From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 16 14:05:20 1996 Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 14:37:04 -0400 From: FormatPub@aol.com Message-Id: <961015143704_127320685@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SIMM Memory Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 264 Lines: 7 If we used 4x30 pin SIMM sockets then you could fit 1Mb, 4Mb, 16Mb or any combinations tot he 16Mb max. Ok, Andy Wright's MasterDOS routines for working out how much expanded memory is attached would need to be changed but that should not be too difficult. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 16 14:05:21 1996 Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 17:53:13 GMT Message-Id: <199610151753.RAA03047@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Let's clear the air then. From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) Cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Pipeuser: samsboss X-Pipehub: uk.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 347 Lines: 15 On Oct 15, 1996 14:58:35, '"Gavin Smith" ' wrote: >Erm is it just me or does everyone get at least two copies of >Stefan's mail (inside the same mail). I also get bits and pieces of >mails from OTHER people inside these mails... >?!! > >Gavin Smith -- Not me, only one copy here. Samsboss The One And Only From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 16 14:05:21 1996 Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 14:37:05 -0400 From: FormatPub@aol.com Message-Id: <961015143704_127320706@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: The Black Feet Gang Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 377 Lines: 12 In a message dated 15/10/96 11:03:55, you write: >'m just going to write to defend Bob's personal attack on Dave >Ledbury - his heart was in the right place, even if his business >acumen was not as sharp as it might have been. > >Johnna > > Not as sharp? None existant would give him too much credit. To which there are other charges that I will not air in mixed company. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 16 14:05:39 1996 Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 15:02:02 -0400 From: FormatPub@aol.com Message-Id: <961015150201_543656096@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Let's clear the air then. Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 867 Lines: 26 In a message dated 15/10/96 17:00:26, you write: >Personally, I have been very disappointed in writing games (I know I started >too late, I should have started in 1983 or something, but in that year I got >my first computer). If I ever write a game again (maybe when the company I >work for goes down :( (sp?)) I probably make it PD again. While PD has its place on machines where there is a lot of commercial software, I think that most people in the SAM world would reather pay something for their software and help keep programmers programming. If there is no incentive, it is to east to say "oh well, I'll finish that program sometime" and then never get round to it. > >As for serious software (on the Sam), forget it, it's not serious ;) > Do you mean SAM or the software? Either way, I have to disagree. >David Gommeren >(gommerd@interpac.be) > > > Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 16 14:05:40 1996 Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 15:02:16 -0400 From: FormatPub@aol.com Message-Id: <961015150215_543656258@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Mailer quibbles Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 535 Lines: 14 Understood your reply Ian. Are things really that old fashioned? Oh well, I've got problems then. The AOL mailer word-wraps according to the size of the window. There is no way of knowing how long a line is in characters. It uses a proportional typeface (and I can't find a way of altering that). Now I could go back to using a DOS based word-processor - but then I would have to load the text into a windows word-processor and cut it to the clipboard, boot AOL's mailer and then paste. Sorry, but there must be a better way. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 16 14:05:48 1996 Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 15:02:17 -0400 From: FormatPub@aol.com Message-Id: <961015150216_543656265@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Double messages Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 107 Lines: 6 No double messages received here. Brian Gaff did have a similar problem a few weeks bac (I think). Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 16 14:05:48 1996 Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 15:08:02 -0400 From: Neville Young <106166.1560@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Newsgroups and other animals To: sam users Message-Id: <199610151508_MC1-AE2-697C@compuserve.com> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 296 Lines: 17 >On Mon, 14 Oct 1996 16:10:07 -0400, Neville Young said: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> Dont know about any one else but I'm only online for about two mins. >> at about 19:30. ^^^^^^^^^^^ >Huh? >imc Pay attention ! receive at 19:30. (BST/GMT) send replies later. Got it? Nev. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 16 14:05:49 1996 Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 15:07:58 -0400 From: Neville Young <106166.1560@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: SIMM Memory To: sam users Message-Id: <199610151508_MC1-AE2-697B@compuserve.com> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 559 Lines: 26 on Tue, 15 Oct 96 15:20 BST (Andrew M Gale) wrote >Can someone just check if this is right for me, please... >(I don't have a meg, but this is what I gather): >* The memory appears at 8000h-ffffh when XMEML goes low. yep >* The bank at 8000h-bfffh is determined by port 128 yep >* The bank at c000h-ffffh is determined by port 129 yep >* Ports 128 & 129 are write-only. yep >Also, aside from the DRAMs themselves, roughly how many >i.c.'s does the Bruce's Meg have? 8 x MEM256 2 x 74LS374 2 X 74LS157 1 X 74LS138 1 X 74LS139 1 X 74LS32 1 X GAL16V8 Nev. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 16 14:05:49 1996 Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 16:37:48 -0400 From: Neville Young <106166.1560@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Extending the BASIC.. - Reply To: sam users Message-Id: <199610151638_MC1-AEF-97B4@compuserve.com> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1068 Lines: 45 >> > Have you tried LLIST #16 in the above? >> > I had an idea that LLIST expands tokens, but am not sure. >> >> LLIST == LIST so I very much doubt it. :-) >I've done this by using LLIST but there were also two pokes >that needed to be done (I think they were in an article in ZAT) >as well. >I'll have a dig around tonight if I remember. >Dan. Try this: 10 REM divert "B" channel to a string 20 divert 30 LLIST 40 REM normal again 50 revert 60 PRINT a$ 70 REM or PRINT to a disk file, now we have ASCII listing 80 DEF PROC DIVERT 90 LET lf status=DPEEK SVAR 14 100 LET vector=DPEEK FN CHANS(25) 110 POKE SVAR 14,255,0 120 DPOKE FN CHANS(25),DPEEK FN CHANS(20) 130 RECORD TO a$ 140 RECORD STOP 150 END PROC : 160 DEF PROC REVERT 170 DPOKE SVAR 14,lf status 180 DPOKE FN CHANS(25),vector 190 END PROC : 200 DEF FN ROM_VERSION=PEEK 15: 210 DEF FN CHANS(n)=DPEEK SVAR 591+n: The whole thing is now an ASCII string in A$. I'm sure you can modify it. Or get a copy of PC suite from me cos it's built in. Nev From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 16 14:15:43 1996 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Dean Liversidge Organization: The Mad House To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 00:18:18 +0000 Subject: Re: Discs problems with SimCoupe Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.32a) Message-Id: <845421569.6553.0@error.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1465 Lines: 34 > Hi Guys, Hi > Lets just get one thing straight about Linux and SimCoupe - Linux, > DOES NOT use the PC BIOS (BIOS is real mode stuff and Linux ALWAYS > runs in protected mode). Now if everyone is using SimCoupe from the > boot/root disks then the problem cannot lie in the kernel OR the > device files. The problem must lie in the disks themselves. I am > using the Linux device driver for 80 track double sided 10 > sector/track disks - /dev/fdH800 in UNIX speak, if the disk is in > this form (and as far as I know SAM disks are) it should work. Well, I finally got around to downloading Teledisk and creating the boot and root disks for SimCoupe. Well the emulator works, with a few lock-ups in reading the keyboard, especialy the ENTER key, but it would not read the 2 or 3 floppy disks athat i tried to load DOS in from, including the latest FRED and a Comet work disk i used on SAM. Maybe i was doing something wrong, i'll have to read a bit more and see, but all I got was a lot of clunking as the drived seemed to be trying to read a sector/track that wasn't there. I'll try again tomorrow. Bye, -- Dean Liversidge .__ . , Co-Sysop of Dalmation BBS | \ _.|._ _ _.-+-* _ ._ The First SAM Bulletin Board |__/(_]|[ | )(_] | |(_)[ ) Saturday 12:00pm till midnight. >>>>>>> +44 1744 614150 >>>>>> Sysop: Dave Whitmore From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 16 14:17:47 1996 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Dean Liversidge Organization: The Mad House To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 00:18:18 +0000 Subject: Re: SIMM Memory Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.32a) Message-Id: <845421569.6554.0@error.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1309 Lines: 28 > > Sorry Bob, I've got to disagree with you there, I reckon that 30 > > pin SIMM's will be out in a couple of years. They're already about > > 4 times the price of 72pin memory, albeit a hell of a lot cheaper > > than DIL memory chips at about 4 UKP per 256K * 4bit chip, 8 per > > MB. > > > > Surely the point is to use the glut of 30-pin SIMMs lying > around at the moment - secondhand. Nobody wants these > 1MegX9 bit SIMMS, so they are going for peanuts. Yes, > the source may dry up, but not for ages as far as I can see, But then it wouldn't be much good as a commersial project for Bob, would it, and not really an alternative to the normal 1Mb mem expansion. Unless it was sold as a memory carrier module for your own memory purchases. And the memory isn't going for 'peanuts', all the ads i've seen lately people still want too much money for it. ie. 1Mb 30pin new = 12 UKP some people are selling the 2nd hand at 10 UKP, 4 Mb 72pin = 14 UKP. Bye -- Dean Liversidge .__ . , Co-Sysop of Dalmation BBS | \ _.|._ _ _.-+-* _ ._ The First SAM Bulletin Board |__/(_]|[ | )(_] | |(_)[ ) Saturday 12:00pm till midnight. >>>>>>> +44 1744 614150 >>>>>> Sysop: Dave Whitmore From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 16 14:17:57 1996 Message-Id: <199610160959.KAA07130@mail.enterprise.net> From: David Munden To: sam-users Subject: Simcoupe Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 10:55:19 +0100 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 371 Lines: 10 I have just got hold of the boot disk version of sim coupe and I was wondering why does it insist I have two disk drives installed when my pc only has one 3 1/2 inch drive? Also I have been wondering is it possible to make the emulator use some pc memory to emulate the 1mb memory upgrade since I`m sure that the emulator doesn`t use all the pc memory. David Munden From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 16 14:18:07 1996 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 07:58:43 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9610160658.AA01150@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SIMM Memory X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1019 Lines: 25 > i > Depends what kind of newsgroup. A 'comp' newsgroup needs at a minimum > i > 100 voters, which I daresay is more than there are here. On the other hand, > i > I don't think an 'alt' newsgroup is particularly appropriate, and I don't > i > recall seeing any 'uk' computer newsgroups. > > > 100 more YES votes and at least 2/3 of the total votes to be YES. I don't > > Which agrees with what I said. :-) [in the minimum case there will be zero > no votes and 100 yes votes]. I didn't say it wasn't correct. I merely filled in as the minimum case is not likely to happen as there are about a million or so news administrators that would love one newsgroup less. > > > think that is realistic. And the 'uk' hiearchy won't be much good, i'm > > affraid... > > Don't you get uk newsgroups over there? Deja news certainly does. _I_ get them (cus' I work in a multinational company), but I'm pretty sure there are a few out there that don't get the 'uk' groups. I certainly didn't get them at school. -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 16 14:18:15 1996 Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 08:36:23 +0100 (BST) From: Si Owen To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SIMM Memory In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Organisation: Wordcraft International Ltd. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 650 Lines: 15 On Mon, 14 Oct 1996, Andrew M Gale wrote: > I have seen *new* 1Meg 30-pin SIMMs going for just 9 pounds. Wow. You can buy *new* 16Meg 72-pin SIMMs for 72 quid+VAT - it was as low as 57 quid+VAT a couple of weeks ago... prices going up again! Si /------------------------------------+----------------------------------------\ | Si Owen | Home: si@obobo.demon.co.uk | | Wordcraft International Ltd, UK | Work: sowen@wordcraft.co.uk | | Fax: +44-1332-295525 | WWW: www.obobo.demon.co.uk | \------------------------------------+----------------------------------------/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 16 14:18:35 1996 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 08:35:49 GMT From: "Brian Gaff Sam Dept." Message-Id: <18843@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Let's clear the air then. X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 592 Lines: 23 In message <9610151015.AA2635@worldcom-37.worldcom.com> Stefan Drissen writes: > > >Stefan, stop sending everything twice.. or is this yet another > >quirk of your Email system! :-) > > > >Brian > > Hmmm???? Sorry Brian, but I have not got a clue as to what you're going on > about! As far as I can tell I'm only getting one copy of my messages - this is > also true for my home account. Hasn't /YOUR/ mail system done this kind of > thing before???? :-) > > Stefan > > Well the last batch of your mail all got here twice. Seems OK today though. Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 16 14:18:35 1996 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 11:43:28 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9610161043.AA01557@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Let's clear the air then. Cc: gommerd@mail.interpac.be X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 64 Lines: 5 [one million lines of text deleted] Naughty David! :) -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 16 14:18:36 1996 From: "j.d.teare" Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 18:36:35 GMT+0 Subject: Re: Lordy lawks...any chance of a game? Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-Id: <26F8E332750@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 200 Lines: 7 David...Batz and Balls was fantastic, Tetris was great - we just wanted more...any chance? And I think demos, whilst having no ultimate purpose, are hugely entertaining pieces of software. Johnna From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 16 14:18:58 1996 Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 15:02:17 -0400 From: FormatPub@aol.com Message-Id: <961015150216_543656278@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: THE GLOUCESTER SHOW Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 46 Lines: 5 SATURDAY 26TH OCTOBER Be there please. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 16 14:19:09 1996 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 08:24:47 +0100 (BST) From: Si Owen To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Discs with SimCoupe In-Reply-To: <961014184844_543053161@emout16.mail.aol.com> Message-Id: Organisation: Wordcraft International Ltd. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1578 Lines: 36 Anyone after FDFORMAT can get it from: ftp.tu-clausthal.de as /pub/msdos/utils/dskutl/fdformat.zip The command-line to use is: FDFORMAT A: /T80 /N10 /C2 This creates a DOS usable disk (after FDREAD is loaded). To create a perfectly blank Sam disk you need to clear the first couple of sectors of track 1: FOR S=1 TO 10 : WRITE AT 1,0,S,32768 : NEXT S should do After some experimenting, I've found that Teledisk can't copy the disks correctly, and formats them in its own version of 10 spt. This means it might be worth distributing disks in another format instead of using Teledisk - how about a zipped version of the image that SAMDISK spits out? (blah.zip containing blah.img ?) I will add these type of images to my web site later today... Under Linux: dd if=/dev/fd0D800 of=Disk.img to create an image from a disk dd if=/Disk.img of=/dev/fd0D800 to expand an image to a disk Under MS-DOS: Follow the instructions in SAMDISK.EXE (does this work under Win95/NT?) Now that I've got SimCoupe running some software, I'm even more impressed with it (well done Allan!). btw... where do I get a version of Flash that has the mouse option enabled? Si /------------------------------------+----------------------------------------\ | Si Owen | Home: si@obobo.demon.co.uk | | Wordcraft International Ltd, UK | Work: sowen@wordcraft.co.uk | | Fax: +44-1332-295525 | WWW: www.obobo.demon.co.uk | \------------------------------------+----------------------------------------/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 16 14:19:09 1996 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 09:32:33 GMT Message-Id: <199610160932.JAA23009@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: No Mail Today From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) Cc: Sam List X-Pipeuser: samsboss X-Pipehub: uk.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 328 Lines: 10 I think this is the first time for weeks I've logged on and found not amil for the Sam User's section. Did everyone go to a party last night and not invite me? :-( By the way. I've got six meg of 256K simms. So Iwould like the new interface (if its not just hot air) to allow me to use them. Samsboss The One And Only From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 16 14:19:20 1996 Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 17:53:17 GMT Message-Id: <199610151753.RAA03052@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SIMM Memory From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) Cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Pipeuser: samsboss X-Pipehub: uk.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1310 Lines: 42 On Oct 15, 1996 15:20:45, 'ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale)' wrote: >> Sorry Bob, I've got to disagree with you there, I reckon that 30 pin SIMM's >> will be out in a couple of years. They're already about 4 times the price >> of 72pin memory, albeit a hell of a lot cheaper than DIL memory chips at >> about 4 UKP per 256K * 4bit chip, 8 per MB. >> > >Surely the point is to use the glut of 30-pin SIMMs lying >around at the moment - secondhand. Nobody wants these >1MegX9 bit SIMMS, so they are going for peanuts. Yes, >the source may dry up, but not for ages as far as I can see, > >Can someone just check if this is right for me, please... >(I don't have a meg, but this is what I gather): > >* The memory appears at 8000h-ffffh when XMEML goes low. >* The bank at 8000h-bfffh is determined by port 128 >* The bank at c000h-ffffh is determined by port 129 >* Ports 128 & 129 are write-only. > >Also, aside from the DRAMs themselves, roughly how many >i.c.'s does the Bruce's Meg have? > >-ANdy > -- 1xHCT32 Quad 2 input OR gate 2xHCT157 Quad 2 line to 1 line Data selector/multiplexer 1x74LS138 3 to 8 line decoder with inverted outputs 2x74LS374 Quad D-type Flip-flop 1x74LS139 2 to 4 line decoder with inverted outputs + the GAL Samsboss The One And Only From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 16 14:19:20 1996 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 08:13:52 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9610160713.AA01161@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SIMM Memory X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1105 Lines: 23 > Am I right is saying that the largest 30 pin SIMMs are 4Mb? Because if that > is the case then we could go up to 16Mb with the addition of an extra address > port to switch the banks. I believe you can have up to 32Mb on a SIMM. But SIMMs can be quite a lot of things. You have 30 pins with and without parity (8 bit/9 bit), but not all 30 pins are SIMM - you also got SIPP. And then you have 72 pins... > > The big expence would be the board. A proper double sided one, with through > plating ect, would cost about 12 to 15 pounds each on a batch of 50 plus a > fee for setting up the board if we could not give them a proper CAD file to > work from. > > 30 pin SIMM memory will still be with us for several years because there are > millions of Mbytes of it out there just waiting to be recycled onto SAM. Hmm..that is not entirely the fact these days. Actually, the price of used SIMMs have been higher than the price of new EDO RAM. There is a lot of 386/486 out there with only limited memory and there has been a lot of trading in used SIMMs. They might not be that easy to come by. -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 16 14:19:40 1996 Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 14:37:07 -0400 From: FormatPub@aol.com Message-Id: <961015143706_127320720@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: unsubscribe Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 401 Lines: 24 In a message dated 15/10/96 12:56:28, you write: > >ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! !! >> >> When are people going to start keeping a copy of the info file they get >when >> they're subscribed to this list? >> >> It's so *INFURIATING* when people do this kind of thing. >> >> Simon >> >> > >What info file? :) > >DMZ >=== > > Yes, what info file? From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 16 14:19:40 1996 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 08:55:09 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9610160755.AA01178@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam Users list - first iteration. X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 396 Lines: 16 > > OK, if you a) don't mind making a SCSI interface for the > > SAM and b) allows for massive overkill as the SAM archive > > is measly 38Mb. How about changing that guys!? > > Add the Spectrum archive? About 250Mb... > > > BTW: Why aren't there any gals around here? > > Why? Aren't you happily (sp?) married :) Well, gals generally gives more life to computer related items. :) -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 16 14:19:52 1996 Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 17:28:50 GMT Message-Id: <199610151728.RAA14276@pipe1.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SIMM Memory From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) Cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Pipeuser: samsboss X-Pipehub: uk.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2545 Lines: 74 On Oct 15, 1996 12:43:51, 'Dean Liversidge ' wrote: >> From: FormatPub@aol.com >> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no >> Subject: Re: SIMM Memory >> Date: Monday, 14 October 1996 19:47 >> >> In a message dated 14/10/96 08:27:39, you write: > >> My idea, on which I would love to hear comments, would be for an >interface >> (external I would think) that would hold 1 to 4 off 30 pin SIMMs. This >would >> give up to 4Mb of RAM addressable in the same way as the 1Mb units. >> >> Am I right is saying that the largest 30 pin SIMMs are 4Mb? Because if >that >> is the case then we could go up to 16Mb with the addition of an extra >address >> port to switch the banks. >> >> The big expence would be the board. A proper double sided one, with >through >> plating ect, would cost about 12 to 15 pounds each on a batch of 50 plus >a >> fee for setting up the board if we could not give them a proper CAD file >to >> work from. >> >> 30 pin SIMM memory will still be with us for several years because there >are >> millions of Mbytes of it out there just waiting to be recycled onto SAM. > >Sorry Bob, I've got to disagree with you there, I reckon that 30 pin SIMM's >will be out in a couple of years. They're already about 4 times the price >of 72pin memory, albeit a hell of a lot cheaper than DIL memory chips at >about 4 UKP per 256K * 4bit chip, 8 per MB. > >I had the very same idea a while back, same as Cooke too ;-), to have a new >SAM motherboard with 6 SIMM sockets on, 2 * 256K + 4 * 1MB. but I don't >think that it will ever be realised. > >Now that Pentium based PC are the 'standard' now and the newer 'DIMM' >memory modules are starting, the 72pin SIMM will, in the not too distant >future start to die, or become overly expensive. > >This will put the memory module into a similar situation as the internal >floppy drive were it 'was' very expensive to replace the drive because of >the 'stupid' idea of putting the drive controller in with the drive unit! >instead of just leaving an empty socket on the motherboard for it to be >placed it and using industry standard drives. > >Bye >Dean >-- > -- 72 pin simms have just doubled in price. Also, it has been anounced that the 8Mb simm has followed the 4Mb into non-production. This would meen that the smallest 72pin moudual would be 16Mb Sorry, but I agree with Bob, an interface with as many 30pin slots as there is room for and then you can put in as much as you can. Samsboss The One And Only From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 16 14:20:15 1996 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 08:37:34 GMT From: "Brian Gaff Sam Dept." Message-Id: <18844@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: The Black Feet Gang X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 771 Lines: 26 In message <26836227D43@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> "j.d.teare" writes: > Erm...my last message made noe sense at all. I was sticking up for > David, alright? > > Johnna > I think the situation with David is that he infuriates them by affreeing things in good faith, then doing something else. It has happened to me as well. I do afree that he means well. It just sometimes seems he is his own worst enemy. I would go as far as saying he does not relise he has done it, so when the irate letters arrive he feels everyone is out to get him, which is not actually true. Lets just say he is not the person I would chose to rely on if climbing a mountain. :-) Some Mothers do 'Ave 'em was a classic TV show... Now what made me think of that? Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 16 14:20:54 1996 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 08:56:07 GMT From: "Brian Gaff Sam Dept." Message-Id: <18845@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam Users list - Arguments R Us? X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 317 Lines: 11 OK, I am going to Monitir for a week. I have seen personal attacks, Discussions about line length, Linus, disc hardware in Amiga, (or lack of it!) etc. I have waded through it all and really found stuff truly SAM related rather thin on the ground. I may have to unsub if it goes on. Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 16 14:23:37 1996 From: "j.d.teare" Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 18:32:16 GMT+0 Subject: Re: CD Nightclubs... Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-Id: <26F6D183F96@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 635 Lines: 17 >> > Would anyone be interested if I did a CD-ROM containing >> > the whole SAM ftp archive (nvg.unit.no)? >> >>OK, if you a) don't mind making a SCSI interface for the >> SAM and b) allows for massive overkill as the SAM archive >> is measly 38Mb. How about changing that guys!? >Add the Spectrum archive? Unless you stuck to stuff that had been declared Freeware, or just included the demos and stuff, it would be hihgly illegal. The only reason the Speccy stuff is ignored is because much of it is stored in Slovakia where the copyright laws are non-existent. A great idea, but check your material first methinks. Johnna From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 16 14:26:53 1996 Message-Id: <199610152142.WAA07747@mail.enterprise.net> X-Authentication-Warning: mail.enterprise.net: Host max06-070.enterprise.net [194.72.198.70] didn't use HELO protocol From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: The Black Feet Gang Date: 15 Oct 1996 22:36:17 X-Newsreader: Spot 1.3/NetGate 1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 6997 Lines: 123 In a message of 14 Oct 96 FormatPub@aol.com wrote to sam-users@nvg.unit.no: Hi FormatPub@aol.com, Fac> Alan and Bruce had their way (a way that they sometimes regretted I Fac> have to say), West Coast have a different way. It may not be a straight Fac> answer, but it is a straight question - why would you want to know? Do Fac> you know who runs every company you deal with? No. I thought not. As Fac> far as West Coast is concerned, they allow Format Publications to Fac> handle their UK sales (and overseas mail-order). That arrangement was Fac> made because otherwise they were not prepared to continue SAM Fac> sales/production because of the high overheads of staff. Well Alan and Bruce's "way" was far more successful than WCC's strategy as far as I can see. Alan and Bruce were always willing to talk to the users. They sold machines and got things done. The elusiveness of the people who are supposed to be WCC makes the believability of their existence about as credible as Father Xmas! Why can't you just tell us who the MD of WCC is? I don't believe that I have ever come across a firm who have been so reluctant to tell their customers who they are. This is all seriously weird Bob.. weird! >> But if you don't run things, why do you assume that it is YOUR job to do >> something about it? If WCC have any interest in the Sam whatsoever perhaps >> they should pay a little more attention to the views of their customers, >> ie us. Fac> I did not say it was MY JOB, it was just that it came up and I Fac> answered. You said that you run things on behalf of WCC. So to all intents and purposes you are WCC. You run things on behalf of Revelation, so to contact Revelation, I have to deal through you. There is an identity problem here. Say I want to contact WCC, but I don't want to go through you. Say it was a confidential matter and I wanted to converse with the owner of the company about something. Can you give me an address or phone number where I can contact them? This is all very weird. Everything seems to be tied up with you. The dominant software house, the sales and repairs of machines AND the Independant user group! Or is INDUG no longer the Independant User Group? >>> Or would you have preferred to have them spend, spend, spend (on >>> advertising) and gone bust in 12 months? >> That doesn't necessarily follow. Fac> I assure you it does. Look a Commodore for a start. It is completely ridiculous to compare WCC, SAMCo or WCC with a multimillion dollar corporation like C= :)) >>> Be grateful that SAM is still alive, despite the hard efforts of some to >>> undermine confidence in our favourite machine. Erm, who is making any effort to undermine confidence in SAM? I can't believe that anyone would go to the trouble of doing that. What possible gain could come from such actions? Fac> Even so, there have been let downs. But you have to accept that the Fac> SAM world has been plagued with VAPOUR-WARE. Products which never Fac> really stood a chance of getting into production. Vapourware exists in all platforms. It is a way of testing peoples reactions to an idea. Finding out what people want is actually useful. Fac> disappointed people then how do you think people would have reacted if Fac> lots of other products were paraded in front of them - only to Fac> disappear in a puff of smoke? They would have to lump it. Okay, they might be a little bit disappointed, but they wouldn't be out of pocket if the product failed to appear. You said in another post that SAM users want new software and hardware. Can you list the kind of software and hardware that you think we would want? If you can't answer from a commercial point of view, then forget about all that WCC debate stuff for a moment and put yourself in the shoes of an ordinary user. What would your personal wish list be for a new *hardware* product? Forget the financial implications of production and think of yourself as a user. Now what *software* would /you/ like to see for SAM? >>> So does FRED. >> Wrong, not at the stands in Gloucester. Fac> Well they have at shows for at least the last 18 months. Where is Colin these days.. has he lost his email feed? >> Well, why don't you ask him then. See above. Fac> It would not be any of my business, that is why. That is a Fac> confidential matter between the programmer and Revelation. So you only wear the Revelation hat when it suits you? Nigel Kettlewell only dealt with /you/ when he returned a Revelation game (quite a number of times and with no satisfaction) a couple of years ago. Fac> I was aware that Malcolm was trying to sort out the 'disaster zone' Fac> (and I use Malcolm's words there) created by David Ledbury in his many You have now dropped Malcolm in it with David. Malcolm probably didn't want this confidential disclosure making public. Fac> Persona was not a name I recognized when you used it, if you has said Fac> Melcolm Mackenzie it would have rung bigger bells. But come on, please Fac> live in the real world Andrew, David Ledbury had done more than any Fac> other person I can think of to bring the SAM world into disrepute and I Fac> doubt that anyone could now pick up the pieces. Eh? What pieces?! I don't think David did damage to anyones reputation but his own. David admits his failings as a businessman in the past, but he has always been a genuine SAM advocate. An 'ideas man' is what we used to call him. :) Fac> I have answered your questions. However, you seem to have some axe to Fac> grind that appears to be a little more personal than you admit to. Andrew is not alone in noticing contradictions. There are people in the mailing list who have not said anything, but who have exactly the same views. Your answer to that will most likely be "What contradictions?", adding further smoke clouding confusion to deflect attention from the issues. :) >> I'd like to hear it, and I may be convinced by it. If you continue to >> avoid all difficult questions, a lack of information cannot tell me >> anything. Fac> Just what are you going on about? Nice evasive answer there! :) Fac> Sorry to others who have found this more than a little boring. But, Fac> having started this in public it would be wrong to finish it any other Fac> way. This isn't boring at all. It's been quite interesting to see how you answer the questions. Okay, we haven't got much in the way of answers to any of them, but at least we know that the smokescreen surrounding WCC isn't about to blow away.. just yet. Fac> Rest assured that, like most people, I seek a quite life, but somehow Fac> I think there is going to be another long email from Andrew soon - I The questions wont go away until the ones who want to know feel satisfied with the answers. This is a free echo that isn't controled by business interests. As SAM users, we feel that we have a right to ask the questions. Do you think that we don't? Bye, _ |_)ave From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 16 14:28:06 1996 Message-Id: <199610152142.WAA07743@mail.enterprise.net> X-Authentication-Warning: mail.enterprise.net: Host max06-070.enterprise.net [194.72.198.70] didn't use HELO protocol From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: The Black Feet Gang Date: 15 Oct 1996 20:46:46 X-Newsreader: Spot 1.3/NetGate 1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 649 Lines: 18 In a message of 15 Oct 96 j.d.teare wrote to sam-users@nvg.unit.no: jdt> I'm just going to write to defend Bob's personal attack on Dave jdt> Ledbury - his heart was in the right place, even if his business jdt> acumen was not as sharp as it might have been. I'll second that. He's also the first to admit that he made a few cockups and he is genuinely aware that he has as much business sense as Bob has diplomacy. David kept a lot of people's interest in SAM; people who might have otherwise given up on SAM a long time ago. In fact, David did a lot for the profits of BT too. :) David did a *lot* of *good* for SAM. Bye, _ |_)ave From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 16 15:31:16 1996 Message-Id: <3265509B.3209@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 14:16:11 -0700 From: MR P R WALKER Organization: Computing Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: The Black Feet Gang References: <9610141614.AA00851@booth9.ecs.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 299 Lines: 8 Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk wrote: > That is unimportant. If you write the AI program I'm sure we wouldn't > have any difficulty in adapting it. :-) That job can go to someone else, I'm afraid - I have enough trouble analysing sentences myself, without trying to write a program to do it. :) From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 16 15:31:17 1996 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 14:15:21 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9610161315.AA01702@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Mailer quibbles X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 904 Lines: 22 > Understood your reply Ian. Are things really that old fashioned? It has got nothing to do with old fashioness. It has got to do with the fact that you can't possibly know what reader the receiveer has. Nor can you know what types of gateways the mail has to travel to arrive at the receiver. You don't know, therefore you conform to a standard. That's the net. > > Oh well, I've got problems then. The AOL mailer word-wraps according to the > size of the window. There is no way of knowing how long a line is in > characters. It uses a proportional typeface (and I can't find a way of > altering that). > > Now I could go back to using a DOS based word-processor - but then I would > have to load the text into a windows word-processor and cut it to the > clipboard, boot AOL's mailer and then paste. Sorry, but there must be a > better way. Don't worry. You'r messasges looks just fine. -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 16 15:31:17 1996 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 14:33:19 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9610161333.AA01705@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam Users list - Arguments R Us? X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 789 Lines: 20 > OK, I am going to Monitir for a week. I have seen personal > attacks, Discussions about line length, Linus, disc hardware in > Amiga, (or lack of it!) etc. I have waded through it all and > really found stuff truly SAM related rather thin on the ground. Where is Monitir? Anyway, what you mention above, except from personal attact (come on guys! Let's behave!) is not directly out of order. However, the moral must be that whatever goes on the list should be SAM related (that would involve the emualtor, how to read SAM discs on different OSs, etc). Treads about line lengths and which OS is better should be kept to a minimum. :) No personal attacs - please!!! > > I may have to unsub if it goes on. Please, don't. Loss of subscribers will only make the interest-factor drop. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 16 15:31:17 1996 Message-Id: <3265544B.58E3@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 14:31:55 -0700 From: MR P R WALKER Organization: Computing Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Duplication Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 67 Lines: 1 Is it just me, or are almost all emails being sent/received twice? From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 16 15:31:30 1996 Subject: Re: Writers request To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 12:00:46 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "David Gommeren" at Oct 15, 96 04:17:30 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <96Oct16.120308+0100_met.109096-772+19@sabre-wulf.nvg.unit.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 452 Lines: 15 > > On Thu 10 Oct, Simon Cooke wrote: > > > David Gommeren (on anything you fancy!) > > I should have a holiday of two weeks now. This first day I spend working in > the UK, the 2nd driving back from the UK and solving a major software > problem (which I created myself :) > > Maybe a full explanation of my music player (including source)? That would be brilliant! As long as you want, any diagrams you want... anything would be great :) Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 16 15:31:35 1996 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 14:35:55 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9610161335.AA01708@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: THE GLOUCESTER SHOW X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 104 Lines: 7 > SATURDAY 26TH OCTOBER > > Be there please. Anybody? Pleeeeease? I need a seminar! Fast!!!! -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 16 15:31:52 1996 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 14:31:19 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@oughtred.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Extending the BASIC.. - Reply In-Reply-To: <199610151638_MC1-AEF-97B4@compuserve.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 613 Lines: 19 On Tue, 15 Oct 1996, Neville Young wrote: > Try this: [nice juicy basic listing snipped] Thanks.. Hopefully that'll do the job! :) > Or get a copy of PC suite from me cos it's built in. How much will it cost me? -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Don't take life so seriously, | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | you'll never survive it! | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | - (C) CamLoRTS 1996 | ============================================================================= From imc Wed Oct 16 15:38:32 1996 Subject: Re: THE GLOUCESTER SHOW To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 15:38:32 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <9610161335.AA01708@asmal.edh-net> from "Frode Tenneboe" at Oct 16, 96 02:35:55 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 184 Lines: 6 On Wed, 16 Oct 1996 14:35:55 +0100, Frode Tenneboe said: > Anybody? Pleeeeease? I need a seminar! Fast!!!! Who's 7 is on that weekend. (Oh drat, it occupies the Saturday too!) imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 16 18:56:51 1996 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <9720.199610161404@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Double messages To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 15:04:03 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <961015150216_543656265@emout09.mail.aol.com> from "FormatPub@aol.com" at Oct 15, 96 03:02:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 271 Lines: 11 > > No double messages received here. > > Brian Gaff did have a similar problem a few weeks bac (I think). Strange. Could be Netscape messing around again, I suppose. (It doesn't like it when you run out of disk space...) Oh well, thanks for the reply anyway. Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 16 18:57:03 1996 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <9880.199610161406@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: SIMM Memory To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 15:06:04 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <199610151728.RAA14276@pipe1.uk.pipeline.com> from "Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com" at Oct 15, 96 05:28:50 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 155 Lines: 3 Have you lot SEEN the price of 30pin simms lately? They're much more expensive than any alternatives. (I should know, I was trying to get them for my PC) From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 16 18:57:03 1996 Message-Id: From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale) Subject: Re: Duplication To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 15:14:12 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <3265544B.58E3@csv.warwick.ac.uk> from "MR P R WALKER" at Oct 16, 96 02:31:55 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 492 Lines: 13 > Is it just me, or are almost all emails being sent/received twice? I'm only getting one copy of each email. On the SIMM thing again: I can understand people wanting one meg, for use as a soft drive, and I can understand up to 4 megs - a few soft drives and a big area for sound sampling. But 16 Meg??!!! Are you kidding?! What would you do with it? (On the SAM, remember). Are we going to get to the stage where programs come on 16 discs and have to be installed on a hard-drive? -Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 16 21:36:57 1996 From: "j.d.teare" Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 15:18:45 GMT+0 Subject: Re: The Black Feet Gang X-Confirm-Reading-To: X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-Id: <2843E22370C@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 70 Lines: 3 Yes, Dave Ledbury phone calls *were* legendary, weren't they! Johnna From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 16 21:36:57 1996 From: "j.d.teare" Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 15:36:33 GMT+0 Subject: Re: Sam Users list - Arguments R Us? X-Confirm-Reading-To: X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-Id: <284941A1FA0@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 835 Lines: 19 Brian, >OK, I am going to Monitir for a week. I have seen personal >attacks, Discussions about line length, Linus, disc hardware in >Amiga, (or lack of it!) etc. I have waded through it all and >really found stuff truly SAM related rather thin on the ground. I would hardly call the questioning the identity of WCC, the people who'run' the SAM, not SAM related. And the only personal attack was one made towards David Ledbury, which you yourself defended! If Bob answered the questions he was asked without having to surround everything in a shroud of mystery then the issue would be cleared up in seconds and we could move on to discussing something else. If I've come across as a grumpy bugger there then that's not the intention - it's just infuriating to have your perfectly well put questions constantly evaded. Johnna From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 16 21:36:57 1996 Message-Id: From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale) Subject: Re: Duplication To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 18:53:10 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Andrew M Gale" at Oct 16, 96 03:14:12 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 666 Lines: 19 Thanks Nev & Samsboss for the meg info.... I have to say that I'm surprised at the lack of chips - especially tri-state buffers (I know the LS374s have tristate o/ps). This led me to think: has Bruce done the trick where the lower address lines are connected to the SIMM lines via small resistors (say 1K) an then the higher lines via the LS374 tri-state o/p. Then when the tristate output are active they over-ride the lower address line signals. This could be the answer to the hard-drive problems if it is - increased current consumption on the address lines. Is there a bank of 10 or so resistors of values from 300-1K ish ohms on the meg PCB? Cheers, Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 16 21:36:58 1996 From: "j.d.teare" Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 15:29:08 GMT+0 Subject: Re: West Coast Conspiracy X-Confirm-Reading-To: X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-Id: <284637324D5@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 572 Lines: 16 As regards the ongoing WCC+Revelation=Bob Brenchley affair, I would like to ask: Who is 'Mike Roberts'? A while back in a Your Sinclair 'interview' he was mentioned as being associated with West Coast (check your SAM Centre's folks!) but the name was placed in quote marks as above. This was supicious enough at the time (especially when you consider the abbreviated form of Robert) but now with all this cloak and dagger business going on it makes it fascinating. And does it take longer to send Emails once you've dug yourself into a very big hole? :) Johnna From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 16 21:36:59 1996 From: "j.d.teare" Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 16:45:40 GMT+0 Subject: Re: SimCoupe Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-Id: <285B1F54F0F@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 338 Lines: 11 Hello all! Right, I've downloaded SimCoupe from the FTP site and I've extracted it onto the fileserver. What now? Do I copy it to floppy and then boot up aain with the floppies in the machine on bootup, or do I run it from DOS, or Windows or can't I run it unless I'm on a Linux system or what? Sorry for being so thick! :) Johnna From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 16 21:36:59 1996 From: "j.d.teare" Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 16:55:48 GMT+0 Subject: Re: QDos, SAM C and things with other letters in. Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-Id: <285DAE40BD3@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 569 Lines: 18 Hello (once again - I think I'm the only person online at the minute) Right, I've taken QDOS off the issue it appears on, I've put it as the first track in my directory on a freshly formatted disk. I reset the machine and then I boot. The drive whirrs for about 20 seconds and then the message: 19 Loading Error appears on the screen. What have I done wrong, or is my SAM just a tempramental old bugger. And going back to a question asked ages ago, I can't get my scanf function to work in SAM C either. Have I just been gifted with an alien machine? Johnna From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 16 21:37:09 1996 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 14:13:19 -0400 From: FormatPub@aol.com Message-Id: <961016141317_212574360@emout15.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: The Black Feet Gang Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 9681 Lines: 232 Before I start answering this, could someone please tell me why so many lines start with > Fac> Is this another of the strange aberrations of netspeak? In a message dated 16/10/96 12:20:49, Dave Whitmore wrote: (edited to get it as short as possible folks) >Hi FormatPub@aol.com, > >Well Alan and Bruce's "way" was far more successful than WCC's strategy as >far as I can see. Alan and Bruce were always willing to talk to the users. >They sold machines and got things done. The elusiveness of the people who are >supposed to be WCC makes the believability of their existence about as >credible as Father Xmas! MGT went bust, so did SAMCo, so did SAM Technology. Does that not tell you something? Since 1993 the SAM has survived with WCC. You mean there is no Father Christmas? (sob...) > >Why can't you just tell us who the MD of WCC is? I don't believe that I have >ever come across a firm who have been so reluctant to tell their customers >who they are. This is all seriously weird Bob.. weird! West Coast Computers are the company that holds the rights to the hardware related to the SAM. Format was appointed, I think nearly three years ago to handle the UK sales and distribution, taking over that job from Blue Alpha. What is seriously weird about that? > > >> But if you don't run things, why do you assume that it is YOUR job to do > >> something about it? > > Fac> I did not say it was MY JOB, it was just that it came up and I > Fac> answered. > >You said that you run things on behalf of WCC. So to all intents and purposes >you are WCC. How does your twisted logic arrive at that? We merely act as sales agents for WCC. A very common business practice throughout the world. >You run things on behalf of Revelation, so to contact >Revelation, I have to deal through you. Not true. You write to Revelation at their published mailing address in Exeter. Orders, or letters dealing with orders (like items not received) are forwarded by Frank for use to handle, he handles the rest. > >This is all very weird. Everything seems to be tied up with you. The dominant >software house, the sales and repairs of machines AND the Independant user >group! >Or is INDUG no longer the Independent User Group? INDUG is the independent user group for Spectrum, SAM, any other Z80, and PC users. as for the repairs. Well, when Blue Alpha disappeared, someone had to organize something. We found two local TV guys who were prepared to do them - the rest is history. If someone else would like to do repairs then I'm sure parts would be available. > >>> Or would you have preferred to have them spend, spend, spend (on > >>> advertising) and gone bust in 12 months? > > >> That doesn't necessarily follow. > > Fac> I assure you it does. Look a Commodore for a start. > >It is completely ridiculous to compare WCC, SAMCo or WCC with a multimillion >dollar corporation like C= :)) Different money levels but the result would have been the same, or did you not do any economic theory at school? > >Erm, who is making any effort to undermine confidence in SAM? I can't believe >that anyone would go to the trouble of doing that. What possible gain could >come from such actions? There does not have to be a gain to every action. Some people just seem to want to talk SAM into its grave. > > > Fac> Even so, there have been let downs. But you have to accept that the > Fac> SAM world has been plagued with VAPOUR-WARE. Products which never > Fac> really stood a chance of getting into production. > >Vapourware exists in all platforms. It is a way of testing peoples reactions >to an idea. Finding out what people want is actually useful. > > Fac> disappointed people then how do you think people would have reacted if > Fac> lots of other products were paraded in front of them - only to > Fac> disappear in a puff of smoke? > >They would have to lump it. Okay, they might be a little bit disappointed, >but they wouldn't be out of pocket if the product failed to appear. The problem with that approach is that after a few disappointments, people become depressed and leave the SAM world. As the publisher and editor of FORMAT I have to look at the legal side all the time (its a hard life you know). > >You said in another post that SAM users want new software and hardware. Can >you list the kind of software and hardware that you think we would want? > >If you can't answer from a commercial point of view, then forget about all >that WCC debate stuff for a moment and put yourself in the shoes of an >ordinary user. What would your personal wish list be for a new *hardware* >product? Forget the financial implications of production and think of >yourself as a user. I will answer that one in a separate mail in a few days. > > >Now what *software* would /you/ like to see for SAM? > > >>> So does FRED. > > >> Wrong, not at the stands in Gloucester. > > Fac> Well they have at shows for at least the last 18 months. > >Where is Colin these days.. has he lost his email feed? > > > >> Well, why don't you ask him then. See above. > > Fac> It would not be any of my business, that is why. That is a > Fac> confidential matter between the programmer and Revelation. > >So you only wear the Revelation hat when it suits you? No, I wear the Revelation hat as you call it when the item in question falls within the remit of the contract I have with Revelation. > >Nigel Kettlewell only dealt with /you/ when he returned a Revelation game >(quite a number of times and with no satisfaction) a couple of years ago. Nigel had a copy of a game that he kept claiming would not work on his machine. The game kept testing ok on the machines here in the Format office, on Frank's machine, and on the machine Jenny has at home. Now come on, use your brain, if it works when tested on six different machines but not on Kettlewell's - where does the problem lay? And just as a final test. Unknown to him, we did change the disc on one occasion, just to see what would happen - back it came just the same. In the end, although there was no legal requirement to do so, Frank did send him a credit note to use against something else. > > Fac> I was aware that Malcolm was trying to sort out the 'disaster zone' > Fac> (and I use Malcolm's words there) created by David Ledbury in his many > >You have now dropped Malcolm in it with David. Malcolm probably didn't want >this confidential disclosure making public. > > Fac> Persona was not a name I recognized when you used it, if you has said > Fac> Melcolm Mackenzie it would have rung bigger bells. But come on, please > Fac> live in the real world Andrew, David Ledbury had done more than any > Fac> other person I can think of to bring the SAM world into disrepute and I > Fac> doubt that anyone could now pick up the pieces. >Eh? What pieces?! I don't think David did damage to anyones reputation but >his own. David admits his failings as a businessman in the past, but he has >always been a genuine SAM advocate. An 'ideas man' is what we used to call >him. :) By pieces I refer to the number of customers that failed to get goods ordered, got discmags months and months late. Agreed, M.M. is doing his best to sort out the mess. But the last sentence of my statement above is all too true. And any continued involvement of D.L. with SAM should be resisted by anyone who really cares about SAM's future. > > Fac> I have answered your questions. However, you seem to have some axe to > Fac> grind that appears to be a little more personal than you admit to. >Andrew is not alone in noticing contradictions. There are people in the >mailing list who have not said anything, but who have exactly the same views. > >Your answer to that will most likely be "What contradictions?", adding >further smoke clouding confusion to deflect attention from the issues. :) Ok, you asked for it. WHAT CONTRADICTIONS??? > > >> I'd like to hear it, and I may be convinced by it. If you continue to > >> avoid all difficult questions, a lack of information cannot tell me > >> anything. > > Fac> Just what are you going on about? > >Nice evasive answer there! :) No, valid question there. Read the text again and if you understand it then explain it. > > Fac> Sorry to others who have found this more than a little boring. But, > Fac> having started this in public it would be wrong to finish it any other > Fac> way. > >This isn't boring at all. It's been quite interesting to see how you answer >the questions. Okay, we haven't got much in the way of answers to any of >them, but at least we know that the smokescreen surrounding WCC isn't about >to blow away.. just yet. > > Fac> Rest assured that, like most people, I seek a quite life, but somehow > Fac> I think there is going to be another long email from Andrew soon - I > The questions wont go away until the ones who want to know feel satisfied >with the answers. This is a free echo that isn't controled by business >interests. As SAM users, we feel that we have a right to ask the questions. >Do you think that we don't? As I've always said, and done, I will answer any question I can. Provided it is put as a question, not the 'vague (and overly verbose) hide a question within something else' sort of thing that has been put so far. > >Bye, > > _ > |_)ave > > May I make a suggestion. Let's start again. Give me a question, or a set of clearly numbered questions, short and sweet. I can then reply without constantly needing to include all or most of the text that is already on the system. Each mail can then be added to the previous by people who want to read it, but for those that are not interested then at least they have only had to download a small file. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 16 21:37:09 1996 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 14:13:28 -0400 From: FormatPub@aol.com Message-Id: <961016141308_212574220@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: The Black Feet Gang Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 101 Lines: 5 In a message dated 16/10/96 12:19:09, you write: >David did a *lot* of *good* for SAM. Rubbish!!! From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 16 21:37:09 1996 From: "j.d.teare" Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 19:15:34 GMT+0 Subject: Re: SIMMply put... Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-Id: <288305D0DD5@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2017 Lines: 40 > But 16 Meg??!!! Are you kidding?! What would you do with it? > (On the SAM, remember). Are we going to get to the stage where > programs come on 16 discs and have to be installed on a hard-drive? Purely and simply, no we are not. There is very little software around as is that uses the 1 Meg Expansion (and very few people who own the damn thing) and whilst I can see the benefits of having 16 Meg for personal use, on a commercial basis there is little or no point in it at all. Unless hardware produced for the SAM gets decent software support, nobody will buy it. On the point of SimCoupe, it's a lovely idea and all but how long will it take before people who own PC's and run the emulator decide that they don't wish to program the SAM anymore (because it's not powerful enough for serious software) and turn to programming PC's alone? And now, a quick thought - I've got a great game idea (although I've been told it exists on other platforms, I haven't seen it) revolving around the old Tetris engine (and actually inspired by the wonderful Stax). Blocks of three letters drop from the top of the screen and the user gets to rotate them and manipulate them in the hope of forming the target word which is set at the start of the level. If any other words are formed, points are still scored, but the level is not completed until the target word is achieved. As in Tetris, things get faster, the words get longer and the game gets harder. The dictionaries are all there (remember SpellMaster) and although there might be a slight delay in checking to see if a non-target word exists when formed, this could be overcome by making the letters generated not random and so thereby narrowing down the number of different words that can be formed on each level. I've told Colin M about it and he thought it wasn't a bad idead, saying he'll pass it onto Wayne Coles after he's finished his latest program, but I was wondering if anybody else would like to start the groundwork. Johnna From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Wed Oct 16 21:37:10 1996 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 14:13:19 -0400 From: FormatPub@aol.com Message-Id: <961016141318_212574381@emout17.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SIMM Memory Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 881 Lines: 26 In a message dated 16/10/96 12:23:16, Dean Liversidge wrote: >But then it wouldn't be much good as a commersial project for Bob, >would it, and not really an alternative to the normal 1Mb mem >expansion. Unless it was sold as a memory carrier module for your own >memory purchases. I think that would be the ideal way to sell it. > >And the memory isn't going for 'peanuts', all the ads i've seen >lately people still want too much money for it. ie. 1Mb 30pin new = 12 UKP >some people are selling the 2nd hand at 10 UKP, 4 Mb 72pin = 14 UKP. > Today's quoted price for 72pin SIMMs from my local distributor:- 4Mb 18 UKP 8Mb 34 UKP On neither can he guarantee availability from day to day and every batch has different price. If you buy 30pin simms from a 'mate' you will probabley not need to pay too much. I picked up 4x1Mb for a printer the other day for #10. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 17 00:11:18 1996 Message-Id: From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale) Subject: Re: SIMMply put... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 20:22:14 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <288305D0DD5@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> from "j.d.teare" at Oct 16, 96 07:15:34 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 596 Lines: 16 Just thought of something against 72-pin SIMMs - they're 32bit (well, 36-bit). This cause no problems on reads (but we'll need 4x8 way tristate buffers), but on writing it means we have to read first, latch the data, and then write it back modifying just the byte we need to change. This would need 4 octal latches. It all adds up, and would mean the interface logic is cons- iderably more complex - hence longer development time and larger more complex pcb. If these 72pinners are really that much cheaper, it could be economical to just use the lowest 8 bits and ignore the rest..... -Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 17 00:11:19 1996 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 21:19:37 +0100 (BST) From: "A.S. Collier" X-Sender: asc25@blue.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <961015143706_127320720@emout09.mail.aol.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 625 Lines: 35 On Tue, 15 Oct 1996 FormatPub@aol.com wrote: > >What info file? :) > > > >DMZ > >=== > > > > > > Yes, what info file? > This one: -- Welcome to the sam-users mailing list! If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, send the following command in email to "sam-users-request@nvg.unit.no": unsubscribe Or you can send mail to "majordomo@nvg.unit.no" with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe sam-users asc25@cam.ac.uk Here's the general information for the list you've subscribed to, in case you don't already have it: #### No info available for sam-users. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 17 00:11:19 1996 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 20:39:20 GMT Message-Id: <199610162039.UAA12137@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Duplication From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) Cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Pipeuser: samsboss X-Pipehub: uk.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 957 Lines: 30 On Oct 16, 1996 18:53:10, 'ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale)' wrote: >Thanks Nev & Samsboss for the meg info.... >I have to say that I'm surprised at the lack of >chips - especially tri-state buffers (I know the >LS374s have tristate o/ps). This led me to think: >has Bruce done the trick where the lower address >lines are connected to the SIMM lines via small >resistors (say 1K) an then the higher lines via >the LS374 tri-state o/p. Then when the tristate >output are active they over-ride the lower address >line signals. This could be the answer to the >hard-drive problems if it is - increased current >consumption on the address lines. Is there a bank >of 10 or so resistors of values from 300-1K ish ohms >on the meg PCB? > >Cheers, > >Andy > -- No. Only thing other than chips is the decoupling caps (disc and electros) and the selector pins. However, could they be inside the SAM? Samsboss The One And Only From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 17 00:11:19 1996 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 20:39:26 GMT Message-Id: <199610162039.UAA12144@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam Users list - Arguments R Us? From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) Cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Pipeuser: samsboss X-Pipehub: uk.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1427 Lines: 38 On Oct 16, 1996 15:36:33, '"j.d.teare" ' wrote: >Brian, > >>OK, I am going to Monitir for a week. I have seen personal >>attacks, Discussions about line length, Linus, disc hardware in >>Amiga, (or lack of it!) etc. I have waded through it all and >>really found stuff truly SAM related rather thin on the ground. > >I would hardly call the questioning the identity of WCC, the people >who'run' the SAM, not SAM related. And the only personal attack was >one made towards David Ledbury, which you yourself defended! If Bob >answered the questions he was asked without having to surround >everything in a shroud of mystery then the issue would be cleared up >in seconds and we could move on to discussing something else. > >If I've come across as a grumpy bugger there then that's not the >intention - it's just infuriating to have your perfectly well put >questions constantly evaded. > >Johnna -- What shroud of mystery? I agree with Bob (for once, oh dear, is there treatment on the NHS for it) the questions are not fair if you word them just to get the answer you think it should be (Ahhh I'm getting twisted here). You know w'at i meen... Join the campaign for plain speech (or is it the campaign for real ale?) So far the score is --- Bob 6 - The Others 3 --- but it is still only half-time. Place your bets, place your bets. Samsboss The One And Only From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 17 00:11:29 1996 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 21:59:26 +0100 (BST) From: "A.S. Collier" X-Sender: asc25@blue.csi.cam.ac.uk To: Sam-users Subject: Re: The Black Feet Gang In-Reply-To: <961014184854_543053278@emout04.mail.aol.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 6798 Lines: 136 On Mon, 14 Oct 1996 FormatPub@aol.com wrote: > No, I've gone on record several times in FORMAT, if you want to read it buy > copies. What issue? > say), West Coast have a different way. It may not be a straight answer, but > it is a straight question - why would you want to know? Do you know who runs > every company you deal with? No. I thought not. MAY not be a straight answer? It indisputably was not a straight answer. And actually, there are very few companies who don't gives names of directors or whatever at, eg, the top of headed notepaper. Moreover, I cannot think of a single example of a customer care letter which wasn't signed by name, with the exception of the letter from WCC shortly after their Sam deal. It is useful for the customer if they want to have some sort of contact with the company. Do you have any reservations about letting people know that Bob Brenchley runs Format? As for why I want to know - I don't want to know the names, so much as I want to know that the names are available. It would help substantiate (or otherwise, perhaps) the infomation you have so far nearly given us. > >That doesn't necessarily follow. > > I assure you it does. Look a Commodore for a start. I think we've got to achieve a balance here; I agree that too many adverts can be expensive, but I have seen no adverts at all for West Coast Computers, not even in Sam-dedicated paper magazines. (then again I don't subscribe to Format, but even if they do advertise there they are keeping a dangerously low profile by concentrating their adverts into one one magazine.) Perhaps you might pass on the infomation that Zodiac has very reasonable advertising rates... I quote you; "If it is advertised then people will buy it" > I came under criticism for releasing details of SAMCO products which never > made it to the market. After SAMCO's demise I took that stand in FORMAT not > to talk about products, unless from companies I considered were on a sound > commercial basis, until someone could demonstrate the product to me and > convince me that it would reach the streets at least in a reasonable period > of time. Okay, I'm not saying you need to report on early designs or ideas, but if there is anything at all concrete this is the sort of news which I, as a Sam user, would be interested to read. You don't need to talk about early designs as if they are close to release, but I certainly wouldn't have flatly denied that the very ideas existed. > You have heard of contracts? Somehow it doesn't strike me as your style to have signed a gagging clause. > I was aware that Malcolm was trying to sort out the 'disaster zone' (and I > use Malcolm's words there) created by David Ledbury in his many 'business' > incarnations. And yes I did offer David a deal, one which to date he has not > turned down. I would never deny that David was fairly useless as a businessman. Neither, believe it or not, would he. But his heart was in the right place, and he had a very shrewd idea of what it was that Sam users actually wanted. It is a pity that in some cases he was unable to provide it. Actually I'm surprised to hear that he didn't bother to turn down the offer; perhaps he thought it was a joke. And as for 'many business incarnations', how many can you name? > real world Andrew, David Ledbury had done more than any other person I can > think of to bring the SAM world into disrepute and I doubt that anyone could > now pick up the pieces. I feel this is an absolutely unjustified personal attack, especially from somebody who says that _I_ have a personal axe to grind. Why do you say he brought the Sam world into disrepute? Persona took over David's operations some while ago; everything is running very smoothly, there are NO known outstanding orders, the advertised software is available. David is not involved in the marketing or distribution, Malcolm has picked up the pieces very-nicely-thankyou. Incidentally, these matters are relavent to anybody who is concerned about where the Sam appears to be going, but if you won't discuss further with me, then I'll pass a message on to Malcolm that you'd be only too happy to discuss the situation with him. > Sorry you lost me there. What suggestion? The suggestion was that Revelation is acting illegally by selling certain titles (previously listed) to which Persona (Malcolm MacKenzie) has contracts. If you really do have no connection with Revelation, then: 1) Were you aquainted with Frank Broughton before the Revelation deal was arranged? 2) Did you previously check out his business credentials? 3) Do you associate yourself in any way with these allegedly underhand or illegal sales? > I have answered your questions. However, you seem to have some axe to grind > that appears to be a little more personal than you admit to. You answered one question. These emails are only so long due to the amount of effort you have put into avoiding the others, and making invalid, ill-informed, biased or untrue points which no-one can allow to simply let past. If we started again, I would ask exactly the same clear, simple, one-point-at-a-time questions that I did at first. I have little faith that the replies would be any more direct. So let's get this straight right now: I started off with a short list of straightforward questions which should have needed only a few words to answer. You started the longer mails. I have made no personal attack on you or anybody else. You on the other hand have made unjustified statements about David Ledbury, and several other comments (using your enviable skill of making personal claims without mentioning any names..) You've quoted much more of the previous material than anybody else.... If all you want is a quiet life, then I suggest you put a little more effort into ensuring that your postings are less controversial, or at least correct and not intentionally diverting and misleading. You'll notice I am not alone in trying to determine exactly how certain situations (for example, the mystery surrounding West Coast Computers) should be interpreted. I thought you would have taken an opportunity to put forward a reasonable argument. I know I could well have recieved incorrect or biased infomation. It is quite possible that everything I suggested may be completely wrong. However, until you actually deny some of it, no-one is any the wiser. I am, basically, asking you to clear your record. If you really have nothing to hide then it is easy enough to say so, and I can put certain other people onto the right track. However, you made sure to miss the point of every question at every turn, and essentially you have told us nothing new. Nothing is any clearer than it was before. So much for simple answers to simple questions. Andrew From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 17 00:11:29 1996 From: Gavin Smith Organization: University of Ulster To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 22:22:14 GMT Subject: Re: QDos, SAM C and things with other letters in. Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-Id: <13DCC033F4D@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 277 Lines: 8 >And going back to a question asked ages ago, I can't get my scanf >function to work in SAM C either. Hurrah! And I thought I was the only one. Well put questions about WCC John(na?!) - hope you get answers - I'm very interested - I remember Mike Roberts too :) Gavin Smith From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 17 00:11:30 1996 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 22:02:16 +0100 (BST) From: "A.S. Collier" X-Sender: asc25@blue.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: The Black Feet Gang In-Reply-To: <961016141308_212574220@emout07.mail.aol.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 273 Lines: 14 On Wed, 16 Oct 1996 FormatPub@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 16/10/96 12:19:09, you write: > > >David did a *lot* of *good* for SAM. > > Rubbish!!! Well that's your opinion. Is this a personal attack, or does that phrase not apply to anything BB says? Andrew From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 17 00:11:30 1996 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 22:50:38 +0100 (BST) From: "A.S. Collier" X-Sender: asc25@blue.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: The Black Feet Gang In-Reply-To: <961016141317_212574360@emout15.mail.aol.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 3971 Lines: 85 On Wed, 16 Oct 1996 FormatPub@aol.com wrote: > MGT went bust, so did SAMCo, so did SAM Technology. Does that not tell you > something? Since 1993 the SAM has survived with WCC. And nothing has happened since! Their 'success' probably has more to do with the lack of activity as opposed to letting people know just who was in charge. > The problem with that approach is that after a few disappointments, people > become depressed and leave the SAM world. > As the publisher and editor of FORMAT I have to look at the legal side all > the time (its a hard life you know). Perhaps people are just as likely to leave if the whole situation seems completely stagnant. And what is so special about the legal side of publishing infomation which you have been sent by the designers of potential new products? > Kettlewell's - where does the problem lay? Probably in some minor difference in the alignments of the heads of your disk drive and Nigel's. I also had a similar problem; any disk I had formatted would fail on this other person's machine. > And just as a final test. Unknown to him, we did change the disc on one > occasion, just to see what would happen - back it came just the same. In the > end, although there was no legal requirement to do so, Frank did send him a > credit note to use against something else. If the disk was formatted on the same machine as the first, it probably still wouldn't work. If it happens again, one thing which may be worth trying is to get the customer to send a blank formatted disk, and copy the game onto that (without reformatting it first - some variants of copy-protection would not allow this however) The only other thing to try is to copy the game using as many different Sams as possible until one worked. So it doesn't really sound like Nigel was trying to be awkward. > By pieces I refer to the number of customers that failed to get goods > ordered, got discmags months and months late. Which is now none, or at least none known. So that seems pretty well picked up. Small gramattical observation here: a set of words followed by a question mark, is a question. Sometimes you may even want to provide an answer to it. Here is an example of a question: > >interests. As SAM users, we feel that we have a right to ask the questions. > >Do you think that we don't? > As I've always said, and done, I will answer any question I can. Provided it > is put as a question, not the 'vague (and overly verbose) hide a question > within something else' sort of thing that has been put so far. I have asked the questions. You have promised to answer them. My list was clear, consise and every question had a single definite point. They were not verbose. Only one real answer was given for the whole list. If you have no intension of answering the perfectly well put questions, don't raise out hopes by promising to. > May I make a suggestion. Let's start again. Give me a question, or a set of > clearly numbered questions, short and sweet. I can then reply without > constantly needing to include all or most of the text that is already on the > system. Each mail can then be added to the previous by people who want to > read it, but for those that are not interested then at least they have only > had to download a small file. Hmm this sounds familiar... a set of short questions (admittedly not sweet) which didn't refer to any previous mails.... And then we get to these long postings, and you're blaming me. You attack David, and you're blaming me. You put youself in the mailing list and open discussions, and when it gets followed up you're blaming me. I can see a pattern emerging here! Anybody know where I can find a personal-axe grinding service? Andrew PS I think something odd is happening to hermes (the mailer at Cambridge) - I haven't got back the list copies of my last few messages. So these could end up being included a bit late or in a block. Sorry (and you're blaming me etc etc...) From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 17 00:11:32 1996 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 17:29:07 -0400 From: FormatPub@aol.com Message-Id: <961016170417_544494128@emout15.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Duplication Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 688 Lines: 20 In a message dated 16/10/96 18:11:30, you write: >On the SIMM thing again: I can understand people wanting one >meg, for use as a soft drive, and I can understand up to >4 megs - a few soft drives and a big area for sound sampling. >But 16 Meg??!!! Are you kidding?! What would you do with it? >(On the SAM, remember). Are we going to get to the stage where >programs come on 16 discs and have to be installed on a hard-drive? > >-Andy > > I can remember a certain Mr Gates who said in teh early 80s that 640K would be enough for anyone. How wrong he was. But seriously, for most people 16Mb would be OTT - now. But if you give people the memory they will find a way to use it. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 17 02:50:28 1996 Message-Id: X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 02:30:18 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Serious note... Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2742 Lines: 52 Dear everyone, I might not be able to make it to the upcoming Gloucester show (the first one I'll have missed, I might add :) )... so I thought I'd better explain why... Some of you will know what's been happening over the past year or so, but some of you won't, but here goes. Since October 1995, my mum has been ill... in February, the caused of her illness was diagnosed as being due to a malignant tumour wrapped around her Portal artery (might be wrong with that name... it's near the Portal vein of the liver anyway). Cholangio carcinoma is a rare condition which usually only affects women of 65 and over with a history of gall-stones. My mum had never had gallstones, and was only 36 when the trouble started. She had been in a great deal of pain over the last few months (the situation of the tumour often caused haemorraghes), and very ill due to chemotherapy. On Tuesday, at about 12:30pm, she finally passed away. It was very peaceful, and she just slipped away. The doctors had given her a drug to make her sleep, but she woke just before she died to say goodbye to my Dad (I was at work at the time), and then she closed her eyes and it was over. As I'm sure you can all understand, this is a stressful and painful time for my family, and so it's quite possible that I might not be up to coming to the show. I'll try and make it if I can, and I'm not asking for sympathy or anything like that -- I just thought that I'd better let everyone know what was happening, and explain my possible absence. I'd like everyone who can make it to join me in the pub at lunchtime if I'm there, and share a drink with me. Failing that, I might be staying in a B&B on the Saturday night (I've still not yet arranged it, sot that might not happen), in which case we could *all* go after the show. I don't want to dwell on what's happened, I just want to have a drink with like-minded friends, where we can talk and see what we can do with this blue-footed machine of ours. In the SAM world I've got a lot of very good friends. Sure, I've not seen eye to eye with everyone all the time, but that's to be expected -- we are, after all, all different people with different ideas, views, and perspectives on things. But I'm glad I'm involved with all this, because if I wasn't, my life might have turned out very different. Thanks for reading this, and sorry for clogging the mailing list with off-topic material. Yours, Simon Cooke. +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) -+ | Snail:26 Woodhouse Lane, Sale, Cheshire, M33 4JX Pager*: (01426) 208084| | Tel: (0161) 976 3426 | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc --*55p/min peak, 35p/min offpeak -+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 17 02:50:36 1996 Message-Id: X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 02:29:43 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Duplication Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 939 Lines: 22 >Status: > >Thanks Nev & Samsboss for the meg info.... >I have to say that I'm surprised at the lack of >chips - especially tri-state buffers (I know the >LS374s have tristate o/ps). This led me to think: >has Bruce done the trick where the lower address >lines are connected to the SIMM lines via small >resistors (say 1K) an then the higher lines via >the LS374 tri-state o/p. Then when the tristate Not from what I remember... in the SAM itself though,it is done that way, so that you can override the ASIC's data - eg the keyboard data if you were coming up with an existing-software-compatible PC keyboard interface. Simon +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) -+ | Snail:26 Woodhouse Lane, Sale, Cheshire, M33 4JX Pager*: (01426) 208084| | Tel: (0161) 976 3426 | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc --*55p/min peak, 35p/min offpeak -+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 17 02:50:36 1996 Message-Id: X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 02:29:46 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: The Black Feet Gang Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 5001 Lines: 92 >Status: > >In a message dated 16/10/96 12:19:09, you write: > >>David did a *lot* of *good* for SAM. > >Rubbish!!! One thing he did was to put me & Martin Rookyard in contact with each other; which did a lot of good for *me* if not for the SAM (I lived with Martin & his family for two years while I was at uni, because of financial and other problems I had at the time). On the SAM front though, even if we've not actually put out much, we've still put out some stuff. The MiDGET admittedly has been shelved (for good, it would seem, thanks to the bloody stupid EMC laws which have come in -- in the building where I work, we've got a test centre... I'll see what they've got to say on the matter). It was put on one side so that we could work on stuff like the Accelerator, Multi-ROM, PC Keyboard interface etc... The MultiROM works (I used it to snapshot screens for BOAI and SAM PRIME -- something I might not need to do any more if I can get XCoupe running on my newly installed Linux system.. which does mean installing the C compilers -- and I'm rapidly running out of HD space). The PC Keyboard interface works too -- in fact, we could release it as is -- it's only two chips, and very cheap ones at that -- that is, if you plug it into the Printer socket -- but it'd take up all of the processor time. The idea was to stick a GAL, PAL or a Z80 with ROM (the most likely option) on the board to convert the incoming data to SAM format, which the SAM could read as if it were reading the normal keyboard, but would still be able to get hold of new stuff as well. There'd be a diagnostic program in the ROM too, which would type itself into BASIC (or machine code) :) As for the Accelerator, that too has been working, but we've not got the resources to produce *good* prototype PCBs (photo-etching with low-resolution laser-printed acetates doesn't cut the mustard when you're dealing with a chip with so many fine legs on that it looks like it could do with a hair-cut). The main problem at the moment is that Martin and I are in full time employment (I leave the house at 6:30am, and don't get home until 7:30pm most days), and Martin is rebuilding the house he's moved into so that it's fit for his family to live in. Sorry, strayed a bit from the point there. Dave has acted as a kind of glue in the past. He's genuinely sorry for the inconvenience he's caused people (the Minibus saga, though, wasn't his fault -- but that's another story). And no matter what differences people have with him, he has always done his best. Bob, please don't let personal grudges come into this -- and if it's not personal, I'm sorry, but that's how it seems to me. He does mean well. He's never done anything he's done maliciously. Also, you say that he's brought the SAM into disrepute. The question is, who with? Since mid 1991, maybe earlier, there has been little or no news-stand press coverage of the SAM (save in YS, Sinclair User and Crash, but that was meager at best). Most people have never heard of it. One of the main things that brought the SAM into disrepute was NCE (New Computer Express -- that lovely Future Publishing publication from way back -- I was working at the SAMCo offices for a week when it was closed down -- you should have heard the cheers!). The SAM Community is small enough as it is... it can't withstand in-fighting, secrets, dirty tricks, or anythign else like that. It's also small enough for the facts to be checked for everything -- for example, the SAM Asic Upgrade wasn't just a "nice" idea that Bruce was nodding his head to in order to try and get away from me without hurting my feelings -- Bruce talked to the people at YS to arrange the ASIC Upgrade scheme (the coupon thing), and at the time he told Jon Pillar about the new ideas he'd had for the design since the show -- including an 8bit wide sampled sound channel running out of the BEEP line from the ASIC. We also argued about how many colours it should have - I said 24-bit colour, he said 4096. In the end, he went for 4096, for cost reasons. But at this stage we were still waiting for readers to send in their coupons. This letter has been a bit of a mish-mash. Basically, what I'm trying to say is that we've all got our faults (Dave's incompetent, you're obstinant in a lot of ways, and I'm hopeless at finishing things), but that doesn't mean we can't all be friends. It's this that is killing the SAM. The squabbling. Not the "we want it to be able to do this, and it can't at the moment, so we've got to upgrade the hardware" talks, not the emulators, not the vapourware and broken promises. The fighting. It has to stop. Now. Today. Bob, please kiss and make up. Simon +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) -+ | Snail:26 Woodhouse Lane, Sale, Cheshire, M33 4JX Pager*: (01426) 208084| | Tel: (0161) 976 3426 | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc --*55p/min peak, 35p/min offpeak -+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 17 02:50:36 1996 Message-Id: X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 02:30:01 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: SIMMply put... Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 705 Lines: 15 >I've told Colin M about it and he thought it wasn't a bad idead, >saying he'll pass it onto Wayne Coles after he's finished his latest >program, but I was wondering if anybody else would like to start the >groundwork. Well, like I did with SpellMaster, I can do the design work for the dictionary logic... but until I've got Termite finished, I can't justify doing anything else on it ;) Simon +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) -+ | Snail:26 Woodhouse Lane, Sale, Cheshire, M33 4JX Pager*: (01426) 208084| | Tel: (0161) 976 3426 | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc --*55p/min peak, 35p/min offpeak -+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 17 02:50:36 1996 Message-Id: X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 02:30:06 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: SIMMS stuff Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 784 Lines: 20 Just a thought: Design the interface for 72-pin SIMMs only. That way it's future proofed (well.. a little anyway), and all it takes is buying a SIMM-saver to use the 30-pin ones, while everyone who wants to can use the 72-pin ones. BTW: There's got to be something we can do with that Parity bit. Memory management? If set, it write protects that page? Only problem with that is: SIMMS without parity bits. SIMMs without parity bits, but with parity generation logic. Simon +- Email:Simon.Cooke@umist.ac.uk ---- Fidonet: 2:250/124.2 (Simon Cooke) -+ | Snail:26 Woodhouse Lane, Sale, Cheshire, M33 4JX Pager*: (01426) 208084| | Tel: (0161) 976 3426 | +- WWW: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc --*55p/min peak, 35p/min offpeak -+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 17 09:11:24 1996 Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 01:41:41 -0400 From: Neville Young <106166.1560@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: SIMM Memory To: sam users Message-Id: <199610170154_MC1-AF6-3DAF@compuserve.com> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 124 Lines: 7 Just like to point out. You can put 30pin simms into a 72 pin slot using an adapter so I would go for 72 pin slots. nev. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 17 09:11:25 1996 Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 01:41:43 -0400 From: Neville Young <106166.1560@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: SIMM Memory To: sam users Message-Id: <199610170150_MC1-AF6-3DB0@compuserve.com> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 326 Lines: 11 >If we used 4x30 pin SIMM sockets then you could fit 1Mb, 4Mb, 16Mb or any >combinations tot he 16Mb max. >Ok, Andy Wright's MasterDOS routines for working out how much expanded memory >is attached would need to be changed but that should not be too difficult. Wish I had a tenner for every time some body said that. nev From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 17 09:14:39 1996 Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 07:13:14 +0100 (BST) From: Si Owen To: "j.d.teare" Cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SimCoupe In-Reply-To: <285B1F54F0F@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Message-Id: Organisation: Wordcraft International Ltd. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1406 Lines: 31 On Wed, 16 Oct 1996, j.d.teare wrote: > Hello all! > > Right, I've downloaded SimCoupe from the FTP site and I've extracted > it onto the fileserver. What now? Do I copy it to floppy and then > boot up aain with the floppies in the machine on bootup, or do I run > it from DOS, or Windows or can't I run it unless I'm on a Linux > system or what? Unzip the boot and root disks to get the .td0 files. Using teledisk, expand these up to two DD floppies. Boot the machine using the boot disk, and follow the prompts carefully. Part way through booting it asks you to insert the root disk. Once that's finished loading you're in! If you've been following the thread about disk problems, you may know that not all disks that work on the Sam will be readable on the PC. You may have to format a disk as 10 sectors per track on a PC, and then copy the Sam disk onto it. Sounds weird, but it works. (details are in a message I posted about it). Let me know if you need more details on any of this.. Si /------------------------------------+----------------------------------------\ | Si Owen | Home: si@obobo.demon.co.uk | | Wordcraft International Ltd, UK | Work: sowen@wordcraft.co.uk | | Fax: +44-1332-295525 | WWW: www.obobo.demon.co.uk | \------------------------------------+----------------------------------------/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 17 09:15:00 1996 Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 01:41:32 -0400 From: Neville Young <106166.1560@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: SIMMply put... To: sam users Message-Id: <199610170230_MC1-AF6-3DAB@compuserve.com> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 702 Lines: 20 >Just thought of something against 72-pin SIMMs - they're >32bit (well, 36-bit). This cause no problems on reads >(but we'll need 4x8 way tristate buffers), but on >writing it means we have to read first, latch the data, >and then write it back modifying just the byte we need >to change. This would need 4 octal latches. It all >adds up, and would mean the interface logic is cons- >iderably more complex - hence longer development time >and larger more complex pcb. >If these 72pinners are really that much cheaper, it could >be economical to just use the lowest 8 bits and ignore >the rest..... no they're not. they have cas 0-3 and ras 0-3 so you can access any 1meg x 8bit. upto 16meg. nev From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 17 09:15:01 1996 Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 01:41:39 -0400 From: Neville Young <106166.1560@compuserve.com> Subject: getting boring To: sam users Message-Id: <199610170237_MC1-AF6-3DAE@compuserve.com> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 149 Lines: 7 why don't davewhitmore@enterprise.net and FormatPub@aol.com send their slagging off match direct to each other? and keep the air waves clear. nev From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 17 09:15:02 1996 Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 01:41:34 -0400 From: Neville Young <106166.1560@compuserve.com> Subject: multi disk software To: sam users Message-Id: <199610170234_MC1-AF6-3DAC@compuserve.com> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 401 Lines: 10 >On the SIMM thing again: I can understand people wanting one >meg, for use as a soft drive, and I can understand up to >4 megs - a few soft drives and a big area for sound sampling. >But 16 Meg??!!! Are you kidding?! What would you do with it? >(On the SAM, remember). Are we going to get to the stage where >programs come on 16 discs and have to be installed on a hard-drive? yes please nev :-)) From imc Thu Oct 17 10:38:45 1996 Subject: Re: Duplication To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 10:38:45 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <961016170417_544494128@emout15.mail.aol.com> from "FormatPub@aol.com" at Oct 16, 96 05:29:07 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 815 Lines: 18 On Wed, 16 Oct 1996 17:29:07 -0400, FormatPub@aol.com said: > I can remember a certain Mr Gates who said in teh early 80s that 640K would > be enough for anyone. How wrong he was. > But seriously, for most people 16Mb would be OTT - now. But if you give > people the memory they will find a way to use it. You may also remember that the machines which were in use at that time were ones which hardly anyone uses now. A big reason for the huge memory requirements of today is the fact that PCs now have proper 32-bit CPUs in them and 500Mb hard disks attached to them which can take full advantage of the large memory. On the other hand, we are talking about a particular machine which isn't superseded every year and doesn't have a 32-bit CPU or a hard drive attached to it [well not as standard anyway]. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 17 11:04:09 1996 Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 09:21:30 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@merlin.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: UNSUBSCRIBE In-Reply-To: <48281AA261B@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1133 Lines: 41 Sheesh.. I get fed up with these Unsubscribes.... Take note of THIS:- >From majordomo@nvg.unit.noMon Oct 7 11:45:40 1996 Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 12:41:59 +0100 From: majordomo@nvg.unit.no To: c93js1@dmu.ac.uk Subject: Welcome to sam-users -- Welcome to the sam-users mailing list! If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, send the following command in email to "sam-users-request@nvg.unit.no": unsubscribe Or you can send mail to "majordomo@nvg.unit.no" with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe sam-users [your email address] Here's the general information for the list you've subscribed to, in case you don't already have it: #### No info available for sam-users. -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Don't take life so seriously, | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | you'll never survive it! | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | - (C) CamLoRTS 1996 | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 17 11:04:10 1996 Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 09:37:18 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@merlin.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SIMM Memory In-Reply-To: <199610170154_MC1-AF6-3DAF@compuserve.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 609 Lines: 17 On Thu, 17 Oct 1996, Neville Young wrote: > > Just like to point out. > > You can put 30pin simms into a 72 pin slot using an adapter > so I would go for 72 pin slots. These SIMM-savers aren't 100% reliable... -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Don't take life so seriously, | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | you'll never survive it! | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | - (C) CamLoRTS 1996 | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 17 11:41:43 1996 Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 11:38:15 +0100 (BST) From: "A.S. Collier" X-Sender: asc25@blue.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam users Subject: Re: getting boring In-Reply-To: <199610170237_MC1-AF6-3DAE@compuserve.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 808 Lines: 22 On Thu, 17 Oct 1996, Neville Young wrote: > why don't > davewhitmore@enterprise.net and FormatPub@aol.com > send their slagging off match direct to each other? > and keep the air waves clear. It is not a personal slanging match. These are important questions. We should be getting informative answers (but we aren't, instead there are unjustifiable personal attacks which you yourself have participated in). Lots of people actually are interested, despite how you and Bob may try to gloss over the issues by saying they're boring. If we kept the airwaves clear from every topic of conversation, what would we have to talk about? All the new WCC hardware projects on the horizon, perhaps? Perhaps you want a mailing list with no messages. If you don't like Sam-users the way it is, log off. Andrew From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 17 13:15:15 1996 Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 13:11:28 +0100 From: D.M.Zambonini@cs.cf.ac.uk (D M Zambonini) Message-Id: <199610171211.NAA02973@kay.cs.cf.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: unsubscribe Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Md5: aV3Gyt1VW0PXQxTuHgMBqw== Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 795 Lines: 39 > > >What info file? :) > > > > > >DMZ > > >=== > > > > > > > > > > Yes, what info file? > > > This one: > > > [ Snipped info file ] Well, I'd just like to say that when I subscribed recently I didn't get anything of the sort. Absolutely nothing, in fact. DMZ === From imc Thu Oct 17 13:16:48 1996 Subject: Re: unsubscribe To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 13:16:48 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <199610171211.NAA02973@kay.cs.cf.ac.uk> from "D M Zambonini" at Oct 17, 96 01:11:28 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 803 Lines: 28 On Thu, 17 Oct 1996 13:11:28 +0100, D M Zambonini said: > Well, I'd just like to say that when I subscribed recently I didn't get > anything of the sort. Absolutely nothing, in fact. Which you even included below just to show us! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 17 15:23:18 1996 Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 10:12:33 -0400 From: FormatPub@aol.com Message-Id: <961017101232_1346883553@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: getting boring Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 226 Lines: 12 In a message dated 17/10/96 08:15:01, you write: >why don't >davewhitmore@enterprise.net and FormatPub@aol.com >send their slagging off match direct to each other? >and keep the air waves clear. > >nev Good idea Mr Nev. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 17 15:23:20 1996 Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 10:12:26 -0400 From: FormatPub@aol.com Message-Id: <961017101225_1413992544@emout03.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Duplication Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1446 Lines: 45 In a message dated 16/10/96 23:13:29, you write: >On Oct 16, 1996 18:53:10, 'ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale)' wrote: > > >>Thanks Nev & Samsboss for the meg info.... >>I have to say that I'm surprised at the lack of >>chips - especially tri-state buffers (I know the >>LS374s have tristate o/ps). This led me to think: >>has Bruce done the trick where the lower address >>lines are connected to the SIMM lines via small >>resistors (say 1K) an then the higher lines via >>the LS374 tri-state o/p. Then when the tristate >>output are active they over-ride the lower address >>line signals. This could be the answer to the >>hard-drive problems if it is - increased current >>consumption on the address lines. Is there a bank >>of 10 or so resistors of values from 300-1K ish ohms >>on the meg PCB? >> >>Cheers, >> >>Andy >> >-- >No. Only thing other than chips is the decoupling caps (disc and electros) >and the selector pins. > >However, could they be inside the SAM? > >Samsboss >The One And Only > > There is, according to the SAM diagram in the Tech-manual, a set of resistors inside SAM wich could be doing the job. I seem to remember one troublesome repair early this year where the fault was wrong values in some of these resistors. If you look at the SAM board, thre is a bank of 8 to the right of the memory chips. Not being an hardware expert - could that nice Mr Cooke confirm yes or no? Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 17 15:23:25 1996 Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 10:12:20 -0400 From: FormatPub@aol.com Message-Id: <961017101220_1078657760@emout20.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: West Coast Conspiracy Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 486 Lines: 15 In a message dated 16/10/96 21:33:22, you write: >Who is 'Mike Roberts'? > >A while back in a Your Sinclair 'interview' he was mentioned as being >associated with West Coast (check your SAM Centre's folks!) but the >name was placed in quote marks as above. I spent many months at MGT, busting a gut to help get those first SAMs out before Christmas '89. But I must admit, if there was a Mike Roberts, I can't remember him. Will ask Alan Miles the next time I hear from him. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 17 15:23:27 1996 Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 10:12:32 -0400 From: FormatPub@aol.com Message-Id: <961017101231_1313456097@emout11.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Serious note... Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 293 Lines: 12 In a message dated 17/10/96 01:51:19, you write: Sorry to hear about yo Mum Simon, I'm sure everyone will have sympathy for you, it must be hard for your family to have lost someone so young. Hope you do make it to the show, but will understand if you miss it. All my best wishes. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 17 15:23:40 1996 Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 10:12:31 -0400 From: FormatPub@aol.com Message-Id: <961017101230_1212794849@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: The Black Feet Gang Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 6085 Lines: 158 In a message dated 16/10/96 23:13:31, you write: (edited to get is as small as possible folks - Bob.) > >On Mon, 14 Oct 1996 FormatPub@aol.com wrote: > >> No, I've gone on record several times in FORMAT, if you want to read it buy >> copies. > >What issue? Several towards the end of Vol 9, and both the issues so far in Vol 10. > >> say), West Coast have a different way. It may not be a straight answer, but >> it is a straight question - why would you want to know? Do you know who >runs >> every company you deal with? No. I thought not. > >MAY not be a straight answer? It indisputably was not a straight answer. >And actually, there are very few companies who don't gives names of >directors or whatever at, eg, the top of headed notepaper. Their headed paper always carried those details that are required by company law. Including the names of directors. Sales literature on the other hand has never required such details. >Moreover, I >cannot think of a single example of a customer care letter which wasn't >signed by name, with the exception of the letter from WCC shortly after >their Sam deal. It is useful for the customer if they want to have some >sort of contact with the company. Do you have any reservations about >letting people know that Bob Brenchley runs Format? I'm me, not WCC. >As for why I want to >know - I don't want to know the names, so much as I want to know that the >names are available. It would help substantiate (or otherwise, perhaps) >the infomation you have so far nearly given us. > I don't need to 'substantiate' information. I give it in good faith and I expect it to be received in the same way. >> >That doesn't necessarily follow. >> >> I assure you it does. Look a Commodore for a start. > >I think we've got to achieve a balance here; I agree that too many adverts >can be expensive, but I have seen no adverts at all for West Coast >Computers, not even in Sam-dedicated paper magazines. (then again I don't >subscribe to Format, but even if they do advertise there they are keeping >a dangerously low profile by concentrating their adverts into one one >magazine.) Perhaps you might pass on the infomation that Zodiac has very >reasonable advertising rates... I quote you; "If it is advertised then >people will buy it" WCC place their adverts where they feel the reach the majority of their intended market. > >Okay, I'm not saying you need to report on early designs or ideas, >but if there is anything at all concrete this is the sort of news >which I, as a Sam user, would be interested to read. Within the news pages of FORMAT we cover as meny items as we have room for given that we have received:- a) A press release from a repritable company. or b) A rview copy of a product that we then pass out for review. We also print reviews that as sometimes sent in from readers on products that we have missed. But vapourware is a no-no. > >> You have heard of contracts? > >Somehow it doesn't strike me as your style to have signed a gagging >clause. > Reply censored... >> I was aware that Malcolm was trying to sort out the 'disaster zone' (and I >> use Malcolm's words there) created by David Ledbury in his many 'business' >> incarnations. And yes I did offer David a deal, one which to date he has >not >> turned down. > >I would never deny that David was fairly useless as a businessman. >Neither, believe it or not, would he. But his heart was in the right >place, and he had a very shrewd idea of what it was that Sam users >actually wanted. It is a pity that in some cases he was unable to provide >it. Actually I'm surprised to hear that he didn't bother to turn down the >offer; perhaps he thought it was a joke. I'll treat that remark with the contempt it deserves > >And as for 'many business incarnations', how many can you name? > > >> Sorry you lost me there. What suggestion? Replies to the three questions put:- 1) Yes, we went to school together. 2) Yes. 3) As far as I am aware there have never been any underhand or illegal sales. Now this is the way to present questions > >> I have answered your questions. However, you seem to have some axe to grind >> that appears to be a little more personal than you admit to. > >You answered one question. These emails are only so long due to the amount >of effort you have put into avoiding the others, and making invalid, >ill-informed, biased or untrue points which no-one can allow to simply let >past. If we started again, I would ask exactly the same clear, simple, >one-point-at-a-time questions that I did at first. looking back at the original it was far from clear and very far from one point at a time. >I have little faith >that the replies would be any more direct. So let's get this straight >right now: I started off with a short list of straightforward questions >which should have needed only a few words to answer. You started the >longer mails. I have made no personal attack on you or anybody else. You >on the other hand have made unjustified statements about David Ledbury, You may think they are 'unjustified' but I can assure you they are not. >and several other comments (using your enviable skill of making personal >claims without mentioning any names..) You've quoted much more of the >previous material than anybody else.... > >If all you want is a quiet life, then I suggest you put a little more >effort into ensuring that your postings are less controversial, or at >least correct and not intentionally diverting and misleading. If I want to be controversial, that is my decision. And I have not been intentionally diverting or misleading - you are obviously trying to read something into them that is not really there. >However, you made sure to miss the >point of every question at every turn, and essentially you have told us >nothing new. Nothing is any clearer than it was before. Could that just be because you are not asking proper questions in the first place? Look, for once, just read what you put first before sending it. It is you that started asking muddled questions, not me. > >Andrew From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 17 15:27:34 1996 Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 10:23:48 -0400 From: FormatPub@aol.com Message-Id: <961017102347_1547581477@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: UNSUBSCRIBE Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 334 Lines: 13 In a message dated 17/10/96 10:03:35, you write: >Here's the general information for the list you've >subscribed to, in case you don't already have it: > >#### No info available for sam-users. > > I think I did the same as some others. Got as far as the words 'No info' and then deleted the item. Have filed it for later use. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 17 15:27:34 1996 From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Nov 7 13:17:47 1996 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: Edinburgh Uni (CS and MATHS) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 13:19:27 +0000 Subject: Re: The brand new SAMSite Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-Id: <690FD290A0D@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 468 Lines: 15 ... YOU WANT A WEBPAGE?! EASY! Two companies give em away free: http://www.geocities.com/ (look for words like homestead and free web pages) and http://yi.com/ (again, up to 2MB free space!) sorted, Johnna... +---------------------------------------+---------------------+ | doubleback : complete bobbins | torus?- 1997? it'll | | http://www.geocities.com/area51/5636/ | never get finished | +---------------------------------------+---------------------+ From imc Thu Oct 17 15:40:16 1996 Subject: Re: Duplication? No, memory I think To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 15:40:16 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <961017102352_1745114533@emout20.mail.aol.com> from "FormatPub@aol.com" at Oct 17, 96 10:23:53 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1018 Lines: 25 On Thu, 17 Oct 1996 10:23:53 -0400, FormatPub@aol.com said: > True, but the size of the cpu or hard drive does not affect the memory you > use. I think it does. In order to fill 16Mb from floppy you would need over 20 floppies. OK, you could compress it (and just think how long it would take to decompress!) and maybe you can use some of it for pre-calculated tables. But still, you would have to work really hard indeed to think of something that fills 16Mb and fits on one floppy. The size of the CPU isn't directly connected, but much of the reason why memory has expanded so much on PCs is because the processor can now address it all directly, whereas the original 8086 only had a 20-bit address bus, or something like that. > And given that the Z80 is not the fastest processor, the more memory you > have the better. Or: the more memory you have, the longer it takes the CPU to fill it... > Oh for the days of the 1k ZX81 - no there was a machine. You could easily beat it at chess though. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 17 16:27:43 1996 Message-Id: From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale) Subject: Re: Duplication To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 16:23:23 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <961017101225_1413992544@emout03.mail.aol.com> from "FormatPub@aol.com" at Oct 17, 96 10:12:26 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 819 Lines: 19 > If you look at the SAM board, thre is a bank of 8 to the right of the memory > chips. Not being an hardware expert - could that nice Mr Cooke confirm yes or > no? These resistors connect the ASIC to the CPU. The ROM, however, is connected directly to the CPU (not via resistors). This mean that when the ROM's outputs are active they override any data that the ASIC is sending to the CPU. What it boils down to is that the ROM can still supply the CPU with data whilst the ASIC is busy with accessing RAM for the screen - which is part of the reason why code runs faster in ROM. The advantage of the resistors is that it mean that input ports on the expansion port can override the ASIC data if it wants to - as could be put to good use in a PC keyboard interface! (Over -riding the ASIC's keyboard data). -Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 17 17:31:29 1996 Message-Id: <199610171615.SAA17390@dxmint.cern.ch> From: Allan Skillman Subject: SimCoupe and SVGA To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 17 Oct 96 18:15:02 METDST Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1073 Lines: 22 Hi Guys, I'm not sure whether this is written down anywhere in the boot/root installation, but if you can get your SVGA card to be recognised then you can switch to High resolution - 640x480x256 mode by using the F5 key while SimCoupe is running. Also F3 switches the mouse on. I've nearly not the X11 version of the code up and running now, So XCoupe's replacement should be along soon. Allan -- +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Now available! XCoupe, the one and only SAM Coupe emulator | | *** http://www.hep.ucl.ac.uk/~ajs/xcoupe *** | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ | Allan Skillman | "There are five flavours of resons, the | | HEPP Group | elementary particles of magic : up, down, | | University College London | sideways, sex-appeal and peppermint." | | Email : ajs@hep.ucl.ac.uk | - Terry Pratchett (Lords and Ladies) | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 17 18:42:51 1996 From: "j.d.teare" Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 18:24:32 GMT+0 Subject: Re: The Greatest Gameshow In The Galaxy Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-Id: <9951F6691@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1138 Lines: 32 Now on Sam-Users List, it's time for Britains most eagerly observed gameshow... Ladies and gentlemen...it's Thursday...it's six fifiteen and it's time for another gamd of...Dodge the Question! And here's your host, 'Mike Roberts' (conspiratorial wink) "Hello ladies and gentlemen and welcome to Dodge the Question. On tonights show we have a housewife from Leeds, an unemployed brickie from Southend and a young schoolgirl from Northhampton. Give them a round of applause... ...right, just to recap on teh rules for those of you who have forgotten. You suubmit a long list of perfectly obvious questions that should be able to be answered quite easily if one wasn't trying to hide something, and I, as your genial host, will try my hardest to dodge them. Wyn from Leeds, you can go first... "What's your real name?" "Newtons third law." "Who do you work for?" "Fish and chips!" "What are you trying to hide?" "Existentialism" Sorry Wyn, I've been dodging questions for a living and I'm a dab hand at it. Better luck next time. *****Authors note***** Just an idea I had. Do you think the BBC would approve?! :):) Johnna. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 17 18:43:10 1996 Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 17:40:45 GMT Message-Id: <199610171740.RAA14764@pipe1.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SIMMply put... From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) Cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Pipeuser: samsboss X-Pipehub: uk.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1634 Lines: 42 On Oct 16, 1996 19:15:34, '"j.d.teare" ' wrote: >> But 16 Meg??!!! Are you kidding?! What would you do with it? >> (On the SAM, remember). Are we going to get to the stage where >> programs come on 16 discs and have to be installed on a hard-drive? > >Purely and simply, no we are not. There is very little software >around as is that uses the 1 Meg Expansion (and very few people who >own the damn thing) and whilst I can see the benefits of having 16 >Meg for personal use, on a commercial basis there is little or no >point in it at all. Unless hardware produced for the SAM gets decent >software support, nobody will buy it. Does it have to be commercial? I'm sure there are lots of users who have made mods to their own software to use the 1meg - I have for one. And not everyone will want 16Mb I know, but if (say) it would only take one extra chip to give 16Meg instead of 4Meg then I think the extra chip could well be worth an extra pound or two on the price. > >On the point of SimCoupe, it's a lovely idea and all but how long will >it take before people who own PC's and run the emulator decide that >they don't wish to program the SAM anymore (because it's not powerful >enough for serious software) and turn to programming PC's alone? Course SAM is powerful enough. There are many people who have run their business on Spectrums before and SAM at least has a good 80 col mode and a nice basic. > >And now, a quick thought - I've got a great game idea..... Like it, even though my spillings not to goood. > >Johnna -- Samsboss The One And Only From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 17 18:43:10 1996 Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 17:40:45 GMT Message-Id: <199610171740.RAA14764@pipe1.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SIMMply put... From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) Cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Pipeuser: samsboss X-Pipehub: uk.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1634 Lines: 42 On Oct 16, 1996 19:15:34, '"j.d.teare" ' wrote: >> But 16 Meg??!!! Are you kidding?! What would you do with it? >> (On the SAM, remember). Are we going to get to the stage where >> programs come on 16 discs and have to be installed on a hard-drive? > >Purely and simply, no we are not. There is very little software >around as is that uses the 1 Meg Expansion (and very few people who >own the damn thing) and whilst I can see the benefits of having 16 >Meg for personal use, on a commercial basis there is little or no >point in it at all. Unless hardware produced for the SAM gets decent >software support, nobody will buy it. Does it have to be commercial? I'm sure there are lots of users who have made mods to their own software to use the 1meg - I have for one. And not everyone will want 16Mb I know, but if (say) it would only take one extra chip to give 16Meg instead of 4Meg then I think the extra chip could well be worth an extra pound or two on the price. > >On the point of SimCoupe, it's a lovely idea and all but how long will >it take before people who own PC's and run the emulator decide that >they don't wish to program the SAM anymore (because it's not powerful >enough for serious software) and turn to programming PC's alone? Course SAM is powerful enough. There are many people who have run their business on Spectrums before and SAM at least has a good 80 col mode and a nice basic. > >And now, a quick thought - I've got a great game idea..... Like it, even though my spillings not to goood. > >Johnna -- Samsboss The One And Only From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 17 21:27:06 1996 From: "j.d.teare" Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 20:23:11 GMT+0 Subject: Re: Duplication Duplication (ha ha) Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-Id: Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 134 Lines: 5 Is it possible that some people are receiving mailings twice because they have susbcribed twice? Or am I just an ignoramus? Johnna From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 17 21:27:07 1996 Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 18:36:11 GMT Message-Id: <199610171836.SAA06872@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SIMM Memory From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) Cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Pipeuser: samsboss X-Pipehub: uk.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 370 Lines: 18 On Oct 17, 1996 09:37:18, 'Justin Skists ' wrote: >On Thu, 17 Oct 1996, Neville Young wrote: > >> >> Just like to point out. >> >> You can put 30pin simms into a 72 pin slot using an adapter >> so I would go for 72 pin slots. > >These SIMM-savers aren't 100% reliable... And have you seen the price??? Samsboss The One And Only From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 17 21:27:21 1996 Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 18:36:17 GMT Message-Id: <199610171836.SAA06882@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: The Greatest Gameshow In The Galaxy From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) Cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Pipeuser: samsboss X-Pipehub: uk.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1427 Lines: 42 On Oct 17, 1996 18:24:32, '"j.d.teare" ' wrote: >Now on Sam-Users List, it's time for Britains most eagerly observed >gameshow... > >Ladies and gentlemen...it's Thursday...it's six fifiteen and it's >time for another gamd of...Dodge the Question! And here's your host, >'Mike Roberts' (conspiratorial wink) > >"Hello ladies and gentlemen and welcome to Dodge the Question. On >tonights show we have a housewife from Leeds, an unemployed brickie >from Southend and a young schoolgirl from Northhampton. Give them a >round of applause... > >....right, just to recap on teh rules for those of you who have >forgotten. You suubmit a long list of perfectly obvious questions >that should be able to be answered quite easily if one wasn't trying >to hide something, and I, as your genial host, will try my hardest to >dodge them. Wyn from Leeds, you can go first... > >"What's your real name?" >"Newtons third law." >"Who do you work for?" >"Fish and chips!" >"What are you trying to hide?" >"Existentialism" > >Sorry Wyn, I've been dodging questions for a living and I'm a dab >hand at it. Better luck next time. > >*****Authors note***** >Just an idea I had. Do you think the BBC would approve?! :):) > >Johnna. -- After sinking that low the score is now Bob 21 = = The Others -99 Ooo. So low a limbo dancer would have a fit. Samsboss The One And Only From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 17 21:27:22 1996 Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 18:36:09 GMT Message-Id: <199610171836.SAA06867@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: First Question For Bob. From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) Cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Pipeuser: samsboss X-Pipehub: uk.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2152 Lines: 64 On Oct 16, 1996 22:50:38, '"A.S. Collier" ' wrote: > > >Small gramattical observation here: a set of words followed by a question >mark, is a question. Sometimes you may even want to provide an answer to >it. Here is an example of a question: Not always? You can put a question mark at the end of any sentence and that does not make it a question - does it? Now, was the above a question or a statement? That is down to both the writer and the reader because either could be correct. It is bad English not to state a question clearly so there can be no doubt what it is. But I agree with the nice Mr Young. Questions yes, long boring diatribes which get so jumbled up even an English teacher would have difficulty analysing the content, no. > >> >interests. As SAM users, we feel that we have a right to ask the questions. >> >Do you think that we don't? Grow up - do you think you have the rights to do anything in this country? > >> As I've always said, and done, I will answer any question I can. Provided it >> is put as a question, not the 'vague (and overly verbose) hide a question >> within something else' sort of thing that has been put so far. Bob 8 == The Other -2 > >I have asked the questions. You have promised to answer them. My list was >clear, concise and every question had a single definite point. They were >not verbose. Only one real answer was given for the whole list. If you >have no intention of answering the perfectly well put questions, don't >raise out hopes by promising to. If you really believe that you better go back to school and take English again. > >> May I make a suggestion. Let's start again. Give me a question, or a set of >> clearly numbered questions, short and sweet. I can then reply without >> constantly needing to include all or most of the text that is already on the >> system. First Question Bob. SB-1) Are you, or have you ever been, a director of West Coast Computer Limited? Ok folks I've started the ball rolling, and I've put my initials at the start to make it even easier. Samsboss The One And Only From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 17 21:27:22 1996 Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 18:36:14 GMT Message-Id: <199610171836.SAA06877@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: getting boring From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) Cc: sam users X-Pipeuser: samsboss X-Pipehub: uk.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1084 Lines: 33 On Oct 17, 1996 11:38:15, '"A.S. Collier" ' wrote: > >On Thu, 17 Oct 1996, Neville Young wrote: > >> why don't >> davewhitmore@enterprise.net and FormatPub@aol.com >> send their slagging off match direct to each other? >> and keep the air waves clear. > >It is not a personal slanging match. These are important questions. We >should be getting informative answers (but we aren't, instead there are >unjustifiable personal attacks which you yourself have participated in). >Lots of people actually are interested, despite how you and Bob may try to >gloss over the issues by saying they're boring. If we kept the airwaves >clear from every topic of conversation, what would we have to talk about? >All the new WCC hardware projects on the horizon, perhaps? Perhaps you >want a mailing list with no messages. If you don't like Sam-users the way >it is, log off. > >Andrew > > > Methinks Andrew is getting himself more than a itsy-bit uptight. Could it be he's behind in the scoring at half time? -- Samsboss The One And Only From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 17 21:27:22 1996 Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 20:30:30 +0100 (BST) From: "A.S. Collier" X-Sender: asc25@indigo.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: The Greatest Gameshow In The Galaxy In-Reply-To: <9951F6691@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 350 Lines: 12 On Thu, 17 Oct 1996, j.d.teare wrote: > Ladies and gentlemen...it's Thursday...it's six fifiteen and it's > time for another gamd of...Dodge the Question! And here's your host, > 'Mike Roberts' (conspiratorial wink) > *****Authors note***** > Just an idea I had. Do you think the BBC would approve?! :):) Er, Bob Brenchley Corporation?? Andrew From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 17 21:27:22 1996 Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 15:32:52 -0400 From: Neville Young <106166.1560@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: 1 meg To: sam users Message-Id: <199610171533_MC1-AEE-9D4@compuserve.com> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 781 Lines: 21 >>Status: >> >>Thanks Nev & Samsboss for the meg info.... >>I have to say that I'm surprised at the lack of >>chips - especially tri-state buffers (I know the >>LS374s have tristate o/ps). This led me to think: >>has Bruce done the trick where the lower address >>lines are connected to the SIMM lines via small >>resistors (say 1K) an then the higher lines via >>the LS374 tri-state o/p. Then when the tristate >Not from what I remember... in the SAM itself though,it is done that way, so >that you can override the >ASIC's data - eg the keyboard data if you were coming up with an >existing-software-compatible PC keyboard interface. In fact all eight memory chips have their data lines and the /write line connected directly to the bus. Talk about loading things! Nev. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Thu Oct 17 21:27:23 1996 Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 20:53:08 +0100 (BST) From: "A.S. Collier" X-Sender: asc25@indigo.csi.cam.ac.uk To: Sam-users Subject: Re: The Black Feet Gang In-Reply-To: <961017101230_1212794849@emout10.mail.aol.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 3914 Lines: 94 On Thu, 17 Oct 1996 FormatPub@aol.com wrote: > (edited to get is as small as possible folks - Bob.) Not really. You edited it to get rid of all the difficult bits and the places where you would really have had to admit I was right, so I'm putting a few of them back in again ;) This is what we mean by avoiding questions. > WCC place their adverts where they feel the reach the majority of their > intended market. Is it part of your contract to know that too? Oh hang on, you do the marketing so of course it is, presumably applying for and buying adverts in your own magazine. Do you get special rates from yourself? Anyway, remember that not everybody reads Format, how about an advert in Fred once in a while - I'd guess that an even higher percentage of Sam users subscribe to that, simply because it is a source of software in addition to no-news columns. > >but if there is anything at all concrete this is the sort of news > >which I, as a Sam user, would be interested to read. > But vapourware is a no-no. I didn't say this wasn't your policy, I just said I didn't think it was a very good policy. And I asked you to clarify one of your earlier points about having a hard life, but you carefully edited it out. So here it is again: Question (repeated) 1. What is so special about the legal side of publishing the information given to you by hardware designers? > >I would never deny that David was fairly useless as a businessman. > >Neither, believe it or not, would he. But his heart was in the right > >place, and he had a very shrewd idea of what it was that Sam users > >actually wanted. It is a pity that in some cases he was unable to provide > >it. Actually I'm surprised to hear that he didn't bother to turn down the > >offer; perhaps he thought it was a joke. > I'll treat that remark with the contempt it deserves Okay, forget the (mostly) witticism at the end. But what about the first four sentences? Do they not deserve a reply either? Question (repeated) 2. > >And as for 'many business incarnations', how many can you name? > 3) As far as I am aware there have never been any underhand or illegal sales. Hmmm. If I might clarify this, did you mean: a) Malcolm MacKenzie in fact does not own the rights to those previously listed titles or b) no copies of those games have (as far as you are aware, in your position as distributor) been sold? > You may think they are 'unjustified' but I can assure you they are not. Well I do think they are unjustified (as do many others) and I'm afraid that your assurance on its own is not going to change that. > If I want to be controversial, that is my decision. Yes! Absolutely! I totally agree! Feel completely free to make even more disgraceful personal allegations! So long as you don't expect to also have a quiet life whenever you want it. > Could that just be because you are not asking proper questions in the first > place? I doubt it. I didn't even start this argument in the first place - people had already been asking this sort of thing before I'd even rejoined the list. > Look, for once, just read what you put first before sending it. > It is you that started asking muddled questions, not me. Oh yes Oh yes, muddled questions like: Question (repeated) 3. Who runs West Coast Computers? I can just imagine the A-level essays people could write about the hidden meanings in that one. I don't even understand why answering this should be quite so much of a problem. It is you that started giving muddled answers, not me. I didn't even start this argument in the first place - people had already been asking this sort of thing before I'd even rejoined the list. Now, do you deny that? Andrew PS, Nobody suggested that 'Mike "quotes" Roberts' worked at MGT so I suspect there's no point asking Alan, unless he now works at WCC too (which given the drastic change of policy is probably not the case) From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 18 04:06:17 1996 Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 21:39:35 +0100 (BST) From: "A.S. Collier" X-Sender: asc25@navy.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: First Question For Bob. In-Reply-To: <199610171836.SAA06867@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 462 Lines: 18 On Thu, 17 Oct 1996, Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com wrote: > >> >interests. As SAM users, we feel that we have a right to ask the > questions. > >> >Do you think that we don't? > > Grow up - do you think you have the rights to do anything in this country? Funnily enough, I did actually think we had freedom of speech. How silly of me to have been so dense. I assume that you do think that we don't... (but why do you ask a question later on then?) Andrew From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 18 04:06:17 1996 Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 21:42:40 +0100 (BST) From: "A.S. Collier" X-Sender: asc25@navy.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam users Subject: Re: 1 meg In-Reply-To: <199610171533_MC1-AEE-9D4@compuserve.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 266 Lines: 10 On Thu, 17 Oct 1996, Neville Young wrote: > In fact all eight memory chips have their data lines and the /write line > connected directly to the bus. Talk about loading things! For one minute, without repetition, hesitation, deviation or repetition... Andrew From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 18 04:06:18 1996 Message-Id: <199610172101.WAA03971@mail.enterprise.net> X-Authentication-Warning: mail.enterprise.net: Host max06-116.enterprise.net [194.72.198.116] didn't use HELO protocol From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: getting boring Date: 17 Oct 1996 21:55:20 X-Newsreader: Spot 1.3/NetGate 1.1 Mime-Version: 1.1 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2075 Lines: 38 In a message of 17 Oct 96 Neville Young wrote to sam users : Hi Neville, NY> why don't NY> davewhitmore@enterprise.net and FormatPub@aol.com send their slagging NY> off match direct to each other? and keep the air waves clear. It isn't really a slagging match. I have been asking questions and to me, Bob has always replied courteously (except the little matter of David L - but that was in reply to Andrew), although he hasn't answered the questions either, at all, or as clearly as some of us would like. It hasn't exactly been a flame war. If you look in other mailing lists or usenet, or even fidonet echos; you'll find a lot worse than this has been. You'll also find as much, if not even more, rubbishy and off-topic threads. I don't think that taking it to email would be a good idea. I'd guess that you aren't particularly bothered about the lines of question because you more than likely know the answers. However, on my part, I would respect a majority decision about the continuance of the thread. Main subject being: users wanting to know the identity of a company that we are expected to believe in and trust with SAM's future. Well? For SAM Users, Bob's presence in the list is comparable to Alan Sugar actively and outspokenly inhabiting an Amstrad Users Mailing list. People will want answers to questions, or at least they would like the right to ask them. Why should one subject be censored and not another? Actually, before I finish writing, someone has just phoned me with some very interesting information. I should soon have possesion of a text file that may answer some, if not all of our questions. Or it might just provide us with a further set of questions. :)) It's coming at me via snail-mail, so it might take a few days. This little snippet of information that I am going to write now may not be true; I'll leave others to dispute it, and I disclaim responsiblity, but here goes.. Toche Ross (the MGT liquidators) own the design to the SAM. ????? Bye, _ |_)ave .. THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 18 04:06:29 1996 Message-Id: From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale) Subject: Re: The Black Feet Gang To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 22:06:27 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "A.S. Collier" at Oct 17, 96 08:53:08 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 335 Lines: 10 > > (edited to get is as small as possible folks - Bob.) > Not really. You edited it to get rid of all the difficult bits and the > places where you would really have had to admit I was right, so I'm > putting a few of them back in again ;) This is what we mean by avoiding > questions. > Boring, boring, boring, boring. Yawn.... From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 18 04:06:29 1996 Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 21:19:54 GMT Message-Id: <199610172119.VAA13401@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Duplication Duplication (ha ha) From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) Cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Pipeuser: samsboss X-Pipehub: uk.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 268 Lines: 13 On Oct 17, 1996 20:23:11, '"j.d.teare" ' wrote: >Is it possible that some people are receiving mailings twice because >they have susbcribed twice? >Or am I just an ignoramus? > >Johnna -- Stupid Boy!!! Samsboss The One And Only From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 18 04:06:30 1996 Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 21:19:52 GMT Message-Id: <199610172119.VAA13397@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: The Black Feet Gang From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) Cc: Sam-users X-Pipeuser: samsboss X-Pipehub: uk.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 4816 Lines: 126 On Oct 17, 1996 20:53:08, '"A.S. Collier" ' wrote: > >On Thu, 17 Oct 1996 FormatPub@aol.com wrote: > >> (edited to get is as small as possible folks - Bob.) >Not really. You edited it to get rid of all the difficult bits and the >places where you would really have had to admit I was right, so I'm >putting a few of them back in again ;) This is what we mean by avoiding >questions. Do you have to be such an idiot? Now that is a real question. > >> WCC place their adverts where they feel the reach the majority of their >> intended market. > >Is it part of your contract to know that too? Oh hang on, you do the >marketing so of course it is, presumably applying for and buying adverts >in your own magazine. Do you get special rates from yourself? Anyway, >remember that not everybody reads Format, how about an advert in Fred once >in a while - I'd guess that an even higher percentage of Sam users >subscribe to that, simply because it is a source of software in addition >to no-news columns. > >> >but if there is anything at all concrete this is the sort of news >> >which I, as a Sam user, would be interested to read. >> But vapourware is a no-no. > >I didn't say this wasn't your policy, I just said I didn't think it was a >very good policy. And I asked you to clarify one of your earlier points >about having a hard life, but you carefully edited it out. So here it is >again: > >Question (repeated) 1. What is so special about the legal side of >publishing the information given to you by hardware designers? > >> >I would never deny that David was fairly useless as a businessman. >> >Neither, believe it or not, would he. But his heart was in the right >> >place, and he had a very shrewd idea of what it was that Sam users >> >actually wanted. It is a pity that in some cases he was unable to provide >> >it. Actually I'm surprised to hear that he didn't bother to turn down the >> >offer; perhaps he thought it was a joke. >> I'll treat that remark with the contempt it deserves > >Okay, forget the (mostly) witticism at the end. But what about the first >four sentences? Do they not deserve a reply either? > >Question (repeated) 2. >> >And as for 'many business incarnations', how many can you name? > >> 3) As far as I am aware there have never been any underhand or illegal >sales. >Hmmm. If I might clarify this, did you mean: > >a) Malcolm MacKenzie in fact does not own the rights to those previously >listed titles >or b) no copies of those games have (as far as you are aware, in your >position as distributor) been sold? You be brakeing de rulls again man. Dees is not self contained questions - dem refer back, go direct to start, do not collect 200 points. > >> You may think they are 'unjustified' but I can assure you they are not. > >Well I do think they are unjustified (as do many others) and I'm afraid >that your assurance on its own is not going to change that. > He can state his opinion, you can state yours - even points, no score draw. >> If I want to be controversial, that is my decision. > >Yes! Absolutely! I totally agree! Feel completely free to make even more >disgraceful personal allegations! >So long as you don't expect to also have a quiet life whenever you want >it. > >> Could that just be because you are not asking proper questions in the first >> place? > >I doubt it. I didn't even start this argument in the first place - people >had already been asking this sort of thing before I'd even rejoined the >list. > Well you started it this time buster... >> Look, for once, just read what you put first before sending it. >> It is you that started asking muddled questions, not me. > >Oh yes Oh yes, muddled questions like: >Question (repeated) 3. Who runs West Coast Computers? > >I can just imagine the A-level essays people could write about the hidden >meanings in that one. I don't even understand why answering this should be >quite so much of a problem. It is you that started giving muddled answers, >not me. I didn't even start this argument in the first place - people had >already been asking this sort of thing before I'd even rejoined the list. >Now, do you deny that? No no, Mr Andrew sir! if I as a bystander am confused by your questions it is you that are muddled. > >Andrew > >PS, Nobody suggested that 'Mike "quotes" Roberts' worked at MGT so I >suspect there's no point asking Alan, unless he now works at WCC too >(which given the drastic change of policy is probably not the case) > > The way that the email was worded had me thinking the claim was he worked at MGT. > -- Samsboss The One And Only PS. can anybody tell me why these messages are still headed The Black Feet Gang? From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 18 09:11:54 1996 Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 08:53:18 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@galois.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SIMM Memory In-Reply-To: <199610171836.SAA06872@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 852 Lines: 26 On Thu, 17 Oct 1996 samsboss@uk.pipeline.com wrote: > On Oct 17, 1996 09:37:18, 'Justin Skists ' wrote: > > > >On Thu, 17 Oct 1996, Neville Young wrote: > > > >> > >> Just like to point out. > >> > >> You can put 30pin simms into a 72 pin slot using an adapter > >> so I would go for 72 pin slots. > > > >These SIMM-savers aren't 100% reliable... > > And have you seen the price??? Not for a while.. But, good point.. -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Don't take life so seriously, | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | you'll never survive it! | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | - (C) CamLoRTS 1996 | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 18 09:11:54 1996 Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 08:04:20 GMT From: Briansam@bgserv.demon.co.uk (Brian Gaff Sam Dept.) Message-Id: <18990@bgserv.demon.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: getting boring X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 282 Lines: 14 In message <199610170237_MC1-AF6-3DAE@compuserve.com> Neville Young writes: > why don't > davewhitmore@enterprise.net and FormatPub@aol.com > send their slagging off match direct to each other? > and keep the air waves clear. > > nev > > Agreed. Brian -- Brian Gaff Sam Dept. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 18 10:03:22 1996 Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 04:58:24 -0400 From: FormatPub@aol.com Message-Id: <961018045821_1581260509@emout14.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: First Question For Bob. Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 90 Lines: 6 In a message dated 17/10/96 20:31:35, you asked a question: Answer for SB-1: No. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 18 10:03:22 1996 Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 04:59:14 -0400 From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-Id: <961018045914_213843095@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: CHANGE OF LOCATION Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 679 Lines: 16 >From now on I'm moving the sam-users mailing to a separate mailbox on AOL. That way the FormatPub@aol.com will be free for business email, which is why I opened it in the first place. The new emailing address is BrenchleyR@aol.com and I will try to download that each evening. If you have an email related to your INDUG membership or the FORMAT and FORMAT PC magazines then please address it to 'FormatPub' because that emailbox will continue to be downloaded, usually twice a day. Hopefully this will allow me to get at the urgent things without needing to stay on line for so long during the high rate telephone hours, and also make sure that I don't miss anything. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 18 10:25:58 1996 Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 10:09:39 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9610180909.AA02803@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: CHANGE OF LOCATION X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 260 Lines: 7 > Hopefully this will allow me to get at the urgent things without needing to > stay on line for so long during the high rate telephone hours, and also make > sure that I don't miss anything. Wise move - you are beginning to become a real nettie. :) -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 18 10:25:58 1996 Message-Id: <9610180902.AA1242@worldcom-37.worldcom.com> To: sam-users From: Stefan Drissen Date: 18 Oct 96 10:48:44 Subject: Re: getting boring (NOT!) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1676 Lines: 44 ********************************************************************************************************* This document should only be read by those persons to whom it is addressed and is not intended to be relied upon by any person without subsequent written confirmation of its contents. Accordingly, Coopers & Lybrand disclaim all responsibility and accept no liability (including in negligence) for the consequences for any person acting, or refraining from acting, on such information prior to the receipt by those persons of subsequent written confirmation. If you have received this E-mail message in error, please notify us immediately by telephone. Please also destroy and delete the message from your computer. Any form of reproduction, dissemination, copying, disclosure, modification, distribution and/or publication of this E-mail message is strictly prohibited. ********************************************************************************************************* >In message <199610170237_MC1-AF6-3DAE@compuserve.com> Neville Young writes: >> why don't >> davewhitmore@enterprise.net and FormatPub@aol.com >> send their slagging off match direct to each other? >> and keep the air waves clear. >> >> nev >> >> >Agreed. > >Brian >-- >Brian Gaff Sam Dept. Honestly I can't agree. Firstly it is not a slagging match, it is simply some valid questions being asked by someone. Unfortunately the answers are /in my view/ not being given straight. I wouldn't have a clue why not. What is the point of having clear air waves? This would be a pretty pointless discussion group in that case. Stefan "sorry about the bolt-on" Drissen From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 18 10:48:05 1996 Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 05:45:28 -0400 From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-Id: <961018054527_545850323@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Questions Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1432 Lines: 29 In a message dated 17/10/96 20:31:39, asc25@hermes.cam.ac.uk (A.S. Collier) wrote yet another mish-mash of questions. Some of which I have already answered. Some questions for which I have already said I cannot provide an answer, and yet more questions that are so vague it is impossible to answer without writing page after page. All slung together with a mix of innuendos, disinformation and what appears to me to be a great deal of bias. Sorry, but, having given the matter much thought, I'm not going to continue this stupid game of cat and mouse with someone who is obviously going out of his way to be as difficult as it is possible to be. In a previous email I asked that questions should be straight and simple - that way I can answer them without constantly being forced to 'include' large sections of original text (and even bits of text from longer ago). I don't think this is to much to ask for and I think it is only fair as it will (a) keep the size of postings down and (b) make it easier to file things. Believe me when I say I don't mind answering questions. But remember I am very busy, and I find that wading through screens of text - trying to find out just what someone is getting at - is both time consuming and very difficult. So please, be fair, think before you press the send button. Because if I can't answer a question, without including lots of old text, then I'm not going to answer it. Bob. From imc Fri Oct 18 11:40:43 1996 Subject: Re: getting boring (NOT!) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 11:40:43 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <9610180902.AA1242@worldcom-37.worldcom.com> from "Stefan Drissen" at Oct 18, 96 10:48:44 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 244 Lines: 10 On 18 Oct 96 10:48:44, Stefan Drissen said: > Stefan "sorry about the bolt-on" Drissen Well at least I suppose it will compress well... imc [by which I mean, incidentally, that zip only has to record one copy of it in the compressed file] From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 18 11:52:38 1996 Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 11:49:18 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9610181049.AA02869@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: getting boring (NOT!) X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 206 Lines: 10 > Well at least I suppose it will compress well... > > imc > > [by which I mean, incidentally, that zip only has to record one copy of it > in the compressed file] Only if you tar them first... -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 18 11:53:37 1996 Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 06:48:55 -0400 From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-Id: <961018064855_545869227@emout19.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Reply to 17/10(20:31) message A.S.Collier. Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1855 Lines: 51 reply to message dated: 17/10/96 20:31:39, From: asc25@hermes.cam.ac.uk (A.S. Collier) Subject Heading: Re: The Black Feet Gang Ref 17/10/95 from FormatPub@aol Message was edited to make it smaller. That is what I said. Since taking on the role of marketing / distribution. Yes, I would have some say in where adverts went. Should more money ever be available, it would be nice to see more adverts. I would think that most SAM users, who use their machine for serious things, read FORMAT. WCC has done mailshots with FRED in the past. May do again in the future. Meanwhile both Fred and Sam Suppliment are West Coast dealers. Without knowing FREDs readership I could not say. Legal status of Publisher and Editor would be too lengthy to go into here. But both are responsible for what appears in print and can be open to legal action. We agree David Ledbury is a useless businessman. If he had had a very shrewd idea of what it was that Sam users actually wanted he would still be in business. Reply Q2. From memory how about SAM Quartet, SAM Prime, Phoenix... Reply a) I do not have personal knowledge on the rights issue. Reply b) Too general, please list titles you want answers to. I have made no 'disgraceful personal allegations' I have simply stated what has happened. If you did not start this argument then who did? The first email I have on file has you name on it. I doubt it. I didn't even start this argument in the first place - people. Reply question 3. Repeat earlier replies. Muddled questions = muddled answers. Please be clear. Do not mix questions and personal comments/innuendos in the same sentence because then it is not a question. Having re-read the email in question. I do not think I would be alone in thinking that you were saying 'Mike Roberts' worked for MGT. Alan Miles now works in the Middle East. Bob. From imc Fri Oct 18 12:07:18 1996 Subject: Re: getting boring (NOT!) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 12:07:18 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <9610181049.AA02869@asmal.edh-net> from "Frode Tenneboe" at Oct 18, 96 11:49:18 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 157 Lines: 6 On Fri, 18 Oct 1996 11:49:18 +0100, Frode Tenneboe said: > Only if you tar them first... You think I save each sam-users message in a separate file?! imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 18 12:20:43 1996 From: "j.d.teare" Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 12:18:38 GMT+0 Subject: Re: When is a ? not a ? Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-Id: <1B3ECB3B8C@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 820 Lines: 19 > >Small gramattical observation here: a set of words followed by a question > >mark, is a question. Sometimes you may even want to provide an answer to > >it. Here is an example of a question: > > Not always? You can put a question mark at the end of any sentence and that > does not make it a question - does it? Well I hardly think you are in any position to comment - a question mark denotes a question. That is it's sole purpose in life, and it is also why it has the very name it does have. If you see a question mark, it denotes a question. Full stop. And the sentence that you just used as an example of a statement and not a question is plain wrong. It is a question. And I don't intend to answer any more questions about question marks. Don't argue - I took ALevel English and got an A. Johnna From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 18 12:35:06 1996 From: "j.d.teare" Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 12:25:00 GMT+0 Subject: Re: The Black Feet Gang Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-Id: <1B64D61E42@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 505 Lines: 14 Andrew Collier wrote to Bob Brenchley: > I didn't even start this argument in the first place - people had > already been asking this sort of thing before I'd even rejoined the list. > Now, do you deny that? It was me guv'nor. I started the debate (I don't like to call it an argument because my inital question was asked in all innocence without expecting the barrage that was to follow.) So everybody, blame me! And after my last mailing I'm having to be oh-so-careful about my grammar! Johnna From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 18 12:35:06 1996 From: "j.d.teare" Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 12:32:04 GMT+0 Subject: Re: It's about WCC... Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-Id: <1B772A1C20@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 807 Lines: 19 Samsboss, In my mailing regarding Mike Roberts, I mentioned that the interview was in Sam Centre. Now, to the best of my knowledge, Sam Centre was started eons after MGT had crashed. In fact it was months after SAMCo had started up before we saw it in Your Sinclair, and the said interview was conducted after SAMCo had crahed with an alleged party in the West Coast buy-out affair. Once again, Andrew is right. And for those who think this is getting boring, I've renamed the header to 'It's about WCC...' so you can just zip down your mailbox and delete anything with that name on, can't you. And if you don't wish to do that then please be quiet as there are a few people here who wish to know the result (and I don't mean Samsboss 'hilarious' football match) of the questioning. :) Johnna From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 18 12:38:52 1996 Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 12:38:17 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9610181138.AA02888@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: getting boring (NOT!) X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 226 Lines: 9 > On Fri, 18 Oct 1996 11:49:18 +0100, Frode Tenneboe said: > > Only if you tar them first... > > You think I save each sam-users message in a separate file?! There is a difference between using tar and zip -u :) -Frode From imc Fri Oct 18 12:41:56 1996 Subject: Re: getting boring (NOT!) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 12:41:56 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <9610181138.AA02888@asmal.edh-net> from "Frode Tenneboe" at Oct 18, 96 12:38:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 240 Lines: 7 On Fri, 18 Oct 1996 12:38:17 +0100, Frode Tenneboe said: > There is a difference between using tar and zip -u :) This is irrelevant. I have a single mailbox containing a few hundred K of messages and I zip it up. No tar necessary. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 18 13:14:02 1996 Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 13:13:15 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9610181213.AA02973@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: getting boring (NOT!) X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 446 Lines: 12 > > On Fri, 18 Oct 1996 12:38:17 +0100, Frode Tenneboe said: > > There is a difference between using tar and zip -u :) > > This is irrelevant. I have a single mailbox containing a few hundred K > of messages and I zip it up. No tar necessary. My point was that if you only use zip, it will add the file as an indiviual ziped file to the archive not considering the compression-tree than can be gained from the rest of the archive. -Frode From imc Fri Oct 18 13:17:06 1996 Subject: Re: getting boring (NOT!) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 13:17:06 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <9610181213.AA02973@asmal.edh-net> from "Frode Tenneboe" at Oct 18, 96 01:13:15 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 332 Lines: 8 On Fri, 18 Oct 1996 13:13:15 +0100, Frode Tenneboe said: > My point was that if you only use zip, it will add the file as > an indiviual ziped file to the archive not considering the > compression-tree than can be gained from the rest of the archive. I know that, and my point was that there isn't any "rest of the archive". imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 18 13:28:34 1996 Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 13:27:44 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9610181227.AA02981@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: getting boring (NOT!) X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 591 Lines: 16 > On Fri, 18 Oct 1996 13:13:15 +0100, Frode Tenneboe said: > > My point was that if you only use zip, it will add the file as > > an indiviual ziped file to the archive not considering the > > compression-tree than can be gained from the rest of the archive. > > I know that, and my point was that there isn't any "rest of the archive". You said in a previous post: > [by which I mean, incidentally, that zip only has to record one copy of it > in the compressed file] My statement is then; Provided your version of zip is not totally different from mine, this is not true. :) -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 18 14:57:23 1996 Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 09:52:26 -0400 From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-Id: <961018095225_1778813010@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: A bit more for those that want it Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 5477 Lines: 96 Just a general response to a couple of direct emails I received over the last week of so. By spares I was referring to ASICS, SAA1099 sound chips and a few 1772 disc controller chips. These are the key parts needed to repair SAMs. Every six months I look at what is happening on the repairs side and, if necessary, buy a few more bits to add to the stock. What I am trying to do is ensure that if the worst happened and WCC closed, then there should be enough spare to last at least 5 years. The only problem chip on the list is the 1772 - these are in ever shorter supply so I just have to hope that we would get by on what we have. Having said that, the 1772 does seem to be fairly robust so it is very rare that they are needed for repairs. For a long time (and very long in terms of text as well) I have seen printed copies of most of the relevant items that have appeared on the SAM mailing list. I know that there are some people who do not like the fact that Format Publications has had such an influence on SAM. But in many cases I've just put that down to jealousy. I also know that there are several who, because they could not get their own way, feel that I have wronged them. The incident about a none working disc that was covered a few days ago is an example of this, do you really think that we didn't try a disc recorded on a different drive? I have been duplicating software since 1981 and I think I know most of the problems that can come up. The truth in that case was that there was a fault with the customers machine, something over which we had no control. The matter was sorted out and closed over two years ago if my memory is correct. Why it was thrown into the debate I'm not sure, if it was to catch me off guard, then it didn't. I have been involved with SAM from the start, appart from Alan and Bruce the only other person how has been involved in SAM as long is John Wase, I did do a lot to get it into production in the first place. And I am please to say that I have done an awful lot to keep it going over the years. I'm proud of my support for SAM. However, in some cases this has meant that I have had to keep quiet about things that have happened, you could say to avoid rocking the boat if you like. But that has never been done at the expense of SAM users. My first priority has been to INDUG members because they put their faith in me each year buy being members, an example of this was when I warned people not to be taken in by the claims that there was the possibility of a new ASIC - there never was - I know, I was in close contact with both Alan and Bruce when the story first appeared. My second priority has been to do what I can to keep thing going for the benefit of SAMs existing users (members or not). The weeks of work I did to help SAMCO rise from the ashes of MGT, the even longer hours I spent helping to rescue things after SAMCO went down. But, at least in the end SAM is still here. To those who don't understand business it may seem a mytery that lots of adverts are not appearing all over the place. It would be nice, but the truth is it is better to have a sustanable business than one that goes bust. My third prority is a loyalty to people who have placed their trust in me, and in many cases taken me into their confidence. I am old fashioned enough to think that my word should be my bond. If I have a sheet of paper that is marked Private and Confidential, then I respect. I do not like to be condemned and vilified for merely keeping my word. Even if it came down to answering yes or no to something - if it means betraying a confidence then I'm sorry, but I cannot answer. And anyone who says that they cannot comprehend my stand-point is being a bit thick. The history of SAM is long and complex, I know that there is even talk of a book on the subject one day. Many people who I called friends have come and gone, not all in the way I would have liked. Yes there are secrets in SAMs history, it would be very strange if there were not. And if I thought that keeping a secret would, in any way, damage an individual or group of people, then I would not keep that secret. If however, I think it is either irrelevent, or could prove possibly damaging to an individual or group, then of course I will keep quiet. WCC have tried to keep overheads low. I'm not betraying a confidence if I say that WCC's wage bill is - ZERO - as far as SAM is concerned anyway. At the very beginning Blue Alpha were contracted to build the hardware, keep the stocks, order the parts etc. I gave my services free to handle the order processing and some of the paperwork. The directors never took a penny from it, so you could say that the only two people who earned a living direct from SAM sales were Adrian and Mark (the only two people in Blue Alpha). As time went by, Rob Browning started doing a lot of the paperwork on a part-time basis in South Wales (and sometimes cadging a bit of office space here in Gloucester). When Blue Alpha went down I took charge of ordering components - simply because I was the mug that said ok I could spare a little time to do it. The ultimate point I would like to make is: I must be true to my convictions. If anyone has any problem with that then they are welcome to phone me (01452 412572) and I will be happy to discuss the matter at any length they like. Bob Brenchley. (c)1996 Format Publications. Not for distribution in full or in part without express permission. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 18 15:26:06 1996 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Dean Liversidge Organization: The Mad House To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 15:00:28 +0000 Subject: Re: Duplication? No, memory I think Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.32a) Message-Id: <845647944.3113.0@error.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1448 Lines: 32 > >On the other hand, we are talking about a particular machine which > >isn't superseded every year and doesn't have a 32-bit CPU or a hard > >drive attached to it [well not as standard anyway]. > True, but the size of the cpu or hard drive does not affect the > memory you use. And given that the Z80 is not the fastest processor, > the more memory you have the better. Maybe is doesn't actually effect the memory you use, but if the memory is there, people seem to use it. Instead of optimising code to make it fit in a certain amount of memory, it gets optimised to work faster, at the expense of space. > To be realistic, I think 4Mb on SAM would be enough. But I bet that > others will not agree. Oh for the days of the 1k ZX81 - no there was > a machine. Any amount of memory is enough until one person uses it all, then everyone else manages to use it all, then people need more, its a never ending story... A higher resolution video display would be very nice in my wish-list, but again that would really increase the memory requirements, and the toll on the overstressed CPU. Bye -- Dean Liversidge .__ . , Co-Sysop of Dalmation BBS | \ _.|._ _ _.-+-* _ ._ The First SAM Bulletin Board |__/(_]|[ | )(_] | |(_)[ ) Saturday 12:00pm till midnight. >>>>>>> +44 1744 614150 >>>>>> Sysop: Dave Whitmore From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 18 15:59:04 1996 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Dean Liversidge Organization: The Mad House To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 11:54:54 +0000 Subject: Re: The Black Feet Gang Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.32a) Message-Id: <845647944.3111.0@error.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 612 Lines: 17 > In a message dated 16/10/96 12:19:09, you write: > > >David did a *lot* of *good* for SAM. > > Rubbish!!! I don't know what David L. did that you lot are all arguing about, would some /unbiased/ person please fill us un-informed people in with the story. Bye -- Dean Liversidge .__ . , Co-Sysop of Dalmation BBS | \ _.|._ _ _.-+-* _ ._ The First SAM Bulletin Board |__/(_]|[ | )(_] | |(_)[ ) Saturday 12:00pm till midnight. >>>>>>> +44 1744 614150 >>>>>> Sysop: Dave Whitmore From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 18 16:01:32 1996 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Dean Liversidge Organization: The Mad House To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 11:54:53 +0000 Subject: Re: Duplication Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.32a) Message-Id: <845647945.3120.0@error.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1101 Lines: 23 > On the SIMM thing again: I can understand people wanting one > meg, for use as a soft drive, and I can understand up to > 4 megs - a few soft drives and a big area for sound sampling. > But 16 Meg??!!! Are you kidding?! What would you do with it? > (On the SAM, remember). Are we going to get to the stage where > programs come on 16 discs and have to be installed on a hard-drive? Maybe someone is thinking of porting Windows 95 to the SAM !!! ;-) Mind you, if was done in assembler like all good things are on the Sam then it should only need about 2 Meg. But I agree, unless the hard drive becomes a very real option for everyone, then no programs will need that much space, because you cant do anything with any data that is stored there. Bye -- Dean Liversidge .__ . , Co-Sysop of Dalmation BBS | \ _.|._ _ _.-+-* _ ._ The First SAM Bulletin Board |__/(_]|[ | )(_] | |(_)[ ) Saturday 12:00pm till midnight. >>>>>>> +44 1744 614150 >>>>>> Sysop: Dave Whitmore From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 18 16:05:32 1996 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Dean Liversidge Organization: The Mad House To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 15:00:28 +0000 Subject: Re: SIMM Memory Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.32a) Message-Id: <845647949.3128.0@error.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1589 Lines: 40 FormatPub said: >But then it wouldn't be much good as a commersial project for Bob, >would it, and not really an alternative to the normal 1Mb mem >expansion. Unless it was sold as a memory carrier module for your >own memory purchases. > I think that would be the ideal way to sell it. OK, fair enough, it probably would be good for that reason, but I still am not too sure about the long-term availability of 30pin SIMM memory, yes there is a lot of it around on the second hand market, but it's not always cheap, and a lot of people are reluctant to buy second hand memory. A lot of the second hand 30pin SIMM's are also now being used by people moving into Pentium based machines in the form of 'SIMM saver' boards so as to use up the 'redundant' SIMM's in boards that only accept 72pin SIMMS, so reducing not flooding the market with used SIMMs. > On neither can he guarantee availability from day to day and every > batch has different price. True, and it will be going up again towards Xmas! > > If you buy 30pin simms from a 'mate' you will probabley not need to > pay too much. I picked up 4x1Mb for a printer the other day for > #10. Hmm, maybe i'll set my printer on printing loads of 'hash's' ;-) only kiding. Bye -- Dean Liversidge .__ . , Co-Sysop of Dalmation BBS | \ _.|._ _ _.-+-* _ ._ The First SAM Bulletin Board |__/(_]|[ | )(_] | |(_)[ ) Saturday 12:00pm till midnight. >>>>>>> +44 1744 614150 >>>>>> Sysop: Dave Whitmore From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 18 16:16:05 1996 Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 15:57:59 +0100 From: D.M.Zambonini@cs.cf.ac.uk (D M Zambonini) Message-Id: <199610181457.PAA12691@aron.cs.cf.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: The final word... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Md5: qkgjasE4dGLNuvInvL1LgQ== Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 40 Lines: 1 unsubscribe sam-users-flame@nvg.unit.no From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 18 16:41:08 1996 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Dean Liversidge Organization: The Mad House To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 16:26:59 +0000 Subject: Re: First Question For Bob. Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.32a) Message-Id: <845652487.1079.0@error.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 686 Lines: 17 > Answer for SB-1: No. Why is it that when the questions were 'vague' then the whole question was over-quoted, now you can't even quote a single line question. Can we not find a compromise with quoting text, like only quoting the sections that are relevant to the reply, also keeping the context. ie the question and not the junk. Bye -- Dean Liversidge .__ . , Co-Sysop of Dalmation BBS | \ _.|._ _ _.-+-* _ ._ The First SAM Bulletin Board |__/(_]|[ | )(_] | |(_)[ ) Saturday 12:00pm till midnight. >>>>>>> +44 1744 614150 >>>>>> Sysop: Dave Whitmore From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 18 16:47:04 1996 Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 16:43:54 +0100 (BST) From: "A.S. Collier" X-Sender: asc25@navy.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Reply to 17/10(20:31) message A.S.Collier. In-Reply-To: <961018064855_545869227@emout19.mail.aol.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 87 Lines: 5 For the third time, how many of David Ledbury's business incarnations can you name? From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 18 16:53:41 1996 Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 16:46:50 +0100 (BST) From: "A.S. Collier" X-Sender: asc25@navy.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Reply to 17/10(20:31) message A.S.Collier. In-Reply-To: <961018064855_545869227@emout19.mail.aol.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 164 Lines: 8 (The point being that Sam Prime and Sam Quartet were magazines, not businesses. I thought I'd put this in a seperate file so you couldn't possibly confuse it) From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 18 16:53:55 1996 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Dean Liversidge Organization: The Mad House To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 16:26:59 +0000 Subject: Format / WCC Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.32a) Message-Id: <845652488.1081.0@error.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1908 Lines: 48 > Message was edited to make it smaller. That is what I said. No, you said to make it as small as possible. quote >>>>> (edited to get is as small as possible folks - Bob.) In which you managed to reply to a message of 156 lines (including subject etc...), with a message of 236 lines (inc...), not that i'm counting or anthing ;-) > Since taking on the role of marketing / distribution. Yes, I would > have some say in where adverts went. Should more money ever be > available, it would be nice to see more adverts. So how do the advertising rate compare in Format to those in Fred? Assuming WCC actually pay the advertising costs? > I would think that most SAM users, who use their machine for serious > things, read FORMAT. Why do SAM users have to use there machine 'seriousley' ??? > Legal status of Publisher and Editor would be too lengthy to go into > here. But both are responsible for what appears in print and can be > open to legal action. Is there any reason why you cannot publish products that people are working on, whether they be 'reputable' companies or public-projects, ie somebody like me creating hardware with a view to production or selling the design. People need to know if there is a market for something they are designing, dont they? [ snipped ..... loads of replies to questions that need to be re-read because the question was not quoted, again. ] > Alan Miles now works in the Middle East. Does anyone know if Alan or Bruce are still interested in the Sam scene or if it is just now history for them? Bye -- Dean Liversidge .__ . , Co-Sysop of Dalmation BBS | \ _.|._ _ _.-+-* _ ._ The First SAM Bulletin Board |__/(_]|[ | )(_] | |(_)[ ) Saturday 12:00pm till midnight. >>>>>>> +44 1744 614150 >>>>>> Sysop: Dave Whitmore From imc Fri Oct 18 18:45:15 1996 Subject: Re: The Black Feet Gang To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 18:45:15 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "A.S. Collier" at Oct 16, 96 10:50:38 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 543 Lines: 12 On Wed, 16 Oct 1996 22:50:38 +0100 (BST), A.S. Collier said: > Small gramattical observation here: a set of words followed by a question > mark, is a question. Sometimes you may even want to provide an answer to > it. Here is an example of a question: Small grammatical observation here: it's spelled "grammatical". :-) Also, assuming you wouldn't write a sentence like "John, is hungry", that comma is somewhat superfluous. imc (who doesn't usually post grammatical flames unless the flamed article is itself a grammatical flame...) From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 18 20:28:56 1996 Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 16:52:22 +0100 (BST) From: "A.S. Collier" X-Sender: asc25@navy.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: It's about WCC.... In-Reply-To: <845647944.3111.0@error.demon.co.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 453 Lines: 16 On Fri, 18 Oct 1996, Dean Liversidge wrote: > I don't know what David L. did that you lot are all arguing about, would > some /unbiased/ person please fill us un-informed people in with the > story. I don't think we'd ever find an /unbiased/ observer re David Ledbury. Love him or hate him, you can't deny that he did a lot of something! I suppose that, by the fact you don't know David, he obviously can't have done Sam that much harm. Andrew From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 18 20:38:41 1996 Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 17:39:44 +0100 From: Diggory Gray (PWE) Message-Id: <199610181639.RAA14058@ugs2> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Memory? X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1015 Lines: 27 If such memory expansions were made, then they could be used for storing Quazar sounds. Would it be possible to use virtual memory for the Quazar sound card, by compressing the data to increase the rate of data transfer for long samples etc? Hopefully my SAM will be fixed shortly with a new ASIC. Another question: I have downloaded XCoupe, but it does not compile on this UNIX system. I get the following response: 6 ugs2% xmkmf -a usage: /usr/openwin/bin/xmkmf [top_of_sources_pathname [current_directory]] 7 ugs2% make xcoupe rm -f xcoupe gcc -o xcoupe -O -R:/usr/openwin/lib -L/usr/openwin/lib -lsocket -lnsl -lXext -lX11 Undefined first referenced symbol in file main /opt/FSFgcc/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-solaris2.5/2.7.2/crt1.o ld: fatal: Symbol referencing errors. No output written to xcoupe *** Error code 1 make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `xcoupe' 8 ugs2% Not being very streetwise with UNIX yet I'm at a loss to know what to do. Diggory From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 18 20:38:41 1996 Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 17:39:58 +0100 (BST) From: "A.S. Collier" X-Sender: asc25@navy.csi.cam.ac.uk To: Sam-users Subject: It's about WCC... In-Reply-To: <199610172119.VAA13397@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 107 Lines: 10 Okay Samsboss, forget about everything else. Why is "Who runs West Coast Computers" muddled? Andrew From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 18 21:00:08 1996 Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 18:08:50 +0100 (BST) From: "A.S. Collier" X-Sender: asc25@navy.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re. It's about WCC..... In-Reply-To: <961018064855_545869227@emout19.mail.aol.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 4591 Lines: 105 Note, if a paragraph does not contain a numbered question, it nevertheless may or may not contain statements or points with which you will wish to agree, disagree or argue. I make no apologies that there is a mixture of context, replies and questions, but I am certainly not trying to be awkward. I'm not (deliberately) putting in hidden meanings so, I agree, there's no point you wasting your time looking for any. This is a letter, not a questionnaire and I will not accept that as an excuse for dodging an issue. Not all conversation can be limited to a list of numbered questions. On Fri, 18 Oct 1996 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > If he had had a very shrewd idea of what it was that Sam users actually > wanted he would still be in business. He *does* have the ideas. He is also sort-of in the business; I didn't say he wasn't involved in production which is where he is best placed. The marketing, advertising and distribution is, however, now firmly in the hands of Malcolm MacKenzie who has much more skill in that field. > Reply a) I do not have personal knowledge on the rights issue. > Reply b) Too general, please list titles you want answers to. No I won't this time. And I'll explain myself, it is because a) I have already given a list of games to which Malcolm has rights, and you keep saying not to quote previous mails because you can look back at them yourself. b) Sales of _any_ of those titles are relavent since Malcolm says that he has contracts for all of them (though I am unsure of the dates from which these contracts have applied, and that is probably different for every program) c) You'd accuse me of prying into very personal issues, when in fact that wasn't the idea when I'm only looking for a general picture. > I have made no 'disgraceful personal allegations' I have simply stated what > has happened. 1. What do you call this then? > David Ledbury had done more than any other person I can think of to > bring the Sam world into disrepute 2. Precisely how did he do that? 3. With whom does the Sam have a bad reputation as a direct result of only David Ledbury? You have not stated anything which has happened, other than the matters which have now been cleared up. Besides, any game orders which didn't get through were usually due to the programmers who didn't send on the final master copies. Those games had never been formally released, so anyone who placed an order understood that he was doing so in advance. Meanwhile, what you did do was to deny any suggestion that anything good has ever come out of David Ledbury. When anybody has tried to defend him you say > Rubbish! without ever really explaining yourself. > If you did not start this argument then who did? The first email I have on > file has you name on it. Well, I wouldn't have been able to answer this, obviously, since like I said it had started before I rejoined. However, the real culprit has owned up so that no longer matters. Note that if you had actually read the email with my name on it, you'd have noticed me refer to another mail to which your reply avoided the question: Who runs West Coast Computers? > Muddled questions = muddled answers. Please be clear. Do not mix questions Hard questions = no answers at all. > and personal comments/innuendos in the same sentence because then it is not a > question. Find me one example of that. > Having re-read the email in question. I do not think I would be alone in > thinking that you were saying 'Mike Roberts' worked for MGT. a) I have never mentioned him. b) That email never mentioned MGT. c) It did mention the negotiations over West Coast. So, all in all I think you would. I understood exactly what he was talking about (but you'll say: You understand your own emails and so therefore you would understand anything) > Alan Miles now works in the Middle East. Ah, Okay. One last thing, (I can't quote the context because you said not to at the bottom of the letter) I had no idea whether or not you had tried different Sams to copy the game. All I know about the situation is what had been mailed, and you mailed to say that you checked the disk several times, but that only once did you send a different one. If that was formatted on the same Sam as the first, it probably still wouldn't work as I said. The fact that it checked fine on more than one isn't the point, and I will explain exactly why, seperately, if you ask me to. Anyway, from your own descriptions you could only have copied the game using at most two Sams, so perhaps that wasn't enough. That's all I was saying. Andrew From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 18 21:00:09 1996 Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 17:24:11 GMT Message-Id: <199610181724.RAA13408@pipe1.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: First Question For Bob. From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) Cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Pipeuser: samsboss X-Pipehub: uk.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 684 Lines: 29 On Oct 17, 1996 21:39:35, '"A.S. Collier" ' wrote: > >On Thu, 17 Oct 1996, Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com wrote: > >> >> >interests. As SAM users, we feel that we have a right to ask the >> questions. >> >> >Do you think that we don't? >> >> Grow up - do you think you have the rights to do anything in this country? > >Funnily enough, I did actually think we had freedom of speech. How silly >of me to have been so dense. > >I assume that you do think that we don't... (but why do you ask a question >later on then?) > >Andrew > > Very few rights left these days, but that being dense is one of them. -- Samsboss The One And Only From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 18 21:00:10 1996 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Dean Liversidge Organization: The Mad House To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 16:26:59 +0000 Subject: Re: A bit more for those that want it Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.32a) Message-Id: <845652491.1100.0@error.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 502 Lines: 13 [ all snipped due to copyright] Thanks Bob, now they were helpfull answer, and i think that also answers a few questions that have been asked before. Bye -- Dean Liversidge .__ . , Co-Sysop of Dalmation BBS | \ _.|._ _ _.-+-* _ ._ The First SAM Bulletin Board |__/(_]|[ | )(_] | |(_)[ ) Saturday 12:00pm till midnight. >>>>>>> +44 1744 614150 >>>>>> Sysop: Dave Whitmore From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 18 21:00:10 1996 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Dean Liversidge Organization: The Mad House To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 16:26:59 +0000 Subject: Re: The Black Feet Gang Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.32a) Message-Id: <845652488.1080.0@error.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1039 Lines: 33 Hi Bob, This is a reply to a old question now but I don't think anyone replied at the time: > Before I start answering this, could someone please tell me why so > many lines start with > Fac> Is this another of the strange > aberrations of netspeak? This is from a mailer program that tries the reply to a message by quoting the name of the person who wrote the original message to which the reply is to, instead of just using '>' to show quoted material. i.e. Format@aol.com F = Format a = aol c = com > = quoted text follows Normaly this would search out the first initial of the message sender but in internet mai it is slightly more complicated. [200 odd lines snipped] Bye -- Dean Liversidge .__ . , Co-Sysop of Dalmation BBS | \ _.|._ _ _.-+-* _ ._ The First SAM Bulletin Board |__/(_]|[ | )(_] | |(_)[ ) Saturday 12:00pm till midnight. >>>>>>> +44 1744 614150 >>>>>> Sysop: Dave Whitmore From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 18 21:00:10 1996 Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 18:01:06 GMT Message-Id: <199610181801.SAA05825@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Duplication From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) Cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Pipeuser: samsboss X-Pipehub: uk.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1101 Lines: 30 On Oct 18, 1996 11:54:53, 'Dean Liversidge ' wrote: >> On the SIMM thing again: I can understand people wanting one >> meg, for use as a soft drive, and I can understand up to >> 4 megs - a few soft drives and a big area for sound sampling. >> But 16 Meg??!!! Are you kidding?! What would you do with it? >> (On the SAM, remember). Are we going to get to the stage where >> programs come on 16 discs and have to be installed on a hard-drive? > >Maybe someone is thinking of porting Windows 95 to the SAM !!! ;-) >Mind you, if was done in assembler like all good things are on the >Sam then it should only need about 2 Meg. > >But I agree, unless the hard drive becomes a very real option for >everyone, then no programs will need that much space, because you >cant do anything with any data that is stored there. The hard drive is a real option for everyone. I've got a 120Mb. And Mr Morgan had a 1Gb at the last Haydock show I went to. > > >Bye >-- >Dean Liversidge .__ . , - Samsboss The One And Only From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 18 21:00:19 1996 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19961018172716.006c9058@mail.netwales.co.uk> X-Sender: e0021@mail.netwales.co.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 18:27:16 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Matt Round Subject: Re: A bit more for those that want it Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1291 Lines: 28 Bob Brenchley wrote... >an example of this was when I warned people not to be >taken in by the claims that there was the possibility of a new ASIC - there >never was - I know, I was in close contact with both Alan and Bruce when the >story first appeared. I'm not using this email address for anything other than this mailing list (main email address is malevolent@dial.pipex.com), don't read it all, and hadn't planned on writing anything more to it... ..but I can't let you get away with writing that, Bob, despite not being one of those people who'd rank you alongside Hitler and Saddam Hussein ;) I don't know which set of rumours is being referred to, but I _clearly_ remember a telephone conversation years back (before I did anything for Fred etc.) when I was at uni in which YOU raised the topic of the possibility of a new SAM with a brand new ASIC, how it would allow hardware sprites, the processor could perhaps be built into it along with some fast 'scratchpad' memory, etc.. To be fair, you certainly didn't say it would definitely happen, I think you said something like "but that's something for the future, we've got to make a success of the SAM the way it is for now", but you strongly voiced the possibility, and isn't that exactly how such rumours start..? Matt. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 18 21:00:19 1996 Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 18:01:09 GMT Message-Id: <199610181801.SAA05829@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: When is a ? not a ? From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) Cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Pipeuser: samsboss X-Pipehub: uk.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1482 Lines: 40 On Oct 18, 1996 12:18:38, '"j.d.teare" ' wrote: > >> >Small gramattical observation here: a set of words followed by a question >> >mark, is a question. Sometimes you may even want to provide an answer to >> >it. Here is an example of a question: >> >> Not always? You can put a question mark at the end of any sentence and that >> does not make it a question - does it? > >Well I hardly think you are in any position to comment - a question >mark denotes a question. That is it's sole purpose in life, and it is >also why it has the very name it does have. If you see a question >mark, it denotes a question. Full stop. And the sentence that you >just used as an example of a statement and not a question is plain >wrong. It is a question. And I don't intend to answer any more questions >about question marks. You can put a question mark at the end of any sentence, but that does not make it a question. The content of the sentence and its construction is what makes it a question. Adding a question mark at the end is just a common aid to understanding that is used by most. I would expect anyone that is involved in computers would understand that just because you put a collection of words and punctuation together it does not necessarily mean the outcome will work or produce what is expected. > >Don't argue - I took ALevel English and got an A. > Oh, only A Level. >Johnna -- Samsboss The One And Only From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 18 21:00:20 1996 Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 18:01:04 GMT Message-Id: <199610181801.SAA05821@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: getting boring (NOT!) From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) Cc: sam-users X-Pipeuser: samsboss X-Pipehub: uk.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1092 Lines: 48 On Oct 18, 1996 10:48:44, 'Stefan Drissen ' wrote: >>In message <199610170237_MC1-AF6-3DAE@compuserve.com> Neville Young writes: >>> why don't >>> davewhitmore@enterprise.net and FormatPub@aol.com >>> send their slagging off match direct to each other? >>> and keep the air waves clear. >>> >>> nev >>> >>> >>Agreed. >> >>Brian >>-- >>Brian Gaff Sam Dept. > >Honestly I can't agree. Firstly it is not a slagging match, it is simply some > >valid questions being asked by someone. Unfortunately the answers are /in my >view/ not being given straight. I wouldn't have a clue why not. Yes, but are the question being asked in a way that can be answered? > >What is the point of having clear air waves? This would be a pretty pointless >discussion group in that case. Agreed, but it would be nice if Andrew put things clearly so we can get the answers over with. > > >Stefan "sorry about the bolt-on" Drissen Makes you sound the something Dr Frankenstine put together :-) > -- Samsboss The One And Only From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 18 21:00:20 1996 Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 18:01:16 GMT Message-Id: <199610181801.SAA05838@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Reply to 17/10(20:31) message A.S.Collier. From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) Cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Pipeuser: samsboss X-Pipehub: uk.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 561 Lines: 18 On Oct 18, 1996 16:46:50, '"A.S. Collier" ' wrote: >(The point being that Sam Prime and Sam Quartet were magazines, not >businesses. I thought I'd put this in a seperate file so you couldn't >possibly confuse it) -- Question: What is the difference between running a business selling a disk based mag and running any other business? Answer: Mags don't count as businesses to Mr Collier. Strange that. My dictionary has one definition of Business as "selling products or services for money" Samsboss The One And Only From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 18 21:00:20 1996 Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 18:01:18 GMT Message-Id: <199610181801.SAA05842@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: It's about WCC.... From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) Cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Pipeuser: samsboss X-Pipehub: uk.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 330 Lines: 13 On Oct 18, 1996 16:52:22, '"A.S. Collier" ' wrote: >I suppose that, by the fact you don't know David, he obviously can't have >done Sam that much harm. > >Andrew -- He did not say he did not know David. Looks like you can't read questions as well as not write them. Samsboss The One And Only From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 18 21:00:21 1996 Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 18:01:14 GMT Message-Id: <199610181801.SAA05834@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Duplication? No, memory I think From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) Cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Pipeuser: samsboss X-Pipehub: uk.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 857 Lines: 26 On Oct 18, 1996 15:00:28, 'Dean Liversidge ' wrote: >A higher resolution video display would be very nice in my wish-list, >but again that would really increase the memory requirements, and the >toll on the overstressed CPU. It would not have to put a toll on the CPU. One way would be to allow another processor to catch writes to the video ram and expand things into another block of memory. This is just how many parts of the PCs system work. If the SAM's internal screen is then switched off then the CPU will run faster. I think this is how Simon Cooke's system accelerator worked in reverse - and if it can work one way then why not the other. And what about hardware sprites and screen plains? again that would free the CPU for other things. > >Bye >-- >Dean Liversidge -- Samsboss The One And Only From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 18 21:00:26 1996 Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 14:56:51 -0400 From: Neville Young <106166.1560@compuserve.com> Subject: gone To: sam users Message-Id: <199610181457_MC1-B1D-F27F@compuserve.com> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 5 Lines: 1 Bye. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 18 21:00:26 1996 Message-Id: <199610181921.UAA28556@mail.enterprise.net> X-Authentication-Warning: mail.enterprise.net: Host max05-017.enterprise.net [194.72.198.17] didn't use HELO protocol From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: A bit more for those that want it Date: 18 Oct 1996 20:15:16 X-Newsreader: Spot 1.3/NetGate 1.1 Mime-Version: 1.1 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 4095 Lines: 61 In a message of 18 Oct 96 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote to sam-users@nvg.unit.no: Hi BrenchleyR@aol.com, I wouldn't have bothered answering this post, but you seem to be enjoying all of this controversy more than any of us, so here goes. You complain about quotes in messages. Well that's the way it is Bob. I doubt that even you can influence the rest of the internet on that score. Before you ask why your quotes are prefixed with 'Bac>', it's just the way my email program handles mail. It is not uncommon that mailers do this. I use this one for all my mail; including Internet email, mailing lists, Fidonet, Usenet and Dalmation BBS. Bac> fact that Format Publications has had such an influence on SAM. But in Bac> many cases I've just put that down to jealousy. Wrong. I can't speak for the others, but I'm not jealous at all. Actually that comment is quite insulting. :( I believe that you think of the "SAM world" as your own personal empire. Bac> I also know that there are several who, because they could not get Bac> their own way, feel that I have wronged them. The incident about a none Bac> working disc that was covered a few days ago is an example of this, do Bac> you really think that we didn't try a disc recorded on a different Bac> drive? I have been duplicating software since 1981 and I think I know Bac> most of the problems that can come up. The truth in that case was that Bac> there was a fault with the customers machine, something over which we Bac> had no control. The matter was sorted out and closed over two years ago Bac> if my memory is correct. Why it was thrown into the debate I'm not Bac> sure, if it was to catch me off guard, then it didn't. Well Bob. I didn't throw that comment in to catch you off guard at all. It was actually used in relation to the fact that to deal with Revelation (WCC & everything else) we have to deal through you. However, since you've put your side of the story, I'll finish it off. There's something that you don't know. When Nigel failed to get a satisfactory copy. Unbeknown to you, someone that I know tried a copy of the same game on Nigel's SAM. Fact: *It* *worked* *first* *time!* So your claim that Nigel's SAM was faulty was just *not* correct. It was all down to the duplication in the first place. And I *know* that this is true. Nigel gave up asking you for another copy. He was totally pissed off. His whole interst in SAM was destroyed by your attitude. He was a (still is) good programmer who felt as though he had been shit on by the SAM "establishment". Bac> I have been involved with SAM from the start, appart from Alan and Bac> Bruce the only other person how has been involved in SAM as long is So really, Indug has never been a truly Independant users group. I don't think that CUPUG had any sort of controlling interests in the affairs of Commodore. There have been plenty independant user magazines for SAM. Ones that have put themselves out to promote SAM for very little or nil gain. SAM Supplement for instance, SAM2SAM another one. BOAI, FRED, SAMDISK, Enceladus, Chips, Prime.. Lot's of others. Oh, and not forgetting SCAC. :) It is the users who have made the popular subculture of SAM what it is. Lot's of us who collectively love Bruce Gordon's wonderful machine. Granted, you've been there all along, you've helped out and put in a lot of effort and finance behind it, we do not dispute that, but having it rammed down our throats all the time doesn't really have an endearing effect. Sorry, but it doesn't. Bac> the possibility of a new ASIC - there never was - I know, I was in Bac> close contact with both Alan and Bruce when the story first appeared. So Bruce fed Simon a load of bull then? Sorry again; I tend to believe Simon's version of events. BTW - I didn't ask permission to quote your text. :) I have been forwarding mail from here into the Dalmation BBS message base before you came in this group. I don't see why group members can't cross-post, print out, or distribute *any* posts made the group, in any way they like. Bye, _ |_)ave From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 18 21:00:26 1996 Message-Id: <199610181921.UAA28572@mail.enterprise.net> X-Authentication-Warning: mail.enterprise.net: Host max05-017.enterprise.net [194.72.198.17] didn't use HELO protocol From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: First Question For Bob. Date: 18 Oct 1996 20:16:07 X-Newsreader: Spot 1.3/NetGate 1.1 Mime-Version: 1.1 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 360 Lines: 13 In a message of 18 Oct 96 Dean Liversidge wrote to sam-users@nvg.unit.no: Hi Dean, DL> Can we not find a compromise with quoting text, like only quoting the DL> sections that are relevant to the reply, also keeping the context. ie DL> the question and not the junk. Take no notice of all that crap Dean. Nobody does on Dalmation. :)) Bye, _ |_)ave From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Oct 18 22:34:59 1996 Message-Id: <199610182032.VAA05370@mail.enterprise.net> X-Authentication-Warning: mail.enterprise.net: Host max06-095.enterprise.net [194.72.198.95] didn't use HELO protocol From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Echo Stats : 12 Oct 1996 - 18 Oct 1996 Date: 18 Oct 1996 21:27:10 X-Newsreader: Spot 1.3 1234/NetGate 1.1 Mime-Version: 1.1 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 5374 Lines: 81 +-----------------------------------------------+ | Stats For Area : SAM.USERS.MAILING.LIST | | Date Created : 18 Oct 1996 | | Period Covered : 12 Oct 1996 - 18 Oct 1996 | | Days Covered : 7 | | No. Of Messages : 278 | +-----------------------------------------------+ +---------------------+ | Echomail Writers | +----+---------------------+------------------------------------------+ | Average | | No. Name bytes/msg Quoted From | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | 1. # Formatpub@aol.com ... .......... .......1729 ... 5.1% .. 34 | | 2. # Ian.collier@comlab.ox. .......... ........903 .. 13.3% .. 22 | | 3. # Simon Cooke ......... .......... ...... 1295 ... 9.6% .. 21 | | 4. # Samsboss@uk.pipeline.c .......... ...... 1513 ... 9.7% .. 18 | | 5. # Andrew M Gale ....... .......... ....... 743 .. 15.1% .. 16 | | 6. # A.s. Collier ........ .......... ...... 2237 ... 5.3% .. 15 | | 7. # J.d.teare ........... .......... ....... 744 .. 13.9% .. 14 | | 8. # Neville Young ....... .......... ....... 971 .. 12.7% .. 14 | | 9. # Brian Gaff Sam Dept. .......... ....... 819 .. 14.3% .. 14 | | 10. # Frode Tenneboe ...... .......... ....... 792 .. 13.3% .. 13 | | 11. # Stefan Drissen ...... .......... ...... 2156 ... 7.9% .. 13 | | 12. # Dave Whitmore ....... .......... ...... 2052 .. 36.3% ... 9 | | 13. # David Gommeren ...... .......... ...... 1496 ... 8.0% ... 8 | | 14. # Dan Doore ........... .......... ....... 767 .. 13.2% ... 7 | | 15. # Si Owen ............. .......... ...... 1423 ... 7.7% ... 7 | | 16. # D M Zambonini ....... .......... ....... 612 .. 17.9% ... 6 | | 17. # Mr P R Walker ....... .......... ....... 462 .. 23.8% ... 6 | | 18. # Gavin Smith ......... .......... ....... 739 .. 13.7% ... 5 | | 19. # Justin Skists ....... .......... ...... 1027 .. 12.4% ... 4 | | 20. # Slawek@math.uni-goetti .......... ....... 509 .. 25.3% ... 4 | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | 21. # Dean Liversidge ..... .......... ...... 1815 ... 6.5% ... 3 | | 22. # Appendixless-boy .. . .......... ....... 791 .. 15.5% ... 3 | | 23. # Tim Wells ........... .......... ...... 1526 ... 7.0% ... 3 | | 24. # Samsboss ............ .......... ...... 1364 ... 9.3% ... 3 | | 25. # Allan Skillman ...... .......... ...... 1483 ... 7.0% ... 2 | | 26. # Dave Hooper ......... .......... ....... 197 .. 55.1% ... 2 | | 27. # Tim Paveley ......... .......... ...... 1046 .. 13.0% ... 2 | | 28. # Robert Van Der Veeke .......... ...... 1075 .. 12.0% ... 2 | | 29. # A.d.r. .............. .......... ...... 1314 ... 6.9% ... 2 | | 30. # David Munden ........ .......... ....... 534 .. 20.4% ... 1 | | 31. # Sl. Harding ......... .......... ...... 2020 ... 5.3% ... 1 | | 32. # Warthog ............. .......... ....... 288 .. 35.7% ... 1 | | 33. # The Uncared For ..... .......... ....... 723 .. 18.5% ... 1 | | 34. # De Boss Man ......... .......... ....... 948 .. 13.7% ... 1 | | 35. # The Boss ............ .......... ...... 2961 ... 3.4% ... 1 | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ +--------------------+ | Echomail Subjects | +----+--------------------+-------------------------------------------+ | Average | | No. Subject bytes/subj. New Total | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | 1. SIMM Memory ............................ 1043 .. 87.3% .. 45 | | 2. The Black Feet Gang .................... 2588 .. 92.2% .. 34 | | 3. Let's clear the air then. .............. 1713 .. 87.4% .. 19 | | 4. Newsgroups and other animals ........... 1093 .. 88.7% .. 17 | | 5. Sam Users list - first iteration. ...... 1338 .. 90.3% .. 17 | | 6. Discs with SimCoupe .................... 1380 .. 91.3% .. 16 | | 7. Duplication ............................. 922 .. 88.3% ... 9 | | 8. Don't hold your breath .................. 585 .. 81.2% ... 9 | | 9. unsubscribe ............................. 622 .. 83.0% ... 7 | | 10. Mailer quibbles ........................ 1368 .. 92.5% ... 7 | | 11. Whoooo are you - oo oo - oo oo.. ........ 600 .. 77.6% ... 7 | | 12. SAM C ................................... 904 .. 87.9% ... 6 | | 13. getting boring ......................... 1033 .. 85.8% ... 5 | | 14. SIMMply put... ......................... 1299 .. 90.9% ... 5 | | 15. Sam Users list - Arguments R Us? ....... 1033 .. 88.6% ... 4 | | 16. Extending the BASIC.. .................. 1708 .. 93.0% ... 4 | | 17. The Greatest Gameshow In The Galaxy .... 1164 .. 89.6% ... 3 | | 18. UNSUBSCRIBE ............................. 646 .. 80.1% ... 3 | | 19. THE GLOUCESTER SHOW ..................... 280 .. 65.2% ... 3 | | 20. I don't believe it! .................... 1703 .. 88.9% ... 3 | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sat Oct 19 05:49:36 1996 Message-Id: <9610182247.AA04484@mars.cableol.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Neil Maynard To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 23:52:00 +0000 Subject: DOS Emulator Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 400 Lines: 10 I know that this subject has be raised **many** times but last time i seem to recall that someone said that they were working on an MS-DOS based emulator. Is there any news on this project ? Neil Maynard +-------------------------------+ |Neil Maynard | |E-Mail: mne2@cableol.co.uk | +-------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sat Oct 19 05:49:36 1996 Message-Id: <9610182247.AA05010@mars.cableol.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Neil Maynard To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 23:52:00 +0000 Subject: Re: A bit more for those that want it Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 400 Lines: 14 > (c)1996 Format Publications. Not for distribution in full or in part without > express permission. > > I've got to ask but what is the point in putting a copyright message on an e-mail ? Neil Maynard +-------------------------------+ |Neil Maynard | |E-Mail: mne2@cableol.co.uk | +-------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sat Oct 19 05:54:57 1996 Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 23:55:03 +0200 From: David Gommeren Subject: Re: The Greatest Gameshow In The Galaxy To: Sam List In-Reply-To: <199610171836.SAA06882@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: David Gommeren, Belgium X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.08] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 374 Lines: 13 On Thu 17 Oct, samsboss@uk.pipeline.com wrote: > After sinking that low the score is now Bob 21 = = The Others -99 > > Ooo. So low a limbo dancer would have a fit. > Samsboss > The One And Only Please Mr. Ass-MsBoss, if you don't have to say anything usefull, but just resend mail, either switch off your computer, or your-self! David Gommeren (gommerd@interpac.be) From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sat Oct 19 12:37:56 1996 Message-Id: <199610191136.MAA11404@mail.enterprise.net> X-Authentication-Warning: mail.enterprise.net: Host max02-092.enterprise.net [194.72.197.92] didn't use HELO protocol From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave Whitmore) Subject: War is over. Date: 19 Oct 1996 12:28:58 X-Newsreader: Spot 1.3/NetGate 1.1 Mime-Version: 1.1 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 294 Lines: 15 Hi all. I guess that last post of mine was a bit nasty. I told the truth from a perspective, but I was nasty. :/ So, I'm dropping that thread. Yassassin SAM. _ |_)ave (/\)hitmore email - davewhitmore@enterprise.net DALMATION BBS: 01744 614150. SATURDAYS 12 NOON - 12 MIDNIGHT. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sat Oct 19 12:54:40 1996 Message-Id: From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale) Subject: Re: It's about WCC.... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 12:53:24 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "A.S. Collier" at Oct 18, 96 04:52:22 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 328 Lines: 9 The only success that these WCC emails are having seems to be in getting people to unsubscribe. And half the time the arguments are about who asked what question and how they asked it - not about the actual subject itself. Can you not carry on the argument on comp.sys.sinclair instead of clogging my mailbox, please?!!! -Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sat Oct 19 13:51:25 1996 Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 08:47:36 -0400 From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-Id: <961019084735_546602123@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Hard Drive. Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 617 Lines: 21 In a message dated 18/10/96 15:00:05, you write: >But I agree, unless the hard drive becomes a very real option for >everyone, then no programs will need that much space, because you >cant do anything with any data that is stored there. > > >Bye >-- >Dean Liversidge Hi Dean, Just a short question re the above. At what point would you consider the hard drive to become a "very real option for everyone"? I'm not trying to start an argument, don't worry, its just that I would like your perspective on it. If you are coming to the Gloucester show we can always talk about it then if you would prefer. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sat Oct 19 13:51:26 1996 Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 08:47:41 -0400 From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-Id: <961019084739_546602134@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SIMM Memory Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 659 Lines: 21 In a message dated 18/10/96 15:02:56, you write: >> If you buy 30pin simms from a 'mate' you will probabley not need to >> pay too much. I picked up 4x1Mb for a printer the other day for >> #10. > >Hmm, maybe i'll set my printer on printing loads of 'hash's' ;-) only >kiding. > >Bye >-- >Dean Liversidge Sorry Dean, on my machine the UKP shows up on the screen, and transfers via email in a lot of cases. However, it gets switch tho the hash by the time it reaches the SAM mailing list. Have asked AOL why and they say it is to do with one of the headers in the email system getting changed somewhere. Will try to remember to use UKP in future. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sat Oct 19 13:51:26 1996 Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 08:47:44 -0400 From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-Id: <961019084743_546602145@emout17.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Re. It's about WCC..... Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2334 Lines: 49 Reply to message dated 18/10/96 19:39:22:- Re paragraph 1. Conversation cannot be limited to lists of numbered questions, I agree. However, this is not a conversation.If you learnt to write letters correctly you would learn that clear questioning gives the best chance of receiving clear answers. Did you take time to notice the number of times it was necessary to split up your text in order to insert and answer. That is what I call jumbled. If I reply to a letter that comes in, I do not expect to have to quote, verbatum, large parts of the text from the incoming letter in any reply I write. Why should email be any different? I said I would answer any questions that I can. I expected to get a list of questions, and yes it would be easier if you numbered them because that would make it easier for others to follow as I am not prepared to constantly include old text in the way I have had to so far. Re Paragraph 2. If David Ledbury is not involved in the running of 'Persona' then why was he on the stand all the time at Wetherby? >From that point on the message gets into the area of Revelation Software. I have been instructed to call a halt this on-line debate over a matter that is between one or more of the group: David Ledbury, Malcolm MacKenzie, A.N.Other Programmer and Revelation software. Please refer any matters relating to this to Revelation by normal mail. However, before I do close, I would like to give one example from a list that appeared. This is Splat! No copies of this program have been produced since SAMCO went down. From the auction of SAMCO's assits and stock (public auction in Swansea) and from a subsequent 'treaty' sale I, as Format Publications, purchased a large stock of items which included SAM keyboards, power supplies, other bits of hardware and a considerable stock of software. According to my records there were 63 copies of Splat! included in that purchase. As Revelation was by that time the copyright holder to the game I sold them on to them. From that figure I understand there is still about 20 odd copies left. If required I can give a list of the software purchased and the quantity of each title to anyone who can show that they have a valid reason to know. Bob. (c)1996 Format Publications. Not for distribution in full or in part without express permission. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sat Oct 19 13:51:26 1996 Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 08:47:45 -0400 From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-Id: <961019084742_546602142@emout15.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Memory? Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 201 Lines: 11 In a message dated 18/10/96 19:38:27, from graydj@phymat.bham.ac.uk (Diggory Gray) >Hopefully my SAM will be fixed shortly with a new ASIC. Need a new ASIC? Give me a ring on 01452 412572. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sat Oct 19 13:51:36 1996 Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 08:47:46 -0400 From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-Id: <961019084744_546602148@emout19.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: The >Fac> question Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 162 Lines: 4 Thanks to everyone who filled me in on yet another email quirk. I'm learning, honest, one day I wont make mistakes, but then they will nail down the lid... Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sat Oct 19 13:51:36 1996 Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 08:47:46 -0400 From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-Id: <961019084745_546602151@emout20.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: The ASIC Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1783 Lines: 32 Hi Matt, nice to hear from you again. Two different ASICs here mate. The one they are talking about was one that was reported in an issue of Your Sinclair. It related to a conversation John Pillar (I think) had with Bruce Gordon which lead to a misunderstanding. Bruce, in one of his wilder moments, had quoted a sum of money as being the amount that would be needed to do a new ASIC. John put together an bit in YS that basically said Bruce would do a new ASIC with lots of extras if a certain number of people were prepared to put down a given amount of money each. The problem was that Bruce was neither serious about the project, nor at that time able to do it. I was asked, at the time, by Bruce to use my editorial in FORMAT to stamp on the story before it got out of hand. However, it still comes back to haunt us from time to time. The chat I had with you, and I've no doubt several others, was much more general. When MGT was forced at the eleventh hour to switch from Figitsu to VLSI for ASIC production the VLSI chip they went for was somewhat under-used (I think there is about 20% of the possible gates free). Now, the situation is this. VLSI have the rights to use the technology in the SAM ASIC. This is because of a clause in their contract with MGT over payments (which were not made). VLSI have offered, provided that a reasonable percentage of the existing ASICs they have in stock were cleared first, to work with someone on adding more things in. Possible inclusions to a new ASIC would be things like the Z80, the 1772 and better memory management. But being realistic, unless someone has about 50,000 UKP to play with, I think that it is just a dream. Bob. (c)1996 Format Publications. Not for distribution in full or in part without express permission. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sat Oct 19 13:51:37 1996 Posted-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 14:48:11 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <3268C1C1.666A@pi.net> Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 13:55:45 +0200 From: Stefan Drissen X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-PI-32 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Memory? References: <199610181639.RAA14058@ugs2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1794 Lines: 41 Diggory Gray (PWE) wrote: > If such memory expansions were made, then they could be used for storing Quazar > sounds. IMHO this "problem" can also be solved by using the harddrive. A harddrive's processor is much more advanced than a floppy's. You don't need to disable interrupts and you don't have to constantly monitor the ready bit to see if a byte can be read. You should then be able to let a sample playback routine run under line interrupts at 15.6 KHz and read enough data in "foreground mode". It would then be possible to write an advanced mod player that does not output to a sound device, but simply outputs it into a looooong sample file on the harddrive, this can then be played at 15.6 KHz. Another possibility is that the more "exotic" mods (more channels, more fx) can be "saved" to harddrive and then played. > Would it be possible to use virtual memory for the Quazar sound card, by > compressing the data to increase the rate of data transfer for long samples etc? Virtual memory??? (note the THREE questionmarks to define that this is DEFINITELY a question!!!) Do you mean the extra megs? 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