From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 16 09:42:15 1997 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 04:39:28 EDT From: "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: I don't believe that you wanted to do that Message-Id: <19970616083945Z49156-26125+9149@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 338 Lines: 17 Date: 1997-06-16 09:40 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: "Robert van der Veeke" >To: >Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users >> Bob. >Oh goddess, May I nominate this as misspelling of the week ? nev ;-) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 16 11:17:15 1997 Message-Id: <199706161009.MAA11822@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: I don't believe that you wanted to do that Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 12:11:00 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 568 Lines: 21 > Van: YOUNG, Neville / IT Life > Aan: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Onderwerp: I don't believe that you wanted to do that > Datum: Monday, June 16, 1997 10:39 > >Oh goddess, > > May I nominate this as misspelling of the week ? > > nev ;-) > Wait until you see this goddess of mine Point your search-engine at "aa-megamisama" and you see, BTW there are four, "Skuld", "Belldandy", "Urd" and "Peorth", I will take "Urd", so you can have the rest OK :-P Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] 14 BREAK, CONTINUE to repeat 10:1 From imc Mon Jun 16 11:27:53 1997 Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 11:27:53 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <970615132255_-494129252@emout04.mail.aol.com> from "BrenchleyR@aol.com" at Jun 15, 97 01:22:56 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 669 Lines: 15 On Sun, 15 Jun 1997 13:22:56 -0400 (EDT), BrenchleyR@aol.com said: > There is, in my mind anyway, a big difference between /spamming/ as it is > called and advertising. As I said before, we have taken care to target only > computer related newsgroups, even in some cases tayloring the posting to the > individual ng. The technical definition of spamming, insofar as there is one, is posting at least N substantially similar articles within a T-day period, where N is about 20 and T is about 30. It is possible for a commercial posting to be not spam but still not allowed on a newsgroup. Most newsgroup charters which I have seen disallow commercial postings. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 16 11:57:28 1997 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 06:51:49 EDT From: "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: I don't believe that you wanted to do that Message-Id: <19970616105202Z49156-26125+9274@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 618 Lines: 25 Date: 1997-06-16 11:54 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: "Robert van der Veeke" >To: >Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 12:11:00 +0200 > >> >Oh goddess, >> >> May I nominate this as misspelling of the week ? >> >> nev ;-) >> >Wait until you see this goddess of mine > >Point your search-engine at "aa-megamisama" and you see, BTW there are >four, "Skuld", "Belldandy", "Urd" and "Peorth", I will take "Urd", so you >can have the rest OK :-P Will have to wait till I'm home. No web access at work :-( nev. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 16 11:57:28 1997 Message-Id: From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale) Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 11:52:26 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Andrew Collier" at Jun 15, 97 08:08:57 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 407 Lines: 12 > People on dial-up lines would have to pay to receive the adverts, whether > or not they're relevant. Would you like to be sent junk mail through the > post, if each envelope contained a bill for postage? Try hosting a web > page - at least then people can choose whether or not to download > information. > Well surely they could complain about discussions about spamming on the sam-users list! Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 16 12:39:50 1997 Message-Id: <199706161131.NAA22975@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 13:32:52 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1410 Lines: 40 > Van: Ian Collier > Aan: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Onderwerp: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users > Datum: Monday, June 16, 1997 12:27 > The technical definition of spamming, insofar as there is one, is posting > at least N substantially similar articles within a T-day period, where N > is about 20 and T is about 30. > > It is possible for a commercial posting to be not spam but still not > allowed on a newsgroup. Most newsgroup charters which I have seen > disallow commercial postings. > > imc There is such a thing that is called the Breidbart Index and it is used to determine the worst offenders (posters and ISPs who allow postings of spammers). According to this index anything above 20 is BAD, now how do you get to this number of 20? You have to post a certain number of messages to NG's (BTW Bob was nowhere near that number 20). The Breidbart Index (BI) is defined as the sum of the square roots of n (n is the number of newsgroups each copy was posted to). So if Bob made two messages and he crossposted one to 9 NG's and the other to 16 NG's than the BI would be the following: sqr (9)+sqr(16) = 3+4 = 7 wich is an BI of 7 (this is an example of course, no offense) And then to think that there are ISP's and spammers who make it to an BI of 17.000 or more Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] 14 BREAK, CONTINUE to repeat 10:1 From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 16 13:07:16 1997 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 08:03:51 EDT From: "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Calling All Windows And DOS Users Message-Id: <19970616120415Z49156-26125+9280@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 561 Lines: 19 Date: 1997-06-16 13:06 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: "Robert van der Veeke" >To: >Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 13:32:52 +0200 >There is such a thing that is called the Breidbart Index and it is used to >determine the worst offenders (posters and ISPs who allow postings of >spammers). FYI. There are a number of cancel bots out there that use a Breidbart of as little as 4 and some of Bob's spa^h^h^hmessages have been cancelled ] nev. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 16 13:18:26 1997 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 13:11:16 +0100 From: D.M.Zambonini@cs.cf.ac.uk (D M Zambonini) Message-Id: <199706161211.NAA27418@rivalin.cs.cf.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: VllO6KJ8lDtjwKDMTOK26w== Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 250 Lines: 10 > FYI. There are a number of cancel bots out there that use a Breidbart of as > little as 4 and some of Bob's spa^h^h^hmessages have been cancelled ] > > nev. ^h^h^h, eh? A shame that a true backspace sequence is more like ^H^H^H... :) DMZ --- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 16 13:29:59 1997 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 08:26:06 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970616082605_553266548@emout15.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1500 Lines: 37 In a message dated 16/06/97 10:29:21, you write: >On Sun, 15 Jun 1997 13:22:56 -0400 (EDT), BrenchleyR@aol.com said: >> There is, in my mind anyway, a big difference between /spamming/ as it is >> called and advertising. As I said before, we have taken care to target only >> computer related newsgroups, even in some cases tayloring the posting to >the >> individual ng. > >The technical definition of spamming, insofar as there is one, is posting >at least N substantially similar articles within a T-day period, where N >is about 20 and T is about 30. > >It is possible for a commercial posting to be not spam but still not >allowed on a newsgroup. Most newsgroup charters which I have seen >disallow commercial postings. > >imc Thank you Ian. As I have said, all postings were sent to computer related newsgroups. If a charter had been posted when the full list of available messages was downloaded then it was read. Two newsgroups were illiminated from the list because they excluded advertising - however, a message offering help to those in need of it has been posted to both of those. Six newsgroups did not come up with a charter - alt.virus was one of those. Mass 'spamming' is a pain - you do not want to clog up your system with unrelated matterial. But direct advertising over the net to a selected audiance via a news-group is a very valid way of spreading the word about FORMAT PC and we will continue to do it at regular intervals. Hope this makes things clear for all. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 16 13:30:06 1997 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 08:26:03 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970616082602_1721234690@emout14.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 166 Lines: 11 In a message dated 11/06/97 15:54:25, you write: >>That said, Bob's an AOL user :) >ITYM Bob's an AOL user :( > >lol >nev So are lots and lots of people :) Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 16 20:17:47 1997 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 15:09:30 -0400 (EDT) From: BillRitman@aol.com Message-ID: <970616150746_-1262146691@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Z380 Manual Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 438 Lines: 15 In a message dated 15/06/97 12:11:59, you write: > >All the requests I got had a copy sent out - I think the total was 28 copies >but I can't find my printed list just at the moment. > >If you requested one, and have not had it yet, email FormatPub@aol.com with >your mailing address and the subject line Z380 MANUAL and I will look into >it. > >Bob. Mine arrived okay. Can't say I understand it all yet but it looks very good. Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 16 20:24:55 1997 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 15:20:32 -0400 (EDT) From: BillRitman@aol.com Message-ID: <970616151953_57657224@emout02.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1108 Lines: 26 In a message dated 15/06/97 19:12:21, you write: >People on dial-up lines would have to pay to receive the adverts, whether >or not they're relevant. Would you like to be sent junk mail through the >post, if each envelope contained a bill for postage? Try hosting a web >page - at least then people can choose whether or not to download >information. But we all phone up to get our email and news listings unless you are lucky enough to have the rest of us paying for your access via an educational account. Without adverts how are we supposed to know about new things? Adverts form an important part of the system if you ask me. As you know, I am one of the millions of AOL users. Many never venture out onto the web, AOL time rates are a bit expensive after your initial hours online, one reason I'm now looking at a couple of other ISPs (though I will miss the AOL system if I do cut and run). > >Do you see why so many people criticise AOL for not actually telling its >subscribers what the net is and what it is for? And other ISPs do? Looks to me as if you are just finding fault again. Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 16 20:34:15 1997 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 15:28:57 -0400 (EDT) From: BillRitman@aol.com Message-ID: <970616152324_979862667@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 300 Lines: 14 In a message dated 11/06/97 18:31:20, you write: >That said, Bob's an AOL user :) > >Ooops, I really should try to be a little more politically correct... > > >Andrew So, got a problem with AOL have we? Bill. (who has - a prob that is - these emails are always coming through in strange order) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 16 22:16:19 1997 Message-ID: <33A5A6F8.4C79@ndirect.co.uk> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 21:50:01 +0100 From: Nev Young Organization: ndirect X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: I don't believe that you wanted to do that References: <199706161009.MAA11822@mailserv.caiw.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 729 Lines: 21 Robert van der Veeke wrote: > > > > Wait until you see this goddess of mine > > Point your search-engine at "aa-megamisama" and you see, BTW there are > four, "Skuld", "Belldandy", "Urd" and "Peorth", I will take "Urd", so you manganificent ! -- ---------------------------------------------------- | | |This site is developing self awareness | |(Oh no I'm not. cognito ergo P120-SX) | |--------------------------------------------------| |Home nevilley@ndirect.co.uk | |Work gbh3rknr@ibmmail.com | |http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~nevilley/homepage.htm | ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 16 22:36:05 1997 Message-Id: <199706162132.XAA11205@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: I don't believe that you wanted to do that Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 23:33:05 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 561 Lines: 21 . Van: Nev Young > Aan: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Onderwerp: Re: I don't believe that you wanted to do that > Datum: Monday, June 16, 1997 10:50 > > Robert van der Veeke wrote: > > > > > > > Wait until you see this goddess of mine > > > > Point your search-engine at "aa-megamisama" and you see, BTW there are > > four, "Skuld", "Belldandy", "Urd" and "Peorth", I will take "Urd", so you > > manganificent ! > Grin from ear to ear Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] 14 BREAK, CONTINUE to repeat 10:1 From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 16 23:16:18 1997 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 23:14:28 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@puce.csi.cam.ac.uk To: Sam-users Subject: Disk Imager Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1099 Lines: 24 You may remember, towards the end of last term, that a few people were asking for a program - resident on the Sam - which could take a Sam disk and create a compressed file (or at most two files) which could be transferred to nvg and back by ftp, and used to recreate an exact copy of the original disk. Well here it finally is. I'd *almost* finished it at the end of the Easter holiday, but until today I haven't had the exam-free spare time to put the finishing touches to it. I've uploaded it to ftp.nvg.ntnu.no/pub/sam-coupe/incoming - presumably Frode can relocate it somewhere..... Andrew +----------------------------------------+---------------------------+ | Second Law Of Thermodynamics: | Andrew Collier, 1A NatSci | | If you think things are in a | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | | mess now, just you wait.... | Selwyn College, Cambridge | +----------------------------------------+---------------------------+ | See Gloucester show photos at http://brain.sel.cam.ac.uk/~asc25 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 17 07:45:47 1997 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 08:39:22 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9706170639.AA10522@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Disk Imager X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 268 Lines: 8 > I've uploaded it to ftp.nvg.ntnu.no/pub/sam-coupe/incoming - presumably > Frode can relocate it somewhere..... It's moved to ./utils/disk/mdiskcom.zip. I have compressed the .bin and .txt with zip. I hope this is OK for everybody. If not, please tell me. -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 17 12:36:31 1997 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 07:32:18 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970617073218_-1161193432@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2152 Lines: 52 In a message dated 16/06/97 19:44:40, you write: >But we all phone up to get our email and news listings unless you are lucky >enough to have the rest of us paying for your access via an educational >account. Without adverts how are we supposed to know about new things? >Adverts form an important part of the system if you ask me. I think the cost of downloading is a red herring - its so fast that provided the advert is one suitable for the newsgroup in question, or a carefully targetted direct email, then it is a valid use of the internet. An invalid use would be to target newsgroups of emails that are not suitable to the advert. You pay to watch TV, do you complain about the adverts? You buy a magazine, do you complain about the adverts? You read a newspaper, do you complain about the adverts? No. Because you realize that the adverts help to pay for the TV, magazine and newspaper. There is an advert on CNN that shows what you would get is advertising was banned from the media. Well the internet is no different. As yet it is still young and there is a lot of free advertising routes available. People use them so they can grow, knowing that one day charges will be levied, such is life. As a User Group, INDUG needs to grow - to benifit everyone. I only wish one or two of the idiots that go out of their way to knock anything we do would just grow up. > >As you know, I am one of the millions of AOL users. Many never venture out >onto the web, AOL time rates are a bit expensive after your initial hours >online, one reason I'm now looking at a couple of other ISPs (though I will >miss the AOL system if I do cut and run). A very true statement Bill, web access via AOL is both slow and expensive. I'm lucky in having Prestel for web access - although nothing beats AOL for email if, like me, you sometimes travel a lot. > >> >>Do you see why so many people criticise AOL for not actually telling its >>subscribers what the net is and what it is for? > >And other ISPs do? Looks to me as if you are just finding fault again. > Ignore it Bill, it seems some people are just like that :( But thanks for your support. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 17 12:41:43 1997 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 12:35:32 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Walker X-Sender: csuan@holly To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users In-Reply-To: <970616082605_553266548@emout15.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 578 Lines: 13 On Mon, 16 Jun 1997 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > audiance via a news-group is a very valid way of spreading the word about > FORMAT PC and we will continue to do it at regular intervals. Could you please eliminate alt.comp.virus at least, then, since it really isn't relevant. If not, then it's time to killfile you. ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ----- Any unsolicited commercial emails received will be proofread and returned to source, along with a bill for 150UKP. Sending such emails to my account will be deemed acceptance of these terms. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 17 12:41:43 1997 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 12:38:05 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Walker X-Sender: csuan@holly To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users In-Reply-To: <970617073218_-1161193432@emout06.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 496 Lines: 15 On Tue, 17 Jun 1997 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > > As a User Group, INDUG needs to grow - to benifit everyone. I only wish one > or two of the idiots that go out of their way to knock anything we do would I do *not* "go out of my way to knock anything" you do. I *do* dislike inappropriate postings to newsgroups, which dodge as you will this was! It would be the same if, for example, Fred Publishing had done it, or Saturn Software. I suggest you stop seeing daggers in every corner. Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 17 12:50:23 1997 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 12:47:52 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Walker X-Sender: csuan@holly To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Little blue feet In-Reply-To: <970615131229_1075872406@emout03.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 296 Lines: 10 On Sun, 15 Jun 1997 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > Light Blue, Dark Blue or Black? Blue is all I know I'm afraid, could be light or dark. I gave him both your email and postal addresses, so you should hear from him (Tom Sulston). ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ----- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 17 12:54:47 1997 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 12:50:07 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Walker X-Sender: csuan@holly To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users In-Reply-To: <970615051906_-1194339568@emout16.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 640 Lines: 16 On Sun, 15 Jun 1997 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > Sorry, don't see your point. It is one of the alt.comp newsgroups therefore > it is computer related. I think it is therefore a very good place to post > such a message. Bob, alt.comp.virus deals with *viruses*. Not with people wanting to use the Sam, not with people looking for new subscribers. Viruses. Just because it starts alt.comp *doesn't* mean it's the right place to post adverts! Would you also do the same in alt.comp.acad-freedom, dcom, fsp, msx, blind-users, shareware, freeware, lang, sys...? ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ----- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 17 12:54:48 1997 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 12:50:59 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Walker X-Sender: csuan@holly To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users In-Reply-To: <970615052645_-1764966413@emout11.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 596 Lines: 14 On Sun, 15 Jun 1997 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > infection will turn. As our group is all about supporting people, the > newsgroup is a very valid place for the message. We will post new messages You support virus dis-infecting, do you? You know what they do, and how? Would I be right in guessing that you run McAfee? Or Norton AV? ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ----- Any unsolicited commercial emails received will be proofread and returned to source, along with a bill for 150UKP. Sending such emails to my account will be deemed acceptance of these terms. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 17 13:49:51 1997 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 13:42:32 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@puce.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users In-Reply-To: <970617073218_-1161193432@emout06.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1553 Lines: 41 On Tue, 17 Jun 1997 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > >>Do you see why so many people criticise AOL for not actually telling its > >>subscribers what the net is and what it is for? > > > >And other ISPs do? Looks to me as if you are just finding fault again. Yup > Ignore it Bill, it seems some people are just like that :( > But thanks for your support. > > Bob. Coming soon to a screen near you: The Bob and Bill show!! You'll notice that, once again, I didn't start this argument. But I am agreeing with the side which I think is in the right. If you ever said anything sensible, I'd agree with you then too. It's just that I seem to disagree with everything you do because you do a lot of silly, annoying, arrogant things. I looked up several newsgroups and found your advertising postings - all the same as far as I could see - but in every case that's the only posting you've ever made to the newsgroup, indicating you probably don't read the newsgroup and aren't familiar with the usual style and content of the group. Please, most of the people arguing have actually had rather more experience than you of the internet and newsgroups and whatever else. LISTEN OCCASIONALLY!! Andrew +----------------------------------------+---------------------------+ | Second Law Of Thermodynamics: | Andrew Collier, 1A NatSci | | If you think things are in a | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | | mess now, just you wait.... | Selwyn College, Cambridge | +----------------------------------------+---------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 17 14:03:39 1997 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 13:58:53 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@puce.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users In-Reply-To: <970617073218_-1161193432@emout06.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2691 Lines: 62 On Tue, 17 Jun 1997 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > An invalid use would be to target newsgroups of emails that are not suitable > to the advert. Exactly the point! alt.comp.virus is a rether specialised group and you posted a rather generalised advert. Anyone reading .virus will probably be reading the more general groups too, so will probably have got your advert twice. Now THAT's spamming. > You pay to watch TV, do you complain about the adverts? Well I do much prefer BBC to ITV, for all sorts of reasons - but lack of adverts is one of them. > You buy a magazine, do you complain about the adverts? I've seen that done (letters page, Computer Shopper: March 1997 page 824) > You read a newspaper, do you complain about the adverts? > > No. Because you realize that the adverts help to pay for the TV, magazine and > newspaper. There is an advert on CNN that shows what you would get is > advertising was banned from the media. > > Well the internet is no different. As yet it is still young and there is a > lot of free advertising routes available. People use them so they can grow, > knowing that one day charges will be levied, such is life. Hang on a second - you say the media adverts help pay for the TV, magazine, newspaper etc, then go rabbitting on about these free advertising things on the net. Do your adverts help pay for the upkeep of newsgroups? The answer, I'm afraid, is a resounding NO. The internet is actually very different. If advertising on newsgroups is only going to grow, it will soon be impossible to have a decent conversation what with the advertisers jumping in every few minutes to have their say. It's less like newspapers and TV, and more like a phone conversation - with a badly crossed line to an advertising executive. > A very true statement Bill, web access via AOL is both slow and expensive. Is there anyone who actually *does* like AOL? Anyway that wasn't the question. Why don't you have AOL HOST an INDUG web page? I don't know what the charges are, probably quite cheap depening on the size of your files to a certain limit, but at least the file transfer only has to be done ONCE from your end - then you can post very short newsgroup messages with a URL where anybody interested can read the advertising bumph. If you want an HTML author I'm available.... Andrew +----------------------------------------+---------------------------+ | Second Law Of Thermodynamics: | Andrew Collier, 1A NatSci | | If you think things are in a | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | | mess now, just you wait.... | Selwyn College, Cambridge | +----------------------------------------+---------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 17 15:14:35 1997 Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 14:33:50 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: from "Andrew Collier" at Jun 17, 97 01:58:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <19970617133426Z49154-26125+9432@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 4202 Lines: 84 > > No. Because you realize that the adverts help to pay for the TV, magazine and > > newspaper. There is an advert on CNN that shows what you would get is > > advertising was banned from the media. > > > > Well the internet is no different. As yet it is still young and there is a > > lot of free advertising routes available. People use them so they can grow, > > knowing that one day charges will be levied, such is life. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Listen to someone who knows a little about the Internet -- I've been writing tutorials for the general public for 3 years, I've been quoted in the US Congress and one of my articles was used to form Labour's Internet Policy (though they don't seem to have taken much notice, unfortunately). My name is mentioned in the same breath as Bill Gates and Nicholas Negroponte on web sites in Brazil. I've been interviewed on the Open University, offered interviews on Radio 4 and Radio 5. I've been on the Internet in one form or other since 1988. ADVERTISING ON THE INTERNET COSTS THE RECEIPIENT MONEY. ADVERTS ON THE INTERNET DO NOT GO TOWARDS THE UPKEEP OF THE INTERNET. On average I receive approx. 10-20 junk emails a day. I have to pay to download these. Newsgroups which once were filled with nothing but flame and thoughtfulness have been reduced to the odd message in amongst the junk. IT COSTS ME MONEY TO DOWNLOAD OTHER PEOPLE'S SHITTY ADVERTISING, WHICH ISN'T EVEN RELEVANT MOST OF THE TIME. *THE * DAY * YOU * PAY * FOR * MY * PHONE * BILL * YOU * CAN * ADVERTISE * IN * THIS * MANNER* HAPPILY * JUst because it's free for you, what does it cost in terms of disk space on other peoples machines, network bandwidth, cost of downloads? I don't even get the choice as to whether or not I have to pay for the adverts if I want to get the information/emails I receive. Newsgroups, sure, they're different, but the principle's the same. At least with TV I can ignore the adverts -- I don't pay for TV with adverts anyway. I pay for radio without adverts, and TV without adverts. ITV is free. Channel 4 is free. Channel 5 is free. Independent radio is free. I pay for the privilege of watching and listening to the BBC. Magazines - I can skip the adverts, and the magazine is only economically viable with them. Without them, magazines would cost a lot more than they do now.Adverts make magazines cheaper. Net Advertising on Usenet and Email only makes things more expensive. Digest this and think on it. > Hang on a second - you say the media adverts help pay for the TV, > magazine, newspaper etc, then go rabbitting on about these free > advertising things on the net. Do your adverts help pay for the upkeep of > newsgroups? The answer, I'm afraid, is a resounding NO. > > The internet is actually very different. If advertising on newsgroups is > only going to grow, it will soon be impossible to have a decent > conversation what with the advertisers jumping in every few minutes to > have their say. It's less like newspapers and TV, and more like a phone > conversation - with a badly crossed line to an advertising executive. Hear hear, Andrew. Did you know that one company is planning on giving people free phone calls - except that every 30-seconds or 3 minutes or so, there will be a 30-second advert break in the conversation? > > A very true statement Bill, web access via AOL is both slow and expensive. > > Is there anyone who actually *does* like AOL? Nope. As internet service goes, I rate it very lowly. Compuserve equally. > Anyway that wasn't the question. Why don't you have AOL HOST an INDUG web > page? I don't know what the charges are, probably quite cheap depening on > the size of your files to a certain limit, but at least the file transfer > only has to be done ONCE from your end - then you can post very short > newsgroup messages with a URL where anybody interested can read the > advertising bumph. Not only that, but you can put the website in the online search engines, and even - shock - get other SAM people linking in to it. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 17 15:14:36 1997 Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 14:35:55 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <970617073218_-1161193432@emout06.mail.aol.com> from "BrenchleyR@aol.com" at Jun 17, 97 07:32:18 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <19970617133631Z49156-26125+9433@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 507 Lines: 13 Just remembered: > I think the cost of downloading is a red herring - its so fast that provided > the advert is one suitable for the newsgroup in question, or a carefully > targetted direct email, then it is a valid use of the internet. How fast is your modem? My modem's a 14,400 baud. My internet downloading (on average) goes at 1 email per 30 seconds. My connection dies on average every 5 minutes (due to a bad phone line). How is that fast? *YOUR* downloading is fast. Mine is not. Learn. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 17 17:00:16 1997 Message-Id: <199706171552.RAA24591@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 17:53:27 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2086 Lines: 56 > Van: BrenchleyR@aol.com > Aan: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Onderwerp: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users > Datum: Tuesday, June 17, 1997 1:32 > > In a message dated 16/06/97 19:44:40, you write: > > You pay to watch TV, do you complain about the adverts? > You buy a magazine, do you complain about the adverts? > You read a newspaper, do you complain about the adverts? > > No. Because you realize that the adverts help to pay for the TV, magazine and > newspaper. There is an advert on CNN that shows what you would get is > advertising was banned from the media. > No their are not helping to pay for TV, papers ect. They pay it. No money no newspaper, TV ect. I work for a newspaper and the subscribers only pay for the delivery and paper, the rest of the staff, the printing-machines, the computers, buildings ect. are paid by advertisers in our newspapers, No advertisers no newspaper. On the usenet it is the otherway around, subcribers pay everything while the advertisers pay only their part of sending the spam (Wich is a fraction of what the recieving end has to pay in total, and most at the recieving end did'nt even ask for it). > Well the internet is no different. As yet it is still young and there is a > lot of free advertising routes available. People use them so they can grow, > knowing that one day charges will be levied, such is life. In real life it would mean that some spammers would blow up other TV- and radiostations, shoot postal and delivery trucks of the road and kill journalists and others just to be sure that everyone would listen to (and pay) them because the public has then no one else to turn to. No offense Bob, but there are people around who are trying to do that (Tommy Bridges comes in mind). > As a User Group, INDUG needs to grow - to benifit everyone. I only wish one > or two of the idiots that go out of their way to knock anything we do would > just grow up. I rather be an idiot than a sheep ready for the slaughter. Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] 14 BREAK, CONTINUE to repeat 10:1 From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 17 18:57:20 1997 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 13:53:53 EDT From: "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: For cookie Message-Id: <19970617175443Z49156-26125+9476@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 745 Lines: 22 Date: 1997-06-17 18:54 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 14:35:55 +0100 (BST) >Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) >How fast is your modem? My modem's a 14,400 baud. My internet downloading >(on average) goes at 1 email per 30 seconds. My connection dies on >average every 5 minutes (due to a bad phone line). How is that fast? > >*YOUR* downloading is fast. Mine is not. Learn. > nothing to do with the ongoing flame war. my modem is 33.6K but I download on avarage 60-100 emails per min. and 100-150 ng msg per min. Suggest you try a better ISP if you have a choice. Nev. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jun 18 11:43:50 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <5793.199706181039@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 11:39:48 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <19970617133426Z49154-26125+9432@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> from "Simon Cooke" at Jun 17, 97 02:33:50 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 315 Lines: 10 > My name is mentioned in the same breath as Bill Gates and Nicholas > Negroponte on web sites in Brazil. I've been interviewed on the Open > University, offered interviews on Radio 4 and Radio 5. I've been on the Should I widen the doorframe now or later, Simon? :) I agree with what you said, though. Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jun 18 11:54:44 1997 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 11:49:03 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@indigo.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users In-Reply-To: <5793.199706181039@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 842 Lines: 32 On Wed, 18 Jun 1997, Mr P R Walker wrote: > > My name is mentioned in the same breath as Bill Gates and Nicholas > > Negroponte on web sites in Brazil. I've been interviewed on the Open > > University, offered interviews on Radio 4 and Radio 5. I've been on the > > Should I widen the doorframe now or later, Simon? :) > > I agree with what you said, though. Who's Bill Gates? ** ** ** ** ***** ** ** ** ** ** Andrew +----------------------------------------+---------------------------+ | Second Law Of Thermodynamics: | Andrew Collier, 1A NatSci | | If you think things are in a | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | | mess now, just you wait.... | Selwyn College, Cambridge | +----------------------------------------+---------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jun 18 11:59:25 1997 Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 11:55:16 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <5793.199706181039@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> from "Mr P R Walker" at Jun 18, 97 11:39:48 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <19970618105553Z49154-26125+9575@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 505 Lines: 17 > > > > My name is mentioned in the same breath as Bill Gates and Nicholas > > Negroponte on web sites in Brazil. I've been interviewed on the Open > > University, offered interviews on Radio 4 and Radio 5. I've been on the > > Should I widen the doorframe now or later, Simon? :) > > I agree with what you said, though. Erm... sorry about that. Full rant mode and everything. Please excuse. BTW: the main reason for saying this was to prove that above all else... I Know Whereof I Speak Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jun 18 12:04:50 1997 Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 11:59:58 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: from "Andrew Collier" at Jun 18, 97 11:49:03 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <19970618110059Z49154-26125+9576@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 567 Lines: 16 > > > My name is mentioned in the same breath as Bill Gates and Nicholas > > > Negroponte on web sites in Brazil. I've been interviewed on the Open > > > University, offered interviews on Radio 4 and Radio 5. I've been on the > > > > Should I widen the doorframe now or later, Simon? :) > > > > I agree with what you said, though. > > Who's Bill Gates? Oh, you know... that despot who runs america now :) (or is that the world?) BTW: to see that I'm not lying about that particular claim, check out: http://www.classea.com.br/cultura/news/temp/int_tool.htm From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jun 18 12:19:07 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <12365.199706181106@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 12:06:37 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <19970618105553Z49154-26125+9575@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> from "Simon Cooke" at Jun 18, 97 11:55:16 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 277 Lines: 11 > Erm... sorry about that. Full rant mode and everything. Please excuse. No problem, it just amused me. :) > BTW: the main reason for saying this was to prove that above all else... > I Know Whereof I Speak I think that (at least most) people already realise this... Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jun 18 12:19:07 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <12387.199706181107@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 12:07:04 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Andrew Collier" at Jun 18, 97 11:49:03 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 52 Lines: 7 > Who's Bill Gates? Oh, nobody important. Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jun 18 12:19:07 1997 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 12:11:19 +0100 (BST) From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <12658.199706181111@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> X-URL: http://www.classea.com.br/cultura/news/temp/int_tool.htm To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: int_tool.htm Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2931 Lines: 64 Internet - a tool Silas Lawley Santana & Eduardo Pinheiro do Amaral ABCI - October 1996 Recife - Brazil [INLINE] Introduction & The WEB Motivation Introduction to the NET & Why the Internet How to... Some possible ways to connect your school with the Net Ethical considerations Our bookmark Conclusions & Bibliography Glossary [INLINE] You're visitor number [INLINE] [INLINE] The Internet will continue to grow in popularity until it is as mainstream as the telephone is today." Bill Gates (Microsoft owner) "Computers are moving into our daily lives: 35 percent of American families and 50 percent of American teenagers have a personal computer at home; 30 million people are estimated to be on the Internet; 65 percent of new computers sold worldwide in 1994 were for the home; and 90 percent of those to be sold this year are expected to have modems or CD-ROM drives. These numbers do not even include the fifty microprocessors in the average 1995 automobile, or the microprocessors in your toaster, thermostat, answering machine, CD player, and greeting cards." Nicholas Negroponte ("Being Digital") "The Net is possibly the largest store of information on this planet. Everybody can be part of it; it is one of the few places where race, creed, colour, gender, sexual preference do not prejudice people against others. All this through the magic of modern technology. Communication is the key. People talking to people. The Net isn't computers. That's just the way we access it. The Net is people helping each other in a world-wide community." Simon Cooke _________________________________________________________________ Contact Information [INLINE] Eduardo Pinheiro do Amaral Silas Lawley Santana _________________________________________________________________ Webmaster: Fireh@wk 28/10/96 [LINK] From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jun 18 13:14:45 1997 Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 13:07:15 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <12365.199706181106@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> from "Mr P R Walker" at Jun 18, 97 12:06:37 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <19970618120824Z49154-26125+9579@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 587 Lines: 20 > > Erm... sorry about that. Full rant mode and everything. Please excuse. > > No problem, it just amused me. :) *GRINS* :) > > BTW: the main reason for saying this was to prove that above all else... > > I Know Whereof I Speak > > I think that (at least most) people already realise this... If I've learned one thing in writing though, it's that if you want to make a point, make it so sharp and pointy that it could slide through diamond like a butterknife. Yikes. I got 2 hours sleep last night. THat's what reading Amiga Power 2 -- Back >From The Dead -- will do to you. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jun 18 13:42:43 1997 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 13:37:03 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Walker X-Sender: csuan@lily To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users In-Reply-To: <19970618120824Z49154-26125+9579@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 708 Lines: 19 On Wed, 18 Jun 1997, Simon Cooke wrote: > If I've learned one thing in writing though, it's that if you want to > make a point, make it so sharp and pointy that it could slide through > diamond like a butterknife. Certainly for some people - the daft sod's just done it *again*. Bob, sometimes I really don't believe you. > I got 2 hours sleep last night. THat's what reading Amiga Power 2 -- Back Ah. Slightly more than two hours is good. ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ----- Any unsolicited commercial emails received will be proofread and returned to source, along with a bill for 150UKP. Sending such emails to my account will be deemed acceptance of these terms. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jun 18 14:53:19 1997 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 09:42:02 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970618094201_-992978299@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2152 Lines: 52 In a message dated 16/06/97 19:44:40, you write: >But we all phone up to get our email and news listings unless you are lucky >enough to have the rest of us paying for your access via an educational >account. Without adverts how are we supposed to know about new things? >Adverts form an important part of the system if you ask me. I think the cost of downloading is a red herring - its so fast that provided the advert is one suitable for the newsgroup in question, or a carefully targetted direct email, then it is a valid use of the internet. An invalid use would be to target newsgroups of emails that are not suitable to the advert. You pay to watch TV, do you complain about the adverts? You buy a magazine, do you complain about the adverts? You read a newspaper, do you complain about the adverts? No. Because you realize that the adverts help to pay for the TV, magazine and newspaper. There is an advert on CNN that shows what you would get is advertising was banned from the media. Well the internet is no different. As yet it is still young and there is a lot of free advertising routes available. People use them so they can grow, knowing that one day charges will be levied, such is life. As a User Group, INDUG needs to grow - to benifit everyone. I only wish one or two of the idiots that go out of their way to knock anything we do would just grow up. > >As you know, I am one of the millions of AOL users. Many never venture out >onto the web, AOL time rates are a bit expensive after your initial hours >online, one reason I'm now looking at a couple of other ISPs (though I will >miss the AOL system if I do cut and run). A very true statement Bill, web access via AOL is both slow and expensive. I'm lucky in having Prestel for web access - although nothing beats AOL for email if, like me, you sometimes travel a lot. > >> >>Do you see why so many people criticise AOL for not actually telling its >>subscribers what the net is and what it is for? > >And other ISPs do? Looks to me as if you are just finding fault again. > Ignore it Bill, it seems some people are just like that :( But thanks for your support. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jun 18 14:53:19 1997 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 09:42:04 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970618094203_-561081979@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 463 Lines: 17 In a message dated 17/06/97 11:53:21, you write: >> infection will turn. As our group is all about supporting people, the >> newsgroup is a very valid place for the message. We will post new messages > >You support virus dis-infecting, do you? You know what they do, and how? I will certainly do what I can to help anyone having problems of whatever cause. > >Would I be right in guessing that you run McAfee? Or Norton AV? At the moment,McAfee. Why? Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jun 18 14:53:19 1997 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 09:42:08 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970618094204_553535637@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 411 Lines: 11 In a message dated 17/06/97 16:36:43, you write: >> audiance via a news-group is a very valid way of spreading the word about >> FORMAT PC and we will continue to do it at regular intervals. > >Could you please eliminate alt.comp.virus at least, then, since it really >isn't relevant. If not, then it's time to killfile you. alt.comp.virus is a very relevent newgroup - what makes you think it isn't? Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jun 18 14:53:20 1997 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 09:42:04 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970618094202_-1261936763@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 969 Lines: 28 In a message dated 17/06/97 11:51:54, you write: >On Sun, 15 Jun 1997 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > >> Sorry, don't see your point. It is one of the alt.comp newsgroups therefore >> it is computer related. I think it is therefore a very good place to post >> such a message. > > > >Bob, alt.comp.virus deals with *viruses*. Not with people wanting to use >the Sam, What has SAM got to do with it? The advert was for INDUG and its PC section. > not with people looking for new subscribers. Viruses. Just >because it starts alt.comp *doesn't* mean it's the right place to post >adverts! Would you also do the same in alt.comp.acad-freedom, dcom, fsp, >msx, blind-users, shareware, freeware, lang, sys...? Have not encountered the first 3, MSX would not be appropreate, blind-users? well maybe sometime, when I have something to offer them. But Shareware, freeware ect, yes of course they are valid - in fact I know shareware has been used already. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jun 18 14:53:26 1997 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 09:42:12 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970618094211_24296837@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 6472 Lines: 134 In a message dated 17/06/97 13:36:08, you write: >ADVERTISING ON THE INTERNET COSTS THE RECEIPIENT MONEY. ADVERTS ON THE >INTERNET DO NOT GO TOWARDS THE UPKEEP OF THE INTERNET. Now I don't want to get in an argument with you over this Simon, but that is rubbish. The net is an evolving animal because of its users - each user (business, scientific, educational or home user) pays in part for the upkeep and development of the system. Business users have, so far, only just started to exploit the system - there is a long way to go. Business users pay to use the system and no doubt in the future will have to pay more. > >On average I receive approx. 10-20 junk emails a day. I have to pay to >download these. Newsgroups which once were filled with nothing but flame >and thoughtfulness have been reduced to the odd message in amongst the junk. > >IT COSTS ME MONEY TO DOWNLOAD OTHER PEOPLE'S SHITTY ADVERTISING, WHICH >ISN'T EVEN RELEVANT MOST OF THE TIME. We make the advert relevant - all the time. > >*THE * DAY * YOU * PAY * FOR * MY * PHONE * BILL * YOU * CAN * ADVERTISE >* IN * THIS * MANNER* HAPPILY * > >JUst because it's free for you, what does it cost in terms of disk space >on other peoples machines, network bandwidth, cost of downloads? So small an amount that I doubt it would be possible to cost it. > >I don't even get the choice as to whether or not I have to pay for the >adverts if I want to get the information/emails I receive. Newsgroups, >sure, they're different, but the principle's the same. At least with TV I >can ignore the adverts -- I don't pay for TV with adverts anyway. I pay >for radio without adverts, and TV without adverts. ITV is free. Channel 4 >is free. Channel 5 is free. Independent radio is free. I pay for the >privilege of watching and listening to the BBC. You pay for all, one way or another - nothing in life is free. The internet is no different - you want to continue to enjoy the net and the web then it has to be paid for. Adverts are a growing part of that. > >Magazines - I can skip the adverts, and the magazine is only economically >viable with them. Without them, magazines would cost a lot more than they >do now.Adverts make magazines cheaper. > >Net Advertising on Usenet and Email only makes things more expensive. > >Digest this and think on it. > >> Hang on a second - you say the media adverts help pay for the TV, >> magazine, newspaper etc, then go rabbitting on about these free >> advertising things on the net. Do your adverts help pay for the upkeep of >> newsgroups? The answer, I'm afraid, is a resounding NO. >> At the moment, I agree. It is the larger corporate advertiser that is footing most of the bills - in the same way that they footed the bill for the early days of TV advertising. But times will change, as they must. In the meantime, if there is a way of advertising free then I, and a lot of others, will take it. The difference if that I take a stand and say that I will only advertise in NGs that are /appropriate/ to the adverts. I'm not about to advertise in the alt.bin.nudes type of NGs as that would be inappropriate. For the moment it is down to the discretion of the advertiser. Some lack discretion and post everywhere they can. We do not. May I ask the question "How do you expect people to know about things if they are not informed about them?" >> The internet is actually very different. If advertising on newsgroups is >> only going to grow, it will soon be impossible to have a decent >> conversation what with the advertisers jumping in every few minutes to >> have their say. It's less like newspapers and TV, and more like a phone >> conversation - with a badly crossed line to an advertising executive. Newsgroups are exactly like a magazine, you look at the contents and select what you want to download and read. Any thing you don't like the sound of you skip. > >Hear hear, Andrew. Did you know that one company is planning on giving >people free phone calls - except that every 30-seconds or 3 minutes or >so, there will be a 30-second advert break in the conversation? > >> > A very true statement Bill, web access via AOL is both slow and >expensive. >> >> Is there anyone who actually *does* like AOL? At the last count quite a few million users. > >Nope. As internet service goes, I rate it very lowly. Compuserve equally. Oh yes, for internet and web access, very true. Both AOL and Compuserve are very different to the normal ISPs - it a different kettle of fish altogether.. > >> Anyway that wasn't the question. Why don't you have AOL HOST an INDUG web >> page? I don't know what the charges are, probably quite cheap depening on >> the size of your files to a certain limit, but at least the file transfer >> only has to be done ONCE from your end - then you can post very short >> newsgroup messages with a URL where anybody interested can read the >> advertising bumph. Because. A) not every NG reader has access to the WWW. B) even if they do, few use a reader that gives them instant access to a web page from the URL in the posting. C) from talking to people they would prefer to read plain English there and than, rather than have to transcribe a URL to something like netscape, go on-line and read a page or more of information . Our adverts ask for a quick email with a person's address. We can then send them all the detail they need - quickly, and in a form that can even be read in bed or on the bus. > >Not only that, but you can put the website in the online search engines, >and even - shock - get other SAM people linking in to it. > Look, again, this has nothing to do with SAM. Why have several people mentioned SAM? Yes a website may be a good idea, and sometime we will get round to it. But we first have to do our market research like anyone else - and this is much better do through the transient media of newsgroups than through the WWW. When we have found the line of approach that gets the most new members, they we can enshrine it in a web page - until then we are just experimenting both with the content of the postings, their location and above all with the new media of the net. I hope this helps you understand the situation. All we are trying to do is use a valid media to distribute information in a way that is sympathetic to the users of that media. Now I don't want to fall out with people, especially you Simon. I therefore think this should be an end to the thread. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jun 18 14:53:27 1997 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 09:42:26 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970618094206_-1764590955@emout14.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 682 Lines: 22 In a message dated 17/06/97 18:08:03, you write: >How fast is your modem? My modem's a 14,400 baud. My internet downloading >(on average) goes at 1 email per 30 seconds. My connection dies on >average every 5 minutes (due to a bad phone line). How is that fast? > >*YOUR* downloading is fast. Mine is not. Learn. > >Simon Mine if also 14.4 Downloading the day's email (Formatpub and BrenchleyR) usually takes about 3 to 4 mins - a bit more if there is a lot going on. I did have probs with telephone lines at one point last year - but BT sorted it in the end. In todays download I've counted 6 adverts in emails to BrenchleyR and 3 in Formatpub - about average. HTH. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jun 18 14:53:27 1997 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 09:43:17 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970618094205_-859530491@emout13.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1010 Lines: 27 In a message dated 17/06/97 16:36:45, you write: >> >> As a User Group, INDUG needs to grow - to benifit everyone. I only wish one >> or two of the idiots that go out of their way to knock anything we do would > >I do *not* "go out of my way to knock anything" you do. I *do* dislike >inappropriate postings to newsgroups, which dodge as you will this was! It >would be the same if, for example, Fred Publishing had done it, or Saturn >Software. > >I suggest you stop seeing daggers in every corner. > But Paul, it would not have been the same if Fred or Saturn had done it. AFAIK they have nothing to offer the readers of alt.comp.virus - we do. We have built our name and reputation on the help that we have given to Spectrum and then SAM users over the last ten years. We now seek to offer the same level of friendly help to PC users - mainly the sort that the high-street mags have abandoned. To do that we are using what ever avenue we can - and newsgroups are proving one of the best so far. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jun 18 18:03:16 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <26341.199706181657@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 17:57:38 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <970618094211_24296837@emout16.mail.aol.com> from "BrenchleyR@aol.com" at Jun 18, 97 09:42:12 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2166 Lines: 52 > >ADVERTISING ON THE INTERNET COSTS THE RECEIPIENT MONEY. ADVERTS ON THE > >INTERNET DO NOT GO TOWARDS THE UPKEEP OF THE INTERNET. > Now I don't want to get in an argument with you over this Simon, but that is > rubbish. Bob, let me put this plainly. Simon has a hell of a lot more experience with the internet, and knows a hell of a lot more about it, than you do. > and development of the system. Business users have, so far, only just > started to exploit the system - there is a long way to go. Business users pay Exploit is the key word. If business users "exploit" it too much more, there's a fair chance that the internet as we currently know it will cease to exist. > >IT COSTS ME MONEY TO DOWNLOAD OTHER PEOPLE'S SHITTY ADVERTISING, WHICH > >ISN'T EVEN RELEVANT MOST OF THE TIME. > We make the advert relevant - all the time. No, it *isn't*. People go to acv (for example) for help with viruses, not to download advertising for a user group! > >JUst because it's free for you, what does it cost in terms of disk space > >on other peoples machines, network bandwidth, cost of downloads? > So small an amount that I doubt it would be possible to cost it. Sure of that? In total? > The internet is no different - you want to continue to enjoy the net and the > web then it has to be paid for. Adverts are a growing part of that. Bob, you pay the same as the rest of them, right? Therefore you contribute no more to the "upkeep" of the net than Simon does! > Newsgroups are exactly like a magazine, you look at the contents and select > what you want to download and read. Any thing you don't like the sound of you > skip. Fine, so that means I can post binaries in the discussion newsgroups, does it? > Because. A) not every NG reader has access to the WWW. B) even if they do, > few use a reader that gives them instant access to a web page from the URL in They can jot it down for later, which if they're interested enough in it to take out a sub in the first place they probably will. > Now I don't want to fall out with people, especially you Simon. I therefore > think this should be an end to the thread. In a word, tough. Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jun 18 18:03:16 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <26380.199706181659@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 17:58:58 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <970618094203_-561081979@emout10.mail.aol.com> from "BrenchleyR@aol.com" at Jun 18, 97 09:42:04 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 447 Lines: 12 > >You support virus dis-infecting, do you? You know what they do, and how? > I will certainly do what I can to help anyone having problems of whatever > cause. Answer the questions, Bob. You dodged the second two. > >Would I be right in guessing that you run McAfee? Or Norton AV? > At the moment,McAfee. Why? Just a guess. You do realise that McAfee actually has a lower rating than a large number of other scanners, free ones amongst them? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jun 18 18:03:16 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <26458.199706181701@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 18:01:08 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <970618094204_553535637@emout12.mail.aol.com> from "BrenchleyR@aol.com" at Jun 18, 97 09:42:08 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 534 Lines: 13 > >Could you please eliminate alt.comp.virus at least, then, since it really > >isn't relevant. If not, then it's time to killfile you. > alt.comp.virus is a very relevent newgroup - what makes you think it isn't? Because I read it. Daily. Your messages are nothing like anything else in there, and they don't have any relevance to *viruses*, which is the topic of the newsgroup. As you've posted yet another of those adverts, I've just added it to the killfile anyway, to save time. The point is that I shouldn't have to. Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jun 18 19:38:17 1997 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 19:36:03 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Walker X-Sender: csuan@lily To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users In-Reply-To: <970618094202_-1261936763@emout08.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 513 Lines: 14 On Wed, 18 Jun 1997 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > >Bob, alt.comp.virus deals with *viruses*. Not with people wanting to use > What has SAM got to do with it? The advert was for INDUG and its PC section. Okay, let's rephrase that. What has the PC section of INDUG got to do with killing viruses? > well maybe sometime, when I have something to offer them. But Shareware, > freeware ect, yes of course they are valid - in fact I know shareware has > been used already. So you supply shareware and freeware, now? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jun 18 19:40:52 1997 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 19:37:55 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Walker X-Sender: csuan@lily To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users In-Reply-To: <970618094205_-859530491@emout13.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 688 Lines: 17 On Wed, 18 Jun 1997 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > AFAIK they have nothing to offer the readers of alt.comp.virus - we do. We Ah. You know how to disinfect viruses? How they work, and therefore how to avoid them? > and then SAM users over the last ten years. We now seek to offer the same > level of friendly help to PC users - mainly the sort that the high-street That's fine, and commendable - all I'm trying to get across (and failing miserably, by the sound of it) is that some of the newsgroups that you've targetted are not the right place for your ads, regardless of the "category" (eg alt.comp) they come under. ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ----- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jun 18 19:58:16 1997 Message-Id: <199706181858.TAA29603@mail.enterprise.net> From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-FTN-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Calling All Windows And DOS Users Date: 18 Jun 1997 19:26:21 Organization: Dalmation enterprises References: <26458.199706181701@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> X-newsreader: Spot 1.3 Unregistered X-mailer: NetGate 1.3 (Amiga; TCP/IP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1313 Lines: 28 In a message of 18 Jun 97 Mr P R Walker wrote to sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no: Bob, I agree with all the others on this one. You are wrong and they are right. "Exploiting" the medium to promote your self-interest business isn't really on, and you are one of a minority of spammers who spoil the net for the rest of us. I don't know of anyone else who has ever tried to justify spamming the way you do and got away with it. True, I wouldn't have known about it if it hadn't been mentioned in here - but I'm sick of paying to download similar shit from other people. What if everyone had your attitude - jeez the net would grind to a halt. Why the hell don't you use the conventional option and open a web page. At least that way people would have the option to go and check it out if they wanted such information. You could tag your messages with a pointer to the pages and no one would need to complain about your unethical spamming practices. Add the info to the search engine databases, and if people want to pay for advice about PC's in a monthly magazine - rather than asking their mates on the net, then let them. Like Paul said, it wouldn't be so bad if you contributed to the discussions in those newsgroups. Spamming is bad. You're guilty. You are wrong and we are right. So there! :) Bye. Dave Whitmore From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jun 18 19:58:16 1997 Message-ID: <33A8915A.58E0@enterprise.net> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 18:54:34 -0700 From: SamsBoss - The One And Only Organization: Sam Users Forever X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: I'm Back In A Sane Land.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 582 Lines: 18 I'm back, you will be please to hear. USofA will now have to get by without me. I'm back with my SAM not Uncle SAM. As you wil notice - new ISP - cos pipeline done closed down cos they missed me so much. Could someone check to make sure my old mail address is deleted from the Sam Mailing List? I'm not quite sure how to do it. Pipeline were supposed to hold all mail for me but I have not been able to get at it yet - will have to consult the achive to find out what you all been saying behind my back. Anywaysup. What have I missed. World War 3? Samsboss. (glad to be back) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jun 18 20:11:04 1997 Message-ID: <33A89467.6234@enterprise.net> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 19:07:35 -0700 From: SamsBoss - The One And Only Organization: Sam Users Forever X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users References: <26458.199706181701@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> <199706181858.TAA29603@mail.enterprise.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 426 Lines: 18 Dave Whitmore wrote: > > In a message of 18 Jun 97 Mr P R Walker wrote to sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no: > > Bob, > > I agree with all the others on this one. You are wrong and they are right. [cut a lot of crap] > So there! :) > Bye. > > Dave Whitmore Ohmygod. First message I get after resubing and its a flame against Bob. Nothing changes does it? Samsboss (help, its happening again mummy! de nast men am shouting again!!!) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jun 18 20:11:05 1997 Message-Id: <199706181906.VAA18390@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: I'm Back In A Sane Land.... Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 21:08:08 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 576 Lines: 18 > Van: SamsBoss - The One And Only > Aan: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Onderwerp: I'm Back In A Sane Land.... > Datum: Thursday, June 19, 1997 3:54 > Pipeline were supposed to hold all mail for me but I have not been able > to get at it yet - will have to consult the achive to find out what you > all been saying behind my back. > > Anywaysup. What have I missed. World War 3? > Nah you landed right on top of a riot. Looking forward to your point view :-> Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] 14 BREAK, CONTINUE to repeat 10:1 From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jun 18 20:13:31 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <4857.199706181911@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 20:11:50 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <33A89467.6234@enterprise.net> from "SamsBoss - The One And Only" at Jun 18, 97 07:07:35 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 201 Lines: 8 > Ohmygod. First message I get after resubing and its a flame against Bob. > Nothing changes does it? Samsboss, read the rest of the thread in the archives before you jump into this one, okay? Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jun 18 21:58:10 1997 Message-ID: <33A8AD1E.328E@enterprise.net> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 20:53:02 -0700 From: SamsBoss - The One And Only Organization: Sam Users Forever X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users References: <4857.199706181911@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 445 Lines: 17 Mr P R Walker wrote: > > > Ohmygod. First message I get after resubing and its a flame against Bob. > > Nothing changes does it? > > Samsboss, read the rest of the thread in the archives before you jump > into this one, okay? > > Paul Will do, that nice Mr Young has just sent me this months messages to go through. Let you know what I think when I've had time to read it all. Samsboss (looks like a long night - still, I'm still on EST). From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jun 18 21:58:10 1997 Message-ID: <33A8AD83.D40@enterprise.net> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 20:54:43 -0700 From: SamsBoss - The One And Only Organization: Sam Users Forever X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: I'm Back In A Sane Land.... References: <199706181906.VAA18390@mailserv.caiw.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 646 Lines: 24 Robert van der Veeke wrote: > > > Van: SamsBoss - The One And Only > > Aan: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > > Onderwerp: I'm Back In A Sane Land.... > > Datum: Thursday, June 19, 1997 3:54 > > > Pipeline were supposed to hold all mail for me but I have not been able > > to get at it yet - will have to consult the achive to find out what you > > all been saying behind my back. > > > > Anywaysup. What have I missed. World War 3? > > > Nah you landed right on top of a riot. > > Looking forward to your point view :-> > What??? Somebods whants my point of view??? This is still the SAM Mailing List isnt it? :-) Samsboss From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jun 18 22:06:37 1997 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 17:02:23 -0400 (EDT) From: BillRitman@aol.com Message-ID: <970618170052_556393666@emout01.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 183 Lines: 12 In a message dated 16/06/97 20:43:02, you write: > >Well surely they could complain about discussions about spamming >on the sam-users list! > >Andy Hehe! Very good point. Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jun 18 22:10:14 1997 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 17:07:55 -0400 (EDT) From: BillRitman@aol.com Message-ID: <970618170506_-1295006905@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 323 Lines: 12 In a message dated 17/06/97 13:01:25, you write: >> A very true statement Bill, web access via AOL is both slow and expensive. > >Is there anyone who actually *does* like AOL? Many more than you think, but not for Web access, that is to clumbersome . As I said before, I will be sad to leave AOL (if I do). Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jun 18 22:12:40 1997 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 17:09:59 -0400 (EDT) From: BillRitman@aol.com Message-ID: <970618170958_-1731195107@emout18.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1082 Lines: 24 In a message dated 17/06/97 13:26:02, you write: >Coming soon to a screen near you: The Bob and Bill show!! > >You'll notice that, once again, I didn't start this argument. But I am >agreeing with the side which I think is in the right. > >If you ever said anything sensible, I'd agree with you then too. It's just >that I seem to disagree with everything you do because you do a lot of >silly, annoying, arrogant things. I looked up several newsgroups and found >your advertising postings - all the same as far as I could see - but in >every case that's the only posting you've ever made to the newsgroup, >indicating you probably don't read the newsgroup and aren't familiar with >the usual style and content of the group. > >Please, most of the people arguing have actually had rather more >experience than you of the internet and newsgroups and whatever else. >LISTEN OCCASIONALLY!! You do come across as an arrogant little runt you know. Having read what you have said as well as what Bob has said I think you are deliberatly setting out to cause trouble === again. Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jun 18 22:25:47 1997 Message-ID: <33A8B3F3.44F3@enterprise.net> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 21:22:11 -0700 From: SamsBoss - The One And Only Organization: Sam Users Forever X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users References: <4857.199706181911@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 810 Lines: 22 Mr P R Walker wrote: > > > Ohmygod. First message I get after resubing and its a flame against Bob. > > Nothing changes does it? > > Samsboss, read the rest of the thread in the archives before you jump > into this one, okay? > > Paul Ok, just been through the rest of the tread. Question? What is the problem??? All the newsgroups I have ever read have been FULL of adverts {even when their charter has excluded it}. For what it is worth, my opinion would be that it is part of the usenet life. Its what killfiles were invented for. Read once, if you don't like it then add to your killfile. I think some should try looking at things from the real world. Samsboss. (will try to look at one of the posting when I am at work in the morning - my newsreading proggy on enterprise is not working at the mo.) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 19 05:16:16 1997 Message-Id: <199706190413.GAA10032@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 06:14:29 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1261 Lines: 29 > Van: SamsBoss - The One And Only > Aan: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Onderwerp: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users > Datum: Thursday, June 19, 1997 6:22 > Question? What is the problem??? All the newsgroups I have ever read > have been FULL of adverts {even when their charter has excluded it}. For > what it is worth, my opinion would be that it is part of the usenet > life. Its what killfiles were invented for. Read once, if you don't like > it then add to your killfile. The kind of answer that I expected, that is why I wanted to know your point of view :( How in goddess name can you agree with spam, adding spammers to your personal killfiles does not resolve anything, they still use the bandwidth and other resources of the net then. > > I think some should try looking at things from the real world. > Then you dont mind that we send a truckload of unadressed folders ect. to your front door each day. And don't complain about because we won't listen to you or send you as a reward even more. At least in the real world the spammers pay for it, not the recievers. Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics (who is of to his work now, making real-life advertisments). [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] 14 BREAK, CONTINUE to repeat 10:1 From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 19 11:37:23 1997 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 06:13:53 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970619061352_135321531@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 853 Lines: 24 In a message dated 18/06/97 22:40:55, you write: >On Wed, 18 Jun 1997 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > >> >Bob, alt.comp.virus deals with *viruses*. Not with people wanting to use >> What has SAM got to do with it? The advert was for INDUG and its PC >section. > >Okay, let's rephrase that. What has the PC section of INDUG got to do with >killing viruses? It has a lot to do with supporting people who are having problems - don't you consider a computer virus to be a problem? > >> well maybe sometime, when I have something to offer them. But Shareware, >> freeware ect, yes of course they are valid - in fact I know shareware has >> been used already. > >So you supply shareware and freeware, now? > What has that got to do with it. People who read those NGs are interested in computers - just the sort of people who should be reading FORMAT PC. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 19 11:37:23 1997 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 06:13:57 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970619061356_980144699@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2243 Lines: 56 In a message dated 18/06/97 23:27:33, you write: >In a message of 18 Jun 97 Mr P R Walker wrote to sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no: > >Bob, > >I agree with all the others on this one. You are wrong and they are right. You opinion, to which you are entitled. > >"Exploiting" the medium to promote your self-interest business isn't really >on, and you are one of a minority of spammers who spoil the net for the rest >of us. But the media is there to be exploited. I have trod very carefully to try and ensure that the rules of each newsgroup were followed. I have posted only 'on-topic' for the group, items that are targetted to readers of that group. So far. 16 requests for information, 4 new subscribers - 2 of them from alt.comp.virus which started this debate. So far ZERO emails of complaint - except through this mailing list. DOES THAT TELL YOU SOMETHING. > I don't know of anyone else who has ever tried to justify spamming >the way you do and got away with it. True, I wouldn't have known about it if >it hadn't been mentioned in here - but I'm sick of paying to download >similar shit from other people. If you have not encountered the posting then how dare you call it shit. > What if everyone had your attitude - jeez >the net would grind to a halt. Why the hell don't you use the conventional >option and open a web page. Because the IS NOT the conventional option as you say. FAR more people have access to newsgroups thatn to the WWW. The messages posted are short, clearly on target for the newsgroup, within the groups charter - if one had been posted, and therefore perfectly valid. >At least that way people would have the option >to go and check it out if they wanted such information. You could tag your >messages with a pointer to the pages and no one would need to complain about >your unethical spamming practices. Add the info to the search engine >databases, and if people want to pay for advice about PC's in a monthly >magazine - rather than asking their mates on the net, then let them. Like >Paul said, it wouldn't be so bad if you contributed to the discussions in >those newsgroups. Spamming is bad. You're guilty. You are wrong and we are >right. Again your opinion. Mine is that yuo are wrong. > Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 19 11:37:28 1997 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 06:13:58 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970619061357_-1997068931@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 411 Lines: 11 In a message dated 19/06/97 05:42:50, you write: >The kind of answer that I expected, that is why I wanted to know your point >of view :( How in goddess name can you agree with spam, adding spammers to >your personal killfiles does not resolve anything, they still use the >bandwidth and other resources of the net then. What is spam to one is valuable information to another - that is the real world. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 19 11:37:29 1997 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 06:14:00 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970619061359_-1764496308@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 356 Lines: 19 In a message dated 19/06/97 06:25:16, you write: >In a message dated 16/06/97 20:43:02, you write: > >> >>Well surely they could complain about discussions about spamming >>on the sam-users list! >> >>Andy > >Hehe! Very good point. > > >Bill Mmm. I think you both could be right. Anything more on this subject should go to email don't you agree? Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 19 11:37:29 1997 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 06:14:02 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970619061401_-1193929925@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1035 Lines: 24 In a message dated 19/06/97 08:46:09, you write: >On Wed, 18 Jun 1997 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > >> AFAIK they have nothing to offer the readers of alt.comp.virus - we do. We > >Ah. You know how to disinfect viruses? How they work, and therefore how to >avoid them? > >> and then SAM users over the last ten years. We now seek to offer the same >> level of friendly help to PC users - mainly the sort that the high-street > >That's fine, and commendable - all I'm trying to get across (and failing >miserably, by the sound of it) is that some of the newsgroups that you've >targetted are not the right place for your ads, regardless of the >"category" (eg alt.comp) they come under. And as I've said, we did download ALL the messages for each group. We looked for the FAQ and Charter, if either was there they were read. If neither was there we looked at the content of messages - if they were about things related to computers, computer programming, computer hardware or software, then - and only then - was a message sent. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 19 11:37:30 1997 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 06:13:59 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970619061358_781664187@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 611 Lines: 23 In a message dated 19/06/97 05:58:48, you write: >In a message dated 17/06/97 13:01:25, you write: > >>> A very true statement Bill, web access via AOL is both slow and expensive. >> >>Is there anyone who actually *does* like AOL? > >Many more than you think, but not for Web access, that is to clumbersome >. > >As I said before, I will be sad to leave AOL (if I do). > >Bill. > > Its not the software side that is the problem with AOL, I've got netscape working through it now without problems. It is the cost of 1.85ukp per hour that bugs me. Hope AOL soon introduce the unlimit time package. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 19 11:37:31 1997 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 06:14:04 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970619061404_1109911099@emout13.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 3560 Lines: 92 In a message dated 19/06/97 08:53:49, you write: >> >ADVERTISING ON THE INTERNET COSTS THE RECEIPIENT MONEY. ADVERTS ON THE >> >INTERNET DO NOT GO TOWARDS THE UPKEEP OF THE INTERNET. >> Now I don't want to get in an argument with you over this Simon, but that >is >> rubbish. > >Bob, let me put this plainly. Simon has a hell of a lot more experience with >the internet, and knows a hell of a lot more about it, than you do. Does that automatically make him right? I think not. I have had a hell of a lot more experiance of running a business (well I am a lot older than he is) and many time his experiance in advertising. > >> and development of the system. Business users have, so far, only just >> started to exploit the system - there is a long way to go. Business users >pay > >Exploit is the key word. If business users "exploit" it too much more, >there's >a fair chance that the internet as we currently know it will cease to exist. The net we currently think we know ceases to exist NOW. It is evolving so fast it is hard to keep pace with even if you are on-line all day every day. The net will not grow without business money to pay for it - it is now developing into a proper media and, at least at the moment, the 'free classified ads' of the net are withing newsgroups - I understand from reading that there may soon be a way to pay to advertise on selected newsgroups - generating money to help pay for the admin and resources. I for one look forward to that, it will be a sign of growth. > >> >IT COSTS ME MONEY TO DOWNLOAD OTHER PEOPLE'S SHITTY ADVERTISING, WHICH >> >ISN'T EVEN RELEVANT MOST OF THE TIME. >> We make the advert relevant - all the time. > >No, it *isn't*. People go to acv (for example) for help with viruses, >not to download advertising for a user group! a.c.v. is about people having problems with viruses and/or people offering help on the subject. Are you trying to say that those people would /not/ be interested in a good user group and a magazine like FORMAT PC? Because if you are then you are talking rubish. > >> >JUst because it's free for you, what does it cost in terms of disk space >> >on other peoples machines, network bandwidth, cost of downloads? >> So small an amount that I doubt it would be possible to cost it. > >Sure of that? In total? > >> The internet is no different - you want to continue to enjoy the net and >the >> web then it has to be paid for. Adverts are a growing part of that. > >Bob, you pay the same as the rest of them, right? Therefore you contribute >no more to the "upkeep" of the net than Simon does! True, at the moment, I've already said that. When, as a business user I'm asked to pay more I have no doubt I will be happy to - provided of course the extras are there. > >> Newsgroups are exactly like a magazine, you look at the contents and select >> what you want to download and read. Any thing you don't like the sound of >you >> skip. > >Fine, so that means I can post binaries in the discussion newsgroups, does >it? No, not unless it is within the charter of the group. > >> Because. A) not every NG reader has access to the WWW. B) even if they do, >> few use a reader that gives them instant access to a web page from the URL >in > >They can jot it down for later, which if they're interested enough in it >to take out a sub in the first place they probably will. See A) which came first. > >> Now I don't want to fall out with people, especially you Simon. I therefore >> think this should be an end to the thread. > >In a word, tough. > >Paul Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 19 11:37:31 1997 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 06:14:07 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970619061405_1309687077@emout14.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1007 Lines: 29 In a message dated 19/06/97 08:53:53, you write: >> >You support virus dis-infecting, do you? You know what they do, and how? >> I will certainly do what I can to help anyone having problems of whatever >> cause. > >Answer the questions, Bob. You dodged the second two. Yes I know what they do. Yes I know how some of them do it. And yes I can, and have, help people to rid themselves of an infection. > >> >Would I be right in guessing that you run McAfee? Or Norton AV? >> At the moment,McAfee. Why? > >Just a guess. You do realise that McAfee actually has a lower rating than >a large number of other scanners, free ones amongst them? Well it is always a case of my wizbang is better than the other wizbangs - at any one time one leads and the others follow, next week the leader will be different. The truth is that virus infection is so rare - provided you follow a few simple ground rules - that there have often been long periods when I've not bothered with anti-virus software at all. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 19 11:37:32 1997 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 06:14:07 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970619061406_590003387@emout15.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 719 Lines: 22 In a message dated 19/06/97 08:54:00, you write: >> >Could you please eliminate alt.comp.virus at least, then, since it really >> >isn't relevant. If not, then it's time to killfile you. >> alt.comp.virus is a very relevent newgroup - what makes you think it isn't? > > >Because I read it. Daily. Your messages are nothing like anything else in >there, and they don't have any relevance to *viruses*, which is the topic of >the newsgroup. > >As you've posted yet another of those adverts, I've just added it >to the killfile anyway, to save time. The point is that I shouldn't have to. > >Paul Will you stop being so selfish - you are not the only reader of a.c.v. and others may find the advert interesting. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 19 12:35:50 1997 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 11:58:03 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Walker X-Sender: csuan@holly To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users In-Reply-To: <970619061406_590003387@emout15.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 541 Lines: 13 On Thu, 19 Jun 1997 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > Will you stop being so selfish - you are not the only reader of a.c.v. and > others may find the advert interesting. Will you stop being so selfish - you're not the only person on the net and others may find the advert irritating. ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ----- Any unsolicited commercial emails received will be proofread and returned to source, along with a bill for 150UKP. Sending such emails to my account will be deemed acceptance of these terms. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 19 12:35:50 1997 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 12:00:31 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Walker X-Sender: csuan@holly To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users In-Reply-To: <33A8B3F3.44F3@enterprise.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 966 Lines: 30 On Wed, 18 Jun 1997, SamsBoss - The One And Only wrote: > Question? What is the problem??? Why doesn't this surprise me... > All the newsgroups I have ever read > have been FULL of adverts {even when their charter has excluded it}. For So? > what it is worth, my opinion would be that it is part of the usenet life And so you're quite happy for people to perpetuate it? > life. Its what killfiles were invented for. Read once, if you don't like > it then add to your killfile. Killfiles were invented so that people didn't have to read posts from total idiots. > I think some should try looking at things from the real world. This from the person who's just told us "ignore it, it'll go away"! ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ----- Any unsolicited commercial emails received will be proofread and returned to source, along with a bill for 150UKP. Sending such emails to my account will be deemed acceptance of these terms. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 19 12:35:52 1997 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 12:53:06 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9706191053.AA14397@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1408 Lines: 32 > In a message dated 19/06/97 05:42:50, you write: > > >The kind of answer that I expected, that is why I wanted to know your point > >of view :( How in goddess name can you agree with spam, adding spammers to > >your personal killfiles does not resolve anything, they still use the > >bandwidth and other resources of the net then. > > What is spam to one is valuable information to another - that is the real > world. The real world is also a place where good behaveour is encouraged. Spam is per definition something which arrived to you unwantedly. You as an advertiser should then take all measurements to avoid your ads becoming spam, but are read by the people who finds the information valuable. To do that you have two means to achieve that (on USENET): an apropriate newsgroup AND the subject. There are a couple of 'rules' here: 1) the newsgroups should be relevant for the subject; this is subjective and sometimes you can't say this is wrong and this is right. The poster must use common sense. 2) Binaries are not velcome in non-binary newsgroups. This is BAD! I haste to add that ads are becoming increasingly unpopular. Particulary the ones which are crossposted or duplicated to several newsgroups. Note that duplication is worse than crossposting! 3) The subject is as descriptive as possible, for an ad in non-ad newsgroups this would most likely call for a "Ad:" prefix. -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 19 12:36:03 1997 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 12:04:16 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Walker X-Sender: csuan@holly To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users In-Reply-To: <970619061405_1309687077@emout14.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1333 Lines: 29 On Thu, 19 Jun 1997 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > >Just a guess. You do realise that McAfee actually has a lower rating than > >a large number of other scanners, free ones amongst them? > Well it is always a case of my wizbang is better than the other wizbangs - at > any one time one leads and the others follow, next week the leader will be McAfee hasn't been the leader for quite some time; other products have had a consistent lead for a long time. McAfee is also prone to false positives which, while not as bad as false negatives, are still annoying. You should try looking at www.virusbtn.com, or some of the other comparitive testing sites - but then, if you *read* alt.comp.virus, you'd know that. > The truth is that virus infection is so rare - provided you follow a few > simple ground rules - that there have often been long periods when I've not > bothered with anti-virus software at all. Taking something of a risk there, I feel, especially when there are free scanners around. JOOI, what are these simple ground rules that you feel so confident about? ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ----- Any unsolicited commercial emails received will be proofread and returned to source, along with a bill for 150UKP. Sending such emails to my account will be deemed acceptance of these terms. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 19 12:36:04 1997 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 12:09:34 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Walker X-Sender: csuan@holly To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users In-Reply-To: <970619061404_1109911099@emout13.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2884 Lines: 62 On Thu, 19 Jun 1997 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > Does that automatically make him right? I think not. I have had a hell of a > lot more experiance of running a business (well I am a lot older than he is) > and many time his experiance in advertising. Agreed - but you're advertising in a medium that you don't know very well, to be honest. > >Exploit is the key word. If business users "exploit" it too much more, > >there's a fair chance that the internet as we currently know it will > >cease to exist. > The net we currently think we know ceases to exist NOW. It is evolving so > fast it is hard to keep pace with even if you are on-line all day every day. I'm not talking the specifics, such as technology. I'm talking about the general culture and ethos (to use a posh word). It will change from being a place where people who don't have any business interests, or affiliations, can produce sites better than many corporate companies, into one that's dominated by business. > The net will not grow without business money to pay for it - it is now > developing into a proper media and, at least at the moment, the 'free A "proper media"! Please define this. > classified ads' of the net are withing newsgroups - I understand from reading > that there may soon be a way to pay to advertise on selected newsgroups - > generating money to help pay for the admin and resources. I for one look > forward to that, it will be a sign of growth. I look forward to it as well - if I don't take those newsgroups, then that removes a large portion of the advertising from my sight, which is good. > a.c.v. is about people having problems with viruses and/or people offering > help on the subject. Are you trying to say that those people would /not/ be > interested in a good user group and a magazine like FORMAT PC? Because if you No, I'm not. I'm trying to say that your ads would be better placed in a newsgroup which deals with usergroups and adverts, rather than viruses. You're now trying to shift the argument. Don't. > >> Newsgroups are exactly like a magazine, you look at the contents and > >> select what you want to download and read. Any thing you don't like > >> the sound of you skip. > >Fine, so that means I can post binaries in the discussion newsgroups, does > No, not unless it is within the charter of the group. But you've just said that people can look at the contents and skip anything they don't want to download. Surely if they don't want the binary, they wouldn't download it? > >> Because. A) not every NG reader has access to the WWW. B) even if they do, > >> few use a reader that gives them instant access to a web page from the URL > >They can jot it down for later, which if they're interested enough in it > See A) which came first. True - okay, use an email address as well. ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ----- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 19 12:36:04 1997 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 12:12:38 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Walker X-Sender: csuan@holly To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users In-Reply-To: <970619061356_980144699@emout07.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1407 Lines: 35 On Thu, 19 Jun 1997 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > But the media is there to be exploited. That really is a very sad attitude, you know. > So far. 16 requests for information, 4 new subscribers - 2 of them from > alt.comp.virus which started this debate. So far ZERO emails of complaint - > except through this mailing list. DOES THAT TELL YOU SOMETHING. Yes. It tells me that most people will simply have ignored it completely, as being yet more worthless junk. I would have done the same, if I hadn't been unfortunate enough to recognise the name. People generally can't be bothered to email a complaint, which is a shame, because it means the poster gets away with it. > If you have not encountered the posting then how dare you call it shit. Very easily. Want a copy, Dave? > Because the IS NOT the conventional option as you say. FAR more people have Yes, it is! How many adverts for usergroups etc. do you see *within the newsgroups*? Yours are the only ones I've seen so far. > Again your opinion. Mine is that yuo are wrong. The weight of opinion seems to be against you, Bob. But then, you've never been very good at seeing this. ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ----- Any unsolicited commercial emails received will be proofread and returned to source, along with a bill for 150UKP. Sending such emails to my account will be deemed acceptance of these terms. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 19 12:36:05 1997 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 12:14:05 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Walker X-Sender: csuan@holly To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users In-Reply-To: <970619061352_135321531@emout06.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 635 Lines: 17 On Thu, 19 Jun 1997 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > It has a lot to do with supporting people who are having problems - don't you > consider a computer virus to be a problem? So why didn't you use this as your selling point, rather than just dumping a generalised ad in there? > >So you supply shareware and freeware, now? > What has that got to do with it. People who read those NGs are interested in > computers - just the sort of people who should be reading FORMAT PC. You really just don't see it, do you? Are you really that blind, or is it selective ignorance? ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ----- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 19 12:36:06 1997 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 13:18:58 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9706191118.AA14419@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 903 Lines: 17 > The net we currently think we know ceases to exist NOW. It is evolving so > fast it is hard to keep pace with even if you are on-line all day every day. > > The net will not grow without business money to pay for it - it is now > developing into a proper media and, at least at the moment, the 'free > classified ads' of the net are withing newsgroups - I understand from reading > that there may soon be a way to pay to advertise on selected newsgroups - > generating money to help pay for the admin and resources. I for one look > forward to that, it will be a sign of growth. Just a point of warning. I have heard ideas where the non-commercial actors split out and create a new academic-only network. If this happens, the problem-solvers will be gone, and you are left with commerical interests running the show and the contents (the interesting contents that is, might well be lost). -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 19 12:36:06 1997 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 07:19:09 EDT From: "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: A query Message-Id: <19970619111929Z49219-26125+9952@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 459 Lines: 18 Date: 1997-06-19 12:21 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I suspect the answer to this question is no but if I don't ask I'll never know will I. Is there any way of killing emails by subject line/thread from this group? It's just that: a) I have no kill filters on the work email line. b) I'm sick of one particular thread c) I don't want to un sub cos I generally like it here. Thank you all. nev. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 19 12:36:07 1997 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 12:17:34 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Walker X-Sender: csuan@holly To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users In-Reply-To: <970618170958_-1731195107@emout18.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 465 Lines: 14 On Wed, 18 Jun 1997 BillRitman@aol.com wrote: > You do come across as an arrogant little runt you know. Ah. Insults. Nice one, Bill... > Having read what you have said as well as what Bob has said I think you are > deliberatly setting out to cause trouble === again. Something to note: I was the one that started this thread. Am I the one that's now deliberately setting out to cause trouble? ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ----- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 19 12:36:08 1997 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 13:28:01 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9706191128.AA14422@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: A query X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 587 Lines: 20 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > I suspect the answer to this question is no but if I don't ask I'll never > know will I. > > Is there any way of killing emails by subject line/thread from this group? no....well, not as such anyway. > > It's just that: > a) I have no kill filters on the work email line. > b) I'm sick of one particular thread > c) I don't want to un sub cos I generally like it here. My sympathies. I suggest the involved parties take this outdoors and post a summary when the discussion is over. :) -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 19 12:45:42 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <25883.199706191140@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: A query To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 12:40:00 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <9706191128.AA14422@asmal.edh-net> from "Frode Tenneboe" at Jun 19, 97 01:28:01 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 388 Lines: 9 > My sympathies. I suggest the involved parties take this outdoors and > post a summary when the discussion is over. :) It's okay. I've asked the csv.help newsgroup here for a procmail filter, Nev can use (do you have procmail/unix Nev?). Bob, this thread is getting too large, and I don't think I'm going to change your mind - replies should probably therefore be via personal email. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 19 13:04:24 1997 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 12:51:55 +0100 (BST) From: Tim Paveley To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: A query In-Reply-To: <19970619111929Z49219-26125+9952@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 881 Lines: 22 On Thu, 19 Jun 1997, YOUNG, Neville / IT Life wrote: > Is there any way of killing emails by subject line/thread from this group? > > It's just that: > a) I have no kill filters on the work email line. > b) I'm sick of one particular thread > c) I don't want to un sub cos I generally like it here. Hmm, my guess is without filters not likely. However, I seem to recall some email readers might have some sort of search/tag command, so you might be able to tag all emails with the given subject and delete them straight away before reading. Or sam-users could become moderated ;) Hmmm, maybe we should have a sam-flames list as well :) .........................................................................@/ Unc - Tim Paveley - http://dplinux.sund.ac.uk/~unc/ Staff of the Monochrome BBS - http://www.mono.org/ Owner of a Sam Coupe - http://www.mono.org/~unc/Coupe/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 19 13:11:56 1997 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 13:06:32 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@dedekind.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users In-Reply-To: <970618094203_-561081979@emout10.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 701 Lines: 16 On Wed, 18 Jun 1997 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > At the moment,McAfee. Why? I may be wrong in this but McAfee isn't very good with virii that isn't in it's signature file. This is old information because my news feed has been broken for over a year and haven't bothered setting up XRN to look at another. -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 19 13:24:44 1997 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 08:17:28 EDT From: "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: A query Message-Id: <19970619121745Z49225-26125+9956@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1674 Lines: 52 Date: 1997-06-19 13:19 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 13:28:01 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) >To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >Subject: Re: A query > >> >> Is there any way of killing emails by subject line/thread from this group? > >no....well, not as such anyway. I suspected as much. Thank you for taking the time to reply. >> >> It's just that: >> a) I have no kill filters on the work email line. >> b) I'm sick of one particular thread >> c) I don't want to un sub cos I generally like it here. > >My sympathies. I suggest the involved parties take this outdoors and >post a summary when the discussion is over. :) > > -Frode Indeed. I would have thought that if a person has a complaint about a ng posting then they should[1! (in order of escalation) a) politely e-mail the originator with helpful suggestions or point out any errors. b) make comments about the posting in the ng to get others feelings about it. c) make a complaint to the originators ISP. (postmaster@/abuse@/customercare@ etc) d) When the original post appeared in this group I thought it was only going to be a one off sent only to inform. (hence my light hearted reply). IMO for it to escalate into a full blown flame war with some 8 or more combatants is wrong for _this_ group. Could I respectfully ask all those active in the thread 'Calling All Windows And DOS Users' to take it to private e-mail or to news.abuse or similar. I offer you all my thanks for reading this far. Nev. [1! From my own (limited) experience in the other ngs to which I subscribe. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 19 13:24:44 1997 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 08:19:26 EDT From: "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: A query Message-Id: <19970619121950Z49225-26125+9957@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 347 Lines: 17 Date: 1997-06-19 13:22 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Tim Paveley > >Hmmm, maybe we should have a sam-flames list as well :) > well I've been subscribed to quake (something or other @ nvg and never got a peep out of it. Lets use that for flames :-) nev From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 19 13:33:01 1997 Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 13:27:47 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Paul Walker" at Jun 19, 97 12:09:34 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <19970619122849Z49228-26125+9959@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 780 Lines: 18 > > The net will not grow without business money to pay for it - it is now > > developing into a proper media and, at least at the moment, the 'free > > A "proper media"! Please define this. A small point here: the internet is not a medium such as TV, or a magazine. It is the equivalent of the telephone. How would you feel if your conversations were interrupted every minute by a 5-second long advertising break? Or even, how would you feel if you were having a debate, with say 100 people of likeminded nature in the same room, and every 10 minutes someone ran in through the door, shouted that "hey -- I've got this for sale -- buy it!" for a minute, and then ran out again. Possibly never seeing them ever again. Possibly completely unrelated to the debate. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 19 16:37:50 1997 X-Authentication-Warning: dxmint.cern.ch: Host hpopl1.cern.ch [137.138.243.47] claimed to be hpopb1.cern.ch Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 17:33:29 +0200 (METDST) From: Allan Skillman X-Sender: allan@hpopl1.cern.ch To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: SimCoupe DOS video configuration Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 890 Lines: 38 Hello All, Following the discussion about setting the video chipset type for the DOS version of SimCoupe (in the file libvga.cfg) I took a look at the library source code. It appears the the configuration of the type "Cx" where x is anything other than 0-probe chipset or 1-vga, is unlikely to work. The alternative way to define the chipset is to use the "chipset" command rather than Cx : # Chipset type: chipset # # Use one of the following name to force chipset type. # Don't force something unless the autodetection goes wrong. # If a chipset driver gives trouble, try forcing VGA. # VGA # ET4000 # CIRRUS # TVGA (TVGA8900) # OAK # EGA # S3 # ET3000 # MACH32 # GVGA6400 # ARK (Ark Logic) # ATI (ATI SVGA) # ALI # MACH64 # CHIPS (Chips and Technology 655xx) chipset VGA This might help with forcing chipsets such as S3. Allan From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 19 20:25:36 1997 Message-ID: <33A9DADA.4428@enterprise.net> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 18:20:26 -0700 From: SamsBoss - The One And Only Organization: Sam Users Forever X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1033 Lines: 41 Paul Walker wrote: > > On Wed, 18 Jun 1997, SamsBoss - The One And Only wrote: > > > Question? What is the problem??? > > Why doesn't this surprise me... Don't know, you tell me.... > > > All the newsgroups I have ever read > > have been FULL of adverts {even when their charter has excluded it}. For > > So? > > > what it is worth, my opinion would be that it is part of the usenet life > > And so you're quite happy for people to perpetuate it? Within reason, yes. I've looked at the adverts today, they are not offensive, they are better than most you see. > > > life. Its what killfiles were invented for. Read once, if you don't like > > it then add to your killfile. > > Killfiles were invented so that people didn't have to read posts from > total idiots. So. If you consider Bob to be a total idiot, killfile him - the control is in your hand. > > > I think some should try looking at things from the real world. > > This from the person who's just told us "ignore it, it'll go away"! > Pardon? Samsboss. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 19 20:25:36 1997 Message-ID: <33A9E84B.907@enterprise.net> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 19:17:47 -0700 From: SamsBoss - The One And Only Organization: Sam Users Forever X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Back to the SAM - for a change :) References: <970619061405_1309687077@emout14.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1063 Lines: 26 I was not able to take my SAM to the USA with me, the excess baggage charge would not have been picked up by the boss. But I did take a few bits and peices to pass the time. As a result of my readings I have a couple of points to raise. 1) The SAM manual. We all know it was not very good when it first came out. Both MGT and SAMco are on record as promising a new one. Bob has said several time that one was in the pipeline ( sorry that was aimed at my old ISP who still ain't forwarded all my email). As a new manual would have to be writtten for SAMSON - could we not start by getting a new manual together for the existing SAM? 2) Same as above - but substitute Tech Manual. 3) Has anyone made any progress on developing a database proggy for the hard drive? 4) Last, but by no means least, anyone ever tried voice control on a Z80 based micro. One of the new systems we have here for customers in a simple Yes/No questionaire to help them select a list of documents they need to read. I've got an idea which could use it. Bye for now. Samsboss. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 19 21:20:51 1997 Message-Id: <199706192018.VAA23669@mail.enterprise.net> From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-FTN-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Calling All Windows And DOS Users Date: 19 Jun 1997 20:10:26 Organization: Dalmation enterprises References: <970619061356_980144699@emout07.mail.aol.com> X-newsreader: Spot 1.3 #1234 X-mailer: NetGate 1.3 (Amiga; TCP/IP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2448 Lines: 60 In a message of 19 Jun 97 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote to sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no: Yo Mr Spam, >> I agree with all the others on this one. You are wrong and they are >> right. Bac> You opinion, to which you are entitled. How magnanimous. Bac> So far. 16 requests for information, 4 new subscribers - 2 of them Bac> from alt.comp.virus which started this debate. So far ZERO emails of Bac> complaint - except through this mailing list. Bac> DOES THAT TELL YOU SOMETHING. NO. I rarely complain about spams because the people who post them don't care. Well done on getting the new subs though. For what it's worth, even I don't begrudge you your livelihood. I just wish you'd open up a WWW page instead and learn the lesson that the majority of people on the net resent spams. >> I don't know of anyone else who has ever tried to justify spamming the >> way you do and got away with it. True, I wouldn't have known about it if >> it hadn't been mentioned in here - but I'm sick of paying to download >> similar shit from other people. Bac> If you have not encountered the posting then how dare you call it Bac> shit. I call all spams shit - why should yours be any different. I'm entitled to my opinion - you told me that, and FYI I have seen the offending article. >> Why the hell don't you use the conventional option and open a web page. Bac> Because the IS NOT the conventional option as you say. FAR more people Bac> have access to newsgroups thatn to the WWW. The messages posted are Bac> short, clearly on target for the newsgroup, within the groups charter - Bac> if one had been posted, and therefore perfectly valid. Not valid at all IMO. It IS more conventional for proper businesses to use web pages. Spammers are just annoying cheapskates who often have bad reputations, or pushers of stupid chain-mail schemes. And another thing - for Samsboss who regarded my last message as a flame; also for those who threaten to leave the mailing list if this 'boring' thread continues: I'm not going to carry on with this thread in here (Christ, I only posted one message), I'll just ignore your pathetic attempts to justify spamming. You'll never admit you're wrong about this (even though you know you are), and it's a pity because I thought you'd have more sense. Bye. and unlike someone who recently managed to con my ISP into letting him have an anonymous account, I'll sign off with my real name. Dave Whitmore From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 19 21:51:34 1997 Subject: Re: Back to the SAM - for a change :) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 21:42:32 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: <33A9E84B.907@enterprise.net> from "SamsBoss - The One And Only" at Jun 19, 97 07:17:47 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <19970619204257Z49159-26125+10009@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 922 Lines: 24 (Ignoring point 1 - not my department ;) ) > 2) Same as above - but substitute Tech Manual. Well, I was working on one of these at one point ... when I'm in the states, I may well have more time to put one together... > 3) Has anyone made any progress on developing a database proggy for the > hard drive? Not that I know of... > 4) Last, but by no means least, anyone ever tried voice control on a Z80 > based micro. One of the new systems we have here for customers in a > simple Yes/No questionaire to help them select a list of documents they > need to read. I've got an idea which could use it. Umm... I don't think so -- I reckon it might take a bit more digital signal processing umph that you could get out of a SAM (in terms of FFT's alone). If you stuck a DSP on the back -- nice 40MHz jobbie maybe -- then it might be possible, but I'd doubt it. Definitely the realm of the P200 PC I reckon. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 19 23:19:43 1997 Message-ID: <$wYiUBAv8aqzEwA1@idalziel.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 23:14:07 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Ian Dalziel Subject: Re: Back to the SAM - for a change :) In-Reply-To: <33A9E84B.907@enterprise.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 253 Lines: 15 In message <33A9E84B.907@enterprise.net>, SamsBoss - The One And Only writes > ... > my SAM ... > >Bye for now. >Samsboss. > SAM? SAM? I've heard of that somewhere... Sure it's not off-topic on this list? ;-) -- Ian Dalziel From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jun 20 06:54:57 1997 Message-ID: <33AA191C.592F@ndirect.co.uk> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 06:46:04 +0100 From: Nev Young Organization: ndirect X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: A query References: <25883.199706191140@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 911 Lines: 23 Mr P R Walker wrote: > > > My sympathies. I suggest the involved parties take this outdoors and > > post a summary when the discussion is over. :) > > It's okay. I've asked the csv.help newsgroup here for a procmail filter, > Nev can use (do you have procmail/unix Nev?). No. @ home I use a PC (win95 (spit)) and netscrape (spit) @ work its an ibm (spit) mainframe feeding MS (spit) mail on a lan. Hmm any one got a tissue.? -- ---------------------------------------------------- | | |This site is developing self awareness | |(Oh no I'm not. cognito ergo P120-SX) | |--------------------------------------------------| |Home nevilley@ndirect.co.uk | |Work gbh3rknr@ibmmail.com | |http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~nevilley/homepage.htm | ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jun 20 11:16:00 1997 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 10:51:09 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Walker X-Sender: csuan@lily To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users In-Reply-To: <33A9DADA.4428@enterprise.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 361 Lines: 11 On Thu, 19 Jun 1997, SamsBoss - The One And Only wrote: The rest of it has been taken to email, but one thing : > > Killfiles were invented so that people didn't have to read posts from > So. If you consider Bob to be a total idiot, killfile him - the control > is in your hand. True, it is - but please note that I didn't say Bob was a total idiot, did I? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jun 20 11:16:00 1997 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 10:51:54 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Walker X-Sender: csuan@lily To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Back to the SAM - for a change :) In-Reply-To: <33A9E84B.907@enterprise.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 381 Lines: 12 On Thu, 19 Jun 1997, SamsBoss - The One And Only wrote: > 1) The SAM manual. We all know it was not very good when it first came > out. Both MGT and SAMco are on record as promising a new one. Bob has Actually, I thought it was okay! Certainly better than the Spectrum one, at any rate. What was wrong with it? ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ----- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jun 20 11:16:13 1997 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 05:56:32 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970620055632_1076372106@emout11.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 573 Lines: 15 In a message dated 19/06/97 14:30:05, Simon said: >A small point here: the internet is not a medium such as TV, or a >magazine. It is the equivalent of the telephone. Try telling that to Bill Gates. The net is growing into a media that will gradualy absorb conventional TV, Radio, telecommunications and one-day maybe even newspaper magazines and books. The plans are all in Bill Gates ideas for his future of total world domination :) Bob. (And that is my last posting on internet related things to this newsgroup - unless we start a SAM related thread of course.) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jun 20 11:16:14 1997 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 05:56:34 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970620055633_1418816906@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Back to the SAM - for a change :) Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 796 Lines: 19 In a message dated 20/06/97 00:39:25, you write: >> 4) Last, but by no means least, anyone ever tried voice control on a Z80 >> based micro. One of the new systems we have here for customers in a >> simple Yes/No questionaire to help them select a list of documents they >> need to read. I've got an idea which could use it. > >Umm... I don't think so -- I reckon it might take a bit more digital >signal processing umph that you could get out of a SAM (in terms of FFT's >alone). If you stuck a DSP on the back -- nice 40MHz jobbie maybe -- then >it might be possible, but I'd doubt it. Definitely the realm of the P200 >PC I reckon. > >Simon I seem to remember a voice control system on the Spectrum a long time ago. Will try and find it in the old mags next time I'm in the loft. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jun 20 11:16:15 1997 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 05:56:31 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970620055630_2022224266@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: A query Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 195 Lines: 10 In a message dated 19/06/97 13:32:53, you write: >My sympathies. I suggest the involved parties take this outdoors and >post a summary when the discussion is over. :) > > -Frode Done :) Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jun 20 11:40:52 1997 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 11:24:41 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@indigo.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users In-Reply-To: <970620055632_1076372106@emout11.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1564 Lines: 39 On Fri, 20 Jun 1997 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > >A small point here: the internet is not a medium such as TV, or a > >magazine. It is the equivalent of the telephone. > > Try telling that to Bill Gates. The net is growing into a media that will > gradualy absorb conventional TV, Radio, telecommunications and one-day maybe > even newspaper magazines and books. The plans are all in Bill Gates ideas for > his future of total world domination :) Well that will have to wait until his satellite system gets "off the ground". I don't think the internet is currently CAPABLE of carrying enough data to be a worldwide TV service. It takes long enough to do anything as it is; data rates across the atlantic are of the order of 50 bytes per second, which will have to increase by several orders of magnitude before Bill Gates really gets his way. Meanwhile we're talking about BANDWIDTH, and how carefully it should be preserved. > (And that is my last posting on internet related things to this newsgroup - No comment > unless we start a SAM related thread of course.) Unfortunately I can't say much more either, since I'm going home tomorrow. Aw, just as it was getting interesting again... Andrew +----------------------------------------+---------------------------+ | Second Law Of Thermodynamics: | Andrew Collier, 1A NatSci | | If you think things are in a | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | | mess now, just you wait.... | Selwyn College, Cambridge | +----------------------------------------+---------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jun 20 12:34:58 1997 Message-Id: From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale) Subject: Re: Back to the SAM - for a change :) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 12:01:35 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <19970619204257Z49159-26125+10009@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> from "Simon Cooke" at Jun 19, 97 09:42:32 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 803 Lines: 18 > > 4) Last, but by no means least, anyone ever tried voice control on a Z80 > > based micro. One of the new systems we have here for customers in a > > simple Yes/No questionaire to help them select a list of documents they > > need to read. I've got an idea which could use it. > > Umm... I don't think so -- I reckon it might take a bit more digital > signal processing umph that you could get out of a SAM (in terms of FFT's > alone). If you stuck a DSP on the back -- nice 40MHz jobbie maybe -- then > it might be possible, but I'd doubt it. Definitely the realm of the P200 > PC I reckon. > Well, I saw that done about 15 years ago! William Stewart Systems produced a speech recogniser for the zx81, and I gather it wasn't bad, although it did take 30seconds to recognise each word! -Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jun 20 12:34:58 1997 Message-Id: From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale) Subject: Re: Back to the SAM - for a change :) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 12:03:49 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Paul Walker" at Jun 20, 97 10:51:54 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 262 Lines: 10 > Actually, I thought it was okay! Certainly better than the Spectrum one, > at any rate. > Eh?! The Spectrum manual was *the* best ever computer manual (apart from the Jupiter Ace manual, perhaps) - or are you talking about the colour Spec. plus one... Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jun 20 13:06:03 1997 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 12:35:41 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@dedekind.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Back to the SAM - for a change :) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 930 Lines: 22 On Fri, 20 Jun 1997, Andrew M Gale wrote: > > Actually, I thought it was okay! Certainly better than the Spectrum one, > > at any rate. > > > > Eh?! The Spectrum manual was *the* best ever computer manual > (apart from the Jupiter Ace manual, perhaps) - or are you > talking about the colour Spec. plus one... Ah yes. The Speccy+ manual. What a laugh. I got one when we bought the Speccy+ replacement keyboard for the Speccy48. The manual was pathetic compared to the original. I must admit, though, that some parts of it was good. -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From imc Fri Jun 20 13:53:04 1997 Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 13:53:04 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <26458.199706181701@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> from "Mr P R Walker" at Jun 18, 97 06:01:08 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 312 Lines: 9 On Wed, 18 Jun 1997 18:01:08 +0100 (BST), Mr P R Walker said: > As you've posted yet another of those adverts, I mentioned the thing about 20 posts in 30 days. If you have just posted them all again then you may be dangerously close to that limit... Did you cross-post them properly or multi-post them? imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jun 20 17:00:35 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <10454.199706201454@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Back to the SAM - for a change :) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 15:54:45 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Andrew M Gale" at Jun 20, 97 12:03:49 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 225 Lines: 8 > Eh?! The Spectrum manual was *the* best ever computer manual > (apart from the Jupiter Ace manual, perhaps) - or are you What, the one that came with the +2/+3? Sorry, but the Sam manual was much clearer than that. Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jun 20 17:00:36 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <10482.199706201455@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 15:55:44 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <9706201253.AA00488@gruffle.comlab.ox.ac.uk> from "Ian Collier" at Jun 20, 97 01:53:05 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 268 Lines: 8 > Did you cross-post them properly or multi-post them? AFAICT they're multi-posted, rather than cross-posted. Which is another annoyance, since filters to automatically kill anything cross-posted more than 4 times won't work either - but that's another story. Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jun 20 18:10:34 1997 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 13:08:03 -0400 (EDT) From: BillRitman@aol.com Message-ID: <970620130752_946373135@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Back to the SAM - for a change :) Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 404 Lines: 22 In a message dated 20/06/97 12:33:46, you write: > >In message <33A9E84B.907@enterprise.net>, SamsBoss - The One And Only > writes >> >... >> my SAM >... >> >>Bye for now. >>Samsboss. >> > >SAM? SAM? I've heard of that somewhere... Sure it's not off-topic on >this list? ;-) >-- >Ian Dalziel Very good, hit this one and nearly splattered my coffee over the keyboard. Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jun 20 18:10:35 1997 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 13:06:35 -0400 (EDT) From: BillRitman@aol.com Message-ID: <970620130512_322415758@emout11.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 737 Lines: 23 In a message dated 19/06/97 13:32:22, you write: >On Wed, 18 Jun 1997 BillRitman@aol.com wrote: > >> You do come across as an arrogant little runt you know. > >Ah. Insults. Nice one, Bill... > >> Having read what you have said as well as what Bob has said I think you are >> deliberatly setting out to cause trouble === again. > >Something to note: I was the one that started this thread. Am I the one >that's now deliberately setting out to cause trouble? I was taking exception to Andrew for causing trouble again. Having read the achives it seems that even if he doesnt start it he will do his best to finish it (or keep it going should I say). And in reply to your question - yes. Bill. (fed up with something that is not SAM) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jun 20 19:30:59 1997 Message-ID: <33AAFF92.3E9A@enterprise.net> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 15:09:22 -0700 From: SamsBoss - The One And Only Organization: Sam Users Forever X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: A query References: <25883.199706191140@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> <33AA191C.592F@ndirect.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 589 Lines: 21 Nev Young wrote: > > Mr P R Walker wrote: > > > > > My sympathies. I suggest the involved parties take this outdoors and > > > post a summary when the discussion is over. :) > > > > It's okay. I've asked the csv.help newsgroup here for a procmail filter, > > Nev can use (do you have procmail/unix Nev?). > No. @ home I use a PC (win95 (spit)) and netscrape (spit) > @ work its an ibm (spit) mainframe feeding MS (spit) mail on a lan. > > Hmm any one got a tissue.? > Sounds like you need a spittoon more than anything Nev :). BTW, thanks for the archive - helpped a lot. Samsboss. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jun 20 19:30:59 1997 Message-ID: <33AB1756.6737@enterprise.net> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 16:50:46 -0700 From: SamsBoss - The One And Only Organization: Sam Users Forever X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Back to the SAM - for a change :) References: <970620055633_1418816906@emout12.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 436 Lines: 17 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: [cut Simon's bit] > > I seem to remember a voice control system on the Spectrum a long time ago. > Will try and find it in the old mags next time I'm in the loft. > > Bob. Come to think of it you just could be right - for a change that is :) I wasnee thinking of anything tooo fantastic - not full voice recog like. Just a way of affecting the computer using voice. Let me know what you find. Samsboss. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jun 20 19:31:00 1997 Message-ID: <33AB013F.3180@enterprise.net> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 15:16:31 -0700 From: SamsBoss - The One And Only Organization: Sam Users Forever X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 442 Lines: 18 Paul Walker wrote: > > On Thu, 19 Jun 1997, SamsBoss - The One And Only wrote: > > The rest of it has been taken to email, but one thing : > > > > Killfiles were invented so that people didn't have to read posts from > > So. If you consider Bob to be a total idiot, killfile him - the control > > is in your hand. > > True, it is - but please note that I didn't say Bob was a total idiot, did > I? True, you did not. Sorry. Samsboss. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jun 20 19:31:00 1997 Message-ID: <33AB162F.7EFF@enterprise.net> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 16:45:51 -0700 From: SamsBoss - The One And Only Organization: Sam Users Forever X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Back to the SAM - for a change :) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 674 Lines: 23 Paul Walker wrote: > > On Thu, 19 Jun 1997, SamsBoss - The One And Only wrote: > > > 1) The SAM manual. We all know it was not very good when it first came > > out. Both MGT and SAMco are on record as promising a new one. Bob has > > Actually, I thought it was okay! Certainly better than the Spectrum one, > at any rate. > > What was wrong with it? > There have been a lot of complaints about it over the years in places like Format and Fred - it is nowhere near as good as the first 48K Spectrum manual (often quoted as being the best home computer manual ever). Cos I now know the SAM, I don't use it much. But it would be handy to have a better one. Samsboss. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jun 20 19:31:01 1997 Message-ID: <33AB17C3.67E5@enterprise.net> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 16:52:35 -0700 From: SamsBoss - The One And Only Organization: Sam Users Forever X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Back to the SAM - for a change :) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 429 Lines: 18 Andrew M Gale wrote: > > > Actually, I thought it was okay! Certainly better than the Spectrum one, > > at any rate. > > > > Eh?! The Spectrum manual was *the* best ever computer manual > (apart from the Jupiter Ace manual, perhaps) - or are you > talking about the colour Spec. plus one... > > Andy The duff one was the Sinclair 128K thinggy - if anyone wants one I just happen to know that Bob has a box full. Samsboss. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jun 20 20:10:12 1997 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 20:08:15 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Walker X-Sender: csuan@lily To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Calling All Windows And DOS Users In-Reply-To: <970620130512_322415758@emout11.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: "X-Archive: no" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 136 Lines: 6 On Fri, 20 Jun 1997 BillRitman@aol.com wrote: Taken to email again. ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ----- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jun 20 20:15:59 1997 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 20:13:42 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Walker X-Sender: csuan@lily To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: A query In-Reply-To: <33AA191C.592F@ndirect.co.uk> Message-ID: "X-Archive: no" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 422 Lines: 14 On Fri, 20 Jun 1997, Nev Young wrote: > No. @ home I use a PC (win95 (spit)) and netscrape (spit) > @ work its an ibm (spit) mainframe feeding MS (spit) mail on a lan. Nothing I can do with that lot, I'm afraid. Apart from recommend you format Win95 as soon as possible. > Hmm any one got a tissue.? I think you'd need a towel, more than a tissue...! ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ----- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jun 21 16:33:01 1997 Message-Id: From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale) Subject: Re: Back to the SAM - for a change :) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 16:29:49 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <33AB1756.6737@enterprise.net> from "SamsBoss - The One And Only" at Jun 20, 97 04:50:46 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 829 Lines: 21 > I wasnee thinking of anything tooo fantastic - not full voice recog > like. Just a way of affecting the computer using voice. Let me know what > you find. > Well, I think there are a few chips available which are designed for use in toy robots etc. which recognise simple words such as 'left', 'right' and so on. I'm sure one of those could be interfaced easily. A more flexible way is to use a sound sampler. When I was at school some friends of mine had a simple microphone connected to the BBC's analogue port and they sample a spoken word, and then managed to recognise between some words very simply - I think they might have just counted the number of big peaks (or maybe distance between peaks would be better). If the vocabulary of words you wish to recognise is small, then I doubt it's too much trouble. Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jun 21 20:19:24 1997 Message-ID: <33AC8AB0.431E@enterprise.net> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 19:15:12 -0700 From: SamsBoss - The One And Only Organization: Sam Users Forever X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Back to the SAM - for a change :) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 483 Lines: 16 Andrew M Gale wrote: > > > I wasnee thinking of anything tooo fantastic - not full voice recog > > like. Just a way of affecting the computer using voice. Let me know what > > you find. > > > > Well, I think there are a few chips available which are > designed for use in toy robots etc. which recognise simple > words such as 'left', 'right' and so on. I'm sure one > of those could be interfaced easily. > If you could find any details I would be love to have them. Samsboss. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jun 21 20:42:28 1997 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 20:38:39 +0100 (BST) From: Dave To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Mice Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 504 Lines: 14 While we're back on the subject of SAM, does anyone know where I can get an interface to take an Atari-compatible mouse (and how much it would cost) - or alternatively how I could wire one up? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Fulton (D.A.Fulton@durham.ac.uk) Trevelyan College, University of Durham. http://www.dur.ac.uk/~d60m3c/ PGP public key available on request. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jun 22 11:41:30 1997 From: Persona To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Anyone on yet? Organisation: Persona X-Mailer: Atlantis Mail 16, Version 1.0 Date: Sun, 22 Jun 97 11:31:42 BST Message-Id: <19970622103432Z49186-261+123@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 376 Lines: 10 Is there anybody on today? DL =================================================================== Email for Persona Marketing & Development is collected & forwarded by David Ledbury, on behalf of Persona M&D. David's views should not be considered those of Persona and any such inference is in error. ====================================================================== From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jun 22 12:07:51 1997 Message-Id: <199706221109.MAA25926@mail.enterprise.net> From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-FTN-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Anyone on yet? yep Date: 22 Jun 1997 11:38:28 Organization: Dalmation enterprises References: <19970622103432Z49186-261+123@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-newsreader: Spot 1.3 #1234 X-mailer: NetGate 1.3 (Amiga; TCP/IP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 419 Lines: 22 In a message of 22 Jun 97 Persona wrote to sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no: Hi Persona, P> Is there anybody on today? Yep - I'm here. :) Well I'll be gone by the time this gets here (there). BTW - I just sent you some suggestions regarding BBS's. 'Tis in your other mailbox. Hey Paul Walker - what was that program you used to use for connecting to Dalmation - was it Terminate or something else? Bye, Dave Whitmore From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jun 22 12:29:30 1997 Message-Id: <199706221130.MAA27475@mail.enterprise.net> From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-FTN-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: IRC chat. Date: 22 Jun 1997 11:57:20 Organization: Dalmation enterprises X-newsreader: Spot 1.3 #1234 X-mailer: NetGate 1.3 (Amiga; TCP/IP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 784 Lines: 25 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Hey, why don't we all get together on IRC sometime. We could have a 'SAM-users' channel and.. erm, chat and things. :) Say we arrange an hour when people can drop in. If it wastes bandwidth replying in here, then send me an email. If enough of us want to do it, and we can find a good time, then I can post a message to let everyone know. BTW everyone, Phil Glover (my old partner in crime (or more realistically partner in disk mags)) is on the net now. He's a complete newbie, so it may be some time before he gets to try mailing lists. So if anyone wants to surprise him with a welcome message - here's his address: PGLOVER43@aol.com I know the 'aol' part is a bit sad, but we can try to educate him about that can't we. :)) Bye, Dave Whitmore From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jun 22 13:26:58 1997 Message-ID: <33AD7A49.A9C@enterprise.net> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 12:17:29 -0700 From: SamsBoss - The One And Only Organization: Sam Users Forever X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Mice References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 532 Lines: 18 Dave wrote: >=20 > While we're back on the subject of SAM, does anyone know where I can = get > an interface to take an Atari-compatible mouse (and how much it would > cost) - or alternatively how I could wire one up? >=20 The SAM Mouse system is available from WCC/Format for =A339.95 (I think= ) That comes with an Atari mouse (tho I did read that there were some interfaces that had been altered to take Amiga mice). Far too complex to consider building one yourself unless you are doing an electronics course (?). Samsboss. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jun 22 14:08:48 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <13877.199706221305@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Anyone on yet? yep To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 14:05:49 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <199706221109.MAA25926@mail.enterprise.net> from "Dave Whitmore" at Jun 22, 97 11:38:28 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 286 Lines: 10 > Hey Paul Walker - what was that program you used to use for connecting to > Dalmation - was it Terminate or something else? It was indeed Terminate. Crap point system, but a very nice terminal program. :) And, as Ian Underwood keeps telling people, it runs "outa da box"... Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jun 22 14:35:34 1997 Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 14:32:43 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Walker X-Sender: csuan@holly To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: IRC chat. In-Reply-To: <199706221130.MAA27475@mail.enterprise.net> Message-ID: "X-Archive: no" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 436 Lines: 13 On 22 Jun 1997, Dave Whitmore wrote: > Hey, why don't we all get together on IRC sometime. We could have a > 'SAM-users' channel and.. erm, chat and things. :) Samusers channel is now set up, on the DALnet system. There's a server at defiant.dal.net - join #samusers, and you're away. :) You might also want to "register" your nick with nickserv while you're there. ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ----- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jun 22 15:12:23 1997 Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 15:08:53 +0100 (BST) From: Dave To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Mice In-Reply-To: <33AD7A49.A9C@enterprise.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 607 Lines: 17 On Sun, 22 Jun 1997, SamsBoss - The One And Only wrote: > > an interface to take an Atari-compatible mouse (and how much it wou= ld > > cost) - or alternatively how I could wire one up? > >=20 > The SAM Mouse system is available from WCC/Format for =A339.95 (I thi= nk) > That comes with an Atari mouse (tho I did read that there were some > interfaces that had been altered to take Amiga mice). >=20 Is it possible to get the interface without the mouse? I have one that came from Datel a long time ago, and it's still in mint condition. For= ty quid seems like a lot to buy something I already have. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jun 22 15:19:24 1997 Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 15:16:03 +0100 (BST) From: Dave To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Back to the SAM - for a change :) In-Reply-To: <10454.199706201454@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 708 Lines: 18 On Fri, 20 Jun 1997, Mr P R Walker wrote: > > > Eh?! The Spectrum manual was *the* best ever computer manual > > (apart from the Jupiter Ace manual, perhaps) - or are you > > What, the one that came with the +2/+3? Sorry, but the Sam manual > was much clearer than that. > > Paul > The +2/+3 manual was virtually the same as the original - It was perhaps less clear than the Sam manual, but it did go into rather more detail. Perhaps a new manual would give some more technical information (like *all* the system variables for example). I never really needed a technical manual for the speccy, but it is a vital purchase for the Sam. How about putting an introduction to z80 M/C into the new version? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jun 22 17:03:29 1997 Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 16:58:40 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Walker X-Sender: csuan@holly To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Back to the SAM - for a change :) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "X-Archive: no" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1147 Lines: 29 On Sun, 22 Jun 1997, Dave wrote: > The +2/+3 manual was virtually the same as the original - It was perhaps > less clear than the Sam manual, but it did go into rather more detail. True ... but most people, on opening a new computer, would prefer clarity rather than technical details. Maybe having the "nitty-gritty" at the back would have been best. > Perhaps a new manual would give some more technical information (like > *all* the system variables for example). I never really needed a technical That would be very useful, yes - along with the jump table offsets and parameters. :) > manual for the speccy, but it is a vital purchase for the Sam. How about > putting an introduction to z80 M/C into the new version? I don't think that's a good idea, though. There's no way you could really cover enough, and it would have to be a manual for new users as well remember. Paul ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ----- Any unsolicited commercial emails received will be proofread and returned to source, along with a bill for 150UKP. Sending such emails to my account will be deemed acceptance of these terms. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jun 22 17:21:22 1997 Message-ID: <33AD7F05.1BDB@enterprise.net> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 12:37:41 -0700 From: SamsBoss - The One And Only Organization: Sam Users Forever X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Anyone on yet? References: <19970622103432Z49186-261+123@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 488 Lines: 19 Persona wrote: > > Is there anybody on today? > > DL > > =================================================================== > Email for Persona Marketing & Development is collected & forwarded > by David Ledbury, on behalf of Persona M&D. David's views should > not be considered those of Persona and any such inference is in error. > ====================================================================== Printed out and framed - just wait to Bob visits next time :) Samsboss. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jun 22 17:56:15 1997 Message-ID: <33ADB215.42A1@enterprise.net> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 16:15:33 -0700 From: SamsBoss - The One And Only Organization: Sam Users Forever X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Mice References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 867 Lines: 29 Dave wrote: >=20 > On Sun, 22 Jun 1997, SamsBoss - The One And Only wrote: >=20 > > > an interface to take an Atari-compatible mouse (and how much it w= ould > > > cost) - or alternatively how I could wire one up? > > > > > The SAM Mouse system is available from WCC/Format for =A339.95 (I t= hink) > > That comes with an Atari mouse (tho I did read that there were some > > interfaces that had been altered to take Amiga mice). > > > Is it possible to get the interface without the mouse? I have one th= at > came from Datel a long time ago, and it's still in mint condition. F= orty > quid seems like a lot to buy something I already have. You will have to ask Bob, but in the past WCC have been reluctent to split items. Why not gove Format a ring during the week, you may be abl= e to save a bit but I doubt it will be much. Hope this helps you. Samsboss. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jun 22 18:02:33 1997 Message-Id: <199706221702.SAA00548@mail.enterprise.net> From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-FTN-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: IRC chat. Date: 22 Jun 1997 17:57:33 Organization: Dalmation enterprises References: X-newsreader: Spot 1.3 #1234 X-mailer: NetGate 1.3 (Amiga; TCP/IP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 592 Lines: 23 In a message of 22 Jun 97 Paul Walker wrote to sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no: Hi Paul, PW> Samusers channel is now set up, on the DALnet system. There's a server PW> at defiant.dal.net - join #samusers, and you're away. :) Yep - checked it out and nobody home. :( I think such a meeting would need to be arranged - what's a convenient time for most poeple I wonder? PW> You might also want to "register" your nick with nickserv while you're PW> there. Not many people try to nick my nick, but it's worth considering. :) Bye Dave Whitmore http://homepages.enterprise.net/davewhitmore/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jun 22 18:32:10 1997 Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 13:29:22 -0400 (EDT) From: BillRitman@aol.com Message-ID: <970622132916_644582561@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Back to the SAM - for a change :) Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 475 Lines: 16 In a message dated 21/06/97 03:47:22, you write: >On Thu, 19 Jun 1997, SamsBoss - The One And Only wrote: > >> 1) The SAM manual. We all know it was not very good when it first came >> out. Both MGT and SAMco are on record as promising a new one. Bob has > >Actually, I thought it was okay! Certainly better than the Spectrum one, >at any rate. > >What was wrong with it? If I understand correctly, it was written before the Sam was finished so it is not complete. Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jun 22 21:37:05 1997 Message-ID: <33AD1C8D.30F6@ndirect.co.uk> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 13:37:33 +0100 From: Nev Young Organization: ndirect X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: IRC chat. References: <199706221130.MAA27475@mail.enterprise.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 722 Lines: 21 Dave Whitmore wrote: > > To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > > Hey, why don't we all get together on IRC sometime. We could have a > 'SAM-users' channel and.. erm, chat and things. :) > Ooo Errr. I've never done IRC. is that like er cooltalk -- ---------------------------------------------------- | | |This site is developing self awareness | |(Oh no I'm not. cognito ergo P120-SX) | |--------------------------------------------------| |Home nevilley@ndirect.co.uk | |Work gbh3rknr@ibmmail.com | |http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~nevilley/homepage.htm | ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 23 09:49:27 1997 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 04:40:06 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970623044003_-925912612@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Back to the SAM - for a change :) Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 921 Lines: 23 In a message dated 20/06/97 20:23:20, you write: >There have been a lot of complaints about it over the years in places >like Format and Fred - it is nowhere near as good as the first 48K >Spectrum manual (often quoted as being the best home computer manual >ever). > >Cos I now know the SAM, I don't use it much. But it would be handy to >have a better one. > >Samsboss. True, there have been a lot of complaints - at one point I did have a copy of the manual which has lots of corrections in red ink, trouble was I took it to a show and some bugger walked of with it. If I can ever get a flat-bed scanner for my pooter then I will OCR the manual and start working on it. There is already an OCRed version of the Spectrum manual to pinch the good bits from. Must say at this point that when I asked for sample routines (for a possible new manual) from FORMAT readers I was not inundated with usable material. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 23 17:00:31 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <24723.199706231127@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: IRC chat. To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 12:27:30 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <199706221702.SAA00548@mail.enterprise.net> from "Dave Whitmore" at Jun 22, 97 05:57:33 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 568 Lines: 16 > PW> at defiant.dal.net - join #samusers, and you're away. :) > Yep - checked it out and nobody home. :( As expected... :) > I think such a meeting would need to be arranged - what's a convenient time > for most poeple I wonder? Probably at the weekend, due to the call costs! > PW> You might also want to "register" your nick with nickserv while you're > Not many people try to nick my nick, but it's worth considering. :) Would your nick be tolchock, by any chance? If so, you didn't register it! Type /msg nickserv register tolchock to do so. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 23 17:00:31 1997 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 07:45:26 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970623074525_-159896225@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: IRC chat. Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 240 Lines: 11 In a message dated 22/06/97 11:29:01, you write: >I know the 'aol' part is a bit sad, but we can try to educate him about >that can't we. :)) > Very funny :( Bob. (very happy with AOL now they have introduced an 'all-in' pricing deal) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 23 17:00:32 1997 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 07:45:22 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970623074520_2056036703@emout15.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Mice Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 821 Lines: 20 In a message dated 22/06/97 14:12:50, you write: >On Sun, 22 Jun 1997, SamsBoss - The One And Only wrote: > >> > an interface to take an Atari-compatible mouse (and how much it would >> > cost) - or alternatively how I could wire one up? >> > >> The SAM Mouse system is available from WCC/Format for #39.95 (I think) >> That comes with an Atari mouse (tho I did read that there were some >> interfaces that had been altered to take Amiga mice). >> >Is it possible to get the interface without the mouse? I have one that >came from Datel a long time ago, and it's still in mint condition. Forty >quid seems like a lot to buy something I already have. Yes, Available for #31.95 including UK p&p. But warranty may be void if certain types of fault occur (I think its down to static but don't quote me on that.) Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 23 17:00:32 1997 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 07:45:22 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970623074521_1378160991@emout18.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Anyone on yet? Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 175 Lines: 11 In a message dated 22/06/97 16:20:04, you write: >Printed out and framed - just wait to Bob visits next time :) > > >Samsboss. Two words, and the second one is OFF! Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 23 18:48:49 1997 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 13:41:51 -0400 (EDT) From: BillRitman@aol.com Message-ID: <970623134033_-1026070606@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Has everyone gone to the moon? Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 46 Lines: 3 Four emails today - where it everyone? Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 23 19:17:08 1997 Message-Id: <199706231817.TAA13546@mail.enterprise.net> From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-FTN-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Back to the SAM - for a change :) Date: 23 Jun 1997 16:33:54 Organization: Dalmation enterprises References: <970622132916_644582561@emout16.mail.aol.com> X-newsreader: Spot 1.3 #1234 X-mailer: NetGate 1.3 (Amiga; TCP/IP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 575 Lines: 20 In a message of 22 Jun 97 BillRitman@aol.com wrote to sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no: Hi Bill >> What was wrong with it? Bac> If I understand correctly, it was written before the Sam was finished Bac> so it is not complete. I always thought the introductory manual was really good - as you say, considering it was done before the ROM was finished. The Technical manual was also adequate at the time. The problem with producing a new manual, as I see it, is that there isn't much point anymore. :( Bye, _ |_)ave (/\)hitmore http://homepages.enterprise.net/davewhitmore/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 23 19:17:08 1997 Message-Id: <199706231817.TAA13552@mail.enterprise.net> From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-FTN-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: IRC chat. Date: 23 Jun 1997 16:47:13 Organization: Dalmation enterprises References: <33AD1C8D.30F6@ndirect.co.uk> X-newsreader: Spot 1.3 #1234 X-mailer: NetGate 1.3 (Amiga; TCP/IP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1010 Lines: 28 In a message of 22 Jun 97 Nev Young wrote to sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no: Hi Nev, >> Hey, why don't we all get together on IRC sometime. We could have a >> 'SAM-users' channel and.. erm, chat and things. :) NY> Ooo Errr. NY> I've never done IRC. NY> is that like er cooltalk Dunno, what's cooltalk like? :) It may be one and the same thing? There are lots of IRC servers, Demon, BT and loads of others. You can chat with lots of people in any channel, or 'conferences' and 'chat-rooms' as they're sometimes called. You can send each other files, have private conversations, or create bots who look after a channel, or kick people you don't like, etc. The good part is that you can be in as many channels as you want at the same time - so you never get bored. The bad part is that it can become addictive and can cost you lots if you decide to have a few beers with your mates on a Saturday night - like a virtual pub. :) Byeee, _ |_)ave (/\)hitmore http://homepages.enterprise.net/davewhitmore/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 23 19:36:26 1997 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 19:34:05 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@euler.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Has everyone gone to the moon? In-Reply-To: <970623134033_-1026070606@emout09.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1111 Lines: 28 On Mon, 23 Jun 1997 BillRitman@aol.com wrote: > Four emails today - where it everyone? Well, my guess is that it's the end of the Academic year and everyone's gone home for the holidays. I'll be going in the same way. But, this is my last year. And if I don't get internet access at work when I find a job, I'll probably be getting net access via a modem once I get a computer. So, in a week or so, I'll be unsubscribing. And depending on the future and the money situation, I may not be re-subscribing. If anyone feels like emailing me, you can reach me at jps@ark.environ.ork.uk (a cybercafe account) until I get a job and move.. Thanks for a great time guys, and I hope to see you lot at a show sometime.. -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 23 19:57:06 1997 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 19:54:57 +0100 (BST) From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@euler.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Has everyone gone to the moon? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 651 Lines: 17 On Mon, 23 Jun 1997, Justin Skists wrote: (that's me!) > If anyone feels like emailing me, you can reach me at > jps@ark.environ.ork.uk (a cybercafe account) until I get a job and move.. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Oops... I meant: jps@ark.environ.org.uk -- ============================================================================= |Justin Skists (c93js1@dmu.ac.uk) | Artificial Intelligence: | |BSc (Hons) Computer Science, Year 4 | Making computers behave like | |De Montfort University, Leicester, England | they do in the movies. | ============================================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 23 22:13:15 1997 Message-ID: <33AECC7C.2240@ndirect.co.uk> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 20:20:28 +0100 From: Nev Young Organization: ndirect X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: IRC chat. References: <33AD1C8D.30F6@ndirect.co.uk> <199706231817.TAA13552@mail.enterprise.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1058 Lines: 33 Dave Whitmore wrote: > > In a message of 22 Jun 97 Nev Young wrote to sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no: > > Hi Nev, > > >> Hey, why don't we all get together on IRC sometime. We could have a > >> 'SAM-users' channel and.. erm, chat and things. :) > > NY> Ooo Errr. NY> I've never done IRC. > NY> is that like er cooltalk > Dunno, what's cooltalk like? :) Well you speak into the microphone and listen to the speakers. I suspect its something completly different. OK. Dear all How do I get IRC software (ok I'll go to tucows) How do I log into a server. Nev being ignorant. -- ---------------------------------------------------- | | |This site is developing self awareness | |(Oh no I'm not. cognito ergo P120-SX) | |--------------------------------------------------| |Home nevilley@ndirect.co.uk | |Work gbh3rknr@ibmmail.com | |http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~nevilley/homepage.htm | ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 23 22:24:49 1997 Message-ID: <33AF4A2D.532@enterprise.net> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 21:16:45 -0700 From: SamsBoss - The One And Only Organization: Sam Users Forever X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Anyone on yet? References: <970623074521_1378160991@emout18.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 248 Lines: 18 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 22/06/97 16:20:04, you write: > > >Printed out and framed - just wait to Bob visits next time :) > > > > > >Samsboss. > > Two words, and the second one is OFF! > Day off? Pay off? Samsboss. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 23 22:24:49 1997 Message-ID: <33AF4A72.30D9@enterprise.net> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 21:17:54 -0700 From: SamsBoss - The One And Only Organization: Sam Users Forever X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Has everyone gone to the moon? References: <970623134033_-1026070606@emout09.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 164 Lines: 14 BillRitman@aol.com wrote: > > Four emails today - where it everyone? > > Bill. Here I am :) I may have been missing for a long time but I'm back. Samsboss. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 23 22:24:57 1997 Message-ID: <33AF4ADD.5BAF@enterprise.net> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 21:19:41 -0700 From: SamsBoss - The One And Only Organization: Sam Users Forever X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Has everyone gone to the moon? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 847 Lines: 26 Justin Skists wrote: > > On Mon, 23 Jun 1997 BillRitman@aol.com wrote: > > > Four emails today - where it everyone? > > Well, my guess is that it's the end of the Academic year and everyone's > gone home for the holidays. > > I'll be going in the same way. But, this is my last year. And if I don't > get internet access at work when I find a job, I'll probably be getting > net access via a modem once I get a computer. > > So, in a week or so, I'll be unsubscribing. And depending on the future > and the money situation, I may not be re-subscribing. > > If anyone feels like emailing me, you can reach me at > jps@ark.environ.ork.uk (a cybercafe account) until I get a job and move.. > > Thanks for a great time guys, and I hope to see you lot at a show > sometime.. > Talking of shows, any date yet for the next Leeds one? Samsboss. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 24 00:42:38 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <9670.199706232339@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: IRC chat. To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 00:38:56 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <33AECC7C.2240@ndirect.co.uk> from "Nev Young" at Jun 23, 97 08:20:28 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 601 Lines: 15 Snipped it by accident, but : how do you get irc software? Go to http://www.mirc.co.uk, and download mirc. This is good, and it's what I use. > How do I log into a server. Instlal mirc, and when you've done that, it'll ask you for nick, real name, email etc. Fill that in, and click okay rather than connect; you'll then be in a status window. Type /server defiant.dal.net, and you sholud be connected - you'll either have to pick another nick, or you should register the one you have if it's unique. Then type /join #ircnewbies, and ask for help. :) (Don't forget /join #samusers, either) Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 24 08:09:27 1997 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 09:05:55 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9706240705.AA26121@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Has everyone gone to the moon? X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 255 Lines: 9 > If anyone feels like emailing me, you can reach me at > jps@ark.environ.ork.uk (a cybercafe account) until I get a job and move.. > > Thanks for a great time guys, and I hope to see you lot at a show > sometime.. Good luck with the job hunt. -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 24 10:02:25 1997 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 10:57:08 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9706240857.AA26256@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Back to the SAM - for a change :) X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 766 Lines: 16 > If I can ever get a flat-bed scanner for my pooter then I will OCR the manual > and start working on it. There is already an OCRed version of the Spectrum > manual to pinch the good bits from. Must say at this point that when I asked > for sample routines (for a possible new manual) from FORMAT readers I was not > inundated with usable material. Talking about sending in material. I used to send stuff to Format quite frequently in the early days (around -91 I think, if not earlier). I got one letter printed in the letter column, none of my material accepted and no letter of receipt. I was a bit dissapointed then....:) That rather put me off sending anything else; remember disks were quite expensive then, so were postage. That's my reason. :) -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 24 20:34:41 1997 Message-Id: <199706241935.UAA11056@mail.enterprise.net> From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-FTN-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Has everyone gone to the moon? Date: 23 Jun 1997 21:44:46 Organization: Dalmation enterprises References: X-newsreader: Spot 1.3 #1234 X-mailer: NetGate 1.3 (Amiga; TCP/IP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1664 Lines: 55 In a message of 23 Jun 97 Justin Skists wrote to sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no: Hi Justin, >> Four emails today - where it everyone? JS> Well, my guess is that it's the end of the Academic year and every= one's JS> gone home for the holidays. Yep, same happened last year - when the trickle of mail in here got so = slow that I thought someone had unsubscribed me. :) Not to worry though Bill, when the skoollies get back you'll be amazed = how soon it picks up. You'll be cursing when it takes ages to download 150 messages a day - and that's no joke! :)) BICBW about that though. As more old SAM users leave Uni, and as less n= ew students know about proper computers (all those konsole kids) the list = may be doomed to a few old farts, living in the past.. saying "eee when I w= ere a lad, we 'ad proper compyooters. Yer could say LET A =3D 49152 an' it bl= oody well did! None o' yer poncy Gooies either, we 'ad t' press eff nine f't= boot up'th DOS. Yoo yung uns, yer don't know y'born.. JS> I'll be going in the same way. But, this is my last year. And if I JS> don't get internet access at work when I find a job, I'll probably= be JS> getting net access via a modem once I get a computer. You'll really appreciate it more when you have to pay (not!). :)) JS> So, in a week or so, I'll be unsubscribing. And depending on the f= uture JS> and the money situation, I may not be re-subscribing. Okay, so you'll miss the golden re-birth of the SAM. Then again, your g= rand children might drag you into Dixons to have a look at the new SAMSON-Re= tr=F6. :)) All the best, _ |_)ave (/\)hitmore http://homepages.enterprise.net/davewhitmore/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 24 20:49:37 1997 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 15:44:15 -0400 (EDT) From: BillRitman@aol.com Message-ID: <970624154413_579299417@emout17.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Back to the SAM - for a change :) Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 699 Lines: 27 In a message dated 24/06/97 02:56:11, you write: >In a message of 22 Jun 97 BillRitman@aol.com wrote to sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no: > >Hi Bill Hi Dave > > >> What was wrong with it? > > Bac> If I understand correctly, it was written before the Sam was finished > Bac> so it is not complete. > >I always thought the introductory manual was really good - as you say, >considering it was done before the ROM was finished. The Technical manual >was also adequate at the time. The problem with producing a new manual, as I >see it, is that there isn't much point anymore. :( But there must still be a lot of users who would buy a new manual if it was good enough - I would. > >Bye, > TTFN. Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 24 21:55:05 1997 Message-ID: <33B0331F.59F2@ndirect.co.uk> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 21:50:39 +0100 From: Nev Young Organization: ndirect X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: IRC chat. References: <9670.199706232339@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1268 Lines: 32 Mr P R Walker wrote: > > Snipped it by accident, but : how do you get irc software? > > Go to http://www.mirc.co.uk, and download mirc. This is good, and it's what > I use. > > > How do I log into a server. > > Instlal mirc, and when you've done that, it'll ask you for nick, real name, > email etc. Fill that in, and click okay rather than connect; you'll then > be in a status window. Type /server defiant.dal.net, and you sholud be > connected - you'll either have to pick another nick, or you should register > the one you have if it's unique. Then type /join #ircnewbies, and ask for > help. :) (Don't forget /join #samusers, either) > > Paul Fu*K Fu*K Fu*K Fu*K Fu*K Fu*K Fu*K just tried it out and been online for 2 hrs 15. Sh*t man the phone bill will be humoungous !!!! -- ---------------------------------------------------- | | |This site is developing self awareness | |(Oh no I'm not. cognito ergo P120-SX) | |--------------------------------------------------| |Home nevilley@ndirect.co.uk | |Work gbh3rknr@ibmmail.com | |http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~nevilley/homepage.htm | ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jun 25 19:13:44 1997 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: sskardon@argonet.co.uk (Stewart Skardon) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 25 Jun 97 18:10:55 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Has everyone gone to the moon? Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1367 Lines: 54 On Mon 23 Jun 97 (21:19:41), samsboss@enterprise.net wrote: >Justin Skists wrote: >> >> On Mon, 23 Jun 1997 BillRitman@aol.com wrote: >> >> > Four emails today - where it everyone? >> >> Well, my guess is that it's the end of the Academic year and >everyone's >> gone home for the holidays. >> >> I'll be going in the same way. But, this is my last year. And if I >don't >> get internet access at work when I find a job, I'll probably be >getting >> net access via a modem once I get a computer. >> >> So, in a week or so, I'll be unsubscribing. And depending on the >future >> and the money situation, I may not be re-subscribing. >> >> If anyone feels like emailing me, you can reach me at >> jps@ark.environ.ork.uk (a cybercafe account) until I get a job and >move.. >> >> Thanks for a great time guys, and I hope to see you lot at a show >> sometime.. >> >Talking of shows, any date yet for the next Leeds one? > >Samsboss. > > AFAIK, Allan isn't doing one I'm afraid. -- _ (_'tewart email : sskardon@argonet.co.uk ,_)kardon Crashed Magazine - The SAM Coupe and ZX Spectrum Magazine. Crashed WWW Site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon -=O=- Organisers of The Northern SAM and Spectrum Show NSSS WWW Site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/nsss.html From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jun 25 19:34:22 1997 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 19:32:27 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Walker X-Sender: csuan@lily To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: IRC chat. In-Reply-To: <33B0331F.59F2@ndirect.co.uk> Message-ID: "X-Archive: no" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 280 Lines: 11 On Tue, 24 Jun 1997, Nev Young wrote: > Fu*K Fu*K Fu*K Fu*K Fu*K Fu*K Fu*K > just tried it out and been online for 2 hrs 15. > Sh*t man the phone bill will be humoungous !!!! Was this downloading mirc, or talking on irc? If the latter, be warned it can be addictive. ;) Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jun 25 21:11:54 1997 Message-ID: <33B17AB2.746A@ndirect.co.uk> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 21:08:19 +0100 From: Nev Young Organization: ndirect X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: IRC chat. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 796 Lines: 22 Paul Walker wrote: > > On Tue, 24 Jun 1997, Nev Young wrote: > > > Fu*K Fu*K Fu*K Fu*K Fu*K Fu*K Fu*K > > just tried it out and been online for 2 hrs 15. > > Sh*t man the phone bill will be humoungous !!!! > > Was this downloading mirc, or talking on irc? If the latter, be warned it It was talking wnsn't it. -- ---------------------------------------------------- | | |This site is developing self awareness | |(Oh no I'm not. cognito ergo P120-SX) | |--------------------------------------------------| |Home nevilley@ndirect.co.uk | |Work gbh3rknr@ibmmail.com | |http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~nevilley/homepage.htm | ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jun 25 23:02:43 1997 Message-Id: <199706252202.XAA15109@mail.enterprise.net> From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-FTN-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Back to the SAM - for a change :) Date: 25 Jun 1997 22:54:11 Organization: Dalmation enterprises References: <970624154413_579299417@emout17.mail.aol.com> X-newsreader: Spot 1.3 #1234 X-mailer: NetGate 1.3 (Amiga; TCP/IP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1723 Lines: 59 In a message of 24 Jun 97 BillRitman@aol.com wrote to sam-users@nvg.ntn= u.no: Hi Bill >> I see it, is that there isn't much point anymore. :( Bac> But there must still be a lot of users who would buy a new manual= if Bac> it was good enough - I would. Yes. I bet we could make a great thick tome of information gathered fro= m the users to add to the manual, but I still think it'd be a hard thing to s= ell. Half of the fun in owning a SAM is that you always want to know more, a= nd thanks to people who supply magazines like Format (yes, I really did sa= y that), SAM Supplement and others, we've had a great deal of technical information over the years. Combining all that info into a single volum= e or two would take a lot of hard work and the questions are:=20 1, Who's gonna do it? (us?) 2, When? (like 2005?) 3, Who'll publish it (Format/West-Coast /Revelation/Fred?) 4, Why? - the user base for our 8-bit 'blue footed friend' is shrinkin= g so fast that it just wouldn't be viable - unless the publishers felt espec= ially philanthropic and literally gave it away. I reckon that such an undertaking would be best suited to the 'SAM User= s' who've got time to kill, and that they'd be willing to do it all for fr= ee - with the resulting work being made freeware. Let's face it, the future = of the SAM is in emulation. At some point, we're all going to have compute= rs capable of running an emulated SAM at a reasonable speed (like the Spec= trum, like the MSX, like the C64, even Amigas, STs and PCs) and thinking abou= t our SAM Retr=F3 any other way is all a bit silly. Bye, (lets just say I feel controversial) ;-) _ |_)ave (/\)hitmore http://homepages.enterprise.net/davewhitmore/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 26 00:25:26 1997 Message-Id: <199706252323.AAA29834@hermes.clara.net> From: Persona To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: IRC Organisation: Persona X-Mailer: Atlantis Mail 16, Version 1.0 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 97 00:21:01 BST Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 462 Lines: 12 So when is everyone going on to IRC then? I'd suggest to make it on Sunday moring, when it's cheap and clearer. DL =================================================================== Email for Persona Marketing & Development is collected & forwarded by David Ledbury, on behalf of Persona M&D. David's views should not be considered those of Persona and any such inference is in error. ====================================================================== From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 26 10:02:11 1997 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 04:59:13 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970626045913_-694501218@emout11.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: IRC chat. Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 438 Lines: 18 In a message dated 26/06/97 01:33:31, you write: >Paul Walker wrote: >> >> On Tue, 24 Jun 1997, Nev Young wrote: >> >> > Fu*K Fu*K Fu*K Fu*K Fu*K Fu*K Fu*K >> > just tried it out and been online for 2 hrs 15. >> > Sh*t man the phone bill will be humoungous !!!! >> >> Was this downloading mirc, or talking on irc? If the latter, be warned it > >It was talking wnsn't it. No, it was conversational typing. Bob. (pedent for the day) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 26 11:02:04 1997 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 05:59:01 EDT From: "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: IRC chat. Message-Id: <19970626095919Z49164-13708+895@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 691 Lines: 32 Date: 1997-06-26 11:02 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: BrenchleyR@aol.com To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >Subject: Re: IRC chat. >In a message dated 26/06/97 01:33:31, you write: >>Paul Walker wrote: >>> >>> On Tue, 24 Jun 1997, Nev Young wrote: >>> >>> > Fu*K Fu*K Fu*K Fu*K Fu*K Fu*K Fu*K >>> > just tried it out and been online for 2 hrs 15. >>> > Sh*t man the phone bill will be humoungous ]]]] >>> >>> Was this downloading mirc, or talking on irc? If the latter, be warned it >> >>It was talking wnsn't it. >No, it was conversational typing. >Bob. >(pedent for the day) Har Har Har. Then why isn't it called irct ? Me From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 26 11:16:18 1997 From: Mr P R Walker Message-Id: <28508.199706261012@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: IRC chat. To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 11:12:29 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <19970626095919Z49164-13708+895@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> from "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" at Jun 26, 97 05:59:01 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 161 Lines: 9 > >No, it was conversational typing. > >Bob. > >(pedent for the day) Waitaminute. I didn't get this message from Bob ... is the mailing list playing up? Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 26 15:58:43 1997 Message-ID: <33B2E455.6834@enterprise.net> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 14:51:17 -0700 From: SamsBoss - The One And Only Organization: Sam Users Forever X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Has everyone gone to the moon? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 311 Lines: 18 Stewart Skardon wrote: > > On Mon 23 Jun 97 (21:19:41), samsboss@enterprise.net wrote: > >> > >Talking of shows, any date yet for the next Leeds one? > > > >Samsboss. > > > > > > AFAIK, Allan isn't doing one I'm afraid. Bum, I missed that last one cos of work - him can't do this - talk to him. Samsboss. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 26 15:58:43 1997 Message-ID: <33B2E495.55B@enterprise.net> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 14:52:21 -0700 From: SamsBoss - The One And Only Organization: Sam Users Forever X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: IRC References: <199706252323.AAA29834@hermes.clara.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 222 Lines: 14 Persona wrote: > > So when is everyone going on to IRC then? > > I'd suggest to make it on Sunday moring, when it's cheap and clearer. > > DL > No good, no one with any brains is up on a Sunday morning :) Samsboss From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 26 18:46:56 1997 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 13:43:07 -0400 (EDT) From: BillRitman@aol.com Message-ID: <970626134306_-1395056034@emout02.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: IRC chat. Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 252 Lines: 16 In a message dated 26/06/97 10:58:01, you write: >> >No, it was conversational typing. >> >Bob. >> >(pedent for the day) > >Waitaminute. I didn't get this message from Bob ... is the mailing list >playing up? > >Paul > > No. Not at this end. Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 26 18:46:57 1997 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 13:43:15 -0400 (EDT) From: BillRitman@aol.com Message-ID: <970626134305_302815198@emout01.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: IRC chat. Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 288 Lines: 19 In a message dated 26/06/97 10:57:58, you write: >>> >>>It was talking wnsn't it. >>No, it was conversational typing. >>Bob. >>(pedent for the day) > >Har Har Har. >Then why isn't it called irct ? > >Me > > Because they are Mericans and they can't spell as well as we can't :) Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jun 27 11:39:47 1997 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 11:36:29 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Walker X-Sender: csuan@holly To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: IRC chat. In-Reply-To: <970626134306_-1395056034@emout02.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: "X-Archive: no" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 362 Lines: 15 On Thu, 26 Jun 1997 BillRitman@aol.com wrote: > >Waitaminute. I didn't get this message from Bob ... is the mailing list > >playing up? > No. Not at this end. Ah well. Doesn't matter anyway - as term ends tomorrow, I'm leaving the list just after I post this! Have a great summer, all. Paul ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ----- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jun 27 18:02:00 1997 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 12:55:39 EDT From: "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: IRC chat. Message-Id: <19970627165555Z49194-13708+2708@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 540 Lines: 28 Date: 1997-06-27 17:58 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 13:43:07 -0400 (EDT) >From: BillRitman@aol.com >To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >Subject: Re: IRC chat. > >In a message dated 26/06/97 10:58:01, you write: > >>> >No, it was conversational typing. >>> >Bob. >>> >(pedent for the day) >> >>Waitaminute. I didn't get this message from Bob ... is the mailing list >>playing up? >> >>Paul No your kill file is working :-) >No. Not at this end. > >Bill. Nev. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 30 08:35:51 1997 X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L NL @ C&L INT @ C&L INT EXTERNAL @ WORLDCOM @INTERLIANT @ WORLDCOM @ OUTBOUND From: Stefan Drissen To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Message-ID: <862564C6.00296B48.00@internet-503.interliant.com> Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 21:02:22 +0100 Subject: SAA-1099 support Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1652 Lines: 47 Hi all, Having been strolling through some mod info I discovered this Czech (Aley) who had also written a mod player for the sam - got into contact with him and done some swapping (not seen his mod player but it is very very very basic). He's not done any more programming on the SAM but he has recently written an SAA-1099 emulator for the PC: "I've just finished my SAA1099 emulator for PC AT. It plays SAA tunes via AdLib or OPL3. All those Miner, Tetris, Prince, Splat, ... works. Did you ever seen a full Sam Coupe emulator for any PC-based system? I want to compare it to my one." So speaks Aley, his email address is: KEPRTA@infnw.inf.upol.cz He might have some good ideas on incorporating SAA-1099 support into SimCoupe. -- **************************************** This document should only be read by those persons to whom it is addressed and is not intended to be relied upon by any person without subsequent written confirmation of its contents. Accordingly, Coopers & Lybrand disclaim all responsibility and accept no liability (including in negligence) for the consequences for any person acting, or refraining from acting, on such information prior to the receipt by those persons of subsequent written confirmation. 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I didn't get this message from Bob ... is the mailing list >>>playing up? >>> >>>Paul >No your kill file is working :-) > > >>No. Not at this end. >> >>Bill. > >Nev. Very funny - as if anyone would killfile me...... Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 30 10:53:04 1997 X-Authentication-Warning: dxmint.cern.ch: Host hpopl1.cern.ch [137.138.243.47] claimed to be hpopb1.cern.ch Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 11:47:59 +0200 (METDST) From: Allan Skillman X-Sender: allan@hpopl1.cern.ch To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: New version of SimCoupe for DOS Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 284 Lines: 12 Hi All, I have put together a new version of SimCoupe for DOS, which now includes a new dedicated VESA based video driver. This should work for all vesa compatible video cards. You can find it at the usual URL : http://www.hep.ucl.ac.uk/~simcoupe/simcoupe_dos.html regards Allan From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 30 16:11:40 1997 From: Gavin Smith Organization: University of Ulster To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 16:18:00 GMT Subject: Eh Simon? X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <53079B873F9@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 165 Lines: 4 > I got 2 hours sleep last night. THat's what reading Amiga Power 2 -- Back > From The Dead -- will do to you. Eh? They aren't really gonna relaunch it are they? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 30 16:11:40 1997 From: Gavin Smith Organization: University of Ulster To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 16:20:35 GMT Subject: BillyBossyBobby X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <530853D4D39@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 314 Lines: 9 > You do come across as an arrogant little runt you know. > Having read what you have said as well as what Bob has said I think you are > deliberatly setting out to cause trouble === again. > > Bill. Except that everyone agreed with Andrew, except of course for you and Bob (and probably Samsboss too). *sigh* From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 30 19:31:17 1997 From: Gavin Smith Organization: University of Ulster To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 19:42:31 GMT Subject: Re: BillyBossyBobby X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <533E2B701F5@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 287 Lines: 9 > Bloody hells bells!!! > > Bit behind the time in Northern Ireland by the looks of it :) Well, as its the end of term, I'm not in Uni so much (although it is just 15 mins down the road from my house), but I will be getting a modem at home soon, so watch out *grins evilily* Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 30 19:31:17 1997 Message-ID: <33B85B78.246B@enterprise.net> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 18:20:56 -0700 From: SamsBoss - The One And Only Organization: Sam Users Forever X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: BillyBossyBobby References: <530853D4D39@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 493 Lines: 22 Gavin Smith wrote: > > > You do come across as an arrogant little runt you know. > > Having read what you have said as well as what Bob has said I think you are > > deliberatly setting out to cause trouble === again. > > > > Bill. > > Except that everyone agreed with Andrew, except of course for you and > Bob (and probably Samsboss too). > *sigh* Bloody hells bells!!! Bit behind the time in Northern Ireland by the looks of it :) And trust you to stir things up again :( Samsboss. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 30 19:31:17 1997 Message-ID: <33B85C31.5C86@enterprise.net> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 18:24:01 -0700 From: SamsBoss - The One And Only Organization: Sam Users Forever X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: New version of SimCoupe for DOS References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 514 Lines: 29 Allan Skillman wrote: > > Hi All, > > I have put together a new version of SimCoupe for DOS, which now includes > a new dedicated VESA based video driver. This should work for all vesa > compatible video cards. You can find it at the usual URL : > > http://www.hep.ucl.ac.uk/~simcoupe/simcoupe_dos.html > > regards > > Allan Why do I get the message: ----------------------------- Error 403 Forbidden - bad user directory CERN-HTTPD 3.0A ------------------------------ when I try this url? Samsboss. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 30 19:31:17 1997 Message-ID: <33B85CA8.4E4E@enterprise.net> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 18:26:00 -0700 From: SamsBoss - The One And Only Organization: Sam Users Forever X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: IRC chat. References: <970630045141_2023165436@emout03.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 636 Lines: 33 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 28/06/97 14:59:46, you write: > > >> > >>In a message dated 26/06/97 10:58:01, you write: > >> > >>>> >No, it was conversational typing. > >>>> >Bob. > >>>> >(pedent for the day) > >>> > >>>Waitaminute. I didn't get this message from Bob ... is the mailing list > >>>playing up? > >>> > >>>Paul > >No your kill file is working :-) > > > > > >>No. Not at this end. > >> > >>Bill. > > > >Nev. > > Very funny - as if anyone would killfile me...... > > Bob. We I know you kill-filed a couple of people so..... Samsboss. (Who would never dream of using a kill-file - except on A.C.)