From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 2 10:48:10 1997 Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 10:39:59 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Walker X-Sender: csuan@lily To: sam mailing list Subject: Hello Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 473 Lines: 13 Hi All, I refuse to believe that the list can go this dead just because of exams ... what happened to all the fighting? :) What's the next step along the road for the samson, anyway? Or has that been abandoned? ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ----- Any unsolicited commercial emails received will be proofread and returned to source, along with a bill for 150UKP. Sending such emails to my account will be deemed acceptance of these terms. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 2 10:55:08 1997 From: James R Curry Organization: De Montfort University To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 10:49:02 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Hello In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.53/R1) Message-ID: <122579207BA@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 652 Lines: 19 > I refuse to believe that the list can go this dead just because of exams > ... what happened to all the fighting? :) You're all completely wrong. rant. rant. rant. Moan, complain. Xyz is the worst Sam program ever. I think Samsboss is xxxxx. The Samson project should use 10 Z380 chips connected to 100 SRAM boards. Or something. ;) -- James R Curry hc95jc@dmu.ac.uk "Bart! With $10,000, we'd be millionaires! We could buy all kinds of useful things like... love!" - Homer Simpson, the Simpsons. The official James R Curry web page is on hold.. It will get completed, just not right now. :( From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 2 11:03:14 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <3376.199706020957@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Hello To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 10:57:22 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <122579207BA@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> from "James R Curry" at Jun 2, 97 10:49:02 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 785 Lines: 22 > You're all completely wrong. rant. rant. rant. Moan, complain. > Xyz is the worst Sam program ever. I think Samsboss is xxxxx. The > Samson project should use 10 Z380 chips connected to 100 SRAM boards. > Or something. ;) Ah, yes. That sounds familiar. :) What happened to the SRAM board anyway? Did it ever get built? Cookie? How's your accelerator going? Samsboss we'll leave alone for the moment... ;) Worst sam program ever ... there are various contenders. I have to admit to thinking that the "winner" of the fred competition for a text reformatter comes way, way up there. It's slow, it doesn't do a very good job, and it doesn't reformat to the spec that Colin laid down at the start. Other than that... :) What's your worst program, anyway? Anyone else? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 2 11:03:14 1997 Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 10:58:28 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@euler.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Hello In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1053 Lines: 37 On Mon, 2 Jun 1997, Paul Walker wrote: > Hi All, Hi! :) > I refuse to believe that the list can go this dead just because of exams Exams.. Nooooo... Begone evil beings... Those demons to the world... Begone, I command it..... (Only one more final to go) > ... what happened to all the fighting? :) Yeah. I'm missing it. Most of it was funny. What happened to Samsboss, btw?? > What's the next step along the road for the samson, anyway? Or has that > been abandoned? I think that's the general direction of it. :( Shame really, It would've been a nice machine. Oh well. Back to revision and learning C++ (once I've recovered from last night) -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 2 11:08:39 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <4136.199706021005@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Hello To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 11:05:26 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Justin Skists" at Jun 2, 97 10:58:28 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1120 Lines: 30 > Exams.. Nooooo... Begone evil beings... Those demons to the world... > Begone, I command it..... I wish. I've got one at 1:30 today ... at some point, I'm going to have to go and find where it is! (I know the building, but not the room or anything.) > > ... what happened to all the fighting? :) > Yeah. I'm missing it. Most of it was funny. It got a little annoying after a while, but sometimes it could be okay. > What happened to Samsboss, btw?? No idea. Just got fed up, maybe - or if you accept the other theories, maybe the person behind him got fed up with paying for two accounts. :) > > been abandoned? > I think that's the general direction of it. :( Shame really, It would've > been a nice machine. True ... OTOH, I think we could all see that it wouldn't have been built. People on here just fight too much to agree on anything ... the only way it could have been done was for someone to basically just get on and do it, and release SamSON as a finished package. > Oh well. Back to revision and learning C++ (once I've recovered from last > night) What did you get up to last night, then? >:) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 2 11:15:17 1997 Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 11:08:40 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@euler.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Hello In-Reply-To: <3376.199706020957@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 878 Lines: 23 On Mon, 2 Jun 1997, Mr P R Walker wrote: > What's your worst program, anyway? Anyone else? Reblex Word. But that's something I wrote so I don't think it counts. It's a really slow text editor in BASIC which was fine in its day. The code is full of variables such as "afsgfdh" (it really is) and I can never remember all the control keys to make it do stuff. I wrote it before I learned the necessity of readable code. (I knew what each variable did while I was coding it!) -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 2 11:15:17 1997 From: James R Curry Organization: De Montfort University To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 11:06:32 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Hello In-reply-to: <3376.199706020957@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> References: <122579207BA@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> from "James R Curry" at Jun 2, 97 10:49:02 am X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.53/R1) Message-ID: <122A27F0440@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1084 Lines: 30 > Worst sam program ever ... there are various contenders. I have to admit > to thinking that the "winner" of the fred competition for a text reformatter > comes way, way up there. It's slow, it doesn't do a very good job, and it > doesn't reformat to the spec that Colin laid down at the start. > > Other than that... :) > > What's your worst program, anyway? Anyone else? Er.. Worst SAM program.. Well, there has been some truly awful things. How about this one I've just written? The Super Sam Number Guessing game.. 10 PRINT "SUPER SAM NUMBER GUESSING GAME!" 20 PRINT "I'm thing of a number between 1 and 64 billion." 30 PRINT "Take a guess as to what it is." 40 INPUT a 50 PRINT "Sorry, I lied. I wasn't thinking of a number at all." 60 PRINT 70 PRINT "Press any key for another game":PAUSE:RUN -- James R Curry hc95jc@dmu.ac.uk "Bart! With $10,000, we'd be millionaires! We could buy all kinds of useful things like... love!" - Homer Simpson, the Simpsons. The official James R Curry web page is on hold.. It will get completed, just not right now. :( From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 2 11:15:33 1997 Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 12:10:49 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9706021010.AA20997@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Hello X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 680 Lines: 19 > I refuse to believe that the list can go this dead just because of exams > ... what happened to all the fighting? :) > > What's the next step along the road for the samson, anyway? Or has that > been abandoned? I guess Bob is waiting for comments on the Z380. I have just finished reading. Just have to clear up some unclear points. This might take some time for me right now. :/ > > ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ----- > Any unsolicited commercial emails received will be proofread and > returned to source, along with a bill for 150UKP. Sending such > emails to my account will be deemed acceptance of these terms. Does this work? -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 2 11:29:02 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <5221.199706021016@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Hello To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 11:16:38 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <9706021010.AA20997@asmal.edh-net> from "Frode Tenneboe" at Jun 2, 97 12:10:49 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 624 Lines: 17 > I guess Bob is waiting for comments on the Z380. I have just finished Hmm. Has he sent out manuals, then? Or are people supposed to comment without knowing anything about it? :) > > Any unsolicited commercial emails received will be proofread and > > returned to source, along with a bill for 150UKP. Sending such > Does this work? To an extent, yes, in that I seem to have fewer spams than I once did. I suspect some of the "smarter" bulk email programs are checking for such things. The ones that do come through don't usually reply when I ask them for the 150 pound proof-reading fee ... strange, that. :) Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 2 11:29:02 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <5262.199706021017@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Hello To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 11:17:03 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <122A27F0440@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> from "James R Curry" at Jun 2, 97 11:06:32 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 122 Lines: 6 > 10 PRINT "SUPER SAM NUMBER GUESSING GAME!" You're right, James. That is terrible. Let's see if we can sell it... >:) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 2 11:29:02 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <5413.199706021017@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Hello To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 11:17:42 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Justin Skists" at Jun 2, 97 11:08:40 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 365 Lines: 11 > > What's your worst program, anyway? Anyone else? > But that's something I wrote so I don't think it counts. Ah. No, probably not! > code is full of variables such as "afsgfdh" (it really is) and I can > never remember all the control keys to make it do stuff. hmm. Nice variable name ... did you just hit the keyboard when thinking it up, or something? :) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 2 11:29:03 1997 Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 11:19:01 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@euler.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Hello In-Reply-To: <4136.199706021005@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1623 Lines: 40 On Mon, 2 Jun 1997, Mr P R Walker wrote: > I wish. I've got one at 1:30 today ... at some point, I'm going to have to > go and find where it is! (I know the building, but not the room or anything.) Good luck. What's it in? (I know a couple of guys who spent the first 15 minutes of the exam actually looking for the hall. They thought it was one hall but it wasn't that one) > > I think that's the general direction of it. :( Shame really, It would've > > been a nice machine. > > True ... OTOH, I think we could all see that it wouldn't have been built. Very true. > People on here just fight too much to agree on anything ... the only way it > could have been done was for someone to basically just get on and do it, > and release SamSON as a finished package. Actually, the only thing I can remeber that we agreed on is that idea of a SamSON. It would've been too much for one or two people to design and build the machine. Look how long it took MGT to release the SAM. > > Oh well. Back to revision and learning C++ (once I've recovered from last > > night) > > What did you get up to last night, then? >:) My mate's girlfriend came over from America so we all got together for a small party at his house. -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 2 11:37:42 1997 Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 11:28:15 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@euler.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Hello In-Reply-To: <9706021010.AA20997@asmal.edh-net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1287 Lines: 31 On Mon, 2 Jun 1997, Frode Tenneboe wrote: > > I refuse to believe that the list can go this dead just because of exams > > ... what happened to all the fighting? :) > > > > What's the next step along the road for the samson, anyway? Or has that > > been abandoned? > > I guess Bob is waiting for comments on the Z380. I have just finished > reading. Just have to clear up some unclear points. This might take > some time for me right now. :/ I never did get my Z380 manual from Bob. Oh well. Never mind. I've got more important things to think about now.. > > ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ----- > > Any unsolicited commercial emails received will be proofread and > > returned to source, along with a bill for 150UKP. Sending such > > emails to my account will be deemed acceptance of these terms. > > Does this work? It sound like a bloody good idea. -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 2 11:37:59 1997 Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 11:31:09 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Walker X-Sender: csuan@lily To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Hello In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 970 Lines: 30 On Mon, 2 Jun 1997, Justin Skists wrote: > Good luck. What's it in? (I know a couple of guys who spent the first 15 Functional programming. If I hear of curried functions or ML within the next five weeks, after finishing this exam, I will go and murder someone. :) > minutes of the exam actually looking for the hall. They thought it was > one hall but it wasn't that one) Ah. Hopefully it won't be that bad, but... :/ > Actually, the only thing I can remeber that we agreed on is that idea of > a SamSON. It would've been too much for one or two people to design and True. It seems that sam users are a fractious lot, each convinced they know best. :) > build the machine. Look how long it took MGT to release the SAM. Erm.... 4 years? No? > My mate's girlfriend came over from America so we all got together for a > small party at his house. Sounds fun. Where in America does she live? ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ----- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 2 11:52:47 1997 Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 11:38:09 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@euler.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Hello In-Reply-To: <5413.199706021017@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1110 Lines: 26 On Mon, 2 Jun 1997, Mr P R Walker wrote: > > > What's your worst program, anyway? Anyone else? > > But that's something I wrote so I don't think it counts. > > Ah. No, probably not! Drats. I could've won! > hmm. Nice variable name ... did you just hit the keyboard when thinking it > up, or something? :) Actually, I did! It was the longest program I had ever written at the time. At the time, all my loops were called n1, n2, n3, n21364. After a while, when I made a new procedure or something, I couldn't remember what names/numbers I used so I randomly punched down the keys to make a unique name. They were fine while I was programming it. It's hell to read now when I thought about upgrading it.... -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 2 11:52:54 1997 From: James R Curry Organization: De Montfort University To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 11:39:21 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Hello References: <9706021010.AA20997@asmal.edh-net> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.53/R1) Message-ID: <1232E7F644D@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 597 Lines: 18 > > I guess Bob is waiting for comments on the Z380. I have just finished > > reading. Just have to clear up some unclear points. This might take > > some time for me right now. :/ > > I never did get my Z380 manual from Bob. Oh well. Never mind. I've got > more important things to think about now.. I've got mine.. :) -- James R Curry hc95jc@dmu.ac.uk "Bart! With $10,000, we'd be millionaires! We could buy all kinds of useful things like... love!" - Homer Simpson, the Simpsons. The official James R Curry web page is on hold.. It will get completed, just not right now. :( From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 2 14:57:47 1997 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Hello References: X-Mammoth-Status: Aware From: Uncle Bulgaria Date: 02 Jun 1997 14:43:52 +0100 In-Reply-To: Justin Skists's message of "Mon, 2 Jun 1997 11:38:09 +0100 (BST)" Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.56/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1007 Lines: 24 Justin Skists writes: > On Mon, 2 Jun 1997, Mr P R Walker wrote: > > > hmm. Nice variable name ... did you just hit the keyboard when thinking it > > up, or something? :) > > Actually, I did! It was the longest program I had ever written at the > time. At the time, all my loops were called n1, n2, n3, n21364. After a > while, when I made a new procedure or something, I couldn't remember what > names/numbers I used so I randomly punched down the keys to make a unique > name. They were fine while I was programming it. It's hell to read now > when I thought about upgrading it.... > I always used to name them after current girlfriends or favourite songs ;) Next stupid thread ... what do you use as variables ? -- 'Nerds remind me of musicians ... in my experience, both nerds and musicians are ardent, passionate and such good fun in the sack that if the government knew about it they'd lock them up' - M.Bywater *Lee Willis - Musician and Software Engineering Student.* From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 2 14:57:47 1997 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Hello References: X-Mammoth-Status: Aware From: Uncle Bulgaria Date: 02 Jun 1997 14:47:42 +0100 In-Reply-To: Justin Skists's message of "Mon, 2 Jun 1997 11:19:01 +0100 (BST)" Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.56/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 554 Lines: 17 Justin Skists writes: > On Mon, 2 Jun 1997, Mr P R Walker wrote: > > > What did you get up to last night, then? >:) > > My mate's girlfriend came over from America so we all got together for a > small party at his house. > Ahh the old girlfriend swapping parties 8) -- 'Nerds remind me of musicians ... in my experience, both nerds and musicians are ardent, passionate and such good fun in the sack that if the government knew about it they'd lock them up' - M.Bywater *Lee Willis - Musician and Software Engineering Student.* From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 2 14:57:48 1997 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Hello References: X-Mammoth-Status: Aware From: Uncle Bulgaria Date: 02 Jun 1997 14:49:03 +0100 In-Reply-To: Justin Skists's message of "Mon, 2 Jun 1997 11:28:15 +0100 (BST)" Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.56/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 928 Lines: 23 Justin Skists writes: > On Mon, 2 Jun 1997, Frode Tenneboe wrote: > > > > ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ----- > > > Any unsolicited commercial emails received will be proofread and > > > returned to source, along with a bill for 150UKP. Sending such > > > emails to my account will be deemed acceptance of these terms. > > > > Does this work? > > It sound like a bloody good idea. > Ain't legally binding though, a couple of US lawyers were the first to try it, but their case failed abismally. besides most trawling of net addresses is done automatically so it probably won't make much difference anyways ... -- 'Nerds remind me of musicians ... in my experience, both nerds and musicians are ardent, passionate and such good fun in the sack that if the government knew about it they'd lock them up' - M.Bywater *Lee Willis - Musician and Software Engineering Student.* From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 2 14:57:52 1997 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Hello References: <5262.199706021017@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware From: Uncle Bulgaria Date: 02 Jun 1997 14:46:17 +0100 In-Reply-To: Mr P R Walker's message of "Mon, 2 Jun 1997 11:17:03 +0100 (BST)" Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.56/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 510 Lines: 15 Mr P R Walker writes: > > 10 PRINT "SUPER SAM NUMBER GUESSING GAME!" > > You're right, James. That is terrible. > > Let's see if we can sell it... >:) Depends whether you can get it debugged and duplicated on time ;) -- 'Nerds remind me of musicians ... in my experience, both nerds and musicians are ardent, passionate and such good fun in the sack that if the government knew about it they'd lock them up' - M.Bywater *Lee Willis - Musician and Software Engineering Student.* From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 2 14:57:53 1997 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Hello References: <122579207BA@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> from "James R Curry" at Jun 2, 97 10:49:02 am <122A27F0440@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware From: Uncle Bulgaria Date: 02 Jun 1997 14:45:46 +0100 In-Reply-To: "James R Curry"'s message of "Mon, 2 Jun 1997 11:06:32 GMT" Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.56/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 639 Lines: 22 "James R Curry" writes: > > What's your worst program, anyway? Anyone else? > > Er.. Worst SAM program.. Well, there has been some truly awful > things. How about this one I've just written? The Super Sam Number > Guessing game.. > [Snipped number game] How about this 10 PRINT "Press SPACE" 20 LET a$=INKEY$ 30 IF a$=" " THEN PRINT "Well done." -- 'Nerds remind me of musicians ... in my experience, both nerds and musicians are ardent, passionate and such good fun in the sack that if the government knew about it they'd lock them up' - M.Bywater *Lee Willis - Musician and Software Engineering Student.* From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 2 16:32:18 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <5231.199706021520@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Hello To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 16:20:37 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Uncle Bulgaria" at Jun 2, 97 02:49:03 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 453 Lines: 14 > Ain't legally binding though, a couple of US lawyers were the first to > try it, but their case failed abismally. besides most trawling of net US != here ... it hasn't been tested here, as far as I know. Besides, I figure that most of them won't know that. :) > addresses is done automatically so it probably won't make much > difference anyways ... If they scan automatically that's their problem - the warning is there for them to read... Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 2 16:32:18 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <5284.199706021521@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Hello To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 16:21:13 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Uncle Bulgaria" at Jun 2, 97 02:46:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 205 Lines: 8 > > Let's see if we can sell it... >:) > Depends whether you can get it debugged and duplicated on time ;) Well, I dunno ... got to be a lot of bugs in there, and the duplicating time alone.... :) Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 2 16:44:55 1997 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 16:41:39 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Hello X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <3E0D6EF1D1D@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 158 Lines: 10 > 10 PRINT "Press SPACE" > 20 LET a$=INKEY$ > 30 IF a$=" " THEN PRINT "Well done." It doesn't give you a chance! Oh I see, it really is that crap. -- dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 2 16:56:03 1997 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Hello References: <3E0D6EF1D1D@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware From: Uncle Bulgaria Date: 02 Jun 1997 16:50:24 +0100 In-Reply-To: "Dave Hooper"'s message of "Mon, 2 Jun 1997 16:41:39 +0000" Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.56/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 536 Lines: 18 "Dave Hooper" <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> writes: > > 10 PRINT "Press SPACE" > > 20 LET a$=INKEY$ > > 30 IF a$=" " THEN PRINT "Well done." > > It doesn't give you a chance! > > Oh I see, it really is that crap. > The first version had GET a$, but that was too easy 8) -- 'Nerds remind me of musicians ... in my experience, both nerds and musicians are ardent, passionate and such good fun in the sack that if the government knew about it they'd lock them up' - M.Bywater *Lee Willis - Musician and Software Engineering Student.* From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 2 16:56:05 1997 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Hello References: <3E0D6EF1D1D@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware From: Uncle Bulgaria Date: 02 Jun 1997 16:47:53 +0100 In-Reply-To: "Dave Hooper"'s message of "Mon, 2 Jun 1997 16:41:39 +0000" Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.56/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 490 Lines: 20 "Dave Hooper" <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> writes: > > 10 PRINT "Press SPACE" > > 20 LET a$=INKEY$ > > 30 IF a$=" " THEN PRINT "Well done." > > It doesn't give you a chance! > > Oh I see, it really is that crap. > Doh! ;) -- 'Nerds remind me of musicians ... in my experience, both nerds and musicians are ardent, passionate and such good fun in the sack that if the government knew about it they'd lock them up' - M.Bywater *Lee Willis - Musician and Software Engineering Student.* From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 2 20:09:42 1997 From: James R Curry Organization: De Montfort University To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 19:57:40 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Hello References: "James R Curry"'s message of "Mon, 2 Jun 1997 11:06:32 GMT" In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.53/R1) Message-ID: <12B7CE33288@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 476 Lines: 18 > 10 PRINT "Press SPACE" > 20 LET a$=INKEY$ > 30 IF a$=" " THEN PRINT "Well done." .. Yes, but that game actually has a point.. of sorts to it.. Still, it's a smaller program than mine. :) -- James R Curry hc95jc@dmu.ac.uk "Bart! With $10,000, we'd be millionaires! We could buy all kinds of useful things like... love!" - Homer Simpson, the Simpsons. The official James R Curry web page is on hold.. It will get completed, just not right now. :( From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 2 20:09:42 1997 From: James R Curry Organization: De Montfort University To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 19:59:43 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Hello In-reply-to: <5284.199706021521@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> References: from "Uncle Bulgaria" at Jun 2, 97 02:46:17 pm X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.53/R1) Message-ID: <12B855F7297@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 566 Lines: 18 > > > Let's see if we can sell it... >:) > > Depends whether you can get it debugged and duplicated on time ;) > > Well, I dunno ... got to be a lot of bugs in there, and the duplicating > time alone.... :) > And it'll need 5 months of solid games testing. Oh, wait, this is the SAM. ;) -- James R Curry hc95jc@dmu.ac.uk "Bart! With $10,000, we'd be millionaires! We could buy all kinds of useful things like... love!" - Homer Simpson, the Simpsons. The official James R Curry web page is on hold.. It will get completed, just not right now. :( From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 3 01:17:31 1997 Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 20:11:01 EDT From: "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: worst program (was: Hello) Message-Id: <19970603001115Z49169-2329+900@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 715 Lines: 33 Date: 1997-06-02 15:33 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Subject: Re: Hello From: Uncle Bulgaria Date: 02 Jun 1997 14:45:46 +0100 >"James R Curry" writes: > >> > What's your worst program, anyway? Anyone else? >> >> Er.. Worst SAM program.. Well, there has been some truly awful >> things. How about this one I've just written? The Super Sam Number >> Guessing game.. >> > >YSnipped number game? > >How about this How about this: 10 REM Windows95 emulator for Sam coupe (c) N Young 1997 20 PRINT "Press enter to begin emulation": PAUSE: NEW perfect in every detail. :-)) Nev From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 3 01:17:31 1997 Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 20:11:08 EDT From: "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Hello Message-Id: <19970603001116Z49199-2329+902@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 588 Lines: 26 Date: 1997-06-02 15:35 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Subject: Re: Hello >From: Uncle Bulgaria >Date: 02 Jun 1997 14:47:42 +0100 > >Justin Skists writes: > >> On Mon, 2 Jun 1997, Mr P R Walker wrote: >> >> > What did you get up to last night, then? >:) >> >> My mate's girlfriend came over from America so we all got together for a >> small party at his house. >> > >Ahh the old girlfriend swapping parties 8) I got a CD player for my girlfriend. not a bad swap. ducks From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 3 01:17:31 1997 Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 20:11:11 EDT From: "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: relief of the boredom Message-Id: <19970603001116Z49198-2329+901@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 366 Lines: 19 Date: 1997-06-02 15:49 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ok since things are so quite and we all have a low boredom factor heres a quick puzzle. no prizes or anything it's just for fun. which is the odd one out and why 101 131 151 171 181 191 Oh that was tooooo easy wasn't it. want some more ? :-)) nev From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 3 05:11:33 1997 Message-Id: <199706030408.GAA23027@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: worst program (was: Hello) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 06:09:58 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 448 Lines: 17 > Van: YOUNG, Neville / IT Life > Aan: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Onderwerp: worst program (was: Hello) > How about this: > 10 REM Windows95 emulator for Sam coupe (c) N Young 1997 > 20 PRINT "Press enter to begin emulation": PAUSE: NEW > > perfect in every detail. > > :-)) How do install this on your Sam? From tape I think? :) Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] 14 BREAK, CONTINUE to repeat 10:1 From imc Tue Jun 3 09:55:27 1997 Subject: Re: relief of the boredom To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 09:55:27 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <19970603001116Z49198-2329+901@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> from "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" at Jun 2, 97 08:11:11 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 197 Lines: 8 On Mon, 02 Jun 1997 20:11:11 EDT, YOUNG, Neville / IT Life said: > which is the odd one out and why > > 101 131 151 171 181 191 There is probably no city with 0101 as its dialling code...? imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 3 11:23:21 1997 Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 05:50:53 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970603055050_-895162572@emout01.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Hello Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 239 Lines: 11 In a message dated 02/06/97 10:05:14, you write: > >What happened to Samsboss, btw?? Still in the States, got a card from him last week, luck bugger. Says he will be back later this month. Sorry, but he did not send his love.... Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 3 11:25:17 1997 Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 05:50:48 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970603055046_-629786772@emout19.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Hello Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 392 Lines: 16 In a message dated 02/06/97 09:41:58, you write: >I refuse to believe that the list can go this dead just because of exams >... what happened to all the fighting? :) Well........ > >What's the next step along the road for the samson, anyway? Or has that >been abandoned? No, far from it. Although I have to say it is rather behind schedual because I've been overworked of late :( Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 3 11:25:22 1997 Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:07:17 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@blue.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Hello In-Reply-To: <970603055046_-629786772@emout19.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 963 Lines: 25 On Tue, 3 Jun 1997 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > >What's the next step along the road for the samson, anyway? Or has that > >been abandoned? > > No, far from it. Although I have to say it is rather behind schedual because > I've been overworked of late :( And of course, you are absolutely central to the entire project; the one single driving force of all creative ability in the entire Sam universe. Sorry it's these exams, I'm getting stressed..... Andrew +----------------------------------------+---------------------------+ | Second Law Of Thermodynamics: | Andrew Collier, 1A NatSci | | If you think things are in a | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | | mess now, just you wait.... | Selwyn College, Cambridge | +----------------------------------------+---------------------------+ | See Gloucester show photos at http://brain.sel.cam.ac.uk/~asc25 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 3 11:47:08 1997 From: James R Curry Organization: De Montfort University To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 10:54:06 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: worst program (was: Hello) In-reply-to: <19970603001115Z49169-2329+900@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.53/R1) Message-ID: <13A6E854F0C@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1307 Lines: 40 > 10 REM Windows95 emulator for Sam coupe (c) N Young 1997 > 20 PRINT "Press enter to begin emulation": PAUSE: NEW > > perfect in every detail. > > :-)) > > Nev Not quite.. It would be more like - 10 REM Windows95 emulator for Sam coupe (c) N Young 1997 - updated by J Curry for more true to life emulation. 20 PRINT "Press enter to begin emulation": PAUSE 30 PRINT "Windows is starting. Please wait." : PAUSE 3600 40 PRINT "Windows has detected a fatal error in itself." 50 PRINT "please press any key to correct this." : PAUSE : PAUSE 3600 60 PRINT "Windows error 03563 file CRAP.DLL missing" 70 PRINT "Windows will not be able to use Multicrashopolyplex 1.5 error debug mode 3" 80 PRINT "to get this mode, insert the windows setup disk and type" 90 PRINT "the command from page 33212 of your quick start manual." 100 PRINT "Strike a key" 110 PAUSE : PAUSE 1000 120 PRINT "Windows error 004 - unable to run in this mode.. Attempting other mode." 130 PAUSE 50 : CALL 0 Never have I wasted bandwidth so successfully. ;) -- James R Curry hc95jc@dmu.ac.uk "Bart! With $10,000, we'd be millionaires! We could buy all kinds of useful things like... love!" - Homer Simpson, the Simpsons. The official James R Curry web page is on hold.. It will get completed, just not right now. :( From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 3 11:47:08 1997 From: James R Curry Organization: De Montfort University To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 10:56:33 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: relief of the boredom In-reply-to: <9706030855.AA13080@gruffle.comlab.ox.ac.uk> References: <19970603001116Z49198-2329+901@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> from "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" at Jun 2, 97 08:11:11 pm X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.53/R1) Message-ID: <13A78AB60FA@sahara.cms.dmu.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 503 Lines: 19 > > which is the odd one out and why > > > > 101 131 151 171 181 191 > > There is probably no city with 0101 as its dialling code...? > I'd guess it's something to do with Z80 instructions. But I don't have a list to hand. -- James R Curry hc95jc@dmu.ac.uk "Bart! With $10,000, we'd be millionaires! We could buy all kinds of useful things like... love!" - Homer Simpson, the Simpsons. The official James R Curry web page is on hold.. It will get completed, just not right now. :( From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 3 11:56:20 1997 Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 06:39:49 EDT From: "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: worst program (was: Hello) Message-Id: <19970603104002Z49160-2329+1416@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 691 Lines: 24 Date: 1997-06-03 11:39 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: "James R Curry" >To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 10:54:06 GMT >Subject: Re: worst program (was: Hello) > > >> 10 REM Windows95 emulator for Sam coupe (c) N Young 1997 >> 20 PRINT "Press enter to begin emulation": PAUSE: NEW >Not quite.. It would be more like - > >10 REM Windows95 emulator for Sam coupe (c) N Young 1997 - updated by >J Curry for more true to life emulation. >20 PRINT "Press enter to begin emulation": PAUSE >130 PAUSE 50 : CALL 0 > >Never have I wasted bandwidth so successfully. ;) Oh that was brilliant rotfl From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 3 11:56:21 1997 Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 06:41:49 EDT From: "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: relief of the boredom Message-Id: <19970603104154Z49155-2329+1418@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 548 Lines: 25 Date: 1997-06-03 11:40 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >From: "James R Curry" >To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 10:56:33 GMT >Subject: Re: relief of the boredom > > >> > which is the odd one out and why >> > >> > 101 131 151 171 181 191 >> >> There is probably no city with 0101 as its dialling code...? wrong. >> > >I'd guess it's something to do with Z80 instructions. But I >don't have a list to hand. wrong. gawd I thought that was an easy one. From imc Tue Jun 3 12:05:31 1997 Subject: Re: relief of the boredom To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 12:05:31 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <19970603104154Z49155-2329+1418@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> from "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" at Jun 3, 97 06:41:49 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 288 Lines: 11 On Tue, 03 Jun 1997 06:41:49 EDT, YOUNG, Neville / IT Life said: > >> > which is the odd one out and why > >> > > >> > 101 131 151 171 181 191 > gawd I thought that was an easy one. I know the answer actually. It's 171, isn't it. And out of 313 353 373 383 393 it would be 393. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 3 12:39:04 1997 Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 12:17:18 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@blue.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: relief of the boredom In-Reply-To: <19970603001116Z49198-2329+901@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 939 Lines: 30 On Mon, 2 Jun 1997, YOUNG, Neville / IT Life wrote: > Ok since things are so quite and we all have a low boredom factor heres a > quick puzzle. > no prizes or anything it's just for fun. > > which is the odd one out and why > > 101 131 151 171 181 191 > > Oh that was tooooo easy wasn't it. Certainly is. Somebody from PRIMEary school could answer it. > want some more ? Yes please; it's a refreshing change from revision. Andrew +----------------------------------------+---------------------------+ | Second Law Of Thermodynamics: | Andrew Collier, 1A NatSci | | If you think things are in a | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | | mess now, just you wait.... | Selwyn College, Cambridge | +----------------------------------------+---------------------------+ | See Gloucester show photos at http://brain.sel.cam.ac.uk/~asc25 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 3 12:53:29 1997 Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 07:39:41 EDT From: "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: msg for Ian Collier. Message-Id: <19970603114001Z49155-2329+1474@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 813 Lines: 27 Date: 1997-06-03 12:38 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ian can you do anything about this? I can not read any of your mailings until somebody else forwards it. Have pity on those of us who are forced into using IBM and micocrash software. Thanks. ---------- From: I7207445 To: NYOUNG1 Subject: Re: relief of the boredom Date: 03 June 1997 12:14 MSG:FROM: I7207445--IBMMAIL TO: NYOUNG1 --RLLAN1 03/06/97 12:12:31 From: Ian Collier Subject: Re: relief of the boredom To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 12:05:31 +0100 (BST) This mail item was sent in SMTP/MIME format, and may have contained encoded binary body parts. Any such body parts have been extracted and sent to you as individual items. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 3 13:24:24 1997 Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 08:09:02 EDT From: "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: relief of the boredom pt2 Message-Id: <19970603120916Z49164-2329+1490@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1211 Lines: 37 Date: 1997-06-03 13:06 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Andrew Collier >To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >Subject: Re: relief of the boredom > >>On Mon, 2 Jun 1997, YOUNG, Neville / IT Life wrote: >> which is the odd one out and why >> 101 131 151 171 181 191 >Certainly is. Somebody from PRIMEary school could answer it. correct 171 is not prime. > >> want some more ? >Yes please; it's a refreshing change from revision. puzzle 2. An old one but still worth a few minutes thought. A library decides to catalogue all of the books in the library. Now for some absurd reason it is decided to create two catalogues, catalogue A containing all the books that have the title of the book in the book and catalogue B containing all the books that do not have the title of the book in the book. (I did say it was absurd). Now as the catalogues are themselves books and are in the library, in which catalogue do you find the entry for catalogue B. puzzle 3 odd one out again 84208541 32804591 1113121 10681031 22968563 583573 (clue its not the 3rd one) puzzle 4 odd one out yet again BED BAD FAD FOG CAD FAB DAB ACE (ObNotYouBob) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 3 13:24:26 1997 From: Ben Versteeg Message-Id: <199706031202.OAA19264@charm.il.ft.hse.nl> Subject: Re: worst program (was: Hello) In-Reply-To: <199706030408.GAA23027@mailserv.caiw.nl> from Robert van der Veeke at "Jun 3, 97 06:09:58 am" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 14:02:44 +0200 (MEST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 777 Lines: 17 [Charset ISO-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...] > > Onderwerp: worst program (was: Hello) > > > How about this: > > 10 REM Windows95 emulator for Sam coupe (c) N Young 1997 > > 20 PRINT "Press enter to begin emulation": PAUSE: NEW Wow, I can even run this Windows95 on my Speccy :) -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Inner Products Holland _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/ Ben Versteeg _/ _/_/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ ben@il.ft.hse.nl _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ www.il.ft.hse.nl/~ben _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- From imc Tue Jun 3 13:39:41 1997 Subject: Re: relief of the boredom pt2 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 13:39:41 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <19970603120916Z49164-2329+1490@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> from "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" at Jun 3, 97 08:09:02 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 676 Lines: 13 On Tue, 03 Jun 1997 08:09:02 EDT, YOUNG, Neville / IT Life said: > A library decides to catalogue all of the books in the library. Now for some > absurd reason it is decided to create two catalogues, catalogue A > containing all the books that have the title of the book in the book and > catalogue B containing all the books that do not have the title of the book > in the book. (I did say it was absurd). Now as the catalogues are themselves > books and are in the library, in which catalogue do you find the entry for > catalogue B. Simple. It goes in catalogue A, and the reason is because catalogue B has its title printed in the header of each left-hand page. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 3 13:47:57 1997 Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 08:37:05 EDT From: "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FW: msg for Ian Collier. Message-Id: <19970603123713Z49156-2329+1510@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 734 Lines: 20 Date: 1997-06-03 13:33 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Ian Collier >Date: Tue, 3 Jun 97 13:05:04 BST >To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >Subject: Re: msg for Ian Collier. > > >>Ian can you do anything about this? I can not read any of your mailings >I have absolutely no idea what this is about (with any luck you can read >this because I'm using the vanilla mail program). All my messages mailed >with `elm' are in perfectly ordinary text format. The only MIME-related >things in my messages are the header lines: Yay I can read it. strangely enough I had a similar request from somebody regarding my news posting from home just last night. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 3 14:06:50 1997 Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 13:58:21 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@blue.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: relief of the boredom pt2 In-Reply-To: <19970603120916Z49164-2329+1490@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 690 Lines: 19 On Tue, 3 Jun 1997, YOUNG, Neville / IT Life wrote: > puzzle 4 > odd one out yet again > BED BAD FAD FOG CAD FAB DAB ACE FOG is the only one you can't write on a musical stave.... Andrew +----------------------------------------+---------------------------+ | Second Law Of Thermodynamics: | Andrew Collier, 1A NatSci | | If you think things are in a | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | | mess now, just you wait.... | Selwyn College, Cambridge | +----------------------------------------+---------------------------+ | See Gloucester show photos at http://brain.sel.cam.ac.uk/~asc25 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 3 14:27:16 1997 Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 09:14:00 EDT From: "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: relief of the boredom pt2 Message-Id: <19970603131408Z49158-2329+1546@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 523 Lines: 24 Date: 1997-06-03 14:11 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Andrew Collier >To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >Subject: Re: relief of the boredom pt2 > >On Tue, 3 Jun 1997, YOUNG, Neville / IT Life wrote: > >> puzzle 4 >> odd one out yet again >> BED BAD FAD FOG CAD FAB DAB ACE > >FOG is the only one you can't write on a musical stave.... > > >Andrew Hmmm right one wrong reason. Can you work out what was going through my warped mind? Nev From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 3 14:27:16 1997 Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 09:18:53 EDT From: "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: job prospect. Message-Id: <19970603131911Z49159-2329+1547@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 441 Lines: 17 Date: 1997-06-03 14:16 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Does any one know of any job hunters. Here in Liverpool were looking for 2-4 contractors for 6-12 months. Or permanent positions may be available. skills required are unix and LINC. (unisure an advantage) pay is negotiable but is in the order of 800-1200 UKP per week depending on skill level. This is not a wind up. Nev. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 3 14:56:26 1997 Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 14:47:48 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Walker X-Sender: csuan@holly To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: relief of the boredom In-Reply-To: <9706031105.AA13961@gruffle.comlab.ox.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 505 Lines: 13 On Tue, 3 Jun 1997, Ian Collier wrote: > > >> > 101 131 151 171 181 191 > I know the answer actually. It's 171, isn't it. And out of I would guess at 181, actually, simply because the middle digit of the others is odd, while 8 is even... :) ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ----- Any unsolicited commercial emails received will be proofread and returned to source, along with a bill for 150UKP. Sending such emails to my account will be deemed acceptance of these terms. From imc Tue Jun 3 14:57:43 1997 Subject: Re: relief of the boredom To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 14:57:43 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Paul Walker" at Jun 3, 97 02:47:48 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 353 Lines: 12 On Tue, 3 Jun 1997 14:47:48 +0100 (BST), Paul Walker said: > On Tue, 3 Jun 1997, Ian Collier wrote: > > > > >> > 101 131 151 171 181 191 > > I know the answer actually. It's 171, isn't it. And out of > > I would guess at 181, actually, simply because the middle digit of the > others is odd, while 8 is even... :) So zero is odd then, is it? imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 3 15:20:36 1997 Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 14:59:08 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Walker X-Sender: csuan@holly To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: relief of the boredom In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 232 Lines: 8 On Tue, 3 Jun 1997, Paul Walker wrote: > I would guess at 181, actually, simply because the middle digit of the Next time read the rest of the mail first, Paul... ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ----- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 3 15:20:36 1997 Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:01:31 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@blue.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: relief of the boredom pt2 In-Reply-To: <19970603131408Z49158-2329+1546@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 851 Lines: 23 On Tue, 3 Jun 1997, YOUNG, Neville / IT Life wrote: > >> puzzle 4 > >> odd one out yet again > >> BED BAD FAD FOG CAD FAB DAB ACE > > > >FOG is the only one you can't write on a musical stave.... > > Hmmm right one wrong reason. Can you work out what was going through my > warped mind? Well you can't interpret it as a hex number either... Andrew +----------------------------------------+---------------------------+ | Second Law Of Thermodynamics: | Andrew Collier, 1A NatSci | | If you think things are in a | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | | mess now, just you wait.... | Selwyn College, Cambridge | +----------------------------------------+---------------------------+ | See Gloucester show photos at http://brain.sel.cam.ac.uk/~asc25 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 3 15:20:37 1997 Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:02:10 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@blue.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: relief of the boredom In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 768 Lines: 20 On Tue, 3 Jun 1997, Paul Walker wrote: > > > >> > 101 131 151 171 181 191 > > I know the answer actually. It's 171, isn't it. And out of > > I would guess at 181, actually, simply because the middle digit of the > others is odd, while 8 is even... :) 101? Andrew +----------------------------------------+---------------------------+ | Second Law Of Thermodynamics: | Andrew Collier, 1A NatSci | | If you think things are in a | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | | mess now, just you wait.... | Selwyn College, Cambridge | +----------------------------------------+---------------------------+ | See Gloucester show photos at http://brain.sel.cam.ac.uk/~asc25 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 3 15:20:37 1997 Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 10:07:55 EDT From: "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: relief of the boredom Message-Id: <19970603140816Z49154-2329+1591@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 502 Lines: 18 Date: 1997-06-03 15:05 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Paul Walker >To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >Subject: Re: relief of the boredom > >On Tue, 3 Jun 1997, Ian Collier wrote: > >> > >> > 101 131 151 171 181 191 >> I know the answer actually. It's 171, isn't it. And out of > >I would guess at 181, actually, simply because the middle digit of the >others is odd, while 8 is even... :) so 0 is an odd number ? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 3 15:20:38 1997 Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:10:09 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@blue.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: relief of the boredom pt2 In-Reply-To: <19970603120916Z49164-2329+1490@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 850 Lines: 23 On Tue, 3 Jun 1997, YOUNG, Neville / IT Life wrote: > puzzle 3 > odd one out again > 84208541 32804591 1113121 10681031 22968563 583573 > (clue its not the 3rd one) They all have exactly three prime factors which in each case, except for 583573, each of the three prime factors begins with the same digit. Something along the right lines? Andrew +----------------------------------------+---------------------------+ | Second Law Of Thermodynamics: | Andrew Collier, 1A NatSci | | If you think things are in a | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | | mess now, just you wait.... | Selwyn College, Cambridge | +----------------------------------------+---------------------------+ | See Gloucester show photos at http://brain.sel.cam.ac.uk/~asc25 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 3 15:32:38 1997 Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:23:33 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Walker X-Sender: csuan@holly To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: relief of the boredom In-Reply-To: <19970603140816Z49154-2329+1591@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 309 Lines: 11 On Tue, 3 Jun 1997, YOUNG, Neville / IT Life wrote: > so 0 is an odd number ? It's amazing the way all three of you think alike, isn't it? 0 AIUI is one of those special cases that's neither odd nor even. I just forgot that at the time... ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ----- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 3 15:55:12 1997 Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 10:31:25 EDT From: "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FW: relief of the boredom pt2 Message-Id: <19970603143238Z49160-2329+1634@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 655 Lines: 28 Date: 1997-06-03 15:29 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Andrew Collier >To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >Subject: Re: relief of the boredom pt2 > >On Tue, 3 Jun 1997, YOUNG, Neville / IT Life wrote: > >> >> puzzle 4 >> >> odd one out yet again >> >> BED BAD FAD FOG CAD FAB DAB ACE >> > >> >FOG is the only one you can't write on a musical stave.... >> >> Hmmm right one wrong reason. Can you work out what was going through my >> warped mind? > >Well you can't interpret it as a hex number either... > >Andrew correct. Tough luck Andrew. you are as warped as me. Nev From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 3 15:55:12 1997 Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:41:50 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@galois.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: job prospect. In-Reply-To: <19970603131911Z49159-2329+1547@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 532 Lines: 13 On Tue, 3 Jun 1997, YOUNG, Neville / IT Life wrote: > Does any one know of any job hunters. I'm a job hunter... What the hell is LINC? -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 3 15:55:13 1997 Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 10:33:59 EDT From: "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FW: relief of the boredom pt2 Message-Id: <19970603143532Z49168-2329+1643@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 658 Lines: 27 Date: 1997-06-03 15:33 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Andrew Collier >To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >Subject: Re: relief of the boredom pt2 > >On Tue, 3 Jun 1997, YOUNG, Neville / IT Life wrote: > >> puzzle 3 >> odd one out again >> 84208541 32804591 1113121 10681031 22968563 583573 >> (clue its not the 3rd one) > >They all have exactly three prime factors which in each case, except for >583573, each of the three prime factors begins with the same digit. Hmm That's interesting. wrong number & wrong reason. > >Something along the right lines? right direction. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 3 15:55:13 1997 Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 10:42:04 EDT From: "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FW: relief of the boredom Message-Id: <19970603144216Z49171-2329+1654@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 522 Lines: 26 Date: 1997-06-03 15:38 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> so 0 is an odd number ? > >It's amazing the way all three of you think alike, isn't it? Any one who thinks like me must be a genius :) > >0 AIUI is one of those special cases that's neither odd nor even. I just >forgot that at the time... can't claim 181 as the odd one out as its the only one without an odd centre digit, as 0 is also not odd. (It isn't even either) :-) nev. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 3 15:55:14 1997 Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:45:12 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@galois.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Hello In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 873 Lines: 24 On 2 Jun 1997, Uncle Bulgaria wrote: > Justin Skists writes: > > > On Mon, 2 Jun 1997, Mr P R Walker wrote: > > > > > What did you get up to last night, then? >:) > > > > My mate's girlfriend came over from America so we all got together for a > > small party at his house. > > > > Ahh the old girlfriend swapping parties 8) Damn! I forgot to take a girlfriend with me. Where do I find one of those for next time, again? :) (I need to get out more!) -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 3 15:55:14 1997 Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:45:48 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@galois.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Hello In-Reply-To: <19970603001116Z49199-2329+902@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 603 Lines: 17 On Mon, 2 Jun 1997, YOUNG, Neville / IT Life wrote: > >Ahh the old girlfriend swapping parties 8) > > I got a CD player for my girlfriend. > > not a bad swap. Can I swap my CD player for a girlfriend? :) -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 3 16:20:51 1997 Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 16:03:28 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@blue.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: FW: relief of the boredom In-Reply-To: <19970603144216Z49171-2329+1654@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1412 Lines: 47 On Tue, 3 Jun 1997, YOUNG, Neville / IT Life wrote: > >It's amazing the way all three of you think alike, isn't it? > Any one who thinks like me must be a genius :) Ah, thankyou very much. > >0 AIUI is one of those special cases that's neither odd nor even. I just > >forgot that at the time... ? "One of those special cases"? Name another one. 0 is even. No question about it. The only exception is on a roulette wheel. > Are you sure you meant that? I've seen you use some strange tags before, but "jewellry" mode is a new one to me. > > > :-) :-) Andrew PS There've been stories that Bill Gates has been trying to buy into Cambridge University Computing Labs and Queens college... I think one of the responses included words like "proposterous suggestion"... just imagine our mailservers etc running Windows; the mind boggles! That man's trying to take over the world... +----------------------------------------+---------------------------+ | Second Law Of Thermodynamics: | Andrew Collier, 1A NatSci | | If you think things are in a | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | | mess now, just you wait.... | Selwyn College, Cambridge | +----------------------------------------+---------------------------+ | See Gloucester show photos at http://brain.sel.cam.ac.uk/~asc25 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 3 16:20:51 1997 Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 11:04:29 EDT From: "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FW: Hello Message-Id: <19970603150515Z49178-2329+1668@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 367 Lines: 18 Date: 1997-06-03 16:03 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Justin Skists >To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >Subject: Re: Hello > >> Ahh the old girlfriend swapping parties 8) > >Damn] I forgot to take a girlfriend with me. Where do I find one of those With some body else usually. :-) nev From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 3 16:20:54 1997 Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 11:05:55 EDT From: "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FW: job prospect. Message-Id: <19970603150633Z49178-2329+1669@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 465 Lines: 20 Date: 1997-06-03 16:06 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Justin Skists >To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >Subject: Re: job prospect. > >On Tue, 3 Jun 1997, YOUNG, Neville / IT Life wrote: > >> Does any one know of any job hunters. > >I'm a job hunter... What the hell is LINC? > UNiSYS propriety 4gl. (Logic, Interface, & Network Compiler) looks like you don't get the job then :-( nev From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 3 16:20:54 1997 Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 11:08:35 EDT From: "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FW: Hello Message-Id: <19970603150854Z49178-2329+1670@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 488 Lines: 24 Date: 1997-06-03 16:08 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Justin Skists >To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >Subject: Re: Hello > >On Mon, 2 Jun 1997, YOUNG, Neville / IT Life wrote: > >> >Ahh the old girlfriend swapping parties 8) >> >> I got a CD player for my girlfriend. >> >> not a bad swap. > >Can I swap my CD player for a girlfriend? :) > As long as it doesn't break down for 4 days every month. :-o nev From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 3 17:30:43 1997 Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 17:15:03 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@lagrange.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: FW: Hello In-Reply-To: <19970603150515Z49178-2329+1668@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 639 Lines: 17 On Tue, 3 Jun 1997, YOUNG, Neville / IT Life wrote: > >> Ahh the old girlfriend swapping parties 8) > > > >Damn] I forgot to take a girlfriend with me. Where do I find one of those > > With some body else usually. I've noticed that.. *sigh* -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 3 17:30:44 1997 Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 17:21:19 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@lagrange.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: FW: job prospect. In-Reply-To: <19970603150633Z49178-2329+1669@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 835 Lines: 22 On Tue, 3 Jun 1997, YOUNG, Neville / IT Life wrote: > >> Does any one know of any job hunters. > > > >I'm a job hunter... What the hell is LINC? > > > UNiSYS propriety 4gl. (Logic, Interface, & Network Compiler) > > looks like you don't get the job then :-( That was a quick interview... 4gl?? That's like SQL and databases, isn't it? Then phew. I dont like them anyway. Any decent programming jobs there like hardware interfacing? :) -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 3 17:30:45 1997 Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 17:23:28 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@lagrange.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: FW: Hello In-Reply-To: <19970603150854Z49178-2329+1670@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 605 Lines: 15 On Tue, 3 Jun 1997, YOUNG, Neville / IT Life wrote: > >Can I swap my CD player for a girlfriend? :) > > > As long as it doesn't break down for 4 days every month. It's a deal. I can cope with mood swings! :) -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 3 19:20:36 1997 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 19:09:08 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: relief of the boredom pt2 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <3FB4CFE2521@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 245 Lines: 25 > puzzle 2. catalogue B - unless the catalogue itself is in the catalogue. IWC it's A > BED BAD FAD FOG CAD FAB DAB ACE F0G - not valid HEX. Here's a thought: puzzle (whatever): What's next ? : 1 11 21 1211 111221 312211 ... ? -- dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 3 20:32:04 1997 Message-ID: <392DD83001F73000@c2gate.tcom.co.uk> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 13:19:00 +0100 From: Dan Doore Organization: * To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no (Sam Users Mailing List) Subject: RE: relief of the boredom Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.20B.16 MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 139 Lines: 12 > which is the odd one out and why > > 101 131 151 171 181 191 Err... 181 cos it's the only one with an even middle number. :) Dan. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 3 20:59:59 1997 Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 20:57:31 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@indigo.csi.cam.ac.uk To: Sam Users Mailing List Subject: RE: relief of the boredom In-Reply-To: <392DD83001F73000@c2gate.tcom.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 766 Lines: 24 On Tue, 3 Jun 1997, Dan Doore wrote: > > which is the odd one out and why > > 101 131 151 171 181 191 > > Err... > > 181 cos it's the only one with an even middle number. > > :) Something tells me you haven't read the following twenty-or-so messages... Andrew +----------------------------------------+---------------------------+ | Second Law Of Thermodynamics: | Andrew Collier, 1A NatSci | | If you think things are in a | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | | mess now, just you wait.... | Selwyn College, Cambridge | +----------------------------------------+---------------------------+ | See Gloucester show photos at http://brain.sel.cam.ac.uk/~asc25 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 3 21:09:30 1997 Message-Id: <199706032005.WAA10380@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: relief of the boredom Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 21:52:43 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 618 Lines: 25 > Van: Dan Doore > Aan: Sam Users Mailing List > Onderwerp: RE: relief of the boredom > Datum: Tuesday, June 03, 1997 2:19 > > > > which is the odd one out and why > > > > 101 131 151 171 181 191 > > Err... > > 181 cos it's the only one with an even middle number. > No no no, its 131 because that is the only meal on the chart with noodles, the other numbers come with rice :) or 181, because that is my badge-number at the place where I work (yes I do carry a badge) :) Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] 14 BREAK, CONTINUE to repeat 10:1 From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 3 21:12:21 1997 Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 21:09:09 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@indigo.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: relief of the boredom pt2 In-Reply-To: <3FB4CFE2521@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 993 Lines: 26 On Tue, 3 Jun 1997, Dave Hooper wrote: > > puzzle 2. > > catalogue B - unless the catalogue itself is in the catalogue. > IWC it's A It goes into A, and therefore isn't in B, so it isn't in itself and should go into B. Where it contains itself and goes into A. So the puzzle isn't that easy. As far as I can tell, the librarian spent so long reading every single book in the library to see if it contained its own title, that he died of old age before the catalogue is finished... Andrew +----------------------------------------+---------------------------+ | Second Law Of Thermodynamics: | Andrew Collier, 1A NatSci | | If you think things are in a | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | | mess now, just you wait.... | Selwyn College, Cambridge | +----------------------------------------+---------------------------+ | See Gloucester show photos at http://brain.sel.cam.ac.uk/~asc25 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 3 22:44:40 1997 Message-ID: <3394648B.3810@ndirect.co.uk> Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 19:38:03 +0100 From: Nev Young Organization: ndirect X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: relief of the boredom pt2 References: <9706031239.AA14780@gruffle.comlab.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1011 Lines: 26 Ian Collier wrote: > > On Tue, 03 Jun 1997 08:09:02 EDT, YOUNG, Neville / IT Life said: > > A library decides to catalogue all of the books in the library. Now for some > > Simple. It goes in catalogue A, and the reason is because catalogue B has > its title printed in the header of each left-hand page. > > imc Absolutely correct. Couldn't reply sooner as I couldn't read the posting at work. whicj is a pity cos you're one of the more senible posters. (unlike me) AAAAAARRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHH where's my asbestos suit. -- ---------------------------------------------------- | | |This site is developing self awareness | |(Oh no I'm not. cognito ergo P120-SX) | |--------------------------------------------------| |Home nevilley@ndirect.co.uk | |Work gbh3rknr@ibmmail.com | |http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~nevilley/homepage.htm | ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 3 22:44:47 1997 Message-ID: <3394636A.6C76@ndirect.co.uk> Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 19:33:14 +0100 From: Nev Young Organization: ndirect X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: FW: relief of the boredom References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 707 Lines: 22 Andrew Collier wrote: > > > > > Are you sure you meant that? > > I've seen you use some strange tags before, but "jewellry" mode is a new > one to me. > That's a microcrash splet checker for you. (OCIM pedant) -- ---------------------------------------------------- | | |This site is developing self awareness | |(Oh no I'm not. cognito ergo P120-SX) | |--------------------------------------------------| |Home nevilley@ndirect.co.uk | |Work gbh3rknr@ibmmail.com | |http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~nevilley/homepage.htm | ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 3 22:44:47 1997 Message-ID: <33948298.3B42@ndirect.co.uk> Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 21:46:16 +0100 From: Nev Young Organization: ndirect X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sams users mail list Subject: [Fwd: joke] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------70B118D44590" Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 4796 Lines: 141 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------70B118D44590 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -- ---------------------------------------------------- | | |This site is developing self awareness | |(Oh no I'm not. cognito ergo P120-SX) | |--------------------------------------------------| |Home nevilley@ndirect.co.uk | |Work gbh3rknr@ibmmail.com | |http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~nevilley/homepage.htm | ---------------------------------------------------- --------------70B118D44590 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-ID: <339471DA.738E@ndirect.co.uk> Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 20:34:50 +0100 From: Nev Young Reply-To: Nevilley@ndirect.co.uk Organization: ndirect X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gbh3rknr@ibmmail.com Subject: joke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: hum: The most stupid man ever? I got sent this and thought it might amuse... The most stupid man who ever lived...? Samuel Goldwyn Quotes (he was a famous maker of films in Hollywood) Samuel Goldwyn, when told his son was getting married: "Thank heaven. A bachelor's life is no life for a single man." A hospital is no place to be sick. -- Samuel Goldwyn Our comedies are not to be laughed at. -- Samuel Goldwyn I can give you a definite perhaps. -- Samuel Goldwyn Samuel Goldwyn, when told a script was full of old cliches: "Let's have some new cliches." Reporter: You say you've never made a picture before? Samuel Goldwyn: Yes, but that's our strongest weak point. Gentleman, include me out. -- Samuel Goldwyn A verbal contract isn't worth the paper it's printed on. -- Samuel Goldwyn I can tell you in two words: im possible. -- Samuel Goldwyn Samuel Goldwyn, on being told that a friend had named his son Sam, after him: "Why did you do that? Every Tom, Dick and Harry is named Sam!" I paid too much for it, but its worth it. -- Samuel Goldwyn Gentlemen, for your information, I have a question to ask you. -- Samuel Goldwyn I read part of it all the way through. -- Samuel Goldwyn If I could drop dead right now, I'd be the happiest man alive. -- Samuel Goldwyn I never put on a pair of shoes until I've worn them at least five years. -- Samuel Goldwyn Let's bring it up to date with some snappy nineteenth century dialogue. -- Samuel Goldwyn Samuel Goldwyn: What kind of dancing does Martha Graham do? Associate: Modern dancing. Samuel Goldwyn: I don't want her then, modern dancing is so old fashioned. I don't think anyone should write their autobiography until after they're dead. -- Samuel Goldwyn Bookkeeper: Mr. Goldwyn, our files are bulging with paperwork we no longer need. May I have your permission to destroy all records before 1945? Goldwyn: Certainly. Just be sure to keep a copy of everything. Anyone who goes to a psychiatrist ought to have his head examined. -- Samuel Goldwyn (On a film set of a tenement) Goldwyn : Why is everything so dirty here? Director : Because it's supposed to be a slum area. Goldwyn : Well, this slum cost a lot of money. It should look better than an ordinary slum. Gentlemen, listen to me slowly. -- Samuel Goldwyn That's the trouble with directors -- always biting the hand that lays the golden egg. -- Samuel Goldwyn Keep a stiff upper chin. -- Samuel Goldwyn "...We have that Indian scene. We can get the Indians from the reservoir." -- Samuel Goldwyn (In discussing Lillian Helman's play, "The Children's Hour") Goldwyn : Maybe we ought to buy it? Associate: Forget it, Mr. Goldwyn, its about Lesbians. Goldwyn : That's okay, we'll make them Americans. Don't worry about the war. It's all over but the shooting. -- Samuel Goldwyn Associate: It's to caustic for film. Goldwyn : To hell with the cost, if it's a good story, I'll make it. -- ---------------------------------------------------- | | |This site is developing self awareness | |(Oh no I'm not. cognito ergo P120-SX) | |--------------------------------------------------| |Home nevilley@ndirect.co.uk | |Work gbh3rknr@ibmmail.com | |http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~nevilley/homepage.htm | ---------------------------------------------------- --------------70B118D44590-- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 3 23:37:16 1997 Message-ID: <33949055.4D63@ndirect.co.uk> Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 22:44:53 +0100 From: Nev Young Organization: ndirect X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: relief of the boredom References: <392DD83001F73000@c2gate.tcom.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 761 Lines: 29 Dan Doore wrote: > > > which is the odd one out and why > > > > 101 131 151 171 181 191 > > Err... > > 181 cos it's the only one with an even middle number. > > :) > > Dan. We've done this one Dan. Do try and keep up at the back. it's 171 which is not a prime number ok. -- ---------------------------------------------------- | | |This site is developing self awareness | |(Oh no I'm not. cognito ergo P120-SX) | |--------------------------------------------------| |Home nevilley@ndirect.co.uk | |Work gbh3rknr@ibmmail.com | |http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~nevilley/homepage.htm | ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jun 4 10:15:20 1997 Message-ID: <072FD83001F73000@c2gate.tcom.co.uk> Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 8:56:00 +0100 From: Dan Doore Organization: * To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no (SAM-USER@SMTP {sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no}) Subject: RE: relief of the boredom Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.20B.16 MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 776 Lines: 31 AC> Something tells me you haven't read the following twenty-or-so messages... AC> AC> Andrew Something tells me I haven't yet received them doughnut, read on. NY> We've done this one Dan. Do try and keep up at the back. NY> it's 171 which is not a prime number ok. Duh. Here's a puzzle for you: Nev's message received at 0202 3/6/97 on our postoffice Dan's reply (avec smiley) posted at about 1200 Reply received here at 2200, 10 hours turnaround! not bad! Two things: 1. Email is a store and forward. 2. Our internet email provider is shite. It takes fucking years for external mails to get out onto the net which is why everything gets out of sync. However, Mr Pipex will soon be installing out 2M leased line so I'll grin & bear it for the moment. Dan. From imc Wed Jun 4 10:33:59 1997 Subject: Re: FW: relief of the boredom To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 10:33:59 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <3394636A.6C76@ndirect.co.uk> from "Nev Young" at Jun 3, 97 07:33:14 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 484 Lines: 15 On Tue, 03 Jun 1997 19:33:14 +0100, Nev Young said: > Andrew Collier wrote: > > > > > Are you sure you meant that? > > > > I've seen you use some strange tags before, but "jewellry" mode is a new > > one to me. > > > That's a microcrash splet checker for you. (OCIM pedant) I'm pretty sure even a microcrash splet checker wouldn't write "jewellry". :-) (I want to spell that "jewellery", but the only thing I can find in the online dictionaries here is "jewelry".) imc From imc Wed Jun 4 10:37:07 1997 Subject: Re: relief of the boredom pt2 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 10:37:07 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <3FB4CFE2521@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> from "Dave Hooper" at Jun 3, 97 07:09:08 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 518 Lines: 20 On Tue, 3 Jun 1997 19:09:08 +0000, Dave Hooper said: > What's next ? : > > 1 > 11 > 21 > 1211 > 111221 > 312211 Good grief, next you'll be telling us about the fork in the road at which you meet a person who either always lies or always tells the truth; or you've got these twelve balls and one is a slightly different weight from the others... I used to read rec.puzzles a fairly long time ago and someone decided we would all love this neat puzzle about every two days. The answer is 13112221 by the way. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jun 4 11:13:31 1997 Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 06:10:15 EDT From: "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: relief of the boredom Message-Id: <19970604101029Z49157-2329+2839@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 477 Lines: 19 Date: 1997-06-04 11:06 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Dan Doore To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no (SAM-USER@SMTP {sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no}) Subject: RE: relief of the boredom >Two things: >1. Email is a store and forward. >2. Our internet email provider is shite. > >It takes fucking years for external mails to get out onto the net which >is why everything >gets out of sync. > Me Too From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jun 4 15:59:24 1997 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 15:53:42 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: relief of the boredom pt2 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <4100B9E4842@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 517 Lines: 16 > > What's next ? : > > 312211 > I used to read rec.puzzles a fairly long time ago and someone decided > we would all love this neat puzzle about every two days. The answer > is 13112221 by the way. Oh. Well, I didn't know that. I only learned (learnt?) it recently. Which is it? Learned or learnt? (Fish or Fishes? ... Come on grammar checker, see if you can sort that one out) .. anyway, you've got these ten bags of coins, nine of which contain light coins and one of which contains heavy coins... -- dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jun 4 16:18:03 1997 Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 16:07:13 +0100 (BST) From: Tim Paveley To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: relief of the boredom pt2 In-Reply-To: <4100B9E4842@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 510 Lines: 12 On Wed, 4 Jun 1997, Dave Hooper wrote: > .. anyway, you've got these ten bags of coins, nine of which contain > light coins and one of which contains heavy coins... Move to swindon, and get yourself a mondex card. Saves all that hassle with little pieces of metal :) .........................................................................@/ Unc - Tim Paveley - http://dplinux.sund.ac.uk/~unc/ Staff of the Monochrome BBS - http://www.mono.org/ Owner of a Sam Coupe - http://www.mono.org/~unc/Coupe/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jun 4 16:18:03 1997 Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 16:09:24 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Walker X-Sender: csuan@lily To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: FW: relief of the boredom In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1202 Lines: 33 On Tue, 3 Jun 1997, Andrew Collier wrote: > "One of those special cases"? Name another one. Nothing springs to mind, but there are several - not in the field of odd/even numbers, obviously, but in other areas. However, I've been revising maths for the last two days, so if you want more, you can go find your own examples! > 0 is even. No question about it. The only exception is on a roulette > wheel. Why is 0 even? The only possible claim it has is that it's between two even numbers ... but if it can't be counted as a prime (which it is, if you think about it) then why does that count? > > > Are you sure you meant that? I've seen it used before ... normally when people don't want to use pedant. Not that unusual. > just imagine our mailservers etc running Windows; the mind boggles! That > man's trying to take over the world... Oh, I don't know. You didn't especially *want* your mail to go out today, did you? :) ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ----- Any unsolicited commercial emails received will be proofread and returned to source, along with a bill for 150UKP. Sending such emails to my account will be deemed acceptance of these terms. From imc Wed Jun 4 16:25:52 1997 Subject: Re: FW: relief of the boredom To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 16:25:52 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Paul Walker" at Jun 4, 97 04:09:24 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 347 Lines: 12 On Wed, 4 Jun 1997 16:09:24 +0100 (BST), Paul Walker said: > Why is 0 even? Because 2 divides it. > but if it can't be counted as a prime (which it is, if > you think about it) No it isn't. A prime is a natural number with exactly two natural number divisors. Any number except zero divides zero, so it can't be prime. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jun 4 19:18:43 1997 Message-Id: <199706041817.TAA00808@mail.enterprise.net> From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-FTN-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Hello Date: 04 Jun 1997 17:25:39 Organization: Dalmation enterprises References: <970603055050_-895162572@emout01.mail.aol.com> X-newsreader: Spot 1.3 Unregistered X-mailer: NetGate 1.3 (Amiga; TCP/IP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 788 Lines: 25 In a message of 03 Jun 97 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote to sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no: Hi BrenchleyR@aol.com, Bac> In a message dated 02/06/97 10:05:14, you write: >> What happened to Samsboss, btw?? Bac> Still in the States, got a card from him last week, luck bugger. Says Bac> he will be back later this month. Which other SAM users, besides Colin MacDonald and Samsboss are in the states ATM? Could things be fitting into place now? Was Samsboss started by Colin, and then, when the going got a little tough he was joined by a couple of other people with more than a little interest in the SAM economy? Will the truth of the matter ever be revealed? Tune in next week and.. Bac> Sorry, but he did not send his love.... Whyever not? Doesn't he like us. :) Bye, Dave Whitmore From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jun 4 23:08:50 1997 Message-ID: <3395B676.3E0A@ndirect.co.uk> Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 19:39:50 +0100 From: Nev Young Organization: ndirect X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: relief of the boredom pt2 References: <9706040937.AA24014@gruffle.comlab.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 717 Lines: 28 Ian Collier wrote: > > On Tue, 3 Jun 1997 19:09:08 +0000, Dave Hooper said: > > What's next ? : > > > > 1 > > 11 > > 21 > > 1211 > > 111221 > > 312211 > The answer is 13112221 by the way. WWaaaaaahhhh You didn't tell us why. -- ---------------------------------------------------- | | |This site is developing self awareness | |(Oh no I'm not. cognito ergo P120-SX) | |--------------------------------------------------| |Home nevilley@ndirect.co.uk | |Work gbh3rknr@ibmmail.com | |http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~nevilley/homepage.htm | ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 5 00:30:36 1997 Subject: Re: relief of the boredom pt2 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 00:27:45 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <3395B676.3E0A@ndirect.co.uk> from "Nev Young" at Jun 4, 97 07:39:50 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <19970604232805Z49157-2329+3633@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 937 Lines: 38 > > > 1 START: 1 > > > 11 So we have one 1 -- or 11 > > > 21 Which means we have two 1's -- 21 > > > 1211 which is one 2, and one 1 - or 1211 > > > 111221 which is one 1, one 2 and two 1's - or 11 12 21 - 111221 > > > 312211 which is three ones, two twos and one one - 312211 which is one 3, one 1, two 2's and 1 1, or 13112211 :) Simon BTW: Catalogue B is a mathematical nonentity: Catalogue A contains all books which contain their names Catalogue B contains all books which don't contain their names If Catalogue A contains catalogue B, then catalogue B contains its name. If catalogue B contains its own name, then catalogue B cannot be in catalogue B. If catalogue B is not in catalogue B, then it's not in Catalogue A. However, catalogue B must be in one of the catalogues. So it must be in catalogue B. Which it can't be, as Catalogue B would then contain a book which contains its own name. Repeat ad infinitum. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 5 07:52:26 1997 Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 08:46:29 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9706050646.AA19781@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: FW: relief of the boredom X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 383 Lines: 11 > > 0 is even. No question about it. The only exception is on a roulette > > wheel. > > Why is 0 even? The only possible claim it has is that it's between two > even numbers ... but if it can't be counted as a prime (which it is, if > you think about it) then why does that count? Clearly, from this you should all have deducted that 0 (zero) is not actually a number. :) -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 5 10:22:10 1997 Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 05:09:23 EDT From: "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: relief of the boredom pt2 Message-Id: <19970605090933Z49164-2329+4029@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1052 Lines: 33 Date: 1997-06-05 10:07 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 00:27:45 +0100 (BST) >Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) >From: Simon Cooke > >> > > 1 >START: 1 >which is one 3, one 1, two 2's and 1 1, or 13112211 :) Thanks kicks self >Catalogue A contains all books which contain their names >Catalogue B contains all books which don't contain their names >If Catalogue A contains catalogue B, then catalogue B contains its name. >If catalogue B contains its own name, then catalogue B cannot be in >catalogue B. >If catalogue B is not in catalogue B, then it's not in Catalogue A. >However, catalogue B must be in one of the catalogues. So it must be in >catalogue B. Which it can't be, as Catalogue B would then contain a book >which contains its own name. >Repeat ad infinitum. No No No. Catalogue B does contain it's own name. but NOT in the catlogue section. So it is Catalogued in A. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 5 10:22:11 1997 Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 10:15:56 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Walker X-Sender: csuan@lily To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: FW: relief of the boredom In-Reply-To: <9706041525.AA26347@gruffle.comlab.ox.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 240 Lines: 11 On Wed, 4 Jun 1997, Ian Collier wrote: > > Why is 0 even? > Because 2 divides it. You mean 0 mod 2 = 0? But it's also the case that 0 mod 1 = 0, which would make it odd. ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ----- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 5 10:22:11 1997 Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 05:17:46 EDT From: "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: relief of the boredom Message-Id: <19970605091803Z49159-2329+4038@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 389 Lines: 18 Date: 1997-06-05 10:09 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) >To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >Subject: Re: FW: relief of the boredom >Clearly, from this you should all have deducted that 0 (zero) is >not actually a number. :) God created the positive integers. The rest are our fault. hth nev From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 5 10:22:11 1997 Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 10:18:45 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Walker X-Sender: csuan@lily To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: FW: relief of the boredom In-Reply-To: <9706050646.AA19781@asmal.edh-net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 409 Lines: 12 On Thu, 5 Jun 1997, Frode Tenneboe wrote: > Clearly, from this you should all have deducted that 0 (zero) is > not actually a number. :) Bingo. :) ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ----- Any unsolicited commercial emails received will be proofread and returned to source, along with a bill for 150UKP. Sending such emails to my account will be deemed acceptance of these terms. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 5 10:48:08 1997 Subject: Re: relief of the boredom pt2 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 10:35:38 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <19970605090933Z49164-2329+4029@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> from "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" at Jun 5, 97 05:09:23 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <19970605093557Z49155-2329+4056@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 792 Lines: 20 > >Repeat ad infinitum. > > No No No. > Catalogue B does contain it's own name. but NOT in the catlogue section. > So it is Catalogued in A. Hang on a sec though -- this problem was oroiginally posed at the turn of the century by mathematicians who were proving that mathematics workedfrom base principles. The idea being that you reduce numbers to sets (which is a rigorous proof), such that a set (or catalogue) is used to contain all numbers or quantities which have the property of "threeness" -- such as the number 3, for example. Or 3 apples. The problem (which shook the foundations of mathematics) is that you can't do anything with the sets themselves -- there's no way to derive them from first principles. I'll dig out my book tonight and type in the full story. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 5 11:00:53 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <8409.199706050944@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: relief of the boredom pt2 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 10:44:12 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <19970605093557Z49155-2329+4056@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> from "Simon Cooke" at Jun 5, 97 10:35:38 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 397 Lines: 10 > workedfrom base principles. The idea being that you reduce numbers to > sets (which is a rigorous proof), such that a set (or catalogue) is used > to contain all numbers or quantities which have the property of > "threeness" -- such as the number 3, for example. Or 3 apples. ARe you thinking of Russell's Paradox? Because if you are, then I don't think it applies to the catalogues. Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 5 11:00:54 1997 Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 10:46:59 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@puce.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: FW: relief of the boredom In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1288 Lines: 39 On Thu, 5 Jun 1997, Paul Walker wrote: > >>Why is 0 even? The only possible claim it has is that it's between two > >>even numbers ... but if it can't be counted as a prime (which it is, > >> if you think about it) then why does that count? Why doesn;t it? 0 is not prime, 1 is not prime either. Is -4 even? -4 is not prime. > > Because 2 divides it. > > You mean 0 mod 2 = 0? > > But it's also the case that 0 mod 1 = 0, which would make it odd. *Any* integer mod 1 = 0, so that doesn't make it odd. What you meant was "integer mod 2 = 1" for an odd number, and that's not the case for 0. Another way of looking at it: -1 to the power of an even integer gives +1, -1 to the power of an odd integer gives -1. -1 to the power 0 = +1. Therefore 0 is even. Case closed. Andrew +----------------------------------------+---------------------------+ | Second Law Of Thermodynamics: | Andrew Collier, 1A NatSci | | If you think things are in a | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | | mess now, just you wait.... | Selwyn College, Cambridge | +----------------------------------------+---------------------------+ | See Gloucester show photos at http://brain.sel.cam.ac.uk/~asc25 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From imc Thu Jun 5 11:30:43 1997 Subject: Re: relief of the boredom pt2 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 11:30:43 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <19970605093557Z49155-2329+4056@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> from "Simon Cooke" at Jun 5, 97 10:35:38 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1865 Lines: 37 On Thu, 5 Jun 1997 10:35:38 +0100 (BST), Simon Cooke said: > Hang on a sec though -- this problem was oroiginally posed at the turn of > the century by mathematicians who were proving that mathematics > workedfrom base principles. Sort of. It is ascribed to Russell, and is a slightly more colourful paraphrase of the question "what is the set of all sets which do not contain themselves?". However, in the case of the library version of the problem there is a trick answer. > The idea being that you reduce numbers to > sets (which is a rigorous proof), such that a set (or catalogue) is used > to contain all numbers or quantities which have the property of > "threeness" -- such as the number 3, for example. Or 3 apples. I'm not sure what you mean here. Are you talking about sets containing three elements? The number 3 can be defined to be the set {0,1,2}, which has three elements (and you can build this set up from only a trivial set of assumptions - namely, (1) that the empty set exists, (2) that if x exists then the set {x} also exists, and (3) that if x and y exist then the union of x and y exists), and so you can define that any set contains three elements whenever a bijective function from that set to the number 3 exists. > The problem (which shook the foundations of mathematics) is that you > can't do anything with the sets themselves -- there's no way to derive > them from first principles. Er, no. Russell's paradox shows only one thing: namely, that there is no set of all sets. You can do a hell of a lot from first principles, as long as you state what the principles are (I gave three examples above). Gödel's incompleteness theorem states that in any infinite system if your first principles are consistent then there are some statements which can be proved neither true nor false. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 5 11:38:23 1997 X-Authentication-Warning: dxmint.cern.ch: Host hpopl1.cern.ch [137.138.243.47] claimed to be hpopb1.cern.ch Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 12:28:10 +0200 (METDST) From: Allan Skillman X-Sender: allan@hpopl1.cern.ch To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Your wish is my command Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1000 Lines: 24 Hello everyone, Well you asked for it (well some of you anyway), so I have obliged. I have produced a developement version of SimCoupe for (wait for it) DOS (Yuk splutter cough...). The code is based on version 0.6 (the last released version for UNIX) and built using DJGPP and a DOS port of SVGAlib. I'm not going to release it to the world in general yet, because the docs are not complete, but if there is interest in here in the mailing list I will put it up on my web pages. What I need is people who can try it out as soon as possible so I can get some feedback. At the moment I have only tested it on my machine - the famous 486SX Notebook with MSDOS 6.22. As its a 32bit executable it requires a DPMI interface. I have provided a copy of the DJGPP DPMI server with the code so that it can be run from DOS.. The alternative is to use Windows DPMI server - ie run the program from a DOS box, but this doesn't seem to work on my machine - (WFW 3.11) - It might work better on Win95. Allan From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 5 12:19:17 1997 Message-Id: <9706051112.AA22329@mars.cableol.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Neil Maynard To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 12:11:04 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Your wish is my command In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.52) Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1189 Lines: 35 > > Hello everyone, > > Well you asked for it (well some of you anyway), so I have obliged. I have > produced a developement version of SimCoupe for (wait for it) DOS (Yuk > splutter cough...). > > The code is based on version 0.6 (the last released version for UNIX) and > built using DJGPP and a DOS port of SVGAlib. I'm not going to release it > to the world in general yet, because the docs are not complete, but > if there is interest in here in the mailing list I will put it up > on my web pages. What I need is people who can try it out as soon as > possible so I can get some feedback. > > At the moment I have only tested it on my machine - the famous 486SX > Notebook with MSDOS 6.22. As its a 32bit executable it requires > a DPMI interface. I have provided a copy of the DJGPP DPMI server with > the code so that it can be run from DOS.. The alternative is to use > Windows DPMI server - ie run the > program from a DOS box, but this doesn't seem to work on my machine - > (WFW 3.11) - It might work better on Win95. > > Allan > > Allan, Please put it on your web page. I have acess several different spec PC's and will try it out on them. Thanks very much Neil From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 5 13:20:35 1997 X-Authentication-Warning: dxmint.cern.ch: Host hpopl1.cern.ch [137.138.243.47] claimed to be hpopb1.cern.ch Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 14:17:09 +0200 (METDST) From: Allan Skillman X-Sender: allan@hpopl1.cern.ch To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Your wish is my command In-Reply-To: <9706051112.AA22329@mars.cableol.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 401 Lines: 15 Hello again, Well you have persuaded me... I've put up a web page where you can all download the developement version of SimCoupe for DOS: http://www.hep.ucl.ac.uk/~ajs/simcoupe/simcoupe_dos.html Please don't spread this URL about for the moment. Try out the code and let me know how you get on. Make sure you tell me the specifications of your machine, especially the video card. regards Allan From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 5 13:58:58 1997 Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 13:53:21 +0100 (BST) From: Tim Paveley To: Sam Users Mailing List Subject: royalties.... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 924 Lines: 23 Hi all, was wondering if anyone would like to give me some advice... A while ago I showed EGGBuM to a friend, who has since go on to write a Windows version with lots of spiffing levels and extras and things. He is hoping to try and release this commercially sometime in the future. He also wants to make sure that myself and manga (the other bloke who wrote the Sam Version) get our 2p's worth, and was asking how much I'd expect. Me not knowing about these sorts of things, thought I'd ask people on here, what they would consider a fair amount to ask. And that's about it really :) Oh yes, if an apple costs 6p, and a mango costs 28p, how much is a banana and a fig? ;) .........................................................................@/ Unc - Tim Paveley - http://dplinux.sund.ac.uk/~unc/ Staff of the Monochrome BBS - http://www.mono.org/ Owner of a Sam Coupe - http://www.mono.org/~unc/Coupe/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 5 14:51:00 1997 Subject: Thingybobs and soundy doobries To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 13:46:56 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <19970605133606Z49162-2329+4364@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 377 Lines: 19 Hi there, Just thought I'd let you know: I've done most of the ground work for the SAM Soundchip emulation -- basically, to see how it works, do this: For a given octave and tone value (oct, tone) The number of cycles (2Mhz -- needs more work ;) ) to generate a note is: oct = !oct; tone = !tone; cycles = (256+tone)*(oct+1); More as I have it... Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 5 14:51:00 1997 Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 14:31:42 +0100 (BST) From: Si Owen To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: deleted from sam-users list! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organisation: Wordcraft International Ltd. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 567 Lines: 13 Did anybody else get deleled from the list about 3 weeks ago? (Have I missed any messages from other people?!) I had noticed my mailbox had been a bit quiet... Si /------------------------------------+----------------------------------------\ | Si Owen | Home: si@obobo.demon.co.uk | | Wordcraft International Ltd, UK | Work: sowen@wordcraft.co.uk | | Fax: +44-1332-295525 | WWW: www.obobo.demon.co.uk | \------------------------------------+----------------------------------------/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 5 14:51:00 1997 Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 14:35:16 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@euler.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Your wish is my command In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 957 Lines: 24 On Thu, 5 Jun 1997, Allan Skillman wrote: > Hello again, > > Well you have persuaded me... I've put up a web page where you can all > download the developement version of SimCoupe for DOS: > > http://www.hep.ucl.ac.uk/~ajs/simcoupe/simcoupe_dos.html > > Please don't spread this URL about for the moment. Try out the code > and let me know how you get on. Make sure you tell me the specifications > of your machine, especially the video card. Excellent! I can't wait until I test it out! Any info on the speed to expect? I'll let you know how it gets on.. -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From imc Thu Jun 5 14:53:51 1997 Subject: Re: Thingybobs and soundy doobries To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 14:53:51 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <19970605133606Z49162-2329+4364@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> from "Simon Cooke" at Jun 5, 97 01:46:56 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 441 Lines: 15 On Thu, 5 Jun 1997 13:46:56 +0100 (BST), Simon Cooke said: > Just thought I'd let you know: I've done most of the ground work for the > SAM Soundchip emulation -- basically, to see how it works, do this: > For a given octave and tone value (oct, tone) > The number of cycles (2Mhz -- needs more work ;) ) to generate a note is: > oct = !oct; > tone = !tone; > cycles = (256+tone)*(oct+1); What's that in English? imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 5 15:53:01 1997 Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 15:19:09 +0100 (BST) From: Dave Handley To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Hello In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 561 Lines: 18 > > >Ahh the old girlfriend swapping parties 8) > > > > I got a CD player for my girlfriend. > > > > not a bad swap. > > Can I swap my CD player for a girlfriend? :) Well my CD player jumps a lot...what sort of deal would I get? :) Dave ,---------------------------------------------------------, ,/ Dave Handley / ,/ Email - d.handley@lancaster.ac.uk /' / Visit - http://www.lancs.ac.uk/ug/handley/index.htm /' `---------------------------------------------------------' From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 5 15:53:02 1997 Subject: Re: Your wish is my command To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 14:59:34 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: from "Allan Skillman" at Jun 5, 97 02:17:09 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <19970605142437Z49165-2329+4406@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 532 Lines: 13 > Please don't spread this URL about for the moment. Try out the code > and let me know how you get on. Make sure you tell me the specifications > of your machine, especially the video card. Well, perhaps unsurprisingly, it doesn't run under Windows NT 4 :) -- it comes up with "svgalib:unable to disable general protection" -- which to be completely honest, seems like it's trying to do more than it needs to (I've had plenty of emulators - including the Gauntlet one - running under NT). P166, 32Mb Ram, S3 video card. Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 5 15:53:04 1997 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: FW: relief of the boredom References: X-Mammoth-Status: Aware From: Uncle Bulgaria Date: 05 Jun 1997 15:12:40 +0100 In-Reply-To: Paul Walker's message of Thu, 5 Jun 1997 10:18:45 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.55/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 608 Lines: 18 Paul Walker dribbled ... > On Thu, 5 Jun 1997, Frode Tenneboe wrote: > > > Clearly, from this you should all have deducted that 0 (zero) is > > not actually a number. :) > > Bingo. :) > Exactly, it's simply an identifier used to show a lack of value, much the same as darkness being the absence of light etc. etc. -- 'Nerds remind me of musicians ... in my experience, both nerds and musicians are ardent, passionate and such good fun in the sack that if the government knew about it they'd lock them up' - M.Bywater *Lee Willis - Musician and Software Engineering Student.* From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 5 15:53:06 1997 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Your wish is my command References: X-Mammoth-Status: Aware From: Uncle Bulgaria Date: 05 Jun 1997 15:15:24 +0100 In-Reply-To: Allan Skillman's message of Thu, 5 Jun 1997 12:28:10 +0200 (METDST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.55/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 446 Lines: 15 Allan Skillman dribbled ... > Hello everyone, > [Snipped Simcoupe info.] > (WFW 3.11) - It might work better on Win95. Oh look, and overhead goes a pig ... -- 'Nerds remind me of musicians ... in my experience, both nerds and musicians are ardent, passionate and such good fun in the sack that if the government knew about it they'd lock them up' - M.Bywater *Lee Willis - Musician and Software Engineering Student.* From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 5 16:54:57 1997 X-Authentication-Warning: dxmint.cern.ch: Host hpopl1.cern.ch [137.138.243.47] claimed to be hpopb1.cern.ch Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 17:27:27 +0200 (METDST) From: Allan Skillman X-Sender: allan@hpopl1.cern.ch To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Cc: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Your wish is my command In-Reply-To: <19970605142437Z49165-2329+4406@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 998 Lines: 26 Hi all, On Thu, 5 Jun 1997, Simon Cooke wrote: > > Please don't spread this URL about for the moment. Try out the code > > and let me know how you get on. Make sure you tell me the specifications > > of your machine, especially the video card. > > Well, perhaps unsurprisingly, it doesn't run under Windows NT 4 :) -- it > comes up with "svgalib:unable to disable general protection" -- which to > be completely honest, seems like it's trying to do more than it needs to > (I've had plenty of emulators - including the Gauntlet one - running > under NT). > > P166, 32Mb Ram, S3 video card. Yep - I tried it myself as well (I just spent this morning installing NT workstation). I didn't expect this to work. To get maximum performance the video stuff is done using direct memory access. In DJGPP is can be done by using a feature of the DPMI server. In NT where all the memory is properly protected it would have to be done in the same way as for Linux, with a kernel mmap() type call. Allan From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 5 17:27:16 1997 Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 17:20:35 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@aether.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Hello In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 732 Lines: 21 On Thu, 5 Jun 1997, Dave Handley wrote: > > > >Ahh the old girlfriend swapping parties 8) > > > > > > I got a CD player for my girlfriend. > > > > > > not a bad swap. > > > > Can I swap my CD player for a girlfriend? :) > > Well my CD player jumps a lot...what sort of deal would I get? :) Mine sounds like its been scratching! ;) -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jun 6 06:34:44 1997 Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 06:24:43 +0100 (BST) From: Si Owen To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Your wish is my command In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organisation: Wordcraft International Ltd. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 908 Lines: 22 On Thu, 5 Jun 1997, Allan Skillman wrote: > The code is based on version 0.6 (the last released version for UNIX) and > built using DJGPP and a DOS port of SVGAlib. Runs very fast on a P200! I couldn't get hi-res to work on the Mystique or the S3 Trio64V+. The S3 driver setting in the config file doesn't seem to work with the card, saying the chipset is too new. I've not tried the Mystique with the SVGA driver under Linux, but the S3 card worked fine. I look forward to further development :-) Si /------------------------------------+----------------------------------------\ | Si Owen | Home: si@obobo.demon.co.uk | | Wordcraft International Ltd, UK | Work: sowen@wordcraft.co.uk | | Fax: +44-1332-295525 | WWW: www.obobo.demon.co.uk | \------------------------------------+----------------------------------------/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jun 6 06:34:44 1997 Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 06:27:08 +0100 (BST) From: Si Owen To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Your wish is my command In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organisation: Wordcraft International Ltd. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 695 Lines: 16 On Thu, 5 Jun 1997, Allan Skillman wrote: > In NT where all the memory is properly protected it would have to be done > in the same way as for Linux, with a kernel mmap() type call. If you know what you're after, I could knock you up a kernel-mode driver to give direct access under NT. Si /------------------------------------+----------------------------------------\ | Si Owen | Home: si@obobo.demon.co.uk | | Wordcraft International Ltd, UK | Work: sowen@wordcraft.co.uk | | Fax: +44-1332-295525 | WWW: www.obobo.demon.co.uk | \------------------------------------+----------------------------------------/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jun 6 09:23:08 1997 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Hello References: X-Mammoth-Status: Aware From: Uncle Bulgaria Date: 06 Jun 1997 09:20:54 +0100 In-Reply-To: Dave Handley's message of "Thu, 5 Jun 1997 15:19:09 +0100 (BST)" Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.56/Emacs 19.34 Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 601 Lines: 18 Dave Handley writes: > > > >Ahh the old girlfriend swapping parties 8) > > > > > > I got a CD player for my girlfriend. > > > not a bad swap. > > Can I swap my CD player for a girlfriend? :) > > Well my CD player jumps a lot...what sort of deal would I get? :) > A girlfriend that _doesn't_ jump a lot ;) -- 'Nerds remind me of musicians ... in my experience, both nerds and musicians are ardent, passionate and such good fun in the sack that if the government knew about it they'd lock them up' - M.Bywater *Lee Willis - Musician and Software Engineering Student.* From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jun 6 10:00:30 1997 Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 04:50:00 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970606044959_-1296269090@emout17.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Hello Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 685 Lines: 27 In a message dated 04/06/97 19:51:58, you write: >Which other SAM users, besides Colin MacDonald and Samsboss are in the states >ATM? Could things be fitting into place now? Was Samsboss started by Colin, >and then, when the going got a little tough he was joined by a couple of >other people with more than a little interest in the SAM economy? Will the >truth of the matter ever be revealed? Tune in next week and.. Well, Cooke said something about the USofA.... But now, Colin is not Samsboss - I thought everyone had agreed that I was :) > > > Bac> Sorry, but he did not send his love.... > >Whyever not? Doesn't he like us. :) Who can say? > > >Bye, > > >Dave Whitmore Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jun 6 10:00:30 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970606095019.00a08f10@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 09:50:19 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Your wish is my command In-Reply-To: References: <19970605142437Z49165-2329+4406@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 644 Lines: 15 At 05:27 PM 6/5/97 +0200, you wrote: >Yep - I tried it myself as well (I just spent this morning installing >NT workstation). I didn't expect this to work. To get maximum performance >the video stuff is done using direct memory access. In DJGPP is can be >done by using a feature of the DPMI server. In NT where all the memory is >properly protected it would have to be done in the same way as for >Linux, with a kernel mmap() type call. Tried it at home last night btw, under DOS. Doesn't like my ET4000 based motherboard-soldered graphics chip, but then it's not the only thing. Runs much faster than it does under X windows too :) Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jun 6 10:00:30 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970606095057.00a08cf0@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 09:50:57 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Your wish is my command In-Reply-To: References: <19970605142437Z49165-2329+4406@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 124 Lines: 6 At 05:27 PM 6/5/97 +0200, you wrote: Oh yes -- it doesn't like Diamond Stealth 3D graphics cards either (S3 based) Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jun 6 10:00:30 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970606095421.00a096b0@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 09:54:21 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Hello In-Reply-To: <970606044959_-1296269090@emout17.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 563 Lines: 18 At 04:50 AM 6/6/97 -0400, you wrote: >Status: > >In a message dated 04/06/97 19:51:58, you write: > >>Which other SAM users, besides Colin MacDonald and Samsboss are in the >states >>ATM? Could things be fitting into place now? Was Samsboss started by Colin, >>and then, when the going got a little tough he was joined by a couple of >>other people with more than a little interest in the SAM economy? Will the >>truth of the matter ever be revealed? Tune in next week and.. > >Well, Cooke said something about the USofA.... Yes, but I'm still here. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jun 6 10:09:49 1997 Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 10:04:07 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@blue.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Hello In-Reply-To: <970606044959_-1296269090@emout17.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 858 Lines: 23 On Fri, 6 Jun 1997 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > Well, Cooke said something about the USofA.... > > But now, Colin is not Samsboss - I thought everyone had agreed that I was :) I don't remember you ever bothered to deny it... But why should Samsboss be limited to one person? You could easily set up an account for two or three people to access. Andrew +----------------------------------------+---------------------------+ | Second Law Of Thermodynamics: | Andrew Collier, 1A NatSci | | If you think things are in a | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | | mess now, just you wait.... | Selwyn College, Cambridge | +----------------------------------------+---------------------------+ | See Gloucester show photos at http://brain.sel.cam.ac.uk/~asc25 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jun 6 12:05:34 1997 Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 11:49:16 +0100 From: D.M.Zambonini@cs.cf.ac.uk (D M Zambonini) Message-Id: <199706061049.LAA09860@kay.cs.cf.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Your wish is my command Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: jJLxaI9qwZ+NBv+csHhUSA== Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 67 Lines: 5 Nor does it recognise things properly on a Cirrus 5446.. DMZ --- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jun 6 12:40:09 1997 Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 07:32:51 EDT From: "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Hello Message-Id: <19970606113310Z49172-2329+5618@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 791 Lines: 26 Date: 1997-06-06 12:31 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: BrenchleyR@aol.com >To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >Subject: Re: Hello > >In a message dated 04/06/97 19:51:58, you write: > >>Which other SAM users, besides Colin MacDonald and Samsboss are in the >states >>ATM? Could things be fitting into place now? Was Samsboss started by Colin, >>and then, when the going got a little tough he was joined by a couple of >>other people with more than a little interest in the SAM economy? Will the >>truth of the matter ever be revealed? Tune in next week and.. > >Well, Cooke said something about the USofA.... > >But now, Colin is not Samsboss - I thought everyone had agreed that I was :) No No I thought it was me. Isn't it. ;-) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jun 6 13:09:19 1997 Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:56:37 +0100 (BST) From: Dave Handley To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Your wish is my command In-Reply-To: <199706061049.LAA09860@kay.cs.cf.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 482 Lines: 13 > Nor does it recognise things properly on a Cirrus 5446.. The same goes for a Cirrus 5436. Runs quite fast on my P100, seems about 20% faster than a SAM. Dave ,---------------------------------------------------------, ,/ Dave Handley / ,/ Email - d.handley@lancaster.ac.uk /' / Visit - http://www.lancs.ac.uk/ug/handley/index.htm /' `---------------------------------------------------------' From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jun 6 14:24:23 1997 Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:19:45 +0100 From: D.M.Zambonini@cs.cf.ac.uk (D M Zambonini) Message-Id: <199706061219.NAA08794@eries.cs.cf.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Your wish is my command Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: ypzm7c++g2hSNAZ8aSSNQg== Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 337 Lines: 12 > > Nor does it recognise things properly on a Cirrus 5446.. > > The same goes for a Cirrus 5436. Runs quite fast on my P100, seems about > 20% faster than a SAM. Well, I **think** it's slightly slower than a SAM on a 486DX2/80, but I just wish the keyboard would autorepeat or even recognise the same key pressed twice.... DMZ --- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jun 6 15:59:00 1997 Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 10:49:02 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970606104640_-94442503@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Hello Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 240 Lines: 12 In a message dated 06/06/97 11:30:23, you write: >Yes, but I'm still here. > >Simon It is just that you have been keeping soooo quiet of late Simon. Bob. p.s. I'm away next week, just in case anyone misses me (not much chance I know). From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jun 6 16:11:45 1997 Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 16:00:03 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Walker X-Sender: csuan@lily To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Hello In-Reply-To: <970606104640_-94442503@emout06.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 414 Lines: 12 On Fri, 6 Jun 1997 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > p.s. I'm away next week, just in case anyone misses me (not much chance I > know). Anywhere interesting? ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ----- Any unsolicited commercial emails received will be proofread and returned to source, along with a bill for 150UKP. Sending such emails to my account will be deemed acceptance of these terms. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jun 7 13:45:02 1997 From: Stephen Harding Message-Id: <199706071246.NAA31960@BITS.bris.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Z380 Manual To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no (sam users) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 13:46:59 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 295 Lines: 13 >I never did get my Z380 manual from Bob. Oh well. Never mind. I've got >more important things to think about now.. > >|Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence:| > No, Neither did I. No explanation or anything.... Did anyone actually recieve one? C9, Numbly. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jun 7 13:45:02 1997 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 13:35:00 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: royalties.... X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <455BDF50E21@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 501 Lines: 12 > Me not knowing about these sorts of things, thought I'd ask people on > here, what they would consider a fair amount to ask. Well, a coder would generally get 20% of the royalties... so, er, he'd get to divide that equally between the people who worked on it... er, um, so if you wrote the original and some levels, and he coded it for windows, with his own levels... er... you should be getting 40% or more if he used your source code, I guess. Otherwise, a bit less. 33% sounds good. -- d From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jun 7 13:45:02 1997 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 13:35:31 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: royalties.... X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <455C0126FC4@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 108 Lines: 4 > Oh yes, if an apple costs 6p, and a mango costs 28p, how much is a banana > and a fig? ;) Way too much! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jun 7 13:45:02 1997 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 13:37:28 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: relief of the boredom pt2 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <455C88C2FFF@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 355 Lines: 8 > No No No. > Catalogue B does contain it's own name. but NOT in the catlogue section. > So it is Catalogued in A. Why doesn't catalogue B contain it's own name in it's catalogue section? Surely the catalogue must include the catalogue books A and B? So A and B must each be in at least one catalogue book... Anyway, haven't we done this to death yet? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jun 7 13:45:03 1997 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 13:42:47 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Thingybobs and soundy doobries X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <455DF101F88@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 338 Lines: 9 > oct = !oct; > tone = !tone; > cycles = (256+tone)*(oct+1); Not sure what the ! means, but that looks about right. Anyway, wasn't this documented in the technical manual? If you want to emulate the waveform of the soundchannels I seem to remember Edwin Blink had the waveform dumped to disk somewhere... way back... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jun 7 14:03:46 1997 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 14:02:16 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: bugs? X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <456322E2C5E@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 487 Lines: 13 Keyboard detection was dodgy. I could NEVER enter the following line, for example, without the keyboard getting stuck: 25 plot pen(9+rnd(6));rnd(255),rnd(191) Also, I tried pressing Scroll Lock followed by Pause/Break followed by PrintScrn, just to see what it would do.. eeek! I wouldn't recommend it. Also, I couldn't seem to change the filter in the file list boxes (delete wouldn't work) Couldn't get svga, but didn't try to hard... Dunno what the card was (not my machine) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jun 7 17:40:56 1997 Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 17:38:14 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@navy.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: relief of the boredom pt2 In-Reply-To: <455C88C2FFF@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1896 Lines: 43 On Sat, 7 Jun 1997, Dave Hooper wrote: > > No No No. > > Catalogue B does contain it's own name. but NOT in the catlogue section. > > So it is Catalogued in A. > > Why doesn't catalogue B contain it's own name in it's catalogue > section? Surely the catalogue must include the catalogue books A and > B? So A and B must each be in at least one catalogue book... Alright, let's say that Catalogue B goes in it's own catalogue section, and the title appears nowhere else in the book. Now catalogue B contains its own name. So "catalogue B" is taken out of catalogue B and put into catalogue A. Now catalogue B does not contain its own name. So "catalogue B" is taken out of catalogue A and put into catalogue B. Now catalogue B contains its own name. So "catalogue B" is taken out of catalogue B and put into catalogue A. Now catalogue B does not contain its own name. So "catalogue B" is taken out of catalogue A and put into catalogue B. Now catalogue B contains its own name. So "catalogue B" is taken out of catalogue B and put into catalogue A. Now catalogue B does not contain its own name. So "catalogue B" is taken out of catalogue A and put into catalogue B. ... Hence the "get-out clause" of a page at the front saying "This is Catalogue B" which places it firmly in catalogue A's territory. > Anyway, haven't we done this to death yet? Obviously not quite enough. :) Andrew +----------------------------------------+---------------------------+ | Second Law Of Thermodynamics: | Andrew Collier, 1A NatSci | | If you think things are in a | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | | mess now, just you wait.... | Selwyn College, Cambridge | +----------------------------------------+---------------------------+ | See Gloucester show photos at http://brain.sel.cam.ac.uk/~asc25 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jun 7 17:47:03 1997 Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 17:42:43 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@navy.csi.cam.ac.uk To: Sam-users Subject: Caption Competition Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 811 Lines: 23 This could be your LAST CHANCE (for a while) to look at my web page, fill in the feedback form, look at the Gloucester pictures or enter the caption competition. Brain.sel is going off-line in ONE WEEK. Next year? Well hopefully there'll be a new, improved service from: carou.sel (but no promises) Andrew +----------------------------------------+---------------------------+ | Second Law Of Thermodynamics: | Andrew Collier, 1A NatSci | | If you think things are in a | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | | mess now, just you wait.... | Selwyn College, Cambridge | +----------------------------------------+---------------------------+ | See Gloucester show photos at http://brain.sel.cam.ac.uk/~asc25 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jun 7 22:15:55 1997 Message-ID: <3399CC27.1CB9@ndirect.co.uk> Date: Sat, 07 Jun 1997 22:01:28 +0100 From: Nev Young Organization: ndirect X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Your wish is my command References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1067 Lines: 35 Allan Skillman wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > Well you asked for it (well some of you anyway), so I have obliged. I have My machine proc = P120-S video = cirrus CL-GD5446 sound = soundeblaster 16 o/s = win95 Works fine in both dos mode and in a dos window (although it needs a full screen) Had to fiddle with a few of the memory settings to make it work in a window but seems fine. Now I'll have to get the disk transfer thingy. Runs faster than a real sam but only guessing at about 40%. No sound. Is this a bug or a feature? Congratulations. Seems like an excellent program. -- ---------------------------------------------------- | | |This site is developing self awareness | |(Oh no I'm not. cognito ergo P120-SX) | |--------------------------------------------------| |Home nevilley@ndirect.co.uk | |Work gbh3rknr@ibmmail.com | |http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~nevilley/homepage.htm | ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jun 8 11:01:29 1997 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: sskardon@argonet.co.uk (Stewart Skardon) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sun, 8 Jun 97 10:47:05 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Techy hardware question Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 568 Lines: 26 I've got an Amstrad CTM644 colour monitor sitting here not being used, and I was wondering if it was possible to connect it to the SAM. Any ideas anyone? Thanks in advance. Stewart -- _ (_'tewart email : sskardon@argonet.co.uk ,_)kardon Crashed Magazine - The SAM Coupe and ZX Spectrum Magazine. Crashed WWW Site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon -=O=- Organisers of The Northern SAM and Spectrum Show NSSS WWW Site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/nsss.html From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jun 8 12:49:24 1997 Subject: Re: Techy hardware question To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 12:25:38 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: from "Stewart Skardon" at Jun 8, 97 10:47:05 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <19970608112946Z49200-26125+83@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 573 Lines: 15 > > I've got an Amstrad CTM644 colour monitor sitting here not being used, and I > was wondering if it was possible to connect it to the SAM. > > Any ideas anyone? Goiung off my own experience, I would say a resounding YES, but not having one to play with, I can't tell you how... Is it the monitor which was used in the back of the Amstrad 464's et al? If so, I think the SAM was originally designed to use them (or at least with that in mind -- the SCART socket on the SAM is designed to take a powersupply, so it could have been powered from the monitor) Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jun 8 12:49:25 1997 Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 12:18:04 +0100 (BST) From: Tim Wells <93tgw@eng.cam.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Another Hardware question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 285 Lines: 10 Has anyone got any pointers to details of the IEEE-488 (GPIB) bus? I've got a fair bit of the data, but what I've got is incomplete. (If I can get enough details to build a SAM - IEEE-488 interface, my SAM is going to become a glorified data-logger for part of the Summer) Tim W. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jun 8 20:48:38 1997 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: sskardon@argonet.co.uk (Stewart Skardon) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Cc: simon.cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk Date: Sun, 8 Jun 97 20:02:50 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Techy hardware question Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1217 Lines: 47 On Sun 8 Jun 97 (12:25:38 +0100), simon.cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk wrote: >> >> I've got an Amstrad CTM644 colour monitor sitting here not being >used, and I >> was wondering if it was possible to connect it to the SAM. >> >> Any ideas anyone? > >Goiung off my own experience, I would say a resounding YES, but not >having one to play with, I can't tell you how... > >Is it the monitor which was used in the back of the Amstrad 464's et >al? Yes it is. Only problem is, I don't have any of the pin details as the monitor was given to me. I would give it a try otherwise. :-( >If so, I think the SAM was originally designed to use them (or at least > >with that in mind -- the SCART socket on the SAM is designed to take a >powersupply, so it could have been powered from the monitor) > >Simon > > Can anyone else help? Stewart -- _ (_'tewart email : sskardon@argonet.co.uk ,_)kardon Crashed Magazine - The SAM Coupe and ZX Spectrum Magazine. Crashed WWW Site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon -=O=- Organisers of The Northern SAM and Spectrum Show NSSS WWW Site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/nsss.html From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 9 01:02:19 1997 Message-Id: From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale) Subject: Re: Techy hardware question To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 00:58:00 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Stewart Skardon" at Jun 8, 97 10:47:05 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 353 Lines: 11 > I've got an Amstrad CTM644 colour monitor sitting here not being used, and I > was wondering if it was possible to connect it to the SAM. > Should work fine - it's just a standard rgb monitor. I can't remember the pinout though - search on altavista, or whatever, for Kevin Thacker's Amstrad page, and I think you'll find it there somewhere. Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 9 09:35:10 1997 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 09:12:28 +0100 From: D.M.Zambonini@cs.cf.ac.uk (D M Zambonini) Message-Id: <199706090812.JAA29109@aron.cs.cf.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Your wish is my command Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: 1346QUyTaqqYVlLQWWg9Hw== Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 366 Lines: 15 > My machine > proc = P120-S > video = cirrus CL-GD5446 > sound = soundeblaster 16 > o/s = win95 > > Works fine in both dos mode and in a dos window (although it needs a > full screen) Hang on... the graphics worked fine? Do you mean it detected correctly? (ps the CL-GD just stands for Cirrus Logic graphics device, which makes it a bit redundant.. :) ) DMZ --- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 9 09:35:10 1997 Message-Id: From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale) Subject: SAM Basic problem... To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 09:26:39 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Andrew M Gale" at Jun 9, 97 00:58:00 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 985 Lines: 27 I'm having a few problems with a BASIC program I've got, and since I've only ever really written short basic progs + mc routines, I need your help! The program is about 25K, and I know the SAM sometimes fouls-up with large programs - but surely this isn't large?! I haven't messed about with ramtop or opening any pages, and I'm poking to a 3K are around 327680, so that shouldn't be a problem. What I'm getting is quite a lot of 'BASIC stack full' messages, and often I get something like 'Not understood' and then some weird & wacky line number - editing that line shows a load of junk, and when I press enter on it, the sam starts listing the program - and esc won't break out of it! Most odd... Any ideas what's up? After loading it takes a good while before the cursor appears - presumably just a side effect of the size. Also, I've done quite a few merge and renumbers - am I right in thinking these can wreak havoc sometimes? Any help would be greatly appreciated! Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 9 09:43:33 1997 Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 04:39:22 EDT From: "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Your wish is my command Message-Id: <19970609083933Z49166-26125+681@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 359 Lines: 17 Date: 1997-06-09 09:37 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: D.M.Zambonini@cs.cf.ac.uk (D M Zambonini) >To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >Subject: Re: Your wish is my command >> My machine >> video = cirrus CL-GD5446 > >Hang on... the graphics worked fine? Do you mean it detected correctly? Yes. Nev. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 9 09:53:48 1997 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 09:42:50 +0100 From: D.M.Zambonini@cs.cf.ac.uk (D M Zambonini) Message-Id: <199706090842.JAA29241@aron.cs.cf.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Your wish is my command Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: p1F8brINEGOPD6vNhI7GwQ== Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 246 Lines: 12 > >Hang on... the graphics worked fine? Do you mean it detected correctly? > Yes. > > Nev. > Strange.... I have the same, and it defaults to standard VGA after failing to detect.... perhaps a difference in the graphics card or BIOS? DMZ --- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 9 09:53:48 1997 Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 04:47:19 EDT From: "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: SAM Basic problem... Message-Id: <19970609084728Z49158-26125+682@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1011 Lines: 30 Date: 1997-06-09 09:44 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale) >Subject: SAM Basic problem... >To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 09:26:39 +0100 (BST) > >I'm having a few problems with a BASIC program > >The program is about 25K, and I know the SAM sometimes >fouls-up with large programs - but surely this isn't large?] IIRC 11K is when the probs start. > >What I'm getting is quite a lot of 'BASIC stack full' >messages, and often I get something like 'Not understood' >and then some weird & wacky line number - editing that line been there had that. > >Any ideas what's up? After loading it takes a good while If you're not using rom 3.0 AND Masterdos AND Masterbasic then expect trouble. Sorry if this is not the answer that you wanted. I used to get all kinds of problems like you describe but since using all of the above I've had no problems. (of course, it may just be a coincidence) Nev. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 9 11:06:31 1997 Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 05:54:33 EDT From: "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Your wish is my command Message-Id: <19970609095443Z49158-26125+766@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 913 Lines: 35 Date: 1997-06-09 10:54 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 09:42:50 +0100 >From: D.M.Zambonini@cs.cf.ac.uk (D M Zambonini) >To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >Subject: Re: Your wish is my command >> >Hang on... the graphics worked fine? Do you mean it detected correctly? >> Yes. >Strange.... I have the same, and it defaults to standard VGA after failing to >detect.... perhaps a difference in the graphics card or BIOS? I assume that you get some message that it has failed to detect and is defaulting ? I don't. The grey 'ok to start' button thingy comes up. I press enter. epileptic fit inducing coloured screen flash stripy sam start screen no problem. works in win95 dos window. works when win95 shut down to dos works if win95 not started at boot and run from dos get upset if more that one copy running at a time though. nev From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 9 12:14:55 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970609115552.00a0d840@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 11:55:52 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: XOR trickery - film at 11. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 310 Lines: 25 Hi all... just an aside for those of you who are after an optimisation or two: XOR tricks: Finding the difference of two positive numbers, D and E: LD A,D XOR E Ta daaa!!! Much better than: LD A,D SUB E JR NC,no_overflow NEG no_overflow: ... :) (Anti-Ecological programmers use less cycles) From imc Mon Jun 9 12:20:02 1997 Subject: Re: XOR trickery - film at 11. To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 12:20:02 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970609115552.00a0d840@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> from "Simon Cooke" at Jun 9, 97 11:55:52 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 461 Lines: 27 On Mon, 09 Jun 1997 11:55:52 +0100, Simon Cooke said: > XOR tricks: > Finding the difference of two positive numbers, D and E: > LD A,D > XOR E Huh? You already did the April fool joke... D = 10 1010 E = 7 0111 D xor E = 13 1101 D - E = 3 0011 > Much better than: > > LD A,D > SUB E > JR NC,no_overflow > NEG > no_overflow: ... I would think you would often want to know which one was larger anyway. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 9 14:45:39 1997 Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 09:39:20 EDT From: "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: XOR trickery - film at 11. Message-Id: <19970609133936Z49155-26125+978@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 658 Lines: 47 Date: 1997-06-09 14:39 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 11:55:52 +0100 >To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >From: Simon Cooke >Subject: XOR trickery - film at 11. >XOR tricks: >Finding the difference of two positive numbers, D and E: > LD A,D > XOR E >Ta daaa]]] > Much better than: > LD A,D > SUB E > JR NC,no_overflow > NEG >no_overflow: ... Erm have I missed something? D=1010 E=0110 LD A,D A=1010 XOR E A = 1100 D=1010 E=0110 LD A,D A=1010 SUB E A = 0100 when I were a lad 10-6=4 not 12. or have I completly missed the point? nev From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 9 15:03:14 1997 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 14:46:23 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: SAM Basic problem... X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <486F0196F09@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 433 Lines: 11 > Sorry if this is not the answer that you wanted. I used to get all kinds of > problems like you describe but since using all of the above I've had no > problems. (of course, it may just be a coincidence) Since giving up programming I've had no problems... Kept getting these as a youngster, but only with a few programs, and even then only the odd large one with a number of large arrays'n things stored in the save... -- dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 9 15:03:15 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970609145031.00a11370@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 14:50:31 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: XOR trickery - film at 11. In-Reply-To: <9706091120.AA04090@gruffle.comlab.ox.ac.uk> References: <3.0.1.32.19970609115552.00a0d840@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 402 Lines: 21 At 12:20 PM 6/9/97 +0100, you wrote: >Status: > >On Mon, 09 Jun 1997 11:55:52 +0100, Simon Cooke said: >> XOR tricks: > >> Finding the difference of two positive numbers, D and E: > >> LD A,D >> XOR E > >Huh? You already did the April fool joke... Ooops. Well it sort of works for some cases. (hangs head in shame) Hang on! I'm right -- if we're working in modulo 2 arithmetic :) Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 9 15:03:15 1997 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 14:47:00 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: XOR trickery - film at 11. X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <486F239382D@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 83 Lines: 6 > (Anti-Ecological programmers use less cycles) Shouldn't that be fewer? -- dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 9 15:38:36 1997 From: Gavin Smith Organization: University of Ulster To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 15:41:19 GMT Subject: Re: Hello X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <337D336098A@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 360 Lines: 9 > >But now, Colin is not Samsboss - I thought everyone had agreed that I was > :) > > No No I thought it was me. Isn't it. ;-) Not to start the Samsboss shite up again, but I think someone called Samsboss does exist - its just, a certain other person was writing a few mails to me from Samsboss' account, to protect his own "good" (chortle chortle) name. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 9 15:38:37 1997 X-Authentication-Warning: dxmint.cern.ch: Host hpopl1.cern.ch [137.138.243.47] claimed to be hpopb1.cern.ch Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 16:30:12 +0200 (METDST) From: Allan Skillman X-Sender: allan@hpopl1.cern.ch To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: SimCoupe DOS Keyboard driver update Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 742 Lines: 22 Hi All, Follwing David Z.'s comments on the keyboard reponsiveness of SimCoupe (I can't really see this as the emulation runs too slowly on my machine) I have recodede the keyboard driver to use DOS interrupts - ie the Sam hardware keymap is updated when a key is pressed or released rather than periodically using an event queue. This should improve the performance. You can pick up the new version from the webpage as before URL : http://www.hep.ucl.ac.uk/~ajs/simcoupe/simcoupe_dos.html regards Allan BTW - to answer to one of the other queries, the keyboard driver for the User interface is not complete yet - so the input boxes don't work completely. What do people think about the UI - I'm open for suggestions for improvement. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 9 16:51:54 1997 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 16:03:05 +0100 From: D.M.Zambonini@cs.cf.ac.uk (D M Zambonini) Message-Id: <199706091503.QAA11444@dornar.cs.cf.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Your wish is my command Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: okkzPrT3vnBysxLH2zDNqA== Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1676 Lines: 44 > >> >Hang on... the graphics worked fine? Do you mean it detected correctly? > >> Yes. > > >Strange.... I have the same, and it defaults to standard VGA after failing > to > >detect.... perhaps a difference in the graphics card or BIOS? > > I assume that you get some message that it has failed to detect and is > defaulting ? > I don't. The grey 'ok to start' button thingy comes up. > I press enter. > epileptic fit inducing coloured screen flash > stripy sam start screen > > no problem. Well, I can run it, but no 640x480x256 detection, defaults to 320x200. Oh, and for some reason it comes up with svgalib: ark: unknown chipset 0 which is strange, since I **know** the CFG file is in the right place with the correct setting. I hope.... {Cue hordes laughing at some basic lack of understanding} Makes no sense to me, anyways... sure I haven't even **mentioned** ark in the file, so I'll probably continue work on my own SAM emulator. I've just finished opcodes 00H-7FH for the Z80 engine.... So far it's written in 100% 32 bit 80486 protected mode code, but as is often the case, don't expect to see it this side of winter in hell..... :) Comments are welcome, and I apologise to Allan for asking for the source to simcoupe when it's freely available anyway... How does SAMSIM sound for a name....? :) Or SIMSAM ? {Cue music... ooooo.. the simsams... :) } Now, all I need is the ability to load disks on simcoupe, and I can look at that disk from Tobermory I've had lying around pestering me for months..... Either that, or I actually decide to work on my version **this** side of doomsday... DMZ ( Who hasn't seen his own SAM for.... gasp... a year! ) --- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 9 17:06:59 1997 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 16:59:51 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Your wish is my command X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <48929284336@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 316 Lines: 6 > Well, I can run it, but no 640x480x256 detection, defaults to 320x200. > Oh, and for some reason it comes up with svgalib: ark: unknown chipset 0 > which is strange, since I **know** the CFG file is in the right place with the > correct setting. I hope.... Hmm. I get that too now (sure it didn't do that before) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 9 17:07:00 1997 Message-ID: <2038D83001F73000@c2gate.tcom.co.uk> Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 16:43:00 +0100 From: Dan Doore Organization: * To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no (SAM-USER@SMTP {sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no}) Subject: RE: Your wish is my command Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.20B.16 MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 393 Lines: 14 > Tried it at home last night btw, under DOS. Doesn't like my ET4000 based > motherboard-soldered graphics chip, but then it's not the only thing. The Linux Boot version used to hate the ET4000 I had in my Compaq at the time too. I'm still without Internet access (at least until Mr Demon sends me some info) so could some soul email me a ZIP so I can test it on my Matrox? Dan. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 9 17:53:11 1997 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 17:36:26 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Your wish is my command X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <489C5DA72E0@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 481 Lines: 13 > I'm still without Internet access (at least until Mr Demon sends me some > info) so could some soul email me a ZIP so I can test it on my Matrox? On its way --dave-- ADVERTISEMENT---- | Holy Cheesus! Cheese flavored potato balls snack! From the makers of Schmilk - the surprising alternative to milk! | ------------+ eat my face: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/5636/ drink my beer: http://yi.com/home/HooperDave/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 9 18:10:12 1997 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 18:00:58 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: SimcDos X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <48A2EA46C3A@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 333 Lines: 6 Hmmm.. it still locks up now and then with typing lines in Basic... it often gets to the state where I can only type up to 3 of each character before it stops accepting any more!! .. but then, bizarrely, the problem just goes away, and it works fine (weird) Pressing scroll lock is still bad! Is there a key for delete forwards? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 9 19:36:52 1997 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 19:29:43 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@blue.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM Basic problem... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2433 Lines: 61 On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, Andrew M Gale wrote: > The program is about 25K, and I know the SAM sometimes > fouls-up with large programs - but surely this isn't large?! "Large" in that sense is anything bigger than about 12K, so some part of the program crosses the page boundary at 32768. > I haven't messed about with ramtop or opening any pages, > and I'm poking to a 3K are around 327680, so that > shouldn't be a problem. Might be a good idea to give it some extra memory to play with, just in case. > What I'm getting is quite a lot of 'BASIC stack full' Certain that's not a bug in your program? Check for anything recursive. > messages, and often I get something like 'Not understood' > and then some weird & wacky line number - editing that line > shows a load of junk, and when I press enter on it, the > sam starts listing the program - and esc won't break > out of it! Most odd... You haven't been using the NMI to break in, have you? That sometimes corrupts programs - I had BIG problems whilst first writing "On The Tiles" and basically had to rewrite it from scratch later on. > Any ideas what's up? After loading it takes a good while > before the cursor appears - presumably just a side effect > of the size. Also, I've done quite a few merge and > renumbers - am I right in thinking these can wreak > havoc sometimes? If things are taking a VERY long time (as opposed to just a long time) your program could have caught the obscure variables bug. I can't remember exactly what causes it, but if I remember right, Ian wrote a fix for it and included that in the PLAY code (the music database included with that is also a VERY big basic program - which involved dozens of MERGEs and RENUMbers to create) > Any help would be greatly appreciated! HTH > Andy Andrew NB "Play" and "On The Tiles" are both on "Syncytium" for 10UKP; see the web page for details (Um, if I ever got round to putting that bit up) +----------------------------------------+---------------------------+ | Second Law Of Thermodynamics: | Andrew Collier, 1A NatSci | | If you think things are in a | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | | mess now, just you wait.... | Selwyn College, Cambridge | +----------------------------------------+---------------------------+ | See Gloucester show photos at http://brain.sel.cam.ac.uk/~asc25 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From imc Tue Jun 10 10:34:40 1997 Subject: Re: SAM Basic problem... To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 10:34:40 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Andrew Collier" at Jun 9, 97 07:29:43 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1899 Lines: 35 On Mon, 9 Jun 1997 19:29:43 +0100 (BST), Andrew Collier said: > > Any ideas what's up? After loading it takes a good while > > before the cursor appears - presumably just a side effect > > of the size. Also, I've done quite a few merge and > > renumbers - am I right in thinking these can wreak > > havoc sometimes? > If things are taking a VERY long time (as opposed to just a long time) > your program could have caught the obscure variables bug. I can't remember > exactly what causes it, but if I remember right, Ian wrote a fix for it > and included that in the PLAY code (the music database included with that > is also a VERY big basic program - which involved dozens of MERGEs and > RENUMbers to create) Ah, no. The fix I included in PLAY is for the "on error foo" problem - that is, if an error occurs in the program in a different page from where foo is located, then you get "Not understood" instead of it actually doing foo. Or something like that. I never did locate the variables problem. Basically, if your program has so many labels that more than 512 bytes is required to create variables for them then every time you CLEAR or RUN the machine goes into an infinite loop. If you break in with the NMI key there will be 512 bytes more space than before so when you type any command and it tries to rebuild the labels it has more chance of succeeding than before. This can carry on until all the labels fit in memory, and then it will no longer crash. Normally when you load or edit the program it will already have the old versions of the labels in memory so it will not crash; it is when you clear the variables away that the problem occurs. However, even if you do not trigger this bug, it takes an absolute age to rebuild the labels if your program has a lot of them, and this happens every time you load a program, or edit the program and then type any command. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 10 11:41:54 1997 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 11:32:20 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@dedekind.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam users Subject: Re: Z380 Manual In-Reply-To: <199706071246.NAA31960@BITS.bris.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 888 Lines: 23 On Sat, 7 Jun 1997, Stephen Harding wrote: > >I never did get my Z380 manual from Bob. Oh well. Never mind. I've got > >more important things to think about now.. > > > > >|Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence:| > > > > No, Neither did I. No explanation or anything.... > > Did anyone actually recieve one? Those people that went to the show got one. James Curry did and showed me it. It's a nice chip. I'll have to get one to play around with one day. -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 10 14:54:01 1997 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 14:39:40 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: SAM Basic problem... X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <49ED43E590B@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 137 Lines: 7 > Ah, no. The fix I included in PLAY is for the "on error foo" problem - that [snip] Something to sort out for the SAMSON then? ;) -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 10 14:54:04 1997 Message-ID: <0F3AD83001F73000@c2gate.tcom.co.uk> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 14:20:00 +0100 From: Dan Doore Organization: * To: si@obobo.demon.co.uk (Si Owen) Cc: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no (Sam Users Mailing List) Subject: RE: Your wish is my command Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.20B.16 MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1025 Lines: 46 Dave sent it to me, cheers anyway. It doesn't like my Millennium much - it thinks it's an ARK when it autodetects and does strange things to my Win95 desktop... Dan. ---------- From: Si Owen Sent: 10 June 1997 07:15 To: Dan Doore Subject: RE: Your wish is my command On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, Dan Doore wrote: > I'm still without Internet access (at least until Mr Demon sends me some > info) so could some soul email me a ZIP so I can test it on my Matrox? Gimme a shout if you've still not been mailed it. Didn't work on my Mystique :-( Couldn't use hi-res for mode 3 :-( Si /------------------------------------+------------------------------------ ----\ \ | Si Owen | Home: si@obobo.demon.co.uk | | Wordcraft International Ltd, UK | Work: sowen@wordcraft.co.uk | | Fax: +44-1332-295525 | WWW: www.obobo.demon.co.uk | \------------------------------------+------------------------------------ ----/ / From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 10 16:19:32 1997 X-Warning: Original message contained 8-bit characters, however during the SMTP transport session the receiving system was unable to announce capability of receiving 8-bit SMTP (RFC 1425-1428), and as this message does not have MIME headers (RFC 1341) to enable encoding change, we had very little choices. X-Warning: We ASSUME it is less harmfull to add the MIME headers, and convert the text to Quoted-Printable, than not to do so, and to strip the message to 7-bits.. (RFC 1428 Appendix A) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=UNKNOWN-8BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 16:05:43 +0100 (BST) From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <880.199706101505@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus In-Reply-To: <339af197.8987158@news.enterprise.net> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1760 Lines: 45 I can't believe that you let Jenny post this ... in alt.comp.virus of all the flaming places! Talk about off-topic! In article <339af197.8987158@news.enterprise.net> you write: >Now that Microsoft have done the dirty and abandoned DOS and Win 3.x >users there are a lot of people looking for help and support. And that >is just what were are here to do - provide the support you need. > >INDUG, the INdependant User Group, is now 10 years old - and still >growing. We have a world-wide membership covering computer users at >all levels and with every type of PC from 8086 to Pentium Pro. > >UK subscription is only =A320 a year (overseas =A330) and you get >unlimited technical support and a free monthly magazine (well worth >the money on its own) plus lots more. > >Want to know more about us? Then Email your snail-mail address to:- > >FormatPub@aol.com or telephone us on Gloucester (01452) 412572 > >and we will send you all the details.=20 > >Don't worry, there is no commitment placed on you just because you ask >for details. > >We are not the sort of club(so called) that demands you make regular >purchases, we don't keep sending you sent approval. - We are a user >group, we exist to help you, not to extract large amounts of money >from you. > >And finally, don't worry, we do not sell your address on to other >people so you wont receive a torrent of junk mail - promise. > >Thank you for reading and I look forward to your email. > >Jenny Bundock. >Membership Secretary. > --=20 ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ----- Any unsolicited commercial emails received will be proofread and=20 returned to source, along with a bill for 150UKP. Sending such=20 emails to my account will be deemed acceptance of these terms. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jun 11 00:03:14 1997 Message-ID: <339DC0B6.7B3F@ndirect.co.uk> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 22:01:42 +0100 From: Nev Young Organization: ndirect X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Z380 Manual References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1948 Lines: 64 Justin Skists wrote: > > On Sat, 7 Jun 1997, Stephen Harding wrote: > > > >I never did get my Z380 manual from Bob. Oh well. Never mind. I've got > > >more important things to think about now.. > > > > > > > >|Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence:| > > > > > > > No, Neither did I. No explanation or anything.... > > > > Did anyone actually recieve one? > > Those people that went to the show got one. James Curry did and showed me > it. It's a nice chip. I'll have to get one to play around with one day. > In the absence of BrenchleyR@aol.com :-) I will re-post this message from ages ago. You prolly missed it being on holiday or summat. ---------------------- Subject: Z380 Documentation. Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 04:55:22 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Silly me, I did not have my brain in gear on Saturday. I know I gave out 10 photocopies of the Provisional Z380 Manual - but like a fool, I forgot to note who they went to. Those I do remember are:- Steve Nutting, Allan Skillman, Andrew Collier, Stefan Drissen, Frode Tenneboe (glad you managed to make it Frode). So the big question is: who had the other five? Or, more important, who asked for a copy from me (when I requested emails before Easter) and did not get to the show? Let me know and I will post it. Bob. --------------------- hth nev -- ---------------------------------------------------- | | |This site is developing self awareness | |(Oh no I'm not. cognito ergo P120-SX) | |--------------------------------------------------| |Home nevilley@ndirect.co.uk | |Work gbh3rknr@ibmmail.com | |http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~nevilley/homepage.htm | ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jun 11 00:03:15 1997 Message-ID: <339DC1F6.3D77@ndirect.co.uk> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 22:07:02 +0100 From: Nev Young Organization: ndirect X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users References: <880.199706101505@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1033 Lines: 33 Mr P R Walker wrote: > > I can't believe that you let Jenny post this ... in alt.comp.virus > of all the flaming places! Talk about off-topic! > >Jenny Bundock. > >Membership Secretary. > > > > -- > ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ----- > Any unsolicited commercial emails received will be proofread and looks familiar :-) Well de man at Format[tm] him say this has got some new subs so don't knock it. I suppose we should just be grateful that (s)he's not started world wide spamming to flog his mag. :-)> -- ---------------------------------------------------- | | |This site is developing self awareness | |(Oh no I'm not. cognito ergo P120-SX) | |--------------------------------------------------| |Home nevilley@ndirect.co.uk | |Work gbh3rknr@ibmmail.com | |http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~nevilley/homepage.htm | ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jun 11 00:03:16 1997 Message-ID: <339DC2F5.BE5@ndirect.co.uk> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 22:11:17 +0100 From: Nev Young Organization: ndirect X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sams users mail list Subject: simcoupe(dos) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 766 Lines: 24 Ok I'm a bloody liar. I didn't mean to be it was an accident. I obviously didn't save the .cfg file after changing it. when I did I realised it does not recognise my video board CL-GD5446 sorry to have mislead every one. I will wear the pointy hat with a D on tomorrow. :-) nev. -- ---------------------------------------------------- | | |This site is developing self awareness | |(Yeah and bloody smarter than you are too) | |--------------------------------------------------| |Home nevilley@ndirect.co.uk | |Work gbh3rknr@ibmmail.com | |http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~nevilley/homepage.htm | ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jun 11 09:39:25 1997 From: Stephen Harding Message-Id: <199706110836.JAA15207@BITS.bris.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Z380 Manual To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no (sam users) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:36:42 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 390 Lines: 12 > In the absence of BrenchleyR@aol.com :-) I will re-post this > message from ages ago. > You prolly missed it being on holiday or summat. [Bob's 'please mail me so I can ignore it as usual message' SNIPPED] Nope, I didn't miss it. I responded to it to both his Format and Bob accounts, but recieved no reply either way. -Did anyone else get any reply? or is it something dodgy my end? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jun 11 11:13:30 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <6897.199706111004@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:04:40 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <339DC1F6.3D77@ndirect.co.uk> from "Nev Young" at Jun 10, 97 10:07:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 281 Lines: 9 > Well de man at Format[tm] him say this has got some new subs so don't > knock it. This sounds rude, but I don't care whether it got them subs or not - spamming like that is bad, and Bob (and Jenny) should have known better. It was an anti-virus group for 's sake! Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jun 11 12:57:54 1997 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:44:19 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@kola.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam users Subject: Re: Z380 Manual In-Reply-To: <199706110836.JAA15207@BITS.bris.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 997 Lines: 25 On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, Stephen Harding wrote: > > In the absence of BrenchleyR@aol.com :-) I will re-post this > > message from ages ago. > > You prolly missed it being on holiday or summat. > > [Bob's 'please mail me so I can ignore it as usual message' > SNIPPED] > > Nope, I didn't miss it. > > I responded to it to both his Format and Bob accounts, but > recieved no reply either way. > -Did anyone else get any reply? or is it something dodgy my end? I had exactly the same problem. Then again, I had the advantage of assuming that I wouldn't recieve one. Me not being a subscriber, and all.. -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jun 11 12:57:54 1997 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:47:44 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@kola.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM Basic problem... In-Reply-To: <49ED43E590B@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 623 Lines: 16 On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, Dave Hooper wrote: > > Ah, no. The fix I included in PLAY is for the "on error foo" problem - that > [snip] > > Something to sort out for the SAMSON then? SAMson... I remeber that name from somewhere... -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jun 11 14:47:39 1997 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 13:26:29 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@puce.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users In-Reply-To: <6897.199706111004@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 852 Lines: 21 On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, Mr P R Walker wrote: > This sounds rude, but I don't care whether it got them subs or not - spamming > like that is bad, and Bob (and Jenny) should have known better. It was an > anti-virus group for 's sake! That said, Bob's an AOL user :) Ooops, I really should try to be a little more politically correct... Andrew +----------------------------------------+---------------------------+ | Second Law Of Thermodynamics: | Andrew Collier, 1A NatSci | | If you think things are in a | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | | mess now, just you wait.... | Selwyn College, Cambridge | +----------------------------------------+---------------------------+ | See Gloucester show photos at http://brain.sel.cam.ac.uk/~asc25 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jun 11 14:54:42 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <17869.199706111238@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 13:38:01 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Andrew Collier" at Jun 11, 97 01:26:29 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 179 Lines: 10 > That said, Bob's an AOL user :) Ooh. :) > Ooops, I really should try to be a little more politically correct... In this case, it turns out to be accurate... Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jun 11 15:41:14 1997 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:24:12 EDT From: "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Calling All Windows And DOS Users Message-Id: <19970611142746Z49162-26125+3691@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1021 Lines: 33 Date: 1997-06-11 15:21 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Andrew Collier >To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users > >On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, Mr P R Walker wrote: > >> This sounds rude, but I don't care whether it got them subs or not - >spamming >> like that is bad, and Bob (and Jenny) should have known better. It was an >> anti-virus group for 's sake] AH I see. I saw it in uk.comp.adverts (where it belongs) If he's been spamming than I will shoot him on his return. > >That said, Bob's an AOL user :) ITYM Bob's an AOL user :( lol nev BTW have you seen the spam from the twarrrt on netcom.ca "send me 20 dollars cash and I'll send you nothing" and "do you want to work on American tv? send me cash" I've reported him for spamming in 4 ng already. Why is it that so many think that all normally held moral and legal principals can just be ignored once they get on-line? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jun 11 16:23:42 1997 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 16:13:15 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Walker X-Sender: csuan@holly To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users In-Reply-To: <19970611142746Z49162-26125+3691@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 721 Lines: 26 On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, YOUNG, Neville / IT Life wrote: > AH I see. I saw it in uk.comp.adverts (where it belongs) In there is fine, yes, but not in alt.comp.virus ... :) > If he's been spamming than I will shoot him on his return. It's not that bad, I guess - I've not seen it in any others I take. But it was still annoying... > >That said, Bob's an AOL user :) > ITYM Bob's an AOL user :( ITYM? > Why is it that so many think that all normally held moral and > legal principals can just be ignored once they get on-line? I've no idea ... annoying though. A large mailbomb might stop them though... hmm... (Mailbomb in the fido sense, that is.) ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ----- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jun 11 16:23:42 1997 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 16:23:10 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <4B88E974D0C@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 76 Lines: 8 > ITYM? I Think You Mean > (Mailbomb in the fido sense, that is.) Wuff? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jun 11 16:50:31 1997 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 16:31:55 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Walker X-Sender: csuan@lupin To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users In-Reply-To: <4B88E974D0C@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 686 Lines: 22 On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, Dave Hooper wrote: > > ITYM? > I Think You Mean Ah. Thanks. > > (Mailbomb in the fido sense, that is.) > Wuff? Never used Fidonet? You don't know what you're missing... :) A Fidonet mailbomb is a small file that expands to a very large one - for example, I have one here that Dave Whitmore made some time ago, which is ~1400 bytes compressed, but which expands to over 8 meg. It's much better, because that way you don't have to send a massive file, but it can still wipe out a system if you use it right (and if they don't have protection). Ahem. Not that I'd do such a thing, of course ... ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ----- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jun 11 16:50:36 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <1509.199706111536@lupin.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Little blue feet To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no (sam-users) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 16:36:19 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 200 Lines: 7 Hi All, There's someone at warwick who wants to get these (and possibly other parts for the Sam as well) ... anyone have Bob's snail address? (I'll give him the formatpub aol address as well.) Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jun 11 22:50:10 1997 Message-ID: <339F1AC9.5EEE@ndirect.co.uk> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 22:38:17 +0100 From: Nev Young Organization: ndirect X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Little blue feet References: <1509.199706111536@lupin.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 757 Lines: 25 Mr P R Walker wrote: > > Hi All, > > There's someone at warwick who wants to get these (and possibly other parts > for the Sam as well) ... anyone have Bob's snail address? (I'll give him the > formatpub aol address as well.) > > Paul 34 Bourton Road Gloucester GL4 0LE -- ---------------------------------------------------- | | |This site is developing self awareness | |(Oh no I'm not. cognito ergo P120-SX) | |--------------------------------------------------| |Home nevilley@ndirect.co.uk | |Work gbh3rknr@ibmmail.com | |http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~nevilley/homepage.htm | ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jun 13 19:21:45 1997 From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 19:18:40 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: where is everybody? X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <4EB7CB4411D@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 171 Lines: 7 Right. Exams are finished, and now all that remains for me to do is go home and tan. Except I'll probably end up working or something boring like that. later... -- dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jun 15 10:01:18 1997 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 04:58:40 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970615045840_-1964027053@emout20.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Hello Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 230 Lines: 13 In a message dated 06/06/97 15:45:38, you write: > >On Fri, 6 Jun 1997 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > >> p.s. I'm away next week, just in case anyone misses me (not much chance I >> know). > >Anywhere interesting? No. Kent. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jun 15 10:06:05 1997 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 05:03:27 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970615050326_1560167435@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Z380 Manual Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 652 Lines: 24 In a message dated 07/06/97 12:34:03, you write: >>I never did get my Z380 manual from Bob. Oh well. Never mind. I've got >>more important things to think about now.. >> > >>|Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence:| >> > >No, Neither did I. No explanation or anything.... > >Did anyone actually recieve one? > >C9, >Numbly. All the requests I got had a copy sent out - I think the total was 28 copies but I can't find my printed list just at the moment. If you requested one, and have not had it yet, email FormatPub@aol.com with your mailing address and the subject line Z380 MANUAL and I will look into it. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jun 15 10:21:04 1997 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 05:19:09 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970615051906_-1194339568@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 488 Lines: 16 In a message dated 10/06/97 17:27:54, you write: >I can't believe that you let Jenny post this ... in alt.comp.virus >of all the flaming places! Talk about off-topic! > >In article <339af197.8987158@news.enterprise.net> you write: >>Now that Microsoft have done the dirty and abandoned DOS and Win 3.x [snip] >> Sorry, don't see your point. It is one of the alt.comp newsgroups therefore it is computer related. I think it is therefore a very good place to post such a message. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jun 15 10:24:41 1997 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 05:21:36 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970615052133_-1396185327@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 771 Lines: 27 In a message dated 11/06/97 07:49:33, you write: >Mr P R Walker wrote: >> >> I can't believe that you let Jenny post this ... in alt.comp.virus >> of all the flaming places! Talk about off-topic! > >> >Jenny Bundock. >> >Membership Secretary. >> > >> >> -- >> ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ----- >> Any unsolicited commercial emails received will be proofread and >looks familiar :-) > >Well de man at Format[tm] him say this has got some new subs so don't >knock it. >I suppose we should just be grateful that (s)he's not started world wide >spamming to flog his mag. > >:-)> Very true, we are being _very_ selective about where the posting is going. Mind you, it was nice sending it to some of the Microsloth groups :) Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jun 15 10:29:59 1997 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 05:26:46 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970615052645_-1764966413@emout11.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 623 Lines: 19 In a message dated 11/06/97 14:04:56, you write: >> Well de man at Format[tm] him say this has got some new subs so don't >> knock it. > >This sounds rude, but I don't care whether it got them subs or not - spamming >like that is bad, and Bob (and Jenny) should have known better. It was an >anti-virus group for 's sake! > >Paul And it is a place to which many people who are having problems with virus infection will turn. As our group is all about supporting people, the newsgroup is a very valid place for the message. We will post new messages at regular intervals to that and other suitable groups. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jun 15 11:01:24 1997 Message-Id: <199706150958.LAA14957@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 11:59:13 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 684 Lines: 26 ---------- > Van: BrenchleyR@aol.com > Aan: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Onderwerp: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users > Datum: Sunday, June 15, 1997 11:19 [snip] > > Sorry, don't see your point. It is one of the alt.comp newsgroups therefore > it is computer related. I think it is therefore a very good place to post > such a message. > > > Bob. Oh goddess, that is what is getting me pissed. this is not personal Bob but it is the same lame excuse that every spammer uses. Newsgroups are not for free advertising, I know you will disagree but that is the way I am feeling about it. Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] 14 BREAK, CONTINUE to repeat 10:1 From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jun 15 18:14:22 1997 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 13:12:30 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970615131229_1075872406@emout03.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Little blue feet Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 297 Lines: 13 In a message dated 11/06/97 16:01:21, you write: >Hi All, > >There's someone at warwick who wants to get these (and possibly other parts >for the Sam as well) ... anyone have Bob's snail address? (I'll give him the >formatpub aol address as well.) > >Paul Light Blue, Dark Blue or Black? Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jun 15 18:24:34 1997 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 13:22:56 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970615132255_-494129252@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 736 Lines: 17 In a message dated 15/06/97 11:21:35, you write: > >Oh goddess, that is what is getting me pissed. this is not personal Bob but >it is the same lame excuse that every spammer uses. > >Newsgroups are not for free advertising, I know you will disagree but that >is the way I am feeling about it. There is, in my mind anyway, a big difference between /spamming/ as it is called and advertising. As I said before, we have taken care to target only computer related newsgroups, even in some cases tayloring the posting to the individual ng. We are not constantly posting the same thing over and over again and the object is to offer help and support to anyone who needs it - if you consider that wrong then I'm sorry, but I don't. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jun 15 20:10:51 1997 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 20:08:57 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@puce.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users In-Reply-To: <970615132255_-494129252@emout04.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2046 Lines: 43 On Sun, 15 Jun 1997 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > >Newsgroups are not for free advertising, I know you will disagree but that > >is the way I am feeling about it. > > There is, in my mind anyway, a big difference between /spamming/ as it is > called and advertising. As I said before, we have taken care to target only Indeed so. Advertising is what you do to other people, spamming is what other people do to you. Nevertheless, newsgroups are not for free advertising. I know you disagreed but that's just the way it is. People on dial-up lines would have to pay to receive the adverts, whether or not they're relevant. Would you like to be sent junk mail through the post, if each envelope contained a bill for postage? Try hosting a web page - at least then people can choose whether or not to download information. Do you see why so many people criticise AOL for not actually telling its subscribers what the net is and what it is for? > computer related newsgroups, even in some cases tayloring the posting to the tailoring > individual ng. We are not constantly posting the same thing over and over > again and the object is to offer help and support to anyone who needs it - if > you consider that wrong then I'm sorry, but I don't. Offering support and help! What about that Guy who wanted to buy a copy of Sam Midi Sequencer? Not to bring up an old topic, but nor did you consider it wrong to openly and unjustly criticise Persona and David Ledbury in that snotty little magazine of yours. No personal offence intended. Andrew +----------------------------------------+---------------------------+ | Second Law Of Thermodynamics: | Andrew Collier, 1A NatSci | | If you think things are in a | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | | mess now, just you wait.... | Selwyn College, Cambridge | +----------------------------------------+---------------------------+ | See Gloucester show photos at http://brain.sel.cam.ac.uk/~asc25 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+