From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 21 12:33:35 1998 From: SparkY To: sam-users Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:09:48 -0000 Message-Id: <01bd2665$78316f60$2e14a8c2@sparky> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 637 Lines: 16 > PPPS: Hell, might as well go public, _I_ gave David a lift to that > Gloucester show. So what are you going to do about it Bob? Eh? Ban me from > the next one? And hey, I talk to Dave every night on IRC, ban me as well! (Even though I'm in Belfast and not likely to get to the show anyway...) I often wonder what the shows must be like - bet you can almost see the tension in the air *grins* ============================================== Email: gavin.smith@cableol.co.uk IRC: Undernet's #TheLocal (SparkY or SparkYY) #TheLocal webpage: http://www.infj.ulst.ac.uk/~ckh225 ICQ: 5099913 ============================================== From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 21 12:33:35 1998 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:17:47 +0000 (GMT) From: Paul Walker X-Sender: csuan@lupin To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Hello? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "X-Archive: no" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 623 Lines: 13 On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, Graham Goring wrote: > >Is it because you are still sending to nvg.unit.no and not ntnu like the > >address is now? Just a thought. > Eep! Mine isn't an offending address, it's other people who seem to have That's because nvg.unit.no is what I still get in the reply-to field, so it's what Pine/elm use for replies (oddly enough). If it's wrong, then let the person who runs the list change it, or post that it's wrong. :) ----- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ----- FidoNet : 2:254/60.11 2:442/103.13 ---> http://www.trak-one.co.uk/foti <--- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 21 13:24:49 1998 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:06:59 +0000 (GMT) From: Diggory Gray X-Sender: graydj@ugs2 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: SAM in shops... In-Reply-To: <00256593.00476FA7.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 715 Lines: 27 On Wed, 21 Jan 1998 Justin_Skists@case.co.uk wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>> Johnna wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > When I went to buy my Sam back in 1990, the female shop assistant who > was showing me about the machine giggled at me when I asked about the > machines prospects. > I now realise that she was Mystic Meg. > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > > > They sold the SAM in shops????? > Yes I bought my SAM in a shop in Bristol.. There was a large list of dealers of SAMs around the country at one time. But I have a Psion 3c now anyway.... > > Justin > Diggory KiteS [Birmingham University Guild of Students Kite Society] From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 21 13:50:26 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <00256593.00476FA7.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:01:58 +0000 Subject: Re: Hello? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 404 Lines: 16 >>>>>>>>>> Johnna wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I went to buy my Sam back in 1990, the female shop assistant who was showing me about the machine giggled at me when I asked about the machines prospects. I now realise that she was Mystic Meg. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< They sold the SAM in shops????? From: allan@lhutz.demon.co.uk (Allan R Clarkson esq.) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Mailer: OASIS Post Box (Atari) v1.31E Subject: Re: Read This And Swear! X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 3447 Lines: 71 In E-Mail Graham Goring wrote:- >A tired programmer replies to Darren Wileman... > >Hello everyone, I think It`s time I let everyone know about Kaboom! The >game has been finished for months now, the only pnding work is the copy >protection. The reason it is taing so long is the incredible amount of >work I have. At work we have had visits every couple of weeks from >companies like Sega, Psygnosis, Electronic Art, Midway, GT Interactive, >Gremlin, Eidos... The list goes on. And every time the game our team is >working on has to have progressed a certain distance. Which means late >nights and even working on weekends (I don`t get paid overtime!). It's not our fault that you work for nothing! >As for threatening posting my address I`ll do it myself.... > >Wayne Coles >16 BlackFriars Court >Newcastle Upon Tyne >NE1 4XB >e-mail me at home with Wayne@wayne4.demon.co.uk, I`ll even provide you >with my phone number if you ask (or phone you up). Those who have >ordered and paid for Kaboom! Let me know and I will send you the >finished version as soon as its finished (no extra charge), and claim >your other piece of software from Darren (I won`t tell him you have it). >And Darren? 400? What are you moaning for, the latest issue of Fred >was about 4 months late so its your own fault for not making a profit. To be honest I'm not 100% happy with the way that Darren has been running Fred but I hardly think we can hold him responsible for the lack of contributions we get nowadays. >Go away, if you couldn`t afford it, you shouldn`t have paid in the first >place. Colin Macdonald provided an excellent service and you`ve damaged >his product. Go on, fuck off.... > Yep I`m angry, not for myself as I`m not entirely blameless. But for >the SAM community who are friendly and the only reason I wrote Kaboom >was I thought they deserved another professional quality game for their >machine which they have spent their time, money and love. If you didn`t >buy Kaboom! but would like it, Let me know and I`ll provide it for about >5, don`t pay now, wait till its finished (which "should" be soon). To be fair, Colin MacDonald took orders and money for Kaboom! long before it was finished, so I hardly think you can defend him against Darren in that respect. Darren's main downfall is that he should have hassled you a bit more and tried to motivate you. As for not being completely blameless, it's largely your fault that Kaboom! didn't get finished, whatever excuses you give. >But let me know, OK. I`m only charging 5 to pay for the disks (it comes >on 2), postage and so I can give the graphic artist, musician and Colin >Macdonald some money. I don`t want anything, I`m being payed enough :-) >Kaboom! was a gift from me to you. Thanks for listening.... How very kind of you. If it's a gift, why not make it Shareware? Look, Wayne, I'm not having a go at you or anything, you know, I just felt that these points needed to be raised. As I said, I'm not 100% happy with Darren but that's no reason to blame him for everything. __ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- allan@lhutz.demon.co.uk - Allan (Via James Curry.) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 21 14:54:29 1998 Message-Id: <199801211430.OAA15322@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:29:44 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Hello? In-reply-to: <00256593.00476FA7.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 105 Lines: 3 > They sold the SAM in shops????? yup - bought mine either in Farnborough or Guildford (i forget which) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 21 15:19:09 1998 From: SparkY To: sam-users Subject: Re: SAM in shops... Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:09:58 -0000 Message-Id: <01bd267e$a3bf4d00$0e14a8c2@sparky> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 721 Lines: 24 -----Original Message----- From: Diggory Gray >> They sold the SAM in shops????? >> >Yes I bought my SAM in a shop in Bristol.. >There was a large list of dealers of SAMs around the country at one time. >But I have a Psion 3c now anyway.... > >> > >> Justin Yeah, IIRC there was a shop in the centre of Belfast that sold SAMs I think - then it became an Amstrad only dealer...wonder what they are doing now :) ============================================== Email: gavin.smith@cableol.co.uk IRC: Undernet's #TheLocal (SparkY or SparkYY) #TheLocal webpage: http://www.infj.ulst.ac.uk/~ckh225 ICQ: 5099913 ============================================== From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 21 15:33:08 1998 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 15:11:36 GMT Message-ID: <961_OASIS_@lhutz.demon.co.uk> From: James@lhutz.demon.co.uk (James R Curry) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Mailer: OASIS Post Box (Atari) v1.31E Subject: Re: SAM in shops... X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 719 Lines: 29 OASIS_E-Mail: Diggory Gray wrote:- >> They sold the SAM in shops????? >> >Yes I bought my SAM in a shop in Bristol.. >There was a large list of dealers of SAMs around the country at one time. >But I have a Psion 3c now anyway.... Yeah, I know a shop that sold Sams and even Sam Software for a while, too. :) Ah, the good old days.... __ James R Curry - James@lhutz.demon.co.uk "You never know when an old calendar might come in handy. Sure, it's not 1985 right now, but who knows what tomorrow will bring?" - Homer Simpson, The Simpsons. The official James R Curry web page - Very soon, I promise. Honest. Ah, come on, you believe me, don't you?! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 21 15:33:09 1998 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 15:13:42 GMT Message-ID: <962_OASIS_@lhutz.demon.co.uk> From: James@lhutz.demon.co.uk (James R Curry) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Mailer: OASIS Post Box (Atari) v1.31E Subject: Re: Format and their selective X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 836 Lines: 26 >HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA >HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA >HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA >HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA > >That's a good one. This guy should go into stand-up comedy. I can't stop >myself from laughing at everything he says. Sorry, Andrew, but I actually laughed more at your post than I did at Bob's.... :-) __ James R Curry - James@lhutz.demon.co.uk "You never know when an old calendar might come in handy. Sure, it's not 1985 right now, but who knows what tomorrow will bring?" - Homer Simpson, The Simpsons. The official James R Curry web page - Very soon, I promise. Honest. Ah, come on, you believe me, don't you?! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 21 16:34:32 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:19:09 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Hello? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 301 Lines: 15 In a message dated 20/01/98 18:34:34, you write: >o > >On Mon, 19 Jan 1998 16:20:18 EST, BrenchleyR said for the second time: >> KILL, KILL, KILL....... > >Why does mail from some people always arrive twice? > >imc I think you will find they were sent in reply to two different postings. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 21 16:34:38 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <750d4ea2.34c62003@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:19:13 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Any one for a party ? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 250 Lines: 14 In a message dated 20/01/98 18:37:01, you write: >. > >and now Bob even makes the same jokes as Dave. > >J'accuse >Dave and Bob are the same person and _that_ is why you never see them >together ;-) You will be hearing from my solicitor. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 21 16:56:37 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <80d38aa2.34c62002@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:19:12 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Hello? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 601 Lines: 22 In a message dated 20/01/98 18:34:48, you write: >> In a message dated 14/01/98 20:53:25, you write: >> >> > >> > Hmm. Maybe that's because there isn't a great deal that can be said >about >> > an obscure, 8-year old, thrice-flopped 8bit computer, other than that we >> > were all conned when we bought it, should have hung on to our Speccies >> > for another year or two, then saved up for PCs. Whoops!!! >> > >> > >> > >> KILL, KILL, KILL....... >> >So good to know that we've still got the capacity for in-depth, >well-argued discussion and exchange of views >:o> ROTFL. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 21 17:07:27 1998 X-Authentication-Warning: holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk: pyumi owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:00:42 +0000 (GMT) From: Mark Sturdy X-Sender: pyumi@holly To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Hello? In-Reply-To: <80d38aa2.34c62002@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 71 Lines: 5 On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, BrenchleyR wrote: > ROTFL. What does this mean? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 21 17:58:22 1998 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:07:33 +0000 (GMT) From: Robert Brady To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Hello? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 197 Lines: 13 On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, Mark Sturdy wrote: > On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, BrenchleyR wrote: > > > ROTFL. > > What does this mean? > > Roll On The Floor Laughing -- Robert Brady, rwb197@ecs.soton.ac.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 21 17:58:22 1998 X-Authentication-Warning: holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk: pyumi owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:08:12 +0000 (GMT) From: Mark Sturdy X-Sender: pyumi@holly To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... In-Reply-To: <40e882be.34c4d390@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 218 Lines: 6 On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, BrenchleyR wrote: > That I took as a personal insult to me and to the rest of the SAM community. Not as much of an insult to anyone who has ever owned a SAM as the 'News' page in Format, though. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 21 17:58:24 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <00256593.005E38E1.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:09:10 +0000 Subject: Re: Hello? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 84 Lines: 8 >>>>>>>>.. > ROTFL. What does this mean? <<<<<<<<<<< Rolls On The Floor Laughing From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 21 17:58:25 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:05:01 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Glass Houses... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 673 Lines: 26 In a message dated 20/01/98 23:39:49, you write: >: > >>IMHO I would say that this is verging on slander unless he has some hard >>evidence that would stand up in court. Yes Dave may have 'had his >>problems' and these have been well documented; but to then tar Persona with >>the same brush in public is, me thinks, a tad dangerous. > >Wouldn't it be *fun* to sue Bob Brenchley! Cough > >Perhaps I could get compensation for the mental torment I am suffering as a Sorry Andrew, but you would have to prove you had a brain to be mentally tormented :) >result of his degrading my memory of the sam-users list as a friendly place >to be. > >Just a thought. > >Andrew From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 21 17:58:26 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <280d335a.34c62ac2@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:05:04 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 418 Lines: 20 In a message dated 21/01/98 11:22:13, you write: >o > >In message , Andrew Collier > writes >>PPPS: Hell, might as well go public, _I_ gave David a lift to that >>Gloucester show. So what are you going to do about it Bob? Eh? Ban me from >>the next one? > >Go on, Bob. Pleeeeze? > >;) > >Graham No, just once in a blue moon Andrew spends money :) -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 21 17:58:27 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:05:00 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Glass Houses... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2397 Lines: 46 In a message dated 20/01/98 22:33:03, you write: > >I have been reading this little discussion a while... > >As I see it: Mr brenchly has been telling third parties that Persona is a >poor company to deal with simply because the proprietor happens to count >Dave Ledbury as one of his friends. > >IMHO I would say that this is verging on slander unless he has some hard >evidence that would stand up in court. Yes Dave may have 'had his >problems' and these have been well documented; but to then tar Persona with >the same brush in public is, me thinks, a tad dangerous. Untrue. I have refused to give Persona and 'free' publicity because of the clear involvement of David Ledbury in the running of the company. > >I personally have in my opinion been told some untruths by a certain >prominent player in the SAM world and this has cost me a potentially >substantial sum in lost revenue. I am saying nothing more due to lack of >corroboration.... > >On another point: I once responded to a request for a SAM hardware design. > I sent off the prototype for evaluation complete with two copies of a >contract to be completed if the design was accepted... and heard nothing >for several months. I then phoned, and was told it was too expensive >("rubbish" in my opinion) and asked for the prototype and contracts to be >returned. This was at least three years ago and I am still waiting. >Maybe I should have sent an SAE ? Again, untrue. You sent a slightly reworked prototype of the digitiser you had been working on for MGT. This was forwarded by me, with your complete agreement (following several phone calls) to Adrian Parker at Blue Alpha Electronics. He produced a list of complaints/ suggestions about the interface which he forwarded directly to you as I had asked him to deal with the project. IIRC, and it is a long time ago, the main complaint was on price (which you may, in your opinion, consider to be rubbish, but at least I saw Adrian's costings). The other complaint was simply that it really did not work anywhere near well enough to be commercially viable - he made a detailed list comparing your prototype to several other interfaces on different machines. Again, IIRC, you phoned me several months latter to say that you were no longer interested in continuing with the project and could I get Adrian to return the board - this, as far as I know, he did. > >Martin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 21 17:58:27 1998 X-Authentication-Warning: holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk: pyumi owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:17:52 +0000 (GMT) From: Mark Sturdy X-Sender: pyumi@holly To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 340 Lines: 20 On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, Andrew Collier wrote: > For the sake > of the Sam market - such as it is nowadays - can people *please* start > working together for a change? [snip] > You are one of the most > narrow-minded, inflexible, self-opinionated morons it has ever been my > misfortune to encounter SRD, Kl'aa-du. Heart beats up love From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 21 17:58:29 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <80d38aa2.34c62002@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:26:22 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Hello? X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id RAA19064 Status: RO Content-Length: 769 Lines: 24 At 5:00 pm +0000 21/1/98, Mark Sturdy wrote: >On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, BrenchleyR wrote: > >> ROTFL. > >What does this mean? Bob was trying to be hip and trendy by using the acronym for "Rolling on the floor laughing". He probably heard that it was hip and trendy from other aol users. Andrew --- +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ | Andrew Collier | LOKTLOKTNVS'n'0TTDS'n'3LOKTLOKTYRUAQT1YRUAT3 | | 1B NatSci at Selwyn | ICUQ4LADB4U2R1ICXp2M£UICXp4XTC | | Contact: asc25@cam.ac.uk | 1-0 1-0B9'n'RTB4IOUATUR32NV0 | | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk | ICAG#2?RSVPASAP'nIC.B2KTICQTRIP | +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 21 17:58:30 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:28:13 +0000 To: "Sam users' mailing list" From: Andrew Collier Subject: Personal email - was Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id RAA19066 Status: RO Content-Length: 4670 Lines: 111 >Envelope-to: asc25@hermes.cam.ac.uk >From: BrenchleyR >Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:19:20 EST >To: asc25@cam.ac.uk (Andrew Collier) >Subject: Personal email - was Re: Format and their selective publicity >policy... >Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) > >In a message dated 20/01/98 18:37:14, you write: > >I thought it best to reply to this one direct, hope you don't mind. >> >[snip] >> >>So basically it's personal then. > >Yes, it is personal, he has cost me a lot of time and money since SAMCO went >down. He has also lied to me and made more than one attempt to trick me. >> >>This "appalling record in his business activities" probably means some >>delayed software and late magazines. Hmmm, this doesn't sound familiar >>honest. > >We have been a few WEEKS late with the last few issues, mainly do to the >health problems of one of my closest friends. On the other hand David Ledbury >was rarely less than months behind - if things ever appeared at all. >> >>Speaking as someone who has heard David's side of at least one story, I > >I wonder what story, I doubt that he will own up to the one I have my main >bone of contention about. > >>think you'd both be better off putting your past behind you. For the sake >>of the Sam market - such as it is nowadays - can people *please* start >>working together for a change? At this rate, the Sam will be remembered as >>a little computer who's nasty, vengeful owners spent so much time bickering > >You seem to have spent more of your time bickering than any other single SAM >owner in the world. > >>that nothing ever got done to save it. I don't think that's true - we all >>know each other well enough that most people on this list can be friends. > >> >>Bob: Can't you get it into your head that nobody has a complaint against >>the service Persona offers? > >I have NEVER said anyone did - have I? > >>If you feel it necessary to make "sure they >>understand a little about David Ledbury's past", do you also feel it >>necessary to point out that HE DOESN'T RUN PERSONA? He doesn't deal with >>orders. He can't delay the sending out of released software. He edits the >>disk magazine. Your refusal to print details of Persona on the grounds of >>David's "involvement with the company" is juvenile, bigoted, personal, >>irrelavent to the commercial matter in hand, and above all completely >>unnecessary. > >Let us get one thing straight - the SAM world is better of without David >Ledbury - it is as simple as that. It is clear to anyone with even one eye and >a brain cell to go with it that David Ledbury is ACTIVELY involved in the >running of Persona - he mans the stand at every show I've seen Persona attend, >he handles every single email message that has ever been sent out under >Persona's name - for Christ's sake how much more involved can he be? > >> That mailing says more about your character than anything else >>you've written on this list for a very long time. You are one of the most >>narrow-minded, inflexible, self-opinionated morons it has ever been my >>misfortune to encounter, > >Pot, kettle, black. > >>and more than anything else it has been your >>attitude which has gradually eroded my faith in the Sam over the last >>eighteen months you have been subscribed to this list. >> >>I hope I make myself clear. > >Crystal. And I hope I have made myself clear. >> >>Andrew >> >>PS. I wonder how David managed to get to Gloucester that year? Surely >>no-one in their right mind would have given David a lift, knowing that the >>wrath of Bob would be on them should he ever find out. > >If only I knew :) > > >Now it so happens, and both Colin McD and Nev will confirm that I discused >this with them BEFORE this stupid set of postings started, a decision had been >made to offer Malcome a stand at the April show - but on the clear >understanding the David Ledbury will not be allowed access to the hall under >any circumstances. I feel that Malcome has done quite well in things so far. >However, this is not to be confused with publicity in FORMAT, while David >Ledbury continues to have any involvement WHATSOEVER in Persona I am not >prepared to give any free publicity. > >-- >Bob. > --- +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ | Andrew Collier | LOKTLOKTNVS'n'0TTDS'n'3LOKTLOKTYRUAQT1YRUAT3 | | 1B NatSci at Selwyn | ICUQ4LADB4U2R1ICXp2M£UICXp4XTC | | Contact: asc25@cam.ac.uk | 1-0 1-0B9'n'RTB4IOUATUR32NV0 | | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk | ICAG#2?RSVPASAP'nIC.B2KTICQTRIP | +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 21 17:58:30 1998 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:29:22 EST From: "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Any one for a party ? Message-Id: <19980121172942Z49599-29158+1902@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 568 Lines: 21 Date: 1998-01-21 17:26 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: BrenchleyR > Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:19:13 EST > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Subject: Re: Any one for a party ? > In a message dated 20/01/98 18:37:01, you write: > >and now Bob even makes the same jokes as Dave. > >J'accuse > >Dave and Bob are the same person and _that_ is why you never see them > >together ;-) > You will be hearing from my solicitor. > Bob. You will be hearing from the genito-urinary clinic. Nev. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 21 17:58:31 1998 From: The Mad Goose Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:57:11 GMT+0 Subject: samdac X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <1B59577F33@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 327 Lines: 10 anybody got a samdac lying around that they don't want? then again, maybe i should just play mods on the pc instead - considering that they don't take up nearly 100% processor time there... ;) Peace, Love, Kisses... Johnna Pig Teare JPOL: http://www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna "I just want my future to live up to my past..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 21 17:58:32 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:28:50 +0000 To: "Sam users' mailing list" From: Andrew Collier Subject: Personal email - was Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id RAA19075 Status: RO Content-Length: 514 Lines: 12 Oops sorry, pressed the wrong button --- +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ | Andrew Collier | LOKTLOKTNVS'n'0TTDS'n'3LOKTLOKTYRUAQT1YRUAT3 | | 1B NatSci at Selwyn | ICUQ4LADB4U2R1ICXp2M£UICXp4XTC | | Contact: asc25@cam.ac.uk | 1-0 1-0B9'n'RTB4IOUATUR32NV0 | | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk | ICAG#2?RSVPASAP'nIC.B2KTICQTRIP | +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 21 17:58:33 1998 From: The Mad Goose Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:47:05 GMT+0 Subject: Re: What's going on? X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <1C20BA69FD@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 954 Lines: 28 > Thanks for using NetForward! > http://www.netforward.com > v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v > > Now I quite definitely sent those two messages exactly once each. And this > one once too (just in case). You had two addresses (the ntnu one and the unit one) in your 'to;' box... > > Andrew > > > --- > > +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ > | Andrew Collier | LOKTLOKTNVS'n'0TTDS'n'3LOKTLOKTYRUAQT1YRUAT3 | > | 1B NatSci at Selwyn | ICUQ4LADB4U2R1ICXp2MstlgUICXp4XTC | > | Contact: asc25@cam.ac.uk | 1-0 1-0B9'n'RTB4IOUATUR32NV0 | > | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk | ICAG#2?RSVPASAP'nIC.B2KTICQTRIP | > +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ > > Peace, Love, Kisses... Johnna Pig Teare JPOL: http://www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna "I just want my future to live up to my past..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 21 17:58:34 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <00256593.005F7ECA.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:35:03 +0000 Subject: Re: SAM with Quazar Surround Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1050 Lines: 25 >>>>>>> Stefan wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A VERY simple solution is to simply connect the Quazar output to the audio out of the SAM (the "lightpen" socket). The audio out isn't buffered (or whatever you want to call it) so any signals put onto it are spread all over the system. Resulting in the Quazar sound coming out through your telly as well. You'd want to add a throughport or something so that you could also hook all your SAM sound (including soundchip) to a pair of speakers. <<< Obviously, our Lotus Notes Upgrade still is no good with replies <<<< Cheers, Stefan. The whole reason for this little "project-ette" is to keep the sound away from my telly. Well, away from whatever produces the white- noise whenever certain colours (maybe contrasts) are displayed on the screen. Colin recommended getting a mixer with a good filtering system to eliminate the noise from the machine. And I've STILL got to buy a decent pair of speakers. This project of mine is getting more expensive by the second.... :( Justin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 21 17:58:35 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <72fe35a.34c62ac1@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:05:03 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1770 Lines: 63 In a message dated 21/01/98 10:50:53, you write: >At 4:40 pm +0000 20/1/98, BrenchleyR wrote: > >>I have since made it quite clear that I will accept adverts from Persona at >>standard rates, rates which anyone can request at any time. > >Bowing under significant pressure from this list, of course. Not true, the offer of advertising was always open to Melcome right from the very first time he informed me that he had taken on David Ledbury's business. > >> >>Nobody has the right to publicity you know. >> > >They have the right to not be blatantly lied about. No, that is why I do not lie about things :) > >>> and that apologies should be made for the past comments about David >>> (similarly previous owner) and Malcolm. >> >>Why, I own neither an apology. > >HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA [cut - some good two finger typing exercise] >That's a good one. This guy should go into stand-up comedy. I can't stop >myself from laughing at everything he says. > >>I hope this lays this matter to rest again (for at least a few months). > >Why do you persist in your stupid belief that people will unquestioningly >accept a single word you say? Why do you think that they would accept what you say? > >You're not God. You're only Bob, which is about as far wide of the mark as >I can imagine. But at least I'm not Andrew Collier, for that at least I can be grateful. > >Andrew > >PS: Well at least the postings should stay interesting for the next few >days.... End of story from my side. > >PPS: I *like* flames!. Holiday in hell? > >PPPS: Hell, might as well go public, _I_ gave David a lift to that >Gloucester show. So what are you going to do about it Bob? Eh? Ban me from >the next one? No, just David. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 21 17:58:35 1998 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:49:05 EST From: "YOUNG, Neville / IT Life" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Glass Houses... Message-Id: <19980121174938Z49620-29158+1911@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 580 Lines: 22 Date: 1998-01-21 17:46 Priority: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The ether was turned a murky brown by BrenchleyR on Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:05:00 EST when you posted to: sam-users@nvg.unit.no about Re: Glass Houses... > clear involvement of David Ledbury in the running of the company. AFAIK Dave doesn't run Personna. Dave isn't involved in the running of Personna. Dave is a friend of the person who does run Personna. What does Dave have to do for you to drop this vendetta, open his wrists? hth Nev. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 21 18:16:05 1998 From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:04:57 GMT Message-ID: <34c83465.24136175@mail.enterprise.net> References: <40e882be.34c4d390@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <40e882be.34c4d390@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 613 Lines: 18 On Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:40:46 EST, you wrote: Bob, >That I took as a personal insult to me and to the rest of the SAM community. Since when have you taken it on yourself to take insults on behalf of the rest of us? That was a particularly disgusting character assasination that you attempted to pull off there. You haven't done yourself any favours at all. The guy that you are forever whining about is infinately more popular than you are on this list. A lot worse things have happened in the SAM world than Pheonix, and I think that your personal attacks are completely unjustified. Bye, Dave Whitmore From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 21 18:16:05 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <280d335a.34c62ac2@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:07:12 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id SAA19559 Status: RO Content-Length: 765 Lines: 20 At 5:05 pm +0000 21/1/98, BrenchleyR wrote: >No, just once in a blue moon Andrew spends money :) Yeah, like every time anybody releases something. Well almost. Certainly I've bought all of Revelation's *Sam* games for the past five years or so (ie excluding Elite, obviously) Andrew --- +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ | Andrew Collier | LOKTLOKTNVS'n'0TTDS'n'3LOKTLOKTYRUAQT1YRUAT3 | | 1B NatSci at Selwyn | ICUQ4LADB4U2R1ICXp2M£UICXp4XTC | | Contact: asc25@cam.ac.uk | 1-0 1-0B9'n'RTB4IOUATUR32NV0 | | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk | ICAG#2?RSVPASAP'nIC.B2KTICQTRIP | +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+dre From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 21 18:16:06 1998 X-Authentication-Warning: holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk: pyumi owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:09:12 +0000 (GMT) From: Mark Sturdy X-Sender: pyumi@holly To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... In-Reply-To: <72fe35a.34c62ac1@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 262 Lines: 16 On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, BrenchleyR wrote: > >You're not God. You're only Bob, which is about as far wide of the mark as > >I can imagine. > > But at least I'm not Andrew Collier, for that at least I can be grateful. ROTFL SRD, Kl'aa-du. Heart beats up love From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 21 18:53:56 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: <9689339d.34c640c7@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:39:01 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Hello? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 354 Lines: 13 In a message dated 15/01/98 22:53:18, you write: >> >>Why? Maybe it's just because your SAM's NOT VERY GOOD. > > >Hmm. Are you just trying to annoy us or are you attempting humour? No >offence, but if you hate the SAM that much, the rest of us happen to quite >like it and posting such stuff to us isn't advised :) can I add a ME TOO to that. Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 21 18:53:58 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:39:00 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Fred Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 882 Lines: 24 In a message dated 15/01/98 22:53:15, you write: >>How much is a sub to Fred these days? >> >>I may well think of a sub to Format one of these days... as the last >>time I actually read it was then I wrote for it! That's quite some time >>ago! >> >>David > >Speaking of Fred, I finally received issue 81 today, and it's actually a lot >better than people have been saying. There was still no f**king mention of >where my copy of Colony is (and I've just given up on Kaboom). There's even >a .wav player on the disk (!!!), but apparently it might need the Samdac, >which I haven't got, having chosen the Quazar Surround route. Anyone any >info? My issue arrive a few weeks ago but I have not had time to go through it all yet. Must say the sence of humour does not get any better (grin). btw, I thought Colin was still responsible for Kaboom as it goes back to his days. Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 21 19:04:05 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: <21b2f9e.34c640c5@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:38:57 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Something SAM Related.... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 463 Lines: 18 In a message dated 15/01/98 21:26:57, you write: >o > >Which is a change :) > >Is anyone actually going to use the IRC channel #sam-users on Dalnet >or are the odd couple of people interested in this going to stick to >Gavin's channel #thelocal on undernet. > >We can't all access two different servers at once you know...! What can IRC do for us that this list does not do - except run up even bigger phone bills? Just a thought, no need for flames. Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 21 19:04:05 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:38:59 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Hello? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 406 Lines: 15 In a message dated 15/01/98 21:27:01, you write: > >> Oooh controversial, controversial. Erm, why bother being on this list then? > >Shit, hadn't thought of that. Er, because I can't be arsed/can't afford >buying a decent computer that can do decent w/p and run quality games and >get on mailing lists like this. Ah. > > > But you gotta SAM, that does the first 2 :) 2 out of 3 can't be bad. Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 21 19:04:06 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: <4533581d.34c640c3@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:38:54 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Hello? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 554 Lines: 21 In a message dated 14/01/98 20:53:25, you write: >On Wed, 14 Jan 1998, Simon Cooke wrote: > >> Is the list still alive? It all of a sudden went... >> >> >> D E A D . . . > >Hmm. Maybe that's because there isn't a great deal that can be said about >an obscure, 8-year old, thrice-flopped 8bit computer, other than that we >were all conned when we bought it, should have hung on to our Speccies >for another year or two, then saved up for PCs. Whoops!!! > > > > That is not a very nice thing to say about the machine we all love now is it? Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 21 19:04:06 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: <88b3851f.34c640c1@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:38:55 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Hello? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1020 Lines: 29 In a message dated 14/01/98 23:26:44, you write: > >>On Wed, 14 Jan 1998, Simon Cooke wrote: >> >>> Is the list still alive? It all of a sudden went... >>> >>> >>> D E A D . . . >> >>Hmm. Maybe that's because there isn't a great deal that can be said about >>an obscure, 8-year old, thrice-flopped 8bit computer, other than that we >>were all conned when we bought it, should have hung on to our Speccies >>for another year or two, then saved up for PCs. Whoops!!! > >Oooh controversial, controversial. Erm, why bother being on this list then? >Some people actually like the computer (like me) and would enjoy using it >even if no-one else in the world had one :P (Although I have to admit, that >my love for the Speccy is growing again :) > > So is mine, I think it was using Z80 on my PC late last year that convinced me it was worth getting the Speccy down from the loft again. But I would rather have my Sam anyday. Bill. (who has just seen how many messages he has to go and Ive only been away a few days.) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 21 19:04:06 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:39:02 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Hello? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 518 Lines: 16 In a message dated 15/01/98 22:59:46, you write: >On Thu, 15 Jan 1998, SparkY wrote: > >> >Why? Maybe it's just because your SAM's NOT VERY GOOD. >> >> Hmm. Are you just trying to annoy us or are you attempting humour? No >> offence, but if you hate the SAM that much, the rest of us happen to quite >> like it and posting such stuff to us isn't advised :) > >Sorry, I'm just in an odd mood. Maybe I've been hit by the TRUTH. No, >only joshing. Or am I? I would advise seeking urgent metal treatment :) Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 21 19:04:06 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:39:02 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: BOAI: taunting Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 186 Lines: 12 In a message dated 17/01/98 02:05:29, you write: >On Sat, 17 Jan 1998 00:58:10 +0000, Graham Goring said: >> Okay, when do I sleep? > >Are you asleep yet? > >imc Well I am :) Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 21 19:28:46 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: <2a49ec9f.34c640c9@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:39:03 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: BOAI: taunting Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 334 Lines: 18 In a message dated 17/01/98 02:16:09, you write: >o > >In message <199801170201.CAA00711@chalca.comlab.ox.ac.uk>, Ian Collier > writes >>On Sat, 17 Jan 1998 00:58:10 +0000, Graham Goring said: >>> Okay, when do I sleep? >> >>Are you asleep yet? > >Nope. :) > >Graham Can't you just pretend? Please. Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 21 19:28:47 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: <1ea6311e.34c640c2@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:38:56 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Hello? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 130 Lines: 12 In a message dated 14/01/98 23:33:04, you write: >o > >>Hi sweetie, > > >Hi honey! Somebody pass the sick bucket quick! Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 21 19:28:49 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: <543d471f.34c640c4@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:38:58 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Fred Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 374 Lines: 16 In a message dated 15/01/98 21:26:58, you write: >o > >How much is a sub to Fred these days? > >I may well think of a sub to Format one of these days... as the last >time I actually read it was then I wrote for it! That's quite some time >ago! > >David Wrote for it? When was that? I've got most of my copies in binders so if you cas say when I can go look it up. Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 21 19:28:49 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: <8e8d2c1e.34c640cc@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:39:06 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Two of things? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 269 Lines: 9 Is there something going wrong? I keep getting two copies of some massages (not all from the same people). Also there are a number of time when the reply appears before the original message get here. And don't blame AOL, the other mailing list I sub to is ok. Bill From imc Wed Jan 21 19:50:46 1998 Subject: Re: Personal email - was Re: Format and their selective publicity To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:50:46 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: from "Andrew Collier" at Jan 21, 98 05:28:50 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 287 Lines: 10 On Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:28:50 +0000, Andrew Collier said: > Oops sorry, pressed the wrong button Yeah, we believe you... > +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ > I see you still like putting control characters at the bottom of your sig. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 21 19:57:50 1998 From: SparkY To: sam-users Subject: Re: Glass Houses... Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:50:46 -0000 Message-Id: <01bd26a5$de026480$0814a8c2@sparky> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 788 Lines: 24 -----Original Message----- From: YOUNG, Neville / IT Life >Dave doesn't run Personna. >Dave isn't involved in the running of Personna. >Dave is a friend of the person who does run Personna. >What does Dave have to do for you to drop this vendetta, open his wrists? > >hth > >Nev. Nice try Nev, but as usual he seems to be in his own world, thinking we are all in agreement with him. All this is only doing the SAM damage. (If only more of Format's readers were on this mailing list...it would certainly open their eyes!) ============================================== Email: gavin.smith@cableol.co.uk IRC: Undernet's #TheLocal (SparkY or SparkYY) #TheLocal webpage: http://www.infj.ulst.ac.uk/~ckh225 ICQ: 5099913 ============================================== From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 21 20:16:19 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199801211950.TAA21127@chalca.comlab.ox.ac.uk> References: from "Andrew Collier" at Jan 21, 98 05:28:50 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 20:05:36 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Personal email - was Re: Format and their selective publicity X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id UAA21810 Status: RO Content-Length: 820 Lines: 22 At 7:50 pm +0000 21/1/98, Ian Collier wrote: >I see you still like putting control characters at the bottom of your sig. What confuses me is that they're different on every message. They're not in the .sig file itself - so I dodn't know where they're coming from. I'll try adding a carriage return or two, see if that makes a difference. --- +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ | Andrew Collier | LOKTLOKTNVS'n'0TTDS'n'3LOKTLOKTYRUAQT1YRUAT3 | | 1B NatSci at Selwyn | ICUQ4LADB4U2R1ICXp2M£UICXp4XTC | | Contact: asc25@cam.ac.uk | 1-0 1-0B9'n'RTB4IOUATUR32NV0 | | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk | ICAG#2?RSVPASAP'nIC.B2KTICQTRIP | +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 21 22:25:20 1998 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: sskardon@argonet.co.uk (Stewart Skardon) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 22:17:09 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: I'm sure I'll regret posting this, but... Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1694 Lines: 42 Hello everyone, Right, I've just about had it. It appears to me that the SAM world now seems to revolve around lies, deceit and ripping each other off, and is no longer the friendly scene that it used to be. FRED has gone down the pan, FORMAT/WestCoast/Revelation/god-knows-what-else are just plain biased, and the rest never really got off the ground. Bob - Why don't you give all this David Ledbury shit a rest? So what if he is linked with Persona, he's not running the company. Besides doesn't this mean you shouldn't have been supporting SAMCO, seeing as David worked for them? Doesn't that make him 'involved' in their business. Oh, and by the way, I won't be renewing my subscription to FORMAT or attending anymore Gloucester Show's. Why should I line your pocket? If you won't help others in their business, why should I help yours. Darren - If you are reading this, my offer still stands. Send me a 3.8GB hard disc, and I will forget about Kaboom!. Well you did offer another item, but you didn't state wether it had to be the same price. As for your comments about this list not exisitng if it wasn't for FRED and FORMAT, where did you dream up that load of bollocks? Right, you can both be as nasty about me as you want, which I'm sure you will be. I couldn't care less. I just think that it's very sad that things have got this bad. A not very happy Stewart. -- _ (_'tewart email : sskardon@argonet.co.uk ,_)kardon http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/stewart/ Crashed Magazine - The SAM Coupe and ZX Spectrum Magazine. Crashed WWW Site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon Crashed Email - crashed@argonet.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 21 22:45:16 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <72fe35a.34c62ac1@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:32:55 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id WAA24036 Status: RO Content-Length: 679 Lines: 20 At 5:05 pm +0000 21/1/98, BrenchleyR wrote: >No, that is why I do not lie about things :) I'm glad you put the smiley in, otherwise somebody somewhere might have taken that comment seriously. Andrew --- +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ | Andrew Collier | LOKTLOKTNVS'n'0TTDS'n'3LOKTLOKTYRUAQT1YRUAT3 | | 1B NatSci at Selwyn | ICUQ4LADB4U2R1ICXp2M£UICXp4XTC | | Contact: asc25@cam.ac.uk | 1-0 1-0B9'n'RTB4IOUATUR32NV0 | | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk | ICAG#2?RSVPASAP'nIC.B2KTICQTRIP | +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 21 22:45:22 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <72fe35a.34c62ac1@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:37:18 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id WAA24042 Status: RO Content-Length: 1142 Lines: 33 At 5:05 pm +0000 21/1/98, BrenchleyR wrote: >>Why do you persist in your stupid belief that people will unquestioningly >>accept a single word you say? > >Why do you think that they would accept what you say? I'm prepared to back up my statements with FACT. >I make no bones about my dislike of David Ledbury. There are things that he >has done for which I am not yet ready to forgive let alone forget - and NO, I >will not be drawn into giving details: he knows, I know, that is all that >matters. Yes, that's a neat way to make sure we don't point out exactly why you're wrong. Oh, and ESI's addresses are in just about every demo they've written. Andrew --- +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ | Andrew Collier | LOKTLOKTNVS'n'0TTDS'n'3LOKTLOKTYRUAQT1YRUAT3 | | 1B NatSci at Selwyn | ICUQ4LADB4U2R1ICXp2M£UICXp4XTC | | Contact: asc25@cam.ac.uk | 1-0 1-0B9'n'RTB4IOUATUR32NV0 | | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk | ICAG#2?RSVPASAP'nIC.B2KTICQTRIP | +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+  From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 21 23:59:40 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: <46f02a5c.34c681c2@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:16:16 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Hello? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 459 Lines: 23 In a message dated 21/01/98 18:17:48, you write: >o > >At 5:00 pm +0000 21/1/98, Mark Sturdy wrote: >>On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, BrenchleyR wrote: >> >>> ROTFL. >> >>What does this mean? > >Bob was trying to be hip and trendy by using the acronym for "Rolling on >the floor laughing". > >He probably heard that it was hip and trendy from other aol users. > >Andrew You got something against AOL users? Sad how some people minds work at such a low level. Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 21 23:59:41 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:16:05 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Format and their selective pub Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 874 Lines: 27 In a message dated 19/01/98 16:06:35, you write: >o > >> >If you have a problem with something/someone, you call them >> >> You mean like you when you bothered to call either Colin or Allan when >> Fred was so late... or like how you've bothered to call Wayne to >> sort out Kaboom? > >[snip] > >i'm almost glad i've given up on the sam scene... i don't have to put >with this sorta crap. i never bought fred, and i bought few games (i >think only one thing by mail and that was the splendid Midi Sequencer >v3) ... but it looks to me like i therefore avoided a lot of >unnecessary hassle. If you have given up on the Sam scene then what are you doing here? > >ok, so i ended up with a sam with little or no software, which i then >gave up using for exactly that reason, but my life is more calm and >stressfree. know what i mean? No. Please explain. Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 21 23:59:41 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: <4366a95c.34c681be@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:16:11 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Hello? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 632 Lines: 20 In a message dated 21/01/98 12:34:23, you write: >Happy New Year to y'arl... > >> >>Hmm. Maybe that's because there isn't a great deal that can be said >about >> >>an obscure, 8-year old, thrice-flopped 8bit computer, other than that we >> >>were all conned when we bought it, should have hung on to our Speccies >> >>for another year or two, then saved up for PCs. Whoops!!! >> > >> >When I went to buy my Sam back in 1990, the female shop assistant who >was showing me about the machine giggled at me when I asked about the >machines prospects. > >I now realise that she was Mystic Meg. Septic Pegg more like it :) Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 21 23:59:41 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: <66410fdc.34c681c4@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:16:18 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Personal email - was Re: Format and their selective publicitypolicy... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 215 Lines: 8 If this was personal email, why the hell did you forward it to the list? Have you no manners Mr Collier? I think you have just lost any of my sympathy that may have remained for your side of the argument. Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 21 23:59:42 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: <4b33ed8c.34c681b3@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:16:01 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 436 Lines: 18 In a message dated 18/01/98 14:56:19, you write: >. [big snip] > >Remember. If it wasn't for Format or FRED, this list probably wouldn't >exist. Can't agree with that, but it is true that without Bob and Colin the SAM would not exist today as a computer still being made (ok, in small numbers, but it is still true you have to admit). Why do some of the people on this list just go out of their way to cause trouble? Bill. Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 21 23:59:42 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: <6df4f9dc.34c681b5@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:16:03 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 454 Lines: 22 In a message dated 18/01/98 18:25:44, you write: >On Sun, 18 Jan 1998 09:49:00 -0500, you wrote: > > >Darren, > >Fair enough for your defensive reply to Gavin - which has nothing to >do with me, but.. > > >>Remember. If it wasn't for Format or FRED, this list probably wouldn't >>exist. > >Bollocks! :) > >How do you work that out? Could it be that they were the only two professionally run companies around at the time? (sorry, forgot SD). Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 21 23:59:42 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: <14dc830d.34c681b8@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:16:05 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Fred 81 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 111 Lines: 12 In a message dated 19/01/98 17:29:28, you write: >o > >> Ja ne > > >who's Jane? Tarzan's wife maybe? Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 21 23:59:42 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:16:07 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Any one for a party ? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 695 Lines: 22 In a message dated 20/01/98 18:34:27, you write: >o > >On Mon, 19 Jan 1998 23:50:53 +0100, Robert van der Veeke said: >> > Van: David-Editor of Blitz Fanzine! >> > Datum: Tuesday, January 20, 1998 6:45 > >> Mmmmh why do I get this one before the original mail, oh no wonder, it is >> being posted un tuesday the 20th while at my place it is still the 19th. Or >> is my mailserver screwing up again? > >No, it's another person using Netscape Mail who hasn't set the right >timezone. Seems to happen a lot nowadays. Hint David: put >SET TZ=GMT0BST in your autoexec.bat. Could you explain what this means? It does not seem to work in my Autoexec file. > >imc Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 21 23:59:42 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: <280e1b5c.34c681ba@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:16:08 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Any one for a party ? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 287 Lines: 14 In a message dated 20/01/98 18:36:29, you write: >< > >Nor does mine. >The only annoying habit it has got is an irritating >buzzzzz from the transformer unit. (which is fixed by >giving it a kick!) > >Justin. Turn it upside-down, it works for mine, not a buzz out of it since. Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 21 23:59:42 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: <7ec6675d.34c681c1@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:16:15 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Hello? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 315 Lines: 19 In a message dated 21/01/98 18:17:31, you write: >On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, Mark Sturdy wrote: > >> On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, BrenchleyR wrote: >> >> > ROTFL. >> >> What does this mean? >> >> >Roll On The Floor Laughing > >-- >Robert Brady, rwb197@ecs.soton.ac.uk I think it is ROLLING, but the idea is right. Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 21 23:59:42 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: <3a0aa15b.34c681c7@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:16:21 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Stop, stop, PLEASE STOP. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2205 Lines: 44 You know, I've replied to more emails tonight than ever before, I didn't know I had it in me. But, speaking for myself, I would rather not have to do it again. I'm a fan of the Sam, I think it is the most usable computer ever. I'm a fan of Format, it is a magazine that has done more for the Spectrum and Sam than all the others combined. I'm a fan of FRED, as a company they have produced some of the best software for Sam and over the longest period. If, as some claim, it is having trouble at the moment THEN HELP don't hinder. Some of the hate that has been spouted in the last few days is sickening. I'm a fan of Bob. I've always been amazed at his ability to answer technical questions on the spot and off the top of his head. He has done more to keep Sam alive than any ten others on this mailing list. At yet here he is constantly abused. Typical British behaviour. I'm a fan of this mailing list because it allows for interesting debate. The last few days have not been interesting, they have been maddening. I am NOT a fan of the people (in particular Mr Collier and Mr Smith) who, both now and in the past seem to take such great delight and go to such great lengths to bait Bob. Both behave in a way that should not be tolerated in this list or any other. To have opinions is one thing, to disagree is another - but to go on in they way that they do just shows them to be childish bullies. It is time that this stopped. Bob has the right to dislike David Ledbury is he wants, as far as I can tell from these postings and from the archives his only beef about Persona is that he "sees" David Ledbury as being involved (which I think many of David's postings would lay credence to). That is between David Ledbury and Bob - it is none of our business. What right do childish bullies have to lay down the law on what Format Publications can or cannot do in business? Now you are welcome to debate this matter with me if you like, but NOT through an open forum like the Sam mailing list. It is time that a few people here grew up and started acting like adults. Thank you for allowing me to have my say. Now let us please ignore any other post that is not of a constructive nature. Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 21 23:59:43 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: <40eb835c.34c681b9@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:16:07 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1044 Lines: 24 In a message dated 20/01/98 01:09:36, you write: >. [big snip to save people reading it again - see, I'm learning :)] > >Not that I want to stir things up, but just an observation.... If I >remember rightly, this thread started with an interesting comparison >between Fred (who's software has been delayed through no fault of the >owner, and has received full support from Format magazine) and Persona (who >AFAIK are up to date with orders, and yet have received bad press and abuse >from Format because another company [Phoenix] had software delayed through >no fault of the owner). I have yet to hear a satisfactory explanation for >this attitude, whether or not you still think it. Just for arguments sake, could it be that FRED at least advertise while Persona do not (ok, once, AFAIK)? You try getting publicity in magazines if you are not prepared to advertise, I know, my brother runs his own business and can't even get a mention in his own local paper without the advertising department having their share. > [little snip] Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 21 23:59:43 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:16:14 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 333 Lines: 16 In a message dated 21/01/98 18:17:31, you write: > >On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, BrenchleyR wrote: > >> That I took as a personal insult to me and to the rest of the SAM >community. > >Not as much of an insult to anyone who has ever owned a SAM as the 'News' >page in Format, though. > > What? Bill. (who must be missing somthing here). From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 21 23:59:45 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: <60438f5c.34c681c5@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:16:10 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2561 Lines: 51 In a message dated 20/01/98 18:37:07, you write: >-----Original Message----- >From: BrenchleyR > > > >You fool. You stupid fool, just what have you done. Don't you know you are >unpopular enough as it is? Who with? Some here maybe, but not with many others I would think. > Don't you realise that whatever problems Dave had >in the past with Phoenix, these have all been 100% cleared up, and he has >gone to great lengths to ensure everyone got what was owed to them. I have >yet to hear a >SINGLE complaint or bad comment about Persona. Everyone from all sections of >the SAM community, (even Darren!) have said how much they admire and >appreciate Persona. You seem to think you can walk over people Bob, well you >bloody well can't and I'm sick of your 'holier than thou' attitude to some >people. Persona are a highly reputable company, who have shown great >commitment to the SAM. You on the other hand, seem to be the one with the >poor reputation - I have yet to order a single thing from you that you >managed to deliver within two or months. And as for the SAM_Clock - as I >said before to Darren, I appreciate that products get delayed, but when I >decide to query where my money has been for OVER A YEAR, I would like a >reply! I've asked continually where the thing is, all you could have done >was explain the problems to me, and I would have been happy - but did you >bother? (And we both know why you didn't bother). Again - I want my money >back, and if I don't get it back my next option is the small claims court. I was under the impression that Bob was having serious problems with the Clock system and he has kept everyone informed as to what is happening. Have you not had either of the letter he sent out last year? One warned that the early cheques were about to go over the date limit so he offered to either bank them or return them if requested. The second I can't find tonight but I got it around October and it said that the light was at the end of the tunnel. > >>I hope this lays this matter to rest again (for at least a few months). >>-- >>Bob. > >If this wasn't such a stupid statement, it would almost be funny - you know >fine well there is going to be a flood of mails on this subject now - >haven't you learnt your lesson? Haven't you? I again ask the question of why a select few seem to have the knives out for one of the people we have to thank for the fact that the Sam is still alive. Some people seem to bite the hand that feeds them. Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 21 23:59:46 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: <8e8d695b.34c681c4@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:16:17 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Glass Houses... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 787 Lines: 35 In a message dated 21/01/98 18:17:49, you write: > >In a message dated 20/01/98 23:39:49, you write: > >>: >> >>>IMHO I would say that this is verging on slander unless he has some hard >>>evidence that would stand up in court. Yes Dave may have 'had his >>>problems' and these have been well documented; but to then tar Persona with >>>the same brush in public is, me thinks, a tad dangerous. >> >>Wouldn't it be *fun* to sue Bob Brenchley! > >Cough >> >>Perhaps I could get compensation for the mental torment I am suffering as a > > >Sorry Andrew, but you would have to prove you had a brain to be mentally >tormented :) > >>result of his degrading my memory of the sam-users list as a friendly place >>to be. >> >>Just a thought. > >> >>Andrew > > Seconds out - round 3. Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 21 23:59:47 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: <419fe5d.34c681bf@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:16:12 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 754 Lines: 21 In a message dated 21/01/98 12:34:24, you write: >> PPPS: Hell, might as well go public, _I_ gave David a lift to that >> Gloucester show. So what are you going to do about it Bob? Eh? Ban me from >> the next one? > > >And hey, I talk to Dave every night on IRC, ban me as well! (Even though I'm >in Belfast and not likely to get to the show anyway...) I often wonder what >the shows must be like - bet you can almost see the tension in >the air *grins* > > Speaking for myself, I find the show to be real nice. Jenny is always good to talk to. Carol usually manages to sort out lots of problems for people, and Bob can even find time to talk to a lowly Sam user like me. Okay, I've only managed to get to two, but they were both bloody good. Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 21 23:59:48 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:16:02 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 412 Lines: 18 In a message dated 18/01/98 16:19:00, you write: > >>We owe anyone nothing. All our records are up to date. It's a real shame > >You owe me a copy of Kabooomm. > >I doubt I'm alone. > >Andrew When I spoke to Colin at the Gloucester show last April he told me that the sales he had made would be honoured by him as soon as the programmer finished it. I do hope this helps to clear things up for you. Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 21 23:59:48 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: <5ff1a4d2.34c681bf@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:16:13 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Hello? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 288 Lines: 10 In a message dated 21/01/98 14:59:24, you write: >> They sold the SAM in shops????? > >yup - bought mine either in Farnborough or Guildford (i forget which) Got mine in Plymouth I think (long time ago). Then I got a nice new Sam Elite from Format just before Christmas - magic. Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 22 00:17:43 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <66410fdc.34c681c4@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 00:13:04 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Personal email - was Re: Format and their selective publicitypolicy... X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id AAA01351 Status: RO Content-Length: 732 Lines: 23 At 11:16 pm +0000 21/1/98, BillRitman wrote: >If this was personal email, why the hell did you forward it to the list? I repeat my earlier comment: >Oops sorry, pressed the wrong button And I have never knowingly lied to any sam user either. Andrew --- +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ | Andrew Collier | LOKTLOKTNVS'n'0TTDS'n'3LOKTLOKTYRUAQT1YRUAT3 | | 1B NatSci at Selwyn | ICUQ4LADB4U2R1ICXp2M£UICXp4XTC | | Contact: asc25@cam.ac.uk | 1-0 1-0B9'n'RTB4IOUATUR32NV0 | | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk | ICAG#2?RSVPASAP'nIC.B2KTICQTRIP | +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+  From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 22 00:17:43 1998 X-Authentication-Warning: holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk: pyumi owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 00:15:25 +0000 (GMT) From: Mark Sturdy X-Sender: pyumi@holly To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1548 Lines: 35 On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, BillRitman wrote: > >Not as much of an insult to anyone who has ever owned a SAM as the 'News' > >page in Format, though. > > What? What I mean is that, as the editor of Crashed, I go to great lengths putting together the news section of my magazine. I phone people up, I write to people, I email people, just to find out what's happening. Now, I don't run Crashed fulltime, I don't make a profit out of it, and it currently doesn't have a readership that is one tenth of Format's. Yet I think that going to lengths trying to provide comprehensive, acccurate news coverage of the Spectrum and SAM in my magazine is worthwhile. And that's why I think Format's news section is an absolute bloody insult to everyone who reads it. Bob runs Format fulltime; he makes a profit out of it; his magazine reaches 1400 people, by far the widest audience for ANY SAM publication. Yet what do we see on the news page, month after month? PC news. Alan Sugar's business manoevurings. Interminable stuff about Escom. Information, in short, that means nothing to the majority of the people who read it, many of whom rely on Format as their only source of information about what's going on on the SAM and Speccy scenes. And this in a magazine that claims to be "The home of Z80 computing". Now if that's not an insult to Supplement, Persona, Alchemist, and all the many, many others who put their heart and soul into producing stuff for the SAM and Spectrum, then I don't know what is. SRD, Kl'aa-du. Heart beats up love From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 22 00:42:16 1998 From: SparkY To: sam-users Subject: Re: Any one for a party ? Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 00:36:37 -0000 Message-Id: <01bd26cd$cc658b80$3114a8c2@sparky> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 731 Lines: 24 -----Original Message----- From: BillRitman >>Nor does mine. >>The only annoying habit it has got is an irritating >>buzzzzz from the transformer unit. (which is fixed by >>giving it a kick!) >> >>Justin. > >Turn it upside-down, it works for mine, not a buzz out of it since. > >Bill. Really? Doesn't work for one of my buzzing power packs. Anyone else have better luck than me? Or is it just Bob and Bill (I seem to remember Bob posting a similar mail last year...) ============================================== Email: gavin.smith@cableol.co.uk IRC: Undernet's #TheLocal (SparkY or SparkYY) #TheLocal webpage: http://www.infj.ulst.ac.uk/~ckh225 ICQ: 5099913 ============================================== From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 22 00:54:41 1998 From: SparkY To: sam-users Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 00:51:53 -0000 Message-Id: <01bd26cf$ee355400$3114a8c2@sparky> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1620 Lines: 36 -----Original Message----- From: BillRitman >I was under the impression that Bob was having serious problems with the Clock >system and he has kept everyone informed as to what is happening. Have you not >had either of the letter he sent out last year? One warned that the early >cheques were about to go over the date limit so he offered to either bank them >or return them if requested. The second I can't find tonight but I got it >around October and it said that the light was at the end of the tunnel. No, I didn't receive either of these letters. Did anyone else receive any? Strange then that you, sorry, Bob couldn't have answered any of my e-mails on the subject nor any of the posts to this newsgroup about refunds. >>If this wasn't such a stupid statement, it would almost be funny - you know >>fine well there is going to be a flood of mails on this subject now - >>haven't you learnt your lesson? > >Haven't you? I again ask the question of why a select few seem to have the >knives out for one of the people we have to thank for the fact that the Sam is >still alive. Some people seem to bite the hand that feeds them. A select few? I'm sorry, but who is on Bob's side in this arguement except himself and his alias? The only person with the knife out is Bob - we are only trying to prevent Persona's good name from being tarnished further. ============================================== Email: gavin.smith@cableol.co.uk IRC: Undernet's #TheLocal (SparkY or SparkYY) #TheLocal webpage: http://www.infj.ulst.ac.uk/~ckh225 ICQ: 5099913 ============================================== From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 22 01:29:32 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1C20BA69FD@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 01:18:28 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: What's going on? X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id BAA02159 Status: RO Content-Length: 985 Lines: 28 At 12:47 pm +0000 21/1/98, The Mad Goose wrote: >> Now I quite definitely sent those two messages exactly once each. And this >> one once too (just in case). > >You had two addresses (the ntnu one and the unit one) in your 'to;' >box... Seems the messages I replied to had different addressess in the From: field and the Reply-to: field. One was unit, the other was ntnu. Eudora decided to reply to them both.... silly thing... And its Forward option is right next to the Reply one aswell ;) Andrew --- +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ | Andrew Collier | LOKTLOKTNVS'n'0TTDS'n'3LOKTLOKTYRUAQT1YRUAT3 | | 1B NatSci at Selwyn | ICUQ4LADB4U2R1ICXp2M£UICXp4XTC | | Contact: asc25@cam.ac.uk | 1-0 1-0B9'n'RTB4IOUATUR32NV0 | | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk | ICAG#2?RSVPASAP'nIC.B2KTICQTRIP | +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+  From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 22 01:32:12 1998 From: SparkY To: sam-users Subject: Re: Stop, stop, PLEASE STOP. Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 01:31:44 -0000 Message-Id: <01bd26d5$7f54df00$3114a8c2@sparky> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2412 Lines: 63 -----Original Message----- From: BillRitman >I'm a fan of Format, it is a magazine that has done more for the Spectrum and >Sam than all the others combined. That is possibly the funniest thing I've read on this list today! If anything, Format has damaged the SAM and Spectrum! >I'm a fan of FRED, as a company they have produced some of the best software >for Sam and over the longest period. If, as some claim, it is having trouble >at the moment THEN HELP don't hinder. In what way?! I wrote him letters asking what had happened to my software, he never replied, what do you want me to do?! Write the software he owed me? (At the time he owed me Kaboom, Colony and X-Shites 3. Since then, I have received Colony - pity it took a mail to this list to do it). >I am NOT a fan of the people (in particular Mr Collier and Mr Smith) who, both >now and in the past seem to take such great delight and go to such great >lengths to bait Bob. Both behave in a way that should not be tolerated in this >list or any other. To have opinions is one thing, to disagree is another - but >to go on in they way that they do just shows them to be childish bullies. And what about anyone else on the mailing list that has agreed with us? Are they all chidish bullies too? For being concerned for a) what happened to money that was owed to them, b) trying to defend the name of Persona, a company that is working very hard for SAM. And that makes us childish bullies? >It is time that this stopped. Bob has the right to dislike David Ledbury is he >wants, as far as I can tell from these postings and from the archives his only >beef about Persona is that he "sees" David Ledbury as being involved (which I >think many of David's postings would lay credence to). That is between David >Ledbury and Bob - it is none of our business. Bob certainly has the right to "dislike" David (although I'd call it personal hatred). He hasn't the right to go ruining the name of another company though. >Now you are welcome to debate this matter with me if you like, but NOT through >an open forum like the Sam mailing list. I'll debate it wherever the hell I like Bob. ============================================== Email: gavin.smith@cableol.co.uk IRC: Undernet's #TheLocal (SparkY or SparkYY) #TheLocal webpage: http://www.infj.ulst.ac.uk/~ckh225 ICQ: 5099913 ============================================== From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 22 03:21:54 1998 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 02:29:57 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: Personal email - was Re: Format and their selective publicitypolicy... In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a <8OHKkEUpoELRXgFKFsA4hwDBr8> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 858 Lines: 23 In message , Andrew Collier writes >At 11:16 pm +0000 21/1/98, BillRitman wrote: >>If this was personal email, why the hell did you forward it to the list? > >I repeat my earlier comment: > >>Oops sorry, pressed the wrong button > >And I have never knowingly lied to any sam user either. I have. LOADS of times. And I'm damn proud of it, too! :) Graham -- /====================================================\ +--------------+ | My proverb for this week: | |This Space For| | "The less bits, the less can go wrong... | | Hire - Ideal | | Unless you wobble something important at the back" | |For Weddings &| \==Graham Goring - graham@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk==/ | Bahmitzvas | My Website, coming to a server near you - SOON +--------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 22 05:48:52 1998 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 00:42:42 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801220542.AAA13537@smtp3.erols.com> X-Mailer: HandStamp Pro 1.0 Subject: Re:Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Simon Cooke To: BillRitman@aol.com, sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 417 Lines: 10 >Can't agree with that, but it is true that without Bob and Colin the SAM would >not exist today as a computer still being made (ok, in small numbers, but it >is still true you have to admit). Perhaps "assembled" rather than "made" would be a little more accurate... ,Simon --- Simon Cooke - sc@netfusion.co.uk Product Development Specialist / Webmaster netFUSION is now live on the web - http://www.netfusion.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 22 05:49:00 1998 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 00:42:20 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801220542.AAA18518@smtp2.erols.com> X-Mailer: HandStamp Pro 1.0 Subject: Re:Stop, stop, PLEASE STOP. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Simon Cooke To: BillRitman@aol.com, sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 482 Lines: 24 top of his head. He has done more to keep >Sam alive than any ten others on this mailing list. Here's 11.- feel free to drop me from the list. Andrew Collier Ian Collier Allan Skillman Stefan Drissen Nev Young Dave Whitmore Dan Doore Simon Cooke David Ledbury Martin & Maria Rookyard. Anyone want a breakdown of collective work? Simon --- Simon Cooke - sc@netfusion.co.uk Product Development Specialist / Webmaster netFUSION is now live on the web - http://www.netfusion.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 22 05:49:01 1998 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 00:42:30 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801220542.AAA18544@smtp2.erols.com> X-Mailer: HandStamp Pro 1.0 Subject: Re:Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Simon Cooke To: BillRitman@aol.com, sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1320 Lines: 19 >>>Remember. If it wasn't for Format or FRED, this list probably wouldn't >>>exist. >>How do you work that out? >Could it be that they were the only two professionally run companies around at >the time? (sorry, forgot SD). Alright... Raise yer hand if you were one of the people who voted for the creation of comp.sys.sinclair. Now raise it again if you visited Maciej Wolosyk's FTP site... and again if you were there when it moved to NVG... and again if you were involved in the creation of this mailing list, and were on it from day 1... I guesstimate that about 3-5 ppl on this list can claim that, and I'm one of them. Ian is another... and Dan was in there nearish the start... Maybe Allan Skillman too? So... how did FRED and Format make this possible? I mean, other than by being bolstered in its early years by mine, Dan's, Frode's, David Gommeren's and Ian Slavin 's (wherever you are now) contributions, Fred has nothing tp do with this list's creation, much less FORMAT. And you'd be hard pressed to find anyone on here who bought their-SAM later than 1992 - aka when SAMCO/SAMTECH died. If you want to lay blame for it, try MGT or Sinclair Research... Simon --- Simon Cooke - sc@netfusion.co.uk Product Development Specialist / Webmaster netFUSION is now live on the web - http://www.netfusion.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 22 05:49:02 1998 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 00:42:38 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801220542.AAA28210@smtp1.erols.com> X-Mailer: HandStamp Pro 1.0 Subject: Re:Re: Hello? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Simon Cooke To: BillRitman@aol.com, sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 629 Lines: 11 >You got something against AOL users? Most long term internet users have some form of dislike for, specifically, *America* Online users. Since then its been passed on as a race memory type thing...// >Sad how some people minds work at such a low level. Which is the reason why the dislike is there; originally (unfairly, perhaps; the documentation provided was useless) one of the identifying characteristics of an AOL user was a distinct lack(or low level) of brain activity... simon --- Simon Cooke - sc@netfusion.co.uk Product Development Specialist / Webmaster netFUSION is now live on the web - http://www.netfusion.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 22 10:06:49 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <00256594.0032EBDA.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:54:55 +0000 Subject: And so it happens again... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1478 Lines: 35 Just when you think the trouble is at rest, something happens to create waves in the water... Chaos reigns again. I'm not usually one to enter the spirit of things and throwing myself into the middle of a war (Yeah, right!) I don't really care what Mr. Brenchly, Mr Ritman (strange how he appears just as the list attacks Bob, that's twice now - Most likely coincidence) or Samsboss about certain people on this list. David Ledbury, Gavin Smith and Persona in general have pointed me in the right directions numerous times and I got a very good and friendly service from the company to which I will vouch and recommend to anyone. I like that in a company. And I only deal with companies that I feel happy and comfortable with. If they treat me like an order-form, I will (nearly) always take my custom to somewhere else. (Sh*t! That reminds me!! I still need to send a cheque to Malcom for another six issues of Blitz! I take it that it's still 2quid and issue?) But, Bob & Bill are entitled to their own views. Anyway. Can we please lay everything to rest? We already know who feels what and no matter what anyone says, we are never going to get an explanation as to why people feel the way they do. Nor, is anyone going to make anyone else here change their views. We, in the SAM community, are too bloody stubborn! Thank you for your attention. (Well, it depends if this mail has been cancelled out by people using procmail and co. or not.) Justin Skists (of Xenoa) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 22 11:27:51 1998 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:15:43 +0000 (GMT) From: Paul Walker X-Sender: csuan@lupin To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Hello? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "X-Archive: no" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 372 Lines: 10 On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, Andrew Collier wrote: > Bob was trying to be hip and trendy by using the acronym for "Rolling on > the floor laughing". You've never used that yourself? That surprises me. ----- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ----- FidoNet : 2:254/60.11 2:442/103.13 ---> http://www.trak-one.co.uk/foti <--- From imc Thu Jan 22 12:24:59 1998 Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:24:59 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <419fe5d.34c681bf@aol.com> from "BillRitman" at Jan 21, 98 06:16:12 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 380 Lines: 10 On Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:16:12 EST, BillRitman said: > Speaking for myself, I find the show to be real nice. > Okay, I've only managed to get to two, but they were both bloody good. The last one was rather lacklustre, and part of the reason for this is that Persona wasn't there. (Derek Morgan didn't show up either, and Stefan missed out, but at least they were invited). imc From imc Thu Jan 22 12:43:35 1998 Subject: Re: Any one for a party ? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:43:35 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: from "BillRitman" at Jan 21, 98 06:16:07 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 609 Lines: 16 On Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:16:07 EST, BillRitman said: > In a message dated 20/01/98 18:34:27, you write: > >No, it's another person using Netscape Mail who hasn't set the right > >timezone. Seems to happen a lot nowadays. Hint David: put > >SET TZ=GMT0BST in your autoexec.bat. > Could you explain what this means? It does not seem to work in my Autoexec > file. Um... Are you using Netscape mail? Doesn't look like it. Is your timezone incorrect? No, since you did indeed write it at 18:16 EST, which is 23:16 GMT. Is your name David? Not as far as I know. imc From imc Thu Jan 22 12:47:19 1998 Subject: Re: Stop, stop, PLEASE STOP. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:47:19 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <3a0aa15b.34c681c7@aol.com> from "BillRitman" at Jan 21, 98 06:16:21 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 793 Lines: 20 On Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:16:21 EST, BillRitman said: > You know, I've replied to more emails tonight than ever before, I didn't know > I had it in me. But, speaking for myself, I would rather not have to do it > again. You didn't have to do it that time either. Did you have a lot of time on your hands? :-) > I am NOT a fan of the people (in particular Mr Collier and Mr Smith) who, both ^^^^^^^^^^ Oi, steady on... > It is time that this stopped. Bob has the right to dislike David Ledbury > ... That is between David > Ledbury and Bob - it is none of our business. It is our business if this gives Persona bad PR or banishes them from the show where we would like to see their stand. imc From imc Thu Jan 22 12:49:55 1998 Subject: Re: What's going on? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:49:55 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: from "Andrew Collier" at Jan 22, 98 01:18:28 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 610 Lines: 16 On Thu, 22 Jan 1998 01:18:28 +0000, Andrew Collier said: > Seems the messages I replied to had different addressess in the From: field > and the Reply-to: field. One was unit, the other was ntnu. Eudora decided > to reply to them both.... silly thing... If that's true then it is very bad behaviour. But I doubt it as the From: line of every message on this list contains the personal address of the writer, and if Eudora did that then they and only they would get two copies. > +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ > It's a different character this time... imc From imc Thu Jan 22 12:51:56 1998 Subject: Re: Stop, stop, PLEASE STOP. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:51:56 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <199801220542.AAA18518@smtp2.erols.com> from "Simon Cooke" at Jan 22, 98 00:42:20 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 433 Lines: 19 On Thu, 22 Jan 1998 00:42:20 -0500 (EST), Simon Cooke said: > Here's 11.- feel free to drop me from the list. > > Andrew Collier > Ian Collier > Allan Skillman > Stefan Drissen > Nev Young > Dave Whitmore > Dan Doore > Simon Cooke > David Ledbury > Martin & Maria Rookyard. Simon, you have a lot more right to be on that list than I have. Most of the things I have written for the Sam haven't ventured beyond my disk box... imc From imc Thu Jan 22 13:26:14 1998 Subject: Re: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:26:14 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <199801220542.AAA18544@smtp2.erols.com> from "Simon Cooke" at Jan 22, 98 00:42:30 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1438 Lines: 29 On Thu, 22 Jan 1998 00:42:30 -0500 (EST), Simon Cooke said: > Alright... Raise yer hand if you were one of the people who voted for > the creation of comp.sys.sinclair. Now raise it again if you visited Maciej > Wolosyk's FTP site... and again if you were there when it moved to NVG... > and again if you were involved in the creation of this mailing list, and > were on it from day 1... > I guesstimate that about 3-5 ppl on this list can claim that, and I'm > one of them. Ian is another... and Dan was in there nearish the start... > Maybe Allan Skillman too? Nope, I don't think I belong on this list either. :-) It appears that I joined sam-users at the beginning of February 1994 (and that was before the Reply-To: header got put in), but I don't recall how it all started. Similarly, I would probably have subscribed to css as soon as it was created (which also appears to have been at the beginning of 1994), but I didn't know of SINCNEWS's existence and there is probably no way I would have known about the vote for css's creation. And I didn't have much use for the ftp site until xzx was created. (February 1994 again? I don't believe it. I thought css was around long before xzx). > And you'd be hard pressed >to find anyone on here who bought their-SAM later than 1992 - aka when >SAMCO/SAMTECH died. I got mine in Feb^H^H^HNovember 1994 from Jean Tonks. imc From imc Thu Jan 22 13:30:34 1998 Subject: Re: Re: Hello? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:30:34 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <199801220542.AAA28210@smtp1.erols.com> from "Simon Cooke" at Jan 22, 98 00:42:38 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 389 Lines: 10 On Thu, 22 Jan 1998 00:42:38 -0500 (EST), Simon Cooke said: [BTW, your line breaker is broken] > Most long term internet users have some form of dislike for, specifically, >*America* Online users. Since then its been passed on as a race memory type >thing...// The year that AOL came into existence is sometimes called "The Year that September never ended". I remember it well... imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 22 15:27:55 1998 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:39:40 +0000 (GMT) From: Paul Walker X-Sender: csuan@lupin To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Hello? In-Reply-To: <46f02a5c.34c681c2@aol.com> Message-ID: "X-Archive: no" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 317 Lines: 9 On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, BillRitman wrote: > You got something against AOL users? I have the feeling you really shouldn't have asked that. :) ----- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ----- FidoNet : 2:254/60.11 2:442/103.13 ---> http://www.trak-one.co.uk/foti <--- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 22 15:28:02 1998 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:47:36 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9801221147.AA14058@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: And so it happens again... X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 222 Lines: 7 > Anyway. Can we please lay everything to rest? If 'we' lay everything to rest, what would there be to fill this list with? The syclic arguments on this list is aparently the only thing keeping the SAM alive. ;) -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 22 15:28:02 1998 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:48:54 +0000 (GMT) From: Paul Walker X-Sender: csuan@lupin To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re:Stop, stop, PLEASE STOP. In-Reply-To: <199801220542.AAA18518@smtp2.erols.com> Message-ID: "X-Archive: no" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 306 Lines: 11 On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, Simon Cooke wrote: > Dave Whitmore > Anyone want a breakdown of collective work? Much as I like Dave...! ----- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ----- FidoNet : 2:254/60.11 2:442/103.13 ---> http://www.trak-one.co.uk/foti <--- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 22 15:28:03 1998 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:52:14 +0000 (GMT) From: Paul Walker X-Sender: csuan@lupin To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re:Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... In-Reply-To: <199801220542.AAA18544@smtp2.erols.com> Message-ID: "X-Archive: no" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 911 Lines: 19 On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, Simon Cooke wrote: > So... how did FRED and Format make this possible? I mean, other than by >being bolstered in its early years by mine, Dan's, Frode's, David >Gommeren's and Ian Slavin 's (wherever you are now) contributions, Fred I remember those (got since issue 28 onwards). No offence to people, but the quality of FRED has been going slowly down for a while - let's face it, when a program like Meteor Attack makes the 'E' slot...! It's a shame. >has nothing tp do with this list's creation, much less FORMAT. And you'd >be hard pressed to find anyone on here who bought their-SAM later than >1992 - aka when SAMCO/SAMTECH died. Erk. I've just realised I can't remember when I actually bought mine... ----- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ----- FidoNet : 2:254/60.11 2:442/103.13 ---> http://www.trak-one.co.uk/foti <--- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 22 15:28:04 1998 Message-Id: <199801221211.MAA12799@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:11:40 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Format and their selective pub In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1980 Lines: 58 > >i'm almost glad i've given up on the sam scene... i don't have to put > >with this sorta crap. i never bought fred, and i bought few games (i > >think only one thing by mail and that was the splendid Midi Sequencer > >v3) ... but it looks to me like i therefore avoided a lot of > >unnecessary hassle. > > If you have given up on the Sam scene then what are you doing here? it's simple. originally, y'see, back when i *hadn't* given up on the sam scene, i joined the list to find out stuff and generally converse, much as anyone else who joined the list at around that time would have done. since then, having given up on the sam scene, i REMAINED on the list because of the general atmosphere of the place. it was almost a good mailing list, you know? more a sort of 'couple of blokes' list than a sam list, at the best of times. which was fine by me. just because i've given up on the sam scene does NOT mean i should automatically give up my right to generally discuss the machine/prospects/amsterdam/etc i think i'm perfectly within my right to stay on this list duh > > > >ok, so i ended up with a sam with little or no software, which i then > >gave up using for exactly that reason, but my life is more calm and > >stressfree. know what i mean? > > No. Please explain. > ok.. very simple. since i am no longer directly (or - hey - for that matter, indirectly) involved with the Sam machine anymore, a lot of the discussion on this list bears little or no relevance to what is currently going on in my life. for example, when people moan on about Sam Clock being late by years and how much it cost them and why haven't they got it yet?, i can metaphorically sit back, put on my glum face and thing gee, i'm glad i'm not them. as in, i'm glad i don't have to put up with this sort of crap for myself. as in, it would stress me out hence, my life is more calm and stressfree i thought it was sorta obvious what i meant but hey. dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 22 15:28:05 1998 Message-Id: <199801221213.MAA13006@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:12:48 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... In-reply-to: References: <280d335a.34c62ac2@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 269 Lines: 8 > Certainly I've bought all of Revelation's *Sam* games for the past five > years or so (ie excluding Elite, obviously) was wop gamma any good? i wanted to buy it but it was around this time in my life i was considering a change of direction (ie from sam, to pcs) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 22 15:28:06 1998 X-Authentication-Warning: lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk: pyumi owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:15:12 +0000 (GMT) From: Mark Sturdy X-Sender: pyumi@lily To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Stop, stop, PLEASE STOP. In-Reply-To: <01bd26d5$7f54df00$3114a8c2@sparky> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 346 Lines: 17 On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, SparkY wrote: > I'll debate it wherever the hell I like Bob. Gavin, Although I agree completely with everything you're saying here, I don't think you're doing your argument any favours by implying that Bill Ritman is one of Bob's aliases just because he happens to agree with him. SRD, Kl'aa-du. Heart beats up love From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 22 15:28:07 1998 Message-Id: <199801221218.MAA14102@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:17:39 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: samdac In-reply-to: <1B59577F33@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 309 Lines: 9 > then again, maybe i should just play mods on the pc instead - > considering that they don't take up nearly 100% processor time > there... ;) may i recommend the latest version of impulse tracker? it now comes with MMX drivers (K6 too, o'course) that handle software resonant-filters. mmmm, yummy. dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 22 15:28:08 1998 Message-Id: <199801221220.MAA14570@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:19:59 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Two of things? In-reply-to: <8e8d2c1e.34c640cc@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 137 Lines: 7 > I keep getting two copies of some massages (not all from the same people). i wish i got as many as one massage these days... ; dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 22 15:28:16 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980122094714.006c8d28@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:47:14 -0800 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Hello? In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 376 Lines: 14 At 11:15 AM 1/22/98 +0000, you wrote: >Status: > >On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, Andrew Collier wrote: > >> Bob was trying to be hip and trendy by using the acronym for "Rolling on >> the floor laughing". > >You've never used that yourself? That surprises me. Call me an old fuddy-duddy, but I always preferred *rotlfs*... *grins* seems more like a real word... dunno why... Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 22 15:28:17 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980122094939.006cbcd8@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:49:39 -0800 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re:Stop, stop, PLEASE STOP. In-Reply-To: References: <199801220542.AAA18518@smtp2.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 250 Lines: 14 At 11:48 AM 1/22/98 +0000, you wrote: >Status: > >On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, Simon Cooke wrote: > >> Dave Whitmore >> Anyone want a breakdown of collective work? > >Much as I like Dave...! SAM Adventure club, Dalmation BBS :) To name but two... Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 22 15:28:18 1998 Message-ID: <19980122150543.3846.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [138.251.137.74] From: Colin Piggot To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re:Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 07:05:32 PST X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1159 Lines: 27 Simon Cooke said: > Alright... Raise yer hand if you were one of the people who voted > for the creation of comp.sys.sinclair. Now raise it again if you > visited Maciej Wolosyk's FTP site... and again if you were there > when it moved to NVG... and again if you were involved in the > creation of this mailing list, and were on it from day 1... > I guesstimate that about 3-5 ppl on this list can claim that, and > I'm one of them. I was there from day 1 too.... Colin P. __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ /_ / / /_/ / / //_ /_//_//_ / /_ : Fast Mode 4 __/ / / / / / /_/__// / //_ / /_ : 3d Vector Action! +------------------------+-------------------------------+ | COLIN PIGGOT | __ ___ __ | | c_piggot@hotmail.com | /| | | | | / | | |\ | | | / | | | |__| / |__| |_\ | | QUAZAR: Hardware and | /_\| |__| | | /__ | | | \ | | Software for the Sam | | +------------------------+-------------------------------+ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 22 15:28:18 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980122095119.0068a4c8@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:51:19 -0800 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re:Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... In-Reply-To: References: <199801220542.AAA18544@smtp2.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 969 Lines: 25 At 11:52 AM 1/22/98 +0000, you wrote: >Status: > >On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, Simon Cooke wrote: > >> So... how did FRED and Format make this possible? I mean, other than by >>being bolstered in its early years by mine, Dan's, Frode's, David >>Gommeren's and Ian Slavin 's (wherever you are now) contributions, Fred > >I remember those (got since issue 28 onwards). No offence to people, but >the quality of FRED has been going slowly down for a while - let's face it, >when a program like Meteor Attack makes the 'E' slot...! It's a shame. *grins* You should see issues 3,7,8,12,14,18... (I *think*) >>has nothing tp do with this list's creation, much less FORMAT. And you'd >>be hard pressed to find anyone on here who bought their-SAM later than >>1992 - aka when SAMCO/SAMTECH died. > >Erk. I've just realised I can't remember when I actually bought mine... Well, you're one (possibly), and Allan Skillman is another taker... any other contenders out there? Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 22 15:28:19 1998 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:18:36 +0100 (MET) From: Allan Skillman X-Sender: allan@hpopl1.cern.ch To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re:Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980122095119.0068a4c8@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 919 Lines: 20 Hi all, > Well, you're one (possibly), and Allan Skillman is another taker... any > other contenders out there? Yep, I bought my Sam in spring of 1994. I think I was one of the first to get one of the new type floppy drives. Allan +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Now available! SimCoupe, the one and only SAM Coupe emulator | | ******* http://www.hep.ucl.ac.uk/~ajs/simcoupe ******* | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ | Allan Skillman | "There are five flavours of resons, the | | HEPP Group | elementary particles of magic : up, down, | | University College London | sideways, sex-appeal and peppermint." | | Email : ajs@hep.ucl.ac.uk | - Terry Pratchett (Lords and Ladies) | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 22 15:43:58 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199801221213.MAA13006@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> References: <280d335a.34c62ac2@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:32:32 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Wop Gamma X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id PAA18059 Status: RO Content-Length: 3654 Lines: 70 At 12:12 pm +0000 22/1/98, Dave Hooper wrote: >was wop gamma any good? i wanted to buy it but it was around this >time in my life i was considering a change of direction (ie from sam, >to pcs) >From my "Second Opinion"[1] column in Zodiac double issue 16/17: Wop Gamma, Revelation (Phil Symons / Andrew Fish) Although not really a conversion, this game has its roots firmly planted in the old Repton / Boulderdash / Rockfall (On Syncytium - but I can hardly review that, can I?) style. On a par with Splat in terms of not actually being a platform game, this sees you negotiating 100 scrolling levels - but at least in this one you tell the scrolling where to go (which, in one sense of the phrase, I usually do with Splat also). Gravity plays a starring role in this sort of game - although you can move freely wherever you like, other objects like rocks and diamonds (or at least, their 23rd century equivalents) fall downwards if there's nothing to support them. Collecting the last radium pod usually involves pushing one rock out of the way, collecting the pod and scarpering before you get vrushed by something else landing on top of you. You also get nasty things like mutants (which move predictably but are very fast, and deadly to touch) and other surprises creeping up on you later on. There are passwords every five levels, so you don't have to trudge through the easy levels every time you want to play the hard ones. First the good points. The graphics, which change from level to level, are very, very good. The music is also superb, both in the quantity and the quality of the tunes. The scrolling is fast and flicker-free, and the game plays at the speed of a runaway cheetah. Unfortunately this comes at a price; namely that the rocks fall rather strangely, and obey rather fewer of Newton's Laws than most ordinary rock could get away with. However, much the bigger problem is that the control keys (or ther joystick) are not very responsive at all. In fact, the puzzles in this game, and the way rocks fall down on you straight away without leaving any sort of a gap, rather demands accurate control but sadly this game doesn't provide it. Trying to shift quickly from one direction to another is a prime example: it just cannot be done without holding down the pause key and playing the game one frame at a time. Whenever this is important (and such situations are quite common, given that the traps in some of the levels require the intellect of a genius and the reactions of a terminal vaffene addict to beat) (Did i tell you i'm up to level 95?) the game, regrettably, falls. Not flat on its face, because there are lots of neat features to keep you interested. Just very close, that's all. Overall 7/10: Excellent but for the controls Andrew [1] Second Opinion was a column in which, each month, I reveiwed evrey known Sam game from a paticular genre; eg the first column had shoot 'em ups, and in this issue I was stretching the words "platform game" to their very limits. The column seemed very popular overall, and I know of at least two people who read it and bought some old games on my recommendation. Overall, one of my better ideas. --- +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ | Andrew Collier | LOKTLOKTNVS'n'0TTDS'n'3LOKTLOKTYRUAQT1YRUAT3 | | 1B NatSci at Selwyn | ICUQ4LADB4U2R1ICXp2M£UICXp4XTC | | Contact: asc25@cam.ac.uk | 1-0 1-0B9'n'RTB4IOUATUR32NV0 | | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk | ICAG#2?RSVPASAP'nIC.B2KTICQTRIP | +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ a From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 22 15:44:00 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980122102210.006d3108@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:22:10 -0800 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Re: Hello? In-Reply-To: <199801221330.NAA05044@chalca.comlab.ox.ac.uk> References: <199801220542.AAA28210@smtp1.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 544 Lines: 12 At 01:30 PM 1/22/98 +0000, you wrote: >The year that AOL came into existence is sometimes called "The Year that >September never ended". I remember it well... *grins* For those of you who haven't been around long enough to understand that comment, most colleges, schools and universities unleash a mountain of dung^H^H^H^Hnewbies onto the unsuspecting (though by now it's beginning to see a pattern and is fighting back) Internet in September. With inadequate documentation. Or any semblance of guidance on how to use it. Ho hum. :) Cookie From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 22 15:44:00 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980122102739.006d7920@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:27:39 -0800 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Stop, stop, PLEASE STOP. In-Reply-To: <199801221251.MAA04900@chalca.comlab.ox.ac.uk> References: <199801220542.AAA18518@smtp2.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 695 Lines: 18 >Simon, you have a lot more right to be on that list than I have. Most >of the things I have written for the Sam haven't ventured beyond my >disk box... 'snot the point :) (mainly because I was thinking of a certain z80 engine that's being used in modified form in SimCoupe). What I'm trying to point out really is that the reason the SAM's survived is not down to any one person. And if anyone tries to claim otherwise, then they're either very vain, or sadly deluded. I've put way too much money into this bloody machine, and now I can't use it. Damned 110V power supplies and NTSC tvs. Still, there's always SimCoupe :) (but it's not much use if you're writing comms software...) Simon From imc Thu Jan 22 16:13:04 1998 Subject: Re: Stop, stop, PLEASE STOP. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:13:04 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980122102739.006d7920@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> from "Simon Cooke" at Jan 22, 98 10:27:39 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 404 Lines: 12 On Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:27:39 -0800, Simon Cooke said: > (mainly because I was thinking of a certain z80 engine > that's being used in modified form in SimCoupe). Fair enough. > I've put way too much money into this bloody machine, and now I can't use > it. Damned 110V power supplies and NTSC tvs. I don't suppose you shipped a UK TV over there just to use the Sam with...:-) imc From imc Thu Jan 22 16:35:39 1998 Subject: Re: Wop Gamma To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:35:39 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: from "Andrew Collier" at Jan 22, 98 03:32:32 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 469 Lines: 16 On Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:32:32 +0000, Andrew Vollier said: > way, collecting the pod and scarpering before you get vrushed by something ...VRUSH! Nice word. I wonder what we vould use it for. > a genius and the reactions of a terminal vaffene addict to beat) (Did i Is that an illegal drug? Is there something wrong with your v key? > +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ > > a Ah, a printable vharavter this time. imv From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 22 18:55:01 1998 Message-Id: <199801221618.RAA23110@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:15:26 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 802 Lines: 25 ---------- > Van: Robert van der Veeke > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Onderwerp: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... > Datum: Sunday, January 18, 1998 9:14 ===================== > Yeah sure where is my FRED 81 then? > > I do recall that I have a sub until issue 83. I was going to email this > anyway because Martijn Groen (who just lives around the corner from my > place, well almost, you could walk to it..) already has his Fred 81 for > almost a week now. Got Fred 81 today on the mail, with a date of 19th on it in other words it was never send until I mentioned him at the list, most displeasing :( Ja ne -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] The borderline Express will terminate at this station :) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 22 18:55:01 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980122110836.006d2e34@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:08:36 -0800 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Stop, stop, PLEASE STOP. In-Reply-To: <199801221613.QAA06483@chalca.comlab.ox.ac.uk> References: <3.0.1.32.19980122102739.006d7920@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 279 Lines: 7 >I don't suppose you shipped a UK TV over there just to use the Sam with...:-) Alas no... I didn't even think I'd get away with sending my Phillips monitor over... on the whole it'd cost too much to ship, and I couldn't guarantee I'd get it over here all in one piece... Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 22 18:55:03 1998 From: Matthew Craven Organization: UMIST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:57:32 BST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Stop, stop, PLEASE STOP. In-reply-to: <3a0aa15b.34c681c7@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.52) Message-ID: <62B650723@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 96 Lines: 2 Yes, I agree with you - this endless stream of meaningless messages is just totally pointless. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 22 18:55:04 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980122115202.006d31ac@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:52:02 -0800 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Stop, stop, PLEASE STOP. In-Reply-To: <62B650723@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> References: <3a0aa15b.34c681c7@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 234 Lines: 10 At 04:57 PM 1/22/98 BST, you wrote: >Status: > >Yes, I agree with you - this endless stream of meaningless messages >is just totally pointless. That may be true, but it's a lot more fun than a quiet and empty mailing list ;) Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 22 18:55:06 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <199801221213.MAA13006@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> <280d335a.34c62ac2@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:26:25 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Wop Gamma X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id SAA22862 Status: RO Content-Length: 889 Lines: 23 At 3:32 pm +0000 22/1/98, Andrew Collier wrote: >At 12:12 pm +0000 22/1/98, Dave Hooper wrote: > >>was wop gamma any good? i wanted to buy it but it was around this >>time in my life i was considering a change of direction (ie from sam, >>to pcs) > >>From my "Second Opinion"[1] column in Zodiac double issue 16/17: ^ This character does not exist on the copy in my outbox. Eudora's playing silly again. Andrew --- +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ | Andrew Collier | LOKTLOKTNVS'n'0TTDS'n'3LOKTLOKTYRUAQT1YRUAT3 | | 1B NatSci at Selwyn | ICUQ4LADB4U2R1ICXp2M£UICXp4XTC | | Contact: asc25@cam.ac.uk | 1-0 1-0B9'n'RTB4IOUATUR32NV0 | | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk | ICAG#2?RSVPASAP'nIC.B2KTICQTRIP | +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 22 18:55:07 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199801221635.QAA06573@chalca.comlab.ox.ac.uk> References: from "Andrew Collier" at Jan 22, 98 03:32:32 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:33:08 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Wop Gamma X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id SAA22868 Status: RO Content-Length: 1120 Lines: 32 At 4:35 pm +0000 22/1/98, Ian Vollier wrote: >On Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:32:32 +0000, Andrew Vollier said: >> way, collecting the pod and scarpering before you get vrushed by something > >...VRUSH! Nice word. I wonder what we vould use it for. > >> a genius and the reactions of a terminal vaffene addict to beat) (Did i > >Is that an illegal drug? Is there something wrong with your v key? > >> >>+----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ >> >> >> a > >Ah, a printable vharavter this time. > >imv Hey look, I was vopy-typing from the original magazine artivle, you van expevt a few typographival errors. Andrew +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ | Andrew Vollier | LOKTLOKTNVS'n'0TTDS'n'3LOKTLOKTYRUAQT1YRUAT3 | | 1B NatSvi at Selwyn | IVUQ4LADB4U2R1IVXp2M£UIVXp4XTV | | Vontavt: asv25@vam.av.uk | 1-0 1-0B9'n'RTB4IOUATUR32NV0 | | http://varou.sel.vam.av.uk | IVAG#2?RSVPASAP'nIV.B2KTICQTRIP | +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 22 18:55:07 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <9088f1c0.34c788b2@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:58:08 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Hello? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 483 Lines: 23 In a message dated 21/01/98 18:17:48, you write: >o > >At 5:00 pm +0000 21/1/98, Mark Sturdy wrote: >>On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, BrenchleyR wrote: >> >>> ROTFL. >> >>What does this mean? > >Bob was trying to be hip and trendy by using the acronym for "Rolling on >the floor laughing". > >He probably heard that it was hip and trendy from other aol users. > >Andrew It comes from the standard Usenet list. Which we on AOL will stoop to use just to fit in with those below us :) -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 22 18:55:15 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <88b58340.34c788b4@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:58:09 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Personal email - was Re: Format and their selective publicitypolicy... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 68 Lines: 4 For that, it is kill-file time for him again...... *plonk* -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 22 18:55:16 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <3c0ea9b5.34c788af@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:58:05 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Hello? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 230 Lines: 16 In a message dated 21/01/98 17:08:20, you write: >On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, BrenchleyR wrote: > >> ROTFL. > >What does this mean? > > > According to the list I have 'Rolling on the floor laughing', thought it was standard. -- Bob. From imc Thu Jan 22 19:14:30 1998 Subject: Re: Wop Gamma To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:14:30 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: from "Andrew Collier" at Jan 22, 98 05:26:25 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 396 Lines: 10 On Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:26:25 +0000, Andrew Collier said: > >>From my "Second Opinion"[1] column in Zodiac double issue 16/17: > ^ > This character does not exist on the copy in my outbox. Eudora's playing silly again. No, that's standard mailer behaviour since the string /^From / is used to separate items in a mail folder. On the other hand, you didn't line-break the above correctly. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 22 19:27:17 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ILGW @ C&L NL @ C&L INT @ C&L INT EXTERNAL@INTERLIANT @ OUTBOUND From: Stefan Drissen To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Message-ID: <86256594.00679A67.00@internet-502.interliant.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:43:36 +0100 Subject: Re: samdac Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1647 Lines: 40 >anybody got a samdac lying around that they don't want? I should still have three lying about somewhere - still in need of a good home... Send me 10 pounds sterling (cash) or a eurocheque for 30 guilders and I'll send one out to you. >then again, maybe i should just play mods on the pc instead - >considering that they don't take up nearly 100% processor time >there... ;) But then the PC player doesn't always get the mods played properly - the SAM MOD player has a higher correctly played ration than any pc mod players I've come across. 100% processor time? Not seen the Blitz 2 menu then? >Peace, Love, Kisses... >Johnna Pig Teare >JPOL: http://www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna >"I just want my future to live up to my past..." -- **************************************** This document should only be read by those persons to whom it is addressed and is not intended to be relied upon by any person without subsequent written confirmation of its contents. 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Any form of reproduction, dissemination, copying, disclosure, modification, distribution and/or publication of this E-mail message is strictly prohibited. **************************************** From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 22 19:27:17 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ILGW @ C&L NL @ C&L INT @ C&L INT EXTERNAL@INTERLIANT @ OUTBOUND From: Stefan Drissen To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Message-ID: <86256594.00679767.00@internet-502.interliant.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:48:47 +0100 Subject: Re: SAM with Quazar Surround Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2049 Lines: 52 ><<< Obviously, our Lotus Notes Upgrade still is no good with replies <<<< Well at least it seems to beat Lotus Notes 4.51 - but then it's not really intended for use with an internet gateway... All my >>> thingies are put in manually by copying and pasting your reply... > >The whole reason for this little "project-ette" is to keep the sound >away from my telly. Well, away from whatever produces the white- >noise whenever certain colours (maybe contrasts) are displayed >on the screen. Hmmm, that is a point - I forgot about the TV noise. If you hook up to a monitor this effect should be reduced. >Colin recommended getting a mixer with a good filtering system >to eliminate the noise from the machine. And I've STILL got to buy >a decent pair of speakers. This project of mine is getting more >expensive by the second.... :( Edwin Blink had a little patch which reduced the amount of TV noise on SAM's circuits - it works quite nicely but I would not have a clue what needed to be done. IIRC it simply ment cutting through one track and replacing one resistor with a diode.... Is Edwin still on the list??? >Justin. 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It appears to me that the SAM world now seems >to >revolve around lies, deceit and ripping each other off, and is no longer the >friendly scene that it used to be. > >FRED has gone down the pan, FORMAT/WestCoast/Revelation/god-knows-what-else >are >just plain biased, and the rest never really got off the ground. 1) Fred have not gone down the pan. Darren may be having problems (which some of you could try to offer a helping hand with) but Fred is still very much alive and will be for a long time to come. 2) Biased? Depends on you definition I suppose. If you mean that I try my best to look out for the best interests of [SAM users/Myself/FORMAT readers/My family/My staff/My country/Mankind] (put the list in whatever order you want, it is all the same in the end). Then yes, I suppose I am biased. > >Bob - Why don't you give all this David Ledbury shit a rest? I did not raise it again. >So what if he is linked with Persona, he's not running the company. Besides >doesn't this mean you shouldn't have been supporting SAMCO, seeing as David >worked for them? Doesn't that make him 'involved' in their business. It is for what he did during his time at SAMCO, and shortly thereafter, that he is 'persona non-grata'. >Oh, and by the way, I won't be renewing my subscription to FORMAT or >attending >anymore Gloucester Show's. Why should I line your pocket? If you won't help >others in their business, why should I help yours. Is that not a case of cutting off your nose to spite your face? I have done what I can to help most of the SAM companies who have started up - including David Ledbury before I found out. I have publicised things that you have done - run adverts for Crashed at preferential rates - encouraged Crashed to be at shows --- and this is the way you repay me? May I ask if you just got out of the wrong side of the bed this morning? > >Darren - If you are reading this, my offer still stands. Send me a 3.8GB hard >disc, and I will forget about Kaboom!. Well you did offer another item, but >you >didn't state wether it had to be the same price. Don't be silly - we all know what he meant, and it was an offer he need not even have made as it is NOT his responsibility. When Colin announced he was off to bum around (sorry, travel in a style befitting the depth of his credit card) the States Kaboom was already months late. As I had agreed to design and print the inlay for the game it was agreed that Darren would send me a master copy of the games as soon as it was ready together with a set of labels that Colin had produced for the existing orders for Kaboom. I would then print the inserts - send most to Darren and use some to send out discs to those of Colin's customers I had labels for, sending Colin a bill for the job on his return. That arrangement still stands - as soon as I get a master for the game and the labels Kaboom goes out. >As for your comments about this list not existing if it wasn't for FRED and >FORMAT, where did you dream up that load of bollocks? No they are not - and you know it. > >Right, you can both be as nasty about me as you want, which I'm sure >you will be. I try never to be nasty to anyone unless they have been nasty to me or mine first. > >I couldn't care less. I just think that it's very sad that things have got >this bad. They are as bad as a handful of people on this list are making them - if you want to vent your anger do it at them. > >A not very happy Stewart. Cheer up, soon be Christmas :) -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 22 19:27:17 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:58:55 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 540 Lines: 22 In a message dated 22/01/98 05:43:14, you write: >o > >>Can't agree with that, but it is true that without Bob and Colin the SAM >would >>not exist today as a computer still being made (ok, in small numbers, but it >>is still true you have to admit). > >Perhaps "assembled" rather than "made" would be a little more accurate... >,Simon Assembled, like every PC made in this country. Put together with good British labour. In fact it is true that the case-top, the base, the PCB(s) and the PSUs were all /made/ in the UK. HTH. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 22 19:27:17 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980122135732.006d38c0@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:57:32 -0800 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 656 Lines: 18 At 01:58 PM 1/22/98 EST, you wrote: >Assembled, like every PC made in this country. Put together with good British >labour. > >In fact it is true that the case-top, the base, the PCB(s) and the PSUs were >all /made/ in the UK. "were" being the operative word. *sighs* I'm pissed off this week, alright? Call me a pedant if you will,or a pendant if you want me to hang from the neck... but I like coming on here to get away from my troubles, not to have useless debates retreaded, friends slandered, or having to read general flamage. What's worse, if things don't got alright tomorrow, I can't afford the rent on my apartment next month. Ho hum. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 22 19:27:20 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:58:54 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2446 Lines: 48 In a message dated 22/01/98 00:19:55, you write: >o > >On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, BillRitman wrote: > >> >Not as much of an insult to anyone who has ever owned a SAM as the 'News' >> >page in Format, though. >> >> What? > >What I mean is that, as the editor of Crashed, I go to great lengths >putting together the news section of my magazine. I phone people up, I >write to people, I email people, just to find out what's happening. Now, >I don't run Crashed fulltime, I don't make a profit out of it, and it >currently doesn't have a readership that is one tenth of Format's. Yet I >think that going to lengths trying to provide comprehensive, acccurate >news coverage of the Spectrum and SAM in my magazine is worthwhile. > >And that's why I think Format's news section is an absolute bloody insult >to everyone who reads it. Bob runs Format fulltime; he makes a profit >out of it; his magazine reaches 1400 people, by far the widest audience >for ANY SAM publication. Yet what do we see on the news page, month >after month? PC news. Alan Sugar's business manoevurings. Interminable >stuff about Escom. Information, in short, that means nothing to the >majority of the people who read it, many of whom rely on Format as their >only source of information about what's going on on the SAM and Speccy >scenes. And this in a magazine that claims to be "The home of Z80 >computing". Now if that's not an insult to Supplement, Persona, >Alchemist, and all the many, many others who put their heart and soul into >producing stuff for the SAM and Spectrum, then I don't know what is. FORMAT can, as I've pointed out so often, only print news that it knows about. You may have the time to phone people - I do not, I have to keep the phones free as much as possible for hot-line questions. If we receive a press release then the news gets printed [1]. The rest of the news is what we feel readers are interested in - hard news that has something to do with them and their hobby of computing. Yes we look wider than just the Spectrum and SAM because we have a duty to our readers to inform them. Alan Sugar is, if you remember, still the legal owner of the rights to the 128K Spectrum, his company still makes Z80 based products - should we ignore him? I don't think we have missed using a press release in the last few years, we would of course give priority to Spectrum and SAM news ahead of other items - if we had it to print. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 22 19:27:20 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980122140747.006d1848@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:07:47 -0800 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: I'm sure I'll regret posting this, but... In-Reply-To: <48c46139.34c796ee@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 4726 Lines: 102 At 01:58 PM 1/22/98 EST, you wrote: >>Bob - Why don't you give all this David Ledbury shit a rest? > >I did not raise it again. I beg to differ; your email on the subject is quoted at the end of this one. >It is for what he did during his time at SAMCO, and shortly thereafter, that >he is 'persona non-grata'. What? Put together the newsdisk? Don't mince words Bob. >>As for your comments about this list not existing if it wasn't for FRED and >>FORMAT, where did you dream up that load of bollocks? > >No they are not - and you know it. I refer you to the previous posting... there are a few people who were here on the mailing list from the start, were responsible (in part) for setting it up and publicising it. I'm one of them. Bob Brenchley, Colin MacDonald, etc etc only arrived later. Simon ----------QUOTE STARTS------------- In a message dated 20/01/98 01:09:36, you write: > Not that I want to stir things up, but just an observation.... If I > remember rightly, this thread started with an interesting comparison > between Fred (who's software has been delayed through no fault of the > owner, and has received full support from Format magazine) and Persona (who > AFAIK are up to date with orders, and yet have received bad press and abuse > from Format because another company [Phoenix] had software delayed through > no fault of the owner). I have yet to hear a satisfactory explanation for > this attitude, whether or not you still think it. The difference is, in my opinion, very simple. David Ledbury [let us not get confused with company names here] has an appalling record in his business activities. Persona, which still clearly involves David Ledbury, therefore started from a position where it has to prove itself. One of the things about editing a magazine is that I get the final say in publicity - it is one of the few powers an editor does have. I make no bones about my dislike of David Ledbury. There are things that he has done for which I am not yet ready to forgive let alone forget - and NO, I will not be drawn into giving details: he knows, I know, that is all that matters. I have no complaint against Malcome, only against David Ledbury. At a past Gloucester show I even allowed Persona to share a stand with someone - on the understanding that David Ledbury was not to be there. Despite that, he was. That I took as a personal insult to me and to the rest of the SAM community. I have since made it quite clear that I will accept adverts from Persona at standard rates, rates which anyone can request at any time. On the other hand we have FRED. One of the longest running and most successful companies in the SAM field. A company with a top rate reputation. Darren may have had little or no reputation in his own right but at least what reputation he had was good enough for Colin to allow the hand-over of FRED (and I would trust Colin's decision over many other peoples). Just at the moment it would appear that FRED are having a few problems. I have had some phone calls about the magazine (disc) not appearing and a couple of calls about Kaboom, I have not received a single call about any other software. The problem with Kaboom is well know, it have been discused here before. I don't know why the issues of FRED have longer gaps between them than they used to - it is none of my business, if Darren needed any help he knows that all he need to do is ask. > > I am not saying (and never have said) that Fred should be denied publicity, > or that you should start making personal insults about Colin (previous > owner) or Darren. Rather, that you should not deny Persona their publicity, Nobody has the right to publicity you know. > and that apologies should be made for the past comments about David > (similarly previous owner) and Malcolm. Why, I own neither an apology. >Did you ever tell that guy where to > buy the Midi Sequencer? That, I have to say, I really don't know. If someone rings me and asks "where can I get it" then I would tell them, having first made sure that they understand a little about David Ledbury's past. If they then want to order it that is up to them. However, in print, where I do not have the benefit of being able to put questions to the potential purchaser, I will still refrain from printing details as long as David Ledbury is involved in the company. If they want to advertise it in FORMAT then they are at liberty to do so - under those circumstances I would not be responsible if someone placed an order - it would be a plain commercial advert and that would be the end of it. I hope this lays this matter to rest again (for at least a few months). -- Bob. -------------QUOTE ENDS----------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 22 20:02:17 1998 X-Authentication-Warning: holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk: pyumi owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:53:57 +0000 (GMT) From: Mark Sturdy X-Sender: pyumi@holly To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2182 Lines: 48 On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, BrenchleyR wrote: > FORMAT can, as I've pointed out so often, only print news that it knows about. > You may have the time to phone people - I do not What!!! I'm sorry, but which one of us runs our magazine fulltime? And which one of us is in fulltime education, with lectures and seminars to attend, reading and research to do, essays to write? Which one of us has practically no disposable income to be spending on phone calls and stamps, but does it anyway? Which one of us, in short, can be arsed? >, I have to keep the phones > free as much as possible for hot-line questions. If we receive a press release > then the news gets printed [1]. Do you seriously think that people running tiny businesses, often neither wishing nor managing to make a profit, have the time and money to be sending out press releases to ten or more different SAM/Spectrum magazines? > I don't think we have missed using a press release in the last few years, we > would of course give priority to Spectrum and SAM news ahead of other items - > if we had it to print. What makes Format any different to The ZX Files, Classix, AlchNews, PD Power, Crashed, Blitz, Supplement, Zodiac, Fred, Outlet, SAM2SAM, Network Sigma or any other SAM/Spectrum publication? All of the aforementioned are put together by amateurs in what limited spare time they have. All of them have far fewer resources at their disposal than Format, and all of them have infinitely more comprehensive news coverage. Of course, I don't have business telling you what editorial decisions you should be making, but the reason all this gets my goat is that Format reaches a huge audience compared to any of its competitors, and therefore has the greatest power to affect the SAM/Spectrum scene, for better or for worse. Letters are forever appearing in Format saying things like "There doesn't seem to be much happening for the SAM/Speccy any more, so I'm packing it in" - if people DID know what was going on, maybe our userbase wouldn't be trickling away at such a rate, and maybe you wouldn't have lost almost half your readers over the past few years. SRD, Kl'aa-du. Heart beats up love From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 22 20:02:17 1998 X-Authentication-Warning: holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk: pyumi owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:58:42 +0000 (GMT) From: Mark Sturdy X-Sender: pyumi@holly To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: I'm sure I'll regret posting this, but... In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980122140747.006d1848@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 723 Lines: 16 On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, Simon Cooke wrote: > >It is for what he did during his time at SAMCO, and shortly thereafter, that > >he is 'persona non-grata'. > > What? Put together the newsdisk? Don't mince words Bob. I heard (forget where from) that Bob wasn't happy about the fact that David had used his influence at SAMCo to get information which would lead to Phoenix/Persona ending up with the rights to certain pieces of software (I forget which ones) after West Coast went down. Which, of course, is COMPLETELY different to how Bob's ended up basically owning the SAM. Is David still on the list? You've been staying very quiet, David, if you are. I'd have thought you'd have something to say about all this . . . From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 22 20:26:22 1998 Message-Id: <199801222017.VAA16587@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 21:15:23 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 583 Lines: 19 > Van: BillRitman > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Onderwerp: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... > Datum: Thursday, January 22, 1998 12:16 > > You try getting publicity in magazines if you are not prepared to advertise, I > know, my brother runs his own business and can't even get a mention in his own > local paper without the advertising department having their share. How do you think I get paid in the first place Ja ne -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] The borderline Express will terminate at this station :) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 22 20:26:22 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <88b58340.34c788b4@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 20:18:40 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Personal email - was Re: Format and their selective publicitypolicy... X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id UAA24623 Status: RO Content-Length: 785 Lines: 21 At 5:58 pm +0000 22/1/98, BrenchleyR wrote: >For that, it is kill-file time for him again...... *plonk* Why, are you embarrassed about something you said? The forward button is regretably close to the reply button. But you'll remember I did reply to you - not that you've shown the same courtesy. Andrew --- +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ | Andrew Collier | LOKTLOKTNVS'n'0TTDS'n'3LOKTLOKTYRUAQT1YRUAT3 | | 1B NatSci at Selwyn | ICUQ4LADB4U2R1ICXp2M£UICXp4XTC | | Contact: asc25@cam.ac.uk | 1-0 1-0B9'n'RTB4IOUATUR32NV0 | | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk | ICAG#2?RSVPASAP'nIC.B2KTICQTRIP | +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+  From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 22 20:26:24 1998 X-Authentication-Warning: electron.mono.org: unc owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 20:21:29 +0000 (GMT) From: Tim Paveley To: Sam Users Mailing List Subject: One comment. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 30 Lines: 5 Your mum. Thank you. ....@/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 22 21:18:33 1998 Message-ID: <34C7B1A0.188C@ndirect.co.uk> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 20:52:48 +0000 From: Nev Young Organization: ndirect X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Stop, stop, PLEASE STOP. References: <199801220542.AAA18518@smtp2.erols.com> <3.0.1.32.19980122102739.006d7920@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 858 Lines: 26 Simon Cooke wrote: > > > I've put way too much money into this bloody machine, and now I can't use > it. Damned 110V power supplies and NTSC tvs. > IIRC grounding pin 20 of the MC1377P gives NTSC output. You can power the whole thing from a bog standard PC type supply How far you have to re-tune the modulator is any bodys guess. none of the above has been tried. hth -- ---------------------------------------------------- | | |This site is developing self awareness | |(Oh no I'm not. cognito ergo P120-S) | |--------------------------------------------------| |Home nevilley @ ndirect.co.uk | |Work gbh3rknr @ ibmmail.com | |http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~nevilley/homepage.htm | ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 22 21:38:00 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980122161300.006db4f8@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:13:00 -0800 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Stop, stop, PLEASE STOP. In-Reply-To: <34C7B1A0.188C@ndirect.co.uk> References: <199801220542.AAA18518@smtp2.erols.com> <3.0.1.32.19980122102739.006d7920@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 612 Lines: 20 At 08:52 PM 1/22/98 +0000, you wrote: >IIRC grounding pin 20 of the MC1377P gives NTSC output. > >You can power the whole thing from a bog standard PC type supply > >How far you have to re-tune the modulator is any bodys guess. > >none of the above has been tried. *grins* Well, I'd try it, but for the fact that it'll still be 50Hz -- that's ASIC determined... and the modulator isn't correct -- the sound carrier is different, as are the bandwidth specs for the colour signal. Wouldn't work -- not without serious remodelling of the whole output stage. Still, ne'er mind -- and thanks for trying :) Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 22 21:42:29 1998 Message-ID: <34C7BC4C.13DF@ndirect.co.uk> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 21:38:20 +0000 From: Nev Young Organization: ndirect X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Stop, stop, PLEASE STOP. References: <199801220542.AAA18518@smtp2.erols.com> <3.0.1.32.19980122102739.006d7920@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> <3.0.1.32.19980122161300.006db4f8@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1254 Lines: 36 Simon Cooke wrote: > > At 08:52 PM 1/22/98 +0000, you wrote: > >IIRC grounding pin 20 of the MC1377P gives NTSC output. > > > >You can power the whole thing from a bog standard PC type supply > > > >How far you have to re-tune the modulator is any bodys guess. > > > >none of the above has been tried. > > *grins* > > Well, I'd try it, but for the fact that it'll still be 50Hz -- that's ASIC > determined... and the modulator isn't correct -- the sound carrier is > different, as are the bandwidth specs for the colour signal. > > Wouldn't work -- not without serious remodelling of the whole output stage. > Still, ne'er mind -- and thanks for trying :) > > Simon Well it is past my bed time you know. You can't expect me to think clearly so late in the day. ;-) -- ---------------------------------------------------- | | |This site is developing self awareness | |(Oh no I'm not. cognito ergo P120-S) | |--------------------------------------------------| |Home nevilley @ ndirect.co.uk | |Work gbh3rknr @ ibmmail.com | |http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~nevilley/homepage.htm | ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 22 22:00:10 1998 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: sskardon@argonet.co.uk (Stewart Skardon) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 22 Jan 98 21:32:50 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: I'm sure I'll regret posting this, but... Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2013 Lines: 59 On Thu 22 Jan 98 (13:58:51), brenchleyr@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 21/01/98 22:26:53, you write: > [Cut to save everyone some time] > >>Oh, and by the way, I won't be renewing my subscription to FORMAT or >>attending >>anymore Gloucester Show's. Why should I line your pocket? If you won't >help >>others in their business, why should I help yours. > >Is that not a case of cutting off your nose to spite your face? I have Not really. I own 3 SAMs, if one goes wrong, I'll just use one of the others. I won't need spare parts, or repair services. As for FORMAT, as Mark pointed out, what SAM news do you ever print except something related to your 'monopoly'. I won't miss out on much. Besides, I can start getting Blitz, can't I? Persona seem to be the only people actually working on anything for SAM. >done what I can to help most of the SAM companies who have started up - >including David Ledbury before I found out. I have publicised things >that you have done - run adverts for Crashed at preferential rates - Publicised things that I have done? What? When? Run adverts for Crashed - Yes, but not for my benefit though. If I remember correctly, it was in fact Mark who arranged all that without me knowing. I was just the mug that designed the advert at the last minute. Besides - I would like to point out that I don't actually get anything out of Crashed, I just do it for fun, so why should I care wether you advertise it or not? If Crashed loses readers, I don't lose anything. >encouraged Crashed to be at shows --- and this is the way you repay me? >May I ask if you just got out of the wrong side of the bed this >morning? [cut once again] > >-- >Bob. > > Stewart. -- _ (_'tewart email : sskardon@argonet.co.uk ,_)kardon http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/stewart/ Crashed Magazine - The SAM Coupe and ZX Spectrum Magazine. Crashed WWW Site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon Crashed Email - crashed@argonet.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 22 23:30:36 1998 X-Authentication-Warning: lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk: pyumi owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 23:21:33 +0000 (GMT) From: Mark Sturdy X-Sender: pyumi@lily To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: I'm sure I'll regret posting this, but... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 849 Lines: 25 On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, Stewart Skardon wrote: > On Thu 22 Jan 98 (13:58:51), brenchleyr@aol.com wrote: > >done what I can to help most of the SAM companies who have started up - > >including David Ledbury before I found out. I have publicised things > >that you have done - run adverts for Crashed at preferential rates - > > Publicised things that I have done? What? When? > > Run adverts for Crashed - Yes, but not for my benefit though. If I remember > correctly, it was in fact Mark who arranged all that without me knowing. I was > just the mug that designed the advert at the last minute. Besides - I would > like to point out that I don't actually get anything out of Crashed I'd just like to point out that I don't either - just the satisfaction of a job well done. Well, a job done. Sometimes. SRD, Kl'aa-du. Heart beats up love From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 23 00:45:53 1998 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 00:32:51 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: samdac In-Reply-To: <199801221218.MAA14102@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a <8OHKkEUpoELRXgFKFsA4hwDBr8> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 917 Lines: 22 In message <199801221218.MAA14102@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk>, Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> writes >> then again, maybe i should just play mods on the pc instead - >> considering that they don't take up nearly 100% processor time >> there... ;) > >may i recommend the latest version of impulse tracker? >it now comes with MMX drivers (K6 too, o'course) that handle software >resonant-filters. mmmm, yummy. I use MOD Plug, uses MMX too and is very yummy too. Graham -- /====================================================\ +--------------+ | My proverb for this week: | |This Space For| | "The less bits, the less can go wrong... | | Hire - Ideal | | Unless you wobble something important at the back" | |For Weddings &| \==Graham Goring - graham@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk==/ | Bahmitzvas | My Website, coming to a server near you - SOON +--------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 23 09:29:04 1998 Message-ID: <1F16DA3001F73000@c2gate.tcom.co.uk> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 9:06:00 +0000 From: Dan Doore Organization: * To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no (Sam Users Mailing List) Subject: RE: samdac Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.30A MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 743 Lines: 28 > >may i recommend the latest version of impulse tracker? > >it now comes with MMX drivers (K6 too, o'course) that handle software > >resonant-filters. mmmm, yummy. > > I use MOD Plug, uses MMX too and is very yummy too. Likewise. [SOFTWARE INFORMATION] ModPlug Player is a freeware and may be freely distributed. As it is a freeware, I am not responsible for any problems that could be caused by the usage of this program. [SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS] - 486DX2-66 minimum (Pentium 100MHz highly recommended). - Windows 95 or Windows NT 3.51 or higher. - A soundcard with 32-bit drivers. Nickable from: http://www.castlex.com/modplugplayer/ Dan. Work: dandoore@bacg.com Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 23 10:37:04 1998 Message-Id: <199801231026.KAA05223@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:26:14 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Wop Gamma In-reply-to: References: <199801221213.MAA13006@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1191 Lines: 35 > review that, can I?) style. On a par with Splat in terms of not actually > being a platform game, this sees you negotiating 100 scrolling levels - but on a par with Splat? when i got the Sam Newsdisk (rip) with the demo of splat on it, i thought, my god, what a terrible game. the next day, as it happens, as i was strolling the streets of Aldershot, i happenned across a shop which i had not been in since leaving living in Aldershot for the grassy green of Fleet. i came out of the shop with a copy of Splat, for the spectrum, for 50p. it was better. > very limits. The column seemed very popular overall, and I know of at least > two people who read it and bought some old games on my recommendation. is that, ' i knew of at least two people who read it. oh, and they also bought some old games on my recommendation' ? column in what, anyway? does anyone remember Sam Supplement? whatever happened to that? i bought up to issue 15, and then sorta forgot. still got hundreds of disk-sized envelopes wanting a home. dave any other takers for my Z80 Spectrum Emulator / Windows95 integration 'suite' thingie? the bugs are gone, now, you can come out now, it's safe. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 23 10:37:11 1998 Message-Id: <199801231029.KAA05923@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:28:31 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... In-reply-to: <199801221326.NAA05022@chalca.comlab.ox.ac.uk> References: <199801220542.AAA18544@smtp2.erols.com> from "Simon Cooke" at Jan 22, 98 00:42:30 am X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 302 Lines: 8 > I got mine in Feb^H^H^HNovember 1994 from Jean Tonks. i got mine in 1989. it still has 256K, but it least it now has a v2 rom. probably looking to sell it, soon, i guess. suppose i'll throw in all my discs and comms i/face. or maybe i should keep it? what would it be worth in fifty years time? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 23 11:26:22 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <00256595.003D5DF8.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:16:36 +0000 Subject: Re: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 702 Lines: 20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i got mine in 1989. it still has 256K, but it least it now has a v2 rom. probably looking to sell it, soon, i guess. suppose i'll throw in all my discs and comms i/face. or maybe i should keep it? what would it be worth in fifty years time? <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Apparently, since 8bit machines are becoming increasingly popular (people seeing emulators and then desiring to own the real thing - Especially Spectrums) the potential value will increase exponentially. SAMs were made in such small numbers (compared to Speccys and C64s) that it may even be viewed as a "cult classic" in time. I may be delusional, but if it doesn't happen, I'll eat my hat. Justin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 23 11:26:23 1998 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 12:16:38 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9801231116.AA21360@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re:Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 416 Lines: 13 > > I guesstimate that about 3-5 ppl on this list can claim that, and > > I'm one of them. > > I was there from day 1 too.... Actually, you had the two first messages on the list on the 10th and 14th of January 1994 about the SAM Information Server. I came second on the 25th. :) As far as I believe I remember, Arnt created the group on the 10th (I believe) after it was requested by Colin and me... -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 23 11:39:32 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <00256595.003F2E2B.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:34:20 +0000 Subject: Re:Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 797 Lines: 22 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > I guesstimate that about 3-5 ppl on this list can claim that, and > > I'm one of them. > > I was there from day 1 too.... Actually, you had the two first messages on the list on the 10th and 14th of January 1994 about the SAM Information Server. I came second on the 25th. :) As far as I believe I remember, Arnt created the group on the 10th (I believe) after it was requested by Colin and me... <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Any idea when I first came on the list? under the guises of c1js@dmu.ac.uk or c2jps@dmu.ac.uk or c93js1@dmu.ac.uk? I do remember that when i first subscribed (to which I didn't send anything around then) it was rather quiet and everyone was talking about some hardware.... I think it was sometime in 1994.. Possibly May/Junish time? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 23 13:25:57 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:17:16 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 3175 Lines: 70 In a message dated 22/01/98 20:03:46, you write: > >On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, BrenchleyR wrote: > >> FORMAT can, as I've pointed out so often, only print news that it knows >about. >> You may have the time to phone people - I do not > >What!!! I'm sorry, but which one of us runs our magazine fulltime? And >which one of us is in fulltime education, with lectures and seminars to >attend, reading and research to do, essays to write? Which one of us >has practically no disposable income to be spending on phone calls and >stamps, but does it anyway? Which one of us, in short, can be arsed? Which one of us provides all the services and support that INDUG does? Which one of us takes the /professional/ approach to his business. Do you find 'high street' mags ringing round people looking for news? No. They rely on press releases and other news feeds. If a few people would take a leaf out of Colin Piggot's book and deal with their business publicity in a professional way, as he does so well, then they too may find they get the attention they want. > >>, I have to keep the phones >> free as much as possible for hot-line questions. If we receive a press >release >> then the news gets printed [1]. > >Do you seriously think that people running tiny businesses, often >neither wishing nor managing to make a profit, have the time and money to >be sending out press releases to ten or more different SAM/Spectrum >magazines? Yes. > >> I don't think we have missed using a press release in the last few years, >we >> would of course give priority to Spectrum and SAM news ahead of other items >- >> if we had it to print. > >What makes Format any different to The ZX Files, Classix, AlchNews, PD >Power, Crashed, Blitz, Supplement, Zodiac, Fred, Outlet, SAM2SAM, Network >Sigma or any other SAM/Spectrum publication? All of the aforementioned >are put together by amateurs in what limited spare time they have. All >of them have far fewer resources at their disposal than Format, and all of >them have infinitely more comprehensive news coverage. See above. > >Of course, I don't have business telling you what editorial decisions you >should be making, but the reason all this gets my goat is that Format >reaches a huge audience compared to any of its competitors, and therefore >has the greatest power to affect the SAM/Spectrum scene, for better or for >worse. Letters are forever appearing in Format saying things like "There >doesn't seem to be much happening for the SAM/Speccy any more, so I'm >packing it in" - if people DID know what was going on, maybe our userbase >wouldn't be trickling away at such a rate, and maybe you wouldn't have >lost almost half your readers over the past few years. As I say, if we have news then we print it. We cannot go around manufacturing news and we will not print news about products that do not exist and stand little chance (in our opinion) of existing. We will give help to new projects where we can, I'm often asked to sound out people about new things - this I gladly do over the phone, where there is two-way conversation during which you can get instant feed-back and correct misunderstandings. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 23 13:25:57 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <3f39f897.34c89860@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:17:17 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 634 Lines: 22 In a message dated 23/01/98 11:56:39, you write: >< > >Apparently, since 8bit machines are becoming increasingly >popular (people seeing emulators and then desiring to own >the real thing - Especially Spectrums) the potential value >will increase exponentially. SAMs were made in such small >numbers (compared to Speccys and C64s) that it may even >be viewed as a "cult classic" in time. > >I may be delusional, but if it doesn't happen, I'll eat my hat. > >Justin See the latest issue of Retro Classix. (6 issues for 13ukp from Graham Howden, 4 Chatterton Avenue, Lincoln, LN1 3TB.) Could be it got cult status already. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 23 13:49:31 1998 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:43:40 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9801231343.AA22209@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re:Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 969 Lines: 34 X-UID: 185 > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > I guesstimate that about 3-5 ppl on this list can claim that, and > > > I'm one of them. > > > > I was there from day 1 too.... > Actually, you had the two first messages on the list on the > 10th and 14th of January 1994 about the SAM Information Server. > I came second on the 25th. :) > As far as I believe I remember, Arnt created the group on the > 10th (I believe) after it was requested by Colin and me... > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > Any idea when I first came on the list? under the guises of c1js@dmu.ac.uk > or c2jps@dmu.ac.uk or c93js1@dmu.ac.uk? Yes.... > > I do remember that when i first subscribed (to which I didn't send > anything around then) it was rather quiet and everyone was talking > about some hardware.... Uh...XCoupe was hot.... > > I think it was sometime in 1994.. Possibly May/Junish time? > Are you kidding me? 7th October 1996 - more than two years off. ;) -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 23 13:59:43 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199801231026.KAA05223@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> References: <199801221213.MAA13006@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:53:00 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Wop Gamma X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id NAA18707 Status: RO Content-Length: 2335 Lines: 63 At 10:26 am +0000 23/1/98, Dave Hooper wrote: >> review that, can I?) style. On a par with Splat in terms of not actually >> being a platform game, this sees you negotiating 100 scrolling levels - but > >on a par with Splat? No, what I meant was that for a column about Platform Games, this one was stretching the definition - in the same way the Splat had done on the previous page. >when i got the Sam Newsdisk (rip) with the demo of splat on it, i >thought, my god, what a terrible game. the next day, as it happens, >as i was strolling the streets of Aldershot, i happenned across a >shop which i had not been in since leaving living in Aldershot for >the grassy green of Fleet. i came out of the shop with a copy of >Splat, for the spectrum, for 50p. > >it was better. When I have time, I'll type up the Splat review too. I gave it 6 (Fun, but playability has suffered). Perhaps I should put all the reviews on my web page? >> very limits. The column seemed very popular overall, and I know of at least >> two people who read it and bought some old games on my recommendation. > >is that, ' i knew of at least two people who read it. oh, and they >also bought some old games on my recommendation' ? No, I know of quite a lot of people who have read the articles - I would imagine that most of the people who bought those issues of the magazine would have read the articles. But I know of two people who bought old games whose choice was determined by reading my article. >column in what, anyway? Zodiac >does anyone remember Sam Supplement? whatever happened to that? i >bought up to issue 15, and then sorta forgot. still got hundreds of >disk-sized envelopes wanting a home. > >dave > > >any other takers for my Z80 Spectrum Emulator / Windows95 integration >'suite' thingie? the bugs are gone, now, you can come out now, it's >safe. Andrew --- +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ | Andrew Collier | LOKTLOKTNVS'n'0TTDS'n'3LOKTLOKTYRUAQT1YRUAT3 | | 1B NatSci at Selwyn | ICUQ4LADB4U2R1ICXp2M£UICXp4XTC | | Contact: asc25@cam.ac.uk | 1-0 1-0B9'n'RTB4IOUATUR32NV0 | | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk | ICAG#2?RSVPASAP'nIC.B2KTICQTRIP | +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 23 14:24:44 1998 Message-ID: <19980123141124.18676.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [138.251.20.14] From: Colin Piggot To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re:Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 06:11:17 PST X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1122 Lines: 29 Frode Tenneboe said: >Actually, you had the two first messages on the list on the >10th and 14th of January 1994 about the SAM Information Server. >I came second on the 25th. :) I couldn't remember that I had the first two messages! What an achievement! My information server soon bite the dust when the mailing list got more popular. For the many people that weren't around then it was a program I had written so you could log in (using telnet) and post messages. Colin P. 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To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:36:47 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <9801231343.AA22209@asmal.edh-net> from "Frode Tenneboe" at Jan 23, 98 02:43:40 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1658 Lines: 46 On Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:43:40 +0100, various people said: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Actually, you had the two first messages on the list on the > > 10th and 14th of January 1994 about the SAM Information Server. > > I came second on the 25th. :) > > As far as I believe I remember, Arnt created the group on the > > 10th (I believe) after it was requested by Colin and me... And my sub went in on 7 February (the same day as my first recorded posting to css - an hour before it, in fact), after which the list seems to have gone like this... 1994 Feb 9 Stephen Longhurst Software Feb 10 slawek@namu01.gwdg.de Sam Supplement Feb 21 Frode Tennebo nvg problems... Feb 21 Frode Tennebo nvg problems...repost Feb 21 Mars Bar Re: nvg problems...repost Feb 21 Stephen Longhurst Mouse!!! Feb 23 Simon Cooke Lemmings! Feb 23 imc Re: Lemmings! Feb 23 Colin G Piggot Re: Lemmings Feb 28 Colin G Piggot SAM INFO SERVER Mar 14 Colin G Piggot Info Server - Sam User's Survey It wasn't very active in those days. :-) But some of the subjects were similar to those of today. Apr 25 Nigel J Kettlewell Bob Brenchley is a liar Popular subject was that one... > > Any idea when I first came on the list? under the guises of c1js@dmu.ac.uk > > or c2jps@dmu.ac.uk or c93js1@dmu.ac.uk? > > I think it was sometime in 1994.. Possibly May/Junish time? > Are you kidding me? 7th October 1996 - more than two years off. ;) He's right, you know. :-) October 1996 - the first month in which I had to archive sam-users more than once (three times, in fact). imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 23 15:27:01 1998 From: The Mad Goose Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:55:19 GMT+0 Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <3F4857ACD@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2880 Lines: 69 Time for my tuppence... > In a message dated 18/01/98 14:56:19, you write: > > >. > [big snip] > > > >Remember. If it wasn't for Format or FRED, this list probably wouldn't > >exist. > > Can't agree with that, but it is true that without Bob and Colin the SAM would > not exist today as a computer still being made (ok, in small numbers, but it > is still true you have to admit). > > Why do some of the people on this list just go out of their way to cause > trouble? > It's not people causing trouble - it's just that a lot of people on this list are fed up with Bob thinking he owns the SAM world and everybody in it. This is a list for discussion and debate, and if people have opinions they should be allowed to voice them freely. Personally, I usually agree with a lot of what Andrew says when he posts - mainly because during my short time involved in magazine publishing in the SAM community I found David Ledbury to be a very helpful and pleasant person. Having never met Bob I can't really comment, but it has to be said that he doesn't come across as a particularly friendly guy considering he won't let his vendetta against David drop. Persona are doing more for the SAM world at the moment than Fred/Revelation are - yet they still get good press. From what I can gather, Fred has gone so far down the hill that people now class Blitz as the most reliable source of information. This is something I never thought would happen. If Persona are working their butts off to keep this small Sam commnuuity alive it seems only fair (and, in business terms for Bob, sensible , remember no SAM users = no FORMAT subbers) that they should receive some recognition for them. To censor their activities just because of an incident that happened between Dave and Bob nearly five years ago (regarding the software after SAMCo went bust), especuially considering that David has little or nothing to do with the business activities of persona is chi9ldish, and can only contribute to the death (if in fact, the machine isn';t already dead) of the Sam. Bob has done some a great deal of good for the SAM - chipping in to keep it alive after SAMCo hit the wall and then managing to run West Coast Computers AND Revelation to this day, but this current feud that restricts some Format readers of knowledge of other peoples products is a definite down side to his business activities. What a damn shame that, after working so hard to keep it afloat, it will eventually, and inevitably, bne Bob that helps contribute to the destruction of the SAM Coupe as we know it. And if you want to flame me, then take it to private email because this list is busy enough squablling amongst themselves. > Bill. > > Bill. > Peace, Love, Kisses... Johnna Pig Teare JPOL: http://www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna "I just want my future to live up to my past..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 23 15:27:01 1998 From: The Mad Goose Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:57:03 GMT+0 Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <3FAE46DA5@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 439 Lines: 19 > Haven't you? I again ask the question of why a select few seem to have the > knives out for one of the people we have to thank for the fact that the Sam is > still alive. Some people seem to bite the hand that feeds them. > > Bill. > Bill, are you for real? Or are you samsboss in the flesh? ;-) > Peace, Love, Kisses... Johnna Pig Teare JPOL: http://www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna "I just want my future to live up to my past..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 23 15:27:01 1998 Message-ID: <4TLufCAmELy0EwOT@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 15:03:02 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... In-Reply-To: <199801231436.OAA08891@chalca.comlab.ox.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a <8OHKkEUpoELRXgFKFsA4hwDBr8> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 711 Lines: 17 In message <199801231436.OAA08891@chalca.comlab.ox.ac.uk>, Ian Collier writes >October 1996 - the first month in which I had to archive sam-users more than >once (three times, in fact). How many Mb is the archive standing at now, then? Graham -- /====================================================\ +--------------+ | My proverb for this week: | |This Space For| | "The less bits, the less can go wrong... | | Hire - Ideal | | Unless you wobble something important at the back" | |For Weddings &| \==Graham Goring - graham@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk==/ | Bahmitzvas | My Website, coming to a server near you - SOON +--------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 23 15:27:01 1998 From: The Mad Goose Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 15:07:01 GMT+0 Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <433FC3082@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 771 Lines: 21 > You try getting publicity in magazines if you are not prepared to advertise, I > know, my brother runs his own business and can't even get a mention in his own > local paper without the advertising department having their share. But can't you recognise the fact that SAM companies cannot afford to advertise because the market is so small - a little free plug here and there can make the difference and then, when the money comes rolling (!) in they can return the favour by placing an advert in Format. The whole thing works in cyclical fashion, but someone has to kickstart the thing otherwise nobody gets anywhere. > Bill. > Peace, Love, Kisses... Johnna Pig Teare JPOL: http://www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna "I just want my future to live up to my past..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 23 15:27:01 1998 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 15:14:27 +0000 To: Sam Users From: Graham Goring Subject: E-Tunes MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a <8OHKkEUpoELRXgFKFsA4hwDBr8> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 898 Lines: 23 I was wondering, how difficult would it be to write a W95/NT compatible E-Tune player? Because, I really miss those tunes, and although my SAM is just behind me, hooked up and ready to go, it's too much bother searching through all those bloody disks to find them all (although I have about 150 in one big chunk that I listen to sometimes). So, who'd be up for the programming if I were up for the archiving/sorting etc? Anyone? No? Bugger... Graham -- /====================================================\ +--------------+ | My proverb for this week: | |This Space For| | "The less bits, the less can go wrong... | | Hire - Ideal | | Unless you wobble something important at the back" | |For Weddings &| \==Graham Goring - graham@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk==/ | Bahmitzvas | My Website, coming to a server near you - SOON +--------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 23 15:32:47 1998 From: The Mad Goose Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 15:26:40 GMT+0 Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <4795D0832@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 581 Lines: 21 > Thanks for using NetForward! > http://www.netforward.com > v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v > > > Certainly I've bought all of Revelation's *Sam* games for the past five > > years or so (ie excluding Elite, obviously) > > > was wop gamma any good? i wanted to buy it but it was around this > time in my life i was considering a change of direction (ie from sam, > to pcs) one of the best games sam has got. > > > Peace, Love, Kisses... Johnna Pig Teare JPOL: http://www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna "I just want my future to live up to my past..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 23 16:04:45 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980123103749.006dc0bc@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:37:49 -0800 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1434 Lines: 29 At 08:17 AM 1/23/98 EST, you wrote: >Which one of us provides all the services and support that INDUG does? >Which one of us takes the /professional/ approach to his business. >Do you find 'high street' mags ringing round people looking for news? No. They >rely on press releases and other news feeds. Yes, actually. You'd be surprised. How many 'high street mags' have you written for, Bob? Press releases are only one small part of the news and story gathering process. I've written for 8 or 9 high street mags -- I should know. >As I say, if we have news then we print it. We cannot go around manufacturing >news and we will not print news about products that do not exist and stand >little chance (in our opinion) of existing. We will give help to new projects >where we can, I'm often asked to sound out people about new things - this I >gladly do over the phone, where there is two-way conversation during which >you can get instant feed-back and correct misunderstandings. Like the SAM ASIC upgrade idea? The one that was conceived at an All Formats Fair, just before I got my job at YS, talked to the editor about it, we printed the story -- after the editor phoned Bruce Gordon, who confirmed the facts of the story -- and then West Coast / Format decided to disavow all knowledge of it. Thanks a bunch, Bob, for your news-gathering abilities. 1000 SAM users, 50 pounds each, brand new ASIC. Small price to pay. Simon From imc Fri Jan 23 16:58:39 1998 Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:58:39 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <3F4857ACD@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> from "The Mad Goose" at Jan 23, 98 02:55:19 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 346 Lines: 9 On Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:55:19 GMT+0, The Mad Goose said: > Bob has done some a great deal of good for the SAM - chipping in to > keep it alive after SAMCo hit the wall and then managing to run West > Coast Computers AND Revelation to this day, ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Thought you'd get away with that then did you? :-) imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 23 17:16:56 1998 From: The Mad Goose Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 17:09:13 GMT+0 Subject: Why? X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <634646C64@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 362 Lines: 10 Why do I get the horrible feeling that, seeing as I've posted to here earlier on today and have not had it rerouted to me yet, i'm going to come in tomorrow and have about 50 mails waiting for me? i hate it when that happens... Peace, Love, Kisses... Johnna Pig Teare JPOL: http://www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna "I just want my future to live up to my past..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 23 17:25:54 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <00256595.005EC73F.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 17:20:41 +0000 Subject: Re:Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 692 Lines: 25 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > I think it was sometime in 1994.. Possibly May/Junish time? > Are you kidding me? 7th October 1996 - more than two years off. ;) -Frode <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Ahem.. I was close.. At least I got the right century! :) Wait a minute. That was when I first got back to Uni from my year's work experience in Southampton. I'm sure I subscribed a few weeks while I was in the second year BEFORE I went there. That's how I know it existed (but I couldn't remember the address!) I also think I asked about sound from the lightpen port then aswell! :) (In 1996, that is..) Oh well, perhaps I'm wrong.. I've got a memory like a used union! Justin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 23 17:38:31 1998 X-Authentication-Warning: holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk: pyumi owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 17:35:29 +0000 (GMT) From: Mark Sturdy X-Sender: pyumi@holly To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Wop Gamma In-Reply-To: <199801231026.KAA05223@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id RAA24708 Status: RO Content-Length: 371 Lines: 16 On Fri, 23 Jan 1998, Dave Hooper wrote: > does anyone remember Sam Supplement? whatever happened to that? i > bought up to issue 15, and then sorta forgot. still got hundreds of > disk-sized envelopes wanting a home. Still going, still really good, still £2 (or 50p + disk and return postage), still the same address. Hurrah! SRD, Kl'aa-du. Heart beats up love From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 23 17:45:35 1998 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 18:41:20 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9801231741.AA25319@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re:Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1456 Lines: 56 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > I think it was sometime in 1994.. Possibly May/Junish time? > > > Are you kidding me? 7th October 1996 - more than two years off. ;) > -Frode > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > > Ahem.. I was close.. At least I got the right century! :) > > Wait a minute. That was when I first got back to Uni from my year's > work experience in Southampton. I'm sure I subscribed a few weeks > while I was in the second year BEFORE I went there. That's how I know > it existed (but I couldn't remember the address!) > > I also think I asked about sound from the lightpen port then aswell! :) > (In 1996, that is..) > > Oh well, perhaps I'm wrong.. I've got a memory like a used union! ..abused? :) " From: Justin Skists X-Sender: c93js1@fermat.cms.dmu.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Simcoupe In-Reply-To: <9610062338.AA12760@mars.cableol.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Lines: 21 Status: RO Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 921 On Mon, 7 Oct 1996, Neil Maynard wrote: > Any news on a Floppy disk version of Simcoupe for all us sad people > running MS Dos/Windows ? Erm.. Hi.. First time mailing to this.. Hope I got the 'Reply to:' bits right.. : :" So there... :) -Frode > > Justin > > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 23 17:50:39 1998 From: SparkY To: sam-users Subject: Re: Wop Gamma Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 17:48:31 -0000 Message-Id: <01bd2827$1eb8b920$2a14a8c2@sparky> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 986 Lines: 24 > does anyone remember Sam Supplement? whatever happened to that? i > bought up to issue 15, and then sorta forgot. still got hundreds of > disk-sized envelopes wanting a home. > dave SAM Supplement is still going as far as I know. I thought it had ended last year with issue 51 (as that is the last issue that I received, and I had a few more on my sub or so I thought), but apparently it is still going, although not as regularly as it used to be. I keep meaning to send off for it, must get round to it... (And Splat is good! I like it! :) By the way, my mates in Uni think your name sounds like an American Football commentator - "Here with us today we have Daaaaaaaave Hoooooper" (Erm, look its funny when you hear them say it okay? :) ============================================== Email: gavin.smith@cableol.co.uk IRC: Undernet's #TheLocal (SparkY or SparkYY) #TheLocal webpage: http://www.infj.ulst.ac.uk/~ckh225 ICQ: 5099913 ============================================== From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 23 18:06:20 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980123124735.006e01c0@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 12:47:35 -0800 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Wop Gamma In-Reply-To: References: <199801231026.KAA05223@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> <199801221213.MAA13006@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 310 Lines: 10 At 01:53 PM 1/23/98 +0000, you wrote: >When I have time, I'll type up the Splat review too. I gave it 6 (Fun, but >playability has suffered). Apparently Chris White offered to rewrite the scroll routines for Colin... Colin declined... Chris had them going about 4-8 times faster -- maybe even more ;) Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 23 18:19:51 1998 X-Authentication-Warning: holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk: pyumi owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 18:13:58 +0000 (GMT) From: Mark Sturdy X-Sender: pyumi@holly To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 3421 Lines: 72 On Fri, 23 Jan 1998, BrenchleyR wrote: > Do you find 'high street' mags ringing round people looking for news? No. They > rely on press releases and other news feeds. High street magazines and the commercial computer market are in a completely different world to us and you know it. And if you're suggesting that journalism equates to sitting on your arse and waiting for the news to come to you, then I'm sorry but you're in a completely different world to me. > If a few people would take a leaf out of Colin Piggot's book and deal with > their business publicity in a professional way, as he does so well, then they > too may find they get the attention they want. But 90% of the people supporting the Spectrum and SAM aren't 'businesses' or 'professionals'. They're AMATEURS, and are therefore amateurish. They can't be blamed for that, and they shouldn't be punished - I mean, what kind of deluded fool seriously thinks it's possible to make money out of the SAM and Spectrum in this day and age? ;> But seriously, I think most magazine editors would agree with me when I say it's in a magazine's interests to make an effort to have a decent news section because it makes for a better magazine. > >Do you seriously think that people running tiny businesses, often > >neither wishing nor managing to make a profit, have the time and money to > >be sending out press releases to ten or more different SAM/Spectrum > >magazines? > > Yes. Fine, you do that then, and watch your magazine go to the wall in a few years' time when you run out of people willing to pay for a low-quality, overpriced magazine when other publications offer better value for money (yes, the free market works both ways). > >Of course, I don't have business telling you what editorial decisions you > >should be making, but the reason all this gets my goat is that Format > >reaches a huge audience compared to any of its competitors, and therefore > >has the greatest power to affect the SAM/Spectrum scene, for better or for > >worse. Letters are forever appearing in Format saying things like "There > >doesn't seem to be much happening for the SAM/Speccy any more, so I'm > >packing it in" - if people DID know what was going on, maybe our userbase > >wouldn't be trickling away at such a rate, and maybe you wouldn't have > >lost almost half your readers over the past few years. > > As I say, if we have news then we print it. We cannot go around manufacturing > news and we will not print news about products that do not exist and stand > little chance (in our opinion) of existing. I'm not suggesting that you should. In three-and-a-half years of Crashed, I've never manufactured a piece of news. Still, we've always managed to fill between one and two A4 pages with solid news, occasionally reporting on projects that don't, in the end, come off (like, ooh, the SAMClock), but more often giving information on things that people have produced for the SAM and Spectrum that our readers benefit from knowing about. Besides which, what magazine doesn't sometimes carry the odd news item on something that, in the end, never appears? Where's the harm in that? To ignore a potentially exciting development on the SAM or Speccy scene simply because it might not come off seems a very strange policy. Any readers of Crashed or Format (or any SAM/Speccy magazine) care to comment? SRD, Kl'aa-du. Heart beats up love From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 23 18:19:53 1998 X-Authentication-Warning: holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk: pyumi owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 18:15:46 +0000 (GMT) From: Mark Sturdy X-Sender: pyumi@holly To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Wop Gamma In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 208 Lines: 13 On Fri, 23 Jan 1998, Andrew Collier wrote: > Perhaps I should put all the reviews on my web page? No, I'd much rather read about your collection of Toto albums. >:-> SRD, Kl'aa-du. Heart beats up love From imc Fri Jan 23 18:33:18 1998 Subject: Re: Fred To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 18:33:18 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <199801170001.QAA19417@f140.hotmail.com> from "Colin Piggot" at Jan 16, 98 04:01:42 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 649 Lines: 14 On Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:01:42 PST, Colin Piggot said: > It has happened when talking to someone at a show and they saw > the word 'Quazar' on an advert of mine for a game (in this case it > was Money Bags 2) and thought immediately they needed the soundcard > to run the software and didn't bother reading the rest of the flyer > which explained that it worked both with or without the soundcard. > That way, if the soundcard is refered to by its proper name it keeps > everything clearer. That probably won't cure it - you needed a more interesting name than "surround sound" if you didn't want it inextricably linked with the name Quazar... imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 23 19:03:27 1998 From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Stop, stop, PLEASE STOP. Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 18:50:45 GMT Message-ID: <34d19c6e.24727164@mail.enterprise.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 359 Lines: 21 On Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:48:54 +0000 (GMT), you wrote: >On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, Simon Cooke wrote: > >> Dave Whitmore >> Anyone want a breakdown of collective work? > >Much as I like Dave...! Heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy! :-< Ooops, just noticed.. You weren't on Si's list. Awwww diddums :-) Bye, Dave Whitmore From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 23 19:03:27 1998 From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Stop, stop, PLEASE STOP. Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 18:50:47 GMT Message-ID: <34cf9ab1.24282561@mail.enterprise.net> References: <199801220542.AAA18518@smtp2.erols.com> <3.0.1.32.19980122094939.006cbcd8@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980122094939.006cbcd8@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 429 Lines: 24 On Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:49:39 -0800, you wrote: >>> Dave Whitmore >>> Anyone want a breakdown of collective work? >> >>Much as I like Dave...! > >SAM Adventure club, Dalmation BBS :) > >To name but two... >Simon > Phew! Thanks. But Phil Glover is lurking on the list too, and.. well.. Dalmation - used to be great, didnit. :) You are too kind. I'd like to share my nomination with one of our Tetras. :) Bye, Dave Whitmore From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 23 19:28:37 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980123140933.006e35b8@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:09:33 -0800 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Stop, stop, PLEASE STOP. In-Reply-To: <34cf9ab1.24282561@mail.enterprise.net> References: <3.0.1.32.19980122094939.006cbcd8@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> <199801220542.AAA18518@smtp2.erols.com> <3.0.1.32.19980122094939.006cbcd8@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 462 Lines: 14 >Phew! Thanks. But Phil Glover is lurking on the list too, and.. well.. >Dalmation - used to be great, didnit. :) *grins* You know... I think that, on the whole, there are only 4 or 5 of the major people in the SAM world who've not been on this list at one time or other. These include: Alan Miles, Bruce Gordon, Mark Hall, Adrian Parker (I think), Rob Holman, Neil Holmes, Stuart Leonardi, and Isobel (aaaahhhhh.... *happy sigh at fond memories*) ;) Simon From imc Fri Jan 23 19:32:09 1998 Subject: Re: Stop, stop, PLEASE STOP. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:32:09 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980123140933.006e35b8@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> from "Simon Cooke" at Jan 23, 98 02:09:33 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 551 Lines: 14 On Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:09:33 -0800, Simon Cooke said: > You know... I think that, on the whole, there are only 4 or 5 of the major > people in the SAM world who've not been on this list at one time or other. And then he named eight people: > These include: Alan Miles, Bruce Gordon, Mark Hall, Adrian Parker (I > think), Rob Holman, Neil Holmes, Stuart Leonardi, and Isobel (aaaahhhhh.... > *happy sigh at fond memories*) So are these people who have or haven't been on the list? If they haven't then which one's are not the major ones? :-) imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 23 19:41:09 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980123141659.006e4380@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:16:59 -0800 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Stratosphere, Kaboom! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 360 Lines: 10 Just a quick thought... any chance of either of you guys (Wayne, Colin) putting a very limited, "just so we can see what they can do" demo of these games on the web? Like, Wayne could do a 1 level demo of Kaboom!, and Colin could do a time-out version maybe? (I'm not sure of the game structure of stratosphere) Maybe, maybe not. It'd be nice though. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 23 19:41:09 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980123142237.006e2774@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:22:37 -0800 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Stop, stop, PLEASE STOP. In-Reply-To: <199801231932.TAA09939@chalca.comlab.ox.ac.uk> References: <3.0.1.32.19980123140933.006e35b8@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 872 Lines: 25 At 07:32 PM 1/23/98 +0000, you wrote: >Status: > >On Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:09:33 -0800, Simon Cooke said: >> You know... I think that, on the whole, there are only 4 or 5 of the major >> people in the SAM world who've not been on this list at one time or other. > >And then he named eight people: > >> These include: Alan Miles, Bruce Gordon, Mark Hall, Adrian Parker (I >> think), Rob Holman, Neil Holmes, Stuart Leonardi, and Isobel (aaaahhhhh.... >> *happy sigh at fond memories*) > >So are these people who have or haven't been on the list? If they haven't >then which one's are not the major ones? :-) > >imc Ummmm.... not so major ones are Rob Holman, Stuart Leonardi and Isobel, who were never all that active in the SAM community. [Isobel, if you're wondering, was a *very* nice french girl who was working as a translator at SAMCo at the time that I was]. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 23 19:49:37 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980123143139.006e2538@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:31:39 -0800 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Webring? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 826 Lines: 23 You know what you see on the web all the time these days, don't you? That's right, Web Rings. Bloody things. Getting in the way. Everyone has one. So Why Not Us? One quick install of Visual Interdev, a bit of jiggery pokery, and I should be able to set up an automated Web Ring system on the netfusion machines. (Heh! The privileges of being webmaster for your company... you get to mess around with the web servers ;)) Anyone interested in being on the ring, let me know by email to: cookie@netfusion.co.uk, and I'll put you in there. More instructions will follow when I set it up (which, at the current rate of knots that I'm doing things other than work for netFUSION, might mean in about a month, maybe 3 weeks time). (Or maybe sooner... I've just worked out the easy way to put it together). Toodli-pipski, Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 23 20:11:22 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980123145319.006e3cec@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:53:19 -0800 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Andrew Collier's Caption Competition Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 84 Lines: 7 *chortle* Nearly sprayed Coke all over the monitor here in Merkin land. :) Simon