From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Dec 1 09:58:01 1994 Message-Id: From: gaw-a@minster.york.ac.uk (Mars Bar) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 09:27:29 +0000 In-Reply-To: P.A.Finn-SE2 -- "Re: your mail" (Nov 30, 3:36pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92 (ORBIT)) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: your mail Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 932 Lines: 22 On Nov 30, 3:36pm in "Re: your mail", Paul warbled: (about imc I think) ] > Typical socialist bollocks. ] ] Keep your tory wank to yourself, this is a SAM list remember? ] As there was a load of socialist bollocks preceding it, I think a little toryism (which the above certainly _isn't_, btw) wasn't too out of place. ] **** ****** ***** ****** ****** --------------------- ] * * * * * * * * * * | paf@cs.bham.ac.uk | ] * * * * * * * **** * **** --------------------- ] * * * * ***** * ***** * ] * * * * * * * * * ] * * * * * * * * * * ] * * * * * * * * * * ] **** ***** ***** ***** ***** PUT YOUR FAITH IN A LOUD GUITAR Keep your rock-fan-8-line-sig wank to yourself. This is a SAM list remember? Geoff From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Dec 1 09:58:02 1994 Message-Id: From: gaw-a@minster.york.ac.uk (Mars Bar) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 09:33:47 +0000 In-Reply-To: Briansam -- "Re: WWW Wranglings..." (Nov 30, 9:21pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92 (ORBIT)) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: WWW Wranglings... Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 341 Lines: 11 On Nov 30, 9:21pm in "Re: WWW Wranglings...", you warbled: ] Shot up about WWW its for non modem users. Probably little to do ] with SAM either. It's not non-modem users at all... slip connection anybody? If you mean you can't afford the time to download all those nasty piccies, try using lynx, which doesn't bother. Geoff From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Dec 1 09:58:57 1994 Message-Id: From: gaw-a@minster.york.ac.uk (Mars Bar) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 09:32:46 +0000 In-Reply-To: P.A.Finn-SE2 -- "Re: your mail" (Nov 30, 5:38pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92 (ORBIT)) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: your mail Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 296 Lines: 9 On Nov 30, 5:38pm in "Re: your mail", you warbled: ] About the sig :- I am a huge KISS fan and I don't give a shit if you ] don't like my siggy, as the KISS tribute album says: ] KISS MY ASS!!! Oh god. Someone tell him what decade this is... Geoff From imc Thu Dec 1 11:05:25 1994 Subject: Re: WWW Wranglings... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 1 Dec 94 11:05:25 GMT In-Reply-To: ; from "Mars Bar" at Dec 1, 94 9:33 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 586 Lines: 14 On Thu, 1 Dec 1994 09:33:47 +0000, Mars Bar said: > If you mean you can't afford the time to download all those nasty > piccies, try using lynx, which doesn't bother. Neither does Mosaic if you tell it not to. BTW, they tell me the BBCNC will soon be 28800-baud-capable... ObSam: I don't suppose anyone has a tool that will convert a mono picture (such as the spaceman) into a perfect mode1 representation? :-) I've tried in a number of ways, but with limited success (and before you ask, it has to be in mode 1 because my brother wants a cool reset screen...). imc From imc Thu Dec 1 11:17:07 1994 Subject: Re: Sample player To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 1 Dec 94 11:17:07 GMT In-Reply-To: ; from "Johnathan Taylor" at Nov 29, 94 9:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 1823 Lines: 40 On 29 Nov 94 21:53:00 +0000, Johnathan Taylor said: > I reckon the 16bit DAC should be done as a seperate interface but that's yet > another box to be added on the end... The 8bit dongle is probably the most > sensible comprimise:-) Yes, I'm not sure whether there's any point in a 16-bit DAC on the Sam (in any case you would then need to play samples at 30 or 40 KHz to make proper use of it and that's pushing it a bit (you certainly couldn't do it with the screen on). But if you do then you might as well do it properly; no point in spoiling it by making it out of a resistor network hack. > I believe that the conventional SAM 4bit sample replay method involves quite a > bit of overheads that the 8bit dongle method doesn't so the replayed sample > rate would be better as well! Perhaps you mean the "ldh,a:rrca:rrca:rrca:rrca:xorh:andl:xorh" that you have to do in order to set the volume on both channels. It's not that much actually, and not every program has to do it. Apart from that I can't see any difference. > I've yet to uudecode imc's sample player and disasemble it Don't you dare... ;-) > to see if it can be > easily adapted to a real DAC port;-) Of course it can. What's the problem? I assume that all you have to do is change the port address (and of course the initialisation, but that's unimportant). > Also recently in the FidoNet BOFFINS echo was a msg describing the .WAV sample > file format I've frozen it so IF anyone want's to experiment with that format > I can post a copy in here:-) Does it have advantages over any other kind? Is it compressed? I often wonder why each machine has a different format (actually, the PC seems to have at least 3 different ones). imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Dec 1 11:25:38 1994 From: "Doore, Daniel [MIS]" To: Sam Users Subject: Spaceman Piccy Date: Thu, 01 Dec 94 11:20:00 PST Message-Id: <2EDE21AC@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 19 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 635 Lines: 19 Quoth the Raven: > ObSam: I don't suppose anyone has a tool that will convert a mono picture > (such as the spaceman) into a perfect mode1 representation? :-) I've tried > in a number of ways, but with limited success (and before you ask, it has to > be in mode 1 because my brother wants a cool reset screen...). Have you tried the mode4->mode1 converter in Sam Paint? I often use this to make disc labels from pictures and it's not too bad. I think it depends on the picture more than the converter as to how well it will come out, trial and error really. BTW, no change of a perfect conversion ;-) Dan. From imc Thu Dec 1 11:32:56 1994 Subject: Re: Spaceman Piccy To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 1 Dec 94 11:32:56 GMT In-Reply-To: <2EDE21AC@courier.lmu.ac.uk>; from "Doore, Daniel [MIS]" at Dec 1, 94 11:20 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 937 Lines: 26 On Thu, 01 Dec 94 11:20:00 PST, Doore, Daniel [MIS] said: > Have you tried the mode4->mode1 converter in Sam Paint? > I often use this to make disc labels from pictures and it's not too bad. Why do you need disk labels in mode 1? :-) Anyway, I haven't got Sam Paint, but I tried the one in Flash and the result was awful. At least when I did it myself I could recognise the result. :-) BTW my picture isn't actually the spaceman; it only uses the same colours. > I think it depends on the picture more than the converter as to how > well it will come out, trial and error really. Yes, I'm sure it does. > BTW, no change of a perfect conversion ;-) Yes there is, but the chance is almost zero unless the picture has been specially prepared. :-) Incidentally I've also tried outputting a black and white dithered bitmap using xv, but it doesn't look too good because the Sam's pixels are too big. imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Dec 1 11:37:09 1994 From: "Doore, Daniel [MIS]" To: Sam Users Subject: RE: Spaceman Piccy Date: Thu, 01 Dec 94 11:30:00 PST Message-Id: <2EDE2428@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 9 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 98 Lines: 9 > BTW, no change of a perfect conversion ;-) Perchance CHANCE. Damn my typing. Dan From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Dec 1 11:40:02 1994 Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 12:34:02 +0100 X400-Originator: cgp@st-andrews.ac.uk X400-Recipients: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/;<331.9412011134@pasta.st-andrews] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: Re: Spaceman ... From: Colin G Piggot Message-Id: <331.9412011134@pasta.st-andrews.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Spaceman Piccy Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 340 Lines: 9 > Have you tried the mode4->mode 1 convertor is Sam Paint? That, in my opinion, isn't that good when it comes to the attributes. Try the 'shade' option in Sampaint, that will generate a 2 colour shaded version of the picture, then use the mode4->mode1 convertor on that as there will be no problems with the attributes. Colin. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Dec 1 11:46:30 1994 From: "Doore, Daniel [MIS]" To: Sam Users Subject: Re: Spaceman Piccy Date: Thu, 01 Dec 94 11:41:00 PST Message-Id: <2EDE26AE@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 18 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 564 Lines: 18 > > Have you tried the mode4->mode 1 convertor is Sam Paint? > > That, in my opinion, isn't that good when it comes to the attributes. > > Try the 'shade' option in Sampaint, that will generate a 2 colour shaded > version of the picture, then use the mode4->mode1 convertor on that as > there will be no problems with the attributes. That's what I was talking about, sorry for being a bit vague. The shade option was what I meant, NOT the converter. I've still got the flu and am in jelly-head mode,like I'm not normally:) Dan. > Colin. > From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Dec 1 11:52:31 1994 From: "Doore, Daniel [MIS]" To: Sam Users Subject: Re: Spaceman Piccy Date: Thu, 01 Dec 94 11:46:00 PST Message-Id: <2EDE27CE@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 19 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 435 Lines: 19 Quoth imc: > Why do you need disk labels in mode 1? :-) They print better on my printer. > Anyway, I haven't got Sam Paint, but I tried the one in Flash and the > result was awful. At least when I did it myself I could recognise the > result. :-) BTW my picture isn't actually the spaceman; it only uses > the same colours. QED. Flash isn't worth the disc its on. Get SamPaint NOW, it *is* worth it. Dan. From imc Thu Dec 1 11:55:11 1994 Subject: Re: Spaceman Piccy To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 1 Dec 94 11:55:11 GMT In-Reply-To: <2EDE27CE@courier.lmu.ac.uk>; from "Doore, Daniel [MIS]" at Dec 1, 94 11:46 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 214 Lines: 10 On Thu, 01 Dec 94 11:46:00 PST, Doore, Daniel [MIS] said: > Flash isn't worth the disc its on. I knew that. > Get SamPaint NOW, it *is* worth it. No point as I'm not an artist and never will be. imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Dec 1 11:57:24 1994 Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 12:50:34 +0100 X400-Originator: cgp@st-andrews.ac.uk X400-Recipients: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/;<950.9412011150@pasta.st-andrews] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: Re: Spaceman ... From: Colin G Piggot Message-Id: <950.9412011150@pasta.st-andrews.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Spaceman Piccy Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 458 Lines: 13 > > Try the 'shade' option .... > Thats what I was talking about, sorry for being a bit vague. > The shade option was what I meant, NOT the converter. > I've still got the flu and am in jelly-head mode, like I'm not normally:) Hmmm... shade can come out quite dark, try lightening the colours, say about 4 or 5 places in the colour scale (ie colours 12 to 15 would all be bright white), then 'shade' may give a better result. > Dan. Colin. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Dec 1 12:02:29 1994 From: P.A.Finn-SE2@computer-science.birmingham.ac.uk Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 12:57:49 +0100 X400-Originator: P.A.Finn-SE2@computer-science.birmingham.ac.uk X400-Recipients: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/;<8900.9412011157@mother.cs.bham.] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: Re: your mail Message-Id: <8900.9412011157@mother.cs.bham.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: your mail Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1086 Lines: 30 >Oh god. Someone tell him what decade this is... >Geoff Sorry????? For your infomation KISS have been running for over 20 years and they are still going strong. People like RATM, Anthrax, Tool... have just paid tribute to them and a new album is comin' out soon. So check your facts before you flame me (their last album hit the top 10, and God gave Rock & Roll To You hit number 4). Why do I get the feeling that you're probably into dance music....... Look out for a KISS demo coming to the SAM soon...... Paul. **** ****** ***** ****** ****** --------------------- * * * * * * * * * * | paf@cs.bham.ac.uk | * * * * * * * **** * **** --------------------- * * * * ***** * ***** * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * **** ***** ***** ***** ***** PUT YOUR FAITH IN A LOUD GUITAR "My balls - they're perfect" - Paul Stanley From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Dec 1 12:02:58 1994 Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 12:57:49 +0100 X400-Originator: cgp@st-andrews.ac.uk X400-Recipients: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/;<1159.9412011157@pasta.st-andrew] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: Re: Spaceman ... From: Colin G Piggot Message-Id: <1159.9412011157@pasta.st-andrews.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Spaceman Piccy Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 275 Lines: 10 > > Get SamPaint NOW, it *is* worth it. > No point as I'm not an artist and never will be. Thats what i thought, couldn't draw anything decent, but SamPaint changed that, it's easy to use, and very powerful, i agree with Dan, it is worth getting. > imc Colin. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Dec 1 13:55:13 1994 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Spaceman Piccy To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 13:48:59 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <331.9412011134@pasta.st-andrews.ac.uk> from "Colin G Piggot" at Dec 1, 94 12:34:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 850 Lines: 19 > > > Have you tried the mode4->mode 1 convertor is Sam Paint? > > That, in my opinion, isn't that good when it comes to the attributes. > > Try the 'shade' option in Sampaint, that will generate a 2 colour shaded > version of the picture, then use the mode4->mode1 convertor on that as > there will be no problems with the attributes. To tell the truth, I'd recommend that you'd run a program to do a bayer dither on the picture, using the respective luminances of the palette colours -- while SAMPaint's shading is okay, it's not "correct" -- ie, Graham stored values for each colour to be replaced with. While there's nothing wrong with that per se, you get better results with a Bayer dither algorithm and even better with say, a Floyd-Steinberg or a Stucki. If you want I can post up the code for the Bayer.. Si Cooke From imc Thu Dec 1 14:41:23 1994 Subject: Re: Spaceman Piccy To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 1 Dec 94 14:41:23 GMT In-Reply-To: ; from "Simon Cooke" at Dec 1, 94 1:48 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 665 Lines: 15 On Thu, 1 Dec 1994 13:48:59 +0000 (GMT), Simon Cooke said: > while SAMPaint's shading is okay, it's not "correct" -- ie, > Graham stored values for each colour to be replaced with. Some time ago I wrote a screen dump program for the Sam which placed the 16 colours in order of luminosity and then assigned shading patterns from a fixed list. Is that what you mean? > you get better results with a Bayer dither > algorithm and even better with say, a Floyd-Steinberg or a Stucki. Well, as I've previously mentioned, I have used xv to save a f-s dithered version, but it didn't look terribly good. imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Dec 1 14:56:17 1994 Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 14:40:54 +0100 Message-Id: <94120114405419@bsvms.staffs.ac.uk> From: cm3hdlt@bs41.staffs.ac.uk (and we must eat the yellow wobbley bits.) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: your mail X-Vms-To: SAM Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 796 Lines: 26 >On Wed, 30 Nov 1994 15:36:04 +0100, P.A.Finn-SE2@computer-science.birmingham.ac.uk said: > > Keep your tory wank to yourself, this is a SAM list remember? > >In case you hadn't noticed, I had already ceased posting articles on the >topic some time ago. Besides, I didn't start it. > >If you are into flames, I suggest that next time you send a 2-line message, >you do not add an 11-line signature and 4 blank lines to the bottom. You have a major problem with people not comforming to your ideas. Who gives a fuck if he had an 11 line sig. Who gives a fuck if I set my pers to something humourous. Oh no! I'm being repressed! Come see the violence inherent in the system!!! > >imc Lord B' P.S I bet you were the one that moaned about Si's extra blank lines? From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Dec 1 14:58:00 1994 Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 14:52:34 +0100 Message-Id: <94120114523466@bsvms.staffs.ac.uk> From: cm3hdlt@bs41.staffs.ac.uk (and we must eat the yellow wobbley bits.) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: your mail X-Vms-To: SAM Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 461 Lines: 16 >On Nov 30, 5:38pm in "Re: your mail", you warbled: >] About the sig :- I am a huge KISS fan and I don't give a shit if you >] don't like my siggy, as the KISS tribute album says: >] KISS MY ASS!!! > >Oh god. Someone tell him what decade this is... It's the 1990's - does that make it wrong for him to express himself? At least he doesn't keep moaning about the SAM goin down the drain? > >Geoff Lord B' From imc Thu Dec 1 15:20:37 1994 Subject: Re: your mail To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 1 Dec 94 15:20:37 GMT In-Reply-To: <94120114405419@bsvms.staffs.ac.uk>; from "and we must eat the yellow wobbley bits." at Dec 1, 94 2:40 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 559 Lines: 15 On Thu, 1 Dec 1994 14:40:54 +0100, someone said: > You have a major problem with people not comforming to your ideas. I don't make the rules. See net.announce.newusers and lots of news posting software for the signature size restriction. If you want me to know who your mail is from, you have got to set your name so some string that identifies you and is preferably shorter than 20 characters because that's all I will see on elm's fromt panel. > P.S I bet you were the one that moaned about Si's extra blank lines? Don't think so. imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Dec 1 15:21:31 1994 From: Frode Tennebo Message-Id: <199412011516.AA20014@ulke.hiMolde.no> Subject: Re: Keyboard membranes To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 16:16:09 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <5324@bgserv.demon.co.uk> from "Brian Gaff Sam Dept." at Nov 30, 94 09:23:11 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 449 Lines: 16 > > No you just throw in a new keyboard and throw away the old > one.... :-) That's not economical and certainly not enviromental friendly! > Brian -- ^ One To-day is Worth Two To-morrows (Ben Franklin) ^ | ....or: One To-morrow is Worth a Quarter of One Yester-day... | | Frode Tennebo | email: frodet@hiMolde.no | | Parkv. 31, 6400 Molde, NORWAY | http://www.hiMolde.no/~frodet | | Phone: +47 712 57716 | Luke@IRC | From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Dec 1 16:39:21 1994 Message-Id: From: gaw-a@minster.york.ac.uk (Mars Bar) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 16:14:29 +0000 In-Reply-To: cm3hdlt -- "Re: your mail" (Dec 1, 2:52pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92 (ORBIT)) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: your mail Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 776 Lines: 23 On Dec 1, 2:52pm in "Re: your mail", Lord B warbled: ] >] About the sig :- I am a huge KISS fan and I don't give a shit if you ] >] don't like my siggy, as the KISS tribute album says: ] >] KISS MY ASS!!! ] > ] >Oh god. Someone tell him what decade this is... ] ] It's the 1990's - does that make it wrong for him to express himself? ] `I am a huge KISS fan and I don't give a shit ... KISS MY ASS!!!' Yeah, right. Anyone mention PUNK recently? Yes, I am into dance music... but I don't scream `FUCK YOU YOU WANKER ROCK MUSIC IS SHITE THE PRODIGY ROOOOOLZ' all over the place. And I don't have an 11 line sig. ] At least he doesn't keep moaning about the SAM goin down the drain? Maybe he doesn't care? Geoff From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Dec 1 17:02:41 1994 Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 16:50:28 +0100 Message-Id: <94120116502873@bsvms.staffs.ac.uk> From: cm3hdlt@bs41.staffs.ac.uk (and we must eat the yellow wobbley bits.) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Vms-To: SAM Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1575 Lines: 44 >On Dec 1, 2:52pm in "Re: your mail", Lord B warbled: >] >] About the sig :- I am a huge KISS fan and I don't give a shit if you >] >] don't like my siggy, as the KISS tribute album says: >] >] KISS MY ASS!!! >] > >] >Oh god. Someone tell him what decade this is... >] >] It's the 1990's - does that make it wrong for him to express himself? >] >`I am a huge KISS fan and I don't give a shit ... KISS MY ASS!!!' > >Yeah, right. Anyone mention PUNK recently? Are you saying punk is dead? If so... Punk is coming back in (in a sort of new form). Warrior Soul have a punk influence. >Yes, I am into dance music... but I don't scream >`FUCK YOU YOU WANKER ROCK MUSIC IS SHITE THE PRODIGY ROOOOOLZ' >all over the place. And I don't have an 11 line sig. Yes you do - you just did. I do think you must have misread something. I didn't see one mention of dance music is shit. All he said was "I bet you like dance music". He didn't condone it?! And like I said earlier - who cares if he has an 11 line sig. It really makes no difference. Like my pers - I don't care if, when using elm you can't see who it's from. If you read the message you will know. >] At least he doesn't keep moaning about the SAM goin down the drain? > >Maybe he doesn't care? Maybe he does? I seem to recall you moaning incesently about design faults here, and problems with lack of software etc. I know it's dead (as far as the general public are concerned), but it's a great enthusiasts machine. >Geoff Lord B' From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Dec 1 17:26:19 1994 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Spaceman Piccy To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 17:22:55 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <9412011441.AA01364@booth5.ecs.ox.ac.uk> from "Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk" at Dec 1, 94 03:41:23 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1360 Lines: 29 > > On Thu, 1 Dec 1994 13:48:59 +0000 (GMT), Simon Cooke said: > > while SAMPaint's shading is okay, it's not "correct" -- ie, > > Graham stored values for each colour to be replaced with. > > Some time ago I wrote a screen dump program for the Sam which placed the > 16 colours in order of luminosity and then assigned shading patterns > from a fixed list. Is that what you mean? Sort of... the Bayer filter table looks something like an 8x8 grid, filled with numbers from 1 to 63, only one of each of these numbers occuring in the grid. You compare the luminosity (max 63, min 0) of your pixel, using your x coord MOD 8 and your y coord MOD 8 as the offset into the grid, and if the luminance is higher than the value in the grid, you put a white pixel, and if it's lower you put a black pixel... I imagine you can do it using tables, but this way's better -- takes up less space, and you don't really need speed for this kind of thing. > > you get better results with a Bayer dither > > algorithm and even better with say, a Floyd-Steinberg or a Stucki. > > Well, as I've previously mentioned, I have used xv to save a f-s dithered > version, but it didn't look terribly good. In that case, try a Bayer... It'd also be under "non-error diffusion dithering" I suppose ;) Si From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Dec 1 17:32:38 1994 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: FLAME WARS! To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 17:25:59 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 438 Lines: 10 Like, can everyone bury their hatchets please? I don't think Brian or Jonathan are happy with us filling their systems with all this unrelated crap. The problem is that they have to pay for their feed (in the form of phone calls etc), so let's chill out. Btw: owner of the KISS sig... please can you leave it off, or draw a smaller one, to save Bri and Jon's bills? Just a request, mind. Si Cooke (Head of projects, Entropy) From imc Thu Dec 1 17:36:35 1994 Subject: Re: Spaceman Piccy To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 1 Dec 94 17:36:35 GMT In-Reply-To: ; from "Simon Cooke" at Dec 1, 94 5:22 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 865 Lines: 20 On Thu, 1 Dec 1994 17:22:55 +0000 (GMT), Simon Cooke said: > > > > On Thu, 1 Dec 1994 13:48:59 +0000 (GMT), Simon Cooke said: > > > while SAMPaint's shading is okay, it's not "correct" -- ie, > > > Graham stored values for each colour to be replaced with. > > Some time ago I wrote a screen dump program for the Sam which placed the > > 16 colours in order of luminosity and then assigned shading patterns > > from a fixed list. Is that what you mean? > Sort of... the Bayer filter table looks something like an 8x8 grid, What I described sounds nothing like the Bayer, if that's what you meant. On the other hand, you might have meant that what I described sounds "sort of" like SAMPaint - which is what I wanted to know. Which is it? Or did you mean that SAMPaint doesn't even sort the colours in order of luminosity? imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Dec 1 17:46:00 1994 Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 17:39:29 +0100 Message-Id: <94120117392956@bsvms.staffs.ac.uk> From: cm3hdlt@bs41.staffs.ac.uk (and we must eat the yellow wobbley bits.) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: FLAME WARS! X-Vms-To: SAM Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 617 Lines: 18 >Like, can everyone bury their hatchets please? I don't think Brian or >Jonathan are happy with us filling their systems with all this unrelated >crap. The problem is that they have to pay for their feed (in the form of >phone calls etc), so let's chill out. > Nice one Si - always the diplomat. Right then nuff said - I will let the matter drop. I think I am just a bit tense (assignments, and all) - I shut up now. >Btw: owner of the KISS sig... please can you leave it off, or draw a smaller >one, to save Bri and Jon's bills? Just a request, mind. > >Si Cooke >(Head of projects, Entropy) From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Dec 1 17:56:39 1994 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Spaceman Piccy To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 17:52:16 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <9412011736.AA06969@booth5.ecs.ox.ac.uk> from "Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk" at Dec 1, 94 06:36:36 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 671 Lines: 17 > > On Thu, 1 Dec 1994 17:22:55 +0000 (GMT), Simon Cooke said: > What I described sounds nothing like the Bayer, if that's what you meant. > On the other hand, you might have meant that what I described sounds "sort > of" like SAMPaint - which is what I wanted to know. Which is it? No, yours does sound like the bayer-- if your patterns were all based on the bayer "algorithm", that is... > Or did you mean that SAMPaint doesn't even sort the colours in order of > luminosity? It's not so much that as the fact that it shades using things like zigzag lines, grid patterns, horizontal bars, vertical bars... not so much stipple as embroidery. Si From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Dec 1 17:57:20 1994 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: FLAME WARS! To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 17:54:10 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <94120117392956@bsvms.staffs.ac.uk> from "and we must eat the yellow wobbley bits." at Dec 1, 94 05:39:29 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 307 Lines: 12 > Nice one Si - always the diplomat. > Right then nuff said - I will let the matter drop. Thanks luke... I may try to be always the diplomat, but I think I've really buggered up with Ian's Bruvver... :( > I think I am just a bit tense (assignments, and all) - I shut up now. *grins* Simon From imc Thu Dec 1 18:17:50 1994 Subject: Re: Spaceman Piccy To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 1 Dec 94 18:17:50 GMT In-Reply-To: ; from "Simon Cooke" at Dec 1, 94 5:52 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 1870 Lines: 36 On Thu, 1 Dec 1994 17:52:16 +0000 (GMT), Simon Cooke said: > No, yours does sound like the bayer-- if your patterns were all based on the > bayer "algorithm", that is... Well no I sort of designed them. Maybe they are similar. I tried to arrange n dots within a 4x8 rectangle as evenly as possible for n=0 to 32 step 2 (that gives 17 patterns. I can't remember whether the extra one is used[1]). More or less the same patterns can be found in xz80 when the screen is half-toned. > > Or did you mean that SAMPaint doesn't even sort the colours in order of > > luminosity? > It's not so much that as the fact that it shades using things like zigzag > lines, grid patterns, horizontal bars, vertical bars... not so much stipple > as embroidery. I know what you mean. I tried to avoid that as much as possible, but it's difficult to avoid a certain amount of striping. (well, does it sort them or not? :-) ) (perhaps my screendump utility has a use after all... does anyone want one? Only problem is that for the large dumps it prints 576 by 768 single-density dots, and whereas my old "simpleton (no double density graphics)" printer could fit 576 dots on a line, my brother's new one can't without squashing it slightly) imc [1] Under normal circumstances, only 15 patterns are needed because one colour is duplicated (inks 0 and 8). This means either that black isn't black, or that white isn't white, or that for some n, the pattern for ink n differs from that for ink n+1 by more than the average. The program contains logic to choose n so that the luminosity for ink n also differs from that for ink n+1 by more than the average. The same logic is also used to choose 4 patterns from the available set for a mode 3 dump. This could easily be extended to make use of the 17th pattern. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Dec 1 18:24:11 1994 From: "Doore, Daniel [MIS]" To: sam-users Subject: Re: Spaceman Piccy Date: Thu, 01 Dec 94 14:07:00 PST Message-Id: <2EDE83A7@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 25 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 903 Lines: 25 > To tell the truth, I'd recommend that you'd run a program to do a bayer > dither on the picture, using the respective luminances of the palette > colours -- while SAMPaint's shading is okay, it's not "correct" -- ie, > Graham stored values for each colour to be replaced with. While there's > nothing wrong with that per se, you get better results with a Bayer dither > algorithm and even better with say, a Floyd-Steinberg or a Stucki. F/S Dither is the best of these, (I once did tests) though you will probably need to export it to HamLab (Amiga), GWS (PC) or something else similar to do it. > If you want I can post up the code for the Bayer.. What *would* be nice is a file converter (BMP maybe) that could dither 256 colour bitmaps into 16 col, 2 col or greyscales as it would save all that pratting abount in PaintShop Pro. Oh well *sigh* Dan. > Si Cooke > From imc Thu Dec 1 18:30:18 1994 Subject: Re: Spaceman Piccy To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 1 Dec 94 18:30:18 GMT In-Reply-To: <2EDE83A7@courier.lmu.ac.uk>; from "Doore, Daniel [MIS]" at Dec 1, 94 2:07 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 701 Lines: 19 On Thu, 01 Dec 94 14:07:00 PST, Doore, Daniel [MIS] said: > What *would* be nice is a file converter (BMP maybe) that could dither > 256 colour bitmaps into 16 col, 2 col or greyscales as it would save all > that pratting abount in PaintShop Pro. I use the PBM utils. The only problem with that is it can do 1. automatically choose n colours and dither 2. dither using colours that you choose but it _can't_ do 3. automatically choose n colours from the ones you specify and dither. which is annoying. You can make greyscales though, because there are only 14 "grey" colours, and I've written a program to convert XPM images into Sam mode 4 images (and vice versa). imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Dec 1 18:38:08 1994 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Spaceman Piccy To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 18:34:22 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <2EDE83A7@courier.lmu.ac.uk> from "Doore, Daniel [MIS]" at Dec 1, 94 02:07:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 935 Lines: 24 > F/S Dither is the best of these, (I once did tests) though you will probably > need to export it to HamLab (Amiga), GWS (PC) or something else similar > to do it. Yeah, but for speed, bayer's okay. Also, sometimes it looks better to use Bayer than F-S -- depends on the resolution... > > If you want I can post up the code for the Bayer.. > > What *would* be nice is a file converter (BMP maybe) that could dither > 256 colour bitmaps into 16 col, 2 col or greyscales as it would save all > that pratting abount in PaintShop Pro. I wish I could, but I don't know how to do the Histogram stuff involved (yet), and last time I looked it needed a 128k table or so... Still... that was for general purpose 24k colour bitmaps, so I'll look into it more... I've got one that takes 256 colours down to bayer dithered 8 colour pictures made up out of speccy colours... Looks good from a distance too... Simon From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Dec 2 06:14:18 1994 Date: Thu, 01 Dec 1994 21:12:24 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <5393@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: your mail X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 72 Lines: 7 Does HITLER work on here? Brian :-) -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Dec 2 06:14:19 1994 Date: Fri, 02 Dec 1994 05:52:57 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <5395@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: your mail X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 153 Lines: 8 Could we possibly stop acting like spoilt chilren in here? Anyway... I forgot what we were talking about now! Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Dec 2 06:14:36 1994 Date: Fri, 02 Dec 1994 05:55:51 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <5396@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Keyboard membranes X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 773 Lines: 23 In message <199412011516.AA20014@ulke.hiMolde.no> Frode Tennebo writes: > > > > No you just throw in a new keyboard and throw away the old > > one.... :-) > > That's not economical and certainly not enviromental friendly! > > > Brian > When you have been around a while, yopu will know that though you speak the truth, when its a toss up between profit and the environment, profit always wins. Why do you think the world is in the mess it is? Surely if NO membranes exist on theor own asking for a membranes creates as much useless junk at Bobs end as getting a new keyboard does at yours. Also, the membrane would cost more as Bob would spend time dismantling a keyboard! Economics in a nutshell Enterprises In! :-) -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Dec 2 06:14:54 1994 Date: Fri, 02 Dec 1994 06:01:29 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <5397@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: your mail X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 463 Lines: 14 But why does the mail system of some posters here insist on adding umpteen lines with X400 gobbledygook on them? I reckon and site like that shoule be encouraged to find a way to stop wasting bandwidth! Anyway, back to Sam. I was talking to someone with SC Filer the other day, and he mentioned the green screen crash you get in that software. S.N. seems to think its hardware not his program. Can anyone comment? Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Dec 2 07:14:25 1994 From: Johnathan Taylor Date: 01 Dec 94 22:15:17 +0000 Subject: Sample player Message-Id: <667_9412020709@centron.com> Organization: CC-NET BBS To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 3851 Lines: 85 On (01 Dec 94) Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk wrote... > Yes, I'm not sure whether there's any point in a 16-bit DAC on the Sam > (in any case you would then need to play samples at 30 or 40 KHz to make > proper use of it and that's pushing it a bit (you certainly couldn't do it > with the screen on). But if you do then you might as well do it properly; > no point in spoiling it by making it out of a resistor network hack. Just because 16bit samples are used doesn't mean we'd HAVE to replay at the full replay rate! Every other sample would be adequate:) It's just one of those interfaces that *could* be done but I doubt weither there's any real point to doing it:-) >> I believe that the conventional SAM 4bit sample replay method involves >> quite a bit of overheads that the 8bit dongle method doesn't so the >> replayed sample rate would be better as well! > Perhaps you mean the "ldh,a:rrca:rrca:rrca:rrca:xorh:andl:xorh" that > you have to do in order to set the volume on both channels. It's not that > much actually, and not every program has to do it. Apart from that I can't > see any difference. Well you should compress the 16 or 8 bits into 4bits not just chop of the lsb's as the higher resolution samples might not be sampled at a high enough level and thus chopping off the lower bits without regard to the range of values present in the sample can effectivly result in less than 4bit resolution in the replayed sample data! and of course talking the sound chip into emulating a DAC *MUST* require more z80 processing time than a single OUT to a latch, though I could be wrong as I've yet to see how it's done yet;-) >> I've yet to uudecode imc's sample player and disasemble it > Don't you dare... ;-) GRIN, I will eventually, I presume you will want me to keep my opinions to myself when I finally get around to it;-) >> to see if it can be easily adapted to a real DAC port;-) > Of course it can. What's the problem? I assume that all you have to No idea what the problems are, YET. As yet I've not examined any sound-chip pseudo-DAC code;-) >> Also recently in the FidoNet BOFFINS echo was a msg describing the .WAV >> sample file format I've frozen it so IF anyone want's to experiment with >> that format I can post a copy in here:-) > Does it have advantages over any other kind? Is it compressed? I often None that I know of except it's better than RAW sample files, no compression either... > wonder why each machine has a different format (actually, the PC seems to > have at least 3 different ones). The reason for different Sample envelope formats is exactly the same as for different archive envelope formats and all the other things which all do the same job in an incompatable way... MONEY. In order to write and SELL a software package without having to pay royalties to some obscure writer elsewhere, to be able to use a compatable method, you have to design your own mutually exclusive method:-( The only reason to write these various sample players is to play existing samples on the sam, I presume you chose sun .au samples because you have access to a large quantity of that particular type... others may have a multitude of .WAV samples and others yet a different type! Eventually someone will sit down and combine all these players into a single semi-intelligent player that'll auto-identify the sample format and play it correctly regardless. That sort of util would be the package to sell with any DAC dongle made for the sam IMHO;-) Regards Johnathan.  ... Pretend to spank me... I'm a pseudo masochist! -- |Fidonet: Johnathan Taylor 2:2501/307.9 |Internet: jet@centron.com | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Dec 2 11:55:40 1994 Message-Id: From: gaw-a@minster.york.ac.uk (Mars Bar) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 11:38:38 +0000 In-Reply-To: Briansam -- "Re: your mail" (Dec 2, 6:01am) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92 (ORBIT)) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: your mail Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1007 Lines: 25 On Dec 2, 6:01am in "Re: your mail", you warbled: ] But why does the mail system of some posters here insist on ] adding umpteen lines with X400 gobbledygook on them? I reckon ] any site like that shoule be encouraged to find a way to stop ] wasting bandwidth! It's funny... the only mail I get (send?) that ends up like that is from the mailing list... ] Anyway, back to Sam. I was talking to someone with SC Filer the ] other day, and he mentioned the green screen crash you get in ] that software. S.N. seems to think its hardware not his program. ] Can anyone comment? Green screen is easy. The `extra bits' for the colour set in mode 3 are being changed. Can't remember offhand, cos it's a long time ago (:)) but I think they're a couple of bits of OUT (251)... bits 5&6? As to why it crashes... usually when I get that it's cos I screwed up with paging. No idea otherwise, cos I've never used any SC_stuff. Sorry. Cheers (and sorry for being a spoilt child...) Geoff From imc Fri Dec 2 12:37:54 1994 Subject: Re: Sample player To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 2 Dec 94 12:37:54 GMT In-Reply-To: <667_9412020709@centron.com>; from "Johnathan Taylor" at Dec 1, 94 10:15 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 3423 Lines: 79 On 01 Dec 94 22:15:17 +0000, Johnathan Taylor said: > > Perhaps you mean the "ldh,a:rrca:rrca:rrca:rrca:xorh:andl:xorh" that > > you have to do in order to set the volume on both channels. It's not that > > much actually, and not every program has to do it. Apart from that I can't > > see any difference. > Well you should compress the 16 or 8 bits into 4bits not just chop of the > lsb's It depends on what the sample is. I was referring to samples that have already been compressed and stored as 2 4-bit samples per byte. In that case there's not much overhead when playing 4-bit samples compared to playing 8-bit samples. > and of course talking the sound chip > into emulating a DAC *MUST* require more z80 processing time than a single OUT > to a latch, though I could be wrong as I've yet to see how it's done yet;-) You are wrong. A single OUT is all it takes. As it's not a very well-kept secret I might as well explain... The sound chip has two channels which look a bit like this (the other four don't have an envelope generator): +----------+ [1] +----------+ +--------+ | tone |__/___>___| envelope |__>__| volume |_____> (to output) | generator| | | generator| | control| +----------+ /[2] +----------+ +--------+ ^ | | +----------+ | ^ ^ | noise |____+_... | | | generator| [3] [4] +----------+ [1] Tone enable switch (bit 2 or 5 of register 20) [2] Noise enable switch (bit 2 or 5 of register 21) [3] Envelope enable and type (register 24 or 25) [4] Volume level (register 2 or 5; bits 0-3 left channel, bits 4-7 right). By a freak of nature, if you turn the tone and noise both off, you can get the envelope generator to produce a constant high voltage level (did they design this in or was it an accident?). Therefore, by altering the volume register you can output any voltage level you like. It only takes one OUT instruction to do this. > >> I've yet to uudecode imc's sample player and disasemble it > > Don't you dare... ;-) > GRIN, I will eventually, I presume you will want me to keep my opinions to > myself when I finally get around to it;-) Weeelll... :-) If it gets released somewhere (such as on FRED) it will become public knowledge to a certain extent, so you can do more or less anything after that (except sell a verbatim copy of the code and claim you wrote it, and similar things that I'm sure you would never dream of...) However, I dare say there's nothing terribly new in it... [about WAV] > > Does it have advantages over any other kind? Is it compressed? I often > None that I know of except it's better than RAW sample files, no compression > either... Why is it better than RAW if it isn't compressed? Is it just an envelope containing raw data? As you can see, I know nothing about any format except for .au files. > The only reason to write these various sample players is to play existing > samples on the sam, I presume you chose sun .au samples because you have > access to a large quantity of that particular type... Correct (but it's also because I have the docs on that format, seeing as I'm sitting in front of a Sun workstation). imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Dec 2 15:08:35 1994 From: P.A.Finn-SE2@computer-science.birmingham.ac.uk Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 16:02:28 +0100 X400-Originator: P.A.Finn-SE2@computer-science.birmingham.ac.uk X400-Recipients: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/;<5722.9412021502@mother.cs.bham.] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: Re: your mail Message-Id: <5722.9412021502@mother.cs.bham.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: your mail Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1316 Lines: 36 >And I don't have an 11 line sig. >`I am a huge KISS fan and I don't give a shit ... KISS MY ASS!!!' >Yeah, right. Anyone mention PUNK recently? >] At least he doesn't keep moaning about the SAM goin down the drain? >Maybe he doesn't care? For god sake, don't you ever give up? For the last time, I stand up for what I believe in and I couldn't care less what the hell people like you think. I am a KISS fan ok, nothing that you or anybody else, say will change that. The 'KISS MY ASS' bit was a pun (it's the title of the recent tribute album). Just leave me alone to listen to what I want to ok?? By the way can you count??? My .sig is 8 lines long not 11!! And yes, I do care alot about what happens to the SAM, I was there right in the beginning and I'm still here now. Paul. **** ****** ***** ****** ****** --------------------- * * * * * * * * * * | paf@cs.bham.ac.uk | * * * * * * * **** * **** --------------------- * * * * ***** * ***** * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * **** ***** ***** ***** ***** PUT YOUR FAITH IN A LOUD GUITAR From imc Fri Dec 2 15:15:52 1994 Subject: Re: your mail To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 2 Dec 94 15:15:52 GMT In-Reply-To: <5722.9412021502@mother.cs.bham.ac.uk>; from "P.A.Finn-SE2@computer-science.birmingham.ac.uk" at Dec 2, 94 4:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 1230 Lines: 30 On Fri, 2 Dec 1994 16:02:28 +0100, P.A.Finn-SE2@computer-science.birmingham.ac.uk said: > By the way can you count??? My .sig is 8 lines long not 11!! > Paul. > > > **** ****** ***** ****** ****** --------------------- > * * * * * * * * * * | paf@cs.bham.ac.uk | > * * * * * * * **** * **** --------------------- > * * * * ***** * ***** * > * * * * * * * * * > * * * * * * * * * * > * * * * * * * * * * > **** ***** ***** ***** ***** PUT YOUR FAITH IN A LOUD GUITAR Looks like 11 to me... (that takes up half the screen if you are reading this on a Sam!). imc ______ __________ | | ______ ______ _____ \ | | |/ // // / \ __| | // // / __\ \ | (( ~ / | \ | \\ / |__________\ |______|\_____\\ / /______/ (oops, how did that get in?...) From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Dec 2 15:46:41 1994 From: P.A.Finn-SE2@computer-science.birmingham.ac.uk Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 16:21:46 +0100 X400-Originator: P.A.Finn-SE2@computer-science.birmingham.ac.uk X400-Recipients: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/;<7287.9412021521@mother.cs.bham.] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: Re: Your mail Message-Id: <7287.9412021521@mother.cs.bham.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Your mail Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 104 Lines: 3 Sorry Brian, I just had to give my opinion (I was VERY angry). Paul. (.sig removed for Bri's sake) From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Dec 2 15:48:58 1994 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Parallel Port Dac Date: Fri, 2 Dec 94 16:38:39 CET From: Arne Di Russo Message-Id: <9412021638.aa16240@ax433.mclink.it> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 3542 Lines: 79 Hi! Here is a circuit scheme for a parallel port DAC converter. I don't remember where I got it from and I haven't tested it but I think it should work. I have a very similar one which was sold at the newsagents for 2 quids together with the first number of a multimedia language course. Bye, Arne P.S: I hope the circuits are understandable, I had to convert them from the PC grafics charset to normal ASCII... ------------------------------cut here-------------------------- This is the most basic D/A converter. Just a bunch of resistors. So that's about compatibility. It is commonly known as COVOX, tough COVOX is really a DAC&ADC card, but as D/A converter is configured to printer port addresses, simple resistor network can do the job. This is schematics to build the COVOX compatible D/A converter into printer port. It's using the well-known R-2R ladder method to convert TTL outputs into analog signal. Resistor values are not important, any pair will actually do as long as one is two times less than another. However, with 15k and 7.5k the output voltage is just right to feed into audio equipment for amplifying. Filtering is a problem due the power requirements of active filters, but my experiments have shown, that a simple capacitor will do the job good enough. Electrolytic capacitor is not a must, but you may add it if you're afraid for you HiFi equipment. In such case don't forget the resistor after capacitor. ( I'm using this converter without these two and works fine ). On faster AT computer clones I've encountered unfilterable noise in printer port, it's probably caused by fast transitions on motherboard. In such case put the wire 4-5 times through small ferro ring. All resistors will easily fit into D25 socket, so if you have cable with socket which can be opened you can build this converter parallel to your printer and leave the printer attached. PRINTER PORT -----, + - ANALOG OUT | 15k ,---------------------+-||-----, ,-------> 9 |--#####--+--#####-,7.5k | 5.0F | | | 15k ,--------' | ###<-' 8 |--#####--+--#####-,7.5k === ### | 15k ,--------' | 4700pF | 100K 7 |--#####--+--#####-,7.5k | | | 15k ,--------' _|_ _|_ 6 |--#####--+--#####-,7.5k | 15k ,--------' 5 |--#####--+--#####-,7.5k | 15k ,--------' 4 |--#####--+--#####-,7.5k | 15k ,--------' 3 |--#####--+--#####-,7.5k | 15k | 2 |--#####---+-------' | ### | ###15k 18 |----------|--------------------------------------> GND -----' _|_ AdLib is based on single chip called FM Operator Type-LII (OPLII). OPLII is capable of voicing 9 FM sounds or 6 melody sounds plus 5 rhythm sounds. SoundBlaster has additional C/MS music chip (12 voices) and DAC/ADC subsystem. DAC can do DMA transfers. ------------------------------------cut here----------------- +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | Arne Di Russo Internet..: mc8189@mclink.it (changes after 14/1/95) | | Rome, Italy Fidonet...: 2:335/311.55 and 2:335/21.55 | |=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=| | Computer Science student at "La Sapienza" University, Rome, Italy | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Dec 2 15:54:21 1994 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 15:48:19 +0100 Message-Id: <94120215481967@bsvms.staffs.ac.uk> From: cm3hdlt@bs41.staffs.ac.uk (and we must eat the yellow wobbley bits.) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Vms-To: SAM Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 362 Lines: 13 >Looks like 11 to me... (that takes up half the screen if you are reading >this on a Sam!). > >imc > Look, come on. Let the matter drop. Like Si think of the guys who have to pay money for this. So lets do what Brain said, and stop behaving like little sprogs. You see, Si - I can be a diplomat too. Lord Blackadder From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Dec 2 15:56:13 1994 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 15:51:17 +0100 Message-Id: <94120215511782@bsvms.staffs.ac.uk> From: cm3hdlt@bs41.staffs.ac.uk (and we must eat the yellow wobbley bits.) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Vms-To: SAM Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 136 Lines: 9 >Sorry Brian, I just had to give my opinion (I was VERY angry). > >Paul. (.sig removed for Bri's sake) Well done. Lord B' From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Dec 2 17:50:38 1994 From: Frode Tennebo Message-Id: <199412021747.AA06766@ulke.hiMolde.no> Subject: Re: your mail To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 18:47:09 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <5395@bgserv.demon.co.uk> from "Brian Gaff Sam Dept." at Dec 2, 94 05:52:57 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 521 Lines: 21 > > Could we possibly stop acting like spoilt chilren in here? Acting????? > > Anyway... I forgot what we were talking about now! Hmmm..I think it was somthing to do with a certain S.. computer..... > > Brian > -- ^ One To-day is Worth Two To-morrows (Ben Franklin) ^ | ....or: One To-morrow is Worth a Quarter of One Yester-day... | | Frode Tennebo | email: frodet@hiMolde.no | | Parkv. 31, 6400 Molde, NORWAY | http://www.hiMolde.no/~frodet | | Phone: +47 712 57716 | Luke@IRC | From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sat Dec 3 09:44:11 1994 From: Johnathan Taylor Date: 03 Dec 94 05:20:01 +0000 Subject: FLAME WARS! Message-Id: <2e2_9412030738@centron.com> Organization: CC-NET BBS To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 624 Lines: 23 On (01 Dec 94) simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk wrote... Reference: > From: Simon Cooke > Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 17:25:59 +0000 (GMT) Thanks Si! I Didn't say anything myself to aviod being drawn into these non-sam time&money wasting threads:-( This posted to the list to back-up Si's considerate request for order in here:-) 'nuff said! jet  ... I think, therefore I am.... NOT a Conservative. -- |Fidonet: Johnathan Taylor 2:2501/307.9 |Internet: jet@centron.com | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sat Dec 3 11:24:50 1994 From: Frode Tennebo Message-Id: <199412031057.AA12875@ulke.hiMolde.no> Subject: Re: Keyboard membranes To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 3 Dec 1994 11:57:06 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <5396@bgserv.demon.co.uk> from "Brian Gaff Sam Dept." at Dec 2, 94 05:55:51 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Original-Sender: owner-sam-users@no.unit.nvg Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1399 Lines: 37 > When you have been around a while, yopu will know that though > you speak the truth, when its a toss up between profit and the > environment, profit always wins. Why do you think the world is > in the mess it is? > > Surely if NO membranes exist on theor own asking for a membranes > creates as much useless junk at Bobs end as getting a new > keyboard does at yours. Also, the membrane would cost more as > Bob would spend time dismantling a keyboard! One shouldn't have to dismantle a keyboard to get a membrane. Membranes should be produced in about 5 times the amount of keyboards as a keyboard is certain to outlive a membrane by at least a factor of 5. I refuse to buy a L12 keyboard when a membrane would cost L3! Besides, I have already bought a L12 keyboard and the membrane was broken from factory! Why is it that Bob is so reluctant of giving service when it's clear that the service he FINALLY offers CAN be of very high quality? > > Economics in a nutshell Enterprises In! :-) I know - I know. I AM a god damn economist myself. :) > Brian Gaff Sam Dept. > -- ^ One To-day is Worth Two To-morrows (Ben Franklin) ^ | ....or: One To-morrow is Worth a Quarter of One Yester-day... | | Frode Tennebo | email: frodet@hiMolde.no | | Parkv. 31, 6400 Molde, NORWAY | http://www.hiMolde.no/~frodet | | Phone: +47 712 57716 | Luke@IRC | From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Dec 5 06:32:10 1994 Date: Sun, 04 Dec 1994 18:59:12 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <5421@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: your mail X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 959 Lines: 27 In message <5722.9412021502@mother.cs.bham.ac.uk> P.A.Finn-SE2@computer-science.birmingham.ac.uk writes: > >And I don't have an 11 line sig. > > > For god sake, don't you ever give up? For the last time, I stand up for > what I believe in and I couldn't care less what the hell people like > you think. I am a KISS fan ok, nothing that you or anybody else, say > will change that. The 'KISS MY ASS' bit was a pun (it's the title of > the recent tribute album). Just leave me alone to listen to what I > want to ok?? I don't xare what you listen to, I think the main complaint was on behalf of folk like me who pick up stiff via the phone. Just think if everyonr started having big sig lines. > > By the way can you count??? My .sig is 8 lines long not 11!! > > And yes, I do care alot about what happens to the SAM, I was there > right in the beginning and I'm still here now. So am I. > > Paul. -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Dec 5 09:23:38 1994 Date: Mon, 05 Dec 1994 08:49:42 GMT From: "Brian Gaff Sam Dept." Message-Id: <5441@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Keyboard membranes X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 454 Lines: 13 Its not Bob its the facts! No new keyboards, we are working from original MGT stock. The manufactureres did not make extra membranes. Unless you want to sponser a run of at least a couple of thousand, no more will ever be made. Its the same problem with ALL the various Spectrum keyboards and spares. So its no good complaining about what SHOULD have happened. You cannot turn bacj time... mores the pity! Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From imc Mon Dec 5 11:39:06 1994 Subject: Re: FLAME WARS! To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 5 Dec 94 11:39:06 GMT In-Reply-To: ; from "Simon Cooke" at Dec 1, 94 5:54 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 549 Lines: 15 On Thu, 1 Dec 1994 17:54:10 +0000 (GMT), Simon Cooke said: > > Nice one Si - always the diplomat. > I may try to be always the diplomat, but I think I've really buggered up > with Ian's Bruvver... :( Which is a shame because I haven't read any of the letters that have zipped back and forth... ;-) Actually he tells me that you have claimed his "Illusion" logo is an infringement of your (yet to be registered) trade mark, which (as an impartial observer) I can say is complete tosh. That wasn't very diplomatic was it?... imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Dec 5 12:31:28 1994 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: FLAME WARS! To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 12:22:09 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <9412051139.AA00680@booth5.ecs.ox.ac.uk> from "Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk" at Dec 5, 94 12:39:06 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1231 Lines: 27 > Which is a shame because I haven't read any of the letters that have > zipped back and forth... ;-) Believe me.. you wouldn't believe them... > Actually he tells me that you have claimed his "Illusion" logo is an > infringement of your (yet to be registered) trade mark, which (as an > impartial observer) I can say is complete tosh. That wasn't very > diplomatic was it?... Nope, but there's two things about that... 1) You have to claim a trademark and advertise it etc for a year before you can register it -- it's the way it's done. Then at five year intervals you have to show that you're still using it as a trademark... 2) It was a deliberate shot at him, because I was just really annoyed at the way he'd assumed that I'd rip off all his code and release the next amazing Cookie demo looking suspiciously like his. I just didn't like what he was inferring, so I decided to hit back with a few cheap shots of my own. Besides, I'm writing back to him soon to /try/ and smooth it all over. I don't think I'll manage it, but I can try. I don't want a war, but I didn't like his attitude at the time. I'm gonna send him a load of documented source code to see if he can use it at all. Si From imc Mon Dec 5 12:41:53 1994 Subject: Re: FLAME WARS! To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 5 Dec 94 12:41:53 GMT In-Reply-To: ; from "Simon Cooke" at Dec 5, 94 12:22 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 256 Lines: 14 On Mon, 5 Dec 1994 12:22:09 +0000 (GMT), Simon Cooke said: > 2) It was a deliberate shot at him, Fair enough... imc PS I'm thinking of setting up a company called _ >_ Sigma. Is that alright? :-) PPS Not. (just in case...) From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Dec 5 12:43:26 1994 From: "Doore, Daniel [MIS]" To: Sam Users Subject: Re: Logo Wars! Date: Mon, 05 Dec 94 12:37:00 PST Message-Id: <2EE379B7@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 16 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 674 Lines: 16 > Actually he tells me that you have claimed his "Illusion" logo is an > infringement of your (yet to be registered) trade mark, which (as an > impartial observer) I can say is complete tosh. That wasn't very > diplomatic was it?... Fairs fair though, the Illusion logo does bear more the a passing resemblance to the Entropy one (even if the claim was just a cheap shot) and how would anyone like their trademark/name being ripped off/borrowed? God forbid if the 'Banzai' logo was borrowed, It will shock and surprise, but there are four years of my life embedded in what that stands for and I would fight like a bastard if anyone stole it. Dan Doore From imc Mon Dec 5 12:47:01 1994 Subject: Re: Logo Wars! To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 5 Dec 94 12:47:01 GMT In-Reply-To: <2EE379B7@courier.lmu.ac.uk>; from "Doore, Daniel [MIS]" at Dec 5, 94 12:37 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 238 Lines: 9 On Mon, 05 Dec 94 12:37:00 PST, Doore, Daniel [MIS] said: > Fairs fair though, the Illusion logo does bear more the a passing > resemblance to the Entropy one I disagree... imc PS besides which, Illusion can claim prior art. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Dec 5 13:03:22 1994 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Logo Wars! To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 12:54:18 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <9412051247.AA02489@booth5.ecs.ox.ac.uk> from "Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk" at Dec 5, 94 01:47:01 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 432 Lines: 16 > On Mon, 05 Dec 94 12:37:00 PST, Doore, Daniel [MIS] said: > > Fairs fair though, the Illusion logo does bear more the a passing > > resemblance to the Entropy one > > I disagree... I dunno -- it looks like the Entropy one, which has been reflected along the X axis half-way down. > imc > > PS besides which, Illusion can claim prior art. Possibly true -- if you ignore the stuff we did on the Amiga ;) Si From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Dec 5 13:03:28 1994 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: FLAME WARS! To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 12:52:55 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <9412051241.AA02282@booth5.ecs.ox.ac.uk> from "Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk" at Dec 5, 94 01:41:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1068 Lines: 37 > > On Mon, 5 Dec 1994 12:22:09 +0000 (GMT), Simon Cooke said: > > 2) It was a deliberate shot at him, > > Fair enough... Not really... I feel quite shitty about doing it really -- I should have stayed cool about the whole thing, but I didn't... Not good for the karma. > imc > > PS I'm thinking of setting up a company called > _ > >_ Sigma. > > Is that alright? :-) > > PPS Not. (just in case...) *grins* Well, the thing is that the entropy E is distinctive in its colouring and style -- ie, all the angles are 45 degrees in it (unlike your average sigma)... A sigma is shaped differently... also, there's the triangle in the Entropy "E" logo... It's a "unique" symbol, in that it's easy to tell if something's meant as a rip off of it... basically, the TM is legalese for "We're releasing some software on all formats soon, so just in case, we'll stick this here so that no-one can play around with our stuff..." Besides, I've always wanted a trademark of my own -- now I'm getting one -- legally! Si From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Dec 5 13:04:25 1994 Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 12:56:10 +0100 Message-Id: <94120512561062@bsvms.staffs.ac.uk> From: cm3hdlt@bs41.staffs.ac.uk (Anything further father? That can't be right - anything father further!) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Vms-To: SAM Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 778 Lines: 23 >> Actually he tells me that you have claimed his "Illusion" logo is an >> infringement of your (yet to be registered) trade mark, which (as an >> impartial observer) I can say is complete tosh. That wasn't very >> diplomatic was it?... > >Fairs fair though, the Illusion logo does bear more the a passing >resemblance to the Entropy one (even if the claim was just a cheap >shot) and how would anyone like their trademark/name being >ripped off/borrowed? Well said. I totally agree - the Entropy logo is as well known as Entropy itself. People should respect the trademark, whether it is registered or not. I'm sure Microsoft would make the bastard burn in hell if it happened to them. Si - stand up for your rights! > >Dan Doore Lord Blackadder From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Dec 5 13:04:44 1994 From: Robert Partington Message-Id: <9412051216.AA00504@n4e.cs.man.ac.uk> Subject: Re: FLAME WARS! To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 12:16:33 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <9412051139.AA00680@booth5.ecs.ox.ac.uk> from "Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk" at Dec 5, 94 12:39:06 pm Risc-Header: ARMed X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 309 Lines: 10 Actually this isn't *really* a flame, just that if people could stick to stuff about the SAM... ? Anyway, I've just moved my SAM into my new house and if anyone around Manchester wants to show/give me software then please do... Other than that, any info/ideas about what to do with my SAM? RjP From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Dec 5 13:07:31 1994 From: "Doore, Daniel [MIS]" To: Sam Users Subject: Re: Logo Wars! Date: Mon, 05 Dec 94 12:51:00 PST Message-Id: <2EE37CFF@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 15 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 245 Lines: 15 > > Fairs fair though, the Illusion logo does bear more the a passing > > resemblance to the Entropy one > > I disagree... That's art for you. > imc > > PS besides which, Illusion can claim prior art. Eh? Wossat then? Dan. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Dec 5 13:12:26 1994 Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 13:06:54 +0100 Message-Id: <94120513065454@bsvms.staffs.ac.uk> From: cm3hdlt@bs41.staffs.ac.uk (Anything further father? That can't be right - anything father further!) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Vms-To: SAM Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 347 Lines: 17 > >Anyway, I've just moved my SAM into my new house and if anyone around >Manchester wants to show/give me software then please do... > > >Other than that, any info/ideas about what to do with my SAM? > >RjP > Get to it Si - come on, go round his house. I'm itching to get my hands on the MiDget - Gimmie, gimmie :) Lord B' From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Dec 5 13:20:59 1994 From: "Doore, Daniel [MIS]" To: Sam Users Subject: Re: FLAME WARS! Date: Mon, 05 Dec 94 13:13:00 PST Message-Id: <2EE3822D@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 13 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 212 Lines: 13 > Other than that, any info/ideas about what to do with my SAM? As one of my colleagues once suggested: 'Novelty doorstop' Don't worry my friends, they did end up bleeding. Dan. > RjP > From imc Mon Dec 5 15:20:06 1994 Subject: Re: Parallel Port Dac To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 5 Dec 94 15:20:06 GMT In-Reply-To: <9412021638.aa16240@ax433.mclink.it>; from "Arne Di Russo" at Dec 2, 94 4:38 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 3755 Lines: 88 Apologies for a rather technical message... On Fri, 2 Dec 94 16:38:39 CET, Arne Di Russo said: > -----, + - ANALOG OUT > | 15k ,---------------------+-||-----, ,-------> > 9 |--#####--+--#####-,7.5k | 5.0F | | > | 15k ,--------' | ###<-' > 8 |--#####--+--#####-,7.5k === ### > | 15k ,--------' | 4700pF | 100K > 7 |--#####--+--#####-,7.5k | | > | 15k ,--------' _|_ _|_ > 6 |--#####--+--#####-,7.5k > | 15k ,--------' > 5 |--#####--+--#####-,7.5k > | 15k ,--------' > 4 |--#####--+--#####-,7.5k > | 15k ,--------' > 3 |--#####--+--#####-,7.5k > | 15k | > 2 |--#####---+-------' > | ### > | ###15k > 18 |----------|--------------------------------------> GND > -----' _|_ This looked so strange that I had to try it out (mathematically, not physically). We can rewrite the left-hand part of this diagram as follows: R1 R1 R1 R3 out <---+--###--+--###--+--###--+--###--<-- GND | | | | # # # # #R2 #R2 #R2 #R2 | | | | ^ ^ ^ ^ bit 3 bit 2 bit 1 bit 0 (I've only used 4 bits to make things slightly easier). In the diagram above, we have R3=R2=15K and R1=7.5K. In an extremely simplistic view of things that assumes no current flows and takes this as a sequence of potential dividers, all the resistors have to be equal in order for the output to be correct. In order for the diagram to look more symmetric, R3 should equal R1 and not R2. Despite the above facts, the circuit does work. What I would like to know is how. It seems to be magic. Assuming no current flows out of the output, we can calculate the voltage present at the output in terms of the voltages at the inputs by using Kirchoff's laws. We have to introduce 8 unknowns for the 8 currents flowing through the 8 resistors, and end up with an equation of the form A x = I, where I is the set of 8 unknowns, and [ 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 ] [ 0 ] [ ] [ ] [ 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 -1 ] [ 0 ] [ ] [ ] [ 0 1 0 0 0 1 -1 0 ] [ 0 ] [ ] [ ] [ 1 0 0 0 1 -1 0 0 ] [ 0 ] A = [ ] x = [ ] [ R2 0 0 0 -R3 0 0 0 ] [ bit0 ] [ ] [ ] [ 0 R2 0 0 -R3 -R1 0 0 ] [ bit1 ] [ ] [ ] [ 0 0 R2 0 -R3 -R1 -R1 0 ] [ bit2 ] [ ] [ ] [ 0 0 0 R2 -R3 -R1 -R1 -R1 ] [ bit3 ] According to Maple, the answer fills an 80x40 window twice. The output voltage is equal to -R3*i[5]-R1*(i[6]+i[7]+i[8]). According to Maple, the answer for that fills my 80x40 window. And yet, if we put R1=1, R2=2 and R3=2, the output voltage turns out to equal 1/16 bit0 + 1/8 bit1 + 1/4 bit2 + 1/2 bit3 which is the correct answer. But the value of I still looks completely random. Can anyone give a rational explanation of why the figures just happen to combine to give the right answer? imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Dec 5 17:26:13 1994 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Parallel Port Dac To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 17:21:19 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <9412051520.AA07827@booth5.ecs.ox.ac.uk> from "Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk" at Dec 5, 94 04:20:06 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 761 Lines: 22 > And yet, if we put R1=1, R2=2 and R3=2, the output voltage turns out to equal > > 1/16 bit0 + 1/8 bit1 + 1/4 bit2 + 1/2 bit3 > > which is the correct answer. But the value of I still looks completely > random. Can anyone give a rational explanation of why the figures just > happen to combine to give the right answer? > > imc > Ummm... no, but i know a few books that might... track down a copy of Horowitz & Hill -- The Art Of Electronics, which should help you... Basically, look at the circuit -- it looks like it should give the right result, doesn't it. (I look at it and think so, anyway)... basically, it's hard to explain, but intuitively right. There's probably some big maths for it, but I don't know it (yet). Si From imc Mon Dec 5 17:29:25 1994 Subject: Re: Parallel Port Dac To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 5 Dec 94 17:29:25 GMT In-Reply-To: ; from "Simon Cooke" at Dec 5, 94 5:21 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 510 Lines: 13 On Mon, 5 Dec 1994 17:21:19 +0000 (GMT), Simon Cooke said: > Basically, look at the circuit -- it looks like it should give the right > result, doesn't it. (I look at it and think so, anyway)... basically, it's > hard to explain, but intuitively right. There's probably some big maths for > it, but I don't know it (yet). What I said was 1. It doesn't look to me like the circuit should give anywhere near the right result. 2. I already did the maths. The maths show it is correct. imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Dec 6 16:27:11 1994 From: "Doore, Daniel [MIS]" To: sam-users Subject: Re: Parallel Port Dac Date: Tue, 06 Dec 94 13:55:00 PST Message-Id: <2EE4FF21@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 11 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 403 Lines: 11 I'm admittedly not very big on electronic things, but couldn't you just get an 8-bit DAC chip and hoof it to the parallel port (possibly via opto-couplers - or whatever they are) or is that not what we are on about here? Dan. P.S. Arne - I'll upload that sample disc ASAP, I've already got the disc image, it's just getting the time to do it (or getting someone else to do it rather :) ) From imc Tue Dec 6 16:32:16 1994 Subject: Re: Parallel Port Dac To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 6 Dec 94 16:32:16 GMT In-Reply-To: <2EE4FF21@courier.lmu.ac.uk>; from "Doore, Daniel [MIS]" at Dec 6, 94 1:55 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 606 Lines: 15 On Tue, 06 Dec 94 13:55:00 PST, Doore, Daniel [MIS] said: > I'm admittedly not very big on electronic things, but couldn't > you just get an 8-bit DAC chip and hoof it to the parallel port Resistors are cheaper. :-) Mind you, you'll probably want to stick an amplifier on there that can drive a speaker, just in case not everyone has a hifi sitting next to their Sam... Maplin sells hundreds of the things. I remember building a couple of stereo amplifiers for under 5 quid each a few years ago. My brother has one of them attached to his Sam (I don't have either of them. :-( ). imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Dec 7 07:10:28 1994 From: Johnathan Taylor Date: 07 Dec 94 03:59:22 +0000 Subject: Keyboard membranes Message-Id: <039_9412070659@centron.com> Organization: CC-NET BBS To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1467 Lines: 35 On (05 Dec 94) Briansam@bgserv.demon.co. wrote to All... > Its not Bob its the facts! No new keyboards, we are working from > original MGT stock. The manufactureres did not make extra > membranes. Unless you want to sponser a run of at least a couple > of thousand, no more will ever be made. Its the same problem > with ALL the various Spectrum keyboards and spares. Ah but it's Bob that sets the current prices though;-) I was lucky! I spotted a complete Sam keyboard at a Radio Ham & Computer rally, I got it for L2.50! Works perfectly but as yet it's only been needed to act as tempory keyboard when operating the SAM with the lid off! They're great for that:-) Personally I've found the SAM keyboard membrain to be excelent even after nearly two years of daily use for regular message writing as well as programming etc... Not one key has gone! Plus the sam has been taken appart MANY times and no signs of the ribbons getting stressed, yet;-) Though I would've prefered the ribbons to have been made a bit longer as I'm always worried about them getting creased due to it being a bit tight when re-connecting them. I much prefer the SAM keyboard action and layout to this PC1512's keyboard! Johnathan.  ... It's not nice to put the Moderator on the Twit list. -- |Fidonet: Johnathan Taylor 2:2501/307.9 |Internet: jet@centron.com | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Dec 7 07:10:30 1994 From: Johnathan Taylor Date: 07 Dec 94 04:30:33 +0000 Subject: Sample player Message-Id: <03a_9412070659@centron.com> Organization: CC-NET BBS To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 4457 Lines: 103 On (02 Dec 94) Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk wrote... > On 01 Dec 94 22:15:17 +0000, Johnathan Taylor said: >> Well you should compress the 16 or 8 bits into 4bits not just chop of the >> lsb's > It depends on what the sample is. I was referring to samples that have > already been compressed and stored as 2 4-bit samples per byte. In that > case there's not much overhead when playing 4-bit samples compared to > playing 8-bit samples. Hmm. sounds like a weird way to store a sample! Are you saying that the Sun sampler is only 4bits and its input is pre-compressed analoguely? > You are wrong. A single OUT is all it takes. As it's not a very well-kept > secret I might as well explain... This is one time I like to be wrong;-) > The sound chip has two channels which look a bit like this (the other four > don't have an envelope generator): > +----------+ [1] +----------+ +--------+ > | tone |__/___>___| envelope |__>__| volume |_____> (to output) > | generator| | | generator| | control| > +----------+ /[2] +----------+ +--------+ > ^ | | > +----------+ | ^ ^ > | noise |____+_... | | > | generator| [3] [4] > +----------+ > [1] Tone enable switch (bit 2 or 5 of register 20) > [2] Noise enable switch (bit 2 or 5 of register 21) > [3] Envelope enable and type (register 24 or 25) > [4] Volume level (register 2 or 5; bits 0-3 left channel, bits 4-7 right). > By a freak of nature, if you turn the tone and noise both off, you can get > the envelope generator to produce a constant high voltage level (did they > design this in or was it an accident?). Therefore, by altering the volume > register you can output any voltage level you like. It only takes one OUT > instruction to do this. Oh that's how! Thanks:-) Assuming that this works on both generators would setting the amplitude regs simultainiously to different values produce an average DC potential not corrisponding to any of the normal 16 levels ie reg2=33h & reg5=44h output a value between 3 & 4? If so then it should be possible to simulate more resolution! Though of course the software overheads rise quite a bit using that method. > Weeelll... :-) I finally did it! Why do you...... Ingenious use of the line-interupt to time the sample-output event, that's one way out of the contended ram timing loops:-) An idea just came to mind that it may be possible to run such a player as a line-interupt service routine! That way you could have the sample play in the background! Assuming it can be done quick enough;-) Though knowing the paging overheads etc it'd probably run out of time between samples:( > If it gets released somewhere (such as on FRED) it will become public > knowledge to a certain extent, so you can do more or less anything after > that (except sell a verbatim copy of the code and claim you wrote it, and > similar things that I'm sure you would never dream of...) Heck I'd never do that! credit where credit is due is what I believe, you can also replace the 'credit' with blame as well if you like;-) > However, I dare say there's nothing terribly new in it... There's not alot new when it comes to z80 proggin so that's now't to be down about:-) > [about WAV] >>> Does it have advantages over any other kind? Is it compressed? I > Why is it better than RAW if it isn't compressed? Is it just an envelope Yes, the header info tells the player useful things like the sample rate, sample width, mono or stereo, number of samples in the file and on what system it was created... A bit like the Archive header I've previously ranted about compared to a simple compressed file... > Correct (but it's also because I have the docs on that format, seeing as > I'm sitting in front of a Sun workstation). As good a reason as any! Would you like the WAV format info just in case you get into that R2R DAC and start thinking about writing a universal sample player?;-) Regards Johnathan.  ... My modem's made by Kellogs...it plugs into the cereal port... -- |Fidonet: Johnathan Taylor 2:2501/307.9 |Internet: jet@centron.com | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Dec 7 07:10:31 1994 From: Johnathan Taylor Date: 07 Dec 94 03:47:56 +0000 Subject: Parallel Port Dac Message-Id: <038_9412070659@centron.com> Organization: CC-NET BBS To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 5489 Lines: 127 On (05 Dec 94) Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk wrote... > QAA04381 for sam-users-outgoing; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 16:20:53 +0100 > by sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA04375 for > ; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 16:20:46 +0100 > Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 16:20:06 +0100 > From: Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk > Apologies for a rather technical message... > On Fri, 2 Dec 94 16:38:39 CET, Arne Di Russo said: > -----, + - ANALOG OUT > | 15k ,---------------------+-||-----, ,-------> > 9 |--#####--+--#####-,7.5k | 5.0F | | > | 15k ,--------' | ###<-' > 8 |--#####--+--#####-,7.5k === ### > | 15k ,--------' | 4700pF | 100K > 7 |--#####--+--#####-,7.5k | | > | 15k ,--------' _|_ _|_ > 6 |--#####--+--#####-,7.5k > | 15k ,--------' > 5 |--#####--+--#####-,7.5k > | 15k ,--------' > 4 |--#####--+--#####-,7.5k > | 15k ,--------' > 3 |--#####--+--#####-,7.5k > | 15k | > 2 |--#####---+-------' > | ### > | ###15k > 18 |----------|--------------------------------------> GND > -----' _|_ > This looked so strange that I had to try it out (mathematically, not > physically). We can rewrite the left-hand part of this diagram as > follows: > R1 R1 R1 R3 > out <---+--###--+--###--+--###--+--###--<-- GND > | | | | > # # # # > #R2 #R2 #R2 #R2 > | | | | > ^ ^ ^ ^ > bit 3 bit 2 bit 1 bit 0 > (I've only used 4 bits to make things slightly easier). In the diagram > above, we have R3=R2=15K and R1=7.5K. > In an extremely simplistic view of things that assumes no current flows and > takes this as a sequence of potential dividers, all the resistors have to > be equal in order for the output to be correct. > In order for the diagram to look more symmetric, R3 should equal R1 and > not R2. > Despite the above facts, the circuit does work. What I would like to know > is how. It seems to be magic. I think you may not be taking into acount that when a bit is NOT high it is LOW and therefore the resistor connected to it is effectivly connected to ground and acts as a potential divider to any lesser significant bits voltage derrived from it's portion of the divider chain. Because the biggest action of this circuit is as a compound potential divider ie it's the logic zero's in a higher significant position that make the lsb's so low. R3 is equal to an absolutely least-significant-bit set perminantly to zero so MUST be equal to 2R to be part of the R2R equation. I've not bothered to attempt to prove or disprove the logic of it as it works well enough to accept it, uptil now anyway;-) > According to Maple, the answer fills an 80x40 window twice. > The output voltage is equal to -R3*i[5]-R1*(i[6]+i[7]+i[8]). According to > Maple, the answer for that fills my 80x40 window. > And yet, if we put R1=1, R2=2 and R3=2, the output voltage turns out to > equal > 1/16 bit0 + 1/8 bit1 + 1/4 bit2 + 1/2 bit3 > which is the correct answer. But the value of I still looks completely > random. Can anyone give a rational explanation of why the figures just > happen to combine to give the right answer? Rationality! that's asking a bit much;-) Examining with just the lsb at 1 and the remaining 3 more significant bits set to 0... going from lsb to msb nodes the attenuation to 4dp is:- bit0 0.3354 bit1 0.5098 bit2 0.5455 bit3 0.6666 which in all is 0.06212 or 1/16.09 or probably exactly 1/16 if infinite presision maths is used. Obviously theres a lot more to it especially when multiple bits are 1's but I think it's better to look at those 1's as switching resistors out of the parallel resistors in the compond resistance in the lower section of the more significant potential divider and thus increasing the output potential dependant on how much they effect the value of that compound resistance. No way can I be bothered to model that particular idea with pen and paper! This is the sort of thing that human intelect can deduce to work from a couple of itterative tests but computers have to perform every possible logical configuration before it can be sure it'll work at all times;-) I think it's just an applied exception to murphies law I'm not 100% certain that the unloaded output voltages accuratly represent the binary value but they are a close enough approximation to get away with it:-) The R2R ladder is used in proper DAC chips so it must be quite accurate! None of my calculations of combined resistance took into account the voltage drop of the logic 0 output and assumed it to be an *ideal* logic output. ie. in a real R2R ladder the lowest voltage that can be represented would be at least 0.6V with all bits set to 0 due to the ttl output stage used as voltage source. Johnathan.  ... DATA COMPRESSION..What You Get When You Squish An Android -- |Fidonet: Johnathan Taylor 2:2501/307.9 |Internet: jet@centron.com | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Dec 7 10:02:29 1994 From: "Doore, Daniel [MIS]" To: sam-users Subject: FTP Hassles Date: Wed, 07 Dec 94 09:55:00 PST Message-Id: <2EE5F757@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 7 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 131 Lines: 7 Is there problems with nvg.unit.no cos we haven't been able to get through for 3 days.... Anybody else tried? Dan Doore From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Dec 7 11:16:59 1994 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Parallel Port Dac Date: Wed, 7 Dec 94 12:10:57 CET From: Arne Di Russo Message-Id: <9412071210.ab29310@ax433.mclink.it> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1077 Lines: 30 Hello Daniel, > From: "Doore, Daniel [MIS]" > Subject: Re: Parallel Port Dac > Date: Tue, 06 Dec 94 13:55:00 PST > > P.S. Arne - I'll upload that sample disc ASAP, I've already got > the disc image, it's just getting the time to do it (or getting > someone else to do it rather :) ) Thank you, there is no hurry, but please tell us when you have uploaded it, as I'm not looking into the SAM directories at nvg everyday... :-) Bye, Arne P.S: For everybody... I think a parallel port DAC + the appropriate software would really be a nice and cheap add-on for the SAM to be marketed commercially with ads in Format and Fred... Perhaps Brian could do it... +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | Arne Di Russo Internet..: mc8189@mclink.it (changes after 14/1/95) | | Rome, Italy Fidonet...: 2:335/311.55 and 2:335/21.55 | | Voice.....: ++39/6/56338158 after 9pm CET | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Dec 7 11:38:57 1994 Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 12:32:52 +0100 X400-Originator: cgp@st-andrews.ac.uk X400-Recipients: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/;<16925.9412071132@pasta.st-andre] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: New hardware ... From: Colin G Piggot Message-Id: <16925.9412071132@pasta.st-andrews.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: New hardware Coming Soon Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1175 Lines: 33 Remember reading > Port &xxD0 has just been allocated to Colin Piggot for a potential > sound board, so there you go :) from Si Cooke, on 2 Nov 1994 ? Well read on..... Quazar Surround =============== I think (with all this talk of DACs on printer ports) i better reveal to you now that a sound card should be emerging for the sam early next year, hopefully middle to end of Feburary. The board is called 'Quazar Surround' as (when you have 2 pairs speakers plugged in) it will give SURROUND sound, or just stereo if you only connect 1 pair. It has six 8 bit sound channels which gives great sound (believe me... it sounds awesome! Even when playing old 4 bit samples through it sound cleaner). It also has a port for a dual 8 bit sampler module, which will allow you to sample in stereo and will be available separatly. The prototype IS working, and has been for about 3 weeks now, software is being written at the moment, such things like full sample manipulation studios, sample players, and of course the screen is on! More info later, plus all the details of how to program the card.... Colin Piggot. (Megatron of Entropy) From imc Wed Dec 7 11:39:12 1994 Subject: Re: FTP Hassles To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 7 Dec 94 11:39:12 GMT In-Reply-To: <2EE5F757@courier.lmu.ac.uk>; from "Doore, Daniel [MIS]" at Dec 7, 94 9:55 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 522 Lines: 11 On Wed, 07 Dec 94 09:55:00 PST, Doore, Daniel [MIS] said: > Is there problems with nvg.unit.no cos we haven't been able to get through > for 3 days.... Seems OK for me (although it seems to have moved to a different machine (you can still get there with the name ftp.nvg.unit.no though)). Some people seem to have had more difficulty than others in getting through. Recently I've found the connection to be reasonably stable and quite fast, though it occasionally hangs in the middle of a transmission. imc From imc Wed Dec 7 12:36:27 1994 Subject: Re: Parallel Port Dac To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 7 Dec 94 12:36:27 GMT In-Reply-To: <038_9412070659@centron.com>; from "Johnathan Taylor" at Dec 7, 94 3:47 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 2412 Lines: 62 On 07 Dec 94 03:47:56 +0000, Johnathan Taylor said: > > R1 R1 R1 R3 > > out <---+--###--+--###--+--###--+--###--<-- GND > > | | | | > > # # # # > > #R2 #R2 #R2 #R2 > > | | | | > > ^ ^ ^ ^ > > bit 3 bit 2 bit 1 bit 0 > I think you may not be taking into acount that when a bit is NOT high it is > LOW and therefore the resistor connected to it is effectivly connected to > ground and acts as a potential divider to any lesser significant bits voltage > derrived from it's portion of the divider chain. Umm... the circuit works whether or not any of the bits is high or low. Your explanation of how it works should not depend on the values of the bits. > R3 is equal to an > absolutely least-significant-bit set perminantly to zero so MUST be equal to > 2R to be part of the R2R equation. No. In that case the circuit would be R1 R1 R1 R1 out <---+--###--+--###--+--###--+--###--+ | | | | | # # # # # #R2 #R2 #R2 #R2 #R2 | | | | | ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ bit 3 bit 2 bit 1 bit 0 GND wouldn't it? > Examining with just the lsb at 1 and the remaining 3 more significant bits set > to 0... going from lsb to msb nodes the attenuation to 4dp is:- > bit0 0.3354 > bit1 0.5098 > bit2 0.5455 > bit3 0.6666 > which in all is 0.06212 or 1/16.09 or probably exactly 1/16 if infinite > presision maths is used. Where do you get these numbers from? > I'm not 100% certain that the unloaded output voltages accuratly represent the > binary value but they are a close enough approximation to get away with it:-) I've already told you that the circuit is mathematically correct. > ie. in a real R2R ladder the lowest voltage that can be represented would be > at least 0.6V with all bits set to 0 due to the ttl output stage used as > voltage source. Provided the low and high voltages are always the same (say, 1V and 4V) you will still get an accurate result which lies between the low and high voltages. imc From imc Wed Dec 7 12:44:30 1994 Subject: Re: Keyboard membranes To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 7 Dec 94 12:44:30 GMT In-Reply-To: <039_9412070659@centron.com>; from "Johnathan Taylor" at Dec 7, 94 3:59 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 1093 Lines: 21 On 07 Dec 94 03:59:22 +0000, Johnathan Taylor said: > I much prefer the SAM keyboard action and layout to this PC1512's keyboard! I don't know what a PC1512 keyboard looks like, but there are a number of things which are "odd" about the Sam keyboard. I can't remember many of them because I haven't got one just here, but... * The '+' is an unshifted key. On all other keyboards it is shifted, so I naturally press shift and therefore get an incorrect result. * The F keys are not distanced from the main keyboard. Your hand just has to shift accidentally a few millimetres to the right and wham! A LOAD "" or LIST has just entered itself in the middle of the line you were typing. * In order to get '<' or '>' you have to move to the Symbol key, which is a bit irritating because most other things just require an ordinary shift. * The Edit key is next to the space bar and the Symbol key, which is even worse than having it next to the 'a' key on the +3. One false move and zap! The line you were typing disappears. imc From imc Wed Dec 7 13:00:45 1994 Subject: Re: Sample player To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 7 Dec 94 13:00:45 GMT In-Reply-To: <03a_9412070659@centron.com>; from "Johnathan Taylor" at Dec 7, 94 4:30 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 2752 Lines: 60 On 07 Dec 94 04:30:33 +0000, Johnathan Taylor said: > On (02 Dec 94) Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk wrote... > > It depends on what the sample is. I was referring to samples that have > > already been compressed and stored as 2 4-bit samples per byte. > Hmm. sounds like a weird way to store a sample! Are you saying that the Sun > sampler is only 4bits and its input is pre-compressed analoguely? Nononono... SAM samples are stored like that. Sun samples are stored with one sample per byte with a strange compression scheme which means that each byte approximates a 12-bit sample. Of course, they can be pre-processed into SAM samples, which are easier to play. The QLtheme file which I advertised recently was a Sun sample pre-processed into a SAM sample. I had to do this because the Sun sample is over 512K long. However, my Sun ".au" player plays un-pre-processed Sun samples. > Oh that's how! Thanks:-) Assuming that this works on both generators would > setting the amplitude regs simultainiously to different values produce an > average DC potential not corrisponding to any of the normal 16 levels ie > reg2=33h & reg5=44h output a value between 3 & 4? If so then it should be > possible to simulate more resolution! Though of course the software overheads > rise quite a bit using that method. In theory you could approximate up to 6 bits like this (I did 5, using the left and right channels of one sound generator). > Ingenious use of the line-interupt to time the sample-output event, that's one > way out of the contended ram timing loops:-) I can't think of any others (except maybe using the MIDI interrupt). > An idea just came to mind that it > may be possible to run such a player as a line-interupt service routine! That > way you could have the sample play in the background! Assuming it can be done > quick enough;-) You will have noticed that I went to some trouble to page RAM into section A. That's because the ROM interrupt routine takes so long that there isn't enough time left to play the sample. Even if that could be solved, the player would still take over 80% of the CPU time. > > [about WAV] > Yes, the header info tells the player useful things like the sample rate, > sample width, mono or stereo, number of samples in the file and on what system > it was created... So does any other format (e.g. .au)... > As good a reason as any! Would you like the WAV format info just in case you > get into that R2R DAC and start thinking about writing a universal sample > player?;-)  Go on then. :-) > ... My modem's made by Kellogs...it plugs into the cereal port... :-) :-) imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Dec 7 13:33:13 1994 From: "Doore, Daniel [MIS]" To: sam-users Subject: Re: Sample player Date: Wed, 07 Dec 94 13:17:00 PST Message-Id: <2EE6261C@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 10 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 342 Lines: 10 Back in the mists of time when I was at school and used an Arch 440, I had a top program that could convert 15 or so different sample types into each other, anything from RAW to WAV to the really bizarre. It was dead handy for blagging samples from MODS :-) Anybody know of one of these programs for either Sam or the PC? Dan. From imc Wed Dec 7 13:39:25 1994 Subject: Re: Sample player To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 7 Dec 94 13:39:25 GMT In-Reply-To: <2EE6261C@courier.lmu.ac.uk>; from "Doore, Daniel [MIS]" at Dec 7, 94 1:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 229 Lines: 12 On Wed, 07 Dec 94 13:17:00 PST, Doore, Daniel [MIS] said: > Anybody know of one of these programs for either Sam or the PC? Try http://multivac.ludd.luth.se/pub/sounds/SoundConversion/ Oops... Tough luck... imc From imc Wed Dec 7 13:47:44 1994 Subject: Re: Sample player To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 7 Dec 94 13:47:44 GMT In-Reply-To: <9412071339.AA17070@booth5.ecs.ox.ac.uk>; from "Ian.Collier@uk.ac.oxford.comlab" at Dec 7, 94 2:39 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 298 Lines: 11 > Try > http://multivac.ludd.luth.se/pub/sounds/SoundConversion/ You are in luck. The same files are available in ftp://ftp.luth.se/pub/sounds/SoundConversion/ (I can't tell you which one to get, so you will have to read the docs. However, amisox is the Amiga version of sox). imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Dec 7 13:49:12 1994 From: Robert Partington Message-Id: <9412071346.AA00784@n8c.cs.man.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Sample player To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 13:46:36 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <2EE6261C@courier.lmu.ac.uk> from "Doore, Daniel [MIS]" at Dec 7, 94 01:17:00 pm Risc-Header: ARMed X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 280 Lines: 9 > I had a top program that could convert 15 or so different sample > types sox seems to be a fairly capable sample converter. Written in C, fairly portable (can get it for Arc, Amiga, PC etc. AFAIR). I think it needs a fast processor and lots of memory though :( RjP From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Dec 7 14:26:12 1994 Message-Id: From: gaw-a@minster.york.ac.uk (Mars Bar) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 14:07:36 +0000 In-Reply-To: D.J.Doore -- "Re: Sample player" (Dec 7, 1:17pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92 (ORBIT)) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sample player Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 727 Lines: 19 On Dec 7, 1:17pm in "Re: Sample player", you warbled: ] ] Back in the mists of time when I was at school and used an Arch 440, ] I had a top program that could convert 15 or so different sample types ] into each other, anything from RAW to WAV to the really bizarre. ] ] It was dead handy for blagging samples from MODS :-) ] ] Anybody know of one of these programs for either Sam or the PC? ] ] Dan. You're probably thinking of sox on the arch. It looks pretty similar (read identical) to the thing on silicon graphics here called spconv. This is a unix C proggy and the source is (I think) generally available... don't know how easy it would be to port to either of the machines mentioned... Geoff From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Dec 7 15:18:53 1994 From: Frode Tennebo Message-Id: <199412071512.AA14531@ulke.hiMolde.no> Subject: Re: FTP Hassles To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 16:12:12 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <2EE5F757@courier.lmu.ac.uk> from "Doore, Daniel [MIS]" at Dec 7, 94 09:55:00 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 487 Lines: 18 > > > Is there problems with nvg.unit.no cos we haven't been able to get through > for 3 days.... The site has moved to an different machine, but is still operational. > Dan Doore > -- ^ One To-day is Worth Two To-morrows (Ben Franklin) ^ | ....or: One To-morrow is Worth a Quarter of One Yester-day... | | Frode Tennebo | email: frodet@hiMolde.no | | Parkv. 31, 6400 Molde, NORWAY | http://www.hiMolde.no/~frodet | | Phone: +47 712 57716 | Luke@IRC | From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Dec 7 15:23:38 1994 From: Frode Tennebo Message-Id: <199412071520.AA14734@ulke.hiMolde.no> Subject: Re: Keyboard membranes To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 16:20:36 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <5441@bgserv.demon.co.uk> from "Brian Gaff Sam Dept." at Dec 5, 94 08:49:42 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 978 Lines: 25 > > Its not Bob its the facts! No new keyboards, we are working from > original MGT stock. The manufactureres did not make extra > membranes. Unless you want to sponser a run of at least a couple > of thousand, no more will ever be made. Its the same problem > with ALL the various Spectrum keyboards and spares. > > So its no good complaining about what SHOULD have happened. You > cannot turn bacj time... mores the pity! Yeah, well...that still does not account for why Bob hasn't replied to my fax 10 days ago. And why the NEW keyboard I bought had a broken membrane. They should do something to strenthen the 'bend' - I think that's where the wear is. > > Brian -- ^ One To-day is Worth Two To-morrows (Ben Franklin) ^ | ....or: One To-morrow is Worth a Quarter of One Yester-day... | | Frode Tennebo | email: frodet@hiMolde.no | | Parkv. 31, 6400 Molde, NORWAY | http://www.hiMolde.no/~frodet | | Phone: +47 712 57716 | Luke@IRC | From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Dec 7 15:46:56 1994 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Quasar Surround Date: Wed, 7 Dec 94 16:43:21 CET From: Arne Di Russo Message-Id: <9412071643.aa00819@ax433.mclink.it> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2393 Lines: 58 Hello Colin, >From: Colin G Piggot >Subject: New hardware Coming Soon > >I think (with all this talk of DACs on printer ports) i better >reveal to you now that a sound card should be emerging for the >sam early next year, hopefully middle to end of Feburary. Are you getting anxious about someone releasing a parallel-DAC before your card is out, taking you all potential customers away?! ;-))))) Well perhaps it would also be useful to talk about the OS Ian Spencer is developing in Germany for his SAM-HD interface, so perhaps Simon speeds up his work on his HD-IF and OS .... ;-))) >The board is called 'Quazar Surround' as (when you have 2 pairs speakers >plugged in) it will give SURROUND sound, or just stereo if you only >connect 1 pair. >It has six 8 bit sound channels which gives great sound (believe me... >it sounds awesome! Even when playing old 4 bit samples through it >sound cleaner). What do ya mean, does it have a digital 6 channel 8bit mixer on board?????? If yes it would mean that it is like a little Gravis Ultrasound for the SAM.... (Even the Soundblaster cards do have only 2 digital audio channels..) Which is the maximum frequency supported by the card playing al 6 channels and which is the maximum frequency the SAM is capable to send? (I just calculated that 6 channels 8 bit would mean 130K/second...) >The prototype IS working, and has been for about 3 weeks now, >software is being written at the moment, such things like full sample >manipulation studios, sample players, and of course the screen is on! Very, very interesting, 'though I personally would use it only for playback not for sampling, the quality of the 16bit 48Khz ADCs of the GUS are unbeatable, and if I convert 16bit sound to 8bit it still sounds much better than anythink sampled at 8 bit ... >More info later, plus all the details of how to program the card.... I can't wait... ;-) >Colin Piggot. >(Megatron of Entropy) Bye, Arne +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | Arne Di Russo Internet..: mc8189@mclink.it (changes after 14/1/95) | | Rome, Italy Fidonet...: 2:335/311.55 and 2:335/21.55 | | Voice.....: ++39/6/56338158 after 9pm CET | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Dec 7 16:16:47 1994 Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 17:11:58 +0100 X400-Originator: cgp@st-andrews.ac.uk X400-Recipients: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/;<23715.9412071611@pasta.st-andre] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: Re: Quazar Su... From: Colin G Piggot Message-Id: <23715.9412071611@pasta.st-andrews.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Quazar Surround (It's a Z not an S ;-) Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2887 Lines: 67 > Are you getting anxious about someone releasing a parallel-DAC > before your card is out, taking you all potential customers away?! > ;-))))) Not really, but i'm sure many people would not like to have to keep uplugging their printer just to play music, the main point is there has also been many rumours about other sound cards being done or though about, this one is actually built and working.... > What do ya mean, does it have a digital 6 channel 8bit mixer > on board?????? If yes it would mean that it is like a little > Gravis Ultrasound for the SAM.... No, it doesnt have a mixer on board, comes down to software. How it plays the 6 channels as follows: 2 channels to Front left, 2 to front right, 1 to rear left, 1 to rear right. If mixing is needed then it's down to the software. > Which is the maximum frequency supported by the card playing > al 6 channels and which is the maximum frequency the SAM > is capable to send? > (I just calculated that 6 channels 8 bit would mean 130K/second...) This all comes down to software, so far i've just been knocking up very crude code to test it with, but i've had 2 channels playing at 22KHz which sounded great! (This was with the screen off though due to bad coding :-) I guess without an sam accelerator 22Khz would be the highest. But, with the screen on, it was playing 2 channels at 15.6kHz. Although it should be possible to get it playing 4 Channels at 15.6Khz. Normally only 4 channels will be playing, most probably playing MODS, (I'm working on a Mod composer/editor at the moment), then you have 2 channels free incase any extra sound effects are required. > Very, very interesting, 'though I personally would use it only > for playback not for sampling, the quality of the 16bit 48Khz ADCs > of the GUS are unbeatable, and if I convert 16bit sound to 8bit > it still sounds much better than anythink sampled at 8 bit ... Yes, but not everyone has a PC, let alone a Gravis Ultrasound, so i feel the sampler module is nessesary, anyway, the sampler is not built in - it's an optional extra which will plug into the sound card. Plus there will be convertors supplied with the card for converting 16bit samples to 8bit, aiff to raw convertors and all that. Hope that answers the questions... Now changing the subject slightly.... > Well perhaps it would also be useful to talk about the OS Ian Spencer > is developing in Germany for his SAM-HD interface, so perhaps > Simon speeds up his work on his HD-IF and OS .... ;-))) Is this another HD interface? So far we have Si Cooke's one, and Bob's attempt. A decent HD and DOS system would be ideal for the sound card, and if the proposed Rooksoft/Entropy SIMM board that Si mentioned a while back comes along the programs that could be produced would be excellent.... Colin. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Dec 7 16:27:57 1994 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Amazing Gif Viewer Date: Wed, 7 Dec 94 17:23:50 CET From: Arne Di Russo Message-Id: <9412071723.aa10401@ax433.mclink.it> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1092 Lines: 25 I just downloaded a file called interl.td0 from nvg.unit.no from the incoming subdir, ... it's a REALLY GREAT gif-viewer for the SAM in native mode, it works amazingly fast (only a few second for decompressing) and it display images in a sort of interlaced mode! This mode flickers quite a lot but the image quality is still astonishing... Anyone knows who did the upload? The programs itself seems written by a German SAM user called Stephan Haller, I know him but I didn't know that he has Internet access, so I don't think he uploaded it personally... Bye, Arne Well now I really have to go to the supermarket otherwise I wont have anything to eat this evening... :-) See you all tomorrow... +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | Arne Di Russo Internet..: mc8189@mclink.it (changes after 14/1/95) | | Rome, Italy Fidonet...: 2:335/311.55 and 2:335/21.55 | | Voice.....: ++39/6/56338158 after 9pm CET | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Dec 7 18:14:21 1994 From: "Doore, Daniel [MIS]" To: sam-users Subject: Re: FTP Hassles Date: Wed, 07 Dec 94 15:26:00 PST Message-Id: <2EE66A41@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 12 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 323 Lines: 12 > > > Is there problems with nvg.unit.no cos we haven't been able to get through > > for 3 days.... > > The site has moved to an different machine, but is still operational. > There has been a breakthrough, we now can get in but as soon as we login as 'anonymous' or 'ftp' or 'guest' it chucks us out. Dan. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Dec 7 18:21:00 1994 From: Frode Tennebo Message-Id: <199412071818.AA18174@ulke.hiMolde.no> Subject: Re: FTP Hassles To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 19:18:05 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <2EE66A41@courier.lmu.ac.uk> from "Doore, Daniel [MIS]" at Dec 7, 94 03:26:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 702 Lines: 24 > > > > > > > Is there problems with nvg.unit.no cos we haven't been able to get > through > > > for 3 days.... > > > > The site has moved to an different machine, but is still operational. > > > There has been a breakthrough, we now can get in but as soon as we login > as 'anonymous' or 'ftp' or 'guest' it chucks us out. Shoudn't be a problem. Ar you running ident? Try ncftp. > > Dan. > -- ^ One To-day is Worth Two To-morrows (Ben Franklin) ^ | ....or: One To-morrow is Worth a Quarter of One Yester-day... | | Frode Tennebo | email: frodet@hiMolde.no | | Parkv. 31, 6400 Molde, NORWAY | http://www.hiMolde.no/~frodet | | Phone: +47 712 57716 | Luke@IRC | From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Dec 8 08:41:32 1994 From: slawek@namu01.gwdg.de Message-Id: <9412080838.AA10911@namu01.gwdg.de> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Cc: slawek@namu01.gwdg.de Subject: RE:Amazing Gif Viewer Date: Thu, 08 Dec 94 09:38:37 +0100 X-Mts: smtp Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 802 Lines: 20 Hi ! This file ( interl.td0) was uploaded by me and I will upload a tiff -> RGB ( on SAM ) Converter when I have this . Stephan Haller dont have a Internet access , but Ihave a good contact to him ... Ian D. Specner is my friend to and his HD interface work now . I am now on building my own HD interface and I will upload to nvg.unit.no a circuit for it as twwo Sam screens + a tiny Basic proggie for it . When You are a ham ( Packet Radio owner ) , You can send a E-Mail to Ian , his address : djohf@dbosgl.#nrw.deu.eu ( NOT A INTERNET ADDRESS !!!!! ) I will upload my new Terminal Proggie ( sharware version ) with ANSI , X- , X1k- and Y-Modem ( only for downwload ) , etc. to nvg... in the next days . Slawek. email: slawek@namu01.gwdg.de bbs: slaek@truline.harz.sub.org From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Dec 8 11:28:34 1994 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Hd-Interface Date: Thu, 8 Dec 94 12:26:03 CET From: Arne Di Russo Message-Id: <9412081226.ab10288@ax433.mclink.it> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2309 Lines: 58 Hello, >From: slawek@namu01.gwdg.de >Subject: RE:Amazing Gif Viewer >Date: Thu, 08 Dec 94 09:38:37 +0100 > >This file ( interl.td0) was uploaded by me and I will upload a tiff-> >RGB ( on SAM ) Converter when I have this. Stephan Haller dont have a >Internet access, but I have a good contact to him ... Are you a member of the German Spectrum and SAM club called Spectrum Profi Club (SPC)? I know that Stephan Haller is responsible for the SAM PD-library of the club and that he has quite a lot of software. Do you have much of that software? If yes I would thank you very much if you could upload at least some of the most interesting disks to nvg.unit.no... >Ian D. Specner is my friend to and his HD interface work now.I am now >on building my own HD interface and I will upload to nvg.unit.no a >circuit for it as two Sam screens + a tiny Basic proggie for it . Please upload everything as .td0 it's the fastest way to get things back on the SAM. I read in the Nov issue of the SPC bullettin that Ian had problems with an old 20MB HD. Did he solve these problems or did he use another HD? I'm asking this, because I have an old Conner 40MB-HD (jan 92) which I would like to connect to the SAM sooner or later... Is anyone developing an OS for this IF or is it already done by someone? Because otherwise the IF is not very useful... >When You are a ham ( Packet Radio owner ) , You can send a E-Mail to >Ian , his address : >djohf@dbosgl.#nrw.deu.eu ( NOT A INTERNET ADDRESS !!!!! ) Do you know of any gateway between packet and Internet? >I will upload my new Terminal Proggie (sharware version) with ANSI, >X-, X1k- and Y-Modem (only for downwload), etc. to nvg... >in the next days. Very interesting! :-) Does it work with a 14.4K modem or only with lower speeds? >Slawek. > >email: slawek@namu01.gwdg.de >bbs: slaek@truline.harz.sub.org See you soon, Arne +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | Arne Di Russo Internet..: mc8189@mclink.it (changes after 14/1/95) | | Rome, Italy Fidonet...: 2:335/311.55 and 2:335/21.55 | | Voice.....: ++39/6/56338158 after 9pm CET | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ From imc Thu Dec 8 11:45:17 1994 Subject: Re: Hd-Interface To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 8 Dec 94 11:45:17 GMT In-Reply-To: <9412081226.ab10288@ax433.mclink.it>; from "Arne Di Russo" at Dec 8, 94 12:26 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 237 Lines: 8 On Thu, 8 Dec 94 12:26:03 CET, Arne Di Russo said: > Please upload everything as .td0 it's the fastest way to get things > back on the SAM. This may be a silly question, but how does one unpack a .td0 file (without a PC)? imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Dec 8 12:55:55 1994 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Quazar Surround Date: Thu, 8 Dec 94 13:51:45 CET From: Arne Di Russo Message-Id: <9412081351.aa27140@ax433.mclink.it> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2094 Lines: 58 Hello Colin, > Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 17:11:58 +0100 > From: Colin G Piggot > Subject: Re: Quazar Surround (It's a Z not an S ;-) > > No, it doesnt have a mixer on board, comes down to software. > How it plays the 6 channels as follows: > > 2 channels to Front left, 2 to front right, 1 to rear left, > 1 to rear right. > > If mixing is needed then it's down to the software. So there are 6 DACs and 6 analog outputs on the card? > But, with the screen on, it was playing 2 channels at 15.6kHz. > Although it should be possible to get it playing 4Channels at 15.6Khz. > > Normally only 4 channels will be playing, most probably playing MODS, > (I'm working on a Mod composer/editor at the moment), then you have > 2 channels free incase any extra sound effects are required. Well 4 channels at 15.6Khz is quite good but couldn't you increase this using DMA access? > Now changing the subject slightly.... > > Is this another HD interface? So far we have Si Cooke's one, > and Bob's attempt. Well yes, this is a slightly modified version of an IDE HD-IF developed in the Netherlands for the good old Spectrum... Probably you have seen the msg from slawek@... today, so ask him for more details! (BTW do you really believe Bob will ever be successful with his HD-IF??!! ;-)))) ) > A decent HD and DOS system would be ideal for the sound card, and Not only for the soundcard... :-) > if the proposed Rooksoft/Entropy SIMM board that Si mentioned a > while back comes along the programs that could be produced would > be excellent.... Yeah... I nearly don't dare to think about what I could do with a 4.5MB RAM, 500MB HD SAM... :-) Bye Arne +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | Arne Di Russo Internet..: mc8189@mclink.it (changes after 14/1/95) | | Rome, Italy Fidonet...: 2:335/311.55 and 2:335/21.55 | | Voice.....: ++39/6/56338158 after 9pm CET | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Dec 8 12:56:18 1994 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Teledisk Date: Thu, 8 Dec 94 13:51:01 CET From: Arne Di Russo Message-Id: <9412081351.aa27032@ax433.mclink.it> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1165 Lines: 27 Hello Ian, > Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 12:45:17 +0100 > From: Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk > Subject: Re: Hd-Interface > > This may be a silly question, but how does one unpack a .td0 file > (without a PC)? I'dont think that's possible, (perhaps you have access to a PC-emulator on some other computer?) I thought that everyone who has a SAM and Internet access has access to a PC, too... Well, I wrote a program identical to the Teledisk on SAM in native mode (I mean it does the same thing as Teledisk but the file format is different as I don't know the file format of TD) if you like I can upload it to nvg or mail it here converted in ASCII (it's a short MasterDOS/Basic program) so this one could be used in future for uploading complete SAM disks to nvg... Bye, Arne +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | Arne Di Russo Internet..: mc8189@mclink.it (changes after 14/1/95) | | Rome, Italy Fidonet...: 2:335/311.55 and 2:335/21.55 | | Voice.....: ++39/6/56338158 after 9pm CET | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Dec 8 13:21:22 1994 From: "Doore, Daniel [MIS]" To: dfitzpatrick , sam-users , simonc , DMZ Subject: FW: E-Mail Virus Alert Date: Thu, 08 Dec 94 13:15:00 PST Message-Id: <2EE77728@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 54 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1515 Lines: 54 Dear All. We just got this message in, PLEASE read it, it could be important to you... Dan Doore.. ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- From: "JACKIE RAFFERTY" To: cti-internal@mailbase.ac.uk Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 09:48:04 GMT Subject: Virus Alert through email Cc: tltp-all@mailbase.ac.uk Priority: normal Reply-to: "JACKIE RAFFERTY" Morning All, We had a message yesterday from a colleague in Antwerp about a virus going around that is particularly nasty as it wipes your hard drive if you open it. The Subject field words seem to be either "Good Times", "OOO" or "xxx1". This morning I received a "Good Times" message from someone called Tim Castle. I didn't open it but deleted it after informing our computer services. Of course it could have been a warning about the virus but as I wasn't prepared to open it who is to know. Please warn others. Jackie Jackie Rafferty Centre for Human Service Technology Department of Social Work Studies University of Southampton Southampton SO17 1BJ UK Tel/Fax: +703 592779 Email: jr@chst.soton.ac.uk * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Ian Lovecy Cyfarwyddwr Gwasanaethau Gwybodaeth/ Director of Information Services Prifysgol Cymru, Bangor, University of Wales Ffon/Tel:(0248)382960 Ffacs/Fax:(0248)383826 e-mail: i.c.lovecy@bangor.ac.uk * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From imc Thu Dec 8 13:26:54 1994 Subject: Re: FW: E-Mail Virus Alert To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 8 Dec 94 13:26:54 GMT In-Reply-To: <2EE77728@courier.lmu.ac.uk>; from "Doore, Daniel [MIS]" at Dec 8, 94 1:15 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 672 Lines: 14 On Thu, 08 Dec 94 13:15:00 PST, Doore, Daniel [MIS] said: > We just got this message in, PLEASE read it, it could be important to you... > We had a message yesterday from a colleague in Antwerp about a > virus going around that is particularly nasty as it wipes > your hard drive if you open it. The Subject field words > seem to be either "Good Times", "OOO" or "xxx1". This is an urban legend, i.e. it is not true. A discussion about the very same thing has just been sparked off on our local newsgroup. A CIAC [U.S. DOE's Computer Incident Advisory Capability] advisory has been released stating that the originators of the hoax have owned up. imc From imc Thu Dec 8 13:30:30 1994 Subject: Re: Teledisk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 8 Dec 94 13:30:30 GMT In-Reply-To: <9412081351.aa27032@ax433.mclink.it>; from "Arne Di Russo" at Dec 8, 94 1:51 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 475 Lines: 13 On Thu, 8 Dec 94 13:51:01 CET, Arne Di Russo said: > I thought that everyone who has a SAM and > Internet access has access to a PC, too... Clearly not. Therefore, if unpacking a .td0 disk requires a PC, then it clearly isn't the most convenient method for distributing Sam software, unless the original files are supplied as well. The original files (in zip or tar.gz format) would be most convenient as far as I'm concerned. imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Dec 8 13:30:56 1994 From: Nigel J Kettlewell Message-Id: <13342.199412081324@granite> Subject: Re: FW: E-Mail Virus Alert To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 13:24:14 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <2EE77728@courier.lmu.ac.uk> from "Doore, Daniel [MIS]" at Dec 8, 94 13:15:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1026 Lines: 29 > Morning All, > > We had a message yesterday from a colleague in Antwerp about a > virus going around that is particularly nasty as it wipes > your hard drive if you open it. The Subject field words > seem to be either "Good Times", "OOO" or "xxx1". I'm sorry, but I cannot believe this. How on earth is reading a message supposed to wipe your hard drive? It's not as it's a binary executable, and even if it was, that would only apply to certain machines, and anyway the mail program isn't going to execute it. > > This morning I received a "Good Times" message from > someone called Tim Castle. I didn't open it but deleted it > after informing our computer services. > > > Of course it could have been a warning about the virus > but as I wasn't prepared to open it who is to know. > Please warn others. Since the text of a message has to be stored somewhere, why not find out where it is (should be easy) and read it with 'more' or something... Am I missing something here? Nige From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Dec 8 13:48:23 1994 From: "Doore, Daniel [MIS]" To: sam-users Subject: Re: FW: E-Mail Virus Alert Date: Thu, 08 Dec 94 13:42:00 PST Message-Id: <2EE77D7A@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 13 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 449 Lines: 13 > I'm sorry, but I cannot believe this. How on earth is reading a message > supposed to wipe your hard drive? It's not as it's a binary executable, and > even if it was, that would only apply to certain machines, and anyway the > mail program isn't going to execute it. I don't believe it either - I reckon it's a hoax (now he tells us) , but that's not the point, I'm just passing on a message - draw your own conclusions. Dan. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Dec 8 13:50:20 1994 From: "Doore, Daniel [MIS]" To: sam-users Subject: RE: (Fwd) Virus Alert (fwd) Date: Thu, 08 Dec 94 13:44:00 PST Message-Id: <2EE77E08@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 17 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 566 Lines: 17 > From: Link, John [IES] > To: Heap, John [CSU]; * All Mail Users *URGENT ONLY* > Subject: RE: (Fwd) Virus Alert (fwd) > Date: 08 December 1994 13:36 > > This message is a hoax. A virus cannot possibly be transmitted > in an email message as no program is executed when the message > is read. Worms can be transmitted via email but not viruses. > If you read the latest bulletin in the virus discussion group > on the internet you will get confirmation that this message is > a hoax. > john link Ha! thought so. Dan. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Dec 8 13:52:38 1994 From: Nigel J Kettlewell Message-Id: <13866.199412081348@granite> Subject: Re: FW: E-Mail Virus Alert To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 13:48:43 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <2EE77D7A@courier.lmu.ac.uk> from "Doore, Daniel [MIS]" at Dec 8, 94 13:42:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 660 Lines: 21 > > I'm sorry, but I cannot believe this. How on earth is reading a message > > supposed to wipe your hard drive? It's not as it's a binary executable, > and > > even if it was, that would only apply to certain machines, and anyway the > > mail program isn't going to execute it. > > I don't believe it either - I reckon it's a hoax (now he tells us) , but > that's not > the point, I'm just passing on a message - draw your own conclusions. Yeah, but if everybody "just passed on the message" every time somenbody mailed a hoax/outright lie then the whole net would come crashing down, filled up with b*llocks. > > Dan. > Nige From imc Thu Dec 8 13:54:16 1994 Subject: Re: FW: E-Mail Virus Alert To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 8 Dec 94 13:54:16 GMT In-Reply-To: <2EE77D7A@courier.lmu.ac.uk>; from "Doore, Daniel [MIS]" at Dec 8, 94 1:42 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 467 Lines: 11 On Thu, 08 Dec 94 13:42:00 PST, Doore, Daniel [MIS] said: > I don't believe it either - I reckon it's a hoax (now he tells us) , but > that's not > the point, I'm just passing on a message - draw your own conclusions. What's the point of passing on a hoax message? By doing that you waste time and money. That message is itself a "virus" of sorts, as it duplicates and disperses copies of itself with a bit of help from the people who read it... imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Dec 8 14:09:27 1994 Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 15:02:30 +0100 X400-Originator: cgp@st-andrews.ac.uk X400-Recipients: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/;<6016.9412081402@pasta.st-andrew] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: Re: Quazar Su... From: Colin G Piggot Message-Id: <6016.9412081402@pasta.st-andrews.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Quazar Surround Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 302 Lines: 12 > From: Arne Di Russo > >So there are 6 DACs and 6 analog outputs on the card? No, there are 4 analogue outputs, 2 are mixed and go to front left another 2 are mixed and go to the front right 1 goes to the rear left and 1 goes to the rear right speaker. Bye, Colin. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Dec 8 14:13:54 1994 Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 14:08:39 +0100 Message-Id: <94120814083925@bsvms.staffs.ac.uk> From: cm3hdlt@bs41.staffs.ac.uk (It wasn't the cough that carried him off, it was the coffin they carried him off in!) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Vms-To: SAM Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 287 Lines: 12 >On Thu, 8 Dec 94 12:26:03 CET, Arne Di Russo said: >> Please upload everything as .td0 it's the fastest way to get things >> back on the SAM. > >This may be a silly question, but how does one unpack a .td0 file (without a >PC)? > >imc Bloody good point! Lord Blackadder. From imc Thu Dec 8 14:16:22 1994 Subject: Re: Quazar Surround To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 8 Dec 94 14:16:22 GMT In-Reply-To: <6016.9412081402@pasta.st-andrews.ac.uk>; from "Colin G Piggot" at Dec 8, 94 3:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 303 Lines: 9 On Thu, 8 Dec 1994 15:02:30 +0100, Colin G Piggot said: > No, there are 4 analogue outputs, 2 are mixed and go to front left > another 2 are mixed and go to the front right > 1 goes to the rear left > and 1 goes to the rear right speaker. So what happens if I haven't got 4 speakers?... imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Dec 8 14:21:33 1994 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: New SAM hardware designed -- and put into PD To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 14:16:28 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1311 Lines: 41 Hi there everyone... For those lucky people out there who have two SAMs at home, I've got something you might like -- a widget called the BusMaster. Basically, it plugs in the back of both SAMs and allows one to control the other. Currently, it uses ports C0-C4, doing the following: C0 -- IO Action C1 -- Memory action C2 -- Control port C3 -- Address lsb C4 -- Address msb Control port bits: 0 -- BUS Request line to slave SAM 1 -- NMI line to slave SAM 2 -- RESET line to slave SAM. The idea is that you set the bus request, the set up an address in the address lsb and msb ports. The you read or write from the IO or memory port (depending on whether you want the IO port or memory addressing on the slave SAM), and bob's your uncle. It's effectively what they use in PDS systems. I'll be using it to program the MultiROM (and it should speed things up a fair bit!) It uses 10 chips, namely a hex inverter (04), two quad OR's (32), a 1-8 line decoder (138), three octal d-type latches (374's I think), a dual single directional buffer (274) and a bidirectional one (275)... and some other buffer.. can't remember what though. Fits on a standard SAM board as well... If anyone wants the postscript (A3 size) schematic for it, let me know... Si Cooke From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Dec 8 14:41:28 1994 From: "Doore, Daniel [MIS]" To: sam-users Subject: Re: FW: E-Mail Virus Alert Date: Thu, 08 Dec 94 14:24:00 PST Message-Id: <2EE78773@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 24 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 864 Lines: 24 > What's the point of passing on a hoax message? I have seen some really nasty things happen to peoples machines because of viruses, trojans and such like and with something like this it's a case of better safe than sorry - because it will be YOU moaning if it were true. Admittedly I was a bit premature in posting it (it vanished from by outbox before I could retrieve it.) but there *is* some nasty shit being posted around the newsgroups and mail so be warned. > Yeah, but if everybody "just passed on the message" every time somebody > mailed a hoax/outright lie then the whole net would come crashing down, > filled up with b*llocks. There is more chance of 'filling up the net' if you don't delete some reply lines. :-) Anyway apologies to all you dial up dudes (before Brian G. says it :-) ) for filling your inboxs. Dan. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Dec 8 14:45:21 1994 From: "Doore, Daniel [MIS]" To: sam-users Subject: Re: Quazar Surround Date: Thu, 08 Dec 94 14:37:00 PST Message-Id: <2EE78A5B@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 11 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 146 Lines: 11 > So what happens if I haven't got 4 speakers?... You go out and buy some. Next question for the Oracle please ;-) Dan. > imc > From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Dec 8 15:07:57 1994 From: "Doore, Daniel [MIS]" To: sam-users Subject: More on virus stuff.... Date: Thu, 08 Dec 94 14:51:00 PST Message-Id: <2EE78DB5@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 18 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 871 Lines: 18 The systems man in our place says: '[This type of Email] may or may not be a virus. I cannot possibly know, nor the people on VIRUS-L. However there are quite a few documented cases of damage being caused by rogue email. Most unix systems have DEC compatible keyboards connected, and one famous mail message consisted of unprintable control codes that redefined the keyboard, so that a particular key would send a string of characters to the host ( usually cd / and rm -r * ) if you were root or a privileged user then damage would occur. Microsoft mail and Lotus CCmail are two of the most common mail programs installed on PCs, both these mail programs allow for custom messages, ie Schedule Plus, message acceptance, It is possible to write ( using simple Visual basic ) specific message types that could do damage.' Dan. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Dec 8 16:25:01 1994 From: "Doore, Daniel [MIS]" To: sam-users Subject: Evil E-Mail Date: Thu, 08 Dec 94 16:09:00 PST Message-Id: <2EE7A00F@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 10 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 357 Lines: 10 I would just like to say that we here in the office have just cobbled together a mail message that will format you hard disc when you try to open the Word document that you think is in it. As far as I know this will only work with Microsoft Mail, and it doesn't do damage when you open it (the message that is), but it proves the theory. Dan. From imc Thu Dec 8 16:38:34 1994 Subject: Re: Evil E-Mail To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 8 Dec 94 16:38:34 GMT In-Reply-To: <2EE7A00F@courier.lmu.ac.uk>; from "Doore, Daniel [MIS]" at Dec 8, 94 4:09 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 1531 Lines: 28 On Thu, 08 Dec 94 16:09:00 PST, Doore, Daniel [MIS] said: > I would just like to say that we here in the office have just > cobbled together a mail message that will format you hard disc > when you try to open the Word document that you think is in it. Well that's different. It is equally possible to write a file that does nasty things when you edit it with emacs. But it is not possible to write a piece of mail that does somthing nasty when you just read it, unless you have an insecure mail reader (such as emacs or Word, neither of which I would like to have anything to do with). As for sending controls to remap your keyboard, well... I personally do not believe it. You can remap my keyboard by connecting to my X server (which you can't without access to my .Xauthority file), but not by writing characters on my screen. Even if there is such a thing as a keyboard that you can remap, then in all likelyhood your control characters would be filtered out long before they reached my screen. And if someone can remap your keyboard just by writing some control characters to your display then you have big problems aside from receiving strange mail messages. Someone could put them there directly with a write or a talk message, and you don't even get a warning about that. It reminds me of a very early version of VM/CMS, where you could use MSG to give someone a modified, invisible input field containing a command. They press Enter and zap! This was fixed rather quickly... imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Dec 8 17:22:03 1994 Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 18:14:43 +0100 X400-Originator: cgp@st-andrews.ac.uk X400-Recipients: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/;<9718.9412081714@pasta.st-andrew] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: Re: Quazar Su... From: Colin G Piggot Message-Id: <9718.9412081714@pasta.st-andrews.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Quazar Surround Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 374 Lines: 11 Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk says: > > So what happens if I haven't got 4 speakers?... The sound card has registers the software can read to see how many pairs of speakers are connected (and other useful information), so if you have only one pair connected the code can modify itself. But of course, 4 speakers are best so you get the surround effect. Colin. From imc Thu Dec 8 17:27:21 1994 Subject: Re: Quazar Surround To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 8 Dec 94 17:27:21 GMT In-Reply-To: <9718.9412081714@pasta.st-andrews.ac.uk>; from "Colin G Piggot" at Dec 8, 94 6:14 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 525 Lines: 13 On Thu, 8 Dec 1994 18:14:43 +0100, Colin G Piggot said: > The sound card has registers the software can read to see how many pairs > of speakers are connected (and other useful information), so if you have > only one pair connected the code can modify itself. This strikes me as dodgy for two reasons... 1. How can I rely on software writers to do this? 2. What are you meant to do if you want to play 6 channels of sound and you find out that only 2 speakers are connected? Miss 2 of them out? imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Dec 9 10:47:33 1994 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 11:33:09 +0100 X400-Originator: cgp@st-andrews.ac.uk X400-Recipients: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/;<15893.9412091033@pasta.st-andre] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: Re: Quazar Su... From: Colin G Piggot Message-Id: <15893.9412091033@pasta.st-andrews.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Quazar Surround Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 358 Lines: 10 imc wrote: > 2. What are you meant to do if you want to play 6 channels of sound and > you find out that only 2 speakers are connected? Miss 2 of them out? One thing i forgot to say, the software could do mixing, i'm been in touch with another programmer about 8 channel mods, software mixing would be required for playing these. Colin. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Dec 9 10:48:27 1994 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 11:31:19 +0100 X400-Originator: cgp@st-andrews.ac.uk X400-Recipients: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/;<15852.9412091031@pasta.st-andre] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: Re: Quazar Su... From: Colin G Piggot Message-Id: <15852.9412091031@pasta.st-andrews.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Quazar Surround Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1843 Lines: 44 Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk says: > > The sound card has registers the software can read to see how many pairs > > of speakers are connected (and other useful information), so if you have > > only one pair connected the code can modify itself. > > This strikes me as dodgy for two reasons... > > 1. How can I rely on software writers to do this? Well, to begin with, I am writing all the main software so i will ensure this is the case, such as the sample studio and all the other bits 'n bobs. As for other programmers, well this will all be EMPHASISED (!) in the programming information, but as you say, how can software writers be relied apon to do this... tough question! > 2. What are you meant to do if you want to play 6 channels of sound and > you find out that only 2 speakers are connected? Miss 2 of them out? At the moment thats how it stands, miss out the 2 rear channels, but at the present moment, the sam is only capable of playing 4 channels with the screen on with some time left over. MOD is going to become a type of 'standard', they are 4 channels anyway... but of course the other 2 channels would be needed for sound effects. I get your point... but then again, the card is designed for surround. Look at all the sound software and demos and that that needed the Blue Alpha Sampler, they could have easily had code to squirt it as 4 bit through the SAA1099, but they didn't. (Except a few of the AJ Incorporates disks did this...) (And you can pick up a pair of amplified speakers quite cheaply these days...) (I may look into a cheap 4 speaker amplifier system....) Anyway, thanks for the comments.... By the way, what type of software do you think could put the sound card to good use? games? music sequencers? Just looking for ideas..... Colin. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Dec 9 11:50:16 1994 Message-Id: From: gaw-a@minster.york.ac.uk (Mars Bar) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 11:27:58 +0000 In-Reply-To: D.J.Doore -- "More on virus stuff...." (Dec 8, 2:51pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92 (ORBIT)) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: More on virus stuff.... Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1479 Lines: 34 On Dec 8, 2:51pm in "More on virus stuff....", you warbled: ] ] The systems man in our place says: ] ] of damage being caused by rogue email. Most unix systems have DEC ] compatible keyboards connected, and one famous mail message consisted of ] unprintable control codes that redefined the keyboard, so that a particular ] key would send a string of characters to the host ( usually cd / ] and rm -r * ) if you were root or a privileged user then damage would occur. Oh christ. Anyone who reads mail as a priveledged user is ASKING for it. Get real. ] Microsoft mail and Lotus CCmail are two of the most common mail programs ] installed on PCs, both these mail programs allow for custom messages, ie ] Schedule Plus, message acceptance, It is possible to write ( using simple ] Visual basic ) specific message types that could do damage.' Ok then. DON'T USE THEM. This is a major problem with PCs - the software authors are so fucking clever they think that everyone else is stupid - so they make it so that you don't have any say as to what the software does any more. NO program should run another program without your knowledge. In a way, if the above is true, CCmail and MSMail are violating the Data Protection Act, by allowing others unauthorised access to your system. If they have an option of disallowing this function, then all well and good. If not, I wouldn't touch them with a 100ft bargepole. Geoff From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Dec 9 11:54:21 1994 Message-Id: From: gaw-a@minster.york.ac.uk (Mars Bar) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 11:32:18 +0000 In-Reply-To: Ian.Collier -- "Re: Evil E-Mail" (Dec 8, 5:38pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92 (ORBIT)) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Evil E-Mail Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 591 Lines: 14 On Dec 8, 5:38pm in "Re: Evil E-Mail", you warbled: ] And if someone can remap your keyboard just by writing some control ] characters to your display then you have big problems aside from receiving ] strange mail messages. Someone could put them there directly with a write ] or a talk message, and you don't even get a warning about that. Yep. It has been done. It's quite complex, but here on our X system it's possible to place characters in the keyboard buffer on someone's xterm so they give you their account, simply by writing to the xterm. X? Great, huh? Geoff From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Dec 9 12:26:14 1994 From: P.A.Finn-SE2@computer-science.birmingham.ac.uk Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 13:19:56 +0100 X400-Originator: P.A.Finn-SE2@computer-science.birmingham.ac.uk X400-Recipients: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/;<25381.9412091219@mother.cs.bham] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: Re: FW: E-Mai... Message-Id: <25381.9412091219@mother.cs.bham.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: FW: E-Mail Virus Alert Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 208 Lines: 6 Apparently this virus was a complete hoax. It was created by a (dare I say it) KISS fan (Good Times is an old song), it is also known as 'Destroyer', but as I said it is now believed to be a hoax. From imc Fri Dec 9 13:05:28 1994 Subject: Re: Quazar Surround To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 9 Dec 94 13:05:28 GMT In-Reply-To: <15893.9412091033@pasta.st-andrews.ac.uk>; from "Colin G Piggot" at Dec 9, 94 11:33 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 751 Lines: 16 On Fri, 9 Dec 1994 11:33:09 +0100, Colin G Piggot said: > One thing i forgot to say, the software could do mixing, i'm been in touch > with another programmer about 8 channel mods, software mixing would be > required for playing these. What do you mean? Is it that the software takes the average of two or more 8-bit quantities and then outputs them to one channel? (It would make the program a lot slower). Does the circuit contain anything for timing? For example a custom interrupt or a DMA or a buffer that you can fill up and wait for it to empty. It would be much easier than fiddling with line interrupts and so on to get the accurate timing from within the machine code. It would also make faster rates possible. imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Dec 9 14:53:28 1994 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 15:47:00 +0100 X400-Originator: cgp@st-andrews.ac.uk X400-Recipients: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/;<21459.9412091447@pasta.st-andre] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: Re: Quazar Su... From: Colin G Piggot Message-Id: <21459.9412091447@pasta.st-andrews.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Quazar Surround Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 769 Lines: 19 > What do you mean? Is it that the software takes the average of two or more > 8-bit quantities and then outputs them to one channel? Mixing would only be used when dealing with more that 6 channels... > Does the circuit contain anything for timing? For example a custom > interrup or a DMA or a buffer To begin with interrupts, such as code similar to the burstplayers are more than adequate to begin with. Timing is up to the software, making the card as flexible as possible. As for DMA and that, ideas are on the drawing board for an plug in expansion late next year. The objective is to make the card low cost, too high a price and many people will be detered from it, thats why the sampler is a plug in module which is seperate. Colin. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Dec 9 16:26:27 1994 From: Frode.Tennebo@hiMolde.no Message-Id: <199412091554.AA04146@lyr.hiMolde.no> Subject: Re: Quazar Surround To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 16:54:51 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <15852.9412091031@pasta.st-andrews.ac.uk> from "Colin G Piggot" at Dec 9, 94 11:31:19 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 646 Lines: 20 > By the way, what type of software do you think could put the sound card > to good use? games? music sequencers? Just looking for ideas..... How about DOOM? But...this game is nothing hadn't it been for the sound. But the question is: If you use four channels, how much free time is there per frame to do cool graphics in? > > Colin. > > -- ^ One To-day is Worth Two To-morrows (Ben Franklin) ^ | ....or: One To-morrow is Worth a Quarter of One Yester-day... | | Frode Tennebo | email: frodet@hiMolde.no | | Parkv. 31, 6400 Molde, NORWAY | http://www.hiMolde.no/~frodet | | Phone: +47 712 57716 | Luke@IRC | From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Dec 9 17:00:37 1994 From: "Doore, Daniel [MIS]" To: sam-users Subject: Re: Quazar Surround Date: Fri, 09 Dec 94 16:42:00 PST Message-Id: <2EE8F94D@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 41 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1307 Lines: 41 > > By the way, what type of software do you think could put the sound card > > to good use? games? music sequencers? Just looking for ideas..... > > How about DOOM? But...this game is nothing hadn't it been for > the sound. Are you serious? Now I'm not going to bang on as to how good Doom is because we all know that mindless violence is good providing all you are hoofing is pixels. But having played Doom with and without sound I can say that there is not much difference. Except you can Doom in a crowded office a bit easier with no sound :-) Anyway I digress, I was reading an article from a Doom newslist in that a user was playing Doom ][ using a GUS card, four speakers and a blindfold, using the sound directions to guess where the gadgers were. Cool. Dan. > But the question is: If you use four channels, how much free > time is there per frame to do cool graphics in? > > > > Colin. > > > > > > > -- > ^ One To-day is Worth Two To-morrows (Ben Franklin) ^ > | ....or: One To-morrow is Worth a Quarter of One Yester-day... | > | Frode Tennebo | email: frodet@hiMolde.no | > | Parkv. 31, 6400 Molde, NORWAY | http://www.hiMolde.no/~frodet | > | Phone: +47 712 57716 | Luke@IRC | > From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Dec 9 18:16:01 1994 From: Frode.Tennebo@hiMolde.no Message-Id: <199412091811.AA05637@lyr.hiMolde.no> Subject: Re: Quazar Surround To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 19:11:37 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <2EE8F94D@courier.lmu.ac.uk> from "Doore, Daniel [MIS]" at Dec 9, 94 04:42:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 856 Lines: 26 > > > > > By the way, what type of software do you think could put the sound card > > > to good use? games? music sequencers? Just looking for ideas..... > > > > How about DOOM? But...this game is nothing hadn't it been for > > the sound. > > Are you serious? No, it was a joke. But a bashing-game would be nice. Besides, the other thing about DOOM was the net-playing- feature which could be done also on a sam. > > But the question is: If you use four channels, how much free > > time is there per frame to do cool graphics in? Still holds. -- ^ One To-day is Worth Two To-morrows (Ben Franklin) ^ | ....or: One To-morrow is Worth a Quarter of One Yester-day... | | Frode Tennebo | email: frodet@hiMolde.no | | Parkv. 31, 6400 Molde, NORWAY | http://www.hiMolde.no/~frodet | | Phone: +47 712 57716 | Luke@IRC | From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Dec 9 21:03:01 1994 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Quazar Surround To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 20:58:27 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <21459.9412091447@pasta.st-andrews.ac.uk> from "Colin G Piggot" at Dec 9, 94 03:47:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 664 Lines: 14 > > > What do you mean? Is it that the software takes the average of two or more > > 8-bit quantities and then outputs them to one channel? > > Mixing would only be used when dealing with more that 6 channels... As an idea, how about piping the output of the surround-sound channels through an analogue switch, so depending on how it's set, the channels are added to the others using a resistor or not... that way it'd be really easy to do it and keep all versions compatible without worry about software overheads... should cost 2 pounds at most for the chip -- a 4066 should do (or so I am told by my erstwhile companion, Martin Rookyard) Si From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Dec 9 21:13:29 1994 Date: Fri, 09 Dec 1994 20:42:48 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <5535@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Keyboard membranes X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 214 Lines: 10 Bob Says the key tails are too short anyway, and thats a lot to do with the prob. We are left with what really is an issue one load of keyboards! Bob has been in Wales. Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Dec 9 21:13:31 1994 Date: Fri, 09 Dec 1994 20:53:32 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <5536@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Hd-Interface X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 473 Lines: 18 In message <9412081145.AA26242@booth5.ecs.ox.ac.uk> Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk writes: > On Thu, 8 Dec 94 12:26:03 CET, Arne Di Russo said: > > Please upload everything as .td0 it's the fastest way to get things > > back on the SAM. > > This may be a silly question, but how does one unpack a .td0 file (without a > PC)? > > imc > > Perhaps one finds a PC user and bribes him/her to do it and give him the disc? Brian :-) -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Dec 9 21:13:54 1994 Date: Fri, 09 Dec 1994 20:57:48 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <5537@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: FW: E-Mail Virus Alert X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 165 Lines: 7 There have been some ANSI mail bombs sent recently on BBs. Not sure how they work, but they type something in. Anyone know? Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Dec 9 21:14:03 1994 Date: Fri, 09 Dec 1994 21:02:01 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <5538@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Quazar Surround X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 313 Lines: 20 In message <2EE78A5B@courier.lmu.ac.uk> "Doore, Daniel [MIS]" writes: > > > So what happens if I haven't got 4 speakers?... > > You go out and buy some. Oh goody, I sell speakers! > > Next question for the Oracle please ;-) > > Dan. > > > imc > > > > Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sat Dec 10 12:07:39 1994 Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 13:03:49 +0100 X400-Originator: cgp@st-andrews.ac.uk X400-Recipients: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/;<149.9412101203@pasta.st-andrews] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: Re: Quazar Su... From: Colin G Piggot Message-Id: <149.9412101203@pasta.st-andrews.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Quazar Surround Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 511 Lines: 15 Frode Tennebo says: > But the question is: If you use four channels, how much free > time is there per frame to do cool graphics in? Hmmm... i'll be conducting speed tests soon.... > How about DOOM? But...this game is nothing hadn't it been for > the sound. I have plans for a 3d type game.... (only plans just now), but it would be the standard 90 degree turns, with cool effects such as hearing if anything is coming behind you or any direction (if you have 4 speakers that is...) Colin. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sat Dec 10 12:07:55 1994 Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 13:00:36 +0100 X400-Originator: cgp@st-andrews.ac.uk X400-Recipients: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/;<136.9412101200@pasta.st-andrews] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: Re: Quazar Su... From: Colin G Piggot Message-Id: <136.9412101200@pasta.st-andrews.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Quazar Surround Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 979 Lines: 22 Si Cooke says: > As an idea, how about piping the output of the surround-sound channels > through an analogue switch, so depending on how it's set, the channels are > added to the others using a resistor or not... that way it'd be really easy > to do it and keep all versions compatible without worry about software > overheads... should cost 2 pounds at most for the chip -- a 4066 should do > (or so I am told by my erstwhile companion, Martin Rookyard) No need, just fixed the problem, using the switches in the sockets for speakers, (plus 2 resistors totalling 6p for the extra mixing!) I can now announce that if you have only TWO speakers, 3 channels will come out each, ie left speaker will have front left and rear left channels, and for the right speaker you will have front right and rear right channels. if you have 4 then same as before, 2 channels to front left, 2 to front right 1 to rear left and 1 to rear right. Okay now Ian? Colin. From postmaster%centron%centron.com@dorothy.ibmpcug.co.uk Sat Dec 10 16:12:06 1994 From: Johnathan Taylor Date: 09 Dec 94 20:02:57 +0000 Subject: WAV file format msg Message-Id: <5a9_9412101542@centron.com> Organization: CC-NET BBS To: Ian.Collier@uk.ac.oxford.comlab Status: RO Content-Length: 5978 Lines: 117 Less the IBM Hi-Ascii characters:-) ======================================================================== Forwarded here by Johnathan Taylor (2:2501/307.9) ======================================================================== Area: BOFFINS Date: 23 Nov 94 18:37:28 Public From: Steven Green To: Colin Greaves Subject: .WAV files ======================================================================== In a message of <21 Nov 94 14:32:00>, Colin Greaves (2:250/109) writes: > Looking at the header on the WAV files, it is possible to determine > the format of the file as follows: Close... but here is some more info extracted from the Games Programmer's Encyclopedia, which is available for download or ftp from many places around the world as PCGPE*.ZIP ... replace * with a version number. Sorry, but it also includes high ascii characters for all the boxes probably breaking this echo's rules, but I've got better things to do than to edit it. WAV files use the RIFF file structure. The RIFF format was designed for multi-media purposes. A RIFF files consists of a number of "chunks": +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Byte Length | | Offset Name (in bytes) Description | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | 00h rID 4h Contains the characters "RIFF" | | 04h rLen 4h The length of the data in the next chunk | | 08h rData rLen The data chunk | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +--------------------------+------------------------------------------------ | The WAVE Form Definition | +--------------------------+ The rData chunk in a WAV file is split up into several further chunks: +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | rData | | Byte Length | | Offset Name (in bytes) Description | +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | 00h wID 4h Contains the characters "WAVE" | | 04h Format 14h Contains data which specifies the format | | Chunk of the Data in the Data Chunk | | 18h WAVE Data ? Contains the WAV audio data | | Chunk | +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- | The Format Chunk | +------------------+ The Format Chunk is split up into these fields: +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Format | | Chunk Length | | Offset Name (in bytes) Description | +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | 00h fId 4 Contains the characters "fmt" | | 04h fLen 4 Length of data in the format chunk | | 08h wFormatTag 2 * | | 0Ah nChannels 2 Number of channels, 1=mono, 2=stereo | | 0Ch nSamplesPerSec 2 Playback frequency | | 0Eh nAvgBytesPerSec 2 ** | | 10h nBlockAlign 2 *** | | 12h FormatSpecific 2 Format specific data area | +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ * The wFormatTag specifies the wave format, eg 1 = Pulse Code Modulation (or in plain english, regular 8 bit sampled uncompressed sound) ** Indicates the average number of bytes a second the data should be transferred at = nChannels * nSamplesPerSec * (nBitsPerSample / 8) *** Indicates the block alignment of the data in the data chunk. Software needs to process a multiplt of nBlockAlign at a time. nBlockAlign = nChannels * (nBitsPerSample / 8) +----------------+----------------------------------------------------------- | The Data Chunk | +----------------+ The Data Chunk is split up into these fields: +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Data | | Chunk Length | | Offset Name (in bytes) Description | +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | 00h dId 4 Contains the characters "data" | | 02h dLen 4 Length of data in the dData field | | 00h dData dLen The actual waveform data | +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ In mono 8-bit files each byte represents one sample. In stereo 8-bit files two bytes are stored for each sample, the first byte is the left channel value, the next is the right channel value. -+- JetMail 0.99beta9 + Origin: My Little Reborn Phoney, +44-1454-883624 (FidOnet 2:255/67)  -- |Fidonet: Johnathan Taylor 2:2501/307.9 |Internet: jet@centron.com | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Dec 12 07:04:22 1994 From: Johnathan Taylor Date: 11 Dec 94 05:51:01 +0000 Message-Id: <988_9412120658@centron.com> Organization: CC-NET BBS To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1397 Lines: 43 On (08 Dec 94) cm3hdlt@bs41.staffs.ac.uk wrote to All... > From: "It wasn't the cough that carried him off, it was the coffin they > carried him off in!" Sigh... oh so funny... NOT! >On Thu, 8 Dec 94 12:26:03 CET, Arne Di Russo said: >> Please upload everything as .td0 it's the fastest way to get things >> back on the SAM. >This may be a silly question, but how does one unpack a .td0 file (without > a PC)? >imc > Bloody good point! > Lord Blackadder. HA HA HA HA! The penny must have finally dropped at last! Or at least it should've by now;-) This is THE reason why I was going on about a SAM-NATIVE version of LHARC as even without compression it would at least allow ALL of the SAM's file-types to be stored within it and NOT lose any of the directory info at all!.... If the LZH archive was treated as a feature-less stream of data ie an opentype file then any number of files could be stored within it and even 256k sam users could handle 780k archives! It'd basically be the equivilent of the old Speccy .P-file serializer but not be restricted by the available ram.  ... Wanna Laugh???? I know somone who actually paid real money for a PC!!! -- |Fidonet: Johnathan Taylor 2:2501/307.9 |Internet: jet@centron.com | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Dec 12 14:11:51 1994 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: FRED 51 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 14:08:08 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 170 Lines: 5 Can anyone let me know what's on it this month, as the editor seems to have forgotten to (a) pay me for the text reader and (b) send me a copy of it. Ta, Si Cooke From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Dec 12 14:41:30 1994 From: "Doore, Daniel [MIS]" To: sam-users Cc: simonc Subject: RE: FRED 51 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 94 14:25:00 PST Message-Id: <2EECCD98@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 15 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 384 Lines: 15 > Can anyone let me know what's on it this month, as the editor seems to have > forgotten to (a) pay me for the text reader and (b) send me a copy of it. Beats me, someone has neglected to send me a copy either, could this be the result of the 'New Order' to Fred? Oh yes, someone _Please_ mail me a copy of Fred50 as my copy's shagged. Dan. > Ta, > Si Cooke > From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Dec 12 14:46:32 1994 From: P.A.Finn-SE2@computer-science.birmingham.ac.uk Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 15:42:37 +0100 X400-Originator: P.A.Finn-SE2@computer-science.birmingham.ac.uk X400-Recipients: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/;<28096.9412121442@mb4.cs.bham.ac] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: FRED 43 Message-Id: <28096.9412121442@mb4.cs.bham.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: FRED 43 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 291 Lines: 5 Apparently a disk has arrived at home with FRED 43 on it (I didn't order it) has anyone else received one??? I havn't bought an issue of FRED since number 18 :-) Either Mr M felt sorry for me or he's trying to give FRED a push, either way he can keep sending me freebie if he likes!!! From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Dec 12 16:01:00 1994 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 16:53:45 +0100 X400-Originator: cgp@st-andrews.ac.uk X400-Recipients: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/;<22104.9412121553@pasta.st-andre] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: RE: FRED 51 From: Colin G Piggot Message-Id: <22104.9412121553@pasta.st-andrews.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: RE: FRED 51 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 138 Lines: 5 > Oh yes, someone _Please_ mail me a copy of Fred50 as my copy's shagged. Snap, apparently most Fred 50's are corrupt..... Colin. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Dec 12 16:07:32 1994 From: Tim Paveley Message-Id: <4817.9412121603@whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Corrupt FRED 50's To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 16:03:33 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <22104.9412121553@pasta.st-andrews.ac.uk> from "Colin G Piggot" at Dec 12, 94 04:53:45 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 327 Lines: 13 To Quote Colin G Piggot : > > Snap, apparently most Fred 50's are corrupt..... Mine had sector errors on just about every track. Sent it back to FRED and got a nice spanking working one. Probably the easyist way to get it sorted. Tim -- Sam WWW Pages: http://whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~tsp93/Coupe/home.html From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Dec 13 12:07:41 1994 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 13:04:17 +0100 (MET) From: Arnt Gulbrandsen To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Administrivia Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 655 Lines: 13 Folks, do me a favour. I've just been off the net for a few days, and returned to 206 messages (not including mailing list mail). Some of that is really not necessary to bother me about. Real mail I say yes to, boring routine work I say no to. If someone wishes to subscribe to sam-users, he or she can simply send a message to sam-users-request@nvg.unit.no saying "subscribe", the subject doesn't matter. To leave, a message to the same address saying "unsubscribe" works swell. Asking someone already else to send in a request results in another message in my mailbox, as does subscription requests sent to the list itself. --Arnt From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Dec 13 12:09:48 1994 From: "Doore, Daniel [MIS]" To: sam-users Subject: FW: FTP Hassles Date: Tue, 13 Dec 94 09:02:00 PST Message-Id: <2EEDFDB0@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 20 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 678 Lines: 20 We still can't get into nvg.unit.no..... -- > There has been a breakthrough, we now can get in but as soon as we login -- > as 'anonymous' or 'ftp' or 'guest' it chucks us out. -- -- Shoudn't be a problem. Ar you running ident? Try ncftp. I tried again. We are running NcFTP. I don't know what ident is, but I imagine it has something to do an info server we should be running to give out details to other machines we are trying to log on to. This norway place probably won't allow uploads from machines not telling them who they are. (stops me loading porn and pirate software on there, not that I would (disclaimer for net cops) jamie c/o Dan From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Dec 13 13:11:04 1994 From: Frode.Tennebo@hiMolde.no Message-Id: <199412131307.AA28060@lyr.hiMolde.no> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 14:07:55 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 886 Lines: 26 HI! Just a small message to you all to say * *** ***** ********* ************* ******* ********* ************* ***************** ::: ::: \:::/ MERRY XMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR! -- ^ One To-day is Worth Two To-morrows (Ben Franklin) ^ | ....or: One To-morrow is Worth a Quarter of One Yester-day... | | Frode Tennebo | email: frodet@hiMolde.no | | Parkv. 31, 6400 Molde, NORWAY | http://www.hiMolde.no/~frodet | | Phone: +47 712 57716 | Luke@IRC | From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Dec 13 15:59:39 1994 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Nvg Problems Date: Tue, 13 Dec 94 16:54:02 CET From: Arne Di Russo Message-Id: <9412131654.aa14407@ax433.mclink.it> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1575 Lines: 40 Hello Daniel, > From: "Doore, Daniel [MIS]" > Subject: FW: FTP Hassles > Date: Tue, 13 Dec 94 09:02:00 PST > > > We still can't get into nvg.unit.no..... > > -- > There has been a breakthrough, we now can get in but as soon as we > login > -- > as 'anonymous' or 'ftp' or 'guest' it chucks us out. > -- > -- Shoudn't be a problem. Ar you running ident? Try ncftp. > > I tried again. We are running NcFTP. I don't know what ident is, but I > imagine it > has something to do an info server we should be running to give out > details to > other machines we are trying to log on to. This norway place probably > won't allow uploads from machines not telling them who they are. > (stops me loading porn and pirate software on there, not that I > would (disclaimer for net cops) Once I had a similar problem too. I got the response my IP number was incorrect, but every other time I didn't have any problem. If you like you can send me via uuencoded email everything you wanna upload and I will upload it for you. Also if you like to get some file from there say which and will get it for you. (Well within reasonable quantities... ;-) ) bye, Arne +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | Arne Di Russo Internet..: mc8189@mclink.it (changes after 14/1/95) | | Rome, Italy Fidonet...: 2:335/311.55 and 2:335/21.55 | | Voice.....: ++39/6/56338158 after 9pm CET | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Dec 13 16:21:31 1994 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 22:13:29 +0100 X400-Originator: U9350276@queens-belfast.ac.uk X400-Recipients: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/;<9412131613.AA05313@bot29.causew] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: Digest From: Creature Feature! Message-Id: <9412131613.AA05313@bot29.causeway.qub.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Digest Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 682 Lines: 21 Is the SAM mailing list available in a digest form? And if so.... HOW? I would prefer a digest form as I hate having loads of mail messages from people I don't know! It gets very confusing for me! Was on a Dr. Timothy Leary mailing list once and it wasn't in digest form! Kept getting at least 100 mail messages everytime I logged on! Most of them were boring too! Well most of them! :) THANX! Adios! /> ( //---------------------------------------------------\ (*OXOXOXOXO(*>==R=o=n=a=n==T=h=e==B=a=r=b=a=r=i=a=n================> ( \\---------------------------------------------------/ \> From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Dec 13 17:02:16 1994 From: "Doore, Daniel [MIS]" To: sam-users Subject: Chrimble Shite Part 1, revisited once again for the second coming. Date: Tue, 13 Dec 94 13:18:00 PST Message-Id: <2EEE4248@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 5 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 130 Lines: 5 Before the forum gets too congested or dial-up dudes get really pissy, Happy Crimble. Dan 'Elf Smeller Pursuivant' Doore. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Dec 13 18:52:43 1994 From: "Doore, Daniel [MIS]" To: sam-users Subject: RE: Digest Date: Tue, 13 Dec 94 16:27:00 PST Message-Id: <2EEE5A40@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 39 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1244 Lines: 39 > Is the SAM mailing list available in a digest form? And if so.... HOW? I hope not. This is a living, breathing (well, sort of) forum for discussion, slagging ideas, more slagging and top drawings of chrimble trees by Frode. > I would prefer a digest form as I hate having loads of mail messages from > people I don't know! Thats half the fun, if you want to get yourself known, use it! if you don't, just sit on the sidelines and watch. Putting it in digest form (a la Usenet Oracle) just means you have to wade through a load of stodgy text with no topicality (is that a word?) and usually gets filed in the waste basket. > Was on a Dr. Timothy Leary mailing list once and it wasn't in digest form! Who hell he? > Kept getting at least 100 mail messages everytime I logged on! Most of them > were boring too! Well most of them! :) That is the price you pay I'm afraid. > /> > ( //---------------------------------------------------\ > (*OXOXOXOXO(*>==R=o=n=a=n==T=h=e==B=a=r=b=a=r=i=a=n================> > ( \\---------------------------------------------------/ > \> > I could make a librarian joke, but I won't ;-) Dan Doore From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Dec 13 19:00:21 1994 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 00:55:36 +0100 X400-Originator: U9350276@queens-belfast.ac.uk X400-Recipients: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/;<9412131855.AA06912@bot29.causew] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: RE: RE: Digest From: Creature Feature! Message-Id: <9412131855.AA06912@bot29.causeway.qub.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: RE: RE: Digest Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 734 Lines: 22 OK!!! Point taken!!!! I suppose it is better! It was just that the Dr. Timothy Leary one was very packed! It had loadsa people on it! For those of you who doesn't know Dr. Leary's excellent work on the amazing affects of D'Lysergic Acid (and it's derivatives) on the conscious mind, well I'll give ya one guess what all the mail was about!!!! And the librarian bit would have been nice but it has been done before! Anyway! What's wrong with a stupid sig? /> ( //---------------------------------------------------\ (*OXOXOXOXO(*>==R=o=n=a=n==T=h=e==B=a=r=b=a=r=i=a=n================> ( \\---------------------------------------------------/ \> From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Dec 14 09:06:47 1994 From: "Doore, Daniel [MIS]" To: sam-users Subject: RE: Digest Date: Wed, 14 Dec 94 09:02:00 PST Message-Id: <2EEF24C8@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 19 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 485 Lines: 19 > For those of you who doesn't know Dr. Leary's excellent work on the amazing > affects of D'Lysergic Acid (and it's derivatives) on the conscious mind, well Is he the scuffer who invented MDMA ('E' for all you rave addicts) and tests it on his friends at parties? > And the librarian bit would have been nice but it has been done before! The old ones are the best:) > Anyway! What's wrong with a stupid sig? Nothing! I didn't say it was stupid ;-) Dan. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Dec 14 11:09:11 1994 From: Frode.Tennebo@hiMolde.no Message-Id: <199412141106.AA06494@lyr.hiMolde.no> Subject: Re: Digest To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 12:06:24 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <9412131613.AA05313@bot29.causeway.qub.ac.uk> from "Creature Feature!" at Dec 13, 94 10:13:29 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1027 Lines: 25 > > Is the SAM mailing list available in a digest form? And if so.... HOW? > > I would prefer a digest form as I hate having loads of mail messages from people > I don't know! It gets very confusing for me! > > Was on a Dr. Timothy Leary mailing list once and it wasn't in digest form! > > Kept getting at least 100 mail messages everytime I logged on! Most of them were > boring too! Well most of them! :) > > THANX! Adios! Eh...depends on what you mean. Everything sent to the mailinglist is sent to sam-users@nvg.unit.no and then routed from there. There is also a file at ftp.nvg.unit.no:/pub/sam-coupe/misc/postings/sam-users (i think), but that one is not up to date. I'm leving today. Have a nice xmas! -- ^ One To-day is Worth Two To-morrows (Ben Franklin) ^ | ....or: One To-morrow is Worth a Quarter of One Yester-day... | | Frode Tennebo | email: frodet@hiMolde.no | | Parkv. 31, 6400 Molde, NORWAY | http://www.hiMolde.no/~frodet | | Phone: +47 712 57716 | Luke@IRC | From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Dec 14 11:13:26 1994 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 12:09:09 +0100 X400-Originator: cgp@st-andrews.ac.uk X400-Recipients: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/;<19890.9412141109@pasta.st-andre] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: Re: Amazing G... From: Colin G Piggot Message-Id: <19890.9412141109@pasta.st-andrews.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Amazing Gif Viewer... Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 195 Lines: 6 What version of teledisk is required for interl.td0, i've tried 3 times with the versioin i have, each time the disc writing was successful, but the sam couldn't understand it... Colin. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Dec 14 11:17:57 1994 From: Frode.Tennebo@hiMolde.no Message-Id: <199412141115.AA06614@lyr.hiMolde.no> Subject: Re: Amazing Gif Viewer... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 12:15:30 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <19890.9412141109@pasta.st-andrews.ac.uk> from "Colin G Piggot" at Dec 14, 94 12:09:09 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 641 Lines: 20 > > What version of teledisk is required for interl.td0, i've tried 3 times with > the versioin i have, each time the disc writing was successful, but the sam > couldn't understand it... The latest I think is 212, that the one I used and it works fine with me. Are you sure your disk is ok? > > Colin. > > Ah! But NOW I'm finally off! -- ^ One To-day is Worth Two To-morrows (Ben Franklin) ^ | ....or: One To-morrow is Worth a Quarter of One Yester-day... | | Frode Tennebo | email: frodet@hiMolde.no | | Parkv. 31, 6400 Molde, NORWAY | http://www.hiMolde.no/~frodet | | Phone: +47 712 57716 | Luke@IRC | From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Dec 14 11:21:56 1994 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Amazing Gif Viewer... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 11:18:09 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <19890.9412141109@pasta.st-andrews.ac.uk> from "Colin G Piggot" at Dec 14, 94 12:09:09 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 668 Lines: 17 > > What version of teledisk is required for interl.td0, i've tried 3 times with > the versioin i have, each time the disc writing was successful, but the sam > couldn't understand it... > > Colin. I shouldn't bother -- it's not a GIF viewer, just an RGB displayer. Fakes a 2048 colour screen by splitting the screen data into 16 shades of red, green and blue, and displaying them sequentially down the screen, scrolling the colour up. Looks a bit like a venetian blind though :) It still looks like mine and Andrew Birkett's GIF viewers are the only ones on the SAM then -- although mine is a mess, so I'd ask Andrew for his if I were you!! Si From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Dec 14 11:22:35 1994 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 12:17:32 +0100 X400-Originator: cgp@st-andrews.ac.uk X400-Recipients: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/;<20149.9412141117@pasta.st-andre] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: Re: Amazing G... From: Colin G Piggot Message-Id: <20149.9412141117@pasta.st-andrews.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Amazing Gif Viewer... Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 264 Lines: 10 > The latest I think is 212, that the one I used and it works fine with me. > Are you sure your disk is ok? I used different disks each time, plus both my sam drives are ok. The version i had was dated 1990, not sure about version number... Colin. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Dec 14 11:25:21 1994 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 12:21:09 +0100 X400-Originator: cgp@st-andrews.ac.uk X400-Recipients: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/;<20287.9412141121@pasta.st-andre] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: Re: Amazing G... From: Colin G Piggot Message-Id: <20287.9412141121@pasta.st-andrews.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Amazing Gif Viewer... Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 376 Lines: 8 > I shouldn't bother -- it's not a GIF viewer, just an RGB displayer. Fakes a > 2048 colour screen by splitting the screen data into 16 shades of red, green > and blue, and displaying them sequentially down the screen, scrolling the > colour up. Looks a bit like a venetian blind though :) I really wanted to see how it interlaced.... a very strange method! Colin. From D.J.Doore@lmu.ac.uk Wed Dec 14 14:00:06 1994 From: "Doore, Daniel [MIS]" To: 'Brian McConnel' , 'Ian Slavin' , dfitzpatrick , Derek Merriott , Glenn Andrew Carberry , Frode Tennebo , 'Geoff Winkless' , goringgn To: "H.A.Price" , "Ian.Collier" , "Maciej J. Woloszyk" , Deon , Arne Di Russo , Nick Reid , simonc , DMZ , "T.P.O'Kill" , Tim Paverly Subject: Chrimble Quiz Date: Wed, 14 Dec 94 13:53:00 PST Message-Id: <2EEF6906@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 80 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Status: RO Content-Length: 2421 Lines: 80 Nice and festive is this, enjoy.... Dan. PS I *don't* know the answers :) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. What permanent injury did George Bailey suffer when he was a boy? 2. What Christmas Carol was so popular that it appeared in a composition by Mozart and contains an often repeated nonsense word? 3. Cry or pout, naughty or nice, sleepin' or awake, bad or good, what song am I? 4. In what country would the Christkind be accompanied by Pelznickle or Ru-klus: Spain, Germany or Russia? 5. In Germany, is Huns Trapp an angel or a demon? 6. What glittery bits of metal are hung on a Christmans Tree? (Although they are plastic now due to expense and fire regulations) 7. How many sizes did the Grinch's heart grow after he discovered the true meaning of Christmas? 8. Name the three kings. 9. Why did Mary and Joseph go to Bethlehem? 10. What "Kidnapped" author wrote "Christmas at Sea"? 11. Which Christmas special featured Heat Miser and Cold Miser? 12. What Christmas Carol is also know as "Greensleeves"? 13. What state has a city named Santa Claus: Indiana or Kansas? 14. Where was Mommy when she was kissing Santa Claus? 15. In Spain, what scene is nacimiento? 16. In "A Christmas Carol", who uses a crutch? 17. In "A Nightmare before Christmas", Santa is kidnapped and left to the mercies of what scarey creature? 18. How much does Della's hair earn her in "The Gift of the Magi": $5.00 or $20.00? 19. In "A Christmas Story", What is in the stock of the Red Ryder BB gun? 20. No two of these 1983-1985 most popular Chirstmas toys were exactly alike. 21. How did Yukon Cornelius test for silver and gold? 22. What waltz closes Act I of "The Nutcracker"? 23. What Asian country experienced a post-World War II boom by producing Christmas goods? 24. Who played his best for him, pa-rum pum pum pum? 25. Hoteiosho is the gift bringer in what Asian country? 26. By what opening does Santa enter houses? 27. In "Santa Claus is Comin' to town", Who hates toys and forbids their usage? 28. In what country did the Christmas tree tradition begin: Spain, Germany, Poland, England or the United States? 29. How many of the three sections of "The Messiah" are about Christmas? 30. In "Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer, what made the Jack-in-the-box a misfit toy? From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Dec 14 14:56:40 1994 From: mcscs3cgm@vaxd.dct.ac.uk Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 14:50:24 GMT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-Id: <00988EEA.7DF63A80.42@vaxd.dct.ac.uk> Subject: RE: FRED 51 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1227 Lines: 25 FRED51 was sent out a little late due to various things, but everyone should have got it by now. Any problems with this should be asked to me - because no-one else is going to know the answer are they? There did seem to be quite a few of FRED 50's that were corrupt (hardly *most* but never mind...) but again, returning the offending disc to FRED will sort out the problem. Can I also request that while people like Dan Doore have been an amazing help to FRED and I am extremely grateful to him, it did piss me off slightly seeing him ask someone to 'bung him a copy' of it because this is (as I put an official and righteous cap on) illegal. FRED always has and always will sorted out problems with discs. There was a FRED mailshot last week to a lot of SAM users whose FRED subscription had run out. Some of those were given a free copy of FRED as a test to see whether those given the present were more inclined to re-subscribe. So, if you got a disc from me - count yourself lucky, even if it does just get used as a blank...... If anyone's interested, I could let you know what the results of this little survey are in a couple of weeks..... Colin Macdonald FRED Publishing blah blah blah From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Dec 15 11:33:14 1994 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 12:27:48 +0100 X400-Originator: cgp@st-andrews.ac.uk X400-Recipients: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/;<8520.9412151127@pasta.st-andrew] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) From: Colin G Piggot Message-Id: <8520.9412151127@pasta.st-andrews.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 939 Lines: 19 ________ ______ ______ ______ __ __ / _ _ // ____// __ // __ // /\ / /\ / // // // /\__ / /\/ // /\/ // /_/_/ / / / // // // ____// __// __//_____ / / / // // // /\__ / /| | / /| |\_\____/ / / /_//_//_//_____//_/ |_|/_/ |_|/_______/ / \_\\_\\_\\_____\\_\/\_\\_\/\_\\_______\/ ______ __ __ ______ __ _______ _______ ________ _______ _______ / ____// /\ / // __ // // _____//__ __// _ _ // ___ // _____/\ / /\___/ /_/_/ // /\/ // // /\____\\_/ /\_/ // // // /\_/ // /\____\/ / / / / ____ // __// //____ /\ / / // // // // ___ //____ /\ / /_/_ / /\__/ // /| | / /_\___/ / / / / // // // // /\_/ /_\___/ / / /_____//_/ / /_//_/ |_|/_//______/ / /_/ //_//_//_//_/ //_//______/ / \_____\\_\/ \_\\_\/\_\\_\\______\/ \_\/ \_\\_\\_\\_\/ \_\\______\/ Colin. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Dec 15 13:10:31 1994 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 19:05:49 +0100 X400-Originator: U9350276@queens-belfast.ac.uk X400-Recipients: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/;<9412151305.AA04943@bot31.causew] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: colins christ... From: Creature Feature! Message-Id: <9412151305.AA04943@bot31.causeway.qub.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: colins christmas greeting! Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 796 Lines: 24 Nice one dude! By the way, I got a copy of FRED 44 in the door the other day and thought I would have to say that I got past level 1 of blob on my 3rd attempt! (Don't ask about level 2 though!! :) Anyone do it any faster??? Anyway merry christmas to ya all! Anyone else from Northern Ireland on this list then?? Can one get PD stuff from FTP? I haven't got round to actually getting the PC program which copies the stuff onto SAM disk yet but I will soon! Adios! And Enceledous is better than FRED so there!!! :) /> ( //---------------------------------------------------\ (*OXOXOXOXO(*>==R=o=n=a=n==T=h=e==B=a=r=b=a=r=i=a=n================> ( \\---------------------------------------------------/ \> From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Dec 15 13:16:45 1994 From: "Doore, Daniel [MIS]" To: sam-users Subject: RE: colins christmas greeting! Date: Thu, 15 Dec 94 13:11:00 PST Message-Id: <2EF0B0A0@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 19 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 391 Lines: 19 > Can one get PD stuff from FTP? I haven't got round to actually getting the > PC program which copies the stuff onto SAM disk yet but I will soon! Bagsee me tell 'im!! Right, FTP to nvg.unit.no and go into /pub/sam-coupe Ta Da! Teledisk is there as well. > Adios! And Enceledous is better than FRED so there!!! :) I reserve the right not to comment :-) Dan. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Dec 15 13:21:42 1994 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 19:15:36 +0100 X400-Originator: U9350276@queens-belfast.ac.uk X400-Recipients: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/;<9412151315.AA05067@bot31.causew] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: KOOL THANX DU... From: Creature Feature! Message-Id: <9412151315.AA05067@bot31.causeway.qub.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: KOOL THANX DUDE!! Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 310 Lines: 17 GREAT! Much appreciated! Me off! Adios! /> ( //---------------------------------------------------\ (*OXOXOXOXO(*>==R=o=n=a=n==T=h=e==B=a=r=b=a=r=i=a=n================> ( \\---------------------------------------------------/ \> From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Dec 15 17:25:27 1994 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Samdisk <> Td Date: Thu, 15 Dec 94 18:21:38 CET From: Arne Di Russo Message-Id: <9412151821.aa17288@ax433.mclink.it> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1896 Lines: 50 Hello Daniel, (I switched to the sam-forum as this might interest others too) > From: "Doore, Daniel [MIS]" > Subject: RE: Teledisk Probs > Date: Thu, 15 Dec 94 13:08:00 PST > >I've just got a copy id TD2.5 (this and SAMDISK are attached to this mail) I tried TD2.15 (not 2.5!! ;-) ) with your .td0 file with the same result as with TD2.10, so I think there must have been some error creating the file. Anyway I tried also SAMDISK and I must say that it is really great! Much faster than TD and much more reliable, too.. If it isn't already at nvg I will upload it so that it can be used instead of TD from now on. When you find some time please repost me the sample disk using SAMDISK instead of TD. >> I have included td2.10 so you can use that too. > > This had the end of it missing, so it didn't decode :( Sorry, it's the first time this happens to my mail... :-( I think it's not necessary anymore now, as SAMDISK is much better... >> (For uploading to nvg I think td is better than SAMDISK as already >> a lot of software up there is in td format so it's more standard...) > > True, but SamDisk is a fair bit faster than TD and it is VERY easy. You have convinced me... :-) let's use SAMDISK! > Have a happy christmas matey. Thanx, happy christmas and a happy new year to you and everybody else who reads this, too. (Well actually it doesn't seem very christmas-like here in Rome with 18 C and sunshine most of the time... ;-) ) Bye, Arne +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | Arne Di Russo Internet..: mc8189@mclink.it (changes after 14/1/95) | | Rome, Italy Fidonet...: 2:335/311.55 and 2:335/21.55 | | Voice.....: ++39/6/56338158 after 9pm CET | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ From imc Fri Dec 16 13:45:15 1994 Subject: Court Ordered Liquidation - Computer Memory - CPU's & Dsk Drives (fwd) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 16 Dec 94 13:45:15 GMT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 4880 Lines: 112 I just received this on another mailing list. Since there are hardware developers here I thought you might like to know, although unfortunately the prices are in US dollars. (I suppose this is a bit like a mail virus but never mind...) On Tue, 13 Dec 1994 12:35:22 GMT, LIONEL GOLDBERG said: > Choice Trading Company, Court Appointed Liquidators, have > been assigned to liquidate the following Multi-Million Dollar > inventory of computer Memory Chips, CPU's and Hard Disk Drives. > All items are new and come with applicable manufactures warranty. > Prices quoted include all state and local taxes plus shipping and > handling. > > Order Cost > Number Mfg. Description (EACH) > > Memory > > 1524 Toshiba 30 Pin Simms 1x3 70ns 1 meg $ 25.00 > 1525 Toshiba 30 Pin Simms 1x9 70ns 1 meg 25.00 > 1526 Toshiba 30 Pin Simms 4x9 70ns 4 meg 100.00 > > 1527 Toshiba 30 Pin Simms 1x3 60ns 1 meg 26.00 > 1528 Toshiba 30 Pin Simms 1x9 60ns 1 meg 26.00 > 1529 Toshiba 30 Pin Simms 4x9 60ns 4 meg 106.00 > > 1624 Toshiba 72 Pin Simms 512x36 70ns 2 meg 50.00 > 1625 Toshiba 72 Pin Simms 1x36 70ns 4 meg 100.00 > 1626 Toshiba 72 Pin Simms 2x36 70ns 8 meg 200.00 > 1627 Toshiba 72 Pin Simms 4x36 70ns 16 meg 400.00 > 1628 Toshiba 72 Pin Simms 8x36 70ns 32 meg 800.00 > > 1624 Toshiba 72 Pin Simms 512x36 60ns 2 meg 52.00 > 1625 Toshiba 72 Pin Simms 1x36 60ns 4 meg 104.00 > 1626 Toshiba 72 Pin Simms 2x36 60ns 8 meg 208.00 > 1627 Toshiba 72 Pin Simms 4x36 60ns 16 meg 416.00 > 1628 Toshiba 72 Pin Simms 8x36 60ns 32 meg 832.00 > > Memory for the Macintosh > > 1122 Toshiba 1 meg x 8 Simm Module 70ns 1 meg 31.00 > 1123 Toshiba 2 meg x 8 Simm Module 70ns 2 meg 62.00 > 1124 Toshiba 4 meg x 8 Simm Module 70ns 4 meg 109.00 > > CPU's > > 1276 Intel 80486 DX/33 115.00 > 1277 Intel 80486 DX/50 188.00 > 1278 Intel 80486 DX-2/66 156.00 > 1279 Intel 80486 DX-4/75 358.00 > 1280 Intel 80486 DX-4/100 498.00 > 1281 Intel Pentium 80501-60 366.00 > 1282 Intel Pentium 80501-66 453.00 > 1283 Intel Pentium 80502-90 558.00 > > Hard Disk Drives > > Seagate Barracuda Drives > 1351 Seagate ST11950N 8ms 3.5" 1.69 GB SCSI 658.00 > 1352 Seagate ST12550N 8ms 3.5" 2.1 GB SCSI 899.00 > 1353 Seagate ST15150N 8ms 3.5" 4.2 GB SCSI 1,526.00 > 1354 Seagate ST31200N 11ms 3.5" 1.05 GB SCSI 538.00 > 1355 Seagate ST11900N 9ms 3.5" 1.7 GB SCSI 628.00 > 1366 Seagate ST2400A 9ms 3.5" 2.1 GB SCSI 856.00 > 1367 Seagate ST15230N 9ms 3.5" 4.29 GB SCSI 1,454.00 > 1368 Seagate ST41080N 11ms 5.5" 9.08 GB SCSI 2,848.00 > > Western Digital > 1366 Western AC2340 12ms 3.5" 340 MB IDE 122.00 > 1367 Western AC2420 12ms 3.5" 420 MB IDE 136.00 > 1368 Western AC2540 12ms 3.5" 540 MB IDE 160.00 > 1369 Western AC2700 12ms 3.5" 731 MB IDE 230.00 > > Conner > 1372 Connor CFS420A 14ms 3.5" 420 MB IDE 138.00 > 1373 Connor CFA540A 10ms 3.5" 540 MB IDE 168.00 > 1374 Connor CFA1080A 10ms 3.5" 1080 MB IDE 408.00 > > ORDERING INFORMATION > > To order please use a company order form/letterhead or if for > personal use, use a plain white sheet of paper with your return > address. List the items desired by order number, the quantity > and total cost. Send your order with check or money order > payable to Choice Trading Company to: > > Choice Trading Company > Order Processing Lot #1776 > 86228 Terminal Annex > Los Angeles, Ca. 90086-0228 > > Orders are processed on a first come basis. Adjustments and > refunds will be made immediately for items that have sold out. > Please allow 2 to 3 Weeks for shipping. Due to court ordered > restrictions we are unable to accept COD, phone or credit card > orders. > > This public offering is valid through December 30, 1994. Any > unsold inventories will be auctioned. For auction information > please send a self addressed stamped enveloped to: > > Choice Trading Company > Lot #1776 > 202 So. Broadway > Los Angeles, Ca. 90012 > (213) 856 6172 > > If you are unable to use this information, please pass it on to > someone who may. > > Lionel M. Goldberg > Actuary From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Dec 16 16:50:47 1994 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 22:28:36 +0100 X400-Originator: U9350276@queens-belfast.ac.uk X400-Recipients: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/;<9412161628.AA04911@bot33.causew] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: TELEDISK or S... From: Creature Feature! Message-Id: <9412161628.AA04911@bot33.causeway.qub.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: TELEDISK or SAMDISK. WHERE ARE THEY???? Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 674 Lines: 19 eh................................................................. Call me an idiot but..........but if you do I'll slap you!!! :) Could someone please tell me where on nvg.unit.no to get TELEDISK/SAMDISK?? I have found all the files and stuff but can't seem to find the program to write them to SAMdisk! Can someone help me??? And make it the best of the two! Whichever one of those two programs is better! I'll probably not get your mail for till after christmas so..... ..... Merry Christmas DUDES! P.S. Hey Colin, Don't suppose you could put LEMMINGS on the FTP site??? I'll pay, I promise!!!!!!!!! :) HEE HEE!! :) Adios people! From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Dec 16 17:46:59 1994 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 17:37:22 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <5611@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: RE: colins christmas greeting! X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 193 Lines: 11 After a certain number of copies, TELEDISK seems unable to find any files to copy! I guess this is to induce registration! Brian Happy Christmas. Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Dec 16 17:47:48 1994 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 17:40:09 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <5612@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Samdisk <> Td X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 165 Lines: 9 Samdisk? Is that the Lerm proggie? Is nvg any better to access these days, I gave up on it a while back for freezing up. Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From imc Sun Dec 18 12:16:34 1994 Subject: Re: Quazar Surround To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 18 Dec 94 12:16:34 GMT In-Reply-To: <136.9412101200@pasta.st-andrews.ac.uk>; from "Colin G Piggot" at Dec 10, 94 1:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 241 Lines: 9 On Sat, 10 Dec 1994 13:00:36 +0100, Colin G Piggot said: > No need, just fixed the problem, using the switches in the sockets for speakers, > (plus 2 resistors totalling 6p for the extra mixing!) > Okay now Ian? Probably... imc From imc Sun Dec 18 12:18:32 1994 Subject: Re: your mail To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 18 Dec 94 12:18:32 GMT In-Reply-To: <988_9412120658@centron.com>; from "Johnathan Taylor" at Dec 11, 94 5:51 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 198 Lines: 6 On 11 Dec 94 05:51:01 +0000, Johnathan Taylor said: > ... Wanna Laugh???? I know somone who actually paid real money for a PC!!! I think I know lots of them. Nothing funny about that. imc From imc Sun Dec 18 12:19:49 1994 Subject: Re: Digest To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 18 Dec 94 12:19:49 GMT In-Reply-To: <9412131613.AA05313@bot29.causeway.qub.ac.uk>; from "Creature Feature!" at Dec 13, 94 10:13 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 294 Lines: 9 On Tue, 13 Dec 1994 22:13:29 +0100, Creature Feature! said: > I would prefer a digest form as I hate having loads of mail messages from people > I don't know! It gets very confusing for me! Then why don't you identify yourself properly so that we don't have the same problem? imc From imc Sun Dec 18 12:22:25 1994 Subject: Re: Samdisk <> Td To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 18 Dec 94 12:22:25 GMT In-Reply-To: <9412151821.aa17288@ax433.mclink.it>; from "Arne Di Russo" at Dec 15, 94 6:21 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 358 Lines: 9 On Thu, 15 Dec 94 18:21:38 CET, Arne Di Russo said: > (Well actually it doesn't seem very christmas-like here in Rome with > 18 C and sunshine most of the time... ;-) ) Only 18? In South Florida it's in the 20s (or in fact the mid-70s as they haven't heard of Celsius yet in America). Too bad I couldn't stay there for more than 5 days... imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sun Dec 18 15:44:33 1994 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: The Driver Date: Sun, 18 Dec 94 16:42:26 CET From: Arne Di Russo Message-Id: <9412181642.aa10218@ax433.mclink.it> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1517 Lines: 40 Hello Ian, >Date: Sun, 18 Dec 1994 13:22:25 +0100 >From: Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk >Subject: Re: Samdisk <> Td > >On Thu, 15 Dec 94 18:21:38 CET, Arne Di Russo said: >> (Well actually it doesn't seem very christmas-like here in Rome with >> 18 C and sunshine most of the time... ;-) ) > >Only 18? In South Florida it's in the 20s (or in fact the mid-70s as they >haven't heard of Celsius yet in America). Too bad I couldn't stay there for >more than 5 days... Everything is relative, in Moscow they have -15 or so, and actually also here finally winter has arrived (unfortunately), in the last few days temperature dropped to 13 C. To keep this posting SAM related I would like to know if anyone has heard about software for the DRIVER (apart from the disc recently announced in Format by the writers of the DRIVER). Also I think they promised to release a SDK for programming applications for the DRIVER. Has anyone heard something about this one? I wonder how many SAM users actually bought the DRIVER I suppose not more than 10-15%. BTW how many SAMs where sold up to now, anyone knows? Bye, Arne +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | Arne Di Russo Internet..: mc8189@mclink.it (changes after 14/1/95) | | Rome, Italy Fidonet...: 2:335/311.55 and 2:335/21.55 | | Voice.....: ++39/6/56338158 after 9pm CET | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Dec 20 09:24:22 1994 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Happy X-Mas Date: Tue, 20 Dec 94 10:20:32 CET From: Arne Di Russo Message-Id: <9412201020.aa04192@ax433.mclink.it> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2663 Lines: 62 I will be unable to respond to any messagges from Dec 21 to the 7th of Jan. I wish you all a nice Xmas and a happy new year! Bye, Arne +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | Arne Di Russo Internet..: mc8189@mclink.it (changes after 14/1/95) | | Rome, Italy Fidonet...: 2:335/311.55 and 2:335/21.55 | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ From sam-users-request@nvg.unit.no Fri Apr 29 20:49:28 1994 Return-Path: Received: from comlab.oxford.ac.uk (mail.comlab) by ecs.oxford.ac.uk (4.1/ecs.1) id AA07590; Fri, 29 Apr 94 20:49:28 BST Received: from uk.ac.oxford by comlab.oxford.ac.uk id AA16717; Fri, 29 Apr 94 20:49:00 +0100 Received: from swix.nvg.unit.no by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <12805-0@oxmail.ox.ac.uk>; Fri, 29 Apr 1994 20:48:33 +0100 Received: by swix.nvg.unit.no (Smail3.1.28.1 #18)id for ; Fri, 29 Apr 94 21:48 +0200 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Date: 29 Apr 94 15:04:33 GMT Subject: SAM Accelerator board project (was Re: BBB ?) Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v2.3 (R4). Message-Id: <6AB3A193CFA@fs2.ee.umist.ac.uk> Reply-To: SAM mailing list Precedence: bulk Sender: sam-users-request@nvg.unit.no Status: OR > ] > Let's put it this way; it uses a 0.5Mb memory mirror with controlled > ] > wait states and read-writes, and has a 20Mhz processor in it. > ] > ] So why bolt it on to a Sam? Surely it would be much better as a separate > ] computer. > > Ahh... but if you sell it for the Sam: a) you have the keyboard and system > software sorted out, and b) you have this massive (haha) user base to sell > it to... Grins... my point 'xctly > Put it this way, if it really is 80 quid, I'm gonna mortgage my parents > house to buy it... on top of the hard drive and the MiDGET, of course :) *smiles* brilliant. Let's get the MiDGET out of the way first -- btw: due to the palette DAC blowing, we may only have either MONOCHROME or 8 bit colour working on it tomorrow (3bits of R & G, 2 bits blue) > Geoff (gaw-a@minster.york.ac.uk / gaw2@york.ac.uk -- INET) Si +------------------INTERNET: CSL@FS2.EE.UMIST.AC.UK-------------------+ | "You know... you can tell someone's vain when they quote themselves | | in their own .sig file..." -- Simon Cooke | +--------------------JANET: CSL@UK.AC.UMIST.EE.FS2--------------------+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Dec 29 07:15:30 1994 From: Johnathan Taylor Date: 27 Dec 94 20:50:44 +0000 Subject: Any one got a spare Z84C50? Message-Id: <79b_9412280659@centron.com> Organization: CC-NET BBS To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 828 Lines: 25 Hi peeps! I'm looking for a source of the 40pinDIL Z84C50 CMOSz80+2Ksram to fit into my SAM. My reason to do this is that it'll supply 2K of non-contended RAM that can be mapped over ANY external ram/rom and therefore will be great for hi-speed interupt routines or speed-critical routines without much external hardware addaptions! Any data accessed within the internal ram will not even be noticed by the ASIC as such it should allow the highest execution speed of ANY sam memory configurations:-) I've tried Maplin, Farnells, and RS-Components... none list it:( Cheers Johnathan. ... One of these days I'm going to have to stop procrastinating. -- |Fidonet: Johnathan Taylor 2:2501/307.9 |Internet: jet@centron.com | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own.