From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed May 1 10:14:42 1996 Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 10:12:24 +0100 From: D.J.Gray-ELAI@cs.bham.ac.uk Message-Id: <2368.199605010912@mb4.cs.bham.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 222 Lines: 14 Is anyone out there? All my messages from the sam mailing list stopped on the 25 of April... hmmm. Maybe I should try a differant Email account. Yawwwn - too many late nights again. Plug - buy a Quasar sound card. From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed May 1 10:54:23 1996 Date: Wed, 01 May 1996 10:46:32 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <14837@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: No Subject specified X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 460 Lines: 25 In message <2368.199605010912@mb4.cs.bham.ac.uk> D.J.Gray-ELAI@cs.bham.ac.uk writes: > > > Is anyone out there? > > All my messages from the sam mailing list stopped on the 25 of April... > > hmmm. > > Maybe I should try a differant Email account. > > Yawwwn - too many late nights again. > > Plug - buy a Quasar sound card. > > You know what will happen now...... I will keep my head down. Brian Life is always fatal.... -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From imc Wed May 1 11:58:47 1996 Subject: Masterdos, hook codes, etc etc To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 11:58:47 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 706 Lines: 15 It turns out that if you type LOAD "n:x" then MasterDOS will attempt to load something called x from the network. Which is good, because that's what I expected it to do. However, that does not explain why typing DEVICE n: LOAD "x" tries to load from tape... I discovered another problem with the load sector hook code the other day... it puts the data into page 0, 1 or 2 according to where HL points. So if you want the data in page 6 then that's tough - you have to load it in page 0 first and then transfer it. This is the second block transfer that happens to the data, so if you want it to be quick then tough... imc PS Has anyone played "worms"? Is there a Sam version? If not, why not?... From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed May 1 12:30:42 1996 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: Edinburgh Uni (CS and MATHS) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 12:30:37 +0000 Subject: Re: Z80 commands Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Message-Id: <5E822883630@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 189 Lines: 9 Re James Curry: > How many undocumented Z80 instructions are there? > I can post up a list if you like, I got it off the internet but I can't remember where, but it's kinda big. davee From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed May 1 13:38:21 1996 From: sh5655@bristol.ac.uk (SL. Harding) Message-Id: <199605011232.NAA24932@irix.bris.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Master d(worms) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 13:32:17 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <9605011058.AA08722@boothp2.ecs.ox.ac.uk> from "Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk" at May 1, 96 11:58:47 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 303 Lines: 13 > imc > PS Has anyone played "worms"? Is there a Sam version? If not, why not?... > yup! its one of the very few PC games worth playing! The control logic should be relatively easy, but can anyone handle the 3 or so layers of paralax in the background and the layers of 'water' at the bottom? From imc Wed May 1 13:41:18 1996 Subject: Re: Master d(worms) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 13:41:18 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <199605011232.NAA24932@irix.bris.ac.uk> from "SL. Harding" at May 1, 96 01:32:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 393 Lines: 10 On Wed, 1 May 1996 13:32:17 +0100 (BST), you said: > The control logic should be relatively easy, but can anyone handle the 3 or > so layers of paralax in the background and the layers of 'water' at the > bottom? My answer to that is: if lemmings could do it then worms can. On the other hand, if lemmings didn't contain those things then worms doesn't need to (would be nice though). imc From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed May 1 14:15:02 1996 Date: 01 May 96 09:09:24 EDT From: Christopher White <100606.175@compuserve.com> To: HELLO Subject: Re: Worms Message-Id: <960501130924_100606.175_BHL98-2@CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 226 Lines: 12 A few simple changes to Lemmings Source Should Do the Trick. Any Body want the job the Let me know. Also you may have to contact Colin Macdonald to check if okay 'cause I think he still owns the source code ?????? Chris From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed May 1 14:15:17 1996 Date: 01 May 96 09:09:22 EDT From: Christopher White <100606.175@CompuServe.COM> To: HELLO Subject: Re: Z80 commands Message-Id: <960501130922_100606.175_BHL98-1@CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 59 Lines: 3 Can I have the list 'cause mines gone walkings somewhere From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed May 1 14:17:32 1996 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: Edinburgh Uni (CS and MATHS) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 14:18:17 +0000 Subject: Re: z80 commands Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Message-Id: <5E9EDEC1B0F@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 153 Lines: 6 Sorry, I deleted the message before I took the email address! Could you slap it up again? (or should I just post them up here? Any body mind?) daveee From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed May 1 16:02:50 1996 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: Edinburgh Uni (CS and MATHS) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 16:02:46 +0000 Subject: Spectrum compatability chip... Priority: urgent X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Message-Id: <5EBAB6D43DA@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 303 Lines: 11 A friend says his sam has been defunct since he fitted a chip to 'improve spectrum compatability with earlier machines' (?) Does he mean a ROM upgrade? And if it's been fitted wrong, what's the most likely repair (EXCLUDING replacing the chip & checking the keyboard membrane connections) davee From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed May 1 16:40:59 1996 Message-Id: From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale) Subject: Re: Spectrum compatability chip... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 16:39:28 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <5EBAB6D43DA@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> from "Dave Hooper" at May 1, 96 04:02:46 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 346 Lines: 12 > A friend says his sam has been defunct since he fitted a chip to > 'improve spectrum compatability with earlier machines' > (?) Hmm. I'd have thought he was thinking of the ROM, but I did hear stories that early sams had gold asics - these being test versions sent by the manufacturer. Can't see why they'd need replacing though. -Andy From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed May 1 17:38:30 1996 Date: 01 May 96 12:35:26 EDT From: Christopher White <100606.175@compuserve.com> To: HELLO Subject: Re: Re: z80 commands Message-Id: <960501163525_100606.175_BHL34-1@CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 43 Lines: 3 Get address again Or post onto Sam Users From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed May 1 17:42:49 1996 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: Edinburgh Uni (CS and MATHS) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 17:43:36 +0000 Subject: Re: Re: z80 commands Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Message-Id: <5ED59C63B4E@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 29752 Lines: 256 +-------------------------------+-------------------+------------------+------------------+-------------------------+ | Hex | Dec | Normal | DD Prefix | CB Prefix | ED Prefix | DDCB prefix | +-------------------------------+-------------------+------------------+------------------+-------------------------+ |[ 00 | 000 ] | NOP | +NOP | RLC B | *NOP | *LD B,RLC (IX+d) | |[ 01 | 001 ] | LD BC,nn | +LD BC,nn | RLC C | *NOP | *LD C,RLC (IX+d) | |[ 02 | 002 ] | LD (BC),A | +LD (BC),A | RLC D | *NOP | *LD D,RLC (IX+d) | |[ 03 | 003 ] | INC BC | +INC BC | RLC E | *NOP | *LD E,RLC (IX+d) | |[ 04 | 004 ] | INC B | +INC B | RLC H | *NOP | *LD H,RLC (IX+d) | |[ 05 | 005 ] | DEC B | +DEC B | RLC L | *NOP | *LD L,RLC (IX+d) | |[ 06 | 006 ] | LD B,n | +LD B,n | RLC (HL) | *NOP | RLC (IX+d) | |[ 07 | 007 ] | RLCA | +RLCA | RLC A | *NOP | *LD A,RLC (IX+d) | |[ 08 | 008 ] | EX AF,AF' | +EX AF,AF' | RRC B | *NOP | *LD B,RRC (IX+d) | |[ 09 | 009 ] | ADD HL,BC | ADD IX,BC | RRC C | *NOP | *LD C,RRC (IX+d) | |[ 0a | 010 ] | LD A,(BC) | +LD A,(BC) | RRC D | *NOP | *LD D,RRC (IX+d) | |[ 0b | 011 ] | DEC BC | +DEC BC | RRC E | *NOP | *LD E,RRC (IX+d) | |[ 0c | 012 ] | INC C | +INC C | RRC H | *NOP | *LD H,RRC (IX+d) | |[ 0d | 013 ] | DEC C | +DEC C | RRC L | *NOP | *LD L,RRC (IX+d) | |[ 0e | 014 ] | LD C,n | +LD C,n | RRC (HL) | *NOP | RRC (IX+d) | |[ 0f | 015 ] | RRCA | +RRCA | RRC A | *NOP | *LD A,RRC (IX+d) | |[ 10 | 016 ] | DJNZ d | +DJNZ d | RL B | *NOP | *LD B,RL (IX+d) | |[ 11 | 017 ] | LD DE,nn | +LD DE,nn | RL C | *NOP | *LD C,RL (IX+d) | |[ 12 | 018 ] | LD (DE),A | +LD (DE),A | RL D | *NOP | *LD D,RL (IX+d) | |[ 13 | 019 ] | INC DE | +INC DE | RL E | *NOP | *LD E,RL (IX+d) | |[ 14 | 020 ] | INC D | +INC D | RL H | *NOP | *LD H,RL (IX+d) | |[ 15 | 021 ] | DEC D | +DEC D | RL L | *NOP | *LD L,RL (IX+d) | |[ 16 | 022 ] | LD D,n | +LD D,n | RL (HL) | *NOP | RL (IX+d) | |[ 17 | 023 ] | RLA | +RLA | RL A | *NOP | *LD A,RL (IX+d) | |[ 18 | 024 ] | JR d | +JR d | RR B | *NOP | *LD B,RR (IX+d) | |[ 19 | 025 ] | ADD HL,DE | ADD IX,DE | RR C | *NOP | *LD C,RR (IX+d) | |[ 1a | 026 ] | LD A,(DE) | +LD A,(DE) | RR D | *NOP | *LD D,RR (IX+d) | |[ 1b | 027 ] | DEC DE | +DEC DE | RR E | *NOP | *LD E,RR (IX+d) | |[ 1c | 028 ] | INC E | +INC E | RR H | *NOP | *LD H,RR (IX+d) | |[ 1d | 029 ] | DEC E | +DEC E | RR L | *NOP | *LD L,RR (IX+d) | |[ 1e | 030 ] | LD E,n | +LD E,n | RR (HL) | *NOP | RR (IX+d) | |[ 1f | 031 ] | RRA | +RRA | RR A | *NOP | *LD A,RR (IX+d) | |[ 20 | 032 ] | JR NZ,d | +JR NZ,d | SLA B | *NOP | *LD B,SLA (IX+d) | |[ 21 | 033 ] | LD HL,nn | LD IX,nn | SLA C | *NOP | *LD C,SLA (IX+d) | |[ 22 | 034 ] | LD (nn),HL | LD (nn),IX | SLA D | *NOP | *LD D,SLA (IX+d) | |[ 23 | 035 ] | INC HL | INC IX | SLA E | *NOP | *LD E,SLA (IX+d) | |[ 24 | 036 ] | INC H | *INC IXh | SLA H | *NOP | *LD H,SLA (IX+d) | |[ 25 | 037 ] | DEC H | *DEC IXh | SLA L | *NOP | *LD L,SLA (IX+d) | |[ 26 | 038 ] | LD H,n | *LD IXh,n | SLA (HL) | *NOP | SLA (IX+d) | |[ 27 | 039 ] | DAA | +DAA | SLA A | *NOP | *LD A,SLA (IX+d) | |[ 28 | 040 ] | JR Z,d | +JR Z,d | SRA B | *NOP | *LD B,SRA (IX+d) | |[ 29 | 041 ] | ADD HL,HL | ADD IX,IX | SRA C | *NOP | *LD C,SRA (IX+d) | |[ 2a | 042 ] | LD HL,(nn) | LD IX,(nn) | SRA D | *NOP | *LD D,SRA (IX+d) | |[ 2b | 043 ] | DEC HL | DEC IX | SRA E | *NOP | *LD E,SRA (IX+d) | |[ 2c | 044 ] | INC L | *INC IXl | SRA H | *NOP | *LD H,SRA (IX+d) | |[ 2d | 045 ] | DEC L | *DEC IXl | SRA L | *NOP | *LD L,SRA (IX+d) | |[ 2e | 046 ] | LD L,n | *LD IXl,n | SRA (HL) | *NOP | SRA (IX+d) | |[ 2f | 047 ] | CPL | +CPL | SRA A | *NOP | *LD A,SRA (IX+d) | |[ 30 | 048 ] | JR NC,d | +JR NC,d | SLL B | *NOP | *LD B,SLL (IX+d) | |[ 31 | 049 ] | LD SP,nn | +LD SP,nn | SLL C | *NOP | *LD C,SLL (IX+d) | |[ 32 | 050 ] | LD (nn),A | +LD (nn),A | SLL D | *NOP | *LD D,SLL (IX+d) | |[ 33 | 051 ] | INC SP | +INC SP | SLL E | *NOP | *LD E,SLL (IX+d) | |[ 34 | 052 ] | INC (HL) | INC (IX+d) | SLL H | *NOP | *LD H,SLL (IX+d) | |[ 35 | 053 ] | DEC (HL) | DEC (IX+d) | SLL L | *NOP | *LD L,SLL (IX+d) | |[ 36 | 054 ] | LD (HL),n | LD (IX+d),n | SLL (HL) | *NOP | SLL (IX+d) | |[ 37 | 055 ] | SCF | +SCF | SLL A | *NOP | *LD A,SLL (IX+d) | |[ 38 | 056 ] | JR C,d | +JR C,d | SRL B | *NOP | *LD B,SRL (IX+d) | |[ 39 | 057 ] | ADD HL,SP | ADD IX,SP | SRL C | *NOP | *LD C,SRL (IX+d) | |[ 3a | 058 ] | LD A,(nn) | +LD A,(nn) | SRL D | *NOP | *LD D,SRL (IX+d) | |[ 3b | 059 ] | DEC SP | +DEC SP | SRL E | *NOP | *LD E,SRL (IX+d) | |[ 3c | 060 ] | INC A | +INC A | SRL H | *NOP | *LD H,SRL (IX+d) | |[ 3d | 061 ] | DEC A | +DEC A | SRL L | *NOP | *LD L,SRL (IX+d) | |[ 3e | 062 ] | LD A,n | +LD A,n | SRL (HL) | *NOP | SRL (IX+d) | |[ 3f | 063 ] | CCF | +CCF | SRL A | *NOP | *LD A,SRL (IX+d) | |[ 40 | 064 ] | LD B,B | +LD B,B | BIT 0,B | IN B,(C) | *BIT 0,(IX+d) | |[ 41 | 065 ] | LD B,C | +LD B,C | BIT 0,C | OUT (C),B | *BIT 0,(IX+d) | |[ 42 | 066 ] | LD B,D | +LD B,D | BIT 0,D | SBC HL,BC | *BIT 0,(IX+d) | |[ 43 | 067 ] | LD B,E | +LD B,E | BIT 0,E | LD (nn),BC | *BIT 0,(IX+d) | |[ 44 | 068 ] | LD B,H | *LD B,IXh | BIT 0,H | NEG | *BIT 0,(IX+d) | |[ 45 | 069 ] | LD B,L | *LD B,IXl | BIT 0,L | RETN | *BIT 0,(IX+d) | |[ 46 | 070 ] | LD B,(HL) | LD B,(IX+d) | BIT 0,(HL) | IM 0 | BIT 0,(IX+d) | |[ 47 | 071 ] | LD B,A | +LD B,A | BIT 0,A | LD I,A | *BIT 0,(IX+d) | |[ 48 | 072 ] | LD C,B | +LD C,B | BIT 1,B | IN C,(C) | *BIT 1,(IX+d) | |[ 49 | 073 ] | LD C,C | +LD C,C | BIT 1,C | OUT (C),C | *BIT 1,(IX+d) | |[ 4a | 074 ] | LD C,D | +LD C,D | BIT 1,D | ADC HL,BC | *BIT 1,(IX+d) | |[ 4b | 075 ] | LD C,E | +LD C,E | BIT 1,E | LD BC,(nn) | *BIT 1,(IX+d) | |[ 4c | 076 ] | LD C,H | *LD C,IXh | BIT 1,H | *NEG | *BIT 1,(IX+d) | |[ 4d | 077 ] | LD C,L | *LD C,IXl | BIT 1,L | RETI | *BIT 1,(IX+d) | |[ 4e | 078 ] | LD C,(HL) | LD C,(IX+d) | BIT 1,(HL) | *IM * (0?) | BIT 1,(IX+d) | |[ 4f | 079 ] | LD C,A | +LD C,A | BIT 1,A | LD R,A | *BIT 1,(IX+d) | |[ 50 | 080 ] | LD D,B | +LD D,B | BIT 2,B | IN D,(C) | *BIT 2,(IX+d) | |[ 51 | 081 ] | LD D,C | +LD D,C | BIT 2,C | OUT (C),D | *BIT 2,(IX+d) | |[ 52 | 082 ] | LD D,D | +LD D,D | BIT 2,D | SBC HL,DE | *BIT 2,(IX+d) | |[ 53 | 083 ] | LD D,E | +LD D,E | BIT 2,E | LD (nn),DE | *BIT 2,(IX+d) | |[ 54 | 084 ] | LD D,H | *LD D,IXh | BIT 2,H | *NEG | *BIT 2,(IX+d) | |[ 55 | 085 ] | LD D,L | *LD D,IXl | BIT 2,L | *RETN | *BIT 2,(IX+d) | |[ 56 | 086 ] | LD D,(HL) | LD D,(IX+d) | BIT 2,(HL) | IM 1 | BIT 2,(IX+d) | |[ 57 | 087 ] | LD D,A | +LD D,A | BIT 2,A | LD A,I | *BIT 2,(IX+d) | |[ 58 | 088 ] | LD E,B | +LD E,B | BIT 3,B | IN E,(C) | *BIT 3,(IX+d) | |[ 59 | 089 ] | LD E,C | +LD E,C | BIT 3,C | OUT (C),E | *BIT 3,(IX+d) | |[ 5a | 090 ] | LD E,D | +LD E,D | BIT 3,D | ADC HL,DE | *BIT 3,(IX+d) | |[ 5b | 091 ] | LD E,E | +LD E,E | BIT 3,E | LD DE,(nn) | *BIT 3,(IX+d) | |[ 5c | 092 ] | LD E,H | *LD E,IXh | BIT 3,H | *NEG | *BIT 3,(IX+d) | |[ 5d | 093 ] | LD E,L | *LD E,IXl | BIT 3,L | *RETI | *BIT 3,(IX+d) | |[ 5e | 094 ] | LD E,(HL) | LD E,(IX+d) | BIT 3,(HL) | IM 2 | BIT 3,(IX+d) | |[ 5f | 095 ] | LD E,A | +LD E,A | BIT 3,A | LD A,R | *BIT 3,(IX+d) | |[ 60 | 096 ] | LD H,B | *LD IXh,B | BIT 4,B | IN H,(C) | *BIT 4,(IX+d) | |[ 61 | 097 ] | LD H,C | *LD IXh,C | BIT 4,C | OUT (C),H | *BIT 4,(IX+d) | |[ 62 | 098 ] | LD H,D | *LD IXh,D | BIT 4,D | SBC HL,HL | *BIT 4,(IX+d) | |[ 63 | 099 ] | LD H,E | *LD IXh,E | BIT 4,E | LD (nn),HL | *BIT 4,(IX+d) | |[ 64 | 100 ] | LD H,H | *LD IXh,IXh | BIT 4,H | *NEG | *BIT 4,(IX+d) | |[ 65 | 101 ] | LD H,L | *LD IXh,IXl | BIT 4,L | *RETN | *BIT 4,(IX+d) | |[ 66 | 102 ] | LD H,(HL) | LD H,(IX+d) | BIT 4,(HL) | *IM 0 | BIT 4,(IX+d) | |[ 67 | 103 ] | LD H,A | *LD IXh,A | BIT 4,A | RRD | *BIT 4,(IX+d) | |[ 68 | 104 ] | LD L,B | *LD IXl,B | BIT 5,B | IN L,(C) | *BIT 5,(IX+d) | |[ 69 | 105 ] | LD L,C | *LD IXl,C | BIT 5,C | OUT (C),L | *BIT 5,(IX+d) | |[ 6a | 106 ] | LD L,D | *LD IXl,D | BIT 5,D | ADC HL,HL | *BIT 5,(IX+d) | |[ 6b | 107 ] | LD L,E | *LD IXl,E | BIT 5,E | LD HL,(nn) | *BIT 5,(IX+d) | |[ 6c | 108 ] | LD L,H | *LD IXl,IXh | BIT 5,H | *NEG | *BIT 5,(IX+d) | |[ 6d | 109 ] | LD L,L | *LD IXl,IXl | BIT 5,L | *RETI | *BIT 5,(IX+d) | |[ 6e | 110 ] | LD L,(HL) | LD L,(IX+d) | BIT 5,(HL) | *IM * (0?) | BIT 5,(IX+d) | |[ 6f | 111 ] | LD L,A | *LD IXl,A | BIT 5,A | RLD | *BIT 5,(IX+d) | |[ 70 | 112 ] | LD (HL),B | LD (IX+d),B | BIT 6,B | *IN X,(C) | *BIT 6,(IX+d) | |[ 71 | 113 ] | LD (HL),C | LD (IX+d),C | BIT 6,C | *OUT (C),X(0)| *BIT 6,(IX+d) | |[ 72 | 114 ] | LD (HL),D | LD (IX+d),D | BIT 6,D | SBC HL,SP | *BIT 6,(IX+d) | |[ 73 | 115 ] | LD (HL),E | LD (IX+d),E | BIT 6,E | LD (nn),SP | *BIT 6,(IX+d) | |[ 74 | 116 ] | LD (HL),H | LD (IX+d),H | BIT 6,H | *NEG | *BIT 6,(IX+d) | |[ 75 | 117 ] | LD (HL),L | LD (IX+d),L | BIT 6,L | *RETN | *BIT 6,(IX+d) | |[ 76 | 118 ] | HALT | +HALT | BIT 6,(HL) | *IM 1 | BIT 6,(IX+d) | |[ 77 | 119 ] | LD (HL),A | LD (IX+d),A | BIT 6,A | *NOP | *BIT 6,(IX+d) | |[ 78 | 120 ] | LD A,B | +LD A,B | BIT 7,B | IN A,(C) | *BIT 7,(IX+d) | |[ 79 | 121 ] | LD A,C | +LD A,C | BIT 7,C | OUT (C),A | *BIT 7,(IX+d) | |[ 7a | 122 ] | LD A,D | +LD A,D | BIT 7,D | ADC HL,SP | *BIT 7,(IX+d) | |[ 7b | 123 ] | LD A,E | +LD A,E | BIT 7,E | LD SP,(nn) | *BIT 7,(IX+d) | |[ 7c | 124 ] | LD A,H | *LD A,IXh | BIT 7,H | *NEG | *BIT 7,(IX+d) | |[ 7d | 125 ] | LD A,L | *LD A,IXl | BIT 7,L | *RETI | *BIT 7,(IX+d) | |[ 7e | 126 ] | LD A,(HL) | LD A,(IX+d) | BIT 7,(HL) | *IM 2 | BIT 7,(IX+d) | |[ 7f | 127 ] | LD A,A | +LD A,A | BIT 7,A | *NOP | *BIT 7,(IX+d) | |[ 80 | 128 ] | ADD A,B | +ADD A,B | RES 0,B | *NOP | *LD B,RES 0,(IX+d) | |[ 81 | 129 ] | ADD A,C | +ADD A,C | RES 0,C | *NOP | *LD C,RES 0,(IX+d) | |[ 82 | 130 ] | ADD A,D | +ADD A,D | RES 0,D | *NOP | *LD D,RES 0,(IX+d) | |[ 83 | 131 ] | ADD A,E | +ADD A,E | RES 0,E | *NOP | *LD E,RES 0,(IX+d) | |[ 84 | 132 ] | ADD A,H | *ADD A,IXh | RES 0,H | *NOP | *LD H,RES 0,(IX+d) | |[ 85 | 133 ] | ADD A,L | *ADD A,IXl | RES 0,L | *NOP | *LD L,RES 0,(IX+d) | |[ 86 | 134 ] | ADD A,(HL) | ADD A,(IX+d) | RES 0,(HL) | *NOP | RES 0,(IX+d) | |[ 87 | 135 ] | ADD A,A | +ADD A,A | RES 0,A | *NOP | *LD A,RES 0,(IX+d) | |[ 88 | 136 ] | ADC A,B | +ADC A,B | RES 1,B | *NOP | *LD B,RES 1,(IX+d) | |[ 89 | 137 ] | ADC A,C | +ADC A,C | RES 1,C | *NOP | *LD C,RES 1,(IX+d) | |[ 8a | 138 ] | ADC A,D | +ADC A,D | RES 1,D | *NOP | *LD D,RES 1,(IX+d) | |[ 8b | 139 ] | ADC A,E | +ADC A,E | RES 1,E | *NOP | *LD E,RES 1,(IX+d) | |[ 8c | 140 ] | ADC A,H | *ADC A,IXh | RES 1,H | *NOP | *LD H,RES 1,(IX+d) | |[ 8d | 141 ] | ADC A,L | *ADC A,IXl | RES 1,L | *NOP | *LD L,RES 1,(IX+d) | |[ 8e | 142 ] | ADC A,(HL) | ADC A,(IX+d) | RES 1,(HL) | *NOP | RES 1,(IX+d) | |[ 8f | 143 ] | ADC A,A | +ADC A,A | RES 1,A | *NOP | *LD A,RES 1,(IX+d) | |[ 90 | 144 ] | SUB B | +SUB B | RES 2,B | *NOP | *LD B,RES 2,(IX+d) | |[ 91 | 145 ] | SUB C | +SUB C | RES 2,C | *NOP | *LD C,RES 2,(IX+d) | |[ 92 | 146 ] | SUB D | +SUB D | RES 2,D | *NOP | *LD D,RES 2,(IX+d) | |[ 93 | 147 ] | SUB E | +SUB E | RES 2,E | *NOP | *LD E,RES 2,(IX+d) | |[ 94 | 148 ] | SUB H | *SUB IXh | RES 2,H | *NOP | *LD H,RES 2,(IX+d) | |[ 95 | 149 ] | SUB L | *SUB IXl | RES 2,L | *NOP | *LD L,RES 2,(IX+d) | |[ 96 | 150 ] | SUB (HL) | SUB (IX+d) | RES 2,(HL) | *NOP | RES 2,(IX+d) | |[ 97 | 151 ] | SUB A | +SUB A | RES 2,A | *NOP | *LD A,RES 2,(IX+d) | |[ 98 | 152 ] | SBC A,B | +SBC A,B | RES 3,B | *NOP | *LD B,RES 3,(IX+d) | |[ 99 | 153 ] | SBC A,C | +SBC A,C | RES 3,C | *NOP | *LD C,RES 3,(IX+d) | |[ 9a | 154 ] | SBC A,D | +SBC A,D | RES 3,D | *NOP | *LD D,RES 3,(IX+d) | |[ 9b | 155 ] | SBC A,E | +SBC A,E | RES 3,E | *NOP | *LD E,RES 3,(IX+d) | |[ 9c | 156 ] | SBC A,H | *SBC A,IXh | RES 3,H | *NOP | *LD H,RES 3,(IX+d) | |[ 9d | 157 ] | SBC A,L | *SBC A,IXl | RES 3,L | *NOP | *LD L,RES 3,(IX+d) | |[ 9e | 158 ] | SBC A,(HL) | SBC A,(IX+d) | RES 3,(HL) | *NOP | RES 3,(IX+d) | |[ 9f | 159 ] | SBC A,A | +SBC A,A | RES 3,A | *NOP | *LD A,RES 3,(IX+d) | |[ a0 | 160 ] | AND B | +AND B | RES 4,B | LDI | *LD B,RES 4,(IX+d) | |[ a1 | 161 ] | AND C | +AND C | RES 4,C | CPI | *LD C,RES 4,(IX+d) | |[ a2 | 162 ] | AND D | +AND D | RES 4,D | INI | *LD D,RES 4,(IX+d) | |[ a3 | 163 ] | AND E | +AND E | RES 4,E | OUTI | *LD E,RES 4,(IX+d) | |[ a4 | 164 ] | AND H | *AND IXh | RES 4,H | *NOP | *LD H,RES 4,(IX+d) | |[ a5 | 165 ] | AND L | *AND IXl | RES 4,L | *NOP | *LD L,RES 4,(IX+d) | |[ a6 | 166 ] | AND (HL) | AND (IX+d) | RES 4,(HL) | *NOP | RES 4,(IX+d) | |[ a7 | 167 ] | AND A | +AND A | RES 4,A | *NOP | *LD A,RES 4,(IX+d) | |[ a8 | 168 ] | XOR B | +XOR B | RES 5,B | LDD | *LD B,RES 5,(IX+d) | |[ a9 | 169 ] | XOR C | +XOR C | RES 5,C | CPD | *LD C,RES 5,(IX+d) | |[ aa | 170 ] | XOR D | +XOR D | RES 5,D | IND | *LD D,RES 5,(IX+d) | |[ ab | 171 ] | XOR E | +XOR E | RES 5,E | OUTD | *LD E,RES 5,(IX+d) | |[ ac | 172 ] | XOR H | *XOR IXh | RES 5,H | *NOP | *LD H,RES 5,(IX+d) | |[ ad | 173 ] | XOR L | *XOR IXl | RES 5,L | *NOP | *LD L,RES 5,(IX+d) | |[ ae | 174 ] | XOR (HL) | XOR (IX+d) | RES 5,(HL) | *NOP | RES 5,(IX+d) | |[ af | 175 ] | XOR A | +XOR A | RES 5,A | *NOP | *LD A,RES 5,(IX+d) | |[ b0 | 176 ] | OR B | +OR B | RES 6,B | LDIR | *LD B,RES 6,(IX+d) | |[ b1 | 177 ] | OR C | +OR C | RES 6,C | CPIR | *LD C,RES 6,(IX+d) | |[ b2 | 178 ] | OR D | +OR D | RES 6,D | INIR | *LD D,RES 6,(IX+d) | |[ b3 | 179 ] | OR E | +OR E | RES 6,E | OTIR | *LD E,RES 6,(IX+d) | |[ b4 | 180 ] | OR H | *OR IXh | RES 6,H | *NOP | *LD H,RES 6,(IX+d) | |[ b5 | 181 ] | OR L | *OR IXl | RES 6,L | *NOP | *LD L,RES 6,(IX+d) | |[ b6 | 182 ] | OR (HL) | OR (IX+d) | RES 6,(HL) | *NOP | RES 6,(IX+d) | |[ b7 | 183 ] | OR A | +OR A | RES 6,A | *NOP | *LD A,RES 6,(IX+d) | |[ b8 | 184 ] | CP B | +CP B | RES 7,B | LDDR | *LD B,RES 7,(IX+d) | |[ b9 | 185 ] | CP C | +CP C | RES 7,C | CPDR | *LD C,RES 7,(IX+d) | |[ ba | 186 ] | CP D | +CP D | RES 7,D | INDR | *LD D,RES 7,(IX+d) | |[ bb | 187 ] | CP E | +CP E | RES 7,E | OTDR | *LD E,RES 7,(IX+d) | |[ bc | 188 ] | CP H | *CP IXh | RES 7,H | *NOP | *LD H,RES 7,(IX+d) | |[ bd | 189 ] | CP L | *CP IXl | RES 7,L | *NOP | *LD L,RES 7,(IX+d) | |[ be | 190 ] | CP (HL) | CP (IX+d) | RES 7,(HL) | *NOP | RES 7,(IX+d) | |[ bf | 191 ] | CP A | +CP A | RES 7,A | *NOP | *LD A,RES 7,(IX+d) | |[ c0 | 192 ] | RET NZ | +RET NZ | SET 0,B | *NOP | *LD B,SET 0,(IX+d) | |[ c1 | 193 ] | POP BC | +POP BC | SET 0,C | *NOP | *LD C,SET 0,(IX+d) | |[ c2 | 194 ] | JP NZ,nn | +JP NZ,nn | SET 0,D | *NOP | *LD D,SET 0,(IX+d) | |[ c3 | 195 ] | JP nn | +JP nn | SET 0,E | *NOP | *LD E,SET 0,(IX+d) | |[ c4 | 196 ] | CALL NZ,nn | +CALL NZ,nn | SET 0,H | *NOP | *LD H,SET 0,(IX+d) | |[ c5 | 197 ] | PUSH BC | +PUSH BC | SET 0,L | *NOP | *LD L,SET 0,(IX+d) | |[ c6 | 198 ] | ADD A,n | +ADD A,n | SET 0,(HL) | *NOP | SET 0,(IX+d) | |[ c7 | 199 ] | RST 0 | +RST 0 | SET 0,A | *NOP | *LD A,SET 0,(IX+d) | |[ c8 | 100 ] | RET Z | +RET Z | SET 1,B | *NOP | *LD B,SET 1,(IX+d) | |[ c9 | 201 ] | RET | +RET | SET 1,C | *NOP | *LD C,SET 1,(IX+d) | |[ ca | 202 ] | JP Z,nn | +JP Z,nn | SET 1,D | *NOP | *LD D,SET 1,(IX+d) | |[ cb | 203 ] | [Prefix] | *[See DDCB info]| SET 1,E | *NOP | *LD E,SET 1,(IX+d) | |[ cc | 204 ] | CALL Z,nn | +CALL Z,nn | SET 1,H | *NOP | *LD H,SET 1,(IX+d) | |[ cd | 205 ] | CALL nn | +CALL nn | SET 1,L | *NOP | *LD L,SET 1,(IX+d) | |[ ce | 206 ] | ADC A,n | +ADC A,n | SET 1,(HL) | *NOP | SET 1,(IX+d) | |[ cf | 207 ] | RST 8 | +RST 8 | SET 1,A | *NOP | *LD A,SET 1,(IX+d) | |[ d0 | 208 ] | RET NC | +RET NC | SET 2,B | *NOP | *LD B,SET 2,(IX+d) | |[ d1 | 209 ] | POP DE | +POP DE | SET 2,C | *NOP | *LD C,SET 2,(IX+d) | |[ d2 | 210 ] | JP NC,nn | +JP NC,nn | SET 2,D | *NOP | *LD D,SET 2,(IX+d) | |[ d3 | 211 ] | OUT (n),A | +OUT (n),A | SET 2,E | *NOP | *LD E,SET 2,(IX+d) | |[ d4 | 212 ] | CALL NC,nn | +CALL NC,nn | SET 2,H | *NOP | *LD H,SET 2,(IX+d) | |[ d5 | 213 ] | PUSH DE | +PUSH DE | SET 2,L | *NOP | *LD L,SET 2,(IX+d) | |[ d6 | 214 ] | SUB n | +SUB n | SET 2,(HL) | *NOP | SET 2,(IX+d) | |[ d7 | 215 ] | RST 10H | +RST 10H | SET 2,A | *NOP | *LD A,SET 2,(IX+d) | |[ d8 | 216 ] | RET C | +RET C | SET 3,B | *NOP | *LD B,SET 3,(IX+d) | |[ d9 | 217 ] | EXX | +EXX | SET 3,C | *NOP | *LD C,SET 3,(IX+d) | |[ da | 218 ] | JP C,nn | +JP C,nn | SET 3,D | *NOP | *LD D,SET 3,(IX+d) | |[ db | 219 ] | IN A,(n) | +IN A,(n) | SET 3,E | *NOP | *LD E,SET 3,(IX+d) | |[ dc | 220 ] | CALL C,nn | +CALL C,nn | SET 3,H | *NOP | *LD H,SET 3,(IX+d) | |[ dd | 221 ] | [IX Prefix] | +[IX Prefix] | SET 3,L | *NOP | *LD L,SET 3,(IX+d) | |[ de | 222 ] | SBC A,n | +SBC A,n | SET 3,(HL) | *NOP | SET 3,(IX+d) | |[ df | 223 ] | RST 18H | +RST 18H | SET 3,A | *NOP | *LD A,SET 3,(IX+d) | |[ e0 | 224 ] | RET PO | +RET PO | SET 4,B | *NOP | *LD B,SET 4,(IX+d) | |[ e1 | 225 ] | POP HL | POP IX | SET 4,C | *NOP | *LD C,SET 4,(IX+d) | |[ e2 | 226 ] | JP PO,nn | +JP PO,nn | SET 4,D | *NOP | *LD D,SET 4,(IX+d) | |[ e3 | 227 ] | EX (SP),HL | EX (SP),IX | SET 4,E | *NOP | *LD E,SET 4,(IX+d) | |[ e4 | 228 ] | CALL PO,nn | +CALL PO,nn | SET 4,H | *NOP | *LD H,SET 4,(IX+d) | |[ e5 | 229 ] | PUSH HL | PUSH IX | SET 4,L | *NOP | *LD L,SET 4,(IX+d) | |[ e6 | 230 ] | AND n | +AND n | SET 4,(HL) | *NOP | SET 4,(IX+d) | |[ e7 | 231 ] | RST 20H | +RST 20H | SET 4,A | *NOP | *LD A,SET 4,(IX+d) | |[ e8 | 232 ] | RET PE | +RET PE | SET 5,B | *NOP | *LD B,SET 5,(IX+d) | |[ e9 | 233 ] | JP (HL) | JP (IX) | SET 5,C | *NOP | *LD C,SET 5,(IX+d) | |[ ea | 234 ] | JP PE,nn | +JP PE,nn | SET 5,D | *NOP | *LD D,SET 5,(IX+d) | |[ eb | 235 ] | EX DE,HL | +EX DE,HL | SET 5,E | *NOP | *LD E,SET 5,(IX+d) | |[ ec | 236 ] | CALL PE,nn | +CALL PE,nn | SET 5,H | *NOP | *LD H,SET 5,(IX+d) | |[ ed | 237 ] | [Prefix] | +[Prefix] | SET 5,L | *NOP | *LD L,SET 5,(IX+d) | |[ ee | 238 ] | XOR n | +XOR n | SET 5,(HL) | *NOP | SET 5,(IX+d) | |[ ef | 239 ] | RST 28H | +RST 28H | SET 5,A | *NOP | *LD A,SET 5,(IX+d) | |[ f0 | 240 ] | RET P | +RET P | SET 6,B | *NOP | *LD B,SET 6,(IX+d) | |[ f1 | 241 ] | POP AF | +POP AF | SET 6,C | *NOP | *LD C,SET 6,(IX+d) | |[ f2 | 242 ] | JP P,nn | +JP P,nn | SET 6,D | *NOP | *LD D,SET 6,(IX+d) | |[ f3 | 243 ] | DI | +DI | SET 6,E | *NOP | *LD E,SET 6,(IX+d) | |[ f4 | 244 ] | CALL P,nn | +CALL P,nn | SET 6,H | *NOP | *LD H,SET 6,(IX+d) | |[ f5 | 245 ] | PUSH AF | +PUSH AF | SET 6,L | *NOP | *LD L,SET 6,(IX+d) | |[ f6 | 246 ] | OR n | +OR n | SET 6,(HL) | *NOP | SET 6,(IX+d) | |[ f7 | 247 ] | RST 30H | +RST 30H | SET 6,A | *NOP | *LD A,SET 6,(IX+d) | |[ f8 | 248 ] | RET M | +RET M | SET 7,B | *NOP | *LD B,SET 7,(IX+d) | |[ f9 | 249 From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed May 1 17:50:54 1996 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: Edinburgh Uni (CS and MATHS) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 17:45:03 +0000 Subject: z80 undocs (the rest) Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Message-Id: <5ED60434EEA@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1013 Lines: 13 |[ f9 | 249 ] | LD SP,HL | LD SP,IX | SET 7,C | *NOP | *LD C,SET 7,(IX+d) | |[ fa | 250 ] | JP M,nn | +JP M,nn | SET 7,D | *NOP | *LD D,SET 7,(IX+d) | |[ fb | 251 ] | EI | +EI | SET 7,E | *NOP | *LD E,SET 7,(IX+d) | |[ fc | 252 ] | CALL M,nn | +CALL M,nn | SET 7,H | *NOP | *LD H,SET 7,(IX+d) | |[ fd | 253 ] | [IY Prefix] | +[IY Prefix] | SET 7,L | *NOP | *LD L,SET 7,(IX+d) | |[ fe | 254 ] | CP n | +CP n | SET 7,(HL) | *NOP | SET 7,(IX+d) | |[ ff | 255 ] | RST 38H | +RST 38H | SET 7,A | *NOP | *LD A,SET 7,(IX+d) | +-------------+-----------------+-------------------+------------------+------------------+-------------------------+ god only knows why they didn't all fit on the first mail... davee From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed May 1 18:08:53 1996 Message-Id: From: geoffw@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Geoff Winkless) Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 18:07:26 +0100 In-Reply-To: ee31ag -- "Re: Spectrum compatability chip..." (May 1, 4:39pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Spectrum compatability chip... Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 574 Lines: 16 On May 1, 4:39pm in "Re: Spectrum compatability chip...", warbled: ] Hmm. I'd have thought he was thinking of the ROM, but I did ] hear stories that early sams had gold asics - these being ] test versions sent by the manufacturer. Can't see why they'd ] need replacing though. Naaah, the gold asics were the limited edition things Bruce gave out to the people he considered had written smart things. Si has one, but only cos he cheated and bought it (after all, all the stuff he's written is crap ;-) ;-) And no, I didn't get one for KeDisk. Wonder why :) -- Geoff From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu May 2 07:07:24 1996 Date: Thu, 02 May 1996 06:40:33 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <14857@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Not quite SAM but... X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 636 Lines: 19 Hi there, as you all have delved into the DOS quite a bit, I thought you might also know something about GDOS on the Disciple. Gerton is having a problem with Z80 Disciple emulation. It seems that there must be 2 different routines that check the disc usage. What happens is that under some conditions, any save to a disc with data already on it will ignore the sector map and dump the file at the start of the disc, BUT it will get the directory entry in the right place! So the question is, what governs the reading of the disc map into RAM I guess. Dorry to be off topic, but its driving us mad! Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu May 2 09:14:01 1996 Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 09:12:11 +0100 From: D.J.Gray-ELAI@cs.bham.ac.uk Message-Id: <10390.199605020812@mb11.cs.bham.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: KE-Disk In-Reply-To: <14837@bgserv.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 228 Lines: 7 Does anybody know why KE-Disk will not work when the Quazar suound card is connected to the SAM? ( When you select file transfer it says put in a disk - or something like that - and press a key - then it just stops - dead ). From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu May 2 11:13:43 1996 Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 11:12:26 +0100 From: Colin G Piggot Message-Id: <199605021012.LAA03883@pas1.st-andrews.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: KE-Disk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 781 Lines: 15 I've looked at the code for KE_DISK (and asked Geoff ages ago) there's nothing in the code, or the Quazar Surround to halt the program. I have got a small program that fixes the problem about 90% of the time. (It just misses out part of the Basic program of KE disk and it appears to work.) Colin Piggot __________________ __ ____ ___ ______________________ |Colin G Piggot | /| | | | | / | | |\ |(C) Colin G. Piggot | |cgp@st-and.ac.uk | / | | | |__| / |___| | \ |----------------------| | | / | | | | | / | | |__\ |*16* BIT SOUND STRIKES| |Presents The ... | / \ | |__| | | /___ | | | \ |THE SAM - HEARING IS | |_________________| /___\|=======SURROUND=======| \ |____________BELIEVING_| From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu May 2 15:05:12 1996 Date: 02 May 96 09:55:01 EDT From: Christopher White <100606.175@compuserve.com> To: HELLO Subject: Re: Golden Asic chip.../Worms Message-Id: <960502135500_100606.175_BHL152-1@CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 215 Lines: 12 I have One Bruce Gordon Has One Alan Miles Has One About twenty Went to MGT Staff Dr Andy Wright has One Colin Macdonald Has one Any one else must have bought there's Has know body want to covert worms then???? From imc Thu May 2 15:48:06 1996 Subject: Re: Golden Asic chip.../Worms To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 15:48:06 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <960502135500_100606.175_BHL152-1@CompuServe.COM> from "Christopher White" at May 2, 96 09:55:01 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 243 Lines: 10 On 02 May 96 09:55:01 EDT, Christopher White said: > Has know body want to covert worms then???? Too much like hard work... But I'm sure the author of Lemmings could do a creditable job. :-) imc PS why did that come from bin@nvg.unit.no? From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu May 2 16:20:13 1996 Subject: PC Disaster To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 16:14:44 +0100 (MET DST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <96May2.171517+0100met_dst.62589-100+19@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 521 Lines: 17 Hi everyone, I've just had my 486 die in a blaze of... well, not much really. As far as I can tell, the monitor has gone... but it might be that I've blown the VGA card (in which case I may as well go out and get a new video card right now, as the chip's socketed onto the bord). *sighs* These SAM thingies are much more reliable. 'sjust a pity that SAM C's so useless -- otherwise I'd be able to do my Physics Project (due in tomorrow) on that. I think the phrase which neatly fits in here is "bugger". Simon From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu May 2 16:34:45 1996 Message-Id: From: Marc Broster Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 16:33:03 +0100 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Z80 commands Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 248 Lines: 12 Re James Curry: > How many undocumented Z80 instructions are there? > Get a copy of TurboMON, not only is it one of the best peices of software I've used, It's also got a complete (even OUT (HL),0 etc) list of Z80 instructions. Marc Broster From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu May 2 17:53:27 1996 Message-Id: From: geoffw@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Geoff Winkless) Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 17:40:53 +0100 In-Reply-To: Simon.Cooke -- "PC Disaster" (May 2, 4:14pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: PC Disaster Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 953 Lines: 28 On May 2, 4:14pm in "PC Disaster", warbled: ] I've just had my 486 die in a blaze of... well, not much really. As far ] as I can tell, the monitor has gone... but it might be that I've blown ] the VGA card (in which case I may as well go out and get a new video card ] right now, as the chip's socketed onto the bord). Be careful -- it might well be that the monitor dying has blown the VGA card :) What sort of "blown"... is the monitor still emitting light in a vaguely rectangular-shaped manner? Or has it collapsed? Does the light come on on the front of the monitor? *g* Have you checked the cables? Have you got another monitor you can test the PC with, or another PC you can test the monitor with? If it's the card, well, they only cost about 15 quid for a cheapish one. If it's the monitor, I can do you an absolutely stunning deal on some really nice IBM 15" monitors ;-) ;-) (got one meself at work, and it's lovely :) -- Geoff From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu May 2 18:15:30 1996 Posted-Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 19:12:54 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <3187AF4C.7690@pi.net> Date: Wed, 01 May 1996 17:37:00 -0100 From: Stefan Drissen Organization: SOLcorp X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: SAM-users down & version 2.05 References: <14837@bgserv.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1449 Lines: 42 Brian Gaff Sam Dept. wrote: > > Is anyone out there? > > > > All my messages from the sam mailing list stopped on the 25 of April... > > > You know what will happen now...... > > I will keep my head down. > Brian This has been a real problem! I posted something up to sam-users and it never came back! Thursday was the last day I received any messages, today was the first. After having read about Frode getting kicked off somehow I was somewhat paranoid that something similar had happened to me. Anyway, what I posted up was the version 2.05 of the SAM MOD player is now available from my web site. The small added "feature" being that you can turn off the screen if you want too. This due to Colin Anderton sulking about his TV hissing too much with the MOD player palette. > Life is always fatal.... > -- > Brian Gaff Sam Dept. -- Stefan Drissen _____ ___ _ ___ ______ ___ ____ / _// \| | /\ | \ | _/ | /\ | \ _/ aka \_ \| || |__ / \| / | _|| |__ / \| / _| of ENTROPY /____/\___/\____\____\_|_\ |_| \____\____\_|_\___\ / \ / Email: drissen@pi.net http://www.pi.net/~drissen \ / Zevende Herven 6,5232 JZ 's-HERTOGENBOSCH,The Netherlands \ / telephone: +31-73-6414969 \ --------------------------------------------------------------- From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu May 2 18:15:37 1996 Posted-Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 19:13:00 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <3187B08C.77DF@pi.net> Date: Wed, 01 May 1996 17:42:20 -0100 From: Stefan Drissen Organization: SOLcorp X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: HDOS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1473 Lines: 34 Hi all, I bought one of SD Softwares IDE interfaces at the last Gloucester show and am somewhat stricken due to the lack of technical info in the booklet. Sure, I can figure out how to access the harddrive directly by looking at the proggies on the dos disc, but I would like to know what the meaning is of all those OUTs and INs (port 247 is the only one used I believe). The fact that all the code is compiled C (compiled with a PC) does not make it easy reading. I'm sure that the initial surface scan can be sped up many many many times by doing a pure code version. Two pages for just the HDOS seems a bit greedy too. BTW Simon, how's EDOS coming along? Could I have a copy of the Masterdos source? Since I reckon that adding a hard drive MS-DOS type thing to that would be a lot quicker than waiting for a decent fully functional HDOS to arrive.... L8R Stefan Drissen _____ ___ _ ___ ______ ___ ____ / _// \| | /\ | \ | _/ | /\ | \ _/ aka \_ \| || |__ / \| / | _|| |__ / \| / _| of ENTROPY /____/\___/\____\____\_|_\ |_| \____\____\_|_\___\ / \ / Email: drissen@pi.net http://www.pi.net/~drissen \ / Zevende Herven 6,5232 JZ 's-HERTOGENBOSCH,The Netherlands \ / telephone: +31-73-6414969 \ --------------------------------------------------------------- From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu May 2 18:44:03 1996 From: CoLiN AnDeRtOn Organization: HSH, University of Nottingham To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 18:39:09 GMT0BST Subject: Re: SAM-users down & version 2.05 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <99E0E81338@hhn1.hughall.nottingham.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 980 Lines: 23 > This has been a real problem! I posted something up to sam-users and it > never came back! Thursday was the last day I received any messages, > today was the first. After having read about Frode getting kicked off > somehow I was somewhat paranoid that something similar had happened to > me. Well, you have to expect to get kicked off these things when you're just rude and arrogant. I'm nice to everyone, and a fine example to the younger age, so I won't ever get kicked off. > Anyway, what I posted up was the version 2.05 of the SAM MOD player is > now available from my web site. The small added "feature" being that > you can turn off the screen if you want too. This due to Colin Anderton > sulking about his TV hissing too much with the MOD player palette. I had to blackmail Stefan to put it in though. I told him if he didn't I'd tell all the SAM community about the little incident involving his SAM mouse and a part of the body. Bye. Colin A From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu May 2 19:47:13 1996 Date: 02 May 96 14:42:50 EDT From: Ian Dalziel <100717.2266@CompuServe.COM> To: SAM-USERS Subject: SamBus Message-Id: <960502184250_100717.2266_EHU112-1@CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 280 Lines: 10 Anyone tell me what the external power supply to the SamBus should be? I'm guessing 5 volt, but I don't want to guess the polarity and fry something... The IDE interface makes the SCART output go all feeble and fuzzy, so I thought a few extra electrons might help. Cheers Ian From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu May 2 20:01:35 1996 Subject: Re: PC Disaster To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 20:00:29 +0100 (MET DST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: from "Geoff Winkless" at May 2, 96 05:40:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <96May2.210044+0100met_dst.62598-101+24@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 753 Lines: 21 > Have you got another monitor you can test the PC with, or another > PC you can test the monitor with? > > If it's the card, well, they only cost about 15 quid for a cheapish one. > If it's the monitor, I can do you an absolutely stunning deal on some > really nice IBM 15" monitors ;-) ;-) (got one meself at work, and it's > lovely :) I've checked it... I've blown the card. The ROM and the processor seem to work (unless the PC can beep like that by itself - which I doubt), but the card is a gonna. T'thing is it's not just a card either; ET4000-W32 accelerator chip, soldered direct to the motherboard. Fortunately I can jumper it out, but that still leaves the rest of the motherboard which may or may not have been buggered. :( Simon From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu May 2 20:03:54 1996 Subject: Re: SamBus To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 20:02:40 +0100 (MET DST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <960502184250_100717.2266_EHU112-1@CompuServe.COM> from "Ian Dalziel" at May 2, 96 02:42:50 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <96May2.210256+0100met_dst.62595-97+27@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 575 Lines: 16 > > Anyone tell me what the external power supply to the SamBus should be? I'm > guessing 5 volt, but I don't want to guess the polarity and fry something... The > IDE interface makes the SCART output go all feeble and fuzzy, so I thought a few > extra electrons might help. Yep, it's 5V, but you might want to stick a diode on it before it goes into the SAM as well, to stop the juice getting loose, IYKWIM. (Yessiree, you can power the SAM off the SAMBUS. >slight< messsup) Not sure about the polarity, but you could always stick a multimeter across the socket. Si From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu May 2 22:44:16 1996 Posted-Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 23:43:31 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <318956AB.4FFB@pi.net> Date: Thu, 02 May 1996 23:43:23 -0100 From: Stefan Drissen Organization: SOLcorp X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Attention all SAA1099 users! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2688 Lines: 67 Hi all! Sure the subject line includes all of us. This somewhat exciting message is for ALL SAM MOD player users who are using SAM's soundchip to play their mods. Many PC MOD players featured amplify functions. Although having had this idea wandering around inside my head for quite a while now I thought I'd give it a go on the good ol' SAM. I have never been happy with the quality of the mods being played through the soundchip, after having tried amplifying everything with 50% the sound quality was incredible! A fully user-friendly variable amplification option will be included in the next release of the SAM MOD player. Since I haven't got the time right now, but would like you to listen in awe to the effect, do the following: LOAD up the "MODexample" and RUN it once. Stop the crappy mod playing by pressing escape. The burstplayer has now been installed (including the volume tables) so we can now go along and change the volume tables using the following slow basic program: 100 LET amp=1.5:REM amplification factor - experiment with this 110 FOR V=0 TO 15:REM 16 volume tables 120 FOR C=0 TO 1:REM 2 channels (left & right) 130 LET X=512*(1+V)+49152+C*256 140 FOR F=0 TO 127 150 LET Y=INT (8+F*V/15/16*amp) 160 IF Y>15 THEN LET Y=15 170 POKE X,Y*16^C 180 LET X=X+1 190 NEXT F 200 FOR F=127 TO 0 STEP -1 210 LET Y=INT (8-F*V/15/16*amp) 220 IF Y<0 THEN LET Y=0 230 LET X=X+1 240 NEXT F 250 NEXT C 260 NEXT V Now LOAD the mod you want to listen to at address 7*16384 and then CALL 32768. Feel the ground shake! What you are actually doing is stretching out the samples vertically. If you make the value for amplification too high then you will end up with distorty samples (I think). The best value for amplification depends on how loud the samples used in the mod are. I was totally blown away by the quality at 1.5 amplification. I hope someone enjoys this! I was so blown away by the improvement that I could not resist letting you all know.... and wasn't planning on letting you have to wait for the next release of the SAM MOD player. L8R Stefan Drissen _____ ___ _ ___ ______ ___ ____ / _// \| | /\ | \ | _/ | /\ | \ _/ aka \_ \| || |__ / \| / | _|| |__ / \| / _| of ENTROPY /____/\___/\____\____\_|_\ |_| \____\____\_|_\___\ / \ / Email: drissen@pi.net http://www.pi.net/~drissen \ / Zevende Herven 6,5232 JZ 's-HERTOGENBOSCH,The Netherlands \ / telephone: +31-73-6414969 \ --------------------------------------------------------------- From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri May 3 07:50:57 1996 Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 08:50:49 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9605030650.AA09328@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Golden Asic chip.../Worms X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 269 Lines: 18 > I have One > Bruce Gordon Has One > Alan Miles Has One > About twenty Went to MGT Staff > Dr Andy Wright has One > Colin Macdonald Has one > > Any one else must have bought there's Not me. > > Has know body want to covert worms then???? What is worms? -Frode From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri May 3 07:51:10 1996 Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 08:51:21 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9605030651.AA09331@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Golden Asic chip.../Worms X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 99 Lines: 6 > PS why did that come from bin@nvg.unit.no? That is a good question. I'll investigate. -Frode From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri May 3 08:18:20 1996 Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 09:18:52 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9605030718.AA09342@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SAM-users down & version 2.05 X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 901 Lines: 22 > This has been a real problem! I posted something up to sam-users and it > never came back! Thursday was the last day I received any messages, > today was the first. After having read about Frode getting kicked off > somehow I was somewhat paranoid that something similar had happened to > me. I'll look into that too. There might have been something fishy going on. NVG just recently had a major disc-crash and they are currently reconstructing parts of the disc. Somebody might have meddled in the wrong place. > > Anyway, what I posted up was the version 2.05 of the SAM MOD player is > now available from my web site. The small added "feature" being that > you can turn off the screen if you want too. This due to Colin Anderton > sulking about his TV hissing too much with the MOD player palette. How about a quick upload to ftp.nvg? When it's up and running again... -Frode From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri May 3 09:02:42 1996 Date: Fri, 03 May 1996 06:57:40 GMT From: "Brian Gaff Sam Dept." Message-Id: <14888@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Noticed machine address change X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 175 Lines: 8 I wonder if the delay in messages is due to the rejigging of nvg? I note that the machine sending the mail has a new name, bin or something! Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri May 3 09:08:42 1996 Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 10:08:45 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9605030808.AA09411@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Noticed machine address change X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 287 Lines: 10 > > I wonder if the delay in messages is due to the rejigging of > nvg? I note that the machine sending the mail has a new name, > bin or something! Could be. Arnt is currently doing _something_ with the mailer. And it's not the machine that has a new name, it's the sender. -Frode From imc Fri May 3 11:35:15 1996 Subject: Re: Golden Asic chip.../Worms To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 11:35:15 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <9605030650.AA09328@asmal.edh-net> from "Frode Tenneboe" at May 3, 96 08:50:49 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 473 Lines: 12 On Fri, 3 May 1996 08:50:49 +0200, Frode said: > What is worms? Worms is a game for the PC and Amiga (possibly others) which is vaguely similar in style to (and even more fun than) Lemmings, but instead of helping them to escape you help them to fight each other (it's best if several people play this, but I think you can play against computer- controlled teams). (I don't think the fact that they are worms is particularly relevant, in case you were wondering). imc From imc Fri May 3 11:36:54 1996 Subject: Re: Attention all SAA1099 users! To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 11:36:54 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <318956AB.4FFB@pi.net> from "Stefan Drissen" at May 2, 96 11:43:23 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 303 Lines: 9 On Thu, 02 May 1996 23:43:23 -0100, you said: > with the quality of the mods being played through the soundchip, after > having tried amplifying everything with 50% the sound quality was > incredible! Why do you think my .au player has a volume control which is 22 (out of 16) by default? :-) imc From imc Fri May 3 11:48:38 1996 Subject: Re: SamBus To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 11:48:38 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <960502184250_100717.2266_EHU112-1@CompuServe.COM> from "Ian Dalziel" at May 2, 96 02:42:50 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 285 Lines: 9 On 02 May 96 14:42:50 EDT, Ian Dalziel wrote: [an article] Sorry if this sounds a bit rude, but... I'm slightly surprised to find out that "Dalziel" isn't a name that the BBC invented. So, is it _really_ pronounced ",dee'el" or was that just an affectation? Yours curiously, imc. From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri May 3 11:55:43 1996 Subject: Re: HDOS To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 11:54:22 +0100 (MET DST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <3187B08C.77DF@pi.net> from "Stefan Drissen" at May 1, 96 05:42:20 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <96May3.125503+0100met_dst.62587-97+38@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1888 Lines: 42 > I bought one of SD Softwares IDE interfaces at the last Gloucester show > and am somewhat stricken due to the lack of technical info in the > booklet. Sure, I can figure out how to access the harddrive directly by > looking at the proggies on the dos disc, but I would like to know what > the meaning is of all those OUTs and INs (port 247 is the only one used > I believe). Ah... it's Ian Spencer's hard drive design (I think you can find scanned GIFs of it on NVG somewhere). Basically, what you do is you set port 247 to the port you want to read/write to/from and then do the write to another adjacent port or something... I'm not sure. I don't like this hard drive design anyway; it's just a kludgy one ripped off from Ian Spencer's design, which could have been much simplified. The only reason for the address-selection style addressing (like the Sound Chip) is because of the Spectrum's messy IO map anyway. THere was no need for it on the SAM, and the throughput suffers as a result. > The fact that all the code is compiled C (compiled with a PC) does not > make it easy reading. I'm sure that the initial surface scan can be > sped up many many many times by doing a pure code version. Two pages > for just the HDOS seems a bit greedy too. Definitely. > BTW Simon, how's EDOS coming along? Could I have a copy of the > Masterdos source? Since I reckon that adding a hard drive MS-DOS type > thing to that would be a lot quicker than waiting for a decent fully > functional HDOS to arrive.... EDOS is currently quite embryonic still, but I'm working on the file system whenever I have time (finals coming up :) ). BTW: Have you seen the 1st issue of Blitz magazine? Steve Pick printed a load of our emails to him - including the one you sent him which included the password for the new version of the Mod Player. *shakes his head* Simon From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri May 3 12:10:36 1996 Message-Id: From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale) Subject: Re: SamBus To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 12:09:17 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <9605031048.AA12909@boothp2.ecs.ox.ac.uk> from "Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk" at May 3, 96 11:48:38 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 343 Lines: 10 > Sorry if this sounds a bit rude, but... I'm slightly surprised to find > out that "Dalziel" isn't a name that the BBC invented. So, is it _really_ > pronounced ",dee'el" or was that just an affectation? > I had a bloke send me an cassette-recorded letter when I was doing a fanzine for the C64. Anyway, he called himself "dal-yell" -AG From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri May 3 12:44:57 1996 Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 13:45:14 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9605031145.AA09540@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Golden Asic chip.../Worms X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 486 Lines: 13 > > What is worms? > > Worms is a game for the PC and Amiga (possibly others) which is vaguely > similar in style to (and even more fun than) Lemmings, but instead of > helping them to escape you help them to fight each other (it's best if > several people play this, but I think you can play against computer- > controlled teams). (I don't think the fact that they are worms is > particularly relevant, in case you were wondering). Sounds also vaguely similar to Lamers. -Frode From imc Fri May 3 12:46:44 1996 Subject: Re: Golden Asic chip.../Worms To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 12:46:44 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <9605031145.AA09540@asmal.edh-net> from "Frode Tenneboe" at May 3, 96 01:45:14 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 114 Lines: 6 On Fri, 3 May 1996 13:45:14 +0200, you said: > Sounds also vaguely similar to Lamers. Never heard of it... imc From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri May 3 12:52:28 1996 Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 13:52:08 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9605031152.AA09543@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Golden Asic chip.../Worms X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 246 Lines: 12 > Status: RO > > On Fri, 3 May 1996 13:45:14 +0200, you said: > > Sounds also vaguely similar to Lamers. > > Never heard of it... > It's a PC game where you have to kill as many of the 'Lamers' as possible a'la Lemmings in reverse. -Frode From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri May 3 13:11:51 1996 Message-Id: <318A06AA.846@planetconnect.co.uk> Date: Fri, 03 May 1996 13:14:18 +0000 From: Allan Organization: Crashed Magazine X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: PC Disaster References: <96May2.171517+0100met_dst.62589-100+19@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 477 Lines: 16 > These SAM thingies are much more reliable. 'sjust a pity that SAM C's so > useless -- otherwise I'd be able to do my Physics Project (due in > tomorrow) on that. Yeah. I like SAM C - think it's okay, but what's SAM Vision all about? Everyone keeps on telling me that it's more libraries, but as far as I see, it just makes everything crash. And why's there a copy of C on the disk? And why's it Small C for SAM Vision? These foreign people confuse me. Help. Allan. From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri May 3 13:22:08 1996 Message-Id: <318A090E.45B8@planetconnect.co.uk> Date: Fri, 03 May 1996 13:24:30 +0000 From: Allan Organization: Crashed Magazine X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Poor old Curry References: <96May2.171517+0100met_dst.62589-100+19@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> <318A06AA.846@planetconnect.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 144 Lines: 6 James Curry is ill (aaaawwwwwww!). That's why he's been so quiet recently. German measles, he tells me. He may be back next week... Allan. From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri May 3 14:13:49 1996 From: sh5655@bristol.ac.uk (SL. Harding) Message-Id: <199605031308.OAA18619@irix.bris.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Master d(worms) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 14:08:35 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <9605011241.AA09011@boothp2.ecs.ox.ac.uk> from "Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk" at May 1, 96 01:41:18 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 616 Lines: 18 If any one wants to find out about worms why not take a look at the new worms newsgroup (alt.games.worms) or one of the many worm based web pages (e.g.http://www.worldserver.pipex.com/team17/T17/worms/index.html)? Apparently there is an Amiga version of worms too. If a conversion is to be done I think we realy do need the parralax in the background, otherwise we will be look down on by owners of other versions. (If we ever needed the accelerator we would with this project). We need more great SAM games NOW if we are to survive (and take over the universe)! (how is that for a rallying cry?) Num. From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri May 3 14:24:12 1996 Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 14:22:41 +0100 (BST) From: Tim Wells To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Master d(worms) In-Reply-To: <199605031308.OAA18619@irix.bris.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 565 Lines: 14 > If a conversion is to be done I think we realy do need the parralax in the > background, otherwise we will be look down on by owners of other versions. > (If we ever needed the accelerator we would with this project). Until this topic came up for discussion, I hadn't even realised there was anything fancy in the background. (Despite having been playing Worms for weeks on friends' PCs). Wouldn't have thought that there'd be that much problem with speed in the rest of the game - there are far fewer moving objects to cope with than in Lemmings. Tim W. From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri May 3 14:27:15 1996 From: tsp93ma@soton.ac.uk Message-Id: <199605031320.NAA16585@b25c-09.sucs.soton.ac.uk> Subject: SamWorms To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 14:20:01 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Tim Wells" at May 3, 96 02:22:41 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 619 Lines: 19 To quote Tim Wells: @/ > If a conversion is to be done I think we realy do need the parralax in the @/ > background, otherwise we will be look down on by owners of other versions. @/ > (If we ever needed the accelerator we would with this project). @/ @/ Wouldn't have thought that there'd be that much problem with speed in @/ the rest of the game - there are far fewer moving objects to cope with @/ than in Lemmings. Let's face it, there is a GameBoy Version........ ....@/ -- Tim Paveley - Maths with Computer Science - University of Southampton Sam Coupe Web Pages: http://www.soton.ac.uk/~tsp93ma/Coupe/ From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri May 3 14:44:51 1996 Subject: Re: Master d(worms) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 14:43:28 +0100 (MET DST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <199605031308.OAA18619@irix.bris.ac.uk> from "SL. Harding" at May 3, 96 02:08:35 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <96May3.154407+0100met_dst.62587-101+42@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1639 Lines: 38 > If any one wants to find out about worms why not take a look at the new > worms newsgroup (alt.games.worms) or one of the many worm based web pages > (e.g.http://www.worldserver.pipex.com/team17/T17/worms/index.html)? > Apparently there is an Amiga version of worms too. Yep - it's the most advanced version, as it's been developed over the last 4 years. > If a conversion is to be done I think we realy do need the parralax in the > background, otherwise we will be look down on by owners of other versions. > (If we ever needed the accelerator we would with this project). Naaah... sod the parallax background - it's not necessary really. It'd be okay if it was lemmings-esque. The only tricky stuff could be the fact that it'd slow down *sooooo* much on the angled terrain calculations. Then again, depends on how many worms you have playing at any time. 8'd be very passable. In fact, the only tricky stuff is the moving landscape - so in a way it'd be much easier than lemmings. 'speshially if you did all the motion calculations for *everything* before you actually displayed it... fraction of a second delay before things get set off would be passable, I reckon :) > We need more great SAM games NOW if we are to survive (and take over the > universe)! Tee-hee ;) > (how is that for a rallying cry?) > Num. Well, the accelerator is a good way off - the EMC laws have scuppered us for one, and Martin's moving while I have my finals. So it'll be summer at least before we can start doing stuff like building the Z80-cycle state machine we think we might need to get it working in sync with the ASIC Si From imc Fri May 3 14:50:49 1996 Subject: Re: Master d(worms) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 14:50:49 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <96May3.154407+0100met_dst.62587-101+42@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> from "Simon Cooke" at May 3, 96 02:43:28 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 748 Lines: 19 On Fri, 3 May 1996 14:43:28 +0100 (MET DST), you said: > Then again, depends on how many worms you have playing at any time. 8'd > be very passable. 8 is far too few for a decent game. :-) > 'speshially if you did > all the motion calculations for *everything* before you actually > displayed it... fraction of a second delay before things get set off > would be passable, I reckon :) No good! For example, after you have dropped some dynamite you have to run away fast, so you'd be running and then suddenly stop for half a second before the dynamite exploded. imc PS I have played precisely one game (it took about 8 rounds before someone won though) and it was on the Amiga version. From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri May 3 15:05:20 1996 Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 15:06:52 +0100 (BST) From: Daniel James Doore X-Sender: iq4d4385@jaffle-fddi To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Master d(worms) In-Reply-To: <9605031350.AA07389@booth52.ecs.ox.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 601 Lines: 16 > PS I have played precisely one game (it took about 8 rounds before someone > won though) and it was on the Amiga version. I've only played the demo on the PSX, but that was pretty great, especially the Dragon Punch but I doubt that any Sam version could use the samples - or could it? Dan. +========================================================================+ | Dan Doore - Ex-Head Pod and Dogsbody | D.J.Doore-iq4d4385@lmu.ac.uk | | WARNING!! Only read every so often, so you might have to wait a bit. | +========================================================================+ From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri May 3 15:58:50 1996 Date: 03 May 96 10:50:09 EDT From: Christopher White <100606.175@compuserve.com> To: HELLO Subject: Re: Master CID(worms) Message-Id: <960503145009_100606.175_BHL77-1@CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 490 Lines: 18 Okay First Of The Parralax will have to go, But Keep the floating Energy Bar. All lemmings Collision will work with Worms Style Game. Minor additions to lemming control. Masive computer control routines (TRY PLAYING WITH MAXIMUN CPU ON PC) Weapon control/collison piece of cake. Speed ---------- With no Lemmings on screen the Sam Version will run in 25/50 fps. So with the maximum of four teams each with four worms = 16 WORMS ON SCREEN GAME WILL RUN ON 25 fps no probs Bye Bye From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri May 3 17:21:50 1996 Posted-Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 18:20:10 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <31895995.1A32@pi.net> Date: Thu, 02 May 1996 23:55:49 -0100 From: Stefan Drissen Organization: SOLcorp X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SamBus References: <960502184250_100717.2266_EHU112-1@CompuServe.COM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1034 Lines: 28 Ian Dalziel wrote: > > Anyone tell me what the external power supply to the SamBus should be? I'm > guessing 5 volt, but I don't want to guess the polarity and fry something... The > IDE interface makes the SCART output go all feeble and fuzzy, so I thought a few > extra electrons might help. > > Cheers > > Ian Somewhat related to that problem, is the little thing on the TWO-UP also a power connector? If so what are its specs? -- Stefan Drissen _____ ___ _ ___ ______ ___ ____ / _// \| | /\ | \ | _/ | /\ | \ _/ aka \_ \| || |__ / \| / | _|| |__ / \| / _| of ENTROPY /____/\___/\____\____\_|_\ |_| \____\____\_|_\___\ / \ / Email: drissen@pi.net http://www.pi.net/~drissen \ / Zevende Herven 6,5232 JZ 's-HERTOGENBOSCH,The Netherlands \ / telephone: +31-73-6414969 \ --------------------------------------------------------------- From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri May 3 17:58:57 1996 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Master d(worms) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 03 May 1996 15:06:52 BST." Date: Fri, 03 May 1996 17:57:23 +0100 Message-Id: <1539.831142643@cs.ucl.ac.uk> From: Matt Williams Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 835 Lines: 21 >> PS I have played precisely one game (it took about 8 rounds before someone >> won though) and it was on the Amiga version. > >I've only played the demo on the PSX, but that was pretty great, >especially the Dragon Punch but I doubt that any Sam version could use >the samples - or could it? > As far as sound goesI don't think there'll be much in the way of problems (Except the CD audio on the PC version - anyone want to build a CD-ROM interface? :-) ) Note: I am NOT volunteering to do the sound. :-) ------------------------------------------------------------------ * |\ /| | \ / * Matt Williams, 49 Grafton Way, * * | \/ | | \ /\ / * London, W1P 5LH * * | | \_/ \/ \/ * Insanity is a virtue... * http://www-dept.cs.ucl.ac.uk/students/M.Williams/ From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri May 3 19:57:45 1996 Posted-Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 20:56:45 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <318A5EE4.56BB@pi.net> Date: Fri, 03 May 1996 18:30:44 -0100 From: Stefan Drissen Organization: SOLcorp X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: HDOS References: <96May3.125503+0100met_dst.62587-97+38@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2746 Lines: 66 Simon Cooke wrote: > Ah... it's Ian Spencer's hard drive design (I think you can find scanned > GIFs of it on NVG somewhere). Basically, what you do is you set port 247 > to the port you want to read/write to/from and then do the write to > another adjacent port or something... I stuffed up a bit there. It's actually port 189 which selects the "register" to use, and port 191 which is used for data. The useful select "registers" seem to be in the range 240-247 (selecting head, track, sector etc...) What I'm after is some kind of techy document (like the appendix in the techy manual on the floppy disc controller) so that I know what I'm doing and am able to do. > I'm not sure. I don't like this hard drive design anyway; it's just a > kludgy one ripped off from Ian Spencer's design, which could have been > much simplified. The only reason for the address-selection style > addressing (like the Sound Chip) is because of the Spectrum's messy IO > map anyway. THere was no need for it on the SAM, and the throughput > suffers as a result. I haven't actually used it yet since I'm still waiting for a hard drive, is the throughput that bad though? > > The fact that all the code is compiled C (compiled with a PC) does not > > make it easy reading. I'm sure that the initial surface scan can be > > sped up many many many times by doing a pure code version. Two pages > > for just the HDOS seems a bit greedy too. > > Definitely. It's a bugger when decompiled into COMET too! All these wasteful routines splodged all over the place. > EDOS is currently quite embryonic still, but I'm working on the file > system whenever I have time (finals coming up :) ). Aha! I am experiencing the same problem! > BTW: Have you seen the 1st issue of Blitz magazine? Steve Pick printed a > load of our emails to him - including the one you sent him which included > the password for the new version of the Mod Player. > > *shakes his head* I must admit that my heart skipped a beat too! However, he had altered the password a little bit. Also, since version 2.05 is up there now, it's got a new password anyway. > Simon -- Stefan Drissen _____ ___ _ ___ ______ ___ ____ / _// \| | /\ | \ | _/ | /\ | \ _/ aka \_ \| || |__ / \| / | _|| |__ / \| / _| of ENTROPY /____/\___/\____\____\_|_\ |_| \____\____\_|_\___\ / \ / Email: drissen@pi.net http://www.pi.net/~drissen \ / Zevende Herven 6,5232 JZ 's-HERTOGENBOSCH,The Netherlands \ / telephone: +31-73-6414969 \ --------------------------------------------------------------- From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri May 3 19:58:14 1996 Posted-Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 20:57:10 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <318A7F5E.1308@pi.net> Date: Fri, 03 May 1996 20:49:18 -0100 From: Stefan Drissen Organization: SOLcorp X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Attention all SAA1099 users! References: <9605031036.AA12857@boothp2.ecs.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1150 Lines: 30 Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk wrote: > Why do you think my .au player has a volume control which is 22 (out of 16) > by default? :-) Aha! And I thought that it was just you twiddling around using two channels to create one five bit sample... BTW I forgot to mention that you would need to select the soundchip as output device first before doing the amplification thing. To do this make sure that you do a POKE 32803,1 before doing the first CALL. You could also simply reassemble the example.s file with the soundchip selected as output. -- Stefan Drissen _____ ___ _ ___ ______ ___ ____ / _// \| | /\ | \ | _/ | /\ | \ _/ aka \_ \| || |__ / \| / | _|| |__ / \| / _| of ENTROPY /____/\___/\____\____\_|_\ |_| \____\____\_|_\___\ / \ / Email: drissen@pi.net http://www.pi.net/~drissen \ / Zevende Herven 6,5232 JZ 's-HERTOGENBOSCH,The Netherlands \ / telephone: +31-73-6414969 \ --------------------------------------------------------------- From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri May 3 22:38:01 1996 Date: 03 May 96 17:35:09 EDT From: Ian Dalziel <100717.2266@compuserve.com> To: SAM-USERS Subject: Re: SamBus Message-Id: <960503213509_100717.2266_EHU82-2@CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 74 Lines: 5 > Anyway, he called himself "dal-yell" < Some kinda prat, obviously... From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri May 3 22:38:02 1996 Date: 03 May 96 17:35:07 EDT From: Ian Dalziel <100717.2266@compuserve.com> To: SAM-USERS Subject: Re: SamBus Message-Id: <960503213507_100717.2266_EHU82-1@CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 321 Lines: 10 "Dalziel" isn't a name that the BBC invented. So, is it _really_ pronounced ",dee'el" or was that just an affectation? Certainly is - the Z isn't a consonant, it's some kind of modifier (don't ask me for details, I don't speak Gaelic). 'S like Menzies is pronounced "Mingis" - or didn't you know that eiher? Ian From bin@nvg.unit.no Sat May 4 08:43:10 1996 Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 08:42:31 +0100 (BST) From: Tim Wells To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SamBus In-Reply-To: <31895995.1A32@pi.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 507 Lines: 14 > > Anyone tell me what the external power supply to the SamBus should be? > > I'm guessing 5 volt, but I don't want to guess the polarity and fry > > something... TheIDE interface makes the SCART output go all feeble > > and fuzzy, so I thought a few extra electrons might help. > > > Somewhat related to that problem, is the little thing on the TWO-UP > also a power connector? If so what are its specs? Allegedly. I'm told that it's the same as on the SamBus - but haven't checked this. Tim W. From bin@nvg.unit.no Sun May 5 13:52:19 1996 From: sh5655@bristol.ac.uk (SL. Harding) Message-Id: <199605051250.NAA22443@irix.bris.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Master CID(worms) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 13:50:38 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <960503145009_100606.175_BHL77-1@CompuServe.COM> from "Christopher White" at May 3, 96 10:50:09 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 499 Lines: 14 > > Okay First Of The Parralax will have to go, But Keep the floating Energy Bar. I think We may have to abolish the 'scalling' thingy as well. (To see what I mean press 'm' on the PC version, the viewpoint moves backwards, scalling the display so that about 70 % of the map can be seen at once) I can't see how this could be done on SAM at a reasonable rate. This feature is essential for efficient use of the shotgun for example (the shotgun has no obvious range limit). Oh-well Num. From bin@nvg.unit.no Mon May 6 11:27:57 1996 From: Vitezslav Sem Organization: SPSSE Liberec To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 12:21:13 +0100 Subject: STATUES OF ICE X-Confirm-Reading-To: "Vitezslav Sem" X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 688 Lines: 20 Hi!!! Did anybody hear about megademo called "STATUES OF ICE"? ****************************************************************** Kdyz jsem v tezke situaci, tak si reknu hlavu vzhuru mohlo by to byt horsi. A opravdu, za chvili to horsi je. - Skeeve carodej Vitezslav Sem Spsse Liberec Liane: Travis E-mail: vitezslav.sem@spsselib.hiedu.cz Linux: vitasem@pluto.spsselib.hiedu.cz ****************************************************************** From bin@nvg.unit.no Mon May 6 12:47:30 1996 Message-Id: From: geoffw@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Geoff Winkless) Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 12:46:13 +0100 In-Reply-To: vitezslav.sem -- "STATUES OF ICE" (May 6, 12:21pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: STATUES OF ICE Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 176 Lines: 12 On May 6, 12:21pm in "STATUES OF ICE", warbled: ] ] Hi!!! ] ] Did anybody hear about megademo called "STATUES OF ICE"? Yeah. Si still hasn't done it. Git. -- Geoff From bin@nvg.unit.no Mon May 6 14:06:57 1996 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 10:00:13 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Dean Liversidge Subject: Re: SamBus In-Reply-To: <960502184250_100717.2266_EHU112-1@CompuServe.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (evaluation) Version 1.12 <3wboB6ZgcD1+LgNOrcQZgzIPap> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1221 Lines: 37 Ian Dalziel writes >Anyone tell me what the external power supply to the SamBus should be? I'm >guessing 5 volt, but I don't want to guess the polarity and fry something... The >IDE interface makes the SCART output go all feeble and fuzzy, so I thought a few >extra electrons might help. Just checked my external PSU, The center (tip) is +5V, the outer is 0V. ____________ ______ _ = 3.5mm \ = Jack Plug _______/ ____________ ^ ^ ------------ + 5V Supply ------------------ 0 V - Ground Just make sure that you switch them both on at the same time ! -- Dean Liversidge .__ . , | \ _.|._ _ _.-+-* _ ._ Co-Sysop of Dalmation BBS |__/(_]|[ | )(_] | |(_)[ ) The First SAM Bulletin Board >>>>>>>>>1ST4SAM>>>>>>>>>> +44 1744 614150 Sysop: Dave Whitmore Online every Saturday 12:00pm till midnight, join us. Turnpike evaluation. For Turnpike information, mailto:info@turnpike.com From imc Mon May 6 18:03:04 1996 Subject: Re: SamBus To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 18:03:04 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <960503213507_100717.2266_EHU82-1@CompuServe.COM> from "Ian Dalziel" at May 3, 96 05:35:07 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 371 Lines: 9 On 03 May 96 17:35:07 EDT, you said: > Certainly is - the Z isn't a consonant, it's some kind of modifier (don't ask me > for details, I don't speak Gaelic). 'S like Menzies is pronounced "Mingis" - or > didn't you know that eiher? Yes I have heard of Menzies Campbell, but in his case the 'z' modifier does not stand for 'delete the previous 2 letters'. :-) imc From imc Mon May 6 18:10:43 1996 Subject: Re: Master CID(worms) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 18:10:43 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <199605051250.NAA22443@irix.bris.ac.uk> from "SL. Harding" at May 5, 96 01:50:38 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 614 Lines: 15 On Sun, 5 May 1996 13:50:38 +0100 (BST), you said: > I think We may have to abolish the 'scalling' thingy as well. (To see what > I mean press 'm' on the PC version, the viewpoint moves backwards, scalling > the display so that about 70 % of the map can be seen at once) Oh, you mean "scaling"!... > This feature is essential for efficient use of the shotgun for example > (the shotgun has no obvious range limit). We didn't know about this when we were playing the Amiga version. Someone wanted to shoot another worm with the shotgun and it was just off the side of the screen so he didn't do too well. imc From bin@nvg.unit.no Mon May 6 21:56:39 1996 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 21:33:51 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Adie Nunn Subject: Re: STATUES OF ICE In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 1.12 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 688 Lines: 19 In message , Geoff Winkless writes >] Did anybody hear about megademo called "STATUES OF ICE"? > >Yeah. Si still hasn't done it. Git. He got exams or something at the moment, so it doesn't look like he's too bothered with it. :) And there's that 'Termite' thing as well that he's working on - I'd be more bothered about that. 'Statues of Ice' is just a demo. Who needs demos?! Bye bye, "I demand to have some booze!" _ |-|die * origin Adie's bedroom, Aberdeen, Scotland, UK, Earth. adie@scooter.demon.co.uk Home of COCONUTS Supergrass 'zine, and BLIND YOUTH music 'zine From bin@nvg.unit.no Tue May 7 00:32:48 1996 Date: 06 May 96 19:27:48 EDT From: Ian Dalziel <100717.2266@compuserve.com> To: SAM-USERS Subject: Re: SamBus Message-Id: <960506232748_100717.2266_EHU66-1@CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 288 Lines: 11 > in his case the 'z' modifier does not stand for 'delete the previous 2 letters'. :-) < Yeh, well, with Dalziel, it's more "Pronounce the first and last letters, and ignore the garbage in the middle" Am I imagining it, or is there a touch of thread drift creeping in here? :-o Ian From bin@nvg.unit.no Tue May 7 00:33:39 1996 Date: 06 May 96 19:27:50 EDT From: Ian Dalziel <100717.2266@compuserve.com> To: SAM-USERS Subject: Re: SamBus Message-Id: <960506232749_100717.2266_EHU66-2@CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 116 Lines: 9 > The center (tip) is +5V, the outer is 0V. < Has anyone told you you are a truly wonderful person? cheers Ian From bin@nvg.unit.no Tue May 7 06:02:58 1996 Date: Tue, 07 May 1996 05:26:41 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <14967@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SamBus X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 78 Lines: 6 Oy who is sending MIME to the mailing list? Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From bin@nvg.unit.no Tue May 7 12:05:12 1996 Message-Id: <318F1F6E.167E@apache-atm.qub.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 07 May 1996 12:01:18 +0200 From: Andrew Gallagher Organization: Queen's University Belfast X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (X11; I; IRIX 5.3 IP22) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SamBus References: <960503213507_100717.2266_EHU82-1@CompuServe.COM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 542 Lines: 17 Ian Dalziel wrote: > > "Dalziel" isn't a name that the BBC invented. So, is it _really_ pronounced > ",dee'el" or was that just an affectation? > > Certainly is - the Z isn't a consonant, it's some kind of modifier (don't ask me > for details, I don't speak Gaelic). 'S like Menzies is pronounced "Mingis" - or > didn't you know that eiher? > > Ian Since when was there a 'z' in the Gaelic alphabet? Sure you're not talking about Welsh or some weird language like that? -- Eric the Witchdoctor -- http://boris.qub.ac.uk/andrew/ From bin@nvg.unit.no Tue May 7 12:50:38 1996 Date: 07 May 96 07:47:07 EDT From: Andrew Collier <100751.545@compuserve.com> To: Sam users Subject: Spooky! Message-Id: <960507114707_100751.545_GHV91-1@CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1771 Lines: 36 I've just swapped the ROM chips between the two boards, and everything seems to be working fine. PRINT PEEK 15 gives 30 like it should, MNEMOcompress works, SC_WORD Pro works, Sam Midi Sequencer works... SAMPaint doesn't work. I think I've entered the twilight zone - I can find no rational explanation for this, I can't even think of a moderately plausible irrational one. With ROM 2, the files would load but not run. Now: the options screen; all the menus; palette, bruch, pattern etc selection; grabbing an area for the close up option; these all work perfectly. Actually trying to do any painting on the workscreens does not. The pointer doesn't even appear on the screen. Sometimes you can get back to the options screen as usual, sometimes you can't. It isn't a strange software error, since my master copy acts exactly the same as my working copy. It isn't a hardware incompatability, since I could load it before the Sam was replaced and the problem still occurs when I remove all extra peripherals. It probably isn't a ROM problem because every other piece of software I've tried now works absolutely perfectly. I can't see that anything is wrong with the SAM's internal hardware, because everything for which I could think of a test is faultless. Loading the MNEMOdemo is a good example, since this makes heavy use of most ports and displays EVERY page of memory at one point or another. I am utterly stumped. Nothing can be wrong but this software refuses to work - just this one program: everything else is fine. Does anybody know if Graham Burtenshaw can be contacted - just to see if he knows what is so unique about his program? If anyone can suggest further tests, or an explanation, or even a fix - I'm all ears. (Or eyes, perhaps) asc From bin@nvg.unit.no Tue May 7 13:26:49 1996 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: Edinburgh Uni (CS and MATHS) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 13:24:57 +0000 Subject: Re: Z80 commands Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Message-Id: <148C4C76FF@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 263 Lines: 10 Re Marc Broster.: > > How many undocumented Z80 instructions are there? > > > > Get a copy of TurboMON, not only is it one of the best peices of software I've > used, It's also got a complete (even OUT (HL),0 etc) list of Z80 instructions. Where from? davee From bin@nvg.unit.no Tue May 7 14:46:57 1996 Subject: Re: Spooky! To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 14:25:48 +0100 (MET DST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <960507114707_100751.545_GHV91-1@CompuServe.COM> from "Andrew Collier" at May 7, 96 07:47:07 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <96May7.152702+0100met_dst.62632-95+51@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 791 Lines: 17 > SAMPaint doesn't work. I think I've entered the twilight zone - I can > find no rational explanation for this, I can't even think of a moderately > plausible irrational one. With ROM 2, the files would load but not run. Now: the > options screen; all the menus; palette, bruch, pattern etc selection; grabbing > an area for the close up option; these all work perfectly. Actually trying to do > any painting on the workscreens does not. The pointer doesn't even appear on the > screen. Sometimes you can get back to the options screen as usual, sometimes you > can't. Well, the main problem with SAMPaint is that it's nearly 100% unadulterated BASIC. /Nearly/, 'cos the BASIC's just gluing all of his functions together. I can't see why it still won't work though. Ummm... pass! Si From bin@nvg.unit.no Tue May 7 18:06:09 1996 Date: 07 May 96 12:54:27 EDT From: Ian Dalziel <100717.2266@compuserve.com> To: SAM-USERS Subject: Re: SamBus Message-Id: <960507165426_100717.2266_EHU141-1@CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 528 Lines: 14 >> the Z isn't a consonant, it's some kind of modifier (don't ask me for details, I don't speak Gaelic) << Andrew Gallagher > Since when was there a 'z' in the Gaelic alphabet? Sure you're not talking about Welsh < Aw c'mon - I SAID I didn't know about Gaelic. Someone explained it to me once, but I don't know. What I said WAS that it wasn't a letter - it's some kind of modifier/accent carried over into the spelling. Anyway, it is Scottish, it's Lowlands, and I don't think this is getting my SamBus hooked up! ;-) Ian From bin@nvg.unit.no Tue May 7 18:22:12 1996 Message-Id: <318EEC1E.7D13@planetconnect.co.uk> Date: Tue, 07 May 1996 06:22:22 +0000 From: Allan Clarkson Organization: Crashed Magazine X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SamBus References: <14967@bgserv.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 146 Lines: 12 > > Oy who is sending MIME to the mailing list? > Not me. Er, MIME? Oh, it's that clicky button, isn't it? (That'll get him). Allan. From bin@nvg.unit.no Tue May 7 20:58:14 1996 From: tsp93ma@soton.ac.uk Message-Id: <199605071952.TAA20133@vision.soton.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Mime To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 20:52:55 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <318EEC1E.7D13@planetconnect.co.uk> from "Allan Clarkson" at May 7, 96 06:22:22 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 523 Lines: 22 To quote Allan Clarkson: @/ > Oy who is sending MIME to the mailing list? @/ @/ Not me. Er, MIME? Oh, it's that clicky button, isn't it? @/ @/ (That'll get him). @/ @/ Allan. Ah, one of these poor people who have to use some Netscape Mail (I assume since your X-Mailer calls itself mozilla) while as lucky bods get to use *proper* mail programs....... :grins manically ....@/ -- Tim Paveley - Maths with Computer Science - University of Southampton Sam Coupe Web Pages: http://www.soton.ac.uk/~tsp93ma/Coupe/ From bin@nvg.unit.no Tue May 7 21:14:31 1996 Posted-Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 22:12:41 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <318FD2BC.2027@pi.net> Date: Tue, 07 May 1996 21:46:20 -0100 From: Stefan Drissen Organization: SOLcorp X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: MOD player version 2.10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1219 Lines: 33 Hi all! After the quick message on how to let your mods sound better with volume amplification (the hard way), the latest version of the SAM MOD player has the volume amplification feature now built in. The song speed and tempo are also displayed. On the disc are also a number of quiet mods, which were totally crap on the ol' soundchip when unamplified, with amplification of about 300% however.... The teledisc file is available from my web pages.... if you have already bought a copy (5 pounds cash, or a eurocheque for 12.50 guilders) then contact me and I will email you the password. Go grab a copy! l8r Stefan Drissen _____ ___ _ ___ ______ ___ ____ / _// \| | /\ | \ | _/ | /\ | \ _/ aka \_ \| || |__ / \| / | _|| |__ / \| / _| of ENTROPY /____/\___/\____\____\_|_\ |_| \____\____\_|_\___\ / \ / Email: drissen@pi.net http://www.pi.net/~drissen \ / Zevende Herven 6,5232 JZ 's-HERTOGENBOSCH,The Netherlands \ / telephone: +31-73-6414969 \ --------------------------------------------------------------- From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed May 8 06:50:50 1996 Date: Wed, 08 May 1996 05:40:09 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <14985@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Spooky! X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 581 Lines: 14 I have experienced weid things on SAM. THere was a problem on some SAMs with ProDos crashing at odd times on some SAMs. We never did figure it out as the PCBs got swapped and all was well. The other software ran perfectly. On the machine that failed to rim SAMPaint, try ProDos and see. I wonder if its a paging timing prpblem in the ASIC? The other theory was that some RAM chips were corrupting due to odd missing Refresh cycles that one guy said he detacted were occuring only when ProDos was running. We changed ASIcws bit it was still there. Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed May 8 12:47:22 1996 Date: 08 May 96 07:41:49 EDT From: Andrew Collier <100751.545@compuserve.com> To: Sam users Subject: Re: Spooky! Message-Id: <960508114148_100751.545_GHV72-1@CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 640 Lines: 13 I think SamPaint could be assuming that some key is always pressed - If I select the palette sequencing icon then it does one or two colours before stopping. It's as if one of the slower hot-keys is continually being activated whenever it is available, but I can't determine which one and even so, nothing else seems to have a problem. Might anything happen if I fiddle with the keyboard connecters?! I'll have a look at ProDos though; I hadn't tried that yet. This 'new' SAM was one I arranged for Ian to buy from Dave Tonks; if it had a v2.0 ROM it very well might have had early versions of some other components too. We'll see. asc From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu May 9 11:25:28 1996 From: James R Curry Organization: Robotic Software To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 11:23:33 GMT Subject: E-Tunes Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Message-Id: <1530CAC61E5@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 603 Lines: 18 Could anyone tell me where in an E-TUNE the data for the volume bars is stored? I used to know, but I've forgotten and lost the piece of paper where I've written it down.. Thanks, -- +--------------------------------------------------------+ | The standard signature file.. | +---------------------+----------------+-----------------+ |From : James R Curry | Date : 8th May | hc1jc@dmu.ac.uk | +---------------------+----------------+-----------------+ | Ooh. A blank line to fill. | +--------------------------------------------------------+ From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu May 9 13:41:16 1996 Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 13:28:18 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <15018@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Spooky! X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 712 Lines: 23 Somewhere is the back of my mind I recall there being an obscure page boundary bug still there in recent ROMs. It could sometimes be corrected by adding a few lines of dummy basic at the start. Are we sure that some mixxture of MasterDos/Masterbasic versions might be the problem? I guess you must have thought of this one though. I did once find a machine that failed on Chris Pile's Ramcheck. That had a few bytes that seemed to forget between refreshes. A new chip fixed that though. As for versions of ASIC, no, I think there is only one that was made in quantity. As far as I recall, the VLSI ne is it. There were some prototypes made by Fujitsu, but they pulled out. Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu May 9 13:41:17 1996 Date: 09 May 96 07:52:34 EDT From: Andrew Collier <100751.545@CompuServe.COM> To: Sam users Subject: Re: Spooky! Message-Id: <960509115234_100751.545_GHV36-1@CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 815 Lines: 26 >On 08/05/96, Brian Gaff advised: > On the machine that >failed to rim SAMPaint, try ProDos and see. I wonder if its a >paging timing prpblem in the ASIC? ProDos works fine. I fiddled about with various programs for nearly an hour, and nothing unexpected happenned at all. I did decide to fiddle with the keyboard connectors, although I didn't expect it to change a lot - and it didn't. I did however write down the markings on my ASIC - are there actually two versions of this chip? It said: VLSI 8940AV YO 3511 VGT 7910-7058 MGT-PLC-1989 SAM-COUPE-1B If SamPaint uses a lot of Basic, then there is I suppose the outside chance of this being some strange spooky ROM corruption problem - could somebody please send me a copy of the real Sam Rom v3.0 so that I can confirm that my own is exactly correct? asc From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu May 9 18:06:05 1996 From: Colin Organization: HSH, University of Nottingham To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 18:02:00 GMT0BST Subject: Fantasy FRED League Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <5705C80BD1@hhn1.hughall.nottingham.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 405 Lines: 12 Hello again everyone. I've missed you all. But enough of the chit-chat. If anyone wants to enter their Fantasy FRED League team, they should mail it to me now. If you don't know what I mean, then oh well. If you do, go read FRED 67 or 68 and send me a team. We've had a decent response so it'll be really exciting. Must dash. Home and Away is on now. Colin 'Snowed under with work' Anderton From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri May 10 11:06:33 1996 From: sh5655@bristol.ac.uk (SL. Harding) Message-Id: <199605101004.LAA29642@irix.bris.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Master CID(worms) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 11:04:12 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <960503145009_100606.175_BHL77-1@CompuServe.COM> from "Christopher White" at May 3, 96 10:50:09 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 103 Lines: 6 So, who is going to volunteer to work on worms? Or will it go the way of SAM Strider? C9 Num. From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri May 10 11:19:05 1996 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: Edinburgh Uni (CS and MATHS) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 11:19:26 +0000 Subject: Re: Master CID(worms) Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Message-Id: <5A77674DF3@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 412 Lines: 15 > > So, who is going to volunteer to work on worms? Or will it go the way of SAM > Strider? What is there to do? All the art can be nicked from any other version, and Chris White just needs to tweak his Lemmings engine so he reckons... and they're the hard bits! (Well, apart from, like, the obligatory 'permission' bit and all that. But that can be checked out after the game's been written ;) ) davee From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri May 10 12:11:41 1996 Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 12:10:23 +0100 (BST) From: Daniel James Doore X-Sender: iq4d4385@jaffle-fddi To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Master CID(worms) In-Reply-To: <5A77674DF3@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 677 Lines: 17 > (Well, apart from, like, the obligatory 'permission' bit and all > that. But that can be checked out after the game's been written ;) ) I can't see any point in doing anything but preliminary work until you get permission, since there's nothing quite like prosecution and who wants to pour blood, sweat and tears into a project that will never get off the ground? Dan. +========================================================================+ | Dan Doore - Ex-Head Pod and Dogsbody | D.J.Doore-iq4d4385@lmu.ac.uk | | WARNING!! Only read every so often, so you might have to wait a bit. | +========================================================================+ From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri May 10 14:10:36 1996 Message-Id: <31934EDC.1015@planetconnect.co.uk> Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 14:12:44 +0000 From: Allan Organization: Crashed Magazine X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Fantasy FRED League References: <5705C80BD1@hhn1.hughall.nottingham.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 635 Lines: 22 Colin wrote: > > Hello again everyone. I've missed you all. Have you been away? I didn't notice you'd gone. > But enough of the chit-chat. If anyone wants to enter their Fantasy > FRED League team, they should mail it to me now. If you don't know > what I mean, then oh well. If you do, go read FRED 67 or 68 and send > me a team. We've had a decent response so it'll be really exciting. Crashed for the cup! Crashed for the cup! Crashed for the cu-u-up! Cra-ashed for the cup! > Must dash. Home and Away is on now. You only watch it for Shannon. > Colin 'Snowed under with work' Anderton Or 'lazy git' Anderton, even. From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri May 10 14:18:52 1996 Message-Id: <3193509D.3027@planetconnect.co.uk> Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 14:20:13 +0000 From: Allan Organization: Crashed Magazine X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Mime References: <199605071952.TAA20133@vision.soton.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 264 Lines: 12 Tim Paveley: > Ah, one of these poor people who have to use some Netscape Mail (I > assume since your X-Mailer calls itself mozilla) while as lucky bods get > to use *proper* mail programs....... > > :grins manically It's free, so I'm not complaining. Allan. From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri May 10 14:22:36 1996 Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 14:17:57 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199605101317.OAA16000@syntech.netwales.co.uk> X-Sender: e0021@mail.netwales.co.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Matt Round Subject: Re: Master CID(worms) Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1716 Lines: 37 >> (Well, apart from, like, the obligatory 'permission' bit and all >> that. But that can be checked out after the game's been written ;) ) > >I can't see any point in doing anything but preliminary work until you get >permission, since there's nothing quite like prosecution and who wants to >pour blood, sweat and tears into a project that will never get off the >ground? Nah, the copyright concerns are the least of the worries.. at worst you just change the colours and call it Snakes or something, and noone's going to be bothered about SAM stuff anyway. The graphics, movement, collision detection etc. do all look reasonably straightforward to do, especially if the Lemmings code could be reused. It's the artificial intelligence that'd be a really big pain - getting computer-controlled worms to intelligently move around and use all those weapons isn't all that easy. If anyone attempts a completely faithful conversion it's unlikely to ever appear. How about if someone takes the Lemmings code, gets some worm-like things moving about a landscape and puts in a couple of weapons (bazooka and shotgun?), resulting in a nice little two-player Snakes/Slugs/whatever game? If that works, and it's been sufficiently well-written, producing a sequel with more weapons and some AI should be OK, and in the meantime at least there's a finished product for people to play. Besides, I reckon Worms can perhaps be improved upon in a couple of areas (controls for one - why on earth can't you play it with just the mouse?!?)(or is it possible and I just couldn't work out how in the demo I briefly played?), and it's nice if the person writing the SAM game feels they haven't just ripped something off! Matt. From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri May 10 15:45:06 1996 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: Edinburgh Uni (CS and MATHS) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 15:44:41 +0000 Subject: Re: Fantasy FRED League Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Message-Id: <5EE33253DA@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 127 Lines: 8 > > Must dash. Home and Away is on now. > > You only watch it for Shannon. Surely Chloe's the one to watch it for? davee From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri May 10 21:58:21 1996 X-Sender: mb11@pop-ug.doc.ic.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 20:56:40 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: mb11@doc.ic.ac.uk (Marc Broster) Subject: Re: Master CID(worms) Message-Id: <96May10.215807+0100met_dst.62588-6619+1@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1516 Lines: 40 >The graphics, movement, collision detection etc. do all look reasonably >straightforward to do, especially if the Lemmings code could be reused. It's >the artificial intelligence that'd be a really big pain - getting >computer-controlled worms to intelligently move around and use all those >weapons isn't all that easy. You're kidding, the AI would be a joke. Hey, even I'd do it if asked. > >If anyone attempts a completely faithful conversion it's unlikely to ever >appear. How about if someone takes the Lemmings code, gets some worm-like >things moving about a landscape and puts in a couple of weapons (bazooka and >shotgun?), resulting in a nice little two-player Snakes/Slugs/whatever game? >If that works, and it's been sufficiently well-written, producing a sequel >with more weapons and some AI should be OK, and in the meantime at least >there's a finished product for people to play. If you get that fair you may as well add all the weapons, a few extras and release it complete. You're right about not needing the full licence (i expect). > >Besides, I reckon Worms can perhaps be improved upon in a couple of areas >(controls for one - why on earth can't you play it with just the >mouse?!?)(or is it possible and I just couldn't work out how in the demo I >briefly played?), and it's nice if the person writing the SAM game feels >they haven't just ripped something off! Perhaps some kind of stratergy mode, where you have to play a series of battles with limited worms? Marc Broster From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri May 10 21:58:23 1996 X-Sender: mb11@pop-ug.doc.ic.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 20:56:44 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: mb11@doc.ic.ac.uk (Marc Broster) Subject: Re: Z80 commands Message-Id: <96May10.215808+0100met_dst.62589-6622+1@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 448 Lines: 23 >Re Marc Broster.: >> > How many undocumented Z80 instructions are there? >> > >> >> Get a copy of TurboMON, not only is it one of the best peices of software >>I've >> used, It's also got a complete (even OUT (HL),0 etc) list of Z80 >>instructions. >Where from? > >davee I got mine from SC software, i think. I can't express fully just how good that program is. If you get it, reconfigure COMET to load it from the menu. Marc Broster From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri May 10 21:58:42 1996 From: tsp93ma@soton.ac.uk Message-Id: <199605102004.UAA08856@vision.soton.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Master CID(worms) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 21:04:58 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <96May10.215807+0100met_dst.62588-6619+1@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> from "Marc Broster" at May 10, 96 08:56:40 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 320 Lines: 16 To quote Marc Broster: @/ Perhaps some kind of stratergy mode, where you have to play a series of @/ battles with limited worms? ala worms+ Does that count as advertising? ....@/ -- Tim Paveley - Maths with Computer Science - University of Southampton Sam Coupe Web Pages: http://www.soton.ac.uk/~tsp93ma/Coupe/ From bin@nvg.unit.no Sun May 12 19:11:38 1996 Posted-Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 20:10:15 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <31965088.340B@pi.net> Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 19:56:40 -0100 From: Stefan Drissen Organization: SOLcorp X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Z80 commands References: <96May10.215808+0100met_dst.62589-6622+1@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1537 Lines: 46 Marc Broster wrote: > > >Re Marc Broster.: > >> > How many undocumented Z80 instructions are there? > >> > > >> > >> Get a copy of TurboMON, not only is it one of the best peices of software > >>I've > >> used, It's also got a complete (even OUT (HL),0 etc) list of Z80 > >>instructions. > >Where from? > > > >davee > > I got mine from SC software, i think. > > I can't express fully just how good that program is. > > Marc Broster Yep, Steve's Software is the address to get it from. Funny thing is to get it you order SC_monitor pro which comprises of Steve's own disassembler (which is the biggest load of crap I've seen in a long time) and as an extra you get TurboMON (which is nice - once you get used to the slightly unfriendly user interface). The next issue of FRED should have a copy of the latest version of GI_Mon, which is my favourite disassembler (it even disassembles to COMET source - most righteous dudes). l8r Stefan Drissen _____ ___ _ ___ ______ ___ ____ / _// \| | /\ | \ | _/ | /\ | \ _/ aka \_ \| || |__ / \| / | _|| |__ / \| / _| of ENTROPY /____/\___/\____\____\_|_\ |_| \____\____\_|_\___\ / \ / Email: drissen@pi.net http://www.pi.net/~drissen \ / Zevende Herven 6,5232 JZ 's-HERTOGENBOSCH,The Netherlands \ / telephone: +31-73-6414969 \ --------------------------------------------------------------- From bin@nvg.unit.no Sun May 12 19:11:50 1996 Posted-Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 20:10:50 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <31965212.59F7@pi.net> Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 20:03:14 -0100 From: Stefan Drissen Organization: SOLcorp X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: E-Tunes References: <1530CAC61E5@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1532 Lines: 45 James R Curry wrote: > > Could anyone tell me where in an E-TUNE the data for the volume bars > is stored? Sure. > I used to know, but I've forgotten and lost the piece of paper where > I've written it down.. At OFFSET+979. All the data that is to be sent to the soundchip is stored there (25 bytes), so first you get 6 bytes for the volumes, then two useless bytes, then 6 bytes for the tone etc Anybody interested in the COMET source for the e-tunes player? > Thanks, You're welcome. > -- > > +--------------------------------------------------------+ > | The standard signature file.. | > +---------------------+----------------+-----------------+ > |From : James R Curry | Date : 8th May | hc1jc@dmu.ac.uk | > +---------------------+----------------+-----------------+ > | Ooh. A blank line to fill. | > +--------------------------------------------------------+ -- Stefan Drissen _____ ___ _ ___ ______ ___ ____ / _// \| | /\ | \ | _/ | /\ | \ _/ aka \_ \| || |__ / \| / | _|| |__ / \| / _| of ENTROPY /____/\___/\____\____\_|_\ |_| \____\____\_|_\___\ / \ / Email: drissen@pi.net http://www.pi.net/~drissen \ / Zevende Herven 6,5232 JZ 's-HERTOGENBOSCH,The Netherlands \ / telephone: +31-73-6414969 \ --------------------------------------------------------------- From bin@nvg.unit.no Sun May 12 19:12:44 1996 Posted-Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 20:11:42 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <319652E7.7EBD@pi.net> Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 20:06:47 -0100 From: Stefan Drissen Organization: SOLcorp X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: STATUES OF ICE References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1001 Lines: 24 Adie Nunn wrote: > He got exams or something at the moment, so it doesn't look like he's > too bothered with it. :) And there's that 'Termite' thing as well that > he's working on - I'd be more bothered about that. 'Statues of Ice' is > just a demo. Who needs demos?! Woah! Are you a BOB supporter or what? Let's have a row about how demos are the breeding grounds of all brilliant routines etc... ;) Stefan Drissen _____ ___ _ ___ ______ ___ ____ / _// \| | /\ | \ | _/ | /\ | \ _/ aka \_ \| || |__ / \| / | _|| |__ / \| / _| of ENTROPY /____/\___/\____\____\_|_\ |_| \____\____\_|_\___\ / \ / Email: drissen@pi.net http://www.pi.net/~drissen \ / Zevende Herven 6,5232 JZ 's-HERTOGENBOSCH,The Netherlands \ / telephone: +31-73-6414969 \ --------------------------------------------------------------- From bin@nvg.unit.no Sun May 12 20:17:40 1996 Message-Id: From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale) Subject: Re: STATUES OF ICE To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 20:16:46 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <319652E7.7EBD@pi.net> from "Stefan Drissen" at May 12, 96 08:06:47 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 335 Lines: 9 > Woah! Are you a BOB supporter or what? Let's have a row about how > demos are the breeding grounds of all brilliant routines etc... ;) OK - demo coders are just hippies who can't take anything seriously and spend all their time coding fun programs because they know that the SAM isn't capable of doing any proper computing.... From bin@nvg.unit.no Sun May 12 22:55:13 1996 Subject: Re: STATUES OF ICE To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 22:54:04 +0100 (MET DST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: from "Andrew M Gale" at May 12, 96 08:16:46 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <96May12.235425+0100met_dst.62522-10763+47@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 599 Lines: 19 > > Woah! Are you a BOB supporter or what? Let's have a row about how > > demos are the breeding grounds of all brilliant routines etc... ;) > > OK - demo coders are just hippies who can't take anything > seriously and spend all their time coding fun programs > because they know that the SAM isn't capable of doing any > proper computing.... Was that a personal affront there? :) Not that the length of my hair nor my moral code/belief system are at all those normally used to stereotypically describe those of a "Hippy" nature. No sirree. Can't count me in that group at all. Peace, Si From bin@nvg.unit.no Mon May 13 07:43:13 1996 Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 07:05:16 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <15078@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Demos and software X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 699 Lines: 20 Surely both have their place. Demos foster ideas that can be used in software that has more serious leanings. The problem here seems to be the priority. It is obviously much more satifying to produce an impressive demo, than do the often boring run of the mill coding that makes up the majority of a game or serious application. What is needed is a bit of self discipline so that a demo does not take over the lions share of time. You can easily get so busy with so many projects, none of them ever get ginished! This is often seen in houses where DIY fans live! You knowm the shelves are not screwed to the brackets yet, Lots of flat pack units in the hall? :-) Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From bin@nvg.unit.no Mon May 13 12:22:35 1996 From: James R Curry Organization: Robotic Software To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 12:23:03 GMT Subject: Re: Fantasy FRED League Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Message-Id: <1B40CC51133@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 598 Lines: 19 > > > Must dash. Home and Away is on now. > > > > You only watch it for Shannon. > > Surely Chloe's the one to watch it for? > I can see how SAM related this discussion is.. -- +--------------------------------------------------------+ | The standard signature file.. | +---------------------+----------------+-----------------+ |From : James R Curry | Date : 13th May| hc1jc@dmu.ac.uk | +---------------------+----------------+-----------------+ | Ooh. A blank line to fill. | +--------------------------------------------------------+ From bin@nvg.unit.no Mon May 13 13:19:32 1996 Message-Id: From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale) Subject: Re: Fantasy FRED League To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 13:17:56 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <1B40CC51133@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> from "James R Curry" at May 13, 96 12:23:03 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 117 Lines: 6 > I can see how SAM related this discussion is.. > Sam? No, he's a dork. We're far more interedted in the women.. From bin@nvg.unit.no Mon May 13 14:53:10 1996 From: James R Curry Organization: Robotic Software To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 14:53:47 GMT Subject: Re: Fantasy FRED League Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Message-Id: <1B68FCC6439@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 812 Lines: 23 > From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale) > Subject: Re: Fantasy FRED League > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 13:17:56 +0100 (BST) > Reply-to: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > > I can see how SAM related this discussion is.. > > > > Sam? No, he's a dork. We're far more interedted in the women.. > Oh, Ha, Ha. You know what I meant. -- +--------------------------------------------------------+ | The standard signature file.. | +---------------------+----------------+-----------------+ |From : James R Curry | Date : 13th May| hc1jc@dmu.ac.uk | +---------------------+----------------+-----------------+ | Ooh. A blank line to fill. | +--------------------------------------------------------+ From bin@nvg.unit.no Mon May 13 18:24:05 1996 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 21:49:59 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Adie Nunn Subject: Re: STATUES OF ICE In-Reply-To: <319652E7.7EBD@pi.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 1.12 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 615 Lines: 20 In message <319652E7.7EBD@pi.net>, Stefan Drissen writes > >Woah! Are you a BOB supporter or what? Let's have a row about how You must be f***ing joking. >demos are the breeding grounds of all brilliant routines etc... ;) If you come up with a "brilliant routine" they why put it in a demo? Why not put it straight into your new game or utility? Bye bye, "I demand to have some booze!" _ |-|die * origin Adie's bedroom, Aberdeen, Scotland, UK, Earth. adie@scooter.demon.co.uk Home of COCONUTS Supergrass 'zine, and BLIND YOUTH music 'zine From bin@nvg.unit.no Mon May 13 19:14:47 1996 Message-Id: From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale) Subject: Re: STATUES OF ICE To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 19:13:01 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Adie Nunn" at May 12, 96 09:49:59 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 282 Lines: 8 > If you come up with a "brilliant routine" they why put it in a demo? Why > not put it straight into your new game or utility? I always thought COMET assembler could do with a fancy scroller or starfield. Having said that, hasn't SAMPaint got a tetris game? Is it any good?!!! From bin@nvg.unit.no Mon May 13 19:56:09 1996 From: James R Curry Organization: Robotic Software To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 19:57:09 GMT Subject: Re: STATUES OF ICE Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Message-Id: <1BB9E677792@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 940 Lines: 25 > >Woah! Are you a BOB supporter or what? Let's have a row about how > > You must be f***ing joking. > > >demos are the breeding grounds of all brilliant routines etc... ;) > > If you come up with a "brilliant routine" they why put it in a demo? Why > not put it straight into your new game or utility? Because trying it out in a demo is about ten squillion times easier than writing an entire game or utility to try it in. Demo's are good practice, a fairly small project to work on and perfect your routines. -- +--------------------------------------------------------+ | The standard signature file.. | +---------------------+----------------+-----------------+ |From : James R Curry | Date : 13th May| hc1jc@dmu.ac.uk | +---------------------+----------------+-----------------+ | Ooh. A blank line to fill. | +--------------------------------------------------------+ From bin@nvg.unit.no Tue May 14 12:35:53 1996 Date: 14 May 96 07:30:42 EDT From: Andrew Collier <100751.545@compuserve.com> To: Sam users Subject: Re: Spooky! Message-Id: <960514113041_100751.545_GHV74-1@CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 834 Lines: 27 On 09/05/96, Brian Gaff suggested: >Somewhere is the back of my mind I recall there being an obscure >page boundary bug still there in recent ROMs. It could sometimes >be corrected by adding a few lines of dummy basic at the start. True, but that isn't the problem here. >Are we sure that some mixxture of MasterDos/Masterbasic versions >might be the problem? Absolutely. The point is that the software was working fine on the old machine with all the same disk software, and even the same ROM chip. >I did once find a machine that failed on Chris Pile's Ramcheck. What's that then? >That had a few bytes that seemed to forget between refreshes. A >new chip fixed that though. I'd better try swapping the RAM chips between the two machines aswell then. I did notice that there were different makes in the two machines. asc From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed May 15 13:19:23 1996 Posted-Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 14:17:01 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <3199C1DC.413D@pi.net> Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 13:37:00 +0200 From: Stefan Drissen Organization: SOLcorp X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: IDE interface Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2700 Lines: 58 Finally I've hooked a harddrive up to the SD Software IDE interface (thanks for the harddrive Ben!). The drive is a 40 meg one, with 5 heads, 980 cylinders and 17 sectors per track. Upon trying to get the thing to work however, the HDOS kept on throwing sector errors at me - despite a surface scan showing up no bad sectors. The sector errors are apparently a silly way of saying that the DOS has lost its directory structure. So off I went to try to approach the harddrive by myself, without HDOS. Up popped problem area number 1, TOTAL LACK of technical data. Looking through all the supplied "utility" programs I found out how I could read a sector. After several attempts it my proggy finally worked. To ensure error free loading I had to do the following: 1. do the things that the HDINIT defprocs always do 2. select the correct sector (head, cylinder, sector) 3. wait for a ready (if this takes too long then restart from point 1) 4. read the data 5. check the status (if there is an error then goto 1.) As far as I can see, there are some MAJOR bugs in the HDOS routines as far as little glitches are concerned. If a sector can't be loaded correctly immediately then the DOS stuffs up. Due to the DOS structure getting corrupted I assume that a similar problem exists when writing to the disc (I've still got to experiment with this). Since, if /I/ can read the disc 100% errorfree, why can't HDOS???? Just in case your interested, the IDE interface is NOT very fast. I don't think this really matters, since the access to a large media device is more important. I ran two tests which READ all the data off my harddisc (40megs), one was using two INIRs to read 512 bytes per sector, the other was using 512 INIs to read the data: INI : 15 minutes 32 secs -> 45761 bytes per second INIR: 15 minutes 54 secs -> 44706 bytes per second So that's an average of 44k per second. This is still about 50% faster than the floppy drive (approx 30k per second). Once again: has ANYONE got a techy document on the commands that can be sent to the IDE interface???? l8r -- Stefan Drissen _____ ___ _ ___ ______ ___ ____ / _// \| | /\ | \ | _/ | /\ | \ _/ aka \_ \| || |__ / \| / | _|| |__ / \| / _| of ENTROPY /____/\___/\____\____\_|_\ |_| \____\____\_|_\___\ / \ / Email: drissen@pi.net http://www.pi.net/~drissen \ / Zevende Herven 6,5232 JZ 's-HERTOGENBOSCH,The Netherlands \ / telephone: +31-73-6414969 \ --------------------------------------------------------------- From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed May 15 18:56:00 1996 Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 18:41:53 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <15129@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Spooky! X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1366 Lines: 47 In message <960514113041_100751.545_GHV74-1@CompuServe.COM> Andrew Collier writes: > On 09/05/96, Brian Gaff suggested: > > >Somewhere is the back of my mind I recall there being an obscure > >page boundary bug still there in recent ROMs. It could sometimes > >be corrected by adding a few lines of dummy basic at the start. > > True, but that isn't the problem here. > > >Are we sure that some mixxture of MasterDos/Masterbasic versions > >might be the problem? > > Absolutely. The point is that the software was working fine on the old machine > with all the same disk software, and even the same ROM chip. > Oh dear.... Could garbage be coming from the disc, or maybe noise on the bus as in overloaded Speccies? > >I did once find a machine that failed on Chris Pile's Ramcheck. > > What's that then? > Its a routine he sent to Outlet that checks all RAM. Ask Colin, he had all the masters when the mag stopped. > >That had a few bytes that seemed to forget between refreshes. A > >new chip fixed that though. > > I'd better try swapping the RAM chips between the two machines aswell then. I > did notice that there were different makes in the two machines. > I recall Bruce saying only certain makes would actually be reliable, though on paper they would all be, this was not the case in practise. > asc > > > Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed May 15 18:56:37 1996 Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 18:45:37 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <15130@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: RCPT: STATUES OF ICE X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 112 Lines: 8 Ok No, better switch that return receipt off! We are all doomed... doomed... Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed May 15 19:26:34 1996 From: James R Curry Organization: Robotic Software To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 19:27:11 GMT Subject: Re: RCPT: STATUES OF ICE Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Message-Id: <1EB1F9C466C@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 517 Lines: 17 > Ok No, better switch that return receipt off! > > We are all doomed... doomed... > Whoops.. -- +--------------------------------------------------------+ | The standard signature file.. | +---------------------+----------------+-----------------+ |From : James R Curry | Date : 15th May| hc1jc@dmu.ac.uk | +---------------------+----------------+-----------------+ | Ooh. A blank line to fill. | +--------------------------------------------------------+ From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed May 15 19:57:18 1996 Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 19:50:17 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <15141@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: IDE interface X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 246 Lines: 9 I trust you have sent a copy of your problems to Nev. I suspect the problem is that he has been testing with discs that always read within the time allowed first time. Would you like me to pass a copy on to him? Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed May 15 20:04:04 1996 From: James R Curry Organization: Robotic Software To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 20:04:31 GMT Subject: Re: IDE interface Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Message-Id: <1EBBF033620@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 835 Lines: 22 > I trust you have sent a copy of your problems to Nev. I suspect > the problem is that he has been testing with discs that always > read within the time allowed first time. Would you like me to > pass a copy on to him? I am seriously tempted to get a hard drive for my Sam. But should I wait until all these problems are sorted and it's a bit faster..? To: SAM-USERS Subject: Re: IDE interface Message-Id: <960515224211_100717.2266_EHU88-2@CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 581 Lines: 17 Fm: "James R Curry" > INTERNET:hc1jc@dmu.ac.uk > I am seriously tempted to get a hard drive for my Sam. < > But should I wait until all these problems are sorted and it's a bit faster..? < Not really - he's sending out software updates as he gets the DOS sorted. It's a way from right yet (IMHO), but us mugs paying up front must be what's funding the development - if everyone waits, Godot will arrive sooner. Anyway, you can pick up a drive for twenty quid these days. (Who needs gigabytes - this is an eight-bit we're talking about, remember?) So what's to wait for? Ian From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed May 15 23:58:30 1996 Posted-Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 00:55:13 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <319A6010.358F@pi.net> Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 00:52:00 +0200 From: Stefan Drissen Organization: SOLcorp X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: IDE oops! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1794 Lines: 38 Hmmm, the IDE adventure continues! After having written the little sector reader I thought it might be an idea to see what the contents was of the sectors - your basic hex/ascii dump... What happened? All the sectors were empty, whereas the HDLOOK utility definitely showed data in the sectors. What was the bug? Well, just like floppies, a harddrive does not have a sector 0. By trying to read a sector 0 something strange happened which allowed all sectors to be read after an init without errors. Problem is, nothing was being read! That fixed, the drive was having major problems reading every 3rd sector, sometimes a successful read was achieved. I finally bowed down to the fact that the drive was probably buggered, in spite of Ben's vouches of confidence. To make sure, I tried another flatcable, et voila, the sector reader works fine on ALL sectors, something was buggy about the cable (THANKS BEN!, the good bit is that at least I didn't buy the cable for nothing). With new hope I set out to try HDOS. It all seemed to work like a charm, but once again strange things started happening..... So now I've got more experimenting to do... (damn these finals!) l8r -- Stefan Drissen _____ ___ _ ___ ______ ___ ____ / _// \| | /\ | \ | _/ | /\ | \ _/ aka \_ \| || |__ / \| / | _|| |__ / \| / _| of ENTROPY /____/\___/\____\____\_|_\ |_| \____\____\_|_\___\ / \ / Email: drissen@pi.net http://www.pi.net/~drissen \ / Zevende Herven 6,5232 JZ 's-HERTOGENBOSCH,The Netherlands \ / telephone: +31-73-6414969 \ --------------------------------------------------------------- From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu May 16 16:08:07 1996 Posted-Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 12:29:51 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <319B0372.FC0@pi.net> Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 12:29:06 +0200 From: Stefan Drissen Organization: SOLcorp X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: IDE interface References: <1EBBF033620@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1340 Lines: 34 James R Curry wrote: > I am seriously tempted to get a hard drive for my Sam. > > But should I wait until all these problems are sorted and it's a bit > faster..? Naaah! The problems are probably largely my own fault, and being in the leading edge of owners it means that you've got a bundle of utility programs to write.... As to faster, I haven't checked out the speeds when doing multiple sector reads yet, considering what I've read about these I think that there could be some increased performance. Who needs faster anyway? 40k a second is fine for the SAM. The main selling point is that you don't have to swap discs all the time to access all your programs. > Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 12:26:14 +0200 From: Stefan Drissen Organization: SOLcorp X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: IDE interface References: <15141@bgserv.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1779 Lines: 45 Brian Gaff Sam Dept. wrote: > > I trust you have sent a copy of your problems to Nev. I suspect > the problem is that he has been testing with discs that always > read within the time allowed first time. Would you like me to > pass a copy on to him? Thanks for the offer Brian, but as you may have read in last night's mail, the problem was a faulty cable. My code wasn't actually reading sectors at all (even though I thought it was). HDOS is STILL not working though. Sector 1 (the label) is getting overwritten every time after a couple of saves. What I have discovered is that with my read routine, the proper head is not always selected correctly resulting in the wrong sector being read. The rubbish that had been written into sector 1 head 0 seemed to fit onto the end of head 0 sector 16 further strengthening my suspicion. There are a couple of things I'm going to try now, first one is to shorten the flat cable from 1 metre to 50 centimetres (since this was mentioned in the ATA docs - CHEEEEEERS Simon!). Experiment two is to just use the drive as a one headed drive and see if the problems are then resolved. > Brian > > -- > Brian Gaff Sam Dept. -- Stefan Drissen _____ ___ _ ___ ______ ___ ____ / _// \| | /\ | \ | _/ | /\ | \ _/ aka \_ \| || |__ / \| / | _|| |__ / \| / _| of ENTROPY /____/\___/\____\____\_|_\ |_| \____\____\_|_\___\ / \ / Email: drissen@pi.net http://www.pi.net/~drissen \ / Zevende Herven 6,5232 JZ 's-HERTOGENBOSCH,The Netherlands \ / telephone: +31-73-6414969 \ --------------------------------------------------------------- From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu May 16 16:08:08 1996 Date: 16 May 96 07:41:22 EDT From: Andrew Collier <100751.545@compuserve.com> To: Sam users Subject: Re: Spooky! Message-Id: <960516114121_100751.545_GHV117-1@CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1227 Lines: 43 On 14/05/96 I said: >I'd better try swapping the RAM chips between the two machines aswell then. I >did notice that there were different makes in the two machines. In fact there are three. My original Sam had an anonymous Japanese chip; its replacement has SIEMENS chips and the 256K upgrade has NEC UK chips. I did swap the chips, but it seems to make absolutely no difference whatsoever to the SamPaint problem. I've decided it must be some strange ROM corruption since there isn't much else in the box! To test my theory, I'd like at least two other people to run the following checksum calculating program on a SAM with a real v3.0 ROM (ie no deliberate changes like the Hominprom or whatever) and confirm the results. On mine, it gives 19. 10 POKE 32768, 62,95,211,250,175,33,0,192,1,128,0,134,35,16,252,13,32,249,79,201 20 PRINT USR 32768 Roughly translated this means: LD A,95 OUT (250),A XOR A LD HL,49152 LD BC,128 @: ADD (HL) INC HL DJNZ @ JR NZ,@ LD C,A RET I hope I can get this problem sorted soon; my exams start next Tuesday - I'll be spending very little time in the Computer Room and I may well have to desubscribe from this list as a result. (A new and better service promised next October!) asc From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu May 16 16:08:27 1996 Path: esoftc.seuk.com!paul.walker From: paul walker Date: 16 May 96 02:07:40 +0000 Subject: Re: STATUES OF ICE Message-Id: Organization: SEUK, Guildford, UK In-Reply-To: 319652E7.7EBD@pi.net To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 624 Lines: 20 > he's working on - I'd be more bothered about that. 'Statues of Ice' is > just a demo. Who needs demos?! dr> Woah! Are you a BOB supporter or what? Let's have a row about how Heheh... "Bob lives! It *lives*, I tell you, LIVES! Mwa ha ha haaaa!" ;) dr> demos are the breeding grounds of all brilliant routines etc... ;) No comment, as I haven't written one/don't have any brilliant routines :) Paul ... "We're Going North Like Hell" --- Tag-O-Matic V.10 (13301 Taglines) [Quoted: 63%] Registered to : Paul! --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 -- Standard disclaimer: My views are strictly my own. From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu May 16 16:19:51 1996 Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 17:15:49 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9605161515.AA04960@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Spooky! X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 313 Lines: 11 > To test my theory, I'd like at least two other people to run the following > checksum calculating program on a SAM with a real v3.0 ROM (ie no deliberate > changes like the Hominprom or whatever) and confirm the results. On mine, it > gives 19. On xcoupe it gives 20. I'll try it at home and see... -Frode From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu May 16 17:00:27 1996 Posted-Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 17:58:43 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <319B5093.6BC2@pi.net> Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 17:58:11 +0200 From: Stefan Drissen Organization: SOLcorp X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Chucking away the harddrive Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1799 Lines: 47 Phew! Finally after two days wasted trying to get the harddrive to work I am now chucking it into the rubbish bin. Further attempts at getting it to work with my SAM were NOT working, so on to the final test: try it out on a PC. Which I did, and it didn't. The harddrive is simply buggered (thanks Ben! - if you want to save it from the rubbish bin then let me know soon!). There were a few discrepancies as far as the drive was concerned: 1. it didn't always power up properly. This wasn't a problem, simply turning the drive off and on usually did the trick. 2. despite the sticker on the drive: 5 heads, 980 cylinders, 17 sectors the drive kept on reporting that it had 2 heads, 1043 cylinders, 40 sectors. 3. even though the serial number was E4C870, the drive reported this as E4CB70. I'm off to do some studying.... I'll get another hard drive after my last exam on 7 June. The time spent farting around with a dead harddrive was not totally wasted, I learnt quite a lot about the software side (many many many thanks for the ATA docs Simon!). Brian, could you let Nev Young know that the letter he'll be getting from me shortly is a load of bollocks? l8r -- Stefan Drissen _____ ___ _ ___ ______ ___ ____ / _// \| | /\ | \ | _/ | /\ | \ _/ aka \_ \| || |__ / \| / | _|| |__ / \| / _| of ENTROPY /____/\___/\____\____\_|_\ |_| \____\____\_|_\___\ / \ / Email: drissen@pi.net http://www.pi.net/~drissen \ / Zevende Herven 6,5232 JZ 's-HERTOGENBOSCH,The Netherlands \ / telephone: +31-73-6414969 \ --------------------------------------------------------------- From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu May 16 17:18:43 1996 Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 17:05:05 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <15160@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: IDE interface X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 718 Lines: 22 In message <319B02C6.31A4@pi.net> Stefan Drissen writes: > Brian Gaff Sam Dept. wrote: > > > > There are a couple of things I'm going to try now, first one is to > shorten the flat cable from 1 metre to 50 centimetres (since this was > mentioned in the ATA docs - CHEEEEEERS Simon!). Experiment two is to > just use the drive as a one headed drive and see if the problems are > then resolved. > Something just occured to me. Does the interface use any power from SAM. Do you recall the strange behavious of the UART in the RS232? This was due to not very good earthing so ground in fact was not always 0V. It could be upsetting somthing in your system. Have you got a scope? Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri May 17 13:03:26 1996 Message-Id: From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale) Subject: Re: Spooky! To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 13:01:29 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <9605161515.AA04960@asmal.edh-net> from "Frode Tenneboe" at May 16, 96 05:15:49 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 108 Lines: 5 Just a quickie - does the harddrive need software loading from floppy to boot it? Really? How crap. -Andy From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri May 17 17:09:04 1996 Posted-Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 18:07:06 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <319C44D7.7E83@pi.net> Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 11:20:23 +0200 From: Stefan Drissen Organization: SOLcorp X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Spooky! References: <960516114121_100751.545_GHV117-1@CompuServe.COM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 981 Lines: 24 Andrew Collier wrote: > To test my theory, I'd like at least two other people to run the following > checksum calculating program on a SAM with a real v3.0 ROM (ie no deliberate > changes like the Hominprom or whatever) and confirm the results. On mine, it > gives 19. My SAM gives 1. The copyright message is SAM Computers 1991. I could send you a copy of the ROM if you like. -- Stefan Drissen _____ ___ _ ___ ______ ___ ____ / _// \| | /\ | \ | _/ | /\ | \ _/ aka \_ \| || |__ / \| / | _|| |__ / \| / _| of ENTROPY /____/\___/\____\____\_|_\ |_| \____\____\_|_\___\ / \ / Email: drissen@pi.net http://www.pi.net/~drissen \ / Zevende Herven 6,5232 JZ 's-HERTOGENBOSCH,The Netherlands \ / telephone: +31-73-6414969 \ --------------------------------------------------------------- From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri May 17 19:54:22 1996 Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 20:50:39 +0200 (MET DST) From: Ben Versteeg Subject: Re: Chucking away the harddrive In-Reply-To: <319B5093.6BC2@pi.net> from Stefan Drissen at "May 16, 96 05:58:11 pm" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-Id: <199605171850.UAA05054@charm.il.ft.hse.nl> X-Envelope-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.NO Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2598 Lines: 73 > Phew! > > Finally after two days wasted trying to get the harddrive to work I am > now chucking it into the rubbish bin. Further attempts at getting it to > work with my SAM were NOT working, so on to the final test: try it out > on a PC. Which I did, and it didn't. (big shame) > The harddrive is simply buggered > (thanks Ben! - if you want to save it from the rubbish bin then let me > know soon!). Those good old Conner's aren't as reliable as they used to be ... Must be because of my trip to your home :) > There were a few discrepancies as far as the drive was concerned: > > 1. it didn't always power up properly. This wasn't a problem, simply > turning the drive off and on usually did the trick. I knew that. > 2. despite the sticker on the drive: 5 heads, 980 cylinders, 17 sectors > the drive kept on reporting that it had 2 heads, 1043 cylinders, 40 Woops, sorry bout that Stefan :) > 3. even though the serial number was E4C870, the drive reported this as > E4CB70. ? > I'm off to do some studying.... I'll get another hard drive after my > last exam on 7 June. > > The time spent farting around with a dead harddrive was not totally > wasted, I learnt quite a lot about the software side (many many many > thanks for the ATA docs Simon!). I think ... I better not show my face around you for a while ... > Brian, could you let Nev Young know that the letter he'll be getting > from me shortly is a load of bollocks? > > > l8r > -- > > Stefan Drissen > _____ ___ _ ___ ______ ___ ____ > / _// \| | /\ | \ | _/ | /\ | \ _/ > aka \_ \| || |__ / \| / | _|| |__ / \| / _| of ENTROPY > /____/\___/\____\____\_|_\ |_| \____\____\_|_\___\ > / \ > / Email: drissen@pi.net http://www.pi.net/~drissen \ > / Zevende Herven 6,5232 JZ 's-HERTOGENBOSCH,The Netherlands \ > / telephone: +31-73-6414969 \ > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Inner Products Holland _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/ Ben Versteeg _/ _/_/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ ben@il.ft.hse.nl _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ www.il.ft.hse.nl/~ben _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- From bin@nvg.unit.no Sat May 18 10:09:47 1996 Posted-Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 11:03:52 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <319CA568.52B2@pi.net> Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 18:12:24 +0200 From: Stefan Drissen Organization: SOLcorp X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Spooky! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1220 Lines: 31 Andrew M Gale wrote: > > Just a quickie - does the harddrive need software > loading from floppy to boot it? Really? How crap. > -Andy That's the problem having a computer that was launched without even the notion of getting a harddrive attached to it. Once the IDE interface gets settled in I reckon that a new ROM could be released with a modified bootstrap so that it will try to boot of the harddisc if there is no disc in the floppy drive. The bootstrap would load code contained in the first sector of the harddisc which could then load in some code to let you select which partition you want to boot off. -- Stefan Drissen _____ ___ _ ___ ______ ___ ____ / _// \| | /\ | \ | _/ | /\ | \ _/ aka \_ \| || |__ / \| / | _|| |__ / \| / _| of ENTROPY /____/\___/\____\____\_|_\ |_| \____\____\_|_\___\ / \ / Email: drissen@pi.net http://www.pi.net/~drissen \ / Zevende Herven 6,5232 JZ 's-HERTOGENBOSCH,The Netherlands \ / telephone: +31-73-6414969 \ --------------------------------------------------------------- From bin@nvg.unit.no Sat May 18 10:24:04 1996 Message-Id: From: geoffw@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Geoff Winkless) Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 10:23:25 +0100 In-Reply-To: drissen -- "Re: Spooky!" (May 17, 6:12pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Spooky! Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 258 Lines: 12 On May 17, 6:12pm in "Re: Spooky!", warbled: ] The bootstrap would load code contained in the first sector of the ] harddisc which could then load in some code to let you select which ] partition you want to boot off. ] ala lilo? Cool! :) -- Geoff From bin@nvg.unit.no Sun May 19 20:48:14 1996 Path: esoftc.seuk.com!paul.walker From: paul walker Date: 19 May 96 00:57:33 +0000 Subject: Re: Spooky! Message-Id: Organization: SEUK, Guildford, UK In-Reply-To: 960516114121_100751.545_GHV117-1@CompuServe.COM To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 648 Lines: 21 10> To test my theory, I'd like at least two other people to run the 10> following checksum calculating program on a SAM with a real v3.0 ROM 10> (ie no deliberate changes like the Hominprom or whatever) and confirm 10> the results. On mine, it gives 19. Same here. 10> I hope I can get this problem sorted soon; my exams start next Tuesday Same here. Looking forward to them? :-/ Paul ... Taglines are irrelevant. You will be assimilated into the Blue Wave. --- Tag-O-Matic V.10 (13333 Taglines) [Quoted: 86%] Registered to : Paul! --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 -- Standard disclaimer: My views are strictly my own. From bin@nvg.unit.no Mon May 20 12:47:12 1996 Date: 20 May 96 07:42:58 EDT From: Andrew Collier <100751.545@compuserve.com> To: Sam users Subject: Re: Spooky Message-Id: <960520114258_100751.545_GHV60-1@CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 887 Lines: 52 On 16/5/96, I gave the following listing: >Roughly translated this means: > >LD A,95 >OUT (250),A >XOR A >LD HL,49152 >LD BC,128 >@: ADD (HL) >INC HL >DJNZ @ >JR NZ,@ >LD C,A >RET TYPO! There should be a DEC C between the DJNZ and the JR,NZ - I'm surprised nobody spotted this, but the numbers listing was okay. Probably. Perhaps this caused the surprising results: >On xcoupe it gives 20. >I'll try it at home and see... > -Frode and >My SAM gives 1. The copyright message is SAM Computers 1991. I could >send you a copy of the ROM if you like. >Stefan Drissen and >> the results. On mine, it gives 19. >Same here. Let's just check this; these are all V3.0 and run SamPaint? This is seriously wierd - so don't steal this subject heading for more pointless Hard Drive chatter! :-) >>my exams start next Tuesday >Same here. Looking forward to them? :-/ erk. asc From bin@nvg.unit.no Mon May 20 16:42:08 1996 Message-Id: From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale) Subject: Harddisk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 16:40:09 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <5EE33253DA@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> from "Dave Hooper" at May 10, 96 03:44:41 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 228 Lines: 8 A nice idea for booting the harddisc would be to have a 32KSRAM, battery backed, mimicking the ROM - just change the area of codes used to boot. Then, if the drive changes, a quick software patch is all that is needed. -Andy From bin@nvg.unit.no Mon May 20 19:50:22 1996 Posted-Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 20:49:04 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <31A0BE42.6090@pi.net> Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 20:47:30 +0200 From: Stefan Drissen Organization: SOLcorp X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Spooky References: <960520114258_100751.545_GHV60-1@CompuServe.COM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1648 Lines: 38 Andrew Collier wrote: > > TYPO! There should be a DEC C between the DJNZ and the JR,NZ - I'm surprised > nobody spotted this, but the numbers listing was okay. Probably. Hmmm. We must have all been in dormant "final" mode. :) > Perhaps this caused the surprising results: Naaah. I just typed in the poke line (I think - just checking - yep it really does give 1). Does everybody have the same copyright message though? I thought that the West Coast ROMs were given a version 3.5 (a bit of a big version increase for a simple name change). > Let's just check this; these are all V3.0 and run SamPaint? This is seriously > wierd - so don't steal this subject heading for more pointless Hard Drive > chatter! :-) My SAM also runs SamPaint (version 1.5 January 1994) using both masterdos and samdos. Are you SURE that the copy of SAMpaint that you are using works? Have you tried it on another SAM? Have you tried hacking it? and not succeeded (***gna gna***) (that's what you get for calling harddrive chatter pointless! :) ). -- Stefan Drissen _____ ___ _ ___ ______ ___ ____ / _// \| | /\ | \ | _/ | /\ | \ _/ aka \_ \| || |__ / \| / | _|| |__ / \| / _| of ENTROPY /____/\___/\____\____\_|_\ |_| \____\____\_|_\___\ / \ / Email: drissen@pi.net http://www.pi.net/~drissen \ / Zevende Herven 6,5232 JZ 's-HERTOGENBOSCH,The Netherlands \ / telephone: +31-73-6414969 \ --------------------------------------------------------------- From bin@nvg.unit.no Tue May 21 06:46:15 1996 Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 06:29:07 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <15269@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Spooky X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 144 Lines: 11 ROM checksums. Are some PROMS and some EPROMs? I believe PROMS imised locations are 0, but EPROMs are 255? Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From bin@nvg.unit.no Tue May 21 08:43:29 1996 Posted-Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 09:42:33 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <31A0DC7F.22FA@pi.net> Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 22:56:31 +0200 From: Stefan Drissen Organization: SOLcorp X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Eddie's back! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1362 Lines: 31 I just received a phonecall from Edwin Blink, he is back from Thailand and is now (temporarily) back in The Netherlands with his girlfriend and daughter (how cute). Edwin asked me to ask you lot if any of you happen to have a not 100% perfect ASIC he could have since he has blown up the synchronisation line. A 64 colour ASIC would be most welcome! If no one happens to have a "defect" ASIC, does anyone know what West Coast is charging for one? On the SAM front he has written a routine which scrolls approx 1/3 of the screen in 50fps in mode 4 (using the good old stack pointer) plus a routine to format sam discs to 900k (bit of an old trick that one - 5.5k per sector) this now only needs to be incorporated into a dos (feature number 8 Cookie!) -- Stefan Drissen _____ ___ _ ___ ______ ___ ____ / _// \| | /\ | \ | _/ | /\ | \ _/ aka \_ \| || |__ / \| / | _|| |__ / \| / _| of ENTROPY /____/\___/\____\____\_|_\ |_| \____\____\_|_\___\ / \ / Email: drissen@pi.net http://www.pi.net/~drissen \ / Zevende Herven 6,5232 JZ 's-HERTOGENBOSCH,The Netherlands \ / telephone: +31-73-6414969 \ --------------------------------------------------------------- From bin@nvg.unit.no Tue May 21 13:14:35 1996 Message-Id: <31A1C1B1.4076@planetconnect.co.uk> Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 13:14:25 +0000 From: Allan C Organization: Crashed Magazine X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Fred? References: <15269@bgserv.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 123 Lines: 5 Well, well, well. Fred's a little on the late side, isn't it, Colin...? (Not that Crashed isn't, or anything...) Allan. From imc Tue May 21 14:57:48 1996 Subject: Re: Spooky To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 14:57:48 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <31A0BE42.6090@pi.net> from "Stefan Drissen" at May 20, 96 08:47:30 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 627 Lines: 12 On Mon, 20 May 1996 20:47:30 +0200, Stefan Drissen said: > Naaah. I just typed in the poke line (I think - just checking - yep it > really does give 1). Does everybody have the same copyright message > though? I thought that the West Coast ROMs were given a version 3.5 (a > bit of a big version increase for a simple name change). I have (I think) 3.0. The little program says 19 and the initialisation message says "MILES GORDON TECHNOLOGY PLC" and on the next line a copyright symbol followed by "1990 SAM Coupe 512K" with an accent over the e (like this: é but I don't know whether it comes out in the mail). imc From imc Tue May 21 15:03:34 1996 Subject: Re: Spooky To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 15:03:34 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <9605211357.AA00696@booth66.ecs.ox.ac.uk> from "Ian.Collier@comlab.oxford.ac.uk" at May 21, 96 02:57:48 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 28 Lines: 3 Oh no I've been MIMEd! imc From bin@nvg.unit.no Tue May 21 15:38:46 1996 Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 15:36:34 +0000 (GMT) From: INSC4CGM@tay.ac.uk Subject: Re: Spectrum compatability chip... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-Id: <01I4Z0V4BFZS94H7NZ@tay.ac.uk> X-Vms-To: IN%"sam-users@nvg.unit.no" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 305 Lines: 12 A few weeks ago, Geoff and Chris mentioned the Gold Asics. The ones I had were framed with a little plaque signed by Bruce, whereas the originals were sent out with prototype machines. Just in case anyone's interested, I still have a couiple left which I can let go to any respectable party..... CM From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed May 22 13:05:44 1996 Date: 22 May 96 08:02:32 EDT From: Andrew Collier <100751.545@compuserve.com> To: Sam users Subject: Re: Spooky Message-Id: <960522120231_100751.545_GHV36-1@CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1636 Lines: 40 On 21/05/96, Ian Collier said: >I have (I think) 3.0. The little program says 19 and the initialisation >message says "MILES GORDON TECHNOLOGY PLC" and on the next line a >copyright symbol followed by "1990 SAM Coupe 512K" with an accent over the e Mine is exactly like this; so it looks like the ROM is not the problem. Also, on 20/05/96, Stefan Drissen asked: >Are you SURE that the copy of SAMpaint that you >are using works? Pretty certain. My working backup displays exactly the same problems as the actual, real, original version. > Have you tried it on another SAM? On my old one, before it became "operationally challenged" The replacement now has got the old 256K upgrade, the old disk drive, the old Rom chip and the old internal memory. Is there a lot else to have gone wrong? Why is no other program affected? If anyone else is going to the Haydock Park All Formats Fair a week on Saturday (and if I can get to it myself) I'll have a go running my copy of SamPaint on another Sam, probably Derek Morgan's. I really don't think this is the problem thoiugh since my original and working copy, stored in seperate boxes, are both affected in exactly the same way. >Have you tried hacking it? and not succeeded (***gna gna***) (that's what you get >for calling harddrive chatter pointless! :) ). Are you suggestting I'm a pirate?! Or merely that I got annoyed of having to find the manul every time I wanted to load the program? Eventually I took to writing the words and page numbers on the disk label... I ran out of room before I got them all of course, but I hardly ever need to load it more than twice! asc From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed May 22 13:38:33 1996 From: James R Curry Organization: Does anyone read this line? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 11:39:18 GMT Subject: FRED 68/69 X-Confirm-Reading-To: "James R Curry" X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Message-Id: <55054148E@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 610 Lines: 17 Allan Clarkson warbled - >Something about Fred being late, but I deleted the original message. Ohh.. Is it late? I left 68 at home and haven't had a chance to read it yet.. Is it good? -- +--------------------------------------------------------+ | The standard signature file.. | +---------------------+----------------+-----------------+ |From : James R Curry | Date : 22th May| hc1jc@dmu.ac.uk | +---------------------+----------------+-----------------+ | Ooh. A blank line to fill. | +--------------------------------------------------------+ From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed May 22 18:15:02 1996 From: Colin Anderton Organization: HSH, University of Nottingham To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 18:12:49 GMT0BST Subject: Re: FRED 68/69 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <311E75150E@hhn1.hughall.nottingham.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 344 Lines: 14 > Allan Clarkson warbled - > > >Something about Fred being late, but I deleted the original message. > > Ohh.. Is it late? I left 68 at home and haven't had a chance to read > it yet.. Is it good? IS IT GOOD??? HOW DARE YOU DOUBT THE AMAZINGNESS OF FRED. It's always the best, most entertaining read ever. From, An unbiased source From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed May 22 18:15:28 1996 From: Colin Anderton Organization: HSH, University of Nottingham To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 18:14:11 GMT0BST Subject: NOOOOOOOOOO Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <312415717E@hhn1.hughall.nottingham.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 119 Lines: 6 I just can't believe Shane is dead. How on earth will Angel cope??? And Dillon. Oh deary me. I'm so upset. Colin From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed May 22 22:27:22 1996 Posted-Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 23:26:25 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <31A32ED9.591D@pi.net> Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 17:12:25 +0200 From: Stefan Drissen Organization: SOLcorp X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Spooky References: <960522120231_100751.545_GHV36-1@CompuServe.COM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1341 Lines: 30 Andrew Collier wrote: > >Have you tried hacking it? and not succeeded (***gna gna***) (that's what you > get >for calling harddrive chatter pointless! :) ). > > Are you suggestting I'm a pirate?! Or merely that I got annoyed of having to > find the manul every time I wanted to load the program? Eventually I took to > writing the words and page numbers on the disk label... I ran out of room before > I got them all of course, but I hardly ever need to load it more than twice! What I'm suggesting is that you're not mental. Are you trying to tell me that you have not removed the protection (oooh, 2 seconds work) to make it more user friendly. No way that I can be stuffed getting out the manual each time I want to use SAMpaint! -- Stefan Drissen _____ ___ _ ___ ______ ___ ____ / _// \| | /\ | \ | _/ | /\ | \ _/ aka \_ \| || |__ / \| / | _|| |__ / \| / _| of ENTROPY /____/\___/\____\____\_|_\ |_| \____\____\_|_\___\ / \ / Email: drissen@pi.net http://www.pi.net/~drissen \ / Zevende Herven 6,5232 JZ 's-HERTOGENBOSCH,The Netherlands \ / telephone: +31-73-6414969 \ --------------------------------------------------------------- From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu May 23 07:10:25 1996 Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 06:03:59 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <15303@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: NOOOOOOOOOO X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 410 Lines: 20 In message <312415717E@hhn1.hughall.nottingham.ac.uk> Colin Anderton writes: > I just can't believe Shane is dead. How on earth will Angel cope??? > And Dillon. Oh deary me. I'm so upset. > > Colin > > > Erm, what? I sometimes think I have woken up in an alternate universe!... But no, my SAM still corrupts discs on switch on so I must still be in the same one! :-) Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu May 23 19:02:58 1996 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 17:27:33 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Dean Liversidge Subject: NOOOOOOOOOO - - reset trashing In-Reply-To: <15303@bgserv.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (evaluation) Version 1.12 <3wboB6ZgcD1+LgNOrcQZgzIPap> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 900 Lines: 28 Brian Gaff Sam Dept. writes >> >Erm, what? >I sometimes think I have woken up in an alternate universe!... >But no, my SAM still corrupts discs on switch on so I must still >be in the same one! > >:-) Why don't you mod the reset button then Brian, I did, and it's never corrupted one uet, all i did was to put a couple of 555 timers on the reset line to hold the drive controler reset line on for the 6 or so clock pulses it states it requires in the data sheets. See ya Dean -- Dean Liversidge .__ . , Co-Sysop of Dalmation BBS | \ _.|._ _ _.-+-* _ ._ The First SAM Bulletin Board |__/(_]|[ | )(_] | |(_)[ ) Saturday 12:00pm till midnight. >>>>>>> +44 1744 614150 >>>>>> Sysop: Dave Whitmore Turnpike evaluation. For Turnpike information, mailto:info@turnpike.com From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu May 23 19:12:48 1996 Message-Id: <199605231918.TAA21029@mail.enterprise.net> X-Authentication-Warning: mail.enterprise.net: Host ppp137.enterprise.net didn't use HELO protocol From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave Whitmore) Subject: Spooky Date: 22 May 1996 22:00:37 References: <960522120231_100751.545_GHV36-1@CompuServe.COM> X-Newsreader: Spot 1.3/NetGate 1.1 Mime-Version: 1.1 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1164 Lines: 23 In a message of 22 May 96 Andrew Collier wrote: Hi Andrew, Sorry for butting in like this, but I've only recently joined this mailing list. A proper internet account, at last. Wahey! :) AC> If anyone else is going to the Haydock Park All Formats Fair a week on AC> Saturday (and if I can get to it myself) I'll have a go running my Will that be Saturday June 1st? I might be able to get there in the morning. All, For anyone who's interested (but I'm sure most people know?), I run Dalmation BBS for SAM users. It's on Saturdays 12 noon until 12 midnight. The message base is just teeming with life (ain't it Cookie:)) and it's open other times using a mail only config. We use QWK mail. I realise that a lot of you peeps in here are at college or uni and that you may not have access from home at weekends, so you're excused if that's the case. :) Some of you may remember me from my days with the SAM Adventure Club, or you might have met me at one of the Gloucester shows. Whatever, I'm glad to be here... at last! :) Bye _ |_)ave Sysop DALMATION BBS, 1ST4SAM, UK, 01744 614150 (/\)hitmore email - davewhitmore@enterprise.net From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu May 23 23:54:37 1996 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 19:33:39 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Adie Nunn Subject: Re: NOOOOOOOOOO In-Reply-To: <312415717E@hhn1.hughall.nottingham.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 1.12 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 389 Lines: 13 >I just can't believe Shane is dead. How on earth will Angel cope??? >And Dillon. Oh deary me. I'm so upset. Hey, this isn't the 'Home and Away' mailing-list! ;) (not that I ever watch the programme, of course) Bye bye, "Don't say you're easy on me - you're about as easy as a nuclear war!" adie@scooter.demon.co.uk Home of COCONUTS Supergrass 'zine, and BLIND YOUTH music 'zine From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri May 24 11:52:05 1996 Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 11:46:53 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <15350@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: NOOOOOOOOOO X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 725 Lines: 27 In message Adie Nunn writes: > > >I just can't believe Shane is dead. How on earth will Angel cope??? > >And Dillon. Oh deary me. I'm so upset. > > Hey, this isn't the 'Home and Away' mailing-list! ;) > > (not that I ever watch the programme, of course) > > > Bye bye, "Don't say you're easy on me - you're about as easy as a nuclear war!" > adie@scooter.demon.co.uk > Home of COCONUTS Supergrass 'zine, and BLIND YOUTH music 'zine > > No, its not a Turnpike test list either, but judging from the MIME thingies my editor is getting upset over, it may be very soon! Nothing against the writer of Turnpike, he write C{/M for the Speccy +3. Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri May 24 11:52:06 1996 Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 11:44:31 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <15349@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: NOOOOOOOOOO - - reset trashing X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 787 Lines: 29 In message Dean Liversidge writes: > Brian Gaff Sam Dept. writes > >> > >Erm, what? > >I sometimes think I have woken up in an alternate universe!... > >But no, my SAM still corrupts discs on switch on so I must still > >be in the same one! > > > >:-) > > Why don't you mod the reset button then Brian, I did, and it's never > corrupted one uet, all i did was to put a couple of 555 timers on the > reset line to hold the drive controler reset line on for the 6 or so > clock pulses it states it requires in the data sheets. > > See ya > Dean > > Turn that BLOODY MIME flag off.... Anyway, back on topic.. I would do the mod if I still had the eyesight. Strange it was never put in the original design really. Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From imc Fri May 24 11:55:13 1996 Subject: Re: NOOOOOOOOOO - - reset trashing To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 11:55:13 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <15349@bgserv.demon.co.uk> from "Brian Gaff Sam Dept." at May 24, 96 11:44:31 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 247 Lines: 8 On Fri, 24 May 1996 11:44:31 GMT, Brian Gaff Sam Dept. said: > Anyway, back on topic.. I would do the mod if I still had the > eyesight. Strange it was never put in the original design > really. Aye, that and a proper debounced NMI button. imc From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri May 24 11:56:36 1996 X-Warning: Assuming character set ISO 8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 12:57:18 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9605241057.AA05815@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: NOOOOOOOOOO - - reset trashing X-Sun-Charset: ISO-8859-1 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 219 Lines: 9 =20 > Turn that BLOODY MIME flag off.... >=20 No offense, but MIME is compulsory in e-mail messages that contains non ASCII characters like this one. If your reader can't handle MIME, get a new one. -Frode Tenneb=F8 From imc Fri May 24 12:05:47 1996 Subject: Re: NOOOOOOOOOO - - reset trashing To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 12:05:47 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <9605241057.AA05815@asmal.edh-net> from "Frode Tenneboe" at May 24, 96 12:57:18 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 717 Lines: 19 On Fri, 24 May 1996 12:57:18 +0200, Frode Tenneboe said: > No offense, but MIME is compulsory in e-mail messages that contains > non ASCII characters like this one. It's still slightly annoying though. This version of Elm doesn't really handle MIME gracefully (and neither does trn) because it just pipes the message through some awful non-paging MIME filter. (If MIME didn't insist on quoting the trailing spaces and truncating to 72 characters it might be slightly more palatable). (What would be much better is if people installed 8-bit-clean mailers instead of inventing all this MIME rubbish to patch it up). > -Frode Tenneb=F8 imc (who now has to extend this font in my mail window into an ISO one...) From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri May 24 12:33:42 1996 Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 13:33:40 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9605241133.AA05830@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: NOOOOOOOOOO - - reset trashing X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1066 Lines: 36 > On Fri, 24 May 1996 12:57:18 +0200, Frode Tenneboe said: > > No offense, but MIME is compulsory in e-mail messages that contains > > non ASCII characters like this one. > This is not a discussion that should go here, but: > It's still slightly annoying though. This version of Elm doesn't really > handle MIME gracefully (and neither does trn) because it just pipes the > message through some awful non-paging MIME filter. I know it is. I've been there. :) > > (If MIME didn't insist on quoting the trailing spaces and truncating to 72 > characters it might be slightly more palatable). I know nothing about truncation and trailing spaces - this must surely be your viewer? > > (What would be much better is if people installed 8-bit-clean mailers > instead of inventing all this MIME rubbish to patch it up). There are not enough characters for all the different languages in 8 bit. That's why ISO-8859-X. > imc > > (who now has to extend this font in my mail window into an ISO one...) Sorry :) -Frode using MIME only when necessary (I hope) From imc Fri May 24 12:45:44 1996 Subject: Re: NOOOOOOOOOO - - reset trashing To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 12:45:44 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <9605241133.AA05830@asmal.edh-net> from "Frode Tenneboe" at May 24, 96 01:33:40 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1447 Lines: 30 On Fri, 24 May 1996 13:33:40 +0200, Frode Tenneboe said: > This is not a discussion that should go here, but: > I know nothing about truncation and trailing spaces - this must surely > be your viewer? No, not the viewer. I mean the MIME quoting format which people without MIME viewers have to read. Also, when I reply to a MIME message it places a copy of the MIME-mangled version in my editor instead of translating it first. MIME thinks that I absolutely have to know where the trailing spaces are in your message, so it translates them into "=20" so that my viewer can change them back into spaces (funny that I can get by without it if you don't put any 8-bit characters in). It also breaks lines at something quite a lot less than 80 characters, placing an "=" at the break. > > (What would be much better is if people installed 8-bit-clean mailers > > instead of inventing all this MIME rubbish to patch it up). > There are not enough characters for all the different languages in > 8 bit. That's why ISO-8859-X. That's irrelevant because you can't get any more clean than 8-bit clean. For text you would just add a mail header saying what the character set is... just like what happens at the moment, in fact. (Anyway, I thought all European languages except Welsh were possible in 8859-1, and if not then why did they waste space on fraction symbols?) imc (who's writing a Sam text viewer with ISO 8859-1 character set :-) ) From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri May 24 13:31:12 1996 From: Colin Anderton Organization: HSH, University of Nottingham To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 12:50:00 GMT0BST Subject: Re: NOOOOOOOOOO - - reset trashing Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <5BBE4520AA@hhn1.hughall.nottingham.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 735 Lines: 21 > It's still slightly annoying though. This version of Elm doesn't really > handle MIME gracefully (and neither does trn) because it just pipes the > message through some awful non-paging MIME filter. > > (If MIME didn't insist on quoting the trailing spaces and truncating to 72 > characters it might be slightly more palatable). > > (What would be much better is if people installed 8-bit-clean mailers > instead of inventing all this MIME rubbish to patch it up). > > > -Frode Tenneb=F8 > imc > > (who now has to extend this font in my mail window into an ISO one...) It amazes me how you people can turn a simple comment about Home And Away into an in-depth discussion about computers. Blimey, you lot are wierd. Colin From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri May 24 14:02:07 1996 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 13:35:31 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Dean Liversidge Subject: Re: NOOOOOOOOOO - - reset trashing In-Reply-To: <9605241055.AA05820@boothp2.ecs.ox.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (evaluation) Version 1.12 <3wboB6ZgcD1+LgNOrcQZgzIPap> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1158 Lines: 33 >On Fri, 24 May 1996 11:44:31 GMT, Brian Gaff Sam Dept. said: >> Anyway, back on topic.. I would do the mod if I still had the >> eyesight. Strange it was never put in the original design >> really. > >Aye, that and a proper debounced NMI button. Yep, I agree, that should have been compulsory on both NMI and RESET, after all it was designed to use the NMI itself, so whats the point in filling the stack with loads of return addresses ?? They should have learned a few thing from the Plus D / Disciple days I'd have thought. I debounced both on mine, well their was 2 space NAND gates on my mod so I had to use them for somthing :) OH and sorry for the MIME Brian, I could have sworn i'd un-ticked the little devil :( See ya. -- Dean Liversidge .__ . , Co-Sysop of Dalmation BBS | \ _.|._ _ _.-+-* _ ._ The First SAM Bulletin Board |__/(_]|[ | )(_] | |(_)[ ) Saturday 12:00pm till midnight. >>>>>>> +44 1744 614150 >>>>>> Sysop: Dave Whitmore Turnpike evaluation. For Turnpike information, mailto:info@turnpike.com From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri May 24 14:13:02 1996 Message-Id: <31A5A71B.41C6@apache-atm.qub.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 14:10:03 +0200 From: Andrew Gallagher Organization: Queen's University Belfast X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b3 (X11; I; IRIX 5.3 IP22) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: NOOOOOOOOOO - - reset trashing References: <9605241145.AA06018@boothp2.ecs.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1100 Lines: 25 Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk wrote: > > On Fri, 24 May 1996 13:33:40 +0200, Frode Tenneboe said: > > There are not enough characters for all the different languages in > > 8 bit. That's why ISO-8859-X. > > That's irrelevant because you can't get any more clean than 8-bit clean. > For text you would just add a mail header saying what the character set > is... just like what happens at the moment, in fact. (Anyway, I thought > all European languages except Welsh were possible in 8859-1, and if not then > why did they waste space on fraction symbols?) > > imc (who's writing a Sam text viewer with ISO 8859-1 character set :-) ) There are about 6 different charsets in the ISO-8859-x series. ISO-8859-1 will code English, Gaelic, French, Spanish, Italian, German and the Nordic languages. For obscure stuff like Magyar or Czech, you need ISO-8859-2. Anyway, all that will soon becom irrelevant as UNICODE becomes standard in the next 5-10 years. I don't see how Welsh is impossible... it doesn't have any accents, does it? -- Eric the Witchdoctor -- http://boris.qub.ac.uk/andrew/ From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri May 24 14:13:02 1996 Message-Id: <31A5A71B.41C6@apache-atm.qub.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 14:10:03 +0200 From: Andrew Gallagher Organization: Queen's University Belfast X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b3 (X11; I; IRIX 5.3 IP22) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: NOOOOOOOOOO - - reset trashing References: <9605241145.AA06018@boothp2.ecs.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1100 Lines: 25 Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk wrote: > > On Fri, 24 May 1996 13:33:40 +0200, Frode Tenneboe said: > > There are not enough characters for all the different languages in > > 8 bit. That's why ISO-8859-X. > > That's irrelevant because you can't get any more clean than 8-bit clean. > For text you would just add a mail header saying what the character set > is... just like what happens at the moment, in fact. (Anyway, I thought > all European languages except Welsh were possible in 8859-1, and if not then > why did they waste space on fraction symbols?) > > imc (who's writing a Sam text viewer with ISO 8859-1 character set :-) ) There are about 6 different charsets in the ISO-8859-x series. ISO-8859-1 will code English, Gaelic, French, Spanish, Italian, German and the Nordic languages. For obscure stuff like Magyar or Czech, you need ISO-8859-2. Anyway, all that will soon becom irrelevant as UNICODE becomes standard in the next 5-10 years. I don't see how Welsh is impossible... it doesn't have any accents, does it? -- Eric the Witchdoctor -- http://boris.qub.ac.uk/andrew/ From imc Fri May 24 14:18:40 1996 Subject: Re: NOOOOOOOOOO - - reset trashing To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 14:18:40 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <31A5A71B.41C6@apache-atm.qub.ac.uk> from "Andrew Gallagher" at May 24, 96 02:10:03 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 355 Lines: 8 On Fri, 24 May 1996 14:10:03 +0200, Andrew Gallagher said: > I don't see how Welsh is impossible... it doesn't have any accents, does it? Yep - it can have (among other things) circumflexes on the w and y, which aren't in ISO 8859-1 (apparently because some British government agency forgot to ask the Welsh when these things were being decided!). imc From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri May 24 19:32:22 1996 Date: 24 May 96 14:28:28 EDT From: Ian Dalziel <100717.2266@compuserve.com> To: SAM-USERS Subject: Re: NOOOOOOOOOO - - rese Message-Id: <960524182827_100717.2266_EHU111-1@CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 192 Lines: 8 >> It amazes me how you people can turn a simple comment about Home And Away into an in-depth discussion about computers. << Er... Are computers off-topic for this mailing list, then? Ian From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri May 24 20:31:27 1996 Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 18:14:50 +0100 (BST) From: Si Owen To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: NOOOOOOOOOO - - reset trashing In-Reply-To: <9605241105.AA05868@boothp2.ecs.ox.ac.uk> Message-Id: Organisation: Wordcraft International Ltd. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 902 Lines: 21 On Fri, 24 May 1996 Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk wrote: > On Fri, 24 May 1996 12:57:18 +0200, Frode Tenneboe said: > > No offense, but MIME is compulsory in e-mail messages that contains > > non ASCII characters like this one. > > It's still slightly annoying though. This version of Elm doesn't really > handle MIME gracefully (and neither does trn) because it just pipes the > message through some awful non-paging MIME filter. Well set up the filter to pipe it through something nicer, like 'less'. I can't remember the setting to change, but it's in there somewhere! Si +------------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ | Si Owen | Email: si@obobo.demon.co.uk | | Wordcraft International Ltd, UK | Fax: +44-1332-295525 | +------------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri May 24 22:51:46 1996 Message-Id: <9605242150.AA21286@mars.cableol.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: mne2@cableol.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 22:53:01 +0000 Subject: Re: NOOOOOOOOOO - - reset trashing Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 617 Lines: 20 > On Fri, 24 May 1996 14:10:03 +0200, Andrew Gallagher said: > > I don't see how Welsh is impossible... it doesn't have any accents, does it? > > Yep - it can have (among other things) circumflexes on the w and y, which > aren't in ISO 8859-1 (apparently because some British government agency > forgot to ask the Welsh when these things were being decided!). > > imc > > Nobody cares about us Welsh!! Neil Maynard. +-------------------------------+ |Neil Maynard | |E-Mail: mne2@cableol.co.uk | +-------------------------------+ From bin@nvg.unit.no Sat May 25 10:02:11 1996 Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 09:57:06 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <15384@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: NOOOOOOOOOO - - reset trashing X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 285 Lines: 14 In message Dean Liversidge writes: > > Turnpike evaluation. For Turnpike information, mailto:info@turnpike.com > > I only get MIME on this list from TurnPike users. In fact I ONLY get ANY MIME from them! Grr.. Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From bin@nvg.unit.no Sat May 25 12:40:43 1996 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 11:24:55 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Dean Liversidge Subject: Re: NOOOOOOOOOO - - reset trashing In-Reply-To: <15384@bgserv.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (evaluation) Version 1.12 <3wboB6ZgcD1+LgNOrcQZgzIPap> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 875 Lines: 29 Brian Gaff Sam Dept. writes >In message Dean Liversidge writes: >> >> Turnpike evaluation. For Turnpike information, mailto:info@turnpike.com >> >> >I only get MIME on this list from TurnPike users. In fact I ONLY >get ANY MIME from them! Thats probably 'cos Turnpikes crap, but until i find summat better, it'll have to do. >Grr.. Hmmm, have you been fed recenlty Bri ??? ;) Don't tell me your still getting it ? -- Dean Liversidge .__ . , Co-Sysop of Dalmation BBS | \ _.|._ _ _.-+-* _ ._ The First SAM Bulletin Board |__/(_]|[ | )(_] | |(_)[ ) Saturday 12:00pm till midnight. >>>>>>> +44 1744 614150 >>>>>> Sysop: Dave Whitmore Turnpike evaluation. For information, see http://www.turnpike.com/ From bin@nvg.unit.no Sat May 25 17:41:16 1996 X-Warning: Assuming character set ISO 8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 18:42:29 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9605251642.AA02904@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: NOOOOOOOOOO - - reset trashing X-Sun-Charset: ISO-8859-1 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2335 Lines: 75 > On Fri, 24 May 1996 13:33:40 +0200, Frode Tenneboe said: > > This is not a discussion that should go here, but: >=20 > > I know nothing about truncation and trailing spaces - this must sur= ely > > be your viewer? >=20 > No, not the viewer. I mean the MIME quoting format which people with= out > MIME viewers have to read. Also, when I reply to a MIME message it p= laces > a copy of the MIME-mangled version in my editor instead of translatin= g it > first. >=20 > MIME thinks that I absolutely have to know where the trailing spaces = are > in your message, so it translates them into "=3D20" so that my viewer= can > change them back into spaces (funny that I can get by without it if y= ou > don't put any 8-bit characters in). It also breaks lines at somethin= g > quite a lot less than 80 characters, placing an "=3D" at the break. Ah - now I follow you. This is not MIME's fault - this has to do with QP. AFAIK, if you get these three letters mangled up with "=3D.= .": =F8=E6=E5 I'm wrong. :) Content Transfer Encoding can either be 8bit or quoted printable. I use 8bit and should work fine everywhere. If not, you have a broken reader. QP on the other hand is an ugly CTE allowed within MIME. It is also slightly client dependent. Read RFC1521 for further reference. >=20 > > > (What would be much better is if people installed 8-bit-clean mai= lers > > > instead of inventing all this MIME rubbish to patch it up). >=20 > > There are not enough characters for all the different languages in > > 8 bit. That's why ISO-8859-X. >=20 > That's irrelevant because you can't get any more clean than 8-bit cle= an. > For text you would just add a mail header saying what the character s= et > is... just like what happens at the moment, in fact. (Anyway, I tho= ught > all European languages except Welsh were possible in 8859-1, and if n= ot then > why did they waste space on fraction symbols?) 8859-1 Europe, Latin America 8859-2 Eastern Europe 8859-3 SE Europe/Esperanto/Maltese 8859-4 Scandinavia/Baltic (also in 8859-1) 8859-5 Cyrillic 8859-6 Arabic 8859-7 Greek 8859-8 Hebrew 8859-9 Latin5; as 8859-1, but Icelandic->Turkish 8859-10 Latin6; Lappish/Nordic(?)/Eskimo There are some paralell systems out there that's only 7 bits - remnants of old technology regures not always the perfect solution. -Frode From bin@nvg.unit.no Sat May 25 17:49:14 1996 Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 18:50:29 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9605251650.AA02908@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Spooky! X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 388 Lines: 13 > > To test my theory, I'd like at least two other people to run the following > > checksum calculating program on a SAM with a real v3.0 ROM (ie no deliberate > > changes like the Hominprom or whatever) and confirm the results. On mine, it > > gives 19. > > On xcoupe it gives 20. > > I'll try it at home and see... I got 19 there. This is strange. Allan - what so thy say? -Frodw From imc Sun May 26 12:48:28 1996 Subject: Re: NOOOOOOOOOO - - reset trashing To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 12:48:28 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <9605251642.AA02904@asmal.edh-net> from "Frode Tenneboe" at May 25, 96 06:42:29 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1271 Lines: 36 On Sat, 25 May 1996 18:42:29 +0200, Frode Tenneboe said: > X-Warning: Assuming character set ISO 8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 > Ah - now I follow you. This is not MIME's fault - this has to > do with QP. AFAIK, if you get these three letters mangled up with "=3D.= > .": > =F8=E6=E5 > I'm wrong. :) > Content Transfer Encoding can either be 8bit or quoted printable. > I use 8bit and should work fine everywhere. If not, you have a > broken reader. QP on the other hand is an ugly CTE allowed within > MIME. It is also slightly client dependent. Read RFC1521 for > further reference. You use 8-bit, eh? Is it possible to choose the content transfer encoding within elm? As far as I know it just goes off and does its own thing and "quoted printable"-izes everything that contains an 8-bit character. > 8859-3 SE Europe/Esperanto/Maltese ^^^^^^^^^ Now this is what I wonder about. If you are inventing an artificial universal language that's meant to be easy for everyone, why would you want to put in some strange letters that aren't even in the Western European character set? Why do we only have 8859-1 and 8859-8 on our X system? Seems rather a strange choice. imc From imc Sun May 26 13:03:19 1996 Subject: Re: NOOOOOOOOOO - - reset trashing To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 13:03:19 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <9605261148.AA07114@boothp2.ecs.ox.ac.uk> from "Ian.Collier@comlab.oxford.ac.uk" at May 26, 96 12:48:28 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 266 Lines: 8 On Sun, 26 May 1996 12:48:28 +0100 (BST), Ian.Collier@comlab.oxford.ac.uk said: > > 8859-3 SE Europe/Esperanto/Maltese > ^^^^^^^^^ Oops, my pointer seems to have gone astray (that's what you get for putting tab characters in your mail...). imc From bin@nvg.unit.no Mon May 27 08:03:02 1996 Path: esoftc.seuk.com!paul.walker From: paul walker Date: 26 May 96 01:25:53 +0000 Subject: Mime Message-Id: <12e_9605270802@seuk.com> Organization: SEUK, Guildford, UK In-Reply-To: 9605241057.AA05815@asmal.edh-net To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 450 Lines: 18 Hi ft@edh.ericsson.se, "Argh! I can't think of an intro!" screamed ft@edh.ericsson.se to paul walker... ft> No offense, but MIME is compulsory in e-mail messages that contains One question - WTF is Mime? :-/ Paul ... A spoonful of sugar helps any medicine go down. --- Tag-O-Matic V.10 (13378 Taglines) [Quoted: 34%] Registered to : Paul! --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 -- Standard disclaimer: My views are strictly my own. From imc Mon May 27 11:11:44 1996 Subject: Re: NOOOOOOOOOO - - reset trashing To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 27 May 1996 11:11:44 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Si Owen" at May 24, 96 06:14:50 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 650 Lines: 14 On Fri, 24 May 1996 18:14:50 +0100 (BST), Si Owen said: > On Fri, 24 May 1996 Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk wrote: > > It's still slightly annoying though. This version of Elm doesn't really > > handle MIME gracefully (and neither does trn) because it just pipes the > > message through some awful non-paging MIME filter. > Well set up the filter to pipe it through something nicer, like 'less'. I > can't remember the setting to change, but it's in there somewhere! My environment variable PAGER is already set to "less", and my elm pager is also set to "less". However, if a MIME message appears elm still doesn't put it through the pager. imc From bin@nvg.unit.no Mon May 27 19:07:17 1996 Date: Mon, 27 May 1996 19:01:35 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <15461@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Sam programming idea... X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 433 Lines: 34 Who would have thought that one little moan would have created so much completely incomprehensible discussion! I mean, how often do you WANT upper ascii in the stuff we duscuss here? All I asked was to keep it pure ascii to save messing about, thats all..... Any way.. This idea is a winner. Who is going to write the amazing.... Fantastic.... Eurovision Song Contest Simulator! Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From bin@nvg.unit.no Mon May 27 21:46:42 1996 Message-Id: <9605272045.AA06386@mars.cableol.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: mne2@cableol.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 27 May 1996 21:48:33 +0000 Subject: Re: Sam programming idea... Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 778 Lines: 33 > Who would have thought that one little moan would have created > so much completely incomprehensible discussion! I mean, how > often do you WANT upper ascii in the stuff we duscuss here? All > I asked was to keep it pure ascii to save messing about, thats > all..... > > > Any way.. This idea is a winner. Who is going to write the > amazing.... > > Fantastic.... > > Eurovision Song Contest Simulator! > > Brian > > -- > Brian Gaff Sam Dept. > > What a cool idea. Are Codemasters still around. They used to write all the simulator games for the speccy!! Neil Maynard +-------------------------------+ |Neil Maynard | |E-Mail: mne2@cableol.co.uk | +-------------------------------+ From bin@nvg.unit.no Tue May 28 00:19:17 1996 Date: 27 May 96 19:16:35 EDT From: Ian Dalziel <100717.2266@compuserve.com> To: SAM-USERS Subject: Sam programming idea... Message-Id: <960527231634_100717.2266_EHU72-1@CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 158 Lines: 5 >> Who is going to write the amazing....Eurovision Song Contest Simulator! << Hey man - I've written some total shite in my time - this is MY PROJECT! From bin@nvg.unit.no Tue May 28 11:41:02 1996 Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 12:41:50 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9605281041.AA07381@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: NOOOOOOOOOO - - reset trashing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1591 Lines: 47 > On Sat, 25 May 1996 18:42:29 +0200, Frode Tenneboe said: > > X-Warning: Assuming character set ISO 8859-1 > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE > > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > Ah - now I follow you. This is not MIME's fault - this has to > > do with QP. AFAIK, if you get these three letters mangled up with "=3D.= > > .": > > > =F8=E6=E5 > > > I'm wrong. :) > > > Content Transfer Encoding can either be 8bit or quoted printable. > > I use 8bit and should work fine everywhere. If not, you have a > > broken reader. QP on the other hand is an ugly CTE allowed within > > MIME. It is also slightly client dependent. Read RFC1521 for > > further reference. > > You use 8-bit, eh? Well, yes. At least that's what it looks like from here. Perhaps something goes wrong at your end? > > Is it possible to choose the content transfer encoding within elm? As far > as I know it just goes off and does its own thing and "quoted printable"-izes > everything that contains an 8-bit character. > > > 8859-3 SE Europe/Esperanto/Maltese > ^^^^^^^^^ > Now this is what I wonder about. If you are inventing an artificial > universal language that's meant to be easy for everyone, why would you > want to put in some strange letters that aren't even in the Western > European character set? A wild guess here, but...because South East Europe has different characters than Western Europe? > > Why do we only have 8859-1 and 8859-8 on our X system? Seems rather a strange > choice. Not if you have a lot of Jewish collegues. :) -Frode From bin@nvg.unit.no Tue May 28 11:46:13 1996 Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 12:47:20 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9605281047.AA07387@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam programming idea... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 516 Lines: 22 > Who would have thought that one little moan would have created > so much completely incomprehensible discussion! I mean, how > often do you WANT upper ascii in the stuff we duscuss here? All > I asked was to keep it pure ascii to save messing about, thats > all..... Upper ASCII? Well, I use ISO-8859-1 every day. :) > > > Any way.. This idea is a winner. Who is going to write the > amazing.... > > > Fantastic.... > > Eurovision Song Contest Simulator! Nice idea. Can I code the Gina G bit? :) -Frode From imc Tue May 28 11:55:55 1996 Subject: Re: NOOOOOOOOOO - - reset trashing To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 11:55:55 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <9605281041.AA07381@asmal.edh-net> from "Frode Tenneboe" at May 28, 96 12:41:50 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 915 Lines: 24 On Tue, 28 May 1996 12:41:50 +0200, Frode Tenneboe said: > Well, yes. At least that's what it looks like from here. Perhaps > something goes wrong at your end? Like what? Our mailer decides it doesn't like "8 bit" encoding and recodes it in QP?? > > > 8859-3 SE Europe/Esperanto/Maltese > > ^^^^^^^^^ > > Now this is what I wonder about. If you are inventing an artificial > > universal language that's meant to be easy for everyone, why would you > > want to put in some strange letters that aren't even in the Western > > European character set? > A wild guess here, but...because South East Europe has different > characters than Western Europe? As I mentioned later on, the pointer went wrong. I was actually pointing to Esperanto. The words "artificial universal language" might have been a little clue. (The pointer went wrong because this editor doesn't do tabs very well). imc From bin@nvg.unit.no Tue May 28 12:11:31 1996 X-Warning: Assuming character set ISO 8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 13:12:26 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9605281112.AA07429@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: NOOOOOOOOOO - - reset trashing X-Sun-Charset: ISO-8859-1 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1039 Lines: 34 > On Tue, 28 May 1996 12:41:50 +0200, Frode Tenneboe said: > > Well, yes. At least that's what it looks like from here. Perhaps > > something goes wrong at your end? >=20 > Like what? Our mailer decides it doesn't like "8 bit" encoding and r= ecodes > it in QP?? Soemthing like that. What do you get here now? =E6=F8=E5 >=20 > > > > 8859-3 SE Europe/Esperanto/Maltese > > > ^^^^^^^^^ > > > Now this is what I wonder about. If you are inventing an artific= ial > > > universal language that's meant to be easy for everyone, why woul= d you > > > want to put in some strange letters that aren't even in the Weste= rn > > > European character set? >=20 > > A wild guess here, but...because South East Europe has different > > characters than Western Europe? >=20 > As I mentioned later on, the pointer went wrong. I was actually poin= ting > to Esperanto. The words "artificial universal language" might have b= een a > little clue. Perhaps they added some greek letters? :) I know very little Esperanto. -Frode From imc Tue May 28 12:24:44 1996 Subject: Re: NOOOOOOOOOO - - reset trashing To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 12:24:44 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <9605281112.AA07429@asmal.edh-net> from "Frode Tenneboe" at May 28, 96 01:12:26 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 247 Lines: 7 On Tue, 28 May 1996 13:12:26 +0200, Frode Tenneboe said: > Soemthing like that. What do you get here now? =E6=F8=E5 Well elm puts it through the non-paging MIME filter and gives "ae oslash aring", but as you can see it is quoted printable. imc From bin@nvg.unit.no Tue May 28 12:39:00 1996 X-Warning: Assuming character set ISO 8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 13:39:56 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9605281139.AA07449@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: NOOOOOOOOOO - - reset trashing X-Sun-Charset: ISO-8859-1 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 516 Lines: 18 > On Tue, 28 May 1996 13:12:26 +0200, Frode Tenneboe said: > > Soemthing like that. What do you get here now? =3DE6=3DF8=3DE5 >=20 > Well elm puts it through the non-paging MIME filter and gives "ae osl= ash > aring", but as you can see it is quoted printable. Then I'm out of ideas, but my best guess is to look at your end. This is what is what I received from nvg as my own message. > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > X-Sun-Charset: ISO-8859-1 I've added a content type to this message. =E6=F8=E5 -Frode From bin@nvg.unit.no Tue May 28 13:55:24 1996 Message-Id: <31AAE94D.41C6@apache-atm.qub.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 13:53:49 +0200 From: Andrew Gallagher Organization: Queen's University Belfast X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b3 (X11; I; IRIX 5.3 IP22) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: NOOOOOOOOOO - - reset trashing References: <9605281041.AA07381@asmal.edh-net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 730 Lines: 19 Frode Tenneboe wrote: > > > 8859-3 SE Europe/Esperanto/Maltese > > ^^^^^^^^^ > > Now this is what I wonder about. If you are inventing an artificial > > universal language that's meant to be easy for everyone, why would you > > want to put in some strange letters that aren't even in the Western > > European character set? > > A wild guess here, but...because South East Europe has different > characters than Western Europe? There are ridiculous amounts of different characters used in SE Europe. Most of them are really weird accented consonants and stuff. I think 'SE Europe' means Romania, Albania and Former Yugoslavia in this case. -- Eric the Witchdoctor -- http://boris.qub.ac.uk/andrew/ From imc Wed May 29 15:46:45 1996 Subject: XCoupe To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 15:46:45 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 85 Lines: 4 So, Allan, have you released any more versions of Xcoupe since the initial one? imc From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed May 29 16:43:33 1996 Message-Id: <199605291541.RAA08326@dxmint.cern.ch> From: Allan Skillman Subject: Re: XCoupe To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 29 May 96 17:41:49 METDST In-Reply-To: <9605291446.AA02729@boothp2.ecs.ox.ac.uk>; from "Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk" at May 29, 96 3:46 pm Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1237 Lines: 38 Hello Ian (and all) > So, Allan, have you released any more versions of Xcoupe since the initial > one? Not so far. I have version 0.7 nearly ready (0.6 turned out to be an internal version ie full of bugs). Highlights include :- Support for MS-DOS/CP/M disks Automatic disk image type checking Scalable display size Better border support also A few bug fixes Quite a few code improvements and optimisations Pro-Dos still doesn't work under the xzx kernel (mist be some obscure flag problem) It should be out early next week (hopefully) regards Allan -- +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Now available! XCoupe, the one and only SAM Coupe emulator | | *** http//www.hep.ucl.ac.uk/~ajs/xcoupe *** | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ | Allan Skillman | "There are five flavours of resons, the | | HEPP Group | elementary particles of magic : up, down, | | University College London | sideways, sex-appeal and peppermint." | | Email : ajs@hep.ucl.ac.uk | - Terry Pratchett (Lords and Ladies) | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed May 29 19:08:40 1996 Message-Id: <9605291806.AA25315@mars.cableol.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: mne2@cableol.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 19:09:52 +0000 Subject: Re: XCoupe Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 887 Lines: 37 > Hello Ian (and all) > > So, Allan, have you released any more versions of Xcoupe since the initial > > one? > > Not so far. I have version 0.7 nearly ready (0.6 turned out to be an > internal version ie full of bugs). Highlights include :- > > Support for MS-DOS/CP/M disks > Automatic disk image type checking > Scalable display size > Better border support > > also > > A few bug fixes > Quite a few code improvements and optimisations > > Pro-Dos still doesn't work under the xzx kernel (mist be some obscure > flag problem) > > It should be out early next week (hopefully) > > regards > > Allan > Is there any news about an MS-DOS/MS-Windows version of XCoupe? Neil Maynard +-------------------------------+ |Neil Maynard | |E-Mail: mne2@cableol.co.uk | +-------------------------------+ From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed May 29 19:10:21 1996 From: James R Curry Organization: Does anyone read this line? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 19:11:39 GMT Subject: Re: Sam programming idea... Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Message-Id: Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 719 Lines: 27 > Any way.. This idea is a winner. Who is going to write the > amazing.... > > > Fantastic.... > > Eurovision Song Contest Simulator! > I was considering - 10 BEEP .1,INT(RND*40) 20 GOTO 10 But realised that it would surpass the quality of most of the songs entered in the real thing... ;) -- +--------------------------------------------------------+ | The standard signature file.. | +---------------------+----------------+-----------------+ |From : James R Curry | Date : 22th May| hc1jc@dmu.ac.uk | +---------------------+----------------+-----------------+ | Ooh. A blank line to fill. | +--------------------------------------------------------+ From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu May 30 00:32:06 1996 Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 00:30:59 +0100 (BST) From: Dave Handley To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: XCoupe In-Reply-To: <9605291806.AA25315@mars.cableol.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 369 Lines: 13 > Is there any news about an MS-DOS/MS-Windows version of XCoupe? OUCH! I can see another argument starting... :) I tried installing Linux the other day, it didn't like my hard disk...insisted that I removed my 'disk manager' program and wanted all 1 gig, not just a partition! Not a chance! An MS-DOS/Windows version would be nice...pretty please! =) DAVE ---- From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu May 30 07:16:27 1996 Path: esoftc.seuk.com!paul.walker From: paul walker Date: 29 May 96 21:24:16 +0000 Subject: Re: Spooky Message-Id: <185_9605300713@seuk.com> Organization: SEUK, Guildford, UK In-Reply-To: 960520114258_100751.545_GHV60-1@CompuServe.COM To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 560 Lines: 22 [Results of 19, 20, and 1 from Andrew's prog!] AC> Let's just check this; these are all V3.0 and run SamPaint? This is Ah - don't know about SamPaint, as I don't have it. I was just checking the ROM for you. ;) >>my exams start next Tuesday >Same here. Looking forward to them? :-/ AC> erk. I'll take that as a no, shall I? :) Paul ... "Everyone lives by selling something." - R.L. Stevenson --- Tag-O-Matic V.10 (13071 Taglines) [Quoted: 47%] Registered to : Paul! --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 -- Standard disclaimer: My views are strictly my own. From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu May 30 07:20:56 1996 Path: esoftc.seuk.com!paul.walker From: paul walker Date: 29 May 96 22:28:47 +0000 Subject: Disk protection Message-Id: <187_9605300713@seuk.com> Organization: SEUK, Guildford, UK In-Reply-To: 960501163525_100606.175_BHL34-1@CompuServe.COM To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 400 Lines: 14 This is mostly directed at Chris White :), but does anyone have any good methods for protecting disks? (Chris because Prince... is the only disk I can think of that I can't copy!) Paul ... (beep) Help, I've fallen and can't reach the beer. --- Tag-O-Matic V.10 (13071 Taglines) [Quoted: 0%] Registered to : Paul! --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 -- Standard disclaimer: My views are strictly my own. From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu May 30 07:31:55 1996 Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 06:44:02 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <15539@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: XCoupe X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 69 Lines: 6 Vote 2 for MS Doc/Windoze version. Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu May 30 07:45:04 1996 Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 08:46:20 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9605300646.AA09470@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Disk protection Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 584 Lines: 15 > This is mostly directed at Chris White :), but does anyone have any good > methods for protecting disks? (Chris because Prince... is the only disk I can > think of that I can't copy!) I thought of one once - can't remember the exact details, but it involved formating tracks 0-80 (one more than normal yes) with sectors of variable length (128, 256, 512, 1024 bytes/sector) having the boot- sector (track 4, sector 0 ?) loading code at track 80 before doing anything else. Hmm...something like that anyway. :) Of course, it won't be impossible to hack - as everything. -Frode From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu May 30 07:45:58 1996 Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 08:47:12 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9605300647.AA09473@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: XCoupe Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 76 Lines: 6 > Vote 2 for MS Doc/Windoze version. Negative vote for ditto. :) -Frode From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu May 30 08:59:06 1996 Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 08:48 -0500 (EST) From: Young_Bob@corp.timeplex.com Subject: re: X Coupe To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-Id: <01I5AX564ULE8Y62BK@sys30.timeplex.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 49 Lines: 3 Vote three for a DOS/Windoze version :-). From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu May 30 09:26:59 1996 Message-Id: <199605300825.KAA25818@dxmint.cern.ch> From: Allan Skillman Subject: Re: XCoupe To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 30 May 96 10:25:52 METDST In-Reply-To: ; from "Dave Handley" at May 30, 96 12:30 (midnight) Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 858 Lines: 17 Actually - a DOS version may be easier than I thought - I've just found a version of GCC which will build MS-DOS images from Linux. Now all I need is the graphics library :) Allan -- +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Now available! XCoupe, the one and only SAM Coupe emulator | | *** http//www.hep.ucl.ac.uk/~ajs/xcoupe *** | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ | Allan Skillman | "There are five flavours of resons, the | | HEPP Group | elementary particles of magic : up, down, | | University College London | sideways, sex-appeal and peppermint." | | Email : ajs@hep.ucl.ac.uk | - Terry Pratchett (Lords and Ladies) | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu May 30 09:58:58 1996 Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 10:01:12 +0100 (BST) From: Daniel James Doore X-Sender: iq4d4385@jaffle-fddi To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Mime In-Reply-To: <9605281045.AA07384@asmal.edh-net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 586 Lines: 19 > > One question - WTF is Mime? :-/ > > Multipurpose Internet Mail Exchange. Not wanting to sound pedantic, but isn't it Extensions as opposed to Exchange? Dan. P.S. vote 4 for DOS/"Windoze" version of XCoupe - but who will be the first to post the immortal words "me too!" ;-) +========================================================================+ | Dan Doore - Ex-Head Pod and Dogsbody | D.J.Doore-iq4d4385@lmu.ac.uk | | WARNING!! Only read every so often, so you might have to wait a bit. | +========================================================================+ From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu May 30 11:18:45 1996 From: Rob Partington Message-Id: <199605301114.LAA00512@heffer.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Mime To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 11:14:36 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: from "Daniel James Doore" at May 30, 96 10:01:12 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 613 Lines: 19 Daniel James Doore wrote... > P.S. vote 4 for DOS/"Windoze" version of XCoupe - but who will be the > first to post the immortal words "me too!" ;-) Me too! [Actually, I don't want a Windoze version - I want a DOS (or SVGALIB) version - I can't run X (or Windoze) because I don't have a mouse and I only have 8MB of memory :-] -- Rob Partington - rjp@heffer.demon.co.uk - currently unemployed... Keywords: perl unix C tcl tk html linux acorn arm industrial www This message enhanced for elm and slrn Click [LINK] and don't forget to [ISMAP]! You are visitor #[INLINE]... From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu May 30 11:45:02 1996 From: tsp93ma@soton.ac.uk Message-Id: <199605301044.KAA04671@vision.soton.ac.uk> Subject: Xcoupe & MicroSoft Windows(tm) (was Re: Mime) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 11:44:00 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <199605301114.LAA00512@heffer.demon.co.uk> from "Rob Partington" at May 30, 96 11:14:36 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 592 Lines: 21 To quote Rob Partington: @/ > P.S. vote 4 for DOS/"Windoze" version of XCoupe - but who will be the @/ > first to post the immortal words "me too!" ;-) @/ [Actually, I don't want a Windoze version - I want a DOS (or SVGALIB) @/ version - I can't run X (or Windoze) because I don't have a mouse and @/ I only have 8MB of memory :-] How come driver doesn't need that much.... Hmmm, come on Allan, we want a version to run under Driver :) :) :) ....@/ -- Tim Paveley - Maths with Computer Science - University of Southampton Sam Coupe Web Pages: http://www.soton.ac.uk/~tsp93ma/Coupe/ From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu May 30 12:03:19 1996 From: James R Curry Organization: Does anyone read this line? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 12:04:16 GMT Subject: XCoupe Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Message-Id: Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1044 Lines: 24 > From: tsp93ma@soton.ac.uk > Subject: Xcoupe & MicroSoft Windows(tm) (was Re: Mime) > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 11:44:00 +0100 (BST) > Reply-to: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > To quote Rob Partington: > @/ > P.S. vote 4 for DOS/"Windoze" version of XCoupe - but who will be the > @/ > first to post the immortal words "me too!" ;-) > @/ [Actually, I don't want a Windoze version - I want a DOS (or SVGALIB) > @/ version - I can't run X (or Windoze) because I don't have a mouse and Vote XX (I can't remember what we're up to) for a Dos/Windoze version of Xcoupe. -- +--------------------------------------------------------+ | The standard signature file.. | +---------------------+----------------+-----------------+ |From : James R Curry | Date : 30th May| hc1jc@dmu.ac.uk | +---------------------+----------------+-----------------+ | Ooh. A blank line to fill. | +--------------------------------------------------------+ From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu May 30 12:34:00 1996 Message-Id: <199605301132.NAA15739@dxmint.cern.ch> From: Allan Skillman Subject: Re: XCoupe To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 30 May 96 13:32:39 METDST In-Reply-To: <199605301114.LAA00512@heffer.demon.co.uk>; from "Rob Partington" at May 30, 96 11:14 am Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1287 Lines: 24 > [Actually, I don't want a Windoze version - I want a DOS (or SVGALIB) > version - I can't run X (or Windoze) because I don't have a mouse and > I only have 8MB of memory :-] > 8Mb - Your lucky - I'm doing the developement of XCoupe with only 4MB! and I think a mouse costs about 10 pounds! But I would like to do an SVGAlib version - it would help with the DOS version. The only trouble is that SVGAlib doesn't support my NoteBooks SVGA chipset (Chips & Tech. 65540) above VGA mode and XCoupe needs and SVGA mode (640x480x256). Perhaps I should hack together a driver from the SVGA info in XFREE-86 Allan +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Now available! XCoupe, the one and only SAM Coupe emulator | | *** http//www.hep.ucl.ac.uk/~ajs/xcoupe *** | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ | Allan Skillman | "There are five flavours of resons, the | | HEPP Group | elementary particles of magic : up, down, | | University College London | sideways, sex-appeal and peppermint." | | Email : ajs@hep.ucl.ac.uk | - Terry Pratchett (Lords and Ladies) | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu May 30 12:40:26 1996 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: Edinburgh Uni (CS and MATHS) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 12:41:24 +0000 Subject: Re: XCoupe Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Message-Id: <14AE65630BA@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 201 Lines: 10 ... I've found an MS-DOS compiler called DJGPP - it comes with a decent graphics library, and is basically a version of GCC. Would that help, Allan? ;) daveee ps, vote, oooh, six for WINcoupe! --- From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu May 30 12:47:17 1996 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: Edinburgh Uni (CS and MATHS) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 12:46:05 +0000 Subject: Re: Disk protection Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Message-Id: <14AFA3F5190@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 579 Lines: 14 > This is mostly directed at Chris White :), but does anyone have any good > methods for protecting disks? (Chris because Prince... is the only disk I can > think of that I can't copy!) Eeerm, quite a good one is to format the disk with only the tracks you need, and, say, one or two other tracks elsewhere on the disk, leaving the others formatted. Then, once you've loaded what you need, some code could check these extra tracks are formatted, and that several (random?) other tracks are indeed unformatted. Didn't SAM STRIKES OUT et al. do something similar? daveee From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu May 30 12:47:30 1996 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: Edinburgh Uni (CS and MATHS) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 12:47:06 +0000 Subject: Re: Disk protection Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Message-Id: <14AFE786A5F@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 93 Lines: 6 Ooops - i meant, leaving the others UN formatted. Right, I'm off for a scoobysnack. davee From imc Thu May 30 12:51:58 1996 Subject: Re: Disk protection To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 12:51:58 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <14AFA3F5190@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> from "Dave Hooper" at May 30, 96 12:46:05 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 649 Lines: 13 On Thu, 30 May 1996 12:46:05 +0000, Dave Hooper said: > Eeerm, quite a good one is to format the disk with only the tracks > you need, and, say, one or two other tracks elsewhere on the disk, > leaving the others unformatted. If you do not need all 80 tracks for the game then you can of course put the unformatted tracks in the middle of the game. No need to check that the formatted tracks are formatted because the game wouldn't load otherwise. Make sure that checking the unformatted tracks is not the last thing you do because otherwise someone may be able to unformat the tracks on their copy just by pressing the reset button. :-) imc From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu May 30 12:58:55 1996 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: Edinburgh Uni (CS and MATHS) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 12:59:27 +0000 Subject: Re: Disk protection Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Message-Id: <14B337267AA@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1200 Lines: 26 Ian Collier quite correctly said: > On Thu, 30 May 1996 12:46:05 +0000, Dave Hooper said: > > Eeerm, quite a good one is to format the disk with only the tracks > > you need, and, say, one or two other tracks elsewhere on the disk, > > leaving the others unformatted. > > If you do not need all 80 tracks for the game then you can of course put > the unformatted tracks in the middle of the game. No need to check that > the formatted tracks are formatted because the game wouldn't load otherwise. Ha! Well spotted! ;) Actually, what I meant was that there were ADDITIONAL formatted tracks dotted around the disk... the occasional hacker is far more likely to know how to format from, say, tracks 0 to 60, than how to format a single track, say, 194. That's not to say that this would be much harder to hack, but still, it would be *slightly* harder. *correct me if I'm wrong!* > Make sure that checking the unformatted tracks is not the last thing you do > because otherwise someone may be able to unformat the tracks on their copy > just by pressing the reset button. :-) A question therefore ensues: can disk data be corrupted by pressing reset on a READ, or only on a WRITE? davee From imc Thu May 30 13:09:05 1996 Subject: Re: Disk protection To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 13:09:05 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <14B337267AA@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> from "Dave Hooper" at May 30, 96 12:59:27 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1067 Lines: 23 On Thu, 30 May 1996 12:59:27 +0000, Dave Hooper said: > Actually, what I meant was that there were ADDITIONAL formatted > tracks dotted around the disk... the occasional hacker is far more > likely to know how to format from, say, tracks 0 to 60, than how to > format a single track, say, 194. But I was suggesting that the game would be stored not on tracks 0-60, but for example on tracks 0-10, 12-23, 27-49, 51-75 and 82. > > Make sure that checking the unformatted tracks is not the last thing you do > > because otherwise someone may be able to unformat the tracks on their copy > > just by pressing the reset button. :-) > A question therefore ensues: can disk data be corrupted by pressing > reset on a READ, or only on a WRITE? It can be corrupted even when the disk is not moving, as far as I know. If checking the track is the last thing you do then you will leave the head over the track that needs to be unformatted so that the disk corruption will occur in the correct place. Andrew has actually done this to copy some program or other. imc From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu May 30 13:27:29 1996 Posted-Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 14:26:17 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <31AD90FF.2631@pi.net> Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 14:13:51 +0200 From: Stefan Drissen Organization: SOLcorp X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Disk protection References: <187_9605300713@seuk.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 933 Lines: 27 paul walker wrote: > > This is mostly directed at Chris White :), but does anyone have any good > methods for protecting disks? (Chris because Prince... is the only disk I can > think of that I can't copy!) Have you tried copying Sophistry (totally unintentional plug) then Paul? Or how about Parallax? Or Batz 'n Balls? > Paul -- Stefan Drissen _____ ___ _ ___ ______ ___ ____ / _// \| | /\ | \ | _/ | /\ | \ _/ aka \_ \| || |__ / \| / | _|| |__ / \| / _| of ENTROPY /____/\___/\____\____\_|_\ |_| \____\____\_|_\___\ / \ / Email: drissen@pi.net http://www.pi.net/~drissen \ / Zevende Herven 6,5232 JZ 's-HERTOGENBOSCH,The Netherlands \ / telephone: +31-73-6414969 \ --------------------------------------------------------------- From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu May 30 13:27:53 1996 Posted-Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 14:26:23 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <31AD91EF.49AE@pi.net> Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 14:17:51 +0200 From: Stefan Drissen Organization: SOLcorp X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: X Coupe References: <01I5AX564ULE8Y62BK@sys30.timeplex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 849 Lines: 24 Young_Bob@corp.timeplex.com wrote: > > Vote three for a DOS/Windoze version :-). Yet another vote for a Win95 version! (a normal Win or Dos version would be more than welcome though!!!) BTW Who is young Bob? It wouldn't be Bob B would it? -- Stefan Drissen _____ ___ _ ___ ______ ___ ____ / _// \| | /\ | \ | _/ | /\ | \ _/ aka \_ \| || |__ / \| / | _|| |__ / \| / _| of ENTROPY /____/\___/\____\____\_|_\ |_| \____\____\_|_\___\ / \ / Email: drissen@pi.net http://www.pi.net/~drissen \ / Zevende Herven 6,5232 JZ 's-HERTOGENBOSCH,The Netherlands \ / telephone: +31-73-6414969 \ --------------------------------------------------------------- From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu May 30 13:28:07 1996 Posted-Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 14:26:29 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <31AD92D9.43D9@pi.net> Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 14:21:45 +0200 From: Stefan Drissen Organization: SOLcorp X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Disk protection References: <9605301151.AA03609@boothp2.ecs.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1044 Lines: 27 Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk wrote: > Make sure that checking the unformatted tracks is not the last thing you do > because otherwise someone may be able to unformat the tracks on their copy > just by pressing the reset button. :-) That's a nice feature. Although aren't we all used to automatically checking the discdrive before we push that red button? Unless of course a nice little DPU is installed banishing any such troubles. > imc -- Stefan Drissen _____ ___ _ ___ ______ ___ ____ / _// \| | /\ | \ | _/ | /\ | \ _/ aka \_ \| || |__ / \| / | _|| |__ / \| / _| of ENTROPY /____/\___/\____\____\_|_\ |_| \____\____\_|_\___\ / \ / Email: drissen@pi.net http://www.pi.net/~drissen \ / Zevende Herven 6,5232 JZ 's-HERTOGENBOSCH,The Netherlands \ / telephone: +31-73-6414969 \ --------------------------------------------------------------- From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu May 30 13:28:23 1996 Posted-Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 14:26:36 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <31AD93E0.3728@pi.net> Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 14:26:08 +0200 From: Stefan Drissen Organization: SOLcorp X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: FDC behaviour (Disk protection) References: <14B337267AA@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1434 Lines: 34 Dave Hooper wrote: > A question therefore ensues: can disk data be corrupted by pressing > reset on a READ, or only on a WRITE? As far as I know, it doesn't matter what the disc is doing. When you push the reset button the clock signal is temporarily cut off from the floppy disccontroller (or the other way round). According to the datasheets, if the FDC is not getting a clock signal its behaviour is said to be undefined. This means that it could just decide to harmlessly do nothing or step the head in or out, but it could also decide to do a write track command. Edwin Blink's DPU (disc protector unit) is a nice little gadget that you can attach to your SAM's board which will ensure that the clock signal is maintained during a reset. Steve's Software should be able to supply the DPU for 15 pounds. > davee -- Stefan Drissen _____ ___ _ ___ ______ ___ ____ / _// \| | /\ | \ | _/ | /\ | \ _/ aka \_ \| || |__ / \| / | _|| |__ / \| / _| of ENTROPY /____/\___/\____\____\_|_\ |_| \____\____\_|_\___\ / \ / Email: drissen@pi.net http://www.pi.net/~drissen \ / Zevende Herven 6,5232 JZ 's-HERTOGENBOSCH,The Netherlands \ / telephone: +31-73-6414969 \ --------------------------------------------------------------- From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu May 30 14:01:29 1996 Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 15:02:12 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9605301302.AA10451@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Mime Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 209 Lines: 11 > > > One question - WTF is Mime? :-/ > > > > Multipurpose Internet Mail Exchange. > > Not wanting to sound pedantic, but isn't it Extensions as opposed to > Exchange? Sorry. Of course Extension. -Frode From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu May 30 14:25:50 1996 Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 14:15:57 +0100 (BST) From: Si Owen To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: XCoupe In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Organisation: Wordcraft International Ltd. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 916 Lines: 26 On Thu, 30 May 1996, Dave Handley wrote: > I tried installing Linux the other day, it didn't like my hard > disk...insisted that I removed my 'disk manager' program and wanted all 1 > gig, not just a partition! Not a chance! Buy a motherboard that supports LBA and you won't need a 'disk manager'. Linux doesn't need a boot manager, but it requires some fiddling on non-LBA motherboards - check out EIDE.TXT. > An MS-DOS/Windows version would be nice...pretty please! =) A DOS version would be nice - can't see a Windows version appearing unless it's Direct X on Windows 95... l8r Si +------------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ | Si Owen | Email: si@obobo.demon.co.uk | | Wordcraft International Ltd, UK | Fax: +44-1332-295525 | +------------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu May 30 17:50:33 1996 Message-Id: From: geoffw@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Geoff Winkless) Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 17:48:28 +0100 In-Reply-To: 9531427 -- "Re: Disk protection" (May 30, 12:46pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Disk protection Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 840 Lines: 22 On May 30, 12:46pm in "Re: Disk protection", warbled: ] Eeerm, quite a good one is to format the disk with only the tracks ] you need, and, say, one or two other tracks elsewhere on the disk, ] leaving the others formatted. Then, once you've loaded what you need, ] some code could check these extra tracks are formatted, and that ] several (random?) other tracks are indeed unformatted. ] ] Didn't SAM STRIKES OUT et al. do something similar? Yeah. Quite a good one? It took me about 30 seconds to hack the code. All I did was change the start address of the code in the bloody directory. No code changes at all... I put together my own copy of all the enigma games on one disk. All the ones that would fit, anyway. They all used the same protection and they were all thus completely unprotected. Don't use that one. -- Geoff From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu May 30 21:25:13 1996 Date: 30 May 96 16:23:05 EDT From: Christopher White <100606.175@compuserve.com> To: HELLO Subject: Re: Disk protection Message-Id: <960530202305_100606.175_BHL59-1@CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 75 Lines: 5 The Only Problem Is If the computer can read it so can the hacker chris From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu May 30 21:25:41 1996 Date: 30 May 96 16:23:07 EDT From: Christopher White <100606.175@compuserve.com> To: HELLO Subject: Re: Disk protection Message-Id: <960530202307_100606.175_BHL59-2@CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 22 Lines: 3 Piece of Cake Matey From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu May 30 21:25:41 1996 Date: 30 May 96 16:23:10 EDT From: Christopher White <100606.175@compuserve.com> To: HELLO Subject: Re: XCoupe Message-Id: <960530202309_100606.175_BHL59-3@CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 23 Lines: 5 Working on It Chris From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu May 30 23:40:18 1996 Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 23:39:01 +0100 (BST) From: Dave Handley To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: XCoupe In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 536 Lines: 15 > Buy a motherboard that supports LBA and you won't need a 'disk manager'. > Linux doesn't need a boot manager, but it requires some fiddling on non-LBA > motherboards - check out EIDE.TXT. I did. The thing is, if I disable the disk manager, then enable the LBA will it keep everything on my drive or will I have to wipe everything? I don't like the idea of re-installing 1.5 gig of software!!! > A DOS version would be nice - can't see a Windows version appearing unless it's > Direct X on Windows 95... DOS is fine... :) DAVE From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri May 31 01:46:40 1996 From: Rob Partington Message-Id: <199605310146.BAA00767@heffer.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: XCoupe To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 01:46:04 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <199605301132.NAA15739@dxmint.cern.ch> from "Allan Skillman" at May 30, 96 01:32:39 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1219 Lines: 31 Allan Skillman wrote... > > > [Actually, I don't want a Windoze version - I want a DOS (or SVGALIB) > > version - I can't run X (or Windoze) because I don't have a mouse and > > I only have 8MB of memory :-] > > > 8Mb - Your lucky - I'm doing the developement of XCoupe with only 4MB! I ran Linux/XFree with 4MB for two days. Then went and bought another 4MB. > and I think a mouse costs about 10 pounds! I *have* a mouse - my dad nicked it. And atm I don't have 10 pounds to spare. > SVGAlib doesn't support my NoteBooks SVGA chipset (Chips & Tech. 65540) > above VGA mode and XCoupe needs and SVGA mode (640x480x256). Perhaps I > should hack together a driver from the SVGA info in XFREE-86 You'd think the SVGAlib people would talk to the XFree people and get the drivers shared between them - XFree is accelerated with my Stealth, but SVGAlib can't use the accelerator functions. :-( Any news about the Sam accelerator btw? -- Rob Partington - rjp@heffer.demon.co.uk - currently unemployed... Keywords: perl unix C tcl tk html linux acorn arm industrial www This message enhanced for elm and slrn Click [LINK] and don't forget to [ISMAP]! You are visitor #[INLINE]... From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri May 31 08:09:09 1996 Message-Id: <31AE95F9.4AB08C2D@RMnet.it> Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 08:47:21 +0200 From: "A.D.R." Organization: EuroCom Network Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b3 (X11; I; Linux 1.3.100 i486) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: XCoupe References: <199605291541.RAA08326@dxmint.cern.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 869 Lines: 28 Allan Skillman wrote: > > Not so far. I have version 0.7 nearly ready (0.6 turned out to be an > internal version ie full of bugs). Highlights include :- [...] > A few bug fixes > Quite a few code improvements and optimisations > > Pro-Dos still doesn't work under the xzx kernel (mist be some obscure > flag problem) > > It should be out early next week (hopefully) Hi Allan, please try to fix that problem with X and >256colors too, (if you haven't already) because it's quite a hassle to restart X in 256 color mode everytime I want to use XCoupe. Thanks a lot, _ (_ i a o, Arne +======================( Arne Di Russo )===========================+ | Roma, Italy (EU) - ar@RMnet.it - http://digiserve.com/ar/ | +==================================================================+ \....................> powered by LINUX <......................../ From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri May 31 08:10:03 1996 Message-Id: <9605310709.AA18788@mars.cableol.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: mne2@cableol.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 08:12:26 +0000 Subject: Re: XCoupe Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1312 Lines: 35 > > Buy a motherboard that supports LBA and you won't need a 'disk manager'. > > Linux doesn't need a boot manager, but it requires some fiddling on non-LBA > > motherboards - check out EIDE.TXT. > > I did. The thing is, if I disable the disk manager, then enable the LBA > will it keep everything on my drive or will I have to wipe everything? > I don't like the idea of re-installing 1.5 gig of software!!! > > > A DOS version would be nice - can't see a Windows version appearing unless it's > > Direct X on Windows 95... > > DOS is fine... :) > > DAVE > > I must admit that when i re-visited this topic i was not expecting such a respone. Assuming, Allan, that you now have a suitable compiler when will a dos version be ready to test ? I would very much like to see this as I currently have not used my Sam for a long time. If it were on my PC then I would use it a lot due to the fact that my PC is always setup and I don't have to mess around with the TV (and sit on the floor about 1 metre from the TV whilst using my Sam). This could be a major breakthough in Sam Emulation!! Neil Maynard. +-------------------------------+ |Neil Maynard | |E-Mail: mne2@cableol.co.uk | +-------------------------------+ From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri May 31 11:44:15 1996 Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 11:46:13 +0100 (BST) From: Daniel James Doore X-Sender: iq4d4385@jaffle-fddi To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: FDC behaviour (Disk protection) In-Reply-To: <31AD93E0.3728@pi.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 825 Lines: 22 > Edwin Blink's DPU (disc protector unit) is a nice little gadget that you > can attach to your SAM's board which will ensure that the clock signal > is maintained during a reset. Steve's Software should be able to > supply the DPU for 15 pounds. This has to be one of the best investments I've made, it's saved so many discs from certain doom it's untrue. It's dead easy to fit as well, just a few wires and a track cut and it even comes with a little sticky pad so it sits on the side od the ASIC. Superb. Dan. +========================================================================+ | Dan Doore - Ex-Head Pod and Dogsbody | D.J.Doore-iq4d4385@lmu.ac.uk | | WARNING!! Only read every so often, so you might have to wait a bit. | +========================================================================+ From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri May 31 11:52:05 1996 Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 11:53:41 +0100 (BST) From: Daniel James Doore X-Sender: iq4d4385@jaffle-fddi To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Disk protection In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 959 Lines: 32 > ] Didn't SAM STRIKES OUT et al. do something similar? > > Yeah. Quite a good one? It took me about 30 seconds to hack the code. > All I did was change the start address of the code in the bloody > directory. No code changes at all... > > I put together my own copy of all the enigma games on one disk. All the > ones that would fit, anyway. They all used the same protection and they > were all thus completely unprotected. Dan's Hacking Masterclass: 1. Escape from the Planet of the Robot Monsters Format a new disc. Insert game disc Type BACKUP "*" TO "*" or even COPY "*" TO "*" if you like Insert new disc Bingo! copy-a-rama! :)) Dan. +========================================================================+ | Dan Doore - Ex-Head Pod and Dogsbody | D.J.Doore-iq4d4385@lmu.ac.uk | | WARNING!! Only read every so often, so you might have to wait a bit. | +========================================================================+ From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri May 31 11:53:50 1996 Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 12:54:36 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9605311054.AA03670@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: FDC behaviour (Disk protection) X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 620 Lines: 16 > > Edwin Blink's DPU (disc protector unit) is a nice little gadget that you > > can attach to your SAM's board which will ensure that the clock signal > > is maintained during a reset. Steve's Software should be able to > > supply the DPU for 15 pounds. > > This has to be one of the best investments I've made, it's saved so many > discs from certain doom it's untrue. > > It's dead easy to fit as well, just a few wires and a track cut and it > even comes with a little sticky pad so it sits on the side od the ASIC. Uh! I have yet to burn any discs on my SAM. I'm just careful when I reset the box. -Frode From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri May 31 12:01:27 1996 Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 12:03:01 +0100 (BST) From: Daniel James Doore X-Sender: iq4d4385@jaffle-fddi To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: FDC behaviour (Disk protection) In-Reply-To: <9605311054.AA03670@asmal.edh-net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 853 Lines: 24 > > This has to be one of the best investments I've made, it's saved so many > > discs from certain doom it's untrue. > > > > It's dead easy to fit as well, just a few wires and a track cut and it > > even comes with a little sticky pad so it sits on the side od the ASIC. > > Uh! I have yet to burn any discs on my SAM. I'm just careful when I > reset the box. That's half the problem, hand moves for the small red button but brain isn't engaged. Some good things have come out of it though, It sucessfully trashed my copy of Flash! :) Dan. +========================================================================+ | Dan Doore - Ex-Head Pod and Dogsbody | D.J.Doore-iq4d4385@lmu.ac.uk | | WARNING!! Only read every so often, so you might have to wait a bit. | +========================================================================+ From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri May 31 14:51:32 1996 Message-Id: <9605310918.AA02153@dxmint.cern.ch> From: Allan Skillman Subject: Re: XCoupe To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 31 May 96 11:17:35 METDST In-Reply-To: <31AE95F9.4AB08C2D@RMnet.it>; from "A.D.R." at May 31, 96 8:47 am Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2268 Lines: 44 > please try to fix that problem with X and >256colors too, (if you > haven't already) because it's quite a hassle to restart X in > 256 color mode everytime I want to use XCoupe. > Thanks a lot, Hmm - I sorted out this problem - well I found out what was causing it anyway and you may be a little dissapointed. Due to the way X works with images (these are the only way to access a window directly ie the memory itself) using an 8-bit display is much much more efficient than trying to cope with a 16-bit or 32 bit one - let me see if I can explain When you reserve an image what you get back is a pointer to char (ie bytes) What you actually have to write to this image is in X terms called a pixel - this is a long int and is nothing more than the index for the colour map. On an 8-bit display everything is simple the pixel value is always between 0 and 255 so you can happily copy the pixel to the image (doing a cast to char) Now for > 8-bit displays everything would be great if you could garentee that all the 128 colourmap entries used by XCoupe were in the first 8-bits of the pixel - but you can't (well as far as I can see) :( So you are left with having to sort out nasty things like byte ordering in order to sort out the image. Checking for this sort of thing at run time is very time consuming so for the moment I've removed it from the code and now check for an 8-bit display at startup. I'll probably hard code the possible display types 8, 16 and 32 bit separately and make it a compile time option. Sorry about that - but it was in the interests of speed :) Allan +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Now available! XCoupe, the one and only SAM Coupe emulator | | *** http//www.hep.ucl.ac.uk/~ajs/xcoupe *** | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ | Allan Skillman | "There are five flavours of resons, the | | HEPP Group | elementary particles of magic : up, down, | | University College London | sideways, sex-appeal and peppermint." | | Email : ajs@hep.ucl.ac.uk | - Terry Pratchett (Lords and Ladies) | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri May 31 20:32:03 1996 Posted-Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 21:30:07 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <31AF47AC.7DED@pi.net> Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 21:25:32 +0200 From: Stefan Drissen Organization: SOLcorp X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: SAM users Subject: FRED 69 - it's early! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 5189 Lines: 107 Today FRED 69 arrived. This may not seem noteworthy, but this is actually the first Fred in a while which has acually landed on my doormap in the month that it is supposed to - so good work Colin! The opening is rather fabby, with a neat menu featuring rather cool music and a mode 3 scrolly with a very nice font. All this done by M/C-newcomer David Laundon. A. The editorial - Colin A. continues to amaze us with his intelligence as to converting stuff off the PC. This is not the only surprise that Colin has up his sleeve. He does however make a bit of a fool of himself by stating that there is NOTHING easier than copying a PC MOD onto a sam disc with KE-Disk and then running it through the MOD player on FRED 41. IF Colin had gone along and put his money where his mouth is (screen blanking built in - money? nah!) he would have known that the commercial version of the SAM MOD player reads the MODs directly off PC discs (no need for converting it first!) - so there is nothing easier than THAT. B. Letters. Unfortunately I seem to get that "YS standard reply" feeling when reading some of Colin's replies. Colin, could you please tackle some of the asked questions more seriously (the reply to the OAP was very good though!). Thanks to Mark Steele for mentioning the greatness of the SAM MOD player. C. Screen$ - some very nice converted screens/originals by Robert van der Veeke, pity that I'd already seen them all though. :( D. Cat 1 - a rather enjoyable Gamesmaster game, the game itself is rather nicely polished. The intro however - bleugh. Not to mention the fact that Roger Hartley gets the credit for the music - when everybody knows that he nicked my tune! (so that's an extra point for the Fantasy FRED League for everybody with me in the team!) E. Fantasy FRED League - Colin A. surprises us all again and shows us that he can actually program! The program looks very very neat, it has a nice look to it. The programming is nicely structured too, consisting of lots of procedures. One little niggle though Colin, when viewing a team, when you press a key you automatically jump to the next team listing page. I would prefer to return to the screen where I selected the team to view. F. Prophex - a slidey puzzle with a stereogram. I'm sorry but I don't seem to be able to understand these things. As far as I can see it you end up shifting just about identical blocks about - very pointless! The other item should be very useful for the Gamesmaster game writers - it allows E-Tunes to be used during the game! G. Gunner - another game by the author of Cat-1 (Diggory Gray). This one allows you to shoot planes and birds with a cannon - quite amusing, but not as good as Cat-1. H. "The" Show Report - Instead of interviewing someone, Colin reckoned he could get away with saying that a show report was an interview of lots of people at the same time - funny that he only mentioned what was going on then. Ooops, he sort of interviewed Derek Morgan though: - Derek: I'll kill you Colin! - Colin: Later Derek, later. Then Colin goes on and lies about facts he knows nothing about, how can you tell a tale if you weren't there? Looking forward to Stewart Skardon's show report - which might be more real, next month. I. E-Tunes features that totally fabbo Sean Bernard with some more excellent tunes with some more innovative sounds. In my humble view this has got to be the new Andy Monk! J. Mini-Jelly - no maxi-jelly today 'cos Matt Rounds off doing some graphics work for Digital Addiction and Graham's probably playing with his playstation. So Mark Steele explains how to run a party, hmmmm, vomit in your video recorder? K. C Demos, two simple little demos written in SAM C - if Bob saw these then he would have a real reason to condone demo coders! L. Modules - two modules this month, Sad and Settler, funnily enough Settler is very sad and Sad seems to have been written by Stewart Skardon and isn't too bad (pity he seemed to think that the mod standard used decimal volume values... the range is &00-&3F!) M. The good ol' standard Format advert - still going strong on 2700+ readers.... N. Bits 'n Bobs - Allan C does some amazing programming with an etch- a-sketch program - beats SAMpaint hands down! ;) Right, that's enough of that. Looking forward to some other overdue mags.... -- Stefan Drissen _____ ___ _ ___ ______ ___ ____ / _// \| | /\ | \ | _/ | /\ | \ _/ aka \_ \| || |__ / \| / | _|| |__ / \| / _| of ENTROPY /____/\___/\____\____\_|_\ |_| \____\____\_|_\___\ / \ / Email: drissen@pi.net http://www.pi.net/~drissen \ / Zevende Herven 6,5232 JZ 's-HERTOGENBOSCH,The Netherlands \ / telephone: +31-73-6414969 \ ---------------------------------------------------------------