From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Oct 1 08:43:15 1996 Subject: Re: SAM version of ELITE To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 08:42:16 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <9609301359.AA01284@asmal.edh-net> from "Frode Tenneboe" at Sep 30, 96 02:59:03 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <96Oct1.084235+0100_met.145487-9391+43@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 370 Lines: 9 > PS: I'm rather desperate for a computer related conferense in the London- > are around the weekend of 26th October..:/ Frode - why not come to the Gloucester show? It's on the 26th... *IF* Allan Skillman and myself are hiring a car, I'm sure we could come and pick you up (then again, I don't know *quite* where Allan *is*... is Kettering far from London?) Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Oct 1 08:44:59 1996 Subject: Re: SAM version of ELITE - Reply To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 08:43:57 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <199609301904.UAA05397@mail.enterprise.net> from "Dave Whitmore" at Sep 30, 96 08:02:07 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <96Oct1.084408+0100_met.145485-9389+42@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 522 Lines: 13 > > Yip. I've got my old original and a snap of the same which runs nicely and loads and saves from the Amiga hard drive using ZXAM. > > Didn't someone hack Elite ages ago to to the same on SAM? > Well, I've got a version which I hacked about a bit so that although you can't load/save off disk, it does let you use the LOAD from tape option to install a load of cheats... loadsa money, weaponry, and if you don't save the game first, it sets you down by a star going nova... dunno how that one crept in ;) Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Oct 1 08:47:11 1996 Subject: BOAI Issue 2, ROMS To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 08:46:04 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <96Oct1.084621+0100_met.145485-9391+45@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 313 Lines: 10 Hi everyone, What do the people who've got their copies think of BOAI issue 2? Any good? Any comments? Other than that, if anyone's interested in having a HominROM for their SAM (customised startup message, SHIFT-F9 to do BOOT 1, F7=LOAD, F8=DIR) then please let me know... only 7.95 UKP... (inc. p&p) Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Oct 1 09:04:33 1996 Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 08:28:55 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <18156@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SAM version of ELITE X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 889 Lines: 30 In message <34CF9A65C2E@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> "Gavin Smith" writes: > > > > You must be kidding? Why not make a total rewamp whilst at it? > > Has this been checked with David Braben and Ian Bell? I got a rather > > firm 'NO' when I tried. > > > > -Frode > > > Spectrum code? I thought it was being rewritten for Sam :((( > According to Fred anyway. *sigh* Oh well, time to dig the emulator > out and my old speccy elite tape :( > > Gavin > Perhaps when they looked at the source the programmer had a nervous breakdown? Funny about David Braben. I got a call a month or so back sort of asking about the Speccy emulator. He directly asked about if Elite was on the registered disc. When I said no, he admitted he was a friend of David who had asked him to make the enquiry. Is this guy paranoid or what? No, I did not ask for the guys details... Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Oct 1 09:04:50 1996 Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 08:34:47 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <18157@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SAM version of ELITE X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 658 Lines: 18 In message <960930084807_114459002@emout07.mail.aol.com> FormatPub@aol.com writes: > SAM version of Elite due out at Gloucester show 26th October. > > Program uses Spectrum code, so mode 1 screen, but save and loads commander > files to SAM disc. > Revelation have purchased original manuals and packaging (actually for the > Amstrad CPC version because there was no Spectrum packaging left) from the > people who took over Firebird. > > Bob. > Bob, what about the Lenslok. I trust you are removing this ridivulous device from the software! Also, are you sure you have the source with the go straight to Elite bug removed? Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Oct 1 10:46:14 1996 Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 10:44:54 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9610010944.AA02156@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SAM version of ELITE X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 501 Lines: 13 > > PS: I'm rather desperate for a computer related conferense in the London- > > are around the weekend of 26th October..:/ > > Frode - why not come to the Gloucester show? It's on the 26th... *IF* > Allan Skillman and myself are hiring a car, I'm sure we could come and > pick you up (then again, I don't know *quite* where Allan *is*... is > Kettering far from London?) I'd love to come, but trouble is that I need an excuse to go to England. A seminar or course would be ideal. ;) -Frode From imc Tue Oct 1 11:03:13 1996 Subject: Re: SAM version of ELITE To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 11:03:13 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <9610010944.AA02156@asmal.edh-net> from "Frode Tenneboe" at Oct 1, 96 10:44:54 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 328 Lines: 9 I'd just like to say that *I* knew what you meant, Frode. :-) > PS: I'm rather desperate for a computer related conferense in the London- > are around the weekend of 26th October..:/ He doesn't mean _on_ the 26th of October, just _around_ it - that way he has an excuse to be in the country so he can go to the show, OK? imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Oct 1 11:11:15 1996 Subject: Re: SAM version of ELITE To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 11:09:45 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <9610011003.AA02172@boothp2.ecs.ox.ac.uk> from "Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk" at Oct 1, 96 11:03:13 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <96Oct1.111032+0100_met.145492-9390+56@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 475 Lines: 15 > > I'd just like to say that *I* knew what you meant, Frode. :-) > > > PS: I'm rather desperate for a computer related conferense in the London- > > are around the weekend of 26th October..:/ > > He doesn't mean _on_ the 26th of October, just _around_ it - that way he > has an excuse to be in the country so he can go to the show, OK? Cookie falls to the ground, struck across the forehead by the ray of light currently dawning over the horizon near him... ;) Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Oct 1 12:14:25 1996 Subject: Re: BOAI Issue 2, ROMS (fwd) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 12:12:51 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <96Oct1.121325+0100_met.145492-9390+58@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1191 Lines: 34 Forwarded message: Delivery-Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 11:57:46 +0100 Subject: Re: BOAI Issue 2, ROMS To: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 11:57:05 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@mailhost.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <9610011022.AA02182@asmal.edh-net> from "Frode Tenneboe" at Oct 1, 96 11:22:49 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 630 From: Simon Cooke Sender: Simon.Cooke@mailhost.mcc.ac.uk > > > Hi everyone, > > > > What do the people who've got their copies think of BOAI issue 2? Any > > good? Any comments? > > > > Other than that, if anyone's interested in having a HominROM for their > > SAM (customised startup message, SHIFT-F9 to do BOOT 1, F7=LOAD, F8=DIR) > > then please let me know... only 7.95 UKP... (inc. p&p) > > You mentioned something about a scheme for foreginers getting > their hand on BOAI. Anything new on that front? Ummmm.... not yet... unless we can get involved in the foreign currency scheme that Fred and Format have (if I remember correctly). Bob? Colin? Brian? Any ideas? Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Oct 1 18:38:52 1996 Message-Id: <199610011735.TAA16024@dxmint.cern.ch> From: Allan Skillman Subject: Whereabouts of me To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 1 Oct 96 19:35:31 METDST Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 950 Lines: 19 Hi All, Simon wanted to know where I am, well actually I'm at CERN at the moment which I guess is quite a way from London. Kettering is about 70 miles from the Smoke, just look at a newish map, which includes the A1-M1 link road (The A14), Kettering is right on it. Allan -- +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Now available! 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I've got my old original and a snap of the same which runs nicely and loads and saves from the Amiga hard drive using ZXAM. Gee, someone else who hasn't got a Return key on their keyboard... > Didn't someone hack Elite ages ago to to the same on SAM? Well you can just save a snap every so often. Besides, if you do that you can snap it just before docking in case you crash. I learned to dock that way. I transferred the snap to my +3 so I can now use tape as usual. And now I have an original tape, but it won't load so I guess I have to stick to the snap... imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Oct 1 20:01:46 1996 Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 15:00:49 -0400 From: FormatPub@aol.com Message-Id: <961001150047_321989883@emout11.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SAM version of ELITE - More Info Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1681 Lines: 36 I think a few people have missed the point regarding the SAM version of Elite. Yes, it is the core code from the Spectrum version. But next to the original Beeb version this was by far the best version. Yes, it is in Mode 1. But then Elite does not need Mode 4 graphics. Elite has not been sold on the Spectrum since 1989. This meens that there are many people who have never seen the program and just as many who no longer have a copy. Don't you think they deserve consideration? Yes you could run the Spectrum version under an emulator - but then you have to load it from tape to start with. Revelation have purchased original Firebird packaging, I believe from the people who purchased the rights to the 8 bit range of Firebird's software. An extra set of instructions, covering the SAM keys and disc load/save is included. And yes, lenslok has been removed because you cannot get the lenslok plasic anymore, and they were not I cannot see why there has been such negitive comments through this mailing list. Elite is a bloody good program, the manuals and other material are needed to get the best out of the game, and anyone who wants to play it properly on SAM should have the SAM version with the ability to load and save to disc. Ever since SAM came out, Elite has been one of the most requested games. Now someone has had the temerity and the tenacity to get the job done - I think it is a very poor job we people condem it just because they are too tight to pay what is, when all said and done, a very reasonable price for a game. Hopefully, the SAM public at large, will find the game worthwhile, then maybe we will see more software being converted. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Oct 1 22:59:11 1996 Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 20:59:49 +0200 From: David Gommeren Subject: Re: Whereabouts of me To: Sam List In-Reply-To: <199610011735.TAA16024@dxmint.cern.ch> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: David Gommeren, Belgium X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.08] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 568 Lines: 15 On Tue 01 Oct, Allan Skillman wrote: > Hi All, > > Simon wanted to know where I am, well actually I'm at CERN at the moment > which I guess is quite a way from London. Kettering is about 70 miles > from the Smoke, just look at a newish map, which includes the A1-M1 link road > (The A14), Kettering is right on it. Kettering you say? That's nice. That's close to Corby where a customer of the company I work for is located. I visit this place once every two months or so (they should have a nice Italian restaurant somewhere). David Gommeren (gommerd@interpac.be) From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Oct 1 23:01:54 1996 Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 21:09:53 +0200 From: David Gommeren Subject: Re: SAM version of ELITE To: Sam List In-Reply-To: <96Oct1.084235+0100_met.145487-9391+43@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: David Gommeren, Belgium X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.08] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 628 Lines: 16 On Tue 01 Oct, Simon Cooke wrote: > > PS: I'm rather desperate for a computer related conferense in the London- > > are around the weekend of 26th October..:/ > > Frode - why not come to the Gloucester show? It's on the 26th... *IF* > Allan Skillman and myself are hiring a car, I'm sure we could come and > pick you up (then again, I don't know *quite* where Allan *is*... is > Kettering far from London?) Hey, I could plan to go to the UK for this weekend, what days is this show, saterday or sunday. I could plan things to make it a combined pleasure/business trip (or something). David Gommeren (gommerd@interpac.be) From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Oct 1 23:13:01 1996 Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 23:59:53 +0200 From: David Gommeren Subject: Re: SAM version of ELITE - More Info To: Sam List In-Reply-To: <961001150047_321989883@emout11.mail.aol.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: David Gommeren, Belgium X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.08] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 476 Lines: 18 On Tue 01 Oct, FormatPub@aol.com wrote: > I think a few people have missed the point regarding the SAM version of > Elite. a lot of text > Hopefully, the SAM public at large, will find the game worthwhile, then maybe > we will see more software being converted. > > Bob. We all understand your point (and we agree with the latter), but we are not negative, just a little bit disappointed, we hoped we could get a real Sam version ;) David Gommeren (gommerd@interpac.be) From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Oct 1 23:13:40 1996 Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 21:02:22 +0200 From: David Gommeren Subject: Re: SAM Elite To: Sam List In-Reply-To: <9609301224.AA01076@asmal.edh-net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: David Gommeren, Belgium X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.08] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 273 Lines: 11 On Mon 30 Sep, Frode Tenneboe wrote: > Hey. > > Anybody got any news about the Elite version for SAM? It's advertised in the latest Format. Just the original Spectrum code with a patch loaded on top of it to enable disk saving etc. David Gommeren (gommerd@interpac.be) From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Oct 1 23:13:40 1996 Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 21:04:16 +0200 From: David Gommeren Subject: Re: Selling opertunity ahoy... - Reply To: Sam List In-Reply-To: <960930084808_114459012@emout08.mail.aol.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: David Gommeren, Belgium X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.08] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 585 Lines: 16 On Mon 30 Sep, FormatPub@aol.com wrote: > Not easy to give full list of SAM parts without a lot of work looking up > prices. > > However, apart from the sound chip, the most common items people want is the > Asic (#20), the 1377 video chip (#4), replacement keyboard (#12.95), 24Mhz > Crystal (#1) and ROM chip (#10 on its own #12.95 with new DOS disc). > > These are the only item we have been asked for in the past. If anyone has > other items they want then let me know. If I only have analogue RGB video (no TV, composite) what do I need? David Gommeren (gommerd@interpac.be) From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 2 08:35:30 1996 Subject: Re: Selling opertunity ahoy... - Reply To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 08:34:30 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: from "David Gommeren" at Oct 1, 96 09:04:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <96Oct2.083444+0100_met.145480-26930+25@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 693 Lines: 18 > > On Mon 30 Sep, FormatPub@aol.com wrote: > > Not easy to give full list of SAM parts without a lot of work looking up > > prices. > > > > However, apart from the sound chip, the most common items people want is the > > Asic (#20), the 1377 video chip (#4), replacement keyboard (#12.95), 24Mhz > > Crystal (#1) and ROM chip (#10 on its own #12.95 with new DOS disc). > > > > These are the only item we have been asked for in the past. If anyone has > > other items they want then let me know. > > If I only have analogue RGB video (no TV, composite) what do I need? 1377 Video chip is the most likely contender if you can't get composite video but can get direct RGB output... Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 2 09:57:18 1996 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 09:54:50 +0100 From: Dan Doore To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SAM version of ELITE - More Info - Reply Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 831 Lines: 22 > Yes, it is in Mode 1. But then Elite does not need Mode 4 graphics. Apart from attribute clash that is > Ever since SAM came out, Elite has been one of the most requested games. Nowsomeon e > has had the temerity and the tenacity to get the job done - I think itis a very poor job we people > condem it just because they are too tight to paywhat is, when all said and done, a very > reasonable price for a game. Requested FOR THE COUPE!!! What's the point of splashing out the 300-odd quid in 1990 (which is what my setup cost me) to run what is essentially an emulated game when what's wanted is a *proper* conversion. I don't care if I'm classed as being a negitive contributer to this argument, I just think this smacks of the 'Delta Charge' incident - stick Sam on the box and grab the cash with both hands. Dan. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 2 10:34:41 1996 Subject: Re: SAM version of ELITE - More Info - Reply To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 10:32:48 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: from "Dan Doore" at Oct 2, 96 09:54:50 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <96Oct2.103334+0100_met.145480-26927+55@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1370 Lines: 38 > What's the point of splashing out the 300-odd quid in 1990 (which is what my setup cost me) to > run what is essentially an emulated game when what's wanted is a *proper* conversion. > > I don't care if I'm classed as being a negitive contributer to this argument, I just think this smacks of > the 'Delta Charge' incident - stick Sam on the box and grab the cash with both hands. Personally, my main point of contention in this argument is this: WHy is it still Mode 1? Mode 2 is: Faster (processor runs faster in this mode than in Mode 1, as Mode 1 is slowed down). Better laid out. (Flat addressing space). Has more scope for colour in the status area. A SAM version should ideally take the Spectrum version as a skeleton (for speed of development), use Mode 2 for all graphics, and have a back-screen using video memory paging synchronised to the screen update -- that way, no flicker. It should also have sound effects. If this at the very least hasn't been done, then the programmer hasn't taken his job seriously. Bells & Whistles: Music (on/off toggle, of course) Impressive Mode 4 hyperspace sequence (not impossible). MOde 4 cargo bay sequences, mode 3 for trading info/prices? How's that sound? Filled 3-D, in my reckoning, would be a bit too slow to implement in MOde 4, so wireframe is acceptable - and for that, Mode 2 is fine. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 2 11:25:59 1996 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 11:24:12 +0100 From: Dan Doore To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SAM version of ELITE - More Info - Re - Reply Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 447 Lines: 11 > A SAM version should ideally take the Spectrum version as a skeleton (for speed of > development), use Mode 2 for all graphics, and have a back-screen using video memory > paging synchronised to the screen update -- that way, no flicker. It should also have > sound effects. > > If this at the very least hasn't been done, then the programmer hasn't taken his job seriously. That's *exactly* what I'm on about. Well said Mr Cooke. Dan. From imc Wed Oct 2 12:38:41 1996 Subject: Re: SAM version of ELITE - More Info To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 12:38:41 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <961001150047_321989883@emout11.mail.aol.com> from "FormatPub@aol.com" at Oct 1, 96 03:00:49 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1048 Lines: 24 On Tue, 1 Oct 1996 15:00:49 -0400, FormatPub@aol.com said: > I think a few people have missed the point regarding the SAM version of > Elite. > Yes, it is the core code from the Spectrum version. But next to the original > Beeb version this was by far the best version. But a Sam version could be even better! > Ever since SAM came out, Elite has been one of the most requested games. Now > someone has had the temerity and the tenacity to get the job done - I think > it is a very poor job we people condem it just because they are too tight to > pay what is, when all said and done, a very reasonable price for a game. This isn't really a conversion though, is it. It sounds like a 20-minute hack to me. Incidentally, who does the money go to if the game makes a profit? You know, there's a good chance that I would buy a real Sam version, but as I already have the Speccy version (and was fortunate enough to buy a copy in its original packaging for five quid a couple of months ago) I certainly have no need of this hack version. imc From imc Wed Oct 2 12:55:06 1996 Subject: Re: SAM version of ELITE - More Info - Reply To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 12:55:06 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <96Oct2.103334+0100_met.145480-26927+55@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> from "Simon Cooke" at Oct 2, 96 10:32:48 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1394 Lines: 35 On Wed, 2 Oct 1996 10:32:48 +0100 (BST), Simon Cooke said: > A SAM version should ideally take the Spectrum version as a skeleton (for > speed of development), use Mode 2 for all graphics, and have a > back-screen using video memory paging synchronised to the screen update > -- that way, no flicker. It should also have sound effects. > If this at the very least hasn't been done, then the programmer hasn't taken > his job seriously. Indeed so. > Bells & Whistles: > Music (on/off toggle, of course) I'm not sure music is particularly suitable for Elite, though. > Impressive Mode 4 hyperspace sequence (not impossible). > MOde 4 cargo bay sequences, mode 3 for trading info/prices? Real computer docking sequence, like in the PC version (the legacy of this can still be seen in the instruction manual, where it says that the C key toggles computer docking on and off). Military lasers that look like military lasers instead of being the same as all the other ones except a bit faster (like on the PC version). > How's that sound? Filled 3-D, in my reckoning, would be a bit too slow to > implement in MOde 4, so wireframe is acceptable - and for that, Mode 2 is > fine. I think Frode was saying earlier that you should be able to have more than one colour, so mode 4 would be better for that. Also, mode 3 would give you a bit better resolution so it would look nicer. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 2 17:44:32 1996 From: sh5655@Bristol.ac.uk (SL. Harding) Message-Id: <199610021641.RAA25975@irix.bris.ac.uk> Subject: Coupe-iler To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 17:41:51 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1107 Lines: 24 I must admit that I have been silently opposed to SAM and Spectrum emulators for silly machines such as PCs -On the grounds that it is cruel to delude such a useless box of chips into thinking it is a REAL computer. But now these emulators exist we could use them to our advantage. Surpose someone could use the basis of one such emulator to create a compiler, which could compile Sam code directly into free-standing runnable PC code. All of the hard work to alter the graphics and sound routines can be done by the compiler using code designed for the emulators. With a well written compiler we will get faster PC versions than with an emulator so they could be run on slower machines. Our SAM software houses will be able to sell their best SAM games as self-contained PC games thus greatly increasing their market. If such a compiler seems to be too hard to write, why couldn't we just use a cut down version of the emulator (with a minimal ROM equilivent; different enough to avoid copyright problems) which could be saved in such a way to auto-run a Sam game when loaded? Respond. Numbly From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 2 21:32:40 1996 Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 21:53:04 +0200 From: David Gommeren Subject: Re: SAM version of ELITE - More Info - Reply To: Sam List In-Reply-To: <96Oct2.103334+0100_met.145480-26927+55@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: David Gommeren, Belgium X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.08] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 602 Lines: 18 On Wed 02 Oct, Simon Cooke wrote: > Bells & Whistles: > Music (on/off toggle, of course) > Impressive Mode 4 hyperspace sequence (not impossible). > MOde 4 cargo bay sequences, mode 3 for trading info/prices? > > How's that sound? Filled 3-D, in my reckoning, would be a bit too slow to > implement in MOde 4, so wireframe is acceptable - and for that, Mode 2 is > fine. I totally agree, and what's more, we should be able to do a conversion like that ourselves. But then, who's got the time? Rewriting the 3D engine for mode 2 is still quite a lot of work! David Gommeren (gommerd@interpac.be) From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 2 21:32:41 1996 Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 21:50:23 +0200 From: David Gommeren Subject: Now TTL/Composite/TV To: Sam List In-Reply-To: <96Oct2.083444+0100_met.145480-26930+25@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: David Gommeren, Belgium X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.08] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 368 Lines: 12 On Wed 02 Oct, Simon Cooke wrote: > > If I only have analogue RGB video (no TV, composite) what do I need? > > 1377 Video chip is the most likely contender if you can't get composite > video but can get direct RGB output... Even though I don't need it, I will finally replace it then (it is already broken for 4 years or so). David Gommeren (gommerd@interpac.be) From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 3 00:07:10 1996 Message-Id: From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale) Subject: Re: SAM version of ELITE - More Info - Reply To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 00:05:50 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "David Gommeren" at Oct 2, 96 09:53:04 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 465 Lines: 11 The point with SAM Elite is that yes, it could be improved - but who's going to do it? The number of times I hear things mentioned on this mailing list of what could/should be done and how to do it, and then nothing ever happens, is incredible. Let's face it - the SAM has been around since 1989 and no-one has bothered yet to re-write Elite, so why not let those who haven't got the Speccy version buy a hassle-free SAM runnable copy without the bitching?! -Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 3 00:46:36 1996 Date: 02 Oct 96 19:42:24 EDT From: Ian Dalziel <100717.2266@compuserve.com> To: SAM-USERS Subject: Coupe-iler Message-Id: <961002234223_100717.2266_EHU36-1@CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 478 Lines: 11 >> I must admit that I have been silently opposed to SAM and Spectrum emulators for silly machines such as PCs << Stick with it - beats me why people mouth crap like "the emulator will keep the machine alive". What emulators do is KILL machines. They're useful for enthusiasts like you and me, but Gerton's emulator (IMHO) has done more than anything to relegate the Spectrum to car-boot fodder, and if SimCoupe does the same for SAM, I hope Allan is proud of himself... Ian From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 3 08:20:49 1996 Message-Id: <199610030720.JAA20327@dxmint.cern.ch> From: Allan Skillman Subject: Re: Coupe-iler To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 3 Oct 96 9:19:58 METDST In-Reply-To: <961002234223_100717.2266_EHU36-1@CompuServe.COM>; from "Ian Dalziel" at Oct 02, 96 7:42 pm Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1980 Lines: 40 > > >> I must admit that I have been silently opposed to SAM and Spectrum emulators > for silly machines such as PCs << Nothing silly about a PC, as long as its running a real operating system, somthing preferably begining with L, or maybe B, but never W or D :) > > Stick with it - beats me why people mouth crap like "the emulator will keep the > machine alive". What emulators do is KILL machines. They're useful for > enthusiasts like you and me, but Gerton's emulator (IMHO) has done more than > anything to relegate the Spectrum to car-boot fodder, and if SimCoupe does the > same for SAM, I hope Allan is proud of himself... > Obviously someone who doesn't want a copy eh :). Seriously emulators are useful, real hardware breaks down and the parts start to become unavailable - remember that the estimated life of the Sam components is 5 years. Also with the market being dominated by probably the most cobbled together system ever invented, the real inovations must be kept, if only to show that computers could be built elegently. Not just out much loved boxes like the ZX81, Spectrum and QL (and SAM!), but also wonderful machines like the NeXT workstations. The main reason I developed XCoupe and SimCoupe, was as a programming challenge. I wanted to see if it could be done. Allan -- +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Now available! XCoupe, the one and only SAM Coupe emulator | | *** http://www.hep.ucl.ac.uk/~ajs/xcoupe *** | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ | Allan Skillman | "There are five flavours of resons, the | | HEPP Group | elementary particles of magic : up, down, | | University College London | sideways, sex-appeal and peppermint." | | Email : ajs@hep.ucl.ac.uk | - Terry Pratchett (Lords and Ladies) | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 3 08:34:50 1996 Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 08:35:49 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9610030735.AA03078@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SAM version of ELITE - More Info - Reply X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 673 Lines: 17 > > The point with SAM Elite is that yes, it could be > improved - but who's going to do it? The number of times > I hear things mentioned on this mailing list of what > could/should be done and how to do it, and then > nothing ever happens, is incredible. Let's face > it - the SAM has been around since 1989 and no-one > has bothered yet to re-write Elite, so why not > let those who haven't got the Speccy version buy > a hassle-free SAM runnable copy without the bitching?! I have been in contact with David Braben about the posibility of doing a conversion to the SAM Coupe. The answer I got was a 'NO!'. Needless to say, there was nothing else to be done. -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 3 08:57:06 1996 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19961003075550.00686028@post.keme.co.uk> X-Sender: kennard@post.keme.co.uk (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 08:55:50 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: steve Kennard Subject: Re: Coupe-iler Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1394 Lines: 28 At 19:42 02/10/96 EDT, you wrote: >>> I must admit that I have been silently opposed to SAM and Spectrum emulators >for silly machines such as PCs << > >Stick with it - beats me why people mouth crap like "the emulator will keep the >machine alive". What emulators do is KILL machines. They're useful for >enthusiasts like you and me, but Gerton's emulator (IMHO) has done more than >anything to relegate the Spectrum to car-boot fodder, and if SimCoupe does the >same for SAM, I hope Allan is proud of himself... > >Ian > >Rubbish!! I run the Emulator BBS +44 1284 760851 and have many many users who use emulators to because they just cannot find the real thing, I for one cannot find a Sam and when i did find one it was much to overpriced. Since starting the BBS 6 months ago, I have emulators for machines that I have never herd of, and have since gone and found the real thing, and now have most of the machines that i have a emulator for!! So the point is that a emulator does not relagate a machine to a boot sale in fact it helps to put them back into peoples homes and in use (i found all mine at boot sales) I had forgotten the joys of using a C64 and a Speccy, I have decovered the fun to be had with a Oric and a MSX all because of a Emulator btw I prefer to run the real thing BUT EMULATORS DO A GOOD JOB But I do not have a sam , so has anyone got one going cheep!!! PLEASE From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 3 09:03:38 1996 Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 08:57:28 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <18230@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Coupe-iler X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1016 Lines: 27 In message <961002234223_100717.2266_EHU36-1@CompuServe.COM> Ian Dalziel writes: > >> I must admit that I have been silently opposed to SAM and Spectrum emulators > for silly machines such as PCs << > > Stick with it - beats me why people mouth crap like "the emulator will keep the > machine alive". What emulators do is KILL machines. They're useful for > enthusiasts like you and me, but Gerton's emulator (IMHO) has done more than > anything to relegate the Spectrum to car-boot fodder, and if SimCoupe does the > same for SAM, I hope Allan is proud of himself... > > Ian > > I take offence at that. I find people are starting to want to get their real Speccies going again when they get the emulator. They then give them to their kids, or gtanparents, using the PC to copy programs to tape for them. Ut is the death of easy to get Spectrum software that has killed the machine, NOT emulators! I dispute that either machine is dead anyway. It ll depends on your definition. Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 3 10:31:29 1996 Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 10:32:13 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9610030932.AA03228@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SAM version of ELITE - More Info X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 3605 Lines: 83 > I think a few people have missed the point regarding the SAM version of > Elite. > > Yes, it is the core code from the Spectrum version. But next to the original > Beeb version this was by far the best version. > > Yes, it is in Mode 1. But then Elite does not need Mode 4 graphics. We all understand what you are saying, Bob, it's just that the SAM deserves better than just tossing together old Spectrum code in CPC packaging. When you took the initiative to lauching a SAM version, and you had the source code, any one of us on the list could do a Mode 3 situation for better resolution, or at least a Mode 2 for more colours, with the bottom 1/3 and the space-station screens in mode 4. Have some funcky laser-shots sounds, some funky deep-space mosack (imagine Elite with Quazar sound!!! With foes shooting at you from all angles)..just imagine the posibilities. And I also seriously believe that it is possible to do filled 3D on 2/3 of the screen easily at 25Hz, possibly at 50Hz. Remmeber that Elite is not very crowded - except from white space. Ane event there, how many poligons are we talking about? 20-25? > > Elite has not been sold on the Spectrum since 1989. This meens that there > are many people who have never seen the program and just as many who no > longer have a copy. Don't you think they deserve consideration? Yes you could > run the Spectrum version under an emulator - but then you have to load it > from tape to start with. It takes most of the people on this list exactly 15 minutes to do a load-from disc hack. You could have had it 5 years ago. ;) > > Revelation have purchased original Firebird packaging, I believe from the > people who purchased the rights to the 8 bit range of Firebird's software. Does this include the rights to modify the code and re-release it? > > An extra set of instructions, covering the SAM keys and disc load/save is > included. And yes, lenslok has been removed because you cannot get the > lenslok plasic anymore, and they were not Good. > > I cannot see why there has been such negitive comments through this mailing > list. Elite is a bloody good program, the manuals and other material are > needed to get the best out of the game, and anyone who wants to play it > properly on SAM should have the SAM version with the ability to load and save > to disc. Indeed. I was a bit excied when I heard about the SAM version, but as it's merely a cut-and-paste job, I was a bit dissapointed as probably the rest of the list. The effort is appriciated, but that's not what _I_ wanted from a SAM version of Elite. > > Ever since SAM came out, Elite has been one of the most requested games. Now > someone has had the temerity and the tenacity to get the job done - I think > it is a very poor job we people condem it just because they are too tight to > pay what is, when all said and done, a very reasonable price for a game. Hum...it might be me, but I don't get this sentence. :/ Please explain what you are at, Bob. > > Hopefully, the SAM public at large, will find the game worthwhile, then maybe > we will see more software being converted. Conversions are fine, but please, Bob, please, make them in some way enhanced from the Spectrum. The SAM is a far superior machine to only run as a high-cost Spectrum engine. Bob, how about using this group as a resource repository. :) I for one is very interested in SAM related projects (as soon as I finish this bl*** renovating of my new bathroom...). The net is an ideal tool for exchanging ideas FAST, sending binaries, etc. -Frode PS: How's MM going btw? From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 3 11:26:49 1996 From: sh5655@bristol.ac.uk (SL. Harding) Message-Id: <199610031023.LAA14167@irix.bris.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Coupe-iler To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 11:23:41 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19961003075550.00686028@post.keme.co.uk> from "steve Kennard" at Oct 3, 96 08:55:50 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 941 Lines: 20 > > At 19:42 02/10/96 EDT, you wrote: > >>> I must admit that I have been silently opposed to SAM and Spectrum emulators > >for silly machines such as PCs << > > > >Stick with it - beats me why people mouth crap like "the emulator will keep the > >machine alive". What emulators do is KILL machines. They're useful for > >enthusiasts like you and me, but Gerton's emulator (IMHO) has done more than > >anything to relegate the Spectrum to car-boot fodder, and if SimCoupe does the > >same for SAM, I hope Allan is proud of himself... You have all missed the point! I was proposing a way to increase the market potential of Sam games by converting them so they can be sold as free-standing PC games on an unsuspecting (huge) population. This cannot possibly reduce the need for Sams as they are much nicer to program than PCs, that is unless we are stupid enough to sell the PC versions cheeper than the Sam versions! ;-) C9 Numbly From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 3 11:47:41 1996 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 11:46:30 +0100 From: Dan Doore To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Coupe-iler - Reply Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1293 Lines: 29 > Stick with it - beats me why people mouth crap like "the emulator will keep > the machine alive". > What emulators do is KILL machines. They're useful forenthusiasts like you and > me, but Gerton's emulator (IMHO) has done more thananything to relegate the > Spectrum to car-boot fodder, and if SimCoupe does the same for SAM, I hope > Allan is proud of himself... A couple of points: Since I sold my speccy (to an unsuspecting punter for UKP80 :) ) I have been using emulators, both on my Sam and Gerton's on the PC so I could play Atic Atac at work and for me this keeps my speccy collection alive since my little army of snap utilities allow for conversion between machines. Secondly, I think Allan has done a sterling job on SimCoupe and rubbishing anybody's hard graft is bang out of order. Thirdly, my Sam has had bits dying for years now, my video chip croaked 2 years ago, there are several dodgy keys (including a comedy delete key that flips 2 inches up in the air if hit at the wrong/correct angle) and a dead soundchip (I will be purchasing a replacement - honest Bob!). This means than an emulator will ensure that when my Sam finally curls up it's tootsies I will be able to continue to play with it and not lose all my stuff, the same as when I lost my speccy. Dan. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 3 14:04:37 1996 From: MR DJ GRAY Organization: The University of Birmingham To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 13:33:08 GMT Subject: Colin A & Elite... Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) Message-Id: <57179F019FE@novell3.bham.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 461 Lines: 20 Hello, thought I'd say hello. How much did Speccy Elite sell for? I'm a bit dissapointed that Elite is just going to be a mode1 speccy transfer job... It ought to be rewritten, and then you could have the speccy version included as a comparison, as has been done in many other games... Is Anderton on the Mailing list yet? Ah question, how do I change my Email address on this mailing list? Got to go and get my loan...bye Diggory [Internet message] From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 3 15:02:20 1996 Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 15:03:08 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9610031403.AA03413@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Colin A & Elite... X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 241 Lines: 11 > Ah question, how do I change my Email address on this mailing > list? Unsubscribe your old one and resubscribe your new one (to sam-users-request@nvg.unit.no). > Got to go and get my loan...bye Don't spend it all on drugs. ;) -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 3 15:08:33 1996 X-Authentication-Warning: nine-inch-nails.mono.org: unc owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 15:03:37 +0100 (BST) From: Tim Paveley To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Web pages.... Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 696 Lines: 23 Just ran a linker checker on the scrapbook, and the following pages came out bad... Some pretty famous ones too! Anyone want to tell me if they know where they have moved to? .............................................................................@/ Unc - Tim Paveley - Moderator of "The Games Room" & "Ascii Animations" http://www.mono.org/~unc/ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 15:00:26 +0100 Subject: Result of bad link test The following links were checked and found to be bad: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk:80/~simonc/ - Cookie! http://ulke.hiMolde.no:80/~frodet/ - Frode! http://www.cee.hw.ac.uk/~foo-byte http://www.cs.tu-berlin.de/~ingw From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 3 15:14:45 1996 Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 15:15:05 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9610031415.AA03472@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Web pages.... X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 223 Lines: 7 > http://ulke.hiMolde.no:80/~frodet/ - Frode! Hum...well...I've lost that account. I have some seriously outdated pages at http://www.nvg.unit.no/~frodet/ - I have no idea when I'll get around to updating them. -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 3 15:15:38 1996 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 15:13:59 +0100 From: Dan Doore To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Web pages.... - Reply Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 105 Lines: 4 Tim, are the Scrapbook pages still 'active' or are they just an on-line archive since they moved? Dan. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 3 15:25:11 1996 Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 15:23:38 +0100 (BST) From: Tim Paveley To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Web pages.... - Reply In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 620 Lines: 19 On Thu, 3 Oct 1996, Dan Doore wrote: > Tim, are the Scrapbook pages still 'active' or are they just an on-line > archive since they moved? Well... I try to keep them fairly current, though to be honest haven't added anything in ages, kind of got carried away with final year project and the like (#include) :) But if anyone points out any errors/omissions then I still try to fixed that fairly quickly. Tim ....@/ .........................................................................@/ Unc - Tim Paveley - http://dplinux.sund.ac.uk/~unc/ Owner of a Sam Coupe - http://www.mono.org/~unc/Coupe/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 3 16:01:03 1996 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 15:57:53 +0100 From: Dan Doore To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Web pages.... - Reply - Reply Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 508 Lines: 17 > I try to keep them fairly current, though to be honest haven't added anything in > ages, kind of got carried away with final year project and the like > (#include) :) Ahh! The Final Project, I remeber it well :) > But if anyone points out any errors/omissions then I still try to fixed that fairly > quickly. Well, my mail address has changed... The pages (IMHO) look a touch on the bland side and could do with a bit of Netscapey enhancement such as a nice background or frames. Dan. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 3 16:58:42 1996 Subject: Re: Web pages.... - Reply - Reply To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 16:57:24 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: from "Dan Doore" at Oct 3, 96 03:57:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <96Oct3.165752+0100_met.145481-2722+63@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 654 Lines: 21 > > > I try to keep them fairly current, though to be honest haven't added anything in > > ages, kind of got carried away with final year project and the like > > (#include) :) > > Ahh! The Final Project, I remeber it well :) > > > But if anyone points out any errors/omissions then I still try to fixed that fairly > > quickly. > > Well, my mail address has changed... > > The pages (IMHO) look a touch on the bland side and could do with a bit of > Netscapey enhancement such as a nice background or frames. Java version of SimCoupe? ;) (*grins* guess who's writing in Java these days... no prizes for correct answers ;) ) Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 3 17:20:46 1996 Message-Id: From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale) Subject: emulator To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 17:18:39 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <96Oct3.165752+0100_met.145481-2722+63@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> from "Simon Cooke" at Oct 3, 96 04:57:24 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 985 Lines: 24 It occurs to me that it would be quite possible to build a computer which could hardware emulate a range of older computers such as SAM, Spec, BBC, Oric, C16, Tandys etc... First you'd need a fast processor (eg a 68000) with video circuitry, and then you'd have a Z80, a 6502, a chunk of RAM, and some clever circuitry. Only one 8-bit processor would operate at any time, and the memory map of the chunk of RAM connected to it would be configured by the 68000. ROM images would be loaded into this RAM. The circuitry would then look out for writes to particular areas of the z80/6502's memory map and cause a 68000 interrupt - the 68000 would then take that data and, in the case of a write to the 8-bit's video ram area, re-map the data to its own video RAM in an appropriate manner. I/O would be emulated in a similar way..... The only thing is - is there any point when we can have software emulators on PCs? I suppose a computer like this would only cost around 150UKP.... -Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 3 19:37:10 1996 Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 19:35:56 +0100 (BST) From: Tim Paveley To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Web pages.... - Reply - Reply In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1005 Lines: 28 On Thu, 3 Oct 1996, Dan Doore wrote: > Well, my mail address has changed... :tick! > The pages (IMHO) look a touch on the bland side and could do with a bit of > Netscapey enhancement such as a nice background or frames. :spit That's a bit more unlikely. Personally I dislike frames/java/vast amounts of inline pictures. I very much prefer things to look nice and simple. This partly comes from the fact that it means I can easily use a text browser to look at them with. Okay, I could have a lynx set, and a netscape 4.06b set, but then so many browsers disagree on how everything should be done... But anyway, I do have cgi access now, so I might try writing some nice little scripts to do things.... And one day I might finish EGGBuM II for Colin :) .........................................................................@/ Unc - Tim Paveley - http://dplinux.sund.ac.uk/~unc/ Staff of the Monochrome BBS - http://www.mono.org/ Owner of a Sam Coupe - http://www.mono.org/~unc/Coupe/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 3 20:18:39 1996 Date: 03 Oct 96 13:07:54 EDT From: Ian Dalziel <100717.2266@compuserve.com> To: SAM-USERS Subject: Emlators Message-Id: <961003170754_100717.2266_EHU31-1@CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 571 Lines: 16 >> Too many outraged messages to quote << Keep your hair on! I SAID the things are useful for the likes of us - I've had a registered copy of Z80 for years, and I probably will buy SimCoupe (once I don't have to contaminate me PC by letting some kinda Unix in the same room ). I couldn't have written either myself, I'm impressed, I am not worthy, I abase myself... OK? But I want to see the machines kept alive, not just the software. Once you have a decent emulator, you lose the users who just have a favourite application that won't run on anything else. Ian From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 4 01:11:59 1996 Subject: Re: emulator In-Reply-To: (from sam-users@nvg.unit.no) (on Thu, 03 Oct 96 17:18:39) X-Mailer: ADMail version 1.04 (c) 1995 S.T.Brown From: simon@studio.woden.com Date: Fri, 4 Oct 96 00:49:48 Message-Id: <19961004.7A55468.14F5@studio.woden.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1283 Lines: 33 > It occurs to me that it would be quite possible > to build a computer which could hardware emulate > a range of older computers such as SAM, Spec, BBC, > Oric, C16, Tandys etc... First you'd need a fast > processor (eg a 68000) with video circuitry, and then > you'd have a Z80, a 6502, a chunk of RAM, and some > clever circuitry. I know someone who has a neat custom chip design to do just that. It's a Z80 processor add-on with its own memory, and runs in a PC parallel port (hopefully Amiga etc. too). It can generate ZX video itself, or use the host computer's display, given a suitable driver (like that in existing all- software emulators). The designer has made hardware Spectrum emulators for Memotech and Einstein, so he knows what he's doing. If he could be sure of selling more than a hundred I'm sure he'd manufacture some. > I/O would be emulated in a similar way..... > The only thing is - is there any point when we > can have software emulators on PCs? I suppose > a computer like this would only cost around > 150UKP.... Probably less. It depends on the software, and level of demand. What do YOU think? -- Cheers, Simon N Goodwin, simon@studio.woden.com AKA simon@silicon.studio.co.uk Spectrum, Sam Coupe, Sinclair QL, CST Thor and Amiga 4000 enthusiast From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 4 08:20:31 1996 Subject: Re: Web pages.... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 08:19:10 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: from "Tim Paveley" at Oct 3, 96 03:03:37 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <96Oct4.081930+0100_met.145482-2724+84@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 334 Lines: 13 > > Just ran a linker checker on the scrapbook, and the following pages came > out bad... > > Some pretty famous ones too! > > Anyone want to tell me if they know where they have moved to? > Mine's still valid - it's just that the machine it's on is being upgraded to a smarter, faster, much more flashy one this week... Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 4 09:50:25 1996 Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 04:49:00 -0400 From: FormatPub@aol.com Message-Id: <961004044859_118188369@emout03.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Web pages.... - Reply - Reply - Reply Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 166 Lines: 7 No, No, No.... Please don't over-enhance the web pages. Keep um simple so they download quick, then more people will wait to actually 'read' what is on them. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 4 10:39:51 1996 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 10:17:16 +0100 From: Dan Doore To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Web pages.... Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 552 Lines: 16 > No, No, No.... > > Please don't over-enhance the web pages. Keep um simple so they download > quick,then more people will wait to actually 'read' what is on them. Whoa! hold you horses! The point is that you don't have to have a thousand animated GIFs or huge Java scrollies all over the place to make a 'better' web page, but a little 'enhancement' would stop them looking like the Lynx pages from hell. The Web has evolved into a *graphical* medium after all - besides, if you don't like the images, just click off the auto-loading ;) Dan. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 4 12:53:53 1996 Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 12:12:57 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9610041112.AA03985@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Web pages.... X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1044 Lines: 22 > Whoa! hold you horses! The point is that you don't have to have a thousand > animated GIFs or huge Java scrollies all over the place to make a 'better' web page, > but a little 'enhancement' would stop them looking like the Lynx pages from hell. Use 'enchancements' with care. More often than not they either a) obscures the information that the author wants to present, b) is incompatible with everything else there is of browsers except browser X on platform y with a*b*c graphical resolution.... > > The Web has evolved into a *graphical* medium after all - besides, if you don't like > the images, just click off the auto-loading ;) The Web is first and foremost a information medium - that's what it was designed for. It was never intended for graphics. This part has sneaked in, but that does not make it necessary to have graphics on a page to make it readable. I think that the pages _you_ find most informative and usefull contains a minimum of graphics compared to some other pages. -Frode PS: Dan, your lines are too long. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 4 13:32:53 1996 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <16386.199610041209@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Back again To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 13:09:42 +0100 (BST) Cc: #@csv.warwick.ac.uk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 97 Lines: 4 Okay, I'm back again... and able to take an interest in the thread on Web pages as well! Paul W From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 4 13:32:53 1996 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: Edinburgh Uni (CS and MATHS) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 13:13:17 +0000 Subject: Hiyall Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-Id: <35FCDC661DA@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 224 Lines: 7 Riiiiight - 452 new messages. Just got back to uni,y'see, after failing to unsubscribe like a total tosser. I just deleted them all, anyone instead like to summarise anything good that happened since around June? daveee From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 4 13:49:50 1996 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 13:36:48 +0100 From: Dan Doore To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Web pages.... - Reply Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2202 Lines: 52 > Use 'enchancements' with care. More often than not they either a) > obscures the information that the author wants to present, b) is > incompatible with everything else there is of browsers > except browser X on platform y with a*b*c graphical resolution.... True, but I just said that there was nothing implied about going overboard on this issue, I couldn't agree more that too much is twice as bad as too little. > > The Web has evolved into a *graphical* medium after all - besides, if > > you don't like the images, just click off the auto-loading ;) > The Web is first and foremost a information medium - that's what it > was designed for. It was never intended for graphics. That's why I chose my words carefully - it has *evolved* from the old line-browser days. > This part has sneaked in, but that does not make it necessary to > have graphics on a page to make it readable. I never said it would. The readability of a page comes down to the design of the page, a page of heavy text is just as unreadable as one peppered with little icons and graphics and little-running-dog-gifs. I think that a nicely designed page can be *complimented* by graphics and a bit of thought to aesthetics, regardless of what it contains 'textually' (is that a word?) > I think that the pages _you_ find most informative and useful contains > a minimum of graphics compared to some other pages. I'm not about to do a survey of my bookmarks, but I doubt the ratio of graphics on a page relates much to the usefulness of what is on it. True, lots of pages have too many graphics on them, also, lot's of pages are huge blocks of texts which is like wading through a dictionary. As with just about everything, a balance needs to be struck which is where a bit of savvy is required. > PS: Dan, your lines are too long. Yeah, tell me about it, this mailer is so piss poor that not only do I have no reply text, but the text gets shot around something awful with missing CRs, extra CRs, truncated lines, missing spaces and all sorts of crap. Basically, I've no idea how it's going to come out the other end - it's a case of "WYSI-never-WYG" :) I'd happily go back to Pine if I had the chance. Dan. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 4 15:49:29 1996 Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 15:45:28 +0100 From: D.M.Zambonini@cs.cf.ac.uk (D M Zambonini) Message-Id: <199610041445.PAA06301@igraine.cs.cf.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: I'm back..... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Md5: dxMbSIF1sIcjVkvSmT22/A== Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 177 Lines: 11 Hi there.... Just to say that I have returned... Oh, what was Mnemodemo2 like btw? I haven't seen it yet... :) DMZ --- Up soon: http://www.cs.cf.ac.uk/User/D.M.Zambonini/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 4 17:00:33 1996 Message-Id: <01BBB21D.B990F060@kab039.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: "'Sam-users@nvg.unit.no'" Cc: "'#@csv.warwick.ac.uk'" <#@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: RJV Graphics Online Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 17:59:00 +-100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 87 Lines: 4 Hello to all Sam users from this day on I am on the net. Email is [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 4 19:59:00 1996 Message-Id: <01BBB236.BC19B4C0@kab138.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: "'Sam-users@nvg.unit.no'" Cc: "'#@csv.warwick.ac.uk'" <#@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: AW: RJV Graphics Online Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 20:58:02 +-100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 347 Lines: 16 Don't worry about the spooling mastikes, ahem ---------- Van: Robert van der Veeke[SMTP:RJV.Veeke.NL.Sam.Coupe@caiw.nl] Verzonden: Friday, October 04, 1996 6:59 PM Aan: 'Sam-users@nvg.unit.no' CC: '#@csv.warwick.ac.uk' Onderwerp: RJV Graphics Online Hello to all Sam users from this day on I am on the net. Email is [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 4 20:00:21 1996 Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 14:59:16 -0400 From: FormatPub@aol.com Message-Id: <961004145916_118488551@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Comp Vid Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 809 Lines: 26 On 01/10/96 at 22:14:45 gommerd@mail.interpac.be (David Gommeren) wrote: >..... >If I only have analogue RGB video (no TV, composite) what do I need? > >David Gommeren >(gommerd@interpac.be) Two problems can cause loss of both TV and Comp Vid signal. The first is the 1377 Vid chip - common, but not as connon as the second which is the lose of the +12v line from the power supply. The 1377 chip is, so I'm told, the only thing on SAM that uses the +12v and if it goes down then the rest of the machine, including the RGB, works OK. So, why was the 1377 used when there is a 5v only version of the same chip? Because Bruce Gordon had lots of them recovered from the old Amstrad power supplies he purchased to use with SAM. And given his upbringing, Bruce was not one to throw away a good chip. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 4 21:55:27 1996 Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 20:44:57 GMT Message-Id: <199610042044.UAA03707@pipe1.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Colin A & Elite... From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (The Boss) Cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Pipeuser: samsboss X-Pipehub: uk.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (The Boss) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 503 Lines: 22 On Oct 03, 1996 15:03:08, 'ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe)' wrote: >> Ah question, how do I change my Email address on this mailing >> list? > >Unsubscribe your old one and resubscribe your new one (to >sam-users-request@nvg.unit.no). > >> Got to go and get my loan...bye > >Don't spend it all on drugs. ;) > >-Frode -- I go on holiday for a week and look what happens... They start talking about drugs... It will be women and sex next (I hope).. Samsboss The One And Only From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 4 21:55:28 1996 Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 20:48:06 GMT Message-Id: <199610042048.UAA03815@pipe1.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SAM version of ELITE - More Info Please From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (The Boss) Cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Pipeuser: samsboss X-Pipehub: uk.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (The Boss) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 204 Lines: 7 Lots of messages about Elite. Excuse dummy, but what is Elite? I thought it was the name of the new version of SAM. Anyway. If its a new game for SAM, giv'me now. I want. Samsboss The One And Only From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sat Oct 5 09:58:03 1996 Date: Sat, 05 Oct 1996 09:03:26 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <18296@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Web pages.... X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 761 Lines: 25 In message Dan Doore writes: > > No, No, No.... > > > > Please don't over-enhance the web pages. Keep um simple so they download > > quick,then more people will wait to actually 'read' what is on them. > > Whoa! hold you horses! The point is that you don't have to have a thousand > animated GIFs or huge Java scrollies all over the place to make a 'better' web page, > but a little 'enhancement' would stop them looking like the Lynx pages from hell. > > The Web has evolved into a *graphical* medium after all - besides, if you don't like > the images, just click off the auto-loading ;) > > Dan. > > > > I will only use a web site that can be navigated by a text browser, so think on... Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sat Oct 5 18:31:17 1996 Message-Id: From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale) Subject: usr To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 18:30:16 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 377 Lines: 10 I haven't got my manual with me at the moment.... can anyone remind me how to return a value with the USR() function. Is it in bc? I haven't used my SAM in ages, and I was programming it today, and I couldn't quite beleve that it wouldn't let me have integer variables such as a% and b% etc... Am I going mad in thinking I used to be able to have variables like this?!! -ANdy From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sun Oct 6 11:31:05 1996 Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 06:28:12 -0400 From: FormatPub@aol.com Message-Id: <961006062810_537607067@emout03.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SAM version of ELITE - More Info Please Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 712 Lines: 24 In a message dated 04/10/96 20:55:49, you write: >Subj: Re: SAM version of ELITE - More Info Please >Date: 04/10/96 20:55:49 >From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (The Boss) >Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no >Reply-to: sam-users@nvg.unit.no >To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > >Lots of messages about Elite. Excuse dummy, but what is Elite? I thought it >was the name of the new version of SAM. > >Anyway. If its a new game for SAM, giv'me now. I want. > >Samsboss >The One And Only Elite is not just a game, it is more a way of life. Way back in 1983 I purchased a BBC'b' just so I could play Elite. A mix of shoot-um-up, trading, planning and hard work, it will keep anyone going for months, even years. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sun Oct 6 18:40:49 1996 Subject: Re: usr In-Reply-To: (from sam-users@nvg.unit.no) (on Sat, 05 Oct 96 18:30:16) X-Mailer: ADMail version 1.04 (c) 1995 S.T.Brown From: simon@studio.woden.com Date: Sun, 6 Oct 96 15:53:30 Message-Id: <19961006.7AE4370.E54B@studio.woden.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1185 Lines: 28 Greetings, Andrew. > I haven't got my manual with me at the moment.... > can anyone remind me how to return a value with > the USR() function. Is it in bc? Always was, on the Spectrum. Same on SAM too, according to Technical Manual v3. The '(l)user guide' doesn't say. > I haven't used my SAM in ages, and I was programming > it today, and I couldn't quite beleve that it wouldn't > let me have integer variables such as a% and b% etc... > Am I going mad in thinking I used to be able to > have variables like this?!! > -ANdy Yes, you're mad :-) That is Microsoft BASIC, and a feature derived from DEC BASIC on PDP-11s etc. (like much of MBASIC). The only Sinclair related machine with per cent suffixed integer variables is QL SuperBASIC. And just like 6502 Microsoft BASICs, it worked *slower* with those than real (sic) floating point variables as it coerced values back and forth to FP whenever it used them. So you're not missing anything. SAM, like ZX BASIC, keeps integers in the range +/- 65535 in whole-number format internally anyway, though it still uses five bytes for each variable. -- Cheers, Simon N Goodwin, simon@studio.woden.com AKA simon@silicon.studio.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sun Oct 6 22:15:25 1996 Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 21:05:35 GMT Message-Id: <199610062105.VAA18517@pipe1.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SAM version of ELITE - More Info Please From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss) Cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Pipeuser: samsboss X-Pipehub: uk.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (Samsboss) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 963 Lines: 36 On Oct 06, 1996 06:28:12, 'FormatPub@aol.com' wrote: >In a message dated 04/10/96 20:55:49, you write: > >>Subj: Re: SAM version of ELITE - More Info Please >>Date: 04/10/96 20:55:49 >>From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (The Boss) >>Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no >>Reply-to: sam-users@nvg.unit.no >>To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > >> >>Lots of messages about Elite. Excuse dummy, but what is Elite? I thought it >>was the name of the new version of SAM. >> >>Anyway. If its a new game for SAM, giv'me now. I want. >> >>Samsboss >>The One And Only > >Elite is not just a game, it is more a way of life. >Way back in 1983 I purchased a BBC'b' just so I could play Elite. >A mix of shoot-um-up, trading, planning and hard work, it will keep anyone >going for months, even years. > >Bob. -- Wooo!!! Someone rich enough to have purchased a BBBC from new. Whered you get the money from Mr Format Man? Samsboss The One And Only From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Oct 7 00:39:19 1996 Message-Id: <9610062338.AA12760@mars.cableol.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Neil Maynard To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 00:41:58 +0000 Subject: Simcoupe X-Confirm-Reading-To: "Neil Maynard" X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 303 Lines: 11 Any news on a Floppy disk version of Simcoupe for all us sad people running MS Dos/Windows ? Neil Maynard +-------------------------------+ |Neil Maynard | |E-Mail: mne2@cableol.co.uk | +-------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Oct 7 00:43:07 1996 Message-Id: <199610062342.BAA19161@dxmint.cern.ch> From: Allan Skillman Subject: Re: Simcoupe To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 7 Oct 96 1:42:04 METDST In-Reply-To: <9610062338.AA12760@mars.cableol.net>; from "Neil Maynard" at Oct 7, 96 12:41 (midnight) Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 905 Lines: 20 Hello, Hmm - Who hsan't visited the my XCoupe homepage recently :) Its ready for downloading! - Just get hold of two fresh and formatted floppies and point your browser at teh address below (and follow the first link! Allan -- +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Now available! XCoupe, the one and only SAM Coupe emulator | | *** http://www.hep.ucl.ac.uk/~ajs/xcoupe *** | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ | Allan Skillman | "There are five flavours of resons, the | | HEPP Group | elementary particles of magic : up, down, | | University College London | sideways, sex-appeal and peppermint." | | Email : ajs@hep.ucl.ac.uk | - Terry Pratchett (Lords and Ladies) | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Oct 7 08:13:22 1996 Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 08:13:21 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9610070713.AA05304@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Simcoupe X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 320 Lines: 13 > > > Hello, > > Hmm - Who hsan't visited the my XCoupe homepage recently :) Its > ready for downloading! - Just get hold of two fresh and formatted > floppies and point your browser at teh address below (and follow the > first link! They have been uploaded to ftp.nvg.unit.no at /pub/sam-coupe/simcoupe. -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Oct 7 10:41:04 1996 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 15:00:34 +0100 From: Dan Doore To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Drinking and mailing causes bounces... Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 333 Lines: 16 I trawl through my old mail files has revealed why I was still subscribed in Leeds, I think it could have had something to do with the 5 pints of Cafferys I had at my lunchtime leaving bash. See if you can spot it :)) Dan. From: Doore, Dan [MIS] To: Majordomo Date: 13 September 1996 16:13 unsubscibe sam-users From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Oct 7 11:13:47 1996 Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 11:11:56 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@fermat.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Simcoupe In-Reply-To: <9610062338.AA12760@mars.cableol.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 921 Lines: 21 On Mon, 7 Oct 1996, Neil Maynard wrote: > Any news on a Floppy disk version of Simcoupe for all us sad people > running MS Dos/Windows ? Erm.. Hi.. First time mailing to this.. Hope I got the 'Reply to:' bits right.. I've heard that there is supposed to be a DOS SAM emulator around.. Any news on that? As for the Linux Simcoupe, can it be run from those two bootable disks that I heard about on a Doublespaced drive? Not all of us can afford HUGE 1000meg disks... (and i can't really get rid of any of the DOS stuff...) -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Don't take life so seriously, | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | you'll never survive it! | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | - (C) CamLoRTS 1996 | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Oct 7 14:38:58 1996 From: Alfonso Anderton Organization: HSH, University of Nottingham To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 14:36:55 GMT0BST Subject: Re: Colin A & Elite... Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <3CD28D47A1@hhn1.hughall.nottingham.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 267 Lines: 11 > Is Anderton on the Mailing list yet? > > Diggory Indeed, I am back. Although I do want to know which smart-arse denied my plea to unsubscribe at the end of last term and left me to sort through hundreds of messages. I'll kill you all, dammit. Love, Colin A From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Oct 7 15:49:50 1996 Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 16:48:19 +0200 (MET DST) From: Ben Versteeg Subject: Re: RJV Graphics Online In-Reply-To: <01BBB21D.B990F060@kab039.caiw.nl> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-Id: <199610071448.QAA18293@charm.il.ft.hse.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 686 Lines: 17 > Hello to all Sam users from this day on I am on the net. > > Email is [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Hi Robert ! Sorry I was not able to join the Sinclair-users day last saturday :( Good luck on the Net ! :) -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Inner Products Holland _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/ Ben Versteeg _/ _/_/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ ben@il.ft.hse.nl _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ www.il.ft.hse.nl/~ben _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Oct 7 16:18:57 1996 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 16:04:09 +0100 From: Dan Doore To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Web pages.... - Reply Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 380 Lines: 16 > > The Web has evolved into a *graphical* medium after all - besides, > > if you don't like the images, just click off the auto-loading ;) > > Dan. > > I will only use a web site that can be navigated by a text browser, so think on... > My Doc Text That's the way to do it! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ :) Dan From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Oct 7 16:20:09 1996 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 16:12:00 +0100 From: DeLonghairhaiwish Doore To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Colin A & Elite... - Reply Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 387 Lines: 17 > Indeed, I am back. Although I do want to know which smart-arse > denied my plea to unsubscribe at the end of lastterm and left me > to sort through hundreds of messages. I'll kill you all, dammit. Possibilites Mr Anderton: 1. It was 'smart-arse'. Now you *can't* be talking about that fine man Mr Arnt :)) 2. You did what I did and was too pissed to type straight. Dan. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Oct 7 16:21:52 1996 Message-Id: <199610071612.RAA00557@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: RJV Graphics Online Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 17:13:39 +0100 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BBB472.E1F19D00" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 952 Lines: 29 Dit is een meerdelig bericht in MIME-indeling. ------=_NextPart_000_01BBB472.E1F19D00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- > Van: Ben Versteeg > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Onderwerp: Re: RJV Graphics Online > Datum: Monday, October 07, 1996 3:48 PM > > Hi Robert ! > Sorry I was not able to join the Sinclair-users day last saturday :( > > Good luck on the Net ! :) > Its a shame you wasn't there, Edwin Blink was there, and he had (or is it has) as usual one of his smart things with him. A small (nothing new here) device that should fit onto the seccond disk-connector, and from there on you would hook up a HD, the whole thing is so small that the interface and the HD would fit into the Sam. It aint finished yet but it looks great. Stefan if you are reading this, will you be in 'Voorburg' on 9 oct. 1996 ------=_NextPart_000_01BBB472.E1F19D00-- [rubbish deleted] From imc Mon Oct 7 16:51:34 1996 Subject: Re: RJV Graphics Online To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 16:51:34 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <199610071612.RAA00557@mailserv.caiw.nl> from "Robert van der Veeke" at Oct 7, 96 05:13:39 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 454 Lines: 17 On Mon, 7 Oct 1996 17:13:39 +0100, Robert van der Veeke said: > Dit is een meerdelig bericht in MIME-indeling. Cool, I thought that part only came in English... :-) [an article] > Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="Edwin1.gif" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 > Content-Description: Edwin1 (Corel PHOTO-PAINT 6.0 Beeld) > Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Edwin1.gif" [rubbish deleted] what on earth was all that about? imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Oct 7 17:23:58 1996 Message-Id: <199610071721.SAA06759@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: RJV Graphics Online Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 18:21:33 +0100 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 871 Lines: 30 ---------- > Van: Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Onderwerp: Re: RJV Graphics Online > Datum: Monday, October 07, 1996 4:51 PM > > On Mon, 7 Oct 1996 17:13:39 +0100, Robert van der Veeke said: > > Dit is een meerdelig bericht in MIME-indeling. > > Cool, I thought that part only came in English... :-) > > [an article] > > > Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="Edwin1.gif" > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 > > Content-Description: Edwin1 (Corel PHOTO-PAINT 6.0 Beeld) > > Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Edwin1.gif" > > [rubbish deleted] > > what on earth was all that about? > > imc What that means, no pictures I guess, I put two pictures from Edwin blink on the latest letter, but I think they are a bit lost know. mmmmh? I only have my modem and internetconnection for two weeks now, so have patience. From imc Mon Oct 7 17:32:41 1996 Subject: Re: RJV Graphics Online To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 17:32:41 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <199610071721.SAA06759@mailserv.caiw.nl> from "Robert van der Veeke" at Oct 7, 96 06:21:33 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 440 Lines: 9 On Mon, 7 Oct 1996 18:21:33 +0100, Robert van der Veeke said: > What that means, no pictures I guess, I put two pictures from Edwin blink > on the latest letter, but I think they are a bit lost know. mmmmh? I only > have my modem and internetconnection for two weeks now, so have patience. Oh no, they were there alright. But what I wanted to know was WHY? This is a text-only discussion group. Cue Brian to say "NO BINARIES!"... imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Oct 7 17:56:07 1996 Message-Id: <199610071754.SAA09863@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: OK no more pictures (screen$) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 18:55:36 +0100 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 353 Lines: 15 ---------- > Van: Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Onderwerp: Re: RJV Graphics Online > Datum: Monday, October 07, 1996 5:32 PM > > Oh no, they were there alright. But what I wanted to know was WHY? This is > a text-only discussion group. Cue Brian to say "NO BINARIES!"... > > imc Message understood no more pictures. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Oct 7 23:11:44 1996 Message-Id: <9610072210.AA18601@mars.cableol.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Neil Maynard To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 23:14:10 +0000 Subject: Re: Simcoupe X-Confirm-Reading-To: "Neil Maynard" X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 669 Lines: 22 > > Hello, > > Hmm - Who hsan't visited the my XCoupe homepage recently :) Its > ready for downloading! - Just get hold of two fresh and formatted > floppies and point your browser at teh address below (and follow the > first link! > > Allan > -- > Sorry for not visiting, I haven't long got back from Holiday. Anyway I've got the File and made the disks. Cool, this crappy old PC not looks like a good computer. Thanks Allan and keep up the good work. Neil Maynard +-------------------------------+ |Neil Maynard | |E-Mail: mne2@cableol.co.uk | +-------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Oct 7 23:32:47 1996 Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 01:07:29 +0200 From: David Gommeren Subject: Re: emulator To: Sam List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: David Gommeren, Belgium X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.08] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1303 Lines: 30 On Thu 03 Oct, Andrew M Gale wrote: > It occurs to me that it would be quite possible > to build a computer which could hardware emulate > a range of older computers such as SAM, Spec, BBC, > Oric, C16, Tandys etc... First you'd need a fast > processor (eg a 68000) with video circuitry, and then > you'd have a Z80, a 6502, a chunk of RAM, and some > clever circuitry. Only one 8-bit processor would > operate at any time, and the memory map of the > chunk of RAM connected to it would be configured by the > 68000. ROM images would be loaded into this RAM. > The circuitry would then look out for writes > to particular areas of the z80/6502's memory > map and cause a 68000 interrupt - the 68000 would > then take that data and, in the case of a write > to the 8-bit's video ram area, re-map the data > to its own video RAM in an appropriate manner. > I/O would be emulated in a similar way..... > The only thing is - is there any point when we > can have software emulators on PCs? I suppose > a computer like this would only cost around > 150UKP.... It's much easier. Nowadays you have re-programmable logic arrays (or whatever they are called). In our company we make intelligent IIC controllers with them as well as lots of other goodies at the same time. David Gommeren (gommerd@interpac.be) From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Oct 7 23:33:11 1996 Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 01:18:40 +0200 From: David Gommeren Subject: Re: Comp Vid To: Sam List In-Reply-To: <961004145916_118488551@emout05.mail.aol.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: David Gommeren, Belgium X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.08] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 362 Lines: 12 On Fri 04 Oct, FormatPub@aol.com wrote: > Because Bruce Gordon had lots of them recovered from the old Amstrad power > supplies he purchased to use with SAM. And given his upbringing, Bruce was > not one to throw away a good chip. Was he Dutch or Scottish :)))) Thanks for the information, will check the 12V right away. David Gommeren (gommerd@interpac.be) From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Oct 8 01:00:16 1996 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Dean Liversidge Organization: The Mad House To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 00:44:44 +0000 Subject: confirm reciept Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.32a) Message-Id: <844731979.29874.0@error.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 506 Lines: 10 Opps sorry, missed deleting the confirm reading messages, cant remember who there for, but can you please turn off you request for confirmation whoever it is. -- Dean Liversidge .__ . , Co-Sysop of Dalmation BBS | \ _.|._ _ _.-+-* _ ._ The First SAM Bulletin Board |__/(_]|[ | )(_] | |(_)[ ) Saturday 12:00pm till midnight. >>>>>>> +44 1744 614150 >>>>>> Sysop: Dave Whitmore From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Oct 8 02:18:01 1996 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Dean Liversidge Organization: The Mad House To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 00:41:33 +0000 Subject: Re: Simcoupe Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.32a) Message-Id: <844731726.29062.0@error.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1413 Lines: 37 > Hmm - Who hsan't visited the my XCoupe homepage recently :) Its > ready for downloading! - Just get hold of two fresh and formatted > floppies and point your browser at teh address below (and follow the > first link! > | Now available! XCoupe, the one and only SAM Coupe emulator > | | *** http://www.hep.ucl.ac.uk/~ajs/xcoupe *** I've been there, and i can get the souce file for sim coupe, thats easy. But it would be nice if there was actually a link to the .ZIP file for the boot disk.................... ######################
o Information

Clicking on the link below will down load a 1.8Mb PKZip file which unzips to two teledisk .td0 files :

  • simcboot.td0 : The Linux boot disk
  • simcroot.td0 : the Linux root disk
Using TELEDISK, write these files out to two fresh 1.44Mb floppy disks. (Mark them boot and root repectively). Place the boot disk in the drive and reset your machine. ###################### thanks for the nvg address, got it now. -- Dean Liversidge .__ . , Co-Sysop of Dalmation BBS | \ _.|._ _ _.-+-* _ ._ The First SAM Bulletin Board |__/(_]|[ | )(_] | |(_)[ ) Saturday 12:00pm till midnight. >>>>>>> +44 1744 614150 >>>>>> Sysop: Dave Whitmore From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Oct 8 08:25:34 1996 Subject: Re: emulator To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 08:22:52 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: from "David Gommeren" at Oct 7, 96 01:07:29 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <96Oct8.082312+0100_met.145513-4855+79@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 427 Lines: 11 > It's much easier. Nowadays you have re-programmable logic arrays (or > whatever they are called). In our company we make intelligent IIC > controllers with them as well as lots of other goodies at the same time. > > David Gommeren Field Programmable Gate Arrays - aka MACH logic chips. Nice beasties, but not for the hobbyist - set-up costs would be way too high - at least 2000UKP for one to program the thing... Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Oct 8 09:28:25 1996 Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 08:29:46 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <18373@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Web pages.... - Reply X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 601 Lines: 26 In message Dan Doore writes: > > > The Web has evolved into a *graphical* medium after all - besides, > > > if you don't like the images, just click off the auto-loading ;) > > > Dan. > > > > I will only use a web site that can be navigated by a text browser, so think on... > > > > My Doc Text > > That's the way to do it! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > :) > > Dan > > > I have no idea what this means and where to rnter it! Suddenly ftp looks so user friendly.... Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Oct 8 09:29:20 1996 Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 08:33:50 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <18374@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: RJV Graphics Online X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2092 Lines: 49 In message <199610071612.RAA00557@mailserv.caiw.nl> "Robert van der Veeke" writes: > Dit is een meerdelig bericht in MIME-indeling. > > ------=_NextPart_000_01BBB472.E1F19D00 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > ---------- > > Van: Ben Versteeg > > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > > Onderwerp: Re: RJV Graphics Online > > Datum: Monday, October 07, 1996 3:48 PM > > > > Hi Robert ! > > Sorry I was not able to join the Sinclair-users day last saturday :( > > > > Good luck on the Net ! :) > > > Its a shame you wasn't there, Edwin Blink was there, and he had (or is it > has) as usual one of his smart things with him. A small (nothing new here) > device that should fit onto the seccond disk-connector, and from there on > you would hook up a HD, the whole thing is so small that the interface and > the HD would fit into the Sam. It aint finished yet but it looks great. > > Stefan if you are reading this, will you be in 'Voorburg' on 9 oct. 1996 > ------=_NextPart_000_01BBB472.E1F19D00 > Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="Edwin1.gif" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 > Content-Description: Edwin1 (Corel PHOTO-PAINT 6.0 Beeld) > Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Edwin1.gif" > > R0lGODdhAAHAALMAAAAAAAAAgABAwACAwIAAAMAAAMBAAMCAAMDAAACAAADAAOAgoIBAQGBgYKCg > oODg4CwAAAAAAAHAAAAE/pDI1maVOFObO9nf5XHhiIGgiYrjapJpe8We+9rqzNb6W/45UhAo4xk7 > NKLwtFM6k9Bm9KiRWqlM7HL7vCK9VW03fOuVueRkurn24YrO9jmepcPYdXUef3ebg3xfPmSDdoKF > hoSDemJDhYyHj4GKfoiJJ4ZvR5Cah5x/cJ9oe5WZoJuBnXJDoqaUY5F1r1OxXLSzYLK6trm8Yre7 > sLi/eKqkc63Jqaeey6N9yM6u08ql1YuTwY7YlpCv26WS3dnPtXPiiN7azdbS16zu8e3z0fTw9qHy > 9XDD5sC+/noJC/ZvIMB+CAkKLMiQxbt8+FBFZLfvXkWIEhxodHDMokeM/h+NkLtU7hs/bulGqiu5 > zsjGlzBJylw5UyU1fSEp5lwFsqfEMhopwIQp1MHDnzs7nmxIrGlApwkPKoTKZGjRl1c3Mn3KNSod > Y9CShvWpkyxPpPmGYm0QlK3atuXA/jhaFtw5lOjy4t0bji/Qt0TdAtaqsvC4wyjpnq3LeLFjpWh5 > tB1cNKtVt4ohN9YstbPBz1u9hp765bLpwKfXUvU8eknmsZE3w5Y9F2dawJUFq81Nmdnj2b9LGE6J What happened to the ban on binaries on here we agreed some time ago? Just reminding... Brian From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Oct 8 10:01:24 1996 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 10:00:05 +0100 From: Dan Doore To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Web pages.... - Reply - Reply Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 468 Lines: 15 > > > My Doc Text > > I have no idea what this means and where to rnter it! This is an HTML chunk that shows the use of ALTernative text when the browser cannot display images and the graphic itself is a hypertext link. It's what all good HTMLers should do so that the Lynx pods don't get pages with [IMAGE] all over the place. > Suddenly ftp looks so user friendly.... But FTP *is* user friendly :))) Dan. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Oct 8 10:04:11 1996 Message-Id: <199610081002.LAA17829@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: Sorry Brain Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 11:03:15 +0100 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 679 Lines: 28 ---------- > Van: Brian Gaff Sam Dept. > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Onderwerp: Re: RJV Graphics Online > Datum: Tuesday, October 08, 1996 9:33 AM > > In message <199610071612.RAA00557@mailserv.caiw.nl> "Robert van der Veeke" writes: > > Dit is een meerdelig bericht in MIME-indeling. > > > > ------=_NextPart_000_01BBB472.E1F19D00 > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > What happened to the ban on binaries on here we agreed some time > ago? > > Just reminding... > > Brian Sorry Brain, but me is new stranger in town here. I won't happen again. Robert van der Veeke (aka RJV Graphics) From imc Tue Oct 8 11:49:51 1996 Subject: Re: SAM version of ELITE - More Info - Reply To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 11:49:51 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Andrew M Gale" at Oct 3, 96 00:05:50 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 232 Lines: 7 On Thu, 3 Oct 1996 00:05:50 +0100 (BST), Andrew M Gale said: > the SAM has been around since 1989 and no-one > has bothered yet to re-write Elite No one has yet had permission to rewrite Elite. That might explain it... imc From imc Tue Oct 8 11:55:35 1996 Subject: Re: Web pages.... - Reply - Reply To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 11:55:35 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Tim Paveley" at Oct 3, 96 07:35:56 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 252 Lines: 8 On Thu, 3 Oct 1996 19:35:56 +0100 (BST), Tim Paveley said: > That's a bit more unlikely. Personally I dislike frames/java/vast amounts > of inline pictures. Yep... frames were a big mistake. I hear they didn't make it into the HTML standard. imc From imc Tue Oct 8 12:07:10 1996 Subject: Re: SAM version of ELITE - More Info Please To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 12:07:10 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <199610042048.UAA03815@pipe1.uk.pipeline.com> from "The Boss" at Oct 4, 96 08:48:06 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 201 Lines: 7 On Fri, 4 Oct 1996 20:48:06 GMT, The Boss said: > Anyway. If its a new game for SAM, giv'me now. I want. Not a new game for SAM. An old game for Spectrum with a small disk-loading hack in it. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Oct 8 12:09:17 1996 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 12:07:25 +0100 From: Dan Doore To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Web pages.... - Reply - Reply - Reply Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 394 Lines: 14 > Yep... frames were a big mistake. I hear they didn't make it > into the HTML standard. Like Microsoft and Netscape care. HTML has become the bastard son of itself thanks to these two companies and as far as they are concerned, if their browsers support it, it *is* the standard. It's the old de jure/de facto stuff all over again, and we all know who tends wins that don't we :) Dan. From imc Tue Oct 8 12:16:31 1996 Subject: Delivery Report (failure) for graydj@phymat.ac.uk (fwd) To: sam-users Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 12:16:31 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 400 Lines: 10 > This report relates to your message: Subject: Re: RJV Graphics Online, > Message-ID: <9610071551.AA01451@boothp2.ecs.ox.ac.uk>, > To: graydj@phymat.ac.uk, sam-users@nvg.unit.no > of Mon, 7 Oct 1996 19:41:09 +0100 Not only is someone's mailer broken because it bounced this message, but also someone's mailer broken because it bounced it back to me instead of to the list owner... imc From imc Tue Oct 8 12:20:51 1996 Subject: Re: Web pages.... - Reply - Reply To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 12:20:51 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Dan Doore" at Oct 8, 96 10:00:05 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 428 Lines: 10 On Tue, 08 Oct 1996 10:00:05 +0100, Dan Doore said: > This is an HTML chunk that shows the use of ALTernative text when the > browser cannot display images and the graphic itself is a hypertext link. > It's what all good HTMLers should do so that the Lynx pods don't get > pages with [IMAGE] all over the place. Unless it's just a gratuitous image, in which case I don't think there's much point in making up an ALT tag. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Oct 8 12:22:55 1996 Message-Id: From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale) Subject: Re: SAM version of ELITE - More Info - Reply To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 12:21:49 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <9610081049.AA02389@boothp2.ecs.ox.ac.uk> from "Ian.Collier@comlab.oxford.ac.uk" at Oct 8, 96 11:49:51 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 404 Lines: 9 > > the SAM has been around since 1989 and no-one > > has bothered yet to re-write Elite > No one has yet had permission to rewrite Elite. That might explain it... It might, but that's hardly going to stop someone trying, is it? I don't know, but I'd have thought that most SAM conversions started with someone playing around to see if it was possible before attempting to attain the licence,,,, From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Oct 8 12:34:05 1996 Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 12:34:47 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9610081134.AA07759@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SAM version of ELITE - More Info - Reply X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 508 Lines: 12 > > > No one has yet had permission to rewrite Elite. That might explain it... > > It might, but that's hardly going to stop someone trying, is it? > I don't know, but I'd have thought that most SAM conversions started > with someone playing around to see if it was possible before > attempting to attain the licence,,,, Geee......as I have mentioned about 6 zilion times now, _I_ have tried to land the licence, not extremely enthusiastic, but though. I received av very polite, but firm 'NO!'. -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Oct 8 14:10:05 1996 Message-Id: <325AC2D2.7037@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 14:08:34 -0700 From: MR P R WALKER Organization: Computing Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SAM version of ELITE - More Info - Reply References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 275 Lines: 9 Andrew M Gale wrote: > I don't know, but I'd have thought that most SAM conversions started > with someone playing around to see if it was possible before > attempting to attain the licence,,,, Try asking Chris White... (If he didn't manage to unsubscribe, that is.) Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Oct 8 15:21:10 1996 Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 15:02:33 +0100 From: D.M.Zambonini@cs.cf.ac.uk (D M Zambonini) Message-Id: <199610081402.PAA02500@zitus.cs.cf.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Gimme a ROM image... oh go on. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Md5: gCp6RFcvv2wp6uNkciSccw== Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 595 Lines: 16 Am I alone in thinking that this mailing list has changed somewhat considerably since the same time last year, in terms of both members and content? :) Oh, and I believe that XCoupe could be a hell of a lot better if I could find those darn X11 libraries... In the meantime, does anyone want to risk retribution from on high and send me a copy of the ROM? You all know I've got a SAM - It's just a bit geographically displaced at the moment, and I'm sure you'd all love to see Greylight if I can possibly get around to it.... Cheers. DMZ === don't http://www.cs.cf.ac.uk/User/D.M.Zambonini/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Oct 8 15:21:10 1996 Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 15:16:34 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9610081416.AA08408@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Gimme a ROM image... oh go on. X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 748 Lines: 18 > Am I alone in thinking that this mailing list has changed somewhat > considerably since the same time last year, in terms of both members > and content? :) Well, some new members have cropped up. :) > > Oh, and I believe that XCoupe could be a hell of a lot better if I could > find those darn X11 libraries... In the meantime, does anyone want to > risk retribution from on high and send me a copy of the ROM? You all know > I've got a SAM - It's just a bit geographically displaced at the moment, and > I'm sure you'd all love to see Greylight if I can possibly get around to it.... I can tell you have not been around. The ROM is freely distributable, in fact it's on Allan's xcoupe page. I'll put it on the nvg-site shortly too. -Frode From j.d.teare@uclan.ac.uk Tue Oct 8 18:12:22 1996 From: "j.d.teare" Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: drissen@pi.net, dt94jma2@brunel.ac.uk, geoffw@jumper.mcc.ac.uk, glb2@le.ac.uk, hc1jc@dmu.ac.uk, Ian.Collier@comlab.oxford.ac.uk, L.Willis@comp.brad.ac.uk, pmyljja@hhn1.hughall.nott.ac.uk Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 18:10:49 GMT+0 Subject: The brand new SAMSite... X-Confirm-Reading-To: X-Pmrqc: 1 Return-Receipt-To: "j.d.teare" Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-Id: <1C70D8E5EAC@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Status: RO Content-Length: 611 Lines: 19 drissen@pi.net Hello, Just a quick general note to beg for articles and contributions to put on my new SAMSite. Loads of things are catered for - it's going to have all the back issues of SAM2SAM text files and stuff like that - and if people could help me out with ideas, articles, quick letters - anything, then I'd be most greatful. Anything SAMish will do, or stuff on Queen (the band), Doctor Who, Manchester UNited, the Isle of Man, Jokes etc. Any contact would be great - and if you would be so good as to pass my EMail address around, I'd be much gratified. Cheers, Johnna (j.d.teare@uclan.ac.uk) From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Oct 8 18:21:21 1996 X-Warning: Assuming character set ISO 8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Diso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: emulator In-Reply-To: <96Oct8.082312+0100_met.145513-4855+79@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> (from sam-users@nvg.unit.no) (on Tue, 08 Oct 96 08:22:52) X-Mailer: ADMail version 1.04 (c) 1995 S.T.Brown From: simon@studio.woden.com Date: Tue, 8 Oct 96 14:25:31 Message-Id: <19961008.7A630F0.D0E6@studio.woden.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1257 Lines: 28 Greetings, Simon. > > It's much easier. Nowadays you have re-programmable logic arrays (o= r > > whatever they are called). In our company we make intelligent IIC > > controllers with them as well as lots of other goodies at the same = time. > >=20 > > David Gommeren >=20 > Field Programmable Gate Arrays - aka MACH logic chips. Nice beasties,= but=20 > not for the hobbyist - set-up costs would be way too high - at least=20 > 2000UKP for one to program the thing... >=20 > Simon Mach is hardly the only (or ideal) option. For instance you can use Xilinx FPGAs or Flexlogic (formerly Intel, now Altera) and program with a home-made cable from a PC (spit!) serial port. The software costs =A3100 or so, and if you ask nicely you may be able to get the 'last' version for free, like some developers I've met. Total entry cost perhaps a couple of hundred quid, and they're flash programmable so you can keep re-programming your prototype chip till you get it right. Sorry if this is getting a bit off-topic, but the Z80 add-on co-processor for parallel ports comes with an FPGA made just this way. I think the required software is PLDShell, but haven't got it myself. -- Cheers, Simon N Goodwin, simon@studio.woden.com AKA simon@silicon.studi= o.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Oct 8 18:36:44 1996 Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 13:35:34 -0400 From: FormatPub@aol.com Message-Id: <961008133533_205116411@emout18.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Gimme a ROM image... oh go on. Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 431 Lines: 11 May I remind people that the SAM Coupe/Elite ROM is copyright - not freely distributable. The only part of the SAM system code that is allowed to be used is the SAMDOS file which can be used by software/disczine people because it makes life easier for people when they get their disc in the post. However, provided it is for use with a development copy of the SAM Coupe Emulator. I will, in this instance, turn a blind eye. Bob From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Oct 8 18:40:57 1996 Message-Id: <199610081739.TAA12682@dxmint.cern.ch> From: Allan Skillman Subject: Re: Gimme a ROM image... oh go on. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 8 Oct 96 19:39:52 METDST In-Reply-To: <961008133533_205116411@emout18.mail.aol.com>; from "FormatPub@aol.com" at Oct 8, 96 1:35 pm Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 901 Lines: 20 Hello Bob (and all), As far as I knew the copyright on the ROMs belongs to Andy Wright. I have had his permission to distribute the ROM images with the emulator. I do agree that this should be the only use. regards Allan -- +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Now available! XCoupe, the one and only SAM Coupe emulator | | *** http://www.hep.ucl.ac.uk/~ajs/xcoupe *** | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ | Allan Skillman | "There are five flavours of resons, the | | HEPP Group | elementary particles of magic : up, down, | | University College London | sideways, sex-appeal and peppermint." | | Email : ajs@hep.ucl.ac.uk | - Terry Pratchett (Lords and Ladies) | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Tue Oct 8 18:47:33 1996 From: "j.d.teare" Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no, sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 18:44:11 GMT+0 Subject: Re: WCC X-Confirm-Reading-To: X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-Id: <1C7A7A704FA@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 211 Lines: 5 Can somebody please tell me who the hell West Coast Computers really are? Come on Bob, you're obviously observing this conversation with eager wit - let the cat out of the bag. Johnna (j.d.teare@uclan.ac.uk) From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 9 08:52:36 1996 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 07:47:40 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9610090647.AA08717@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Gimme a ROM image... oh go on. X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 659 Lines: 16 > May I remind people that the SAM Coupe/Elite ROM is copyright - not freely > distributable. > > The only part of the SAM system code that is allowed to be used is the SAMDOS > file which can be used by software/disczine people because it makes life > easier for people when they get their disc in the post. > > However, provided it is for use with a development copy of the SAM Coupe > Emulator. I will, in this instance, turn a blind eye. I might have been unclear. The context was the emulator and as far as I know Allan has got the permission to distribute the ROMs with the emulator from Dr. Wright. And that should be the only use, agreed. -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 9 08:54:56 1996 Subject: Re: emulator To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 08:37:38 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <19961008.7A630F0.D0E6@studio.woden.com> from "simon@studio.woden.com" at Oct 8, 96 02:25:31 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <96Oct9.084907+0100_met.145539-26247+20@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1059 Lines: 20 > Mach is hardly the only (or ideal) option. For instance you can use > Xilinx FPGAs or Flexlogic (formerly Intel, now Altera) and program > with a home-made cable from a PC (spit!) serial port. The software > costs =A3100 or so, and if you ask nicely you may be able to get the > 'last' version for free, like some developers I've met. Total entry > cost perhaps a couple of hundred quid, and they're flash programmable > so you can keep re-programming your prototype chip till you get it > right. Sorry if this is getting a bit off-topic, but the Z80 add-on > co-processor for parallel ports comes with an FPGA made just this way. > I think the required software is PLDShell, but haven't got it myself. Ahhhhhh.... well, I know where I can get hold of a copy of PLDShell for you... I'll dig out the address (or stick it on my FTP site if I've still got a copy). As for Total entry cost being only about a couple of qud... ummm... which programmer are you using? Surely you can't just build your own jig and send serial data direct to the FPGA? Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 9 08:54:57 1996 Subject: Re: Gimme a ROM image... oh go on. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 08:41:19 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <961008133533_205116411@emout18.mail.aol.com> from "FormatPub@aol.com" at Oct 8, 96 01:35:34 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <96Oct9.084913+0100_met.145545-26247+21@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 913 Lines: 27 > > May I remind people that the SAM Coupe/Elite ROM is copyright - not freely > distributable. > > The only part of the SAM system code that is allowed to be used is the SAMDOS > file which can be used by software/disczine people because it makes life > easier for people when they get their disc in the post. > > However, provided it is for use with a development copy of the SAM Coupe > Emulator. I will, in this instance, turn a blind eye. > > Bob I think I'd better clarify this: THe ROM is not freely distributable. ROMs can be bought from a number of places, including West Coast, Format and Rooksoft (Who provide a customised ROM with different function keys and personalised start-up messages). As for software distribution, Andy Wright has given Allan permission to distribute the SAM ROM as part of his emulator, free of royalty or reimbursement. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 9 08:54:57 1996 Subject: Re: SAM version of ELITE - More Info - Reply To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 08:42:53 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <325AC2D2.7037@csv.warwick.ac.uk> from "MR P R WALKER" at Oct 8, 96 02:08:34 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <96Oct9.085004+0100_met.145552-26244+24@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 559 Lines: 18 > > Andrew M Gale wrote: > > > I don't know, but I'd have thought that most SAM conversions started > > with someone playing around to see if it was possible before > > attempting to attain the licence,,,, > > Try asking Chris White... (If he didn't manage to unsubscribe, that is.) > > Paul He did - namely because I forged a post for him to do so. Though the moment I dig out his /new/ address, I'll re-subscribe him in. (I've got it somewhere... with his new home address and phone number... bugger... I hope I didn't lose it when I moved). Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 9 08:56:25 1996 Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 08:02:35 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <18415@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: WCC X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 648 Lines: 19 In message <1C7A7A704FA@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> "j.d.teare" writes: > Can somebody please tell me who the hell West Coast Computers really > are? Come on Bob, you're obviously observing this conversation with > eager wit - let the cat out of the bag. > > Johnna (j.d.teare@uclan.ac.uk) > How did you know Bob's cat was the true owner, there must be a mole in the organisation! (Or was that a bird?) As to who owns the ROM... in this computer age it all boils down to bits of printed paper. Personally, I do not care. All I want is a DOS SAM emulator that my screen magnifier on my PC can make mode 3 readable on! Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 9 10:48:14 1996 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 10:46:24 +0100 From: Dan Doore To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Sound Abound! Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 941 Lines: 24 After receiving my sound chip last night (Thanks Bob) I set about ripping my Sam apart to put the new chip in and in half an hour of swearing and wondering whether *that* amount of heat is good news for the resistors it went in and worked! After a quick chorus of 'bugger me!' I set about trawling through all the stuff with sound on it that I have missed out on in the last four months. I wasn't in bed 'til 2am :( One thing I did notice when my Sam was stripped naked was that most of the disc capacitors had leaked some sort of chalky goo onto the PCB, but seem to be fine - any ideas? So, just the video encoder, comedy delete key to replace now :)) Dan. P.S. I've just had a bash with SimCoupe on my P75 and it's looking good, although mode 3 was a bit knackered (the font went insane) but this could have been because it was in VGA mode. I've been playing Yahtzee this morning. Superb. BTW Does Linux cache the floppy drive? From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 9 11:26:18 1996 Subject: Re: Sound Abound! To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 11:21:10 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: from "Dan Doore" at Oct 9, 96 10:46:24 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <96Oct9.112527+0100_met.145478-26244+37@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 911 Lines: 26 > One thing I did notice when my Sam was stripped naked was that most > of the disc capacitors had leaked some sort of chalky goo onto the > PCB, but seem to be fine - any ideas? You could collect the chalk and sell it as a holy relic? > So, just the video encoder, comedy delete key to replace now :)) > > Dan. Keep the delete key - well worth a laugh ;) > P.S. I've just had a bash with SimCoupe on my P75 and it's looking > good, although mode 3 was a bit knackered (the font went insane) but > this could have been because it was in VGA mode. I've been playing > Yahtzee this morning. Superb. I've noticed that with Mode 3 - SimCoupe doesn't like my video hardware (it thinks it's an ET4000 - which it is, but it's a compaq special - and then proceeds to put a really weird screenmode up and show garbage). > BTW Does Linux cache the floppy drive? Yes. Either that or ALlan's code does. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 9 11:32:43 1996 X-Authentication-Warning: dcsun4.comp.brad.ac.uk: lwillis owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 11:31:40 +0100 (BST) From: "Appendixless-boy .." To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 390 Lines: 11 It's good to back at last. Some months ago, I kind of stopped getting mails from this list, and I just assumed it had been disbanded (Silly conclusion to jump to I Know ....!). However now that I've found you again, i've got a question for you all .... Can anyone get XCoupe running under Solaris 2.4 ? All in my humble opinion folks, so don't get _too_ aggro if I've offended ... Lee. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 9 11:38:23 1996 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 11:39:01 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9610091039.AA09131@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 359 Lines: 10 > It's good to back at last. Some months ago, I kind of stopped getting > mails from this list, and I just assumed it had been disbanded (Silly > conclusion to jump to I Know ....!). However now that I've found you > again, i've got a question for you all .... > > Can anyone get XCoupe running under Solaris 2.4 ? Yes, in fact it was rather easy. -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 9 13:57:29 1996 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 13:53:19 +0100 From: D.M.Zambonini@cs.cf.ac.uk (D M Zambonini) Message-Id: <199610091253.NAA04380@zitus.cs.cf.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Eek! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Md5: 2pwj8I6EP0wRo5QqSF9WVg== Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 261 Lines: 10 Ah. I take it that I can get a copy of the ROM, then. Excuse my slowness, but I've been asleep for the last year. :) Oh, and as I understand it, if Bob's cat is running the company then surely this means that it doesn't have to pay any form of tax? DMZ === From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 9 19:55:10 1996 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 18:53:55 GMT Message-Id: <199610091853.SAA05156@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Bob's Cat From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (the boss) X-Pipeuser: samsboss X-Pipehub: uk.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (the boss) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.4.19 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 118 Lines: 4 To all of you who think Bob's cat runs WCC. I think you should know the cat is called 'BANDIT' The one and only. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 9 19:59:01 1996 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:57:55 -0400 From: FormatPub@aol.com Message-Id: <961009145753_206129175@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: The SAM Power Supply Story. Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 4613 Lines: 90 Following a little not about the SAM PSU I have had a couple of direct email messages that have asked for more details. So, you asked for it, here it is. One of the great 'little told' stories of the early days of SAM. It is a bit long - sorry for wasting your time if you are not into the history of SAM - but here goes:- Long, long ago ( well early 1989 to be exact) a young(ish) and gifted computer designer was busy getting his latest creation ready for the big launch. But wait? A computer needs a power supply - where could he get one? A few phone calls later and off he went to visit a nice man who made power supplies. "Yes Mr Gordon, we can build one to your spec, but if you come this way I may have something to interest you." Bruce was taken into the warehouse and there show large (very large) stacks of PSUs made for the Amstrad CPC464 computers. "We can sell you these at a good price" the nice man said to Bruce - and being Scottish, Bruce was hooked. Now these power supplies contained the TV modulator so that the CPC464 could be connected to a normal colour TV and were designed for those people who purchased the mono-screen version of the Amstrad monitor (remember that the 464 came with either a green-screen monitor or a full colour version - each with the power supply for the computer built-in). Well, someone, somewhere, had really overestimated the number of people who were going to buy this lovely external PSU/TV Modulator, and so Bruce Gordon bought the lot. But....................... The TV modulator had no sound. And Bruce's nice new computer (then called 'Some Amazing Machine' by the way) needed sound because it had this nice stereo sound chip that another nice man, this one from Philips, had convinced Bruce would go very well in his new machine. SO....... Much work started. PSUs by the thousand we delivered to a company in South Wales company called Hi-Tech (I think that was how it was spelt) where they were professionally 'reworked' (lots of other were unprofessionally reworked in MGT's Lakeside HQ - including a good few by your's truely). The modulator board was removed and replaced with a board containing a TV modulator with sound modulation build-in. The poer board was altered to allow the +12v to go up to SAM. And the colour encoding chip (the 1377) and most its bits were moved to the main SAM board. All 1377's (and several other componants used on the SAM main board in the early batches) we recovered from the original modulator board. So now a Comp-Vid signal came down the wires from SAM and got modulated within the PSU and then sent to the TV. This led to some degradation of signal but, as Bruce had already purchased the power supplies, he had to live with it. The case tops were sprayed white to match SAM and the DC power supply lead was removed from the unit as Bruce decided to use the signal cable to get the power up to SAM as well as the TV signal down from SAM (bad design move there). Now..... When the SAM power supplies were turned out, they had a VERY high failure rate. So MGT set up a 'soak test' system so that the power output, and more frequently the TV signal output, could be adjusted. This was one reason why the people we warned about the untested PSU that were sold off by the liquidators of Dawnvale Electronics (one of the companies that built SAMs for MGT/SAMCO. I still hear of the odd SAM that gave up the ghost after being connected to one of Dawnvale's PSUs - no wonder SAMCO stopped using the company. Anyway..... That is a condensed version of the story. Most of the expletives that were uttered by so many people as they laboured long and hard to rework the PSUs could not be reprinted here. Nor, sadly, can I give you the REAL cost of Bruce's decision to by the power supplies rather than going for something brand new. But, should your PSU go wrong, just remember this story - and then be amazed that it ever worked in the first place. Bob. p.s. If anyone is interested (in fact if anyone has read this far) the original Amstrad modulator board contained the following:- UM1804 modulator. MC1377P video chip (soldered in). 4.433619 Crystal + several resistors and capacitors. An RGB signal went in, together with +5 and +12, and out came the TV signal. I have a box full of these sub-assemblies which I was given when SAMCO were haing a clearout - "someday, someone will want these I thought", and if anyone would like a couple (no guarantee, no info on which signal goes where) then let me know and we will see what we can do, I've got no use for them - so they may as well go to a good home. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 9 21:08:43 1996 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 19:05:39 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Matthew Bealing Subject: Re: SAM version of ELITE - More Info - Reply In-Reply-To: <9610081134.AA07759@asmal.edh-net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 1.12 <4Y$iumT1nsLh2ZpJ9Q8h4C5dW+> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 142 Lines: 4 Matthew Bealing is presently changing locations. He will be back in contact as soon as possible. -- Chris Bealing From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 9 21:22:36 1996 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 20:21:31 GMT Message-Id: <199610092021.UAA26181@pipe1.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Will the real Samsboss please stand up From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss) Cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Pipeuser: samsboss X-Pipehub: uk.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (Samsboss) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 583 Lines: 20 On Oct 09, 1996 18:53:55, 'samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (the boss)' wrote: >To all of you who think Bob's cat runs WCC. >I think you should know the cat is called 'BANDIT' > >The one and only. -- Someone playing my game? I thought I was the only one on Pipeline. Halt - who goes there - friend or foe - advance and give the password - and it had better be a good one or your life will be forfeit. And I doubt that Bob would have a cat anyway - given his leanings no animal would be safe in his house. Samsboss The One And Only The Real One. Accept no imitations From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 9 21:23:11 1996 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 20:21:38 GMT Message-Id: <199610092021.UAA26191@pipe1.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sound Abound! From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss) Cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Pipeuser: samsboss X-Pipehub: uk.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (Samsboss) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 614 Lines: 17 On Oct 09, 1996 10:46:24, 'Dan Doore ' wrote: >After receiving my sound chip last night (Thanks Bob) I set >about ripping my Sam apart to put the new chip in and in half >an hour of swearing and wondering whether *that* amount of heat >is good news for the resistors it went in and worked! > >After a quick chorus of 'bugger me!' I set about trawling through >all the stuff with sound on it that I have missed out on in the last >four months. I wasn't in bed 'til 2am :( > Does this mean a new SAM repair service will be springing up soon? ;-) Samsboss The One And Only From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 9 21:23:17 1996 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 20:21:35 GMT Message-Id: <199610092021.UAA26185@pipe1.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: No Subject From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss) Cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Pipeuser: samsboss X-Pipehub: uk.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (Samsboss) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 647 Lines: 23 On Oct 09, 1996 11:31:40, '"Appendixless-boy .." ' wrote: >It's good to back at last. Some months ago, I kind of stopped getting >mails from this list, and I just assumed it had been disbanded (Silly >conclusion to jump to I Know ....!). However now that I've found you >again, i've got a question for you all .... > >Can anyone get XCoupe running under Solaris 2.4 ? > >All in my humble opinion folks, so don't get _too_ aggro if I've offended ... > >Lee. > -- Solaris 2.4 - Now was that the Sci-Fi film where the space station was melting as it got to close to the sun? Samsboss The One And Only From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 9 21:23:50 1996 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 20:21:45 GMT Message-Id: <199610092021.UAA26208@pipe1.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Gimme a ROM image... oh go on. From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss) Cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Pipeuser: samsboss X-Pipehub: uk.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (Samsboss) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 819 Lines: 28 On Oct 08, 1996 15:02:33, 'D.M.Zambonini@cs.cf.ac.uk (D M Zambonini)' wrote: > >Am I alone in thinking that this mailing list has changed somewhat >considerably since the same time last year, in terms of both members >and content? :) > >Oh, and I believe that XCoupe could be a hell of a lot better if I could >find those darn X11 libraries... In the meantime, does anyone want to >risk retribution from on high and send me a copy of the ROM? You all know >I've got a SAM - It's just a bit geographically displaced at the moment, and >I'm sure you'd all love to see Greylight if I can possibly get around to >it.... > >Cheers. > >DMZ >=== >don't http://www.cs.cf.ac.uk/User/D.M.Zambonini/ -- Have taken photocopy of my ROM and will send it as soon as I can :-))) Samsboss The One And Only From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 9 21:24:00 1996 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 20:21:40 GMT Message-Id: <199610092021.UAA26199@pipe1.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: WCC From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss) Cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no, sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Pipeuser: samsboss X-Pipehub: uk.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (Samsboss) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 602 Lines: 17 On Oct 08, 1996 18:44:11, '"j.d.teare" ' wrote: >Can somebody please tell me who the hell West Coast Computers really >are? Come on Bob, you're obviously observing this conversation with >eager wit - let the cat out of the bag. > >Johnna (j.d.teare@uclan.ac.uk) -- Have you not seen the adverts for West Coast Computers in several of the big mags and some of the papers - looks like they have moved on to the IBM world and left us behind. Goodby West Coast, enjoy the PC market while you can. Apple will soon take over - Macs forever. Samsboss The One And Only From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 9 21:24:00 1996 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 20:21:43 GMT Message-Id: <199610092021.UAA26203@pipe1.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: RCPT: Re: Simcoupe From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss) Cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Pipeuser: samsboss X-Pipehub: uk.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (Samsboss) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 445 Lines: 23 On Oct 08, 1996 17:04:38, 'Diggory Gray ' wrote: >Confirmation of reading: your message - > >Date: 7 Oct 96 23:14 >To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no >Subject: Re: Simcoupe > >Was read at 17:04, 8 Oct 96. > > >Diggory > >[Internet message] Who wants to know that some twat has read a message - how did this get into the system - my mailbox is full enough as it is. -- Samsboss The One And Only From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 9 22:24:32 1996 Subject: Re: emulator In-Reply-To: <96Oct9.084907+0100_met.145539-26247+20@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> (from sam-users@nvg.unit.no) (on Wed, 09 Oct 96 08:37:38) X-Mailer: ADMail version 1.04 (c) 1995 S.T.Brown From: simon@studio.woden.com Date: Wed, 9 Oct 96 19:29:02 Message-Id: <19961009.7A9FDA8.1127C@studio.woden.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 857 Lines: 20 Greetings, Simon. > Ahhhhhh.... well, I know where I can get hold of a copy of PLDShell for > you... I'll dig out the address (or stick it on my FTP site if I've still > got a copy). > > As for Total entry cost being only about a couple of qud... ummm... which > programmer are you using? Surely you can't just build your own jig and > send serial data direct to the FPGA? I believe you can. It's a four line JTAG interface, which you can drive from almost any parallel port. You only need three lines - select, data and clock - if you are not worried about verification input bits. One 7407 and a few pull-up resistors will do the job. There's a Postscript document floating around saying how to make up the cable for a PC, I'm told, but *you* hardly need that... -- Cheers, Simon N Goodwin, simon@studio.woden.com AKA simon@silicon.studio.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 10 09:36:29 1996 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 08:46:43 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <18474@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: RCPT: Re: Simcoupe X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 439 Lines: 25 In message <5ED011E28C2@novell3.bham.ac.uk> Diggory Gray writes: > Confirmation of reading: your message - > > Date: 7 Oct 96 23:14 > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Subject: Re: Simcoupe > > Was read at 17:04, 8 Oct 96. > > > Diggory > > [Internet message] > Oh no, not again! Brian... PS, how about an up to date list of the subscribers to this list so we know who we are talking to? -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 10 09:47:20 1996 Message-Id: From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale) Subject: Re: The SAM Power Supply Story. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 09:46:14 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <961009145753_206129175@emout05.mail.aol.com> from "FormatPub@aol.com" at Oct 9, 96 02:57:55 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 491 Lines: 11 The story about the SAM power supply is really interesting Bob, but there's one thing I can't quite figure... if the UNF modulator in the Amstrad PSU was no good, then why didn't Bruce include the UM1286 in the main SAM unit? Surely this would have helped with picture quality. Or was the reason that MGT were hoping to release a monitor that would power the SAM via the SCART port and hence not need a modulator? (I seem to recall reading some- thing like that in a magazine once). -Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 10 09:47:52 1996 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 09:45:15 +0100 From: D.M.Zambonini@cs.cf.ac.uk (D M Zambonini) Message-Id: <199610100845.JAA00798@zitus.cs.cf.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Gimme a ROM image... oh go on. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Md5: 7HGwUYzxHR5tc4ctoSLZFQ== Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 425 Lines: 13 > >find those darn X11 libraries... In the meantime, does anyone want to > >risk retribution from on high and send me a copy of the ROM? You all know > >I've got a SAM - It's just a bit geographically displaced at the moment, > Have taken photocopy of my ROM and will send it as soon as I can :-))) > Ah. Would that be colour or black and white? I've only got access to a monochrome scanner, you see... :) DMZ === From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 10 09:52:56 1996 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 09:53:41 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9610100853.AA12215@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: RCPT: Re: Simcoupe X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1573 Lines: 69 > PS, how about an up to date list of the subscribers to this list > so we know who we are talking to? Coming right up... Members of list 'sam-users': 100717.2266@compuserve.com BBKaneda@galactica.it Ian.Collier@comlab.oxford.ac.uk allan@hpopb1.cern.ch ar@RMnet.it ben@charm.il.ft.hse.nl briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk d.c.hooper@sms.ed.ac.uk drissen@pi.net geoffw@jumper.mcc.ac.uk gianni.zamperini@galactica.it gommerd@interpac.be janowska@usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl lamp@dcs.edinburgh.ac.uk malevolent@netwales.co.uk palucha@usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl pmyljja@hhn1.nott.ac.uk rjp@heffer.demon.co.uk samcoupe@cadderly.demon.co.uk sh5655@bristol.ac.uk si@obobo.demon.co.uk simon.cooke@umist.ac.uk tgw1001@cam.ac.uk Jon_Hampton@iconex.mactel.org ft@edh.ericsson.se dean@error.demon.co.uk djg528@bham.ac.uk davewhitmore@enterprise.net 9548777@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK smith-gc@ulst.ac.uk Gouranga@aol.com C.F.CABLE@UCLAN.AC.UK unc@dplinux.sund.ac.uk ffyon@enterprise.net blackadder@orinocco.demon.co.uk matthew@bealing.avel.co.uk samsboss@uk.pipeline.com Stefan_Drissen@nl.coopers.com FormatPub@aol.com ee31ag@surrey.ac.uk keith@cursci.co.uk 106350.2555@compuserve.com simon@studio.woden.com ELA95BEC@sheffield.ac.uk DOOREDJ@parliament.uk 106166.1560@compuserve.com mne2@cableol.co.uk rjvveeke@caiw.nl D.M.Zambonini@cs.cf.ac.uk P.R.Walker@csv.warwick.ac.uk d.handley@lancaster.ac.uk c93js1@dmu.ac.uk slawek@math.uni-goettingen.de asc25@cam.ac.uk j.d.teare@uclan.ac.uk l.willis@comp.brad.ac.uk 56 in total. Most people we know, but some are not familiar. How about an update Dan? -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 10 09:58:47 1996 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 09:57:15 +0100 From: Dan Doore To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: The SAM Power Supply Story. Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 520 Lines: 14 Whilst were on about modulators and monitors, my monitor has always had a touch of reflection and colour drift but now it's unbelievable - it's like having 'mouse trails' on everything! The SCART lead I'm using is one I made myself by re-wiring a standard lead to the diagram in the back of the Sam manual - are there any known problems with this? Dan BTW Is anybody else having problems with mails from 'Samsboss' since mine tend to have no line feeds in, but then again it's probably just the shit mailer here... From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 10 10:03:19 1996 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 10:02:07 +0100 From: Dan Doore To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: RCPT: Re: Simcoupe - Reply Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 363 Lines: 17 > > PS, how about an up to date list of the subscribers to this list > > so we know who we are talking to? > > Coming right up... > > Members of list 'sam-users': [Deleted] > 56 in total. Most people we know, but some are not familiar. How about an update Dan? I'll have to dig out the old list from one of my discs tonight but I'll give it a bash. Dan. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 10 10:24:57 1996 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 05:23:50 -0400 From: FormatPub@aol.com Message-Id: <961010052342_330285842@emout19.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: The SAM Power Supply Story. Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 941 Lines: 25 In a message dated 10/10/96 08:48:07, you write: >The story about the SAM power supply is really interesting Bob, >but there's one thing I can't quite figure... if the UNF modulator >in the Amstrad PSU was no good, then why didn't Bruce include >the UM1286 in the main SAM unit? Surely this would have helped >with picture quality. Or was the reason that MGT were hoping >to release a monitor that would power the SAM via the SCART port >and hence not need a modulator? (I seem to recall reading some- >thing like that in a magazine once). > >-Andy > > Bruce did plan a monitor, and also at one time a full TV with the SAM built inside - but that is another story. The reason that the modulator was put in the PSU and not on the main board was to allow for overseas machines. All they needed was a different power supply and away you go. At the end of the day, every SAM deserves to have a monitor attached to get the best from it. Bob From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 10 10:27:35 1996 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 05:26:15 -0400 From: FormatPub@aol.com Message-Id: <961010052614_330286236@emout19.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Gimme a ROM image... oh go on. Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 321 Lines: 15 In a message dated 09/10/96 20:25:24, you write: > >Have taken photocopy of my ROM and will send it as soon as I can :-))) > >Samsboss >The One And Only > > By copying the ROM in this highly illeagle way you have invalidated any warranty that may have remained on your SAM. A pox on you and all your family. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 10 10:32:26 1996 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 05:31:10 -0400 From: FormatPub@aol.com Message-Id: <961010053105_330287173@emout19.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: The SAM Power Supply Story. Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 881 Lines: 27 In a message dated 10/10/96 08:58:49, you write: >Whilst were on about modulators and monitors, my monitor has >always had a touch of reflection and colour drift but now it's >unbelievable - it's like having 'mouse trails' on everything! > >The SCART lead I'm using is one I made myself by re-wiring a >standard lead to the diagram in the back of the Sam manual - >are there any known problems with this? There may be a couple of mods that have not been done to your SAM. Give me a ring sometime and I will chat with you about it. > >Dan > >BTW Is anybody else having problems with mails from 'Samsboss' >since mine tend to have no line feeds in, but then again it's >probably just the shit mailer here... > > > They come through on AOL alright, mores the pity. No, No! Must not be tempted to mock the mentally sub-normal - at least he does have the sence to own a SAM. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 10 10:35:31 1996 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 05:34:08 -0400 From: FormatPub@aol.com Message-Id: <961010053402_330287813@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Spelling Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 401 Lines: 10 Sorry if the spelling in messages from Format Publications is not up to scratch. The truth (if you had not guessed it already) is that I need a spelling checker which sadly is missing from the email system on AOL. Now I know that it is possible to write email in a word processor, and then fling it into the email routine using cut and paste. But there must be a better way??? Any ideas folks. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 10 11:10:33 1996 Message-Id: From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale) Subject: sam users To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 11:09:01 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <961009145753_206129175@emout05.mail.aol.com> from "FormatPub@aol.com" at Oct 9, 96 02:57:55 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 393 Lines: 11 Does anyone know the actual number of SAMs sold? I remember at one time there were figures of 20,000 bandied about, but I understand that 7000-10,000 is more realistic. Any ideas home many are actually still used?! I don't use my SAM for anything like game, wordprocessing, drawing etc - I use it purely for control of electronic thing/ experimenting, and it's truly superb for that. -ANdy From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 10 11:19:33 1996 Subject: Re: Gimme a ROM image... oh go on. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 11:17:43 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <961010052614_330286236@emout19.mail.aol.com> from "FormatPub@aol.com" at Oct 10, 96 05:26:15 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <96Oct10.111837+0100_met.145481-26246+51@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 459 Lines: 19 > > In a message dated 09/10/96 20:25:24, you write: > > > > >Have taken photocopy of my ROM and will send it as soon as I can :-))) > > > >Samsboss > >The One And Only > > > > > > By copying the ROM in this highly illeagle way you have invalidated any > warranty that may have remained on your SAM. A pox on you and all your > family. Not only that, but if he folds it to send it through the post, it'll probably wipe all the data off it... Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 10 11:20:47 1996 Subject: Re: Spelling To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 11:19:02 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <961010053402_330287813@emout10.mail.aol.com> from "FormatPub@aol.com" at Oct 10, 96 05:34:08 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <96Oct10.111941+0100_met.145485-26246+53@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 680 Lines: 16 > > Sorry if the spelling in messages from Format Publications is not up to > scratch. > The truth (if you had not guessed it already) is that I need a spelling > checker which sadly is missing from the email system on AOL. Now I know that > it is possible to write email in a word processor, and then fling it into the > email routine using cut and paste. But there must be a better way??? > > Any ideas folks. Ummmm... you could buy a copy of Eudora Pro, which has a built in spell-check, but I don't know if it would work with AOL. According to Scott Adams (he of Dilbert cartoon fame) last time I phoned him, it should work fine - at least, it does with his Mac. Simon From imc Thu Oct 10 11:32:57 1996 Subject: Re: RCPT: Re: Simcoupe To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 11:32:57 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <9610100853.AA12215@asmal.edh-net> from "Frode Tenneboe" at Oct 10, 96 09:53:41 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 567 Lines: 23 On Thu, 10 Oct 1996 09:53:41 +0100, Frode Tenneboe said: > Members of list 'sam-users': > Ian.Collier@comlab.oxford.ac.uk If everyone's email address were as simple as that there wouldn't be a problem, eh? :-) > simon.cooke@umist.ac.uk > Jon_Hampton@iconex.mactel.org > davewhitmore@enterprise.net > D.M.Zambonini@cs.cf.ac.uk > P.R.Walker@csv.warwick.ac.uk > d.handley@lancaster.ac.uk Ah, a few other sensible people. :-) > asc25@cam.ac.uk Wait... I know this. :-) (that was quick - he's only been there 4 days. He hasn't even sent me an email yet...) imc From imc Thu Oct 10 11:34:09 1996 Subject: Re: The SAM Power Supply Story. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 11:34:09 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Dan Doore" at Oct 10, 96 09:57:15 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 353 Lines: 9 On Thu, 10 Oct 1996 09:57:15 +0100, Dan Doore said: > The SCART lead I'm using is one I made myself by re-wiring a > standard lead to the diagram in the back of the Sam manual - > are there any known problems with this? As far as I know the only difference between a Sam SCART lead and an ordinary one is that you have to cut some of the wires. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 10 11:35:04 1996 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 11:31:47 +0100 From: D.M.Zambonini@cs.cf.ac.uk (D M Zambonini) Message-Id: <199610101031.LAA01663@cadog.cs.cf.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: The SAM Power Supply Story. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Md5: TmPtD9urkbCcLqw7/pT4lg== Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 272 Lines: 12 > They come through on AOL alright, mores the pity. No, No! Must not be tempted > to mock the mentally sub-normal - at least he does have the sence to own a > SAM. > > Bob. sence???? But you're right, of course. Nobody must mock the mentally sub-normal... :) DMZ === From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 10 11:35:30 1996 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 11:32:45 +0100 From: D.M.Zambonini@cs.cf.ac.uk (D M Zambonini) Message-Id: <199610101032.LAA01665@cadog.cs.cf.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Spelling Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Md5: 3RkIjw2QvmaCd5i3G0ZRcg== Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 489 Lines: 15 > Sorry if the spelling in messages from Format Publications is not up to > scratch. > The truth (if you had not guessed it already) is that I need a spelling > checker which sadly is missing from the email system on AOL. Now I know that > it is possible to write email in a word processor, and then fling it into the > email routine using cut and paste. But there must be a better way??? > > Any ideas folks. > > Bob. Just one thought spring to mind... Learn how to spell. :) DMZ === From imc Thu Oct 10 11:36:56 1996 Subject: Re: The SAM Power Supply Story. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 11:36:56 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <961010052342_330285842@emout19.mail.aol.com> from "FormatPub@aol.com" at Oct 10, 96 05:23:50 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 502 Lines: 13 On Thu, 10 Oct 1996 05:23:50 -0400, FormatPub@aol.com said: > The reason that the modulator was put in the PSU and not on the main board > was to allow for overseas machines. All they needed was a different power > supply and away you go. Not! OK, in PAL countries this is so (does none of them have a similar broadcast standard to the UK then?). However, as far as I remember the 1377 doesn't do SECAM, and although it does do NTSC the line and frame rate will obviously be completely wrong. imc From imc Thu Oct 10 11:38:04 1996 Subject: Re: The SAM Power Supply Story. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 11:38:04 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <961010053105_330287173@emout19.mail.aol.com> from "FormatPub@aol.com" at Oct 10, 96 05:31:10 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 334 Lines: 9 On Thu, 10 Oct 1996 05:31:10 -0400, FormatPub@aol.com said: > They come through on AOL alright, mores the pity. No, No! Must not be tempted > to mock the mentally sub-normal - at least he does have the sence to own a > SAM. Come on, how can you call someone mentally sub-normal when _you_ are the one with an AOL account?! :-) imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 10 11:40:22 1996 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 11:36:44 +0100 From: D.M.Zambonini@cs.cf.ac.uk (D M Zambonini) Message-Id: <199610101036.LAA01670@cadog.cs.cf.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Gimme a ROM image... oh go on. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Md5: Fe6Ib2ZUrWQsSHhT1nIlfg== Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 439 Lines: 15 > > By copying the ROM in this highly illeagle way you have invalidated any > > warranty that may have remained on your SAM. A pox on you and all your > > family. > > Not only that, but if he folds it to send it through the post, it'll > probably wipe all the data off it... > > Simon Naaaahh.. the new Oxford Press A4 is guarenteed to retain data through at least 5 single sheet folds and also after manilla wrapping... :) DMZ === From imc Thu Oct 10 11:41:08 1996 Subject: Re: Spelling To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 11:41:08 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <961010053402_330287813@emout10.mail.aol.com> from "FormatPub@aol.com" at Oct 10, 96 05:34:08 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 555 Lines: 11 On Thu, 10 Oct 1996 05:34:08 -0400, FormatPub@aol.com said: > Now I know that > it is possible to write email in a word processor, and then fling it into the > email routine using cut and paste. Don't ever do that. Microsoft [spit] word processors [spit] have a habit of changing your ordinary innocuous characters such as quote marks and dashes into weird characters that only a PC understands. This will have the side effect of making our local mailer change it into a MIME message. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 10 11:51:58 1996 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 11:50:21 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@oughtred.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Electronics on the SAM (Was: Re: Simcoupe) In-Reply-To: <9610100853.AA12215@asmal.edh-net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 914 Lines: 21 On Thu, 10 Oct 1996, Frode Tenneboe wrote: > c93js1@dmu.ac.uk That's me! :) In case you'd like to know, I'm a Coupe owner (with black feet instead of blue - Why?) and I'm trying to start up electronics. Well, trying as in the sense of working out what all the pins on the expansion bus do and which ones I need. BTW, do I need to do anything other that wire a 3.5mmstereo jack plug to a 5 pin type A DIN plug to put the sound through to the MIC socket on my portable stereo? Do I need to do anything to the signal? -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Don't take life so seriously, | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | you'll never survive it! | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | - (C) CamLoRTS 1996 | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 10 11:56:46 1996 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <581.199610101049@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Gimme a ROM image... oh go on. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 11:47:16 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <961010052614_330286236@emout19.mail.aol.com> from "FormatPub@aol.com" at Oct 10, 96 05:26:15 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 219 Lines: 8 > By copying the ROM in this highly illeagle way you have invalidated any > warranty that may have remained on your SAM. A pox on you and all your > family. The worst bit? I'm not sure if he's joking or not... Paul From imc Thu Oct 10 11:58:40 1996 Subject: Re: Electronics on the SAM (Was: Re: Simcoupe) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 11:58:40 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Justin Skists" at Oct 10, 96 11:50:21 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 251 Lines: 8 On Thu, 10 Oct 1996 11:50:21 +0100 (BST), Justin Skists said: > In case you'd like to know, I'm a Coupe owner (with black feet instead of blue - > Why?) Possibly because you are wearing shoes rather than standing barefoot in a bucket of ice... imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 10 12:03:32 1996 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 12:02:22 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@oughtred.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Electronics on the SAM (Was: Re: Simcoupe) In-Reply-To: <9610101058.AA06220@boothp2.ecs.ox.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 835 Lines: 21 On Thu, 10 Oct 1996 Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk wrote: > On Thu, 10 Oct 1996 11:50:21 +0100 (BST), Justin Skists said: > > In case you'd like to know, I'm a Coupe owner (with black feet instead of blue - > > Why?) > > Possibly because you are wearing shoes rather than standing barefoot in a > bucket of ice... Not me... tsk.. :) My SAM! My SAM Coupe has black feet instead of blue... (Maybe I should check my wording on these emails) -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Don't take life so seriously, | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | you'll never survive it! | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | - (C) CamLoRTS 1996 | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 10 12:05:02 1996 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 12:04:12 +0100 (BST) From: "A.S. Collier" X-Sender: asc25@blue.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Oh no! He's back again.... Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 842 Lines: 22 Hi there everybody! Straight out from sixth form and into Selwyn College, Cambridge. This address asc25@cam.ac.uk should hopefully be constant for this year at least (so Simon, if you wouldn't mind including it in the BOAI contacts page for MNEMOtech -ta) With a bit of luck I'll now be able to reply to conversations before they're a week out of date... (What a wonderful setup there was back in Bolton, ah the memories!) So what's been going on while I've been away? I suppose the Weatherby show prompted some discussion, though not much from people who actually went, a-ha ha ha. Zodiac should be going to Gloucester too, but since I still have half of Michael's stand I'll possibly have to get somebody to deliver the stuff as I may not be able to go myself this time (due to Saturday lectures and the like) Never mind... Andrew From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 10 12:08:23 1996 Message-Id: <199610101206.NAA21546@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: Gimme a ROM image... oh go on. Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 13:11:24 +0100 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 639 Lines: 22 ---------- > Van: Mr P R Walker > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Onderwerp: Re: Gimme a ROM image... oh go on. > Datum: Thursday, October 10, 1996 11:47 AM > > > By copying the ROM in this highly illeagle way you have invalidated any > > warranty that may have remained on your SAM. A pox on you and all your > > family. > > The worst bit? I'm not sure if he's joking or not... > > Paul > If I put the ROM through my scanner, would that help, at least you can't fold in this way. Robert van der Veeke AKA RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Red leader here: watch out we are running out of diskspace real soon! From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 10 12:32:58 1996 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 12:31:52 +0100 From: Dan Doore To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Unsubscribers... Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 119 Lines: 10 For christ's sake doughnuts - send the unsubscribe to: majordomo@nvg.unit.no NOT TO THE BLEEDING LIST Jeez. Dan. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 10 12:35:14 1996 X-Authentication-Warning: dcsun4.comp.brad.ac.uk: lwillis owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 12:34:02 +0100 (BST) From: "Appendixless-boy .." To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Unsubscribers... In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 303 Lines: 14 On Thu, 10 Oct 1996, Dan Doore wrote: > For christ's sake doughnuts - send the unsubscribe to: > > majordomo@nvg.unit.no > > NOT TO THE BLEEDING LIST > Shouldn't they be sent to sam-users-request@nvg.unit.no ??? All in my humble opinion folks, so don't get _too_ aggro if I've offended ... Lee. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 10 12:40:52 1996 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 12:38:28 +0100 From: Dan Doore To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Sam Users list - first iteration. Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2208 Lines: 73 The Sam User List II -------------------- * Denotes it could be totally wrong :) Ian Dalziel - 100717.2266@compuserve.com Ian Collier - Ian.Collier@comlab.oxford.ac.uk Allan Skillman - allan@hpopb1.cern.ch *Arne di Russo - ar@RMnet.it Ben Versteeg - ben@charm.il.ft.hse.nl Brian Gaff - briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk Dave Hooper - d.c.hooper@sms.ed.ac.uk Stefan Drissen - drissen@pi.net - Stefan_Drissen@nl.coopers.com Geoff Winkless - geoffw@jumper.mcc.ac.uk Gianni Zamperini- gianni.zamperini@galactica.it David Gommeren - gommerd@interpac.bejan Matt Round - malevolent@netwales.co.uk Colin Anderton - plpmyljja@hhn1.nott.ac.uk *Rob Partington - rjp@heffer.demon.co.uk *SL? Harding - sh5655@bristol.ac.uk *Simon Owen - si@obobo.demon.co.uk Simon Cooke - simon.cooke@umist.ac.uk - Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk *Tim Wells - tgw1001@cam.ac.uk Jon Hampton - Jon_Hampton@iconex.mactel.org Frode Tennebo - ft@edh.ericsson.se Dean Liversidge - dean@error.demon.co.uk Diggory Gray - djg528@bham.ac.uk Dave Whitmore - davewhitmore@enterprise.net Will Bowring - 9548777@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK Gavin Smith - smith-gc@ulst.ac.uk Tim Paveley - unc@dplinux.sund.ac.uk Matthew Bealing - matthew@bealing.avel.co.uk *Keith - samsboss@uk.pipeline.com Bob Brenchley - FormatPub@aol.com Andrew Gale - ee31ag@surrey.ac.uk Simon Goodwin - simon@studio.woden.com Dan Doore - DOOREDJ@parliament.uk Neil Maynard - mne2@cableol.co.uk Robert van der Veeke - rjvveeke@caiw.nl David Zambonini - D.M.Zambonini@cs.cf.ac.uk Paul Walker - P.R.Walker@csv.warwick.ac.uk - csuan@csv.warwick.ac.uk Dave Handley - d.handley@lancaster.ac.uk Justin Skists - c93js1@dmu.ac.uk Andrew Collier - asc25@cam.ac.uk *Johnna Teare - j.d.teare@uclan.ac.uk Lee Willis - l.willis@comp.brad.ac.uk *Lucian Murray-Pitts -lamp@dcs.edinburgh.ac.uk (should be unsubscribed) The unknowns: BBKaneda@galactica.it slawek@math.uni-goettingen.de 106166.1560@compuserve.com ELA95BEC@sheffield.ac.uk 106350.2555@compuserve.com keith@cursci.co.uk ffyon@enterprise.net blackadder@orinocco.demon.co.uk C.F.CABLE@UCLAN.AC.UK Gouranga@aol.com samcoupe@cadderly.demon.co.uk palucha@usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl owska@usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl Compiled by Dan Doore 10/10/96 From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 10 12:41:08 1996 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 12:41:59 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9610101141.AA13447@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Unsubscribers... X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 422 Lines: 19 > On Thu, 10 Oct 1996, Dan Doore wrote: > > > For christ's sake doughnuts - send the unsubscribe to: > > > > majordomo@nvg.unit.no > > > > NOT TO THE BLEEDING LIST > > > Shouldn't they be sent to sam-users-request@nvg.unit.no ??? It's the same thing. But with the latter you can just type 'unsubscribe' in the body. > > All in my humble opinion folks, so don't get _too_ aggro if I've offended ... Argh! -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 10 12:45:38 1996 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 12:44:13 +0100 From: Dan Doore To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Unsubscribers... - Reply Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 354 Lines: 13 > Shouldn't they be sent to sam-users-request@nvg.unit.no ??? Either I believe, but 'unsubscribe sam-users' to majordomo is always a winner from me (when I can type it correctly :) ) Apologies for being curt, but that last 'unsubscribe' caused my dodgy mailer to die and then a GPF trashed the 'Sam Users' list that I was editing at the time. Dan. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 10 13:08:29 1996 Subject: Re: The SAM Power Supply Story. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 13:06:05 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <9610101036.AA06097@boothp2.ecs.ox.ac.uk> from "Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk" at Oct 10, 96 11:36:56 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <96Oct10.130640+0100_met.145485-26247+66@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 723 Lines: 18 > > On Thu, 10 Oct 1996 05:23:50 -0400, FormatPub@aol.com said: > > The reason that the modulator was put in the PSU and not on the main board > > was to allow for overseas machines. All they needed was a different power > > supply and away you go. > > Not! > > OK, in PAL countries this is so (does none of them have a similar broadcast > standard to the UK then?). However, as far as I remember the 1377 doesn't > do SECAM, and although it does do NTSC the line and frame rate will > obviously be completely wrong. Another slight problem with this is the fact that the NTSC/PAL select line is tied to ground, so unless you bodge it yourself, you won't be able to get it to produce an NTSC signal anyway... Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 10 13:09:30 1996 Subject: Re: Electronics on the SAM (Was: Re: Simcoupe) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 13:08:13 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: from "Justin Skists" at Oct 10, 96 11:50:21 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <96Oct10.130838+0100_met.145483-26247+67@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 701 Lines: 15 > BTW, do I need to do anything other that wire a 3.5mmstereo jack plug to a > 5 pin type A DIN plug to put the sound through to the MIC socket on my > portable stereo? Do I need to do anything to the signal? Ummm... possibly. It would seem that some SAMs don't like having sound going out that way, and leave you with a strange signal which is a combination of most of the right channel, and some of the left going out on one side, and just the right on the other. SCART doesn't seem to have this problem. The thing is, I can't see *any* reason whatsoever for this happening, other than cross-talk, but that would affect the SCART output anyway. Suck it and see, that's all I can say. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 10 13:12:51 1996 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 13:13:28 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9610101213.AA13645@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam Users list - first iteration. X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 161 Lines: 15 > The unknowns: > > BBKaneda@galactica.it Gianni Zamperini? > slawek@math.uni-goettingen.de Slawomir Grodkowski > keith@cursci.co.uk Keith Turner -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 10 13:14:10 1996 Subject: Re: Sam Users list - first iteration. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 13:12:42 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: from "Dan Doore" at Oct 10, 96 12:38:28 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <96Oct10.131327+0100_met.145480-26246+60@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 568 Lines: 20 > The Sam User List II > -------------------- > > * Denotes it could be totally wrong :) Arne's address is Ok I think -- deleted it by mistake though. Ooops. > *Simon Owen - si@obobo.demon.co.uk Correct, AFAIK > BBKaneda@galactica.it > slawek@math.uni-goettingen.de - Slawomir Grodowski. May no longer be at this address. > 106166.1560@compuserve.com > 106350.2555@compuserve.com - one of these is Nev Young I think... > blackadder@orinocco.demon.co.uk - Luke Trevorrow (Lord Blackadder) Now the only question I have is whya re all these people so quiet? Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 10 13:25:29 1996 Subject: Writers request To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 13:24:08 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <96Oct10.132444+0100_met.145485-26246+62@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2345 Lines: 64 Hi everyone, Based On An Idea needs writers! We need articles on all sorts of subjects for the magazine. If you're feeling technically minded, please give it a go! Popular people: --------------- People we'd specifically like articles from include: David Gommeren (on anything you fancy!) Edwin Blink (on this new hardware bodge, or that game he's working on) Dan Doore (on C?) Of course, we need more articles from people like David Zambonini and Stefan Drissen too... And if the brothers Collier fancy writing one, or if we can quote Bob on his PSU story, so much the better. Anyone and everyone is welcome. (Speaking of which, Bob, can we print that Mouse Interface mod in the mag? And if so, could you let me know which pins you swap?) Subjects we really need articles on: C on the SAM DIY Floating Point maths Maths routines (*fast* multiply - using tables of squares if anyone can remember how to do that one...), divide, random numbers... 3D graphics *IF* they can be implemented on the SAM with the routines - not really general stuff. Sprite routines, collision detection. Compression routines. Disk routines/disk protection. Keyboard scanning. Mouse pointer printing routines (fast as possible). Simulating real world parameters (gravity, drag, etc - thrust style or physically correct - 'sup to you) Communications - using the SAM Network perhaps? MIDI programming. Optimising Z80 code. Converting 128k games to run on the SAM. File formats (if SAM specific and undocumented, otherwise if you're also going to explain how to display them - for example, 256 colour GIFs - then anything goes). Memory management routines - new & improved, as well as using the existing ones for the SAM Heap and ALLOCT table. Tricks and tactics. ANY hardware projects. DOesn't matter what it is - from a lightpen to a graphics board. If anyone's willing to take one of these on, all we can offer at the moment is a couple of free issues of the mag for every issue you have an article in (so if you write one split over, say, 4 issues, you get 8 free copies). But it's worth it, brings new people into programming and hardware design and hopefully will make the SAM live that little bit longer in the long run. If you don't fancy that, how about letters for the magazine? Or technical queries? It's up to you. Simon Cooke From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 10 13:32:34 1996 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 13:31:11 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@galois.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Writers request In-Reply-To: <96Oct10.132444+0100_met.145485-26246+62@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 633 Lines: 16 On Thu, 10 Oct 1996, Simon Cooke wrote: > Based On An Idea needs writers! We need articles on all sorts of subjects ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This is the first time I've heard about this magazine... What's the subscription details, etc? -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Don't take life so seriously, | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | you'll never survive it! | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | - (C) CamLoRTS 1996 | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 10 13:46:04 1996 Subject: Re: Writers request To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 13:43:56 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: from "Justin Skists" at Oct 10, 96 01:31:11 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <96Oct10.134449+0100_met.145480-26244+90@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1440 Lines: 48 > > On Thu, 10 Oct 1996, Simon Cooke wrote: > > > Based On An Idea needs writers! We need articles on all sorts of subjects > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > This is the first time I've heard about this magazine... > > What's the subscription details, etc? Well, it's 6.00UKP for a year's sub (we're not accepting longer subscriptions at the moment, as it's still early days). You can obtain a copy by writing to: Maria Rookyard, Based On An Idea, 38 Squires Lane, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 8JF. <--- unsure about the last bit. Cheques made payable to M.Rookyard. As for contents... well, basically it's a really technical magazine, with the emphasis on programming down to the bare metal, and hardware design, for the SAM Coupe. There's no other magazine out there quite like it, and the first issue has received reviews of at least 90% in every magazine I've seen it mentioned. We're up to issue 2 at the moment (issue 3 is due out soon). It's a quarterly mag too... For single issues, it's 2.00UKP a pop. Issue 1 contents: How to read the SAM Mouse. Z380 reviewed & explored. How the Burstplayer as used in the SAM MOD Player works. Dalmation BBS info. SAM on the Internet. SC_Disk Protector reviewed. Issue 2 contents: The SAM Mouse Interface hardware explained. How the SAM Accelerator will work... THe MSDOS Filing structure. Optimizing Z80 - the most accurate list of Z80 timings available! Turbomon reviewed. Si Cooke From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 10 15:04:58 1996 Message-Id: From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale) Subject: Re: Gimme a ROM image... oh go on. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 15:02:50 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <199610101206.NAA21546@mailserv.caiw.nl> from "Robert van der Veeke" at Oct 10, 96 01:11:24 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 141 Lines: 6 > If I put the ROM through my scanner, would that help, at least you can't > fold in this way. This joke is wearing a bit thin, methinks! From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 10 15:05:34 1996 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 15:04:00 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@ibis.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Writers request In-Reply-To: <96Oct10.134449+0100_met.145480-26244+90@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 787 Lines: 18 On Thu, 10 Oct 1996, Simon Cooke wrote: > As for contents... well, basically it's a really technical magazine, with > the emphasis on programming down to the bare metal, and hardware design, > for the SAM Coupe. There's no other magazine out there quite like it, and Sounds like the type of magazine I've been looking for... Where did I put my chequebook...? Is it a disc mag or paper? -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Don't take life so seriously, | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | you'll never survive it! | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | - (C) CamLoRTS 1996 | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 10 15:27:45 1996 From: Gavin Smith Organization: University of Ulster To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 15:20:17 GMT Subject: Re: Writers request Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-Id: Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 646 Lines: 20 > On Thu, 10 Oct 1996, Simon Cooke wrote: > > > As for contents... well, basically it's a really technical magazine, with > > the emphasis on programming down to the bare metal, and hardware design, > > for the SAM Coupe. There's no other magazine out there quite like it, and > > Sounds like the type of magazine I've been looking for... Where did I put my > chequebook...? > > Is it a disc mag or paper? > > Bit surprised that someone from this list hasn't got this excellent mag yet. Admittedly a lot of it is over my head, but I'm learning...there really is no mag like it for the Sam - everyone should buy it IMHO. Gavin Smith From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 10 15:34:35 1996 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 15:32:48 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@fermat.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Writers request In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1101 Lines: 25 On Thu, 10 Oct 1996, Gavin Smith wrote: > Bit surprised that someone from this list hasn't got this excellent > mag yet. Admittedly a lot of it is over my head, but I'm > learning...there really is no mag like it for the Sam - everyone > should buy it IMHO. I must defend myself here... I only got back on the net a couple of weeks ago after being away from it for a year. I only subscribed to this list a few days ago after someone emailed me about it. (In fact, I only got my Sam back out of the loft about a week ago coz I was fed up with my PC being so slow and not doing what I want it to do..) So.. Erm.. Still suprised? Oh, BTW, I'm assuming Brian Gaff doesn't want binaries on this list... -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Don't take life so seriously, | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | you'll never survive it! | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | - (C) CamLoRTS 1996 | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 10 16:13:30 1996 Subject: Re: Writers request To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 15:52:06 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: from "Justin Skists" at Oct 10, 96 03:04:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <96Oct10.161220+0100_met.145480-26246+63@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 580 Lines: 17 > > On Thu, 10 Oct 1996, Simon Cooke wrote: > > > As for contents... well, basically it's a really technical magazine, with > > the emphasis on programming down to the bare metal, and hardware design, > > for the SAM Coupe. There's no other magazine out there quite like it, and > > Sounds like the type of magazine I've been looking for... Where did I put my > chequebook...? > > Is it a disc mag or paper? 'tis a paper-based one - namely because if you did it on disk, and were programming, you couldn't look things up on it. Unless you had two SAMs that is ;) SImon From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 10 16:23:28 1996 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 16:22:02 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@fermat.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Writers request In-Reply-To: <96Oct10.161220+0100_met.145480-26246+63@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 715 Lines: 19 On Thu, 10 Oct 1996, Simon Cooke wrote: > 'tis a paper-based one - namely because if you did it on disk, and were > programming, you couldn't look things up on it. Unless you had two SAMs > that is ;) Good point... But, there are always those nifty things called printers.. :) I'll think I'll stop here, however.. -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Don't take life so seriously, | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | you'll never survive it! | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | - (C) CamLoRTS 1996 | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 10 16:28:53 1996 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 16:09:09 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <18532@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Spelling X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 144 Lines: 12 I always know those with spell checkers as theier scribblings start with.. Dear Brain, Its so true, honest! Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 10 16:53:19 1996 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 16:50:45 +0100 (BST) From: Tim Paveley To: Sam Users Mailing List Subject: Wah! Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 326 Lines: 12 I dunno, spend 48hrs away from the computer and come back to find 90 odd emails. Tch. Which ones are worth reading then? :) Tim ....@/ .........................................................................@/ Unc - Tim Paveley - http://dplinux.sund.ac.uk/~unc/ Owner of a Sam Coupe - http://www.mono.org/~unc/Coupe/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 10 19:36:46 1996 Date: 10 Oct 96 14:34:07 EDT From: Ian Dalziel <100717.2266@CompuServe.COM> To: SAM-USERS Subject: Sam Users list - first i Message-Id: <961010183407_100717.2266_EHU100-2@CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 102 Lines: 5 106166.1560@compuserve.com is Nev Young - I've told you that once, pay attention why don't you! Ian From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 10 22:32:44 1996 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 21:31:50 GMT Message-Id: <199610102131.VAA14088@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Wah! From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss) Cc: Sam Users Mailing List X-Pipeuser: samsboss X-Pipehub: uk.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (Samsboss) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 539 Lines: 21 On Oct 10, 1996 16:50:45, 'Tim Paveley ' wrote: >I dunno, spend 48hrs away from the computer and come back to find 90 odd >emails. > >Tch. > >Which ones are worth reading then? :) > >Tim ....@/ >..........................................................................@/ >Unc - Tim Paveley - http://dplinux.sund.ac.uk/~unc/ >Owner of a Sam Coupe - http://www.mono.org/~unc/Coupe/ > -- Any messages with the word Sam in them, provided it is followed by sboss... Samsboss The One And Only From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 11 01:37:10 1996 Message-Id: <325DA464.71D29AE@rmnet.it> Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 02:35:32 +0100 From: "A.D.R." Organization: EuroCom Network Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; Linux 2.0.0 i486) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam Users list - first iteration. References: <96Oct10.131327+0100_met.145480-26246+60@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 849 Lines: 25 Simon Cooke wrote: > > Arne's address is Ok I think -- deleted it by mistake though. Ooops. Yes, it's ok ... ^^^^^^^^^tsk, tsk, tsk... :-) > > *Simon Owen - si@obobo.demon.co.uk > Correct, AFAIK > > BBKaneda@galactica.it ^^^^^^this is Gianni Zamperini (haven't heard from him for ages...) > Now the only question I have is whya re all these people so quiet? > Simon Maybe because traffic is already high on this list?! :-) Would anyone be interested if I did a CD-ROM containing the whole SAM ftp archive (nvg.unit.no)? _ (_ i a o, Arne %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%( Arne Di Russo )%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% | Roma, Italy (EU) - ar@RMnet.it - http://digiserve.com/ar/ | %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% \...................> powered by LINUX 2.0 <......................./ From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 11 08:00:01 1996 Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 08:00:56 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9610110700.AA14365@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam Users list - first iteration. X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 413 Lines: 15 > Maybe because traffic is already high on this list?! :-) What makes you say that? :) > > Would anyone be interested if I did a CD-ROM containing > the whole SAM ftp archive (nvg.unit.no)? OK, if you a) don't mind making a SCSI interface for the SAM and b) allows for massive overkill as the SAM archive is measly 38Mb. How about changing that guys!? BTW: Why aren't there any gals around here? -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 11 08:10:38 1996 Date: 11 Oct 96 03:08:05 EDT From: Ian Dalziel <100717.2266@CompuServe.COM> To: SAM-USERS Subject: Re: Gimme a ROM image... Message-Id: <961011070805_100717.2266_EHU88-1@CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 93 Lines: 4 >> By copying the ROM in this highly illeagle way << Illeagle? Is that like a sick parrot? From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 11 08:23:50 1996 Subject: Re: unsubscribe To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 09:21:47 +0000 (MET) From: Sebastian Palucha In-Reply-To: <961011070805_100717.2266_EHU88-1@CompuServe.COM> from "Ian Dalziel" at Oct 11, 96 03:08:05 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23~] Content-Type: text Message-Id: <9610110921.aa08563@usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 47 Lines: 3 please send me listserv e'mail adres. thanks From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 11 08:54:37 1996 Subject: Re: Sam Users list - first iteration. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 08:52:49 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <325DA464.71D29AE@rmnet.it> from "A.D.R." at Oct 11, 96 02:35:32 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <96Oct11.085325+0100_met.145480-26246+109@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 294 Lines: 10 > Would anyone be interested if I did a CD-ROM containing > the whole SAM ftp archive (nvg.unit.no)? Good idea! :) I've done one myself, but it doesn't have the directory structure... I was just sticking some stuff on the CD and it seemed a shame to waste all that lovely space... Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 11 14:24:52 1996 Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 09:23:28 -0400 From: FormatPub@aol.com Message-Id: <961011092325_207891517@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Writers request Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 305 Lines: 12 In a message dated 10/10/96 15:13:16, you write: >tis a paper-based one - namely because if you did it on disk, and were >programming, you couldn't look things up on it. Unless you had two SAMs >that is ;) > >SImon > > Yes but now you have two SAMs Mr Cooke - and both working. Am I not good to you? From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 11 14:24:53 1996 Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 09:23:23 -0400 From: FormatPub@aol.com Message-Id: <961011092322_207891489@emout03.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: The Black Feet Gang Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 685 Lines: 20 You lucky, lucky, man. Don't you know that black footed SAMs are worth lots more than blue footed machines? Well at least a few pence more anyway. Another Bruce Gordon *$?!-up. Ordered some feet, did not mention what colour, company used black. There are lots of black footed SAMs around, in fact since 1995 most new SAMs have had black feet. Now there was a set of yellow, and a set of green, red and white that used to be kept in a box under the long workbench at Lakeside - I wonder what happened to them? If anyone wants black feet, come along to the show on the 26th and I will sort you out with some quick drying paint so you can get your socks back on quite quickly. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 11 14:25:38 1996 Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 09:23:28 -0400 From: FormatPub@aol.com Message-Id: <961011092326_207891527@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: sam users Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 555 Lines: 17 In a message dated 10/10/96 10:10:33, you write: >Does anyone know the actual number of SAMs sold? I >remember at one time there were figures of 20,000 >bandied about, but I understand that 7000-10,000 is more >realistic. Any ideas home many are actually still used?! About 20,000 made for UK market up to end 1995. Some were sold as kits of parts to overseas companies - don't know how many but think about 2-4 thousand at most. No idea how many are still in use - I would guess at around the 2,000 mark but that may be very wide either way. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 11 15:28:39 1996 Subject: Re: The Black Feet Gang To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 15:02:11 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <961011092322_207891489@emout03.mail.aol.com> from "FormatPub@aol.com" at Oct 11, 96 09:23:23 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <96Oct11.152609+0100_met.145481-26247+141@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 327 Lines: 10 > Don't you know that black footed SAMs are worth lots more than blue footed > machines? Well at least a few pence more anyway. > > Another Bruce Gordon *$?!-up. Ordered some feet, did not mention what colour, > company used black. I thought they were planned actually; thus the grey version of the keyboard. *shrugs* Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 11 15:28:39 1996 Subject: Re: Writers request To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 15:03:24 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <961011092325_207891517@emout06.mail.aol.com> from "FormatPub@aol.com" at Oct 11, 96 09:23:28 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <96Oct11.152610+0100_met.145485-26247+142@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 547 Lines: 17 > > In a message dated 10/10/96 15:13:16, you write: > > >tis a paper-based one - namely because if you did it on disk, and were > >programming, you couldn't look things up on it. Unless you had two SAMs > >that is ;) > > > >SImon > > Yes but now you have two SAMs Mr Cooke - and both working. Am I not good to > you? *grins* yes indeedy... The moment I find out how to extend the day to 40 hours long (or work out how much caffeine I'd need to stay awake permanently without the need for sleep), then I'll get Termite finished :) Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 11 16:18:28 1996 Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 16:17:13 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@dedekind.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: SAM users list Subject: nvg Sam archive Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 889 Lines: 19 Sorry, But I've just discovered the SAM Coupe archive at nvg (took me long enough!)... Now to download everything.. What are most of the files for? Wouldn't it be nice if someone would put a sort of descriptive file of all the files in each directory? Might aswell get everything anyway... I'm trying to decide whether to upload Xenozoids - The first, and only, game I actually written and completed.. It was written in BASIC and it could be quite, erm.. how do I put it... embarrasing..... -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Don't take life so seriously, | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | you'll never survive it! | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | - (C) CamLoRTS 1996 | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 11 16:21:10 1996 Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 16:17:47 +0100 From: D.M.Zambonini@cs.cf.ac.uk (D M Zambonini) Message-Id: <199610111517.QAA02257@dornar.cs.cf.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Writers request Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Md5: XJkbBTpYyp9z/tx2jlVufw== Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 670 Lines: 25 > Issue 2 contents: > The SAM Mouse Interface hardware explained. > How the SAM Accelerator will work... > THe MSDOS Filing structure. > Optimizing Z80 - the most accurate list of Z80 timings available! > Turbomon reviewed. ^ in Trust me, I know not what I'm talking about. :) Oh, give me about 12 years and I might have a go at all of:- * Maths routines * 3D graphics * Sprite routines, collision detection. * Compression routines. * Optimising Z80 code. But not at the moment, I'm busy on 32 bit dos protected mode graphics routines.... :) DMZ === From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 11 16:21:50 1996 From: Gavin Smith Organization: University of Ulster To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 16:16:27 GMT Subject: IRC... Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-Id: Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 256 Lines: 4 Mailing lists are greats things aren't they? But aren't chat channels better? I was just wondering if anyone goes on IRC (Undernet) and if so maybe we could start a little Sam Coupe channel? (By the way, in case you do go on IRC, my nick is "SparkY"... From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 11 17:34:05 1996 Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 17:25:39 +0100 From: Diggory Gray (PWE) Message-Id: <199610111625.RAA28923@ugs2> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: IRC... X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 213 Lines: 6 IRC lists are OK if everybody logs on at the same time, but this maybe difficult to arrange. People don't get so long to think about what they can say - which could make future 'discusions' even worse... Diggory From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 11 17:39:25 1996 From: Gavin Smith Organization: University of Ulster To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 17:33:13 GMT Subject: Re: IRC... Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-Id: Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 419 Lines: 13 > > IRC lists are OK if everybody logs on at the same time, but this maybe difficult > to arrange. > People don't get so long to think about what they can say - which could make > future 'discusions' even worse... > Diggory Agreed, and because there are relatively few people on this list, and even fewer who would bother to go on IRC, it would make for one very empty channel - but still! Anyone go on IRC? :) From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 11 19:24:09 1996 From: "j.d.teare" Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 19:21:16 GMT+0 Subject: Re: Sam Users list - first iteration. X-Confirm-Reading-To: X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-Id: <21045B3769F@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 674 Lines: 18 Yes, j.d.teare@uclan.ac.uk is indeed Johnna Teare, ex of SAM2SAM (is that a claim to fame? If you ever saw SAM2SAM could you mail me and tell me!). Whilst I'm here, what's the score on this SAM ROM business - Andy Wright wrote it and gave Dave Ledbury permission to publish it in the Newsdidk and the in SAM Prime. West Coast Computers only bought the rights to sell the SAM, they did not buy the copyrights did they? And it was interesting to note that a few people responded to my request for the identity of WCC - the only silent voice? Well, that of Bob Brenchley - so what's your hidden secret? :-) And do you really have a pussy? :-) Love and hugs, Johnna From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 11 19:31:30 1996 From: "j.d.teare" Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 19:28:43 GMT+0 Subject: Re: The Black Feet Gang Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-Id: <210677645C5@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 188 Lines: 9 Bob, >There are lots of black footed SAMs around, in fact since 1995 most >new SAMs have had black feet. So that's hardly any then? Thanks to WCC's excellent SAM promotions... Johnna. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 11 21:17:20 1996 Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 16:16:00 -0400 From: Neville Young <106166.1560@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: Sam Users list - first iteration. To: sam users Message-Id: <199610111617_MC1-AC9-540B@compuserve.com> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 664 Lines: 25 > The Sam User List II > -------------------- > > * Denotes it could be totally wrong :) Arne's address is Ok I think -- deleted it by mistake though. Ooops. > *Simon Owen - si@obobo.demon.co.uk Correct, AFAIK > BBKaneda@galactica.it > slawek@math.uni-goettingen.de - Slawomir Grodowski. May no longer be at this address. > 106166.1560@compuserve.com <---- That's Meeeeee > 106350.2555@compuserve.com - one of these is Nev Young I think... > blackadder@orinocco.demon.co.uk - Luke Trevorrow (Lord Blackadder) Now the only question I have is whya re all these people so quiet? Simon Wot me quiet? Possibly just too pissed to find the enter key! Nev. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 11 21:17:31 1996 Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 16:15:55 -0400 From: Neville Young <106166.1560@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Gimme a ROM image... oh go on. To: sam users Message-Id: <199610111616_MC1-AC9-5407@compuserve.com> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 577 Lines: 22 ---------- >> Van: Mr P R Walker >> Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no >> Datum: Thursday, October 10, 1996 11:47 AM >> >> > By copying the ROM in this highly illeagle way you have invalidated any >> > warranty that may have remained on your SAM. A pox on you and all your >> > family. >> >> The worst bit? I'm not sure if he's joking or not... >> >> Paul >> >If I put the ROM through my scanner, would that help, at least you can't >fold in this way. If it would help I could put one of my spare ROMs under a hammer and send the bits serially. Nev. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 11 21:17:59 1996 Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 16:15:57 -0400 From: Neville Young <106166.1560@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: Electronics on the SAM (Was: Re: Simcoupe) To: sam users Message-Id: <199610111616_MC1-AC9-5408@compuserve.com> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 900 Lines: 32 On Thu, 10 Oct 1996 Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk wrote: >> On Thu, 10 Oct 1996 11:50:21 +0100 (BST), Justin Skists said: >> > In case you'd like to know, I'm a Coupe owner (with black feet instead of blue - >> > Why?) >> >> Possibly because you are wearing shoes rather than standing barefoot in a >> bucket of ice... >Not me... tsk.. :) >My SAM! My SAM Coupe has black feet instead of blue... (Maybe I should check my >wording on these emails) I don't know if I've quite got this but are your Sam's feet black because they are not blue or are they not blue because they are black. In the first case is is caused by too little blueness whereas in the latter it is an excess of blackness. My Sam's feet are blue but they used to be white. (-:Good beer this:-) Nev. (106166.1560@compuserve.com if any body's interested) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I wanna proper name. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 11 21:37:00 1996 Posted-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 22:36:05 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <325EABFF.905@pi.net> Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 22:20:15 +0200 From: Stefan Drissen X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: SAM users Subject: Discs with SimCoupe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1853 Lines: 40 Finally managed to grab SimCoupe off NVG and wow! It actually works rather nicely on my P90 - the speed seems to match the original SAM Coupe (albeit a bit faster). Unfortunately, although it does detect my S3 graphics card, it won't allow hi-res graphics (mode 3). Funny thing with mode 3 is that if I switch to mode 3 from basic and list something it is fairly readable, on the other hand if I load up FRED (plug?) the mode 3 text is one big load of garbage. Second point, by far more important than the first: disc reading is very very very crap. Every disc which has been created on a SAM is NOT read! The only discs that work are the more recent FREDs (plug?) which have been duplicated by some machine and actually load a lot slower on my SAM than regular SAM discs. Why is this? And how can I fix it? One final request - how about getting the ol' Adlib to simulate the SA1099? Since the last one was my final request I suppose I've got to add another little niggle: on the start up screen when I press F9 you end up with a blank screen. On a /REAL/ SAM it would have started booting, the first keypress does not simply remove the copyright screen but is also directly used as a keypress. Whatever, GREAT WORK ALLAN!!!!!! -- Stefan Drissen _____ ___ _ ___ ______ ___ ____ / _// \| | /\ | \ | _/ | /\ | \ _/ aka \_ \| || |__ / \| / | _|| |__ / \| / _| of ENTROPY /____/\___/\____\____\_|_\ |_| \____\____\_|_\___\ / \ / Email: drissen@pi.net http://www.pi.net/~drissen \ / Zevende Herven 6,5232 JZ 's-HERTOGENBOSCH,The Netherlands \ / telephone: +31-73-6414969 \ --------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 11 21:49:44 1996 Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 16:48:51 -0400 From: FormatPub@aol.com Message-Id: <961011164851_541297534@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: The Black Feet Gang Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 611 Lines: 21 In a message dated 11/10/96 14:27:23, you write: >> Don't you know that black footed SAMs are worth lots more than blue footed >> machines? Well at least a few pence more anyway. >> >> Another Bruce Gordon *$?!-up. Ordered some feet, did not mention what >colour, >> company used black. > >I thought they were planned actually; thus the grey version of the keyboard. > >*shrugs* >Simon > > No the keyboard was always supposed to be blue(y) gray. The IBM colour ones were a mistake in the far east that led to Bruce getting 6,000 keyboards free. The IBM ones also seem to fail quicker for some reason. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 11 23:21:18 1996 Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 18:20:07 -0400 From: FormatPub@aol.com Message-Id: <961011182006_541357018@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: nvg Sam archive Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 748 Lines: 23 In a message dated 11/10/96 15:18:24, you write: >Sorry, > >But I've just discovered the SAM Coupe archive at nvg (took me long >enough!)... > >Now to download everything.. What are most of the files for? Wouldn't it be >nice if someone would put a sort of descriptive file of all the files in each >directory? Might aswell get everything anyway... > >I'm trying to decide whether to upload Xenozoids - The first, and only, game >I >actually written and completed.. It was written in BASIC and it could be >quite, erm.. how do I put it... embarrasing..... > > Go ahead, at least you finished something - which is more than can be said for many.... And what if it is written in Basic, there has been many a playable game written in Basic before. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 11 23:21:18 1996 Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 18:20:12 -0400 From: FormatPub@aol.com Message-Id: <961011182011_541357086@emout18.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: IRC... Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 495 Lines: 12 In a message dated 11/10/96 15:21:44, you write: >Mailing lists are greats things aren't they? But aren't chat channels >better? I was just wondering if anyone goes on IRC (Undernet) and if >so maybe we could start a little Sam Coupe channel? (By the way, in >case you do go on IRC, my nick is "SparkY"... > > The trouble with chats if you have to be able to type and read at the same time. And anyway, at the speed this mailing list goes these last few days it is nearly as fast as chat. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 11 23:21:19 1996 Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 18:20:14 -0400 From: FormatPub@aol.com Message-Id: <961011182014_541357117@emout01.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam Users list - first iteration. Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 3802 Lines: 84 In a message dated 11/10/96 18:24:08, you write: >Whilst I'm here, what's the score on this SAM ROM business - Andy >Wright wrote it and gave Dave Ledbury permission to publish it in the >Newsdidk and the in SAM Prime. West Coast Computers only bought the >rights to sell the SAM, they did not buy the copyrights did they? Andy Wright wrote the SAM ROM (version 1) under contract with MGT plc. His contract gave him the right to use the code for any future projects that did not infringe upon the interests on MGT. When SAMCO took over, it was agreed that they would pay Andy a royalty on each new ROM in return for him fixing some of the bugs. The copyright of the version 3 ROM is now in the hands myself (but only technically). Why only technically? Well, as is well known (by those that have asked nicely) when SAMCO went down their liquidator was prepared to deal with only one company - he was not interested in selling things of in bits (although one person, who I will not embarrass by naming here - actually offered the liquidator #50 for the rights to SAMCO's Revelation range of software). Anyway. To cut long stories short (got to get the latest issue of FORMAT out or there will be lots of very angry subscribers on my back). I (me, Bob, myself, in person, without aid) signed the deal with the liquidator that gave me (alone, solo, all-mine, nobody else's) the rights to:- SAM - SAMCO's Revelation software, the Tech manual (even though I had already signed that from Alan Miles some months earlier), all the interfaces, the News Discs, in fact - THE LOT. Irrevocable, indivisible, universal rights. Got it. Good. But..... Then I had to sign a contract with WCC for all the hardware. And another with Frank Broughton for the software. But, me no silly (despite what some people may think) and there is a fall-back. SAM will never again come under the liquidators jackboot. Because both contracts include a reversion clause that, if either shut up shot. The rights return to me. OK. So where does that leave us, let me see... Oh Yes, the ROM. Two people have been given limited permission by Andy Wright (condoned by WCC) to produce ROMs. But as these can realistically only be sold to existing SAM users, there is little to argue about is there. However, I would point out that fitting either of these ROMs to your SAM would invalidate any warranty still on the machine - AND BEFORE YOU ALL START - of course very few of you will still have machines under guarantee so I know it is an academic point - but I made it anyway. At the moment, the Coupe Emulator is still under development. It has Andy's permission at this time but the big question is will it infringe the interests of WCC. My opinion, for what it is worth, is that there can never be a better way to run SAM software than on a SAM itself - so, as is happening with the Spectrum emulators, the SAM Emulator will actually result in more people being interested in buying the real thing. From that point of view the emulator may well be considered good advertising for West Coast. But for the moment, there is no commitment either way. So. I think that makes it clear. Please, lets not waste valuable space here arguing fine points - I had hoped that this mailing list would prove to be a productive use of my time so I do not intend to get into long debates. I have stated the facts. That is all. > >And it was interesting to note that a few people responded to my >request for the identity of WCC - the only silent voice? Well, that >of Bob Brenchley - so what's your hidden secret? :-) Sorry, but what the hell are you going on about? > >And do you really have a pussy? :-) Yes, called Vicky, ask Nev or Colin McD. > >Love and hugs, > >Johnna Bob. (C) 1996 Format Publications. All Rights Reserved. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 11 23:25:02 1996 Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 22:24:01 GMT Message-Id: <199610112224.WAA02071@pipe1.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: The Black Feet Gang From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss) Cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Pipeuser: samsboss X-Pipehub: uk.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (Samsboss) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 865 Lines: 36 On Oct 11, 1996 16:48:51, 'FormatPub@aol.com' wrote: >In a message dated 11/10/96 14:27:23, you write: > >>> Don't you know that black footed SAMs are worth lots more than blue footed >>> machines? Well at least a few pence more anyway. >>> >>> Another Bruce Gordon *$?!-up. Ordered some feet, did not mention what >>colour, >>> company used black. >> >>I thought they were planned actually; thus the grey version of the keyboard. >> >>*shrugs* >>Simon >> >> > >No the keyboard was always supposed to be blue(y) gray. The IBM colour ones >were a mistake in the far east that led to Bruce getting 6,000 keyboards >free. The IBM ones also seem to fail quicker for some reason. > >Bob. -- Dem fee,t dem feet, dem black feet.. Hay man, why you always blame dat nice Mr Bruce. He am de nice guy. Hi Bruce. Samsboss The One And Only From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sat Oct 12 01:43:31 1996 Message-Id: <325EF768.5FB99AD2@rmnet.it> Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 02:42:00 +0100 From: "A.D.R." Organization: EuroCom Network Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; Linux 2.0.0 i486) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Discs with SimCoupe References: <325EABFF.905@pi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1260 Lines: 25 Stefan Drissen wrote: > > Second point, by far more important than the first: disc reading is > very very very crap. Every disc which has been created on a SAM is NOT > read! The only discs that work are the more recent FREDs (plug?) which > have been duplicated by some machine and actually load a lot slower on > my SAM than regular SAM discs. Why is this? And how can I fix it? > I experienced the same thing some months ago when I tried to use dd (Linux proggie to read a disk as an image) and that samdisk utility (don't remember the exact name) under msdos on my PC to read SAM disks. It worked only with recent Fred copies. On the other hand everything worked perfectly on the PC of a friend of mine, no problems whatsoever. The reason must be somehow in the different disk drives, I have a TEAC and the friend of mine has a Panasonic because the problem is exactly the same under Linux and DOS (so it shouldn't be a bug or an OS dependent problem). _ (_ i a o, Arne %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%( Arne Di Russo )%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% | Roma, Italy (EU) - ar@RMnet.it - http://digiserve.com/ar/ | %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% \...................> powered by LINUX 2.0 <......................./ From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sat Oct 12 02:18:09 1996 Message-Id: <325EFF7F.1D12B459@rmnet.it> Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 03:16:31 +0100 From: "A.D.R." Organization: EuroCom Network Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; Linux 2.0.0 i486) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam Users list - first iteration. References: <9610110700.AA14365@asmal.edh-net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1070 Lines: 30 Frode Tenneboe wrote: > > > Maybe because traffic is already high on this list?! :-) > > What makes you say that? :) Hmmm, the size of my mailbox every evening.... ;-) > > Would anyone be interested if I did a CD-ROM containing > > the whole SAM ftp archive (nvg.unit.no)? > > OK, if you a) don't mind making a SCSI interface for the > SAM and b) allows for massive overkill as the SAM archive > is measly 38Mb. How about changing that guys!? Well, I intended it mainly for people who have access to a CD-ROM drive on a PC a Mac or a Unix workstation but I just thought, shouldn't it be possible to connect an IDE CD-ROM drive to the SAM IDE interface? (of course drivers are needed but I wonder if it would work at hardware level) Stefan, mabe you could try this? _ (_ i a o, Arne %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%( Arne Di Russo )%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% | Roma, Italy (EU) - ar@RMnet.it - http://digiserve.com/ar/ | %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% \...................> powered by LINUX 2.0 <......................./ From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sat Oct 12 07:42:11 1996 Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 07:21:35 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <18591@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: The Black Feet Gang X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 509 Lines: 23 In message <210677645C5@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> "j.d.teare" writes: > Bob, > > >There are lots of black footed SAMs around, in fact since 1995 most > >new SAMs have had black feet. > > So that's hardly any then? Thanks to WCC's excellent SAM > promotions... > > Johnna. > Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.. I know cos I use it myself! I am not sure I need a back biting discussion on this list actually. Perhaps a SAM Strategy for the future might be more constructive. Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sat Oct 12 07:42:11 1996 Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 07:25:34 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <18592@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Electronics on the SAM (Was: Re: Simcoupe) X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 260 Lines: 12 I thought CIS were allowing proper names now? Maybe you have to pay for them. My SAMs feet are blue, but a friends has no feet as its on a rubber mat to stop it slippung and he lost the feet while sorting out a duff crystal. Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sat Oct 12 08:41:05 1996 Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 07:40:01 GMT Message-Id: <199610120740.HAA23152@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Discs with SimCoupe From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss) Cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Pipeuser: samsboss X-Pipehub: uk.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (Samsboss) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1705 Lines: 41 On Oct 12, 1996 02:42:00, '"A.D.R." ' wrote: >Stefan Drissen wrote: >> >> Second point, by far more important than the first: disc reading is >> very very very crap. Every disc which has been created on a SAM is NOT >> read! The only discs that work are the more recent FREDs (plug?) which >> have been duplicated by some machine and actually load a lot slower on >> my SAM than regular SAM discs. Why is this? And how can I fix it? >> >I experienced the same thing some months ago when I tried to use >dd (Linux proggie to read a disk as an image) and that samdisk >utility (don't remember the exact name) under msdos on my PC to >read SAM disks. It worked only with recent Fred copies. >On the other hand everything worked perfectly on the PC of a >friend of mine, no problems whatsoever. >The reason must be somehow in the different disk drives, I have >a TEAC and the friend of mine has a Panasonic because the problem >is exactly the same under Linux and DOS (so it shouldn't be a bug >or an OS dependent problem). >_ >(_ i a o, Arne > >%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%( Arne Di Russo )%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% >| Roma, Italy (EU) - ar@RMnet.it - http://digiserve.com/ar/ | >%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% >\...................> powered by LINUX 2.0 <......................./ BIOS! No I'm not swaring. The problem is different BIOSs. Some will not allow the reading of the 10th sector in 720K mode. I know, I've been trying to write a utility to load SAM discs on my 386 portable and it just will not do what I want - but at uni it would run on the 486 machine AOK. -- Samsboss The One And Only From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sat Oct 12 11:41:31 1996 Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 11:39:47 +0100 (BST) From: "A.S. Collier" X-Sender: asc25@blue.csi.cam.ac.uk To: Sam-users Subject: It's Ian's Birthday! Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 118 Lines: 7 Happy Birthday to You, Happy Birthday to You, Happy Birthday dear imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Happy Birthday to You. Andrew From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sat Oct 12 11:55:16 1996 Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 11:54:20 +0100 (BST) From: "A.S. Collier" X-Sender: asc25@blue.csi.cam.ac.uk To: SAM users Subject: Re: Discs with SimCoupe In-Reply-To: <325EABFF.905@pi.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1499 Lines: 30 On Fri, 11 Oct 1996, Stefan Drissen wrote: > Second point, by far more important than the first: disc reading is > very very very crap. Every disc which has been created on a SAM is NOT > read! The only discs that work are the more recent FREDs (plug?) which > have been duplicated by some machine and actually load a lot slower on > my SAM than regular SAM discs. Why is this? And how can I fix it? Well I don't know about the SimCoupe problem, but as far as I can tell, recent FREDs have loaded slowly because the new duplicators don't know about the track skewing which SamDos uses. When Sam formats a disk, sector 1 on track 0 is lined up with sector 10 on track 1, so that the computer has a little more time to get its act together before the data of sector 1 has started. It seems that other systems don't do this, so the disk has to make an extra revolution between tracks, because sector 1 has gone past by the time the sytem has worked out that it was needed. (Try loading a screen$ from one of the FRED disks, and you'll notice it loads in chunks of 5K - one track - at a time.) I mentioned this in a letter to Colin, so perhaps it will be fixed soon. In the meantime the only thing you can do is to backup your recent FRED collection, format the disks properly to get the skewing right, then put the data back on them. Note that even these disks have ten sectors, and if they work then the SimCoupe problem isn't as simple as being unable to load a tenth sector. Andrew From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sat Oct 12 12:13:32 1996 Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 12:12:42 +0100 (BST) From: "A.S. Collier" X-Sender: asc25@blue.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam Users list - first iteration. In-Reply-To: <325EFF7F.1D12B459@rmnet.it> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1730 Lines: 44 > > > Would anyone be interested if I did a CD-ROM containing > > > the whole SAM ftp archive (nvg.unit.no)? > > > > OK, if you a) don't mind making a SCSI interface for the > > SAM and b) allows for massive overkill as the SAM archive > > is measly 38Mb. How about changing that guys!? > > Well, I intended it mainly for people who have access to a > CD-ROM drive on a PC a Mac or a Unix workstation but I > just thought, shouldn't it be possible to connect an IDE > CD-ROM drive to the SAM IDE interface? (of course drivers > are needed but I wonder if it would work at hardware level) > > Stefan, mabe you could try this? > Well hang about a while because I may be uploading some of my own stuff in the not too distant future. First I need to find out what exactly is already there though....... These computers don't have UNZIP.... or Teledisk.... Computer manager doesn't want people installing applications... this could be tricky.... Also, inspired by the difficulties I've had so far in getting things to work I'd probably do all the compression at the Sam end, and maybe even add a boot sector so we don't have to worry about start address, call addresses etc etc. What do you think? Oh, and I'm only doing this if MNEMOtech gets a folder like Entropy and ESI etc..... Andrew MM MM NN NN EEEEEE MM MM OOOO TTTTTTTT EEEEEE CCCCC HH HH MMM MMM NNN NN EE MMM MMM OO OO TT EE CC CC HH HH MMMMMMM NNNNNN EEEE MMMMMMM OO OO TT EEEE CC HHHHHHH MM M MM NN NNN EE MM M MM OO OO TT EE CC CC HH HH MM MM NN NN EEEEEE MM MM OOOO TT EEEEEE CCCCC HH HH WE PUT THE M IN CODIMNG From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sat Oct 12 12:32:00 1996 Message-Id: <199610121131.MAA11277@mail.enterprise.net> X-Authentication-Warning: mail.enterprise.net: Host max04-205.enterprise.net [194.72.197.205] didn't use HELO protocol From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave Whitmore) Subject: The Black Feet Gang References: <210677645C5@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> X-Newsreader: Spot 1.3/NetGate 1.1 Mime-Version: 1.1 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 12:30:58 +0100 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 883 Lines: 28 * Cross-Reply from area 'ML-SAM.USERS' (ML-SAM.USERS) In a message of 11 Oct 96 j.d.teare wrote to sam-users@nvg.unit.no: Hi j.d.teare, jdt> So that's hardly any then? Thanks to WCC's excellent SAM promotions.. Remember me? :)) Isn't Bob an arse! He has only been in the mailing list for a short time and he's acting as though he owns it. He answered your post, but he still didn't say who WCC are. He say's he hasn't got time to talk about the subject. It is only because he doesn't want people to know that he is only - and he has only ever been interested in SAM for what it can do for him. Now Brian Gaff (a mate of Bob's) steps in and call's it all "back-biting". All people want is some truth for a change. BTW, your old mate Robert is on the net now.. did you know? And how are you? :) Bye, _ |_)ave (/\)hitmore email - davewhitmore@enterprise.net From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sat Oct 12 14:13:21 1996 Posted-Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 15:12:09 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <325F6967.790A@pi.net> Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 11:48:23 +0200 From: Stefan Drissen X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Discs with SimCoupe References: <199610120740.HAA23152@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1320 Lines: 30 Samsboss wrote: > BIOS! > > No I'm not swaring. The problem is different BIOSs. Some will not allow the > reading of the 10th sector in 720K mode. I know, I've been trying to write > a utility to load SAM discs on my 386 portable and it just will not do what > I want - but at uni it would run on the 486 machine AOK. At first I thought that this was a reasonable answer. It does seem a bit odd that more modern BIOS's will not allow reading the 10th sector (I think that I can safely assume that the BIOS in my P90 can be considered modern). However, since when is FRED produced using only 9 sectors? As I stated (and Arne confirmed) recent issues of FRED work fine! This, in my view, discards the BIOS theory. -- Stefan Drissen _____ ___ _ ___ ______ ___ ____ / _// \| | /\ | \ | _/ | /\ | \ _/ aka \_ \| || |__ / \| / | _|| |__ / \| / _| of ENTROPY /____/\___/\____\____\_|_\ |_| \____\____\_|_\___\ / \ / Email: drissen@pi.net http://www.pi.net/~drissen \ / Zevende Herven 6,5232 JZ 's-HERTOGENBOSCH,The Netherlands \ / telephone: +31-73-6414969 \ --------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sat Oct 12 14:13:22 1996 Posted-Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 15:12:05 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <325F6408.6075@pi.net> Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 11:25:28 +0200 From: Stefan Drissen X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam Users list - first iteration. References: <9610110700.AA14365@asmal.edh-net> <325EFF7F.1D12B459@rmnet.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2308 Lines: 48 A.D.R. wrote: > Well, I intended it mainly for people who have access to a > CD-ROM drive on a PC a Mac or a Unix workstation but I > just thought, shouldn't it be possible to connect an IDE > CD-ROM drive to the SAM IDE interface? (of course drivers > are needed but I wonder if it would work at hardware level) > > Stefan, mabe you could try this? Hmmmm, with my very limited hardware knowledge I can't see why this wouldn't work. After all IDE CD-rom drives are hooked up to a normal IDE interface on a PC aren't they? Although I do have access to an IDE CD-rom drive, I don't think the owner will be too happy with me experimenting with it... let alone me having the time. :( Funnily enough I /STILL/ haven't used the IDE interface I bought at the last show in Gloucester... I wish it had had a warning to go along with it telling you that it did NOT work on ALL IDE drives (personally I reckon that SEAGATE is a pretty big brand). Another nice thing would have been some full techy information on how to access the drive directly. The fact that all the supplied little basic programs have hardly any documentation is disgraceful! Just in case anyone is interested I uploaded a (comet) source file (BIOS.TXT) to NVG a while ago (which I did mention at the time), which should allow you to do your basic reading and writing of the harddrive. There is a small error in the source though. At the time I was not aware that you were able to do a hardware reset of the drive, this is accomplished by the commands which have lots of questionmarks behind them in the source. Have there been any updates on the HDOS yet Nev? It has been a long time since anything has been done.... -- Stefan Drissen _____ ___ _ ___ ______ ___ ____ / _// \| | /\ | \ | _/ | /\ | \ _/ aka \_ \| || |__ / \| / | _|| |__ / \| / _| of ENTROPY /____/\___/\____\____\_|_\ |_| \____\____\_|_\___\ / \ / Email: drissen@pi.net http://www.pi.net/~drissen \ / Zevende Herven 6,5232 JZ 's-HERTOGENBOSCH,The Netherlands \ / telephone: +31-73-6414969 \ ---------------------------------------------------------------