From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 1 08:33:24 1997 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 12:17:10 +0200 (CEST) From: Tomasz Pudlo To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: subscript Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 21 Lines: 2 subscribe sam-users From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 1 09:52:09 1997 Message-ID: <2A9FD83001F73000@c2gate.tcom.co.uk> Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 9:32:00 +0100 From: Dan Doore Organization: * To: tombox@katowice.pkp.com.pl (Tomasz Pudlo) Cc: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no (Sam Users Mailing List) Subject: RE: subscript Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.30A MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 145 Lines: 11 > subscribe sam-users Tomasz, This has come straight to the list instead of majordomo, resend the message to: majordomo@nvg.ntnu.no Dan. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 1 11:15:08 1997 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 06:11:55 EDT From: "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: subscript Message-Id: <19970801101214Z49506-14592+6057@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 541 Lines: 21 Date: 1997-08-01 11:01 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 12:17:10 +0200 (CEST) >From: Tomasz Pudlo >To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >Subject: subscript >subscribe sam-users I am sure that other lists I am on do not accept and repost mails from people who are not currently subscribed. Non members trying to post get led by the hand through the subscription process. I am not being a grumpy old man I just have a hangover. OK. Nev. From imc Fri Aug 1 11:17:39 1997 Subject: Re: subscript To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 11:17:39 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <19970801101214Z49506-14592+6057@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> from "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" at Aug 1, 97 06:11:55 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 386 Lines: 9 On Fri, 01 Aug 1997 06:11:55 EDT, YOUNG, Neville / IT Life said: > I am sure that other lists I am on do not accept and repost mails from > people who are not currently subscribed. It's an option in majordomo. Another option you can set is to make it check for "administrivia" posted to the list by accident and redirect it. These both appear to be set off at the moment. :-) imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 4 22:11:53 1997 Message-Id: From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale) Subject: sam mouse To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 22:07:18 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <9708011017.AA29648@gruffle.comlab.ox.ac.uk> from "Ian Collier" at Aug 1, 97 11:17:39 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1059 Lines: 29 I am simultaneosuly rather happy, and rather narked. After a lot of tinkering, I have managed to get a PC mouse to emulate the SAM mouse in hardware so, theoretically, it should work with all existing software. Anyway, it works fine with basic's xmouse and ymouse functions, and my art package.... 10 rem SAMPaint II (c) A. Gale 20 plot xmouse,ymouse: goto 20 .....works a treat. But now things get weird - I only have two pieces of mouse software, SAMPaint, and a mouse demo on Enceladus 6 (under "extra") - neither of which work! The Enc 6 demo only uses xmouse and ymouse, and I think that SAMPaint uses the standard basic mouse driver, which makes things darn confusing. Has anyone any ideas? As you may know, the mouse interface provides 12bits of displacement in each direction, but with my i/face the top 4 bits are always 1111 - but this doesn't matter with the basic driver as it ignores the top 4 bit. Has anyone any ideas as to what the devil is going on?!!! (I do have one idea, but it's most unlikely so I won't bore you with it). Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 4 23:24:54 1997 Subject: Re: sam mouse To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 23:21:50 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Andrew M Gale" at Aug 4, 97 10:07:18 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <19970804222211Z49445-14902+682@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 828 Lines: 18 > After a lot of tinkering, I have managed to get a PC > mouse to emulate the SAM mouse in hardware so, theoretically, > it should work with all existing software. Anyway, it works > fine with basic's xmouse and ymouse functions, and my art > package.... [snip] > Enc 6 demo only uses xmouse and ymouse, and I think that > SAMPaint uses the standard basic mouse driver, which makes > things darn confusing. Has anyone any ideas? Well... have you seen BOAI issue 1? That had the complete output spec of the mouse (and issue 2 had a detailed breakdown of the interface). It could be that it's not sending dummy bytes or clearing the counter when it's expected to, and is thus not reacting in the way that a mouse is expected to if it's plugged in. Just a thought. I'd have to know more about how your interface worked. Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 5 11:34:58 1997 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 11:12:00 +0100 From: Dan Doore Organization: * To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no (SAM-USER@SMTP {sam-users@nvg.unit.no}) Subject: RE: sam mouse Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.20B.16 MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 385 Lines: 14 > Enc 6 demo only uses xmouse and ymouse, and I think that > SAMPaint uses the standard basic mouse driver, which makes > things darn confusing. Has anyone any ideas? No ideas but... You might want to test it with Steve Taylors Mouse Driver - it's on NVG under the deeply cryptic name of 'mdii.pak' it lurks in one of the misc directories I think And Lemmings of course :) Dan. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 5 16:04:05 1997 Message-Id: From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale) Subject: Re: sam mouse To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 15:58:56 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Dan Doore" at Aug 5, 97 11:12:00 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 224 Lines: 8 > You might want to test it with Steve Taylors Mouse Driver - it's on > NVG under the deeply cryptic name of 'mdii.pak' it lurks in one of > the misc directories I think > Thanks for that - what, btw, is a .pak file? Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 5 16:12:33 1997 Message-Id: From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale) Subject: Re: sam mouse To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:05:14 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <19970804222211Z49445-14902+682@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> from "Simon Cooke" at Aug 4, 97 11:21:50 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1134 Lines: 39 > Well... have you seen BOAI issue 1? That had the complete output spec of > the mouse (and issue 2 had a detailed breakdown of the interface). It > could be that it's not sending dummy bytes or clearing the counter when > it's expected to, and is thus not reacting in the way that a mouse is > expected to if it's plugged in. Just a thought. I'd have to know more > about how your interface worked. > The monostable is a possible source of error, but I'm not convinced. Is it still possible to get BOAI 1 & 2? The address is on your homepage, isn't it? My understanding of the sam mouse is that the i/face supplies the following nybbles of information in this order, provided the gap between subsequent reads is not too great: 1) cursor keys 2) 1111 3) button status 4) y11 y10 y9 y8 5) y7 y6 y5 y4 6) y3 y2 y1 y0 7) x11 ... x8 8) x7.... x4 9) x3.... x0 ... what happens next, I'm not entirely sure - I assume 1111 Of course, if the gap between subsequent reads should be too great (not sure how great, but something between 1ms and 20ms) then the i/face re-sets back to step 1). Does that sound about right? Andy 5) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 5 16:17:28 1997 Subject: Re: sam mouse To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:12:09 +0100 (BST) Cc: Simon.Cooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Cooke) In-Reply-To: from "Andrew M Gale" at Aug 5, 97 04:05:14 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <19970805151243Z49445-14902+1105@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1047 Lines: 40 > Is it still possible to get BOAI 1 & 2? The address is on your > homepage, isn't it? Yep - though it may be out of date. Send your order to: 38 Squires Lane, Tyldesley, Manchester, M29 8GF. Cheques to M. Rookyard. 2.00 UKP per issue, or 6.00 for a four issue sub. > My understanding of the sam mouse is that the i/face supplies > the following nybbles of information in this order, provided the > gap between subsequent reads is not too great: > > 1) cursor keys > 2) 1111 > 3) button status > 4) y11 y10 y9 y8 > 5) y7 y6 y5 y4 > 6) y3 y2 y1 y0 > 7) x11 ... x8 > 8) x7.... x4 > 9) x3.... x0 > > ... what happens next, I'm not entirely sure - I assume 1111 I can't quite remember myself -- I'll look it up tonight. > Of course, if the gap between subsequent reads should be too > great (not sure how great, but something between 1ms and 20ms) > then the i/face re-sets back to step 1). > > Does that sound about right? > > Andy Yep sounds about OK to me -- though as I've said, I'll have to check the mag for more details. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 5 16:46:10 1997 Message-ID: <25A7D83001F73000@c2gate.tcom.co.uk> Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:42:00 +0100 From: Dan Doore Organization: * To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no (SAM-USER@SMTP {sam-users@nvg.unit.no}) Subject: RE: sam mouse Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.20B.16 MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 281 Lines: 11 > Thanks for that - what, btw, is a .pak file? It's just a Sam archive code file - transfer it to a Sam disc and then load it at 32000 and CALL 32000. It will then unpack (quite slowly so don't be alarmed when it sounds as if it's trashing the floppy) to the disc. Dan. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 5 21:06:10 1997 Message-Id: <199708051955.UAA02848@mail.enterprise.net> From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-FTN-To: SAM People Subject: Some stuff to sell. Date: 05 Aug 1997 20:52:42 Organization: Dalmation enterprises X-newsreader: Spot 1.3 #1234 X-mailer: NetGate 1.3 (Amiga; TCP/IP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2372 Lines: 66 I'd like to turn some or all of the following items into cash. I'm keep= ing hold of my 512K SAM with 1 meg module and mouse interface, but the following bits are currently surplus to requirements. For Sale: 1x MGT SAM Coup=E9 256K * Epandable to 512K (plus external memory). ROM= 3. Complete with manual & box. DOS disks, etc. * Important - to be of any use - consider that= it needs disk drive kit, and the modulator within= the PSU has a slight fault. Otherwise fine. Can be used with monitor or a TV with SCART connectio= n without the need of a modulator.=20 1x SAM Technical manual - For the technically minded SAM enthusiast. 1x SAM-Bus (Card Cage) 4 way expansion bus for adding peripherals & external memory.=20 1x SAMplifier Play SAM sound in stereo through headphones or speakers. 1x SDI (SAM Disk Interface) Includes parallel printer port, leads for printer, and external disk driv= e. 1x External disk drive Has own PSU - suitable for use with either SDI = or Plus D disk drive interface. 1x MGT Plus D interface For Spectrum 48, 48+, 128, or +2 (not +2A or +3= - but can be used with +2A or +3 with Fixit - not supplied). Includes: Manual, GDOS, BetaDOS, BetaBASIC & other disks. 1x Multiface 128 Romantic Robot's Plus D/Disciple version - allo= ws compressed snapshots to be made to disk (128 an= d 48K) or (heaven forbid) tape. If anyone would like to make offers or has any questions about any of t= he above kit, please email me. Or if you prefer to talk, phone me on (UK) 01744-614150. Sunday-Friday (best after 6pm). Potential buyers may be able to persuade me to attend the Northern Spec= cy & SAM show. This is a _one-off_ notice... honest. :) Thanks, _ -------------------------------------- |_)ave | Dalmation - Saturdays 12 till 10 pm | (/\)hitmore | homepages.enterprise.net.dalm.html | | UK 01744 614150 | -------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 5 21:37:59 1997 From: Gavin Smith Organization: University of Ulster To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 21:50:34 GMT Subject: Me is sorry X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <9918CC3688@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 998 Lines: 19 Hello you lovely people, I owe one or two of you an apology for not being around for the last 3 weeks - there have been a number of reasons - being on holiday, trying to moving house (unsuccessfully), studying for (repeat) exams (including Systems Analysis! Wahey! I failed it!), working for (repeat) coursework, and I have a job too (walking round houses deciding whether they should be knocked down or not *evil cackle*...Samsboss where do you live mate? :) Plus, my girlfriend hates this mailing list because I just sit and talk about Sam type stuff to her :) Anyway! I'm getting Cable installed tomorrow, and by the weekend I should have a modem for my PC (56K - yummy) so from next week, you will see no end of me I'm afraid, whether its on this mailing list or on #samusers on Undernet (registration form has been sent in by the way). Anyway, apologies to those who I promised I would do stuff for/be here for/etc, but it really hasn't been my fault... Next week then...! Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 5 23:14:31 1997 Message-Id: From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale) Subject: sam mouse - works! To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 23:11:36 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <19970805151243Z49445-14902+1105@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> from "Simon Cooke" at Aug 5, 97 04:12:09 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 906 Lines: 22 Thanks Simon & Dan - I now have a fully working sam mouse... I feel like a bit of a prat 'cos it was just a simple fault - I had the buttons reading as '1' if they were pressed rather than '0', so the programs were having fits thinking buttons were being pressed when they weren't. Oh, and I had them configured as button 1 and button 2 rather than 1 & 3. One lesson I learnt through lots of hair-tearing with this design, is never to be stingy with decoupling capacitors on the power lines - too few can result in all sorts of wacky bugs! The interface is quite nice a small - it uses 12 chips compared to SamCo's 15, and five of those are piggy-backed in my veroboard hash-up, so it should all fit onto a small pcb - maybe just 2"x2". Does anyone know whether any existing software actually uses the top 4 bits of the x- and y-displacements? I doubt it really, but I though I best just check. Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 6 10:00:49 1997 Subject: Re: sam mouse - works! To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 09:56:29 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Andrew M Gale" at Aug 5, 97 11:11:36 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <19970806085655Z49321-14902+1462@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 571 Lines: 15 > Does anyone know whether any existing software actually uses > the top 4 bits of the x- and y-displacements? I doubt it really, > but I though I best just check. > > Andy > Ummm... not that I know of, but that doesn't mean that it's not used somewhere... I mean, most people used the original Andy Wright mouse driver to base their own on... it's only since you and I have decoded the logic on that board that people have even known (except Bruce and Andy) about the upper 4 bits. Still, it's safer to put them in, rather thn to just output dummy bytes. Simon From imc Wed Aug 6 11:13:13 1997 Subject: Re: sam mouse - works! To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:13:13 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Andrew M Gale" at Aug 5, 97 11:11:36 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 227 Lines: 7 On Tue, 5 Aug 1997 23:11:36 +0100 (BST), Andrew M Gale said: > Oh, and I had them configured > as button 1 and button 2 rather than 1 & 3. What happens if you get a 3-button mouse, then? imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 6 14:10:26 1997 Message-Id: From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale) Subject: Re: sam mouse - works! To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 13:11:16 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <9708061013.AA17255@gruffle.comlab.ox.ac.uk> from "Ian Collier" at Aug 6, 97 11:13:13 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 270 Lines: 11 > > as button 1 and button 2 rather than 1 & 3. > > What happens if you get a 3-button mouse, then? > I haven't implemented it yet, but the middle button will work as button 2 - well, for logitech mice at least, which I think is the standard for 3 button mice. Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 8 22:24:58 1997 Message-Id: <199708082119.WAA08397@mail.enterprise.net> From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-FTN-To: ALL Subject: Cease And Desist Flaming Date: 08 Aug 1997 22:17:47 Organization: Dalmation enterprises X-newsreader: Spot 1.3 #1234 X-mailer: NetGate 1.3 (Amiga; TCP/IP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2089 Lines: 44 * This message forwarded from area 'Internet Email' * Original message dated 08 Aug 97, from webmaster@sailahead.com On the subject of spamming.. look what some joker has just sent me. :)) _____________________________________________________________________ From: webmaster@sailahead.com Date: Fri, 08 Aug 97 12:11:32 EST To: suspected_flamer@somewhereincyberspace.com Subject: Cease And Desist Flaming Reply-To: khskllp@aol.com Comments: Authenticated sender is On behalf of our client, Samsung America Inc., ("Samsung") we hereby request that you cease and desist all inflammatory internet hacking, telephone hacking, flaming, jamming, and other illegal activities. If you have responded aversely to a recent bulk email message from our client, Samsung America, Inc., or from any of its subsidiary companies, then you may be one of the people who has performed fraudulent and actionable transgressions, thereby causing severe harm to our client. Your email name was provided as being suspected of connection to various acts of internet terrorism. Your acts are illegal. Several messages have suggested that Samsung and/or its subsidiaries, including but not limited to Sailahead Global Emporium, www.sailahead.com, and Samsung Electronics, www.sosimple.com, violated US Federal Laws through activities commonly called "spamming." This allegation is unfounded in the law, as spamming is a protected activity under the laws of free speech. Our client has asked us to inform you that all of your future correspondences should be directed to their counsel: Russell L. Allyn, Attorney at Law California Sate Bar Number (SBN) 143531 Katz, Hoyt, Seigel & Kapor LLP Los Angeles, CA khskllp@aol.com 310-473-1300 310-473-7138 (fax) All incidents of internet terrorism will be prosecuted where possible, and reported to appropriate law enforcement authorities as warranted. Please consider this as your notice to cease all attempts to harm multi-national corporations who conduct legitimate commerce on the internet. Russell L. Allyn, Attorney at Law From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 8 23:02:53 1997 Message-Id: <199708082158.XAA25074@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: Cease And Desist Flaming Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 00:00:02 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1079 Lines: 31 > Van: Dave Whitmore > Aan: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Onderwerp: Cease And Desist Flaming > Datum: Saturday, August 09, 1997 12:17 > > * This message forwarded from area 'Internet Email' > * Original message dated 08 Aug 97, from webmaster@sailahead.com > > On the subject of spamming.. look what some joker has just sent me. :)) > > _____________________________________________________________________ > > > From: webmaster@sailahead.com > Date: Fri, 08 Aug 97 12:11:32 EST > To: suspected_flamer@somewhereincyberspace.com > Subject: Cease And Desist Flaming > Reply-To: khskllp@aol.com > Comments: Authenticated sender is > Poor khskllp@aol.com, a typical case of revengemail. Just like the video's I had ordered last weekend (together with about half of the online-community who had ordered the same ones at exactly the same time). The victim must have a phone-bill that goes straight up into the stratosphere now. :) Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] 14 BREAK, CONTINUE to repeat 10:1 From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 9 01:02:36 1997 Message-Id: <199708082359.AAA19798@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Paul Walker To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 00:59:30 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Cease And Desist Flaming In-reply-to: <199708082119.WAA08397@mail.enterprise.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 229 Lines: 7 > On the subject of spamming.. look what some joker has just sent me. :)) I've just got the same thing - at least it's not one of us being singled out for attention. ;) Wonder if anyone can be bothered to trace the message? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 11 09:03:48 1997 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 09:10:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Paveley To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Cease And Desist Flaming In-Reply-To: <199708082119.WAA08397@mail.enterprise.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 388 Lines: 14 dw>On the subject of spamming.. look what some joker has just sent me. :)) Such timeing, I logged on today to find the first two UCE's to reach unc@dplinux.... :( I must work out how to post to newsgroups without my proper email address. Thinking of which, I have a 1.5meg email folder on one of my old accounts full of spam, maybe I should use it to start email bombing.... ....@/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 11 09:41:11 1997 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 09:47:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Paveley To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Cease And Desist Flaming In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 627 Lines: 20 On Mon, 11 Aug 1997, Tim Paveley wrote: unc>Such timeing, I logged on today to find the first two UCE's to reach unc>unc@dplinux.... make that 3..... Just found that I've been sent one of these 'cease and desist' emails (to another account. Now my interpretation of the wording is that it's accusing me of illegal activities. I know this isn't the case :) Is this slander or something simular? It's insulting if nothing else. Anyone know if under law I could sue them or anything? I probably wouldn't even if could, but an interesting thought..... (I'll stop emailing this list and go and do some work now ;) ////@. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 11 09:41:12 1997 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 04:40:12 EDT From: "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: spamming ]]] Message-Id: <19970811084032Z49249-3580+853@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 794 Lines: 30 Date: 1997-08-11 09:45 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Is it possible that some joker has got hold of the sam users mail list.? Today I got my first bit of spam sent to my works e-mail address. I only use it to post to 3 sites sam users, bob brenchley and "a friend" headers were: Received: from emout03.mail.aol.com by ibmmail.COM (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Sun, 10 Aug 97 12:56:35 EDT Received: (from root@localhost) by emout03.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id MAA24834; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 12:48:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970810124800_-1472602568@emout03.mail.aol.com> my employers will not be pleased if I start to get hundreds of junk e-mails. and I can't change my address either. me sad :( nev From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 11 10:54:22 1997 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 11:02:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Paveley To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: spamming ]]] In-Reply-To: <19970811084032Z49249-3580+853@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1763 Lines: 48 On Mon, 11 Aug 1997, YOUNG, Neville / IT Life wrote: >Is it possible that some joker has got hold of the sam users mail list.? Hmm, now there's a technique I don't think people have started using yet, just email majordomo@list.of.known.hosts, get list names, and who them all, the addresses would be pretty much valid... >Today I got my first bit of spam sent to my works e-mail address. I only use >it to post to 3 sites >sam users, bob brenchley and "a friend" Sounds very worrying, I always got the impressions most lists were made up of usenet postings, Only other thing I can think of would be if you'd given the address out when submitting some form or something, but since it's work email, that seems less likely. Thinking aobut it, you 'rot13' all your details anyway (from memory), so that seems even less likely. >Received: from emout03.mail.aol.com by ibmmail.COM (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with >TCP; > Sun, 10 Aug 97 12:56:35 EDT >Received: (from root@localhost) > by emout03.mail.aol..com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) > id MAA24834; > Sun, 10 Aug 1997 12:48:01 -0400 (EDT) >Message-ID: <970810124800_-1472602568@emout03.mail.aol.com> They look like real headers, although quite a few of my spam collection have fake ones pointing at aol or compuserve, something I wish I knew more about. >my employers will not be pleased if I start to get hundreds of junk e-mails. neither I imagine will you... >me sad :( keep fingers crossed, I've had one account that seems to get 2 or 3 a day, but another one of mine had about 2 spams a couple of months ago, and none since, so it is possible to be forgotten about. Tim (waiting for someone to tell him he's written a load of old shoe repairers) Oh yes, I'm here to work aren't I.... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 11 11:15:45 1997 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 06:10:49 EDT From: "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: spamming Message-Id: <19970811101114Z49195-3580+931@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1438 Lines: 43 Date: 1997-08-11 11:14 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 11:02:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Paveley >To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no >Subject: Re: spamming >On Mon, 11 Aug 1997, YOUNG, Neville / IT Life wrote: >>Is it possible that some joker has got hold of the sam users mail list.? >Hmm, now there's a technique I don't think people have started using yet, >just email majordomo@list.of.known.hosts, get list names, and who them >all, the addresses would be pretty much valid... oh bugger. >>Today I got my first bit of spam sent to my works e-mail address. I only use >>it to post to 3 sites >>sam users, bob brenchley and "a friend" >Sounds very worrying, I always got the impressions most lists were made up >of usenet postings, Only other thing I can think of would be if you'd >given the address out when submitting some form or something, but since >it's work email, that seems less likely. >Thinking aobut it, you 'rot13' all your details anyway (from memory), so >that seems even less likely. I only rot13 on usenet. I stopped on e-mail cos I got so many complaints from friends who couldn't un rot13 or got replies bounced. >>my employers will not be pleased if I start to get hundreds of junk e-mails. >neither I imagine will you... absolutly not >Oh yes, I'm here to work aren't I.... did you _have_ to remind me nev From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 11 20:01:22 1997 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 14:57:25 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970811145238_-119251847@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Cease And Desist Flaming X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 32 Lines: 4 I doubt that it is real. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 11 20:03:41 1997 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 15:01:14 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970811145715_-85715205@emout03.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Cease And Desist Flaming X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 421 Lines: 17 In a message dated 11/08/97 08:40:26, you write: >I must work out how to post to newsgroups without my proper email address. Just use a proper newsreader and change the address. > >Thinking of which, I have a 1.5meg email folder on one of my old accounts >full of spam, maybe I should use it to start email bombing.... > >....@/ Illegal, immoral and as one guy in the states found last year - very expensive. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 11 21:15:19 1997 Message-Id: <199708112011.VAA25172@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Paul Walker To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 21:11:13 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Cease And Desist Flaming In-reply-to: <970811145238_-119251847@emout16.mail.aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 249 Lines: 9 > I doubt that it is real. It isn't. The site that it came from are trying to find out who it was, as are SamSung themselves. I would guess at a spammer trying to frighten people away from complaining about their activities, personally. Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 11 21:21:27 1997 Message-Id: <199708112018.WAA08997@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: Cease And Desist Flaming Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 22:18:49 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 365 Lines: 16 > Van: BrenchleyR@aol.com > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Onderwerp: Re: Cease And Desist Flaming > Datum: Monday, August 11, 1997 8:57 > > I doubt that it is real. > > > Bob. Sure is, about half of the world recieved that email, just like the video-email last week :) Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] 14 BREAK, CONTINUE to repeat 10:1 From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 11 22:48:44 1997 Subject: Re: Cease And Desist Flaming To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 22:46:38 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <199708112018.WAA08997@mailserv.caiw.nl> from "Robert van der Veeke" at Aug 11, 97 10:18:49 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <19970811214652Z49400-3580+1549@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 372 Lines: 15 > > I doubt that it is real. > > > > > > Bob. > > Sure is, about half of the world recieved that email, just like the > video-email last week :) Well, the spam is real, but Bob's right -- the actual message isn't. It wasn't written by the law firm -- who are now pursuing legal action against their impersonators. Check alt.net.abuse or something like that. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 11 23:55:52 1997 Message-Id: <199708112253.XAA06557@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Paul Walker To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 23:52:48 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: spamming ]]] In-reply-to: <19970811084032Z49249-3580+853@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 337 Lines: 15 > Is it possible that some joker has got hold of the sam users mail list.? Easily, yes, considering that the list is up on a web page - some bulk mailers set spiders to trawling as many pages as they can, to find email addresses. Paul Paul -- You are no longer part of "the system". We are above "the system". Over it. Beyond it. From imc Tue Aug 12 10:48:34 1997 Subject: Re: Cease And Desist Flaming To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 10:48:34 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <970811145715_-85715205@emout03.mail.aol.com> from "BrenchleyR@aol.com" at Aug 11, 97 03:01:14 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 504 Lines: 15 On Mon, 11 Aug 1997 15:01:14 -0400 (EDT), BrenchleyR@aol.com said: > In a message dated 11/08/97 08:40:26, you write: > >I must work out how to post to newsgroups without my proper email address. > Just use a proper newsreader and change the address. Or install a procmail filter and don't bother changing your address. > >Thinking of which, I have a 1.5meg email folder on one of my old accounts > >full of spam, maybe I should use it to start email bombing.... Mine is 3.1 meg, so there... imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 12 11:37:36 1997 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 11:44:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Paveley To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: anti-spam techniques and FRED 79. (was: Re: Cease And Desist Flaming) In-Reply-To: <9708120948.AA14686@gruffle.comlab.ox.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1203 Lines: 29 On Tue, 12 Aug 1997, Ian Collier wrote: On Mon, 11 Aug 1997 15:01:14 -0400 (EDT), BrenchleyR@aol.com said: TP>I must work out how to post to newsgroups without my proper email address. BB>Just use a proper newsreader and change the address. How do you know the one I'm using isn't? I'd say the fact that it lets me read and post to newsgroups makes it a proper newsreader. IC>Or install a procmail filter and don't bother changing your address. Hmm, never thought of using procmail, what do you filter for though? only thing I can think of, off the top of my head would be if I wasn't directly specified in the To: field, although I'd have to trap any mailing lists first. Please tell me if I'm missing something :) IC>> >Thinking of which, I have a 1.5meg email folder on one of my old accounts IC>Mine is 3.1 meg, so there... ooooh, got any swaps, I've some duplicate 'pirate software from hongkong' that I'd be willing to trade... Quickie> has anyone used the texture map 3d thingy that was on fred 79? I keep meaing to have a look, but I'm too impatient when it comes to setting up, and wondered if it was worth waiting for... ....@/ From imc Tue Aug 12 18:11:57 1997 Subject: Re: anti-spam techniques and FRED 79. (was: Re: Cease And Desist Flaming) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 18:11:57 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Tim Paveley" at Aug 12, 97 11:44:02 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1105 Lines: 22 On Tue, 12 Aug 1997 11:44:02 -0400 (EDT), Tim Paveley said: > Hmm, never thought of using procmail, what do you filter for though? only > thing I can think of, off the top of my head would be if I wasn't directly > specified in the To: field, although I'd have to trap any mailing lists > first. > Please tell me if I'm missing something :) I am only just installing procmail now so I haven't tried it. But yes, that's the sort of thing I'm thinking of (discard all BCC mail from .com or .net), plus a few other possibilities. There's a huge great procmail script on the end of the IEMMC FAQ that gets posted to news.admin.net-abuse.email (I think that's the one) which will filter out all addresses from the AGIS netblock (AGIS is an ISP known for providing internet services to spammers). I'd also match on keywords such as "adults only". My idea is to send back a form letter saying "your mail triggered my spam filter so it was junked", just in case a legit mail gets junked. Then I propose to have a password that will get any message past the filter, so the legit mail sender can reply. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 14 17:16:02 1997 Message-Id: <199708131754.SAA27020@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Paul Walker To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 18:53:52 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: anti-spam techniques and FRED 79. (was: Re: Cease And Desist In-reply-to: <9708121711.AA27840@gruffle.comlab.ox.ac.uk> References: from "Tim Paveley" at Aug 12, 97 11:44:02 am X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 424 Lines: 14 > My idea is to send back a form letter saying "your mail triggered my spam > filter so it was junked", just in case a legit mail gets junked. Then I > propose to have a password that will get any message past the filter, so the > legit mail sender can reply. If / when you get it working, would you mind sending me a copy? Paul -- You are no longer part of "the system". We are above "the system". Over it. Beyond it. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 14 17:16:14 1997 From: Gavin Smith Organization: University of Ulster To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 20:11:25 GMT Subject: Hello, IRC and Format X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <15775892D19@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 981 Lines: 24 Hello! To anyone who is interested, I still haven't got my internet account at home (Cable Online still haven't sent out their info pack - problem with the printers or something) but I might be on from home by this weekend. Colin Piggot and I are on IRC at the moment and I will be on for the rest of the night - come on for a chat if you want - #samusers on Undernet (try /server london.uk.eu.undernet.org 7000) Last thing - is it just me or is Format on its last legs? Its become more and more unreliable lately, every now and then the issue gets smaller (this issue was only 28 pages or something pathetic) and now we even have black and white covers! *sobs* Bye bye Format - I give you another 6 months before you die in your current form... Oh well, at least whatever mag takes over as the most popular Sam mag, will hopefully be a bit more encouraging, supportive and helpful to companies such as Quazar, Persona etc that Format traditionally ignore... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 14 17:17:08 1997 Message-Id: <199708140008.BAA29426@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Paul Walker To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 01:07:30 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Hello, IRC and Format In-reply-to: <15775892D19@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 742 Lines: 23 > Colin Piggot and I are on IRC at the moment and I will be on for the > rest of the night - come on for a chat if you want - #samusers on > Undernet (try /server london.uk.eu.undernet.org 7000) You'd gone by the time I got there, y'sods! :) > Last thing - is it just me or is Format on its last legs? Its become Bugger, I knew there was something I meant to do. I forgot to renew! Oops. > we even have black and white covers! *sobs* Bye bye Format - I give > you another 6 months before you die in your current form... Oh well, At least now we know why Bob's cross-posting all those messages in a desperate attempt to get readers. Paul -- You are no longer part of "the system". We are above "the system". Over it. Beyond it. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 14 18:38:17 1997 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: sskardon@argonet.co.uk (Stewart Skardon) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 14 Aug 97 18:21:40 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: An interesting discovery! Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 825 Lines: 31 I was messing about on DejaNews, and thought I'd do a search on Samsboss. I found two very interesting results to my search. They give us a very good idea about the person who claims to be SAMsboss (or should that be the two people?). Anyway, I've placed the two pieces of evidence on to my Web Site at the following URL: http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/samsboss.html Alternatively I can Email them to you if you can't access the Web. Let me know what you think. :-) And I would be interested to hear what the two 'offenders' have to say. Stewart. -- _ (_'tewart email : sskardon@argonet.co.uk ,_)kardon http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/stewart/ Crashed Magazine - The SAM Coupe and ZX Spectrum Magazine. Crashed WWW Site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 14 18:45:57 1997 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 13:43:33 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970814134247_248224092@emout11.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Hello, IRC and Format X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 686 Lines: 21 In a message dated 14/08/97 01:56:38, you write: >> Last thing - is it just me or is Format on its last legs? Its become > >Bugger, I knew there was something I meant to do. I forgot to renew! >Oops. Take 1000 lines... > >> we even have black and white covers! *sobs* Bye bye Format - I give >> you another 6 months before you die in your current form... Oh well, > >At least now we know why Bob's cross-posting all those messages in a >desperate attempt to get readers. > That was for FORMAT PC, a different animal, but it is true that F.PC will in time take some of the burden of overheads away from FORMAT. I don't intend to let FORMAT die for many a long year yet. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 14 18:45:57 1997 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 13:43:48 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970814134246_346666579@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Hello, IRC and Format X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1805 Lines: 55 In a message dated 14/08/97 10:24:25, you write: >Hello! To anyone who is interested, I still haven't got my internet >account at home (Cable Online still haven't sent out their info pack >- problem with the printers or something) but I might be on from home >by this weekend. Hope you have better luck with Cable Online than my son did, three wasted months :( > >Colin Piggot and I are on IRC at the moment and I will be on for the >rest of the night - come on for a chat if you want - #samusers on >Undernet (try /server london.uk.eu.undernet.org 7000) > >Last thing - is it just me or is Format on its last legs? No. > Its become >more and more unreliable lately, every now and then the issue gets >smaller (this issue was only 28 pages or something pathetic) We have had a lot of problems of late, mostly due to the printers (the old company we used is no more). And 28 pages is not exacly pathetic when you allow for the amount we cram in. You must also allow for the falling advertsing revenue. >and now >we even have black and white covers! *sobs* Bye bye Format That was a mistake by the new printers, we gave them two jobs - Format and a manual - they printed both in B&W. > - I give >you another 6 months before you die in your current form... Try another 10 years at least :) >Oh well, >at least whatever mag takes over as the most popular Sam mag, will >hopefully be a bit more encouraging, supportive and helpful to >companies such as Quazar, Persona etc that Format traditionally >ignore... Cough! We have never ignored Quazar, Collin has had several mentiones in past issues. Persona are different and I have made my side clear in the past. It may interest you to know that Persona do have an advert in the new issue of Format (at the printers). HTH. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 15 09:21:30 1997 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 04:16:13 EDT From: "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: An interesting discovery] Message-Id: <19970815081627Z49180-22708+1359@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2241 Lines: 77 Date: 1997-08-15 09:14 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ as the bowl of petunias said "Oh no] not again". :) ---------- From: I7207445 To: NYOUNG1 Subject: An interesting discovery] Date: Thursday, August 14, 1997 6:45PM MSG:FROM: I7207445--IBMMAIL TO: NYOUNG1 --RLLAN1 14/08/97 18:36:16 From: sskardon@argonet.co.uk (Stewart Skardon) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 14 Aug 97 18:21:40 Subject: An interesting discovery] I was messing about on DejaNews, and thought I'd do a search on Samsboss. I found two very interesting results to my search. They give us a very good idea about the person who claims to be SAMsboss (or should that be the two people?). Anyway, I've placed the two pieces of evidence on to my Web Site at the following URL: http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/samsboss.html Alternatively I can Email them to you if you can't access the Web. Let me know what you think. :-) And I would be interested to hear what the two 'offenders' have to say. Stewart. -- _ (_'tewart email : sskardon@argonet.co.uk ,_)kardon http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/stewart/ Crashed Magazine - The SAM Coupe and ZX Spectrum Magazine. Crashed WWW Site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon ---- End of mail text Additional SMTP headers from original mail item follow: Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no by ibmmail.COM (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Thu, 14 Aug 97 13:37:40 EDT Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49522-22708>; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 19:37:01 +0200 Received: from fm3.facility.pipex.com (Y194.131.104.13? HELO fm3.facility.pipex .com ident: NO-IDENT-SERVICE Yport 18602?) by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49519-22708>; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 19:36:45 +0200 Received: from 193.130.251.61 Y193.130.251.61? by fm3.facility.pipex.com with smtp (Exim 1.59 #22) id 0wz2uw-0001Sa-00; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 17:38:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 15 18:41:31 1997 Message-Id: <199708151738.SAA01618@mail.enterprise.net> From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-FTN-To: Stewart Skardon Subject: An interesting discovery! Date: 15 Aug 1997 18:36:31 Organization: Heart of Lothian References: X-newsreader: Spot 1.3 #1234 X-mailer: NetGate 1.3 (Amiga; TCP/IP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 847 Lines: 29 In a message of 14 Aug 97 Stewart Skardon wrote to sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no: Hi Stewart, SS> I was messing about on DejaNews, and thought I'd do a search on SS> Samsboss. SS> I found two very interesting results to my search. SS> They give us a very good idea about the person who claims to be SS> SAMsboss (or should that be the two people?). :) I'm certainly not SAMSBOSS, never have been and never will be. I do believe he exists though, and he lives not too far away from me. His enterprise email address keeps bouncing the last email I tried to send him - so he may have disappeared again .. and he'll probably pop up using another account. Anyway Stewart - I thought you knew me better than that. :) Deja has obviously got it wrong in this case - please take my name off, or I'll send the boys round . Byeeee Dave Whitmore From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 15 19:08:32 1997 Message-Id: <199708151806.TAA06108@mail.enterprise.net> From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-FTN-To: Stewart Skardon Subject: An interesting discovery! Hmmmmmmm :/ Date: 15 Aug 1997 19:00:46 Organization: Dalmation enterprises References: 2:99/999.1 33f4f606 X-newsreader: Spot 1.3 #1234 X-mailer: NetGate 1.3 (Amiga; TCP/IP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1709 Lines: 40 In a message of 15 Aug 97 I wrote to Stewart Skardon: SS>> I found two very interesting results to my search. DW> :) I'm certainly not SAMSBOSS, never have been and never will be. I wrote that last message while I was online, and I was still quite amused at the prospect that people might think I'm Samsboss. I can assure everyone that I'm not. It's set me wondering though - suppose Deja wasn't altogether wrong and someone has hacked my account? I know that it's possible for anyone with my password and username to get into enty, a mate of mine lets his brother use his account for the web and newsgroups. Jesus, people could be telnetting into the mail server and reading all my mail! :/ Does anyone know how easy it is to hack accounts - and if they think that's what's happened? I've changed my password on the mail server now. Just how secure are these things? Is it possible to bypass the loggin and use someones account? Dejas profile was correct about the newsgroups. Those are the ones /I've/ posted in - but I've never used the name Samsboss. In fact, I find it impossible to post a message if I change my user name at this end. I did recently swap a bit of email with Samsboss - about his hostility towards someone on the list, but my last reply refused to send - entys mailserver just wouldn't accept it - although the previous one went with no fuss. I bet someone's having a good laugh about this. :) Bye, _ -------------------------------------- |_)ave | Dalmation - Saturdays 12 till 10 pm | (/\)hitmore | homepages.enterprise.net.dalm.html | | UK 01744 614150 | -------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 15 20:07:43 1997 Message-Id: <199708151903.UAA17345@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Paul Walker To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 20:02:23 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: An interesting discovery! In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 272 Lines: 12 > I was messing about on DejaNews, and thought I'd do a search on Samsboss. > I found two very interesting results to my search. You really think Dave Whitmore is samsboss? Paul -- You are no longer part of "the system". We are above "the system". Over it. Beyond it. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 15 20:07:43 1997 Message-Id: <199708151904.UAA17802@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Samsboss To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 20:03:45 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: A discovery X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 139 Lines: 10 Dave, I don't think you have to worry. ;) Paul -- You are no longer part of "the system". We are above "the system". Over it. Beyond it. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 15 22:16:56 1997 Message-Id: <199708152112.WAA01257@mail.enterprise.net> From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-FTN-To: Samsboss Subject: A discovery Date: 15 Aug 1997 22:11:02 Organization: Dalmation enterprises References: <199708151904.UAA17802@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> X-newsreader: Spot 1.3 #1234 X-mailer: NetGate 1.3 (Amiga; TCP/IP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 522 Lines: 25 In a message of 15 Aug 97 Samsboss wrote to sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no: Hi Samsboss, I mean Paul. :) S> Dave, S> I don't think you have to worry. ;) It's not so much a worry as a weird end to a very weird day. And where is Samsboss? :) Bye, _ -------------------------------------- |_)ave | Dalmation - Saturdays 12 till 10 pm | (/\)hitmore | homepages.enterprise.net.dalm.html | | UK 01744 614150 | -------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 15 22:39:05 1997 From: SamsBoss - The One And Only To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: An interesting discovery! Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 21:33:20 GMT Organization: Sam Users Forever Message-ID: <33f4c872.9593617@mail.ndirect.co.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 677 Lines: 25 Stewart Skardon wrote: > > I was messing about on DejaNews, and thought I'd do a search on Samsboss. > > I found two very interesting results to my search. > > They give us a very good idea about the person who claims to be SAMsboss (or > should that be the two people?). > > Anyway, I've placed the two pieces of evidence on to my Web Site at the > following URL: > > http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/samsboss.html > > Alternatively I can Email them to you if you can't access the Web. > > Let me know what you think. :-) > I think you are way off the mark. > > And I would be interested to hear what the two 'offenders' have to say. > So would I :) Samsboss From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 16 16:49:12 1997 From: Gavin Smith Organization: University of Ulster To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 17:03:20 GMT Subject: Re: Hello, IRC and Format X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <19C549A56AB@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2045 Lines: 52 > >Hello! To anyone who is interested, I still haven't got my internet > >account at home (Cable Online still haven't sent out their info pack > >- problem with the printers or something) but I might be on from home > >by this weekend. > > Hope you have better luck with Cable Online than my son did, three wasted > months :( I phoned them again today and this time they told me they had run out of software. Don't they want my money? > >and now > >we even have black and white covers! *sobs* Bye bye Format > > That was a mistake by the new printers, we gave them two jobs - Format and a > manual - they printed both in B&W. Ah I see. > > - I give > >you another 6 months before you die in your current form... > > Try another 10 years at least :) I hope so... > >Oh well, > >at least whatever mag takes over as the most popular Sam mag, will > >hopefully be a bit more encouraging, supportive and helpful to > >companies such as Quazar, Persona etc that Format traditionally > >ignore... > > Cough! > > We have never ignored Quazar, Collin has had several mentiones in past > issues. Persona are different and I have made my side clear in the past. It > may interest you to know that Persona do have an advert in the new issue of > Format (at the printers). Yeah, so I hear, its about time they got a bit of coverage, they have some good stuff for sale. And yes, I know Colin has had several mentions in Format, but he has so much stuff coming out, surely all of it is news worthy. You know, you could fill about 4 pages a month in Format with news from all the companies, and I'm not just talking about items in the planning stage, I'm talking about fully blown software. I would expect the news pages of the best selling Sam mag, to be crammed full of news about new Sam stuff - I thought you would be milking news items for all you were worth - hell, it might even sell an extra Sam or two a month. If we all help and support each other, our little blue footed friend will live a lot longer... Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 16 17:33:33 1997 From: Gavin Smith Organization: University of Ulster To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 17:47:31 GMT Subject: IRC (again) X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <19D111153F5@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 338 Lines: 7 #SamUsers on Undernet has now been registered, so within 3 weeks a bot will appear on the channel to keep it open and other such stuff. I'll be on IRC until about 10.30pm tonight if anyone fancies a chat - we got our highest amount of users last time (5!) so let's see if we can beat that tonight :) Gavin (SparkY or SparkYY on IRC) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 16 20:44:28 1997 Message-Id: <199708161942.UAA27957@mail.enterprise.net> From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-FTN-To: all Subject: irc Date: 16 Aug 1997 20:41:09 Organization: Dalmation enterprises X-newsreader: Spot 1.3 #1234 X-mailer: NetGate 1.3 (Amiga; TCP/IP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 330 Lines: 10 We're on #SAMUSERS now - if anyone wants to call? Bye _ -------------------------------------- |_)ave | Dalmation - Saturdays 12 till 10 pm | (/\)hitmore | homepages.enterprise.net.dalm.html | | UK 01744 614150 | -------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 17 22:44:00 1997 Message-Id: <199708172139.WAA17088@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Paul Walker To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 22:37:59 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: A discovery In-reply-to: <199708152112.WAA01257@mail.enterprise.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 329 Lines: 19 > Hi Samsboss, > I mean Paul. :) Not too obvious, then? ;) > It's not so much a worry as a weird end to a very weird day. Hmm. Sounds ... weird? > And where is Samsboss? Popped up again now that people are talking about him... Paul -- You are no longer part of "the system". We are above "the system". Over it. Beyond it. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 18 12:21:29 1997 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 13:14:00 +0200 (METDST) From: Allan Skillman X-Sender: allan@hpopl1.cern.ch To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: ANNOUNCE : SimCoupe v0.7 released Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 865 Lines: 18 Hello All, SimCoupe v0.7 for UNIX and DOS machines is now available from the URL listed below. The DOS version is available in both binary and source forms (for DJGPP v2). Allan +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Now available! SimCoupe, the one and only SAM Coupe emulator | | ******* http://www.hep.ucl.ac.uk/~ajs/simcoupe ******* | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ | Allan Skillman | "There are five flavours of resons, the | | HEPP Group | elementary particles of magic : up, down, | | University College London | sideways, sex-appeal and peppermint." | | Email : ajs@hep.ucl.ac.uk | - Terry Pratchett (Lords and Ladies) | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 18 18:19:28 1997 Message-Id: <199708181714.SAA04201@mail.enterprise.net> From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-FTN-To: samsboss Subject: POP3 Date: 18 Aug 1997 14:17:35 Organization: Dalmation enterprises X-newsreader: Spot 1.3 #1234 X-mailer: NetGate 1.3 (Amiga; TCP/IP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 596 Lines: 21 Samsboss, You could telnet into mail.enterprise.net and DELE everything to get rid of those mails you were telling me about. BTW - does anyone know if there's a POP3 wildcard command to delete everything at once? A list of all the POP3 protocol commands would be helpful if anyone could tell me where to look. Bye, _ -------------------------------------- |_)ave | Dalmation - Saturdays 12 till 10 pm | (/\)hitmore | homepages.enterprise.net.dalm.html | | UK 01744 614150 | -------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 20 07:09:26 1997 Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 08:04:57 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9708200604.AA04448@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.org Subject: FTP statistics for 19/08-97 X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.org Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 404 Lines: 19 Downloads: amiga 3 bbc 426 cezton 15 cpc 5970 gfx 1 hardware 5 irc 9 irma-1000 2 linux 381 msdos 7 pacman 5 sam-coupe 420 <---- sinclair 19931 windows 1 I do beleive this is an all time high! :) -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 20 09:05:53 1997 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <802564F9.002AED00.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 09:06:35 +0100 Subject: I'm Back. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1093 Lines: 30 Hi people. Missed me? Well, in case you hadn't noticed, I'm back with a stable email address. I don't really know what the company policy is about mailing lists, but if they don't like it, I'm sure they will tell me. Now I can be an active member again (rather than an observer of the last few weeks). Unfortunately, my Sam is in Leicester still whilst I'm settling into Watford. I have an idea of a new project, but since the last couple I told you about never saw the light of day (due to final year time problems), I won't say much about this one except it is going to be an application platform that will be the basis of that MIDI toolkit that I talked about eons ago. It is going to be what I want in a platform: Simple, (hopefully) efficient and do things that I want in an application platform. (Sort of like DOS and CP/M without a command prompt). Anyway, it'll probably turn out like another one of my vapourwares :( so I wouldn't hold your breath. (I don't have a clue on how this text will look like on your email programs... Here's hoping you have word wrap!) Justin.... From imc Wed Aug 20 09:58:43 1997 Subject: Re: FTP statistics for 19/08-97 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 09:58:43 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <9708200604.AA04448@asmal.edh-net> from "Frode Tenneboe" at Aug 20, 97 08:04:57 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 232 Lines: 16 On Wed, 20 Aug 1997 08:04:57 +0200, Frode Tenneboe said: > Downloads: > bbc 426 > sam-coupe 420 <---- Close... > sinclair 19931 Predictable enough. > windows 1 Tee hee. :-) imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 22 09:32:34 1997 From: Gavin Smith Organization: University of Ulster To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 09:39:42 GMT Subject: Z80 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <224F220505A@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 138 Lines: 4 Quick question - what's the latest version of Z80? (I have version 3.03 I think). I'm off to do a Systems Analysis resit exam...*grins* From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 23 15:51:47 1997 Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 15:48:58 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199708231448.PAA03503@hermes.clara.net> From: David Ledbury-Persona To: SAM Users Mailing List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: Graphic E-mail for Windows (v.1.1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 251 Lines: 11 Hello everyone? Is there anyone listening (who isn't hiding behind a silly alias?!) David BTW How's that interface going Andrew? > This is Graphic E-mail . Graphic E is free. > Visit http://www.clever.net/ge/ to obtain freeware kit. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 23 17:43:23 1997 Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 12:40:18 -0400 (EDT) From: BillRitman@aol.com Message-ID: <970823124017_-301567080@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: No Subject X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 237 Lines: 12 In a message dated 23/08/97 14:50:04, you write: >Hello everyone? > >Is there anyone listening (who isn't hiding behind a silly alias?!) > >David Well I've been off for weeks with a sick machine - don't know where the rest are. Bill From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 23 22:25:28 1997 Message-Id: <199708232121.WAA00851@mail.enterprise.net> From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-FTN-To: BillRitman@aol.com Subject: No Subject Date: 23 Aug 1997 21:17:49 Organization: Dalmation enterprises References: <970823124017_-301567080@emout08.mail.aol.com> X-newsreader: Spot 1.3 #1234 X-mailer: NetGate 1.3 (Amiga; TCP/IP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 707 Lines: 26 >> Hello everyone? >> Is there anyone listening (who isn't hiding behind a silly alias?!) >> David Bac> Well I've been off for weeks with a sick machine - don't know where Bac> the rest are. Everythings very quiet - the BBS is at an all time low. :( However... I can see lots of new interest in SAM being generated with Allan's emulators. People might even want to buy real ones when they see how good SAM is. :) Bye, _ -------------------------------------- |_)ave | Dalmation - Saturdays 12 till 10 pm | (/\)hitmore | | | UK 01744 614150 | -------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 24 09:08:08 1997 Message-ID: <33FFEA84.45B@ndirect.co.uk> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 09:02:12 +0100 From: Nev Young Organization: ndirect X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: References: <199708231448.PAA03503@hermes.clara.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 683 Lines: 19 David Ledbury-Persona wrote: > > Hello everyone? > > Is there anyone listening (who isn't hiding behind a silly alias?!) Are you suggesting that some people here have silly arses? Nev - just silly. -- ---------------------------------------------------- | | |This site is developing self awareness | |(Oh no I'm not. cognito ergo P120-SX) | |--------------------------------------------------| |Home nevilley@ndirect.co.uk | |Work gbh3rknr@ibmmail.com | |http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~nevilley/homepage.htm | ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 24 14:36:03 1997 Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 14:32:38 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199708241332.OAA12100@hermes.clara.net> From: "David Ledbury-." To: SAM Users Mailing List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: Graphic E-mail for Windows (v.1.1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 286 Lines: 10 Okay - here's a question for anyone who may be listening..... How can I get a Cannon BJC colour printer to do colour dumps on SAM Paint or via any other software? > This is Graphic E-mail . Graphic E is free. > Visit http://www.clever.net/ge/ to obtain freeware kit. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 24 15:46:01 1997 Message-Id: <199708241442.QAA27277@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 16:43:20 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 859 Lines: 25 > Van: David Ledbury-. > Aan: SAM Users Mailing List > Onderwerp: > Datum: Sunday, August 24, 1997 3:32 > > > Okay - here's a question for anyone who may be listening..... > > > How can I get a Cannon BJC colour printer to do colour dumps on SAM Paint or via > any other software? > I have a Cannon BJC70, but apart from the primary colors (works nice for spectrum screen$) nothing, usually convert the stuff from Sam to PC and print it from there. Never tried Flash on it, there's is LC200 proggie around somewhere maybe that works :) BTW: on the subject of SamPaint, is there going to be another version? It would be nice than when it supports MSDos disks and formats like BMP, PCX ect., just a thought :) Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] 14 BREAK, CONTINUE to repeat 10:1 From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 26 11:56:30 1997 Message-Id: From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale) Subject: Re: your mail To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 11:40:33 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <199708231448.PAA03503@hermes.clara.net> from "David Ledbury-Persona" at Aug 23, 97 03:48:58 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 324 Lines: 13 > BTW How's that interface going Andrew? > I've finished the interface to make a pc mouse act as a sam mouse, but it's a bit pricey so I'm seeing how to trim the costs. I've had a pc-keyboard interface working for quite a while now, but I'm having problems getting a pcb done. Hopefully won't be much longer now. Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 26 11:56:31 1997 Message-Id: From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale) Subject: Re: To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 11:43:38 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <199708241442.QAA27277@mailserv.caiw.nl> from "Robert van der Veeke" at Aug 24, 97 04:43:20 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 443 Lines: 13 > BTW: on the subject of SamPaint, is there going to be another version? It > would be nice than when it supports MSDos disks and formats like BMP, PCX > ect., just a thought :) > I can't really imagine Graham wanting to do much more work on it - it took him absolutely ages to do in the first place! Last time I spoke to him it sounded like he hadn't done any sam stuff for a while 'cos his keyboard had been broken for over a year! Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 26 12:16:56 1997 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 07:11:38 EDT From: "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: your mail Message-Id: <19970826111206Z49479-20395+1525@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 622 Lines: 21 Date: 1997-08-26 12:12 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale) >Subject: Re: your mail >To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no >Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 11:40:33 +0100 (BST) >I've finished the interface to make a pc mouse act as a sam >mouse, but it's a bit pricey so I'm seeing how to trim the >costs. >I've had a pc-keyboard interface working for quite a while now, >but I'm having problems getting a pcb done. Hopefully won't be >much longer now. What sort of problens ? Anything I can help with -> pcb design, manufacture, etc. nev From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 26 18:39:07 1997 X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L NL @ C&L INT @ C&L INT EXTERNAL @ WORLDCOM @INTERLIANT @ WORLDCOM @ OUTBOUND From: Stefan Drissen To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Message-ID: <862564FF.0061154D.00@internet-503.interliant.com> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 10:44:02 +0200 Subject: Format SAMdisk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1507 Lines: 37 Having a wonderful time with the Simcoupe - it works beautifully under Win95. My only problem is that my discdrive doesn't like Samdisk so I can't make any disc images to use. So, does anyone know (I'm sure Allan does) what the format of Samdisk images is? Has anyone already got a Sam Coupe program that creates Samdisk images on the trusty old Sam? This disc drive thing is still wierd. Aley sent me a similar program to Samdisk and it worked perfectly on my drive... He's also got an up and running Sam emulator which also emulates the SAA 1099 - I've still got to get a copy of it. -- **************************************** This document should only be read by those persons to whom it is addressed and is not intended to be relied upon by any person without subsequent written confirmation of its contents. Accordingly, Coopers & Lybrand disclaim all responsibility and accept no liability (including in negligence) for the consequences for any person acting, or refraining from acting, on such information prior to the receipt by those persons of subsequent written confirmation. If you have received this E-mail message in error, please notify us immediately by telephone. Please also destroy and delete the message from your computer. Any form of reproduction, dissemination, copying, disclosure, modification, distribution and/or publication of this E-mail message is strictly prohibited. **************************************** From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 26 18:39:07 1997 X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L NL @ C&L INT @ C&L INT EXTERNAL @ WORLDCOM @INTERLIANT @ WORLDCOM @ OUTBOUND From: Stefan Drissen To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Message-ID: <862564FF.00611922.00@internet-503.interliant.com> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 11:38:55 +0200 Subject: Kaboom Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 949 Lines: 26 Has anyone got ANY news on Kaboom? -- **************************************** This document should only be read by those persons to whom it is addressed and is not intended to be relied upon by any person without subsequent written confirmation of its contents. 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Any form of reproduction, dissemination, copying, disclosure, modification, distribution and/or publication of this E-mail message is strictly prohibited. **************************************** From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 26 22:38:22 1997 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 17:28:36 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970826172705_212141962@emout02.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 379 Lines: 15 In a message dated 26/08/97 10:51:19, you write: >I can't really imagine Graham wanting to do much more work on it - >it took him absolutely ages to do in the first place! Last time >I >spoke to him it sounded like he hadn't done any sam stuff for >a while 'cos his keyboard had been broken for over a year! > >Andy > > If that is his only excuse I could send him one. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 26 22:38:23 1997 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 17:30:41 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970826172811_622875019@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Kaboom X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 135 Lines: 8 In a message dated 26/08/97 17:32:59, you write: > >Has anyone got ANY news on Kaboom? No. But Colin is back from the States. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 26 22:38:23 1997 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 17:34:28 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970826172811_622875019@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Kaboom X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 135 Lines: 8 In a message dated 26/08/97 17:32:59, you write: > >Has anyone got ANY news on Kaboom? No. But Colin is back from the States. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 27 00:05:29 1997 Message-Id: <199708262257.XAA14767@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Paul Walker To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 23:57:21 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Format SAMdisk In-reply-to: <862564FF.0061154D.00@internet-503.interliant.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 524 Lines: 14 > Having a wonderful time with the Simcoupe - it works beautifully under > Win95. My only problem is that my discdrive doesn't like Samdisk so I There's something about this system that simcoupe really doesn't like ... it refuses to recognise the VESA drivers unless I boot into DOS; half the mouse functions don't work; at random times, it appears to think the z key is stuck down, and fills the screen with it... Paul -- You are no longer part of "the system". We are above "the system". Over it. Beyond it. From imc Wed Aug 27 09:56:45 1997 Subject: Re: Kaboom To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 09:56:45 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <970826172811_622875019@emout04.mail.aol.com> from "BrenchleyR@aol.com" at Aug 26, 97 05:34:28 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 138 Lines: 6 On Tue, 26 Aug 1997 17:34:28 -0400 (EDT), BrenchleyR@aol.com said: > No. But Colin is back from the States. Did he go there twice? imc From imc Wed Aug 27 10:24:48 1997 Subject: Re: Format SAMdisk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 10:24:48 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <862564FF.0061154D.00@internet-503.interliant.com> from "Stefan Drissen" at Aug 26, 97 10:44:02 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 604 Lines: 12 On Tue, 26 Aug 1997 10:44:02 +0200, Stefan Drissen said: > Having a wonderful time with the Simcoupe - it works beautifully under > Win95. My only problem is that my discdrive doesn't like Samdisk so I > can't make any disc images to use. So, does anyone know (I'm sure Allan > does) what the format of Samdisk images is? Has anyone already got a Sam > Coupe program that creates Samdisk images on the trusty old Sam? SimCoupe uses direct images of the disk with nothing extra added. The cylinders are read in order (that is, side 0 track 0 then s1t0, s0t1, s1t1 and so on up to s0t79 s1t79). imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 28 14:40:27 1997 Message-ID: <0926EC6F2D07D111BD6500E02906A825011ABE@MAIN_SERVER> From: Wayne To: "'sam-users@nvg.unit.no'" Subject: RE: Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 13:34:25 +0100 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 840 Lines: 20 > > BTW: on the subject of SamPaint, is there going to be another > version? It > > would be nice than when it supports MSDos disks and formats like > BMP, PCX > > ect., just a thought :) > > > Probably not, but I already have a mini art package that will convert any sized BMP, PCX, IFF(ILBM) to SAM. It needs a few more finishing off bits and pieces before its completely usable (although it isn`t a SAMPaint beater, not enough time). It`ll be free but at the moment KABOOM is my priority. The converter also supports ANY bit depth screen (although if more than 16 colours it converts the screen to 16 colour greyscale). And if the screen is bigger than SAMs display you scroll around it and select what you want to save. It also converts A standard SAM screen to BMP, PCX, IFF etc. Just thought I`d let you know... Wayne Coles From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 28 15:08:50 1997 Message-ID: <0926EC6F2D07D111BD6500E02906A825011ABD@MAIN_SERVER> From: Wayne To: "'sam-users@nvg.unit.no'" Subject: RE: Kaboom Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 13:27:48 +0100 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1052 Lines: 25 > Stefan Drissen asked.... > Has anyone got ANY news on Kaboom? > Well, I suppose you could always ask the programmer.... Hey! I`m the programmer! What a spot of luck! Kaboom! is finished and will be winging its way across the globe soon. I actually am the one to blame, so don`t all start moaning at Fred publishing (or Colin Macdonald). Reasons for you still not recieving ordered copies? I have actually been incredibly busy at work for the past few months. We`ve been creating a demo for a well known console/arcade company (we were trying to get a contract for its next console), which, I can say, looks like we`ve got (when the Dev kits decide to turn up). Now our hard work has paid off. I get a few evenings rest, which means I can write out the disks and post them off. Just in case anyone wants to moan at me, I`ll accept e-mail, although please refrain from swearing :-) I haven`t been able to check my e-mail for a long time as our server at work keeps dying. Hopefully i`ll be able to recieve mail now.... Wayne Coles From imc Thu Aug 28 16:58:55 1997 Subject: Re: anti-spam techniques and FRED 79. (was: Re: Cease And Desist To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 16:58:55 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <199708131754.SAA27020@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> from "Paul Walker" at Aug 13, 97 06:53:52 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 458 Lines: 11 My masterpiece procmail filter is now in action. This is a test, really, as I'd prefer the first test to be some mail from me. :-) On Wed, 13 Aug 1997 18:53:52 +0000, Paul Walker said: > If / when you get it working, would you mind sending me a copy? If it doesn't turn out to be a disaster, you will be hearing from me shortly. :-) In offline tests it rejected 93% of spams and only 0.4% of genuine non-list mail (it didn't reject any list mail). imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 28 23:24:17 1997 Subject: Re: To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 23:20:23 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <970826172705_212141962@emout02.mail.aol.com> from "BrenchleyR@aol.com" at Aug 26, 97 05:28:36 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <19970828222047Z49313-20986+1135@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 269 Lines: 13 > >spoke to him it sounded like he hadn't done any sam stuff for > >a while 'cos his keyboard had been broken for over a year! > >Andy > > If that is his only excuse I could send him one. > > Bob. What, like, "It got destroyed in an avalanche" or something? ;) Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 29 08:54:38 1997 Message-Id: From: ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew M Gale) Subject: Re: your mail To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 08:49:41 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <19970826111206Z49479-20395+1525@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> from "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" at Aug 26, 97 07:11:38 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 446 Lines: 16 > What sort of problens ? > Anything I can help with -> pcb design, manufacture, etc. > Thanks for the offer.... The main problem is the manufacture - I've been trying a photocopy tone transfer method which is a pain in the arse. The main problem is trying to do pcbs in a student room! I'm going home for a few weeks before I start my PhD so I'll have another try then, and if it don't go then I may take up your offer of help! Thanks, Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 29 18:12:48 1997 Date: Fri, 29 Aug 97 16:54:48 GMT Message-ID: <297_OASIS_@lhutz.demon.co.uk> From: James@lhutz.demon.co.uk (James R Curry) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-Mailer: OASIS Post Box (Atari) v1.31E Subject: Welcome! X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 385 Lines: 11 Hey! I'd just like to welcome Graham Goring back to this list. He's now got a PC at home. He just got a bank loan and spent over 1,600 pounds to play games and send email. Because he's rather stupid and should seriously be considering a lobotomy. Oh, hello Graham, didn't notice you reading, there. ;) __ James R Curry - James@lhutz.demon.co.uk Whoa! I'm back. Cool. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 29 22:48:51 1997 Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 17:44:36 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970829174209_939945062@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Kaboom X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 150 Lines: 11 In a message dated 27/08/97 19:20:45, you write: >> No. But Colin is back from the States. > >Did he go there twice? > >imc Yep - lucky bum. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 30 02:59:00 1997 From: Graham To: sam Subject: Back from the Abyss... Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 02:54:25 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <872906152.0914074.0@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 363 Lines: 13 Hello, me old muckers. I'm at last on the net thanks to a very understanding (and gullible) Bank. Did you all miss me? (Cue Bob Brenchley donning his SAMboss mask and making a "wry and witty" comment :) ) Graham Goring PS. Is it just me or has FRED been, um, lacking somewhat of late? "It's a Fishmobabywhirlamajig! It'll be bigger than the Badger Blaster!" From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 30 16:25:51 1997 Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 11:18:42 -0400 (EDT) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <970830111840_-535017162@emout03.mail.aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Back from the Abyss... X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 572 Lines: 29 In a message dated 30/08/97 14:05:02, you write: >Hello, me old muckers. I'm at last on the net thanks to a very >understanding (and gullible) Bank. Come on then, tell us which one. > >Did you all miss me? Had you been gone? >(Cue Bob Brenchley donning his SAMboss mask and making a "wry and witty" >comment :) ) Oh bloody hell, you don't really believe that do you? > >Graham Goring > >PS. Is it just me or has FRED been, um, lacking somewhat of late? Lacking what? > >"It's a Fishmobabywhirlamajig! > It'll be bigger than the Badger Blaster!" Pardon????? Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 30 16:25:51 1997 From: Gavin Smith Organization: University of Ulster To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 16:40:11 GMT Subject: Re: Back from the Abyss... X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <2EBF8AE459F@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 229 Lines: 10 > >PS. Is it just me or has FRED been, um, lacking somewhat of late? > > Lacking what? Lacking in that it seems ages since the last issue - likewise for Format actually (or is it just my copy lost in the post) > Bob. Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 30 16:47:15 1997 From: Gavin Smith Organization: University of Ulster To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 17:02:52 GMT Subject: #samusers X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <2EC598D44C7@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 396 Lines: 9 Just a little message to anyone who fancies a chat on IRC tonight - David Ledbury is usually there and Colin Piggot pops along now and then, I'll be there and we usually get one or two others, so please join us this evening on Undernet, #samusers. Gavin P.S. If anyone needs any help with IRC, just send me a mail and I'll send you the software, and help you with any problems or whatever. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 30 21:28:58 1997 Message-ID: <340880B8.2662@ndirect.co.uk> Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 21:21:13 +0100 From: Nev Young Organization: ndirect X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: #samusers References: <2EC598D44C7@smserver1.ulst.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 607 Lines: 16 Gavin Smith wrote: > > Just a little message to anyone who fancies a chat on IRC tonight - has any one got ICQ. or Freetel -- ---------------------------------------------------- | | |This site is developing self awareness | |(Oh no I'm not. cognito ergo P120-SX) | |--------------------------------------------------| |Home nevilley@ndirect.co.uk | |Work gbh3rknr@ibmmail.com | |http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~nevilley/homepage.htm | ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 30 21:53:16 1997 Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 21:49:18 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199708302049.VAA15555@hermes.clara.net> From: "David Ledbury-." To: SAM Users Mailing List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: Graphic E-mail for Windows (v.1.1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 154 Lines: 5 Well Gavin & I where on the IRC - and I still am with Robert ... but If anyone else wants to join, please be quick as I'm getting to sleep soon! David From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 30 22:34:31 1997 Date: Sat, 30 Aug 97 16:55:42 GMT Message-ID: <303_OASIS_@lhutz.demon.co.uk> From: James@lhutz.demon.co.uk (James R Curry) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Mailer: OASIS Post Box (Atari) v1.31E Subject: Re: Back from the Abyss... X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 222 Lines: 15 >>"It's a Fishmobabywhirlamajig! >> It'll be bigger than the Badger Blaster!" > >Pardon????? > What? Doesn't anyone here watch "The Critic"? :) __ James R Curry - James@lhutz.demon.co.uk Whoa! I'm back. Cool. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 31 09:30:08 1997 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 09:12:47 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: Back from the Abyss... In-Reply-To: <970830111840_-535017162@emout03.mail.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1293 Lines: 55 In message <970830111840_-535017162@emout03.mail.aol.com>, BrenchleyR@aol.com writes >In a message dated 30/08/97 14:05:02, you write: > >>Hello, me old muckers. I'm at last on the net thanks to a very >>understanding (and gullible) Bank. > >Come on then, tell us which one. LLoyds Stratford branch. It's a two-way deal though. I had to get pally with them first, y'know buy their Health Insurance and all that. I get the feeling it'll be about as effective as the royal air-bags (could I be the first one?). >> >>Did you all miss me? > >Had you been gone? Yes, I was Michael Palin's "in-rucksack" love-toy for his recent around the Pacific Rim travels. Wasn't the only rim he got around ;)... > >>(Cue Bob Brenchley donning his SAMboss mask and making a "wry and witty" >>comment :) ) > >Oh bloody hell, you don't really believe that do you? I, along with 99% of this groups readership... >> >>Graham Goring >> >>PS. Is it just me or has FRED been, um, lacking somewhat of late? > >Lacking what? Substance, goodness, the ability to make me want to boot it more than once. Should all change soon... For ANONIMITY SMITH IS BACK!!! >> >>"It's a Fishmobabywhirlamajig! >> It'll be bigger than the Badger Blaster!" > >Pardon????? Sorry? Did you fart? >Bob. > Graham -- Graham Goring From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 31 20:33:40 1997 Message-ID: <3409C66A.49C8@ndirect.co.uk> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 20:30:51 +0100 From: Nev Young Organization: ndirect X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Back from the Abyss... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 813 Lines: 24 Graham Goring wrote: > > > >>(Cue Bob Brenchley donning his SAMboss mask and making a "wry and witty" > >>comment :) ) > > > >Oh bloody hell, you don't really believe that do you? > > I, along with 99% of this groups readership... > But I thought there were only about 50 on this group. Who's the one with only half a mind ? :) -- ---------------------------------------------------- | | |This site is developing self awareness | |(Oh no I'm not. cognito ergo P120-SX) | |--------------------------------------------------| |Home nevilley@ndirect.co.uk | |Work gbh3rknr@ibmmail.com | |http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~nevilley/homepage.htm | ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 31 22:33:22 1997 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 21:52:00 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Is there anybody there...? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 203 Lines: 9 Three possiblilities... (1) - I've been cut off the mailer for my sick comment. (2) - I'm persona non grata and everyones too upset to talk. (3) - It's been a quiet day. Which is it? -- Graham Goring From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Sep 1 00:13:55 1997 Date: Sun, 31 Aug 97 21:55:40 GMT Message-ID: <321_OASIS_@lhutz.demon.co.uk> From: James@lhutz.demon.co.uk (James R Curry) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Mailer: OASIS Post Box (Atari) v1.31E Subject: Re: Is there anybody there...? X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 543 Lines: 28 In E-Mail Graham Goring wrote:- >Three possiblilities... > >(1) - I've been cut off the mailer for my sick comment. >(2) - I'm persona non grata and everyones too upset to talk. >(3) - It's been a quiet day. > >Which is it? I count this as the third message I've read today. So that would be (3) then, I guess. Did you get the mail I sent to you, Graham? >-- >Graham Goring > __ James R Curry - James@lhutz.demon.co.uk