From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 23 17:25:33 1997 From: Johnna Teare Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 17:11:44 GMT+0 Subject: Re: Just to clear things up X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <46A510350@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 801 Lines: 26 Lo, > >either - ask Simon what interest they got in the ASIC from the might of YS). > > We got 64 responses... Great, huh? I've still got them all in a box in my > bedroom :) > > Given that we needed 1000 responses, the chances of getting the ASIC made > were greatly reduced. > > Mind you, I don't know what percentage of SAM owners read YS... and West > Coast's first newsletter, which printed quite happily that there will be > *NO* ASIC upgrade, ever, did a lot of damage. Think the damamge was done when SAMCo went bust with so many peoples monies - I wanted to reply and give my money but I couldn't afford it not to come to fruition so I didn't. > > Simon > > Johnna Pig Teare (JohnnaPig@deathsdoor.com) JohnnaPig OnLine (www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna) "They call me Mad The Swine." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 23 17:25:33 1997 From: Johnna Teare Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 17:20:13 GMT+0 Subject: Re: Just to clear things up X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <480347356@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 496 Lines: 15 Lo, > The Sam Midi Sequencer is sold by Persona, a fact that should probably be > made obvious in the next issue of the magazine, together with a > retraction of and apology for the comments made this month. And the issue should come with a David Ledbury fridge magnet on the front, and a fold out centrefold poster, and a star interview with him etc... :) > Andrew Johnna Pig Teare (JohnnaPig@deathsdoor.com) JohnnaPig OnLine (www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna) "They call me Mad The Swine." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 23 17:45:42 1997 From: James R Curry Organization: De Montfort University To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 17:28:50 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: the show In-reply-to: <30EFD73001F73000@c2gate.tcom.co.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.50) Message-ID: <1C8539A5454@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 444 Lines: 14 > Have some dried frog pills... Wouldn't be a Pratchett fan, would you? :) -- James R Curry hc95jc@dmu.ac.uk "When Marge first told me she was going to the police academy, I thought it'd be fun and exciting, you know, like that movie, 'Spaceballs'. But instead it's been painful and disturbing like that movie 'Police Academy'." - Homer Simpson, the Simpsons. The official James R Curry web page is under construction! Stand by. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 23 17:45:56 1997 From: Johnna Teare Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 17:32:25 GMT+0 Subject: Re: Just to clear things up X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <4BEF95E89@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 3868 Lines: 88 > In a message dated 22/04/97 15:53:55, you write: > > >But Malcolm is in charge of Persona. He may well have some connection > >with Dave, but as they have both stated Dave is not in charge. And > >just because he stands behind a stand a Wetherby doesn't mean he's > >the boss. The MIDI Sequencer is a good piece of software and it's > >stupid to deny a SAM user the chance to use his machine for something > >he is obviously keen in just because the company that sells the > >product isn't Format/Revelation/West Coast/Fred Publishing. If the > >SAM withers away and dies it will be because people find they no > >longer have a use for it. Promoting things like the MIDI Sequencer > >(which none of the companies with which you are associated have > >looked too keen to do) can only prolong SAM's life. > > > >Grow up. > > > > >Johnna Pig Teare > > Sorry Johnna, but I don't think it is me that needs to grow up. I didn't mean to cause any offence - it's just that it's not just Dave Ledbury who, as you say, may have brought the SAM world into disrepute. This on going feud between the pair of you should have been put to bed years ago. Or at least, it should not interfere with one SAM owner's wishes to locate a piece of software. > > I have a duty, a legal one, as Editor and Publisher of FORMAT. I cannot > refuse to accept an advert that is legal, and never have done so in the past, > but I most certainly do not have to give free publicity to anyone. Having worked on paper-based magazines before I would question this. It is the editors right to omit anything he feels like. If Tampax wanted to advertise in Your Sinclair then the editor could refuse saying it was not within the scope of the magazine etc. However, your comment about free publicity is fine. > > I have stated before that I consider that David Ledbury has harmed the SAM > cause - you may disagree as is your right. I don't question that he has let a few people down - but he has always tried to put his wrongs right again and now that everything is sorted can't we just leave it be and try and work towards a common goal...? > However, the evidence of my own > eyes (and ears) points to David Ledbury being actively involved in Persona > and therefore I will not give that company any free publicity - as is my > right. But what about the MIDI Sequencer. It's a fine piece of software that deserves a market, one that is being denied it merely because a company you don't like is marketing it. > > As to other producers of SAM (and Spectrum) products - they > receive mentions in FORMAT when they release new products. And, as > I said above, anyone is free to advertise in FORMAT provide their > advert is ok. Just going back through the files shows adverts from: > Hilton, Steve's Software, S.D.Software, NSSS, Mira Software, All > Formats Fairs, Flexibase, 8 Bit, D.E.Piggott, Kobrahsoft, Sintech, > Chezron, Saturn, Adventure Probe, Atomic, B.G.Services, > J.R.C.Cameras. Plus of course Fred, Revelation and West Coast. And > that is just going back less than two years - and omits all the > FREE publicity given by the Spectrum And Sam Resource Guide (which > listed over 50 names and addresses) so it can never be claimed > that I limit exposure in FORMAT to the handful of companies you > refer to. Okay, fair enough. I don't want to try and start another argument here - we already do enough of that (!) but I just think it's a shame that the people who currently have the monopoly on the SAM World (plug) are denying some users access to pieces of software that they want/need because of a petty feud that should have fizzled out now that Dave is taking aback seat in things. Does anybody agree? > Bob. > > Johnna Pig Teare (JohnnaPig@deathsdoor.com) JohnnaPig OnLine (www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna) "They call me Mad The Swine." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 23 17:45:56 1997 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 17:38:45 +0000 Subject: Re: Just to clear things up X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <21AD672188@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 387 Lines: 11 > But what about the MIDI Sequencer. It's a fine piece of software that > deserves a market, one that is being denied it merely because a > company you don't like is marketing it. My MIDI Sequencer is by Tim Humphries (if that rings a bell with anyone). Version 3. Quite good it is too. Get that instead. --dave-- I like Em, G5, Dsus2. I hate F7 and PageDown no-brain@mindless.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 23 18:20:50 1997 From: Johnna Teare Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 17:53:55 GMT+0 Subject: Re: Just to clear things up X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <515BB7F2C@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 589 Lines: 18 > > But what about the MIDI Sequencer. It's a fine piece of software that > > deserves a market, one that is being denied it merely because a > > company you don't like is marketing it. > > My MIDI Sequencer is by Tim Humphries (if that rings a bell with > anyone). Version 3. Quite good it is too. Get that instead. Think this is the version that is being talked about. > > --dave-- > I like Em, G5, Dsus2. I hate F7 and PageDown > > no-brain@mindless.com > Johnna Pig Teare (JohnnaPig@deathsdoor.com) JohnnaPig OnLine (www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna) "They call me Mad The Swine." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 23 18:20:56 1997 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 16:17:00 +0100 From: Dan Doore Organization: * To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no (Sam Users Mailing List) Subject: RE: CMS Note Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.20B.16 MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 348 Lines: 16 > >> but will we all get stuck in the taxi ? > >> > > > >Let me guess, you couldn't work out how to use a _door handle_ ? > > IIRC wasn't it Dan who got stuck in a taxi trying to get to the last NSSS ? > :-) You are all insane. I was driving *away* from Leeds back home on the day of the NSSS, which was why I didn't go to the show. Dan. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 23 18:42:32 1997 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 18:35:26 +0000 Subject: Re: Just to clear things up X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <229F5213EF@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 553 Lines: 15 > > My MIDI Sequencer is by Tim Humphries (if that rings a bell with > > anyone). Version 3. Quite good it is too. Get that instead. > > Think this is the version that is being talked about. Unh - but they're saying it's owned by some Blokey McKenzie or something. I just got mine from Tim. I don't follow. (am i being stupid?) --dave-- with so many pies around it's a wonder he doesn't run out of fingers eat my face : http://www.geocities.com/Area51/5636/ drink my beer : http://yi.com/home/HooperDave/ pull my leg : no-brain@mindless.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 23 18:54:54 1997 From: Johnna Teare Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 18:42:28 GMT+0 Subject: Re: Just to clear things up X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <5EB60643D@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 905 Lines: 25 > > > My MIDI Sequencer is by Tim Humphries (if that rings a bell with > > > anyone). Version 3. Quite good it is too. Get that instead. > > > > Think this is the version that is being talked about. > > Unh - but they're saying it's owned by some Blokey McKenzie or > something. I just got mine from Tim. I don't follow. (am i being > stupid?) Think Malcolm McKenzie bought the rights to it from Tim - thats the impression I'm getting and as far as I know there hasn't been any other kind of software of the MIDI ilk released for SAM... > --dave-- > with so many pies around it's a wonder he doesn't run out of fingers > > eat my face : http://www.geocities.com/Area51/5636/ > drink my beer : http://yi.com/home/HooperDave/ > pull my leg : no-brain@mindless.com > > Johnna Pig Teare (JohnnaPig@deathsdoor.com) JohnnaPig OnLine (www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna) "They call me Mad The Swine." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 23 21:03:10 1997 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 20:53:26 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@indigo.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Just to clear things up In-Reply-To: <4BEF95E89@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 3392 Lines: 68 On Wed, 23 Apr 1997, Johnna Teare wrote: > > I have a duty, a legal one, as Editor and Publisher of FORMAT. I cannot > > refuse to accept an advert that is legal, and never have done so in the past, I've heard different - but until I've checked my facts with Michael I'll stay quiet for the moment... > > but I most certainly do not have to give free publicity to anyone. > > Having worked on paper-based magazines before I would question this. It is the > editors right to omit anything he feels like. If Tampax wanted to > advertise in Your Sinclair then the editor could refuse saying it was > not within the scope of the magazine etc. However, your comment about > free publicity is fine. If someone is looking for a particular piece of software, and you don't sell a near equivalent yourself, isn't it simply polite to tell him where to buy it? After all you're not losing out yourself. Although you're right that you aren't obliged tell him, in any way except morally. However, what you did wasn't merely a lack of free publicity. If you have no intention of giving Persona's address, why print that letter at all? Answer: because you just love to get the opportunity to publicly insult and discredit your rival, who has no particular chance to counter your slanderous comments or clear his name. Frankly that's just downright rude and childish and I would have expected better of you. > > However, the evidence of my own > > eyes (and ears) points to David Ledbury being actively involved in Persona What on earth is "the evidence of your own eyes"? Clearly it isn't what you've read on this list! Say something specific and perhaps it will be possible to clear up your gross misunderstanding. The evidence of my own eyes might say that Bob Brenchley is "actively involved in" the running of Revelation and West Coast Computers, although no doubt this is obviously also a gross misunderstanding on my part, of course. > I don't want to try and start another argument here - we already do > enough of that (!) but I just think it's a shame that the people who > currently have the monopoly on the SAM World (plug) are denying some > users access to pieces of software that they want/need because of a > petty feud that should have fizzled out now that Dave is taking aback > seat in things. > > Does anybody agree? Absolutely. There's no questioning that Persona is one of the smaller companies. Unless there's a level playing field its likely to stay that way, which is a shame because Persona sell a lot of very good software that many Sam users aren't even aware of. If someone asks a specific question, I hardly think you lose out by giving them a specific answer. Whether David is taking a back seat or not (and he is, remember that) there's absolutely no need to go spouting off a load of unjustified rant of the type we saw in that letters page. Andrew +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Second Law Of Thermodynamics: | Andrew Collier, 1A NatSci | | If you think things are in a | email asc25@hermes.cam.ac.uk | | mess now, just you wait.... | Selwyn College, Cambridge | +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Construction work in progress at http://brain.sel.cam.ac.uk/~asc25 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 23 21:42:30 1997 Message-ID: <335E509C.534C@aqverpg.pb.hx> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 19:10:36 +0100 From: Neville Young Organization: X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Gloucester dresscode References: <970423110308_1752136349@emout05.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1455 Lines: 52 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: >=20 > In a message dated 23/04/97 06:50:13, you write: >=20 > >I trust the "Gloucester after-hours" gang will all be making an eff= ort to > >attend the next one (don't forget Leeds as well!!). Perhaps a few mo= re can > be > >tempted as well... > > > >Perhaps next time we should resort to the suits - although I remembe= r the > >bouncers at Avenue telling us we were *over* dressed that time....ca= n't win! > > > >CM >=20 > As long as you dont try the kilt.... >=20 > Bob. >=20 > BTW, Rose says thanks for the flowers - you can come again anytime :) Ah what a wonderful woman that Rosie is. Much too good for you. Still if you came down to Gloucester and started buying her with flower= s I'd say: OI Colin NO ! You might buy big bunches of flowers for the Scotish lassies but don't think you can come down here stealing our women and getting your wicked way with them just because you got a stylish haircut and a funny accent= . with appologies to H Enfield & co. =3D@' =3D =AC) =3D@' --=20 ---------------------------------------------------- | | |This site is levitated by superconducting magnets.| |--------------------------------------------------| |Home arivyyrl@aqverpg.pb.hx | |Work tou3exae@vozznvy.pbz | |http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~nevilley/homepage.htm | ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 23 21:42:30 1997 From: Gavin Smith Organization: University of Ulster To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 21:45:03 GMT Subject: Re: Just to clear things up X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <18569D32121@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 621 Lines: 12 > However, what you did wasn't merely a lack of free publicity. If you have > no intention of giving Persona's address, why print that letter at all? > Answer: because you just love to get the opportunity to publicly insult > and discredit your rival, who has no particular chance to counter your > slanderous comments or clear his name. Frankly that's just downright rude > and childish and I would have expected better of you. I expected better from you Andrew, than you expecting better from him :) Anybody know Guy's (the person who asked for help in Format) address so we can point him in the right direction? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 23 21:42:31 1997 Message-ID: <335E5222.5292@aqverpg.pb.hx> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 19:17:06 +0100 From: Neville Young Organization: X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: the show References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1022 Lines: 28 Andrew Collier wrote: > > On Wed, 23 Apr 1997 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > > > >Cooke. Mind you, I no longer have the pipex dial account, so I can't > > >carry on flaming people as Samsboss. You have all been fooled. > > >Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahah! > > > > > >Simon > > Simon was joking about being Samsboss........ wasn't he? > Surely Simon must have been joking about being Samsboss! > Will somebody please tell me that Simon was joking about being Samsboss? > Well before any body asks me (again) yes I do know who samsboss is. But I wil neither admit or deney that it is simon :-) -- ---------------------------------------------------- | | |This site is levitated by superconducting magnets.| |--------------------------------------------------| |Home arivyyrl@aqverpg.pb.hx | |Work tou3exae@vozznvy.pbz | |http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~nevilley/homepage.htm | ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 23 21:42:31 1997 Message-ID: <335E56DC.4B3C@aqverpg.pb.hx> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 19:37:16 +0100 From: Neville Young Organization: X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: CMS Note References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 856 Lines: 31 Dan Doore wrote: > > > >> but will we all get stuck in the taxi ? > > >> > > > > > >Let me guess, you couldn't work out how to use a _door handle_ ? > > > > IIRC wasn't it Dan who got stuck in a taxi trying to get to the last > NSSS ? > > :-) > > You are all insane. > > I was driving *away* from Leeds back home on the day of the NSSS, which > was why I didn't go to the show. > > Dan. Ok so it was some one else then. -- ---------------------------------------------------- | | |This site is levitated by superconducting magnets.| |--------------------------------------------------| |Home arivyyrl@aqverpg.pb.hx | |Work tou3exae@vozznvy.pbz | |http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~nevilley/homepage.htm | ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 23 22:16:53 1997 X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L NL @ C&L INT @ C&L INT EXTERNAL @ WORLDCOM @ OUTBOUND From: Stefan Drissen To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Message-ID: <86256482.00746550.00@internet-502.interliant.com> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 22:56:46 +0200 Subject: SAMdac patch for CONQUEST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1263 Lines: 44 Somehow the Gloucester show got that SAM blood running again. Anyway - anyone interested in a patch for ZEDD-SOFT's Conquest getting all the samples pumping out your SAMdac send me an email and I'll email you a copy. What a doddle the patch was... ho hum. Colin Piggot - you definitely should have a look at the SAM MOD player's source code to stop you wasting quite a few t-states! l8r Stefan -- **************************************** This document should only be read by those persons to whom it is addressed and is not intended to be relied upon by any person without subsequent written confirmation of its contents. Accordingly, Coopers & Lybrand disclaim all responsibility and accept no liability (including in negligence) for the consequences for any person acting, or refraining from acting, on such information prior to the receipt by those persons of subsequent written confirmation. If you have received this E-mail message in error, please notify us immediately by telephone. Please also destroy and delete the message from your computer. Any form of reproduction, dissemination, copying, disclosure, modification, distribution and/or publication of this E-mail message is strictly prohibited. **************************************** From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 23 22:24:39 1997 From: Gavin Smith Organization: University of Ulster To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 22:27:59 GMT Subject: Re: SAMdac patch for CONQUEST X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <186215D6CC7@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 363 Lines: 8 > Somehow the Gloucester show got that SAM blood running again. Anyway - > anyone interested in a patch for ZEDD-SOFT's Conquest getting all the > samples pumping out your SAMdac send me an email and I'll email you a copy. Erm, has anyone from this list got Conquest? (I ordered mine back in October I think it was...) Gavvy wavvy off home to his girly wirly From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 23 22:59:22 1997 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 22:53:20 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@blue.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAMdac patch for CONQUEST In-Reply-To: <186215D6CC7@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 807 Lines: 20 On Wed, 23 Apr 1997, Gavin Smith wrote: > Erm, has anyone from this list got Conquest? (I ordered mine back in > October I think it was...) What?! Conquest has been out and selling for months. Since September's NSSS. Something's got lost somewhere - have you not tried contacting Michael since? Andrew +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Second Law Of Thermodynamics: | Andrew Collier, 1A NatSci | | If you think things are in a | email asc25@hermes.cam.ac.uk | | mess now, just you wait.... | Selwyn College, Cambridge | +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | See Gloucester show photos at http://brain.sel.cam.ac.uk/~asc25 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 23 23:07:47 1997 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 23:02:52 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@blue.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Just to clear things up In-Reply-To: <970423110304_1455513629@emout20.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 859 Lines: 19 On Wed, 23 Apr 1997 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > just going back less than two years - and omits all the FREE publicity given > by the Spectrum And Sam Resource Guide (which listed over 50 names and > addresses) so it can never be claimed that I limit exposure in FORMAT to the I noticed that Persona wasn't in that guide. Dunno whose fault though. Andrew +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Second Law Of Thermodynamics: | Andrew Collier, 1A NatSci | | If you think things are in a | email asc25@hermes.cam.ac.uk | | mess now, just you wait.... | Selwyn College, Cambridge | +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | See Gloucester show photos at http://brain.sel.cam.ac.uk/~asc25 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 24 03:43:14 1997 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 22:38:56 EDT From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Dresscode Gloucester Show Message-Id: <19970424023911Z49164-27987+4098@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 651 Lines: 24 Date: 1997-04-23 15:19 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >Subject: Re: Dresscode Gloucester Show >From: Uncle Bulgaria >Date: 23 Apr 1997 14:27:22 +0100 > >"YOUNG Neville, IT Life" writes: >I though that was what the shows were all about? > >> Nev, the wild man of the North, Young. > ccc >Is this your name, or are you just trying to con us about your age again] >;) > >Lee. But Lee, I don't need to con any one about my age. I am, after all, in my 15th prime year. nev :-) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 24 10:01:45 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970424094555.00f64308@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 09:45:55 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Just to clear things up In-Reply-To: <229F5213EF@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 434 Lines: 14 At 06:35 PM 4/23/97 +0000, you wrote: >> > My MIDI Sequencer is by Tim Humphries (if that rings a bell with >> > anyone). Version 3. Quite good it is too. Get that instead. >> >> Think this is the version that is being talked about. > >Unh - but they're saying it's owned by some Blokey McKenzie or >something. I just got mine from Tim. I don't follow. (am i being >stupid?) Malcolm McKenzie bought the rights from Tim. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 24 10:01:45 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970424094717.00f654e0@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 09:47:17 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Just to clear things up In-Reply-To: References: <970423110304_1455513629@emout20.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 478 Lines: 17 At 11:02 PM 4/23/97 +0100, you wrote: >Status: > >On Wed, 23 Apr 1997 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > >> just going back less than two years - and omits all the FREE publicity given >> by the Spectrum And Sam Resource Guide (which listed over 50 names and >> addresses) so it can never be claimed that I limit exposure in FORMAT to the > >I noticed that Persona wasn't in that guide. Dunno whose fault though. Neither was Rooksoft, and we *did* send off our details... Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 24 11:04:35 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <21443.199704240950@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: SAMdac patch for CONQUEST To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 10:49:58 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <186215D6CC7@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> from "Gavin Smith" at Apr 23, 97 10:27:59 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 93 Lines: 7 > Gavvy wavvy off home to his girly wirly Not been down the pub, by any chance...? Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 24 12:55:14 1997 From: Gavin Smith Organization: University of Ulster To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 12:54:13 GMT Subject: Re: SAMdac patch for CONQUEST X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <19492513457@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 659 Lines: 18 > On Wed, 23 Apr 1997, Gavin Smith wrote: > > > Erm, has anyone from this list got Conquest? (I ordered mine back in > > October I think it was...) > > What?! Conquest has been out and selling for months. Since September's > NSSS. Something's got lost somewhere - have you not tried contacting > Michael since? > > > Andrew Apparently he is selling it at the shows, but no-one has got it if they ordered it by post. Something about manuals not being finished or something. I have contacted him a few times, but got no reply, and I've been told by a few other people they have yet to receive theirs too... And it sounds such a good wee game too :( From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 24 12:55:14 1997 From: Gavin Smith Organization: University of Ulster To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 12:56:41 GMT Subject: Re: SAMdac patch for CONQUEST X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <1949BF22F74@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 484 Lines: 14 > > Gavvy wavvy off home to his girly wirly > > Not been down the pub, by any chance...? > > Paul Erm. How did you know?! *grins* We actually went up to the bar to get change for the vending machines - intended to buy a packet of crisps to get change. Thought we may as well buy a pint while we were at it...decided we had better buy a second pint each, to wash the first one down. By the third we decided to just get completely pissed :) Should have known better... Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 24 13:04:25 1997 From: James R Curry Organization: De Montfort University To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 12:55:13 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Doctor, Doctor - I feel like a Z380. Or something. X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.50) Message-ID: <1DBC50B7B99@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2147 Lines: 47 Well, I dissapear for four weeks, and what's changed..? Nothing. It seems plain to me now, that this SamSon project will NEVER be completed, or progress any further than it currently has? Why.. Because no-one can agree, or give in to anyone elses opinion or point of view here. It seems we've never resolved the SRAM vs. Z380 argument. And we never will. Now if this argument has been miraculously solved and forgotten in the 4 weeks that I've been away, then please correct me, and I'll apologise immediately. But quite frankly, the chance of that having happened is slightly less than me winning the lottery, developing super-human powers and then taking a vow of silence and living as a monk for the next 4 years. Now the way I see it is as follows. When I conducted the research, it emerged that most people were on the side of Z380. Now why can't we assume that this is the way to progess, and start working again based on this assumption. Now Bob, Samsboss, you could start arguing again, and try to pursuade everyone that the only way to progess is SRAM. But face it!! You're out numbered, and you haven't convinced anyone about this in the months this debate has been going on, so what are the chances you'll convince the majority of people now? This isn't, and I repeat, this isn't a personal attack on you. Most people on this list, including myself, can be equally stubborn when we believe we're correct. But agreeing would seem to be the only real way to progress. So let's hand this project over to our hardware experts now, and see if we can get anywhere. Okay, I've been serious - Now I'll return to stupid comments and sarcasm.. ;) All spelling mistakes within this message haven't been corrected. No- one point them out. -- James R Curry hc95jc@dmu.ac.uk "When Marge first told me she was going to the police academy, I thought it'd be fun and exciting, you know, like that movie, 'Spaceballs'. But instead it's been painful and disturbing like that movie 'Police Academy'." - Homer Simpson, the Simpsons. The official James R Curry web page is under construction! Stand by. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 24 13:57:53 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 13:47:35 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@napier.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Just to clear things up In-Reply-To: <5EB60643D@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1081 Lines: 26 On Wed, 23 Apr 1997, Johnna Teare wrote: > > > > My MIDI Sequencer is by Tim Humphries (if that rings a bell with > > > > anyone). Version 3. Quite good it is too. Get that instead. > > > > > > Think this is the version that is being talked about. > > > > Unh - but they're saying it's owned by some Blokey McKenzie or > > something. I just got mine from Tim. I don't follow. (am i being > > stupid?) > > Think Malcolm McKenzie bought the rights to it from Tim - thats the > impression I'm getting and as far as I know there hasn't been any > other kind of software of the MIDI ilk released for SAM... Not yet, anyway... ;) (I need to get that MIDI toolkit going..........) -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 24 17:01:25 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 16:45:12 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@kestrel.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: the show In-Reply-To: <970424111046_-1836137717@emout01.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1053 Lines: 22 On Thu, 24 Apr 1997 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 23/04/97 15:27:28, you write: > > >Simon was joking about being Samsboss........ wasn't he? > >Surely Simon must have been joking about being Samsboss! > >Will somebody please tell me that Simon was joking about being Samsboss? > > Of course he was, after all you have stated many times that I am Samsboss, so > it can't be him or you would be wrong. Now there's a thought :) If that is true, and I have solid proof that you're not Samsboss, that I shall be the first to shake your hand and apologise. It wouldn't be the first time I was wrong, and it certainly won't be the last.... -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 24 17:01:47 1997 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 16:51:48 +0000 Subject: Re: Just to clear things up X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <38E5DE6D63@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 689 Lines: 22 > >Unh - but they're saying it's owned by some Blokey McKenzie or > >something. I just got mine from Tim. I don't follow. (am i being > >stupid?) > >--dave-- > >with so many pies around it's a wonder he doesn't run out of fingers > > > > Dave, if you have a current address for Tim then let me have it and I will > publish it in the next available issue of FORMAT. When I say 'just' I meant 'several years ago, but merely got it from Tim' ~~~~~~ Sorry, no idea where he lives. Ask Thingy McKenzie? --dave-- memory like, you know, one of those things you drain spaghetti in face! beer! leg! (I can't be bothered, you know the rest) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 24 17:13:29 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 16:54:58 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@puce.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Just to clear things up In-Reply-To: <970424111047_-467914105@emout04.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1108 Lines: 26 On Thu, 24 Apr 1997 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > >So what are you actually saying that David has really done that's any > >different to half-a-dozen other Sam companies? > >Andrew > > Oh I'm not saying that there have not been other companies that have bought > the SAM name into disrepute - its just that DL is the only one that is still > involved (from the evidence of my own eyes as I have already said) in the > running of a company. And so what if he is? Just what is your problem about it? You've not actually said what he's doing or done wrong. You just give us your overstated opinions. Andrew +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Second Law Of Thermodynamics: | Andrew Collier, 1A NatSci | | If you think things are in a | email asc25@hermes.cam.ac.uk | | mess now, just you wait.... | Selwyn College, Cambridge | +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | See Gloucester show photos at http://brain.sel.cam.ac.uk/~asc25 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 24 17:13:31 1997 Message-ID: <335F1356.57CA@aqverpg.pb.hx> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 09:01:26 +0100 From: Neville Young Organization: X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sams users mail list Subject: OH BUGGER Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1600 Lines: 50 Bugger, Damm, Blast, FU*K IT, Guess who's just blown the ASIC in his SAM. Yep Me. In fact it's worse than that I've actually managed to blow 4 ASICs in fairly rapid succession. Don't know whats going on but it seems to be software related ! I always thought you couldn't damage a chip just by running a program through it but the following sequence of events is making think different (or maybe I'm just getting paranoid) Compiled new version of HDOS load and run on sam POP dead sam. curse. Get spare sam off shelf load and run POP two dead sams curse a lot. luckily I have a (small) supply of ASICs from when I was helping with repairs. load and run program POP dead sam Fit another ASIC load and run program POP dead sam Don't really want to continue because I only have about a dozen ASICs left but it's something in the program. Has any one any ideas what the hell is going on? I'll post more details when I can be bothered to try agian. But the sams work fine until I run the program. Its not the interface as the last time I had nothing connected to sam. HHHHHH EEEEEE LLLLLL PPPPPPP -- ---------------------------------------------------- | | |This site stands on a pile of buggered chips | |--------------------------------------------------| |Home arivyyrl@aqverpg.pb.hx | |Work tou3exae@vozznvy.pbz | |http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~nevilley/homepage.htm | ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 24 17:13:45 1997 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 16:56:27 +0000 Subject: Re: Just to clear things up X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <38F9C42DEB@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1280 Lines: 29 > Just like to make one point here, there were not that many people owed money > by SAMCO. Alan and I spend several days duplicating software and getting it > out to as many as possible so there should not have been more than a handful > owed software. Hardware was a bit different, but again Alan did his best in > the few days before the liquidator took over. > > Sadly, there is some evidence that the liquidator cashed some cheques _after_ > SAMCO closed down :( > > But yes, of course, the falier of SAMCO did dent SAM image more than just a > little bit :( I'd like to add that I sent my SAM to SAMCo for repair, and got it sent back with no disc drive! But after much hassling I got them to send me one on, and inexplicably they failed to charge for the repair! If this happened to many people could that be a reason for monetary problems? ;) Or were repairs handled by a different company? I've not used my Sam since christmas, I don't think. Is it worth me buying any new software for it? (last thing I bought apart from Midi Sequencer was Hexagonia or Klax...) Anything *blindin'* ? It's just I'm buying a PC shortly, but can't face disposing of my sam... __ |_)ave |-|ooper http://yi.com/home/HooperDave/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 24 17:13:47 1997 From: James R Curry Organization: De Montfort University To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 16:56:47 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Doctor, Doctor - I feel like a Z380. Or something. In-reply-to: <970424112925_-1233087710@emout14.mail.aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.50) Message-ID: <1DFCB5C3238@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 713 Lines: 17 > Z380 - Details given/mailed to most, still a few copies to mail out - > everyone should have them in the next week. Once you have had time to digest, > then the work can start. We then need to look at:- Thanks very much for the Z380 documentation by the way, Bob... I've been looking at it during my (very limited) free time this week. :) -- James R Curry hc95jc@dmu.ac.uk "When Marge first told me she was going to the police academy, I thought it'd be fun and exciting, you know, like that movie, 'Spaceballs'. But instead it's been painful and disturbing like that movie 'Police Academy'." - Homer Simpson, the Simpsons. The official James R Curry web page is under construction! Stand by. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 24 17:32:38 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 11:10:45 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970424111044_-633386741@emout20.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Discovery (and a half) AND Photos Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 419 Lines: 18 In a message dated 23/04/97 15:05:06, you write: >On Wed, 23 Apr 1997 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > >> Just don't look at any photos of ColinM, at least not on a full stomach - >he >> is not a pretty sight these days (especially first thing this morning). >> >> Bob. > >I'd never have got away with saying anything like that! > > >Andrew No? And I doubt that I will either - he will get his revenge somehow.... Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 24 17:32:49 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 11:10:51 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970424111048_1154632203@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Just to clear things up Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 795 Lines: 22 In a message dated 23/04/97 18:28:14, you write: >Think the damamge was done when SAMCo went bust with so many peoples >monies - I wanted to reply >and give my money but I couldn't afford it not to come to fruition so >I didn't. >Johnna Just like to make one point here, there were not that many people owed money by SAMCO. Alan and I spend several days duplicating software and getting it out to as many as possible so there should not have been more than a handful owed software. Hardware was a bit different, but again Alan did his best in the few days before the liquidator took over. Sadly, there is some evidence that the liquidator cashed some cheques _after_ SAMCO closed down :( But yes, of course, the falier of SAMCO did dent SAM image more than just a little bit :( Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 24 17:32:55 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 11:10:50 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970424111046_-1836137717@emout01.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: the show Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 403 Lines: 14 In a message dated 23/04/97 15:27:28, you write: >Simon was joking about being Samsboss........ wasn't he? >Surely Simon must have been joking about being Samsboss! >Will somebody please tell me that Simon was joking about being Samsboss? > > >Andrew Of course he was, after all you have stated many times that I am Samsboss, so it can't be him or you would be wrong. Now there's a thought :) Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 24 17:33:06 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 11:29:33 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970424112922_-1401565150@emout13.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Just to clear things up Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 247 Lines: 11 In a message dated 24/04/97 08:54:50, you write: >Neither was Rooksoft, and we *did* send off our details... > >Simon Well they never arrived here Simon, ask Jenny - she handled all the replies. The only person black-balled was Ledbury. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 24 17:33:25 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 11:30:07 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970424112925_-1233087710@emout14.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Doctor, Doctor - I feel like a Z380. Or something. Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1255 Lines: 37 In a message dated 24/04/97 14:44:17, you write: >So let's hand this project over to our hardware experts now, and see >if we can get anywhere. > >Okay, I've been serious - Now I'll return to stupid comments and >sarcasm.. ;) > >All spelling mistakes within this message haven't been corrected. No- >one point them out. Would not dream of it James - not with my spelling rekord. Anyway. Progress report on hardware projects. SRAM - Waiting for me and Nev to have a few mins (days) to deside on Static RAM with battery or Flash ROM. Some work already started on getting assembler files fro ROM and MasterDOS into a form that can be used. Z380 - Details given/mailed to most, still a few copies to mail out - everyone should have them in the next week. Once you have had time to digest, then the work can start. We then need to look at:- a) What bus structure to adopt. b) How Z80 should communicate with Z380 system. c) Think about Z380 development software, which needs the SRAM work to be done first unless developement is to be done on the PC. SAM_Clock - Boards promised in next few days. SAM Mouse - still waiting for more comments, especially on what the effect on software would be if we went for a PC type mouse. HTH :) Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 24 17:33:26 1997 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: sskardon@argonet.co.uk (Stewart Skardon) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 23 Apr 97 22:52:06 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Just to clear things up Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1164 Lines: 54 On Wed 23 Apr 97 (04:03:34), gbh3rknr@ibmmail.com wrote: >Date: 1997-04-23 09:03 >Priority: > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >------ > >Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 14:37:59 -0400 (EDT) >>From: BillRitman@aol.com >>To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >>Subject: Re: Just to clear things up >> >>In a message dated 22/04/97 17:01:47, you write: >> >>>On Tue 22 Apr 97 (00:19:16), smith-gc@ulst.ac.uk wrote: >>>> >>>>In case anyone is wondering what we are talking about, we are >>>>referring to a letter in Format's April issue, >>> >>>Actually, I was wondering where my copy is. I would like to read it, >but >>it's >>>not turned up yet. >> >>Mine arrived last thursday if that helps :-) >> > >Mine arrived 22/4/97 > >Nev. > > STILL waiting! :-) Stewart -- _ (_'tewart email : sskardon@argonet.co.uk ,_)kardon Crashed Magazine - The SAM and Spectrum Magazine. Crashed WWW Site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon -=O=- Organisers of The Northern SAM and Spectrum Show NSSS WWW Site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/nsss.html From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 24 17:33:44 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <2518.199704241533@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Doctor, Doctor - I feel like a Z380. Or something. To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 16:33:19 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <970424112925_-1233087710@emout14.mail.aol.com> from "BrenchleyR@aol.com" at Apr 24, 97 11:30:07 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 271 Lines: 8 > SAM Mouse - still waiting for more comments, especially on what the effect on > software would be if we went for a PC type mouse. PC type would be best, I'd think - it would mean that you could buy a mouse for a fiver or so, rather than whatever SamCO charged. Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 24 17:36:48 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 11:10:51 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970424111049_-333696633@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Just to clear things up Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 607 Lines: 19 In a message dated 23/04/97 18:42:42, you write: >> > My MIDI Sequencer is by Tim Humphries (if that rings a bell with >> > anyone). Version 3. Quite good it is too. Get that instead. >> >> Think this is the version that is being talked about. > >Unh - but they're saying it's owned by some Blokey McKenzie or >something. I just got mine from Tim. I don't follow. (am i being >stupid?) >--dave-- >with so many pies around it's a wonder he doesn't run out of fingers Dave, if you have a current address for Tim then let me have it and I will publish it in the next available issue of FORMAT. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 24 17:36:48 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 11:10:58 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970424111047_-467914105@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Just to clear things up Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 440 Lines: 14 In a message dated 23/04/97 15:27:43, you write: >So what are you actually saying that David has really done that's any >different to half-a-dozen other Sam companies? > > >Andrew Oh I'm not saying that there have not been other companies that have bought the SAM name into disrepute - its just that DL is the only one that is still involved (from the evidence of my own eyes as I have already said) in the running of a company. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 24 17:43:31 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 17:31:55 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@puce.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Just to clear things up In-Reply-To: <19925900C63@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1637 Lines: 37 On Thu, 24 Apr 1997, Gavin Smith wrote: > If you are like chess, Chess Mate was released by Jupiter/Quazar, and > Quazar also have a few new games, and more to follow (none of which Stratosphere looks cool! But this isn't an official opinion until I've seen the finished version, Colin Piggott already has my money. > have been mentioned in Format of course...its not like Bob has too > much news to put on the news page! Check the latest issue for > example! How many news items were SAM/Speccy related???) > > *thinks hard* I'm sure there's other software, that I just can't > think of at the mo - Blitz is a nice, relatively new disczine, why > not give that a go. Don't ask Bob for the address of course, because he'll take it upon himself to protect you from this disreputable company (with no specific faults) which he doesn't consider a rival. Naturally though, he'll have answered your question as fully as he feels morally obliged to. Perhaps this would be a good time to plug my "Second Opinion" column in Zodiac magazine which, over the last four issues, has been reviewing most of the games available. Andrew +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Second Law Of Thermodynamics: | Andrew Collier, 1A NatSci | | If you think things are in a | email asc25@hermes.cam.ac.uk | | mess now, just you wait.... | Selwyn College, Cambridge | +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | See Gloucester show photos at http://brain.sel.cam.ac.uk/~asc25 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 24 17:43:31 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 17:32:52 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@aether.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Just to clear things up In-Reply-To: <19925900C63@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 810 Lines: 17 On Thu, 24 Apr 1997, Gavin Smith wrote: > Don't dispose of your SAM just cos you're buying a PC! I did that, and thoroughly regretted it when I dusted it off when I got it out of the attic last year... I still use my SAM as much as my PC (when I'm not failing my project). There's nothing better than whipping it out to play a game of Iron Man.. :) (It's not the same playing it on a Speccy emulator on the PC) -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 24 17:53:13 1997 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 17:05:46 +0000 Subject: Re: Doctor, Doctor - I feel like a Z380. Or something. X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <392150582B@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 706 Lines: 15 > > Z380 - Details given/mailed to most, still a few copies to mail out - > > everyone should have them in the next week. Once you have had time to digest, > > then the work can start. We then need to look at:- > > Thanks very much for the Z380 documentation by the way, Bob... I've > been looking at it during my (very limited) free time this week. :) Just out of interest, can I get one? Any left for moi? --- dave --- If you can read this message your browser does not support frames, video, sound, mime, color, text or any of that irratating acidic jelly. eat my face: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/5636/ drink my beer: http://yi.com/home/HooperDave/ pull my leg: no-brain@mindless.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 24 18:04:20 1997 From: Gavin Smith Organization: University of Ulster To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 17:28:54 GMT Subject: Re: Just to clear things up X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <19925900C63@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1401 Lines: 30 > I've not used my Sam since christmas, I don't think. Is it worth me > buying any new software for it? (last thing I bought apart from Midi > Sequencer was Hexagonia or Klax...) Anything *blindin'* ? > It's just I'm buying a PC shortly, but can't face disposing of my > sam... > > __ > |_)ave |-|ooper Dave, you haven't bought any thing in *ages*!! You tight git!! :) Momentum is a nice little game (from FRED) and Kaboom should be pretty spectular too if it ever gets finished. Conquest sounds like a a game from a genre SAM has been starved of (strategy) but I'd phone Zodiac and confirm that they can send it right away before you order... If you are like chess, Chess Mate was released by Jupiter/Quazar, and Quazar also have a few new games, and more to follow (none of which have been mentioned in Format of course...its not like Bob has too much news to put on the news page! Check the latest issue for example! How many news items were SAM/Speccy related???) *thinks hard* I'm sure there's other software, that I just can't think of at the mo - Blitz is a nice, relatively new disczine, why not give that a go. Don't dispose of your SAM just cos you're buying a PC! Most of us on this list have a PC I would expect - I do, and mine sits side by side with my PC on my desk. I use one nearly as much as the other :) Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 24 18:11:18 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 18:03:07 +0100 (BST) From: Tim Wells <93tgw@eng.cam.ac.uk> To: sams users mail list Subject: Re: OH BUGGER In-Reply-To: <335F1356.57CA@aqverpg.pb.hx> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1049 Lines: 31 On Thu, 24 Apr 1997, Neville Young wrote: > In fact it's worse than that I've actually managed to blow 4 ASICs in > fairly rapid succession. > > Don't know whats going on but it seems to be software related ! > I always thought you couldn't damage a chip just by running a program > through it but the following sequence of events is making think > different (or maybe I'm just getting paranoid) [Details of the new 'Ha! Death tO Sam' snipped] My guess: Looks like when the program is running, some I/O address is accessed which has a fault - e.g shorted out. (Unlikely to be memory as the program loads, and similarly, unlikely to be diskdrive). Try looking at the I/O ports that the program uses initially, and then investigate the related chunks of SAM. Also - have you any non-original SAM hardware fitted internally? (E.g. Elite printer port, new drive stuff?) => Check these for shorts to rest of SAM, otherwise check for shorts on main pcb and sockets on back. Otherwise, it's time for someone else to come up with an idea. Tim W. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 24 18:29:15 1997 From: Johnna Teare Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 18:11:27 GMT+0 Subject: Re: Just to clear things up X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <1D6CD15F27@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 479 Lines: 17 Lo, > Dave, if you have a current address for Tim then let me have it and I will > publish it in the next available issue of FORMAT. I really cannot believe the childish antics of somebody who has the future of a machine that we love in his hands. Malcolm MacKenzie sells the MIDI Sequencer through Persona. Now why not publish his address? > Bob. > Johnna Pig Teare (JohnnaPig@deathsdoor.com) JohnnaPig OnLine (www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna) "They call me Mad The Swine." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 24 18:55:14 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 18:37:46 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@aether.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Just to clear things up In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970423100946.00f60218@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 993 Lines: 23 On Wed, 23 Apr 1997, Simon Cooke wrote: > We got 64 responses... Great, huh? I've still got them all in a box in my > bedroom :) > > Given that we needed 1000 responses, the chances of getting the ASIC made > were greatly reduced. > > Mind you, I don't know what percentage of SAM owners read YS... and West > Coast's first newsletter, which printed quite happily that there will be > *NO* ASIC upgrade, ever, did a lot of damage. Don't forget that most people whoe read YS were kids like me who wanted to give the new ASIC guys 50quid but didn't have the money so didn't send off the token. -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 24 18:55:14 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 18:43:31 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@aether.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Doctor, Doctor - I feel like a Z380. Or something. In-Reply-To: <1DBC50B7B99@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 842 Lines: 19 On Thu, 24 Apr 1997, James R Curry wrote: > Why.. Because no-one can agree, or give in to anyone elses opinion > or point of view here. It seems we've never resolved the SRAM vs. > Z380 argument. And we never will. i don't know about anyone else, but I don't think either would see the light of the day. At least, I'm not holding my breath. There's too much pettiness and rivallry on this list. I'm not suprised anything's come about... -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 24 18:55:14 1997 From: Gavin Smith Organization: University of Ulster To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 18:58:34 GMT Subject: Re: Just to clear things up X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <19AA3D0401C@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 740 Lines: 18 > On Wed, 23 Apr 1997, Simon Cooke wrote: > > > We got 64 responses... Great, huh? I've still got them all in a box in my > > bedroom :) > > > > Given that we needed 1000 responses, the chances of getting the ASIC made > > were greatly reduced. > > > > Mind you, I don't know what percentage of SAM owners read YS... and West > > Coast's first newsletter, which printed quite happily that there will be > > *NO* ASIC upgrade, ever, did a lot of damage. > > Don't forget that most people whoe read YS were kids like me who wanted > to give the new ASIC guys 50quid but didn't have the money so didn't send > off the token. I filled the token in, but never cut it out of the mag (can't remember why now *sobs*) No hate mail please... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 24 19:05:57 1997 From: Johnna Teare Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 18:57:09 GMT+0 Subject: Re: Doctor, Doctor - I feel like a Z380. Or something. X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <1E2CF2104C@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1543 Lines: 38 > On Thu, 24 Apr 1997, James R Curry wrote: > > > Why.. Because no-one can agree, or give in to anyone elses opinion > > or point of view here. It seems we've never resolved the SRAM vs. > > Z380 argument. And we never will. > > i don't know about anyone else, but I don't think either would see the > light of the day. At least, I'm not holding my breath. > > There's too much pettiness and rivallry on this list. I'm not suprised > anything's come about... Bob asked for feedback from the list on his proposals. He got it - a very large majority said that a SRAM board was not the way forward - and he ignored it. It has been suggested that the 'project' was just an attempt of his to divert attention away from the debate as to who really runs West Coast Computers whihc was heating up at the time. I'm very cynical about anything to do with the Z380 card. By the time we get it it will be too late and nobody will see the SAM as a viable alternative to any kind of PC. Shame really. > > -- > ============================================================================= > |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | > |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | > |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | > ============================================================================= > > Johnna Pig Teare (JohnnaPig@deathsdoor.com) JohnnaPig OnLine (www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna) "They call me Mad The Swine." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 24 19:54:47 1997 Message-Id: <199704241846.TAA15644@mail.enterprise.net> From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-FTN-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Doctor, Doctor - I feel like a Z380. Or something. Date: 24 Apr 1997 19:27:23 Organization: TDB References: <2518.199704241533@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> X-newsreader: Spot 1.3 Unregistered X-mailer: NetGate 1.3 (Amiga; TCP/IP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1205 Lines: 28 In a message of 24 Apr 97 Mr P R Walker wrote to sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no: Hi Mr, >> SAM Mouse - still waiting for more comments, especially on what the >> effect on software would be if we went for a PC type mouse. MPR> PC type would be best, I'd think - it would mean that you could buy a MPR> mouse for a fiver or so, rather than whatever SamCO charged. Better sticking to the Atari sort. If it's gonna mess things up with older software then there's no point. There's little difference between Amiga and Atari ones. You can get hold of little adapter cables which let you use Amiga mice, even though the interface is set for Atari. So if it has to change from Atari, the best bet is the Amiga sort. A switch on the box that'd let you use Atari/Amiga/PC would be the ideal solution - but then there's the cost - and god knows it costs enough anyway. It would have been nice if there wasn't a need for a silly interface anyway. Whatever were MGT/SAMCo thinking of? And why didn't WCC integrate the mouse stuff in with the 'Elite' when they put the parallel port in there... Bye, Dave Whitmore (who already has a mouse, SAM-Bus, 1meg, 2 SAMs, SDI, SAMplifier and squillions of software stuff!) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 24 19:54:47 1997 Message-Id: <199704241846.TAA15660@mail.enterprise.net> From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-FTN-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Just to clear things up Date: 24 Apr 1997 19:36:50 Organization: spudulike References: <480347356@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> X-newsreader: Spot 1.3 Unregistered X-mailer: NetGate 1.3 (Amiga; TCP/IP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 549 Lines: 12 In a message of 23 Apr 97 Johnna Teare wrote to sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no: Hi Johnna, JT> And the issue should come with a David Ledbury fridge magnet on the JT> front, and a fold out centrefold poster, and a star interview with him A Dave Ledbury fridge magnet would be ace! Better still, they could put DL Tazzos in packets of crisps to collect. Or how about Bob Brenchley bubblegum cards, or a Dave Tonks fag coupons, or a Simon Cooke beermat, or Phil Glover garden gnomes, Steffan Drissen posters for all the girlies.. bye Dave Whitmore From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 24 19:54:47 1997 From: James R Curry Organization: De Montfort University To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 19:38:48 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Just to clear things up In-reply-to: <38F9C42DEB@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.50) Message-ID: <1E27F0D32D0@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 595 Lines: 16 > If this happened to many people could that be a reason for monetary > problems? ;) Or were repairs handled by a different company? Blue Alpha never charged me for a replacement keyboard. Despite being reminded 3 TIMES!! -- James R Curry hc95jc@dmu.ac.uk "When Marge first told me she was going to the police academy, I thought it'd be fun and exciting, you know, like that movie, 'Spaceballs'. But instead it's been painful and disturbing like that movie 'Police Academy'." - Homer Simpson, the Simpsons. The official James R Curry web page is under construction! Stand by. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 24 19:54:47 1997 Message-Id: <199704241846.TAA15668@mail.enterprise.net> From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-FTN-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Discovery (and a half) AND Photos Date: 24 Apr 1997 19:43:23 Organization: Heart of Lothian References: <25164.199704231521@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> X-newsreader: Spot 1.3 Unregistered X-mailer: NetGate 1.3 (Amiga; TCP/IP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 627 Lines: 21 In a message of 23 Apr 97 Mr P R Walker wrote to sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no: Hi Mr, >> Just don't look at any photos of ColinM, at least not on a full stomach - >> he is not a pretty sight these days (especially first thing this >> morning). MPR> These days...? Talking about piccies of shows past. I've still got quite a few pics of SAM people - and I editted some video material together from shows 1,2 & 6 for Degsy Morgan a while ago. Makes good viewing. Still got the original tapes somewhere. I've got some crackin' shots of Colin - I'm sure he'd go mad if I put them out for general viewing. :) Bye, Dave Whitmore From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 24 19:54:48 1997 Message-Id: <199704241846.TAA15655@mail.enterprise.net> From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-FTN-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: the show Date: 24 Apr 1997 19:27:33 Organization: Heart of Lothian References: X-newsreader: Spot 1.3 Unregistered X-mailer: NetGate 1.3 (Amiga; TCP/IP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 873 Lines: 28 In a message of 24 Apr 97 Justin Skists wrote to sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no: Hi Justin, ll somebody please tell me >> that Simon was joking about being Samsboss? >> Of course he was, after all you have stated many times that I am >> Samsboss, so it can't be him or you would be wrong. Now there's a thought >> :) JS> If that is true, and I have solid proof that you're not Samsboss, that JS> I shall be the first to shake your hand and apologise. It wouldn't be JS> the first time I was wrong, and it certainly won't be the last.... If it is true, then Simon better hide next time he sees me! After all the little debates we've had about Samsboss's identity - I feel as though I've been wound up good-style. "Hey Dave, do you think it could be ____" - and I'd say, "Oh no, not ___", and go into the reasons why it couldn't be. Grrrrrrrrr!!! :) Dave Whitmore From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 24 20:22:06 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 20:12:56 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@aether.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Just to clear things up In-Reply-To: <38F9C42DEB@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 672 Lines: 15 On Thu, 24 Apr 1997, Dave Hooper wrote: > If this happened to many people could that be a reason for monetary > problems? ;) Or were repairs handled by a different company? Did I tell you guys tat West Coast sent me a free disk-drive when I ordered a tabe based machine? -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 24 20:22:06 1997 From: Gavin Smith Organization: University of Ulster To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 20:26:48 GMT Subject: Re: the show X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <19C1C695F85@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 778 Lines: 22 > If it is true, then Simon better hide next time he sees me! After all the > little debates we've had about Samsboss's identity - I feel as though I've > been wound up good-style. "Hey Dave, do you think it could be ____" - and > I'd say, "Oh no, not ___", and go into the reasons why it couldn't be. > > Grrrrrrrrr!!! > > :) > > > Dave Whitmore He was joking!! Trust me on this one!!! I have private mails from Samsboss and I know the Cookie monster didn't write them (unless he and Bob have something going...*grins*) Strange we haven't heard from Samsboss lately actually. Wonder if Bill Ritman is the new Samsboss? *grins* (Hi Bill!) Which reminds me, how do you get a list of people on this list? I tried the commands in the help file, but to no avail. Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 24 21:02:26 1997 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 20:54:28 +0000 Subject: Re: Just to clear things up X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <3CF10E3405@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 561 Lines: 14 > Did I tell you guys tat West Coast sent me a free disk-drive when I > ordered a tabe based machine? That'd be mine then... grrrr... (especially if the flap and buttons are a badly-painted-and-flakey-black-paint affair cuz i did em meself) --dave-- ADVERTISEMENT---- | Holy Cheesus! Cheese flavored potato balls snack! From the makers of Schmilk - the surprising alternative to milk! | ------------+ eat my face: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/5636/ drink my beer: http://yi.com/home/HooperDave/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 24 22:46:16 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 17:34:09 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970424173315_-300124690@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Discovery (and a half) AND Photos Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 498 Lines: 20 In a message dated 24/04/97 18:57:09, you write: >Talking about piccies of shows past. I've still got quite a few pics of SAM >people - and I editted some video material together from shows 1,2 & 6 for >Degsy Morgan a while ago. Makes good viewing. Still got the original tapes >somewhere. I've got some crackin' shots of Colin - I'm sure he'd go mad if I >put them out for general viewing. :) > >Bye, > >Dave Whitmore Go ahead, make our day :) Bob. p.s. If there are any of me I'll....... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 24 22:46:16 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 17:35:15 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970424173313_-1065682446@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Doctor, Doctor - I feel like a Z380. Or something. Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2140 Lines: 53 In a message dated 24/04/97 18:57:07, you write: >In a message of 24 Apr 97 Mr P R Walker wrote to sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no: > >Hi Mr, > > >> SAM Mouse - still waiting for more comments, especially on what the > >> effect on software would be if we went for a PC type mouse. > > MPR> PC type would be best, I'd think - it would mean that you could buy a > MPR> mouse for a fiver or so, rather than whatever SamCO charged. > >Better sticking to the Atari sort. If it's gonna mess things up with older >software then there's no point. There's little difference between Amiga and >Atari ones. You can get hold of little adapter cables which let you use >Amiga mice, even though the interface is set for Atari. So if it has to >change from Atari, the best bet is the Amiga sort. It is only two wires crossed over, so the new batch of boards will have it switched fro Amiga instead of Atari. However, some Amiga mice seem to be too high a resolution to work - so it does not open up the choice that much. > >A switch on the box that'd let you use Atari/Amiga/PC would be the ideal >solution - but then there's the cost - and god knows it costs enough anyway. Yes, a switch would be too much. But jumpers on the board may be on, although not for PC type as they are totally different. >It would have been nice if there wasn't a need for a silly interface anyway. >Whatever were MGT/SAMCo thinking of? And why didn't WCC integrate the mouse >stuff in with the 'Elite' when they put the parallel port in there... Bruce did want to convert the interface into a small ASIC like chip and build it into the mouse itself. However, costs were against him. Not everyone wants a mouse and as it would have added to the total price of the Elite I don't think that would have been a good idea. The thing is that the internal printer interface turned out to be so easy to do that it just had to be done. (It had to be simple - I designed it). The hard part was the mods to the plastic case top. > >Bye, > >Dave Whitmore > (who already has a mouse, SAM-Bus, 1meg, 2 SAMs, SDI, SAMplifier and >squillions of software stuff!) Only TWO Sams Dave :) Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 24 22:46:16 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 17:35:47 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970424173309_-1568643982@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Doctor, Doctor - I feel like a Z380. Or something. Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 677 Lines: 21 In a message dated 24/04/97 16:21:15, you write: >> SAM Mouse - still waiting for more comments, especially on what the effect >on >> software would be if we went for a PC type mouse. > >PC type would be best, I'd think - it would mean that you could buy a mouse >for >a fiver or so, rather than whatever SamCO charged. > >Paul Well the SAM Mouse System is now #39.95 (and I think that is what SAMCO charged as well) even though the Mouse itself has almost doubled in price in the last three years. I don't think changing to a PC mouse would make any difference to the overall price (at least not much) but it would make buying a replacement mouse that much cheaper. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 24 23:12:14 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 17:56:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Gouranga@aol.com Message-ID: <970424175626_1355623720@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Show report Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 357 Lines: 10 And so, just to make everyone who wasn't at the show glad they weren't, here is the first official Show Report...tada. Intended for FRED, it's more of a verbose story of my trip surrounding the show, but it does mention the show at least once, so feel free to have a read. You will find the offending item at : http://members.aol.com/gouranga/show.html From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 24 23:58:58 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 23:54:15 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@navy.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: the show In-Reply-To: <19C1C695F85@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 764 Lines: 22 On Thu, 24 Apr 1997, Gavin Smith wrote: > Which reminds me, how do you get a list of people on this list? I > tried the commands in the help file, but to no avail. > Gavin Send a message to sam-users-request@nvg.ntnu.no containing the single word: who Andrew +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Second Law Of Thermodynamics: | Andrew Collier, 1A NatSci | | If you think things are in a | email asc25@hermes.cam.ac.uk | | mess now, just you wait.... | Selwyn College, Cambridge | +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | See Gloucester show photos at http://brain.sel.cam.ac.uk/~asc25 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 25 09:17:55 1997 Message-ID: <40F3D73001F73000@c2gate.tcom.co.uk> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 8:47:00 +0100 From: Dan Doore Organization: * To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no (Sam Users Mailing List) Subject: RE: the show Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.20B.16 MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 427 Lines: 14 > Which reminds me, how do you get a list of people on this list? I > tried the commands in the help file, but to no avail. Three options: 1. Mail to sam-users-request@nvg.ntnu.no with just 'who' in the body (a la Mr Collier). 2. Mail to majordomo@nvg.ntnu.no with 'who sam-users' in the body. 3. Mail to dandoore@bacg.com with 'Gimmie the list' in the body. Mine has (some of) the names to go with the addresses. Dan. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 25 11:13:07 1997 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 09:53:07 +0100 (BST) From: Tim Paveley To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Samboss (was: Re: the show) In-Reply-To: <19C1C695F85@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1891 Lines: 51 > have something going...*grins*) Strange we haven't heard from > Samsboss lately actually. Wonder if Bill Ritman is the new Samsboss? > *grins* (Hi Bill!) This is related to several quotes I have seen, not just his one.... Picture the scene. You've recently been able to afford some internet access and a nice email account. Owning a small minority computer, which has a friendly user base, you join a mailing list about the computer. You send out a nice little "Hello" message. Some of the first replies are those slagging off another user on the list, who likes being anonymous, and others on the list don't like this. So you read this email, perhaps get "bad vibes" about said user. Emails go on, you see how much of a bickering community the sam-users lot really are. You makee the mistake of trying to be helpful, and god forbid, actually say that you received your copy of format recently, and are pleased with the service from them. U-huh! Bad move. You've become a suspect, obviously no-one could actually agree with anything bob says, he's the anti-sam-owner, the bill gates of the sam world. So you've been blacklisted. You're samboss in another guise. Maybe you are bob brenchly.... The comment quoted above was probably meant in jest, not serious, but if I'd recently joined this list, didn't know about all the bitchiness and infighting, I might not take it that way. Generally can't people just chill out a bit, and try to get on. Please? Pretty please? and none of this crap about "oh he started it", or "he's the one being childish about it", that whole line of thought is childish in itself... ....@/ .........................................................................@/ Unc - Tim Paveley - http://dplinux.sund.ac.uk/~unc/ Staff of the Monochrome BBS - http://www.mono.org/ Owner of a Sam Coupe - http://www.mono.org/~unc/Coupe/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 25 11:13:08 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970425103755.00f6a918@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 10:37:55 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: OH BUGGER In-Reply-To: <335F1356.57CA@aqverpg.pb.hx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 538 Lines: 16 At 09:01 AM 4/24/97 +0100, you wrote: >Don't know whats going on but it seems to be software related ! >I always thought you couldn't damage a chip just by running a program >through it but the following sequence of events is making think >different (or maybe I'm just getting paranoid) > >Compiled new version of HDOS >load and run on sam [snip] >Its not the interface as the last time I had nothing connected to sam. Ummm... any way that you could single-step through the code and see what's happening? Sounds very odd though. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 25 11:23:05 1997 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 11:14:55 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@mersenne.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Just to clear things up In-Reply-To: <3CF10E3405@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 868 Lines: 21 On Thu, 24 Apr 1997, Dave Hooper wrote: > > Did I tell you guys tat West Coast sent me a free disk-drive when I > > ordered a tabe based machine? > > That'd be mine then... grrrr... > (especially if the flap and buttons are a > badly-painted-and-flakey-black-paint affair cuz i did em meself) Since my button is blue, as is the flap, I think I can safely say it's not your's.. :) (Unless West Coast (or was it SAMco, not sure now..) scraped the paint off for me..) -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 25 11:23:05 1997 From: Gavin Smith Organization: University of Ulster To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 11:31:43 GMT Subject: RE: the show X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <1AB320F21D2@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 491 Lines: 15 > > Which reminds me, how do you get a list of people on this list? I > > tried the commands in the help file, but to no avail. > > Three options: > > 1. Mail to sam-users-request@nvg.ntnu.no with just 'who' in the body (a > la Mr Collier). > 2. Mail to majordomo@nvg.ntnu.no with 'who sam-users' in the body. > 3. Mail to dandoore@bacg.com with 'Gimmie the list' in the body. > > Mine has (some of) the names to go with the addresses. > > Dan. Thanks for your help Andrew and Dan. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 25 11:37:55 1997 From: Gavin Smith Organization: University of Ulster To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 11:41:07 GMT Subject: Re: Samboss (was: Re: the show) X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <1AB5A4B5DE6@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1291 Lines: 32 > > have something going...*grins*) Strange we haven't heard from > > Samsboss lately actually. Wonder if Bill Ritman is the new Samsboss? > > *grins* (Hi Bill!) > The comment quoted above was probably meant in jest, not serious, but if > I'd recently joined this list, didn't know about all the bitchiness and > infighting, I might not take it that way. My comment was clearly meant in jest, hence the use of the word "grins" and the fact that I said hello to him. > Generally can't people just chill out a bit, and try to get on. > > Please? > > Pretty please? > > and none of this crap about "oh he started it", or "he's the one being > childish about it", that whole line of thought is childish in itself... Listen Tim - unless I'm wrong, you didn't get continual abusive personal emails from Samsboss. Trust me, if you had received the amount of personal abuse that I did, you would be suspicious and extremely eager to find out who Samsboss is. If Bill took my comment in any way other than a joke, then I'm sorry Bill (and again, welcome to the list). Why on earth you decided to bring it upon yourself Tim, to start an argument about nothing is beyond me. Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 25 11:52:54 1997 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 11:38:06 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@indigo.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: RE: the show In-Reply-To: <1AB320F21D2@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 885 Lines: 30 On Fri, 25 Apr 1997, Gavin Smith wrote: > Thanks for your help Andrew and Dan. You're welcome Gavin. GLOUCESTER SAM/SPECCY SHOW PHOTOS ARE NOW AVAILABLE AT: http://brain.sel.cam.ac.uk/~asc25/showpics (There are still a few left to scan, but MBM won't let me upload then until he's done some sysadmin) Meanwhile enjoy, and enter the caption competition! (prize=fame) Andrew +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Second Law Of Thermodynamics: | Andrew Collier, 1A NatSci | | If you think things are in a | email asc25@hermes.cam.ac.uk | | mess now, just you wait.... | Selwyn College, Cambridge | +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | See Gloucester show photos at http://brain.sel.cam.ac.uk/~asc25 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 25 12:19:36 1997 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 13:06:18 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9704251106.AA14879@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: RE: the show X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 229 Lines: 8 > (There are still a few left to scan, but MBM won't let me upload then > until he's done some sysadmin) > > Meanwhile enjoy, and enter the caption competition! (prize=fame) Ohmygod...I didn't shave that morning...... -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 25 12:37:20 1997 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Just to clear things up References: <970424111049_-333696633@emout06.mail.aol.com> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware From: Uncle Bulgaria Date: 25 Apr 1997 12:18:28 +0100 In-Reply-To: BrenchleyR@aol.com's message of Thu, 24 Apr 1997 11:10:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.46/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 710 Lines: 21 BrenchleyR@aol.com writes: > In a message dated 23/04/97 18:42:42, you write: > > >> > My MIDI Sequencer is by Tim Humphries (if that rings a bell with > >> > anyone). Version 3. Quite good it is too. Get that instead. > >> > >> Think this is the version that is being talked about. > > > Dave, if you have a current address for Tim then let me have it and I will > publish it in the next available issue of FORMAT. > Doh! Tim sold the rights to Persona. Print their address! Lee. -- No matter how hard you try, you can't make a baby in in much less than 9 months. Trying to speed this up *might* make it slower, but it won't make it happen any quicker. [ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/rfc/rfc1925.txt] From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 25 13:13:14 1997 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 07:43:56 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970425074354_-733968380@emout20.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Just to clear things up Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 432 Lines: 14 In a message dated 24/04/97 23:05:39, you write: >On Thu, 24 Apr 1997, Dave Hooper wrote: > >> If this happened to many people could that be a reason for monetary >> problems? ;) Or were repairs handled by a different company? > >Did I tell you guys tat West Coast sent me a free disk-drive when I >ordered a tabe based machine? You did Justin, sept twas SAMCO the last time you told it - but its still a good story :) Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 25 13:13:22 1997 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 07:43:57 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970425074355_-1903636860@emout01.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: SAM COMMS INTERFACE. Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1191 Lines: 30 Greetings from rainswept Gloucester. I've had a couple of people email/ring me about the SAM Comms interface. So here are the facts:- 1) The Comms interface is no longer a stock item - only 9 having been sold since WCC took over. However, they can be built to order (although there is not guarantee on delivery time). 2) There are currently 15 boards left in stock (well actually they are not in stock any more because I picked them up last night and they are sat here on my desk). 3) There are a large number of Parallel Printer Interfaces out there in the SAM world that are built on Comms boards - these could be upgraded to full comms if anyone wanted to. 4) The two most important chips for the Comms interface are in stock. a) The MAX 232 stock stands at around 800 chips (Actual part number is ICL232CPE if that tells anyone anything). b) The IM26C91 stock should stand at 360 (but just at the moment we can't find them, but not everything is unpacked yet after the move from South Wales). 5) The artwork exists to do more boards - but they would cost out at about #7 each if done in a batch of say 50 to 100. Any thoughts on the subject? Any other use for the chips? Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 25 13:13:23 1997 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 07:43:52 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970425074351_-831638396@emout17.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Samboss (was: Re: the show) Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 158 Lines: 11 In a message dated 25/04/97 10:16:13, you write: >Generally can't people just chill out a bit, and try to get on. > >Please? > >Pretty please? MT :) Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 25 13:13:24 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <12602.199704251149@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Discovery (and a half) AND Photos To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 12:49:30 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <199704241846.TAA15668@mail.enterprise.net> from "Dave Whitmore" at Apr 24, 97 07:43:23 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 269 Lines: 6 > somewhere. I've got some crackin' shots of Colin - I'm sure he'd go mad if I > put them out for general viewing. :) Go ahead, feel free... :) I've got about 6Mb of account space doing nothing at the moment, if you're short. Wouldn't want to use /all/ of it, but.. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 25 13:13:25 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <12807.199704251151@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Doctor, Doctor - I feel like a Z380. Or something. To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 12:50:57 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <199704241846.TAA15644@mail.enterprise.net> from "Dave Whitmore" at Apr 24, 97 07:27:23 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 382 Lines: 7 > Better sticking to the Atari sort. If it's gonna mess things up with older > software then there's no point. There's little difference between Amiga and In what way would it mess it up? I was thinking of something to "translate" any signals from the PC mouse into stuff that the Sam would recognise, before it even got to the Sam port. DOn't know if it's possible or not, but.. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 25 13:25:25 1997 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Samboss (was: Re: the show) References: <970425074351_-831638396@emout17.mail.aol.com> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware From: Uncle Bulgaria Date: 25 Apr 1997 13:18:59 +0100 In-Reply-To: BrenchleyR@aol.com's message of Fri, 25 Apr 1997 07:43:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.46/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 426 Lines: 20 BrenchleyR@aol.com writes: > In a message dated 25/04/97 10:16:13, you write: > > >Generally can't people just chill out a bit, and try to get on. > > > >Please? > > > >Pretty please? > > MT :) > Eh? -- No matter how hard you try, you can't make a baby in in much less than 9 months. Trying to speed this up *might* make it slower, but it won't make it happen any quicker. [ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/rfc/rfc1925.txt] From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 25 13:25:25 1997 From: James R Curry Organization: De Montfort University To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 13:14:27 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Samboss (was: Re: the show) References: <19C1C695F85@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.50) Message-ID: <1F417484C7E@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 565 Lines: 15 > and none of this crap about "oh he started it", or "he's the one being > childish about it", that whole line of thought is childish in itself... Well, I didn't start it. It's not my fault. ;) -- James R Curry hc95jc@dmu.ac.uk "When Marge first told me she was going to the police academy, I thought it'd be fun and exciting, you know, like that movie, 'Spaceballs'. But instead it's been painful and disturbing like that movie 'Police Academy'." - Homer Simpson, the Simpsons. The official James R Curry web page is under construction! Stand by. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 25 14:21:03 1997 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 09:12:11 EDT From: "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Samboss (was: Re: the show) Message-Id: <19970425131229Z49157-27987+4374@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 401 Lines: 22 Date: 1997-04-25 14:02 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: BrenchleyR@aol.com >To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >Subject: Re: Samboss (was: Re: the show) > >In a message dated 25/04/97 10:16:13, you write: > >>Generally can't people just chill out a bit, and try to get on. >> >>Please? >> >>Pretty please? > >MT :) > >Bob. Bloody AOL users :) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 25 16:57:33 1997 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: sskardon@argonet.co.uk (Stewart Skardon) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 25 Apr 97 15:09:36 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Just to clear things up Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1054 Lines: 41 On Thu 24 Apr 97 (11:29:33), brenchleyr@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 24/04/97 08:54:50, you write: > >>Neither was Rooksoft, and we *did* send off our details... >> >>Simon > >Well they never arrived here Simon, ask Jenny - she handled all the replies. > >The only person black-balled was Ledbury. > >Bob. > > It's times like this when I wish that there were still SAM dealers. I'd buy all of my SAM stuff from them, tell everyone not to buy their SAM stuff from FORMAT etc, and see how Bob likes being crapped upon. I seem to detect a certain amount of bitterness towards Persona. Nothing to do with copyrights perchance? Stewart (Getting more daring by the day!) -- _ (_'tewart email : sskardon@argonet.co.uk ,_)kardon Crashed Magazine - The SAM and Spectrum Magazine. Crashed WWW Site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon -=O=- Organisers of The Northern SAM and Spectrum Show NSSS WWW Site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/nsss.html From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 25 17:14:16 1997 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 13:56:34 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@nutmeg.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Doctor, Doctor - I feel like a Z380. Or something. In-Reply-To: <12807.199704251151@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1407 Lines: 29 On Fri, 25 Apr 1997, Mr P R Walker wrote: > > > Better sticking to the Atari sort. If it's gonna mess things up with older > > software then there's no point. There's little difference between Amiga and > > In what way would it mess it up? I was thinking of something to "translate" > any signals from the PC mouse into stuff that the Sam would recognise, before > it even got to the Sam port. DOn't know if it's possible or not, but.. I think I said this before. AFAICT, the PC mouse works on the RS232-type principle. It should be easy to connect it to the serial port on the COMMS box and use software to decode the numbers. This is what I did on my PC to get the mouse working in QBASIC (I didn't know how to access the software interrupts at the time). Of course, it won't work with existing software. The only way around that would be to use a microcontroller (or something) to read the mouse using its serial connection and present the results to the SAM mouse port using its parallel ports.. -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 25 17:14:17 1997 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 11:02:40 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970425110235_-400726274@emout11.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Samboss (was: Re: the show) Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 268 Lines: 20 In a message dated 25/04/97 13:37:21, you write: >> >>In a message dated 25/04/97 10:16:13, you write: >> >>>Generally can't people just chill out a bit, and try to get on. >>> >>>Please? >>> >>>Pretty please? >> >>MT :) >> >>Bob. >Bloody AOL users >:) Yep. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 25 17:14:18 1997 Message-Id: From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale) Subject: Re: SAM COMMS INTERFACE. To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 16:53:14 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <970425074355_-1903636860@emout01.mail.aol.com> from "BrenchleyR@aol.com" at Apr 25, 97 07:43:57 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 681 Lines: 16 > 4) The two most important chips for the Comms interface are in stock. > a) The MAX 232 stock stands at around 800 chips (Actual part number is > ICL232CPE if that tells anyone anything). > b) The IM26C91 stock should stand at 360 (but just at the moment we can't > > Any thoughts on the subject? Any other use for the chips? > Yes... those two together, plus a 50p address decoder, would make a very nice PC mouse interface. Except for the software problem though - but if most software uses the mouse driver supplied with the mouse then it shouldn't be too much trouble to get a fair few programs to work. And new ones could be written with the new mouse in mind... -Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 25 17:14:19 1997 Message-Id: From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale) Subject: Re: Doctor, Doctor - I feel like a Z380. Or something. To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 16:54:55 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <12807.199704251151@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> from "Mr P R Walker" at Apr 25, 97 12:50:57 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 374 Lines: 8 > In what way would it mess it up? I was thinking of something to "translate" > any signals from the PC mouse into stuff that the Sam would recognise, before > it even got to the Sam port. DOn't know if it's possible or not, but.. In a word: yes. I'm very close to getting a PC mouse to work as a joystick, and it's only a little leap to get it to mimic a SAM mouse. Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 25 18:59:09 1997 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 13:46:31 -0400 (EDT) From: BillRitman@aol.com Message-ID: <970425134630_609643048@emout11.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Samboss (was: Re: the show) Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 221 Lines: 13 In a message dated 25/04/97 13:37:21, you write: >>MT :) >> >>Bob. >Bloody AOL users >:) Do you mind? I am on AOL as well. Why do people always pick on us? Bill. Feeling that just maybe I should have gone to Prestel. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 25 18:59:09 1997 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 13:47:33 -0400 (EDT) From: BillRitman@aol.com Message-ID: <970425134729_-434254298@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Samboss (was: Re: the show) Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 104 Lines: 12 In a message dated 25/04/97 12:26:36, you write: >> MT :) >> > >Eh? It means "Me Too". HTH. Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 25 18:59:09 1997 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 13:51:42 -0400 (EDT) From: BillRitman@aol.com Message-ID: <970425135140_-767506643@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Samboss (was: Re: the show) Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 703 Lines: 19 In a message dated 25/04/97 10:47:26, you write: >Listen Tim - unless I'm wrong, you didn't get continual abusive personal >emails >from Samsboss. Trust me, if you had received the amount of personal >abuse that I did, you would be suspicious and extremely eager to find >out who Samsboss is. If Bill took my comment in any way other than a >joke, then I'm sorry Bill (and again, welcome to the list). Why on >earth you decided to bring it upon yourself Tim, to start an argument >about nothing is beyond me. > >Gavin I'm getting lots of mentions today - must have put the right after-shave on this morning. Bill (Who does not mind anything people say about him, as long as he is not ignored) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 25 19:07:57 1997 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 13:58:27 -0400 (EDT) From: BillRitman@aol.com Message-ID: <970425135816_-1435061966@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: the show Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 598 Lines: 18 In a message dated 24/04/97 23:05:44, you write: >He was joking!! Trust me on this one!!! I have private mails from Samsboss >and I know the Cookie monster didn't write them (unless he and Bob >have something going...*grins*) Strange we haven't heard from >Samsboss lately actually. Wonder if Bill Ritman is the new Samsboss? >*grins* (Hi Bill!) Hi, nice to see my name on the list again - thought people had forgotten I was here as I do not have much to say. > Bill. p.s. The list may have been quiet when I first logged on but the last few days have really taken off. Nice (I think). From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 25 22:28:56 1997 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 17:09:58 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970425170957_-599717025@emout14.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Doctor, Doctor - I feel like a Z380. Or something. Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 699 Lines: 22 In a message dated 25/04/97 12:14:58, you write: >> Better sticking to the Atari sort. If it's gonna mess things up with older >> software then there's no point. There's little difference between Amiga and > >In what way would it mess it up? I was thinking of something to "translate" >any signals from the PC mouse into stuff that the Sam would recognise, before >it even got to the Sam port. DOn't know if it's possible or not, but.. > > No, I don't know either. Could be the electronics would be to expensive going that route. Question: Who has NOT got a mouse with their SAM? Early last year a sent a questionairre out to a smaple of SAM users and that showed only 20% had mice. Bob. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Apr 26 11:47:11 1997 Message-Id: From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale) Subject: Re: Doctor, Doctor - I feel like a Z380. Or something. To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 11:38:06 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <970425170957_-599717025@emout14.mail.aol.com> from "BrenchleyR@aol.com" at Apr 25, 97 05:09:58 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1028 Lines: 34 > No, I don't know either. Could be the electronics would be to expensive going > that route. > What I've got so far is a device that uses a MAX232 and a PIC16C84 (which you can get for about 3-quid in volume) that reads a serial PC mouse and then outputs a joystick-type signal. Anyway, from my experiment I reckon it should be possible to mimic a SAM mouse using: 1*PIC 1*MAX232 4*multiplexer (the same one as in the current i/face) 1*counter (can't remember the chip no. but there 5 of them in the current i/face) 3*latch (eg ls373) 1*quad and so although it would need the MAX232 and the PIC, it would use 3 or 4 less ls chips. Some things I need to know are: 1) how often does the mouse driver read the mouse? Every frame interrupt? 2) Roughly speaking, what sort of displacement is common between reads? There are 12-bits read, but is a displacement of +/-2048 likely? I'm imagining something much smaller like a few dozen blips in either direction when read 50 times per second Thanks for any help! Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Apr 26 14:24:18 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <6913.199704261313@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Doctor, Doctor - I feel like a Z380. Or something. To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 14:13:39 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <970425170957_-599717025@emout14.mail.aol.com> from "BrenchleyR@aol.com" at Apr 25, 97 05:09:58 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 276 Lines: 12 > No, I don't know either. Could be the electronics would be to expensive going > that route. It would appear not - I think that doing it this way would be a lot better, personally. > Question: Who has NOT got a mouse with their SAM? Early last year a sent a Me! :) Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Apr 26 14:24:18 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <6938.199704261314@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Doctor, Doctor - I feel like a Z380. Or something. To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 14:14:01 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Andrew M Gale" at Apr 25, 97 04:54:55 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 188 Lines: 5 > In a word: yes. I'm very close to getting a PC mouse to work as a > joystick, and it's only a little leap to get it to mimic a SAM mouse. Good, good. Let us know when it's working. :) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Apr 26 14:24:24 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <7037.199704261316@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Doctor, Doctor - I feel like a Z380. Or something. To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 14:15:59 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Justin Skists" at Apr 25, 97 01:56:34 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 619 Lines: 16 > I think I said this before. Possibly, but you know what my memory's like. (80ns at best!) > Of course, it won't work with existing software. The only way around that If we go with Andrew's idea, it would seem that existing software that uses the driver will work fine. If we use the below one (which is what I originally meant) there would no way for the SAM to tell the difference, really. :) > would be to use a microcontroller (or something) to read the mouse using > its serial connection and present the results to the SAM mouse port > using its parallel ports.. That was the idea (from my end anyway). From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Apr 26 14:54:40 1997 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: sskardon@argonet.co.uk (Stewart Skardon) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sat, 26 Apr 97 14:50:39 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: FORMAT Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 486 Lines: 25 I'm STILL waiting for the April issue. And Bob thinks David was bad for not sending things! :-P Stewart -- _ (_'tewart email : sskardon@argonet.co.uk ,_)kardon Crashed Magazine - The SAM and Spectrum Magazine. Crashed WWW Site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon -=O=- Organisers of The Northern SAM and Spectrum Show NSSS WWW Site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/nsss.html From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Apr 26 17:01:33 1997 Message-Id: <199704261547.QAA18881@mail.enterprise.net> From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-FTN-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: serial mouse Date: 26 Apr 1997 16:11:24 Organization: 1.Outside X-newsreader: Spot 1.3 Unregistered X-mailer: NetGate 1.3 (Amiga; TCP/IP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 456 Lines: 14 Hi For people who didn't see SAM Supp 53, there was an interesting article and some software and diagrams for using a serial mouse through the SAM comms interface (as usual, the pin-outs need modifying). It's all based on stuff by our very own list member Slawek, and apart from the German text on the diagram, it looks quite good. Anyway, I've ripped the article and stuff out as a .pak file which is available (from me) through email. Dave Whitmore From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Apr 26 17:01:44 1997 Message-Id: <199704261547.QAA18892@mail.enterprise.net> From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-FTN-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Doctor, Doctor - I feel like a Z380. Or something. Date: 26 Apr 1997 16:31:27 Organization: Heart of Lothian References: <970424173313_-1065682446@emout08.mail.aol.com> X-newsreader: Spot 1.3 Unregistered X-mailer: NetGate 1.3 (Amiga; TCP/IP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1532 Lines: 38 In a message of 24 Apr 97 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote to sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no: Hi Bob, Bac> Bruce did want to convert the interface into a small ASIC like chip Bac> and build it into the mouse itself. However, costs were against him. Then we would have been stuck with no choice at all, except ones sold by SAMCo. I can see his reasoning. :) Bac> Not everyone wants a mouse and as it would have added to the total That's true. I hardly ever bother plugging mine in. The only trouble is that people think a machine without a mouse is odd and old fashioned these days. Bac> price of the Elite I don't think that would have been a good idea. The Bac> thing is that the internal printer interface turned out to be so easy Bac> to do that it just had to be done. (It had to be simple - I designed Bac> it). The hard part was the mods to the plastic case top. I know you've seen Derek Morgan's SAM - the one with the interface built into the case. It looks a lot better than the box trailing from the socket, and it saves wear on the plug/socket too. Another user I know connected the interface through the socket for drive 2. >> (who already has a mouse, SAM-Bus, 1meg, 2 SAMs, SDI, SAMplifier and >> squillions of software stuff!) Bac> Only TWO Sams Dave :) Only two. I don't have a shed-full begging to be bought. The other one is in the loft, having a well deserved rest after suffering years of abuse. I'm down to one internal drive now. It'll be a sad day if that one ever decides to pack in. Dave Whitmore From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Apr 26 17:01:44 1997 Message-Id: <199704261547.QAA18905@mail.enterprise.net> From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-FTN-To: Mr P R Walker Subject: Doctor, Doctor - I feel like a Z380. Or something. Date: 26 Apr 1997 16:42:13 Organization: Suzies armchair References: <12807.199704251151@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> X-newsreader: Spot 1.3 Unregistered X-mailer: NetGate 1.3 (Amiga; TCP/IP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 968 Lines: 25 In a message of 25 Apr 97 Mr P R Walker wrote to sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no: Hi Mr, >> Better sticking to the Atari sort. If it's gonna mess things up with >> older software then there's no point. There's little difference between >> Amiga and MPR> In what way would it mess it up? I was thinking of something to MPR> "translate" any signals from the PC mouse into stuff that the Sam would MPR> recognise, before it even got to the Sam port. DOn't know if it's MPR> possible or not, but.. ISWYM. Then again, why not have a different mouse besides the normal option. It'll look good on the front-end of programs when you're asked to choose a mouse driver. People will be able to busy themselves hacking existing mouse programs and everyone'll be happy(!). The article I read suggests that it's a lot cheaper to use a PC mouse - but then again, there's a shortage of comms interfaces AND it needs to be modified before it can be used. The joys... Dave Whitmore From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Apr 26 17:18:35 1997 Message-ID: <3362A801.1846@free.polbox.pl> Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 18:13:00 -0700 From: Tomasz Pudlo X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: HDD Drive Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 46 Lines: 1 How to connect HDD Drive (IDE) to Sam Coupe ? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Apr 27 17:55:17 1997 Message-ID: <336383EC.101E@aqverpg.pb.hx> Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 17:50:52 +0100 From: Neville Young Organization: X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: HDD Drive References: <3362A801.1846@free.polbox.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 542 Lines: 14 Tomasz Pudlo wrote: > > How to connect HDD Drive (IDE) to Sam Coupe ? send neville lots of money, thats how. :) -- ---------------------------------------------------- | | |This site is levitated by superconducting magnets.| |--------------------------------------------------| |Home arivyyrl@aqverpg.pb.hx | |Work tou3exae@vozznvy.pbz | |http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~nevilley/homepage.htm | ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Apr 27 18:17:33 1997 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 13:14:16 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970427131411_1023197861@emout02.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: FORMAT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 575 Lines: 21 In a message dated 26/04/97 13:56:28, you write: >I'm STILL waiting for the April issue. > >And Bob thinks David was bad for not sending things! > >:-P > >Stewart Oh for crist sake Stewart - being involved in Crashed you know very well you are in the hands (and at the mercy of) royal mail as soon as you post things. All UK issues went out on the same day - so kindly stop making stupid comments. And Ledbury was bad for many reason, not just failing to send out software time after time. At least I run my business honestly and in a proper business-like manner. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Apr 27 20:30:52 1997 Message-ID: <33640A98.3FB@uk.pipeline.com> Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 19:25:28 -0700 From: SamsBoss - The One And Only Organization: Sam Users Forever X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: I'm Back Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 413 Lines: 13 I don't know, I go away on a three week course and what happens? Well, nuthings by the looks ofs it. Everything back to normal. So, I'm back. But only for one week, I'm off to the States for a short rest (ok, so the boss thinks I'm going to work - hehehe). That means I've got this week off to prepare for the trip :) But then you will miss me for another couple of weeks :( Oh well, such is life. Samsboss. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 28 09:02:39 1997 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 08:55:48 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@napier.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Samboss (was: Re: the show) In-Reply-To: <970425134729_-434254298@emout05.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 606 Lines: 20 On Fri, 25 Apr 1997 BillRitman@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 25/04/97 12:26:36, you write: > > >> MT :) > >> > > > >Eh? > > It means "Me Too". I thought it meant "empty". I thought it was weird.. ;) -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From imc Mon Apr 28 10:07:04 1997 Subject: Re: Doctor, Doctor - I feel like a Z380. Or something. To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 10:07:04 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <970425170957_-599717025@emout14.mail.aol.com> from "BrenchleyR@aol.com" at Apr 25, 97 05:09:58 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 199 Lines: 8 (I am just back from Heidelberg...) On Fri, 25 Apr 1997 17:09:58 -0400 (EDT), BrenchleyR@aol.com said: > Question: Who has NOT got a mouse with their SAM? I have not got a mouse with my Sam. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 28 14:11:36 1997 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: HDD Drive References: <3362A801.1846@free.polbox.pl> <336383EC.101E@aqverpg.pb.hx> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware From: Uncle Bulgaria Date: 28 Apr 1997 13:38:53 +0100 In-Reply-To: Neville Young's message of Sun, 27 Apr 1997 17:50:52 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.46/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 477 Lines: 16 Neville Young writes: > Tomasz Pudlo wrote: > > > > How to connect HDD Drive (IDE) to Sam Coupe ? > send neville lots of money, thats how. :) > I think an address and a price and slightly more info might have been helpful! Lee. -- No matter how hard you try, you can't make a baby in in much less than 9 months. Trying to speed this up *might* make it slower, but it won't make it happen any quicker. [ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/rfc/rfc1925.txt] From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 28 14:11:37 1997 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Doctor, Doctor - I feel like a Z380. Or something. References: <970424173313_-1065682446@emout08.mail.aol.com> <199704261547.QAA18892@mail.enterprise.net> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware From: Uncle Bulgaria Date: 28 Apr 1997 13:34:08 +0100 In-Reply-To: davewhitmore@enterprise.net's message of 26 Apr 1997 16:31:27 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.46/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 879 Lines: 21 davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave Whitmore) writes: > In a message of 24 Apr 97 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote to sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no: > > Bac> Not everyone wants a mouse and as it would have added to the total > > That's true. I hardly ever bother plugging mine in. The only trouble is that > people think a machine without a mouse is odd and old fashioned these days. > I quite agree, I've spent the last two weeks setting up a new window manager so I never have to touch the mouse. Hell it took me two and a half hours the other day to realise that the mouse on my terminal didn't work, and that was only cause I wanted to use Netrape ... Mouse-less Lee -- No matter how hard you try, you can't make a baby in in much less than 9 months. Trying to speed this up *might* make it slower, but it won't make it happen any quicker. [ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/rfc/rfc1925.txt] From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 28 14:11:37 1997 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Samboss (was: Re: the show) References: <970425134630_609643048@emout11.mail.aol.com> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware From: Uncle Bulgaria Date: 28 Apr 1997 13:36:58 +0100 In-Reply-To: BillRitman@aol.com's message of Fri, 25 Apr 1997 13:46:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.46/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 809 Lines: 24 BillRitman@aol.com writes: > In a message dated 25/04/97 13:37:21, you write: > > >Bloody AOL users > >:) > > Do you mind? I am on AOL as well. > Why do people always pick on us? > Not you in particular it's just that AOL users have in the past been very abusive, and ignored netiquette left right and centre 'coz AOL made no attempt to let their users know about this sort of stuff, now they've all been tarred with the same brush. Unfair I know, but hey shit happens, besides as long as your nice and fluffy I'm sure no-one round here will hold it *seriously* against you ... Lee. -- No matter how hard you try, you can't make a baby in in much less than 9 months. Trying to speed this up *might* make it slower, but it won't make it happen any quicker. [ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/rfc/rfc1925.txt] From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 28 14:11:38 1997 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: the show References: <970425135816_-1435061966@emout06.mail.aol.com> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware From: Uncle Bulgaria Date: 28 Apr 1997 13:37:46 +0100 In-Reply-To: BillRitman@aol.com's message of Fri, 25 Apr 1997 13:58:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.46/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 448 Lines: 13 BillRitman@aol.com writes: > p.s. The list may have been quiet when I first logged on but the last few > days have really taken off. Nice (I think). That'll be all us bloody students coming back off our long, long holidays ;) -- No matter how hard you try, you can't make a baby in in much less than 9 months. Trying to speed this up *might* make it slower, but it won't make it happen any quicker. [ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/rfc/rfc1925.txt] From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 28 15:02:27 1997 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 15:42:06 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9704281342.AA16497@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Show report X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1046 Lines: 26 > And so, just to make everyone who wasn't at the show glad they weren't, here > is the first official Show Report...tada. > > Intended for FRED, it's more of a verbose story of my trip surrounding the > show, but it does mention the show at least once, so feel free to have a > read. > > You will find the offending item at : > > http://members.aol.com/gouranga/show.html Very interesting and amusing reading. I now know who and how the modern jigsaw was invented. ;) Though, I have to object strongly to the description of me being gutless. I would bet that I could eat any of you under the table - just ask Allan! Not just that particular Saturday. I take the events on the evening of Saturday the 19th to be a plot agains my apearance at the show! It succeded - but only half way. And I would bet that if I had not already been sick before the pub, I would have been so after anyway...... ;) So, Colin, will you print a retraction in Fred? Can I have a free copy? ;) -Frode PS: Who was that nice ch^H^Hlady at the Fred stand????? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 28 15:47:44 1997 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 15:40:19 +0000 Subject: Re: Doctor, Doctor - I feel like a Z380. Or something. X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <97B7710EAF@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 269 Lines: 7 > Question: Who has NOT got a mouse with their SAM? Early last year a sent a > questionairre out to a smaple of SAM users and that showed only 20% had mice. I haven't. __ |_)ave |-|ooper http://yi.com/home/HooperDave/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 28 16:37:55 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970428154805.00f70658@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 15:48:05 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: I'm Back Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1899 Lines: 55 Interesting. You are Dave Whitmore, and I claim my five pounds. Simon (c.f. Dave's recent post headers. Different posting software though - one's Netscape 3.01 for Windows 3.1, the other's Spot). \-+-/ | +-+ | | Return-Path: | Delivery-Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 20:27:40 +0100 | Received: from ursa.cns.umist.ac.uk by nessie.mcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); | Sun, 27 Apr 1997 20:27:37 +0100 | Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no by ursa.cns.umist.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); | Sun, 27 Apr 1997 20:27:31 +0100 | Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49193-17984>; | Sun, 27 Apr 1997 21:26:44 +0200 | Received: from mail.enterprise.net ([194.72.192.20]) by sabre- |-----------------> wulf.nvg.ntnu.no | with ESMTP id <49160-17984>; Sun, 27 Apr 1997 21:26:28 +0200 +----->Received: from lizard ([194.72.196.210]) by mail.enterprise.net | (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA27890 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 1997 20:27:29 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <33640A98.3FB@uk.pipeline.com> Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 19:25:28 -0700 From: SamsBoss - The One And Only Organization: Sam Users Forever X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: I'm Back Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO I don't know, I go away on a three week course and what happens? Well, nuthings by the looks ofs it. Everything back to normal. So, I'm back. But only for one week, I'm off to the States for a short rest (ok, so the boss thinks I'm going to work - hehehe). That means I've got this week off to prepare for the trip :) But then you will miss me for another couple of weeks :( Oh well, such is life. Samsboss. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 28 16:37:56 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970428154801.00f70658@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 15:48:01 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Just to clear things up Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 478 Lines: 17 At 11:02 PM 4/23/97 +0100, you wrote: >Status: > >On Wed, 23 Apr 1997 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > >> just going back less than two years - and omits all the FREE publicity given >> by the Spectrum And Sam Resource Guide (which listed over 50 names and >> addresses) so it can never be claimed that I limit exposure in FORMAT to the > >I noticed that Persona wasn't in that guide. Dunno whose fault though. Neither was Rooksoft, and we *did* send off our details... Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 28 16:37:56 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970428154803.00f70658@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 15:48:03 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: OH BUGGER Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 538 Lines: 16 At 09:01 AM 4/24/97 +0100, you wrote: >Don't know whats going on but it seems to be software related ! >I always thought you couldn't damage a chip just by running a program >through it but the following sequence of events is making think >different (or maybe I'm just getting paranoid) > >Compiled new version of HDOS >load and run on sam [snip] >Its not the interface as the last time I had nothing connected to sam. Ummm... any way that you could single-step through the code and see what's happening? Sounds very odd though. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 28 16:37:57 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970428154800.00f70658@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 15:48:00 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Just to clear things up Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 434 Lines: 14 At 06:35 PM 4/23/97 +0000, you wrote: >> > My MIDI Sequencer is by Tim Humphries (if that rings a bell with >> > anyone). Version 3. Quite good it is too. Get that instead. >> >> Think this is the version that is being talked about. > >Unh - but they're saying it's owned by some Blokey McKenzie or >something. I just got mine from Tim. I don't follow. (am i being >stupid?) Malcolm McKenzie bought the rights from Tim. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 28 16:37:58 1997 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 16:03:55 +0100 (BST) From: Dave To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Doctor, Doctor - I feel like a Z380. Or something. In-Reply-To: <97B7710EAF@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 679 Lines: 22 Neither have I - too expensive ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Fulton (D.A.Fulton@durham.ac.uk) Trevelyan College, University of Durham. http://www.dur.ac.uk/~d60m3c/index.html PGP public key available on request. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 28 Apr 1997, Dave Hooper wrote: > > Question: Who has NOT got a mouse with their SAM? Early last year a sent a > > questionairre out to a smaple of SAM users and that showed only 20% had mice. > > I haven't. > __ > |_)ave |-|ooper > http://yi.com/home/HooperDave/ > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 28 16:37:59 1997 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 16:22:36 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@peano.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Doctor, Doctor - I feel like a Z380. Or something. In-Reply-To: <97B7710EAF@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 644 Lines: 16 On Mon, 28 Apr 1997, Dave Hooper wrote: > > Question: Who has NOT got a mouse with their SAM? Early last year a sent a > > questionairre out to a smaple of SAM users and that showed only 20% had mice. > > I haven't. Nor have I, for that matter. -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 28 16:38:04 1997 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Doctor, Doctor - I feel like a Z380. Or something. References: <970425170957_-599717025@emout14.mail.aol.com> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware From: Uncle Bulgaria Date: 28 Apr 1997 15:50:42 +0100 In-Reply-To: BrenchleyR@aol.com's message of Fri, 25 Apr 1997 17:09:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.48/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 553 Lines: 17 BrenchleyR@aol.com writes: > In a message dated 25/04/97 12:14:58, you write: > > Question: Who has NOT got a mouse with their SAM? Early last year a > sent a questionairre out to a smaple of SAM users and that showed only > 20% had mice. Or maybe everyone's got 20% of a mouse each and you just mis-read up the figures ... Lee. -- No matter how hard you try, you can't make a baby in in much less than 9 months. Trying to speed this up *might* make it slower, but it won't make it happen any quicker. [ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/rfc/rfc1925.txt] From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 28 17:16:50 1997 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 11:39:04 EDT From: "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: HDD Drive Message-Id: <19970428153938Z49208-17857+190@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 770 Lines: 32 Date: 1997-04-28 15:50 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >Subject: Re: HDD Drive >From: Uncle Bulgaria >Date: 28 Apr 1997 13:38:53 +0100 > >Neville Young writes: > >> Tomasz Pudlo wrote: >> > >> > How to connect HDD Drive (IDE) to Sam Coupe ? >> send neville lots of money, thats how. :) >> > >I think an address and a price and slightly more info might have been helpful] > >Lee. Ah yes but then Tom might want to buy one and I'm only trying to save him from dealing with disreputable companies. ?) Ok I'll send him the info next time I'm at home. I presume you don't want me to use up bandwith here with that stuff. Nev. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 28 17:16:50 1997 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 16:49:07 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@peano.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: HDD Drive In-Reply-To: <19970428153938Z49208-17857+190@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 629 Lines: 14 On Mon, 28 Apr 1997, YOUNG, Neville / IT Life wrote: > Ok I'll send him the info next time I'm at home. > I presume you don't want me to use up bandwith here with that stuff. But I'm interested myself... (For when I get some money) -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 28 17:42:34 1997 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 12:35:48 EDT From: "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Show report Message-Id: <19970428163618Z49210-17857+215@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 869 Lines: 29 Date: 1997-04-28 16:49 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 15:42:06 +0200 >From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) >To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >Subject: Re: Show report > >> And so, just to make everyone who wasn't at the show glad they weren't, here >> is the first official Show Report...tada. >> >> Intended for FRED, it's more of a verbose story of my trip surrounding the >> show, but it does mention the show at least once, so feel free to have a >> read. >> >> You will find the offending item at : >> >> http://members.aol.com/gouranga/show.html > >Though, I have to object strongly to the description of me being gutless. >I would bet that I could eat any of you under the table - just ask Allan] Ok Frode, You're on. Loser pays the bill. Nev, who's on to a sure winner, Young. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 28 17:42:34 1997 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 12:36:13 EDT From: "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Doctor, Doctor - I feel like a Z380. Or something. Message-Id: <19970428163639Z49221-17857+216@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 527 Lines: 22 Date: 1997-04-28 16:49 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: "Dave Hooper" <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> >To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 15:40:19 +0000 >Subject: Re: Doctor, Doctor - I feel like a Z380. Or something. >> Question: Who has NOT got a mouse with their SAM? Early last year a sent a >> questionairre out to a smaple of SAM users and that showed only 20% had >>mice. > >I haven't. > I've got two and don't use either of them. :) Nev. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 28 17:42:35 1997 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: HDD Drive References: X-Mammoth-Status: Aware From: Uncle Bulgaria Date: 28 Apr 1997 17:28:20 +0100 In-Reply-To: Justin Skists's message of Mon, 28 Apr 1997 16:49:07 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.48/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 549 Lines: 18 Justin Skists writes: > On Mon, 28 Apr 1997, YOUNG, Neville / IT Life wrote: > > > Ok I'll send him the info next time I'm at home. > > I presume you don't want me to use up bandwith here with that stuff. > > But I'm interested myself... (For when I get some money) > Or why not email him direct ..? Lee. -- No matter how hard you try, you can't make a baby in in much less than 9 months. Trying to speed this up *might* make it slower, but it won't make it happen any quicker. [ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/rfc/rfc1925.txt] From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 28 17:53:02 1997 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Doctor, Doctor - I feel like a Z380. Or something. References: <19970428163639Z49221-17857+216@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware From: Uncle Bulgaria Date: 28 Apr 1997 17:43:30 +0100 In-Reply-To: "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life"'s message of Mon, 28 Apr 1997 12:36:13 EDT Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.48/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 886 Lines: 33 "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" writes: > Date: 1997-04-28 16:49 > Priority: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: "Dave Hooper" <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> > >To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > >Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 15:40:19 +0000 > >Subject: Re: Doctor, Doctor - I feel like a Z380. Or something. > > >> Question: Who has NOT got a mouse with their SAM? Early last year a sent > a > >> questionairre out to a smaple of SAM users and that showed only 20% had > >>mice. > > > >I haven't. > > > > I've got two and don't use either of them. :) > Would this be brain cells or mice ? ;) Lee. -- No matter how hard you try, you can't make a baby in in much less than 9 months. Trying to speed this up *might* make it slower, but it won't make it happen any quicker. [ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/rfc/rfc1925.txt] From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 28 18:44:40 1997 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 17:57:25 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@peano.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Doctor, Doctor - I feel like a Z380. Or something. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 523 Lines: 13 On 28 Apr 1997, Uncle Bulgaria wrote: > Would this be brain cells or mice ? Don't throw them cheese.. They spreads disease... -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 28 18:44:40 1997 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 17:59:24 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@peano.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: HDD Drive In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 500 Lines: 13 On 28 Apr 1997, Uncle Bulgaria wrote: > Or why not email him direct ..? And cut down on the bandwidth? -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 28 19:41:43 1997 To: "sam-users@nvg.unit.no" Date: Mon, 28 Apr 97 19:28:44 -0500 From: David Ledbury X-Mailer: E-Mail Connection v2.5.03 Message-Id: <19970428182850Z49216-17857+243@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 450 Lines: 17 -- [ From: David Ledbury * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- To everyone, The reason why David Ledbury is the one who handles Persona's Internet Access & account is purely for convenience. I have no intentions to indulge in idle gossip on the net, as my time is taken up with the running of Persona, Church work, and a large family! Besides which, even if David can't run a business, he knows enough to use the internet reasonably well. Malcolm Mackenzie From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 28 19:41:44 1997 To: "sam-users@nvg.unit.no" Date: Mon, 28 Apr 97 19:25:59 -0500 From: David Ledbury X-Mailer: E-Mail Connection v2.5.03 Message-Id: <19970428182549Z49215-17857+242@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 313 Lines: 12 -- [ From: David Ledbury * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- To Bob, Tim Humphries has been trying to speak to you, but all he gets is an answerphone. When he finally gets through to you, or you return his call, then you will be informed from Tim that I own the SAM Midi Sequencer lock, stock & barrel. Malcolm Mackenzie From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 28 22:20:52 1997 Message-ID: <336394DA.3CE0@aqverpg.pb.hx> Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 19:03:07 +0100 From: Neville Young Organization: X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sams users mail list Subject: pop goes the asic Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 860 Lines: 22 Further to my tale of woe some days ago I have made a little progress in tracking it down. unfortunatley this has used up 4 more asics. it seems to happen if i do 12 consecutive writes to the asic registers with no intervening reads. I plucking up the courage to try and tie it down more specifically. ie the order of the writes the data written etc. Do you think there would be any market for a program that blows up a sam ? -- ---------------------------------------------------- | | |This site stands on a pile of blown chips | |--------------------------------------------------| |Home arivyyrl@aqverpg.pb.hx | |Work tou3exae@vozznvy.pbz | |http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~nevilley/homepage.htm | ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 28 22:27:02 1997 Message-ID: <33651482.79B2@aqverpg.pb.hx> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 22:20:03 +0100 From: Neville Young Organization: X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Doctor, Doctor - I feel like a Z380. Or something. References: <19970428163639Z49221-17857+216@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1415 Lines: 48 Uncle Bulgaria wrote: > > "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" writes: > > > Date: 1997-04-28 16:49 > > Priority: > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > From: "Dave Hooper" <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> > > >To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > > >Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 15:40:19 +0000 > > >Subject: Re: Doctor, Doctor - I feel like a Z380. Or something. > > > > >> Question: Who has NOT got a mouse with their SAM? Early last year a sent > > a > > >> questionairre out to a smaple of SAM users and that showed only 20% had > > >>mice. > > > > > >I haven't. > > > > > > > I've got two and don't use either of them. :) > > > > Would this be brain cells or mice ? > > ;) > > Lee. Bollocks ? :) > -- > No matter how hard you try, you can't make a baby in in much less than > 9 months. Trying to speed this up *might* make it slower, but it won't > make it happen any quicker. > [ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/rfc/rfc1925.txt] -- ---------------------------------------------------- | | |This site is levitated by superconducting magnets.| |--------------------------------------------------| |Home arivyyrl@aqverpg.pb.hx | |Work tou3exae@vozznvy.pbz | |http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~nevilley/homepage.htm | ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 29 08:22:54 1997 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 09:19:10 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9704290719.AA16933@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Show report X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 365 Lines: 15 > >Though, I have to object strongly to the description of me being gutless. > >I would bet that I could eat any of you under the table - just ask Allan] > Ok Frode, You're on. Only if I can chose the dish. Clearly English 'cuisine' is out of the question..... :) > Loser pays the bill. Hmm..careful now.... > Nev, who's on to a sure winner, Young. -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 29 09:20:33 1997 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 04:08:58 EDT From: "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Show report Message-Id: <19970429080911Z49169-17857+601@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 945 Lines: 38 Date: 1997-04-29 09:07 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 09:19:10 +0200 >From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) >To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >Subject: Re: Show report > >> >Though, I have to object strongly to the description of me being gutless. >> >I would bet that I could eat any of you under the table - just ask Allan? >> Ok Frode, You're on. > >Only if I can chose the dish. Clearly English 'cuisine' is out of the >question..... :) Oh absolutely. raw squid any one? earthworm pate ? Fish eyes ? Tutti Frutti ice cream with flakes of 70% dark chocolate mixed with fresh double cream and served on a layer of brandy soaked victoria sponge with a meringue base. > >> Loser pays the bill. > >Hmm..careful now.... mortgages available from most banks and building societies. > >> Nev, who's on to a sure winner, Young. > >Frode Nev, mange-tout, Young. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 29 10:07:48 1997 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 09:50:07 +0100 (BST) From: Tim Paveley To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: pop goes the asic In-Reply-To: <336394DA.3CE0@aqverpg.pb.hx> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 571 Lines: 16 On Sun, 27 Apr 1997, Neville Young wrote: > Do you think there would be any market for a program that blows up a sam > ? Hmm, could this be the basis of a Sam virus.....? Or built into the rom as a protection system. Turn on Sam, type in password, 3 wrong guesses and it blows up on the user, stoping them using your sam..... .........................................................................@/ Unc - Tim Paveley - http://dplinux.sund.ac.uk/~unc/ Staff of the Monochrome BBS - http://www.mono.org/ Owner of a Sam Coupe - http://www.mono.org/~unc/Coupe/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 29 13:08:40 1997 From: James R Curry Organization: De Montfort University To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 12:55:06 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Just to clear things up In-reply-to: <3.0.1.32.19970428154801.00f70658@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.50) Message-ID: <253C7A72926@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 624 Lines: 19 > Neither was Rooksoft, and we *did* send off our details... > > Simon > Er, Simon.. I'm getting a serious case of Deja Vu here, I've recieved several of your recent messages twice. Once when they were first sent to this list, and then again today. -- James R Curry hc95jc@dmu.ac.uk "When Marge first told me she was going to the police academy, I thought it'd be fun and exciting, you know, like that movie, 'Spaceballs'. But instead it's been painful and disturbing like that movie 'Police Academy'." - Homer Simpson, the Simpsons. The official James R Curry web page is under construction! Stand by. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 29 14:38:55 1997 From: Gavin Smith Organization: University of Ulster To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 14:33:31 GMT Subject: .sna Speccy snapshots X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <20E3BED450A@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 398 Lines: 6 Can someone please tell me why I can't load/convert/whatever the programs in question are meant to do, .sna files? I've tried the one from Fred a few issues ago, the one from Blitz this issue, and someone (Johnna Teare I think it was) sent me one he got from somewhere too, but none of them work! What am I doing wrong?! I've tried everything - even rewriting bits of the sodding programs :) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 29 15:50:50 1997 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 14:47:37 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@fermat.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: .sna Speccy snapshots In-Reply-To: <20E3BED450A@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 976 Lines: 19 On Tue, 29 Apr 1997, Gavin Smith wrote: > Can someone please tell me why I can't load/convert/whatever the > programs in question are meant to do, .sna files? I've tried the one > from Fred a few issues ago, the one from Blitz this issue, and > someone (Johnna Teare I think it was) sent me one he got from > somewhere too, but none of them work! What am I doing wrong?! I've > tried everything - even rewriting bits of the sodding programs :) After my experience writing a .sna running program for the SAM, I should be able to help. What games are you trying to run etc? -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 29 18:30:32 1997 Message-Id: <199704291707.SAA07353@mail.enterprise.net> From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-FTN-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: I claim my fridge magnet Date: 29 Apr 1997 17:28:28 Organization: Dalmation enterprises References: <19970428182850Z49216-17857+243@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-newsreader: Spot 1.3 Unregistered X-mailer: NetGate 1.3 (Amiga; TCP/IP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 291 Lines: 14 In a message of 28 Apr 97 David Ledbury wrote to sam-users@nvg.unit.no: DL> Besides which, even if David can't run a business, he knows enough to DL> use the internet reasonably well. DL> Malcolm Mackenzie hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! :) Dave Whitmore From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 29 18:30:32 1997 Message-Id: <199704291707.SAA07377@mail.enterprise.net> From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-FTN-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Something useful to us all. Date: 29 Apr 1997 17:52:27 Organization: Dalmation enterprises References: X-newsreader: Spot 1.3 Unregistered X-mailer: NetGate 1.3 (Amiga; TCP/IP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1626 Lines: 37 In a message of 21 Apr 97 Andrew Collier wrote to sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no: Hi Andrew, [compression/archiver program] AC> Nearly done... it does everything it's supposed to, except input a AC> filename (currently uses "TEST"). I have actually used the DOS hook AC> code to save the resulting file onto Sam disk because that one does AC> work, to an extent - may God help you if there's a disk error. Great stuff. (Okay, I know this is an old message) AC> It's an idea to have the file saved to PC disk as well as Sam disk, but AC> certainly would involve quite a lot of extra work (though thanks to AC> SF's article in BOAI2 I think I can do it) so that may or may not get AC> done. I was playing around with Stefan's 'DOS grab' thing over the weekend, which was put out a while ago in relation to the mod player. That works quite well and loads 400K files nicely. I read the stuff in BOAI2 too, but I'm afraid I found it strangely only fifty/fifty understandable. It might be me (probably is), but while half of it seemed easy enough for any self respecting moron to understand, the other half required a degree of intelligence. I guess I fall somewhere in between. :) AC> Are you sure KE_Disk doesn't recognise MasterDos disks? Works fine for AC> me (I think) provided MasterDos or SamDos is saved on the disk as usual. AC> What version do you have? I use the one on FRED36. I think that's the one. I'll have another look at it later. I remember having no trouble with disks formatted with SAMDOS, but MasterDOS disks were a pain. Silly question time: I wonder if EDOS will ever happen? :) Dave Whitmore From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 29 18:30:37 1997 Message-Id: <199704291707.SAA07325@mail.enterprise.net> From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-FTN-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: I'm Back Date: 29 Apr 1997 17:56:02 Organization: Dalmation enterprises References: <3.0.1.32.19970428154805.00f70658@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-newsreader: Spot 1.3 Unregistered X-mailer: NetGate 1.3 (Amiga; TCP/IP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 774 Lines: 25 In a message of 28 Apr 97 Simon Cooke wrote to sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no: ^^^^^^^^^^>or was it? Hi whoever-this-is, SC> Interesting. You are Dave Whitmore, and I claim my five pounds. SC> Simon (c.f. Dave's recent post headers. Different posting software SC> though - SC> one's Netscape 3.01 for Windows 3.1, the other's Spot). If you check, you'll notice you made a mistake about that. I don't own a PC, and my Amiga wont run Netscape. *Netgate* is the program I use to send and receive mail and it is exported and imported out-of/into Spot. Totally stupid and trivial of me to bother with such details, but people don't seem to care around here; so why should I? :) SC> --- NetGate 1.3 ^^^^^^^^^^^ Dave Whitmore From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 29 19:25:58 1997 From: Gavin Smith Organization: University of Ulster To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 19:25:58 GMT Subject: Re: .sna Speccy snapshots X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <2131B99571F@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1064 Lines: 19 > After my experience writing a .sna running program for the SAM, I should > be able to help. What games are you trying to run etc? > > -- > ============================================================================= > |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | > |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | > |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | > ============================================================================= Well, I picked a load of .sna files at random, mostly off nvg, and none of them seem to work with the programs on Blitz and Fred. The Fred program just gives the blank screen with the white border, whilst the Blitz one seems to not work at all (Andrew? You wrote it didn't you? Is my file corrupted or something?) Okay, let's make this simpler - who loads *.sna files, and how do you do it? (I've a feeling the problems I'm having are because I used Masterdos or Qdosto format the disk with the Speccy games on it) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 29 19:46:13 1997 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 19:28:26 +0100 (BST) From: Tim Wells <93tgw@eng.cam.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: .sna Speccy snapshots In-Reply-To: <2131B99571F@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 378 Lines: 12 On Tue, 29 Apr 1997, Gavin Smith wrote: > Okay, let's make this simpler - who loads *.sna files, and how do you > do it? > (I've a feeling the problems I'm having are because I used Masterdos > or Qdosto format the disk with the Speccy games on it) I use the program off nvg to convert it to whatever, and then just load the converted file into the LERM emulator. Tim W. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 29 19:46:19 1997 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 19:32:29 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@cantor.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: .sna Speccy snapshots In-Reply-To: <2131B99571F@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1360 Lines: 28 On Tue, 29 Apr 1997, Gavin Smith wrote: > > After my experience writing a .sna running program for the SAM, I should > > be able to help. What games are you trying to run etc? > Well, I picked a load of .sna files at random, mostly off nvg, and > none of them seem to work with the programs on Blitz and Fred. The > Fred program just gives the blank screen with the white border, > whilst the Blitz one seems to not work at all (Andrew? You wrote it > didn't you? Is my file corrupted or something?) > Okay, let's make this simpler - who loads *.sna files, and how do you > do it? > (I've a feeling the problems I'm having are because I used Masterdos > or Qdosto format the disk with the Speccy games on it) Well, as far as know, most .sna runners move all the registers and flags and such to "undocumented" positions in SAMDOS (like 48K SNP's) and then you can run something in SAMDOS. I really need to upload my SNA-RUNner that I made upto nvg.... -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 29 19:46:19 1997 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 19:29:59 +0000 Subject: Re: .sna Speccy snapshots X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 514 Lines: 13 > Okay, let's make this simpler - who loads *.sna files, and how do you > do it? I use Z80-TheSpectrumEmulator for the PC. (Not a SAM) Dunno how to convert *.sna to SAMs SNAPSHOT files. (Sorry) --dave-- ADVERTISEMENT---- | Holy Cheesus! Cheese flavored potato balls snack! From the makers of Schmilk - the surprising alternative to milk! | ------------+ eat my face: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/5636/ drink my beer: http://yi.com/home/HooperDave/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 29 21:06:35 1997 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 15:59:29 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970429155926_-1869346434@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Show report Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 318 Lines: 11 In a message dated 28/04/97 20:49:31, you write: >>Though, I have to object strongly to the description of me being gutless. >>I would bet that I could eat any of you under the table - just ask Allan] >Ok Frode, You're on. >Loser pays the bill. >Nev, who's on to a sure winner, Young. I remember The Orchard. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 29 21:06:35 1997 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 16:00:25 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970429155933_-1300195711@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: pop goes the asic Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 189 Lines: 9 In a message dated 28/04/97 21:21:56, you write: >Do you think there would be any market for a program that blows up a sam >? Yes, I could make a bit selling replacement ASICs :) Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 29 21:18:30 1997 Subject: Re: I'm Back To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 21:09:19 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <199704291707.SAA07325@mail.enterprise.net> from "Dave Whitmore" at Apr 29, 97 05:56:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <19970429200945Z49171-17857+865@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 833 Lines: 22 > Hi whoever-this-is, 'Twas me, Cookie :) > SC> Interesting. You are Dave Whitmore, and I claim my five pounds. > > SC> Simon (c.f. Dave's recent post headers. Different posting software > SC> though - > SC> one's Netscape 3.01 for Windows 3.1, the other's Spot). > > If you check, you'll notice you made a mistake about that. I don't own > a PC, and my Amiga wont run Netscape. *Netgate* is the program I use to send > and receive mail and it is exported and imported out-of/into Spot. Totally > stupid and trivial of me to bother with such details, but people don't seem > to care around here; so why should I? :) I was just baiting SAMsboss... seems odd that the mailer it came through was enterprise.net and not uk.pipeline.com though... Now ... who else have you told about Enterprise, dave? :) Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 29 21:18:30 1997 Subject: Re: .sna Speccy snapshots To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 21:10:28 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <2131B99571F@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> from "Gavin Smith" at Apr 29, 97 07:25:58 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <19970429201108Z49158-17857+866@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 290 Lines: 9 > (I've a feeling the problems I'm having are because I used Masterdos > or Qdosto format the disk with the Speccy games on it) QDOS is just SAMDOS with an extension bolted on to it -- so there's no difference in the way it works to SAMDOS at all... (apart from the cute front-end) Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 29 21:40:16 1997 From: Gavin Smith Organization: University of Ulster To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 21:34:51 GMT Subject: Re: .sna Speccy snapshots X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <21541436AE6@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 387 Lines: 11 > QDOS is just SAMDOS with an extension bolted on to it -- so there's no > difference in the way it works to SAMDOS at all... > > (apart from the cute front-end) > > Si And it is very cute! Although every time I use I it, I always think of a little addition that would be handy and I always mean to tell you, but I can't for the life of me think what it is at the moment...hmm... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 29 21:40:16 1997 From: Gavin Smith Organization: University of Ulster To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 21:38:12 GMT Subject: Re: .sna Speccy snapshots X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <2155006776C@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 440 Lines: 13 > > Okay, let's make this simpler - who loads *.sna files, and how do you > > do it? > > (I've a feeling the problems I'm having are because I used Masterdos > > or Qdosto format the disk with the Speccy games on it) > > I use the program off nvg to convert it to whatever, and then just load > the converted file into the LERM emulator. > > Tim W. I've tried that, and that doesn't work *sobs* I bet its something really simple... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 29 21:40:35 1997 From: Gavin Smith Organization: University of Ulster To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 21:39:37 GMT Subject: Re: .sna Speccy snapshots X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <21555756508@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 516 Lines: 12 > Well, as far as know, most .sna runners move all the registers and flags > and such to "undocumented" positions in SAMDOS (like 48K SNP's) and then you > can run something in SAMDOS. > > I really need to upload my SNA-RUNner that I made upto nvg.... > > -- > ============================================================================= > |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | Yes please! Do do! Erm, though don't use the compressor of Satan, Teledisk pleeeeeeease... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 29 21:40:35 1997 From: Gavin Smith Organization: University of Ulster To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 21:43:12 GMT Subject: Re: .sna Speccy snapshots X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <21565245A33@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 389 Lines: 10 > > Okay, let's make this simpler - who loads *.sna files, and how do you > > do it? > > I use Z80-TheSpectrumEmulator for the PC. (Not a SAM) > Dunno how to convert *.sna to SAMs SNAPSHOT files. (Sorry) > --dave-- Yep I use that on my PC too (only bit of shareware I've ever registered). I still don't think its the same as playing it on the good old Speccy. Doesn't feel right... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 29 21:57:19 1997 Message-ID: <3366C189.7535@uk.pipeline.com> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 20:50:33 -0700 From: SamsBoss - The One And Only Organization: Sam Users Forever X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: I'm Back... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 554 Lines: 22 In a message dated 28/04/97 15:38:38, Simon Cooke made the mistake of saying:: >Interesting. You are Dave Whitmore, and I claim my five pounds. > >Simon (c.f. Dave's recent post headers. Different posting software >though - one's Netscape 3.01 for Windows 3.1, the >other's Spot). \-+-/ > | >+-+ Ho Ho Ho! Gorra do better than that Mr Cooke. No, serious friends - Samsboss is not (insert name here) so forget it. I'm me, mad maybe, but me. Samsboss - The One And Only. Think of me when I'm state-side won't you folks :) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 29 22:40:50 1997 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 22:33:40 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@indigo.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: I'm Back... In-Reply-To: <3366C189.7535@uk.pipeline.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 758 Lines: 21 On Tue, 29 Apr 1997, SamsBoss - The One And Only wrote: > Samsboss - The One And Only. > Think of me when I'm state-side won't you folks :) Yes, we'll be thinking: "Lucky b******; I wonder if he'll bump into Colin MacDonald while he's over there" Andrew +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Second Law Of Thermodynamics: | Andrew Collier, 1A NatSci | | If you think things are in a | email asc25@hermes.cam.ac.uk | | mess now, just you wait.... | Selwyn College, Cambridge | +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | See Gloucester show photos at http://brain.sel.cam.ac.uk/~asc25 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 29 23:13:57 1997 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 23:09:32 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@navy.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: .sna Speccy snapshots In-Reply-To: <2131B99571F@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2806 Lines: 61 On Tue, 29 Apr 1997, Gavin Smith wrote: > Well, I picked a load of .sna files at random, mostly off nvg, and > none of them seem to work with the programs on Blitz and Fred. The > Fred program just gives the blank screen with the white border, > whilst the Blitz one seems to not work at all (Andrew? You wrote it > didn't you? Is my file corrupted or something?) What, er, did I? The program you're probably referring to only loads snapshot files, which are not the same as the .sna files you will have downloaded. The standard spectrum emulator, as supplied on the system disk which came with my Sam, saves files in its own special filetype: 48K SNP. The other program is the same, but with a proper Spectrum rom (+ hacks) to improve compatibility. You could use said program to start up a virtual spectrum, load a game from tape and then save it (by pressing the NMI break button, then pressing 4). It is then easy to load the game back in again. Much of the infomation about the state of the "spectrum" when the snapshot was made, is stored not in the file but in the directory entry in a few spare bytes. This sort of thing wouldn't work on the PC, so other emulators use a slightly different type, .sna, which can be stored on SAM or PC disk as a normal code file, since necessary infomation is stored in the file itself. Note that SamDos can't COPY snapshot files. The manual said it was protection against piracy. MasterDos can copy them, and perhaps it needed a small extra section of code to duplicate these directory bytes correctly. "That's not a bug, that's a feature!" > Okay, let's make this simpler - who loads *.sna files, and how do you > do it? I think Ian wrote a program like this, which converted a .sna file into a genuine snapshot file. It may not have been a Sam program - I think it worked on his Unix system and saved the snapshot file directly to Sam disk. > (I've a feeling the problems I'm having are because I used Masterdos > or Qdosto format the disk with the Speccy games on it) Naah, the only difference that's likely to make would be in the track skewing which, contrary to what Colin Anderton said in one of the Freditorials - soon after RGB demo completely failed to run, doesn't actually alter the contents of the sectors' data fields. Andrew +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Second Law Of Thermodynamics: | Andrew Collier, 1A NatSci | | If you think things are in a | email asc25@hermes.cam.ac.uk | | mess now, just you wait.... | Selwyn College, Cambridge | +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | See Gloucester show photos at http://brain.sel.cam.ac.uk/~asc25 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From imc Wed Apr 30 09:56:06 1997 Subject: Re: pop goes the asic To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 09:56:06 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <970429155933_-1300195711@emout12.mail.aol.com> from "BrenchleyR@aol.com" at Apr 29, 97 04:00:25 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 158 Lines: 7 >Do you think there would be any market for a program that blows up a sam >? I bet Chris Pile could make good use of it... (/me gets a slap. Bad boy!) imc From imc Wed Apr 30 10:22:13 1997 Subject: Re: .sna Speccy snapshots To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 10:22:13 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <2131B99571F@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> from "Gavin Smith" at Apr 29, 97 07:25:58 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 648 Lines: 15 On Tue, 29 Apr 1997 19:25:58 GMT, Gavin Smith said: > Okay, let's make this simpler - who loads *.sna files, and how do you > do it? Personally, I write them directly on to a Sam format disk on my SunOS workstation using samtools. This should also work on Linux. (The procedure is to use "samsnap" to rearrange the registers into the right order and then "samwrite -snap" to put it on disk.) If you are very stuck then you should be able to use samtools to create a disk image file with your snapshots in it (this ought to work on more or less any Unix machine) and then use something or other to write the disk image on to a Sam disk. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 30 11:28:55 1997 From: Gavin Smith Organization: University of Ulster To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 09:40:36 GMT Subject: Re: .sna Speccy snapshots X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <2215A77706A@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1887 Lines: 38 > The program you're probably referring to only loads snapshot files, which > are not the same as the .sna files you will have downloaded. Umm. The program on Blitz, asks for a *.sna file, you enter a name, and then (if you take out an IF statement which stops the program - that's why I was wondering if my disk was corrupt), and saves a new file on the disk, but now with the .snp extension. (Erm, and then it crashes again). I've tried loading the SNP files in the emulator on the DOS disk, on SAMTape and on the emulator on Fred (which asks for pure *.sna files, but won't load them). I think I'll give up. Again. > > Okay, let's make this simpler - who loads *.sna files, and how do you > > do it? > > I think Ian wrote a program like this, which converted a .sna file into a > genuine snapshot file. It may not have been a Sam program - I think it > worked on his Unix system and saved the snapshot file directly to Sam > disk. Ian! Can you send it to me please as an attachment? (And if you tell me its on NVG and compressed with Teledisk, I'll cry). >> (I've a feeling the problems I'm having are because I used Masterdos >> or Qdosto format the disk with the Speccy games on it) > Naah, the only difference that's likely to make would be in the track > skewing which, contrary to what Colin Anderton said in one of the > Freditorials - soon after RGB demo completely failed to run, doesn't > actually alter the contents of the sectors' data fields. The reason I suggested the above was cos one of the programs can't even "see" the *.sna files on a disk with no DOS on it - another of them can only see them when Masterdos is on the disk. Thanks for your help anyway Andrew, much appreciated. Gavin (who's in a good mood cos he handed in a Databases assignment yesterday - only 3 Prolog, 2 Modula-2, and 3 Systems Analysis assignments to catch up on then) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 30 11:28:56 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970430094055.00f6f280@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 09:40:55 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: .sna Speccy snapshots In-Reply-To: References: <2131B99571F@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 616 Lines: 15 At 11:09 PM 4/29/97 +0100, you wrote: >Naah, the only difference that's likely to make would be in the track >skewing which, contrary to what Colin Anderton said in one of the >Freditorials - soon after RGB demo completely failed to run, doesn't >actually alter the contents of the sectors' data fields. Speaking of which, can someone upload the RGB demo to NVG, because Ando wanted me to write a fixer patch. Needless to say, it never arrived in the post. Therefore, SOMEONE put it up so I can do it! (BTW: Colin McD -- would FRED send disks over the Atlantic for me if I'm using my SAM over in the states?) Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 30 11:28:58 1997 Message-Id: <199704300933.LAA07069@dxmint.cern.ch> X-Authentication-Warning: dxmint.cern.ch: Host hpopl1.cern.ch [137.138.243.47] claimed to be hpopb1.cern.ch From: Allan Skillman Subject: Re: .sna Speccy snapshots To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 30 Apr 97 11:33:09 METDST In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970430094055.00f6f280@nessie.mcc.ac.uk>; from "Simon Cooke" at Apr 30, 97 9:40 am Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1460 Lines: 30 Hello All, If the program on nvg your are referring to is /pub/sam-coupe/utils/disk/snapldr.zip Then this a a program I wrote quite a while back. Its actually a basic procedure which converts an .sna file to a +D/Sam type snap file. The difference between the two is that a Sam snap actually stores some of the registers in the stack, whereas a .sna file uses a header to store the registers. Also a Snap file (on a Sam disk) does not contain the usual Sam/MasterDos file header - the snap data is stored from the start of the file. Ian's program (or rather a suite of programs) called samtools can also do this conversion, but was designed for UNIX. It can also do much more though, including reading and writing files from UNIX to/from Sam disk or disk images. Allan +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Now available! SimCoupe, the one and only SAM Coupe emulator | | *** http://www.hep.ucl.ac.uk/~ajs/simcoupe/simcoupe_distr.html *** | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ | Allan Skillman | "There are five flavours of resons, the | | HEPP Group | elementary particles of magic : up, down, | | University College London | sideways, sex-appeal and peppermint." | | Email : ajs@hep.ucl.ac.uk | - Terry Pratchett (Lords and Ladies) | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ From imc Wed Apr 30 11:33:19 1997 Subject: Re: New Project from the Cookie Monster ;) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 11:33:19 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Justin Skists" at Apr 21, 97 09:53:31 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 919 Lines: 36 On Mon, 21 Apr 1997 09:53:31 +0100 (BST), Justin Skists said: > But it would be nice to have a variety of comments like: > // comment style two > ; comment 3 > {comment 4} > (* comment 5 *) > /* comment 6 */ > ....and be able to use any of them.. :) You missed out -- 7 this :REM 8 and this :-) but I think that's overkill. (Aside: would /* // */ or {{/*}*/} be valid comments?) For irrational reasons I dislike numbers 2, 4 and 5 (and 8 is silly) so would not particularly like to see those implemented. The only ones you need are 3 and 6 (and 3 isn't strictly necessary, especially if anything in the right hand column is automatically a comment). The PC assembler has two kinds of comment - style 3 and a comment block which is introduced like this: comment ! Anything until the next exclamation mark is a comment. ! imc PS C Comment style 9 * Comment style 10 (from the mainframe assembler). From imc Wed Apr 30 11:55:25 1997 Subject: Re: New Project from the Cookie Monster ;) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 11:55:25 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <19970421094738Z49165-27987+3818@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> from "YOUNG Neville, IT Life" at Apr 21, 97 05:47:21 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 2906 Lines: 50 On Mon, 21 Apr 1997 05:47:21 EDT, YOUNG Neville, IT Life said: > Ycomments comment? [ ] guess who wrote that on an IBM mainframe... > I'm not sure if this wus mentioned but it would be nice if the linker could > sort out long and short jumps and break the code (eh?) into predetermined > sided chunks, 16K maybe. Then calls can be direct within the same 16K but > will be via some paging routine if more than 16K away. Almost impossible but > could macros/procedures be built in to handle accessing data so we don't > have to worry when writing the code if the data is in the same page or not. > I think that would be hard but writing code would be sooooo much simpler. The assembler should probably allow you to define segments. Each segment can contain instructions, data or both, but the assembler will limit each to 16K (or alternatively, you give each segment a page number, a starting address and an optional maximum length and the assembler complains if the maximum length was exceeded or if the code ran past the end of the 16K page). Other than that it would not attempt to split your code up or do paging, but some special treatment could be added for references to things which lie in another segment. Or you could just supply macros to do it (such as JPFAR or CALLFAR) and make the assembler refuse to do ordinary calls to things which lie in another segment [but the method of making a far call might vary from program to program - it depends which section your program is in and whether you want to keep everything in that section or temporarily page the called routine into another section; where to put the machine stack might be another problem. Perhaps the standard method would be to have two sections devoted to "program" and two to "data", and a far call would temporarily put the called routine in the "data" section and call a stub routine there which pages itself into the "program" section, calls the routine and then puts itself back into the "data" section before returning. This might entail declaring the routine as a "far" routine and insisting that it is always called by the far method, never by the ordinary method. I still don't know what happens to the machine stack]. You probably want an option to disable this if you are just writing a 48K or 64K program which stays paged in all the time. > Finally could it support different memory models? suggestions are > tiny - everything in < 32K > small - data & heap in same 32K, code & stack in another 32K > large - data & heap in same 32K, code & stack in many pages > huge - data in many pages, heap in many pages, > code in may pages, stack in many pages > Others maybe. Possibly, but this applies to C more than it does to assembly language. You can easily decide where the stack, data, heap etc. go in assembly whereas you can't in C. Just having segments may be enough. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 30 12:53:20 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <24487.199704301036@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: pop goes the asic To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 11:36:13 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <9704300856.AA08996@gruffle.comlab.ox.ac.uk> from "Ian Collier" at Apr 30, 97 09:56:06 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 128 Lines: 10 > I bet Chris Pile could make good use of it... When does he get out, anyone know? > (/me gets a slap. Bad boy!) LOL Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 30 12:53:20 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <24787.199704301039@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: .sna Speccy snapshots To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 11:39:44 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <21555756508@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> from "Gavin Smith" at Apr 29, 97 09:39:37 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 140 Lines: 6 > Yes please! Do do! Erm, though don't use the compressor of Satan, > Teledisk pleeeeeeease... You have something against Teledisk? Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 30 12:53:20 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <25256.199704301044@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Something useful to us all. To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 11:43:59 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <199704291707.SAA07377@mail.enterprise.net> from "Dave Whitmore" at Apr 29, 97 05:52:27 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 431 Lines: 13 > is), but while half of it seemed easy enough for any self respecting moron > to understand, the other half required a degree of intelligence. I guess I It's the 12 bit entries that confuse me - any code I start to write soon ends up looking like spaghetti! > a pain. Silly question time: I wonder if EDOS will ever happen? :) I would have to say probably not, ATM! Sorry Cookie, but you never seem to have any time... Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 30 12:53:28 1997 From: Gavin Smith Organization: University of Ulster To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 11:58:17 GMT Subject: Re: .sna Speccy snapshots X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <223A5BC3FD1@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 397 Lines: 10 > > Yes please! Do do! Erm, though don't use the compressor of Satan, > > Teledisk pleeeeeeease... > > You have something against Teledisk? Apart from the fact that every time I try and use it, it either corrupts my disk, doesn't recognise a floppy drive at all, laughs at me, crashes my computer and doesn't seem necessary anyway, when pkzip could do the job fine, then nope, I love it :) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 30 12:53:30 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 12:16:01 +0100 (BST) From: Tim Wells <93tgw@eng.cam.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: .sna Speccy snapshots In-Reply-To: <2215A77706A@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1222 Lines: 29 On Wed, 30 Apr 1997, Gavin Smith wrote: > Umm. The program on Blitz, asks for a *.sna file, you enter a name, > and then (if you take out an IF statement which stops the program - > that's why I was wondering if my disk was corrupt), and saves a new > file on the disk, but now with the .snp extension. (Erm, and then it > crashes again). I've tried loading the SNP files in the emulator on > the DOS disk, on SAMTape and on the emulator on Fred (which asks for > pure *.sna files, but won't load them). I think I'll give up. Again. OK, In a little more detail: I download things via a PC here, unzip snaps, and use KEDisk to get them onto SAM Disk. (In general I use MDos + MBasic). The program from nvg then converts the *.sna to *.snp files for me. (I think it must be Allan's snapldr program, although for some reason I thought it was called Convert.PAK) I then load into SAMTape via the F6(might be 7) Disciple/+D snap option. This only appeared about SAMTape 4. The normal SAMTape load won't touch anything but SamTape created files. I habitually format all disks under MD+MBas, and have MasterDos on my SAMTape disc. (It doesn't like MasterBasic). Hope you find a solution out there somewhere. Tim W. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 30 12:53:30 1997 From: Gavin Smith Organization: University of Ulster To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 12:43:03 GMT Subject: Re: .sna Speccy snapshots X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <22464E033C3@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1488 Lines: 36 > OK, In a little more detail: > I download things via a PC here, unzip snaps, and use KEDisk to get them > onto SAM Disk. (In general I use MDos + MBasic). The same apart with me, apart from Masterbasic which I don't use... > The program from nvg then converts the *.sna to *.snp files for me. > (I think it must be Allan's snapldr program, although for some reason I > thought it was called Convert.PAK) Yep it is, when you unzip snapldr.zip (although why it's PAK'd is beyond me as the file is so small anyway). Anyway, I get the *.snp files the same way... > I then load into SAMTape via the F6(might be 7) Disciple/+D snap option. > This only appeared about SAMTape 4. The normal SAMTape load won't touch > anything but SamTape created files. I have SAM Tape 4 and it just laughs at me when I try and load the *.snp files. *sobs* > I habitually format all disks under MD+MBas, and have MasterDos on my > SAMTape disc. (It doesn't like MasterBasic). Me too, apart from the MBasic bit... > Hope you find a solution out there somewhere. > Tim W. Thanks for your help Tim - the only differences between the way you load *.snp files and the way I do it, is MasterBasic - unless the Allan's program needs MBasic, I can't think why this would affect things...(I never did get round to buying MBasic, and I'm certainly not sending any more money to Format, until I get either an explanation and an apology for stuff I ordered nearly 5 months ago or the goods themselves) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 30 15:58:33 1997 From: Stephen Harding Message-Id: <199704301354.NAA24510@BITS.bris.ac.uk> Subject: Re: .sna Speccy snapshots To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no (sam users) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 13:54:16 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1474 Lines: 49 > Hello All, > > If the program on nvg your are referring to is > > /pub/sam-coupe/utils/disk/snapldr.zip > > Then this a a program I wrote quite a while back. Its actually a basic > procedure which converts an .sna file to a +D/Sam type snap file. Just a quick note, If I remember rightly I think you will find that this program was written with just MasterDOS in mind. If you want to run it under SAM DOS you will need to slightly change a line, you cannot miss the one I mean. Permission to write an 'idiot guide' of the whole converting proccess I use? 1) Get a speccy snapshot from a dodgy source. 2) If it has a .zip extension, use PKUNZIP.EXE on a PC to decompress it (or equivilant on another machine). 3) If the resulting file does not end with a .sna extension, use SPCONV.EXE on the PC to convert it to a .sna file. 4) Format a blank 720K PC disc and stick the snap(s) on it. 5) Use KEDISK on the SAM to copy the file to a SAM disc. 6) Use a SAM based .sna -> .snp converter on the file. 7) Load and run the .snp program on a Speccy emulator for the SAM. BE WARNED: Some of the original files you down load will simply be corrupt to start with. Some of the files will have types that cannot easily be convered into .sna files. None of the SAM based .sna -> .snp converters are perfect, and not as reliable as using the emulator Z80 on the PC. Some programs will simply not be able to run on a SAM Speccy emulator. C9. Numbly. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 30 15:58:34 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 13:35:23 +0100 (BST) From: Tim Wells <93tgw@eng.cam.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: .sna Speccy snapshots In-Reply-To: <22464E033C3@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 564 Lines: 14 > Thanks for your help Tim - the only differences between the way you > load *.snp files and the way I do it, is MasterBasic - unless the > Allan's program needs MBasic, I can't think why this would affect > things...(I never did get round to buying MBasic, and I'm certainly I've no idea if Mbasic affects it or not - I can't see why it should either. As an aside, I dislike the loader for .SNP files on SAMtape - It goes so slowly, and I keep forgetting that it wants a number, rather than the filename. Why it shouldn't work though is beyond me. Tim W. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 30 15:58:34 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 13:37:42 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@puce.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: .sna Speccy snapshots In-Reply-To: <2215A77706A@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1034 Lines: 25 On Wed, 30 Apr 1997, Gavin Smith wrote: > > The program you're probably referring to only loads snapshot files, which > > are not the same as the .sna files you will have downloaded. > > Umm. The program on Blitz, asks for a *.sna file, you enter a name, > that's why I was wondering if my disk was corrupt), and saves a new > file on the disk, but now with the .snp extension. (Erm, and then it Ah, different program. I didn't write that. Were you talking to Andrew Chandler all along? (asc's ego takes a bashing) :( Andrew +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Second Law Of Thermodynamics: | Andrew Collier, 1A NatSci | | If you think things are in a | email asc25@hermes.cam.ac.uk | | mess now, just you wait.... | Selwyn College, Cambridge | +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | See Gloucester show photos at http://brain.sel.cam.ac.uk/~asc25 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 30 15:58:34 1997 From: Stephen Harding Message-Id: <199704301401.OAA24741@BITS.bris.ac.uk> Subject: Re: TeleDisk Tips. To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no (sam users) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 14:01:31 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 735 Lines: 24 >> You have something against Teledisk? > > Apart from the fact that every time I try and use it, it either > corrupts my disk, doesn't recognise a floppy drive at all, laughs at > me, crashes my computer and doesn't seem necessary anyway, when pkzip > could do the job fine, then nope, I love it :) > This may just be a local 'feature' but... When I try and use Teledisk under MS_DOS It virtually ALWAYS crashes. I once decided to try it in a MS_DOS window under Windoze 3.1, and found it worked perfectly! In actual fact, It has always worked within the first 3 attempts at using it under windoze. -Give it a try! Numbly. (But there again, Speccy games DID load more reliably from tape when I stood in the cupboard!) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 30 15:58:34 1997 From: James R Curry Organization: De Montfort University To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 14:45:58 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: .sna Speccy snapshots In-reply-to: <21565245A33@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.50) Message-ID: <26DA19C3E35@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 670 Lines: 18 > Yep I use that on my PC too (only bit of shareware I've ever > registered). I still don't think its the same as playing it on the > good old Speccy. Doesn't feel right... This is SOOO true. It loses something, I just don't know what.. Running Speccy Games on the SAM seems a bit better though. -- James R Curry hc95jc@dmu.ac.uk "When Marge first told me she was going to the police academy, I thought it'd be fun and exciting, you know, like that movie, 'Spaceballs'. But instead it's been painful and disturbing like that movie 'Police Academy'." - Homer Simpson, the Simpsons. The official James R Curry web page is under construction! Stand by. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 30 15:58:34 1997 From: James R Curry Organization: De Montfort University To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 15:09:06 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: E-Tracker X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.50) Message-ID: <26E04061482@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 677 Lines: 19 It's something that I always forget, and lose the piece of paper on which I've written it down - When a compiled E-Tracker tune is playing, at which bytes is the volume data for use in Volume Bars stored? I've got it written down somewhere.. I just don't know where. Thanks to whoever answers in advance, -- James R Curry hc95jc@dmu.ac.uk "When Marge first told me she was going to the police academy, I thought it'd be fun and exciting, you know, like that movie, 'Spaceballs'. But instead it's been painful and disturbing like that movie 'Police Academy'." - Homer Simpson, the Simpsons. The official James R Curry web page is under construction! Stand by. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 30 15:58:34 1997 Message-Id: <199704301339.PAA12534@dxmint.cern.ch> X-Authentication-Warning: dxmint.cern.ch: Host hpopl1.cern.ch [137.138.243.47] claimed to be hpopb1.cern.ch From: Allan Skillman Subject: SimCoupe 0.6 released To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 30 Apr 97 15:38:36 METDST Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 951 Lines: 19 Hello All, The latest version of SimCoupe has now been released. For now I have only put together a source distribution. When I have some time (and after most of the bugs have been spotted :) I'll update the boot/root version Check out the Web page below! Allan +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Now available! SimCoupe, the one and only SAM Coupe emulator | | ******* http://www.hep.ucl.ac.uk/~ajs/simcoupe ******* | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ | Allan Skillman | "There are five flavours of resons, the | | HEPP Group | elementary particles of magic : up, down, | | University College London | sideways, sex-appeal and peppermint." | | Email : ajs@hep.ucl.ac.uk | - Terry Pratchett (Lords and Ladies) | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 30 15:58:35 1997 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 15:14:57 +0000 Subject: Re: New Project from the Cookie Monster ;) X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1084 Lines: 41 > > // comment style two C++ I love this. > > ; comment 3 Pratically any assembler. I love this also. > > (* comment 5 *) ML, among other things. A particular favourite of mine. > > /* comment 6 */ C, Prolog, whatever. Not my favourite but it works. > For irrational reasons I dislike numbers 2, 4 and 5 (and 8 is > silly) so would not particularly like to see those implemented. The only > ones you need are 3 and 6 (and 3 isn't strictly necessary, especially if > anything in the right hand column is automatically a comment). NOOOO! Can't get rid of 2 or 5!! THEY'RE THE BEST! Oh - and define 'right hand column' - do you mean leave a TAB after the mnemonics.. ? otherwise some undocumented instructions may be confused with a normal instruction and the left hand half of a comment. (I described that very badly but I know what I mean) > comment ! > Anything until the next exclamation mark is a comment. > ! Silly. (I reckon) > C Comment style 9 Fortran. Hate it. (irrationally). ;) --dave-- I like Em, G5, Dsus2. I hate F7 and PageDown no-brain@mindless.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 30 15:58:36 1997 From: Gavin Smith Organization: University of Ulster To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 14:25:33 GMT Subject: Re: .sna Speccy snapshots X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <22619BC2675@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 292 Lines: 12 > Ah, different program. I didn't write that. > > Were you talking to Andrew Chandler all along? (asc's ego takes a bashing) > :( > > > Andrew Hehe sorry! I couldn't remember which Andrew it was, so I just hoped the appropriate one would own up! (/me carresses Andrew's ego...*grins*) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 30 17:05:17 1997 From: Johnna Teare Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 16:17:34 GMT+0 Subject: Re: the show X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <381D4D2EA5@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 634 Lines: 20 > BillRitman@aol.com writes: > > > p.s. The list may have been quiet when I first logged on but the last few > > days have really taken off. Nice (I think). > > That'll be all us bloody students coming back off our long, long > holidays ;) To even longer holidays at uni ;) > > -- > No matter how hard you try, you can't make a baby in in much less than > 9 months. Trying to speed this up *might* make it slower, but it won't > make it happen any quicker. > [ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/rfc/rfc1925.txt] > Johnna Pig Teare (JohnnaPig@deathsdoor.com) JohnnaPig OnLine (www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna) "They call me Mad The Swine." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 30 17:05:17 1997 From: Johnna Teare Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 16:29:13 GMT+0 Subject: Re: I'm Back X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <385CCB4A97@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1139 Lines: 32 > > Hi whoever-this-is, > > 'Twas me, Cookie :) > > > SC> Interesting. You are Dave Whitmore, and I claim my five pounds. > > > > SC> Simon (c.f. Dave's recent post headers. Different posting software > > SC> though - > > SC> one's Netscape 3.01 for Windows 3.1, the other's Spot). > > > > If you check, you'll notice you made a mistake about that. I don't own > > a PC, and my Amiga wont run Netscape. *Netgate* is the program I use to send > > and receive mail and it is exported and imported out-of/into Spot. Totally > > stupid and trivial of me to bother with such details, but people don't seem > > to care around here; so why should I? :) > > I was just baiting SAMsboss... seems odd that the mailer it came through > was enterprise.net and not uk.pipeline.com though... > > Now ... who else have you told about Enterprise, dave? :) Nearly got a job with Enterprise...being on the Isle of Man and all that... But I'm hardly likely to be Samsboss am I? I mean, agreeing with Brenchley and all that just isn't my style...! :) > > Simon > Johnna Pig Teare "We're not on first name terms yet honey...!" From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 30 17:05:17 1997 From: Johnna Teare Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 16:29:47 GMT+0 Subject: Re: .sna Speccy snapshots X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <385D832C49@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 519 Lines: 17 > > (I've a feeling the problems I'm having are because I used Masterdos > > or Qdosto format the disk with the Speccy games on it) > > QDOS is just SAMDOS with an extension bolted on to it -- so there's no > difference in the way it works to SAMDOS at all... > > (apart from the cute front-end) Never got it to work on my SAM. kept getting 19 Loading Error messages. Any reason? > > Si > Johnna Pig Teare (JohnnaPig@deathsdoor.com) JohnnaPig OnLine (www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna) "They call me Mad The Swine." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 30 17:05:21 1997 Subject: Re: .sna Speccy snapshots To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 16:44:11 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <385D832C49@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> from "Johnna Teare" at Apr 30, 97 04:29:47 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <19970430154641Z49331-17857+1260@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 464 Lines: 15 > > > > (I've a feeling the problems I'm having are because I used Masterdos > > > or Qdosto format the disk with the Speccy games on it) > > > > QDOS is just SAMDOS with an extension bolted on to it -- so there's no > > difference in the way it works to SAMDOS at all... > > > > (apart from the cute front-end) > > Never got it to work on my SAM. kept getting 19 Loading Error > messages. Any reason? Ummmmmmmm... which version of ROM do you have? Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 30 17:05:22 1997 Message-Id: <199704301553.QAA23802@mail.enterprise.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: samsboss@mail.enterprise.net To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 15:51:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: HDD Drive X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 371 Lines: 16 In a message dated 28/04/97 21:35:25, you write: >To: > >On Mon, 28 Apr 1997, YOUNG, Neville / IT Life wrote: > >> Ok I'll send him the info next time I'm at home. >> I presume you don't want me to use up bandwith here with that >> stuff. > >But I'm interested myself... (For when I get some money) > Does nobods on this list bother to read Nev's adverts? Samsboss. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 30 17:05:23 1997 Message-Id: <199704301553.QAA23807@mail.enterprise.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: samsboss@mail.enterprise.net To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 15:51:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: The long running DL debate X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 662 Lines: 23 In a message dated 29/04/97 05:55:14, you write: >To Bob, > >Tim Humphries has been trying to speak to you, but all he gets >is an answerphone. When he finally gets through to you, or you >return his call, then you will be informed from Tim that I own the >SAM Midi Sequencer lock, stock & barrel. > >Malcolm Mackenzie > > Notice that it is: persona@hands-on.ltd.uk (David Ledbury) Strange how he claims to have nothing to do with Persona but it is always him that writes. Could it be that Bob is right to smell a rat? endyway. Me thinks dis has taken up too much space so I think Ledbury and co should deal with this off-line with Bob direct. Samsboss. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 30 17:29:03 1997 From: Johnna Teare Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 17:10:42 GMT+0 Subject: Re: .sna Speccy snapshots X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <3908421B8C@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 844 Lines: 26 > > > > > > (I've a feeling the problems I'm having are because I used Masterdos > > > > or Qdosto format the disk with the Speccy games on it) > > > > > > QDOS is just SAMDOS with an extension bolted on to it -- so there's no > > > difference in the way it works to SAMDOS at all... > > > > > > (apart from the cute front-end) > > > > Never got it to work on my SAM. kept getting 19 Loading Error > > messages. Any reason? > > Ummmmmmmm... which version of ROM do you have? 3.0 I think. Everything else works fine (although the bizzarre DOS on one of those AJ Demo Sample disks reported the same error also - think you wrote that too altough I can't remember) PRINT PEEK 15 returns 30 anyway... > > Simon > Johnna Pig Teare (JohnnaPig@deathsdoor.com) JohnnaPig OnLine (www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna) "They call me Mad The Swine." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 30 17:47:24 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <27867.199704301641@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: .sna Speccy snapshots To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 17:40:56 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <223A5BC3FD1@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> from "Gavin Smith" at Apr 30, 97 11:58:17 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 635 Lines: 16 > > You have something against Teledisk? > Apart from the fact that every time I try and use it, it either > corrupts my disk, doesn't recognise a floppy drive at all, laughs at These are very strange... do you have an odd floppy drive or something? I've not had any problems with mine, and that's very mix'n'match. > me, crashes my computer and doesn't seem necessary anyway, when pkzip > could do the job fine, then nope, I love it :) Ah, but PKZip can't cope with odd-sectored disks, and doesn't copy anything that it doesn't recognise (IYSWIM), whereas Teledisk will basically copy almost anything you throw at it. :) Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 30 19:52:00 1997 Message-Id: <199704301846.TAA21933@mail.enterprise.net> From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-FTN-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: .sna Speccy snapshots Date: 30 Apr 1997 19:30:36 Organization: Dalmation enterprises References: <19970429201108Z49158-17857+866@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-newsreader: Spot 1.3 Unregistered X-mailer: NetGate 1.3 (Amiga; TCP/IP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 471 Lines: 16 In a message of 29 Apr 97 Simon Cooke wrote to sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no: Hi Simon, SC> QDOS is just SAMDOS with an extension bolted on to it -- so there's no SC> difference in the way it works to SAMDOS at all... SC> (apart from the cute front-end) You modest Samsboss impersonator you. It's a lot better than SAMDOS, coz it cleans the vectors and allows you to load it over MasterDOS/Basic, doesn't it? Or am I thinking about a different version? Dave Whitmore From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 30 19:52:10 1997 Message-Id: <199704301846.UAA15301@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: Sam users Subject: Newsservers - just checking Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 20:46:40 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 470 Lines: 10 Has anyone problems with their newsservers, I mean nothing is comming through at the moment on all the newsgroups (binaries and non-binaries). It started yesterday and since then nothing got through at all. And it is not an local error or something like that, I even got mail from America asking me what is going on. Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] [http://www.caiw.nl/~rjvveeke/hentai2.htm] Hentai Oranda -- may the bandwidth be with you -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 30 21:06:35 1997 Subject: Re: .sna Speccy snapshots To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 21:03:42 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <199704301846.TAA21933@mail.enterprise.net> from "Dave Whitmore" at Apr 30, 97 07:30:36 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <19970430200359Z49277-17857+1312@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 794 Lines: 22 > Hi Simon, > > > SC> QDOS is just SAMDOS with an extension bolted on to it -- so there's no SC> difference in the way it works to SAMDOS at all... > > SC> (apart from the cute front-end) > > You modest Samsboss impersonator you. It's a lot better than SAMDOS, coz it > cleans the vectors and allows you to load it over MasterDOS/Basic, doesn't > it? Or am I thinking about a different version? Oh yeah... and it resets the font back to normal :) I forgot about all that :) (it's in the docs anyway) but at its heart, it's still all SAMDOS... in fact, AFAICR, it even uses the SAMDOS sector load routines (the boot sector ones anyway)... I can't remember if I rejigged them a little to allow the DOS to work if it's stored on side 2 of the disk though... I might have :) Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 30 21:10:53 1997 Subject: Re: .sna Speccy snapshots To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 21:06:11 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <3908421B8C@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> from "Johnna Teare" at Apr 30, 97 05:10:42 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <19970430200640Z49276-17857+1313@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 970 Lines: 21 > > Ummmmmmmm... which version of ROM do you have? > > 3.0 I think. Everything else works fine (although the bizzarre DOS on > one of those AJ Demo Sample disks reported the same error also - > think you wrote that too altough I can't remember) > > PRINT PEEK 15 returns 30 anyway... Hmmm very odd... and yes, I did write the odd DOS on the AJ Demo Sample Disks -- MESG (or was it MESSY?) DOS... quite nice - stored the DOS in the top 4 tracks of the disk (80-83), making it only take up 1 sector of DOS-accessible space. Mind you, some drives didn't like it, which is why I stopped doing it. I wrote a later version which stuck the screen in the top 4 tracks as well, and faded it in, waited for a key, and then faded it out again :) Doubt I've still got the routines on disk that did it though... (although it /was/ my Computer Studies A/S project ... amazing how you can just document something you wrote in your spare time and it gets you an A) Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 30 22:04:39 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 22:01:09 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@navy.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no cc: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: .sna Speccy snapshots In-Reply-To: <19970430200640Z49276-17857+1313@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 919 Lines: 23 On Wed, 30 Apr 1997, Simon Cooke wrote: > it /was/ my Computer Studies A/S project ... amazing how you can just > document something you wrote in your spare time and it gets you an A) > Simon Hang on, hang on.... I wanted to do something like that, but they wouldn't let me use anything which wasn't high-level programmed. So I had to write a project from scratch in turbo pascal, ugh. But I got an A also. Andrew +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Second Law Of Thermodynamics: | Andrew Collier, 1A NatSci | | If you think things are in a | email asc25@hermes.cam.ac.uk | | mess now, just you wait.... | Selwyn College, Cambridge | +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | See Gloucester show photos at http://brain.sel.cam.ac.uk/~asc25 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 30 23:19:06 1997 Subject: Re: .sna Speccy snapshots To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 23:12:43 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: from "Andrew Collier" at Apr 30, 97 10:01:09 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <19970430221256Z49285-17857+1360@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 724 Lines: 18 > On Wed, 30 Apr 1997, Simon Cooke wrote: > > > it /was/ my Computer Studies A/S project ... amazing how you can just > > document something you wrote in your spare time and it gets you an A) > > Simon > > Hang on, hang on.... I wanted to do something like that, but they wouldn't > let me use anything which wasn't high-level programmed. So I had to write > a project from scratch in turbo pascal, ugh. > > But I got an A also. *grins* I suppose it depends on how nice your computer teachers are... peculiarly, they never batted an eyelid when I started throwing z80 assembler at them. SAM Basic balked them for a minute or two though (that was my GCSE one -- Disc Message Creator, FRED 11B, take a bow ;) ) Simon