From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 1 07:04:01 1995 Date: Wed, 01 Mar 1995 06:56:18 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <7080@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Blankety blank X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 164 Lines: 7 There were more than seven blanks! Also quite a few repeats. Did someone say Arnt was running a new version of the O/S?... Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 1 09:07:57 1995 Message-Id: <19923.199503010851@lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk> From: William Easson <9264201e@udcf.gla.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Sophistry! To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 08:51:42 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <9502282119.0TY4B00@tic.iaf.nl> from "stefan.drissen@tic.iaf.nl" at Feb 28, 95 09:19:04 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 641 Lines: 20 > > > Ooooh, I love Sophistry! I went along and bought 50 copies of it, it's that > good! > > So go on y'all, get at least one copy today!!!! > > The totally unbiased Stefan Drissen.... > > I'm receiving two copies of some peoples' mail. Is this intentional? -- William Easson E-Mail: 9264201e@udcf.gla.ac.uk Snail Mail (term): 12, Southpark Terrace, Glasgow G12 8LG, Scotland, UK. Snail Mail (home): 24, Buxton Old Road, Disley, Stockport, Cheshire, UK. Snail Mail (work): Glasgow Vet School, Bearsden Road, Bearsden, Glasgow, UK. "A life spent making many mistakes is better than a life spent doing nothing" From imc Wed Mar 1 11:02:59 1995 Subject: Re: Blankety blank To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 1 Mar 95 11:02:59 GMT In-Reply-To: <7080@bgserv.demon.co.uk>; from "Brian Gaff Sam Dept." at Mar 1, 95 6:56 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 269 Lines: 6 I received 7 blank messages on Monday. I received a further 6 blank messages yesterday. After the first two of those I sent a message to the list pointing out that I had received more blank messages. I believe this message turned into one of the blanks. imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 1 11:08:18 1995 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 12:02:59 +0100 X400-Originator: Ian.Collier@comlab.oxford.ac.uk X400-Recipients: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/;<9503011103.AA18188@booth5.ecs.o] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: Re: Blankety ... From: Ian.Collier@uk.ac.oxford.comlab Message-Id: <9503011103.AA18188@booth5.ecs.ox.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no In-Reply-To: <7080@bgserv.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Blankety blank X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 269 Lines: 6 I received 7 blank messages on Monday. I received a further 6 blank messages yesterday. After the first two of those I sent a message to the list pointing out that I had received more blank messages. I believe this message turned into one of the blanks. imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 1 11:30:04 1995 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 23:08:55 +0100 X400-Originator: U9350276@queens-belfast.ac.uk X400-Recipients: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/;<9502281708.AA08637@bot6.causewa] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: more blank me... From: Creature Feature! *PHART* Message-Id: <9502281708.AA08637@bot6.causeway.qub.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: more blank messsages Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1189 Lines: 20 KOOL! More blank messages! I'm gonna start a collection! :) P.S. Guess what? YEP! Giant .sig time again! : ================================================================================ ======== ======== ====== /> ====== ===== ( //---------------------------------------------------\ ===== ===== (*OXOXOXOXO(*>==R=o=n=a=n==T=h=e==B=a=r=b=a=r=i=a=n================> ===== ===== ( \\---------------------------------------------------/ ===== ====== \> ====== ======== ======== ================================================================================ ====================* Ronan FitzGerald: u9350276@qub.ac.uk *==================== =======================* Location: Belfast, N. Ireland *======================== =============================* Tel: (01232) 668261 *============================ ================================================================================ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 1 12:13:46 1995 From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk Subject: Re: C64 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 12:07:56 +0000 (WET) In-Reply-To: <199502281431.AA15173@lyr.hiMolde.no> from "Frode.Tennebo@himolde.no" at Feb 28, 95 03:31:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Message-Id: <9503011208.aa02963@valar.ee.surrey.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1850 Lines: 41 > > > Which takes me back about two weeks when someone suggested that the > > PC wasn't powerful enough to emulate the SAM - well, if it can > > emulate a C64 with its complicated screen modes and SID chip > > then it can certainly emulate the SAM. > > I don't recall that the C64 had particularly complicated > screen modes (were there more than two?), but it had a funny > way of handeling it which made it virtually impossible to draw > bitmaps with the 1MHz processor. In stead it heavily relied on > sprites, which we all know is not very tricky. The C64 has three text modes (standard, multicolour and extended colour) two bitmap modes (spectrum-style and multicolour), sprites (mono or multicolour), horizontal & vertical hardware scrolling, and just about any combination of these using raster interrupts. I'm not sure what you mean by sprites are not very tricky - do you mean not tricky to use (I agree), to emulate (not sure..) or to implement in hardware (I definitely disagree!). Also, comparing the 1MHz 6502 clock to the 3.25 of the Spec or 6 of the SAM is a bit dodgy since z80s take 4 cycles to read from memory, one more for I/O, whereas the 6502 only takes 1. Also, many 6502 instructions execture in 2 cycles, some take 1, some take 3. > > The thing about the SAM that makes it so darn difficult, is > that you can actually DO things at the end of each scan-line, > like changing screen-modes, select another screen to be displayed, > change palette, etc. The mere task of keeping the timing of each > line-interrupt will take a LOT of time, not to speak about how > to actually switch screen, modes etc. on the fly. This is all in the > SAMs hardware. Not even Z80 manages to emulate the (ab)use of > the second screen on 128K 100%. It's all in the C64 hardware too.... -AG From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 1 13:08:34 1995 From: Lord Blackadder Message-Id: <9503011307.AA11312@bs47c.staffs.ac.uk> Subject: Forwarded mail... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no (SAM users mailing list.) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 13:07:35 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 473 Lines: 22 Forwarded message: > From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Feb 28 18:15:24 1995 > Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 18:33:19 +0100 > From: owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Message-Id: <199502281733.SAA02726@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> > Apparently-To: sam-users-outgoing@nvg.unit.no > > Has this problem been sorted out yet? I have received hundreds of these empty messages! May be they have hidden messages contained within them.... Very Sublime?! Lord B' From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 1 13:47:52 1995 From: P.A.Finn-SE2@computer-science.birmingham.ac.uk Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 14:23:46 +0100 X400-Originator: P.A.Finn-SE2@computer-science.birmingham.ac.uk X400-Recipients: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/;<8452.9503011323@piglet.cs.bham.] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: CoMpLaInT Message-Id: <8452.9503011323@piglet.cs.bham.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: CoMpLaInT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 493 Lines: 12 >P.S. As usual: GIANT .sig ATTACK!!!! Why the hell does Ronan get away with such a big sig, whereas some miserable old fart (imc) gave me tonnes of crap about my 4 (yes thats 4) line sig, somehow that just don't seem fair dudes. *** *** *** *** *** --------------------- ****** *** *** *** | paf@cs.bham.ac.uk | *** *** *** *** *** --------------------- *** *** *** *** *** PUT YOUR FAITH IN A LOUD GUITAR From imc Wed Mar 1 13:52:16 1995 Subject: Re: CoMpLaInT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 1 Mar 95 13:52:16 GMT In-Reply-To: <8452.9503011323@piglet.cs.bham.ac.uk>; from "P.A.Finn-SE2@computer-science.birmingham.ac.uk" at Mar 1, 95 2:23 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 309 Lines: 8 On Wed, 1 Mar 1995 14:23:46 +0100, P.A.Finn-SE2@computer-science.birmingham.ac.uk said: > some miserable old fart (imc) gave me tonnes of crap about my > 4 (yes thats 4) line sig, somehow that just don't seem fair That sounds like tosh to me. Have you any evidence to back up your allegation? imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 1 14:17:29 1995 From: "Doore, Dan [MIS]" To: sam-users Subject: Re: CoMpLaInT Date: Wed, 01 Mar 95 14:07:00 PST Message-Id: <2F54EE7D@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 16 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 421 Lines: 16 > On Wed, 1 Mar 1995 14:23:46 +0100, > P.A.Finn-SE2@computer-science.birmingham.ac.uk said: > > some miserable old fart (imc) gave me tonnes of crap about my > > 4 (yes thats 4) line sig, somehow that just don't seem fair > > That sounds like tosh to me. Have you any evidence to back up your > allegation? Not wanting to start trouble, but try November 30 1994 16:52, it's all there. Dan. > imc > From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 1 14:20:11 1995 From: "Doore, Dan [MIS]" To: sam-users Subject: RE: CoMpLaInT Date: Wed, 01 Mar 95 14:14:00 PST Message-Id: <2F54F022@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 25 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 883 Lines: 25 > >P.S. As usual: GIANT .sig ATTACK!!!! > > Why the hell does Ronan get away with such a big sig, whereas > some miserable old fart (imc) gave me tonnes of crap about my > 4 (yes thats 4) line sig, somehow that just don't seem fair > dudes. Not fair at all, but such is life. Ronan - it was funny the first time, but shorten your .sig, it serves no purpose and pisses people off. I'm suprised the dial-in pods haven't complianed cos it's not so bad when _you_ aren't coughing up for the link but if I was getting two lines of text and 25+ lines of .sig, I'd bloody well complain. Dan Doore. > *** *** *** *** *** --------------------- > ****** *** *** *** | paf@cs.bham.ac.uk | > *** *** *** *** *** --------------------- > *** *** *** *** *** PUT YOUR FAITH IN A LOUD GUITAR > From imc Wed Mar 1 14:30:31 1995 Subject: Re: CoMpLaInT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 1 Mar 95 14:30:31 GMT In-Reply-To: <2F54EE7D@courier.lmu.ac.uk>; from "Doore, Dan [MIS]" at Mar 1, 95 2:07 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 926 Lines: 23 On Wed, 01 Mar 95 14:07:00 PST, Doore, Dan [MIS] said: > > On Wed, 1 Mar 1995 14:23:46 +0100, > > P.A.Finn-SE2@computer-science.birmingham.ac.uk said: > > > some miserable old fart (imc) gave me tonnes of crap about my > > > 4 (yes thats 4) line sig, somehow that just don't seem fair > > That sounds like tosh to me. Have you any evidence to back up your > > allegation? > Not wanting to start trouble, but try November 30 1994 16:52, OK, I did, and I found this: |If you are into flames, I suggest that next time you send a 2-line message, |you do not add an 11-line signature and 4 blank lines to the bottom. And, the next day, this (which was in reply to LB, not to PAF). |I don't make the rules. See net.announce.newusers and lots of news posting |software for the signature size restriction. And that is just about that. So, like I said, the above allegation sounds like tosh to me. imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 1 15:00:06 1995 From: Lord Blackadder Message-Id: <9503011457.AA19816@bs47c.staffs.ac.uk> Subject: Re: CoMpLaInT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 14:57:56 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <9503011352.AA23628@booth5.ecs.ox.ac.uk> from "Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk" at Mar 1, 95 02:52:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 408 Lines: 14 > > On Wed, 1 Mar 1995 14:23:46 +0100, P.A.Finn-SE2@computer-science.birmingham.ac.uk said: > > some miserable old fart (imc) gave me tonnes of crap about my > > 4 (yes thats 4) line sig, somehow that just don't seem fair > > That sounds like tosh to me. Have you any evidence to back up your > allegation? > > imc > I think you'll find you did have a rather large go at him... Lord B' From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 1 15:17:49 1995 From: "Doore, Dan [MIS]" To: sam-users Subject: Re: CoMpLaInT Date: Wed, 01 Mar 95 14:59:00 PST Message-Id: <2F54FAC0@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 35 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1021 Lines: 35 > > > That sounds like tosh to me. Have you any evidence to back up your > > > allegation? > > > Not wanting to start trouble, but try November 30 1994 16:52, > > OK, I did, and I found this: > |If you are into flames, I suggest that next time you send a 2-line message, > |you do not add an 11-line signature and 4 blank lines to the bottom. Ta Da! What you fail to understand is that it is not the words themselves that cause offence, it's the self-righteous undertones that seen to run riot in some of your postings to this group. > And, the next day, this (which was in reply to LB, not to PAF). This makes no odds at all. > |I don't make the rules. See net.announce.newusers and lots of news posting > |software for the signature size restriction. This just clarifies the point. > And that is just about that. So, like I said, the above allegation > sounds like tosh to me. To you maybe, but not in my eyes, and definitely not in those of Pauls. Dan Doore. > imc From imc Wed Mar 1 15:24:58 1995 Subject: Re: CoMpLaInT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 1 Mar 95 15:24:58 GMT In-Reply-To: <2F54FAC0@courier.lmu.ac.uk>; from "Doore, Dan [MIS]" at Mar 1, 95 2:59 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 836 Lines: 16 On Wed, 01 Mar 95 14:59:00 PST, Doore, Dan [MIS] said: > What you fail to understand is that it is not the words themselves that > cause offence, it's the self-righteous undertones that seen to run riot > in some of your postings to this group. Considering that my first "self-righteous undertones" were written in a response to the message "Keep your tory wank to yourself, this is a SAM list remember?" I think they were remarkably restrained. But whether they were or not, I cannot leave unchallenged the accusation that I gave someone "tonnes of crap" about his "4 (yes thats 4) line sig" when the actual number quoted in my message was 11 (yes that's eleven). And, to be pedantic about it, that was one line containing the name "Paul", two blank lines, and 8 lines of asterisks. Definitely *not* 4 lines. imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 1 17:33:56 1995 From: P.A.Finn-SE2@computer-science.birmingham.ac.uk Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 18:20:56 +0100 X400-Originator: P.A.Finn-SE2@computer-science.birmingham.ac.uk X400-Recipients: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/;<164.9503011720@mother.cs.bham.a] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: Re: CoMpLaInT Message-Id: <164.9503011720@mother.cs.bham.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: CoMpLaInT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1104 Lines: 22 >What you fail to understand is that it is not the words themselves that >cause offence, it's the self-righteous undertones that seen to run riot >in some of your postings to this group. Yes, thanks Dan, this was exactly the point that I was tring to make why do you (Ian) have to talk down to people so much? I'm really sorry about this, the last thing I want to do is start WW3, but last year I very nearly signed off this list, not because of a lack of interest in the SAM, but because of your attitude. You *did* have a very large go at me that was (IMO) uncalled for, if you could possibly keep your selfish attidues to yourself then perhaps people like me would take a more active role on this list (which could only be of benefit towards the main reason we are all subscribed to this list - The SAM Coupe). Thanks, Paul. *** *** *** *** *** --------------------- ****** *** *** *** | paf@cs.bham.ac.uk | *** *** *** *** *** --------------------- *** *** *** *** *** PUT YOUR FAITH IN A LOUD GUITAR From imc Wed Mar 1 17:42:21 1995 Subject: Re: CoMpLaInT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 1 Mar 95 17:42:21 GMT In-Reply-To: <164.9503011720@mother.cs.bham.ac.uk>; from "P.A.Finn-SE2@computer-science.birmingham.ac.uk" at Mar 1, 95 6:20 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 263 Lines: 6 I resent the implication that I always talk down to people and display a selfish attitude. It is true that I did have a *small* go at you for an excessive signature (note: other people did join in), but that was three months and about 1.5Mbytes ago. imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 1 17:55:25 1995 From: goringgn Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 17:53:03 GMT Message-Id: <6007.9503011753@sun.aston.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: CoMpLaInT X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 342 Lines: 12 Oh will you all shut up! Christ, I have never seen such petty prattling about in my life. I mean, bloody hell! So somebody's complaining about somebody elses sig file. Take it up with the authorities or use private mail. This is a SAM group and I am fed up to the back teeth of all this "he did that" bullshit. Damn Graham From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 1 18:42:26 1995 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 19:11:21 +0100 Message-Id: <29559.14578.794081481@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> From: Arnt Gulbrandsen Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: IBM advertising department Subject: Empty messages Status: RO Content-Length: 386 Lines: 9 It seems that several of the mailing lists at nvg have been spewing out empty messages since I changed the configuration to handle the higher traffic level of the last week well. Unfortunately, I have been off the net for several days. I'll be back on tomorrow, and will investigate then. I'm sorry for any inconvenience this might cause. --Arnt (postmaster, nvg.unit.no) From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 1 18:43:23 1995 From: Frode Tennebo Message-Id: <199503011841.AA27233@ulke.hiMolde.no> Subject: Not another complaint! To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 19:41:10 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 483 Lines: 12 So.... Does anybodu have any information regarding the advertisement for 'C' which was in the lateste issue of Format??? P.S.: No long .sig :-) -- ^ One To-day is Worth Two To-morrows (Ben Franklin) ^ | ....or: One To-morrow is Worth a Quarter of One Yester-day... | | Frode Tennebo | email: frodet@hiMolde.no | | ECP/PT, CERN, Switzerland | http://www.hiMolde.no/~frodet | | Phone: +33 50 28 26 17 | Luke@IRC | From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 1 21:12:26 1995 Date: Wed, 01 Mar 1995 20:09:49 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <7116@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: CoMpLaInT X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 822 Lines: 29 In message <6007.9503011753@sun.aston.ac.uk> goringgn writes: > > Oh will you all shut up! > > Christ, I have never seen such petty prattling about in my life. > > I mean, bloody hell! So somebody's complaining about somebody elses sig file. > Take it up with the authorities or use private mail. This is a SAM group > and I am fed up to the back teeth of all this "he did that" bullshit. > > Damn > > Graham > > Yes it is going on a bit. I am looking for a Decent Cheap speach Synth that will talk words given an input from a Par. port. Anyone designing one? After all, if the Speccy could talk... You could surely make one for less that the 500 notes I see they have them for at the RNIB. Why? I can no longer reliably read a mode 3 screen... :-( Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 1 21:12:27 1995 Date: Wed, 01 Mar 1995 20:06:10 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <7115@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: RE: CoMpLaInT X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 526 Lines: 15 In message <2F54F022@courier.lmu.ac.uk> "Doore, Dan [MIS]" writes: > > I'm suprised the dial-in pods haven't complianed cos it's not > so bad when _you_ aren't coughing up for the link but if I was getting > two lines of text and 25+ lines of .sig, I'd bloody well complain. > > Dan Doore. > > We have but he is too thick skinned to treat it seriously, perhaps we could vote him off for a few weeksm or supply him with a new, tastefull sig that still has cred, but less verbosity? -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 1 21:14:29 1995 From: Mr Andrew M Gale Message-Id: <9503012059.AA21191@central.surrey.ac.uk> Subject: Marvellous To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 1 Mar 95 20:59:04 GMT In-Reply-To: <295_9502270818@centron.com>; from "Johnathan Taylor" at Feb 26, 95 9:03 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 684 Lines: 18 Dear all, Isn't the SAM just marvellous? A computer which everyone wants to write something for or upgrade or build something for, but no-one ever really uses it for much more important than "wordprocessing" some letter (and no more than 64 characters to a line, remember), or keeping info about their stamp collection in some duff database written in MasterBasic. Alternatively we could play some re-hash of an ancient game with a dodgy name ('eater' perhaps for a pacman game, 'SAMshoot' for space invaders etc...). But it's a great machine to learn about programming with, isn't it kids? It seems the SAM thrives on talk of what is going to be released. -AG From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Mar 2 09:30:54 1995 From: mcscs3cgm@vaxd.dct.ac.uk Date: Thu, 02 Mar 1995 09:14:09 GMT To: SAM-USERS@nvg.unit.no Message-Id: <0098CC06.70A5BDC0.11@vaxd.dct.ac.uk> Subject: C Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 414 Lines: 11 There will be a small write up in next month's FORMAT on C, and although the technical details have yet to be sorted out, it's planned for release sometime in April for about 15 ukp (hopefully), which compares VERY favourably to other C compilers. When the press release is prepared for the magazines, I'll post a copy of it here - in case anyone else is interested. Colin Macdonald FRED Publishing From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Mar 2 09:48:15 1995 From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk Subject: Re: CoMpLaInT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 09:36:17 +0000 (WET) In-Reply-To: <7116@bgserv.demon.co.uk> from "Brian Gaff Sam Dept." at Mar 1, 95 08:09:49 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Message-Id: <9503020936.aa01240@almaren.ee.surrey.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 749 Lines: 21 > I am looking for a Decent Cheap speach Synth that will talk > words given an input from a Par. port. Anyone designing one? > After all, if the Speccy could talk... You could surely make one > for less that the 500 notes I see they have them for at the > RNIB. > > Brian > Did the Blue Alpha's voice box not have such a facility, or was the quality too poor? Actually, I don't see why a software based solution shouldn't be fine - the SAM's sample output using the volume control of the sound chip isn't bad really. Which brings me to a question: do you think any SAM users would be interested in a cheap sampler? I don't know how well Blue Alpha's did, and I don't know whether to bother designing a proper PCB. -Andrew From imc Thu Mar 2 10:51:30 1995 Subject: Re: Nothing to do with SAM but....... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 2 Mar 95 10:51:30 GMT In-Reply-To: <9503011328.AA04205@bot31.causeway.qub.ac.uk>; from "Creature Feature! *PHART*" at Mar 1, 95 7:28 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 609 Lines: 14 On Wed, 1 Mar 1995 19:28:29 +0100, Creature Feature! *PHART* said: > This message is getting posted around a bit so I thought I better send it to this > list! :) It doesn't really apply to any of us anyway except that it might > affect some of the stuff we do on the net! > Read on and......well......who cares! :) [GLOBAL ALERT FOR ALL - THE SENATORS ARE COMING!] I think this is probably a rather overhyped panic over nothing. It would be impossible for anything like that to happen (IMO) and moreover they cannot restrict the internet in Europe just by passing a law in the USA. imc From imc Thu Mar 2 11:11:12 1995 Subject: Speech synthesiser To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 2 Mar 95 11:11:12 GMT In-Reply-To: <9503020936.aa01240@almaren.ee.surrey.ac.uk>; from "ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk" at Mar 2, 95 9:36 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 2373 Lines: 45 On Thu, 2 Mar 1995 09:36:17 +0000 (WET), ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk said: Brian said: > > I am looking for a Decent Cheap speach Synth that will talk > > words given an input from a Par. port. Anyone designing one? Hmmm, an interesting thought. It would probably not be too hard to persuade a Spectrum + uSpeech to do this, although the uSpeech is obviously going to be quite hard to obtain. There was some discussion recently on comp.lang.rexx which seemed to indicate that the SPO256 speech synthesis chip is now no longer commonly available, which is a shame or you might have been able to use that. > Did the Blue Alpha's voice box not have such a facility, or was > the quality too poor? Actually, I don't see why a software > based solution shouldn't be fine - the SAM's sample output > using the volume control of the sound chip isn't bad really. Which is what I thought of next. Obviously a Sam would be more expensive than a Spectrum, but it should be able to output decent speech through the Sam's sound chip in software. It does after all play quite reasonable samples in which the speech can be recognised. I once saw some software for the BBC Micro (called "*SAY") which produced quite decent speech, but I don't know how it worked. The main problem is to sort out the rules which determine how a particular word is pronounced. The uSpeech doesn't solve this problem - you have to spell the word using allophones. I once wrote a Spectrum program to simulate speech by recording the uSpeech talking, playing it into the MIC socket of the speccy, storing it and playing it back in pieces. I had a limited amount of success... (I suppose I should try it out on the xz80 emulator and see whether it sounds any better!). Unfortunately, since my uSpeech no longer works, I would have to use a real voice talking if I were to repeat this experiment... I think producing a standalone box that does it would be rather difficult though, if you wanted one that does not occupy the Sam. > Which brings me to a question: do you think any SAM users would > be interested in a cheap sampler? I don't know how well Blue > Alpha's did, and I don't know whether to bother designing a > proper PCB. I've never seen a Blue Alpha, but at the moment I can sample things on this Sun workstation so I wouldn't need one. imc From imc Thu Mar 2 12:58:50 1995 Subject: Re: More on SAM graphics... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 2 Mar 95 12:58:50 GMT In-Reply-To: ; from "Gene Fender" at Feb 27, 95 4:42 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 1632 Lines: 37 On Mon, 27 Feb 1995 16:42:19 -0500, Gene Fender said: > 2) What is the common > SAM bitmap format & its specs (so that I might write > my own conversion utility)? There isn't really any. Though I suppose there is the SCREEN$ format that the Sam saves. It is a simple image of the screen memory, as described several times before, followed by the following. - the 16 entries in the colour look-up table - the first four entries again (don't know precisely what these are for, but it might be the four colours for mode 3) - the same 20 bytes repeated (if these bytes are different then the screen will flash between the two sets of colours) - a 255 byte. > For further debate, I know that one of the SAM > resolutions is 256x192, however I have read in > this forum that SAM pixels aren't square in > this mode. The picture seems to be horizontally stretched. The border areas at the sides are much narrower than the ones at the top and bottom (and also narrower than the border areas on a Spectrum). The pixels seem to be 1.25 times as wide as they are high. I'm sure this must have been designed so that the time taken by the TV scan to draw one pixel is exactly the length of one clock cycle on the Sam. It's a shame the pixels are not square, however. If they had designed a 7MHz clock (twice that of a Spectrum) it would have been better. Hmmm, my generally accepted figure of 1.25 implies that a 7.5MHz clock would be required. Does that mean the Spectrum's pixels are not quite square either, or have I just measured it incorrectly?... imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Mar 2 15:02:41 1995 From: Frode.Tennebo@hiMolde.no Message-Id: <199503021258.AA24561@lyr.hiMolde.no> Subject: Re: C To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 13:58:47 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <0098CC06.70A5BDC0.11@vaxd.dct.ac.uk> from "mcscs3cgm@vaxd.dct.ac.uk" at Mar 2, 95 09:14:09 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1190 Lines: 33 Hi Colin! Long time no see.... > There will be a small write up in next month's FORMAT on C, and although > the technical details have yet to be sorted out, it's planned for release > sometime in April for about 15 ukp (hopefully), which compares VERY > favourably to other C compilers. > > When the press release is prepared for the magazines, I'll post a copy of > it here - in case anyone else is interested. Sure we'r interested. What about a preview? Will it be a full featured C, or small C? How about the posibility to hand optimise code, ie. have assembly IN the C source? And at 15 quid, it'll probably be another smash. BTW: How are the money in SAM Software? Can I expect to make money if I write a superb game (this is all hypothetical, though!) released through FRED? > > Colin Macdonald > FRED Publishing > -- ^ One To-day is Worth Two To-morrows (Ben Franklin) ^ | ....or: One To-morrow is Worth a Quarter of One Yester-day... | | Frode Tennebo | email: frodet@hiMolde.no | | ECP/PT, CERN, Switzerland | http://www.hiMolde.no/~frodet | | Phone: +33 50 28 26 17 | Luke@IRC | From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Mar 2 15:34:23 1995 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 02 Mar 1995 09:48:28 -0500 From: Gene Fender To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Sound sampler... Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 169 Lines: 5 I would like to see a good sampler design. Perhaps voice recognition software for it as well. Maybe a utility for converting to and from PC's .WAV file format? From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Mar 2 16:19:06 1995 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 02 Mar 1995 09:45:38 -0500 From: Gene Fender To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Marvellous -Reply Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 357 Lines: 8 It seems the SAM thrives on talk of what is going to be released. This seems to be the case. Perhaps our interest in the SAM is more nostalgic than practical. It reminds me of all the capability promises that never actually came true back in the mostly 8-bit days. In a sense, the SAM is the computer we all wanted 10 years ago and never got. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Mar 2 16:57:00 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Blind / Partially sighted support in Termite? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no (Sam Users Mailing List) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 16:35:37 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 556 Lines: 11 Since Brian related news of his worsening eyesight, I've decided to include blind support for Termite. Any idea what's needed? I've thought of turning incoming text into speech and also giving a "magnified" screen mode, but can anyone else come up with anything? Simon -- Email:Simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk, csl@fs2.ee.umist.ac.uk, Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK Tel: (01942) 886084 Fax: (01942) 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) WWW: (Newly updated) http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Mar 2 17:13:25 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Nothing to do with SAM but....... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 16:32:01 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <9503021051.AA07953@booth10.ecs.ox.ac.uk> from "Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk" at Mar 2, 95 11:51:30 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 901 Lines: 19 > On Wed, 1 Mar 1995 19:28:29 +0100, Creature Feature! *PHART* said: > [GLOBAL ALERT FOR ALL - THE SENATORS ARE COMING!] > > I think this is probably a rather overhyped panic over nothing. It would be > impossible for anything like that to happen (IMO) and moreover they cannot > restrict the internet in Europe just by passing a law in the USA. And what do you think the UK internet ethics Committee is all about eh? if the US set a precedent, the world will follow suit. Believe me, it's a lot worse than it may seem at first -- look at my web pages for the details of the actual bill itself. Simon -- Email:Simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk, csl@fs2.ee.umist.ac.uk, Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK Tel: (01942) 886084 Fax: (01942) 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) WWW: (Newly updated) http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Mar 2 18:32:30 1995 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 22:20:38 +0100 X400-Originator: U9350276@queens-belfast.ac.uk X400-Recipients: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/;<9503021620.AA06772@bot31.causew] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: Re: CoMpLaInT From: Creature Feature! *PHART* Message-Id: <9503021620.AA06772@bot31.causeway.qub.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: CoMpLaInT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 4667 Lines: 75 I have missed most of this thread but what I can take out of your conversations is that some of you really don't like my sig! I want a vote on this! Who wants me to keep my .sig the way it is and who wants me to return it to its original state? If you can't remember the old one, it just has the sword and thats all! I just got complaints about the old one so I changed it! And NOTE!!! I'm keeping the sword in it somewhere so you aren't getting too small a sig! :) THANX! P.S. Gene Simmons wouldn't yap about .sigs being too long! Look at the length of the guy's tongue! (KOOL Bass player though! :) P.P.S. This is probably the last time I will get to send a big .sig so.......... ___ _.xxMMMMMMMMMxxx._ _.xMMM"" """MMxx .xM""" "MMx. .xxxx. .xM" ""Mx.xMM" "MMx. .M" .xMM" "Mx M" .xM" .xMx._ M) .M .xM" .xM"" x" _.M" .xM" .xM(_ _.x" _.xxMMMMxxx.._ .xMM" .xM" ".xMM" .xMM"" """MMxx._ .xMM" _.xM" \ .M """"MMx.__.xMM" _.xMMM" .xMxx. M. _.xMMM" O _.xM"" "M. "M. .xMMMMxx._ .__.xxMMM" _.xMM"" "M "x._' / """MMxxx_.xxMM"") """ \_..xxxMMM/"x.._ M. "Mx.| O""" / ___.--"""" "M """\ __.xxM(_.:MM MM:-._ M: _.x"\_..xxxxMMMM""" ".xMM" "MMx. 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""" """ .xM" "Mxx. .xMM" ""MMxx.. . ..xxMM" ""MMMMxx.xMx.xxMMMM"" """" """" ================================================================================ ======== ======== ====== /> ====== ===== ( //---------------------------------------------------\ ===== ===== (*OXOXOXOXO(*>==R=o=n=a=n==T=h=e==B=a=r=b=a=r=i=a=n================> ===== ===== ( \\---------------------------------------------------/ ===== ====== \> ====== ======== ======== ================================================================================ ====================* Ronan FitzGerald: u9350276@qub.ac.uk *==================== =======================* Location: Belfast, N. Ireland *======================== =============================* Tel: (01232) 668261 *============================ ================================================================================ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Mar 2 22:44:55 1995 Date: Thu, 02 Mar 1995 19:52:14 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <7144@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: CoMpLaInT X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 679 Lines: 20 The Blue Alpha sampler tended to sound like a cheap radio with duff batteries. It also drifted like hell! I told Adrian that timer IC was a bad idea! I believe the Edwin Blink Design was better, but I never saw it in the flesh. On Speaking gadgets, no the Blue Alpha had rubbish software in it. I actually debugged it a bit for Adrian, but gave up when I hit that bl**dy page boundary bug! What would be needed for me would be a screen reader and keyboard echo. That could not be done I think. There are TSRs on the PC that allow that sort of thing, but an interrupt driven routine on SAM would probably slow things down. Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Mar 2 22:47:11 1995 Date: Thu, 02 Mar 1995 20:02:46 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <7145@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Blind / Partially sighted support in Termite? X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 612 Lines: 16 Well, It depends how far down the Blind route its practical to go. I at present use a screen magnifier. However, contrasting colours and the ability to change them can be veru useful. Will Termite have a Mono mode where no colour is shown? To be honest, trying to add anything fancy to online use is not worth it. Most blind users use offline systems these days, and would really only need some feedback that the function selected had been acted upon while actually on line. Then of course you can add speach or whatever when offline, as time is not a problem. Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Mar 2 22:51:41 1995 Date: Thu, 02 Mar 1995 20:08:43 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <7146@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: CoMpLaInT X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 175 Lines: 9 Did someone spill the acetone on Creature again, I told you those fumes were potent! Why are we getting every message twice today? Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Mar 2 23:24:43 1995 Message-Id: <20933.199503021110@lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk> From: William Easson <9264201e@udcf.gla.ac.uk> Subject: AAAARRRRGGGGHHHH! ! ! ! STOP! PLEASE! To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 11:10:47 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <164.9503011720@mother.cs.bham.ac.uk> from "P.A.Finn-SE2@computer-science.birmingham.ac.uk" at Mar 1, 95 06:20:56 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2249 Lines: 50 >I very nearly signed off this list, not because of a lack of interest >in the SAM, but because of your attitude. A lot of my postings don't seem to reach the list, but I'm going to try this anyway. This list is degenerating into on big on-line argument; lots of sniping and back-stabbing, but not a lot else. When I first subscribed to this list, I was overjoyed; lots of technical stuff and discussion. "Maybe I'll learn something" I thought. "Given a bit of time, maybe I'll understand what these people are actually on about, and I'll know more about the SAM." In the last couple of weeks, though, we've been getting an awful lot of noise, for not much signal. You can interpret this is two ways... 1) The SAM has inspired an on-line community which readily exchanges ideas and engages in (underneath it all) friendly banter. or.. 2) The list is populated by people who just don't get on, and sooner or later will degenerate into a pointless waste of time and computing resources. This would lead to the list being disbanded; a terrific loss because then ideas for solving the problems involved in developing projects wouldn't have the same range of input. I appeal to you all; please show a little self-control and don't get involved in on-line disputes - carry them on using personal e-mail if you must. Those of us with large .sig files should reduce them if people object. It's no trouble, and saves a lot of aggro and hassle. As for the petition, I think we all ought to sign it. Much e-mail etc does go via computers in the US, and many WWW resources are US-based. The US side of the Internet would collapse. Right. I've got to go off to a "Veterinary Pathological Biochemistry" practical to do an immunoassay. I look forward to reading the mountains of messages this will no doubt provoke (although I'd prefer it if it didn't!). See ya! Will Easson, Internet E-Mail: 9264201e@udcf.gla.ac.uk URL: http://www.gla.ac.uk/Clubs/GUVZS/guvzs.html Snail Mail (home): 24, Buxton Old Road, Disley, Stockport, Cheshire, UK. Snail Mail (work): Glasgow Vet School, Bearsden Road, Bearsden, Glasgow, UK. "A life spent making many mistakes is better than a life spent doing nothing" From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Mar 2 23:29:31 1995 Message-Id: <6647.199503021648@rockall.cent.gla.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 16:48:50 GMT X-Sender: 9264201e@pop-server.cent.gla.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: 9264201e@udcf.gla.ac.uk (Hokum ) Subject: Double Messages X-Mailer: Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 125 Lines: 5 At the risk of sounding like a whiner, is anyone else getting two copies of every message, or is it just me??? Will From imc Fri Mar 3 10:33:38 1995 Subject: Re: Double Messages To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 3 Mar 95 10:33:39 GMT In-Reply-To: <6647.199503021648@rockall.cent.gla.ac.uk>; from "Hokum" at Mar 2, 95 4:48 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 280 Lines: 9 On Thu, 2 Mar 1995 16:48:50 GMT, Hokum said: > At the risk of sounding like a whiner, is anyone else getting two copies of > every message, or is it just me??? I received two copies of this message... (Hmm, I suppose it beats turning each message into a blank.) imc From imc Fri Mar 3 10:39:46 1995 Subject: Re: Blind / Partially sighted support To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 3 Mar 95 10:39:46 GMT In-Reply-To: <7144@bgserv.demon.co.uk>; from "Brian Gaff Sam Dept." at Mar 2, 95 7:52 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 567 Lines: 12 On Thu, 02 Mar 1995 19:52:14 GMT, Brian Gaff Sam Dept. said: > What would be needed for me would be a screen reader and > keyboard echo. That could not be done I think. There are TSRs on > the PC that allow that sort of thing, but an interrupt driven > routine on SAM would probably slow things down. Well a keyboard echo should be no problem. The Currah uSpeech had one of those. The screen reader would be much more of a problem, methinks. Perhaps it could be activated by a particular keypress every so often to read the whole screen at once. imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Mar 3 12:44:09 1995 From: Nigel J Kettlewell Message-Id: <10013.199503031230@gimble> Subject: Re: Sound sampler... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 12:30:18 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: from "Gene Fender" at Mar 2, 95 09:48:28 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 249 Lines: 10 > > I would like to see a good sampler design. Perhaps > voice recognition software for it as well. Maybe Voice recognition? Don't be silly - people using some of the most up-to-date hardware in the world still can't do that. Nige From imc Fri Mar 3 12:46:10 1995 Subject: Re: Sound sampler... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 3 Mar 95 12:46:10 GMT In-Reply-To: <10013.199503031230@gimble>; from "Nigel J Kettlewell" at Mar 3, 95 12:30 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 329 Lines: 8 On Fri, 3 Mar 1995 12:30:18 +0000 (GMT), Nigel J Kettlewell said: > Voice recognition? Don't be silly - people using some of the most up-to-date > hardware in the world still can't do that. I agree. Although there _was_ that article in Your Computer claiming to be a voice recognition program for the ZX81... :-) imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Mar 3 13:08:50 1995 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 18:31:35 +0100 X400-Originator: U9350276@queens-belfast.ac.uk X400-Recipients: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/;<9503031231.AA03960@bot26.causew] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: small test ab... From: Creature Feature! *PHART* Message-Id: <9503031231.AA03960@bot26.causeway.qub.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: small test about Re: Double Messages Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 609 Lines: 20 Just wondering how many times this gets received! And N.B. the lack of huge .sig! Now its just big! :) Any major complaints will resort in no .sig cause I want to use it for other mail! B> THANX! Adios! /> u9350276@qub.ac.uk ====== ( //---------------------------------------------------\ (*OXOXOXOXO(*>========R=o=n=a=n==T=h=e==B=a=r=b=a=r=i=a=n==========> ( \\---------------------------------------------------/ \> Belfast, N. Ireland ====== From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Mar 3 14:06:35 1995 From: Mr Andrew M Gale Message-Id: <9503031345.AA14346@central.surrey.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Sound sampler... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 3 Mar 95 13:45:26 GMT In-Reply-To: <10013.199503031230@gimble>; from "Nigel J Kettlewell" at Mar 3, 95 12:30 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 199 Lines: 8 > > > > I would like to see a good sampler design. Perhaps > > voice recognition software for it as well. Maybe > I wasn't suggesting a *good* sampler, just a *cheap* (ie low cost)one! From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Mar 3 14:50:03 1995 From: Mr Andrew M Gale Message-Id: <9503031344.AA14224@central.surrey.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Sound sampler... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 3 Mar 95 13:44:36 GMT In-Reply-To: <10013.199503031230@gimble>; from "Nigel J Kettlewell" at Mar 3, 95 12:30 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 460 Lines: 19 > > > > > I would like to see a good sampler design. Perhaps > > voice recognition software for it as well. Maybe > > Voice recognition? Don't be silly - people using some of the most up-to-date > hardware in the world still can't do that. > > Nige > > Pardon me, but I remember a device for the ZX81 (by Stewart's systems or electronics or something like that) which sampled and recognised verbally spoken words. Truly. -Andrew From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Mar 3 14:52:36 1995 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 18:33:29 +0100 X400-Originator: U9350276@queens-belfast.ac.uk X400-Recipients: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/;<9503031233.AA04043@bot26.causew] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: what a nasty ... From: Creature Feature! *PHART* Message-Id: <9503031233.AA04043@bot26.causeway.qub.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: what a nasty thing to do Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 599 Lines: 16 OK! Only sent it 5 times! Lets see how many times it gets sent! Just to see if there is a reason for the doubling! I just hope Arnt hasn't fixed it or I'm gonna look really silly! 8( Adios peoples! /> u9350276@qub.ac.uk ====== ( //---------------------------------------------------\ (*OXOXOXOXO(*>========R=o=n=a=n==T=h=e==B=a=r=b=a=r=i=a=n==========> ( \\---------------------------------------------------/ \> Belfast, N. Ireland ====== From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Mar 3 15:20:45 1995 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 20:31:38 +0100 X400-Originator: U9350276@queens-belfast.ac.uk X400-Recipients: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/;<9503031431.AA05043@bot26.causew] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: Re: Sound sam... From: Creature Feature! *PHART* Message-Id: <9503031431.AA05043@bot26.causeway.qub.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sound sampler Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1031 Lines: 24 Come on Andrew!!! Make a sound sampler that gives CD-quality sound and voice recognition software so that I can program without typing! Actually, I wouldn't mind a bit of artificial intelligence (no not for myself) so that I could tell the SAM what to do and it would do it for you! You could put in a full dictionary and encyclopeadia and could look up the meaning of such words as "Sarcasm"............................. :) P.S. Not the most useful of subscribers to this list, but I ain't that bad, REALLY P.P.S. My parents let me live! Does that not show my usefullness??? :) P.P.P.S. Wimpo .sig on its way...*weep* /> u9350276@qub.ac.uk ====== ( //---------------------------------------------------\ (*OXOXOXOXO(*>========R=o=n=a=n==T=h=e==B=a=r=b=a=r=i=a=n==========> ( \\---------------------------------------------------/ \> Belfast, N. Ireland ====== From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Mar 3 16:01:09 1995 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 03 Mar 1995 10:11:40 -0500 From: Gene Fender To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sound sampler... -Reply Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 441 Lines: 9 Voice recognition is NOT a silly notion for the SAM. I was not expecting to use it for dictation, afterall. There were even some little robot toys several years ago that could distinguish enough to accept about 6 commands. You might also be impressed by some of the PC voice rec software. If you use a limited vocabulary, then the software has only to make the best match and could even intelligently guess from the phrase list. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Mar 3 16:12:40 1995 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 13:59:31 +0100 X400-Originator: cgp@st-andrews.ac.uk X400-Recipients: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/;<12421.9503031259@pasta.st-andre] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: Re: Sound sam... From: Colin G Piggot Message-Id: <12421.9503031259@pasta.st-andrews.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sound sampler... Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 93 Lines: 6 > I would like to see a good sampler design. One's on it's way...... Colin Piggot. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Mar 3 17:46:33 1995 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 23:14:49 +0100 X400-Originator: U9350276@queens-belfast.ac.uk X400-Recipients: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/;<9503031714.AA14563@lis23.causew] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: Double messag... From: Creature Feature! *PHART* Message-Id: <9503031714.AA14563@lis23.causeway.qub.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Double message thingy was baddddddddddd Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 464 Lines: 14 Sorry! Did not realise it would come up as silly stuff! :) Adios!!! /> u9350276@qub.ac.uk ====== ( //---------------------------------------------------\ (*OXOXOXOXO(*>========R=o=n=a=n==T=h=e==B=a=r=b=a=r=i=a=n==========> ( \\---------------------------------------------------/ \> Belfast, N. Ireland ====== From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Mar 3 18:04:40 1995 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 11:02:00 +0100 Message-Id: <29559.31368.794224920@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> From: Arnt Gulbrandsen Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: IBM advertising department Subject: Empty messages Status: RO Content-Length: 186 Lines: 5 I think I have solved the empty-/duplicate-message problem, and if anything of the sort happens from now on, I would appreciate hearing about it. --Arnt (postmaster, nvg.unit.no) From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Mar 3 18:34:43 1995 From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk Subject: sampaint To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 18:18:16 +0000 (WET) In-Reply-To: <9503031714.AA14563@lis23.causeway.qub.ac.uk> from "Creature Feature! *PHART*" at Mar 3, 95 11:14:49 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Message-Id: <9503031818.aa14351@almaren.ee.surrey.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 162 Lines: 6 What's all the hype about SAMPaint? After playing with a friends copy, I don't see what the fuss is about... I'd rather use FLASH! or OCP Art Studio. -AG From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sat Mar 4 06:02:06 1995 Date: Sat, 04 Mar 1995 05:53:48 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <7183@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sound sampler... X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 226 Lines: 10 Who mentioned voice recognition? You dont need that. I gather there is a tyerminal for Compuserve that SAYS it has it. My wallet aches at the thought! Brian STILL getting 2 of everything -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sat Mar 4 07:38:39 1995 From: Johnathan Taylor Date: 04 Mar 95 03:19:28 +0000 Subject: Marvellous Message-Id: Organization: CC-NET BBS To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1959 Lines: 46 On (01 Mar 95) ee31ag@surrey.ac.uk wrote to All... e > From: Mr Andrew M Gale e > Date: Wed, 1 Mar 95 20:59:04 GMT e > Dear all, e > Isn't the SAM just marvellous? A computer which everyone e > wants to write something for or upgrade or build something e > for, but no-one ever really uses it for much more important e > than "wordprocessing" some letter (and no more than 64 e > characters to a line, remember), or keeping info about e > their stamp collection in some duff database written in e > MasterBasic. Alternatively we could play some re-hash e > of an ancient game with a dodgy name ('eater' perhaps e > for a pacman game, 'SAMshoot' for space invaders etc...). e > But it's a great machine to learn about programming with, e > isn't it kids? e > It seems the SAM thrives on talk of what is going to be e > released. What utter tosh! I've used My Sam to do REAL comms for 2 years using 80col screen. And REAL Profesional quality Wordstar word processing. I've been using OLR packages for both Fidonet and more recently Internet Mailing. Had an Experimental but fully functional BBS running on My SAM too! And used dial-up unix shell too. It's only recently with increasing mail load that I've stopped using the Sam for mailing as it now has more important things to do. It's even possible to create a small but complete .UUCP site on the SAM The Limit to what the SAM can do for you is imagination and persiverance not other people! If programs arn't being written to do what you want to do then learn to program and do it yourself or at least suggest the imaginative use to others who are just waiting for somthing useful to program! Johnathan. ... I am Elmer Fudd of Borg. I will assimilate that wabbit. -- |Fidonet: Johnathan Taylor 2:2501/307.9 |Internet: jet@centron.com | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sat Mar 4 07:38:40 1995 From: Johnathan Taylor Date: 04 Mar 95 02:50:20 +0000 Subject: C Message-Id: Organization: CC-NET BBS To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2496 Lines: 61 On (02 Mar 95) Frode.Tennebo@himolde.no wrote to All... > From: Frode.Tennebo@himolde.no > Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 13:58:47 +0100 (MET) >> "mcscs3cgm@vaxd.dct.ac.uk" at Mar 2, 95 09:14:09 am > Hi Colin! > Long time no see.... >> There will be a small write up in next month's FORMAT on C, and although >> the technical details have yet to be sorted out, it's planned for release >> sometime in April for about 15 ukp (hopefully), which compares VERY >> favourably to other C compilers. >> When the press release is prepared for the magazines, I'll post a copy of >> it here - in case anyone else is interested. > Sure we'r interested. What about a preview? Will it be a full > featured C, or small C? How about the posibility to hand > optimise code, ie. have assembly IN the C source? And at 15 quid, > it'll probably be another smash. > BTW: How are the money in SAM Software? Can I expect to make money > if I write a superb game (this is all hypothetical, though!) released > through FRED? Ah hem, I was under the impression that this sam native C was simply a port of the Small C compiler to the SAM I/O system and altered the Assembler output to a form compatable with a sam native assembler! If that is correct then is it ethical to release such a PORT of a FREE compiler as COMERCIAL software? Even releasing it SHAREWARE would be pushing the limits of fair play a bit! But at least it'd be more reasonable... I think 15 quid for a FREE compiler is extracting the urine unless that is paying for an Assembler and Editor owned by the person who's selling it as a package with the compiler thrown in for no extra cost. Now if the C compiler was entirly the sellers OWN work from scratch and it was DESIGNED for the SAM from the ground-up and handled the banked memory in such a manner that it was totally compatable with SamDos/MasterDos memory allocation schemes then 15ukp would be an acceptable price for just the compiler. >> Colin Macdonald >> FRED Publishing > -- > | Frode Tennebo | email: frodet@hiMolde.no | > | ECP/PT, CERN, Switzerland | http://www.hiMolde.no/~frodet | > | Phone: +33 50 28 26 17 | Luke@IRC | ... If it wasn't for C, we would be using BASI, PASAL and OBOL! -- |Fidonet: Johnathan Taylor 2:2501/307.9 |Internet: jet@centron.com | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sat Mar 4 07:38:42 1995 From: Johnathan Taylor Date: 04 Mar 95 01:07:54 +0000 Subject: CoMpLaInT Message-Id: Organization: CC-NET BBS To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 3480 Lines: 75 On (02 Mar 95) Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk wrote to All... > Date: Thu, 02 Mar 1995 19:52:14 GMT > From: "Brian Gaff Sam Dept." > The Blue Alpha sampler tended to sound like a cheap radio with > duff batteries. It also drifted like hell! I told Adrian that > timer IC was a bad idea! > I believe the Edwin Blink Design was better, but I never saw it > in the flesh. > On Speaking gadgets, no the Blue Alpha had rubbish software in > it. I actually debugged it a bit for Adrian, but gave up when I > hit that bl**dy page boundary bug! The Blue Alpha box also had a serious BUG in that it didn't impliment the SP-0256 busy line so it couldn't string the allophones together seamlessly. Instead it relied on PAUSE's in the basic program to delay as long as the longest allopone which causes perceivable gaps between the short allophones! Really the SP-0256 interface is virtually a minimal Centronics style interface ie you setup the alophone address on the output port data latch and wait until the chips not busy then pulse the strobe and go get the next allophone to speak and repeat until finished. > What would be needed for me would be a screen reader and > keyboard echo. That could not be done I think. There are TSRs on > the PC that allow that sort of thing, but an interrupt driven > routine on SAM would probably slow things down. It is *possible* to intercept the screen output channel and build up each word in a temporay work-space whilst passing the letters onto the normal screen output channel driver and then at the end of the word use some form of lookup table or rule system to make a good guess at the rerquired allaphones required to speak that word and even to use and unused key combination or input port to pace the speaking! ie the light pen button used so that when the button is depressed it speaks continuosly but if it's released during a text to speach attempt it'd try another logical allaphone sequence that may pronounce the word better! I believe the place such a utility should reside is in a few of the SAM utility ram 1K allocations in a 16k 'utility' page... That would basically be the same funcionality as the PeeCee screen reader TSR as that probably 'hooks' into the bios printing interupt vectors like the ANSI.SYS and KYBD.EXE TSR's do:-) IMHO a 'screen reader' that tries to decode words AFTER they've been printed would be impractical as it'd have to know about what font was used, the mode it was printed in etc. The next thing to that would be to intercept screen output and write a TEXT screen in local memory and 'screen read' that whilst pretending it's scanning the real bit-mapped screen with a cursor;-) Neither of these methods need special interupt handling, the only bit that'll slow the sam down is the actual speaking! Heck it should even be possible to use the print intecept TEXT copy of the screen to swap in a BIG FONT scrolling window using the line interupt to display in split screen mode the TEXT contents of the original screen! Of course I couldn't program this myself as it requires intimate knowledge of sam native mode operations which I don't have;-) Regards Johnathan. ... :.::: ::..: ::.::. :..:: Tagline in Braille -- |Fidonet: Johnathan Taylor 2:2501/307.9 |Internet: jet@centron.com | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sat Mar 4 15:32:35 1995 From: stefan.drissen@tic.iaf.nl Original-Received: by tic.iaf.nl id 0H7K2003 Sat, 04 Mar 95 12:15:02 -0600 Pp-Warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line Message-Id: <9503041215.0H7K200@tic.iaf.nl> Organization: Internet Connection BBS X-Mailer: TBBS/PIMP v3.11 Date: Sat, 04 Mar 95 12:15:02 -0600 Subject: RE: SOUND SAMPLER... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 163 Lines: 7 Hi Colin, if there's a good soundsampler under way, I'm sure there's some good software underway (nearly done, just some timing to work out). Bye... SF From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sat Mar 4 15:32:48 1995 From: stefan.drissen@tic.iaf.nl Original-Received: by tic.iaf.nl id 0HG4E006 Sat, 04 Mar 95 12:25:11 -0600 Pp-Warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line Message-Id: <9503041225.0HG4E00@tic.iaf.nl> Organization: Internet Connection BBS X-Mailer: TBBS/PIMP v3.11 Date: Sat, 04 Mar 95 12:25:11 -0600 Subject: The Edwin design To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 359 Lines: 10 Hi Brian, if you're going to the Gloucester show on the 29th you should be able to see a working EDDAC. With the MOD software (not the player on fred) it sounds really cool. Martijn Groen has written a little program to play .WAV files on it. Actually even the Blue Alpha Sampler sounds rather good when playing mod files. Cheerio, Stefan From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Mar 6 05:20:06 1995 Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 23:12:02 +0100 X400-Originator: eraadr X400-Recipients: sam-users@no.unit.nvg X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/;<8660.199503052212@csgi30.scs.le] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: Gloucester Sh... From: eraadr@scs.leeds.ac.uk Message-Id: <8660.199503052212@csgi30.scs.leeds.ac.uk> To: sam-users Subject: Gloucester Show, need info! Original-Sender: owner-sam-users@no.unit.nvg Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 943 Lines: 26 --------- Received message begins Here --------- > From: stefan.drissen@tic.iaf.nl > Date: Sat, 04 Mar 95 12:25:11 -0600 > Subject: The Edwin design > > Hi Brian, > > if you're going to the Gloucester show on the 29th you should be able to see a > working EDDAC. With the MOD software (not the player on fred) it sounds really > cool. Martijn Groen has written a little program to play .WAV files on it. WHEN exactly is the Gloucester show, on 29th of what? (march, april, ...) I would like to go there but I need info on the day, the starting and ending time, the place and how to get there from the railway station. Please can someone give me details?! > Actually even the Blue Alpha Sampler sounds rather good when playing mod files. Where can I get a program to do this? (I have a Blue Alpha sampler but I didn't use it anymore because of the poor sound quality) > Cheerio, Stefan > Bye, Arne From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Mar 6 11:49:23 1995 From: mcscs3cgm@vaxd.dundee-tech.ac.uk Date: Mon, 06 Mar 1995 11:12:43 GMT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-Id: <0098CF3B.AAFC47E0.32@vaxd.dct.ac.uk> Subject: RE: C Original-Sender: owner-sam-users@no.unit.nvg Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 522 Lines: 16 Frode, Thanks. Still not sure whether it will be full C or Small C, but either way you should be able to hand optimise the code. Full details when we can work them out. The money isn't great, but it beats working in a supermarket or similar. After all, we've still got a lot of programmers doing stuff. And a message to Jonathan Taylor, You don't have to buy our version of C. You too could spend 12 months writing it and creating a manual, then it wouldn't have cost you a penny ;) Colin Macdonald From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Mar 6 13:48:17 1995 From: mcscs3cgm@vaxd.dundee-tech.ac.uk Date: Mon, 06 Mar 1995 11:15:10 GMT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-Id: <0098CF3C.0260B7A0.45@vaxd.dct.ac.uk> Subject: RE: Gloucester Show, need info! Original-Sender: owner-sam-users@no.unit.nvg Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 341 Lines: 7 Gloucester Show is on the 29th April 1995, from 10am - 4pm (although a visit to the pub next door might make it a bit later) It's held at Quedgelely Village Hall in Quedgelely, Gloucester. There's a bus station across the road from the train station which will get you there in about 20 minutes, or a taxi will cost about a fiver. From imc Mon Mar 6 13:50:23 1995 Subject: RE: Gloucester Show, need info! To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 6 Mar 95 13:50:23 GMT In-Reply-To: <0098CF3C.0260B7A0.45@vaxd.dct.ac.uk>; from "mcscs3cgm@vaxd.dundee-tech.ac.uk" at Mar 6, 95 11:15 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 321 Lines: 8 On Mon, 06 Mar 1995 11:15:10 GMT, mcscs3cgm@vaxd.dundee-tech.ac.uk said: > Gloucester Show is on the 29th April 1995, from 10am - 4pm (although a visit > to the pub next door might make it a bit later) Humph. Yet again, the same weekend as the beginning of the REXX symposium, so it's one or the other... imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Mar 6 14:07:32 1995 From: Lord Blackadder Message-Id: <9503061001.AA17901@bs47c.staffs.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Sound sampler... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 10:01:37 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: from "Gene Fender" at Mar 2, 95 09:48:28 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 350 Lines: 14 > > I would like to see a good sampler design. Perhaps > voice recognition software for it as well. Maybe > a utility for converting to and from PC's .WAV file > format? > > How about adding the speech facility to the quasar surround sound card? A bit like the software that comes with the sound blaster 16 on the PC. Lord B' From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Mar 6 14:44:57 1995 From: Nigel J Kettlewell Message-Id: <15765.199503061134@wabe.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Sound sampler... -Reply To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 11:34:40 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: from "Gene Fender" at Mar 3, 95 10:11:40 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1112 Lines: 36 > > Voice recognition is NOT a silly notion for the SAM. Yes it is. > I was not expecting to use it for dictation, afterall. > There were even some little robot toys several years > ago that could distinguish enough to accept about 6 > commands. You might also be impressed by some of the > PC voice rec software. If you use a limited vocabulary, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This is the problem, plus the way people's accents vary. Speech from someone from, say, Newcastle will be more than a little bit different from an American accent. > then the software has only to make the best match and > could even intelligently guess from the phrase list. > > OK, so you've got 512k on your SAM. To get a decent sample you need 44kHz (this will sample frequencies up to 22kHz, and your average person's voice will be well within this range) and 8 bits per sample, I guess. So, that's 44k a second. So, you'll fill up your available memory in roughly 10 seconds. And you've got to _process_ that data, not just sample it. No way. Nige From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Mar 6 14:47:55 1995 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 14:23:17 +0100 X400-Originator: cgp@st-andrews.ac.uk X400-Recipients: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/;<24226.9503061323@pasta.st-andre] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: Re: Sound sam... From: Colin G Piggot Message-Id: <24226.9503061323@pasta.st-andrews.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sound sampler... Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 421 Lines: 11 > Lord Blackadder said: > > How about adding the speech facility to the quazar surround sound card? > > A bit like the software that comes with the sound blaster 16 on the PC I'm looking into it, as i have all the allophones that are used to make up words, the only nasty thing is the logic to decipher how to pronounce words, I've got the rules somewhere - so i will see what i can knock up. Colin Piggot From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Mar 6 14:52:36 1995 From: "Doore, Dan [MIS]" To: sam-users Subject: RE: sampaint Date: Mon, 06 Mar 95 09:26:00 PST Message-Id: <2F5B447C@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 26 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 551 Lines: 26 > What's all the hype about SAMPaint? > After playing with a friends copy, I don't > see what the fuss is about... I'd rather use > FLASH! or OCP Art Studio. Sorry, did I just miss something? Let me get this straight, you'd rather use Flash! than SamPaint? NURSE!! SamPaint is superb - oodles of features, plus it has something that Flash hasn't got - Speed - try using a mouse in Flash! (haw haw haw) and you will know why SamPaint is vastly superior. Hey Graham B, Where's that tenner? :)) Dan Doore. > -AG > > From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Mar 6 15:32:42 1995 From: Tim Paveley Message-Id: <25693.9503061500@titian.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Gloucester Show, need info! To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 15:00:00 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <8660.199503052212@csgi30.scs.leeds.ac.uk> from "eraadr@scs.leeds.ac.uk" at Mar 5, 95 11:12:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 866 Lines: 26 If you can't get Web Access then please ignore this message. To Quote eraadr@scs.leeds.ac.uk : > time, the place and how to get there from the railway station. > Please can someone give me details?! I've got a copy of the map that has been sent out with FRED for past shows available on the Web. There is a nice JPG map, and a whole load of text about how to get there. If you have access to a Web Browser, then take a look at http://whig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~tsp93/Coupe/show/info.html and the map is ..../show/map.jpg Even if you can't view the map, the text to go with it is still reasonably useful. And if anyone can think of a reason why I shouldn't have this info available tell me and I'll get rid of it :( Tim -- Tim Paveley - University of Southampton Sam Coupe Web Pages: http://whig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~tsp93/Coupe/home.html From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Mar 6 15:44:36 1995 From: Frode.Tennebo@hiMolde.no Message-Id: <199503061515.AA10028@lyr.hiMolde.no> Subject: Re: Gloucester Show, need info! To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 16:15:43 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <9503061350.AA04201@booth5.ecs.ox.ac.uk> from "Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk" at Mar 6, 95 02:50:23 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 835 Lines: 23 > > On Mon, 06 Mar 1995 11:15:10 GMT, mcscs3cgm@vaxd.dundee-tech.ac.uk said: > > Gloucester Show is on the 29th April 1995, from 10am - 4pm (although a visit > > to the pub next door might make it a bit later) > > Humph. Yet again, the same weekend as the beginning of the REXX symposium, > so it's one or the other... Ah! But this is not really a dilemma - at least I knwo what I would choose. No doubt! And it's not beginning with 'RE' and ending with two unknowns. > > imc > -- ^ One To-day is Worth Two To-morrows (Ben Franklin) ^ | ....or: One To-morrow is Worth a Quarter of One Yester-day... | | Frode Tennebo | email: frodet@hiMolde.no | | ECP/PT, CERN, Switzerland | http://www.hiMolde.no/~frodet | | Phone: +33 50 28 26 17 | Luke@IRC | From imc Mon Mar 6 15:46:14 1995 Subject: Re: Gloucester Show, need info! To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 6 Mar 95 15:46:14 GMT In-Reply-To: <199503061515.AA10028@lyr.hiMolde.no>; from "Frode.Tennebo@hiMolde.no" at Mar 6, 95 4:15 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 235 Lines: 7 On Mon, 6 Mar 1995 16:15:43 +0100 (MET), Frode.Tennebo@hiMolde.no said: > Ah! But this is not really a dilemma - at least I knwo what I would > choose. Yes, but one of them is in California. And it isn't the Sam show... imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Mar 6 15:49:11 1995 From: Nigel J Kettlewell Message-Id: <28807.199503061518@cinino.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: sampaint To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 15:18:40 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <2F5B447C@courier.lmu.ac.uk> from "Doore, Dan [MIS]" at Mar 6, 95 09:26:00 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 968 Lines: 26 > > What's all the hype about SAMPaint? > > After playing with a friends copy, I don't > > see what the fuss is about... I'd rather use > > FLASH! or OCP Art Studio. > > Sorry, did I just miss something? You and me both. > SamPaint [...] has something that Flash hasn't > got - Speed - try using a mouse in Flash! (haw haw haw) and you will know > why SamPaint is vastly superior. Too right. Using a mouse in SAMPaint is totally smooth, from what I can remember of the demos I've had of it, whereas with Flash you _had_ to use the keyboard to get small movements as it was totally impossible to do anything precise with the mouse. All of the operations in Flash were really slow, too - and as for Art Studio being better than SAMPaint - you're nuts. OK, it might appear slightly quicker for some things but then that's because it's operating on a screen which is one third the size (in terms of memory used) of the SAM screen. Nige From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Mar 6 16:22:28 1995 From: goringgn Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 15:58:33 GMT Message-Id: <10110.9503061558@sun.aston.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: sampaint X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1149 Lines: 32 > > > What's all the hype about SAMPaint? > > > After playing with a friends copy, I don't > > > see what the fuss is about... I'd rather use > > > FLASH! or OCP Art Studio. > > > > Sorry, did I just miss something? > > You and me both. > > > SamPaint [...] has something that Flash hasn't > > got - Speed - try using a mouse in Flash! (haw haw haw) and you will know > > why SamPaint is vastly superior. > > Too right. Using a mouse in SAMPaint is totally smooth, from what I can > remember of the demos I've had of it, whereas with Flash you _had_ to use > the keyboard to get small movements as it was totally impossible to do > anything precise with the mouse. > > All of the operations in Flash were really slow, too - and as for Art Studio > being better than SAMPaint - you're nuts. OK, it might appear slightly > quicker for some things but then that's because it's operating on a screen > which is one third the size (in terms of memory used) of the SAM screen. > > Nige > > Let's hear from Graham Burtenshaw on this one... I love SAMPaint btw. So easy to produce the BEST effects. Mmmm. Graham From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Mar 6 16:23:33 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: sampaint To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 15:47:03 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <2F5B447C@courier.lmu.ac.uk> from "Doore, Dan [MIS]" at Mar 6, 95 09:26:00 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 625 Lines: 19 > > What's all the hype about SAMPaint? > > After playing with a friends copy, I don't > > see what the fuss is about... I'd rather use > > FLASH! or OCP Art Studio. > > Sorry, did I just miss something? > > Let me get this straight, you'd rather use Flash! than > SamPaint? I would too actually -- in fact, I still do :) Simon -- Email:Simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk, csl@fs2.ee.umist.ac.uk, Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK Tel: (01942) 886084 Fax: (01942) 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) WWW: (Newly updated) http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Mar 6 16:27:14 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Sound sampler... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 15:49:48 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <24226.9503061323@pasta.st-andrews.ac.uk> from "Colin G Piggot" at Mar 6, 95 02:23:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 797 Lines: 18 > I'm looking into it, as i have all the allophones that are used to make up > words, the only nasty thing is the logic to decipher how to pronounce words, > I've got the rules somewhere - so i will see what i can knock up. Colin -- please email me the sounds!!! I'll put blind support in Termite if it's the last thing I do!!!! The scrolling window idea that was mentioned will work -- just got to implement it. Fortunately, it'll be part of the same logic which handles the scroll buffer... Simon -- Email:Simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk, csl@fs2.ee.umist.ac.uk, Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK Tel: (01942) 886084 Fax: (01942) 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) WWW: (Newly updated) http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Mar 6 16:34:32 1995 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 06 Mar 1995 10:57:21 -0500 From: Gene Fender To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: More on Voice Rec... Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 598 Lines: 14 Once again, it is NOT silly. Remember, there is a limited vocabulary. If the only phrases in the universe are left, right, stop, forward and back, for instance, then there is not too much to distinguish. Basically the distinction is between eh, long i, ah, oh-ahr and short a, in this case. As for recognizing various accents - who cares - the program could be "trained" to respond to one (or a few) users. Sampling can be pretty crude as well. As I mentioned earlier, v. rec. has been used to decent effect in a TOY. Surely it didn't have a huge rom. Never say never Nige. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Mar 6 16:57:14 1995 From: Frode.Tennebo@hiMolde.no Message-Id: <199503061614.AA10471@lyr.hiMolde.no> Subject: Re: Gloucester Show, need info! To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 17:14:07 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <9503061546.AA08479@booth5.ecs.ox.ac.uk> from "Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk" at Mar 6, 95 04:46:14 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 747 Lines: 22 > > On Mon, 6 Mar 1995 16:15:43 +0100 (MET), Frode.Tennebo@hiMolde.no said: > > Ah! But this is not really a dilemma - at least I knwo what I would > > choose. > > Yes, but one of them is in California. And it isn't the Sam show... California me here, and California me there. One of them is in Glouchester, and that's the SAM show, and I have never been to Glouchester either. :) > > imc > -- ^ One To-day is Worth Two To-morrows (Ben Franklin) ^ | ....or: One To-morrow is Worth a Quarter of One Yester-day... | | Frode Tennebo | email: frodet@hiMolde.no | | ECP/PT, CERN, Switzerland | http://www.hiMolde.no/~frodet | | Phone: +33 50 28 26 17 | Luke@IRC | From imc Mon Mar 6 17:03:15 1995 Subject: Re: Gloucester Show, need info! To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 6 Mar 95 17:03:15 GMT In-Reply-To: <199503061614.AA10471@lyr.hiMolde.no>; from "Frode.Tennebo@hiMolde.no" at Mar 6, 95 5:14 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 136 Lines: 6 On Mon, 6 Mar 1995 17:14:07 +0100 (MET), Frode.Tennebo@hiMolde.no said: > California me here, and California me there. Eh? imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Mar 6 17:03:40 1995 From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk Subject: Re: Sound sampler... -Reply To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 16:43:31 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <15765.199503061134@wabe.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> from "Nigel J Kettlewell" at Mar 6, 95 11:34:40 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Message-Id: <9503061643.aa02890@eels14.ee.surrey.ac.uk.> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1063 Lines: 32 > > > > > Voice recognition is NOT a silly notion for the SAM. > > Yes it is. > > > I was not expecting to use it for dictation, afterall. > > There were even some little robot toys several years > > ago that could distinguish enough to accept about 6 > > commands. You might also be impressed by some of the > > PC voice rec software. If you use a limited vocabulary, > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > This is the problem, plus the way people's accents vary. Speech from someone > from, say, Newcastle will be more than a little bit different from an > American accent. > > No way. > > Nige > > I don't really think we need to worry too much about Americans, do we? I'll say it again: there used to be a voice recognition system for the ZX81 - ok, it was slow, but that's hardly surprising for the ZX81, is it? Also, our science teacher at secondary school had a limited word recognition system for the BBC B - which used a limited vocabulary. So don't tell me the SAM can't do it! -AG From imc Mon Mar 6 17:07:29 1995 Subject: speech To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 6 Mar 95 17:07:29 GMT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 151 Lines: 4 Incidentally, I've found a copy of my speech program for the native spectrum. It works surprisingly well on xz80 on this Sparc 2 machine... imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Mar 6 17:12:01 1995 From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk Subject: Re: Sound sampler... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 16:54:50 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: from "Simon Cooke" at Mar 6, 95 03:49:48 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Message-Id: <9503061655.aa02994@eels14.ee.surrey.ac.uk.> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 44 Lines: 4 Can I just ask: what is Termite? -AG From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Mar 6 17:23:22 1995 From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk Subject: Re: sampaint To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 16:53:54 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: from "Simon Cooke" at Mar 6, 95 03:47:03 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Message-Id: <9503061654.aa02977@eels14.ee.surrey.ac.uk.> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 218 Lines: 6 Let's face it - since SAMPaint works in mode 4 only it must be for people who don't *do* much with their SAM. Any serious users find themselves rarely out of mode 3 - technical drawing is a 'no' in mode 4. -AG From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Mar 6 17:56:54 1995 From: "Doore, Dan [MIS]" To: sam-users Subject: Re: sampaint Date: Mon, 06 Mar 95 17:28:00 PST Message-Id: <2F5BB51F@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 9 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 139 Lines: 9 > Let's face it - since SAMPaint works in mode 4 only LIES LIES!!!! It works in Mode3 just fine thankyouverymuch. Dan Doore From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Mar 6 18:01:29 1995 From: Frode Tennebo Message-Id: <199503061740.AA14640@ulke.hiMolde.no> Subject: Re: Gloucester Show, need info! To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 18:40:20 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <1850.199503061652@rockall.cent.gla.ac.uk> from "Hokum" at Mar 6, 95 04:52:10 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 623 Lines: 19 > I take it from this that either... > a) the Gloucester show is getting rather crap (despite the initial enthusiasm) > b) REXX is really something. Or c) None of the above. > > I've never been to a Gloucester show, because they are always at really > awkward times. > > -- ^ One To-day is Worth Two To-morrows (Ben Franklin) ^ | ....or: One To-morrow is Worth a Quarter of One Yester-day... | | Frode Tennebo | email: frodet@hiMolde.no | | ECP/PT, CERN, Switzerland | http://www.hiMolde.no/~frodet | | Phone: +33 50 28 26 17 | Luke@IRC | From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Mar 6 18:02:58 1995 From: "Doore, Dan [MIS]" To: sam-users Subject: Re: Sound sampler... -Reply Date: Mon, 06 Mar 95 17:15:00 PST Message-Id: <2F5BB20A@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 22 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 710 Lines: 22 > I don't really think we need to worry too much about Americans, do we? > I'll say it again: there used to be a voice recognition system for > the ZX81 - ok, it was slow, but that's hardly surprising for the ZX81, > is it? Also, our science teacher at secondary school had a limited > word recognition system for the BBC B - which used a limited > vocabulary. So don't tell me the SAM can't do it! Yay! I remember Micro Live (I think it was) doing a demo of that on the telly! Ah, those were the days... But anyway, for single user voice recognition, SAM should be up for the job of SIMPLE (just wanted to point that out) speech recognition, and why not. Dan Doore. > > -AG > > From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Mar 6 18:12:23 1995 Message-Id: <2275.199503061654@rockall.cent.gla.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 16:54:38 GMT X-Sender: 9264201e@pop-server.cent.gla.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: 9264201e@udcf.gla.ac.uk (Hokum) Subject: Re: Gloucester Show, need info! X-Mailer: Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 366 Lines: 13 >On Mon, 6 Mar 1995 16:15:43 +0100 (MET), Frode.Tennebo@hiMolde.no said: >> Ah! But this is not really a dilemma - at least I knwo what I would >> choose. > >Yes, but one of them is in California. And it isn't the Sam show... Now THAT'S an idea! The Americans wouldn't know what hit them when a load of SAM users hit California! All four of us. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Mar 6 18:12:53 1995 Message-Id: <1850.199503061652@rockall.cent.gla.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 16:52:10 GMT X-Sender: 9264201e@pop-server.cent.gla.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: 9264201e@udcf.gla.ac.uk (Hokum) Subject: Re: Gloucester Show, need info! X-Mailer: Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 400 Lines: 12 >Ah! But this is not really a dilemma - at least I knwo what I would >choose. No doubt! And it's not beginning with 'RE' and ending with >two unknowns. I take it from this that either... a) the Gloucester show is getting rather crap (despite the initial enthusiasm) b) REXX is really something. I've never been to a Gloucester show, because they are always at really awkward times. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Mar 6 18:26:20 1995 Message-Id: <1310.199503061646@rockall.cent.gla.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 16:46:16 GMT X-Sender: 9264201e@pop-server.cent.gla.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: 9264201e@udcf.gla.ac.uk (Hokum) Subject: Re: Sound sampler... -Reply X-Mailer: Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 598 Lines: 9 Sorry to stick my opinionated nose into things I know very little about, but... >This is the problem, plus the way people's accents vary. Speech from someone >from, say, Newcastle will be more than a little bit different from an >American accent. >From what I remember from the press release, the Amstrad penpad thingy "learnt" over time what your handwriting was like. While it proabably has more memory than the SAM, and voice recogition requires more memory, something, even syllabalic commands would be feasible. Using this method. But then, I've only ever programmed in BASIC... From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Mar 6 18:46:20 1995 Message-Id: <515.199503061639@rockall.cent.gla.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 16:39:31 GMT X-Sender: 9264201e@pop-server.cent.gla.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 4 (Low) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: 9264201e@udcf.gla.ac.uk (Hokum) Subject: RE: sampaint X-Mailer: Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1645 Lines: 46 > >> What's all the hype about SAMPaint? >> After playing with a friends copy, I don't >> see what the fuss is about... I'd rather use >> FLASH! or OCP Art Studio. > >Sorry, did I just miss something? > >Let me get this straight, you'd rather use Flash! than >SamPaint? > >NURSE!! > >SamPaint is superb - oodles of features, plus it has something that Flash >hasn't >got - Speed - try using a mouse in Flash! (haw haw haw) and you will know >why >SamPaint is vastly superior. > Indeed. SAMPaint is what the SAM should have had in the first place; not just a souped-up "Artist 2". >> After playing with a friends copy, I don't >> see what the fuss is about.. Hmm. Try automatic shading, dithering, blurring, mixing, perspective, speed, anti aliasing on text... I don't have my SAM here with me, but that lot is just for starters. I don't think that having a quick play on SAMPaint can possibly do it justice. I'm starting to sound like an advert, but in my humble opinion (no three letter abbreviations- I hate them!) it really is so good - even when compared to the "art package" we have here at the vet-school. I can't say I've ever tried a full-priced 16-bit art package, but I'll bet SAMPaint comes very close! FLASH! was good for a while, but it really says something when I generated shapes using BASIC, and then loaded the resultant SCREEN$ into FLASH! rather than do it using the mouse. Bo Jangeborg no doubt did his best in the limited time he had available, but I think even he would agree that FLASH looks like a kid's sketch-o-graph compared with SAMPaint. Yours, From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Mar 6 20:26:09 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Sound sampler... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 20:09:33 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <9503061655.aa02994@eels14.ee.surrey.ac.uk.> from "ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk" at Mar 6, 95 04:54:50 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 480 Lines: 15 > > Can I just ask: what is Termite? It's the SAM Comms software I've been working on and off on for over a year... And actually, I'm using it right now to send this email to you! Simon -- Email:Simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk, csl@fs2.ee.umist.ac.uk, Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK Tel: (01942) 886084 Fax: (01942) 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) WWW: (Newly updated) http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Mar 6 20:45:42 1995 From: David Zambonini To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 20:29:44 GMT Subject: Re: Gloucester Show, need info! Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <93B009672D@physx1s.cf.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 353 Lines: 16 > >> Ah! But this is not really a dilemma - at least I knwo what I would > >> choose. > > > >Yes, but one of them is in California. And it isn't the Sam show... > > Now THAT'S an idea! The Americans wouldn't know what hit them when a load of > SAM users hit California! > > All four of us. > Five! count me in.... :-) DMZ === From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Mar 7 00:59:09 1995 From: stefan.drissen@tic.iaf.nl Original-Received: by tic.iaf.nl id 0Q7D6006 Mon, 06 Mar 95 18:39:11 -0600 Pp-Warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line Message-Id: <9503061839.0Q7D600@tic.iaf.nl> Organization: Internet Connection BBS X-Mailer: TBBS/PIMP v3.11 Date: Mon, 06 Mar 95 18:39:11 -0600 Subject: Gloucester? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2212 Lines: 46 Hi Arne! > WHEN exactly is the Gloucester show, on 29th of what? (march, april, ...) > I would like to go there but I need info on the day, the starting and ending > time, the place and how to get there from the railway station. > Please can someone give me details?! I am assuming you do not read FRED or FORMAT, 'cos else you would have known about the world famous Gloucester show. The show where all the celebreties meet to try to impress each other with how bloody crap they are at coding.... Anyway, the Gloucester show is on the 29th of April 1995 (that's a Saturday) in Quedgley (a suburb of Gloucester or something), and will be running from 10.30 through till 16.00 (I believe, I'm sure someone can correct me on that). To get to Quedgley from the trainstation simply take a bus to Quedgley, the place to ask for is Tesco's which is located in a shopping mall. The village hall (where the show will be held) can be seen when disembarking from the bus. I managed to get there the last two times without any hassles whatsoever (well a few...) so you should be able to too, after all, I've got to cross the channel. >> Actually even the Blue Alpha Sampler sounds rather good when playing mod >> files. > Where can I get a program to do this? (I have a Blue Alpha sampler but I didn't > use it anymore because of the poor sound quality) Well, I'll be releasing the SAM MOD player version 2.00 soon. This wonderful little program will play four track Amiga modules (noisetracker, protracker, startrekker) via either the soundchip, eddac, dac, blue alpha or Quazar Surround Soundcard at 10.4Khz. You can load mods directly from PC or SAM disc, all Protracker effects are implemented (just about). I will be selling the SAM MOD player for 10 dutch guilders or 5 pounds sterling (cash only). For this meagre sum you also get instructions for using the mod code in your own software, plus I will NOT be releasing the code into public domain until at least 1996. If you want an unbiased opinion about the mod player, ask DJ Doore. And that's that, hope to have been of some help.... Solar Flare of Entropy (mailable at Stefan.Drissen@tic.iaf.nl) From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Mar 7 01:05:43 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Gloucester Show, need info! To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 00:51:03 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <93B009672D@physx1s.cf.ac.uk> from "David Zambonini" at Mar 6, 95 08:29:44 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 541 Lines: 14 > > Now THAT'S an idea! The Americans wouldn't know what hit them when a load of > > SAM users hit California! > > All four of us. > Five! count me in.... :-) Make that six -- as long as we can detour via Chicago for me to see my girlfriend :) Simon -- Email:Simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk, csl@fs2.ee.umist.ac.uk, Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK Tel: (01942) 886084 Fax: (01942) 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) WWW: (Newly updated) http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Mar 7 06:16:24 1995 Date: Tue, 07 Mar 1995 05:38:58 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <7225@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: C X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 380 Lines: 11 I have to chip in here. Utopia does not exist! There must be work involved in porting over any software to SAM. Is not the person quite at liberty to make a charge for that and the distribution and manuals? I know that money is not your driving force, Jonathan, but it is a rather important item when you want to stay off the streets! Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Mar 7 06:16:45 1995 Date: Tue, 07 Mar 1995 05:45:59 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <7226@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: CoMpLaInT X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 254 Lines: 9 Your Braille tagline is made from apostrophes and L signs... o o oo o o o o o o o oo o o o o oo oo o m o oo o o o SAM RULER HERE. Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Mar 7 06:17:23 1995 Date: Tue, 07 Mar 1995 05:56:02 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <7227@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sound sampler... X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 246 Lines: 10 If its any consolation, the 500 pound HAL talking gadget for the PC seems to think that BRIAN is sais as BREEAN. It only says BRIAN if i spell it BRYAN. It has a lot of trouble with abbreviations too! Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Mar 7 09:43:23 1995 From: Nigel J Kettlewell Message-Id: <6277.199503070927@verchon.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Sound sampler... -Reply To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 09:27:45 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <1310.199503061646@rockall.cent.gla.ac.uk> from "Hokum" at Mar 6, 95 16:46:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 857 Lines: 22 > > Sorry to stick my opinionated nose into things I know very little about, > but... That's OK, it's a bit of fun, isn't it? > From what I remember from the press release, the Amstrad penpad thingy > "learnt" over time what your handwriting was like. While it proabably has > more memory than the SAM, and voice recogition requires more memory, > something, even syllabalic commands would be feasible. Using this method. > But then, I've only ever programmed in BASIC... > Yeah but reconising characters on a bit of paper which you scan in, or draw on your penpad (or whatever) is a damn sight easier. There's OCR (Optical Character Recognition) s/w bundled with lots of Amiga/PC (etc) hand scanners, and I think the Post Office have used it for years to automatically read postcodes, though I'm not certain about that. Nige From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Mar 7 09:44:37 1995 From: Nigel J Kettlewell Message-Id: <6287.199503070928@verchon.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: sampaint To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 09:28:50 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <9503061654.aa02977@eels14.ee.surrey.ac.uk.> from "ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk" at Mar 6, 95 16:53:54 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 366 Lines: 16 > > Let's face it - since SAMPaint works in mode 4 only it > must be for people who don't *do* much with their SAM. > Any serious users find themselves rarely out of mode 3 > - technical drawing is a 'no' in mode 4. So draw half your screen at a time, with (the same) 4 colours in each, and paste them together afterwards :-) > -AG > > Nige From imc Tue Mar 7 10:49:18 1995 Subject: Re: Gloucester Show, need info! To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 7 Mar 95 10:49:18 GMT In-Reply-To: ; from "Simon Cooke" at Mar 7, 95 12:51 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 346 Lines: 10 On Tue, 7 Mar 1995 00:51:03 +0000 (GMT), Simon Cooke said: > Make that six -- as long as we can detour via Chicago for me to see my > girlfriend :) Certainly not. You can tell her that if we are travelling 8000 miles to California then she should be able to make the 3000 mile trip no problem... imc PS I made the distances up... From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Mar 7 12:39:06 1995 From: goringgn Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 10:28:12 GMT Message-Id: <3963.9503071028@sun.aston.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Gloucester Show, need info! X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 342 Lines: 10 > > > Now THAT'S an idea! The Americans wouldn't know what hit them when a load of > > > SAM users hit California! > > > All four of us. > > Five! count me in.... :-) > Make that six -- as long as we can detour via Chicago for me to see my > girlfriend :) Make that seven. I've always wanted to punch an american! (oops) Graham From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Mar 7 13:56:26 1995 From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk Subject: Re: sampaint To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 11:03:05 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <6287.199503070928@verchon.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> from "Nigel J Kettlewell" at Mar 7, 95 09:28:50 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Message-Id: <9503071103.aa12549@eels7.ee.surrey.ac.uk.> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 463 Lines: 22 > > > > > Let's face it - since SAMPaint works in mode 4 only it > > must be for people who don't *do* much with their SAM. > > Any serious users find themselves rarely out of mode 3 > > - technical drawing is a 'no' in mode 4. > > So draw half your screen at a time, with (the same) 4 colours in each, and > paste them together afterwards :-) > > > -AG > > > > > > Nige > > Or use FLASH! Nothing like making things easy, eh? -AG From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Mar 7 14:05:03 1995 Message-Id: <29460.199503070919@rockall.cent.gla.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 09:19:00 GMT X-Sender: 9264201e@pop-server.cent.gla.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: 9264201e@udcf.gla.ac.uk (Hokum) Subject: Re: Gloucester Show, need info! X-Mailer: Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 353 Lines: 14 >> > Now THAT'S an idea! The Americans wouldn't know what hit them when a load of >> > SAM users hit California! >> > All four of us. >> Five! count me in.... :-) >Make that six -- as long as we can detour via Chicago for me to see my >girlfriend :) Okay, no problem. Your web pages are looking well smart, by the way. Will Easson From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Mar 7 14:08:00 1995 Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 11:12:29 +0000 (GMT) From: Tim Wells X-Sender: tgw1001@puce.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sound sampler... -Reply In-Reply-To: <6277.199503070927@verchon.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 932 Lines: 20 > > From what I remember from the press release, the Amstrad penpad thingy > > "learnt" over time what your handwriting was like. While it proabably has > > more memory than the SAM, and voice recogition requires more memory, > > something, even syllabalic commands would be feasible. Using this method. > > But then, I've only ever programmed in BASIC... > > > > Yeah but reconising characters on a bit of paper which you scan in, or draw > on your penpad (or whatever) is a damn sight easier. There's OCR (Optical > Character Recognition) s/w bundled with lots of Amiga/PC (etc) hand > scanners, and I think the Post Office have used it for years to > automatically read postcodes, though I'm not certain about that. OCR works fine on typed characters, but doesn't stand a chance with handwriting. That's why it has taken years for the PO to develop systems that can have a guess at handwriting. Tim. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Mar 7 14:19:17 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Gloucester Show, need info! To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 14:14:50 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <29460.199503070919@rockall.cent.gla.ac.uk> from "Hokum" at Mar 7, 95 09:19:00 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 491 Lines: 17 > >Make that six -- as long as we can detour via Chicago for me to see my > >girlfriend :) > > Okay, no problem. *smiles* thanks! > Your web pages are looking well smart, by the way. Cheers! Si -- Email:Simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk, csl@fs2.ee.umist.ac.uk, Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK Tel: (01942) 886084 Fax: (01942) 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) WWW: (Newly updated) http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Mar 7 14:37:08 1995 Message-Id: <28792.199503070916@rockall.cent.gla.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 09:16:55 GMT X-Sender: 9264201e@pop-server.cent.gla.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: 9264201e@udcf.gla.ac.uk (Hokum) Subject: Re: Gloucester? X-Mailer: Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 952 Lines: 25 >Well, I'll be releasing the SAM MOD player version 2.00 soon. This wonderful >little program will play four track Amiga modules (noisetracker, protracker, >startrekker) via either the soundchip, eddac, dac, blue alpha or Quazar >Surround Soundcard at 10.4Khz. You can load mods directly from PC or SAM disc, >all Protracker effects are implemented (just about) Has anyone told you that you are quite beautiful? :-) > I will be selling the SAM >MOD player for 10 dutch guilders or 5 pounds sterling (cash only). For this >meagre sum you also get instructions for using the mod code in your own >software, plus I will NOT be releasing the code into public domain until at >least 1996. Are you sure about sending cash by post? Cheques are safer. Will Easson (my last few messages didn't have a signature on them; I'm still figuring out this EUDORA mailing program, and thought that I had it sussed... I was wrong) From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Mar 7 14:51:34 1995 Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 15:18:28 +0100 X400-Originator: eraadr%scs.leeds.ac.uk@gps1.leeds.ac.uk X400-Recipients: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/;<17643.199503071418@csgi02.scs.l] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: Re: Glouceste... From: eraadr@scs.leeds.ac.uk Message-Id: <17643.199503071418@csgi02.scs.leeds.ac.uk> To: sam-users Subject: Re: Gloucester Show, need info! Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 785 Lines: 22 --------- Received message begins Here --------- > From: Tim Paveley > Subject: Re: Gloucester Show, need info! > Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 15:00:00 +0000 (GMT) > > If you can't get Web Access then please ignore this message. Web access is a basic feature here at leeds uni, everyone has it! > I've got a copy of the map that has been sent out with FRED for past shows > available on the Web. There is a nice JPG map, and a whole load of text about > how to get there. If you have access to a Web Browser, then take a look at > > http://whig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~tsp93/Coupe/show/info.html > > and the map is ..../show/map.jpg I looked at it, well done, thanx, I will print out the map for using it when I come to the show. Bye, Arne From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Mar 7 15:08:38 1995 From: David Zambonini To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 13:53:47 GMT Subject: Re: Gloucester Show, need info! Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Message-Id: Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 603 Lines: 19 > > Make that six -- as long as we can detour via Chicago for me to see my > > girlfriend :) > > Certainly not. You can tell her that if we are travelling 8000 miles to > California then she should be able to make the 3000 mile trip no problem... > > imc > > PS I made the distances up... > Oh, come now, if you're going to make the distances up, at least be creative... :) "Certainly not. You can tell her that if we are travelling 500 Mpc to California that she should be able to make the 3000 ly trip no problem...." (All distances accurate to within 500Mpc) DMZ === From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Mar 7 15:12:59 1995 From: Nigel J Kettlewell Message-Id: <2244.199503071407@cinino.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: sampaint To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 14:07:05 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <9503071103.aa12549@eels7.ee.surrey.ac.uk.> from "ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk" at Mar 7, 95 11:03:05 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 270 Lines: 14 > > So draw half your screen at a time, with (the same) 4 colours in each, and > > paste them together afterwards :-) > Or use FLASH! > Nothing like making things easy, eh? > -AG > > Yeah but using flash makes it difficult in the first place. Nige From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Mar 7 15:19:52 1995 Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 15:12:59 +0100 X400-Originator: eraadr%scs.leeds.ac.uk@gps1.leeds.ac.uk X400-Recipients: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/;<17637.199503071412@csgi02.scs.l] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: RE: Glouceste... From: eraadr@scs.leeds.ac.uk Message-Id: <17637.199503071412@csgi02.scs.leeds.ac.uk> To: sam-users Subject: RE: Gloucester Show, need info! Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 627 Lines: 18 --------- Received message begins Here --------- > From: mcscs3cgm@vaxd.dct.ac.uk > Date: Mon, 06 Mar 1995 11:15:10 GMT > Subject: RE: Gloucester Show, need info! > > Gloucester Show is on the 29th April 1995, from 10am - 4pm (although a visit > to the pub next door might make it a bit later) > > It's held at Quedgelely Village Hall in Quedgelely, Gloucester. There's a bus > station across the road from the train station which will get you there in > about 20 minutes, or a taxi will cost about a fiver. Thanx for the info, I will be there, but I'm surely not coming with the taxi! :-) Bye, Arne From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Mar 7 15:39:13 1995 Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 16:26:56 +0100 X400-Originator: eraadr%scs.leeds.ac.uk@gps1.leeds.ac.uk X400-Recipients: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/;<29003.199503071526@csgi16.scs.l] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: Re: Gloucester? From: eraadr@scs.leeds.ac.uk Message-Id: <29003.199503071526@csgi16.scs.leeds.ac.uk> To: sam-users Subject: Re: Gloucester? Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1822 Lines: 45 --------- Received message begins Here --------- > From: stefan.drissen@tic.iaf.nl > Date: Mon, 06 Mar 95 18:39:11 -0600 > Subject: Gloucester? > > I am assuming you do not read FRED or FORMAT, 'cos else you would have known > about the world famous Gloucester show. The show where all the celebreties > meet to try to impress each other with how bloody crap they are at coding.... I read Format but only when I get to my parents home (usually during vacations) so the last issue I saw was dec 94. > Anyway, the Gloucester show is on the 29th of April 1995 (that's a Saturday) in > [...] > I managed to get there the last two times without any hassles whatsoever (well > a few...) so you should be able to too, after all, I've got to cross the > channel. You don't have to cross it, pass below it's faster! Thanx for the info, btw. > Well, I'll be releasing the SAM MOD player version 2.00 soon. This wonderful > little program will play four track Amiga modules (noisetracker, protracker, > startrekker) via either the soundchip, eddac, dac, blue alpha or Quazar > Surround Soundcard at 10.4Khz. You can load mods directly from PC or SAM disc, > all Protracker effects are implemented (just about). I will be selling the SAM > MOD player for 10 dutch guilders or 5 pounds sterling (cash only). For this > meagre sum you also get instructions for using the mod code in your own > software, plus I will NOT be releasing the code into public domain until at > least 1996. Sounds very interesting, if you bring some copies with you to the show, I probably will buy one. > If you want an unbiased opinion about the mod player, ask DJ Doore. If I ever get to see him... > And that's that, hope to have been of some help.... Plenty of help, thanx, Bye, Arne From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Mar 7 15:54:39 1995 From: Nigel J Kettlewell Message-Id: <2816.199503071522@cinino.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Gloucester Show, need info! To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 15:21:58 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <17637.199503071412@csgi02.scs.leeds.ac.uk> from "eraadr@scs.leeds.ac.uk" at Mar 7, 95 15:12:59 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 583 Lines: 16 > > It's held at Quedgelely Village Hall in Quedgelely, Gloucester. There's a bus > > station across the road from the train station which will get you there in > > about 20 minutes, or a taxi will cost about a fiver. > > Thanx for the info, I will be there, but I'm surely not coming with the taxi! > :-) Just don't try and walk back to the station afterwards. The bus ride seemed to go along a really easy route, but I managed to get completely lost and wound up half way to Chepstow before some kind soul pointed me in the right direction last time... Nige From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Mar 7 16:11:35 1995 From: Nigel J Kettlewell Message-Id: <2916.199503071533@cinino.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Gloucester? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 15:33:14 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <29003.199503071526@csgi16.scs.leeds.ac.uk> from "eraadr@scs.leeds.ac.uk" at Mar 7, 95 16:26:56 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 187 Lines: 10 > > [...] after all, I've got to cross the > > channel. > > You don't have to cross it, pass below it's faster! Unless there's dust on the line from all the digging. Nige From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Mar 7 16:15:55 1995 Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 17:07:15 +0100 X400-Originator: eraadr%scs.leeds.ac.uk@gps1.leeds.ac.uk X400-Recipients: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/;<29131.199503071607@csgi16.scs.l] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: Re: Sound sam... From: eraadr@scs.leeds.ac.uk Message-Id: <29131.199503071607@csgi16.scs.leeds.ac.uk> To: sam-users Subject: Re: Sound sampler... Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 459 Lines: 20 --------- Received message begins Here --------- > From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Mar 6 21:01:29 1995 > Subject: Re: Sound sampler... > > > > > Can I just ask: what is Termite? > > It's the SAM Comms software I've been working on and off on for over a > year... > > And actually, I'm using it right now to send this email to you! I hope it will be available soon, perhaps at the Gloucester Show? > > Simon > Bye, Arne From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Mar 7 16:55:37 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Entropy get together.. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no (Sam Users Mailing List) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 16:25:58 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 682 Lines: 18 Or should that be SamUsers get together? Anyone want to repeat the Demo Coders Horseshoe again this year? :) Oh, and we should be bringing along a fully working hard drive interface with us this time, as well as the multiROM (again), Termite, and the Quazar Surround board (well, Colin should be bringing that anyway)... I may also have a prototype BusMaster at the show too... Simon -- Email:Simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk, csl@fs2.ee.umist.ac.uk, Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK Tel: (01942) 886084 Fax: (01942) 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) WWW: (Newly updated) http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Mar 7 17:20:05 1995 From: goringgn Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 17:02:42 GMT Message-Id: <16083.9503071702@sun.aston.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Entropy get together.. X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 451 Lines: 17 > Or should that be SamUsers get together? > > Anyone want to repeat the Demo Coders Horseshoe again this year? > :) > > Oh, and we should be bringing along a fully working hard drive interface > with us this time, as well as the multiROM (again), Termite, and the > Quazar Surround board (well, Colin should be bringing that anyway)... > > I may also have a prototype BusMaster at the show too... > > Simon > Where? Graham From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Mar 7 17:27:28 1995 From: Mr Andrew M Gale Message-Id: <9503071703.AA27640@central.surrey.ac.uk> Subject: keyboard To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 7 Mar 95 17:03:08 GMT In-Reply-To: <29131.199503071607@csgi16.scs.leeds.ac.uk>; from "eraadr@scs.leeds.ac.uk" at Mar 7, 95 5:07 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 224 Lines: 7 Given the bounciness and double-strike ability of the SAM keyboard, how many of you would be interested in an interface to connect a PC-AT keyboard to the SAM? Then you could choose any keyboard you like...... -AG From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Mar 7 18:28:52 1995 Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 00:43:00 +0100 X400-Originator: D.J.Doore%leeds-metropolitan.ac.uk@gps1.leeds.ac.uk X400-Recipients: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/;<2F5CEDDF@courier.lmu.ac.uk>] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: Re: Gloucester? From: "Doore, Dan [MIS]" Message-Id: <2F5CEDDF@courier.lmu.ac.uk> To: sam-users Subject: Re: Gloucester? Encoding: 14 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 245 Lines: 14 > > If you want an unbiased opinion about the mod player, ask DJ Doore. It's ace. Trust me. > If I ever get to see him... Thursday, 6:30 The Fenton (I'll be the one with the inflatable sheep) > Bye, Arne SeeYa Dan Doore. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Mar 7 18:40:29 1995 Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 19:11:40 +0100 X400-Originator: eraadr%scs.leeds.ac.uk@gps1.leeds.ac.uk X400-Recipients: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/;<18456.199503071811@csgi15.scs.l] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: Re: Glouceste... From: eraadr@scs.leeds.ac.uk Message-Id: <18456.199503071811@csgi15.scs.leeds.ac.uk> To: sam-users Subject: Re: Gloucester Show, need info! Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 585 Lines: 19 --------- Received message begins Here --------- > From: Nigel J Kettlewell > Subject: Re: Gloucester Show, need info! > Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 15:21:58 +0000 (GMT) > > Just don't try and walk back to the station afterwards. The bus ride seemed > to go along a really easy route, but I managed to get completely lost and > wound up half way to Chepstow before some kind soul pointed me in the right > direction last time... No problem, I think the bus will be affordable enough, so I won't walk. :-) > > Nige > Bye, Arne From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Mar 7 18:46:53 1995 Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 19:18:42 +0100 X400-Originator: eraadr%scs.leeds.ac.uk@gps1.leeds.ac.uk X400-Recipients: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/;<18488.199503071818@csgi15.scs.l] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: Re: Gloucester? From: eraadr@scs.leeds.ac.uk Message-Id: <18488.199503071818@csgi15.scs.leeds.ac.uk> To: sam-users Subject: Re: Gloucester? Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 584 Lines: 23 --------- Received message begins Here --------- > From: Nigel J Kettlewell > Subject: Re: Gloucester? > Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 15:33:14 +0000 (GMT) > > > > [...] after all, I've got to cross the > > > channel. > > > > You don't have to cross it, pass below it's faster! > > Unless there's dust on the line from all the digging. Didn't see any dust three weeks ago, and apart from this they normally dig first and afterwards they lay down the tracks, or do the British use a different order? :-) > Nige Bye, Arne From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Mar 7 19:40:59 1995 Message-Id: <29174.199503071657@lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 16:57:36 GMT From: William Easson <9264201e@udcf.gla.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: sampaint X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1487 Lines: 51 ----- Begin Included Message ----- >From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Mar 7 14:34 GMT 1995 From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk Subject: Re: sampaint To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 11:03:05 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <6287.199503070928@verchon.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> from "Nigel J Kettlewell" at Mar 7, 95 09:28:50 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Message-ID: <9503071103.aa12549@eels7.ee.surrey.ac.uk.> Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Type: text Content-Length: 440 X-Lines: 22 > > > > > Let's face it - since SAMPaint works in mode 4 only it > > must be for people who don't *do* much with their SAM. > > Any serious users find themselves rarely out of mode 3 > > - technical drawing is a 'no' in mode 4. > > So draw half your screen at a time, with (the same) 4 colours in each, and > paste them together afterwards :-) > > > -AG > > > > > > Nige > > Or use FLASH! Nothing like making things easy, eh? -AG ----- End Included Message ----- What is it with people? How can anyone find FLASH easier to use? The mouse moves two or three pixels at a time. Keyboard may be more pecise, but I need to get on in my life, rather than sit down and listen to my arteries hardening. Anyway, everyone to their own, I suppose. I mean, I listen to Def Leppard, so I'd hardly say I was a well-balanced person... :-) ----> Will Easson 9264201e@udcf.gla.ac.uk From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Mar 7 19:42:46 1995 Message-Id: <10702.199503071737@lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 17:37:01 GMT From: William Easson <9264201e@udcf.gla.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Entropy get together.. X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 657 Lines: 26 ----- Begin Included Message ----- >Or should that be SamUsers get together? >Anyone want to repeat the Demo Coders Horseshoe again this year? >:) >Oh, and we should be bringing along a fully working hard drive interface >with us this time, as well as the multiROM (again), Termite, and the >Quazar Surround board (well, Colin should be bringing that anyway)... >I may also have a prototype BusMaster at the show too... >Simon What is the "Demo Coders Horseshoe"? Isn't a "SamUsers get together" the Gloucester Show anyway? Will these things be at the next Gloucester Show? Am I going to ask anymore questions? Will From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Mar 7 19:43:15 1995 Message-Id: <675.199503071701@lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 17:01:53 GMT From: William Easson <9264201e@udcf.gla.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: SORRY!!!!!! X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 505 Lines: 9 Erm... I'm really sorry about this, but I was fiddling with Mailtool, and it seems it is now sending out messages to anyone who send me a message, telling them I'm on holiday, or something. I'm trying to sort things out as quickly as possible, but I've got a Virology exam tomorrow, so I can only spend about half-an-hour on it tonight. Again, I apologise for the temporary inconvenience this will cause everybody if it comes through to SAM-USERS list... Will Easson 9264201e@udcf.gla.ac.uk From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Mar 7 20:01:18 1995 From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk Subject: Re: Gloucester? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 19:28:56 +0000 (WET) In-Reply-To: <18488.199503071818@csgi15.scs.leeds.ac.uk> from "eraadr@scs.leeds.ac.uk" at Mar 7, 95 07:18:42 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Message-Id: <9503071929.aa26385@valar.ee.surrey.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 469 Lines: 16 > --------- Received message begins Here --------- > > > From: Nigel J Kettlewell > > Subject: Re: Gloucester? > > Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 15:33:14 +0000 (GMT) > > > > > > [...] after all, I've got to cross the > > > > channel. > > > > > > You don't have to cross it, pass below it's faster! > > > Or you could swim, and perhaps break a record at the same time. You may as well make the most of the visit, hmm? From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Mar 7 21:13:06 1995 Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 21:08:52 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Taylor X-Sender: sct1000@blue.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Entropy get together.. In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 856 Lines: 27 On Tue, 7 Mar 1995, Simon Cooke wrote: > Or should that be SamUsers get together? > > Anyone want to repeat the Demo Coders Horseshoe again this year? > :) > > Oh, and we should be bringing along a fully working hard drive interface > with us this time, as well as the multiROM (again), Termite, and the > Quazar Surround board (well, Colin should be bringing that anyway)... > > I may also have a prototype BusMaster at the show too... > > Simon So whatever happened to the midget? Steve. \\/// (o o) +----------------ooO-(_)-Ooo----------------+ | Steve Taylor sct1000@cam.ac.uk | | Pembroke College | | Cambridge CB2 1RF | | http://nikita.pem.cam.ac.uk/sct1000 | +-------------------------------------------+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Mar 7 21:33:28 1995 From: Lord Blackadder Message-Id: <9503072134.AA15895@bs47c.staffs.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Gloucester Show, need info! To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 21:34:49 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <1850.199503061652@rockall.cent.gla.ac.uk> from "Hokum" at Mar 6, 95 04:52:10 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 587 Lines: 22 > > > >Ah! But this is not really a dilemma - at least I knwo what I would > >choose. No doubt! And it's not beginning with 'RE' and ending with > >two unknowns. > > I take it from this that either... > a) the Gloucester show is getting rather crap (despite the initial enthusiasm) > b) REXX is really something. > > I've never been to a Gloucester show, because they are always at really > awkward times. > > I've never been to a Gloucester show because..... they're in Gloucester. Lord 'I can't even afford a train ticket to Gloucester' Blackadder. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Mar 7 21:49:13 1995 From: Lord Blackadder Message-Id: <9503072150.AA14270@bs47c.staffs.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Entropy get together.. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 21:50:33 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: from "Steve Taylor" at Mar 7, 95 09:08:52 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 682 Lines: 32 > > On Tue, 7 Mar 1995, Simon Cooke wrote: > > > Or should that be SamUsers get together? > > > > Anyone want to repeat the Demo Coders Horseshoe again this year? > > :) > > > > Oh, and we should be bringing along a fully working hard drive interface > > with us this time, as well as the multiROM (again), Termite, and the > > Quazar Surround board (well, Colin should be bringing that anyway)... > > > > I may also have a prototype BusMaster at the show too... > > > > Simon > > So whatever happened to the midget? > > Steve. Yeh, Simon. What ever happened to the MiDget??????? Will I ever get to see it? Will I bollox! Lord B' From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Mar 7 21:49:14 1995 From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk Subject: Knowledge.... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 21:40:05 +0000 (WET) In-Reply-To: from "Steve Taylor" at Mar 7, 95 09:08:52 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Message-Id: <9503072140.aa29109@valar.ee.surrey.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 718 Lines: 18 It seems we've got a talented bunch of SAM freaks on this mailing list. I keep on hearing bits of tips and hearing things like 'the paging bug' and smidgens of hints etc. There are lots of things about the SAM that have been picked up whilst you use it - things that aren't touched upon in the technical manual, and never mind the user manual... If everyone on the list wrote some two-dozen lines on the SAM - hardware, software or whateverware then we'd have a pretty large collection of info. Is anyone interested in contributing their knowledge? Perhaps Tim Paveley would plonk it on his Web page for us all... Besides, that is half the point of this list!! -AG ps: what *is* the paging bug? From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Mar 7 21:57:14 1995 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 07 Mar 1995 16:40:22 -0500 From: Gene Fender To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: How do I unsubscribe? Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 411 Lines: 10 Sorry, but as interesting as the SAM is and as ideal as it would be for my robotics project, I have decided to use a different system. The software and support are just too inconvenient. I will likely use a QL for the job now as there is still a decent amount of support for it in the US. Better still, I will use a nice cheap Amiga 600 if the power consumption is low enough. Nice knowing y'all. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Mar 7 22:03:14 1995 From: goringgn Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 21:54:07 GMT Message-Id: <2424.9503072154@sun.aston.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Entropy get together.. X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 802 Lines: 36 > > On Tue, 7 Mar 1995, Simon Cooke wrote: > > > > > Or should that be SamUsers get together? > > > > > > Anyone want to repeat the Demo Coders Horseshoe again this year? > > > :) > > > > > > Oh, and we should be bringing along a fully working hard drive interface > > > with us this time, as well as the multiROM (again), Termite, and the > > > Quazar Surround board (well, Colin should be bringing that anyway)... > > > > > > I may also have a prototype BusMaster at the show too... > > > > > > Simon > > > > So whatever happened to the midget? > > > > Steve. > > > Yeh, Simon. What ever happened to the MiDget??????? > > > Will I ever get to see it? > > > Will I bollox! > > > > Lord B' > Stop being so anti-cookie. He's a good mate! Graham From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Mar 7 22:05:22 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Entropy get together.. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 22:03:35 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: from "Steve Taylor" at Mar 7, 95 09:08:52 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 713 Lines: 19 > On Tue, 7 Mar 1995, Simon Cooke wrote: > > I may also have a prototype BusMaster at the show too... > > > > Simon > > So whatever happened to the midget? It still exists -- in pieces on the board upstairs. At the moment what we're doing (or rather, what martin's doing) is putting the schematics and PCBs for the board together. He's also running around trying to find PCB manufacturers that are cheap :) Simon -- Email:Simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk, csl@fs2.ee.umist.ac.uk, Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK Tel: (01942) 886084 Fax: (01942) 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) WWW: (Newly updated) http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Mar 7 22:27:29 1995 From: Lord Blackadder Message-Id: <9503072226.AA02936@bs47c.staffs.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Entropy get together.. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 22:26:40 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: from "Simon Cooke" at Mar 7, 95 10:03:35 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 671 Lines: 29 > > > On Tue, 7 Mar 1995, Simon Cooke wrote: > > > I may also have a prototype BusMaster at the show too... > > > > > > Simon > > > > So whatever happened to the midget? > > It still exists -- in pieces on the board upstairs. At the moment what > we're doing (or rather, what martin's doing) is putting the schematics > and PCBs for the board together. He's also running around trying to find > PCB manufacturers that are cheap :) > > Simon > I have just mailed you my rle C source, if you are interested... I hope you can find the error? F**ked if I can see it... then again, I have alot on my plate at the mo'. Lord B' From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 8 06:27:26 1995 Date: Wed, 08 Mar 1995 06:15:46 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <7286@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sound sampler... -Reply X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1215 Lines: 25 In message Tim Wells writes: > > > From what I remember from the press release, the Amstrad penpad thingy > > > "learnt" over time what your handwriting was like. While it proabably has > > > more memory than the SAM, and voice recogition requires more memory, > > > something, even syllabalic commands would be feasible. Using this method. > > > But then, I've only ever programmed in BASIC... > > > > > > > Yeah but reconising characters on a bit of paper which you scan in, or draw > > on your penpad (or whatever) is a damn sight easier. There's OCR (Optical > > Character Recognition) s/w bundled with lots of Amiga/PC (etc) hand > > scanners, and I think the Post Office have used it for years to > > automatically read postcodes, though I'm not certain about that. > > OCR works fine on typed characters, but doesn't stand a chance with > handwriting. That's why it has taken years for the PO to develop systems > that can have a guess at handwriting. I could do with a gadjet like that. Why is it that folk with 486 poser boxes resort to scribbling orders on tatty bits of paper? Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 8 06:27:27 1995 Date: Wed, 08 Mar 1995 06:21:20 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <7287@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: keyboard X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 484 Lines: 15 In message <9503071703.AA27640@central.surrey.ac.uk> Mr Andrew M Gale writes: > Given the bounciness and double-strike ability of the SAM keyboard, > how many of you would be interested in an interface to connect a > PC-AT keyboard to the SAM? Then you could choose any keyboard > you like...... > > -AG I think a certain magazine editor would be very interested. The snag is, how many keys at a time casn it read, and in what order? Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 8 09:09:44 1995 Message-Id: <22708.199503080858@lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 08:58:38 GMT From: William Easson <9264201e@udcf.gla.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: keyboard X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1165 Lines: 29 | From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Mar 7 17:55 GMT 1995 | From: Mr Andrew M Gale | Message-Id: <9503071703.AA27640@central.surrey.ac.uk> | Subject: keyboard | To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no | Date: Tue, 7 Mar 95 17:03:08 GMT | In-Reply-To: <29131.199503071607@csgi16.scs.leeds.ac.uk>; from "eraadr@scs.leeds.ac.uk" at Mar 7, 95 5:07 pm | X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] | Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no | Precedence: bulk | Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no | Content-Type: text | Content-Length: 216 | X-Lines: 7 | | Given the bounciness and double-strike ability of the SAM keyboard, | how many of you would be interested in an interface to connect a | PC-AT keyboard to the SAM? Then you could choose any keyboard | you like...... | | -AG | | You betcha I'd be interested! I've been mulling over in my mind working on this kind of thing, but I've never got round to it. I favoured (for a second) the "deconstructionist" approach; taking parts from a SAM Keyboard, and sort of making a hybrid with an AT keyboard. An interfacewould be far more efficient, though. In my opinion, go for it! Will Easson From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 8 09:20:02 1995 Message-Id: <26592.199503080906@lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 09:06:49 GMT From: William Easson <9264201e@udcf.gla.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sound sampler... -Reply X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1741 Lines: 41 | From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 8 06:41 GMT 1995 | Date: Wed, 08 Mar 1995 06:15:46 GMT | From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) | Message-Id: <7286@bgserv.demon.co.uk> | To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no | Subject: Re: Sound sampler... -Reply | X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 | Lines: 25 | Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no | Precedence: bulk | Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no | Content-Type: text | Content-Length: 1189 | X-Lines: 25 | | In message Tim Wells writes: | > > > From what I remember from the press release, the Amstrad penpad thingy | > > > "learnt" over time what your handwriting was like. While it proabably has | > > > more memory than the SAM, and voice recogition requires more memory, | > > > something, even syllabalic commands would be feasible. Using this method. | > > > But then, I've only ever programmed in BASIC... | > > > | > > | > > Yeah but reconising characters on a bit of paper which you scan in, or draw | > > on your penpad (or whatever) is a damn sight easier. There's OCR (Optical | > > Character Recognition) s/w bundled with lots of Amiga/PC (etc) hand | > > scanners, and I think the Post Office have used it for years to | > > automatically read postcodes, though I'm not certain about that. | > | > OCR works fine on typed characters, but doesn't stand a chance with | > handwriting. That's why it has taken years for the PO to develop systems | > that can have a guess at handwriting. | | I could do with a gadjet like that. Why is it that folk with 486 | poser boxes resort to scribbling orders on tatty bits of paper? | Becasue we're not posers. Honest. Will Easson From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 8 12:19:50 1995 From: Tim Paveley Message-Id: <1088.9503081156@titian.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Knowledge.... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 11:56:22 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <9503072140.aa29109@valar.ee.surrey.ac.uk> from "ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk" at Mar 7, 95 09:40:05 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 699 Lines: 20 To Quote ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk : > If everyone on the list wrote some two-dozen lines on > the SAM - hardware, software or whateverware then we'd have > a pretty large collection of info. Is anyone interested in > contributing their knowledge? Perhaps Tim Paveley would plonk > it on his Web page for us all... I'd be more than happy to do this. The pages are starting to 'stagnet' a bit and I've been trying to think of something else to put in there as it is. Doesn't help that I'm not very techy. But I don't mind converting it all to HTML Format. Tim. -- Tim Paveley - University of Southampton Sam Coupe Web Pages: http://whig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~tsp93/Coupe/home.html From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 8 13:28:50 1995 From: Frode Tennebo Message-Id: <199503081323.AA07545@ulke.hiMolde.no> Subject: Re: Knowledge.... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 14:23:23 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <1088.9503081156@titian.ecs.soton.ac.uk> from "Tim Paveley" at Mar 8, 95 11:56:22 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 821 Lines: 22 > I'd be more than happy to do this. The pages are starting to 'stagnet' a bit > and I've been trying to think of something else to put in there as it is. > > Doesn't help that I'm not very techy. But I don't mind converting it all to > HTML Format. I'd be happy to help, but what can we possibly write about? How about a request about things that is not quite clear? We will try to do our best (I as soon as this work-load has been liftet off my shoulders) > > Tim. -- ^ One To-day is Worth Two To-morrows (Ben Franklin) ^ | ....or: One To-morrow is Worth a Quarter of One Yester-day... | | Frode Tennebo | email: frodet@hiMolde.no | | ECP/PT, CERN, Switzerland | http://www.hiMolde.no/~frodet | | Phone: +33 50 28 26 17 | Luke@IRC | From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 8 13:28:55 1995 From: Nigel J Kettlewell Message-Id: <15665.199503081307@mimsy.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Entropy get together.. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 13:07:15 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: from "Simon Cooke" at Mar 7, 95 16:25:58 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 204 Lines: 11 > > Or should that be SamUsers get together? > > Anyone want to repeat the Demo Coders Horseshoe again this year? > :) I shan't be there I'm afraid. It was funny though, wasn't it? Nige From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 8 14:32:03 1995 From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk Subject: Re: Knowledge.... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 14:07:49 +0000 (WET) In-Reply-To: <199503081323.AA07545@ulke.hiMolde.no> from "Frode Tennebo" at Mar 8, 95 02:23:23 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Message-Id: <9503081408.aa11736@almaren.ee.surrey.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 520 Lines: 17 > I'd be happy to help, but what can we possibly write about? > How about a request about things that is not quite clear? Here's a few things I'd like to know about *briefly*: * reading the mouse directly from the port (ie not using ROM) * quick notes on certain WP formats - eg secretary, outwrite * adding extra commands to DOS Also, I was considering writing a decent PC file converter - does anyone know a book which includes details of the MS-DOS format? FATs and all that nonsense.... -AG From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 8 14:44:50 1995 From: Nigel J Kettlewell Message-Id: <15695.199503081315@mimsy.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Entropy get together.. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 13:15:15 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <10702.199503071737@lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk> from "William Easson" at Mar 7, 95 17:37:01 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 552 Lines: 15 > What is the "Demo Coders Horseshoe"? ah, well you see you should have been there last time - or was it the time before - whatever. Simon and me and some other people (I can't remember who - sorree) stood round Bob Brenchley in a kind of a horseshoe and introduced ourselves as "stupid demo coders" (who he doesn't like, btw). I then had a go at him over some money he owed me but refused to pay back (I've given up on ever getting it back) and it was quite funny to watch him almost run away. He knew he was in the wrong... Nige From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 8 14:51:12 1995 From: gaw-a@ugrad.cs.york.ac.uk Message-Id: >From: gaw-a@minster.york.ac.uk (Mars Bar) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 14:38:15 +0000 In-Reply-To: ee31ag -- "Re: Knowledge...." (Mar 8, 2:07pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92 (ORBIT)) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Knowledge.... Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 821 Lines: 22 On Mar 8, 2:07pm in "Re: Knowledge....", you warbled: ] Also, I was considering writing a decent PC file converter - does ] anyone know a book which includes details of the MS-DOS format? ] FATs and all that nonsense.... Hey ho. Well, if you have a friend with an ST, try printing out the docs from DiscDoctor. Or was it Knife? Can't remember. Anyway, they're absolutely marvellous, and taught me all I know. Unfortunately, they didn't teach things like "allow more than one file at once" and "loading in bits of files if there isn't enough memory for all of it" and "taking notice of the system memory map". I was young, alright? It was my first Sam program. And everybody hates me for it. Christ. I only wanted it to load in ****ing ST screens....... At least Newsdisk liked it :) Geoff From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 8 15:08:01 1995 Message-Id: <331.199503081401@rockall.cent.gla.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 14:01:03 GMT X-Sender: 9264201e@pop-server.cent.gla.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: 9264201e@udcf.gla.ac.uk (Hokum) Subject: Re: Entropy get together.. X-Mailer: Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 234 Lines: 10 >> >> Or should that be SamUsers get together? >> >> Anyone want to repeat the Demo Coders Horseshoe again this year? >> :) > >I shan't be there I'm afraid. It was funny though, wasn't it? Am I missing something, here? From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 8 15:26:17 1995 Message-Id: <21996.199503081245@rockall.cent.gla.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 12:45:11 GMT X-Sender: 9264201e@pop-server.cent.gla.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: 9264201e@udcf.gla.ac.uk (Hokum) Subject: Re: Knowledge.... X-Mailer: Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 669 Lines: 19 >To Quote ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk : >> If everyone on the list wrote some two-dozen lines on >> the SAM - hardware, software or whateverware then we'd have >> a pretty large collection of info. Is anyone interested in >> contributing their knowledge? Perhaps Tim Paveley would plonk >> it on his Web page for us all... > >I'd be more than happy to do this. The pages are starting to 'stagnet' a bit >and I've been trying to think of something else to put in there as it is. > >Doesn't help that I'm not very techy. But I don't mind converting it all to >HTML Format. > >Tim. Nor am I, but I'll do what I can; sounds like a great idea. Will Easson From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 8 15:46:55 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Knowledge.... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 15:27:36 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: from "Mars Bar" at Mar 8, 95 02:38:15 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 502 Lines: 14 I liked KE DIsk, Geoff... damn fine program if you ask me.,. I've got a modified version which uses a full IBM PC charset for file typing, and can copy all the files in a 1Mb to a PC disk, en masse... :) Simon -- Email:Simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk, csl@fs2.ee.umist.ac.uk, Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK Tel: (01942) 886084 Fax: (01942) 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) WWW: (Newly updated) http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 8 16:03:48 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Knowledge.... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 15:30:37 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <9503081408.aa11736@almaren.ee.surrey.ac.uk> from "ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk" at Mar 8, 95 02:07:49 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1056 Lines: 26 > > I'd be happy to help, but what can we possibly write about? > > How about a request about things that is not quite clear? > > Here's a few things I'd like to know about *briefly*: > > * reading the mouse directly from the port (ie not using ROM) > * quick notes on certain WP formats - eg secretary, outwrite > * adding extra commands to DOS You weren't on the sam users mailing list when I put up the contents of the New SAM Technical manual I'm working on.. of course, if anyone else wants to write some stuff for it, and I'll act as editor... the idea is that it would be nonprofit, and sell for about 20 quid (and it'll be about 300-400 pages long)... Anybody think this is a good idea ? If so, I'll re-display the contents list :) Simon -- Email:Simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk, csl@fs2.ee.umist.ac.uk, Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK Tel: (01942) 886084 Fax: (01942) 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) WWW: (Newly updated) http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 8 16:09:29 1995 From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk Subject: who? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 15:27:40 +0000 (WET) In-Reply-To: <9503081408.aa11736@almaren.ee.surrey.ac.uk> from "ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk" at Mar 8, 95 02:07:49 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Message-Id: <9503081527.aa14571@almaren.ee.surrey.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 598 Lines: 12 Could someone in the know tell us all who really is behind West Coast? I've always assumed it was Bob Brenchley ('send your orders to FORMAT as we are dealing with the orders for West Coast'. Yes, right.) but originally they had their address in Wales (different to Blue Alpha's I think) and when I wrote about getting a new disc drive, I got a letter back from some- one call Mr Roberts who seemed a managerial sort of a person. So, it is Bob Brenchley (I assume) but who were the other owners? And does anyone know what Alan Miles, Bruce Gordon and Adrian PArker are doing now? -AG From imc Wed Mar 8 16:33:02 1995 Subject: Re: Knowledge.... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 8 Mar 95 16:33:02 GMT In-Reply-To: ; from "Simon Cooke" at Mar 8, 95 3:30 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 498 Lines: 12 On Wed, 8 Mar 1995 15:30:37 +0000 (GMT), Simon Cooke said: > You weren't on the sam users mailing list when I put up the contents of > the New SAM Technical manual I'm working on.. of course, if anyone else > wants to write some stuff for it, and I'll act as editor... OK, so now it's your turn to answer the question: what sort of stuff do _you_ want? (And what's happened to it anyway? I haven't heard anything since you gave out the contents list rather a long time ago). imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 8 16:40:05 1995 From: mcscs3cgm@vaxd.dct.ac.uk Date: Wed, 08 Mar 1995 16:34:34 GMT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-Id: <0098D0FA.F60F02C0.96@vaxd.dct.ac.uk> Subject: RE: who? Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 600 Lines: 16 West Coast Computers Limited has two directors, neither of which are Bob Brenchley. They are Spencer Poole and Trevor somebody (sorry). Bob does do a lot of the work for them as neither of them are SAM people, just business men. Adrian Parker is out of the computer world, currently helping to write the C manual. Bruce Gordon is developing PC databases, as well as working on 101 other computer related projects. Nothing's changed there. Alan Miles in still over in the Far East. He does come back to visit very occasionally, but only for a few days at a time. Colin Macdonald From imc Wed Mar 8 16:42:20 1995 Subject: Re: CoMpLaInT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 8 Mar 95 16:42:20 GMT In-Reply-To: ; from "Johnathan Taylor" at Mar 4, 95 1:07 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 1336 Lines: 26 On 04 Mar 95 01:07:54 +0000, Johnathan Taylor said: > The Blue Alpha box also had a serious BUG in that it didn't impliment the > SP-0256 busy line so it couldn't string the allophones together seamlessly. Do I take it then that the Blue Alpha contains an SPO256? If so then perhaps someone can give me an allophone list... > It is *possible* to intercept the screen output channel and build up each word > in a temporay work-space whilst passing the letters onto the normal screen > output channel driver and then at the end of the word use some form of lookup > table or rule system to make a good guess at the rerquired allaphones required > to speak that word > I believe the place such a utility should reside is in a few of the SAM utility > ram 1K allocations in a 16k 'utility' page... Unfortunately, using the Sam to speak is (I would think) rather CPU-intesive unless you have an external device such as an SPO256. If you were playing the speech on the built-in sound chip or on the QAZAR or whatever then I imagine you wouldn't be able to do anything else at all. What we need is a DAC device which can input a couple of hundred bytes and then play them out at 8000Hz or whatever, just like the Sparc's /dev/audio. You could then top it up at each interrupt (just like xz80 does...). imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 8 17:26:25 1995 From: stefan.drissen@tic.iaf.nl Original-Received: by tic.iaf.nl id 0OVYT001 Wed, 08 Mar 95 17:42:57 -0600 Pp-Warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line Message-Id: <9503081742.0OVYT00@tic.iaf.nl> Organization: Internet Connection BBS X-Mailer: TBBS/PIMP v3.11 Date: Wed, 08 Mar 95 17:42:57 -0600 Subject: SAM MOD player 2.00 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2606 Lines: 76 Hi everybody! I didn't know that such a small remark as crossing the channel could cause so much controversy! 8) I have not been convinced to not cross the channel, since the costs of digging a tunnel seem to be somewhat higher. When I do get to Gloucester I will be bringing along copies of the SAM MOD player to sell to the public, and that for a mere 5 pounds a copy. If you are reading this and thinking "wow! I want to get an signed copy of the SAM MOD player at the Gloucester show" then send me a message so that I can bring along some extra copies. Just for those of you now in the know, here are the specs of the SAM MOD player. * output to Soundchip (4 bits stereo), EDDAC (7 bits stereo), DAC (6 bits mono), Blue Alpha Sampler (6 bits mono), Quazar Surround Soundcard (8 bits surround/stereo). * sampling rate of 10.4khz with the screen on. * load mods (up to 400k on a 512k SAM) directly from PC or SAM disc (from either drive) * ALL Protracker commands implemented (when I say ALL I do of course not mean all, there are a few exceptions which will be enclosed in brackets) - arpeggio - portamento up - portamento down - tone portamento - vibrato - tone portamento and volume slide - vibrato and volume slide - tremolo - (panning) - set sample offset - volume slide - position jump - set volume - pattern break - (filter on/off) - fine portamento up - fine portamento down - fine tone portamento - set vibrato waveform - set tremolo waveform - loop within pattern - retrigger note - set fine tune - fine volume slide up - fine volume slide down - note cut - note delay - pattern delay - (funk repeat or reverse sample or midi) - set speed (no tempo changes) * looped samples are done properly (as opposed to the very crap and clicky sample looping in my old mod players) * track mode, watch the notes and effects roll by * view sample list * enable/disable position jumping and looping And there are probably hundreds of other features (which I simply can't remember at this moment). And that was that, phew! The best way to appreciate that list is to listen to a mod with the old player and the new one, preferably on the Quazar Surround Soundcard or with the EDDAC. For this I'll be bunging together a crippled demo version which won't let you load in mods but just listen to a pre-chewed mod. By the way Will, thanks for the compliment (I think). And Simon, what the heck is the Horse Shoe thing? Yours modingly, Solar Flare of Entropy (aka Stefan.Drissen@tic.iaf.nl) all the way from Clog Land. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 8 17:46:43 1995 From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk Subject: Re: Knowledge.... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 17:05:40 +0000 (WET) In-Reply-To: from "Simon Cooke" at Mar 8, 95 03:30:37 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Message-Id: <9503081706.aa26482@valar.ee.surrey.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 554 Lines: 18 > > You weren't on the sam users mailing list when I put up the contents of > the New SAM Technical manual I'm working on.. of course, if anyone else > wants to write some stuff for it, and I'll act as editor... > > the idea is that it would be nonprofit, and sell for about 20 quid (and > it'll be about 300-400 pages long)... > > Anybody think this is a good idea ? If so, I'll re-display the contents > list :) > > Simon > Maybe stuff from Graham's CGTSB may deserve a place.... I think FRED is selling it at the mo. -AG From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 8 19:45:42 1995 Message-Id: <8548.199503081531@lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 15:31:22 GMT From: William Easson <9264201e@udcf.gla.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Entropy get together.. X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1305 Lines: 43 ----- Begin Included Message ----- >From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 8 15:20 GMT 1995 From: Nigel J Kettlewell Message-Id: <15695.199503081315@mimsy.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Entropy get together.. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 13:15:15 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <10702.199503071737@lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk> from "William Easson" at Mar 7, 95 17:37:01 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 536 X-Lines: 15 > What is the "Demo Coders Horseshoe"? ah, well you see you should have been there last time - or was it the time before - whatever. Simon and me and some other people (I can't remember who - sorree) stood round Bob Brenchley in a kind of a horseshoe and introduced ourselves as "stupid demo coders" (who he doesn't like, btw). I then had a go at him over some money he owed me but refused to pay back (I've given up on ever getting it back) and it was quite funny to watch him almost run away. He knew he was in the wrong... Nige ----- End Included Message ----- Tee hee hee. Will From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 8 20:04:35 1995 Message-Id: <11641.199503081539@lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 15:39:04 GMT From: William Easson <9264201e@udcf.gla.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Entropy get together.. X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1305 Lines: 34 | From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 8 15:20 GMT 1995 | From: Nigel J Kettlewell | Message-Id: <15695.199503081315@mimsy.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> | Subject: Re: Entropy get together.. | To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no | Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 13:15:15 +0000 (GMT) | In-Reply-To: <10702.199503071737@lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk> from "William Easson" at Mar 7, 95 17:37:01 pm | X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] | MIME-Version: 1.0 | Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit | Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no | Precedence: bulk | Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no | Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" | Content-Length: 536 | X-Lines: 15 | | > What is the "Demo Coders Horseshoe"? | | ah, well you see you should have been there last time - or was it the time | before - whatever. | | Simon and me and some other people (I can't remember who - sorree) stood | round Bob Brenchley in a kind of a horseshoe and introduced ourselves as | "stupid demo coders" (who he doesn't like, btw). I then had a go at him over | some money he owed me but refused to pay back (I've given up on ever getting | it back) and it was quite funny to watch him almost run away. He knew he was | in the wrong... | | Nige | | I really wish I could've been there!!! From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 8 22:24:25 1995 From: stefan.drissen@tic.iaf.nl Original-Received: by tic.iaf.nl id 0WQRE005 Wed, 08 Mar 95 23:18:28 -0600 Pp-Warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line Message-Id: <9503082318.0WQRE00@tic.iaf.nl> Organization: Internet Connection BBS X-Mailer: TBBS/PIMP v3.11 Date: Wed, 08 Mar 95 23:18:28 -0600 Subject: Question time... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 585 Lines: 14 The Paging Bug.... is something I've never come across. It seems that when one programs in basic the ROM fluffs up when interpreting lines or variables which cross the first page boundary (ie the 32k mark). Here's my advice, never rely on someone elses code because you never know what wierd effects it may have (unless of course there's no way around not using it - the boot strap for example :) ) I think some questions and stuff on these pages would be rather good too, I'm prepared to be as helpful as possible... Solar Flare (aka Stefan.Drissen@tic.iaf.nl) From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Mar 9 06:47:34 1995 Date: Thu, 09 Mar 1995 06:34:25 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <7332@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Entropy get together.. X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 958 Lines: 34 In message Simon Cooke writes: > > On Tue, 7 Mar 1995, Simon Cooke wrote: > > > I may also have a prototype BusMaster at the show too... > > > > > > Simon > > > > So whatever happened to the midget? > > It still exists -- in pieces on the board upstairs. At the moment what > we're doing (or rather, what martin's doing) is putting the schematics > and PCBs for the board together. He's also running around trying to find > PCB manufacturers that are cheap :) > > Simon > > -- > Email:Simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk, csl@fs2.ee.umist.ac.uk, Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk > Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK > Tel: (01942) 886084 Fax: (01942) 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) > WWW: (Newly updated) http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc > > Tried... 01223-423100 Cambridge Circuit Company Ltd 4-Winship Road, Milton, Cambridge -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Mar 9 06:47:35 1995 Date: Thu, 09 Mar 1995 06:42:28 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <7333@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Paging bug X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 273 Lines: 9 I have not got the foggiest, but I do lnow that when writing in Basic you can lose or corrupt date when you edit a line that spans the boundary. Has anyone investigated this one? I ran into it when I did the Outlet Index for SAM. Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Mar 9 07:20:56 1995 From: Johnathan Taylor Date: 08 Mar 95 02:44:03 +0000 Subject: C Message-Id: <07d_9503090649@centron.com> Organization: CC-NET BBS To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1762 Lines: 39 On (06 Mar 95) mcscs3cgm@vaxd.dct.ac.uk wrote to All... > From: mcscs3cgm@vaxd.dct.ac.uk > Date: Mon, 06 Mar 1995 11:12:43 GMT > And a message to Jonathan Taylor, > You don't have to buy our version of C. You too could spend 12 months > writing it and creating a manual, then it wouldn't have cost you a penny ;) If it's BUYWARE and not SHAREWARE then I'll not be getting it as I'm fed up with paying out cash in the hope that things are usefull only to find out that once a product arrives it's got too many restrictions... Then comes the bit when it costs... Refunds never include the P&P originally charged or the return P&P so I lose money on a product I'm disatisfied with... If it's SHAREWARE then I'll give it a go and if I can use it to port over some useful utils that I've already ported to the SAM under Prodos then I'll gladly register it:-) Otherwise when and IF I ever need to port essential utils to SAM native mode I'll just spend a month or so writing some SamDos stdio libs for Hi-Tech C and cross-compile from Prodos to create the utils and it'll not cost me a penny plus I'd have a full K&R preprocessor and near ANSI z80 code generator;-) Who ever's doing this port must add support for unsigned long types, that was one thing that was sorely missing from the Speccies HiSoft C and if my memory serves me correctly Small C doesn't implement them either. Floating point support is not too essential for most utils, infact I've not had cause to use the Hi-Tech floating point routines at all yet! Johnathan. ... while(!asleep()) sheep++; -- |Fidonet: Johnathan Taylor 2:2501/307.9 |Internet: jet@centron.com | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Mar 9 07:21:19 1995 From: Johnathan Taylor Date: 08 Mar 95 02:41:39 +0000 Subject: CoMpLaInT Message-Id: <07e_9503090649@centron.com> Organization: CC-NET BBS To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1001 Lines: 29 On (07 Mar 95) Briansam@bgserv.demon.co. wrote to All... > Date: Tue, 07 Mar 1995 05:45:59 GMT > From: "Brian Gaff Sam Dept." > Your Braille tagline is made from apostrophes and L signs... > o o oo o o o o o o > o oo o o o o oo oo > o m o oo o o o > SAM RULER HERE. I suppose I should've checked out what it said before using it;-) braille is based on 3x2 patterns, isn't it? In which case it'd be very difficult to say anything using those ascii symbols on a single tag-line... How about a Braille interface unit that has 3x2 plungers driven by an I/O port which can be fed by a utility that converts the ASCII screen output to braile patterns? Johnathan. ... D.N.A. ...National Dislexia Association -- |Fidonet: Johnathan Taylor 2:2501/307.9 |Internet: jet@centron.com | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Mar 9 10:27:59 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: CoMpLaInT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 10:24:32 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <07e_9503090649@centron.com> from "Johnathan Taylor" at Mar 8, 95 02:41:39 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 945 Lines: 20 > I suppose I should've checked out what it said before using it;-) > braille is based on 3x2 patterns, isn't it? In which case it'd be very > difficult to say anything using those ascii symbols on a single tag-line... > > How about a Braille interface unit that has 3x2 plungers driven by an I/O port > which can be fed by a utility that converts the ASCII screen output to braile > patterns? If you get me the details, I'll put it in Termite... I'm already going to have the speech support when Colin emails me the samples! (And the zoom screen mode)... Actually, with the MultiROM I can add blind support to BASIC as well... good eh? Simon -- Email:Simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk, csl@fs2.ee.umist.ac.uk, Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK Tel: (01942) 886084 Fax: (01942) 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) WWW: (Newly updated) http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Mar 9 10:37:20 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: SAM MOD player 2.00 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 10:23:11 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <9503081742.0OVYT00@tic.iaf.nl> from "stefan.drissen@tic.iaf.nl" at Mar 8, 95 05:42:57 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 536 Lines: 14 > And Simon, what the heck is the Horse Shoe thing? Don't you remember? You were part of it! The first gloucester show, when we all ganged up on Bob, making a kind of semicircle / horseshoe around him and intimidating him :) :) :) Simon -- Email:Simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk, csl@fs2.ee.umist.ac.uk, Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK Tel: (01942) 886084 Fax: (01942) 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) WWW: (Newly updated) http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Mar 9 10:42:55 1995 Message-Id: <15085.199503091015@lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 10:15:41 GMT From: William Easson <9264201e@udcf.gla.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SAM MOD player 2.00 X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 365 Lines: 6 Hey, now this is getting silly. I think I've missed out on something, here. I know roughly what a Quazar Surround Sound card is, but is it available to buy (or the plans to build it)? Or is this some project some of you are all working on? It's starting to make me paranoid, thinking that there are things going on that I don't know about!!! Will Easson From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Mar 9 10:42:57 1995 Message-Id: <13061.199503091010@lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 10:10:47 GMT From: William Easson <9264201e@udcf.gla.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Knowledge.... X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1811 Lines: 50 ----- Begin Included Message ----- >From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 8 16:54 GMT 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Knowledge.... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 15:30:37 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <9503081408.aa11736@almaren.ee.surrey.ac.uk> from "ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk" at Mar 8, 95 02:07:49 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1029 X-Lines: 26 > > I'd be happy to help, but what can we possibly write about? > > How about a request about things that is not quite clear? > > Here's a few things I'd like to know about *briefly*: > > * reading the mouse directly from the port (ie not using ROM) > * quick notes on certain WP formats - eg secretary, outwrite > * adding extra commands to DOS You weren't on the sam users mailing list when I put up the contents of the New SAM Technical manual I'm working on.. of course, if anyone else wants to write some stuff for it, and I'll act as editor... the idea is that it would be nonprofit, and sell for about 20 quid (and it'll be about 300-400 pages long)... Anybody think this is a good idea ? If so, I'll re-display the contents list :) Simon ----- End Included Message ----- I'm interested, but I don't know what I could contribute, 'cos I'm not very knowledgable about the SAM's internal workings. Perhaps proof reading?! This is just to let you know that I am interested (I know how disheartening it can be working on a long project when no-one expresses an interest!!!) and will help out in any way I possibly can. Will Easson From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Mar 9 10:51:34 1995 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 11:43:23 +0100 X400-Originator: cgp@st-andrews.ac.uk X400-Recipients: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/;<792.9503091043@pasta.st-andrews] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: Re: SAM MOD p... From: Colin G Piggot Message-Id: <792.9503091043@pasta.st-andrews.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SAM MOD player 2.00 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 357 Lines: 10 > I know roughly what a Quazar Surround Sound Card is, but is it available to > buy (or the plans to build it)? > Or is this some project some of you are all working on? The Quazar Surround is my project, prototype is fully working, should *hopefully* be on sale soon..... For more details, email me directly. Colin Piggot (cgp@st-and.ac.uk) From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Mar 9 10:55:23 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: "The Unofficial SAM Coupe Technical Manual" -- contents list. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no (Sam Users Mailing List) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 10:48:03 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 6087 Lines: 249 Introduction ------------ Why do we need a new technical manual? Accompanying Disk Memory Handling --------------- Memory Paging The HMPR and LMPR paging registers Using External Memory Using External Memory with the Ryan interface Using the MultiROM's Memory (RAM and ROM) Reading memory for diagnostic purposes Working with paging Memory Allocation and Management The BASIC memory map Page allocation tables and their use The Heap BASIC addresses and their relation to physical addresses Proposed address representation standards Miscellaneous Machines with less than 512K of internal memory Memory hardware and suppliers 256k expansion The 1Mb The Ryan The Microbe Programming within the SAM Environment -------------------------------------- Introduction Optimizing Z80 code Self-modifying code Instruction timings Interrupt routines Keeping BASIC happy Division and Multiplication Graphics Methods and Techniques ------------------------------- The Graphics Hardware The Video Memory Paging Register (VMPR) The Colour Look Up Table (CLUT) Screen memory mapping Border Colours and turning the screen off Reset screens and how to generate them Hardware oddities (display and z80 timing) Graphics Handling Routines Calculating screen addresses from co-ordinate and character positions Simple graphics drawing routines Sprites Clipping Scrolling the screen Using colour cycling to achieve effects Using a back-screen and screen flipping Anti-Aliasing Working in Screen Modes 1 and 2 Graphics in the Border area Split-Mode screen displays Converting between screen modes Colour Fading Representing 8 bit R, G, B values on the SAM Representing the SAM's palette in 8-bit R, G, B Calculating luminance values Using BASIC's Graphics Routines Using the Palette in BASIC Clearing the screen PUT GRAB SCROLL and ROLL PLOT DRAW DRAW TO CIRCLE FILL BLITZ strings Graphics Software and Suppliers FLASH SAM Paint Anti-Aliaser Sound Methods and Techniques ---------------------------- The Phillips SAA1099 Sound Chip An Overview Known hardware bugs Synthesized (Chip) Sound Catering for both stereo and mono output users Avoiding clicks Fast playback routines Vu-bars (frequency meters) Converting Spectrum AY chip music to the SAA1099 E-Tracker File Format Digital (Sampled) Sound Producing digital sound on the SAM Multiplexing channels Synchronising the sound with the display Synchronising the sound with the Comms interface Quazar Surround Solar Flare's Entropy MOD player Any other sound hardware (Stefan, can you help with this one?) Sound Composing Software and Utilities The Sound Machine E-Tracker SAM BASIC, MasterBASIC and the SAM Coupe BIOS --------------------------------------------- ROM Routines Vectors Floating Point Calculator BASIC data structures Command tokens (should these be in the appendix?) SAM Graphical User Interfaces ----------------------------- Driver Programming the interface Driver version 2.0 GAIA (MultiROM) Programming the GAIA libraries for your own use. GAIA and Driver compatibility Games Writing Utilities ----------------------- SCADS Games Master DOS, Disks and Disk Controllers ------------------------------- Floppy Drives Standard SAM file structure E-DOS File structure SAM DOS Hook Codes and idiosyncrasies MasterDOS Hook Codes E-DOS Hook Codes Using the hook codes Loading DOS and the Boot Sector Viruses on the SAM VLSI 1772-02 disc controller operations Invisible drive controller upgrade theory Fitting a High Density drive to your SAM Hard Drives SAM Hard Drive partition table specification HDOS info (West Coast / Nev Young) EDOS info (Entropy DOS) Copy protection theory and practice Case study (Splat!) Case study (Sphera) Case study (Prince Of Persia) More exotic flora and fauna SAM Systems Variables --------------------- SAM BASIC MasterBASIC SAMDOS MasterDOS E-DOS The MultiROM The Driver SAM Hardware and Peripherals ---------------------------- The SAM Coupe itself The keyboard Using the Lightpen port for synchronisation The Faults in the basic SAM Coupe design and how to fix them An overview PSU interference Better power supply decoupling 8MHz clock signal faults and their implications The Comms Interface Programming the Parallel side of the interface The IM26C91 UART chip Generating Interrupts Modifications to provide necessary signals Programming the Serial side of the interface Detecting the presence of the serial chip Bugs in the Comms Interface hardware The SAM Disk Interface (SDI) The SAM Bus Programming the real-time clock controller Detecting the presence of the clock chip Bugs in the SAM Bus hardware The Mouse Interface Reading the SAM Mouse without the driver Detecting the presence of the Mouse interface The Messenger What it does The SAM Elite Modifications to the original SAM Coupe specification by West Coast SAM Basic ROM v3.5 -- changes to the spec? The MultiROM Technical details The Ryan Technical details Answers to Exercises Appendices and schematic diagrams SAM Specifications SAM Mouse Interface schematic SAMBus schematic SAM Comms interface SAM Parallel printer interface SAM SDI SAM ROM/RAM board MultiROM board Busmaster Index ----------------------- I, for one, have no objection to this being on the net as well as a saleable thing. I want to sell it non-profit, and I can get cheap, high quality (600dpi) printing done for me, as well as binding... Simon -- Email:Simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk, csl@fs2.ee.umist.ac.uk, Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK Tel: (01942) 886084 Fax: (01942) 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) WWW: (Newly updated) http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Mar 9 11:08:04 1995 Message-Id: <9503091059.AA27063@dxmint.cern.ch> From: Allan Skillman (Dr Kid) Subject: Re: C To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 9 Mar 95 11:59:04 MET In-Reply-To: <07d_9503090649@centron.com>; from "Johnathan Taylor" at Mar 08, 95 2:44 am Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1022 Lines: 22 I think I completely agree with Johnathan on this point. The main use for a C compiler on a machine like the SAM would be to port software from the public domain. For this to be possible its got to be ANSI - or at least K&R (give or take the floating point stuff - that can always be implemented using the SAMs floating point calculator). As far as I know Small C is far from a full version of C - it does not contain structures etc. Hitech C (note NOT HiSoft) is very impressive - full ANSI support, optimisation, macro assembler etc and is completely free (not counting the need for PRODOS). The only dissadvantage is the memory constraint of the CPM2.2 implementation, 64K max. So what I would like to see is a compiler with all of Hitech's features plus support for the SAMs extented memory, and link libraries etc etc. I have a horrible feeling that all we are really going to get is a `toy' system - which in many ways is what HiSoft C for the spectrum was. Comments anyone? Allan -- From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Mar 9 11:12:57 1995 From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk Subject: Re: SAM MOD player 2.00 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 11:05:02 +0000 (WET) In-Reply-To: <15085.199503091015@lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk> from "William Easson" at Mar 9, 95 10:15:41 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Message-Id: <9503091105.aa03999@almaren.ee.surrey.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 369 Lines: 12 > > > Hey, now this is getting silly. I think I've missed out on something, here. I know roughly > what a Quazar Surround Sound card is, but is it available to buy (or the plans to build it)? > Or is this some project some of you are all working on?.... I think it's one of these many million things that are being 'worked on'. -AG > > Will Easson From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Mar 9 11:24:16 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Knowledge.... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 11:16:43 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <13061.199503091010@lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk> from "William Easson" at Mar 9, 95 10:10:47 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1074 Lines: 24 > I'm interested, but I don't know what I could contribute, 'cos I'm not very > knowledgable about the SAM's internal workings. Perhaps proof reading?! > > This is just to let you know that I am interested (I know how disheartening > it can be working on a long project when no-one expresses an interest!!!) and > will help out in any way I possibly can. OK.... well, if we all put it together in bits and bobs, I can feed it into Word 6 at my end and put together some diagrams for it, and then I can email out a copy of the finished document file for everyone to look at (in postscript form as well, I suppose)... SImon ps I've worked out how to use serial mice with the SAM!!! Cool eh? Only works on *some* though, as we've not got a decent DTR /and/ RTS line... -- Email:Simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk, csl@fs2.ee.umist.ac.uk, Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK Tel: (01942) 886084 Fax: (01942) 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) WWW: (Newly updated) http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Mar 9 11:39:16 1995 From: "G.L. Burtenshaw" Message-Id: <5459.199503091132@hawk.le.ac.uk> Subject: Re: sampaint To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 11:32:33 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <10110.9503061558@sun.aston.ac.uk> from "goringgn" at Mar 6, 95 03:58:33 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 504 Lines: 12 SAMPaint could quite easily run twice as fast if I rewrote it... that's because (as always) I didn't plan it - it just 'grew'.. The pull-down menus are pretty stupid actually as well (they should disappear when you move the pointer off them), but hey! we can't all be perfect. Thanks for the compliments anyway. Andrew will be getting 50% of the resulting profits. (he thinks). Personally I prefer to use the DRAW program on the Horizons tape that came with the rubber keyed Spectrum. GB From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Mar 9 11:39:47 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Entropy get together.. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 11:17:20 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <9503072226.AA02936@bs47c.staffs.ac.uk> from "Lord Blackadder" at Mar 7, 95 10:26:40 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 459 Lines: 16 > > I have just mailed you my rle C source, if you are interested... > > > > I hope you can find the error? F**ked if I can see it... Will look at it today! Simon -- Email:Simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk, csl@fs2.ee.umist.ac.uk, Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK Tel: (01942) 886084 Fax: (01942) 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) WWW: (Newly updated) http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc From imc Thu Mar 9 11:41:38 1995 Subject: Re: Knowledge.... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 9 Mar 95 11:41:38 GMT In-Reply-To: ; from "Simon Cooke" at Mar 9, 95 11:16 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 334 Lines: 10 On Thu, 9 Mar 1995 11:16:43 +0000 (GMT), Simon Cooke said: > OK.... well, if we all put it together in bits and bobs, I can feed it > into Word 6 at my end and put together some diagrams for it ^^^^^^ Gnerk! ;-) Anyway, have you written any of it yet? What sort of bits and bobs are we talking about here? imc From imc Thu Mar 9 11:43:39 1995 Subject: Re: Question time... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 9 Mar 95 11:43:39 GMT In-Reply-To: <9503082318.0WQRE00@tic.iaf.nl>; from "stefan.drissen@tic.iaf.nl" at Mar 8, 95 11:18 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 297 Lines: 7 On Wed, 08 Mar 95 23:18:28 -0600, stefan.drissen@tic.iaf.nl said: > Here's my advice, never rely on someone elses > code because you never know what wierd effects it may have Oh good, well there's one excuse not to buy your mod player then... :-) imc From imc Thu Mar 9 11:47:15 1995 Subject: Re: Entropy get together.. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 9 Mar 95 11:47:15 GMT In-Reply-To: <11641.199503081539@lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk>; from "William Easson" at Mar 8, 95 3:39 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 268 Lines: 8 On Wed, 8 Mar 1995 15:39:04 GMT, William Easson said: > I really wish I could've been there!!! So do I, but unfortunately I was 35000 feet above the atlantic ocean at the time. Which is probably where I'll be this time as well. See you in November... imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Mar 9 11:51:18 1995 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 12:17:12 +0100 X400-Originator: cgp@st-andrews.ac.uk X400-Recipients: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/;<2340.9503091117@pasta.st-andrew] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: Re: SAM MOD p... From: Colin G Piggot Message-Id: <2340.9503091117@pasta.st-andrews.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SAM MOD player 2.00 Pp-Warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 223 Lines: 8 > > Or is this some project some of you are all working on?.... > > I think it's one of these many million things that are being 'worked on'. > -AG It's progressed far from the 'working on' stage! Colin Piggot. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Mar 9 11:54:01 1995 From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk Subject: lightpen To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 11:10:08 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <07d_9503090649@centron.com> from "Johnathan Taylor" at Mar 8, 95 02:44:03 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Message-Id: <9503091110.aa10912@eels12.ee.surrey.ac.uk.> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 231 Lines: 8 Has anyone got the lightpen to work (or, for that matter, does anyone /want/ to get the lightpen to work)? Using a modified C64 pen I could get the y-position rather well but the x-coordinate was all over the shop. -AG From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Mar 9 11:55:25 1995 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 12:32:54 +0100 X400-Originator: cgp@st-andrews.ac.uk X400-Recipients: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/;<3062.9503091132@pasta.st-andrew] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: Re: lightpen From: Colin G Piggot Message-Id: <3062.9503091132@pasta.st-andrews.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: lightpen Pp-Warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 192 Lines: 6 > Has anyone got the lightpen to work I've tried, but its useless! Someone mentioned the interrupts are read in the wrong order or somehting when this was last mentioned.... Colin P. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Mar 9 12:23:48 1995 From: Nigel J Kettlewell Message-Id: <224.199503091214@upwind.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: who? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 12:14:33 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <9503081527.aa14571@almaren.ee.surrey.ac.uk> from "ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk" at Mar 8, 95 15:27:40 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 605 Lines: 15 > > Could someone in the know tell us all who really is behind > West Coast? I've always assumed it was Bob Brenchley ('send > your orders to FORMAT as we are dealing with the orders for > West Coast'. Yes, right.) but originally they had their address > in Wales (different to Blue Alpha's I think) and when I wrote > about getting a new disc drive, I got a letter back from some- > one call Mr Roberts who seemed a managerial sort of a person. I understand that Mr Roberts (or whoever is actually in charge) is Bob Brenchley's brother-in-law, though I'm not sure about this... Nige From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Mar 9 12:24:01 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Knowledge.... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 12:21:25 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <9503091141.AA15595@booth5.ecs.ox.ac.uk> from "Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk" at Mar 9, 95 12:41:38 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 949 Lines: 26 > On Thu, 9 Mar 1995 11:16:43 +0000 (GMT), Simon Cooke said: > > OK.... well, if we all put it together in bits and bobs, I can feed it > > into Word 6 at my end and put together some diagrams for it > ^^^^^^ > Gnerk! ;-) Does the job.. :) > Anyway, have you written any of it yet? What sort of bits and bobs are > we talking about here? Yep, I've written bits of it -- mostly on the graphics hardware side and the z80 optimisation side (but I hate the way I've written them...) I can post up the actual *manual so far* if you want... and if you won't laugh! Bits n bobs as in if anyone wants to write a chunk, feel free :) Simon -- Email:Simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk, csl@fs2.ee.umist.ac.uk, Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK Tel: (01942) 886084 Fax: (01942) 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) WWW: (Newly updated) http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Mar 9 12:25:43 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: lightpen To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 12:22:57 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <3062.9503091132@pasta.st-andrews.ac.uk> from "Colin G Piggot" at Mar 9, 95 12:32:54 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 833 Lines: 21 > > Has anyone got the lightpen to work > > I've tried, but its useless! Someone mentioned the interrupts are read in the > wrong order or somehting when this was last mentioned.... No, they're read in the right order, just that the line interrupt vector is called *after* the palette line stuff, so it falls over. Oh, and an actual lightpen *will* screw up a lot of software, won't have the resolution you'll be expecting, and will generally not be as good as you're thinking it might be.. Won't screw up the ROM though... Simon -- Email:Simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk, csl@fs2.ee.umist.ac.uk, Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK Tel: (01942) 886084 Fax: (01942) 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) WWW: (Newly updated) http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc