From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri Aug 2 21:48:59 1996 Date: Fri, 02 Aug 1996 21:45:16 +0200 (BST) From: David Gommeren Subject: Re: Elite on the SAM To: Sam List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 0.99j] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1498 Lines: 32 On Wed 31 Jul, Simon Cooke wrote: > iations games - license rights owned by Persona, Batz 'n' Balls - copyright owned by P What, does anyone remember B&B? I always thought people found B&B a little bit hard to play (even with mouse? I can get to level 8 or so with mouse, so why complain?). I could chew out an easier-to-play-for-joystick version at anytime of the day. Are people interested in this? Is there any interest in Sam games anywhere? I still have got a couple in the pipe-line (but no time to write, I just got back from Berlin and tommorow I have to drive to the UK - Corby area, if someone is interested - and this has been for the last 3 years or so, and will remain like this for, oh, too long to care) > I'm pig sick of this "fuck the programmers - they only wrote the game, so they're not > as important as us" attitude that Revelation seems to have had. I am lucky I did ask for some advance payment (250 GPB if a remember well). But ok, I enjoyed programming the game (probably more than you enjoyed playing it). Does anyone now how many copies are sold? > The question now is: Is it worth talking to David Braben or Ian Bell about this conver > sion of Elite, or should we keep quiet? If David Braben says "No!", why bother him? After all, the Spectrum version was the best conversion made, so why do we need an other one (or do we?). Sorry, for the mis-use of your time, but this is just something I wanted to write, thank you. David Gommeren (gommerd@interpac.be) From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri Aug 2 22:10:34 1996 From: Gavin Smith To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 22:01:11 GMT+1 Subject: Re:Elite on the Sam X-Confirm-Reading-To: "Gavin Smith" X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-Id: <1735CFC18F5@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 803 Lines: 16 Personally I'm REALLY looking forward to Elite on the Sam, especially as it was such a shock when I found out it was coming. I am however shocked that Revelation apparently haven't got permission to publish it. This has surprised me cos as far as I can work out, Revelation is basically Bob Brenchley or at least he has a lot do with it. Bob has always taken such a high moral ground over everything - Spectrum games on the net etc. I had a thought today! *shock horror* Can't someone afford to buy out West Coast Computers from Bob?? A group of die-hard Sam owners?? Come on! It can't cost that much! Especially not now!! Then Sam could get moving again :)) Just a thought...oh, and if someone does buy out WCC, for God's sake rename it Sam Coupe and get rid of that horrible WCC logo... From bin@nvg.unit.no Mon Aug 5 07:38:09 1996 Path: esoftc.seuk.com!paul.walker From: paul walker Date: 04 Aug 96 14:18:16 +0000 Subject: Elite on the Sam Message-Id: Organization: SEUK, Guildford, UK In-Reply-To: 1735CFC18F5@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 365 Lines: 12 SG> I had a thought today! *shock horror* Can't someone afford to buy out SG> West Coast Computers from Bob?? A group of die-hard Sam owners?? Come The question isn't whether someone can afford it, but whether they'd sell. :( Another project to wait until I win the lottery... Paul --- WAAARGH! The Orks! -- Standard disclaimer: My views are strictly my own. From bin@nvg.unit.no Mon Aug 5 08:27:35 1996 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 09:27:22 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9608050727.AA11594@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Elite on the SAM X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1462 Lines: 33 > On Wed 31 Jul, Simon Cooke wrote: > > iations games - license rights owned by Persona, Batz 'n' Balls - copyright owned by P > > What, does anyone remember B&B? I always thought people found B&B a little > bit hard to play (even with mouse? I can get to level 8 or so with mouse, so > why complain?). I could chew out an easier-to-play-for-joystick version at > anytime of the day. Are people interested in this? Is there any interest in > Sam games anywhere? I still have got a couple in the pipe-line (but no time > to write, I just got back from Berlin and tommorow I have to drive to the UK > - Corby area, if someone is interested - and this has been for the last 3 > years or so, and will remain like this for, oh, too long to care) How about an easier-to-play-for-keyboard version? Can you do that without infriging copyright, which of course morally belongs to you, but legally...? > > The question now is: Is it worth talking to David Braben or Ian Bell about this conver > > sion of Elite, or should we keep quiet? > > If David Braben says "No!", why bother him? After all, the Spectrum version > was the best conversion made, so why do we need an other one (or do we?). The point was if we should tell DB or IB about Revelation's plans or keep quiet until the license is here.... > > Sorry, for the mis-use of your time, but this is just something I wanted to > write, thank you. Nonsens, your contributions are very welcome here. -Frode From bin@nvg.unit.no Tue Aug 6 18:40:58 1996 Date: Tue, 06 Aug 1996 19:39:38 +0200 (BST) From: David Gommeren Subject: Re: Elite on the SAM To: Sam List In-Reply-To: <9608050727.AA11594@asmal.edh-net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 0.99j] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1845 Lines: 40 On Mon 05 Aug, Frode Tenneboe wrote: > > On Wed 31 Jul, Simon Cooke wrote: > > > iations games - license rights owned by Persona, Batz 'n' Balls - copyright owned > by P > > > > What, does anyone remember B&B? I always thought people found B&B a little > > bit hard to play (even with mouse? I can get to level 8 or so with mouse, so > > why complain?). I could chew out an easier-to-play-for-joystick version at > > anytime of the day. Are people interested in this? Is there any interest in > > Sam games anywhere? I still have got a couple in the pipe-line (but no time > > to write, I just got back from Berlin and tommorow I have to drive to the UK > > - Corby area, if someone is interested - and this has been for the last 3 > > years or so, and will remain like this for, oh, too long to care) > > How about an easier-to-play-for-keyboard version? Can you do that > without infriging copyright, which of course morally belongs to you, > but legally...? Just for your information, I recevied a message on my answering machine from no one less then Malcolm McKenzie, who owns the copyright, and he asked if I could change the logo on the master-disc. I will as soon as I have a bitmap of it. At the same time I will remove the silly copy-protection (to simplify duplication), and maybe, just maybe, I will change the joystick and keyboard routines. Anyone any idea how I should approach this? Maybe a different acceleration of the bat? Or maybe no lifes but energy? > The point was if we should tell DB or IB about Revelation's plans > or keep quiet until the license is here.... Ahh, sorry, I misunderstood the question. It's best to keep quiet, maybe they will rename it into Lowlife and sell it like that! > Nonsens, your contributions are very welcome here. Thank you (I will continue). David Gommeren (gommerd@interpac.be) From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed Aug 7 09:29:07 1996 From: "Doore, Dan [MIS]" To: Sam Users Subject: Re: Elite on the SAM Date: Wed, 07 Aug 96 09:27:00 PDT Message-Id: <3208C2F7@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 32 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1117 Lines: 33 > Just for your information, I recevied a message on my answering machine from > no one less then Malcolm McKenzie, who owns the copyright, and he asked if I > could change the logo on the master-disc. I will as soon as I have a bitmap > of it. At the same time I will remove the silly copy-protection (to simplify > duplication), and maybe, just maybe, I will change the joystick and keyboard > routines. Anyone any idea how I should approach this? Maybe a different > acceleration of the bat? Or maybe no lifes but energy? I've always found B&B fine to use with the mouse - but the only thing that I would like to see is some form of acceleration instead of the linear way the mouse moves at the moment. As for lifes instead of energy - I like the sound of this. I used to have a top Arkanoid-type game on the Arch that used this and it was much more playable, plus you could get power-ups to replace the energy lost. Dan. Dan Doore - Operations Mono Pod & Dogsbody 'This time he has a tie' --- SMTP: d.doore@lmu.ac.uk MailSig 1.6 - Chalkboard: [1F11] My homework was not stolen by a one-armed man From bin@nvg.unit.no Wed Aug 7 15:00:23 1996 Message-Id: X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 14:57:26 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Elite on the SAM Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1141 Lines: 24 Hi David, >Just for your information, I recevied a message on my answering machine from >no one less then Malcolm McKenzie, who owns the copyright, and he asked if I >could change the logo on the master-disc. I will as soon as I have a bitmap >of it. At the same time I will remove the silly copy-protection (to simplify >duplication), and maybe, just maybe, I will change the joystick and keyboard >routines. Anyone any idea how I should approach this? Maybe a different >acceleration of the bat? Or maybe no lifes but energy? Well, if it's easy for you to update without removing the protection, then keep it on! We've got our own duplication system (E-Copy) which can copy anything and everything - even Parallax ;) Si Cooke ps. What did your protection do anyway, David? Might be an idea if you send your message just to me ;) +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) -+ | Snail:26 Woodhouse Lane, Sale, Cheshire, M33 4JX Pager*: (01426) 208084| | Tel: (0161) 976 3426 | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc --*55p/min peak, 35p/min offpeak -+ From bin@nvg.unit.no Thu Aug 8 16:09:12 1996 Date: Thu, 08 Aug 1996 16:53:36 +0200 (BST) From: David Gommeren Subject: Re: Elite on the SAM To: Sam List In-Reply-To: <3208C2F7@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 0.99j] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 997 Lines: 27 On Wed 07 Aug, Doore, Dan [MIS] wrote: > I've always found B&B fine to use with the mouse - but the only thing that I > would > like to see is some form of acceleration instead of the linear way the mouse > moves at the moment. So you played it then, what do you like/don't you like about it? You have seen all the levels? Acceleration, I might consider this. > As for lifes instead of energy - I like the sound of this. I used to have a > top > Arkanoid-type game on the Arch that used this and it was much more playable, > plus you could get power-ups to replace the energy lost. The Arch, you mean the Acorn Arch, as in Archimedes/Risc PC? What game was that? If you have an Acorn machine, you might want to know that B&B was written on it (including a very simple, but effective level-editot. In any new version I might add new levels (another 1000 or so?). Interested in making them (free of charge of course). Anybody else interested in this? David Gommeren (gommerd@interpac.be) From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri Aug 9 07:55:01 1996 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 08:54:36 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9608090654.AA29285@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Elite on the SAM X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1132 Lines: 30 > On Wed 07 Aug, Doore, Dan [MIS] wrote: > > I've always found B&B fine to use with the mouse - but the only thing that I > > would > > like to see is some form of acceleration instead of the linear way the mouse > > moves at the moment. > > So you played it then, what do you like/don't you like about it? You have > seen all the levels? Acceleration, I might consider this. Are you raving mad? I've seen 4 of the levels - B&B (I stil think the original name was better) must be the hardes game in computer history.....But I also go the level codes from Rob, so..... I've always been a keyboard player, and it is merely impossible with the slow keyboard actiob today.... > > > As for lifes instead of energy - I like the sound of this. I used to have a > > top > > Arkanoid-type game on the Arch that used this and it was much more playable, > > plus you could get power-ups to replace the energy lost. > > The Arch, you mean the Acorn Arch, as in Archimedes/Risc PC? > Most likely, yes. :) Dan is one of the Arch buds here on this list - statistically quite a lot of them actually. Welcome back, Dan, BTW. :) -Frode From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri Aug 9 07:55:28 1996 Path: esoftc.seuk.com!paul.walker From: paul walker Date: 05 Aug 96 16:04:21 +0000 Subject: Elite on the SAM Message-Id: Organization: SEUK, Guildford, UK In-Reply-To: Marcel-0.99-0802194516-0b0V6go@gommerd.interpac.be To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 491 Lines: 17 g> interested in this? Is there any interest in Sam games anywhere? I Plenty of places, I think. David Gommeren? I suspect people thought you'd died, or something! >> The question now is: Is it worth talking to David Braben or Ian Bell g> If David Braben says "No!", why bother him? After all, the Spectrum I don't think anyone's asked him, have they? Or have I missed part of the thread again? Paul --- Could be a tearline... -- Standard disclaimer: My views are strictly my own. From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri Aug 9 14:49:57 1996 Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 15:37:16 +0200 (BST) From: David Gommeren Subject: Re: Elite on the SAM To: Sam List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 0.99j] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 581 Lines: 19 On Mon 05 Aug, paul walker wrote: > > g> interested in this? Is there any interest in Sam games anywhere? I > > Plenty of places, I think. Sure, I've got a very nice game in the pipeline (for at least 6 years or so). It's a 3D isometric game of the kind collect/kill all or Quazatron meets Pac-man in Puzzle-land ... > David Gommeren? I suspect people thought you'd died, or something! Well, it would be a good excuse for not answering all those letters (I still have various disks and tapes of a lot of people I still should return). David Gommeren (gommerd@interpac.be) From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri Aug 9 14:49:59 1996 Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 15:24:21 +0200 (BST) From: David Gommeren Subject: Re: Elite on the SAM To: Sam List In-Reply-To: <9608090654.AA29285@asmal.edh-net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 0.99j] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1426 Lines: 39 On Fri 09 Aug, Frode Tenneboe wrote: > > > On Wed 07 Aug, Doore, Dan [MIS] wrote: > > > I've always found B&B fine to use with the mouse - but the only thing that I > > > would > > > like to see is some form of acceleration instead of the linear way the mouse > > > moves at the moment. > > > > So you played it then, what do you like/don't you like about it? You have > > seen all the levels? Acceleration, I might consider this. > > Are you raving mad? I've seen 4 of the levels - B&B (I stil think > the original name was better) must be the hardes game in computer > history.....But I also go the level codes from Rob, so..... Wel, the be honest, I am mad, but that's beside the point. If you start the game with the password and type TSJIET, you can skip to every next level by pressing the 4 in the escape menu (I think). > I've always been a keyboard player, and it is merely impossible with > the slow keyboard actiob today.... Use the mouse, it's made for this game (or was it vice versa?) > Most likely, yes. :) Dan is one of the Arch buds here on this list - > statistically quite a lot of them actually. Welcome back, Dan, BTW. :) Of course, smart people choose good computers: Spectrum, Sam and then Acorn!!! David Gommeren (gommerd@interpac.be) PS: Only four levels? PPS: The original name WAS better, also the title was more nice. PPPS: I am proud of the fact it's the hardest computer game ever. From bin@nvg.unit.no Fri Aug 9 15:02:50 1996 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 16:01:50 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9608091401.AA29828@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Elite on the SAM X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1775 Lines: 58 > On Fri 09 Aug, Frode Tenneboe wrote: > > > > > On Wed 07 Aug, Doore, Dan [MIS] wrote: > > > > I've always found B&B fine to use with the mouse - but the only thing that I > > > > would > > > > like to see is some form of acceleration instead of the linear way the mouse > > > > moves at the moment. > > > > > > So you played it then, what do you like/don't you like about it? You have > > > seen all the levels? Acceleration, I might consider this. > > > > Are you raving mad? I've seen 4 of the levels - B&B (I stil think > > the original name was better) must be the hardes game in computer > > history.....But I also go the level codes from Rob, so..... > > Wel, the be honest, I am mad, but that's beside the point. If you start the > game with the password and type TSJIET, you can skip to every next level by > pressing the 4 in the escape menu (I think). The original question was: "are you raving mad?" :) oh...gsundtheit. > > > I've always been a keyboard player, and it is merely impossible with > > the slow keyboard actiob today.... > > Use the mouse, it's made for this game (or was it vice versa?) Yes, well....I'm still into keyboard. A mouse isn't really that handy. > > > Most likely, yes. :) Dan is one of the Arch buds here on this list - > > statistically quite a lot of them actually. Welcome back, Dan, BTW. :) > > Of course, smart people choose good computers: Spectrum, Sam and then > Acorn!!! > > David Gommeren > (gommerd@interpac.be) > > PS: Only four levels? Eh..well, yes...it's difficutl. > > PPS: The original name WAS better, also the title was more nice. Indeed. > > PPPS: I am proud of the fact it's the hardest computer game ever. Yes, well....I guess it will ruin your image if you made it easier then... -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Aug 12 18:27:47 1996 Message-Id: <320F7790.2B9E@planetconnect.co.uk> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 18:27:28 +0000 From: Allan C Organization: Crashed Magazine X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: SAM and Speccy Show References: <9608091401.AA29828@asmal.edh-net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 340 Lines: 12 There's going to be a SAM and Spectrum show in Wetherby (near Leeds) on the 21st Spetember 1996. It's going to be well publicised - so keep a look out in the press. Call (0113) 237 4800 or fax (0113) 237 4349 for more details. If you want, send an SSAE to NSSS, 123 Potternewton Lane, Chapel Allerton, Leeds, LS7 3LW. See you there! From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Aug 14 22:13:03 1996 Message-Id: X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 22:10:51 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: SAM's back :) Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 511 Lines: 17 Hi all, Check out: http://boai.home.ml.org/boai2.gif *grins* A little teaser for the next issue of BOAI... :) Si Cooke ps. If that URL doesn't work, try http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc/boai/boai2.gif +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) -+ | Snail:26 Woodhouse Lane, Sale, Cheshire, M33 4JX Pager*: (01426) 208084| | Tel: (0161) 976 3426 | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc --*55p/min peak, 35p/min offpeak -+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Aug 15 09:28:04 1996 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 10:27:05 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9608150827.AA05958@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SAM's back :) X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 214 Lines: 15 > > Hi all, > > Check out: http://boai.home.ml.org/boai2.gif > > *grins* > > A little teaser for the next issue of BOAI... :) Amusing. Is it (the accelrator) out now then? How do I get BOAI anyway? -Frode From imc Thu Aug 15 11:38:22 1996 Subject: Re: SAM's back :) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 11:38:22 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Simon Cooke" at Aug 14, 96 10:10:51 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 204 Lines: 7 On Wed, 14 Aug 1996 22:10:51 +0100, Simon Cooke said: > A little teaser for the next issue of BOAI... :) Doesn't give us a great lot of info though, does it? A contents list might be more useful. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Aug 15 12:12:11 1996 Subject: Re: SAM's back :) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 10:47:47 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <9608150827.AA05958@asmal.edh-net> from "Frode Tenneboe" at Aug 15, 96 10:27:05 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <"runix.runi.844:15.08.96.09.48.54"@runix.runit.sintef.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 471 Lines: 21 > > Hi all, > > > > Check out: http://boai.home.ml.org/boai2.gif > > > > *grins* > > > > A little teaser for the next issue of BOAI... :) > > Amusing. Is it (the accelrator) out now then? Not yet... but in issue 2 of BOAI Martin explains in detail how it all works... > How do I get BOAI anyway? Send money (cheques made payable to M. Rookyard) to 38 Squires Lane, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 8JF. It's 2 UKP per issue, or 6UKP for a 4-issue subscription. Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Aug 15 12:41:49 1996 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 13:27:10 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9608151127.AA06284@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SAM's back :) X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 378 Lines: 14 > Not yet... but in issue 2 of BOAI Martin explains in detail how it all > works... > > > How do I get BOAI anyway? > > Send money (cheques made payable to M. Rookyard) to 38 Squires Lane, > Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 8JF. It's 2 UKP per issue, or 6UKP for a > 4-issue subscription. That is not very practical for foreign users. :( Do you accept MasterCard? :) -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Aug 15 13:21:23 1996 Message-Id: X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 13:19:57 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: SAM's back :) Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 972 Lines: 30 >Status: > >On Wed, 14 Aug 1996 22:10:51 +0100, Simon Cooke said: >> A little teaser for the next issue of BOAI... :) > >Doesn't give us a great lot of info though, does it? A contents list >might be more useful. I'm working on that; that was just a teaser ;) At the mo, I've got 3 things for Internet Today to write, and the finishing touches to puton the mag before we give it to the printers, so I've not got much time to update the BOAI pages... Contents: Of mice & men part 2: how the hardware works How the SAM Accelerator works MSDOS filing system by Stefan Drissen Z80 timings, by David Zambonini There's some reviews, news, bits & bobs too... Si +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) -+ | Snail:26 Woodhouse Lane, Sale, Cheshire, M33 4JX Pager*: (01426) 208084| | Tel: (0161) 976 3426 | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc --*55p/min peak, 35p/min offpeak -+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Aug 15 13:22:35 1996 Message-Id: X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 13:20:52 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: SAM's back :) Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 834 Lines: 26 >Status: > >> Not yet... but in issue 2 of BOAI Martin explains in detail how it all >> works... >> >> > How do I get BOAI anyway? >> >> Send money (cheques made payable to M. Rookyard) to 38 Squires Lane, >> Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 8JF. It's 2 UKP per issue, or 6UKP for a >> 4-issue subscription. > >That is not very practical for foreign users. :( >Do you accept MasterCard? :) I wish :) We're going to have to come up with some way around this... International Money Order? I dunno... how does FRED do it? Si +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) -+ | Snail:26 Woodhouse Lane, Sale, Cheshire, M33 4JX Pager*: (01426) 208084| | Tel: (0161) 976 3426 | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc --*55p/min peak, 35p/min offpeak -+ From imc Thu Aug 15 13:26:55 1996 Subject: Re: SAM's back :) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 13:26:55 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Simon Cooke" at Aug 15, 96 01:19:57 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 594 Lines: 14 On Thu, 15 Aug 1996 13:19:57 +0100, Simon Cooke said: > Z80 timings, by David Zambonini I hope he's rewritten it since last time so it's a bit more understandable. :-) (This is a subject of some debate between myself and DMZ; I attempted to clear things up by writing it in a different way, but he didn't seem to agree. I was going to write it up properly and make yet another table of timed instructions, but I never got round to it. When does Fantasy Fred League end? I might still get it in before then, together with my implementation of "less", which is also half-finished...). imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Aug 15 13:30:38 1996 Subject: Re: SAM's back :) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 13:29:30 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <9608151226.AA13759@boothp2.ecs.ox.ac.uk> from "Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk" at Aug 15, 96 01:26:55 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <96Aug15.142952+0100met_dst.62509-1431+16@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 858 Lines: 25 > > On Thu, 15 Aug 1996 13:19:57 +0100, Simon Cooke said: > > Z80 timings, by David Zambonini > > I hope he's rewritten it since last time so it's a bit more understandable. > :-) He has... a bit :) Not much though.. I might fiddle with it :) > (This is a subject of some debate between myself and DMZ; I attempted to > clear things up by writing it in a different way, but he didn't seem to > agree. I was going to write it up properly and make yet another table > of timed instructions, but I never got round to it. When does Fantasy > Fred League end? I might still get it in before then, together with my > implementation of "less", which is also half-finished...). > > imc > You've got a version of Less nearly done? Cooooool! It'sone of the things I wanted to put together myself, but I'm too mcuh in the middle of doing Termite.... Si From imc Thu Aug 15 13:44:19 1996 Subject: Re: SAM's back :) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 13:44:19 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <96Aug15.142952+0100met_dst.62509-1431+16@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> from "Simon Cooke" at Aug 15, 96 01:29:30 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1203 Lines: 27 On Thu, 15 Aug 1996 13:29:30 +0100 (BST), Simon Cooke said: > You've got a version of Less nearly done? Cooooool! Are you blind? :-) I said "half finished", not "nearly done". The reason I wrote it was to read some verrrry long news logs. The reason I'm not working on it at the moment is because it is at least complete enough for me to read them. I might start again when I have done. :-) I had to spend ages writing a DOS because the hook codes are a load of, um, rubbish and the MasterDOS manual doesn't even list them anyway. But at least now I can write one huge 775K file on a disk (note that when it says there is 780K free it's lying!) and it takes me about three nights to read... It runs in mode 3 85 column mode (it can display 64-column files but it still has the screen in 85 column mode). It has a simple (i.e., not regular expressions) searcher and also accepts the keys: qpkzbnNm/?'= and 0-9, enter, space and arrow keys. This of course only makes sense to someone who has the "less" manual page. :-) (Eventually of course I could take the real manual page, edit out the features I didn't put in and format it for viewing on less (including bold and underlined text)). imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Aug 15 15:35:11 1996 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 15:37:59 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9608151337.AA06334@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SAM's back :) X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 692 Lines: 23 > >That is not very practical for foreign users. :( > >Do you accept MasterCard? :) > > I wish :) > > We're going to have to come up with some way around this... International > Money Order? I dunno... how does FRED do it? IMO is not much better than cach, actullay cash is probably cheaper from most countries. FRED has a leg inside the Foreign Currency Scheeme that Format is running... Let me know if you come up with something. I'll have it in mind if I visit UK sometimes. -Frode Apropos, if anybody knows anything about computer related seminars or courses or anything in England somewhere, I'm very interested in hearing about them. (OO, Ada, GUIs, Visualisation, anything..) From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Aug 15 15:35:23 1996 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 15:43:59 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9608151343.AA06347@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SAM's back :) X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 482 Lines: 13 [Rub...eh..stuff deleted] :) > It has a simple (i.e., not regular expressions) searcher and also accepts > the keys: qpkzbnNm/?'= and 0-9, enter, space and arrow keys. This of course > only makes sense to someone who has the "less" manual page. :-) (Eventually > of course I could take the real manual page, edit out the features I didn't > put in and format it for viewing on less (including bold and underlined > text)). Sounds fascinating. How about a beta on nvg? -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Aug 16 06:52:48 1996 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 06:39:28 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <16788@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SAM's back :) X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 746 Lines: 24 In message <9608151244.AA13814@boothp2.ecs.ox.ac.uk> Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk writes: > On Thu, 15 Aug 1996 13:29:30 +0100 (BST), Simon Cooke said: > > You've got a version of Less nearly done? Cooooool! > > Are you blind? :-) I said "half finished", not "nearly done". No but I am, I cannot see the 85 col any more! > > I had to spend ages writing a DOS because the hook codes are a load of, > um, rubbish and the MasterDOS manual doesn't even list them anyway. But > at least now I can write one huge 775K file on a disk (note that when it > says there is 780K free it's lying!) and it takes me about three nights > to read... > No its right, its just that you can only use 510 bytes a sector.. :-) Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Aug 16 06:52:48 1996 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 06:44:18 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <16789@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SAM's back :) X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 529 Lines: 19 In message scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) writes: > >Status: > > > > We're going to have to come up with some way around this... International > Money Order? I dunno... how does FRED do it? > Its a constant problem. Eurocheques are what we do, but some countries seem to have trouble, and it only covers Europe. I now accept dollars, not cheques in Dollars though! These seem to be available all over the World except Eastern Europe.. Oh well... Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From imc Fri Aug 16 12:44:59 1996 Subject: Re: SAM's back :) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 12:44:59 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <16788@bgserv.demon.co.uk> from "Brian Gaff Sam Dept." at Aug 16, 96 06:39:28 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 707 Lines: 19 On Fri, 16 Aug 1996 06:39:28 GMT, Brian Gaff Sam Dept. said: > No but I am, I cannot see the 85 col any more! Well, um... you could use a *really huge* television. :-) > > at least now I can write one huge 775K file on a disk (note that when it > > says there is 780K free it's lying!) > No its right, its just that you can only use 510 bytes a > sector.. Depends on the definition I suppose. But since the number that it gives you excludes the space reserved by the OS for the directory, it makes sense also to exclude the two bytes per sector which is reserved by the OS. What it's trying to tell you is that there are 780*2 sectors free. But that's not 780K, it's 780*2*510 bytes - 776.95K. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Aug 16 12:56:43 1996 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 13:56:15 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9608161156.AA01495@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SAM's back :) X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 619 Lines: 17 > Depends on the definition I suppose. But since the number that it gives > you excludes the space reserved by the OS for the directory, it makes sense > also to exclude the two bytes per sector which is reserved by the OS. > > What it's trying to tell you is that there are 780*2 sectors free. But > that's not 780K, it's 780*2*510 bytes - 776.95K. Ah! But that is not entirely true either as if I save a file of 511 bytes, I will actually reduce the ammount of free space by 1K (or actually 2*510 = 1020 bytes)... So, the ammount of free space is also dependant on what you are going to save next. :) -Frode From imc Fri Aug 16 13:03:49 1996 Subject: Re: SAM's back :) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 13:03:49 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <9608161156.AA01495@asmal.edh-net> from "Frode Tenneboe" at Aug 16, 96 01:56:15 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 563 Lines: 15 On Fri, 16 Aug 1996 13:56:15 +0200, Frode Tenneboe said: > > What it's trying to tell you is that there are 780*2 sectors free. But > > that's not 780K, it's 780*2*510 bytes - 776.95K. > So, the ammount of free space is also dependant on what you > are going to save next. :) Let's say the theoretical maximum is 776.95K - I can achieve that by saving one huge file (you can even knock off the 9-byte header if you like, but that doesn't make a huge difference. :-) ) However I save it I can't get the full 780K and still have a SAMDOS compatible disk. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Aug 16 13:10:13 1996 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 14:09:54 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9608161209.AA01505@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SAM's back :) X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 434 Lines: 12 > > Let's say the theoretical maximum is 776.95K - I can achieve that by saving > one huge file (you can even knock off the 9-byte header if you like, but that > doesn't make a huge difference. :-) ) > > However I save it I can't get the full 780K and still have a SAMDOS > compatible disk. Indeed. The direcotry structure is a bit of a pain in {SAM,Master}DOS - I hope Si implements this as only backwards compatible. :) -Frode From imc Fri Aug 16 14:35:58 1996 Subject: Re: SAM's back :) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 14:35:58 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <9608151343.AA06347@asmal.edh-net> from "Frode Tenneboe" at Aug 15, 96 03:43:59 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 208 Lines: 11 On Thu, 15 Aug 1996 15:43:59 +0200, Frode Tenneboe said: [about less] > Sounds fascinating. How about a beta on nvg? No sooner said than done... :-) Though I think it's an alpha rather than a beta. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Aug 19 20:39:31 1996 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 20:38:08 +0100 (BST) From: Tim Wells To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Sam Supplement Web Page Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 246 Lines: 10 As I received their latest disk this morning, I'll pass on the message that the SAM Supplement disk magazine now has a Web page at: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/sam_supplement Not an awful lot there at the moment though. Tim W. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Aug 20 00:27:25 1996 Path: esoftc.seuk.com!paul.walker From: paul walker Date: 17 Aug 96 23:46:09 +0000 Subject: SAM's back :) Message-Id: Organization: SEUK, Guildford, UK In-Reply-To: m0ur1PW-00003mC@jumper.mcc.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 261 Lines: 11 s> MSDOS filing system by Stefan Drissen This should be interesting. I've got most of the technical info, but doing something with it on the Sam is far beyond me ATM... Paul --- Could be a tearline... -- Standard disclaimer: My views are strictly my own. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Aug 20 06:41:51 1996 Path: esoftc.seuk.com!paul.walker From: paul walker Date: 18 Aug 96 19:27:16 +0000 Subject: Elite on the SAM Message-Id: Organization: SEUK, Guildford, UK In-Reply-To: Marcel-0.99-0809133716-1cbV6go@gommerd.interpac.be To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 481 Lines: 17 g> Sure, I've got a very nice game in the pipeline (for at least 6 years g> or so). It's a 3D isometric game of the kind collect/kill all or 6 years?! Come back, Cookie, all is forgiven! ;) >> David Gommeren? I suspect people thought you'd died, or something! g> Well, it would be a good excuse for not answering all those letters (I Hmm. True. I must remember to try that sometime.. Paul --- Could be a tearline... -- Standard disclaimer: My views are strictly my own. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Aug 20 14:33:20 1996 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 15:32:21 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9608201332.AA03721@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SAM's back :) X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 372 Lines: 18 > > On Thu, 15 Aug 1996 15:43:59 +0200, Frode Tenneboe said: > > [about less] > > > Sounds fascinating. How about a beta on nvg? > > No sooner said than done... :-) > > Though I think it's an alpha rather than a beta. Well, it's been moved to ./utils/misc. To the rest of you. Shame on you! We have 68MB we can fill with absolutely whatever we want!!!! -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Aug 20 23:01:06 1996 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 21:27:31 GMT Message-Id: <199608202127.VAA00706@pipe3.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam Supplement Web Page From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (samsboss) Cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Pipeuser: samsboss X-Pipehub: uk.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (samsboss) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 500 Lines: 18 On Aug 19, 1996 20:38:08, 'Tim Wells ' wrote: >As I received their latest disk this morning, I'll pass on the message that the >SAM Supplement disk magazine now has a Web page at: > >http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/sam_supplement > >Not an awful lot there at the moment though. > >Tim W. > Seen the pages. But there is a long way to go. And who do they think they are kidding? 500 SAM users indeed. It is August now, a bit late for an April fool... From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Aug 23 16:54:03 1996 Posted-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 17:25:39 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <321DCD4C.37BF@pi.net> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 17:25:00 +0200 From: Stefan Drissen Organization: SOLcorp X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: SAM users Subject: Noise reduction Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1258 Lines: 29 Edwin Blink has come up with a little fix to reduce SOME of the background noise that you hear when you turn the volume up. The result is quite pleasing - MODs sound noticeably better, the sound is crisper. The question is however, what's it going to cost. Well, how about 5p? All you need is one diode (1n4148, identical to D17 on SAMs circuit board). Remove (cut out) the spool at L3 (the green thing that looks like a resistor, near the soundchip). Solder the diode in at that place, with the minus (black ring) nearest the back of your SAM (same orientation as D17). A tiny bit of soldering experience is required, but hey, if /I/ can do it.... -- Stefan Drissen _____ ___ _ ___ ______ ___ ____ / _// \| | /\ | \ | _/ | /\ | \ _/ aka \_ \| || |__ / \| / | _|| |__ / \| / _| of ENTROPY /____/\___/\____\____\_|_\ |_| \____\____\_|_\___\ / \ / Email: drissen@pi.net http://www.pi.net/~drissen \ / Zevende Herven 6,5232 JZ 's-HERTOGENBOSCH,The Netherlands \ / telephone: +31-73-6414969 \ --------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sat Aug 24 09:39:24 1996 Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 09:11:59 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <16931@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Noise reduction X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1175 Lines: 31 In message <321DCD4C.37BF@pi.net> Stefan Drissen writes: > Edwin Blink has come up with a little fix to reduce SOME of the > background noise that you hear when you turn the volume up. > > The result is quite pleasing - MODs sound noticeably better, the sound > is crisper. > > The question is however, what's it going to cost. Well, how about 5p? > All you need is one diode (1n4148, identical to D17 on SAMs circuit > board). Remove (cut out) the spool at L3 (the green thing that looks > like a resistor, near the soundchip). Solder the diode in at that > place, with the minus (black ring) nearest the back of your SAM (same > orientation as D17). > > A tiny bit of soldering experience is required, but hey, if /I/ can do > it.... > We used something similar to aid the problem on the old +3. The .6V that is needed to turn on the diode is less than the noise level. However, it does gate the noise and half wave rectify the waveform, so it tends to sound rather 'gritty' Not tried it on a SAM, these were on the +3. The real error in SAM is that its groundplanes for Video, audio and digital circuits ane not seperated. Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sun Aug 25 10:48:43 1996 Path: esoftc.seuk.com!paul.walker From: paul walker Date: 23 Aug 96 17:22:27 +0000 Subject: Help! Message-Id: Organization: SEUK, Guildford, UK To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 269 Lines: 10 Cookie! Don't suppose you could let me have another copy of the Entropy compressed text format? I've still got all the tokens, but I've lost the file which described the .dcp/.mag files etc. >:( Paul --- GoldED -- Standard disclaimer: My views are strictly my own. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sun Aug 25 10:48:44 1996 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 05:57:49 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <16965@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Noise reduction X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 87 Lines: 6 Is there an echo in here? I only sent 1 copy, honest! Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Aug 26 07:32:31 1996 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 08:32:33 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9608260632.AA10802@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Noise reduction X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 95 Lines: 5 > Is there an echo in here? I only sent 1 copy, honest! We only received one copy... -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Aug 26 09:40:48 1996 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 09:14:02 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <17020@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Noise reduction X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 297 Lines: 17 In message <9608260632.AA10802@asmal.edh-net> ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) writes: > > Is there an echo in here? I only sent 1 copy, honest! > > We only received one copy... > > -Frode > Well I got 2 here. Someones pointer must ve screwed up.... :-) Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Aug 26 09:42:59 1996 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 10:43:31 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9608260843.AA10891@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Noise reduction X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 339 Lines: 15 > > In message <9608260632.AA10802@asmal.edh-net> ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) writes: > > > Is there an echo in here? I only sent 1 copy, honest! > > > > We only received one copy... > > > > -Frode > > > Well I got 2 here. > > Someones pointer must ve screwed up.... :-) You are sure you are not schizophrenic? ;) -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Aug 26 11:51:39 1996 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 11:46:43 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <17036@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Noise reduction X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 530 Lines: 26 In message <9608260843.AA10891@asmal.edh-net> ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) writes: > > > > In message <9608260632.AA10802@asmal.edh-net> ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) writes: > > > > Is there an echo in here? I only sent 1 copy, honest! > > > > > > We only received one copy... > > > > > > -Frode > > > > > Well I got 2 here. > > > > Someones pointer must ve screwed up.... :-) > > You are sure you are not schizophrenic? ;) > > -Frode > No, I am not.. and neither am I! Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Aug 28 18:53:36 1996 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 17:50:53 GMT Message-Id: <199608281750.RAA06875@pipe1.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Noise reduction From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (samsboss) Cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Pipeuser: samsboss X-Pipehub: uk.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (samsboss) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 802 Lines: 39 On Aug 26, 1996 11:46:43, 'Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.)' wrote: >In message <9608260843.AA10891@asmal.edh-net> ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode >Tenneboe) writes: >> > >> > In message <9608260632.AA10802@asmal.edh-net> ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode >Tenneboe) writes: >> > > > Is there an echo in here? I only sent 1 copy, honest! >> > > >> > > We only received one copy... >> > > >> > > -Frode >> > > >> > Well I got 2 here. >> > >> > Someones pointer must ve screwed up.... :-) >> >> You are sure you are not schizophrenic? ;) >> >> -Frode >> >No, I am not.. > > >and neither am I! > >Brian > > >-- >Brian Gaff Sam Dept. Well I got two copies as well and I can't even spell skitsofrenic. Could it be a message from a parallel Earth? From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Aug 29 09:54:21 1996 Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 08:51:52 +0100 (BST) From: Si Owen To: Sam Users Group Subject: TurboMON for free! Message-Id: Organisation: Wordcraft International Ltd. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 956 Lines: 26 Hi all! I've made TurboMON (plus source) avaiable for free from my web site. Check out: http://www.obobo.demon.co.uk/Sam/ Let me know if you have problems or if I've overlooked something. I'm off for two weeks from tomorrow (getting married!), so you'll have to be quick! Enjoy... Si P.S. Could some kind soul make some Linux xcoupe disk images from the .TD0 files on my web site. My system refuses to do it, even with the MAKEDEV changes! It'd be best if I could ftp them from somewhere to avoid a few people emailing them! (thanks in advance!) /------------------------------------+----------------------------------------\ | Si Owen | Home: si@obobo.demon.co.uk | | Wordcraft International Ltd, UK | Work: develop@wordcraft.co.uk | | Fax: +44-1332-295525 | WWW: www.obobo.demon.co.uk | \------------------------------------+----------------------------------------/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Aug 29 16:49:00 1996 Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 15:46:20 GMT Message-Id: <199608291546.PAA23871@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SAM MOUSE SYSTEM From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (samsboss) Cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Pipeuser: samsboss X-Pipehub: uk.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (samsboss) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 159 Lines: 4 Some time ago I hear that there was a new mouse system due out that used the PC type serial mouse. Has anyone any further news on this front? Sam's Boss... From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Aug 29 16:53:12 1996 From: "Doore, Dan [MIS]" To: Sam Users Subject: Re: SAM MOUSE SYSTEM Date: Thu, 29 Aug 96 16:51:00 PDT Message-Id: <32262D2F@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 19 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 414 Lines: 19 > Some time ago I hear that there was a new mouse system due out that used > the PC type serial mouse. Has anyone any further news on this front? Mr Cooke and Mr Rookyard were onto this I think. > Sam's Boss... Sam's what? Dan. Dan Doore - Operations Mono Pod & Dogsbody 'This time he has a tie' --- SMTP: d.doore@lmu.ac.uk MailSig 1.6 - Chalkboard: [7G01] I will not yell "Fire" in a crowded classroom From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Aug 29 19:46:43 1996 Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 19:40:05 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <17253@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Noise reduction X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 145 Lines: 10 Oh not the old other Earth again. This is only being sent once as a test. Brian The Internet lens needs focusing... -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Aug 29 23:04:16 1996 Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 22:01:54 GMT Message-Id: <199608292201.WAA14829@pipe1.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SAM MOUSE SYSTEM From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (samsboss) Cc: Sam Users X-Pipeuser: samsboss X-Pipehub: uk.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (samsboss) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 894 Lines: 29 On Aug 29, 1996 16:51:00, '"Doore, Dan [MIS]" ' wrote: > >> Some time ago I hear that there was a new mouse system due out that used >> the PC type serial mouse. Has anyone any further news on this front? > >Mr Cooke and Mr Rookyard were onto this I think. > >> Sam's Boss... > >Sam's what? > >Dan. > >Dan Doore - Operations Mono Pod & Dogsbody 'This time he has a tie' --- >SMTP: d.doore@lmu.ac.uk > >MailSig 1.6 - Chalkboard: [7G01] I will not yell "Fire" in a crowded classroom If its anything to do with them two I will not be holding my breath. There must be someone who knows how the PC mouse works and can get one going on SAM. The reason I ask is that a replacement mouse for my SAM Mouse System will cost over 4 times the price of a PC one. And SAM'S BOSS is what I do, well someone has to tell the heap of plastic what to do don't they... From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Aug 30 09:09:15 1996 From: "Doore, Dan [MIS]" To: sam-users Subject: Re: SAM MOUSE SYSTEM Date: Fri, 30 Aug 96 09:06:00 PDT Message-Id: <322711E9@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 20 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 666 Lines: 20 > If its anything to do with them two I will not be holding my breath. There > must be someone who knows how the PC mouse works and can get one going on > SAM. The reason I ask is that a replacement mouse for my SAM Mouse System > will cost over 4 times the price of a PC one. The PC mouse is just a serial device and If you have a comms i/f then it should theoretically be possible to get the two talking. But then again, theoretical and Sam are often distant cousins :) Dan. Dan Doore - Operations Mono Pod & Dogsbody 'This time he has a tie' --- SMTP: d.doore@lmu.ac.uk MailSig 1.6 - Troy MacClure was in: [SI#8] "The Itchy & Scratchy Movie" (bit part) From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Aug 30 09:38:41 1996 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 08:36:11 GMT Message-Id: <199608300836.IAA22062@pipe1.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SAM MOUSE SYSTEM From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (samsboss) Cc: sam-users X-Pipeuser: samsboss X-Pipehub: uk.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (samsboss) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 886 Lines: 29 On Aug 30, 1996 09:06:00, '"Doore, Dan [MIS]" ' wrote: > >The PC mouse is just a serial device and If you have a comms i/f then it >should >theoretically be possible to get the two talking. But then again, theoretical >and Sam >are often distant cousins :) > >Dan. > >Dan Doore - Operations Mono Pod & Dogsbody 'This time he has a tie' --- >SMTP: d.doore@lmu.ac.uk > >MailSig 1.6 - Troy MacClure was in: [SI#8] "The Itchy & Scratchy Movie" (bit >part) Anything seial is always going to be hard work - cos like lots of things in the computer world, the general rule is If there is a standard - dont stick to it" Still, does anyone know what sort of signel a PC serial mouse puts out? Do you have to 'poll' it to get it to give you a count of movement made or does it just issue a 'tick' every time the ball moves? Any brains out there? From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Aug 30 19:31:41 1996 Posted-Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 20:30:32 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <322719F6.14A4@pi.net> Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 18:42:30 +0200 From: Stefan Drissen Organization: SOLcorp X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: SAM users Subject: IDE BIOS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1350 Lines: 30 With a bit of luck I will have uploaded a nice little bit of source code to NVG. The file is a DOS text file (converted with Cookie's Comet->Ascii proggy) so you can look through it without even needing to start up your SAM (shame on you!). Basically it's a couple of routines to access the hard drive using SD Software's hard drive interface (with the oh so rubbishy DOS). There's a read sector, write sector, size disc, and a couple of other little routines in there which could be useful. Funny thing is that I haven't actually had the opportunity to try these routines on a working hard drive. The Seagate ST 157A (40 megs) refuses to cooperate with the interface as mentioned a while ago. The routines /should/ work though. Enjoy. -- Stefan Drissen _____ ___ _ ___ ______ ___ ____ / _// \| | /\ | \ | _/ | /\ | \ _/ aka \_ \| || |__ / \| / | _|| |__ / \| / _| of ENTROPY /____/\___/\____\____\_|_\ |_| \____\____\_|_\___\ / \ / Email: drissen@pi.net http://www.pi.net/~drissen \ / Zevende Herven 6,5232 JZ 's-HERTOGENBOSCH,The Netherlands \ / telephone: +31-73-6414969 \ --------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sat Aug 31 15:10:27 1996 Posted-Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 16:09:01 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <32284748.6EA1@pi.net> Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 16:08:08 +0200 From: Stefan Drissen Organization: SOLcorp X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: SAM users Subject: ZX81 emulator Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1337 Lines: 29 Today there was another speccy user group meeting in Houten. Johan Koelman was displaying his ZX81 emulator for the speccy (which apparently runs at 3% of an orignal ZX81 due to him not being able to keep all the addresses at their correct places). After a little chat we started work on writing a SAM ZX81 emulator.... an hour or two later it worked! Pressing F1 brings up a screen of the ZX81 keyboard, ESCape brings you back to SAM basic. There are still some odd things happening every now and again and load & save still need to be implemented.... To keep everything going at a nice pace the screen is updated 5 times a second (more than ample for a ZX81). If anyone is interested I could put an alpha version up on NVG. -- Stefan Drissen _____ ___ _ ___ ______ ___ ____ / _// \| | /\ | \ | _/ | /\ | \ _/ aka \_ \| || |__ / \| / | _|| |__ / \| / _| of ENTROPY /____/\___/\____\____\_|_\ |_| \____\____\_|_\___\ / \ / Email: drissen@pi.net http://www.pi.net/~drissen \ / Zevende Herven 6,5232 JZ 's-HERTOGENBOSCH,The Netherlands \ / telephone: +31-73-6414969 \ ---------------------------------------------------------------