From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Apr 1 16:07:08 1996 Subject: WANTED To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 16:19:44 +0000 (MET) From: Sebastian Palucha X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23~] Content-Type: text Message-Id: <9604011619.aa24094@usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 237 Lines: 12 W A N T E D ! ------------- IM26C91 UART - (comms interface)..... where,when,priCe... TMB. palucha@usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl OR janowska@usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl PS. Electro Body 4SAM very soon on InterNet............. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Apr 1 16:15:54 1996 Message-Id: <199604011514.RAA11113@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> Subject: Re: WANTED To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 16:14:21 +0100 (MET DST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <9604011619.aa24094@usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl> from "Sebastian Palucha" at Apr 1, 96 04:19:44 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 474 Lines: 21 > > W A N T E D ! > ------------- > IM26C91 UART - (comms interface)..... > where,when,priCe... > > TMB. > palucha@usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl > OR > janowska@usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl > PS. > Electro Body 4SAM very soon on InterNet............. What's Electro Body 4SAM? The IM26C91 UART can be bought from Farnell's electronic components, or from Format Publications - I don't have their address at the moment, but I could dig it up for you... Simon From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Apr 1 16:31:34 1996 Subject: Re: WANTED To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 17:22:43 +0000 (MET) From: Sebastian Palucha In-Reply-To: <199604011514.RAA11113@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> from "Simon Cooke" at Apr 1, 96 04:14:21 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23~] Content-Type: text Message-Id: <9604011722.aa29346@usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 137 Lines: 5 > I could dig it up for you... dig IT ... please... EB4SAM is a Sam Version of Electro Body (from PC) - labirynt/arcade T.M.B From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Apr 1 16:37:46 1996 Message-Id: <3160056E.73D6@planetconnect.co.uk> Date: Mon, 01 Apr 1996 16:33:50 +0000 From: Allan Organization: Crashed Magazine X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: WANTED References: <199604011514.RAA11113@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 377 Lines: 14 Simon Cooke wrote: > > The IM26C91 UART can be bought from Farnell's electronic components, or > from Format Publications - I don't have their address at the moment, but > I could dig it up for you... > Yeah.. Farnell, erm, where I work I can get these things at trade prices, but Farnell are incredibly expensive. Honest. Al. Oh, and Cookie - Crashed's in the post! :) From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Apr 1 16:40:46 1996 Message-Id: <316006B8.370C@planetconnect.co.uk> Date: Mon, 01 Apr 1996 16:39:20 +0000 From: Allan Organization: Crashed Magazine X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Told you so... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 106 Lines: 6 I said it'd be quiet when all the students went home. I've had hardly any messages at all (sniff). Al. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Apr 1 16:46:13 1996 From: NEIL A MAYNARD To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 15:44:28 GMT Subject: A new era?? Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) Message-Id: <67D947A4FA6@wmcu1.uwcm.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 579 Lines: 20 Hi to all sam coupe owners!! Not much news i see, so here are a few questions.... Are there any plans to produce a new faster (?16+ bit) version of the sam coupe (or any accelerators??) in the near future?? What software is currently being developed out there (and when will it be ready) ?? Neil Maynard +------------------------------------------+ | Neil Maynard | | Tel:(01222) 743561 Fax:(01222) 766276 | | E-Mail: Maynard@cf.ac.uk | +------------------------------------------+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Apr 1 16:49:46 1996 From: tsp93ma@soton.ac.uk Message-Id: <199604011542.PAA07849@b25c-09.sucs.soton.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Told you so... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 16:42:42 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <316006B8.370C@planetconnect.co.uk> from "Allan" at Apr 1, 96 04:39:20 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 360 Lines: 14 To quote Allan: @/ I said it'd be quiet when all the students went home. @/ I've had hardly any messages at all (sniff). I could set up a cron job to email you an 800k core file every five minutes if you'd like :-) ....@/ -- Tim Paveley - Maths with Computer Science - University of Southampton Sam Coupe Web Pages: http://www.soton.ac.uk/~tsp93ma/Coupe/ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Apr 1 16:58:48 1996 From: NEIL A MAYNARD To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 15:57:14 GMT Subject: Re: Told you so... Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) Message-Id: <67DCAAE013D@wmcu1.uwcm.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 587 Lines: 19 > To quote Allan: > @/ I said it'd be quiet when all the students went home. > @/ I've had hardly any messages at all (sniff). > > I could set up a cron job to email you an 800k core file every five > minutes if you'd like :-) > Why only every five minutes?? why not more often (every 5 seconds??)?? Neil Maynard. +------------------------------------------+ | Neil Maynard | | Tel:(01222) 743561 Fax:(01222) 766276 | | E-Mail: Maynard@cf.ac.uk | +------------------------------------------+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sun Apr 14 17:35:48 1996 Message-Id: <316D23A2.13EC@planetconnect.co.uk> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 15:22:10 +0000 From: Allan Organization: Crashed Magazine X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Told you so... References: <67DCAAE013D@wmcu1.uwcm.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 121 Lines: 7 > Why only every five minutes?? why not more often (every 5 > seconds??)?? Because I'll kill you if you do. :) Allan. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sun Apr 14 17:36:58 1996 From: tsp93ma@soton.ac.uk Message-Id: <199604111600.QAA05035@vision.soton.ac.uk> Subject: My Sam's Ill :( To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no (Sam Coupe Mailing List) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 17:00:12 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2921 Lines: 62 Hi All, I thought in my moment of sorrow I would share with you all the passing of my sam into senility. He's not in his youth anymore, and today things took a turn for the worse, though I had been noticing signs previously. Several times recently my Sam has crashed when I've turned him on, rather than the MGT screen, I got the pretty stripes and then a strange mess laid on top as if I had just hit the NMI button on something that wasn't expecting it. He started to take a dislike to one of my Disks, refusing to BOOT the dos from it despite it being perfectly formatted, the dos loading fine as a code file, and even after a complete reformat still not working. However today he finally crossed the realms into cuckoo land. I thought I'd take a hint and write a little something for Fred (only a menu though colin), so I put on the fabled snail t-shirt, and was even tempted to put on the exclusive Sad Snail Productions ID Card. I booted up Sam C and started work, porting a bit of programming from the less well known Manim Language. Everything was going fine, then I must have done something wrong, I don't know what, perhaps I swore when I made a mistake, but my Sam decided to sulk. He patched himself into the Disk Drive, and sat there watching it. The first time I changed the disk he dropped into basic, and strangely left the lone character 'm' sitting in the edit window next to the cursor, a clue, a warning, I don't know, but my program was lost, fortunatly I'd saved it only moments before. So I rebooted Sam C, put in the source disk, and went to load the file, but he wasn't having it, already he'd decided to ignore all keyboard input from me. I turned him off, counted to 10, turned him on, and did it all again. This time I managed to load the source, but swapping back to the SamC disk for compilation and he did it again. I got more wary. After some experimentation I realised that he was doing it the moment that a new disk was popped in and aligned (or whatever it is it does when it whirs). So I turned him off, unplugged all his leads, gave him a cuddle for a bit, spoke softly to him, removed and reinserted the drive taking care to make sure it was nice and flush and not too tightly screwed in, I stroked him for a bit and then gave him a plaster over the corner of the disk drive. It seemed to work. He let me load Sam C, he let me load my source, he even compiled without a single error. He did reset when I ran my code, but I put that done to my dodgy coding. You have been warned.......... ....@/ On a lighter note, dunno if I'll be at the show this time, project worries and a fear of spending 150odd quid like last time :) And what do people think of Fantasy Fred League? I picked a few of you for my team, hope you don't mind. -- Tim Paveley - Maths with Computer Science - University of Southampton Sam Coupe Web Pages: http://www.soton.ac.uk/~tsp93ma/Coupe/ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sun Apr 14 18:07:57 1996 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 15:10:36 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9604101310.AA22743@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: uploads X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 183 Lines: 8 Hi all. I have just now moved the recently uploaded samtools from the incoming directory at ftp.nvg.unit.no to ./misc/sun. Enjoy. I hope that everybody had a nice holiday. -Frode From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Apr 15 08:22:35 1996 From: Rob Partington Message-Id: <199604111315.NAA00572@heffer.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: X-Coupe To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 13:15:29 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <37D833F65AA@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> from "James R Curry" at Mar 14, 96 01:25:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 482 Lines: 15 James R Curry wrote... > > The show is on April 20th. Unfortunately...I've just become horribly unemployed, and as a consequence, horribly poor. So I'm unlikely to be able to go to the show... :-( -- Rob Partington - rjp@heffer.demon.co.uk - currently unemployed... Keywords: perl unix C tcl tk hack linux acorn riscos arm "zoth ommog" This message enhanced for elm and slrn Click [LINK] and don't forget to [ISMAP]! You are visitor #[INLINE]... From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Apr 15 17:16:29 1996 From: tsp93ma@soton.ac.uk Message-Id: <199604151527.PAA15033@b25c-11.sucs.soton.ac.uk> Subject: SVAR's To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no (Sam Coupe Mailing List) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 16:27:30 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 291 Lines: 13 I may be stupid for not being able to find these in the Manual but.... what are the SVAR's that hold the current text cursor Row/Column position? I assume that there are some out there, but repeated scans of my technical manual has failed to find them. Anyone know? Cheers, Tim ....@/ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Apr 15 22:22:42 1996 Posted-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 23:07:58 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <3172B6D3.3DA2@pi.net> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 19:51:31 -0100 From: Stefan Drissen Organization: SOLcorp X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SVAR's References: <199604151527.PAA15033@b25c-11.sucs.soton.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1928 Lines: 55 tsp93ma@soton.ac.uk wrote: > > I may be stupid for not being able to find these in the Manual but.... You could put it that way, but.... > what are the SVAR's that hold the current text cursor Row/Column > position? I wasn't able to find these either by reading the descriptions in the technical manual. However, the following little program did it's stuff: 10 let x=3,y=7 20 print at y,x; 30 for f=svar 0 to svar 500 40 if (peek f=x and peek (f+1)=y) or (peek f=y and peek (f+1)=x) then print #0;f 50 next f The reason for the OR in line 40 is that I wasn't sure in which order the coords would be. The program then pops out a lovely &5A6C, which is of course equivalent to SVAR &6C. The description in the techy (tacky?) manual then reveals that this is the current coord for the upper window - which is in fact a reasonable description, it just doesn't seem that obvious. > I assume that there are some out there, but repeated scans of my > technical manual has failed to find them. Aha. > Anyone know? Yep. > Cheers, You're welcome, hope your senile SAM survives - I would think that there is something buggy with your power supply unit, since it crashes when you bung in a new disc, the disc then spins (costing some extra power) and then your SAM crashes - anyone else got ideas? > Tim ....@/ Stefan Drissen _____ ___ _ ___ ______ ___ ____ / _// \| | /\ | \ | _/ | /\ | \ _/ aka \_ \| || |__ / \| / | _|| |__ / \| / _| of ENTROPY /____/\___/\____\____\_|_\ |_| \____\____\_|_\___\ / \ / Email: drissen@pi.net http://www.pi.net/~drissen \ / Zevende Herven 6,5232 JZ 's-HERTOGENBOSCH,The Netherlands \ / telephone: +31-73-6414969 \ --------------------------------------------------------------- From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Apr 15 23:22:20 1996 Message-Id: From: geoffw@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Geoff Winkless) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 22:58:41 +0100 In-Reply-To: drissen -- "Re: SVAR's" (Apr 15, 7:51pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SVAR's Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 746 Lines: 17 On Apr 15, 7:51pm in "Re: SVAR's", warbled: ] is something buggy with your power supply unit, since it crashes when ] you bung in a new disc, the disc then spins (costing some extra power) ] and then your SAM crashes - anyone else got ideas? Hmmm. Possibly dodgy power lines to the drive, possibly something across the drive connector itself? Maybe the movement of the drive would wobble this something enough to short out the power lines? Mine used to (before it died completely when my ex girlfriend stood on it) crash every so often when you put a disk in, but that was cos there was a break in one of the lines on the circuit board, and the movement of inserting a disk meant the circuit line grew slightly further apart... -- Geoff From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Apr 16 04:05:31 1996 From: "Spencer V. PriceNash" Message-Id: <199604160257.WAA04290@spencer.ann-arbor.mi.us> Subject: Re: SVAR's To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 22:57:44 -0400 (EDT) Cc: spencer@spencer.ann-arbor.mi.us (Spencer V. PriceNash) In-Reply-To: from "Geoff Winkless" at Apr 15, 96 10:58:41 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 454 Lines: 14 Geoff Winkless wrote: > > On Apr 15, 7:51pm in "Re: SVAR's", warbled: You know what? I don't know what you folks are talking about, and have no idea how I got on this list. For the latter, it sure wasn't anything I did. Perhaps it'd be amusing if I knew what was going on. Might someone be able to unsubscribe me? -- Spencer PriceNash spencer@spencer.ann-arbor.mi.us many other addresses http://www.umcc.umich.edu/~spencer/ many other pages From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Apr 16 07:09:58 1996 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 07:03:53 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <14568@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: RCPT: Re: XCoupe X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 306 Lines: 15 In message <114083E4DC1@barbrook.shef.ac.uk> "B.E.Curren" writes: > Confirmation of reading: your message - > > Date: 20 Mar 96 19:45 > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Subject: Re: XCoupe > > Was read at 21:02, 14 Apr 96. > > Od dear, turn it off quick! Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From imc Tue Apr 16 16:49:33 1996 Subject: Re: My Sam's Ill :( To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 16:49:33 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <199604111600.QAA05035@vision.soton.ac.uk> from "tsp93ma@soton.ac.uk" at Apr 11, 96 05:00:12 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 651 Lines: 14 On Thu, 11 Apr 1996 17:00:12 +0100 (BST), tsp93ma@soton.ac.uk said: > I thought in my moment of sorrow I would share with you all the > passing of my sam into senility. Andrew's is worse than yours. I attempted to install a patch to debounce the break button, as you do (a procedure which I carried out on my own Sam earlier to no ill effect) and when I had finished the Sam no longer did anything when switched on except make a few processor-running noises and occasionally put blobs on the screen. Coincidentally, his power supply gives about 27 volts on the 12 volt output, whereas mine gives 12 volts. I think there may be a connection. imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Tue Apr 16 23:11:06 1996 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: Pion Software To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 13:35:15 +0000 Subject: Re: Told you so... Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Message-Id: <4812B5C6221@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 350 Lines: 12 > To quote Allan: > @/ I said it'd be quiet when all the students went home. > @/ I've had hardly any messages at all (sniff). Hiyall I've just got back from a massive amount of holliday away from chilly Edinburgh, to find a stonking 158 messages a-waiting. Odd, then, that most of them were boring, or at least in some part, identical. ;) dave From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Apr 17 00:00:04 1996 Message-Id: From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale) Subject: Re: SVAR's To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 14:33:56 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Geoff Winkless" at Apr 15, 96 10:58:41 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 440 Lines: 9 > Mine used to (before it died completely when my ex girlfriend stood > on it) crash every so often when you put a disk in, but that was cos > there was a break in one of the lines on the circuit board, and the > movement of inserting a disk meant the circuit line grew slightly further > apart... Tooke me absolutely ages to find the intermittent fault on my drive - it turned out that one of the pins on the i.c. was never soldered in. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Apr 17 00:02:51 1996 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: Pion Software To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 13:32:49 +0000 Subject: Re: Students Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Message-Id: <48120AA1CD1@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 565 Lines: 14 Marc Broster wrote: > In a despate attempt to fill some of my 5 week hoilday (read: sentence) in a > shite lincolnshire village, I've been spending some time playing around with > my parent's new P90, complete with Windows 95, and I've got to say this, I'am > impressed, okay, there's a /few/ bugs, but the whole thing fits together > nicely and there's been some good ideas put into it. i /love it/. " # LOOK MOMMY I'M A JEDI KNIGHT NOW # LOOK MOMMY I'M A JEDI KNIGHT NOW # LOOK MOMMY I'M A JEDI KNIGHT AND I *LOVE* IT " What does that prove? dave From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Apr 17 00:25:30 1996 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: Pion Software To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 13:54:34 +0000 Subject: Sam Senility Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Message-Id: <4817DCE2746@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2544 Lines: 56 Hmmm - here's another one. Mine refuses to even consider using its disc drive. I'd turn it on. Get the fizzy bit, then the black bit, then the multicolor bit, then the shite copyright bit. Everything ok. Then I'd put a disc in. Whirrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. So far so good. Press F9, Whirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Only it wouldn't stop whirring. Or indeed do anything else. ESCape sometimes worked (*sometimes*), but a swift NMI did the trick nicely. Errr, except it still wouldn't think about the disc drive. So I'd turn it off, then on. I'd notice a slight change in what I heard... (This is probably fundamental as this is the major symptom of the problem I reckon...) Normally (ie, when it works) when I tap the power button in, the disc drive goes click-clunk. Like a seatbelt (sorta), and the second click you can also hear through the TV. When it's busted it only goes clunk. Sounds kinda bad. Sure sign it's busted if it only goes clunk. 'Cept, of course, it sometimes goes click-clunk, and still doesn't use the disc. And then when I turn off then on again, it only goes clunk when I turn on. I generally leave it switched off (but still powered on at the PSU) for several minutes, usually sorts itself out. Not so long ago, I decided to investigate, like all good soldiers. Whipped the disc drive out to be confronted with a green ceramic disc capacitor with one leg flying in mid-air. It was on the board bit that connects to the FDC port. It seemed to have actually broken in two... (like, the other half of the leg was still soldered to the board). Swiftly fixed that of course, but it appears to have made little or no difference, it still bangs up occasionally. Hmm - any ideas? Also, several years ago, I blew my soundchip, and the keyboard bust as well (odd?). So, sent it off to SAMCO or whoever, possibly SAMTEC, not sure, whatever. Anyway, it came back ok, minus the disc drive. It was a special little disc drive cuz I'd painted the drive flap black, to match my SAMs feet (which I'd also painted black). They must've liked it so much they kept it. After around a month of phone calls to Wales (Charles Gill and Alan Miles, in fact) I got a replacement. Worked fine for ages (and even had a black flap, yippee!) until, as I said, went senile on me not sah long ago. Odd, most odd. dave. BTW - who was it who said that? I reckon it was Professor Yaffle off Bagpuss, my girlfriend (and pretty much everyone else I know) reckons it was Dougall off Magic Roundabout. Except, of course, I reckon I'm right. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Apr 17 09:37:54 1996 Message-Id: <9604170835.AA08231@dxmint.cern.ch> From: Allan Skillman Subject: XCoupe an the Gloucester show To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 17 Apr 96 10:35:33 METDST Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 947 Lines: 20 Hello All, A while back some kind soul on the mailing list offered to bring a PC running Linux down to Gloucester the saturday for the show so we can show off XCoupe. Unfortunately I've misplaced the original post. Can he (or she) get back in touch with me? cheers Allan +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Now available! XCoupe, the one and only SAM Coupe emulator | | *** http//www.hep.ucl.ac.uk/~ajs/xcoupe *** | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ | Allan Skillman | "There are five flavours of resons, the | | HEPP Group | elementary particles of magic : up, down, | | University College London | sideways, sex-appeal and peppermint." | | Email : ajs@hep.ucl.ac.uk | - Terry Pratchett (Lords and Ladies) | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ From imc Wed Apr 17 15:56:29 1996 Subject: Re: uploads To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 15:56:29 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <9604101310.AA22743@asmal.edh-net> from "Frode Tenneboe" at Apr 10, 96 03:10:36 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 284 Lines: 8 On Wed, 10 Apr 1996 15:10:36 +0200, Frode Tenneboe said: > I have just now moved the recently uploaded samtools from the incoming > directory at ftp.nvg.unit.no to ./misc/sun. Enjoy. So has anyone actually tried it out in connection with Xcoupe or couldn't you be bothered? :-) imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Apr 18 08:59:20 1996 Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 08:44:17 +0100 (BST) From: Tim Wells To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: My Sam's Ill :( In-Reply-To: <9604161549.AA03014@boothp2.ecs.ox.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 512 Lines: 15 > > Coincidentally, his power supply gives about 27 volts on the 12 volt output, > whereas mine gives 12 volts. I think there may be a connection. > > imc Coincidentally, I received a copy of Greenweld's Easter Offers List yesterday - they're giving 25% off everything in the list - which includes their stock of SAM power supplies. This takes the price down to about ukp 7-50 + p&p. Despite various warnings about the power supplies, I bought one a long while ago, and it's still working fine. Tim W. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Apr 18 10:06:12 1996 From: Mr Andrew M Gale Message-Id: <9604180849.AA24584@central.surrey.ac.uk> Subject: Re: My Sam's Ill :( To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 18 Apr 96 9:49:41 BST In-Reply-To: ; from "Tim Wells" at Apr 18, 96 8:44 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 219 Lines: 9 > Despite various warnings about the power supplies, I bought one a long > while ago, and it's still working fine. > > Tim W That warning was just to get you to buy them from West Coast rather than Greenweld...... From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Apr 18 15:15:36 1996 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: Pion Software To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 15:12:07 +0000 Subject: Re: Doom Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Message-Id: <4B2CA490B22@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 646 Lines: 20 ccaakrt said sommat like: > There is no point arguing what is impossible. Imagine someone told > you that it was possible to implement a full-screen, full-colour > first-person perspective 3D game with "monsters" which ran at 25 > frames per second on the Spectrum without much attribute clash! > You'd say they were talking rubbish. I wouldn't. Remember KNOT IN 3D? Ok, not quite full screen, but certainly full-colour (ish), first-person perspective 3d 'game', with 'monsters' (ie, other squiggly 3D lines) at 50 fps! And no attribute clash! ;) Get that on the SAM in any mode other than MODE 1 and I'll be a happy chappy. ;) daveee From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Apr 19 10:34:49 1996 Subject: Some problems... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 11:23:09 +0000 (MET) From: Edyta Janowska X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23~] Content-Type: text Message-Id: <9604191123.aa15563@usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 105 Lines: 7 Hi folks! Is there anybody, who knows how to add extra memory to SAM ? (eg. 1MegaByte ???) Pixel From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Apr 19 11:56:41 1996 Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 12:50:17 +0200 (MET DST) From: Ben Versteeg Subject: Re: Doom In-Reply-To: <4B2CA490B22@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> from Dave Hooper at "Apr 18, 96 03:12:07 pm" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-Id: <199604191050.MAA14435@charm.il.ft.hse.nl> X-Envelope-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.NO Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1326 Lines: 32 > ccaakrt said sommat like: > > > There is no point arguing what is impossible. Imagine someone told > > you that it was possible to implement a full-screen, full-colour > > first-person perspective 3D game with "monsters" which ran at 25 > > frames per second on the Spectrum without much attribute clash! > > You'd say they were talking rubbish. Wow ! I never knew that was possible ! > I wouldn't. > Remember KNOT IN 3D? Ok, not quite full screen, but certainly > full-colour (ish), first-person perspective 3d 'game', with > 'monsters' (ie, other squiggly 3D lines) at 50 fps! And no attribute > clash! > > ;) > > Get that on the SAM in any mode other than MODE 1 and I'll be a happy > chappy. ;) Yeah ! Doom which runs on a Z80 processor ! I think they will be very amazed here (those PC/Internet freaks) when I tell them ! -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Inner Products Holland _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/ Ben Versteeg _/ _/_/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ ben@charm.il.ft.hse.nl _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ www.il.ft.hse.nl/~ben _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Fri Apr 19 14:47:13 1996 Message-Id: <199604191338.PAA24370@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> Subject: After a long wait... at last... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 14:38:18 +0100 (MET DST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 490 Lines: 16 Hi everyone, Well, the printers have finally got around to printing the magazine for us, so I'm off to collect it. If you're at the show tomorrow, you can buy copies of Based On An Idea for 2 quid. If you've already subscribed to the mag (and have been waiting patiently for it to plop through your letter box), and you'll be at the show, I'll give you your copy there. Everyone else: see you tomorrow!!! :) Si ps. You'll know me, as per usual, as I'll be the one with the hat :) From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Sun Apr 21 22:55:00 1996 From: mne2@cableol.co.uk Message-Id: <9604212152.AA18548@mars.cableol.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 22:56:06 +0000 Subject: Sam Show Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 310 Lines: 11 Could someone please post a report of the goings on at the show as I was unable to get to it. Thanks Neil Maynard +-------------------------------+ |Neil Maynard | |E-Mail: mne2@cableol.co.uk | +-------------------------------+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Apr 22 12:01:53 1996 From: sh5655@bristol.ac.uk (SL. Harding) Message-Id: <199604221058.LAA16228@irix.bris.ac.uk> Subject: Re: My SAM.. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 11:58:16 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <3152A7F2.770A@planetconnect.co.uk> from "Allan" at Mar 22, 96 01:15:30 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 318 Lines: 10 > Yeah,my cursors and CNTRL key went about two years ago. Funny - This > guy called Doug Murdoch who writes in to FRED now and again has the > same problem. > ho-hum. > Allan. What did you do about it? send poor old SAM back to Blue Alpha (are they still around?) and get a new keyboard underlay? Num. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Apr 22 12:18:54 1996 From: sh5655@bristol.ac.uk (SL. Harding) Message-Id: <199604221113.MAA18814@irix.bris.ac.uk> Subject: Re: A new era?? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 12:13:54 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <67D947A4FA6@wmcu1.uwcm.ac.uk> from "NEIL A MAYNARD" at Apr 1, 96 03:44:28 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 951 Lines: 31 > Are there any plans to produce a new faster (?16+ bit) version of the > sam coupe (or any accelerators??) in the near future?? > I asked a similar question a while ago, It got very little response so I assume (hope) there is a top secret 'SAM squared' project underway! > What software is currently being developed out there (and when will > it be ready) ?? > Neil Maynard I don't surpose anyone can remember, but I am working on 'SAMfighter' the beet-em-up (in assembler). The main program is working well; The menu is now being finished; practicaly all of the moves for most of the 12 characters are finnished, It is just a case of tidying them up, finishing the odd remaining moves, starting on the backgrounds, perfecting the AI and writing a score calculating bit. Should be finished about halfway though the summer holls. I may be able to get an impressive demo of it out before the end of term if I can. C9 Num. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Apr 22 12:25:19 1996 From: sh5655@bristol.ac.uk (SL. Harding) Message-Id: <199604221122.MAA19861@irix.bris.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Sam Coupe to take over ID Software!! To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 12:21:59 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <3836E9E3C9A@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> from "James R Curry" at Mar 14, 96 07:20:25 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 324 Lines: 9 > The SAM could probably do a Doomish game with unfilled line vectors, > but anyone who expects a texture mapped, all singing, all dancing > version, running at any great speed is obviously insane. > Just because something isn't possible, doesn't mean to say it can't be done on a z80. thats what I always say. num. From imc Mon Apr 22 12:44:35 1996 Subject: Network To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 12:44:35 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1380 Lines: 39 Here's a hypothetical experiment... Connect two Sams up using the network ports. Without booting any DOS, type in a program on Sam number 1 and then: on sam 2 type DEVICE N:LOAD "" on sam 1 type DEVICE N:SAVE "test" As if by magic, the program should appear on the second Sam. Problem 1: if you boot up SamDOS then you will be greeted with the cheery message "Invalid device", so you have to unload the DOS first by poking &5bc2,0. Now boot up MasterDOS on Sam 1 and repeat the experiment (with still no DOS on Sam 2). So far so good - it still works. Now boot up MasterDOS on Sam 2 and repeat the experiment. This time, unless I'm much mistaken, Sam 2 sits there forever with a white border. It's trying to load the program off tape. * W H Y * ? What use is this? Apparently you can't use the network at all with MasterDOS, because you can't poke it out like you can with SamDOS. Why should booting up DOS remove an ability which was there on the native Sam? Does SNOS exist? How is one meant to use the net? Is it a silly bug with an easy fix? imc PS Did Dr Wright test the hook codes at all? Because, at least on SamDOS, they are full of bugs. Even the read-sector one stops dead until you put a disk in (instead of reporting an error, for example). SamDOS/ MasterDOS might be fast but compared to +3DOS the user interface is nonexistent. From imc Mon Apr 22 12:51:47 1996 Subject: Re: Sam Show To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 12:51:47 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <9604212152.AA18548@mars.cableol.net> from "mne2@cableol.co.uk" at Apr 21, 96 10:56:06 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1091 Lines: 21 On Sun, 21 Apr 1996 22:56:06 +0000, mne2@cableol.co.uk said: > Could someone please post a report of the goings on at the show as I > was unable to get to it. Well, there were some stalls and some people. David Ledbury and Bob Brenchley completely failed to have a punch-up. Colin played some more music on his Quazar. Dave Tonks's stall had a game playing an annoying tune ad infinitum. Derek Morgan fiddled with a video camera that gave greyscale pictures on your Sam if you kept very still for 15 seconds. Someone bought a +2 and an entire box of cassettes. Ice Chicken and Chess Mate were out. There was a strange demonstration of someone taking apart two Sam power supplies. :-) (Incidentally, I looked up the number of the zener diode (can't remember what it is now) and sure enough there is one of them in my power supply, on the bottom right which is where I expected to find it. In the same position Andrew's had a rectifier diode. He's had his PSU fixed by some general fix-it shop before, so what do you suppose are the odds that they incorrectly replaced this?) imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Apr 22 13:39:53 1996 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: Pion Software To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 13:36:10 +0000 Subject: Re: Some problems... Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Message-Id: <51133EF5DAD@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 501 Lines: 15 > Hi folks! > > Is there anybody, who knows how to add extra memory to SAM ? > (eg. 1MegaByte ???) > > Pixel You can (unless I'm mistaken, of course) add memory in 1Meg chunks from Blue Alpha. A meg circuit costs around 79 quid sterling I think, and plugs in the expansion port at the back of the Sam. To connect more than one, then, you'll also need the Sambus (is this still available?). I think that's around 30 quid sterling. Are 256K -> 512K upgrades still available? Anyone? daveee From imc Mon Apr 22 13:41:09 1996 Subject: Re: Some problems... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 13:41:09 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <51133EF5DAD@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> from "Dave Hooper" at Apr 22, 96 01:36:10 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 196 Lines: 7 On Mon, 22 Apr 1996 13:36:10 +0000, Dave Hooper said: > Are 256K -> 512K upgrades still available? Anyone? I noticed one on sale on Bob's stand at the show, but didn't look how much it was. imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Apr 22 14:54:23 1996 Subject: Extra memory To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 15:44:00 +0000 (MET) From: Edyta Janowska X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23~] Content-Type: text Message-Id: <9604221544.aa11737@usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1234 Lines: 31 Hi, Dave! Thanx for Your mail. 79 quids is a lot of money! I live in Poland (small country in Central Europe) and here one quid costs about 40.000 PLN (Polish New Zloty), so memory expansion would cost 3.132.350 PLN (!!!!). Good heavens! So, back to business. I have heared something about Ryan Interface, that allow to plug-in up to 1 GigaByte external memory for sam (how much does it cost?....) And another question: -How to plug in (what interface can be used) PC-compatible mouse to SAM ? -Is there some mouse schematics for Blue Alpha mouse ? Sorry for my imperfect English (I'm from Poland...), but Thanx for Your time _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ +--------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ ! PIXEL alias Witold Telus ! E-mail to: ! ! from Poland ! janowska@usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl ! +--------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Apr 22 16:54:46 1996 Message-Id: From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale) Subject: Re: Extra memory To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 16:51:39 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <9604221544.aa11737@usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl> from "Edyta Janowska" at Apr 22, 96 03:44:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 370 Lines: 12 > So, back to business. > I have heared something about Ryan Interface, that allow to plug-in > up to 1 GigaByte external memory for sam (how much does it cost?....) > I don't want to be rude, but this is one of those products that if/when it ever sees the light of day, ther's only likely to be three people owning one, so you'll have to be a bit of a coder!! -AG From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Mon Apr 22 18:49:46 1996 From: James R Curry Organization: Robotic Software To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 18:48:36 GMT Subject: Re: Students! Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Message-Id: <1D330F12CB2@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 783 Lines: 25 > Now all the students have gone home for a month, the SAM newsgroup, > and probably the internet in general, will be quite a bit quieter, I > expect. > > No James Curry, no Ian Collier, no Marc Broster... what will we do > without them? > > So, who's left, then? There's me, Malevolent, Brian Gaff, Cookie... > > Anyone else? > > > Al. Well, I'm back. -- +--------------------------------------------------------+ | The standard signature file.. | +---------------------+---------------+------------------+ |From : James R Curry | Date : Today | hc1jc@dmu.ac.uk | +---------------------+---------------+------------------+ | | +--------------------------------------------------------+ From imc Tue Apr 23 11:51:54 1996 Subject: Re: Some problems... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 11:51:54 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 658 Lines: 22 On Tue, 23 Apr 1996 11:47:41 GMT0BST, Colin... said: > > On Mon, 22 Apr 1996 13:36:10 +0000, Dave Hooper said: > > > Are 256K -> 512K upgrades still available? Anyone? > > You can get a 256K upgrade from FRED Publishing. I can't remember > the price off-hand, but e-mail Colin at insc4cgm@river.tay.ac.uk and > he'll tell you. I think it's about 30 quid. > > The address is: FRED PUBLISHING, > 40 ROUNDYHILL, > MONIFIETH, > DUNDEE > DD5 4RZ > > What a good employee I am. > > CA So why are you telling me? I've forwarded this to the list in case you sent it to me by accident... imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Apr 24 01:28:42 1996 Date: 23 Apr 96 07:27:18 EDT From: Andrew Collier <100751.545@compuserve.com> To: Sam users Subject: Re: My Sam *WAS* ill :-) Message-Id: <960423112717_100751.545_GHV60-1@CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 854 Lines: 20 On 22/04/96, Ian Collier reported: >There was a strange demonstration of someone taking apart >two Sam power supplies. :-) If anybody's interested, the ex-Colin Anderton one works fine now, though with the loudest 50Hz hum of any transformer in the house. The new replacement board also seems perfectly happy with the old disk drive and memory, except - eek! It's got a version 2 ROM - is it a simple matter to lift the chip from the old board? (Assuming that this wasn't blown in the first place). What are the major differences between ROM version 2 and version 3? I haven't had much time to test it so far, but machine code programs haven't complained at all yet. Lots of BASIC programs haven't worked, but I'd never loaded those before so that may not be a ROM problem. Bet my screen compressor won't work until I've altered it though ;) asc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Apr 24 01:28:42 1996 From: James R Curry Organization: Robotic Software To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 12:02:04 GMT Subject: Z80 commands X-Confirm-Reading-To: "James R Curry" X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Message-Id: <1E46AD0553D@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 468 Lines: 11 How many undocumented Z80 instructions are there? -- +--------------------------------------------------------+ | The standard signature file.. | +---------------------+---------------+------------------+ |From : James R Curry | Date : Today | hc1jc@dmu.ac.uk | +---------------------+---------------+------------------+ | | +--------------------------------------------------------+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Apr 24 06:41:40 1996 From: Vitezslav Sem Organization: SPSSE Liberec To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 07:28:00 +0100 Subject: News X-Confirm-Reading-To: "Vitezslav Sem" X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <54D7F633BB@prum.spsselib.hiedu.cz> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 667 Lines: 18 Hi. Are there any news in the WORLD of SAM? ****************************************************************** Kdyz jsem v tezke situaci, tak si reknu hlavu vzhuru mohlo by to byt horsi. A opravdu, za chvili to horsi je. - Skeeve carodej Vitezslav Sem Spsse Liberec Liane: Travis E-mail: vitezslav.sem@spsselib.hiedu.cz Linux: vitasem@pluto.spsselib.hiedu.cz ****************************************************************** From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Apr 24 07:07:42 1996 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 06:54:41 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <14704@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: News X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 306 Lines: 18 In message <54D7F633BB@prum.spsselib.hiedu.cz> "Vitezslav Sem" writes: > Hi. > > Are there any news in the WORLD of SAM? Well the Hard Drive interface cases are now finished if that is any help... Bob is feeling better after his illness.... Spring is here.... :-) Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Apr 24 08:53:12 1996 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 08:41:28 +0100 (BST) From: Tim Wells To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: My Sam *WAS* ill :-) In-Reply-To: <960423112717_100751.545_GHV60-1@CompuServe.COM> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 426 Lines: 12 > It's got a version 2 ROM - is it a simple matter to lift the chip from the old > board? (Assuming that this wasn't blown in the first place). Yes. That's essentially all I did when doing my ROM upgrade. (I upgraded from 2 to 3 because the MIDI Sequencer software I wanted to use wouldn't work with ROM v2) I've never seen any documentation of the differences between v2 and v3 though - anyone have any details? Tim W. From imc Wed Apr 24 17:07:22 1996 Subject: Re: My Sam *WAS* ill :-) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 17:07:22 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <960423112717_100751.545_GHV60-1@CompuServe.COM> from "Andrew Collier" at Apr 23, 96 07:27:18 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 447 Lines: 13 On 23 Apr 96 07:27:18 EDT, Andrew Collier said: > It's got a version 2 ROM - is it a simple matter to lift the chip from the old > board? (Assuming that this wasn't blown in the first place). Simple if you know how to take ICs out of sockets and put them back in the right way round. I probably wouldn't do it if I hadn't done a similar operation before... > Bet my screen compressor won't work until I've altered it though ;) Tut tut... imc From imc Wed Apr 24 17:13:48 1996 Subject: How to detect whether there's a disk in To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 17:13:48 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 589 Lines: 14 Just thought I'd mention it in case anyone's interested... 1. Send any command to the drive in order to start the disk motor. OUT &E0,&50 sends a 'move in one track' if I'm not mistaken. 2. Monitor the status port for a short time. If an index pulse arrives then there is a disk in. If it doesn't then there isn't. I seem to recall that IN &E0 BAND 2 checks for the existence of an index pulse. Now you can use the "read sector" hook code because it works as long as there is a disk in (provided you are OK with it reporting its own error if a disk error occurs). imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Apr 24 17:58:26 1996 Message-Id: From: geoffw@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Geoff Winkless) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 17:46:39 +0100 In-Reply-To: Ian.Collier -- "How to detect whether there's a disk in" (Apr 24, 5:13pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: How to detect whether there's a disk in Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 808 Lines: 24 On Apr 24, 5:13pm in "How to detect whether there's a disk in", warbled: ] Just thought I'd mention it in case anyone's interested... Doubt it. ;-) ] 1. Send any command to the drive in order to start the disk motor. ] OUT &E0,&50 sends a 'move in one track' if I'm not mistaken. How about a seek 0? ] 2. Monitor the status port for a short time. If an index pulse arrives ] then there is a disk in. If it doesn't then there isn't. I seem to ] recall that IN &E0 BAND 2 checks for the existence of an index pulse. Think so too. ] Now you can use the "read sector" hook code because it works as long as ] there is a disk in (provided you are OK with it reporting its own error ] if a disk error occurs). Naaah, just write your own. It's the best way to piss allan off :) -- Geoff From imc Wed Apr 24 18:01:47 1996 Subject: Re: How to detect whether there's a disk in To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 18:01:47 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Geoff Winkless" at Apr 24, 96 05:46:39 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 123 Lines: 6 On Wed, 24 Apr 1996 17:46:39 +0100, Geoff Winkless said: > How about a seek 0? What if you don't want it to be at 0? imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Wed Apr 24 18:40:59 1996 From: "Colin..." Organization: HSH, University of Nottingham To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 17:58:02 GMT0BST Subject: Re: News Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <4A8C15330@hhn1.hughall.nottingham.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 217 Lines: 8 > Kdyz jsem v tezke situaci, tak si reknu hlavu vzhuru mohlo by > to byt horsi. A opravdu, za chvili to horsi je. > - Skeeve carodej I couldn't agree more... CA From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Apr 25 12:00:08 1996 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 12:48:41 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9604251048.AA27394@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: A stroke of malice... X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 379 Lines: 12 Hi! Someone, somebody, something has deleted me from this list! Call X-files! And I thought we were just having a slow periode... :) Well, I have subscribed me onto again, but....what has happened since I left? Does anybody have a complete mailbox ox the list since 5th of February? Eh..I know it's a long time, but what can I say?? I have a lot of work. :) Regards -Frode From imc Thu Apr 25 12:05:45 1996 Subject: Re: A stroke of malice... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 12:05:45 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <9604251048.AA27394@asmal.edh-net> from "Frode Tenneboe" at Apr 25, 96 12:48:41 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 364 Lines: 14 On Thu, 25 Apr 1996 12:48:41 +0200, Frode Tenneboe said: > Someone, somebody, something has deleted me from this list! Call X-files! Well goodness me, so they have! (By coincidence I have a list of users from yesterday). > Does anybody have a complete mailbox ox the > list since 5th of February? As it happens... :-) It's only 224K long. imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Apr 25 13:05:59 1996 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 14:03:41 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9604251203.AA27424@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: A stroke of malice... X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 508 Lines: 21 > > On Thu, 25 Apr 1996 12:48:41 +0200, Frode Tenneboe said: > > Someone, somebody, something has deleted me from this list! Call X-files! > > Well goodness me, so they have! (By coincidence I have a list of users from > yesterday). I'm back now. If I ever catch the ba****d who did this.... > > > Does anybody have a complete mailbox ox the > > list since 5th of February? > > As it happens... :-) > > It's only 224K long. Goodness - how about a gziped, uuencoded mail? :) -Frode From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Apr 25 14:33:30 1996 Message-Id: X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 14:27:15 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: simon.cooke@umist.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Sam Show Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 743 Lines: 14 >(Incidentally, I looked up the number of the zener diode (can't remember >what it is now) and sure enough there is one of them in my power supply, >on the bottom right which is where I expected to find it. In the same >position Andrew's had a rectifier diode. He's had his PSU fixed by some >general fix-it shop before, so what do you suppose are the odds that they >incorrectly replaced this?) Now /that/ sounds about right ;) Simon +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) -+ | Snail:26 Woodhouse Lane, Sale, Cheshire, M33 4JX Pager*: (01426) 208084| | Tel: (0161) 976 3426 | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc --*55p/min peak, 35p/min offpeak -+ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Apr 25 14:52:46 1996 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: Pion Software To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 14:52:14 +0000 Subject: Re: How to detect whether there's a disk in Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Message-Id: <55A7A853469@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1077 Lines: 22 > Just thought I'd mention it in case anyone's interested... > > 1. Send any command to the drive in order to start the disk motor. > OUT &E0,&50 sends a 'move in one track' if I'm not mistaken. > > 2. Monitor the status port for a short time. If an index pulse arrives > then there is a disk in. If it doesn't then there isn't. I seem to > recall that IN &E0 BAND 2 checks for the existence of an index pulse. > > Now you can use the "read sector" hook code because it works as long as > there is a disk in (provided you are OK with it reporting its own error > if a disk error occurs). > If you can guarantee that the disc is going to be write-enabled, (er, or it could be write-protected) then you can check for this flag being set as you put the disc in. (ie, this flag changes automatically as soon as the disc is inserted, reflecting the write-protectedness of the disc. I can't remember what the default state is though. If this flag changes, basically, a disc is in. If not, there could still be a disc in. Saves some code, that's all) dave From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Apr 25 15:01:05 1996 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: Pion Software To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 14:59:37 +0000 Subject: Re: My Sam *WAS* ill :-) Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Message-Id: <55A998365E8@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 811 Lines: 18 > > It's got a version 2 ROM - is it a simple matter to lift the chip from the old > > board? (Assuming that this wasn't blown in the first place). > > Yes. That's essentially all I did when doing my ROM upgrade. > (I upgraded from 2 to 3 because the MIDI Sequencer software I wanted to > use wouldn't work with ROM v2) I don't know what ROM i've got, but I have a feeling I bought the replacement at an all formats show many moons ago, so I guess it's a version 2. Which is odd, because I'm using The MIDI Sequencer Version3 by Tim someone in Dundee (erm, I think), and it works fine. So: How much other Midi software IS there? And how does it compare? (I find the event editing in text mode a bit clunky. Perfectly usable, just not sparkly, and I think there could be a bug on ) dave From imc Thu Apr 25 15:03:29 1996 Subject: Re: A stroke of malice... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 15:03:29 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <9604251203.AA27424@asmal.edh-net> from "Frode Tenneboe" at Apr 25, 96 02:03:41 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 332 Lines: 10 On Thu, 25 Apr 1996 14:03:41 +0200, Frode Tenneboe said: > > It's only 224K long. > Goodness - how about a gziped, uuencoded mail? :) Oops - I counted lines instead of bytes in one section of that file. It's actually 754K long. However, a 194K uu file should be on its way to you right now, if the mail system is up to it. imc From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Apr 25 15:16:09 1996 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: Pion Software To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 15:08:02 +0000 Subject: Re: Extra memory Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Message-Id: <55ABDB01565@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 581 Lines: 15 Pixel wrote: > And another question: > -How to plug in (what interface can be used) PC-compatible mouse > to SAM ? You'll need the SAM mouse interface. I'm really not too knowledgable about all this stuff, since I don't have one, but... anyway, SamCo made one and it cost about 40 pounds sterling (including a decent mouse and mouse mat) so I guess the interface was around 25 - 30 pounds. BUT: I don't know if West Coast Computers (or anyone, for that matter) make them. If anyone still makes them, that's all you need to connect a PC-compatible mouse to the SAM. davee From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Apr 25 15:45:04 1996 From: tsp93ma@soton.ac.uk Message-Id: <199604251441.OAA20037@vision.soton.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Pc Mouse on Sam To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 15:41:26 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <55ABDB01565@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> from "Dave Hooper" at Apr 25, 96 03:08:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 953 Lines: 26 To quote Dave Hooper: @/ Pixel wrote: @/ > And another question: @/ > -How to plug in (what interface can be used) PC-compatible mouse @/ > to SAM ? @/ You'll need the SAM mouse interface. I'm really not too knowledgable @/ about all this stuff, since I don't have one, but... anyway, SamCo @/ made one and it cost about 40 pounds sterling (including a decent @/ mouse and mouse mat) so I guess the interface was around 25 - 30 @/ pounds. BUT: I don't know if West Coast Computers (or anyone, for @/ that matter) make them. If anyone still makes them, that's all you @/ need to connect a PC-compatible mouse to the SAM. Erm, hold on. The SamCo mouse interface takes Atari ST compatible mice, which I thought were entirely different from PC mice? Don't think there is one that'll take a PC mouse. Tim ....@/ -- Tim Paveley - Maths with Computer Science - University of Southampton Sam Coupe Web Pages: http://www.soton.ac.uk/~tsp93ma/Coupe/ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Apr 25 16:03:15 1996 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 16:56:46 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9604251456.AA27627@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: A stroke of malice... X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 426 Lines: 14 > > On Thu, 25 Apr 1996 14:03:41 +0200, Frode Tenneboe said: > > > It's only 224K long. > > > Goodness - how about a gziped, uuencoded mail? :) > > Oops - I counted lines instead of bytes in one section of that file. It's > actually 754K long. However, a 194K uu file should be on its way to you > right now, if the mail system is up to it. 325 posting. Thanks a million. I'm gonna kill that nobb! *grumble* :) -Frode From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Apr 25 16:23:16 1996 From: Mr Andrew M Gale Message-Id: <9604251511.AA22359@central.surrey.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Extra memory To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 25 Apr 96 16:11:10 BST In-Reply-To: <55ABDB01565@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk>; from "Dave Hooper" at Apr 25, 96 3:08 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 649 Lines: 13 > You'll need the SAM mouse interface. I'm really not too knowledgable > about all this stuff, since I don't have one, but... anyway, SamCo > made one and it cost about 40 pounds sterling (including a decent > mouse and mouse mat) so I guess the interface was around 25 - 30 > pounds. BUT: I don't know if West Coast Computers (or anyone, for > that matter) make them. If anyone still makes them, that's all you > need to connect a PC-compatible mouse to the SAM. The SAMCo mouse interface was for Atari mice, not PC mice. The PC mouse is serial and I remember hearing Simon say he'd managed to get one to work via the comms interface....\ From sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no Thu Apr 25 21:01:01 1996 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 20:50:41 +0100 X400-Originator: sam-users-owner@nvg.unit.no X400-Recipients: non-disclosure:; X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=uninett/ADMD= /C=no/;<96Apr25.215124+0100met_dst.6259] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: Re: Extra mem... From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <96Apr25.215124+0100met_dst.62590-18771+1@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Cc: " (Simon Cooke)" In-Reply-To: <9604251511.AA22359@central.surrey.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Extra memory Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 662 Lines: 16 > The SAMCo mouse interface was for Atari mice, not PC mice. The > PC mouse is serial and I remember hearing Simon say he'd managed > to get one to work via the comms interface....\ Yeah, but not all mice will work with it due to the fact that there's no DTR or DSR line on the mouse interface (well, at least on a modified one there isn't - but whichever one you have there's always three I/O lines missing). Basically it involves reading at 1200 baud, 7N1. THe first byte in each data packet has bit 6 set. If anyone really wants me to, I could dig out more info for you, but it's really interrupt dependent. Using the FIFO might work though. Simon