From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sun Sep 1 07:06:37 1996 From: Lord Blackadder To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mmdf-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at relay-3.mail.demon.net Subject: Re: ZX81 emulator Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 06:43:33 +0100 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1080 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <841557284.7185.0@orinocco.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 720 Lines: 33 > started work on writing a SAM ZX81 emulator.... > Nice one. > an hour or two later it worked! > No messing about here?! > Pressing F1 brings up a screen of the ZX81 keyboard, ESCape brings you > back to SAM basic. There are still some odd things happening every now > and again and load & save still need to be implemented.... > To keep everything going at a nice pace the screen is updated 5 times a > second (more than ample for a ZX81). > > If anyone is interested I could put an alpha version up on NVG. > Go for it. > > Stefan Drissen > Lord B' -- Lord Blackadder, Entropy Technology. Blackadder@orinocco.demon.co.uk http://www.orinocco.demon.co.uk Include your Children when Baking Cookies! From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sun Sep 1 11:45:30 1996 Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 10:21:13 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <17338@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: ZX81 emulator X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1331 Lines: 66 In message <841557284.7185.0@orinocco.demon.co.uk> Lord Blackadder writes: > > started work on writing a SAM ZX81 emulator.... > > > > Nice one. > > > an hour or two later it worked! > > > > No messing about here?! > > > Pressing F1 brings up a screen of the ZX81 keyboard, ESCape brings you > > back to SAM basic. There are still some odd things happening every now > > and again and load & save still need to be implemented.... > > To keep everything going at a nice pace the screen is updated 5 times a > > second (more than ample for a ZX81). > > > > If anyone is interested I could put an alpha version up on NVG. > > > > Go for it. > > > > > Stefan Drissen > > > > Lord B' > > -- > Lord Blackadder, Entropy Technology. > Blackadder@orinocco.demon.co.uk > http://www.orinocco.demon.co.uk > > Include your Children when Baking Cookies! > Sounds good to me. Can the screen be incerted black/white wise? By the way, a significant number of messages are bringing up... This mail is probably a multimedia mail. Its Content-Type is text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 and it is encoded using 7bit - encoding. You have 2 options: 1) Show it using your regular pager 2) Skip, don't show the mail Seems a but strange, someone has obviously changed their software! Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sun Sep 1 14:37:30 1996 Posted-Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 13:15:22 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <3229703F.3BA1@pi.net> Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 13:15:11 +0200 From: Stefan Drissen Organization: SOLcorp X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: ZX81 emulator References: <841557284.7185.0@orinocco.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 746 Lines: 22 Lord Blackadder wrote: > > If anyone is interested I could put an alpha version up on NVG. > > > > Go for it. Coming right up.... source included. -- Stefan Drissen _____ ___ _ ___ ______ ___ ____ / _// \| | /\ | \ | _/ | /\ | \ _/ aka \_ \| || |__ / \| / | _|| |__ / \| / _| of ENTROPY /____/\___/\____\____\_|_\ |_| \____\____\_|_\___\ / \ / Email: drissen@pi.net http://www.pi.net/~drissen \ / Zevende Herven 6,5232 JZ 's-HERTOGENBOSCH,The Netherlands \ / telephone: +31-73-6414969 \ --------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sun Sep 1 14:37:50 1996 Posted-Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 13:15:13 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <32296AD6.2396@pi.net> Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 12:52:06 +0200 From: Stefan Drissen Organization: SOLcorp X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: ZX81 emulator References: <17338@bgserv.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1340 Lines: 31 Brian Gaff Sam Dept. wrote: > Sounds good to me. Can the screen be incerted black/white wise? If you mean inVerted, no problem - just change the palette before you run the emulator. Would an invert key be interesting as an option? Having done a bit more experimenting with SAM81 I've noticed that there are still a couple of problems with the screen update due to Johan Koelman (the speccy ZX81 dude) telling me that I could simply remove all the outs and just hook the screen update onto the interrupt routine plus remove some other bits since they caused everything to freeze up..... I typed in a massive program yesterday (64 lines), ran it, it sort of worked, and then - since this is a REAL emulator - the ZX81 crashed. Ahem. -- Stefan Drissen _____ ___ _ ___ ______ ___ ____ / _// \| | /\ | \ | _/ | /\ | \ _/ aka \_ \| || |__ / \| / | _|| |__ / \| / _| of ENTROPY /____/\___/\____\____\_|_\ |_| \____\____\_|_\___\ / \ / Email: drissen@pi.net http://www.pi.net/~drissen \ / Zevende Herven 6,5232 JZ 's-HERTOGENBOSCH,The Netherlands \ / telephone: +31-73-6414969 \ --------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Sep 2 10:23:41 1996 Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 11:21:53 +0200 (MET DST) From: Ben Versteeg Subject: Re: IDE BIOS In-Reply-To: <322719F6.14A4@pi.net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-Id: <199609020921.LAA16214@charm.il.ft.hse.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 793 Lines: 16 > Funny thing is that I haven't actually had the opportunity to try these > routines on a working hard drive. The Seagate ST 157A (40 megs) refuses > to cooperate with the interface as mentioned a while ago. The routines > /should/ work though. It didn't work ? I've heard that before ! Heheh :) Ben -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Inner Products Holland _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/ Ben Versteeg _/ _/_/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ ben@il.ft.hse.nl _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ www.il.ft.hse.nl/~ben _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Sep 2 12:50:04 1996 Subject: Re: SAM MOUSE SYSTEM To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 12:48:40 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <199608292201.WAA14829@pipe1.uk.pipeline.com> from "samsboss" at Aug 29, 96 10:01:54 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <96Sep2.134908+0200_met_dst.62589-15151+1192@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 411 Lines: 12 > If its anything to do with them two I will not be holding my breath. There > must be someone who knows how the PC mouse works and can get one going on > SAM. The reason I ask is that a replacement mouse for my SAM Mouse System > will cost over 4 times the price of a PC one. > > And SAM'S BOSS is what I do, well someone has to tell the heap of plastic > what to do don't they... Thanks a lot. Si Cooke From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Sep 2 12:51:26 1996 Subject: Re: SAM MOUSE SYSTEM To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 12:50:11 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <199608300836.IAA22062@pipe1.uk.pipeline.com> from "samsboss" at Aug 30, 96 08:36:11 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <96Sep2.135039+0200_met_dst.62589-15151+1193@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 730 Lines: 20 > Anything seial is always going to be hard work - cos like lots of things in > the computer world, the general rule is If there is a standard - dont stick > to it" > > Still, does anyone know what sort of signel a PC serial mouse puts out? Do > you have to 'poll' it to get it to give you a count of movement made or > does it just issue a 'tick' every time the ball moves? > > Any brains out there? Yes, thanks. Buy issue 4 of Based On An Idea (out in January) for a routine and details on how to read PC mouses (sp) on the SAM. Oh ye of little faith. Issue 2 will be sent out on Weds to subscribers. Overseas people who want copies of BOAI get in touch and we'll see if we can come up with a solution... Si Cooke From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Sep 2 13:21:38 1996 Message-Id: <199609021220.OAA04344@dxmint.cern.ch> From: Allan Skillman Subject: SimCoupe : The latest To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 2 Sep 96 14:20:29 METDST Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 3501 Lines: 63 Hello All, Well, as we have finally got some results from the new LEP run at CERN (after clearing out the beer bottles etc etc), things have been a little hectic on the physics side here. Progress on the emulator has therefor been sluggish. However I thought I would put out a progress report as I have some news, and to keep people up to date. The big news is that I got a mail from Simon Goodwin (of Crash fame), and through him I've been in contact with Andy Wright, the Author of the ROM. He has given his permission for the ROMs to be distributed with the emulator! So all future releases will include the ROM files. I'll also get them up on the Web page as soon as I get some time. In the mean time, if anyone would like a copy I can Email the files to you, just drop me a line. As I pointed out in my (probably) last mail, XCoupe has changed its name to SimCoupe, and now includes several major changes :- o The Z80 kernel is now based on xz80, thanks to Ian Collier. This kernel is more accurate the xzx's and the emulator will now run some software it used to fall down on, for example PRO-DOS. o The display code has been completely rewritten from scratch. It can now handle changes to vmpr and clut properly, so code which changes the screen memory pages/modes around now works. border changes using both the border port and the clut work properly. Only changes WITHIN a display line are not implemented, so border scrollies won't work, I guess it is technically possible to do this, if it is in great demand. The upshot of all this is that the Lyra 3 demo works straight off the disk. At the moment the only version of SimCoupe I have working is the Linux console version, although the X version is in the works. This gave me an idea to please all the DOS guys out there who want to try the emulator, but don't want to install the OS. I have produced a boot/root disk combination so that any PC (hopefully) can run the emulator. Basically one of the disks contains the Linux Kernel which boots on the PC and creates a ramdisk. It then loads the contents of the second (root) disk into this ramdisk. This disk contains a basic Linux filesystem and a copy of the emulator files. The upshot is that you get SimCoupe running without touching your PCs hard disk. Also the floppy drive(s) of the PC become the Sam drives, so once the emulator boots up you just hit the keypad -9 key (as these are bound to the Sam function keys) and it happily boots away :). So far I've tried it on a Pentum 100 here which usually runs Bimbows 95, and it worked fine. So far I haven't put together any docs on setting this up, but if people are interested I can make the disks available and we can sort out problems using the mail group Any takers? Now where did I put those W bosons....... Allan +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Now available! XCoupe, the one and only SAM Coupe emulator | | *** http://www.hep.ucl.ac.uk/~ajs/xcoupe *** | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ | Allan Skillman | "There are five flavours of resons, the | | HEPP Group | elementary particles of magic : up, down, | | University College London | sideways, sex-appeal and peppermint." | | Email : ajs@hep.ucl.ac.uk | - Terry Pratchett (Lords and Ladies) | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Sep 2 13:30:36 1996 From: "Doore, Dan [MIS]" To: sam-users Subject: RE: SimCoupe : The latest Date: Mon, 02 Sep 96 13:28:00 PDT Message-Id: <322B43AD@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 42 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1502 Lines: 42 > At the moment the only version of SimCoupe I have working is the Linux console > version, although the X version is in the works. This gave me an idea to > please all the DOS guys out there who want to try the emulator, but don't want > to install the OS. I have produced a boot/root disk combination so that > any PC (hopefully) can run the emulator. Basically one of the disks contains > the Linux Kernel which boots on the PC and creates a ramdisk. It then loads > the contents of the second (root) disk into this ramdisk. This disk contains > a basic Linux filesystem and a copy of the emulator files. The upshot is that > you get SimCoupe running without touching your PCs hard disk. Also the floppy > drive(s) of the PC become the Sam drives, so once the emulator boots up you > just hit the keypad -9 key (as these are bound to the Sam function keys) and > it happily boots away :). So far I've tried it on a Pentum 100 here which > usually runs Bimbows 95, and it worked fine. > > So far I haven't put together any docs on setting this up, but if people are > interested I can make the disks available and we can sort out problems > using the mail group > > Any takers? I want your children. But first I need a PC faster than a 486 50 I imagine. What's the miminum spec PC for at least 90% of Sam Speed? Dan. Dan Doore - Operations Mono Pod & Dogsbody 'This time he has a tie' --- SMTP: d.doore@lmu.ac.uk MailSig 1.6 - Chalkboard: [2F13] I will not hang donuts on my person From imc Tue Sep 3 12:41:30 1996 Subject: Re: Noise reduction To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 12:41:30 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <321DCD4C.37BF@pi.net> from "Stefan Drissen" at Aug 23, 96 05:25:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 757 Lines: 16 On Fri, 23 Aug 1996 17:25:00 +0200, Stefan Drissen said: > The question is however, what's it going to cost. Well, how about 5p? > All you need is one diode (1n4148, identical to D17 on SAMs circuit > board). Remove (cut out) the spool at L3 (the green thing that looks > like a resistor, near the soundchip). Solder the diode in at that > place, with the minus (black ring) nearest the back of your SAM (same > orientation as D17). So what does this do exactly, and why would I want it? (A much more interesting mod is to stick a debouncing circuit on the NMI button, which I've now done successfully to two sams. I also did it unsuccessfully to one sam - you may remember that a while back - but that may not have been entirely my fault). imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Sep 4 10:09:09 1996 Message-Id: <199609040908.LAA20522@dxmint.cern.ch> From: Allan Skillman Subject: RE: SimCoupe : The latest To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 4 Sep 96 11:08:15 METDST In-Reply-To: <322B43AD@courier.lmu.ac.uk>; from "Doore, Dan [MIS]" at Sep 02, 96 1:28 pm Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2601 Lines: 52 OK, peoplr have been asking a few questions regarding SimCoupe, so I'll try to answer them. But first to Dan : > > I want your children. But first I need a PC faster than a 486 50 I imagine. > Well there is an offer Dan! I developed the code on my NoteBook, which is just a 486 sx33. The emulator runs about 0.25 - 0.3 Sam speed on this machine, depending on what you are doing. For example Driver is usable, but its a bit silly trying to play games (unles you like winning). When I used the Pentium I mensioned in the last post it ran faster than a Sam without any palette tricks being used (although this stuff is far far faster than it used to be in XCoupe. > What's the miminum spec PC for at least 90% of Sam Speed? I guess either a Pentium 75 or above or say a 486 dx4 should be OK. A fast video card will help as well. The Linux console video library that SimCoupe uses is a bit limited. Not all SVGA cards are supported, although all the main ones are. The emulator will run in standard VGA, but the high res mode (which shows every pixel in mode 3) is not available. Also if your card supports linear video addressing (ie all the video memory is paged in at once) the high res mode works far better, I would love to have a talk to the pratt that thought 'let's use multiples of 320 pixels across the screen when our paging quantum is 64K' Finally, as the boot/root setup uses a 2M ramdisk, and no swap (as it can't acces the hard disk) I would recommend at least 8M of memory to run the program. I've just got to tart up a few bits an pieces of the code and add a nice dialog setup for video cards/mice etc. I was going to use trhe Linux RawWrite utility to produce the disk images, but as mensioned in the list Teledisk should work fine, and save peple having to down load extra software. I'll get on to this as soon as I have some spare time (possibly this evening) Remember, patience is virtue :) Allan +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Now available! XCoupe, the one and only SAM Coupe emulator | | *** http://www.hep.ucl.ac.uk/~ajs/xcoupe *** | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ | Allan Skillman | "There are five flavours of resons, the | | HEPP Group | elementary particles of magic : up, down, | | University College London | sideways, sex-appeal and peppermint." | | Email : ajs@hep.ucl.ac.uk | - Terry Pratchett (Lords and Ladies) | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Sep 4 10:57:39 1996 From: "Doore, Dan [MIS]" To: sam-users Subject: RE: SimCoupe : The latest Date: Wed, 04 Sep 96 10:56:00 PDT Message-Id: <322DC2E0@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 41 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1233 Lines: 41 > The emulator runs about 0.25 - 0.3 Sam speed on this machine, > depending on what you are doing. For example Driver is usable, but its a bit > silly trying to play games (unles you like winning). When I used the Pentium > I mensioned in the last post it ran faster than a Sam without any palette > tricks being used (although this stuff is far far faster than it used to be > in XCoupe. Is there a method of controlling the speed of the emulator since on a P133 games will probably be unplayable from being too fast. > The Linux console video library that SimCoupe uses is a bit limited. Not all > SVGA cards are supported, although all the main ones are. The emulator > will run in standard VGA. I presume 'main ones' are stuff like Trident, Stealth, ET4000, Tseng etc. > I'll get on to this as soon as I have some spare time (possibly this evening) > > Remember, patience is virtue :) Not one of mine though ;-) QUIT SHIRKIN' AND GIT WORKIN' BOY!!! :)) BTW: are you still planning on a DOS version or will it remain under Linux/X? Dan. Dan Doore - Operations Mono Pod & Dogsbody 'This time he has a tie' --- SMTP: d.doore@lmu.ac.uk MailSig 1.6 - Chalkboard: [2F18] The Good Humor man can only be pushed so far From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Sep 4 12:38:41 1996 Message-Id: <199609041137.NAA01908@dxmint.cern.ch> From: Allan Skillman Subject: RE: SimCoupe : The latest To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 4 Sep 96 13:37:08 METDST In-Reply-To: <322DC2E0@courier.lmu.ac.uk>; from "Doore, Dan [MIS]" at Sep 04, 96 10:56 am Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2334 Lines: 45 > Is there a method of controlling the speed of the emulator since on a P133 > games will probably be unplayable from being too fast. There is a speed up/slow down key combination, although I'm not sure whether its diabaled in SimCoupe (I commented out a lot of code when I was recoding) Eventually I will put in a timer check to get the emulator running at truee speed. > > I presume 'main ones' are stuff like Trident, Stealth, ET4000, Tseng etc. > Supported cards at the moment are :- VGA, Tseng ET3000, Tseng ET4000, Cirrus Logic GD542x, Trident TVGA8900/9000, Oak Technologies 037/067/077, S3 chipsets, Genoa 6400, ARK Logic, old ATI VGA, ATI Mach32, ALI2301, ATI Mach64, and Chips and tech. 655xx Of course I havn't tested SimCoupe on all of these, my machine uses a chips 65540 (this works coz I wrote the driver :) and the Pentium I tested it on had an S3 chip (it was a Dell). > BTW: are you still planning on a DOS version or will it remain under > Linux/X? As far as I know Chris White is writing a DOS version, but I don't know how far he has got. The last thing I heard from him was that he was writing an assembly version of the Z80 kernel to speed things up. (This is a much needed addition, I could use this for the Linux version as well). Unlike XCoupe, the console version of SimCoupe could probably be converted to run as a 32-bit Dos application (contradiction in terms :). I would need to know how to set up the vga stuff so I can access the frame buffer and switch vga pages etc, and also how to access the disk directly. But I guess I could get it running. Its not something I'm thinking of doing at the moment though. Allan +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Now available! XCoupe, the one and only SAM Coupe emulator | | *** http://www.hep.ucl.ac.uk/~ajs/xcoupe *** | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ | Allan Skillman | "There are five flavours of resons, the | | HEPP Group | elementary particles of magic : up, down, | | University College London | sideways, sex-appeal and peppermint." | | Email : ajs@hep.ucl.ac.uk | - Terry Pratchett (Lords and Ladies) | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ From imc Wed Sep 4 12:50:25 1996 Subject: Re: SimCoupe : The latest To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 12:50:25 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <199609041137.NAA01908@dxmint.cern.ch> from "Allan Skillman" at Sep 4, 96 01:37:08 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 789 Lines: 19 On Wed, 4 Sep 96 13:37:08 METDST, Allan Skillman said: > There is a speed up/slow down key combination, although I'm not sure whether > its diabaled in SimCoupe (I commented out a lot of code when I was recoding) xzx has a speed up/slow down key combination which works by inserting extra NOPs (ugh :-) ). On the other hand, xz80 does cycle counting and always runs at your desired speed (if your machine is fast enough) by sleeping for an appropriate amount of time at each interrupt. Of course, you removed the cycle counting code from xz80 in an attempt to speed it up, so that won't work anymore (I wonder whether it actually made it any faster. :-) ). > Eventually I will put in a timer check to get the emulator running at truee > speed. Perhaps you mean "put *back*". :-) imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Sep 4 18:10:23 1996 Posted-Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:08:58 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <322DB7AD.327C@pi.net> Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 19:09:01 +0200 From: Stefan Drissen Organization: SOLcorp X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Noise reduction References: <9609031141.AA02122@boothp2.ecs.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1464 Lines: 33 Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk wrote: > So what does this do exactly, and why would I want it? I wouldn't have a clue as to what it exactly does. I thought it had something to do with the spool/coil picking up extra radio(?) pulses caused by other circuitry on SAM's board and going along and dumping this onto the circuitry working with the soundchip. As to why you would want it.... ummm, why would I like my coat to be more waterproof when it rains? > (A much more interesting mod is to stick a debouncing circuit on the > NMI button, which I've now done successfully to two sams. I also did > it unsuccessfully to one sam - you may remember that a while back - but > that may not have been entirely my fault). Why? I can't say that I ever bother using the break button - a well written NMI routine can prevent the stackpointer going totally haywire. -- Stefan Drissen _____ ___ _ ___ ______ ___ ____ / _// \| | /\ | \ | _/ | /\ | \ _/ aka \_ \| || |__ / \| / | _|| |__ / \| / _| of ENTROPY /____/\___/\____\____\_|_\ |_| \____\____\_|_\___\ / \ / Email: drissen@pi.net http://www.pi.net/~drissen \ / Zevende Herven 6,5232 JZ 's-HERTOGENBOSCH,The Netherlands \ / telephone: +31-73-6414969 \ --------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Sep 4 18:53:14 1996 Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:49:36 GMT Message-Id: <199609041749.RAA13206@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: The NMI bounce From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (R.P.Brenchley) Cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Pipeuser: samsboss X-Pipehub: uk.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (R.P.Brenchley) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1286 Lines: 29 On Sep 04, 1996 19:09:01, 'Stefan Drissen ' wrote: >Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk wrote: > >> (A much more interesting mod is to stick a debouncing circuit on the >> NMI button, which I've now done successfully to two sams. I also did >> it unsuccessfully to one sam - you may remember that a while back - but >> that may not have been entirely my fault). > >Why? I can't say that I ever bother using the break button - a well >written NMI routine can prevent the stackpointer going totally haywire. > >-- Well Uncle Bruce was not to happy with his own design in the end. He had to put a de-bounced NMI on a little board as part of the Messenger system. Why he didn't get it right on the main board is just one of those questions that we will never know the answer too - like: Why is SAM looked on as being male - when it has the frustrating qualities you normally only see in a female? By the way. The extra holes on the messenger board were there to allow Bruce to add a "working" tape interface when people became too upset with the built-in one. I guess the lack of tape software deprived him of the extra upgrade cash... Oh Bruce, if only we could go back in time and show you the error of your ways - before you cocked-up that is. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Sep 4 19:59:36 1996 Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 19:42:22 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <17467@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SimCoupe : The latest X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 149 Lines: 7 Sounds like a nice idea that. How does one get a copy of these discs with SomCoupe? Teledosk images on nvg perhaps? Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Sep 4 23:02:14 1996 Message-Id: <9609042200.AA03969@mars.cableol.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Neil Maynard To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:03:03 +0000 Subject: RE: SimCoupe : The latest Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1299 Lines: 28 > > BTW: are you still planning on a DOS version or will it remain under > > Linux/X? > > As far as I know Chris White is writing a DOS version, but I don't know how > far he has got. The last thing I heard from him was that he was writing an > assembly version of the Z80 kernel to speed things up. (This is a much needed > addition, I could use this for the Linux version as well). Unlike XCoupe, the > console version of SimCoupe could probably be converted to run as a 32-bit Dos > application (contradiction in terms :). I would need to know how to > set up the vga stuff so I can access the frame buffer and switch vga pages > etc, and also how to access the disk directly. But I guess I could get it > running. Its not something I'm thinking of doing at the moment though. > > Allan I Must say that even though there may be a Dos version being written by someone else I would still like to see other Dos Emulators. You can never have too many emulators!! At the moment I just can't wait to get my hands on One let along Many!!! PS. Anyone writing any new games for the Sam ? Neil Maynard +-------------------------------+ |Neil Maynard | |E-Mail: mne2@cableol.co.uk | +-------------------------------+ From imc Thu Sep 5 12:23:26 1996 Subject: Re: Noise reduction To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 12:23:26 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <322DB7AD.327C@pi.net> from "Stefan Drissen" at Sep 4, 96 07:09:01 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 288 Lines: 8 On Wed, 04 Sep 1996 19:09:01 +0200, Stefan Drissen said: > As to why you would want it.... ummm, why would I like my coat to be > more waterproof when it rains? That's not much of an answer. What is the noticeable effect on my Sam that I might be likely to hear if I did this? imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Sep 5 15:17:06 1996 Message-Id: X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 15:14:43 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: The NMI bounce Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 535 Lines: 13 Omigawd... I've just seen who this "samsboss" person is -- none other than Bob Brenchley (unless it's someone playing games with their mail software). Welcome to the list, Bob. :) Now, everyone else - no barbecues please :) Si +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) -+ | Snail:26 Woodhouse Lane, Sale, Cheshire, M33 4JX Pager*: (01426) 208084| | Tel: (0161) 976 3426 | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc --*55p/min peak, 35p/min offpeak -+ From imc Thu Sep 5 15:23:36 1996 Subject: Re: The NMI bounce To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 15:23:36 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Simon Cooke" at Sep 5, 96 03:14:43 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 323 Lines: 8 On Thu, 05 Sep 1996 15:14:43 +0100, Simon Cooke said: > Omigawd... I've just seen who this "samsboss" person is -- none other than > Bob Brenchley (unless it's someone playing games with their mail software). ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Oh come on! Course it is. :-) imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Sep 5 22:09:57 1996 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 21:05:48 GMT Message-Id: <199609052105.VAA15407@pipe1.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: The NMI bounce From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss) Cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Pipeuser: samsboss X-Pipehub: uk.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (Samsboss) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 442 Lines: 16 On Sep 05, 1996 15:23:36, 'Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk' wrote: >On Thu, 05 Sep 1996 15:14:43 +0100, Simon Cooke said: >> Omigawd... I've just seen who this "samsboss" person is -- none other than >> Bob Brenchley (unless it's someone playing games with their mail software). >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >Oh come on! Course it is. :-) > >imc -- Who is this guy Bob Brenchley???? Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Sep 5 22:11:08 1996 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 21:07:42 GMT Message-Id: <199609052107.VAA15492@pipe1.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: The Boss From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss) Cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Pipeuser: samsboss X-Pipehub: uk.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (Samsboss) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1589 Lines: 28 On Sep 05, 1996 15:14:43, 'scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke)' wrote: >Omigawd... I've just seen who this "samsboss" person is -- none other than >Bob Brenchley (unless it's someone playing games with their mail software). > >Welcome to the list, Bob. :) > >Now, everyone else - no barbecues please :) > >Si >+- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) -+ >| Snail:26 Woodhouse Lane, Sale, Cheshire, M33 4JX Pager*: (01426) 208084| >| Tel: (0161) 976 3426 | >+- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc --*55p/min peak, 35p/min offpeak -+ > -- Got you............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................ Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Sep 6 06:52:04 1996 Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 06:30:43 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <17524@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: The Boss X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 213 Lines: 12 No, he is too silly to be Bob! I thomk its a Lisa program written for SAM with an RS232 link to a Sun Sparcstation... The dots are the character corruption you get at times ... Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Sep 6 10:33:32 1996 Message-Id: X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 10:31:09 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: The Boss Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 520 Lines: 17 >Status: > >No, he is too silly to be Bob! > >I thomk its a Lisa program written for SAM with an RS232 link to >a Sun Sparcstation... > >The dots are the character corruption you get at times ... *grins* Simon +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) -+ | Snail:26 Woodhouse Lane, Sale, Cheshire, M33 4JX Pager*: (01426) 208084| | Tel: (0161) 976 3426 | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc --*55p/min peak, 35p/min offpeak -+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sat Sep 7 10:41:47 1996 Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 09:39:35 GMT Message-Id: <199609070939.JAA02526@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: The Boss From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Bruce Gordon) X-Pipeuser: samsboss X-Pipehub: uk.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (Bruce Gordon) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1102 Lines: 35 On Sep 06, 1996 06:30:43, 'Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.)' wrote: >No, he is too silly to be Bob! > >I thomk its a Lisa program written for SAM with an RS232 link to >a Sun Sparcstation... > >The dots are the character corruption you get at times ... > >Brian > > >-- >Brian Gaff Sam Dept. -- What!!!!!!!!!!!!! ME ----- SILLY????????? nEVER, nOT mE, cAN'T sTAND sILLY pEOPLE........ Thats why I love my nice sencibble SAM. And apart from that. The silly thing is that this daft internet mail package allowes you to just type in a name - any name - now who should I be today. And the dots were just me falling asleep at the keyboarddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd... Oh dear me, must get more sleep time. Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com -- Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sat Sep 7 14:33:19 1996 Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 13:30:48 GMT Message-Id: <199609071330.NAA01876@pipe1.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Back To Serious Things From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (The Boss) Cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Pipeuser: samsboss X-Pipehub: uk.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (The Boss) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1100 Lines: 32 On Sep 07, 1996 11:06:23, 'so_does_mine@@bgserv.demon.co.uk (not another alias!)' wrote: >This is getting very silly. Its obvious you are someone already >here. I know its quiet, but please, we can all use silly >aliases! > > > >-- >not another alias! -- Ok, back to the real world. And down to some serious work. I'm still after the serial protocol used by the standard PC serial mouse. I've spent hours hunting the web but there seems to be very little REAL detail on anything to do with the PC. Is this a plot by those that know, to keep us in the dark, so they can make money out of us? What I want to know is what the connections are (although I presume it is the standard 9 pin connections the same as on the comms interface) but more important - I need to know what data bytes are sent from the mouse and in what conditions. If anyone even has a web address I could go to it would be a start. Anyway, must close now. I'm overdue for the mid morning coffee... Hugs all round. Look forward to hearing from someone. Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sat Sep 7 15:11:50 1996 Message-Id: X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 15:08:17 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Back To Serious Things Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1908 Lines: 48 >Ok, back to the real world. And down to some serious work. >I'm still after the serial protocol used by the standard PC serial mouse. >I've spent hours hunting the web but there seems to be very little REAL >detail on anything to do with the PC. Is this a plot by those that know, to > >keep us in the dark, so they can make money out of us? > >What I want to know is what the connections are (although I presume it is >the standard 9 pin connections the same as on the comms interface) but more >important - I need to know what data bytes are sent from the mouse and in >what conditions. > >If anyone even has a web address I could go to it would be a start. > >Anyway, must close now. I'm overdue for the mid morning coffee... > >Hugs all round. Look forward to hearing from someone. >Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com Well, I've got a nice book on Zilog Pointing Interface and Keyboard Controllers which has all the details in it. And the Comms interface needs modification before it will work. And not all mice *will* work with it, because of the power requirements (the sam's comms int. doesn't have enough control signals to drive some of them). Basically, it's: (AFAICR) 1200 baud, 8 bits, info is: 1st byte: 1 1 L R V7 V6 H7 H6 2nd byte: 1 0 H5 H4 H3 H2 H1 H0 3rd byte: 1 0 V5 V4 V3 V2 V1 V0 Every time there's a change in mouse position, or button status change, the mouse sends these three bytes. To find the first byte of three, check for bit 6 being set, and ignore any you get until then. That do? Now... after I've been so nice - what's your *REAL* name? Simon Cooke +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) -+ | Snail:26 Woodhouse Lane, Sale, Cheshire, M33 4JX Pager*: (01426) 208084| | Tel: (0161) 976 3426 | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc --*55p/min peak, 35p/min offpeak -+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sat Sep 7 15:14:44 1996 Message-Id: X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 15:11:06 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Back To Serious Things Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 835 Lines: 25 Sorry - forgot something. Basically, it's: (AFAICR) 1200 baud, 7 bits, 2 stop bits. Info is: 1st byte: 1 L R V7 V6 H7 H6 2nd byte: 0 H5 H4 H3 H2 H1 H0 3rd byte: 0 V5 V4 V3 V2 V1 V0 Every time there's a change in mouse position, or button status change, the mouse sends these three bytes. To find the first byte of three, check for bit 6 being set, and ignore any you get until then. That do? You could also use 7 bits, mask parity (zero), 1 stop bit. Now... after I've been so nice - what's your *REAL* name? Simon Cooke +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) -+ | Snail:26 Woodhouse Lane, Sale, Cheshire, M33 4JX Pager*: (01426) 208084| | Tel: (0161) 976 3426 | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc --*55p/min peak, 35p/min offpeak -+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sun Sep 8 05:21:51 1996 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Dean Liversidge Organization: The Mad House To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 17:29:12 +0000 Subject: Re: SimCoupe : The latest Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.32a) Message-Id: <842146318.1313.0@error.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1894 Lines: 38 > At the moment the only version of SimCoupe I have working is the Linux console > version, although the X version is in the works. This gave me an idea to > please all the DOS guys out there who want to try the emulator, but don't want > to install the OS. I have produced a boot/root disk combination so that > any PC (hopefully) can run the emulator. Basically one of the disks contains > the Linux Kernel which boots on the PC and creates a ramdisk. It then loads > the contents of the second (root) disk into this ramdisk. This disk contains > a basic Linux filesystem and a copy of the emulator files. The upshot is that > you get SimCoupe running without touching your PCs hard disk. Also the floppy > drive(s) of the PC become the Sam drives, so once the emulator boots up you > just hit the keypad -9 key (as these are bound to the Sam function keys) and > it happily boots away :). So far I've tried it on a Pentum 100 here which > usually runs Bimbows 95, and it worked fine. > > So far I haven't put together any docs on setting this up, but if people are > interested I can make the disks available and we can sort out problems > using the mail group > > Any takers? Well, you can count me in as one :-) I keep saying that i'm going to have a bash at Linux, but never get around to finding out about it. I see the CD set at about 70 quid :-( So a bootable Linux setup would be good fun, a multiboot would be even better but i suppose i need the Linux sytem for that. Let us know if you get the disks sorted. Cheers now, Dean -- Dean Liversidge .__ . , Co-Sysop of Dalmation BBS | \ _.|._ _ _.-+-* _ ._ The First SAM Bulletin Board |__/(_]|[ | )(_] | |(_)[ ) Saturday 12:00pm till midnight. >>>>>>> +44 1744 614150 >>>>>> Sysop: Dave Whitmore From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sun Sep 8 23:01:03 1996 From: Lord Blackadder To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mmdf-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at relay-3.mail.demon.net Subject: Re: SimCoupe : The latest Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 21:03:56 +0100 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1080 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <842213046.6743.0@orinocco.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1970 Lines: 52 > From: Allan Skillman > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Subject: SimCoupe : The latest > Date: Monday, September 02, 1996 3:20 PM > > The big news is that I got a mail from Simon Goodwin (of Crash fame), and > through him I've been in contact with Andy Wright, the Author of the ROM. > He has given his permission for the ROMs to be distributed with the emulator! > So all future releases will include the ROM files. I'll also get them up on > the Web page as soon as I get some time. In the mean time, if anyone would > like a copy I can Email the files to you, just drop me a line. > I'd like a copy please. How is Simon Goodwin these days? Last I heard he was involved in a music studio thingy? An ex-employee of the place where I now work told me of this... > > At the moment the only version of SimCoupe I have working is the Linux console > version, although the X version is in the works. This gave me an idea to > please all the DOS guys out there who want to try the emulator, but don't want > to install the OS. Don't want to install Linux????????? Why would anyone NOT want to install Linux. They would have to be a complete Bill Gates. What else was the PC made for if it wasn't Linux? Lord B' -- Lord Blackadder, Entropy Technology. Blackadder@orinocco.demon.co.uk http://www.orinocco.demon.co.uk "Choose life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose a fucking big television. Choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players and electrical tin openers... choose DIY and wondering who the fuck you are on a Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing, spirit crushing game shows, stuffing junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pishing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, fucked up brats you spawned to replace yourself. Choose future. Choose life... But why would I want to do a thing like that?" - Renton From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Sep 9 00:34:19 1996 From: Lord Blackadder To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mmdf-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at relay-3.mail.demon.net Subject: Re: SimCoupe : The latest Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 21:03:49 +0100 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1080 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <842213045.6730.0@orinocco.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1317 Lines: 39 > From: Doore, Dan [MIS] > To: sam-users > Subject: RE: SimCoupe : The latest > Date: Wednesday, September 04, 1996 6:56 PM > > > Remember, patience is virtue :) > > Not one of mine though ;-) > > QUIT SHIRKIN' AND GIT WORKIN' BOY!!! :)) > Calm down, Calm down. > BTW: are you still planning on a DOS version or will it remain under > Linux/X? > DOS! Not another DOS-pot. Come on peeps, get a good OS. Get Linux. Or go to http://www3.sco.com and get a FREE license for SCO openserver. Yes FREE!!!! And that's the Dev kit. Lord B' -- Lord Blackadder, Entropy Technology. Blackadder@orinocco.demon.co.uk http://www.orinocco.demon.co.uk "Choose life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose a fucking big television. Choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players and electrical tin openers... choose DIY and wondering who the fuck you are on a Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing, spirit crushing game shows, stuffing junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pishing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, fucked up brats you spawned to replace yourself. Choose future. Choose life... But why would I want to do a thing like that?" - Renton From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Sep 9 01:11:36 1996 From: Lord Blackadder To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mmdf-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at relay-3.mail.demon.net Subject: Re: The NMI bounce Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 21:03:39 +0100 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1080 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <842213043.6717.0@orinocco.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 806 Lines: 31 > From: Samsboss > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Subject: Re: The NMI bounce > Date: Thursday, September 05, 1996 10:05 PM > > On Sep 05, 1996 15:23:36, 'Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk' wrote: > > > >On Thu, 05 Sep 1996 15:14:43 +0100, Simon Cooke said: > >> Omigawd... I've just seen who this "samsboss" person is -- none other > than > >> Bob Brenchley (unless it's someone playing games with their mail > software). > >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > >Oh come on! Course it is. :-) > > > >imc > -- > Who is this guy Bob Brenchley???? > Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com Some sad twat with a finger problem! Lord B' -- Lord Blackadder, Entropy Technology. Blackadder@orinocco.demon.co.uk http://www.orinocco.demon.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Sep 9 02:34:07 1996 Message-Id: X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 02:31:05 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: The NMI bounce Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 645 Lines: 19 >> Who is this guy Bob Brenchley???? >> Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com > >Some sad twat with a finger problem! Speaking of which, I can't finger samsboss... or rather, if I finger his mail server I get a rather rude message telling me I've been logged and will get into trouble. Still, there's more than one way to skin a cat... :) Si Cooke +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) -+ | Snail:26 Woodhouse Lane, Sale, Cheshire, M33 4JX Pager*: (01426) 208084| | Tel: (0161) 976 3426 | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc --*55p/min peak, 35p/min offpeak -+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Sep 9 09:06:03 1996 From: "Doore, Dan [MIS]" To: sam-users Subject: Re: SimCoupe : The latest Date: Mon, 09 Sep 96 09:03:00 PDT Message-Id: <32343FDF@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 37 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1355 Lines: 37 > DOS! Not another DOS-pot. Come on peeps, get a good OS. Get Linux. Or go > to http://www3.sco.com and get a FREE license for SCO openserver. Yes > FREE!!!! And that's the Dev kit. What I've got on my desk is DOS, not Linux not SCO not NeXT so surprisingly that's why I would like to see a DOS version. Simple. > Lord B' > -- > Lord Blackadder, Entropy Technology. > Blackadder@orinocco.demon.co.uk > http://www.orinocco.demon.co.uk > > "Choose life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. > Choose a fucking big television. Choose washing machines, cars, > compact disc players and electrical tin openers... > choose DIY and wondering who the fuck you are on a Sunday morning. > Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing, spirit crushing > game shows, stuffing junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away > at the end of it all, pishing your last in a miserable home, > nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, fucked up brats > you spawned to replace yourself. Choose future. Choose life... > > But why would I want to do a thing like that?" - Renton Hmmm... Bit of a long Sig that one, watch it of I'll set Brian onto you :) Dan. Dan Doore - Operations Mono Pod & Dogsbody 'This time he has a tie' --- SMTP: d.doore@lmu.ac.uk MailSig 1.6 - Troy MacClure was in: [8F14] Introductory video to "Rancho Relaxo" From imc Mon Sep 9 15:04:12 1996 Subject: Re: Back To Serious Things To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 15:04:12 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Simon Cooke" at Sep 7, 96 03:08:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 260 Lines: 10 On Sat, 07 Sep 1996 15:08:17 +0100, Simon Cooke said: > 1200 baud, 8 bits, info is: > > 1st byte: 1 1 L R V7 V6 H7 H6 > 2nd byte: 1 0 H5 H4 H3 H2 H1 H0 > 3rd byte: 1 0 V5 V4 V3 V2 V1 V0 OK so how do you know whether the middle button is pressed? :-) imc From imc Mon Sep 9 15:06:37 1996 Subject: Re: The NMI bounce To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 15:06:37 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Simon Cooke" at Sep 9, 96 02:31:05 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 382 Lines: 15 On Mon, 09 Sep 1996 02:31:05 +0100, Simon Cooke said: > Speaking of which, I can't finger samsboss... or rather, if I finger his > mail server I get a rather rude message telling me I've been logged and will > get into trouble. Nasty! But I got a most amusing error message when I tried... % host -l uk.pipeline.com *** Error during listing of uk.pipeline.com: Success ?! imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Sep 9 16:19:18 1996 Message-Id: X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 16:16:40 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Back To Serious Things Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 627 Lines: 19 >Status: > >On Sat, 07 Sep 1996 15:08:17 +0100, Simon Cooke said: >> 1200 baud, 8 bits, info is: >> >> 1st byte: 1 1 L R V7 V6 H7 H6 >> 2nd byte: 1 0 H5 H4 H3 H2 H1 H0 >> 3rd byte: 1 0 V5 V4 V3 V2 V1 V0 > >OK so how do you know whether the middle button is pressed? :-) Now, THAT is a very good question ;) Simon +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) -+ | Snail:26 Woodhouse Lane, Sale, Cheshire, M33 4JX Pager*: (01426) 208084| | Tel: (0161) 976 3426 | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc --*55p/min peak, 35p/min offpeak -+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Sep 9 22:29:40 1996 Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 21:26:06 GMT Message-Id: <199609092126.VAA01037@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: The NMI bounce From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (The Boss) Cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Pipeuser: samsboss X-Pipehub: uk.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (The Boss) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1072 Lines: 34 On Sep 09, 1996 15:06:37, 'Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk' wrote: >On Mon, 09 Sep 1996 02:31:05 +0100, Simon Cooke said: >> Speaking of which, I can't finger samsboss... or rather, if I finger his >> mail server I get a rather rude message telling me I've been logged and will >> get into trouble. > >Nasty! > >But I got a most amusing error message when I tried... > >% host -l uk.pipeline.com >*** Error during listing of uk.pipeline.com: Success > >?! > >imc -- Funny! I get lots of strange messages from Pipeline as well. Anybody out there care to recommend a good access provider. By good I mean (1) cheap, (2) access at 28800 or better, (3) unlimited on-line time - I spend a lot of time on this thing so that lets AOI and Compuserve out, (4) good - easy to use software. And finally a provider that takes credit cards cos I just got one. I know lots of you are on as Uni accounts (boy am I glad to be free of that so I can hide my ID...) and I've seen a couple of AOL and Compuserve. But what else is there now? Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Sep 10 13:32:12 1996 From: "Doore, Dan [MIS]" To: sam-users Subject: Re: The NMI bounce Date: Tue, 10 Sep 96 13:29:00 PDT Message-Id: <3235CFB6@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 21 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 572 Lines: 21 > But I got a most amusing error message when I tried... > > % host -l uk.pipeline.com > *** Error during listing of uk.pipeline.com: Success My mate at RIPE has had a go too, he says: "Sorry I have drawn a blank on this one, can't find the host registered anyhere and it seems to be behind a firewall as I can't finger or traceroute or even nslookup the address does not exist ?? :-(" Bizarre. Dan. Dan Doore - Operations Mono Pod & Dogsbody 'This time he has a tie' --- SMTP: d.doore@lmu.ac.uk MailSig 1.6 - Troy MacClure was in: [8F14] "Gladys The Groovy Mule" From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Sep 10 13:36:49 1996 Subject: Re: The NMI bounce To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 13:34:34 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <3235CFB6@courier.lmu.ac.uk> from "Doore, Dan [MIS]" at Sep 10, 96 01:29:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <96Sep10.143507+0200_met_dst.62519-387+588@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 384 Lines: 12 > My mate at RIPE has had a go too, he says: > > "Sorry I have drawn a blank on this one, can't find the host registered > anyhere and it seems to be behind a firewall as I can't finger or > traceroute or even nslookup the address does not exist ?? :-(" > > Bizarre. Try pipe1.uk.pipeline.com.... you *do* get somewhere with that, but not far (cue nasty message on finger) Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Sep 10 13:37:21 1996 Message-Id: <9609101234.AA08687@namu23.num.math.uni-goettingen.de> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Cc: slawek@math.uni-goettingen.de Subject: Re: Back To Serious Things In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 07 Sep 96 15:11:06 BST." Date: Tue, 10 Sep 96 14:34:49 +0200 From: slawek@math.uni-goettingen.de X-Mts: smtp Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 913 Lines: 36 Hi All !!! >Sorry - forgot something. > >Basically, it's: >(AFAICR) > >1200 baud, 7 bits, 2 stop bits. Info is: I think this is 120 bps , 8N1 , my PC mouse work with it ... >1st byte: 1 L R V7 V6 H7 H6 >2nd byte: 0 H5 H4 H3 H2 H1 H0 >3rd byte: 0 V5 V4 V3 V2 V1 V0 1st byte : 1 1 L R Y Y X X or so , when X X are 1 1 the mouse go left when X X are 0 0 the mouse go right for Y Y that same , but with up and down ... 2nd byte : 1 and seven bits for x position left or right 3nd byte : 1 and " " " y " up or down >Every time there's a change in mouse position, or button status change, the >mouse sends these three bytes. To find the first byte of three, check for bit >6 being set, and ignore any you get until then. > >That do? You could also use 7 bits, mask parity (zero), 1 stop bit. > >Now... after I've been so nice - what's your *REAL* name? > >Simon Cooke > bye Slawek. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Sep 10 13:42:22 1996 Message-Id: <9609101238.AA08574@namu23.num.math.uni-goettingen.de> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Cc: slawek@math.uni-goettingen.de Subject: Re: Back To Serious Things In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 09 Sep 96 15:04:13 BST." <9609091404.AA01251@boothp2.ecs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 96 14:38:13 +0200 From: slawek@math.uni-goettingen.de X-Mts: smtp Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 232 Lines: 10 >OK so how do you know whether the middle button is pressed? :-) > >imc In the 3 byte ( ms ) mouse You have only 2 buttons , sorry ... In 5 byte ( pc - old , not so good ) You have 3 buttons , need You a driver for it ? Slawek. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Sep 10 14:37:39 1996 From: "Doore, Dan [MIS]" To: sam-users Subject: Re: The NMI bounce Date: Tue, 10 Sep 96 14:32:00 PDT Message-Id: <3235DE76@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 19 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 484 Lines: 19 > Try pipe1.uk.pipeline.com.... you *do* get somewhere with that, but not > far (cue nasty message on finger) The man says: pipe1.uk.pipeline.com = IP 154.32.96.2 "It belongs to a block belonging to uk eunet or PSINET now but more than this I cannot find, presumably a dial-up account from old eunet. " Dan. Dan Doore - Operations Mono Pod & Dogsbody 'This time he has a tie' --- SMTP: d.doore@lmu.ac.uk MailSig 1.6 - Chalkboard: [7F09] I will not pledge allegiance to Bart From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Sep 10 14:48:26 1996 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 15:48:07 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9609101348.AA28974@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: The NMI bounce X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1621 Lines: 31 > pipe1.uk.pipeline.com = IP 154.32.96.2 > > "It belongs to a block belonging to uk eunet or PSINET now but more > than this I cannot find, presumably a dial-up account from old eunet. " The following answer is not authoritative: uk.pipeline.com 78874 IN NS pri1.dns.psi.net uk.pipeline.com 78874 IN NS pri2.dns.psi.net uk.pipeline.com 78874 IN NS pri3.dns.psi.net hagbart:~> traceroute 38.8.94.2 traceroute to 38.8.94.2 (38.8.94.2), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 venn.nvg.unit.no (129.241.163.82) 1.31 ms 0.855 ms 0.826 ms 2 lade-gw.unit.no (129.241.163.1) 2.021 ms 1.984 ms 1.942 ms 3 unit-gw.sintef.no (129.241.21.161) 5.287 ms 8.309 ms 6.838 ms 4 trdS-gw.uninett.no (129.241.181.15) 17.668 ms 6.744 ms 6.617 ms 5 osloS-gw.uninett.no (128.39.0.101) 14.194 ms 16.728 ms 13.948 ms 6 no-gw2.nordu.net (128.39.0.141) 15.781 ms 15.67 ms 15.676 ms 7 syd-gw.nordu.net (192.36.148.57) 220.693 ms 188.119 ms 248.185 ms 8 icm-gw.nordu.net (192.36.148.193) 93.738 ms 105.73 ms 100.144 ms 9 * icm-uk-1-H1/0-E3.icp.net (198.67.131.41) 181 ms 178.369 ms 10 icm-pen-1-H2/0-T3.icp.net (198.67.131.25) 227.955 ms 228.886 ms 237.022 m s 11 icm-pen-1-F0/0.icp.net (192.157.69.30) 229.111 ms * * 12 icm-dc-2-H0/0-T3.icp.net (198.67.131.17) 282.095 ms * 534.986 ms 13 icm-dc-1-F0/0.icp.net (198.67.131.36) 281.822 ms 229.154 ms 263.295 ms 14 icm-mae-e-H1/0-T3.icp.net (198.67.131.9) 277.926 ms * 257.707 ms 15 mae-east.psi.net (192.41.177.245) 269.685 ms 309.732 ms 276.196 ms 16 pri1.dns.psi.net (38.8.94.2) 406.81 ms * * -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Sep 10 15:05:02 1996 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 13:17:48 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <17611@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Back To Serious Things X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 743 Lines: 19 Well, are you saying you cannot get SAM-PX-SAM comms? I was doing this when I could see! You use Pro_Dos and the ZMP terminal on the SAM end, which has Zmodem, so you only need something like Telix on the PC and a null modem cable. Of course if you want reliability, you need the mod doing to the interface or incoming characters get confused. The usual symptom is repeated characters. I will leave it to others to post the mod. Its very simple and if you do the DTR pin mod as well, you can use software and hardware handsking I seem to recall. Also I seem to recall seeing a terminal for SAM with Xmodem on nvg, so what is all this web searcing about. Peeps seem to think the world revolves round the web! Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Sep 10 15:05:03 1996 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 13:26:55 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <17612@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SimCoupe : The latest X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 270 Lines: 10 DOS is a fact of life! I will go Linus when its a mas market product that I can get well known software for and when I can afford a machine with enough RAM to actually leave room for the applications! :-) Don't be elitest, (unless its a Sam) -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Sep 10 15:26:17 1996 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 14:23:44 GMT Message-Id: <199609101423.OAA12704@pipe1.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Back To Serious Things From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (The Boss) Cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no, slawek@math.uni-goettingen.de X-Pipeuser: samsboss X-Pipehub: uk.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (The Boss) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1246 Lines: 36 On Sep 10, 1996 14:38:13, 'slawek@math.uni-goettingen.de' wrote: >>OK so how do you know whether the middle button is pressed? :-) >> >>imc > >In the 3 byte ( ms ) mouse You have only 2 buttons , sorry ... > >In 5 byte ( pc - old , not so good ) You have 3 buttons , need You a driver for > >it ? > >Slawek. -- I'm told by my local PC shop that most people are asking for three buttom mice now to go with the dreaded Win'95. However, they also warn that the writing is on the wall for serial mice using the 9 or 25 pin Com port. This is because nearly all the new Pentium boards and a lot of the 486 boards all have PS/2 mouse sockets built in. Still, they are still serial I'm told - but then I was told my 386DX40 would last me for years when I first got it - "Excelent machine young sir... State of the art and you can run everything that is coming out". and that was just 31 months ago. By the way. Mr Cooke said that a mod was needed to the SAM Comms interface to get it working. I use mine for transfer to an old Amstrad 1640 as it only has 5.25 inch drives so I cant just convert the files on to PC disc. I've never had problems - is there a problem? If so can someone but me right. Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com From imc Tue Sep 10 15:33:44 1996 Subject: Re: Back To Serious Things To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 15:33:44 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <199609101423.OAA12704@pipe1.uk.pipeline.com> from "The Boss" at Sep 10, 96 02:23:44 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 392 Lines: 10 On Tue, 10 Sep 1996 14:23:44 GMT, The Boss said: > I'm told by my local PC shop that most people are asking for three buttom > mice now to go with the dreaded Win'95. If and when I buy a PC and a mouse I'm going to make sure it has three buttons because no other kind of mouse has a right to exist. :-) Besides, you need three buttons for the proper use of X. imc (Win'95, what's that?) From imc Tue Sep 10 15:34:26 1996 Subject: Re: SimCoupe : The latest To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 15:34:26 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <17612@bgserv.demon.co.uk> from "Brian Gaff Sam Dept." at Sep 10, 96 01:26:55 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 313 Lines: 8 On Tue, 10 Sep 1996 13:26:55 GMT, Brian Gaff Sam Dept. said: > I will go Linus when its a mas market product that I can get > well known software for and when I can afford a machine with > enough RAM to actually leave room for the applications! :-) Hold on, Windows is hardly a memory-saving system... :-) imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Sep 10 15:55:27 1996 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 14:52:33 GMT Message-Id: <199609101452.OAA17746@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Back To Serious Things From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (The Boss) Cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Pipeuser: samsboss X-Pipehub: uk.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (The Boss) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 844 Lines: 25 On Sep 10, 1996 15:33:44, 'Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk' wrote: >On Tue, 10 Sep 1996 14:23:44 GMT, The Boss said: >> I'm told by my local PC shop that most people are asking for three buttom >> mice now to go with the dreaded Win'95. > >If and when I buy a PC and a mouse I'm going to make sure it has three buttons >because no other kind of mouse has a right to exist. :-) > >Besides, you need three buttons for the proper use of X. > >imc (Win'95, what's that?) -- Win'95 is the system that my computer will not run because I am tooooo poor to have 16Mb RAM, a Pentium processor and a 1Gb hard drive. Let alone the SVGA super delux monitor, the multi-midia bits and lets not forget the price of the new software to make use of it. If only the numbers 21, 28, 33, 34, 41 and 46 would come up. Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Sep 10 15:59:00 1996 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 14:55:16 GMT Message-Id: <199609101455.OAA17798@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SimCoupe : The latest From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (The Boss) Cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Pipeuser: samsboss X-Pipehub: uk.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (The Boss) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 606 Lines: 18 On Sep 10, 1996 15:34:26, 'Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk' wrote: >On Tue, 10 Sep 1996 13:26:55 GMT, Brian Gaff Sam Dept. said: >> I will go Linus when its a mas market product that I can get >> well known software for and when I can afford a machine with >> enough RAM to actually leave room for the applications! :-) > >Hold on, Windows is hardly a memory-saving system... :-) > >imc -- No, I agree, it has got to be dos based. In fact why not make the emulator run on an 8 bit computer - say a SAM Coupe :-))) (thats a big fat smile with lots of double chins) Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Sep 10 22:17:23 1996 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 21:15:25 GMT Message-Id: <199609102115.VAA25043@pipe1.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: The NMI bounce From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (The Boss) Cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Pipeuser: samsboss X-Pipehub: uk.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (The Boss) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1889 Lines: 43 On Sep 10, 1996 15:48:07, 'ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe)' wrote: >> pipe1.uk.pipeline.com = IP 154.32.96.2 >> >> "It belongs to a block belonging to uk eunet or PSINET now but more >> than this I cannot find, presumably a dial-up account from old eunet. " > >The following answer is not authoritative: >uk.pipeline.com 78874 IN NS pri1.dns.psi.net >uk.pipeline.com 78874 IN NS pri2.dns.psi.net >uk.pipeline.com 78874 IN NS pri3.dns.psi.net > >hagbart:~> traceroute 38.8.94.2 >traceroute to 38.8.94.2 (38.8.94.2), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets >1 venn.nvg.unit.no (129.241.163.82) 1.31 ms 0.855 ms 0.826 ms >2 lade-gw.unit.no (129.241.163.1) 2.021 ms 1.984 ms 1.942 ms >3 unit-gw.sintef.no (129.241.21.161) 5.287 ms 8.309 ms 6.838 ms >4 trdS-gw.uninett.no (129.241.181.15) 17.668 ms 6.744 ms 6.617 ms >5 osloS-gw.uninett.no (128.39.0.101) 14.194 ms 16.728 ms 13.948 ms >6 no-gw2.nordu.net (128.39.0.141) 15.781 ms 15.67 ms 15.676 ms >7 syd-gw.nordu.net (192.36.148.57) 220.693 ms 188.119 ms 248.185 ms >8 icm-gw.nordu.net (192.36.148.193) 93.738 ms 105.73 ms 100.144 ms >9 * icm-uk-1-H1/0-E3.icp.net (198.67.131.41) 181 ms 178.369 ms >10 icm-pen-1-H2/0-T3.icp.net (198.67.131.25) 227.955 ms 228.886 ms 237.022 >m >s >11 icm-pen-1-F0/0.icp.net (192.157.69.30) 229.111 ms * * >12 icm-dc-2-H0/0-T3.icp.net (198.67.131.17) 282.095 ms * 534.986 ms >13 icm-dc-1-F0/0.icp.net (198.67.131.36) 281.822 ms 229.154 ms 263.295 ms >14 icm-mae-e-H1/0-T3.icp.net (198.67.131.9) 277.926 ms * 257.707 ms >15 mae-east.psi.net (192.41.177.245) 269.685 ms 309.732 ms 276.196 ms >16 pri1.dns.psi.net (38.8.94.2) 406.81 ms * * > >-Frode -- You know, when I showed this to the guy at Pipeline they had a good grin and said "it will never work" Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Sep 11 01:07:14 1996 Message-Id: X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 01:04:42 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: The NMI bounce Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 554 Lines: 14 > >You know, when I showed this to the guy at Pipeline they had a good grin >and said "it will never work" Probably right, but then, they don't know the tricks we know ;) BTW: Bit of an alien abduction/conspiracy enthusiast are we? ;) ;) ;) Si +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) -+ | Snail:26 Woodhouse Lane, Sale, Cheshire, M33 4JX Pager*: (01426) 208084| | Tel: (0161) 976 3426 | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc --*55p/min peak, 35p/min offpeak -+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Sep 11 11:51:09 1996 Message-Id: <9609111049.AA08082@namu24.num.math.uni-goettingen.de> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Cc: slawek@math.uni-goettingen.de Subject: files in incoming directory Date: Wed, 11 Sep 96 12:49:32 +0200 From: slawek@math.uni-goettingen.de X-Mts: smtp Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 164 Lines: 10 Hi !!! I have a question : can anyone move the files biox.txt and SAM81.zip to the temp directory , that I can get it ? What is with You Frode ? bye, Slawek. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Sep 11 12:00:01 1996 Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 12:59:17 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9609111059.AA29775@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: files in incoming directory X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 461 Lines: 15 > Hi !!! > > I have a question : can anyone move the files biox.txt and SAM81.zip to the temp > directory , that I can get it ? > > What is with You Frode ? Sorry, my fault. It has been moved to temp. As you can all see, these is a few file there. Perhaps someone can help me to organise them? Oh. Status on the redecorating business. I have to do the bathroom from scratch also. This will probably take some time, so no SAM before that. *sniff* -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Sep 11 12:16:23 1996 Message-Id: X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 12:13:17 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: files in incoming directory Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2153 Lines: 62 >Sorry, my fault. It has been moved to temp. As you can all see, these is >a few file there. Perhaps someone can help me to organise them? Sure... though there's a fair few files in there that we've already told you where to put ;) -rw-r--r-- 1 frodet nettverk 11613 Sep 11 12:54 Bios.txt ? -rw-r--r-- 1 frodet nettverk 11562 Sep 11 12:54 Sam81.zip Utilities? -rw-r--r-- 1 frodet nettverk 313334 Dec 6 1995 arcadia5.td0 Magazines - Arcadia Issue 5 -rw-r--r-- 1 frodet nettverk 12251 Dec 6 1995 dirs.zip PC Utils -- reads SAM disks -rw-r--r-- 1 frodet nettverk 289345 Dec 6 1995 hd_ide.zip IDE Hard-drive docs -- put in DOCS -rw-r--r-- 1 frodet nettverk 31934 Dec 6 1995 kd101195.td0 KE Disk, update 10th Nov 1995. SAM Utils? -rw-r--r-- 1 frodet nettverk 3429 Dec 6 1995 kdnew.zip Anohter update patch --- KE DISK -rw-r--r-- 1 frodet nettverk 21647 Dec 6 1995 mdii.pak Mouse Drive II - put in utils -rw-r--r-- 1 frodet nettverk 361016 Dec 6 1995 metem7.td0 Metempsychosis issue 7 - magazines -rw-r--r-- 1 frodet nettverk 1015 Dec 11 1995 mod204.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 frodet nettverk 541043 Dec 11 1995 mod204.zip Modplayer v.2.04 with docs -rw-r--r-- 1 frodet nettverk 351152 Dec 6 1995 public3.td0 SAM Public issue 3- magazines -rw-r--r-- 1 frodet nettverk 15673 Dec 6 1995 reader.ans -rw-r--r-- 1 frodet nettverk 81408 Dec 6 1995 reader.doc FRED Magazine reader docs, one in text format, the other MSWord 6.0 - put in DOCS -rw-r--r-- 1 frodet nettverk 151994 Dec 6 1995 scad.zip BAD FILE - DELETE -rw-r--r-- 1 frodet nettverk 151996 Dec 6 1995 scads.zip SCADS system disk - SAM Utils - game creator. -rw-r--r-- 1 frodet nettverk 27779 Dec 6 1995 spectile.zip SAM Game - Spectile. That do? Si +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) -+ | Snail:26 Woodhouse Lane, Sale, Cheshire, M33 4JX Pager*: (01426) 208084| | Tel: (0161) 976 3426 | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc --*55p/min peak, 35p/min offpeak -+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Sep 12 03:15:55 1996 Path: esoftc.seuk.com!paul.walker From: paul walker Date: 11 Sep 96 19:11:40 +0000 Subject: Back To Serious Things Message-Id: <250_9609112302@seuk.com> Organization: SEUK, Guildford, UK In-Reply-To: m0uzOGx-00001UC@jumper.mcc.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1251 Lines: 32 s> 1st byte: 1 L R V7 V6 H7 H6 V and H are the other way around, ie H7 H6 V7 V6. Let's try this (oh - anyone whose system can't cope with PC "hi-ascii", skip this message) : When a mouse event occurs, 3 interrupts are generated and the bytes are availble via the COM port. The three bytes sent are formatted as follows: 1st byte 2nd byte 3rd byte +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ |-|1|?|?|X|X|Y|Y||-|0|X|X|X|X|X|X||-|0|Y|Y|Y|Y|Y|Y| +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | | +++ +++ +----+----+ +----+----+ | | | | | | | | | +------------+--------+ | | | +--------+ | | | | | +++ +----+----+ +++ +----+----+ | | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | | | | | | | | | | || | | | | | | | | Left Button --+ | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Right Button ----+ X increment Y increment The X and Y increment values are in 2's compliment signed char format. Paul --- GoldED -- Standard disclaimer: My views are strictly my own. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Sep 12 05:56:49 1996 Path: esoftc.seuk.com!paul.walker From: paul walker Date: 10 Sep 96 17:11:05 +0000 Subject: Help? Message-Id: <24f_9609112302@seuk.com> Organization: SEUK, Guildford, UK To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2051 Lines: 54 How're you all feeling at machine code? Okay, so most of you could do this in your sleep, but I've got to start somewhere...! :) I wrote this (pinching bits from the Comet manual) to try and get a simple program, an extending line going across the screen. Only thing is, there must be a change or something that I'm not aware of, because this code is fantastically unstable - running it inside Comet is guaranteed disaster, running it "fresh" is fine until you exit, and as for using a monitor program... forget it. Probably part of it is because I'm used to Intel assembly, but I'm not sure where I'm going wrong... Help?! === ORG 32768 DUMP 32768 start: CALL CLS ; Clear screen LD A,100 ; Do 100 pixels LD B,50 ; At y=50 LD C,1 ; Start x=1 loop: CALL plot ; Put pixel CALL wait ; Wait (so I can see it) INC C ; increase x DEC A ; decrease count CP 0 ; have we done them all? JR NZ,loop ; no, continue looping... RET ; return to basic ; PLOT routine - entry values B = y, C = x plot: PUSH BC ; save values PUSH HL CALL &139 ; call jumptable (PLOT) POP HL POP BC RET ; CLS - clear entire screen cls: XOR A ; signal all screen CALL &014E ; jumptable CLEAR BLOCK RET ; Wait for keypress wait: LD HL,&5C3B ; FLAGS BIT 5,(HL) ; key pressed? JR Z,wait ; No, keep waiting RES 5,(HL) ; reset key RET === Paul ... America, land of opportunity for Japanese businessmen. --- GoldED -- Standard disclaimer: My views are strictly my own. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Sep 12 08:05:59 1996 Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 09:05:43 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9609120705.AA01426@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Help? X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1713 Lines: 57 > === > ORG 32768 > DUMP 32768 > > start: > CALL CLS ; Clear screen > LD A,100 ; Do 100 pixels > LD B,50 ; At y=50 > LD C,1 ; Start x=1 > loop: > CALL plot ; Put pixel > CALL wait ; Wait (so I can see it) > INC C ; increase x Remember, here comes an operation on the AF register-pair: > DEC A ; decrease count > CP 0 ; have we done them all? You don't need this one. > JR NZ,loop ; no, continue looping... > RET ; return to basic > > ; PLOT routine - entry values B = y, C = x You don't save AF. The routine JPLOT leaves A in an undefined state (well, if you proble long enough you'll probably be able to define it, but..) > plot: > PUSH BC ; save values > PUSH HL You don't need to save HL as you don't use it for nothing. PUSH AF > CALL &139 ; call jumptable (PLOT) POP AF > POP HL > POP BC > RET > > ; CLS - clear entire screen > cls: XOR A ; signal all screen > CALL &014E ; jumptable CLEAR BLOCK > RET > Does this one actually work? > ; Wait for keypress > wait: LD HL,&5C3B ; FLAGS > BIT 5,(HL) ; key pressed? > JR Z,wait ; No, keep waiting > RES 5,(HL) ; reset key > RET -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Sep 12 10:56:44 1996 Subject: Re: Back To Serious Things To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 10:54:15 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <250_9609112302@seuk.com> from "paul walker" at Sep 11, 96 07:11:40 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <96Sep12.115455+0200_met_dst.62511-390+1098@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 543 Lines: 15 > > > s> 1st byte: 1 L R V7 V6 H7 H6 > > V and H are the other way around, ie H7 H6 V7 V6. Let's try this (oh - anyone whose system can't cope with PC "hi-ascii", skip this message) : Are you ***SURE*** about that? It's just that I've got various source codes for various Zilog microcontrollers in their Keyboard and Mouse/Input devices, and they say V7 V6 H7 H6 all the way through... I've just checked the source, and that's correct too.... Also, the proof of the pudding: I've written a routine to do it, and that works :) Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Sep 12 11:20:51 1996 Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 12:19:51 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9609121019.AA01687@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: files in incoming directory X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 545 Lines: 23 > >Sorry, my fault. It has been moved to temp. As you can all see, these is > >a few file there. Perhaps someone can help me to organise them? > > Sure... though there's a fair few files in there that we've already told you > where to put ;) Argh. Sorry, I'll try to improve. :) > > -rw-r--r-- 1 frodet nettverk 11613 Sep 11 12:54 Bios.txt > ? Moved to ./misc/sam. [the rest deleted] The archive has now been updated. Many thanks Si. The directory ./utils/misc is a tad vague. I'll try to come up with something better. -Frode From imc Thu Sep 12 11:57:49 1996 Subject: Re: Help? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 11:57:49 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <24f_9609112302@seuk.com> from "paul walker" at Sep 10, 96 05:11:05 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 508 Lines: 13 On 10 Sep 96 17:11:05 +0000, paul walker said: > How're you all feeling at machine code? Okay, so most of you could do this in your sleep, but I've got to start somewhere...! :) Just a small point... do you happen to have a RETURN key on your keyboard? > DEC A ; decrease count > CP 0 ; have we done them all? Hey, no one ever uses "CP 0". It's about as useful as "LD D,D". :-) Besides, "DEC A" sets the zero flag already if A is zero. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Sep 12 22:16:03 1996 Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 19:53:57 GMT Message-Id: <199609121953.TAA02309@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Back To Serious Things From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (The Boss) Cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Pipeuser: samsboss X-Pipehub: uk.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (The Boss) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 394 Lines: 12 On Sep 11, 1996 19:11:40, 'paul walker ' wrote: >(oh - anyone >whose system can't cope with PC "hi-ascii", skip this message) : > Please excuse simple mind - but what is"Hi-ascii". I've heard of ASCII and ANSII but not Hi-ascii. And it never came up in computer studies at school, I've just checked my course note to make sure. Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Sep 13 01:48:53 1996 Message-Id: X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 01:46:11 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Back To Serious Things Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 731 Lines: 16 >Please excuse simple mind - but what is"Hi-ascii". I've heard of ASCII and >ANSII but not Hi-ascii. And it never came up in computer studies at school, >I've just checked my course note to make sure. > >Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com HI ASCII refers to characters above the ASCII defined range of 0-127. (ie they have value 128-255). PC's use them for block graphic drawing, mathematical symbols and accented characters. Simon +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) -+ | Snail:26 Woodhouse Lane, Sale, Cheshire, M33 4JX Pager*: (01426) 208084| | Tel: (0161) 976 3426 | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc --*55p/min peak, 35p/min offpeak -+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Sep 13 16:17:04 1996 From: "Doore, Dan [MIS]" To: Sam Users Subject: I'll be back Date: Fri, 13 Sep 96 16:13:00 PDT Message-Id: <3239EAAD@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Encoding: 11 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 242 Lines: 11 I'm moving jobs, but never fear, I will return. Dan. Dan Doore - Operations Mono Pod & Dogsbody 'This time he has a tie' --- SMTP: d.doore@lmu.ac.uk MailSig 1.6 - Homer's Mmmms: [9F12] grapefruit (after telling Pepe a story about Bart) From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Sep 13 16:59:16 1996 Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 16:41:29 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <17697@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Back To Serious Things X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 230 Lines: 14 Hi Ascii to me is anything higher than 127 code wise. By the way, did you understands Frodo's mail with those addresses in? Blowed if I did. Why does the name Nev keep coming into my mind.... Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Sep 13 18:52:37 1996 Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 18:44:56 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <17702@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Sam for Sale (not mine) X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 253 Lines: 9 Right what is the going rate for a SAM with 2 floppies, 2Up, 1Mb, Mouse, mostly games software. It was bought during the MGT period I think, but he person's daughter has outgrown it.. well,.. trying not to be rude here! Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Sep 13 19:32:24 1996 Date: 13 Sep 96 14:28:35 EDT From: Ian Dalziel <100717.2266@compuserve.com> To: SAM-USERS Subject: Email addresses Message-Id: <960913182834_100717.2266_EHU27-1@CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 267 Lines: 10 Couple of Email addresses some of you might be interested in : Bob Brenchley : formatpub@aol.com Nev Young : 106166.1560@compuserve.com I got them from Nev, so I'd appreciate the flames being turned down - he knows where I work, and he's bigger than me! Ian From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Sep 13 22:32:07 1996 Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 19:41:16 GMT Message-Id: <199609131941.TAA28237@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Back To Serious Things From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Sams Boss) Cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Pipeuser: samsboss X-Pipehub: uk.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (Sams Boss) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2260 Lines: 62 On Sep 13, 1996 01:46:11, 'scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke)' wrote: >Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no by uk.pipeline.com >(8.6.12/SMI-4.1.3-PIPELINE-pop-local) > id UAA05051; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 20:47:52 -0400 >Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no id <62557-16134>; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 02:48:07 >+0200 >Received: from jumper.mcc.ac.uk ([130.88.202.26]) by sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no >with SMTP id <62553-16134>; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 02:47:37 +0200 >Received: from annex2-2.mcc.ac.uk by jumper.mcc.ac.uk with smtp > (Linux Smail3.1.29.0 #12) id m0v1McI-00001OC; Fri, 13 Sep 96 02:00 BST >Message-Id: >X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk >X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 01:46:11 +0100 >To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no >From: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) >Subject: Re: Back To Serious Things >Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no >Precedence: bulk >Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > >>Please excuse simple mind - but what is"Hi-ascii". I've heard of ASCII and >>ANSII but not Hi-ascii. And it never came up in computer studies at school, >>I've just checked my course note to make sure. >> >>Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com > >HI ASCII refers to characters above the ASCII defined range of 0-127. (ie >they have value 128-255). PC's use them for block graphic drawing, >mathematical symbols and accented characters. > >Simon >+- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) -+ >| Snail:26 Woodhouse Lane, Sale, Cheshire, M33 4JX Pager*: (01426) 208084| >| Tel: (0161) 976 3426 | >+- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc --*55p/min peak, 35p/min offpeak -+ > -- The 7 bit ascii codes go from 0 to 127. 8 bit ascii from 0-255. As every machine now uses at least the 8 bit set it is not usual to refer to ascii other than in 8 bit terms. In the original posting there seemed to be a diagram but on my news viewer it came out as a jumble of characters because there seemed to be no spacing. Is this because there were some form of tab characters involved? Or is there another reason? Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sun Sep 15 08:55:22 1996 From: Lord Blackadder To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mmdf-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at relay-3.mail.demon.net Subject: Re: SimCoupe : The latest Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 20:58:25 +0100 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1080 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <842769964.2921.0@orinocco.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1183 Lines: 36 > From: Brian Gaff Sam Dept. > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Subject: Re: SimCoupe : The latest > Date: Tuesday, September 10, 1996 2:26 PM > > DOS is a fact of life! > > I will go Linus when its a mas market product that I can get > well known software for and when I can afford a machine with > enough RAM to actually leave room for the applications! :-) Well there are few million in the world using Linux (Byte seems to thing there are huge numbers). As for software??? Word Perfect 6 for SCO works great on Linux. In fact every SCO Open Server package I have tried so far works - even things as unknown as SeaChange (Database/4GL) - and it comes with loads of software anyway? RAM - I used to run it a 4 Meg PC using X and lots of apps running. And I can't believe there a people out there with less than 4 Megs (20 UKP for 4 Meg SIMM, 68 UKP 16 Meg SIMM and that's with VAT) > > Don't be elitest, (unless its a Sam) > Don't use and Operating System if it's not UNIX. Anything else is poor in comparison. > -- > Brian Gaff Sam Dept. -- Lord Blackadder, Entropy Technology. Blackadder@orinocco.demon.co.uk http://www.orinocco.demon.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sun Sep 15 13:12:00 1996 Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 13:06:33 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <17743@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SimCoupe : The latest X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 388 Lines: 15 Hmm, I do not think the argument is wether Linus is good or not, somply what is there out there in the home. Its DOS and Windows, with OS2 and Linux way down the card. Now if Linux got theor matketting hats on and made everything very easy to do, then I would use it. Change the subject... who is going to subscribe Nec and Bob to this list then ? :-) Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Sep 16 04:04:48 1996 Path: esoftc.seuk.com!paul.walker From: paul walker Date: 14 Sep 96 23:25:30 +0000 Subject: Back To Serious Things Message-Id: <32f_9609151825@seuk.com> Organization: SEUK, Guildford, UK In-Reply-To: 96Sep12.115455+0200_met_dst.62511-390+1098@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 464 Lines: 11 >> V and H are the other way around, ie H7 H6 V7 V6. Let's try this (oh SC> Are you ***SURE*** about that? It's just that I've got various source SC> codes for various Zilog microcontrollers in their Keyboard and Ah... That might be the difference, then - I got my info from a source for the PC mouse, as I thought that's what he wanted. I haven't a clue about stuff for Z80 controllers. Paul --- GoldED -- Standard disclaimer: My views are strictly my own. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Sep 16 07:26:36 1996 Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 08:26:46 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9609160626.AA04991@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Back To Serious Things X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 297 Lines: 13 > Hi Ascii to me is anything higher than 127 code wise. > By the way, did you understands Frodo's mail with those > addresses in? Blowed if I did. Are you referring to me? Or a character from The Hobbit? What addresses? > > Why does the name Nev keep coming into my mind.... No idea. -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Sep 16 07:40:25 1996 Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 08:40:33 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9609160640.AA04995@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Back To Serious Things X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1996 Lines: 42 > The 7 bit ascii codes go from 0 to 127. 8 bit ascii from 0-255. As every > machine now uses at least the 8 bit set it is not usual to refer to ascii > other than in 8 bit terms. Where were you during basics? ASCII is defined from 0 to 127 including. ASCII is per definition 7 bits and there is nothing in the world you can do to have 8 bits ASCII. There have been atempts to introduce 8 bits character sets and call them something ASCII (IBM did that in the '70s). There is a standard ISO-8859 which defines various 8 bits sets for use in different parts of the world. This is the propper way of denoting anything other than ASCII. All other implementations of the extra 128-255 set is highly machine dependant. Spectrums has one, SAMs' got another, PCs. Archies, BBCs, Amigas, etc.... > > In the original posting there seemed to be a diagram but on my news viewer > it came out as a jumble of characters because there seemed to be no > spacing. Is this because there were some form of tab characters involved? > Or is there another reason? > See for yourself, it's reproduced below and is as far as I can see ASCII only. > 1st byte 2nd byte 3rd byte > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > |-|1|?|?|X|X|Y|Y||-|0|X|X|X|X|X|X||-|0|Y|Y|Y|Y|Y|Y| > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | | +++ +++ +----+----+ +----+----+ > | | | | | | > | | | +------------+--------+ | > | | +--------+ | | | > | | +++ +----+----+ +++ +----+----+ > | | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | | | | | | | | | | || | | | | | | | | > Left Button --+ | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > Right Button ----+ X increment Y increment > Why are you using a news viewer to read mail? -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Sep 16 09:17:33 1996 Path: esoftc.seuk.com!paul.walker From: paul walker Date: 14 Sep 96 16:51:13 +0000 Subject: Back To Serious Things Message-Id: <32e_9609151825@seuk.com> Organization: SEUK, Guildford, UK In-Reply-To: 199609131941.TAA28237@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 504 Lines: 15 s> In the original posting there seemed to be a diagram but on my news s> viewer it came out as a jumble of characters because there seemed to s> be no spacing. Is this because there were some form of tab characters s> involved? Or is there another reason? Must have been something along the way, because when it left here it looked perfectly okay. Paul ... Darling? Put the hammer down, please! No, not ther%$$%@ NO CARRIER --- GoldED -- Standard disclaimer: My views are strictly my own. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Sep 16 10:32:52 1996 Path: esoftc.seuk.com!paul.walker From: paul walker Date: 14 Sep 96 23:26:32 +0000 Subject: Help? Message-Id: <330_9609151825@seuk.com> Organization: SEUK, Guildford, UK In-Reply-To: 9609121057.AA07579@boothp2.ecs.ox.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 721 Lines: 20 IC> Just a small point... do you happen to have a RETURN key on your IC> keyboard? Actually, yes, but as QEdit word-wraps automatically, I don't usually need it. I think that my message was reformatted somewhere along the way, because someone else complained of bad spacing as well. IC> Hey, no one ever uses "CP 0". It's about as useful as "LD D,D". :-) "I use that all the time!" ;) IC> Besides, "DEC A" sets the zero flag already if A is zero. This is where the equivalent of the Norton Assembler Guide would come in REALLY useful, for Z80/Sam stuff. Anyone want to have a go...? (While I'm writing, how do you unsubscribe from here?) Paul --- GoldED -- Standard disclaimer: My views are strictly my own. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Sep 16 10:36:34 1996 Path: esoftc.seuk.com!paul.walker From: paul walker Date: 14 Sep 96 23:28:19 +0000 Subject: Back To Serious Things Message-Id: <331_9609151825@seuk.com> Organization: SEUK, Guildford, UK In-Reply-To: 199609121953.TAA02309@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 746 Lines: 16 s> Please excuse simple mind - but what is"Hi-ascii". I've heard of ASCII s> and ANSII but not Hi-ascii. And it never came up in computer studies Not simple at all! :) "Hi-ascii" (and the quotes are intentional) is the general name for the extension of the ascii standard, which only defines characters 0..127. Characters 128..255 are used for various different things on different systems, and some computers choke on them, hence the warning. I'm not sure quite what Sam does when confronted with it - never tried. Hmm. s> at school, I've just checked my course note to make sure. It doesn't always - some places ignore it, others just take it for granted, I think. Paul --- GoldED -- Standard disclaimer: My views are strictly my own. From imc Mon Sep 16 12:13:17 1996 Subject: Re: Help? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 12:13:17 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <330_9609151825@seuk.com> from "paul walker" at Sep 14, 96 11:26:32 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1332 Lines: 27 On 14 Sep 96 23:26:32 +0000, paul walker said: > Actually, yes, but as QEdit word-wraps automatically, I don't usually need it. I think that my message was reformatted somewhere along the way, because someone else complained of bad spacing as well. Evidently it doesn't! What it probably does is display in word-wrapped mode while not actually doing it. This is *bad* because it causes this confusion (the most popular editor with ignorant engineers on this system is Openwindows textedit, which does the same thing, so whenever they print out their practicals the printer only prints the first 80 characters of each paragraph). > IC> Besides, "DEC A" sets the zero flag already if A is zero. > This is where the equivalent of the Norton Assembler Guide would come in REALLY useful, for Z80/Sam stuff. Anyone want to have a go...? I believe someone has already made a list of instructions with flags (but I don't actually know what the Norton Assembler Guide is). Some time ago I sent a photocopy of my fairly detailed Z80 data sheet (from the manufacturers SGS) to Arnt so that he could OCR it, but that seems to have been abandoned. > (While I'm writing, how do you unsubscribe from here?) Send mail to majordomo@nvg.unit.no saying "unsubscribe sam-users", I believe. *Don't* send it to sam-users@nvg.unit.no. :-) imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Sep 16 13:11:03 1996 Message-Id: <199609161208.OAA02265@dxmint.cern.ch> From: Allan Skillman Subject: SimCoupe v0.1 ready for downloading To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 16 Sep 96 14:08:43 METDST Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 896 Lines: 20 Hi All, I've just put together a quick web page for SimCoupe, where you can download the Linux Boot/root installation. Just go to the xcoupe page and follow the link. Right I'm off to lunch now, back later..... Allan -- +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Now available! XCoupe, the one and only SAM Coupe emulator | | *** http://www.hep.ucl.ac.uk/~ajs/xcoupe *** | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ | Allan Skillman | "There are five flavours of resons, the | | HEPP Group | elementary particles of magic : up, down, | | University College London | sideways, sex-appeal and peppermint." | | Email : ajs@hep.ucl.ac.uk | - Terry Pratchett (Lords and Ladies) | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Sep 16 16:11:07 1996 Path: esoftc.seuk.com!paul.walker From: paul walker Date: 15 Sep 96 13:18:31 +0000 Subject: Help? Message-Id: <344_9609160735@seuk.com> Organization: SEUK, Guildford, UK In-Reply-To: 9609120705.AA01426@asmal.edh-net To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 918 Lines: 29 ft@edh.ericsson.se to Paul Walker, 12 Sep 96 08:05, about Re: Help?. This is proving to be tricky - I don't have the information I need about what operations are available, and what they do to various flags/registers. Sigh. >> CP 0 ; have we done them all? f> You don't need this one. Okay, I'll try that. >> ; PLOT routine - entry values B = y, C = x f> You don't save AF. The routine JPLOT leaves A in an undefined f> state (well, if you proble long enough you'll probably be Thanks! That could well explain part of it, at least. f> You don't need to save HL as you don't use it for nothing. Wasn't sure if the jplot changed it. >> ; CLS - clear entire screen f> Does this one actually work? Yep - before I put it in, the pixels were displayed on the Comet editor screen, but afterwards the screen was cleared. Paul --- GoldED -- Standard disclaimer: My views are strictly my own. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Sep 16 17:17:34 1996 Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 16:13:52 GMT Message-Id: <199609161613.QAA18627@pipe1.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Back To Serious Things From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Sams Boss) Cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Pipeuser: samsboss X-Pipehub: uk.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (Sams Boss) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1580 Lines: 40 On Sep 16, 1996 08:40:33, 'ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe)' wrote: > >See for yourself, it's reproduced below and is as far as >I can see ASCII only. > >> 1st byte 2nd byte 3rd byte >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> |-|1|?|?|X|X|Y|Y||-|0|X|X|X|X|X|X||-|0|Y|Y|Y|Y|Y|Y| >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> | | +++ +++ +----+----+ +----+----+ >> | | | | | | >> | | | +------------+--------+ | >> | | +--------+ | | | >> | | +++ +----+----+ +++ +----+----+ >> | | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> | | | | | | | | | | || | | | | | | | | >> Left Button --+ | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> Right Button ----+ X increment Y increment >> Many thanks, this copy is ok. The earlier on never had more than one space between characters so all the spacing was shot. > >Why are you using a news viewer to read mail? > >-Frode -- On pipeline the news and email viewers are the same, although the top part changes, I just got just confused when I typed the message - it must be BSE, I never could resist a mad cow... Oooo yes, must not forget, Format arrived this morning with a Two-up I ordered and there is a very nice directory of SAM + Spectrum companies in the center 8 pages. Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Sep 16 18:32:29 1996 From: Gavin Smith Organization: University of Ulster To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 18:25:03 GMT Subject: 72-pin Simms on Sam? X-Confirm-Reading-To: "Gavin Smith" X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-Id: <20119690D34@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 309 Lines: 6 I remember reading in Sam Prime (or one of David Ledbury's other fanzines - which reminds me - where the hell is Z2 issue 2?) that someone was working on some kind of an interface so that Sam could take standard 72pin Simms...what happened? By the way, does Frank Broughton exist? Anyone ever met him? :) From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Sep 16 20:08:03 1996 Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 19:04:41 GMT Message-Id: <199609161904.TAA09931@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: 72-pin Simms on Sam? From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Sams Boss) Cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Pipeuser: samsboss X-Pipehub: uk.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (Sams Boss) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 432 Lines: 11 On Sep 16, 1996 18:25:03, '"Gavin Smith" ' wrote: >I remember reading in Sam Prime (or one of David Ledbury's other >fanzines - which reminds me - where the hell is Z2 issue 2?) that >someone was working on some kind of an interface so that Sam could >take standard 72pin Simms...what happened? If it was anything to do with David Ledbury mags it was probably made up. Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Sep 17 02:45:48 1996 Message-Id: X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 02:42:51 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: 72-pin Simms on Sam? Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1220 Lines: 28 >Status: > >I remember reading in Sam Prime (or one of David Ledbury's other >fanzines - which reminds me - where the hell is Z2 issue 2?) that >someone was working on some kind of an interface so that Sam could >take standard 72pin Simms...what happened? That was me & Martin... basically, the MultiROM and SAM Accelerator took over... If it's still wanted, we could work something out... the EMC regs kind of scupper most plans though... Still, we could write an article about it in BOAI, and stick postscript acetate PCB files on a disk or something... Something to think about anyway. If anyone's interested, and wondering how to generate the RAS and CAS signals, try using the SAM CPUCLK line to split up the MREQ&RD/WR signals to form them. Worked for Bruce in the Meg interface. >By the way, does Frank Broughton exist? Anyone ever met him? :) Apparently he does. But no, nobody I know has :) Si +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) -+ | Snail:26 Woodhouse Lane, Sale, Cheshire, M33 4JX Pager*: (01426) 208084| | Tel: (0161) 976 3426 | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc --*55p/min peak, 35p/min offpeak -+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Sep 17 02:47:05 1996 Message-Id: X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 02:44:00 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: 72-pin Simms on Sam? Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 887 Lines: 23 >Status: > >On Sep 16, 1996 18:25:03, '"Gavin Smith" ' wrote: > > >>I remember reading in Sam Prime (or one of David Ledbury's other >>fanzines - which reminds me - where the hell is Z2 issue 2?) that >>someone was working on some kind of an interface so that Sam could >>take standard 72pin Simms...what happened? > >If it was anything to do with David Ledbury mags it was probably made up. I resent that... I had a fair bit to do with issues 6 & 7... Describe the stuff you claim was "made up" and I'll tell you whether it was or not. Simon +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) -+ | Snail:26 Woodhouse Lane, Sale, Cheshire, M33 4JX Pager*: (01426) 208084| | Tel: (0161) 976 3426 | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc --*55p/min peak, 35p/min offpeak -+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Sep 17 02:53:54 1996 Message-Id: X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 02:50:47 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: SimCoupe v0.1 ready for downloading Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 621 Lines: 20 >Status: > >Hi All, > >I've just put together a quick web page for SimCoupe, where you can download >the Linux Boot/root installation. Just go to the xcoupe page and follow >the link. > >Right I'm off to lunch now, back later..... Argh! Broken link! You've not closed off your email address properly! :) Simon +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) -+ | Snail:26 Woodhouse Lane, Sale, Cheshire, M33 4JX Pager*: (01426) 208084| | Tel: (0161) 976 3426 | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc --*55p/min peak, 35p/min offpeak -+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Sep 17 03:13:13 1996 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Dean Liversidge Organization: The Mad House To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 05:01:15 +0000 Subject: Re: Back To Serious Things Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.32a) Message-Id: <842913181.11290.0@error.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1645 Lines: 38 >Please excuse simple mind - but what is"Hi-ascii". I've heard of ASCII > and ANSII but not Hi-ascii. And it never came up in computer studies at > school, > >HI ASCII refers to characters above the ASCII defined range of 0-127. (ie > >they have value 128-255). PC's use them for block graphic drawing, > >mathematical symbols and accented characters. > > > >Simon > > The 7 bit ascii codes go from 0 to 127. 8 bit ascii from 0-255. As every > machine now uses at least the 8 bit set it is not usual to refer to ascii > other than in 8 bit terms. > > In the original posting there seemed to be a diagram but on my news viewer > it came out as a jumble of characters because there seemed to be no > spacing. Is this because there were some form of tab characters involved? > Or is there another reason? > Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com ASCII is only 7 bits, but modern computers don't use 7 bits so the extra bit it used buy the computer manufactures for there own purpose, there is no '8-bit ASCII'. AFAICR :-) The reson for the incorrect spacing is probably due to you using windows, and viewing the messages with a proportionaly spaced font, with ASCII you should use a monospaced font, such as windows 'TERMINAL' font or 'OEM' font. Any clearer, or as clear as mud ?? ;-) Bye -- Dean Liversidge .__ . , Co-Sysop of Dalmation BBS | \ _.|._ _ _.-+-* _ ._ The First SAM Bulletin Board |__/(_]|[ | )(_] | |(_)[ ) Saturday 12:00pm till midnight. >>>>>>> +44 1744 614150 >>>>>> Sysop: Dave Whitmore From imc Tue Sep 17 11:41:55 1996 Subject: Re: Back To Serious Things To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 11:41:55 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <331_9609151825@seuk.com> from "paul walker" at Sep 14, 96 11:28:19 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 512 Lines: 14 On 14 Sep 96 23:28:19 +0000, paul walker said: > I'm not sure quite what Sam does when confronted with it - never tried. Hmm. What do you mean, "confronted with it"? You can certainly say "PRINT CHR$ 144" on a Sam, as you well know because that's the only way to get a user-defined graphic (as opposed to pressing caps shift and 9 and then typing an A, which is what you do on the Speccy). Also, if you use "less" to display a file it uses the ISO8859-1 character set by default for characters 160-255. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Sep 17 14:10:14 1996 Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 06:27:20 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <17793@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Back To Serious Things EMC X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 208 Lines: 8 I was listening to something on the Ham Radio Today tape I get which suggests that if an item is supplied as a kit and details published in a mag, EMC does not matter at all. Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Sep 17 14:10:22 1996 Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 06:22:33 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <17792@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Back To Serious Things X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 207 Lines: 8 I think many view news and mail the same way, indeed, the news posted from here goes as Email to Demon, so Qedit, my edotor, will give the same results on all postings/mail. Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Sep 17 14:10:22 1996 Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 08:37:55 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9609170637.AA06253@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Help? X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 185 Lines: 8 > f> You don't need to save HL as you don't use it for nothing. > > Wasn't sure if the jplot changed it. It probably does together with AF, but _you_ only use AF and BC.... -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Sep 17 14:20:26 1996 Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 15:19:38 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9609171319.AA08591@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Back To Serious Things X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 224 Lines: 7 > I think many view news and mail the same way, indeed, the news > posted from here goes as Email to Demon, so Qedit, my edotor, > will give the same results on all postings/mail. That does not justify ignorance. -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Sep 18 13:16:10 1996 Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 12:24:59 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <17838@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Back To Serious Things X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 495 Lines: 17 In message <9609171319.AA08591@asmal.edh-net> ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) writes: > > I think many view news and mail the same way, indeed, the news > > posted from here goes as Email to Demon, so Qedit, my edotor, > > will give the same results on all postings/mail. > > That does not justify ignorance. > > -Frode > It does if the software does not allow any change though. I expect this will get far worse before it gets better, if it ever does. Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Sep 18 13:27:49 1996 Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 14:28:19 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9609181228.AA10672@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Back To Serious Things X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 313 Lines: 9 > It does if the software does not allow any change though. I > expect this will get far worse before it gets better, if it ever > does. No, news and mail are two interly different concepts. If this awareness is not there, the ignorant will only spread hawoc. Ignorance can never be justified anywhere. -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Sep 18 14:11:08 1996 Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 14:09:37 +0100 From: Keith Turner Message-Id: <9609181309.AA08664@turner.cursci.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Popularity == Ignorance Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 826 Lines: 21 Frode grumbled: > No, news and mail are two interly different concepts. If this > awareness is not there, the ignorant will only spread hawoc. > Ignorance can never be justified anywhere. The days of the Internet being used by only IT experts are over. Now the Internet has been popularised, 80% of the users are going to see Usenet news as very similar to Internet e-mail. Ignorance is rife. Perhaps we could agree some local netiquette rules for the sam-users list? Frode could include the rules in the message sent to new users of the list. Guidelines like: 1) sam-users mailings are intended to be viewed in an 80 character wide window using a fixed pitched font and standard ASCII only. 2) Binary files and very large messages should be made available on FTP or web sites and simply announced on the list. / To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Popularity == Ignorance X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1344 Lines: 34 > Frode grumbled: > > No, news and mail are two interly different concepts. If this > > awareness is not there, the ignorant will only spread hawoc. > > Ignorance can never be justified anywhere. > > The days of the Internet being used by only IT experts are over. Now, that's sad. ;) > Now the Internet has been popularised, 80% of the users are going to > see Usenet news as very similar to Internet e-mail. Ignorance is > rife. There have always been rules in societies, everything from getting into somebody's pants to blood-revenge. You were not allowed to hit the road with you fathers brand new 350Hp Corvette without having steerd anything with more than two weels before...at the age of 14? Why shouldn't we expect that newcommers to Internet took the time and effort it takes to learn basic netiquette? > > Perhaps we could agree some local netiquette rules for the sam-users > list? Frode could include the rules in the message sent to new users of > the list. Guidelines like: > > 1) sam-users mailings are intended to be viewed in an 80 character wide > window using a fixed pitched font and standard ASCII only. > > 2) Binary files and very large messages should be made available on FTP > or web sites and simply announced on the list. That is a good idea. I'll keep it in mind and stick it in some day. :) -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Sep 18 16:09:38 1996 Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 16:02:55 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <17853@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Back To Serious Things X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 896 Lines: 24 In message <9609181228.AA10672@asmal.edh-net> ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) writes: > > It does if the software does not allow any change though. I > > expect this will get far worse before it gets better, if it ever > > does. > > No, news and mail are two interly different concepts. If this > awareness is not there, the ignorant will only spread hawoc. > Ignorance can never be justified anywhere. > > -Frode > Well, I suggest you get some Valium then, cis basically, I heard on the radio t'other day that news is basically Email but to a database everyone looking at can read. This was a so called expert. Besides, in real terms, as far as the average user is concerned, he is correct. The underlying differences are minimal to the user, why do you think we get so many binaries posted to news? This however, is a discussion for elsewhere I fancy. Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Sep 19 08:01:12 1996 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 09:01:39 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9609190701.AA11493@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Back To Serious Things X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 776 Lines: 20 > Well, I suggest you get some Valium then, cis basically, I heard > on the radio t'other day that news is basically Email but to a > database everyone looking at can read. This was a so called > expert. Besides, in real terms, as far as the average user is > concerned, he is correct. The underlying differences are minimal > to the user, why do you think we get so many binaries posted to > news? Ignorance? Are you saying that the underlying differences between radio and telephone are also minimal to the user? The principles are the same. If the users inaccurate views rules, why not just redesign Internet to fit the users views - we'll get a total colaps and I for one will be happy. ;) > > This however, is a discussion for elsewhere I fancy. Indeed. :) -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Sep 19 13:57:51 1996 Path: esoftc.seuk.com!paul.walker From: paul walker Date: 17 Sep 96 11:20:52 +0000 Subject: SimCoupe : The latest Message-Id: <3a2_9609190812@seuk.com> Organization: SEUK, Guildford, UK In-Reply-To: 842769964.2921.0@orinocco.demon.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 988 Lines: 21 b> thing there are huge numbers). As for software??? Word Perfect 6 for b> SCO works great on Linux. In fact every SCO Open Server package I have b> tried so far works - even things as unknown as SeaChange That's fine, but what about when you want to use something that isn't an "open server" (whatever that is)? b> And I can't believe there a people out there with less than 4 Megs (20 b> UKP for 4 Meg SIMM, 68 UKP 16 Meg SIMM and that's with VAT) There's me, for one. 20 quid may be fine (even though you're being overcharged if you're paying that), but that's for the 72-pin SIMMS. Me with my humble 386SX, I have to have 30-pin chips, and those /aren't/ as cheap. >> Don't be elitest, (unless its a Sam) b> Don't use and Operating System if it's not UNIX. Anything else is poor Don't think so. From what I've /read/ of it (note I haven't used it yet), it's about the most unfriendly thing there is! Paul --- GoldED -- Standard disclaimer: My views are strictly my own. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Sep 19 16:00:46 1996 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 14:56:31 GMT Message-Id: <199609191456.OAA02468@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Popularity does not equal Ignorance From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (The Boss) Cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Pipeuser: samsboss X-Pipehub: uk.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (The Boss) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2822 Lines: 66 On Sep 18, 1996 16:21:11, 'ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe)' wrote: >> Frode grumbled: >> > No, news and mail are two interly different concepts. If this >> > awareness is not there, the ignorant will only spread hawoc. >> > Ignorance can never be justified anywhere. >> >> The days of the Internet being used by only IT experts are over. > >Now, that's sad. ;) > >> Now the Internet has been popularised, 80% of the users are going to >> see Usenet news as very similar to Internet e-mail. Ignorance is >> rife. > >There have always been rules in societies, everything from getting >into somebody's pants to blood-revenge. You were not allowed to hit >the road with you fathers brand new 350Hp Corvette without having >steerd anything with more than two weels before...at the age of 14? >Why shouldn't we expect that newcommers to Internet took the time >and effort it takes to learn basic netiquette? > You can only expect users to learn if there is somewhere of someone to learn from. This is just not true on the net. I once had the horror of helping someone set up a Demon account. We gave up after 3 days and he went to Compuserve. It may be slow, it may be expensive, but at least it has some documentation. Pipeline came off a cover disc. At the same time I had Worldscope. Pipeline won because they did more of the work, one master menu and everything under it - not dozens of little progs all needing to be set up one at a time. Only prob with Pipeline is access to the web can be slow at times. So.. WHERE do people go to learn "netiquette"? Who defines what good and bad "netiquette" is? >> >> Perhaps we could agree some local netiquette rules for the sam-users >> list? Frode could include the rules in the message sent to new users of >> the list. Guidelines like: >> >> 1) sam-users mailings are intended to be viewed in an 80 character wide >> window using a fixed pitched font and standard ASCII only. Cant do that - not every email/news viewer will allow you to change fonts, and even fewer will allow you to set a spacific line width. And if you think I'm going to download email and then load it into an old-style fixed pitch wordprocessor - you got another thing coming my friend. >> >> 2) Binary files and very large messages should be made available on FTP >> or web sites and simply announced on the list. Now there is an example - I know what a FTP is - but I bet you a lot of people on the net do not. On Pipeline there is a news-group / help section where people can post questions. I would think if there is a similar place of your access provider you will be surprised at some of the questions that get asked. > >That is a good idea. I'll keep it in mind and stick it in some day. :) > >-Frode -- SamsBoss@uk.pipeline.com From imc Thu Sep 19 16:07:49 1996 Subject: Re: Popularity does not equal Ignorance To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 16:07:49 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <199609191456.OAA02468@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> from "The Boss" at Sep 19, 96 02:56:31 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 873 Lines: 20 On Thu, 19 Sep 1996 14:56:31 GMT, The Boss said: > You can only expect users to learn if there is somewhere of someone to > learn from. This is just not true on the net. It is true that service providers are seriously lacking in the amount of "net initiation" that they give to new users. It was ever thus. Not even universities give their users much of a clue. (There have even been several cases of members of the administration staff at this university posting small scale spam to local newsgroups). This is not a good reason to ignore the problem. Netscape and trn both help you by initially subscribing you to the newsgroup news.announce.newusers, but I don't imagine many people taking the time to read it. If everyone got some basic netiquette before diving in then we might not be seeing the tens of "Make money fast" postings per day that we are now. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Sep 20 22:07:25 1996 Posted-Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 23:06:04 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <3243073E.4B7F@pi.net> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 23:06:06 +0200 From: Stefan Drissen X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Simcoupe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 910 Lines: 22 Hi Allan, I've downloaded Simcoupe TWICE now (via Internet Explorer and Netscape) and both times I when I try to unzip the file I get a NOT VALID zip file error. I'm using Win95 - but then zip files are supposed to be multi-platform, so that can't be the problem. What's wrong? Also please fix the link.... -- Stefan Drissen _____ ___ _ ___ ______ ___ ____ / _// \| | /\ | \ | _/ | /\ | \ _/ aka \_ \| || |__ / \| / | _|| |__ / \| / _| of ENTROPY /____/\___/\____\____\_|_\ |_| \____\____\_|_\___\ / \ / Email: drissen@pi.net http://www.pi.net/~drissen \ / Zevende Herven 6,5232 JZ 's-HERTOGENBOSCH,The Netherlands \ / telephone: +31-73-6414969 \ --------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sat Sep 21 07:33:36 1996 From: Lord Blackadder To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mmdf-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at relay-3.mail.demon.net Subject: Oh dear... Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 21:30:19 +0100 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1080 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <843287394.17773.0@orinocco.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2231 Lines: 60 > From: paul walker > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Subject: SimCoupe : The latest > Date: Tuesday, September 17, 1996 12:20 PM > > > b> thing there are huge numbers). As for software??? Word Perfect 6 for > b> SCO works great on Linux. In fact every SCO Open Server package I have > b> tried so far works - even things as unknown as SeaChange > > That's fine, but what about when you want to use something that isn't an "open server" (whatever that is)? How can you question what has be said if you don't even know the facts. "SCO Open Server" is a version of UNIX, in the same way that Linux, DEC Ultrix, Solaris, AIX, DRS/NX, etc are all versions of UNIX. The comment made by myself stated that all software that I had tried which was designed for "SCO Open Server", worked! As I am sure versions designed for DRS/NX (ICL) UNIX also run. SCO - BTW is the company that produces it (www.sco.com). > > b> And I can't believe there a people out there with less than 4 Megs (20 > b> UKP for 4 Meg SIMM, 68 UKP 16 Meg SIMM and that's with VAT) > > There's me, for one. 20 quid may be fine (even though you're being overcharged if you're paying that), but that's for the 72-pin SIMMS. Me with my humble 386SX, I have to have 30-pin chips, and those /aren't/ as cheap. About time to throw you PC in the bin - isn't it! > > >> Don't be elitest, (unless its a Sam) > b> Don't use and Operating System if it's not UNIX. Anything else is poor > > Don't think so. From what I've /read/ of it (note I haven't used it yet), it's about the most unfriendly thing there is! What have you been reading? Windoze Today magazine! As for unfriendly - how can you say if you have never used it? If you can use DOS, then you can use the UNIX Kernel. We have loads of shop assistants (I work for a company that designs multi-user EPOS systems), who can all cope with the UNIX command line. If you can't cope then it's time to take an I.Q. test *scathing comment!* Also you will find nowadays that users of UNIX all use X-Windows, so all you need is a mouse (oh, and something to move it with!) > > Paul > --- GoldED > -- > Standard disclaimer: My views are strictly my own. And obviously unresearched. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Sep 23 15:31:53 1996 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960923145400.002bd028@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 15:54:00 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Lord Blackadder Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 119 Lines: 10 Sorry to send this to everyone, but here goes... Lord Blackadder... please email me at: sc@e.sss.co.uk Cheers! Si From imc Mon Sep 23 15:39:14 1996 Subject: Re: Oh dear... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 15:39:14 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <843287394.17773.0@orinocco.demon.co.uk> from "Lord Blackadder" at Sep 19, 96 09:30:19 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 286 Lines: 8 On Thu, 19 Sep 1996 21:30:19 +0100, Lord Blackadder said: > Also you will find nowadays that users of UNIX all use X-Windows, so all > you need is a mouse (oh, and something to move it with!) Er, no... Actually you will find that most users of Unix use the X Window System. :-) imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Sep 23 20:31:00 1996 Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 19:26:39 GMT Message-Id: <199609231926.TAA21664@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Oh dear... From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (The Boss) Cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Pipeuser: samsboss X-Pipehub: uk.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (The Boss) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 538 Lines: 21 On Sep 23, 1996 15:39:14, 'Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk' wrote: >On Thu, 19 Sep 1996 21:30:19 +0100, Lord Blackadder said: >> Also you will find nowadays that users of UNIX all use X-Windows, so all >> you need is a mouse (oh, and something to move it with!) > >Er, no... >Actually you will find that most users of Unix use the X Window System. :-) > >imc -- Who cares? Most people use DOS based machines not some version of UNIX. To reach the majority you have to make it work with DOS. Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Sep 23 22:47:35 1996 Path: esoftc.seuk.com!paul.walker From: paul walker Date: 22 Sep 96 16:09:21 +0000 Subject: Back To Serious Things Message-Id: <49f_9609232159@seuk.com> Organization: SEUK, Guildford, UK In-Reply-To: 9609171041.AA02736@boothp2.ecs.ox.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 841 Lines: 21 IC> What do you mean, "confronted with it"? How many different ways /can/ you mean that? IC> You can certainly say "PRINT CHR$ 144" on a Sam, as you well know IC> because that's the only way to get a user-defined graphic (as opposed Ah, that would explain it. I've never used the UDGs. (Never needed to.) IC> Also, if you use "less" to display a file it uses the ISO8859-1 IC> character set by default for characters 160-255. What's "less"? ISO8859... aka Latin-1? That's fine, that's what GoldED is set up to translate to/from. At any rate - I'm going to unsubscribe from here with this message. I might be able to read the messages on Dalmation (if Dave's still forwarding them), at least until I arrive at uni and manage to work out their email programs! Paul --- GoldED -- Standard disclaimer: My views are strictly my own. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Sep 24 00:30:30 1996 Subject: Re: SPAM In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19960923145400.002bd028@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> (from sam-users@nvg.unit.no) (on Mon, 23 Sep 96 15:54:00) X-Mailer: ADMail version 1.04 (c) 1995 S.T.Brown From: simon@studio.woden.com Date: Mon, 23 Sep 96 23:52:54 Message-Id: <19960923.7AF0BA0.15A4B@studio.woden.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 306 Lines: 11 Greetings, Simon. > Sorry to send this to everyone, but here goes... > You suffer the indignity of me saying 'hello' gratuitously. Have you tried XCoupe? I'm writing lots about emulators for Amiga comics these daze... -- Cheers, Simon N Goodwin, simon@studio.woden.com AKA simon@silicon.studio.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Sep 24 00:52:27 1996 Path: esoftc.seuk.com!paul.walker From: paul walker Date: 22 Sep 96 22:58:11 +0000 Subject: Oh dear... Message-Id: <4a2_9609232159@seuk.com> Organization: SEUK, Guildford, UK In-Reply-To: 843287394.17773.0@orinocco.demon.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1833 Lines: 41 b> Mmdf-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at b> relay-3.mail.demon.net Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 21:30:19 Sounds... interesting. b> How can you question what has be said if you don't even know the b> facts. "SCO Open Server" is a version of UNIX, in the same way that b> Linux, DEC Ultrix, Solaris, AIX, DRS/NX, etc are all versions of UNIX. Fair enough. b> About time to throw you PC in the bin - isn't it! No - why should I? It runs what I need it to - GoldEd, FMail, FrontDoor, Turbo Pascal, QEdit, WordPerfect, etc. It would be /nice/ to have something more up to date, but until someone makes me a gift of a grand or so, I'll have to stick with what I've got.. Which is why I get irritated when people use processing power to cover up bad coding. >> Don't think so. From what I've /read/ of it (note I haven't used it b> yet), it's about the most unfriendly thing there is! b> What have you been reading? Windoze Today magazine! "Beginning Unix", author Mike Joy, part of the pre-course reading for Computer Science. b> As for unfriendly - how can you say if you have never used it? If you Easily - I just look at the examples, and think "Eek!" It's probably fine once you've had hands on experience, but it /looks/ worrying... b> cope then it's time to take an I.Q. test *scathing comment!* IQ tests are a great measure of the ability to take an IQ test, little else. Your scathing comment wasn't so scathing, BTW - I've had worse! :) >> Standard disclaimer: My views are strictly my own. b> And obviously unresearched. See above. (That disclaimer is added by the Fido gateway I use, not me.) Any replies to this will have to be addressed directly to me, rather than the mailing list, or I won't get them. Paul --- GoldED -- Standard disclaimer: My views are strictly my own. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Sep 24 01:27:00 1996 From: Gavin Smith Organization: University of Ulster To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 01:20:43 GMT Subject: Sam C X-Confirm-Reading-To: "Gavin Smith" X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-Id: <2B00A3673D5@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 347 Lines: 7 Its umm like 12.30am here and I'M DRUNK OUT OF MY HEAD. But I'm still thinking about my Sam. And I have a problem with Sam C. Scanf doesn't work. I've sent my copy back to Fred Publishing, and the new copy still doesn't work. Help. Can anyone else get it to work? I'm too drunk too check if this makes sense. I'll apologise when I'm sober/ :) From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Sep 24 08:00:32 1996 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 07:33:02 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <18013@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Oh dear... X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 387 Lines: 15 Who takes classes about computing? Not the majority of computer users. Lets cut the crap about this. Like it of not, Its DOS and Wondows you need to support for a mass audience. I have NEVER used Unix except at a distance with a Sp[eccy on Micronet and a headache was more pleasurable. Also what the bloody hell are all these mrssages all of a sudden! Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Sep 24 08:00:33 1996 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 07:37:24 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <18014@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: PISS OFF PRATTS! X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 246 Lines: 12 Yes the joker(s) involved in thise forwarding session should puss off immediately. They will receive mt phone bill very shortly! If this silliness continues I feel sure the genuine people here will unsubscribe. Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Sep 24 08:24:02 1996 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 09:23:56 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9609240723.AA14885@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Oh dear... X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 464 Lines: 11 > > Who cares? Most people use DOS based machines not some version of UNIX. > To reach the majority you have to make it work with DOS. I believe that is a myth. It is true that most of the PCs out there have MS-DOS (and most likely windows) installed. However, 40% of those machines are actually very seldomly used. Those PCs that are used are rougly equally spread on OS/2, NT and various flavours of Unix. And then we have the non-PC machines.... -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Sep 24 08:27:34 1996 Subject: Re: PISS OFF PRATTS! To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 08:26:00 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <18014@bgserv.demon.co.uk> from "Brian Gaff Sam Dept." at Sep 24, 96 07:37:24 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <96Sep24.092617+0200_met_dst.145480-89+35@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 281 Lines: 12 > > Yes the joker(s) involved in thise forwarding session should > puss off immediately. They will receive mt phone bill very > shortly! > > If this silliness continues I feel sure the genuine people here > will unsubscribe. > > Brian Eh? I missed this particular one... Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Sep 24 08:36:10 1996 Subject: Re: PISS OFF PRATTS! To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 08:34:20 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <18014@bgserv.demon.co.uk> from "Brian Gaff Sam Dept." at Sep 24, 96 07:37:24 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <96Sep24.093436+0200_met_dst.145480-88+31@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 453 Lines: 13 > > Yes the joker(s) involved in thise forwarding session should > puss off immediately. They will receive mt phone bill very > shortly! Sorry about the previous message -- I've just seen them (Elm shows by Date & Time, so they were at the bottom of my mail folder). You can't tell that it's start of term for millions of eager freshers can you? Frode -- temporary ban on ulst.ac.uk postings? MIght be a solution until they settle down...? Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Sep 24 08:53:42 1996 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 08:44:03 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <18024@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Oh dear... X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 957 Lines: 29 In message <9609240723.AA14885@asmal.edh-net> ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) writes: > > > > Who cares? Most people use DOS based machines not some version of UNIX. > > To reach the majority you have to make it work with DOS. > > I believe that is a myth. It is true that most of the PCs out there > have MS-DOS (and most likely windows) installed. However, 40% of > those machines are actually very seldomly used. Those PCs that are > used are rougly equally spread on OS/2, NT and various flavours of > Unix. And then we have the non-PC machines.... > > -Frode > Talking out of your hat me old mate! L-) I would agree that if you are talking about machines in Universities and such, byr not home machines. The sad part is that there is little knowledge of DOS in most peaoples lives. Believe me, I have to try to sort out DOS troubles with Z80. God help me if everyone had to use a UNIX! Brian *AKA Nr Angry? * -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Sep 24 08:54:40 1996 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 08:47:38 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <18025@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: PISS OFF PRATTS! X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 140 Lines: 7 20 odd messages from the list with odd names each forwarding a forwarded message? How could you miss that? Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Sep 24 08:54:48 1996 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 08:49:56 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <18026@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: No Subject specified X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 56 Lines: 6 But WHY do they do it? Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Sep 24 09:04:19 1996 Subject: Re: No Subject specified To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 09:01:02 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <18026@bgserv.demon.co.uk> from "Brian Gaff Sam Dept." at Sep 24, 96 08:49:56 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <96Sep24.100155+0200_met_dst.145480-89+53@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 164 Lines: 5 They probably don't realise that they're sending it to the sam-users mailing list. It's probably on a distribution group at ulster for some stupid reason. Simon From imc Tue Sep 24 11:29:29 1996 Subject: Re: PISS OFF PRATTS! To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 11:29:29 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <96Sep24.093436+0200_met_dst.145480-88+31@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> from "Simon Cooke" at Sep 24, 96 08:34:20 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 834 Lines: 18 On Tue, 24 Sep 1996 08:34:20 +0100 (BST), Simon Cooke said: > Sorry about the previous message -- I've just seen them (Elm shows by > Date & Time, so they were at the bottom of my mail folder). Why do you sort it in reverse order then? Do you read your mail backwards? :-) I have elm set to sort by date sent. Those messages appeared to have been sent in March (!) so they appeared towards the top, in the middle of all sorts of mail that I have been keeping for one reason or another. Elm usually positions itself on the first unread message when it starts up, so there they all were. What the @#$% is this, I thought. Then I noticed that they were all from this list. Idiots... imc PS Sorting by date sent sometimes reveals surprises. The other week I got some mail from a person whose computer thought it was 1992... From imc Tue Sep 24 11:31:04 1996 Subject: Re: Sam C To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 11:31:04 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <2B00A3673D5@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> from "Gavin Smith" at Sep 24, 96 01:20:43 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 285 Lines: 9 On Tue, 24 Sep 1996 01:20:43 GMT, Gavin Smith said: > Scanf doesn't work. "It doesn't work" is hardly ever a useful problem report... Perhaps it's working as designed but the design isn't what you expected. imc PS I've never used Sam C so I can't comment on that particular issue. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Sep 24 12:13:39 1996 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 13:13:31 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9609241113.AA15123@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: PISS OFF PRATTS! X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 181 Lines: 7 > Frode -- temporary ban on ulst.ac.uk postings? MIght be a solution until > they settle down...? Appropriate actions has been initated towrads his/her/their postmaster. -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Sep 24 14:10:41 1996 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 15:10:10 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9609241310.AA15182@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: No Subject specified X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 48 Lines: 5 > But WHY do they do it? Ignorance... -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Sep 24 14:16:57 1996 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 15:16:51 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9609241316.AA15192@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Oh dear... X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 519 Lines: 20 > Talking out of your hat me old mate! > L-) Haven't got a hat. A crystal ball on the other hand... :) > I would agree that if you are talking about machines in > Universities and such, byr not home machines. The sad part is > that there is little knowledge of DOS in most peaoples lives. I was referring to computers in a whole... > Believe me, I have to try to sort out DOS troubles with Z80. I believe you. :) > God help me if everyone had to use a UNIX! Then it would't have been your problem. ;) -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Sep 24 15:09:42 1996 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 15:06:28 +0100 From: Keith Turner Message-Id: <9609241406.AA21177@turner.cursci.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Oh dear... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1471 Lines: 47 Apologies, this is small but OFF-TOPIC. I'm trying to put some real information into the Unix vs DOS debate. More people have Windows than DOS (Win95 and NT people). More people have DOS than Unix. However, just because more people use it, doesn't mean you should code for it. Most people have Windows 3.*, but coding for Windows 3.* is a nightmare and 32-bit windows is future-proof. > >> Don't think so. From what I've /read/ of it (note I haven't used it > b> yet), it's about the most unfriendly thing there is! > b> What have you been reading? Windoze Today magazine! > > "Beginning Unix", author Mike Joy, part of the pre-course reading for > Computer Science. The Unix command line is very similar to the DOS command line in many respects. I think the reason Mike calls it unfriendly is that, by default, many Unix commands overwrite or delete files without prompting. The user is expected to know what he is doing. Also, Unix commands do not understand wildcards the way DOS commands do. UNIX DOS ==== === cat file TYPE FILE.TXT mv oldname newname RENAME OLDNAME.DOC NEWNAME.DOC cp original duplicate COPY ORIGINAL.DOC DUPLICAT.DOC *but* UNIX: cat * works because the command interpreter expands * before running cat but DOS: TYPE *.TXT doesn't. DOS: RENAME *.C *.TXT does what you'd expect but UNIX: mv *.c *.txt fails because the command interpreter expands *.c and *.txt before running mv, and there are no *.txt files yet. / From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale) Subject: Re: Oh dear... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 17:07:51 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <9609241406.AA21177@turner.cursci.co.uk> from "Keith Turner" at Sep 24, 96 03:06:28 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 131 Lines: 7 > is a nightmare and 32-bit windows is future-proof. > "Future-proof"? Hmmm - I'm just a *little* skeptical on that point! -Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Sep 24 17:34:39 1996 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 17:31:32 +0100 From: Keith Turner Message-Id: <9609241631.AA21339@turner.cursci.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Oh dear... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 565 Lines: 16 > > is a nightmare and 32-bit windows is future-proof. > > > > "Future-proof"? Hmmm - I'm just a *little* skeptical > on that point! I'm usually very skeptical, but I believe that over the next five years more single-user computers (i.e. the ones which people will run SimCoupe on) will run the Windows 32 bit API then any other API (i.e. Win3 + Win32, Win95 or WinNT). It's a shame, because I think MSWin is $h!T. But it will happen. If you don't believe me, ask an unbiased industry analyst. Or we could just sit and wait and see who was right! :) / Organization: University of Ulster To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 19:13:17 GMT Subject: Apologies... X-Confirm-Reading-To: "Gavin Smith" X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-Id: <2C1EAE8164D@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 207 Lines: 5 Sorry about all the junk mail the list was sent - it came from ulst.ac.uk (my university). The guy who sent them didn't realise that the address was a mailing list...It won't happen again, I promise. :) From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Sep 25 07:39:50 1996 Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 08:39:57 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9609250639.AA15519@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Oh dear... X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 575 Lines: 15 > > > is a nightmare and 32-bit windows is future-proof. > > > > > > > "Future-proof"? Hmmm - I'm just a *little* skeptical > > on that point! > > I'm usually very skeptical, but I believe that over the next five years more > single-user computers (i.e. the ones which people will run SimCoupe on) will > run the Windows 32 bit API then any other API (i.e. Win3 + Win32, Win95 or > WinNT). It's a shame, because I think MSWin is $h!T. But it will happen. You must be kidding. All of the above are virtually mutually incompatible! You are right, they are shit. -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Sep 25 07:40:39 1996 Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 08:40:52 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9609250640.AA15522@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Apologies... X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 282 Lines: 9 > Sorry about all the junk mail the list was sent - it came from > ulst.ac.uk (my university). The guy who sent them didn't realise that > the address was a mailing list...It won't happen again, I promise. :) Didn't realise? Hmm...did you bash his face real good? ;) -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Sep 25 11:06:06 1996 Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 10:36:45 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <18057@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Apologies... X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 550 Lines: 18 In message <9609250640.AA15522@asmal.edh-net> ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) writes: > > > > Sorry about all the junk mail the list was sent - it came from > > ulst.ac.uk (my university). The guy who sent them didn't realise that > > the address was a mailing list...It won't happen again, I promise. :) > > Didn't realise? Hmm...did you bash his face real good? ;) > > -Frode > Well as he obviously thought it was March, he could not possibly be expected to be literate enough to read Email addresses! Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Sep 26 13:16:51 1996 Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 13:15:13 +0100 (BST) From: Tim Paveley To: Sam Users Mailing List Subject: The show.... Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 406 Lines: 14 It's that time of year again... Can anyone confirm the date of the show? Who's going to be there? Shall we were silly stickers with our names on? etc.. etc.. ....@/ .........................................................................@/ Unc - Tim Paveley - http://dplinux.sund.ac.uk/~unc/ Staff of the Monochrome BBS - http://www.mono.org/ Owner of a Sam Coupe - http://www.mono.org/~unc/Coupe/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Sep 26 14:16:52 1996 Message-Id: <199609261315.PAA26897@dxmint.cern.ch> From: Allan Skillman Subject: Re: The show.... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 26 Sep 96 15:15:57 METDST In-Reply-To: ; from "Tim Paveley" at Sep 26, 96 1:15 pm Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 863 Lines: 24 > > It's that time of year again... Christmas already??? > > Can anyone confirm the date of the show? 26th October > Who's going to be there? Me, and hopefully SimCoupe as well Allan +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Now available! XCoupe, the one and only SAM Coupe emulator | | *** http://www.hep.ucl.ac.uk/~ajs/xcoupe *** | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ | Allan Skillman | "There are five flavours of resons, the | | HEPP Group | elementary particles of magic : up, down, | | University College London | sideways, sex-appeal and peppermint." | | Email : ajs@hep.ucl.ac.uk | - Terry Pratchett (Lords and Ladies) | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Sep 26 15:05:05 1996 Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 14:03:30 GMT Message-Id: <199609261403.OAA16180@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Oh dear... From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (The Boss) Cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Pipeuser: samsboss X-Pipehub: uk.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (The Boss) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 852 Lines: 27 On Sep 24, 1996 09:23:56, 'ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe)' wrote: >> >> Who cares? Most people use DOS based machines not some version of UNIX. >> To reach the majority you have to make it work with DOS. > >I believe that is a myth. It is true that most of the PCs out there >have MS-DOS (and most likely windows) installed. However, 40% of >those machines are actually very seldomly used. Those PCs that are >used are rougly equally spread on OS/2, NT and various flavours of >Unix. And then we have the non-PC machines.... > >-Frode -- What rubbish. MS-DOS with Win3.1 or 3.11 is USED by the vast majority of people - and by that I mean business people. Unix may have a following because of its connection with mini/mainframe comps. NT is very small fry and OS/2 is only just starting to make headway. Samsboss From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Sep 26 15:08:40 1996 Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 14:07:26 GMT Message-Id: <199609261407.OAA16283@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Oh dear... From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (The Boss) Cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Pipeuser: samsboss X-Pipehub: uk.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (The Boss) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 806 Lines: 29 On Sep 24, 1996 17:31:32, 'Keith Turner ' wrote: >> > is a nightmare and 32-bit windows is future-proof. >> > >> >> "Future-proof"? Hmmm - I'm just a *little* skeptical >> on that point! > >I'm usually very skeptical, but I believe that over the next five years more >single-user computers (i.e. the ones which people will run SimCoupe on) will >run the Windows 32 bit API then any other API (i.e. Win3 + Win32, Win95 or >WinNT). It's a shame, because I think MSWin is $h!T. But it will happen. > >If you don't believe me, ask an unbiased industry analyst. > The is no such thing as an unbiased industry analyst - its like looking for a Mac user who knows how computers work. >Or we could just sit and wait and see who was right! :) > >/ To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Apologies... From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (The Boss) Cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Pipeuser: samsboss X-Pipehub: uk.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (The Boss) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1048 Lines: 36 On Sep 25, 1996 10:36:45, 'Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.)' wrote: >In message <9609250640.AA15522@asmal.edh-net> ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode >Tenneboe) writes: >> >> >> > Sorry about all the junk mail the list was sent - it came from >> > ulst.ac.uk (my university). The guy who sent them didn't realise that >> > the address was a mailing list...It won't happen again, I promise. :) >> >> Didn't realise? Hmm...did you bash his face real good? ;) >> >> -Frode >> >Well as he obviously thought it was March, he could not possibly >be expected to be literate enough to read Email addresses! > >Brian > >-- >Brian Gaff Sam Dept. Yo fans. Brian does raise a point in a round about way. Dates and Times that is. If you sort your mail on date/time then WHO'S date and time is it? We should all adopt Universal time for the net, astonomers already do, and that way everyones incoming mail would be sorted into the same order. Universal time is GMT by the way. -- The Boss The One And Only From imc Thu Sep 26 15:19:27 1996 Subject: Re: Apologies... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 15:19:27 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <199609261412.OAA16391@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> from "The Boss" at Sep 26, 96 02:12:08 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 555 Lines: 11 On Thu, 26 Sep 1996 14:12:08 GMT, The Boss said: > Brian does raise a point in a round about way. Dates and Times that is. If > you sort your mail on date/time then WHO'S date and time is it? > We should all adopt Universal time for the net, astonomers already do, and > that way everyones incoming mail would be sorted into the same order. It can't be done. Some computers don't even know when GMT is. If they did then the time would come out correct (in local time, but with the right zone letters after it so that elm can sort it properly). imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Sep 27 08:22:07 1996 Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 09:22:45 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9609270722.AA17038@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Oh dear... X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1304 Lines: 34 > >> Who cares? Most people use DOS based machines not some version of UNIX. > > >> To reach the majority you have to make it work with DOS. > > > >I believe that is a myth. It is true that most of the PCs out there > >have MS-DOS (and most likely windows) installed. However, 40% of > >those machines are actually very seldomly used. Those PCs that are > >used are rougly equally spread on OS/2, NT and various flavours of > >Unix. And then we have the non-PC machines.... It should have said "...equally spread on OS/2, NT, various flavours of Unix and Win95 + Windows/DOS....". That is OS/2 + NT + Unix == Win95 + Windows/DOS. > What rubbish. Ditto. :) > > MS-DOS with Win3.1 or 3.11 is USED by the vast majority of people - and by > that I mean business people. > > Unix may have a following because of its connection with mini/mainframe > comps. > NT is very small fry and OS/2 is only just starting to make headway. Where do you get your facts from? My facts are taken from a survey done by a leading norwegian magazine. OK, it an be argued that it only applies to Norway, but my guess is that the trend is there. The most interesting fact was that the machines equiped with DOS/Win3.11 and Win95 are the machines least frequently used. But enough is enough. :) -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Sep 27 10:09:43 1996 Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 10:05:31 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <18092@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Apologies... X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 182 Lines: 9 All this talk of time is fine, but it still does not explain why those messages were sent in March! By the way, is the SAMBUS clock 2000 proof? :-) Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Sep 27 11:17:11 1996 Subject: Re: Apologies... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 11:15:47 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <18092@bgserv.demon.co.uk> from "Brian Gaff Sam Dept." at Sep 27, 96 10:05:31 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <96Sep27.121621+0200_met_dst.145478-88+836@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 777 Lines: 22 > > All this talk of time is fine, but it still does not explain why > those messages were sent in March! > > By the way, is the SAMBUS clock 2000 proof? :-) Sort of... the year 2000 being divisble by 400 means there's no problems with leap-years at least... THe problem comes in with MasterDOS... it won't accept date fields of "00" -- and so it falls over when it comes to the year two thousand... in fact in the source code, it says "year 2000? Tough!" :) Other than that I can't see any significant probles. In the DOS whiuch I was writing, it took any year < 1989 as having 2000 added to it... of course, date stamps would store proper dates, but for the purpose of reading the clock hardware to read the current date, I saw this as the best solution. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Sep 27 14:42:09 1996 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 14:40:45 +0100 From: DJ Doore To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Selling opertunity ahoy... Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 725 Lines: 13 After a brief absence (due to no mail and then a knackered gateway) I'm back on the list. As you may/may not know, I fried my Sam's soundchip a while ago and consequently have been hunting for a replacement. I have not been successful in tracking down the little SAA1099 bugger so I have decided to throw caution into the wind and see if I can buy a second-hand Sam and thieve the motherboard from it. Soooo, does anybody have a half knackered Sam from which they can flog me the motherboard or know of somewhere where they *absolutely-positively-know* I can get a soundchip from. Dan. P.S. When I left Leeds, the Unsubscribe to this list seems not to have worked, could someone (Frode? Arnt?) remove it from the list? From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Sep 27 14:56:36 1996 Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 15:57:02 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9609271357.AA17412@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Selling opertunity ahoy... X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 829 Lines: 24 > > After a brief absence (due to no mail and then a knackered gateway) I'm back on the list. > > As you may/may not know, I fried my Sam's soundchip a while ago and consequently have been hunting for a replacement. I have not > been successful in tracking down the little SAA1099 bugger so I have decided to throw caution into the wind and see if I can buy a > second-hand Sam and thieve the motherboard from it. > > Soooo, does anybody have a half knackered Sam from which they can flog me the motherboard or know of somewhere where they > *absolutely-positively-know* I can get a soundchip from. Sorry, can't help you with this. > > Dan. > > P.S. When I left Leeds, the Unsubscribe to this list seems not to have worked, could someone (Frode? Arnt?) remove it from the list? > D.Doore@lmu.ac.uk This one? -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Sep 27 15:03:08 1996 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 15:00:12 +0100 From: DJ Doore To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Selling opertunity ahoy... - Reply Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 458 Lines: 22 > > > Soooo, does anybody have a half knackered Sam from which they can flog me the > motherboard or know of somewhere where they > > *absolutely-positively-know* I can get a soundchip from. > > Sorry, can't help you with this. Rats. > > > Dan. > > > P.S. When I left Leeds, the Unsubscribe to this list seems not to have worked, could > someone (Frode? Arnt?) remove it from the list? > > > > D.Doore@lmu.ac.uk > > This one? That's the baby. Dan. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Sep 27 15:48:43 1996 Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 10:47:25 -0400 From: FormatPub@aol.com Message-Id: <960927104724_112331921@emout02.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Selling opertunity ahoy... Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 254 Lines: 8 Philips SAA1099P sound chip for SAM available from Format Publications at the same price that Maplins used to charge when they stocked it. That is #10.95 each including UK postage and packing. The last stocked it in 1994/5. Any other bits wanted? Bob From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Sep 27 15:53:03 1996 Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 10:52:02 -0400 From: FormatPub@aol.com Message-Id: <960927105202_294775430@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Selling opertunity ahoy... Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 249 Lines: 9 P.S. Forgot to say, the price on the sound chip also covers a chip socket as most chips were soldered direct to the board when they were made. Fitting is dead easy for anyone who can swin a soldering iron. P.P.S. to Cooke, did the ASIC work OK? From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Sep 27 15:58:55 1996 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 15:57:27 +0100 From: DJ Doore To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Selling opertunity ahoy... - Reply Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 350 Lines: 15 > Philips SAA1099P sound chip for SAM available from Format Publications at the same price > that Maplins used to charge when they stocked it. That is #10.95each including UK postage > and packing. The last stocked it in 1994/5. If you give me the address, the cheque is in the post. > Any other bits wanted? Nope, just the sound chip. Dan. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Sep 27 18:47:10 1996 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Returned mail: Service unavailable In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 27 Sep 1996 19:43:36 +0200" References: <9609271743.AA00618@namu26> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.06 on Emacs 19.14 XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 19:46:13 +0200 From: Arnt Gulbrandsen Message-Id: Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 341 Lines: 9 DJ Doore > P.S. When I left Leeds, the Unsubscribe to this list seems not to > have worked, could someone (Frode? Arnt?) remove it from the list? I landed in my mailbox for manual inspection, and since parliament.uk wasn't acknoweldging your existence, I decided to wait for a few days. Will delete you now. --Arnt From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Sep 27 21:05:48 1996 Subject: Re: Selling opertunity ahoy... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 21:04:33 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <960927105202_294775430@emout16.mail.aol.com> from "FormatPub@aol.com" at Sep 27, 96 10:52:02 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <96Sep27.220507+0200_met_dst.145490-89+893@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 380 Lines: 14 > > P.S. > > Forgot to say, the price on the sound chip also covers a chip socket as most > chips were soldered direct to the board when they were made. > > Fitting is dead easy for anyone who can swin a soldering iron. > > P.P.S. to Cooke, did the ASIC work OK? Yep, fixed it a treat... looks like I was right - I *had* blown the composite sync circuitry... ouch... Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sat Sep 28 14:46:51 1996 Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 09:45:33 -0400 From: FormatPub@aol.com Message-Id: <960928094532_295527593@emout11.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Selling opertunity ahoy... - Reply Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 492 Lines: 21 What!!!! You don't know the address of Format? Shame on you. But OK, here it is:- Format Publications, 34, Bourton Road, Gloucester, GL4 0LE. Tel: 01452-412572 Publishers of FORMAT - the best Spectrum and SAM paper based mag going, and now publishers of FORMAT PC (first issue just gone out). One sound chip and socket ready to go as soon as we hear from you, I'll enclose a copy of the Maplin page if you ask for it - nice block diagram of the 1099. Look forward to your order. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Sep 30 05:13:36 1996 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Dean Liversidge Organization: The Mad House To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 23:55:27 +0000 Subject: Re: Selling opertunity ahoy... - Reply Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.32a) Message-Id: <844037798.28631.0@error.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 441 Lines: 13 > > Any other bits wanted? Hey Bob, How about a full spares parts price list for the SAM ? -- Dean Liversidge .__ . , Co-Sysop of Dalmation BBS | \ _.|._ _ _.-+-* _ ._ The First SAM Bulletin Board |__/(_]|[ | )(_] | |(_)[ ) Saturday 12:00pm till midnight. >>>>>>> +44 1744 614150 >>>>>> Sysop: Dave Whitmore From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Sep 30 05:13:37 1996 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Dean Liversidge Organization: The Mad House To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 23:50:28 +0000 Subject: Re: Selling opertunity ahoy... Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.32a) Message-Id: <844037624.27950.0@error.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 643 Lines: 14 > Philips SAA1099P sound chip for SAM available from Format Publications at the > same price that Maplins used to charge when they stocked it. That is #10.95 > each including UK postage and packing. The last stocked it in 1994/5. > > Any other bits wanted? Yes! How about the ASIC ??, How much? -- Dean Liversidge .__ . , Co-Sysop of Dalmation BBS | \ _.|._ _ _.-+-* _ ._ The First SAM Bulletin Board |__/(_]|[ | )(_] | |(_)[ ) Saturday 12:00pm till midnight. >>>>>>> +44 1744 614150 >>>>>> Sysop: Dave Whitmore From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Sep 30 11:51:45 1996 Date: 29 Sep 96 11:08:31 EDT From: Gordon Fulton <101507.1677@compuserve.com> To: "Sam-users@nvg.unit.no" Subject: Unsubscribe Message-Id: <960929150830_101507.1677_IHP75-1@CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 112 Lines: 3 I can't remember where to send unsubscribe messages! Can someone please unsubscribe 101507.1677@Compuserve.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Sep 30 12:31:28 1996 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 12:30:21 +0100 From: DJ Doore To: agulbra@troll.no Cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Returned mail: Service unavailable - Reply Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 368 Lines: 13 > DJ Doore > > P.S. When I left Leeds, the Unsubscribe to this list seems not to > > have worked, could someone (Frode? Arnt?) remove it from the list? > > I landed in my mailbox for manual inspection, and since parliament.uk wasn't > acknoweldgingyour existence, I decided to w ait for a few days. > Will delete you now. Cheers mate. Dan From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Sep 30 12:34:32 1996 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 13:24:55 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9609301224.AA01076@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: SAM Elite X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 69 Lines: 5 Hey. Anybody got any news about the Elite version for SAM? -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Sep 30 13:54:14 1996 Subject: Re: SAM Elite To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 13:40:07 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <9609301224.AA01076@asmal.edh-net> from "Frode Tenneboe" at Sep 30, 96 01:24:55 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <96Sep30.135159+0100_met.145528-9391+2@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 151 Lines: 12 > > Hey. > > Anybody got any news about the Elite version for SAM? Speccy port with load & save converted to run off disk... :( Sorry.... Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Sep 30 13:54:14 1996 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 08:48:09 -0400 From: FormatPub@aol.com Message-Id: <960930084808_114459012@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Selling opertunity ahoy... - Reply Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 424 Lines: 11 Not easy to give full list of SAM parts without a lot of work looking up prices. However, apart from the sound chip, the most common items people want is the Asic (#20), the 1377 video chip (#4), replacement keyboard (#12.95), 24Mhz Crystal (#1) and ROM chip (#10 on its own #12.95 with new DOS disc). These are the only item we have been asked for in the past. If anyone has other items they want then let me know. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Sep 30 13:54:15 1996 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 08:48:07 -0400 From: FormatPub@aol.com Message-Id: <960930084807_114459002@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SAM version of ELITE Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 344 Lines: 9 SAM version of Elite due out at Gloucester show 26th October. Program uses Spectrum code, so mode 1 screen, but save and loads commander files to SAM disc. Revelation have purchased original manuals and packaging (actually for the Amstrad CPC version because there was no Spectrum packaging left) from the people who took over Firebird. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Sep 30 14:08:57 1996 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 14:59:03 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9609301359.AA01284@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SAM version of ELITE X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 637 Lines: 17 > SAM version of Elite due out at Gloucester show 26th October. > > Program uses Spectrum code, so mode 1 screen, but save and loads commander > files to SAM disc. > Revelation have purchased original manuals and packaging (actually for the > Amstrad CPC version because there was no Spectrum packaging left) from the > people who took over Firebird. You must be kidding? Why not make a total rewamp whilst at it? Has this been checked with David Braben and Ian Bell? I got a rather firm 'NO' when I tried. -Frode PS: I'm rather desperate for a computer related conferense in the London- are around the weekend of 26th October..:/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Sep 30 14:22:09 1996 From: Gavin Smith Organization: University of Ulster To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 14:16:00 GMT Subject: Re: SAM version of ELITE X-Confirm-Reading-To: "Gavin Smith" X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-Id: <34CF9A65C2E@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 942 Lines: 26 > Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 14:59:03 +0100 > From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Subject: Re: SAM version of ELITE > Reply-to: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > > SAM version of Elite due out at Gloucester show 26th October. > > > > Program uses Spectrum code, so mode 1 screen, but save and loads commander > > files to SAM disc. > > Revelation have purchased original manuals and packaging (actually for the > > Amstrad CPC version because there was no Spectrum packaging left) from the > > people who took over Firebird. > > You must be kidding? Why not make a total rewamp whilst at it? > Has this been checked with David Braben and Ian Bell? I got a rather > firm 'NO' when I tried. > > -Frode Spectrum code? I thought it was being rewritten for Sam :((( According to Fred anyway. *sigh* Oh well, time to dig the emulator out and my old speccy elite tape :( Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Sep 30 14:56:10 1996 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 14:54:23 +0100 From: Dan Doore To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SAM version of ELITE - Reply Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 972 Lines: 24 > > SAM version of Elite due out at Gloucester show 26th October. > > > Program uses Spectrum code, so mode 1 screen, but save and loads commander > > files to SAM disc. > > Revelation have purchased original manuals and packaging (actually for the > > Amstrad CPC version because there was no Spectrum packaging left) from the > > people who took over Firebird. > > You must be kidding? Why not make a total rewamp whilst at it? > Has this been checked with David Braben and Ian Bell? I got a rather firm 'NO' when I tried. Not wanting to sound cynical but this sounds like an attempt to make people part with their cash, since it's of no real benefit to those who already have Elite and are running it under emulation. I'll hold onto my wad until a proper version (or at least a mode 4 jobba) thankyouverymuch. > PS: I'm rather desperate for a computer related conferense in the London- are around > the weekend of 26th October..:/ Frode! I'm shocked! :) Dan. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Sep 30 20:05:58 1996 Message-Id: <199609301904.UAA05397@mail.enterprise.net> X-Authentication-Warning: mail.enterprise.net: Host max01-035.enterprise.net [194.72.197.35] didn't use HELO protocol From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave Whitmore) Subject: Re: SAM version of ELITE - Reply Date: 30 Sep 1996 20:02:07 X-Newsreader: Spot 1.3/NetGate 1.1 Mime-Version: 1.1 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 625 Lines: 24 In a message of 30 Sep 96 Dan Doore wrote to sam-users@nvg.unit.no: Hi Dan, DD> Not wanting to sound cynical but this sounds like an attempt to make DD> people part with their cash, since it's of no real benefit to those who DD> already have Elite and are running it under emulation. Pretty sad isn't it. DD> I'll hold onto my wad until a proper version (or at least a mode 4 DD> jobba) thankyouverymuch. Yip. I've got my old original and a snap of the same which runs nicely and loads and saves from the Amiga hard drive using ZXAM. Didn't someone hack Elite ages ago to to the same on SAM? Bye, _ |_)ave From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Sep 30 21:13:22 1996 From: Gavin Smith Organization: University of Ulster To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 21:07:07 GMT Subject: Re: SAM version of ELITE - Reply X-Confirm-Reading-To: "Gavin Smith" X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-Id: <353D3BC173C@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 128 Lines: 6 > Didn't someone hack Elite ages ago to to the same on SAM? > And arent't they gonna charge stlg14.99 for it?? No thanks...