From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed Jul 3 12:41:10 1996 From: tsp93ma@soton.ac.uk Message-Id: <199607031139.LAA01594@vision.soton.ac.uk> Subject: Prince of Persia To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no (Sam Coupe Mailing List) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 12:39:54 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 486 Lines: 19 Morning all who are still about, Being bored earlier, I was trawling the access logs for soton unis web pages, and I noticed that there was a very high amount of hits for the 'Prince of Persia' reviews, in relation to the rest of my web pages. Anyone know why such a page would be so popular? Incidently, some of the hits are from such distingushed places as harvard, and IBM..... ....@/ -- Tim Paveley B.Sc. (Hons) Sam Coupe Web Pages: http://www.soton.ac.uk/~tsp93ma/Coupe/ From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed Jul 3 13:08:27 1996 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 14:06:29 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9607031206.AA23596@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Prince of Persia X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 570 Lines: 18 > Morning all who are still about, > > Being bored earlier, I was trawling the access logs for soton > unis web pages, and I noticed that there was a very high amount of hits > for the 'Prince of Persia' reviews, in relation to the rest of my web > pages. > > Anyone know why such a page would be so popular? > > Incidently, some of the hits are from such distingushed places > as harvard, and IBM..... To know is something very definite, I can merely guess. :) If you search on 'persia' in Lycos for instance, your page pops up quite near the top. :) -Frode From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed Jul 3 15:30:47 1996 Date: Wed, 03 Jul 1996 14:39:21 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <16192@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Prince of Persia X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 326 Lines: 14 In message <199607031139.LAA01594@vision.soton.ac.uk> tsp93ma@soton.ac.uk writes: > Morning all who are still about, > > Incidently, some of the hits are from such distingushed places > as harvard, and IBM..... > > ....@/ I expect some bright spark has linked to you from an X rated site! Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu Jul 4 10:00:19 1996 Date: 04 Jul 96 04:55:43 EDT From: Christopher White <100606.175@compuserve.com> To: HELLO Subject: Re: Prince of Persia Message-Id: <960704085543_100606.175_BHL56-1@CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 178 Lines: 10 The Reason for this is the release of PoP 2, for the PC,SATURN,PSX Don't panic its not a revisol of the original (BUT I WISH IT WOULD COULD DO WITH SOME CASH) Chris White From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu Jul 4 10:04:16 1996 Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 11:03:38 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9607040903.AA24630@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Prince of Persia X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 221 Lines: 11 > > > The Reason for this is the release of PoP 2, for the PC,SATURN,PSX > > Don't panic its not a revisol of the original > (BUT I WISH IT WOULD COULD DO WITH SOME CASH) Will there be a sequel on the SAM? -Frode From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu Jul 4 13:23:49 1996 Subject: Based On An Idea... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 13:22:24 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <96Jul4.142259+0100met_dst.62584-95+7@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1060 Lines: 44 Hi everyone... The 2nd issue of BOAI should be out by the end of this month... but for the moment, we need news, letters, technical queries - you name it really. If anyone would like to contribute in *any* way (be it an article, a letter, or a question for the help section... or even news on something you've heard about in the SAM world, some new kind of hardware or software which may or may not see the light of day -- anything!) then send your correspondance to: simon.cooke@umist.ac.uk or alternatively to: Simon Cooke 26 Woodhouse Lane Sale Cheshire M33 4JX. If you want to, you can fax stuff in by arranging with me in advance and phoning 0161 976 3426. Looks like a good issue coming up ... Oh yeah, and Martin & Maria have moved, so the new BOAI address is: 38 Squires Lane Astley Tyldesley Manchester (but I can't remember the postcode) The phone number remains the same. Okeydokey then... hope everyone's well and having a good time, and I'll talk to you all soon :) Love n Hugs Si ps. Stefan... any news on that article? Ta. From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu Jul 4 16:26:41 1996 Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 16:26:45 +0100 (BST) From: Tim Paveley To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Sam Coupe Web Pages Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 510 Lines: 15 Hoya all, due to me finishing my degree, I'm losing my soton email address, this means I've had to move my web pages. I'll leave them there until they get wiped, but it should be noted that they now reside at http://www.mono.org/~unc/Coupe/ which is a slightly more tempremental server, but works most of the time. Dispite the org domain, it is Uk based, and I guess I should plug that the disk space has kindly been donated by the MonoChrome BBS, probably the UK's biggest, and best ;) Tim ....@/ From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu Jul 4 16:26:41 1996 Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 16:26:45 +0100 (BST) From: Tim Paveley To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Sam Coupe Web Pages Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 510 Lines: 15 Hoya all, due to me finishing my degree, I'm losing my soton email address, this means I've had to move my web pages. I'll leave them there until they get wiped, but it should be noted that they now reside at http://www.mono.org/~unc/Coupe/ which is a slightly more tempremental server, but works most of the time. Dispite the org domain, it is Uk based, and I guess I should plug that the disk space has kindly been donated by the MonoChrome BBS, probably the UK's biggest, and best ;) Tim ....@/ From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri Jul 5 12:40:50 1996 Posted-Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 13:35:23 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <31DCFC43.778@pi.net> Date: Fri, 05 Jul 1996 13:28:03 +0200 From: Stefan Drissen Organization: SOLcorp X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: SAM users Subject: A Bob quote... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2496 Lines: 55 In the latest issue of Format (June 1996, vol 9, no 10), Bob replies to Jack Bailey in your letters with the following comment on the Disc Protector: "You mention the Disc Protector. Yes, I am aware that some people claim this is a worthwhile addition, but I have never seen any convincing evidence to justify the claims. OK, if you regularly make the mistake of switching your machine on with a disc in the drive, or if you frequently press the reset button in the middle of a disc operation, then maybe - once in a while - you will get a disc corruption. But, if a little common sense is used, I have never know (typo here) a disc to be corrupt in a way that would have been prevented by the Disc Protector." Although Bob generally has his heart in the right place, it is remarks as the above ruin that image. Firstly, why is it a mistake to swtich your machine on with a disc in the drive? On a machine that had been designed properly this should not be a problem. Secondly, you do not need to press the reset button while the drive is operating to corrupt a disc. The disc controller's behaviour is undefined if it does not receive a clock signal - during a reset it can therefore easily write a track. Thirdly, "once in a while", why is it that before I had the DPU I ended up corrupting my discs just about every time I forgot to remove them before resetting? The problem with Bob's reasoning is that he obviously does not use his SAM for serious programming (if he uses it at all!). When doing some (even a little bit of) coding you run into crashes all the time (at least I do!) which can only be helped by resetting the SAM. The whole notion of having to remove the disc before resetting is very very silly - and is at first not a natural habit. On the positive side though was Bob's reply on working up some sort of standard for SAM printer drivers. -- Stefan Drissen _____ ___ _ ___ ______ ___ ____ / _// \| | /\ | \ | _/ | /\ | \ _/ aka \_ \| || |__ / \| / | _|| |__ / \| / _| of ENTROPY /____/\___/\____\____\_|_\ |_| \____\____\_|_\___\ / \ / Email: drissen@pi.net http://www.pi.net/~drissen \ / Zevende Herven 6,5232 JZ 's-HERTOGENBOSCH,The Netherlands \ / telephone: +31-73-6414969 \ --------------------------------------------------------------- From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri Jul 5 17:11:22 1996 Date: 05 Jul 96 08:15:07 EDT From: Christopher White <100606.175@compuserve.com> To: HELLO Subject: Re: Prince of Persia Message-Id: <960705121506_100606.175_BHL122-1@CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 253 Lines: 14 >> >> >> The Reason for this is the release of PoP 2, for the PC,SATURN,PSX >> >> Don't panic its not a revisol of the original >> (BUT I WISH IT WOULD COULD DO WITH SOME CASH) >Will there be a sequel on the SAM? Well who knows ???? Chris Wite From bin@nvg.unit.no Sat Jul 6 09:58:15 1996 Date: Sat, 06 Jul 1996 07:07:22 GMT From: "Brian Gaff Sam Dept." Message-Id: <16229@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: A Bob quote... X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 89 Lines: 8 Fot a stutter, Stefan? :-) 3 messages all the same... Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From bin@nvg.unit.no Sat Jul 6 13:06:21 1996 Date: Sat, 06 Jul 1996 07:04:05 GMT From: "Brian Gaff Sam Dept." Message-Id: <16228@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: A Bob quote... X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 407 Lines: 15 I think yjr problrm with the disc corruption syndrome is that many SAMs are known not to have much of a problem,.while others are dire. If its any help, I reported this fault on the first CHristmas of SAM! Nothing was done then either... I suspect its cost more than anything, that is who we cannot get it sorted. Who would pay for a mod that adds no feature to the SAM? Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From bin@nvg.unit.no Sat Jul 6 16:43:01 1996 Message-Id: <31DE976B.7832@planetconnect.co.uk> Date: Sat, 06 Jul 1996 16:42:19 +0000 From: Allan C Organization: Crashed Magazine X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: XCoupe References: <15539@bgserv.demon.co.uk> <31B5ADDA.5FE@planetconnect.co.uk> <31B482D1.418A@pi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 301 Lines: 12 Stefan Drissen wrote: > You sure have a way of trying to prove that Apple is ahead of it's ti= me > - you're living one day in the future! And I'm also living =A325 in debt to you - that SAMdac you gave me on s= ale or return=20 to review was broken! (And still is). I'll send it to you ASAP. Al. From bin@nvg.unit.no Sat Jul 6 16:48:50 1996 Message-Id: <31DE98B6.1E62@planetconnect.co.uk> Date: Sat, 06 Jul 1996 16:47:50 +0000 From: Allan C Organization: Crashed Magazine X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: XCoupe References: <15767@bgserv.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 584 Lines: 16 Brian Gaff Sam Dept. wrote: > People DO NOT install Linux. Well very few anyway. People are > beginning to not know what DOS is! Here we see the more > adventurous users, but out here is selling land, its Windows and > Win 95. Sad but true. Why is it sad? Let's face it, DOS is pretty neanderthal, and in a time when a lot of people use computers to perform a task and not as a hobby, a GUI interface is much easier to grasp. I've got a friend who is brain-damaged, and he picked up Mac-OS in about five minutes, whereas most experts can't even do DOS proficiently. Al. :) From bin@nvg.unit.no Sat Jul 6 16:57:31 1996 Message-Id: <31DE9ADB.1D89@planetconnect.co.uk> Date: Sat, 06 Jul 1996 16:56:59 +0000 From: Allan C Organization: Crashed Magazine X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: I just don't believe it References: <9606170811.AA19287@asmal.edh-net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 361 Lines: 16 Frode Tenneboe wrote: > > > What is going on??? > > > > What is the world coming to??? > > > > Can you believe the BBC are probably going to axe Cardiac Arrest? I > > don't know, some times people amaze me. It's just not fair. > > What relevance has this got here? :) Colins are the only messages which make me laugh, even a bit. Lighten up, eh? Al. :) From bin@nvg.unit.no Sat Jul 6 17:06:59 1996 Message-Id: <31DE9D0C.4386@planetconnect.co.uk> Date: Sat, 06 Jul 1996 17:06:20 +0000 From: Allan C Organization: Crashed Magazine X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: CRASHED References: <9606170811.AA19287@asmal.edh-net> <31DE9ADB.1D89@planetconnect.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 476 Lines: 24 Crashed issue 15 is out in about a week, with a free SAM or Speccy disk (or Speccy tape) full of exclusive software. Full colour cover, professional design, etc. Crashed, 16 The Avenue, Manston, Leeds, LS15 8JN. Tel. (0113) 232 6726 Fax. (0113) 237 4349 E-mail: crashed@planetconnect.co.uk (but you already know that one...) Send off now! What have you got to lose? 99% of the people who buy an issue end up subscribing, y'know - they can't all be wrong! Al. :) From bin@nvg.unit.no Mon Jul 8 16:47:39 1996 Date: Mon, 08 Jul 1996 16:42:19 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <16264@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Pro Dos Piracy? X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 329 Lines: 10 Bob rang me today to say that he has had some mail from some people who have bought Pro Dos from someone other than me. As far as I know only David Ledbury had this permission for shows ONLY. Can anyone shed some light on this, I want to find out if its true and sort it out with whoever it is. Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From bin@nvg.unit.no Mon Jul 8 17:05:35 1996 Subject: Re: Pro Dos Piracy? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 17:04:00 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <16264@bgserv.demon.co.uk> from "Brian Gaff Sam Dept." at Jul 8, 96 04:42:19 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <96Jul8.180415+0100met_dst.62600-86+12@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 665 Lines: 16 > > Bob rang me today to say that he has had some mail from some > people who have bought Pro Dos from someone other than me. As > far as I know only David Ledbury had this permission for shows > ONLY. Can anyone shed some light on this, I want to find out if > its true and sort it out with whoever it is. AFAIK, Malcolm MacKenzie is selling it under the Persona label... he told me a while ago that he'd arranged something with you about it... (Oh, and if people want me to, it's possible to put it on a ROM, so that you'd have a CPM-only machine, but I've not been doing that, other than on the prototype MultiROM, so it hasn't been sold by me) Si Cooke From bin@nvg.unit.no Mon Jul 8 20:19:20 1996 Posted-Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 21:16:54 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <31DCFC43.778@pi.net> Date: Fri, 05 Jul 1996 13:28:03 +0200 From: Stefan Drissen Organization: SOLcorp X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: SAM users Subject: A Bob quote... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2496 Lines: 55 In the latest issue of Format (June 1996, vol 9, no 10), Bob replies to Jack Bailey in your letters with the following comment on the Disc Protector: "You mention the Disc Protector. Yes, I am aware that some people claim this is a worthwhile addition, but I have never seen any convincing evidence to justify the claims. OK, if you regularly make the mistake of switching your machine on with a disc in the drive, or if you frequently press the reset button in the middle of a disc operation, then maybe - once in a while - you will get a disc corruption. But, if a little common sense is used, I have never know (typo here) a disc to be corrupt in a way that would have been prevented by the Disc Protector." Although Bob generally has his heart in the right place, it is remarks as the above ruin that image. Firstly, why is it a mistake to swtich your machine on with a disc in the drive? On a machine that had been designed properly this should not be a problem. Secondly, you do not need to press the reset button while the drive is operating to corrupt a disc. The disc controller's behaviour is undefined if it does not receive a clock signal - during a reset it can therefore easily write a track. Thirdly, "once in a while", why is it that before I had the DPU I ended up corrupting my discs just about every time I forgot to remove them before resetting? The problem with Bob's reasoning is that he obviously does not use his SAM for serious programming (if he uses it at all!). When doing some (even a little bit of) coding you run into crashes all the time (at least I do!) which can only be helped by resetting the SAM. The whole notion of having to remove the disc before resetting is very very silly - and is at first not a natural habit. On the positive side though was Bob's reply on working up some sort of standard for SAM printer drivers. -- Stefan Drissen _____ ___ _ ___ ______ ___ ____ / _// \| | /\ | \ | _/ | /\ | \ _/ aka \_ \| || |__ / \| / | _|| |__ / \| / _| of ENTROPY /____/\___/\____\____\_|_\ |_| \____\____\_|_\___\ / \ / Email: drissen@pi.net http://www.pi.net/~drissen \ / Zevende Herven 6,5232 JZ 's-HERTOGENBOSCH,The Netherlands \ / telephone: +31-73-6414969 \ --------------------------------------------------------------- From bin@nvg.unit.no Tue Jul 9 06:44:49 1996 Date: Tue, 09 Jul 1996 05:42:30 GMT From: "Brian Gaff Sam Dept." Message-Id: <16280@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Pro Dos Piracy? X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 177 Lines: 8 Can you give me his nimber Simon? I only gave DAvid permissuion, and for showa only. I have never heard of this guy. Is he connected to David? Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From bin@nvg.unit.no Tue Jul 9 14:07:14 1996 Message-Id: X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 09 Jul 1996 14:06:28 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Pro Dos Piracy? Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 705 Lines: 19 >Status: > >Can you give me his nimber Simon? I only gave DAvid permissuion, >and for showa only. I have never heard of this guy. Is he >connected to David? He can be found on: 0161 797 0651 (Malcolm MacKenzie, 31 Ashwood Drive, Brandleshome, Bury, Lancs, BL8 1HF) He's connected to David, so whether Dave's got the wrong end of the stick... (which is *VERY* likely, knowing Dave). Cheers, Si +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) -+ | Snail:26 Woodhouse Lane, Sale, Cheshire, M33 4JX Pager*: (01426) 208084| | Tel: (0161) 976 3426 | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc --*55p/min peak, 35p/min offpeak -+ From bin@nvg.unit.no Tue Jul 9 15:19:53 1996 From: Fraggle Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 15:16:32 GMT+0 Subject: Hardware X-Confirm-Reading-To: "Fraggle" X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.30 Message-Id: <937A5415D71@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 507 Lines: 40 Hi, Does anyone know where I can buy a Sam disk drive (or repair one) from, I'm trying to upgrade my basic sam, atm it's just a 256K with a broken drive and the bug fix rom. =================== Christian Cable c.f.cable@uclan.ac.uk =================== ^ ^ oOOO ( .) (. ) OOOo o \ ___________ | | | bye | |___________| From bin@nvg.unit.no Tue Jul 9 17:23:50 1996 Posted-Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 18:22:09 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <31E28649.26E7@pi.net> Date: Tue, 09 Jul 1996 18:18:17 +0200 From: Stefan Drissen Organization: SOLcorp X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: A Bob quote... References: <16229@bgserv.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 919 Lines: 25 Brian Gaff Sam Dept. wrote: > Fot a stutter, Stefan? :-) > > 3 messages all the same... N-n-n-ot that I know of. There was a bit of a problem getting that message sent. My outbox was not emptied and there was no communication going on between the POP server and me.... apparently the message was delivered though. -- Stefan Drissen _____ ___ _ ___ ______ ___ ____ / _// \| | /\ | \ | _/ | /\ | \ _/ aka \_ \| || |__ / \| / | _|| |__ / \| / _| of ENTROPY /____/\___/\____\____\_|_\ |_| \____\____\_|_\___\ / \ / Email: drissen@pi.net http://www.pi.net/~drissen \ / Zevende Herven 6,5232 JZ 's-HERTOGENBOSCH,The Netherlands \ / telephone: +31-73-6414969 \ --------------------------------------------------------------- From bin@nvg.unit.no Tue Jul 9 17:23:51 1996 Posted-Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 18:22:19 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <31E28708.CDC@pi.net> Date: Tue, 09 Jul 1996 18:21:28 +0200 From: Stefan Drissen Organization: SOLcorp X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: A Bob quote... References: <16228@bgserv.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1202 Lines: 29 Brian Gaff Sam Dept. wrote: > I suspect its cost more than anything, that is who we cannot get > it sorted. Who would pay for a mod that adds no feature to the > SAM? Since the Disc Protector unit consists of nothing but a cheap crystal clock and a few bits of wire I can't see the cost being the problem. A small redesign would probably have been able to fix the problem too - simply ensure that the clock still gets its power when a reset is performed. (IMHO as non-electronics bod). As to paying for a mod that adds no feature.... it sure gets rid of a very very very annoying "feature". :) -- Stefan Drissen _____ ___ _ ___ ______ ___ ____ / _// \| | /\ | \ | _/ | /\ | \ _/ aka \_ \| || |__ / \| / | _|| |__ / \| / _| of ENTROPY /____/\___/\____\____\_|_\ |_| \____\____\_|_\___\ / \ / Email: drissen@pi.net http://www.pi.net/~drissen \ / Zevende Herven 6,5232 JZ 's-HERTOGENBOSCH,The Netherlands \ / telephone: +31-73-6414969 \ --------------------------------------------------------------- From bin@nvg.unit.no Tue Jul 9 18:12:12 1996 Message-Id: <199607091822.SAA23681@mail.enterprise.net> X-Authentication-Warning: mail.enterprise.net: Host max02-085.enterprise.net didn't use HELO protocol From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave Whitmore) Subject: Pro Dos Piracy? Date: 08 Jul 1996 18:57:20 References: <16264@bgserv.demon.co.uk> X-Newsreader: Spot 1.3/NetGate 1.1 Mime-Version: 1.1 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 580 Lines: 22 In a message of 08 Jul 96 Brian Gaff Sam Dept. wrote to me: Hi Brian, BGS> Bob rang me today to say that he has had some mail from some people who BGS> have bought Pro Dos from someone other than me. As far as I know only Can't Bob tell you who they are? :) I always thought that releasing the LITE version was asking for trouble though. A manual on a disk for a commercial program is a pretty bad idea IMO. I bought my own copy (with the proper manual) from Colin Macdonald, a long time ago. :) Bye, _ |_)ave (/\)hitmore email - davewhitmore@enterprise.net From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed Jul 10 08:47:58 1996 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 06:23:23 GMT From: "Brian Gaff Sam Dept." Message-Id: <16303@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Pro Dos Piracy? X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 293 Lines: 8 There was no way I could get the manuals made at the time. I am not against the selling, just the fact that I do not know about it and if there are problems, I am the one they write to! Brian PS Nvgs smtp keeps chucking me off... Sending this to the Demon Gateway.. -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed Jul 10 20:46:58 1996 Message-Id: X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 20:46:16 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Elite on the SAM Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 454 Lines: 12 HI all, According to the latest FORMAT, Revelation have the rights to the SAM version of Elite... Anyone got any more details/info on this? Simon +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) -+ | Snail:26 Woodhouse Lane, Sale, Cheshire, M33 4JX Pager*: (01426) 208084| | Tel: (0161) 976 3426 | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc --*55p/min peak, 35p/min offpeak -+ From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed Jul 10 23:00:53 1996 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Dean Liversidge Organization: The Mad House To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 22:05:02 +0000 Subject: Re: Hardware Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.32a) Message-Id: <837033154.23864.0@error.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 978 Lines: 24 > Hi, > Does anyone know where I can buy a Sam disk drive (or repair one) > from, I'm trying to upgrade my basic sam, atm it's just a 256K with a > broken drive and the bug fix rom. > It all depends on how good you are with a soldering iron ??? If it is just your drive mechanism that is faulty, then it is possible to remove the drive interface from the standard drive and connect it to a standard IBM PC type drive (1.44Meg) available new for about 20 quid and fit both inside the SAM case as normal. Or Format Publication sell 'upgrade' kits for 30 or 40 quid, kit or built. plus a new drive as above. Hope that helps. -- Dean Liversidge .__ . , Co-Sysop of Dalmation BBS | \ _.|._ _ _.-+-* _ ._ The First SAM Bulletin Board |__/(_]|[ | )(_] | |(_)[ ) Saturday 12:00pm till midnight. >>>>>>> +44 1744 614150 >>>>>> Sysop: Dave Whitmore From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri Jul 12 01:14:00 1996 Path: esoftc.seuk.com!paul.walker From: paul walker Date: 09 Jul 96 15:29:53 +0000 Subject: XCoupe Message-Id: <7b0_9607120055@seuk.com> Organization: SEUK, Guildford, UK In-Reply-To: 31DE98B6.1E62@planetconnect.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 422 Lines: 13 c> Why is it sad? Let's face it, DOS is pretty neanderthal, and in a Personally I prefer DOS, but this isn't really the place to go into it! :) Paul << paul.walker@esoftc.seuk.com >> CR: The Snow Queen [**** ] NP: A Day At the Races : Queen ... "The more RAM you have, the better", M. Chambers --- WAAARGH! The Orks! -- Standard disclaimer: My views are strictly my own. From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri Jul 12 02:29:50 1996 Path: esoftc.seuk.com!paul.walker From: paul walker Date: 09 Jul 96 15:26:05 +0000 Subject: A Bob quote... Message-Id: <7af_9607120055@seuk.com> Organization: SEUK, Guildford, UK In-Reply-To: 31DCFC43.778@pi.net To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 572 Lines: 15 drissen@pi.net: d> On the positive side though was Bob's reply on working up some sort d> of standard for SAM printer drivers. Yes, he mentioned printer drivers, but he did nothing to help the person whose letter he was supposed to be answering! In fact, he seemed to use the letter to go off at a tangent. :/ Paul << paul.walker@esoftc.seuk.com >> CR: The Snow Queen [**** ] NP: A Day At the Races : Queen ... Stranger in a Strange Land. --- WAAARGH! The Orks! -- Standard disclaimer: My views are strictly my own. From bin@nvg.unit.no Mon Jul 15 22:41:47 1996 Message-Id: <199607152252.WAA00231@mail.enterprise.net> X-Authentication-Warning: mail.enterprise.net: Host max02-066.enterprise.net didn't use HELO protocol From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave Whitmore) Subject: Dalmation Date: 15 Jul 1996 22:37:01 X-Newsreader: Spot 1.3/NetGate 1.1 Mime-Version: 1.1 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 382 Lines: 15 Hi, I've decided to forward all mail from the SAM Users mailing list into a mail area on Dalmation BBS. I'll forward any replies from the BBS to the mailing list. Regards, _ |_)ave (/\)hitmore email - davewhitmore@enterprise.net Sysop: Dalmation BBS. 1ST4SAM. UK 01744 614150. Saturdays + mail times (specified on BBS) only. From bin@nvg.unit.no Sun Jul 21 09:10:11 1996 Date: 21 Jul 96 04:06:45 EDT From: Ian Dalziel <100717.2266@CompuServe.COM> To: SAM Users Subject: The sound of silence Message-Id: <960721080644_100717.2266_EHU45-1@CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 167 Lines: 12 Has it all gone quiet or have I been unsubscribed again? Or is no-one talking to me 'cos I was rude to Colin? (sob) Ian E-mail from: Ian Dalziel, 21-Jul-1996 From imc Sun Jul 21 12:32:18 1996 Subject: It's all gone quiet over there... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 12:32:18 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <960721080644_100717.2266_EHU45-1@CompuServe.COM> from "Ian Dalziel" at Jul 21, 96 04:06:45 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 127 Lines: 6 On 21 Jul 96 04:06:45 EDT, Ian Dalziel said: > Has it all gone quiet or have I been unsubscribed again? Quiet, I think. imc From bin@nvg.unit.no Mon Jul 22 09:57:05 1996 Message-Id: <199607220855.KAA08452@dxmint.cern.ch> From: Allan Skillman Subject: XCoupe update To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 22 Jul 96 10:55:34 METDST Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1772 Lines: 35 Hello everyone (well everyone who is still out there) Well in between looking for W bosons at LEP 2 (or perhaps that should be bottles of Beer :), I've been working on the Emulator. I've got it up and running on A Linux Console display now (usually referred to as a VGAlib version by Linux guys). In the midst of the conversion I cam up with a completely new way of coding the SAM display driver, one which allows both vmpr, clut and border changes to work smoothly and about 100 times faster than the old code. This means programs which do fancy screen page/mode changes work now. In fact The Lyra 3 runs straight off the SAM disk on the emulator - I'm pretty proud of that. With the advent of this version (and possibly Chris White's DOS version) I've changed the name from XCoupe to SimCoupe - what do you think (I'm still open to ideas aboout the name if anyone has any suggestions) I haven't left the X11 users out in the cold either - I'm going to convert the new code back to X as soon as I get some spare time. Look out for a new release in the next couple of weeks cheers Allan +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Now available! XCoupe, the one and only SAM Coupe emulator | | *** http://www.hep.ucl.ac.uk/~ajs/xcoupe *** | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ | Allan Skillman | "There are five flavours of resons, the | | HEPP Group | elementary particles of magic : up, down, | | University College London | sideways, sex-appeal and peppermint." | | Email : ajs@hep.ucl.ac.uk | - Terry Pratchett (Lords and Ladies) | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ From bin@nvg.unit.no Mon Jul 22 15:10:51 1996 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960722141043.00669438@mail.enterprise.net> X-Sender: ffyon@mail.enterprise.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 15:10:43 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Mark Walker Subject: Re: XCoupe update Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 418 Lines: 13 >With the advent of this version (and possibly Chris White's DOS version) I've >changed the name from XCoupe to SimCoupe - what do you think (I'm still open >to ideas aboout the name if anyone has any suggestions) Anyone know if, and where, I can get hold of the DOS SAM emulator. Sorry people, but I sold my SAM. :( I intend to buy another one, though, if that helps my case (when I get a job, that is). Mark From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed Jul 24 19:11:05 1996 From: Gavin Smith To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 18:58:58 GMT+1 Subject: Sam Elite! X-Confirm-Reading-To: "Gavin Smith" X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-Id: <9858C247B0@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 120 Lines: 3 I am considering *shock horror* buying a Sam Elite - so any reasons why I shouldn't before I waste 200 quid on it...? From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed Jul 24 23:29:14 1996 Message-Id: <31F6A1F7.24FB575C@RMnet.it> Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 00:21:43 +0200 From: "A.D.R." Organization: EuroCom Network Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b5Gold (X11; I; Linux 2.0.0 i486) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam Elite! References: <9858C247B0@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 680 Lines: 18 Gavin Smith wrote: > > I am considering *shock horror* buying a Sam Elite - so any reasons > why I shouldn't before I waste 200 quid on it...? My sister has one and I haven't noticed any difference compared to my january 1990 SAM (of course there's the parallel port on the back on the Elite). I dunno if there may be problems with 2 drives but with one drive everything is fine. _ (_ i a o, Arne %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%( Arne Di Russo )%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% | Roma, Italy (EU) - ar@RMnet.it - http://digiserve.com/ar/ | %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% \...................> powered by LINUX 2.0 <......................./ From bin@nvg.unit.no Sun Jul 28 04:29:11 1996 Date: 27 Jul 96 23:26:46 EDT From: Christopher White <100606.175@compuserve.com> To: HELLO Subject: Re: XCoupe update Message-Id: <960728032646_100606.175_BHL7-1@CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 184 Lines: 10 >> Where Is Dos Coupe I am currently working on it, But due to moveing house soon, It will be put to one side but there sould be a beta version by the end of October Chris White From bin@nvg.unit.no Sun Jul 28 07:03:14 1996 Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 06:59:43 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <16504@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: XCoupe update X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 345 Lines: 18 In message <960728032646_100606.175_BHL7-1@CompuServe.COM> Christopher White writes: > > >> Where Is Dos Coupe > > I am currently working on it, But due to moveing house soon, It will be put to > one side > but there sould be a beta version by the end of October > > Chris White > > > Sounds good to mw! Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From bin@nvg.unit.no Mon Jul 29 14:29:56 1996 Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 15:28:53 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9607291328.AA06684@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Receivership X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 226 Lines: 9 Just back from hols. During which I received a not from some lawyers in Swansea about a receivership of a company called Sam Computers Ltd. Does anybody know anything more? Their assests were ridiculously small.... -Frode From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed Jul 31 07:36:36 1996 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 06:58:29 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <16536@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Receivership X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 694 Lines: 25 In message <9607291328.AA06684@asmal.edh-net> ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) writes: > Just back from hols. > > During which I received a not from some lawyers in Swansea > about a receivership of a company called Sam Computers Ltd. > Does anybody know anything more? Their assests were ridiculously > small.... > > -Frode > > This was the company Alan Miles used to try to keep SAM going after the banks closed MGT down. He had to call it a day when the local authority discivered he was personally liable for the ubit they were using. This is a VERY simple explanation of a complex issue, so appologies to those who already know the full story. Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed Jul 31 07:45:03 1996 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 08:44:32 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9607310644.AA07883@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Receivership X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 686 Lines: 22 > > During which I received a not from some lawyers in Swansea > > about a receivership of a company called Sam Computers Ltd. > > Does anybody know anything more? Their assests were ridiculously > > small.... > > > > -Frode > > > > > This was the company Alan Miles used to try to keep SAM going > after the banks closed MGT down. > > He had to call it a day when the local authority discivered he > was personally liable for the ubit they were using. > > This is a VERY simple explanation of a complex issue, so > appologies to those who already know the full story. Now after all this time? I seem to remember receiving a similar document some years back for SAMCo. -Frode From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed Jul 31 07:49:16 1996 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 08:48:20 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9607310648.AA07892@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Elite on the SAM X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 361 Lines: 12 > HI all, > > According to the latest FORMAT, Revelation have the rights to the SAM version of Elite... > > Anyone got any more details/info on this? I'd sure like to get some more infor on this. Last time I was in contact with David Braben about this I got a very loud 'No'. Did somebody sell their body for it? Who's doing the conversion anyway? -Frode From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed Jul 31 07:58:48 1996 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 07:58:01 +0100 (BST) From: Tim Wells To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Receivership In-Reply-To: <9607310644.AA07883@asmal.edh-net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 392 Lines: 11 > Now after all this time? I seem to remember receiving > a similar document some years back for SAMCo. Yes - this is SAMCo. The last document was something like - 'We are liquidating SAMCo, do they owe you anything?' This one says - 'We have liquidated SAMCo. Oh, look - Their assets just cover the liquidators fee. We are calling a final meeting to say - tough luck creditors.' Tim. From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed Jul 31 08:04:47 1996 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 09:04:14 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9607310704.AA07900@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Receivership X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 542 Lines: 13 > > Now after all this time? I seem to remember receiving > > a similar document some years back for SAMCo. > > Yes - this is SAMCo. The last document was something like - 'We are > liquidating SAMCo, do they owe you anything?' This one says - 'We have > liquidated SAMCo. Oh, look - Their assets just cover the liquidators fee. > We are calling a final meeting to say - tough luck creditors.' Thank you. Legal mumbo-jumbo. But believe me, legal mumbo-jumbo is even worse in French. They surely took their time. Why the delay? -Frode From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed Jul 31 11:27:59 1996 Message-Id: X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 11:26:50 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Elite on the SAM Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2151 Lines: 24 >> HI all, >> >> According to the latest FORMAT, Revelation have the rights to the SAM version of Elite... >> >> Anyone got any more details/info on this? > >I'd sure like to get some more infor on this. Last time I was in contact >with David Braben about this I got a very loud 'No'. Did somebody sell their >body for it? Who's doing the conversion anyway? All I know is that Revelation's doing it, and as Revelation has never shown any consideration for copyright in the past, it's probably going to be Elite, but either (a) not called Elite, or (b) a patched convert of the Speccy original. Done illegally. Sorry to anyone who has faith in Revelation, but as when SAMCo went down, there were 200 BOXED copies of Prince of Persia which went to them, which they must have sold, and then there were all the illegally boxed copies (ie Domark didn't get anything for them), ALL OF WHICH Chris White didn't get a bean for, not to mention all of the other copyright abuses which they're responsible for (Manic Miner - Matthew Holt ain't received a dime, Persona own the full rights to do with it what they want - including giving it away free if they like), The Sound Machine - copyright owned by Persona, Enigma Variations games - license rights owned by Persona, Batz 'n' Balls - copyright owned by Persona... if anyone needs any more, I'll dig out the info. But needless to say, I also know that a *LOT* of programmers haven't received *ANY* payment for their work since SAMCo went down -- even though there are plenty of copies of things being sold. I'm pig sick of this "fuck the programmers - they only wrote the game, so they're not as important as us" attitude that Revelation seems to have had. The question now is: Is it worth talking to David Braben or Ian Bell about this conversion of Elite, or should we keep quiet? Simon Cooke +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) -+ | Snail:26 Woodhouse Lane, Sale, Cheshire, M33 4JX Pager*: (01426) 208084| | Tel: (0161) 976 3426 | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc --*55p/min peak, 35p/min offpeak -+ From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed Jul 31 11:48:58 1996 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 12:48:54 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9607311048.AA08301@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Elite on the SAM X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2105 Lines: 29 Mind your line length Simon. :) > >I'd sure like to get some more infor on this. Last time I was in contact > >with David Braben about this I got a very loud 'No'. Did somebody sell their > >body for it? Who's doing the conversion anyway? > > All I know is that Revelation's doing it, and as Revelation has never shown any consideration for copyright in the past, it's probably going to be Elite, but either (a) not called Elite, or (b) a patched convert of the Speccy original. Done illegally. > Who or what is Revelation? I only thought of it as a distribution company. > Sorry to anyone who has faith in Revelation, but as when SAMCo went down, there were 200 BOXED copies of Prince of Persia which went to them, which they must have sold, and then there were all the illegally boxed copies (ie Domark didn't get anything for them), ALL OF WHICH Chris White didn't get a bean for, not to mention all of the other copyright abuses which they're responsible for (Manic Miner - Matthew Holt ain't received a dime, Persona own the full rights to do with it what they want - including giving it away free if they like), The Sound Machine - copyright owned by Persona, Enigma Variations games - license rights owned by Persona, Batz 'n' Balls - copyright owned by Persona... if anyone needs any more, I'll dig out the info. But needless to say, I also know that a *LOT* of programmers haven't received *ANY* payment for their work since SAMCo went down -- even though there are plenty of copies of things being sold. Who or what is Persona? How are Revelation going to recruit coders for the Elite conversion if they have a reputation of not paying up? > > I'm pig sick of this "fuck the programmers - they only wrote the game, so they're not as important as us" attitude that Revelation seems to have had. > > The question now is: Is it worth talking to David Braben or Ian Bell about this conversion of Elite, or should we keep quiet? I was in touch with Ian Bell some moons back, again about the conversion. All he said was "I'll come back to you" and I never heard from him again. -Frode From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed Jul 31 12:37:48 1996 Message-Id: X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 12:36:29 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Elite on the SAM Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 3144 Lines: 68 >Mind your line length Simon. :) Argh! I didn't have word-wrap switched on! > >> >I'd sure like to get some more infor on this. Last time I was in contact >> >with David Braben about this I got a very loud 'No'. Did somebody sell their >> >body for it? Who's doing the conversion anyway? >> >> All I know is that Revelation's doing it, and as Revelation has never shown any consideration for copyright in the past, it's probably going to be Elite, but either (a) not called Elite, or (b) a patched convert of the Speccy original. Done illegally. >> > >Who or what is Revelation? I only thought of it as a distribution >company. Well, they do the duplication of the games, pay the programmers, pay whoever owns the rights, etc. Theoretically, of course. >> Sorry to anyone who has faith in Revelation, but as when SAMCo went down, there were 200 BOXED copies of Prince of Persia which went to them, which they must have sold, and then there were all the illegally boxed copies (ie Domark didn't get anything for them), ALL OF WHICH Chris White didn't get a bean for, not to mention all of the other copyright abuses which they're responsible for (Manic Miner - Matthew Holt ain't received a dime, Persona own the full rights to do with it what they want - including giving it away free if they like), The Sound Machine - copyright owned by Persona, Enigma Variations games - license rights owned by Persona, Batz 'n' Balls - copyright owned by Persona... if anyone needs any more, I'll dig out the info. But needless to say, I also know that a *LOT* of programmers haven't received *ANY* payment for their work since SAMCo went down -- even though there are plenty of copies of things being sold. > >Who or what is Persona? Persona is Malcolm MacKenzie's company, which owns the rights to a lot of SAM Games & Utilities now (bought directly from the programmers) >How are Revelation going to recruit coders for the Elite conversion if >they have a reputation of not paying up? >From the fact that it was advertised in FORMAT, I assume that it has already been done. Also, most people don't KNOW about the fact that Revelation treats people badly. >> I'm pig sick of this "fuck the programmers - they only wrote the game, so they're not as important as us" attitude that Revelation seems to have had. >> >> The question now is: Is it worth talking to David Braben or Ian Bell about this conversion of Elite, or should we keep quiet? > >I was in touch with Ian Bell some moons back, again about the >conversion. All he said was "I'll come back to you" and I never >heard from him again. Hmmmmmm.... well, when and if it comes out, I'll buy a copy. And then I'll check with the people on the box to see if an agreement has been made. If there hasn't, then I'll have words with Revelation. I'm sick of their attitude. Si Cooke +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) -+ | Snail:26 Woodhouse Lane, Sale, Cheshire, M33 4JX Pager*: (01426) 208084| | Tel: (0161) 976 3426 | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc --*55p/min peak, 35p/min offpeak -+ From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed Jul 31 13:09:21 1996 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 14:08:44 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9607311208.AA08481@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Elite on the SAM X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2061 Lines: 54 >Mind your line length Simon. :) > > Argh! I didn't have word-wrap switched on! There you go. People are getting lazier every minute.... :) > >Who or what is Revelation? I only thought of it as a distribution > >company. > > Well, they do the duplication of the games, pay the programmers, pay whoever > owns the rights, etc. Theoretically, of course. But do you know who is responsible? Bob? > >Who or what is Persona? > > Persona is Malcolm MacKenzie's company, which owns the rights to a lot of > SAM Games & Utilities now (bought directly from the programmers) Gee...where have I been. Never heard about him (me thinks). Anyway, things seems to lighten up a little now. Finally, I've found a new place to move into. Then I'll spend another month or so (well, the initial estimage is a month anyway) redecorating the place. Then I will have my own 'recreation room' where my SAMs will have a central place. > > >How are Revelation going to recruit coders for the Elite conversion if > >they have a reputation of not paying up? > > From the fact that it was advertised in FORMAT, I assume that it has already > been done. Also, most people don't KNOW about the fact that Revelation > treats people badly. > > >> I'm pig sick of this "fuck the programmers - they only wrote the game, so > they're not as important as us" attitude that Revelation seems to have had. > >> > >> The question now is: Is it worth talking to David Braben or Ian Bell > about this conversion of Elite, or should we keep quiet? > > > >I was in touch with Ian Bell some moons back, again about the > >conversion. All he said was "I'll come back to you" and I never > >heard from him again. > > Hmmmmmm.... well, when and if it comes out, I'll buy a copy. And then I'll > check with the people on the box to see if an agreement has been made. If > there hasn't, then I'll have words with Revelation. I'm sick of their attitude. I'd sure like to see a conversion of Elite. And will buy a copy when it is released. If it's not good enough, I'll do my own. :) -Frode From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed Jul 31 15:44:49 1996 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 15:29:06 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <16551@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Elite on the SAM X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 923 Lines: 33 Maybe you should all go down and confront Revelation in person and demand a statement of sales of your copyright material. Trouble is, I suspect what is going on is that there are boxes of software that gets shipped and nobody is counting anything but the money... The snag is that you can point at all the piracy of Spectrum gasmes and ask why these companies do not act. If they won't, what chance do a few individualy stand? Besides, the people you would be trying to get money from are pretty skint, and even if you won, your lokelyhood of getting any cash is pretty remote, a but like SamcO, the legal proffession always pay themselves first! Bit like us and Epic over Z80. I got my way, but much bad feeling and no money! If you think the Elite copyright holder has the money, use him as a blunderbus! I agree it stinks, but its how the world is, people look after No.1... Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu Aug 1 05:38:54 1996 Date: wed, 31 Jul 1996 18:29:59 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <16552@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Elite on the SAM X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 302 Lines: 12 PS, what I really would like to see is an end to the bickering over things like this. The views expressed on the last message are based purely on what was posted. I guess what I am trying to say is that its a pity that the other side of the story has no voice here. Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept.