From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Dec 1 15:36:57 1997 From: The Mad Goose Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 14:44:07 GMT+0 Subject: Why? X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <694AF3CAD@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 437 Lines: 19 I waited for nearly two weeks... ...this morning I openend it up and was, once again, dissapointed. Why are the cholcates in those cheapy advent calenders SO DISGUSTING?! For this, and more WHY questions answered... visit www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna [I might as well plug my site, coz nothing else is doing...!] Peace, Love, Kisses... Johnna Pig Teare (JohnnaPig@deathsdoor.com) "Living in a new world, thinking in the past..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Dec 1 21:40:15 1997 Message-Id: <199712012128.VAA29404@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 21:28:10 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Why? In-reply-to: <694AF3CAD@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 332 Lines: 17 > visit > > www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna hey, i've got one of them. yellow internet still refuse to acknowledge its existence though. do a search for my site and it says 'sorry, we don't have one of them' well, clearly, they in fact do: http://yi.com/home/HooperDave/ it sucks. maybe that's why they've chosen to ignore it. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Dec 2 12:26:05 1997 From: The Mad Goose Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 12:03:31 GMT+0 Subject: Re: Why? X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <3E4CE3CC1@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 645 Lines: 28 > yellow internet still refuse to acknowledge its existence though. > do a search for my site and it says 'sorry, we don't have one of > them' Bit bizzarre. Have you got stuff up on the site and all? Like, have they given you ftp access yet? > > well, clearly, they in fact do: > > http://yi.com/home/HooperDave/ > > > it sucks. maybe that's why they've chosen to ignore it. You're joking...have you seen some of the stuff they have... "Here's my favourite twelve conkers for 1997..." and loads of others... > > Peace, Love, Kisses... Johnna Pig Teare (JohnnaPig@deathsdoor.com) "Living in a new world, thinking in the past..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Dec 2 14:38:06 1997 Message-Id: <199712021401.OAA23377@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 14:00:39 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Why? In-reply-to: <3E4CE3CC1@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 154 Lines: 7 > Bit bizzarre. Have you got stuff up on the site and all? Like, have > they given you ftp access yet? yup.. have had for almost a year now... odd... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Dec 2 14:48:46 1997 From: The Mad Goose Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 14:32:17 GMT+0 Subject: Which format...? X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <646C6075C@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 543 Lines: 19 Sorry, this is nothing to do with SAM but I hope someone can help... I want to enlarge an image I've taken off the net to put into a dtp presentation. It's currently in JPG format, but PageMaker won't accept JPG. Which is the best file format to use, so that when I enlarge my image in Pagemaker it won't lose as much definition? (Or indeed, is there one?) Erm...and now for some sam content. Sam is...erm...great... Peace, Love, Kisses... Johnna Pig Teare (JohnnaPig@deathsdoor.com) "Living in a new world, thinking in the past..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Dec 2 17:18:13 1997 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <646C6075C@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 17:10:58 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Which format...? X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id RAA02162 Status: RO Content-Length: 1653 Lines: 41 At 2:32 pm +0000 2/12/97, The Mad Goose wrote: >I want to enlarge an image I've taken off the net to put into a dtp >presentation. What image? What presentation? You may find yourself in copyright trouble if it's for profit. >It's currently in JPG format, but PageMaker won't accept JPG. > >Which is the best file format to use, so that when I enlarge my image >in Pagemaker it won't lose as much definition? (Or indeed, is there >one?) Unfortunately there isn't much you can do about losing definition. Almost all graphics file formats (JPEG included) are bitmap, ie pixellated. Even if the image was originally created with a vector package, by saving it as a JPEG the damage has already been done. Images for screen display are at 72dpi, and your printer is probably at least 300 dpi, so even before resizing each pixel will be noticably rectangular. Resizing the image larger will only make things worse. The only thing I can suggest is that you use a non-lossy format, like TIFF, to keep in as much information from that JPEG as you possibly can. Then after resizing the image, blur it quite heavily and fiddle about with the contrast and brightness. HTH Andrew --- +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ | Andrew Collier | LOKTLOKTNVS'n'0TTDS'n'3LOKTLOKTYRUAQT1YRUAT3 | | 1B NatSci at Selwyn | ICUQ4LADB4U2R1ICXp2M£UICXp4XTC | | Contact: asc25@cam.ac.uk | 1-0 1-0B9'n'RTB4IOUATUR32NV0 | | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk | ICAG#2?RSVPASAP'nIC.B2KTICQTRIP | +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+dre From imc Tue Dec 2 17:21:19 1997 Subject: Re: Which format...? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 17:21:19 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: from "Andrew Collier" at Dec 2, 97 05:10:58 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 345 Lines: 8 On Tue, 2 Dec 1997 17:10:58 +0000, Andrew Collier said: > Images for screen display are at 72dpi, and your printer is probably at > least 300 dpi, so even before resizing each pixel will be noticably > rectangular. Resizing the image larger will only make things worse. Of course you can use "xv" and smooth the image after enlarging it. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Dec 2 19:20:52 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971202140656.007c4100@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 14:06:56 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Which format...? In-Reply-To: <646C6075C@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 391 Lines: 14 >It's currently in JPG format, but PageMaker won't accept JPG. > >Which is the best file format to use, so that when I enlarge my image >in Pagemaker it won't lose as much definition? (Or indeed, is there >one?) > Use the TIFF format, but use a program which will let you resample the image to the DPI you need (or resize, but with bilinear or linear interpolation turned *on*). Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Dec 2 19:45:28 1997 Message-Id: <199712021937.UAA13429@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: Which format...? Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 20:36:14 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1321 Lines: 33 > Van: Ian Collier > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Onderwerp: Re: Which format...? > Datum: Tuesday, December 02, 1997 6:21 > > On Tue, 2 Dec 1997 17:10:58 +0000, Andrew Collier said: > > Images for screen display are at 72dpi, and your printer is probably at > > least 300 dpi, so even before resizing each pixel will be noticably > > rectangular. Resizing the image larger will only make things worse. > > Of course you can use "xv" and smooth the image after enlarging it. > > imc It also depends on the type of printing, printing with difusion is usually done at 60 lines per inch for a 300-360 dpi printer, to get the best result the resolution of the image has to be about 2 times the LPI for color and 2.4 times that for greyscales. So in short, 300 to 360 DPI printing at 60 LPI = 120 DPI for color or 144 DPI for greyscales. As for Line-art (black and white only) go for high resolutions likes 600 to 1200 or if nessecary even higher. (note: this is all if the pictures are going to be used at 100%, so increase or decrease accordingly). As for the white computer, I got hold of a distant family-member last sunday, yep I have him finally, a ZX80. -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] - Whats on the telly then? - - Looks like a penguin to me - Monty Python From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Dec 2 20:46:36 1997 Message-Id: <199712022042.UAA12910@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 20:42:12 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Which format...? In-reply-to: <646C6075C@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 378 Lines: 10 > Which is the best file format to use, so that when I enlarge my image > in Pagemaker it won't lose as much definition? (Or indeed, is there > one?) technically, you /could/ use sommat like CorelTRACE to convert the bitmap into a vector image... but CorelTRACE is kinda crap and doesn't do the job well. i'm sure there's other software out there that'd do a better job.. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Dec 2 21:02:57 1997 Message-Id: <199712022058.UAA18112@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Paul Walker To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 20:57:02 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Slowly drumming fingers... References: <971119151504_1704799131@mrin79> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 409 Lines: 13 > > Well it may not be your fault. It could be your ISP that is wrong, its > Ying tong ying tong ying tong ying tong ying tong yiddle-i-po. Ying > tong ying tong ying tong ying tong ying tong yiddle-i-po. Ying tong Do I get the feeling that, like me, you don't really care if the timezone is wrong or not? :) Paul -- You are no longer part of "the system". We are above "the system". Over it. Beyond it. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Dec 2 21:50:02 1997 Message-ID: <34847CF7.14A6@ndirect.co.uk> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 21:26:16 +0000 From: Nev Young Organization: ndirect X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sams users mail list Subject: Re: See if this makes you giggle... References: <2B69EEFE132D@ice.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 3303 Lines: 97 Look guys just ignore this ok ! ============================= This is one of those stupid chain letters but the message is nice and I loved the part about someone being crushed by a disco ball. I took the liberty of editing out a few parts. Around The Corner: By Henson Towne Around the corner I have a friend, In this great city that has no end, Yet the days go by and weeks rush on, And before I know it, a year is gone. And I never see my old friends face, For life is a swift and terrible race, He knows I like him just as well, As in the days when I rang his bell. And he rang mine If, we were younger then, And now we are busy, tired men. Tired of playing a foolish game, Tired of trying to make a name. "Tomorrow" I say "I will call on Jim" "Just to show that I'm thinking of him." But tomorrow comes and tomorrow goes, And distance between us grows and grows. Around the corner!- yet miles away, "Here's a telegram sir, Jim died today." And that's what we get and deserve in the end. Around the corner, a vanished friend. Remember to always say what you mean. If you love someone, tell them. Don't be afraid to express yourself. Reach out and tell someone what they mean to you. Because when you decide that it is the right time, it might be too late. Seize the day. Never have regrets. And most importantly, stay close to your friends and family, for they have helped make you the person that you are today. ------------------------------------------ Pass this along to your friends. It could make a difference. The difference between doing all that you can or having regrets which may stay with you forever. Sorry to do this to you: This is a love chain letter. Within 5 days you must send it to 10 other people. On the 5th day a person you like will ask you out, or tell you that they love you. If you do not send it you will have problems in future relationships.(yep, I'm sure) It has been going since 1877 and hasn't stopped since. * Warning* if you do not pass this on, something as bad as this story, or WORSE will happen to you: This was the best of the stories. CASE 2: Take Sarah Matthewson. She received this letter and being the believer that she is, she sent it on to a few of her friends but didn't have enough e-mail addresses to send out the full 10 that you must. Three days later, Sarah was at a masquerade ball when she was struck by a falling disco ball and died. This is the letter: You must send this on in 1 hour after reading this letter to 10 different people. If you do this, you will receive luck in love. The person that you are most attracted to will soon return your feelings. This sort of puts love in a new perspective. Who knew all you had to do was pass on one of these silly letters? Well I guess the person who started this letter. -- ---------------------------------------------------- | | |This site is developing self awareness | |(Oh no I'm not. cognito ergo P120-S) | |--------------------------------------------------| |Home nevilley @ ndirect.co.uk | |Work gbh3rknr @ ibmmail.com | |http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~nevilley/homepage.htm | ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Dec 2 23:08:55 1997 Date: Tue, 2 Dec 97 22:07:50 GMT Message-ID: <804_OASIS_@lhutz.demon.co.uk> From: James@lhutz.demon.co.uk (James R Curry) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Mailer: OASIS Post Box (Atari) v1.31E Subject: Re: Slowly drumming fingers... X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 856 Lines: 28 "Paul Walker" said:- >> > Well it may not be your fault. It could be your ISP that is wrong, its >> Ying tong ying tong ying tong ying tong ying tong yiddle-i-po. Ying >> tong ying tong ying tong ying tong ying tong yiddle-i-po. Ying tong > >Do I get the feeling that, like me, you don't really care if the >timezone is wrong or not? :) Well, I do. It's damn annoying to come to your mail and find the answers and replies to messages way before the originals. And it's not hard to fix, you people. __ James R Curry - James@lhutz.demon.co.uk "You never know when an old calendar might come in handy. Sure, it's not 1985 right now, but who knows what tomorrow will bring?" - Homer Simpson, The Simpsons. The official James R Curry web page - Very soon, I promise. Honest. Ah, come on, you believe me, don't you?! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Dec 3 08:10:59 1997 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 19:52:04 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: Which format...? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a <8OHKkEUpoELRXgFKFsA4hwDBr8> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 832 Lines: 19 In message , Andrew Collier writes >The only thing I can suggest is that you use a non-lossy format, like TIFF, >to keep in as much information from that JPEG as you possibly can. Then >after resizing the image, blur it quite heavily and fiddle about with the >contrast and brightness. That's how I get my TV to work. :) Graham -- /====================================================\ +--------------+ | My proverb for this week: | |This Space For| | "The less bits, the less can go wrong... | | Hire - Ideal | | Unless you wobble something important at the back" | |For Weddings &| \==Graham Goring - graham@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk==/ | Bahmitzvas | My Website, coming to a server near you - SOON +--------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Dec 4 17:46:54 1997 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <00256563.0039549A.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:50:47 +0000 Subject: A couple things... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 842 Lines: 24 Hi gang.. Sorry I haven't contributed for a while.. Laziness and all that... :) Well, I was getting really bored last night and I couldn't be bothered to do any coding so I ended up playing some speccy games and realised that there isn't a game I was really addicted to: Bumpy and Elite don't have the same zing as they used to. So, I thought that what I need is a decent SAM game... So, Mr. Piggot... I've sent off for Stratosphere and hopefully I'll get it soon! :) And if it's any good, I'll probably get the sound card in the new year... Oh.. I had also looked through my entire collection of Format magazines that I have with me, (both of them), and a sudden thought came across my mind... What happened to the November issue??? The last one I got is marked October... And when's the next issue of Blitz out? Gotta go, Justin... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Dec 4 18:06:59 1997 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: sskardon@argonet.co.uk (Stewart Skardon) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 4 Dec 97 17:47:52 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: FRED / Kaboom Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1338 Lines: 41 Hello people, On my way to work this morning it suddenly occured to me that I havn't clapped eyes on an issue of FRED for at least 2 months now. Have any of you received a copy? Also, has anyone received the 'letter / vouchers' that Darren promised to send to anyone that had ordered a copy of Kaboom? I've written a fairly stroppy letter to Darren demanding a FULL refund, and I hope he replies. If he doesn't, I'll just keep on writing to him until he does. :-) I'm seriously considering pulling out of the SAM world, it's almost dead in my eyes, and things like this will certainly kill it. No one on this list seems to have talked about anything particularly SAM related for about 6 months, and nobody, except myself, seems to have updated their SAM websites since late 1996. Come on everyone. If you don't give me a good reason to stick around, I will give up, and that will mean that there will be one SAM owner less for you all to exploit. Humpf. Stewart (Who is not very happy in case you hadn't noticed.) -- _ (_'tewart email : sskardon@argonet.co.uk ,_)kardon http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/stewart/ Crashed Magazine - The SAM Coupe and ZX Spectrum Magazine. Crashed WWW Site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon Crashed Email - crashed@argonet.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Dec 4 18:24:56 1997 Message-Id: <199712041815.SAA04003@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 18:15:26 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: FRED / Kaboom In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 233 Lines: 16 > I'm seriously considering pulling out of the SAM world, it's almost dead in my > eyes, and things like this will certainly kill it. /almost/ dead? i thought it was. i'm just on here for the general atmos these days. dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Dec 4 18:24:56 1997 Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 18:18:56 +0000 (GMT) From: Dave To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: FRED / Kaboom In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 783 Lines: 20 > On my way to work this morning it suddenly occured to me that I havn't clapped > eyes on an issue of FRED for at least 2 months now. Have any of you received a > copy? Nope, I haven't seen one for ages. > I'm seriously considering pulling out of the SAM world, it's almost dead in my > eyes, and things like this will certainly kill it. I quite agree > > No one on this list seems to have talked about anything particularly SAM > related for about 6 months, and nobody, except myself, seems to have updated > their SAM websites since late 1996. My website is under construction, I just never seem to have any time to finish it while I'm at uni and I don't have web access a home. I am, however with you 100% about this list. An awful lot of SAM stuff appears to be ignored. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Dec 4 18:41:43 1997 From: Hard Eddie Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 18:33:06 GMT+0 Subject: Re: FRED / Kaboom X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <2268541A18@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1732 Lines: 50 > Hello people, > > On my way to work this morning it suddenly occured to me that I havn't clapped > eyes on an issue of FRED for at least 2 months now. Have any of you received a > copy? > Don't get FRED anymore - think I got as far as issue 74 or something - the one that had that big demo on that didn't work... > Also, has anyone received the 'letter / vouchers' that Darren promised to send > to anyone that had ordered a copy of Kaboom? > Is Kaboom out yet or not? > I'm seriously considering pulling out of the SAM world, it's almost dead in my > eyes, and things like this will certainly kill it. > No one on this list seems to have talked about anything particularly SAM > related for about 6 months, and nobody, except myself, seems to have updated > their SAM websites since late 1996. > Theres nothing happening though is there? I remember the days of SAMSon, 100 mails a day and the like - okay so it turned out to be hoax project, but at least we had some decent debate going on. Has anybody else realised that the SAM is nearly 9 years old? I think we've done quite well to keep the whole shabbang going this long considering it was never anything bigger than a cult in the first place. > Come on everyone. If you don't give me a good reason to stick around, I will > give up, and that will mean that there will be one SAM owner less for you all > to exploit. > Exploit is a good word. New SAM's are stlg200 are they not? For a nine year old machine? I don't think I'd fetch more than a tenner for my SAM if i sold it, yet new PSU's are stlg25. Crazy. > Humpf. > > Stewart Peace, Love, Kisses... Johnna Pig Teare (JohnnaPig@deathsdoor.com) "Living in a new world, thinking in the past..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Dec 4 18:46:04 1997 From: Hard Eddie Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 18:37:13 GMT+0 Subject: Re: FRED / Kaboom X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <227CCD5908@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 861 Lines: 24 > I am, however with you 100% about this list. An awful lot of > SAM stuff appears to be ignored. > Does anybody have a comprehensive list of the 'work in progress' releases planned? Are there any? Is there a BIG Christmas game this year, or do we have to for out a tenner for Defenders of the Earth instead. It seems to me, and I'll happily stand corrected because I'm pretty ignornat of what is going on in the SAM World these days, that the only person doing anything new is Colin Piggot and Quazar. Bob, do Revelation/West Coast have anything in the pipeline? Oh, and what is West Coast opinion on the SAM scene? Do 'they' regret not injecting some life into the scene by not advertising anywhere else except for in Format? Peace, Love, Kisses... Johnna Pig Teare (JohnnaPig@deathsdoor.com) "Living in a new world, thinking in the past..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Dec 4 20:40:57 1997 Message-ID: <19971204194108.28818.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [138.251.118.67] From: Colin Piggot To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: FRED / Kaboom Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 11:41:07 PST X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1048 Lines: 24 Johnna Teare said: >It seems to me, and I'll happily stand corrected because I'm pretty >ignornat of what is going on in the SAM World these days, that the >only person doing anything new is Colin Piggot and Quazar. Thanks for the two mentions :) (Seeing as Quazar is me!) Colin P. +--------------------------------------------------------+ | QUAZAR SURROUND soundcard... 16 bit sound on Sam! | | STRATOSPHERE - Fast Mode 4 3d Vector Action! | +------------------------+-------------------------------+ | Colin Piggot | __ ___ __ | | c_piggot@hotmail.com | /| | | | | / | | |\ | | | / | | | |__| / |__| |_\ | | Email your postal | /_\| |__| | | /__ | | | \ | | address for 14+ page | | | booklet about products | HARDWARE AND SOFTWARE FOR SAM | +------------------------+-------------------------------+ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Dec 4 20:40:58 1997 Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 19:44:46 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Sturdy To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: FRED / Kaboom In-Reply-To: <227CCD5908@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Message-ID: X-X-Sender: pyumi@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1386 Lines: 27 On Thu, 4 Dec 1997, Hard Eddie wrote: > Oh, and what is West Coast opinion on the SAM scene? Do 'they' regret > not injecting some life into the scene by not advertising anywhere > else except for in Format? Don't think there's been a lot of point in them advertising elsewhere for the past few years - maybe in '92, '93, but since then there's been no reason why anyone should spend pound200 on a new SAM, so if West Coast were to advertise elsewhere they'd really be firing blanks. I think it might be a good idea if everyone were to let go of the idea of the SAM being a commercial machine. I know I'm grossly oversimplifying things here, but it flopped in 1990, again in 1992, and everything that's happened since has been existing owners rallying around to make sure there's some kind of justification for the machine they invested quite a lot of money in. Maybe we'd be better off (and the SAM scene would be more active) if we just recognised that the SAM scene is just a few people doing their own thing in whatever way they can, just like on the Speccy and other 8bit computers. All we can do is contribute what we can, and make the most of what's around. We're very lucky to have people like Quazar, Format and Persona (and, of course, all those great magazines) keeping things happening in a way that things aren't happening on the rest of the 8bits. Love, Mark From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Dec 4 20:40:59 1997 Message-ID: <19971204194822.23098.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [138.251.118.67] From: Colin Piggot To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Stratosphere Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 11:48:22 PST X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1113 Lines: 29 Bob said: > Having spent parts of the Gloucester show watching the game it is > a must have in my opinion. >-- >Bob. Another fine quote to use! Anyway, what I was going to say is that my web pages are still under construction at the moment but will be up soon (just some more text to put in as I've already prepared most of the images.) Colin P. +--------------------------------------------------------+ | QUAZAR SURROUND soundcard... 16 bit sound on Sam! | | STRATOSPHERE - Fast Mode 4 3d Vector Action! | +------------------------+-------------------------------+ | Colin Piggot | __ ___ __ | | c_piggot@hotmail.com | /| | | | | / | | |\ | | | / | | | |__| / |__| |_\ | | Email your postal | /_\| |__| | | /__ | | | \ | | address for 14+ page | | | booklet about products | HARDWARE AND SOFTWARE FOR SAM | +------------------------+-------------------------------+ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Dec 4 22:30:28 1997 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <4a7747be.348725e1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 16:51:26 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: FRED / Kaboom Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 969 Lines: 28 In a message dated 04/12/97 19:24:57, you write: >It seems to me, and I'll happily stand corrected because I'm pretty >ignornat of what is going on in the SAM World these days, that the >only person doing anything new is Colin Piggot and Quazar. He does seem to be doing very well. > >Bob, do Revelation/West Coast have anything in the pipeline? Revelation, no, as most of you will be aware Colin Mcd did most if not all of the running around getting lazy programmers to produce things on time - when he went state-side everything fell apart. Darren was supposed to take over that side but he seems to keep such a low profile that nothing gets done. > >Oh, and what is West Coast opinion on the SAM scene? Do 'they' regret >not injecting some life into the scene by not advertising anywhere >else except for in Format? Where else is there? > >Peace, Love, Kisses... Now don't you come that lovey dovey stuff with me, keep your kisses to yourself :) -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Dec 4 22:30:29 1997 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 16:51:24 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: FRED / Kaboom Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1307 Lines: 51 In a message dated 04/12/97 18:53:48, you write: >Hello people, > Hello. >On my way to work this morning it suddenly occured to me that I havn't >clapped >eyes on an issue of FRED for at least 2 months now. Have any of you received >a >copy? No. > >Also, has anyone received the 'letter / vouchers' that Darren promised to >send >to anyone that had ordered a copy of Kaboom? > >I've written a fairly stroppy letter to Darren demanding a FULL refund, and I >hope he replies. If he doesn't, I'll just keep on writing to him until he >does. >:-) > >I'm seriously considering pulling out of the SAM world, it's almost dead in >my >eyes, and things like this will certainly kill it. Dead! DEAD!!! How can it be dead with such an active list as this :) > >No one on this list seems to have talked about anything particularly SAM >related for about 6 months, and nobody, except myself, seems to have updated >their SAM websites since late 1996. Well I, for one, have been very busy. > >Come on everyone. If you don't give me a good reason to stick around, I will >give up, and that will mean that there will be one SAM owner less for you all >to exploit. SAM owners, exploited? Pull the other one. > >Humpf. > >Stewart > >(Who is not very happy in case you hadn't noticed.) Now why could that be? -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Dec 4 22:30:29 1997 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <6007fa3e.348725e3@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 16:51:28 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: FRED / Kaboom Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1210 Lines: 45 In a message dated 04/12/97 19:25:02, you write: [snip] >> Also, has anyone received the 'letter / vouchers' that Darren promised to >send >> to anyone that had ordered a copy of Kaboom? >> >Is Kaboom out yet or not? No, hurl abuse at Waine. > [snip] >> >Theres nothing happening though is there? I remember the days of >SAMSon, 100 mails a day and the like - okay so it turned out to be >hoax project, but at least we had some decent debate going on. > It is not a hoax, the project continues, albeit a little slow - I will get there in the end. >Has anybody else realised that the SAM is nearly 9 years old? I think >we've done quite well to keep the whole shabbang going this long >considering it was never anything bigger than a cult in the first >place. Yep, already making plans for its tenth birthday :) > [snip] > >Exploit is a good word. New SAM's are stlg200 are they not? For a nine >year old machine? I don't think I'd fetch more than a tenner for my >SAM if i sold it, yet new PSU's are stlg25. Crazy. If you would like to try building either for less then you are welcome to have a go. [snip] > >Peace, Love, Kisses... > >Johnna Pig Teare You and your bloody kisses..... -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Dec 4 22:30:31 1997 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <4c809bbe.348725e1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 16:51:27 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: FRED / Kaboom Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 170 Lines: 11 In a message dated 04/12/97 19:24:59, you write: >I am, however with you 100% about this list. An awful lot of >SAM stuff appears to be ignored. > > Like??? -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Dec 4 22:30:32 1997 Message-Id: <348728AE.6D93AA92@cableol.co.uk> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 22:03:26 +0000 From: SparkY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: A couple things... X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <00256563.0039549A.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 905 Lines: 25 Justin_Skists@case.co.uk wrote: > So, I thought that what I need is a decent SAM game... So, Mr. > Piggot... > I've sent off for Stratosphere and hopefully I'll get it soon! :) And > if > it's any good, I'll probably get the sound card in the new year... Good choice in getting Stratosphere! It will cheer your demoralised SAM up a bit :) > Oh.. I had also looked through my entire collection of Format > magazines that I have with me, (both of them), and a sudden thought came across > my mind... What happened to the November issue??? The last one I got is > marked October... That's right, it seems to be the last one released. I've said before a few times that I reckon Format is dying, and Bob denied it - but it's the first issue I can remember that hasn't appeared somewhere inside the month that it was meant to... > And when's the next issue of Blitz out? Hopefully before Christmas. Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Dec 4 22:30:33 1997 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <73a2e13e.348725dc@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 16:51:22 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: A couple things... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 352 Lines: 11 In a message dated 04/12/97 17:55:53, you write: >Oh.. I had also looked through my entire collection of Format magazines >that I have with me, (both of them), and a sudden thought came across my >mind... What happened to the November issue??? The last one I got is marked >October... It was rather late, but you should have had it by now. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Dec 4 23:00:42 1997 Message-Id: <348733D5.1C9BFE18@cableol.co.uk> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 22:51:01 +0000 From: SparkY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: FRED / Kaboom X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2660 Lines: 64 Stewart Skardon wrote: > On my way to work this morning it suddenly occured to me that I havn't > clapped > eyes on an issue of FRED for at least 2 months now. Have any of you > received a > copy? Nope. > Also, has anyone received the 'letter / vouchers' that Darren promised > to send to anyone that had ordered a copy of Kaboom? Nope. > I've written a fairly stroppy letter to Darren demanding a FULL > refund, and I hope he replies. If he doesn't, I'll just keep on # > writing to him until he does. > :-) I ordered Kaboom last year I think, and I haven't received it or the coupons or an apology. Nor have I received my copy of Colony which I ordered way before the game was released (and I know for a fact he received the payment). I tried they stroppy letter thing about a month and a half ago - no reply. > I'm seriously considering pulling out of the SAM world, it's almost > dead in my > eyes, and things like this will certainly kill it. Totally agree. The amount of times I have been let down this year by various SAM people is a bit ridiculous. I've moaned before a few times on the list about what people owe me, including the above, plus SAM_Clock (and I asked for a refund Bob, and you haven't f*cking replied as usual), plus Conquest, plus X-Sights 3, a SAM power pack (BOB!!), 4 issues of Zodiac, and a load of other things I can't remember off hand. And it's depressing. Depressing because that little list adds up to quite a bit of money, especially for what is essentially a hobby computer. Now I understand that SAM doesn't have a massive market and therefore doesn't have massive companies, and so things inevitably get delayed even more than in the PC market, but I *can't* understand why a lot of people don't have the decency to reply and say "sorry mate, you'll have to wait a month or two". I'm sick of it, and you are right, it is killing the SAM scene as we know it. > Come on everyone. If you don't give me a good reason to stick around, > I will > give up, and that will mean that there will be one SAM owner less for > you all > to exploit. I've almost given up on the SAM myself. I mean, I will keep it cos I love it, and I collect 8 bits anyway, and I do a little programming on it when I have time, but I'm sick of firing cheques at people and they don't damn well reply. Over the last week or two I have got back more into the Speccy scene again, and it seems much more vibrant and friendly than the current SAM one. I'm not damning the whole SAM scene - there are one or two companies I still trust, such as Quazar who seem 100% reliable, Alchemist, and Persona (and not just cos I write for Blitz). Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Dec 4 23:00:43 1997 Message-Id: <348733E2.7E28C5DF@cableol.co.uk> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 22:51:14 +0000 From: SparkY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: FRED / Kaboom X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <227CCD5908@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 873 Lines: 22 Hard Eddie wrote: > It seems to me, and I'll happily stand corrected because I'm pretty > ignornat of what is going on in the SAM World these days, that the > only person doing anything new is Colin Piggot and Quazar. Don't forget Persona! They are probably the most active company left, and have a pretty massive software list, (that gained a graphic adventure and a platformer last month). Malcolm is one of the most enthusiastic people left in the SAM scene. Oh, and don't forget their *internal* hard drive interface coming out before too long :)))))))) Colin, can we have a patch for Stratosphere to work from the hard drive? That's probably the only problem with Stratosphere, the fact that there's quite a bit of loading to be done (although it's worth the wait). > Bob, do Revelation/West Coast have anything in the pipeline? Muwahahahahahahaha! Sorry. Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Dec 4 23:00:43 1997 Message-Id: <348733F0.996B758E@cableol.co.uk> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 22:51:28 +0000 From: SparkY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: FRED / Kaboom X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1328 Lines: 33 Mark Sturdy wrote: > > On Thu, 4 Dec 1997, Hard Eddie wrote: > > > Oh, and what is West Coast opinion on the SAM scene? Do 'they' > regret > > not injecting some life into the scene by not advertising anywhere > > else except for in Format? > > Don't think there's been a lot of point in them advertising elsewhere > for > the past few years - maybe in '92, '93, but since then there's been no > reason why anyone should spend pound200 on a new SAM, so if West Coast > were to advertise elsewhere they'd really be firing blanks. Erm, Mark, since near the end of 1993 we've only had fanzines - how much do they charge for a small advert?!? And it wasn't just the fact that they didn't bother to advertise in fanzines (some of which would have probably allowed free advertising!), but the fact that they *withheld* information from the fanzines! I mean, we're talking about sending a letter out now and then with current info of SAM prices, which SAM fanzines would have jumped at the chance to print. > Maybe we'd be better off (and the SAM scene would be > more active) if we just recognised that the SAM scene is just a few > people doing their own thing in whatever way they can, just like on the > Speccy and other 8bit computers. I think most of us, other than Format/West Coast etc. already recognise this. Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Dec 4 23:00:57 1997 Message-Id: <348733F6.6C98ACF1@cableol.co.uk> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 22:51:34 +0000 From: SparkY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: FRED / Kaboom X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <2268541A18@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 716 Lines: 21 Hard Eddie wrote: > Don't get FRED anymore - think I got as far as issue 74 or something > - the one that had that big demo on that didn't work... Did you get the issue with the patch on it? And then it turned out that the patch needed a patch cos it didnt work :) > Is Kaboom out yet or not? Apparently it's finished and has been for some time but Wayne hasn't sent it to Darren. Something like that. > Exploit is a good word. New SAM's are #200 are they not? For a nine > year old machine? I don't think I'd fetch more than a tenner for my > SAM if i sold it, yet new PSU's are #25. Crazy. It is indeed ridiculous, especially when you hardly call the things new when they've been lying about for ages Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Dec 4 23:25:06 1997 Message-ID: <3487B72D.2931@clara.net> Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 00:11:26 -0800 From: David-Editor of Blitz Fanzine! Organization: Blitz Diskzine X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: FRED / Kaboom References: <2268541A18@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> <348733F6.6C98ACF1@cableol.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 838 Lines: 27 SparkY wrote: > > Hard Eddie wrote: > > Is Kaboom out yet or not? > > Apparently it's finished and has been for some time but Wayne hasn't > sent it to Darren. Something like that. Last I heard, it was complete but wouldn't work without the protection - which wasn't complete. Anyway, I though Wayne was actually on the SAM Mailing List anyway? Are you out there Wayne!?! > > Exploit is a good word. New SAM's are #200 are they not? For a nine > > year old machine? I don't think I'd fetch more than a tenner for my > > SAM if i sold it, yet new PSU's are #25. Crazy. Someone mentioned to me the other day about some company selling the PSU's for a fiver? Anyone know anything about this? I could do with a spare. Besides which, the A600 is still knocked out for a pretty similar price to what it was about 4-5 years ago. David From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Dec 4 23:44:30 1997 Message-Id: <34873F9D.459DA835@cableol.co.uk> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 23:41:17 +0000 From: SparkY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: FRED / Kaboom X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <2268541A18@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> <348733F6.6C98ACF1@cableol.co.uk> <3487B72D.2931@clara.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1066 Lines: 29 David-Editor of Blitz Fanzine! wrote: > > SparkY wrote: > > > Exploit is a good word. New SAM's are #200 are they not? For a > nine > > > year old machine? I don't think I'd fetch more than a tenner for > my > > > SAM if i sold it, yet new PSU's are #25. Crazy. > > Someone mentioned to me the other day about some company selling the > PSU's for a fiver? Anyone know anything about this? I could do with a > spare. Probably Greenweld, although I would have thought that you would have heard of them by now, as they're mentioned quite a bit on this list. The power supplies aren't approved by West Coast cos they haven't been officially tested or something, but everyone I have spoken to who has one, says they haven't had any probs. (Check http://www.greenweld.co.uk/ for their address by the way). > Besides which, the A600 is still knocked out for a pretty similar > price > to what it was about 4-5 years ago. Eh? The A600 hasn't been produced for about two or more years. If you are talking about the A1200, it's only 100 quid more than the SAM... Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Dec 5 01:04:52 1997 Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 01:00:22 +0000 (GMT) From: Dave Handley To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: FRED / Kaboom In-Reply-To: <4a7747be.348725e1@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 837 Lines: 17 > Revelation, no, as most of you will be aware Colin Mcd did most if not all of > the running around getting lazy programmers to produce things on time - when > he went state-side everything fell apart. Darren was supposed to take over > that side but he seems to keep such a low profile that nothing gets done. Perhaps the only reason Revelation don't have anything to release is due to the fact that the programmers, when not being lazy, don't get a single penny of their royalties! Or was that just me? :) Dave ,---------------------------------------------------------, ,/ Dave Handley / ,/ Email - d.handley@lancaster.ac.uk /' / Visit - http://www.lancs.ac.uk/ug/handley/index.htm /' `---------------------------------------------------------' From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Dec 5 12:17:58 1997 From: Hard Eddie Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 12:00:09 GMT+0 Subject: Re: FRED / Kaboom X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <33E6077E4C@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1411 Lines: 38 Hello, > Hard Eddie wrote: > > > It seems to me, and I'll happily stand corrected because I'm pretty > > ignornat of what is going on in the SAM World these days, that the > > only person doing anything new is Colin Piggot and Quazar. > > Don't forget Persona! They are probably the most active company left, > and have a pretty massive software list, (that gained a graphic > adventure and a platformer last month). Malcolm is one of the most > enthusiastic people left in the SAM scene. Oh, and don't forget their > *internal* hard drive interface coming out before too long :)))))))) > Colin, can we have a patch for Stratosphere to work from the hard drive? > That's probably the only problem with Stratosphere, the fact that > there's quite a bit of loading to be done (although it's worth the > wait). > Yup, granted I forgot Persona. If David or Malcolm is on the list still, any chance of mailing me a list of Perssona titles - I feel i should buy something for SAM because the last thing I bought was that football game I think. 1994-ish? We'll see how Chritsmas goes - just got a new PC at home and Queen - The Eye is out after Christmas. It sounds great! > > Bob, do Revelation/West Coast have anything in the pipeline? > > Muwahahahahahahaha! Sorry. > > Gavin > > > Peace, Love, Kisses... Johnna Pig Teare (JohnnaPig@deathsdoor.com) "Living in a new world, thinking in the past..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Dec 5 12:41:29 1997 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3487B72D.2931@clara.net> References: <2268541A18@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> <348733F6.6C98ACF1@cableol.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 12:28:13 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: FRED / Kaboom X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id MAA08299 Status: RO Content-Length: 955 Lines: 24 At 8:11 am +0000 5/12/97, David-Editor of Blitz Fanzine! wrote: >Last I heard, it was complete but wouldn't work without the protection - >which wasn't complete. Oh haddock. They should just forget about the disk protection, a determined pirate can get around that sort of thing. But who'd pirate Kaboom anyway? Everybody's already paid for their own copy! Besides, I think most Sam users have the sense not to steal money from the few companies who've kept going. Andrew --- +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ | Andrew Collier | LOKTLOKTNVS'n'0TTDS'n'3LOKTLOKTYRUAQT1YRUAT3 | | 1B NatSci at Selwyn | ICUQ4LADB4U2R1ICXp2M£UICXp4XTC | | Contact: asc25@cam.ac.uk | 1-0 1-0B9'n'RTB4IOUATUR32NV0 | | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk | ICAG#2?RSVPASAP'nIC.B2KTICQTRIP | +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Dec 5 13:14:12 1997 Message-Id: <3487FA1E.4BBFDC42@cableol.co.uk> Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 12:57:02 +0000 From: SparkY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: FRED / Kaboom X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <33E6077E4C@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 511 Lines: 12 > Yup, granted I forgot Persona. If David or Malcolm is on the list > still, any > chance of mailing me a list of Perssona titles - I feel i should buy > something for SAM because the last thing I bought was that football > game I think. 1994-ish? We'll see how Chritsmas goes - just got a new > PC at home and Queen - The Eye is out after Christmas. It sounds > great! http://www.persona.clara.net/ has an updated list of software. You should also get an issue or two of Blitz, as it's just lovely :) Gavin From imc Fri Dec 5 13:37:19 1997 Subject: Re: FRED / Kaboom To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 13:37:19 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: from "Andrew Collier" at Dec 5, 97 12:28:13 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 317 Lines: 8 On Fri, 5 Dec 1997 12:28:13 +0000, Andrew Collier said: > But who'd pirate Kaboom anyway? Everybody's already paid for their own > copy! Besides, I think most Sam users have the sense not to steal money > from the few companies who've kept going. By the way, where did you get your copy of MasterDOS from? :-) imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Dec 5 14:37:06 1997 From: Hard Eddie Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 14:14:46 GMT+0 Subject: Re: FRED / Kaboom X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <3618EA0CF6@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1212 Lines: 32 Hello, > On Fri, 5 Dec 1997 12:28:13 +0000, Andrew Collier said: > > But who'd pirate Kaboom anyway? Everybody's already paid for their own > > copy! Besides, I think most Sam users have the sense not to steal money > > from the few companies who've kept going. > > By the way, where did you get your copy of MasterDOS from? :-) > MasterDOS is a bit useless wihout the manuals surely? But I'm not too sure about this piracy thing. Kaboom has been in the pipeline for such a long time now surely anyone who wants it would have already placed their order for it - and anyone who doesn't want it but pirates it just to see what it is like - well they were never going to buy it anyway were they so where is the loss? I know this is bollocks logic, and seems to be encouraging piracy, but I just think that in a world as small as the SAM's, nobody would be stupid enough to deter those who do write good software by ripping off their games would they? On the other side of the coin - I've seen pirate copies of disk amagzines flying around so maybe people are really tight. > imc > Peace, Love, Kisses... Johnna Pig Teare (JohnnaPig@deathsdoor.com) "Living in a new world, thinking in the past..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Dec 5 15:25:40 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971205095524.007c9100@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 09:55:24 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: FRED / Kaboom In-Reply-To: References: <3487B72D.2931@clara.net> <2268541A18@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> <348733F6.6C98ACF1@cableol.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 862 Lines: 22 At 12:28 PM 12/5/97 +0000, you wrote: >Oh haddock. They should just forget about the disk protection, a determined >pirate can get around that sort of thing. > >But who'd pirate Kaboom anyway? Everybody's already paid for their own >copy! Besides, I think most Sam users have the sense not to steal money >from the few companies who've kept going. It'd probably end up being based on the Parallax protection system anyway -- or at least something like it (I gave Wayne my source code to that and E-Copy a while ago to see what he'd come up with). The best thing about disk protection is the fun you can get out of trying to crack it. ;) (This is also proved by the fact that Mat of ESI did a 24-hour hacking stint to get around *my* protection scheme *grins*) ... and yes, everyone's probably got their own copy of Kaboom bought and paid for anyway. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Dec 5 15:25:40 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971205095710.007cb7e0@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 09:57:10 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: FRED / Kaboom In-Reply-To: <199712051337.NAA07694@p1.comlab.ox.ac.uk> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 455 Lines: 13 At 01:37 PM 12/5/97 +0000, you wrote: >Status: > >On Fri, 5 Dec 1997 12:28:13 +0000, Andrew Collier said: >> But who'd pirate Kaboom anyway? Everybody's already paid for their own >> copy! Besides, I think most Sam users have the sense not to steal money >> from the few companies who've kept going. > >By the way, where did you get your copy of MasterDOS from? :-) Dunno about Andrew, but I've got the source code in text and Comet format ;) Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Dec 5 15:57:27 1997 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: sskardon@argonet.co.uk (Stewart Skardon) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 5 Dec 97 14:52:21 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: FRED / Kaboom Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 841 Lines: 36 On Thu 4 Dec 97 (16:51:26), brenchleyr@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 04/12/97 19:24:57, you write: > >>It seems to me, and I'll happily stand corrected because I'm pretty >>ignornat of what is going on in the SAM World these days, that the >>only person doing anything new is Colin Piggot and Quazar. > >He does seem to be doing very well. [snip] > >Where else is there? Crashed :-) >> >>Peace, Love, Kisses... > >Now don't you come that lovey dovey stuff with me, keep your kisses to >yourself :) > >-- >Bob. > > -- _ (_'tewart email : sskardon@argonet.co.uk ,_)kardon http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/stewart/ Crashed Magazine - The SAM Coupe and ZX Spectrum Magazine. Crashed WWW Site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon Crashed Email - crashed@argonet.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Dec 5 15:57:28 1997 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: sskardon@argonet.co.uk (Stewart Skardon) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 5 Dec 97 14:54:17 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: FRED / Kaboom Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 895 Lines: 39 On Thu 4 Dec 97 (16:51:24), brenchleyr@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 04/12/97 18:53:48, you write: > >>Hello people, >> >Hello. [snip] >>I'm seriously considering pulling out of the SAM world, it's almost >dead in >>my >>eyes, and things like this will certainly kill it. > >Dead! DEAD!!! How can it be dead with such an active list as this :) Only active now because I sent an Email. In the past 2 weeks, I think i've recieved all of 10 mails from this 'active' list. >> >> >>(Who is not very happy in case you hadn't noticed.) > >Now why could that be? > >-- >Bob. > > -- _ (_'tewart email : sskardon@argonet.co.uk ,_)kardon http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/stewart/ Crashed Magazine - The SAM Coupe and ZX Spectrum Magazine. Crashed WWW Site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon Crashed Email - crashed@argonet.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Dec 5 15:57:29 1997 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: sskardon@argonet.co.uk (Stewart Skardon) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 5 Dec 97 14:56:53 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: FRED / Kaboom Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 873 Lines: 32 On Fri 5 Dec 97 (01:00:22 +0000), d.handley@lancaster.ac.uk wrote: >> Revelation, no, as most of you will be aware Colin Mcd did most if >not all of >> the running around getting lazy programmers to produce things on time [snipetty snip] > >Perhaps the only reason Revelation don't have anything to release is >due >to the fact that the programmers, when not being lazy, don't get a >single penny of their royalties! Or was that just me? :) > >Dave > Tee heee - either that, or they've run out of spectrum games to 'convert'. -- _ (_'tewart email : sskardon@argonet.co.uk ,_)kardon http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/stewart/ Crashed Magazine - The SAM Coupe and ZX Spectrum Magazine. Crashed WWW Site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon Crashed Email - crashed@argonet.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Dec 5 15:57:29 1997 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: sskardon@argonet.co.uk (Stewart Skardon) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 5 Dec 97 15:09:13 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Wow! Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 774 Lines: 26 My goodness, I can't believe it. I've suddenly thrown this list back to life. A few points, David, what issue of Blitz are you up to? Details of the Persona Hard Drive please.... I wanna know more. Is anyone out there actually working on any new SAM software? Anyone who want's a link to their website from the Crashed pages, feel free to mail me at crashed@argonet.co.uk . Pages that haven't been updated for over 6 months will not be considered! Stew. -- _ (_'tewart email : sskardon@argonet.co.uk ,_)kardon http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/stewart/ Crashed Magazine - The SAM Coupe and ZX Spectrum Magazine. Crashed WWW Site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon Crashed Email - crashed@argonet.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Dec 5 16:38:31 1997 X-Authentication-Warning: lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk: pyumi owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 16:30:20 +0000 (GMT) From: Mr M A Sturdy X-Sender: pyumi@lily To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: FRED / Kaboom In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971205095524.007c9100@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 252 Lines: 7 On Fri, 5 Dec 1997, Simon Cooke wrote: > ... and yes, everyone's probably got their own copy of Kaboom bought and > paid for anyway. You're forgetting that because no one has a copy, it's not been reviewed - surely that'd generate a few more sales? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Dec 6 00:19:32 1997 X-Authentication-Warning: lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk: pyumi owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 16:45:59 +0000 (GMT) From: Mr M A Sturdy X-Sender: pyumi@lily To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no cc: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Crashed and goodbye! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id AAA29733 Status: RO Content-Length: 1606 Lines: 34 Yes, it's true - issue 20 of Crashed is finally out, and it rocks! Thanks to all the subscribers who have been waiting patiently since June - rest assured, me and Stewart haven't enjoyed the delay either. If you've ordered a copy but haven't got it yet, rest assured that it's in the post! 20 A4 pages of quality SAM and Speccy entertainment . . . lots and lots of news . . . reviews of the new SAM games Twist, Shapes and X-It . . . playing tips . . . info on modifying the Spectrum's ROM . . . some very silly letters . . . an altogether gratituitous picture of Derek and Clive . . . and, as they say, lots lots more. Normally, this feast would set you back an already barginous £1.50 - but because you're all such a great buncha guys, mention the SAM mailing list and you can have a copy for just ONE BRITISH POUND!!!! Send secure cash or cheques/postal orders made payable to CRASHED MAGAZINE, to Crashed, Pear Tree Cottage, North Deighton, WETHERBY, LS22 4EN. The other thing was, I'm going home from university tomorrow morning, so I won't have email access for a month (so no more kamikaze diplomacy for a while). Therefore, if you want more info on Crashed, you can: * Check out the official (if slightly needful of updating, STEWART!!!) Crashed website, http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon * Email Stewart, crashed@argonet.co.uk * Write to me at the above address * Ring me on (01937) 582837 * Order an issue! And there you have it. It remains only for me to say I hope everybody has a wingin', dingin', swingin', mingin' Christmas, and I'll see you all in January. Love, Mark From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Dec 6 00:19:34 1997 Message-Id: <199712051810.SAA07041@mail.enterprise.net> From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-FTN-To: Stewart Skardon Subject: FRED / Kaboom Date: 05 Dec 1997 17:55:27 Organization: Dalmation enterprises References: X-newsreader: Spot 1.3 #1234 X-mailer: NetGate 1.3 (Amiga; TCP/IP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2111 Lines: 49 In a message of 04 Dec 97 Stewart Skardon wrote to sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no: Hi Stewart, SS> I'm seriously considering pulling out of the SAM world, it's almost SS> dead in my eyes, and things like this will certainly kill it. I don't know anything about the Fred side of things because I don't subscribe, but I got a sad little note from Maria at BOAI yesterday, saying how they've decided to forget about the mag. I haven't logged on for mail all week and I thought that there would've been some discussion about BOAI's demise, but I guess I'll have to start it off.. So Simon.. What's gone wrong? :( We've got to face it really. Anyone who still has a SAM as their main computer has got to be a pretty sad person; and people like us who like to help such people are sadly deluded. :) Then again, I might be being too cynical - well I'm full of a cold or flu or something. The new BDOS for both floppy and Persona's new hard drive looks excellent - I've got a copy of the 'latest information' in my other hand right now. The price of 1.50 for the DOS is also amazing. SS> No one on this list seems to have talked about anything particularly SS> SAM related for about 6 months, and nobody, except myself, seems to have SS> updated their SAM websites since late 1996. Floggin' a dead 'orse mate. Not entirely true though; Andrew's page is quite recent. SS> Come on everyone. If you don't give me a good reason to stick around, I SS> will give up, and that will mean that there will be one SAM owner less SS> for you all to exploit. This looks like a cry for help. :) BTW - to those who I haven't told yet.. I've just got a P200 and I've been playing with SIM Coupe - excellent stuff Allan! One thing I'd like to ask though - is it possible, or will it be possible, to write to the .DSK files from SIM Coupe? Bye, _ -------------------------------------- |_)ave | Dalmation - Saturdays 12 till 10 pm | (/\)hitmore | | | UK 01744 614150 | -------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Dec 6 00:19:35 1997 Message-ID: <3488E61E.7F4F@clara.net> Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 21:43:58 -0800 From: David-Editor of Blitz Fanzine! Organization: Blitz Diskzine X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: FRED / Kaboom References: <2268541A18@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> <348733F6.6C98ACF1@cableol.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 834 Lines: 25 Andrew Collier wrote: > > At 8:11 am +0000 5/12/97, David-Editor of Blitz Fanzine! wrote: > >Last I heard, it was complete but wouldn't work without the protection - > >which wasn't complete. > > Oh haddock. They should just forget about the disk protection, a determined > pirate can get around that sort of thing. Apparantly, the protection is tied into the game actually working. IE without the protection on it wont work. Well, that's what Wayne said when I last spoke to him. > But who'd pirate Kaboom anyway? Everybody's already paid for their own > copy! Besides, I think most Sam users have the sense not to steal money > from the few companies who've kept going. Hey look, when it finally is released I'll buy a copy anyway! I'm all for supporting new software - but I'm buying Stratosphere first :) > Andrew David From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Dec 6 00:19:36 1997 Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 22:57:29 +0000 (GMT) From: Dave To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Wow! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1032 Lines: 21 > Is anyone out there actually working on any new SAM software? Going to have a go at an HTML reader/browser type thing over Christmas If it's any good, I *may* have a look at JAVA - however, I feel this may be rather optimistic. At that point, it would probably be necessary to call in the professional SAM coders (i.e. anyone but me!) If I have the time, I may have a bash at a game. Any requests? I'm not promising anything but if I feel I could do it, I'll probably try. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Fulton (D.A.Fulton@durham.ac.uk) Trevelyan College, University of Durham. http://www.dur.ac.uk/~d60m3c/ "All dwarfs are by nature dutiful, serious, literate, obdient and thoughtful people whose only minor failing is a tendency, after one drink, to rush at enemies screaming "Arrrrrrgh!" and axing their legs off at the knee" -- (Terry Pratchett, Guards! Guards!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Dec 6 02:50:54 1997 Message-Id: <3488BCE2.F0199F10@cableol.co.uk> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 02:48:02 +0000 From: SparkY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Wow! X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 834 Lines: 23 Dave wrote: > > > Is anyone out there actually working on any new SAM software? > > Going to have a go at an HTML reader/browser type thing over Christmas > If it's any good, I *may* have a look at JAVA - however, I feel this > may > be rather optimistic. At that point, it would probably be necessary > to > call in the professional SAM coders (i.e. anyone but me!) I wouldn't bother with the JAVA Dave, but the HTML reader is certainly a nice idea, and I'm sure many of us would be very interested in it. > If I have the time, I may have a bash at a game. Any requests? > I'm not promising anything but if I feel I could do it, I'll probably > try. How about a SAM version of Rock Star Ate My Hamster? I mean, we all know it was a crappily done game, but it was a nice idea. Or a SAM version of Chaos would be nice :) Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Dec 6 14:21:03 1997 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: sskardon@argonet.co.uk (Stewart Skardon) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 6 Dec 97 14:04:24 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Crashed and goodbye! Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1567 Lines: 52 On Fri 5 Dec 97 (16:45:59 +0000), pyumi@csv.warwick.ac.uk wrote: >Yes, it's true - issue 20 of Crashed is finally out, and it rocks! [cut the big advert] >I won't have email access for a month (so no more kamikaze diplomacy >for a while). Therefore, if you want more info on Crashed, you can: >* Check out the official (if slightly needful of updating, >STEWART!!!) Crashed website, http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon Update on the way folks. Watch this space. >* Email Stewart, crashed@argonet.co.uk >* Write to me at the above address >* Ring me on (01937) 582837 >* Order an issue! > >And there you have it. It remains only for me to say I hope everybody >has a wingin', dingin', swingin', mingin' Christmas, and I'll see you >all in >January. > >Love, > >Mark > > Yes, I would just like to say thanks to everyone for being so patient with me. I have had a few problems over the last couple of months, which haven't helped the situation with crashed 20. Also, Dave Fountain was a little un-helpful when it came to certain screenshots. I expect you all think that I am a bit of a hypocrit after all my previous comments about /other/ SAM magazines, but I do feel that at least Mark and I have tried to keep you informed. Stew. -- _ (_'tewart email : sskardon@argonet.co.uk ,_)kardon http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/stewart/ Crashed Magazine - The SAM Coupe and ZX Spectrum Magazine. Crashed WWW Site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon Crashed Email - crashed@argonet.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Dec 6 14:21:03 1997 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: sskardon@argonet.co.uk (Stewart Skardon) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 6 Dec 97 14:09:00 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Wow! Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1402 Lines: 44 On Fri 5 Dec 97 (22:57:29 +0000), d.a.fulton@durham.ac.uk wrote: >> Is anyone out there actually working on any new SAM software? > >Going to have a go at an HTML reader/browser type thing over Christmas Will it support Graphics? I think that many Web Sites look dreadful with just text only. >If it's any good, I *may* have a look at JAVA - however, I feel this >may >be rather optimistic. At that point, it would probably be necessary to > call in the professional SAM coders (i.e. anyone but me!) Call me stupid if you must, but I don't actually know what Java is. Any info. would be greatfully received. > >If I have the time, I may have a bash at a game. Any requests? How about a proper Dizzy style game? I was only ever any good at those. :-) I'd like to produce one, but my programming just isn't good enough. >I'm not promising anything but if I feel I could do it, I'll probably >try. > More than some people are doing! >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >------- Dave Fulton (D.A.Fulton@durham.ac.uk) > > -- _ (_'tewart email : sskardon@argonet.co.uk ,_)kardon http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/stewart/ Crashed Magazine - The SAM Coupe and ZX Spectrum Magazine. Crashed WWW Site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon Crashed Email - crashed@argonet.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Dec 6 16:17:06 1997 Message-Id: <199712061610.QAA25356@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 16:10:31 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Wow! In-reply-to: <3488BCE2.F0199F10@cableol.co.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 665 Lines: 17 > How about a SAM version of Rock Star Ate My Hamster? I mean, we all know > it was a crappily done game, but it was a nice idea. Or a SAM version of > Chaos would be nice :) did i ever mention i was trying to get a sam version of chaos done? well, it was beyond chaos... more complex... massive (3d) landscape, mountains, water, stuff like that... loads of creatures and things, boats, a novel concept of 'religion' in the game, kindof, and oooh, loads of stuff. then i did some maths and realised that the sam's poor memory just wouldn't be big enough to do the game justice... but i'm still working on a pc version, in case anyone's interested. dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Dec 6 16:22:27 1997 Message-Id: <199712061617.QAA25767@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 16:17:08 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: FRED / Kaboom In-reply-to: <199712051810.SAA07041@mail.enterprise.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 343 Lines: 10 > BTW - to those who I haven't told yet.. I've just got a P200 and I've > been playing with SIM Coupe - excellent stuff Allan! One thing I'd like to > ask though - is it possible, or will it be possible, to write to the .DSK > files from SIM Coupe? i've just got meself a K6-233, and it rockth! (hur hur-hur. thuttup beavith. hur hur) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Dec 6 16:55:41 1997 Message-Id: <348982A0.7C79451C@cableol.co.uk> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 16:51:44 +0000 From: SparkY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Wow! X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199712061610.QAA25356@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 899 Lines: 21 > did i ever mention i was trying to get a sam version of chaos done? > well, it was beyond chaos... more complex... massive (3d) landscape, > mountains, water, stuff like that... loads of creatures and things, > boats, a novel concept of 'religion' in the game, kindof, and oooh, > loads of stuff. > then i did some maths and realised that the sam's poor memory just > wouldn't be big enough to do the game justice... Sounds great, although I think the original game worked so well because it wasn't all that complex. Wasn't Zodiac working on a similar wizardy game? I think it might even be finished but I certainly won't be sending him any money until I get all the stuff I'm owed :) > but i'm still working on a pc version, in case anyone's interested. > > dave Nice one. There is a Java version of Chaos called Law, somewhere on the web, but I can't remember the address off hand :) Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Dec 6 17:47:47 1997 Message-ID: <348A0AE7.6812@clara.net> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 18:33:11 -0800 From: David-Editor of Blitz Fanzine! Organization: Blitz Diskzine X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Wow! References: <199712061610.QAA25356@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 338 Lines: 15 Dave Hooper wrote: . > then i did some maths and realised that the sam's poor memory just > wouldn't be big enough to do the game justice... Hmmm? Perhaps on a good SAM Hard Drive - it's just as good as having physical memory :) > but i'm still working on a pc version, in case anyone's interested. > > dave Keep us informed! David From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Dec 6 22:21:01 1997 Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 22:13:26 +0000 (GMT) From: Dave To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Wow! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2098 Lines: 50 > >> Is anyone out there actually working on any new SAM software? > > > >Going to have a go at an HTML reader/browser type thing over Christmas > > Will it support Graphics? I think that many Web Sites look dreadful with just > text only. If I can get all the info I need on the formats, yes - although to begin with , I would just like to get the reader capable of displaying the contents of the document. Of course, 256 colour GIFs will look sort of OK while 16 Million colour JPEGS will look pretty feeble. Nobody uses the colour splitter board any more do they? Your Sinclair didn't think very much of it and from what what little I remember it only gave 32768 (allegedly very streaky) colours > > >If it's any good, I *may* have a look at JAVA - however, I feel this > >may > >be rather optimistic. At that point, it would probably be necessary to > > call in the professional SAM coders (i.e. anyone but me!) > > Call me stupid if you must, but I don't actually know what Java is. > Any info. would be greatfully received. Basically, it's an object oriented language (a bit like C++) developed by SUN Microsystems. The idea being that your operating system on your PC/Mac/Whatever could effectively be replaced by a JAVA enabled web browser. All of your applications of the future (such as a word processor or whatever) could be written in JAVA and run in this method. The ultimate idea is that you could actually download applications from Microsoft's (or whoever's) server and thus A) Reduce the need for so much hard disk space B) Reduce the amount of piracy of applications. C) Increase your telephone bill That's a *very* rough description based on my limited knowledge. The big advantage of course is that, if you had a fast enough machine with a fast enough JAVA compiler, you could this software regardless of your machine's processor or architecture. > How about a proper Dizzy style game? I was only ever any good at those. :-) > I'd like to produce one, but my programming just isn't good enough. > I'll give it a go, time permitting. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Dec 7 00:18:55 1997 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 00:13:49 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Wow! X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id AAA20656 Status: RO Content-Length: 1416 Lines: 33 At 10:13 pm +0000 6/12/97, Dave wrote: >Nobody uses the colour splitter board any more do they? Your Sinclair >didn't think very much of it and from what what little I remember it only >gave 32768 (allegedly very streaky) colours >From what I remember, it added extra fractions of bits to the sam's existing 128 colour palette. Yet you were still limited to a CLUT of 16 entries, which is none too useful. The ROM's built-in PALETTE LINE routines are only really capable of one change per scan line. Theoretically you could use nifty, time dependent code to change the CLUT a little more frequently, but still only one change in, say, 32 horizontal pixels. So it might just be possible to write a program which draws one picture in many colours, but it would be hard to optimise for the general case. Certainly for a web browser, I doubt it would be worth trying to produce images in better than the sixteen nearest colours. Andrew --- +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ | Andrew Collier | LOKTLOKTNVS'n'0TTDS'n'3LOKTLOKTYRUAQT1YRUAT3 | | 1B NatSci at Selwyn | ICUQ4LADB4U2R1ICXp2M£UICXp4XTC | | Contact: asc25@cam.ac.uk | 1-0 1-0B9'n'RTB4IOUATUR32NV0 | | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk | ICAG#2?RSVPASAP'nIC.B2KTICQTRIP | +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+w From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Dec 7 00:38:10 1997 Message-ID: <348A6AED.6629@clara.net> Date: Sun, 07 Dec 1997 01:22:53 -0800 From: David-Editor of Blitz Fanzine! Organization: Blitz Diskzine X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Wow! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1385 Lines: 35 Andrew Collier wrote: > >From what I remember, it added extra fractions of bits to the sam's > existing 128 colour palette. Yet you were still limited to a CLUT of 16 > entries, which is none too useful. > > The ROM's built-in PALETTE LINE routines are only really capable of one > change per scan line. Theoretically you could use nifty, time dependent > code to change the CLUT a little more frequently, but still only one change > in, say, 32 horizontal pixels. So it might just be possible to write a > program which draws one picture in many colours, but it would be hard to > optimise for the general case. Certainly for a web browser, I doubt it > would be worth trying to produce images in better than the sixteen nearest > colours. > > Andrew Yes, from what I remember when talking to Adrian at the time, he was saying it would only be possible to change the colour about every few pixels. 32 pixels sounds about right... Come to think of it, the only none-SAMCO proggy I ever saw for the K-Scope was in issue 1 or 2 of SAM PRIME! And was one of the last things written by Nigel Kettlewell before he went on to pastures new... I seem to recall speaking to a certain hardware chappy a while ago about using a 32K block of SRAM to give another load of 4 bits per pixel to improve the colours to 256 colours - apparently this *is* possible, but don't ask me how. David From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Dec 7 11:20:00 1997 From: BillRitman Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 06:16:25 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Wow! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 445 Lines: 15 In a message dated 06/12/97 04:42:58, you write: >> If I have the time, I may have a bash at a game. Any requests? >> I'm not promising anything but if I feel I could do it, I'll probably >> try. > >How about a SAM version of Rock Star Ate My Hamster? I mean, we all know >it was a crappily done game, but it was a nice idea. Or a SAM version of >Chaos would be nice :) > >Gavin How about a SAM racing car game? I've not seen one yet. Bill From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Dec 7 15:15:35 1997 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: sskardon@argonet.co.uk (Stewart Skardon) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sun, 7 Dec 97 15:04:01 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Crashed Web site Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 526 Lines: 21 Hello everyone, Just a quick note for anyone who is interested, I have just completed a big update on the Crashed Web pages. Do take a look if you are on the Web and are stuck for things to look at. Stewart -- _ (_'tewart email : sskardon@argonet.co.uk ,_)kardon http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/stewart/ Crashed Magazine - The SAM Coupe and ZX Spectrum Magazine. Crashed WWW Site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon Crashed Email - crashed@argonet.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Dec 7 17:12:15 1997 Message-Id: <199712071706.RAA03793@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 17:06:11 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Wow! References: In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 771 Lines: 18 > Of course, 256 colour GIFs will look sort of OK while 16 Million colour > JPEGS will look pretty feeble. .. not much more feeble than 256 color gifs. either way, you're converting a colorspace of 16 million colors to a color space of 128 colors. in the first case you're limiting the situation to just 256 colors from the potential 16 million, rendered in just 16 from the 128. in the second, you attempt to render each of potentially 16 million colors in just 16 out of the 128. when you use error diffusion, both will look pretty similar. i guess. not great, but it's a start. anyone know a FAST sam-implementation of floyd-steinberg or something? or has anyone got the nouse to suggest an alternative dithering method which is quicker, but just as good? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Dec 7 18:49:20 1997 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199712071706.RAA03793@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 18:44:47 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Wow! X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id SAA00327 Status: RO Content-Length: 993 Lines: 21 At 5:06 pm +0000 7/12/97, Dave Hooper wrote: >not great, but it's a start. anyone know a FAST sam-implementation of >floyd-steinberg or something? or has anyone got the nouse to suggest >an alternative dithering method which is quicker, but just as good? The other alternative, of course, is just to do everything in greyscale. That would probably be a lot easier, and will certainly look less cheesy than trying to reduce the colour so heavily. I mean, even Netscape struggles with so few as 256 colours.... Andrew --- +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ | Andrew Collier | LOKTLOKTNVS'n'0TTDS'n'3LOKTLOKTYRUAQT1YRUAT3 | | 1B NatSci at Selwyn | ICUQ4LADB4U2R1ICXp2M£UICXp4XTC | | Contact: asc25@cam.ac.uk | 1-0 1-0B9'n'RTB4IOUATUR32NV0 | | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk | ICAG#2?RSVPASAP'nIC.B2KTICQTRIP | +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Dec 7 19:51:24 1997 Message-Id: <348AFD37.8B041902@cableol.co.uk> Date: Sun, 07 Dec 1997 19:47:03 +0000 From: SparkY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Wow! X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 260 Lines: 9 > How about a SAM racing car game? I've not seen one yet. > > Bill Apart from the game (Pitstop I think it was called) that Chris White was working on (screenshot in the last issue of YS). Whatever happened to that? I take it that it wasn't finished? Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Dec 7 20:03:56 1997 Message-Id: <199712071958.UAA29480@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: Wow! Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 20:54:54 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 592 Lines: 17 Van: Andrew Collier Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > The other alternative, of course, is just to do everything in greyscale. > That would probably be a lot easier, and will certainly look less cheesy > than trying to reduce the colour so heavily. I mean, even Netscape > struggles with so few as 256 colours.... Then at least use Stefan Dithering code, looks better on a monitor and you still have colors left for links, background, ect. -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] - Whats on the telly then? - - Looks like a penguin to me - Monty Python From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Dec 7 20:03:56 1997 Message-Id: <199712072000.VAA00199@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: Wow! Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 20:58:41 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 834 Lines: 25 : Van: SparkY : Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no : Onderwerp: Re: Wow! : Datum: Sunday, December 07, 1997 8:47 : : > How about a SAM racing car game? I've not seen one yet. : > : > Bill : : Apart from the game (Pitstop I think it was called) that Chris White was : working on (screenshot in the last issue of YS). Whatever happened to : that? I take it that it wasn't finished? : I might have a disk with some doodles lying around, Stefan did some crude coding for a racing game and Edwin Blink was working on some 3d-graphics and game-engine for a racinggame. But then I did'nt hear from Stefan for a very long time and Edwin has other things on his mind at the moment. -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] - Whats on the telly then? - - Looks like a penguin to me - Monty Python From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Dec 7 20:07:06 1997 Message-Id: <199712072003.VAA00870@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: Wow! Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 21:01:29 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 406 Lines: 16 ---------- : Van: SparkY : Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no : Onderwerp: Re: Wow! : Datum: Sunday, December 07, 1997 8:47 Question: .@cableol.co.uk internet through a televisioncable perhaps? :) If so, welcome to the club of happy users then :) -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] - Whats on the telly then? - - Looks like a penguin to me - Monty Python From imc Sun Dec 7 20:12:18 1997 Subject: Re: Wow! To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 20:12:18 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: from "Andrew Collier" at Dec 7, 97 06:44:47 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 473 Lines: 12 On Sun, 7 Dec 1997 18:44:47 +0000, Andrew Collier said: > than trying to reduce the colour so heavily. I mean, even Netscape > struggles with so few as 256 colours.... Netscape does OK with 256 colours, though not stunningly because it has to do all images in the document with the same colourmap (so it chooses about 212 in advance and sticks to them). I have 16 colours on my desktop and Netscape hardly works at all because it's broken (even in greyscale mode). imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Dec 7 20:30:23 1997 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <348AFD37.8B041902@cableol.co.uk> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 20:15:45 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Wow! X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id UAA01603 Status: RO Content-Length: 727 Lines: 19 At 7:47 pm +0000 7/12/97, SparkY wrote: >Apart from the game (Pitstop I think it was called) that Chris White was >working on (screenshot in the last issue of YS). Whatever happened to >that? I take it that it wasn't finished? ITYM Pitlane Andrew --- +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ | Andrew Collier | LOKTLOKTNVS'n'0TTDS'n'3LOKTLOKTYRUAQT1YRUAT3 | | 1B NatSci at Selwyn | ICUQ4LADB4U2R1ICXp2M£UICXp4XTC | | Contact: asc25@cam.ac.uk | 1-0 1-0B9'n'RTB4IOUATUR32NV0 | | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk | ICAG#2?RSVPASAP'nIC.B2KTICQTRIP | +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ew From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Dec 7 20:30:30 1997 Message-Id: <348B04B0.196AB738@cableol.co.uk> Date: Sun, 07 Dec 1997 20:18:56 +0000 From: SparkY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Wow! X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199712072003.VAA00870@mailserv.caiw.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 433 Lines: 17 Robert van der Veeke wrote: > > ---------- > : Van: SparkY > : Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > : Onderwerp: Re: Wow! > : Datum: Sunday, December 07, 1997 8:47 > > Question: .@cableol.co.uk internet through a televisioncable perhaps? > :) > > If so, welcome to the club of happy users then :) Sadly not :) Yeah, I have cable TV but the Internet connection is piped through the phone network *sobs* Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Dec 8 09:51:59 1997 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <00256567.0032C059.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 09:37:15 +0000 Subject: Don't give up! (Was: FRED / Kaboom) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1295 Lines: 40 >>>>>>>>>>> Stuart wrote >>>>>>>>>>> I'm seriously considering pulling out of the SAM world, it's almost dead in my eyes, and things like this will certainly kill it. No one on this list seems to have talked about anything particularly SAM related for about 6 months, and nobody, except myself, seems to have updated their SAM websites since late 1996. Come on everyone. If you don't give me a good reason to stick around, I will give up, and that will mean that there will be one SAM owner less for you all to exploit. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< I think people don't write about their projects because of the "Vapourware Curse!" I don't know about abyone else, but when I do tell people about my projects, nothing ever comes out of it. I'm still trying to write an "multitasking operating system" for the way I want to access it for my project(s) on the go (including that MIDI file player that I said I was going to do eons ago). Everything settles on the one fundemental thing: the memory allocation system for that operating system! So, I won't be able to write any software until I get the foundations done and I can't even down to do any of the code because of laziness and lack-of-free-time! Justin (Xenoic Systems) Oh, as for my web page... I'll get it done one day...... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Dec 8 10:02:21 1997 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <00256567.00352569.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 09:57:59 +0000 Subject: OHh (Was: FRED / Kaboom) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1806 Lines: 51 >>>>>>>> Dave wrote >>>>>>>>>>>> We've got to face it really. Anyone who still has a SAM as their main computer has got to be a pretty sad person; and people like us who like to help such people are sadly deluded. :) <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< That makes me a "pretty sad person" then, I suppose! :) Maybe it's because I am just so fed up with PCs!!! If I want to play a half decent game, I'll need to pay around 800quid for a half decent machine + things like 3d graphics cards, p*ss around with Windows 95 (or Memphis which is even worse!) Why bother when I can just pay 100 quid on a machine like the Playstation? (And spend the 900quid change on a buch of games or finally learn to drive!) And any own software/hardware developement projects I want to do, I can do much more easily and with much more fun on the SAM! Oh, PCs may have JAVA, C++ and decent wordprocessors, but I prefer low-level languages and any wordprocessing I want to do (hardly any), I'll do on ZDE on ProDOS and take in the file to work, reformat it and print it out! And I doubt there's a chance in hell of getting SAM to run JAVA apps. I've seen them trying to run on low-spec PCs.... Oh dear.... And the internet, in my opinion, is way over-rated so. Even if I did have a PC, I wouldn't bother connecting it to any of the ISPs since they over charge you so effing much!!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then again, I might be being too cynical - well I'm full of a cold or flu or something. The new BDOS for both floppy and Persona's new hard drive looks excellent - I've got a copy of the 'latest information' in my other hand right now. The price of 1.50 for the DOS is also amazing. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< BDOS???? Oooh oooh.. Details??? Does it work properly??? Is it easy to use from machine code??? Justin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Dec 8 10:26:19 1997 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 05:18:57 EST From: "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: OHh (Was: FRED / Kaboom) Message-Id: <19971208101915Z49415-6776+178@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 903 Lines: 31 Date: 1997-12-08 10:15 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 09:57:59 +0000 > Subject: OHh (Was: FRED / Kaboom) > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Then again, I might be being too cynical - well I'm full of a cold or flu > or something. The new BDOS for both floppy and Persona's new hard drive > looks excellent - I've got a copy of the 'latest information' in my other > hand right now. The price of 1.50 for the DOS is also amazing. > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > BDOS???? Oooh oooh.. Details??? Does it work properly??? Is it easy to > use from machine code??? Oh thank goodness. Now I can stop worrying about the lack of functionality in HDOS and simply recommend people to buy Persona's built in drive. Nev - is that a light I see at the end of the tunnel ? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Dec 8 10:37:54 1997 Message-Id: <199712081031.LAA23927@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: OHh (Was: FRED / Kaboom) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 11:27:46 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 430 Lines: 20 ---------- : Van: YOUNG, Neville / IT Life : Aan: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no : Onderwerp: OHh (Was: FRED / Kaboom) : Datum: Monday, December 08, 1997 11:18 : Nev - is that a light I see at the end of the tunnel ? It could be a train comming towards you :P (3d-tunnel :) -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] - Whats on the telly then? - - Looks like a penguin to me - Monty Python From imc Mon Dec 8 11:34:54 1997 Subject: Re: OHh (Was: FRED / Kaboom) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 11:34:54 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <00256567.00352569.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> from "Justin_Skists@case.co.uk" at Dec 8, 97 09:57:59 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 338 Lines: 8 On Mon, 8 Dec 1997 09:57:59 +0000, Justin_Skists@case.co.uk said: > If I want to play a half decent game, I'll need to pay around 800quid for > a half decent machine + things like 3d graphics cards, p*ss around with > Windows 95 (or Memphis which is even worse!) In order to play Worms you only need a 320x200 display and DOS. :-) imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Dec 8 12:02:27 1997 Message-Id: <199712081044.KAA29875@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 10:44:10 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: OHh (Was: FRED / Kaboom) In-reply-to: <00256567.00352569.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 586 Lines: 14 > And the internet, in my opinion, is way over-rated so. Even if I did have a > PC, > I wouldn't bother connecting it to any of the ISPs since they over charge > you so > effing much!!!! is 7.75 a month (inclusive of pretty much everything except phone calls and you could always put their local-call number on friends-and-family or sommat) over charging? it's the cheapest i've seen, but to me, it does genuinely seem kinda cheap. if you use the internet much, that is. there seems to be a growing trend in people getting connected, because, "hey, everyone's getting connected" From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Dec 8 12:02:27 1997 Message-Id: <199712081047.KAA00353@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 10:47:00 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Wow! In-reply-to: <199712072012.UAA12791@p1.comlab.ox.ac.uk> References: from "Andrew Collier" at Dec 7, 97 06:44:47 pm X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 145 Lines: 7 > I have 16 colours on my desktop and Netscape hardly works at all because > it's broken (even in greyscale mode). increase yr colordepth? l) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Dec 8 12:02:29 1997 Message-Id: <199712081049.KAA00818@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 10:49:03 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Wow! In-reply-to: <199712072000.VAA00199@mailserv.caiw.nl> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 431 Lines: 11 > I might have a disk with some doodles lying around, Stefan did some crude > coding for a racing game and Edwin Blink was working on some 3d-graphics > and game-engine for a racinggame. speaking of 3d engines and stuff, what was the (official?) reason for the non-release of F16? the demo on SU or whatever seemed kinda cool (if slow and stuff). did they just give up with trying to implement a speedy 3d-engine on the sam? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Dec 8 12:02:29 1997 Message-Id: <199712081050.KAA00971@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 10:49:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: OHh (Was: FRED / Kaboom) In-reply-to: <199712081031.LAA23927@mailserv.caiw.nl> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 181 Lines: 7 > It could be a train comming towards you :P > > (3d-tunnel :) oh man. that train bit was the scariest bit of that game, easily. way more scary than that stupid bat type thing. From imc Mon Dec 8 12:11:20 1997 Subject: Re: Wow! To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 12:11:20 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <199712081047.KAA00353@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> from "Dave Hooper" at Dec 8, 97 10:47:00 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 254 Lines: 9 On Mon, 8 Dec 1997 10:47:00 +0000, Dave Hooper said: > increase yr colordepth? D'oh! Why didn't I think of that?... Oh yeah, I did. However, it is a moderately big project involving kernel and BIOS hacking. I might get round to it eventually. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Dec 8 12:24:55 1997 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <00256567.0038B55F.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 12:04:18 +0000 Subject: *blinks* Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1512 Lines: 41 Wow! Now, that's what I call impressive!!! I got my copy of Stratosphere on Saturday morning. I'm sure I only sent off for it a couple of days before-hand... Now.. Games don't normally impress me at all.. But.. Wow! I like it! The sound without Quazar Surround is a bit sad (reminded my of those pre-nintendo and pre-sega video consoles (Anyone remember the Philips G7000?), but I like the game nonetheless! I like the way the baddies can kill each other if you dodge them properly!!! (And there are a couple of ideas for Colin to add if he ever decides to make Stratosphere 2) Colin, you have three things to answer for: a) You almost made me late to meet my mate on Saturday morning to go to Portsmouth! By the time I looked at my clock whilst playing the thing, I had 30 minutes to get dressed, back my overnight bag, have something to eat, get a bottle of wine for my mate's sister (whom was letting us stay the night), etc, etc.... b) You have now forced me to send off for the Quazar Surround before Christmas rather than after it!!!! I want to hear all those gorgeous sound effects NOW!!!! :) c) And finally, you have restored my faith in my SAM (and added yet another thing to my "MIDI Toolkit To-Do List")!! So, basically, the cheque's in the post and there's my hoping that the card can be used with just a pair of headphones and that it comes with a programmer's reference manual! Anyway... Ermm.. Keep up the good work and now I'm hungry so I want to get something to eat... Bye Justin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Dec 8 12:24:55 1997 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <00256567.0033556F.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 12:04:45 +0000 Subject: Re: A couple things... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 597 Lines: 18 >>>>>>>>>>>> Bob wrote (after me) >>>>>>> >Oh.. I had also looked through my entire collection of Format magazines >that I have with me, (both of them), and a sudden thought came across my >mind... What happened to the November issue??? The last one I got is marked >October... It was rather late, but you should have had it by now. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< I did get it, thanks. I got it as soon as I got home from work the day I sent the original email. Reading the mag, it gave a very good reason for it being late and I still feel guilty about that email. Sorry.... justin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Dec 8 14:30:21 1997 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 12:30:52 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: OHh (Was: FRED / Kaboom) In-Reply-To: <199712081134.LAA14258@p1.comlab.ox.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a <8OHKkEUpoELRXgFKFsA4hwDBr8> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 911 Lines: 20 In message <199712081134.LAA14258@p1.comlab.ox.ac.uk>, Ian Collier writes >On Mon, 8 Dec 1997 09:57:59 +0000, Justin_Skists@case.co.uk said: >> If I want to play a half decent game, I'll need to pay around 800quid for >> a half decent machine + things like 3d graphics cards, p*ss around with >> Windows 95 (or Memphis which is even worse!) Yep it's true. But at least you get to play Jedi Knight! Surely the best Doom-game EVER. :) Graham -- /====================================================\ +--------------+ | My proverb for this week: | |This Space For| | "The less bits, the less can go wrong... | | Hire - Ideal | | Unless you wobble something important at the back" | |For Weddings &| \==Graham Goring - graham@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk==/ | Bahmitzvas | My Website, coming to a server near you - SOON +--------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Dec 8 14:30:21 1997 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <00256567.004CB8D7.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 14:01:55 +0000 Subject: Re: OHh (Was: FRED / Kaboom) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 414 Lines: 14 >>>> IMC wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In order to play Worms you only need a 320x200 display and DOS. :-) <<<<<<<<< (I hate Lotus Notes!) <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< I'd still need to buy myself a new PC.... My family have nicked my old one... (actually, it was theirs in the first place) Not only that, I didn't really like Lemmings that much either. After the first few play-arounds, it got a bit pathetic. Justin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Dec 8 14:30:22 1997 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <00256567.004D731F.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 14:11:36 +0000 Subject: Re: OHh (Was: FRED / Kaboom) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 940 Lines: 24 >>>> Some really nice number wrote >>>>>> is 7.75 a month (inclusive of pretty much everything except phone calls and you could always put their local-call number on friends-and-family or sommat) over charging? it's the cheapest i've seen, but to me, it does genuinely seem kinda cheap. if you use the internet much, that is. there seems to be a growing trend in people getting connected, because, "hey, everyone's getting connected" <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Okie.. 7.75 isn't overcharging. It was a weak argument (especially since I actually own and use a mobile as my main phone) Even so, my landlord won't allow me access to the phone line (we got this really expensive phone box - hence the reason why I bought the mobbly! It's cheaper for long distance!!!!) and I don't intend on forking out more money for a new phone line to be put in especially since I intend on moving out as soon as I learn to drive!! Justin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Dec 8 14:57:16 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971208015007.007c4ea0@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 01:50:07 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Wow! In-Reply-To: References: <199712071706.RAA03793@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 392 Lines: 13 At 06:44 PM 12/7/97 +0000, you wrote: >The other alternative, of course, is just to do everything in greyscale. >That would probably be a lot easier, and will certainly look less cheesy >than trying to reduce the colour so heavily. I mean, even Netscape >struggles with so few as 256 colours.... > >Andrew I'd second that! Greyscale is the way to go. Or even, just strip the images. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Dec 8 14:57:16 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971208015156.007c4e80@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 01:51:56 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Wow! In-Reply-To: <199712071958.UAA29480@mailserv.caiw.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 423 Lines: 11 At 08:54 PM 12/7/97 +0100, you wrote: >Then at least use Stefan Dithering code, looks better on a monitor and you >still have colors left for links, background, ect. Yep... or use the Bayer filter -- works really well for that kind of thing. Actually, bayer or an error-diffusion one will work -- try my diamond filter (can't guarantee the quality -- it's not close enough to a convolution filter to get it right) Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Dec 8 14:57:18 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971208014923.007c4e90@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 01:49:23 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Wow! In-Reply-To: <199712071706.RAA03793@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 630 Lines: 25 At 05:06 PM 12/7/97 +0000, you wrote: >not great, but it's a start. anyone know a FAST sam-implementation of >floyd-steinberg or something? or has anyone got the nouse to suggest >an alternative dithering method which is quicker, but just as good? I've done Bayer, but it's not much cop. You could try something like this: 1/4 1/4 1/2 1/4 1/4 1/2 1/1 1/2 1/4 1/4 1/2 1/4 1/4 Not guaranteeing that it'll work though, but the principle should be sound for a limited result-set. The main problem is colourspace quantization. I wish you luck. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Dec 8 14:57:18 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971208015052.007c4e80@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 01:50:52 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Wow! In-Reply-To: <348AFD37.8B041902@cableol.co.uk> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 378 Lines: 12 At 07:47 PM 12/7/97 +0000, you wrote: >Apart from the game (Pitstop I think it was called) that Chris White was >working on (screenshot in the last issue of YS). Whatever happened to >that? I take it that it wasn't finished? Pitlane -- which was going to be converted to the Sega Game Gear at one point -- but it was shelved. And you're right -- it wasn't finished ;) Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Dec 8 15:03:36 1997 Message-ID: <19971208145708.1729.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [138.251.20.22] From: Colin Piggot To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: *blinks* Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 06:57:08 PST X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1334 Lines: 34 Justin Skists wrote: >Wow! Now, that's what I call impressive!!! Good... that's the responce everyone has given to Stratosphere! >Colin, you have three things to answer for: > >a) You almost made me late to meet my mate on Saturday morning to go >to Portsmouth! By the time I looked at my clock whilst playing the thing, I >had 30 minutes to get dressed, back my overnight bag, have something >to eat, get a bottle of wine for my mate's sister (whom was letting us stay >the night), etc, etc.... That's not really my fault :) It is rather addictive though! Colin P. +--------------------------------------------------------+ | QUAZAR SURROUND soundcard... 16 bit sound on Sam! | | STRATOSPHERE - Fast Mode 4 3d Vector Action! | +------------------------+-------------------------------+ | Colin Piggot | __ ___ __ | | c_piggot@hotmail.com | /| | | | | / | | |\ | | | / | | | |__| / |__| |_\ | | Email your postal | /_\| |__| | | /__ | | | \ | | address for 14+ page | | | booklet about products | HARDWARE AND SOFTWARE FOR SAM | +------------------------+-------------------------------+ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From imc Mon Dec 8 15:31:03 1997 Subject: Re: Wow! To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 15:31:03 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971208014923.007c4e90@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> from "Simon Cooke" at Dec 8, 97 01:49:23 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 2556 Lines: 66 On Mon, 08 Dec 1997 01:49:23 +0000, Simon Cooke said: > You could try something like this: > > 1/4 > > 1/4 1/2 1/4 > > 1/4 1/2 1/1 1/2 1/4 > > 1/4 1/2 1/4 > > 1/4 I don't know precisely what that means, but the FS algorithm I used (which I found in the source of ppmquant, I think) was something like... - initialise thiserr[] with random numbers. - fill each pixel in the image in order by going rightwards across the top, leftwards along the second line, rightwards along the third, ... and update the error for each pixel as below. For each line, initialise nexterr[] to zero. For each pixel, - add thiserror[x] to the actual value then plot the closest colour we have to that. Let err be the colour we wanted minus the colour we got. - If we are moving rightwards then: . add 7/16 err to thiserror[x+1] . add 5/16 err to nexterror[x] . add 3/16 err to nexterror[x-1] . add 1/16 err to nexterror[x+1]. - If we are moving leftwards then do the above with the obvious sign changes. At the end of each line, thiserror becomes nexterror. If we are doing this in colour then each value is a 3-dimensional array containing r,g,b values with each dimension considered separately (except at the point when we choose what colour to plot). The arrays thiserror and nexterror are the width of the image with an extra element added on the left and right. The random numbers with which thiserror is initialised are in the range -m/256 to m/256 where m is the colour value which represents white (or pure red/green/blue). All this can be done with integer maths by multiplying everything by a suitable number, e.g. 256. > The main problem is colourspace quantization. I wish you luck. This is true. Either you choose 16 and stick with them or you count the most popular 16 colours in the images you are trying to display. Once you have your 16 colours, choosing the nearest to any particular value is relatively easy. Mapping the full colour image to the 128 Sam colours is also fairly straightforward. Doing this in greyscale (without even using all 14 levels) should produce an acceptable result. Netscape does OK in monochrome. The other problem you are going to have is resolution. At 256x192 the images are going to look three times as big as they do on my PC and 4.5 times as big as they do on this Sun. Going to mode 3 won't help unless you elide alternate lines of the image, since the images will look rather squashed. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Dec 8 16:06:39 1997 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 15:43:21 +0000 (GMT) From: Dave To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: FRED / Kaboom In-Reply-To: <4c809bbe.348725e1@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2138 Lines: 55 > >I am, however with you 100% about this list. An awful lot of > >SAM stuff appears to be ignored. > > > > > > Like??? > Well, it's possible that it got lost by Compuserve (being the quality service that it is) but I did send out a couple of sam-related queries a while back to which I received no more than one reply and the problems were never solved. The two that I remember are: 1. What could be wrong with a SAM which never starts up, *except* when the disk/printer interface is plugged in the back and then only with the aid of the reset button? It's not the RAM, the ROM, or the ASIC (I've swapped them all with an identical (working) machine. I was hoping I may be able to fix it myself since it really doesn't seem worth the cost of posting plus a repair fee for something that is this trivial - it's just really annoying. 2. How could I connect a SAM to my SVGA monitor? It's completely industry standard (being an unheard-of make) and capable of up to 1024*768 interlaced and 800*600 non-interlaced. This would enable me to use my coupe while at Uni, since I can't really bring a TV *and* a PC. Since I do CompSci, the PC is kind of essential - therefore, bringing a TV is out. I do remember an article in Format ages ago, but it was kind of vague - only giving the wiring for specific brands and I was a little reluctant to copy them when this is my only monitor and I can't afford a replacement. By the way, thanks to everyone who has offered their suggestions for games and also advice for the HTML reader. I'll be going home for Christmas on the 12th so I'll have a go before I get back in early January. I may mail the list occasionally for advice, or just to let you know what's happenning - but these emails may be few and far between, since I don't use Compuserve very often. One thing that would be useful however, is a new ROM chip. What's happening Martin? This isn't a criticism - I'd just like to know roughly when I can expect it. Cheers. Dave Fulton P.S. Sorry about the ridiculous length of this email - it was never meant to be this long! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Dec 8 18:36:38 1997 Date: Fri, 5 Dec 97 12:21:54 GMT Message-ID: <826_OASIS_@lhutz.demon.co.uk> From: James@lhutz.demon.co.uk (James R Curry) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Mailer: OASIS Post Box (Atari) v1.31E Subject: Re: FRED / Kaboom X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 790 Lines: 27 BrenchleyR said:- >>Theres nothing happening though is there? I remember the days of >>SAMSon, 100 mails a day and the like - okay so it turned out to be >>hoax project, but at least we had some decent debate going on. >> >It is not a hoax, the project continues, albeit a little slow - I will get >there in the end. Bob, All I can say is - I really, really, hope that this is true. It would be nice to see the SAMson released. :) __ James R Curry - James@lhutz.demon.co.uk "You never know when an old calendar might come in handy. Sure, it's not 1985 right now, but who knows what tomorrow will bring?" - Homer Simpson, The Simpsons. The official James R Curry web page - Very soon, I promise. Honest. Ah, come on, you believe me, don't you?! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Dec 8 23:06:56 1997 Message-Id: <348C7CD5.F0B68D61@cableol.co.uk> Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 23:03:49 +0000 From: SparkY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Pause X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <00256567.004D731F.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 198 Lines: 5 Quick question - I haven't done any BASIC programming in ages - is there anyway to make the user wait out the length of time specified after pause? (I.e. Hitting a key doesn't end the pause) Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Dec 8 23:59:12 1997 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <348C7CD5.F0B68D61@cableol.co.uk> References: <00256567.004D731F.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 23:47:26 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Pause X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id XAA07358 Status: RO Content-Length: 762 Lines: 21 At 11:03 pm +0000 8/12/97, SparkY wrote: >Quick question - I haven't done any BASIC programming in ages - is >there anyway to make the user wait out the length of time specified >after pause? (I.e. Hitting a key doesn't end the pause) > >Gavin FOR i = 1 TO n:PAUSE 1:NEXT i Andrew --- +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ | Andrew Collier | LOKTLOKTNVS'n'0TTDS'n'3LOKTLOKTYRUAQT1YRUAT3 | | 1B NatSci at Selwyn | ICUQ4LADB4U2R1ICXp2M£UICXp4XTC | | Contact: asc25@cam.ac.uk | 1-0 1-0B9'n'RTB4IOUATUR32NV0 | | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk | ICAG#2?RSVPASAP'nIC.B2KTICQTRIP | +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+rew From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Dec 9 00:12:36 1997 Message-Id: <348C8C30.F8470E11@cableol.co.uk> Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 00:09:20 +0000 From: SparkY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Pause X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <00256567.004D731F.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 444 Lines: 17 Andrew Collier wrote: > > At 11:03 pm +0000 8/12/97, SparkY wrote: > >Quick question - I haven't done any BASIC programming in ages - is > >there anyway to make the user wait out the length of time specified > >after pause? (I.e. Hitting a key doesn't end the pause) > > > >Gavin > > FOR i = 1 TO n:PAUSE 1:NEXT i > > Andrew Cheers :) Never occurred to me at the time (Colin Piggot and Dave Ledbury also suggested similar solutions) Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Dec 9 01:13:48 1997 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 97 23:23:22 GMT Message-ID: <830_OASIS_@lhutz.demon.co.uk> From: James@lhutz.demon.co.uk (James R Curry) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Mailer: OASIS Post Box (Atari) v1.31E Subject: Re: Wow! X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 491 Lines: 22 Dave said:- >Going to have a go at an HTML reader/browser type thing over Christmas Gimme, gimme, gimme, gimme, gimme! __ James R Curry - James@lhutz.demon.co.uk "You never know when an old calendar might come in handy. Sure, it's not 1985 right now, but who knows what tomorrow will bring?" - Homer Simpson, The Simpsons. The official James R Curry web page - Very soon, I promise. Honest. Ah, come on, you believe me, don't you?! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Dec 9 10:34:24 1997 Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 04:31:53 EST From: "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FRED / Kaboom Message-Id: <19971209093232Z49171-6776+1125@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 905 Lines: 31 Date: 1997-12-09 09:26 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 15:43:21 +0000 (GMT) >From: Dave >To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no >Subject: Re: FRED / Kaboom > > >1. What could be wrong with a SAM which never starts up, *except* when the > disk/printer interface is plugged in the back and then only with the > aid of the reset button? > > It's not the RAM, the ROM, or the ASIC (I've swapped them all with an > identical (working) machine. there are a bank of 8 resistors located front left by one of the keyboard connectors. I have seen occasions where these are not all the same value which IIRC is 470R. Also sometimes one of the thick film resistor packages have been inserted reversed. A dot denotes the common pin. Check the RC reset network on the right hand side of the main pcb. HTH Nev. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Dec 9 14:19:21 1997 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 14:10:30 +0000 To: "Sam users' mailing list" From: Andrew Collier Subject: Merry Christmas X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id OAA28938 Status: RO Content-Length: 555 Lines: 17 Merry Christmas and a happy new year everyone. Byebye for now.... Andrew --- +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ | Andrew Collier | LOKTLOKTNVS'n'0TTDS'n'3LOKTLOKTYRUAQT1YRUAT3 | | 1B NatSci at Selwyn | ICUQ4LADB4U2R1ICXp2M£UICXp4XTC | | Contact: asc25@cam.ac.uk | 1-0 1-0B9'n'RTB4IOUATUR32NV0 | | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk | ICAG#2?RSVPASAP'nIC.B2KTICQTRIP | +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Dec 9 19:26:43 1997 Message-Id: <199712091921.TAA23600@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 19:21:29 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: FRED / Kaboom References: <4c809bbe.348725e1@aol.com> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 686 Lines: 14 > 2. How could I connect a SAM to my SVGA monitor? It's completely industry > standard (being an unheard-of make) and capable of up to 1024*768 > interlaced and 800*600 non-interlaced. d'you know what i would do? i'd make sure i had a tv capture card installed on my pc, so I could use the monitor as yr common-or-garden tee vee. except, of course, i'd plug the sam into the aerial input socket on said card. not yr best method, but since you can get a tv capture/display card for something like 75 quid (and that's legitimately... computer fairs and the like are bound to have the odd 50 quid job) it's not *too* expensive. or kinda free, if you already have the card. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Dec 9 19:40:37 1997 Message-Id: <199712091927.TAA24214@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 19:26:59 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Wow! In-reply-to: <199712081531.PAA15058@p1.comlab.ox.ac.uk> References: <3.0.1.32.19971208014923.007c4e90@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> from "Simon Cooke" at Dec 8, 97 01:49:23 am X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 943 Lines: 26 > This is true. Either you choose 16 and stick with them or you count the > most popular 16 colours in the images you are trying to display. oooh, noooo! never do that! if you choose the most popular 16 colors in the image you are at risk of losing elements of the picture that are displayed in the more 'uncommon' colors. example: a picture made up of a background (textured, eg, granite) with a small yellow icon in the center of the screen (eg, smiley face guy) if you choose the 16 most popular colors, yr gonna basically pick out 16 of the greys that are in the granite background, and totally lose the yellow guy! (or at least he'll end up grey) you really need to choose the 16 most DIFFERENT colors, with some sort of frequency-in-image tiebreaker kinda thing i guess. this is just me talking from experience with colordepth reduction and stuff... i don't know any algorithms that'll do this selection for you. dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Dec 9 19:40:39 1997 Message-Id: <199712091928.TAA24371@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 19:28:29 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: OHh (Was: FRED / Kaboom) In-reply-to: <00256567.004D731F.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 571 Lines: 12 > Even so, my landlord won't allow me access to the phone line > (we got this really expensive phone box - hence the reason > why I bought the mobbly! It's cheaper for long distance!!!!) and > I don't intend on forking out more money for a new phone line to > be put in especially since I intend on moving out as soon as I learn to > drive!! we've got a phone in our uni flat, but it's incoming only (well, you can make outgoing freefone and 999 calls and stuff, but nuttin else) but then again, i don't ever phone people because i'm a git. and i don't have a modem. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Dec 9 19:40:39 1997 Message-Id: <199712091929.TAA24493@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 19:29:34 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: OHh (Was: FRED / Kaboom) In-reply-to: References: <199712081134.LAA14258@p1.comlab.ox.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 245 Lines: 6 > Yep it's true. But at least you get to play Jedi Knight! Surely the best > Doom-game EVER. :) not played it yet (as in, not bought it yet) although i bought quake the other day for 12 quid, and patched it up to glquake and it looks lurvely. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Dec 9 19:40:39 1997 Message-Id: <199712091931.TAA24634@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 19:30:49 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Wow! In-reply-to: <199712081211.MAA14402@p1.comlab.ox.ac.uk> References: <199712081047.KAA00353@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> from "Dave Hooper" at Dec 8, 97 10:47:00 am X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 344 Lines: 7 > Oh yeah, I did. However, it is a moderately big project involving kernel > and BIOS hacking. I might get round to it eventually. see, that's why i like win 95. 'almost intuitive interface' and 'the ability to sometimes actually do what, maybe, you'know, you want to do'. i can only assume yr using linux or something. 'for programmers' From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Dec 9 19:40:41 1997 Message-Id: <199712091936.TAA25214@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 19:35:57 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Wow! In-reply-to: <3.0.1.32.19971208015007.007c4ea0@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 588 Lines: 18 > I'd second that! Greyscale is the way to go. > > Or even, just strip the images. hmmm... i'll work on some sort of proto-image thingie which gives you a kindof idea of what the picture looks like in color... depending on how it turns out, could be better than greyscale, or could be worse (only, it'd be in color) surely better than stripping the images? you'd have a little black outlined rectangle, with the picture icon in the topleft corner, and the ALT= text saying something 'useful' like 'this is a picture' ... and it'd suck... just a personal opinion (as ever) #:) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Dec 9 20:20:24 1997 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 20:17:05 +0000 (GMT) From: Dave To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: FRED / Kaboom In-Reply-To: <199712091921.TAA23600@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 691 Lines: 14 On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, Dave Hooper wrote: > > 2. How could I connect a SAM to my SVGA monitor? It's completely industry > > standard (being an unheard-of make) and capable of up to 1024*768 > > interlaced and 800*600 non-interlaced. > > d'you know what i would do? i'd make sure i had a tv capture card > installed on my pc, so I could use the monitor as yr common-or-garden > tee vee. except, of course, i'd plug the sam into the aerial input > socket on said card. Yes, I'd wondered about that. My main reservation is that this surely means that I've got to have my PC turned on the whole time as well. It's also still a little too expensive for me. Maybe in a year or two... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Dec 9 20:57:05 1997 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <16c1b2f5.348dadc0@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 15:44:45 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: OHh (Was: FRED / Kaboom) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 600 Lines: 18 In a message dated 08/12/97 19:36:09, you write: >Even so, my landlord won't allow me access to the phone line >(we got this really expensive phone box - hence the reason >why I bought the mobbly! It's cheaper for long distance!!!!) and >I don't intend on forking out more money for a new phone line to >be put in especially since I intend on moving out as soon as I learn to >drive!! > >Justin. Article in today's Telegraph says it is cheaper to phone the UK from a mobile phone in Australia than it is to call mobile to mobile in Britain. Another bit of useless information for you :) -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Dec 9 20:57:06 1997 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <69c500f5.348dadbd@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 15:44:42 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: A couple things... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 645 Lines: 22 In a message dated 08/12/97 12:32:32, you write: >I did get it, thanks. I got it as soon as I got home from work the day I >sent the >original email. Reading the mag, it gave a very good reason for it being >late and I still feel guilty about that email. Sorry.... > >justin. No probs :) It was late :( Partly my fault for having such a caring nature (first person to laugh gets shot). However, FORMAT PC is even futher behind because my mae who was (still is) very ill, is also my photocopier engineer and the bl$%dy thing has gone down in sympathy :( Still, it is nearly Christmas :) What is everybody asking Santa for this year? -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Dec 9 20:57:07 1997 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <54e33df5.348dadc0@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 15:44:43 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: *blinks* Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 147 Lines: 9 In a message dated 08/12/97 12:32:45, you write: >Now.. Games don't normally impress me at all.. But.. Wow! >I like it! Told you so. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Dec 9 20:57:07 1997 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 15:44:46 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: FRED / Kaboom Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1032 Lines: 25 In a message dated 08/12/97 22:24:37, you write: >>It is not a hoax, the project continues, albeit a little slow - I will get >>there in the end. > >Bob, All I can say is - I really, really, hope that this is true. It >would be nice to see the SAMson released. :) >__ > > James R Curry Well, I've now got myself (with very little time I'm afraid) and two others looking at the ROM and DOS. Currently I need to build another of the MGT SRAM boards to help that along (Nev's super sram board may well come later). Next step is a look at a graphics board, but I'm having problems getting the details of how some of the existing graphics chip-sets work - the normal reply is "you connect them up like this to an AT/PCI bus and away you go." When I say "Ah, but it ain't for a PC" all I get is the cold shoulder. Now, although it may be considered a backward step, I am also investigating the standard ISA Bus, working on the princible that there are a lot of cards still available that will fit that bus. Any comments welcome. From imc Tue Dec 9 21:29:31 1997 Subject: Re: A couple of things... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 21:29:31 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <69c500f5.348dadbd@aol.com> from "BrenchleyR" at Dec 9, 97 03:44:42 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 228 Lines: 7 On Tue, 9 Dec 1997 15:44:42 EST, BrenchleyR said: > What is everybody asking Santa for this year? We were just discussing that, and a popular choice was "the ability not to need sleep". Oh, and an extra day in the week. imc From imc Tue Dec 9 21:41:13 1997 Subject: Re: Wow! To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 21:41:13 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <199712091931.TAA24634@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> from "Dave Hooper" at Dec 9, 97 07:30:49 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 747 Lines: 18 On Tue, 9 Dec 1997 19:30:49 +0000, Dave Hooper said: > > Oh yeah, I did. However, it is a moderately big project involving kernel > > and BIOS hacking. I might get round to it eventually. > see, that's why i like win 95. 'almost intuitive interface' and 'the > ability to sometimes actually do what, maybe, you'know, you want to > do'. Plus 'the ability to stay up for at least half an hour' and 'the ability to buy expensive software that nearly does what you want'. :-) > i can only assume yr using linux or something. 'for programmers' I am using Linux. It's not just 'for programmers'. If I were desparate for more than 16 colours I would buy an X server - but it costs $250, which is why I'd rather attempt to write one. imc From imc Tue Dec 9 21:42:35 1997 Subject: Re: OHh (Was: FRED / Kaboom) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 21:42:35 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <199712091928.TAA24371@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> from "Dave Hooper" at Dec 9, 97 07:28:29 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 251 Lines: 7 On Tue, 9 Dec 1997 19:28:29 +0000, Dave Hooper said: > we've got a phone in our uni flat, but it's incoming only (well, you > can make outgoing freefone and 999 calls and stuff, but nuttin else) Does it take incoming reverse-charge calls? :-) imc From imc Tue Dec 9 21:47:22 1997 Subject: Re: Wow! To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 21:47:22 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <199712091927.TAA24214@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> from "Dave Hooper" at Dec 9, 97 07:26:59 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 806 Lines: 23 On Tue, 9 Dec 1997 19:26:59 +0000, Dave Hooper said: > if you choose the most popular 16 colors in the image you are at risk > of losing elements of the picture that are displayed in the more > 'uncommon' colors. > example: a picture made up of a background (textured, eg, granite) > with a small yellow icon in the center of the screen (eg, smiley face > guy) All algorithms will have their pathological cases. > if you choose the 16 most popular colors, yr gonna basically pick out > 16 of the greys that are in the granite background, and totally lose > the yellow guy! (or at least he'll end up grey) The Sam doesn't have 16 kinds of grey, so that's not much of a risk. :-) > i don't know any algorithms that'll do this selection for > you. Well that would have been nice... imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Dec 9 22:26:02 1997 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 15:44:44 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Wow! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 633 Lines: 25 In a message dated 08/12/97 19:35:55, you write: >>The other alternative, of course, is just to do everything in greyscale. >>That would probably be a lot easier, and will certainly look less cheesy >>than trying to reduce the colour so heavily. I mean, even Netscape >>struggles with so few as 256 colours.... >> >>Andrew > >I'd second that! Greyscale is the way to go. > >Or even, just strip the images. > >Simon Or put in a box with an image name and store the image for seperate display if required. One problem though, there are a growing number of sites that are nothing but images. Oh well, such in progress.... -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Dec 9 23:03:30 1997 Message-ID: <19971209220606.16859.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [138.251.118.77] From: Colin Piggot To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: *blinks* Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 14:06:06 PST X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 917 Lines: 23 >>Now.. Games don't normally impress me at all.. But.. Wow! >>I like it! > >Told you so. It does seem that Stratosphere is going down a treat! Colin P. +--------------------------------------------------------+ | QUAZAR SURROUND soundcard... 16 bit sound on Sam! | | STRATOSPHERE - Fast Mode 4 3d Vector Action! | +------------------------+-------------------------------+ | Colin Piggot | __ ___ __ | | c_piggot@hotmail.com | /| | | | | / | | |\ | | | / | | | |__| / |__| |_\ | | Email your postal | /_\| |__| | | /__ | | | \ | | address for 14+ page | | | booklet about products | HARDWARE AND SOFTWARE FOR SAM | +------------------------+-------------------------------+ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From imc Tue Dec 9 23:46:00 1997 Subject: Re: Wow! To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 23:46:00 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <199712092147.VAA07798@p1.comlab.ox.ac.uk> from "Ian Collier" at Dec 9, 97 09:47:22 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 577 Lines: 12 > example: a picture made up of a background (textured, eg, granite) > with a small yellow icon in the center of the screen (eg, smiley face > guy) Incidentally I just tried this with ppmquant (I made a background pattern with black, grey, pink and a couple of blues, then drew a tiny green and red face in the middle). The image had 9 colours, and I reduced it to 6. The thing in the middle turned black. The algorithm used by ppmquant is based on a technical paper. So I think trying to preserve small details at any cost is not the best colour reduction algorithm. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Dec 10 00:34:54 1997 Message-Id: <348DE2C6.A0A970CE@cableol.co.uk> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 00:31:02 +0000 From: SparkY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: *blinks* X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <54e33df5.348dadc0@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 317 Lines: 16 BrenchleyR wrote: > > In a message dated 08/12/97 12:32:45, you write: > > >Now.. Games don't normally impress me at all.. But.. Wow! > >I like it! > > Told you so. > > -- > Bob. I hate to push the point, but as you are so impressed, maybe you should buy it instead of telling everyone else to buy it :) Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Dec 10 11:00:15 1997 Message-Id: <199712101046.KAA23842@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 10:46:05 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Wow! In-reply-to: <199712092346.XAA08182@p1.comlab.ox.ac.uk> References: <199712092147.VAA07798@p1.comlab.ox.ac.uk> from "Ian Collier" at Dec 9, 97 09:47:22 pm X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 475 Lines: 12 > The thing in the middle turned black. The algorithm used by ppmquant is > based on a technical paper. So I think trying to preserve small details > at any cost is not the best colour reduction algorithm. maybe it's not a very good technical paper? ;) seriously though, i don't really think reducing nine colors down to six is worth much... reducing 256 to 14, say, 'd be more useful... but as i say, i'm working on an algorithm (kinda got one, but it's slooowwwww) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Dec 10 11:00:15 1997 Message-Id: <199712101050.KAA24365@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 10:49:29 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: A couple of things... In-reply-to: <199712092129.VAA07718@p1.comlab.ox.ac.uk> References: <69c500f5.348dadbd@aol.com> from "BrenchleyR" at Dec 9, 97 03:44:42 pm X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 669 Lines: 22 > We were just discussing that, and a popular choice was "the ability not > to need sleep". Oh, and an extra day in the week. i need an extra day this week. you know how it is. lazy student slacker attitudes, essay on operating systems deadline in t-2 days, and there's only three copies of the textbook in the whole of edinburgh... oh yeh: this might sound childish but i hate essays. did i ever tell anyone that? i mean, you start work in the real world (like) and you're not going to be writing essays, now, are you? hmmm... i think i might have just started sounding like a fourteen year old... dave mom! dukes of hazard is starting! start the vcr! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Dec 10 11:00:17 1997 Message-Id: <199712101050.KAA24452@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 10:50:23 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: FRED / Kaboom References: <199712091921.TAA23600@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 337 Lines: 7 > Yes, I'd wondered about that. My main reservation is that this surely > means that I've got to have my PC turned on the whole time as well. It's > also still a little too expensive for me. Maybe in a year or two... .. or the sam emulator thingie... although if yr gonna be mucking around with hardware it's not much of an option From imc Wed Dec 10 11:24:53 1997 Subject: Re: A couple of things... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 11:24:53 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <199712101050.KAA24365@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> from "Dave Hooper" at Dec 10, 97 10:49:29 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 332 Lines: 10 > oh yeh: this might sound childish but i hate essays. did i ever tell > anyone that? i mean, you start work in the real world (like) and > you're not going to be writing essays, now, are you? What subject are you doing then? And anyway it helps you to be literate, which you will need for writing job application letters. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Dec 10 12:01:32 1997 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <00256569.00414E29.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 11:55:44 +0000 Subject: Re: A couple things... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 230 Lines: 14 >>>> Mr. Bob wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Still, it is nearly Christmas :) What is everybody asking Santa for this year? <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< 1) Quazar Surround 2) Second brain cell. :) 3) Lots of money 4) ....... Justin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Dec 10 12:07:57 1997 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <00256569.00419E92.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 12:02:36 +0000 Subject: Re: FRED / Kaboom Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 681 Lines: 21 >>>>>>>>>>> Now, although it may be considered a backward step, I am also investigating the standard ISA Bus, working on the princible that there are a lot of cards still available that will fit that bus. <<<<<<<<<<<< Now. That would be on my hardware shopping list... Not only do we get a half decent graphics card, but we'll get to have lots of other PC based hardware to play around with such as comm (serial, parallel, modem, fax) cards, external drives, SCSI, my GUS soundcard, etc. (if someone cared to write the drivers) Not only that, imagine getting one of those ISA plugin tv cards and watching TV over the SAM on a TV display... That'll be interesting..... Justin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Dec 10 15:11:18 1997 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 14:28:18 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: OHh (Was: FRED / Kaboom) In-Reply-To: <199712091929.TAA24493@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a <8OHKkEUpoELRXgFKFsA4hwDBr8> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 911 Lines: 22 In message <199712091929.TAA24493@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk>, Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> writes >> Yep it's true. But at least you get to play Jedi Knight! Surely the best >> Doom-game EVER. :) > >not played it yet (as in, not bought it yet) >although i bought quake the other day for 12 quid, and patched it up >to glquake and it looks lurvely. It certainly is a nice game. What sorta PC are you using and what sorta fps are you getting (at 640x400)? Graham -- /====================================================\ +--------------+ | My proverb for this week: | |This Space For| | "The less bits, the less can go wrong... | | Hire - Ideal | | Unless you wobble something important at the back" | |For Weddings &| \==Graham Goring - graham@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk==/ | Bahmitzvas | My Website, coming to a server near you - SOON +--------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Dec 10 15:11:21 1997 From: The Mad Goose Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 14:42:14 GMT+0 Subject: Re: Pause X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <127ED0CBD@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 528 Lines: 18 > Thanks for using NetForward! > http://www.netforward.com > v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v > > Quick question - I haven't done any BASIC programming in ages - is > there anyway to make the user wait out the length of time specified > after pause? (I.e. Hitting a key doesn't end the pause) I always use FOR...NEXT loops...but then my programming is really messy... > > Gavin > Peace, Love, Kisses... Johnna Pig Teare (JohnnaPig@deathsdoor.com) "Living in a new world, thinking in the past..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Dec 10 15:37:35 1997 From: The Mad Goose Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 15:21:53 GMT+0 Subject: Re: FRED / Kaboom X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <1C50E5077@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 485 Lines: 13 Anyone got any more info on BDOS, and especially what advantasges it will have over SAMDos if used only for floppies? Two or three years ago a hard drive would have been an essential purchase for my SAM, but I use it so rarely these days I don't think I'll buy one yet. Unless some money comes my way. What kind of prices are we looking at at the minute anyway? Peace, Love, Kisses... Johnna Pig Teare (JohnnaPig@deathsdoor.com) "Living in a new world, thinking in the past..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Dec 10 16:12:03 1997 From: The Mad Goose Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 15:56:33 GMT+0 Subject: Re: Wow! X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <24518479F@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 378 Lines: 17 > Pitlane -- which was going to be converted to the Sega Game Gear at one > point -- but it was shelved. > > And you're right -- it wasn't finished ;) is there anything left of it that can be ressurected? How far did it get to completion? > > Simon > > Peace, Love, Kisses... Johnna Pig Teare (JohnnaPig@deathsdoor.com) "Living in a new world, thinking in the past..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Dec 10 20:23:56 1997 Message-Id: <199712102015.UAA01510@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 20:14:35 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: OHh (Was: FRED / Kaboom) In-reply-to: References: <199712091929.TAA24493@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 702 Lines: 15 > It certainly is a nice game. What sorta PC are you using and what sorta > fps are you getting (at 640x400)? K6-233 (underclocked at 225Mhz... advantage is i can use the 75Mhz bus), 3dfx (running at 55mhz with PCI 2.1 stuff). glquake is giving me something like 27fps at 640x480, full screen, i think. smallest screen size gives me a shade under 50fps. at least, i think its 640x480. dunno really. different stuff gives different frame rates... the orchid logo demo (dunno if you know it) gives me around 55fps at 640x480 if you know any decent benchmarky testsy stuff, let me know (other than glquake's "timedemo demo2") especially stuff that uses directX (especially Dx5) and 3dfx (glide) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Dec 10 20:23:57 1997 Message-Id: <199712102017.UAA01678@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 20:17:25 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: A couple of things... In-reply-to: <199712101124.LAA09675@p1.comlab.ox.ac.uk> References: <199712101050.KAA24365@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> from "Dave Hooper" at Dec 10, 97 10:49:29 am X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 343 Lines: 11 > What subject are you doing then? computer science, strangely enough. essays's for operating systems module. > And anyway it helps you to be literate, which you will need for writing > job application letters. yep, but experience comes in handy too. and where i last worked, everyone was kinda illiterate. but also earning lots of money. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Dec 10 22:55:27 1997 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 16:29:16 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: A couple of things... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 350 Lines: 14 In a message dated 10/12/97 00:50:35, you write: >> What is everybody asking Santa for this year? > >We were just discussing that, and a popular choice was "the ability not >to need sleep". Oh, and an extra day in the week. > >imc The first I mastered years ago, the second.... Well send your letter off to Santa and see what happens :) -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Dec 10 22:55:27 1997 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <7e6de6a9.348f09c2@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 16:29:35 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: A couple of things... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 918 Lines: 30 In a message dated 10/12/97 11:51:59, you write: >> We were just discussing that, and a popular choice was "the ability not >> to need sleep". Oh, and an extra day in the week. > > >i need an extra day this week. you know how it is. lazy student >slacker attitudes, essay on operating systems deadline in t-2 days, >and there's only three copies of the textbook in the whole of >edinburgh... > > >oh yeh: this might sound childish but i hate essays. did i ever tell >anyone that? i mean, you start work in the real world (like) and >you're not going to be writing essays, now, are you? Yes, works of fiction you write all the time. Depending on your level they are either called time sheets or expence accounts. Either way they have as much to do with reality as the essays you write now. > >hmmm... i think i might have just started sounding like a fourteen >year old... No, 12 maybe :) > > >dave -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Dec 10 22:55:27 1997 Subject: Re: A couple of things... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 22:15:37 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <199712101050.KAA24365@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> from "Dave Hooper" at Dec 10, 97 10:49:29 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <19971210221711Z49959-6776+2494@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 935 Lines: 27 > oh yeh: this might sound childish but i hate essays. did i ever tell > anyone that? i mean, you start work in the real world (like) and > you're not going to be writing essays, now, are you? > > hmmm... i think i might have just started sounding like a fourteen > year old... > *grins* Nope, no essays -- if you're working in a McJob(tm) If, however, you're working in computers,a nd are trying to get your latest ideas over to management / presenatations for customers / training users / whatever, htne expect your essay writing skills to come to the fore. It's useful to haveas a skill -- and it does get easy with practice. Alternatively, you could stay somewhere near the bottom of the corporate food chain, working for peanuts. (I'm leaving academia out of this -- after all, essaysare a given there) Urgh... really bad laptopkeyboard here... Simon (From Florida.... at the Computer MEasurement Group show...) From imc Wed Dec 10 23:58:10 1997 Subject: Re: A couple of things... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 23:58:10 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <7e6de6a9.348f09c2@aol.com> from "BrenchleyR" at Dec 10, 97 04:29:35 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 304 Lines: 8 On Wed, 10 Dec 1997 16:29:35 EST, BrenchleyR said: > Yes, works of fiction you write all the time. Depending on your level they are > either called time sheets or expence accounts. Either way they have as much to > do with reality as the essays you write now. You forgot "computer documentation". imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Dec 11 11:02:22 1997 Message-Id: <199712111046.KAA23655@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:45:42 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: A couple of things... In-reply-to: <199712102358.XAA12494@p1.comlab.ox.ac.uk> References: <7e6de6a9.348f09c2@aol.com> from "BrenchleyR" at Dec 10, 97 04:29:35 pm X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1638 Lines: 47 > You forgot "computer documentation". now, see, i don't have a problem with documentation. one of them many things i had to do with this company over last summer was documenting some of their development processes, which in turn involved documenting how they used some specific database somethingorother. the company was so allovertheshop that it was a major team effort just getting one of the docs finished. but, you know, i was proud of it. and the timesheets i had to fill in... i could hardly put in 'downloading manic miner for the pc - 1 hour. playing manic miner - 4 hours trying to remove traces of the installation at the end of the day - 2 hours' every single day, could i? but that's irrelevent. the essay (which i have now finished after staying awake around 30 hours... and i'm still feeling up for action) involved, and i quote, 'detailed technical descriptions' of specific functionality in Unix and WinNT. In the end I wrote about process and thread structure, blah blah, and CPU scheduling and memory management, blah. the bit which pissed me off was the 'around 3000 words' bit. i don't see how 3000 words is enough for a detailed technical document like this... so i wrote 4500 and even then i was annoyed that i missed so much out. it just wasn't a real world problem. it wouldn't ever come about in the future. 'ok dave, we've got the guys from InJex coming over tommorrow so i want to make sure you'll have those technical documents finished. oh, but make sure they've got less than 3000 words! or i'll cut your wages! ' am i making sense? or am i just paranoid/stupid/tired ? dave From imc Thu Dec 11 21:18:52 1997 Subject: Re: A couple of things... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 21:18:52 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <199712111046.KAA23655@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> from "Dave Hooper" at Dec 11, 97 10:45:42 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 373 Lines: 10 On Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:45:42 +0000, Dave Hooper said: > 'ok dave, we've got the guys from InJex coming over tommorrow so i > want to make sure you'll have those technical documents finished. oh, > but make sure they've got less than 3000 words! or i'll cut your > wages! ' Conciseness (concisity?) is a virtue. My D.Phil. thesis only contains about 25000 words. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Dec 12 12:45:19 1997 Message-Id: <199712121234.MAA01617@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 12:34:18 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: A couple of things... In-reply-to: <199712112118.VAA20805@p1.comlab.ox.ac.uk> References: <199712111046.KAA23655@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> from "Dave Hooper" at Dec 11, 97 10:45:42 am X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 819 Lines: 17 > Conciseness (concisity?) is a virtue. My D.Phil. thesis only contains > about 25000 words. is that good? seems a lot to me but then i don't know what your thesis was about. concisity is a virtue i guess, but it's pretty crippling when you could easily, and yet succintly, write a concise 8000-word technical document about process and thread control, synchronization, cpu scheduling (inlcuding multiprocessor support) and memory management facilities and policies under UNIX and NT, but you have a limit of 3000 to get your point across. Which can only be done by missing out detail, which means you either have to leave sections out, or in fact make it less technical than maybe it should be. i think i've finished moaning now. it weighs in at 4500 words and has two illustrations. it will give me a C. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Dec 12 16:59:40 1997 Message-Id: <199712121638.QAA11867@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 16:37:50 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: another term ends... X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 164 Lines: 11 well, my last email until to the new year. at least, the last one from uni. if i have anything interesting to say over krimbo then i'll find a way. ciao dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Dec 12 17:22:23 1997 From: The Mad Goose Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 17:12:35 GMT+0 Subject: Re: another term ends... X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 416 Lines: 18 > well, my last email until to the new year. > at least, the last one from uni. > Aye...and I'll be going too I reckon... > if i have anything interesting to say over krimbo then i'll find a > way. > Bet the list'll go quiet now all the students are going home for crimle ;-) Peace, Love, Kisses... Johnna Pig Teare JPOL: http://www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna "Living in a new world, thinking in the past..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Dec 12 18:29:30 1997 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 17:46:00 +0000 From: Dan Doore Organization: * To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no (SAM-USER@SMTP {sam-users@nvg.unit.no}) Subject: RE: another term ends... Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.30A MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 558 Lines: 28 > well, my last email until to the new year. > at least, the last one from uni. See you later, and the rest of you academic scuffers with no work to do :-) > if i have anything interesting to say over krimbo then i'll find a > way. Let's hope Santa brings you a shift key... >;-> Happy Chrimbo people. Incidentally, I've been podding around on Aley's page (SAA1099 emulator) and I can find no sign of the TSR to give sound to SimCoupe - do I actually have to *mail* him to get it? Communication? Heaven forfend! Dan. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Dec 13 11:54:14 1997 Message-ID: <349275D0.26A3@ndirect.co.uk> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 11:47:28 +0000 From: Nev Young Organization: ndirect X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: another term ends... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 837 Lines: 28 The Mad Goose wrote: > > > well, my last email until to the new year. > > at least, the last one from uni. > > > > Aye...and I'll be going too I reckon... > > Bet the list'll go quiet now all the students are going home for > crimle ;-) > Righ now they've gone lets start a real conversation. Hands up every one who knows Beth. (small world init!) -- ---------------------------------------------------- | | |This site is developing self awareness | |(Oh no I'm not. cognito ergo P120-S) | |--------------------------------------------------| |Home nevilley @ ndirect.co.uk | |Work gbh3rknr @ ibmmail.com | |http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~nevilley/homepage.htm | ---------------------------------------------------- From imc Sat Dec 13 14:09:17 1997 Subject: Re: A couple of things... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 14:09:17 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <6822a06.34928ac5@aol.com> from "BrenchleyR" at Dec 13, 97 08:16:51 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 260 Lines: 8 On Sat, 13 Dec 1997 08:16:51 EST, BrenchleyR said: > The first I mastered years ago, the second.... Well send your letter off to > Santa and see what happens :) Um, you sent this message several days ago... (and the one about works of fiction as well). imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Dec 13 17:29:59 1997 Message-Id: <199712131717.RAA03061@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Paul Walker To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 17:17:02 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: FRED / Kaboom In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 588 Lines: 17 > Now, although it may be considered a backward step, I am also investigating > the standard ISA Bus, working on the princible that there are a lot of cards > still available that will fit that bus. ISA is definitely still usable, but the problem is that most stuff is now moving over to PCI, so SAMSon sooner or later be left in the same position as SAM now is - based around components that are old and no longer made. (Exaggeration? Just see how many ISA cards are still being sold.) Paul -- You are no longer part of "the system". We are above "the system". Over it. Beyond it. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Dec 13 17:29:59 1997 Message-Id: <199712131717.RAA03004@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Paul Walker To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 17:17:02 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: OHh (Was: FRED / Kaboom) In-reply-to: <199712091929.TAA24493@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 410 Lines: 15 > although i bought quake the other day for 12 quid, and patched it up > to glquake and it looks lurvely. With Quake, unfortunately, it's a case of "looks lovely, shame it doesn't play as well as Doom". At least, that's my opinion. I seem to be on my own, unfortunately. I just don't happen to like the game. Paul -- You are no longer part of "the system". We are above "the system". Over it. Beyond it. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Dec 13 17:29:59 1997 Message-Id: <199712131717.RAA03042@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Paul Walker To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 17:17:02 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Wow! In-reply-to: <199712081211.MAA14402@p1.comlab.ox.ac.uk> References: <199712081047.KAA00353@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> from "Dave Hooper" at Dec 8, 97 10:47:00 am X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 314 Lines: 12 > Oh yeah, I did. However, it is a moderately big project involving kernel > and BIOS hacking. I might get round to it eventually. Linux comes with an X server, doesn't it? Why not just increase the depth in that? Paul -- You are no longer part of "the system". We are above "the system". Over it. Beyond it. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Dec 13 17:30:00 1997 Message-Id: <199712131718.RAA03090@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Paul Walker To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 17:17:02 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: OHh (Was: FRED / Kaboom) In-reply-to: <00256567.00352569.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 349 Lines: 13 > From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk > And the internet, in my opinion, is way over-rated so. Even if I did have a > PC, I wouldn't bother connecting it to any of the ISPs since they over charge Interesting, coming from a .co.uk address. Paul -- You are no longer part of "the system". We are above "the system". Over it. Beyond it. From imc Sat Dec 13 19:06:48 1997 Subject: Re: Wow! To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 19:06:48 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <199712131717.RAA03042@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> from "Paul Walker" at Dec 13, 97 05:17:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 552 Lines: 12 On Sat, 13 Dec 1997 17:17:02 +0000, Paul Walker said: > Linux comes with an X server, doesn't it? Why not just increase the > depth in that? Because it ain't possible. A specific server for this chipset costs $250 (+$35 postage) and I'm not that desperate. A free server won't be written until Neomagic publishes a hardware manual, and it doesn't look like they are going to. A generic server using BIOS functions should be possible but hasn't been written yet. I don't know why not (but I imagine I'm going to find out when I attempt it). imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Dec 13 22:00:30 1997 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <53ed52e6.3493012b@aol.com> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 16:42:00 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: A couple of things... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 491 Lines: 17 In a message dated 13/12/97 14:15:58, you write: > On Sat, 13 Dec 1997 08:16:51 EST, BrenchleyR said: > > The first I mastered years ago, the second.... Well send your letter off > to > > Santa and see what happens :) > > Um, you sent this message several days ago... (and the one about works > of fiction as well). > > imc It is AOL, they suffered a major crash with their email system a couple of days ago and this is a side effect of the recovery (or so they say). -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Dec 13 22:00:30 1997 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 16:51:55 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: another term ends... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 264 Lines: 14 In a message dated 13/12/97 16:49:01, you write: > > Righ now they've gone lets start a real conversation. > Hands up every one who knows Beth. Yes, well nearly. > > (small world init!) You try walking around it, then you will change your mind. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Dec 14 11:13:29 1997 From: Matthew Craven Organization: UMIST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 10:59:18 BST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: How about an original title for a message? In-reply-to: <199712131717.RAA03004@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> References: <199712091929.TAA24493@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.52) Message-ID: <1AC9DED62ED@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 355 Lines: 10 > With Quake, unfortunately, it's a case of "looks lovely, shame it > doesn't play as well as Doom". > > At least, that's my opinion. I seem to be on my own, unfortunately. I > just don't happen to like the game. I think you're absolutely right Paul - and the controls are very strange to say the least - so it is not as easy to play as Doom. MJC. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Dec 14 11:38:39 1997 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 12:32:49 -0500 (EST) From: Tim Paveley To: Sam Users Mailing List Subject: Fred & web pages & dissertations Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2739 Lines: 65 Web pages - If people don't want to update there web pages, fine, don't look at them! Lets face it, most peoples pages out there are crap and simply contian links to all tier friends pages. Do people care if they don't add a new friends page to thiers? I did have a hot list of about 30 different pages of people related to the sam in one way or another. NEver bothered looking at any of them again, either because they didn't change, or because what was they had no content! It would be nice to have some definitive sam site, that had everything on it, about every company with no bias, and independantly run so wasn't just an advert for someones product. That's what I always hoped for the scrapbook, but since I only ever bought fred, I missed out on a lot of what happened with other people so never had the info to set up with. I'm hoping shrortly to have a PC, which means I'll have some fancy method of having my pages at home, and then getting them to update on mono.org each night. Hopefully then I'll be able to put a lot more into them, and catch up with all the bits of paper I have, rather than just make a batch of minor adjustments once a month. (Aside to david: I do have all you comments, just waiting until I next visit my gf so can use the Uni computers rather thanexpensice spod cafe) Typos - excuse them please, naff link today. Fred - Nope not seen mine either. PArt of this is probably due to everyone growing up though. Fred always used to rely on people to send off stuff for inclusion, since a lot of the old hands now have jobs, less is being sent in. At one time it would be acceptable for fred to be "padded out" in slack months, but as time goes on people expect higher quality from it, if you had FRED 1 drop through you door, I imagine youd be rather upset (actually, I wouldn't coz I don't have fred one, but that wasn't the point I was trying to make) In the apst I know they have been games on fred that I would have probably bought had they been sold rather than given away, I think these days a lot of people would rather try and get sales from they pride and joys than a 5quid voucher, not that there is anything wrong with that, I'd be tempted myself If I ever do anything I consider sellable.... :) Dissertation - as an aside, I don't know how many words mine was, but it did include Alan Miles and Bruce Gordon in the list of acknowledgements in the front! Bye - I'm off to set up a procmail filter to delete any flames from my comments! Tim ....@/ .........................................................................@/ Unc - Tim Paveley - http://dplinux.sund.ac.uk/~unc/ The _only_ Sam coupe web pages you'd ever need look at: - http://www.mono.org/~unc/Coupe/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Dec 14 14:14:50 1997 Message-ID: <7DD3D93001F73000@c2gate.tcom.co.uk> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 13:59:00 +0000 From: Dan Doore Organization: * To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no (Sam Users Mailing List) Subject: RE: another term ends... Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.30A MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 238 Lines: 14 > Righ now they've gone lets start a real conversation. > Hands up every one who knows Beth. Me. > (small world init!) You're telling me! Dan. P.S. For those who haven't got a clue, check out http://www.flyboat.demon.co.uk/ :) From imc Sun Dec 14 14:29:41 1997 Subject: Re: another term ends... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 14:29:41 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <349275D0.26A3@ndirect.co.uk> from "Nev Young" at Dec 13, 97 11:47:28 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 155 Lines: 6 On Sat, 13 Dec 1997 11:47:28 +0000, Nev Young said: > Hands up every one who knows Beth. I know Beth. Probably not the same one as you though. :-) imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Dec 14 19:42:07 1997 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <37038bce.34943430@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 14:31:57 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: FRED / Kaboom Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1127 Lines: 29 In a message dated 14/12/97 03:07:24, you write: > > Now, although it may be considered a backward step, I am also investigating > > the standard ISA Bus, working on the princible that there are a lot of > cards > > still available that will fit that bus. > > ISA is definitely still usable, but the problem is that most stuff is > now moving over to PCI, so SAMSon sooner or later be left in the > same position as SAM now is - based around components that are old > and no longer made. > > (Exaggeration? Just see how many ISA cards are still being sold.) > > Paul Went to the All Formats Show in Bristol this morning because I need a CD ROM drive to fit in a cheap 486 I'm building for someone. As it happens, I was looking at the ISA cards. It seems that most Modem cards are ISA, the majority of sound cards are still ISA, there were several I/O cards and other bits in ISA. In fact, the only type of card that seems to be thin on the ground in ISA is graphic cards. I think the moral is, if it is not state of the art - it will be a lot cheaper - and it may just be a little harder to get. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Dec 14 23:49:38 1997 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 23:35:42 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Dave Subject: Re: How about an original title for a message? In-Reply-To: <1AC9DED62ED@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 528 Lines: 16 >> With Quake, unfortunately, it's a case of "looks lovely, shame it >> doesn't play as well as Doom". >> >> At least, that's my opinion. I seem to be on my own, unfortunately. I >> just don't happen to like the game. > >I think you're absolutely right Paul - and the controls are very >strange to say the least - so it is not as easy to play as Doom. I don't intent to get caught up in this, but can I just say that, now I've played glquake, it actually plays better than doom? and quake 2's meant to be great. -- Dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Dec 15 10:06:55 1997 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 09:58:40 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: How about an original title for a message? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a <8OHKkEUpoELRXgFKFsA4hwDBr8> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1205 Lines: 32 In message , Dave writes >>> With Quake, unfortunately, it's a case of "looks lovely, shame it >>> doesn't play as well as Doom". >>> >>> At least, that's my opinion. I seem to be on my own, unfortunately. I >>> just don't happen to like the game. >> >>I think you're absolutely right Paul - and the controls are very >>strange to say the least - so it is not as easy to play as Doom. > >I don't intent to get caught up in this, but can I just say that, now >I've played glquake, it actually plays better than doom? > >and quake 2's meant to be great. Not meant to be, IS great. The human processing area is just sick! :) Oh, and Doom 2 is better than GLQuake PLAYABILITY wise. Graham -- /====================================================\ +--------------+ | My proverb for this week: | |This Space For| | "The less bits, the less can go wrong... | | Hire - Ideal | | Unless you wobble something important at the back" | |For Weddings &| \==Graham Goring - graham@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk==/ | Bahmitzvas | My Website, coming to a server near you - SOON +--------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Dec 15 18:32:36 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971215131809.006be9f8@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 13:18:09 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: FRED / Kaboom In-Reply-To: <37038bce.34943430@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 510 Lines: 16 >I think the moral is, if it is not state of the art - it will be a lot cheaper >- and it may just be a little harder to get. Acutally, I think the moral of the story is: 1. If you're plugging in a PC peripheral, you're going to need DMA. So expect to have to add a memory board that acts as External memory to the SAM, and as PC memory to the peripheral. (That way, you can add in a DMA controller while you're at it). 2. If youse going to add peripherals, youse going to need driver programmers. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Dec 15 22:51:42 1997 Message-Id: <199712152247.XAA15793@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: Sam users Subject: Fw: Seasons greetings... (fwd) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 23:45:57 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1562 Lines: 40 > *** Doorgestuurd bericht, oorspronkelijk geschreven door Laurie Borgman op > 12-dec-97 *** > > >It's the first snowball fight of the season. Consider yourself hit. > > > > > > snowballsnowball > > snowballsnowballsnowball > > snowballsnowballsnowballsnowballs > > snowballsnowballsnowballsnowballsnowball > > snowballsnowballsnowballsnowballsnowballsno > > snowballsnowballsnowballsnowballsnowballsnow > > snowballsnowballsnowballsnowballsnowballsnowba > > snowballsnowballsnowballsnowballsnowballsnowba > > snowballsnowballsnowballsnowballsnowballsnowba > > snowballsnowballsnowballsnowballsnowballsnowba > > snowballsnowballsnowballsnowballsnowballsnow > > snowballsnowballsnowballsnowballsnowballsno > > snowballsnowballsnowballsnowballsnowball > > snowballsnowballsnowballsnowballs > > snowballsnowballsnowball > > snowballsnowball > > > > > > > > > > You are now involved in an e-mail snowball fight. Send this to all > > your friends and relatives. Have fun with it. Remember in an > > online snowball fight no one gets hurt and no one gets cold and > > soaking wet. So nail your friends before they nail you. > > Laurie. > > -- > Greetings Ernst. > Greets Robert van der Veeke From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Dec 16 16:02:02 1997 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 15:42:00 +0000 From: Dan Doore Organization: * To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no (Sam Users Mailing List) Subject: RE: Fred & web pages & dissertations Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.30A MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 752 Lines: 28 > I did have a hot list of about 30 different pages of people related to the > sam in one way or another. NEver bothered looking at any of them again, > either because they didn't change, or because what was they had no > content! Often the way with many pages.... BUT NOT MINE! BRUHAHAHAHA!! *ahem* The new and not-much-improved pages are at http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/ Abuse, suggestions, facetious or pedantic comments welcome :) I still think the only good thing on it is the Mad Cow. And my Sam bits, or course. I'm going to (eventually) put the rest of my PD Produce up their but The Movie Mania Man is blagging a lot of space at the moment and until his dial-up account is sorted it will have to stay as it is. Dan. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Dec 16 17:55:37 1997 Message-ID: <34973BF0.E54@clara.net> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 18:41:52 -0800 From: David-Editor of Blitz Fanzine! Organization: Blitz Diskzine X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Question!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 336 Lines: 10 Okay, here's a question for anyone still listening... When SAM Boots SAMDOS as normal, the computer automatically looks at track 4, sector 1 for the DOS, right? Well, in that case, what's the proceedure regarding a higher number of directory entries as in MasterDos? How does SAM know where to find the DOS in the first place? David From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Dec 16 18:34:14 1997 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 18:27:31 +0000 (GMT) From: Robert Brady To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Question!!! In-Reply-To: <34973BF0.E54@clara.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 589 Lines: 20 On Tue, 16 Dec 1997, David-Editor of Blitz Fanzine! wrote: > Okay, here's a question for anyone still listening... > > When SAM Boots SAMDOS as normal, the computer automatically looks at > track 4, sector 1 for the DOS, right? > > Well, in that case, what's the proceedure regarding a higher number of > directory entries as in MasterDos? How does SAM know where to find the > DOS in the first place? > > David > > It still boots from 4/1... Masterdos's long directories ignore 4/1... That's why you can only have 778 files instead of 780. -- Robert Brady, rwb197@ecs.soton.ac.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Dec 16 23:33:39 1997 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 97 23:05:02 GMT Message-ID: <858_OASIS_@lhutz.demon.co.uk> From: James@lhutz.demon.co.uk (James R Curry) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Mailer: OASIS Post Box (Atari) v1.31E Subject: Re: Question!!! X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 830 Lines: 30 >Okay, here's a question for anyone still listening... > >When SAM Boots SAMDOS as normal, the computer automatically looks at >track 4, sector 1 for the DOS, right? > >Well, in that case, what's the proceedure regarding a higher number of >directory entries as in MasterDos? How does SAM know where to find the >DOS in the first place? It's in your MasterDOS manual! :) Track 4 sector 1 is always left clear for just this reason, it's skipped as far as directory enteries go. __ James R Curry - James@lhutz.demon.co.uk "You never know when an old calendar might come in handy. Sure, it's not 1985 right now, but who knows what tomorrow will bring?" - Homer Simpson, The Simpsons. The official James R Curry web page - Very soon, I promise. Honest. Ah, come on, you believe me, don't you?! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Dec 17 10:52:58 1997 Message-ID: <34982537.7547@clara.net> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:17:11 -0800 From: David-Editor of Blitz Fanzine! Organization: Blitz Diskzine X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Question!!! References: <858_OASIS_@lhutz.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 683 Lines: 24 James R Curry wrote: > > > >Well, in that case, what's the proceedure regarding a higher number of > >directory entries as in MasterDos? How does SAM know where to find the > >DOS in the first place? > > It's in your MasterDOS manual! :) Ah! But I dont have a manual! Having been rather berift of computer documentation for some time.... > Track 4 sector 1 is always left clear for just this reason, it's > skipped as far as directory enteries go. Gotcha! Thanx to yourself and Robert for this un! > James R Curry - James@lhutz.demon.co.uk David > The official James R Curry web page - Very soon, I promise. Honest. > Ah, come on, you believe me, don't you?! Nope :) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Dec 17 17:20:31 1997 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:45:32 EST From: "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Question]]] Message-Id: <19971217154556Z49585-32662+1596@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 758 Lines: 26 Date: 1997-12-17 13:55 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSG:FROM: I7207445--IBMMAIL TO: NYOUNG1 --RLLAN1 17/12/97 12:49:52 From: "E.P.R.P. Blink" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 13:05:53 MET Subject: Re: Question]]] >> It still boots from 4/1... Masterdos's long directories ignore 4/1... >> That's why you can only have 778 files instead of 780. >> >> -- >> Robert Brady, rwb197@ecs.soton.ac.uk > >Sorry Robert but you are mistaken with your last remark >MasterDos reserves track 4 sector 1 for Booting only for extended >directories. This sector is used by the first file saved on disk and >can be any file type. > >Edwin Blink pedant ] From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Dec 17 23:08:11 1997 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: sskardon@argonet.co.uk (Stewart Skardon) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 17 Dec 97 22:56:07 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Bye bye. Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 594 Lines: 24 Hello all 5 or so people left on this list, That's it. I've had enough. I thought this was a SAM list, but after a few mails, everyone reverts back to going on about THAT bloody PC game. When someone finds something remotely SAM related to talk about, let me know. Stewart -- _ (_'tewart email : sskardon@argonet.co.uk ,_)kardon http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/stewart/ Crashed Magazine - The SAM Coupe and ZX Spectrum Magazine. Crashed WWW Site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon Crashed Email - crashed@argonet.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Dec 18 00:02:40 1997 Message-ID: <3498E18C.542E@clara.net> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 00:40:44 -0800 From: David-Editor of Blitz Fanzine! Organization: Blitz Diskzine X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: BOAI (Was Bye bye.) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 486 Lines: 19 Stewart Skardon wrote: > > Hello all 5 or so people left on this list, > > That's it. I've had enough. > > I thought this was a SAM list, but after a few mails, everyone reverts back to > going on about THAT bloody PC game. > > When someone finds something remotely SAM related to talk about, let me know. > > Stewart Well, you have got a point! Okay! On to more SAM related stuff people!!! So does anyone know what is going on with BOAI? I've only heard things second hand.... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Dec 18 03:04:16 1997 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 97 02:52:08 GMT Message-ID: <868_OASIS_@lhutz.demon.co.uk> From: James@lhutz.demon.co.uk (James R Curry) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Mailer: OASIS Post Box (Atari) v1.31E Subject: Re: BOAI (Was Bye bye.) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1176 Lines: 42 "David-Editor of Blitz Fanzine!" said:- >Stewart Skardon wrote: >> >> Hello all 5 or so people left on this list, >> >> That's it. I've had enough. >> >> I thought this was a SAM list, but after a few mails, everyone reverts back to >> going on about THAT bloody PC game. >> >> When someone finds something remotely SAM related to talk about, let me know. >> >> Stewart > >Well, you have got a point! > >Okay! On to more SAM related stuff people!!! > >So does anyone know what is going on with BOAI? I've only heard things >second hand.... It's gone... dead... I've had a cheque returned to me. (Which I'll be sending back, I won a sub in their competetion, but if it had kept going, I would have been subscribing ASAP... they deserve the money, great magazine guys, and definitely worth the money I spent.) __ James R Curry - James@lhutz.demon.co.uk "You never know when an old calendar might come in handy. Sure, it's not 1985 right now, but who knows what tomorrow will bring?" - Homer Simpson, The Simpsons. The official James R Curry web page - Very soon, I promise. Honest. Ah, come on, you believe me, don't you?! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Dec 18 03:04:17 1997 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 97 02:49:54 GMT Message-ID: <867_OASIS_@lhutz.demon.co.uk> From: James@lhutz.demon.co.uk (James R Curry) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Mailer: OASIS Post Box (Atari) v1.31E Subject: Re: Bye bye. X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1030 Lines: 35 OASIS_E-Mail: sskardon@argonet.co.uk (Stewart Skardon) wrote:- >Hello all 5 or so people left on this list, > >That's it. I've had enough. > >I thought this was a SAM list, but after a few mails, everyone reverts back to >going on about THAT bloody PC game. > >When someone finds something remotely SAM related to talk about, let me know. Oh, for crying out loud, Stewart, we've _always_ gone off on these irrelevant tangents on this list... please, don't go! Besides... even when the Sam is long dead and gone, I'm sure they'll still be this group of us who have become friends simply due to it's existence... Ahh... It's that all putrid and sickly? (But heartfelt.) __ James R Curry - James@lhutz.demon.co.uk "You never know when an old calendar might come in handy. Sure, it's not 1985 right now, but who knows what tomorrow will bring?" - Homer Simpson, The Simpsons. The official James R Curry web page - Very soon, I promise. Honest. Ah, come on, you believe me, don't you?! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Dec 18 09:46:41 1997 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 9:29:00 +0000 From: Dan Doore Organization: * To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no (SAM-USER@SMTP {sam-users@nvg.unit.no}) Subject: RE: Bye bye. Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.30A MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 794 Lines: 33 > >Hello all 5 or so people left on this list, > > > >That's it. I've had enough. 5 people, Hmmmm, quick check required: ! >>>> who sam-users ! Members of list 'sam-users': ! ! [snip] ! ! 71 subscribers That's the most I've seen on for ages. > Oh, for crying out loud, Stewart, we've _always_ gone off on these > irrelevant tangents on this list... please, don't go! Amen. It's all part of life's rich pageant (and all that guff) Something Sam-my: I've been in contact with Aley about his SAA driver, and the new version (0.3) is due out in January, he will whack it on the web as I recall. SimCoupe still falls over when I try and run the OPL3 TSR, although Aley's SBAA music player works fine. I recommend the SBAA player, cos you get the famous Fuxoft tunes with it! Dan. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Dec 18 14:47:22 1997 Message-ID: <3499B1A0.3EEE@clara.net> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 15:28:32 -0800 From: David-Editor of Blitz Fanzine! Organization: Blitz Diskzine X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Networking References: <01bd0b88$a381ea20$0601010a@moose> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 501 Lines: 17 Christian wrote: > > Has anyone had any luck in connecting a Sam to a TCP/IP network, either via > thin Ethernet or some sort of serial link and if so how ? > > Christian Cable Hmmm.... I seem to recall David Gommeren tinkering with something like this a few years back. In fact he wrote to Alan about possibly interefacing the SAM with the Beeb via Ethernet if I recall.... I'll try and dig out his address later... David L Hey, look! A SAM Related subject matter .... I knew we could do it! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Dec 18 15:29:23 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980118095902.006c48ec@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 09:59:02 -0800 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Chris White etc etc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 351 Lines: 14 Hi everyone, Does anyone have a good number for Chris White? His mobile number isn't responding, and I can't find his address sheet that he sent out when he was moving. HEYLP! Other than that... I step on a plane at 15:50 local time tomorrow... and promptly get off it at 8:00am local time Manchester. Yikes. Looking forwards to that. Honest. Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Dec 18 20:02:24 1997 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: sskardon@argonet.co.uk (Stewart Skardon) To: majord@nvg.ntnu.no, sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 18 Dec 97 19:44:02 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Majordomo results: UNSUBSCRIBE sskardon@argonet.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 499 Lines: 23 On Thu 18 Dec 97 (00:20:45 +0100), majordomo@nvg.ntnu.no wrote: -- >>>> -- END OF COMMANDS Ahem, good job it worked then, having received 13 messages today. See my next mail :-) -- _ (_'tewart email : sskardon@argonet.co.uk ,_)kardon http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/stewart/ Crashed Magazine - The SAM Coupe and ZX Spectrum Magazine. Crashed WWW Site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon Crashed Email - crashed@argonet.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Dec 18 20:02:25 1997 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: sskardon@argonet.co.uk (Stewart Skardon) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 18 Dec 97 19:48:30 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Networking Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1402 Lines: 50 On Thu 18 Dec 97 (15:28:32), persona@clara.net wrote: >Christian wrote: >> >> Has anyone had any luck in connecting a Sam to a TCP/IP network, >either via >> thin Ethernet or some sort of serial link and if so how ? >> >> Christian Cable > >Hmmm.... I seem to recall David Gommeren tinkering with something like >this a few years back. In fact he wrote to Alan about possibly >interefacing the SAM with the Beeb via Ethernet if I recall.... > Strange, I was wondering about a form of networking similar to that not that long ago. Seeing as I do own an Acorn A3010, and an Acorn RISC PC (on which I am writing this), what do you think about trying to set up a LAN using serial cables? Does anyone know if it would be possible to transmit the signals from the SAM MIDI sockets to a RS232 port on my Arc? I'm not much of a techy person. >I'll try and dig out his address later... > >David L > >Hey, look! A SAM Related subject matter .... I knew we could do it! > Well done! Let's give ourselves a pat on the back, and try and keep it up. > > -- _ (_'tewart email : sskardon@argonet.co.uk ,_)kardon http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/stewart/ Crashed Magazine - The SAM Coupe and ZX Spectrum Magazine. Crashed WWW Site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon Crashed Email - crashed@argonet.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Dec 18 21:49:45 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971218163113.006c4c94@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 16:31:13 -0800 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Networking In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 603 Lines: 17 At 07:48 PM 12/18/97, you wrote: > >Does anyone know if it would be possible to transmit the signals from the SAM >MIDI sockets to a RS232 port on my Arc? > > >I'm not much of a techy person. Depends on the voltage tolerances on the RS232 driver IC's of your Arc, but if you set it to 31.725KHz, 1 stop-bit, 8 bit, 1 bit parity (I think... might be 7 bit data), then you *SHOULD* be able to do it. (MIDI is just the signalling part of RS232 on TTL voltage levels.. RS232 really specifies the cableing and voltage tolerances, not necessarily the data format). Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Dec 19 08:53:11 1997 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 06:01:08 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: Chris White etc etc In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980118095902.006c48ec@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a <8OHKkEUpoELRXgFKFsA4hwDBr8> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 665 Lines: 18 In message <3.0.1.32.19980118095902.006c48ec@nessie.mcc.ac.uk>, Simon Cooke writes >Hi everyone, > >Does anyone have a good number for Chris White? Seven has always been lucky for me. :) Graham -- /====================================================\ +--------------+ | My proverb for this week: | |This Space For| | "The less bits, the less can go wrong... | | Hire - Ideal | | Unless you wobble something important at the back" | |For Weddings &| \==Graham Goring - graham@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk==/ | Bahmitzvas | My Website, coming to a server near you - SOON +--------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Dec 22 23:31:54 1997 Message-Id: <199712222324.XAA02938@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Paul Walker To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 23:23:45 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Majordomo results: UNSUBSCRIBE sskardon@argonet.co.uk In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 310 Lines: 12 > Ahem, good job it worked then, having received 13 messages today. > See my next mail :-) I *thought* I wasn't going loopy! I remember unsubscribing from one of my addresses, but I'm still getting it to both... Paul -- You are no longer part of "the system". We are above "the system". Over it. Beyond it. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Dec 23 00:01:04 1997 Message-ID: <349F6EA4.4446@clara.net> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 23:56:20 -0800 From: David-Editor of Blitz Fanzine! Organization: Blitz Diskzine X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Christmas greetings! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 145 Lines: 9 Hello anyone still here! Got a link for you to visit ... www.persona.clara.net/downloads/index.htm All the seasonal greeetigns etc :) David From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Dec 24 16:02:57 1997 Date: Wed, 24 Dec 97 15:57:20 GMT Message-ID: <902_OASIS_@lhutz.demon.co.uk> From: James@lhutz.demon.co.uk (James R Curry) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Mailer: OASIS Post Box (Atari) v1.31E Subject: Re: Christmas greetings! X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 556 Lines: 21 In E-Mail <349F6EA4.4446@clara.net> "David-Editor of Blitz Fanzine!" wrote:- >All the seasonal greeetigns etc :) And seaons greeetigns to you too. Whatever a "Greeetign" is... ;) __ James R Curry - James@lhutz.demon.co.uk "You never know when an old calendar might come in handy. Sure, it's not 1985 right now, but who knows what tomorrow will bring?" - Homer Simpson, The Simpsons. The official James R Curry web page - Very soon, I promise. Honest. Ah, come on, you believe me, don't you?! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Dec 24 23:51:57 1997 Message-ID: <34A20F2F.2FE8@clara.net> Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 23:45:51 -0800 From: David-Editor of Blitz Fanzine! Organization: Blitz Diskzine X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Christmas greetings! References: <902_OASIS_@lhutz.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 301 Lines: 12 James R Curry wrote: > > In E-Mail <349F6EA4.4446@clara.net> > "David-Editor of Blitz Fanzine!" wrote:- > > >All the seasonal greeetigns etc :) > > And seaons greeetigns to you too. Whatever a "Greeetign" is... ;) > __ > Dont ask me ... I was pissed when I sent it :) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Dec 25 00:09:36 1997 Message-Id: <34A1A3CE.59A0351C@cableol.co.uk> Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 00:07:42 +0000 From: SparkY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Christmas greetings! X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <902_OASIS_@lhutz.demon.co.uk> <34A20F2F.2FE8@clara.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 336 Lines: 7 I can't believe I'm sending this, a few seconds into Christmas Day. I just have no life. *sobs* Erm, Merry Christmas if anyone is about :) (Even you Bob, you ignorant git for not replying to any e-mails from me this past year...I WANT MY MONEY BACK FOR MY SAM_CLOCK!!!!!!!) Sorry :) Off for a beer and to read through Blitz 6 :) Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Dec 25 15:56:13 1997 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 15:34:18 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: Christmas greetings! In-Reply-To: <34A20F2F.2FE8@clara.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a <8OHKkEUpoELRXgFKFsA4hwDBr8> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 942 Lines: 28 In message <34A20F2F.2FE8@clara.net>, David-Editor of Blitz Fanzine! writes >James R Curry wrote: >> >> In E-Mail <349F6EA4.4446@clara.net> >> "David-Editor of Blitz Fanzine!" wrote:- >> >> >All the seasonal greeetigns etc :) >> >> And seaons greeetigns to you too. Whatever a "Greeetign" is... ;) >> __ >> > >Dont ask me ... I was pissed when I sent it :) Dear god, you didn't drink that small glass of sherry you left Santa did you? ;) Graham -- /====================================================\ +--------------+ | My proverb for this week: | |This Space For| | "The less bits, the less can go wrong... | | Hire - Ideal | | Unless you wobble something important at the back" | |For Weddings &| \==Graham Goring - graham@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk==/ | Bahmitzvas | My Website, coming to a server near you - SOON +--------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Dec 28 18:31:06 1997 Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 12:52:51 -0500 From: Gordon Wallis <101762.2062@compuserve.com> Subject: Sam2000, anyone? To: Sam Users Message-ID: <199712281253_MC2-2D58-8851@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id SAA24500 Status: RO Content-Length: 2094 Lines: 35 Since so many people seem to be leaving the group, I suppose it's time for the silent folk like myself to start filling it up again, so let's see where this gets us, shall we? I call this little number 'Fantasy Sam'. In Blitz issue 6, Phil Wilson wrote a letter about putting his Sam into a PC tower case... That started me thinking about new version of the Sam. If you look inside the Sam as it is, the case is only it's current size and shape to accomodate the two floppy drives. If the Sam was remodelled specifically for a tower case, to could be made much more efficient. For example, in another letter, Kevin Cross mentioned that he'd already wired his mouse interface into his Sam - a much better idea, as the trailing wire and huge box don't exactly inspire confidence in Sam hardware, and both have a habit of moving and wrecking your chances of precise mouse movement unless they're stuck down firmly. Alternatively, could someone not re-work the mouse side of things so it works with a 9-pin PC serial mouse as standard? The SamBus could also be incorporated into the motherboard, meaning easier hardware additions released as cards, rather than ugly white boxes, with any interfaces coming out through the backplate. Memory upgrades could be made much simpler by including a SIMM slot into the design, why pay £80 for a 1Mb memory brick, when a 4Mb Simm costs next-to-nothing these days (if you can find 'em!). Also, with a tower system, the possiblilties of adding more drives begin to look a little better. Two floppy drives and a hard drive anyone? How about adding one of those 120Mb floppy drives? Or what about a CD-ROM? Also, considering the teething troubles of the existing Sam ROM, how about giving it an upgradeable (and customisable?) Flash ROM? Obviously, being a total hardware know-nothing, I'm just waffling. There's probably a very good reason for the 2-drive limit, for example. Either way, someone would have to spend a hell of a long time (and money) planning, designing and making things work. It'd make a great Sam for the year 2000, though, wouldn't it? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Dec 28 20:07:46 1997 Message-ID: <34A70EB1.6B64@clara.net> Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 18:45:05 -0800 From: David-Editor of Blitz Fanzine! Organization: Blitz Diskzine X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam2000, anyone? References: <199712281253_MC2-2D58-8851@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id UAA25056 Status: RO Content-Length: 3803 Lines: 75 Gordon Wallis wrote: > > Since so many people seem to be leaving the group, I suppose it's time for > the silent folk like myself to start filling it up again, so let's see > where this gets us, shall we? I call this little number 'Fantasy Sam'. Interesting really Gordon ... there was a lot of talk earlier in the year about putting together some of the ideas that had been worked on and left together to form a "Son Of SAM" - or as I called it - SAM2! > If you look inside the Sam as it is, the case is only it's current size and > shape to accomodate the two floppy drives. If the Sam was remodelled > specifically for a tower case, to could be made much more efficient. For > example, in another letter, Kevin Cross mentioned that he'd already wired > his mouse interface into his Sam - a much better idea, as the trailing wire > and huge box don't exactly inspire confidence in Sam hardware, and both Yeah! Malcolm's got one of his SAM's with that on.... it's a pain when software comes along that doesn't work with it though :) Good job he's a couple of spare machines! > have a habit of moving and wrecking your chances of precise mouse movement > unless they're stuck down firmly. Alternatively, could someone not re-work > the mouse side of things so it works with a 9-pin PC serial mouse as > standard? Nice idea, but could be a cramped inside. Andrew Gale? Are you out there? Weren't you tinkering with this? > The SamBus could also be incorporated into the motherboard, meaning easier > hardware additions released as cards, rather than ugly white boxes, with > any interfaces coming out through the backplate. Mentioned this to Bruce ages ago, well actually an idea of a SAMBus with "extention cable" so it could be placed under a desk... he muttered something about "signal buffering".... any one care to translate?!! > Memory upgrades could be > made much simpler by including a SIMM slot into the design, why pay £80 for > a 1Mb memory brick, when a 4Mb Simm costs next-to-nothing these days (if > you can find 'em!). Yeah! Wonder how far Cookie got with this? I've some info on SIM refresh for Z80 machines if any hardware bods are interested?! > Also, with a tower system, the possiblilties of adding > more drives begin to look a little better. Two floppy drives and a hard > drive anyone? How about adding one of those 120Mb floppy drives? Or what > about a CD-ROM? Also, considering the teething troubles of the existing Sam > ROM, how about giving it an upgradeable (and customisable?) Flash ROM? Hmmm.... Dos could really do with support for PC styled disks in the future, then it'd make things a little easier ... we could even use high density disks & drive instead of being limited to low-density.... easier for "West Coast" to get drives for the computer as well.... > Obviously, being a total hardware know-nothing, I'm just waffling. There's > probably a very good reason for the 2-drive limit, for example. Either way, > someone would have to spend a hell of a long time (and money) planning, > designing and making things work. Just the way it came along... in all honesty there's no real reason for a limit, but the existing drive controllers wouldn't do as they can only pretend to be drive one or two I think. > It'd make a great Sam for the year 2000, though, wouldn't it? I'd like to think something will be coming along next year... After the ATOM, I personally would like to see memory then graphics be the next hardware upgrade. We've had the Quazar Surround soundcard (See Colin! Full name this time!!! :) ) which is brilliant, the Atom - Internal Hard Drive Interface - which seems to be coming along nicely, so a memory interface then graphics board would be the two next ideal ones .... Glad to see a bit of input on here :) Thanx Gordon! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Dec 28 21:25:56 1997 Message-ID: <34A6B8AC.102E@ndirect.co.uk> Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 20:38:04 +0000 From: nevilley Organization: Th'Attic X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam2000, anyone? References: <199712281253_MC2-2D58-8851@compuserve.com> <34A70EB1.6B64@clara.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id VAA25610 Status: RO Content-Length: 6319 Lines: 136 David-Editor of Blitz Fanzine! wrote: > > Gordon Wallis wrote: > > > > Since so many people seem to be leaving the group, I suppose it's time for > > the silent folk like myself to start filling it up again, so let's see > > where this gets us, shall we? I call this little number 'Fantasy Sam'. Good idea Gordon. This group needs fresh ideas much more than anything else. > Interesting really Gordon ... there was a lot of talk earlier in the > year about putting together some of the ideas that had been worked on > and left together to form a "Son Of SAM" - or as I called it - SAM2! IIRC SamSon > > If you look inside the Sam as it is, the case is only it's current size and > > shape to accomodate the two floppy drives. If the Sam was remodelled > > specifically for a tower case, to could be made much more efficient. For excellent idea but who's is going to put up the development costs. At the moment there is no way that it could be sold at a competitive price against a PC PCI board. I've seen them for as little as £45 and they can support P300MMX. Can you begin to imagine the number of new sams that would have to be sold to be able to compete on price. Sorry I'm being a damp rag. > > example, in another letter, Kevin Cross mentioned that he'd already wired > > his mouse interface into his Sam - a much better idea, as the trailing wire > > and huge box don't exactly inspire confidence in Sam hardware, and both Well that's Brucie for you. at the fore of unfinished projects. > > have a habit of moving and wrecking your chances of precise mouse movement > > unless they're stuck down firmly. Alternatively, could someone not re-work > > the mouse side of things so it works with a 9-pin PC serial mouse as > > standard? > > Nice idea, but could be a cramped inside. Andrew Gale? Are you out > there? Weren't you tinkering with this? There was quite a bit of chat about how the serial mouse presented data to the comms port. I don't know why that one died as I think it's a dammed good idea. Once comms interrupts are turned on it would then only need a rewrite of the mouse routines. Any one still do assembler out there ? > > > The SamBus could also be incorporated into the motherboard, meaning easier > > hardware additions released as cards, rather than ugly white boxes, with > > any interfaces coming out through the backplate. It would make sense if the main board was to be re-done to incorporate the expansion slots onto it. > > Mentioned this to Bruce ages ago, well actually an idea of a SAMBus with > "extention cable" so it could be placed under a desk... he muttered > something about "signal buffering".... any one care to translate?!! You can't make the signal travel more than a few centimeters before the signal gets so distorted that it becomes unusable. You have to drive the capacitance of the cable and that requires some power on the driver side (buffering). > > > Memory upgrades could be > > made much simpler by including a SIMM slot into the design, why pay £80 for > > a 1Mb memory brick, when a 4Mb Simm costs next-to-nothing these days (if > > you can find 'em!). Yep getting hold of simms is no problem. IIRC the sam type mem chips are now as rare as rocking horse manure and so quite expensive. I am certain that a 1 or 4 or 16 + meg expansion could be made but [3] > > > Also, with a tower system, the possiblilties of adding > > more drives begin to look a little better. Two floppy drives and a hard > > drive anyone? no problem. > > How about adding one of those 120Mb floppy drives? Or what I must try and look up the info on those. > > about a CD-ROM? Also, considering the teething troubles of the existing Sam > > ROM, how about giving it an upgradeable (and customisable?) Flash ROM? Now where have I heard this before. > Hmmm.... Dos could really do with support for PC styled disks in the > future, then it'd make things a little easier ... we could even use high > density disks & drive instead of being limited to low-density.... easier > for "West Coast" to get drives for the computer as well.... I have been pushing for this for ages but always get it knocked back as the files structure of the existing dos limits the disk to 800K. Any other file system would not be backwards compatible. Now that wouldn't bother me. After all I had to make a once only transfer of all my micro drives. Any one else got any feelings about this ? > > Obviously, being a total hardware know-nothing, I'm just waffling. There's > > probably a very good reason for the 2-drive limit, for example. Either way, The ASIC only decodes two drive lines. But others could be done with full address decoding. > > someone would have to spend a hell of a long time (and money) planning, > > designing and making things work. Ah you are a realist. > > Just the way it came along... in all honesty there's no real reason for > a limit, but the existing drive controllers wouldn't do as they can only > pretend to be drive one or two I think. The 1772 only supports one drive. It is also now in very short supply. But if we were going to change the dick format we could change the controller chip and everything else. > > It'd make a great Sam for the year 2000, though, wouldn't it? > > I'd like to think something will be coming along next year... After the > ATOM, I personally would like to see memory then graphics be the next > hardware upgrade. We've had the Quazar Surround soundcard (See Colin! > Full name this time!!! :) ) which is brilliant, the Atom - Internal Hard > Drive Interface - which seems to be coming along nicely, so a memory > interface then graphics board would be the two next ideal ones .... The only problem here is will any h/w upgrade be useable on a new version of sam ? > > Glad to see a bit of input on here :) Thanx Gordon! Me too. -- ---------------------------------------------------- | | |This site is developing self awareness | |(Oh no I'm not. cognito ergo P120-S) | |--------------------------------------------------| |Home nevilley @ ndirect.co.uk | |Work gbh3rknr @ ibmmail.com | |http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~nevilley/homepage.htm | ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Dec 28 22:13:59 1997 Message-ID: <34A739B5.77A9@clara.net> Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 21:48:37 -0800 From: David-Editor of Blitz Fanzine! Organization: Blitz Diskzine X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam2000, anyone? References: <199712281253_MC2-2D58-8851@compuserve.com> <34A70EB1.6B64@clara.net> <34A6B8AC.102E@ndirect.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id WAA26039 Status: RO Content-Length: 6381 Lines: 139 nevilley wrote: > > David-Editor of Blitz Fanzine! wrote: > > > > Gordon Wallis wrote: > > > > > > Since so many people seem to be leaving the group, I suppose it's time for > > > the silent folk like myself to start filling it up again, so let's see > > > where this gets us, shall we? I call this little number 'Fantasy Sam'. > > Good idea Gordon. This group needs fresh ideas much more than anything > else. And it's better than discussing PC games! > > Interesting really Gordon ... there was a lot of talk earlier in the > > year about putting together some of the ideas that had been worked on > > and left together to form a "Son Of SAM" - or as I called it - SAM2! > IIRC SamSon Yeah - but I still reckons SAMSon was a lame name, Son of SAM was the same as that looney serial killer (is that the same as someone who kills serials?) and SAM2 at least said what it was aiming to. But that's just me being awkward! > > > If you look inside the Sam as it is, the case is only it's current size and > > > shape to accomodate the two floppy drives. If the Sam was remodelled > > > specifically for a tower case, to could be made much more efficient. For > excellent idea but who's is going to put up the development costs. At > the moment there is no way that it could be sold at a competitive price > against a PC PCI board. I've seen them for as little as £45 and they can > support P300MMX. Can you begin to imagine the number of new sams that > would have to be sold to be able to compete on price. Sorry I'm being a > damp rag. True, but it all comes down to this; at the end of the day any hardware is going to cost money, and people - if they want to buy stuff for their SAM to make it better - are going to have to pay for it! The QSS (see footnote 1!) is a prime example of this. It's a case of having the guts to build it and to risk the funds and the trust that people will buy it. It doesn't always work though - but someone has to do it. > > > The SamBus could also be incorporated into the motherboard, meaning easier > > > hardware additions released as cards, rather than ugly white boxes, with > > > any interfaces coming out through the backplate. > It would make sense if the main board was to be re-done to incorporate > the expansion slots onto it. > > > > > Mentioned this to Bruce ages ago, well actually an idea of a SAMBus with > > "extention cable" so it could be placed under a desk... he muttered > > something about "signal buffering".... any one care to translate?!! > > You can't make the signal travel more than a few centimeters before the > signal gets so distorted that it becomes unusable. You have to drive the > capacitance of the cable and that requires some power on the driver side > (buffering). Thanx for clearing that up! > > > > about a CD-ROM? Also, considering the teething troubles of the existing Sam > > > ROM, how about giving it an upgradeable (and customisable?) Flash ROM? > Now where have I heard this before. True.... how far did you get with your static ROM board Nev? Did you ever look at Cookies ideas? > > Hmmm.... Dos could really do with support for PC styled disks in the > > future, then it'd make things a little easier ... we could even use high > > density disks & drive instead of being limited to low-density.... easier > > for "West Coast" to get drives for the computer as well.... > I have been pushing for this for ages but always get it knocked back as > the files structure of the existing dos limits the disk to 800K. Any > other file system would not be backwards compatible. Now that wouldn't > bother me. After all I had to make a once only transfer of all my micro > drives. Any one else got any feelings about this ? I agree with you to be honest. Surely if a new system was done, the hardware could even come with something to read conventional SAM disks and re-write them to the new format... worse case senario. Otherwise, a simple but tacky idea mentioned in passing by Dr Andy Wright to me a while ago was to use double sized sectors (1k) to use HD disks with a slight re-write of the DOS.... What's anyones feelings on this? > > > Obviously, being a total hardware know-nothing, I'm just waffling. There's > > > probably a very good reason for the 2-drive limit, for example. Either way, > The ASIC only decodes two drive lines. But others could be done with > full address decoding. And the drives do NOT really have to be handled by the ASIC really I suppose... > > > someone would have to spend a hell of a long time (and money) planning, > > > designing and making things work. > Ah you are a realist. Doesn't anything...? It's all down to how much you want to do it.... Surely WC C could help promote any decent project handled by other people? > > Just the way it came along... in all honesty there's no real reason for > > a limit, but the existing drive controllers wouldn't do as they can only > > pretend to be drive one or two I think. > The 1772 only supports one drive. It is also now in very short supply. > But if we were going to change the dick format we could change the > controller chip and everything else. Is there any other chips compatible with the 1772? Has anyone looked seriously? Would Western Digital have created a later model? Or is it possible to "emulate" it any other way? > > > It'd make a great Sam for the year 2000, though, wouldn't it? > > > > I'd like to think something will be coming along next year... After the > > ATOM, I personally would like to see memory then graphics be the next > > hardware upgrade. We've had the Quazar Surround soundcard (See Colin! > > Full name this time!!! :) ) which is brilliant, the Atom - Internal Hard > > Drive Interface - which seems to be coming along nicely, so a memory > > interface then graphics board would be the two next ideal ones .... > The only problem here is will any h/w upgrade be useable on a new > version of sam ? If there's THAT much of an improvement, I think the upgraders wounldn't care! David 1 (I'm not typing the full name in again Colin, we all know how wonderful it is - and how to get it! And if anyone's got the money, still likes their SAM and hasn't bought one - then they are a silly so-and-so who deserves to be hit on the head with a wet haddock! BUY ONE TODAY .... and a copy of Stratosphere! Better still, buy two and have one for spare.) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Dec 28 23:46:21 1997 From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam2000, anyone? Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 22:50:04 GMT Message-ID: <34a6d1cf.2882625@mail.enterprise.net> References: <199712281253_MC2-2D58-8851@compuserve.com> <34A70EB1.6B64@clara.net> <34A6B8AC.102E@ndirect.co.uk> <34A739B5.77A9@clara.net> In-Reply-To: <34A739B5.77A9@clara.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 992 Lines: 30 I think I'd prefer a SIM SAM2000. :) Running an Amiga, a PC, a speccy a SAM and god knows what else through one box is my idea of a great time. That's probably because I'm sad, but there y'go. :) Even though talk of new file systems (able to handle high density disks - wow!) is interesting, I'd like to put my miserable oar in and say it's just not worth it. Most of us have better machines now, and who but the most philanthropic are gonna fork-out on stuff for their 'old' computer? People want speed, power, big storage and fansastic graphics these days (to name but a few attractions). How many people on this list would seriously consider 'upgrading' their SAM to an even more obscure platform? Even if half the list reply saying they would (very doubtful), then that's probably your lot. But this is way out of the spirit of the SAM community, isn't it. Okay, go for it.. dream on.. If anyone wants to flame me in real-time, my ICQ number is 6509488 Bye, Dave Whitmore From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Dec 29 08:37:32 1997 Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 03:29:32 EST From: "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Sam2000, anyone? Message-Id: <19971229082947Z49156-22485+69@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 4683 Lines: 111 Date: 1997-12-29 08:28 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ============================================================================ == > Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 21:48:37 -0800 > From: "David-Editor of Blitz Fanzine]" > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Subject: Re: Sam2000, anyone? > > nevilley wrote: > > > > David-Editor of Blitz Fanzine] wrote: > > > > > > Interesting really Gordon ... there was a lot of talk earlier in the > > > year about putting together some of the ideas that had been worked on > > > and left together to form a "Son Of SAM" - or as I called it - SAM2] > > IIRC SamSon > > Yeah - but I still reckons SAMSon was a lame name, Son of SAM was the > same as that looney serial killer (is that the same as someone who kills > serials?) and SAM2 at least said what it was aiming to. But that's just > me being awkward] I don?t think the name matters at all. Unless .... [see 1 below! > > excellent idea but who's is going to put up the development costs. At > > the moment there is no way that it could be sold at a competitive price > > against a PC PCI board. I've seen them for as little as L45 and they can > > support P300MMX. Can you begin to imagine the number of new sams that > > would have to be sold to be able to compete on price. Sorry I'm being a > > damp rag. > > True, but it all comes down to this; at the end of the day any hardware > is going to cost money, and people - > if they want to buy stuff for their SAM to make it better - are going to > have to pay for it] [1! But are we only aiming at current users who wish to upgrade or are going for new users. There is such a small market of current users that unless new people are converted to sam (sam2/samson/whatever) then nobody is going to be able to recover development costs. Unless one of us wins the lottery ;-) (Obnotme) > > > > ROM, how about giving it an upgradeable (and customisable?) Flash ROM? > > Now where have I heard this before. > True.... how far did you get with your static ROM board Nev? Did you > ever look at Cookies ideas? I got as far as "sod this for a lark I?ve got better things to do". The constant arguments just turned me right off and the little enthusiasm I had waned away. I did look at another design but can?t remember if it was Cookie?s or not. > > I have been pushing for this for ages but always get it knocked back as > > the files structure of the existing dos limits the disk to 800K. Any > > other file system would not be backwards compatible. Now that wouldn't > > bother me. After all I had to make a once only transfer of all my micro > > drives. Any one else got any feelings about this ? > > I agree with you to be honest. Surely if a new system was done, the > hardware could even > come with something to read conventional SAM disks and re-write them to > the new format... worse case senario. Yep. As long as the data can be recovered then even a slow BASIC program reading and writing raw sectors would be useable. I don?t envisage anyone wanting to pass data both ways on a regular basis but if they did then I am sure they could put up with the slowness of a stand alone utility. > Otherwise, a simple but tacky idea mentioned in passing by Dr Andy > Wright to me a while ago was to use double sized sectors (1k) to use HD > disks with a slight re-write of the DOS.... What's anyones feelings on > this? I would think that the changes needed to the dos would be less if we just went to 16 sectors per track. Still gives the backward compatibility prob though. > > > > someone would have to spend a hell of a long time (and money) planning, > > > > designing and making things work. > > Ah you are a realist. > > Doesn't anything...? It's all down to how much you want to do it.... > Surely WC C could help promote any decent project handled by other > people? Dave ] Please don?t me laff so hard first thing in the morning. WCC help hahahahhahahahaha > Is there any other chips compatible with the 1772? Has anyone looked > seriously? Would Western Digital have created a later model? Or is it > possible to "emulate" it any other way? There are AFAIK no other chips with the same processor interface and command set. Therefore none are plug compatible. However if we (someone) are going to rewrite dos (and probably the rom) then different controllers are no problem, except that whatever we choose will go out of production the following day. > > The only problem here is will any h/w upgrade be useable on a new > > version of sam ? > > If there's THAT much of an improvement, I think the upgraders wounldn't care] See note [1! above. Nev From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Dec 29 09:22:04 1997 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 09:14:00 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: Sam2000, anyone? In-Reply-To: <34a6d1cf.2882625@mail.enterprise.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a <8OHKkEUpoELRXgFKFsA4hwDBr8> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1286 Lines: 30 In message <34a6d1cf.2882625@mail.enterprise.net>, Dave Whitmore writes >I think I'd prefer a SIM SAM2000. :) > >Running an Amiga, a PC, a speccy a SAM and god knows what else >through one box is my idea of a great time. That's probably because >I'm sad, but there y'go. :) > >Even though talk of new file systems (able to handle high density >disks - wow!) is interesting, I'd like to put my miserable oar in and >say it's just not worth it. Most of us have better machines now, and >who but the most philanthropic are gonna fork-out on stuff for their >'old' computer? People want speed, power, big storage and fansastic >graphics these days (to name but a few attractions). > >How many people on this list would seriously consider 'upgrading' >their SAM to an even more obscure platform? Not me! :) Graham -- /====================================================\ +--------------+ | My proverb for this week: | |This Space For| | "The less bits, the less can go wrong... | | Hire - Ideal | | Unless you wobble something important at the back" | |For Weddings &| \==Graham Goring - graham@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk==/ | Bahmitzvas | My Website, coming to a server near you - SOON +--------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Dec 29 09:38:24 1997 Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 04:33:33 EST From: "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Sam2000, anyone? Message-Id: <19971229093340Z49160-22485+81@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1171 Lines: 34 Date: 1997-12-29 09:32 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 09:14:00 +0000 > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > From: Graham Goring > Subject: Re: Sam2000, anyone? > > In message <34a6d1cf.2882625@mail.enterprise.net>, Dave Whitmore > writes > >I think I'd prefer a SIM SAM2000. :) > > > >Running an Amiga, a PC, a speccy a SAM and god knows what else > >through one box is my idea of a great time. That's probably because > >I'm sad, but there y'go. :) > > > >Even though talk of new file systems (able to handle high density > >disks - wow]) is interesting, I'd like to put my miserable oar in and > >say it's just not worth it. Most of us have better machines now, and > >who but the most philanthropic are gonna fork-out on stuff for their > >'old' computer? People want speed, power, big storage and fansastic > >graphics these days (to name but a few attractions). > > > >How many people on this list would seriously consider 'upgrading' > >their SAM to an even more obscure platform? > > Not me] :) > Not me meither. Nev From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Dec 29 13:12:19 1997 Message-Id: <34A7A10A.8A921A41@cableol.co.uk> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 13:09:30 +0000 From: SparkY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam2000, anyone? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <19971229093340Z49160-22485+81@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 280 Lines: 12 Graham Goring wrote: > > >How many people on this list would seriously consider 'upgrading' > > >their SAM to an even more obscure platform? > > > > Not me] :) > > > Not me meither. > > Nev Erm. Erk. Well, erm, umm, *cringes, feels stupid but will say it anyway*... I would! :) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Dec 29 13:24:41 1997 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <1cb110be.34a7a312@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 08:18:07 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam2000, anyone? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1974 Lines: 50 In a message dated 29/12/97 00:03:56, you write: > I think I'd prefer a SIM SAM2000. :) > > Running an Amiga, a PC, a speccy a SAM and god knows what else > through one box is my idea of a great time. That's probably because > I'm sad, but there y'go. :) > > Even though talk of new file systems (able to handle high density > disks - wow!) is interesting, I'd like to put my miserable oar in and > say it's just not worth it. Most of us have better machines now, and > who but the most philanthropic are gonna fork-out on stuff for their > 'old' computer? People want speed, power, big storage and fansastic > graphics these days (to name but a few attractions). Define 'better machines' Dave? True, you can have more power and speed - until you load the latest Microslow software to bring you machine bact to 386 levels. True you can have gigasquids of storeage, just so the latest realease can have more space to fill with things you will never use. Any yes, you can have higher res graphics in millions of colours - but what for? Are the games any more playable because the graphics are photo-real? > > How many people on this list would seriously consider 'upgrading' > their SAM to an even more obscure platform? That is why every developement must be done first as an add-on to the exisitng SAM. So nobody is left behind. > > Even if half the list reply saying they would (very doubtful), then > that's probably your lot. > > But this is way out of the spirit of the SAM community, isn't it. > > Okay, go for it.. dream on.. > > If anyone wants to flame me in real-time, my ICQ number is 6509488 > > > Bye, > > Dave Whitmore > If, in time, a machine could be developed that was a reasonable advance on SAM then I do think a market would exist. The price would have to be below 300ukp (the more below the better) and in the first instance it should be useable with a TV (which the current SAM Elite is not). -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Dec 29 13:24:41 1997 Message-ID: <34A812D6.3016@clara.net> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 13:15:02 -0800 From: David-Editor of Blitz Fanzine! Organization: Blitz Diskzine X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam2000, anyone? References: <19971229093340Z49160-22485+81@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> <34A7A10A.8A921A41@cableol.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 383 Lines: 18 SparkY wrote: > > Graham Goring wrote: > > > >How many people on this list would seriously consider 'upgrading' > > > >their SAM to an even more obscure platform? > > > > > > Not me] :) > > > > > Not me meither. > > > > Nev > > Erm. Erk. Well, erm, umm, *cringes, feels stupid but will say it > anyway*... I would! :) Well! THat's 2 for a start :) BTW are you still on-line Gav? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Dec 29 13:24:51 1997 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <15c5fe52.34a7a30e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 08:18:03 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Sam2000, anyone? Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id NAA11723 Status: RO Content-Length: 4502 Lines: 95 In a message dated 28/12/97 18:22:14, you write: > Since so many people seem to be leaving the group, I suppose it's time for > the silent folk like myself to start filling it up again, so let's see > where this gets us, shall we? I call this little number 'Fantasy Sam'. > > In Blitz issue 6, Phil Wilson wrote a letter about putting his Sam into a > PC tower case... That started me thinking about new version of the Sam. There are several people who have taken the time to put their SAM into a mini/midi tower case. It is not the easiest of jobs, but it can be done. > > If you look inside the Sam as it is, the case is only it's current size and > shape to accomodate the two floppy drives. If the Sam was remodelled > specifically for a tower case, to could be made much more efficient. Efficient in some ways, but not in others. To use SAM(son) in a tower case will need a keyboard interface to allow PC type keyboards to be used. Not to difficult to do a simple one, very difficult to do one that would work with all known software. However, the big advantage would be cost. SAM's base plate cost 12ukp, the case top cannot be made again when existing supplies run out (but there are plenty in stock so don't worry) unless around 3,000 ukp is spent resurfacing the tooling. Last case to purchased cost I understand 26ukp each. SAM keyboards would only cost around 6ukp each but the order would have to be for 5,000+, add the little extras like PSU, plastic bits and screws and you see the price is quite high. On the other hand. A mini-tower case with psu and power lead, complete with screws and all that would cost <25ukp even in small quantity. A keyboard would come in at around 12ukp with a few special key-caps (based on making 10,000 of each key-cap). As you will see, on price alone this is the way that SAMSON has to go. >For > example, in another letter, Kevin Cross mentioned that he'd already wired > his mouse interface into his Sam - a much better idea, as the trailing wire > and huge box don't exactly inspire confidence in Sam hardware, and both > have a habit of moving and wrecking your chances of precise mouse movement > unless they're stuck down firmly. Alternatively, could someone not re-work > the mouse side of things so it works with a 9-pin PC serial mouse as > standard? To work with existing software the serial mouse interface would cost more than the existing one. However, I'm sure a disc of mods could be written so that software could be adapted to work with a new interface. Any others like to comment? > > The SamBus could also be incorporated into the motherboard, meaning easier > hardware additions released as cards, rather than ugly white boxes, with > any interfaces coming out through the backplate. True, to a point. It would certainly go that way is a tower case was used - it would be daft not to. >Memory upgrades could be > made much simpler by including a SIMM slot into the design, why pay £80 for > a 1Mb memory brick, when a 4Mb Simm costs next-to-nothing these days (if > you can find 'em!). Again, true to a point. The problem is that the ASIC was designed for the current memory. I'm not say it can't be made to work, it is just that everyone who has looked at it so far has given up :( >Also, with a tower system, the possiblilties of adding > more drives begin to look a little better. The limit with the 1772 is 2 drives, but there again the 1772 can't continue for much longer as they are now so expensive. >Two floppy drives and a hard > drive anyone? How about adding one of those 120Mb floppy drives? Or what > about a CD-ROM? Also, considering the teething troubles of the existing Sam > ROM, how about giving it an upgradeable (and customisable?) Flash ROM? A new ROM is, dispite certain people on this list doing everything they could to squash the idea, still being worked on. But without more help it will be a long haul. > > Obviously, being a total hardware know-nothing, I'm just waffling. There's > probably a very good reason for the 2-drive limit, for example. Either way, > someone would have to spend a hell of a long time (and money) planning, > designing and making things work. > > It'd make a great Sam for the year 2000, though, wouldn't it? Yes it would. And there is NO REASON why it could not come true if only a few people would start putting some serious effort into it. There is work to be done, at many levels, is people are willing. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Dec 29 13:31:35 1997 Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 08:28:01 EST From: "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Sam2000, anyone? Message-Id: <19971229132808Z49180-22485+124@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 597 Lines: 25 Date: 1997-12-29 13:25 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 13:09:30 +0000 >From: SparkY >To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no >Subject: Re: Sam2000, anyone? >Graham Goring wrote: >> > >How many people on this list would seriously consider 'upgrading' >> > >their SAM to an even more obscure platform? >> > >> > Not me? :) >> > >> Not me meither. >> >> Nev > >Erm. Erk. Well, erm, umm, *cringes, feels stupid but will say it >anyway*... I would] :) No need to cringe or feel stupid. Good on ya Gav. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Dec 29 14:09:40 1997 Message-ID: <34A81691.7566@clara.net> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 13:30:58 -0800 From: David-Editor of Blitz Fanzine! Organization: Blitz Diskzine X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam2000, anyone? References: <19971229082947Z49156-22485+69@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 4077 Lines: 97 YOUNG, Neville / IT Life wrote: > I don?t think the name matters at all. Unless .... [see 1 below! True. Sod-it! Just call it Sid and leave it that for now! > > True, but it all comes down to this; at the end of the day any hardware > > is going to cost money, and people - > > if they want to buy stuff for their SAM to make it better - are going to > > have to pay for it] > [1! But are we only aiming at current users who wish to upgrade or are going > for new users. There is such a small market of current users that unless new > people are converted to sam (sam2/samson/whatever) then nobody is going to > be able to recover development costs. Unless one of us wins the lottery ;-) > (Obnotme) Agreed. It always comes down to money. But who knows... maybe someone interested enough may win! Saying which, if enough people are interested in any new hardware while it's in the early stages, then there's a better chances of recouperating costs. So long as they all put their money where their mouth is. > > > > > ROM, how about giving it an upgradeable (and customisable?) Flash > ROM? > > > Now where have I heard this before. > > True.... how far did you get with your static ROM board Nev? Did you > > ever look at Cookies ideas? > I got as far as "sod this for a lark I?ve got better things to do". The > constant arguments just turned me right off and the little enthusiasm I had > waned away. I did look at another design but can?t remember if it was > Cookie?s or not. Look, the bickering really came down to SAMSBOSS being an arrogant pratt (how many t's in pratt by the way?) and a few other people just being stupid. PLEASE take another look at it. I know personally I'd like to see a new whizzy processor - but the S-RAM board has it's place in things somewhere... > Yep. As long as the data can be recovered then even a slow BASIC program > reading and writing raw sectors would be useable. I don?t envisage anyone > wanting to pass data both ways on a regular basis but if they did then I am > sure they could put up with the slowness of a stand alone utility. Agreed. > > Otherwise, a simple but tacky idea mentioned in passing by Dr Andy > > Wright to me a while ago was to use double sized sectors (1k) to use HD > > disks with a slight re-write of the DOS.... What's anyones feelings on > > this? > I would think that the changes needed to the dos would be less if we just > went to 16 sectors per track. Still gives the backward compatibility prob > though. How would that work easier than 1k Sectors, using the standard structure as it is? Not saying it won't but you've lost me here. > > Doesn't anything...? It's all down to how much you want to do it.... > > Surely WC C could help promote any decent project handled by other > > people? > > Dave ] Please don?t me laff so hard first thing in the morning. WCC help > hahahahhahahahaha Glad to put a smile on your face! But hey, stranger things have happened! > There are AFAIK no other chips with the same processor interface and command > set. Therefore none are plug compatible. However if we (someone) are going > to rewrite dos (and probably the rom) then different controllers are no > problem, except that whatever we choose will go out of production the > following day. Okay, so we need a new controller - and it won't be socket compatible. So that's understood. Does that mean that there isn't one reasonable _close_ to the design, that could work without too much messing around? Or are there other options? Here's an idea.... how about a combi PCKeyboard interface/Mouse Interface/Drive interface. I believe a Keyboard interface has been done, and if it does use a Z80 for controlling, then there's no reason why it couldn't be further enhanced to handle the other two tasks. Or is there any reason why the Z80 can't controll a disk drive? > > > The only problem here is will any h/w upgrade be useable on a new > > > version of sam ? > > > > If there's THAT much of an improvement, I think the upgraders wounldn't > care] > > See note [1! above. > > Nev David From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Dec 29 14:09:40 1997 Message-ID: <34A81982.336A@clara.net> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 13:43:30 -0800 From: David-Editor of Blitz Fanzine! Organization: Blitz Diskzine X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam2000, anyone? References: <1cb110be.34a7a312@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1984 Lines: 51 BrenchleyR wrote: > > Define 'better machines' Dave? True, you can have more power and speed - until > you load the latest Microslow software to bring you machine bact to 386 > levels. True you can have gigasquids of storeage, just so the latest realease > can have more space to fill with things you will never use. Any yes, you can > have higher res graphics in millions of colours - but what for? Are the games > any more playable because the graphics are photo-real? Hey Bob! I agree with you :) (Now there's a change!) Seriously! There's a bit of potential still in the SAM family... it just needs things to move SOON! Yeah - like most of us on the list, I've a PC ... but the SAM is still a lot more stable and reliable... and crashes much less :) (Mind you, I don't kick the SAM as much as the PC!) > > How many people on this list would seriously consider 'upgrading' > > their SAM to an even more obscure platform? > > That is why every developement must be done first as an add-on to the exisitng > SAM. So nobody is left behind. Well, there's at least 2 you know of now: Gavin & Me! And OBVIOUSLY there's others.... And on the subject of obscure, what about owners of the Quazar Surround soundcard? They're still being very well supported - and with perhaps a little more promotion by some of the "larger" magazines... perhaps the numbers of QSS owners will jump even higher! > If, in time, a machine could be developed that was a reasonable advance on > SAM then I do think a market would exist. The price would have to be below > 300ukp (the more below the better) and in the first instance it should be > useable with a TV (which the current SAM Elite is not). > > -- > Bob. Of course there is.... but the first stage is to get cracking on the hardware upgrades.... And letting people know that things are being worked on. In fact, that - letting people know that things are being worked on - is the MOST important initial stage of anything... David From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Dec 29 14:09:40 1997 Message-ID: <34A81DA1.56C3@clara.net> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 14:01:05 -0800 From: David-Editor of Blitz Fanzine! Organization: Blitz Diskzine X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam2000, anyone? References: <15c5fe52.34a7a30e@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id OAA12352 Status: RO Content-Length: 5451 Lines: 127 BrenchleyR wrote: > There are several people who have taken the time to put their SAM into a > mini/midi tower case. It is not the easiest of jobs, but it can be done. Yes, I know of at least one ... Derek Morgan. How do these people sort out a keyboard though? I'm interested in hearing about any keyboard interfacing solutions. > Efficient in some ways, but not in others. To use SAM(son) in a tower case > will need a keyboard interface to allow PC type keyboards to be used. Not to > difficult to do a simple one, very difficult to do one that would work with > all known software. Basically one of the latter interfaces would come down to a constantly running processor, scanning for input from the PC keyboard and translating it to the relevant input for the SAM, right? Or in short - say a Z80 running with a small ROM - with the program doing a constant translation. May even have enough power to handle a mouse translation as well? > However, the big advantage would be cost. SAM's base plate cost 12ukp, the > case top cannot be made again when existing supplies run out (but there are > plenty in stock so don't worry) unless around 3,000 ukp is spent resurfacing > the tooling. Last case to purchased cost I understand 26ukp each. SAM > keyboards would only cost around 6ukp each but the order would have to be for > 5,000+, add the little extras like PSU, plastic bits and screws and you see > the price is quite high. I'm all for the tower solution on the practicle side. But I still like SAM's novel keyboard :) > On the other hand. A mini-tower case with psu and power lead, complete with > screws and all that would cost <25ukp even in small quantity. A keyboard would > come in at around 12ukp with a few special key-caps (based on making 10,000 of > each key-cap). And it would save on a power supply :) They're not cheap to make up special ones! > As you will see, on price alone this is the way that SAMSON has to go. Agreed. (Or whatever it's called :) ) > >For > > example, in another letter, Kevin Cross mentioned that he'd already wired > > his mouse interface into his Sam - a much better idea, as the trailing wire > > and huge box don't exactly inspire confidence in Sam hardware, and both > > have a habit of moving and wrecking your chances of precise mouse movement > > unless they're stuck down firmly. Alternatively, could someone not re-work > > the mouse side of things so it works with a 9-pin PC serial mouse as > > standard? > > To work with existing software the serial mouse interface would cost more than > the existing one. However, I'm sure a disc of mods could be written so that > software could be adapted to work with a new interface. Any others like to > comment? Some things like Lemmings would be tricky to deal with - but the things like that are few and far between. Perhaps a decent hacker/programmer can re-write the mouse routines anyway? I understand that Simon Goodwin had some luck using a PC Serial Mouse? I seemed to recall someone hacking into SAMPaint to add seriel support as well. > > The SamBus could also be incorporated into the motherboard, meaning easier > > hardware additions released as cards, rather than ugly white boxes, with > > any interfaces coming out through the backplate. > > True, to a point. It would certainly go that way is a tower case was used - > it would be daft not to. Agreed! > >Memory upgrades could be > > made much simpler by including a SIMM slot into the design, why pay £80 for > > a 1Mb memory brick, when a 4Mb Simm costs next-to-nothing these days (if > > you can find 'em!). > > Again, true to a point. The problem is that the ASIC was designed for the > current memory. I'm not say it can't be made to work, it is just that everyone > who has looked at it so far has given up :( As I said earlier, I've some info on these things... > >Also, with a tower system, the possiblilties of adding > > more drives begin to look a little better. > > The limit with the 1772 is 2 drives, but there again the 1772 can't continue > for much longer as they are now so expensive. Agreed. > >Two floppy drives and a hard > > drive anyone? How about adding one of those 120Mb floppy drives? Or what > > about a CD-ROM? Also, considering the teething troubles of the existing Sam > > ROM, how about giving it an upgradeable (and customisable?) Flash ROM? > > A new ROM is, dispite certain people on this list doing everything they could > to squash the idea, still being worked on. But without more help it will be a > long haul. But let's keep Disk spelt with a K :) And no, this isn't a matter for arguing over! The spelling of a word is such a silly thing to row over, don't you think? > > Obviously, being a total hardware know-nothing, I'm just waffling. There's > > probably a very good reason for the 2-drive limit, for example. Either way, > > someone would have to spend a hell of a long time (and money) planning, > > designing and making things work. > > > > It'd make a great Sam for the year 2000, though, wouldn't it? > > Yes it would. And there is NO REASON why it could not come true if only a few > people would start putting some serious effort into it. I know what I'll put on my Christmas list that year :) > There is work to be done, at many levels, is people are willing. > > -- > Bob. Hear Hear! (Sounds of loud applause from this direction echo all the way to Gloucester!) David From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Dec 29 15:02:40 1997 X-Authentication-Warning: muon.mono.org: unc owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 14:56:38 +0000 (GMT) From: Tim Paveley To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Merry Xmas Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 114 Lines: 6 Hiya, just discovered I've lost my dplinux email address. anything exciting happened in the last week? ....@/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Dec 29 15:12:06 1997 Message-ID: <34A82CD8.A49@clara.net> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 15:06:00 -0800 From: David-Editor of Blitz Fanzine! Organization: Blitz Diskzine X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Merry Xmas References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 414 Lines: 17 Tim Paveley wrote: > > Hiya, > just discovered I've lost my dplinux email address. > > anything exciting happened in the last week? > > ....@/ Well Tim, if you've missed the last few postings, we're actually talking again for a start - and thanx to Gordon Wallis - are even talking about SAM enhancements etc. I'm sure someone can send you a copy of the postings if you've missed them. David From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Dec 29 15:23:11 1997 Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 10:20:10 EST From: "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Merry Xmas Message-Id: <19971229152024Z49210-22485+151@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 704 Lines: 27 Date: 1997-12-29 15:17 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 14:56:38 +0000 (GMT) >From: Tim Paveley >To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no >Subject: Merry Xmas > >Hiya, > anything exciting happened in the last week? Yes ]]]] Gordon Wallis started a thread about Sam 2000 and as a result David-Editor of Blitz Fanzine and BrenchleyR are both inputting to the thread and ----- They're agreeing ]]]] (on some points at least) Lets all hope the season of good will lasts and the feuds of the past are indeed - passed. Nev - (with a funny sort of warm glow in his tummy) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Dec 29 23:03:22 1997 From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam2000, anyone? Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 19:32:50 GMT Message-ID: <34a6dd06.5753782@mail.enterprise.net> References: <199712281253_MC2-2D58-8851@compuserve.com> <34A70EB1.6B64@clara.net> <34A6B8AC.102E@ndirect.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <34A6B8AC.102E@ndirect.co.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 313 Lines: 14 On Sun, 28 Dec 1997 20:38:04 +0000, you wrote: Nev, >But if we were going to change the dick format we could change the ^^^ >controller chip and everything else. F'christsakes! Can't you guys be satisfied with what you've got? :) Bye, Dave Whitmore From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Dec 29 23:03:29 1997 From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam2000, anyone? Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 19:32:52 GMT Message-ID: <34a7ee7d.27211915@mail.enterprise.net> References: <1cb110be.34a7a312@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <1cb110be.34a7a312@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2627 Lines: 57 On Mon, 29 Dec 1997 08:18:07 EST, you wrote: Yibble Yo Bob! :) >> 'old' computer? People want speed, power, big storage and fansastic >> graphics these days (to name but a few attractions). > >Define 'better machines' Dave? True, you can have more power and speed - until >you load the latest Microslow software to bring you machine bact to 386 >levels. True you can have gigasquids of storeage, just so the latest realease >can have more space to fill with things you will never use. Any yes, you can >have higher res graphics in millions of colours - but what for? Are the games >any more playable because the graphics are photo-real? Better machines are ones that have all the great features of their own, like the 24-bit colours, the giga-squids storage, bleedin' big bloatware and daft games with photoreal graphics - PLUS the ability to emulate all the much-loved systems of yesteryear. I'm a great fan of SIM Coupe, it lets me add 4 virtual 1 meg memory expansions - without the need of a SAMBUS. I'm also a fan of UAE (Ultimate Amiga Emulator), KGen - the Megadrive emulator, MAME, X128 - and anything else I can find in the next few weeks when I go looking. I think it would be a great idea if someone like our friend Colin MacDonald would stick all the back-issues of FRED, Enceladus, the SAM editions of Outlet - and maybe lots of other bits - PD mags, etc., onto a CDROM- as .DSK files. At say 20-30 quid (whatever) a shot, he could make a bit of money for himself, preserve a lot of SAMs history, and show the people who never caught the show the first time around what they missed. And while I'm at it, another good idea might be for Persona to advertise Blitz to SIM Coupe users - send them a Zipped .DSK file on a PC disk. Or just do a special SIM Coupe edition at a tempting price... >> How many people on this list would seriously consider 'upgrading' >> their SAM to an even more obscure platform? > >That is why every developement must be done first as an add-on to the exisitng >SAM. So nobody is left behind. Left behind? :-) >If, in time, a machine could be developed that was a reasonable advance on >SAM then I do think a market would exist. The price would have to be below >300ukp (the more below the better) and in the first instance it should be >useable with a TV (which the current SAM Elite is not). Isn't it? I thought most TVs had SCART now. If SAM had been lucky enough to have been released, say, two years before it was, it'd still be history now, because MGT would have no doubt brought out a better machine soon after. That was the plan, wasn't it? Bye, Dave Whitmore From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Dec 30 00:22:27 1997 Message-ID: <19971229225927.15733.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [138.251.118.67] From: Colin Piggot To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam2000, anyone? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 14:59:26 PST X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2758 Lines: 59 David said: > 1 (I'm not typing the full name in again Colin, we all know how > wonderful it is - and how to get it! And if anyone's got the money, > still likes their SAM and hasn't bought one - then they are a silly > so-and-so who deserves to be hit on the head with a wet haddock! > BUY ONE TODAY .... and a copy of Stratosphere! Better still, buy > two and have one for spare.) I won't disagree there...! But please do not use any abbreviations for the name of the 'Quazar Surround' soundcard... it can get confusing and irratating. > what about owners of the > Quazar Surround soundcard? They're still being very well > supported - and with perhaps a little more promotion by > some of the "larger" magazines... perhaps the numbers of Quazar > Surround owners will jump even higher! (Abbreviation fixed!) The Quazar Surround is supported very well indeed - there's more software being released with support from other companies than software without support - as a quick example - take Mungus Software - all their titles support the Quazar Surround. Soundbyte - the monthly disk for the Quazar Surround soundcard is now on issue 33! (With 34 (January) out in about 15 days) and it is published every month - with no gaps! On the point about magazines - some magazines do not seem to like printing news. I send out press releases every 2-3 months (next one going out in a week or two once i've DTP'd it). A big thanks to magazines such as Blitz, Format and Zodiac for printing news. It seems daft to me why some other mags do not print news - you would think they would want to let their readers know about everything that is happening in the Sam World. (And one final point I must emphasise is that all the full games I have done (like the latest game ... Stratosphere) will work without the Quazar Surround soundcard so you don't miss out!) Colin Piggot. Footnote - if anyone wants all the info on all my hardware and software then email me your postal address and i'll send you an info booklet.... __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ /_ / / /_/ / / //_ /_//_//_ / /_ : Fast Mode 4 __/ / / / / / /_/__// / //_ / /_ : 3d Vector Action! +------------------------+-------------------------------+ | COLIN PIGGOT | __ ___ __ | | c_piggot@hotmail.com | /| | | | | / | | |\ | | | / | | | |__| / |__| |_\ | | QUAZAR: HARDWARE AND | /_\| |__| | | /__ | | | \ | | SOFTWARE FOR THE SAM | | +------------------------+-------------------------------+ Quazar Surround : breathtaking 16 bit sound on Sam! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Dec 30 00:22:30 1997 Message-ID: <34A89D0B.59C9@clara.net> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 23:04:43 -0800 From: David-Editor of Blitz Fanzine! Organization: Blitz Diskzine X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam2000 - OK, but... References: <199712291746_MC2-2D7A-34C1@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 3084 Lines: 68 Gordon Wallis wrote: > > Hokay, first off, I guess I must have missed a few episodes a while back, > as I seem to have repeated loads of ideas that were being bandied about > half a century ago, so apologies (if necessary (snort)) for that. Dont worry! There where some good ideas being kicked around a while ago - but disagreements spoiled things somewhat. Perhaps we can start to dust some of them off now? > I'm going to have to agree with Bob regarding Dave Whitmore's frankly > disturbing love of the 'better machines'. I have a PC myself, and I'm > getting very bored with it. Yes the graphics are better, yes the sound is > better (OK, I admit it, I still haven't bought a Quazar sound card - I > deserve to be stoned! (er, meaning hit with high velocity rocks, as opposed Well, perhaps a little extreme - (and BTW it's the Quazar Surround soundcard :) ) > to merely becoming stoned due to the traditions associated with the time of > year)), but I've really had more than enough Doom clones, and the only > reason I got Quake was the Nine Inch Nails soundtrack! The Playstation is Hmmmm... I'll have to get that then :) > The Sam is in a tiny little niche and I agree it's got to be expanded if > we're really going to support the major upgrades that have been proposed. > Small upgrades and the "no-one gets left behind" strategy are a good idea. > All we've got to do is stop people leaving the Sam scene with a > half-finished project... And to drag some people back screaming if necessary! > That, and start paying the people who actually finish stuff... That'd be a first :) > And advertise (gaaah! where's all this money coming from?!)... Perhaps some of us could team up on this ...? > And chain console owners in front of a Sam until they admit it's more fun > than their console... Or Consol :) Agreed. Good idea!! I'll deal with the whipping of them as well. > And take over the world, ushering in a new Golden Age of 8-bit machines > (whoops, time to take my pills!). :) > I heard about the Sam accellerator/graphics card ideas, and they sound > great, but let's not get carried away - the better the graphics get, the > faster the machine would have to become to lug 'em around. (ie, let us not > forget 'Sphera'). I'd settle for 32 or 64 colours instead of 16, like the > pre-AGA Amigas, but I'm a luddite and I get panic attacks whenever anyone > mentions 256-colours. The Sega Megadrive (all PC owners look up Genecyst > NOW!) was (is?) a decent old games machine. If the Sam could do the kind of > thing it does (like plug in a CD drive!), I'd be more than happy. Not nesc! The idea would have been to have a board with it's own processor to take the workload off the Z80B .... then later, perhaps a board to replace even that? > Add me to the list of those insane enough to continue to support the Sam by > buying upgrades and, if one was to emerge, a new Sam (need a new keyboard > soon anyway!). I'm sure Bob can help you with this... :) > (mumbles: Quazar...hmmm...must buy...) Agreed! (But it's the Quazar Surround Soundcard :) ) David From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Dec 30 00:22:34 1997 Message-ID: <19971229230914.20517.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [138.251.118.67] From: Colin Piggot To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam2000 - OK, but... Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 15:09:14 PST X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1098 Lines: 29 Gordon Wallis said: > OK, I admit it, I still haven't bought a Quazar Surround soundcard > - I deserve to be stoned! (er, meaning hit with high velocity rocks, > as opposed to merely becoming stoned due to the traditions > associated with the time of year) >(mumbles: Quazar Surround...hmmm...must buy...) Good! (Hope you don't mind me editting what you said by putting in the word 'Surround') Colin Piggot. __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ /_ / / /_/ / / //_ /_//_//_ / /_ : Fast Mode 4 __/ / / / / / /_/__// / //_ / /_ : 3d Vector Action! +------------------------+-------------------------------+ | COLIN PIGGOT | __ ___ __ | | c_piggot@hotmail.com | /| | | | | / | | |\ | | | / | | | |__| / |__| |_\ | | QUAZAR: Hardware and | /_\| |__| | | /__ | | | \ | | Software for the Sam | | +------------------------+-------------------------------+ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Dec 30 00:23:22 1997 Message-ID: <34A8A092.38F0@clara.net> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 23:19:46 -0800 From: David-Editor of Blitz Fanzine! Organization: Blitz Diskzine X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Undelivered mail References: <1cb110be.34a7a312@aol.com> <34a7ee7d.27211915@mail.enterprise.net> <199712292303.XAA23597@mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 373 Lines: 13 Ian Collier wrote: > > Your mail, attached below, has not been delivered to imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk > because it triggered my spam detector for the following reason: > > I do not accept Bcc mail because it is increasingly being used to > transmit junk email. I apologise for any inconvenience caused to snip, snip!! Ian! I think your filter is not quite working :) David From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Dec 30 00:33:00 1997 Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 17:45:51 -0500 From: Gordon Wallis <101762.2062@compuserve.com> Subject: Sam2000 - OK, but... To: Sam Users Message-ID: <199712291746_MC2-2D7A-34C1@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 3389 Lines: 56 Hokay, first off, I guess I must have missed a few episodes a while back, as I seem to have repeated loads of ideas that were being bandied about half a century ago, so apologies (if necessary (snort)) for that. Thanks to Bob for listing the costs of Sam's case and keyboard - I was a little surprised by some of it. I had originally thought of having the Sam in a PC-like tower rather than yer-akchal PC-Tower, but I suppose going the whole hog does make more economic sense. The keyboard and mouse seem to be real problems. What's the likelihood of reworking (gaaah! more expense!!!) the existing keyboard and housing that in a little case, so we're using the same keyboard with (essentially) the same wiring, rather than having to 'interpret' the PC keyboard. Regarding the mouse, although I have the Sam mouse interface (and a means of securing it in place), I never use it. Quite why I don't know - I use the mouse on my PC, my Amiga, and all the computers I work with in the office (PCs and Macs for the most part). Maybe the Sam just isn't suited to such a luxury (or maybe spending days doing graphics in Flash/SamPaint via the keyboard has rotted my brain, and I'm no longer capable of doing it any other way...drool, wibble). I'm going to have to agree with Bob regarding Dave Whitmore's frankly disturbing love of the 'better machines'. I have a PC myself, and I'm getting very bored with it. Yes the graphics are better, yes the sound is better (OK, I admit it, I still haven't bought a Quazar sound card - I deserve to be stoned! (er, meaning hit with high velocity rocks, as opposed to merely becoming stoned due to the traditions associated with the time of year)), but I've really had more than enough Doom clones, and the only reason I got Quake was the Nine Inch Nails soundtrack! The Playstation is little better, though I am intrigued by Yaroze, the Saturn's only good for arcade conversions, and the N64 is one great big 3D-based joke. The Sam is in a tiny little niche and I agree it's got to be expanded if we're really going to support the major upgrades that have been proposed. Small upgrades and the "no-one gets left behind" strategy are a good idea. All we've got to do is stop people leaving the Sam scene with a half-finished project... That, and start paying the people who actually finish stuff... And advertise (gaaah! where's all this money coming from?!)... And chain console owners in front of a Sam until they admit it's more fun than their console... And take over the world, ushering in a new Golden Age of 8-bit machines (whoops, time to take my pills!). I heard about the Sam accellerator/graphics card ideas, and they sound great, but let's not get carried away - the better the graphics get, the faster the machine would have to become to lug 'em around. (ie, let us not forget 'Sphera'). I'd settle for 32 or 64 colours instead of 16, like the pre-AGA Amigas, but I'm a luddite and I get panic attacks whenever anyone mentions 256-colours. The Sega Megadrive (all PC owners look up Genecyst NOW!) was (is?) a decent old games machine. If the Sam could do the kind of thing it does (like plug in a CD drive!), I'd be more than happy. Add me to the list of those insane enough to continue to support the Sam by buying upgrades and, if one was to emerge, a new Sam (need a new keyboard soon anyway!). (mumbles: Quazar...hmmm...must buy...) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Dec 30 03:49:49 1997 Message-ID: <34A8DD25.7C99@clara.net> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 03:38:13 -0800 From: David-Editor of Blitz Fanzine! Organization: Blitz Diskzine X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: SAM and PC Monitors... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 121 Lines: 5 Quick question for Techy people listening! How tricky is it - in theory - to interface the SAM to a VGA monitor? David From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Dec 30 13:06:19 1997 From: Peter Harkess To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 19:51:18 +0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199712281253_MC2-2D58-8851@compuserve.com> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: Sam2000, anyone? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id NAA09625 Status: RO Content-Length: 1206 Lines: 28 Quoting Gordon Wallis , "Sam2000, anyone?": First of all i'd like to say hello to ya all.Most of you won't know who i am but i've been listening in to all the chat for about 4 months and this is the first time i've ever been compelled to write in. upgrading the SAM?? A tower for the sam,great idea i've been wanting to do that for a while but i've come across two problems the drives and the keyboard.If i could extend the ribbon for the key board then i reckon i could make up an extention cable for the drives,but can they be extended without losing the signal to much??Anyone help on that(i'd be keeping the sam keyboard just rehousing it). Simms.Yes please. cd-rom? Hmm is there really enough software to justify that? Yeah i think i'd like to upgrade my SAM but i have to agree with Dave W,people want faster machines,like myself i'm getting a pc at some point,but still would upgrade espesh if the uprades were the same price as the pc counterparts or even only slightly dearer,but take the sam hard-drive you've got to shell out £60 before you even think about getting the hard-drive. Yup i'd like add-ons but at a realistic price please and i will buy them. --- cheers Peter Harkess From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Dec 30 13:31:38 1997 X-Authentication-Warning: muon.mono.org: unc owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 13:19:12 +0000 (GMT) From: Tim Paveley To: sam-users Subject: Re: Termite In-Reply-To: <34A8683A.51EBE00D@cableol.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 710 Lines: 21 On Tue, 30 Dec 1997, SparkY wrote: > Hello Cookie :) I hear you are back in the UK, so I was just wondering > if you knew of anyone having any success with Termite yet? I know a few > people have e-mailed from SAM and I would love to do the same myself :) > Anyone any ideas, or anyone know how it's done? Me Too ;) Actually, how easy is all this to do, wasn't there a terminal proggy on nvg? I'm very close to selling out and buying a PC so I can spod from home (although I might be able to get a 2nd hand Sparc Ultra at a good price...) but if I could do this from my Sam for no more than about 100 quid, I'd be tempted to take the Sam route. (Hmm, how fast can the Sam cope with speed wise?) ....@/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Dec 30 14:47:40 1997 Message-ID: <34A97833.63CF@clara.net> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 14:39:47 -0800 From: David-Editor of Blitz Fanzine! Organization: Blitz Diskzine X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam2000, anyone? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id OAA10920 Status: RO Content-Length: 2042 Lines: 54 Peter Harkess wrote: > upgrading the SAM?? > A tower for the sam,great idea i've been wanting to do that for a while but > i've come across two problems the drives and the keyboard.If i could extend > the ribbon for the key board then i reckon i could make up an extention cable > for the drives,but can they be extended without losing the signal to > much??Anyone help on that(i'd be keeping the sam keyboard just rehousing it). Apparantly David Tonks has done this successfully.... But a Keyboard interface would be better - especially if it also combines a decent Comms interface with Serial mouse as well... Surely the drives wouln't be *that* tricky? > Simms.Yes please. Who doesn't want Simms! Me too :) > cd-rom? Hmm is there really enough software to justify that? Nah... leave that for now I think > Yeah i think i'd like to upgrade my SAM but i have to agree with Dave W,people > want faster machines,like myself i'm getting a pc at some point,but still > would upgrade espesh if the uprades were the same price as the pc counterparts > or even only slightly dearer,but take the sam hard-drive you've got to shell > out £60 before you even think about getting the hard-drive. > Yup i'd like add-ons but at a realistic price please and i will buy them. In all honesty - apart from the existing memory upgrade (due to it's chips type) I think they are priced realisticly.... With a PC they're making thousands of the things at a time.... With SAM, people make things as and when they're required... 50-60 quid is fairly reasonable for a HD controller - when you consider that not only do you have to cover the PC costs ... (say about 10-15 quid) but also the chips (say up to another 10-15) casing, packaging - and also a few quid for who-ever's putting them together... And I'm sure Colin would tell you that the Quazar Surround soundcard is hardly peanuts to make either... At the end of the day, someone has to pay for any new device... > --- > cheers > Peter Harkess Thanks for the input tho Peter. David From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Dec 30 14:47:40 1997 Message-ID: <34A97895.C0A@clara.net> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 14:41:26 -0800 From: David-Editor of Blitz Fanzine! Organization: Blitz Diskzine X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Termite References: <34A8683A.51EBE00D@cableol.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 756 Lines: 20 SparkY wrote: > > Hello Cookie :) I hear you are back in the UK, so I was just wondering > if you knew of anyone having any success with Termite yet? I know a few > people have e-mailed from SAM and I would love to do the same myself :) > Anyone any ideas, or anyone know how it's done? I hear that Derek Morgan managed to use it successfully for accessing Dalmation... But it needs a modified Comms i/f and a 14.4K modem. > (Actually, getting some kind of Internet package together - with a text > based web browser and a simple e-mail client might be one of the best > things we could do for SAM at the moment - and if it's already being > done, it couldn't be all that hard to produce a package that could be > sold - could it?) > > Gavin Agreed! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Dec 30 16:47:01 1997 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <7c21ccaf.34a9221b@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 11:32:25 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam2000, anyone? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 745 Lines: 19 In a message dated 30/12/97 00:55:12, you write: > >Define 'better machines' Dave? > > Well, I'll field this one. A better machine is just about any modern > day PC when compared to the SAM. And I'm being objective here. The > only thing that makes the SAM is the spirit of the people who write for > it, and even that is waning. It's been waning for years really. :( > > Graham Have to disagree with you there Graham. What makes SAM such a good machine is that it is a machine that can be programmed. You can 'know SAM', it is not like a PC where the inner workings are kept from you behind layers of operating systems an application software. You can peek and poke, alter things and experiment, you can have fun with SAM. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Dec 30 16:47:02 1997 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 11:32:27 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam2000, anyone? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1088 Lines: 22 In a message dated 30/12/97 01:06:48, you write: > > Ooooooh, Mr. Cheerful aren't we :) The SAM community is certainly > fading, we all know that, but maybe if we got a decent little machine > together, enough people would buy it from: the existing SAM community, > those who left the SAM community because of a lack of new stuff, all > those Speccy owners who never upgraded to the SAM and the massive number > of people who are interested in 8-bit machines and other "obscure" > machines. We aren't aiming to have the new SAM in every Dixons and > Currys etc (although it could be a nice alternative to the Amstrad PCW > if it was sold for a couple of hundred quid or so...). Speaking of > which, what happened to the relatively new version of the PCW after > Amstrad died? > It is interesting to note that the wide spread use of Spectrum emulators like Z80 has led to many people hunting out REAL Spectrums to play with. That is one reason why I'm so keen on Sim Coupe, because I think it will create new users for the existing SAM as well as for future SAMs. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Dec 30 16:47:03 1997 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <5283ba5f.34a92215@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 11:32:19 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Merry Xmas Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 146 Lines: 10 In a message dated 29/12/97 15:24:16, you write: > > Nev - (with a funny sort of warm glow in his tummy) > > It's indigestion :) -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Dec 30 16:47:03 1997 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 11:32:22 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam2000, anyone? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 997 Lines: 28 In a message dated 29/12/97 19:47:09, you write: [snipped quite a bit cos I ain't got time to reply to it all right now] > > Isn't it? I thought most TVs had SCART now. If SAM had been lucky > enough to have been released, say, two years before it was, it'd still > be history now, because MGT would have no doubt brought out a better > machine soon after. That was the plan, wasn't it? > > Bye, > > Dave Whitmore It just so happens that I have bee looking at TVs in the last week or so as one of our portables is now 15 years old and showing signes of its age. Sub 200 quid SCART still seems to be very hit and miss, some of the cheapest have it, some of the more expensive do not. But it is true that every TV has an UHF input. I also feel that the sort of person a new SAM should be aimed at would not look at it if s/he had to upgrade the TV at the same time. So, UHF yes, SCART yes, and several TVs I've seen has S-VHS input - does anyone know anything about that? -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Dec 30 16:47:04 1997 Date: Tue, 30 Dec 97 16:39:14 GMT Message-ID: <913_OASIS_@lhutz.demon.co.uk> From: James@lhutz.demon.co.uk (James R Curry) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Mailer: OASIS Post Box (Atari) v1.31E Subject: Re: Sam2000, anyone? X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 786 Lines: 24 In E-Mail <$c$fcDAWDEq0Ewfs@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk> Graham Goring wrote:- >Well, I'll field this one. A better machine is just about any modern >day PC when compared to the SAM. And I'm being objective here. The >only thing that makes the SAM is the spirit of the people who write for >it, and even that is waning. It's been waning for years really. :( Unbeliever! BURN HIM! BURN HIM!!! ;) __ James R Curry - James@lhutz.demon.co.uk "You never know when an old calendar might come in handy. Sure, it's not 1985 right now, but who knows what tomorrow will bring?" - Homer Simpson, The Simpsons. The official James R Curry web page - Very soon, I promise. Honest. Ah, come on, you believe me, don't you?! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Dec 30 16:54:14 1997 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <36d63b5f.34a92220@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 11:32:30 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Sam2000, anyone? Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id QAA12487 Status: RO Content-Length: 3146 Lines: 73 In a message dated 30/12/97 12:55:57, you write: > Quoting Gordon Wallis , "Sam2000, anyone?": > > First of all i'd like to say hello to ya all.Most of you won't know who i am > but i've been listening in to all the chat for about 4 months and this is > the > first time i've ever been compelled to write in. > > upgrading the SAM?? > A tower for the sam,great idea i've been wanting to do that for a while but > i've come across two problems the drives and the keyboard.If i could extend > the ribbon for the key board then i reckon i could make up an extention > cable > for the drives,but can they be extended without losing the signal to > much??Anyone help on that(i'd be keeping the sam keyboard just rehousing it). Ok. 1) Drive cables. Using the new type drive interfaces, these work up to about 18 inches of cable - more than enough. I've never tried extending the slim-line drives but there could be a few more problems as you will add capacitive load to the main data/address lines. 2) keyboard. Wellllllll, I've seen the keyboard membranes extended, but it is not the route I would take. What is really needed in an interface to decode a PC keyboard and output to SAM something that it can read as if it were its own keyboard. Problems would exist, SAM can read more than one key being pressed at a time - the PC cannot. Any ideas on how to get round this? > > > Simms.Yes please. That is what they all say :) > > cd-rom? Hmm is there really enough software to justify that? Yes, no, maybe, well, sortof. When the concept of CD ROMs was first put forward the idea was that they would contain DATA (not programs) and the data would be machine independent. There are still some CDs produced that contain clip-art, photos and things like that, but even these use directory structures and file types that are alien to SAM. I think CDs - readable by SAM - will come, but not for a while yet. > > Yeah i think i'd like to upgrade my SAM but i have to agree with Dave W, > people > want faster machines,like myself i'm getting a pc at some point,but still > would upgrade espesh if the uprades were the same price as the pc > counterparts > or even only slightly dearer,but take the sam hard-drive you've got to shell > out £60 before you even think about getting the hard-drive. > Yup i'd like add-ons but at a realistic price please and i will buy them. Price is, of course, dependant on demand. The hard drive interface contains very little margin of profit, it is not just a few chips slung together you know - remember the operating software, the back-up and everything else. The new Clock Calendar (with which we have had so much trouble, but it looks like Nev has finally found the problem) is cheap because I believed we could sell quite a few. A new add-on has to be carefully budgeted, and I must admit if I had known what a pain the Clock/Calendar was going to be it would have been twice the price. Still, somehow we have to go forward. Now. Anyone interested in looking for a replacement for the 1772 disc controller? This will be a problem by the 3rd quarter of 1998. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Dec 30 18:28:34 1997 Message-Id: <199712301820.TAA05913@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: Sam2000, anyone? Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 19:18:33 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1346 Lines: 40 > Van: BrenchleyR > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Onderwerp: Re: Sam2000, anyone? > Datum: Tuesday, December 30, 1997 5:32 > It just so happens that I have bee looking at TVs in the last week or so as > one of our portables is now 15 years old and showing signes of its age. > > Sub 200 quid SCART still seems to be very hit and miss, some of the cheapest > have it, some of the more expensive do not. But it is true that every TV has > an UHF input. Same here in Holland, you have to be a bit lucky, Martijn needed a monitor or Scart-tv after his old monitor gave up, he found a SCART TV for just 280 Dutch Guilders that's about 84 pounds and that is even for Dutch standards damn cheap. > I also feel that the sort of person a new SAM should be aimed at would not > look at it if s/he had to upgrade the TV at the same time. So, UHF yes, SCART > yes, and several TVs I've seen has S-VHS input - does anyone know anything > about that? > It would be a strong point for the new Sam, see how prices of PC's drop when you don't include a 15" monitor. Most people go for a complete system, so what would be easier than plug Sam into a TV you already have and you are ready to run? Ja ne -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] - Whats on the telly then? - - Looks like a penguin to me - Monty Python From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Dec 30 19:40:10 1997 Message-Id: <199712301931.TAA23091@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Paul Walker To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 19:31:42 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Sam2000, anyone? In-reply-to: <1cb110be.34a7a312@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id TAA14609 Status: RO Content-Length: 624 Lines: 18 > If, in time, a machine could be developed that was a reasonable > advance on SAM then I do think a market would exist. The price would have to be below > 300ukp (the more below the better) and in the first instance it should be I think you're wrong, I'm afraid. When people see this obscure, 16-bit machine for (say) £299, and a Nintendo-64 for £99, which are they going to go for? Okay, so on the Nintendo you can only play games - but all the average person wants to know about a computer is, "does it run Windows?" Paul -- You are no longer part of "the system". We are above "the system". Over it. Beyond it. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Dec 30 19:40:11 1997 Message-ID: <345E1010.A946EEDC@zetnet.co.uk> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 17:55:28 +0000 From: Paul Walker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: A bit quiet is it?..... X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <971020161104_1077713040@emout18.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 105 Lines: 7 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > Well at least its not windoze 95. Strange, I thought you liked win95...? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Dec 30 19:40:11 1997 Message-ID: <345E1081.C9F6A542@zetnet.co.uk> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 17:57:21 +0000 From: Paul Walker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: A bit quiet is it?..... X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <19971020212659Z49510-22146+816@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 330 Lines: 11 Simon Cooke wrote: > Apart from that though... heck... they're even better than Macs... > (much much better... Macs don't appear to be intuitive at all) Using Executor on here, I keep finding myself trying to do things that it won't let me do - such as open something it doesn't recognise, associate extensions myself... Grr. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Dec 30 19:40:11 1997 Message-Id: <199712301931.TAA23088@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Paul Walker To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 19:31:42 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Sam2000 - OK, but... In-reply-to: <199712291746_MC2-2D7A-34C1@compuserve.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1362 Lines: 38 > real problems. What's the likelihood of reworking (gaaah! more expense!!!) > the existing keyboard and housing that in a little case, so we're using the > same keyboard with (essentially) the same wiring, rather than having to > 'interpret' the PC keyboard. Regarding the mouse, although I have the Sam Hopefully, fairly small. Don't anyone take this the wrong way, but I find PC keyboards are far easier to use/type stuff on than the SAM keyboard. Not only that, but they (and mice) are a lot cheaper for PCs. :) > I'm going to have to agree with Bob regarding Dave Whitmore's frankly > disturbing love of the 'better machines'. I have a PC myself, and I'm Why? There's far more you can do with a PC than with a Sam - and the friendliness is all down to what you use on it, rather than the actual machine. > getting very bored with it. Yes the graphics are better, yes the sound is > better (OK, I admit it, I still haven't bought a Quazar sound card - I I've just got an AWE64 for christmas. Not that it has any relevance, I'm just happy. > year)), but I've really had more than enough Doom clones, and the only > reason I got Quake was the Nine Inch Nails soundtrack! The Playstation is Must be honest, I dislike Quake. Much over-hyped. Paul -- You are no longer part of "the system". We are above "the system". Over it. Beyond it. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Dec 30 21:40:24 1997 Message-Id: <34A9688A.856DCA8@cableol.co.uk> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 21:32:58 +0000 From: SparkY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam2000, anyone? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199712301931.TAA23091@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1175 Lines: 26 Paul Walker wrote: > I think you're wrong, I'm afraid. When people see this obscure, > 16-bit machine for (say) #299, and a Nintendo-64 for #99, which are > they going to go for? > > Okay, so on the Nintendo you can only play games - but all the > average person wants to know about a computer is, "does it run > Windows?" > > Paul He's right - that's why I said in a previous mail that we shouldn't get carried away like we did the last time the SAMSon was mentioned (I had dreams of SAMs being in shops myself...) - we have to aim at existing SAM owners, ex-SAM owners who became disillusioned with the machine, Speccy owners yet to upgrade (there are hundreds or maybe even thousands of them), and other people interested in slightly obscure computers :) Having said that, if the software was available, the SAMSon could achieve some of the success that the PCW did (and still does) - especially if you could e-mail from it...someone get working on an Internet package! Now dammit! Gavin (who has eaten three packets of sugar free Polos today and only just read the side of the packet - "Excessive consumption may produce laxative effects" - that explains it then!) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Dec 30 22:46:28 1997 Message-ID: <34A97574.34A4@ndirect.co.uk> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 22:28:05 +0000 From: nevilley Organization: Th'Attic X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam2000, anyone? References: <36d63b5f.34a92220@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1469 Lines: 36 BrenchleyR wrote: > > > 2) keyboard. Wellllllll, I've seen the keyboard membranes extended, but it is > not the route I would take. What is really needed in an interface to decode a > PC keyboard and output to SAM something that it can read as if it were its own > keyboard. Problems would exist, SAM can read more than one key being pressed > at a time - the PC cannot. Any ideas on how to get round this? > When a key is pressed on a pc keyboard it generates an 8 bit code where the top bit is zero. If you hold that key down and press another the second key generates it's code again the top bit is zero. If you then release a key it generates it's code again but with the top bit set. So in theory a multiple key press should work by reading several keypresses with no intervening key releases. now the problem - some keyboards only allow a two (or three) key rollover so the third (fourth) key pressed doesn't generate it's code until one of the other two are released. hth -- ---------------------------------------------------- | | |This site is developing self awareness | |(Oh no I'm not. cognito ergo P120-S) | |--------------------------------------------------| |Home nevilley @ ndirect.co.uk | |Work gbh3rknr @ ibmmail.com | |http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~nevilley/homepage.htm | ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Dec 30 22:46:30 1997 Message-ID: <34A97694.66CF@ndirect.co.uk> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 22:32:52 +0000 From: nevilley Organization: Th'Attic X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam2000, anyone? References: <199712301931.TAA23091@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id WAA16692 Status: RO Content-Length: 1388 Lines: 33 Paul Walker wrote: > > > If, in time, a machine could be developed that was a reasonable > > advance on SAM then I do think a market would exist. The price would have to be below > > 300ukp (the more below the better) and in the first instance it should be > > I think you're wrong, I'm afraid. When people see this obscure, > 16-bit machine for (say) £299, and a Nintendo-64 for £99, which are > they going to go for? > > Okay, so on the Nintendo you can only play games - but all the > average person wants to know about a computer is, "does it run > Windows?" > Not so I'm glad to say. V-Tech were pushing a red plastic with yellow keys computer during the run up to xmas for ~£200. It was aimed at pre-school / early learning. It's main selling slogan was "My mum can turn our TV into a computer" It didn't have disks or a programming language just rom cartridges. It *should* have been a Sam. -- ---------------------------------------------------- | | |This site is developing self awareness | |(Oh no I'm not. cognito ergo P120-S) | |--------------------------------------------------| |Home nevilley @ ndirect.co.uk | |Work gbh3rknr @ ibmmail.com | |http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~nevilley/homepage.htm | ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Dec 30 22:46:30 1997 Message-ID: <34A97705.6DE9@ndirect.co.uk> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 22:34:45 +0000 From: nevilley Organization: Th'Attic X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: A bit quiet is it?..... References: <971020161104_1077713040@emout18.mail.aol.com> <345E1010.A946EEDC@zetnet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 629 Lines: 18 Paul Walker wrote: > > BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > > Well at least its not windoze 95. > Strange, I thought you liked win95...? No that's me ;-) -- ---------------------------------------------------- | | |This site is developing self awareness | |(Oh no I'm not. cognito ergo P120-S) | |--------------------------------------------------| |Home nevilley @ ndirect.co.uk | |Work gbh3rknr @ ibmmail.com | |http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~nevilley/homepage.htm | ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Dec 31 00:03:34 1997 Message-Id: <199712302353.XAA20900@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Paul Walker To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 23:44:09 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Sam2000, anyone? In-reply-to: <36d63b5f.34a92220@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 473 Lines: 18 > keyboard. Problems would exist, SAM can read more than one key being pressed > at a time - the PC cannot. Any ideas on how to get round this? Not necessary - the PC can can cope with more than one key at a time. :) How else do you think games where you can move diagonally by pressing two keys work? (Unless you mean in a different way, which is I suppose possible.) Paul -- You are no longer part of "the system". We are above "the system". Over it. Beyond it. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Dec 31 00:03:35 1997 Message-Id: <199712302353.XAA20909@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Paul Walker To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 23:53:22 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Sam2000, anyone? In-reply-to: <34A97694.66CF@ndirect.co.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id AAA18079 Status: RO Content-Length: 523 Lines: 19 > Not so I'm glad to say. V-Tech were pushing a red plastic with yellow > keys computer during the run up to xmas for ~£200. It was aimed at > pre-school / early learning. It's main selling slogan was "My mum can We had V-Tech machines in the shop I worked in over Christmas. We sold, as far as I'm aware, the grand total of one - the cheapest model. Not exactly inspiring.. > It *should* have been a Sam. True, I guess. Paul -- You are no longer part of "the system". We are above "the system". Over it. Beyond it. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Dec 31 00:03:37 1997 Message-Id: <199712302353.XAA20891@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Paul Walker To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 23:44:09 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Sam2000, anyone? In-reply-to: <7c21ccaf.34a9221b@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 347 Lines: 13 > like a PC where the inner workings are kept from you behind layers of > operating systems an application software. You can peek and poke, alter things > and experiment, you can have fun with SAM. But you can do exactly the same with, say, a PC... Paul -- You are no longer part of "the system". We are above "the system". Over it. Beyond it. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Dec 31 00:03:37 1997 Message-Id: <199712302353.XAA20914@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Paul Walker To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 23:53:22 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: A bit quiet is it?..... In-reply-to: <34A97705.6DE9@ndirect.co.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 335 Lines: 14 > > > Well at least its not windoze 95. > > Strange, I thought you liked win95...? > No that's me ;-) Ah. Well, I was close. ;) It's not that bad, although it just rebooted on me twice while I was trying to answer one of your messages! Paul -- You are no longer part of "the system". We are above "the system". Over it. Beyond it. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Dec 31 01:05:12 1997 Message-ID: <6hsOjDAYGZq0Ewsv@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 00:28:08 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: Sam2000, anyone? In-Reply-To: <7c21ccaf.34a9221b@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a <8OHKkEUpoELRXgFKFsA4hwDBr8> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1444 Lines: 33 In message <7c21ccaf.34a9221b@aol.com>, BrenchleyR writes >In a message dated 30/12/97 00:55:12, you write: > >> >Define 'better machines' Dave? >> >> Well, I'll field this one. A better machine is just about any modern >> day PC when compared to the SAM. And I'm being objective here. The >> only thing that makes the SAM is the spirit of the people who write for >> it, and even that is waning. It's been waning for years really. :( >> >> Graham > >Have to disagree with you there Graham. What makes SAM such a good machine is >that it is a machine that can be programmed. You can 'know SAM', it is not >like a PC where the inner workings are kept from you behind layers of >operating systems an application software. You can peek and poke, alter things >and experiment, you can have fun with SAM. Okay, I'll admit that the SAM is an easy beast to learn programming on, but without the spirit that surrounds it, it'd have been relegated to doorstop ages ago. Graham -- /====================================================\ +--------------+ | My proverb for this week: | |This Space For| | "The less bits, the less can go wrong... | | Hire - Ideal | | Unless you wobble something important at the back" | |For Weddings &| \==Graham Goring - graham@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk==/ | Bahmitzvas | My Website, coming to a server near you - SOON +--------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Dec 31 01:05:12 1997 Message-ID: <0xCNHEAhJZq0EwNd@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 00:31:29 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: Sam2000, anyone? In-Reply-To: <199712302353.XAA20909@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a <8OHKkEUpoELRXgFKFsA4hwDBr8> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id BAA23611 Status: RO Content-Length: 1018 Lines: 25 In message <199712302353.XAA20909@irwell.zetnet.co.uk>, Paul Walker writes > >> Not so I'm glad to say. V-Tech were pushing a red plastic with yellow >> keys computer during the run up to xmas for ~£200. It was aimed at >> pre-school / early learning. It's main selling slogan was "My mum can > >We had V-Tech machines in the shop I worked in over Christmas. We >sold, as far as I'm aware, the grand total of one - the cheapest >model. Not exactly inspiring.. > >> It *should* have been a Sam. Certainly had a similar sales performance. ;) Graham -- /====================================================\ +--------------+ | My proverb for this week: | |This Space For| | "The less bits, the less can go wrong... | | Hire - Ideal | | Unless you wobble something important at the back" | |For Weddings &| \==Graham Goring - graham@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk==/ | Bahmitzvas | My Website, coming to a server near you - SOON +--------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Dec 31 09:54:07 1997 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 04:31:22 EST From: "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: A bit quiet is it?..... Message-Id: <19971231093135Z49620-22485+630@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 538 Lines: 20 Date: 1997-12-31 09:28 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: "Paul Walker" >To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no >Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 23:53:22 +0000 >Subject: Re: A bit quiet is it?..... > >> > > Well at least its not windoze 95. >> > Strange, I thought you liked win95...? >> No that's me ;-) > >Ah. Well, I was close. ;) It's not that bad, although it just >rebooted on me twice while I was trying to answer one of your >messages] your machine is broken. hth From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Dec 31 18:50:48 1997 From: BillRitman Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 13:32:30 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Sam2000, anyone? Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id SAA04637 Status: RO Content-Length: 725 Lines: 25 In a message dated 30/12/97 19:35:46, you write: > I think you're wrong, I'm afraid. When people see this obscure, > 16-bit machine for (say) £299, and a Nintendo-64 for £99, which are > they going to go for? The computer of course, you can do far more with it - education for a start - that is an route to many a parental pocket. > > Okay, so on the Nintendo you can only play games - but all the > average person wants to know about a computer is, "does it run > Windows?" But more than 50% of computers in use today do not run windows - does that tell you something? > > Paul Nice to come back to the list after a couple of weeks and find people talking again. Bill. [Down at the dead end of the M5] From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Dec 31 18:50:49 1997 From: BillRitman Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 13:39:48 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam2000, anyone? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 689 Lines: 19 In a message dated 30/12/97 23:59:56, you write: > > > like a PC where the inner workings are kept from you behind layers of > > operating systems an application software. You can peek and poke, alter > things > > and experiment, you can have fun with SAM. > > But you can do exactly the same with, say, a PC... > > Paul I've had a PC for two years but I've never even managed to get simple Basic proglets to work. Ok, if you have the money you can get to program in something decent - but with SAM that comes free. Bill. [God may have made heaven on earth and called it Devon - but did he have to stick it so far from London (just spent 3 hours on the train getting home)]