From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Sep 4 06:45:06 1995 Date: Mon, 04 Sep 1995 06:38:34 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <10467@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: rattle X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 154 Lines: 8 Is this still working? Please dont reply unless you have something to say, the return of this will prove if its working. Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Sep 4 10:57:57 1995 Message-Id: <9509040954.AA25149@indigo.lut.ac.uk.> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 04 Sep 1995 10:54:51 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: simon.cooke@umist.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: rattle Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 622 Lines: 18 >Is this still working? >Please dont reply unless you have something to say, the return >of this will prove if its working. > >Brian Brian, I'm not sure... all of a sudden i lost my feed too... I've resubbed and got your message though, but that may be a coinkidink... Simon -!- Mains Hum: A sine of the times??? +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) -+ | Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK | | Tel: (01942) 886084 Fax: (01942) 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!)| +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc ----------------------------------+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Sep 4 13:50:31 1995 Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 14:49:27 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9509041249.AA04203@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: rattle X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 597 Lines: 20 > >Is this still working? > >Please dont reply unless you have something to say, the return > >of this will prove if its working. > > > >Brian > > Brian, I'm not sure... all of a sudden i lost my feed too... There is a law for this kind of messages. They appear with a diametrical reverse frequency/time ratio to all other activity on a given list. :) The activity on the has been low, but not unusally low - the last article before these two (well, three) was from the 28th August. > > I've resubbed and got your message though, but that may be a coinkidink... I think so... Cheers -Frode From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Sep 5 22:20:43 1995 Date: Sat, 02 Sep 1995 18:54:04 GMT From: marc@failure.demon.co.uk (marc broster) Message-Id: <717@failure.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: this thing on? X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 112 Lines: 5 I've had nothing from the listserver for days, so i just wanted to check i was still subscribed. marc broster From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Sep 6 09:29:12 1995 Message-Id: <9509060827.AA26157@indigo.lut.ac.uk.> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 06 Sep 1995 09:27:16 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: simon.cooke@umist.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: BASED ON AN IDEA... Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2769 Lines: 66 Announcing the new and funky highly technical magazine: "Based on an idea..." Coming soon... Notice: please, keep this info TO THIS LIST ONLY!!! Don't tell anyone else in the SAM world of it, not until we've got the first issue printed. We're working on a new SAM fanzine, about 64 pages or so in length, chock full of technical stuff, including software reviews, hardware reviews, hardware projects, software trickery, how-to-program tutorials... basically anything that teaches people how to DO THINGS with their SAM The only thing is, we're looking for potential writers - especially the Entropy bods... Another thing to note is that this mag is nothing to do with either SAM Prime or Format - it's a totally independent magazine. (apart from a few common writers). Planned features so far include: An expose on the new Z380 chip, and what it can do... Reviews of the SC_Disk Protector ("The best 15 quid I've ever spent" - Simon Cooke), Turbomon, SAM C... Explanations of how to read the mouse, check for its presence, and how the mouse interface works... Bug fixes to SAM hardware... And hopefully a Spec Tec (or equivalent) technical help page, without quite as many jokes... YOU NAME IT REALLY... if it's techy, or topical, or basically just a good read, it'll be in it! (Book reviews, unless they're technical, will not...)... We might even dissect the odd demo, and peruse the odd game every now and then, in amongst the hardware projects too... If anyone wants to put adverts in, get in touch - incredibly reasonable rates (especially if you've dealt with Format before now)... Launch date is hopefully the Gloucester show... It's hopefully going to be a non-profit mag - it'll be quarterly, and occasionally there will be a free diskette on the cover (or equivalent)... Basically, it should be really brill... Format without the crap bits, and SAM Prime with more technical trickery than it could ever hope to pull off. And with a proper release schedule too!!! It'll be 1.50 a copy, free copies to contributors... There might even be a web version too... but don't hold your breath. (However, I can use Adobe Acrobat, so that might be a format that people can read it in... hmmm...) Simon Cooke ps this is all provisional... just to get people thinking of ideas to put in it... hell, I've just spent the last two or three days making up a new Truetype symbol font for it... it'd better happen!!! -!- Mains Hum: A sine of the times??? +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) -+ | Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK | | Tel: (01942) 886084 Fax: (01942) 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!)| +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc ----------------------------------+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Sep 6 18:09:57 1995 Date: Tue, 05 Sep 1995 22:29:09 GMT From: marc@failure.demon.co.uk (marc broster) Message-Id: <729@failure.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: 28th august? X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 198 Lines: 6 Someone posted that the last mail they got from this list was from the 28th, the last one i got was the one i sent on the 27th, could someone mail me the one from the 28th? thankyou. marc broster From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Sep 7 05:19:34 1995 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 1995 18:05:51 GMT From: "Brian Gaff Sam Dept." Message-Id: <10523@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Money and survival X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 255 Lines: 9 Simon, I have done nothing yet, and do not intend to for a while so do not worry. I am a little worried that the guy doing the PD may be fed up though. I might ask him if someone else could do it. Anyone knopw about CP/M? Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Sep 7 05:44:39 1995 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 1995 18:07:53 GMT From: "Brian Gaff Sam Dept." Message-Id: <10524@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: BASED ON AN IDEA... X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 198 Lines: 9 Could plug Pro-Dos in the new mag at 10 quid I guess? Having problems obtaining DD discs folks, many suppliers are not keeping them in stock. What do you folks do? Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Sep 7 07:42:28 1995 Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 08:30:29 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9509070630.AA09400@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: 28th august? X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1212 Lines: 23 > Someone posted that the last mail they got from this list was from the 28th, > the last one i got was the one i sent on the 27th, could someone mail me the > one from the 28th? thankyou. The mail that arrived on the 28th was your mail. I guess that you have something fishy going on at your end. Here's and extract of that header: Received: (from bin@localhost) by sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA01345 for sam-users-outgoing; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 19:58:48 +0200 Received: from failure.demon.co.uk (failure.demon.co.uk [158.152.171.161]) by sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA01330 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 19:58:21 +0200 Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 18:09:07 GMT From: marc@failure.demon.co.uk (marc broster) This header looks like: > Received: (from bin@localhost) by sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA28550 for sam-users-outgoing; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 19:09:21 +0200 > Received: from failure.demon.co.uk (failure.demon.co.uk [158.152.171.161]) by sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA28545 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 19:09:07 +0200 > Date: Tue, 05 Sep 1995 22:29:09 GMT Around 24 hours delay with both. Cheers -Frode From imc Fri Sep 8 11:26:46 1995 Subject: Re: FRED 60 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 8 Sep 95 11:26:46 BST In-Reply-To: ; from "Simon Cooke" at Aug 26, 95 11:53 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 295 Lines: 8 Quite a long time ago, someone said... >It is rather brilliant. The Mnemodemo is great. The menu also by a > Mnemotech member >(I must say that it's funny that the Entropy bods get greeted first though :) ) Which Mnemotech member is that? I forgot to check it out while I was at home. imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Sep 8 13:21:01 1995 Date: Thu, 7 Sep 95 16:43:17 PDT From: Stefan Drissen Subject: Re: BASED ON AN IDEA... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Mailer: Chameleon - TCP/IP for Windows by NetManage, Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1251 Lines: 35 >Having problems obtaining DD discs folks, many suppliers are not >keeping them in stock. What do you folks do? > >Brian Buy the much cheaper HD discs (only fl 4.95 at Escom = approx 2.10 pounds per 10). Unfortunately these aren't preformatted as SAMdos discs. Because all the SAM drives are basically crippled high density drives (I think) they have the little HD detector still sitting in the drive. If you put a HD disc in the drive the disc will not work. So you have to make the drive think it is a DD disc by using sticky tape to cover up the HD hole. BTW has anybody got a decent program lying around which will write to MS-DOS discs? KE-Disk is driving me up the wall since it is not doing what it is supposed to. I can't get my file (200k) saved to the disc properly - the file saved is simply different from what was supposed to be saved. Also I'm too lazy to write a write routine. BASED ON AN IDEA... sounds nice. How will you fill 64 pages though? If you've got some idea which you'd like me to write about then let me know Simon. And that was that. Stefan Drissen aka Solar Flare of Entropy E-mail: drissen@pi.net S-mail: Zevende Herven 6, 5232 JZ 's-Hertogenbosch, The Netherlands T-mail: +31-73-414969 From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Sep 8 13:22:21 1995 Date: Fri, 8 Sep 95 13:21:44 PDT From: Stefan Drissen Subject: Re: FRED 60 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Mailer: Chameleon - TCP/IP for Windows by NetManage, Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 631 Lines: 26 >Quite a long time ago, someone said... >>It is rather brilliant. The Mnemodemo is great. The menu also by a >> Mnemotech member >>(I must say that it's funny that the Entropy bods get greeted first though :) ) > >Which Mnemotech member is that? I forgot to check it out while I was at home. > >imc That was Wayne Coles. You know, half of Illusion Software (not to be confused with Illusion of Mnemotech). Are you going to give him a big telling of now? ;) Stefan Drissen aka Solar Flare of Entropy E-mail: drissen@pi.net S-mail: Zevende Herven 6, 5232 JZ 's-Hertogenbosch, The Netherlands T-mail: +31-73-414969 From imc Fri Sep 8 15:28:59 1995 Subject: Re: FRED 60 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 8 Sep 95 15:28:59 BST In-Reply-To: ; from "Stefan Drissen" at Sep 8, 95 1:21 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 122 Lines: 6 On Fri, 8 Sep 95 13:21:44 PDT, Stefan Drissen said: > Are you going to give him a big telling of now? ;) No - why? imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Sep 8 23:03:19 1995 To: SAM-USERS@nvg.unit.no Subject: re: based on an idea... Date: Sat, 9 Sep 95 0:02:54 CEST From: Arne Di Russo Message-Id: <9509090002.aa25028@ax433.mclink.it> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 759 Lines: 26 Hi Stefan! DR> Buy the much cheaper HD discs (only fl 4.95 at Escom DR> = approx 2.10 pounds per 10 The ESCOM bulk disks are very good, I had just one out of 50 which had sector errors (used on a PC as HD disks). DR> BTW has anybody got a decent program lying around which will write to MSDOS DR> discs? KE-Disk is driving me up the wall since it is not doing what it is DR> supposed to. I can't get my file (200k) saved to the disc properly - the DR> file saved is simply different from what was supposed to be saved. Also DR> I'm too lazy to write a write routine. I usually use PC-Suite. The user interface is a bit messy but the read and write routines are very reliable, I never had problems with it. Cheers, Arne --- MMMR v4.00unr * From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Sep 8 23:03:35 1995 To: SAM-USERS@nvg.unit.no Subject: re: based on an idea... Date: Sat, 9 Sep 95 0:02:51 CEST From: Arne Di Russo Message-Id: <9509090002.aa24964@ax433.mclink.it> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1775 Lines: 58 Hi Simon! SI> Announcing the new and funky highly technical magazine: SI> "Based on an idea..." SI> Coming soon... Wow, should I still renew my Format subscription which has just expired or is it absolutely sure that this mag will appear, so I won't need Format anymore? (Pleaase say yes to the latter!!) :-) SI> The only thing is, we're looking for potential writers - especially the SI> Entropy bods... Unfortunately I can't help you much as I never really programmed the SAM at mc-level (just some very small routines) so I don't have such an in-depth knowledge of the SAM, but I have some small and useful Basic utilities (an ascii file reader, a hex/ascii file/memory brownser, a program that creates an image file of a SAM disk like Teledisk and some others) of which you could publish the listing if you think they are appropriate for the mag. SI> Planned features so far include: SI> SI> An expose on the new Z380 chip, and what it can do... SI> Reviews of the SC_Disk Protector ("The best 15 quid I've ever spent" - SI> Simon Cooke), SI> Turbomon, SAM C... SI> Explanations of how to read the mouse, check for its presence, and how the SI> mouse interface works... SI> Bug fixes to SAM hardware... SI> And hopefully a Spec Tec (or equivalent) technical help page, without quite SI> as many jokes... Lot's of interesting topics, imho... SI> It'll be 1.50 a copy, free copies to contributors... There might even be a SI> web version too... but don't hold your breath. (However, I can use Adobe SI> Acrobat, so that might be a format that people can read it in... hmmm...) A web version is a good idea, Acrobat is ok for me. SI> Truetype symbol font for it... it'd better happen!!! I hope so too! :-) Cheers, Arne --- MMMR v4.00unr * From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sun Sep 10 22:15:21 1995 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 95 22:12:11 PDT From: Stefan Drissen Subject: re: based on an idea... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Mailer: Chameleon - TCP/IP for Windows by NetManage, Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 514 Lines: 21 >I usually use PC-Suite. The user interface is a bit messy but >the read and write routines are very reliable, I never had >problems with it. > >Cheers, Arne The problem with PC-Suite is that it isn't public domain. And I think that the 25 pound selling price is a total rip off! Anybody else out there with public domain msdos disc writers? L8R Stefan Drissen aka Solar Flare of Entropy E-mail: drissen@pi.net S-mail: Zevende Herven 6, 5232 JZ 's-Hertogenbosch, The Netherlands T-mail: +31-73-414969 From imc Tue Sep 12 15:27:26 1995 Subject: Re: BASED ON AN IDEA... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 12 Sep 95 15:27:26 BST In-Reply-To: <9509060827.AA26157@indigo.lut.ac.uk.>; from "Simon Cooke" at Sep 6, 95 9:27 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 242 Lines: 10 On Wed, 06 Sep 1995 09:27:16 +0100, Simon Cooke said: > Announcing the new and funky highly technical magazine: > > "Based on an idea..." > > Coming soon... Well I'm sure I could do something... I just don't know what that's all. ;-) imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Sep 13 09:11:52 1995 From: R J Partington Message-Id: <199509122320.AAA00183@heffer.demon.co.uk> Subject: The parallel interface To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 00:20:19 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 400 Lines: 14 I've got the SAM parallel interface, but I've lost my instructions. Can anyone tell me how to read/write from it? Thanks... rjp -- -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.3a mQBNAjBKNd0AAAECAKfvlvo09KjC+sP8CZz3WCXMyWfF0lVDojLmrheqevdszMML fmRgnXsG50RAvjhX4IKcPGUfYf0BcC01AeVyX7EABRG0KlJvYmVydCBQYXJ0aW5n dG9uIDxyanBAaGVmZmVyLmRlbW9uLmNvLnVrPg== =4uKS -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK------- From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Sep 14 13:39:15 1995 Message-Id: <9509141233.AA00446@indigo.lut.ac.uk.> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 13:33:32 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: simon.cooke@umist.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: The parallel interface Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1541 Lines: 46 >I've got the SAM parallel interface, but I've lost my instructions. >Can anyone tell me how to read/write from it? Thanks... Something along the lines of: ;entered with data to print in E LD BC,printerport+257 (usually 232, could be 234 though) wnotbusy: IN A,(C) RRA JR C,wnotbusy ;if bit 0 = set, then it's still busy, so loop OUT (C),B ;make sure that strobe line is high.. DEC B DEC C OUT (C),E ;output data to output latch INC C OUT (C),B ;make strobe line low INC B OUT (C),B ;make strobe line high... RET you can put an additional test at the START of your printer routine, before you do anything else for: LD BC,printerport+1 IN A,(C) RRA JR C,error ;if set, printer is busy. But we're not printing anything! so ;the printer is most likely not online... tell the user that ;the printer is off line ;rest of routine... Can someone check if I've got the busy bit polarity right? :) Simon -!- Mains Hum: A sine of the times??? +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) -+ | Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK | | Tel: (01942) 886084 Fax: (01942) 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!)| +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc ----------------------------------+ From imc Thu Sep 14 14:29:13 1995 Subject: Re: The parallel interface To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 14 Sep 95 14:29:13 BST In-Reply-To: <9509141233.AA00446@indigo.lut.ac.uk.>; from "Simon Cooke" at Sep 14, 95 1:33 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 995 Lines: 28 On Thu, 14 Sep 1995 13:33:32 +0100, Simon Cooke said: > ;entered with data to print in E Whatever. :-) > Can someone check if I've got the busy bit polarity right? :) As far as I remember: bit 0 = 0 --not busy bit 0 = 1 --busy. You may have the strobe the wrong way round. Outputting zero makes the strobe high (i.e inactive). I know this because my old printer didn't work when we first tried it, and it turned out that the reason was because the Sam initially sets strobe active (naughty!) and the printer therefore pretended to be always busy. Typing OUT 233,0 when the Sam was first switched on solved the problem. Also, note that the EDDAC sets the busy signal to 'not busy', so you can tell if one is connected by setting the data register to 0 (or something harmless) and wiggling the strobe. A real printer will become busy, but the EDDAC will not. I can't remember whether you can tell that the interface is connected in the first place, but I think probably not. imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Sep 18 18:30:21 1995 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 95 19:28:34 PDT From: Stefan Drissen Subject: Cool MODs To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Mailer: Chameleon - TCP/IP for Windows by NetManage, Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 495 Lines: 21 Hi All! Just thought I'd mention a really excellent FTP source for some really excellent sounding mods by a very talented Jogeir Liljedahl. I do recommend you have something to output your sound thru (not the SAM soundchip). ftp.funet.fi /pub/amiga/audio/modules/JogeirLiljedahl There is some really amazing stuff there!!! L8R Stefan Drissen aka Solar Flare of Entropy E-mail: drissen@pi.net S-mail: Zevende Herven 6, 5232 JZ 's-Hertogenbosch, The Netherlands T-mail: +31-73-414969 From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Sep 19 15:38:00 1995 Message-Id: <10054.199509191312@lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk> From: William Easson <9264201e@udcf.gla.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Cool MODs To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 14:12:11 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Stefan Drissen" at Sep 18, 95 07:28:34 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 730 Lines: 28 > > Hi All! > > Just thought I'd mention a really excellent FTP source for some really > excellent sounding mods by a very talented Jogeir Liljedahl. I do recommend > you have something to output your sound thru (not the SAM soundchip). > > ftp.funet.fi > /pub/amiga/audio/modules/JogeirLiljedahl > > There is some really amazing stuff there!!! > > L8R > > Stefan Drissen aka Solar Flare of Entropy Thanks, I'll try them soon. We need more info like this! -- Yours, William E B Easson E-Mail: 9264201e@udcf.gla.ac.uk WWW: http://www.gla.ac.uk/Clubs/WebSoc/members/9264201e/will.html and: http://www.gla.ac.uk/Clubs/GUVZS/guvzs.html "A life spent making many mistakes is better than a life spent doing nothing" From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Sep 20 12:18:44 1995 Message-Id: X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 12:01:04 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: simon.cooke@umist.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Money and survival Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 734 Lines: 23 >Status: RO > >Simon, I have done nothing yet, and do not intend to for a while >so do not worry. I am a little worried that the guy doing the PD >may be fed up though. I might ask him if someone else could do >it. Anyone knopw about CP/M? > *big sigh of relief, and sweat mopped from brow* :) Soimon ps I know a fair bit about CP/M now, but in what capacity do you need the knowledge? -!- Mains Hum: A sine of the times??? +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) -+ | Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK | | Tel: (01942) 886084 Fax: (01942) 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!)| +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc ----------------------------------+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Sep 20 12:18:46 1995 Message-Id: X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 12:01:01 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: simon.cooke@umist.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Cool MODs Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 590 Lines: 17 [Stefan's fave Mod site of the minute] >Thanks, I'll try them soon. We need more info like this! Umm... well, you could try: ftp://src.doc.ic.ac.uk/pub/aminet/mods/ (At least it's something like that anyway... search for Aminet on SRC) Simon -!- Mains Hum: A sine of the times??? +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) -+ | Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK | | Tel: (01942) 886084 Fax: (01942) 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!)| +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc ----------------------------------+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Sep 20 12:18:48 1995 Message-Id: X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 12:01:05 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: simon.cooke@umist.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: BASED ON AN IDEA... Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 803 Lines: 19 >BASED ON AN IDEA... sounds nice. How will you fill 64 pages though? If >you've got some idea which you'd like me to write about then let me know >Simon. Well, Stefan, how about an article on how the burstplayer works? Or on the Modplayer format? Or on the intricacies on coding Sophistry? Or on the MS-DOS disk format? Or on timings of various pieces of hardware? Or on how the Blue Alpha sound sampler can be used to output sound? Or....... :) Simon -!- Mains Hum: A sine of the times??? +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) -+ | Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK | | Tel: (01942) 886084 Fax: (01942) 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!)| +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc ----------------------------------+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Sep 20 12:18:49 1995 Message-Id: X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 12:00:58 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: simon.cooke@umist.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: BASED ON AN IDEA... Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 566 Lines: 14 >Well I'm sure I could do something... I just don't know what that's all. ;-) >imc Well, anything vaguely techy is okay :) I'll put up a list of proposed articles when I've had time to sit down and work on them... Simon -!- Mains Hum: A sine of the times??? +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) -+ | Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK | | Tel: (01942) 886084 Fax: (01942) 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!)| +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc ----------------------------------+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Sep 20 12:25:30 1995 Message-Id: X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 12:00:59 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: simon.cooke@umist.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: The parallel interface Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1422 Lines: 32 >You may have the strobe the wrong way round. Outputting zero makes >the strobe high (i.e inactive). I know this because my old printer >didn't work when we first tried it, and it turned out that the reason >was because the Sam initially sets strobe active (naughty!) and the >printer therefore pretended to be always busy. Typing OUT 233,0 when >the Sam was first switched on solved the problem. Right... :) >Also, note that the EDDAC sets the busy signal to 'not busy', so you can >tell if one is connected by setting the data register to 0 (or something >harmless) and wiggling the strobe. A real printer will become busy, but >the EDDAC will not. Eek! I'd hate to do it that way - for one, it'd print stuff out all over the place... (well, I suppose if you output a null, you might get away with it... but I wouldn't like to try!) >I can't remember whether you can tell that the interface is connected in the >first place, but I think probably not. Naaah.. don't think so. You can check for the Comms part of it - but not for the parallel part. Pity really. Simon -!- Mains Hum: A sine of the times??? +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) -+ | Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK | | Tel: (01942) 886084 Fax: (01942) 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!)| +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc ----------------------------------+ From imc Wed Sep 20 12:29:56 1995 Subject: Re: The parallel interface To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 20 Sep 95 12:29:56 BST In-Reply-To: ; from "Simon Cooke" at Sep 20, 95 12:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 614 Lines: 13 On Wed, 20 Sep 1995 12:00:59 +0100, Simon Cooke said: > Eek! I'd hate to do it that way - for one, it'd print stuff out all over the > place... (well, I suppose if you output a null, you might get away with > it... but I wouldn't like to try!) Yes, a single NUL was what I had in mind. It's better than what happens if you try to play the EDDAC _without_ checking whether it is plugged in! But since (I expect) all printers ignore the NUL except in the middle of an escape sequence, and since you are very unlikely to be doing this check in the middle of an escape sequence, I think it should be harmless. imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Sep 20 20:03:37 1995 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 95 20:52:04 PDT From: Stefan Drissen Subject: What to write To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Mailer: Chameleon - TCP/IP for Windows by NetManage, Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1261 Lines: 35 [Simon's idea's on filling 64 pages...] >Well, Stefan, how about an article on how the burstplayer works? Or on the >Modplayer format? Or on the intricacies on coding Sophistry? Or on the >MS-DOS disk format? Or on timings of various pieces of hardware? Or on how >the Blue Alpha sound sampler can be used to output sound? Or....... > >:) > >Simon Article on how the burstplayer works? Hmmm, good question - could somebody please answer that one. Ooops sorry. Does anybody want to know????? Modplayer format - hmmmm could be useful for some people - but then they might go along and write mod trackers before I can get my one finished. Intricacies on coding Sophistry. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to reveal any of this without getting in trouble with Revelation. On the other hand, what intricacies? Ummm, to keep a long story short. Thanks for the ideas Simon, I'll put finger to keyboard sometime soon (time permitting) and let you know what I'm up to. How about including the bits I did for the tech manual on using the various sound devices to output samples for starters? L8R Stefan Drissen aka Solar Flare of Entropy E-mail: drissen@pi.net S-mail: Zevende Herven 6, 5232 JZ 's-Hertogenbosch, The Netherlands T-mail: +31-73-414969 From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Sep 20 20:03:46 1995 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 95 20:56:35 PDT From: Stefan Drissen Subject: Re: Cool MODs To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Mailer: Chameleon - TCP/IP for Windows by NetManage, Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1248 Lines: 37 [My mod spot] >Thanks, I'll try them soon. We need more info like this! > > >-- >Yours, > William E B Easson > I must apologize in forgetting to mention that the mods don't sound too brilliant via the soundchip due to impressive use of volume commands. The mods that usually sound best via the soundchip are the ones with very loud samples (of which synthesised samples are usually loudest) - these do however sound very chipish and are therefore often referred to as chip tunes (as in soundchip). The moral of the story is therefore make sure you have a SAMdac or Quazar or something to play your mods through. If you are going to use the soundchip make sure you have a copy of my new SAM MOD player (5 pounds from Derek Morgan) since the mods are full of so many previously unsupported effects that they'll probably sound like total rubbish. BTW does anyone know how I can bypass the following message from LHA (decompressor): Skipped, special attribute. This is preventing me from unpacking two mods. The /? option doesn't offer much in the way of advice. L8R Stefan Drissen aka Solar Flare of Entropy E-mail: drissen@pi.net S-mail: Zevende Herven 6, 5232 JZ 's-Hertogenbosch, The Netherlands T-mail: +31-73-414969 From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sat Sep 23 15:42:22 1995 Message-Id: X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 15:40:36 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: simon.cooke@umist.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Cool MODs Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 874 Lines: 21 >BTW does anyone know how I can bypass the following message from LHA >(decompressor): Skipped, special attribute. >This is preventing me from unpacking two mods. The /? option doesn't offer >much in the way of advice. > Yep, you need a really good version of LHA :) You'll also need to be careful when the filenames are truncated from the amiga - sometimes you lose MODs during decompression that way (a bit of fiddling with files gets around that though). Simon ps new version of LHA tagged onto a private email for you. -!- Mains Hum: A sine of the times??? +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) -+ | Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK | | Tel: (01942) 886084 Fax: (01942) 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!)| +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc ----------------------------------+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sat Sep 23 15:42:39 1995 Message-Id: X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 15:40:34 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: simon.cooke@umist.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: What to write Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2202 Lines: 43 >Article on how the burstplayer works? Hmmm, good question - could somebody >please answer that one. Ooops sorry. Does anybody want to know????? Yeah, please! Actually, I think I understand how to do it - and I'm going to try something similar to revive my disk-loading music code when I get around to it (It DID work... just didn't pick up on any disk errors, which is odd...) >Modplayer format - hmmmm could be useful for some people - but then they >might go along and write mod trackers before I can get my one finished. Naahhh... somehow I don't think so. The way the SAM world seems to be at the moment, most people are lazy... it's just a very small elite band who ever get off their bums and do any programming. Not that I'm besmirching the plain vanilla users, but it'd be nice to see some people doing more stuff. Like Bob Brenchley^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HWest Coast for instance? And how about female SAM programmers? The only one I know of is Carol Brooksbank for gawds sake.. >Intricacies on coding Sophistry. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to reveal any >of this without getting in trouble with Revelation. On the other hand, what >intricacies? Techniques on how you programmed bits and what it involved. Q: Did you sign a non-disclosure agreement? >Ummm, to keep a long story short. Thanks for the ideas Simon, I'll put >finger to keyboard sometime soon (time permitting) and let you know what I'm >up to. How about including the bits I did for the tech manual on using the >various sound devices to output samples for starters? I'll tattle them up and shove them in... another thing (as you may have realised) is that this Based on an Idea may be an ideal source of info for the DEFINITIVE SAM technical manual :) (which will be sold at cost, cos it'll be about 300 pages, so it'll be expensive enough as it is!) Simon -!- Mains Hum: A sine of the times??? +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) -+ | Snail:1 Dovey Close, Astley, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 7NP, UK | | Tel: (01942) 886084 Fax: (01942) 886084 (ring voice first to confirm!)| +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc ----------------------------------+