From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 8 11:02:28 1997 Subject: Linux Sound? To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 10:48:29 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <19970508094906Z49166-260+171@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 274 Lines: 10 Hi everyone, Does anyone have any experience with using the Soundblaster card under Linux? (For both FM sound and digital sound?) I'm thinking of doing some work on emulating the SAM sound chip... mind you , I might have to do it using sampled waveforms (eeek!) Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 8 11:02:28 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <13846.199705080948@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Gloating (Was: Assembler blues) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 10:48:43 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <3370C4CF.9DC@aqverpg.pb.hx> from "Neville Young" at May 7, 97 07:07:11 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 168 Lines: 8 > > > Had over 1350Mb spare last time I looked. ;) > > You want to die? :) > Not just yet but one day I will. Promise. Do I get your hard disk when you do? :) Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 8 11:02:28 1997 Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 05:55:48 EDT From: "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Gloating (Was: Assembler blues) Message-Id: <19970508095603Z49178-260+172@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 375 Lines: 17 Date: 1997-05-08 10:56 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 09:46:20 +0100 (BST) >From: Justin Skists >To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >Subject: Re: Gloating (Was: Assembler blues) > >> Had over 1350Mb spare last time I looked. ;) > >You git] :) > Thats 'fat bald git sir' to you. From imc Thu May 8 11:35:16 1997 Subject: Re: Assembler blues To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 11:35:16 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Dan Doore" at May 7, 97 02:42:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 630 Lines: 19 On Wed, 7 May 1997 14:42:00 +0100, Dan Doore said: > UKP10 to the first person to use this declaration in commercial C Code: > int milk_brilliant; Of course that rather unfairly limits this to those people who have a job which involves writing commercial C code. There are quite a few of these around (I suspect you'll find a few if you look at the source of perl). I don't know where you can find a list but the archives of comp.lang.c are a good bet (Deja News didn't hepl though). I don't suppose the Fast Show had been on last time I saw such a list. :-) imc char broiled; int egrity; short temper; long sighted; From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 8 12:33:44 1997 Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 12:09:05 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@jasmine.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Poor, impoverished student seeks work ... In-Reply-To: <970508054803_269005116@emout11.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 814 Lines: 25 On Thu, 8 May 1997 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 07/05/97 12:43:21, you write: > > >Which ring is that? > >one of the seven, > >one of the three, > >or The one ring? > > > >Precious. > > Is the big one..... > > Small though compared to the one they would like to build. The big one where they like smashing up those tiny little things (smaller than my brain) they named after a certain Ferengi? -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 8 12:33:44 1997 Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 12:10:08 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@jasmine.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Gloating (Was: Assembler blues) In-Reply-To: <19970508095603Z49178-260+172@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 580 Lines: 18 On Thu, 8 May 1997, YOUNG, Neville / IT Life wrote: > >> Had over 1350Mb spare last time I looked. ;) > > > >You git] :) > > > > Thats 'fat bald git sir' to you. Yeah. Whatever! ;) -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From imc Thu May 8 13:24:50 1997 Subject: Re: Assembler blues To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 13:24:50 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970507154831.00f88a08@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> from "Simon Cooke" at May 7, 97 03:48:31 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 789 Lines: 26 On Wed, 07 May 1997 15:48:31 +0100, Simon Cooke said: > I was thinking of something like this: > macro_to_define: MACRO > local: LD A,$1 > l2: LD B,$2 > l3: LD E,0 > l5: LD HL,$3 > ENDMACRO > Which would be used like this: > mymacrousage1: macro_to_define(4,10,SYMBOL) > DJNZ mymacrousage1.l5 > mymacrousage2: macro_to_define(20,SYMBOL,10) > LD A,(HL) > LD (mymacrousage2.l3+1),A I posted my view on this some time ago... Well at least $1, $2, ... are more sensible than what you had last time. Can you think of any sensible reason why you would want to use the internal labels of a macro on more than an occasional basis? imc From imc Thu May 8 13:32:04 1997 Subject: Re: Assembler blues To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 13:32:04 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <3370C6FC.54A1@aqverpg.pb.hx> from "Neville Young" at May 7, 97 07:16:29 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1208 Lines: 23 On Wed, 07 May 1997 19:16:29 +0100, Neville Young said: > How does one sequence save time compared with any other sequence? > Am I missing something here? A-Z or Z-A or random wouldn't the > effectivness of any sequence depend entirely on the distribution of > characters being used? Random order: you look at each item of the linked list until you get to the end of the list and then notice that it wasn't in there. Alphabetical: you look at each item of the linked list until you get to one which is further on in the alphabet than the one you wanted, and then notice that it wasn't in there. So in the average case it only takes you half as long to notice that it isn't in an alphabetical list as it does to notice that it isn't in a random list, if all letters are used equally often. I didn't make clear earlier that the time saving was only in the case that your symbol isn't in the table, but there you go. You might not think that's useful, but in fact it would happen during (a) insertion of a new symbol (because you presumably want to check whether it was defined before or not and find the correct insertion point), and (b) forward references. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 8 13:46:17 1997 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 13:11:00 +0100 From: Dan Doore Organization: * To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no (SAM-USER@SMTP {sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no}) Subject: RE: Assembler blues Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.20B.16 MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 434 Lines: 16 > > On Wed, 7 May 1997 14:42:00 +0100, Dan Doore said: > > UKP10 to the first person to use this declaration in commercial C Code: > > > int milk_brilliant; > > Of course that rather unfairly limits this to those people who have a job > which involves writing commercial C code. IMy spies tell me that the cash control system for the Little Chef restaurants already contain both 'int milk_brilliant' and 'char ming' Dan. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 8 14:18:38 1997 Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 14:07:13 +0100 From: D.M.Zambonini@cs.cf.ac.uk (D M Zambonini) Message-Id: <199705081307.OAA19362@lanval.cs.cf.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Assembler blues Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: 4Alm/9LRDxO5VbLhaobJJA== Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 521 Lines: 13 < Discourse on elementary cross platform C programming > Hmmm... yup, if you're just developing for 80x86 like I am you still have to take the compiler into account. The worst thing is, on some compilers you can't tell them to generate packed structures when you've got word alignment on globally... so you have to resort to using char[] arrays instead... Little and big endian? I prefer using bwap (this is 80x86 here, you understand) to store 16 bit values in the high end of the 32 bit registers.... . :) DMZ --- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 8 18:40:09 1997 Subject: Re: Poor, impoverished student seeks work ... To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 18:28:34 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <18A7C024A21@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> from "Dave Hooper" at May 8, 97 06:24:37 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <19970508172858Z49178-260+212@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 131 Lines: 7 > I hope it's not just me, but... > Have you any idea what they're talking about? The accelerator at CERN, and Tolkien ;) Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 8 18:40:09 1997 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 18:24:37 +0000 Subject: Re: Poor, impoverished student seeks work ... X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <18A7C024A21@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 562 Lines: 20 > >Which ring is that? > >one of the seven, > >one of the three, > >or The one ring? > > > >Precious. > > Is the big one..... > > Small though compared to the one they would like to build. I hope it's not just me, but... Have you any idea what they're talking about? --- dave --- If you can read this message your browser does not support frames, video, sound, mime, color, text or any of that irratating acidic jelly. eat my face: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/5636/ drink my beer: http://yi.com/home/HooperDave/ pull my leg: no-brain@mindless.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 9 00:04:14 1997 Message-ID: <3372585B.48A8@aqverpg.pb.hx> Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 23:48:59 +0100 From: Neville Young Organization: X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Gloating (Was: Assembler blues) References: <13846.199705080948@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 714 Lines: 24 Mr P R Walker wrote: > > > > > Had over 1350Mb spare last time I looked. ;) > > > You want to die? :) > > Not just yet but one day I will. Promise. > > Do I get your hard disk when you do? :) > > Paul Which one. There are 3 in my PC, and you will have to fight my son for them. -- ---------------------------------------------------- | | |This site has lots of free space :) :) :) :) | |--------------------------------------------------| |Home arivyyrl@aqverpg.pb.hx | |Work tou3exae@vozznvy.pbz | |http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~nevilley/homepage.htm | ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 9 00:04:14 1997 Message-ID: <3372597C.872@aqverpg.pb.hx> Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 23:53:48 +0100 From: Neville Young Organization: X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Assembler blues References: <9705081232.AA17550@gruffle.comlab.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1745 Lines: 39 Ian Collier wrote: > > On Wed, 07 May 1997 19:16:29 +0100, Neville Young said: > > How does one sequence save time compared with any other sequence? > > Am I missing something here? A-Z or Z-A or random wouldn't the > > effectivness of any sequence depend entirely on the distribution of > > characters being used? > > Random order: you look at each item of the linked list until you get to the > end of the list and then notice that it wasn't in there. > Alphabetical: you look at each item of the linked list until you get to one > which is further on in the alphabet than the one you wanted, > and then notice that it wasn't in there. > > So in the average case it only takes you half as long to notice that it > isn't in an alphabetical list as it does to notice that it isn't in a > random list, if all letters are used equally often. > > I didn't make clear earlier that the time saving was only in the case that > your symbol isn't in the table, but there you go. You might not think > that's useful, but in fact it would happen during (a) insertion of a new > symbol (because you presumably want to check whether it was defined before > or not and find the correct insertion point), and (b) forward references. > > imc Thank you. It becomes clear now. -- ---------------------------------------------------- | | |This site is showing signs of old age. | |--------------------------------------------------| |Home arivyyrl@aqverpg.pb.hx | |Work tou3exae@vozznvy.pbz | |http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~nevilley/homepage.htm | ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 9 09:42:00 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <22312.199705090829@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Gloating (Was: Assembler blues) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 09:29:44 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <3372585B.48A8@aqverpg.pb.hx> from "Neville Young" at May 8, 97 11:48:59 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 108 Lines: 5 > > Which one. There are 3 in my PC, and you will have to fight my son for > them. Doesn't matter then... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 9 10:19:45 1997 Subject: Probs with Sound on SIM Coupe To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 10:08:25 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <19970509090859Z49184-260+834@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 722 Lines: 16 Hi everone, It looks quite difficult to emulate the SAM's sound chip for SIM Coupe... It appears that the standard OPL2 chip (Yamaha's FM sound synthesis chip) has only 4 voices... so while this is fine for, say, AY38912 emulation, it won't cut the mustard for the SAM. Solution: use samples. Every 50th of a second, a new stretch of samples will be generated, based on the current frequency (etc) of the channels. These samples will play for the next 50th, then more will be generated etc. Any comments? It looks like the only way to do it at the moment (more advanced sound chips use the EMUL-8000 chip, which may have more ... eloquent functionality). I'm worried that it might be a bit slow though... Simon From imc Fri May 9 10:50:23 1997 Subject: Re: Probs with Sound on SIM Coupe To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 10:50:23 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <19970509090859Z49184-260+834@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> from "Simon Cooke" at May 9, 97 10:08:25 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 508 Lines: 10 On Fri, 9 May 1997 10:08:25 +0100 (BST), Simon Cooke said: > Solution: use samples. Every 50th of a second, a new stretch of samples > will be generated, based on the current frequency (etc) of the channels. > These samples will play for the next 50th, then more will be generated etc. The only way to do it on a generalised Unix machine. A bit of a pain, and probably quite slow. xz80 currently calculates samples for the ordinary Spectrum beeper, and will eventually do this for the 128K sound. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 9 11:28:20 1997 Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 12:22:02 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9705091022.AA04243@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Probs with Sound on SIM Coupe X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 937 Lines: 21 > Hi everone, > > It looks quite difficult to emulate the SAM's sound chip for SIM Coupe... > It appears that the standard OPL2 chip (Yamaha's FM sound synthesis chip) > has only 4 voices... so while this is fine for, say, AY38912 emulation, > it won't cut the mustard for the SAM. > > Solution: use samples. Every 50th of a second, a new stretch of samples > will be generated, based on the current frequency (etc) of the channels. > These samples will play for the next 50th, then more will be generated etc. That was my initial thought as well when I looked into the /dev/audio technicals.... Trouble is, generating 6 stereo channels AND mixing them right might be too much even at 50Hz.... > > Any comments? It looks like the only way to do it at the moment (more > advanced sound chips use the EMUL-8000 chip, which may have more ... > eloquent functionality). I'm worried that it might be a bit slow though... -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 9 11:47:19 1997 Message-Id: From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale) Subject: Re: Probs with Sound on SIM Coupe To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 11:31:45 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <9705091022.AA04243@asmal.edh-net> from "Frode Tenneboe" at May 9, 97 12:22:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 405 Lines: 12 > That was my initial thought as well when I looked into the /dev/audio > technicals.... Trouble is, generating 6 stereo channels AND mixing them > right might be too much even at 50Hz.... > Well, if you've already got 4 channels on the yamaha chip, then presumably you only need to use the sampling for two sam channels? OK, not all the voices will sound the same, but does that matter too much? Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 9 17:06:28 1997 Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 15:58:22 +0100 From: D.M.Zambonini@cs.cf.ac.uk (D M Zambonini) Message-Id: <199705091458.PAA04429@nentres.cs.cf.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Assembler blues Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: Hj9BY+0sWTQ+2sla47Pm6w== Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1079 Lines: 23 > > Random order: you look at each item of the linked list until you get to the > > end of the list and then notice that it wasn't in there. > > Alphabetical: you look at each item of the linked list until you get to one > > which is further on in the alphabet than the one you wanted, > > and then notice that it wasn't in there. > > > > So in the average case it only takes you half as long to notice that it > > isn't in an alphabetical list as it does to notice that it isn't in a > > random list, if all letters are used equally often. > > > > I didn't make clear earlier that the time saving was only in the case that > > your symbol isn't in the table, but there you go. You might not think > > that's useful, but in fact it would happen during (a) insertion of a new > > symbol (because you presumably want to check whether it was defined before > > or not and find the correct insertion point), and (b) forward references. > > > > imc And don't forget you can't perform a binary search on an unordered list... :) DMZ --- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 9 17:06:28 1997 Message-Id: <199705091523.RAA26942@dxmint.cern.ch> X-Authentication-Warning: dxmint.cern.ch: Host hpopm1.cern.ch [137.138.243.238] claimed to be hpopb1.cern.ch From: Allan Skillman Subject: Re: Probs with Sound on SIM Coupe To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 9 May 97 17:23:38 METDST In-Reply-To: <19970509090859Z49184-260+834@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no>; from "Simon Cooke" at May 9, 97 10:08 am Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2132 Lines: 44 Hi All, > > It looks quite difficult to emulate the SAM's sound chip for SIM Coupe... > It appears that the standard OPL2 chip (Yamaha's FM sound synthesis chip) > has only 4 voices... so while this is fine for, say, AY38912 emulation, > it won't cut the mustard for the SAM. > > Solution: use samples. Every 50th of a second, a new stretch of samples > will be generated, based on the current frequency (etc) of the channels. > These samples will play for the next 50th, then more will be generated etc. This is close to the way I am thinking of, apart from the implementation. In UNIX the best way to approach the problem is to fork() a server process to deal with the sample generation, and communicate to and from the main emulation code via a pipe. The Server, once forked just sits in a loop calculating the required frequencies for the sound and noise channels and mixing them into a sample. I already have the Server process and communication written. All I have to do is to write the SAA emulation part (ie registers) and the sample generation part - which is the bit I know the least about. Perhaps Simon (or anyone else for that matter) you would like to sort this part out for me? > > Any comments? It looks like the only way to do it at the moment (more > advanced sound chips use the EMUL-8000 chip, which may have more ... > eloquent functionality). I'm worried that it might be a bit slow though... > > Simon > -- +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Now available! SimCoupe, the one and only SAM Coupe emulator | | ******* http://www.hep.ucl.ac.uk/~ajs/simcoupe ******* | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ | Allan Skillman | "There are five flavours of resons, the | | HEPP Group | elementary particles of magic : up, down, | | University College London | sideways, sex-appeal and peppermint." | | Email : ajs@hep.ucl.ac.uk | - Terry Pratchett (Lords and Ladies) | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 9 17:06:29 1997 Subject: Re: Probs with Sound on SIM Coupe To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 16:42:19 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <199705091523.RAA26942@dxmint.cern.ch> from "Allan Skillman" at May 9, 97 05:23:38 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <19970509154240Z49155-260+1125@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 955 Lines: 20 > This is close to the way I am thinking of, apart from the implementation. > In UNIX the best way to approach the problem is to fork() a server process > to deal with the sample generation, and communicate to and from the main > emulation code via a pipe. The Server, once forked just sits in a loop > calculating the required frequencies for the sound and noise channels and > mixing them into a sample. > > I already have the Server process and communication written. All I have to > do is to write the SAA emulation part (ie registers) and the sample > generation part - which is the bit I know the least about. Perhaps Simon > (or anyone else for that matter) you would like to sort this part out for > me? Well, I'd be more than happy to do the job. Should I include bugs in the sound chip or not? :) (at last! I know enough C to contribute to SIM Coupe!) (And I think Stefan knows a fair bit about building samples and mixing them ;) ) Simon From imc Fri May 9 17:13:37 1997 Subject: Re: Assembler blues To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 17:13:37 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <199705091458.PAA04429@nentres.cs.cf.ac.uk> from "D M Zambonini" at May 9, 97 03:58:22 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 261 Lines: 7 On Fri, 9 May 1997 15:58:22 +0100, D M Zambonini said: > And don't forget you can't perform a binary search on an unordered list... :) As I have already said, you can't binary search an ordered one either if it is presented in the form of a linked list. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 9 17:47:46 1997 Message-Id: <199705091637.SAA07502@dxmint.cern.ch> X-Authentication-Warning: dxmint.cern.ch: Host hpopm1.cern.ch [137.138.243.238] claimed to be hpopb1.cern.ch From: Allan Skillman Subject: Re: Probs with Sound on SIM Coupe To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 9 May 97 18:37:49 METDST In-Reply-To: <19970509154240Z49155-260+1125@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no>; from "Simon Cooke" at May 9, 97 4:42 pm Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1724 Lines: 35 Hello Simon (and all) > > Well, I'd be more than happy to do the job. Should I include bugs in the > sound chip or not? :) (at last! I know enough C to contribute to SIM Coupe!) > > (And I think Stefan knows a fair bit about building samples and mixing > them ;) ) Excellent. What is needed is the code to take the frequencies of the 6 channels and the noise channels and mix them together in a single sample. This is just fed into /dev/audio a far as I can see. I'm not sure how the stereo effects can be handled - this may be done using IOCTL calls on the audio device (Ian?). I guess with the complexity of the SAA chip we may have to go to 16 bit samples, but I don't think this is much of a problem. On a different note I've been investigating the facilities available for boot disks on Linux 2. I have now successfully built a single disk boot/root system for reinstalling my system on my new disk. I intend to use this method for the new SimCoupe boot/root release. All the user will have to do is to boot one disk. Allan -- +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Now available! SimCoupe, the one and only SAM Coupe emulator | | ******* http://www.hep.ucl.ac.uk/~ajs/simcoupe ******* | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ | Allan Skillman | "There are five flavours of resons, the | | HEPP Group | elementary particles of magic : up, down, | | University College London | sideways, sex-appeal and peppermint." | | Email : ajs@hep.ucl.ac.uk | - Terry Pratchett (Lords and Ladies) | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ From imc Fri May 9 19:05:56 1997 Subject: Re: Probs with Sound on SIM Coupe To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 19:05:56 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <199705091637.SAA07502@dxmint.cern.ch> from "Allan Skillman" at May 9, 97 06:37:49 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 222 Lines: 7 On Fri, 9 May 97 18:37:49 METDST, Allan Skillman said: > this may be done using IOCTL > calls on the audio device (Ian?). I wouldn't know as my machine doesn't have stereo... imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat May 10 11:28:57 1997 Message-Id: <199705101026.LAA07231@mail.enterprise.net> From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-FTN-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Dalmation today! Date: 10 May 1997 11:22:42 Organization: Dalmation enterprises X-newsreader: Spot 1.3 Unregistered X-mailer: NetGate 1.3 (Amiga; TCP/IP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 224 Lines: 14 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Hi, I just thought I'd mention: DALMATION BBS is open today until 10pm. It might be open next Saturday too, and the Saturday after that (?) I don't know yet... 01744 614150 Bye Dave Whitmore From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 12 10:19:54 1997 Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 04:18:14 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970512041814_-1164867776@emout11.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Poor, impoverished student seeks work ... Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 274 Lines: 12 In a message dated 08/05/97 18:12:02, you write: >> Is the big one..... >> >> Small though compared to the one they would like to build. > >I hope it's not just me, but... >Have you any idea what they're talking about? Do you have a few days spare to find out? :) Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 12 10:20:06 1997 Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 04:18:08 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970512041808_-1265759552@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Poor, impoverished student seeks work ... Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 613 Lines: 25 In a message dated 08/05/97 14:13:50, you write: >On Thu, 8 May 1997 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > >> In a message dated 07/05/97 12:43:21, you write: >> >> >Which ring is that? >> >one of the seven, >> >one of the three, >> >or The one ring? >> > >> >Precious. >> >> Is the big one..... >> >> Small though compared to the one they would like to build. > >The big one where they like smashing up those tiny little things >(smaller than my brain) they named after a certain Ferengi? Thats the one.... As to the size of sub-atomic particles in relation to your brain - I'll keeeeep very, VERY, quiet :) Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 12 10:20:07 1997 Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 04:47:56 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970512041806_1041376193@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Linux Sound? Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 458 Lines: 16 In a message dated 08/05/97 13:42:04, you write: >Hi everyone, > >Does anyone have any experience with using the Soundblaster card under >Linux? (For both FM sound and digital sound?) > >I'm thinking of doing some work on emulating the SAM sound chip... mind >you , I might have to do it using sampled waveforms (eeek!) > >Simon Details of the control registers for Soundblaster were in the last issue of FORMAT PC - could email info if you want. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 12 11:28:04 1997 Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 11:19:41 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@napier.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Poor, impoverished student seeks work ... In-Reply-To: <970512041808_-1265759552@emout10.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 806 Lines: 22 On Mon, 12 May 1997 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > >The big one where they like smashing up those tiny little things > >(smaller than my brain) they named after a certain Ferengi? > > Thats the one.... > As to the size of sub-atomic particles in relation to your brain - I'll > keeeeep very, VERY, quiet :) Very wise! ;) Do you think CERN will employ me for the reason that I love the name "Top Quarks"? :) -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 12 11:39:50 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <29024.199705121031@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Dalmation today! To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 11:30:59 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <199705101026.LAA07231@mail.enterprise.net> from "Dave Whitmore" at May 10, 97 11:22:42 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 223 Lines: 10 Dave Whitmore, 10th May 1997: > DALMATION BBS is open today until 10pm. > 01744 614150 Heh. Did you get a call from Peter Harkess? Or haven't you told him yet? (And Cookie, you've got some replies in spectrum...) Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 12 12:00:33 1997 Message-ID: <3376EF28.4B8C@rflect.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 11:21:28 +0100 From: Wayne Coles Organization: reflections software X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re:Assembler Blues Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1731 Lines: 64 I thought I`d add my opinion to the on going debate on the sort routine. The way I`d do (whether its the best way or not I`m not sure)... A table of 26 pointers, one for each letter of the alphabet. They all start with NULL. When adding a label find the first letter of its name and its place in the alphabet then ... void AddLabel( int position, char *label ) { if *( PointerArray[ position ] ) // Does it have at least // one entry??? { SortArray[]; // Hey, its an example! } else { PointerArray[ position ] = label; // Store address } } Well, actually I`d pass a structure which would be like ... typedef struct { char *LabelText; // Address of label text Label *NextLabel; // Next label in list } Label; Then to sort through the list you ... void SortList( Label *label, Label *list, Label *lastlabel ) // label is a pointer to the label structure for the label to entered // list is a pointer to the first entry in the correct alphabet list // lastlabel is the address of the entry within the PointerArray { while ( list ) { if ( CompareLabels( label->LabelText, list->LabelText )) { // ComapreLabels returns non-NULL value if our label should be inserted // here .... // If we get here then insert our new label ... label->NextLabel = list; list = 0; // Exit loop } else { lastlabel = list; list = list->NextLabel; } } *lastlabel = label; // Make sure the last label points to // our new one. } Which should be a pretty fast loop (or you could re-write it in assembler), using this method you can jump straight to the correct table, so finding a label begining with Z will be just as fast as one with A ( or F or G etc.). Untill Next Time .... Wayne Coles From imc Mon May 12 12:18:35 1997 Subject: Re: Assembler Blues To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 12:18:35 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <3376EF28.4B8C@rflect.demon.co.uk> from "Wayne Coles" at May 12, 97 11:21:28 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 690 Lines: 15 On Mon, 12 May 1997 11:21:28 +0100, Wayne Coles said: > I thought I`d add my opinion to the on going debate on the sort routine. > The way I`d do (whether its the best way or not I`m not sure)... You appear to have an array of 26 linked lists (don't forget that labels might be allowed to start with non-alpha characters). Out of binary tree, trie, hash table and yours I'm afraid yours would perform the worst except on very small examples. The fastest would be to have a trie in which each branch has an array of 37 pointers [one for each letter and number and one for the other characters - at least], but this is quite memory-hungry and only reduces time by a constant factor. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 12 12:59:28 1997 From: Johnna Teare Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 12:47:15 GMT+0 Subject: Re: Happy Birthday X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <4B73D0E54@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 266 Lines: 11 > Happy birthday to Andrew. :-) My Mum's birthday on Saturday too. So Happy Birthday to my Mum (albeit a little belatedly) > > imc > Johnna Pig Teare (JohnnaPig@deathsdoor.com) JohnnaPig OnLine (www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna) "I'm one card short of a full deck." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 12 13:26:54 1997 Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 13:14:44 +0100 From: D.M.Zambonini@cs.cf.ac.uk (D M Zambonini) Message-Id: <199705121214.NAA08915@aron.cs.cf.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Assembler blues Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: pV/gRRqn8MW1M9ucRyc6lg== Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 303 Lines: 13 > > And don't forget you can't perform a binary search on an unordered list... :) > > As I have already said, you can't binary search an ordered one either if > it is presented in the form of a linked list. > > imc Not strictly true, but it does take quite a lot of additional baggage.... DMZ --- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 12 13:26:54 1997 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 13:16:39 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Probs with Sound on SIM Coupe X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <1E55CCB16D9@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 676 Lines: 15 > That was my initial thought as well when I looked into the /dev/audio > technicals.... Trouble is, generating 6 stereo channels AND mixing them > right might be too much even at 50Hz.... Not really - consider trackers that mix up to 64 channels in stereo, f'rinstance. Although that's not on a unix machine - but if you can do it on a slow pentium . . . --dave-- ADVERTISEMENT---- | Holy Cheesus! Cheese flavored potato balls snack! From the makers of Schmilk - the surprising alternative to milk! | ------------+ eat my face: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/5636/ drink my beer: http://yi.com/home/HooperDave/ From imc Mon May 12 13:38:47 1997 Subject: Re: Assembler blues To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 13:38:47 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <199705121214.NAA08915@aron.cs.cf.ac.uk> from "D M Zambonini" at May 12, 97 01:14:44 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 668 Lines: 14 On Mon, 12 May 1997 13:14:44 +0100, D M Zambonini said: > > As I have already said, you can't binary search an ordered one either if > > it is presented in the form of a linked list. > Not strictly true, but it does take quite a lot of additional baggage.... OK, so you can binary search it, but there's no point as it will always take at least as long as a linear search. The point about a linked list is that to get to an item you have to read all the preceding items in order to follow their pointers. Now unless comparing an item with the thing you want is hugely expensive then you might as well check each of those items while you are looking at them. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 12 14:13:16 1997 Message-ID: <33770DC6.2A4B@rflect.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 13:32:06 +0100 From: Wayne Coles Organization: reflections software X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Assembler Blues References: <9705121118.AA26977@gruffle.comlab.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 479 Lines: 15 Ian Collier wrote: > You appear to have an array of 26 linked lists (don't forget that labels > might be allowed to start with non-alpha characters). Yeah, well you add an extra pointer for non-alpha characters (tsk). > Out of binary tree, > trie, hash table and yours I'm afraid yours would perform the worst except > on very small examples. I`ve missed a lot of the postings (I`ve only just joined) so I don`t know what other ideas are out there (but now I know). Wayne. From imc Mon May 12 14:15:19 1997 Subject: Re: Assembler Blues To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 14:15:19 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <33770DC6.2A4B@rflect.demon.co.uk> from "Wayne Coles" at May 12, 97 01:32:06 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 235 Lines: 7 On Mon, 12 May 1997 13:32:06 +0100, Wayne Coles said: > I`ve missed a lot of the postings (I`ve only just joined) so I don`t > know what other ideas are out there (but now I know). So how did you know what the question was? :-) imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 12 14:59:51 1997 Message-ID: <33771ECA.64BE@rflect.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 14:44:42 +0100 From: Wayne Coles Organization: reflections software X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Assembler Blues References: <9705121315.AA28477@gruffle.comlab.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 149 Lines: 7 Ian Collier wrote: > So how did you know what the question was? :-) Well, ok. I`ve caught a couple (and I sent a mail to Simon as well). Wayne. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 12 14:59:51 1997 Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 14:45:46 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@klein.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Happy Birthday In-Reply-To: <4B73D0E54@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 609 Lines: 17 On Mon, 12 May 1997, Johnna Teare wrote: > > Happy birthday to Andrew. :-) > > My Mum's birthday on Saturday too. So Happy Birthday to my Mum > (albeit a little belatedly) And mine on this Thursday (15th)! :) -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 12 14:59:51 1997 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 14:53:04 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Happy Birthday X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <1E6F8690FF0@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 243 Lines: 6 > > My Mum's birthday on Saturday too. So Happy Birthday to my Mum > > (albeit a little belatedly) Happy birthday to my Mum on Sunday - only a day late so that's ok. But then again she wouldn't be reading this. So what am I talking about? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 12 16:07:41 1997 Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 15:38:31 +0100 (BST) From: Tim Paveley To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Happy Birthday In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 572 Lines: 18 On Mon, 12 May 1997, Justin Skists wrote: > On Mon, 12 May 1997, Johnna Teare wrote: > > My Mum's birthday on Saturday too. So Happy Birthday to my Mum > > (albeit a little belatedly) > And mine on this Thursday (15th)! :) While we're at it... 24th June 19?? :) Hmm, maybe these could be added to Dan's list of members :) ....@/ .........................................................................@/ Unc - Tim Paveley - http://dplinux.sund.ac.uk/~unc/ Staff of the Monochrome BBS - http://www.mono.org/ Owner of a Sam Coupe - http://www.mono.org/~unc/Coupe/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 12 17:13:14 1997 Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 17:53:34 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9705121553.AA03248@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Probs with Sound on SIM Coupe X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 590 Lines: 14 > > > That was my initial thought as well when I looked into the /dev/audio > > technicals.... Trouble is, generating 6 stereo channels AND mixing them > > right might be too much even at 50Hz.... > > Not really - consider trackers that mix up to 64 channels in stereo, > f'rinstance. Although that's not on a unix machine - but if you can > do it on a slow pentium . . . But that is a dedicated sequencer or whatever. Even the SAM does that to a certain degree. Trouble is that it has to generate 6 stereo samples and mixing them and outputting it AND emulating a SAM Coupe! -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 12 17:13:14 1997 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 16:34:57 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Happy Birthday X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <1E8AB1C6960@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 113 Lines: 6 > > 24th June 19?? :) Day after me sister! Mine was 16th April. Didn't get that printer cable I wanted (sniff) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 12 17:13:15 1997 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 16:59:05 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Probs with Sound on SIM Coupe X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <1E911E10C63@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 291 Lines: 6 > But that is a dedicated sequencer or whatever. Even the SAM does that > to a certain degree. Trouble is that it has to generate 6 stereo > samples and mixing them and outputting it AND emulating a SAM Coupe! ... or use the card for 4 and just use samples for 2 ... should be easy enuff! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 12 17:13:18 1997 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Happy Birthday References: X-Mammoth-Status: Aware From: Uncle Bulgaria Date: 12 May 1997 16:20:54 +0100 In-Reply-To: Tim Paveley's message of Mon, 12 May 1997 15:38:31 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.52/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 609 Lines: 21 Tim Paveley writes: > On Mon, 12 May 1997, Justin Skists wrote: > > On Mon, 12 May 1997, Johnna Teare wrote: > > > My Mum's birthday on Saturday too. So Happy Birthday to my Mum > > > (albeit a little belatedly) > > And mine on this Thursday (15th)! :) > > While we're at it... > > 24th June 19?? :) > 14th June ... -- 'Nerds remind me of musicians ... in my experience, both nerds and musicians are ardent, passionate and such good fun in the sack that if the government knew about it they'd lock them up' - M.Bywater Lee Willis - Musician and Software Engineering Student. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 12 18:40:46 1997 Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 18:18:10 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9705121618.AA03263@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Probs with Sound on SIM Coupe X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 415 Lines: 11 > > But that is a dedicated sequencer or whatever. Even the SAM does that > > to a certain degree. Trouble is that it has to generate 6 stereo > > samples and mixing them and outputting it AND emulating a SAM Coupe! > > ... or use the card for 4 and just use samples for 2 ... should be > easy enuff! You don't have access to 'a card'. You have access to a device. So, you'd have to do it the hard way. -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 12 18:40:50 1997 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 17:36:41 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Probs with Sound on SIM Coupe X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <1E9B26E6795@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 256 Lines: 6 > You don't have access to 'a card'. You have access to a device. > So, you'd have to do it the hard way. Which hard way? Using samples exclusively for everything? I was under the impression that Simon was wondering how to use FM synthesis under Linux. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 12 19:02:44 1997 Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 19:50:41 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9705121750.AA05947@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Probs with Sound on SIM Coupe X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 653 Lines: 15 > > You don't have access to 'a card'. You have access to a device. > > So, you'd have to do it the hard way. > > Which hard way? Using samples exclusively for everything? I was under > the impression that Simon was wondering how to use FM synthesis under > Linux. On any given platform you are not guarranted to have a particular configuration of sound cards with a given number of channels. Of course, 4 channels might be the lowest common denominator, but will it sound the same on all configurations? And there is also the problem of accessing it. using /dev/audio is a rather straightforward way as long as you have build the samples. -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 12 23:13:21 1997 X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L NL @ C&L INT @ C&L INT EXTERNAL @ WORLDCOM @INTERLIANT @ WORLDCOM @ OUTBOUND From: Stefan Drissen To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Message-ID: <86256495.007A4865.00@internet-502.interliant.com> Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 21:15:14 +0100 Subject: Re: Probs with Sound on SIM Coupe Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2621 Lines: 67 >Well, I'd be more than happy to do the job. Should I include bugs in the >sound chip or not? :) (at last! I know enough C to contribute to SIM Coupe!) > >(And I think Stefan knows a fair bit about building samples and mixing >them ;) ) Wotsat samples? Never 'eard of 'em guv. Seriously though, what do you NEED to know? Are you planning on writing the mixer routines in C or in assembly? - hmmm, since Linux is multi platform that means it needs to be written in C doesn't it? (please excuse my Unix ignorance). There is a choice to be made between using volume tables or real time multiplication to allow different volumes. IMHO writing an SAA emulator routine should be a doddle... after all soundcards work automatically don't they? Just tell the soundcard to dump this block of memory out at frequency x. Update the pointers once a frame to the start of a buffer (possibly two for stereo), use two buffers so that one gets updated while the other is being played. this all sounds so much like coding the SAM MOD player - sigh . You could use true sinewaves for the SAA waveform or you could use the real thing to get that real feeling. I'm not quite sure how emulating modulation will work though... If we get the SAA thing up and running the next thing would be a SAMdac emulation mode... even more of a doddle once the SAA emulation has been incorporated! >Simon BTW had a look at all those lovely Gloucester show pictures over the weekend - OH MY GOD! I'm not going to be able to show my face at another Gloucester show ever again - and am definitely going to have to make sure that I keep my hands OUT of my pockets at all times... :) Nev - you got any "Gloucester: THE MOVIE" productions in the works? ;) -- **************************************** This document should only be read by those persons to whom it is addressed and is not intended to be relied upon by any person without subsequent written confirmation of its contents. 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Message-Id: <19970513090954Z49277-260+3312@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 484 Lines: 21 Date: 1997-05-13 10:01 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 04:18:14 -0400 (EDT) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Poor, impoverished student seeks work ... In a message dated 08/05/97 18:12:02, you write: >> Is the big one..... >> >> Small though compared to the one they would like to build. > >I hope it's not just me, but... >Have you any idea what they're talking about? It is just you. ;) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 13 10:53:59 1997 Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 05:20:35 EDT From: "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Gloucester the movie (was: Probs with Sound on SIM Coupe) Message-Id: <19970513092053Z49305-260+3329@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 751 Lines: 25 Date: 1997-05-13 10:20 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: "Stefan Drissen" >To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 21:15:14 +0100 >Subject: Re: Probs with Sound on SIM Coupe > >BTW had a look at all those lovely Gloucester show pictures over the >weekend - OH MY GOD] I'm not going to be able to show my face at another >Gloucester show ever again - and am definitely going to have to make sure >that I keep my hands OUT of my pockets at all times... :) > >Nev - you got any "Gloucester: THE MOVIE" productions in the works? ;) > Yep. Would you like a download in avi format? will require, oh about, 0.5-0.7Gb of disk. yes that is Gb ] ;) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 13 10:54:00 1997 Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 04:41:18 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970513044117_675428706@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Poor, impoverished student seeks work ... Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 552 Lines: 19 In a message dated 12/05/97 10:21:18, you write: >On Mon, 12 May 1997 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > >> >The big one where they like smashing up those tiny little things >> >(smaller than my brain) they named after a certain Ferengi? >> >> Thats the one.... >> As to the size of sub-atomic particles in relation to your brain - I'll >> keeeeep very, VERY, quiet :) > >Very wise! ;) > >Do you think CERN will employ me for the reason that I love the name "Top >Quarks"? :) No, get the job on charm alone - or on the other hand just be strange. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 13 10:54:00 1997 Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 05:11:16 EDT From: "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Probs with Sound on SIM Coupe Message-Id: <19970513091143Z49277-260+3313@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 736 Lines: 22 Date: 1997-05-13 10:08 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 18:18:10 +0200 >From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) >To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >Subject: Re: Probs with Sound on SIM Coupe > >> > But that is a dedicated sequencer or whatever. Even the SAM does that >> > to a certain degree. Trouble is that it has to generate 6 stereo >> > samples and mixing them and outputting it AND emulating a SAM Coupe] >> >> ... or use the card for 4 and just use samples for 2 ... should be >> easy enuff] > >You don't have access to 'a card'. You have access to a device. >So, you'd have to do it the hard way. > You could always write a new driver. Ok maybe not. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 13 10:54:00 1997 Message-Id: <199705130910.LAA29769@dxmint.cern.ch> X-Authentication-Warning: dxmint.cern.ch: Host hpopl1.cern.ch [137.138.243.47] claimed to be hpopb1.cern.ch From: Allan Skillman Subject: Re: Poor, impoverished student seeks work ... To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 13 May 97 11:10:30 METDST In-Reply-To: <970513044117_675428706@emout10.mail.aol.com>; from "BrenchleyR@aol.com" at May 13, 97 4:41 am Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 952 Lines: 22 > >Do you think CERN will employ me for the reason that I love the name "Top > >Quarks"? :) > > No, get the job on charm alone - or on the other hand just be strange. > > Bob. > Well its a lot better than students going around looking for naked bottom :) Allan +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Now available! 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Message-Id: <19970513101915Z49302-260+3334@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 648 Lines: 27 Date: 1997-05-13 11:21 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Allan Skillman >Subject: Re: Poor, impoverished student seeks work ... >To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >Date: Tue, 13 May 97 11:10:30 METDST > > >> >Do you think CERN will employ me for the reason that I love the name "Top >> >Quarks"? :) >> >> No, get the job on charm alone - or on the other hand just be strange. >> >> Bob. >> > >Well its a lot better than students going around looking for naked bottom :) > >Allan AAARRRRRRGGGGHHHHH ]]] sorry it was the thought of Rik Mayal and Adrian Edmondson naked From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 13 11:35:32 1997 Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 11:32:35 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@cantor.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Poor, impoverished student seeks work ... In-Reply-To: <970513044117_675428706@emout10.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 793 Lines: 19 On Tue, 13 May 1997 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > >Do you think CERN will employ me for the reason that I love the name "Top > >Quarks"? :) > > No, get the job on charm alone - or on the other hand just be strange. I can be strange. In fact, I'm naturally strange. Strangeness is in my genes. I am the definition of strange. You look up "Strange" in the dictionary and it shows a photo of me. -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 13 11:46:28 1997 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Poor, impoverished student seeks work ... References: X-Mammoth-Status: Aware From: Uncle Bulgaria Date: 13 May 1997 11:40:55 +0100 In-Reply-To: Justin Skists's message of Tue, 13 May 1997 11:32:35 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.52/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 811 Lines: 23 Justin Skists writes: > On Tue, 13 May 1997 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > > > >Do you think CERN will employ me for the reason that I love the name "Top > > >Quarks"? :) > > > > No, get the job on charm alone - or on the other hand just be strange. > > I can be strange. In fact, I'm naturally strange. Strangeness is in my > genes. I am the definition of strange. You look up "Strange" in the > dictionary and it shows a photo of me. > No it doesn't I just checked, it shows Stefan 'What a lovely showercap' Drissen ... -- 'Nerds remind me of musicians ... in my experience, both nerds and musicians are ardent, passionate and such good fun in the sack that if the government knew about it they'd lock them up' - M.Bywater *Lee Willis - Musician and Software Engineering Student.* From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 13 11:58:01 1997 Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 11:48:17 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@cantor.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Poor, impoverished student seeks work ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 832 Lines: 20 On 13 May 1997, Uncle Bulgaria wrote: > Justin Skists writes: > > I can be strange. In fact, I'm naturally strange. Strangeness is in my > > genes. I am the definition of strange. You look up "Strange" in the > > dictionary and it shows a photo of me. > > > > No it doesn't I just checked, it shows Stefan 'What a lovely showercap' > Drissen ... You're looking at the wrong edition. He's under weird in mine! ;) -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 13 11:58:01 1997 Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 11:49:05 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Walker X-Sender: csuan@holly To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Poor, impoverished student seeks work ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 228 Lines: 11 On 13 May 1997, Uncle Bulgaria wrote: > No it doesn't I just checked, it shows Stefan 'What a lovely showercap' > Drissen ... Showercap? --------- Singers, shapers, dreamers, and makers -------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 13 12:30:43 1997 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Poor, impoverished student seeks work ... References: X-Mammoth-Status: Aware From: Uncle Bulgaria Date: 13 May 1997 12:19:43 +0100 In-Reply-To: Paul Walker's message of Tue, 13 May 1997 11:49:05 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.52/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 529 Lines: 19 Paul Walker writes: > On 13 May 1997, Uncle Bulgaria wrote: > > > No it doesn't I just checked, it shows Stefan 'What a lovely showercap' > > Drissen ... > > > > Showercap? > Check out the Gloucester pictures ... -- 'Nerds remind me of musicians ... in my experience, both nerds and musicians are ardent, passionate and such good fun in the sack that if the government knew about it they'd lock them up' - M.Bywater *Lee Willis - Musician and Software Engineering Student.* From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 13 12:56:19 1997 Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 12:34:07 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Walker X-Sender: csuan@holly To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Poor, impoverished student seeks work ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 522 Lines: 16 On 13 May 1997, Uncle Bulgaria wrote: > > Showercap? > Check out the Gloucester pictures ... I've had a look, and the reason for your statement is clear - the reason why Stefan's wearing a showercap, on the other hand, I'm not sure I want to know...! :) Paul --------- Singers, shapers, dreamers, and makers -------------- Any unsolicited commercial emails received will be proofread and returned to source, along with a bill for 150UKP. Sending such emails to my account will be deemed acceptance of these terms. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 13 13:13:10 1997 Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 13:29:31 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9705131129.AA07044@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Poor, impoverished student seeks work ... X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 497 Lines: 16 > On Tue, 13 May 1997 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > > > >Do you think CERN will employ me for the reason that I love the name "Top > > >Quarks"? :) > > > > No, get the job on charm alone - or on the other hand just be strange. > > I can be strange. In fact, I'm naturally strange. Strangeness is in my > genes. I am the definition of strange. You look up "Strange" in the > dictionary and it shows a photo of me. > You don't happen to go up and down from top to bottom as well? ;) -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 13 14:10:53 1997 Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 13:54:27 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@puce.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Poor, impoverished student seeks work ... In-Reply-To: <9705131129.AA07044@asmal.edh-net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 884 Lines: 23 On Tue, 13 May 1997, Frode Tenneboe wrote: > > I can be strange. In fact, I'm naturally strange. Strangeness is in my > > genes. I am the definition of strange. You look up "Strange" in the > > dictionary and it shows a photo of me. > > You don't happen to go up and down from top to bottom as well? ;) There's something wrong with this discussion. Fundamentally wrong. Andrew +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Second Law Of Thermodynamics: | Andrew Collier, 1A NatSci | | If you think things are in a | email asc25@hermes.cam.ac.uk | | mess now, just you wait.... | Selwyn College, Cambridge | +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | See Gloucester show photos at http://brain.sel.cam.ac.uk/~asc25 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 13 14:44:45 1997 Message-ID: <33785725.5B75@rflect.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 12:57:25 +0100 From: Wayne Coles Organization: reflections software X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: KABOOM! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 675 Lines: 16 OK, here it is... Kaboom! IS now finished, Colin should recieve the disks this week (once I get time to copy and post the disks), so you should find Kaboom! on your doorstep (or in your post box), if you`ve ordered it, either at the end of the week or next week at the latest. I`m very busy this week, with studying and stuff, so it depends on when I can get the time to copy the disks and do the final disk checking (which has been the main problem before (due to dodgy disks) (and crap coding from me!) (erm, but its not crap anymore, honest! (hint, hint))). Yes, SAM owners of the world rejoice! (if you like Bomberman that is :-) Sorry to interrupt your day... Wayne From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 13 14:44:45 1997 Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 09:31:26 EDT From: "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Poor, impoverished student seeks work ... Message-Id: <19970513133135Z49268-260+3377@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 831 Lines: 30 Date: 1997-05-13 14:28 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 13:54:27 +0100 (BST) >From: Andrew Collier >To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >Subject: Re: Poor, impoverished student seeks work ... > >On Tue, 13 May 1997, Frode Tenneboe wrote: > >> > I can be strange. In fact, I'm naturally strange. Strangeness is in my >> > genes. I am the definition of strange. You look up "Strange" in the >> > dictionary and it shows a photo of me. >> >> You don't happen to go up and down from top to bottom as well? ;) > >There's something wrong with this discussion. > >Fundamentally wrong. > > >Andrew Ok. This has gone on long enough. Where's the Green & Blacks? Ah here it is, next to my six rather well spoken ducks. nev the storm bringer From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 13 14:44:51 1997 Message-ID: <560DD83001F73000@c2gate.tcom.co.uk> Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 13:36:00 +0100 From: Dan Doore Organization: * To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no (Sam Users Mailing List) Subject: RE: Poor, impoverished student seeks wor Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.20B.16 MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 298 Lines: 15 > >Do you think CERN will employ me for the reason that I love the name "Top > >Quarks"? :) > > No, get the job on charm alone - or on the other hand just be strange. That has got to be the worst sub-atomic pun I have ever read... unsubscribe sam-users subscribe alt.fan.quark.puns :) Dan. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 13 15:04:29 1997 Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 15:52:04 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9705131352.AA08739@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: KABOOM! X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 879 Lines: 24 > OK, here it is... > > Kaboom! IS now finished, Colin should recieve the disks this week (once > I get time to copy and post the disks), so you should find Kaboom! on > your doorstep (or in your post box), if you`ve ordered it, either at the > end of the week or next week at the latest. > > I`m very busy this week, with studying and stuff, so it depends on when > I can get the time to copy the disks and do the final disk checking > (which has been the main problem before (due to dodgy disks) (and crap > coding from me!) (erm, but its not crap anymore, honest! (hint, hint))). > > Yes, SAM owners of the world rejoice! (if you like Bomberman that is :-) Errr...I'm affraid to ask. What is Bomberman? How about some screenshots? Or a playable demo? Or a free copy to the jolly fellas on this list? O:> -Frode > Sorry to interrupt your day... Not at all. > Wayne > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 13 15:30:09 1997 Message-ID: <33787945.42E6@rflect.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 15:23:01 +0100 From: Wayne Coles Organization: reflections software X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: KABOOM! References: <9705131352.AA08739@asmal.edh-net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2125 Lines: 49 Frode Tenneboe wrote: > Errr...I'm affraid to ask. What is Bomberman? How about some screenshots? You`ve never heard of bomberman??? Blimey!! Ok, Bomberman has also been known as Dynablaster (you may have heard of this), otherwise... You are given a zone to play in with upto four other players (yes even on the SAM), the idea is to be the last man standing. To help you achieve this, you have to hand a single bomb. Drop the bomb next to a wall and when it explodes the wall will be destroyed (and you as well, if you don`t get away in time! :( Sometimes power-ups appear in the guise of extra bombs (you can drop 2...3...4... upto 9 at a time (thats PER PLAYER)), explosion increase (your bombs explosions go further), extra speed (doh!), remote controlled bombs (you can set off your bombs when you want!), invisiblity and others as well! Different zones have different properties, TUNNEL ZONE has tunnels which you can hide under (and drop bombs that other players can`t see), SPEED ZONE starts you off with extra speed, POWER ZONE starts every player with all power ups (thats extra speed, 9 bombs and explosions of full height/width), some zones have teleports others have power blocks (that make your bombs explode at full power). There are 20 zones altogether! And, although I`m biased, I honestly believe that KABOOM! has the best music in ANY SAM game so far, the tunes were written especially for KABOOM! by PYRAMEX (and no, that isn`t me). You want screenshots??? What format (GIF, JPG, BMP, OTHER??) Let me know and I`ll post some when I get time... > Or a playable demo? Or a free copy to the jolly fellas on this list? O:> Although I`d love to give everyone a free copy, Colin Macdonald would probably kill me. He`s been on at me to finish it and if I turned around and gave it away I could see me being sued for breach of contract :-) Kaboom! Costs 10.99 from Fred Publishing. Comes on two disks (if it was on standard SAM 780k disk It`d have to go on three!). It is also one of the most optimised assemly games on the SAM, can`t say much more than that little lot can I... Bye Bye Wayne. From imc Tue May 13 15:36:51 1997 Subject: Re: KABOOM! To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 15:36:51 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <33787945.42E6@rflect.demon.co.uk> from "Wayne Coles" at May 13, 97 03:23:01 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 350 Lines: 12 On Tue, 13 May 1997 15:23:01 +0100, Wayne Coles said: > Frode Tenneboe wrote: > > Errr...I'm affraid to ask. What is Bomberman? How about some screenshots? > You`ve never heard of bomberman??? Blimey!! > > Ok, Bomberman has also been known as Dynablaster (you may have heard of > this), otherwise... Yes, but is it anything like xblast? :-) imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 13 16:49:12 1997 From: The Mad Goose Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 15:38:39 GMT+0 Subject: Re: KABOOM! X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <1F96184680@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1594 Lines: 45 > Frode Tenneboe wrote: > > > Errr...I'm affraid to ask. What is Bomberman? How about some screenshots? > > You`ve never heard of bomberman??? Blimey!! > > Ok, Bomberman has also been known as Dynablaster (you may have heard of > this), otherwise... > > You are given a zone to play in with upto four other players (yes even > on the SAM), the idea is to be the last man standing. To help you > achieve this, you have to hand a single bomb. Drop the bomb next to a > wall and when it explodes the wall will be destroyed (and you as well, > if you don`t get away in time! :( > [large impressive sounding sales patter cut] > > Or a playable demo? Or a free copy to the jolly fellas on this list? O:> > > Although I`d love to give everyone a free copy, Colin Macdonald would > probably kill me. He`s been on at me to finish it and if I turned > around and gave it away I could see me being sued for breach of contract > :-) > > Kaboom! Costs 10.99 from Fred Publishing. Comes on two disks (if it was > on standard SAM 780k disk It`d have to go on three!). It is also one of > the most optimised assemly games on the SAM, can`t say much more than > that little lot can I... > Damn...I think I'm sold. Now to talk nicely to that bank manager bloke... Are there any othe SAM games in the pipeline now, or is this the last stand FRED Publishing are making? (Don't get FRED no more so don't know what's going on in the world...) > Bye Bye > Wayne. > Johnna Pig Teare (JohnnaPig@deathsdoor.com) JohnnaPig OnLine (www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna) "I'm one card short of a full deck." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 13 16:49:12 1997 Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 17:48:31 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9705131548.AA09231@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: KABOOM! X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 3033 Lines: 73 > > Frode Tenneboe wrote: > > > Errr...I'm affraid to ask. What is Bomberman? How about some screenshots? > > You`ve never heard of bomberman??? Blimey!! > > Ok, Bomberman has also been known as Dynablaster (you may have heard of > this), otherwise... > > You are given a zone to play in with upto four other players (yes even > on the SAM), the idea is to be the last man standing. To help you > achieve this, you have to hand a single bomb. Drop the bomb next to a > wall and when it explodes the wall will be destroyed (and you as well, > if you don`t get away in time! :( > > Sometimes power-ups appear in the guise of extra bombs (you can drop > 2...3...4... upto 9 at a time (thats PER PLAYER)), explosion increase > (your bombs explosions go further), extra speed (doh!), remote > controlled bombs (you can set off your bombs when you want!), > invisiblity and others as well! > > Different zones have different properties, TUNNEL ZONE has tunnels which > you can hide under (and drop bombs that other players can`t see), SPEED > ZONE starts you off with extra speed, POWER ZONE starts every player > with all power ups (thats extra speed, 9 bombs and explosions of full > height/width), some zones have teleports others have power blocks (that > make your bombs explode at full power). There are 20 zones altogether! Jolly good...sounds like Lode Runner goes IRA.... > > And, although I`m biased, I honestly believe that KABOOM! has the best > music in ANY SAM game so far, the tunes were written especially for > KABOOM! by PYRAMEX (and no, that isn`t me). You don't say.. :) > > You want screenshots??? What format (GIF, JPG, BMP, OTHER??) Let me > know and I`ll post some when I get time... You should probably go for gif. Thought, don't post binaries to the list. Upload them to nvg or perhaps publish them on WWW... > > > Or a playable demo? Or a free copy to the jolly fellas on this list? O:> > > Although I`d love to give everyone a free copy, Colin Macdonald would > probably kill me. He`s been on at me to finish it and if I turned > around and gave it away I could see me being sued for breach of contract > :-) Nah...Colin is on of the jolly fellas you see. Actually, he's the super, duper...eh..ok..got carried away a bit there. Naturally, Colin will sue you, actually, I'd guess he's prepearing the paperworks this very minute. :) Err...carried away again... No, I understand you position of course. I'd do the same when I finish my 3D shoot-smash-race-dribble-charm-em-up-down-top-bottom-strange-here- there-everywhere type of multimedia-cyber-entertainment for the SAM. > > Kaboom! Costs 10.99 from Fred Publishing. Comes on two disks (if it was > on standard SAM 780k disk It`d have to go on three!). It is also one of > the most optimised assemly games on the SAM, can`t say much more than > that little lot can I... Either the levels are really _huge_ with unique textures for each object, or this must be the worst optimised assembly ever. ;) -Frode one-too-many-pizzas From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 13 16:50:58 1997 From: Gavin Smith Organization: University of Ulster To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 17:00:30 GMT Subject: Re: KABOOM! X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 802 Lines: 15 > Are there any othe SAM games in the pipeline now, or is this the last > stand FRED Publishing are making? (Don't get FRED no more so don't > know what's going on in the world...) FRED Publishing are now being run by Darren Wileman (of Saturn Software fame). I got the current issue of FRED yesterday from them, and apart from the horrible pinky red disk (which really ruins the look of my FRED collection *sobs*), its quite good. There was also the usual subbers' letter, which mentioned a new FRED game, out at the end of this month, called Colony. Apparently based on Sim City, it will cost about 15 quid, and I'm currently wetting my pants in anticipation - its been the kind of game I've been wanting since I first bought my SAM. Anyone know anymore about it? Programmer etc? Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 13 17:36:36 1997 Message-ID: <33789525.2070@rflect.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 17:21:57 +0100 From: Wayne Coles Organization: reflections software X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: KABOOM! References: <9705131548.AA09231@asmal.edh-net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1256 Lines: 30 Frode Tenneboe wrote: > Either the levels are really _huge_ with unique textures for each > object, or this must be the worst optimised assembly ever. ;) Cough, splutter!!!!!! Errmmmm, I hope you don`t think the games 3D or anything. It would be pretty slow if it was! The game is an overhead jobby with computer or human opponents (or all computer controlled characters if you really want). The game runs VERY fast for a full screen SAM action game. The code for the game is optimized pretty well. But the graphics routines take up between 16k - 32k per level not including the sprites (which take up about 50-odd k per set (and there are some secret characters as well!). The main memory gobbler though, is the music. 5 different in-game tunes each one taking between 90k-120k each. They were written using E-Tracker but converted to run on my own (my very own) player (which is the single, fastest e-tracker player so far! (Yep, even faster than Simons :) Although it does take up a lot of memory :( The game takes advantage of two disk drives and 1 meg expansions as well. Don`t forget it wont be sent out untill the end of the week / next week though, I`ve got to get it to Colin first. Wayne Two-too-many-pizzas (hah!, beat you!) :-) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 13 17:36:36 1997 Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 17:24:52 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@napier.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: SAM games In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 968 Lines: 21 On Tue, 13 May 1997, Gavin Smith wrote: > the usual subbers' letter, which mentioned a new FRED game, out at > the end of this month, called Colony. Apparently based on Sim City, Whoa..! You mean there's finally a decent game on the way and not some conversion of old Spectrum games????? We're only, say, 5 or 6 years behind the rest of the gaming world now! :) What I want is a decent space flight sim (similar to Elite, and Frontier and FirstEnc on the PC). That I *WILL* buy. I'm not talking about texture-mapped NURBS graphics. Just filled polygons would do.. -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 13 17:36:36 1997 From: James R Curry Organization: De Montfort University To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 17:12:55 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Happy Birthday In-reply-to: <1E8AB1C6960@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.53/R1) Message-ID: <873AB289E@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 350 Lines: 14 > Mine was 16th April. > Didn't get that printer cable I wanted (sniff) > My Birthday was 14th March. -- James R Curry hc95jc@dmu.ac.uk "Bart! With $10,000, we'd be millionaires! We could buy all kinds of useful things like... love!" - Homer Simpson, the Simpsons. The official James R Curry web page is under construction! Stand by. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 13 17:40:50 1997 Message-ID: <33789806.2F3C@rflect.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 17:34:14 +0100 From: Wayne Coles Organization: reflections software X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM games References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1193 Lines: 28 Justin Skists wrote: > > the usual subbers' letter, which mentioned a new FRED game, out at > > the end of this month, called Colony. Apparently based on Sim City, > > Whoa..! You mean there's finally a decent game on the way and not some > conversion of old Spectrum games????? > Hey!! What about Kaboom!!!!!!!!! (sob!) ;) > What I want is a decent space flight sim (similar to Elite, and Frontier and > FirstEnc on the PC). That I *WILL* buy. I'm not talking about > texture-mapped NURBS graphics. Just filled polygons would do.. Possible, but I think a more DOOM-ey type game would work better, but for texture mapping you`d need a MEG expansion so you could use funky stuff like Ray-casting and BSP (or even PVS) trees which speeds stuff like that up quite a bit (but takes a sizeable chunk of memory). If you can`t tilt your head then even more optimisations can be made. This isn`t done on the PC any more but I`m sure SAM owners wouldn`t mind it. Unfortunately don`t have time to write a texture mapped game on the SAM anymore (I will write some more 2d stuff though!), but you might see some 3d stuff (solid / textured) if I ever get around to writing my demo! Wayne. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 13 17:53:10 1997 Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 18:44:54 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9705131644.AA09476@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM games X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 405 Lines: 12 > On Tue, 13 May 1997, Gavin Smith wrote: > > > the usual subbers' letter, which mentioned a new FRED game, out at > > the end of this month, called Colony. Apparently based on Sim City, > > Whoa..! You mean there's finally a decent game on the way and not some > conversion of old Spectrum games????? You are forgetting that a version of Sim City for the Speccy actually _does_ excist. :) -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 13 18:01:52 1997 Subject: Cookie in America To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 14:54:15 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <19970513165243Z49316-260+3444@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 308 Lines: 10 Well guys, It looks like I'm off to America. Provisionally, August 1st is being spoken of. Based on an Idea is still going to be produced (the wonders of Email eh?), so no problems there. The only thing I have to do now is to get hold of a new machine so that I can run SimCoupe at full speed ;) Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 13 18:05:25 1997 Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 18:01:28 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@napier.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM games In-Reply-To: <33789806.2F3C@rflect.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2042 Lines: 45 On Tue, 13 May 1997, Wayne Coles wrote: > Justin Skists wrote: > > > > the usual subbers' letter, which mentioned a new FRED game, out at > > > the end of this month, called Colony. Apparently based on Sim City, > > > > Whoa..! You mean there's finally a decent game on the way and not some > > conversion of old Spectrum games????? > > Hey!! What about Kaboom!!!!!!!!! (sob!) ;) *Ahem* I'll reserve judgement til I see it! :) > > What I want is a decent space flight sim (similar to Elite, and Frontier and > > FirstEnc on the PC). That I *WILL* buy. I'm not talking about > > texture-mapped NURBS graphics. Just filled polygons would do.. > > Possible, but I think a more DOOM-ey type game would work better, > but for texture mapping you`d need a MEG expansion so you could use > funky stuff like Ray-casting and BSP (or even PVS) trees which speeds > stuff like that up quite a bit (but takes a sizeable chunk of memory). > If you can`t tilt your head then even more optimisations can be made. > This isn`t done on the PC any more but I`m sure SAM owners wouldn`t mind > it. Unfortunately don`t have time to write a texture mapped game on the > SAM anymore (I will write some more 2d stuff though!), but you might see > some 3d stuff (solid / textured) if I ever get around to writing my > demo! I've got the idea of the style of game I would love to play. It's just that I don't even know where to start (or have time myself). Maybe I should have a look at my comp grafix lecture notes and see if I can get a rotating cube to start with, or something.. *think to see what is involve* Oh, God.. There goes another idea.. -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 13 18:10:59 1997 Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 18:05:26 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@napier.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM games In-Reply-To: <9705131644.AA09476@asmal.edh-net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 886 Lines: 22 On Tue, 13 May 1997, Frode Tenneboe wrote: > > On Tue, 13 May 1997, Gavin Smith wrote: > > > > > the usual subbers' letter, which mentioned a new FRED game, out at > > > the end of this month, called Colony. Apparently based on Sim City, > > > > Whoa..! You mean there's finally a decent game on the way and not some > > conversion of old Spectrum games????? > > You are forgetting that a version of Sim City for the Speccy actually > _does_ excist. :) Oh well. There goes my hopes. -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 13 18:15:53 1997 Message-Id: <199705131715.SAA05140@mail.enterprise.net> From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-FTN-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Dalmation today! Date: 12 May 1997 19:24:21 Organization: Dalmation is back! References: <29024.199705121031@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> X-newsreader: Spot 1.3 Unregistered X-mailer: NetGate 1.3 (Amiga; TCP/IP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 593 Lines: 23 In a message of 12 May 97 Mr P R Walker wrote to sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no: Hi Mr, >> DALMATION BBS is open today until 10pm. 01744 614150 MPR> Heh. Did you get a call from Peter Harkess? Or haven't you told him MPR> yet? Yep, and Tristan. :) MPR> (And Cookie, you've got some replies in spectrum...) and Mr Cooke turned up as well. :) I've decided to drop the 'BBS' bit from the title, From now on it's to be known only as 'Dalmation'. I'm no longer 'The Sysop', just call me the ******* who runs it. I don't think I ever told anyone why it's called Dalmation... Bye Dave Whitmore From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 13 18:25:12 1997 Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 18:17:42 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@napier.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Dalmation today! In-Reply-To: <199705131715.SAA05140@mail.enterprise.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 586 Lines: 14 On 12 May 1997, Dave Whitmore wrote: > ******* who runs it. I don't think I ever told anyone why it's called > Dalmation... I assumed that you like dogs that are white with black spots on. -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 13 22:01:46 1997 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 21:55:08 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: SAM games X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <20602102BF4@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 462 Lines: 8 > I've got the idea of the style of game I would love to play. It's just > that I don't even know where to start (or have time myself). Maybe I > should have a look at my comp grafix lecture notes and see if I can get a > rotating cube to start with, or something.. Well, wot sorta game do you want? Rotating cubes are a pice of piess, as long as yr talking wireframe... but make for a dull game. In fact, any game involving cubes is probably pretty dull. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 14 00:29:02 1997 Message-ID: <3378C685.3D0F@aqverpg.pb.hx> Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 20:52:37 +0100 From: "arivyyrl@aqverpg.pb.hx" Organization: X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Happy Birthday References: <873AB289E@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 622 Lines: 22 James R Curry wrote: > > > Mine was 16th April. > > Didn't get that printer cable I wanted (sniff) > > > > My Birthday was 14th March. Oh I had a birthday too. It was last year sometime. -- ---------------------------------------------------- | | |This site is levitated by superconducting magnets.| |--------------------------------------------------| |Home arivyyrl@aqverpg.pb.hx | |Work tou3exae@vozznvy.pbz | |http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~nevilley/homepage.htm | ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 14 00:29:02 1997 Message-ID: <3378C7C4.E4C@aqverpg.pb.hx> Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 20:57:56 +0100 From: "arivyyrl@aqverpg.pb.hx" Organization: X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Cookie in America References: <19970513165243Z49316-260+3444@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 736 Lines: 22 Simon Cooke wrote: > > Well guys, > > It looks like I'm off to America. Provisionally, August 1st is being > spoken of. Based on an Idea is still going to be produced (the wonders of > Email eh?), so no problems there. We must have a different definition of 'no problem' Nev, still waiting for issue 3 -- ---------------------------------------------------- | | |This site is levitated by superconducting magnets.| |--------------------------------------------------| |Home arivyyrl@aqverpg.pb.hx | |Work tou3exae@vozznvy.pbz | |http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~nevilley/homepage.htm | ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 14 00:29:03 1997 Message-ID: <3378C726.14A4@aqverpg.pb.hx> Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 20:55:18 +0100 From: "arivyyrl@aqverpg.pb.hx" Organization: X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: KABOOM! References: <9705131548.AA09231@asmal.edh-net> <33789525.2070@rflect.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 951 Lines: 33 Wayne Coles wrote: > > Frode Tenneboe wrote: > > > Either the levels are really _huge_ with unique textures for each > > object, or this must be the worst optimised assembly ever. ;) > > Cough, splutter!!!!!! > > Errmmmm, I hope you don`t think the games 3D or anything. It would be > pretty slow if it was! > > The game is an overhead jobby with computer or human opponents (or all > computer controlled characters if you really want). > Ok thats 3D. 1) UP-DOWN 2) LEFT-RIGHT 3) TIME You just got to think it. -- ---------------------------------------------------- | | |This site is levitated by superconducting magnets.| |--------------------------------------------------| |Home arivyyrl@aqverpg.pb.hx | |Work tou3exae@vozznvy.pbz | |http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~nevilley/homepage.htm | ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 14 09:29:37 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970514092006.009e33c8@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 09:20:06 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: SIM Coupe bugs: palette data Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 497 Lines: 17 Allan: There are some slight bugs in SIMCoupe.. Firstly one that might just be due to my own Linux setup: Keys: Keys F1-F5 don't register on my system. F6 and up do (I just remapped F5 to F7 temporarily to play around). The other one is one with the palette initialiser colors: xevents.c AND vgaevents.c: int RGBvals[8] = {0x0000,0x0c30,0x30c3,0x3cf3,0xc30c,0xcf3c,0xf3cf,0xffff}; These values should in fact be: int RGBvals[8] = {0x0000,0x2492,0x4924,0x6db6,0x9248,0xb6da,0xdb6c,0xffff}; From imc Wed May 14 09:57:53 1997 Subject: Re: SAM games To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 09:57:53 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <20602102BF4@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> from "Dave Hooper" at May 13, 97 09:55:08 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 196 Lines: 7 On Tue, 13 May 1997 21:55:08 +0000, Dave Hooper said: > In fact, > any game involving cubes is probably pretty dull. 3D Tetris? imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 14 10:34:21 1997 Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 04:50:24 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970514045024_-63203118@emout01.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Poor, impoverished student seeks work ... Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 258 Lines: 13 In a message dated 13/05/97 14:26:54, you write: >w > >Ok. This has gone on long enough. Where's the Green & Blacks? > >Ah here it is, next to my six rather well spoken ducks. > >nev the storm bringer 12, not six, remember the anti-kay^H^H^Hquarks. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 14 10:34:22 1997 Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 04:50:22 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970514045021_-398760878@emout19.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Poor, impoverished student seeks work ... Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 667 Lines: 23 In a message dated 13/05/97 14:26:24, you write: >> On Tue, 13 May 1997 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: >> >> > >Do you think CERN will employ me for the reason that I love the name >"Top >> > >Quarks"? :) >> > >> > No, get the job on charm alone - or on the other hand just be strange. >> >> I can be strange. In fact, I'm naturally strange. Strangeness is in my >> genes. I am the definition of strange. You look up "Strange" in the >> dictionary and it shows a photo of me. >> > >You don't happen to go up and down from top to bottom as well? ;) > > -Frode Don't forget the antiquarks, never forget them. And of course, don't lose your hadrons will you. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 14 10:34:23 1997 Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 04:50:25 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970514045023_-365201326@emout20.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Poor, impoverished student seeks wor Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 511 Lines: 22 In a message dated 13/05/97 14:26:47, you write: >> >Do you think CERN will employ me for the reason that I love the name >"Top >> >Quarks"? :) >> >> No, get the job on charm alone - or on the other hand just be strange. > >That has got to be the worst sub-atomic pun I have ever read... > >unsubscribe sam-users >subscribe alt.fan.quark.puns Oh no Dan uk.singles------------------------------->>> thataway. If you want real puns that is, there you will see the real masters at work. > >:) > >Dan. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 14 10:34:25 1997 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Happy Birthday References: <873AB289E@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> <3378C685.3D0F@aqverpg.pb.hx> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware From: Uncle Bulgaria Date: 14 May 1997 10:03:09 +0100 In-Reply-To: "arivyyrl@aqverpg.pb.hx"'s message of Tue, 13 May 1997 20:52:37 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.52/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 594 Lines: 20 "arivyyrl@aqverpg.pb.hx" writes: > James R Curry wrote: > > > > > Mine was 16th April. > > > Didn't get that printer cable I wanted (sniff) > > > > > > > My Birthday was 14th March. > > Oh I had a birthday too. > It was last year sometime. > I would have thought you'd had a fari few in your time ... -- 'Nerds remind me of musicians ... in my experience, both nerds and musicians are ardent, passionate and such good fun in the sack that if the government knew about it they'd lock them up' - M.Bywater *Lee Willis - Musician and Software Engineering Student.* From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 14 11:18:27 1997 Message-ID: <33798DDF.515B@rflect.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 11:03:11 +0100 From: Wayne Coles Organization: reflections software X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM games References: <20602102BF4@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1118 Lines: 25 Dave Hooper wrote: > > > I've got the idea of the style of game I would love to play. It's just > > that I don't even know where to start (or have time myself). Maybe I > > should have a look at my comp grafix lecture notes and see if I can get a > > rotating cube to start with, or something.. > > Well, wot sorta game do you want? Rotating cubes are a pice of piess, > as long as yr talking wireframe... but make for a dull game. In fact, > any game involving cubes is probably pretty dull. Solid polygons are pretty easy to write as well! And affine texture mapping is only a little harder. Of course, you may have been talking about the SAMs [lack of] processor speed. In the demo I`ll probably start after KABOOM! is sent off, I`ll be lowering the resolution of the SAM`s mode 4 screen (from 256 pixels wide to 128 pixels), which means I don`t have to worry about whether I`m plotting the left or right pixel. Of course, it`ll look a little blockier but it should work well. Expect me to upload some screen shots of Kaboom! next week some time (after I`ve checked with Colin), are .ZIP files OK?? Wayne. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 14 13:42:09 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970514121627.00f7df00@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 12:16:27 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: KABOOM! In-Reply-To: <33789525.2070@rflect.demon.co.uk> References: <9705131548.AA09231@asmal.edh-net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 454 Lines: 12 At 05:21 PM 5/13/97 +0100, you wrote: >E-Tracker but converted to run on my own (my very own) player (which is >the single, fastest e-tracker player so far! (Yep, even faster than >Simons :) Although it does take up a lot of memory :( The game takes >advantage of two disk drives and 1 meg expansions as well. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm................................................ Faster than my delta-compressed one? Go on then, prove it ;) Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 14 13:42:10 1997 Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 12:12:58 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Walker X-Sender: csuan@lily To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Cookie in America In-Reply-To: <19970513165243Z49316-260+3444@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 461 Lines: 14 On Tue, 13 May 1997, Simon Cooke wrote: > spoken of. Based on an Idea is still going to be produced (the wonders of Quick question - is the latest issue of this still 3, or have I missed one? Paul --------- Singers, shapers, dreamers, and makers -------------- Any unsolicited commercial emails received will be proofread and returned to source, along with a bill for 150UKP. Sending such emails to my account will be deemed acceptance of these terms. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 14 13:42:10 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970514122248.00f827a0@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 12:22:48 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Cookie in America In-Reply-To: <3378C7C4.E4C@aqverpg.pb.hx> References: <19970513165243Z49316-260+3444@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 508 Lines: 21 At 08:57 PM 5/13/97 +0100, you wrote: >Status: RO > >Simon Cooke wrote: >> >> Well guys, >> >> It looks like I'm off to America. Provisionally, August 1st is being >> spoken of. Based on an Idea is still going to be produced (the wonders of >> Email eh?), so no problems there. >We must have a different definition of 'no problem' That's true... erm... >>>hides<<< >Nev, still waiting for issue 3 Sorry man... I'm getting it done as fast as I can. Work is a real time-suck at the moment though. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 14 13:42:10 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970514122336.00f7a530@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 12:23:36 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Cookie in America In-Reply-To: References: <19970513165243Z49316-260+3444@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 525 Lines: 17 At 12:12 PM 5/14/97 +0100, you wrote: >Status: > >On Tue, 13 May 1997, Simon Cooke wrote: > >> spoken of. Based on an Idea is still going to be produced (the wonders of > >Quick question - is the latest issue of this still 3, or have I missed >one? Nope, still issue 3 in progress... part of the problem is that I'm having to write most of it myself (apart from Martin's hardware article, no-one's written one for this issue... mind you, with it all planned out there isn't room now if someone came up with one) Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 14 13:42:12 1997 Message-ID: <3379AB86.388A@rflect.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 13:09:42 +0100 From: Wayne Coles Organization: reflections software X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: KABOOM! References: <9705131548.AA09231@asmal.edh-net> <3.0.1.32.19970514121627.00f7df00@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 194 Lines: 9 Simon Cooke wrote: > Faster than my delta-compressed one? Go on then, prove it ;) Errmmmm, Have I seen your delta-compressed one??? Oh, and isn`t my word good enough for you??? ;-) Wayne. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 14 13:42:13 1997 Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 12:36:17 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Walker X-Sender: csuan@lily To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Dalmation today! In-Reply-To: <199705131715.SAA05140@mail.enterprise.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 465 Lines: 18 On 12 May 1997, Dave Whitmore wrote: > MPR> Heh. Did you get a call from Peter Harkess? Or haven't you told him > Yep, and Tristan. :) No Adie? Or Neil? What is the world coming to... actually, we should subscribe them to this list. >:) > ******* who runs it. I don't think I ever told anyone why it's called > Dalmation... I just assuming you had a fetish for dogs with black spots...? ;) --------- Singers, shapers, dreamers, and makers -------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 14 13:42:13 1997 Message-ID: <3379AF9C.4538@rflect.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 13:27:08 +0100 From: Wayne Coles Organization: reflections software X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: KABOOM! References: <9705131548.AA09231@asmal.edh-net> <3.0.1.32.19970514121627.00f7df00@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> <3379AB86.388A@rflect.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 248 Lines: 6 Credit where credits due (I forgot to mention), my e-player IS based on an idea by Simon Cooke (I just re-wrote it is all, optimised in a special format for Kaboom!)and so the files weren`t so huge. Yes Simon, thankyou, where-ever you are! Wayne. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 14 13:42:14 1997 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 13:11:52 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: SAM games X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <21549A65E53@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 164 Lines: 6 > > In fact, > > any game involving cubes is probably pretty dull. > > 3D Tetris? Excellent example. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 14 13:42:18 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <8070.199705141229@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Test To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 13:29:39 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 118 Lines: 6 Hi All, This has been *very* quiet today, so this is just a quick test to see if the email is still working... Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 14 13:51:30 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <9595.199705141245@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Cookie in America To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 13:45:41 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970514122336.00f7a530@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> from "Simon Cooke" at May 14, 97 12:23:36 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 175 Lines: 7 > Nope, still issue 3 in progress... part of the problem is that I'm having Ah. That could explain why I couldn't find it ... I thought I'd lost the flaming thing. :) Paul From imc Wed May 14 13:55:44 1997 Subject: Re: Cookie in America To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 13:55:44 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970514122248.00f827a0@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> from "Simon Cooke" at May 14, 97 12:22:48 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 208 Lines: 7 On Wed, 14 May 1997 12:22:48 +0100, Simon Cooke said: > Sorry man... I'm getting it done as fast as I can. Work is a real time-suck > at the moment though. As opposed to a real-time suck, I suppose... imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 14 19:40:39 1997 Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 14:08:53 +0100 (BST) From: Tim Wells <93tgw@eng.cam.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Test In-Reply-To: <8070.199705141229@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 273 Lines: 10 > This has been *very* quiet today, so this is just a quick test to > see if the email is still working... Yep, still working. However have noticed over the last few days that nvg seems to hanging on to mails for a while (and then firing them out 15 at a time). Tim W. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 14 19:40:39 1997 Message-Id: <199705141731.SAA27811@mail.enterprise.net> From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-FTN-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Dalmation today! Date: 14 May 1997 18:27:11 Organization: Dalmation enterprises References: X-newsreader: Spot 1.3 Unregistered X-mailer: NetGate 1.3 (Amiga; TCP/IP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 754 Lines: 31 In a message of 14 May 97 Paul Walker wrote to sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no: Hi Paul, PW> No Adie? Or Neil? I kind of mentioned it to her and she said she might pop on now and again, but she's busy socialising with pop stars ATM, and it might be hard getting her away. She said she'll tell Neil, so him and Kev might turn up. Derek Morgan's got a modem now, but he's still only got a SAM - and we know how crap SAM is for comms.. :) PW> What is the world coming to... actually, we should subscribe them to PW> this list. >:) Argh! That'd be disasterous. :) >> ******* who runs it. I don't think I ever told anyone why it's called >> Dalmation... PW> I just assuming you had a fetish for dogs with black spots...? ;) No! :) Bye, Dave Whitmore From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 14 19:40:44 1997 Message-ID: <3379FD5B.3D29@aqverpg.pb.hx> Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 18:58:51 +0100 From: "arivyyrl@aqverpg.pb.hx" Organization: X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM games References: <9705140857.AA20405@gruffle.comlab.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 762 Lines: 22 Ian Collier wrote: > > On Tue, 13 May 1997 21:55:08 +0000, Dave Hooper said: > > In fact, > > any game involving cubes is probably pretty dull. > > 3D Tetris? > Monopoly, ludo, snakes & ladders, backgammon, craps, yahtsee(sp?) Yep you're right all pretty dull. -- ---------------------------------------------------- | | |This site is levitated by superconducting magnets.| |--------------------------------------------------| |Home arivyyrl@aqverpg.pb.hx | |Work tou3exae@vozznvy.pbz | |http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~nevilley/homepage.htm | ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 14 19:40:45 1997 Message-ID: <337A0164.C29@aqverpg.pb.hx> Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 19:16:04 +0100 From: "arivyyrl@aqverpg.pb.hx" Organization: X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sams users mail list Subject: BOAI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 675 Lines: 14 Just to say that I have just received issue five of based on an idea and I thought it was really great. I particually liked the article about the infra red remote control link for the sam keyboard and the one about using semtex to clear ear wax. -- ---------------------------------------------------- | | |This site is sponsored by 'wind ups R us' | |--------------------------------------------------| |Home arivyyrl@aqverpg.pb.hx | |Work tou3exae@vozznvy.pbz | |http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~nevilley/homepage.htm | ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 14 19:55:22 1997 Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 19:45:57 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Walker X-Sender: csuan@lily To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 403 Lines: 14 On Wed, 14 May 1997, Tim Wells wrote: > However have noticed over the last few days that nvg seems to hanging on > to mails for a while (and then firing them out 15 at a time). ISWYM - the mails seem to turn up in batches of about 6 or so here, so heaven only knows where the rest are going to...! Hmm. Confusion reigns again. Paul --------- Singers, shapers, dreamers, and makers -------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 15 07:04:51 1997 Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 06:53:07 +0100 (BST) From: Si Owen To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: KABOOM! In-Reply-To: <33787945.42E6@rflect.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: Organisation: Wordcraft International Ltd. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 664 Lines: 17 On Tue, 13 May 1997, Wayne Coles wrote: > You`ve never heard of bomberman??? Blimey!! > > Ok, Bomberman has also been known as Dynablaster (you may have heard of > this), otherwise... Er... is it like a 1 player Eric and the Floaters? (from the Spectrum) Si /------------------------------------+----------------------------------------\ | Si Owen | Home: si@obobo.demon.co.uk | | Wordcraft International Ltd, UK | Work: sowen@wordcraft.co.uk | | Fax: +44-1332-295525 | WWW: www.obobo.demon.co.uk | \------------------------------------+----------------------------------------/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 15 09:26:37 1997 Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 09:18:56 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@napier.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM games In-Reply-To: <20602102BF4@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1042 Lines: 23 On Tue, 13 May 1997, Dave Hooper wrote: > > I've got the idea of the style of game I would love to play. It's just > > that I don't even know where to start (or have time myself). Maybe I > > should have a look at my comp grafix lecture notes and see if I can get a > > rotating cube to start with, or something.. > > Well, wot sorta game do you want? Rotating cubes are a pice of piess, > as long as yr talking wireframe... but make for a dull game. In fact, > any game involving cubes is probably pretty dull. I said to start with cubes. Advancing to to multifacited, anti-aliased polygons that look like it was done on 3D Studio. :) -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 15 10:35:59 1997 Message-ID: <337ACCD1.6750@rflect.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 09:44:01 +0100 From: Wayne Coles Organization: reflections software X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: KABOOM! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 254 Lines: 9 Si Owen wrote: > Er... is it like a 1 player Eric and the Floaters? (from the Spectrum) No, its like a FIVE player Eric and the Floaters (with (it has to be said) fantastic graphics and music (the code isn`t too bad either)). (a rather modest) Wayne. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 15 14:37:33 1997 Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 14:17:38 +0100 From: D.M.Zambonini@cs.cf.ac.uk (D M Zambonini) Message-Id: <199705151317.OAA02975@gawain.cs.cf.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: KABOOM! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: GW/LMlwN66M58G5SpgO8Eg== Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 393 Lines: 15 > No, its like a FIVE player Eric and the Floaters (with (it has to be > said) fantastic graphics and music (the code isn`t too bad either)). > > (a rather modest) > Wayne. > It must be said at this point that DynaBlasters is one of the all-time best games in existance, and everybody should rush out and buy a copy of KABOOM right now.... DMZ --- [ Do I get any money for saying this? ] From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 15 17:49:31 1997 Message-ID: <337B1894.5F3D@rflect.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 15:07:16 +0100 From: Wayne Coles Organization: reflections software X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: KABOOM! References: <199705151317.OAA02975@gawain.cs.cf.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 394 Lines: 15 D M Zambonini wrote: > It must be said at this point that DynaBlasters is one of the all-time > best games in existance, and everybody should rush out and buy a copy > of KABOOM right now.... > > DMZ > --- > > [ Do I get any money for saying this? ] You know I was thinking about it and then I noticed you forget the exclamation mark on the end of KABOOM! (<< see?), tsk, eh?? :-) Wayne. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 15 17:49:31 1997 From: The Mad Goose Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 17:25:56 GMT+0 Subject: What's up your pipeline? X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <5155250B37@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 614 Lines: 18 I seem to always be asking this question and never getting any response... What's in the pipeline for release on the SAM in the next year? Is there any new games/utiltiites/bits of hardware etc. or is Kaboom! the final piece? Any information would be greatly appreciated. Also, any news on this SuperSAM thing that we spent so much time talking about or has it died in the water now? If anybody could answer either of these qusetion I'd be very grateful. Thanks in advance... Johnna Pig Teare (JohnnaPig@deathsdoor.com) JohnnaPig OnLine (www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna) "I'm one card short of a full deck." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 16 13:26:58 1997 From: Stephen Harding Message-Id: <199705161315.NAA31786@BITS.bris.ac.uk> Subject: Re: The line of pipe. To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no (sam users) Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 13:15:43 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1445 Lines: 38 > I seem to always be asking this question and never getting any > response... I know the feeling... Thats the big problem with this media, we are all isolated yet together. > What's in the pipeline for release on the SAM in the next year? Is > there any new games/utiltiites/bits of hardware etc. or is Kaboom! > the final piece? > > Any information would be greatly appreciated. Of course it won't be the last piece of software for the SAM! I personaly am working on something I have mentioned once or twice on this list, SAMfighter - a beat-em-up. I won't try to make excuses for why I haven't finished it yet, but it will definitely be ready within a year! I am now aiming to polish it up for the end of the summer hols! I cannot do it now due to dem-dam exams. I believe I put a quick introduction to it on a web page, try something along the lines of: http://bits.bris.ac.uk/numbly If I where you, I'd sent a nice letter to the bods at Persona. FRED isn't the only fish net in the sea!(?) I understand that Persona have a number of things in their pipeline, and may already be stocking some decent stuff you may not even be aware of! And Perhaps you are asking the wrong question, it is not just a case of 'What will other people release into the SAM world', why not develop and work on a pet project of your own? It is not that hard if it is what you want to do. E-Mail me. C9, Numbly. -It IS the 'year of the SAM' ya-know! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun May 18 08:38:08 1997 Message-Id: <199705180637.IAA19025@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: What's up your pipeline? Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 08:39:02 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 793 Lines: 23 > Van: The Mad Goose > Aan: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Onderwerp: What's up your pipeline? > Datum: Thursday, May 15, 1997 7:25 > > What's in the pipeline for release on the SAM in the next year? Is > there any new games/utiltiites/bits of hardware etc. or is Kaboom! > the final piece? > Martijn Groen is almost ready with the ZX81 emulator, it wil load ZX81 .tap files from Samdos and MSdos disks, there are a few minor bugs in it that have to be solved (like the basic command "SCROLL") and he is working on a tapeloader to load ZX81 proggies from tape. We are working on a sort of shoot-em up, but that game has a long way to go, so I won't give you details yet :) Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Hentai Oranda has kicked the bucket From imc Mon May 19 11:18:12 1997 Subject: Re: .sna Speccy snapshots To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 11:18:12 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Justin Skists" at May 6, 97 04:41:43 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 394 Lines: 11 > > On Tue, 6 May 1997 10:15:44 +0100 (BST), Justin Skists said: > > > Ian: Where can I get a copy of the keyboard-mapped speccy ROMs? Well it took me long enough, but you can now find it in the directory http://www.comlab.ox.ac.uk/oucl/users/ian.collier/Misc/ under the name 48k.key.rom . I guess Allan could have used this for spectrum mode instead of implementing spectrum keys. :-) imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 19 11:33:49 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <8052.199705191027@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Wibble To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no (sam-users) Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 11:27:20 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 89 Lines: 6 Hi, Er - this list is alive, isn't it? I haven't suddenly dropped off into limbo? Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 19 12:04:23 1997 Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 11:55:55 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@napier.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: .sna Speccy snapshots In-Reply-To: <9705191018.AA26854@gruffle.comlab.ox.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1051 Lines: 26 On Mon, 19 May 1997, Ian Collier wrote: > > > On Tue, 6 May 1997 10:15:44 +0100 (BST), Justin Skists said: > > > > Ian: Where can I get a copy of the keyboard-mapped speccy ROMs? > > Well it took me long enough, but you can now find it in the directory > http://www.comlab.ox.ac.uk/oucl/users/ian.collier/Misc/ > under the name 48k.key.rom . > > I guess Allan could have used this for spectrum mode instead of > implementing spectrum keys. :-) Thanks! I'll have to look at it.. :) ACK!!! I've just remembered. I haven't uploaded that SNA-RUNner yet. Damn. It's at home on a disk... James: I've got those .SNA's that you wanted on the disk aswell.. -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From imc Mon May 19 12:16:14 1997 Subject: Re: .sna Speccy snapshots To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 12:16:15 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Justin Skists" at May 19, 97 11:55:55 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 850 Lines: 17 On Mon, 19 May 1997 11:55:55 +0100 (BST), Justin Skists said: > Thanks! I'll have to look at it.. :) I suppose I should tell you about the keyboard map, really. :-) Delete, edit and so on are obvious. TAB maps to the same as INV, for historical reasons. Esc maps to space, since I couldn't think of anything better. Control maps to Extended-mode. Either shift with the number keys is equivalent to symbol shift (this means that caps shift plus 1 gives !, for example, like it does on the Sam, instead of pressing Edit and erasing your whole input line). The numeric keypad maps to ordinary numbers, but this time either shift gives you Caps shift, so symbol shift with keypad-9 gives graphics mode (this is just about the only caps shift number you need, since the others have their own keys on the keyboard). That's probably about it. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 19 13:52:25 1997 From: The Mad Goose Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 13:43:17 GMT+0 Subject: And from here I go... X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 629 Lines: 18 Hello, Seeing as this list is so quiet at the mo' I thought I'd take up a little bit of bandwidth to say goodbye for the summer. Uni is at an end and it's time for me to go home and earn a living until September. Good luck with all Sam projects over the summer - I doubt I'll return in September to the imminent announcement of the release of SAMSon, but there you go, such is the rich tapestry of life. Have a good summer everybody. And one final question - how the hell do I unsubscribe?! Johnna Pig Teare (JohnnaPig@deathsdoor.com) JohnnaPig OnLine (www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna) "I'm one card short of a full deck." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 19 14:48:14 1997 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: And from here I go... References: X-Mammoth-Status: Aware From: Uncle Bulgaria Date: 19 May 1997 14:18:53 +0100 In-Reply-To: The Mad Goose's message of Mon, 19 May 1997 13:43:17 GMT+0 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.53/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 460 Lines: 16 The Mad Goose writes: > And one final question - how the hell do I unsubscribe?! > send a message to sam-users-request with unsubscribe your@email_address in the body. -- 'Nerds remind me of musicians ... in my experience, both nerds and musicians are ardent, passionate and such good fun in the sack that if the government knew about it they'd lock them up' - M.Bywater *Lee Willis - Musician and Software Engineering Student.* From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 19 19:30:53 1997 From: Gavin Smith Organization: University of Ulster To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 19:38:30 GMT Subject: Its all a pile of shite X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <143BD3D26FD@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 267 Lines: 10 Well, I've just done my first exam, Systems Analysis, and then I went to the Union to get drunk. Erm, so I' drunk now. JUst thought I'd share that with you. I've failed. Anyone want to employ me? I'm really good honest. *pukes* *off for more drink* bye, Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 19 19:48:03 1997 Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 19:44:42 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@napier.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Its all a pile of shite In-Reply-To: <143BD3D26FD@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 826 Lines: 18 On Mon, 19 May 1997, Gavin Smith wrote: > Well, I've just done my first exam, Systems Analysis, and then I went > to the Union to get drunk. Erm, so I' drunk now. JUst thought I'd > share that with you. I've failed. Anyone want to employ me? I'm > really good honest. SYSTEM'S ANALISYS!!???!!! SSADM and the crap????? I got 11% for that in the 2nd year. I would employ you on the basis that you DID fail it (if you had)... -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 19 21:00:31 1997 Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 20:57:47 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@puce.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Its all a pile of shite In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 616 Lines: 17 On Mon, 19 May 1997, Justin Skists wrote: > ANALISYS!!???!!! 'nuff said :) Andrew +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Second Law Of Thermodynamics: | Andrew Collier, 1A NatSci | | If you think things are in a | email asc25@hermes.cam.ac.uk | | mess now, just you wait.... | Selwyn College, Cambridge | +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | See Gloucester show photos at http://brain.sel.cam.ac.uk/~asc25 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 20 10:56:08 1997 Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 05:43:43 EDT From: "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Its all a pile of shite Message-Id: <19970520094400Z49295-260+8113@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1458 Lines: 56 Date: 1997-05-20 10:41 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Subject: Welcome] Hi, "Gavin Smith" You have now been added as a subscriber to 'REAL-LIFE'. You are subscriber number 3047, and your address is recorded as: "Gavin Smith" If this is not correct, you may send the following command to update it in all subscribed lists: CHANGE "Gavin Smith" TO You can unsubscribe from this list at any time by sending an 'UNSUBSCRIBE REAL-LIFE' command. If you send the request from a different hostname, you will need to say: UNSUBSCRIBE REAL-LIFE AS "Gavin Smith" To find out what lists you are subscribing to, use the 'WHICH' command. For a list of all available commands, give a 'HELP' command. Enjoy] ---------- From: I7207445 To: NYOUNG1 Subject: Its all a pile of shite Date: 20 May 1997 08:34 MSG:FROM: I7207445--IBMMAIL TO: NYOUNG1 --RLLAN1 19/05/97 19:38:18 From: "Gavin Smith" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 19:38:30 GMT Subject: Its all a pile of shite Well, I've just done my first exam, Systems Analysis, and then I went to the Union to get drunk. Erm, so I' drunk now. JUst thought I'd share that with you. I've failed. Anyone want to employ me? I'm really good honest. *pukes* *off for more drink* bye, Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 20 11:38:51 1997 From: James R Curry Organization: De Montfort University To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 11:23:42 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: KABOOM! In-reply-to: <337B1894.5F3D@rflect.demon.co.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.53/R1) Message-ID: <2D3475E1D@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 445 Lines: 13 > You know I was thinking about it and then I noticed you forget the > exclamation mark on the end of KABOOM! (<< see?), tsk, eh?? :-) He probably left it off in the interests of good taste.. ;) -- James R Curry hc95jc@dmu.ac.uk "Bart! With $10,000, we'd be millionaires! We could buy all kinds of useful things like... love!" - Homer Simpson, the Simpsons. The official James R Curry web page is under construction! Stand by. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 20 11:39:00 1997 From: James R Curry Organization: De Montfort University To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 11:32:55 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Its all a pile of shite References: <143BD3D26FD@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.53/R1) Message-ID: <2FA6235C2@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 754 Lines: 20 > > Well, I've just done my first exam, Systems Analysis, and then I went > > to the Union to get drunk. Erm, so I' drunk now. JUst thought I'd > > share that with you. I've failed. Anyone want to employ me? I'm > > really good honest. > > SYSTEM'S ANALISYS!!???!!! SSADM and the crap????? I got 11% for that in > the 2nd year. I would employ you on the basis that you DID fail it (if > you had)... Agreed. It's the biggest pile of smouldering dog droppings in this entire universe. Or something. -- James R Curry hc95jc@dmu.ac.uk "Bart! With $10,000, we'd be millionaires! We could buy all kinds of useful things like... love!" - Homer Simpson, the Simpsons. The official James R Curry web page is under construction! Stand by. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 20 11:58:26 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970520114412.009f79e8@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 11:44:12 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Damon Hill Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 4249 Lines: 93 Hi everyone, In the long list of reasons why BOAI is late, I think this is possibly the best one yet: Forget computer crashes. This one's better. Driving along the M63 towards Manchester, reached junction 2. My second time ever on a motorway, and up until now it's going cool. No problems whatsoever. Traffic is free-flowing at a nice 70mph. I'm happy. Check the mirrors. Car behind me (white one), car in the lane to the right, a slight way back. I'm happy - if anything goes wrong, I can perhaps nudge into the right-hand lane just in case. Look back to the road. In less than a second, all of the lights of the cars ahead of me (about 6 or 7 of them) turn bright red, burning into my retina. Maria shouts "brake!" - but my foot's already on the pedal. Press it about 1/8th of its full travel. [Maria thinks: I would have pressed it harder, but we'll stop in time]. [I think: I don't want to press it too hard, or I'll lock the wheels at this speed and we'll get hurt]. I feel the car swing out from under me - but I'm still holding the steering wheel straight ahead. The car swings out left at a terrifying speed. We're in the left-hand lane, the car's now travelling at about 60mph. The world spins around. We're heading for the barrier. [Maria thinks: Oh. It's a barrier. I've never hit a motorway barrier before] [I think: Right - do you turn into a skid? If so, do I turn left? Which way's into a skid? Shit - if I get this wrong I'm going to kill us. I'll just keep us pointing straight and hope]. We hit the barrier, driver's side of the front of the car crumples. The bumper is torn off. Somehow, the car flies up and over onto its roof. We skid down the road for about 50m, still travelling at high speed. [Maria thinks: I've never been upside down in a car before. Interesting.] [I think: That's odd, I can see the tarmac through the roof above my head. It shouldn't be a brown colour?] (I was, it would seem, looking through the sunroof) The windows blow out, the roof crumples. I think I've killed Maria, or that I'm going to die. Either way, only the exploding windows bring home how deadly this all is. The car stops. I look over at Maria. Apparently I'm saying over and over "Oh God I'm so sorry. Are you alright?". One of the most wonderful sounds in the world is Maria saying that she's okay. Someone comes up to the car to help us out. Maria undoes her seatbelt, and climbs out of her door. (After bumping her head on what is now the floor). I get out through the back window, saying "I can't see!!!", as my glasses are nowhere to be found. We get out; I cut my finger badly and graze my elbow on the glass as I clamber through the rear of the car. Maria's okay, so we hug and I go back for our coats and my glasses. The ambulance drivers are incredulous, saying "And you claim that you just got out of ***THAT***????". We've got hardly a scratch between us. The moral of this story? Wear your seatbelt. They save lives. And be careful when you're driving on the M63 - between junction 1 and junction 2, the M62 feeds onto the M63 at very high speed. The M602 also gets involved somewhere here. I'd need to check a map. The traffic can slow catastrophically (as I proved), and sometimes there's nothing you can do about it. Avoid it if you can. If you're driving around there, and see a pair of skid-marks on the road, and a large dent in the barrier, think about what happened there. postscript: Maria checked the car out yesterday to get her personal affects from it, while I was doing a driving lesson to get me back behind the wheel -- otherwise I'd probably have never driven again. The driver's side is the one with the most damage -- it doesn't look like a Lada any more. It looks nicely sculpted. We shouldn't have been able to climb out of that alive, never mind with the slight cuts and bruises we did get. The roof on the driver's side, apparently (I've not seen it yet - I've got a motorway lesson next week, so I'm not allowed to see it until then)... Well, let's put it this way: the roof is now at shoulder level on me. God knows how I got out of there. But I think if I buy a car in this country it's going to be either a Lada or a Volvo. They're the safest cars you can get. Si Cooke From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 20 12:04:51 1997 Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 12:01:00 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Walker X-Sender: csuan@holly To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Damon Hill In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970520114412.009f79e8@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 237 Lines: 11 On Tue, 20 May 1997, Simon Cooke wrote: > In the long list of reasons why BOAI is late, I think this is possibly the > best one yet: > Forget computer crashes. This one's better. [chomp!] Ye gods. Just glad you're both okay...! Paul From imc Tue May 20 12:05:30 1997 Subject: Re: Damon Hill To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 12:05:30 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970520114412.009f79e8@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> from "Simon Cooke" at May 20, 97 11:44:12 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 136 Lines: 6 On Tue, 20 May 1997 11:44:12 +0100, Simon Cooke said: > The moral of this story? Drive a safe distance behind the cars in front? imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 20 12:11:26 1997 Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 12:05:38 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@lagrange.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Damon Hill In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 720 Lines: 22 On Tue, 20 May 1997, Paul Walker wrote: > On Tue, 20 May 1997, Simon Cooke wrote: > > > In the long list of reasons why BOAI is late, I think this is possibly the > > best one yet: > > Forget computer crashes. This one's better. > [chomp!] > > Ye gods. Just glad you're both okay...! *gulps as he read all that* Me too. -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 20 13:09:46 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970520122534.009febb0@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 12:25:34 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Damon Hill In-Reply-To: <9705201105.AA09763@gruffle.comlab.ox.ac.uk> References: <3.0.1.32.19970520114412.009f79e8@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 606 Lines: 20 At 12:05 PM 5/20/97 +0100, you wrote: >Status: > >On Tue, 20 May 1997 11:44:12 +0100, Simon Cooke said: >> The moral of this story? > >Drive a safe distance behind the cars in front? Oh, we were. Touching the brakes the way that I did shouldn't have had that affect, and both Maria and my driving instructor for yesterday's "Get back behind the wheel" lesson said that I could have hit the brakes a lot harder than that. Looks like a mechanical failure or we hit a patch of diesel or oil. But we /were/ driving a safe distance behind the cars in front. I don't fuck around when I'm driving. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 20 13:09:46 1997 Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 07:28:09 EDT From: "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Damon Hill Message-Id: <19970520115640Z49413-260+8156@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 763 Lines: 34 Date: 1997-05-20 12:30 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 11:44:12 +0100 >To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >From: Simon Cooke >Subject: Damon Hill > >Hi everyone, > >In the long list of reasons why BOAI is late, I think this is possibly the >best one yet: > >Forget computer crashes. This one's better. Been there, done that, got the tee shirt. Having more lessons? What a wimp. In my day we just Nev. Who once rescued the number plate while the rest of the car was swept up and totaled a car every 8-9 months for about 5 years. ps. did you notice how quiet it was and how calm you felt once you knew death was certain. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 20 13:09:46 1997 From: James R Curry Organization: De Montfort University To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 12:14:04 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Damon Hill References: In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.53/R1) Message-ID: <3AA4E4FFA@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 574 Lines: 20 > > > In the long list of reasons why BOAI is late, I think this is possibly the > > > best one yet: > > > Forget computer crashes. This one's better. > > [chomp!] > > > > Ye gods. Just glad you're both okay...! > > *gulps as he read all that* > > Me too. Ouch.. That sounded VERY nasty. I'm glad to hear you're okay, too. -- James R Curry hc95jc@dmu.ac.uk "Bart! With $10,000, we'd be millionaires! We could buy all kinds of useful things like... love!" - Homer Simpson, the Simpsons. The official James R Curry web page is under construction! Stand by. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 20 13:30:08 1997 Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 08:24:10 EDT From: "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Damon Hill Message-Id: <19970520122437Z49307-260+8200@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 727 Lines: 26 Date: 1997-05-20 13:27 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 12:25:34 +0100 >To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >From: Simon Cooke >Subject: Re: Damon Hill > But we /were/ driving a safe distance behind the cars in front. Obviously not. A safe distance is NOT 2 seconds. That only works when everything is ok. Safe should also take into account the unusual like: brakes failing, tyres blowing, things falling off lorry in front, oil/wet/icy patches. Still as we all know (me included) some 85% of us are better than average drivers ?@? Now the REAL pain is doing the insurance claim bit and don't make a habit of it. ok. Nev From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 20 13:48:07 1997 Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 14:34:13 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9705201234.AA24687@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Damon Hill X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 461 Lines: 11 > Oh, we were. Touching the brakes the way that I did shouldn't have had that > affect, and both Maria and my driving instructor for yesterday's "Get back > behind the wheel" lesson said that I could have hit the brakes a lot harder > than that. > > Looks like a mechanical failure or we hit a patch of diesel or oil. Let me recapitulate....I though I saw 70mhp and Lada mentioned in the same context? And now I see 'mechnaical failure'...hmmm... :) -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 20 14:13:22 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970520140319.00fe1e70@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 14:03:19 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Damon Hill In-Reply-To: <19970520115640Z49413-260+8156@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 280 Lines: 9 At 07:28 AM 5/20/97 EDT, you wrote: >ps. did you notice how quiet it was and how calm you felt once you knew >death was certain. Yeah... well, apart from the fact that I didn't feel that we were going to die, but yeah -- you do get a lot of mulling-over time, don't you? Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 20 14:13:22 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970520140414.00fdfbe8@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 14:04:14 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Damon Hill In-Reply-To: <19970520122437Z49307-260+8200@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 398 Lines: 13 At 08:24 AM 5/20/97 EDT, you wrote: >> But we /were/ driving a safe distance behind the cars in front. > >Obviously not. >A safe distance is NOT 2 seconds. That only works when everything is ok. >Safe should also take into account the unusual like: >brakes failing, tyres blowing, things falling off lorry in front, > oil/wet/icy patches. I was about 4/5 seconds behind the cars in front. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 20 16:32:15 1997 Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 16:17:37 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@blue.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Damon Hill In-Reply-To: <3AA4E4FFA@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 943 Lines: 26 On Tue, 20 May 1997, James R Curry wrote: > > > Ye gods. Just glad you're both okay...! > > *gulps as he read all that* > > Me too. > Ouch.. That sounded VERY nasty. I'm glad to hear you're okay, too. Seconded. (Or fourthed, or whatever) And unlike some other people I'm NOT about to jump to conclusions or rudely try to rub it in by talking about what might or might not have caused the accident. Nev. I am glad you're alright. Andrew +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Second Law Of Thermodynamics: | Andrew Collier, 1A NatSci | | If you think things are in a | email asc25@hermes.cam.ac.uk | | mess now, just you wait.... | Selwyn College, Cambridge | +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | See Gloucester show photos at http://brain.sel.cam.ac.uk/~asc25 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 20 17:22:45 1997 Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 11:40:03 EDT From: "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Damon Hill Message-Id: <19970520160718Z49414-260+8286@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 877 Lines: 34 Date: 1997-05-20 16:43 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 16:17:37 +0100 (BST) >From: Andrew Collier >To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >Subject: Re: Damon Hill > >On Tue, 20 May 1997, James R Curry wrote: > >> > > Ye gods. Just glad you're both okay...] >> > *gulps as he read all that* >> > Me too. >> Ouch.. That sounded VERY nasty. I'm glad to hear you're okay, too. > >Seconded. (Or fourthed, or whatever) > >And unlike some other people I'm NOT about to jump to conclusions or >rudely try to rub it in by talking about what might or might not have >caused the accident. Nev. I weren't being rude. but then I don't care what you think. Simon got the point and that's all that matters to me. > >I am glad you're alright. Well that was obvious wasn't it. > > >Andrew Nev From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 20 17:22:45 1997 Message-Id: <199705201609.SAA16994@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: Damon Hill Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 18:10:26 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 802 Lines: 23 > Van: Simon Cooke > Aan: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Onderwerp: Damon Hill > Datum: Tuesday, May 20, 1997 12:44 > > Hi everyone, > > In the long list of reasons why BOAI is late, I think this is possibly the > best one yet: > > Forget computer crashes. This one's better. You are a very lucky man Simon, I had a similar kind of accident almost 8 years ago but I managed to get the car skid along the barrier instead of crashing into and bouncing back onto the always very crowded A4*. Most drivers and/or passengers aren't that lucky on a high speed accident at the highway (and I have seen a few during those years that I am driving). Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Hentai Oranda has kicked the bucket *the A4 in Holland (Amsterdam to Den Haag) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 20 18:42:08 1997 From: Gavin Smith Organization: University of Ulster To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 18:48:15 GMT Subject: Re: Its all a pile of shite X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <15AE7AE3F6E@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 695 Lines: 16 > > > Well, I've just done my first exam, Systems Analysis, and then I went > > > to the Union to get drunk. Erm, so I' drunk now. JUst thought I'd > > > share that with you. I've failed. Anyone want to employ me? I'm > > > really good honest. > > > > SYSTEM'S ANALISYS!!???!!! SSADM and the crap????? I got 11% for that in > > the 2nd year. I would employ you on the basis that you DID fail it (if > > you had)... > > Agreed. It's the biggest pile of smouldering dog droppings in this > entire universe. Or something. I've forwarded this mail onto my lecturer, as a valid excuse for not revising. Thanks James. Gavin (with a severe hangover and Database exam tomorrow morning...) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 20 19:01:09 1997 Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 18:54:03 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@lagrange.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Its all a pile of shite In-Reply-To: <15AE7AE3F6E@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 584 Lines: 14 On Tue, 20 May 1997, Gavin Smith wrote: > Gavin (with a severe hangover and Database exam tomorrow morning...) ^^^^^^^^ You do pick them, don't you.. -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 21 11:43:05 1997 Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 11:32:34 +0100 From: D.M.Zambonini@cs.cf.ac.uk (D M Zambonini) Message-Id: <199705211032.LAA18497@owain.cs.cf.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Damon Hill Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: S8oWbipspTLSXX9xJ6Q99w== Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 291 Lines: 12 > >> > > Ye gods. Just glad you're both okay...] > >> > *gulps as he read all that* > >> > Me too. > >> Ouch.. That sounded VERY nasty. I'm glad to hear you're okay, too. > > > >Seconded. (Or fourthed, or whatever) Fifteened. You are a very lucky man... glad to hear you're OK. DMZ --- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 21 13:43:53 1997 Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 13:26:08 +0100 (BST) From: Tim Paveley To: Sam Users Mailing List Subject: Web Pages... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 549 Lines: 17 Hi, Just a short note incase anyone has been trying to look at my Sam Web pages (the ones at mono.org) mono.org's main server went down about 6pm last night, to be fitted into a new case, the scheduled down time was about 2hours. In an attempt to stick with tradition, it's still not up :) Tim ....@/ .........................................................................@/ Unc - Tim Paveley - http://dplinux.sund.ac.uk/~unc/ Staff of the Monochrome BBS - http://www.mono.org/ Owner of a Sam Coupe - http://www.mono.org/~unc/Coupe/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 22 10:18:03 1997 Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 05:12:37 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970522051236_-163103405@emout11.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Its all a pile of shite Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 626 Lines: 18 In a message dated 20/05/97 12:06:37, you write: >> > Well, I've just done my first exam, Systems Analysis, and then I went >> > to the Union to get drunk. Erm, so I' drunk now. JUst thought I'd >> > share that with you. I've failed. Anyone want to employ me? I'm >> > really good honest. >> >> SYSTEM'S ANALISYS!!???!!! SSADM and the crap????? I got 11% for that in >> the 2nd year. I would employ you on the basis that you DID fail it (if >> you had)... > >Agreed. It's the biggest pile of smouldering dog droppings in this >entire universe. Or something. Rubbish, that title is reserved for Windows 95. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 22 10:27:45 1997 Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 10:22:25 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@napier.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Its all a pile of shite In-Reply-To: <970522051236_-163103405@emout11.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1160 Lines: 27 On Thu, 22 May 1997 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 20/05/97 12:06:37, you write: > > >> > Well, I've just done my first exam, Systems Analysis, and then I went > >> > to the Union to get drunk. Erm, so I' drunk now. JUst thought I'd > >> > share that with you. I've failed. Anyone want to employ me? I'm > >> > really good honest. > >> > >> SYSTEM'S ANALISYS!!???!!! SSADM and the crap????? I got 11% for that in > >> the 2nd year. I would employ you on the basis that you DID fail it (if > >> you had)... > > > >Agreed. It's the biggest pile of smouldering dog droppings in this > >entire universe. Or something. > > Rubbish, that title is reserved for Windows 95. Noooo waaay... Compared to CASE and other SDMs, Win95 is paradise!! -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 22 11:01:25 1997 Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 05:53:09 EDT From: "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Its all a pile of shite Message-Id: <19970522095321Z49179-260+10297@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 970 Lines: 33 Date: 1997-05-22 10:44 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 05:12:37 -0400 (EDT) >From: BrenchleyR@aol.com >To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >Subject: Re: Its all a pile of shite > >In a message dated 20/05/97 12:06:37, you write: > >>> > Well, I've just done my first exam, Systems Analysis, and then I went >>> > to the Union to get drunk. Erm, so I' drunk now. JUst thought I'd >>> > share that with you. I've failed. Anyone want to employ me? I'm >>> > really good honest. >>> >>> SYSTEM'S ANALISYS]]???]]] SSADM and the crap????? I got 11% for that in >>> the 2nd year. I would employ you on the basis that you DID fail it (if >>> you had)... >> >>Agreed. It's the biggest pile of smouldering dog droppings in this >>entire universe. Or something. > >Rubbish, that title is reserved for Windows 95. > > >Bob. There writes a man who as obviously /never/ had to use SSADM. I have :-( nev. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 22 11:19:23 1997 Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 12:02:50 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9705221002.AA26352@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: RE: Its all a pile of shite X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 140 Lines: 9 > There writes a man who as obviously /never/ had to use SSADM. > I have :-( Has SSADM got anything to do with WWII? -Frode > > nev. > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 22 12:15:42 1997 Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 12:02:14 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@napier.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: RE: Its all a pile of shite In-Reply-To: <19970522095321Z49179-260+10297@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 810 Lines: 17 On Thu, 22 May 1997, YOUNG, Neville / IT Life wrote: > There writes a man who as obviously /never/ had to use SSADM. > I have :-( Select SSADM is the most unusable, non-standard, Windows package in the entire existance. Every other Windows package follow some sort of guidelines such as 'F1' always being 'help'. If I remember rightly, Select SSADM does the complete opposite... (Well, the version I used did) -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 22 12:35:03 1997 Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 07:16:45 EDT From: "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Its all a pile of shite Message-Id: <19970522111704Z49198-260+10382@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 424 Lines: 19 Date: 1997-05-22 11:57 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 12:02:50 +0200 >From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) >To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >Subject: RE: Its all a pile of shite > >> There writes a man who as obviously /never/ had to use SSADM. >> I have :-( > >Has SSADM got anything to do with WWII? Caused it (probably). > > -Frode nev From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 22 12:35:03 1997 Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 12:17:59 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Walker X-Sender: csuan@lily To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: RE: Its all a pile of shite In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 533 Lines: 13 On Thu, 22 May 1997, Justin Skists wrote: > guidelines such as 'F1' always being 'help'. If I remember rightly, > Select SSADM does the complete opposite... (Well, the version I used did) What - you mean that F1 tells you to go away and work it out yourself? ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ----- Any unsolicited commercial emails received will be proofread and returned to source, along with a bill for 150UKP. Sending such emails to my account will be deemed acceptance of these terms. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 22 12:55:48 1997 Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 12:34:21 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@napier.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: RE: Its all a pile of shite In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 841 Lines: 23 On Thu, 22 May 1997, Paul Walker wrote: > On Thu, 22 May 1997, Justin Skists wrote: > > > guidelines such as 'F1' always being 'help'. If I remember rightly, > > Select SSADM does the complete opposite... (Well, the version I used did) > > > What - you mean that F1 tells you to go away and work it out yourself? *laughs* Something like that, yes.. :) I meant that SSADM doesn't follow the same rules as most Windows packages.. -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 22 13:19:30 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <29132.199705221212@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Its all a pile of shite To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 13:12:17 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Justin Skists" at May 22, 97 12:34:21 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 136 Lines: 6 > I meant that SSADM doesn't follow the same rules as most Windows packages.. Forgive the ignorance, but what is SSADM anyway?! Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 22 13:53:35 1997 From: James R Curry Organization: De Montfort University To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 13:46:40 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Its all a pile of shite In-reply-to: <29132.199705221212@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> References: from "Justin Skists" at May 22, 97 12:34:21 pm X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.53/R1) Message-ID: <1D46341E91@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 431 Lines: 14 > > I meant that SSADM doesn't follow the same rules as most Windows packages.. > > Forgive the ignorance, but what is SSADM anyway?! Satan's most fiendish and diabolical creation... -- James R Curry hc95jc@dmu.ac.uk "Bart! With $10,000, we'd be millionaires! We could buy all kinds of useful things like... love!" - Homer Simpson, the Simpsons. The official James R Curry web page is under construction! Stand by. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 22 14:01:19 1997 Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 13:55:52 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@napier.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Its all a pile of shite In-Reply-To: <29132.199705221212@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 798 Lines: 18 On Thu, 22 May 1997, Mr P R Walker wrote: > > > I meant that SSADM doesn't follow the same rules as most Windows packages.. > > Forgive the ignorance, but what is SSADM anyway?! It is a CASE tool. (Computer Aided Software Engineering). It's a load of formal diagrams for building business systems. It's really formal and really boring. And it takes out all the creative flare out of programming. -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 22 15:48:29 1997 Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 10:21:06 EDT From: "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Its all a pile of shite Message-Id: <19970522143806Z49157-260+10740@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1255 Lines: 35 Date: 1997-05-22 15:18 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 13:55:52 +0100 (BST) >From: Justin Skists >To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >Subject: Re: Its all a pile of shite > >On Thu, 22 May 1997, Mr P R Walker wrote: > >> >> > I meant that SSADM doesn't follow the same rules as most Windows >packages.. >> >> Forgive the ignorance, but what is SSADM anyway?] > >It is a CASE tool. (Computer Aided Software Engineering). It's a load of >formal diagrams for building business systems. It's really formal and >really boring. And it takes out all the creative flare out of programming. > Oh no it isn't. There may be a PC package to take the hard work out of it but SSADM has been around since the late 1970s. Originally (I believe) created for controlling the lifecycle of COBOL systems. I remember it was required for any government of military systems in the early 80s. SSADM akshirly stands for Structured Systems Analysis Design Methodology and came in about a dozen 1 inch thick A4 binders. But even on paper it's shite. If the PC package is bad it was prolly designed using it. Nev. (who has enough talent not to need any mythology er methodology I mean) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 22 20:43:01 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <10231.199705221940@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: SSADM To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no (sam-users) Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 20:40:21 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 88 Lines: 5 Hi All, Okay - I get the picture, and if possible I'm going to avoid this thing! Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 23 10:08:08 1997 Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 09:58:24 +0100 (BST) From: Tim Paveley To: Sam Users Mailing List Subject: Gloucester Show Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 403 Lines: 14 Hiya, when's the next Gloucester Show going to be? It's just that GCHQ have offered me a job, so I'm likely to be in the area ;-) ....@/ -{Subtle as a brick} .........................................................................@/ Unc - Tim Paveley - http://dplinux.sund.ac.uk/~unc/ Staff of the Monochrome BBS - http://www.mono.org/ Owner of a Sam Coupe - http://www.mono.org/~unc/Coupe/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun May 25 15:05:13 1997 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 14:59:58 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <31F1F4F2FD1@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 800 Lines: 22 > Has anyone seen this 'tv boy' thing 5 that argos is selling? > It looks like a sega game pad and plugs into the tv, and, basically, > it's an atari vcs with 126-odd games all-in-one. Being quite small > games they all fit quite easily into one rom. I saw it, and it looks a bit sucky - would anyone buy it? Didn't the vcs have some quite-good games? the tv boy games I've seen looked very proto-roadfrog and suchlike. > It just occurred to me that we have stockpiles of the SAM ASIC - > could we do something similar with speccy games? .. it'd cost more, and there'd be fewer games, since each'd be bigger. But if people buy the tv-boy, who knows, maybe they'd buy a spec-boy too. Or whatever. -- me: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/5636/ stuff: http://www.yi.com/home/HooperDave/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun May 25 15:32:27 1997 Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 15:20:01 +0100 (BST) From: Tim Paveley To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: TvBoy - (was: Re: ) In-Reply-To: <31F1F4F2FD1@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1062 Lines: 22 On Sun, 25 May 1997, Dave Hooper wrote: > > Has anyone seen this 'tv boy' thing 5 that argos is selling? > > It looks like a sega game pad and plugs into the tv, and, basically, > > it's an atari vcs with 126-odd games all-in-one. Being quite small > > games they all fit quite easily into one rom. > I saw it, and it looks a bit sucky - would anyone buy it? A friend of mine has one, other than the hassle of trying to connect it to my monitor when he brought it over (ended up using a video player to get the scart connection) it wasn't that bad at all. Some of the games sucked, but some of them were brilliantly simplistic, ie playable. graphics reminded me of vcs, and also some of the mode2 BBC games that we always used to play at school instead of working. I'd be tempted to get one at some point....@/ .........................................................................@/ Unc - Tim Paveley - http://dplinux.sund.ac.uk/~unc/ Staff of the Monochrome BBS - http://www.mono.org/ Owner of a Sam Coupe - http://www.mono.org/~unc/Coupe/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun May 25 17:28:24 1997 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: sskardon@argonet.co.uk (Stewart Skardon) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sun, 25 May 97 16:15:40 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Quiet here.... Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 487 Lines: 23 Why has this list fallen silent all of a sudden? It's not University holidays yet is it? :-) Stewart -- _ (_'tewart email : sskardon@argonet.co.uk ,_)kardon Crashed Magazine - The SAM Coupe and ZX Spectrum Magazine. Crashed WWW Site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon -=O=- Organisers of The Northern SAM and Spectrum Show NSSS WWW Site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/nsss.html From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun May 25 17:37:29 1997 Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 17:29:14 +0100 (BST) From: Tim Paveley To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Quiet here.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 554 Lines: 15 On Sun, 25 May 1997, Stewart Skardon wrote: > Why has this list fallen silent all of a sudden? Blame Me! I sent the last message before the weekend ;) > It's not University holidays yet is it? :-) Urm, hope not! Though some of us have exams... Thought half the people on this list were in the real world anyway? .........................................................................@/ Unc - Tim Paveley - http://dplinux.sund.ac.uk/~unc/ Staff of the Monochrome BBS - http://www.mono.org/ Owner of a Sam Coupe - http://www.mono.org/~unc/Coupe/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun May 25 17:37:29 1997 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 17:31:19 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Quiet here.... X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <321A5497B44@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 371 Lines: 12 > It's not University holidays yet is it? :-) For some it is.. alas not me, but then, I'm supposed to be, I dunno, revising for exams, or something. --dave-- with so many pies around it's a wonder he doesn't run out of fingers eat my face : http://www.geocities.com/Area51/5636/ drink my beer : http://yi.com/home/HooperDave/ pull my leg : no-brain@mindless.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun May 25 17:37:29 1997 To: Stewart Skardon Subject: Re: Quiet here.... Date: Sun, 25 May 97 17:35:20 -0500 From: David Ledbury X-Mailer: E-Mail Connection v2.5.03 CC: "sam-users@nvg.unit.no" Message-Id: <19970525163045Z49174-260+12876@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 924 Lines: 44 -- [ From: David Ledbury * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- -------- REPLY, Original message follows -------- Date: Sunday, 25-May-97 04:15 PM From: Stewart Skardon \ Internet: (sskardon@argonet.co.uk) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no \ Internet: (sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no) Subject: Quiet here.... Why has this list fallen silent all of a sudden? It's not University holidays yet is it? :-) Stewart -- _ (_'tewart email : sskardon@argonet.co.uk ,_)kardon Crashed Magazine - The SAM Coupe and ZX Spectrum Magazine. Crashed WWW Site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon -=O=- Organisers of The Northern SAM and Spectrum Show NSSS WWW Site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/nsss.html -------- REPLY, End of original message -------- Not kidding, mind you the weather's lovely outside today for a change! David L From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun May 25 22:27:41 1997 Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 22:23:24 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@blue.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Quiet here.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 696 Lines: 21 On Sun, 25 May 1997, Stewart Skardon wrote: > Why has this list fallen silent all of a sudden? > > It's not University holidays yet is it? :-) HAH! My future bifurcates on Friday 6th. Andrew +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | Second Law Of Thermodynamics: | Andrew Collier, 1A NatSci | | If you think things are in a | email asc25@hermes.cam.ac.uk | | mess now, just you wait.... | Selwyn College, Cambridge | +-------------------------------------+------------------------------+ | See Gloucester show photos at http://brain.sel.cam.ac.uk/~asc25 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun May 25 22:40:39 1997 Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 22:37:35 +0100 (BST) From: Dave To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Quiet here.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 617 Lines: 19 I think it probably has something to do with the fact that most students currently have exams (Although I prefer to call them "biscuits") to take (I know I do). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Fulton (D.A.Fulton@durham.ac.uk) Trevelyan College, University of Durham. http://www.dur.ac.uk/~d60m3c/ PGP public key available on request. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sun, 25 May 1997, Stewart Skardon wrote: > Why has this list fallen silent all of a sudden? > > It's not University holidays yet is it? :-) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 26 10:57:08 1997 Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 05:49:16 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970526054912_-1096320995@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Gloucester Show Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 226 Lines: 14 In a message dated 23/05/97 09:09:32, you write: >Hiya, > > when's the next Gloucester Show going to be? > > It's just that GCHQ have offered me a job, so I'm likely to be in >the area ;-) > > Sat October 25th 1997. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 26 11:41:56 1997 Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 12:33:11 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9705261033.AA29957@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Gloucester Show X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 260 Lines: 12 > > when's the next Gloucester Show going to be? > > > > It's just that GCHQ have offered me a job, so I'm likely to be in > >the area ;-) > > > > > > Sat October 25th 1997. Would anybody happen to know of a course in the area around that date? :) -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 26 18:18:57 1997 Message-Id: <199705261712.SAA23981@mail.enterprise.net> From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-FTN-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: New files at Dalmation Date: 26 May 1997 17:06:25 Organization: Dalmation enterprises X-newsreader: Spot 1.3 Unregistered X-mailer: NetGate 1.3 (Amiga; TCP/IP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 789 Lines: 29 Hi, New Disk files on Dalmation: SAM ADVENTURE CLUB - Issues 1 - 13 (all) SAM AMATEUR PROGRAMMING & ELECTRONICS Issues 2 - 6 I'll be adding more PD disks soon. These *aren't* TDO files. They are raw data, saved as SIDE1.BIN & SIDE2.BIN, then compressed with ZIP. To get the data back onto formatted SAM disks, it couldn't be easier. Unzip. Save the two .BIN files onto two 720K PC disks. Load a 'customised' version of Stefan's DOS GRAB program on SAM, and the files are read and written to a SAM disk. It's dead easy.. honest. :) I'm also systematically grabbing stuff from the SAM site at NVG. So if people want to spread the word to SAM owners without net access.. Give DALMATION a call - Saturdays 12 noon > 10pm. There are no file ratios. 01744 614150 Bye, Dave Whitmore From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 26 18:40:58 1997 From: Gavin Smith Organization: University of Ulster To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 18:46:31 GMT Subject: Re: New files at Dalmation X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <1EAE2E50009@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 662 Lines: 19 > Hi, > > New Disk files on Dalmation: > > SAM ADVENTURE CLUB - Issues 1 - 13 (all) > > SAM AMATEUR PROGRAMMING & ELECTRONICS Issues 2 - 6 > > I'll be adding more PD disks soon. These *aren't* TDO files. They are raw > data, saved as SIDE1.BIN & SIDE2.BIN, then compressed with ZIP. > > To get the data back onto formatted SAM disks, it couldn't be easier. Unzip. > Save the two .BIN files onto two 720K PC disks. Load a 'customised' version > of Stefan's DOS GRAB program on SAM, and the files are read and written to a > SAM disk. It's dead easy.. honest. :) > Dave Whitmore Great! Any chance of firing these up to NVG? (If they aren't already there). From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 26 18:47:05 1997 From: Gavin Smith Organization: University of Ulster To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 18:53:14 GMT Subject: Its still a pile of shite X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <1EAFF29641B@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 513 Lines: 9 Thought I should update you on my exam progress - I just did my last one today. Overall I think I've passed one easily (Databases), possibly passed one (Prolog), probably failed one (Modula-2), and definitely failed one (Systems Analysis). For the last 5 hours I have been taking advantage of the Union's cheap alcohol exam week. I'm drunk and happy (until the results come out, then I'm kicked out *again*). I love you all. *Staggers off to get more drink* Gavin (after spell checking this mail 5 times) From imc Tue May 27 09:51:36 1997 Subject: Re: Quiet here.... To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 09:51:36 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Andrew Collier" at May 25, 97 10:23:24 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 166 Lines: 6 On Sun, 25 May 1997 22:23:24 +0100 (BST), Andrew Collier said: > My future bifurcates on Friday 6th. Huh? Have you been watching too much Back to the Future? imc From imc Tue May 27 09:52:21 1997 Subject: Re: Quiet here.... To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 09:52:21 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Tim Paveley" at May 25, 97 05:29:14 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 241 Lines: 7 On Sun, 25 May 1997 17:29:14 +0100 (BST), Tim Paveley said: > Urm, hope not! Though some of us have exams... > Thought half the people on this list were in the real world anyway? The ones who have exams are probably the noisiest. :-) imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 27 19:20:21 1997 Message-Id: <199705271812.TAA07839@mail.enterprise.net> From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-FTN-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: New files at Dalmation Date: 27 May 1997 19:07:19 Organization: Dalmation enterprises References: <1EAE2E50009@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> X-newsreader: Spot 1.3 Unregistered X-mailer: NetGate 1.3 (Amiga; TCP/IP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 633 Lines: 23 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no In a message of 26 May 97 Gavin Smith wrote to sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no: Hi Gavin, >> New Disk files on Dalmation: GS> Great! Any chance of firing these up to NVG? (If they aren't already GS> there). AFAIK they aren't on NVG. If I were a student with a free net account I wouldn't think twice, but since these add up to quite a few megabytes, I'll probably let someone else do that. :) Some of the SAP&E's are small though, so if I get time at weekend I'll either send one or two up, or failing that I'll email them onto whoever wants to volunteer to put them on the ftp site. Bye, Dave Whitmore From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 27 20:35:43 1997 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 20:30:14 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: New files at Dalmation X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <354A1CC7680@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 207 Lines: 14 > 01744 614150 And that's where, exactly? Sounds like Guildford. You see, I have this crazy deal with BT, where all my phone calls within 12 km of my phone are free. It's great! -- dave -- not really From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 28 07:18:32 1997 Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 08:13:08 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9705280613.AA11870@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: New files at Dalmation X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 658 Lines: 19 > GS> Great! Any chance of firing these up to NVG? (If they aren't already GS> there). > AFAIK they aren't on NVG. They are not. > > If I were a student with a free net account I wouldn't think twice, but > since these add up to quite a few megabytes, I'll probably let someone else > do that. :) > > Some of the SAP&E's are small though, so if I get time at weekend I'll > either send one or two up, or failing that I'll email them onto whoever > wants to volunteer to put them on the ftp site. I am responsible for the ftp-site. Anybody who has anything they want uploaded can either upload them directly to incoming og mail them to me. -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 28 09:18:04 1997 Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 04:10:31 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970528041029_-263119964@emout19.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Gloucester Show Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 405 Lines: 19 In a message dated 26/05/97 10:35:03, you write: > >> > when's the next Gloucester Show going to be? >> > >> > It's just that GCHQ have offered me a job, so I'm likely to be in >> >the area ;-) >> > >> > >> >> Sat October 25th 1997. > >Would anybody happen to know of a course in the area around that date? :) > > -Frode Wondered how long it would be before you started asking that question :) Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 28 09:33:31 1997 Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 10:22:43 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9705280822.AA12072@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Gloucester Show X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 231 Lines: 12 > >Would anybody happen to know of a course in the area around that date? :) > > > > -Frode > > Wondered how long it would be before you started asking that question :) I try never to disappoint my fans. :) -Frode > > Bob. > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 29 07:13:48 1997 Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 08:10:38 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9705290610.AA13732@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: FTP statistics for 28/05-97 X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 196 Lines: 9 Uploads: /pub/ftp/pub/sam-coupe/incoming/sam-pc.bas /pub/ftp/pub/sam-coupe/incoming/sam-pc.txt Zipped and moved to ./misc/pc/sam-pc.zip. It's a SAM Basic -> ASCII converter for QBASIC. -Frode From imc Thu May 29 09:41:45 1997 Subject: Re: FTP statistics for 28/05-97 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 09:41:45 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <9705290610.AA13732@asmal.edh-net> from "Frode Tenneboe" at May 29, 97 08:10:38 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 195 Lines: 7 On Thu, 29 May 1997 08:10:38 +0200, Frode Tenneboe said: > Zipped and moved to ./misc/pc/sam-pc.zip. It's a SAM Basic -> ASCII > converter for QBASIC. Should I put my Rexx program up? :-) imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 29 09:53:34 1997 Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 10:49:46 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9705290849.AA13969@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: FTP statistics for 28/05-97 X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 268 Lines: 13 > > On Thu, 29 May 1997 08:10:38 +0200, Frode Tenneboe said: > > Zipped and moved to ./misc/pc/sam-pc.zip. It's a SAM Basic -> ASCII > > converter for QBASIC. > > Should I put my Rexx program up? :-) Sure.....there is room for everybody here. -Frode > > imc > From imc Thu May 29 10:25:13 1997 Subject: Re: FTP statistics for 28/05-97 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 10:25:13 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <9705290849.AA13969@asmal.edh-net> from "Frode Tenneboe" at May 29, 97 10:49:46 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 164 Lines: 8 On Thu, 29 May 1997 10:49:46 +0200, Frode Tenneboe said: > > Should I put my Rexx program up? :-) > Sure.....there is room for everybody here. OK, done it. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 29 11:15:10 1997 Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 12:09:30 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9705291009.AA14079@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: FTP statistics for 28/05-97 X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 218 Lines: 10 > On Thu, 29 May 1997 10:49:46 +0200, Frode Tenneboe said: > > > Should I put my Rexx program up? :-) > > > Sure.....there is room for everybody here. > > OK, done it. Moved into ...eh.... ./misc/misc. :) -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 29 16:03:32 1997 Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 10:58:08 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970529105807_2087067835@emout02.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: New files at Dalmation Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 309 Lines: 17 In a message dated 27/05/97 19:32:24, you write: > >> 01744 614150 > >And that's where, exactly? Sounds like Guildford. >You see, I have this crazy deal with BT, where all my phone calls >within 12 km of my phone are free. It's great! > >-- >dave > > How did you manage to wangle that sort of deal? Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 29 18:29:27 1997 Message-Id: <199705291716.SAA23163@mail.enterprise.net> From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-FTN-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: New files at Dalmation Date: 28 May 1997 20:04:45 Organization: Dalmation enterprises References: <354A1CC7680@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> X-newsreader: Spot 1.3 Unregistered X-mailer: NetGate 1.3 (Amiga; TCP/IP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 800 Lines: 28 In a message of 27 May 97 Dave Hooper wrote to sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no: Hi Dave, >> 01744 614150 DH> And that's where, exactly? Sounds like Guildford. You see, I have this Nope - think North West England, west of Manchester, east of Liverpool, north of Warrington, south of Wigan. St Helens, to be exact. DH> crazy deal with BT, where all my phone calls within 12 km of my phone DH> are free. It's great! That's great if your ISP is within 12 km. The local cable company recently pulled the plug on the many who had accounts with Cable ISPs. Some were staying on for the whole weekend 'local free call' period. This went on for a couple of years and I was looking forward to doing it myself, but they haven't cabled our road yet - and it's toooo late. :( boo hoo :) Bye, Dave Whitmore From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 30 13:56:17 1997 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Weather ... X-Mammoth-Status: Aware From: Uncle Bulgaria Date: 30 May 1997 13:49:28 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.55/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 346 Lines: 7 And who ever said SAM users could be coaxed outside by a little bit of sunshine ... -- 'Nerds remind me of musicians ... in my experience, both nerds and musicians are ardent, passionate and such good fun in the sack that if the government knew about it they'd lock them up' - M.Bywater *Lee Willis - Musician and Software Engineering Student.* From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 30 17:10:54 1997 Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 17:02:28 +0100 (BST) From: Dave To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Weather ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 481 Lines: 16 If only it was sunshine - I'm doing exams! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Fulton (D.A.Fulton@durham.ac.uk) Trevelyan College, University of Durham. http://www.dur.ac.uk/~d60m3c/ PGP public key available on request. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On 30 May 1997, Uncle Bulgaria wrote: > And who ever said SAM users could be coaxed outside by a little bit of > sunshine ... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 30 19:53:27 1997 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 19:49:31 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: New files at Dalmation X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <39BF68D1794@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 248 Lines: 14 > How did you manage to wangle that sort of deal? Did you not read the 'only joking' bit? Tsk. -- dave -- I own BT. No really, it's true. I can make free phone calls, FROM anywhere, TO anywhere. I also own the famous American Express company.