From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sat Jul 1 10:57:10 1995 Date: Sat, 01 Jul 1995 10:51:40 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <9516@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: but who will row the boat? X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 96 Lines: 8 And some of us never went to university at all of course! :-) Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Jul 11 09:21:56 1995 From: "Doore, Dan [MIS]" To: sam-users Subject: Upload to nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 11 Jul 95 09:17:00 PDT Message-Id: <3002A446@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 30 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 878 Lines: 30 I have uploaded the following to 'incoming' at nvg: Misc. Banzai Stuff ------------------ The files in this ZIP file are in Rumsoft .PAK format, i.e. load them at 32000 and CALL 32000 to extract, you will need about 93K free on disc. Contents: Megalace Demo - MODE3 Interlaced screen demo Lottery - UK National Lottery number selector :) GTF Morph - Girl-to-frog morphing demo The ban_misc.txt is wrong (I uploaded the wrong version - it's too early in the morning!) in that it shows my inability to add up the file sizes (Should be 93K, and not 120K) and my typing skills when it comes to typing 'GTF' (not very good). I wonder how many people will be about next year? Dan. Dan Doore - Operations Head Pod & Dogsbody 'No job too trivial' --- SMTP:d.j.doore@lmu.ac.uk MailSig 1.6 - Chalkboard: "I am not a 32 year old woman." From imc Tue Jul 11 11:12:09 1995 Subject: Re: Upload to nvg.unit.no To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 11 Jul 95 11:12:09 BST In-Reply-To: <3002A446@courier.lmu.ac.uk>; from "Doore, Dan [MIS]" at Jul 11, 95 9:17 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 413 Lines: 12 On Tue, 11 Jul 95 09:17:00 PDT, Doore, Dan [MIS] said: > Megalace Demo - MODE3 Interlaced screen demo I've seen a MODE3 interlaced screen demo (maybe it was the same one) and it looked _worse_ than ordinary mode 3 to me. The Sam does not display interlaced screens, so it's pointless to attempt anything like this. > I wonder how many people will be about next year? Well I will for a start... imc From imc Tue Jul 11 11:13:50 1995 Subject: Re: smtp mail delivery failure To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 11 Jul 95 11:13:50 BST In-Reply-To: ; from "postmaster@ugrad.cs.york.ac.uk" at Jul 11, 95 10:45 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 203 Lines: 5 Would someone like to explain what that was all about?! I hope it's been fixed now. Why would the bounce message go to the whole group instead of just the list owner or the sender of the message? imc From imc Tue Jul 11 11:16:04 1995 Subject: In living colour... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 11 Jul 95 11:16:04 BST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 288 Lines: 7 I finally got a new 4.433619MHz crystal yesterday and replaced the old one in my sam. As if by magic, the sam sprang into colour. Now, can someone tell me what could possibly go wrong with a crystal? (If I sent them my old one would they be able to test it and see what's wrong?) imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Jul 11 11:50:59 1995 From: "Doore, Dan [MIS]" To: sam-users Subject: Re: Upload to nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 11 Jul 95 11:48:00 PDT Message-Id: <3002C78F@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 25 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 843 Lines: 25 > On Tue, 11 Jul 95 09:17:00 PDT, Doore, Dan [MIS] said: > > Megalace Demo - MODE3 Interlaced screen demo > > I've seen a MODE3 interlaced screen demo (maybe it was the same one) and > it looked _worse_ than ordinary mode 3 to me. The Sam does not display > interlaced screens, so it's pointless to attempt anything like this. So what if it looks bad, it was something to do. I had quite a bit of fun playing around with the interlace routine, fake it may be but that's not the point of the exercise; there is no point so to speak of since it is something that *I* wanted to mess around with and I do not need to justify my actions. BTW: I've told Arnt about the problems with sam-users. Dan. Dan Doore - Operations Head Pod & Dogsbody 'No job too trivial' --- SMTP:d.j.doore@lmu.ac.uk MailSig 1.6 - "Aye, Carumba!" - Bart From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Jul 11 11:57:31 1995 Message-Id: <21382.9507111055@rs6-233.cls-4.bcc.ac.uk> Subject: Re: smtp mail delivery failure To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 11:55:21 +0100 (BST) From: Mr Keith Turner In-Reply-To: <9507111013.AA03829@boothp1.ecs.ox.ac.uk> from "Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk" at Jul 11, 95 12:13:50 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 560 Lines: 16 > Would someone like to explain what that was all about?! I hope it's been > fixed now. Why would the bounce message go to the whole group instead of > just the list owner or the sender of the message? I suspect a badly configured mail-hub. I phoned PostMaster@york and asked if they would refrain from bouncing messages to the list until Frode (or whoever) unsubscribes gaw-a. If the bounces keep coming, does anybody want to know how to fake unsubscribe messages. ;) I wouldn't want to do it from here, as it's not really my job to hack York! / To: sam-users Subject: RE: In living colour... Date: Tue, 11 Jul 95 12:03:00 PDT Message-Id: <3002CAF9@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 22 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 633 Lines: 22 > I finally got a new 4.433619MHz crystal yesterday and replaced the old > one in my sam. As if by magic, the sam sprang into colour. > > Now, can someone tell me what could possibly go wrong with a crystal? (If I > sent them my old one would they be able to test it and see what's wrong?) The only thing I can think of is that it was dead, that would shoot the colour timing to buggery and therefore a b&w screen. I've heard of crystals breaking down, but that's usually due to damage by high voltages, temperatures or physical damage. Dan. Let's hope we don't get a thousand messages from York with this one :) > imc > From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Jul 11 12:19:47 1995 Message-Id: X-Sender: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 12:03:18 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no (SAM users mailing list) From: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 382 Lines: 8 list subscribe geoffw@jumper.mcc.ac.uk unsubscribe gaw-a@ugrad.cs.york.ac.uk +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) -+ | Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK | | Tel: (01942) 886084 Fax: (01942) 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!)| +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc ----------------------------------+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Jul 11 13:55:16 1995 Message-Id: <28710.9507111252@rs6-233.cls-4.bcc.ac.uk> Subject: Re: smtp mail delivery failure (fwd) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 13:52:12 +0100 (BST) From: Mr Keith Turner X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 863 Lines: 26 The postmaster at York was very helpful. Could somebody at nvg.unit.no tell him how/whether to unsubscribe gaw-a? / From dss@minster.york.ac.uk Tue Jul 11 12:11:01 1995 > Delivery-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 12:11:01 +0100 > From: dss@minster.york.ac.uk > Date: Tue, 11 Jul 95 12:00:55 > Message-ID: > To: ccaakrt@ucl.ac.uk > Subject: Re: smtp mail delivery failure (fwd) > > Thanks for the info. I have killed off those messages that have appeared > in the mail queue over the last 15 minutes, and I have now arranged for > any new messages to be diverted elsewhere rather than bounced back. > > If you can tell me the way in which to unsubscribe from this list I will > arrange for such a message to be sent from our now-departed user. > > Dave Snowden > Postmaster@minster.york.ac.uk > > From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Jul 11 14:17:46 1995 From: frodet@www1.cern.ch (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9507111314.AA11892@wwwlab.cern.ch> Subject: unsubscribe gaw-a To: majordomo@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 15:14:08 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: gaw-a@minster.cs.york.ac.uk, sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 463 Lines: 18 unsubscribe sam-users gaw-a@minster.york.ac.uk This should do it. Thanks to the one who spoke to york. BTW: This will probably be my last message from this account. Hopefully, I'll be back with a new account sometime in august. See you then..... Ciao Arrivirdechi Au revoir Auf Wiedersehen (and just in case I won't make it: Adieu) -- Frode Tenneboe, ECP/PT, CERN, CH-1211 Geneva 23, Switzerland frodet@www.cern.ch http://www.himolde.no/~frodet From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Jul 11 14:46:23 1995 From: agulbra@troll.no Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 15:38:45 +0200 Message-Id: <29559.1930.805469925@pentagram.troll.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "Doore, Dan [MIS]" Cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Something bad is occuring... In-Reply-To: <3002BA1B@courier.lmu.ac.uk> (by D.J.Doore@lmu.ac.uk) References: <3002BA1B@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 467 Lines: 13 > I sent a mail to the sam-users mailing list, and it now seems to be stuck in > a loop because it is trying to mail gaw-a@student1.cs.york.ac.uk ... Quite. Have I spoken my mind about these crappy mailers before? He's off the list, and people, please do unsubscribe if you're about to lose your account. Please do not trust the machines to manage it, particularly not if your mail system is terminally broken. Thanks to the three people who warned me. --Arnt From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Jul 11 15:30:48 1995 Message-Id: X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 15:20:21 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: simon.cooke@umist.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Upload to nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 653 Lines: 18 >I wonder how many people will be about next year? > I think I'll be on here forever more... I've got a freebie account at the Uni of Manchester, thanks to an old friend (may he rest in peace). :) Cool, huh? Simon +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) -+ | Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK | | Tel: (01942) 886084 Fax: (01942) 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!)| +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc ----------------------------------+ ANNOUNCING the Your Sinclair WWW Archive: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc/ys Warning: Currently under construction in some places From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Jul 11 15:34:34 1995 Message-Id: X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 15:20:23 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: simon.cooke@umist.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: RE: In living colour... Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 800 Lines: 19 >The only thing I can think of is that it was dead, that would shoot the >colour timing >to buggery and therefore a b&w screen. > >I've heard of crystals breaking down, but that's usually due to damage by >high >voltages, temperatures or physical damage. maybe it was a bad batch that SAMCo (and no doubt many other companies around the world) bought.... Simon +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) -+ | Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK | | Tel: (01942) 886084 Fax: (01942) 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!)| +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc ----------------------------------+ ANNOUNCING the Your Sinclair WWW Archive: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc/ys Warning: Currently under construction in some places From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Jul 11 16:51:54 1995 From: "Doore, Dan [MIS]" To: sam-users Subject: RE: In living colour... Date: Tue, 11 Jul 95 15:48:00 PDT Message-Id: <30030DAB@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 22 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 629 Lines: 22 > >The only thing I can think of is that it was dead, that would shoot the > >colour timing > >to buggery and therefore a b&w screen. > > > >I've heard of crystals breaking down, but that's usually due to damage by > >high > >voltages, temperatures or physical damage. > > maybe it was a bad batch that SAMCo (and no doubt many other companies > around the world) bought.... Call me a cynic, but why does that sound the most plausible explanation? Dan. Dan Doore - Operations Head Pod & Dogsbody 'No job too trivial' --- SMTP:d.j.doore@lmu.ac.uk MailSig 1.6 - "Give a hoot. Read a book." - Krusty in Krusty Gets Busted From imc Tue Jul 11 16:57:45 1995 Subject: RE: In living colour... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 11 Jul 95 16:57:45 BST In-Reply-To: <30030DAB@courier.lmu.ac.uk>; from "Doore, Dan [MIS]" at Jul 11, 95 3:48 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 835 Lines: 20 On Tue, 11 Jul 95 15:48:00 PDT, Doore, Dan [MIS] said: > > maybe it was a bad batch that SAMCo (and no doubt many other companies > > around the world) bought.... > Call me a cynic, but why does that sound the most plausible explanation? In that case, could SamCo (in theory) get the defective goods replaced free of charge? Anyway, where are all these people who complained of black-and-white Sams? They should now know that the crystal is a probable source of the problem. It costs about #1.20 if I remember correctly and you can get them from Farnell or Maplin. My parents got mine from the local electronics shop, but the shop had to order it from Farnell. There is, infuriatingly, no local electronics shop[*] anywhere near Oxford. imc [*] Except Tandy, but the most complicated things they seem to sell are resistors! From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Jul 12 07:40:37 1995 Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 06:59:21 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <9683@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: smtp mail delivery failure X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 210 Lines: 8 Crystals do ago. In the early days of colour TV, one type of crystal was always doing it. I think it is if the unit is not sealed and oxide forms on the connections internally. Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Jul 12 12:22:44 1995 Message-Id: X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 11:59:54 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: simon.cooke@umist.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: RE: In living colour... Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 713 Lines: 18 >[*] Except Tandy, but the most complicated things they seem to sell are > resistors! You managed to get something as complex as a /resistor/ from Tandys?!!!??!! And did they ask you to explain exactly what a resistor was first? :) (I'm surprised they managed it) Simon +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) -+ | Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK | | Tel: (01942) 886084 Fax: (01942) 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!)| +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc ----------------------------------+ ANNOUNCING the Your Sinclair WWW Archive: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc/ys Warning: Currently under construction in some places From imc Wed Jul 12 12:26:51 1995 Subject: RE: In living colour... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 12 Jul 95 12:26:51 BST In-Reply-To: ; from "Simon Cooke" at Jul 12, 95 11:59 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 507 Lines: 13 On Wed, 12 Jul 1995 11:59:54 +0100, Simon Cooke said: > You managed to get something as complex as a /resistor/ from Tandys?!!!??!! > And did they ask you to explain exactly what a resistor was first? :) No - I only had to get them off the shelf and give them to the cashier. Though one time when I went in to get a 1.25A fuse for my video the assistant harrassed me and asked me what I wanted so I said "I need to replace this; it says `T1.25A' on it" and he gave me a packet that said "125 mA"... imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Jul 12 12:59:37 1995 From: "Doore, Dan [MIS]" To: sam-users Subject: Unashamed Tandy Bashing (Was:'RE: In living colour...') Date: Wed, 12 Jul 95 12:43:00 PDT Message-Id: <30042602@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 31 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 788 Lines: 31 > >[*] Except Tandy, but the most complicated things they seem to sell are > > resistors! > > You managed to get something as complex as a /resistor/ from Tandys?!!!??!! > > And did they ask you to explain exactly what a resistor was first? :) > > (I'm surprised they managed it) So am I! My sister (not the most technical lass on the planet) went to Tandy to ask about a new CD player and said 'Tell me about it's features', the 14 year-old spotty assistant then said 'Well, this is the volume knob, and it goes up to here which is quite loud' Tandy are truely unbelievable, their incompetence seems to know no earthly bounds. Dan. Dan Doore - Operations Head Pod & Dogsbody 'No job too trivial' --- SMTP:d.j.doore@lmu.ac.uk MailSig 1.6 - "Aye, aye, mamba-man." - Bart From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jul 14 18:33:24 1995 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 18:30:57 +0100 (BST) From: Tim Wells X-Sender: tgw1001@blue.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: RE: In living colour... In-Reply-To: <9507121126.AA06027@boothp1.ecs.ox.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1463 Lines: 31 On Wed, 12 Jul 1995 Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk wrote: > On Wed, 12 Jul 1995 11:59:54 +0100, Simon Cooke said: > > You managed to get something as complex as a /resistor/ from Tandys?!!!??!! > > > And did they ask you to explain exactly what a resistor was first? :) > > No - I only had to get them off the shelf and give them to the cashier. > > Though one time when I went in to get a 1.25A fuse for my video the > assistant harrassed me and asked me what I wanted so I said "I need to > replace this; it says `T1.25A' on it" and he gave me a packet that said > "125 mA"... Yes, I've had similar problems getting things from them. Fortunately my home town of Leeds has a Maplins store, so I save up all the non-urgent repairs/projects until I visit my parents :-) Anyway to change the subject, I've spent the last few days messing around with Pro-Dos. I bought Wordstar cheaply - got massive manual and disk, all still shrink wrapped - Some company had bought up a pile of DEC Rainbows and piles of associated software and was getting rid of it all. Anyway, getting the program onto the SAM was no problem - I used 22disk on one of the college's PCs. The Wordstar program itself works fine, but the installation program was restricted to only allowing configuration for a DEC Rainbow. So I've spent a while with the manual, patching the program by hand. What fun! ====================== Tim Wells ======================= From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sun Jul 16 10:57:51 1995 Date: Sun, 16 Jul 1995 11:01:51 +0100 (BST) From: Tim Wells To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: RE: In living colour... X-Sender: tgw1001@imap.hermes.cam.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <9736@bgserv.demon.co.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 903 Lines: 19 > No Wordstar! I believe I have seen a config hack somewhere. > Anyway, we had the same troubles, we had a Kaypro version. > > It seems quite slow, but as you say, it works fine, it was what > Chris used as one of his test programs. When you get the patch > locations, it would be useful to post them where other CP/M > users can see them, maybe someone already has! All the patch locations are listed in the manual - it's just a case of matching the brief descriptions of the required codes in the manual to the Pro-Dos control codes, which is not always the easiest of tasks. The manual quite surprised me really - being a big A4 file about 3 inches thick, especially compared to the one 5.25" program disk that came with it! Anyway, the company I got WS from had a selection of other stuff that I might investigate. ================== Tim Wells - ================== From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Jul 17 05:00:46 1995 Date: Mon, 17 Jul 95 05:59:56 -0700 From: "A.D.R." Organization: Uridium-CyberStation X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2b1 (Windows; I; 16bit) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no, mc8189@mclink.it Subject: LINUX for Z80.... Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="-------------------------------105491885613712" Message-Id: <9507170556.aa11519@ax433.mclink.it> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1509 Lines: 42 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---------------------------------105491885613712 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This is what I found in comp.os.linux.answers in the Linux Projects Map LPM post... Look at the Remarks1 line !!!!!! Cheers, Arne ---------------------------------105491885613712 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain ------------------------------- snip ------------------------------- Title: ELKS (Embeddable Linux Kernel Subset) - Linux 8086 Desc1: Linux core running on [initially] 8086 hardware with Desc2: 64K split I/D binaries Desc3: Desc4: Desc5: Author: Alan Cox and others AuthorEmail: elks@www.linux.org.uk InfoSources1: Usual DOS documentation 8) InfoSources2: Web page http://www.linux.org.uk/Linux8086.html InfoSources3: Assistance: see Remarks3-5 CurrentStat: Working on C compiler and libs; building a Linux8086 binary emulator ETA: Depends on compiler availability and number of hackers involved. Remarks1: Longer term target embeddable Z80 and 6809 kernels Remarks2: [See Dave Braun's UZI before dismissing as impossible..] Remarks3: People willing to donate a working _free_ 8086 C compiler Remarks4: with source. Or to help with porting an existing 68000 Remarks5: compiler. General kernel hackers, 8086 assembler hackers. Entered: 09 Jun 1995 ---------------------------------105491885613712-- From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sun Jul 23 20:56:51 1995 Date: Sun, 23 Jul 1995 20:54:26 +0100 (BST) From: Tim Wells X-Sender: tgw1001@puce.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Pet hate number 1001 - MasterBasic compatibility Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1000 Lines: 20 A thousand curses on all those people who poke their code straight into the system heap on the SAM. It causes no end of problems with MBAS - I think it puts a short bit of code in there. The reason I'm annoyed is that I've downloaded some bits and pieces from nvg, in particular those .lcb compressed files, and tried to uncompress them. On loading up the library program, various BASIC lines kept failing syntax - indicating something was wrong. I found it poked code into 16384 and cursed. So I dug out an old disk with Samdos2 on - program still failed. Eventually I got the program to work with MasterDOS on its own, although it wasn't really worth the hassle in the end. However if you're writing a utility of any sort, please use the method of reserving space in the Heap, rather than just plonk your code in at 16384. It's a hassle, but it makes life much easier for those of us who do use MBASIC. ====================== Tim Wells ======================= From imc Mon Jul 24 11:31:30 1995 Subject: Re: Pet hate number 1001 - MasterBasic compatibility To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 24 Jul 95 11:31:30 BST In-Reply-To: ; from "Tim Wells" at Jul 23, 95 8:54 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 834 Lines: 17 On Sun, 23 Jul 1995 20:54:26 +0100 (BST), Tim Wells said: > A thousand curses on all those people who poke their code straight into > the system heap on the SAM. This irks me as well, though I have never used MBasic. Naturally the utilities that I have written all use the documented interface to the system heap, and reserve utility slots in high memory as described by the technical manual. However, some programs that shall remain nameless just stuff their code in there, making sure that the machine crashes at the earliest opportunity. What's more, they don't tell anyone that the stuff is in there so it doesn't matter which order you load the blasted things in. Unless, that is, you load the offending utility first and manually inspect the heap to see how much it used before poking the appropriate system variable. imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Jul 24 12:46:28 1995 From: "Doore, Dan [MIS]" To: sam-users Subject: Re: Pet hate number 1001 - MasterBasic compatibility Date: Mon, 24 Jul 95 12:43:00 PDT Message-Id: <3013F804@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 25 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 879 Lines: 25 > > A thousand curses on all those people who poke their code straight into > > the system heap on the SAM. > > This irks me as well, though I have never used MBasic. Naturally the > utilities that I have written all use the documented interface to the > system heap, and reserve utility slots in high memory as described by > the technical manual. > > However, some programs that shall remain nameless just stuff their code in > there, making sure that the machine crashes at the earliest opportunity. It this why certain programs and utilities crash horribly when loaded one after the other? I have resorted to resetting my sam after doing anything involving M/Code as this seems to be the only safe way to do it. Dan. Dan Doore - Operations Head Pod & Dogsbody 'No job too trivial' --- SMTP: d.j.doore@lmu.ac.uk MailSig 1.6 - Homer's Mmmms: [2F33] something (generic) From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Jul 26 15:11:55 1995 From: "Doore, Dan [MIS]" To: sam-users Subject: Upload to nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 26 Jul 95 15:07:00 PDT Message-Id: <3016BCDE@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 33 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 799 Lines: 33 SpecTiles 1.2 By Dan Doore -------------------------- This is the version I could never get working due to the interrupt music player crashing the mouse driver, but a handy bit of info came my way the other day and bingo- bango, it works! It's not too much different from the original, bar the music and a few minor changes to the code. The file is a Rumsoft .PAK file, so either: a) Use the Unpacker software or b) Load the code at 32000 and CALL 32000 I stole the e-tracker tune off a disc of about 40 tunes, so I have no real idea who wrote the tune, but I *think* it was Craig Turberfield. Dan. Dan Doore - Operations Head Pod & Dogsbody 'No job too trivial' --- SMTP: d.j.doore@lmu.ac.uk MailSig 1.6 - "Holey moley, the bastard's rich!"- Homer, seeing his brother's mansion. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jul 28 14:22:53 1995 Message-Id: <199507281321.PAA18685@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> Subject: Andrew Collier's Text Editor... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 14:20:54 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1073 Lines: 29 HI all.. Anybody else downloaded the text editor from the FTP site? No save option I'm afraid, but here's a review: Points in its favour: 1) Nice and intelligent word wrap 2() Mouse control 3) Nice looking menu system (A bit heavy on the amount of screen space it takes up but never mind) 4) Choice of palette, choice of font... natch... Points against: 1) Can't get it to load files longer than 16k - might be just me though? 2) Only works with Outwrite format files... but never mind. 3) Sometimes it snaps out of edit mode, so you're left with a load of text in the buffer which only gets sent when you click back in the editing area. 4) Loading in some files crashes the hell out of it 5) I can't seem to get it to edit more than one screen-ful of text. I'm assuming that most of these probs will be sorted out by the time it's released... on the whole, 8/10 for effort, 3/10 for the actual goods, but then again, this is a preview. On the whole, it could be a hell of a lot better than the original version of Outwrite for text editing. Possibly. :) Simon From imc Fri Jul 28 14:41:31 1995 Subject: Re: Andrew Collier's Text Editor... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 28 Jul 95 14:41:31 BST In-Reply-To: <199507281321.PAA18685@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no>; from "Simon Cooke" at Jul 28, 95 2:20 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 2537 Lines: 66 On Fri, 28 Jul 1995 14:20:54 +0100 (BST), Simon Cooke said: > Anybody else downloaded the text editor from the FTP site? I didn't know it was there. Who put it up? > Points in its favour: > 1) Nice and intelligent word wrap Intelligent as opposed to what? It certainly isn't as intelligent as the program I'm using to format this article, for instance, although for this I have to type the text in first manually and then format it. > 2() Mouse control Great if you have a mouse (which I don't) - the symbol shift plus cursors thingy is a bit awkward. > 4) Choice of palette, choice of font... natch... You may have a later version than the one I've seen. > 1) Can't get it to load files longer than 16k - might be just me though? I didn't get it to load any file at all (that might be because all the files I tried were longer than 16K). I suspect this is because the program is only half completed. > 2) Only works with Outwrite format files... but never mind. Why is this called Outwrite format? "64-character padded lines" have been around for ages, if that's what you are referring to. > 3) Sometimes it snaps out of edit mode, so you're left with a load of > text in the buffer which only gets sent when you click back in the > editing area. That happened to me too, but I don't know what I did to cause it. > 4) Loading in some files crashes the hell out of it See above. I have also managed to crash it by other means, but I can't remember what. Probably one of them was typing a word that is wider than the screen. > 5) I can't seem to get it to edit more than one screen-ful of text. This is definitely due to the program being only half complete. > On the whole, it could be a hell of a lot better than the original > version of Outwrite for text editing. Possibly. :) But then a Sam version of FSE with the current bugs fixed would probably knock the socks off both of those (if you don't know what FSE is then note that a Sam hack of the speccy version is on Syncytium, and the spectrum version itself is on NVG). I refuse to put menus on it though. GUI is for wimps (no pun intended). :-) Ignoring the mouse stuff, Andrew's editor looks like something that one wouldn't have to spend more than a day or two to knock up, but perhaps I'm being overly critical... I'm not sure that it copes with "\nonfrenchspacing", incidentally (that is, the practice of putting two spaces at the end of a sentence). BTW I've written a version of the Unix program "less" in Sam BASIC. Anyone want one? imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jul 28 14:59:25 1995 From: David Zambonini To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 14:52:47 GMT Subject: Re: Andrew Collier's Text Editor... Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) Message-Id: Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 146 Lines: 7 > BTW I've written a version of the Unix program "less" in Sam BASIC. Anyone > want one? It would help if I knew what you meant... :) DMZ === From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jul 28 15:01:05 1995 From: "Doore, Dan [MIS]" To: sam-users Subject: RE: Andrew Collier's Text Editor... Date: Fri, 28 Jul 95 14:53:00 PDT Message-Id: <30195C8C@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 61 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1758 Lines: 61 > HI all.. > > Anybody else downloaded the text editor from the FTP site? > No save option I'm afraid, but here's a review: > > Points in its favour: > 1) Nice and intelligent word wrap > 2() Mouse control > 3) Nice looking menu system (A bit heavy on the amount of screen space it > takes up but never mind) Agreed, perhaps the menu could made a bit thinner/smaller > 4) Choice of palette, choice of font... natch... > > Points against: [Deleted] Most of these are possibly due to it being a demo and unfinished, but I'm sure Andrew would appreciate the comments. > 5) I can't seem to get it to edit more than one screen-ful of text. The file I tried it with wouldn't edit at all (!) But that was probably a fault of the space limitations. > I'm assuming that most of these probs will be sorted out by the time it's > released... on the whole, 8/10 for effort, 3/10 for the actual goods, but > then again, this is a preview. > > On the whole, it could be a hell of a lot better than the original > version of Outwrite for text editing. Possibly. :) I bloody hope so! I have always been moaning about the lack of a decent text editor-cum-word processor I still use WordMaster (A speccy conversion) and put up with the shite font since it's the only thing close I have got. I have read reviews of Outwrite and The Secretary, but they never seem to be favourable for what I want, and as for Spell Master.... Driver's Notepad isn't too bad, but it lacks so many features that it's not really worth using. Dan. Dan Doore - Operations Head Pod & Dogsbody 'No job too trivial' --- SMTP: d.j.doore@lmu.ac.uk MailSig 1.6 - "If I'm not back in the home by nine they declare me legally dead and collect my insurance" - Grandpa Simpson > Simon > From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jul 28 15:17:13 1995 Message-Id: <199507281415.QAA19811@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> Subject: Accelerator design Phase II To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 15:15:24 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1461 Lines: 36 Rehi... Well, here's some more info (but not much, because it's not finalised)... The accelerator design has been pondered, perused, and generally looked at, and as of last night we seem to have sorted out all of the mental acrobatics involved in it - now it's just a case of getting it down on paper. After talking to both ARM UK and Zilog, we've been able to come up with a possible way of getting the SAM to work at -- get this -- approximately 20 times its normal speed. And no, it doesn't involve sticking it in a vat of liquid nitrogen. We can't say anything more about how it works for now, but it does use a self-modifying instruction set -- but it ISN'T an emulator. We might also be able to add a few instructions to the instruction set to cope with multiplication and division. Check the date of this posting - I'm not doing an April Fools here. And on another note, thanks to the great god of Gordon the Bruce, it seems that another couple of projects may come out in kit form within the next two or three weeks. 1) The SAMCo Video Digitiser. The contract that Bob Brenchley had which gave him sole rights to produce it has now run out (when he said in format that he didn't know anything about the digitiser etc he was lying), and it will be coming out soon in DIY kit form. 2) The PC-> SAM Keyboard interface. Plug a PC keyboard into your sam!!! Handy if your membrane goes, or anything else nasty like that. *phew* Simon From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jul 28 17:26:37 1995 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 17:26:20 +0100 (BST) From: Tim Wells To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Andrew Collier's Text Editor... X-Sender: tgw1001@imap.hermes.cam.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <9507281341.AA01712@boothp1.ecs.ox.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1278 Lines: 28 On Fri, 28 Jul 1995 imc@ecs.ox.ac.uk wrote: > On Fri, 28 Jul 1995 14:20:54 +0100 (BST), Simon Cooke said: > > Anybody else downloaded the text editor from the FTP site? > > I didn't know it was there. Who put it up? Whoever put SamMines up. BTW, Can anyone else get Mines to work? I've tried everything, and just get a crash or a hang-up. The CALL address appears to point to the middle of a routine - I've tried 105634 which looks to be the start of that section with no success either. About the text editor, it looks useful - but more as a basic text editor than as a fully fledged word processor. I'd like to see a bog-standard editor that will sit in some high-memory page until called. It would then allocate itself the largest contiguous number of free pages as workspace. Nothing special required for editing, apart from word-wrap and search and replace. Oh, yes - ASCII might be preferable to TasWord2 format, but with the ability to import TW2 and possibly BASIC progs. When quit, it will free up all its workspace and go back to sitting in memory. Not a lot to ask really :-) The front end of that text editor looks quite nice really - GUIs can be good if designed well, and provided with simple keyboard shortcuts for those without mice. Tim W. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jul 28 17:32:35 1995 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 17:32:28 +0100 (BST) From: Tim Wells To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Upload to nvg.unit.no X-Sender: tgw1001@imap.hermes.cam.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <3016BCDE@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 472 Lines: 14 > SpecTiles 1.2 By Dan Doore > -------------------------- I downloaded this and had a look - nearly didn't bother when it told me told boot up Samdos... Although the game is fairly simple, the combination of graphics and sound made it interesting. It also gave me a copy of the new Mouse Driver which should come in handy :-) As I don't subscribe to FRED, I'm always interested in things people upload to nvg, just to see what the rest of the world's up to. Tim W. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jul 28 17:41:11 1995 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 17:41:00 +0100 (BST) From: Tim Wells To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Accelerator design Phase II X-Sender: tgw1001@imap.hermes.cam.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <199507281415.QAA19811@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1124 Lines: 28 On Fri, 28 Jul 1995, Simon Cooke wrote: > Well, here's some more info (but not much, because it's not finalised)... > [Tantalising comments snipped :-)] Sounds good - however sounds like you've a long way to go yet :-( > And on another note, thanks to the great god of Gordon the Bruce, it > seems that another couple of projects may come out in kit form within the > next two or three weeks. > > 1) The SAMCo Video Digitiser. The contract that Bob Brenchley had which > gave him sole rights to produce it has now run out (when he said in > format that he didn't know anything about the digitiser etc he was > lying), and it will be coming out soon in DIY kit form. > > 2) The PC-> SAM Keyboard interface. Plug a PC keyboard into your sam!!! > Handy if your membrane goes, or anything else nasty like that. Now this seems promising - having spent half my Summer building electronic equipment to pay off my overdraft, I now have some spare cash, and an inclination to wield a soldering iron towards something for the SAM. > Simon ================== Tim Wells - ================== From imc Fri Jul 28 17:49:13 1995 Subject: Re: Andrew Collier's Text Editor... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 28 Jul 95 17:49:13 BST In-Reply-To: ; from "David Zambonini" at Jul 28, 95 2:52 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 482 Lines: 15 On Fri, 28 Jul 1995 14:52:47 GMT, David Zambonini said: > > BTW I've written a version of the Unix program "less" in Sam BASIC. Anyone > > want one? > It would help if I knew what you meant... :) Are you on a Unix machine? Type "less" and see what happens. :-) Less is the opposite of more. So says the man page anyway. It's actually rather more than more (although more itself seems to have caught up recently). More is a standard Unix utility to display text files. imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Jul 28 21:42:02 1995 From: David Zambonini To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 21:42:08 GMT Subject: Re: Andrew Collier's Text Editor... Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) Message-Id: Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 299 Lines: 12 > Less is the opposite of more. So says the man page anyway. It's actually > rather more than more (although more itself seems to have caught up > recently). > > More is a standard Unix utility to display text files. > Ah, yes... I remember now.. :) But have you tried 'man man' yet? DMZ === From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sat Jul 29 21:54:33 1995 From: R J Partington Message-Id: <199507292052.VAA00187@heffer.demon.co.uk> Subject: 'samdir' et al working under linux? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 29 Jul 1995 21:52:34 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 257 Lines: 8 Has anyone managed to get the 'samdir' et al working under linux? I tried, but failed miserably... :( And can someone on the list fix my address? It's now rjp@heffer.demon.co.uk, not partingr@cs.man.ac.uk anymore (since that account is now disabled). rjp From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Jul 31 09:41:36 1995 From: "Doore, Dan [MIS]" To: sam-users Subject: Re: Upload to nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 31 Jul 95 09:39:00 PDT Message-Id: <301D076D@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 40 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1273 Lines: 40 > I downloaded this and had a look - nearly didn't bother when it told me > told boot up Samdos... That's just a precaution, When I got the disc with Mouse Driver 2 on it had both Mdos and Mbasic on it, and when I tried to use plain Mdos it crashed. And crashed. And crashed. I fact, the test programs on the disc crashed with plain Mdos, so I thought 'Sod it' and used 'advised' that Samdos should be loaded since I couldn't be arsed to mess around with it. >Although the game is fairly simple, the combination > of graphics and sound made it interesting. Thankyou. I found that with the music on I did a hell of a lot worse on it, strange that. In the good tradition of uploads and submissions, I have made a couple of changes to it which now makes the levels a bit fairer and I might try to improve the memory element to include some sort of 'anmesia' so that I can win a bit more often :) > It also gave me a copy of the new Mouse Driver which should come in handy > :-) I will upload the full version, with the documentation tomorrow (unless it is already on nvg..) Dan. Dan Doore - Operations Head Pod & Dogsbody 'No job too trivial' --- SMTP: d.j.doore@lmu.ac.uk MailSig 1.6 - Chalkboard: [2F11] Cursive writing does not mean what I think it does From imc Mon Jul 31 12:01:55 1995 Subject: Re: Andrew Collier's Text Editor... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 31 Jul 95 12:01:55 BST In-Reply-To: ; from "David Zambonini" at Jul 28, 95 9:42 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 212 Lines: 9 On Fri, 28 Jul 1995 21:42:08 GMT, David Zambonini said: > Ah, yes... I remember now.. :) > But have you tried 'man man' yet? I did "man man" ages ago. What about it? Have _you_ tried "man 7 man" yet? :-) imc