From bin@nvg.unit.no Sat Jun 1 07:47:52 1996 Date: Sat, 01 Jun 1996 07:05:39 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <15623@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: XCoupe X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 409 Lines: 11 The whole point of an MS DOS version is that ANYONE can use it without having to compile the code for their system. This may mean that a limited support of 16 colour systems will be needed if Windows is the mode chosen. I think that is why DOS would be better, the modes would be easier to do. Many of us have to run Windows in 16 col for speed and other software reasons... Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From bin@nvg.unit.no Sun Jun 2 11:56:31 1996 Message-Id: <199606021202.MAA22793@mail.enterprise.net> X-Authentication-Warning: mail.enterprise.net: Host ppp391.enterprise.net didn't use HELO protocol From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave Whitmore) Subject: SAM > Amiga Date: 02 Jun 1996 11:23:16 X-Newsreader: Spot 1.3/NetGate 1.1 Mime-Version: 1.1 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1708 Lines: 27 Hi, Have any SAM users here also got an Amiga? If you haven't then you may not want to read the rest of the message. I'm asking because I've just got hold of an interesting little program from a guy in New Zealand that reads a SAM disk to a couple of Amiga files (1 for each side). It all stems from a Spectrum emulator that he was developing a while ago. I noticed that he had included a utility called ReadPlusd. This could read a PlusD or SAM disk to take a snapshot and convert it into a file to play on an emulator. Simply put a SAM disk into the Amiga'a drive and type ReadPlusd D N - where D=floppy unit and N= file number, followed by the filename of what you wanted the grab to be called. If you didn't specify the file number it would return a directory of the SAM/PlusD disk. This was very useful, but I wanted to grab all types of file and the version supplied would only look at Snapshot files. So I contacted the author, gave him a list of the SAM & PlusD filetypes and asked him to fix it to read any type of file. He sent me the modified version soon after. :) Just recently, after getting my internet account I contacted the programmer again and asked him to write me a routine to read in complete SAM disks, a side at a time. I wanted to do this mainly because of my involvment with Dalmation BBS. I got the result of my request this morning and I'm pleased to say DumpPlusD is nice, fast and works fine. :)) If this is wasting bandwidth in this echo(?) and people would like to discuss this further with me, then please email me. Bye, _ |_)ave (/\)hitmore email - davewhitmore@enterprise.net Sysop, Dalmation BBS From bin@nvg.unit.no Sun Jun 2 15:49:15 1996 Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 15:42:16 +0100 (BST) From: Si Owen To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SAM > Amiga In-Reply-To: <199606021202.MAA22793@mail.enterprise.net> Message-Id: Organisation: Wordcraft International Ltd. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 911 Lines: 23 On 2 Jun 1996, Dave Whitmore wrote: > Have any SAM users here also got an Amiga? > > If you haven't then you may not want to read the rest of the message. > > I'm asking because I've just got hold of an interesting little program from > a guy in New Zealand that reads a SAM disk to a couple of Amiga files (1 for > each side). I *had* both a couple of years ago, and wrote a program that read Sam disks using the MessyDOS code. It read snapshots into .sna files, other file types into plain data filesI've probably reused all my Amiga disks now, so the code is probably gone :-( Si +------------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ | Si Owen | Email: si@obobo.demon.co.uk | | Wordcraft International Ltd, UK | Fax: +44-1332-295525 | +------------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ From bin@nvg.unit.no Sun Jun 2 17:27:48 1996 Message-Id: <199606021734.RAA07566@mail.enterprise.net> X-Authentication-Warning: mail.enterprise.net: Host ppp386.enterprise.net didn't use HELO protocol From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave Whitmore) Subject: SAM > Amiga Date: 02 Jun 1996 17:18:36 References: X-Newsreader: Spot 1.3/NetGate 1.1 Mime-Version: 1.1 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1213 Lines: 25 In a message of 02 Jun 96 Si Owen wrote to me: Hi Si, >> from a guy in New Zealand that reads a SAM disk to a couple of Amiga >> files (1 for each side). SO> I *had* both a couple of years ago, and wrote a program that read Sam SO> disks using the MessyDOS code. It read snapshots into .sna files, other This one uses the messydisk.device and is written with modular 2. I forgot to mention, the archive also has the source, if anyone is interested? SO> file types into plain data filesI've probably reused all my Amiga disks SO> now, so the code is probably gone :-( That's a shame. Didn't you pass your program on to someone who might still have a copy? What do you reckon the chances are of someone writing a routine using messydos or similar that could write to a preformatted SAMDOS disk? What I'm after is a prog to dump the tracks on to the disk. I'm not so much bothered about files ATM. I used to have a disk with all sorts of info about messydos, but I can't find it anywhere. With stuff like DOS drivers (CrossDOS) on modern Amiga (systems 2.0+), it'd probably be possible to create a SAM disk read/write driver.. Bye, _ |_)ave (/\)hitmore email - davewhitmore@enterprise.net From bin@nvg.unit.no Sun Jun 2 21:29:48 1996 Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 20:04:34 +0100 (BST) From: Si Owen To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SAM > Amiga In-Reply-To: <199606021734.RAA07566@mail.enterprise.net> Message-Id: Organisation: Wordcraft International Ltd. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1844 Lines: 45 On 2 Jun 1996, Dave Whitmore wrote: > SO> I *had* both a couple of years ago, and wrote a program that read Sam > SO> disks using the MessyDOS code. It read snapshots into .sna files, other > > This one uses the messydisk.device and is written with modular 2. I forgot to > mention, the archive also has the source, if anyone is interested? Modula 2 is a blast from the past... mine was just C :-) > SO> file types into plain data filesI've probably reused all my Amiga disks > SO> now, so the code is probably gone :-( > > That's a shame. Didn't you pass your program on to someone who might still > have a copy? Back in them days I had very few Sam contacts, and kept it to myself! I'll have a look around just in case it's still archived somewhere. > What do you reckon the chances are of someone writing a routine using > messydos or similar that could write to a preformatted SAMDOS disk? What I'm > after is a prog to dump the tracks on to the disk. I'm not so much bothered > about files ATM. Should be quite straight forward - I forget the details, but should just be a nested 'for' loop with write calls! > I used to have a disk with all sorts of info about messydos, but I can't find > it anywhere. With stuff like DOS drivers (CrossDOS) on modern Amiga (systems > 2.0+), it'd probably be possible to create a SAM disk read/write driver.. You should be able to find other programs around that use messydos in a similar sort of way. I 'borrowed' portions of some of them when writing mine! Si +------------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ | Si Owen | Email: si@obobo.demon.co.uk | | Wordcraft International Ltd, UK | Fax: +44-1332-295525 | +------------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ From bin@nvg.unit.no Mon Jun 3 09:22:49 1996 Message-Id: <199606030821.KAA01988@dxmint.cern.ch> From: Allan Skillman Subject: Re: XCoupe To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 3 Jun 96 10:21:48 METDST In-Reply-To: <15623@bgserv.demon.co.uk>; from "Brian Gaff Sam Dept." at Jun 01, 96 7:05 am Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1664 Lines: 40 > > The whole point of an MS DOS version is that ANYONE can use it > without having to compile the code for their system. Actually this is true for Linux as well (apart from teh fact that you have to have Linux on your machine) > This may > mean that a limited support of 16 colour systems will be needed > if Windows is the mode chosen. I think that is why DOS would be > better, the modes would be easier to do. Many of us have to run > Windows in 16 col for speed and other software reasons... > I can't see any possible reason why you would want a windows version of the emulator - using VGA graphics directly will always be faster (and 256 colours always possible). If I get a version coded using gcc on Linux (for DOS that is) it will be a 32 bit application anyway. regards Allan BTW - late breaking news :- I started playing around with Linux console graphics (svgalib) this weekend. Looks like its not going to be too hard to put together a non-X version of xcoupe :) -- +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Now available! XCoupe, the one and only SAM Coupe emulator | | *** http//www.hep.ucl.ac.uk/~ajs/xcoupe *** | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ | Allan Skillman | "There are five flavours of resons, the | | HEPP Group | elementary particles of magic : up, down, | | University College London | sideways, sex-appeal and peppermint." | | Email : ajs@hep.ucl.ac.uk | - Terry Pratchett (Lords and Ladies) | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ From bin@nvg.unit.no Mon Jun 3 12:37:06 1996 From: MR DJ GRAY Organization: The University of Birmingham To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 11:47:17 GMT Subject: My SAM's graphics are broken... Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) Message-Id: <104C9A625DB@novell3.bham.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 444 Lines: 15 After fiddling with a BBC type monitor ( don't do this at home kids! ) I managed to fry part of my SAM. I only found out that my SAM's graphics did not work proparly - when I connected my SAM to a TV when I went home last week. The picture is very hard to tune to ( the sound is OK ), and it is quite fuzzy - generally unclear. I think I need to replace my graphics chip - it looks like its been a little heated up... Yawn... Diggory From bin@nvg.unit.no Mon Jun 3 14:13:49 1996 Message-Id: <31B2CE95.239249E7@RMnet.it> Date: Mon, 03 Jun 1996 13:37:58 +0200 From: "A.D.R." Organization: EuroCom Network Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b3 (X11; I; Linux 1.3.100 i486) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: XCoupe References: <199606030821.KAA01988@dxmint.cern.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1121 Lines: 27 Hi Allan, > I'll probably hard code the possible display types 8, 16 and 32 > bit separately and make it a compile time option. Well this should be fine, thanks, I'm looking forward to that. > BTW - late breaking news :- I started playing around with Linux console > graphics (svgalib) this weekend. Looks like its not going to be too hard to > put together a non-X version of xcoupe :) This would be very good too, considering that svgalib requires less system RAM and it should be faster too, then the X version. It makes a DOS version much less important too, as plain Linux (without X) should be very easy to install on almost every PC (starting from the 386SX and 4MB RAM) and such an installation doesn't need more than 20MB of HD space. Using the UMSDOS file system there is even no need to repartition the HD... _ (_ i a o, Arne +======================( Arne Di Russo )===========================+ | Roma, Italy (EU) - ar@RMnet.it - http://digiserve.com/ar/ | +==================================================================+ \....................> powered by LINUX <......................../ From bin@nvg.unit.no Mon Jun 3 15:28:33 1996 From: James R Curry Organization: Does anyone read this line? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 15:30:12 GMT Subject: Re: XCoupe X-Confirm-Reading-To: "James R Curry" X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Message-Id: <127321A0B46@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1049 Lines: 25 > This would be very good too, considering that svgalib requires less > system RAM and it should be faster too, then the X version. > It makes a DOS version much less important too, as plain Linux (without X) > should be very easy to install on almost every PC (starting from the 386SX > and 4MB RAM) and such an installation doesn't need more than 20MB > of HD space. Using the UMSDOS file system there is even no need to > repartition the HD... No, a DOS version is very important. I'd like to run Xcoupe at university. The computing staff would not be best pleased if I installed a 20MB operating system on their machines. -- +--------------------------------------------------------+ | The standard signature file.. | +---------------------+----------------+-----------------+ |From : James R Curry | Date : 31th May| hc1jc@dmu.ac.uk | +---------------------+----------------+-----------------+ | Ooh. A blank line to fill. | +--------------------------------------------------------+ From imc Mon Jun 3 17:10:52 1996 Subject: Re: FRED 69 - it's early! To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 17:10:52 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <31AF47AC.7DED@pi.net> from "Stefan Drissen" at May 31, 96 09:25:32 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 497 Lines: 14 On Fri, 31 May 1996 21:25:32 +0200, Stefan Drissen said: > E. Fantasy FRED League - Colin A. surprises us all again and shows us > that he can actually program! Which is irrelevant as no one had him on their team. :-) :-) BTW, could someone remind me how long FFL lasts? > K. C Demos, two simple little demos written in SAM C - if Bob saw these > then he would have a real reason to condone demo coders! ^^^^^^^ Huh? What do you mean? imc From imc Mon Jun 3 17:51:45 1996 Subject: Re: SAM > Amiga To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 17:51:45 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <199606021734.RAA07566@mail.enterprise.net> from "Dave Whitmore" at Jun 2, 96 05:18:36 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 644 Lines: 15 On 02 Jun 1996 17:18:36, Dave Whitmore said [reformatted - please search on your keyboard for a key marked "Return" and use it more often]: > What do you reckon the chances are of someone writing a routine using > messydos or similar that could write to a preformatted SAMDOS disk? > What I'm after is a prog to dump the tracks on to the disk. I'm not > so much bothered about files ATM. If you find one of those then you can of course manipulate the files using samtools because it works on disk image files. :-) I'm about to release a "samformat" command, btw, because I figured out how to send FDC commands to the Sun disk drive... imc From imc Mon Jun 3 17:57:38 1996 Subject: Re: My SAM's graphics are broken... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 17:57:38 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <104C9A625DB@novell3.bham.ac.uk> from "MR DJ GRAY" at Jun 3, 96 11:47:17 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 626 Lines: 14 On Mon, 3 Jun 1996 11:47:17 GMT, MR DJ GRAY said: > After fiddling with a BBC type monitor ( don't do this at home > kids! ) I managed to fry part of my SAM. I only found out that > my SAM's graphics did not work proparly - when I connected my > SAM to a TV when I went home last week. > The picture is very hard to tune to ( the sound is OK ), and it > is quite fuzzy - generally unclear. How can it be the graphics chip if it works on your monitor? Sounds like the modulator is acting up or the connection between the Sam and the modulator is flakey. Is there a transistor in this pathway that could have gone? imc From bin@nvg.unit.no Mon Jun 3 19:49:55 1996 Subject: Re: My SAM's graphics are broken... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 19:48:15 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <9606031657.AA01143@booth6.ecs.ox.ac.uk> from "Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk" at Jun 3, 96 05:57:39 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <96Jun3.204914+0100met_dst.62548-126+72@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 458 Lines: 12 > On Mon, 3 Jun 1996 11:47:17 GMT, MR DJ GRAY said: > How can it be the graphics chip if it works on your monitor? Sounds > like the modulator is acting up or the connection between the Sam and > the modulator is flakey. Is there a transistor in this pathway that > could have gone? Could have blown the MC1377P still though; its main purpose in life is to create composite video; most monitors work directly off the RGB outputs from the ASIC. Simon From bin@nvg.unit.no Mon Jun 3 21:49:30 1996 Posted-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 22:47:41 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <31B31893.2CC1@pi.net> Date: Mon, 03 Jun 1996 18:53:39 +0200 From: Stefan Drissen Organization: SOLcorp X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: My SAM's graphics are broken... References: <104C9A625DB@novell3.bham.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 918 Lines: 28 MR DJ GRAY wrote: > I think I need to replace my graphics chip - it looks like its > been a little heated up... I hope that it was the graphics chip and not your ASIC that blew up. Since the ASIC is connected directly to the scart port it is very easy to blow up by doing something wrong. > Yawn... > > Diggory -- Stefan Drissen _____ ___ _ ___ ______ ___ ____ / _// \| | /\ | \ | _/ | /\ | \ _/ aka \_ \| || |__ / \| / | _|| |__ / \| / _| of ENTROPY /____/\___/\____\____\_|_\ |_| \____\____\_|_\___\ / \ / Email: drissen@pi.net http://www.pi.net/~drissen \ / Zevende Herven 6,5232 JZ 's-HERTOGENBOSCH,The Netherlands \ / telephone: +31-73-6414969 \ --------------------------------------------------------------- From bin@nvg.unit.no Mon Jun 3 22:54:47 1996 Message-Id: <9606032153.AA26050@mars.cableol.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: mne2@cableol.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 22:56:45 +0000 Subject: Re: XCoupe Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 908 Lines: 25 > > This would be very good too, considering that svgalib requires less > > system RAM and it should be faster too, then the X version. > > It makes a DOS version much less important too, as plain Linux (without X) > > should be very easy to install on almost every PC (starting from the 386SX > > and 4MB RAM) and such an installation doesn't need more than 20MB > > of HD space. Using the UMSDOS file system there is even no need to > > repartition the HD... > > No, a DOS version is very important. > > I'd like to run Xcoupe at university. > > The computing staff would not be best pleased if I installed a 20MB > operating system on their machines. > I feel that a DOS version is a must. Neil Maynard. +-------------------------------+ |Neil Maynard | |E-Mail: mne2@cableol.co.uk | +-------------------------------+ From imc Tue Jun 4 11:03:41 1996 Subject: Re: My SAM's graphics are broken... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 11:03:41 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <96Jun3.204914+0100met_dst.62548-126+72@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> from "Simon Cooke" at Jun 3, 96 07:48:15 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 589 Lines: 14 On Mon, 3 Jun 1996 19:48:15 +0100 (BST), Simon Cooke said: > Could have blown the MC1377P still though; its main purpose in life is to > create composite video; most monitors work directly off the RGB outputs > from the ASIC. True, but if the picture was "faint" rather than just "absent" that sounded a bit less likely. If it is that though it shouldn't be too expensive to replace provided you can find one. I guess the main problem would be unsoldering the old one from the board (I'm never any good at that). imc PS Is there an easy way to get the ASIC out of its PLCC socket? From bin@nvg.unit.no Tue Jun 4 15:45:01 1996 Message-Id: <31B5AC21.182F@planetconnect.co.uk> Date: Wed, 05 Jun 1996 15:47:45 +0000 From: Allan C Organization: Crashed Magazine X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Aaaarrrggghhh! References: <15461@bgserv.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 421 Lines: 13 Brian Gaff Sam Dept. wrote: > > Who would have thought that one little moan would have created > so much completely incomprehensible discussion! I mean, how > often do you WANT upper ascii in the stuff we duscuss here? All > I asked was to keep it pure ascii to save messing about, thats > all..... Yeah, I agree with Brian. Look, I'll mail by carrier pidgeon if you like, just shut the hell up about MIME!!!!!! Al. From bin@nvg.unit.no Tue Jun 4 15:53:49 1996 Message-Id: <31B5ADDA.5FE@planetconnect.co.uk> Date: Wed, 05 Jun 1996 15:55:06 +0000 From: Allan C Organization: Crashed Magazine X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: XCoupe References: <15539@bgserv.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 137 Lines: 12 Brian Gaff Sam Dept. wrote: > > Vote 2 for MS Doc/Windoze version. > MS Dos? Windows? Rubbish. Vote 1 for Apple-Mac version. Al. From imc Tue Jun 4 17:00:11 1996 Subject: XCoupe To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 17:00:11 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 268 Lines: 11 Allan Skillman wrote: >It should be out early next week (hopefully) Where is it then? :-) >| *** http//www.hep.ucl.ac.uk/~ajs/xcoupe *** | Um, there's a colon missing! The error message I got from Netscape confused me no end. :-) imc From imc Tue Jun 4 17:20:25 1996 Subject: Samtools 1.21 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 17:20:25 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 144 Lines: 4 I have now put in incoming a new version of samtools that includes a samformat command (and a couple of minor bugfixes but not much else). imc From bin@nvg.unit.no Tue Jun 4 17:46:23 1996 From: James R Curry Organization: Does anyone read this line? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 17:47:37 GMT Subject: Beeping SAMs... X-Confirm-Reading-To: "James R Curry" X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Message-Id: <1417D4B13D5@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1134 Lines: 30 Something bizzare happened with my SAM this morning. I switched it on, as as the screen flashed through the colours it went (Through the TV speaker you understand, not the machine itself..) Beeeepppp beeeeepppp beeeeepppp beeeeppp etc. Whats more I had a BEEP! every time I pressed a key and repeat BEEPs while it loaded from disk and did other stuff. I tried CALL 0, which didn't fix the problem (It beeped while reseting, then continued..) and had to turn it off for a few seconds and back on again (I couldn't try reset, because that button fell in YEARS ago...) Anyone have an explanation for this bizzare syndrome? Is this the first ever case? If it is, can it be named Curry's Beepy Syndrome? -- +--------------------------------------------------------+ | The standard signature file.. | +---------------------+----------------+-----------------+ |From : James R Curry | Date : 04th Jun| hc1jc@dmu.ac.uk | +---------------------+----------------+-----------------+ | Ooh. A blank line to fill. | +--------------------------------------------------------+ From bin@nvg.unit.no Tue Jun 4 18:10:31 1996 Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 19:11:33 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9606041711.AA07378@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Samtools 1.21 X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 259 Lines: 10 > I have now put in incoming a new version of samtools that includes a > samformat command (and a couple of minor bugfixes but not much else). It has now been moved to ./sam-coupe/misc/sun. -Frode PS: Hey! People - how about more stuff to the ftp site? From bin@nvg.unit.no Tue Jun 4 19:30:37 1996 Posted-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 20:28:51 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <31B47FEA.76FC@pi.net> Date: Tue, 04 Jun 1996 20:26:50 +0200 From: Stefan Drissen Organization: SOLcorp X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: FRED 69 - it's early! References: <9606031610.AA00992@booth6.ecs.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1080 Lines: 28 Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk wrote: > On Fri, 31 May 1996 21:25:32 +0200, Stefan Drissen said: > > K. C Demos, two simple little demos written in SAM C - if Bob saw these > > then he would have a real reason to condone demo coders! > ^^^^^^^ > Huh? What do you mean? Ooops! I think I was trying to use words whose meanings are beyond me. I thought that condone meant to despise, I figure that it means to accept. :( > imc -- Stefan Drissen _____ ___ _ ___ ______ ___ ____ / _// \| | /\ | \ | _/ | /\ | \ _/ aka \_ \| || |__ / \| / | _|| |__ / \| / _| of ENTROPY /____/\___/\____\____\_|_\ |_| \____\____\_|_\___\ / \ / Email: drissen@pi.net http://www.pi.net/~drissen \ / Zevende Herven 6,5232 JZ 's-HERTOGENBOSCH,The Netherlands \ / telephone: +31-73-6414969 \ --------------------------------------------------------------- From bin@nvg.unit.no Tue Jun 4 21:45:37 1996 Path: esoftc.seuk.com!paul.walker From: paul walker Date: 03 Jun 96 02:00:44 +0000 Subject: Re: XCoupe Message-Id: <22c_9606030740@seuk.com> Organization: SEUK, Guildford, UK In-Reply-To: 15623@bgserv.demon.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 711 Lines: 21 Br> The whole point of an MS DOS version is that ANYONE can use it I have to say, I haven't seen the rest of this thread - God knows what's going on with Highlander at the moment. Br> if Windows is the mode chosen. I think that is why DOS would be Br> better, the modes would be easier to do. Many of us have to run Would also be faster - plus, if you used X-Mode (AKA chain-4), you would be able to use all of the memory on the VGA card, giving SCREEN ? without extra conventional memory ;) Paul ... One Iraqui dictator can ruin your whole day. -=> Tag-O-Matic V.10 (13193 Taglines) [Quoted: 41%] Registered to : Paul! --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 -- Standard disclaimer: My views are strictly my own. From 101507.1677@CompuServe.COM Tue Jun 4 22:27:26 1996 Date: 04 Jun 96 17:21:20 EDT From: Gordon Fulton <101507.1677@CompuServe.COM> To: "INTERNET:Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk" Subject: Re: My SAM's graphics are broken... Message-Id: <960604212120_101507.1677_IHJ129-1@CompuServe.COM> Status: RO Content-Length: 615 Lines: 18 The easy way to remove the ASIC (found by trial and blowing up!): Get the small point - like screwdriver from a pack of small screwdrivers (dead easy to obtain, mine came out of a cracker!) Push this into the top-right (right? I think this is where the bigger gap is!) corner of the socket and lever the chip out. A useful improvement is to bend the last two millimetres (or so) by 90 degrees if you're prepared to wreck the screwdriver. I find this is very effective! Dave "Funky" Fulton 101507.1677@Compuserve.com Author of Auto - palette modification for PBT colour dump and not much else (keen though!) From bin@nvg.unit.no Tue Jun 4 22:39:08 1996 Date: 04 Jun 96 17:33:17 EDT From: Gordon Fulton <101507.1677@compuserve.com> To: "Sam-users@nvg.unit.no" Subject: Reset troubles Message-Id: <960604213316_101507.1677_IHJ129-2@CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 767 Lines: 19 Hey, I think this is my first message! In addition to my working sam, I have a machine that *almost* works. It is one of the original MGT machines (it had Rom 1 fitted originally). Due to the "loss" of the reset and break buttons (surprise surprise), I fitted replacement, new style buttons. No problem until the machine was left in a cupboard for a while. On turning on, the sam prints coloured squares on the machine and does not respond to anything, even reset. Using the machine with the disk / printer interface plugged in gives the same effect but pressing reset then starts the machine and it works perfectly. Suggestions / Cures Anyone? (Using the disk interface permanently is not an option). Thanks Dave "Funky" Fulton 101507.1677@Compuserve.com From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed Jun 5 06:53:16 1996 Date: Wed, 05 Jun 1996 06:34:37 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <15687@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: XCoupe X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 950 Lines: 27 In message <9606032153.AA26050@mars.cableol.net> mne2@cableol.co.uk writes: > > > This would be very good too, considering that svgalib requires less > > > system RAM and it should be faster too, then the X version. > > > It makes a DOS version much less important too, as plain Linux (without X) > > > should be very easy to install on almost every PC (starting from the 386SX > > > and 4MB RAM) and such an installation doesn't need more than 20MB > > > of HD space. Using the UMSDOS file system there is even no need to > > > repartition the HD... > > > > No, a DOS version is very important. > > > > I'd like to run Xcoupe at university. > > > > The computing staff would not be best pleased if I installed a 20MB > > operating system on their machines. > > > > I feel that a DOS version is a must. > > Too true, and many users would not know Linux if it fell on them.. We are talking real world here... Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed Jun 5 09:26:44 1996 Message-Id: <199606050824.KAA25427@dxmint.cern.ch> From: Allan Skillman Subject: XCoupe update (sort of) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 5 Jun 96 10:24:41 METDST Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1031 Lines: 26 Hi All, Well last night at some god awful hour I managed to get my svga driver working for svgalib on my Notebook. I needed to write one of these because there wasn't one for my svga chipset and for the console version of xcoupe I need a 640x480x256 mode. Hopefully I shall also get v0.7 out today. cheers Allan BTW I've fixed the URL in the sig :) +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Now available! XCoupe, the one and only SAM Coupe emulator | | *** http://www.hep.ucl.ac.uk/~ajs/xcoupe *** | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ | Allan Skillman | "There are five flavours of resons, the | | HEPP Group | elementary particles of magic : up, down, | | University College London | sideways, sex-appeal and peppermint." | | Email : ajs@hep.ucl.ac.uk | - Terry Pratchett (Lords and Ladies) | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ From imc Wed Jun 5 11:24:26 1996 Subject: Re: FRED 69 - it's early! To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 11:24:26 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <31B47FEA.76FC@pi.net> from "Stefan Drissen" at Jun 4, 96 08:26:50 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 344 Lines: 9 On Tue, 04 Jun 1996 20:26:50 +0200, Stefan Drissen said: > Ooops! I think I was trying to use words whose meanings are beyond me. > I thought that condone meant to despise, I figure that it means to > accept. :( Ah, in that case you must have wanted the word "condemn". ("condone" means not exactly "accept", but "fail to condemn"). imc From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed Jun 5 12:48:38 1996 Posted-Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 13:46:40 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <31B482D1.418A@pi.net> Date: Tue, 04 Jun 1996 20:39:13 +0200 From: Stefan Drissen Organization: SOLcorp X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: XCoupe References: <15539@bgserv.demon.co.uk> <31B5ADDA.5FE@planetconnect.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 800 Lines: 25 Allan C wrote: > > MS Dos? Windows? Rubbish. > > Vote 1 for Apple-Mac version. You sure have a way of trying to prove that Apple is ahead of it's time - you're living one day in the future! > Al. -- Stefan Drissen _____ ___ _ ___ ______ ___ ____ / _// \| | /\ | \ | _/ | /\ | \ _/ aka \_ \| || |__ / \| / | _|| |__ / \| / _| of ENTROPY /____/\___/\____\____\_|_\ |_| \____\____\_|_\___\ / \ / Email: drissen@pi.net http://www.pi.net/~drissen \ / Zevende Herven 6,5232 JZ 's-HERTOGENBOSCH,The Netherlands \ / telephone: +31-73-6414969 \ --------------------------------------------------------------- From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed Jun 5 15:56:41 1996 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: Edinburgh Uni (CS and MATHS) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 15:56:56 +0000 Subject: Re: Beeping SAMs... Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Message-Id: <1DE2D5B1FF6@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 957 Lines: 33 James 'Beepy' Curry wrote sommat like: > I switched it on, as as the screen flashed through the colours it > went (Through the TV speaker you understand, not the machine > itself..) Beeeepppp beeeeepppp beeeeepppp beeeeppp etc. > > Is this the first ever case? Hmm, I had something similar meself. It went wrrrrwrrrrwrrrrwrrrrwrrrr. I think it was a soundchip thing, like a low frequency amplitude modulation of a lowish tone. It wouldn't stop, but then again I think i'd blown the soundchip... sending it to Samco solved that problem (although they nicked my disc drive in the process...) Was yours more a sort of 'beep-a-la-speccy' thing that interrupted everything when it beeped? > > If it is, can it be named Curry's Beepy Syndrome? > No. ;) davee +-----------------------------------+---------------------+ | Sole survivor in a zero-mind-zone | PION - torus - 1997 | +-----------------------------------+---------------------+ From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed Jun 5 15:58:48 1996 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: Edinburgh Uni (CS and MATHS) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 15:59:10 +0000 Subject: Re: RCPT: Re: Hard Disc Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Message-Id: <1DE368C57E6@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 716 Lines: 25 > From: "ANDREW.D.BIRKETT" <9458183@lewis.sms.ed.ac.uk> > Organization: Student Mail Service > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 19:39:59 +0000 > Subject: RCPT: Re: Hard Disc > Priority: normal > Reply-to: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Confirmation of reading: your message - > > Date: 31 Oct 94 10:33 > To: briang@bgserv.demon.co.uk > Subject: Re: Hard Disc > > Was read at 19:39, 4 Jun 96. Does anyone else find this message *really funny* ? !! davee +-----------------------------------+---------------------+ | Sole survivor in a zero-mind-zone | PION - torus - 1997 | +-----------------------------------+---------------------+ From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed Jun 5 22:30:54 1996 Date: Mon, 03 Jun 1996 19:14:11 +0200 (BST) From: David Gommeren Subject: Re: My SAM's graphics are broken... To: Sam List In-Reply-To: <9606031657.AA01143@booth6.ecs.ox.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 0.99j] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 623 Lines: 16 On Mon, 3 Jun 1996 11:47:17 GMT, MR DJ GRAY said: > After fiddling with a BBC type monitor ( don't do this at home > kids! ) I managed to fry part of my SAM. I only found out that > my SAM's graphics did not work proparly - when I connected my > SAM to a TV when I went home last week. > The picture is very hard to tune to ( the sound is OK ), and it > is quite fuzzy - generally unclear. Now you mention it. A couple of years ago I mangaged to damage part of my Sam so I only can only have a picture through scart (comp.vid. or TV don't work anymore). What should I replace? David Gommeren (gommerd@interpac.be) From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed Jun 5 23:47:25 1996 From: Mr Andrew M Gale Message-Id: <9606052246.AA19756@central.surrey.ac.uk> Subject: Re: XCoupe To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 5 Jun 96 23:46:02 BST In-Reply-To: <15623@bgserv.demon.co.uk>; from "Brian Gaff Sam Dept." at Jun 1, 96 7:05 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 236 Lines: 8 > The whole point of an MS DOS version is that ANYONE can use it > It's nice, isn't it? All those times when we non-PC users have to long for a nice piece of software that only runs on the PC, and here we are with the tables turned! From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed Jun 5 23:51:08 1996 From: Mr Andrew M Gale Message-Id: <9606052250.AA19933@central.surrey.ac.uk> Subject: Re: My SAM's graphics are broken... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 5 Jun 96 23:50:01 BST In-Reply-To: <9606031657.AA01143@booth6.ecs.ox.ac.uk>; from "Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk" at Jun 3, 96 5:57 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 577 Lines: 17 > How can it be the graphics chip if it works on your monitor? Sounds > like the modulator is acting up or the connection between the Sam and > the modulator is flakey. Is there a transistor in this pathway that > could have gone? > > imc > The MC1377p (the graphics chip) is only there to provide the composite video output. The ASIC provides digital outputs and the sync., three transistors provide the analogue signals (RGB) and the MC1377P gives the composite sig. Presumably the BBC monitor connects to the ASIC's signals...(well, I did with my CUB monitor), -Andy From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu Jun 6 07:52:30 1996 Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 07:08:51 +0100 (BST) From: Si Owen To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: My SAM's graphics are broken... In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Organisation: Wordcraft International Ltd. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1081 Lines: 23 On Mon, 3 Jun 1996, David Gommeren wrote: > On Mon, 3 Jun 1996 11:47:17 GMT, MR DJ GRAY said: > > The picture is very hard to tune to ( the sound is OK ), and it > > is quite fuzzy - generally unclear. > > Now you mention it. A couple of years ago I mangaged to damage part of my > Sam so I only can only have a picture through scart (comp.vid. or TV don't > work anymore). What should I replace? Hmm... I've had this one too. I tried replacing the power supply (with the UHF box being in there, but that didn't help. I found a resistor on the main board that seemed to be damaged. I sent it off to get done properly, and when they sent it back it had blobs of solder in the screw holes to stop me opening it again ;-) (I'm sure I'm not *that* bad!) Si +------------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ | Si Owen | Email: si@obobo.demon.co.uk | | Wordcraft International Ltd, UK | Fax: +44-1332-295525 | +------------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ From imc Thu Jun 6 11:50:29 1996 Subject: Re: My SAM's graphics are broken... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 11:50:29 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <9606052250.AA19933@central.surrey.ac.uk> from "Mr Andrew M Gale" at Jun 5, 96 11:50:01 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 330 Lines: 9 On Wed, 5 Jun 96 23:50:01 BST, Mr Andrew M Gale said: > The MC1377p (the graphics chip) The MC1377P isn't really a "graphics chip". It's an RGB->composite video chip. And yes, if the RGB outputs work and the composite video one does not then it's time to examine that circuit on the top left corner of the circuit board. imc From imc Thu Jun 6 12:02:55 1996 Subject: Re: XCoupe To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 12:02:55 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <9606052246.AA19756@central.surrey.ac.uk> from "Mr Andrew M Gale" at Jun 5, 96 11:46:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 380 Lines: 12 On Wed, 5 Jun 96 23:46:02 BST, Mr Andrew M Gale said: > > The whole point of an MS DOS version is that ANYONE can use it ^^^^^^ Ha ha. > It's nice, isn't it? All those times when we non-PC users > have to long for a nice piece of software that only runs > on the PC, and here we are with the tables turned! Indeed so. :-) imc From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu Jun 6 12:48:48 1996 Message-Id: <31B63A43.14ADB46E@RMnet.it> Date: Thu, 06 Jun 1996 03:54:11 +0200 From: "A.D.R." Organization: EuroCom Network Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b4Gold (X11; I; Linux 1.3.100 i486) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: XCoupe References: <15687@bgserv.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 934 Lines: 24 Brian Gaff Sam Dept. wrote: > > Too true, and many users would not know Linux if it fell on > them.. We are talking real world here... > > Brian Well if you are talking real world, then it would be better to say that the SAM is completely unknown to most people, even to many (most?) Spectrum users. I think there is really no excuse for anyone having a PC and wanting to use the XCoupe emulator, Linux CD-ROMs have been given for free with major British PC-mags and the svgalib version would surely not require more powerful hardware than a DOS version. And installing Linux is really a piece of cake using a recent distribution... _ (_ i a o, Arne +======================( Arne Di Russo )===========================+ | Roma, Italy (EU) - ar@RMnet.it - http://digiserve.com/ar/ | +==================================================================+ \....................> powered by LINUX <......................../ From bin@nvg.unit.no Sat Jun 8 12:05:42 1996 Date: Sat, 08 Jun 1996 11:58:55 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <15767@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: XCoupe X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1245 Lines: 36 In message <31B63A43.14ADB46E@RMnet.it> "A.D.R." writes: > Brian Gaff Sam Dept. wrote: > > > > Too true, and many users would not know Linux if it fell on > > them.. We are talking real world here... > > > > Brian > > Well if you are talking real world, then it would be better to > say that the SAM is completely unknown to most people, even to > many (most?) Spectrum users. > I think there is really no excuse for anyone having a PC and wanting > to use the XCoupe emulator, Linux CD-ROMs have been given for free with > major British PC-mags and the svgalib version would surely not require > more powerful hardware than a DOS version. And installing Linux is > really a piece of cake using a recent distribution... > _ > (_ i a o, Arne > I think you have missed the point entirely! People DO NOT install Linux. Well very few anyway. People are beginning to not know what DOS is! Here we see the more adventurous users, but out here is selling land, its Windows and Win 95. Sad but true. You will be surprised how many people know about the SAM. It really was a hairs bredth from success. If folk are asking me for the Oric emul, they would go for a SAM escpecially if the software was with it... Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From bin@nvg.unit.no Sat Jun 8 12:06:01 1996 Date: Sat, 08 Jun 1996 11:53:03 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <15766@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: RCPT: Re: Hard Disc X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 485 Lines: 21 In message <1DE368C57E6@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> "Dave Hooper" writes: > > > Confirmation of reading: your message - > > > > Date: 31 Oct 94 10:33 > > To: briang@bgserv.demon.co.uk > > Subject: Re: Hard Disc > > > > Was read at 19:39, 4 Jun 96. > > Does anyone else find this message *really funny* ? > > !! > Sad maybe, the system that can identify me as the sender, but send the confirmation to the list must have strange logic! Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From bin@nvg.unit.no Sat Jun 8 13:15:47 1996 Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 14:17:08 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9606081217.AA12010@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: XCoupe X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1574 Lines: 53 > I think you have missed the point entirely! No, somebody else is. > > People DO NOT install Linux. Well very few anyway. People are > beginning to not know what DOS is! Here we see the more > adventurous users, but out here is selling land, its Windows and > Win 95. Sad but true. > > You will be surprised how many people know about the SAM. It > really was a hairs bredth from success. You will be surprised how many people who know about and linux and actually uses it. And how many people who would like to use if if they knew about it. Her is a cut of the last linux count: Status of the Linux counter, as of Sat Jun 8 05:56:03 MET DST 1996 There are 34085 registered Linux users I estimate this as being between 0.2 and 5% of the total number of Linux users, giving the total community size something between 681.700 and 17.042.500 members. See the file README.ESTIMATES for the details of why I think so. PLACES WHERE LINUX IS USED ========================== Self Other Sum %Sum Place 26537 608 27145 79% home 9990 315 10305 30% work 3506 651 4157 12% school 2552 160 2712 7% somewhere 74 0 74 0% not used -------------------------- 32639 1520 34159 100% TOTAL NOTE: Some people use Linux in multiple places, so the total is not the sum of the columns. For more details (those who are interested): http://domen.uninett.no:29659/request-form_eng.html Linux hasn't got a major impact in the UK - it's on 23rd place counted by countries, behind countries like Isreal, Ireland, Singapore, Slovenia, etc. -Frode From bin@nvg.unit.no Sat Jun 8 21:14:21 1996 Posted-Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 22:12:49 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <31B72B33.6689@pi.net> Date: Thu, 06 Jun 1996 21:02:11 +0200 From: Stefan Drissen Organization: SOLcorp X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: XCoupe References: <15687@bgserv.demon.co.uk> <31B63A43.14ADB46E@RMnet.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2367 Lines: 51 A.D.R. wrote: > > Brian Gaff Sam Dept. wrote: > I think there is really no excuse for anyone having a PC and wanting > to use the XCoupe emulator, Linux CD-ROMs have been given for free with > major British PC-mags and the svgalib version would surely not require > more powerful hardware than a DOS version. And installing Linux is > really a piece of cake using a recent distribution... > _ > (_ i a o, Arne This discussion is getting rather pointless. The few staunch Linux supporters are so full of "their" operation system. I couldn't really care less if Unix or whatever operating system is so much better because of this and that - I like many other "ignorant" PC users (probably about 95% of the PC population, if not more) use some version of DOS (be it DOS, DOS+Windows or DOS7+Win95). There is NO WAY that you are going to get me (and probably the majority of PC users) to install another operating system just to run the SAM emulator. You can point out all the brilliant features that Unix has, but I couldn't care less! My machine runs nicely as it is. I've had a shot at installing FreeBSD AND Linux - both failed miserably and wasted one heck of a lot of time. So I say, "lucky you" for those who do happen to work with a Unix system and CAN run XCoupe - as for me, I'll wait for the DOS version to arrive, which will be a lot sooner than me getting Unix installed. > +======================( Arne Di Russo )===========================+ > | Roma, Italy (EU) - ar@RMnet.it - http://digiserve.com/ar/ | > +==================================================================+ > \....................> powered by LINUX <......................../ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ So? -- Stefan Drissen _____ ___ _ ___ ______ ___ ____ / _// \| | /\ | \ | _/ | /\ | \ _/ aka \_ \| || |__ / \| / | _|| |__ / \| / _| of ENTROPY /____/\___/\____\____\_|_\ |_| \____\____\_|_\___\ / \ / Email: drissen@pi.net http://www.pi.net/~drissen \ / Zevende Herven 6,5232 JZ 's-HERTOGENBOSCH,The Netherlands \ / telephone: +31-73-6414969 \ --------------------------------------------------------------- From bin@nvg.unit.no Sun Jun 9 09:31:57 1996 From: Colin Anderton Organization: HSH, University of Nottingham To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 09:30:06 GMT0BST Subject: Technical Stuff (wooo) Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <3AC0B031CC@hhn1.hughall.nottingham.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 312 Lines: 10 I was just wondering how you can run E-tracker modules while using line interrupts without bypassing the BS432C chip. I've tried a really complicated machine code routine, but to no evail. Someone said to stack the registers and return the call codes. Can anyone build on this? Yours worryingly, Colin From imc Mon Jun 10 12:34:15 1996 Subject: Re: XCoupe To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 12:34:15 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <31B72B33.6689@pi.net> from "Stefan Drissen" at Jun 6, 96 09:02:11 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 418 Lines: 14 On Thu, 06 Jun 1996 21:02:11 +0200, Stefan Drissen said: > There is NO WAY that you are going to get me (and probably the > majority of PC users) to install another operating system just to run > the SAM emulator. So don't run the Sam emulator then. What do we care? > My machine runs nicely as it is. With Windows? Ha ha... Unless you have installed OS/2 of course. imc From bin@nvg.unit.no Mon Jun 10 12:37:26 1996 Date: 10 Jun 96 07:33:23 EDT From: Andrew Collier <100751.545@compuserve.com> To: Sam users Subject: Re: Spooky Message-Id: <960610113323_100751.545_GHV79-1@CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1045 Lines: 22 There have been one or two developments while I've been away: The problem has been identified! We haven't found the cause, or the solution. But at least we know where to start. The problem lies with that bit of the keyboard port marked 'Light pen strobe/serial input bit'. On all other sams, this has a constant value (I think zero) wheras for some reason on mine, this becomes one towards the left of the screen every few lines down, and zero everywhere else. This confuses sloppy keyboard reading routines. Graham. This was discovered during a fairly lenghty telephone call with Cookie, who also suggested that a spiky power supply might be the cause. Nice try, but apparently no cigar - at the Haydock Park show the following Saturday, I tried my Sam on Derek Morgan's power supply, and the problem was still there exactly the same. It probably isn't that somehow the hardare thinks a light pen is connected, because HPEN updates as usual. So... ASIC? I could try swapping it with my old one, but that's probably dead in any case. asc From bin@nvg.unit.no Mon Jun 10 13:05:55 1996 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 13:04:00 +0100 (BST) From: Daniel James Doore X-Sender: iq4d4385@jaffle-fddi To: Sam Users Subject: Seeya Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 396 Lines: 14 Right, that's it for higher eduction as far as I'm concerned - see you lot later on when I get a *real* job and maybe even a *proper* mail account again... :) Dan. ************************************************************************** ** MAIL ACCOUNT CLOSING DOWN - ALL REPLIES BY THURSDAY 13th JUNE PLEASE ** ************************************************************************** From bin@nvg.unit.no Mon Jun 10 16:42:59 1996 Message-Id: <199606101524.RAA22993@dxmint.cern.ch> From: Allan Skillman Subject: Xcoupe v0.7 released!!!! To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 10 Jun 96 17:24:52 METDST Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 938 Lines: 21 Hi all, Well I finally got around to putting togeather a new release of XCoupe. All the README/ChangeLog files have been updated, but I haven't got around to updating the Web page yet - apart from the anouncement and the new file to download. Good luck! Allan +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Now available! XCoupe, the one and only SAM Coupe emulator | | *** http://www.hep.ucl.ac.uk/~ajs/xcoupe *** | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ | Allan Skillman | "There are five flavours of resons, the | | HEPP Group | elementary particles of magic : up, down, | | University College London | sideways, sex-appeal and peppermint." | | Email : ajs@hep.ucl.ac.uk | - Terry Pratchett (Lords and Ladies) | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ From imc Mon Jun 10 16:54:17 1996 Subject: Re: Xcoupe v0.7 released!!!! To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:54:17 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <199606101524.RAA22993@dxmint.cern.ch> from "Allan Skillman" at Jun 10, 96 05:24:52 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 490 Lines: 12 On Mon, 10 Jun 96 17:24:52 METDST, Allan Skillman said: > Well I finally got around to putting togeather a new release of XCoupe. Hurray! I was only looking for that about 2 hours ago. :-) BTW, there is something wrong with your tar program. All the files are OK but if you unpack it without having an xcoupe_0.7 directory then it makes a plain file with that name and can't unpack anything after that. The same happened with the last version, and also with some versions of xzx. imc From imc Mon Jun 10 16:56:37 1996 Subject: Re: Xcoupe v0.7 released!!!! To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:56:37 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <199606101524.RAA22993@dxmint.cern.ch> from "Allan Skillman" at Jun 10, 96 05:24:52 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 33 Lines: 3 PS Still based on xzx? ;-) imc From bin@nvg.unit.no Mon Jun 10 17:04:03 1996 Message-Id: <199606101603.SAA28763@dxmint.cern.ch> From: Allan Skillman Subject: Re: Xcoupe v0.7 released!!!! To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 10 Jun 96 18:03:22 METDST In-Reply-To: <9606101554.AA01170@booth52.ecs.ox.ac.uk>; from "Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk" at Jun 10, 96 4:54 pm Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1669 Lines: 38 > > On Mon, 10 Jun 96 17:24:52 METDST, Allan Skillman said: > > Well I finally got around to putting togeather a new release of XCoupe. > > Hurray! I was only looking for that about 2 hours ago. :-) > > BTW, there is something wrong with your tar program. All the files are > OK but if you unpack it without having an xcoupe_0.7 directory then it > makes a plain file with that name and can't unpack anything after that. > The same happened with the last version, and also with some versions of > xzx. > > imc > > Wierd - all I used was tar cvf xcoupe_0.7.tar xcoupe_0.7 (where xcoupe_0.7 was the directory containing the files) The only problem I have seen is that some WWW browsers liek Mosaic see a .gz file and decompress it, but still present the user with .....gz as the default file to save it as. Very confusing BTW The release of XCoupe only contains the xzx based versiuon still. The Xz80 version works fine now, but I wasn't sure whether it should be incuded yet. Allan +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Now available! XCoupe, the one and only SAM Coupe emulator | | *** http://www.hep.ucl.ac.uk/~ajs/xcoupe *** | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ | Allan Skillman | "There are five flavours of resons, the | | HEPP Group | elementary particles of magic : up, down, | | University College London | sideways, sex-appeal and peppermint." | | Email : ajs@hep.ucl.ac.uk | - Terry Pratchett (Lords and Ladies) | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ From imc Mon Jun 10 17:07:19 1996 Subject: Re: Xcoupe v0.7 released!!!! To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:07:19 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <199606101603.SAA28763@dxmint.cern.ch> from "Allan Skillman" at Jun 10, 96 06:03:22 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 453 Lines: 12 On Mon, 10 Jun 96 18:03:22 METDST, Allan Skillman said: > BTW The release of XCoupe only contains the xzx based versiuon still. The > Xz80 version works fine now, but I wasn't sure whether it should be > incuded yet. If you are asking me then I say put it in if it works (presuming it runs faster). imc PS Just compiled. I have to go search for the ROMs now. I'm sure I have them on disk somewhere... At least I'm sitting at a Sparc 5 today. :-) From bin@nvg.unit.no Tue Jun 11 04:04:24 1996 Message-Id: <31BCE124.33DDD8C7@RMnet.it> Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 04:59:48 +0200 From: "A.D.R." Organization: EuroCom Network Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b4Gold (X11; I; Linux 1.3.100 i486) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Xcoupe v0.7 released!!!! References: <199606101524.RAA22993@dxmint.cern.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1069 Lines: 26 I know it has been explained before, but I don't remember how to save the 2 ROMs to disk on a SAM using BASIC. Please, could somebody explain it again, or even better if some kind soul could email me the ROMs uuencoded or MIME encoded? Thanks a lot! BTW, Xcoupe 0.7 compiles and runs fine on my Linux PC (kernel 1.3.100) at least using the Spectrum ROM. Why does it say 0.6 on the titlebar, did you forget to modify that, Allan? Something else, dd worked for me only for 4 disks (fred66,fred68,fred69, and the SAMMod Player) and it refused to work with another 20 disks (several fred disks and other personal disks) which all work fine on my SAM... I get the following output: dd: /dev/fd0D800: I/O error 0+0 records in 0+0 records out Anybody knows what's the problem? _ (_ i a o, Arne +======================( Arne Di Russo )===========================+ | Roma, Italy (EU) - ar@RMnet.it - http://digiserve.com/ar/ | +==================================================================+ \....................> powered by LINUX <......................../ From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed Jun 12 11:57:17 1996 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:44:24 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <15835@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: XCoupe X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 512 Lines: 25 In message <9606101134.AA00630@boothp2.ecs.ox.ac.uk> Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk writes: > > So don't run the Sam emulator then. What do we care? > > > My machine runs nicely as it is. > > With Windows? Ha ha... > > Unless you have installed OS/2 of course. > > imc > > What a dumb attitude. I do not like DOS, I do not like Windows, but they are a real world thing. I see this attitude exists in the BeeB emulator camp also. :-) Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed Jun 12 12:02:48 1996 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 13:03:45 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9606121103.AA15124@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: XCoupe X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 401 Lines: 13 > What a dumb attitude. > > I do not like DOS, I do not like Windows, but they are a real > world thing. I see this attitude exists in the BeeB emulator > camp also. Who has a dumb attitude? Only the consumers has the power to change. If you don't like DOS/Windoze - choose another OS and live happily with the one you like. The other OS's are as much real world things as anything else. -Frode From imc Wed Jun 12 12:07:20 1996 Subject: Re: XCoupe To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 12:07:20 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <15835@bgserv.demon.co.uk> from "Brian Gaff Sam Dept." at Jun 12, 96 11:44:24 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 561 Lines: 16 On Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:44:24 GMT, Brian Gaff Sam Dept. said: > > > My machine runs nicely as it is. > > With Windows? Ha ha... > What a dumb attitude. I laughed at the suggestion that a machine "runs nicely" with Windows. Does this mean you think that Windows is _not_ a poorly implemented operating system which cripples your machine and crashes all the time? I did not tell anyone what operating system they should or should not use. I merely pointed out the irony in the above statement. So what's your beef? imc From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed Jun 12 12:15:42 1996 From: James R Curry Organization: Does anyone read this line? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 12:17:05 GMT Subject: Re: XCoupe Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Message-Id: <1FBFFDE407F@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1761 Lines: 57 > > I think you have missed the point entirely! > > No, somebody else is. > > > > > People DO NOT install Linux. Well very few anyway. People are > > beginning to not know what DOS is! Here we see the more > > adventurous users, but out here is selling land, its Windows and > > Win 95. Sad but true. > > > > You will be surprised how many people know about the SAM. It > > really was a hairs bredth from success. > > You will be surprised how many people who know about and linux > and actually uses it.... ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! Here's how a conversation would go if I wanted to run Xcoupe at universiy. ME : Hello Mr Computing Staff member, I'd just like to install something on your system. STAFF MEMBER : What? ME : Oh, a 20meg operating system, so I can run an emulator that isn't needed in my studies... No-one else would use it either, is that okay...? STAFF MEMBER : Er, no. ME : Oh.. Please? STAFF MEMBER : Would you sod off please? I've got people waiting with serious questions. ME : Augh! I want to run Xcoupe, thousands of people use Linux.. You can get it free with magazines.. Please it's only 20meg of the Uni's hard drive space, and I'd be really pleased. STAFF MEMBER : Hello.. security..? Do you see the point I'm making here..? -- +--------------------------------------------------------+ | The standard signature file.. | +---------------------+----------------+-----------------+ |From : James R Curry | Date : 12th Jun| hc1jc@dmu.ac.uk | +---------------------+----------------+-----------------+ |We have a new contender for worst day at Uni of my life.| +--------------------------------------------------------+ From imc Wed Jun 12 12:20:13 1996 Subject: Re: XCoupe To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 12:20:13 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <1FBFFDE407F@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> from "James R Curry" at Jun 12, 96 12:17:05 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 595 Lines: 24 So what if there were a DOS version? On Wed, 12 Jun 1996 12:17:05 GMT, James R Curry said: > ME : Hello Mr Computing Staff member, I'd just like to install something on > your system. > > STAFF MEMBER : What? YOU: Oh, a few hundred K of executables, data files and games > so I can run an emulator that > isn't needed in my studies... No-one else would use it either, is > that okay...? > > STAFF MEMBER : Er, no. > > ME : Oh.. Please? > > STAFF MEMBER : Would you sod off please? I've got people waiting > with serious questions. etc etc. imc From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed Jun 12 12:27:51 1996 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 13:29:03 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9606121129.AA15144@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: XCoupe X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 284 Lines: 14 > > You will be surprised how many people who know about and linux > > and actually uses it.... linux is deleted> > > ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! Who's talking waffle here, eh? :) [deleted] > Do you see the point I'm making here..? No. From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed Jun 12 12:27:51 1996 From: James R Curry Organization: Does anyone read this line? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 12:29:29 GMT Subject: Re: XCoupe Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Message-Id: <1FC34B11473@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 997 Lines: 28 > So what if there were a DOS version? > > On Wed, 12 Jun 1996 12:17:05 GMT, James R Curry said: > > ME : Hello Mr Computing Staff member, I'd just like to install something on > > your system. > > > > STAFF MEMBER : What? > > YOU: Oh, a few hundred K of executables, data files and games > > > so I can run an emulator that > > isn't needed in my studies... No-one else would use it either, is > > that okay...? STOP! This conversation wouldn't happen. The DOS version would fit nicely into my user area, so they wouldn't care. -- +--------------------------------------------------------+ | The standard signature file.. | +---------------------+----------------+-----------------+ |From : James R Curry | Date : 12th Jun| hc1jc@dmu.ac.uk | +---------------------+----------------+-----------------+ |We have a new contender for worst day at Uni of my life.| +--------------------------------------------------------+ From imc Wed Jun 12 12:30:51 1996 Subject: Re: XCoupe To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 12:30:51 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <1FC34B11473@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> from "James R Curry" at Jun 12, 96 12:29:29 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 457 Lines: 11 On Wed, 12 Jun 1996 12:29:29 GMT, James R Curry said: > STOP! This conversation wouldn't happen. The DOS version would fit > nicely into my user area, so they wouldn't care. So they let you play games on their computers, eh?... Why don't you ask them if you can install a revolutionary new operating system called Linux which is much better than Windows and crashes far less often, and which everyone will want to use because it's so good? :-) imc From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed Jun 12 12:42:15 1996 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 12:37:32 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199606121137.MAA04020@syntech.netwales.co.uk> X-Sender: e0021@mail.netwales.co.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Matt Round Subject: Re: XCoupe Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 845 Lines: 20 Look folks, I know you want Linux to rule the world, but that's NOT going to happen, it's doing pretty well, and there's some nice stuff for it to do certain things, but it's NOT a viable alternative to Windows at present. Get that straight. I could not do my work with Linux, and to some extent that applies to most people. Linux ain't suitable for most users, in the same way Windows isn't suitable for doing certain things. Why is that so hard to accept? If you want to keep a coupe emulator restricted to a small number of users, fine, sit there smugly, but I'd have hoped you'd prefer to lengthen the life of the coupe and let others enjoy it by widening the availability of an emulator. A DOS emulator that'll run full-screen within Windows would be wonderful, if I had one it'd be tucked away minimised on this PC right now. Matt. From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed Jun 12 12:42:16 1996 From: James R Curry Organization: Does anyone read this line? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 12:43:35 GMT Subject: Re: XCoupe Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Message-Id: <1FC708A0DA0@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1021 Lines: 29 > > STOP! This conversation wouldn't happen. The DOS version would fit > > nicely into my user area, so they wouldn't care. > > So they let you play games on their computers, eh?... After 5pm, yes. > Why don't you ask them if you can install a revolutionary new operating > system called Linux which is much better than Windows and crashes far less > often, and which everyone will want to use because it's so good? :-) Because they'll say no. Okay, whether it's a good idea or not, one student isn't going to get them to completely revamp the uni network. especially just to run Xcoupe. -- +--------------------------------------------------------+ | The standard signature file.. | +---------------------+----------------+-----------------+ |From : James R Curry | Date : 12th Jun| hc1jc@dmu.ac.uk | +---------------------+----------------+-----------------+ |We have a new contender for worst day at Uni of my life.| +--------------------------------------------------------+ From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed Jun 12 12:53:29 1996 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 13:54:55 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9606121154.AA15187@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: XCoupe X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1419 Lines: 32 > > Look folks, I know you want Linux to rule the world, but that's NOT going to > happen, it's doing pretty well, and there's some nice stuff for it to do > certain things, but it's NOT a viable alternative to Windows at present. Get > that straight. I could not do my work with Linux, and to some extent that > applies to most people. Linux ain't suitable for most users, in the same way > Windows isn't suitable for doing certain things. Why is that so hard to accept? Who said anything about ruling the world? I fail to see why Linux is not suitable to most users. Users of what? Windows is a nice utilty to do just about anything badly. Why can't we have this little application without people start screaming for a Windows version? If you really want a windows version - DIY. > If you want to keep a coupe emulator restricted to a small number of users, > fine, sit there smugly, but I'd have hoped you'd prefer to lengthen the life > of the coupe and let others enjoy it by widening the availability of an > emulator. This, as some of you fail to realise, is primarily Allan's call. Or anybody who want's to take on the conversion. > > A DOS emulator that'll run full-screen within Windows would be wonderful, if > I had one it'd be tucked away minimised on this PC right now. > Ian, isn't it nice to have a _real_ computer which can run _real_ applications - in almost indefinte numbers? ;) -Frode From imc Wed Jun 12 13:01:55 1996 Subject: Re: XCoupe To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 13:01:55 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <9606121154.AA15187@asmal.edh-net> from "Frode Tenneboe" at Jun 12, 96 01:54:55 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 592 Lines: 16 On Wed, 12 Jun 1996 13:54:55 +0200, Frode Tenneboe said: > > A DOS emulator that'll run full-screen within Windows would be wonderful, if > > I had one it'd be tucked away minimised on this PC right now. > Ian, isn't it nice to have a _real_ computer which can run _real_ > applications - in almost indefinte numbers? ;) :-) Mind you, I don't intend to have a minimised XCoupe on my screen all the time because it's a CPU-eating monster, uinlike xz80 of course. :-) imc PS XCoupe for DOS is an oxymoron - it would have to be renamed. :-) (Although that didn't stop James McKay...) From imc Wed Jun 12 13:07:41 1996 Subject: Re: XCoupe To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 13:07:41 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <1FC708A0DA0@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> from "James R Curry" at Jun 12, 96 12:43:35 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 255 Lines: 8 On Wed, 12 Jun 1996 12:43:35 GMT, James R Curry said: [a message] BTW, James, your Windows operating system is so good that it can send messages back into the past. You wrote that at 12.43 GMT, but it arrived at 12.42 BST, 61 minutes earlier! :-) imc From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed Jun 12 13:16:38 1996 Message-Id: <3195C7E9.41C6@apache-atm.qub.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 04:13:45 -0700 From: Andrew Gallagher Organization: Queen's University Belfast X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b3 (X11; I; IRIX 5.3 IP22) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: XCoupe References: <9606121207.AA02019@boothp2.ecs.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 433 Lines: 16 Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk wrote: > > On Wed, 12 Jun 1996 12:43:35 GMT, James R Curry said: > [a message] > > BTW, James, your Windows operating system is so good that it can send > messages back into the past. You wrote that at 12.43 GMT, but it arrived > at 12.42 BST, 61 minutes earlier! :-) > > imc Nope, sorry. It's 59 minutes later. Nice try though :-) -- Eric the Witchdoctor -- http://boris.qub.ac.uk/andrew/ From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed Jun 12 13:17:08 1996 Message-Id: <3195C829.167E@apache-atm.qub.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 04:14:49 -0700 From: Andrew Gallagher Organization: Queen's University Belfast X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b3 (X11; I; IRIX 5.3 IP22) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: XCoupe References: <9606121207.AA02019@boothp2.ecs.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 471 Lines: 17 Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk wrote: > > On Wed, 12 Jun 1996 12:43:35 GMT, James R Curry said: > [a message] > > BTW, James, your Windows operating system is so good that it can send > messages back into the past. You wrote that at 12.43 GMT, but it arrived > at 12.42 BST, 61 minutes earlier! :-) > > imc Oops... sorry. Ignore my last mail message. *Goes and gets his brain put in the right way up* -- Eric the Witchdoctor -- http://boris.qub.ac.uk/andrew/ From imc Wed Jun 12 13:23:48 1996 Subject: Re: XCoupe To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 13:23:48 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <3195C829.167E@apache-atm.qub.ac.uk> from "Andrew Gallagher" at May 12, 96 04:14:49 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 264 Lines: 11 On Sun, 12 May 1996 04:14:49 -0700, Andrew Gallagher said: [a message] ... whereas yours arrived one month, one hour and three minutes _later_ than the time you posted it! imc PS It looks like nvg has the wrong time zone as well. Why are dates so difficult? From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed Jun 12 13:29:57 1996 Message-Id: <31BEB67B.1CC29C29@RMnet.it> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 14:22:19 +0200 From: "A.D.R." Organization: EuroCom Network Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b4Gold (X11; I; Linux 1.3.100 i486) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Xcoupe v0.7 released!!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1280 Lines: 31 I got no replys to this mail I posted yesterday, maybe they got lost as my mailserver was down for some time yesterday? Anyway could someone please help me with the following? > I know it has been explained before, but I don't remember > how to save the 2 ROMs to disk on a SAM using BASIC. > Please, could somebody explain it again, or even better if some > kind soul could email me the ROMs uuencoded or MIME encoded? > Thanks a lot! > > BTW, Xcoupe 0.7 compiles and runs fine on my Linux PC (kernel 1.3.100) > at least using the Spectrum ROM. > Why does it say 0.6 on the titlebar, did you forget to modify that, Allan? > Something else, dd worked for me only for 4 disks (fred66,fred68,fred69, > and the SAMMod Player) and it refused to work with another 20 disks > (several fred disks and other personal disks) which all work fine on > my SAM... I get the following output: > dd: /dev/fd0D800: I/O error > 0+0 records in > 0+0 records out > Anybody knows what's the problem? _ (_ i a o, Arne +======================( Arne Di Russo )===========================+ | Roma, Italy (EU) - ar@RMnet.it - http://digiserve.com/ar/ | +==================================================================+ \....................> powered by LINUX <......................../ From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed Jun 12 13:36:17 1996 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 13:34:45 +0100 (BST) From: Dave Handley To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: XCoupe In-Reply-To: <9606121154.AA15187@asmal.edh-net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 642 Lines: 20 > I fail to see why Linux is not suitable to most users. Users of what? I can't install Linux without losing everything on my hard disk. I want a SAM emulator as my real SAM has no telly to plug into. Therefore I haven't written anything for 10 months. Solution...Produce a DOS emulator, it could be used by MILLIONS! Hurrah! > Why can't we have this little application without people start screaming > for a Windows version? If you really want a windows version - DIY. Erm, no. > Ian, isn't it nice to have a _real_ computer which can run _real_ > applications - in almost indefinte numbers? ;) I'm jealous. no, I really am! :) Dave From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed Jun 12 13:43:07 1996 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 14:44:13 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9606121244.AA15240@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Xcoupe v0.7 released!!!! X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1166 Lines: 32 > > I know it has been explained before, but I don't remember > > how to save the 2 ROMs to disk on a SAM using BASIC. > > Please, could somebody explain it again, or even better if some > > kind soul could email me the ROMs uuencoded or MIME encoded? > > Thanks a lot! Stefan said: > POKE 30000,243,62,64+31,211,250,33,0,192,17,0,128,1,0,64,237,176,251,201 > > All you then need to do is CALL 30000. The copy of ROM1 is then located > at address 32768, so SAVE "ROM1"CODE 32768,16384 (ROM0 is SAVE "ROM0" CODE 0,16384) > > > > BTW, Xcoupe 0.7 compiles and runs fine on my Linux PC (kernel 1.3.100) > > at least using the Spectrum ROM. > > Why does it say 0.6 on the titlebar, did you forget to modify that, Allan? > > Something else, dd worked for me only for 4 disks (fred66,fred68,fred69, > > and the SAMMod Player) and it refused to work with another 20 disks > > (several fred disks and other personal disks) which all work fine on > > my SAM... I get the following output: > > dd: /dev/fd0D800: I/O error > > 0+0 records in > > 0+0 records out > > Anybody knows what's the problem? You'r getting an error - are you sure the device is there? -Frode From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed Jun 12 14:11:13 1996 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 13:55:41 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199606121255.NAA05952@syntech.netwales.co.uk> X-Sender: e0021@mail.netwales.co.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Matt Round Subject: Re: XCoupe Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2085 Lines: 40 >Who said anything about ruling the world? Noone, I just somehow keep getting these pushy everyone-should-be-using-Linux overtones coming through, oh-so-subtly of course. >I fail to see why Linux is not suitable to most users. Users of what? Users of any software for which there are no Linux equivalents, people with skills which apply to mainstream software, people who aren't interested in being a systems administrator or knowing anything about the technical side. In other words, the vast majority of computer users. Anyway, as others have said, it's beside the point, most people aren't going to go off and install Linux to run XCoupe, and most aren't ever going to install Linux no matter how good it is or will be in the future. That may be a sad reflection of the software market, but it's true. >Windows is a nice utilty to do just about anything badly. It's running fine right now, looks nice, easy to use, performing OK, tons of software, hasn't crashed since I installed Win95 (despite me chucking some nasty software at it), I've no problem with it . From a technical point of view it may do some things very badly, but at least it'll do them (as I've said before, there are _NO_ Linux equivalents to many Windows applications, and those which do exist are often more technically-orientated). >Why can't we have this little application without people start screaming >for a Windows version? If you really want a windows version - DIY. We'd like a DOS version simply because it sounds like it's a pretty good emulator and it'd be nice if large numbers of people could run it. I know people who've never even owned a SAM who'd use a DOS emulator! Even if all the people who've asked for one in this mailing list only spent a couple of hours a week using it you'd probably see a few new SAM products as a result. >Ian, isn't it nice to have a _real_ computer which can run _real_ >applications - in almost indefinte numbers? ;) Unfortunately that isn't _real_ useful if you're in the _real_ world doing _real_ work which needs _real_ good software ;) Matt. From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed Jun 12 14:17:39 1996 Message-Id: <3195D5AC.2781@apache-atm.qub.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 05:12:28 -0700 From: Andrew Gallagher Organization: Queen's University Belfast X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b3 (X11; I; IRIX 5.3 IP22) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: XCoupe References: <9606121223.AA02062@boothp2.ecs.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 834 Lines: 27 Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk wrote: > > On Sun, 12 May 1996 04:14:49 -0700, Andrew Gallagher said: > [a message] > > ... whereas yours arrived one month, one hour and three minutes > _later_ than > the time you posted it! Tell me about it. My system clock has the minutes right, but that's about it. Being a UNIX box of course, I can't fix it. *gripe*gripe* > imc > > PS It looks like nvg has the wrong time zone as well. Why are > dates so > difficult? Probably because the machine has been imported from somewhere else and noone in sysadmin knows enough about time zones to fix it. I get confused about time zones myself (as you may have noticed!). Everyone should just use GMT and get up at a different time in the morning instead. Things would be simpler. -- Eric the Witchdoctor -- http://boris.qub.ac.uk/andrew/ From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed Jun 12 15:47:31 1996 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 15:24:13 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <15859@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: DOSCoupe X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 511 Lines: 17 Its amazing... After all those endless discussions about my C64 is better than your Spectrum, nothing gets people going like a good comparison argument. I think Matt said all there was to say. Its basically fine to do XCoupe as an excercise, but no matter how many of us devide to switch to an alternative system, DOS/Windows is too entrenched to be ignored. We do, after all want the Coupe to live after Jan 1st 97? The date that it can no longer legally be sold in the EC. Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed Jun 12 15:59:33 1996 Message-Id: <3195EE37.41C6@apache-atm.qub.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 06:57:11 -0700 From: Andrew Gallagher Organization: Queen's University Belfast X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b3 (X11; I; IRIX 5.3 IP22) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: DOSCoupe References: <15859@bgserv.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 222 Lines: 10 Brian Gaff Sam Dept. wrote: > We do, after all want the Coupe to live after Jan > 1st 97? The date that it can no longer legally be sold in the > EC. eh????? -- Eric the Witchdoctor -- http://boris.qub.ac.uk/andrew/ From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed Jun 12 17:28:20 1996 Subject: Re: DOSCoupe To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 17:27:06 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <15859@bgserv.demon.co.uk> from "Brian Gaff Sam Dept." at Jun 12, 96 03:24:13 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <96Jun12.182737+0100met_dst.62531-10761+162@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 237 Lines: 10 > to be ignored. We do, after all want the Coupe to live after Jan > 1st 97? The date that it can no longer legally be sold in the > EC. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ YOU WHAT???!!!!???!!?!?!?!?! Brian - tell me more! Si From imc Wed Jun 12 17:40:59 1996 Subject: Re: DOSCoupe To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 17:40:59 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <96Jun12.182737+0100met_dst.62531-10761+162@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> from "Simon Cooke" at Jun 12, 96 05:27:06 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 211 Lines: 6 On Wed, 12 Jun 1996 17:27:06 +0100 (BST), Simon Cooke said: > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ YOU WHAT???!!!!???!!?!?!?!?! EMC regs, don't you know. I thought we had discussed all this before. imc From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed Jun 12 19:49:40 1996 From: James R Curry Organization: Does anyone read this line? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 19:50:24 GMT Subject: Re: XCoupe Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Message-Id: <2038E251DAF@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1528 Lines: 36 > On Wed, 12 Jun 1996 12:43:35 GMT, James R Curry said: > [a message] > > BTW, James, your Windows operating system is so good that it can send > messages back into the past. You wrote that at 12.43 GMT, but it arrived > at 12.42 BST, 61 minutes earlier! :-) Coooool. And you got a nice jab at Windows in there as well I see.... Look, I'm not trying to push Windows as a wonderful operating system, I know it isn't. But it's what most people use.. Let's face it, there are a hell of a lot of users in the real world who know SOD ALL about operating systems and wouldn't understand what is meant by 'installing Linux.' Okay, none of us are among them but the sad truth of the matter is that the majority of users have Windows/DOS and no matter HOW good something is and HOW EASY it is to install THEY ARE NOT GOING TO DO IT. And I'm not going to convince the entire computing staff to install Linux here, hence I can't run Xcoupe. Now could you stop trying to convince me how wonderful Linux is, because how ever wonderful it is, it's not used widely in COMPARISON to DOS and WINDOWS. -- +--------------------------------------------------------+ | The standard signature file.. | +---------------------+----------------+-----------------+ |From : James R Curry | Date : 12th Jun| hc1jc@dmu.ac.uk | +---------------------+----------------+-----------------+ |We have a new contender for worst day at Uni of my life.| +--------------------------------------------------------+ From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed Jun 12 20:04:43 1996 Message-Id: From: geoffw@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Geoff Winkless) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 20:03:34 +0100 In-Reply-To: Ian.Collier -- "Re: XCoupe" (Jun 12, 12:20pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: XCoupe Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 749 Lines: 25 On Jun 12, 12:20pm in "Re: XCoupe", warbled: ] YOU: Oh, a few hundred K of executables, data files and games ] ] > so I can run an emulator that ] > isn't needed in my studies... No-one else would use it either, is ] > that okay...? ] > ] > STAFF MEMBER : Er, no. ] > ] > ME : Oh.. Please? ] > ] > STAFF MEMBER : Would you sod off please? I've got people waiting ] > with serious questions. The problem here is that linux needs to be installed in a boot block, by someone who knows what they're doing. It's almost impossible to boot linux having loaded dos, and absolutely impossible to do it over a network. Loadlin sucks. Trying to use linux with no local storage sucks. Got the picture? -- Geoff From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed Jun 12 20:05:02 1996 Message-Id: From: geoffw@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Geoff Winkless) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 20:04:16 +0100 In-Reply-To: Ian.Collier -- "Re: XCoupe" (Jun 12, 12:30pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: XCoupe Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 377 Lines: 11 On Jun 12, 12:30pm in "Re: XCoupe", warbled: ] Why don't you ask them if you can install a revolutionary new operating ] system called Linux which is much better than Windows and crashes far less ] often, and which everyone will want to use because it's so good? :-) They'll say "how fast does X run on the 386s here? Can you run Word 6 on it? Bugger off then." -- Geoff From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed Jun 12 20:09:14 1996 From: James R Curry Organization: Does anyone read this line? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 20:10:03 GMT Subject: Re: XCoupe X-Confirm-Reading-To: "James R Curry" X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Message-Id: <203E2135CF9@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 962 Lines: 23 > On Jun 12, 12:30pm in "Re: XCoupe", warbled: > ] Why don't you ask them if you can install a revolutionary new operating > ] system called Linux which is much better than Windows and crashes far less > ] often, and which everyone will want to use because it's so good? :-) > > They'll say "how fast does X run on the 386s here? Can you run > Word 6 on it? Bugger off then." Exactly. (Except they're P90's here with nice graphic and sound cards.. And CD ROM drives.. But it still wouldn't run WORD 6. So they wouldn't install it.) -- +--------------------------------------------------------+ | The standard signature file.. | +---------------------+----------------+-----------------+ |From : James R Curry | Date : 12th Jun| hc1jc@dmu.ac.uk | +---------------------+----------------+-----------------+ |We have a new contender for worst day at Uni of my life.| +--------------------------------------------------------+ From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu Jun 13 04:04:02 1996 Message-Id: <31BF8390.67F23968@RMnet.it> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 04:57:20 +0200 From: "A.D.R." Organization: EuroCom Network Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b4Gold (X11; I; Linux 2.0.0 i486) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Xcoupe v0.7 released!!!! References: <9606121244.AA15240@asmal.edh-net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1332 Lines: 39 Frode Tenneboe wrote: > > Stefan said: > > > POKE 30000,243,62,64+31,211,250,33,0,192,17,0,128,1,0,64,237,176,251,201 > > > > All you then need to do is CALL 30000. The copy of ROM1 is then located > > at address 32768, so SAVE "ROM1"CODE 32768,16384 > > (ROM0 is SAVE "ROM0" CODE 0,16384) Thanks, although saving ROM0 directly did not work for me I had to copy it first into a RAM section. > > > dd: /dev/fd0D800: I/O error > > > 0+0 records in > > > 0+0 records out > > > Anybody knows what's the problem? > > You'r getting an error - are you sure the device is there? Yes, as I said 4 disks were copied fine, just the others not. This evening I tried with SAMDISK under DOS with exactly the same result, the same 4 disks were copied fine but more than 20 other refused to. It's really strange because all those disks work fine on the SAM and it cannot be misaligned heads either as many of those SAM disks are commercial disks... SAMDISK jumps out with error 128 if I remember correctly. I will try on another PC tomorrow. _ (_ i a o, Arne +======================( Arne Di Russo )===========================+ | Roma, Italy (EU) - ar@RMnet.it - http://digiserve.com/ar/ | +==================================================================+ \....................> powered by LINUX <......................../ From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu Jun 13 06:26:18 1996 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 06:18:01 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <15888@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: DOSCoupe X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 637 Lines: 24 In message <3195EE37.41C6@apache-atm.qub.ac.uk> Andrew Gallagher writes: > Brian Gaff Sam Dept. wrote: > > We do, after all want the Coupe to live after Jan > > 1st 97? The date that it can no longer legally be sold in the > > EC. > > eh????? > > -- > Eric the Witchdoctor -- http://boris.qub.ac.uk/andrew/ > > The radiation it puts out. All new goods MUST carry a sticker and if they have not got one, or have one and they do not pass the regs, its a criminal offence. We went through this some months back. Its law now for new designs, but it comes in for old designs at the end of this year. Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu Jun 13 07:30:02 1996 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 08:31:17 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9606130631.AA15653@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: XCoupe X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 172 Lines: 8 > > I fail to see why Linux is not suitable to most users. Users of what? > > I can't install Linux without losing everything on my hard disk. Yes, you can. :) -Frode From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu Jun 13 07:42:12 1996 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 08:43:20 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9606130643.AA15660@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: XCoupe X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2345 Lines: 50 > > >Who said anything about ruling the world? > Noone, I just somehow keep getting these pushy > everyone-should-be-using-Linux overtones coming through, oh-so-subtly of course. > And nobody is pushing 'everyone-should-be-using-DOS-or-Windows'? > >Windows is a nice utilty to do just about anything badly. > It's running fine right now, looks nice, easy to use, performing OK, tons of > software, hasn't crashed since I installed Win95 (despite me chucking some > nasty software at it), I've no problem with it . From a technical > point of view it may do some things very badly, but at least it'll do them > (as I've said before, there are _NO_ Linux equivalents to many Windows > applications, and those which do exist are often more technically-orientated). You underestimate yourself and everybody else. Horse-and-crate had a much nicer user interface than a car 100 years ago, but who's ruling the roads? :) For linux you have word processors, spreadsheets even minesweeper. :) Most of these are free. Of course, you need to know which side of a diskette goes first and stuff like that. I consider Linux/PC only slightly more complicated (adjusted for time) than Spectrum/Interface I/ Microdrives/the-lot. > > >Why can't we have this little application without people start screaming > >for a Windows version? If you really want a windows version - DIY. > We'd like a DOS version simply because it sounds like it's a pretty good > emulator and it'd be nice if large numbers of people could run it. I know > people who've never even owned a SAM who'd use a DOS emulator! Even if all > the people who've asked for one in this mailing list only spent a couple of > hours a week using it you'd probably see a few new SAM products as a result. That is a viable point. And I hope it will get done, but if everybody complains about there being an X version and not a DOS version, a DOS version will never be done. IF I had a PC I might even consider doing one myself just for the heck of it. But I don't. > > >Ian, isn't it nice to have a _real_ computer which can run _real_ > >applications - in almost indefinte numbers? ;) > Unfortunately that isn't _real_ useful if you're in the _real_ world doing > _real_ work which needs _real_ good software ;) Who's in the real world? Is your world more real than mine? :) -Frode From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu Jun 13 07:46:26 1996 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 08:47:44 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9606130647.AA15663@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: DOSCoupe X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 731 Lines: 24 > Its amazing... Yes, it is. Wonder how Gazza plays.... ;) > > After all those endless discussions about my C64 is better than > your Spectrum, nothing gets people going like a good comparison > argument. Ah...that's snacks, isn't it? ;) > > I think Matt said all there was to say. Its basically fine to do > XCoupe as an excercise, but no matter how many of us devide to > switch to an alternative system, DOS/Windows is too entrenched > to be ignored. We do, after all want the Coupe to live after Jan > 1st 97? The date that it can no longer legally be sold in the > EC. If I want to ignore DOS/Windows it's my privilege. However, I do not ignore the future of the Coupe. Isn't there anything that can be done? -Frode From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu Jun 13 08:06:48 1996 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 07:42:57 +0100 (BST) From: Si Owen To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: XCoupe In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Organisation: Wordcraft International Ltd. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1200 Lines: 43 On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Geoff Winkless wrote: > The problem here is that linux needs to be installed in a boot block, > by someone who knows what they're doing. FALSE, use a loader program. > It's almost impossible to boot linux having loaded dos FALSE, use a loader program. > and absolutely impossible to do it over a network. FALSE, how do you think diskless workstations boot off the network? (tftp/(R)ARP) > Loadlin sucks. It's better that LILO clobbering your MBR. NT/95 exist perfectly with LoadLin! > Trying to use linux with no local storage sucks. If you've booted from the network, you've got storage their. If you've booted locally, but don't have extra space, have XCoupe on a floppy disk! > Got the picture? Have you? Get your facts straight! I think a DOS version would be the best idea - us Linux users can always run in using dosemu anyway! Si +------------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ | Si Owen | Email: si@obobo.demon.co.uk | | Wordcraft International Ltd, UK | Fax: +44-1332-295525 | +------------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu Jun 13 09:34:44 1996 Message-Id: <199606130833.KAA10023@dxmint.cern.ch> From: Allan Skillman Subject: Oh no another Xcoupe thread coming up!!! To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 13 Jun 96 10:33:43 METDST Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1448 Lines: 29 Hello All, Well I've just come in after two days of chaos at home with a new central heating system being put in to find the great Linux/DOS debate going on after the release of XCoupe v0.7 (dispite what the title bar says :). What there seems to be in a complete lack of comments about the program - what do poeple (running Linux that is) think. Feedback is important. Anyway the two days off have given me a chance to get going on the vgalib version - which I finally got to compile yesterday, but it crashes with a segmentation violation at the moment. When I get it going I should be able to get it on a single (or maybe a couple) of Linux floppies so event the DOS guys can boot it. That should keep them happy until a DOS version comes along :) cheers Allan +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Now available! XCoupe, the one and only SAM Coupe emulator | | *** http://www.hep.ucl.ac.uk/~ajs/xcoupe *** | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ | Allan Skillman | "There are five flavours of resons, the | | HEPP Group | elementary particles of magic : up, down, | | University College London | sideways, sex-appeal and peppermint." | | Email : ajs@hep.ucl.ac.uk | - Terry Pratchett (Lords and Ladies) | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ From imc Thu Jun 13 11:05:53 1996 Subject: Re: XCoupe To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:05:53 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <2038E251DAF@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> from "James R Curry" at Jun 12, 96 07:50:24 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 187 Lines: 6 On Wed, 12 Jun 1996 19:50:24 GMT, James R Curry said: > Now could you stop trying to convince me how wonderful Linux is, Actually I was just trying to get you to fix your date... imc From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu Jun 13 11:07:01 1996 From: Gavin Smith To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 10:57:07 GMT+1 Subject: I'm a bit slow really... X-Confirm-Reading-To: "Gavin Smith" X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-Id: <8FF776B5DEB@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 604 Lines: 15 > I think Matt said all there was to say. Its basically fine to do > XCoupe as an excercise, but no matter how many of us devide to > switch to an alternative system, DOS/Windows is too entrenched to be > ignored. We do, after all want the Coupe to live after Jan 1st 97? > The date that it can no longer legally be sold in the EC. Erm, sorry, I'm a bit behind here - I've only just joined this list - sooooo, from next year, no new Sams will be sold? Is that right? Can't anything be done? Surely other electrical goods will be affected to? Is the only forward through emulation then? :( SparkY From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu Jun 13 14:48:02 1996 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 14:39:56 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <15901@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Oh no another Xcoupe thread coming up!!! X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 511 Lines: 15 In message <199606130833.KAA10023@dxmint.cern.ch> Allan Skillman writes: > Hello All, > > Well I've just come in after two days of chaos at home with a new central > heating system being put in to find the great Linux/DOS debate going on > after the release of XCoupe v0.7 (dispite what the title bar says :). > What there seems to be in a complete lack of comments about the program - Nothing, they are all running DOS! (maniacal laughter echos into the distance... :-)) Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu Jun 13 14:48:11 1996 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 14:42:04 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <15902@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: I'm a bit slow really... X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 973 Lines: 28 In message <8FF776B5DEB@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> "Gavin Smith" writes: > > I think Matt said all there was to say. Its basically fine to do > > XCoupe as an excercise, but no matter how many of us devide to > > switch to an alternative system, DOS/Windows is too entrenched to be > > ignored. We do, after all want the Coupe to live after Jan 1st 97? > > The date that it can no longer legally be sold in the EC. > > Erm, sorry, I'm a bit behind here - I've only just joined this list - > sooooo, from next year, no new Sams will be sold? Is that right? > Can't anything be done? Surely other electrical goods will be > affected to? > > Is the only forward through emulation then? :( > > SparkY > > Legally I said. If Bob wants to carry on, good luck to him I say. I tend to think that the EC pen pushing pratts have gone too far already! Can someone post a simple version of the problem here. I do not want to get the blame... :-) Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu Jun 13 17:47:12 1996 Date: 13 Jun 96 11:21:54 EDT From: Christopher White <100606.175@CompuServe.COM> To: HELLO Subject: Re: Xcoupe 'THE GREAT DOS/WIN95 ONE' Message-Id: <960613152154_100606.175_BHL162-1@CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1295 Lines: 43 Okay lets put my point/info across about this. There is more than 2 million WIN95 users out there and most of them never use dos. By the end of 1997 there will not be any DOS games/progs around. Linux is a collegue/university OS and some old admins still like it, just like some old programmers still use PASCAL/COBAL. The question is why??????? So who has or knows somebody with Linus installed on a personal machine, and uses it all the time away from WORK/EDUCATION. Becasue of this I am working on a DOS version of Xcoupe (called Dcoupe) and when this works will included the following :- Full screen Modes 320,240 (640,480 for Sam Mode 3) Full use of PC disk drive as if it is the sams Should be able to use pc hard drive for load/save (Hopefully without Disk Imaging) And all of Xcoupe other functions After this is done I will post to this news group and then start on the WIN95 Version. If there is any other requirements/extras or other points you would like in then let me know, This may not have been possible without the release of the source for Xcoupe THANK YOU ALAN, YOU SAVED ME A LOT OF GRAY MATTER. Chris White Ps The final code will not be portable as most of it will be hard coded 386 protected mode to keep speed so that it will be 100% compatible From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu Jun 13 20:58:43 1996 From: Rob Partington Message-Id: <199606132058.UAA07483@heffer.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Xcoupe 'THE GREAT DOS/WIN95 ONE' To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 20:58:56 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <960613152154_100606.175_BHL162-1@CompuServe.COM> from "Christopher White" at Jun 13, 96 11:21:54 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1108 Lines: 33 Christopher White wrote... > > Okay lets put my point/info across about this. > > There is more than 2 million WIN95 users out there and most of them never use > dos. And there are something like 20 billion lines of Cobol code around. I'm not going to start using Cobol... :-) > Linux is a collegue/university OS and some old admins still like it, just > like some old programmers still use PASCAL/COBAL. > > The question is why??????? Because on machines with the same spec, it's a lot more efficient than Dos or Windows. I think it's a lot nicer too... > So who has or knows somebody with Linus installed on a personal machine, and > uses it all the time away from WORK/EDUCATION. Me. I have a Dos partition purely for Worms and Settlers, and for the tape formatter that came with my tape drive. I rarely boot into Dos nowadays (since Worms and Settlers run ok-ish under the Dos emulator). -- Rob Partington - rjp@heffer.demon.co.uk - currently unemployed... Keywords: perl unix C tcl tk html linux arm industrial www lynx Unsolicited commercial/mailing list email subject to $50 storage fee From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu Jun 13 21:43:00 1996 Posted-Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 22:41:56 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <31C05A9E.F1E@pi.net> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 20:14:54 +0200 From: Stefan Drissen Organization: SOLcorp X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Xcoupe v0.7 released!!!! References: <9606121244.AA15240@asmal.edh-net> <31BF8390.67F23968@RMnet.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1238 Lines: 29 A.D.R. wrote: > Yes, as I said 4 disks were copied fine, just the others not. > This evening I tried with SAMDISK under DOS with exactly the same > result, the same 4 disks were copied fine but more than 20 other > refused to. It is possible that your disc drive/floppy controller can't handle discs that have been formatted on a SAM for some strange and peculiar reason. Of the four discs that worked, I can vouch for the SAM MOD player not having been formatted with a SAM (Teledisk does it all for me). Strangely, I got a copy back from someone saying that the disc had lots of errors - no problems on my SAM whatsoever though.... -- Stefan Drissen _____ ___ _ ___ ______ ___ ____ / _// \| | /\ | \ | _/ | /\ | \ _/ aka \_ \| || |__ / \| / | _|| |__ / \| / _| of ENTROPY /____/\___/\____\____\_|_\ |_| \____\____\_|_\___\ / \ / Email: drissen@pi.net http://www.pi.net/~drissen \ / Zevende Herven 6,5232 JZ 's-HERTOGENBOSCH,The Netherlands \ / telephone: +31-73-6414969 \ --------------------------------------------------------------- From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu Jun 13 21:57:47 1996 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:56:33 +0100 (BST) From: Dave Handley To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: XCoupe In-Reply-To: <9606130631.AA15653@asmal.edh-net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1247 Lines: 30 > > I can't install Linux without losing everything on my hard disk. > > Yes, you can. :) Hmmmm. I'm sure I had this conversation a few weeks ago. Linux INSISTS that I remove my disk manager. I have LBA on my motherboard but if I switch to that, I have been informed that I will need to wipe everything from my drive. I do not have the facilities to back-up anywhere near the 1.7 gig of software I have. So, please tell me how I can install Linux on a small partition (as I wouldn't really use it for anything other than XCoupe!) without losing everything on my hard disk... Even if I managed to install Linux, it would take me weeks to understand what I was doing. I tried installing XCoupe yesterday onto the main UNIX server at uni, I managed to compile it after an hour or so, then ran it using the spectrum ROM. It gave me a screen full of white and green stripes. I have just received an Email from the computer department giving me grief because I have been running programs which have been using more than 100 hours of processor time!?!?!? Do you think I'm going to try that again without a good knowledge of UNIX?? :) Dave PS. Chris... If you are writing a DOS version, then thanks, it will be greatly appreciated! From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu Jun 13 23:44:23 1996 Date: 13 Jun 96 18:40:29 EDT From: Ian Dalziel <100717.2266@CompuServe.COM> To: SAM-USERS Subject: Time Message-Id: <960613224029_100717.2266_EHU94-1@CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 186 Lines: 9 Look, my brain isn't what it was, but I reckon 12:00 BST is an hour earlier than 12:00 GMT. Seems to me some of these operating system gurus don't know what time of day it is... Ian From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri Jun 14 00:37:47 1996 Path: esoftc.seuk.com!paul.walker From: paul walker Date: 12 Jun 96 19:34:46 +0000 Subject: Re: Samtools 1.21 Message-Id: <3c0_9606132253@seuk.com> Organization: SEUK, Guildford, UK In-Reply-To: 9606041620.AA04904@booth1.ecs.ox.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 603 Lines: 18 -= Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk, about Samtools 1.21... Ia> I have now put in incoming a new version of samtools that includes a Ia> samformat command (and a couple of minor bugfixes but not much else). What's samtools when it's at home? Paul CR: Feet of Clay [*****] NP: Miracle : Queen ... "Did you really punch the president of the Assassins' Guild?" "Yes, ... sir." "Why?" "Didn't have a dagger, sir." -=> Tag-O-Matic V.10 (13613 Taglines) [Quoted: 42%] Registered to : Paul! --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 -- Standard disclaimer: My views are strictly my own. From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri Jun 14 00:46:01 1996 Path: esoftc.seuk.com!paul.walker From: paul walker Date: 12 Jun 96 15:21:48 +0000 Subject: Re: XCoupe Message-Id: <3be_9606132253@seuk.com> Organization: SEUK, Guildford, UK In-Reply-To: 31B2CE95.239249E7@RMnet.it To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 680 Lines: 24 Hi ar@RMnet.it, -= ar@RMnet.it to paul walker, about Re: XCoupe... ar> This would be very good too, considering that svgalib requires less ar> system RAM and it should be faster too, then the X version. Possibly... but if it's coded properly, I think X-mode can be as fast (faster?) than VGA/SVGA. ar> It makes a DOS version much less important too, as plain Linux You speak for yourself! ;) Paul CR: Feet of Clay [*****] NP: Innuendo : Queen ... I will not eat things for money -=> Tag-O-Matic V.10 (13613 Taglines) [Quoted: 40%] Registered to : Paul! --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 -- Standard disclaimer: My views are strictly my own. From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri Jun 14 06:09:33 1996 Path: esoftc.seuk.com!paul.walker From: paul walker Date: 12 Jun 96 15:26:17 +0000 Subject: Re: SAM > Amiga Message-Id: <3bf_9606132253@seuk.com> Organization: SEUK, Guildford, UK In-Reply-To: 199606021202.MAA22793@mail.enterprise.net To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 752 Lines: 22 -= davewhitmore@enterprise.net to paul walker, about SAM > Amiga... [Sam disks to amiga files] da> If this is wasting bandwidth in this echo(?) and people would like to da> discuss this further with me, then please email me. Don't think it's wasting bandwidth? Anyway, if anyone's interested, I've written routines to do the same for the PC. Not difficult though :) Which reminds me; Si? I've found out why your DIRS program doesn't work on all PCs... Paul CR: Feet of Clay [*****] NP: Automatic For The People : REM ... I've used this particular tagline 346 times. -=> Tag-O-Matic V.10 (13613 Taglines) [Quoted: 23%] Registered to : Paul! --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 -- Standard disclaimer: My views are strictly my own. From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri Jun 14 08:01:57 1996 Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 07:56:56 +0100 (BST) From: Si Owen To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Time In-Reply-To: <960613224029_100717.2266_EHU94-1@CompuServe.COM> Message-Id: Organisation: Wordcraft International Ltd. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 615 Lines: 15 On 13 Jun 1996, Ian Dalziel wrote: > Look, my brain isn't what it was, but I reckon 12:00 BST is an hour earlier > than 12:00 GMT. Spring forward, Fall back. So in the Summer we've 'sprung forwards' an hour. So B(ritish)S(ummer)T(ime) is an hour later than GMT. Highly logical, Captain. Si +------------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ | Si Owen | Email: si@obobo.demon.co.uk | | Wordcraft International Ltd, UK | Fax: +44-1332-295525 | +------------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri Jun 14 08:26:33 1996 Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 08:25:34 +0100 (BST) From: Tim Wells To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Time In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 905 Lines: 29 On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, Si Owen wrote: > On 13 Jun 1996, Ian Dalziel wrote: > > > Look, my brain isn't what it was, but I reckon 12:00 BST is an hour earlier > > than 12:00 GMT. > > Spring forward, Fall back. So in the Summer we've 'sprung forwards' an hour. > So B(ritish)S(ummer)T(ime) is an hour later than GMT. Highly logical, Captain. Yes, so 12:00 BST = 11:00 GMT, and Ian is right. To put SAM back into this thread, a further bit about EMC: (Can't remember where I heard this, so apologies if if I'm just repeating stuff posted here) Apparently, the QL fraternity are going to have the same problem with the Super Gold Card. Consequently, the user group QUANTA have taken over sale of the units, as by selling privately to club members only, they need not comply with the regulations. I don't know the veracity of this story, but if true, it would provide a get out for Bob B. Tim W. From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri Jun 14 08:37:12 1996 Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 09:38:24 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9606140738.AA16623@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: XCoupe X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1889 Lines: 44 > > > I can't install Linux without losing everything on my hard disk. > > > > Yes, you can. :) > > Hmmmm. I'm sure I had this conversation a few weeks ago. > Linux INSISTS that I remove my disk manager. > I have LBA on my motherboard but if I switch to that, I have been > informed that I will need to wipe everything from my drive. I do not have > the facilities to back-up anywhere near the 1.7 gig of software I have. It all depends on distribution. I don't know what system you are running, but there are distributions which allow you to run linux from an ordinary ms/dos partition. I think you'll find it in the Slackware distribution, and it's called umsdos. > > So, please tell me how I can install Linux on a small partition (as I > wouldn't really use it for anything other than XCoupe!) without losing > everything on my hard disk... There are utilities which will repartition your disk. I for one wouldn't touch it. > > Even if I managed to install Linux, it would take me weeks to understand > what I was doing. I tried installing XCoupe yesterday onto the main UNIX It's not as difficult as it seems. I bet you spent quite a few hours fiddeling with dos/windows to get it working the way you want. Or your Spectrum or SAM. > server at uni, I managed to compile it after an hour or so, then ran it > using the spectrum ROM. It gave me a screen full of white and green > stripes. I have just received an Email from the computer department > giving me grief because I have been running programs which have been > using more than 100 hours of processor time!?!?!? Do you think I'm going > to try that again without a good knowledge of UNIX?? :) This is probably due to the fact that you were compiling a Little Endian version on a Big Endian architecture or vise versa. Try looking in the Imakefile and switch the definitions for Endiansim. :) -Frode From imc Fri Jun 14 11:28:56 1996 Subject: Re: Samtools 1.21 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 11:28:56 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <3c0_9606132253@seuk.com> from "paul walker" at Jun 12, 96 07:34:46 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 720 Lines: 15 On 12 Jun 96 19:34:46 +0000, paul walker said: > What's samtools when it's at home? If you have a Sun workstation with a floppy disk drive or a Linux workstation with the /dev/fd0D800 Sam floppy device, you can use samtools to extract Sam files from the disk or save them on to the disk. Samtools comes with read, write, erase, rename, format and label commands. If you have an other kind of Unix workstation then you can do the same operations except that you use a disk image file instead of a real disk. If you can find a utility which reads a floppy disk into a disk image file then you can manipulate that. Samtools can also be useful in conjunction with XCoupe because it uses the same disk image files. imc From bin@nvg.unit.no Sat Jun 15 00:42:48 1996 Message-Id: <31C18FD0.50311DE9@RMnet.it> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 18:14:08 +0200 From: "A.D.R." Organization: EuroCom Network Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b4Gold (X11; I; Linux 2.0.0 i486) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Xcoupe v0.7 released!!!! References: <9606121244.AA15240@asmal.edh-net> <31BF8390.67F23968@RMnet.it> <31C05A9E.F1E@pi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1184 Lines: 30 Stefan Drissen wrote: > > A.D.R. wrote: > > > Yes, as I said 4 disks were copied fine, just the others not. > > This evening I tried with SAMDISK under DOS with exactly the same > > result, the same 4 disks were copied fine but more than 20 other > > refused to. > > It is possible that your disc drive/floppy controller can't handle discs > that have been formatted on a SAM for some strange and peculiar reason. > Of the four discs that worked, I can vouch for the SAM MOD player not > having been formatted with a SAM (Teledisk does it all for me). I tried on a different PC today and everything worked fine (both Samdisk on MSDOS and dd on Linux) for all disks, I don't think that my drive/controller can't handle SAM disks, the controller is a standard ISA MultiI/O and the drive is a very common TEAC. I suppose rather that the drive on my PC has slightly misaligned heads... _ (_ i a o, Arne +======================( Arne Di Russo )===========================+ | Roma, Italy (EU) - ar@RMnet.it - http://digiserve.com/ar/ | +==================================================================+ \....................> powered by LINUX <......................../ From bin@nvg.unit.no Sat Jun 15 00:42:48 1996 Message-Id: <31C1ECCF.366E666C@RMnet.it> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 00:50:55 +0200 From: "A.D.R." Organization: EuroCom Network Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b4Gold (X11; I; Linux 2.0.0 i486) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Oh no another Xcoupe thread coming up!!! References: <199606130833.KAA10023@dxmint.cern.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2599 Lines: 53 Allan Skillman wrote: > > What there seems to be in a complete lack of comments about the program - > what do poeple (running Linux that is) think. Feedback is important. Ok, here's some feedback :-) As with th 0.5 version xcoupe runs at about 60-70% of the real SAM speed on my DX-2 80 (with no swapping as I have plenty of RAM) so I suppose on a 120 or 133Mhz 486 speed would be the same as on a real SAM. I have found no compatibility problems (I have tried several Fred disks and lots of Basic programs) the only think that's strange is the screen saving feature of the SAM, on the emulator just the border get's black not the screen. Another problem I found with xcoupe is the fact that xcoupe gets the keyboard focus ONLY if the mouse cursor is inside the SAM screen not in the whole xcoupe window (including the border area of the SAM). This was quite confusing at first and I think it should be changed to the whole xcoupe window. Also keypress detection is quite slow and unreliable in many Fred menus I don't know if this is just a speed problem (i.e. it would be solved with a faster PC) or if it's due to the way xcoupe reads the keypresses. Maybe xcoupe should buffer keypresses. Finally the compile time option for 16bpp would be really useful... (even if 16bpp is slower I can't stand netscape at 8 bpp and restarting X everytime is not a good solution either...) > Anyway the two days off have given me a chance to get going on the vgalib > version - which I finally got to compile yesterday, but it crashes with > a segmentation violation at the moment. When I get it going I should be > able to get it on a single (or maybe a couple) of Linux floppies so > event the DOS guys can boot it. That should keep them happy until a > DOS version comes along :) Please don't abandon further developement of the Unix versions for doing the DOS one, especially as Chris White is doing that one already. All in all I like xcoupe a lot, compiling was dead easy and it seems to be very stable and reliable in emulating a real SAM. I was amazed by the fact that despite it uses all available CPU resources, it doesn't slow down other software running on the machine at the same time at all!! Is this due to good programming of xcoupe or just because Linux is that good in sharing CPU time? _ (_ i a o, Arne +======================( Arne Di Russo )===========================+ | Roma, Italy (EU) - ar@RMnet.it - http://digiserve.com/ar/ | +==================================================================+ \....................> powered by LINUX <......................../ From bin@nvg.unit.no Sat Jun 15 09:43:49 1996 Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 09:32:37 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <15929@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: XCoupe X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 156 Lines: 7 Could I also point out that the average user would not use software they had to compile for every machine they ran it on! Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From bin@nvg.unit.no Sat Jun 15 09:43:50 1996 Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 09:04:50 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <15928@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Xcoupe 'THE GREAT DOS/WIN95 ONE' X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 189 Lines: 8 Regarding DCoupe, from our experience wuth Disciple emulation, real disc emulation tends to be slow. You might include disc images as an option for speed. Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From bin@nvg.unit.no Sat Jun 15 12:15:26 1996 From: Colin Anderton Organization: HSH, University of Nottingham To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 12:14:11 GMT0BST Subject: I just don't believe it Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <232D7F08AD@hhn1.hughall.nottingham.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 192 Lines: 9 What is going on??? What is the world coming to??? Can you believe the BBC are probably going to axe Cardiac Arrest? I don't know, some times people amaze me. It's just not fair. Colin From bin@nvg.unit.no Mon Jun 17 09:05:25 1996 Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 10:06:34 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9606170806.AA19274@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: XCoupe X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 828 Lines: 23 > > Could I also point out that the average user would not use > software they had to compile for every machine they ran it on! Brian, get real! Actually, the average users doesn't use his or her PC (accroding to recent statistics)! And it seems like you still don't get it. Allan has written an SAM Coupe emulator. It is written in C with an interface to X. This means that Xcoupe has to be compiled on the system it is supposed to run on. It also means that it will compile on ALL systems supporting X - which is potensially many more than systems that support DOS/Windows. However, as soon as you have compiled it on one system, it can be run on any binary compatible system. If this is a problem for you we can provide the Internet community with versions compiled for practically all platforms within hours! -Frode From bin@nvg.unit.no Mon Jun 17 09:06:21 1996 Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 10:07:45 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9606170807.AA19277@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Xcoupe 'THE GREAT DOS/WIN95 ONE' X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 239 Lines: 9 > > Regarding DCoupe, from our experience wuth Disciple emulation, > real disc emulation tends to be slow. You might include disc > images as an option for speed. How about using a cache and update the disc during free cycles? -Frode From bin@nvg.unit.no Mon Jun 17 09:10:19 1996 Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 10:11:40 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9606170811.AA19287@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: I just don't believe it X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 319 Lines: 15 > What is going on??? > > What is the world coming to??? > > Can you believe the BBC are probably going to axe Cardiac Arrest? I > don't know, some times people amaze me. It's just not fair. What relevance has this got here? :) BTW: You wouldn't consider putting older issues of Fred on the FTP-site? -Frode From bin@nvg.unit.no Mon Jun 17 09:32:22 1996 Message-Id: <199606170831.KAA09308@dxmint.cern.ch> From: Allan Skillman Subject: XCoupe_vga - update To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 17 Jun 96 10:31:25 METDST Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1354 Lines: 25 Hello All, Well in a day off on Friday (while we were having our new fire fitted) I managed to get a good programming session in on the vga version of XCoupe (called xcoupe_vga for now - perhaps it should be vcoupe Hmm) I now have it mostly working. The line interupt palette changes are screwed at the moment (but a have a new idea to reimplement the display generation - which should produce a complete simulation of the sam display - mode and palette changes :) The keyboard stuff is a bit dodgy - anyone know how to turn off auto repeat in raw mode? Like XCoupe V0.7 there are two scaling modes 1x1 and 2x2 which use two VGA modes (G320x200x256 and G640x480x256). Allan -- +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Now available! XCoupe, the one and only SAM Coupe emulator | | *** http://www.hep.ucl.ac.uk/~ajs/xcoupe *** | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ | Allan Skillman | "There are five flavours of resons, the | | HEPP Group | elementary particles of magic : up, down, | | University College London | sideways, sex-appeal and peppermint." | | Email : ajs@hep.ucl.ac.uk | - Terry Pratchett (Lords and Ladies) | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ From bin@nvg.unit.no Mon Jun 17 09:42:32 1996 Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 09:35:44 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <15963@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: XCoupe X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 304 Lines: 13 BUTm I DO get it, but I have a Speccy emul here that was written in C and it is S L O W . Come, get real... :-) (Quote? who needs em.. ) Seriously, It is obviously impossible for the two camps to agree on anything, so we had best shut yp and let time take its course. Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From bin@nvg.unit.no Mon Jun 17 09:42:32 1996 Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 09:38:42 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <15964@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Xcoupe 'THE GREAT DOS/WIN95 ONE' X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 451 Lines: 16 In message <9606170807.AA19277@asmal.edh-net> ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) writes: > > > > Regarding DCoupe, from our experience wuth Disciple emulation, > > real disc emulation tends to be slow. You might include disc > > images as an option for speed. > > How about using a cache and update the disc during free cycles? > Hmm, I still think disc files would be netter. Format would still be slow though. Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From bin@nvg.unit.no Mon Jun 17 09:51:34 1996 Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 10:51:12 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9606170851.AA19334@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Xcoupe 'THE GREAT DOS/WIN95 ONE' X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 337 Lines: 15 > > How about using a cache and update the disc during free cycles? > > > Hmm, I still think disc files would be netter. That's what I'm saying. Only you have it in memory and use a write through to disc. > > Format would still be slow though. Not if you have an image of a formated disc and just zap it onto the disc. :) -Frode From bin@nvg.unit.no Mon Jun 17 10:16:29 1996 Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 10:47:46 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9606170847.AA19328@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: XCoupe X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 463 Lines: 19 > > BUTm I DO get it, but I have a Speccy emul here that was written > in C and it is S L O W . Come, get real... :-) That's what you sacrifise for compability. :) Would you believe the speed of an emulator written in AXP assembly or Sparc assembly? ;) > > (Quote? who needs em.. ) > > Seriously, It is obviously impossible for the two camps to agree > on anything, so we had best shut yp and let time take its > course. I think you are right! :) -Frode From bin@nvg.unit.no Mon Jun 17 11:11:35 1996 Date: 17 Jun 96 06:01:17 EDT From: Christopher White <100606.175@CompuServe.COM> To: HELLO Subject: Re: Xcoupe 'THE GREAT DOS/WIN95 ONE' Message-Id: <960617100117_100606.175_BHL149-1@CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 394 Lines: 13 There seems to be some concern about Dcoupe using the floppy drive as a real disk drive due to peeps thinking it will be sloww w w w. Fact, it runs at the mo about the same as a sam at the moment on my P90. I will consider a image format and allready looking into copying the files from a sam disc to pc inside the emulator (HARD DRIVE DOS A BIT OF A BITCH FOR SAM). Any other consernse From bin@nvg.unit.no Mon Jun 17 12:50:51 1996 From: Colin Anderton Organization: HSH, University of Nottingham To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 12:49:53 GMT0BST Subject: Re: I just don't believe it Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <53C6FE550D@hhn1.hughall.nottingham.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 768 Lines: 24 > > What is going on??? > > > > What is the world coming to??? > > > > Can you believe the BBC are probably going to axe Cardiac Arrest? I > > don't know, some times people amaze me. It's just not fair. > > What relevance has this got here? :) Well, talking about Windows things and stuff may be pretty relevant, but it aint half boring. Erm, in an interesting sort of a way :) I thought a topical discussion where we can all let our feelings show would help bring about a nutrality, a better world, bring people together to unite as the world should. Besides, they shouldn't axe Cardiac Arrest. > BTW: You wouldn't consider putting older issues of Fred on the > FTP-site? You're not just trying to get out of paying two quid for them are you? Colin From bin@nvg.unit.no Mon Jun 17 13:22:00 1996 Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 14:23:01 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9606171223.AA19658@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: I just don't believe it X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1136 Lines: 34 > > > What is going on??? > > > > > > What is the world coming to??? > > > > > > Can you believe the BBC are probably going to axe Cardiac Arrest? I > > > don't know, some times people amaze me. It's just not fair. > > > > What relevance has this got here? :) > > Well, talking about Windows things and stuff may be pretty relevant, > but it aint half boring. Erm, in an interesting sort of a way :) I > thought a topical discussion where we can all let our feelings show > would help bring about a nutrality, a better world, bring people > together to unite as the world should. > > Besides, they shouldn't axe Cardiac Arrest. I wouldn't know. > > > BTW: You wouldn't consider putting older issues of Fred on the > > FTP-site? > > You're not just trying to get out of paying two quid for them are you? Me??? Noo! How can you believe that? As soon as I get my Master Card I'll order a subscription. But just think about the innocent people in countries which has limited supply of hard currency...eh..english pounds anyway..who you deprive the posibility of accessing this excellent piece of software. :) -Frode From bin@nvg.unit.no Mon Jun 17 21:48:35 1996 Date: 17 Jun 96 16:39:26 EDT From: Ian Dalziel <100717.2266@compuserve.com> To: SAM-USERS Subject: Re: I just don't believe Message-Id: <960617203926_100717.2266_EHU47-1@CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 155 Lines: 7 >> Fm: Frode Tenneboe > INTERNET:ft@edh.ericsson.se What relevance has this got here? :) << What relevance has Colin Anderton got anywhere? :-))) From bin@nvg.unit.no Tue Jun 18 07:32:04 1996 From: Colin Anderton Organization: HSH, University of Nottingham To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 07:30:34 GMT0BST Subject: Re: I just don't believe Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <6674E84D6C@hhn1.hughall.nottingham.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 262 Lines: 12 > >> Fm: Frode Tenneboe > INTERNET:ft@edh.ericsson.se > > What relevance has this got here? :) << > > What relevance has Colin Anderton got anywhere? :-))) > Couldn't agree with you more. He's an arrogant, selfish, rude little brat, isn't he? Colin From bin@nvg.unit.no Tue Jun 18 12:43:12 1996 Date: 18 Jun 96 07:38:53 EDT From: Andrew Collier <100751.545@compuserve.com> To: Sam users Subject: Bye y'all Message-Id: <960618113853_100751.545_GHV70-2@CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 318 Lines: 13 Well, I'll be coming into school precisely two more times, and one of those is for the last day of term's Prizegiving; so it must be time for me to be desubscribing from this list and saying a fond farewell to everybody. Or something. A new and improved service promised in October (probably) Keep SAMming! asc From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed Jun 19 06:43:19 1996 Date: 19 Jun 96 01:41:00 EDT From: Ian Dalziel <100717.2266@CompuServe.COM> To: SAM-USERS Subject: Re: I just don't believe Message-Id: <960619054059_100717.2266_EHU42-1@CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 415 Lines: 20 >>> Fm: Frode Tenneboe > INTERNET:ft@edh.ericsson.se >>> >>> What relevance has this got here? :) << >> >> What relevance has Colin Anderton got anywhere? :-))) >> > Couldn't agree with you more. He's an arrogant, selfish, rude little > brat, isn't he? > Colin Better not say too much, or my copies of FRED will be arriving at erratic times, like a month late, and... Hey, wait a minute... Ian From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed Jun 19 12:31:28 1996 From: James R Curry Organization: Does anyone read this line? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 12:32:45 GMT Subject: Byeeeee.. For a few months. X-Confirm-Reading-To: "James R Curry" X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Message-Id: <2A446B8699D@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 566 Lines: 15 Eek. End of year. Arghh! Last day. Going home. I'll be unsubscribing from the list today. But I should be back next year. (Academic year). -- +--------------------------------------------------------+ | The standard signature file.. | +---------------------+----------------+-----------------+ |From : James R Curry | Date : 12th Jun| hc1jc@dmu.ac.uk | +---------------------+----------------+-----------------+ |We have a new contender for worst day at Uni of my life.| +--------------------------------------------------------+ From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed Jun 19 15:45:53 1996 From: tsp93ma@soton.ac.uk Message-Id: <199606191444.OAA22278@vision.soton.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Byeeeee.. For a few months. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 15:44:14 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <2A446B8699D@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> from "James R Curry" at Jun 19, 96 12:32:45 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 372 Lines: 15 To quote James R Curry: @/ I'll be unsubscribing from the list today. But I should be back next @/ year. (Academic year). Honestly, some people, whats wrong with reading a couple of hundred emails when you get back..... :) ....@/ -- Tim Paveley - Maths with Computer Science - University of Southampton Sam Coupe Web Pages: http://www.soton.ac.uk/~tsp93ma/Coupe/ From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed Jun 19 16:31:15 1996 Posted-Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 17:30:05 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <31C81CA8.2868@pi.net> Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 17:28:40 +0200 From: Stefan Drissen Organization: SOLcorp X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: SAM users Subject: IDE interface Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2098 Lines: 46 Well, since finals are now out of the way I thought I'd get back to trying to get my harddrive to work. I got one for my birthday, a 40 meg Seagate (ST157A). Typically, HDOS still wouldn't work properly. So I wrote some routines to read and write to the drive. Thanks to all the experimentation I've now got a nice little BIOS which is a nice kernel for all the other routines. I filled each sector with its head, cylinder and sector number and wrote them to the harddrive. Everything worked fine. I then verified that they were actually written correctly by reading all the sectors in again and checking that the contents were correct. This also worked fine. So I thought it had to be HDOS that was totally stuffed. I then wrote a routine to save a screen to the first sectors of the drive and then load it back in again. So I load up the SAM MOD player title screen and let the routine do its stuff. Now the little gremlins enter the stage. Funnily enough, when I try to reload the screen I sometimes miss the first few bytes of a sector, resulting in sheered blocks on the screen. Damn! To try to figure out where it is going wrong I create a test screen in which each doublebyte is equal to the screen address offset. Save it, load it, no problems whatsoever! So I tried saving the MOD screen on the old Conner (that has its own problems), and apart from the odd sector error due to the drive being crap, there were NO sheered effects. What is the problem???? l8r Stefan Drissen _____ ___ _ ___ ______ ___ ____ / _// \| | /\ | \ | _/ | /\ | \ _/ aka \_ \| || |__ / \| / | _|| |__ / \| / _| of ENTROPY /____/\___/\____\____\_|_\ |_| \____\____\_|_\___\ / \ / Email: drissen@pi.net http://www.pi.net/~drissen \ / Zevende Herven 6,5232 JZ 's-HERTOGENBOSCH,The Netherlands \ / telephone: +31-73-6414969 \ --------------------------------------------------------------- From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed Jun 19 16:46:41 1996 From: James R Curry Organization: Does anyone read this line? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 16:47:59 GMT Subject: Re: Byeeeee.. For a few months. X-Confirm-Reading-To: "James R Curry" X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Message-Id: <2A887FF081B@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1099 Lines: 30 > To quote James R Curry: > @/ I'll be unsubscribing from the list today. But I should be back next > @/ year. (Academic year). > > Honestly, some people, whats wrong with reading a couple of hundred > emails when you get back..... :) > I've a feeling that they'll close this account and open me another one. (Probably hc2jc@dmu.ac.uk). Sorry my earlier message was slightly disjointed, I was shattered (I only had 3 hours sleep), felt a bit ill and had a bit of hayfever as well. Bye everyone! See you next year.... (Providing I don't surprise everyone by revealing that I've done a Graham Goring style lazy one year waste.) (Which I don't think I have.. :) ) -- +--------------------------------------------------------+ | The standard signature file.. | +---------------------+----------------+-----------------+ |From : James R Curry | Date : 12th Jun| hc1jc@dmu.ac.uk | +---------------------+----------------+-----------------+ |We have a new contender for worst day at Uni of my life.| +--------------------------------------------------------+ From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed Jun 19 17:07:32 1996 From: James R Curry Organization: Does anyone read this line? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 17:08:11 GMT Subject: VERY FINAL MESSAGE X-Confirm-Reading-To: "James R Curry" X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Message-Id: <2A8DDEC11E4@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 651 Lines: 15 Just to anyone in general. I'm unsubscribing within 3 minutes.. But if anyone wants to keep a copy of everything sent to the list from... NOW! until I get back which I can look at then, then it will be very much appreciated. -- +--------------------------------------------------------+ | The standard signature file.. | +---------------------+----------------+-----------------+ |From : James R Curry | Date : 19th Jun| hc1jc@dmu.ac.uk | +---------------------+----------------+-----------------+ | | +--------------------------------------------------------+ From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed Jun 19 19:56:56 1996 Message-Id: X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 19:56:27 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: IDE interface Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 3291 Lines: 58 >Well, since finals are now out of the way I thought I'd get back to >trying to get my harddrive to work. I got one for my birthday, a 40 meg >Seagate (ST157A). > >Typically, HDOS still wouldn't work properly. So I wrote some routines >to read and write to the drive. Thanks to all the experimentation I've >now got a nice little BIOS which is a nice kernel for all the other >routines. > >I filled each sector with its head, cylinder and sector number and wrote >them to the harddrive. Everything worked fine. I then verified that >they were actually written correctly by reading all the sectors in again >and checking that the contents were correct. This also worked fine. So >I thought it had to be HDOS that was totally stuffed. > >I then wrote a routine to save a screen to the first sectors of the >drive and then load it back in again. So I load up the SAM MOD >player title screen and let the routine do its stuff. Now the little >gremlins enter the stage. Funnily enough, when I try to reload the >screen I sometimes miss the first few bytes of a sector, resulting in >sheered blocks on the screen. Damn! > >To try to figure out where it is going wrong I create a test screen in >which each doublebyte is equal to the screen address offset. Save it, >load it, no problems whatsoever! > >So I tried saving the MOD screen on the old Conner (that has its own >problems), and apart from the odd sector error due to the drive being >crap, there were NO sheered effects. > >What is the problem???? The problem is exactly the same one which plagued our HD interface, but we think we've found a way around it... Not sure though... It seems that the timing of the interface is wrong; the Z80 sends IORQ and ADDRESS before it sends RD or WR. So in order to fix this, we need the IORQ to occur at the same time as the RD or WR (I think -- not sure, but will check later). To do this, you need to stick a 74ls74 into the circuit... I can't post up a schematic, so I'll tell you what needs to go to what input: /IORQ goes to the D input CPUCLK goes to the CK input Vcc to the S and C inputs Q bar output is floating Q output goes to an OR gate (74LS32), the other input being the IORQ line. The output of the OR gate should be used to ENABLE the CS1FX and CS3FX.. you can do this by using the remaining OR gates to OR the output (call it IORQD) with the CS1FX and CS3FX lines before they get to the actual connector. You'll need to cut the tracks to do this. IAN (or any other electronics bods) -- can you verify that this will indeed delay the IORQ line by about 1 or 2 clock cycles? Cheers, Si ps. I accept no responsibility for damage incurred using this mod; it may be completely incorrect. There are also already circuit delays incurred by the address decoding logic on the board (it's possible that Nev sticking some pull-ups might have sorted the missing data problems for some drives... but others may be a bit more finicky about the timings...) +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) -+ | Snail:26 Woodhouse Lane, Sale, Cheshire, M33 4JX Pager*: (01426) 208084| | Tel: (0161) 976 3426 | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc --*55p/min peak, 35p/min offpeak -+ From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu Jun 20 06:32:53 1996 Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 06:09:44 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <16031@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: IDE interface X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 209 Lines: 9 Hust a comment, as I am not intending getting an HD interface.. Surely every interface sold cannot have this problem with timing, or Bob would have had them all back ny now? Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From imc Thu Jun 20 11:40:14 1996 Subject: Re: IDE interface To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 11:40:14 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Simon Cooke" at Jun 19, 96 07:56:27 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 897 Lines: 15 On Wed, 19 Jun 1996 19:56:27 +0100, Simon Cooke said: > It seems that the timing of the interface is wrong; the Z80 sends IORQ and ADDRESS before it sends RD or WR. So in order to fix this, we need the IORQ to occur at the same time as the RD or WR (I think -- not sure, but will check later). To do this, you need to stick a 74ls74 into the circuit... I can't post up a schematic, so I'll tell you what needs to go to what input: Has the return key gone missing on your keyboard? :-) According to my Z80 data sheet, the IORQ and either RD or WR go low within about 20ns of each other, so this sounds unlikely. In any case, if you think the IORQ is happening early why not just OR it with (RD AND WR)? > IAN (or any other electronics bods) -- can you verify that this will indeed > delay the IORQ line by about 1 or 2 clock cycles? I have no idea what a 74ls74 is so I won't comment... imc From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu Jun 20 22:51:11 1996 Date: 20 Jun 96 17:48:09 EDT From: Ian Dalziel <100717.2266@CompuServe.COM> To: SAM-USERS Subject: IDE interface ideas Message-Id: <960620214808_100717.2266_EHU104-1@CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 491 Lines: 22 First idea : If the display is flickering when you use the interface on a SAMbus/TwoUp, connect an external power supply to the pickup on the cards. - Verdict - Good idea. Display returns to crystal clear. Second idea : If there's a problem with the drive connections, rip the IDE interface off while the external supply is still switched on... - Verdict - Bad idea. Bad, bad, BAD idea. Shit. Do I send it back to SD, or to Format, or just use it as an ice hockey puck? Ian From bin@nvg.unit.no Sat Jun 22 00:29:55 1996 Date: 21 Jun 96 16:55:51 EDT From: Gordon Fulton <101507.1677@compuserve.com> To: "Sam-users@nvg.unit.no" Subject: HELP!!! Message-Id: <960621205551_101507.1677_IHJ128-4@CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 330 Lines: 10 Can somebody please help? I've asked once already but I'm at the end of my tether! My coupe will not start up at all. If I put the Printer/Disk interface in the back, the machine still does not start but the reset button then gets it going! The ROM, ASIC and memory are all fine, I swapped them with a working machine! HELP! From bin@nvg.unit.no Sat Jun 22 10:57:05 1996 Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 10:51:02 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <16052@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: HELP!!! X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 556 Lines: 21 In message <960621205551_101507.1677_IHJ128-4@CompuServe.COM> Gordon Fulton writes: > Can somebody please help? I've asked once already but I'm at the end of my > tether! > > My coupe will not start up at all. If I put the Printer/Disk interface in the > back, the machine still does not start but the reset button then gets it going! > The ROM, ASIC and memory are all fine, I swapped them with a working machine! > > HELP! > > > Try a new PSU? Does the disc drive screw up the picture when it runs by any chance? Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From bin@nvg.unit.no Mon Jun 24 09:51:50 1996 From: Mr Andrew M Gale Message-Id: <9606231109.AA13363@central.surrey.ac.uk> Subject: Re: DOSCoupe To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 23 Jun 96 12:09:17 BST In-Reply-To: <15859@bgserv.demon.co.uk>; from "Brian Gaff Sam Dept." at Jun 12, 96 3:24 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 136 Lines: 7 > After all those endless discussions about my C64 is better than > your Spectrum [....] But the C64 *is* better than the spectrum! From bin@nvg.unit.no Mon Jun 24 10:06:27 1996 From: Stephen Longhurst Message-Id: <5291.199606240837@bottom.ecs.soton.ac.uk.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Subject: Can I unsubscribe from the list To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 09:37:52 +0100 (BST) X-Face: #&`gCs"?c:/['#GXXL]]}\"F'nF?5uQa^G6}VA%R;EVq%agZ_*@v2O2R8gs6v]U"]w?3QWY W{>afT>\KD[;a@@4]`X To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Can I unsubscribe from the list X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 491 Lines: 21 > It's been interresting reading about all the Sam stuff for the past couple of > years now, but my university account will soon disappear. Can anyone tell me > the address to send an unsubscribe message too please? > > Cheers very much, > Steve sam-users-request@nvg.unit.no with "unsubscribe" in the body, or majordomo@nvg.unit.no with "unsubscribe sam-users" in the body. Either one should work. To subscribe again when fall comes, just use "subscribe" instead. -Frode From bin@nvg.unit.no Mon Jun 24 10:15:44 1996 From: Colin Anderton Organization: HSH, University of Nottingham To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 18:35:27 GMT0BST Subject: Excuse me Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <4353F47D9@hhn1.hughall.nottingham.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 336 Lines: 8 Look, is anyone going to kick me off this thing? I'm a rude, arrogant bastard and I've got to go home in a couple of days and will get told off if I'm still getting mail. Besides, Colin Macdonald says he'll give me a pay rise if I manage to get kicked off! You wouldn't deny me the chance of a few pittence, would you??? Colin From bin@nvg.unit.no Mon Jun 24 10:47:43 1996 From: Stephen Longhurst Message-Id: <24862.199606240944@servalan.ecs.soton.ac.uk.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Subject: Thanks and bye To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 10:44:05 +0100 (BST) X-Face: #&`gCs"?c:/['#GXXL]]}\"F'nF?5uQa^G6}VA%R;EVq%agZ_*@v2O2R8gs6v]U"]w?3QWY W{>afT>\KD[;a@@4]`X X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 15:57:42 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: IDE interface fix... Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 598 Lines: 10 Hi all... That IDE interface fix I was talking about earlier? Well, I was wrong - it shouldn't be IORQ that is bodged with the 7474 -- rather, it should be the DIOR and DIOW lines. Anyway, it should fix most problems rather nicely - only thing is, I don't have one to test it on :) Si Cooke +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) -+ | Snail:26 Woodhouse Lane, Sale, Cheshire, M33 4JX Pager*: (01426) 208084| | Tel: (0161) 976 3426 | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc --*55p/min peak, 35p/min offpeak -+ From bin@nvg.unit.no Mon Jun 24 16:05:43 1996 Message-Id: X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 15:59:46 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: IDE interface Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1577 Lines: 37 >Status: RO > >On Wed, 19 Jun 1996 19:56:27 +0100, Simon Cooke said: >> It seems that the timing of the interface is wrong; the Z80 sends IORQ and ADDRESS before it sends RD or WR. So in order to fix this, we need the IORQ to occur at the same time as the RD or WR (I think -- not sure, but will check later). To do this, you need to stick a 74ls74 into the circuit... I can't post up a schematic, so I'll tell you what needs to go to what input: > >Has the return key gone missing on your keyboard? :-) Nope - it's just dodgy windows software :) >According to my Z80 data sheet, the IORQ and either RD or WR go low within >about 20ns of each other, so this sounds unlikely. In any case, if you >think the IORQ is happening early why not just OR it with (RD AND WR)? My mistake... what actually needs to happen is the RD and WR lines have to go low at least 70ns after the address is set up on the IDE interface. Therefore, sticking a D-type flip-flop, clocked by the CPU clock, into the DIOR and DIOW paths should provide the necessary delay. >> IAN (or any other electronics bods) -- can you verify that this will indeed >> delay the IORQ line by about 1 or 2 clock cycles? > >I have no idea what a 74ls74 is so I won't comment... Dual, D-type flip flop. :) Si +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) -+ | Snail:26 Woodhouse Lane, Sale, Cheshire, M33 4JX Pager*: (01426) 208084| | Tel: (0161) 976 3426 | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc --*55p/min peak, 35p/min offpeak -+ From imc Mon Jun 24 16:28:50 1996 Subject: Re: IDE interface To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 16:28:50 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Simon Cooke" at Jun 24, 96 03:59:46 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 432 Lines: 11 On Mon, 24 Jun 1996 15:59:46 +0100, Simon Cooke said: > My mistake... what actually needs to happen is the RD and WR lines have to > go low at least 70ns after the address is set up on the IDE interface. Again, the minimum time between the address being stable and the IORQ is listed as 110ns on the Z80B in my datasheet. On the other hand, WR could go low up to 55ns *before* the data is stable! Could that be the problem? imc From bin@nvg.unit.no Mon Jun 24 22:47:59 1996 Message-Id: X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 22:47:42 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: IDE interface Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1385 Lines: 22 >Status: O > >On Mon, 24 Jun 1996 15:59:46 +0100, Simon Cooke said: >> My mistake... what actually needs to happen is the RD and WR lines have to >> go low at least 70ns after the address is set up on the IDE interface. > >Again, the minimum time between the address being stable and the IORQ is >listed as 110ns on the Z80B in my datasheet. Ah, but the IORQ line is needed to decode the address; so in actual fact, the external device will see the address being validated at the same time as WR and RD going low, but it needs a 70ns internal set-up time... so therefore the WR and RD lines going to the IDE interface need to be delayed by at least 70ns. >On the other hand, WR could go low up to 55ns *before* the data is stable! >Could that be the problem? I'm hoping that it won't be... one of the main problems I can see is the RD line being released by the Z80 before the data is validated by the IDE interface (it seems to only guarantee valid data on the falling edge of RD, or shortly after it... could be a problem. I may have just misread the diagrams though). Si +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) -+ | Snail:26 Woodhouse Lane, Sale, Cheshire, M33 4JX Pager*: (01426) 208084| | Tel: (0161) 976 3426 | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc --*55p/min peak, 35p/min offpeak -+ From imc Tue Jun 25 11:54:36 1996 Subject: Re: IDE interface To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:54:36 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Simon Cooke" at Jun 24, 96 10:47:42 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 723 Lines: 17 On Mon, 24 Jun 1996 22:47:42 +0100, Simon Cooke said: > Ah, but the IORQ line is needed to decode the address; so in actual [>] fact, the external device will see the address being validated at the [>] same time as WR and RD going low, but it needs a 70ns internal set-up [>] time... so therefore the WR and RD lines going to the IDE interface [>] need to be delayed by at least 70ns. I'm not sure I understand this. Are you saying that the device requires 70ns after recognising that an I/O is taking place before the WR and RD lines are activated? > >On the other hand, WR could go low up to 55ns *before* the data is stable! > >Could that be the problem? Of course it won't if you delay the WR by 70ns. :-) imc From bin@nvg.unit.no Tue Jun 25 17:06:13 1996 Posted-Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 18:04:56 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <31CEDD33.6D84@pi.net> Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 20:23:48 +0200 From: Stefan Drissen Organization: SOLcorp X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: IDE interface References: <9606241528.AA01506@boothp2.ecs.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1708 Lines: 39 Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk wrote: > > On Mon, 24 Jun 1996 15:59:46 +0100, Simon Cooke said: > > My mistake... what actually needs to happen is the RD and WR lines have to > > go low at least 70ns after the address is set up on the IDE interface. > > Again, the minimum time between the address being stable and the IORQ is > listed as 110ns on the Z80B in my datasheet. > > On the other hand, WR could go low up to 55ns *before* the data is stable! > Could that be the problem? Wouldn't WR only go low when you are trying to write sectors to the harddrive? As far as I can tell, writing to the harddrive works fine, it's the reading that bodges. Repeated reads of the same sector sometimes gives the correct data and usually it doesn't - indicating that the correct data WAS written correctly in the first place. On another note, could someone let Nev Young know about this so that he can FIX his interface design. I wasn't planning on fixing mine since it's got this cute little non-tamperable sticker over it mentioning that I will be voiding my warranty if I remove the sticker. > imc -- Stefan Drissen _____ ___ _ ___ ______ ___ ____ / _// \| | /\ | \ | _/ | /\ | \ _/ aka \_ \| || |__ / \| / | _|| |__ / \| / _| of ENTROPY /____/\___/\____\____\_|_\ |_| \____\____\_|_\___\ / \ / Email: drissen@pi.net http://www.pi.net/~drissen \ / Zevende Herven 6,5232 JZ 's-HERTOGENBOSCH,The Netherlands \ / telephone: +31-73-6414969 \ --------------------------------------------------------------- From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu Jun 27 03:02:37 1996 Message-Id: <31D1EA78.5C1D654A@RMnet.it> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 03:57:12 +0200 From: "A.D.R." Organization: EuroCom Network Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b4Gold (X11; I; Linux 2.0.0 i486) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-list Cc: Simon Cooke Subject: Termite used for websurfing?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 632 Lines: 15 Hi, I just had a look at the Browserwatch statistics page: http://browserwatch.iworld.com/report-table-browsers.shtml There I found an entry of a browser that has identified itself as Termite, maybe this is Simon Cooke's SAM-Termite with slip or ppp working and used as a Internet browser???!!! If yes let us know more about it, Simon! _ (_ i a o, Arne +======================( Arne Di Russo )===========================+ | Roma, Italy (EU) - ar@RMnet.it - http://digiserve.com/ar/ | +==================================================================+ \..................> powered by LINUX 2.0 <....................../ From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu Jun 27 06:03:48 1996 Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 06:00:20 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <16102@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Termite used for websurfing?? X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 102 Lines: 7 I thought this was the Apple package we discussed a few monthe ago? Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri Jun 28 19:08:08 1996 From: Rob Partington Message-Id: <199606281908.TAA00357@heffer.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Termite used for websurfing?? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 19:08:38 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <31D1EA78.5C1D654A@RMnet.it> from "A.D.R." at Jun 27, 96 03:57:12 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 697 Lines: 20 A.D.R. wrote... > > There I found an entry of a browser that has identified itself > as Termite, maybe this is Simon Cooke's SAM-Termite with slip or > ppp working and used as a Internet browser???!!! > If yes let us know more about it, Simon! I think there's an Archimedes browser called 'Termite', isn't there? ObQuestion.1: Is SLIP/PPP available for the Sam/Spectrum? ObQuestion.2: Is the serial port (with the phone style socket) on a 128k +2 a 'standard' RS232 port? -- Rob Partington - rjp@heffer.demon.co.uk - currently unemployed... 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