From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sat Apr 1 09:12:03 1995 From: Johnathan Taylor Date: 01 Apr 95 03:50:16 +0000 Subject: Strange Sounds Message-Id: <3be_9504010418@centron.com> Organization: CC-NET BBS To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2351 Lines: 50 On (27 Mar 95) D.J.Doore@lmu.ac.uk wrote to All... D > From: "Doore, Dan [MIS]" D > Date: Mon, 27 Mar 95 14:48:00 PST D > For some reason (I think this may have to do with the 'dirty' sam power D > supply) D > but when I move, say, an inverse line up and down the screen the pitch of D > the D > noise on my speakers rises and falls - in fact when the house is quiet you D > can get some good tunes out of it :)) It's just the by-product of not having seperate logic and analogue supply rails in the sam... I find it reasuring actually! As when the machines doing Ramdisk or CPU intensive operations the changing backgound noises show the program is still working ok! It's when it goes quite when I start getting concerned;-) Though the particular example noise you mention may be due to the fact that the RGB DAC transistors M3,M4 & M5 don't include any decopling between them and the positive supply rail so the Video signal can be transposed onto the supply rail a 0.5mH choke in series with the collectors of those transistors shunted to 0V by 1uF and 0.1uF capacitors in parallel might reduce the video noise... D > I've lost the mail that said what breed of capacitor is needed (or D > whatever) to sort this problem out, can somebody fill me in? It's not any of the electrolytic cans as I replaced them all a long time ago with larger values when debugging the comms interface.. you could try replacing R53 and R54 that provide the current source for the SAA1099 outputs with somthing similar to that which feeds pin 6 of the sound chip... But is it really worth it? I don't think it will be really. I doubt that short of re-designing the layout to include a large ground-plane and using seperate digital and analogue supplies you'll never get rid of it.. The only other way I can think of that would work is to use a noise-gate, that basically shuts down all output until at least a pre-set signal level has been reached then the signal is allowed through in the hope that the wanted signal will mask the unwanted noise sufficiently... ... I'm too skeptical to deny the possibility of anything... -- |Fidonet: Johnathan Taylor 2:2501/307.9 |Internet: jet@centron.com | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sat Apr 1 17:29:15 1995 Date: Sat, 1 Apr 1995 18:15:25 +0200 X400-Originator: eraadr%scs.leeds.ac.uk@gps1.leeds.ac.uk X400-Recipients: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/;<15434.199504011615@csgi29.scs.l] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: Re: Teledisk ... From: eraadr@scs.leeds.ac.uk Message-Id: <15434.199504011615@csgi29.scs.leeds.ac.uk> To: sam-users Subject: Re: Teledisk unable? Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 886 Lines: 19 --------- Received message begins Here --------- > Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 21:15:12 GMT > From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) > > Bettabytes DISCMATE won't copy with Teledisc . It appears to > have 11 sectors on one track, one of which has an odd ID and is > only 128 bytes long. When Teledisc tries to put that track on a > new disc it gives an error. Then goes on and copies the rest. > The disc then will not run as the protection swings in. I was > trying it in case I corrupted it while playing with Z80! If any > SAM software uses this dodge it too will not copy. Exactly..., I had the same problem with the boot disk of Pro-DOS. I wanted to make a backup copy with Teledisk as it's very dangerous IMHO to be forced to use the original disk all the time for booting but Teledisk was unable to make a working copy of it. Cheers, Arne From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Apr 3 19:05:54 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Files on NVG To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 15:56:00 +0100 (BST) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <9503311636.AA22835@wwwlab.cern.ch> from "Frode Tenneboe" at Mar 31, 95 06:36:01 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 865 Lines: 20 > > They're files compressed with the library program in that UTILS pak > > archive... > > Errr...isn't that .pak/.ARC????? Some sort of accepted standard > should be agreed upon. No -- in this case, the files are library compressed ones -- take a look in the UTILS pack. You'll find three utilities -- one is the library file handler (I think it's similar to the CPM one), one is the ARC/PAK thing, there's the imploder (and the screen compressor) too... I assume that we're talking about the Coloris thing? Simon -- +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) ----+ | Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK | | Tel: +44 1942 886084 Fax: +44 1942 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc -------------------------------------+ From imc Tue Apr 4 17:51:25 1995 Subject: ROM bugs To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 4 Apr 95 17:51:25 BST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 747 Lines: 26 Here is another irritating one... the ON ERROR handling is absolutely APPALLING! Try this, for instance: 10 PRINT "Esc to exit" 20 ON ERROR GO TO 100 30 GET a$: PRINT a$;:GO TO 30 100 PRINT '"OK" Press Escape, and what happens. Break into program. At line 30. It didn't even *think* about going to 100. Compare this with "ON ERROR foo", where it does get to foo before being broken into again. In a large program I have the equivalent of: 10 INPUT "Enter a label name:";a$ 20 ON ERROR GO TO 100 30 LET a=VAL a$ 40 PRINT "OK":STOP 100 PRINT "That is not a valid label" and if you type anything that isn't a valid label it goes either "Not understood, 30:166" or "Missing DEF PROC, 30:1". What's the use? imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Apr 5 10:57:41 1995 From: frodet@www1.cern.ch (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9504050930.AA06355@wwwlab.cern.ch> Subject: Re: Files on NVG To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 11:30:55 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: from "Simon Cooke" at Apr 3, 95 03:56:00 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 877 Lines: 25 > > > > They're files compressed with the library program in that UTILS pak > > > archive... > > > > Errr...isn't that .pak/.ARC????? Some sort of accepted standard > > should be agreed upon. > > No -- in this case, the files are library compressed ones -- take a look > in the UTILS pack. You'll find three utilities -- one is the library file > handler (I think it's similar to the CPM one), one is the ARC/PAK thing, > there's the imploder (and the screen compressor) too... Huh! But do we _need_ to have this amount of compressing-packages? Which one is the better one? > > I assume that we're talking about the Coloris thing? No idea :) P.S.: Can we compile tar and gzip on the new C compiler comming up? ;) -- Frode Tenneboe, ECP/PT, CERN, CH-1211 Geneva 23, Switzerland frodet@www.cern.ch http://www.himolde.no/~frodet From imc Wed Apr 5 16:52:13 1995 Subject: Re: ROM bugs To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 5 Apr 95 16:52:13 BST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 2872 Lines: 67 I wrote: >Here is another irritating one... the ON ERROR handling is absolutely >APPALLING! Well fortunately I've sorted that one out rather quickly. 1. The difference between "GO TO 80" and "fred" is that "fred" is an instruction which calls a procedure and then terminates, whereas "GO TO 80" is an instruction which alters some system variables and then terminates (after that, the system interprets the system variables and goes to 80). In other words, there is a breakpoint between "GO TO 80" and line 80 but no breakpoint between "fred" and the first instruction of fred. ON ERROR GOTO 80 is useless for trapping Escape because when you press Escape an error occurs, it executes GO TO 80, and then even before it has thought about actually going to line 80 it reads the Escape key again and breaks in. ON ERROR fred is quite useful, however, because the first instruction of fred can disable the Escape key before the system gets another chance to read it. 2. When the ROM searches for the ON ERROR instruction after an error has occurred, it forgets to save the page number in CHADP. After that it seems that something somewhere is selecting page CHADP and thus blasting the ON ERROR statement away. Fortunately this can be fixed by installing a simple routine in CMDV which saves the current page in CHADP (at least I think so - I haven't noticed anything going wrong so far). imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Apr 6 06:08:22 1995 Return-Path: Received: from comlab.oxford.ac.uk (mail.comlab) by ecs.oxford.ac.uk (4.1/ecs.1) id AA19555; Thu, 6 Apr 95 06:08:21 BST Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk by comlab.oxford.ac.uk id AA18093; Thu, 6 Apr 95 06:07:42 +0100 Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <05728-0@oxmail.ox.ac.uk>; Thu, 6 Apr 1995 06:06:57 +0100 Received: (from bin@localhost) by sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no (8.6.10/8.6.9) id GAA05141 for sam-users-outgoing; Thu, 6 Apr 1995 06:52:56 +0200 Received: from bgserv.demon.co.uk (bgserv.demon.co.uk [158.152.24.236]) by sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA05136 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 1995 06:52:44 +0200 Date: Thu, 06 Apr 1995 05:08:04 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <7798@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Teledisk unable? X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 9 Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: OR Hold it a mo... I actually USE TELEDISK to make Pro-Dos Boot Discs! I reckon you must have a broken version of TEledisc! Its faster than the SAM software cos it formats as it goes. Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Apr 6 06:08:22 1995 Date: Thu, 06 Apr 1995 05:11:58 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <7799@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: ROM bugs X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 160 Lines: 7 Isnt the way to use on error as a procedure? I do know you can get some interesting results though... KEYIN can be fun too.... Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From imc Thu Apr 6 11:56:14 1995 Subject: Re: ROM bugs To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 6 Apr 95 11:56:14 BST In-Reply-To: <7799@bgserv.demon.co.uk>; from "Brian Gaff Sam Dept." at Apr 6, 95 5:11 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 368 Lines: 12 On Thu, 06 Apr 1995 05:11:58 GMT, Brian Gaff Sam Dept. said: > Isnt the way to use on error as a procedure? Eh?? > KEYIN can be fun too.... That it can. It completely destroys the edit-line (which means, basically, that you can't use it in a direct command or in a procedure called from the middle of a direct command). imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Apr 10 11:55:17 1995 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 12:51:13 +0200 (MET DST) From: Ben Versteeg To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-Id: <199504101051.MAA11142@charm.il.ft.hse.nl> X-Envelope-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.NO X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1005 Lines: 28 IMPORTANT MESSAGE !!! This message is from INNER hard- and software from Holland. As you may already have heard, INNER will produce the Ultimate Sound Device for SAM. It's called SamDac. It is a two channel (stereo) sound device which you'll have to connect to your parrallel port. I think the Sam is the only 8-bit computer at this moment which can directly play PC .mod files at 10.4 KHz. It sounds even better than my 16 bit 286 computer. The idea came from Stefan Drissen (better known as Solar Flare). He already made one, but I thought it could be done better. SamDac is delivered in a nice box, and with software from Solar Flare. The software can play .mod files up to 400 Kbytes directly from any Sam or MS-Dos (DD) disk. The SamDac comes with a two month garantue. The price will be only 25 Pounds including post&packiging. If you are interested, send 25 Pounds in a envelope to: INNER Holland Trompetstreet 42 6544 NE Nijmegen Holland I'll will send you your SamDac as soon as possible. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Apr 10 11:57:03 1995 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 12:53:35 +0200 (MET DST) From: Ben Versteeg To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-Id: <199504101053.MAA11237@charm.il.ft.hse.nl> X-Envelope-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.NO X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 121 Lines: 7 Addition to last mail !!! If you have any wuestions about SamDac, mail me at: ben@charm.il.ft.hse.nl Please do mail ! From imc Mon Apr 10 11:57:40 1995 Subject: Re: your mail To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 10 Apr 95 11:57:40 BST In-Reply-To: <199504101051.MAA11142@charm.il.ft.hse.nl>; from "Ben Versteeg" at Apr 10, 95 12:51 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 373 Lines: 10 On Mon, 10 Apr 1995 12:51:13 +0200 (MET DST), Ben Versteeg said: > As you may already have heard, INNER will produce the Ultimate Sound Device > for SAM. It's called SamDac. > It is a two channel (stereo) sound device which you'll have to connect to > your parrallel port. Forgive me for asking, but why do we need this when we already have the EDDAC and the Quazar? imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Apr 10 12:11:10 1995 From: "Doore, Dan [MIS]" To: sam-users Subject: Re: your mail Date: Mon, 10 Apr 95 12:06:00 PDT Message-Id: <2F89828B@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 26 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 698 Lines: 26 > On Mon, 10 Apr 1995 12:51:13 +0200 (MET DST), Ben Versteeg said: > > As you may already have heard, INNER will produce the Ultimate Sound Device > > for SAM. It's called SamDac. > > It is a two channel (stereo) sound device which you'll have to connect to > > your parrallel port. > > Forgive me for asking, but why do we need this when we already have the > EDDAC and the Quazar? It's UKP30 cheaper the Quazar, that I know. The EDDAC could only handle 7-bits per channel, so I presume SamDac suffers from the same problem... That one bit makes all the difference to me... Guess which one I'll be getting this easter :)))) Dan Doore P.S. Colin P - How's the Quazar coming along? > imc From imc Mon Apr 10 12:14:47 1995 Subject: Re: your mail To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 10 Apr 95 12:14:47 BST In-Reply-To: <2F89828B@courier.lmu.ac.uk>; from "Doore, Dan [MIS]" at Apr 10, 95 12:06 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 429 Lines: 10 On Mon, 10 Apr 95 12:06:00 PDT, Doore, Dan [MIS] said: > The EDDAC could only handle 7-bits per channel, so I presume SamDac suffers > from the same problem... As far as I know this is not strictly correct: it handles two channels at 8 bits each. The problem comes when you want to play 4 channels on it. Then the software will add together two of the channels at 7 bits each and play them on one of the EDDAC's channels. imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Apr 10 12:36:20 1995 From: "Doore, Dan [MIS]" To: sam-users Subject: RE: Sound Stuff Date: Mon, 10 Apr 95 12:32:00 PDT Message-Id: <2F898872@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 21 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 671 Lines: 21 > On Mon, 10 Apr 95 12:06:00 PDT, Doore, Dan [MIS] said: > > The EDDAC could only handle 7-bits per channel, so I presume SamDac suffers > > from the same problem... > > As far as I know this is not strictly correct: it handles two channels > at 8 bits each. The problem comes when you want to play 4 channels on it. > Then the software will add together two of the channels at 7 bits each and > play them on one of the EDDAC's channels. That's what I meant, I should have made it a bit clearer that I was talking in context of the MOD player software, as opposed to it's spec. Besides it's in 'real world' applications where this matters the most. Dan. > imc > From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Apr 10 13:23:19 1995 From: Colin G Piggot Date: Mon, 10 Apr 95 13:19:17 BST Message-Id: <6101.9504101219@pasta.st-andrews.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: your mail Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 635 Lines: 20 Dan Doore Said: > That one bit makes all the difference to me... Well, to me the extra 9 bits make the difference The Quazar Surround playing 16 bit (Yes 16 bit!) in 2 channels sounds totally AWESOME! And the Quazar surround will come with a Quazar only version of Stefan Drissen's MOD player, playing mods at 10.4 Khz 8 bit SURROUND (or STEREO if you only have two speakers) Quick summary of the Quazar Surround's modes of operation... Mode 1 : *SIX* channels, each 8 bit Mode 2 : *TWO* -== 16 bit channels ==- and two 8 bit channels, The Quazar Surround also has an expansion port for a stereo 8 bit sampler. Colin Piggot. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Apr 10 13:25:30 1995 From: Colin G Piggot Date: Mon, 10 Apr 95 13:22:11 BST Message-Id: <6150.9504101222@pasta.st-andrews.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: your mail Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 126 Lines: 8 Dan Doore Said: > P.S. Colin P - How's the Quazar coming along? Very well indeed, More news VERY soon...... Colin Piggot. From imc Mon Apr 10 13:25:59 1995 Subject: Re: your mail To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 10 Apr 95 13:25:59 BST In-Reply-To: <6101.9504101219@pasta.st-andrews.ac.uk>; from "Colin G Piggot" at Apr 10, 95 1:19 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 336 Lines: 10 On Mon, 10 Apr 95 13:19:17 BST, Colin G Piggot said: > Quick summary of the Quazar Surround's modes of operation... > > Mode 1 : *SIX* channels, each 8 bit > Mode 2 : *TWO* -== 16 bit channels ==- and two 8 bit channels, Since you can make 2 15-bit channels out of one 16-bit channel, it seems to me like mode 1 is redundant... imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Apr 10 13:36:36 1995 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 95 13:35:12 BST From: cmcneil@mcs.dundee.ac.uk (CAMPBELL) Message-Id: <9504101235.AA25249@pop.mcs.dundee.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: The Quazar surround. Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 947 Lines: 27 well, Hi folks , I'm new to this biz so bear with me. I live in St.Andrews, and am also friends with Colin Piggot. That means, I've heard this piece of kit, and I think it is safe to say that it is pretty much excellent. The 16 bit mode makes it really complete. I find that it is up there with all the top soundblaster card and an the equivellents on the pc. See what you are in for? If you want to ask for second opinion on things related to the sound card then feel free, I give you the honest truth..Ok folks. Better Sign off now though. Bye. Campbell. _____________________________________________________________________________ Campbell McNeill Dundee University Computer Science cmcneil@mcs.dundee.ac.uk http://www.mcs.dundee.ac.uk:8080/~cmcneil _____________________________________________________________________________ P.S. Whats the Lowdown on this Bob Brenchly character? From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Apr 10 13:39:40 1995 From: Colin G Piggot Date: Mon, 10 Apr 95 13:35:41 BST Message-Id: <6301.9504101235@pasta.st-andrews.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: your mail Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 248 Lines: 9 IMC Said: > Since you can make 2 15-bit channels out of one 16-bit channels, it seems > to me like mode 1 is redundant.. Well, i guess so, but mode 1 still has its uses, to save processor time when just playing many 8 bit samples. Colin Piggot. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Apr 10 13:49:26 1995 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 95 13:45:40 BST From: cmcneil@mcs.dundee.ac.uk (CAMPBELL) Message-Id: <9504101245.AA25323@pop.mcs.dundee.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: the Quazar Surround. Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 914 Lines: 33 Opps, it got clipped, Repeat mode. Well, Hi Folks, I'm new to this biz so bear with me. I live in St.Andrews, and I am also friends with Colin Piggot. That means I have heard this piece of kit and I think its safe to say that it most excellent. I find it is up there with all the best soundblaster and gravis sound cards that are twice its price for the pc. See what you are in for? If you want to ask for a second opinion on things related to this sound card the do not hesitate to ask. Better Sign off now. Cu. Campbell. _____________________________________________________________________________ Campbell McNeill Dundee University Computer Science cmcneil@mcs.dundee.ac.uk http://www.mcs.dundee.ac.uk:8080/~cmcneil _____________________________________________________________________________ P.S. Whats the Lowdown on this Bob Brenchly Character? From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Apr 11 14:34:33 1995 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 15:27:48 +0200 (MET DST) From: Ben Versteeg Subject: reply comments To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-Id: <199504111327.PAA10312@charm.il.ft.hse.nl> X-Envelope-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.NO X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 994 Lines: 28 Here's INNER again. I told you I am going to produce the SamDac. As far as I know, the software is able to play 2 channel 8-bit sound. Because you just have to plug it into your parrallel port, and the electronic parts are not too expensive, I cannot make something as cheap, with the possibilities as the Quasar. The SamDac is almost the same as Eddac, but I don't know if Eddac is delivered in a nice box or something. SamDac is (almost) professional built. Stefan Drissen (Solar Flare) made an Eddac himself, but it looked very, VERY amateuristic. Stefan will also delivere (with SamDac) some software to use SamDac sound in your own games or progs. So the only question left for me is if Eddac is also proffesional made. I don't mind any comment, so mail me ! Ben@charm.il.ft.hse.nl Or if you have any questions about the software: Stefan.drissen@tic.iaf.nl Stefan and a few others will visit the Sam users meeting in Gloster in a few weeks. Maybe I will also come with them. Bye ! From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Apr 11 23:11:04 1995 From: stefan.drissen@tic.iaf.nl Original-Received: by tic.iaf.nl id 0WXM2005 Tue, 11 Apr 95 23:26:35 -0600 Pp-Warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line Message-Id: <9504112326.0WXM200@tic.iaf.nl> Organization: Internet Connection BBS X-Mailer: TBBS/PIMP v3.11 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 95 23:26:35 -0600 Subject: NOISE! To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1513 Lines: 42 Hi there all, first of all I'd like to clear up the static around the SamDac, it is simply a very much tidied up Eddac. Whereas my Eddac looks a total mess and needs a bash around the resistors every now and again, the Samdac is in a nice black box, has a through port for the audio port and the circuitboard is a joy for the eyes. The reason Ben decided in the name change is that EDDAC had Edwin Blink's name fixed in it (ED) and thought the Samdac would be a more appropriate name for his redesign. Ian is of course correct in noting that the Samdac has two 8 bit channels. And Dan is even more correct in saying that it's what comes out that counts. For the 25 pounds you also get an Samdac (=Eddac) version of my brand spanking new SAM MOD player version 2.00. For a copy of the SAM MOD player version 2.00 you can also send me five pounds CASH or a Eurocheque for 10 guilders (payable to Stefan Drissen) or of course in cash. If you order the mod player from me then you also get a little bit of COMET source showing you how to use mods in your own code. For those of you attending the Gloucester show I will be bringing copies of the mod player and a few Samdacs along to sell. Any questions? Just (e)mail them to me.... In case you need to know my snail mail address to order a copy of the SAM MOD player then this is it: Stefan Drissen Zevende Herven 6 5232 JZ 's-Hertogenbosch The Netherlands So put that money in the mail..... Solar Flare of Entropy (aka Stefan.Drissen@tic.iaf.nl) From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Apr 13 14:23:37 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: <<>> To: matt@netmag.cityscape.co.uk (Matt Bielby), stefan.drissen@tic.iaf.nl (Stefan Drissen), briang@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff), hindlesd@helios.aston.ac.uk (Simon Hindle), johnk@infosys2.thegap.com (John Kennedy), rlonghurst@futurenet.co.uk (Richard Longhurst), mcscs3cgm@dct.ac.uk (Colin MacDonald), the-net@bbcnc.org.uk (The Net), cgp@st-andrews.ac.uk (Colin G Piggot), sam-users@nvg.unit.no (Sam Users Mailing List), genma@io.com (Genma Saotome), snouty@cix.compulink.co.uk (Phil South), taylor@fs5.ee.umist.ac.uk (Bob Taylor), frodet@ulke.hiMolde.no, frodet@nvg.unit.no, debkins@iies.ecn.purdue.edu (Deborah Lynn Williams), dwindera@cix.compulink.co.uk (Davey Winder), gaw-a@minster.york.ac.uk (Geoff Winkless), tanais@vixen.demon.co.uk (tanais fox) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 14:12:15 +0100 (BST) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 701 Lines: 16 Due to problems with the Jumper server (which I don't know the whole story behind at this time), my account may soon be drifting... The *ONLY* guaranteed (and it's not even that guaranteed) way of emailing me will be at the Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk address -- NOT the Simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk address. Sorry about this folks, but that's life I'm afraid... Cheers, Simon Cooke -- +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) ----+ | Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK | | Tel: +44 1942 886084 Fax: +44 1942 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc -------------------------------------+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Apr 14 22:28:59 1995 From: stefan.drissen@tic.iaf.nl Original-Received: by tic.iaf.nl id 0X1TT001 Fri, 14 Apr 95 23:31:35 -0600 Pp-Warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line Message-Id: <9504142331.0X1TT00@tic.iaf.nl> Organization: Internet Connection BBS X-Mailer: TBBS/PIMP v3.11 Date: Fri, 14 Apr 95 23:31:35 -0600 Subject: version 2.01 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 488 Lines: 14 Once again hello all! This is just an update on the specs of the SAM MOD player (now version 2.01). Tempo changes (Beats Per Minute) support has now been included!!! This increases the number of mods you can play properly quite considerably. Personally I never thought I'd see my SAM handling tempo changes due to the lack of processing power - so I came up with a neat trick which imitates the real thing rather nicely. L8R Solar Flare of Entropy (aka Stefan.Drissen@tic.iaf.nl) From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Apr 18 13:22:39 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: The Entropy Hard Drive To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no (Sam Users Mailing List) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 13:20:59 +0100 (BST) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2492 Lines: 62 Here's what Entropy will be bringing to the show (AFAIK): Stefan Drissen (Solar Flare): The all-singing all-dancing MOD player, and probably a few other things to boot... Colin Piggot (Megatron): The Quazar! Hear your SAM like you've never heard it before! Simon Cooke (Cookie): Termite - SAM Comms software The Entropy Hard Drive! E-DOS version 1.0 The MultiROM HominROMs (probably) Whatever else I can think up to bring News on the hard drive ====================== It's going splendidly... The current version of the interface is bugged (well, it was an early one anyway) so I've had to patch it to swizzle the data lines around for commands and status etc... Data reading/writing seems to be a little odd -- data gets corrupted if I just bang all the data across using OTIR, but if I check for the DRQ bit each time, the data goes in / comes out fine.... odd that... still looking into it. As for data access, I've started work on E-DOS, and it's 3/4 finished at the moment -- version 1.0 should be out for the show. Based on a MasterDOS framework kindly supplied by Dr. Andy Wright, E-DOS sports 20 character file names (with settings to allow directories to be limited to 10 chars if necessary), three types of disc backup (THIN, FAT1 and FAT2), the facility to use up to 4 hard drives... you can alter drives so that drive 1 is actually pointing to a file contained on the hard drive (a FAT2 style backup file)... New file types are: DRIVER APP Driver application DRIVER BOOT Driver application bootstrap DOS DOS file... used by HD system. SYSTEM SYSTEM file... for storing preferences DISK BACKUP THIN, FAT1 or FAT2 type backup files... MC Code file without starting address -- requires address to be given to allow loading -- used by MSDOS files when copied to EDOS disks... More to come? ============= Don't know yet... maybe. There /are/ more features, but I've forgotten them (gulp!) The DOS uses a 24-bit FAT, allowing up to 16Gb of hd space per drive... that's a theoretical maximum of 64Gb folks... Anyway, that's it for now... Cheers, Si Cooke -- +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) ----+ | Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK | | Tel: +44 1942 886084 Fax: +44 1942 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc -------------------------------------+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Apr 19 12:14:13 1995 From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk Subject: Re: Sooo.... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 12:08:12 +0100 (WET DST) In-Reply-To: from "Simon Cooke" at Mar 31, 95 03:53:19 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Message-Id: <9504191108.aa22686@almaren.ee.surrey.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1324 Lines: 36 > > Just as a matter of interest: the latest E+WW has a very > > simple 16C84 PIC programmer - which could easily > > be modified for the SAM. But is anybody interested > > in PIC chips? > > Yeah... Martin and I have a couple -- we're working on a PC--> SAM > keyboard interface using them :) > > Simon Well, good luck... I've just spent my easter building a PC keyboard interface, and it virtually works, but I've had to shelve it temporarily. It extends the reading of the keyboard port by a few wait cycles, which I assumed would be fine... but there are a few odd 'bugs'. Firstly, I found the title screen was corrupted - the 'P' on MGT PLC had a short bit on the bottom of the loop - seemed like one pixel rather than the three or so it should be. Sometimes the characters were corrupted more badly, but as soon as I started typing and it went to BASIC, every- thing was fine. Also, the disc just whirred - I can"t really see why this happened? Does the DOS read the status/keyboard ports much? I can't imagine it.. Another odd thing was that when it was in an even less working state, it would only crash the SAM after it had completed the screen flashing memory blanking sequence. Has anyone any ideas on these problems, please?! Also... how essential is it to include /M1 decoding for I/O ports? -Andrew From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Apr 19 12:18:38 1995 From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk Subject: gemini To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 12:15:34 +0100 (WET DST) In-Reply-To: from "Simon Cooke" at Mar 31, 95 03:53:19 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Message-Id: <9504191115.aa22874@almaren.ee.surrey.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 339 Lines: 12 Well, I've just managed to view the gemini circuit, and very nice it looks too. Two serial ports does seem a bit greedy though! It's just an idea, but do you think it would be worth adding a centronics port? You could do it with just two more ls chips, and a connector... It might save lots of people having to buy a two-up! -Andrew From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Apr 19 12:23:36 1995 From: Tim Paveley Message-Id: <4000.9504191120@picasso.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Subject: The Show...... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no (sam users mailing list) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 12:20:16 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 370 Lines: 16 Hello People! Just out of interest, who will actually be at the show? Perhaps with a brief description for those of us who don't know what anyone looks like. (Sorry but I refuse to wear a name badge!) Just so I know who to avoid like :-p Tim ....@/ -- Tim Paveley - University of Southampton Sam Coupe Web Pages: http://whig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~tsp93/Coupe/home.html From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Apr 19 12:27:51 1995 From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk Subject: gemini..... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 12:21:55 +0100 (WET DST) In-Reply-To: from "Simon Cooke" at Mar 31, 95 03:53:19 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Message-Id: <9504191122.aa22904@almaren.ee.surrey.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 58 Lines: 3 Oh, but I dont't like your squiggly resistors though! -A From imc Wed Apr 19 15:02:56 1995 Subject: Re: NOISE! To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 19 Apr 95 15:02:56 BST In-Reply-To: <9504112326.0WXM200@tic.iaf.nl>; from "stefan.drissen@tic.iaf.nl" at Apr 11, 95 11:26 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 505 Lines: 10 On Tue, 11 Apr 95 23:26:35 -0600, stefan.drissen@tic.iaf.nl said: > first of all I'd like to clear up the static around the SamDac, it is simply a > very much tidied up Eddac. Whereas my Eddac looks a total mess and needs a > bash around the resistors every now and again ... Well _yours_ might look like that. Now that I have rebuilt my brother's it is neat and tidy (well, if you look at it from the components side it is...) and I can't imagine it having any problem with the resistors at all. imc From imc Wed Apr 19 16:43:13 1995 Subject: Re: The Show...... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 19 Apr 95 16:43:13 BST In-Reply-To: <4000.9504191120@picasso.ecs.soton.ac.uk>; from "Tim Paveley" at Apr 19, 95 12:20 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 522 Lines: 17 On Wed, 19 Apr 1995 12:20:16 +0100 (BST), Tim Paveley said: > Just out of interest, who will actually be at the show? Well I will _not_ be going, as I will be in California instead. Interestingly, this three-way co-incidence (the other is the San Marino Grand Prix) also happened last year. My brother will be there though. > Perhaps with a brief description for those of us who don't > know what anyone looks like. > Just so I know who to avoid like :-p Well, um..., he's got one head, two arms and two legs... imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Apr 19 19:41:55 1995 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 19:24:01 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <7881@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: SamDac X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 227 Lines: 9 Hi there. So does this SAMDAC have an amplifier built in? If yes, why not have a lead that will amplify the sam Stero sound as well? I never did get enough interest to re launch the Samplifier. Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Apr 20 13:05:15 1995 Message-Id: <15305.9504201200@rs6-233.cls-4.bcc.ac.uk> Subject: Re: The Show...... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 13:00:19 +0100 (BST) From: Mr Keith Turner In-Reply-To: <4000.9504191120@picasso.ecs.soton.ac.uk> from "Tim Paveley" at Apr 19, 95 12:20:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 786 Lines: 20 > Just out of interest, who will actually be at the show? I'm hoping to be there. I'll be looking for a diskette drive or external drive adaptor and showing lots of interest in the hard-disk. Is it worth contacting Bob Brenchley beforehand to make sure he has a diskette drive or adaptor on his stall? Some of you might remember me from last time, as I was wandering round looking for Brian Gaff, and for information about DRiVER. I have long hair, facial fluff and a blue rucksack with luminous yellow trim. Other than that, it's the standard uniform of anorak, t-shirt and jeans. :) Please feel free to introduce yourself if you recognise me from my photo at http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ccaakrt/ / To: sam-users Subject: Problems all around... Date: Thu, 20 Apr 95 09:19:00 PDT Message-Id: <2F96D15D@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 22 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 609 Lines: 22 I've been having hassles with files that I have downloaded from nvg, mainly those in the Rumsoft .PAK/.ARC (or whatever extension it is this week) and the .LCB (Library) files. The .PAK ones always give 'BAD CHECKSUM' or just crash and the .LCB ones just die. When I download them the transfer is always binary and I'm lost as to why the buggers won't load. Another problem I have found is that DD floppies that were formatted under MSDOS *ALWAYS* develop disc errors when formatted on Sam, and these errors are intermittent (about 1 in 5), any suggestions? Dan Doore. P.S. Had a good easter chaps? From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Apr 20 14:45:26 1995 From: frodet@www1.cern.ch (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9504201338.AA03082@wwwlab.cern.ch> Subject: Re: Problems all around... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 15:38:15 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: <2F96D15D@courier.lmu.ac.uk> from "Doore, Dan [MIS]" at Apr 20, 95 09:19:00 am Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1114 Lines: 38 > > > I've been having hassles with files that I have downloaded from nvg, mainly > those > in the Rumsoft .PAK/.ARC (or whatever extension it is this week) and the > .LCB > (Library) files. > > The .PAK ones always give 'BAD CHECKSUM' or just crash and the .LCB ones > just die. > > When I download them the transfer is always binary and I'm lost as to why > the > buggers won't load. > > Another problem I have found is that DD floppies that were formatted under > MSDOS > *ALWAYS* develop disc errors when formatted on Sam, and these errors are > intermittent (about 1 in 5), any suggestions? The reason for all your problems can be (and most likely) a bad drive on your PC. > > Dan Doore. > > P.S. Had a good easter chaps? Jupp. Wonderfull. Paris is not all that crowded or hot at this time of year, and it's still snow in Chamonix and there are some beautiful castels on the road to Montraux. And everything is just delightfull when you are acompanied by your GF. :) -- Frode Tenneboe, ECP/PT, CERN, CH-1211 Geneva 23, Switzerland frodet@www.cern.ch http://www.himolde.no/~frodet From imc Thu Apr 20 16:10:51 1995 Subject: Re: Problems all around... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 20 Apr 95 16:10:51 BST In-Reply-To: <9504201338.AA03082@wwwlab.cern.ch>; from "Frode Tenneboe" at Apr 20, 95 3:38 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 590 Lines: 17 On Thu, 20 Apr 1995 15:38:15 +0200 (MET DST), Frode Tenneboe said: > > P.S. Had a good easter chaps? > > Jupp. Wonderfull. Paris [blah blah] Chamonix [blah] road to Montraux. Well my easter was moderately good, but in a couple of weeks when I've been to California and made the corrections to my thesis that the examiners require (examination finished 10 mins ago... phew...) then I'm sure everything will be wonderful! > everything is just delightfull when you are acompanied by your > GF. :) Well I wouldn't know about that. What do you like about Metafont output anyway? :-) imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Apr 20 16:40:42 1995 Message-Id: <6463.199504201501@rockall.cent.gla.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 16:01:30 +0100 X-Sender: 9264201e@pop-server.cent.gla.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: 9264201e@udcf.gla.ac.uk (Strongbow) Subject: Re: Problems all around... X-Mailer: Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 443 Lines: 15 Yo. Erm... I've been on this list for a coupla months now, and I haven't seen anything on this... ... How do you transfer SAM stuff (downloaded from nvg) from PC disc to SAM disc? I haven't been able to find anything in the way of instructions, so I can only turn to you lot! I can't go to the show; exams coming up too quickly!! Brenchley seems to have a knack of timing these shows so that I can't go. I'll get to one yet!!! Will. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Apr 20 16:49:36 1995 From: "Doore, Dan [MIS]" To: sam-users Subject: Re: Problems all around... Date: Thu, 20 Apr 95 16:45:00 PDT Message-Id: <2F96F2C4@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 16 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 445 Lines: 16 > ... How do you transfer SAM stuff (downloaded from nvg) from PC disc to SAM > disc? I haven't been able to find anything in the way of instructions, so I > can only turn to you lot! I use KE-Disk (written by our own Geoff Winkless) if it's just files and Teledisk2.12 for making disc images on the PC. It's in the README at nvg, I'm sure of it, if it isn't, it should be. KE-Disk and Teledisk are both on nvg, so get downloading! Dan. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Apr 20 17:04:41 1995 From: frodet@www1.cern.ch (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9504201601.AA03354@wwwlab.cern.ch> Subject: Re: Problems all around... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 18:01:41 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: <2F96F2C4@courier.lmu.ac.uk> from "Doore, Dan [MIS]" at Apr 20, 95 04:45:00 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 743 Lines: 30 > > > > ... How do you transfer SAM stuff (downloaded from nvg) from PC disc to > SAM > > disc? I haven't been able to find anything in the way of instructions, so > I > > can only turn to you lot! > > I use KE-Disk (written by our own Geoff Winkless) if it's just files > and Teledisk2.12 for making disc images on the PC. > > It's in the README at nvg, I'm sure of it, if it isn't, it should be. It is...except that it did not say where you could find it. It does now. > > KE-Disk and Teledisk are both on nvg, so get downloading! Teledisk too? It's on simtel sites, that's all I know. > > Dan. > > -- Frode Tenneboe, ECP/PT, CERN, CH-1211 Geneva 23, Switzerland frodet@www.cern.ch http://www.himolde.no/~frodet From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sat Apr 22 11:02:24 1995 Date: Sat, 22 Apr 1995 09:55:43 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <7921@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Termite trouble X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 387 Lines: 15 It has been pointed out to me that Termite is a copyrighted trade name of a comms package. For more information on TERMiTE, please feel free to visit our Web sites or Compuserve Forums at :- TERMiTE Web Page http://www.pixel.co.uk/pixel/ Compuserve forum - GO TERMiTE (72662,562) I guess we could use a Y in place of the I? Brian --- Potato free computers. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sat Apr 22 11:02:25 1995 Date: Sat, 22 Apr 1995 09:52:54 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <7920@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Problems all around... X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 119 Lines: 7 I am getting messages, so the problem is elsewhere, anyway, your message got through. Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sat Apr 22 20:52:00 1995 From: stefan.drissen@tic.iaf.nl Original-Received: by tic.iaf.nl id 0TG1E003 Sat, 22 Apr 95 20:57:37 -0600 Pp-Warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line Message-Id: <9504222057.0TG1E00@tic.iaf.nl> Organization: Internet Connection BBS X-Mailer: TBBS/PIMP v3.11 Date: Sat, 22 Apr 95 20:57:37 -0600 Subject: Me To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1383 Lines: 33 Hi all, just thought I'd let you know that I'll be in Gloucester. Here's how you can recognize me. I'll be the person either: a) trying to get hold of a SAM to demonstrate the new SAM MOD player on, or b) demonstrating the SAM MOD player. Since everybody seems to know what Cookie looks like (from spec tec junior) ask him who I am, I'm sure he'll be happy to point me out (if I'm not standing next to him that is). BTW, I'll also be bringing along a number of SAMDACs so bring along some extra cash (25 pounds) if you want one of these. I was thinking of wearing my red S.F. cap (you know, the San Francisco 49ers) but I'm not too much into the image of the typical American. Good one Ian! Why do you always need to take words so literally. I think you should get a prize for that. A bash around the resistors is a figure of speech. Just in case you want to know - one of the wires is a bit loose and I can't be stuffed heating up my soldering iron. As to you're SAMDAC looking all nice and tidy on the component side - well done, so does mine - it's the underside I'm worried about, it also was the first bit of electronics soldering I'd ever done in my life. If you buy a SAMDAC it's on a printed circuit board meaning no messy stuff on both sides! Have fun in California! Bye all - see you in Gloucester? Solar Flare of Entropy (aka Stefan.Drissen@tic.iaf.nl) From imc Sun Apr 23 12:24:06 1995 Subject: Re: Problems all around... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 23 Apr 95 12:24:06 BST In-Reply-To: <7920@bgserv.demon.co.uk>; from "Brian Gaff Sam Dept." at Apr 22, 95 9:52 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 524 Lines: 15 On Sat, 22 Apr 1995 09:52:54 GMT, Brian Gaff Sam Dept. said: > I am getting messages, so the problem is elsewhere, anyway, your > message got through. What message? Whoever it was it looks like it didn't get through to here... Change of subject... You may or may not have noticed that there is a Net.Legends page at http://www.cyberspace.com/chronos/netfame/legends.htm so why not pop along and have a look, and vote for our favourite Sinclair archive maintainer by mailing his name to chronos@cyberspace.com ... imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sun Apr 23 15:13:15 1995 From: frodet@www1.cern.ch (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9504231357.AA06925@wwwlab.cern.ch> Subject: Re: Me To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 15:57:50 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: <9504222057.0TG1E00@tic.iaf.nl> from "stefan.drissen@tic.iaf.nl" at Apr 22, 95 08:57:37 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 324 Lines: 14 > Bye all - see you in Gloucester? *sniff* I want to go to, but...*sniff* Nobody want's to come with me....*sob* > > Solar Flare of Entropy (aka Stefan.Drissen@tic.iaf.nl) -Frode (aka Frode) -- Frode Tenneboe, ECP/PT, CERN, CH-1211 Geneva 23, Switzerland frodet@www.cern.ch http://www.himolde.no/~frodet From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Apr 24 09:47:11 1995 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 10:40:51 +0200 (MET DST) From: Ben Versteeg To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-Id: <199504240840.KAA10416@charm.il.ft.hse.nl> X-Envelope-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.NO X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1141 Lines: 31 Hello, This is INNER. I was planning on going to Gloucester with Stefan Drissen (Solar Flare). But my financial budget did not allow me to. As told, Stefan will take about 15 SamDac's with him. I want to make clear that SamDac is only a two channel 8-bit device, as Eddac. I know that Eddac's schematic diagram is already in hands of many Sam users, but I was able to produce something like it (with the same chip-set) in a very nice box, and I just want Stefan to open one at Gloucester. If you are not able of going to Gloucester and you still want to have a SamDac afterwards, you can reach me at: ben@charm.il.ft.hse.nl Or just send 25 Pounds to: INNER Trompetstreet 42 6544 NE Nijmegen The Netherlands Please note your adres as well ! Somebody asked if SamDac has an internal amplifier. Well, it doesn't but Stefan also had the idea that a simple amplifier for Sam's chipsound and SamDac sound would be nice. If there is any interest, let me know. SamDac has a thru port for external devices (or for your lightgun .... ahum). Please mail me ! (I prefer mailing to my account, because I receive 80 mails per week). Bye for now ! From imc Mon Apr 24 10:46:27 1995 Subject: Re: The Entropy Hard Drive (fwd) -- DONT KNOW IF THIS GOT THROUGH LAST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 24 Apr 95 10:46:27 BST In-Reply-To: ; from "Simon Cooke" at Apr 24, 95 9:54 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 51 Lines: 3 Yes it did. (get through last time, that is) imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Apr 24 12:00:10 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: The Entropy Hard Drive (fwd) -- DONT KNOW IF THIS GOT THROUGH LAST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 11:57:58 +0100 (BST) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <9504240946.AA01009@booth5.ecs.ox.ac.uk> from "Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk" at Apr 24, 95 11:46:27 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 445 Lines: 13 > Yes it did. (get through last time, that is) Ah... then it didn't get back through here at least... Strange... Simon -- +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) ----+ | Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK | | Tel: +44 1942 886084 Fax: +44 1942 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc -------------------------------------+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Apr 24 12:04:54 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: gemini..... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 12:03:10 +0100 (BST) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <9504191122.aa22904@almaren.ee.surrey.ac.uk> from "ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk" at Apr 19, 95 12:21:55 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 612 Lines: 18 > Oh, but I dont't like your squiggly resistors though! > -A So neerrrr!!! :) Aktcherly, that's the way we do them at uni on our physics course... it also seems to be the way that most of the merkins do them, and as it's for those shores I'm heading within the next two years... Simon -- +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) ----+ | Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK | | Tel: +44 1942 886084 Fax: +44 1942 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc -------------------------------------+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Apr 24 12:06:03 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: gemini To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 12:04:25 +0100 (BST) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <9504191115.aa22874@almaren.ee.surrey.ac.uk> from "ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk" at Apr 19, 95 12:15:34 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 908 Lines: 27 > Well, I've just managed to view the gemini circuit, and > very nice it looks too. Thanks! > Two serial ports does seem a bit greedy though! *grins* well, the idea is that you can plug a PC serial mouse into it, and use the other socket for a modem... > It's just an idea, but do you think it would be worth adding > a centronics port? You could do it with just two more ls chips, > and a connector... It might save lots of people having to > buy a two-up! Space-wise I'm not sure... price-wise it'd probably add another tenner onto the cost... I'll think about it... Simon -- +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) ----+ | Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK | | Tel: +44 1942 886084 Fax: +44 1942 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc -------------------------------------+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Apr 24 13:40:29 1995 From: Mr Andrew M Gale Message-Id: <9504241203.AA18753@central.surrey.ac.uk> Subject: show.... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 24 Apr 95 13:03:17 BST In-Reply-To: ; from "Simon Cooke" at Apr 24, 95 12:04 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 157 Lines: 6 So then, what was the gloucester gathering like? And would any non-entropy members like (or dare!) like to comment on the plethora of entropy stuff? -Andy From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Apr 24 14:34:00 1995 Message-Id: <24916.9504241316@rs6-233.cls-4.bcc.ac.uk> Subject: Re: show.... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 14:16:45 +0100 (BST) From: Mr Keith Turner In-Reply-To: <9504241203.AA18753@central.surrey.ac.uk> from "Mr Andrew M Gale" at Apr 24, 95 01:03:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 266 Lines: 13 > So then, what was the gloucester gathering like? What _was_ the gloucester show like? I haven't missed it have I? > And would any non-entropy members like (or dare!) > like to comment on the plethora of entropy stuff? / To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 15:01:10 GMT Subject: Erp. Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <5E26F8455C@physx1s.cf.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 171 Lines: 8 Haha! I'm back.. Unfortunately, conversation will be brief due to finals coming up in a few weeks.. :) I'll be the 6'6" guy in a black leather jacket, btw.. :) DMZ === From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Apr 24 15:31:38 1995 From: David Zambonini To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 15:28:43 GMT Subject: Re: show.... Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <5E9C787387@physx1s.cf.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 527 Lines: 22 > > So then, what was the gloucester gathering like? > > What _was_ the gloucester show like? > > I haven't missed it have I? > > > And would any non-entropy members like (or dare!) > > like to comment on the plethora of entropy stuff? > > / -- > http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ccaakrt/ > Well, I HOPE you haven't missed it because that means that I did as well.. I was in Portsmouth for the weekend.. Anyway, as a non-Entropy member I would just like to comment that Entropy have got a plethora of stuff... :) DMZ === From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Apr 24 15:38:06 1995 From: Tim Paveley Message-Id: <9968.9504241351@picasso.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Subject: Re: show.... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 14:51:25 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <24916.9504241316@rs6-233.cls-4.bcc.ac.uk> from "Mr Keith Turner" at Apr 24, 95 02:16:45 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 328 Lines: 14 To Quote Mr Keith Turner : > What _was_ the gloucester show like? I think some one has there wires crossed. It's this Saturday. Or it better be coz otherwise I've just wasted 20quid on rail fare. Tim ....@/ -- Tim Paveley - University of Southampton Sam Coupe Web Pages: http://whig.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~tsp93/Coupe/home.html From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Apr 24 16:02:16 1995 From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk Subject: Re: Erp. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 15:50:58 +0100 (WET DST) In-Reply-To: <5E26F8455C@physx1s.cf.ac.uk> from "David Zambonini" at Apr 24, 95 03:01:10 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Message-Id: <9504241451.aa17165@valar.ee.surrey.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 49 Lines: 3 Am I in error? Was the show not last Saturday?! From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Apr 24 16:37:29 1995 From: goringgn Date: Mon, 24 Apr 95 16:11:59 BST Message-Id: <16170.9504241511@sun.aston.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Erp. Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 709 Lines: 20 > Am I in error? > Was the show not last Saturday?! Nope, it is THIS saturday, as in Feb 29th. Sheesh, look at the Coupe Web Page at Tim's place. I'm going by the way, so you'd all be advised to bring a large bottle of something alcoholic and detrimental to my health. It'll be worth it for a laugh... oh boy, you should see me when I'm drunk. Bleeeaarrggghhh... splut! Um, anyway. If anyone (for some reason) wants to see me, I'll be wearing: 1. Black-ish jeans 2. Black sweat-shirt (with annoying irremovable yellow bobble of something) 3. A stupid hair-cut And I'll probably be pestering Cookie and Stefan for illegal stuff (though not of a narcotic persuation, oh no! I get that from (snip)) Graham From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Apr 24 16:56:16 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Erp. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 16:26:52 +0100 (BST) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <5E26F8455C@physx1s.cf.ac.uk> from "David Zambonini" at Apr 24, 95 03:01:10 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 534 Lines: 14 > I'll be the 6'6" guy in a black leather jacket, btw.. :) I'll be the not-quite-5'8" guy in either a black leather jacket or a black long overcoat, with a black "cowboy" hat with brown leather trim. :) Simon -- +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) ----+ | Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK | | Tel: +44 1942 886084 Fax: +44 1942 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc -------------------------------------+ From imc Mon Apr 24 17:10:06 1995 Subject: Re: Erp. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 24 Apr 95 17:10:06 BST In-Reply-To: ; from "Simon Cooke" at Apr 24, 95 4:26 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 347 Lines: 9 On Mon, 24 Apr 1995 16:26:52 +0100 (BST), Simon Cooke said: > > I'll be the 6'6" guy in a black leather jacket, btw.. :) > > I'll be the not-quite-5'8" guy in either a black leather jacket or a > black long overcoat, with a black "cowboy" hat with brown leather trim. I'll be the one who isn't there. Did I mention California, btw? :-) imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Apr 24 19:52:06 1995 From: David Zambonini To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 19:43:50 GMT Subject: Re: Erp. Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <62DD7C3AC3@physx1s.cf.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 370 Lines: 9 > > > I'll be the 6'6" guy in a black leather jacket, btw.. :) > > > > I'll be the not-quite-5'8" guy in either a black leather jacket or a > > black long overcoat, with a black "cowboy" hat with brown leather trim. > > I'll be the one who isn't there. Did I mention California, btw? :-) Yup. I'm fairly certain you did. Some people have all the luck. :) DMZ === From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Apr 24 19:59:11 1995 From: Tim Paveley Message-Id: <4618.9504241847@turner.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Subject: Me! To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no (sam users mailing list) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 19:47:32 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 262 Lines: 13 have to really.... I'll be the 5'11" bloke wearing shorts and a T-Shirt with a snail on it. Assuming that is the weather holds out. Oh, and I have a nice brown ponytail too.... Tim ....@/ -- Tim Paveley Maths with Computer Science University of Southampton From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Apr 24 20:34:31 1995 From: David Zambonini To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 20:18:27 GMT Subject: Re: Me! Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <6371262626@physx1s.cf.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 370 Lines: 16 > have to really.... > > I'll be the 5'11" bloke wearing shorts and a T-Shirt with a snail on it. > > Assuming that is the weather holds out. > > Oh, and I have a nice brown ponytail too.... > How nice :) Why did I recieve this posting at 8.17pm? Are you on later than usual or is it just the byzantine laws governing the time taken to recieve a message? DMZ === From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Apr 24 20:43:55 1995 From: Tim Paveley Message-Id: <5189.9504241940@turner.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Me! To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 20:40:44 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <6371262626@physx1s.cf.ac.uk> from "David Zambonini" at Apr 24, 95 08:18:27 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 351 Lines: 12 To Quote David Zambonini : > How nice :) > Why did I recieve this posting at 8.17pm? > Are you on later than usual or is it just the byzantine laws > governing the time taken to recieve a message? Nah, I'm just a boring git with no social life whpo has nothing better to do in the evenings :-) Now, where are those RGB files............ Tim ....@/ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Apr 24 22:18:27 1995 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 21:53:20 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <7974@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: gemini..... X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 168 Lines: 8 Yes, the Americans do resistors as zig zag lines, so did I when I was young, its only since we became European we have had the blocks. Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Apr 24 22:18:28 1995 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 21:45:05 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <7972@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Me X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 572 Lines: 24 In message <9504231357.AA06925@wwwlab.cern.ch> Frode Tenneboe writes: > > Bye all - see you in Gloucester? > > *sniff* I want to go to, but...*sniff* Nobody want's to come > with me....*sob* > > > > > Solar Flare of Entropy (aka Stefan.Drissen@tic.iaf.nl) > > -Frode (aka Frode) > > > -- > Frode Tenneboe, ECP/PT, CERN, CH-1211 Geneva 23, Switzerland > frodet@www.cern.ch http://www.himolde.no/~frodet > > Somene invent the transporter beam and I will go, its the hours of travelling that make it less than feasible. Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Apr 24 22:18:29 1995 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 21:41:08 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <7971@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Problems all around... X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 956 Lines: 28 In message <9504231124.AA08276@booth5.ecs.ox.ac.uk> Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk writes: > On Sat, 22 Apr 1995 09:52:54 GMT, Brian Gaff Sam Dept. said: > > I am getting messages, so the problem is elsewhere, anyway, your > > message got through. > > What message? Whoever it was it looks like it didn't get through to here... Wekk I dunno, you sent it! > > Change of subject... You may or may not have noticed that there is a > Net.Legends page at > > http://www.cyberspace.com/chronos/netfame/legends.htm > > so why not pop along and have a look, and vote for our favourite Sinclair > archive maintainer by mailing his name to chronos@cyberspace.com ... > Thanks, but WWW is a pain when you cant see too well! I have no software yet, but now I have a nice big drive what WWW software works in graphics and text mode so I can blow up the text and drain unreadable colours? Its also quite a drain on the phone bill! Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Apr 24 22:24:56 1995 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 21:55:41 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <7975@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: show.... X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 332 Lines: 12 In message <9504241203.AA18753@central.surrey.ac.uk> Mr Andrew M Gale writes: > So then, what was the gloucester gathering like? > And would any non-entropy members like (or dare!) > like to comment on the plethora of entropy stuff? > > -Andy > > > Is there a time warp somewhere? Its not happened yet! -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Apr 25 09:57:56 1995 From: frodet@www1.cern.ch (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9504250854.AA24545@wwwlab.cern.ch> Subject: Re: Me To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 10:54:43 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: <7972@bgserv.demon.co.uk> from "Brian Gaff Sam Dept." at Apr 24, 95 09:45:05 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 542 Lines: 17 > Somene invent the transporter beam and I will go, its the hours > of travelling that make it less than feasible. Agreed.....what about northen-europe next time? ;) Seriously, I'd very mych like to go, but time does not permit, and expenses are greater than the utiliant value (that's basic economics guys - btw: why are there noe gals here?). > > Brian -Frode (who will not be at the show with a tape-line) -- Frode Tenneboe, ECP/PT, CERN, CH-1211 Geneva 23, Switzerland frodet@www.cern.ch http://www.himolde.no/~frodet From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Apr 25 10:12:34 1995 From: Mr Andrew M Gale Message-Id: <9504250906.AA18112@central.surrey.ac.uk> Subject: Re: gemini..... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 25 Apr 95 10:06:29 BST In-Reply-To: <7974@bgserv.demon.co.uk>; from "Brian Gaff Sam Dept." at Apr 24, 95 9:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 618 Lines: 20 > > Yes, the Americans do resistors as zig zag lines, so did I when > I was young, its only since we became European we have had the > blocks. > > Brian > > -- > Brian Gaff Sam Dept. Yes, it's one of those tough decisions: whether to side with vulgar Americans or vulgar Europeans. There is an advantage to using blocks for resistors - and blocks for i.c.s, and blocks for capacitors, and blocks for just about anything else - it means you don't have to risk being creative, and I'm sure it makes writing CAD software just that little bit easier! Don't the Americans draw capatiors like -)I- rather than -II- ? From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Apr 25 10:17:19 1995 From: Mr Andrew M Gale Message-Id: <9504250912.AA19144@central.surrey.ac.uk> Subject: Re: gemini To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 25 Apr 95 10:12:49 BST In-Reply-To: ; from "Simon Cooke" at Apr 24, 95 12:04 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 926 Lines: 22 > > It's just an idea, but do you think it would be worth adding > > a centronics port? You could do it with just two more ls chips, > > and a connector... It might save lots of people having to > > buy a two-up! > > Space-wise I'm not sure... price-wise it'd probably add another tenner > onto the cost... > > Simon I actually meant *three* ls chips... but never mind. If you could fit the tracks on the pcb then you could offer it just as an option and don't solder them in if they don't want it... but I expect you've already designed the pcb. Will a PC mouse connected thus be reasonably compatible with the SAM mouse with an appropriate driver? I know some software reads the mouse directly and so would need modifying... but it shouldn't be too tricky. Personally I would much rather have a gemini and a PC mouse than a COMMS interface and a SAM mouse. Especially considering PC mice can be got for about #5. -AG From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Apr 25 10:19:58 1995 From: Colin G Piggot Date: Tue, 25 Apr 95 10:16:22 BST Message-Id: <20116.9504250916@pasta.st-andrews.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: gemini..... Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 652 Lines: 18 > Yes, it's one of those tough decisions: whether to side with > vulgar Americans or vulgar Europeans. There is an advantage > to using blocks for resistors - and blocks for i.c.s, and > blocks for capacitors, and blocks for just about anything > else - it means you don't have to risk being creative, and > I'm sure it makes writing CAD software just that little bit > easier! Personally i prefer blocks for resistors, but american symbols for logic gates rule! The British Standard symbols for logic gates - urrghhh!!! At the show, i'll probably be wearing a suit! And i'll be ranting and raving about the Quazar Surround at my stall. Colin P. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Apr 25 10:44:00 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: gemini..... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 10:42:13 +0100 (BST) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <20116.9504250916@pasta.st-andrews.ac.uk> from "Colin G Piggot" at Apr 25, 95 10:16:22 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 634 Lines: 16 > Personally i prefer blocks for resistors, but american symbols > for logic gates rule! The British Standard symbols for logic gates > - urrghhh!!! > > At the show, i'll probably be wearing a suit! And i'll be ranting and raving > about the Quazar Surround at my stall. A SUIT????!!!!!!???!?!?!?!?!?!? Simon -- +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) ----+ | Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK | | Tel: +44 1942 886084 Fax: +44 1942 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc -------------------------------------+ From imc Tue Apr 25 11:01:58 1995 Subject: Re: gemini..... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 25 Apr 95 11:01:58 BST In-Reply-To: <20116.9504250916@pasta.st-andrews.ac.uk>; from "Colin G Piggot" at Apr 25, 95 10:16 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 483 Lines: 18 On Tue, 25 Apr 95 10:16:22 BST, Colin G Piggot said: > Personally i prefer blocks for resistors, but american symbols > for logic gates rule! The British Standard symbols for logic gates > - urrghhh!!! I've only ever seen one kind of logic gate. What is the difference? BTW... __ ___ ___ __| \ __\ \ __\\ \ __| |-- __ ) >-- __ )) >-- |__/ /__/ //__/ AND OR XOR (don't you just hate ASCII-grans) imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Apr 25 11:19:23 1995 From: gaw-a@ugrad.cs.york.ac.uk Message-Id: >From: gaw-a@minster.york.ac.uk (Mars Bar) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 10:50:13 +0100 In-Reply-To: simonc -- "Re: Erp." (Apr 24, 4:26pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92 (ORBIT)) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Erp. Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 262 Lines: 8 On Apr 24, 4:26pm in "Re: Erp.", you warbled: ] I'll be the not-quite-5'8" guy in either a black leather jacket or a ] black long overcoat, with a black "cowboy" hat with brown leather trim. And we all saw you in the Daily Mail, you love-sick gimp... Geoff From imc Tue Apr 25 11:23:42 1995 Subject: Re: Erp. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 25 Apr 95 11:23:42 BST In-Reply-To: ; from "Mars Bar" at Apr 25, 95 10:50 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 158 Lines: 6 On Tue, 25 Apr 1995 10:50:13 +0100, Mars Bar said: > And we all saw you in the Daily Mail, you love-sick gimp... I didn't. Come on, dish the dirt! :-) imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Apr 25 12:16:36 1995 From: Colin G Piggot Date: Tue, 25 Apr 95 10:54:23 BST Message-Id: <21460.9504250954@pasta.st-andrews.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: gemini..... Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 551 Lines: 12 > A SUIT????!!!!!!???!?!?!?!?!?!? Hey, and whats wrong with that? Colin P. __________________ __ ____ ___ ______________________ |Colin G Piggot | /| | | | | / | | |\ |(C) Colin G. Piggot | |cgp@st-and.ac.uk | / | | | |__| / |___| | \ |----------------------| | | / | | | | | / | | |__\ |*16* BIT SOUND STRIKES| |Presents The ... | / \ | |__| | | /___ | | | \ |THE SAM - HEARING IS | |_________________| /___\|=======SURROUND=======| \ |____________BELIEVING_| From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Apr 25 12:17:22 1995 From: gaw-a@ugrad.cs.york.ac.uk Message-Id: >From: gaw-a@minster.york.ac.uk (Mars Bar) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 11:10:25 +0100 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92 (ORBIT)) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: ho hum... Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1302 Lines: 31 Well. Let's see now... I can either go to the Acorn User show in Harrogate (around 20 miles from my current position (about 5 quids worth of petrol), where I'll find lots of new and _ground-breaking_ hardware and software and might even be able to wangle a stall (if they still let me!) to show off Xenakis16 (16-bit tracker for the arch)), OR I can go to the Sam `FORMAT' show in Gloucester (around 300 miles (about 30 quid of petrol or more or a 30 quid train fare), where I'll find hardware that may be new but certainly won't be ground-breaking (what, I can play 8-bit MODs now? At a whole 20 kHz? Zowee! And 16-bit sound for the Sam... now _that_ will be useful. So what's the output speed?) and where I might be able to buy some cheap discs and look at some nice software and hardware that might be out in about 3 years time if I'm lucky (judging from past experience)...) It'd be nice to see everyone (again) but I'm afraid 30 quid just isn't in my budget for having a laff with the lads. Anyone who wants to rebel, I'll be in Harrogate, the one in the electric- blue beetle trying to find a parking space with 3 sad fellow ARM-coders in the back... Sorry and all that, but... next time how about a show in the _centre_ of England, rather than the south coast... Geoff From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Apr 25 12:17:39 1995 From: gaw-a@ugrad.cs.york.ac.uk Message-Id: >From: gaw-a@minster.york.ac.uk (Mars Bar) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 11:39:33 +0100 In-Reply-To: Ian.Collier -- "Re: Erp." (Apr 25, 12:23pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92 (ORBIT)) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Erp. Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 872 Lines: 25 On Apr 25, 12:23pm in "Re: Erp.", imc warbled: ] On Tue, 25 Apr 1995 10:50:13 +0100, Mars Bar said: ] > And we all saw you in the Daily Mail, you love-sick gimp... ] ] I didn't. Come on, dish the dirt! :-) Oh, it was just Si making the most of circumstance and making money through his complete lack of journalistic integrity... "Can _YOU_ find love on the INTERNET"??? I must hasten to add that I don't read the mail from force of habit, I was staying at my girlfriend's parents' house, and it just jumped out at me... It was in the `femail' (sic) section, and was just generally a sob-story about how si got completely hooked on a certain americain bint (who was also interviewed, btw)... Not that I'm jealous of the money he must have got or anything... :) (And I'm going to move terminals, cos this bloody PC's spacebar is shagged (*sigh*)). Geoff From imc Tue Apr 25 12:18:31 1995 Subject: Re: ho hum... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 25 Apr 95 12:18:31 BST In-Reply-To: ; from "Mars Bar" at Apr 25, 95 11:10 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 273 Lines: 9 On Tue, 25 Apr 1995 11:10:25 +0100, Mars Bar said: > Sorry and all that, but... next time how about a show in the _centre_ > of England, rather than the south coast... Yes, we can have it at Oxford. :-) (seriously though, you don't want it in Birmingham do you?!) imc From imc Tue Apr 25 12:32:09 1995 Subject: Re: gemini..... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 25 Apr 95 12:32:09 BST In-Reply-To: <7974@bgserv.demon.co.uk>; from "Brian Gaff Sam Dept." at Apr 24, 95 9:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 230 Lines: 8 On Mon, 24 Apr 1995 21:53:20 GMT, Brian Gaff Sam Dept. said: > Yes, the Americans do resistors as zig zag lines, so did I when > I was young, its only since we became European we have had the > blocks. So that's the reason! imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Apr 25 12:51:04 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Erp. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 12:38:25 +0100 (BST) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: from "Mars Bar" at Apr 25, 95 11:39:33 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1633 Lines: 38 > On Apr 25, 12:23pm in "Re: Erp.", imc warbled: > ] I didn't. Come on, dish the dirt! :-) > Oh, it was just Si making the most of circumstance and making money > through his complete lack of journalistic integrity... Thankyou /very/ much :-/ > "Can _YOU_ find love on the INTERNET"??? > > I must hasten to add that I don't read the mail from force of habit, I > was staying at my girlfriend's parents' house, and it just jumped out > at me... > > It was in the `femail' (sic) section, and was just generally a sob-story > about how si got completely hooked on a certain americain bint (who > was also interviewed, btw)... > > Not that I'm jealous of the money he must have got or anything... :) I didn't get any money for it. And at one point I thought the bloody photographer was going to try and get me and Debby to enter the missionary position for him... It could have been a lot worse. WHat I thought it was going to be was that they were getting in touch to re-publish the .net article. It ended up I was taken for a ride. It's factually incorrect (debby is spelt with a Y, I never said most of what's in there, I didn't pay for her flight, she's only been to see me twice <>.... gah...) I'll post up the article when I finish transcribing it for Debby to attack. Simon -- +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) ----+ | Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK | | Tel: +44 1942 886084 Fax: +44 1942 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc -------------------------------------+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Apr 25 12:53:10 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: ho hum... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 12:39:39 +0100 (BST) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: from "Mars Bar" at Apr 25, 95 11:10:25 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 479 Lines: 12 > Sorry and all that, but... next time how about a show in the _centre_ > of England, rather than the south coast... > > Geoff Would Macclesfield do? Simon -- +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) ----+ | Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK | | Tel: +44 1942 886084 Fax: +44 1942 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc -------------------------------------+ From imc Tue Apr 25 12:55:43 1995 Subject: Re: Erp. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 25 Apr 95 12:55:43 BST In-Reply-To: <62DD7C3AC3@physx1s.cf.ac.uk>; from "David Zambonini" at Apr 24, 95 7:43 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 326 Lines: 9 On Mon, 24 Apr 1995 19:43:50 GMT, David Zambonini said: > > I'll be the one who isn't there. Did I mention California, btw? :-) > Yup. I'm fairly certain you did. Some people have all the luck. :) Or the cash. If you have got enough there's nothing stopping you from joining me. Except possibly the Sam show. :-) imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Apr 25 13:05:54 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: gemini..... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 12:40:04 +0100 (BST) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <21460.9504250954@pasta.st-andrews.ac.uk> from "Colin G Piggot" at Apr 25, 95 10:54:23 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 456 Lines: 13 > > A SUIT????!!!!!!???!?!?!?!?!?!? > > Hey, and whats wrong with that? Come on... you saw what Dave looked like in one... :) Simon -- +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) ----+ | Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK | | Tel: +44 1942 886084 Fax: +44 1942 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc -------------------------------------+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Apr 25 13:11:19 1995 From: Colin G Piggot Date: Tue, 25 Apr 95 11:33:59 BST Message-Id: <23935.9504251033@pasta.st-andrews.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: gemini..... Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 595 Lines: 22 > I've only ever seen one kind of logic gate. What is the difference? > > BTW... > __ ___ ___ > __| \ __\ \ __\\ \ > __| |-- __ ) >-- __ )) >-- > |__/ /__/ //__/ > > AND OR XOR Okay, thats the decent american symbols, now imagine things like this (from memory so they may be slightly wrong) ______ ___| & | ___| =1 |--- |_____| or something like that, basically all squares with silly symbols, you cant tell at a glance what type it is - unlike the american symbols Colin P. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Apr 25 13:26:14 1995 From: Colin G Piggot Date: Tue, 25 Apr 95 13:04:01 BST Message-Id: <27067.9504251204@pasta.st-andrews.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: gemini..... Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 753 Lines: 20 > > > A SUIT????!!!!!!???!?!?!?!?!?!? > > > > Hey, and whats wrong with that? > > Come on... you saw what Dave looked like in one... :) > > Simon Cant think of a witty answer to reply with! Is it just my mail, or is there a horendous lag with samusers mail today? Colin P. __________________ __ ____ ___ ______________________ |Colin G Piggot | /| | | | | / | | |\ |(C) Colin G. Piggot | |cgp@st-and.ac.uk | / | | | |__| / |___| | \ |----------------------| | | / | | | | | / | | |__\ |*16* BIT SOUND STRIKES| |Presents The ... | / \ | |__| | | /___ | | | \ |THE SAM - HEARING IS | |_________________| /___\|=======SURROUND=======| \ |____________BELIEVING_| From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Apr 25 13:33:39 1995 From: "Doore, Dan [MIS]" To: sam-users Subject: Something completely different... Date: Tue, 25 Apr 95 13:13:00 PDT Message-Id: <2F9D5A55@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 12 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 363 Lines: 12 Since this forum is so well informed, and I need help I'm going to turn to you lot. I need a utility that will act like GREP in Unix that runs under windows that I can just pass a parameter for and it will grep a text file and give the result as a list in a window/notepad file. I have had a bash around a few ftp sites bit no joy, any suggestions? Dan Doore From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Apr 25 13:41:00 1995 From: "Doore, Dan [MIS]" To: sam-users Subject: Re: Erp. Date: Tue, 25 Apr 95 11:53:00 PDT Message-Id: <2F9D57E3@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 15 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 393 Lines: 15 > ] > And we all saw you in the Daily Mail, you love-sick gimp... > ] > ] I didn't. Come on, dish the dirt! :-) > Oh, it was just Si making the most of circumstance and making money > through his complete lack of journalistic integrity... > > "Can _YOU_ find love on the INTERNET"??? I want dates, issue numbers and a full copy through my door tomorrow. I need a chuckle right now. Dan. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Apr 25 14:01:20 1995 From: frodet@www1.cern.ch (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9504251056.AA00297@wwwlab.cern.ch> Subject: Re: Erp. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 12:56:36 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: from "Mars Bar" at Apr 25, 95 11:39:33 am Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 284 Lines: 9 > Not that I'm jealous of the money he must have got or anything... :) Si: How much money _did_ you get? -Frode 'who would like to make some money too' -- Frode Tenneboe, ECP/PT, CERN, CH-1211 Geneva 23, Switzerland frodet@www.cern.ch http://www.himolde.no/~frodet From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Apr 25 14:40:00 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Erp. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 11:59:15 +0100 (BST) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: from "Mars Bar" at Apr 25, 95 10:50:13 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 910 Lines: 22 > On Apr 24, 4:26pm in "Re: Erp.", you warbled: > ] I'll be the not-quite-5'8" guy in either a black leather jacket or a > ] black long overcoat, with a black "cowboy" hat with brown leather trim. > > And we all saw you in the Daily Mail, you love-sick gimp... I've only just seen that article... factually incorrect in places... Lemme explain: I thought that she (Clare Campbell) was buying my article from .net... ended up that she wasn't. Bummer. Still, you can all hear me this Sunday on Radio 4 if you really really want to... (Open University... Maths and Chastity?) Simon -- +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) ----+ | Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK | | Tel: +44 1942 886084 Fax: +44 1942 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc -------------------------------------+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Apr 25 14:43:04 1995 From: gaw-a@ugrad.cs.york.ac.uk Message-Id: >From: gaw-a@minster.york.ac.uk (Mars Bar) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 14:15:07 +0100 In-Reply-To: Ian.Collier -- "Re: ho hum..." (Apr 25, 1:18pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92 (ORBIT)) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: ho hum... Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 497 Lines: 17 On Apr 25, 1:18pm in "Re: ho hum...", you warbled: ] On Tue, 25 Apr 1995 11:10:25 +0100, Mars Bar said: ] > Sorry and all that, but... next time how about a show in the _centre_ ] > of England, rather than the south coast... ] ] Yes, we can have it at Oxford. :-) ] ] (seriously though, you don't want it in Birmingham do you?!) ] ] imc Actually the centre of England is about half-way between Coventry and Birmingham -- and thus about 30 miles from my home city of Leicester... :) Geoff From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Apr 25 14:50:16 1995 From: gaw-a@ugrad.cs.york.ac.uk Message-Id: >From: gaw-a@minster.york.ac.uk (Mars Bar) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 14:15:42 +0100 In-Reply-To: simonc -- "Re: ho hum..." (Apr 25, 12:39pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92 (ORBIT)) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: ho hum... Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 271 Lines: 11 On Apr 25, 12:39pm in "Re: ho hum...", Si warbled: ] > Sorry and all that, but... next time how about a show in the _centre_ > ] of England, rather than the south coast... > > Geoff ] ] Would Macclesfield do? I should think so... as long as it's in term time. Geoff From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Apr 25 15:14:16 1995 From: Tim Paveley Message-Id: <18933.9504251329@titian.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Erp. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 14:29:25 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Simon Cooke" at Apr 25, 95 11:59:15 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 176 Lines: 7 To Quote Simon Cooke : > Still, you can all hear me this Sunday on Radio 4 if you really really > want to... (Open University... Maths and Chastity?) When, When? Tim ....@/ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Apr 25 15:28:52 1995 From: frodet@www1.cern.ch (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9504251328.AA05620@wwwlab.cern.ch> Subject: Re: Erp. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 15:28:00 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: from "Simon Cooke" at Apr 25, 95 11:59:15 am Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 476 Lines: 16 > Still, you can all hear me this Sunday on Radio 4 if you really really > want to... (Open University... Maths and Chastity?) Open University...somehow associated with the Open Fundation? Maths and Chastity? Don't maths people integrate or what.....muahahaha :) Oh! How about somebody recording that and sampling it to .au, svp? > > Simon > -- Frode Tenneboe, ECP/PT, CERN, CH-1211 Geneva 23, Switzerland frodet@www.cern.ch http://www.himolde.no/~frodet From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Apr 25 17:32:59 1995 From: frodet@www1.cern.ch (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9504251553.AA06262@wwwlab.cern.ch> Subject: Re: Something completely different... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 17:53:15 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: <2F9D5A55@courier.lmu.ac.uk> from "Doore, Dan [MIS]" at Apr 25, 95 01:13:00 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 615 Lines: 25 > > > Since this forum is so well informed, and I need help I'm > going to turn to you lot. > > I need a utility that will act like GREP in Unix that runs under > windows that I can just pass a parameter for and it will > grep a text file and give the result as a list in a window/notepad > file. > > I have had a bash around a few ftp sites bit no joy, any suggestions? You might have luck with: ftp://tutserver.tutcc.tut.ac.jp/MSDOS/Unix-Like/grep > Dan Doore > Cheers -Frode -- Frode Tenneboe, ECP/PT, CERN, CH-1211 Geneva 23, Switzerland frodet@www.cern.ch http://www.himolde.no/~frodet From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Apr 25 18:05:53 1995 From: Mr Andrew M Gale Message-Id: <9504251641.AA04531@central.surrey.ac.uk> Subject: Re: ho hum... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 25 Apr 95 17:41:27 BST In-Reply-To: ; from "Mars Bar" at Apr 25, 95 11:10 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 325 Lines: 12 > Sorry and all that, but... next time how about a show in the _centre_ > of England, rather than the south coast... > > Geoff > Well, it makes a change to having everything in London.# South Coast????? Take a look at your map! Personally, I think we should have shows in the seaside resort of Weston-super-Mare. -Andy From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Apr 25 18:06:51 1995 From: Mr Andrew M Gale Message-Id: <9504251645.AA05106@central.surrey.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Sooo.... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 25 Apr 95 17:45:55 BST In-Reply-To: ; from "Simon Cooke" at Mar 31, 95 3:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 219 Lines: 5 Did I hear murmurs about amplifying the SAMs sound through a speaker in the quazar/eddac/samdac using a lead? I did - but aren't the SAM audio signals present on the DIN41612? I haven't got my tech manual with me..... From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Apr 25 18:27:23 1995 From: Mr Andrew M Gale Message-Id: <9504251647.AA05295@central.surrey.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Sooo.... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 25 Apr 95 17:47:42 BST In-Reply-To: ; from "Simon Cooke" at Mar 31, 95 3:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 214 Lines: 7 Is it really essential to decode the /M1 line for i/o ports since the SAM runs in mode 1 interrupts? I notice you have with the gemini, Simon - or was that just because you had a spare /en line available? -Andy From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Apr 25 21:28:55 1995 From: goringgn Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 21:18:18 +0100 Message-Id: <1465.9504252018@sun.aston.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: ho hum... X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1532 Lines: 35 > From gaw-a@ugrad.cs.york.ac.uk Tue Apr 25 11:48 BST 1995 > Resent-Message-Id: <9504251048.AA25220@sun.aston.ac.uk> > Resent-From: goringgn@charlie.aston.ac.uk > Resent-To: goringgn@ugrad.cs.york.ac.uk > Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Apr 95 11:46:44 +00 > From: gaw-a@ugrad.cs.york.ac.uk > >From: gaw-a@minster.york.ac.uk (Mars Bar) > Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 11:10:25 +0100 > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Subject: ho hum... > > Well. Let's see now... > > I can either go to the Acorn User show in Harrogate (around 20 miles > from my current position (about 5 quids worth of petrol), where I'll find > lots of new and _ground-breaking_ hardware and software and might even > be able to wangle a stall (if they still let me!) to show off Xenakis16 > (16-bit tracker for the arch)), > > OR > > I can go to the Sam `FORMAT' show in Gloucester (around 300 miles (about > 30 quid of petrol or more or a 30 quid train fare), where I'll find > hardware that may be new but certainly won't be ground-breaking (what, > I can play 8-bit MODs now? At a whole 20 kHz? Zowee! And 16-bit sound > for the Sam... now _that_ will be useful. So what's the output speed?) > and where I might be able to buy some cheap discs and look at some > nice software and hardware that might be out in about 3 years time if > I'm lucky (judging from past experience)...) And that concludes our lesson in, "How to offend the entire SAM community" for this week, though I understand Geoff will be doing an advanced course in the coming weeks. ;) Graham From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Apr 25 22:38:10 1995 From: gaw-a@ugrad.cs.york.ac.uk Message-Id: >From: gaw-a@minster.york.ac.uk (Mars Bar) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 22:17:35 +0100 In-Reply-To: goringgn -- "Re: ho hum..." (Apr 25, 9:18pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92 (ORBIT)) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: ho hum... Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 461 Lines: 13 On Apr 25, 9:18pm in "Re: ho hum...", graham warbled: ] And that concludes our lesson in, "How to offend the entire SAM community" ] for this week, though I understand Geoff will be doing an advanced course ] in the coming weeks. ;) I was simply trying to point out that everything people are getting so excited over has been done for years on every other machine... Now if someone wanted to make a SAM ARM accelerator board I might be interested :) Geoff From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Apr 26 00:30:32 1995 From: David Zambonini To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 00:25:52 GMT Subject: Suggestion! Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <7F953E37C1@physx1s.cf.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 139 Lines: 5 Why doesn't everybody from the SAM mailing list go to the show wearing a large fluorescent green hat for easy identification? :) DMZ === From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Apr 26 07:13:42 1995 From: Johnathan Taylor Date: 25 Apr 95 22:50:07 +0000 Subject: Something completely different... Message-Id: <3ca_9504260553@centron.com> Organization: CC-NET BBS To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1076 Lines: 34 On (25 Apr 95) D.J.Doore@lmu.ac.uk wrote... D > From: "Doore, Dan [MIS]" D > Date: Tue, 25 Apr 95 13:13:00 PDT D > Since this forum is so well informed, and I need help I'm D > going to turn to you lot. D > I need a utility that will act like GREP in Unix that runs under D > windows that I can just pass a parameter for and it will D > grep a text file and give the result as a list in a window/notepad D > file. D > I have had a bash around a few ftp sites bit no joy, any suggestions? I have grep.c source and binary CP/M executable with wildacard expansion and I/O redirection provided by Hi-Tech C CP/M compiler. You could compile it under windows after modification of my wildcard expansion bits and pieces:-) Or just use the binary under ProDos;-) I use it to grep them big .idx files on ftp sites. Johnathan. ... I'd like to change the world, but they won't give me the source code. -- |Fidonet: Johnathan Taylor 2:2501/307.9 |Internet: jet@centron.com | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Apr 26 08:55:56 1995 From: frodet@www1.cern.ch (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9504260751.AA07475@wwwlab.cern.ch> Subject: Re: Suggestion! To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 09:51:42 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: <7F953E37C1@physx1s.cf.ac.uk> from "David Zambonini" at Apr 26, 95 00:25:52 am Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 331 Lines: 13 > > Why doesn't everybody from the SAM mailing list go to the show > wearing a large fluorescent green hat for easy identification? :) Do you know what a green hat means in chinese???? > DMZ -Frode -- Frode Tenneboe, ECP/PT, CERN, CH-1211 Geneva 23, Switzerland frodet@www.cern.ch http://www.himolde.no/~frodet From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Apr 26 10:15:29 1995 From: goringgn Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 10:07:40 +0100 Message-Id: <4852.9504260907@sun.aston.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Suggestion! X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 255 Lines: 14 > > > > Why doesn't everybody from the SAM mailing list go to the show > > wearing a large fluorescent green hat for easy identification? :) > > Do you know what a green hat means in chinese???? > Um, please lock me up? > > DMZ > > -Frode Graham From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Apr 26 11:19:24 1995 From: frodet@www1.cern.ch (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9504261010.AA00519@wwwlab.cern.ch> Subject: Re: Suggestion! To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 12:09:59 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: <4852.9504260907@sun.aston.ac.uk> from "goringgn" at Apr 26, 95 10:07:40 am Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 342 Lines: 16 > > Do you know what a green hat means in chinese???? > > > > Um, please lock me up? Close......'I'm unfaithful!' The same as 'horny' is in spanish/french (translated respectively of course). > Graham -Frode -- Frode Tenneboe, ECP/PT, CERN, CH-1211 Geneva 23, Switzerland frodet@www.cern.ch http://www.himolde.no/~frodet From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Apr 26 12:40:50 1995 From: David Zambonini To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 12:33:35 GMT Subject: To boldy optimise where no man has optimised before.. Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <8BB7F861D9@physx1s.cf.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 488 Lines: 14 OK.. I'd like to introduce a pet subject of mine for discussion.... Optimisation! As a starter before I reveal any of my incredibly well kept secrets, would anyone like to comment on the fact that I have a 32 pixel high sinewave scroller that executes in 1 frame AND leaves enough time left over for Etracker? (Nope, Cookie, not that old snippet of demo by you I saw which used the "skip a line" method.. :) ) Any takers, or shall I return to talking about green hats..? :) DMZ === From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Apr 26 13:21:15 1995 From: David Zambonini To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 12:28:14 GMT Subject: Re: Suggestion! Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <8BA0BC36EB@physx1s.cf.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 345 Lines: 19 > > > Do you know what a green hat means in chinese???? > > > > > > > Um, please lock me up? > > Close......'I'm unfaithful!' The same as 'horny' is in > spanish/french (translated respectively of course). Ermmmm..... I knew that! Honest... errrr... Of course, if you still want to wear one....... :) > > Graham > > -Frode > DMZ === From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Apr 26 13:31:34 1995 From: frodet@www1.cern.ch (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9504261226.AA01075@wwwlab.cern.ch> Subject: Re: To boldy optimise where no man has optimised before.. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 14:26:25 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: <8BB7F861D9@physx1s.cf.ac.uk> from "David Zambonini" at Apr 26, 95 12:33:35 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 799 Lines: 26 > As a starter before I reveal any of my incredibly well kept secrets, > would anyone like to comment on the fact that I have a 32 pixel high > sinewave scroller that executes in 1 frame AND leaves enough time > left over for Etracker? Well...hum....I won't brag, but I have a 16 * 24 (I think it was) text-scroller, scrolling in a horisontal sin-wave over a back-ground at one frame AND leaves enough time to play some jucy music..... on the +3....Smoothly..... ftp://ftp.nvg.unit.no/pub/spectrum/snaps/demos/president/128k-demos/ and check out TNT :-) > Any takers, or shall I return to talking about green hats..? :) Or horns.... :) > DMZ -Frode -- Frode Tenneboe, ECP/PT, CERN, CH-1211 Geneva 23, Switzerland frodet@www.cern.ch http://www.himolde.no/~frodet From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Apr 26 15:12:59 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: To boldy optimise where no man has optimised before.. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 14:55:57 +0100 (BST) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <9504261226.AA01075@wwwlab.cern.ch> from "Frode Tenneboe" at Apr 26, 95 02:26:25 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1148 Lines: 27 > > > As a starter before I reveal any of my incredibly well kept secrets, > > would anyone like to comment on the fact that I have a 32 pixel high > > sinewave scroller that executes in 1 frame AND leaves enough time > > left over for Etracker? > > Well...hum....I won't brag, but I have a 16 * 24 (I think it was) > text-scroller, scrolling in a horisontal sin-wave over a back-ground at > one frame AND leaves enough time to play some jucy music..... > on the +3....Smoothly..... Pish and tiffle... ;) I've not released "statues of ice version 1.0 -- the corrupted source disc" yet, but I think I may launch the MultiScroller at you guys... 2x32 line high mode 2 scrollers, 32 line high Sinewave scroller (mode 4) *and* converted 128k spectrum soundtracker music... Nuff said :) (oh yeah, and all in a frame too) -- +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) ----+ | Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK | | Tel: +44 1942 886084 Fax: +44 1942 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc -------------------------------------+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Apr 26 15:21:48 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: To boldy optimise where no man has optimised before.. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 14:56:54 +0100 (BST) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <8BB7F861D9@physx1s.cf.ac.uk> from "David Zambonini" at Apr 26, 95 12:33:35 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 740 Lines: 17 > As a starter before I reveal any of my incredibly well kept secrets, > would anyone like to comment on the fact that I have a 32 pixel high > sinewave scroller that executes in 1 frame AND leaves enough time > left over for Etracker? > (Nope, Cookie, not that old snippet of demo by you I saw which used > the "skip a line" method.. :) ) Oh yeah, and it's perfectly happy for you /not/ to use Skip-a-line... :) -- +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) ----+ | Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK | | Tel: +44 1942 886084 Fax: +44 1942 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc -------------------------------------+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Apr 26 15:37:39 1995 From: Tim Paveley Message-Id: <885.9504261418@turner.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Subject: Re: To boldy optimise where no man has optimised before.. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 15:18:09 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Simon Cooke" at Apr 26, 95 02:56:54 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 262 Lines: 12 [Boasts Deleted!] Yeah? Well how does a BASIC Driver, 8 Pixel High, 8 Colour (Using Palette Line), Readably Slow Scroller Sound? I could post the listing if you really want :-) Tim ....@/ -- Tim Paveley Maths with Computer Science University of Southampton From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Apr 26 16:00:23 1995 From: goringgn Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 15:26:46 +0100 Message-Id: <3859.9504261426@sun.aston.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: To boldy optimise where no man has optimised before.. X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1521 Lines: 37 > From simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk Wed Apr 26 15:24 BST 1995 > Resent-Message-Id: <9504261424.AA07952@sun.aston.ac.uk> > Resent-From: goringgn@charlie.aston.ac.uk > Resent-To: goringgn@jumper.mcc.ac.uk > Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 95 15:23:01 +00 > From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) > Subject: Re: To boldy optimise where no man has optimised before.. > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 14:55:57 +0100 (BST) > Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) > > > > > > As a starter before I reveal any of my incredibly well kept secrets, > > > would anyone like to comment on the fact that I have a 32 pixel high > > > sinewave scroller that executes in 1 frame AND leaves enough time > > > left over for Etracker? > > > > Well...hum....I won't brag, but I have a 16 * 24 (I think it was) > > text-scroller, scrolling in a horisontal sin-wave over a back-ground at > > one frame AND leaves enough time to play some jucy music..... > > on the +3....Smoothly..... > > Pish and tiffle... ;) > > I've not released "statues of ice version 1.0 -- the corrupted source > disc" yet, but I think I may launch the MultiScroller at you guys... > > 2x32 line high mode 2 scrollers, 32 line high Sinewave scroller (mode 4) > *and* converted 128k spectrum soundtracker music... > > Nuff said :) (oh yeah, and all in a frame too) Sod the techy stuff, what's the music from? I LOVE 128k converts! well, tellme tellme tellme! Graham - Who's looking forward to seeing Martijn Groen's latest demo at the show From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Apr 26 16:09:21 1995 From: frodet@www1.cern.ch (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9504261451.AA02365@wwwlab.cern.ch> Subject: Re: To boldy optimise where no man has optimised before.. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 16:51:05 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: <3859.9504261426@sun.aston.ac.uk> from "goringgn" at Apr 26, 95 03:26:46 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1330 Lines: 40 > > > Well...hum....I won't brag, but I have a 16 * 24 (I think it was) > > > text-scroller, scrolling in a horisontal sin-wave over a back-ground at > > > one frame AND leaves enough time to play some jucy music..... > > > on the +3....Smoothly..... (Simon Cooke) > > > > Pish and tiffle... ;) > > > > I've not released "statues of ice version 1.0 -- the corrupted source > > disc" yet, but I think I may launch the MultiScroller at you guys... > > > > 2x32 line high mode 2 scrollers, 32 line high Sinewave scroller (mode 4) > > *and* converted 128k spectrum soundtracker music... Come on....line-scrollers are just shifting of bits around. Re sinewave: Are the letters sprites? ;) > > > > Nuff said :) (oh yeah, and all in a frame too) ..on a twice as fast computer (with a four times bigger display, ok).. :) > Sod the techy stuff, what's the music from? I LOVE 128k converts! > > well, tellme tellme tellme! > > Graham - Who's looking forward to seeing Martijn Groen's latest demo at the show > Will there be a 'responsible-for-brining-back-all-the-demo-software- from-the-show-and-putting-them-on-nvg' person? -Frode 'Who is getting envy of hearing about everybody who's going' -- Frode Tenneboe, ECP/PT, CERN, CH-1211 Geneva 23, Switzerland frodet@www.cern.ch http://www.himolde.no/~frodet From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Apr 26 16:34:48 1995 From: "Doore, Dan [MIS]" To: sam-users Subject: Re: To boldy brag where no pod has boasted before.. Date: Wed, 26 Apr 95 15:47:00 PDT Message-Id: <2F9ECE58@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 19 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 366 Lines: 19 > [Boasts Deleted!] > > Yeah? Well how does a BASIC Driver, 8 Pixel High, 8 Colour (Using > Palette Line), Readably Slow Scroller Sound? Good call. > I could post the listing if you really want :-) Hey! I wouldn't mind a look at that, sounds well groovy :)) Dan Doore. > Tim ....@/ > -- > Tim Paveley > Maths with Computer Science > University of Southampton From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Apr 26 16:36:32 1995 From: gaw-a@ugrad.cs.york.ac.uk Message-Id: >From: gaw-a@minster.york.ac.uk (Mars Bar) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 15:49:08 +0100 In-Reply-To: simonc -- "Re: To boldy optimise where no man has optimised before.." (Apr 26, 2:55pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92 (ORBIT)) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: To boldy optimise where no man has optimised before.. Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 847 Lines: 21 On Apr 26, 2:55pm in "Re: To boldy optimise where no man has optimised before..", Si warbled self-deceivingly: ] I've not released "statues of ice version 1.0 -- the corrupted source ] disc" yet, but I think I may launch the MultiScroller at you guys... ] ] 2x32 line high mode 2 scrollers, 32 line high Sinewave scroller (mode 4) ] *and* converted 128k spectrum soundtracker music... ] ] Nuff said :) (oh yeah, and all in a frame too) I _still_ think my 3-scroller (one in the border, one the entire graphics- screen (ie 192 lines) high and one multi-colour pretty-effect-type-thing with some background swirly stars _and_ some music, _ALL_ in a frame and _ALL_ in mode 4, is pretty neat. But that's just me... :) (And if anyone thinks they can optimise my 16-bit filler-code for the Acorn Risc-PC... but that's another story...) Geoff From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Apr 26 16:46:10 1995 From: goringgn Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 16:27:48 +0100 Message-Id: <4000.9504261527@sun.aston.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: To boldy optimise where no man has optimised before.. X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 103 Lines: 6 I volunteer to be given disks and disks of lovely stuff. I take that burden from you all. :) Graham From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Apr 26 16:59:40 1995 From: eraadr@scs.leeds.ac.uk Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 16:28:21 +0100 Message-Id: <12691.199504261528@csgi02.scs.leeds.ac.uk> To: sam-users%nvg.unit.no@gps.leeds.ac.uk Subject: Lift to Gloucester X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.0] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 321 Lines: 11 Hi! Is there someone who goes to the Format show from somewhere in northern England (Scotland would be fine too!) by car, and who would give me (and probably also Dan Doore, ...btw Dan you still want to go, won't you?) a lift? Of course I (we) would pay our share of the fuel costs. Thanks, very much! Cheers, Arne From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Apr 26 20:27:34 1995 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 19:28:07 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <8035@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sooo.... X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 473 Lines: 15 In message <9504251645.AA05106@central.surrey.ac.uk> Mr Andrew M Gale writes: > Did I hear murmurs about amplifying the SAMs sound through > a speaker in the quazar/eddac/samdac using a lead? I did - > but aren't the SAM audio signals present on the DIN41612? > I haven't got my tech manual with me..... > > > We used the Light pen port cos we were not using the DIN user port for it. If you recall, the Samplifier was just an amplifier. Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Apr 26 21:13:36 1995 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 20:21:38 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <8055@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Why? X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 480 Lines: 15 At the rusk of sounding like someone else, I know all these fancy scrollers are very clever, but what do they demonstrate? We are talking movements that follow a known law here. What about a random scroller? Or how about the letters of a word glying around and passing in front of each other, eventually making the word, then scrolling off to allow the next batch of letters to come in? No, I aint done it, but the mental pictures look nice.... Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Apr 27 09:32:38 1995 From: "Doore, Dan [MIS]" To: sam-users Cc: eraadr Subject: RE: Lift to Gloucester Date: Thu, 27 Apr 95 09:11:00 PDT Message-Id: <2F9FC2DA@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 22 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 564 Lines: 22 > Hi! > > Is there someone who goes to the Format show from somewhere in northern > England > (Scotland would be fine too!) by car, and who would give me (and probably also > Dan Doore, ...btw Dan you still want to go, won't you?) a lift? Yep I still want to go :)) In case people don't know Arne & myself are in Leeds (top place to be :) ) If we can't get a lift from Leeds, we could travel to further feilds such as Manchester and hitch a lift there:))) Dan. > Of course I (we) would pay our share of the fuel costs. > Thanks, very much! > > Cheers, Arne From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Apr 27 09:58:21 1995 From: Colin G Piggot Date: Thu, 27 Apr 95 09:42:16 BST Message-Id: <5070.9504270842@pasta.st-andrews.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: The Show Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 509 Lines: 10 See you all at the show! Colin P. __________________ __ ____ ___ ______________________ |cgp@st-and.ac.uk | /| | | | | / | | |\ |(C) Colin G. Piggot | |*****************| / | | | |__| / |___| | \ |----------------------| |*LAUNCHED AT THE*| / | | | | | / | | |__\ |*16* BIT SOUND STRIKES| |*GLOUCESTER SHOW*| / \ | |__| | | /___ | | | \ |THE SAM - LAUNCHED AT | |*****************| /___\|=======SURROUND=======| \ |___THE GLOUCESTER SHOW| From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Apr 27 10:04:13 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: To boldy optimise where no man has optimised before.. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 09:49:09 +0100 (BST) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <3859.9504261426@sun.aston.ac.uk> from "goringgn" at Apr 26, 95 03:26:46 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 794 Lines: 20 > Sod the techy stuff, what's the music from? I LOVE 128k converts! > > well, tellme tellme tellme! > > Graham - Who's looking forward to seeing Martijn Groen's latest demo at the show > Well... the music on /that/ one is from Toxic Elephant, but I've got a load of tunes converted from a Speccy Demo lying around... Including Cybernoid 2, Psycho Pigs UXB, RED LED, etc etc etc... Oh, and Beyond the Ice Palace (really nice Dave Whitaker tune) and Short Circuit... -- +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) ----+ | Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK | | Tel: +44 1942 886084 Fax: +44 1942 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc -------------------------------------+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Apr 27 10:05:22 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: To boldy optimise where no man has optimised before.. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 09:50:11 +0100 (BST) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: from "Mars Bar" at Apr 26, 95 03:49:08 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 785 Lines: 19 > I _still_ think my 3-scroller (one in the border, one the entire graphics- > screen (ie 192 lines) high and one multi-colour pretty-effect-type-thing > with some background swirly stars _and_ some music, _ALL_ in a frame and > _ALL_ in mode 4, is pretty neat. > > But that's just me... :) Geoff Winkless wins the hands-down darn fine scroller award 1995 :) (Having seen the demo, heard the music, watched the swirly stars etc etc, it's astounding...) Simon -- +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) ----+ | Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK | | Tel: +44 1942 886084 Fax: +44 1942 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc -------------------------------------+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Apr 27 10:06:49 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: To boldy optimise where no man has optimised before.. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 09:51:44 +0100 (BST) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <9504261451.AA02365@wwwlab.cern.ch> from "Frode Tenneboe" at Apr 26, 95 04:51:05 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1467 Lines: 42 > > > I've not released "statues of ice version 1.0 -- the corrupted source > > > disc" yet, but I think I may launch the MultiScroller at you guys... > > > > > > 2x32 line high mode 2 scrollers, 32 line high Sinewave scroller (mode 4) > > > *and* converted 128k spectrum soundtracker music... > > Come on....line-scrollers are just shifting of bits around. But they /are/ colourful :) > Re sinewave: Are the letters sprites? ;) Nope the letters aren't sprites :) > > > > > > Nuff said :) (oh yeah, and all in a frame too) > > ..on a twice as fast computer (with a four times bigger display, ok).. :) *grins* > > Sod the techy stuff, what's the music from? I LOVE 128k converts! > > > > well, tellme tellme tellme! > > > > Graham - Who's looking forward to seeing Martijn Groen's latest demo at the show > > > > Will there be a 'responsible-for-brining-back-all-the-demo-software- > from-the-show-and-putting-them-on-nvg' person? Well... I can start putting my old really shitty stuff up if you'd like to see it... some of the routines from Statues which are a bit (make that a lot) unpolished could go on there too... Simon -- +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) ----+ | Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK | | Tel: +44 1942 886084 Fax: +44 1942 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc -------------------------------------+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Apr 27 10:09:10 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Why? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 09:54:01 +0100 (BST) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <8055@bgserv.demon.co.uk> from "Brian Gaff Sam Dept." at Apr 26, 95 08:21:38 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1206 Lines: 29 > At the rusk of sounding like someone else, I know all these > fancy scrollers are very clever, but what do they demonstrate? Well... erm... good point :) > We are talking movements that follow a known law here. What > about a random scroller? > Or how about the letters of a word glying around and passing in > front of each other, eventually making the word, then scrolling > off to allow the next batch of letters to come in? > > No, I aint done it, but the mental pictures look nice.... I've got a sinewave scroller that kind of does that... makes the letters out of dots, wraps them like a ribbon round themselves... It was on FRED as part of "THE COOKIE JAR" bodge up. (Looked much nice in The Fred 18 Freebie Disc) I've got another one which scrolls back and forth through letters... can't remember where I got the idea from though. REmind me to put it up :) Simon -- +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) ----+ | Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK | | Tel: +44 1942 886084 Fax: +44 1942 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc -------------------------------------+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Apr 27 10:13:18 1995 Message-Id: From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Sooo.... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 09:55:40 +0100 (BST) Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <9504251647.AA05295@central.surrey.ac.uk> from "Mr Andrew M Gale" at Apr 25, 95 05:47:42 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 700 Lines: 16 > Is it really essential to decode the /M1 line for > i/o ports since the SAM runs in mode 1 interrupts? > I notice you have with the gemini, Simon - or was that > just because you had a spare /en line available? Er... partly because of the spare line, and also because it seems to be causing problems at times if you /don't/ do it... Anyway, ProDOS runs in Mode 2 :) Simon -- +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) ----+ | Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK | | Tel: +44 1942 886084 Fax: +44 1942 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!) | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc -------------------------------------+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Apr 27 11:15:10 1995 From: Mr Andrew M Gale Message-Id: <9504270956.AA26810@central.surrey.ac.uk> Subject: Re: To boldy optimise where no man has optimised before.. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 27 Apr 95 10:56:10 BST In-Reply-To: ; from "Simon Cooke" at Apr 27, 95 9:51 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 109 Lines: 5 Anymore of this demo-coding technique nonsense, and I shall have to put my 'Bob Brenchley' hat on....! -AG From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Apr 27 12:22:30 1995 From: David Zambonini To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 12:15:21 GMT Subject: Eeek! Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <15026C53B4@physx1s.cf.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 924 Lines: 24 Errmmm... since I'm into serious revision for my finals, I'm only coming in once a day to check messages.... Please excuse my lack of interactive discussion.. :) Did I say ANYTHING about demo coding? Nope.. I merely gave an example of optimisation.. I'll wait until I actually see some of the demos mentioned before I pass comment upon them, and neglecting the incredibly low-res spectrum mode screens (which I ignore :) ), would anyone like to actually give any methods used? What about sprite techniques like the LD (HL),r and PUSH rr methods? (To name just a few...) These DO NOT just apply to demos, btw.. :) DMZ === PS Please say nobody can improve on ~30000T states for an 8 pixel high full screen width very smooth sinewave scrolly :) Oh, and has anyone come up with the 40,000 way multilingual scrolly over a 2 billion colour display of rotating giraffes yet..? :) (or whatever it was?....) From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Apr 27 13:03:07 1995 From: "Doore, Dan [MIS]" To: sam-users Subject: Re: To boldy optimise where no man has optimised before.. Date: Thu, 27 Apr 95 12:37:00 PDT Message-Id: <2F9FF35B@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 18 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 323 Lines: 18 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > Anymore of this demo-coding technique nonsense, and > I shall have to put my 'Bob Brenchley' hat on....! A Bob Brenchley hat? You'd have to retrieve it from the clouds yourself.... Plus it would be too big >:->> Dan. > -AG > > From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Apr 27 13:58:32 1995 From: goringgn Date: Thu, 27 Apr 95 13:24:11 BST Message-Id: <19989.9504271224@sun.aston.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: To boldy optimise where no man has optimised before.. Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1209 Lines: 32 > From simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk Thu Apr 27 10:06 BST 1995 > Resent-Message-Id: <9504270906.AA25521@sun.aston.ac.uk> > Resent-From: goringgn@charlie.aston.ac.uk > Resent-To: goringgn@jumper.mcc.ac.uk > Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 95 10:05:29 +00 > From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) > Subject: Re: To boldy optimise where no man has optimised before.. > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 09:49:09 +0100 (BST) > Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) > > > Sod the techy stuff, what's the music from? I LOVE 128k converts! > > > > well, tellme tellme tellme! > > > > Graham - Who's looking forward to seeing Martijn Groen's latest demo at the show > > > > Well... the music on /that/ one is from Toxic Elephant, but I've got a > load of tunes converted from a Speccy Demo lying around... > > Including Cybernoid 2, Psycho Pigs UXB, RED LED, etc etc etc... > > Oh, and Beyond the Ice Palace (really nice Dave Whitaker tune) and Short > Circuit... AARGGGHHH!! Gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme (all hand typed, y'know!). Oh, and GGGIIIMMMMMMMMEEEEE! (at the show!) Graham - Old buddy old pal! ;) From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Apr 27 16:29:08 1995 From: gaw-a@ugrad.cs.york.ac.uk Message-Id: >From: gaw-a@minster.york.ac.uk (Mars Bar) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 16:10:35 +0100 In-Reply-To: simonc -- "Re: Sooo...." (Apr 27, 9:55am) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92 (ORBIT)) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sooo.... Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 383 Lines: 14 On Apr 27, 9:55am in "Re: Sooo....", you warbled: ] Er... partly because of the spare line, and also because it seems to be ] causing problems at times if you /don't/ do it... Anyway, ProDOS runs in ] Mode 2 :) Along with the rest of the world, except Sinclair. *sigh* Mode 2 was _so_ nice. Why stick with such a foul implementation of interrupts left over from intel? Geoff From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Apr 28 09:54:29 1995 From: frodet@www1.cern.ch (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9504280817.AA16071@wwwlab.cern.ch> Subject: Re: Eeek! To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 10:17:05 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: <15026C53B4@physx1s.cf.ac.uk> from "David Zambonini" at Apr 27, 95 12:15:21 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1474 Lines: 48 > Did I say ANYTHING about demo coding? > Nope.. I merely gave an example of optimisation.. Did you? I though you said something about a 32 pixel high sinewave scroller and some music playing...that sounds like a demo to me. :) > I'll wait until I actually see some of the demos mentioned before I > pass comment upon them, and neglecting the incredibly low-res > spectrum mode screens (which I ignore :) ), would anyone like to > actually give any methods used? Low res? The SAM has not got any higher resoluton, except from mode 3 which nobody seems to be using for anything but text anyway. Oh..you mean it has got more bit-palnes? :) > What about sprite techniques like the LD (HL),r and PUSH rr methods? > (To name just a few...) > These DO NOT just apply to demos, btw.. :) Actually...I wrote a generic sprite-routine in just 80 bytes ones....... > > DMZ > === > > PS Please say nobody can improve on ~30000T states for an 8 pixel > high full screen width very smooth sinewave scrolly :) That's about 14.7 T-states per pixel in mode 4. With tables, this should be possible :) > > Oh, and has anyone come up with the 40,000 way multilingual scrolly > over a 2 billion colour display of rotating giraffes yet..? :) > (or whatever it was?....) I don't know enough langauges ;) -Frode There is always a way! -- Frode Tenneboe, ECP/PT, CERN, CH-1211 Geneva 23, Switzerland frodet@www.cern.ch http://www.himolde.no/~frodet From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Apr 28 09:54:33 1995 From: frodet@www1.cern.ch (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9504280823.AA16100@wwwlab.cern.ch> Subject: Re: To boldy optimise where no man has optimised before.. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 10:23:31 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: from "Simon Cooke" at Apr 27, 95 09:51:44 am Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 905 Lines: 35 > > Come on....line-scrollers are just shifting of bits around. > > But they /are/ colourful :) So is my scarf. :) > > > Re sinewave: Are the letters sprites? ;) > > Nope the letters aren't sprites :) Mine are :) > > ..on a twice as fast computer (with a four times bigger display, ok).. :) > > *grins* And when do we get a 6 times faster, 4 times bigger display? :) > > Will there be a 'responsible-for-brining-back-all-the-demo-software- > > from-the-show-and-putting-them-on-nvg' person? > > Well... I can start putting my old really shitty stuff up if you'd like > to see it... some of the routines from Statues which are a bit (make that > a lot) unpolished could go on there too... Sure! Oh! Did I meantion that I will not come to the show? *sigh* -Frode -- Frode Tenneboe, ECP/PT, CERN, CH-1211 Geneva 23, Switzerland frodet@www.cern.ch http://www.himolde.no/~frodet From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Apr 28 10:26:27 1995 From: Johnathan Taylor Date: 26 Apr 95 21:42:35 +0000 Subject: Suggestion! Message-Id: <417_9504262300@centron.com> Organization: CC-NET BBS To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 763 Lines: 23 On (26 Apr 95) SPX3DMZ@cardiff.ac.uk wrote to All... DZ> From: David Zambonini DZ> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 00:25:52 GMT DZ> Why doesn't everybody from the SAM mailing list go to the show DZ> wearing a large fluorescent green hat for easy identification? :) I won't out of principle, ie the principle that there's no public or private transport within sensible distance from where I am, nothing to do with the availability of large flourescent green hats or anything against wearing such disgusting colour;-) Johnathan. ... Major isn't doing his job -- I still have a few pounds left! -- |Fidonet: Johnathan Taylor 2:2501/307.9 |Internet: jet@centron.com | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Apr 28 10:39:59 1995 From: goringgn Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 10:34:33 +0100 Message-Id: <5688.9504280934@sun.aston.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Suggestion! X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 230 Lines: 6 Aha! I will probably wear a large bowler hat with the british flag on it, so it'll be easy to find me. Y'see I saw them for sale real cheap at a shop just over the road from my flat and they look kinda tasteless. Mmmm... Graham From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Apr 28 11:05:29 1995 From: Tim Paveley Message-Id: <11899.9504280955@picasso.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Suggestion! To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 10:55:03 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <5688.9504280934@sun.aston.ac.uk> from "goringgn" at Apr 28, 95 10:34:33 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 316 Lines: 9 To Quote goringgn : > Aha! I will probably wear a large bowler hat with the british flag on it, so > it'll be easy to find me. > Y'see I saw them for sale real cheap at a shop just over the road from my flat > and they look kinda tasteless. Mmmm... Great! How much are they, and are you taking orders? Tim ....@/ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Apr 28 11:31:50 1995 From: goringgn Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 11:11:07 +0100 Message-Id: <5822.9504281011@sun.aston.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Suggestion! X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 442 Lines: 19 Me speekin' today... > > Aha! I will probably wear a large bowler hat with the british flag on it, so > > it'll be easy to find me. > > Y'see I saw them for sale real cheap at a shop just over the road from my flat > > and they look kinda tasteless. Mmmm... Tim speekin' okay? > Great! How much are they, and are you taking orders? > > Tim ....@/ > Sure, they're 79p, and are made of low quality, less that durable, plastic. Graham From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Apr 28 11:34:58 1995 From: Tim Paveley Message-Id: <12143.9504281032@picasso.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Suggestion! To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 11:32:46 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <5822.9504281011@sun.aston.ac.uk> from "goringgn" at Apr 28, 95 11:11:07 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 152 Lines: 6 To Quote goringgn : > Sure, they're 79p, and are made of low quality, less that durable, plastic. Excellent! I'll put in an order for one! Tim ....@/ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Apr 28 11:42:20 1995 From: goringgn Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 11:40:30 +0100 Message-Id: <5910.9504281040@sun.aston.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Suggestion! X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 312 Lines: 11 > To Quote goringgn : > > Sure, they're 79p, and are made of low quality, less that durable, plastic. > > Excellent! I'll put in an order for one! > > Tim ....@/ Okay, I'll be at the show with a spare. Um, any1 else want to indulge themselves and buy the fashion sensation that's sweeping the nation? Graham From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Apr 28 16:44:52 1995 From: David Zambonini To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 16:36:42 GMT Subject: Re: Eeek! Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <3161C8528C@physx1s.cf.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1948 Lines: 62 DMZ> > Did I say ANYTHING about demo coding? > > Nope.. I merely gave an example of optimisation.. > FT > Did you? I though you said something about a 32 pixel high > sinewave scroller and some music playing...that sounds like > a demo to me. :) DMZ Nonsense. Some very good business software has been written like that.. :) > > I'll wait until I actually see some of the demos mentioned before I > > pass comment upon them, and neglecting the incredibly low-res > > spectrum mode screens (which I ignore :) ), would anyone like > > to actually give any methods used? > > Low res? The SAM has not got any higher resoluton, except from > mode 3 which nobody seems to be using for anything but text > anyway. Oh..you mean it has got more bit-palnes? :) I know what I mean.. :) You're totally right.. what AM I saying? :) > > What about sprite techniques like the LD (HL),r and PUSH rr methods? > > (To name just a few...) > > These DO NOT just apply to demos, btw.. :) > > Actually...I wrote a generic sprite-routine in just 80 bytes > ones....... Oooh. > > PS Please say nobody can improve on ~30000T states for an 8 pixel > > high full screen width very smooth sinewave scrolly :) > > That's about 14.7 T-states per pixel in mode 4. With tables, > this should be possible :) Aha.. what I neglected to mention was that it's about 7.4 T-states per pixel, and a base 15000T calculation for the main spinal routine... See some of you tommorrow! ( I hope ) DMZ === > > > > Oh, and has anyone come up with the 40,000 way multilingual scrolly > > over a 2 billion colour display of rotating giraffes yet..? :) > > (or whatever it was?....) > > I don't know enough langauges ;) > > -Frode > > There is always a way! > > -- > Frode Tenneboe, ECP/PT, CERN, CH-1211 Geneva 23, Switzerland > frodet@www.cern.ch http://www.himolde.no/~frodet > From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Apr 28 17:10:04 1995 From: frodet@www1.cern.ch (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9504281604.AA16915@wwwlab.cern.ch> Subject: Re: Eeek! To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 18:04:15 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: <3161C8528C@physx1s.cf.ac.uk> from "David Zambonini" at Apr 28, 95 04:36:42 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1246 Lines: 38 > FT > Did you? I though you said something about a 32 pixel high > > sinewave scroller and some music playing...that sounds like > > a demo to me. :) > > DMZ Nonsense. Some very good business software has been written > like that.. :) I was never paid much for my stuff....not a very good-for-business piece of software then I'd say... > > Low res? The SAM has not got any higher resoluton, except from > > mode 3 which nobody seems to be using for anything but text > > anyway. Oh..you mean it has got more bit-palnes? :) > > I know what I mean.. :) You're totally right.. what AM I saying? :) You are sure about that? > > That's about 14.7 T-states per pixel in mode 4. With tables, > > this should be possible :) > > Aha.. what I neglected to mention was that it's about 7.4 T-states > per pixel, and a base 15000T calculation for the main spinal > routine... 15000T for a spinal routine? That sounds as an excessive amount of time. And 7.4 T pr pixel...come on, you can do better than that! :) > See some of you tommorrow! ( I hope ) *sob* Not me, you will! :( Cheers -Frode -- Frode Tenneboe, ECP/PT, CERN, CH-1211 Geneva 23, Switzerland frodet@www.cern.ch http://www.himolde.no/~frodet From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Apr 28 17:13:31 1995 From: David Zambonini To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 16:31:06 GMT Subject: Re: Suggestion! Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <3149D921B3@physx1s.cf.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 441 Lines: 16 > > To Quote goringgn : > > > Sure, they're 79p, and are made of low quality, less that durable, plastic. > > > > Excellent! I'll put in an order for one! > > > > Tim ....@/ > > Okay, I'll be at the show with a spare. Um, any1 else want to indulge themselves > and buy the fashion sensation that's sweeping the nation? > > Graham > Yes! Me me me me me me me!... to coin a phrase.. :) DMZ (I hope you read this before tommorow :) ) === From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Apr 28 20:14:04 1995 Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 18:22:35 GMT From: "Brian Gaff Sam Dept." Message-Id: <8107@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: So maybe mugs then? X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 130 Lines: 7 So how about the Bob Mug, or the Colin paperweight? Merchandising, thats where the money is! :-) Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sat Apr 29 12:38:25 1995 From: frodet@www1.cern.ch (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9504291136.AA17805@wwwlab.cern.ch> Subject: Re: So maybe mugs then? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 29 Apr 1995 13:36:30 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: <8107@bgserv.demon.co.uk> from "Brian Gaff Sam Dept." at Apr 28, 95 06:22:35 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 371 Lines: 15 > > So how about the Bob Mug, or the Colin paperweight? > Merchandising, thats where the money is! :-) You mean mug Bob? But has he got lotsa money then? > Brian -Frode "I've got the brains, you got the looks; let's make lotsa money..." -- Frode Tenneboe, ECP/PT, CERN, CH-1211 Geneva 23, Switzerland frodet@www.cern.ch http://www.himolde.no/~frodet From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sat Apr 29 13:11:24 1995 From: gaw-a@ugrad.cs.york.ac.uk Message-Id: >From: gaw-a@minster.york.ac.uk (Mars Bar) Date: Sat, 29 Apr 1995 13:05:51 +0100 In-Reply-To: frodet -- "Re: So maybe mugs then?" (Apr 29, 1:36pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92 (ORBIT)) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: So maybe mugs then? Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 336 Lines: 13 On Apr 29, 1:36pm in "Re: So maybe mugs then?", Frode warbled: ] -Frode "I've got the brains, you got the looks; let's make ] lotsa money..." Please! Lots Of... , not lotsa, Actually. 'Dis Go get it Very right, or I'll be Relentless in my Behaviour... And I couldn't get Introspective in there however hard I tried... :) Geoff From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sat Apr 29 13:15:59 1995 From: frodet@www1.cern.ch (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9504291215.AA18199@wwwlab.cern.ch> Subject: Re: So maybe mugs then? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 29 Apr 1995 14:14:59 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: from "Mars Bar" at Apr 29, 95 01:05:51 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 631 Lines: 22 > > On Apr 29, 1:36pm in "Re: So maybe mugs then?", Frode warbled: > ] -Frode "I've got the brains, you got the looks; let's make > ] lotsa money..." > > Please! Lots Of... , not lotsa, Actually. 'Dis Go get it Very right, or > I'll be Relentless in my Behaviour... > > And I couldn't get Introspective in there however hard I tried... Come on: "...in my Introspective Behaviour..." You should also remember sequels "Dis Go too get...." > Geoff Why are you not at the show? - Lotsa Frode!!!! -- Frode Tenneboe, ECP/PT, CERN, CH-1211 Geneva 23, Switzerland frodet@www.cern.ch http://www.himolde.no/~frodet From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sat Apr 29 13:41:20 1995 From: gaw-a@ugrad.cs.york.ac.uk Message-Id: >From: gaw-a@minster.york.ac.uk (Mars Bar) Date: Sat, 29 Apr 1995 13:36:30 +0100 In-Reply-To: frodet -- "Re: So maybe mugs then?" (Apr 29, 2:14pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92 (ORBIT)) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: So maybe mugs then? Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 314 Lines: 11 On Apr 29, 2:14pm in "Re: So maybe mugs then?", Frode warbled: ] Why are you not at the show? because Gloucester is too far away, because I am 100 UKP over my 800UKP "absolute maximum" overdraft limit, because I'm saving all my money to go to the Acorn User show, which is, in fact, next week :) *sigh* Geoff From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sun Apr 30 09:51:11 1995 From: gaw-a@ugrad.cs.york.ac.uk Message-Id: >From: gaw-a@minster.york.ac.uk (Mars Bar) Date: Sun, 30 Apr 1995 09:42:12 +0100 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92 (ORBIT)) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: so... Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 26 Lines: 4 How was the show? Geoff