From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Mar 9 12:26:14 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: lightpen To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 12:24:14 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <9503091110.aa10912@eels12.ee.surrey.ac.uk.> from "ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk" at Mar 9, 95 11:10:08 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 573 Lines: 14 > Using a modified C64 pen I could get the y-position rather well > but the x-coordinate was all over the shop. X coordinate is done to 4 byte intervals... which means you can only get an x value for every 8 pixels in mode 4. Oh, and the bottom bits have to be masked off... Simon -- Email:Simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk, csl@fs2.ee.umist.ac.uk, Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK Tel: (01942) 886084 Fax: (01942) 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) WWW: (Newly updated) http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc From imc Thu Mar 9 12:27:01 1995 Subject: Re: Knowledge.... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 9 Mar 95 12:27:01 GMT In-Reply-To: ; from "Simon Cooke" at Mar 9, 95 12:21 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 301 Lines: 8 On Thu, 9 Mar 1995 12:21:25 +0000 (GMT), Simon Cooke said: > Bits n bobs as in if anyone wants to write a chunk, feel free :) Yes, but we need to know what's already been done (and possibly a little information about what's needed in slightly more detail than the contents list shows). imc From imc Thu Mar 9 12:29:17 1995 Subject: Re: lightpen To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 9 Mar 95 12:29:17 GMT In-Reply-To: ; from "Simon Cooke" at Mar 9, 95 12:22 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 288 Lines: 7 On Thu, 9 Mar 1995 12:22:57 +0000 (GMT), Simon Cooke said: > No, they're read in the right order, just that the line interrupt vector > is called *after* the palette line stuff, so it falls over. In my copy of the ROM 3.0 it isn't called *at all*, which is rather irksome. imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Mar 9 12:35:24 1995 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 13:29:17 +0100 X400-Originator: Ian.Collier@comlab.oxford.ac.uk X400-Recipients: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/;<9503091229.AA15833@booth5.ecs.o] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: Re: lightpen From: Ian.Collier@uk.ac.oxford.comlab Message-Id: <9503091229.AA15833@booth5.ecs.ox.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: lightpen X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 288 Lines: 7 On Thu, 9 Mar 1995 12:22:57 +0000 (GMT), Simon Cooke said: > No, they're read in the right order, just that the line interrupt vector > is called *after* the palette line stuff, so it falls over. In my copy of the ROM 3.0 it isn't called *at all*, which is rather irksome. imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Mar 9 12:59:32 1995 From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk Subject: Re: "The Unofficial SAM Coupe Technical Manual" -- contents list. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 12:38:13 +0000 (WET) In-Reply-To: from "Simon Cooke" at Mar 9, 95 10:48:03 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Message-Id: <9503091238.aa07272@almaren.ee.surrey.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 72 Lines: 3 Serial mouse? Good news since they are about 3 quid wholesale..... From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Mar 9 13:10:46 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Knowledge.... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 13:02:10 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <9503091227.AA15816@booth5.ecs.ox.ac.uk> from "Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk" at Mar 9, 95 01:27:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 678 Lines: 16 > On Thu, 9 Mar 1995 12:21:25 +0000 (GMT), Simon Cooke said: > > Bits n bobs as in if anyone wants to write a chunk, feel free :) > > Yes, but we need to know what's already been done (and possibly a little > information about what's needed in slightly more detail than the contents > list shows). Er... I can't do everything, can I? I'll post up the manual /as it stands/ asap. Simon -- Email:Simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk, csl@fs2.ee.umist.ac.uk, Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK Tel: (01942) 886084 Fax: (01942) 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) WWW: (Newly updated) http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Mar 9 13:13:38 1995 From: gaw-a@ugrad.cs.york.ac.uk Message-Id: >From: gaw-a@minster.york.ac.uk (Mars Bar) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 12:47:29 +0000 In-Reply-To: Ian.Collier -- "Re: lightpen" (Mar 9, 1:29pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92 (ORBIT)) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: lightpen Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 616 Lines: 16 On Mar 9, 1:29pm in "Re: lightpen", you warbled: ] On Thu, 9 Mar 1995 12:22:57 +0000 (GMT), Simon Cooke said: ] > No, they're read in the right order, just that the line interrupt vector ] > is called *after* the palette line stuff, so it falls over. ] ] In my copy of the ROM 3.0 it isn't called *at all*, which is rather irksome. ] ] imc Mine too - so you have to use the new vector mentioned in the addendum in my version of the manual - the `any interrupt' one. This should actually make the problem si describes go away - because it basically does every interrupt handling itself. Geoff From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Mar 9 13:57:22 1995 From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk Subject: Re: sampaint To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 13:43:44 +0000 (WET) In-Reply-To: <5459.199503091132@hawk.le.ac.uk> from "G.L. Burtenshaw" at Mar 9, 95 11:32:33 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Message-Id: <9503091344.aa08825@almaren.ee.surrey.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 131 Lines: 7 > > SAMPaint could quite easily run twice as fast if I rewrote it... > > GB And if you hadn't written it in BASIC.... From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Mar 9 15:00:25 1995 Message-Id: <17566.199503091205@lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 12:05:08 GMT From: William Easson <9264201e@udcf.gla.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: "The Unofficial SAM Coupe Technical Manual" -- contents list. X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 71 Lines: 3 Wow. Sounds awesome. It'll be great if it can be pulled off! Will From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Mar 9 15:03:20 1995 From: Frode Tennebo Message-Id: <199503091454.AA02506@ulke.hiMolde.no> Subject: Re: Knowledge.... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 15:54:41 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: from "Simon Cooke" at Mar 9, 95 11:16:43 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 704 Lines: 14 > OK.... well, if we all put it together in bits and bobs, I can feed it > into Word 6 at my end and put together some diagrams for it, and then I > can email out a copy of the finished document file for everyone to look > at (in postscript form as well, I suppose)... Why not use FrameMaker - then you can run WebMaker on it and have it HTML-ized for you ;-) -- ^ One To-day is Worth Two To-morrows (Ben Franklin) ^ | ....or: One To-morrow is Worth a Quarter of One Yester-day... | | Frode Tennebo | email: frodet@hiMolde.no | | ECP/PT, CERN, Switzerland | http://www.hiMolde.no/~frodet | | Phone: +33 50 28 26 17 | Luke@IRC | From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Mar 9 17:34:09 1995 From: Frode Tennebo Message-Id: <199503091651.AA05511@ulke.hiMolde.no> Subject: Re: C To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 17:51:00 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <9503091059.AA27063@dxmint.cern.ch> from "Allan Skillman" at Mar 9, 95 11:59:04 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 872 Lines: 20 > So what I would like to see is a compiler with all of Hitech's features > plus support for the SAMs extented memory, and link libraries etc etc. > I have a horrible feeling that all we are really going to get is a `toy' > system - which in many ways is what HiSoft C for the spectrum was. Agreed. If it has only support for 64K I will be reallly dissapointed - wouldn't be much useful. However, I'm crossing my fingers. And please have support for 'inline' machine-code snippers. (like Turbo Pascal). Pretty please.... -- ^ One To-day is Worth Two To-morrows (Ben Franklin) ^ | ....or: One To-morrow is Worth a Quarter of One Yester-day... | | Frode Tennebo | email: frodet@hiMolde.no | | ECP/PT, CERN, Switzerland | http://www.hiMolde.no/~frodet | | Phone: +33 50 28 26 17 | Luke@IRC | From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Mar 9 17:47:06 1995 From: stefan.drissen@tic.iaf.nl Original-Received: by tic.iaf.nl id 0PZHC005 Thu, 09 Mar 95 18:29:50 -0600 Pp-Warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line Message-Id: <9503091829.0PZHC00@tic.iaf.nl> Organization: Internet Connection BBS X-Mailer: TBBS/PIMP v3.11 Date: Thu, 09 Mar 95 18:29:50 -0600 Subject: My knowledge... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 3041 Lines: 52 Hello all, Aha, now I remember the Demo Coders Horseshoe (after all I was part of the horseshoe, I can't say I remember saying hello to Nigel though - were you the dude with the stuffed discs that Bob kept sending?). I just didn't make the link between that "incident" and the horseshoe. I thought it was a bit hard on good ol' Bob though, but then I'm mister all round nice guy with no problems with anyone. So let's keep it friendly at Gloucester shall we... As to the question on reading the mouse, it is rather simple: Read port &FFFE 8 or 9 times (make sure these reads are in quick succession of each other and not interrupted). The first value is the standard cursor key read, the next one is rubbish, the next one is the mouse button status, the next is the mouse button again, the next 3 bytes are for the vertical movement since the last read, the last 3 bytes are for the horizontal movement since the last read. The mouse interface works with nibbles, so you only need the lower 4 bits of each read. The movement nibbles should be put together as first nibble highest, last nibble lowest -> you get a 12 bit value. (I may have mixed up the vertical/horizontal reads but I'm doing this off the top of my head). The best way to figure it all out is to write a little routine that reads the mouse port (off an interrupt for example) and prints the read values, that's how I did it. If the cursor port is read quickly and a mouse is attached then you start getting mouse data, this is the reason the Dead Wild Cat demo by Marc Broster stuffed up with the mouse. So if you are scanning the cursor keys make sure you don't read the port too soon after the last read. I'm not sure what the exact time is but a LD B,0 DJNZ $ is ample time to throw away the mouse read. As to a book on the PC disc, I've got a book by Mr Norton (he of the utilities) which was part of an old disc doctor package which has all the info on the structure of a PC disc. Based on this I wrote a machine code dos disc reader in which you can change directories and get full dirs, load files (even TYPE them with full charachter set). I haven't written a save routine because I didn't need it, a simple load routine is incorporated into the SAM MOD player version 2.00 which automatically detects PC/SAM and then goes along and checks which files are MOD files. As to the WP formats, never looked at them so I can't help there. As (here I am starting another sentence with 'as') to the speech thing. You don't really need an interface to do that, look at the SAM MOD player version 2.00 (am I plugging it or what?). It outputs four channels at 10.4khz and still has time left over to do other things. Outputting a meagre one channel at 7.8khz (that's once every two raster lines) would leave heaps of time over to do other stuff. (So Simon - since you have the burstplayer source blind support for termite should be a doddle). Solar Flare of Entropy (aka Stefan.Drissen@tic.iaf.nl) From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Mar 9 22:05:27 1995 Date: Thu, 09 Mar 1995 20:47:43 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <7382@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Braille displays X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 630 Lines: 23 In message <07e_9503090649@centron.com> Johnathan Taylor writes: > > > How about a Braille interface unit that has 3x2 plungers driven by an I/O port > which can be fed by a utility that converts the ASCII screen output to braile > patterns? > > Johnathan. > Actually these devices exist. I have the special Braille character descriptions for them here in a book.. in braille of course! Braille is not just a character for character mapping job, it has contractions rather like shorthand. Grade 1 braille is more or less character mapped, but its very hard to read. Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Mar 9 22:16:44 1995 Date: Thu, 09 Mar 1995 21:01:32 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <7384@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: lightpen X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 631 Lines: 21 In message <9503091110.aa10912@eels12.ee.surrey.ac.uk.> ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk writes: > Has anyone got the lightpen to work (or, for that matter, does > anyone /want/ to get the lightpen to work)? > > Using a modified C64 pen I could get the y-position rather well > but the x-coordinate was all over the shop. > > -AG > > > Wayne Weedon had my Trojan pen working OK but it would only work over 3 thirds if the screen width left to right. I think its something strange with the hardware... We also had a Kempston joystick going. Yup more projects that never made it... Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Mar 9 22:19:41 1995 Date: Thu, 09 Mar 1995 20:52:43 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <7383@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: CoMpLaInT X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 178 Lines: 8 As I said, braille displays are not really that good. They are expensive and wear out a lot! I would not bother with it in any program. Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Mar 9 23:13:32 1995 From: stefan.drissen@tic.iaf.nl Original-Received: by tic.iaf.nl id 004K2001 Fri, 10 Mar 95 00:05:24 -0600 Pp-Warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line Message-Id: <9503100005.004K200@tic.iaf.nl> Organization: Internet Connection BBS X-Mailer: TBBS/PIMP v3.11 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 95 00:05:24 -0600 Subject: write your own To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 342 Lines: 7 Hi Ian - this one's for you! You just gave yourself away. The only excuse you could think up for not buying the mod player is one which I laid in your lap. Funny that you didn't include the next line of my message, you know, the bit where I say "unless there's no other way around it", so go for it - write your own mod player... From imc Fri Mar 10 11:13:09 1995 Subject: Re: My knowledge... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 10 Mar 95 11:13:09 GMT In-Reply-To: <9503091829.0PZHC00@tic.iaf.nl>; from "stefan.drissen@tic.iaf.nl" at Mar 9, 95 6:29 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 1820 Lines: 34 On Thu, 09 Mar 95 18:29:50 -0600, stefan.drissen@tic.iaf.nl said: > As (here I am starting another sentence with 'as') to the speech thing. You > don't really need an interface to do that, look at the SAM MOD player version > 2.00 (am I plugging it or what?). It outputs four channels at 10.4khz and > still has time left over to do other things. Outputting a meagre one channel > at 7.8khz (that's once every two raster lines) would leave heaps of time over > to do other stuff. I dispute your claim that there is "heaps" of time and still maintain that in order to do speech "transparently" you need an interface. Remember that I have written two sample players (one for 4-bit samples and one for AU files - funnily enough the AU file player took less time per sample than the 4-bit; this is because it used a table). In order to write a transparent sample player you need to do the following. 1. Set the ANYIV vector to your own routine which first finds out what kind of interrupt it is and then jumps to the appropriate routine. 2. In the case of a line interrupt, play the next sample and return. At 7.8KHz you have 768 clock cycles per sample. That's not a whole lot if you want to continue normal processing as well, remembering that for 512 of these cycles RAM access is limited to one per 8 cycles. Moreover, since you need 156 samples per frame and there are only 96 line interrupts per frame, you need to spend the remaining time in the sample player (of course you might be able to get some processing done during this time if you wrote the program cleverly enough, but I'm not talking about that - I'm talking about transparent operation). So my guess is that while the speech program is operating, the Sam will run at 20% speed - if you are lucky. imc From imc Fri Mar 10 11:14:58 1995 Subject: Re: write your own To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 10 Mar 95 11:14:58 GMT In-Reply-To: <9503100005.004K200@tic.iaf.nl>; from "stefan.drissen@tic.iaf.nl" at Mar 10, 95 12:05 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 524 Lines: 11 On Fri, 10 Mar 95 00:05:24 -0600, stefan.drissen@tic.iaf.nl said: > You just gave yourself away. The only excuse you could think up for not buying > the mod player is one which I laid in your lap. Funny that you didn't include > the next line of my message, you know, the bit where I say "unless there's no > other way around it" Ah, but there is another way way round it: simply don't listen to any MODs. I seem to have managed it perfectly well so far. Besides, there is always your old MOD player... imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Mar 10 11:36:25 1995 Message-Id: <27810.199503101129@lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk> From: William Easson <9264201e@udcf.gla.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Knowledge.... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 11:29:24 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <199503091454.AA02506@ulke.hiMolde.no> from "Frode Tennebo" at Mar 9, 95 03:54:41 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 759 Lines: 21 > > Why not use FrameMaker - then you can run WebMaker on > it and have it HTML-ized for you ;-) > Where can I get WebMaker? My web pages are a complete swine to do using Word 6!!! (URL: http://www.gla.ac.uk/Clubs/GUVZS/guvzs.html). By the way; I'm told the world read rights on my pages are all wrong. Do any of you have problems accessing my page? (it's a vet society page). -- William Easson E-Mail: 9264201e@udcf.gla.ac.uk Snail Mail (term): 12, Southpark Terrace, Glasgow G12 8LG, Scotland, UK. Snail Mail (home): 24, Buxton Old Road, Disley, Stockport, Cheshire, UK. Snail Mail (work): Glasgow Vet School, Bearsden Road, Bearsden, Glasgow, UK. "A life spent making many mistakes is better than a life spent doing nothing" From imc Fri Mar 10 11:38:22 1995 Subject: Re: Knowledge.... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 10 Mar 95 11:38:22 GMT In-Reply-To: <27810.199503101129@lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk>; from "William Easson" at Mar 10, 95 11:29 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 270 Lines: 7 On Fri, 10 Mar 1995 11:29:24 +0000 (GMT), William Easson said: > Where can I get WebMaker? My web pages are a complete swine to do using > Word 6!!! (URL: http://www.gla.ac.uk/Clubs/GUVZS/guvzs.html). Don't be a wimp. Use an ordinary text editor... :-) imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Mar 10 11:54:14 1995 Message-Id: <28069.199503101130@lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk> From: William Easson <9264201e@udcf.gla.ac.uk> Subject: Re: sampaint To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 11:30:16 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <9503091344.aa08825@almaren.ee.surrey.ac.uk> from "ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk" at Mar 9, 95 01:43:44 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 566 Lines: 19 > > > > > SAMPaint could quite easily run twice as fast if I rewrote it... > > > > GB > > And if you hadn't written it in BASIC.... > > BASIC??!!! I paid #25 for a BASIC programme? :-) -- William Easson E-Mail: 9264201e@udcf.gla.ac.uk Snail Mail (term): 12, Southpark Terrace, Glasgow G12 8LG, Scotland, UK. Snail Mail (home): 24, Buxton Old Road, Disley, Stockport, Cheshire, UK. Snail Mail (work): Glasgow Vet School, Bearsden Road, Bearsden, Glasgow, UK. "A life spent making many mistakes is better than a life spent doing nothing" From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Mar 10 12:14:49 1995 From: Frode Tennebo Message-Id: <199503101207.AA22067@ulke.hiMolde.no> Subject: Re: Knowledge.... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 13:07:28 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <27810.199503101129@lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk> from "William Easson" at Mar 10, 95 11:29:24 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1132 Lines: 30 > > > > > > Why not use FrameMaker - then you can run WebMaker on > > it and have it HTML-ized for you ;-) > > > > Where can I get WebMaker? My web pages are a complete swine to do using > Word 6!!! (URL: http://www.gla.ac.uk/Clubs/GUVZS/guvzs.html). > Check out: http://www.cern.ch/WebMaker/ And you do not use Word 6 for ANYTHING. > By the way; I'm told the world read rights on my pages are all wrong. > Do any of you have problems accessing my page? (it's a vet society page). I can't read them anyway. Remember that if it's not configured in the server confguration otherwise, your URL above will look for the file at $HTTPDROOT/Clubs/GUVZS/guvzs.html - I assume this is part of a home page? Then you should have something like ~/Clubs/GUVZS/guvzs.html. -- ^ One To-day is Worth Two To-morrows (Ben Franklin) ^ | ....or: One To-morrow is Worth a Quarter of One Yester-day... | | Frode Tennebo | email: frodet@hiMolde.no | | ECP/PT, CERN, Switzerland | http://www.hiMolde.no/~frodet | | Phone: +33 50 28 26 17 | Luke@IRC | From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Mar 10 12:15:50 1995 From: Frode Tennebo Message-Id: <199503101212.AA22300@ulke.hiMolde.no> Subject: Re: Knowledge.... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 13:12:52 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: from "Simon Cooke" at Mar 10, 95 12:08:26 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 577 Lines: 15 > > > > Why not use FrameMaker - then you can run WebMaker on > > > it and have it HTML-ized for you ;-) > Sorry to hijack another person's mail :) > > What *IS* frame maker? I mean, is it a fully fledged wordprocessor or what? Yes. -- ^ One To-day is Worth Two To-morrows (Ben Franklin) ^ | ....or: One To-morrow is Worth a Quarter of One Yester-day... | | Frode Tennebo | email: frodet@hiMolde.no | | ECP/PT, CERN, Switzerland | http://www.hiMolde.no/~frodet | | Phone: +33 50 28 26 17 | Luke@IRC | From imc Fri Mar 10 12:22:33 1995 Subject: Re: Knowledge.... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 10 Mar 95 12:22:33 GMT In-Reply-To: <199503101212.AA22300@ulke.hiMolde.no>; from "Frode Tennebo" at Mar 10, 95 1:12 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 216 Lines: 8 On Fri, 10 Mar 1995 13:12:52 +0100 (MET), Frode Tennebo said: > > What *IS* frame maker? I mean, is it a fully fledged wordprocessor or what? > > Yes. It's still pretty crap compared to TeX though... imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Mar 10 12:25:14 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Knowledge.... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 12:08:26 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <27810.199503101129@lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk> from "William Easson" at Mar 10, 95 11:29:24 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1293 Lines: 33 > > Why not use FrameMaker - then you can run WebMaker on > > it and have it HTML-ized for you ;-) Sorry to hijack another person's mail :) What *IS* frame maker? I mean, is it a fully fledged wordprocessor or what? > Where can I get WebMaker? My web pages are a complete swine to do using > Word 6!!! (URL: http://www.gla.ac.uk/Clubs/GUVZS/guvzs.html). > > By the way; I'm told the world read rights on my pages are all wrong. > Do any of you have problems accessing my page? (it's a vet society page). Just go through setting chmod 644 on all the documents, and chmod 755 on all the directories... Simon > -- > William Easson > E-Mail: 9264201e@udcf.gla.ac.uk > Snail Mail (term): 12, Southpark Terrace, Glasgow G12 8LG, Scotland, UK. > Snail Mail (home): 24, Buxton Old Road, Disley, Stockport, Cheshire, UK. > Snail Mail (work): Glasgow Vet School, Bearsden Road, Bearsden, Glasgow, UK. > > "A life spent making many mistakes is better than a life spent doing nothing" > -- Email:Simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk, csl@fs2.ee.umist.ac.uk, Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK Tel: (01942) 886084 Fax: (01942) 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) WWW: (Newly updated) http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Mar 10 12:29:31 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: sampaint To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 12:25:08 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <28069.199503101130@lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk> from "William Easson" at Mar 10, 95 11:30:16 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 612 Lines: 18 > > > SAMPaint could quite easily run twice as fast if I rewrote it... > > > GB > > And if you hadn't written it in BASIC.... > > BASIC??!!! I paid #25 for a BASIC programme? :-) That's not all... it was written by a person who....... /produced his own disc magazine/... :) :) :) :) Makes you shudder eh? ;) Simon -- Email:Simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk, csl@fs2.ee.umist.ac.uk, Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK Tel: (01942) 886084 Fax: (01942) 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) WWW: (Newly updated) http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Mar 10 12:34:17 1995 From: "G.L. Burtenshaw" Message-Id: <4450.199503101225@hawk.le.ac.uk> Subject: Re: sampaint To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 12:25:40 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <28069.199503101130@lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk> from "William Easson" at Mar 10, 95 11:30:16 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 442 Lines: 21 > > > > > > > > > SAMPaint could quite easily run twice as fast if I rewrote it... > > > > > > GB > > > > And if you hadn't written it in BASIC.... > > > > > > BASIC??!!! I paid #25 for a BASIC programme? :-) > -- > William Easson No no no no no no!!!! It has a few lines of BASIC to link certain sections together, that's all! (You don't really think it would run as fast as it does in BASIC do you?!) GB From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Mar 10 12:36:01 1995 From: Nigel J Kettlewell Message-Id: <26889.199503101227@brillig.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: My knowledge... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 12:27:48 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <9503091829.0PZHC00@tic.iaf.nl> from "stefan.drissen@tic.iaf.nl" at Mar 9, 95 18:29:50 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 635 Lines: 17 > Aha, now I remember the Demo Coders Horseshoe (after all I was part of the > horseshoe, I can't say I remember saying hello to Nigel though - were you the > dude with the stuffed discs that Bob kept sending?). I just didn't make the Yeah, that's right. I was a bit quiet during the show as I was still recovering from the night before. Getting the train early in the morning does _not_ help you feel good. > link between that "incident" and the horseshoe. I thought it was a bit hard on > good ol' Bob though, but then I'm mister all round nice guy with no problems > with anyone. Hard on Bob? Hardly. Nige From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Mar 10 13:00:47 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Knowledge.... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 12:44:49 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <199503101212.AA22300@ulke.hiMolde.no> from "Frode Tennebo" at Mar 10, 95 01:12:52 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 618 Lines: 16 > > What *IS* frame maker? I mean, is it a fully fledged wordprocessor or what? > > Yes. Okay, so is it freeware, shareware, or what? Does it run on an MSDOS/ WIndows based system? (Because that's what I have)... Can it insert documents using Windows' OLE system? (becuase I need that for diagrams and equations)... Simon -- Email:Simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk, csl@fs2.ee.umist.ac.uk, Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK Tel: (01942) 886084 Fax: (01942) 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) WWW: (Newly updated) http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Mar 10 13:45:08 1995 From: Frode Tennebo Message-Id: <199503101334.AA24699@ulke.hiMolde.no> Subject: Re: Knowledge.... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 14:34:23 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: from "Simon Cooke" at Mar 10, 95 12:44:49 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 814 Lines: 19 > > > > What *IS* frame maker? I mean, is it a fully fledged wordprocessor or what? > > > > Yes. > > Okay, so is it freeware, shareware, or what? Does it run on an MSDOS/ > WIndows based system? (Because that's what I have)... Can it insert > documents using Windows' OLE system? (becuase I need that for diagrams > and equations)... It runs on at least unix and Windows as I know of. But it's commersial, and will probably comply to OLE. Haven't used it though. -- ^ One To-day is Worth Two To-morrows (Ben Franklin) ^ | ....or: One To-morrow is Worth a Quarter of One Yester-day... | | Frode Tennebo | email: frodet@hiMolde.no | | ECP/PT, CERN, Switzerland | http://www.hiMolde.no/~frodet | | Phone: +33 50 28 26 17 | Luke@IRC | From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Mar 10 14:27:07 1995 Message-Id: <8474.199503101338@lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 13:38:48 GMT From: William Easson <9264201e@udcf.gla.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: sampaint X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1072 Lines: 38 | From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Mar 10 13:06 GMT 1995 | From: "G.L. Burtenshaw" | Message-Id: <4450.199503101225@hawk.le.ac.uk> | Subject: Re: sampaint | To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no | Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 12:25:40 +0000 (GMT) | In-Reply-To: <28069.199503101130@lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk> from "William Easson" at Mar 10, 95 11:30:16 am | X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] | Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no | Precedence: bulk | Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no | Content-Type: text | Content-Length: 420 | X-Lines: 21 | | > | > > | > > > | > > > SAMPaint could quite easily run twice as fast if I rewrote it... | > > > | > > > GB | > > | > > And if you hadn't written it in BASIC.... | > > | > > | > | > BASIC??!!! I paid #25 for a BASIC programme? :-) | > -- | > William Easson | | | No no no no no no!!!! It has a few lines of BASIC to link certain sections | together, that's all! | (You don't really think it would run as fast as it does in BASIC do you?!) | | GB | Erm... no I didn't! From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Mar 10 14:27:53 1995 Message-Id: <9779.199503101343@lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 13:43:33 GMT From: William Easson <9264201e@udcf.gla.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: sampaint X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 981 Lines: 28 | From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Mar 10 13:10 GMT 1995 | Message-Id: | From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) | Subject: Re: sampaint | To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no | Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 12:25:08 +0000 (GMT) | Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) | In-Reply-To: <28069.199503101130@lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk> from "William Easson" at Mar 10, 95 11:30:16 am | X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] | Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no | Precedence: bulk | Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no | Content-Type: text | Content-Length: 593 | X-Lines: 18 | | > > > SAMPaint could quite easily run twice as fast if I rewrote it... | > > > GB | > > And if you hadn't written it in BASIC.... | > | > BASIC??!!! I paid #25 for a BASIC programme? :-) | | That's not all... it was written by a person who....... /produced his own | disc magazine/... :) :) :) :) | | Makes you shudder eh? ;) | Yeeeuuuccchhh! -shudders- From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Mar 10 14:54:49 1995 From: Lord Blackadder Message-Id: <9503101447.AA29097@bs47c.staffs.ac.uk> Subject: Re: C To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 14:47:20 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <9503091059.AA27063@dxmint.cern.ch> from "Allan Skillman" at Mar 9, 95 11:59:04 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1215 Lines: 34 > > I think I completely agree with Johnathan on this point. The main use for a C > compiler on a machine like the SAM would be to port software from the public > domain. For this to be possible its got to be ANSI - or at least K&R (give > or take the floating point stuff - that can always be implemented using the > SAMs floating point calculator). As far as I know Small C is far from a full > version of C - it does not contain structures etc. > > So what I would like to see is a compiler with all of Hitech's features > plus support for the SAMs extented memory, and link libraries etc etc. > I have a horrible feeling that all we are really going to get is a `toy' > system - which in many ways is what HiSoft C for the spectrum was. > > Comments anyone? > > Allan > > -- > I totally agree. If it is just a port of small C then it should be in the public domain. I do think, however, if it does support all the SAM's hardware then Crippleware/Selling is okay. I will not pay anything for a 'C' compiler that doesn't offer full 'C' support, debug, optimizations etc I can get this for the PC/UNIX as shareware. This 'C' compiler better be good. Lord B' From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Mar 10 14:55:25 1995 Message-Id: <9466.199503101341@lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 13:41:53 GMT From: William Easson <9264201e@udcf.gla.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Knowledge.... X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2177 Lines: 59 | From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Mar 10 13:09 GMT 1995 | Message-Id: | From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) | Subject: Re: Knowledge.... | To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no | Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 12:08:26 +0000 (GMT) | Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) | In-Reply-To: <27810.199503101129@lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk> from "William Easson" at Mar 10, 95 11:29:24 am | X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] | Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no | Precedence: bulk | Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no | Content-Type: text | Content-Length: 1259 | X-Lines: 33 | | > > Why not use FrameMaker - then you can run WebMaker on | > > it and have it HTML-ized for you ;-) | Sorry to hijack another person's mail :) | | What *IS* frame maker? I mean, is it a fully fledged wordprocessor or what? No probs. _I_ didn't know what frame maker was... | | > Where can I get WebMaker? My web pages are a complete swine to do using | > Word 6!!! (URL: http://www.gla.ac.uk/Clubs/GUVZS/guvzs.html). | > | > By the way; I'm told the world read rights on my pages are all wrong. | > Do any of you have problems accessing my page? (it's a vet society page). | | Just go through setting chmod 644 on all the documents, and chmod 755 on | all the directories... | | Simon | | > -- | > William Easson | > E-Mail: 9264201e@udcf.gla.ac.uk | > Snail Mail (term): 12, Southpark Terrace, Glasgow G12 8LG, Scotland, UK. | > Snail Mail (home): 24, Buxton Old Road, Disley, Stockport, Cheshire, UK. | > Snail Mail (work): Glasgow Vet School, Bearsden Road, Bearsden, Glasgow, UK. | > | > "A life spent making many mistakes is better than a life spent doing nothing" | > | | | -- | Email:Simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk, csl@fs2.ee.umist.ac.uk, Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk | Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK | Tel: (01942) 886084 Fax: (01942) 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) | WWW: (Newly updated) http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc | Thanks. Only problem is... I don't have access to the server. I'll have to point this all out to the server manager. Thanks again... Will From imc Fri Mar 10 14:59:06 1995 Subject: Re: Knowledge.... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 10 Mar 95 14:59:06 GMT In-Reply-To: <9466.199503101341@lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk>; from "William Easson" at Mar 10, 95 1:41 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 648 Lines: 18 On Fri, 10 Mar 1995 13:41:53 GMT, William Easson said: [20 lines of quotation deleted, including the header of the original message] > | What *IS* frame maker? I mean, is it a fully fledged wordprocessor or what? > > No probs. _I_ didn't know what frame maker was... [29 lines of quotation deleted, including two signatures] > Thanks. Only problem is... I don't have access to the server. I'll have to point this all out > to the server manager. Could you *please* edit down the article you are quoting? We don't need to see the whole thing - header, signature and all - again, because we have already read it once. imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Mar 10 15:21:37 1995 From: Lord Blackadder Message-Id: <9503101442.AA28800@bs47c.staffs.ac.uk> Subject: Re: "The Unofficial SAM Coupe Technical Manual" -- contents list. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 14:42:40 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: from "Simon Cooke" at Mar 9, 95 10:48:03 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 120 Lines: 12 Si. I want a copy of this technical manual now! Shit! I forgot it wasn't written.... Bast' Lord B' From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Mar 10 15:28:32 1995 From: Frode Tennebo Message-Id: <199503101459.AA27010@ulke.hiMolde.no> Subject: Re: "The Unofficial SAM Coupe Technical Manual" -- contents list. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 15:59:11 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <9503101442.AA28800@bs47c.staffs.ac.uk> from "Lord Blackadder" at Mar 10, 95 02:42:40 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 514 Lines: 17 > > Si. I want a copy of this technical manual now! > > > Shit! I forgot it wasn't written.... > But the contents list is on http://www.cern.ch/~frodet/samcont.html -- ^ One To-day is Worth Two To-morrows (Ben Franklin) ^ | ....or: One To-morrow is Worth a Quarter of One Yester-day... | | Frode Tennebo | email: frodet@hiMolde.no | | ECP/PT, CERN, Switzerland | http://www.hiMolde.no/~frodet | | Phone: +33 50 28 26 17 | Luke@IRC | From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Mar 10 15:53:06 1995 From: Lord Blackadder Message-Id: <9503101450.AA28732@bs47c.staffs.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Entropy get together.. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 14:50:49 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: from "Simon Cooke" at Mar 9, 95 11:17:20 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 812 Lines: 34 > > > > > I have just mailed you my rle C source, if you are interested... > > > > > > > > I hope you can find the error? F**ked if I can see it... > > Will look at it today! > > Simon > Ta mate! I have a new e-mail cm3hdlt@tardis.soc.staffs.ac.uk. > -- > Email:Simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk, csl@fs2.ee.umist.ac.uk, Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk > Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK > Tel: (01942) 886084 Fax: (01942) 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) > WWW: (Newly updated) http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc > Lord B' P.S What do you think of the goth.soc WWW on my home page. It's still not finished but I will work on it. P.P.S Have you got a copy of all of the HTML codes? P.P.P.S How about implementing HTML into your text viewer? From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Mar 10 16:58:51 1995 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 11:20:27 -0500 From: Gene Fender To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Why am I still receiving messages. Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 109 Lines: 4 I didn't keep the unsubscribe info, but is the procedure for dropping subscription really so involved? From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Mar 10 17:05:56 1995 From: Frode Tennebo Message-Id: <199503101629.AA29352@ulke.hiMolde.no> Subject: Re: Why am I still receiving messages. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 17:29:54 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: from "Gene Fender" at Mar 10, 95 11:20:27 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 695 Lines: 16 > > I didn't keep the unsubscribe info, but > is the procedure for dropping subscription > really so involved? subscription/unsubscription to the list should never go to the list itself - that is normal. In this case try emailing majordomo@nvg.unit.no with 'help'. I _think_ the correct request should be 'unsubscribe sam-users', but not totally sure. -- ^ One To-day is Worth Two To-morrows (Ben Franklin) ^ | ....or: One To-morrow is Worth a Quarter of One Yester-day... | | Frode Tennebo | email: frodet@hiMolde.no | | ECP/PT, CERN, Switzerland | http://www.hiMolde.no/~frodet | | Phone: +33 50 28 26 17 | Luke@IRC | From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Mar 10 17:37:18 1995 Message-Id: <29326.199503101638@lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 16:38:31 GMT From: William Easson <9264201e@udcf.gla.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Knowledge.... X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 246 Lines: 8 | Could you *please* edit down the article you are quoting? We don't need to | see the whole thing - header, signature and all - again, because we have | already read it once. My apologies. I'll try not to let it happen again. Will From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Mar 10 17:40:15 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Entropy get together.. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 16:25:09 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <9503101450.AA28732@bs47c.staffs.ac.uk> from "Lord Blackadder" at Mar 10, 95 02:50:49 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1122 Lines: 34 > > I have a new e-mail cm3hdlt@tardis.soc.staffs.ac.uk. okay... when I get chance I'll make a note of it > > P.S What do you think of the goth.soc WWW on my home page. It's still > not finished but I will work on it. 'sokay! Ain't had much of a look around yet though, and I cuold only do it text-wise... > P.P.S Have you got a copy of all of the HTML codes? Nope... but I have *some*, somewhere... http to http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/, and they're in the hotlist I think... > P.P.P.S How about implementing HTML into your text viewer? Beat you to it -- already on the drawing board. The text viewer will support: *.HTML files (or *.HTM -- standard HTML) *.CTML (or *.CTM -- compressed HTML) *.MHTA (or *.MHA -- multiple hypertext archive -- compiles all linked files into one file, with gfx...) Si -- Email:Simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk, csl@fs2.ee.umist.ac.uk, Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK Tel: (01942) 886084 Fax: (01942) 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) WWW: (Newly updated) http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Mar 10 19:01:58 1995 From: stefan.drissen@tic.iaf.nl Original-Received: by tic.iaf.nl id 0S1E9006 Fri, 10 Mar 95 19:57:31 -0600 Pp-Warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line Message-Id: <9503101957.0S1E900@tic.iaf.nl> Organization: Internet Connection BBS X-Mailer: TBBS/PIMP v3.11 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 95 19:57:31 -0600 Subject: Ian is being picky To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 3051 Lines: 62 Hi Ian, I have to agree with you that a TRANSPARENT speech routine will be difficult (bordering on not worth the bother). Why have transparent though, if you want to use extra features you need restrictions. The BURSTPLAYER uses the alternate registers HL' DE' BC' AF' for its interrupt routines, so these are off limits. The reason for this is that when an interrupt occurs an EXX and EX AF,AF' are enough to store the registers saving a whole lot of time compared to PUSHing and POPing the lot. The sample data is read into a buffer during border time (activated by line interrupt 191), there are two buffers of 156 bytes, while one buffer is being filled the other one is being played. During the border time "software timing" is used to build up the new buffer and keep outputting the old buffer. The beauty of building up a buffer like this is that you only have to change the hmpr twice, once to select the current sample page, and once to put back the old page. Also a table is used (32 tables on the mod player) to allow fast converting of the sample byte (in whichever format) to a SAM byte with volume. So ALL of the border time is needed by the burstplayer plus every two lines there's a bit of code which looks like this: EX AF,AF' EXX device driver -> can be OUTI OUTI (for soundchip) or simply OUTI for DAC etc... EXX EX AF,AF' EI RET Since a screen has 312 lines, 312-192=120 lines bordertime used plus say 60 tstates for each line interrupt. This means that a total of 120*384 + 60 * (192/2) = 51840 tstates are used up. Total available time without player = 120*384 + 192*256 = 95232. Thus 51840/95232*100%=54% of time is used by player leaving 46% of the SAM's processing time for other things. And even 20% is plenty of time if the speech is being transmitted while the text is being read since the printing needs to be sloooowwedd down anyway. I must say that I quite liked the sound of your AU files, pretty cool for 4 bits (but they're not 4 are they but 5?) Even if you had this interface thingy hooked up with it's own little buffer you would still need to download 156 bytes per frame to it meaning that it would not be totally transparent (which you find so important). If you never listen to mods anyway then don't buy the mod player, I can't see the point. Using the old player if you do is fine by me - it's just that the old one is crap compared to the new one. The biggest noticeable difference (if you're using the soundchip for output) is that looped samples are rubbish on the old player (when I rewrote the code I was rather amazed at what a load of crappy logic I had sitting in there). The new effects supported (the old player only supported set volume, porta up and down (bugged), vol slide down, pattern break and set speed) make a lot of mods sound a whole whole lot better. But I'm not forcing you to buy anything or listen to anything, it's a free world.... Bye... Solar Flare of Entropy (aka Stefan.Drissen@tic.iaf.nl) From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Mar 10 20:26:45 1995 Message-Id: <710.199503101643@lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 16:43:09 GMT From: William Easson <9264201e@udcf.gla.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 668 Lines: 18 | From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Mar 10 15:32 GMT 1995 | Message-Id: | X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 | Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 09:45:49 -0500 | From: Gene Fender | To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no | | unsubscribe fender@intellimedia.com | Haven't you gone yet? I'd have thought that someone'd spill the beans as to how to unsubscribe (I don';t actually know, but seeing as I don't have any intention of unsubscribing...). Or are we just going to keep filling up his mailbox with this stuff??! >:-> Will imc please note- the bare minimum of quotation! I was is a rush earlier today... From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Mar 10 20:46:13 1995 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 20:23:17 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <7444@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Knowledge.... X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 186 Lines: 8 Please, WWW is a minority interest and little to do with SAM. Nobody on dial access would want to access them at any call rate! Far too slow... Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Mar 10 21:04:09 1995 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 20:24:58 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <7445@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Knowledge.... X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 248 Lines: 9 In message <199503101212.AA22300@ulke.hiMolde.no> Frode Tennebo writes: > > > > What *IS* frame maker? I mean, is it a fully fledged wordprocessor or what? > > Yes. > Ah good, I need an 'or what' urgently! :-) -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Mar 10 21:28:23 1995 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 20:27:13 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <7446@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: sampaint X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 257 Lines: 9 I think any program that has not got to do anything too complex with discs must drop to basic for I/O to make it easy to alter for other forms or storage etc. Also it should steer clear of Mdos and Mbasic's pages? Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sat Mar 11 12:43:32 1995 From: Frode Tennebo Message-Id: <199503111241.AA15339@ulke.hiMolde.no> Subject: Re: Knowledge.... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 11 Mar 1995 13:41:29 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <7444@bgserv.demon.co.uk> from "Brian Gaff Sam Dept." at Mar 10, 95 08:23:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1094 Lines: 27 > > Please, WWW is a minority interest and little to do with SAM. > Nobody on dial access would want to access them at any call > rate! Far too slow... I assume you refer to my posting with http://www.cern.ch/~frodet/samcont.html? This was ment as a service to those who have access to www - quite a significant number if I'm not mistaken. And I know quite a lot of people that usess graphic based www-browsers on dial access. However, you can also access www with terminal based browsers. One alternative is lynx which is run from your local account, or you can telnet to www.cern.ch and log in as 'www'. As to the point on how much it has to do with the SAM, I agree, but www hasn't really got much to do with anything ;) > > Brian -- ^ One To-day is Worth Two To-morrows (Ben Franklin) ^ | ....or: One To-morrow is Worth a Quarter of One Yester-day... | | Frode Tennebo | email: frodet@hiMolde.no | | ECP/PT, CERN, Switzerland | http://www.hiMolde.no/~frodet | | Phone: +33 50 28 26 17 | Luke@IRC | From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sat Mar 11 13:22:52 1995 From: Frode Tennebo Message-Id: <199503111320.AA15890@ulke.hiMolde.no> Subject: Re: Knowledge.... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 11 Mar 1995 14:20:54 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <7445@bgserv.demon.co.uk> from "Brian Gaff Sam Dept." at Mar 10, 95 08:24:58 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 657 Lines: 23 > > In message <199503101212.AA22300@ulke.hiMolde.no> Frode Tennebo writes: > > > > > > What *IS* frame maker? I mean, is it a fully fledged wordprocessor or what? > > > > Yes. > > > Ah good, I need an 'or what' urgently! :-) It's on the web. :) Sorry about that :-/ > -- > Brian Gaff Sam Dept. > -- ^ One To-day is Worth Two To-morrows (Ben Franklin) ^ | ....or: One To-morrow is Worth a Quarter of One Yester-day... | | Frode Tennebo | email: frodet@hiMolde.no | | ECP/PT, CERN, Switzerland | http://www.hiMolde.no/~frodet | | Phone: +33 50 28 26 17 | Luke@IRC | From imc Sun Mar 12 12:56:10 1995 Subject: Re: Ian is being picky To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 12 Mar 95 12:56:10 GMT In-Reply-To: <9503101957.0S1E900@tic.iaf.nl>; from "stefan.drissen@tic.iaf.nl" at Mar 10, 95 7:57 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 1433 Lines: 28 On Fri, 10 Mar 95 19:57:31 -0600, stefan.drissen@tic.iaf.nl said: > I have to agree with you that a TRANSPARENT speech routine will be difficult > (bordering on not worth the bother). Why have transparent though, if you want > to use extra features you need restrictions. You need a transparent player if you want to make it work with someone else's software. For example, if I installed a frame interrupt handler which scans the keyboard and speaks each key that is pressed, I could use this in conjunction with any BASIC program or any machine code program that doesn't mess with sections A and B. If this is to be satisfactory, I don't want to slow the Sam down by more than, say, 10%. > I must say that I quite liked the sound of your AU files, pretty cool for 4 > bits (but they're not 4 are they but 5?) As a matter of interest, where did you get a copy of this program from?: (it's not generally available yet, unless I've missed something). Yes, it is a pseudo-5-bit player. > Even if you had this interface thingy hooked up with it's own little buffer you > would still need to download 156 bytes per frame to it meaning that it would > not be totally transparent (which you find so important). Transparent means that you can't tell it's there. Not that it doesn't exist. You can write a short program that outputs 156 bytes on each frame interrupt and still make it transparent. imc From imc Sun Mar 12 12:58:40 1995 Subject: Rubik's cube To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 12 Mar 95 12:58:40 GMT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 290 Lines: 6 By the way, is anyone interested in a program that emulates and solves the Rubik's cube? I found it lying around recently on one of my ancient tapes of home-grown speccy programs (it's in speccy basic but it can be easily translated to sam basic with the MGT translator). :-) imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sun Mar 12 15:59:00 1995 From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk Subject: Re: Rubik's cube To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 12 Mar 1995 15:57:12 +0000 (WET) In-Reply-To: <9503121258.AA15783@boothp1.ecs.ox.ac.uk> from "Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk" at Mar 12, 95 01:58:40 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Message-Id: <9503121557.aa07110@valar.ee.surrey.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 228 Lines: 6 What's the point of a computerised Rubiks cube - you wouldn't be able to break it to bits and put it back in the right configuration. Rubik's smake was far more fun - you didn't actually have a problem to solve! -Andrew From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sun Mar 12 19:20:31 1995 From: Mr Andrew M Gale Message-Id: <9503121918.AA05811@central.surrey.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Rubik's cube To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 12 Mar 95 19:18:33 GMT In-Reply-To: <9503121557.aa07110@valar.ee.surrey.ac.uk>; from "ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk" at Mar 12, 95 3:57 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 16 Lines: 2 smake=snake From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sun Mar 12 19:36:00 1995 From: Mr Andrew M Gale Message-Id: <9503121934.AA07234@central.surrey.ac.uk> Subject: mouse To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 12 Mar 95 19:34:10 GMT In-Reply-To: <9503121557.aa07110@valar.ee.surrey.ac.uk>; from "ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk" at Mar 12, 95 3:57 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 153 Lines: 4 Thanks for the mouse info..... Does much software read the mouse port directly - if not then a cheaper serial-based mouse could be an alternative. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sun Mar 12 22:44:47 1995 Date: Sun, 12 Mar 1995 22:40:57 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Taylor X-Sender: sct1000@blue.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: mouse In-Reply-To: <9503121934.AA07234@central.surrey.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 903 Lines: 23 On Sun, 12 Mar 1995, Mr Andrew M Gale wrote: > Thanks for the mouse info..... > Does much software read the mouse port directly - if not > then a cheaper serial-based mouse could be an alternative. > You'll find that about half the games that use the mouse (Triltex, Lemmings etc.) read the port directly, as does Driver. Basic programs use either the original mouse driver or the version 2.0 that I did a while ago. I guess that compatibility with a serial mouse is easy enough for Basic programs - you just change the mouse driver code. Steve. \\/// (o o) +----------------ooO-(_)-Ooo----------------+ | Steve Taylor sct1000@cam.ac.uk | | Pembroke College | | Cambridge CB2 1RF | | http://nikita.pem.cam.ac.uk/sct1000 | +-------------------------------------------+ From imc Mon Mar 13 13:51:08 1995 Subject: Re: Rubik's cube To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 13 Mar 95 13:51:08 GMT In-Reply-To: <9503121557.aa07110@valar.ee.surrey.ac.uk>; from "ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk" at Mar 12, 95 3:57 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 498 Lines: 11 On Sun, 12 Mar 1995 15:57:12 +0000 (WET), ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk said: > What's the point of a computerised Rubiks cube - you > wouldn't be able to break it to bits and put it back > in the right configuration. Yes you can. Just break in and type RUN. Besides, you don't need to as the program can solve the cube. Also you can type in your own cube and ask the program to solve it (though obviously to do this properly you will need to type PALETTE 3,36 (or something) first). imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Mar 14 12:54:42 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: SAM Coupe Technical Manual To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no (Sam Users Mailing List) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 12:38:07 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 404 Lines: 11 Hi everyone... /SHOULD/ I post up a current version of the technical manual? It's zipped and Word 6 format.... Simon -- Email:Simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk, csl@fs2.ee.umist.ac.uk, Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK Tel: (01942) 886084 Fax: (01942) 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) WWW: (Newly updated) http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc From imc Tue Mar 14 13:06:15 1995 Subject: Re: SAM Coupe Technical Manual To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 14 Mar 95 13:06:15 GMT In-Reply-To: ; from "Simon Cooke" at Mar 14, 95 12:38 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 334 Lines: 9 On Tue, 14 Mar 1995 12:38:07 +0000 (GMT), Simon Cooke said: > /SHOULD/ I post up a current version of the technical manual? It's zipped > and Word 6 format.... You should definitely not post it anywhere in Word 6 format unless you also supply an ascii version (also postscript for anyone who wants a pretty version). imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Mar 14 13:17:32 1995 Message-Id: <22898.9503141311@rs6-233.cls-4.bcc.ac.uk> Subject: Re: SAM Coupe Technical Manual To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 13:11:04 +0000 (GMT) From: Mr Keith Turner In-Reply-To: from "Simon Cooke" at Mar 14, 95 12:38:07 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 422 Lines: 9 Don't mail the technical manual to the mailing list. Put it up on FTP and offer to mail it to individuals, but don't just send it to the list, otherwise certain friendly and useful people might feel pushed out and will stop reading the list. It's more about perception than actual bandwidth. If people feel that the mailing list is wasting their money they unsubscribe, and the Sam community loses out. / Message-Id: <842.9503141256@titian.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Subject: Re: SAM Coupe Technical Manual To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 12:56:47 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: from "Simon Cooke" at Mar 14, 95 12:38:07 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 352 Lines: 13 To Quote Simon Cooke : > /SHOULD/ I post up a current version of the technical manual? It's zipped > and Word 6 format.... I'd be interested, if you don't post it up here, would you consider emailing it to people? Tim -- Tim Paveley - University of Southampton Sam Coupe Web Pages: http://whig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~tsp93/Coupe/home.html From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Mar 14 13:57:02 1995 From: "Doore, Dan [MIS]" To: sam-users Subject: Re: SAM Coupe Technical Manual Date: Tue, 14 Mar 95 13:24:00 PST Message-Id: <2F66086E@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 17 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 447 Lines: 17 > On Tue, 14 Mar 1995 12:38:07 +0000 (GMT), Simon Cooke said: > > /SHOULD/ I post up a current version of the technical manual? It's zipped > > and Word 6 format.... > > You should definitely not post it anywhere in Word 6 format unless you > also supply an ascii version (also postscript for anyone who wants a pretty > version). Well _I'd_ like the Word 6 Version, but an ascii version is also a must. Dan Doore > imc > From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Mar 14 13:57:02 1995 From: "Doore, Dan [MIS]" To: sam-users Subject: Re: SAM Coupe Technical Manual Date: Tue, 14 Mar 95 13:38:00 PST Message-Id: <2F660B22@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 15 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 358 Lines: 15 > To Quote Simon Cooke : > > /SHOULD/ I post up a current version of the technical manual? It's zipped > > and Word 6 format.... > > I'd be interested, if you don't post it up here, would you consider emailing > it to people? I assumed that 'post up' refered to posting it on nvg, and not the mailing list - is this the case? Dan Doore From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Mar 14 17:26:00 1995 From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk Subject: Re: "The Unofficial SAM Coupe Technical Manual" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 16:50:55 +0000 (WET) In-Reply-To: <17566.199503091205@lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk> from "William Easson" at Mar 9, 95 12:05:08 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Message-Id: <9503141651.aa18702@almaren.ee.surrey.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 78 Lines: 3 Can anyone remeber the location of Future Publishing's WWW page, please? From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 15 11:36:26 1995 From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk Subject: i/o ports To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 11:27:55 +0000 (WET) In-Reply-To: <9503091829.0PZHC00@tic.iaf.nl> from "stefan.drissen@tic.iaf.nl" at Mar 9, 95 06:29:50 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Message-Id: <9503151128.aa15654@valar.ee.surrey.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 422 Lines: 11 Can anyone advise me about available i/o ports? I know about all the ones listed in the technical manual, and I think the meg uses 128/129, but what about things like the kaleidoscope, the hardware tutorial kit, the voicebox and the blue alpha sampler? Are there any other commercial products? Basically.... which ports can I use - are there any you'd like to reserve, Simon, for you many projects?! -ANdrew From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 15 12:14:28 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: i/o ports To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 12:08:23 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <9503151128.aa15654@valar.ee.surrey.ac.uk> from "ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk" at Mar 15, 95 11:27:55 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1341 Lines: 35 > Can anyone advise me about available i/o ports? > I know about all the ones listed in the technical manual, > and I think the meg uses 128/129, but what about things > like the kaleidoscope, the hardware tutorial kit, the > voicebox and the blue alpha sampler? Are there any other > commercial products? Basically.... which ports can I use - > are there any you'd like to reserve, Simon, for you many > projects?! > > -ANdrew Righty ho... &xx7f is the Blue alpha ones... &xx80-&xx83 are both used by the Meg and the Ryan... &xxD0-&xxDF are Entropy reserved (for the MultiROM, the Quazar Surround, and many other projects - including theAccelrator, High Density drive interace, et al) &xxE0-&xxFF are SAMCO/MGT reserved... and &xxA0-&xxAF are currently reserved for the Entropy HD interface. AFAIK you can use any of the others that you like... But /please/ let me know -- I'm now the "official" port allocator it seems, and a full list will be in the next issue of SAM Prime, and also in the Unoff.. tech manual. Simon -- Email:Simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk, csl@fs2.ee.umist.ac.uk, Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK Tel: (01942) 886084 Fax: (01942) 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) WWW: (Newly updated) http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc From imc Wed Mar 15 12:17:45 1995 Subject: Re: i/o ports To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 15 Mar 95 12:17:45 GMT In-Reply-To: ; from "Simon Cooke" at Mar 15, 95 12:08 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 160 Lines: 6 On Wed, 15 Mar 1995 12:08:23 +0000 (GMT), Simon Cooke said: > &xx80-&xx83 are both used by the Meg and the Ryan... What, Meg Ryan uses a Sam? :-) imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 15 12:56:29 1995 From: Colin G Piggot Date: Wed, 15 Mar 95 12:50:04 GMT Message-Id: <12727.9503151250@pasta.st-andrews.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: i/o ports Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 69 Lines: 3 Ports &xxD0 and &xxD1 are used in the Quazar Surround. Colin P. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 15 13:30:55 1995 From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk Subject: kempston To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 13:01:14 +0000 (WET) In-Reply-To: from "Simon Cooke" at Mar 15, 95 12:08:23 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Message-Id: <9503151301.aa21578@valar.ee.surrey.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 254 Lines: 8 Can anyone tell me about the kempston joystick please? Which port did it use, and which bits were associated with which directions - I assume they are like the keyboard: normally '1' but go to '0' when the switch is closed.... Thanks! -Andrew From imc Wed Mar 15 13:42:44 1995 Subject: Re: kempston To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 15 Mar 95 13:42:44 GMT In-Reply-To: <9503151301.aa21578@valar.ee.surrey.ac.uk>; from "ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk" at Mar 15, 95 1:01 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 414 Lines: 11 On Wed, 15 Mar 1995 13:01:14 +0000 (WET), ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk said: > Can anyone tell me about the kempston joystick please? Input from port 31 contains kempston_right (bit 0), kempston_left (bit 1), kempston_down (bit 2), kempston_up (bit 3) and kempston_fire (bit 4), where a zero-bit means "not pressed". Or so I am reliably informed by the person who sent me a joystick patch for xz80... imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 15 14:05:50 1995 From: Colin G Piggot Date: Wed, 15 Mar 95 13:16:49 GMT Message-Id: <13365.9503151316@pasta.st-andrews.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: kempston Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 164 Lines: 6 > Can anyone tell me about the kempston joystick please? This is a speccy joystick, and as far as i can remember it used port 31 on the speccies. Colin P. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 15 14:07:14 1995 From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk Subject: Re: i/o ports To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 12:46:37 +0000 (WET) In-Reply-To: from "Simon Cooke" at Mar 15, 95 12:08:23 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Message-Id: <9503151247.aa20852@valar.ee.surrey.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 251 Lines: 9 Simon, Thanks for the list of i/o ports - do you think it would be a good idea to reserve a block for 'home-brew' projects so that anyone who wants to build their own stuff knows that no future products will collide with them? -Andrew From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 15 14:34:48 1995 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 13:16:24 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Taylor X-Sender: sct1000@blue.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: i/o ports In-Reply-To: <9503151217.AA21333@booth5.ecs.ox.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 741 Lines: 23 On Wed, 15 Mar 1995 Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk wrote: > On Wed, 15 Mar 1995 12:08:23 +0000 (GMT), Simon Cooke said: > > &xx80-&xx83 are both used by the Meg and the Ryan... > > What, Meg Ryan uses a Sam? :-) Aaah - that explains the restaurant scene in "When Harry met Sally" when she's told that Lemmings has finally been released. ;-) Steve. PS. New SAM bittie on my Web page! \\/// (o o) +----------------ooO-(_)-Ooo----------------+ | Steve Taylor sct1000@cam.ac.uk | | Pembroke College | | Cambridge CB2 1RF | | http://nikita.pem.cam.ac.uk/sct1000 | +-------------------------------------------+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 15 14:35:30 1995 From: David Zambonini To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 13:17:35 GMT Subject: Re: i/o ports Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 469 Lines: 18 > On Wed, 15 Mar 1995 12:08:23 +0000 (GMT), Simon Cooke said: > > &xx80-&xx83 are both used by the Meg and the Ryan... > > What, Meg Ryan uses a Sam? :-) > > imc > Nonononono.. the Meg AND the Ryan.. y'know.. that couple that live down the street.... ( shades of SAM User manual.... or was it the Speccy?... :) ) Talking of famous footballers.. is there any chance that the Ryan will be accused of memory-fixing or something? :) DMZ === From imc Wed Mar 15 16:01:53 1995 Subject: A BASIC problem... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 15 Mar 95 16:01:53 GMT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 1705 Lines: 39 I have a huge (200K) BASIC program (for those who have seen Syncitium, it is a version of the "music" program which contains quite a bit more material). The problem is that whenever I type CLEAR or RUN the computer seems to freeze ("GOTO start" works flawlessly though). Is this due to... (a) a normal process that is very slow and I just need some more patience; (b) a bug in the ROM, or (c) an inconsistency in the program? I have done all the consistency checks I can think of on the program and they all turn out fine. These are: - Check that the length field of each line number points correctly to the next line or the end of the program - Check that the offset field of each numeric variable either contains FFFF or points to another numeric variable - Check that the numeric variables are stored with no gaps in between and that the end address of the numeric variables is correctly recorded - Check that the length field of each string or array variable points correctly to the next variable or the end of the variable area. The only slightly strange thing I saw was that the program contains several copies of a variable called f$, but that shouldn't make any difference (I didn't examine the flags to see whether they were all hidden). BTW, * If I delete most of the program then CLEAR and RUN work. If I delete only some of it then they don't. I have occasionally managed to get CLEAR to work and RUN to freeze. * If I delete the whole program and then save it (resulting in just the variables being saved), then the Sam freezes whenever I try to merge the saved file into a short program. Any thoughts? imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 15 17:17:43 1995 From: goringgn Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 16:36:30 GMT Message-Id: <2728.9503151636@sun.aston.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: A BASIC problem... X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 168 Lines: 7 I have had the freeze-up problem. Yuck! Couldn't get rid of it. Still, not as bad as the "Oops! What's that bloody variable then?" problem. *shudder* Graham From imc Wed Mar 15 17:23:48 1995 Subject: Re: A BASIC problem... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 15 Mar 95 17:23:48 GMT In-Reply-To: <2728.9503151636@sun.aston.ac.uk>; from "goringgn" at Mar 15, 95 4:36 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 1070 Lines: 34 On Wed, 15 Mar 1995 16:36:30 GMT, goringgn said: > I have had the freeze-up problem. Yuck! Couldn't get rid of it. > Still, not as bad as the "Oops! What's that bloody variable then?" > problem. *shudder* I've had that too. Here's how I did it. 1. Accidentally delete a line of the program. 2. Delete a large chunk of lines that haven't changed recently (to make the thing smaller). Forget to CLEAR the variables. 3. Save the short program. 4. Load an earlier version of the program. 5. Merge the short program. Wait. ... ... 6. Get bored and press BREAK. The program itself looked fine, but... PRINT a$ hello LET a$="foobar" PRINT a$ a$ not found It turned out to be an inconsistency in the variables area, where the variables end marker had some junk after it followed by another variables end marker. You change a variable and what happens... it get moved to a position just before the second end marker. But this means it is *after* the first end marker, so now you have an invisible variable. imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 15 19:21:09 1995 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 18:52:36 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Wells To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: A BASIC problem... X-Sender: tgw1001@imap.hermes.cam.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <9503151601.AA24957@booth5.ecs.ox.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 967 Lines: 22 On Wed, 15 Mar 1995 Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk wrote: > I have a huge (200K) BASIC program (for those who have seen Syncitium, it is > a version of the "music" program which contains quite a bit more material). > The problem is that whenever I type CLEAR or RUN the computer seems to > freeze ("GOTO start" works flawlessly though). > > Is this due to... > > (a) a normal process that is very slow and I just need some more patience; > (b) a bug in the ROM, or > (c) an inconsistency in the program? I think (a) - I've had similar problems with _long_ BASIC programs. I'm not sure what the ROM is doing here. I vaguely remember someone telling me that it was due to the SAM creating lookup tables for variables/procedures or something to speed up the BASIC - I don't know how true this is. Anyway, if you wait long enough, you should be rewarded. MasterBASIC reduces the wait significantly I believe, although doesn't eradicate it. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 15 19:52:14 1995 From: "Doore, Dan [MIS]" To: sam-users Subject: RE: A BASIC problem... Date: Wed, 15 Mar 95 16:50:00 PST Message-Id: <2F6789C9@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 27 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 856 Lines: 27 > I have a huge (200K) BASIC program (for those who have seen Syncitium, it is > a version of the "music" program which contains quite a bit more material). > The problem is that whenever I type CLEAR or RUN the computer seems to > freeze ("GOTO start" works flawlessly though). As far as I can remember, CLEAR and RUN cause a sort-of recompilation of the code (or whatever it does before going through and interpreping the lines) to sort out labels, procedure locations etc. and this causes quite a delay, even on programs of 20K or so, it could be that. How many BASIC pages are opened? Can you RENUM without it running out of memory? Are any loops crossing page boundries? (BTW: has anybody got any more info on this?) It sounds like BASIC hasn't enough room to move about (as it were) but who knows... Dan Doore From imc Thu Mar 16 10:56:47 1995 Subject: Re: A BASIC problem... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 16 Mar 95 10:56:47 GMT In-Reply-To: ; from "Tim Wells" at Mar 15, 95 6:52 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 2109 Lines: 47 On Wed, 15 Mar 1995 18:52:36 -0800 (PST), Tim Wells said: > I think (a) - I've had similar problems with _long_ BASIC programs. ... > Anyway, if you wait long enough, you should be rewarded. This is not true as I left one of these things for an hour and it didn't come back. However, I have discovered the answer by accident. When you CLEAR or RUN, just after the variables are cleared the Sam goes through the program and sets variables for all the LABELs. This also seems to happen just after a program is loaded, and also just before any command is executed if you have edited the program since last time. The program in question contains enough labels to fill about 1300 bytes. My theory is that the ROM does something wrong whenever it tries to expand the gap that lies just after the numeric variables so that it cannot continue the process of creating labels (maybe it is as simple as forgetting to save a register or something like that). This probably also applies to the MERGE command. So, what happens is this... Type CLEAR. After a couple of seconds the 512 byte gap is filled and the Sam expands the numeric variables to 1116 bytes, then freezes. Press the break button. Type a command such as PRINT or STOP. The Sam again starts looking for labels. After a few seconds it fills the numeric variables again, expands them to 1628 bytes, then freezes. Press the break button. Type the command again. The Sam restarts its label search. As there are only enough to fill 1300 bytes, it manages to finish the process and then executes the command successfully. After I discovered this by accident, I checked the numeric variables size and funnily enough it was exactly 1628 [this figure includes 92 bytes for the variables xos, xrg, yos and yrg, which are always present]. Of course, it is impossible to check the numeric variables size any eariler than this, because the Sam will not execute any command until the labels have been created. Needless to say, this is one of the most irritating ROM bugs I have seen... imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Mar 16 11:21:31 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: i/o ports To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 11:19:18 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <12727.9503151250@pasta.st-andrews.ac.uk> from "Colin G Piggot" at Mar 15, 95 12:50:04 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 396 Lines: 10 > Ports &xxD0 and &xxD1 are used in the Quazar Surround. Which is xxD1 for? I don't remember... Sampler? Simon -- Email:Simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk, csl@fs2.ee.umist.ac.uk, Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK Tel: (01942) 886084 Fax: (01942) 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) WWW: (Newly updated) http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Mar 16 11:57:26 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: A BASIC problem... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 11:21:56 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <9503161056.AA03002@booth5.ecs.ox.ac.uk> from "Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk" at Mar 16, 95 11:56:47 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 466 Lines: 12 > Needless to say, this is one of the most irritating ROM bugs I have seen... Soooo... anyone know how to fix it? I can then put the fix in the MultiROM and the HominROM. Simon -- Email:Simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk, csl@fs2.ee.umist.ac.uk, Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK Tel: (01942) 886084 Fax: (01942) 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) WWW: (Newly updated) http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc From imc Thu Mar 16 12:11:44 1995 Subject: Re: A BASIC problem... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 16 Mar 95 12:11:44 GMT In-Reply-To: ; from "Simon Cooke" at Mar 16, 95 11:21 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 417 Lines: 12 On Thu, 16 Mar 1995 11:21:56 +0000 (GMT), Simon Cooke said: > > Needless to say, this is one of the most irritating ROM bugs I have seen... > Soooo... anyone know how to fix it? I can then put the fix in the > MultiROM and the HominROM. It's you who have the source code. Of course, if someone were to tell me how much it costs I might order it (and while we are at it, how much is MasterDOS?). imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Mar 16 12:39:09 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: kempston To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 11:20:12 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <13365.9503151316@pasta.st-andrews.ac.uk> from "Colin G Piggot" at Mar 15, 95 01:16:49 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 512 Lines: 16 > This is a speccy joystick, and as far as i can remember it used port 31 > on the speccies. *puts on Spec Tec hat* Yep Colin, yer right :) I'll see if I can find which bit does what from my old copies of INPUT! Simon -- Email:Simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk, csl@fs2.ee.umist.ac.uk, Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK Tel: (01942) 886084 Fax: (01942) 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) WWW: (Newly updated) http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Mar 16 12:40:11 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: i/o ports To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 11:17:26 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <9503151247.aa20852@valar.ee.surrey.ac.uk> from "ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk" at Mar 15, 95 12:46:37 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 660 Lines: 15 > Thanks for the list of i/o ports - do you think it would be > a good idea to reserve a block for 'home-brew' projects so > that anyone who wants to build their own stuff knows that no > future products will collide with them? Yeah -- should be no problem. I think xxCx or xxBx was reserved for stuff like hardware kits last time I looked... let me check :) Simon -- Email:Simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk, csl@fs2.ee.umist.ac.uk, Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK Tel: (01942) 886084 Fax: (01942) 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) WWW: (Newly updated) http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Mar 16 13:12:15 1995 From: goringgn Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 11:35:49 GMT Message-Id: <1555.9503161135@sun.aston.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: A BASIC problem... X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2563 Lines: 58 > Subject: Re: A BASIC problem... > > On Wed, 15 Mar 1995 18:52:36 -0800 (PST), Tim Wells said: > > I think (a) - I've had similar problems with _long_ BASIC programs. > ... > > Anyway, if you wait long enough, you should be rewarded. > > This is not true as I left one of these things for an hour and it didn't > come back. > > However, I have discovered the answer by accident. > > When you CLEAR or RUN, just after the variables are cleared the Sam goes > through the program and sets variables for all the LABELs. This also > seems to happen just after a program is loaded, and also just before > any command is executed if you have edited the program since last time. > > The program in question contains enough labels to fill about 1300 bytes. My > theory is that the ROM does something wrong whenever it tries to expand the > gap that lies just after the numeric variables so that it cannot continue > the process of creating labels (maybe it is as simple as forgetting to > save a register or something like that). This probably also applies to > the MERGE command. So, what happens is this... > > Type CLEAR. After a couple of seconds the 512 byte gap is filled and the > Sam expands the numeric variables to 1116 bytes, then freezes. > > Press the break button. > > Type a command such as PRINT or STOP. The Sam again starts looking for > labels. After a few seconds it fills the numeric variables again, expands > them to 1628 bytes, then freezes. > > Press the break button. > > Type the command again. The Sam restarts its label search. As there are > only enough to fill 1300 bytes, it manages to finish the process and then > executes the command successfully. > > After I discovered this by accident, I checked the numeric variables size > and funnily enough it was exactly 1628 [this figure includes 92 bytes > for the variables xos, xrg, yos and yrg, which are always present]. Of > course, it is impossible to check the numeric variables size any eariler > than this, because the Sam will not execute any command until the labels > have been created. > > Needless to say, this is one of the most irritating ROM bugs I have seen... > > imc > This bug can also be manufactured by interrupting the computer whilst it loads some type of file by using the break button. Code files are okay, but if you press break whilst loading a BASIC one then you are pretty much guaranteed to have this ugly little problem rear it's squat demonic head. Ugh! Graham From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Mar 16 13:38:30 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: A BASIC problem... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 13:12:43 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <9503161211.AA05554@booth5.ecs.ox.ac.uk> from "Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk" at Mar 16, 95 01:11:44 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 835 Lines: 20 > > Soooo... anyone know how to fix it? I can then put the fix in the > > MultiROM and the HominROM. > > It's you who have the source code. > > Of course, if someone were to tell me how much it costs I might order it > (and while we are at it, how much is MasterDOS?). > > imc Erk... sorry for the above mess I made... Okay, I've got the source, but not the time to fix it (Uni is getting hectic).. I'll try and find out the prices and where to get it from -- but BG might know .. SImon -- +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) ----+ | Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK | | Tel: +44 1942 886084 Fax: +44 1942 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc -------------------------------------+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Mar 16 14:03:57 1995 From: Tim Paveley Message-Id: <21271.9503161359@titian.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Subject: MasterDOS To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no (sam users mailing list) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 13:59:09 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 381 Lines: 18 MasterDOS 15.99 (probably or thereabouts) Andy Wright Himself? BetaSoft - 24 Wyche Avenue, Kings Heath, Birmingham, B14 6LQ or Fred (with subbers discount if you get it) Fred Publishing, 40 Roundyhill, Monifieth, Dundee, DD5 4RZ Tim ...@/ -- Tim Paveley - University of Southampton Sam Coupe Web Pages: http://whig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~tsp93/Coupe/home.html From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Mar 17 16:48:13 1995 From: Lord Blackadder Message-Id: <9503171635.AA10300@bs47c.staffs.ac.uk> Subject: Where is everybody? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no (SAM users mailing list.) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 16:35:21 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 254 Lines: 11 Has anybody posted to the sam-users today? I tried to unsubscribe one of my accounts (I get two copies of everything because I tried to change from my VMS to UNIX account). I just thought I might have been taken off the list?! Lord B' From imc Fri Mar 17 16:49:08 1995 Subject: Re: Where is everybody? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 17 Mar 95 16:49:08 GMT In-Reply-To: <9503171635.AA10300@bs47c.staffs.ac.uk>; from "Lord Blackadder" at Mar 17, 95 4:35 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 170 Lines: 8 On Fri, 17 Mar 1995 16:35:21 +0000 (GMT), Lord Blackadder said: > Has anybody posted to the sam-users today? Don't think so. Correction: they have now... imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Mar 17 16:59:30 1995 From: "Doore, Dan [MIS]" To: sam-users Subject: RE: Where is everybody? Date: Fri, 17 Mar 95 16:53:00 PST Message-Id: <2F6A2F2E@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 15 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 293 Lines: 15 > Has anybody posted to the sam-users today? Nope. (apart from you) I've been busy, and that's my excuse. **** START PLUG **** I am beta testing Solar Flares new MOD player and it's bloody brilliant, so there. Go out and get it soon **** END PLUG **** SeeYa. Dan Doore From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Mar 17 17:46:51 1995 From: frodet@www1.cern.ch (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9503171723.AA26459@wwwlab.cern.ch> Subject: Re: Where is everybody? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 18:23:08 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <9503171635.AA10300@bs47c.staffs.ac.uk> from "Lord Blackadder" at Mar 17, 95 04:35:21 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 811 Lines: 32 > I tried to unsubscribe one of my accounts (I get two copies of everything > because I tried to change from my VMS to UNIX account). mail majordomo@nvg.unit.no 'unsubscribe sam-users' or 'unsubscribe sam-users cm3hdlt%bs41.dnet.ac.uk@bsps1.staffs.ac.uk' (That's the one you want, right?) > I just thought I might have been taken off the list?! Nope, not yet :) FYI, I can tell you that we are currently 33 persons on the list. The new-comers are: William Easson - 9264201e@udcf.gla.ac.uk Andrew M Gale - ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk Stefan Drissen - stefan.drissen@tic.iaf.nl Me - frodet@wwwlab.cern.ch ..and in addition: eraadr@scs.leeds.ac.uk tgw1001@cam.ac.uk ...whom I don't know who are. (For you Dan!) :-) > Lord B From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Mar 17 18:00:14 1995 From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk Subject: Re: Where is everybody? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 17:15:18 +0000 (WET) In-Reply-To: <9503171635.AA10300@bs47c.staffs.ac.uk> from "Lord Blackadder" at Mar 17, 95 04:35:21 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Message-Id: <9503171715.aa27944@nienna.ee.surrey.ac.uk.> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 234 Lines: 12 > > Has anybody posted to the sam-users today? > > Lord B' Don't worry, we're all still alive. It's just that it's end of term so we're all lethargic and have loads of assignments to hand in like yesterday..... -AG From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Mar 17 19:22:23 1995 Message-Id: <14073.199503171836@rockall.cent.gla.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 18:36:56 GMT X-Sender: 9264201e@pop-server.cent.gla.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: 9264201e@udcf.gla.ac.uk (Will Easson) Subject: Re: Where is everybody? X-Mailer: Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 384 Lines: 15 >> >> Has anybody posted to the sam-users today? >> >> Lord B' > > >Don't worry, we're all still alive. It's just that it's end of term >so we're all lethargic and have loads of assignments to hand in like >yesterday..... And lots of Guiness in us... -hic!- And I can't log in to UNIX at Glasgow, so I can't read my mail properly (I'm lucky I can send this!!!). From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Mar 17 19:23:42 1995 Message-Id: <13626.199503171809@rockall.cent.gla.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 18:09:08 GMT X-Sender: 9264201e@pop-server.cent.gla.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: 9264201e@udcf.gla.ac.uk (Will Easson) Subject: Re: Where is everybody? X-Mailer: Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 271 Lines: 17 >On Fri, 17 Mar 1995 16:35:21 +0000 (GMT), Lord Blackadder said: >> Has anybody posted to the sam-users today? > >Don't think so. > >Correction: they have now... > >imc > Do remember it's the Easter hols, now. I'm off tomorrow. See ya!! Will Easson From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sat Mar 18 12:40:17 1995 From: frodet@www1.cern.ch (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9503181237.AA07051@wwwlab.cern.ch> Subject: Re: Where is everybody? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 18 Mar 1995 13:37:54 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <13626.199503171809@rockall.cent.gla.ac.uk> from "Will Easson" at Mar 17, 95 06:09:08 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 208 Lines: 12 > Do remember it's the Easter hols, now. Easter??? You must be kidding! > I'm off tomorrow. Good luck to you if you intend to go on Easter hols now.... > Will Easson Cheers -Frode Tennebo From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sat Mar 18 18:42:08 1995 Date: Sat, 18 Mar 1995 19:41:45 +0100 X400-Originator: eraadr%scs.leeds.ac.uk@gps1.leeds.ac.uk X400-Recipients: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/;<24028.199503181841@csgi12.scs.l] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: eraadr(l)a(r)scs From: eraadr@scs.leeds.ac.uk Message-Id: <24028.199503181841@csgi12.scs.leeds.ac.uk> To: sam-users Subject: eraadr@scs.leeds.ac.uk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 685 Lines: 24 --------- Received message begins Here --------- > From: frodet@www1.cern.ch (Frode Tenneboe) > Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 18:23:08 +0100 (MET) > > ..and in addition: > > eraadr@scs.leeds.ac.uk > tgw1001@cam.ac.uk > > ...whom I don't know who are. Hi Frode! eraadr@scs.leeds.ac.uk is me, Arne Di Russo, I was already subscribed from my dial in account in Rome, mc8189@mclink.it but as I spend this second semester here at Leeds Uni I subscribed again from here. BTW is there any way I can unsubscribe my Italian Email address without having access to it? I think in the meantime there must be tons of mail waiting to be read... Bye, Arne From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sun Mar 19 06:18:01 1995 Date: Sun, 19 Mar 1995 06:01:52 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <7544@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Where is everybody? X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 76 Lines: 6 Are any of us REALLY here anyway... Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sun Mar 19 08:09:19 1995 From: Johnathan Taylor Date: 12 Mar 95 03:32:46 +0000 Subject: Knowledge.... Message-Id: Organization: CC-NET BBS To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 780 Lines: 24 On (10 Mar 95) Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk wrote... > Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 12:38:22 +0100 > From: Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk > On Fri, 10 Mar 1995 11:29:24 +0000 (GMT), William Easson said: > Where can I get WebMaker? My web pages are a complete swine to do using > Word 6!!! (URL: http://www.gla.ac.uk/Clubs/GUVZS/guvzs.html). > Don't be a wimp. Use an ordinary text editor... :-) Look at the pot calling the kettle black! Use a disk sector editor and create the file and directory entries from scratch;-) Johnathan. ... There's no such thing as a problem - it's either a challenge or a fact -- |Fidonet: Johnathan Taylor 2:2501/307.9 |Internet: jet@centron.com | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sun Mar 19 08:09:20 1995 From: Johnathan Taylor Date: 12 Mar 95 21:58:57 +0000 Subject: Braille displays Message-Id: Organization: CC-NET BBS To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1567 Lines: 43 On (09 Mar 95) Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk wrote... > Date: Thu, 09 Mar 1995 20:47:43 GMT > From: "Brian Gaff Sam Dept." > In message <07e_9503090649@centron.com> Johnathan Taylor writes: >> How about a Braille interface unit that has 3x2 plungers driven by an I/O >> Johnathan. > Actually these devices exist. I have the special Braille > character descriptions for them here in a book.. in braille of > course! > Braille is not just a character for character mapping job, it > has contractions rather like shorthand. > Grade 1 braille is more or less character mapped, but its very > hard to read. I saw a braille display years back on TV it was more than just a single character's worth of plungers but a complete line which was scanned with the hand just like reading a book... I know braille like all other methods of comunication has it's shorthand forms which make life easier once you know them. But normally you're expected to be profficient in the discrete form before you start using the shorthand as with handwriting, morse-code, sign-language etc. Anyway just the mechanics involved in controlling 3 x 2 x 80 plungers would restrict the manufacture to profesional techniques only.. Has anyone got any decent software implementable set of rules that can translate english text into allophones? Johnathan. -- |Fidonet: Johnathan Taylor 2:2501/307.9 |Internet: jet@centron.com | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sun Mar 19 08:12:34 1995 From: Johnathan Taylor Date: 15 Mar 95 02:03:24 +0000 Subject: SAM Coupe Technical Manual Message-Id: Organization: CC-NET BBS To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 933 Lines: 28 On (14 Mar 95) simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk wrote to All... sc> From: Simon Cooke sc> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 12:38:07 +0000 (GMT) sc> Hi everyone... sc> /SHOULD/ I post up a current version of the technical manual? It's zipped sc> and Word 6 format.... upload it to a FTP site but not to the list itself, last time I remeber you tried attaching a UUE to a message to the list it never apeared, probably got filtered out by majordomo! I don't think I've got anything that'll read Word 6 format properly so how about ASCII text and ANSI drawings;-) Johnathan. PS did you get the little ZIP from our fileserv here with info on Class2 fax transport? I've got alot more (entire C source to QL QFAX and encode/decode support utils) -- |Fidonet: Johnathan Taylor 2:2501/307.9 |Internet: jet@centron.com | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sun Mar 19 08:32:41 1995 From: Johnathan Taylor Date: 15 Mar 95 02:20:06 +0000 Subject: Sound sampler... -Reply Message-Id: Organization: CC-NET BBS To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2136 Lines: 47 On (03 Mar 95) FENDER@intellimedia.com wrote to All... GF> Date: Fri, 03 Mar 1995 10:11:40 -0500 GF> From: Gene Fender GF> Voice recognition is NOT a silly notion for the SAM. GF> I was not expecting to use it for dictation, afterall. GF> There were even some little robot toys several years GF> ago that could distinguish enough to accept about 6 GF> commands. You might also be impressed by some of the GF> PC voice rec software. If you use a limited vocabulary, GF> then the software has only to make the best match and GF> could even intelligently guess from the phrase list. I think Gene's disapeared off the list now but he's quite right! In Every Day/Practical Electronics mag' Interface articles in Aug,Sept & Oct94 they wrote about speech recognition and it's problems and workable solutions. The result was some external analogue hardware interfacing to the IBM-PC Analogue Joystick port and a compiled QBASIC program that performs the base functions of learning and recognising words in 8bit sample resolution AND a slow sample rate! The method used was to split the incomming voice into highpass and lowpass signals and rectifying and smoothing the two signals to provide envelope shape data not the actual speech istelf. These only need to be sampled at say 25 samples per-second and instead of storing the entire sample of each time the word is spoken, an average difference pattern is formed from the high and low pass envelopes and that is stored as the reference. If compiled QBASIC can do it on a PC then an Interupt driven routine *could* do it on the sam! And a dedicated M/Code program would do it easily and probably spend most of it's time waiting to read the next samples! That's why I originally mentioned an 8 channel 8bit ADC as it'd have lines to spare and would be easy enough to hook up:-) Johnathan. ... Information Super-HYPE-Way. The Marketeer's Paradise! -- |Fidonet: Johnathan Taylor 2:2501/307.9 |Internet: jet@centron.com | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sun Mar 19 10:32:42 1995 From: gaw-a@ugrad.cs.york.ac.uk Message-Id: >From: gaw-a@minster.york.ac.uk (Mars Bar) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 1995 10:19:15 +0000 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92 (ORBIT)) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: ok, so... Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 177 Lines: 14 It should have been Subject: anything-you-like unsubscribe sam-users should go in the _body_, not in the header. Such is life. Hope it works. Cheers Geoff From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sun Mar 19 10:41:24 1995 From: gaw-a@ugrad.cs.york.ac.uk Message-Id: >From: gaw-a@minster.york.ac.uk (Mars Bar) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 1995 10:31:28 +0000 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92 (ORBIT)) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: ok... so I'm thick Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 220 Lines: 16 That should of course have been rcpt to: sam-users-request and To: sam-users-request NOT majordomo. Then again, it may have worked. It may not. I really can't be hassled to find out. *sigh* Geoff From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sun Mar 19 10:52:38 1995 From: gaw-a@ugrad.cs.york.ac.uk Message-Id: >From: gaw-a@minster.york.ac.uk (Mars Bar) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 1995 10:11:33 +0000 In-Reply-To: eraadr -- "eraadr@scs.leeds.ac.uk" (Mar 18, 7:41pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92 (ORBIT)) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: eraadr@scs.leeds.ac.uk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 538 Lines: 18 On Mar 18, 7:41pm in "eraadr@scs.leeds.ac.uk", Arne warbled: ] BTW is there any way I can unsubscribe my Italian Email address without ] having access to it? I think in the meantime there must be tons of ] mail waiting to be read... *thinks... telnet sabre-wolf.nvg.unit.no 25 helo scs.leeds.ac.uk ( this can actually be anything, almost all machines don't care...) mail from: mc8189@mclink.it rcpt to: majordomo data From: mc8189@mclink.it Subject: unsubscribe sam-users To: majordomo@nvg.unit.no Please? From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sun Mar 19 14:25:27 1995 From: Colin G Piggot Date: Sun, 19 Mar 95 14:23:24 GMT Message-Id: <17114.9503191423@pasta.st-andrews.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Braille displays Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 265 Lines: 9 > Johnathan Taylor said.... > Has anyone got any decent software implementable set of rules that can > translate english text into allophones? Yup, got the rules and allophones and I'm in the middle of writing the proggy to use the rules.... Colin P. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sun Mar 19 14:41:27 1995 From: Frode Tennebo Message-Id: <199503191439.AA27913@ulke.hiMolde.no> Subject: Re: Where is everybody? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 19 Mar 1995 15:39:29 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <7544@bgserv.demon.co.uk> from "Brian Gaff Sam Dept." at Mar 19, 95 06:01:52 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 542 Lines: 20 > > Are any of us REALLY here anyway... Depends.....on how you define 'here'. I know for sure that I'm _here_, and I also know that my SO is not. > > Brian > > -- > Brian Gaff Sam Dept. > -- ^ One To-day is Worth Two To-morrows (Ben Franklin) ^ | ....or: One To-morrow is Worth a Quarter of One Yester-day... | | Frode Tennebo | email: frodet@hiMolde.no | | ECP/PT, CERN, Switzerland | http://www.hiMolde.no/~frodet | | Phone: +33 50 28 26 17 | Luke@IRC | From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sun Mar 19 15:33:15 1995 From: frodet@www1.cern.ch (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9503191516.AA21928@wwwlab.cern.ch> Subject: Re: ok... so I'm thick To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 19 Mar 1995 16:16:37 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: from "Mars Bar" at Mar 19, 95 10:31:28 am Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 340 Lines: 21 > > That should of course have been > rcpt to: sam-users-request > > and > > To: sam-users-request > > NOT majordomo. > > Then again, it may have worked. It may not. I really can't be hassled > to find out. Why do it simple when you can do it difficultly: unsubscribe sam-users mc8189@mclink.it > Geoff > > From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sun Mar 19 16:12:56 1995 From: gaw-a@ugrad.cs.york.ac.uk Message-Id: >From: gaw-a@minster.york.ac.uk (Mars Bar) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 1995 15:49:29 +0000 In-Reply-To: frodet -- "Re: ok... so I'm thick" (Mar 19, 4:16pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92 (ORBIT)) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: ok... so I'm thick Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 320 Lines: 12 On Mar 19, 4:16pm in "Re: ok... so I'm thick", you warbled: ] Why do it simple when you can do it difficultly: ] ] unsubscribe sam-users mc8189@mclink.it You mean you could unsubscribe me that easily? Or vice versa? Hmmm. Sounds a little iffy to me. Methinks someone should fix that software... Geoff From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Mar 20 08:53:35 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: ok... so I'm thick To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 08:47:40 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: from "Mars Bar" at Mar 19, 95 03:49:29 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 813 Lines: 21 > ] Why do it simple when you can do it difficultly: > ] > ] unsubscribe sam-users mc8189@mclink.it > > You mean you could unsubscribe me that easily? Or vice versa? > > Hmmm. Sounds a little iffy to me. Methinks someone should fix that > software... Yeah, but arnt got a little pissed off last time people did that ... it seems to fill his mailbox with lots of odd messages telling him "LOOK! LOOK! Someone's buggering about with someone else's account!" Simon -- +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) ----+ | Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK | | Tel: +44 1942 886084 Fax: +44 1942 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc -------------------------------------+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Mar 20 09:14:09 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: SAM Coupe Technical Manual To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 08:51:04 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: from "Johnathan Taylor" at Mar 15, 95 02:03:24 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1494 Lines: 31 > upload it to a FTP site but not to the list itself, last time I remeber you > tried attaching a UUE to a message to the list it never apeared, probably > got filtered out by majordomo! > I don't think I've got anything that'll read Word 6 format properly so > how about ASCII text and ANSI drawings;-) Okay... ASCII text is in there, as is post-script as well, and it's now in the "incoming" directory. unfortunately, the diagrams aren't in the ASCII version... sorry... > Johnathan. > > PS did you get the little ZIP from our fileserv here with info on Class2 fax > transport? > I've got alot more (entire C source to QL QFAX and encode/decode support utils) Nope... any chance that you could send me a disk in the post? Oh yes, and can you give me your address again? I've got a Comms Interface design I want you to mull over -- 2 interfaces on the one board, both taking up 1 IO space, with programmable interrupts and switchable RIng input.. uses the 2692 (big brother to the 2691). I'm calling it the Gemini. Not built it yet though. Guess it'll cost atbou 40 quid to buy from me, and that's not making a profit. Simon -- +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) ----+ | Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK | | Tel: +44 1942 886084 Fax: +44 1942 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc -------------------------------------+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Mar 20 10:08:17 1995 From: goringgn Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 10:03:11 GMT Message-Id: <4167.9503201003@sun.aston.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: The End Of An Ear-Ache (Heard that before?) X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1603 Lines: 29 Hello me old maties! Well, due to the fact that I am terminally crap at my Uni course, and that the bastards that be will probably not let me change courses I am shagged indeedy. For this reason I have decided to give you all FIVE DAYS to think up sad and heart-rending messages to make me fell even worse about leaving Aston Uni. I guess this is the end of all my chatterings with you, but for one thing. A saviour is within out midst (stupid word that) and his name is... (heavenly angels sing and la la la a bit whilst strumming on harps and looking basically like smug gits who know THEY'VE got an eternity of peace to look forward to (if no decent music (Hell has all the best composers))) Ooh, um, Simon Cooke. As soon as simon has this darned Termite thing working I fully intend to get myself a copy and a dial-up connection (15 pounds registration, 10 pounds per month) and a Modem I intend to spend the occasional evening chatting with you all. So for christ's sake drop any idea of posting sodding massive binaries here or my phone bill will explode through the roof. Um, anyway, I'll be around for five more days and then that is it for a while, maybe even eternity. I hope to see most of you at the show, I'll be the guy crying in the corner bleeding profusely at the wrists. Love and hugs and stuff (within reason) to all of you and looking forward to all the "And he was such a nice bloke, we shall miss him...} posts. Ta-ra for now. Graham / Anonimity Smith (coming out the closet about that embarrassing little skeleton) From imc Mon Mar 20 10:57:01 1995 Subject: Re: ok... so I'm thick To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 20 Mar 95 10:57:01 GMT In-Reply-To: ; from "Mars Bar" at Mar 19, 95 3:49 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 204 Lines: 7 On Sun, 19 Mar 1995 15:49:29 +0000, Mars Bar said: > You mean you could unsubscribe me that easily? Or vice versa? You already could. You were the one that posted the SMTP hack, remember? imc From imc Mon Mar 20 10:58:23 1995 Subject: Re: eraadr@scs.leeds.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 20 Mar 95 10:58:23 GMT In-Reply-To: ; from "Mars Bar" at Mar 19, 95 10:11 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 324 Lines: 8 On Sun, 19 Mar 1995 10:11:33 +0000, Mars Bar said: > telnet sabre-wolf.nvg.unit.no 25 > helo scs.leeds.ac.uk ( this can actually be anything, almost all machines don't care...) I've found that many do care, because they already know who you are and they get suspicious if you pretend to be someone else. imc From imc Mon Mar 20 11:00:00 1995 Subject: Re: Knowledge.... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 20 Mar 95 11:00:00 GMT In-Reply-To: ; from "Johnathan Taylor" at Mar 12, 95 3:32 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 414 Lines: 12 On 12 Mar 95 03:32:46 +0000, Johnathan Taylor said: > Look at the pot calling the kettle black! Use a disk sector editor and create > the file and directory entries from scratch;-) That's hardly the same thing. Anyway it's impossible as I would need superuser privileges to do that on this machine. Besides, why don't you just go and record your files directly with a magnet on the disk?... imc From imc Mon Mar 20 11:02:30 1995 Subject: Re: Braille displays To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 20 Mar 95 11:02:30 GMT In-Reply-To: ; from "Johnathan Taylor" at Mar 12, 95 9:58 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 492 Lines: 11 On 12 Mar 95 21:58:57 +0000, Johnathan Taylor said: > Has anyone got any decent software implementable set of rules that can > translate english text into allophones? Obviously someone has - just look at http://wwwtios.cs.utwente.nl/say for example. Somewhere in there it gives the ftp address for the actual software that can speak sentences. I haven't examined the source, but I understand that it synthesises the speech rather than playing out pre-sampled allophones. imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Mar 20 12:22:05 1995 From: gaw-a@ugrad.cs.york.ac.uk Message-Id: >From: gaw-a@minster.york.ac.uk (Mars Bar) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 11:42:02 +0000 In-Reply-To: Ian.Collier -- "Re: eraadr@scs.leeds.ac.uk" (Mar 20, 11:58am) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92 (ORBIT)) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: eraadr@scs.leeds.ac.uk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 338 Lines: 12 On Mar 20, 11:58am in "Re: eraadr@scs.leeds.ac.uk", you warbled: ] I've found that many do care, because they already know who you are and they ] get suspicious if you pretend to be someone else. They just say `helo scs.leeds.ac.uk, why do you call yourself eternity.heaven.com ? But they don't usually care much. Geoff From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Mar 20 12:34:41 1995 From: gaw-a@ugrad.cs.york.ac.uk Message-Id: >From: gaw-a@minster.york.ac.uk (Mars Bar) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 11:43:02 +0000 In-Reply-To: Ian.Collier -- "Re: ok... so I'm thick" (Mar 20, 11:57am) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92 (ORBIT)) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: ok... so I'm thick Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 375 Lines: 11 On Mar 20, 11:57am in "Re: ok... so I'm thick", you warbled: ] You already could. You were the one that posted the SMTP hack, remember? Yeah... but that's not really legal (pretending to be someone else is against the computer misuse act). Whereas just mailing as yourself and telling the list to unsubscribe someone else is a bit too easy. Oh well... Geoff From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Mar 20 13:01:06 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: The End Of An Ear-Ache (Heard that before?) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 11:17:42 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <4167.9503201003@sun.aston.ac.uk> from "goringgn" at Mar 20, 95 10:03:11 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2251 Lines: 44 > Well, due to the fact that I am terminally crap at my Uni course, and that the > bastards that be will probably not let me change courses I am shagged indeedy. > > For this reason I have decided to give you all FIVE DAYS to think up sad and > heart-rending messages to make me fell even worse about leaving Aston Uni. I shouldn't worry too much -- the place is a dump ;) > I guess this is the end of all my chatterings with you, but for one thing. > > A saviour is within out midst (stupid word that) and his name is... (heavenly > angels sing and la la la a bit whilst strumming on harps and looking basically > like smug gits who know THEY'VE got an eternity of peace to look forward to > (if no decent music (Hell has all the best composers))) > > Ooh, um, Simon Cooke. As soon as simon has this darned Termite thing working I > fully intend to get myself a copy and a dial-up connection (15 pounds > registration, 10 pounds per month) and a Modem I intend to spend the occasional > evening chatting with you all. So for christ's sake drop any idea of posting > sodding massive binaries here or my phone bill will explode through the roof. Cooo!... I'll get the bloody thing finished then... just been up to my earholes in work that's all. May I recommend a Gemini interface to make things go even more smoothly? :) > Um, anyway, I'll be around for five more days and then that is it for a while, > maybe even eternity. I hope to see most of you at the show, I'll be the guy > crying in the corner bleeding profusely at the wrists. Okay... see you then thenn > Love and hugs and stuff (within reason) to all of you and looking forward to all > the "And he was such a nice bloke, we shall miss him...} posts. Ta-ra for now. > > Graham / Anonimity Smith (coming out the closet about that embarrassing little skeleton) Take care man... Simon -- +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) ----+ | Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK | | Tel: +44 1942 886084 Fax: +44 1942 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc -------------------------------------+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Mar 20 13:01:51 1995 From: gaw-a@ugrad.cs.york.ac.uk Message-Id: >From: gaw-a@minster.york.ac.uk (Mars Bar) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 11:47:41 +0000 In-Reply-To: goringgn -- "The End Of An Ear-Ache (Heard that before?)" (Mar 20, 10:03am) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92 (ORBIT)) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: The End Of An Ear-Ache (Heard that before?) Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1336 Lines: 37 On Mar 20, 10:03am in "The End Of An Ear-Ache (Heard that before?)", Graham warbled: ] Hello me old maties! Hello. ] Well, due to the fact that I am terminally crap at my Uni course, and that the ] bastards that be will probably not let me change courses I am shagged indeedy. Tried switching uni's? Really, do have a go. Ask another uni to let you take another course. Explain that you hated the course at Aston, that you weren't happy there, that you were abused as a child etc etc etc. Worked for a friend of mine. He quit Chemistry at Durham and is now doing Compsci/Philosophy (!!) at Kent. ] For this reason I have decided to give you all FIVE DAYS to think up sad and ] heart-rending messages to make me fell even worse about leaving Aston Uni. Don't give up!!!! ] Love and hugs and stuff (within reason) (awww, I was enjoying that :) :)) Seriously, don't just decide that because Aston don't like you nobody will have you. You may end up somewhere that isn't quite as prestigious (sp?) but at the end of the day a degree is a degree. Better than not having one at all. This has been a student counselling message from your local representative of the "I've been to so many damn counselling sessions recently I can just about do it myself" brigade... Take care, anyway... Geoff From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Mar 20 13:34:56 1995 From: David Zambonini To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 13:27:47 GMT Subject: Re: The End Of An Ear-Ache (Heard that before?) Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <124264F09C2@physx1s.cf.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 504 Lines: 13 Sob. Such a sad, heart-rending tale. I also will probably never be heard from again from about a weeks' time onwards (can you say 'I'd like a career with an Internet connection, please.'?). Still, there's always Gloucester...... :) Oh, and since I didn't much like the looks of the demo on FRED for that left to right scrolly thingy, I'm returning to my original concept for Greylight of a left to right scrolly shoot em up.. of ARCADE quality. Don't hold your breath.... ;) DMZ === From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Mar 20 13:56:11 1995 From: goringgn Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 13:48:07 GMT Message-Id: <4927.9503201348@sun.aston.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: The End Of An Ear-Ache (Heard that before?) X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 653 Lines: 27 > Sob. Such a sad, heart-rending tale. Why? Is there an epidemic > I also will probably never be heard from again from about a weeks' > time onwards (can you say 'I'd like a career with an Internet > connection, please.'?). Nope. > Still, there's always Gloucester...... :) T'is true. > Oh, and since I didn't much like the looks of the demo on FRED for > that left to right scrolly thingy, I'm returning to my original > concept for Greylight of a left to right scrolly shoot em up.. of > ARCADE quality. Don't hold your breath.... ;) Good advice, we don't want any deaths on our hands. > DMZ > === > Graham From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Mar 20 14:14:38 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: eraadr@scs.leeds.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 14:01:08 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <9503201058.AA00663@booth5.ecs.ox.ac.uk> from "Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk" at Mar 20, 95 11:58:23 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 783 Lines: 18 > > On Sun, 19 Mar 1995 10:11:33 +0000, Mars Bar said: > > telnet sabre-wolf.nvg.unit.no 25 > > helo scs.leeds.ac.uk ( this can actually be anything, almost all machines don't care...) > > I've found that many do care, because they already know who you are and they > get suspicious if you pretend to be someone else. /But/ some machines don't do a reverse IP check, so they can't tell... depends on how well set up they are.. Simon -- +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) ----+ | Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK | | Tel: +44 1942 886084 Fax: +44 1942 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc -------------------------------------+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Mar 20 14:15:31 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: The End Of An Ear-Ache (Heard that before?) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 14:13:57 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <124264F09C2@physx1s.cf.ac.uk> from "David Zambonini" at Mar 20, 95 01:27:47 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 627 Lines: 14 > Oh, and since I didn't much like the looks of the demo on FRED for > that left to right scrolly thingy, I'm returning to my original > concept for Greylight of a left to right scrolly shoot em up.. of > ARCADE quality. Don't hold your breath.... ;) And what demo was this??? :) Simon -- +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) ----+ | Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK | | Tel: +44 1942 886084 Fax: +44 1942 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc -------------------------------------+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Mar 20 16:03:46 1995 Message-Id: <9503201508.AA02037@lis10.causeway.qub.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: HELLO\?\?\? Date: Mon, 20 Mar 95 15:08:43 EST From: Creature Feature! *PHART* Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 348 Lines: 8 Is there anybody out there???? /> u9350276@qub.ac.uk ( //---------------------------------------------------\ (*OXOXOXOXO(*>========R=o=n=a=n==T=h=e==B=a=r=b=a=r=i=a=n==========> ( \\---------------------------------------------------/ \> Belfast, N. Ireland From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Mar 20 16:04:11 1995 From: goringgn Date: Mon, 20 Mar 95 15:47:24 GMT Message-Id: <5865.9503201547@sun.aston.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: The End Of An Ear-Ache (Heard that before?) Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2112 Lines: 56 On some date, god knows when, Marsbar said... > On Mar 20, 10:03am in "The End Of An Ear-Ache (Heard that before?)", Graham warbled: > ] Hello me old maties! > > Hello. > > ] Well, due to the fact that I am terminally crap at my Uni course, and that the > ] bastards that be will probably not let me change courses I am shagged indeedy. > > Tried switching uni's? Really, do have a go. Ask another uni to let you > take another course. Explain that you hated the course at Aston, that you > weren't happy there, that you were abused as a child etc etc etc. > > Worked for a friend of mine. He quit Chemistry at Durham and is now > doing Compsci/Philosophy (!!) at Kent. I thought of this, Wolverhampton had a computer science course which included computer graphics, but to be perfectly honest it was really skimmed over. And since computer graphics is something I want to move into (despite being a bit, um, poo at them). I only came to Uni for the Net Access to be honest. Bad thing to say I know but I think it's true. > ] For this reason I have decided to give you all FIVE DAYS to think up sad and > ] heart-rending messages to make me fell even worse about leaving Aston Uni. > > Don't give up!!!! Now I think about it, it's not really giving up. I think I'd prefer not to have the hassles of university life, it'd be easier to seek my fortune doing something else. > ] Love and hugs and stuff (within reason) > > (awww, I was enjoying that :) :)) Tough! I ran out of KY jelly. > Seriously, don't just decide that because Aston don't like you nobody > will have you. You may end up somewhere that isn't quite as prestigious (sp?) > but at the end of the day a degree is a degree. Better than not having > one at all. Depends if the degree is relevent to the job you are going for. > This has been a student counselling message from your local representative > of the "I've been to so many damn counselling sessions recently I can > just about do it myself" brigade... > > Take care, anyway... I will. I suppose. > Geoff Graham From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Mar 20 16:06:42 1995 From: frodet@www1.cern.ch (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9503201536.AA11337@wwwlab.cern.ch> Subject: Re: HELLO\?\?\? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 16:36:12 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <9503201508.AA02037@lis10.causeway.qub.ac.uk> from "Creature Feature! *PHART*" at Mar 20, 95 03:08:43 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 89 Lines: 6 > > Is there anybody out there???? > Is this a philosophical question? -Frode From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Mar 20 16:42:03 1995 From: Nigel J Kettlewell Message-Id: <5297.199503201553@stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: The End Of An Ear-Ache (Heard that before?) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 15:53:12 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <5865.9503201547@sun.aston.ac.uk> from "goringgn" at Mar 20, 95 15:47:24 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1146 Lines: 29 > I thought of this, Wolverhampton had a computer science course which included > computer graphics, but to be perfectly honest it was really skimmed over. > And since computer graphics is something I want to move into (despite being > a bit, um, poo at them). I only came to Uni for the Net Access to be honest. > Bad thing to say I know but I think it's true. "only came to Uni for the Net Access"? What the hell are you on? What about the social life, the chance to meet new people from all over the country (not to mention the world), the experience of living away from home, the independence, the cheap beer... the list is endless! Sort your life out. > > Seriously, don't just decide that because Aston don't like you nobody > > will have you. You may end up somewhere that isn't quite as prestigious (sp?) > > but at the end of the day a degree is a degree. Better than not having > > one at all. > > Depends if the degree is relevent to the job you are going for. But if you don't get the job you're going for then having a degree in your pocket might be something you find useful. > Graham > Nige From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Mar 21 12:20:57 1995 From: "Doore, Dan [MIS]" To: sam-users Subject: RE: HELLO\?\?\? Date: Mon, 20 Mar 95 16:25:00 PST Message-Id: <2F6E1D35@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 14 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 250 Lines: 14 > Subject: HELLO\?\?\? > Is there anybody out there???? Just nod if you can hear me, It there anyone at home? imc - did you get your basic prog working alright? Graham - will write to you in a bit :) Ronan - CUT THE SIG! ;) Dan. From imc Tue Mar 21 12:24:31 1995 Subject: RE: HELLO\?\?\? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 21 Mar 95 12:24:31 GMT In-Reply-To: <2F6E1D35@courier.lmu.ac.uk>; from "Doore, Dan [MIS]" at Mar 20, 95 4:25 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 501 Lines: 13 On Mon, 20 Mar 95 16:25:00 PST, Doore, Dan [MIS] said: > imc - did you get your basic prog working alright? I did give a report about this saying basically that it does work but if you type CLEAR you trigger a bug and have to press BREAK, type a command, then press BREAK again in order to fix it. However, I'm still waiting for someone to give me the exact prices of (a) MasterDOS (b) the Sam ROM source code. Or if someone can give me Betasoft's phone number I'll ask myself. imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Mar 21 12:56:38 1995 From: goringgn Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 17:36:54 GMT Message-Id: <7311.9503201736@sun.aston.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: The End Of An Ear-Ache (Heard that before?) X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1657 Lines: 40 > > I thought of this, Wolverhampton had a computer science course which included > > computer graphics, but to be perfectly honest it was really skimmed over. > > And since computer graphics is something I want to move into (despite being > > a bit, um, poo at them). I only came to Uni for the Net Access to be honest. > > Bad thing to say I know but I think it's true. > > "only came to Uni for the Net Access"? What the hell are you on? What about > the social life, the chance to meet new people from all over the country > (not to mention the world), the experience of living away from home, the > independence, the cheap beer... the list is endless! > > Sort your life out. Hey Nige, I don't have a goddam life! I am quite happy being a sad little goit. > > > Seriously, don't just decide that because Aston don't like you nobody > > > will have you. You may end up somewhere that isn't quite as prestigious (sp?) > > > but at the end of the day a degree is a degree. Better than not having > > > one at all. > > > > Depends if the degree is relevent to the job you are going for. > > But if you don't get the job you're going for then having a degree in your > pocket might be something you find useful. Not for the job I had in mind. Besides lets stop this talk of my leaving. I have (in the true bloody-mindedness of my family) decided to stay at Uni, get next months grant, get a 1k student loan and live happily ever after. I don't know, an entire thread and I just invalidated it all by being indecisive. Actually, should I quit. Um, er... HELP! > > Graham > > > > Nige > > Graham - again From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Mar 21 13:00:20 1995 From: "Doore, Dan [MIS]" To: sam-users Subject: GZIP For DOS? Date: Tue, 21 Mar 95 12:22:00 PST Message-Id: <2F6F35E5@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 16 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 335 Lines: 16 Can anyone tell me if: a) I can get GZIP for dos/windows. b) where from. 'cos it's driving me mental having to ftp files between 3 areas just to unzip the bloody things. One other question, what is a .1 extension in unix terms, I presume it's some sort of packer.... Go ahead unix pods, make my day. Dan Doore From imc Tue Mar 21 13:08:56 1995 Subject: Re: GZIP For DOS? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 21 Mar 95 13:08:56 GMT In-Reply-To: <2F6F35E5@courier.lmu.ac.uk>; from "Doore, Dan [MIS]" at Mar 21, 95 12:22 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 1054 Lines: 32 On Tue, 21 Mar 95 12:22:00 PST, Doore, Dan [MIS] said: > Can anyone tell me if: > a) I can get GZIP for dos/windows. Yes (DOS certainly, don't know about Windows). > b) where from. unix.hensa.ac.uk reports the following... /sunsite/pub/Linux/utils/compress/.cap/gzip-1.2.4.msdos.exe.gz /uunet/pub/archiving/zip/MSDOS/gzip124.exe /uunet/systems/gnu/gzip-1.2.4.msdos.exe Take your pick... > One other question, what is a .1 extension in unix terms, I presume > it's some sort of packer.... ".1" means a manual page in section 1. Typically man pages come in two forms; one is plain text (stored in .../man/cat[1-8]) and the other is troff format (stored in .../man/man[1-8]). *roff is a typesetter which takes an input text containing commands and outputs a file suitable for an appropriate output device. The commands generally are in the form of a dot followed by one or more letters. The command "nroff -man" converts a troff-format man page into a format which is suitable for displaying on a terminal. imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Mar 21 15:12:21 1995 From: "Doore, Dan [MIS]" To: sam-users Subject: RE: HELLO?????? Date: Tue, 21 Mar 95 15:04:00 PST Message-Id: <2F6F5BBB@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 16 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 396 Lines: 16 > However, I'm still waiting for someone to give me the exact prices of > (a) MasterDOS (b) the Sam ROM source code. Or if someone can give me > Betasoft's phone number I'll ask myself. If: 24 Wyche Avenue, Kings Heath, Birmingham, B14 6LQ Is BetaSoft's address then directory enquiries don't have a number for it, MasterDOS is UKP15.99 (last time I looked) Dan. > imc > From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Mar 21 16:26:15 1995 From: David Zambonini To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 15:52:57 GMT Subject: Re: The End Of An Ear-Ache (Heard that before?) Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <2AD9A3675@physx1s.cf.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 508 Lines: 15 DMZ> Oh, and since I didnt much like the looks of the demo on FRED for DMZ> that left to right scrolly thingy, I'm returning to my original DMZ> concept for Greylight of a left to right scrolly shoot em up..of DMZ> ARCADE quality. Don't hold your breath.... ;) SC> And what demo was this??? :) Errrrmmmm... errrmmmm.. oops! Sorry. I have absolutely no idea what I'm talking about... :) Has everybody chosen their national lottery numbers yet? I was amused, anyway... DMZ === From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 22 15:04:40 1995 Message-Id: <9503220950.AA03120@bot31.causeway.qub.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: HELLO Date: Wed, 22 Mar 95 09:50:30 EST From: Creature Feature! *PHART* Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 569 Lines: 22 Am I off the list or is everyone??? I don't seem to be getting any mail from sam-list at all! :( Not wanting to sound paranoid but, IS IT JUST ME??????? Who cares anyway! :) If you all get this then please tell me! THANX! Adios! /> u9350276@qub.ac.uk ( //---------------------------------------------------\ (*OXOXOXOXO(*>========R=o=n=a=n==T=h=e==B=a=r=b=a=r=i=a=n==========> ( \\---------------------------------------------------/ \> Belfast, N. Ireland From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 22 15:17:50 1995 From: Tim Paveley Message-Id: <5499.9503221036@titian.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Subject: Sam<->Arc Screen Reader. (Was: Re: The End....) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 10:36:03 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <7311.9503201736@sun.aston.ac.uk> from "goringgn" at Mar 20, 95 05:36:54 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1037 Lines: 28 To Quote goringgn : > I don't know, an entire thread and I just invalidated it all by being > indecisive. Actually, should I quit. Um, er... HELP! > Graham - again Oh well, just as I was about to write a nice message too! Don't quit, you may as well stay on until the end of the year, nothing to lose in doing so. At then you can claim the rest of the grant, and no doubt if you left now, the gits would try and claim half of it back again. Oh, and just to be cryptic and confuse everyone else, EGGBuM is now finished. (slight lie) It's just waiting for my mate to get his Arc so we can do some decent sprites. but the game is all there, and playable, and debugged. Incidently, I seem to remember talk of an Arc<->Sam Screen Convertor. Does this exist, and where can I get it from, it would save having to go via .BMP format which I appear to be stuck with at the moment. Tim ....@/ -- Tim Paveley - University of Southampton Sam Coupe Web Pages: http://whig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~tsp93/Coupe/home.html From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 22 15:21:41 1995 From: goringgn Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 15:12:01 GMT Message-Id: <20145.9503221512@sun.aston.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: HELLO X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 86 Lines: 4 Yes you have been banned for having an annoying sig file. We are sorry. Graham From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 22 15:23:40 1995 From: frodet@www1.cern.ch (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9503221515.AA14425@wwwlab.cern.ch> Subject: Re: Sam<->Arc Screen Reader. (Was: Re: The End....) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 16:15:17 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <5499.9503221036@titian.ecs.soton.ac.uk> from "Tim Paveley" at Mar 22, 95 10:36:03 am Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 762 Lines: 25 > Oh, and just to be cryptic and confuse everyone else, EGGBuM is now finished. Escape from Great Gobbling Boobies Under the Moon? > It's just waiting for my mate to get his Arc so we can do some decent sprites. > but the game is all there, and playable, and debugged. Can't you do sprite on the SAM? Won't get any higher resolution anyway :) > > Incidently, I seem to remember talk of an Arc<->Sam Screen Convertor. Does this > exist, and where can I get it from, it would save having to go via .BMP format > which I appear to be stuck with at the moment. LI of The Lords probably made such a thing a long, long time ago. We are probably talking in the 80's ;) > > Tim ....@/ Tim, your lines are too long... Cheers -Frode From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 22 15:28:06 1995 From: Johnathan Taylor Date: 21 Mar 95 03:02:11 +0000 Subject: ok... so I'm thick Message-Id: <9ce_9503220643@centron.com> Organization: CC-NET BBS To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1665 Lines: 44 On (19 Mar 95) gaw-a@ugrad.cs.york.ac.uk wrote to All... > From: gaw-a@ugrad.cs.york.ac.uk > Date: Sun, 19 Mar 1995 15:49:29 +0000 > On Mar 19, 4:16pm in "Re: ok... so I'm thick", you warbled: > ] Why do it simple when you can do it difficultly: > ] > ] unsubscribe sam-users mc8189@mclink.it > You mean you could unsubscribe me that easily? Or vice versa? > Hmmm. Sounds a little iffy to me. Methinks someone should fix that > software... There's no risk of anyone being inadvertantly chucked off by someone else as such requests are NOT acted upon, instead they're forwarded to Arnt who has the required privi's to authourise it. Anyone trying what you're worried about would probably risk being chuck'd off the list, and probably could even be prosicuted for illegal accesss! > Geoff BTW I know about the safe-gaurd from when I swapped over from jet@centron.com subscription to SAM-LIST@pheonix.centron.com or whatever it is now:-) BTW2 The same security measures also come into play with susbcribing a different FQDN to your own too. So you cannot shove sam-users down someone elses throat without Arnt's intervention. Johnathan. Oh and if you fake your ID to that of the persons you're wanting to screw then the MajorDomo Results reply will return back to the person your pretending to be and warn them of impending trouble, so they can restore their status quo with minimum hassles and possibly start procedings to trace the fraud's true ID -- |Fidonet: Johnathan Taylor 2:2501/307.9 |Internet: jet@centron.com | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 22 15:32:53 1995 From: Johnathan Taylor Date: 21 Mar 95 03:24:14 +0000 Subject: SAM Coupe Technical Manual Message-Id: <9cf_9503220643@centron.com> Organization: CC-NET BBS To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 3197 Lines: 78 On (20 Mar 95) simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk wrote to All... sc> From: Simon Cooke sc> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 08:51:04 +0000 (GMT) sc> 15, 95 02:03:24 am > upload it to a FTP site but not to the list itself, last time I remeber > you tried attaching a UUE to a message to the list it never apeared, > probably got filtered out by majordomo! > I don't think I've got anything that'll read Word 6 format properly so > how about ASCII text and ANSI drawings;-) sc> Okay... ASCII text is in there, as is post-script as well, and it's now sc> in the "incoming" directory. unfortunately, the diagrams aren't in the sc> ASCII version... sorry... Are these Sam-related files that are being uploaded to nvg being attached to the list as sam-users MajorDomo requestable files or will I have to use ftpmail and ls my way to them? > Johnathan. > PS did you get the little ZIP from our fileserv here with info on Class2 > fax transport? > I've got alot more (entire C source to QL QFAX and encode/decode support > utils) sc> Nope... any chance that you could send me a disk in the post? Ok, What 3.5"DSDD format would you like? available choices are ProDos or MSDOS I'll not send it Native format as it's too much hassle getting it all to native mode! s > Oh yes, and can you give me your address again? I've got a Comms I'll include it with the discs;-) s > Interface design I want you to mull over -- 2 interfaces on the one s > board, both taking up 1 IO space, with programmable interrupts and s > switchable RIng input.. uses the 2692 (big brother to the 2691). I'm s > calling it the Gemini. Not built it yet though. Guess it'll cost atbou 40 s > quid to buy from me, and that's not making a profit. DYK that there's a Daddy version 2694! yep 4 UARTS on one chip! 2692 has a nice timeout feature that can be handy in an interupt based system using interupt on FIFO-full;-) I assume you're designing it around the 40pin 2692??? The way I see it MPI/O pins should be somthing along these lines... OP0 -> /RTS flow-control chnl A OP1 -> /RTS " " " B OP2 -> /DTR OP3 -> /DTR OP4 - OP7 could go to some glue logic to allow Zilog vectored IM2 interupts directly to the buses /INT. That'd reduce interupt overheads;-) TTL solution can be pirated from the Tatung Einstein Schematic I've got or a proper 8259 plus /IORQ OR'd with /M1 to provide /INTACK could be used. IP0 <- /CTS flow-control chnl A IP1 <- /CTS " " " B IP2 <- Timer input may be useful else where so save it for future IP3 <- /DSR input for chnl A allows MODEM signal change to stick in Bit7 IPCR which is useful for FAX session protection. IP4 - IP6 /DSRB,/DCDA & /DCDB Reason for DSR to use as connect state is that it should remain active during momentary losses of carrier during normal DATA use and in between the phases of FAX carrier speed changes. Whilst DCD may change state whilst the connection is still ok. -- |Fidonet: Johnathan Taylor 2:2501/307.9 |Internet: jet@centron.com | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 22 15:40:35 1995 From: Tim Paveley Message-Id: <12239.9503221534@cezanne.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Sam<->Arc Screen Reader. (Was: Re: The End....) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 15:34:46 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <9503221515.AA14425@wwwlab.cern.ch> from "Frode Tenneboe" at Mar 22, 95 04:15:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 527 Lines: 19 To Quote Frode Tenneboe : > Escape from Great Gobbling Boobies Under the Moon? Close :-) > Can't you do sprite on the SAM? Won't get any higher resolution anyway :) Ah, but it's a fair sized thing (the logo) and I don't want to use Flash. > Tim, your lines are too long... Sorry! My word-wrap has died so I'm trying to judge by eye, they should all be less than 80chars though, I'll just make them even less in future. (now, why am I in a nice complient mood?) > Cheers > -Frode Anytime Tim .....@/ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 22 15:41:02 1995 From: frodet@www1.cern.ch (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9503221516.AA14450@wwwlab.cern.ch> Subject: Re: HELLO To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 16:16:35 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <9503220950.AA03120@bot31.causeway.qub.ac.uk> from "Creature Feature! *PHART*" at Mar 22, 95 09:50:30 am Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 312 Lines: 13 > > Am I off the list or is everyone??? > > I don't seem to be getting any mail from sam-list at all! :( > > Not wanting to sound paranoid but, IS IT JUST ME??????? > Actually, he is off the list. Did anybody do the SMTP-stunt on him? The next question is, do we tell him? ;) Cheers -Frode From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 22 15:41:41 1995 From: "Doore, Dan [MIS]" To: sam-users Subject: RE: HELLO Date: Wed, 22 Mar 95 15:12:00 PST Message-Id: <2F70B022@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 10 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 110 Lines: 10 > Not wanting to sound paranoid but, IS IT JUST ME??????? Your paranoid. I'm busy. SeeYa Dan. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 22 15:46:49 1995 From: goringgn Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 15:34:15 GMT Message-Id: <20190.9503221534@sun.aston.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam<->Arc Screen Reader. (Was: Re: The End....) X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1291 Lines: 40 > To Quote goringgn : > > I don't know, an entire thread and I just invalidated it all by being > > indecisive. Actually, should I quit. Um, er... HELP! > > Graham - again > > Oh well, just as I was about to write a nice message too! Tough! > Don't quit, you may as well stay on until the end of the year, nothing to lose > in doing so. At then you can claim the rest of the grant, and no doubt if you > left now, the gits would try and claim half of it back again. I am not quitting. I am going to get a student loan for 1k, and never pay it back! > Oh, and just to be cryptic and confuse everyone else, EGGBuM is now finished. Yay! > (slight lie) Bugger. > It's just waiting for my mate to get his Arc so we can do some decent sprites. > but the game is all there, and playable, and debugged. Goooood. > Incidently, I seem to remember talk of an Arc<->Sam Screen Convertor. Does this > exist, and where can I get it from, it would save having to go via .BMP format > which I appear to be stuck with at the moment. Ha ha! My mate Petey wrote one which convert sprite files (like you do on paint etc). It's quite good. And does pretty good approximations of the colours from the Arch. I will snail-mail you a copy. > Tim ....@/ Graham From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 22 15:52:44 1995 From: frodet@www1.cern.ch (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9503221539.AA14747@wwwlab.cern.ch> Subject: Re: Sam<->Arc Screen Reader. (Was: Re: The End....) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 16:39:24 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <12239.9503221534@cezanne.ecs.soton.ac.uk> from "Tim Paveley" at Mar 22, 95 03:34:46 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 601 Lines: 22 > > Escape from Great Gobbling Boobies Under the Moon? > Close :-) *sigh* Then I have no more suggestions. > > > Can't you do sprite on the SAM? Won't get any higher resolution anyway :) > Ah, but it's a fair sized thing (the logo) and I don't want to use Flash. How about PLOT, DRAW, PEN, etc.? :) > > > Tim, your lines are too long... > Sorry! My word-wrap has died so I'm trying to judge by eye, they should > all be less than 80chars though, I'll just make them even less in future. > > (now, why am I in a nice complient mood?) Much obliged.....:-) Cheers -Frode From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 22 16:03:34 1995 From: "Doore, Dan [MIS]" To: sam-users Subject: Re: HELLO Date: Wed, 22 Mar 95 15:47:00 PST Message-Id: <2F70B745@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 11 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 185 Lines: 11 > Actually, he is off the list. Did anybody do the SMTP-stunt > on him? The next question is, do we tell him? ;) Nah, it's too much fun >;->> Dan. > Cheers > -Frode > From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 22 16:40:50 1995 From: Tim Paveley Message-Id: <12907.9503221608@cezanne.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Sam<->Arc Screen Reader. (Was: Re: The End....) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 16:08:25 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <9503221539.AA14747@wwwlab.cern.ch> from "Frode Tenneboe" at Mar 22, 95 04:39:24 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 960 Lines: 23 To Quote Frode Tenneboe : > > > Can't you do sprite on the SAM? Won't get any higher resolution anyway :) > > Ah, but it's a fair sized thing (the logo) and I don't want to use Flash. > How about PLOT, DRAW, PEN, etc.? :) :cough, splutter As powerful, and manipulative as those commands are, I still feel that they are not flexible enough. I was just going to directly poke the screen memory our design, but for some reason my partner did not agree to this "hi-tech" design method, and wants to show his new arc off to me when he returns from his Easter Hols. Graham> In return for the ARC<->Sam Screen Reader, If you want I'll send you a 'beta-test' version for you to play over Easter! Playable as hell, it'll just be missing some graphics and I'll probably slap a "This Version Licensed To: GNG" in the middle of the screen. Mail me if you want it (probably ZIPPED then UUENCODED) > Much obliged.....:-) My Pleasure Tim ...@/ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Mar 23 11:25:31 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Well, scratch that then... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no (Sam Users Mailing List) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 11:20:37 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 398 Lines: 8 FTP server is down atm.. will try to upload it when possible. Simon -- +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) ----+ | Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK | | Tel: +44 1942 886084 Fax: +44 1942 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc -------------------------------------+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Mar 23 11:40:16 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: GEMINI COMMS BOARD To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no (Sam Users Mailing List) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 11:14:52 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1302 Lines: 30 Rightyho guys... In the incoming directory of ftp.nvg.unit.no, there is a schematic diagram for the Entropy GEMINI comms board. LEGAL NOTICE: The schematic diagram is for users of this mailing list ***ONLY*** and may not be copied, or otherwise used by any other persons. You may build yourself a Gemini if you wish, but this is a commercial product and as such I am giving you the privelege to build your own *before* the actual interface is released. If I find any other comms interface appearing with very similar features (especially from the Bob Brenchley end of things), then I will track down who told who what, and I will (a) prosecute them, and I will (b) stop working on the SAM altogether, as I'm about to sink a lot of my own money into hardware production. Again: this is a privelege, not a right. Sorry about that folks, but it had to be done -- if only to stop people from taking advantage of me in the future. Simon -- +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) ----+ | Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK | | Tel: +44 1942 886084 Fax: +44 1942 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc -------------------------------------+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Mar 23 13:34:54 1995 From: frodet@www1.cern.ch (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9503231309.AA26805@wwwlab.cern.ch> Subject: Re: Sam<->Arc Screen Reader. (Was: Re: The End....) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 14:09:29 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <12907.9503221608@cezanne.ecs.soton.ac.uk> from "Tim Paveley" at Mar 22, 95 04:08:25 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 655 Lines: 18 > As powerful, and manipulative as those commands are, I still feel that > they are not flexible enough. I was just going to directly poke the > screen memory our design, but for some reason my partner did not agree > to this "hi-tech" design method, and wants to show his new arc off to > me when he returns from his Easter Hols. Not flexible enough???? There is nothing you can't do with PLOT, DRAW, PEN, etc. that you can do with a high-end art-package. And there is even a FILL command. What more can you ask for? ;-) > > Much obliged.....:-) > My Pleasure Ah! Good...your pleasure is my pleasure. :) Your (and mine) -Frode From imc Thu Mar 23 15:36:13 1995 Subject: Driver To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 23 Mar 95 15:36:13 GMT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 182 Lines: 6 Remember all those years back when someone asked for Steve Taylor's articles from FRED about programming for Driver? Well I've just put them in /pub/sam-coupe/incoming. imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Mar 23 17:35:31 1995 Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 16:49:05 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <7654@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Braille displays X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 283 Lines: 11 Jonathan, its not shorthand at all, its Braille! Grade 2, what you call shorthand is the most used form simply because it is smaller. Books would be HUGE if grade 1 was used, and even grade 1 has shortforms for FOR THE AND WITH and OF. Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Mar 23 17:36:34 1995 Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 16:58:31 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <7655@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: RE: HELLO?????? X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 179 Lines: 8 Yjr pm;y Andy Wright number I have is 021 443 4620 but not tried it in a year or so so you might get an old lady out of bed if he moved! Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Mar 24 12:05:08 1995 From: frodet@www1.cern.ch (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9503241202.AA12454@wwwlab.cern.ch> Subject: Re: FTP Site Down? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 13:02:18 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: from "Simon Cooke" at Mar 24, 95 10:24:38 am Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 179 Lines: 12 > > I think the NVG ftp site is down.. I can't get a connect anyway... > > Any idea what's up? Just checked - nothing wrong. Janet? ;) > > Simon Cheers -Frode From imc Fri Mar 24 12:06:23 1995 Subject: Re: FTP Site Down? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 24 Mar 95 12:06:23 GMT In-Reply-To: <9503241202.AA12454@wwwlab.cern.ch>; from "Frode Tenneboe" at Mar 24, 95 1:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 165 Lines: 6 On Fri, 24 Mar 1995 13:02:18 +0100 (MET), Frode Tenneboe said: > Just checked - nothing wrong. Janet? ;) No it's not her fault as I can ftp no problem. imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Mar 24 12:07:35 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: FTP back up... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no (Sam Users Mailing List) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 12:03:43 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 694 Lines: 20 Okay.. I'm putting up the Gemini schematics now... they're in INCOMING, in the file gemini.zip Simon ps Post-script files suitable for photo-etching pcbs are coming soon... (annoying legal bit) note again: this is just for YOUR use. If I catch anyone knocking these out commercially, I will be *VERY* annoyed. (annoying legal warning bit over) -- +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) ----+ | Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK | | Tel: +44 1942 886084 Fax: +44 1942 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc -------------------------------------+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Mar 24 12:15:28 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: FTP Site Down? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no (Sam Users Mailing List) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 10:24:38 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 426 Lines: 10 I think the NVG ftp site is down.. I can't get a connect anyway... Any idea what's up? Simon -- +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) ----+ | Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK | | Tel: +44 1942 886084 Fax: +44 1942 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc -------------------------------------+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Mar 24 12:15:29 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Driver To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 09:45:10 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <9503231536.AA03419@booth15.ecs.ox.ac.uk> from "Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk" at Mar 23, 95 04:36:13 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 551 Lines: 14 > Remember all those years back when someone asked for Steve Taylor's > articles from FRED about programming for Driver? > > Well I've just put them in /pub/sam-coupe/incoming. Cheers Ian, you're a star :) Simon -- +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) ----+ | Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK | | Tel: +44 1942 886084 Fax: +44 1942 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc -------------------------------------+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Mar 24 13:14:12 1995 From: "Doore, Dan [MIS]" To: sam-users Cc: simonc Subject: RE: FTP Site Down? Date: Fri, 24 Mar 95 13:07:00 PST Message-Id: <2F7334D5@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 13 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 259 Lines: 13 > I think the NVG ftp site is down.. I can't get a connect anyway... > > Any idea what's up? I had a patch of this where I couldn't connect for ages and then it all sorted out as if by magic. Mysterious stuff this ftp :) Dan Doore. > Simon From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Mar 24 13:39:40 1995 Message-Id: <9503241335.AA11080@dxmint.cern.ch> From: Allan Skillman (Dr Kid) Subject: Re: Driver To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 24 Mar 95 14:35:07 MET In-Reply-To: ; from "Simon Cooke" at Mar 24, 95 9:45 am Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 337 Lines: 14 > > > Remember all those years back when someone asked for Steve Taylor's > > articles from FRED about programming for Driver? > > > > Well I've just put them in /pub/sam-coupe/incoming. > > Cheers Ian, you're a star :) > > Simon I'll second that. Time for everybody to go off and write an application now! Allan -- From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sat Mar 25 14:13:32 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: FTP Site Down? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 14:13:14 +0000 (GMT) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <9503241202.AA12454@wwwlab.cern.ch> from "Frode Tenneboe" at Mar 24, 95 01:02:18 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 533 Lines: 14 > > Any idea what's up? > > Just checked - nothing wrong. Janet? ;) Nope -- we're on Internet direct to Imperial College London... More likely a slow network causing timeouts at my end... Simon -- +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) ----+ | Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK | | Tel: +44 1942 886084 Fax: +44 1942 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc -------------------------------------+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Mar 27 10:34:47 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Sooo.... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no (Sam Users Mailing List) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 10:34:35 +0100 (BST) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 394 Lines: 8 Anyone downloaded the Gemini design yet and taken a look? Simon -- +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) ----+ | Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK | | Tel: +44 1942 886084 Fax: +44 1942 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc -------------------------------------+ From imc Mon Mar 27 11:20:32 1995 Subject: Re: Sooo.... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 27 Mar 95 11:20:32 BST In-Reply-To: ; from "Simon Cooke" at Mar 27, 95 10:34 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 240 Lines: 9 On Mon, 27 Mar 1995 10:34:35 +0100 (BST), Simon Cooke said: > Anyone downloaded the Gemini design yet and taken a look? Yes. What of it?... imc PS The separate diagram showing all the decoupling capacitors together is cute... From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Mar 27 12:22:12 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Sooo.... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 11:59:42 +0100 (BST) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <9503271020.AA01148@booth5.ecs.ox.ac.uk> from "Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk" at Mar 27, 95 12:20:33 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 827 Lines: 21 > On Mon, 27 Mar 1995 10:34:35 +0100 (BST), Simon Cooke said: > > Anyone downloaded the Gemini design yet and taken a look? > > Yes. What of it?... Just wondering if anybody could see any bugs in it, that's all.. There shouldn't be any, but there might... thus is hardware design :) > PS The separate diagram showing all the decoupling capacitors together is > cute... And also highly necessary; the pcb software uses that to put the decoupling capacitors on the board.. Simon -- +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) ----+ | Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK | | Tel: +44 1942 886084 Fax: +44 1942 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc -------------------------------------+ From imc Mon Mar 27 12:27:31 1995 Subject: Re: Sooo.... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 27 Mar 95 12:27:31 BST In-Reply-To: ; from "Simon Cooke" at Mar 27, 95 11:59 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 853 Lines: 22 On Mon, 27 Mar 1995 11:59:42 +0100 (BST), Simon Cooke said: > Just wondering if anybody could see any bugs in it, that's all.. > There shouldn't be any, but there might... thus is hardware design :) Well I don't have an IC catalogue in front of me, so it's hard to tell. However, I think the use of A0, A1 and A2 only is a bit dubious... > > PS The separate diagram showing all the decoupling capacitors together is > > cute... > And also highly necessary; the pcb software uses that to put the > decoupling capacitors on the board.. But does it know *where* to put them? PCB software? Isn't that cheating? ;-) imc PS How is this board different from any other interface such as the one my brother has attached to his Sam? Or perhaps you regard it as being essential to have two serial ports rather than just the one... From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Mar 27 13:30:39 1995 From: frodet@www1.cern.ch (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9503271224.AA02129@wwwlab.cern.ch> Subject: Re: Sooo.... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 14:24:55 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: from "Simon Cooke" at Mar 27, 95 11:59:42 am Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 784 Lines: 25 > > > On Mon, 27 Mar 1995 10:34:35 +0100 (BST), Simon Cooke said: > > > Anyone downloaded the Gemini design yet and taken a look? > > > > Yes. What of it?... > > Just wondering if anybody could see any bugs in it, that's all.. > There shouldn't be any, but there might... thus is hardware design :) Haven't got my big reference book here, and I was curious what an UA1489 is :) > > > PS The separate diagram showing all the decoupling capacitors together is > > cute... > > And also highly necessary; the pcb software uses that to put the > decoupling capacitors on the board.. uh? What are you using? Autotrex, Orcad? -- Frode Tenneboe, ECP/PT, CERN, CH-1211 Geneva 23, Switzerland frodet@www.cern.ch http://www.himolde.no/~frodet From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Mar 27 14:35:44 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Sooo.... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 14:23:28 +0100 (BST) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <9503271127.AA01372@booth5.ecs.ox.ac.uk> from "Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk" at Mar 27, 95 01:27:31 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1527 Lines: 37 > > Well I don't have an IC catalogue in front of me, so it's hard to tell. > However, I think the use of A0, A1 and A2 only is a bit dubious... In what way? you've lost me there... > > And also highly necessary; the pcb software uses that to put the > > decoupling capacitors on the board.. > > But does it know *where* to put them? It has a heuristic component placing algorithm.... and I just stick one for each IC to get rid of some of the SAM's annoying noise problems. > PCB software? Isn't that cheating? ;-) Well, yeah, but I have to do the file writes manually with a small magnet and a compass, so it evens out a bit :) > imc > > PS How is this board different from any other interface such as the one > my brother has attached to his Sam? Or perhaps you regard it as being > essential to have two serial ports rather than just the one... Nope -- not that. This board has programmable interrupts, makes up for the fact that the clock currently takes up one of the serial ports by only taking up one base port for two sockets, and also has *all* of the modem control lines. A lot of them are pretty much essential for BBS software. Simon -- +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) ----+ | Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK | | Tel: +44 1942 886084 Fax: +44 1942 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc -------------------------------------+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Mar 27 15:07:17 1995 From: "Doore, Dan [MIS]" To: sam-users Subject: Strange Sounds Date: Mon, 27 Mar 95 14:48:00 PST Message-Id: <2F773298@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 12 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 428 Lines: 12 For some reason (I think this may have to do with the 'dirty' sam power supply) but when I move, say, an inverse line up and down the screen the pitch of the noise on my speakers rises and falls - in fact when the house is quiet you can get some good tunes out of it :)) I've lost the mail that said what breed of capacitor is needed (or whatever) to sort this problem out, can somebody fill me in? Dan Doore. From imc Mon Mar 27 15:16:41 1995 Subject: Re: Sooo.... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 27 Mar 95 15:16:41 BST In-Reply-To: ; from "Simon Cooke" at Mar 27, 95 2:23 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 506 Lines: 14 On Mon, 27 Mar 1995 14:23:28 +0100 (BST), Simon Cooke said: > > Well I don't have an IC catalogue in front of me, so it's hard to tell. > > However, I think the use of A0, A1 and A2 only is a bit dubious... > In what way? you've lost me there... In that by not checking A3-A7 you are using up 32 different ports instead of just one. I don't know what a 74LS138 is at this precise moment, but should you be using A0-A2 anyway? (as most of ports 248-254 are used by the Sam already). imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Mar 27 15:42:31 1995 Message-Id: <9503271431.AA04732@lis10.causeway.qub.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: hello Date: Mon, 27 Mar 95 15:31:45 EDT From: Creature Feature! *PHART* Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 478 Lines: 13 Is there anybody out there???????? I bet I'm gonna get about a million mail messages over easter! I know it! Please tell me that you are there first!!! /> u9350276@qub.ac.uk ( //---------------------------------------------------\ (*OXOXOXOXO(*>========R=o=n=a=n==T=h=e==B=a=r=b=a=r=i=a=n==========> ( \\---------------------------------------------------/ \> Belfast, N. Ireland From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Mar 28 09:16:52 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Sooo.... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 09:14:14 +0100 (BST) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <9503271416.AA02501@booth5.ecs.ox.ac.uk> from "Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk" at Mar 27, 95 04:16:41 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 851 Lines: 20 > > In what way? you've lost me there... > > In that by not checking A3-A7 you are using up 32 different ports instead of > just one. > > I don't know what a 74LS138 is at this precise moment, but should you > be using A0-A2 anyway? (as most of ports 248-254 are used by the Sam > already). Ah, but it decodes the PRINTL line as well -- that automagically goes low on any IO access in the 232-239 range... Thus, you don't need any other address lines -- the ASIC has already decoded them for me. Simon -- +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) ----+ | Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK | | Tel: +44 1942 886084 Fax: +44 1942 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc -------------------------------------+ From imc Tue Mar 28 11:05:08 1995 Subject: Re: Sooo.... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 28 Mar 95 11:05:08 BST In-Reply-To: ; from "Simon Cooke" at Mar 28, 95 9:14 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 481 Lines: 12 On Tue, 28 Mar 1995 09:14:14 +0100 (BST), Simon Cooke said: > Ah, but it decodes the PRINTL line as well -- that automagically goes low > on any IO access in the 232-239 range... Ah. I suppose all these strange lines on the edge connector will be explained in your technical manual, will they? I can't see them described anywhere else. Incidentally, the Sam manual claims that A22 is not connected, while you claim it is something called XINTL. What gives? imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 29 17:07:27 1995 From: "Doore, Dan [MIS]" To: sam-users Subject: Files on nvg Date: Wed, 29 Mar 95 17:01:00 PST Message-Id: <2F79F4BD@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 30 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1071 Lines: 30 I was having a browse in the incoming dir at nvg yesterday and I downloaded two files, rgb_1.td0 and rgb_2.td0, made the images in teledisk and did a quick directory of it with the sdisk utility. Hmmm. Lots of files prefixed by 'Sex' and 'Girl'.. Hmmmm. A quick jaunt homewards and a swift F9 revealed that I had just downloaded what can only be described as hard core porn images. I have nothing to say regarding The Great Porn debate so to me it makes no odds, but what is nvg's policy on explicit material, it says 'All transfers are logged' when you connect so is the person who uploaded them breaking regulations? Incidentally, when was the last time the /pub/sam-coupe/incoming dir sorted out as it could well do with it, besides, I thought you weren't allowed to download from incoming dirs anyway (is this right?) The reason all this has come to light is that I have uploaded three of my PD discs to nvg, if anybody fancies a look. Dan Doore. P.S. A bit quiet on the sam-users front today, or have I been 'Ronaned'? ;) From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Mar 29 17:45:06 1995 From: frodet@www1.cern.ch (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9503291618.AA17026@wwwlab.cern.ch> Subject: Re: Files on nvg To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 18:18:41 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: <2F79F4BD@courier.lmu.ac.uk> from "Doore, Dan [MIS]" at Mar 29, 95 05:01:00 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2595 Lines: 67 > > > I was having a browse in the incoming dir at nvg yesterday and I downloaded > two files, rgb_1.td0 and rgb_2.td0, made the images in teledisk and did a > quick > directory of it with the sdisk utility. > > Hmmm. > > Lots of files prefixed by 'Sex' and 'Girl'.. > > Hmmmm. > > A quick jaunt homewards and a swift F9 revealed that I had just downloaded > what can only be described as hard core porn images. I have nothing to say > regarding The Great Porn debate so to me it makes no odds, but what is nvg's > policy on explicit material, it says 'All transfers are logged' when you > connect > so is the person who uploaded them breaking regulations? No. But you might be breaking UK law :) I have not seen the images myself (explanation follows), but if they only contain pictures of sexual intercourse of one sort or another, this is perfectly legal to store at nvg. The only illegal pictures are those with minors perforing sexual activities. (This has been verified with Norwegian authorities). However, UK law is quite ..eh...conservative, is that the right word? Virtually nothing is legal when it comes to 'erotic' pictures. That probably means that som 100s of UK newsservers are illegal as they probably transports alt.binaries.picture.erotica (or something similar). I'm not judging anything, just following nvg-recomondations. > Incidentally, when was the last time the /pub/sam-coupe/incoming dir sorted > out as it could well do with it, besides, I thought you weren't allowed to > download > from incoming dirs anyway (is this right?) The last time can be found out by checking the date of the oldest file :) Actually, I'm in charge of it, but at the time beeing I'm in Switzerland/France without access to my SAM, so I have no means of cathegorizing the files. It will take another 4 months before I'm back in business again (hopefully). Until that time, be patient with me. I gave notice about this fact (and about incoming beeing readable for the world) just before christmas. Please bear with me. In the mean time, if people can inform me where particular files belong, I'd be happy to move them. > The reason all this has come to light is that I have uploaded three of my > PD discs to nvg, if anybody fancies a look. Goody. > Dan Doore. > > P.S. A bit quiet on the sam-users front today, or have I been 'Ronaned'? ;) Heheh...no, just quiet. -Frode -- Frode Tenneboe, ECP/PT, CERN, CH-1211 Geneva 23, Switzerland frodet@www.cern.ch http://www.himolde.no/~frodet From imc Wed Mar 29 18:00:20 1995 Subject: Re: Files on nvg To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 29 Mar 95 18:00:20 BST In-Reply-To: <9503291618.AA17026@wwwlab.cern.ch>; from "Frode Tenneboe" at Mar 29, 95 6:18 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 1387 Lines: 31 On Wed, 29 Mar 1995 18:18:41 +0200 (MET DST), Frode Tenneboe said: > However, UK law is quite ..eh...conservative, is that the right word? > Virtually nothing is legal when it comes to 'erotic' pictures. And they want to make the law more restrictive. Rediculous... > That > probably means that som 100s of UK newsservers are illegal as they > probably transports alt.binaries.picture.erotica (or something similar). I think I'm right in saying that all newsfeeds at academic institutions are censored by ukc and are therefore not illegal [though the odd one occasionally pops through for some reason]. Sites fed by Pipex are probably not censored, however. > Please bear with me. In the mean time, if people can inform > me where particular files belong, I'd be happy to move them. Well last time I uploaded samtools.tar.gz I seem to remember saying that it replaces /pub/sam-coupe/misc/sun/samtools.tar.gz, so there's no excuse there. :-) Also, since driver-instructions.txt is a text file, you should be able to decide where to put that (and whether to compress it if you like). There doesn't seem to be a docs directory in /pub/sam-coupe - perhaps it's time for one. gemini.zip is a postscript doc containing Simon's designs, so that could go in the doc directory as well. imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Mar 31 13:28:05 1995 From: frodet@www1.cern.ch (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9503311213.AA22056@wwwlab.cern.ch> Subject: Re: Files on nvg To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 14:13:27 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: <9503291700.AA17548@booth5.ecs.ox.ac.uk> from "Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk" at Mar 29, 95 07:00:21 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1439 Lines: 41 > > probably means that som 100s of UK newsservers are illegal as they > > probably transports alt.binaries.picture.erotica (or something similar). > > I think I'm right in saying that all newsfeeds at academic institutions > are censored by ukc and are therefore not illegal [though the odd one > occasionally pops through for some reason]. Sites fed by Pipex are > probably not censored, however. Well, even if they _are_ censored by something, BUT slips a nude image through on say....alt.talk.pets - it wouls still be illegal for that school to store that image, right? > Well last time I uploaded samtools.tar.gz I seem to remember saying that > it replaces /pub/sam-coupe/misc/sun/samtools.tar.gz, so there's no excuse > there. :-) Hum..can't remember that one... :| > Also, since driver-instructions.txt is a text file, you should be able > to decide where to put that (and whether to compress it if you like). > There doesn't seem to be a docs directory in /pub/sam-coupe - perhaps > it's time for one. Good idea.../pub/sam-coupe/docs created. > > gemini.zip is a postscript doc containing Simon's designs, so that could > go in the doc directory as well. Put there together with coupe.zip. Anything else needed to be cleand up? > > imc > -Frode -- Frode Tenneboe, ECP/PT, CERN, CH-1211 Geneva 23, Switzerland frodet@www.cern.ch http://www.himolde.no/~frodet From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Mar 31 14:50:31 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Sooo.... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 14:43:41 +0100 (BST) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <9503281005.AA03765@booth5.ecs.ox.ac.uk> from "Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk" at Mar 28, 95 12:05:09 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1114 Lines: 27 > > On Tue, 28 Mar 1995 09:14:14 +0100 (BST), Simon Cooke said: > > Ah, but it decodes the PRINTL line as well -- that automagically goes low > > on any IO access in the 232-239 range... > > Ah. I suppose all these strange lines on the edge connector will be > explained in your technical manual, will they? I can't see them described > anywhere else. They are explained in the normal technical manual!!!! PRINTL is a standard line... > Incidentally, the Sam manual claims that A22 is not connected, while you > claim it is something called XINTL. What gives? You must have a *VERY* odd manual. XINTL was formerly known as MSEINTL (mouse interrupt line), but is used on the SAM /now/ (ie 1990 onwards) as the Comms or eXternal Interrupt Line... Simon -- +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) ----+ | Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK | | Tel: +44 1942 886084 Fax: +44 1942 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc -------------------------------------+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Mar 31 15:25:15 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Sooo.... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 14:45:58 +0100 (BST) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <9503271224.AA02129@wwwlab.cern.ch> from "Frode Tenneboe" at Mar 27, 95 02:24:55 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 980 Lines: 24 > > Just wondering if anybody could see any bugs in it, that's all.. > > There shouldn't be any, but there might... thus is hardware design :) > > Haven't got my big reference book here, and I was curious what > an UA1489 is :) It's a quad RS232 line receiver (I think... unless that's the 1488, in which case it's a quad RS232 line /driver/) > > And also highly necessary; the pcb software uses that to put the > > decoupling capacitors on the board.. > > uh? What are you using? Autotrex, Orcad? Protel For Windows... smashing program. I'm a great fan of protel's stuff - have been ever since I used it at SAMCo... Simon -- +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) ----+ | Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK | | Tel: +44 1942 886084 Fax: +44 1942 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc -------------------------------------+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Mar 31 15:28:00 1995 From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk Subject: Sooo.... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 14:55:18 +0100 (WET DST) In-Reply-To: <9503231536.AA03419@booth15.ecs.ox.ac.uk> from "Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk" at Mar 23, 95 04:36:13 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Message-Id: <9503311355.aa03970@almaren.ee.surrey.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 494 Lines: 15 I would very much like to look at the gemini diagram, but.... I can't unzip the damned thing! I haven't got the command 'unzip' and 'gunzip' just blurts "gunzip: gemini.gz has more than one entry -- unchanged" at me. Can anyone help me? (It's going to have to wait until after easter anyhow.) Just as a matter of interest: the latest E+WW has a very simple 16C84 PIC programmer - which could easily be modified for the SAM. But is anybody interested in PIC chips? -Andrew From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Mar 31 15:36:38 1995 From: frodet@www1.cern.ch (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9503311426.AA22426@wwwlab.cern.ch> Subject: Re: Sooo.... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 16:26:23 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: <9503311355.aa03970@almaren.ee.surrey.ac.uk> from "ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk" at Mar 31, 95 02:55:18 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 624 Lines: 21 > > I would very much like to look at the gemini diagram, but.... > I can't unzip the damned thing! > > I haven't got the command 'unzip' and 'gunzip' just blurts > "gunzip: gemini.gz has more than one entry -- unchanged" at me. > Can anyone help me? (It's going to have to wait until after > easter anyhow.) Hmm..this is my fault. I thought that everybody had either unzip for unix or pkunzip for PC, and zip'ed it. :( It's also there in .ps now. > -Andrew -Frode -- Frode Tenneboe, ECP/PT, CERN, CH-1211 Geneva 23, Switzerland frodet@www.cern.ch http://www.himolde.no/~frodet From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Mar 31 16:06:37 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Sooo.... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 15:53:19 +0100 (BST) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <9503311355.aa03970@almaren.ee.surrey.ac.uk> from "ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk" at Mar 31, 95 02:55:18 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 956 Lines: 24 > I can't unzip the damned thing! > > I haven't got the command 'unzip' and 'gunzip' just blurts > "gunzip: gemini.gz has more than one entry -- unchanged" at me. > Can anyone help me? (It's going to have to wait until after > easter anyhow.) Argh... well, it was done with the latest version of PKZIP.. (2.04g)... > Just as a matter of interest: the latest E+WW has a very > simple 16C84 PIC programmer - which could easily > be modified for the SAM. But is anybody interested > in PIC chips? Yeah... Martin and I have a couple -- we're working on a PC--> SAM keyboard interface using them :) Simon -- +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) ----+ | Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK | | Tel: +44 1942 886084 Fax: +44 1942 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc -------------------------------------+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Mar 31 16:31:15 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Sooo.... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 16:16:29 +0100 (BST) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <9503311426.AA22426@wwwlab.cern.ch> from "Frode Tenneboe" at Mar 31, 95 04:26:23 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 552 Lines: 13 > Hmm..this is my fault. I thought that everybody had either > unzip for unix or pkunzip for PC, and zip'ed it. :( > It's also there in .ps now. Is the text file in with it? That's the really important bit :) Simon -- +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) ----+ | Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK | | Tel: +44 1942 886084 Fax: +44 1942 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc -------------------------------------+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Mar 31 17:03:15 1995 From: "Doore, Dan [MIS]" To: sam-users Subject: Files on NVG Date: Fri, 31 Mar 95 16:50:00 PST Message-Id: <2F7CA40B@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 12 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 285 Lines: 12 Somebody put some files on nvg with a .lcb extension.. WHAT THE HELL ARE THEY! Both myself and Frode would like to know since: a) I want to use them b) Frode wants to move them somewhere better but since we don't know what they are it's a tad difficult. Dan Doore From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Mar 31 17:46:56 1995 From: frodet@www1.cern.ch (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9503311556.AA22753@wwwlab.cern.ch> Subject: Re: Sooo.... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 17:56:38 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: from "Simon Cooke" at Mar 31, 95 04:16:29 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 425 Lines: 19 > > > Hmm..this is my fault. I thought that everybody had either > > unzip for unix or pkunzip for PC, and zip'ed it. :( > > It's also there in .ps now. > > Is the text file in with it? That's the really important bit :) It's in the .zip-file ;) > > Simon > Ciao -Frode -- Frode Tenneboe, ECP/PT, CERN, CH-1211 Geneva 23, Switzerland frodet@www.cern.ch http://www.himolde.no/~frodet From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Mar 31 17:55:13 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Files on NVG To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 17:22:10 +0100 (BST) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <2F7CA40B@courier.lmu.ac.uk> from "Doore, Dan [MIS]" at Mar 31, 95 04:50:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 708 Lines: 20 > Somebody put some files on nvg with a .lcb extension.. > > WHAT THE HELL ARE THEY! > > Both myself and Frode would like to know since: > > a) I want to use them > b) Frode wants to move them somewhere better but since we don't know > what they are it's a tad difficult. They're files compressed with the library program in that UTILS pak archive... Simon -- +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) ----+ | Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK | | Tel: +44 1942 886084 Fax: +44 1942 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc -------------------------------------+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Mar 31 18:11:47 1995 From: frodet@www1.cern.ch (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9503311636.AA22835@wwwlab.cern.ch> Subject: Re: Files on NVG To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 18:36:01 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: from "Simon Cooke" at Mar 31, 95 05:22:10 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 654 Lines: 26 > > > Somebody put some files on nvg with a .lcb extension.. > > > > WHAT THE HELL ARE THEY! > > > > Both myself and Frode would like to know since: > > > > a) I want to use them > > b) Frode wants to move them somewhere better but since we don't know > > what they are it's a tad difficult. > > They're files compressed with the library program in that UTILS pak > archive... Errr...isn't that .pak/.ARC????? Some sort of accepted standard should be agreed upon. > > Simon Ciao -Frode -- Frode Tenneboe, ECP/PT, CERN, CH-1211 Geneva 23, Switzerland frodet@www.cern.ch http://www.himolde.no/~frodet From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Mar 31 20:35:54 1995 From: Lord Blackadder Message-Id: <9503311913.AA06084@bs47c.staffs.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no (SAM users mailing list.) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 20:13:15 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 88 Lines: 7 Happy Easter Everyone Speak to you all when I get back from my hols Lord B' From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Mar 31 21:26:28 1995 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 21:15:12 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <7760@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Teledisk unable? X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 557 Lines: 15 This is sort of Speccyish, but it may affect anyone using the same protection. Bettabytes DISCMATE won't copy with Teledisc . It appears to have 11 sectors on one track, one of which has an odd ID and is only 128 bytes long. When Teledisc tries to put that track on a new disc it gives an error. Then goes on and copies the rest. The disc then will not run as the protection swings in. I was trying it in case I corrupted it while playing with Z80! If any SAM software uses this dodge it too will not copy. Briam -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept.