From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Mar 1 14:11:32 1997 Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 14:08:38 +0000 (GMT) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@blue.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Concern For The SAM In-Reply-To: <33174528.572B@ndirect.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 913 Lines: 27 On Fri, 28 Feb 1997, Neville Young wrote: > Gavin Smith wrote: > > > > other computers or know how to do better on SAM - it was this kind of > > thing I was referring to when I said "love the SAM" (I wasn't talk > > about loving his little blue feet :) > > > Bu V gubhtug lbh zrag lbh unq lbhe qvfx fghpx va gur qvfx qevir. > > > Nev. What's the disk drive got to do with anything? Andrew +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Journalism is literature in a hurry | Andrew Collier, 1A NatSci | | | email asc25@hermes.cam.ac.uk | | -fortune | Selwyn College, Cambridge | +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Construction work in progress at http://brain.sel.cam.ac.uk/~asc25 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Mar 1 15:50:59 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <29296.199703011543@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Awk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 15:43:57 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <19970227151953Z49193-12132+1969@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> from "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" at Feb 27, 97 10:17:55 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 208 Lines: 10 > >I believe that a blank operator signifies concatination. > >tstring = tstring tstring1 Right again :) Thanks > good job samsboss didn't reply int it? Well - I'd have at least tried it. ;) Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Mar 1 15:51:07 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <29372.199703011545@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 15:45:01 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: from "James R Curry" at Feb 27, 97 03:42:37 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 240 Lines: 8 > Hmm.. Unless they're simply monitoring the phone network, and using > their own systems, etc to read the signals sent over this. In which case they'd need boosters all over the place, and line noise would become intolerable. :) Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Mar 1 15:51:07 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <29424.199703011546@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: SimCoupe at nvg To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 15:46:53 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: from "Andrew Collier" at Feb 28, 97 05:06:49 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 507 Lines: 17 > Well, yes, but the mail was talking about upgrading to Linux. There's Or downgrading, or sidegrading, depending on your point of view... :) > Anyway, why has no-one mentioned Windows NT yet? :) Because it eats resources like there's no tomorrow? > And yes Paul, I suppose instead I shouln't have said "any PC", make that > "any PC with a spec. more up to date than asc25.sel" (Why do you think my Possibly. Still bugs me when people assume things about the level of your hardware, though. Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Mar 1 20:05:25 1997 Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 19:52:30 GMT Message-Id: <199703011952.TAA00824@pipe1.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Concern For The SAM From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) Cc: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-PipeUser: samsboss X-PipeHub: uk.pipeline.com X-PipeGCOS: (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1028 Lines: 30 On Feb 28, 1997 15:12:35, '"Gavin Smith" ' wrote: >> > Very small percentage program /now/ because the PC is so unfriendly to >> >> Actually, the PC is /very/ friendly to programmers - you've got excellent >> packages such as Borland/Turbo C / C++ / Pascal, Turbo Assembler, Turbo >> Debugger, etc. >> >> The reason people don't program is because they have no interest in it - >most >> people now just want to turn it on and play the latest games. >> >> Paul > >Agreed. But my point was, that although SAM can't be a mass market >machine, it can find little niches here and there, its very nice >built in BASIC being an attractive option to someone who isn't >interested in the latest hyped up processor. Can't find fault with that premiss. I fell that it was the programming skills learnt on the ZX81 and Spectrum that made us the most computer literate nation in the world during the 80s. We should push the programming side of SAM far more. -- Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Mar 1 21:12:22 1997 Message-ID: <3318994E.255A@ndirect.co.uk> Date: Sat, 01 Mar 1997 21:02:06 +0000 From: Neville Young X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Concern For The SAM References: <199703011952.TAA00824@pipe1.uk.pipeline.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 619 Lines: 18 Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com wrote: > > On Feb 28, 1997 15:12:35, '"Gavin Smith" ' wrote: > > Very small percentage program /now/ because the PC is so unfriendly to > > Can't find fault with that premiss. I fell that it was the programming > skills learnt on the ZX81 and Spectrum that made us the most computer > literate nation in the world during the 80s. We should push the programming > side of SAM far more. I think I shoud register a conflict of interest here. I don't want lots of new young _CHEAP_ programmers flooding the market I have a career to think off. Most selfishly yours Nev. From imc Sun Mar 2 13:34:32 1997 Subject: Re: Concern For The SAM To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 13:34:32 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <199703011952.TAA00824@pipe1.uk.pipeline.com> from "Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com" at Mar 1, 97 07:52:30 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 312 Lines: 8 On Sat, 1 Mar 1997 19:52:30 GMT, Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com said: > Can't find fault with that premiss. I fell that it was the programming > skills learnt on the ZX81 and Spectrum that made us the most computer > literate nation in the world during the 80s. Why isn't Microsoft a British company then? :-) imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Mar 2 14:31:28 1997 Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:22:30 +0000 (GMT) From: Paul Walker X-Sender: csuan@holly To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Concern For The SAM In-Reply-To: <8B5DBD4612@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 394 Lines: 11 On Thu, 27 Feb 1997, Gavin Smith wrote: > years). However, I still think its an attractive option (again, I'm > saying not to the mass market) but to parents who read a little > leaflet that says "Computer with disk drive, two games, wordprocessor At which point, the average parent will say "Does it run " (insert latest fad here), we answer "no", and they go on their merry way... Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Mar 2 16:26:20 1997 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 16:17:02 +0000 Subject: Re: Concern For The SAM X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <140136F144C@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 972 Lines: 22 > Actually, the PC is /very/ friendly to programmers - you've got excellent > packages such as Borland/Turbo C / C++ / Pascal, Turbo Assembler, Turbo > Debugger, etc. > > The reason people don't program is because they have no interest in it - most > people now just want to turn it on and play the latest games. The reason *I* don't program a PC is that I can't *AFFORD* Visual C++ for win95 or Borland V5 for Win95. And, if win95 is the way forward (which the market seems to think it is) then there seems little point in writing for anything less - and win3.1 C compilers are too expensive also... Although I'm considering investing in one of these student package thingies where you get Visual Basic V4 and C++ V5 for 90-odd quid... ADVERTISEMENT---- | Holy Cheesus! Cheese flavored potato balls! From the makers of Schmilk! The alternative to milk! | -----------+ http://www.geocities.com/area51/5636/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Mar 2 17:46:06 1997 Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 17:28:57 GMT Message-Id: <199703021728.RAA18458@pipe1.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Concern For The SAM From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) Cc: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-PipeUser: samsboss X-PipeHub: uk.pipeline.com X-PipeGCOS: (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 601 Lines: 19 On Mar 02, 1997 13:34:32, 'Ian Collier ' wrote: >On Sat, 1 Mar 1997 19:52:30 GMT, Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com said: >> Can't find fault with that premiss. I fell that it was the programming >> skills learnt on the ZX81 and Spectrum that made us the most computer >> literate nation in the world during the 80s. > >Why isn't Microsoft a British company then? :-) > >imc Because, as usual, we fail to exploit the brains we have. But I understand that MS have quite a lot of Brits on the payrole, they write the bits that work. -- Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Mar 2 17:46:06 1997 Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 17:32:09 GMT Message-Id: <199703021732.RAA18542@pipe1.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Concern For The SAM From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) Cc: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-PipeUser: samsboss X-PipeHub: uk.pipeline.com X-PipeGCOS: (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 787 Lines: 27 On Mar 01, 1997 21:02:06, 'Neville Young ' wrote: >Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com wrote: >> >> On Feb 28, 1997 15:12:35, '"Gavin Smith" ' wrote: >> >> Very small percentage program /now/ because the PC is so unfriendly to >> >> Can't find fault with that premiss. I fell that it was the programming >> skills learnt on the ZX81 and Spectrum that made us the most computer >> literate nation in the world during the 80s. We should push the programming >> side of SAM far more. > >I think I shoud register a conflict of interest here. >I don't want lots of new young _CHEAP_ programmers flooding the market >I have a career to think off. > >Most selfishly yours > >Nev. Very good point :) -- Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Mar 2 19:38:02 1997 Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 17:47:46 +0000 (GMT) From: Paul Walker X-Sender: csuan@holly To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Concern For The SAM In-Reply-To: <140136F144C@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 547 Lines: 15 On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Dave Hooper wrote: > The reason *I* don't program a PC is that I can't *AFFORD* Visual C++ > for win95 or Borland V5 for Win95. And, if win95 is the way forward That's expense - it's different to unfriendly. > Although I'm considering investing in one of these student package > thingies where you get Visual Basic V4 and C++ V5 for 90-odd quid... You can do, but I've heard from numerous people that VB4 is crap - Delphi is supposed to be much better. --------- Singers, shapers, dreamers, and makers -------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Mar 2 19:38:22 1997 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 18:11:35 +0000 Subject: Re: Concern For The SAM X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <141FC244E18@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 579 Lines: 12 > > Although I'm considering investing in one of these student package > > thingies where you get Visual Basic V4 and C++ V5 for 90-odd quid... > > You can do, but I've heard from numerous people that VB4 is crap - Delphi > is supposed to be much better. It is crap, but the point is I can get it and C++ V5 for less than I could normally get C++ V5 (and you can *NOT* get C++V5 on its own for anything like 90 quid!) --- dave --- If you can read this message your browser does not support frames, video, sound, mime, color, text or any of that irratating acidic jelly. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 3 08:25:08 1997 Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 09:12:15 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9703030812.AA14431@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Concern For The SAM X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 264 Lines: 8 > Can't find fault with that premiss. I fell that it was the programming > skills learnt on the ZX81 and Spectrum that made us the most computer > literate nation in the world during the 80s. We should push the programming > side of SAM far more. "Us"? -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 3 09:03:31 1997 Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 03:57:16 EST From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Concern For The SAM Message-Id: <19970303085727Z49165-250+72@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 615 Lines: 22 Date: 1997-03-03 08:55 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Paul Walker To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Concern For The SAM >On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Dave Hooper wrote: > >> The reason *I* don't program a PC is that I can't *AFFORD* Visual C++ >> for win95 or Borland V5 for Win95. And, if win95 is the way forward > >That's expense - it's different to unfriendly. Oh I don't know. I think it's quite unfriendly. Me: How much is that doggie in the window Shop Assistant: *YOU* won't be able to afford it Me: WAAAAHHHHHH From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 3 09:38:58 1997 Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 09:30:26 +0000 (GMT) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@guava.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Concern For The SAM In-Reply-To: <33174528.572B@ndirect.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 700 Lines: 18 On Fri, 28 Feb 1997, Neville Young wrote: > > Bu V gubhtug lbh zrag lbh unq lbhe qvfx fghpx va gur qvfx qevir. > *smiles after it had taken him a while to decode this by hand since his mail-viewer doesn't handle rotate-13 decyphering...* Perhaps qvfx should be q*px..? Maybe not.. :) -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 3 09:38:58 1997 Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 09:31:21 +0000 (GMT) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@guava.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Concern For The SAM In-Reply-To: <9703021334.AA26479@client28.comlab.ox.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 864 Lines: 19 On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Ian Collier wrote: > On Sat, 1 Mar 1997 19:52:30 GMT, Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com said: > > Can't find fault with that premiss. I fell that it was the programming > > skills learnt on the ZX81 and Spectrum that made us the most computer > > literate nation in the world during the 80s. > > Why isn't Microsoft a British company then? :-) Because Americans like to think they rule the world... (And I would quit England if Microsoft were British) -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 3 11:13:32 1997 Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 11:01:07 GMT Message-Id: <199703031101.LAA02390@pipe1.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Concern For The SAM From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) Cc: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-PipeUser: samsboss X-PipeHub: uk.pipeline.com X-PipeGCOS: (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1393 Lines: 41 On Mar 02, 1997 16:17:02, '"Dave Hooper" <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK>' wrote: >> Actually, the PC is /very/ friendly to programmers - you've got excellent >> packages such as Borland/Turbo C / C++ / Pascal, Turbo Assembler, Turbo >> Debugger, etc. >> >> The reason people don't program is because they have no interest in it - >most >> people now just want to turn it on and play the latest games. > >The reason *I* don't program a PC is that I can't *AFFORD* Visual C++ >for win95 or Borland V5 for Win95. And, if win95 is the way forward >(which the market seems to think it is) then there seems little point >in writing for anything less - Short sighted view IMO, there will be for many years to come a large number of Win3.1 users, just as there is a large number of DOS users at the moment. The choice is to program at the sharp end of technology, where you compete with the 'big boys' and will forever be a little fish trying to swim as fast as the others. Or, look to the market that everyone else is forgetting - it may not be as big, but it will earn you just as much. >and win3.1 C compilers are too >expensive also... But there are more shareware compilers for 3.1 > >Although I'm considering investing in one of these student package >thingies where you get Visual Basic V4 and C++ V5 for 90-odd quid... > > Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 3 11:34:29 1997 Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 11:07:13 GMT From: D.M.Zambonini@cs.cf.ac.uk (D M Zambonini) Message-Id: <199703031107.LAA13675@eries.cs.cf.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Sam Timings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: jHqqWzX90+j42VxK8YyHqw== Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1158 Lines: 25 > Andrew Collier and I have been experimenting with this and found that indeed > a 384 tstate loop does generate a stable image. However - and this is the > crux of the matter, it is possible to write a loop which contains 384+4 > or 384-4 tstates and still get a stable image. These two possibilites > seem to be mutually exclusive - either a loop works with 380 and 384 > or 384 and 388, but never all 3 timings. Yup. Both are indeed stable:- > Now the former (380+4) I can possibly explain (waves his hands about) by > some sort of the ASIC contention, ie the z80 has to wait for the last > burst write from the ASIC and hence misses the last 4 tstates. However > explaining how the z80 can 'beat' the ASIC to allow 388 tstates is > much harder. Surely the ASIC can't be 'held up', or the display would > 'wobble'. Now, I'm **fairly** certain I also explained this effect in BOAI-2 The ASIC isn't being held up, but neither is the Z80 since the WAIT is being generated by the ASIC while the Z80 is doing some internal operation that doesn't need the bus, and so lo!, we have '388 T-states'. Or did I miss something fairly fundamental here? DMZ === From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 3 12:00:04 1997 From: James R Curry Organization: De Montfort University To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 11:57:15 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: BOAI In-reply-to: <19970227163322Z49216-12132+1979@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.50) Message-ID: Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 416 Lines: 13 . > >And you still owe me a free Issue 3, Simon. Where is it, eh? > >Unfinished..? ah. (I'll subscribe from issue 4.) > > Huh. I've /paid/ for 4 em] I won the free prize draw for returning the feedback thingy. -- James R Curry hc95jc@dmu.ac.uk "If you really want something in this life, you have to work for it. Now Quiet! They're about to announce the lottery numbers!" - Homer Simpson, the Simpsons. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 3 12:15:33 1997 From: James R Curry Organization: De Montfort University To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 12:05:30 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Concern For The SAM References: In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.50) Message-ID: Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 388 Lines: 12 > James. Can I quote all that in my web site under reasons for > getting a SAM? my version says the same but not quite as cheery.. Sure. What's the address of your Web Site anyway? -- James R Curry hc95jc@dmu.ac.uk "If you really want something in this life, you have to work for it. Now Quiet! They're about to announce the lottery numbers!" - Homer Simpson, the Simpsons. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 3 12:39:42 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <26586.199703031225@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Concern For The SAM To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 12:24:27 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <19970303085727Z49165-250+72@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> from "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" at Mar 3, 97 03:57:16 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 220 Lines: 10 > Me: How much is that doggie in the window > Shop Assistant: *YOU* won't be able to afford it > Me: WAAAAHHHHHH Thank god someone here has a sense of humour - this list needs lightening up every so often. :)) Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 3 13:33:32 1997 From: Ben Versteeg Message-Id: <199703031244.NAA13519@charm.il.ft.hse.nl> Subject: Re: Sam Timings In-Reply-To: <199703031107.LAA13675@eries.cs.cf.ac.uk> from D M Zambonini at "Mar 3, 97 11:07:13 am" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 13:44:21 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 976 Lines: 27 Hi, Can anyone give a brief description of the developments concerning Sam ? The subscribers of the Dutch magazine 'Sinclair Bulletin' would love to hear about new developments, but I couldn't keep up with all newies last months. So who knows a lot about it ? Could you give a chronologic list of developments ? I will try to merge all replied mail and translate it into Dutch. Then I will mail the letter to the magazine with your name(s) included. Thanks in advance ! Ben Versteeg -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Inner Products Holland _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/ Ben Versteeg _/ _/_/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ ben@il.ft.hse.nl _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ www.il.ft.hse.nl/~ben _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 3 13:33:35 1997 X-Authentication-Warning: dcsun4.comp.brad.ac.uk: lwillis set sender to Relaxed using -f To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. - Reply References: <14049.199702281400@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware From: unknown Date: 03 Mar 1997 12:45:53 +0000 In-Reply-To: Mr P R Walker's message of Fri, 28 Feb 1997 14:00:26 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 991 Lines: 26 Mr P R Walker writes: >> If they did not know how to crack it, you can bet you would not >> be allowed to use it. > Bob, we're off topic - but it's very likely that they /can't/ crack > it. DES has gone, but RSA is still strong - and is likely to remain > so, barring some major development in prime-factoring techniques or > computing power. RSA is not _that_ strong. The current standard for supposedly secure internet transfers (For credit card details etc.) under RSA uses a 32 bit key. At a recent competition (Run by RSA to prove how secure this was ...) a student cracked the code in about 4.5 hours using only one machine. Sorry but I won't be sending my credit card details ANYWHERE over the net! Lee. -- With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. [ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/rfc/rfc1925.txt.gz] From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 3 13:33:35 1997 X-Authentication-Warning: dcsun4.comp.brad.ac.uk: lwillis set sender to Relaxed using -f To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. - Reply References: <3790.199702281517@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware From: unknown Date: 03 Mar 1997 12:46:29 +0000 In-Reply-To: Mr P R Walker's message of Fri, 28 Feb 1997 15:17:37 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 536 Lines: 16 Mr P R Walker writes: > > > anymore. I think a German guy cracked a 64 bit PGP encryption in 7 > > days using 21 computers or something like that. > > Something similar to that - but considering that most people use > 1024 bit RSA keys... > Really? -- With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. [ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/rfc/rfc1925.txt.gz] From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 3 13:33:50 1997 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 13:08:16 +0000 Subject: Re: Concern For The SAM X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <154EE7E08A3@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 640 Lines: 21 > >> The reason *I* don't program a PC is that I can't *AFFORD* Visual C++ > >> for win95 or Borland V5 for Win95. And, if win95 is the way forward > > > >That's expense - it's different to unfriendly. > > Oh I don't know. I think it's quite unfriendly. > > Me: How much is that doggie in the window > Shop Assistant: *YOU* won't be able to afford it > Me: WAAAAHHHHHH > Wow, that's really spot on! 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From the makers of Schmilk - the alternative to milk! | ------------+ http://www.geocities.com/area51/5636/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 3 13:33:50 1997 Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 08:14:09 EST From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Concern For The SAM Message-Id: <19970303131433Z49204-250+95@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1719 Lines: 63 Date: 1997-03-03 13:13 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Subject: Re: Concern For The SAM >To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 12:24:27 +0000 (GMT) > > >> Me: How much is that doggie in the window >> Shop Assistant: *YOU* won't be able to afford it >> Me: WAAAAHHHHHH > > >Thank god someone here has a sense of humour - this list needs lightening >up every so often. :)) > >Paul Sorry if you've seen this one: Just an observation.... Drug dealers Software developers Refer to their clients Refer to their clients as "users". as "users". "The first one's free]" "Download a free trial version..." Have important Southeast Have important Southeast Asian connections Asian connections (to help move the stuff). (to help debug the code). Strange jargon: Strange jargon: "Stick," "Rock," "SCSI," "RTFM," "Dime bag," "E". "Java," "ISDN". Realize that there's Realize that there's tons of cash in the tons of cash in the 14- to 25-year-old market 14- to 25-year-old market. Job is assisted by the Job is assisted by industry's producing industry's producing newer, more potent mixes. newer, faster machines. Often seen in the company Often seen in the company of of pimps and hustlers. marketing people and venture capitalists. Their product causes DOOM. Quake. SimCity. Duke Nukem 3D. unhealthy addictions. 'Nuff said. Do your job well, and Damn] Damn] DAMN]]] you can sleep with sexy movie stars who depend on you. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 3 13:33:51 1997 From: James R Curry Organization: De Montfort University To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 13:25:34 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Concern For The SAM In-reply-to: <199703021728.RAA18458@pipe1.uk.pipeline.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.50) Message-ID: Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 493 Lines: 13 > Because, as usual, we fail to exploit the brains we have. > But I understand that MS have quite a lot of Brits on the payrole, they > write the bits that work. The bits that work? That must mean the little dialog boxes that inform the user that the rest of the system ISN'T working.. -- James R Curry hc95jc@dmu.ac.uk "If you really want something in this life, you have to work for it. Now Quiet! They're about to announce the lottery numbers!" - Homer Simpson, the Simpsons. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 3 13:51:51 1997 X-Authentication-Warning: dcsun4.comp.brad.ac.uk: lwillis set sender to Relaxed using -f To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Sinclair Bulletin ... References: <199703031244.NAA13519@charm.il.ft.hse.nl> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware From: unknown Date: 03 Mar 1997 13:35:16 +0000 In-Reply-To: Ben Versteeg's message of Mon, 3 Mar 1997 13:44:21 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 677 Lines: 21 Ben Versteeg writes: > > Hi, > > Can anyone give a brief description of the developments concerning Sam ? > The subscribers of the Dutch magazine 'Sinclair Bulletin' would love to hear > about new developments, but I couldn't keep up with all newies last months. > > So who knows a lot about it ? > Could you give a chronologic list of developments ? > Question is, what do we want published? Bob? Lee. -- With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. [ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/rfc/rfc1925.txt.gz] From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 3 13:51:51 1997 Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 13:37:44 +0000 (GMT) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@euler.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Concern For The SAM In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 940 Lines: 29 On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, James R Curry wrote: > > James. Can I quote all that in my web site under reasons for > > getting a SAM? my version says the same but not quite as cheery.. > > > Sure. Cool.. :) > What's the address of your Web Site anyway? Well.. At the moment it's still under construction.. But it's: http://www.cms.dmu.ac.uk/~c93js1/sam/xenoa.html I'm (slowly) moving it to a GeoCities site and drawing all the nice title graphics. Don't worry Bob, there are no spiders in it (yet). (They're all in my main home page) :) -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 3 13:51:51 1997 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 13:47:38 +0000 Subject: Re: Concern For The SAM X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <155962E24F0@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1639 Lines: 40 > >The reason *I* don't program a PC is that I can't *AFFORD* Visual C++ > >for win95 or Borland V5 for Win95. And, if win95 is the way forward > >(which the market seems to think it is) then there seems little point > >in writing for anything less - > > Short sighted view IMO, there will be for many years to come a large number > of Win3.1 users, just as there is a large number of DOS users at the > moment. You are right of course, but what I was getting at was, it'd be useful/nice/relevant/important to be able to program for Win95, and that compilers for Win95 can also compile for DOS/Win3.1 whereas dos/win3.1 compilers cannot compile for win95. Wasn't clear, but there ya go. > The choice is to program at the sharp end of technology, where you compete > with the 'big boys' and will forever be a little fish trying to swim as > fast as the others. Or, look to the market that everyone else is forgetting > - it may not be as big, but it will earn you just as much. Intuitively this seems the wrong way round - there'd be fewer fish writing for the new technology and so getting a foot in could be crucial. > >and win3.1 C compilers are too > >expensive also... > > But there are more shareware compilers for 3.1 Maybe but how many are good? I only know of djgpp and really do not like it much. (but then it's technically for dos, so what am I talking about?) --dave-- ADVERTISEMENT---- | Holy Cheesus! Cheese flavored potato balls! From the makers of Schmilk - the alternative to milk! | ------------+ http://www.geocities.com/area51/5636/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 3 13:52:08 1997 Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 08:41:39 EST From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Sam Timings Message-Id: <19970303134202Z49220-250+96@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1679 Lines: 65 Date: 1997-03-03 13:32 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Ben Versteeg Subject: Re: Sam Timings To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 13:44:21 +0100 (MET) Hi, Can anyone give a brief description of the developments concerning Sam ? The subscribers of the Dutch magazine 'Sinclair Bulletin' would love to hear about new developments, but I couldn't keep up with all newies last months. So who knows a lot about it ? Could you give a chronologic list of developments ? Nov 96: Idea for new machine suggested colour of feet decided number of feet decided colour of feet changed name of machine decided Dec 96: name changed colour of feet changed name of operating system chosen colour of feet changed name of operating system changed hardware required decided upgrade path chosen colour of feet changed size of keytops debated Jan 97: size of keytops decided hardware required changed upgrage path lost in syntax error mud wrestling contest arranged to finally decide colour of feet venue for mud wrestling changed operating system abandonded unable to fit more that 5 keys on machine due to size of keytops Feb 97: requirement for feet in dispute 32valve V8 engine to be fitted on rear expansion port to make system go faster length of exhaust pipe in dispute mud pool for wrestling venue dries up problem with foot colour halted by protestors making houses in trees along the proposed route Mar 97: expansion port blocked by mud and dried paint from feet. boot command to be replaced with simple numeric expression of 18443378827 Hope that helps. Nev. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 3 13:52:08 1997 Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 13:43:54 +0000 (GMT) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@euler.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Concern For The SAM In-Reply-To: <19970303131433Z49204-250+95@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 653 Lines: 18 On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, YOUNG Neville, IT Life wrote: > Drug dealers Software developers > > Do your job well, and Damn] Damn] DAMN]]] > you can sleep with > sexy movie stars who > depend on you. Damn.. I knew I was doing the wrong job... -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From imc Mon Mar 3 13:56:17 1997 Subject: Re: Concern For The SAM To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 13:56:17 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: from "Justin Skists" at Mar 3, 97 01:43:54 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 397 Lines: 15 On Mon, 3 Mar 1997 13:43:54 +0000 (GMT), Justin Skists said: > On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, YOUNG Neville, IT Life wrote: > > Drug dealers Software developers > > Do your job well, and Damn] Damn] DAMN]]] > > you can sleep with > > sexy movie stars who > > depend on you. > Damn.. I knew I was doing the wrong job... Could someone just remind me who Bill Gates is married to? imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 3 14:35:08 1997 Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 13:55:27 +0000 (GMT) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@euler.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Sam Timings In-Reply-To: <19970303134202Z49220-250+96@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 626 Lines: 20 On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, YOUNG Neville, IT Life wrote: [snip] *laughs* > Hope that helps. Wouldn't it be simpler to say that we haven't done anything? We haven't got anyway? We've done nothing but argue... :( This hasta change... -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 3 14:35:09 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <11927.199703031413@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. - Reply To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 14:13:40 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: from "unknown" at Mar 3, 97 12:46:29 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 274 Lines: 9 > > Something similar to that - but considering that most people use > > 1024 bit RSA keys... > Really? Almost all of the PGP keys (other peoples) that I have on my public keyring (getting on for 40 or so now, I think) are 1024 bits. Why, how many is yours? Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 3 14:35:10 1997 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 14:10:51 +0000 Subject: Re: Concern For The SAM X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <155F9A34E68@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 524 Lines: 15 > > Drug dealers Software developers > > > > Do your job well, and Damn] Damn] DAMN]]] > > you can sleep with > > sexy movie stars who > > depend on you. > > Damn.. I knew I was doing the wrong job... So . . . if I get a job as a software developer when I graduate, i have to surrender the sexy movie star that i currently get to sleep with? --- dave --- If you can read this message your browser does not support frames, video, sound, mime, color, text or any of that irratating acidic jelly. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 3 14:35:10 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <12142.199703031414@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. - Reply To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 14:14:54 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: from "unknown" at Mar 3, 97 12:45:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 349 Lines: 11 > RSA is not _that_ strong. The current standard for supposedly secure RSA with a large number of bits /is/ strong - and if they'd take a leaf from PGPs book and combine it with another scheme (such as IDEA, used in the correct mode) it would be even better. But, you're right - even if I had a credit card, I wouldn't use it over the net. Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 3 15:09:31 1997 Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 09:41:50 EST From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Concern For The SAM Message-Id: <19970303144225Z49231-250+104@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 738 Lines: 32 Date: 1997-03-03 14:40 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: "Dave Hooper" <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 14:10:51 +0000 Subject: Re: Concern For The SAM >> > Drug dealers Software developers >> > >> > Do your job well, and Damn? Damn? DAMN??? >> > you can sleep with >> > sexy movie stars who >> > depend on you. >> >> Damn.. I knew I was doing the wrong job... > >So . . . if I get a job as a software developer when I graduate, i >have to surrender the sexy movie star that i currently get to sleep >with? Absolutely. Send her by pre-paid taxi to: N Young 70 Rainhall Road Barnoldswick. I thank you Nev. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 4 11:07:42 1997 Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 10:44:59 GMT Message-Id: <199703041044.KAA22338@pipe1.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Concern For The SAM From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) Cc: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-PipeUser: samsboss X-PipeHub: uk.pipeline.com X-PipeGCOS: (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 555 Lines: 24 On Mar 03, 1997 13:56:17, 'Ian Collier ' wrote: >On Mon, 3 Mar 1997 13:43:54 +0000 (GMT), Justin Skists said: >> On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, YOUNG Neville, IT Life wrote: > >> > Drug dealers Software developers > >> > Do your job well, and Damn] Damn] DAMN]]] >> > you can sleep with >> > sexy movie stars who >> > depend on you. > >> Damn.. I knew I was doing the wrong job... > >Could someone just remind me who Bill Gates is married to? > >imc Mrs Gates?? -- Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 4 11:07:42 1997 Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 05:54:49 -0500 (EST) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970304055446_1747284029@emout03.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Concern For The SAM Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 637 Lines: 18 In a message dated 02/03/97 14:32:25, you write: >On Thu, 27 Feb 1997, Gavin Smith wrote: > >> years). However, I still think its an attractive option (again, I'm >> saying not to the mass market) but to parents who read a little >> leaflet that says "Computer with disk drive, two games, wordprocessor > >At which point, the average parent will say "Does it run " (insert >latest fad here), we answer "no", and they go on their merry way... > >Paul Not totally true, the kid may say that but the parants can be sold on the education side and the cost - that is why thousands ended up with the C16 and PLUS 4 a few years ago. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 4 11:07:50 1997 Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 05:54:56 -0500 (EST) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970304055454_1981145790@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Concern For The SAM Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 406 Lines: 18 In a message dated 03/03/97 14:34:03, you write: > >> Drug dealers Software developers >> >> Do your job well, and Damn] Damn] DAMN]]] >> you can sleep with >> sexy movie stars who >> depend on you. > >Damn.. I knew I was doing the wrong job... > > No Justin, just writing the wrong sort of software down girls, I've got to finish this email, will see to you later Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 4 11:07:51 1997 Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 05:54:54 -0500 (EST) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970304055450_1813551038@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Concern For The SAM Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 217 Lines: 8 In a message dated 03/03/97 14:33:57, you write: >Don't worry Bob, there are no spiders in it (yet). (They're all in my main >home page) :) Good, keep it that way, better still get them of your home page... Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 4 11:07:52 1997 Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 05:54:54 -0500 (EST) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970304055452_1914212542@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Sam Timings Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 166 Lines: 13 In a message dated 03/03/97 14:34:01, you write: >[major cut] >Hope that helps. > >Nev. Do I get the feeling that you have very little to do again today? Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 4 11:07:52 1997 Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 05:54:54 -0500 (EST) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970304055448_1780035390@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Concern For The SAM Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 200 Lines: 9 In a message dated 03/03/97 14:08:10, you write: >The bits that work? That must mean the little dialog boxes that >inform the user that the rest of the system ISN'T working.. >-- Good one. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 4 11:07:53 1997 Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 05:54:58 -0500 (EST) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970304055456_-2108846018@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Concern For The SAM Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 364 Lines: 16 In a message dated 03/03/97 15:11:26, you write: >>So . . . if I get a job as a software developer when I graduate, i >>have to surrender the sexy movie star that i currently get to sleep >>with? > >Absolutely. Send her by pre-paid taxi to: >N Young >70 Rainhall Road >Barnoldswick. > >I thank you Forget that, send her to me and I will pay for the taxi. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 4 12:09:08 1997 Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 11:52:48 +0000 (GMT) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@cherry.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Concern For The SAM In-Reply-To: <970304055446_1747284029@emout03.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1019 Lines: 22 On Tue, 4 Mar 1997 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > Not totally true, the kid may say that but the parants can be sold on the > education side and the cost - that is why thousands ended up with the C16 and > PLUS 4 a few years ago. Then again, when my family was getting a new computer, my Dad's only query was "Will it run Windows?" In fact, now it's "Why won't you put Windows95 on it?" And my Dad is almost computer literate (it was him who got me into computing in the first place)... But he suffers from suckering-with-hype-athrombosis... So what does the average 'keep me away from those things'-type parent think? -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 4 12:09:20 1997 Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 11:54:09 +0000 (GMT) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@cherry.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Concern For The SAM In-Reply-To: <970304055450_1813551038@emout05.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 771 Lines: 19 On Tue, 4 Mar 1997 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 03/03/97 14:33:57, you write: > > >Don't worry Bob, there are no spiders in it (yet). (They're all in my main > >home page) :) > > Good, keep it that way, better still get them of your home page... *laughs* Are you gonna give me a free 12months subscription to Format if I do? ;) No? Didn't think so.. :) -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 4 12:09:20 1997 Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 11:54:43 +0000 (GMT) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@cherry.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Concern For The SAM In-Reply-To: <970304055454_1981145790@emout08.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 606 Lines: 14 On Tue, 4 Mar 1997 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > No Justin, just writing the wrong sort of software down girls, I've got > to finish this email, will see to you later And what software would that be? -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 4 12:17:11 1997 From: Christian Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 12:08:26 GMT+0 Subject: Re: Sam Timings X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.31 Message-ID: <15118FD0880@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 125 Lines: 2 I know this is the wrong place to ask but I've been trying to unsub from the list and I'm still getting mails! Please help. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 4 12:17:11 1997 X-Authentication-Warning: dcsun7.comp.brad.ac.uk: lwillis set sender to Relaxed using -f To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Sam Timings References: <970304055452_1914212542@emout06.mail.aol.com> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware From: unknown Date: 04 Mar 1997 12:10:30 +0000 In-Reply-To: BrenchleyR@aol.com's message of Tue, 4 Mar 1997 05:54:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 555 Lines: 22 BrenchleyR@aol.com writes: > > In a message dated 03/03/97 14:34:01, you write: > > >Hope that helps. > > > >Nev. > > Do I get the feeling that you have very little to do again today? > > Bob. > And you working-types have a go at us students for hanging round doing nothing useful all day ... Lee. -- With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. [ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/rfc/rfc1925.txt.gz] From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 4 12:35:18 1997 X-Authentication-Warning: dcsun7.comp.brad.ac.uk: lwillis set sender to Relaxed using -f To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Sam Timings References: <15118FD0880@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware From: unknown Date: 04 Mar 1997 12:21:28 +0000 In-Reply-To: Christian's message of Tue, 4 Mar 1997 12:08:26 GMT+0 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 596 Lines: 20 Christian writes: > > I know this is the wrong place to ask but I've been trying to unsub > from the list and I'm still getting mails! Please help. > Argh!. Didn't you get the info file when you subscribed? send a message to sam-users-request@nvg.ntnu.no with the text unsubscribe in the body of the message. Lee. -- With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. [ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/rfc/rfc1925.txt.gz] From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 4 12:35:19 1997 X-Authentication-Warning: dcsun7.comp.brad.ac.uk: lwillis set sender to Relaxed using -f To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. - Reply References: <11927.199703031413@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware From: unknown Date: 04 Mar 1997 12:24:21 +0000 In-Reply-To: Mr P R Walker's message of Mon, 3 Mar 1997 14:13:40 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 952 Lines: 23 Mr P R Walker writes: > > > > Something similar to that - but considering that most people use > > > 1024 bit RSA keys... > > Really? > > Almost all of the PGP keys (other peoples) that I have on my public keyring > (getting on for 40 or so now, I think) are 1024 bits. Why, how many is yours? > That's PGP keys, not RSA. The standard for supposedly secure transfer is RSA 32-bit encryption which is naff frankly. Anything bigger and the US government classifies it as a weapon and sending a message anywhere in the US, or from the US to outside using anything over this is illegal. This is why the US has a different version of PGP 'coz that's limited too. Lee. -- With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. [ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/rfc/rfc1925.txt.gz] From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 4 12:35:20 1997 X-Authentication-Warning: dcsun7.comp.brad.ac.uk: lwillis set sender to Relaxed using -f To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. - Reply References: <12142.199703031414@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware From: unknown Date: 04 Mar 1997 12:25:02 +0000 In-Reply-To: Mr P R Walker's message of Mon, 3 Mar 1997 14:14:54 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 529 Lines: 14 Mr P R Walker writes: > > > RSA is not _that_ strong. The current standard for supposedly secure > > RSA with a large number of bits /is/ strong - and if they'd take a leaf Yeah, but you can't use it with big keys in the US, it becomes illegal. Lee. -- With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. [ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/rfc/rfc1925.txt.gz] From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 4 13:37:20 1997 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 13:16:42 +0000 Subject: Re: Concern For The SAM X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <16D133B4CB1@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 756 Lines: 25 > In a message dated 03/03/97 15:11:26, you write: > > >>So . . . if I get a job as a software developer when I graduate, i > >>have to surrender the sexy movie star that i currently get to sleep > >>with? > > > >Absolutely. Send her by pre-paid taxi to: > >N Young > >70 Rainhall Road > >Barnoldswick. > > > >I thank you > > Forget that, send her to me and I will pay for the taxi. Then again, I could keep 'er and work for Microsoft. I'd hardly call it software development and it'd probably pay the bills. . . --dave-- ADVERTISEMENT---- | Holy Cheesus! Cheese flavored potato balls! From the makers of Schmilk - the alternative to milk! | ------------+ http://www.geocities.com/area51/5636/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 4 13:37:20 1997 Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 08:24:32 EST From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. - Reply Message-Id: <19970304132453Z49159-250+240@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 629 Lines: 23 Date: 1997-03-04 13:23 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Subject: Re: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. - Reply From: unknown Date: 04 Mar 1997 12:25:02 +0000 >Mr P R Walker writes: >> >> > RSA is not _that_ strong. The current standard for supposedly secure >> >> RSA with a large number of bits /is/ strong - and if they'd take a leaf > >Yeah, but you can't use it with big keys in the US, it becomes illegal. But how would /they/ know you're using big keys. unless they monitor all the traffic. full circle I think. Nev. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 4 13:37:20 1997 Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 08:26:51 EST From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Sam Timings Message-Id: <19970304132702Z49174-250+241@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 667 Lines: 33 Date: 1997-03-04 13:26 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Subject: Re: Sam Timings From: unknown Date: 04 Mar 1997 12:10:30 +0000 >BrenchleyR@aol.com writes: >> >> In a message dated 03/03/97 14:34:01, you write: >> >> >Hope that helps. >> > >> >Nev. >> >> Do I get the feeling that you have very little to do again today? >> >> Bob. >> Got lots to do. like: waiting for an SQL to finish waiting for a LINC generate to finish waiting for a copy to finish waiting for a syntax check to finish waiting for OVERC access waiting for ... - you get the idea - Nev. (still waiting) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 4 13:52:00 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970304133631.00926dd0@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 13:36:31 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Sam Timings In-Reply-To: References: <19970303134202Z49220-250+96@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 480 Lines: 22 At 01:55 PM 3/3/97 +0000, you wrote: >Status: O > >On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, YOUNG Neville, IT Life wrote: > >[snip] > >*laughs* > >> Hope that helps. > >Wouldn't it be simpler to say that we haven't done anything? We haven't >got anyway? We've done nothing but argue... :( > >This hasta change... Which is why I proposed work-groups, where people interested in working on various parts of the OS, hardware, etc, could discuss ideas. That way, there's less to argue about :) Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 4 15:10:06 1997 X-Authentication-Warning: dcsun4.comp.brad.ac.uk: lwillis set sender to Relaxed using -f To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Sam Timings References: <19970304132702Z49174-250+241@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware From: unknown Date: 04 Mar 1997 14:55:29 +0000 In-Reply-To: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life"'s message of Tue, 04 Mar 1997 08:26:51 EST Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 653 Lines: 22 "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" writes: > Got lots to do. like: > > waiting for an SQL to finish > waiting for a LINC generate to finish > waiting for a copy to finish > waiting for a syntax check to finish > waiting for OVERC access > waiting for ... > - you get the idea - In other words, hanging around, doing nothing, and getting paid for it. God it must be a hard life! ;) -- With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. [ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/rfc/rfc1925.txt.gz] From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 4 15:10:11 1997 X-Authentication-Warning: dcsun4.comp.brad.ac.uk: lwillis set sender to Relaxed using -f To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. - Reply References: <19970304132453Z49159-250+240@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware From: unknown Date: 04 Mar 1997 14:54:40 +0000 In-Reply-To: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life"'s message of Tue, 04 Mar 1997 08:24:32 EST Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 923 Lines: 24 "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" writes: > > >Mr P R Walker writes: > >> > >> > RSA is not _that_ strong. The current standard for supposedly secure > >> > >> RSA with a large number of bits /is/ strong - and if they'd take a leaf > > > >Yeah, but you can't use it with big keys in the US, it becomes illegal. > > But how would /they/ know you're using big keys. > unless they monitor all the traffic. > The software that lets you use bigger keys isn't allowed in the US. Therefore if you wanted to write your own version with _huge_ keys then fine, you can do, but it is illegal, and if you get caught then you get prosecuted. -- With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. [ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/rfc/rfc1925.txt.gz] From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 4 15:52:12 1997 Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 10:32:24 EST From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. - Reply Message-Id: <19970304153601Z49157-250+261@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1042 Lines: 33 Date: 1997-03-04 15:30 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Subject: Re: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. - Reply From: unknown Date: 04 Mar 1997 14:54:40 +0000 >"YOUNG Neville, IT Life" writes: >> >> >Mr P R Walker writes: >> >> >> >> > RSA is not _that_ strong. The current standard for supposedly secure >> >> >> >> RSA with a large number of bits /is/ strong - and if they'd take a leaf >> > >> >Yeah, but you can't use it with big keys in the US, it becomes illegal. >> >> But how would /they/ know you're using big keys. >> unless they monitor all the traffic. >> > >The software that lets you use bigger keys isn't allowed in the >US. Therefore if you wanted to write your own version with _huge_ keys >then fine, you can do, but it is illegal, and if you get caught then >you get prosecuted. and how do you get caught if /they/ don't monitor it. as I wrote before _this thread has now gone full circle_ Nev. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 4 15:52:12 1997 Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 10:33:40 EST From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Sam Timings Message-Id: <19970304153751Z49157-250+262@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 647 Lines: 27 Date: 1997-03-04 15:32 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Subject: Re: Sam Timings From: unknown Date: 04 Mar 1997 14:55:29 +0000 >"YOUNG Neville, IT Life" writes: > >> Got lots to do. like: >> >> waiting for an SQL to finish >> waiting for a LINC generate to finish >> waiting for a copy to finish >> waiting for a syntax check to finish >> waiting for OVERC access >> waiting for ... >> - you get the idea - > >In other words, hanging around, doing nothing, and getting paid for it. >God it must be a hard life] > yep. sure is. :) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 4 17:39:34 1997 Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 17:23:57 +0000 (GMT) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@dunlin.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Sam Timings In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970304133631.00926dd0@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 755 Lines: 16 On Tue, 4 Mar 1997, Simon Cooke wrote: > Which is why I proposed work-groups, where people interested in working on > various parts of the OS, hardware, etc, could discuss ideas. That way, > there's less to argue about :) That is beginning to sound like the best idea. So, who's gonna organise it? If anything, I'd to be part of the 'accelerator' project... -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 4 22:28:23 1997 Message-Id: From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale) Subject: channel5 retuning To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 22:19:39 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <961119114153_1318151952@emout11.mail.aol.com> from "BrenchleyR@aol.com" at Nov 19, 96 11:41:54 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 465 Lines: 13 I had to re-trun my SAM's tv output tonight because of the channel 5 test signal.... well, not so long ago on comp.sys.sinclair I warned someone to use a plastic (not metal) tool to adjust the ferrite core that controls the frequency, otherwise the ferrite (being quite brittle) would shatter. Well, having just shattered the ferrite core on my modulator, let me just warn you again! Still, it forced me to make up tht monitor lead I've been meaning to do! Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Mar 5 10:33:19 1997 Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 10:19:55 +0000 (GMT) From: Paul Walker X-Sender: csuan@lily To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Concern For The SAM In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 579 Lines: 15 On Tue, 4 Mar 1997, Justin Skists wrote: > Then again, when my family was getting a new computer, my Dad's only > query was "Will it run Windows?" In fact, now it's "Why won't you put > Windows95 on it?" Bingo - you've found the sort of thing I'm talking about... most people don't care about whether it's great or not, as long as it'll run Windows! (There was even someone in the library the other day who had no idea you could use the keyboard in Windows - she wanted to get out, so I told her to press Alt-F4. "Oh ... right .... which one's the alt key?" "ARGH!") Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Mar 5 11:09:45 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <14451.199703051036@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HERE. - Reply To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 10:36:02 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: from "unknown" at Mar 4, 97 12:24:21 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 856 Lines: 20 > That's PGP keys, not RSA. The standard for supposedly secure transfer PGP keys /are/ RSA keys. PGP uses them to "bootstrap" into the IDEA cipher - the IDEA is what the messages are encoded with, while the keys are easier to use; the keys provide part of the startup for idea. > is illegal. This is why the US has a different version of PGP 'coz > that's limited too. Odd. The key for Phil Zimmerman that I have uses 1024 bits... PGP itself won't go below 384 unless you specifically tell it to. Incidentally, you're wrong - just remembered. The US version of PGP is different because it has to use the RSA libraries of the company that owns the patent on it. The international version is allowed to use Phil's own routines, which run somewhat faster and are (I guess) optimised for PGP. PGP itself will produce any size key you tell it to... Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Mar 5 11:09:45 1997 From: James R Curry Organization: De Montfort University To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 11:05:33 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: channel5 retuning In-reply-to: References: <961119114153_1318151952@emout11.mail.aol.com> from "BrenchleyR@aol.com" at Nov 19, 96 11:41:54 am X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.50) Message-ID: Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 881 Lines: 23 > I had to re-trun my SAM's tv output tonight because > of the channel 5 test signal.... well, not so long > ago on comp.sys.sinclair I warned someone to use a > plastic (not metal) tool to adjust the ferrite > core that controls the frequency, otherwise the > ferrite (being quite brittle) would shatter. > Well, having just shattered the ferrite core on > my modulator, let me just warn you again! Still, > it forced me to make up tht monitor lead I've > been meaning to do! This really shouldn't have been neccesary. Channel 5 are REQUIRED to make sure that their signal cause NO INTERFERENCE! They would have sorted something for you, if you'd moaned enough, I'm sure. -- James R Curry hc95jc@dmu.ac.uk "If you really want something in this life, you have to work for it. Now Quiet! They're about to announce the lottery numbers!" - Homer Simpson, the Simpsons. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Mar 5 12:28:34 1997 Message-Id: From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale) Subject: Re: channel5 retuning To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 12:19:55 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: from "James R Curry" at Mar 5, 97 11:05:33 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 371 Lines: 12 > This really shouldn't have been neccesary. Channel 5 are REQUIRED to > make sure that their signal cause NO INTERFERENCE! > > They would have sorted something for you, if you'd moaned enough, I'm > sure. Yes - but it was a choice between phone them and try and arrange a time when they'd be able to visit and I'd be in, or give the thing a tweak myself.... Andy From imc Wed Mar 5 12:34:20 1997 Subject: Re: channel5 retuning To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 12:34:20 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: from "James R Curry" at Mar 5, 97 11:05:33 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1394 Lines: 30 On Wed, 5 Mar 1997 11:05:33 GMT, James R Curry said: [Andrew Gale said:] > > I had to re-trun my SAM's tv output tonight because > > of the channel 5 test signal.... well, not so long > > ago on comp.sys.sinclair I warned someone to use a > > plastic (not metal) tool to adjust the ferrite > > core that controls the frequency, otherwise the > > ferrite (being quite brittle) would shatter. > > Well, having just shattered the ferrite core on > > my modulator, let me just warn you again! Yeah, I did my +3 one in a while ago when I was trying to find enough channel space for two videos, a +3 and a Sam (surely though a plastic tool would just mean that you can't turn it at all, which isn't much help?). I glued it back together, sort of. However, the best place for it is not in the coil at all - that raises the frequency to channel 40, at which there is no interference. :-) > This really shouldn't have been neccesary. Channel 5 are REQUIRED to > make sure that their signal cause NO INTERFERENCE! > They would have sorted something for you, if you'd moaned enough, I'm > sure. Says who? I don't think they would touch your Sam even if you asked them to (as I assume they are only doing VCRs). They might sell you a blocker for fifteen quid, though really it should be possible to avoid interference just by not connecting the TV aerial in at the same time as the Sam. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Mar 5 13:12:53 1997 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 13:01:50 +0000 Subject: Re: channel5 retuning X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <184D4DB79BB@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 873 Lines: 21 > They would have sorted something for you, if you'd moaned enough, I'm > sure. They're ONLY under obligation to return videos and satellite decoders to avoid interference from their channel 5. The strange thing is, channel 5 does NOT interefere with my video signal, but rather the other way round; my video intereferes with channel 5, and they have not once claimed that they are able to fix this (only to retune vids so that when you play a vid you don't get a channel 5 scrawl all over it). But then again on my TV, channel 4 intereferes with all the other channels, and what can I do about that? Maybe my TV's shafted => --dave-- ADVERTISEMENT---- | Holy Cheesus! Cheese flavored potato balls! From the makers of Schmilk - the alternative to milk! | ------------+ http://www.geocities.com/area51/5636/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Mar 5 15:26:47 1997 Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 09:57:40 EST From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: channel5 retuning Message-Id: <19970305145757Z49164-250+378@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 751 Lines: 26 Date: 1997-03-05 12:55 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale) Subject: Re: channel5 retuning To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 12:19:55 +0000 (GMT) >> This really shouldn't have been neccesary. Channel 5 are REQUIRED to >> make sure that their signal cause NO INTERFERENCE] >> >> They would have sorted something for you, if you'd moaned enough, I'm >> sure. > > >Yes - but it was a choice between phone them and try and >arrange a time when they'd be able to visit and I'd be >in, or give the thing a tweak myself.... >Andy You should have gone to the transmitter and re-tuned that. Let them have the buggered ferrite slug. :-) Nev. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Mar 5 15:26:47 1997 Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 10:05:52 -0500 (EST) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970305100549_-1841772839@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: channel5 retuning Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 636 Lines: 21 In a message dated 05/03/97 11:43:25, you write: >! > >This really shouldn't have been neccesary. Channel 5 are REQUIRED to >make sure that their signal cause NO INTERFERENCE! > >They would have sorted something for you, if you'd moaned enough, I'm >sure. Sorry James, but not true. Channel 5 are required only to retune the main television in the household, and also one video. If the can't return the video easily they are now just fitting a little black box which blocks C5 when you watch a video but then means you cannot video a C5 program. They will not undertake the returning of computers of video games consols. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Mar 6 01:36:00 1997 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: sskardon@argonet.co.uk (Stewart Skardon) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 6 Mar 97 00:03:27 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: A few questions Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 586 Lines: 25 Hello everyone. Just a few questions that I thought someone here might be able to answer. 1- Has the SAM Video Digitiser from RookSoft been scrapped, or is it available to buy now? 2- Does anyone know where I can get a Comms interface from? Thanks for any help that you may be able to give me. Stewart. -- _ (_`tewart sskardon@argonet.co.uk ,_) kardon http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/mind.html Crashed WWW Site - http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon NSSS Web Site - http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/nsss.html From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Mar 6 09:46:38 1997 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 09:42:17 +0000 From: Dan Doore To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: A few questions - Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 181 Lines: 13 > 2- Does anyone know where I can get a Comms interface from? I imagine Bob can sell you one, but Colin MacD is also flogging one so that might be worth checking out. Dan. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Mar 6 09:59:24 1997 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 09:52:32 +0000 From: Dan Doore To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: channel5 retuning - Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 466 Lines: 15 > Still, it forced me to make up the monitor lead I've > been meaning to do! *grins* I've been using my Sam on SCART for years now, and it was only last year that I discovered that the video chip was in fact completely dead and I couldn't generate an RF signal anyway... Incidentally, I thought channel5 broadcast on UHF36, but when I re-tuned all out tellies it says that it's on UHF37-and-a-bit. Dan. [Sorry non-UK people, this thread must mean naff all....] From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Mar 6 10:08:56 1997 Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 09:56:51 GMT Message-Id: <199703060956.JAA21344@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: A few questions From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) Cc: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-PipeUser: samsboss X-PipeHub: uk.pipeline.com X-PipeGCOS: (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 734 Lines: 26 On Mar 06, 1997 00:03:27, 'sskardon@argonet.co.uk (Stewart Skardon)' wrote: >Hello everyone. > >Just a few questions that I thought someone here might be able to answer. > >1- Has the SAM Video Digitiser from RookSoft been scrapped, or is it available >to buy now? It was being done by Mr Morgan of SAM PD fame, however when I spoke to him at the last All Formats Show at the Haydock Race Course he said that he had been very let down and that it now looked like it would not appear. > >2- Does anyone know where I can get a Comms interface from? Still available via Format AFAIK, but only made to special order. > >Thanks for any help that you may be able to give me. > >Stewart. > Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Mar 6 10:08:56 1997 Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 09:58:40 GMT Message-Id: <199703060958.JAA22364@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: channel5 retuning - Reply From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) Cc: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-PipeUser: samsboss X-PipeHub: uk.pipeline.com X-PipeGCOS: (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 740 Lines: 25 On Mar 06, 1997 09:52:32, 'Dan Doore ' wrote: >> Still, it forced me to make up the monitor lead I've >> been meaning to do! > >*grins* > >I've been using my Sam on SCART for years now, and it was only >last year that I discovered that the video chip was in fact completely >dead and I couldn't generate an RF signal anyway... You can get a replacement from Bob. I've fitted one to mine, even though I do use scart, so I can use my SAM when I goes home to mum. > >Incidentally, I thought channel5 broadcast on UHF36, but when I re-tuned >all out tellies it says that it's on UHF37-and-a-bit. > >Dan. > >[Sorry non-UK people, this thread must mean naff all....] -- Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Mar 6 10:32:39 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970306102637.00924310@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 10:26:37 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: A few questions In-Reply-To: <199703060956.JAA21344@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1917 Lines: 45 At 09:56 AM 3/6/97 GMT, you wrote: >>Just a few questions that I thought someone here might be able to answer. >> >>1- Has the SAM Video Digitiser from RookSoft been scrapped, or is it >available >>to buy now? > >It was being done by Mr Morgan of SAM PD fame, however when I spoke to him >at the last All Formats Show at the Haydock Race Course he said that he had >been very let down and that it now looked like it would not appear. Well done, you've just placed yourself. Dave Whitmore: can you find out who Derek talked to at the last show? Anyway, one quick phone call from work later... According to Martin, he has indeed let Derek down -- he was supposed to have put together a modification for the board, ready for the next Haydock show -- not realising that the next Haydock show was actually a lot sooner than he thought. Result: no digitiser yet. The modification is to invert one of the signal lines, due to a change in components available -- one version of the ADC takes an enable line (I think) with a high-to-enable signal, the other takes a low-to-enable signal. Thus the problem. >>2- Does anyone know where I can get a Comms interface from? > >Still available via Format AFAIK, but only made to special order. Bob - if you're making these, can you please put *in* the jumper and the link on the interrupt line? It's incredibly useful, and lets the comms interface be used for a lot more. It's a single jumper, near the euroconnector, away from the block of jumpers which set the comms interface address. And if you want, I'll post up the details here of how to modify your Comms interface to work with Modems which use RTS/CTS flow control (ie any of the ones around which run at 9600 baud or above), to allow really really fast connections. NOTE: This modification stops it from working with some serial printers. You pays your money, you gets your choice, it would seem. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Mar 6 15:23:49 1997 Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 10:15:33 -0500 (EST) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970306101527_-1674162931@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: A few questions Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 670 Lines: 24 In a message dated 06/03/97 00:03:02, you write: >Hello everyone. > >Just a few questions that I thought someone here might be able to answer. > >1- Has the SAM Video Digitiser from RookSoft been scrapped, or is it >available >to buy now? Now in the hands of Derick Morgan, but there has been no advance for some time. > >2- Does anyone know where I can get a Comms interface from? Strange, you are the third person to ask in the last few weeks. They can still be made, although they are no a stock item anymore due to lack of demand(only 6 units sold since West Coast took over from SAMCO). > >Thanks for any help that you may be able to give me. > >Stewart. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Mar 6 15:42:47 1997 Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 15:27:48 +0000 (GMT) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@larch.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: A few questions In-Reply-To: <970306101527_-1674162931@emout09.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 846 Lines: 17 On Thu, 6 Mar 1997 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > Strange, you are the third person to ask in the last few weeks. They can > still be made, although they are no a stock item anymore due to lack of > demand(only 6 units sold since West Coast took over from SAMCO). I think you would get a better response if it had a 'proper' standard PC-style connection. I need one, although I was thinking about building my own based on Simon's(?) Gemini design... -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Mar 6 16:49:35 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <15515.199703061630@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: A few questions To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 15:59:06 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: from "Justin Skists" at Mar 6, 97 03:27:48 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 234 Lines: 7 > I think you would get a better response if it had a 'proper' standard > PC-style connection. I need one, although I was thinking about building You mean that you can't connect a standard modem to it? What use is it, then? Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Mar 6 17:05:27 1997 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: sskardon@argonet.co.uk (Stewart Skardon) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 6 Mar 97 16:53:46 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: A few questions Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 489 Lines: 18 On Thu 6 Mar 97 (10:26:37 +0000), scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk wrote: > >Well done, you've just placed yourself. Dave Whitmore: can you find out >who Derek talked to at the last show? > Arrrgh! Here we go again. :-) -- _ (_`tewart sskardon@argonet.co.uk ,_) kardon http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/mind.html Crashed WWW Site - http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon NSSS Web Site - http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/nsss.html From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Mar 6 17:05:27 1997 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: sskardon@argonet.co.uk (Stewart Skardon) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 6 Mar 97 16:57:29 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: A few questions Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 908 Lines: 35 On Thu 6 Mar 97 (10:15:33), brenchleyr@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 06/03/97 00:03:02, you write: > >>Hello everyone. >> >>Just a few questions that I thought someone here might be able to >answer. (snip) >Strange, you are the third person to ask in the last few weeks. They >can still be made, although they are no a stock item anymore due to >lack of demand(only 6 units sold since West Coast took over from >SAMCO). >> >>Thanks for any help that you may be able to give me. >> >>Stewart. > >Bob. > > So how much does it cost to get one made up then? And would I get details of the connections on it? No good otherwise. -- _ (_`tewart sskardon@argonet.co.uk ,_) kardon http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/mind.html Crashed WWW Site - http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon NSSS Web Site - http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/nsss.html From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Mar 6 18:26:16 1997 Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 18:08:31 +0000 (GMT) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@aether.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: A few questions In-Reply-To: <15515.199703061630@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 891 Lines: 20 On Thu, 6 Mar 1997, Mr P R Walker wrote: > > > I think you would get a better response if it had a 'proper' standard > > PC-style connection. I need one, although I was thinking about building > > You mean that you can't connect a standard modem to it? What use is it, then? I'd just like to stick a standard null-modem cable between my SAM and my PC to transfer things easily. Maybe write some remote-controlling protocol to access the PC like the old main-frame-->dumb-terminal days.. -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Mar 6 19:23:34 1997 Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 19:08:23 GMT Message-Id: <199703061908.TAA24415@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: A few questions From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) Cc: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-PipeUser: samsboss X-PipeHub: uk.pipeline.com X-PipeGCOS: (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 364 Lines: 11 On Mar 06, 1997 15:27:48, 'Justin Skists ' wrote: >I think you would get a better response if it had a 'proper' standard >PC-style connection. I need one, although I was thinking about building >my own based on Simon's(?) Gemini design... It is /standard/ AFAIK. 9 pin PC/AT according to Bruce Gordon. -- Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Mar 6 19:42:32 1997 Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 19:33:55 +0000 (GMT) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@aether.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: A few questions In-Reply-To: <199703061908.TAA24415@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 935 Lines: 21 On Thu, 6 Mar 1997 samsboss@uk.pipeline.com wrote: > On Mar 06, 1997 15:27:48, 'Justin Skists ' wrote: > > > >I think you would get a better response if it had a 'proper' standard > >PC-style connection. I need one, although I was thinking about building > >my own based on Simon's(?) Gemini design... > > It is /standard/ AFAIK. 9 pin PC/AT according to Bruce Gordon. Then why is it IDC? (Or am I missing something?) Is it wired to the RS232 standard (ie all the 'useful' lines including modem control)? -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Mar 6 20:42:24 1997 Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 20:28:53 GMT Message-Id: <199703062028.UAA10127@pipe1.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: A few questions From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) Cc: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-PipeUser: samsboss X-PipeHub: uk.pipeline.com X-PipeGCOS: (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 830 Lines: 27 On Mar 06, 1997 19:33:55, 'Justin Skists ' wrote: >On Thu, 6 Mar 1997 samsboss@uk.pipeline.com wrote: > >> On Mar 06, 1997 15:27:48, 'Justin Skists ' wrote: >> >> >> >I think you would get a better response if it had a 'proper' standard >> >PC-style connection. I need one, although I was thinking about building >> >my own based on Simon's(?) Gemini design... >> >> It is /standard/ AFAIK. 9 pin PC/AT according to Bruce Gordon. > >Then why is it IDC? (Or am I missing something?) Is it wired to the RS232 >standard (ie all the 'useful' lines including modem control)? > > Sorry, lost it with IDC. But with null-modem cable you can connect SAM with COMMS to the PC. Done it once, long ago. Don't know about modem use though. -- Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Mar 6 20:49:37 1997 Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 20:46:57 +0000 (GMT) From: Tim Wells <93tgw@eng.cam.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: A few questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 557 Lines: 16 On Thu, 6 Mar 1997, Justin Skists wrote: > > >I think you would get a better response if it had a 'proper' standard > > >PC-style connection. I need one, although I was thinking about building > > >my own based on Simon's(?) Gemini design... > > > > It is /standard/ AFAIK. 9 pin PC/AT according to Bruce Gordon. > > Then why is it IDC? (Or am I missing something?) Is it wired to the RS232 > standard (ie all the 'useful' lines including modem control)? The printer port is the IDC one - the RS232 port is the 9-pin one next to that. Tim W. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Mar 6 22:28:09 1997 Message-Id: From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale) Subject: Re: A few questions To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 22:21:12 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970306102637.00924310@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> from "Simon Cooke" at Mar 6, 97 10:26:37 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 338 Lines: 11 >>1- Has the SAM Video Digitiser from RookSoft been scrapped, or is it >available >>to buy now? What ae the features of this digitiser? Is it like the Maplin's/Samco one - i.e. takes 6 secs to digitise a picture? If so, then I have a working design.... but the analogue side is a bit shaky. It only uses 8 or 10 chips, though... Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Mar 7 09:04:29 1997 Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 08:59:54 +0000 (GMT) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@pine.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: A few questions In-Reply-To: <199703062028.UAA10127@pipe1.uk.pipeline.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 919 Lines: 23 On Thu, 6 Mar 1997 samsboss@uk.pipeline.com wrote: > >Then why is it IDC? (Or am I missing something?) Is it wired to the RS232 > > >standard (ie all the 'useful' lines including modem control)? > > > Sorry, lost it with IDC. IDC = ribbon cable > But with null-modem cable you can connect SAM with COMMS to the PC. Done it > once, long ago. Don't know about modem use though. If it's really standard, can I have a costing for one to be made up for me? I'll see how much it'll cost to build my own and compare... -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Mar 7 09:09:39 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970307090530.00923dc0@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 09:05:30 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: A few questions In-Reply-To: <199703061908.TAA24415@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 530 Lines: 17 At 07:08 PM 3/6/97 GMT, you wrote: >Status: > >On Mar 06, 1997 15:27:48, 'Justin Skists ' wrote: > > >>I think you would get a better response if it had a 'proper' standard >>PC-style connection. I need one, although I was thinking about building >>my own based on Simon's(?) Gemini design... > >It is /standard/ AFAIK. 9 pin PC/AT according to Bruce Gordon. It's standard if you're using a printer. If you're using a Modem, a number of signals are missing - most importantly the RTS line. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Mar 7 09:09:39 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970307090649.00927810@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 09:06:49 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: A few questions In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.19970306102637.00924310@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 537 Lines: 17 At 10:21 PM 3/6/97 +0000, you wrote: >Status: > >>>1- Has the SAM Video Digitiser from RookSoft been scrapped, or is it >>available >>>to buy now? > >What ae the features of this digitiser? Is it like the Maplin's/Samco >one - i.e. takes 6 secs to digitise a picture? If so, then I have >a working design.... but the analogue side is a bit shaky. It >only uses 8 or 10 chips, though... Kind of -- except with much better sync handling and black-level than the Maplins one. The SAMCo-era design has been improved on a bit :) Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Mar 7 10:12:12 1997 Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 09:58:20 GMT Message-Id: <199703070958.JAA19712@pipe1.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: A few questions From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) Cc: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-PipeUser: samsboss X-PipeHub: uk.pipeline.com X-PipeGCOS: (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 615 Lines: 20 On Mar 06, 1997 22:21:12, 'ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale)' wrote: >>>1- Has the SAM Video Digitiser from RookSoft been scrapped, or is it >>available >>>to buy now? > >What ae the features of this digitiser? Is it like the Maplin's/Samco >one - i.e. takes 6 secs to digitise a picture? If so, then I have >a working design.... but the analogue side is a bit shaky. It >only uses 8 or 10 chips, though... > >Andy > AFAIK it is a step up from the SAMCO one but only just. Seen it at a couple of shows but it is not my sort of thing so it did not impress me. -- Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Mar 7 10:12:12 1997 Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 09:59:58 GMT Message-Id: <199703070959.JAA19741@pipe1.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: A few questions From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) Cc: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-PipeUser: samsboss X-PipeHub: uk.pipeline.com X-PipeGCOS: (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 800 Lines: 26 On Mar 07, 1997 08:59:54, 'Justin Skists ' wrote: >On Thu, 6 Mar 1997 samsboss@uk.pipeline.com wrote: > >> >Then why is it IDC? (Or am I missing something?) Is it wired to the RS232 >> >> >standard (ie all the 'useful' lines including modem control)? >> > >> Sorry, lost it with IDC. > >IDC = ribbon cable > >> But with null-modem cable you can connect SAM with COMMS to the PC. Done it >> once, long ago. Don't know about modem use though. > >If it's really standard, can I have a costing for one to be made up for >me? I'll see how much it'll cost to build my own and compare... > Yes I know IDC stands for Insulation Displacement Connector, but I was not sure why it was being used when talking about the serial side. -- Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Mar 7 10:44:02 1997 Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 05:36:14 EST From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: A few questions Message-Id: <19970307103632Z49179-250+589@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1036 Lines: 31 Date: 1997-03-07 10:34 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Justin Skists To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: A few questions >On Thu, 6 Mar 1997 samsboss@uk.pipeline.com wrote: > >> On Mar 06, 1997 15:27:48, 'Justin Skists ' wrote: >> >> >> >I think you would get a better response if it had a 'proper' standard >> >PC-style connection. I need one, although I was thinking about building >> >my own based on Simon's(?) Gemini design... >> >> It is /standard/ AFAIK. 9 pin PC/AT according to Bruce Gordon. > >Then why is it IDC? (Or am I missing something?) Is it wired to the RS232 >standard (ie all the 'useful' lines including modem control)? > AFAIK The printer is centronics standard using an IDC (Insulation Displacement Cable) That crappy grey flat stuff. AFAIK The serial is RS422 standard and looks like a modem (ie the signals are ging the wrong way) so that you can connect a printer to it without a null modem. HTH NEV From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Mar 7 14:30:07 1997 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: sskardon@argonet.co.uk (Stewart Skardon) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 7 Mar 97 11:17:35 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: A few questions Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 454 Lines: 18 Me again. :-) All this information about the digitiser is very nice, but it doesn't answer my original question. Is it available to buy, or should I just give up on the idea? -- _ (_`tewart sskardon@argonet.co.uk ,_) kardon http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/mind.html Crashed WWW Site - http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon NSSS Web Site - http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/nsss.html From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Mar 7 14:30:07 1997 Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 14:20:15 +0000 (GMT) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@guava.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: A few questions In-Reply-To: <199703070959.JAA19741@pipe1.uk.pipeline.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 722 Lines: 15 On Fri, 7 Mar 1997 samsboss@uk.pipeline.com wrote: > Yes I know IDC stands for Insulation Displacement Connector, but I was not > sure why it was being used when talking about the serial side. Because I was under the impression the serial link at the i/face side was a 10-way IDC header.. (Don't ask me why I thought this) -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Mar 7 14:43:14 1997 Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 14:30:48 +0000 (GMT) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@guava.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: A few questions In-Reply-To: <19970307103632Z49179-250+589@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 947 Lines: 22 On Fri, 7 Mar 1997, YOUNG Neville, IT Life wrote: > AFAIK The printer is centronics standard using an IDC (Insulation > Displacement Cable) That crappy grey flat stuff. It is. I've got the printer interface. > AFAIK The serial is RS422 standard and looks like a modem (ie the signals > are ging the wrong way) so that you can connect a printer to it without a > null modem. In that case, it's not what I need. It's not a serial printer I want to talk to. I don't want to make up seperate cables for my 6811 projects for when I use my SAM or PC.. -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Mar 7 16:19:14 1997 Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 11:06:35 EST From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: A few questions Message-Id: <19970307161051Z49180-250+617@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 501 Lines: 22 Date: 1997-03-07 16:04 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: sskardon@argonet.co.uk (Stewart Skardon) >To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >Date: Fri, 7 Mar 97 11:17:35 >Subject: Re: A few questions > >Me again. :-) > >All this information about the digitiser is very nice, but it doesn't answer >my >original question. > >Is it available to buy, or should I just give up on the idea? Probably quicker to buy some crayons and draw a picture. Nev. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Mar 7 17:33:54 1997 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: sskardon@argonet.co.uk (Stewart Skardon) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 7 Mar 97 17:24:50 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: HDOS Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 555 Lines: 21 Nev, Is there a new version of HDOS available? I'm having lot's of problems with disappearing files, and the Calls are driving me nuts. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I could do better, but it seems a waste of time having the hard disc, if I can't save things to it. :-) -- _ (_`tewart sskardon@argonet.co.uk ,_) kardon http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/mind.html Crashed WWW Site - http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon NSSS Web Site - http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/nsss.html From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Mar 8 16:32:25 1997 To: "sam-users@nvg.unit.no" Subject: Hello again every one! Date: Sat, 08 Mar 97 16:23:12 -0500 From: David Ledbury X-Mailer: E-Mail Connection v2.5.03 Message-Id: <19970308162455Z49178-250+720@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 733 Lines: 28 -- [ From: David Ledbury * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- Due to the fact I'm still in the process of moving, and have yet to sort out getting some sort of snazzy PC for my own usage, I've got a temporary E-mail account sorted out for the next few months. The new address is: persona@hands-on.ltd.uk So, if anyone wants to mail me, please forward anything there. At the moment I have 650 messages in the persona@clara.net account, which I need to get deleted in one go - so please don't send anything there, as you have a chance of your message being lost forever! Anyway, hope to hear something more exciting than the ramblings about SAMSBOSS's ID soon... BTW isn't BB8 Barnoldswick, where SD Software used to be based??? David L From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Mar 9 01:01:27 1997 Message-ID: To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Lacey Subject: Been looking around the FTP site peeps. Date: Sat, 11 Jan 97 00:55:17 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 432 Lines: 14 Hi, David Ledbury again - c/o my next door neighbour Paul! Just a quick question? Who is responsible for the running of the FTP site? Why? Well, I didn't realise I released SAM PRIME into the site ... it's news to me! (Mind you, I have been known to be absent minded, so I may have said something to someone - but I think I'd have remebered that!) Anyway, if you could take it off, I'd be rather chuffed!! Cheers all, David From imc Sun Mar 9 12:06:02 1997 Subject: Re: Been looking around the FTP site peeps. To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 12:06:02 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: from "Paul Lacey" at Jan 11, 97 00:55:17 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 204 Lines: 7 On Sat, 11 Jan 97 00:55:17 GMT, Paul Lacey said: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Hi, David Ledbury again - c/o my next door neighbour Paul! Well tell him to get the date fixed on his computer... imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Mar 9 13:40:06 1997 Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 13:37:16 +0000 (GMT) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@navy.csi.cam.ac.uk To: Sam-users Subject: Going down again Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1134 Lines: 26 Well it's that time again; I'll be going down on Saturday next week. So will brain.sel, so look at the web-page now while you still have the chance. I will be coming back up on 19th April, (so will brain.sel, then or thereabouts) which is the date of Gloucester...... it may or may not be possible for me to go, I will make every effort. (But since I won't know for certain until I'm off-line, it will just have to be a surprise if I turn up) Any big companies planning big news? And if, as according to Fred, Kabboomm has been released, why haven't I got mine yet? (Paid for at the last show, before you say anything....) Andrew +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Second Law Of Thermodynamics: | Andrew Collier, 1A NatSci | | If you think things are in a | email asc25@hermes.cam.ac.uk | | mess now, just you wait.... | Selwyn College, Cambridge | +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Construction work in progress at http://brain.sel.cam.ac.uk/~asc25 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Mar 9 14:58:23 1997 Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 14:52:53 +0000 (GMT) From: Tim Paveley To: Sam Users Mailing List Subject: Show Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 375 Lines: 14 Wah! Just realised what date the show is, absolutely no chance of making it if I want to live after the event :( Oh well :( ....@/ .........................................................................@/ Unc - Tim Paveley - http://dplinux.sund.ac.uk/~unc/ Staff of the Monochrome BBS - http://www.mono.org/ Owner of a Sam Coupe - http://www.mono.org/~unc/Coupe/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Mar 9 15:01:21 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <12302.199703091458@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Show To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 14:58:53 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: from "Tim Paveley" at Mar 9, 97 02:52:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 182 Lines: 4 > Just realised what date the show is, absolutely no chance of > making it if I want to live after the event :( Sounds intriguing... I don't think they'd be drinking that much :) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Mar 9 16:17:34 1997 Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 11:13:26 -0500 (EST) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970309111320_-970263956@emout18.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Show Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 269 Lines: 16 In a message dated 09/03/97 14:52:01, you write: >) > >Wah! > > Just realised what date the show is, absolutely no chance of >making it if I want to live after the event :( > >Oh well :( > >....@/ Would you care to explain? Possible shot-gun wedding perhaps? Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Mar 9 16:38:55 1997 Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 16:38:24 +0000 (GMT) From: Tim Paveley To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Show In-Reply-To: <970309111320_-970263956@emout18.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 522 Lines: 16 On Sun, 9 Mar 1997 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > > Just realised what date the show is, absolutely no chance of > >making it if I want to live after the event :( > Would you care to explain? Possible shot-gun wedding perhaps? Close :) My better halfs 21st birthday party :) ....@/ .........................................................................@/ Unc - Tim Paveley - http://dplinux.sund.ac.uk/~unc/ Staff of the Monochrome BBS - http://www.mono.org/ Owner of a Sam Coupe - http://www.mono.org/~unc/Coupe/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Mar 9 17:00:15 1997 Message-ID: <3322EBAC.3558@ndirect.co.uk> Date: Sun, 09 Mar 1997 16:56:12 +0000 From: Neville Young X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Show References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 345 Lines: 16 Tim Paveley wrote: > > On Sun, 9 Mar 1997 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > > > Just realised what date the show is, absolutely no chance of > > >making it if I want to live after the event :( > > Would you care to explain? Possible shot-gun wedding perhaps? > > Close :) > > My better halfs 21st birthday party :) > Cradle snatcher. :) Nev From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Mar 9 17:09:44 1997 Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 16:57:42 GMT Message-Id: <199703091657.QAA07060@pipe1.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Show From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) Cc: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-PipeUser: samsboss X-PipeHub: uk.pipeline.com X-PipeGCOS: (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 504 Lines: 20 On Mar 09, 1997 16:38:24, 'Tim Paveley ' wrote: >On Sun, 9 Mar 1997 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: >> > Just realised what date the show is, absolutely no chance of >> >making it if I want to live after the event :( >> Would you care to explain? Possible shot-gun wedding perhaps? > >Close :) > >My better halfs 21st birthday party :) > >.....@/ Well take her along to the show, its her 21st so she should have a treat on the day :) -- Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Mar 9 17:09:44 1997 Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 17:07:41 +0000 (GMT) From: Tim Paveley To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Show In-Reply-To: <3322EBAC.3558@ndirect.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 366 Lines: 12 On Sun, 9 Mar 1997, Neville Young wrote: > > My better halfs 21st birthday party :) > Cradle snatcher. :grins She's only nine months younger than me, it isn't that bad, is it? .........................................................................@/ Unc - Tim Paveley - http://dplinux.sund.ac.uk/~unc/ Owner of a Sam Coupe - http://www.mono.org/~unc/Coupe/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Mar 9 17:16:49 1997 Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 17:15:38 +0000 (GMT) From: Tim Paveley To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Show In-Reply-To: <199703091657.QAA07060@pipe1.uk.pipeline.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 743 Lines: 19 On Sun, 9 Mar 1997 samsboss@uk.pipeline.com wrote: > >My better halfs 21st birthday party :) > Well take her along to the show, its her 21st so she should have a treat on > the day :) Alas, dispite much effort on my part, I just can't see it as her scene, although she does own a limited edition "snail" t-shirt :) Added to the fact that we are expecting 19 other people too, and I don't think I could persude all 19 of them to go to gloucester :) Ah, Oh well, hopefully GCHQ will give me a job and then I'll only be 5 mins away for next time :) .........................................................................@/ Unc - Tim Paveley - http://dplinux.sund.ac.uk/~unc/ Owner of a Sam Coupe - http://www.mono.org/~unc/Coupe/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Mar 9 17:33:53 1997 Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 17:29:45 +0000 (GMT) From: Dave Handley To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Show In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 482 Lines: 14 On Sun, 9 Mar 1997, Tim Paveley wrote: > Alas, dispite much effort on my part, I just can't see it as her scene, > although she does own a limited edition "snail" t-shirt :) > > Added to the fact that we are expecting 19 other people too, and I don't > think I could persude all 19 of them to go to gloucester :) > > Ah, Oh well, hopefully GCHQ will give me a job and then I'll only be 5 > mins away for next time :) Wow, you own a SAM AND have 19 friends?!? Wierd? :) Dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Mar 9 17:53:11 1997 Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 17:50:32 +0000 (GMT) From: Tim Paveley To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Show In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 445 Lines: 12 On Sun, 9 Mar 1997, Dave Handley wrote: > On Sun, 9 Mar 1997, Tim Paveley wrote: > > Added to the fact that we are expecting 19 other people too, and I don't > > think I could persude all 19 of them to go to gloucester :) > > Wow, you own a SAM AND have 19 friends?!? Wierd? :) Nah, the friends are my gf's ;) .........................................................................@/ Unc - Tim Paveley - http://dplinux.sund.ac.uk/~unc/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Mar 9 21:53:53 1997 Message-ID: To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Lacey Subject: How do you use LBC files ? Date: Sat, 11 Jan 97 21:48:00 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 178 Lines: 7 How do you use the various file types on the FTP site? I know about the TD0 file types obviously, but what about the others? David Ledbury (Please reply to the above address) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 10 07:40:11 1997 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 08:28:22 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9703100728.AA26618@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Been looking around the FTP site peeps. X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 518 Lines: 18 > Hi, David Ledbury again - c/o my next door neighbour Paul! > > Just a quick question? Who is responsible for the running of the FTP site? Me am.... > > Why? Well, I didn't realise I released SAM PRIME into the site ... it's news to me! > (Mind you, I have been known to be absent minded, so I may have said something > to someone - but I think I'd have remebered that!) > > Anyway, if you could take it off, I'd be rather chuffed!! Done. Sorry about that. Can't remember how they got there either. -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 10 07:47:51 1997 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 08:41:59 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9703100741.AA26625@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no, Paul.Lacey@btinternet.com Subject: Re: How do you use LBC files ? X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 559 Lines: 17 > How do you use the various file types on the FTP site? > I know about the TD0 file types obviously, but what about the others? If it's not a .td0 file it's most likely a .zip-file. In which case you normally unzip it on your favourite pc/mac/unix, shmock them onto a disk and use KE-disk (or a similar tool) and move the files from the PC-disk to a SAM-disk. They should be ready to use from there (alternatively you have to put them through the SAMs native compression package ;) -Frode > > > David Ledbury > > (Please reply to the above address) > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 10 08:54:54 1997 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 03:43:43 EST From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Going down again Message-Id: <19970310084400Z49205-250+832@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 457 Lines: 19 Date: 1997-03-10 08:45 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Andrew Collier > To: Sam-users > Subject: Going down again > Well it's that time again; I'll be going down on Saturday next week. > > I will be coming back up on 19th April, Well isn't *your* gf the lucky one ] :-) Nev. (obviously in a strange mood again) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 10 08:54:55 1997 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 03:46:57 EST From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Show Message-Id: <19970310084708Z49207-250+833@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 416 Lines: 20 Date: 1997-03-10 08:47 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Tim Paveley >To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >Subject: Re: Show > >On Sun, 9 Mar 1997, Neville Young wrote: >> > My better halfs 21st birthday party :) >> Cradle snatcher. > >:grins > >She's only nine months younger than me, it isn't that bad, is it? ok. cradle swappers :) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 10 09:11:42 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970310090516.0092ae10@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 09:05:16 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Been looking around the FTP site peeps. In-Reply-To: <9703100728.AA26618@asmal.edh-net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 670 Lines: 27 At 08:28 AM 3/10/97 +0100, you wrote: >Status: > >> Hi, David Ledbury again - c/o my next door neighbour Paul! >> >> Just a quick question? Who is responsible for the running of the FTP site? > >Me am.... > >> >> Why? Well, I didn't realise I released SAM PRIME into the site ... it's news to me! >> (Mind you, I have been known to be absent minded, so I may have said something >> to someone - but I think I'd have remebered that!) >> >> Anyway, if you could take it off, I'd be rather chuffed!! > >Done. > >Sorry about that. Can't remember how they got there either. I think it was due to the fact that Dave said that they could be put up on there ;) Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 10 09:23:27 1997 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 09:16:49 +0000 (GMT) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@guava.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Show In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 540 Lines: 13 On Sun, 9 Mar 1997, Dave Handley wrote: > Wow, you own a SAM AND have 19 friends?!? Wierd? :) Doesn't everybody (who has a SAM, of course)? :) -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 10 09:33:18 1997 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 09:32:18 +0000 (GMT) From: Tim Paveley To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Show In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 491 Lines: 13 On Mon, 10 Mar 1997, Justin Skists wrote: > On Sun, 9 Mar 1997, Dave Handley wrote: > > Wow, you own a SAM AND have 19 friends?!? Wierd? :) > Doesn't everybody (who has a SAM, of course)? :) Depends whether you count the other 18 sam owners ;) :ducks .........................................................................@/ Unc - Tim Paveley - http://dplinux.sund.ac.uk/~unc/ Staff of the Monochrome BBS - http://www.mono.org/ Owner of a Sam Coupe - http://www.mono.org/~unc/Coupe/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 10 09:48:28 1997 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 09:43:21 +0000 (GMT) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@larch.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Show In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 918 Lines: 21 On Mon, 10 Mar 1997, Tim Paveley wrote: > On Mon, 10 Mar 1997, Justin Skists wrote: > > On Sun, 9 Mar 1997, Dave Handley wrote: > > > Wow, you own a SAM AND have 19 friends?!? Wierd? :) > > Doesn't everybody (who has a SAM, of course)? :) > > Depends whether you count the other 18 sam owners ;) Actually.. I only have one SAM owning friend. (I've only ever met one other SAM owner). All the others are either PC owners (who laugh at me owning a SAM), people who hate computers, and quite a few nurses, physios, etc. -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 10 10:04:09 1997 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 04:58:12 EST From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Show Message-Id: <19970310095826Z49166-250+837@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 528 Lines: 19 Date: 1997-03-10 09:55 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Tim Paveley >To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >Subject: Re: Show > >On Mon, 10 Mar 1997, Justin Skists wrote: >> On Sun, 9 Mar 1997, Dave Handley wrote: >> > Wow, you own a SAM AND have 19 friends?]? Wierd? :) >> Doesn't everybody (who has a SAM, of course)? :) > >Depends whether you count the other 18 sam owners ;) and since when have sam owners been /friends/ with each other ? Nev From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 10 10:07:58 1997 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 05:04:44 EST From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Show Message-Id: <19970310100501Z49200-250+838@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 787 Lines: 28 Date: 1997-03-10 10:02 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Justin Skists >To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >Subject: Re: Show > >On Mon, 10 Mar 1997, Tim Paveley wrote: > >> On Mon, 10 Mar 1997, Justin Skists wrote: >> > On Sun, 9 Mar 1997, Dave Handley wrote: >> > > Wow, you own a SAM AND have 19 friends?]? Wierd? :) >> > Doesn't everybody (who has a SAM, of course)? :) >> >> Depends whether you count the other 18 sam owners ;) > >Actually.. I only have one SAM owning friend. (I've only ever met one >other SAM owner). All the others are either PC owners (who laugh at me >owning a SAM), people who hate computers, and quite a few nurses, >physios, etc. ^^^^^^^ Why did I read this as psychos :-) nev From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 10 10:14:40 1997 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 10:11:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Dave Handley To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Show In-Reply-To: <19970310100501Z49200-250+838@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 404 Lines: 15 On Mon, 10 Mar 1997, YOUNG Neville, IT Life wrote: > >Actually.. I only have one SAM owning friend. (I've only ever met one > >other SAM owner). All the others are either PC owners (who laugh at me > >owning a SAM), people who hate computers, and quite a few nurses, > >physios, etc. > ^^^^^^^ > > Why did I read this as psychos :-) > > nev So did I! Maybe the 'nurses' bit distracted us! ;) Dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 10 10:41:13 1997 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 10:37:21 +0000 (GMT) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@indigo.csi.cam.ac.uk To: Sam-users Subject: Re: Going down again In-Reply-To: <19970310084400Z49205-250+832@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 829 Lines: 26 On Mon, 10 Mar 1997, YOUNG Neville, IT Life wrote: > > > :-) > > Nev. (obviously in a strange mood again) Do you do stand-up? (comedy...) I dunno, my one free morning of the week, and it's taken up with this sort of discussion! Let's end this thread RIGHT NOW before it gets any worse... Andrew +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Second Law Of Thermodynamics: | Andrew Collier, 1A NatSci | | If you think things are in a | email asc25@hermes.cam.ac.uk | | mess now, just you wait.... | Selwyn College, Cambridge | +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Construction work in progress at http://brain.sel.cam.ac.uk/~asc25 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 10 10:44:44 1997 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 05:42:02 EST From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Show Message-Id: <19970310104223Z49169-250+842@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 677 Lines: 28 Date: 1997-03-10 10:39 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Dave Handley >To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >Subject: Re: Show > >On Mon, 10 Mar 1997, YOUNG Neville, IT Life wrote: > >> >Actually.. I only have one SAM owning friend. (I've only ever met one >> >other SAM owner). All the others are either PC owners (who laugh at me >> >owning a SAM), people who hate computers, and quite a few nurses, >> >physios, etc. >> ccccccc >> >> Why did I read this as psychos :-) >> >> nev > >So did I] Maybe the 'nurses' bit distracted us] ;) > >Dave eh. dey do dat doh dont dey. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 10 10:52:14 1997 From: Gavin Smith Organization: University of Ulster To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 10:56:22 GMT Subject: Re: Show X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <1904119761C@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 221 Lines: 11 > >So did I] Maybe the 'nurses' bit distracted us] ;) > > > >Dave > > > eh. dey do dat doh dont dey. > I'm sorry Andrew, but this whole thread was worth that last comment LOL Made my day anyway :) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 10 11:14:43 1997 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 11:02:12 GMT From: D.M.Zambonini@cs.cf.ac.uk (D M Zambonini) Message-Id: <199703101102.LAA02895@quintilian.cs.cf.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Show Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: QQtePgJE2D5rovr+901Abw== Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 422 Lines: 15 > Ah, Oh well, hopefully GCHQ will give me a job and then I'll only be 5 > mins away for next time :) > Um. You **do** know that the civil service entire is "downsizing and restructuring" at present? This means that all posts are likely to be taken up internally, although legally they have to advertise the posts anyway, even if they ignore the applicants. Innit marvelous? Good luck, all the same... :) DMZ === From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 10 11:14:43 1997 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 11:03:23 +0000 (GMT) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@klein.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Show In-Reply-To: <19970310100501Z49200-250+838@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 717 Lines: 18 On Mon, 10 Mar 1997, YOUNG Neville, IT Life wrote: > Why did I read this as psychos :-) Well, have you met any physiotherapists? ;) I used to date one... Actually, physio's are much better than nurses, IMHO. But this is getting WAY off topic... Then again, when was the last time we talked about something on-topic? -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 10 11:14:43 1997 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 11:07:31 +0000 (GMT) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@klein.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Show In-Reply-To: <19970310104223Z49169-250+842@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 731 Lines: 19 On Mon, 10 Mar 1997, YOUNG Neville, IT Life wrote: > > eh. dey do dat doh dont dey. > Err.. No.. Not really.. Most are amongst the most uncaring, selfish people I know. Apart from surgeons, that is... (This having worked in the IT section of a hospital last year in my work (and other things ;) ) experience)... -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 10 11:27:04 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <766.199703101117@cayenne.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Show To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 11:17:30 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: from "Justin Skists" at Mar 10, 97 11:03:23 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 170 Lines: 7 > But this is getting WAY off topic... Then again, when was the last time > we talked about something on-topic? Well, I seem to remember something in 1995... :) Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 10 11:27:04 1997 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 06:20:50 EST From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Going down again Message-Id: <19970310112107Z49200-250+846@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 591 Lines: 29 Date: 1997-03-10 11:08 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Andrew Collier To: Sam-users Subject: Re: Going down again >On Mon, 10 Mar 1997, YOUNG Neville, IT Life wrote: > >> >> >> :-) >> >> Nev. (obviously in a strange mood again) > >Do you do stand-up? (comedy...) No. >I dunno, my one free morning of the week, and it's taken up with this sort >of discussion] Let's end this thread RIGHT NOW before it gets any >worse... Chicken. > > >Andrew nev From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 10 11:53:04 1997 From: James R Curry Organization: De Montfort University To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 11:54:06 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Show In-reply-to: <766.199703101117@cayenne.csv.warwick.ac.uk> References: from "Justin Skists" at Mar 10, 97 11:03:23 am X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.50) Message-ID: <76E32D5E94@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 538 Lines: 17 > Well, I seem to remember something in 1995... :) > > Paul Yeah, it was a discussion about KE_DISK or something. But that's not strictly SAM, it's partly PC related. -- James R Curry hc95jc@dmu.ac.uk "When Marge first told me she was going to the police academy, I thought it'd be fun and exciting, you know, like that movie, 'Spaceballs'. But instead it's been painful and disturbing like that movie 'Police Academy'." - Homer Simpson, the Simpsons. The official James R Curry web page is under construction! Stand by. From imc Mon Mar 10 11:58:02 1997 Subject: Re: Show To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 11:58:02 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: from "Tim Paveley" at Mar 9, 97 05:07:41 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 290 Lines: 12 On Sun, 9 Mar 1997 17:07:41 +0000 (GMT), Tim Paveley said: > On Sun, 9 Mar 1997, Neville Young wrote: > > > My better halfs 21st birthday party :) > > Cradle snatcher. > :grins > She's only nine months younger than me, it isn't that bad, is it? Wishful thinking on Nev's part. :-) imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 10 12:09:12 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <906.199703101155@cayenne.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Show To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 11:55:26 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <76E32D5E94@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> from "James R Curry" at Mar 10, 97 11:54:06 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 223 Lines: 7 > > Well, I seem to remember something in 1995... :) > Yeah, it was a discussion about KE_DISK or something. But that's not > strictly SAM, it's partly PC related. And partly Atari ST related, don't forget that... Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 10 12:09:13 1997 Message-Id: <199703101201.NAA05145@dxmint.cern.ch> From: Allan Skillman Subject: The Show..... To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 10 Mar 97 13:01:40 MET Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1079 Lines: 21 Hi Everyone, Talking of the show, is anyone travelling from the Leicestershire /Northamptonshire area and willing to give me a lift ? Also can anyone bring along a PC for SimCoupe? Talking of SimCoupe, there should be a new release soon (well in time for teh show anyway). This version will have proper instruction timings, experimental border effects support and partial GUI support. Allan +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Now available! SimCoupe, the one and only SAM Coupe emulator | | *** http://www.hep.ucl.ac.uk/~ajs/simcoupe/simcoupe_distr.html *** | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ | Allan Skillman | "There are five flavours of resons, the | | HEPP Group | elementary particles of magic : up, down, | | University College London | sideways, sex-appeal and peppermint." | | Email : ajs@hep.ucl.ac.uk | - Terry Pratchett (Lords and Ladies) | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 10 13:10:22 1997 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 08:04:17 EST From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Show Message-Id: <19970310130438Z49202-250+859@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 363 Lines: 15 Date: 1997-03-10 13:04 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Justin Skists >To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >Subject: Re: Show > >Well, have you met physio the rapist? ;) I used to date one... > >Actually, physio's are much better than nurses, IMHO. nev From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 10 13:20:49 1997 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Show References: <19970310130438Z49202-250+859@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.89) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: "Uncle Bulgaria <" Date: 10 Mar 1997 13:11:45 +0000 In-Reply-To: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life"'s message of Mon, 10 Mar 1997 08:04:17 EST Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.17/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 658 Lines: 20 "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" writes: > > > > >Well, have you met physio the rapist? ;) I used to date one... > > > >Actually, physio's are much better than nurses, IMHO. > Radiographers aren't bad either (In the stupidly misguided hope that my girlfriend might by some quirk of the net, read this and see me paying her a compliment for once ...) Lee. -- With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. [ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/rfc/rfc1925.txt.gz] From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 10 14:00:58 1997 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Ignore, test posting ... X-Mammoth-Status: Aware Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.89) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: "Uncle Bulgaria <" Date: 10 Mar 1997 13:53:25 +0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.25/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 350 Lines: 8 Sorry about this folks, but my mail reader's being daft, and I'm just trying to check something ... -- With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. [ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/rfc/rfc1925.txt.gz] From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 10 14:14:31 1997 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 14:15:12 +0000 Subject: Re: Show X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <1FE116B633C@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 506 Lines: 13 > Radiographers aren't bad either (In the stupidly misguided hope that > my girlfriend might by some quirk of the net, read this and see me > paying her a compliment for once ...) Same goes for chicks studying chemistry and law (same reason) --dave-- ADVERTISEMENT---- | Holy Cheesus! Cheese flavored potato balls snack! From the makers of Schmilk - the surprsing alternative to milk! | ------------+ http://www.geocities.com/area51/5636/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 10 15:04:10 1997 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 09:47:41 EST From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Show Message-Id: <19970310144855Z49205-250+863@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 560 Lines: 20 Date: 1997-03-10 14:45 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 14:15:12 +0000 >Subject: Re: Show > >> Radiographers aren't bad either (In the stupidly misguided hope that >> my girlfriend might by some quirk of the net, read this and see me >> paying her a compliment for once ...) > >Same goes for chicks studying chemistry and law (same reason) > what about those women with direct mammary access to their twin floating point processors. runs away From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 10 16:58:43 1997 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 11:55:11 -0500 (EST) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970310115508_1914861793@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Show Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 517 Lines: 22 In a message dated 10/03/97 13:15:05, you write: >: > >> > >> >> >Well, have you met physio the rapist? ;) I used to date one... >> > >> >Actually, physio's are much better than nurses, IMHO. >> > >Radiographers aren't bad either (In the stupidly misguided hope that >my girlfriend might by some quirk of the net, read this and see me >paying her a compliment for once ...) > > >Lee. Radiographers are not bad, the trouble is though that they can see streight through you. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 10 17:39:29 1997 From: Johnna Teare Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 17:33:53 GMT+0 Subject: SAM Users Mailing List??? X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <1E696137E39@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 430 Lines: 12 I've just deleted about 200 mailings from this list and only a small proportion of them were directly SAM related. Something else must have happened in the SAM World recently? Surely...? And Bob, did you ever get any response from 'West Coast' when you asked them if they would fund the SAMSon project? Johnna Pig Teare (JohnnaPig@deathsdoor.com) JohnnaPig OnLine (www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna) "They call me Mad The Swine." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 10 17:47:33 1997 From: Gavin Smith Organization: University of Ulster To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 17:50:31 GMT Subject: Re: SAM Users Mailing List??? X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <197289B177B@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 523 Lines: 12 > And Bob, did you ever get any response from 'West Coast' when you > asked them if they would fund the SAMSon project? > > Johnna Pig Teare (JohnnaPig@deathsdoor.com) Umm, that reminds me (and big apologies that this is off "topic"(not that there is one, but you know what I mean), Bob have you received any of my mails, either in private or in the list in the last few months? Or are you just ignoring me? I still haven't received the Two-Up or Clock that I ordered...*please reply or I stop the cheque* *sigh* From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 10 18:45:33 1997 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 18:34:07 GMT Message-Id: <199703101834.SAA02291@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Show From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) Cc: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-PipeUser: samsboss X-PipeHub: uk.pipeline.com X-PipeGCOS: (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 481 Lines: 19 On Mar 10, 1997 04:58:12, '"YOUNG Neville, IT Life" ' wrote: >>On Mon, 10 Mar 1997, Justin Skists wrote: >>> On Sun, 9 Mar 1997, Dave Handley wrote: >>> > Wow, you own a SAM AND have 19 friends?]? Wierd? :) >>> Doesn't everybody (who has a SAM, of course)? :) >> >>Depends whether you count the other 18 sam owners ;) > >and since when have sam owners been /friends/ with each other ? > >Nev Why all the time. -- Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 10 18:45:33 1997 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 18:35:13 GMT Message-Id: <199703101835.SAA02816@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Going down again From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) Cc: Sam-users X-PipeUser: samsboss X-PipeHub: uk.pipeline.com X-PipeGCOS: (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 486 Lines: 25 On Mar 10, 1997 10:37:21, 'Andrew Collier ' wrote: >On Mon, 10 Mar 1997, YOUNG Neville, IT Life wrote: > >> >> >> :-) >> >> Nev. (obviously in a strange mood again) > >Do you do stand-up? (comedy...) > >I dunno, my one free morning of the week, and it's taken up with this sort >of discussion! Let's end this thread RIGHT NOW before it gets any >worse... > > > >Andrew Spoilsport. Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 11 10:27:18 1997 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Show References: <1FE116B633C@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.89) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Uncle Bulgaria Date: 11 Mar 1997 10:16:12 +0000 In-Reply-To: "Dave Hooper"'s message of Mon, 10 Mar 1997 14:15:12 +0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.25/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 592 Lines: 17 "Dave Hooper" <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> writes: > > Radiographers aren't bad either (In the stupidly misguided hope that > > my girlfriend might by some quirk of the net, read this and see me > > paying her a compliment for once ...) > > Same goes for chicks studying chemistry and law (same reason) > What you've got _two_ ? ;) Lee. -- With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. [ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/rfc/rfc1925.txt.gz] From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 11 10:53:13 1997 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 10:42:53 +0000 From: Dan Doore To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Show - Reply Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 161 Lines: 10 > hopefully GCHQ will give me a job and then I'll only be 5 > mins away for next time :) You can have mine - I just quit. Dan. Soon to be ex-HOC SOC & POD From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 11 12:32:05 1997 Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 07:21:12 EST From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: quiet innit Message-Id: <19970311122130Z49174-250+939@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 220 Lines: 11 Date: 1997-03-11 12:22 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Where is every body. It's awful quiet here today. dons sou'wester and waits for flood of mail. Nev From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 11 12:44:54 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <21035.199703111233@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: quiet innit To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 12:32:51 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <19970311122130Z49174-250+939@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> from "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" at Mar 11, 97 07:21:12 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 106 Lines: 6 > Where is every body. > It's awful quiet here today. Been quiet for quite some time, I thought... Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 11 12:44:55 1997 From: James R Curry Organization: De Montfort University To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 12:43:47 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: quiet innit In-reply-to: <19970311122130Z49174-250+939@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.50) Message-ID: <8FB7CA48CC@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 591 Lines: 18 > Where is every body. > It's awful quiet here today. You're right, it is quiet.. too quiet! > dons sou'wester and waits for flood of mail. Hmm.. And what a flood it is, too.. -- James R Curry hc95jc@dmu.ac.uk "When Marge first told me she was going to the police academy, I thought it'd be fun and exciting, you know, like that movie, 'Spaceballs'. But instead it's been painful and disturbing like that movie 'Police Academy'." - Homer Simpson, the Simpsons. The official James R Curry web page is under construction! Stand by. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 11 12:44:56 1997 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: quiet innit References: <19970311122130Z49174-250+939@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.89) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Uncle Bulgaria Date: 11 Mar 1997 12:39:31 +0000 In-Reply-To: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life"'s message of Tue, 11 Mar 1997 07:21:12 EST Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.25/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 580 Lines: 22 "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" writes: > > Where is every body. > It's awful quiet here today. > Well I'm busy doing coursework and there hasn't been much for me to comment on recently ... > dons sou'wester and waits for flood of mail. > SAM sucks. dons fireman's outfit and awaits the flames ! -- With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. [ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/rfc/rfc1925.txt.gz] From imc Tue Mar 11 13:09:20 1997 Subject: Re: channel5 retuning - Reply To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 13:09:20 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: from "Dan Doore" at Mar 6, 97 09:52:32 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 325 Lines: 8 On Thu, 06 Mar 1997 09:52:32 +0000, Dan Doore said: > Incidentally, I thought channel5 broadcast on UHF36, but when I re-tuned > all out tellies it says that it's on UHF37-and-a-bit. It is not on channel 36 and I don't think it was ever planned to be on 36. In most "retune areas" it is on 37. In Oxford it is on 49. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 11 13:33:03 1997 Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 13:24:12 +0000 (GMT) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@lagrange.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: channel5 retuning - Reply In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 778 Lines: 17 On 11 Mar 1997, Uncle Bulgaria wrote: > I'm sure I read somewhere that it was intended to be on 36 hence why > videos etc. needed to be retuned 'coz that's the frequency that they > use. I think it was FORMAT years ago ... It's on 37. Videos on 36 picking up interference from 37. Or so the Chan5 guy told me as he went through my house with me explaining how ours is wired up.. -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 11 13:33:04 1997 X-Warning: Original message contained 8-bit characters, however during the SMTP transport session the receiving system was unable to announce capability of receiving 8-bit SMTP (RFC 1425-1428), and as this message does not have MIME headers (RFC 1341) to enable encoding change, we had very little choices. X-Warning: We ASSUME it is less harmfull to add the MIME headers, and convert the text to Quoted-Printable, than not to do so, and to strip the message to 7-bits.. (RFC 1428 Appendix A) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=UNKNOWN-8BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 14:25:06 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9703111325.AA27794@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: quiet innit X-Sun-Charset: ISO-8859-1 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 61 Lines: 5 it's Bj=F6rk! <\waste bandwith> -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 11 13:33:04 1997 Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 13:26:38 +0000 (GMT) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@lagrange.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: quiet innit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 658 Lines: 20 On 11 Mar 1997, Uncle Bulgaria wrote: > {snipo} > I hate that song.. (and that singer).. I think the reason why no-ones talking is because everyone's given up with the SAMson project, all the other projects, and probably the SAM herself... -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 11 13:33:08 1997 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: quiet innit References: <21035.199703111233@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.89) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Uncle Bulgaria Date: 11 Mar 1997 13:15:53 +0000 In-Reply-To: Mr P R Walker's message of Tue, 11 Mar 1997 12:32:51 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.25/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 487 Lines: 19 Mr P R Walker writes: > > Where is every body. > > It's awful quiet here today. > > Been quiet for quite some time, I thought... > Shhh, shhh, shhh It's Oh so quiet .... Shhh, shh ... -- With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. [ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/rfc/rfc1925.txt.gz] From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 11 13:33:13 1997 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: channel5 retuning - Reply References: <9703111309.AA09534@client28.comlab.ox.ac.uk> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.89) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Uncle Bulgaria Date: 11 Mar 1997 13:20:59 +0000 In-Reply-To: Ian Collier's message of Tue, 11 Mar 1997 13:09:21 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.25/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 822 Lines: 21 Ian Collier writes: > On Thu, 06 Mar 1997 09:52:32 +0000, Dan Doore said: > > Incidentally, I thought channel5 broadcast on UHF36, but when I re-tuned > > all out tellies it says that it's on UHF37-and-a-bit. > > It is not on channel 36 and I don't think it was ever planned to be on 36. > In most "retune areas" it is on 37. In Oxford it is on 49. > I'm sure I read somewhere that it was intended to be on 36 hence why videos etc. needed to be retuned 'coz that's the frequency that they use. I think it was FORMAT years ago ... Lee. -- With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. [ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/rfc/rfc1925.txt.gz] From imc Tue Mar 11 13:35:53 1997 Subject: Re: channel5 retuning - Reply To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 13:35:53 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: from "Uncle Bulgaria" at Mar 11, 97 01:20:59 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 371 Lines: 9 On 11 Mar 1997 13:20:59 +0000, Uncle Bulgaria said: > I'm sure I read somewhere that it was intended to be on 36 hence why > videos etc. needed to be retuned 'coz that's the frequency that they > use. I think it was FORMAT years ago ... OK, but FORMAT isn't an official Channel 5 communication and someone probably got it wrong and was passing on bad information. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 11 13:51:07 1997 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: quiet innit References: X-Mammoth-Status: Aware Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.89) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Uncle Bulgaria Date: 11 Mar 1997 13:41:25 +0000 In-Reply-To: Justin Skists's message of Tue, 11 Mar 1997 13:26:38 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.25/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 474 Lines: 14 Justin Skists writes: > > I think the reason why no-ones talking is because everyone's given up > with the SAMson project, all the other projects, and probably the SAM > herself... or hisself ... Lee. -- With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. [ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/rfc/rfc1925.txt.gz] From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 11 14:05:02 1997 From: Stephen Harding Message-Id: <199703111345.NAA02076@BITS.bris.ac.uk> Subject: Re: MAOS To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no (sam users) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 13:44:59 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 4806 Lines: 112 Sorry for the delay in replying, I have been a little dead recently. Jumping back to the Memmory Management system (MAOS) Thred... [ I suggested using a set of standard numbers in a memory allocation..] [ ..table to represent different types of memory usage] [ I only originally suggested this in passing while trying to introduce..] [ ..a much more important drivers/OS modules ideal] I continue... >>>> MY numbers are allocated by the >>>> ~~ >>>> programmer, COMET will not allocate B0 pages, but A0 pages as these >>>> are of type 'Other Code'. A program will not allocate arbitary page >>>> numbers! But the page numbers I stated in the original post. >>> >>> What is the use? >>> >> Good question. >> A valid answer has already been given though... >> To implement the prioritizing of memory usage. >> > I might be thick about this, but why do you want to do this? > Are you saying that if you start a new application and this one > finds out that there is not enough memory it can (or ask > the OS to) toss out an application with lower priority? > No, that is not what I am saying at all. I seem to be repeating myself too much. Why not simply read the original post I sent? permit me to quote myself... A new concept in the table is the entry I have labelled 'lowPriorityStorage', If there are no unused pages, this is the next type of page the OS will usually pick on (unless of course it is asked to allocate 'lowPriorityStorage' pages). This type would usually be used as a cache type memory for the web browser to remember the most recently visited sites, an extended keyboard memory, etc... Basically all of the stuff that's nice to have but is not important enough to give an out of memory problem. The interesting thing here is that it would be quite simple to design the entry points to give various priorities to the type of allocations destroyed to make room for the new ones. So, there is no need to deallocate all the memory used by your GUI applications just because you enter BASIC for a second to look something up, you can usually just pop straight back to the GUI and find you don't need to bother re-loading the applications you where using. But if your BASIC program got a bit big BASIC would enter the Allocation OS at such a point as to first look for unused pages, then the 'LowPriotiryPages' and then perhaps pick on the, 'relativelyunused' GUI ones because of the entry point used. Basically, YOU seem to be working on the concept of giving every page a priority number as later suggested by Simon, killing pages with a number lower than the one desired. This is not as good, unless of course you want to change these priority numbers all the time to represent the current usage of the system (i.e. reduce all GUI pages priority numbers when returning to BASIC). Simply having one 'lowprioritystorage' type of page usage would be much easier and more suitable in the real world. Other types of pages I originally suggested included 'GUI' pages, 'BASIC' pages, 'RAMDISC' pages, 'OTHERCODE' pages, 'UTILITIES' pages, 'OSMODULE' pages, 'SCREEN' pages, and of course 'UNUSED' pages. The Memory Mamagement system was in the form of a OS module, so the actual structure of the table is hidden from the programmer, who simply needs to use the standard entry points. So that later on in life we could easily improve it, make it more efficient, and add extra internal functionallity to make it work better. i.e. later we could add routines to avoid and correct fragmentation. That was one of the joys of the OS Modules as I suggested them. The early ones we write only need to implement the functionality, they can grow better internally as we get better. There is no real need to worry about writing the complicated 'free list' type internal structure used on other machines until a later date, the same functionallity (as far as the user is concerned) can be achieved with a much simpler internal structure for now. If this does not clear it up, let me know. >> This is silly, there is no real case in which an 'Other Code' program >> can be terminated illigally AND recognised as such. >> > Why not? There are millions OS' which implements this already. Because if you cast your mind back to the original post you would have read that this is the type given to unidentified programs launched from BASIC. BASIC can have no idea whether you intend to use the program again or not. I think perhaps you are getting confused with the GUI, where it is the GUI that needs to keep track of all its individual applications, the 'intelegence' to spot dead applications is best located in the GUIs multitasking system. C9 Numbly. (Trying to move the discussion away from the trivia that has occured while I have been away...) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 11 14:05:02 1997 From: Johnna Teare Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 13:50:43 GMT+0 Subject: Re: quiet innit X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <1FAF07672A7@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 966 Lines: 25 Hija, > I think the reason why no-ones talking is because everyone's given up > with the SAMson project, all the other projects, and probably the SAM > herself... > We should be asking ourselves WHY we have given up on the SAMSon project. Is it because of the SRAM vs z380 debate, or is it the realisation that we can't really make a difference in the PC World because of the dominence of Microsoft et al? If the SAMSon was built today and ready for sale tomorrow I'd buy one, but alas these things take time. And the SAM scene doesn't really have a lot of time methinks. (God I hate spreading doom and gloom all the time - is there nothing positive to talk about?) > -- > ============================================================================= > |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | Johnna Pig Teare (JohnnaPig@deathsdoor.com) JohnnaPig OnLine (www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna) "They call me Mad The Swine." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 11 14:05:04 1997 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: channel5 retuning - Reply References: <9703111335.AA09626@client28.comlab.ox.ac.uk> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.89) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Uncle Bulgaria Date: 11 Mar 1997 13:51:52 +0000 In-Reply-To: Ian Collier's message of Tue, 11 Mar 1997 13:35:53 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.25/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 745 Lines: 21 Ian Collier writes: > On 11 Mar 1997 13:20:59 +0000, Uncle Bulgaria said: > > I'm sure I read somewhere that it was intended to be on 36 hence why > > videos etc. needed to be retuned 'coz that's the frequency that they > > use. I think it was FORMAT years ago ... > > OK, but FORMAT isn't an official Channel 5 communication and someone > probably got it wrong and was passing on bad information. > Surely not ... Lee. -- With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. [ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/rfc/rfc1925.txt.gz] From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 11 14:20:24 1997 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: quiet innit References: <1FAF07672A7@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.89) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Uncle Bulgaria Date: 11 Mar 1997 14:10:23 +0000 In-Reply-To: Johnna Teare's message of Tue, 11 Mar 1997 13:50:43 GMT+0 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.25/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 413 Lines: 14 Johnna Teare writes: > > (God I hate spreading doom and gloom all the time - is there nothing > positive to talk about?) > Cations ? -- With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. [ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/rfc/rfc1925.txt.gz] From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 11 14:38:02 1997 From: Stephen Harding Message-Id: <199703111407.OAA02413@BITS.bris.ac.uk> Subject: Re: trivia time To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no (sam users) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 14:07:42 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2086 Lines: 52 > Your memory manager idea -- fine, builds on the existing sam one. The > existing SAM one isn't very good for any kind of serious work. > > Why not save memory, and instead of allocating program types for each > block, have 4 blocks -- one for FLASH RAM, one for ROM, one for > allocated memory, and one for empty memory spaces. Each one is a bitmap - ie > 1 bit set per type present. Why do you need to specify if something belongs > to the GUI in your system? You've argued against giving individual programs > their own specifiers -- so why give the GUI its own one? This had already been answered by someone else when you sent the post (according to the date stamp anyway! ;o) We have no idea where we will map the various different types of memory! A bit of ROM, then some RAM, a bit of ROM, them some FLASH etc... Unpleasant but true. It would also help us handle the FLASH better. You state the fact that Flash often needs to have big sections re-written at a time. This is irrelevent, and does not effect the contents or usage considering that the ammount changed at at time is very likely to be a multiple of our page entry size anyway. How does the Z88 manipulate its re-writeable memory? It looks at it in terms of files if I remember rightly, but how does it manipulate it? As for the rest of the questions, you seem to keep changing your mind as to the structure YOU want! > Let me know your background -- what you've done on various things, any > qualifications, so that I know better where you're coming from. > > Simon I am simply a 2nd year computer scientist at Bristol Uni. I really enjoy using my SAM but have always prefered the Spectrum, for more reasons than can justifiably listed here. My motivation here is to make the SAMSON a better (i.e. more British (perhaps a dodgy thing to say on this list, but it is the best word I can think of to describe what I mean)) computer. I see no point in bragging, as I read this question to request, So I intend to dodge it again. Sorry, Numbly. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 11 14:38:02 1997 Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 15:33:56 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9703111433.AA27810@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: MAOS X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 6142 Lines: 145 > Sorry for the delay in replying, I have been a little dead recently. > > Jumping back to the Memmory Management system (MAOS) Thred... > > > [ I suggested using a set of standard numbers in a memory allocation..] > [ ..table to represent different types of memory usage] > > [ I only originally suggested this in passing while trying to introduce..] > [ ..a much more important drivers/OS modules ideal] Let me see if I can remember this.. > > I might be thick about this, but why do you want to do this? > > Are you saying that if you start a new application and this one > > finds out that there is not enough memory it can (or ask > > the OS to) toss out an application with lower priority? > > > No, that is not what I am saying at all. > I seem to be repeating myself too much. Why not simply read the original > post I sent? I did read it - that's why I'm all confused. :) > > permit me to quote myself... > > A new concept in the table is the entry I have labelled > 'lowPriorityStorage', If there are no unused pages, this is the next type > of page the OS will usually pick on (unless of course it is asked to > allocate 'lowPriorityStorage' pages). This type would usually be used as > a cache type memory for the web browser to remember the most recently > visited sites, an extended keyboard memory, etc... Basically all of the > stuff that's nice to have but is not important enough to give an out of > memory problem. > > > The interesting thing here is that it would be quite simple to design the > entry points to give various priorities to the type of allocations > destroyed to make room for the new ones. So, there is no need to > deallocate all the memory used by your GUI applications just because you > enter BASIC for a second to look something up, you can usually just pop > straight back to the GUI and find you don't need to bother re-loading the > applications you where using. But if your BASIC program got a bit big > BASIC would enter the Allocation OS at such a point as to first look for > unused pages, then the 'LowPriotiryPages' and then perhaps pick on the, > 'relativelyunused' GUI ones because of the entry point used. I think I'm getting this now. You want a system where a process can allocat some 'normal' memory for itself and then some 'lowpriority' memory for something not very important. However, if another process comes along and wants some 'normal' memory and there is nothing (or too little) free, the OS takes the first and best 'lowpriority' memory it can lay it's addressing lines on? Aren't you here forgetting that the first process will have pointers to areas of memory which then is not its? That's called segmentation fault. :) > > > Basically, YOU seem to be working on the concept of giving every page a > priority number as later suggested by Simon, killing pages with a number > lower than the one desired. This is not as good, unless of course you want > to change these priority numbers all the time to represent the current > usage of the system (i.e. reduce all GUI pages priority numbers when > returning to BASIC). No. I don't see the use of a priority system for memory. Either it's free or it's used. If the user want's to start an application where there is not enough memory for it, the user should terminate the processes he does want. Instead of haveing a priority system I'd like a virtual memory system. This way any user can have as much memory as he'd like by adding more disk. ;) > > > Simply having one 'lowprioritystorage' type of page usage would be much > easier and more suitable in the real world. Other types of pages I > originally suggested included > 'GUI' pages, 'BASIC' pages, 'RAMDISC' pages, 'OTHERCODE' pages, > 'UTILITIES' pages, 'OSMODULE' pages, 'SCREEN' pages, and of course > 'UNUSED' pages. > > The Memory Mamagement system was in the form of a OS module, so the actual > structure of the table is hidden from the programmer, who simply needs to > use the standard entry points. So that later on in life we could easily > improve it, make it more efficient, and add extra internal functionallity > to make it work better. i.e. later we could add routines to avoid > and correct fragmentation. > That was one of the joys of the OS Modules as I suggested them. The early > ones we write only need to implement the functionality, they can grow > better internally as we get better. There is no real need to worry about > writing the complicated 'free list' type internal structure used on other > machines until a later date, the same functionallity (as far as the user > is concerned) can be achieved with a much simpler internal structure for > now. > > > If this does not clear it up, let me know. Let me know if I still haven't got it. :) > > > >> This is silly, there is no real case in which an 'Other Code' program > >> can be terminated illigally AND recognised as such. > >> > > Why not? There are millions OS' which implements this already. > > Because if you cast your mind back to the original post you would have > read that this is the type given to unidentified programs launched from > BASIC. BASIC can have no idea whether you intend to use the program again > or not. 'Terminated illegally' means that it will never run again from that segment of memory. A BASIC program can never terminate illegally as it is interpreted. If it does, it's the interpreter which does that - and hopefully it won't as it should be fool-proof. I am not talking about file-types or anything like that. I'm talking about a process which goes astray, plays havoc, crashes, beats the dust, whatever. > > I think perhaps you are getting confused with the GUI, where it is the > GUI that needs to keep track of all its individual applications, the > 'intelegence' to spot dead applications is best located in the GUIs > multitasking system. Nononononono....the GUI should be a process itself. What happens if the GUI goes to hell? Total caos! > > > C9 > Numbly. > > (Trying to move the discussion away from the trivia that has occured while > I have been away...) > -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 11 14:46:53 1997 From: James R Curry Organization: De Montfort University To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 14:44:57 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: SRAM vs. Z380 arguments X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.50) Message-ID: <91BCD46F57@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 705 Lines: 24 Look, when we have one of these massive disagreements, why don't we - A) Discuss the matter throughly for a week or so ^^^ We've done that bit to death B) Then VOTE on it. It would give everyone their say, and also make a final decesion, so that the project can advance. Which let's face it - isn't happening at the moment. -- James R Curry hc95jc@dmu.ac.uk "When Marge first told me she was going to the police academy, I thought it'd be fun and exciting, you know, like that movie, 'Spaceballs'. But instead it's been painful and disturbing like that movie 'Police Academy'." - Homer Simpson, the Simpsons. The official James R Curry web page is under construction! Stand by. From imc Tue Mar 11 14:47:42 1997 Subject: Re: MAOS To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 14:47:42 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <199703111345.NAA02076@BITS.bris.ac.uk> from "Stephen Harding" at Mar 11, 97 01:44:59 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 277 Lines: 8 On Tue, 11 Mar 1997 13:44:59 +0000 (GMT), Stephen Harding said: > I seem to be repeating myself too much. Why not simply read the original > post I sent? Oh, I think I know this one. Is it: "because you write such a load of waffle that it isn't worth the effort"? :-) imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 11 15:04:41 1997 Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 09:51:08 EST From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: MAOS Message-Id: <19970311145304Z49193-250+956@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2592 Lines: 64 Date: 1997-03-11 14:50 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >Subject: Re: MAOS > >> Sorry for the delay in replying, I have been a little dead recently. >> >> Jumping back to the Memmory Management system (MAOS) Thred... >> >> The interesting thing here is that it would be quite simple to design the >> entry points to give various priorities to the type of allocations >> destroyed to make room for the new ones. So, there is no need to >> deallocate all the memory used by your GUI applications just because you >> enter BASIC for a second to look something up, you can usually just pop >> straight back to the GUI and find you don't need to bother re-loading the >> applications you where using. But if your BASIC program got a bit big >> BASIC would enter the Allocation OS at such a point as to first look for >> unused pages, then the 'LowPriotiryPages' and then perhaps pick on the, >> 'relativelyunused' GUI ones because of the entry point used. > >I think I'm getting this now. You want a system where a process can >allocat some 'normal' memory for itself and then some 'lowpriority' >memory for something not very important. However, if another >process comes along and wants some 'normal' memory and there is >nothing (or too little) free, the OS takes the first and best >'lowpriority' memory it can lay it's addressing lines on? > >Aren't you here forgetting that the first process will have pointers >to areas of memory which then is not its? That's called segmentation >fault. :) and should cause the required page to be brought back from the disk. > >> >> >> Basically, YOU seem to be working on the concept of giving every page a >> priority number as later suggested by Simon, killing pages with a number >> lower than the one desired. This is not as good, unless of course you want >> to change these priority numbers all the time to represent the current >> usage of the system (i.e. reduce all GUI pages priority numbers when >> returning to BASIC). > >No. I don't see the use of a priority system for memory. Either it's >free or it's used. If the user want's to start an application where >there is not enough memory for it, the user should terminate the >processes he does want. > >Instead of haveing a priority system I'd like a virtual memory system. >This way any user can have as much memory as he'd like by adding more >disk. ;) > agreed. use disk when no mem is available. System may thrash. but it should keep going. Nev. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 11 15:04:47 1997 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SRAM vs. Z380 arguments References: <91BCD46F57@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.89) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Uncle Bulgaria Date: 11 Mar 1997 14:56:46 +0000 In-Reply-To: "James R Curry"'s message of Tue, 11 Mar 1997 14:44:57 GMT Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.25/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 680 Lines: 22 "James R Curry" writes: > Look, when we have one of these massive disagreements, why don't we - > > A) Discuss the matter throughly for a week or so > > ^^^ > We've done that bit to death > > B) Then VOTE on it. > Yeah, three cheers for democracy. This is the best idea I've heard in ages, AS LONG AS everyone agrees to abide by the vote, and not go off in a sulk as I suspect some would ... Lee. -- With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. [ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/rfc/rfc1925.txt.gz] From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 11 15:25:57 1997 Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 10:14:29 EST From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: SRAM vs. Z380 arguments Message-Id: <19970311151548Z49193-250+958@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 675 Lines: 25 Date: 1997-03-11 15:15 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Subject: Re: SRAM vs. Z380 arguments >From: Uncle Bulgaria >Date: 11 Mar 1997 14:56:46 +0000 > >"James R Curry" writes: > >> Look, when we have one of these massive disagreements, why don't we - .> >> A) Discuss the matter throughly for a week or so >> >> ccc >> >> B) Then VOTE on it. >> > >Yeah, three cheers for democracy. This is the best idea I've heard in >ages, AS LONG AS everyone agrees to abide by the vote, and not go off >in a sulk as I suspect some would ... > I suspect some /already/ have From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 11 16:05:04 1997 Subject: Re: trivia time To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 15:42:25 +0000 (GMT) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <199703111407.OAA02413@BITS.bris.ac.uk> from "Stephen Harding" at Mar 11, 97 02:07:42 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <19970311154312Z49193-250+961@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 3163 Lines: 71 > We have no idea where we will map the various different types of memory! A > bit of ROM, then some RAM, a bit of ROM, them some FLASH etc... > Unpleasant but true. Right... here goes: Bottom of memory map: FLash ROM[128kb], 8kb boot block (read only, written at factory), 4kb parameter area, 108kb read/slow write ROM. Above this is all the RAM. Above that is processor access only ROM (highest bit of address bus set, or something like that - we don't have enough room for all the address pins anyway, going out on the 96 pin euroconnector). So, we've got 128K of ROM that we don't need to allocate for -- maybe 256k (double above figures for allocatioN) if we're using the 16bit bus for speed. Mind you, this ROM will be 120ns access, so we might want to copy it all to RAM on boot, and page the RAM down to address zero, with hardware protection. Therefore, the only thing we have to worry about is allocating the RAM space. WIth something like 4Gb address space, we won't worry about missing half of that for ROM space... SImple now: we just allocate for RAM. > It would also help us handle the FLASH better. You state the fact that > Flash often needs to have big sections re-written at a time. This is > irrelevent, and does not effect the contents or usage considering that the > ammount changed at at time is very likely to be a multiple of our page > entry size anyway. How much experience do you have working with FLASH RAM/ROM? I'd love to know. > How does the Z88 manipulate its re-writeable memory? It looks at it in > terms of files if I remember rightly, but how does it manipulate it? Sector blocks of something like 32kb I think... > > As for the rest of the questions, you seem to keep changing your mind as > to the structure YOU want! Fine -- in that case, just program it the way you want it and be done with it. Frankly, I'#m trying to come up with as flexible a system as I can, but I've not yet decided the data structures needed for it. A page -only allocation system can only lead to problem -- fine if you want to alloate from the unused pool, but malloc''ing things is important. Besides, if you want to be able to allocate pages, you don't want to specify their usage anyway -- this should be reserved for the malloc/free routines... > > > Let me know your background -- what you've done on various things, any > > qualifications, so that I know better where you're coming from. > > > > Simon > > > I am simply a 2nd year computer scientist at Bristol Uni. I really enjoy > using my SAM but have always prefered the Spectrum, for more reasons than > can justifiably listed here. > > My motivation here is to make the SAMSON a better (i.e. more British > (perhaps a dodgy thing to say on this list, but it is the best word I can > think of to describe what I mean)) computer. > > I see no point in bragging, as I read this question to request, > So I intend to dodge it again. No, what I wanted to know was how much experience you have programming things at this low a level -- ie opertating system design and hardware interfacing. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 11 16:05:04 1997 Subject: Flash ROM... To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 15:50:13 +0000 (GMT) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <19970311155100Z49193-250+962@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1315 Lines: 28 Just a little idea for a revised version of the SRAM... USe the IBM Flash ROM, which I've come across in the most recent Farnell's catalogue... 120ns access time, 8kb boot block (written at the factory, can then be set to read only -- gives us a fixed base for routines to lock into), 4kb parameter area (a la CMOS in PC's), 116Kb read/write ROM. One of the functions of the boot block would be to perform an integrity check on the ROM -- simple 16-bit / 32-bit CRC should do the job nicely. Lots more stable than static RAM, and at 8.98UKP per single unit (cheaper by a few pennies for larger orders), it's a nice price -- much nicer than the 50 quid for an equivallent SRAM chip. Not only that, but it's perfect for our purposes. No battery back-up needed either. If we specify the pin-out for the middle row of the 96-pin euroconnector, we can then use this from the start, ,and it'll be compatible with the Z380 when we get it running. (WE'll need to stick a jumper on the boot-block write-protect to allow a re=program for the Z380 version though). Two of these chips, running in parallel, with a jumper-configurable address space would do the job nicely, I reckon. The only hard part then is adding in the paging logic for the Z80 version... Catalogue number and circuit coming soon. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 11 16:56:16 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <14066.199703111643@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: SRAM vs. Z380 arguments To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 16:12:15 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <91BCD46F57@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> from "James R Curry" at Mar 11, 97 02:44:57 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 129 Lines: 7 > B) Then VOTE on it. Ah - but according to Bob, this isn't a voting thing. It appears to be his decision or nothing... Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 11 16:56:17 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <14376.199703111646@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: quiet innit To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 16:15:54 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: from "Uncle Bulgaria" at Mar 11, 97 01:15:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 89 Lines: 6 > > Please don't do that again, or I'll be forced to kill you... Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 11 17:05:20 1997 Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 16:56:38 +0000 (GMT) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@ibis.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Flash ROM... In-Reply-To: <19970311155100Z49193-250+962@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1318 Lines: 25 On Tue, 11 Mar 1997, Simon Cooke wrote: > Just a little idea for a revised version of the SRAM... > > USe the IBM Flash ROM, which I've come across in the most recent > Farnell's catalogue... 120ns access time, 8kb boot block (written at the > factory, can then be set to read only -- gives us a fixed base for > routines to lock into), 4kb parameter area (a la CMOS in PC's), 116Kb > read/write ROM. One of the functions of the boot block would be to > perform an integrity check on the ROM -- simple 16-bit / 32-bit CRC > should do the job nicely. Why not use the AMD 5v Flash ROMS? Smallest is 128K, don't need to worry about 12v programming voltage and they are a hell of a lot faster than that IBM one up there - I know it's less than 80ns (some maybe downto 55ns). I'll check the AMD Flashrom databook when i get home tonight and give you part-numbers, specs and Farnell (urgh) stock codes if you like.. -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 11 17:05:20 1997 Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 16:59:17 +0000 (GMT) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@ibis.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SRAM vs. Z380 arguments In-Reply-To: <14066.199703111643@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 680 Lines: 18 On Tue, 11 Mar 1997, Mr P R Walker wrote: > > > B) Then VOTE on it. > > Ah - but according to Bob, this isn't a voting thing. It appears to be > his decision or nothing... We're not going down that path again, are we? If so, I'll have to find my sam-users.txt and unsubscribe... -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 11 17:09:50 1997 Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 17:04:53 +0000 (GMT) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@ibis.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SRAM vs. Z380 arguments In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1095 Lines: 29 On 11 Mar 1997, Uncle Bulgaria wrote: > "James R Curry" writes: > > > Look, when we have one of these massive disagreements, why don't we - > > > > A) Discuss the matter throughly for a week or so > > > > ^^^ > > We've done that bit to death > > > > B) Then VOTE on it. > > > > Yeah, three cheers for democracy. This is the best idea I've heard in > ages, AS LONG AS everyone agrees to abide by the vote, and not go off > in a sulk as I suspect some would ... OK.. Both the SRAM and Z380 camps are split into two. So, we need for groups of people working on the four projects and I'll pick the best ones, win the lottery, and take over the world.. :) How's that? -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 11 17:47:09 1997 Subject: SAM IDE Interface To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 17:37:43 +0000 (GMT) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <19970311174004Z49158-250+971@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 148 Lines: 6 Dear Nev, Could you tell me the ports used to drive the IDE interface? I intend to start using it for playing around with CD-ROM accesS :) Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 11 17:47:09 1997 From: Gavin Smith Organization: University of Ulster To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 17:50:14 GMT Subject: Re: SAM IDE Interface X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <1AF27827D46@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 214 Lines: 8 > Dear Nev, > > Could you tell me the ports used to drive the IDE interface? I intend to > start using it for playing around with CD-ROM accesS :) > > Simon /me runs over to Simon and gives him a little hug :) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 11 18:45:26 1997 Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 18:30:32 GMT Message-Id: <199703111830.SAA19415@pipe1.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: quiet innit From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) Cc: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-PipeUser: samsboss X-PipeHub: uk.pipeline.com X-PipeGCOS: (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 779 Lines: 31 On Mar 11, 1997 12:39:31, 'Uncle Bulgaria ' wrote: >"YOUNG Neville, IT Life" writes: >> >> Where is every body. >> It's awful quiet here today. >> > >Well I'm busy doing coursework and there hasn't been much for me to >comment on recently ... > >> dons sou'wester and waits for flood of mail. >> > >SAM sucks. Yep, but Samantha sucks better... > > dons fireman's outfit and awaits the flames ! > > >-- >With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not >a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, >and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. >[ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/rfc/rfc1925.txt.gz] -- Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 11 18:45:26 1997 Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 18:32:47 GMT Message-Id: <199703111832.SAA19476@pipe1.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: quiet innit From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) Cc: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-PipeUser: samsboss X-PipeHub: uk.pipeline.com X-PipeGCOS: (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 440 Lines: 21 On Mar 11, 1997 13:26:38, 'Justin Skists ' wrote: >On 11 Mar 1997, Uncle Bulgaria wrote: > >> > >{snipo} >> > >I hate that song.. (and that singer).. > >I think the reason why no-ones talking is because everyone's given up >with the SAMson project, all the other projects, and probably the SAM >herself... > >-- A pox on you for even raising the idea :( Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 11 18:54:22 1997 Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 18:42:30 GMT Message-Id: <199703111842.SAA19707@pipe1.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SRAM vs. Z380 arguments From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) Cc: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-PipeUser: samsboss X-PipeHub: uk.pipeline.com X-PipeGCOS: (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1041 Lines: 35 On Mar 11, 1997 14:56:46, 'Uncle Bulgaria ' wrote: >"James R Curry" writes: > >> Look, when we have one of these massive disagreements, why don't we - >> >> A) Discuss the matter throughly for a week or so >> >> ^^^ >> We've done that bit to death >> >> B) Then VOTE on it. >> > >Yeah, three cheers for democracy. This is the best idea I've heard in >ages, AS LONG AS everyone agrees to abide by the vote, and not go off >in a sulk as I suspect some would ... > >Lee. Is it democracy where you vote for something and then expect someone else to pay for it? Its just that I know from talking to Nev that some things are being held up at the moment because of the uncertainty over the SRAM card. The SAM Clock is also held up because of what has now been three months of argument. To keep costs down I thought the idea was to produce the SRAM boards at the same time as the SAM Clock and possibly a couple of others. -- Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 11 19:06:30 1997 From: Johnna Teare Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 18:54:27 GMT+0 Subject: Uploading to the NVG FTP X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <20003E54478@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 658 Lines: 19 Hokay then, this is the second time I've asked... I've got 13 issues of SAM2SAM which I can teledisk down and upload to the FTP if people would like, but I need to know how to do so. I've got an FTP client and try to do an anonymous login with my email address, but the damn thing keeps asking me for a password. So what now? I'm sure there are a few others on the list who would like to know how to do things like this because the more stuff that is up there, the more likely we as a list are to use it! Any help appreciated. Johnna Pig Teare (JohnnaPig@deathsdoor.com) JohnnaPig OnLine (www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna) "They call me Mad The Swine." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 11 19:06:30 1997 Subject: Re: SRAM vs. Z380 arguments To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 19:00:18 +0000 (GMT) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <199703111842.SAA19707@pipe1.uk.pipeline.com> from "Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com" at Mar 11, 97 06:42:30 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <19970311190105Z49193-250+974@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 789 Lines: 22 > >Yeah, three cheers for democracy. This is the best idea I've heard in > >ages, AS LONG AS everyone agrees to abide by the vote, and not go off > >in a sulk as I suspect some would ... > > > >Lee. > > Is it democracy where you vote for something and then expect someone else > to pay for it? Oh, come on... take the Z380 board as an example... Martin Rookyard and myself have spent at least 220UKP on building the prototype -- Static RAM ain't cheap. Besides, all this inaction and not enough action is what I think. If people think that they can work on it, let them. Let everyone split off into groups working on something and just maybe we'll get something out of it. I'm sick of the amount of bickering and lack of people willing to do the work on this list. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 11 19:06:30 1997 Subject: SERIAL COMMS ON THE SAM To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 19:02:08 +0000 (GMT) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <19970311190231Z49203-250+976@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 391 Lines: 12 Anyone interested in programming for the Gemini interface (find it on ftp.nvg.ntnu.no) or the original SAM comms interface should have a look on: http://www.farnell.co.uk/uk Go into "Free technical support and datasheets". You'll need Adobe acrobat to view the files. Search for: SCC2691 - original SAM SCC2692 - Gemini board (make sure you get the docs for the 40 pin version!) Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 11 19:10:58 1997 From: Gavin Smith Organization: University of Ulster To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 19:14:20 GMT Subject: Re: Uploading to the NVG FTP X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <1B08E492597@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 394 Lines: 9 > Hokay then, this is the second time I've asked... > > I've got 13 issues of SAM2SAM which I can teledisk down and upload to > the FTP if people would like, but I need to know how to do so. > > I've got an FTP client and try to do an anonymous login with my email > address, but the damn thing keeps asking me for a password. Umm, just have "anonymous" as your login and as your password From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 11 19:38:57 1997 From: Johnna Teare Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 19:29:42 GMT+0 Subject: Re: SRAM vs. Z380 arguments X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <20081730620@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 556 Lines: 16 > Is it democracy where you vote for something and then expect someone else > to pay for it? > That is a valid and fair point, but at least by having a vote, Bob (or whoever's project we were voting upon) would be able to test the water and see what kind of reaction the SAM users will give a project. At the end of the day, nothing is achieved if somebody produces a product that nobody wants. > Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com > Johnna Pig Teare (JohnnaPig@deathsdoor.com) JohnnaPig OnLine (www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna) "They call me Mad The Swine." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 11 19:38:57 1997 Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 19:31:58 +0000 (GMT) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@ibis.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Uploading to the NVG FTP In-Reply-To: <1B08E492597@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1021 Lines: 23 On Tue, 11 Mar 1997, Gavin Smith wrote: > > Hokay then, this is the second time I've asked... > > > > I've got 13 issues of SAM2SAM which I can teledisk down and upload to > > the FTP if people would like, but I need to know how to do so. > > > > I've got an FTP client and try to do an anonymous login with my email > > address, but the damn thing keeps asking me for a password. > > Umm, just have "anonymous" as your login and as your password Type bin, lcd to the directory of the files you want to upload, cd to the upload directory, hash so you know whether it's crashed or not, and then mput *.* or whatever.. -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | =============================================================================