From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Nov 22 11:58:25 1996 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 11:43:58 +0000 (GMT) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@peano.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SAM speech... In-Reply-To: <199611220950.JAA22461@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 681 Lines: 16 On Fri, 22 Nov 1996 samsboss@uk.pipeline.com wrote: > Gotta be phonim based. The BAE one used a chip which I heard went out of > production. Must be summit new around. Anyone read the electronic mags? I do! :) I'll check my Maplins catalogue... I'm sure I saw something in there... -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Don't take life so seriously, | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | you'll never survive it! | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | - (C) CamLoRTS 1996 | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Nov 22 11:58:25 1996 From: Gavin Smith Organization: University of Ulster To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 11:46:48 GMT Subject: Steve Nutting Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-Id: <14B32483FCB@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 210 Lines: 5 A while back someone mentioned that we should get Steve Nutting and any other prominent people in the Sam world who aren't on this mailing list, involved with the SAMson. Has this been done yet? Gavin Smith From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Nov 22 11:58:32 1996 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 11:52:20 +0000 (GMT) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@peano.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SCREEN$ to PPM? In-Reply-To: <9611211512.AA03590@booth12.ecs.ox.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1011 Lines: 22 On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk wrote: > On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 13:15:57 +0000 (GMT), Justin Skists said: > > I remember someone saying something about that they wrote a SAM to PPM > > (Portable Pixel Map) converter.... > > That would have been I. > > This program works as a filter (i.e. supply up to two file names, the > first for input and the second for output, defaulting to stdin and stdout > respectively). Only mode 4 screens are supported. No guarantees. Excellent.. Thanks.. I'm assuming it keeps the colours almost the same as SAM palettes? But it's better than nothing... Cheers... -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Don't take life so seriously, | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | you'll never survive it! | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | - (C) CamLoRTS 1996 | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Nov 22 11:58:46 1996 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 11:41:34 +0000 (GMT) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@peano.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SOS: Sensible FAT - Reply In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19961122110951.0097e27c@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1421 Lines: 33 On Fri, 22 Nov 1996, Simon Cooke wrote: > At 12:28 PM 11/21/96 -0500, you wrote: > >Status: > > > >In a message dated 21/11/96 10:00:46, you write: > > > >>Have I ever mentioned COGNOMEN files in this mailing list? They're an idea > >>for an extension to the SAM DOS system I had a while back... > >> > >>Simon > > > >Not that I remember, tell us more. > > What I'm proposing is that new DOS's will create a COGNOMEN file in the > SAMDOS directory for the purpose of keeping hold of the longer-filename > information. WHen files are copied across, or saved with longer filenames > than the underlying directory structure can handle, the file is given a > unique name which keeps as much of the original filename as possible (for > people who can't use COGNOMEN files). New DOS's will read the directory, and > check through the COGNOMEN file (if present). If it finds a file with a > truncated name, it will display and/or use the /longer/ version. Isn't this similar to how Win95 does it? - Pseudo 256 char fienames? -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Don't take life so seriously, | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | you'll never survive it! | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | - (C) CamLoRTS 1996 | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Nov 22 11:58:47 1996 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 11:49:44 +0000 (GMT) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@peano.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Samson text editor (was Re: SAMSON: bundled software) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1332 Lines: 30 On Fri, 22 Nov 1996, Lee Willis wrote: > Do I see a tsunami of support for a Unix style environment ??? Oh yes! :) But it'll have to be a cut down version. I doubt if the SAMix will be able to cope with pipelining and things... Or will it? > While we're on the subject though we have to be careful of what we > implement if we go this way. The stuff that Andrew's just describes is > shell dependant, for example I presume he's usin a C Shell, but a tcshell > behaves differently again as do bash etc. etc. We'd have to decide on one > standard unless the machine was designed to accept different shells. I > haven't got a clue how this would be implemented though ... :( Don't base it on any Unix shell... We want it merged with the BASIC so we could write PERL style scripts.. :) I can't see how we could lose the quotes for filenames.. :( Then again... Coud we add absolute strings into the BASIC syntax like absolute numbers? -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Don't take life so seriously, | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | you'll never survive it! | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | - (C) CamLoRTS 1996 | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Nov 22 11:59:02 1996 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 11:32:34 +0000 (GMT) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@peano.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: [None] In-Reply-To: <199611220948.JAA22375@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 711 Lines: 18 On Fri, 22 Nov 1996 samsboss@uk.pipeline.com wrote: > >And a decent TV modulator... > > Why not just stick to scart? Much easier. Because not everyone has a Scart TV.. Especially me.. But that idea of a scart to modulator interface sounds like a good idea to me... :) (I might get a decent picture for once!) -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Don't take life so seriously, | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | you'll never survive it! | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | - (C) CamLoRTS 1996 | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Nov 22 12:29:14 1996 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19961122120106.008e5bfc@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 12:01:06 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: SOS: Sensible FAT - Reply Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 289 Lines: 11 At 11:41 AM 11/22/96 +0000, you wrote: > >Isn't this similar to how Win95 does it? - Pseudo 256 char fienames? In as much that Win95 also stores a DOS version of the filename, yes. The mechanism, however, is completely different (the way Win95 does it wouldn't work on the SAM). Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Nov 22 12:29:14 1996 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 12:04:28 +0000 (GMT) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@peano.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: SAM users list Subject: FPCs, IDs, anything else I can think of.. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1332 Lines: 33 Ermm... FPCs ==== Is there any discrepances between the ROM Floating Point Calculator commands listed in the Tech Manual (Issue 3 - The Format one) and the ones in ROM3.0? I can't see the bug in my SMIDIP code and I'm trying to blame anything else! :) (Oh to have 32bit integer arithmatic.....) IDs === I'm not saying that Samsboss refusal of revealing his (Yes, it is a 'he' since his blantent use of Female references in his signatures make it plain he's a guy!) identity is a good idea, but why all the fuss? As long as he isn't causing real trouble and making a contribution, why fuss? SAM and the AAB (Arcturus Application Base) =========================================== I was going to write something comparing my thoughts on redesigning the way the SAM calls ROM routines to the AAB, but I can't remember what I was going to say.... Oh well.. It'll come back to me.... (Maybe it was irrelevent, so maybe I won't bother..) -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Don't take life so seriously, | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | you'll never survive it! | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | - (C) CamLoRTS 1996 | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Nov 22 12:29:15 1996 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 13:13:22 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9611221213.AA09172@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: [None] X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 465 Lines: 16 > On Fri, 22 Nov 1996 samsboss@uk.pipeline.com wrote: > > > >And a decent TV modulator... > > > > Why not just stick to scart? Much easier. > > Because not everyone has a Scart TV.. Especially me.. > > But that idea of a scart to modulator interface sounds like a good idea to > me... :) (I might get a decent picture for once!) If you don't have a SCART your TV is too old anyway. Think about your eyes. :) -Frode who's got one with and one without. From imc Fri Nov 22 12:34:21 1996 Subject: Re: SCREEN$ to PPM? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 12:34:21 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: from "Justin Skists" at Nov 22, 96 11:52:20 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 441 Lines: 13 On Fri, 22 Nov 1996 11:52:20 +0000 (GMT), Justin Skists said: > Excellent.. Thanks.. I'm assuming it keeps the colours almost the same as SAM > palettes? Not only almost the same but exactly the same (you may have to view the image with gamma correction; it seems that my Sam display has a gamma of about 1.5). Including line changes. > But it's better than nothing... Nothing like praising with faint damns, is there... imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Nov 22 12:44:45 1996 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 13:27:05 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9611221227.AA09244@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: FPCs, IDs, anything else I can think of.. X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 394 Lines: 15 > Ermm... > > FPCs > ==== > Is there any discrepances between the ROM Floating Point Calculator commands > listed in the Tech Manual (Issue 3 - The Format one) and the ones in ROM3.0? > > I can't see the bug in my SMIDIP code and I'm trying to blame anything else! :) I dind't have any problems with my Mandelbrot generator.... > (Oh to have 32bit integer arithmatic.....) Indeed. -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Nov 22 12:44:45 1996 Message-Id: From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale) Subject: Re: [None] To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 12:29:04 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <9611221213.AA09172@asmal.edh-net> from "Frode Tenneboe" at Nov 22, 96 01:13:22 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 234 Lines: 8 > If you don't have a SCART your TV is too old anyway. Think > about your eyes. :) > Not in Britain, I'm afraid! Even new (admittedly cheap) TVs don't always have scart sockets, and even some good TVs just a few years old don't... From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Nov 22 12:57:00 1996 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 13:49:29 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9611221249.AA09284@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: [None] X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 395 Lines: 13 > > > If you don't have a SCART your TV is too old anyway. Think > > about your eyes. :) > > > > Not in Britain, I'm afraid! Even new (admittedly cheap) TVs don't > always have scart sockets, and even some good TVs just a few years > old don't... Yeah, yeah.. and the next thing you'll say is that you don't have showers because you don't have preasureised hot water boilers.... -Frode ;) From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Nov 22 12:58:16 1996 From: JohnnaPig Teare Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 12:42:14 GMT+0 Subject: Re: SAMSON: bundled software Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-Id: <5FE0CE6B00@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 520 Lines: 13 Hello, We've already GOT a decent text editor, in fact we've got loasd of them. OutWrite 2 is my favourite, although I used SAMScratch for years before 'upgrading' - although it was more of a sidegrade than an upgrade, methinks. What we haven't got is a decent word processor and if anybody thinks that a computer will be marketable if it doesn't have a WYSIWYG Word processor then they're living in fantasy island. Johnna Pig Teare (j.d.teare@uclan.ac.uk) "Mab is the Queen and there's a good apothecary man!" From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Nov 22 13:01:51 1996 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 13:55:12 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9611221255.AA09287@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: [None] X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 228 Lines: 6 > Yeah, yeah.. and the next thing you'll say is that you don't have showers > because you don't have preasureised hot water boilers.... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Wops...Immersion heater :) -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Nov 22 13:21:41 1996 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19961122131834.0098e228@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 13:18:34 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: SCREEN$ to PPM? Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 508 Lines: 24 Hi Ian, Try this instead: Original: >unsam(sam,max,dest)rgbval dest;{ > max++; > dest[0]=((sam&32)/8+(sam&2)+(sam&8)/8)*max/8; > dest[1]=((sam&64)/16+(sam&4)/2+(sam&8)/8)*max/8; > dest[2]=((sam&16)/4+(sam&1)*2+(sam&8)/8)*max/8; >} New: unsam(sam,max,dest)rgbval dest;{ /* max++; */ dest[0]=((sam&32)/8+(sam&2)+(sam&8)/8)*max/7; dest[1]=((sam&64)/16+(sam&4)/2+(sam&8)/8)*max/7; dest[2]=((sam&16)/4+(sam&1)*2+(sam&8)/8)*max/7; } This will give you *exact* SAM colour matching... Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Nov 22 13:21:42 1996 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <25341.199611221317@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: SOS GUI booting of CLI programs To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 13:17:13 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <9611220744.AA08443@asmal.edh-net> from "Frode Tenneboe" at Nov 22, 96 08:44:05 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 426 Lines: 10 > Yes - hey, why don't we just port .....Linux? ;) I'm assuming that you're now thinking of including a hard drive as standard with Samson, then? As Unix relies on a lot of external programs, meaning you'd either have to keep swapping disks to do system operations or go without... And if you do include a hard drive, it can only be a matter of time before someone writes a DOS for the Sam that I like, so that's okay. :) From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Nov 22 13:33:48 1996 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 13:29:35 +0000 (GMT) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@bessel.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SOS: Sensible FAT - Reply In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19961122120106.008e5bfc@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1207 Lines: 27 On Fri, 22 Nov 1996, Simon Cooke wrote: > >Isn't this similar to how Win95 does it? - Pseudo 256 char fienames? > > In as much that Win95 also stores a DOS version of the filename, yes. Nope.. Just checked with someone. Win95 files are stored as 8.4 format but an extra type of 'file' (like the Volume label) in each directory stores the 256-byte version. A lot like 4Dos, to be pricise.. > The mechanism, however, is completely different (the way Win95 does it > wouldn't work on the SAM). I'm not saying we would do the win95 way... I was just matching things what people say to things already in my head... BTW (Off on a tangent), What are N/A EXECUTIVE files in SAMDos? When I was playing around writing a AllHideOff program and a FullDir program years ago, I came across these weird thingy-me-bobs... -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Don't take life so seriously, | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | you'll never survive it! | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | - (C) CamLoRTS 1996 | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Nov 22 13:45:49 1996 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 14:39:49 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9611221339.AA09353@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SOS GUI booting of CLI programs X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 570 Lines: 13 > I'm assuming that you're now thinking of including a hard drive as > standard with Samson, then? As Unix relies on a lot of external programs, > meaning you'd either have to keep swapping disks to do system operations or > go without... > > And if you do include a hard drive, it can only be a matter of time before > someone writes a DOS for the Sam that I like, so that's okay. :) To not include a hard drive at an early stage will be a mistake. That's why I have suggested an SAMBUS2IDE interface. Just connect your sam to a free IDE slot in your PC. :) -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Nov 22 14:01:26 1996 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 13:50:34 +0000 (GMT) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@bessel.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Scart In-Reply-To: <9611221213.AA09172@asmal.edh-net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1001 Lines: 22 On Fri, 22 Nov 1996, Frode Tenneboe wrote: > If you don't have a SCART your TV is too old anyway. Think > about your eyes. :) Well.. I told a lie.. We do have a Scart TV.. Except, my mummy won't be at all happy if I plugged in my SAM (assuming i have a scart cable, which I don't) while she was watching Melrose Place.. nope.. I'm stuck upstaires in my room with an old non-scart TV.. As for my eyes, well, why do you think I'm hoping for something I could plug my PC monitor to my SAM... (I take it wiring it up to the Scart socket won't really work... Or will it? I don't really want to try it...) -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Don't take life so seriously, | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | you'll never survive it! | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | - (C) CamLoRTS 1996 | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Nov 22 14:03:29 1996 From: JohnnaPig Teare Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 13:49:34 GMT+0 Subject: Re: SOS Hard Drives Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-Id: <60E9794A3C@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 351 Lines: 10 > I'm assuming that you're now thinking of including a hard drive as > standard with Samson, then? I never thought of this actually - hard drives wil have to be standard really, won't they. Will this push the price over our stlg300 or stlg400 limit? Johnna Pig Teare (j.d.teare@uclan.ac.uk) "Mab is the Queen and there's a good apothecary man!" From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Nov 22 14:03:48 1996 From: JohnnaPig Teare Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 13:47:51 GMT+0 Subject: Re: SAMPaint - The Next Generation Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-Id: <60E8117BB3@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 435 Lines: 15 After Lee's wonderful accelerator demo program, i thought I'd chip in with my revised version of SAMPaint. It's for ASCII art only though. 5 Do 10 Get a 20 Print a; 30 Loop You can change the colours aswell, just press ESCape and type PEN ?? and then press F5 (CONTINUE). With software like this, the SAMSon will be a world beater... Johnna Pig Teare (j.d.teare@uclan.ac.uk) "Mab is the Queen and there's a good apothecary man!" From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Nov 22 14:08:25 1996 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19961122135830.008eb76c@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 13:58:30 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: SOS: Sensible FAT - Reply Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1448 Lines: 35 At 01:29 PM 11/22/96 +0000, you wrote: >Status: > >On Fri, 22 Nov 1996, Simon Cooke wrote: > >> >Isn't this similar to how Win95 does it? - Pseudo 256 char fienames? >> >> In as much that Win95 also stores a DOS version of the filename, yes. > >Nope.. Just checked with someone. Win95 files are stored as 8.4 format but an >extra type of 'file' (like the Volume label) in each directory stores the >256-byte version. A lot like 4Dos, to be pricise.. I think we're at cross purposes here... you just described exactly what I knew to be the Win 95 file system (or to be more precise: the VFAT system, which varies only slightly between Win95 and WinNT -- I should know this, I'm a Microsoft Certified Professional!!! [yeurggghghhhhhh]). Actually you're slightly off... a *number* of extra directory slots supply the filenames, last-letters first. Really nasty way of doing it, but there you go. >> The mechanism, however, is completely different (the way Win95 does it >> wouldn't work on the SAM). > >I'm not saying we would do the win95 way... I was just matching things what >people say to things already in my head... > >BTW (Off on a tangent), What are N/A EXECUTIVE files in SAMDos? When I was >playing around writing a AllHideOff program and a FullDir program years ago, I >came across these weird thingy-me-bobs... I think they're remnants of something from either the DISCiPLE or Microdrive. They don't do anything in SAMDOS. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Nov 22 14:08:46 1996 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 13:59:13 +0000 (GMT) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@bessel.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SAMPaint - The Next Generation In-Reply-To: <60E8117BB3@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 886 Lines: 26 On Fri, 22 Nov 1996, JohnnaPig Teare wrote: > After Lee's wonderful accelerator demo program, i thought I'd chip in > with my revised version of SAMPaint. It's for ASCII art only though. > > 5 Do > 10 Get a > 20 Print a; > 30 Loop > > You can change the colours aswell, just press ESCape and type PEN ?? > and then press F5 (CONTINUE). I thought that would be a wordprocessor... Maybe even a DTP package! :) > With software like this, the SAMSon will be a world beater... Too Right! -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Don't take life so seriously, | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | you'll never survive it! | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | - (C) CamLoRTS 1996 | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Nov 22 15:01:38 1996 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19961122143615.0097b58c@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 14:36:15 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: SCREEN$ to PPM? - Reply Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 466 Lines: 16 At 01:58 PM 11/21/96 +0000, you wrote: >Status: > >> I found a couple of lovely screens that I want to >> stick on my Web pages when I was going through some old disks... :) > >You could always use Sam->BMP by Paul Crompton from one of the FRED >discs, that works fine and then use something to convert it over to >GIF/JPEG/PPM or whatever. I dunnnoo... I always had problems with it... corrupted some of my discs once... Or was I thinking of BMP->SAM? Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Nov 22 15:01:38 1996 Message-Id: From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale) Subject: Re: SAMPaint - The Next Generation To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 14:39:44 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <60E8117BB3@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> from "JohnnaPig Teare" at Nov 22, 96 01:47:51 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 175 Lines: 6 > After Lee's wonderful accelerator demo program, i thought I'd chip in > with my revised version of SAMPaint. It's for ASCII art only though. > Are you cussing SAMPaint?! From imc Fri Nov 22 15:10:46 1996 Subject: Re: SCREEN$ to PPM? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 15:10:46 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19961122131834.0098e228@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> from "Simon Cooke" at Nov 22, 96 01:18:34 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 448 Lines: 14 On Fri, 22 Nov 1996 13:18:34 +0000, Simon Cooke said: > Try this instead: [deletia] > This will give you *exact* SAM colour matching... Are you implying that I somehow had inexact SAM colour matching? OK so it's a bit of a hack. It might make all the colours slightly too dark. What I should really do is write 224 in the header instead of 255. Your solution still isn't exact because it divides things by 7 which aren't divisible by 7. imc From imc Fri Nov 22 15:35:25 1996 Subject: Re: Proportional type. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 15:35:25 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <961121122801_2081847972@emout15.mail.aol.com> from "BrenchleyR@aol.com" at Nov 21, 96 12:28:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 935 Lines: 23 On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 12:28:02 -0500, BrenchleyR@aol.com said: > >So what about ASCII graphics then? > The only place I have seen ascii graphics used in the last few years is here, > in these mailings. Talk about the dark ages. Many programs exist that could be called "ASCII graphics". That's because it is much easier to write one than a real graphics program (especially when it's only text that is being output). Things that on the Sam use PRINT AT. PRINT AT is essentially broken if you start using proportional fonts. I bet the command windows on your machine use fixed width fonts. The ones on this machine do. > Thereare these things called TABS, lots of different sorts, all used to > TABulate things, but even those are moving over in favour of in-line tables. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ What? I'm talking in particular about the ls command or the DIR command. imc From imc Fri Nov 22 15:36:45 1996 Subject: Re: Alice, who the .... is alice? (Sort of) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 15:36:45 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <961121122808_1150781733@emout19.mail.aol.com> from "BrenchleyR@aol.com" at Nov 21, 96 12:28:09 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 300 Lines: 11 On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 12:28:09 -0500, BrenchleyR@aol.com said: > In a message dated 20/11/96 17:42:43, you write: > >"A LOT"? Evidence please! > Just had to butt in here Ian. If you look at, for instance, AOL No thanks. We were specifically talking about the Internet, not AOL chat boards. imc From imc Fri Nov 22 15:37:13 1996 Subject: Re: Obey the golden rule for disc safety. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 15:37:13 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <961121122814_1552614693@emout07.mail.aol.com> from "BrenchleyR@aol.com" at Nov 21, 96 12:28:14 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 271 Lines: 8 On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 12:28:14 -0500, BrenchleyR@aol.com said: > If you use a disc protector then you run a higher risk of breaking the other > rule, never leave a disc in the drive for long periods. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Why not? imc From imc Fri Nov 22 15:38:56 1996 Subject: Re: Samson text editor (was Re: SAMSON: bundled software) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 15:38:56 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: from "Tim Paveley" at Nov 21, 96 06:15:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 400 Lines: 10 On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 18:15:17 +0000 (GMT), Tim Paveley said: > Mate of mine (Manga of SSP;) swears by an arc text editor called !Zap, [sniparoonie] > a C mode, a Basic mode, and more, where ie the programming modes > will highlight reserved words/numbers/strings different colours, Well that's definitely the sort of thing that would be sold for money and not included with the machine. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Nov 22 15:42:51 1996 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19961122153753.0098efa4@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 15:37:53 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: SCREEN$ to PPM? Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1473 Lines: 44 At 03:10 PM 11/22/96 +0000, you wrote: >Status: > >On Fri, 22 Nov 1996 13:18:34 +0000, Simon Cooke said: >> Try this instead: >[deletia] >> This will give you *exact* SAM colour matching... > >Are you implying that I somehow had inexact SAM colour matching? > >OK so it's a bit of a hack. It might make all the colours slightly too >dark. What I should really do is write 224 in the header instead of 255. I'm not sure that that would do it either... unless you're still going for Gamma correction at the other end... What your original routine gave for white (SAM: R=7, G=7, B=7) was: R = 224, G=224, B=224 -- (7*256)/8 = 224 For white, it needs to be 255... >Your solution still isn't exact because it divides things by 7 which >aren't divisible by 7. I don't think that really matters though does it? We're talking +/- 1 brightness level per color gun there, where the difference between brightness levels available from the SAM is about 36.4 ... Also, the fact that it multiplies by 255 first /then/ divides by 7 reduces any potential rounding errors to a minimum. There's no way to get away from the divide by 7, as the fact that there are only 7 non-zero brightness levels per gun means you have to quantize the space into 7 lumps anyway. Honestly, my one does do it well :) Check out the last issue of Your Sinclair - the screenshots from Sandman's shadow are ones which I converted using my SAM->BMP converter... Heck, try it out :) Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Nov 22 15:56:49 1996 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 15:45:04 +0000 From: Dan Doore To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SCREEN$ to PPM? - Reply Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 321 Lines: 16 > Honestly, my one does do it well :) Check out the > last issue of Your Sinclair - the screenshots from > Sandman's shadow are ones which I converted using my > SAM->BMP converter... Aha! the infamous converter! Did it ever get put on NVG? If not can you either post it up or send me a copy UU/MIME encoded. Dan. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Nov 22 16:08:36 1996 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <16846.199611221603@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: SOS Hard Drives To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 16:03:24 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <60E9794A3C@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> from "JohnnaPig Teare" at Nov 22, 96 01:49:34 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 381 Lines: 8 > I never thought of this actually - hard drives wil have to be > standard really, won't they. Will this push the price over our stlg300 > or stlg400 limit? Not sure how expensive the rest will be, but the HD interface is about 60UKP and the hard drive will be about the same, probably. The power supply will be in the PC-style case, so you don't need that, which would help. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Nov 22 16:11:44 1996 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <17498.199611221606@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: SOS GUI booting of CLI programs To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 16:05:56 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <9611221339.AA09353@asmal.edh-net> from "Frode Tenneboe" at Nov 22, 96 02:39:49 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 519 Lines: 13 > To not include a hard drive at an early stage will be a mistake. True :) > That's why I have suggested an SAMBUS2IDE interface. Just connect > your sam to a free IDE slot in your PC. :) Novel, if a little impractical I'd have thought! Personally I think any extensions to the memory, disk system etc. should be able to cope with any capacity (this doesn't lead on from your comment BTW, just something to say). Most people might never use the 1.8gig hard drives, but if you /can/ use it then so much the better. From imc Fri Nov 22 16:17:03 1996 Subject: Re: SCREEN$ to PPM? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 16:17:03 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19961122153753.0098efa4@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> from "Simon Cooke" at Nov 22, 96 03:37:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 2170 Lines: 51 On Fri, 22 Nov 1996 15:37:53 +0000, Simon Cooke said: > There's no way to get away from the divide by 7, as the fact that there are > only 7 non-zero brightness levels per gun means you have to quantize the > space into 7 lumps anyway. As I mentioned, if you simply write 224 in the header instead of 255 then you can avoid the divide by 7 (or, to be exact, you make it the responsibility of the display software to do the division). Selecting colours is a tricky business. To be honest, the difference between <224 224 224> and white is not enough to change the overall appearance of the picture noticeably. But the gamma alters the relationship between the colours. If you create a PPM file of Sam colours, which looks a bit like... P3 16 8 7 0 0 0 0 0 2 [many colours deleted] 5 7 7 7 7 5 7 7 7 (which you will be glad to know contains all the true colours where white really is white) and view it without gamma correction most of the colours look too dark. When this pattern is viewed with a Sam and a TV the lighter colours towards the bottom right hand corner are all rather pale and the dark colours on the top row are not all that dark. The PPM file has quite a dark top row and there is too much contrast among the brighter colours. This is all in my opinion and of course probably depends on the screen I am using. I have also never had the PPM file and the Sam screen in the same place so I haven't compared them directly. If I view the PPM file as if it were intended for a gamma 1.5 display then it seems to look better. I actually obtained the 1.5 from experimenting with the reverse translation (ppmtosam.c), where making the image have a gamma of 1.5 before translation seemed to give the best result. The results of this translation have been seen on FRED and the results are not so bad. On the other hand, ppmtosam.c (being the reverse of samtoppm.c) makes <224 224 224> (and indeed any colour above <208 208 208>) into white so perhaps I obtained my figure of 1.5 under false pretenses. In short, I am open to advice about what colour means what, but I won't accept comments of the form "my colours are right and yours are wrong". imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Nov 22 16:27:20 1996 Message-Id: From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale) Subject: Re: Obey the golden rule for disc safety. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 16:25:20 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <9611221537.AA05782@booth3.ecs.ox.ac.uk> from "Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk" at Nov 22, 96 03:37:13 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 415 Lines: 12 > > If you use a disc protector then you run a higher risk of breaking the other > > rule, never leave a disc in the drive for long periods. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Why not? > Well, if a power glitch could corrupt a disc, then the longer the disc is in the drive, the more chance it has of being hit... Also, leave it in a long time and you could easily forget it's there! From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Nov 22 16:27:34 1996 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19961122162320.0098497c@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 16:23:20 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: SCREEN$ to PPM? - Reply Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 478 Lines: 21 At 03:45 PM 11/22/96 +0000, you wrote: >Status: > >> Honestly, my one does do it well :) Check out the >> last issue of Your Sinclair - the screenshots from >> Sandman's shadow are ones which I converted using my >> SAM->BMP converter... > >Aha! the infamous converter! > >Did it ever get put on NVG? > >If not can you either post it up or send me a copy >UU/MIME encoded. Just having checked, it ends up that I hadn't :) I'll post it up on Monday at the latest... Simon From imc Fri Nov 22 16:31:26 1996 Subject: Re: Samson text editor (was Re: SAMSON: bundled software) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 16:31:26 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: from "Andrew M Gale" at Nov 22, 96 00:03:18 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 678 Lines: 17 On Fri, 22 Nov 1996 00:03:18 +0000 (GMT), Andrew M Gale said: > I really like the auto filename fill in on UNIX Yes it can be useful (in a shell, not a text editor) but remember that every time you do this it reads in a copy of the directory to find out what the possible completions are. This would only be useful on a hard disk (providing it's fast enough). > I'd love a text > editor that would recognise certain keywords and fill > in the rest when I press esc.... Well it's a possible addition to the syntax-highlighting editor that someone was talking about, but again this is something that would be sold, not given away. imc From imc Fri Nov 22 16:58:34 1996 Subject: Re: How long a filename? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 16:58:34 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <9611220756.AA08452@asmal.edh-net> from "Frode Tenneboe" at Nov 22, 96 08:56:21 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 350 Lines: 9 On Fri, 22 Nov 1996 08:56:21 +0100, Frode Tenneboe said: > Just to be on the safe side, make it variable up to 256 characters. > The directory information coould then be the length of the entry, > the file name and the inode number. And this message comes just seconds after he asks (again) for a Linux port. Do we detect a pattern here? :-) imc From imc Fri Nov 22 17:00:01 1996 Subject: Re: Samson text editor (was Re: SAMSON: bundled software) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 17:00:01 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <9611220808.AA08465@asmal.edh-net> from "Frode Tenneboe" at Nov 22, 96 09:08:27 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 353 Lines: 10 On Fri, 22 Nov 1996 09:08:27 +0100, Frode Tenneboe said: > ESC is btw a bad key for poor-mans-grep, TAB > is more intuitive. Esc is not a particularly good key for anything much, given that function keys send it. But why TAB? imc <--- who is going to have difficulty if he ever changes his shell after using csh for so long :-) From imc Fri Nov 22 17:01:02 1996 Subject: Re: SOS my right ARM To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 17:01:02 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <199611220949.JAA22449@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> from "Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com" at Nov 22, 96 09:49:54 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 220 Lines: 9 On Fri, 22 Nov 1996 09:49:54 GMT, Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com said: > On Nov 21, 1996 12:28:14, 'BrenchleyR@aol.com' wrote: [entire quoted message and headers deleted] > Samsboss. Yes, he did. We received it too. imc From imc Fri Nov 22 17:09:43 1996 Subject: Re: SAM speech... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 17:09:43 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <199611220950.JAA22461@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> from "Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com" at Nov 22, 96 09:50:04 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 962 Lines: 19 On Fri, 22 Nov 1996 09:50:04 GMT, Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com said: > Gotta be phonim based. The BAE one used a chip which I heard went out of > production. Must be summit new around. Anyone read the electronic mags? The SP0256, which I presume was used in the Blue Alpha one, was also used in the Currah MicroSpeech and also something by Fuller. It no longer appears to be in production. Scanning through my Maplin catalogue on several previous occasions I have failed to find a replacement. It seems that such speech synthesisers no longer exist. On the other hand, chips do exist which store sounds; one of these can hold up to 16 seconds at 8KHz which can be divided up at 0.1sec boundaries and it claims to store the sounds for 100 years with no power connected. It is possible to generate speech in software. I'm sure the ARM can cope with this, though it might be a bit processor intensive and the existing algorithm uses floating point maths. imc From imc Fri Nov 22 17:10:51 1996 Subject: Re: SNA-RUNner: IFF2 - Reply - Reply To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 17:10:51 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19961122102339.0091d7bc@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> from "Simon Cooke" at Nov 22, 96 10:23:39 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 369 Lines: 9 On Fri, 22 Nov 1996 10:23:39 +0000, Simon Cooke said: > Basically, it's better for the whole machine if you wait for the capacitors > in the PSU to discharge a bit before switching back on. Not that I follow > that rule, except on PC's :) Of course, in the Sam the capacitors in the PSU are on the other side of the switch so you wouldn't have to wait for them. imc From imc Fri Nov 22 17:12:02 1996 Subject: Re: How long a filename? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 17:12:02 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <9611221031.AA09081@asmal.edh-net> from "Frode Tenneboe" at Nov 22, 96 11:31:45 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 350 Lines: 11 On Fri, 22 Nov 1996 11:31:45 +0100, Frode Tenneboe said: > > 256, allowing any character between 32 and 255 ASCII... or we could go the > > whole hog and use Unicode ;) (but that might be a little OTT). > *BZZZZT* ASCII 255 does not excists. :) *BZZZZT* yes it does; it's a y-umlaut. On the other hand, 127-159 are control codes in ISO8859. imc From imc Fri Nov 22 17:12:54 1996 Subject: Re: How long a filename? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 17:12:54 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <9611221052.AA09095@asmal.edh-net> from "Frode Tenneboe" at Nov 22, 96 11:52:40 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 383 Lines: 9 On Fri, 22 Nov 1996 11:52:40 +0100, Frode Tenneboe said: > Yes, but is it a good idea, though? Whatever >127 is not only non-printable > (well, potentially), but is likely to change from one platform to another > (eg. when filetransferring). No, ASCII for files, and ISO-8859-x for text. I thought you wanted Linux. I bet Linux allows these characters in its file names. :-) imc From imc Fri Nov 22 17:22:04 1996 Subject: Re: Samson text editor (was Re: SAMSON: bundled software) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 17:22:04 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: from "Justin Skists" at Nov 22, 96 11:49:44 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1130 Lines: 32 On Fri, 22 Nov 1996 11:49:44 +0000 (GMT), Justin Skists said: > Don't base it on any Unix shell... We want it merged with the BASIC so we could > write PERL style scripts.. :) If you wants Unix you gets a Unix shell! But you can have perl if you like. > I can't see how we could lose the quotes for filenames.. :( Then again... Coud > we add absolute strings into the BASIC syntax like absolute numbers? Not really, because you couldn't distinguish it from a variable name. There aren't that many languages that have absolute strings in them; those that do need special characters to distinguish the variables and/or the command keywords. If you go with a non-BASIC command line then you can dispense with the quotes. You would still need them if you use OS commands within the BASIC though. Within the program you could go the REXX way of writing OS commands as expressions in the program. Thus, filename = "foo*" prog = "cat" "ls -al bar*" "ls -al" filename prog filename is a valid (although somewhat bizarre) REXX program within Unix. But in the end the esiest way is probably just to keep the quotes. imc From imc Fri Nov 22 17:24:48 1996 Subject: Re: FPCs, IDs, anything else I can think of.. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 17:24:48 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: from "Justin Skists" at Nov 22, 96 12:04:28 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 519 Lines: 11 On Fri, 22 Nov 1996 12:04:28 +0000 (GMT), Justin Skists said: > Is there any discrepances between the ROM Floating Point Calculator commands > listed in the Tech Manual (Issue 3 - The Format one) and the ones in ROM3.0? Not that I know of. The FPC can be rather fussy about the entry conditions though. I think the most important undocumented[1] condition is that your program must not be in section D. I can't remember what else there is. imc [1] It probably is documented somewhere and I just haven't seen it. From imc Fri Nov 22 17:29:48 1996 Subject: Re: [None] To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 17:29:48 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <9611221213.AA09172@asmal.edh-net> from "Frode Tenneboe" at Nov 22, 96 01:13:22 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 431 Lines: 11 On Fri, 22 Nov 1996 13:13:22 +0100, Frode Tenneboe said: > If you don't have a SCART your TV is too old anyway. Think > about your eyes. :) My TV is 7 this year. It doesn't have a SCART. What about my eyes? (My other one was only 2 when it died. A repair shop said it wasn't worth doing, but my family managed to get someone to repair it for 25 quid. Andrew now thinks it's his because he paid the 25 quid. Bargain.) imc From imc Fri Nov 22 17:31:18 1996 Subject: Re: SAMSON: bundled software To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 17:31:18 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <5FE0CE6B00@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> from "JohnnaPig Teare" at Nov 22, 96 12:42:14 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 375 Lines: 11 On Fri, 22 Nov 1996 12:42:14 GMT+0, JohnnaPig Teare said: > We've already GOT a decent text editor, in fact we've got loasd of > them. OutWrite 2 I do hope that isn't one of the ones that is limited to 64 chars per line and pads all its output files with spaces... (Besides, hardly any software is as good as software you write yourself. If only I had some time...) imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Nov 22 17:46:22 1996 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19961122165126.008e8390@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 16:51:26 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: SCREEN$ to PPM? Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2764 Lines: 73 At 04:17 PM 11/22/96 +0000, you wrote: >Status: >As I mentioned, if you simply write 224 in the header instead of 255 >then you can avoid the divide by 7 (or, to be exact, you make it the >responsibility of the display software to do the division). Ah... so the PPM display routine effectively takes a "maximum brightness level" parameter, and uses that to work out what to actually use as a palette value? In which case, your routine will then work... um... actually .. hmm... it depends. If you pass the 224 down to the unsam routine, then it won't work. If it only gets used in the PPM file at the end, it will. >On the other hand, ppmtosam.c (being the reverse of samtoppm.c) makes ><224 224 224> (and indeed any colour above <208 208 208>) into white >so perhaps I obtained my figure of 1.5 under false pretenses. *nods* well, the thing is, on the RGB -> SAM side of things, it's quite valid to just truncate the color info and use it -- namely because you're losing that information in bringing it over to the SAM anyway. >In short, I am open to advice about what colour means what, but I won't >accept comments of the form "my colours are right and yours are wrong". Fair enough. What I'm talking about though is a mathematical way of looking at it. Assuming a linear relationship between the color gun intensity and the palette values, then there are 8 different possible SAM values which can be output, equally spaced across the entire range. Therefore, taking the top of the required range to be 255, and the bottom of that range to be 0, and the top of the SAM's range to be 7, and the bottom of the SAM's range to be 0 also, the following conditions must be met: Taking MAXSAM to be the brightest possible value creatable by the SAM, and MAXOUT to be the brightest possible value on the target system, for a given color A, where A = MAXSAM, and a function F() which operates on A: F(A)=MAXOUT; Now, knowing this, we can formulate a routine, thus: The maximum value of A is MAXSAM. Normalising this gives us: A' = A/MAXSAM -- A' is now between 1 and 0 for any given input A. If A = MAXSAM, A' = 1 If A = 0, A' = 0. Therefore multiplying A' when A=MAXSAM by MAXOUT will give the result required. Thus, F(A) = (A/MAXSAM) * MAXOUT or alternatively: F(A) = (A*MAXOUT) / MAXSAM for more accuracy. Function F() gives a linear relationship between any value of A between 0 and MAXSAM, and the range 0 to MAXOUT. Replacing MAXOUT with 255, and MAXSAM with 7, gives: F(A)=(A*255)/7 I'm not sure of how clear I'm being here, but as far as I can tell, logically this is the best way to do it. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Nov 22 17:46:42 1996 From: Stephen Harding Message-Id: <199611221705.RAA01437@BITS.bris.ac.uk> Subject: Re: SOS Hard Drives To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no (sam users) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 17:05:49 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2260 Lines: 58 > > I never thought of this actually - hard drives wil have to be > > standard really, won't they. Will this push the price over our stlg300 > > or stlg400 limit? > > Not sure how expensive the rest will be, but the HD interface is about > 60UKP and the hard drive will be about the same, probably. The power > supply > will be in the PC-style case, so you don't need that, which would help. I don't think the point is really one of how economicaly wise it would be to bundle a hard drive onto the standard SAMSON. We MUST develop the hard drive interface for the release date anyway. this is for a number of reasons. e.g. To make sure the super consistant DOS works properly For professionals to take it seriously And for people who want a hard drive! Again, we must strive to cross the barrier that the TEAM we have here on this list CAN work on comercial (i.e. not bundled) SAMSON products together, it is in all of our interests to have a say in the design so make better, more rounded collective decisions and to ensure there is enough hardware and software support for the machine as soon as possible! Todays industy giants would kill for a company of people as diverse, productive and well motivated as us! One potential problem would again the the ownership of the products, expecialy considering that there are a number of people on this list with the capacity to manufacture on their own. What are the practialitys of forming one big company/organisation/ syndicate/conglomerate? (like British Aero Space and half a dozen other aircraft manufactures in Europe joinded together so they could pull their resources and develop aircraft that they could never individualy afford to design) We could formalize this round table and pay ourselves by commision of machines/software sold or something. If we go down it would not have as big an effect on any one individual (i.e. Bob!) Together we may be able to take on the big boys a few years down the road! If this is not pratical why not start a new company anyway and distribute shares or something? Numb. (That's a point! It maybe a good tactical move to go bust if we plan it properly! We could buy the stuff off ourselves dirt cheap!) Was that a joke or not? You decide! From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Nov 22 18:04:11 1996 From: Gavin Smith Organization: University of Ulster To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 17:25:58 GMT Subject: Sam company (was RE: SOS HARD DRIVES) Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-Id: <150D8ED54E8@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 810 Lines: 20 > If we go down it would not have as big an effect on any one individual > (i.e. Bob!) > > Together we may be able to take on the big boys a few years down the road! > > If this is not pratical why not start a new company anyway and distribute > shares or something? > > Numb. I was just about to mail the list with something like this myself. I think I've finally accepted the fact that West Coast do exist and its not just a cover for Format Pub. But, Bob, if they have no real interest in Sam (as you yourself said), and they don't know about the plans for SAMson, would it not be possible for you (or even a group of us) to buy the name West Coast Computers or the rights to Sam or something. It would be a lot easier to finance the SAMson project than to get WCC to finance it. Gavin Smith From imc Fri Nov 22 18:04:51 1996 Subject: Re: SCREEN$ to PPM? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 18:04:51 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19961122165126.008e8390@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> from "Simon Cooke" at Nov 22, 96 04:51:26 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1166 Lines: 30 On Fri, 22 Nov 1996 16:51:26 +0000, Simon Cooke said: > Ah... so the PPM display routine effectively takes a "maximum brightness > level" parameter, and uses that to work out what to actually use as a > palette value? > it depends. If you pass the 224 down to the unsam routine, then it won't > work. If it only gets used in the PPM file at the end, it will. Indeed so. > Fair enough. What I'm talking about though is a mathematical way of looking > at it. Assuming a linear relationship between the color gun intensity and > the palette values This is precisely what you should not assume, and why gamma values were invented. [deletia] None of the rest of this really adds to the debate because it's all pretty obvious really and doesn't contradict anything I wrote in the program, if you assume the PPM file has been rewritten with a 224 in it. It was a quick&dirty algorithm; the only thing you are arguing about is the multiplication factor, which I should perhaps have un-kludged a bit before unleashing it on the general public. But still, turning the brightness up on your monitor probably alters it more than multiplying all values by 8/7. :-) imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Nov 22 18:05:02 1996 From: Stephen Harding Message-Id: <199611221739.RAA01485@BITS.bris.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Samson text editor To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no (sam users) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 17:39:56 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2602 Lines: 64 > On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 18:15:17 +0000 (GMT), Tim Paveley said: > > Mate of mine (Manga of SSP;) swears by an arc text editor called !Zap, > [sniparoonie] > > a C mode, a Basic mode, and more, where ie the programming modes > > will highlight reserved words/numbers/strings different colours, > > Well that's definitely the sort of thing that would be sold for money > and not included with the machine. I disagree completely and utterly! This is what we need on the flash and with the machine. What we don't NEED is the full blown 'better than Word' (as if it would be hard!) with the machine ((but it must be available at releasedate!)) I would love it if we could give the 'Word' for free but it just wouldn't work. People WANT to buy their wordprocessors! 'Word' is an important application so we should make it as simple as possible to buy (by accident!) from the main order form (right next to where they state their desired colour!) A comprehensive 'text editor' could be provided that would be better than any silly wordprocessor any day of the week. The text editor could be written as one of the most integral parts of the opperating system. We could use the same program (but decorated different ways) to act as a terminal, A colour coded C programming window, A non-colour coded C programming window(!), the assembler, shell comands to SAMbasicCLI, Colourfull shell prgramming to SAMbasicCLI(!), an equation builder, text format converter, LayTex, and notepad! Phew! It would actually save a lot of work! (For thoes who don't know, LayTex is a handy report/technical document writing language that has a syntax that looks a bit like HTML except that it actually does someing! Best part is that the C source is FREEEEEEE! Look up laytex with Lycos!) WWWing, the wordprocessor and the calcutlator would be just about the only things not to use it for text displaying! There would be no need to give it a proportional font (snigger!) But it would be necessary to make it compatable with just about every text file format on the plannet. We could attatch it to the standard 'all formats decompresser' we will also need so that it could automaticaly pkunzip a text file, convert it from .doc format and let you edit it all in one fail swoop! (-it is nice the way Macs try to auto decompress things for you, pity they are all setup craply here so that everytime the cursor wanders near to a zip file you get a million and one 'Stuffit expander not found' error messages!. We need to make sure all of our 'helpfull' features are 'turn-off-and-on-able'!) Numb. From imc Fri Nov 22 18:16:30 1996 Subject: Re: Samson text editor To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 18:16:30 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <199611221739.RAA01485@BITS.bris.ac.uk> from "Stephen Harding" at Nov 22, 96 05:39:56 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1712 Lines: 40 On Fri, 22 Nov 1996 17:39:56 +0000 (GMT), Stephen Harding said: > A comprehensive 'text editor' could be provided that would be better than > any silly wordprocessor any day of the week. Text editors and word processors should be kept separate. For one thing word processors have proportional fonts [:-)] and allow you to change the font as you go along - something which is meaningless in a text editor. > The text editor could be written as one of the most integral parts of the > opperating system. We could use the same program (but decorated different > ways) to act as a terminal, A colour coded C programming window, A > non-colour coded C programming window(!), the assembler, shell comands to > SAMbasicCLI, Colourfull shell prgramming to SAMbasicCLI(!), an equation > builder, text format converter, LayTex, and notepad! You appear to be of the emacs school of thinking. I on the other hand am not. Keep it simple. If people want syntax colouring they can go and buy it. > It would actually save a lot of work! Or make a lot of work. > (For thoes who don't know, LayTex is a handy report/technical document > writing language that has a syntax that looks a bit like HTML except > that it actually does someing! Best part is that the C source is > FREEEEEEE! Look up laytex with Lycos!) Is this anything to do with LaTeX? LaTeX is not written in C - it is written in TeX. And TeX is written in Web, which is a form of Pascal with documentation. The most modern ports of TeX compile it by converting it into C first. I started writing a TeX-like thing ages ago, but I ran out of memory (because I was trying to assemble it on a +3) and never got round to doing anything about it. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Nov 22 18:53:46 1996 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 13:09:54 -0500 From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-Id: <961122130953_1950719944@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: How long a filename? Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 381 Lines: 13 In a message dated 22/11/96 07:58:11, you write: >Just to be on the safe side, make it variable up to 256 characters. >The directory information coould then be the length of the entry, >the file name and the inode number. > > -Frode Variable length seems a bit daft to me as it would make the directory entry harder to handle. And what, pray tell me, is an INODE number? Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Nov 22 18:54:13 1996 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 13:10:02 -0500 From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-Id: <961122131000_637680712@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SNA-RUNner: IFF2 - Reply - Reply Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 187 Lines: 11 In a message dated 22/11/96 09:56:03, you write: >Samsboss. >(Can't think of any funny lines tonight. Must be time for bed, Boing!) > > > Now we know what TV prog s/he watches. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Nov 22 18:54:14 1996 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 13:10:00 -0500 From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-Id: <961122130959_604952904@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SAM name Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 449 Lines: 17 In a message dated 22/11/96 09:53:38, you write: >>Bah! Son of Alan Miles sounds much better. >-- > >But then it would be called the Adrian. > >Samsboss. Did you know that the Arab version was going to be called Samantha? First, it was considered that SAM had too many American connotations (Uncle SAM ect.) and second Samantha was the name of the daughter of one of the Arab company directors. Just useless info everyone can ignore. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Nov 22 18:54:23 1996 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 13:09:59 -0500 From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-Id: <961122130958_2048443848@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Samson text editor (was Re: SAMSON: bundled software) Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 308 Lines: 12 In a message dated 22/11/96 08:10:37, you write: >That is not a unix-feature - it's a feature of the shell you >are using. ESC is btw a bad key for poor-mans-grep, TAB >is more intuitive. > > -Frode True, I've always thought that the Escape key should be Very Big, Bright Red and labeled 'PANIC!!!' Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Nov 22 18:54:23 1996 From: Gavin Smith Organization: University of Ulster To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 18:16:35 GMT Subject: Re: Samson text editor Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-Id: <151B0F71E86@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 348 Lines: 8 > (For thoes who don't know, LayTex is a handy report/technical document > writing language that has a syntax that looks a bit like HTML except > that it actually does someing! Best part is that the C source is > FREEEEEEE! Look up laytex with Lycos!) I did! All I got was a load of dodgy pages selling kinky clothing *grins* Actually, thanks! From imc Fri Nov 22 19:10:23 1996 Subject: Re: How long a filename? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 19:10:23 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <961122130953_1950719944@emout04.mail.aol.com> from "BrenchleyR@aol.com" at Nov 22, 96 01:09:54 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 551 Lines: 17 On Fri, 22 Nov 1996 13:09:54 -0500, BrenchleyR@aol.com said: > Variable length seems a bit daft to me So you think I should have my file names all the same length? :-) > as it would make the directory entry > harder to handle. Harder in what way? > And what, pray tell me, is an INODE number? The number of an inode. :-) It's an essential part of the Unix file system and it's the place where all the information about the file is kept. The directory only contains the file's name and inode number. imc From imc Fri Nov 22 19:54:27 1996 Subject: Archives To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 19:54:27 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1353 Lines: 40 I've updated the archives. The following files (with .gz added) now exist in http://www.comlab.ox.ac.uk/oucl/users/ian.collier/Misc/sam-users (each contains a week of postings, except that a few quiet weeks have been joined together). name length length_when_gunzipped su960315 11735 59506 su960323 9770 46100 su960330 5967 27852 su960413 23320 113182 su960427 27722 147896 su960504 15713 74318 su960511 16331 91320 su960518 14358 73536 su960525 26436 138468 su960601 19220 91020 su960608 27696 136275 su960615 13207 65357 su960622 7463 32251 su960629 12796 66892 su960713 11212 55182 su960717 8867 46361 su960803 11994 66930 su960831 14763 68362 su960907 20288 104902 su960914 15976 77792 su960921 16184 90539 su960928 31701 169853 su961005 55668 300198 su961012 182890 851346 su961019 89696 435918 su961026 125783 665207 su961102 294299 1454950 su961109 140413 718421 su961116 181994 942294 Congratulations, we made it into 7 digits at the beginning of November... imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Nov 22 19:58:48 1996 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 14:55:36 -0500 From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-Id: <961122145534_637692014@emout14.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SNA-RUNner: IFF2 - Reply - Reply Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1441 Lines: 34 In a message dated 22/11/96 10:11:01, you write: >It didn't work on my machine... I still got a hung drive controller with a >lovely little orange light just sat there looking at me. > >The DPU is such a simple circuit, it's hard to believe that it can't be put >on the main board, for say, the SAM Elite. > >Bob -- how about talking to Edwin Blink and seeing if he'll let you use the >design? > >Simon On any drive, other than the original 1Mb Citizen Slim-lines, fitted to SAM the drive lights come on when the machine is first switched on. Inserting a disc the disc will spin for a few second and then the drive light goes out. This change from the original drives is something to do with the FDI board which was designed for the Citizen 1Mb drives of course. Two mods were looked at by Blue Alpha when they had control over the building of SAMs. The first was the 8Mhz clocking, the second was a mod to reset the 1772. Both were rejected in the end, mainly because it was felt that they were not really necessary. All I can say is that, given the thousands of discs that have gone through my machines over the years, I doubt that I have had more than a handful of corruptions and I don;t think that any of those can be traced to a problem that would be cured by the DPU. Of course, when we get round to designing a replacement for the 1772, we can look at things again, but I would never want to see the golden rule changed. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Nov 22 19:58:48 1996 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 14:55:50 -0500 From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-Id: <961122145549_1649580399@emout03.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Samson text editor (was Re: SAMSON: bundled software) Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 750 Lines: 17 In a message dated 22/11/96 17:12:24, you write: >On Fri, 22 Nov 1996 00:03:18 +0000 (GMT), Andrew M Gale said: >> I really like the auto filename fill in on UNIX > >Yes it can be useful (in a shell, not a text editor) but remember that >every time you do this it reads in a copy of the directory to find out >what the possible completions are. This would only be useful on a hard >disk (providing it's fast enough). But the command LOAD "PRO*" would give the same effect, provided the ROM looked at the list of files, found the first match and the said "Do you want to load 'PROGRAM' ?" That should be an easy thing to do, just branch of it the * is detected, if you say no to a file then it go back and get the next match and ask again. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Nov 22 19:58:54 1996 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 14:55:39 -0500 From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-Id: <961122145539_1285079023@emout18.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Obey the golden rule for disc safety. Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 477 Lines: 17 In a message dated 22/11/96 15:39:10, you write: >> rule, never leave a disc in the drive for long periods. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >Why not? > >imc Because the heads are in contact with the surface and can cause damage, both magnetic and physical. True, its not so bad with modern double sided - old single sided 8" or 5 1/4" drive had a pad on the top side of the disc and you could be left with a real dent in the surface. Bob. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Nov 22 19:58:54 1996 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 14:55:50 -0500 From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-Id: <961122145550_1716689391@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SAM speech... Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 724 Lines: 23 In a message dated 22/11/96 17:17:15, you write: >The SP0256, which I presume was used in the Blue Alpha one, was also used in >the Currah MicroSpeech and also something by Fuller. That's the one. And yes its no longer made. > >On the other hand, chips do exist which store sounds; Yes, but you have to put the sounds in and that ain't easy. The BBC B had a chip that used the voice of a news-reader I think. Took weeks to get the sounds right. The Speaking clock took just as long. > >It is possible to generate speech in software. I'm sure the ARM can cope >with this, though it might be a bit processor intensive and the existing >algorithm uses floating point maths. > There must be a chip somewhere. >imc Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Nov 22 19:58:54 1996 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 14:55:54 -0500 From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-Id: <961122145553_1917176815@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SOS Hard Drives Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2205 Lines: 69 In a message dated 22/11/96 17:17:14, you write: > [cut] >We MUST develop the hard drive interface for the release date anyway. Well there is already a working interface, which I think will get built into SAMSON (although maybe there will be a call for a base version without). However, the problem is the high cost of the hard drives. You just can't get 'reliable' supplies of the smaller drives (say 200 to 500 Mb) which are the ones to use to bring the entry level price down. Still, it is early to be talking about that. > >[cut] >Again, we must strive to cross the barrier that the TEAM we have here on >this list CAN work on comercial (i.e. not bundled) SAMSON products >together, could not agree more. > >Todays industy giants would kill for a company of people as diverse, >productive and well motivated as us! The only part of that sentence we still have to 'prove' is the productive side. > >One potential problem would again the the ownership of the products, >expecialy considering that there are a number of people on this list >with the capacity to manufacture on their own. Not sure how many could make their own PCBs - at least at a cost that would make it worthwhile. >[cut] But what I would love to see come out of this is more people with a small business of their own, something that they can make money out of. This is what led to fantastic boom in the early days of the ZX81 and the Spectrum - lots of little companies all working in the same market. There may be a need for one company, in particular the company that builds SAMSON, to license things from other people, but we will have to wait and see. > . > >If we go down it would not have as big an effect on any one individual >(i.e. Bob!) > Oh, somebody cares.... >Together we may be able to take on the big boys a few years down the road! > >If this is not pratical why not start a new company anyway and distribute >shares or something? That could be an idea, but not until much nearer the time. > >Numb. > >(That's a point! It maybe a good tactical move to go bust if we plan it >properly! We could buy the stuff off ourselves dirt cheap!) > >Was that a joke or not? You decide! Stop it, my side hurts. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Nov 22 20:04:25 1996 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 20:02:39 +0000 (GMT) From: "A.S. Collier" X-Sender: asc25@blue.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: [None] In-Reply-To: <9611221729.AA06412@booth3.ecs.ox.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 304 Lines: 10 > (My other one was only 2 when it died. A repair shop said it wasn't > worth doing, but my family managed to get someone to repair it for 25 > quid. Andrew now thinks it's his because he paid the 25 quid. Bargain.) I won't rise to the bait I won't rise to the bait I won't rise to the bait Andrew From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Nov 22 20:14:25 1996 Message-Id: <199611222012.UAA27291@mail.enterprise.net> From: David Munden To: sam-users Subject: Re: Sam Users List Again (Was: Re: Like a virgin?) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 22:13:22 -0000 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 140 Lines: 7 > David Mundon davidm@enterprise.net Spelling is slightly wrong :) _ |_)avid (\/)unden http://homepages.enterprise.net/davidm/index.html From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Nov 22 23:14:19 1996 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 18:04:50 -0500 From: Neville Young <106166.1560@compuserve.com> Subject: re sam name To: sam users Message-Id: <199611221805_MC1-C40-B57F@compuserve.com> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 310 Lines: 15 On Nov 22, 1996 09:48:15, 'samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com)' wrote: >On Nov 21, 1996 10:48:41, 'Stephen Harding ' wrote: > > >>Bah! Son of Alan Miles sounds much better. -- > >But then it would be called the Adrian. >Samsboss. No that would be Son Of Nev. Nev. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Fri Nov 22 23:14:24 1996 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 18:04:47 -0500 From: Neville Young <106166.1560@compuserve.com> Subject: re: sensible FAT (prejudiced view) To: sam users Message-Id: <199611221805_MC1-C40-B57D@compuserve.com> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 963 Lines: 28 On Nov 21, 1996 16:40:10, 'Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk' wrote: >On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 18:12:19 +0000, Dave Hooper said: >> > Yes, having a map for each file makes erase much easier - although DOS, >> > CP/M and Unix seem to manage without. :-) >> But we don't want the situation where a lot of the disc space is >> filled with info. files about the /files/ on the disc > >Well every operating system has a different way of storing files and they all >have their advantages and disadvantages. Personally I like CP/M for small >files (there's a small list of block numbers actually in the directory) and >Unix's for large files (the inode points to a disk block that contains a list >of block numbers containing the file). I know it's a prejudiced view but I quite like the HDOS filing system. It's based on UNIX with a few additions. directory entries point to file sector allocation maps (inodes) which have tables of sector start,end addresses Nev. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sat Nov 23 05:57:53 1996 Date: 22 Nov 1996 17:31:49 +0000 Message-Id: <961123050114@digibank.demon.co.uk> From: Stewart Skardon To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Website - Reply (Or members list) Organization: Digital Databank BBS X-Mailer: ArcadeLink - Email/News Gateway X-System: DigiLink Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1263 Lines: 28 Dan, What do you mean? :- >Before I forget, welcome to the list Dave and welcome back Stuart. I've never been on this list before, unless I was here without knowing it! And, BTW it's Stewart! (arrrgh...why does everyone do that?) And while I'm on that subject, could you please change it in the users list as well? +--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ | | Coming soon..... | | Stewart Skardon | Look out for SAMs 2nd (?) BBS | | sskardon@digibank.demon.co.uk | Watch this space folks! | | | | +--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ *** !DigiMail 1.2d (20-Nov-1996) - The Digital Databank BBS OLR *** -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Digital Databank BBS: +44-1707-323531 (300-28.8k/V42/42b) 24 hours | | FidoNet: 2:257/501.0 Sysop: jstonier@digibank.demon.co.uk | | (Acorn Information at your Fingertips) | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sat Nov 23 06:06:13 1996 Date: 22 Nov 1996 17:31:48 +0000 Message-Id: <961123050111@digibank.demon.co.uk> From: Stewart Skardon To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: How long a filename? Organization: Digital Databank BBS X-Mailer: ArcadeLink - Email/News Gateway X-System: DigiLink Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1220 Lines: 27 Bob, >Talking of which, how about longer filenames? I think longer filenames would be nice, but I think 20 characters would be more than enough. Who needs more than that to describe a file? After all, we've managed well enough with SAMs current filename lengths. Stewart. +--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ | | Coming soon..... | | Stewart Skardon | Look out for SAMs 2nd (?) BBS | | sskardon@digibank.demon.co.uk | Watch this space folks! | | | | +--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ *** !DigiMail 1.2d (20-Nov-1996) - The Digital Databank BBS OLR *** -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Digital Databank BBS: +44-1707-323531 (300-28.8k/V42/42b) 24 hours | | FidoNet: 2:257/501.0 Sysop: jstonier@digibank.demon.co.uk | | (Acorn Information at your Fingertips) | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sat Nov 23 06:17:04 1996 Date: 22 Nov 1996 17:31:48 +0000 Message-Id: <961123050109@digibank.demon.co.uk> From: Stewart Skardon To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: SAMson (again!) Organization: Digital Databank BBS X-Mailer: ArcadeLink - Email/News Gateway X-System: DigiLink Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1082 Lines: 21 All this SAMson stuff sounds very nice, but won't it make our SAMs look damn ugly, with all of these interfaces sticking out of the back? +--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ | | Coming soon..... | | Stewart Skardon | Look out for SAMs 2nd (?) BBS | | sskardon@digibank.demon.co.uk | Watch this space folks! | | | | +--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ *** !DigiMail 1.2d (20-Nov-1996) - The Digital Databank BBS OLR *** -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Digital Databank BBS: +44-1707-323531 (300-28.8k/V42/42b) 24 hours | | FidoNet: 2:257/501.0 Sysop: jstonier@digibank.demon.co.uk | | (Acorn Information at your Fingertips) | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sat Nov 23 11:52:57 1996 Message-Id: <199611230920.JAA17123@hermes.clara.net> From: David Ledbury To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SAMson (again!) Organisation: Persona X-Mailer: Atlantis v4.5 Date: Sat, 23 Nov 96 09:17:11 GMT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 560 Lines: 15 On 1996/11/23 9:10:49 you wrote: > >All this SAMson stuff sounds very nice, but won't it make our SAMs look damn >ugly, with all of these interfaces sticking out of the back? > Who cares? It'd make the computer more powerful than almost anything else (the ARM chip being similar to those used in the 3DO machines, and with the power of the other processor - it's on par with many top consoles - or even the Pentium based machines). And the idea is that the stuff should end up in a new machine in time. Sorry if I sound crabby - just woken up! David L From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sat Nov 23 11:52:57 1996 Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 09:20:41 +0000 (GMT) From: Tim Wells To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Comment Re Item 1a In-Reply-To: <961119114153_1318151952@emout11.mail.aol.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1432 Lines: 28 > a) Design external battery backed SRAM board. Initial 128K memory. Paged to > replace either the Low ROM and/or the High ROM. Ports set-up to select which > page is in which slot and if write protected or not. Write protection will > also have hard switch which will prevent unauthorized changes to SRAM. Board > to be designed to allow more SRAM to be added at a later date if required. Well, as no-one else has commented, let's start the ball rolling... Aside from the memory, we'll need a bit of hardware to detect the changing of the relevant bits of LMPR(?) - ie the paging in of a ROM. Also the allocation of at least one port to control the paging of the SRAM. Need two values in that port - one for the lower block, the second for the block going into higher memory. Can be done with one port - 3 bits gives us 8 blocks of 16K => 128K. That takes up 6 bits. Then we have two bits left over, of which one is probably needed for "Disable SRAM" - so that normal operation can be resumed. The other bit can then be used for a software "Write disable". If we want to have more SRAM, that means two ports. A hardware Write disable switch has already been talked about, but for development at least, a hardware SRAM disable switch will also be needed - so you can get back to the SAM Rom after your development code has crashed. I look forward to all the corrections, and the better ways of doing all this. Tim W. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sat Nov 23 11:55:33 1996 Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 09:39:31 +0000 (GMT) From: Tim Wells To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Samson text editor In-Reply-To: <199611221739.RAA01485@BITS.bris.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1907 Lines: 45 On Fri, 22 Nov 1996, Stephen Harding wrote: > What we don't NEED is the full blown 'better than Word' (as if it would be > hard!) with the machine ((but it must be available at releasedate!)) We look forward to seeing your development version of Sam Sword at the next show... (for those that don't get it, add an apostrophe :) > The text editor could be written as one of the most integral parts of the > opperating system. We could use the same program (but decorated different > ways) to act as a terminal, A colour coded C programming window, A > non-colour coded C programming window(!), the assembler, shell comands to > SAMbasicCLI, Colourfull shell prgramming to SAMbasicCLI(!), an equation > builder, text format converter, LayTex, and notepad! I use emacs a lot, but wouldn't want to force it on anyone. Give them a few basic tools, and let'em progress to the sledgehammers. > Phew! > It would actually save a lot of work! Not for the programmers it wouldn't. > [...] > (For thoes who don't know, LayTex is a handy report/technical document > writing language that has a syntax that looks a bit like HTML except > that it actually does someing! Best part is that the C source is > FREEEEEEE! Look up laytex with Lycos!) Despite the plug for LaTex, it isn't WYSIWYG (at the moment*). Whilst the average computer enthusiast/sciency person is happy to work with things like LaTex (and raw HTML for that matter), the man on the Clapham Omnibus doesn't - witness the rise of WYSIWYG HTML editors. [* Qualifier added because I've recently seen lyx - a WYSIWYG front end - but this is by no means a finished product] > But it would be necessary to make it compatable with just about every > text file format on the plannet. Cripple it before it's even written why don't you? :) Let it deal with ASCII only - later things (like your port of emacs) can contain filters like that. Tim W. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sat Nov 23 14:34:05 1996 Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 14:29:02 GMT Message-Id: <199611231429.OAA05384@pipe1.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Archives From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) Cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Pipeuser: samsboss X-Pipehub: uk.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 204 Lines: 11 On Nov 22, 1996 19:54:27, 'Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk' wrote: >Congratulations, we made it into 7 digits at the beginning of November... > >imc -- Hells bells, didn't we do well. Samsboss. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sat Nov 23 14:34:11 1996 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: Edinburgh Uni (CS and MATHS) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 14:06:25 +0000 Subject: Re: How long a filename? Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-Id: Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 688 Lines: 13 > *BZZZZT* ASCII 255 does not excists. :) How about using them sub-codes from 0-31 that simon keeps talking about, you know, club, smiley face, musical note, double-headed arrow... I'm sure I'd find a use for them in file names... ;) Why do we need ascii 32-255? Why not stick to 32-176 or whatever constitutes 'letters' rather than 'block graphics' - possibly a form of protection from corrupted file headers... +---------------------------------------+------------------------+ | a shot in the dark with a rubber gun | wizards and 3D an | | http://www.geocities.com/area51/5636/ | unbeatable combination | +---------------------------------------+------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sat Nov 23 14:34:11 1996 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: Edinburgh Uni (CS and MATHS) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 14:09:31 +0000 Subject: Re: [None] Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-Id: Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 575 Lines: 10 > If you don't have a SCART your TV is too old anyway. Think > about your eyes. :) What bollocks. I bought my TV a couple of months ago. The only reason it doesn't have SCART is that it was fairly cheap. I'm poor. My /video/ has scart (output, at least), but then again my fiancee bought that for me... +---------------------------------------+------------------------+ | a shot in the dark with a rubber gun | wizards and 3D an | | http://www.geocities.com/area51/5636/ | unbeatable combination | +---------------------------------------+------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sat Nov 23 14:34:11 1996 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: Edinburgh Uni (CS and MATHS) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 14:11:09 +0000 Subject: Re: SAMSON: bundled software Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-Id: Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 856 Lines: 16 > We've already GOT a decent text editor, in fact we've got loasd of > them. OutWrite 2 is my favourite, although I used SAMScratch for > years before 'upgrading' - although it was more of a sidegrade than > an upgrade, methinks. Indeed. Decent text editors (for decent read perfectly usable, and not fancy-pants) are easy-ish to come by and fairly similar anyway. > What we haven't got is a decent word processor and if anybody > thinks that a computer will be marketable if it doesn't have a > WYSIWYG Word processor then they're living in fantasy island. My point entirely. +---------------------------------------+------------------------+ | a shot in the dark with a rubber gun | wizards and 3D an | | http://www.geocities.com/area51/5636/ | unbeatable combination | +---------------------------------------+------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sat Nov 23 14:34:11 1996 Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 14:27:43 GMT Message-Id: <199611231427.OAA05341@pipe1.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Samson text editor From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) Cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Pipeuser: samsboss X-Pipehub: uk.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 263 Lines: 9 On Nov 22, 1996 18:16:35, '"Gavin Smith" ' wrote: >I did! All I got was a load of dodgy pages selling kinky clothing -- I suppose at theis point you all expect me to say "Where! WHERE!!" Well I's not going to, so there. Samsboss. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sat Nov 23 14:34:12 1996 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: Edinburgh Uni (CS and MATHS) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 14:03:24 +0000 Subject: Re: SAM speech... Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-Id: Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 668 Lines: 11 > Gotta be phonim based. The BAE one used a chip which I heard went out of > production. Must be summit new around. Anyone read the electronic mags? I believe the phoneme chip is still banging around (according to the latest MAPLIN anyway, or at least the most recent one I bought, not necessarily the same). But a software phoneme-based thingy would be dead easy, would it not? Oh - and cheap. +---------------------------------------+------------------------+ | a shot in the dark with a rubber gun | wizards and 3D an | | http://www.geocities.com/area51/5636/ | unbeatable combination | +---------------------------------------+------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sat Nov 23 15:06:00 1996 Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 14:33:10 GMT Message-Id: <199611231433.OAA05540@pipe1.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SAMson (again!) From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) Cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Pipeuser: samsboss X-Pipehub: uk.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 497 Lines: 16 On Nov 22, 1996 17:31:48, 'Stewart Skardon ' wrote: >All this SAMson stuff sounds very nice, but won't it make our SAMs look damn >ugly, with all of these interfaces sticking out of the back? -- I know what you mean, although I for one would be willing to put up with it to get some of the new features. How about a box to hold all the extras, connected to SAM via twisted pair cables (I'm told ribbon cable would not work - is that true). Samsboss. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sat Nov 23 16:06:13 1996 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <626.199611231604@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: How long a filename? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 16:04:01 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <9611221712.AA06303@booth3.ecs.ox.ac.uk> from "Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk" at Nov 22, 96 05:12:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 220 Lines: 8 > > *BZZZZT* ASCII 255 does not excists. :) > *BZZZZT* yes it does; it's a y-umlaut. *BZZZZT* No it doesn't - ASCII goes up to character 127 only. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go and track down this bee... From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sat Nov 23 16:12:55 1996 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <903.199611231609@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Samson text editor (was Re: SAMSON: bundled software) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 16:09:01 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <9611221631.AA06042@booth3.ecs.ox.ac.uk> from "Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk" at Nov 22, 96 04:31:26 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 306 Lines: 8 > > editor that would recognise certain keywords and fill > Well it's a possible addition to the syntax-highlighting editor that someone > was talking about, but again this is something that would be sold, not given > away. Have you ever seen MindReader, for the PC? It does just this, and is shareware. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sat Nov 23 16:12:55 1996 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <949.199611231609@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Sam Users List Again (Was: Re: Like a virgin?) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 16:09:49 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <199611222012.UAA27291@mail.enterprise.net> from "David Munden" at Nov 21, 96 10:13:22 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 134 Lines: 5 > > David Mundon davidm@enterprise.net > Spelling is slightly wrong :) If you'd write more, maybe we'd remember how to spell it! ;) From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sat Nov 23 16:39:13 1996 Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 11:36:43 -0500 From: Neville Young <106166.1560@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: item 1A - SRAM board To: sam users Message-Id: <199611231136_MC1-C5F-5435@compuserve.com> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 517 Lines: 26 Hi, Ok I've designed an sram board. Features are: from 32K to 2M of battery backed static ram. giving from 2 - 128 16K pages. any page in either bloack A or D. software write enable/disable 2 ports for bank selection and write enable. ports are read and write. reset selects bank for startup code. dip switches for: write protect. board enable (write only for initial loading of sram) select 4 types of sram chip. Now who's going to check the schematic over, and what format should I use to put it here? Nev From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sat Nov 23 16:39:19 1996 Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 11:36:40 -0500 From: Neville Young <106166.1560@compuserve.com> Subject: how long a filename To: sam users Message-Id: <199611231136_MC1-C5F-5434@compuserve.com> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 239 Lines: 9 > How about using them sub-codes from 0-31 that simon keeps talking about, you > know, club, smiley face, musical note, double-headed arrow... I think you will find the codes have wonderful names like: NUL,SOH,STX,ETX,ENQ,ACK,BEL Nev . From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sat Nov 23 17:08:01 1996 Message-Id: <199611231705.RAA21929@mail.enterprise.net> From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Ftn-To: Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com Subject: SAM name Date: 23 Nov 1996 16:52:35 Organization: Dalmation BBS References: <199611220948.JAA22365@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> X-Newsreader: Spot 1.3 Unregistered X-Mailer: NetGate 1.3 (Amiga; TCP/IP) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 257 Lines: 14 In a message of 22 Nov 96 Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com wrote to sam-users@nvg.unit.no: Hi Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com, >> Bah! Son of Alan Miles sounds much better. Sup> -- Sup> Sup> But then it would be called the Adrian. Francis? :) Bye, _ |_)ave From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sat Nov 23 17:08:12 1996 Message-Id: <199611231705.RAA21919@mail.enterprise.net> From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: SAM name Date: 23 Nov 1996 16:55:56 X-Newsreader: Spot 1.3 X-Mailer: NetGate 1.3 (Amiga; TCP/IP) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 304 Lines: 14 In a message of 22 Nov 96 Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com wrote to sam-users@nvg.unit.no: Hi Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com, >> Bah! Son of Alan Miles sounds much better. Sup> -- Sup> Sup> But then it would be called the Adrian. ^^^^^^^ Francis? :) Bye, _ |_)ave From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sat Nov 23 17:08:12 1996 From: JohnnaPig Teare Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 17:01:20 GMT+0 Subject: Re: SAMPaint - The Next Generation Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-Id: <7C0A087C6B@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1218 Lines: 34 > On Fri, 22 Nov 1996, JohnnaPig Teare wrote: > > > After Lee's wonderful accelerator demo program, i thought I'd chip in > > with my revised version of SAMPaint. It's for ASCII art only though. > > > > 5 Do > > 10 Get a > > 20 Print a; > > 30 Loop > > > > You can change the colours aswell, just press ESCape and type PEN ?? > > and then press F5 (CONTINUE). > > I thought that would be a wordprocessor... Maybe even a DTP package! :) blimey - it's all three, and a spreadsheet and a database (if you do the adding up yourself, and tabulate everything nicely). The shortest ever works package in computer history. > > With software like this, the SAMSon will be a world beater... > > Too Right! > > -- > ============================================================================= > |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Don't take life so seriously, | > |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | you'll never survive it! | > |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | - (C) CamLoRTS 1996 | > ============================================================================= > > Johnna Pig Teare (j.d.teare@uclan.ac.uk) "Mab is the Queen and there's a good apothecary man!" From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sat Nov 23 18:49:38 1996 From: Stephen Harding Message-Id: <199611231816.SAA05046@BITS.bris.ac.uk> Subject: Re: SAMSON ugly? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no (sam users) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 18:16:28 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 838 Lines: 27 > >All this SAMson stuff sounds very nice, but won't it make our SAMs look > >damn ugly, with all of these interfaces sticking out of the back? > -- -- > > I know what you mean, although I for one would be willing to put up with > it to get some of the new features. > > How about a box to hold all the extras, connected to SAM via twisted > pair cables (I'm told ribbon cable would not work - is that true). > > Samsboss. > Ugly? Baaa! I think quite the opposite is true! You cannot have a computer in a single tidy box! My Speccy looked much nicer than my SAM does at it had a huge Discovery disk drive, a couple of joystick interfaces, an RGB screen driving interface, a microface etc. and lots of unnecessary wires and leads laying about! It will be great to have a cool looking development machine! C9 Numb. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sat Nov 23 18:59:05 1996 From: Stephen Harding Message-Id: <199611231845.SAA05067@BITS.bris.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Samson text editor To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no (sam users) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 18:45:11 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2806 Lines: 69 > > What we don't NEED is the full blown 'better than Word' (as if it > > would be hard!) with the machine ((but it must be available at > > releasedate!)) > > We look forward to seeing your development version of Sam Sword at the > next show... (for those that don't get it, add an apostrophe :) *smirks (but tries to hide it due to the feeebality of the comment)* Calling the final thing Sword would be too dodgy! How about just calling it 'processor' i.e. 'wordprocessor' with a silent 'word' as apposed to a silent 'processor' bit? (How can Traff-o-data have a silent 'processor' when a pentium needs a silly noisy fan? > > The text editor could be written as one of the most integral parts of > > the opperating system. We could use the same program (but decorated > > different ways) to act as a terminal, A colour coded C programming window, > > A non-colour coded C programming window(!), the assembler, shell comands > > to non-colour coded C programming window(!), the assembler, shell > > comands to SAMbasicCLI, Colourfull shell prgramming to SAMbasicCLI(!), an equation > > builder, text format converter, LayTex, and notepad! > > I use emacs a lot, but wouldn't want to force it on anyone. Give them a > few basic tools, and let'em progress to the sledgehammers. what is an emac? have I missed the main point here? If there is one thing we should give them, it would be a decent text editor. low level hacker dudes would love a decent one, high level C type dudes would realy appreciate it, and so-high-I-think-I-may-float-out-of- the-oxygen-rich-atmosphere dudes would be able to get confused by the pritty colours for a few seconds on one occasion before the press Bobs (cool) PANIC!! button and load SAMprocessor. > > Phew! > > It would actually save a lot of work! > > Not for the programmers it wouldn't. > No? Writing one standard (top notch) text editor as opposed to lots and lots of silly little individual ones for all of the applications I listed? Just writing one would surely be easier, even in the short term let alone the long run. This way, the stand text editor on the flash could be changed when be get better at optimising and just about all of the appications already on the system would be speeded up. > > [ LayTex suggestion] > Despite the plug for LaTex, it isn't WYSIWYG (at the moment*). That is exactly why I sugested putting it on the standard text editor! Fools! ;o) If it was wysiwyg then it would need its own special type of window! The WYSIGWYG LaTex system can be written later! (unlike 'processor' which NEEDS to make the release date) I am just thinking of providing for the sort of (generally acorn loving) hacker types that hate PCs so are quite likely to go for SAMSON if we don't press the speccy connection too much! From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sat Nov 23 19:04:23 1996 From: Stephen Harding Message-Id: <199611231900.TAA05108@BITS.bris.ac.uk> Subject: SOS SAM Hardware? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no (sam users) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 19:00:40 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1806 Lines: 39 > >We MUST develop the hard drive interface for the release date anyway. > > Well there is already a working interface, which I think will get built > into SAMSON (although maybe there will be a call for a base version without). > However, the problem is the high cost of the hard drives. You just can't > get 'reliable' supplies of the smaller drives (say 200 to 500 Mb) which are > the ones to use to bring the entry level price down. Still, it is early to be > talking about that. True. We must try to simplify the current design to take into account the new hardware of the SAMSON so it can be built as cheaply as possible. Would it be possible to include it physialy on the main board in such a way that it can easly be bypassed if a new card is ever developed and inserted into one of SAMSONs expansion slot? This would reduce production costs for buyers as they will almost certainly want to get a hard drive sooner or later. What about the current SAM printer interface? do we want to bolt that onto the SAM side of the machine too? I surpose we had better as lots of us will probably own one already. (I do anyway!). It worries me that all of the I/O devises bar the screen are to be connected to the SAM part. This could well result in a serious bottle neck, and was why the question of a SAMSON specific hard drive and CD player were suggested in the first place (I thought). Changing the subject, I think it would be a great idea to put a copy of the archives somewhere VERY safe for future reference by amazed historians when SAMSON completely takes over the world and there is at least 5 in every home! (how many times have YOU had a copy that bloke who created RISC technologys 'first' notes on the posibility?) Numb. P.S. Hello there Mr./Ms Amazed Historian from the future! From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sat Nov 23 19:10:53 1996 From: Stephen Harding Message-Id: <199611231905.TAA05124@BITS.bris.ac.uk> Subject: Re: SOS text editor To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no (sam users) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 19:05:51 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 765 Lines: 19 > > A comprehensive 'text editor' could be provided that would be better > than any silly wordprocessor any day of the week. > > Text editors and word processors should be kept separate. For one thing > word processors have proportional fonts [:-)] and allow you to change > the font as you go along - something which is meaningless in a text editor. That is what I ment to (and thought I did) say. The 'processor needs to be developed in time for the release date but should not be bundled with the machine. The Speadsheet needs to be developed in time for the release date but should not be bundled with the machine. The text editor must be ready for the release date and must be bundled with the machine. Let's make it a good (multipurpose) one! Numb. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sat Nov 23 19:13:46 1996 From: Stephen Harding Message-Id: <199611231910.TAA05141@BITS.bris.ac.uk> Subject: SAM company To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no (sam users), company@BITS.bris.ac.uk Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 19:10:18 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 732 Lines: 18 > I was just about to mail the list with something like this myself. I > think I've finally accepted the fact that West Coast do exist and its > not just a cover for Format Pub. But, Bob, if they have no real > interest in Sam (as you yourself said), and they don't know about the > plans for SAMson, would it not be possible for you (or even a group > of us) to buy the name West Coast Computers or the rights to Sam or > something. It would be a lot easier to finance the SAMson project than > to get WCC to finance it. > > Gavin Smith Why buy the name! I hate it! Just like the South Wests TV company 'WestCountry' The logo SHOULD be a picture of a toilet with the big letters on the door... 'WC' ! :o) Numb. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sat Nov 23 19:18:35 1996 From: Stephen Harding Message-Id: <199611231915.TAA05158@BITS.bris.ac.uk> Subject: Tecky manual = annoying To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no (sam users) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 19:15:40 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 664 Lines: 20 > Is there any discrepances between the ROM Floating Point Calculator > commands listed in the Tech Manual (Issue 3 - The Format one) and the ones in > ROM3.0? Changing the subject completely, but whoes Idea was it to have page 'ii' of said manual blank with the words (somethink alone the lines of)... Blank Page. This page is reserved for future use. WHY???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Why not just not bother having the page there? Or put it at the end of the manual? Where you intending to recall thousands of manuals a few months later and use the page? Is it just me or were thay all like it? From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sat Nov 23 19:50:41 1996 From: Gavin Smith Organization: University of Ulster To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 19:50:19 GMT Subject: Re: SAM company Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-Id: <16B41601B76@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 370 Lines: 13 > Why buy the name! I hate it! > Just like the South Wests TV company 'WestCountry' > The logo SHOULD be a picture of a toilet with the big letters on the > door... 'WC' ! > > :o) > Numb. I really meant, buy them out so that someone who actually cares about the SAM can do what they want with it. And any change to the logo would be an improvement :) Gavin Smith From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sun Nov 24 01:39:55 1996 Message-Id: From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale) Subject: z80 interrupts again To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 01:38:03 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <199611231136_MC1-C5F-5434@compuserve.com> from "Neville Young" at Nov 23, 96 11:36:40 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 242 Lines: 9 Thanks to everyone who replied on interrupts.... but I've got another! Does HALT respond to both INT and NMI interrupts, or just INT? I'm afraid the only z80 reference book I have at the mo is a slightly lacking Bernard Babani book! -Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sun Nov 24 01:43:41 1996 Message-Id: From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale) Subject: Re: item 1A - SRAM board To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 01:40:46 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <199611231136_MC1-C5F-5435@compuserve.com> from "Neville Young" at Nov 23, 96 11:36:43 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 224 Lines: 9 > Now who's going to check the schematic over, > and what format should I use to put it here? > I can do that... .pdf .gif or postscript is no problem. 2Meg? Is tat with lots of chips or just a few monster memories? -Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sun Nov 24 13:07:02 1996 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19961124105719.008ead1c@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 10:57:19 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: SAMson (again!) Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 488 Lines: 14 At 14:33 23/11/96 GMT, you wrote: >How about a box to hold all the extras, connected to SAM via twisted pair >cables (I'm told ribbon cable would not work - is that true). Well, it worked for Martin Rookyard... but it's not a recommended solution. Actually, neither is twisted pair cables -- it's the signal deskewing[1] at either end which is the problem. Simon [1] i.e. making sure that all the data signals arrive simultaneously within the limits of the databus read/write cycle From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sun Nov 24 13:07:02 1996 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19961124105722.008edc48@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 10:57:22 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Expertise needed... Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 362 Lines: 14 Dear Everyone, Just on a quest... anybody know anything about how existing wordprocessors (not on the SAM) handle memory? I'm talking stuff like Word for Windows here. I seem to remember something like a text block and a font/attribute block. Can't remember how they interact though. Any resources/reading material/URLs/whatever greatfully received. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sun Nov 24 13:07:03 1996 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19961124105717.008e90c0@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 10:57:17 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: How long a filename? Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 764 Lines: 21 At 14:06 23/11/96 +0000, you wrote: >Status: > >> *BZZZZT* ASCII 255 does not excists. :) > >How about using them sub-codes from 0-31 that simon keeps talking >about, you know, club, smiley face, musical note, double-headed >arrow... I'm sure I'd find a use for them in file names... ;) >Why do we need ascii 32-255? Why not stick to 32-176 or whatever >constitutes 'letters' rather than 'block graphics' - possibly a form >of protection from corrupted file headers... Well, ASCII 0-31 are usually control codes on most systems, so we can keep them out of it for a start... (I use them in Termite as display codes for extended VT100 and IBMPC graphics characters) I don't understand this "form of protection against corrupted file headers" thing. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sun Nov 24 13:07:03 1996 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19961124105720.008ec454@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 10:57:20 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: item 1A - SRAM board Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 647 Lines: 22 At 11:36 23/11/96 -0500, you wrote: >Ok I've designed an sram board. [snip] >Now who's going to check the schematic over, >and what format should I use to put it here? I'll check it... if you can send it over as DXF, Protel schematic or Postscript printout :) Just one thing: Are you using the ROMCS lines to work out whether or not to read/write to the banks? If so you won't be able to write to them -- the ROM lines don't go active on writes. Just a little something we discovered when we designed the MultiROM board... Speaking of which, why not use that? Up to 512k of ROM, 512k of SRAM (battery backed), and bob's your uncle... Simon From imc Sun Nov 24 13:22:48 1996 Subject: Life patterns To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 13:22:48 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 2228 Lines: 75 Those of you that have Syncytium will know that it has on it a Life program that can do 64x48 cell screens at about 8 generations per second. I have extracted some life patterns from a version of the "xlock" program and put them in the Misc directory of my web page. There are several interesting ones there (athough many are quite boring). In order to use this file you will have to turn it into a string. If you have samtools then just use the -string flag. Otherwise save it as code, load it on the Sam and LET block$=MEM$(...) and save block$. The format of this file is 55 blocks of 400, where the first 16 bytes in each block are information and the others are a 64x48 bitmap of cells. Oh yes, the file is called "lifepatterns". A list of patterns appears below. I don't know what P4 etc mean (perhaps some of these came from a book); these are the comments for each pattern in the xlock program. imc 1 GLIDER GUN 2 SHOWER TUB (PART OF OSCILATORS) 3 P4 LARGE TOASTER 4 STARGATE REPEATER P3 5 OSCILLATOR 7 (P8) 6 P144 7 FIGURE EIGHT 8 PULSAR 18-22-20 9 PULSAR 48-56-72 10 BARBER POLE P2 11 ACHIM P5 12 HERTZ P4 13 PUMP (TUMBLER, P14) 14 PULSE1 P4 15 SHINING FLOWER P5 16 PULSE2 P6 17 PINWHEEL P4 18 CLOCK P4 19 CROSS P3 20 BIG CROSS P3 21 P4 DIAG SYM 22 P4 ASYM 23 P4 ASYM 2 24 P4 SYM 25 WHIRLY THING P12 26 PENTADECATHOLON P15 27 BALLOON P5 28 FENCEPOST P12 29 PISTON (SHUTTLE) P30 30 P30 31 PISTON2 P46 32 GEARS (gear, flywheel, blinker) P2 33 TURBINE8, KOK'S GALAXY 34 P16 35 P28 (FLUTTER) 36 P54 (PISTON3) 37 SWITCH ENGINE 38 PUFFER TRAIN 39 SCHOOL OF FISH (ESCORT) 40 DART SPEED 1/3 41 PERIOD 4 SPEED 1/2 42 ANOTHER PERIOD 4 SPEED 1/2 43 SMALLEST KNOWN PERIOD 3 SPACESHIP SPEED 1/3 44 TURTLE SPEED 1/3 45 SMALLEST KNOWN PERIOD 5 SPEED 2/5 46 SYM PUFFER 47 RAKE P20 BACKWARDS 48 RAKE P20 FORWARDS 49 RAKE P24 BACKWARDS 50 BIG GLIDER 1 51 BIG GLIDER 2 52 BIG GLIDER 3 53 PI HEPTOMINO (], NEAR SHIP) 54 R PENTOMINO 55 BUNNIES From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sun Nov 24 13:39:21 1996 From: JohnnaPig Teare Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 13:21:45 GMT+0 Subject: Re: Corruption, Sleaze and Scandal Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-Id: <906B9233C1@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 390 Lines: 15 Hello, > I don't understand this "form of protection against corrupted file headers" > thing. i think he means that when a corrupted file header gets...erm...corrupted, it usually fills up with lots of nice block graphics and things. Usually colour control codes and stuff. > Simon > > Johnna Pig Teare (j.d.teare@uclan.ac.uk) "Mab is the Queen and there's a good apothecary man!" From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sun Nov 24 13:39:32 1996 Message-Id: From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale) Subject: Re: item 1A - SRAM board To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 13:25:11 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19961124105720.008ec454@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> from "Simon Cooke" at Nov 24, 96 10:57:20 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 233 Lines: 7 > Speaking of which, why not use that? Up to 512k of ROM, 512k of SRAM > (battery backed), and bob's your uncle... > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Never mind Son of Alan Miles. Why not call the new one Nephew Of Bob? -A From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sun Nov 24 16:16:49 1996 Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 16:14:31 +0000 (GMT) From: Tim Wells To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Cc: sam users Subject: Re: item 1A - SRAM board In-Reply-To: <199611231136_MC1-C5F-5435@compuserve.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 350 Lines: 15 On Sat, 23 Nov 1996, Neville Young wrote: > Ok I've designed an sram board. > Features are: > [...] > > Now who's going to check the schematic over, > and what format should I use to put it here? Was going to offer, but see others have already volunteered. Would have thought that a postscript file would be fairly distributable though. Tim W. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sun Nov 24 16:22:38 1996 X-Authentication-Warning: dcsun4.comp.brad.ac.uk: lwillis owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 16:20:45 +0000 (GMT) From: Lee Willis To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: How long a filename? In-Reply-To: <9611221031.AA09081@asmal.edh-net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 410 Lines: 17 On Fri, 22 Nov 1996, Frode Tenneboe wrote: ;>> 256, allowing any character between 32 and 255 ASCII... or we could go the ;>> whole hog and use Unicode ;) (but that might be a little OTT). ;> ;>*BZZZZT* ASCII 255 does not excists. :) ;> Yes it does ... Lee. How many Microsoft employees does it take to screw in a light bulb? None, they just make darkness the industry standard! From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sun Nov 24 16:25:37 1996 From: Lord Blackadder To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mmdf-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at relay-11.mail.demon.net Subject: Re: Samson text editor Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 09:24:07 -0000 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <848827501.98468.0@orinocco.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 517 Lines: 22 > From: Tim Wells > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Subject: Re: Samson text editor > Date: 23 November 1996 09:39 [lot's cut] > I use emacs a lot, but wouldn't want to force it on anyone. Give them a few > basic tools, and let'em progress to the sledgehammers. > > Tim W. Gimme vi any day. In fact I think I will do a port to the SAM.... -- Lord Blackadder, Entropy Technology. Blackadder@orinocco.demon.co.uk http://www.orinocco.demon.co.uk "Police Begin Campaign to Run Down Jaywalkers" From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sun Nov 24 16:30:48 1996 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <19210.199611241628@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: How long a filename? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 16:28:43 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: from "Lee Willis" at Nov 24, 96 04:20:45 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 105 Lines: 5 > ;>*BZZZZT* ASCII 255 does not excists. :) > Yes it does ... No it doesn't... ascii is a 7-bit code. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sun Nov 24 16:31:55 1996 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <19358.199611241629@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Samson text editor To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 16:29:29 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <848827501.98468.0@orinocco.demon.co.uk> from "Lord Blackadder" at Nov 24, 96 09:24:07 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 129 Lines: 4 > Gimme vi any day. In fact I think I will do a port to the SAM.... Anyone want to port QEdit to either unix or Sam? Or both? From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sun Nov 24 16:32:11 1996 X-Authentication-Warning: dcsun4.comp.brad.ac.uk: lwillis owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 16:29:31 +0000 (GMT) From: Lee Willis To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SAMPaint - The Next Generation In-Reply-To: <60E8117BB3@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 343 Lines: 13 On Fri, 22 Nov 1996, JohnnaPig Teare wrote: ;>After Lee's wonderful accelerator demo program, i thought I'd chip in ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Erm, wasn't mine .... Lee. How many Microsoft employees does it take to screw in a light bulb? None, they just make darkness the industry standard! From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sun Nov 24 16:38:20 1996 X-Authentication-Warning: dcsun4.comp.brad.ac.uk: lwillis owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 16:36:14 +0000 (GMT) From: Lee Willis To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Samson text editor (was Re: SAMSON: bundled software) In-Reply-To: <9611221700.AA06202@booth3.ecs.ox.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 657 Lines: 25 On Fri, 22 Nov 1996 Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk wrote: ;>On Fri, 22 Nov 1996 09:08:27 +0100, Frode Tenneboe said: ;>> ESC is btw a bad key for poor-mans-grep, TAB ;>> is more intuitive. ;> ;>Esc is not a particularly good key for anything much, given that function ;>keys send it. But why TAB? 'Cos its nice ... ;> ;>imc <--- who is going to have difficulty if he ever changes his shell after ;> using csh for so long :-) ;> Try tc shells, they make life easier all round .... Lee. How many Microsoft employees does it take to screw in a light bulb? None, they just make darkness the industry standard! From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sun Nov 24 16:43:08 1996 From: Lord Blackadder To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mmdf-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at relay-11.mail.demon.net Subject: Re: z80 interrupts again Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 08:22:19 -0000 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <848823598.92607.0@orinocco.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 670 Lines: 22 > From: Andrew M Gale > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Subject: z80 interrupts again > Date: 24 November 1996 01:38 > > Thanks to everyone who replied on interrupts.... > but I've got another! Does HALT respond to both > INT and NMI interrupts, or just INT? I'm afraid the > only z80 reference book I have at the mo is a > slightly lacking Bernard Babani book! > -Andy > Nothing wrong with the Bernard Babani Z80 book - I think it is quite a good little reference. Got the 68000 one as well. -- Lord Blackadder, Entropy Technology. Blackadder@orinocco.demon.co.uk http://www.orinocco.demon.co.uk "Police Begin Campaign to Run Down Jaywalkers" From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sun Nov 24 16:51:41 1996 X-Authentication-Warning: dcsun4.comp.brad.ac.uk: lwillis owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 16:35:15 +0000 (GMT) From: Lee Willis To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Samson text editor (was Re: SAMSON: bundled software) In-Reply-To: <9611221631.AA06042@booth3.ecs.ox.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 800 Lines: 21 On Fri, 22 Nov 1996 Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk wrote: ;>On Fri, 22 Nov 1996 00:03:18 +0000 (GMT), Andrew M Gale said: ;>> I really like the auto filename fill in on UNIX ;> ;>Yes it can be useful (in a shell, not a text editor) but remember that ;>every time you do this it reads in a copy of the directory to find out ;>what the possible completions are. This would only be useful on a hard ;>disk (providing it's fast enough). What about reading a list of filenames into memory whenever a change directory command is issued. That way the OS/DOS would just have to check memory .... Could be too memory intensive, but worth a try ... :) Lee. How many Microsoft employees does it take to screw in a light bulb? None, they just make darkness the industry standard! From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sun Nov 24 17:36:32 1996 From: Lord Blackadder To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mmdf-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at relay-11.mail.demon.net Subject: Re: My C compiler Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 08:26:10 -0000 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <848737564.1024759.0@orinocco.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1280 Lines: 54 > From: Neville Young <106166.1560@compuserve.com> > To: sam users > Subject: My C compiler > Date: 17 November 1996 08:11 > > Dear Blackadder (and anyone else) > > I have generated a little interest but forgot to mention where the compiler > can be got. > > My catalogue is dated July 1995 so could be out of date. > > Write to: > Grey Matter > Prigg Meadow > Ashburton > Devon > TQ13 7DF > > Phone 01364 654100 > Fax 01364 654200 > > Product is: > Hi-Tech IDE HTXCZ80 > > Only :( UKP 640.00 + VAT of UKP 112.00 > discount of 10% on orders of over UKP1000.00 :-( > What platform is that supposed to run on? I take it converts your C to Z80 assembly language. 640UKP for a good C compile seems reasonable to me. Although why bother paying when I have GCC. > > Or to put it another way: > don't moan about the cost of SAM software. > I don't ever remember moaning about the price of SAM software. Cheap is it? I don't really buy anything - everything I use is free. Linux, Java Dev Kit, Netscape, GCC. I did buy OS/2 Warp and use the IBM Works package (which came free with it). > Nev. > -- Lord Blackadder, Entropy Technology. Blackadder@orinocco.demon.co.uk http://www.orinocco.demon.co.uk "Police Begin Campaign to Run Down Jaywalkers" From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sun Nov 24 18:48:17 1996 From: Lord Blackadder To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mmdf-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at relay-9.mail.demon.net Subject: Re: How long a filename? Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 07:14:45 -0000 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <848822984.91577.0@orinocco.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 442 Lines: 18 > From: Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Subject: Re: How long a filename? > Date: 22 November 1996 09:48 > > Go for summit midway, say 64. That should be enough for anyone. > > Samsboss. 64!!!! Arrrrrrghh! -- Lord Blackadder, Entropy Technology. Blackadder@orinocco.demon.co.uk http://www.orinocco.demon.co.uk "Police Begin Campaign to Run Down Jaywalkers" From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sun Nov 24 19:15:26 1996 From: Lord Blackadder To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mmdf-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at relay-11.mail.demon.net Subject: Re: How long a filename? Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 07:12:27 -0000 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <848822966.91560.0@orinocco.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 657 Lines: 26 > From: BrenchleyR@aol.com > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Subject: How long a filename? > Date: 21 November 1996 17:28 > > In a message dated 20/11/96 09:07:07, you write: > > >Please! No file-numbers. > > > > -Frode > > Talking of which, how about longer filenames? What do you think? 20 > characters, 32, 128, 256? > > Bob. 256 - Its gotta be. It's annoying enough that when I have to release something for Xenix that the filenames are limited (let's not even mention DOS filenaming conventions!) -- Lord Blackadder, Entropy Technology. Blackadder@orinocco.demon.co.uk http://www.orinocco.demon.co.uk "Police Begin Campaign to Run Down Jaywalkers" From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sun Nov 24 20:50:45 1996 Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 20:47:33 GMT Message-Id: <199611242047.UAA00260@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SAM name From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) Cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Pipeuser: samsboss X-Pipehub: uk.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 154 Lines: 16 On Nov 23, 1996 16:52:35, 'davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave Whitmore)' wrote: >Francis? > >:) > >Bye, > >_ >|_)ave -- Pardon? Samsboss. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sun Nov 24 20:50:45 1996 Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 20:47:35 GMT Message-Id: <199611242047.UAA00264@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SOS text editor From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) Cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no (sam users) X-Pipeuser: samsboss X-Pipehub: uk.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 546 Lines: 16 On Nov 23, 1996 19:05:51, 'Stephen Harding ' wrote: >The text editor must be ready for the release date and must be bundled >with the machine. Let's make it a good (multipurpose) one! > >Numb. -- Why? By that I mean why only the 'text' editor? A word proccessor, even a fairly simple one, would be much better that a text editor. And yes I have read all the mailings, I just dont see what you can do with a 'text' editor that a proper word processor could do just as well and do a lot more besides. Samsboss. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sun Nov 24 20:50:45 1996 Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 20:47:41 GMT Message-Id: <199611242047.UAA00268@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: item 1A - SRAM board From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) Cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no, sam users X-Pipeuser: samsboss X-Pipehub: uk.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 403 Lines: 13 On Nov 24, 1996 16:14:31, 'Tim Wells ' wrote: >Was going to offer, but see others have already volunteered. Would have >thought that a postscript file would be fairly distributable though. > >Tim W. -- Would be better to use any file format that Paint Shop Pro 3x will read, that is the one that just about everyone will have, and EPS is not one of those. Samsboss. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 07:36:19 1996 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 08:33:53 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9611250733.AA01907@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Samson text editor (was Re: SAMSON: bundled software) X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 492 Lines: 11 > But the command LOAD "PRO*" would give the same effect, provided the ROM > looked at the list of files, found the first match and the said "Do you want > to load 'PROGRAM' ?" > That should be an easy thing to do, just branch of it the * is detected, if > you say no to a file then it go back and get the next match and ask again. Indeed, that's a slow and mean way to do the same thing - not nearly fast enough when you are manipulating files by the hundreds/thousans every day. -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 07:40:03 1996 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 08:38:07 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9611250738.AA01911@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: How long a filename? X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 404 Lines: 16 > >Just to be on the safe side, make it variable up to 256 characters. > >The directory information coould then be the length of the entry, > >the file name and the inode number. > > > > -Frode > > Variable length seems a bit daft to me as it would make the directory entry > harder to handle. Harder? How so? > And what, pray tell me, is an INODE number? Read up on file system theory. :) -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 07:45:11 1996 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 08:42:21 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9611250742.AA01918@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: How long a filename? X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 671 Lines: 18 > > On Fri, 22 Nov 1996 08:56:21 +0100, Frode Tenneboe said: > > Just to be on the safe side, make it variable up to 256 characters. > > The directory information coould then be the length of the entry, > > the file name and the inode number. > > And this message comes just seconds after he asks (again) for a Linux port. > Do we detect a pattern here? :-) Pattern? Where? :) Serioulsy, never ask for something you can't deliver. If the right hardware is there I might considering porting some sort of Unix based operating system. That would require plent of RAM, high enough resolution to waarant an X11 port and a memory-model which is easy to handle. -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 08:00:25 1996 X-Warning: Assuming character set ISO 8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Diso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 08:57:20 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9611250757.AA01986@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: How long a filename? X-Sun-Charset: ISO-8859-1 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 525 Lines: 21 >=20 > On Fri, 22 Nov 1996 11:31:45 +0100, Frode Tenneboe said: > > > 256, allowing any character between 32 and 255 ASCII... or we cou= ld go the > > > whole hog and use Unicode ;) (but that might be a little OTT). >=20 > > *BZZZZT* ASCII 255 does not excists. :) >=20 > *BZZZZT* yes it does; it's a y-umlaut. >=20 *BZZZZT*; y-acute (=FD) and y-diaeresis (=FF) are both not ASCII. :) > On the other hand, 127-159 are control codes in ISO8859. You mean that 128-159 are extended control characters? >=20 > imc > -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 08:01:00 1996 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 08:58:48 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9611250758.AA01989@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: How long a filename? X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 602 Lines: 17 > > On Fri, 22 Nov 1996 11:52:40 +0100, Frode Tenneboe said: > > Yes, but is it a good idea, though? Whatever >127 is not only non-printable > > (well, potentially), but is likely to change from one platform to another > > (eg. when filetransferring). No, ASCII for files, and ISO-8859-x for text. > > I thought you wanted Linux. I bet Linux allows these characters in its > file names. :-) Actually, they do, but it's a real pain to move files with these names to a different system. But, what the hect, let's have them and then it's the users fault if he/she messes up. :) -Frode > > imc > From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 08:03:40 1996 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 09:01:11 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9611250801.AA01996@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Samson text editor (was Re: SAMSON: bundled software) X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 526 Lines: 16 > > On Fri, 22 Nov 1996 09:08:27 +0100, Frode Tenneboe said: > > ESC is btw a bad key for poor-mans-grep, TAB > > is more intuitive. > > Esc is not a particularly good key for anything much, given that function > keys send it. But why TAB? Because it has a 'picturesque' implication - better than anything else at least. TAB -> move cursor to the right (and fill in the rest of...) > > imc <--- who is going to have difficulty if he ever changes his shell after > using csh for so long :-) -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 08:12:05 1996 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 09:09:39 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9611250809.AA01999@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: [None] X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 430 Lines: 12 > > > If you don't have a SCART your TV is too old anyway. Think > > about your eyes. :) > What bollocks. I bought my TV a couple of months ago. The only reason > it doesn't have SCART is that it was fairly cheap. I'm poor. > My /video/ has scart (output, at least), but then again my fiancee > bought that for me... I have yet too see a newer TV which does not have SCART, but my sincer apologies if you have one. -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 08:33:27 1996 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 09:23:26 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9611250823.AA02015@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: item 1A - SRAM board X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 711 Lines: 39 > Ok I've designed an sram board. > Features are: > > from 32K to 2M of battery backed static ram. > giving from 2 - 128 16K pages. 12V, 70A car battery? ;) > any page in either bloack A or D. Will it be compatible with the new memory-structure which will have to come? > > software write enable/disable > 2 ports for bank selection and write enable. > ports are read and write. > > reset selects bank for startup code. > > dip switches for: > write protect. > board enable (write only for initial loading of sram) > select 4 types of sram chip. There are 4 types? > > Now who's going to check the schematic over, > and what format should I use to put it here? PS to nvg? -Frode > > Nev > > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 09:40:10 1996 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 09:37:20 +0000 (GMT) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@napier.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SAM speech... In-Reply-To: <9611221709.AA06270@booth3.ecs.ox.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1367 Lines: 26 On Fri, 22 Nov 1996 Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk wrote: > On Fri, 22 Nov 1996 09:50:04 GMT, Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com said: > > Gotta be phonim based. The BAE one used a chip which I heard went out of > > production. Must be summit new around. Anyone read the electronic mags? > It is possible to generate speech in software. I'm sure the ARM can cope > with this, though it might be a bit processor intensive and the existing > algorithm uses floating point maths. It is possible.. I've seen it on my PC soundcard which use .SAM (The individual "instrument" components for .MOD for the defferent...what are there names?...Phenones or something (The different language sounds). It just goes through a ASCII file (I think) and works out which sounds make up a specific sound and plays them... The Quazar should be able to cope with this... I had a look for it over the weekend but I seem to have misplaced a couple of boxes of disks and I think it was in one of them! -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Don't take life so seriously, | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | you'll never survive it! | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | - (C) CamLoRTS 1996 | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 09:48:50 1996 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 09:44:27 +0000 From: Dan Doore To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Samson text editor (was Re: SAMSON: b - Reply Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 165 Lines: 9 > True, I've always thought that the Escape key should > be Very Big, Bright Red and labeled 'PANIC!!!' I already have one, nestling between ESC and F1 :) Dan. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 10:03:01 1996 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 09:59:41 +0000 (GMT) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@napier.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SAMson (again!) In-Reply-To: <199611231433.OAA05540@pipe1.uk.pipeline.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 906 Lines: 19 On Sat, 23 Nov 1996 samsboss@uk.pipeline.com wrote: > How about a box to hold all the extras, connected to SAM via twisted pair > cables (I'm told ribbon cable would not work - is that true). Not nesseceraly... The only problems with ribbon in the maximum length. Parallel cables have a problem that a signal from one core can get there before a signal from another. It's like the 100m sprint race in the olympics. They all start together.... Twisted Pair cable are only suitable for serial transmissions.. -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Don't take life so seriously, | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | you'll never survive it! | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | - (C) CamLoRTS 1996 | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 10:09:33 1996 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 10:05:50 GMT Message-Id: <199611251005.KAA21244@pipe1.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: item 1A - SRAM board From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) Cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Pipeuser: samsboss X-Pipehub: uk.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 320 Lines: 15 On Nov 25, 1996 09:23:26, 'ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe)' wrote: >PS to nvg? > Again, can I request the use of a 'standard' filetype (EPS, PCX, GIF, JPG, BMP, WMF or TIFF) which is loadable by the vast majority of software. What is PS anyway? Or do you actually mean EPS? >-Frode >> -- Samsboss. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 10:09:45 1996 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19961125095305.0098cb44@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 09:53:05 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: SCREEN$ to PPM? Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1601 Lines: 37 At 06:04 PM 11/22/96 +0000, you wrote: >> Fair enough. What I'm talking about though is a mathematical way of looking >> at it. Assuming a linear relationship between the color gun intensity and >> the palette values > >This is precisely what you should not assume, and why gamma values were >invented. [snip] >It was a quick&dirty algorithm; the only thing you are arguing about is the >multiplication factor, which I should perhaps have un-kludged a bit before >unleashing it on the general public. But still, turning the brightness >up on your monitor probably alters it more than multiplying all values >by 8/7. :-) Hmmmm.... the thing is though: The SAM's RGB output stage is basically an R-2R ladder, which has quite good monotonicity (as long as you assume that all the resistors are of resonable tolerance). It's designed so that each level of brightness increases the output voltage by a certain fraction of the max. output. Gamma values should really only be used to match linear color signals to non-linear phosphor response curves. There's a gamma corrector in all monitors and TV's, so therefore the only time you have to bother with it should be when you're scanning images for display on a monitor, or when you're doing a lot of digitising work (where you /may/ or /may not/ have to use it - I'm not sure). As the Gamma function is non-linear, you're still not getting the same effect as doing the 8/7 multiplication trick -- you're introducing a non-linearity to the data. Still, going off the SAM's palette resolution, it's not going to make that much of a difference. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 10:27:19 1996 X-Authentication-Warning: dcsun4.comp.brad.ac.uk: lwillis owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 10:22:40 +0000 (GMT) From: Lee Willis To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Samson text editor (was Re: SAMSON: bundled software) In-Reply-To: <9611221722.AA06366@booth3.ecs.ox.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 790 Lines: 24 On Fri, 22 Nov 1996 Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk wrote: ;> ;>> I can't see how we could lose the quotes for filenames.. :( Then again... Coud ;>> we add absolute strings into the BASIC syntax like absolute numbers? ;> ;>Not really, because you couldn't distinguish it from a variable name. There ;>aren't that many languages that have absolute strings in them; those that ;>do need special characters to distinguish the variables and/or the command ;>keywords. ;> ;>If you go with a non-BASIC command line then you can dispense with the ;>quotes. You would still need them if you use OS commands within the ;>BASIC though. Why ???? Lee. How many Microsoft employees does it take to screw in a light bulb? None, they just make darkness the industry standard! From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 10:31:32 1996 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 11:27:08 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9611251027.AA02469@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: item 1A - SRAM board X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 430 Lines: 19 > X-Lines: 15 > Status: RO > > On Nov 25, 1996 09:23:26, 'ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe)' wrote: > > > >PS to nvg? > > > Again, can I request the use of a 'standard' filetype (EPS, PCX, GIF, JPG, > BMP, WMF or TIFF) which is loadable by the vast majority of software. > > What is PS anyway? Or do you actually mean EPS? PS is PostScript EPS is Encapsulated PS EPS is fine. JPG is not fine, nor is WMF. -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 10:33:45 1996 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19961125103114.008e71b0@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 10:31:14 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: item 1A - SRAM board Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 572 Lines: 17 At 10:05 AM 11/25/96 GMT, you wrote: >On Nov 25, 1996 09:23:26, 'ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe)' wrote: >>PS to nvg? >> >Again, can I request the use of a 'standard' filetype (EPS, PCX, GIF, JPG, >BMP, WMF or TIFF) which is loadable by the vast majority of software. > >What is PS anyway? Or do you actually mean EPS? It's postscript, as opposed to EPS (Encapsulated Postscript). You know, the kind of stuff you can just send straight to a printer -- Unlike EPS. If you can't do that, get Ghostscript... it'll be one of the best moves you make today. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 10:37:27 1996 X-Authentication-Warning: dcsun4.comp.brad.ac.uk: lwillis owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 10:33:37 +0000 (GMT) From: Lee Willis To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Samson text editor (was Re: SAMSON: bundled software) In-Reply-To: <961122145549_1649580399@emout03.mail.aol.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1554 Lines: 51 On Fri, 22 Nov 1996 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: ;>In a message dated 22/11/96 17:12:24, you write: ;> ;>>On Fri, 22 Nov 1996 00:03:18 +0000 (GMT), Andrew M Gale said: ;>>> I really like the auto filename fill in on UNIX ;>> ;>>Yes it can be useful (in a shell, not a text editor) but remember that ;>>every time you do this it reads in a copy of the directory to find out ;>>what the possible completions are. This would only be useful on a hard ;>>disk (providing it's fast enough). ;> ;>But the command LOAD "PRO*" would give the same effect, provided the ROM ;>looked at the list of files, found the first match and the said "Do you want ;>to load 'PROGRAM' ?" ;>That should be an easy thing to do, just branch of it the * is detected, if ;>you say no to a file then it go back and get the next match and ask again. ;> ;>Bob. ;> Sorry Bob, but I don't like this at all, though I s'pose it could be included. The way Unix works this is to complete as much as it can of the filename and then stops again to accept more input. For example, lets say you have the files this_is_a_program.adb this_is_a_program.ads this_is_a_program.o this_is_a_program.ali this_is_a_program and you type .... this[TAB] the CLI should fill it out to this_is_a_program and then will allow you to fill in the filename as you want ... I think this is much nicer though I s'pose both methods could be included .. Lee. How many Microsoft employees does it take to screw in a light bulb? None, they just make darkness the industry standard! From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 10:47:55 1996 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 11:40:19 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9611251040.AA02473@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Samson text editor (was Re: SAMSON: bundled software) X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 204 Lines: 11 > For example, lets say you have the files > > this_is_a_program.adb > this_is_a_program.ads > this_is_a_program.o > this_is_a_program.ali > this_is_a_program Ohmygod....another gnatter.... -Frode :) From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 10:55:27 1996 X-Authentication-Warning: dcsun4.comp.brad.ac.uk: lwillis owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 10:49:21 +0000 (GMT) From: Lee Willis To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: z80 interrupts again In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 570 Lines: 20 On Sun, 24 Nov 1996, Andrew M Gale wrote: ;>Thanks to everyone who replied on interrupts.... ;>but I've got another! Does HALT respond to both ;>INT and NMI interrupts, or just INT? I'm afraid the ;>only z80 reference book I have at the mo is a ;>slightly lacking Bernard Babani book! ;>-Andy ;> HALT responds at the start of the screen frame only I think Lee. (Preparing to be shouted out for being totally wrong ..) How many Microsoft employees does it take to screw in a light bulb? None, they just make darkness the industry standard! From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 11:02:11 1996 X-Authentication-Warning: dcsun4.comp.brad.ac.uk: lwillis owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 10:55:22 +0000 (GMT) From: Lee Willis To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: How long a filename? In-Reply-To: <19210.199611241628@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 644 Lines: 23 On Sun, 24 Nov 1996, Mr P R Walker wrote: ;> ;>> ;>*BZZZZT* ASCII 255 does not excists. :) ;>> Yes it does ... ;> ;>No it doesn't... ascii is a 7-bit code. ;> The context of this whole silly argument was to do with what characters we should allow in filenames. On the SAM there is a character associated with the byte 255, and therefore it could be used, and therefore DOES exist. Oh and I think there's an 8-bit ascii anyway so it's not always 7 (Though I confess it normally is ...) Lee. How many Microsoft employees does it take to screw in a light bulb? None, they just make darkness the industry standard! From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 11:04:14 1996 X-Authentication-Warning: dcsun4.comp.brad.ac.uk: lwillis owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 10:57:45 +0000 (GMT) From: Lee Willis To: sam users Subject: Re: SOS text editor In-Reply-To: <199611242047.UAA00264@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1171 Lines: 28 On Sun, 24 Nov 1996, Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com wrote: ;>On Nov 23, 1996 19:05:51, 'Stephen Harding ' wrote: ;>>The text editor must be ready for the release date and must be bundled ;>>with the machine. Let's make it a good (multipurpose) one! ;>> ;>>Numb. ;>-- ;>Why? By that I mean why only the 'text' editor? A word proccessor, even a ;>fairly simple one, would be much better that a text editor. And yes I have ;>read all the mailings, I just dont see what you can do with a 'text' editor ;>that a proper word processor could do just as well and do a lot more ;>besides. Wordprocessors tend to take time to load, and be overcomplicated for the samll tasks that text-editors do wonderfully. Personally I never use 'processors except when I have a project to do in which case I still write all my code in a text-editor and then bung it into word as a text-only file and pretty it up a bit for printing. I wouldn't dream of using Word to write my code it would just be horrible ..... Lee. How many Microsoft employees does it take to screw in a light bulb? None, they just make darkness the industry standard! From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 11:05:49 1996 X-Authentication-Warning: dcsun4.comp.brad.ac.uk: lwillis owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 10:59:06 +0000 (GMT) From: Lee Willis To: sam users Subject: Re: item 1A - SRAM board In-Reply-To: <199611242047.UAA00268@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 872 Lines: 26 On Sun, 24 Nov 1996, Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com wrote: ;>On Nov 24, 1996 16:14:31, 'Tim Wells ' wrote: ;> ;>>Was going to offer, but see others have already volunteered. Would have ;>>thought that a postscript file would be fairly distributable though. ;>> ;>>Tim W. ;>-- ;>Would be better to use any file format that Paint Shop Pro 3x will read, ;>that is the one that just about everyone will have, and EPS is not one of ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Hello? You're talking s...e again ??? Why do you insist on believing that everyone is well off, and has the same system as you. Everyone has _different_ set-ups so this was a silly comment to make ... Lee. How many Microsoft employees does it take to screw in a light bulb? None, they just make darkness the industry standard! From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 11:05:50 1996 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <5970.199611251100@lupin.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Ascii (last message?!) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 11:00:14 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 242 Lines: 6 There /is/ an 8-bit ascii, but it's called extended ascii and is not standard. 7-bit ascii is standard, and is what I thought the Sam adhered to. We're going off topic here - any replies should be via personal e-mail, or they'll be ignored. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 11:05:50 1996 X-Authentication-Warning: dcsun4.comp.brad.ac.uk: lwillis owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 11:02:08 +0000 (GMT) From: Lee Willis To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Samson text editor (was Re: SAMSON: bundled software) In-Reply-To: <9611251040.AA02473@asmal.edh-net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 480 Lines: 22 On Mon, 25 Nov 1996, Frode Tenneboe wrote: ;>> For example, lets say you have the files ;>> ;>> this_is_a_program.adb ;>> this_is_a_program.ads ;>> this_is_a_program.o ;>> this_is_a_program.ali ;>> this_is_a_program ;> ;>Ohmygod....another gnatter.... ;> Yep and do you just love the HUGE size of compiled Ada code ... :) Lee. How many Microsoft employees does it take to screw in a light bulb? None, they just make darkness the industry standard! From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 11:12:39 1996 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 12:03:47 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9611251103.AA02484@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: How long a filename? X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 670 Lines: 14 > The context of this whole silly argument was to do with what characters we > should allow in filenames. On the SAM there is a character associated with > the byte 255, and therefore it could be used, and therefore DOES exist. Oh > and I think there's an 8-bit ascii anyway so it's not always 7 (Though I > confess it normally is ...) It always is. There is no such thing as an 8-bit ASCII - per definition. OK, there are applications which claim they are 8-bit ASCII, but that's bull. Whatever >127 is very platform specific and should not be used for files which one expects to be portable. On the SAM, the tokens 90H-FFH are commands, 255 being a prefix. -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 11:12:46 1996 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <6894.199611251105@lupin.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: IDE To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 11:05:30 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 283 Lines: 6 That's another thing I miss, the IDE for Pascal and C, etc. If we're going to have a C compiler for the Sam, can we please make it a decent one? ie with variable monitoring, trace mode, etc. Basically, make it like Borland C++ 3.1 and you're laughing ;) (or Borland Pascal 7). Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 11:12:46 1996 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 12:06:24 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9611251106.AA02491@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Samson text editor (was Re: SAMSON: bundled software) X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 410 Lines: 19 > On Mon, 25 Nov 1996, Frode Tenneboe wrote: > > ;>> For example, lets say you have the files > ;>> > ;>> this_is_a_program.adb > ;>> this_is_a_program.ads > ;>> this_is_a_program.o > ;>> this_is_a_program.ali > ;>> this_is_a_program > ;> > ;>Ohmygod....another gnatter.... > ;> > > Yep and do you just love the HUGE size of compiled Ada code ... :) I've hit the 11Mb mark...;) -Frode does not use -O6 From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 11:12:49 1996 Message-Id: <199611251101.MAA11867@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: item 1A - SRAM board Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 12:02:47 +0100 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 218 Lines: 14 > What is PS anyway? Or do you actually mean EPS? > > >-Frode > >> > -- > > Samsboss. PS= PostScript EPS= Encapsulated PostScript (also know as EPSF) Robert van der Veeke AKA RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 11:17:13 1996 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 11:11:06 +0000 (GMT) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@napier.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SOS text editor In-Reply-To: <199611242047.UAA00264@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1036 Lines: 21 On Sun, 24 Nov 1996 samsboss@uk.pipeline.com wrote: > Why? By that I mean why only the 'text' editor? A word proccessor, even a > fairly simple one, would be much better that a text editor. And yes I have > read all the mailings, I just dont see what you can do with a 'text' editor > that a proper word processor could do just as well and do a lot more > besides. Text editors tend to be smaller and faster than full-blown word processors. They don't need to worry about font changes and graphics... On my PC, I use Winedit coz it's has all those cool things like syntax colouring for writing code and Ami-Pro for writing documents.... -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Don't take life so seriously, | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | you'll never survive it! | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | - (C) CamLoRTS 1996 | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 11:24:41 1996 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 11:15:38 +0000 From: Dan Doore To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam Users List Again (Was: Re: Like a - Reply Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 116 Lines: 12 > > David Mundon davidm@enterprise.net > > Spelling is slightly wrong :) Whoops :) It has been changed. Dan. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 11:24:42 1996 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 12:19:52 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9611251119.AA02503@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: What's out there... X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 142 Lines: 5 I thought I should fork out for some new SAM products. What should I buy? What has Fred got? What is the status of the HD interface? -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 11:40:29 1996 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 11:34:11 +0000 From: Dan Doore To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: E-Tracker nightmares Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1366 Lines: 40 Ah! a new thread at last :) As you may or may not known, I'm currently messing about with Sam C, trying to get it to do two scrollys that run in one frame with an E-tracker tune as well. Thanks to the suggestions from you lot as regards frame times, it seems that I have approx. 1/3rd of a frame left after all the scrolly bits are done. But... I'm having to use the BASIC-poked interrupt driver that came with E-Tracker to play the music and this seems to take *loads* of time and causes my scrollys to go jerky when a pattern break occurs or when I load an even slightly exciting tune - I want to use one of Sean Bernard's but it takes too long :(. I imagine a solution would be to sack off the interrupt routine and call the tracker player from my code, but having no real MC knowledge, I can't really do this. What I *think* needs to be done with a player would be the following: Have code segment at 16384 that gets called every frame (at some point). Said code segment then pages in the page with the tracker tune and player in it. Calls player code. Pages it out. Goes back. Is this even close to being a solution, cos if so I might have a trawl through the MC Tutorials of FRED in case I can learn something. Failing that, somebody could just tell me and I'll bang it into an assembler... :) :) :) Three guesses which one I'm after... Dan. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 11:43:51 1996 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 11:37:59 GMT Message-Id: <199611251137.LAA23720@pipe1.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: item 1A - SRAM board From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) Cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Pipeuser: samsboss X-Pipehub: uk.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 590 Lines: 15 On Nov 25, 1996 10:31:14, 'Simon Cooke ' wrote: >It's postscript, as opposed to EPS (Encapsulated Postscript). You know, the >kind of stuff you can just send straight to a printer -- Unlike EPS. -- Yes but EPS is a /standard/ file type which a lot of packages (commercial and shareware) understand. I have never seen anything with a file type of .PS and I've just gone through EVERY program on both my hard drive and the back-up tapes I keep those 'I may use um one day' programs. Make it WMF if poss, it is the best for this sort of thing. Samsboss. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 11:43:52 1996 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 11:39:04 +0000 (GMT) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@napier.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: SAM users list Subject: 51 FPC Error, ARGH!!!! Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1495 Lines: 36 Ok... This is it.. I'm getting really fed up with my SAM's floating point non-calculator... *sigh* Right then... I've been assuming too much about the SAM... I assumed incorrectly that the NMI was debounced.. That the disk drive were safe.. That the SAM didn't have more hardware bugs than microsoft software bugs... :) So.. I may have assumed that the coding of the FPC was nicely done... How EXACTLY does it work? I assumed this: 256 * 6435 = ? 1) Put 256 on FPC stack (call jstkstore) 2) put 6435 on FPC stack 3) RST 28h 4) DB. fpc_mult (01h?) 5) FPC removes 256 and 6435 from the FPC stack and sticks the answer on the FPC stack. 6) DB. fpc_exit (33h) 7) get the answer from the stack (call jstkfetch) Am I assuming rightly that the FPC removers the operands from the stack after it uses them in mult/div/add/subtract operation? Or does it keep the operands and just puts the answer on top? If that's the case that no wonder I keep getting 51 FPC error.. Then again, I keep playing with the stack and can't seem to manually get that error - Dividing by zero produces Number too large... -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Don't take life so seriously, | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | you'll never survive it! | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | - (C) CamLoRTS 1996 | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 11:54:18 1996 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 12:44:47 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9611251144.AA02558@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: item 1A - SRAM board X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 117 Lines: 5 > Make it WMF if poss, it is the best for this sort of thing. Not as it's platform, and OS (?), specific. -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 11:54:29 1996 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 11:43:40 +0000 (GMT) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@napier.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: E-Tracker + frames In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 777 Lines: 18 On Mon, 25 Nov 1996, Dan Doore wrote: > Three guesses which one I'm after... The trawling through Fred one? :) Off on a tangent - How much CAN you get done in a TV frame? Approx how many instructions on average? I'm hoping to get lots of colourful markers saying which note is being plaed on which chennel in my SMIDIP program.. (Assuming I can get my friggin FPC code working!) -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Don't take life so seriously, | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | you'll never survive it! | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | - (C) CamLoRTS 1996 | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 11:55:09 1996 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 11:46:31 +0000 (GMT) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@napier.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: item 1A - SRAM board In-Reply-To: <199611251137.LAA23720@pipe1.uk.pipeline.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 946 Lines: 22 On Mon, 25 Nov 1996 samsboss@uk.pipeline.com wrote: > Yes but EPS is a /standard/ file type which a lot of packages (commercial > and shareware) understand. I have never seen anything with a file type of > .PS and I've just gone through EVERY program on both my hard drive and the > back-up tapes I keep those 'I may use um one day' programs. PS is used a lot in Unix and scientific areas (which use Unix a lot!) > Make it WMF if poss, it is the best for this sort of thing. Urgh.... Might aswell make it a BLITZ$ string.. It's the same thing! -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Don't take life so seriously, | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | you'll never survive it! | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | - (C) CamLoRTS 1996 | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 11:55:31 1996 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19961125114943.0097f0a8@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 11:49:43 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: item 1A - SRAM board Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 543 Lines: 13 At 11:37 AM 11/25/96 GMT, you wrote: >Yes but EPS is a /standard/ file type which a lot of packages (commercial >and shareware) understand. I have never seen anything with a file type of >.PS and I've just gone through EVERY program on both my hard drive and the >back-up tapes I keep those 'I may use um one day' programs. > >Make it WMF if poss, it is the best for this sort of thing. Nope, it's the best for this sort of thing if you're using Windoze. If you're on any other machine in the universe, Postscript is the standard. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 12:15:27 1996 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 12:58:14 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9611251158.AA02567@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: 51 FPC Error, ARGH!!!! X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1349 Lines: 54 > So.. I may have assumed that the coding of the FPC was nicely done... How > EXACTLY does it work? > > I assumed this: 256 * 6435 = ? > > 1) Put 256 on FPC stack (call jstkstore) > 2) put 6435 on FPC stack You have the right order? A B C D E 256 = 0, 0, 0, 1, 0 6435 = 0, 0, 35, 25, 0 > 3) RST 28h > 4) DB. fpc_mult (01h?) > 5) FPC removes 256 and 6435 from the FPC stack and sticks the answer > on the FPC stack. > 6) DB. fpc_exit (33h) RST 28 DB 0H ;MULT DB 33H ;EXIT > 7) get the answer from the stack (call jstkfetch) Jupp. > > Am I assuming rightly that the FPC removers the operands from the stack after > it uses them in mult/div/add/subtract operation? It does. > > Or does it keep the operands and just puts the answer on top? If that's the > case that no wonder I keep getting 51 FPC error.. Then again, I keep playing > with the stack and can't seem to manually get that error - Dividing by zero > produces Number too large... The problem, as far as I remember, is that you are multiplying two numbers on integer form where the result is >65535. Try doing a RST 28 DB 31H ;RESTACK DB 0H ;MULT DB 33H ;EXIT after you have stacked the numbers. If that does not work, try doing a RESTACK on both numbers, ie. stac the first, restack it, stack the second, restack it, multiply and then reset. -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 12:15:28 1996 From: Gavin Smith Organization: University of Ulster To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 12:02:02 GMT Subject: Re: What's out there... Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-Id: <19374AB4FB7@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 582 Lines: 16 > I thought I should fork out for some new SAM products. > What should I buy? What has Fred got? What is the status of the > HD interface? > > -Frode I was thinking of getting some new SAM stuff myself! I've got a nice little 200 quid to spend on it. I figured I would buy the two new Fred games, a subscription to the brilliant Blitz, Ice Chicken from Persona (to relive childhood memories of Pengi on the Acorn Electron), an upgrade to my old SC_Word Pro disk, an advance order for the SAM_Clock and possibly even the HD interface. Any other ideas anyone? Gavin Smith From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 12:43:08 1996 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 12:14:07 +0000 From: Dan Doore To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Up two, three, four. Keep it up! Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 551 Lines: 31 Is the Two-Up actually two-up, or one-up & and one across?? E.G. Two sockets going up. ___ |_ || || SAM | =######## ------ or One up, one across ___ |_ || SAM | =########= ------ (not the best ASCII representation, but it'll do...) If it's the latter then I regretfully cannot purchase since my desk space is limited and I can't cope with having a computer as long as a Dragon 32 :)) Also... Where can I get a Meg from, or if they're not availiable can I pay (yes, that's hard currency folks) somebody to make me one. Dan. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 12:43:09 1996 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 12:36:15 +0000 (GMT) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@fermat.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: 51 FPC Error, ARGH!!!! In-Reply-To: <9611251158.AA02567@asmal.edh-net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1013 Lines: 31 On Mon, 25 Nov 1996, Frode Tenneboe wrote: > You have the right order? > > A B C D E > 256 = 0, 0, 0, 1, 0 > 6435 = 0, 0, 35, 25, 0 I thought it was in the order of AEDCB... > RST 28 28 as in decimal? I thought it was 28 hex! > The problem, as far as I remember, is that you are multiplying two > numbers on integer form where the result is >65535. Try doing a A-ha... Could be the problem.. Another question: Does the commands for MOD and IDIV work with a number such as 65536 (91h, 00, 00, 00, 00 (AEDCB) in FPC-land)? I'm using these to convert to and from 32bit (BCDE) integer numbers.. -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Don't take life so seriously, | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | you'll never survive it! | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | - (C) CamLoRTS 1996 | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 12:43:22 1996 From: JohnnaPig Teare Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 12:19:54 GMT+0 Subject: Re: SOS text editor Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-Id: Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 863 Lines: 23 > On Nov 23, 1996 19:05:51, 'Stephen Harding ' wrote: > > > > >The text editor must be ready for the release date and must be bundled > >with the machine. Let's make it a good (multipurpose) one! > > > >Numb. > -- > Why? By that I mean why only the 'text' editor? A word proccessor, even a > fairly simple one, would be much better that a text editor. And yes I have > read all the mailings, I just dont see what you can do with a 'text' editor > that a proper word processor could do just as well and do a lot more > besides. > > Samsboss. > Oh heck, I'm starting to agree with him/her/it/that! We really could do witha decent wysiwyg wordprocessor bundled with the machine - even in cutdown form ready for immediate upgrade. Johnna Pig Teare (j.d.teare@uclan.ac.uk) "Mab is the Queen and there's a good apothecary man!" From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 12:43:22 1996 From: James R Curry Organization: De Montfort University To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 12:41:44 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: SNA-RUNner: IFF2 - Reply - Reply Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-Id: <28BB06D0161@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 291 Lines: 9 > ;>What happened to the rule the you NEVER EVER press Reset/Power-off with the > ;>disk in the machine? It was something I learned from my Speccy/Wafadrive days.. > > Disk protectors are for when you forget .... Disk protectors are for those too lazy to always take the disk out... ;) From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 12:49:11 1996 X-Authentication-Warning: dcsun4.comp.brad.ac.uk: lwillis owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 12:43:41 +0000 (GMT) From: Lee Willis To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: E-Tracker nightmares In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1364 Lines: 45 On Mon, 25 Nov 1996, Dan Doore wrote: ;>Ah! a new thread at last :) Yippee! ;>that I have approx. 1/3rd of a frame left after all the scrolly bits are ;>done. This may not be enough. E-Tracker tunes take horrendous amounts of time to play. I was going to write a compiler a while ago that took the original files and compiled them to a nice fast routine, but somehow I never got round to it, isn't that always the way ... Compile the E-Tracker Module and merge it (Using 32768 as the start address). Then load this into a spare page in memory. Then all you have to do is to stick the following code in ld a,page_number_of_tune out (251),a ( Presuming your code is in BLOCK A/B otherwise use 250!) call 32768 ( or 0 is your code's in A/B. ) at the start of your code to initilise the file. Then each frame you should do the following .... PUSH all_registers_you're_using ld a,page_number_of_tune out (251),a ( or 250 as above. ) call 32768 ( or 0 as above. ) POP all_registers_back_again. This may just be a copy of the interrupt routine given , I'm not sure but that should work. Don't think it'll make _much_ difference until someone writes a better compiler ... Hope this helps ... Lee. How many Microsoft employees does it take to screw in a light bulb? None, they just make darkness the industry standard! From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 12:49:23 1996 From: James R Curry Organization: De Montfort University To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 12:46:50 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: SCREEN$ to PPM? - Reply Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-Id: <28BC6AA415A@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 580 Lines: 16 > > I found a couple of lovely screens that I want to > > stick on my Web pages when I was going through some old disks... :) > > You could always use Sam->BMP by Paul Crompton from one of the FRED > discs, that works fine and then use something to convert it over to > GIF/JPEG/PPM or whatever. > > Dan. Or use the James Curry, Very-long-way-around-o-system... Use KE_DISK to convert it to an ST SCREEN and then use a program on the ST to convert it to a GIF... -- James R Curry hc95jc@dmu.ac.uk "20 Dollars! Aw, I wanted a peanut.." - Homer Simpson, the Simpsons. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 12:56:00 1996 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 12:48:30 +0000 (GMT) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@fermat.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: item 1A - SRAM board In-Reply-To: <199611231136_MC1-C5F-5435@compuserve.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 640 Lines: 16 On Sat, 23 Nov 1996, Neville Young wrote: > Now who's going to check the schematic over, > and what format should I use to put it here? Anything my PC can handle.. :) I'd like to have a look at it just to see how you add the extra ram/rom... -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Don't take life so seriously, | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | you'll never survive it! | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | - (C) CamLoRTS 1996 | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 12:56:00 1996 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 12:51:12 +0000 (GMT) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@fermat.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SCREEN$ to PPM? - Reply In-Reply-To: <28BC6AA415A@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 705 Lines: 16 On Mon, 25 Nov 1996, James R Curry wrote: > Or use the James Curry, Very-long-way-around-o-system... Use KE_DISK > to convert it to an ST SCREEN and then use a program on the ST to > convert it to a GIF... I don't want to have to buy an ST *just* so I could stick a couple of piccies on my web pages! :) -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Don't take life so seriously, | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | you'll never survive it! | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | - (C) CamLoRTS 1996 | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 12:56:01 1996 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 13:49:15 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9611251249.AA02648@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: 51 FPC Error, ARGH!!!! X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 794 Lines: 33 > > You have the right order? > > > > A B C D E > > 256 = 0, 0, 0, 1, 0 > > 6435 = 0, 0, 35, 25, 0 > > I thought it was in the order of AEDCB... Wops. You are (probably) right - can't remember now. > > > RST 28 > > 28 as in decimal? I thought it was 28 hex! Typo - that's hex. > > > The problem, as far as I remember, is that you are multiplying two > > numbers on integer form where the result is >65535. Try doing a > > A-ha... Could be the problem.. > > Another question: Does the commands for MOD and IDIV work with a number such as > 65536 (91h, 00, 00, 00, 00 (AEDCB) in FPC-land)? I'm using these to convert to > and from 32bit (BCDE) integer numbers.. Um...weell, why shouldn't they? But shouldn't it be 65536 = 90H, ...? I tend to forgett.... -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 13:01:12 1996 From: James R Curry Organization: De Montfort University To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 13:02:44 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: SOS GUI booting of CLI programs Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-Id: <28C09E96251@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 432 Lines: 14 > > On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 08:40:01 +0100, Frode Tenneboe said: > > > Wot? No file-numbers - like..in a header. > > > > OK, but magic numbers like in Unix are allowed? > > Yes - hey, why don't we just port .....Linux? ;) Hey.. Then we can run XCoupe on a SAMSon.. It'll almost be emulating itself.. (or something.) -- James R Curry hc95jc@dmu.ac.uk "20 Dollars! Aw, I wanted a peanut.." - Homer Simpson, the Simpsons. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 13:01:25 1996 From: JohnnaPig Teare Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 12:40:38 GMT+0 Subject: Re: Loading, Please wait... Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-Id: Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2173 Lines: 66 > On Fri, 22 Nov 1996 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > > ;>In a message dated 22/11/96 17:12:24, you write: > ;> > ;>>On Fri, 22 Nov 1996 00:03:18 +0000 (GMT), Andrew M Gale said: > ;>>> I really like the auto filename fill in on UNIX > ;>> > ;>>Yes it can be useful (in a shell, not a text editor) but remember that > ;>>every time you do this it reads in a copy of the directory to find out > ;>>what the possible completions are. This would only be useful on a hard > ;>>disk (providing it's fast enough). > ;> > ;>But the command LOAD "PRO*" would give the same effect, provided the ROM > ;>looked at the list of files, found the first match and the said "Do you want > ;>to load 'PROGRAM' ?" > ;>That should be an easy thing to do, just branch of it the * is detected, if > ;>you say no to a file then it go back and get the next match and ask again. > ;> > ;>Bob. > ;> MasterDOS and MasterBASIC do the same kind of thing when you batch copy a load of files, asking you (y/n/a/e) meaning you can say yes to that file, no, all the rest or exit. i find it quite useful - although I usualy DIR and load files by file number unless I'm allocating code to a specific part of memory. But then I'm really lazy. > Sorry Bob, but I don't like this at all, though I s'pose it could be > included. The way Unix works this is to complete as much as it can of the > filename and then stops again to accept more input. > > For example, lets say you have the files > > this_is_a_program.adb > this_is_a_program.ads > this_is_a_program.o > this_is_a_program.ali > this_is_a_program > > and you type .... > > this[TAB] > > the CLI should fill it out to this_is_a_program and then will allow you to > fill in the filename as you want ... > > I think this is much nicer though I s'pose both methods could be included > .. Well, that sounds pretty handy too...go for both - user cinfigurable on setup. > > Lee. > > > How many Microsoft employees does it take to screw in a light bulb? > None, they just make darkness the industry standard! > > > Johnna Pig Teare (j.d.teare@uclan.ac.uk) "Mab is the Queen and there's a good apothecary man!" From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 13:01:59 1996 From: JohnnaPig Teare Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 12:43:27 GMT+0 Subject: Re: SOS text editor Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-Id: Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 824 Lines: 20 > Wordprocessors tend to take time to load, and be overcomplicated for the > samll tasks that text-editors do wonderfully. Personally I never use > 'processors except when I have a project to do in which case I still write > all my code in a text-editor and then bung it into word as a text-only > file and pretty it up a bit for printing. I wouldn't dream of using Word > to write my code it would just be horrible ..... But not everybody who buys a SAMSon is going to be a coder are they? Thing of the whole picture and I think you'll find that most people (coder included here) will require a Word Processor at some time or other - can the same be said of a text editor. And why on earth can' we have both? > Lee. > Johnna Pig Teare (j.d.teare@uclan.ac.uk) "Mab is the Queen and there's a good apothecary man!" From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 13:02:09 1996 From: JohnnaPig Teare Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 12:47:06 GMT+0 Subject: Re: E-Tracker nightmares Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-Id: Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 489 Lines: 17 > Is this even close to being a solution, cos if so I might have a trawl through the > MC Tutorials of FRED in case I can learn something. > > Failing that, somebody could just tell me and I'll bang it into an assembler... > Don't know much about htings this way inclined but I can point you to a fast Etune player featured on Fred a while back. Might solve the problem... > Dan. > > Johnna Pig Teare (j.d.teare@uclan.ac.uk) "Mab is the Queen and there's a good apothecary man!" From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 13:12:57 1996 From: Stephen Harding Message-Id: <199611251259.MAA10850@BITS.bris.ac.uk> Subject: SOS intelegent screen modes To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no (sam users) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 12:59:04 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2954 Lines: 62 With the current 'card design, what sort of range of screen modes will be possible? I am not thinking about the resolution/number of colours dort of range, but the variation in the different memory arrangements of the screen that the hardware will be able to surport. We we be able to have lots of pixel map modes where, say each byte contains all of the colour information about 1 or 2 pixels (As they are nice, fun and simple!) AND bitmaps where all of the information about each colour is stored in different bits stored in seperate planes (as it is apparently good for limited colour scrolling, and allows greater variety of colour resolutions) The key word there was AND, will it be possible for the hardware to support both? If this is the case then are some more interesting arrangements also possible? Here are some possibilities... a, A nice SAM emulator mode, the middle of the screen is stored either within the old SAM (for perfect emulaton) or on the 'card (for converted SAM stuff) and there is also a section of 'card memory used to store a parts of the image that, when displayed, will surround the SAM screen, by filling up the border area; b, A anti-alizing (never can spell or say that word!) mode. The current SAM screen resolution will look absolutely rubbish on a decent monitor! It does not look too bad on a TV as the modulator/demodulator and inaccurate circuitary automaticaly anti-alizes (spell wrongly again!) and smooths the immage by accident as most of us know. Would it be possible to have a screen mode with the old resolution (and a variety of colour resolutions) that automaticaly (by hardware) generates new pixels between each pixel using the actual colours of the surrounding 8 pixels to give the new pixel a colour inbetween, perhaps chosen from 1.6mill colour levels. The generated pixels need not be stored in memory but generated as they are required to be sent to the display. The advantages of such a (harware) mode would be great, we could write some very fast software that only needs to alter what would amount to a 25% of the screen and the hardware could fill in the gaps! Fast games with no blocky graphics. Vector graphics that require just as much processing power as thoes on the SAM today yet give brilliantly smooth edges, even on a top quality monitor. A sprites edge would automaticaly be smoothed next to the bachground with no sharp pixilated edges! If this is not possible by hardware, this idea (b) may well be worth implementing in ARM software. A 'virtual mode' which when told to plot a pixel etc. it would double the scales involved, sent the pixel to this position and then re-generate the 8 'tween pixels around it; Hardware mode would be by FAR THE BEST solution. c, A mode simmilar the the SNES'es ground tilting mode; d, A polar co-ordinate mode. I don't surpose these are possible, but if the circuits could be twised to give any interesting functunality... Numb. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 13:13:07 1996 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 13:05:00 +0000 (GMT) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@fermat.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: 51 FPC Error, ARGH!!!! In-Reply-To: <9611251249.AA02648@asmal.edh-net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1076 Lines: 30 On Mon, 25 Nov 1996, Frode Tenneboe wrote: > Um...weell, why shouldn't they? But shouldn't it be 65536 = 90H, ...? I > tend to forgett.... I did a: jstkstore 00,00,ffh,ffh,00 rst 28h fpc_stkone (The one that puts 1 in a 5 byte form on the stack) fpc_add fpc_exit jstkfetch little routine to stick the registers into memory and did a PRINT HEX$(PEEK whatever) to get the 91h.. Never mind.. Something is going wrong! (My gut feeling is telling me that the error is because, as you say, it's doing an integer operation with an answer greater than 65535...) And how comes there is no rounding function instead of just a trunc? I'd rather 9.9 equalled 10 than 9... -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Don't take life so seriously, | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | you'll never survive it! | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | - (C) CamLoRTS 1996 | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 13:13:31 1996 X-Authentication-Warning: dcsun4.comp.brad.ac.uk: lwillis owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 13:04:15 +0000 (GMT) From: Lee Willis To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: E-Tracker nightmares In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 988 Lines: 29 On Mon, 25 Nov 1996, JohnnaPig Teare wrote: ;> ;>> Is this even close to being a solution, cos if so I might have a trawl through the ;>> MC Tutorials of FRED in case I can learn something. ;>> ;>> Failing that, somebody could just tell me and I'll bang it into an assembler... ;>> ;>Don't know much about htings this way inclined but I can point you to ;>a fast Etune player featured on Fred a while back. Might solve the ;>problem... ;> ;>Johnna Pig Teare (j.d.teare@uclan.ac.uk) ;>"Mab is the Queen and there's a good apothecary man!" ;> This player didn't handle all of E-Trackers capabilities from what I remember, that's why I tried to write my own but never got round to finishing it. It _might_ be OK, but if you tune does anything beyond playing notes normally I don't think it'll be any good [Go on, prove me wrong!] Lee. How many Microsoft employees does it take to screw in a light bulb? None, they just make darkness the industry standard! From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 13:15:40 1996 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 13:11:20 +0000 (GMT) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@fermat.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SOS GUI booting of CLI programs In-Reply-To: <28C09E96251@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1295 Lines: 31 On Mon, 25 Nov 1996, James R Curry wrote: > > > > On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 08:40:01 +0100, Frode Tenneboe said: > > > > Wot? No file-numbers - like..in a header. > > > > > > OK, but magic numbers like in Unix are allowed? > > > > Yes - hey, why don't we just port .....Linux? ;) Has anyone seen how X-Windows really works? I mean, the SAM hasn't even got a decent windowing system... Never mind such a thing that would read and write commands to other computers telling THEM what windows needs displaying! :) I'd love to connect my SAM up to the Uni network and run things like SunNet manager and SNNS (Something neuro network simulator) on my SAM while it's really running on a Unix host! :) Hey, it'll save on trying to get the SAM needing to run the software! :) > Hey.. Then we can run XCoupe on a SAMSon.. It'll almost be > emulating itself.. (or something.) Now that's an idea..... :) -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Don't take life so seriously, | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | you'll never survive it! | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | - (C) CamLoRTS 1996 | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 13:22:27 1996 From: JohnnaPig Teare Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 12:12:43 GMT+0 Subject: Re: What's out there... Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-Id: Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 791 Lines: 22 > > I thought I should fork out for some new SAM products. > > What should I buy? What has Fred got? What is the status of the > > HD interface? > > > > -Frode > > I was thinking of getting some new SAM stuff myself! I've got a nice > little 200 quid to spend on it. I figured I would buy the two new > Fred games, a subscription to the brilliant Blitz, Ice Chicken from > Persona (to relive childhood memories of Pengi on the Acorn > Electron), an upgrade to my old SC_Word Pro disk, an advance order > for the SAM_Clock and possibly even the HD interface. Any other ideas > anyone? > > Gavin Smith > All the back issues of SAM2SAM - essential for any *real* SAM owner. Ha ha ha. Johnna Pig Teare (j.d.teare@uclan.ac.uk) "Mab is the Queen and there's a good apothecary man!" From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 13:22:28 1996 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 14:15:24 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9611251315.AA02706@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: 51 FPC Error, ARGH!!!! X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 652 Lines: 25 > jstkstore 00,00,ffh,ffh,00 > rst 28h > fpc_stkone (The one that puts 1 in a 5 byte form on the stack) > fpc_add > fpc_exit > jstkfetch > little routine to stick the registers into memory and did a PRINT HEX$(PEEK > whatever) to get the 91h.. > > Never mind.. Something is going wrong! (My gut feeling is telling me that the > error is because, as you say, it's doing an integer operation with an answer > greater than 65535...) It's probably correct then. :) > > And how comes there is no rounding function instead of just a trunc? I'd rather > 9.9 equalled 10 than 9... The function for that is: fpc_stkhalf fpc_trunc -Frode :) From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 13:22:30 1996 From: Stephen Harding Message-Id: <199611251311.NAA10871@BITS.bris.ac.uk> Subject: Re: SCREEN$ to PPM? - Reply To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no (sam users) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 13:11:37 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1288 Lines: 35 > > > I found a couple of lovely screens that I want to > > > stick on my Web pages when I was going through some old disks... :) > > > > You could always use Sam->BMP by Paul Crompton from one of the FRED > > discs, that works fine and then use something to convert it over to > > GIF/JPEG/PPM or whatever. > > > > Dan. > Or use the James Curry, Very-long-way-around-o-system... Use KE_DISK > to convert it to an ST SCREEN and then use a program on the ST to > convert it to a GIF... > -- > James R Curry hc95jc@dmu.ac.uk > That's what I did! Trouble is that SAM->ST gives you a horrible black border on the right and bottom of the image, as the STs resolution is a tad too big, you will have to trim it (I didn't bother!). If at all possible use PaintShop Pro. at the PC end to do the conversion, it is just about the only 'useful' TRC compatable program in the entire universe. You may even use it more than once in your lifetime. Like (aparently) just about every other SAM owner on the list I wrote my own PPM->SAM converter, but it is a mess and requres fiddling with everytime I want to use it. Lets PROVE that we can do something productive together on this list and get one decent PC format (preferably GIF) -> SAM converter written and stick it on nvg! Numb. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 13:25:44 1996 From: James R Curry Organization: De Montfort University To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 13:26:41 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Obey the golden rule for disc safety. Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-Id: <28C6FA57A60@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 598 Lines: 19 > > Why not? > > > > Well, if a power glitch could corrupt a disc, then the longer the > disc is in the drive, the more chance it has of being hit... > Also, leave it in a long time and you could easily forget it's > there! > Which reminds me, of something I've probably mentioned before.. The time when my Dyzonium disk managed to make it's way into my empty disk drive slot on the right hand side and get wedged under a circuit board... It took MONTHS to find that disk.. :) -- James R Curry hc95jc@dmu.ac.uk "20 Dollars! Aw, I wanted a peanut.." - Homer Simpson, the Simpsons. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 13:28:08 1996 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 13:24:32 +0000 (GMT) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@fermat.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: 51 FPC Error, ARGH!!!! In-Reply-To: <9611251315.AA02706@asmal.edh-net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 760 Lines: 23 On Mon, 25 Nov 1996, Frode Tenneboe wrote: > > And how comes there is no rounding function instead of just a trunc? I'd rather > > 9.9 equalled 10 than 9... > > The function for that is: > > fpc_stkhalf fpc_add, here? ;) > fpc_trunc A-ha... I don't have any excuse not to get perfectly sounding midi files now... Damn.. What excuse can I come up with now? :) -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Don't take life so seriously, | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | you'll never survive it! | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | - (C) CamLoRTS 1996 | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 14:16:16 1996 From: James R Curry Organization: De Montfort University To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 13:50:40 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Archives Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-Id: <28CD63A0418@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 447 Lines: 16 > On Nov 22, 1996 19:54:27, 'Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk' wrote: > > > >Congratulations, we made it into 7 digits at the beginning of November... > > > >imc > -- > Hells bells, didn't we do well. Okay, now everybody foward 12 copies of this message back to the mailing list each day, and I'm sure we can make 8, this week.. -- James R Curry hc95jc@dmu.ac.uk "20 Dollars! Aw, I wanted a peanut.." - Homer Simpson, the Simpsons. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 14:18:19 1996 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 13:29:21 +0000 (GMT) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@fermat.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Obey the golden rule for disc safety. In-Reply-To: <28C6FA57A60@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 770 Lines: 16 On Mon, 25 Nov 1996, James R Curry wrote: > Which reminds me, of something I've probably mentioned before.. The > time when my Dyzonium disk managed to make it's way into my empty > disk drive slot on the right hand side and get wedged under a circuit > board... It took MONTHS to find that disk.. :) Do I really want to know HOW you managed to do that? Ermmm... :L) -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Don't take life so seriously, | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | you'll never survive it! | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | - (C) CamLoRTS 1996 | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 14:18:55 1996 From: JohnnaPig Teare Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 13:28:37 GMT+0 Subject: Re: 51 FPC Error, ARGH!!!! Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-Id: Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 558 Lines: 20 Hello, > I did a: > > jstkstore 00,00,ffh,ffh,00 > rst 28h > fpc_stkone (The one that puts 1 in a 5 byte form on the stack) Well, I did a: Step to the left, a step to the right, left right left right shake it all about, I did the hokey kokey and I turned around. And that was what it was all about. (Flapping, because he doesn't understand all these techy terms...!) > |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Don't take life so seriously, | Johnna Pig Teare (j.d.teare@uclan.ac.uk) "Mab is the Queen and there's a good apothecary man!" From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 14:19:12 1996 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 13:42:17 +0000 (GMT) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@fermat.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SOS: Sensible FAT - Reply In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19961122135830.008eb76c@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 623 Lines: 14 On Fri, 22 Nov 1996, Simon Cooke wrote: > I'm a Microsoft Certified Professional!!! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ And to think that I actually idolised you when I was reading your pages in Your Sinclair... *sigh* :P -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Don't take life so seriously, | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | you'll never survive it! | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | - (C) CamLoRTS 1996 | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 14:40:57 1996 From: Stephen Harding Message-Id: <199611251406.OAA11373@BITS.bris.ac.uk> Subject: SOS text editor To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no (sam users) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 14:06:39 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2770 Lines: 70 > > > The text editor must be ready for the release date and must be > > > bundled with the machine. Let's make it a good (multipurpose) one! > > > Numb. > > Why? By that I mean why only the 'text' editor? A word proccessor, > > even a fairly simple one, would be much better that a text editor. > > And yes I have read all the mailings, I just don't see what you can do > > with a 'text' editor that a proper word processor could do just as > > well and do a lot more besides. > > Samsboss. > Oh heck, I'm starting to agree with him/her/it/that! We really could > do witha decent wysiwyg wordprocessor bundled with the machine - even > in cutdown form ready for immediate upgrade. > Johnna Pig Teare Fine, you like wordprocessors. I can not say that I do. I will try not to repeat myself too much. A Good wordprocessor will be available for the releasedate if we all work together. Great, lets give a cut down version of it away with the machine. Put an initial software order section on our mailorder coupons, so people can order exactly what they want to recieve with their machine, e.g. tick as appropriate. [ ] SOS'processor XX.XX [ ] SOSspread XX.XX [ ] SOSwwwWorld XX.XX [ ] SOSpaint XX.XX [ ] SOSCAD XX.XX [ ] SOSadvancedC XX.XX with extra librarys and a colourCplugin for SOStextEdit and give... SOSBasicCLI SOSGUI SOSTerminalStuff SOSflashEquivilant with 'I-can-read-lots-of-alien-pic-formats' filters SOSTextEditor with 'I-can-read-lots-of-alien-text-formats' filters SOSdecompress to decompress lots of alien compression formats SOSi/oPortManipulator for Hardware dudes SOScutDown'processor functioning cutdown version with proportional font SOSc ensure it is great at optinisation and has ARM and Z380 sets ofstandard libs. 2,3 or 4 SAMSON game demos. We can of course, include any one of the 'buy-me' software products in the main price of the adverts depending on where we put them, e.g. selling it as a www machine by including the viewer in the highstreet price, and still putting the other items on the coupon. etc. I don't think that giving cutdown verions of things should go to the extent of stopping you from saving what you produce. We need 'playable demos of the software'! Do you think it should be divided differently? Thoes who are designing and writing will eventualy need to buy the more expensive versions of the hardware. We cannot complain too much about the costs (assuming they are still reasonable) as we will probably end up getting copies of most of the 'I-need-to-be-purchased' software that we write in conjunction, for next to nothing. And we will get a great headstart in writing our own applications/games aside from the main projects. Numb. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 14:40:57 1996 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19961125141836.008e4a60@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 14:18:36 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: SOS: Sensible FAT - Reply Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 335 Lines: 16 At 01:42 PM 11/25/96 +0000, you wrote: >Status: > >On Fri, 22 Nov 1996, Simon Cooke wrote: > >> I'm a Microsoft Certified Professional!!! > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >And to think that I actually idolised you when I was reading your pages in Your >Sinclair... *sigh* :P *laughs* Hey, it's only for the CV ;) Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 14:41:56 1996 From: JohnnaPig Teare Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 13:29:28 GMT+0 Subject: Re: SCREEN$ to PPM? - Reply Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-Id: Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 682 Lines: 17 Hello, > I don't want to have to buy an ST *just* so I could stick a couple of piccies > on my web pages! :) Why bother? Most disillusioned owners will *give* them away! :) > -- > ============================================================================= > |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Don't take life so seriously, | > |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | you'll never survive it! | > |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | - (C) CamLoRTS 1996 | > ============================================================================= > > Johnna Pig Teare (j.d.teare@uclan.ac.uk) "Mab is the Queen and there's a good apothecary man!" From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 14:41:56 1996 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19961125141731.008e1ae4@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 14:17:31 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: SCREEN$ to PPM? - Reply Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 212 Lines: 8 >Lets PROVE that we can do something productive together on this list and >get one decent PC format (preferably GIF) -> SAM converter written and >stick it on nvg! Do you want the source to mine so far? Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 14:57:29 1996 From: JohnnaPig Teare Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 13:51:45 GMT+0 Subject: Re: Obey the golden rule for disc safety. Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-Id: Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 758 Lines: 25 > > > > Why not? > > > > > > > Well, if a power glitch could corrupt a disc, then the longer the > > disc is in the drive, the more chance it has of being hit... > > Also, leave it in a long time and you could easily forget it's > > there! > > > > > Which reminds me, of something I've probably mentioned before.. The > time when my Dyzonium disk managed to make it's way into my empty > disk drive slot on the right hand side and get wedged under a circuit > board... It took MONTHS to find that disk.. :) Best place for it! :) > -- > James R Curry hc95jc@dmu.ac.uk > > "20 Dollars! Aw, I wanted a peanut.." - Homer Simpson, the Simpsons. > Johnna Pig Teare (j.d.teare@uclan.ac.uk) "Mab is the Queen and there's a good apothecary man!" From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 14:57:41 1996 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 14:33:01 +0000 From: Dan Doore To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: E-Tracker nightmares - Reply Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 679 Lines: 43 > ;>that I have approx. 1/3rd of a frame left after > all the scrolly bits are > ;>done. > This may not be enough. E-Tracker tunes take > horrendous amounts of time to play. Doh!! [codey bits snipped] So, if I understand correctly once I load my tracker tune at 65536, I should be able to do: void tracker_init() { #asm ld a,5 ;page for 65536?? out(251),a call 32768 #endasm } void tracker_play() { #asm ld a,5 out(251),a call 32772 ;I think, I'm sure it's not 32768 again #endasm } Where tracker_init gets called once and tracker_play once each frame. Looking at this, do I have to do additional things e.g. disable interrupts, put the pages back ?? Dan. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 14:57:53 1996 From: Stephen Harding Message-Id: <199611251423.OAA11448@BITS.bris.ac.uk> Subject: SOS magic TAB key To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no (sam users) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 14:23:25 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 671 Lines: 26 > For example, lets say you have the files > > this_is_a_program.adb > this_is_a_program.ads > this_is_a_program.o > this_is_a_program.ali > this_is_a_program > > and you type .... > > this[TAB] > > the CLI should fill it out to this_is_a_program and then will allow > you to fill in the filename as you want ... The trouble with the "I will only write as much as I can" method is how the user is surposed to know if the whole thing has been generated or only the first part. I assume you mean that if there is only one file and the whole thing has been generated there is an automatic enter. How about making a 'beep' if the OS requires you to type more. Numb. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 15:04:44 1996 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19961125150221.008ea0a0@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 15:02:21 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: SOS magic TAB key Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 429 Lines: 15 At 02:23 PM 11/25/96 +0000, you wrote: >The trouble with the "I will only write as much as I can" method is how >the user is surposed to know if the whole thing has been generated or only >the first part. > >I assume you mean that if there is only one file and the whole thing has >been generated there is an automatic enter. >How about making a 'beep' if the OS requires you to type more. That's what they do do... :) Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 15:27:43 1996 From: James R Curry Organization: De Montfort University To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 15:28:23 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: SAMPaint - The Next Generation Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-Id: <28E771E7B6B@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 387 Lines: 16 > On Fri, 22 Nov 1996, JohnnaPig Teare wrote: > > ;>After Lee's wonderful accelerator demo program, i thought I'd chip in > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Erm, wasn't mine .... > Correct. It was mine. Pah, you people forget so quickly.. . :) -- James R Curry hc95jc@dmu.ac.uk "20 Dollars! Aw, I wanted a peanut.." - Homer Simpson, the Simpsons. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 16:11:17 1996 From: James R Curry Organization: De Montfort University To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 16:09:28 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Bizzare SAM stories {WAS - Golden rule for disk safety} Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-Id: <28F26E33363@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1367 Lines: 36 > > Which reminds me, of something I've probably mentioned before.. The > > time when my Dyzonium disk managed to make it's way into my empty > > disk drive slot on the right hand side and get wedged under a circuit > > board... It took MONTHS to find that disk.. :) > > Do I really want to know HOW you managed to do that? Ermmm... :L) My right hand disk flappy thingy to cover up the hole has been missing for the last 5 years. (Hey, bob, are replacements available..?) Hmm.. If you like that story.. I once glued SYMBOL SHIFT down. Graham Goring and me managed to drop a TV set onto the SAM and snap of 7 keys. We also managed to bounce a basket ball on his blue alpha sound sampler while it was plugged in and playing a mod until it came out and the entire thing crashed. And I managed to headbutt the shelf the SAM was on from below.... A fairly high up shelf.. The SAM was switched on.. It took a quadruple backflip off the shelf, hit the floor *ON IT'S DISK DRIVE!!* the disk flew out, the thing bounced over one more time onto it's power button and switched itself off... Of course.. I needed a new disk drive after this. The old one did work still, just VERY SLOWLY! And my SAM *STILL* works.. Sturdy computers. -- James R Curry hc95jc@dmu.ac.uk "20 Dollars! Aw, I wanted a peanut.." - Homer Simpson, the Simpsons. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 16:11:41 1996 From: James R Curry Organization: De Montfort University To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 16:02:54 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: SCREEN$ to PPM? - Reply Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-Id: <28F0ADC75AA@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 943 Lines: 25 > > > > I found a couple of lovely screens that I want to > > > > stick on my Web pages when I was going through some old disks... :) > > > > > > You could always use Sam->BMP by Paul Crompton from one of the FRED > > > discs, that works fine and then use something to convert it over to > > > GIF/JPEG/PPM or whatever. > > > > > > Dan. > > > Or use the James Curry, Very-long-way-around-o-system... Use KE_DISK > > to convert it to an ST SCREEN and then use a program on the ST to > > convert it to a GIF... > > -- > > James R Curry hc95jc@dmu.ac.uk > > > That's what I did! > Trouble is that SAM->ST gives you a horrible black border on the right and > bottom of the image, as the STs resolution is a tad too big, you will have > to trim it (I didn't bother!). Ah, I had a program to do that bit really quickly.. :) -- James R Curry hc95jc@dmu.ac.uk "20 Dollars! Aw, I wanted a peanut.." - Homer Simpson, the Simpsons. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 16:12:19 1996 Message-Id: From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale) Subject: Re: SOS magic TAB key To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 15:58:49 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <199611251423.OAA11448@BITS.bris.ac.uk> from "Stephen Harding" at Nov 25, 96 02:23:25 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 280 Lines: 9 > The trouble with the "I will only write as much as I can" method is how > the user is surposed to know if the whole thing has been generated or only > the first part. > > How about making a 'beep' if the OS requires you to type more. > That's exactly what my machine does... From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 16:17:17 1996 From: James R Curry Organization: De Montfort University To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 16:12:13 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Atari ST's.. Any good? Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-Id: <28F326B26D4@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 643 Lines: 18 > Hello, > > > I don't want to have to buy an ST *just* so I could stick a couple of piccies > > on my web pages! :) > > Why bother? Most disillusioned owners will *give* them away! :) Actually, I find it to be a reliable computer.. It crashes less than the PC's here at uni, the hard drive is very useful for data storage, there are some decent programs available and you can play 'Frontier' on it. As well as 'Parasol Stars'. With the correct software you can cleverly display graphic images in LOADS of colours as well. -- James R Curry hc95jc@dmu.ac.uk "20 Dollars! Aw, I wanted a peanut.." - Homer Simpson, the Simpsons. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 16:17:37 1996 From: James R Curry Organization: De Montfort University To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 16:17:52 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Bizzare SAM stories {WAS - Golden rule for disk safety} Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-Id: <28F4A4119B1@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 351 Lines: 10 > Hmm.. If you like that story.. Missed one... My sam once, when switched on, kept reseting whenever nudged... I unplugged it, picked it up.. And my 256/512K upgrade chip fell out of the previously mentioned second disk drive slot.. -- James R Curry hc95jc@dmu.ac.uk "20 Dollars! Aw, I wanted a peanut.." - Homer Simpson, the Simpsons. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 16:20:50 1996 From: Gavin Smith Organization: University of Ulster To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 16:17:16 GMT Subject: Re: What's out there... Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-Id: <197B5D90D76@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 937 Lines: 27 > > > I thought I should fork out for some new SAM products. > > > What should I buy? What has Fred got? What is the status of the > > > HD interface? > > > > > > -Frode > > > > I was thinking of getting some new SAM stuff myself! I've got a nice > > little 200 quid to spend on it. I figured I would buy the two new > > Fred games, a subscription to the brilliant Blitz, Ice Chicken from > > Persona (to relive childhood memories of Pengi on the Acorn > > Electron), an upgrade to my old SC_Word Pro disk, an advance order > > for the SAM_Clock and possibly even the HD interface. Any other ideas > > anyone? > > > > Gavin Smith > > > All the back issues of SAM2SAM - essential for any *real* SAM owner. > > Ha ha ha. > > Johnna Pig Teare (j.d.teare@uclan.ac.uk) > "Mab is the Queen and there's a good apothecary man!" I already have most of them all! Well, some of them. Well, erm the odd one anyway. :) Gavin Smith From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 16:21:54 1996 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 16:14:12 +0000 (GMT) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@napier.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Programmers cheer In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 951 Lines: 32 On Mon, 25 Nov 1996, JohnnaPig Teare wrote: > Hello, > > > I did a: > > > > jstkstore 00,00,ffh,ffh,00 > > rst 28h > > fpc_stkone (The one that puts 1 in a 5 byte form on the stack) > > Well, I did a: > > Step to the left, a step to the right, left right left right shake it > all about, I did the hokey kokey and I turned around. And that was > what it was all about. I thought the programmers cheer was: Shift it to the left. Shift it to the right. Push in, Pop out. Byte, byte, byte! All the SAMson needs now is a few cheerleaders.. :) -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Don't take life so seriously, | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | you'll never survive it! | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | - (C) CamLoRTS 1996 | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 16:27:03 1996 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 16:18:59 +0000 From: Dan Doore To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Atari ST's.. Any good? - Reply Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 602 Lines: 22 [snip] > there are some decent programs available and you can play > Frontier' on it. As well as 'Parasol Stars'. I used to be what is known as a 'Badassmuthafukka' on Wizball :) It was a pain in the arse that you coundn't use two mice with it though, otherwise Lemmings II would have been a corker. > With the correct software you can cleverly display graphic > images in LOADS of colours as well. Erk! Let's not get into this again! :) The ST used to do some cool stuff, like play game music through the MIDI ports and things, but it was *never* as good as the Amiga Dan. From owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mon Nov 25 16:32:37 1996 From: James R Curry Organization: De Montfort University To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 16:30:49 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Atari ST's.. Any good? - Reply Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-Id: <28F8187755B@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 484 Lines: 14 > The ST used to do some cool stuff, like play game music through > the MIDI ports and things, but it was *never* as good as the Amiga > > I thought it had a faster processor... And better MIDI capabilities. Oh... But I musn't forget, the AMIGA had better GRAPHICS. And that of course, is what the quality of a machine was judged on at the time.. -- James R Curry hc95jc@dmu.ac.uk "20 Dollars! Aw, I wanted a peanut.." - Homer Simpson, the Simpsons.