From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 31 20:37:36 1997 Message-Id: <199703311920.VAA11919@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: Where's the pages Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 09:19:09 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 465 Lines: 16 > Van: Paul Lacey > Aan: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Onderwerp: Where's the pages > Datum: Monday, March 31, 1997 8:25 > > Can anyone mail me ASAP with Unc's SAM Scrapbook's address? > > Cheers [http://www.mono.org/~unc/] But I only got a "The requested item could not be loaded by the proxy." :( Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] [http://www.caiw.nl/~rjvveeke/hentai2.htm] Hentai Oranda -- may the bandwidth be with you -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 1 11:33:03 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970401102918.00927810@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 10:29:18 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Discovery (and a half) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2230 Lines: 63 Hi everyone, I got back from Wales last night, and was hacking around on my SAM, just playing around with the hardware, and I discovered some interesting facts. The "single pixel in the border" trick, which comes about because of internal timings in the ASIC, isn't the only trick you can play with the hardware. Let me elucidate: The single pixel trick works this way: Set the border color to bright white (127 in the clut), say position zero is white. Now, do this: LD A,0 OUT (BORDER),A LD A,128 OUT (BORDER),A LD A,0 OUT (BORDER),A LD A,128 OUT (BORDER),A This will give a large bar of white, and a single white pixel (half mode-3 pixel width) in the border area. AFAICR, Andy Collier has used this in one of his demos. No great shakes there. However, there are similar mis-timing tricks that you can do. One of these occurs on the bottom border (end of line 191). Turning the screen off in the last 4 T-states of this line, and turning it back on again, starts the display again from the top line of the screen. The vertical fly-back interrupt resets the display back to normal. This allows you to display extra screen information in the border area! (The timing, however, has to be exact: recommend setting up a Line Interrupt for line 190, then setting one up for line 191, and HALTing until it occurs...) FLAIR LOOP technique: This involves outputting data to the CLUT and MODE 3 color selection port (HMPR, upper two bits). If the upper-most bit of the CLUT is set, then in mode 4, extra luminance information is generated for the green and red bits using the HMPR port values: XMPR COL1 COL0 PAGE5 PAGE4 PAGE3 PAGE2 PAGE1 COL0 becomes the least-significant blue bit, and COL1 becomes the least-significant green bit. The bright bit in the CLUT now becomes the lest-significant red bit. Fishing around a bit may provide a way of generating more colors. That's it - apart from an old(ish) trick of providing single scan-line scrolling -- which involves outputting WHITE to the border during a FRAME interrupt on alternate frames -- this tricks Phillips monitors into interlacing the picture, as the white value saturates the sync information. Needs to be using composite video though... Happy easter Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 1 11:33:04 1997 Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 12:05:04 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9704011005.AA09232@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: MAOS X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2971 Lines: 75 > >> What is the point in the low priority pages? Surely the hassels with > >> processes having to find out if they still own them would outweigh the > >> advantages? > > > > Does it? You have to remember that this chech has to be performed for > > EACH other memory access, effectively doubling the memory access of any > > given process (which has 'lowpri' memory). Remember, you can never > > know that a different process has grabed controll of the CPU and > > done some memory gymnastics. > > ! > Sounds like a very 'PC' solution. This 'type' of memory will be used > mainly in the GUI, where different applications are to rotate and do their > jobs in a 'round-robin' sort of ordering. Simply check at the beginning > of an applications turn if it still controls the page. In that turn it > could use the page as much as it desired. > A 1 cycle delay could be installed between a request for the page and its > reuse. Now you just move this check out of the application and into the MAOS. Wasn't the whole idea that you wanted the application to know what typ of memory it was addressing? And why do you insist on only multitasking the GUI applications? > > > > { virtual memory stuff } > >> Using virtual memory you could end up with the situation where, say, a > >> database creates a new view of a database to speed up access time and > >> ends up reading it off the disc all of the time! > > >> If we implement such memory I don't think we should try and hide the > >> nature of the memory from the application in the way other machines > >> strive to. It's nature may make a difference to the way the > >> applications go about doing things. > > > >Why should it. It's the OS (or MAOS as you call it :) > > I used the term MAOS to refer to the 'Memory Management OS module' not the > whole operating system. To me it's a whole. :) > > > job to control the memory. If the application should treat different > > 'types' of memory differently, we'll end up with dosens of > > implementatios of it. > > No simple == safe! > > The nature of the memory a program is on or in reciept of should be made > known to the program if it wants to know. > > All I think we need is a single bit to state whether the memory is 'real' > or virtual memory. The program could request this bit by calling some MAOS > function and use it to ensure it doesn't do anything stupid such as the > example above. > > > It is not a radical difference in implementation, just a more realistic ideal. But why does the application want to know that? Should it change behaviour depending on what type of memory it is using? > Numbly. > On a completely different issue. I have just spoken to Bob and he informed me that Microsoft has bought the rights to present and future SAM technology for use in their NC package for 250.000 punds. This means that we probably won't be able to make a compatible SamSon anyway and that Bob has become a very wealthy man.... -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 1 12:36:49 1997 X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L NL @ C&L INT @ C&L INT EXTERNAL @ WORLDCOM @ OUTBOUND From: Stefan Drissen To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Message-ID: <8625646C.003F6D91.00@internet-501.interliant.com> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 13:25:52 +0200 Subject: Re: MAOS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1384 Lines: 47 >On a completely different issue. I have just spoken to Bob and he informed >me that Microsoft has bought the rights to present and future SAM >technology for use in their NC package for 250.000 punds. This means >that we probably won't be able to make a compatible SamSon anyway and >that Bob has become a very wealthy man.... > >-Frode Depends on the exchange rate of the pund I suppose - last time I checked it was going at the same price as a grain of salt... Stefan Or did it just happen to be april first today? **************************************** This document should only be read by those persons to whom it is addressed and is not intended to be relied upon by any person without subsequent written confirmation of its contents. Accordingly, Coopers & Lybrand disclaim all responsibility and accept no liability (including in negligence) for the consequences for any person acting, or refraining from acting, on such information prior to the receipt by those persons of subsequent written confirmation. If you have received this E-mail message in error, please notify us immediately by telephone. Please also destroy and delete the message from your computer. 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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 1 18:09:44 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970401163847.00924490@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 16:38:47 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Uploading to NVG In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 323 Lines: 14 At 03:08 PM 4/1/97 +0000, you wrote: >Status: > >I have just discovered that my rotten employer blocks uploads to all but 2 external >sites and I have 620K of stuff to send to NVG. > >If I email a ZIP, could some kind soul stick them in the incoming directory? > >Dan. Sure, no problem. Email them to sc@sss.co.uk. Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 2 16:45:07 1997 Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 10:41:15 -0500 (EST) From: BillRitman@aol.com Message-ID: <970402104041_921806141@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Uploading to NVG Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 165 Lines: 8 Not wishing to look stupid, but I am. Could someone tell me what NVG is, and what is there? My guess is an FTP site but is there much there for Sam users? Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 2 16:55:40 1997 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 16:49:21 +0000 From: Dan Doore To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Uploading to NVG - Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 192 Lines: 7 The FTP site is ftp.nvg.ntnu.no and is the repository for Sam stuff, have a look in pub/sam-coupe. Other handy Sam resources can be found on Tim's Sam Pages at www.mono.org/~unc/Coupe/ Dan. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 7 18:56:50 1997 Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 17:35:51 GMT Message-Id: <199704071735.RAA01604@pipe1.uk.pipeline.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Long Holiday From: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) Cc: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-PipeUser: samsboss X-PipeHub: uk.pipeline.com X-PipeGCOS: (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) X-Mailer: Pipeline v3.5.0 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 298 Lines: 12 I don't know, I keep my head down for a week to get some work done, and come back expecting 2 or 3 thousand messages in my in tray. But what do I find? ZILCH!!! Don't tell me everyone has gone on holiday - I can't be the only one in work. Anyone out there? -- Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 7 20:08:00 1997 Message-ID: <33493F92.16CD@ndirect.co.uk> Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 19:40:19 +0100 From: Neville Young Organization: X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Long Holiday References: <199704071735.RAA01604@pipe1.uk.pipeline.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 776 Lines: 27 Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com wrote: > > I don't know, I keep my head down for a week to get some work done, and > come back expecting 2 or 3 thousand messages in my in tray. > > But what do I find? ZILCH!!! > > Don't tell me everyone has gone on holiday - I can't be the only one in > work. > > Anyone out there? > -- > > Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com Husssssshhhhhh They're all sleeping. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | | Home arivyyrl@aqverpg.pb.hx | | This site is levitated by | Work tou3exae@vozznvy.pbz | | superconducting magnets. | http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~nevilley/homepage| ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 8 10:01:06 1997 Message-Id: <199704080848.KAA00303@dxmint.cern.ch> From: Allan Skillman Subject: Re: Long Holiday To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 8 Apr 97 10:48:09 METDST In-Reply-To: <199704071735.RAA01604@pipe1.uk.pipeline.com>; from "Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com" at Apr 7, 97 5:35 pm Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 920 Lines: 19 > Don't tell me everyone has gone on holiday - I can't be the only one in > work. > > Anyone out there? Well I'm here. For people who work at Universities the student vacations are the time when most of the work gets done! Allan +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Now available! SimCoupe, the one and only SAM Coupe emulator | | *** http://www.hep.ucl.ac.uk/~ajs/simcoupe/simcoupe_distr.html *** | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ | Allan Skillman | "There are five flavours of resons, the | | HEPP Group | elementary particles of magic : up, down, | | University College London | sideways, sex-appeal and peppermint." | | Email : ajs@hep.ucl.ac.uk | - Terry Pratchett (Lords and Ladies) | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 8 11:12:36 1997 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 05:40:36 EDT From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Advert for nvg Message-Id: <19970408094103Z49164-27987+2330@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 292 Lines: 11 Date: 1997-04-08 10:36 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Did any one else notice that planet sinclair on nvg got on the 'best web sites' poster recently given out as a cover poster with PC Direct. We might get famous after all. Nev. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 8 16:33:04 1997 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Long Holiday References: <199704071735.RAA01604@pipe1.uk.pipeline.com> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware From: Uncle Bulgaria Date: 08 Apr 1997 15:41:27 +0100 In-Reply-To: samsboss@uk.pipeline.com's message of Mon, 7 Apr 1997 17:35:51 GMT Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.40/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 738 Lines: 21 samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) writes: > I don't know, I keep my head down for a week to get some work done, and > come back expecting 2 or 3 thousand messages in my in tray. > > But what do I find? ZILCH!!! > > Don't tell me everyone has gone on holiday - I can't be the only one in > work. > > Anyone out there? How very ethereal, you can just imagine the echoes bouncing back and forth across the ether (Or maybe I've just lost the plot completely!) Lee. -- With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. [ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/rfc/rfc1925.txt.gz] From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 8 17:37:03 1997 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 12:30:17 EDT From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FW: Long Holiday Message-Id: <19970408163129Z49163-27987+2401@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1128 Lines: 45 Date: 1997-04-08 17:27 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSG:FROM: I7207445--IBMMAIL TO: NYOUNG1 --RLLAN1 08/04/97 16:24:58 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >Subject: Re: Long Holiday >From: Uncle Bulgaria >Date: 08 Apr 1997 15:41:27 +0100 > >samsboss@uk.pipeline.com (Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com) writes: > >> I don't know, I keep my head down for a week to get some work done, and >> come back expecting 2 or 3 thousand messages in my in tray. >> >> But what do I find? ZILCH]]] >> >> Don't tell me everyone has gone on holiday - I can't be the only one in >> work. >> >> Anyone out there? > >How very ethereal, you can just imagine the echoes bouncing back and >forth across the ether (Or maybe I've just lost the plot completely]) > ping ................... ping ................... ping ................... ping ................... ping ................... ping ................. pom ping ....... pom ping .. pom ping pom aaarrrruuuuggggaaaahh aaarrrruuuuggggaaaahh dive ] dive ] dive ] depth charges at 60 fathoms. nev From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 8 18:57:49 1997 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: sskardon@argonet.co.uk (Stewart Skardon) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Cc: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 7 Apr 97 19:48:39 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Long Holiday Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 918 Lines: 35 On Mon 7 Apr 97 (17:35:51), samsboss@uk.pipeline.com, samsboss@uk.pipeline.com wrote: >I don't know, I keep my head down for a week to get some work done, and >come back expecting 2 or 3 thousand messages in my in tray. > >But what do I find? ZILCH!!! I know what you mean. I've been busy on issue 18 of Crashed, and was expecting loads of mail. Bit of a let down really. > >Don't tell me everyone has gone on holiday - I can't be the only one in >work. > >Anyone out there? Consider this message as a yes to the above question. -- _ (_'tewart email : sskardon@argonet.co.uk ,_)kardon Crashed Magazine - The SAM and Spectrum Magazine. Crashed WWW Site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon -=O=- Organisers of The Northern SAM and Spectrum Show NSSS WWW Site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/nsss.html From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 8 19:09:25 1997 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: sskardon@argonet.co.uk (Stewart Skardon) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 8 Apr 97 18:03:58 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Calling Tim Wells Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 626 Lines: 28 Tim, Colin Macdonald sent me in your direction about the Interface 1 he sent you in error. Any chance of buying / having it? I've got the microdrives to go with it, and as you can imagine, they are rather useless without it. :-) Cheers Stewart -- _ (_'tewart email : sskardon@argonet.co.uk ,_)kardon Crashed Magazine - The SAM and Spectrum Magazine. Crashed WWW Site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon -=O=- Organisers of The Northern SAM and Spectrum Show NSSS WWW Site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/nsss.html From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 9 15:04:49 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970409145630.0091d980@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 14:56:30 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Discovery (and a half) In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970401102918.00927810@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 333 Lines: 12 At 10:29 AM 4/1/97 +0100, you wrote: BTW: This posting was an April Fools joke (or is that Flair Loop?). Note: the single pixel stuff, and the screen scroll by one scan line techniques *DO* work... the bits which start the screen re-displaying, and changing colors do not. Surprised that no one even questioned it really. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 9 15:28:20 1997 Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 16:10:23 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9704091410.AA03318@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Discovery (and a half) X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 413 Lines: 18 > At 10:29 AM 4/1/97 +0100, you wrote: > > BTW: This posting was an April Fools joke (or is that Flair Loop?). > > Note: the single pixel stuff, and the screen scroll by one scan line > techniques *DO* work... the bits which start the screen re-displaying, and > changing colors do not. > > Surprised that no one even questioned it really. "Always hide a lie in between the truth." -Frode > > Simon > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 9 15:28:20 1997 Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 15:13:26 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@hilbert.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Discovery (and a half) In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970409145630.0091d980@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1313 Lines: 33 On Wed, 9 Apr 1997, Simon Cooke wrote: > At 10:29 AM 4/1/97 +0100, you wrote: > > BTW: This posting was an April Fools joke (or is that Flair Loop?). > > Note: the single pixel stuff, and the screen scroll by one scan line > techniques *DO* work... the bits which start the screen re-displaying, and > changing colors do not. > > Surprised that no one even questioned it really. > > Simon > I didn't question it simply because I didn't understand it anyway. In fact, the last time I had fallen for an April's Fool joke was the one in Format about running MS-Windows on the SAM using 5 Z80 CPU's and the 4 meg memory extensions. This was before I understood the workings in PCs and CPU's in particular anyway. And, no. I wasn't one of those that sent off for more info (although I was tempted). No-one's got me since - haw haw haw.. :) (Not even Bob with his Microsoft interest in using the SAM for NC's) -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 11 18:57:49 1997 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 18:55:06 +0100 (BST) From: Tim Paveley To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Where's the pages In-Reply-To: <199703311920.VAA11919@mailserv.caiw.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 966 Lines: 24 On Tue, 1 Apr 1997, Robert van der Veeke wrote: > > Can anyone mail me ASAP with Unc's SAM Scrapbook's address? > [http://www.mono.org/~unc/] > But I only got a "The requested item could not be loaded by the proxy." :( Ah. mono.org was down between the evening of the 31st, until sometime on the 2nd due to city uni (where it is based) doing so restructuring. Which is probably what caused the error. :sighs [And since dplinux has been up and down like a yo-yo for the last fortnight as well, including a small holiday back to the manufacturers, Things have not been going well for me, my email, and my web pages...] Saying that, I did manage to bring the pages, and the Sam up at my interview on Monday, so expect interest from GCHQ shortly (no really...) Tim ....@/ .........................................................................@/ Unc - Tim Paveley - http://dplinux.sund.ac.uk/~unc/ Owner of a Sam Coupe - http://www.mono.org/~unc/Coupe/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 11 19:29:39 1997 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 19:26:51 +0100 (BST) From: Tim Paveley To: Sam Users Mailing List Subject: Random Numbers Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 382 Lines: 11 Anyone know of a reasonably good pseudo-number generator. I was trying to use one in SamC, but it uses the R register which kind of defeats the point of being able to seed it..... Tim ....@/ .........................................................................@/ Unc - Tim Paveley - http://dplinux.sund.ac.uk/~unc/ Owner of a Sam Coupe - http://www.mono.org/~unc/Coupe/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 11 19:44:28 1997 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 14:38:52 EDT From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Random Numbers Message-Id: <19970411183912Z49163-27987+2789@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 591 Lines: 21 Date: 1997-04-11 19:35 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Tim Paveley >To: Sam Users Mailing List >Subject: Random Numbers > >Anyone know of a reasonably good pseudo-number generator. > >I was trying to use one in SamC, but it uses the R register which kind of >defeats the point of being able to seed it..... try this rnd = ((rnd * 1010101) mod ) which is goodish for values < 10000 provided maxval is not 73,101 or 137 nev Fu**inel, I'm still at work and its 19:34 From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 14 08:12:45 1997 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 08:51:48 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9704140651.AA05876@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: London X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 58 Lines: 5 Hi London here I come. See you all at the show! -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 14 19:26:37 1997 X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L NL @ C&L INT @ C&L INT EXTERNAL @ WORLDCOM @ OUTBOUND From: Stefan Drissen To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Message-ID: <86256479.006409C1.00@internet-502.interliant.com> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 20:05:24 +0200 Subject: Re: London Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 965 Lines: 39 >London here I come. See you all at the show! > > -Frode And I'll second that. Who else is going? -- **************************************** This document should only be read by those persons to whom it is addressed and is not intended to be relied upon by any person without subsequent written confirmation of its contents. 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Crashed WWW Site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon -=O=- Organisers of The Northern SAM and Spectrum Show NSSS WWW Site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/nsss.html From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 15 13:22:56 1997 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 08:14:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Gouranga@aol.com Message-ID: <970415081404_-866254798@emout01.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: An offer everyone can refuse.... Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 699 Lines: 14 Once again I'll make a point of posting a non-topical message, but seeing as it involves money, I hope you'll all forgive me... There's a minimum of a hundred pounds, maybe more, to someone that can take take over an existing PC project. It's a "Generic Lexical Analyser", used mainly in the compilation process for splitting up the different parts of a language. The code is 95% done (written in C to run under DOS and UNIX) - but it just needs finishing off, debugging (!), tidying up and documenting. It's not a huge amount of work, but I'd need it done inside of a few weeks. Anyone interested, mail me as usual at DigAdd@aol.com or (cue sam reference) see me on Saturday.... Colin Macdonald From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 15 15:55:48 1997 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 10:41:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Gouranga@aol.com Message-ID: <970415103827_-1502239122@emout15.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: London Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 565 Lines: 15 > > London here I come. See you all at the show! > Frode, If you're wanting to stop over and go for...ahem...a couple of drinks on Saturday night, you're extremely welcome to join us - at the moment there's myself, Mr Drissen, Ian "axe" Slavin and Colin Anderton, but there's usually a couple extra turn up with the mention of alcohol....that goes for everyone as well ;) Also I can offer to book you into a B&B if you're spending the night in Gloucester - I can offer to get you into the best place, a mediocre place, or the place I usually stay in.... CM From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 15 15:55:48 1997 From: Johnna Teare Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 15:45:54 GMT+0 Subject: Sugar and Spice Girls X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 529 Lines: 15 Thanks for not filling my mailbox too full whilst I've been away...! Exactly what stage is the SRAM project at? Are the designs being redone, or are we going with the ones that were posted to NVG a while back. Or has Bob decided to shelve the project? That was the first time in a long long time that I've been home for three weeks and not touched my SAM apart from moving it out of the way. Shame. Johnna Pig Teare (JohnnaPig@deathsdoor.com) JohnnaPig OnLine (www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna) "They call me Mad The Swine." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 15 18:07:52 1997 Message-Id: <199704151658.SAA21096@dxmint.cern.ch> From: Allan Skillman Subject: Re: London To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 15 Apr 97 18:58:33 METDST In-Reply-To: <970415103827_-1502239122@emout15.mail.aol.com>; from "Gouranga@aol.com" at Apr 15, 97 10:41 am Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2528 Lines: 51 Hi Colin (and all) > > Frode, If you're wanting to stop over and go for...ahem...a couple of drinks > on Saturday night, you're extremely welcome to join us - at the moment > there's myself, Mr Drissen, Ian "axe" Slavin and Colin Anderton, but there's > usually a couple extra turn up with the mention of alcohol....that goes for > everyone as well ;) > > Also I can offer to book you into a B&B if you're spending the night in > Gloucester - I can offer to get you into the best place, a mediocre place, or > the place I usually stay in.... > As far as I know Frode won't have E-mail access while he is at a conference this week (a conference just before the Gloucester show, that was a coincidence NOT). I'm in Oxford at the moment at (yet) another conference. I'll be back in London on Thursday, and will possibly meet up with Frode. We are planning to travel down to Gloucester together on the saturday (he is staying at chez skillman in Kettering on friday). BTW Is anyone travelling down to the show from or via Leicestershire/Northamptonshire and might have room for a couple of people? I should be bringing along the latest version of SimCoupe to the show, with quite a few improvements over the last release, including : - support for 8, 16 and 32bit displays (untested for > 8bit) - Experimental Border effects (Scrollies and the like) - proper emulation of z80 timing. - New user interface The new timing code has resulted in several programs starting to run properly on the emulator - including Defenders of te Earth, which always refused to work on older versions. The biggest change is the inclusion of the new user interface - buttons, menus, fileselectors et. al. I'm really pleased with the way this is comming along. Check out http://www.hep.ucl.ac.uk/~ajs/simcoupe/simcoupe_ui.html for a sneak preview. Allan +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Now available! SimCoupe, the one and only SAM Coupe emulator | | *** http://www.hep.ucl.ac.uk/~ajs/simcoupe/simcoupe_distr.html *** | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ | Allan Skillman | "There are five flavours of resons, the | | HEPP Group | elementary particles of magic : up, down, | | University College London | sideways, sex-appeal and peppermint." | | Email : ajs@hep.ucl.ac.uk | - Terry Pratchett (Lords and Ladies) | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 16 10:07:09 1997 Message-ID: <26E7D73001F73000@c2gate.tcom.co.uk> Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 8:17:00 +0100 From: Dan Doore Organization: * To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no (Sam Users Mailing List) Subject: RE: London Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.20B.16 MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 372 Lines: 17 The boy is back. I've been 'sans email' for the last week or so but I am back from the North so I will be going to Gloucester for the show. 1) Is it still on the 19th? 2) What's the plan? 3) Will I miss my train again? Dan. BACG Top Pod & Dogsbody P.S. I'm using the dreaded MS Exchange and this mail might get scrambled, please let me know if it's knacked... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 16 10:49:28 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970416103804.009c4aa8@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:38:04 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: New Project from the Cookie Monster ;) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 837 Lines: 25 Hi everyone, I've got a new project that I've started... bought the books (40 quid... ouch) to do it too... and some new software (you don't want to know how much Visual C++ 5.0 costs). Basically, it's a SAM Assembler, on the PC. Multiple-document environment, project manager system, wizards to produce code shells, macro expansion, you name it... And when I've got enough experience in the Windows C++ thingy, perhaps a conversion of SIM Coupe... with built in support for the Assembler, and a Monitor/Debugger ;) BTW: It'll be freeware (ish -- if you want to send me 20/30 quid to register your copy, you'll be able to, but none of the functionality will be crippled). One warning though -- knowing my speed at these projects, don't hold your breath. Can anyone point me at a Z80 assembler back-end written in C or C++? Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 16 11:15:27 1997 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 11:02:22 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@pine.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: New Project from the Cookie Monster ;) In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970416103804.009c4aa8@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1936 Lines: 41 On Wed, 16 Apr 1997, Simon Cooke wrote: > Can anyone point me at a Z80 assembler back-end written in C or C++? >From the 68HC11 FAQ:- ----------------------------- Program: asxxx-v1.51-beta.tar.gz Description: This is an updated version of the ASXXXX cross-assembler package written by Alan R. Baldwin of Kent State University. This version includes the following changes: - Port to Unix and Unix-like OS's - Support for ar(5) style libraries in the linker - Improved code area management Comments: This is the assembler back-end currently used by the Coactive Aesthics gcc port; a majority of these changes were made to better support the gcc port. The current distribution is a drop-in upgrade for the version currently used in the Coactive gcc port. Author: Alan R. Baldwin With changes by Ken Hornstein kenh@cmf.nrl.navy.mil Location: ftp.cmf.nrl.navy.mil : /pub/kenh/asxxxx-v1.51-beta.tar.gz -------------------------------------------- It's a Cross assembler/linker for quite a few CPU architectures. One is the Z80. Has source code. I know it's in unix file format, but I have put it in DOS zip at home if you want it. It compiles on PC (with DJGPP) with a little tweaking. I haven't tried the Z80 compile of it, but the 68HC11 works fine (as far as I can tell.) -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 16 15:25:14 1997 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:07:50 +0000 Subject: Re: New Project from the Cookie Monster ;) X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <36CF9B3C18@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 854 Lines: 25 > I've got a new project that I've started... bought the books (40 quid... > ouch) to do it too... and some new software (you don't want to know how > much Visual C++ 5.0 costs). [chopper] Sounds good. Can't help tho'. Sorry. BTW, us fulltime students can get VC++5 and VBASIC4 for one all-in price of some 94 quid. Very tasty. Might just do that, in fact, 'n maybe give ye a hand. What's a Z80 back-end anyway? Sounds rude. Can't you start from scratch? (like I did, and then gave up cuz it was too hard. Oh, I see your point) --dave-- ADVERTISEMENT---- | Holy Cheesus! Cheese flavored potato balls snack! From the makers of Schmilk - the surprising alternative to milk! | ------------+ eat my face: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/5636/ drink my beer: http://yi.com/home/HooperDave/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 17 09:34:00 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970417092211.00f56848@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 09:22:11 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: New Project from the Cookie Monster ;) In-Reply-To: <36CF9B3C18@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1733 Lines: 71 At 03:07 PM 4/16/97 +0000, you wrote: >Status: RO > >> I've got a new project that I've started... bought the books (40 quid... >> ouch) to do it too... and some new software (you don't want to know how >> much Visual C++ 5.0 costs). > >[chopper] > >Sounds good. Can't help tho'. Sorry. *grins* no problem :) >BTW, us fulltime students can get VC++5 and VBASIC4 for one all-in >price of some 94 quid. Very tasty. Might just do that, in fact, 'n >maybe give ye a hand. Hehehehe :) >What's a Z80 back-end anyway? Sounds rude. It's the bit which actually does the assembly. Front-ends are the bits that the user gets to see (user interfaces, editors, option selection), back-ends are the bits that do the grunt work (assembly, compilation, linking, etc etc) >Can't you start from scratch? (like I did, and then gave up cuz it >was too hard. Oh, I see your point) *laughs* Well, I *might* do... it depends on how fancy it ends up being. Quick general question for everyone: What would you like to see this assembler do? What would make your life easier? How should the macros work? I see them working somewhat like this, btw: DEFMACRO myMacro(db Alpha, db Beta, db Gamma, dw Delta, reg REG) LD A,($Delta) LD $REG,A LD A,$Alpha LD ($Delta),A OR $Beta XOR $REG LD B,$Gamma LD HL,convblock $second: LD (HL),A DJNZ $second END --- To use it: Macroinhere: myMacro(1,2,3,4,C) JP Macroinhere.second ;to access that address in the macro All variables inside a Macro (as passed by the function) are local to that macro. All labels inside a macro should be prefixed with a "$" character, which will tell it to make that label correspond to an address relative to that macro. Any ideas/queries? Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 17 09:52:12 1997 Message-Id: <199704170843.KAA28745@dxmint.cern.ch> X-Authentication-Warning: dxmint.cern.ch: Host hpopl1.cern.ch [137.138.243.47] claimed to be hpopb1.cern.ch From: Allan Skillman Subject: Re: New Project from the Cookie Monster ;) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 17 Apr 97 10:43:22 METDST In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970417092211.00f56848@nessie.mcc.ac.uk>; from "Simon Cooke" at Apr 17, 97 9:22 am Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1162 Lines: 23 Hi Simon, This sounds like a worthwhile project, which I'd be glad to get working on UNIX as well. I think a logical esxtension to your idea is to have the assembler part produce object files rather than pure binary. These can be linked to produce a binary which can run at any address, or put together in a library. I'm sure you know exactly what I am talking about. Once implemented, all that is needed to implement a high level language is the actual compiler. Allan -- +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Now available! SimCoupe, the one and only SAM Coupe emulator | | *** http://www.hep.ucl.ac.uk/~ajs/simcoupe/simcoupe_distr.html *** | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ | Allan Skillman | "There are five flavours of resons, the | | HEPP Group | elementary particles of magic : up, down, | | University College London | sideways, sex-appeal and peppermint." | | Email : ajs@hep.ucl.ac.uk | - Terry Pratchett (Lords and Ladies) | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 17 10:01:00 1997 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 04:54:39 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970417045437_707350230@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Sugar and Spice Girls Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1332 Lines: 38 In a message dated 15/04/97 14:49:41, you write: >Thanks for not filling my mailbox too full whilst I've been away...! > >Exactly what stage is the SRAM project at? Are the designs being >redone, or are we going with the ones that were posted to NVG a while >back. Or has Bob decided to shelve the project? The project is still go - it has to be if we are ever to get started on development. Nev became very disillusioned by the lack of any constructive criticism from this list and so has not put any more work into it for a few weeks (he has also been very busy at work). I know some of you have disagreed (but you are wrong) over the need for the SRAM, but without it this project cannot make ANY headway. As we have now missed the chance to run the boards at the same time as the SAM_CLOCK it will have to wait a few weeks until the next board gets run. BTW. Boards for the SAM Mouse Interface are running out. A new version needs to be drawn so a batch can be done during the summer. A change to the existing design will switch to Amiga mice instead of Atari - but is there any other changes people would like to see? > >That was the first time in a long long time that I've been home for >three weeks and not touched my SAM apart from moving it out of the >way. > >Shame. You said it. > >Johnna Pig Teare. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 17 10:01:12 1997 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 04:54:35 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970417045434_1354813782@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: London Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 360 Lines: 25 In a message dated 16/04/97 11:59:31, you write: >The boy is back. > >I've been 'sans email' for the last week or so but I am back >from the North so I will be going to Gloucester for the show. > >1) Is it still on the 19th? Yes. >2) What's the plan? You all come and spend lots of money :) >3) Will I miss my train again? Who can say? > >Dan. > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 17 10:26:32 1997 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:15:43 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@nutmeg.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Sugar and Spice Girls In-Reply-To: <970417045437_707350230@emout09.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1188 Lines: 22 On Thu, 17 Apr 1997 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > BTW. Boards for the SAM Mouse Interface are running out. A new version needs > to be drawn so a batch can be done during the summer. A change to the > existing design will switch to Amiga mice instead of Atari - but is there any > other changes people would like to see? I'd like to see a PC mouse interface... But, I suppose, I'd need to build myself one of those aswell. Couldn't a driver be coded to read a PC mouse through the comms interface? I've done a QBASIC program to read the serial bytes and operate a mouse pointer on the PC before, so it shouldn't be too difficult to produce. Since I don't have a comms interface, I can't play around with it - I've yet to build my one (with the failure of my final year project and all). -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 17 10:26:32 1997 Message-Id: From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale) Subject: Re: Sugar and Spice Girls To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:20:25 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <970417045437_707350230@emout09.mail.aol.com> from "BrenchleyR@aol.com" at Apr 17, 97 04:54:39 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 568 Lines: 14 > BTW. Boards for the SAM Mouse Interface are running out. A new version needs > to be drawn so a batch can be done during the summer. A change to the > existing design will switch to Amiga mice instead of Atari - but is there any > other changes people would like to see? > Well, just as a coincidence, I am just on my way to the lab to test a device I've got to make a PC mouse mimic a joystick. It wouldn't take much more work to get it to mimic a SAM mouse. Why the switch to Amiga mice? Is this to do with availability or is there some other advantage? -Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 17 10:34:48 1997 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:27:58 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@nutmeg.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: New Project from the Cookie Monster ;) In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970417092211.00f56848@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1277 Lines: 36 On Thu, 17 Apr 1997, Simon Cooke wrote: > What would you like to see this assembler do? What would make your life > easier? How should the macros work? I'd like the idea of a full object/linked assembler. Similar to ZAS on the CP/M which I still can't get to work on Pro-DOS. Most importantly, the quick tempory labels similar to below: 1: slra slra ld a, 65 out a,(76) 2: call blob_blob cp 56 jp z, f1 ; this jumps to the first label called '1' ; found forward of this instruction. ret 1: inc a jp b2 ; this jumps to the first label called '2' ; found backward of this instruction. I was gonna do the same sort of project as you, but since you're doing it, I won't need to.. :) I was also thinking of making the assembler go a little higher level with with calls with parameters etc. It's a little hard to explain on here, but I know what I mean... -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 17 10:53:27 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970417104418.00f553a8@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:44:18 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: New Project from the Cookie Monster ;) In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.19970417092211.00f56848@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 190 Lines: 9 >I was gonna do the same sort of project as you, but since you're doing it, >I won't need to.. :) Don't say that -- you know what I'm like in terms of speed/finishing things... Simon From imc Thu Apr 17 11:51:52 1997 Subject: Re: New Project from the Cookie Monster ;) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 11:51:52 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970416103804.009c4aa8@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> from "Simon Cooke" at Apr 16, 97 10:38:04 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 548 Lines: 13 On Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:38:04 +0100, Simon Cooke said: > I've got a new project that I've started... bought the books (40 quid... > ouch) to do it too... and some new software (you don't want to know how > much Visual C++ 5.0 costs). ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Basically, it's a SAM Assembler, on the PC. What do you need all that rubbish for? Surely a straight C program to take the input text file and produce and object code file would be sufficient. At least it wouldn't be tied to Windoze, which I am unlikely to run on any machine I own. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 17 12:06:47 1997 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 12:02:26 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@jasmine.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: New Project from the Cookie Monster ;) In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970417104418.00f553a8@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 655 Lines: 17 On Thu, 17 Apr 1997, Simon Cooke wrote: > >I was gonna do the same sort of project as you, but since you're doing it, > >I won't need to.. :) > > Don't say that -- you know what I'm like in terms of speed/finishing things... But I'm exactly the same... -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From imc Thu Apr 17 12:07:56 1997 Subject: Re: New Project from the Cookie Monster ;) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 12:07:56 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970417092211.00f56848@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> from "Simon Cooke" at Apr 17, 97 09:22:11 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1849 Lines: 77 On Thu, 17 Apr 1997 09:22:11 +0100, Simon Cooke said: > What would you like to see this assembler do? What would make your life > easier? See BIAS for your design goal. :-) (I should think it would be useful to have meta-instructions like "for x=1 to 8:assemble some code:next x"). > How should the macros work? > I see them working somewhat like this, btw: > DEFMACRO myMacro(db Alpha, db Beta, db Gamma, dw Delta, reg REG) > > LD A,($Delta) > LD $REG,A > LD A,$Alpha > LD ($Delta),A > OR $Beta > XOR $REG > LD B,$Gamma > LD HL,convblock > $second: > LD (HL),A > DJNZ $second > > END > > To use it: > Macroinhere: myMacro(1,2,3,4,C) > JP Macroinhere.second ;to access that address in the macro Too cumbersome. You don't need those "$" signs everywhere - see cpp, for example - and it's unlikely that specifying the type of each argument will make it any better. MACRO mymacro (Alpha,Beta,Gamma,Delta,REG) LD A,(Delta) LD REG,A LD A,Alpha LD (Delta),A OR Beta XOR REG LD B, Gamma LD HL,convblock L1:LD (HL),A DJNZ L1 END Any label defined within a macro is obviously going to be local to the macro. Any label used within a macro can be checked first against local labels and then against global labels. If you want a macro which defines a label which you can call later, then it is probably appropriate to pass the name of the label as a parameter. MACRO trivial (L1, REG) L1: LD A,REG RET END trivial(ldab,B) CALL ldab Any label whose name is a parameter can reasonably be made global. See how other macro assemblers do it if you can. I've used two of them, but unfortunately it's too long ago for me to remember what they did. You obviously have to implement "INCLUDE" as well so you can include either source code or macro definitions from other files. imc From imc Thu Apr 17 12:13:29 1997 Subject: Re: New Project from the Cookie Monster ;) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 12:13:29 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Justin Skists" at Apr 17, 97 10:27:58 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1081 Lines: 36 On Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:27:58 +0100 (BST), Justin Skists said: > Most importantly, > the quick tempory labels similar to below: > 1: slra > slra > ld a, 65 > out a,(76) > 2: call blob_blob > cp 56 > jp z, f1 ; this jumps to the first label called '1' > ; found forward of this instruction. > ret > 1: inc a > jp b2 ; this jumps to the first label called '2' > ; found backward of this instruction. This is unnecessary in my opinion, because you still have to bother to make the label. You might as well call it "Z57". A useful facility is the option to specify a relative target as well as an absolute one. rra djnz -3 cp 56 jr z,1 inc a BIAS also has one or two other things to help you as well, such as case insensitivity (I like typing in lower case), abbreviated instructions (ADD 3 is the same as ADD A,3) and calculator instructions built in. And for those people who can't remember that EX HL,DE is actually supposed to be EX DE,HL it recognises both of those instructions. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 17 13:11:26 1997 Message-ID: <22E9D73001F73000@c2gate.tcom.co.uk> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:54:00 +0100 From: Dan Doore Organization: * To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no (Sam Users Mailing List) Subject: Gloucester Show Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.20B.16 MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 72 Lines: 8 I'll try again: IS IT ON THE 19TH? Give me info... Please... Dan. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 17 13:52:16 1997 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 08:20:20 EDT From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Gloucester Show Message-Id: <19970417122046Z49162-27987+3406@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1323 Lines: 65 Date: 1997-04-17 13:17 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Dan Doore >To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no (Sam Users Mailing List) >Subject: Gloucester Show > > >I'll try again: > >IS IT ON THE 19TH? > >Give me info... Please... > >Dan. > # # ####### ##### # # # # # # # # # # ##### ##### # # # # # # # # ####### ##### ### ####### # # # # # # # # # # ### # ### ##### # # # # # # ##### # # # # # ### ##### ###### ####### # # # # # # ###### ##### # # # # # # ###### ####### ####### # # ####### ###### ####### # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # ####### ##### ###### ##### # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # ####### # # ####### ###### ### ####### #### ##### # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # ##### # # ##### # # # # # # # # # # # # #### # # ###### ### ####### From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 17 14:46:29 1997 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 13:43:54 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@maple.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Gloucester Show In-Reply-To: <19970417122046Z49162-27987+3406@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 811 Lines: 19 On Thu, 17 Apr 1997, YOUNG Neville, IT Life wrote: > ###### ### ####### > #### ##### # # # # > # # # # # # # # > # # # # # # # ##### > # # ##### # # # # > # # # # # # # # > #### # # ###### ### ####### > Oh well.. Nice knowing you guys.. :) -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 17 15:50:58 1997 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 15:40:45 +0000 Subject: Re: New Project from the Cookie Monster ;) X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <4F5CB901A8@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2290 Lines: 77 > >> I've got a new project that I've started... bought the books (40 quid... > >> ouch) to do it too... and some new software (you don't want to know how > >> much Visual C++ 5.0 costs). Oh - this is to Ian - shurely VC++5 can also compile for DOS? I don't know how likely it is that Simon'll be writing a WIN95 / Win3.x front end for the compiler ;) - so you may as well compile the stuff for DOS, non? > What would you like to see this assembler do? What would make your life > easier? How should the macros work? > > I see them working somewhat like this, btw: > > DEFMACRO myMacro(db Alpha, db Beta, db Gamma, dw Delta, reg REG) > > LD A,($Delta) > LD $REG,A > LD A,$Alpha > LD ($Delta),A > OR $Beta > XOR $REG > LD B,$Gamma > LD HL,convblock > $second: > LD (HL),A > DJNZ $second > > END > > --- > > To use it: > > Macroinhere: myMacro(1,2,3,4,C) > JP Macroinhere.second ;to access that address in the macro > > All variables inside a Macro (as passed by the function) are local to that > macro. All labels inside a macro should be prefixed with a "$" character, > which > will tell it to make that label correspond to an address relative to that > macro. > > Any ideas/queries? > Sounds *lovely* No, to be honest, I don't see the point, but I'm probably just showing my ignorance here. Remember PDASM I was writing for SAM, then gave up? Well, I'd like similar sorta features, including: o Compile from any text file (not necessarily one specifically for the assembler, ie, very lenient towards CR/LF combinations, TABs, comments (using ; or #), label identifiers, etc) o Automatically do the tricky stuff when writing code > 32K o *ALL* nonstandard codes ( see http://www.geocities.com/Area51/5636/Z80ops.txt ) o Stuff like: DEFB 20,40l,"smiley",loop1 to insert the byte 20, the word 40, the ASCII for smiley and the address for the label loop1 into the code (flexible DEFBs basically) Um, that's me out of ideas. --dave-- ADVERTISEMENT---- | Holy Cheesus! Cheese flavored potato balls snack! From the makers of Schmilk - the surprising alternative to milk! | ------------+ eat my face: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/5636/ drink my beer: http://yi.com/home/HooperDave/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 17 17:29:23 1997 Subject: Re: New Project from the Cookie Monster ;) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 16:39:37 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <4F5CB901A8@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> from "Dave Hooper" at Apr 17, 97 03:40:45 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <19970417161519Z49160-27987+3418@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 852 Lines: 19 > > > >> I've got a new project that I've started... bought the books (40 quid... > > >> ouch) to do it too... and some new software (you don't want to know how > > >> much Visual C++ 5.0 costs). > > Oh - this is to Ian - shurely VC++5 can also compile for DOS? > I don't know how likely it is that Simon'll be writing a WIN95 / > Win3.x front end for the compiler ;) - so you may as well compile the > stuff for DOS, non? You see, the reason that I'm doing it all in VC++ 5 is so that I can justify it to my boss as "training" -- so it'll have a fancy project manager. HOWEVER... if you want, there will be an EXE file which should work fine, and will purely act as an assembler... and that will be a console app - so it should be portable. I hope. The only problem will be the file handling, but I'll stick that in a separate class. Simon From imc Thu Apr 17 17:36:14 1997 Subject: Re: New Project from the Cookie Monster ;) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 17:36:14 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <19970417161519Z49160-27987+3418@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> from "Simon Cooke" at Apr 17, 97 04:39:37 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 168 Lines: 6 On Thu, 17 Apr 1997 16:39:37 +0100 (BST), Simon Cooke said: > HOWEVER... if you want, there will be an EXE file which should work fine, EXE file? What's that? imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 17 17:47:02 1997 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 17:29:26 +0100 (BST) From: Tim Paveley To: Sam Users Mailing List Subject: The show Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 635 Lines: 18 Oh well, looks like I'm off for the weekend (tch, students hey ;) Hope everyone has a good time at the show *sniff* Oh well, at least I won't have ando pointing out that I still haven't sent him anything for fred. so much for my Fred League. Hmm. (calculates some points if he gets around to finishing a few things) Ando> likely to run the Fred Leagure Again next year? Tim ....@/ .........................................................................@/ Unc - Tim Paveley - http://dplinux.sund.ac.uk/~unc/ Staff of the Monochrome BBS - http://www.mono.org/ Owner of a Sam Coupe - http://www.mono.org/~unc/Coupe/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 17 18:10:18 1997 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 18:03:23 +0000 Subject: Re: SAM Developer Project X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <51BDC20FE3@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 819 Lines: 22 > >http://eris.sss.co.uk/samdev/index.htm > > > >Enjoy :) How about putting my little QBASIC program that takes a SAMBasic file (on a PC disc, admittedly) and squirting out an ASCII file up on the utilities bit? I'd email it to someone who knows or upload to nvg but I don't know how... anyone want an attachment on a personal email? I've got it right here if you do... Oh - and please, someone update this program. Like, I dunno, make it friendly to use, or write it in C or something. I can't be arsed / don't have a C compiler / don't have my SAM up here / haven't got MasterBASIC / etc. --dave-- with so many pies around it's a wonder he doesn't run out of fingers eat my face : http://www.geocities.com/Area51/5636/ drink my beer : http://yi.com/home/HooperDave/ pull my leg : no-brain@mindless.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 17 19:13:27 1997 To: "sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no" Subject: Re: Sugar and Spice Girls Date: Thu, 17 Apr 97 18:50:21 -0500 From: David Ledbury X-Mailer: E-Mail Connection v2.5.03 Message-Id: <19970417180057Z49161-27987+3422@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 496 Lines: 21 -- [ From: David Ledbury * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- -------- REPLY, Original message follows -------- > Date: Thursday, 17-Apr-97 04:54 AM > > BTW. Boards for the SAM Mouse Interface are running out. A new version needs to > be drawn so a batch can be done during the summer. A change to the existing > design will switch to Amiga mice instead of Atari - but is there any other > changes people would like to see? How about making it PC mouse compatible, as they're dirt cheap now? David L From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 17 19:25:26 1997 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 19:16:39 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@aether.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Sugar and Spice Girls In-Reply-To: <19970417180057Z49161-27987+3422@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 547 Lines: 13 On Thu, 17 Apr 1997, David Ledbury wrote: > How about making it PC mouse compatible, as they're dirt cheap now? Obviously no-one reads my messages... -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 18 08:45:33 1997 Message-Id: <335723FF.2781@math.uni-goettingen.de> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 09:34:23 +0200 From: Slawomir Grodkowski X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; OSF1 V3.2 alpha) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Gloucester Show References: <19970417122046Z49162-27987+3406@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1570 Lines: 73 YOUNG Neville, IT Life wrote: > > Date: 1997-04-17 13:17 > Priority: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: Dan Doore > >To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no (Sam Users Mailing List) > >Subject: Gloucester Show > > > > > >I'll try again: > > > >IS IT ON THE 19TH? > > > >Give me info... Please... > > > >Dan. > > > # # ####### ##### > # # # # # > # # # # > # ##### ##### > # # # > # # # # > # ####### ##### > > ### ####### > # # > # # > # # > # # > # # > ### # > > ### ##### > # # # > # # > # ##### > # # > # # # > ### ##### > > ###### ####### > # # # > # # # > ###### ##### > # # # > # # # > ###### ####### > > ####### # # ####### ###### ####### > # # # # # # # > # # # # # # # > # ####### ##### ###### ##### > # # # # # # # > # # # # # # # > # # # ####### # # ####### > > ###### ### ####### > #### ##### # # # # > # # # # # # # # > # # # # # # # ##### > # # ##### # # # # > # # # # # # # # > #### # # ###### ### ####### Wow !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Slawek. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 18 09:11:23 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970418090210.00f59358@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 09:02:10 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: New Project from the Cookie Monster ;) In-Reply-To: <9704171636.AA21744@gruffle.comlab.ox.ac.uk> References: <19970417161519Z49160-27987+3418@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 431 Lines: 16 At 05:36 PM 4/17/97 +0100, you wrote: >Status: > >On Thu, 17 Apr 1997 16:39:37 +0100 (BST), Simon Cooke said: >> HOWEVER... if you want, there will be an EXE file which should work fine, > >EXE file? What's that? > >imc Okay... okay... there will be a standalone console based application which will compile (on a PC) to a DOS "EXE" file. If you compile it on a unix system, you'll get an executable of some sort... Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 18 10:46:17 1997 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 05:41:22 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970418054120_83411256@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Sugar and Spice Girls Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 653 Lines: 21 In a message dated 17/04/97 09:24:38, you write: >> > >Well, just as a coincidence, I am just on my way to the lab to test >a device I've got to make a PC mouse mimic a joystick. It wouldn't >take much more work to get it to mimic a SAM mouse. Why the switch >to Amiga mice? Is this to do with availability or is there some >other advantage? > >-Andy Atari mouse - almost impossible to get. Atari/amiga switchable - getting difficult Amiga mouse - ok for a while longer (and just a little cheaper than the switchables). Would prefer to use a PC mouse - but that could mean big probs with exisiting software - unless anyone here knows better? Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 18 12:19:09 1997 Message-ID: <335756B4.1599@aqverpg.pb.hx> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 12:10:44 +0100 From: Neville Young Organization: X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Gloucester Show References: <19970417122046Z49162-27987+3406@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> <335723FF.2781@math.uni-goettingen.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2256 Lines: 86 Slawomir Grodkowski wrote: > > YOUNG Neville, IT Life wrote: > > > > Date: 1997-04-17 13:17 > > Priority: > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > From: Dan Doore > > >To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no (Sam Users Mailing List) > > >Subject: Gloucester Show > > > > > > > > >I'll try again: > > > > > >IS IT ON THE 19TH? > > > > > >Give me info... Please... > > > > > >Dan. > > > > > # # ####### ##### > > # # # # # > > # # # # > > # ##### ##### > > # # # > > # # # # > > # ####### ##### > > > > ### ####### > > # # > > # # > > # # > > # # > > # # > > ### # > > > > ### ##### > > # # # > > # # > > # ##### > > # # > > # # # > > ### ##### > > > > ###### ####### > > # # # > > # # # > > ###### ##### > > # # # > > # # # > > ###### ####### > > > > ####### # # ####### ###### ####### > > # # # # # # # > > # # # # # # # > > # ####### ##### ###### ##### > > # # # # # # # > > # # # # # # # > > # # # ####### # # ####### > > > > ###### ### ####### > > #### ##### # # # # > > # # # # # # # # > > # # # # # # # ##### > > # # ##### # # # # > > # # # # # # # # > > #### # # ###### ### ####### > > Wow !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have absoulty no connection with the IRA or any other terrorist organisations. Nev, working out how to get to Gloucester with the roads closed -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | | Home arivyyrl@aqverpg.pb.hx | | This site is levitated by | Work tou3exae@vozznvy.pbz | | superconducting magnets. | http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~nevilley/homepage| ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 18 12:54:00 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970418124513.00f58fe8@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 12:45:13 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Gloucester Show In-Reply-To: <335756B4.1599@aqverpg.pb.hx> References: <19970417122046Z49162-27987+3406@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> <335723FF.2781@math.uni-goettingen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 340 Lines: 14 At 12:10 PM 4/18/97 +0100, you wrote: >> Wow !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >I have absoulty no connection with the IRA or any other terrorist >organisations. > >Nev, working out how to get to Gloucester with the roads closed Crap - that's a point isn't it. Okay - which roads *are* closed? Simon From imc Fri Apr 18 13:47:50 1997 Subject: Re: Gloucester Show To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 13:47:50 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970418124513.00f58fe8@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> from "Simon Cooke" at Apr 18, 97 12:45:13 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 192 Lines: 7 On Fri, 18 Apr 1997 12:45:13 +0100, Simon Cooke said: > Okay - which roads *are* closed? As far as I know, just the M6. But both the West and East coast mainlines have been disrupted. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 18 14:56:41 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970418143351.009bfc08@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 14:33:51 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Gloucester Show In-Reply-To: <9704181247.AA27520@gruffle.comlab.ox.ac.uk> References: <3.0.1.32.19970418124513.00f58fe8@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 498 Lines: 15 At 01:47 PM 4/18/97 +0100, you wrote: >Status: > >On Fri, 18 Apr 1997 12:45:13 +0100, Simon Cooke said: >> Okay - which roads *are* closed? > >As far as I know, just the M6. But both the West and East coast mainlines >have been disrupted. Any idea which bit of the M6? (getting to gloucester is going to be fun... you know, I never thought trhat after the Grand National the IRA would go for the SAM & Spectrum show - shows that we're more famous and far-reaching than we thought : )) Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 18 15:46:54 1997 From: Gavin Smith Organization: University of Ulster To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 15:38:56 GMT Subject: Mouse interface (was Re: Sugar and Spice Girls) X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <1074D904021@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 620 Lines: 15 > Atari mouse - almost impossible to get. > Atari/amiga switchable - getting difficult > Amiga mouse - ok for a while longer (and just a little cheaper than the > switchables). > > Would prefer to use a PC mouse - but that could mean big probs with exisiting > software - unless anyone here knows better? > > Bob. Amiga mouse seems a tad dodgy...by the time the interface is ready and in production, a few months later the Amiga mouse stocks will probably dry up, especially as the Amiga's new owners, Gateway 2000, are likely to switch to PC mice themselves. Wasn't Simon working on a PC interface a while back? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 18 16:06:57 1997 From: Gavin Smith Organization: University of Ulster To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 16:01:14 GMT Subject: SAM World Website X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <107AC441A46@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 598 Lines: 11 Could SAM World writers do me a big favour, and try and mail me, as an attachment, a photo of themselves for the SAM World website? (For God's sake don't send them to the mailing list!) If any of you have anything you want put on the site, mail me. I'll stick the site up on Monday, and tell you the address then (as I'm still trying clear up space on my Unix account, and don't know what directory to put it in...) One more thing - apologies to any of you I owe mails to - I haven't been in to Uni much lately, what with illness and Easter etc., so I'm still catching up on mails. Sorry! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 18 17:31:39 1997 Message-Id: From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale) Subject: Re: Mouse interface (was Re: Sugar and Spice Girls) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 17:20:00 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <1074D904021@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> from "Gavin Smith" at Apr 18, 97 03:38:56 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 511 Lines: 11 > Amiga mouse seems a tad dodgy...by the time the interface is ready > and in production, a few months later the Amiga mouse stocks will > probably dry up, especially as the Amiga's new owners, Gateway 2000, > are likely to switch to PC mice themselves. Wasn't Simon working on a > PC interface a while back? The main advantage of PC mice is that there's so many to choose from - loads. You can choose the one that suits you best whether that be optical, trackball, or one of those cutes kiddy mice. Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 18 17:55:10 1997 X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L NL @ C&L INT @ C&L INT EXTERNAL @ WORLDCOM @ OUTBOUND From: Stefan Drissen To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Message-ID: <8625647D.005C702E.00@Internet-504.interliant.com> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 18:43:28 +0200 Subject: Dresscode Gloucester Show Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1254 Lines: 43 Hi all, Just a little note (before I head off across the channel) to those of you planning on going along for the main bit of the show: You won't get into a Gloucester night club without a pair of dress trousers! Although this seems to imply that Gloucester is very backwards - they actually let girly hairdoes in (although I hear that's changed - the hairdo that is). see you at the show -- **************************************** This document should only be read by those persons to whom it is addressed and is not intended to be relied upon by any person without subsequent written confirmation of its contents. Accordingly, Coopers & Lybrand disclaim all responsibility and accept no liability (including in negligence) for the consequences for any person acting, or refraining from acting, on such information prior to the receipt by those persons of subsequent written confirmation. If you have received this E-mail message in error, please notify us immediately by telephone. Please also destroy and delete the message from your computer. Any form of reproduction, dissemination, copying, disclosure, modification, distribution and/or publication of this E-mail message is strictly prohibited. **************************************** From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 18 18:31:12 1997 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: New Project from the Cookie Monster ;) References: <4F5CB901A8@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware From: Uncle Bulgaria Date: 18 Apr 1997 18:22:18 +0100 In-Reply-To: "Dave Hooper"'s message of Thu, 17 Apr 1997 15:40:45 +0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.43/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1421 Lines: 40 "Dave Hooper" <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> writes: > Remember PDASM I was writing for SAM, then gave up? Well, I'd like > similar sorta features, including: > o Compile from any text file (not necessarily one specifically for the > assembler, ie, very lenient towards CR/LF combinations, TABs, > comments (using ; or #), label identifiers, etc) But surely _most_ assemblers store their stuff as tokens (Bit like BASIC), instead of ASCII, 'coz ASCII eats space, and you want it to be able to cope with as much as possible. I.e. this could be tricky. > > o Automatically do the tricky stuff when writing code > 32K > I disagree with this. There are some times you want to control exactly what you're doing, and the assembler might not agree. I reckon it should be an option, easily turn on and off-able. > o *ALL* nonstandard codes > ( see http://www.geocities.com/Area51/5636/Z80ops.txt ) > Hmm, not sure. Probably though yeah. > o Stuff like: > DEFB 20,40l,"smiley",loop1 > to insert the byte 20, the word 40, the ASCII for smiley and the > address for the label loop1 into the code (flexible DEFBs basically) > Yes, yes, yes, lots and lots of times! Lee. -- With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. [ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/rfc/rfc1925.txt.gz] From imc Fri Apr 18 18:39:44 1997 Subject: Re: New Project from the Cookie Monster ;) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 18:39:44 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Uncle Bulgaria" at Apr 18, 97 06:22:18 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1266 Lines: 30 On 18 Apr 1997 18:22:18 +0100, Uncle Bulgaria said: > But surely _most_ assemblers store their stuff as tokens (Bit like > BASIC), instead of ASCII, 'coz ASCII eats space, and you want it to be > able to cope with as much as possible. I.e. this could be tricky. Most SAM assemblers, perhaps. (EDTASM for the Spectrum stored its source as plain text). PC and mainframe assemblers always store their sources in plain text 'coz you have to edit them with a text editor. > > o Automatically do the tricky stuff when writing code > 32K > I disagree with this. There are some times you want to control exactly > what you're doing, and the assembler might not agree. I reckon it should > be an option, easily turn on and off-able. This can almost certainly be done trivially with a macro anyway, so if it is addressed at all it should be in the form of a macro which you can include. About comments: the last mainframe assembler I used treated all stuff to the right of the instruction as a comment. LR 5,6 Transfer register 6 to register 5 FOO LA 5, 1[5] Increment register 5 BAL 15,LABEL Call somewhere JR 15 Jump to contents of register 15 Not that this is important or anything - I just thought I'd mention it. :-) imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 18 18:57:14 1997 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: New Project from the Cookie Monster ;) References: <9704181739.AA28384@gruffle.comlab.ox.ac.uk> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware From: Uncle Bulgaria Date: 18 Apr 1997 18:51:38 +0100 In-Reply-To: Ian Collier's message of Fri, 18 Apr 1997 18:39:45 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.43/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 868 Lines: 20 Ian Collier writes: > On 18 Apr 1997 18:22:18 +0100, Uncle Bulgaria said: > > But surely _most_ assemblers store their stuff as tokens (Bit like > > BASIC), instead of ASCII, 'coz ASCII eats space, and you want it to be > > able to cope with as much as possible. I.e. this could be tricky. > > Most SAM assemblers, perhaps. (EDTASM for the Spectrum stored its source > as plain text). PC and mainframe assemblers always store their sources in > plain text 'coz you have to edit them with a text editor. > OK, I stand corrected, but I was thinking of SAM assemblers. Silly me! Lee. -- With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. [ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/rfc/rfc1925.txt.gz] From imc Fri Apr 18 19:49:51 1997 Subject: Re: New Project from the Cookie Monster ;) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 19:49:52 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Uncle Bulgaria" at Apr 18, 97 06:51:38 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 178 Lines: 6 On 18 Apr 1997 18:51:38 +0100, Uncle Bulgaria said: > OK, I stand corrected, but I was thinking of SAM assemblers. Silly me! But this is to be a PC assembler for the sam. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 18 21:09:21 1997 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 16:04:42 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970418160357_50075456@emout14.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Final Call For The Gloucester Show Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 113 Lines: 7 Its 9pm Friday And for once I think I've got everything ready for the show. Hope everyone will be there. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Apr 19 22:49:37 1997 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 22:46:18 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@puce.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Hi, I'm new. In-Reply-To: <199703261112.LAA06289@pipe2.uk.pipeline.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2047 Lines: 49 Hi guys, I'm back. Welcome to the list Bill. If you want to find out what's going on around here, you could do a lot worse than following some of the web URLs in .sig files of these messages - including mine :) On Wed, 26 Mar 1997, Samsboss@uk.pipeline.com wrote: > Two words of warning. Don't, whatever you do, support Bob Brenchley - or > you will be accused of being Bob Brenchley. (they are like that on this > list) > > Second. Always agree with Andrew Collier - if you don't then the flame war > can get very hot. Even if you do agree with him, on every last thing he > says, he is bound to argue with you over something - but at least you wont > need the flameproof outfit too often. Sorry about him, you'll have to forgive "the entity known as Samsboss" for his comments, as he seems to like having a dig at people who aren't there to defend themselves. Just for the record, I only accuse people of being Bob Brenchley when they flatly refuse to reveal their real name, when the headers seem to have come from the same computer, and when they make the same spelling errors. And I don't start the flame wars, I just tell people when they say something very particularly silly. Generally it is Samboss himself who starts hurling the personal comments (usually his argument doesn't stand on its own) and the whole thing avalanches. Samsboss is perhaps feeling a little jaded; he says more very very silly things than most other people. Bill, you'll get used to it soon; just take everything with two pinches of salt! Andrew +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Second Law Of Thermodynamics: | Andrew Collier, 1A NatSci | | If you think things are in a | email asc25@hermes.cam.ac.uk | | mess now, just you wait.... | Selwyn College, Cambridge | +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Construction work in progress at http://brain.sel.cam.ac.uk/~asc25 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Apr 19 22:58:08 1997 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 22:55:11 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@puce.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Discovery (and a half) AND Photos In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970409145630.0091d980@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1088 Lines: 32 On Wed, 9 Apr 1997, Simon Cooke wrote: > BTW: This posting was an April Fools joke (or is that Flair Loop?). > > Surprised that no one even questioned it really. > > Simon Perhaps there's a good reason that I didn't reply :) NB It was the FRED65 menu where I put thin vertical lines in the lower border. Andrew PS. Selected photos from today's Gloucester show will hopefully be available on my website by the end of the week. Until then, I'm open to bribes (all offers considered) from people who don't want their photos published. People who wore that shower cap for example. +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Second Law Of Thermodynamics: | Andrew Collier, 1A NatSci | | If you think things are in a | email asc25@hermes.cam.ac.uk | | mess now, just you wait.... | Selwyn College, Cambridge | +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Construction work in progress at http://brain.sel.cam.ac.uk/~asc25 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Apr 20 14:33:01 1997 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 09:25:30 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970420092529_-999023590@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Dresscode Gloucester Show Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 515 Lines: 19 In a message dated 18/04/97 16:56:26, you write: >Hi all, > >Just a little note (before I head off across the channel) to those of you >planning on going along for the main bit of the show: > >You won't get into a Gloucester night club without a pair of dress >trousers! > >Although this seems to imply that Gloucester is very backwards - they >actually let girly hairdoes in (although I hear that's changed - the hairdo >that is). > >see you at the show We have to keep standards up around here you know. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Apr 20 14:33:08 1997 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 09:25:27 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970420092527_-533293798@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Mouse interface (was Re: Sugar and Spice Girls) Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 679 Lines: 18 In a message dated 18/04/97 16:21:35, you write: >> Amiga mouse seems a tad dodgy...by the time the interface is ready >> and in production, a few months later the Amiga mouse stocks will >> probably dry up, especially as the Amiga's new owners, Gateway 2000, >> are likely to switch to PC mice themselves. Wasn't Simon working on a >> PC interface a while back? > >The main advantage of PC mice is that there's so many to choose >from - loads. You can choose the one that suits you best whether >that be optical, trackball, or one of those cutes kiddy mice. > >Andy What I want is one shaped like Dolly Parton - I'll leave you to think where the buttons are.... :) Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Apr 20 14:56:38 1997 Message-Id: <199704201349.PAA10208@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: Mouse interface (was Re: Sugar and Spice Girls) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 15:50:02 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 565 Lines: 22 > Van: BrenchleyR@aol.com > Aan: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Onderwerp: Re: Mouse interface (was Re: Sugar and Spice Girls) > Datum: Sunday, April 20, 1997 3:25 > > In a message dated 18/04/97 16:21:35, you write: > snip > What I want is one shaped like Dolly Parton - I'll leave you to think where > the buttons are.... :) > > Bob. Err..... her big, erm... ears? :o) As you can see, I am still alive. Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] [http://www.caiw.nl/~rjvveeke/hentai2.htm] Hentai Oranda -- may the bandwidth be with you -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Apr 20 19:22:14 1997 Message-Id: <199704201818.TAA14999@athena.clara.net> X-Mailer: Atlantis Web Mail v0.9 From: Malcolm Mackenzie To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 19:18:43 BST Subject: Just to clear things up Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 674 Lines: 19 To all concerned: To sort out a little recent confusion, I'd like to just re-confirm that Persona has existed for 6 years as an Educational software development house (predating Phoenix Software Systems by several years) and that I, Malcolm Mackenzie, am the sole owner of the SAM music package: SAM Midi Sequencer (versions 1 through 3). To my knowledge, I can not be considered a disreputable person! Malcolm Mackenzie ----------------------------------------------------- This email was sent using ClaraNET's Email on the Web feature, a service to it's Customers. ClaraNET is not resposible for the contents of this email. http://www.clara.net/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Apr 20 19:22:19 1997 Message-Id: <199704201819.TAA15021@athena.clara.net> X-Mailer: Atlantis Web Mail v0.9 From: David Ledbur To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 19:19:37 BST Subject: Just to clear things up Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 811 Lines: 24 Hi all! Just like to point out a few details to anyone who has got their facts mistaken regarding myself and Persona Marketing & Development. I am employed, on a freelance basis, Persona to produce the diskzine Blitz (following Steve Pick's demise from the SAM scene). Additionally I am also responsible for handling Internet Access and relevant material for Persona, some programming (including some games) and the odd bit of technical assistance. To my knowledge, I am not a company director or anything of that nature for Persona! David Ledbury ----------------------------------------------------- This email was sent using ClaraNET's Email on the Web feature, a service to it's Customers. ClaraNET is not resposible for the contents of this email. http://www.clara.net/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Apr 20 23:53:13 1997 Message-ID: <335A9D6D.39A7@aqverpg.pb.hx> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 23:49:17 +0100 From: Neville Young Organization: X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sams users mail list Subject: the show Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 458 Lines: 12 See the pictures at http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~nevilley/theshow.htm -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | | Home arivyyrl@aqverpg.pb.hx | | This site is levitated by | Work tou3exae@vozznvy.pbz | | superconducting magnets. | http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~nevilley/homepage| ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 21 10:09:28 1997 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 09:48:08 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@nutmeg.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: New Project from the Cookie Monster ;) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 774 Lines: 16 On 18 Apr 1997, Uncle Bulgaria wrote: > But surely _most_ assemblers store their stuff as tokens (Bit like > BASIC), instead of ASCII, 'coz ASCII eats space, and you want it to be > able to cope with as much as possible. I.e. this could be tricky. But you want ASCII files so you can edit them with anything (LERM assembler editor is horrid). That means we need a decent DOS. -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 21 10:09:28 1997 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 09:53:31 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@nutmeg.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: New Project from the Cookie Monster ;) In-Reply-To: <9704181739.AA28384@gruffle.comlab.ox.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 942 Lines: 31 On Fri, 18 Apr 1997, Ian Collier wrote: [comments comment] > LR 5,6 Transfer register 6 to register 5 > FOO LA 5, 1[5] Increment register 5 > BAL 15,LABEL Call somewhere > JR 15 Jump to contents of register 15 > > Not that this is important or anything - I just thought I'd mention it. :-) In my opinion that is horrid... :) But it would be nice to have a variety of comments like: // comment style two ; comment 3 {comment 4} (* comment 5 *) /* comment 6 */ ....and be able to use any of them.. :) -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 21 10:09:35 1997 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 04:55:21 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970421045519_284457439@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Gloucester Show. Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 110 Lines: 4 Thanks to all who turned up, not as many as usual but at least the IRA did not put too many of you off. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 21 10:09:36 1997 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 04:55:22 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970421045520_-700859819@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Z380 Documentation. Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 520 Lines: 15 Silly me, I did not have my brain in gear on Saturday. I know I gave out 10 photocopies of the Provisional Z380 Manual - but like a fool, I forgot to note who they went to. Those I do remember are:- Steve Nutting, Allan Skillman, Andrew Collier, Stefan Drissen, Frode Tenneboe (glad you managed to make it Frode). So the big question is: who had the other five? Or, more important, who asked for a copy from me (when I requested emails before Easter) and did not get to the show? Let me know and I will post it. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 21 10:09:36 1997 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 09:57:01 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@blue.csi.cam.ac.uk To: Sam-users Subject: Just to clear things up Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1098 Lines: 25 Couldn't help noticing those comments in the letters page of the latest Format. (NB Do Aardman Animations know that Wallace and Gromit feature on the cover of that month's issue?) Frankly if there's any company that could be accused of "bringing the Sam world into disrepute" then it's either the one which is selling the (so called) "Sam Version" of Elite, or instead it's the one which has been taking orders for Retros for two years(ish) and for Kabboom for six months now, without much sign of either being released yet. Why haven't you similarly blacklisted these two companies Bob? Andrew +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Second Law Of Thermodynamics: | Andrew Collier, 1A NatSci | | If you think things are in a | email asc25@hermes.cam.ac.uk | | mess now, just you wait.... | Selwyn College, Cambridge | +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Construction work in progress at http://brain.sel.cam.ac.uk/~asc25 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 21 10:09:36 1997 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 10:01:37 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@blue.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: New Project from the Cookie Monster ;) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 832 Lines: 21 On Mon, 21 Apr 1997, Justin Skists wrote: > But you want ASCII files so you can edit them with anything (LERM > assembler editor is horrid). That means we need a decent DOS. Why the DOS, what's wrong with KE_disk? Andrew Note to new subscribers: This is the sort of message Samsboss might quote when he says I'm flaming people +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Second Law Of Thermodynamics: | Andrew Collier, 1A NatSci | | If you think things are in a | email asc25@hermes.cam.ac.uk | | mess now, just you wait.... | Selwyn College, Cambridge | +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Construction work in progress at http://brain.sel.cam.ac.uk/~asc25 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 21 10:55:45 1997 Message-ID: <7BECD73001F73000@c2gate.tcom.co.uk> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 8:47:00 +0100 From: Dan Doore Organization: * To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no (Sam Users Mailing List) Subject: RE: Dresscode Gloucester Show Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.20B.16 MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 544 Lines: 17 > You won't get into a Gloucester night club without a pair of dress > trousers! Hmmm, a touch too late for myself and Mr White after being refused entry to, of all places, "The Avenue". As an indirect result of my nasty employers poo email system and tardy postoffice syncs, we ended up in some nasty mosh pit called Crackers, and I now have a sore neck courtesy of 'Rage against the Machine'. Dan. P.S. I'm currently slumming it *without* web access, could somebody please mail me the photos from Nev/Andrew's web sites??? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 21 10:55:45 1997 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 10:19:32 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@nutmeg.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: New Project from the Cookie Monster ;) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1250 Lines: 28 On Mon, 21 Apr 1997, Andrew Collier wrote: > On Mon, 21 Apr 1997, Justin Skists wrote: > > > But you want ASCII files so you can edit them with anything (LERM > > assembler editor is horrid). That means we need a decent DOS. > > Why the DOS, what's wrong with KE_disk? The last time i used KE_Disk, it didn't convert ASCII stuff to LERM Toolkit files. Maybe I should be able to write a program to do that, but I can't be bothered to work out the tokens, to do any programming, or to do anything with the SAM - Shoking news, but my non-working project's put me off quite a lot... I've got so many SAM projects on the go (on the hold, I should say) that I could make a career out of it.. > Note to new subscribers: This is the sort of message Samsboss might quote > when he says I'm flaming people A pretty tame flame aswell, that time.. *wink* -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 21 10:55:45 1997 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 10:30:46 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@nutmeg.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: the show In-Reply-To: <335A9D6D.39A7@aqverpg.pb.hx> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 601 Lines: 15 On Sun, 20 Apr 1997, Neville Young wrote: > See the pictures at > http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~nevilley/theshow.htm It's a shame I missed it. :( (What am I saying? I haven't even been to a SAM show yet). -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 21 10:55:49 1997 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 05:47:21 EDT From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: New Project from the Cookie Monster ;) Message-Id: <19970421094738Z49165-27987+3818@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1109 Lines: 32 Date: 1997-04-21 10:42 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------- From: I7207445 To: NYOUNG1 Subject: Re: New Project from the Cookie Monster ;) Date: 21 April 1997 10:22 Ycomments comment? I'm not sure if this wus mentioned but it would be nice if the linker could sort out long and short jumps and break the code (eh?) into predetermined sided chunks, 16K maybe. Then calls can be direct within the same 16K but will be via some paging routine if more than 16K away. Almost impossible but could macros/procedures be built in to handle accessing data so we don't have to worry when writing the code if the data is in the same page or not. I think that would be hard but writing code would be sooooo much simpler. Finally could it support different memory models? suggestions are tiny - everything in < 32K small - data & heap in same 32K, code & stack in another 32K large - data & heap in same 32K, code & stack in many pages huge - data in many pages, heap in many pages, code in may pages, stack in many pages Others maybe. Nev. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 21 11:13:05 1997 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 11:06:25 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@indigo.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: New Project from the Cookie Monster ;) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1352 Lines: 36 On Mon, 21 Apr 1997, Justin Skists wrote: > > > But you want ASCII files so you can edit them with anything (LERM > > > assembler editor is horrid). That means we need a decent DOS. > > > > Why the DOS, what's wrong with KE_disk? > > The last time i used KE_Disk, it didn't convert ASCII stuff to LERM > Toolkit files. Sorry, I thought you meant that we'd need the extended DOS to transfer the ASCII files onto a PC for editing. Did you mean you wanted the DOS itself to convert an ASCII file into LERM format and vice versa? I'm not sure that any DOS would perform that sort of file conversion unaided. > > Note to new subscribers: This is the sort of message Samsboss might quote > > when he says I'm flaming people > > A pretty tame flame aswell, that time.. *wink* Oh yes, thanks for the support. You're a great help. Honest. Andrew +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Second Law Of Thermodynamics: | Andrew Collier, 1A NatSci | | If you think things are in a | email asc25@hermes.cam.ac.uk | | mess now, just you wait.... | Selwyn College, Cambridge | +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Construction work in progress at http://brain.sel.cam.ac.uk/~asc25 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 21 11:33:59 1997 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 11:26:43 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@nutmeg.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: New Project from the Cookie Monster ;) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1540 Lines: 39 On Mon, 21 Apr 1997, Andrew Collier wrote: > On Mon, 21 Apr 1997, Justin Skists wrote: > > > > > But you want ASCII files so you can edit them with anything (LERM > > > > assembler editor is horrid). That means we need a decent DOS. > > > > > > Why the DOS, what's wrong with KE_disk? > > > > The last time i used KE_Disk, it didn't convert ASCII stuff to LERM > > Toolkit files. > > Sorry, I thought you meant that we'd need the extended DOS to transfer the > ASCII files onto a PC for editing. I originally meant that SAMDOS needs fixing so that you could read from and write to files easily without needing to hold the whole lot in memory so you could use ASCII files. > Did you mean you wanted the DOS itself to convert an ASCII file into LERM > format and vice versa? I'm not sure that any DOS would perform that sort > of file conversion unaided. When you said about KE-DISK, I thought you meant that you meant it had a function that would convert ASCII to Lerm Assembler. > > A pretty tame flame aswell, that time.. *wink* > > Oh yes, thanks for the support. You're a great help. Honest. You know I'm only kidding. :) -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 21 12:58:25 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970421123731.00f5d460@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 12:37:31 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: RE: Dresscode Gloucester Show In-Reply-To: <7BECD73001F73000@c2gate.tcom.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 407 Lines: 14 At 08:47 AM 4/21/97 +0100, you wrote: >As an indirect result of my nasty employers poo email system and tardy >postoffice syncs, we ended up in some nasty >mosh pit called Crackers, and I now have a sore neck courtesy of 'Rage >against the Machine'. Ah, so you've got "THE SORE NECK" too, eh Dan? I dunno about you, but I've only just turned sober again ;) (And yes, my neck IS killing me) Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 21 12:58:25 1997 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 07:45:48 EDT From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: New Project from the Cookie Monster ;) Message-Id: <19970421114612Z49177-27987+3827@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1492 Lines: 45 Date: 1997-04-21 12:44 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 11:26:43 +0100 (BST) >From: Justin Skists >To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >Subject: Re: New Project from the Cookie Monster ;) > >On Mon, 21 Apr 1997, Andrew Collier wrote: > >>> >> > > > But you want ASCII files so you can edit them with anything (LERM >> > > > assembler editor is horrid). That means we need a decent DOS. >> > > >> > > Why the DOS, what's wrong with KE_disk? >> > >> > The last time i used KE_Disk, it didn't convert ASCII stuff to LERM >> > Toolkit files. >> >> Sorry, I thought you meant that we'd need the extended DOS to transfer the >> ASCII files onto a PC for editing. > >I originally meant that SAMDOS needs fixing so that you could read from and >write to files easily without needing to hold the whole lot in memory so >you could use ASCII files. Oh you mean like opentype files in masterdos. > >> Did you mean you wanted the DOS itself to convert an ASCII file into LERM >> format and vice versa? I'm not sure that any DOS would perform that sort >> of file conversion unaided. > >When you said about KE-DISK, I thought you meant that you meant it had a >function that would convert ASCII to Lerm Assembler. > >> > A pretty tame flame aswell, that time.. *wink* >> >> Oh yes, thanks for the support. You're a great help. Honest. > >You know I'm only kidding. :) > nev looking for a box of matches :-) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 21 13:15:37 1997 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 14:07:55 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9704211207.AA09584@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Discovery (and a half) AND Photos X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 166 Lines: 6 > PS. Selected photos from today's Gloucester show will hopefully be > available on my website by the end of the week. So...your camera actually worked? :) -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 21 13:41:03 1997 Subject: Re: Discovery (and a half) AND Photos To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 13:27:29 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <9704211207.AA09584@asmal.edh-net> from "Frode Tenneboe" at Apr 21, 97 02:07:55 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <19970421123018Z49157-27987+3831@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 230 Lines: 9 > > > PS. Selected photos from today's Gloucester show will hopefully be > > available on my website by the end of the week. > > So...your camera actually worked? :) That was a camera? I thought it was a mobile phone ;) Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 21 14:07:37 1997 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 13:58:17 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@mersenne.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: New Project from the Cookie Monster ;) In-Reply-To: <19970421114612Z49177-27987+3827@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 791 Lines: 17 On Mon, 21 Apr 1997, YOUNG Neville, IT Life wrote: > >I originally meant that SAMDOS needs fixing so that you could read from and > >write to files easily without needing to hold the whole lot in memory so > >you could use ASCII files. > Oh you mean like opentype files in masterdos. Probably. But, since I don't have masterdos.... Oh well.. Another thing to add on my "To Do With Sam" list... -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 21 14:45:56 1997 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 15:09:32 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9704211309.AA09613@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Gloucester Show. X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 530 Lines: 17 > Thanks to all who turned up, not as many as usual but at least the IRA did > not put too many of you off. As this was my first time I wouldn't really know, but I seem to recaly you saying this for each show. Is this the last we have seen of the Gloucester Show? Oh...thanks to Emma & Allan for letting me stay with them for the show, to the 'largest flock of SAM people outside the show rooms' for making it a meorable day, to Bob for arranging the lot, and NOT to whoever poisoned me! -Frode still not 100%. > > Bob. > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 21 14:45:56 1997 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 14:11:51 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@navy.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no cc: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Discovery (and a half) AND Photos In-Reply-To: <19970421123018Z49157-27987+3831@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 985 Lines: 26 On Mon, 21 Apr 1997, Simon Cooke wrote: > > > PS. Selected photos from today's Gloucester show will hopefully be > > > available on my website by the end of the week. > > > > So...your camera actually worked? :) > > That was a camera? I thought it was a mobile phone ;) What, the small grey box with a lens and flash? I'm taking the film to be developed this afternoon. I've still received no bribes, looks like all those pictures are going to make it onto the web page. Andrew +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Second Law Of Thermodynamics: | Andrew Collier, 1A NatSci | | If you think things are in a | email asc25@hermes.cam.ac.uk | | mess now, just you wait.... | Selwyn College, Cambridge | +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Construction work in progress at http://brain.sel.cam.ac.uk/~asc25 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 21 14:45:56 1997 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 09:16:24 EDT From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Discovery (and a half) AND Photos Message-Id: <19970421131645Z49158-27987+3834@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 649 Lines: 25 Date: 1997-04-21 14:12 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Subject: Re: Discovery (and a half) AND Photos To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 13:27:29 +0100 (BST) >Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) >From: Simon Cooke > >> >> > PS. Selected photos from today's Gloucester show will hopefully be >> > available on my website by the end of the week. >> >> So...your camera actually worked? :) > >That was a camera? I thought it was a mobile phone ;) > >Simon He's soooo s....l....o.....w my piccies were there last night :-) nev. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 21 14:45:56 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <29346.199704211322@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Discovery (and a half) AND Photos To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 14:22:00 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <9704211207.AA09584@asmal.edh-net> from "Frode Tenneboe" at Apr 21, 97 02:07:55 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 199 Lines: 5 > > PS. Selected photos from today's Gloucester show will hopefully be > > available on my website by the end of the week. 'scuse me, but who wrote this? I want to know what website to look at. :) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 21 14:45:57 1997 Message-Id: <199704211324.PAA22815@dxmint.cern.ch> X-Authentication-Warning: dxmint.cern.ch: Host hpopl1.cern.ch [137.138.243.47] claimed to be hpopb1.cern.ch From: Allan Skillman Subject: Re: Gloucester Show. To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 21 Apr 97 15:24:19 METDST In-Reply-To: <9704211309.AA09613@asmal.edh-net>; from "Frode Tenneboe" at Apr 21, 97 3:09 pm Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 983 Lines: 17 > > Oh...thanks to Emma & Allan for letting me stay with them for the show, > to the 'largest flock of SAM people outside the show rooms' for making it > a meorable day, to Bob for arranging the lot, and NOT to whoever poisoned > me! Wasn't me, Nobody saw me do it, can't prove a thing........ :) +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Now available! SimCoupe, the one and only SAM Coupe emulator | | *** http://www.hep.ucl.ac.uk/~ajs/simcoupe/simcoupe_distr.html *** | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ | Allan Skillman | "There are five flavours of resons, the | | HEPP Group | elementary particles of magic : up, down, | | University College London | sideways, sex-appeal and peppermint." | | Email : ajs@hep.ucl.ac.uk | - Terry Pratchett (Lords and Ladies) | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 21 16:15:03 1997 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 16:06:57 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@napier.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Discovery (and a half) AND Photos In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 732 Lines: 17 On Mon, 21 Apr 1997, Andrew Collier wrote: > I'm taking the film to be developed this afternoon. I've still received no > bribes, looks like all those pictures are going to make it onto the web > page. Since I wasn't there, I don't need to offer bribes.. :) I hate photos taken of me anyway. As for the actual taking of photos.. :) -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 21 16:39:55 1997 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 11:27:43 EDT From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: New Project from the Cookie Monster ;) Message-Id: <19970421152837Z49160-27987+3856@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1006 Lines: 35 Date: 1997-04-21 16:04 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 13:58:17 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists >To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >Subject: Re: New Project from the Cookie Monster ;) > >On Mon, 21 Apr 1997, YOUNG Neville, IT Life wrote: > >> >I originally meant that SAMDOS needs fixing so that you could read from and >> >write to files easily without needing to hold the whole lot in memory so >> >you could use ASCII files. >> Oh you mean like opentype files in masterdos. > >Probably. But, since I don't have masterdos.... >Oh well.. Another thing to add on my "To Do With Sam" list... > Well quite. I'm not going to say why not buy it then as you must have good reasons. But consider paying yourself 1.00 UKP per hour and see if its cost effective to write something to do it. Directed not just at Justin but anyone who wants to re-invent the wheel. No offense intended. THIS IS NOT A FLAME. nev :-) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 21 17:09:10 1997 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 17:04:14 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@napier.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: New Project from the Cookie Monster ;) In-Reply-To: <19970421152837Z49160-27987+3856@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1159 Lines: 33 On Mon, 21 Apr 1997, YOUNG Neville, IT Life wrote: > Well quite. I'm not going to say why not buy it then as you must have good > reasons. The thing on the "To Do With SAM" list was actually buying it... The main reason for not buying it is "No money"... > But > consider paying yourself 1.00 UKP per hour and see if its cost effective to > write something to do it. > > Directed not just at Justin but anyone who wants to re-invent the wheel. I had no intention of re-inventing opentypes. I wouldn't even know where to start. The only times I reinvent things is when I want to know how they work and probably make them work the way I want it to work. > No offense intended. None taken... > THIS IS NOT A FLAME. Would you like fries with that, sir? :) -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 21 19:11:56 1997 Message-Id: <199704211804.TAA16052@mail.enterprise.net> From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-FTN-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Something useful to us all. Date: 21 Apr 1997 19:01:39 Organization: Dalmation headquarters X-newsreader: Spot 1.3 Unregistered X-mailer: NetGate 1.3 (Amiga; TCP/IP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1641 Lines: 44 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Yo SAM Users, How about something really useful? I don't know if Andrew got around to working on his SAM disk compression/archive thing over the holiday period (did you Andrew?), but here's an idea... I know some people on the list are pretty good at writing little routines for reading and writing from and to 720K PC disks with SAM - and there are also programs like KE_Disk and PC Suite. KE_Disk is an awkward bast because it fails to work with disks formatted on MasterDOS (my version wont recognise them). Anyway here's what I'd like to see: Something that will read the entire contents of each side of a disk into RAM (like MasterDOS's: READ AT 1,0,1,32000,800) and then saves the file to a nice clean formatted PC disk as "SIDE1.BIN" CODE length = 409600. Then it reads in side 2 from track 128 and saves to _another_ PC disk as "SIDE2.BIN". Then we need one (or the same program) to do the reverse - write the code back to SAM disks - straight from the PC disks, without all the hassle of splitting the files and transferring them with PC Suite (which cant handle 400K files), or using any other second utility. I'm not really interested in compressing the files at the SAM end, because they can easily be Zipped once on the PC/Amiga/ST/Archi - ready for transferring up to NVG, Web sites and wherever else those liddle SAM disks might end up. I think this is a worthwhile idea and it will end the heartache of all those people (like me) who can't use Teledisk. Since SAM will do most of the work, it'll probably be the best (2nd computer) multi-platform option available. Well? Dave Whitmore From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 21 19:41:01 1997 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 19:36:04 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@indigo.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Discovery (and a half) AND Photos In-Reply-To: <29346.199704211322@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 969 Lines: 23 On Mon, 21 Apr 1997, Mr P R Walker wrote: > > > PS. Selected photos from today's Gloucester show will hopefully be > > > available on my website by the end of the week. > > 'scuse me, but who wrote this? I want to know what website to look at. :) Does the word ".sig" mean anything to you? Try starting at http://brain.sel.cam.ac.uk/~asc25, but not yet (overnight developing... I'm picking them up at about 11am, so a few might get scanned by the afternoon. Andrew +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Second Law Of Thermodynamics: | Andrew Collier, 1A NatSci | | If you think things are in a | email asc25@hermes.cam.ac.uk | | mess now, just you wait.... | Selwyn College, Cambridge | +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Construction work in progress at http://brain.sel.cam.ac.uk/~asc25 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 21 19:47:33 1997 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 19:42:41 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@indigo.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Something useful to us all. In-Reply-To: <199704211804.TAA16052@mail.enterprise.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1385 Lines: 30 On 21 Apr 1997, Dave Whitmore wrote: > I don't know if Andrew got around to working on his SAM disk > compression/archive thing over the holiday period (did you Andrew?), but > here's an idea... Nearly done... it does everything it's supposed to, except input a filename (currently uses "TEST"). I have actually used the DOS hook code to save the resulting file onto Sam disk because that one does work, to an extent - may God help you if there's a disk error. It's an idea to have the file saved to PC disk as well as Sam disk, but certainly would involve quite a lot of extra work (though thanks to SF's article in BOAI2 I think I can do it) so that may or may not get done. Are you sure KE_Disk doesn't recognise MasterDos disks? Works fine for me (I think) provided MasterDos or SamDos is saved on the disk as usual. What version do you have? I use the one on FRED36. Andrew +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Second Law Of Thermodynamics: | Andrew Collier, 1A NatSci | | If you think things are in a | email asc25@hermes.cam.ac.uk | | mess now, just you wait.... | Selwyn College, Cambridge | +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Construction work in progress at http://brain.sel.cam.ac.uk/~asc25 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 21 20:23:06 1997 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 15:14:43 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970421151439_-1501486665@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: the show Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 350 Lines: 15 In a message dated 21/04/97 09:56:52, you write: >On Sun, 20 Apr 1997, Neville Young wrote: > >> See the pictures at >> http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~nevilley/theshow.htm > >It's a shame I missed it. :( (What am I saying? I haven't even been to a SAM >show yet). Shame on you Justin. For that you must promis to attend at least the next six. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 21 20:23:06 1997 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 15:14:46 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970421151444_-567104567@emout15.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Gloucester Show. Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 461 Lines: 14 In a message dated 21/04/97 14:11:43, you write: >> >> Oh...thanks to Emma & Allan for letting me stay with them for the show, >> to the 'largest flock of SAM people outside the show rooms' for making it >> a meorable day, to Bob for arranging the lot, and NOT to whoever poisoned >> me! >Wasn't me, Nobody saw me do it, can't prove a thing........ :) If you did do it - there were enought cameras there that one must have got the photo to prove it. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 21 20:23:22 1997 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 15:14:35 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970421151428_707821879@emout01.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Just to clear things up Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 885 Lines: 26 In a message dated 21/04/97 09:08:07, you write: >Couldn't help noticing those comments in the letters >page of the latest Format. (NB Do Aardman Animations >know that Wallace and Gromit feature on the cover of >that month's issue?) Yes they do, we sent them a complimentry copy, as the did the last time we used them. > >Frankly if there's any company that could be accused >of "bringing the Sam world into disrepute" then it's >either the one which is selling the (so called) "Sam >Version" of Elite, or instead it's the one which has >been taking orders for Retros for two years(ish) and >for Kabboom for six months now, without much sign of >either being released yet. Why haven't you similarly >blacklisted these two companies Bob? Because both are reputable compnaies of long standing. Neither have done anything to bring the SAM into disrepute have they? > > >Andrew Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 21 20:23:22 1997 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 15:15:00 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970421151443_1154317240@emout13.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Discovery (and a half) AND Photos Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 300 Lines: 11 In a message dated 21/04/97 14:11:31, you write: >> > PS. Selected photos from today's Gloucester show will hopefully be >> > available on my website by the end of the week. > >'scuse me, but who wrote this? I want to know what website to look at. :) I don't think you really mean that.... Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 21 20:27:23 1997 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 20:23:13 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@indigo.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Discovery (and a half) AND Photos In-Reply-To: <970421151443_1154317240@emout13.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 944 Lines: 23 On Mon, 21 Apr 1997 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > >> > PS. Selected photos from today's Gloucester show will hopefully be > >> > available on my website by the end of the week. > > > >'scuse me, but who wrote this? I want to know what website to look at. :) > > I don't think you really mean that.... If you don't want to visit then you don't have to, but I for one can't see why anyone would want to knock it. (Obscure reference TM) Andrew +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Second Law Of Thermodynamics: | Andrew Collier, 1A NatSci | | If you think things are in a | email asc25@hermes.cam.ac.uk | | mess now, just you wait.... | Selwyn College, Cambridge | +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Construction work in progress at http://brain.sel.cam.ac.uk/~asc25 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 21 20:31:06 1997 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 20:26:58 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@napier.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: the show In-Reply-To: <970421151439_-1501486665@emout10.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 873 Lines: 26 On Mon, 21 Apr 1997 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 21/04/97 09:56:52, you write: > > >On Sun, 20 Apr 1997, Neville Young wrote: > > > >> See the pictures at > >> http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~nevilley/theshow.htm > > > >It's a shame I missed it. :( (What am I saying? I haven't even been to a SAM > > >show yet). > > Shame on you Justin. For that you must promis to attend at least the next > six. If someone pays for my transport and tickets, I will... :) -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 21 20:36:43 1997 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 20:30:44 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@napier.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Discovery (and a half) AND Photos In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 612 Lines: 14 On Mon, 21 Apr 1997, Andrew Collier wrote: > If you don't want to visit then you don't have to, but I for one can't see > why anyone would want to knock it. (Obscure reference TM) And it doesn't have me in it.. :) -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 21 22:34:15 1997 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 22:28:13 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@indigo.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Just to clear things up In-Reply-To: <970421151428_707821879@emout01.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 915 Lines: 25 On Mon, 21 Apr 1997 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: ... > >been taking orders for Retros for two years(ish) and > >for Kabboom for six months now, without much sign of > >either being released yet. Why haven't you similarly > >blacklisted these two companies Bob? > > Because both are reputable compnaies of long standing. Neither have done > anything to bring the SAM into disrepute have they? Has Persona? Andrew +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Second Law Of Thermodynamics: | Andrew Collier, 1A NatSci | | If you think things are in a | email asc25@hermes.cam.ac.uk | | mess now, just you wait.... | Selwyn College, Cambridge | +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Construction work in progress at http://brain.sel.cam.ac.uk/~asc25 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 21 23:28:43 1997 Message-ID: <335BD9D0.45D9@aqverpg.pb.hx> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 22:19:31 +0100 From: Neville Young Organization: X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: the show References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1169 Lines: 38 Justin Skists wrote: > > On Mon, 21 Apr 1997 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 21/04/97 09:56:52, you write: > > > > >On Sun, 20 Apr 1997, Neville Young wrote: > > > > > >> See the pictures at > > >> http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~nevilley/theshow.htm > > > > > >It's a shame I missed it. :( (What am I saying? I haven't even been to a SAM > > > > >show yet). > > > > Shame on you Justin. For that you must promis to attend at least the next > > six. > > If someone pays for my transport and tickets, I will... :) > Oh come on laddie. Yer only just down't road in Leicester. Tha could walk it in a day or two. I dun't know, youth of today, nowt but idle. Now in _my_ day we had to get up at 5 o'clock and for breakfast we had to make do wi [NO CARRIER] -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | | Home arivyyrl@aqverpg.pb.hx | | This site is levitated by | Work tou3exae@vozznvy.pbz | | superconducting magnets. | http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~nevilley/homepage| ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 22 00:12:53 1997 From: Gavin Smith Organization: University of Ulster To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 00:19:16 GMT Subject: Re: Just to clear things up X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <157FB3A4AD9@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2390 Lines: 41 > > >been taking orders for Retros for two years(ish) and > > >for Kabboom for six months now, without much sign of > > >either being released yet. Why haven't you similarly > > >blacklisted these two companies Bob? > > > > Because both are reputable compnaies of long standing. Neither have done > > anything to bring the SAM into disrepute have they? In case anyone is wondering what we are talking about, we are referring to a letter in Format's April issue, in which someone is asking where he could get the SAM MIDI Sequencer software from. Bob of course decided that he would once again be the judge of the whole SAM scene, and wouldn't give the person the answer. His reasons were that a person he didn't name, (although I think it was clear he was referring to good old Dave Ledbury), had "brought the SAM world into disrepute with his business activities". Whether or not Dave did more bad than good is not the point here (and I believe he did much more good), but that Bob failed to publicise a SAM company, and help the person who needed the software, _is_ the point. Dave doesn't even run Persona! I have had dealings with Persona, and found them extremely fast, friendly and their products of a very high quality. Bob, how do you know that a completely different company from Dave's old one(s), with a different name, and a different manager could be unreliable in any way? I would write to Format letters pages with such points, but the chances of it getting printed, are of course nil. "Although he now preports to have nothing to do with the running of his new company, the evidence seems to be quite the opposite". Well, that's bloody funny coming from you Bob, Mr West- Coast-Revelations-Format-Publications. Unless you have actually dealt with Persona, and found them to be unreliable, (and I almost laugh at the thought of you buying a product that wasn't produced from within your own little consortium of companies), then you have no right to give that company a bad name. Especially when I am waiting on a Two-up ordered about 4 months ago, for which I have received no explanation or apology, a SAM_Clock which I have also received no explanation or apology for not receiving also after 4 months and your failure to reply to my emails on the subject at the beginning of this year. Gavin (tired, angry and sick of Prolog assignments) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 22 09:30:28 1997 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 04:18:49 EDT From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Gloucester Show. Message-Id: <19970422081907Z49164-27987+3934@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 762 Lines: 27 Date: 1997-04-22 09:14 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 15:14:46 -0400 (EDT) >From: BrenchleyR@aol.com >To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >Subject: Re: Gloucester Show. > >In a message dated 21/04/97 14:11:43, you write: > >>> >>> Oh...thanks to Emma & Allan for letting me stay with them for the show, >>> to the 'largest flock of SAM people outside the show rooms' for making it >>> a meorable day, to Bob for arranging the lot, and NOT to whoever poisoned >>> me] >>Wasn't me, Nobody saw me do it, can't prove a thing........ :) > >If you did do it - there were enought cameras there that one must have got >the photo to prove it. Frode. you didn't _drink_ the water did you? Nev. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 22 09:54:00 1997 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 09:32:30 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@puce.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Just to clear things up In-Reply-To: <157FB3A4AD9@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2049 Lines: 41 On Tue, 22 Apr 1997, Gavin Smith wrote: > of course decided that he would once again be the judge of the whole > SAM scene, and wouldn't give the person the answer. His reasons were > that a person he didn't name, (although I think it was clear he was > referring to good old Dave Ledbury), had "brought the SAM world into > disrepute with his business activities". Whether or not Dave did more bad The worst thing is that this very topic had been discussed on this list a few short months ago, and even then Bob had failed to come up with anything significant to say against Persona. Except resorting to personal grudges, I don't think there's anything Bob can say against Persona which wouldn't be true about most other Sam companies. The *really* depressing thing is that there could be a whole load of people out there who only get one magazine; Format. Not only do they miss out on a whole load of other Sam writing (the editor doesn't accept adverts from other magazines like Zodiac or presumably Crashed) but they might beleive every word their editor tells them. This puts Bob in a very priviledged position, and I wish I could say it had been used properly. But in the old days when there were letters about the proposed new ASIC, or accelerator, or even the first rumors about the hard drive, these were categorically not being worked on. Same goes for the Midi sequencer first time around, infomation was available that Persona were selling it, and since that wasn't printed it seems a bit of research was called for. Andrew +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Second Law Of Thermodynamics: | Andrew Collier, 1A NatSci | | If you think things are in a | email asc25@hermes.cam.ac.uk | | mess now, just you wait.... | Selwyn College, Cambridge | +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Construction work in progress at http://brain.sel.cam.ac.uk/~asc25 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 22 10:05:23 1997 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 10:56:23 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9704220856.AA10163@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Gloucester Show. X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 217 Lines: 8 > >If you did do it - there were enought cameras there that one must have got > >the photo to prove it. > > Frode. you didn't _drink_ the water did you? Rest easy. I was sick before I got to Gloucester. :) -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 22 11:10:52 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <16757.199704220954@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Discovery (and a half) AND Photos To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 10:54:06 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Andrew Collier" at Apr 21, 97 07:36:04 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 238 Lines: 8 > > 'scuse me, but who wrote this? I want to know what website to look at. :) > Does the word ".sig" mean anything to you? It does, yes. It's not a whole lot of use when I wasn't subscribed for the original posting though, is it? Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 22 11:10:52 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <17032.199704220957@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Just to clear things up To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 10:56:57 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <970421151428_707821879@emout01.mail.aol.com> from "BrenchleyR@aol.com" at Apr 21, 97 03:14:35 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 164 Lines: 5 > >been taking orders for Retros for two years(ish) and > >for Kabboom for six months now, without much sign of Good point. Anyone know what happened to Retros? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 22 11:10:53 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <17362.199704220959@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Discovery (and a half) AND Photos To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 10:59:44 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <970421151443_1154317240@emout13.mail.aol.com> from "BrenchleyR@aol.com" at Apr 21, 97 03:15:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 208 Lines: 8 > >'scuse me, but who wrote this? I want to know what website to look at. :) > I don't think you really mean that.... I wasn't able to make it to the show, the least I can do is check out the photos. Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 22 11:10:54 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <17610.199704221002@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Just to clear things up To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 11:01:58 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <157FB3A4AD9@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> from "Gavin Smith" at Apr 22, 97 00:19:16 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 427 Lines: 13 > any way? I would write to Format letters pages with such points, but the > chances of it getting printed, are of course nil. Odd. The same thoughts were going through my mind... > company a bad name. Especially when I am waiting on a Two-up ordered > apology, a SAM_Clock which I have also received no explanation or apology > for not receiving also after 4 months and your failure to reply to my Still? Nasty. Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 22 11:10:54 1997 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 06:04:11 EDT From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Gloucester Show. Message-Id: <19970422100429Z49170-27987+3944@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 746 Lines: 26 Date: 1997-04-22 10:57 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 10:56:23 +0200 >From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) >To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >Subject: Re: Gloucester Show. > >> >If you did do it - there were enought cameras there that one must have got >> >the photo to prove it. >> >> Frode. you didn't _drink_ the water did you? > >Rest easy. I was sick before I got to Gloucester. :) > So were you sick in the water ? Do you have small rose coloured rings under your arms. Do you have large black boils that burst and ooze a foul stinking puss. no? then you no not have the bubonic plague. you will either recover of die. There is no fee for this advice. Nev. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 22 11:26:11 1997 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 12:19:05 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9704221019.AA10278@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Gloucester Show. X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 465 Lines: 20 > >Rest easy. I was sick before I got to Gloucester. :) > > > So were you sick in the water ? > Do you have small rose coloured rings under your arms. > Do you have large black boils that burst and ooze a foul stinking puss. > no? > then you no not have the bubonic plague. > you will either recover of die. You should be able to decide for yourself. It's most likely highly contageous. -Frode > There is no fee for this advice. Nor this one. > Nev. -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 22 11:42:01 1997 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 11:26:50 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@lagrange.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: the show In-Reply-To: <335BD9D0.45D9@aqverpg.pb.hx> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 791 Lines: 21 On Mon, 21 Apr 1997, Neville Young wrote: > > If someone pays for my transport and tickets, I will... :) > > > Oh come on laddie. Yer only just down't road in Leicester. Tha could > walk it in a day or two. > I dun't know, youth of today, nowt but idle. Now in _my_ day we had to > get up at 5 o'clock and > for breakfast we had to make do wi > [NO CARRIER] That shows your age.... ;) -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 22 11:42:01 1997 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 11:28:49 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@lagrange.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Gloucester Show. In-Reply-To: <9704221019.AA10278@asmal.edh-net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 955 Lines: 29 On Tue, 22 Apr 1997, Frode Tenneboe wrote: > > >Rest easy. I was sick before I got to Gloucester. :) > > > > > So were you sick in the water ? > > Do you have small rose coloured rings under your arms. > > Do you have large black boils that burst and ooze a foul stinking puss. > > no? > > then you no not have the bubonic plague. > > you will either recover of die. > > You should be able to decide for yourself. It's most likely highly contageous. > > -Frode > > > There is no fee for this advice. > > Nor this one. > It's the ebola!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 22 13:10:21 1997 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) Subject: Re: Discovery (and a half) AND Photos References: <19970421123018Z49157-27987+3831@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware From: Uncle Bulgaria Date: 22 Apr 1997 12:43:29 +0100 In-Reply-To: Simon Cooke's message of Mon, 21 Apr 1997 13:27:29 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.46/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 598 Lines: 19 Simon Cooke writes: > > > > > PS. Selected photos from today's Gloucester show will hopefully be > > > available on my website by the end of the week. > > > > So...your camera actually worked? :) > > That was a camera? I thought it was a mobile phone ;) > Nope, he was just taking a picture of his ear ... Lee. -- With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. [ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/rfc/rfc1925.txt.gz] From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 22 13:10:23 1997 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Just to clear things up References: <970421151428_707821879@emout01.mail.aol.com> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware From: Uncle Bulgaria Date: 22 Apr 1997 12:47:02 +0100 In-Reply-To: BrenchleyR@aol.com's message of Mon, 21 Apr 1997 15:14:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.46/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 960 Lines: 24 BrenchleyR@aol.com writes: > In a message dated 21/04/97 09:08:07, Andrew Collier write: > > >Frankly if there's any company that could be accused > >of "bringing the Sam world into disrepute" then it's > >either the one which is selling the (so called) "Sam > >Version" of Elite, or instead it's the one which has > >been taking orders for Retros for two years(ish) and > >for Kabboom for six months now, without much sign of > >either being released yet. Why haven't you similarly > >blacklisted these two companies Bob? > > Because both are reputable compnaies of long standing. Neither have done > anything to bring the SAM into disrepute have they? Presumably you did read the above paragraph? Lee. -- With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. [ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/rfc/rfc1925.txt.gz] From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 22 13:10:25 1997 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Gloucester Show. References: <19970422100429Z49170-27987+3944@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware From: Uncle Bulgaria Date: 22 Apr 1997 12:50:06 +0100 In-Reply-To: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life"'s message of Tue, 22 Apr 1997 06:04:11 EDT Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.46/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 776 Lines: 21 "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" writes: > So were you sick in the water ? > Do you have small rose coloured rings under your arms. > Do you have large black boils that burst and ooze a foul stinking puss. > no? > then you no not have the bubonic plague. > you will either recover of die. > There is no fee for this advice. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This presumably to avoid the 'Services to third parties' clause in your contract I s'pose ;) Lee. {Only joking, I'm not strating _that_ thread again!} -- With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. [ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/rfc/rfc1925.txt.gz] From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 22 13:42:18 1997 Subject: Re: the show To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 13:17:14 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: from "Justin Skists" at Apr 22, 97 11:26:50 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <19970422121808Z49169-27987+3953@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 480 Lines: 17 > > I dun't know, youth of today, nowt but idle. Now in _my_ day we had to > > get up at 5 o'clock and > > for breakfast we had to make do wi > > [NO CARRIER] > > That shows your age.... ;) Yep... arthritic, ing joints, and [NO CARRIER] bad because he left it on the bus because he's so old that he forgot who and where he was, and what he was carrying... I AM rod hull... I *AM* him... ermm.... we return you to your normally scheduled simon cooke ;) Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 22 13:42:18 1997 Subject: Re: the show To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 13:25:27 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <19970422121808Z49169-27987+3953@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> from "Simon Cooke" at Apr 22, 97 01:17:14 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <19970422122638Z49168-27987+3954@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 580 Lines: 15 > Yep... arthritic, ing joints, and [NO CARRIER] bad because he left > it on the bus because he's so old that he forgot who and where he was, > and what he was carrying... *ahem* make that no carrier /bag/ :) BTW: No offence intended. Any and all personalities exhibited by this mentally deranged person are property of, trademark and copyright Simon Cooke. Mind you, I no longer have the pipex dial account, so I can't carry on flaming people as Samsboss. You have all been fooled. Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahah! (Sorry... deranged day at the office today) Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 22 14:06:57 1997 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 13:50:33 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@bessel.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: the show In-Reply-To: <19970422121808Z49169-27987+3953@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 505 Lines: 14 On Tue, 22 Apr 1997, Simon Cooke wrote: > I AM rod hull... I *AM* him... Have some green flavoured jelly.. -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 22 14:30:56 1997 From: James R Curry Organization: De Montfort University To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 12:27:29 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Just to clear things up In-reply-to: <17032.199704220957@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> References: <970421151428_707821879@emout01.mail.aol.com> from "BrenchleyR@aol.com" at Apr 21, 97 03:14:35 pm X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.50) Message-ID: <1AB4D456D98@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 866 Lines: 25 > > >been taking orders for Retros for two years(ish) and > > >for Kabboom for six months now, without much sign of > > Good point. Anyone know what happened to Retros? Why don't we all email Mr Matt "I'll finish it one day - when I get the time. Honest. Maybe this week." Round. Oh, damn. I'm being hypocritical. Wasy 2, James.. Wasy 2... Still, I bet I finish Wasy 2 before Matt finishes Retro's.. As to Kaboom.. I think Wayne's new job is taking up a large percentage of his time. -- James R Curry hc95jc@dmu.ac.uk "When Marge first told me she was going to the police academy, I thought it'd be fun and exciting, you know, like that movie, 'Spaceballs'. But instead it's been painful and disturbing like that movie 'Police Academy'." - Homer Simpson, the Simpsons. The official James R Curry web page is under construction! Stand by. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 22 15:36:29 1997 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 09:38:18 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970422093818_482213356@emout17.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Just to clear things up Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 914 Lines: 24 In a message dated 22/04/97 03:15:49, you write: >> >been taking orders for Retros for two years(ish) and >> >for Kabboom for six months now, without much sign of >> >either being released yet. Why haven't you similarly >> >blacklisted these two companies Bob? >> >> Because both are reputable compnaies of long standing. Neither have done >> anything to bring the SAM into disrepute have they? > >Has Persona? > > >Andrew I was talking about David Ledbury, someone who you are well aware I consider to have brought a lot of disrepute onto the SAM scene. Now the 'claim' is that he has nothing to do with Persona, but from the evidence of my own eyes at both Wetherby shows, he seems to have a considerable amount to do with the running of Persona. He also clearly considers himself to be a spokesman for the company as he has regularly signed up to ISPs using Persona's name in one form or another. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 22 15:36:30 1997 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 14:39:31 +0000 Subject: Re: the show X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <6B02F1B96@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 479 Lines: 17 > > I AM rod hull... I *AM* him... > > Have some green flavoured jelly.. Eh? Surely it was just green jelly? Not greeen flavored? Ah well, chicken lollies. --dave-- ADVERTISEMENT---- | Holy Cheesus! Cheese flavored potato balls snack! From the makers of Schmilk - the surprising alternative to milk! | ------------+ eat my face: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/5636/ drink my beer: http://yi.com/home/HooperDave/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 22 15:36:30 1997 From: Gavin Smith Organization: University of Ulster To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 14:58:18 GMT Subject: Re: Just to clear things up X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <166A21720FC@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 522 Lines: 11 > I was talking about David Ledbury, someone who you are well aware I > consider to have brought a lot of disrepute onto the SAM scene. Now the > 'claim' is that he has nothing to do with Persona, but from the evidence of > my own eyes at both Wetherby shows, he seems to have a considerable amount > to do with the running of Persona. Mr. Hypocritical strikes yet again ARRRRRRRRRGH! WEST COAST COMPUTERS, REVELATION SOFTWARE!!!! YOU DON'T HAPPEN TO RUN THEM DO YOU?! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 22 15:36:31 1997 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 10:11:59 EDT From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Gloucester Show. Message-Id: <19970422141231Z49168-27987+3958@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 876 Lines: 34 Date: 1997-04-22 13:54 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Subject: Re: Gloucester Show. >From: Uncle Bulgaria >Date: 22 Apr 1997 12:50:06 +0100 > >"YOUNG Neville, IT Life" writes: > >> So were you sick in the water ? >> Do you have small rose coloured rings under your arms. >> Do you have large black boils that burst and ooze a foul stinking puss. >> no? >> then you no not have the bubonic plague. >> you will either recover of die. >> There is no fee for this advice. > cccccccccccccccccccccccccc > >This presumably to avoid the 'Services to third parties' clause in your >contract I s'pose ;) Oh absurlooterly ] > >Lee. >{Only joking, I'm not strating _that_ thread again]} why not most of the other threads have strated again. nev :-) -@ - e ) -@ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 22 16:27:42 1997 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 15:48:53 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@blue.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: the show In-Reply-To: <6B02F1B96@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 829 Lines: 26 On Tue, 22 Apr 1997, Dave Hooper wrote: > > > I AM rod hull... I *AM* him... > > > > Have some green flavoured jelly.. > > Eh? Surely it was just green jelly? Not greeen flavored? > > Ah well, chicken lollies. Well, it's green, and it must have some sort of flavour.... Perhaps comma doesn't work on his keyboard. Andrew +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Second Law Of Thermodynamics: | Andrew Collier, 1A NatSci | | If you think things are in a | email asc25@hermes.cam.ac.uk | | mess now, just you wait.... | Selwyn College, Cambridge | +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Construction work in progress at http://brain.sel.cam.ac.uk/~asc25 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 22 16:27:43 1997 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 15:53:49 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@blue.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Just to clear things up In-Reply-To: <970422093818_482213356@emout17.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1722 Lines: 39 On Tue, 22 Apr 1997 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > I was talking about David Ledbury, someone who you are well aware I > consider to have brought a lot of disrepute onto the SAM scene. Now the And as I've said, you have yet to produce any valid claim (other than personal grudges) which sets David Ledbury apart from anyone else. > 'claim' is that he has nothing to do with Persona, but from the evidence of > my own eyes at both Wetherby shows, he seems to have a considerable amount > to do with the running of Persona. He also clearly considers himself to be a > spokesman for the company as he has regularly signed up to ISPs using > Persona's name in one form or another. I don't think the claim is that he has "nothing to do with" Persona, he is very involved on the software development front. But he does not run the company. You have nothing to do with West Coast Computers, you merely do the marketing, advertising and sales. But you do not run the company, or so you tell us. We've been through this already, and you clearly didn't take a lot of notice first time round. If this isn't a personal grudge then leave Malcolm and Oersona out of the argument, and tell Guy where to buy the software. Andrew +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Second Law Of Thermodynamics: | Andrew Collier, 1A NatSci | | If you think things are in a | email asc25@hermes.cam.ac.uk | | mess now, just you wait.... | Selwyn College, Cambridge | +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Construction work in progress at http://brain.sel.cam.ac.uk/~asc25 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 22 16:27:52 1997 From: Johnna Teare Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 16:27:31 GMT+0 Subject: Re: Just to clear things up X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <6076216F2@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1550 Lines: 38 Lo, > >> Because both are reputable compnaies of long standing. Neither have done > >> anything to bring the SAM into disrepute have they? > > > >Has Persona? > > > > > >Andrew > > I was talking about David Ledbury, someone who you are well aware I > consider to have brought a lot of disrepute onto the SAM scene. Now the > 'claim' is that he has nothing to do with Persona, but from the evidence of > my own eyes at both Wetherby shows, he seems to have a considerable amount > to do with the running of Persona. He also clearly considers himself to be a > spokesman for the company as he has regularly signed up to ISPs using > Persona's name in one form or another. > But Malcolm is in charge of Persona. He may well have some connection with Dave, but as they have both stated Dave is not in charge. And just because he stands behind a stand a Wetherby doesn't mean he's the boss. The MIDI Sequencer is a good piece of software and it's stupid to deny a SAM user the chance to use his machine for something he is obviously keen in just because the company that sells the product isn't Format/Revelation/West Coast/Fred Publishing. If the SAM withers away and dies it will be because people find they no longer have a use for it. Promoting things like the MIDI Sequencer (which none of the companies with which you are associated have looked too keen to do) can only prolong SAM's life. Grow up. > Bob. > Johnna Pig Teare (JohnnaPig@deathsdoor.com) JohnnaPig OnLine (www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna) "They call me Mad The Swine." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 22 17:25:32 1997 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: sskardon@argonet.co.uk (Stewart Skardon) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 22 Apr 97 16:54:00 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Just to clear things up Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1394 Lines: 51 On Tue 22 Apr 97 (00:19:16), smith-gc@ulst.ac.uk wrote: > >In case anyone is wondering what we are talking about, we are >referring to a letter in Format's April issue, Actually, I was wondering where my copy is. I would like to read it, but it's not turned up yet. I'm pretty sure I won a subscription to Format for two years, about a year ago. at the Gloucester show. Not bringing disrepute to the SAM are you Bob by not sending order's etc? [SNIP] >Well, that's bloody funny coming from you Bob, Mr West- >Coast-Revelations-Format-Publications. Unless you have actually dealt [SNIP] Now let's not start that one again eh! [SNIP] >company a bad name. Especially when I am waiting on a Two-up ordered >about 4 months ago, for which I have received no explanation or >apology, a SAM_Clock which I have also received no explanation or >apology Oh, but that's West Coast, not FORMAT. The two AREN'T CONNECTED ;-) > >Gavin (tired, angry and sick of Prolog assignments) > > Stewart (Burning at the stake!) -- _ (_'tewart email : sskardon@argonet.co.uk ,_)kardon Crashed Magazine - The SAM and Spectrum Magazine. Crashed WWW Site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon -=O=- Organisers of The Northern SAM and Spectrum Show NSSS WWW Site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/nsss.html From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 22 18:37:30 1997 Message-ID: <30EFD73001F73000@c2gate.tcom.co.uk> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 15:55:00 +0100 From: Dan Doore Organization: * To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no (Sam Users Mailing List) Subject: RE: the show Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.20B.16 MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 213 Lines: 13 > > I AM rod hull... I *AM* him... > > Have some green flavoured jelly.. Have some dried frog pills... :) So, is somebody gonna send me these piccys or what? I'm dying to see the shower cap shots... Dan. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 22 18:37:30 1997 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 13:08:22 EDT From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: the show Message-Id: <19970422171516Z49159-27987+3977@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 496 Lines: 23 Date: 1997-04-22 16:16 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: "Dave Hooper" <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> >To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 14:39:31 +0000 >Subject: Re: the show > >> > I AM rod hull... I *AM* him... >> >> Have some green flavoured jelly.. > >Eh? Surely it was just green jelly? Not greeen flavored? > >Ah well, chicken lollies. > Jest ye not. The Co-OP sell chicken lollies. 47p each. There yummy. Nev. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 22 19:25:15 1997 X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L NL @ C&L INT @ C&L INT EXTERNAL @ WORLDCOM @ OUTBOUND From: Stefan Drissen To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Message-ID: <86256481.00645E1E.00@internet-501.interliant.com> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 19:49:32 +0200 Subject: RE: Dresscode Gloucester Show Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1505 Lines: 53 >>As an indirect result of my nasty employers poo email system and tardy >>postoffice syncs, we ended up in some nasty >>mosh pit called Crackers, and I now have a sore neck courtesy of 'Rage >>against the Machine'. > >Ah, so you've got "THE SORE NECK" too, eh Dan? > >I dunno about you, but I've only just turned sober again ;) > >(And yes, my neck IS killing me) > >Simon Aaaaarrgh! * grins * more members of the dead-neck gang - it must have been caused by the rivalry with the punks... next time PLEASE think about the dresscode - I'm sure that that lovely blond chick with the stripey dress in the Pint Pot went to the Avenue. :( -- **************************************** This document should only be read by those persons to whom it is addressed and is not intended to be relied upon by any person without subsequent written confirmation of its contents. 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Especially when I am waiting on a Two-up ordered >>about 4 months ago, for which I have received no explanation or >>apology, a SAM_Clock which I have also received no explanation or >>apology Just to put my little bit in, hope it helps. I also have one of the clocks on order but from a couple of things posted on this mailing list I understand there has been delays. There has also been mention in Format, so I think that counts as being kept informed and at least Format have not cashed the cheque, something I bet very few other companies would have been able to resist. Still, I look forward to getting it Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 22 20:09:40 1997 From: Gavin Smith Organization: University of Ulster To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 20:03:58 GMT Subject: Re: Just to clear things up X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <16BBA555818@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 560 Lines: 14 > Just to put my little bit in, hope it helps. > I also have one of the clocks on order but from a couple of things posted on > this mailing list I understand there has been delays. There has also been > mention in Format, so I think that counts as being kept informed and at least > Format have not cashed the cheque, something I bet very few other companies > would have been able to resist. Still, I look forward to getting it > > Bill. Hmm. :) If a certain someone is trying another Samsboss type character, I'm going to wet myself laughing :) Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 22 22:50:29 1997 Subject: Re: Dresscode Gloucester Show To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 22:32:11 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <86256481.00645E1E.00@internet-501.interliant.com> from "Stefan Drissen" at Apr 22, 97 07:49:32 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <19970422213241Z49155-27987+3992@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 763 Lines: 20 > Aaaaarrgh! * grins * more members of the dead-neck gang - it must have > been caused by the rivalry with the punks... next time PLEASE think about > the dresscode - I'm sure that that lovely blond chick with the stripey > dress in the Pint Pot went to the Avenue. :( *laughs* As did the lovely red-head with the satiny-red top, no doubt. Yep... dress code next time, I think. For anyone who doesn't know, this means: No cannabis-leaf caps, or bald heads underneath them -- at least, if you do, make sure you wear a shirt with collar (bring a tie just in case the Gloucester Night-Club, Hotel & B&B Mafia are on the door), trousers, shoes so polished you can see your face (and the future) in them, and at least 50 quid to bribe the doorman :) Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 23 00:35:46 1997 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 00:25:27 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@blue.csi.cam.ac.uk To: Sam Users Mailing List Subject: the show pictures In-Reply-To: <30EFD73001F73000@c2gate.tcom.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1293 Lines: 34 On Tue, 22 Apr 1997, Dan Doore wrote: > So, is somebody gonna send me these piccys or what? I'm dying to see the > shower cap shots... > > Dan. Well the photos are back from the developers, and I did indeed scan some of them this afternoon, but when FTPing them to brain.sel I filled up the /home partition - there was only 12 Megs left on it - which crashed all applications and locked out the Xlogin scrripts, ho ho ho. Pictures will be made publicly available as soon as MBM gets his computer working properly again :-) (He'll kill me when he sees this email!) Andrew PS Judgeing by these prints there are a few people who really should seriously consider bribing me to withold distribution... (or is this just a marketing ploy to make sure the site gets a lot of visits?) +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Second Law Of Thermodynamics: | Andrew Collier, 1A NatSci | | If you think things are in a | email asc25@hermes.cam.ac.uk | | mess now, just you wait.... | Selwyn College, Cambridge | +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Construction work in progress at http://brain.sel.cam.ac.uk/~asc25 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 23 00:35:46 1997 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 19:28:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Gouranga@aol.com Message-ID: <970422192807_1488020139@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Just to clear things up Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 4031 Lines: 72 Dear oh dear, things do seem to be getting out of hand. Let me see if I can sort out a few details here. The article in Format about the "disreputable" person is not aimed at Malcolm Mackenzie / Persona / whatever. Bob is of course referring to Dave. Whether he used the right words or not is nothing to do with me, but I do know that over the period Dave was running Phoenix etc., I had a lot of complaints from customers. I did talk this over with Dave saying that I couldn't promote his stuff until the problems were sorted out, and he agreed this was fair. I assume Bob took the same stance. When Malcolm started up, he phoned me to explain the situation and we had a long chat about it. He said he realised that he had a lot of work to do in shaking off the reputation Dave had obtained, and that he couldn't expect wonders until he had proved Persona as reputable and as not run by Dave. But although it is obvious to me that "Persona" is Malcolm as a sole trader, with Dave seeming to be so active in everything it does, they can't expect other people to believe he is not just a freelancer. I honestly do hope that all Malcolm's customers are as satisfied as Gavin, and so far I'm pleased to say, I haven't heard anything to the contrary. Andrew, Andrew, And I thought we were getting on well at the show as well! I don't see what you're trying to do by simply stirring things with Bob - the Wallace and Gromit thing is just petty - are you honestly saying you've never ever seen the bulk of small mags do that - especially Format with Star Trek and the like??? I assume you avoided mentioning Fred and Revelation in your attack because you thought it would avoid legal implications. But regardless, as I explained to you - several times ;) - and to many others on Saturday, yes, we've had severe problems with Kaboom. I can't excuse this, only apologise. Software publishers always have to try and predict when a title will be ready, and sadly, the predictions are rarely spot on. Yes, if FRED had made a habit of having games this severly delayed, it might be called disreputable. But it's not as if people honestly believe I've run off with their money, is it?.... As to Retros, over a year ago, everyone that had ordered it was fully refunded. All one of them - and that one person certainly wasn't you. God knows the last time it was advertised. So I'm afraid we might be in for a bit of a wait for it Paul. But it hasn't been "totally" written off. Elite. OK, you don't think it's worth the money Revelation are charging. Fair enough - you're entitled to your opinion, but so are the dozens of people that have phoned me up and told me it was brilliant that they could finally play Elite "properly" on SAM. That hardly constitutes disreputable. And I would be very surprised if you had bought it - in which case, you've got nothing to complain about. The hardware projects that have been embarked on by various people only ever received minimal, or more often no, coverage in FRED and Format in order to protect customers. Although they were annoyed at me at the time, I know I've explained to Dave, Cookie et al that FRED would refuse to mention such things unless there was at the very least reasonable proof they were going to appear. Sadly none of them did. But if FRED had hyped them up, then people would just have been even more dejected about the future of SAM (and no, the "but it would have created more orders to help it" argument doesn't work either - ask Simon what interest they got in the ASIC from the might of YS). Well, that tops off my spoutings at the Show - hopefully there'll be a few reports circulating soon. Just for anyone who didn't understand, there was a standing joke at the show that cameras were being used as mobile phones, hence the frequent occurance of two guys standing back to back talking to each other through cameras...yes, sadly, that was *after* the visit to the pub.. Apologies to all for the length, but I thought it was about time I stuck my tuppence in. CM From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 23 00:35:46 1997 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 19:28:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Gouranga@aol.com Message-ID: <970422192809_1885633963@emout17.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Gloucester dresscode Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 329 Lines: 9 I trust the "Gloucester after-hours" gang will all be making an effort to attend the next one (don't forget Leeds as well!!). Perhaps a few more can be tempted as well... Perhaps next time we should resort to the suits - although I remember the bouncers at Avenue telling us we were *over* dressed that time....can't win! CM From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 23 09:22:27 1997 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 04:03:34 EDT From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Just to clear things up Message-Id: <19970423080346Z49160-27987+4029@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 666 Lines: 27 Date: 1997-04-23 09:03 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 14:37:59 -0400 (EDT) >From: BillRitman@aol.com >To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >Subject: Re: Just to clear things up > >In a message dated 22/04/97 17:01:47, you write: > >>On Tue 22 Apr 97 (00:19:16), smith-gc@ulst.ac.uk wrote: >>> >>>In case anyone is wondering what we are talking about, we are >>>referring to a letter in Format's April issue, >> >>Actually, I was wondering where my copy is. I would like to read it, but >it's >>not turned up yet. > >Mine arrived last thursday if that helps :-) > Mine arrived 22/4/97 Nev. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 23 09:22:27 1997 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 04:07:41 EDT From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: the show pictures Message-Id: <19970423080758Z49170-27987+4030@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 297 Lines: 14 Date: 1997-04-23 09:06 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 22 Apr 1997, Dan Doore wrote: > So, is somebody gonna send me these piccys or what? I'm dying to see the > shower cap shots... > > Dan. How would you like them sent ? Nev. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 23 10:04:00 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <14108.199704230845@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Just to clear things up To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 09:45:20 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <1AB4D456D98@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> from "James R Curry" at Apr 22, 97 12:27:29 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 142 Lines: 7 > Why don't we all email Mr Matt "I'll finish it one day - when I get > the time. Honest. Maybe this week." Round. Got an address? Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 23 10:28:26 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970423100946.00f60218@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 10:09:46 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Just to clear things up In-Reply-To: <970422192807_1488020139@emout12.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1112 Lines: 23 At 07:28 PM 4/22/97 -0400, you wrote: >The hardware projects that have been embarked on by various people only ever >received minimal, or more often no, coverage in FRED and Format in order to >protect customers. Although they were annoyed at me at the time, I know I've >explained to Dave, Cookie et al that FRED would refuse to mention such things >unless there was at the very least reasonable proof they were going to >appear. Sadly none of them did. But if FRED had hyped them up, then people >would just have been even more dejected about the future of SAM (and no, the >"but it would have created more orders to help it" argument doesn't work >either - ask Simon what interest they got in the ASIC from the might of YS). We got 64 responses... Great, huh? I've still got them all in a box in my bedroom :) Given that we needed 1000 responses, the chances of getting the ASIC made were greatly reduced. Mind you, I don't know what percentage of SAM owners read YS... and West Coast's first newsletter, which printed quite happily that there will be *NO* ASIC upgrade, ever, did a lot of damage. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 23 10:51:15 1997 Message-ID: <1BF0D73001F73000@c2gate.tcom.co.uk> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 9:17:00 +0100 From: Dan Doore Organization: * To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no (Sam Users Mailing List) Subject: RE: Dresscode Gloucester Show Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.20B.16 MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 444 Lines: 17 > Aaaaarrgh! * grins * more members of the dead-neck gang - it must have > been caused by the rivalry with the punks... next time PLEASE think about > the dresscode - I'm sure that that lovely blond chick with the stripey > dress in the Pint Pot went to the Avenue. :( *sigh* Mmmmm, stripey dress... Next time, the shirt & shoes come out. BTW: When's the next NSSS in Leeds, cos I *HAVE* to take you all to Planet Earth :) Dan. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 23 10:51:15 1997 Message-Id: From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale) Subject: Re: Just to clear things up To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 10:33:26 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970423100946.00f60218@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> from "Simon Cooke" at Apr 23, 97 10:09:46 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 287 Lines: 10 > Given that we needed 1000 responses, the chances of getting the ASIC made > were greatly reduced. > How realistic was the 50,000 pound estimate, anyway? Assuming Bruce had the development tools already, would Bruce's wage and 1000 (working) asics have come out of that 50,000? Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 23 10:51:16 1997 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Just to clear things up References: X-Mammoth-Status: Aware From: Uncle Bulgaria Date: 23 Apr 1997 10:34:07 +0100 In-Reply-To: sskardon@argonet.co.uk's message of Tue, 22 Apr 97 16:54:00 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.46/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 796 Lines: 22 sskardon@argonet.co.uk (Stewart Skardon) writes: > On Tue 22 Apr 97 (00:19:16), smith-gc@ulst.ac.uk wrote: > > [SNIP] > >company a bad name. Especially when I am waiting on a Two-up ordered > >about 4 months ago, for which I have received no explanation or > >apology, a SAM_Clock which I have also received no explanation or > >apology > > Oh, but that's West Coast, not FORMAT. The two AREN'T CONNECTED ;-) > Erm, they are actually. Format do all the orders/deliveries for them so they are for the purposes of delayed stock/orders. Lee. -- With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. [ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/rfc/rfc1925.txt.gz] From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 23 10:51:16 1997 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Gloucester dresscode References: <970422192809_1885633963@emout17.mail.aol.com> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware From: Uncle Bulgaria Date: 23 Apr 1997 10:36:35 +0100 In-Reply-To: Gouranga@aol.com's message of Tue, 22 Apr 1997 19:28:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.46/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 804 Lines: 19 Gouranga@aol.com writes: > I trust the "Gloucester after-hours" gang will all be making an effort to > attend the next one (don't forget Leeds as well!!). Perhaps a few more can be > tempted as well... > Speaking of which when is the next Leeds show, since that's within easy reach for me, and I'll book the date in my diary so I don't end up miles away like I did last time. It's ages since I went to a SAM show, and I have this overwhelming urge to beat Colin A at pool again, and perhaps even see the miracle of Colin Mc getting a round in!! Lee. -- With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. [ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/rfc/rfc1925.txt.gz] From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 23 10:51:17 1997 Subject: Re: Gloucester dresscode To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 10:42:13 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: from "Uncle Bulgaria" at Apr 23, 97 10:36:35 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <19970423094258Z49168-27987+4033@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 772 Lines: 19 > > Gouranga@aol.com writes: > > > I trust the "Gloucester after-hours" gang will all be making an effort to > > attend the next one (don't forget Leeds as well!!). Perhaps a few more can be > > tempted as well... > > > > Speaking of which when is the next Leeds show, since that's within easy > reach for me, and I'll book the date in my diary so I don't end up miles > away like I did last time. It's ages since I went to a SAM show, and I > have this overwhelming urge to beat Colin A at pool again, and perhaps > even see the miracle of Colin Mc getting a round in!! If the things being talked about at work are true, I won't be able to make it to the next leeds or Gloucester shows... which one is more worthy of me getting a flight over from America? Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 23 11:48:10 1997 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 06:26:14 EDT From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Dresscode Gloucester Show Message-Id: <19970423102628Z49158-27987+4039@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 386 Lines: 17 Date: 1997-04-23 11:22 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Dan Doore >To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no (Sam Users Mailing List) >Subject: RE: Dresscode Gloucester Show > >BTW: When's the next NSSS in Leeds, cos I *HAVE* to take you all to >Planet Earth :) > >Dan. but will we all get stuck in the taxi ? :-) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 23 11:48:10 1997 From: Gavin Smith Organization: University of Ulster To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 11:43:01 GMT Subject: Re: Just to clear things up X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <17B60D50B11@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 336 Lines: 12 > > Oh, but that's West Coast, not FORMAT. The two AREN'T CONNECTED ;-) > > > > Erm, they are actually. Format do all the orders/deliveries for them so > they are for the purposes of delayed stock/orders. > > Lee. He was being sarcastic Lee :) Allegedly they have slightly greater connections than just processing orders ;) Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 23 12:05:31 1997 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Dresscode Gloucester Show References: <19970423102628Z49158-27987+4039@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware From: Uncle Bulgaria Date: 23 Apr 1997 11:52:24 +0100 In-Reply-To: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life"'s message of Wed, 23 Apr 1997 06:26:14 EDT Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.46/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 762 Lines: 27 "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" writes: > Date: 1997-04-23 11:22 > Priority: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: Dan Doore > >To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no (Sam Users Mailing List) > >Subject: RE: Dresscode Gloucester Show > > > >BTW: When's the next NSSS in Leeds, cos I *HAVE* to take you all to > >Planet Earth :) > > > >Dan. > > but will we all get stuck in the taxi ? > Let me guess, you couldn't work out how to use a _door handle_ ? Lee. -- No matter how hard you try, you can't make a baby in in much less than 9 months. Trying to speed this up *might* make it slower, but it won't make it happen any quicker. [ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/rfc/rfc1925.txt] From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 23 13:01:37 1997 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 07:46:38 EDT From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: CMS Note Message-Id: <19970423114649Z49156-27987+4042@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 888 Lines: 36 Date: 1997-04-23 12:46 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Subject: Re: Dresscode Gloucester Show From: Uncle Bulgaria >Date: 23 Apr 1997 11:52:24 +0100 > >"YOUNG Neville, IT Life" writes: > >> Date: 1997-04-23 11:22 >> Priority: >> >> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >> >> From: Dan Doore >> >To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no (Sam Users Mailing List) >> >Subject: RE: Dresscode Gloucester Show >> > >> >BTW: When's the next NSSS in Leeds, cos I *HAVE* to take you all to >> >Planet Earth :) >> > >> >Dan. >> >> but will we all get stuck in the taxi ? >> > >Let me guess, you couldn't work out how to use a _door handle_ ? > >Lee. > IIRC wasn't it Dan who got stuck in a taxi trying to get to the last NSSS ? :-) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 23 13:44:38 1997 From: James R Curry Organization: De Montfort University To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 13:18:50 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Dresscode Gloucester Show In-reply-to: <1BF0D73001F73000@c2gate.tcom.co.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.50) Message-ID: <1C428B47AC2@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 615 Lines: 19 > BTW: When's the next NSSS in Leeds, cos I *HAVE* to take you all to > Planet Earth :) > Bad news, Allan Clarkson says they're probably won't be another NSSS because they're too much hard work. Now I want you all to Email him and complain. -- James R Curry hc95jc@dmu.ac.uk "When Marge first told me she was going to the police academy, I thought it'd be fun and exciting, you know, like that movie, 'Spaceballs'. But instead it's been painful and disturbing like that movie 'Police Academy'." - Homer Simpson, the Simpsons. The official James R Curry web page is under construction! Stand by. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 23 14:24:26 1997 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 09:04:25 EDT From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Dresscode Gloucester Show Message-Id: <19970423130434Z49156-27987+4046@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 953 Lines: 38 Date: 1997-04-23 14:04 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: "James R Curry" >Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 13:18:50 GMT >Subject: RE: Dresscode Gloucester Show > >> BTW: When's the next NSSS in Leeds, cos I *HAVE* to take you all to >> Planet Earth :) >> > >Bad news, Allan Clarkson says they're probably won't be another NSSS >because they're too much hard work. > >Now I want you all to Email him and complain. >-- >James R Curry hc95jc@dmu.ac.uk Oh sod the show. Why not just pick a time and place and we all go and get pissed and chucked outta some clubs and things. -@ - e) -@ Nev, the wild man of the North, Young. -------------------------------- Physicists say there are two forms of matter in the universe normal matter and anti matter. They are almost right, There are two forms of matter chocolate and doesn?t matter -------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 23 14:45:15 1997 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 14:23:03 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@blue.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Just to clear things up In-Reply-To: <970422192807_1488020139@emout12.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 5476 Lines: 108 On Tue, 22 Apr 1997 Gouranga@aol.com wrote: > The article in Format about the "disreputable" person is not aimed at Malcolm > Mackenzie / Persona / whatever. Bob is of course referring to Dave. Whether > he used the right words or not is nothing to do with me, but I do know that > over the period Dave was running Phoenix etc., I had a lot of complaints from > customers. I did talk this over with Dave saying that I couldn't promote his > stuff until the problems were sorted out, and he agreed this was fair. I > assume Bob took the same stance. If it's not aimed at Persona or Malcolm, then why blacklist Persona which is run by Malcolm? Bob's text very obviously implies that he thinks David is still in charge, which is wrong, but in any case Phoenix's problems have been sorted out by now, so I've yet to hear a valid reason to continue this type of blacklisting. > Andrew, Andrew, > > And I thought we were getting on well at the show as well! If I get along with people it doesn't mean I have to agree with them all the time... > I don't see what you're trying to do by simply stirring things with Bob - the > Wallace and Gromit thing is just petty - are you honestly saying you've never > ever seen the bulk of small mags do that - especially Format with Star Trek > and the like??? It was just a question! Why should it be stirring things if, as Bob has said, everything is okay about it? Although no, I don't recall other small mags using pictures on their cover unless they are in some way related to the contents of the magazine, eg a new game just released, which would be just as legitimate - and there's no point excusing Format by pointing to other previous issues of Format.... As for being petty; "I don't like David Ledbury, so I'm going to have a dig at him by not telling Guy where to buy the software he needs, ha ha" Isn't that petty? > I assume you avoided mentioning Fred and Revelation in your attack because > you thought it would avoid legal implications. But regardless, as I explained > to you - several times ;) - and to many others on Saturday, yes, we've had > severe problems with Kaboom. I can't excuse this, only apologise. Software > publishers always have to try and predict when a title will be ready, and > sadly, the predictions are rarely spot on. Yes, if FRED had made a habit of > having games this severly delayed, it might be called disreputable. But it's > not as if people honestly believe I've run off with their money, is it?.... Attack? I'm not saying that FRED should have been blacklisted, merely that Persona should NOT have been blacklisted. The point being that there's nothing you can accuse Persona (or Phoenix) of, which wouldn't be true about a whole load of other companies too - FRED and Revelation included. Yes I know you've had legitimate problems with Kabboomm and other programs, but why do you assume it's so different with David's software? Why can't he have legitimate delays just like the rest of you, without getting slandered by Format magazine? > Elite. OK, you don't think it's worth the money Revelation are charging. Fair > enough - you're entitled to your opinion, but so are the dozens of people > that have phoned me up and told me it was brilliant that they could finally > play Elite "properly" on SAM. That hardly constitutes disreputable. And I > would be very surprised if you had bought it - in which case, you've got > nothing to complain about. The game only cost a tenner when it was first released, and has been on budget. That makes the 15UKP game a bad deal even if you know fulwell that you're buying (essentially) a Spectrum game. But Elite was advertised as a Sam Version, which I don't think is an accurate label. As for your "it's brilliant" phone calls, Michael Stocks of Zodiac tells me he's also had some phone calls and letters, but from people complaining that they'd bought the game without even suspecting that it was the Spectrum code. You're right - I haven't bought it myself, and it's just about the only game I haven't bought - but "Sam Elite" is helping to strengthen Sam's unfortunate "spectrum with a disk drive" image, and this whole discussion is about tarnishing Sam's reputation.... Frankly I don't see what David could possibly have done to rival this - at least by covering *prototyped* hardware (which is proof enough to me that it could exist, given a market) he was helping the advance the Sam, not regress it. But that is all beside the point. There's no particular advantage in discussing the mistakes which David may or may not have made in the past. Persona is not run by David Ledbury. Phoenix's delays and lost orders have been sorted out - so there's no reason to ban advertising them even if David was running it. The Sam Midi Sequencer is sold by Persona, a fact that should probably be made obvious in the next issue of the magazine, together with a retraction of and apology for the comments made this month. Andrew +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Second Law Of Thermodynamics: | Andrew Collier, 1A NatSci | | If you think things are in a | email asc25@hermes.cam.ac.uk | | mess now, just you wait.... | Selwyn College, Cambridge | +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Construction work in progress at http://brain.sel.cam.ac.uk/~asc25 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 23 14:45:18 1997 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Dresscode Gloucester Show References: <19970423130434Z49156-27987+4046@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware From: Uncle Bulgaria Date: 23 Apr 1997 14:27:22 +0100 In-Reply-To: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life"'s message of Wed, 23 Apr 1997 09:04:25 EDT Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.46/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 833 Lines: 27 "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" writes: > >Bad news, Allan Clarkson says they're probably won't be another NSSS > >because they're too much hard work. > > > >Now I want you all to Email him and complain. > >-- > >James R Curry hc95jc@dmu.ac.uk > > Oh sod the show. > Why not just pick a time and place and we all go and get pissed and chucked > outta some clubs and things. > I though that was what the shows were all about? > Nev, the wild man of the North, Young. ^^^ Is this your name, or are you just trying to con us about your age again! ;) Lee. -- No matter how hard you try, you can't make a baby in in much less than 9 months. Trying to speed this up *might* make it slower, but it won't make it happen any quicker. [ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/rfc/rfc1925.txt] From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 23 15:27:58 1997 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 10:10:07 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970423101006_112937811@emout02.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: the show Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 701 Lines: 21 In a message dated 22/04/97 12:43:22, you write: >> Yep... arthritic, ing joints, and [NO CARRIER] bad because he left >> it on the bus because he's so old that he forgot who and where he was, >> and what he was carrying... > >*ahem* make that no carrier /bag/ :) > >BTW: No offence intended. Any and all personalities exhibited by this >mentally deranged person are property of, trademark and copyright Simon >Cooke. Mind you, I no longer have the pipex dial account, so I can't >carry on flaming people as Samsboss. You have all been fooled. >Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahah! > >(Sorry... deranged day at the office today) > >Simon It must be the after effects of Saturday night. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 23 15:27:58 1997 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 10:10:14 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970423101005_-65375021@emout17.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Just to clear things up Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 117 Lines: 9 In a message dated 22/04/97 11:48:45, you write: >Presumably you did read the above paragraph? > >Lee. Yes. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 23 15:27:58 1997 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 10:11:04 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970423101003_-199571373@emout15.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Discovery (and a half) AND Photos Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 422 Lines: 15 In a message dated 22/04/97 11:02:17, you write: >> >'scuse me, but who wrote this? I want to know what website to look at. :) >> I don't think you really mean that.... > >I wasn't able to make it to the show, the least I can do is check out the >photos. > >Paul Just don't look at any photos of ColinM, at least not on a full stomach - he is not a pretty sight these days (especially first thing this morning). Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 23 15:58:13 1997 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 15:40:15 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@navy.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Discovery (and a half) AND Photos In-Reply-To: <970423101003_-199571373@emout15.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 775 Lines: 20 On Wed, 23 Apr 1997 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > Just don't look at any photos of ColinM, at least not on a full stomach - he > is not a pretty sight these days (especially first thing this morning). > > Bob. I'd never have got away with saying anything like that! Andrew +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Second Law Of Thermodynamics: | Andrew Collier, 1A NatSci | | If you think things are in a | email asc25@hermes.cam.ac.uk | | mess now, just you wait.... | Selwyn College, Cambridge | +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Construction work in progress at http://brain.sel.cam.ac.uk/~asc25 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 23 15:58:19 1997 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 15:43:32 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@navy.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: the show In-Reply-To: <970423101006_112937811@emout02.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1109 Lines: 31 On Wed, 23 Apr 1997 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > >Cooke. Mind you, I no longer have the pipex dial account, so I can't > >carry on flaming people as Samsboss. You have all been fooled. > >Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahah! > > > >(Sorry... deranged day at the office today) > > > >Simon > > It must be the after effects of Saturday night. > > Bob. Simon was joking about being Samsboss........ wasn't he? Surely Simon must have been joking about being Samsboss! Will somebody please tell me that Simon was joking about being Samsboss? Andrew (Going mad with the thought of Simon faking a mail from himself) +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Second Law Of Thermodynamics: | Andrew Collier, 1A NatSci | | If you think things are in a | email asc25@hermes.cam.ac.uk | | mess now, just you wait.... | Selwyn College, Cambridge | +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Construction work in progress at http://brain.sel.cam.ac.uk/~asc25 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 23 15:58:19 1997 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 15:45:51 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@navy.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Just to clear things up In-Reply-To: <970423101005_-65375021@emout17.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 747 Lines: 22 On Wed, 23 Apr 1997 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > >Presumably you did read the above paragraph? > >Lee. > > Yes. > Bob. So what are you actually saying that David has really done that's any different to half-a-dozen other Sam companies? Andrew +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Second Law Of Thermodynamics: | Andrew Collier, 1A NatSci | | If you think things are in a | email asc25@hermes.cam.ac.uk | | mess now, just you wait.... | Selwyn College, Cambridge | +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Construction work in progress at http://brain.sel.cam.ac.uk/~asc25 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 23 16:35:34 1997 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 11:03:09 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970423110309_1852141725@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: the show pictures Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 298 Lines: 15 In a message dated 23/04/97 10:19:58, you write: >On Tue, 22 Apr 1997, Dan Doore wrote: > >> So, is somebody gonna send me these piccys or what? I'm dying to see the >> shower cap shots... >> >> Dan. > >How would you like them sent ? >Nev. Under plain wrapper and with no return address..... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 23 16:35:34 1997 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 11:03:11 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970423110308_1752136349@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Gloucester dresscode Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 503 Lines: 18 In a message dated 23/04/97 06:50:13, you write: >I trust the "Gloucester after-hours" gang will all be making an effort to >attend the next one (don't forget Leeds as well!!). Perhaps a few more can be >tempted as well... > >Perhaps next time we should resort to the suits - although I remember the >bouncers at Avenue telling us we were *over* dressed that time....can't win! > >CM As long as you dont try the kilt.... Bob. BTW, Rose says thanks for the flowers - you can come again anytime :) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 23 16:35:34 1997 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 11:03:11 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970423110304_1455513629@emout20.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Just to clear things up Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2210 Lines: 47 In a message dated 22/04/97 15:53:55, you write: >But Malcolm is in charge of Persona. He may well have some connection >with Dave, but as they have both stated Dave is not in charge. And >just because he stands behind a stand a Wetherby doesn't mean he's >the boss. The MIDI Sequencer is a good piece of software and it's >stupid to deny a SAM user the chance to use his machine for something >he is obviously keen in just because the company that sells the >product isn't Format/Revelation/West Coast/Fred Publishing. If the >SAM withers away and dies it will be because people find they no >longer have a use for it. Promoting things like the MIDI Sequencer >(which none of the companies with which you are associated have >looked too keen to do) can only prolong SAM's life. > >Grow up. > >Johnna Pig Teare Sorry Johnna, but I don't think it is me that needs to grow up. I have a duty, a legal one, as Editor and Publisher of FORMAT. I cannot refuse to accept an advert that is legal, and never have done so in the past, but I most certainly do not have to give free publicity to anyone. I have stated before that I consider that David Ledbury has harmed the SAM cause - you may disagree as is your right. However, the evidence of my own eyes (and ears) points to David Ledbury being actively involved in Persona and therefore I will not give that company any free publicity - as is my right. As to other producers of SAM (and Spectrum) products - they receive mentions in FORMAT when they release new products. And, as I said above, anyone is free to advertise in FORMAT provide their advert is ok. Just going back through the files shows adverts from: Hilton, Steve's Software, S.D.Software, NSSS, Mira Software, All Formats Fairs, Flexibase, 8 Bit, D.E.Piggott, Kobrahsoft, Sintech, Chezron, Saturn, Adventure Probe, Atomic, B.G.Services, J.R.C.Cameras. Plus of course Fred, Revelation and West Coast. And that is just going back less than two years - and omits all the FREE publicity given by the Spectrum And Sam Resource Guide (which listed over 50 names and addresses) so it can never be claimed that I limit exposure in FORMAT to the handful of companies you refer to. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 23 16:35:34 1997 From: James R Curry Organization: De Montfort University To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 16:10:47 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Discovery (and a half) AND Photos References: <970423101003_-199571373@emout15.mail.aol.com> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.50) Message-ID: <1C706DE194A@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 481 Lines: 14 > I'd never have got away with saying anything like that! You would of if you'd put a smiley on the end.. ";)" -- James R Curry hc95jc@dmu.ac.uk "When Marge first told me she was going to the police academy, I thought it'd be fun and exciting, you know, like that movie, 'Spaceballs'. But instead it's been painful and disturbing like that movie 'Police Academy'." - Homer Simpson, the Simpsons. The official James R Curry web page is under construction! Stand by. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 23 16:35:35 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <25164.199704231521@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Discovery (and a half) AND Photos To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 16:21:25 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <970423101003_-199571373@emout15.mail.aol.com> from "BrenchleyR@aol.com" at Apr 23, 97 10:11:04 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 176 Lines: 7 > Just don't look at any photos of ColinM, at least not on a full stomach - he > is not a pretty sight these days (especially first thing this morning). These days...? Paul