From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 23 21:04:31 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980123154413.006e3e68@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 15:44:13 -0800 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Embarassing Photos on the Web Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 121 Lines: 9 Here's a URL for you to enjoy -=<(smirk)>=- http://www.netfusion.co.uk/cookie/samcoupe/showpics.htm *grins* Love Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 23 21:45:42 1998 Message-ID: <19980123214158.26519.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [138.251.20.14] From: Colin Piggot To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Stratosphere, Kaboom! Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:41:15 PST X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1398 Lines: 33 Simon Cooke said: >any chance of either of you guys (Wayne, Colin) putting a very >limited, "just so we can see what they can do" demo of these games >on the web? Like, Wayne could do a 1 level demo of Kaboom!, and >Colin could do a time-out version maybe? (I'm not sure of the game >structure of stratosphere) >Maybe, maybe not. It'd be nice though. I've never been happy with the idea of producing playable demos. Since October, when I released Stratosphere, I have sent watchable demos with the information and plenty of in-game screenshots to disk magazines. There's also all the info and screen shots on the info packs I produce and the press releases I send out to magazines every 3 or so months. Colin P. __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ /_ / / /_/ / / //_ /_//_//_ / /_ : Fast Mode 4 __/ / / / / / /_/__// / //_ / /_ : 3d Vector Action! +------------------------+-------------------------------+ | COLIN PIGGOT | __ ___ __ | | c_piggot@hotmail.com | /| | | | | / | | |\ | | | / | | | |__| / |__| |_\ | | QUAZAR: Hardware and | /_\| |__| | | /__ | | | \ | | Software for the Sam | | +------------------------+-------------------------------+ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 23 22:09:08 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980123163850.006e3f6c@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:38:50 -0800 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Stratosphere, Kaboom! In-Reply-To: <19980123214158.26519.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 313 Lines: 10 At 01:41 PM 1/23/98 PST, you wrote: >I've never been happy with the idea of producing playable demos. > >Since October, when I released Stratosphere, I have sent watchable >demos with the information and plenty of in-game screenshots to disk >magazines. How about putting the same demos on the web then? Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 23 22:19:36 1998 Message-ID: <19980123221617.18264.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [138.251.20.14] From: Colin Piggot To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Stratosphere, Kaboom! Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:16:16 PST X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 871 Lines: 21 Simon Cooke said: >How about putting the same demos on the web then? Well, I'm currently working on my web pages with info and screenshots... they should be up in the near future. Colin P. __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ /_ / / /_/ / / //_ /_//_//_ / /_ : Fast Mode 4 __/ / / / / / /_/__// / //_ / /_ : 3d Vector Action! +------------------------+-------------------------------+ | COLIN PIGGOT | __ ___ __ | | c_piggot@hotmail.com | /| | | | | / | | |\ | | | / | | | |__| / |__| |_\ | | QUAZAR: Hardware and | /_\| |__| | | /__ | | | \ | | Software for the Sam | | +------------------------+-------------------------------+ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 23 23:07:13 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: POSTMASTER From: c_piggot@postmaster.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <80256595.007E8AAC.00@uks.postmaster.co.uk> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 23:02:12 +0000 Subject: Mail Filters / Email Kill Files.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1278 Lines: 30 I've just talked to someone on the phone who didn't realise I was on the mailing list. I've been here since day 1 but for the last year I have been using a 'hotmail' account for my email. Well, it turns out he had 'hotmail' on his mail filter to get rid of junk email. So I thought i'd post up a message to see if anyone else has 'hotmail' on their filters... (in which case they won't have seen any of my posts over the last year!) Colin Piggot. (posted from another email account on the new uk based postmaster system) __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ /_ / / /_/ / / //_ /_//_//_ / /_ : Fast Mode 4 __/ / / / / / /_/__// / //_ / /_ : 3d Vector Action! +------------------------+-------------------------------+ | COLIN PIGGOT | __ ___ __ | | c_piggot@hotmail.com | /| | | | | / | | |\ | | | / | | | |__| / |__| |_\ | | QUAZAR: Hardware and | /_\| |__| | | /__ | | | \ | | Software for the Sam | | +------------------------+-------------------------------+ ___________________________________ If this is a spam, please report it by forwarding to spam@postmaster.co.uk. To sign up for a free email account, visit http://www.postmaster.co.uk. From imc Fri Jan 23 23:26:12 1998 Subject: Re: Mail Filters / Email Kill Files.... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 23:26:12 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <80256595.007E8AAC.00@uks.postmaster.co.uk> from "c_piggot@postmaster.co.uk" at Jan 23, 98 11:02:12 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 734 Lines: 17 On Fri, 23 Jan 1998 23:02:12 +0000, c_piggot@postmaster.co.uk said: > Well, it turns out he had 'hotmail' on his mail filter > to get rid of junk email. So I thought i'd post up a > message to see if anyone else has 'hotmail' on their > filters... It wouldn't surprise me if they did. I personally have resisted putting hotmail in any filters (including the lab-wide ones) because I know some people who use hotmail (though I don't know why, since hotmail is in a lot of people's filters...). And as you all know (ahem) I never junk mail without sending an autoreply (actually now it's a genuine mailer bounce message). Sending mail through a mailing list sometimes disguises it enough not to get junked, though not always. imc From imc Fri Jan 23 23:32:23 1998 Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 23:32:23 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <4TLufCAmELy0EwOT@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk> from "Graham Goring" at Jan 23, 98 03:03:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 198 Lines: 7 On Fri, 23 Jan 1998 15:03:02 +0000, Graham Goring said: > How many Mb is the archive standing at now, then? 23MB (uncompressed) as of June 1997. There has been about another 3MB since then. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 23 23:41:04 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980123182025.0068c8ec@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 18:20:25 -0800 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Web Ring Images Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 135 Lines: 6 Just knocked this together... it's some images for the web ring... http://www.netfusion.co.uk/cookie/webring/index.htm TTFN, C/@@kie From imc Fri Jan 23 23:59:02 1998 Subject: Re: Webring? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 23:59:02 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980123143139.006e2538@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> from "Simon Cooke" at Jan 23, 98 02:31:39 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 363 Lines: 12 On Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:31:39 -0800, Simon Cooke said: > That's right, Web Rings. > Bloody things. Getting in the way. Everyone has one. Wasn't it on comp.sys.sinclair recently that someone asked "Is there a web ring" and the general answer was "No, thank goodness. Who wants those huge useless buttons cluttering up their web page."? Or did I dream it? imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 24 00:19:21 1998 From: SparkY To: sam-users Subject: SAM C Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 23:55:53 -0000 Message-Id: <01bd285a$7060c640$0114a8c2@sparky> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 485 Lines: 10 Got SAM C out last night to start programming on it again - at which point I remembered why I stopped using it in the first place (no floats!). There was talk last year of someone putting a new C compiler together - anyone get/getting anywhere? ============================================== Email: gavin.smith@cableol.co.uk IRC: Undernet's #TheLocal (SparkY or SparkYY) #TheLocal webpage: http://www.infj.ulst.ac.uk/~ckh225 ICQ: 5099913 ============================================== From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 24 00:19:22 1998 Message-ID: <34C928B6.40D0@ndirect.co.uk> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 23:33:10 +0000 From: Nev Young Organization: ndirect X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Mail Filters / Email Kill Files.... References: <80256595.007E8AAC.00@uks.postmaster.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 775 Lines: 24 c_piggot@postmaster.co.uk wrote: > > Well, it turns out he had 'hotmail' on his mail filter > to get rid of junk email. So I thought i'd post up a > message to see if anyone else has 'hotmail' on their > filters I have hotmail killfiled but I also have c_piggot in there as 'accept' hth -- ---------------------------------------------------- | | |This site is developing self awareness | |(Oh no I'm not. cognito ergo P120-S) | |--------------------------------------------------| |Home nevilley @ ndirect.co.uk | |Work gbh3rknr @ ibmmail.com | |http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~nevilley/homepage.htm | ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 24 00:19:24 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980123185808.006dbac4@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 18:58:08 -0800 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Webring? In-Reply-To: <199801232359.XAA10467@chalca.comlab.ox.ac.uk> References: <3.0.1.32.19980123143139.006e2538@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 351 Lines: 12 At 11:59 PM 1/23/98 +0000, you wrote: >Wasn't it on comp.sys.sinclair recently that someone asked "Is there a >web ring" and the general answer was "No, thank goodness. Who wants >those huge useless buttons cluttering up their web page."? > >Or did I dream it? *lol* Well, fingers crossed, I can make it nice, small and unobtrusive. I hope. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 24 00:50:24 1998 From: SparkY To: sam-users Subject: Format and Crashed Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 00:48:30 -0000 Message-Id: <01bd2861$ca32af60$2014a8c2@sparky> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1514 Lines: 32 >I'm not suggesting that you should. In three-and-a-half years of >Crashed, I've never manufactured a piece of news. Still, we've always >managed to fill between one and two A4 pages with solid news, >occasionally reporting on projects that don't, in the end, come off >(like, ooh, the SAMClock), but more often giving information on things >that people have produced for the SAM and Spectrum that our readers >benefit from knowing about. Besides which, what magazine doesn't >sometimes carry the odd news item on something that, in the end, never >appears? Where's the harm in that? To ignore a potentially exciting >development on the SAM or Speccy scene simply because it might not >come off seems a very strange policy. > >Any readers of Crashed or Format (or any SAM/Speccy magazine) care to >comment? I've read Format for years (still not sure why to be honest), and I've also read a few issues of Crashed, and I can honestly say (and not just for the sake of being on one side or the other) that I've found out about *many* more new Sam products from Crashed than Format, and therefore I have put a lot more money into the Sam world than if I hadn't read Crashed at all. I feel really sorry for anyone that reads Format and no other magazine. 'Nuff said :) ============================================== Email: gavin.smith@cableol.co.uk IRC: Undernet's #TheLocal (SparkY or SparkYY) #TheLocal webpage: http://www.infj.ulst.ac.uk/~ckh225 ICQ: 5099913 ============================================== From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 24 02:57:08 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980123145319.006e3cec@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 02:49:29 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no, sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Andrew Collier's Caption Competition X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id CAA07894 Status: RO Content-Length: 1005 Lines: 29 At 10:53 pm +0000 23/1/98, Simon Cooke wrote: >*chortle* > >Nearly sprayed Coke all over the monitor here in Merkin land. > >:) It took you this long to find it? The caption competition's existed even while my pages were on brain.sel! Credit where credit's due though, most of the funniest comments weren't thought up by me.... was there any one quote you thought particularly funny? Oh and I'd like to thank Stefan Drissen, Bob Brenchley and Simon Cooke for getting into the embarassing poses in the first place :) Andrew --- +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ | Andrew Collier | LOKTLOKTNVS'n'0TTDS'n'3LOKTLOKTYRUAQT1YRUAT3 | | 1B NatSci at Selwyn | ICUQ4LADB4U2R1ICXp2M£UICXp4XTC | | Contact: asc25@cam.ac.uk | 1-0 1-0B9'n'RTB4IOUATUR32NV0 | | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk | ICAG#2?RSVPASAP'nIC.B2KTICQTRIP | +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ o From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 24 03:12:50 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 03:02:25 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id DAA08026 Status: RO Content-Length: 1673 Lines: 37 At 6:13 pm +0000 23/1/98, Mark Sturdy wrote: >On Fri, 23 Jan 1998, BrenchleyR wrote: >High street magazines and the commercial computer market are in a >completely different world to us and you know it. And if you're >suggesting that journalism equates to sitting on your arse and waiting >for the news to come to you, then I'm sorry but you're in a completely >different world to me. > >> If a few people would take a leaf out of Colin Piggot's book and deal with >> their business publicity in a professional way, as he does so well, then >>they >> too may find they get the attention they want. > >But 90% of the people supporting the Spectrum and SAM aren't 'businesses' >or 'professionals'. They're AMATEURS, and are therefore >amateurish. They can't be blamed for that, and they shouldn't be Seems to me that Format's news coverage is far more amateurish than the "amateur" magazines. And I feel quite safe saying that, because Bob has now chosen to sulk, and ignore everything I say. I am in his killfile, and he will not receive this message (until somebody else quotes it). And this from somebody who has called me childish - oh hang on, that was Bill wasn't it. A-ha ha ha. Andrew --- +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ | Andrew Collier | LOKTLOKTNVS'n'0TTDS'n'3LOKTLOKTYRUAQT1YRUAT3 | | 1B NatSci at Selwyn | ICUQ4LADB4U2R1ICXp2M£UICXp4XTC | | Contact: asc25@cam.ac.uk | 1-0 1-0B9'n'RTB4IOUATUR32NV0 | | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk | ICAG#2?RSVPASAP'nIC.B2KTICQTRIP | +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 24 03:12:51 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980123103749.006dc0bc@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 03:07:19 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id DAA08028 Status: RO Content-Length: 1949 Lines: 50 At 6:37 pm +0000 23/1/98, Simon Cooke wrote: >>Do you find 'high street' mags ringing round people looking for news? No. >They >>rely on press releases and other news feeds. > >Yes, actually. You'd be surprised. How many 'high street mags' have you >written for, Bob? Press releases are only one small part of the news and >story gathering process. I've written for 8 or 9 high street mags -- I >should know. But surely Bob knows all about the average high-street mag, just like he knows about the average Sam-user. Bob's average Sam-user: 1) Thinks the Sam is unquestionably the best computer in the world ever 2) Thinks Format is the best magazine in the world ever 3) Thinks Bob is the best magazine editor in the world ever 4) Believes Bob's answers to difficult technical questions 5) Believes Bob's answers to difficult political questions 6) Believes that David Ledbury runs Persona 7) Believes that Bob doesn't run Revelation 8) Believes that the Sam still has a wonderful healty market 9) Believes that the suggestion of hardware upgrades is an insult to Bruce Gordon 10) Hates stupid demo coders 11) Thinks Cookie knows nothing about the internet 12) Thinks Nev knows nothing about hardware design 13) Thinks I know nothing about programming 14) Thinks Bob knows everything about everything 15) Thinks Bob's slanders don't affect anybody else Hang about, this sounds a lot like Bill Ritman. Eeek, the average Sam-user exists after all! Or does he? Andrew --- +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ | Andrew Collier | LOKTLOKTNVS'n'0TTDS'n'3LOKTLOKTYRUAQT1YRUAT3 | | 1B NatSci at Selwyn | ICUQ4LADB4U2R1ICXp2M£UICXp4XTC | | Contact: asc25@cam.ac.uk | 1-0 1-0B9'n'RTB4IOUATUR32NV0 | | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk | ICAG#2?RSVPASAP'nIC.B2KTICQTRIP | +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ w From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 24 09:51:11 1998 Message-ID: <2kSnrHASPPy0Iw0n@idalziel.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:47:30 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Ian Dalziel Subject: Re: One comment. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.04 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 315 Lines: 14 In article , Tim Paveley writes >Your mum. > >Thank you. > >....@/ > Eh? How dare you make a comment about my mum? What's she ever done to you? She wasn't even in SAMCO... (Has anyone made the Persona Non Grata crack yet?) -- Ian Dalziel From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 24 10:43:47 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: <48c82c25.34c9c30c@aol.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 05:31:38 EST To: simon.cooke@erols.com Cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Stop, stop, PLEASE STOP. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 471 Lines: 27 In a message dated 22/01/98 05:42:22, you write: >o > >top of his head. He has done more to keep >>Sam alive than any ten others on this mailing list. > >Here's 11.- feel free to drop me from the list. > >Andrew Collier >Ian Collier >Allan Skillman >Stefan Drissen >Nev Young >Dave Whitmore >Dan Doore >Simon Cooke >David Ledbury >Martin & Maria Rookyard. > >Anyone want a breakdown of collective work? > >Simon Could be interesting if you would like to do it. Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 24 10:43:48 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 05:32:09 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1432 Lines: 35 In a message dated 22/01/98 05:43:38, you write: >o > >>>>Remember. If it wasn't for Format or FRED, this list probably wouldn't >>>>exist. >>>How do you work that out? >>Could it be that they were the only two professionally run companies around >at >>the time? (sorry, forgot SD). > >Alright... Raise yer hand if you were one of the people who voted for the >creation of comp.sys.sinclair. Now raise it again if you visited Maciej >Wolosyk's FTP site... and again if you were there when it moved to NVG... and >again if you were involved in the creation of this mailing list, and were on >it from day 1... > >I guesstimate that about 3-5 ppl on this list can claim that, and I'm one of >them. Ian is another... and Dan was in there nearish the start... Maybe Allan >Skillman too? > >So... how did FRED and Format make this possible? I mean, other than by being >bolstered in its early years by mine, Dan's, Frode's, David Gommeren's and >Ian Slavin 's (wherever you are now) contributions, Fred has nothing tp do >with this list's creation, much less FORMAT. And you'd be hard pressed to >find anyone on here who bought their-SAM later than 1992 - aka when >SAMCO/SAMTECH died. > >If you want to lay blame for it, try MGT or Sinclair Research... At a guess, would anyone be here on this list today if the likes of Bob and Colin had not done so much to help rescue Sam when first MGT, and then later Samco, went under? Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 24 10:43:49 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: <791240a5.34c9c2e0@aol.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 05:30:54 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 827 Lines: 29 In a message dated 21/01/98 22:47:57, you write: >At 5:05 pm +0000 21/1/98, BrenchleyR wrote: > >>>Why do you persist in your stupid belief that people will unquestioningly >>>accept a single word you say? >> >>Why do you think that they would accept what you say? > >I'm prepared to back up my statements with FACT. So what facts do you have for us Mr Collier? > >>I make no bones about my dislike of David Ledbury. There are things that he >>has done for which I am not yet ready to forgive let alone forget - and NO, >I >>will not be drawn into giving details: he knows, I know, that is all that >>matters. > >Yes, that's a neat way to make sure we don't point out exactly why you're >wrong. > >Oh, and ESI's addresses are in just about every demo they've written. Have I missed something? Who are ESI? > >Andrew Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 24 10:43:49 1998 From: BillRitman@aol.com Message-ID: <3b36c925.34c9c2eb@aol.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 05:31:05 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 393 Lines: 17 In a message dated 21/01/98 22:48:11, you write: >o > >At 5:05 pm +0000 21/1/98, BrenchleyR wrote: > >>No, that is why I do not lie about things :) > >I'm glad you put the smiley in, otherwise somebody somewhere might have >taken that comment seriously. > >Andrew That is just about the most funny thing I've read in a long time - keep it up and you could start working for the BBC. Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 24 10:43:49 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: <2f2ede25.34c9c2ff@aol.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 05:31:24 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1850 Lines: 44 In a message dated 22/01/98 00:55:11, you write: >-----Original Message----- >From: BillRitman > >>I was under the impression that Bob was having serious problems with the >Clock >>system and he has kept everyone informed as to what is happening. Have you >not >>had either of the letter he sent out last year? One warned that the early >>cheques were about to go over the date limit so he offered to either bank >them >>or return them if requested. The second I can't find tonight but I got it >>around October and it said that the light was at the end of the tunnel. > >No, I didn't receive either of these letters. Did anyone else receive any? >Strange then that you, sorry, Bob couldn't have answered any of my e-mails >on the subject nor any of the posts to this newsgroup about refunds. Ah! That explains it. Have you heard of killfiles? I took the trouble to phone Bob last night you see. And isn't it strange that you don't receive your Freds, your software and the letters from Format? Try taking your local postman to task. > >>>If this wasn't such a stupid statement, it would almost be funny - you >know >>>fine well there is going to be a flood of mails on this subject now - >>>haven't you learnt your lesson? >> >>Haven't you? I again ask the question of why a select few seem to have the >>knives out for one of the people we have to thank for the fact that the Sam >is >>still alive. Some people seem to bite the hand that feeds them. > >A select few? I'm sorry, but who is on Bob's side in this arguement except >himself and his alias? The only person with the knife out is Bob - we are >only trying to prevent Persona's good name from being tarnished further. Looking at the archives I can't see Persona's name being tarnished - just ignored. Bill. (Thinking he is just hitting a brick wall with this.) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 24 10:43:49 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: <6f0dad24.34c9c376@aol.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 05:33:24 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: I'm sure I'll regret posting this, but... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 725 Lines: 20 In a message dated 22/01/98 19:30:35, you write: snip >. > >I refer you to the previous posting... there are a few people who were here >on the mailing list from the start, were responsible (in part) for setting >it up and publicising it. I'm one of them. Bob Brenchley, Colin MacDonald, >etc etc only arrived later. > >Simon I think what some are saying is that now, six years after Samco went down, this mailing list would not still be here if Fred, Format and a small number of other companies had not mounted the rescue they did. IMHO that, if nothing else, if what Bob and Colin deserve credit for. They may not have started something, but they sure did more than their fair share to save it from early death. Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 24 10:43:49 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 05:33:32 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Personal email - was Re: Format and their selectivepublicitypolicy... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 600 Lines: 18 In a message dated 22/01/98 20:37:05, you write: >o > >At 5:58 pm +0000 22/1/98, BrenchleyR wrote: >>For that, it is kill-file time for him again...... *plonk* > >Why, are you embarrassed about something you said? The forward button is >regretably close to the reply button. But you'll remember I did reply to >you - not that you've shown the same courtesy. > >Andrew A poor workman always blames his tools. How long have you been using the software? How many times have you made the same mistake? Isn't it true that you re-posted a personal email just to continue your own petty argument? Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 24 10:43:50 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: <224322a4.34c9c356@aol.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 05:32:52 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 650 Lines: 22 In a message dated 22/01/98 15:33:45, you write: >o > >On Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:16:12 EST, BillRitman said: >> Speaking for myself, I find the show to be real nice. > >> Okay, I've only managed to get to two, but they were both bloody good. > >The last one was rather lacklustre, and part of the reason for this is >that Persona wasn't there. (Derek Morgan didn't show up either, and >Stefan missed out, but at least they were invited). > >imc When I spoke to Mr Morgan about some software a few weeks later he told me that his car broke down on the way which is sad as he is a very nice man to talk to. Any dates on this years shows yet? Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 24 11:45:36 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: <7463fab7.34c9d292@aol.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 06:37:52 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 696 Lines: 32 In a message dated 23/01/98 18:00:32, you write: >o > > > >> Haven't you? I again ask the question of why a select few seem to have the >> knives out for one of the people we have to thank for the fact that the Sam >is >> still alive. Some people seem to bite the hand that feeds them. >> >> Bill. >> > >Bill, are you for real? Or are you samsboss in the flesh? > >;-) > >> > >Peace, Love, Kisses... >Johnna Pig Teare >JPOL: http://www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna >"I just want my future to live up to my past..." pinch Ouch that hurt..... Yes sir, I'm real. No sir I'm not Samsboss. But having read a lot of the archives I'll do my best to keep up his tradition if I can :) Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 24 11:50:20 1998 Message-Id: <199801241145.MAA04284@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 12:44:50 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 466 Lines: 19 ---------- > Van: BillRitman > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Onderwerp: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... > Datum: Saturday, January 24, 1998 11:30 > Have I missed something? Who are ESI? You know that I have hard time believing that you don't know who ESI are. Or are you just a demo-coder hater? Ja ne -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] The borderline Express will terminate at this station :) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 24 11:57:27 1998 Message-Id: <199801241153.MAA05560@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: Personal email - was Re: Format and their selectivepublicitypolicy... Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 12:51:35 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1107 Lines: 34 > Van: BillRitman > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Onderwerp: Re: Personal email - was Re: Format and their selectivepublicitypolicy... > Datum: Saturday, January 24, 1998 11:33 > > In a message dated 22/01/98 20:37:05, you write: > > >o > > > >At 5:58 pm +0000 22/1/98, BrenchleyR wrote: > >>For that, it is kill-file time for him again...... *plonk* > > A poor workman always blames his tools. How long have you been using the > software? How many times have you made the same mistake? Isn't it true that > you re-posted a personal email just to continue your own petty argument? > > Bill. And the same goes for Bob, when we (most of us against you, bossy and bobby) had a argument about spamming and the use of Usenet and the internet as a whole, instead of sending me a personal email with his final word (wich was fine by me at that time) he had to send it to the list. Sometimes it is very usefull to shake some virtual trees to see what falls out. Ja ne -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] The borderline Express will terminate at this station :) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 24 11:57:27 1998 From: Samsboss@enterprise.net (Paul Thomas) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: I'm still here, and I see all..... Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 11:52:28 GMT Organization: Long Live Sam Message-ID: <34c9d573.4955058@mail.enterprise.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/16.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 499 Lines: 14 Hi folks, just thought you would like to know I am still alive and well. I had to drop from the list last year because an ex-friend of mine launched a mail-bomb against my account. He is now answering to the police, but the hangover still means my own email account is blocked from accepting incoming posts. I pick up most of the SAM mailing list stuff from someone's archive once a week so I still know what is going on. Promise I will be back full time one day :) Samsboss, the one, the only. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 24 13:39:17 1998 From: SparkY To: sam-users Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 13:35:00 -0000 Message-Id: <01bd28cc$dea2e9e0$0514a8c2@sparky> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1639 Lines: 43 -----Original Message----- From: BillRitman >>No, I didn't receive either of these letters. Did anyone else receive any? >>Strange then that you, sorry, Bob couldn't have answered any of my e-mails >>on the subject nor any of the posts to this newsgroup about refunds. > >Ah! That explains it. Have you heard of killfiles? I took the trouble to phone >Bob last night you see. That's good business policy - advertise your email address in your magazine, and then killfile your customers who have spent hundreds of pounds on you. >And isn't it strange that you don't receive your Freds, your software and the >letters from Format? Try taking your local postman to task. I do receive my Freds, I never said I didn't - it was only Fred 81 that got lost. And the letters from Format - surely he would have spent them *in* the envelope that Format was sent in - I've got all my Formats, and not a single letter. >>A select few? I'm sorry, but who is on Bob's side in this arguement except >>himself and his alias? The only person with the knife out is Bob - we are >>only trying to prevent Persona's good name from being tarnished further. > >Looking at the archives I can't see Persona's name being tarnished - just >ignored. *sigh* I don't know what archives you have been reading... >Bill. (Thinking he is just hitting a brick wall with this.) Gavin (wishing you would). ============================================== Email: gavin.smith@cableol.co.uk IRC: Undernet's #TheLocal (SparkY or SparkYY) #TheLocal webpage: http://www.infj.ulst.ac.uk/~ckh225 ICQ: 5099913 ============================================== From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 24 13:39:18 1998 From: SparkY To: sam-users Subject: Re: I'm still here, and I see all..... Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 13:38:13 -0000 Message-Id: <01bd28cd$51c65100$0514a8c2@sparky> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1102 Lines: 30 -----Original Message----- From: Paul Thomas > Hi folks, just thought you would like to know I am still alive and > well. > I had to drop from the list last year because an ex-friend of mine > launched a mail-bomb against my account. He is now answering to the > police, but the hangover still means my own email account is blocked > from accepting incoming posts. I pick up most of the SAM mailing list > stuff from someone's archive once a week so I still know what is going > on. > > Promise I will be back full time one day :) > > Samsboss, the one, the only. *big massive sigh* I'm getting sick of all this crap! Listen Mr. Samsboss, you obviously have a shit ISP if they haven't got your email account back in full operation by now - get a new one! Or hey, why not take one of Bob's AOL mailboxes? They seem popular enough! ============================================== Email: gavin.smith@cableol.co.uk IRC: Undernet's #TheLocal (SparkY or SparkYY) #TheLocal webpage: http://www.infj.ulst.ac.uk/~ckh225 ICQ: 5099913 ============================================== From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 24 13:43:42 1998 From: SparkY To: sam-users Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 13:41:45 -0000 Message-Id: <01bd28cd$cf9e32a0$0514a8c2@sparky> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 958 Lines: 24 -----Original Message----- From: BillRitman > pinch >Ouch that hurt..... > >Yes sir, I'm real. No sir I'm not Samsboss. But having read a lot of the >archives I'll do my best to keep up his tradition if I can :) > >Bill. Bill, my dear friend - you know why people find it hard believing you actually exist (apart from the obvious over the last week) - you haven't told us much about yourself! So, be the friendly person that I'm sure you are, and introduce yourself properly, where do you come from, when did you first get your SAM, what magazines you buy, software you buy, any programming you do etc. This way we might get to know you a bit better, and might even get to like you :) ============================================== Email: gavin.smith@cableol.co.uk IRC: Undernet's #TheLocal (SparkY or SparkYY) #TheLocal webpage: http://www.infj.ulst.ac.uk/~ckh225 ICQ: 5099913 ============================================== From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 24 14:12:41 1998 From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: I'm still here, and I see all..... Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 14:02:00 GMT Message-ID: <34ceec85.6837022@mail.enterprise.net> References: <34c9d573.4955058@mail.enterprise.net> In-Reply-To: <34c9d573.4955058@mail.enterprise.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 397 Lines: 24 On Sat, 24 Jan 1998 11:52:28 GMT, you wrote: >Hi folks, just thought you would like to know I am still alive and >well. Hi Paul Paul!?! You told me that your name was Brian! :-) >Promise I will be back full time one day :) >Samsboss, the one, the only. Not Nev, not Bob, not Bill, not Dave Whitmore - see Stewart! I don't think I ever managed to convince him. :)) Bye, Dave Whitmore From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 24 14:12:46 1998 From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 14:01:59 GMT Message-ID: <34cbe935.5988580@mail.enterprise.net> References: <7463fab7.34c9d292@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <7463fab7.34c9d292@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 258 Lines: 17 On Sat, 24 Jan 1998 06:37:52 EST, you wrote: > >Yes sir, I'm real. No sir I'm not Samsboss. But having read a lot of the >archives I'll do my best to keep up his tradition if I can :) > >Bill. Where is Brian these days? Bob, Nev??? Bye, Dave Whitmore From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 24 14:12:47 1998 From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 14:01:58 GMT Message-ID: <34cae6f1.5408486@mail.enterprise.net> References: <224322a4.34c9c356@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <224322a4.34c9c356@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 806 Lines: 26 On Sat, 24 Jan 1998 05:32:52 EST, you wrote: >>The last one was rather lacklustre, and part of the reason for this is >>that Persona wasn't there. (Derek Morgan didn't show up either, and >>Stefan missed out, but at least they were invited). >> >>imc > >When I spoke to Mr Morgan about some software a few weeks later he told me >that his car broke down on the way which is sad as he is a very nice man to >talk to. I spoke to Derek the other weekend. He's the only SAM user I know who's only machine is a SAM - now there's some dedication eh?! :) Both occasions when he tried to get down to Glos without me at the wheel ended in disaster. The first he broke down, and the second time he wrote his car off! :/ I might have a word and see if he wants a lift to the next one. :) Bye, Dave Whitmore From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 24 15:10:12 1998 From: PGLOVER43 Message-ID: <8ab33df6.34ca0163@aol.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 09:57:36 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Derek Morgan - New Game Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 652 Lines: 15 Hi, I've just read Deve Whitmore's reference to Derek Morgan. Derek is still very keen on SAM, and hasn't yet moved on to a PC. He's due to release a new text and graphic adventure called MURDER MOST FOUL. The game is written by Robyn Campbell of New Zealand, using the Sam Adventure System. Modesty forbids me from saying who has done the graphics(!) but if they seem half-way decent, then it's thanks to SAM PAINT. MURDER MOST FOUL has just been playtested, and one or two reviews may be circulated soon. If you want to know more, contact Derek and I'm sure he'll be glad to give you some information about price and release dates. Phil Glover. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 24 15:10:13 1998 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: sskardon@argonet.co.uk (Stewart Skardon) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 24 Jan 98 11:30:51 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: One comment. Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 735 Lines: 31 On Fri 23 Jan 98 (19:47:30 +0000), ian@idalziel.demon.co.uk wrote: >In article >, Tim >Paveley writes >>Your mum. >> >>Thank you. >> >>....@/ >> >Eh? How dare you make a comment about my mum? What's she ever done to >you? She wasn't even in SAMCO... > >(Has anyone made the Persona Non Grata crack yet?) Yes, and guess who it was :-) Stewart -- _ (_'tewart email : sskardon@argonet.co.uk ,_)kardon http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/stewart/ Crashed Magazine - The SAM Coupe and ZX Spectrum Magazine. Crashed WWW Site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon Crashed Email - crashed@argonet.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 24 15:49:04 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <791240a5.34c9c2e0@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 15:43:09 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id PAA14843 Status: RO Content-Length: 2933 Lines: 74 At 10:30 am +0000 24/1/98, BillRitman wrote: >>>>Why do you persist in your stupid belief that people will unquestioningly >>>>accept a single word you say? >>> >>>Why do you think that they would accept what you say? >> >>I'm prepared to back up my statements with FACT. > >So what facts do you have for us Mr Collier? Were you thinking of any particular specific topic? When I argue a point, I don't just state my case. I explain it. I justify it. Wheras Bob just tends to put his point of view across, and calls people stupid if they don't agree. You do that too. I've learned from my mistake and I didn't forward your personal message to the list, but it isn't very nice of you to say that I'm thick. >>>I make no bones about my dislike of David Ledbury. There are things that he >>>has done for which I am not yet ready to forgive let alone forget - and NO, >>I >>>will not be drawn into giving details: he knows, I know, that is all that >>>matters. >> >>Yes, that's a neat way to make sure we don't point out exactly why you're >>wrong. >> >>Oh, and ESI's addresses are in just about every demo they've written. > >Have I missed something? Who are ESI? Alright. We'll start from the beginning. ESI are a coding group who first became famous writing Spectrum demos, their debut on the Sam was called "Surprise" and was distributed on the SamCo Newsdisk (issue 1, if my memory serves me). They have since written "Out of colour" and "The Lyra 3". One of the group wrote a game, called Craft, a demo of which was released on Newsdisk issue 5. The full game was due to be released by SamCo's software wing Revelation, but shortly afterwards the company went down. Eventually, Craft was released as part of a two game pack caled Dyadic, by Phoenix Software Systems, ie David Ledbury's software company. Bob's argument appears to be that, if David had managed to get into contact with the author, he must have used inside infomation available only to those who had worked at SamCo shortly before the collapse. However, the address of the programmer was freely available to anybody, as it was contained in the scrolling messages of ESI's previous programs. So there we have it in a nutshell - one reason why Bob hates David: because David spotted something freely available to everybody before Bob noticed it. All this fuss over Craft! In Second Opinion, Dyadic got 6/10 - and it was only that high because I quite liked Snakemania.... Andrew --- +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ | Andrew Collier | LOKTLOKTNVS'n'0TTDS'n'3LOKTLOKTYRUAQT1YRUAT3 | | 1B NatSci at Selwyn | ICUQ4LADB4U2R1ICXp2M£UICXp4XTC | | Contact: asc25@cam.ac.uk | 1-0 1-0B9'n'RTB4IOUATUR32NV0 | | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk | ICAG#2?RSVPASAP'nIC.B2KTICQTRIP | +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 24 16:11:31 1998 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: sskardon@argonet.co.uk (Stewart Skardon) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 24 Jan 98 15:48:49 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Format and Crashed Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1640 Lines: 49 On Sat 24 Jan 98 (00:48:30), gavin.smith@cableol.co.uk wrote: [snip] > > >I've read Format for years (still not sure why to be honest), and I've >also read a few issues of Crashed, and I can honestly say (and not just >for the sake of being on one side or the other) that I've found out >about *many* more new Sam products from Crashed than Format, and >therefore I have put a lot more money into the Sam world than if I >hadn't read Crashed at all. I feel really sorry for anyone that reads >Format and no other magazine. 'Nuff said :) Why thank you Gavin, its nice to know that someone appreciates what we do. Hey, we may not have as many readers as FORMAT (who will have one less soon though :-) ), but I do feel that we carry some highly relevant news and articles for the SAM and Speccy. I mean, look at recent issues of FORMAT: Articles about the year 2000 crisis. What does it matter on the SAM? We don't actually have a SAM Clock do we! :-) News about 'faster internet' (October 1997) - But Bob.... we can't use the internet on a SAM or Speccy. :-) > >============================================== >Email: gavin.smith@cableol.co.uk >IRC: Undernet's #TheLocal (SparkY or SparkYY) >#TheLocal webpage: http://www.infj.ulst.ac.uk/~ckh225 >ICQ: 5099913 >============================================== > > Stewart -- _ (_'tewart email : sskardon@argonet.co.uk ,_)kardon http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/stewart/ Crashed Magazine - The SAM Coupe and ZX Spectrum Magazine. Crashed WWW Site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon Crashed Email - crashed@argonet.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 24 16:16:34 1998 From: SparkY To: sam-users Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 16:12:56 -0000 Message-Id: <01bd28e2$ee5af420$LocalHost@SPARKY> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 626 Lines: 18 -----Original Message----- From: BillRitman >>Oh, and ESI's addresses are in just about every demo they've written. > >Have I missed something? Who are ESI? >Bill. For someone who knows so much about SAM and its early days, it's a tad strange you haven't heard of ESI and anything they have done - oh hang on a moment, you're a Format reader aren't you? *grins* ============================================== Email: gavin.smith@cableol.co.uk IRC: Undernet's #TheLocal (SparkY or SparkYY) #TheLocal webpage: http://www.infj.ulst.ac.uk/~ckh225 ICQ: 5099913 ============================================== From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 24 16:34:59 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 16:28:34 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Personal email - was Re: Format and their selectivepublicitypolicy... X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id QAA15434 Status: RO Content-Length: 1251 Lines: 33 At 10:33 am +0000 24/1/98, BillRitman wrote: >>>For that, it is kill-file time for him again...... *plonk* >> >>Why, are you embarrassed about something you said? The forward button is >>regretably close to the reply button. But you'll remember I did reply to >>you - not that you've shown the same courtesy. >> >>Andrew > >A poor workman always blames his tools. How long have you been using the >software? How many times have you made the same mistake? Isn't it true that >you re-posted a personal email just to continue your own petty argument? I know, let's keep talking about how the message got to the list - and then we can all ignore the letter itself! And as for the question of Bob never replying, that thread doesn't stand a chance!! Typical ao luser. Andrew --- +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ | Andrew Collier | LOKTLOKTNVS'n'0TTDS'n'3LOKTLOKTYRUAQT1YRUAT3 | | 1B NatSci at Selwyn | ICUQ4LADB4U2R1ICXp2M£UICXp4XTC | | Contact: asc25@cam.ac.uk | 1-0 1-0B9'n'RTB4IOUATUR32NV0 | | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk | ICAG#2?RSVPASAP'nIC.B2KTICQTRIP | +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 24 16:46:21 1998 From: SparkY To: sam-users Subject: Re: Format and Crashed Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 16:38:47 -0000 Message-Id: <01bd28e6$8b0b3ac0$LocalHost@SPARKY> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1316 Lines: 33 >Why thank you Gavin, its nice to know that someone appreciates what we do. Hey, >we may not have as many readers as FORMAT (who will have one less soon though >:-) ), but I do feel that we carry some highly relevant news and articles for >the SAM and Speccy. I mean, look at recent issues of FORMAT: > >Articles about the year 2000 crisis. What does it matter on the SAM? We don't >actually have a SAM Clock do we! :-) > >News about 'faster internet' (October 1997) - But Bob.... we can't use the >internet on a SAM or Speccy. :-) >Stewart News stories about Microsoft, Internet, Amigas,Germany, Intel, Sega, Dixons, A petrol bomb attack on Oldham Trading Standards Office (?!), VAT, "Consoles V Deck Chairs"(?!)...the list goes on. Anything, it seems, to avoid covering the smaller companies and practically anything outside the cosy little Fred/Revelation (ahah!)/WCC (ahahahah!)/Format Publications group :) Oh, and I'm sure I read more than one news article about a SAM_Clock or something, or am I dreaming? Tsk! There goes Bob's policy of not covering "vapourware". ============================================== Email: gavin.smith@cableol.co.uk IRC: Undernet's #TheLocal (SparkY or SparkYY) #TheLocal webpage: http://www.infj.ulst.ac.uk/~ckh225 ICQ: 5099913 ============================================== From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 24 16:46:21 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <791240a5.34c9c2e0@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 16:39:10 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id QAA15566 Status: RO Content-Length: 1881 Lines: 40 At 3:43 pm +0000 24/1/98, Andrew Collier wrote: >>Have I missed something? Who are ESI? > >Alright. We'll start from the beginning. > >ESI are a coding group who first became famous writing Spectrum demos, >their debut on the Sam was called "Surprise" and was distributed on the >SamCo Newsdisk (issue 1, if my memory serves me). They have since written >"Out of colour" and "The Lyra 3". > >One of the group wrote a game, called Craft, a demo of which was released >on Newsdisk issue 5. The full game was due to be released by SamCo's >software wing Revelation, but shortly afterwards the company went down. > >Eventually, Craft was released as part of a two game pack caled Dyadic, by >Phoenix Software Systems, ie David Ledbury's software company. Forgot to mention, ESI also wrote Bulgulators (released by Fred, though I gather there was an earlier version called Mr. Pac, I don't know whether that dates back to SamCo days or not) and E-Tracker (also released by Fred. The author recently-ish declared this to be PD. Samsboss thought he hadn't the right to do that. Colin wished he'd been told first. Darren's views are unrecorded. I don't know where people stand legally - and nor do I care, because ProTracker2 (released by Persona) is far superior anyway.) And I think it was one of ESI's programmers wrote Ice Chicken, also released by Persona, ie Malcolm MacKenzie's software company. Andrew --- +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ | Andrew Collier | LOKTLOKTNVS'n'0TTDS'n'3LOKTLOKTYRUAQT1YRUAT3 | | 1B NatSci at Selwyn | ICUQ4LADB4U2R1ICXp2M£UICXp4XTC | | Contact: asc25@cam.ac.uk | 1-0 1-0B9'n'RTB4IOUATUR32NV0 | | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk | ICAG#2?RSVPASAP'nIC.B2KTICQTRIP | +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 24 16:46:21 1998 From: SparkY To: sam-users Subject: Re: Derek Morgan - New Game Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 16:42:41 -0000 Message-Id: <01bd28e7$16bd40e0$LocalHost@SPARKY> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1233 Lines: 35 -----Original Message----- From: PGLOVER43 >Hi, > >I've just read Deve Whitmore's reference to Derek Morgan. Derek is still very >keen on SAM, and hasn't yet moved on to a PC. He's due to release a new text >and graphic adventure called MURDER MOST FOUL. > >The game is written by Robyn Campbell of New Zealand, using the Sam Adventure >System. Modesty forbids me from saying who has done the graphics(!) but if >they seem half-way decent, then it's thanks to SAM PAINT. Sounds good - don't think I've heard of Robyn Campbell. It's nice to find out about SAM people round the world working on stuff - kind of restores your faith in the SAM a bit :) >MURDER MOST FOUL has just been playtested, and one or two reviews may be >circulated soon. If you want to know more, contact Derek and I'm sure he'll be >glad to give you some information about price and release dates. Nice one, will do. Although if you hear any official prices/release dates, let us know will you? ============================================== Email: gavin.smith@cableol.co.uk IRC: Undernet's #TheLocal (SparkY or SparkYY) #TheLocal webpage: http://www.infj.ulst.ac.uk/~ckh225 ICQ: 5099913 ============================================== From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 24 17:23:51 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 17:07:45 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id RAA16105 Status: RO Content-Length: 2066 Lines: 43 At 10:32 am +0000 24/1/98, BillRitman wrote: >>If you want to lay blame for it, try MGT or Sinclair Research... > >At a guess, would anyone be here on this list today if the likes of Bob and >Colin had not done so much to help rescue Sam when first MGT, and then later >Samco, went under? If SamCo had never existed, then it is true that I would not be on this list. I would never have bought my Sam, I would not be a sam-user. But would Colin have had much to do with the reformation of MGT into SamCo? I started buying Fred at issue six after it was mentioned in Crash magazine, and that was a few months after I bought my Sam, which was a few months after the formation of SamCo. Surely FRED wouldn't have been a big player in the Sam world at this stage? Bob was certainly around at the time - there was a flyer for INDUG with my Sam when I bought it. But I have no idea whether one could say he was central to the formation of SamCo. But as for WCC, I can honestly say that it has not affectted me one way or the other that this company was formed. I'd still be here on this list whether the Sam Elite was released or not, whether the new disk drives were available or not, whether the TwoUp was designed or not. And the forming of the new software house Revelation, despite the name being the same as SamCo's software arm, is not something which brought me to this list. Once the software has been written, somebody will release it, and - without even mentioning Phoenix or Chezron or Supplement Software or anybody else - Fred could have plugged that gap easily enough. Andrew --- +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ | Andrew Collier | LOKTLOKTNVS'n'0TTDS'n'3LOKTLOKTYRUAQT1YRUAT3 | | 1B NatSci at Selwyn | ICUQ4LADB4U2R1ICXp2M£UICXp4XTC | | Contact: asc25@cam.ac.uk | 1-0 1-0B9'n'RTB4IOUATUR32NV0 | | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk | ICAG#2?RSVPASAP'nIC.B2KTICQTRIP | +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 24 17:47:42 1998 From: PGLOVER43 Message-ID: <3b36c77b.34ca27f6@aol.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 12:42:12 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Derek Morgan - New Game Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1173 Lines: 28 If I receive any more details about MURDER MOST FOUL from Derek Morgan, I'll certainly pass them on to Sam-users. Another SAM text/graphic adventure that has been out for a short while is THE GOLDEN SWORD OF BHAKHOR. This game is published by PERSONA, so they'll have the details. BHAKHOR was written by Dennis Francombe, who wrote several Spectrum adventures. BHAKHOR was originally a Spectrum game but has been completely re- written and enlarged for SAM, with added graphics. It's Arabian in style, and plays well. ----------- On the subject of news-gathering, when I helped run the SAM ADVENTURE CLUB with Dave Whitmore, I found that tracking down news was easy. Most SAM people are only to keen to tell what they are up to, and what is happening. A few letters and a handful of phone calls soon helped us find what was happening with SAM at the time. Simply waiting for news to arrive seems unwise to me. How many people in the SAM community issue press releases? I particularly found the SAM SUPPLEMENT crowd very helpful. It's a shame Dave Tonks doesn't seem to be on-line. I'm sure he'd have a few comments to make at the moment... Best Wishes, Phil Glover. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 24 18:12:42 1998 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: sskardon@argonet.co.uk (Stewart Skardon) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sat, 24 Jan 98 17:16:35 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Revelation Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 695 Lines: 24 Am I the only one who has noticed that for the past year or so, the adverts for Revelation that are printed in every issue of FORMAT seem to carry the following phrase on them. 'More games coming soon'. Revelation obviously have a strange definition of the word soon, that's all I can say. You'd think that Bob, erm I mean Revelation would have changed it by now. :-) Stewart -- _ (_'tewart email : sskardon@argonet.co.uk ,_)kardon http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/stewart/ Crashed Magazine - The SAM Coupe and ZX Spectrum Magazine. Crashed WWW Site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon Crashed Email - crashed@argonet.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 24 18:12:43 1998 From: SparkY To: sam-users Subject: Re: Derek Morgan - New Game Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 18:08:06 -0000 Message-Id: <01bd28f3$0513f580$2b14a8c2@sparky> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1247 Lines: 37 -----Original Message----- From: PGLOVER43 >Another SAM text/graphic adventure that has been out for a short while is THE >GOLDEN SWORD OF BHAKHOR. This game is published by PERSONA, so they'll have >the details. > >BHAKHOR was written by Dennis Francombe, who wrote several Spectrum >adventures. BHAKHOR was originally a Spectrum game but has been completely re- >written and enlarged for SAM, with added graphics. It's Arabian in style, and >plays well. Yep, bought it, it's pretty good, not the best adventure I've played though, and there does seem to be a bit of a bug in the map layout - the little graphics and things are nice though, and it's got a very good atmosphere. I think it was only a fiver too. >I particularly found the SAM SUPPLEMENT crowd very helpful. It's a shame Dave >Tonks doesn't seem to be on-line. I'm sure he'd have a few comments to make at >the moment... He used to be online, had a webpage up too, but I don't think he ever joined this list. Gavin. ============================================== Email: gavin.smith@cableol.co.uk IRC: Undernet's #TheLocal (SparkY or SparkYY) #TheLocal webpage: http://www.infj.ulst.ac.uk/~ckh225 ICQ: 5099913 ============================================== From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 24 18:19:50 1998 From: SparkY To: sam-users Subject: Re: Revelation Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 18:18:09 -0000 Message-Id: <01bd28f4$6cb56380$2b14a8c2@sparky> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 948 Lines: 31 -----Original Message----- From: Stewart Skardon >Am I the only one who has noticed that for the past year or so, the adverts for >Revelation that are printed in every issue of FORMAT seem to carry the >following phrase on them. > >'More games coming soon'. > >Revelation obviously have a strange definition of the word soon, that's all I >can say. You'd think that Bob, erm I mean Revelation would have changed it by >now. :-) > >Stewart Hehe :) Like anyone else would be daft enough to give their game to them to publish - royalties ahoy! ;) You might also have noticed the WCC advert that says "Prices valid until 1st January 1997" - wonder how many SAMs Bob sold in 1997 ;) ============================================== Email: gavin.smith@cableol.co.uk IRC: Undernet's #TheLocal (SparkY or SparkYY) #TheLocal webpage: http://www.infj.ulst.ac.uk/~ckh225 ICQ: 5099913 ============================================== From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 24 19:17:21 1998 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 98 23:31:46 GMT Message-ID: <964_OASIS_@lhutz.demon.co.uk> From: James@lhutz.demon.co.uk (James R Curry) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Mailer: OASIS Post Box (Atari) v1.31E Subject: Re: And so it happens again... X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 750 Lines: 32 In E-Mail <9801221147.AA14058@asmal.edh-net> ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) wrote:- >> Anyway. Can we please lay everything to rest? > >If 'we' lay everything to rest, what would there be to fill this >list with? The syclic arguments on this list is aparently the >only thing keeping the SAM alive. ;) If people see fit to argue, it proves they still care. Long may it continue.... :-) __ James R Curry - James@lhutz.demon.co.uk "You never know when an old calendar might come in handy. Sure, it's not 1985 right now, but who knows what tomorrow will bring?" - Homer Simpson, The Simpsons. The official James R Curry web page - Very soon, I promise. Honest. Ah, come on, you believe me, don't you?! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 24 19:17:22 1998 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 98 23:33:42 GMT Message-ID: <965_OASIS_@lhutz.demon.co.uk> From: James@lhutz.demon.co.uk (James R Curry) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Mailer: OASIS Post Box (Atari) v1.31E Subject: Re: Format and their selective X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 820 Lines: 29 In E-Mail <199801221213.MAA13006@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> "Dave Hooper" <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> wrote:- >> Certainly I've bought all of Revelation's *Sam* games for the past five >> years or so (ie excluding Elite, obviously) > > >was wop gamma any good? i wanted to buy it but it was around this >time in my life i was considering a change of direction (ie from sam, >to pcs) It's not proper boulderdash, but it's a great game and has wonderfull music, too. :) __ James R Curry - James@lhutz.demon.co.uk "You never know when an old calendar might come in handy. Sure, it's not 1985 right now, but who knows what tomorrow will bring?" - Homer Simpson, The Simpsons. The official James R Curry web page - Very soon, I promise. Honest. Ah, come on, you believe me, don't you?! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 24 19:17:22 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: <23e20f83.34ca3bfa@aol.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 14:07:35 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 291 Lines: 12 In a message dated 24/01/98 11:51:12, you write: >0 > >> Have I missed something? Who are ESI? > >You know that I have hard time believing that you don't know who ESI are. >Or are you just a demo-coder hater? Ah!!! Now I know who was meant, I just missed the context. Thankingyou. Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 24 19:17:23 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: <6bf9a0c4.34ca3bff@aol.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 14:07:41 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2378 Lines: 50 In a message dated 24/01/98 13:46:43, you write: >> >>Yes sir, I'm real. No sir I'm not Samsboss. But having read a lot of the >>archives I'll do my best to keep up his tradition if I can :) >> >>Bill. > >Bill, my dear friend - you know why people find it hard believing you >actually exist (apart from the obvious over the last week) - you haven't >told us much about yourself! So, be the friendly person that I'm sure you >are, and introduce yourself properly, where do you come from, when did you >first get your SAM, what magazines you buy, software you buy, any >programming you do etc. This way we might get to know you a bit better, and >might even get to like you :) It is very nice to know that you are interested in me. My name is William Ritman (the 3rd actually). I live just outside Exeter. I'm just about to enter my 40th year, born in Plymouth and raised all over the place. I'm married, two kids 6yrs, and 14 months. At the moment I work as a quality control inspector for a large animal feeds company down here (my dad is a farmer but that was not for me - too many early mornings). I say at the moment because I'm planning on joining my brother in his business, later this year, exporting car parts to the US and Canada. I had a SAM in 1990 from MGT, but that one got lost by Parcel Force going back for repair and I did not get my second until IIRC early 1992. I've also purchased a new Elite late last year which is going very well. I've owned Spectrum since the rubber key days. I've also got a IBM 386 and, just at the moment, a Pentium which I'm looking after for my brother while he is working in the USA. I love programming in Basic, understand but don't use machine code much, learnt a couple of others in Collage but have never used them in anger. I currently read Format, Fred and Sam Sup. Have purchased a few issue of Crashed at the Gloucester shows and I got the first issue of BOAI. Also have all the Samco news-disks, an almost complete collection of ZX Computing, lots of old SUs from the early days when they were not all games. I don't play games much , Lemmings and Elite are the two I load most. I prefer to use my Sam for serious things, I am trying to write a program for keeping family tree records at the moment. The keeping is not difficult, writing the routines to build the tree is :( Now, what else can I tell you? Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 24 20:04:07 1998 Message-ID: <34CA414A.1CA5@ndirect.co.uk> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 19:30:18 +0000 From: Nev Young Organization: ndirect X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 822 Lines: 21 Andrew Collier wrote: > > So there we have it in a nutshell - one reason why Bob hates David: because > David spotted something freely available to everybody before Bob noticed > it. > Well that's consistant. The *one* reason Bob hates Windoze95[tm] is because the close window button is in the top right corner. Nev - packing his bags. -- ---------------------------------------------------- | | |This site is developing self awareness | |(Oh no I'm not. cognito ergo P120-S) | |--------------------------------------------------| |Home nevilley @ ndirect.co.uk | |Work gbh3rknr @ ibmmail.com | |http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~nevilley/homepage.htm | ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 24 20:04:07 1998 Message-ID: <34CA4349.2EEB@ndirect.co.uk> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 19:38:49 +0000 From: Nev Young Organization: ndirect X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sams users mail list Subject: So long and thanks for all the fish. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 651 Lines: 19 Well guys I'ts getting too hot for me here so I'm going to unsubscribe for a few months. If anything interesting happens maybe someone will e-mail me to let me know. -- ---------------------------------------------------- | | |This site is developing self awareness | |(Oh no I'm not. cognito ergo P120-S) | |--------------------------------------------------| |Home nevilley @ ndirect.co.uk | |Work gbh3rknr @ ibmmail.com | |http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~nevilley/homepage.htm | ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 24 20:04:09 1998 From: SparkY To: sam-users Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 20:05:11 -0000 Message-Id: <01bd2903$609414c0$3014a8c2@sparky> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 258 Lines: 8 -----Original Message----- From: BillRitman Okay, *if* all this is true I believe I owe you an apology for implying that you are Bob - maybe you could give me your phone number so I could phone you some night? :) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 24 20:55:52 1998 From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Derek Morgan - New Game Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 20:47:29 GMT Message-ID: <34cf4f2e.23597711@mail.enterprise.net> References: <01bd28f3$0513f580$2b14a8c2@sparky> In-Reply-To: <01bd28f3$0513f580$2b14a8c2@sparky> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 491 Lines: 18 On Sat, 24 Jan 1998 18:08:06 -0000, you wrote: [Dave Tonks] >He used to be online, had a webpage up too, but I don't think he ever joined >this list. I was talking to Dave a while ago and he mentioned that he'd been on the net - 'been there an' dun all that' (in his Brummie accent). He didn't seem too impressed with it at all, and he was even talking about selling his modem. I mustn't have been around at the time, but it is a pity he didn't get on the list. Bye, Dave Whitmore From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 24 20:55:52 1998 From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Derek Morgan - New Game Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 20:47:31 GMT Message-ID: <34d04f4a.23625498@mail.enterprise.net> References: <8ab33df6.34ca0163@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8ab33df6.34ca0163@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 999 Lines: 29 On Sat, 24 Jan 1998 09:57:36 EST, you wrote: Hi Phil, >The game is written by Robyn Campbell of New Zealand, using the Sam Adventure >System. Modesty forbids me from saying who has done the graphics(!) but if >they seem half-way decent, then it's thanks to SAM PAINT. Is this Robyn a gurl or a guy? Just curious. :) I'm surprised that no one seems to have used Martijn Groen's PAW conversion program in favour of SAS. It's much better IMO, and the complete technical manual is on NVG (somewhere). You could extern to nice mode 4 screens, but then I suppose that'd have to be it - press a key and back to mode 1 text. :( (this is just a feeble attempt to bait David Munden into making an appearance) >MURDER MOST FOUL has just been playtested, and one or two reviews may be >circulated soon. If you want to know more, contact Derek and I'm sure he'll be >glad to give you some information about price and release dates. Sounds like he's out to revive F9 Software. :) Bye, Dave Whitmore From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 24 21:42:47 1998 Message-Id: <199801242133.WAA12874@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: Derek Morgan - New Game Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 22:33:08 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1604 Lines: 45 > Van: Dave > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Onderwerp: Re: Derek Morgan - New Game > Datum: Saturday, January 24, 1998 9:47 > > On Sat, 24 Jan 1998 09:57:36 EST, you wrote: > > Hi Phil, > > >The game is written by Robyn Campbell of New Zealand, using the Sam Adventure > >System. Modesty forbids me from saying who has done the graphics(!) but if > >they seem half-way decent, then it's thanks to SAM PAINT. Maybe my point of view, but if you can't draw than Sampaint isn't going to help you. Sampaint just makes it much easier than all the other drawing-programs on the Sam. > Is this Robyn a gurl or a guy? Just curious. :) > > I'm surprised that no one seems to have used Martijn Groen's PAW > conversion program in favour of SAS. It's much better IMO, and the > complete technical manual is on NVG (somewhere). You could extern to > nice mode 4 screens, but then I suppose that'd have to be it - press a > key and back to mode 1 text. :( I am gonna give this one to Martijn, methinks he will like this :) > Sounds like he's out to revive F9 Software. :) Better start something serious now (No Stefan I still don't have a date for Houten), maybe we should make a game this time instead of a demo. We had some very fuzzy plans for a shoot-em up. Since the finishing of Kawaii I haven't done much actually with the Sam, I could at least make a few more slideshow like the last two that i have done. (Hands up for an 18+ disk :) Anyone) Ja ne -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] The borderline Express will terminate at this station :) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 24 22:18:59 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980124165329.006e0558@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 16:53:29 -0800 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Derek Morgan - New Game In-Reply-To: <199801242133.WAA12874@mailserv.caiw.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 475 Lines: 13 At 10:33 PM 1/24/98 +0100, you wrote: >> Sounds like he's out to revive F9 Software. :) > >Better start something serious now (No Stefan I still don't have a date for >Houten), maybe we should make a game this time instead of a demo. We had >some very fuzzy plans for a shoot-em up. Just out of interest, if anyone wants info on a technique that could be used to make a pretty good smooth-scrolling shoot-em-up, let me know. It'd require 512k -- preferable 1.5Mb :) Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 24 22:58:20 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980124171006.006f5e44@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 17:10:06 -0800 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Thanks for the memories... In-Reply-To: <971006143311_659679516@emout16.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 876 Lines: 20 Just clearing out my mailbox... At 02:38 PM 10/6/97 -0400, you wrote: >Or how about the new chestnut about who's going to do the whole Gloucester >experience - Stefan can't make it, unless he gets otherwise persuaded..., and >I guess it's too far for Si to come, but myself, Colin A and Ian Slavin are >all up for it. I do believe both Friday and Saturday night are available for >pub crawls, and the usual Colin Macdonald B&B booking agency is available to >save people paying 40 quid for a bed, eh dan?.... You know... if things go right, and my return ticket isn't open-ended*, then I'll be back on the 22nd of April... so when's the next show going to be? (Not that I'm thinking of spending the night in Gloucester and getting shit-faced... no, not at all... of course not...) Simon *So my boss can't say "we're short of money -- rearrange that ticket for December". From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 24 22:58:20 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980124173041.006e016c@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 17:30:41 -0800 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Andrew Collier's Caption Competition In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.19980123145319.006e3cec@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 798 Lines: 26 At 02:49 AM 1/24/98 +0000, you wrote: >>*chortle* >> >>Nearly sprayed Coke all over the monitor here in Merkin land. >> >>:) > >It took you this long to find it? The caption competition's existed even >while my pages were on brain.sel! > >Credit where credit's due though, most of the funniest comments weren't >thought up by me.... was there any one quote you thought particularly funny? > >Oh and I'd like to thank Stefan Drissen, Bob Brenchley and Simon Cooke for >getting into the embarassing poses in the first place :) *laughs* no problem! I think every time I'd visited before then, the link was so crap that I didn't see the animated Gif comments :) -- I'd give up before they'd finish loading. As for my fave... oooh... I dunno... I'll look again and give you my verdice then ;) Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 24 23:28:38 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980123124735.006e01c0@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> References: <199801231026.KAA05223@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> <199801221213.MAA13006@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 23:20:21 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Wop Gamma X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id XAA19497 Status: RO Content-Length: 920 Lines: 23 At 8:47 pm +0000 23/1/98, Simon Cooke wrote: >Apparently Chris White offered to rewrite the scroll routines for Colin... >Colin declined... Chris had them going about 4-8 times faster -- maybe even >more ;) It's not really the speed I object to much. More that he hasn't used any sort of page-flipping to update the screen during VBL. It takes about 5 frames to update the screen, and that gets really hard on the eyes after a while. Andrew --- +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ | Andrew Collier | LOKTLOKTNVS'n'0TTDS'n'3LOKTLOKTYRUAQT1YRUAT3 | | 1B NatSci at Selwyn | ICUQ4LADB4U2R1ICXp2M£UICXp4XTC | | Contact: asc25@cam.ac.uk | 1-0 1-0B9'n'RTB4IOUATUR32NV0 | | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk | ICAG#2?RSVPASAP'nIC.B2KTICQTRIP | +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ From imc Sat Jan 24 23:35:03 1998 Subject: Re: Wop Gamma To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 23:35:03 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: from "Andrew Collier" at Jan 24, 98 11:20:21 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 395 Lines: 10 On Sat, 24 Jan 1998 23:20:21 +0000, Andrew Collier said: > It's not really the speed I object to much. More that he hasn't used any > sort of page-flipping to update the screen during VBL. It takes about 5 > frames to update the screen, and that gets really hard on the eyes after a > while. If I remember correctly, Rockfall takes about 5 frames too, but you didn't complain about that. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 24 23:42:05 1998 From: SparkY To: sam-users Subject: Re: Derek Morgan - New Game Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 23:35:26 -0000 Message-Id: <01bd2920$bfa696a0$1a14a8c2@sparky> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 904 Lines: 24 -----Original Message----- From: Robert van der Veeke >Better start something serious now (No Stefan I still don't have a date for >Houten), maybe we should make a game this time instead of a demo. We had >some very fuzzy plans for a shoot-em up. > >Since the finishing of Kawaii I haven't done much actually with the Sam, I >could at least make a few more slideshow like the last two that i have >done. (Hands up for an 18+ disk :) Anyone) *puts both hands and every other possible limb up* :) *grins* >Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics >[rjvveeke@caiw.nl] >The borderline Express will terminate at this station :) Gavin ============================================== Email: gavin.smith@cableol.co.uk IRC: Undernet's #TheLocal (SparkY or SparkYY) #TheLocal webpage: http://www.infj.ulst.ac.uk/~ckh225 ICQ: 5099913 ============================================== From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jan 25 00:01:04 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199801242335.XAA12518@chalca.comlab.ox.ac.uk> References: from "Andrew Collier" at Jan 24, 98 11:20:21 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 23:50:03 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Wop Gamma X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id AAA20055 Status: RO Content-Length: 1451 Lines: 36 At 11:35 pm +0000 24/1/98, Ian Collier wrote: >On Sat, 24 Jan 1998 23:20:21 +0000, Andrew Collier said: >> It's not really the speed I object to much. More that he hasn't used any >> sort of page-flipping to update the screen during VBL. It takes about 5 >> frames to update the screen, and that gets really hard on the eyes after a >> while. > >If I remember correctly, Rockfall takes about 5 frames too, but you >didn't complain about that. Really that slow? I don't remember noticing it. Maybe that's something to do with the size of the jumps (Splat moved 8 pixels at a time wheras Rockfall moves 16) or that Splat's background is basically white, wheras Rockfall's is basically black. Or maybe it's psychological - Rockfall's moves when you want it to, in the direction you want it to; perhaps you don't notice flicker because you're expecting movement. Wheras Splat scrolls at regular time intervals but in a random direction. Or, as they say, something. Andrew --- +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ | Andrew Collier | LOKTLOKTNVS'n'0TTDS'n'3LOKTLOKTYRUAQT1YRUAT3 | | 1B NatSci at Selwyn | ICUQ4LADB4U2R1ICXp2M£UICXp4XTC | | Contact: asc25@cam.ac.uk | 1-0 1-0B9'n'RTB4IOUATUR32NV0 | | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk | ICAG#2?RSVPASAP'nIC.B2KTICQTRIP | +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jan 25 00:39:23 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980124191329.0068d074@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 19:13:29 -0800 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Titanic Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 188 Lines: 8 If you've not seen it yet, go see it. Twice. Or three times. It's *very* good. (And yes, I do know it only came out yesterday). ObSAM: Compare: MGT vs. The RMS Titanic. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jan 25 00:48:27 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <199801221635.QAA06573@chalca.comlab.ox.ac.uk> from "Andrew Collier" at Jan 22, 98 03:32:32 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 00:38:11 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Wop Gamma X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id AAA26119 Status: RO Content-Length: 1233 Lines: 28 At 5:33 pm +0000 22/1/98, Andrew Collier wrote: >Hey look, I was vopy-typing from the original magazine artivle, you van >expevt a few typographival errors. > >Andrew > >+----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ >| Andrew Vollier | LOKTLOKTNVS'n'0TTDS'n'3LOKTLOKTYRUAQT1YRUAT3 | >| 1B NatSvi at Selwyn | IVUQ4LADB4U2R1IVXp2M£UIVXp4XTV | >| Vontavt: asv25@vam.av.uk | 1-0 1-0B9'n'RTB4IOUATUR32NV0 | >| http://varou.sel.vam.av.uk | IVAG#2?RSVPASAP'nIV.B2KTICQTRIP | >+----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ ^ Why did nobody point out that I'd missed one? Andrew --- +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ | Andrew Collier | LOKTLOKTNVS'n'0TTDS'n'3LOKTLOKTYRUAQT1YRUAT3 | | 1B NatSci at Selwyn | ICUQ4LADB4U2R1ICXp2M£UICXp4XTC | | Contact: asc25@cam.ac.uk | 1-0 1-0B9'n'RTB4IOUATUR32NV0 | | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk | ICAG#2?RSVPASAP'nIC.B2KTICQTRIP | +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jan 25 01:11:28 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980124195201.006a36ac@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 19:52:01 -0800 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Wop Gamma In-Reply-To: References: <199801221635.QAA06573@chalca.comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id BAA26339 Status: RO Content-Length: 858 Lines: 30 At 12:38 AM 1/25/98 +0000, you wrote: >Status: > >At 5:33 pm +0000 22/1/98, Andrew Collier wrote: > >>Hey look, I was vopy-typing from the original magazine artivle, you van >>expevt a few typographival errors. >> >>Andrew >> >>+----------------------------+-------------------------------------------- --+ >>| Andrew Vollier | LOKTLOKTNVS'n'0TTDS'n'3LOKTLOKTYRUAQT1YRUAT3 | >>| 1B NatSvi at Selwyn | IVUQ4LADB4U2R1IVXp2M£UIVXp4XTV | >>| Vontavt: asv25@vam.av.uk | 1-0 1-0B9'n'RTB4IOUATUR32NV0 | >>| http://varou.sel.vam.av.uk | IVAG#2?RSVPASAP'nIV.B2KTICQTRIP | >>+----------------------------+-------------------------------------------- --+ > ^ >Why did nobody point out that I'd missed one? > >Andrew We just assumed that it was another typographical error ;) Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jan 25 05:43:20 1998 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 05:30:28 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: Webring? In-Reply-To: <199801232359.XAA10467@chalca.comlab.ox.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a <8OHKkEUpoELRXgFKFsA4hwDBr8> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 967 Lines: 27 In message <199801232359.XAA10467@chalca.comlab.ox.ac.uk>, Ian Collier writes >On Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:31:39 -0800, Simon Cooke said: >> That's right, Web Rings. > >> Bloody things. Getting in the way. Everyone has one. > >Wasn't it on comp.sys.sinclair recently that someone asked "Is there a >web ring" and the general answer was "No, thank goodness. Who wants >those huge useless buttons cluttering up their web page."? > >Or did I dream it? Nope. Great big clunky useless buttons... Graham -- /====================================================\ +--------------+ | My proverb for this week: | |This Space For| | "The less bits, the less can go wrong... | | Hire - Ideal | | Unless you wobble something important at the back" | |For Weddings &| \==Graham Goring - graham@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk==/ | Bahmitzvas | My Website, coming to a server near you - SOON +--------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jan 25 09:30:10 1998 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: sskardon@argonet.co.uk (Stewart Skardon) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 25 Jan 98 09:25:56 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Web Ring Images Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 630 Lines: 26 On Fri 23 Jan 98 (18:20:25), scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk wrote: >Just knocked this together... it's some images for the web ring... > Can't we use the proper SAM logo? I could get one. And yes, I think I'd be interested in joining it. >http://www.netfusion.co.uk/cookie/webring/index.htm > >TTFN, >C/@@kie > Stewart -- _ (_'tewart email : sskardon@argonet.co.uk ,_)kardon http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/stewart/ Crashed Magazine - The SAM Coupe and ZX Spectrum Magazine. Crashed WWW Site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon Crashed Email - crashed@argonet.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jan 25 11:02:11 1998 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 05:56:21 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801251056.FAA04968@smtp1.erols.com> X-Mailer: HandStamp Pro 1.0 Subject: Re:Re: Web Ring Images Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Simon Cooke To: sskardon@argonet.co.uk, sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 726 Lines: 18 {to Stewart} >Can't we use the proper SAM logo? I could get one. Pah! So mine's not good enough for you then is it? :) Well... Go on then - if you can get a clean version, be my guest... Even better if you can get me drafting instructions, then I can put together a vector version. {to sam-users in general} Just a thought BTW... Was looking around the web last night and found the site www.webring.org... Now... Do we want to join their scheme and all that entails, or do I code it up from scratch? Opinions, please... (I'm wondering about long-term implications here)... Simon --- Simon Cooke - sc@netfusion.co.uk Product Development Specialist / Webmaster netFUSION is now live on the web - http://www.netfusion.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jan 25 11:47:34 1998 X-Authentication-Warning: muon.mono.org: unc owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 11:44:04 +0000 (GMT) From: Tim Paveley To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Wop Gamma In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 329 Lines: 10 On Fri, 23 Jan 1998, Andrew Collier wrote: > When I have time, I'll type up the Splat review too. I gave it 6 (Fun, but > playability has suffered). > > Perhaps I should put all the reviews on my web page? If you're going to do that, I'd love the chance to have it to add to all the other reviews in the scrapbook..... ....@/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jan 25 12:35:24 1998 X-Authentication-Warning: muon.mono.org: unc owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:00:58 +0000 (GMT) From: Tim Paveley To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Format and Crashed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 825 Lines: 20 On Sat, 24 Jan 1998, Stewart Skardon wrote: > On Sat 24 Jan 98 (00:48:30), gavin.smith@cableol.co.uk wrote: > > Articles about the year 2000 crisis. What does it matter on the SAM? We don't > actually have a SAM Clock do we! :-) I have a sam clock, it isn't year 2000 compliant, but I make sure all my software which uses it is! (Or rather 1990-2089 compliant ;) > News about 'faster internet' (October 1997) - But Bob.... we can't use the > internet on a SAM or Speccy. :-) Forgive me if I'm wrong, but hasn't cookie emailed sam-users form his sam? I dunno, all these people putting the Sam's capabilities down, no wonder it folded ;) .............................................................................@/ Unc - Tim Paveley - Moderator of "The Games Room" & "Ascii Animations" http://www.mono.org/~unc/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jan 25 12:35:24 1998 X-Authentication-Warning: muon.mono.org: unc owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:11:12 +0000 (GMT) From: Tim Paveley To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Web Ring Images In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980123182025.0068c8ec@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 283 Lines: 8 On Fri, 23 Jan 1998, Simon Cooke wrote: > Just knocked this together... it's some images for the web ring... > http://www.netfusion.co.uk/cookie/webring/index.htm Personally I think the small one is still too big, but then I hate medium clunky images as well as big ones ;) ....@/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jan 25 12:35:24 1998 X-Authentication-Warning: muon.mono.org: unc owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:14:12 +0000 (GMT) From: Tim Paveley To: Sam Users Mailing List Subject: A few moans. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 382 Lines: 10 Just a few moans that don't involve the other flame wars. 1) The amount of quoting that goes on in peoples replies, must of which often isn't needed, and also makes the thing look a mess (I deleted at least half of the last 300 emails coz of this) 2) The length of peoples sigs. A one line reply and then 2 pages of sig is a tad over the top, think subtle people. Thanks ....@/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jan 25 12:35:24 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980125065348.006a1a0c@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 06:53:48 -0800 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Format and Crashed In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1049 Lines: 29 At 12:00 PM 1/25/98 +0000, you wrote: >I have a sam clock, it isn't year 2000 compliant, but I make sure all my >software which uses it is! (Or rather 1990-2089 compliant ;) *grins* Well, you know, it *should* be Y2K compliant -- apart from MasterDOS refuses to let you put "01/01/00" in as a date. We're rather fortunate actually -- the year 2000 is about the only one where you can validly get away with just letting the hardware spin on without doing extra leap-year checks. Mind you, it does mess up the range checking a bit if you want to sort on a date. >> News about 'faster internet' (October 1997) - But Bob.... we can't use the >> internet on a SAM or Speccy. :-) > >Forgive me if I'm wrong, but hasn't cookie emailed sam-users form his sam? Yep - a couple of times. Another program I have to finish some time -- unless someone else wants to do the honours? If so, I could put up the source code so far. Be warned -- it's messy. >I dunno, all these people putting the Sam's capabilities down, no wonder >it folded ;) *grins* Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jan 25 12:35:40 1998 X-Authentication-Warning: muon.mono.org: unc owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:15:26 +0000 (GMT) From: Tim Paveley To: Sam Users Mailing List Subject: Fred Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 283 Lines: 8 Great Idea. Why not everyone on this list chip in 20quid, and we can take over FRED and run it as a co-operative. I'm sure that issues would come out in no time then, and FRED would start making millions, with all the brains on this list discussing the contents in detail. ....@/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jan 25 13:13:25 1998 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: sskardon@argonet.co.uk (Stewart Skardon) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sun, 25 Jan 98 12:58:37 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Web Ring Images Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 509 Lines: 22 Hello everyone, I'm just about to upload my web ring image to the following URL for you all to look at: http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/webring/ Let me know what you think. Stewart. -- _ (_'tewart email : sskardon@argonet.co.uk ,_)kardon http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/stewart/ Crashed Magazine - The SAM Coupe and ZX Spectrum Magazine. Crashed WWW Site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon Crashed Email - crashed@argonet.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jan 25 14:24:30 1998 From: SparkY To: sam-users Subject: Re: Web Ring Images Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 14:21:39 -0000 Message-Id: <01bd299c$8d0e3f00$LocalHost@SPARKY> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 496 Lines: 25 -----Original Message----- From: Stewart Skardon To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: 25 January 1998 13:13 Subject: Re: Web Ring Images >Hello everyone, > >I'm just about to upload my web ring image to the following URL for you all to >look at: > >http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/webring/ > >Let me know what you think. > >Stewart. Not bad at all (although I think the original ones were pretty good as well). Maybe a tad smaller? Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jan 25 14:42:01 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980125092141.006a2be8@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 09:21:41 -0800 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Web Ring Images In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 814 Lines: 29 At 12:58 PM 1/25/98, you wrote: >Status: > >Hello everyone, > >I'm just about to upload my web ring image to the following URL for you all to >look at: > >http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/webring/ > >Let me know what you think. I'd prefer a cleaner, smaller one, but that's just me. What I'd really like is mine, but with the proper SAM bit at the front. I think everything else is pretty spot on with my version though. Anyway... I'm going to leave it up to the sam-users group to decide. I've just finished coding up the WebRing, by the way, if anyone's interested... (and if you are, though the pages which are up there are test pages, please go to: http://www.netfusion.co.uk/cookie/webring/webring.asp Which is where you'll find the final instructions for how to get connected up to it) Cookie From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jan 25 14:59:04 1998 Message-Id: <199801251455.OAA01897@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 14:55:32 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: E-Tunes In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 483 Lines: 9 > I was wondering, how difficult would it be to write a W95/NT compatible > E-Tune player? Because, I really miss those tunes, and although my SAM > is just behind me, hooked up and ready to go, it's too much bother uuuuhhhhhh, IIRC the saa-tsr stuff that forms an optional part of simcoupe (written by some russion blokey i think) has the ability to play e--tunes. but someone please point out to everyone what a dunce i am if i turn out to be wrong, cuz i've never tried it. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jan 25 14:59:05 1998 Message-Id: <199801251452.OAA01663@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 14:51:37 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Wop Gamma In-reply-to: <01bd2827$1eb8b920$2a14a8c2@sparky> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 326 Lines: 11 > By the way, my mates in Uni think your name sounds like an American Football > commentator - "Here with us today we have Daaaaaaaave Hoooooper" (Erm, look > its funny when you hear them say it okay? :) hehehe i actually laughed out loud! now everyone in the computer lab is staring at me thinking i'm kinda weird. dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jan 25 14:59:05 1998 Message-Id: <199801251454.OAA01833@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 14:53:58 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... In-reply-to: <00256595.003D5DF8.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 91 Lines: 6 > I may be delusional, but if it doesn't happen, I'll eat my hat. but is it a big hat? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jan 25 15:06:23 1998 Message-Id: <199801251503.PAA02371@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 15:03:15 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Web Ring Images In-reply-to: <01bd299c$8d0e3f00$LocalHost@SPARKY> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 270 Lines: 11 > http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/webring/ > http://www.netfusion.co.uk/cookie/webring/index.htm hmmm.. i think cookie's ones are better... pure blues.. mmm. but they look a bit sanitised... sortof... anyone know what i mean..? i'll have a go tonite. dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jan 25 15:15:08 1998 Message-Id: <199801251510.PAA02868@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 15:10:33 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: simcoupe X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 747 Lines: 24 about simcoupe... in win95 (osr2.1) i open up a dos box, load the saa-tsr driver thingie, and start up the emulator. everything seems to work fine (ie, it loads) and i get the 'about' box with the ok button. press ok, and it crashes... win95 reports 'this program attempted to execute an invalid instruction' simcoupe works fine without the saa-tsr driver.. and the saa-tsr driver (well, at least the sbaa.exe bit) seems to work fine on its own... and simcoupe works fine WITH the saa-tsr driver, when run from dos. odd? perhaps? i have a k6 by the way... maybe that's it? (i know of at least one other useful utility that will not run on my machine because it's not an intel... ctcm (motherboard benchmark)... it's good, get it) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jan 25 15:36:19 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: <7b0f3500.34cb5999@aol.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 10:26:15 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Titanic Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 329 Lines: 17 In a message dated 25/01/98 01:46:09, you write: >o > >If you've not seen it yet, go see it. Twice. Or three times. It's *very* >good. > >(And yes, I do know it only came out yesterday). > >ObSAM: Compare: MGT vs. The RMS Titanic. > > >Simon By that I hope that you mean MGT's fame will last for many years :) Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jan 25 15:38:55 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980125102153.006a3594@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 10:21:53 -0800 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Titanic In-Reply-To: <7b0f3500.34cb5999@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 330 Lines: 13 At 10:26 AM 1/25/98 EST, you wrote: >>ObSAM: Compare: MGT vs. The RMS Titanic. >> >By that I hope that you mean MGT's fame will last for many years :) > >Bill. Well... actually, I meant that it sunk on its maiden voyage ;) Made headlines with it too (in NCE, Crash, YS, SU.. and a few others) (MGT Plc, that is) Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jan 25 20:41:52 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980125152422.0068cd3c@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 15:24:22 -0800 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: SAM FTP Archive Index - Work in Progress Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 342 Lines: 12 As per usual, point dem browsers... this time to: http://www.netfusion.co.uk/cookie/ftpindex/default.htm Comments / reviews of the files in the archives / corrections / errors would be appreciated. If it's not linked in yet (no hyperlink on an entry) it's either something you can't download from, or I've not finished it yet. Ta, Cookie From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jan 25 20:45:24 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980125152747.006a5e44@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 15:27:47 -0800 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: SAM FTP Archive Index - Work in Progress In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980125152422.0068cd3c@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 282 Lines: 14 At 03:24 PM 1/25/98 -0800, you wrote: >Status: > >As per usual, point dem browsers... > >this time to: http://www.netfusion.co.uk/cookie/ftpindex/default.htm Actually, better make that to: http://www.netfusion.co.uk/cookie/samcoupe/ftpindex/default.htm >ahem< >cough< Cookie From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jan 25 21:16:07 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <101c5c53.34cba765@aol.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 15:58:10 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Statement after a couple of Telephone calls. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1075 Lines: 22 Just a quick note. After one telephone call last night (Thursday) and another this morning, there is one small note that I would like to make. Since some of the heated arguments last year my kill-file on emails has two resident members - any emails from the list from these two people are not even downloaded. There is currently a third person consigned to the kill-fill for reposting a private email to this list. This may explain some of the comments that have been passed on to me. I don't like to run a kill-fill (on AOL it is not the easiest thing anyway) but one person have been there since I first saw a post from him, the other since he a problem last year. Andrew Collier does not normally spend more than the 30day pre-set of the kill-file, although I must say that this time he has gone a bit too far for even him. I don't really mind arguing with him - it is so funny they way he can misunderstand or twist even the simplest of posts, I just consider it good sport at times. Anyway, this should have explained at least one or two things. Thank you. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jan 25 21:29:20 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <101c5c53.34cba765@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 21:22:42 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Statement after a couple of Telephone calls. X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id VAA06173 Status: RO Content-Length: 977 Lines: 27 At 8:58 pm +0000 25/1/98, BrenchleyR wrote: >Anyway, this should have explained at least one or two things. Thank you. Yes yes, we all know about you and your amazing killfile. I just think it's a bit sad that you're hiding away from the argument. If there's something you don't want to hear - just hide away and pretend it's not there. It doesn't work for the ostrich, and it won't work for you. Andrew NB Will somebody please reply to this and quote the whole message, for obvious reasons.... --- +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ | Andrew Collier | LOKTLOKTNVS'n'0TTDS'n'3LOKTLOKTYRUAQT1YRUAT3 | | 1B NatSci at Selwyn | ICUQ4LADB4U2R1ICXp2M£UICXp4XTC | | Contact: asc25@cam.ac.uk | 1-0 1-0B9'n'RTB4IOUATUR32NV0 | | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk | ICAG#2?RSVPASAP'nIC.B2KTICQTRIP | +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jan 25 23:15:02 1998 From: SparkY To: sam-users Subject: Re: Statement after a couple of Telephone calls. Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 23:03:53 -0000 Message-Id: <01bd29e5$81b4c7c0$2114a8c2@sparky> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1492 Lines: 34 -----Original Message----- From: BrenchleyR >This may explain some of the comments that have been passed on to me. I don't >like to run a kill-fill (on AOL it is not the easiest thing anyway) but one >person have been there since I first saw a post from him, the other since he a >problem last year. I assume this is me - and by becoming a problem, you mean that I decided I would start an unbiased SAM fanzine, that covered all companies, and was an attempt to get some of the smaller companies noticed as well as the bigger ones. God, it's a good thing you killfiled me! How dare I! >Anyway, this should have explained at least one or two things. Thank you. What - you mean not responding to my requests, firstly for info on what is happening with SAM_Clock (several emails) and then when I got sick of you not replying, I asked for my money back - is that what it explains? Bob, stop acting like a baby, stop bringing the same old crap up time after time - oh, and one other thing, I'm sure you have had no problems reading my posts to the list - I'm sure Bill let you have a copy of them ;) (Which reminds me Bill - you still haven't given me your phone number so I can say sorry that I didn't believe you existed) Gavin ============================================== Email: gavin.smith@cableol.co.uk IRC: Undernet's #TheLocal (SparkY or SparkYY) #TheLocal webpage: http://www.infj.ulst.ac.uk/~ckh225 ICQ: 5099913 ============================================== From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jan 25 23:46:36 1998 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 23:30:57 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: Web Ring Images In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980125092141.006a2be8@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a <8OHKkEUpoELRXgFKFsA4hwDBr8> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1127 Lines: 33 In message <3.0.1.32.19980125092141.006a2be8@nessie.mcc.ac.uk>, Simon Cooke writes >At 12:58 PM 1/25/98, you wrote: >>Status: >> >>Hello everyone, >> >>I'm just about to upload my web ring image to the following URL for you >all to >>look at: >> >>http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/webring/ >> >>Let me know what you think. > >I'd prefer a cleaner, smaller one, but that's just me. What I'd really like >is mine, but with the proper SAM bit at the front. I think everything else >is pretty spot on with my version though. > >Anyway... I'm going to leave it up to the sam-users group to decide. Does there HAVE to be a standadised graphic? Graham -- /====================================================\ +--------------+ | My proverb for this week: | |This Space For| | "The less bits, the less can go wrong... | | Hire - Ideal | | Unless you wobble something important at the back" | |For Weddings &| \==Graham Goring - graham@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk==/ | Bahmitzvas | My Website, coming to a server near you - SOON +--------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 26 01:07:27 1998 X-Authentication-Warning: holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk: pyumi owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 01:02:44 +0000 (GMT) From: Mark Sturdy X-Sender: pyumi@holly To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Thanks for the memories... In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980124171006.006f5e44@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 125 Lines: 5 On Sat, 24 Jan 1998, Simon Cooke wrote: So who's off to the NSSS in Wetherby on Feb 28th, then? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 26 01:10:33 1998 X-Authentication-Warning: holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk: pyumi owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 01:08:11 +0000 (GMT) From: Mark Sturdy X-Sender: pyumi@holly To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Titanic In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980125102153.006a3594@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 182 Lines: 15 On Sun, 25 Jan 1998, Simon Cooke wrote: > (MGT Plc, that is) Is that an obscure allusion to an interesting fact that I don't know? Or not? SRD, Kl'aa-du. Heart beats up love From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 26 01:15:27 1998 From: SparkY To: sam-users Subject: Re: Thanks for the memories... Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 01:14:15 -0000 Message-Id: <01bd29f7$b8679920$2114a8c2@sparky> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 653 Lines: 17 -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sturdy >On Sat, 24 Jan 1998, Simon Cooke wrote: > > > >So who's off to the NSSS in Wetherby on Feb 28th, then? If someone pays for my flight over, I'll definitely be there. :) Failing that, I'm going to try and get over to some show this year (although I suspect I haven't much chance of getting into a Gloucester show :) ============================================== Email: gavin.smith@cableol.co.uk IRC: Undernet's #TheLocal (SparkY or SparkYY) #TheLocal webpage: http://www.infj.ulst.ac.uk/~ckh225 ICQ: 5099913 ============================================== From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 26 01:31:37 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01bd29f7$b8679920$2114a8c2@sparky> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 01:24:02 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Thanks for the memories... X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id BAA14202 Status: RO Content-Length: 843 Lines: 21 At 1:14 am +0000 26/1/98, SparkY wrote: >If someone pays for my flight over, I'll definitely be there. :) Failing >that, I'm going to try and get over to some show this year (although I >suspect I haven't much chance of getting into a Gloucester show :) Forget the show, just go to the pub across the car park. Well that's what we all usually do, isn't it? Andrew --- +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ | Andrew Collier | LOKTLOKTNVS'n'0TTDS'n'3LOKTLOKTYRUAQT1YRUAT3 | | 1B NatSci at Selwyn | ICUQ4LADB4U2R1ICXp2M£UICXp4XTC | | Contact: asc25@cam.ac.uk | 1-0 1-0B9'n'RTB4IOUATUR32NV0 | | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk | ICAG#2?RSVPASAP'nIC.B2KTICQTRIP | +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 26 07:36:45 1998 X-Warning: Original message contained 8-bit characters, however during the SMTP transport session the receiving system was unable to announce capability of receiving 8-bit SMTP (RFC 1651-1653), and as this message does not have MIME headers (RFC 2045-2049) to enable encoding change, we had very little choices. X-Warning: We ASSUME it is less harmful to add the MIME headers, and convert the text to Quoted-Printable, than not to do so, and to strip the message to 7-bits.. (RFC 1428 Appendix A) X-Warning: We don't know what character set the user used, thus we had to write these MIME-headers with our local system default value. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 08:28:06 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9801260728.AA13609@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Embarassing Photos on the Web X-Sun-Charset: ISO-8859-1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id HAA18361 Status: RO Content-Length: 487 Lines: 15 > X-UID: 208 > X-Lines: 10 > > Here's a URL for you to enjoy -=<(smirk)>=- > > http://www.netfusion.co.uk/cookie/samcoupe/showpics.htm About the spelling - nice try, but not _quite_ right. ;) -Frode -- ^ Frode Tennebø | email: ft@edh.ericsson.se ^ | Ericsson Radar AS. N-1788 Halden | | | Phone: +47 69 21 41 47 | Frode@IRC | | with Standard.Disclaimer; use Standard.Disclaimer; | From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 26 08:34:34 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <13ec35e.34cc498d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 03:30:03 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 914 Lines: 26 In a message dated 23/01/98 18:00:41, you write: >o > > >> You try getting publicity in magazines if you are not prepared to >advertise, I >> know, my brother runs his own business and can't even get a mention in his >own >> local paper without the advertising department having their share. > >But can't you recognise the fact that SAM companies cannot afford to >advertise because the market is so small - a little free plug here >and there can make the difference and then, when the money comes >rolling (!) in they can return the favour by placing an advert in >Format. > >The whole thing works in cyclical fashion, but someone has to >kickstart the thing otherwise nobody gets anywhere. Somebody has kickstarted the thing. Me. Time and time again. I try to encourage new people to start up, I often give special deals to ease them into things. Try talking to people and get your facts right. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 26 08:34:34 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <5157b6de.34cc4991@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 03:30:07 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 3058 Lines: 75 In a message dated 23/01/98 18:00:50, you write: >At 08:17 AM 1/23/98 EST, you wrote: >>Which one of us provides all the services and support that INDUG does? >>Which one of us takes the /professional/ approach to his business. >>Do you find 'high street' mags ringing round people looking for news? No. >They >>rely on press releases and other news feeds. > >Yes, actually. You'd be surprised. How many 'high street mags' have you >written for, Bob? Three, Sinclair User (in its very early days) and two in South Africa in 83/84. >Press releases are only one small part of the news and >story gathering process. I've written for 8 or 9 high street mags -- I >should know. That depend on how many staff a magazine can afford. SU had 4 when I first started helping out. Today many magazines just use internet press release services and save on staff. > >>As I say, if we have news then we print it. We cannot go around >manufacturing >>news and we will not print news about products that do not exist and stand >>little chance (in our opinion) of existing. We will give help to new >projects >>where we can, I'm often asked to sound out people about new things - this I >>gladly do over the phone, where there is two-way conversation during which >>you can get instant feed-back and correct misunderstandings. > >Like the SAM ASIC upgrade idea? The one that was conceived at an All >Formats Fair, just before I got my job at YS, talked to the editor about >it, we printed the story -- after the editor phoned Bruce Gordon, who >confirmed the facts of the story -- and then West Coast / Format decided >to disavow all knowledge of it. Let us once again scotch that idea. THERE NEVER WAS AN OFFICIAL PLAN TO MAKE A NEW ASIC. I have that as a direct reply from Bruce Gordon on more than one occasion. Yes Bruce mused over the idea, yes when pressed he came up with a cost of the top of his head (a totally wrong costing at that, way below what it would have been) and boy did he suffer for it when Alan Miles saw the story in YS. Do you realise how much damage that one story did? It could well have been a factor in the demise of Samco. Now I've explained that all before. WHY do you keep dragging it up? > >Thanks a bunch, Bob, for your news-gathering abilities. 1000 SAM users, 50 >pounds each, brand new ASIC. Small price to pay. Yes, a small price to pay. People thinking of buying a new computer thought again about SAM when they found the machine could have been out of date in a few months, kept their money and saw Samco fail. Thanks Simon, a small price to pay as you say. And if you want more proof then just look at the existing ASICS, there were AT LEAST 40,000 ASICS already produced and in stock with either MGT/SAMCO or VLSI. These ASIC would have to have been used, and at least the ones in stock at VLSI paid for - BEFORE VLSI would have considered working on a new ASIC. Sorry to burst your bubble - but the idea of a new ASIC was no more than a pipe-dream which had ZERO chance of getting off the ground. > >Simon > > -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 26 09:08:33 1998 Message-ID: <4619DA3001F73000@c2gate.tcom.co.uk> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 8:28:00 +0000 From: Dan Doore Organization: * To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no (Sam Users Mailing List) Subject: RE: E-Tunes Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.30A MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 815 Lines: 28 > > I was wondering, how difficult would it be to write a W95/NT compatible > > E-Tune player? Because, I really miss those tunes, and although my SAM > > is just behind me, hooked up and ready to go, it's too much bother > > uuuuhhhhhh, IIRC the saa-tsr stuff that forms an optional part of > simcoupe (written by some russion blokey i think) has the ability to > play e--tunes. but someone please point out to everyone what a dunce > i am if i turn out to be wrong, cuz i've never tried it. Aley Keprt's the man who wrote the Tune player, although I *think* the e-tunes have to go through some pre-compilation process before they can be played on a PC. Aley lurks at: http://www.inf.upol.cz/~keprta Dan. Work: dandoore@bacg.com Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 26 09:43:32 1998 Message-ID: <6819DA3001F73000@c2gate.tcom.co.uk> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 9:12:00 +0000 From: Dan Doore Organization: * To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no (Sam Users Mailing List) Subject: RE: simcoupe Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.30A MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 672 Lines: 23 > in win95 (osr2.1) i open up a dos box, load the saa-tsr driver > thingie, and start up the emulator. > > everything seems to work fine (ie, it loads) and i get the 'about' > box with the ok button. press ok, and it crashes... win95 reports > 'this program attempted to execute an invalid instruction' Me too :( Trying it in DOS is even better, the machine locks up a treat. Weird thing is that the TSR is fine since I can load the Tune Player (even in Win95) and it works. My box is a Dell P166 with a Soundblaster 16 (urgh!) compatible built into the motherboard. Dan. Work: dandoore@bacg.com Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 26 10:25:09 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <00256598.0037BE42.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:11:15 +0000 Subject: Re: One SAM families... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 302 Lines: 12 >>>>>>>>>>> I spoke to Derek the other weekend. He's the only SAM user I know who's only machine is a SAM - now there's some dedication eh?! :) <<<<<<<<<<< I only have my SAM at home. I refuse to buy a PC.... Actually, I've just bought a Playstation so - ermm - there goes that statement... Justin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 26 10:25:10 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <00256598.0035E45F.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:07:44 +0000 Subject: Re:Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 504 Lines: 23 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Oh well, perhaps I'm wrong.. I've got a memory like a used union! ..abused? :) <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Ahem... I can't even spell my jokes properly. That should have said "I've got a memory like a used onion" Maybe an abused onion aswell! :) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So there... :) -Frode <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Okie.. okie... (But I still say I was subscribed to the list a few weeks before I left to go to Southampton, even if I didn't write anything!!) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 26 10:25:13 1998 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 9:44:00 +0000 From: Dan Doore Organization: * To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no (Sam Users Mailing List) Subject: RE: Embarassing Photos on the Web Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.30A MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 373 Lines: 19 > Here's a URL for you to enjoy -=<(smirk)>=- > > http://www.netfusion.co.uk/cookie/samcoupe/showpics.htm You are an evil man Cooke. :) For a more recent shot of my mush, in an equally nasty pose, point your browsers yonder: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/fistsof fury/ Dan. Work: dandoore@bacg.com Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 26 10:25:13 1998 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 9:51:00 +0000 From: Dan Doore Organization: * To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no (Sam Users Mailing List) Cc: nevilley@ndirect.co.uk (Nev Young) Subject: RE: SAM C Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.30A MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 790 Lines: 24 > Got SAM C out last night to start programming on it again - at which > point I remembered why I stopped using it in the first place (no floats!). > There was talk last year of someone putting a new C compiler together > - anyone get/getting anywhere? The float problem has always been my biggest stumbling block - I'd find a nice bit of C and think, "Hmm, that would be nice to port to the ol' blue footed one" and then it all goes pear shaped cos Small C cannot do the math.... As for the C compiler - wasn't there some PD compiler source that Mr Cooke had hold of, of which there was talk of it being cross-compiled on a set-up similar to Nev's HDOS development? Dan. Work: dandoore@bacg.com Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/ CC: Nev Young From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 26 11:06:45 1998 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:58:55 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9801261058.AA14805@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SAM FTP Archive Index - Work in Progress X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 307 Lines: 9 > Actually, better make that to: > > http://www.netfusion.co.uk/cookie/samcoupe/ftpindex/default.htm Nice work, Si. Now, could we all start filling it up. There is a few things in temp (aka. incoming) which nobody has told me what goes where. OK! So I haven't est up my SAM yet......shoot me. :) -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 26 11:20:26 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <00256598.003860F8.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:16:47 +0000 Subject: SAM's Super Sexy Sound System Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 3613 Lines: 105 Hi Gang, I've done it. My first contribution to the SAM World! I've managed to get SAM's sound out to the same speakers as my Quazar Surround soundcard. And it sounds very good. Here's how I did it (if you're interested, that is!)... First I bought myself a decent pair of multimedia speakers (36RMS = 18+18) for 45quid from Game shop and a cheap mixing desk for 20quid (on sale) from Tandy. These speakers had phono connections but included a lead that took an input from a stereo 3.5mm jack. I also bought two double phono flyleads and a 5pin DIN connector from Maplins. I cut off the phono plugs of one end of the one of the double phono flyleads and stripped the cable. I joined the two grounds together to create a 'common'. Then I soldered the common to the 0v pin of the DIN connector (as represented in the SAM manual), the red lead to AUDIO RIGHT and the white one to AUDIO LEFT. Put back the pieces of the DIN connector and viola, a SAM to Phono audio connector! I used the lead that came with the speakers to connect the Quazar to channels 1 and 2 on the mixer, the new SAM cable to channels 3 and 4, and the second double phono flylead from the output of the mixer. I then got out a few disks, did a few experiments, a came to the following conclusion:- It's sexy! But I think I need to expand on that so:- The sound from the SAM is a lot cleaner. Especially with the problems I had with contrasting colours and noisy sound. It didn't cut out all of the noise but I'd say at least a good 90%. Unfortunately, it's not very loud. A lot quieter than with the speakers directly connected to the Quazar Surround. With the speakers volume set to max, and the mixer's slides set to 10, it's as loud as I normally set my stereo to for comfortable listening for my tastes, so don't expect the neighbours to complain with their chandaliers collapsing. But hey! At least I now got stereo sound from the demos on my Blitz, Newsdisks, etc. And if you use the TV's speaker aswell as the Soundsystem (set BASS/Treble on the speakers so the sound is a slightly higher pitch than the TV) you get one hell of a solid sound!!! Now for the final test...... The whole reason for setting up my newly aquired sound system - Stratosphere!! :- Setting all speakers to maximum and turning off the TV's sound... I braved the possibility of losing my disk drive to a broken disk 1, I loaded it up.... Went through the options, and starting the game. For me, it definitely added something to the game where the SAM in-game sound came from the same speakers as the gorgeous Quazar Surround sound. Well, lets put it this way: I admit I was originally disappointed that sound in-game didn't come out of the Quazar Surround. But I appreciated that the game would've slowed down etc. But, all those disappointments were blown away as I thought, "WOW!!!!!" No direspect intended towards Colin P., but to tell you the truth, I couldn't really tell whether it was the Quazar (giving simple samples) or the SAMchip giving the in-game sound. In short, I could no longer tell when Quazar Surround finished and the SAMsound started... It mixed perfectly. In fact, some of the SAMsound had panning effects that I wouldn't have noticed from my telly. So. There it is. Sorry this email is quite long. I wasn't intending on making it this long. All there is for me to do now, is find out why the sound is a lot quieter than expected (I have a feeling it's the mixer!). Blitz guys (David/Gavin): Want me to write this up decently as an artical for Blitz giving more detail, part numbers and assembly instructions? Justin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 26 11:26:26 1998 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:20:02 +0000 (GMT) From: Paul Walker X-Sender: csuan@lupin To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Hello? In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980122094714.006c8d28@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Message-ID: "X-Archive: no" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 399 Lines: 10 On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, Simon Cooke wrote: > Call me an old fuddy-duddy, but I always preferred *rotlfs*... *grins* > seems more like a real word... dunno why... Can't guess that one ... rolls on the lounge floor smirking? ----- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ----- FidoNet : 2:254/60.11 2:442/103.13 ---> http://www.trak-one.co.uk/foti <--- From imc Mon Jan 26 11:40:42 1998 Subject: Re: Wop Gamma To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:40:42 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: from "Andrew Collier" at Jan 25, 98 00:38:11 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 535 Lines: 11 On Sun, 25 Jan 1998 00:38:11 +0000, Andrew Collier said: > At 5:33 pm +0000 22/1/98, Andrew Collier wrote: > >| http://varou.sel.vam.av.uk | IVAG#2?RSVPASAP'nIV.B2KTICQTRIP | > >+----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ > ^ > Why did nobody point out that I'd missed one? We got bored of your sig on about the second time you posted with it, so it isn't that surprising that we don't read it carefully after each message. imc From imc Mon Jan 26 11:42:05 1998 Subject: Re: Statement after a couple of Telephone calls. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:42:05 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <101c5c53.34cba765@aol.com> from "BrenchleyR" at Jan 25, 98 03:58:10 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 341 Lines: 9 On Sun, 25 Jan 1998 15:58:10 EST, BrenchleyR said: > my kill-file on emails has two resident members - any > emails from the list from these two people are not even downloaded. There is > currently a third person consigned to the kill-fill for reposting a private > email to this list. Oh good, a guessing game... imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 26 12:19:05 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <7c5aaf81.34cc7963@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 06:54:09 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 524 Lines: 20 In a message dated 24/01/98 20:58:53, you write: >Andrew Collier wrote: >> >> So there we have it in a nutshell - one reason why Bob hates David: because >> David spotted something freely available to everybody before Bob noticed >> it. >> >Well that's consistant. The *one* reason Bob hates Windoze95[tm] is >because the close window button is in the top right corner. Oh no its not..... But it is one of the stupid things Microsloth managed to get wrong. > >Nev - packing his bags. Bit early for Amsterdam! -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 26 12:19:05 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <5ffca701.34cc7964@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 06:54:10 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Derek Morgan - New Game Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 603 Lines: 25 In a message dated 24/01/98 20:59:06, you write: >: > > >[Dave Tonks] > >>He used to be online, had a webpage up too, but I don't think he ever joined >>this list. > >I was talking to Dave a while ago and he mentioned that he'd been on >the net - 'been there an' dun all that' (in his Brummie accent). He >didn't seem too impressed with it at all, and he was even talking >about selling his modem. I mustn't have been around at the time, but >it is a pity he didn't get on the list. > > >Bye, > >Dave Whitmore Got the same reply as well - together with complaints about the phone bill :) -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 26 12:19:06 1998 From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <444af401.34cc7966@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 06:54:12 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Format and Crashed Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 859 Lines: 29 In a message dated 25/01/98 12:38:03, you write: >o > >On Sat, 24 Jan 1998, Stewart Skardon wrote: >> On Sat 24 Jan 98 (00:48:30), gavin.smith@cableol.co.uk wrote: >> >> Articles about the year 2000 crisis. What does it matter on the SAM? We >don't >> actually have a SAM Clock do we! :-) > >I have a sam clock, it isn't year 2000 compliant, but I make sure all my >software which uses it is! (Or rather 1990-2089 compliant ;) It is 2000 compliant, it is MasterDOS that is not at the moment (but it should be only a couple of pokes). > >> News about 'faster internet' (October 1997) - But Bob.... we can't use the >> internet on a SAM or Speccy. :-) > >Forgive me if I'm wrong, but hasn't cookie emailed sam-users form his sam? > >I dunno, all these people putting the Sam's capabilities down, no wonder >it folded ;) It hasn't yet died though. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 26 12:19:07 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 06:54:05 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Derek Morgan - New Game Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 876 Lines: 24 In a message dated 24/01/98 15:11:56, you write: >Hi, > >I've just read Deve Whitmore's reference to Derek Morgan. Derek is still very >keen on SAM, and hasn't yet moved on to a PC. He's due to release a new text >and graphic adventure called MURDER MOST FOUL. > >The game is written by Robyn Campbell of New Zealand, using the Sam Adventure >System. Modesty forbids me from saying who has done the graphics(!) but if >they seem half-way decent, then it's thanks to SAM PAINT. > >MURDER MOST FOUL has just been playtested, and one or two reviews may be >circulated soon. If you want to know more, contact Derek and I'm sure he'll >be >glad to give you some information about price and release dates. > >Phil Glover. Hi Phil, you can tell Derek that his press release and copy of the game arrived here last week and it will be covered in the next issue of FORMAT. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 26 12:19:09 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <6515d601.34cc7965@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 06:54:11 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Derek Morgan - New Game Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 445 Lines: 14 In a message dated 24/01/98 21:47:24, you write: >. > >Maybe my point of view, but if you can't draw than Sampaint isn't going to >help you. Sampaint just makes it much easier than all the other >drawing-programs on the Sam. Would point out that using a computer art package does have the advantage that you can try things and undo them if its wrong. They do help to encourage people to have-a-go and to unlock the talent they have. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 26 12:19:10 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 06:54:13 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Thanks for the memories... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 296 Lines: 13 In a message dated 26/01/98 01:09:08, you write: >On Sat, 24 Jan 1998, Simon Cooke wrote: > > > >So who's off to the NSSS in Wetherby on Feb 28th, then? Sorry Mark, can't make it as the date was changed just a tad too late. Nev is away that weekend as well. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 26 12:19:12 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <2d2dc701.34cc795b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 06:54:01 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 955 Lines: 33 In a message dated 24/01/98 14:49:06, you write: >>>The last one was rather lacklustre, and part of the reason for this is >>>that Persona wasn't there. (Derek Morgan didn't show up either, and >>>Stefan missed out, but at least they were invited). >>> >>>imc >> >>When I spoke to Mr Morgan about some software a few weeks later he told me >>that his car broke down on the way which is sad as he is a very nice man to >>talk to. > >I spoke to Derek the other weekend. He's the only SAM user I know >who's only machine is a SAM - now there's some dedication eh?! :) > >Both occasions when he tried to get down to Glos without me at the >wheel ended in disaster. The first he broke down, and the second time >he wrote his car off! :/ > >I might have a word and see if he wants a lift to the next one. :) Good idea Dave, it is not quite the same without him. Show dates now fixed for 1998. 4th April and 17th October. > > >Bye, > >Dave Whitmore Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 26 12:19:14 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <20b19981.34cc7961@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 06:54:07 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Format and Crashed Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 911 Lines: 25 In a message dated 24/01/98 16:18:35, you write: >) > >Why thank you Gavin, its nice to know that someone appreciates what we do. >Hey, >we may not have as many readers as FORMAT (who will have one less soon though >:-) ), but I do feel that we carry some highly relevant news and articles for >the SAM and Speccy. I mean, look at recent issues of FORMAT: > >Articles about the year 2000 crisis. What does it matter on the SAM? We don't >actually have a SAM Clock do we! :-) Ah, so the biggest crisis since computers were invented is not of interest to SAM and Spectrum users? How stupid of me to think that SAM and Spectrum users have an interest in the REAL world. Oh dear, I'm going to have to rethink my whole way of doing things - NOT!+ > >News about 'faster internet' (October 1997) - But Bob.... we can't use the >internet on a SAM or Speccy. :-) See above, exactly the same comments apply. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 26 12:19:14 1998 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:59:32 +0000 (GMT) From: Paul Walker X-Sender: csuan@lupin To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Why? In-Reply-To: <634646C64@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Message-ID: "X-Archive: no" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 523 Lines: 12 On Fri, 23 Jan 1998, The Mad Goose wrote: > earlier on today and have not had it rerouted to me yet, i'm going to > come in tomorrow and have about 50 mails waiting for me? Ha. You're all right - I've come in after the weekend, and found that my inbox contains 256 messages (nice number, 2^something), a very big chunk of which are sam-users! ----- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ----- FidoNet : 2:254/60.11 2:442/103.13 ---> http://www.trak-one.co.uk/foti <--- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 26 12:19:16 1998 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 12:02:06 +0000 (GMT) From: Paul Walker X-Sender: csuan@lupin To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Stop, stop, PLEASE STOP. In-Reply-To: <34d19c6e.24727164@mail.enterprise.net> Message-ID: "X-Archive: no" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 524 Lines: 15 On Fri, 23 Jan 1998, Dave wrote: > > Heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy! :-< Dalmation was good, but I'm not sure it really counted as a SAM BBS, certainly not after a while. :) > Ooops, just noticed.. You weren't on Si's list. Awwww diddums :-) Heh. I don't mind - I've done nothing to *deserve* being on the list. :) ----- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ----- FidoNet : 2:254/60.11 2:442/103.13 ---> http://www.trak-one.co.uk/foti <--- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 26 12:19:16 1998 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 12:11:14 +0000 (GMT) From: Paul Walker X-Sender: csuan@lupin To: sam-users Subject: Re: SAM C In-Reply-To: <01bd285a$7060c640$0114a8c2@sparky> Message-ID: "X-Archive: no" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 863 Lines: 19 On Fri, 23 Jan 1998, SparkY wrote: > Got SAM C out last night to start programming on it again - at which point I > remembered why I stopped using it in the first place (no floats!). There was I remember why I don't use it - at least IMO, it's not very good! :) The IDE is rather unstable, the editor isn't very responsive... Actually, there's a project for someone. A decent SAM text editor that has a fast keyboard response, and no bouncing problems. The best one I've found so far has been the one in COMET! (Anyone successfully simcoupe'd comet? If so, can I have a copy of the disk archive? I do have an original copy, but my machine refuses to copy the disk for some reason.) ----- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ----- FidoNet : 2:254/60.11 2:442/103.13 ---> http://www.trak-one.co.uk/foti <--- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 26 12:24:29 1998 Message-Id: <199801261219.MAA01430@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 12:19:12 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: SAM C References: <01bd285a$7060c640$0114a8c2@sparky> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1261 Lines: 33 > Actually, there's a project for someone. A decent SAM text editor that has > a fast keyboard response, and no bouncing problems. The best one I've found > so far has been the one in COMET! i almost wrote one two years ago. then i lost a considerable number of files cuz the damned floppy disks were shafted (job lot... 50 for a tenner... about 20% of them worked ok, i'd say) i'll carry on, actually, i think. using simcoupe as my development platform. look, erm, does anyone know if i can get the technical manual (or at least some incarnation of it... i/o port bitmaps, svars and rom routines being the important considerations) for download? i could have it open in word or something, whilst running simcoupe in a window, etc, etc. another thing... can i use my standard pc to read actual sam disks? and then convert them to .dsk format or whatever it is that simcoupe uses? yeh, i know this question's probably been asked a hundred times, but i'm useless, really. dave ps - i was writing it way back when i was developing PDASM, if anyone can remember back that far... lots of discussion about CR / CRLF / LF stuff that helped even though i never got round to finishing the text editor bit... it had multiple documents, by the way... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 26 12:37:19 1998 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 12:32:26 +0000 (GMT) From: Paul Walker X-Sender: csuan@lupin To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Personal email - was Re: Format and their selectivepublicitypolicy... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "X-Archive: no" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 652 Lines: 16 On Sat, 24 Jan 1998, BillRitman wrote: > A poor workman always blames his tools. How long have you been using the > software? How many times have you made the same mistake? Isn't it true that Length of time doesn't really matter that much - I've been using Unix for a year and a bit now, and I still sometimes type ls into the irc window by mistake. > you re-posted a personal email just to continue your own petty argument? Have you stopped beating your wife yet, Bill? ----- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ----- FidoNet : 2:254/60.11 2:442/103.13 ---> http://www.trak-one.co.uk/foti <--- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 26 13:08:55 1998 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 12:55:45 +0000 (GMT) From: Paul Walker X-Sender: csuan@lupin To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no cc: sskardon@argonet.co.uk, sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re:Re: Web Ring Images In-Reply-To: <199801251056.FAA04968@smtp1.erols.com> Message-ID: "X-Archive: no" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 575 Lines: 11 On Sun, 25 Jan 1998, Simon Cooke wrote: > Was looking around the web last night and found the site www.webring.org... > Now... Do we want to join their scheme and all that entails, or do I code it up from scratch? Opinions, please... (I'm wondering about long-term implications here)... IMO at least webring.org would be better, since it doesn't rely on you working for that specific company. ;) ----- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ----- FidoNet : 2:254/60.11 2:442/103.13 ---> http://www.trak-one.co.uk/foti <--- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 26 13:08:59 1998 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 13:00:56 +0000 (GMT) From: Paul Walker X-Sender: csuan@lupin To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Fred In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "X-Archive: no" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 516 Lines: 12 On Sun, 25 Jan 1998, Tim Paveley wrote: > time then, and FRED would start making millions, with all the brains on > this list discussing the contents in detail. Ha. If the people on the mailing list tried to make a magazine, it would never get published, simply because we'd never be able to agree as to what to put /on/ the damn thing! ----- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ----- FidoNet : 2:254/60.11 2:442/103.13 ---> http://www.trak-one.co.uk/foti <--- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 26 13:37:46 1998 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 13:12:12 +0000 (GMT) From: Paul Walker X-Sender: csuan@lupin To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... In-Reply-To: <7c5aaf81.34cc7963@aol.com> Message-ID: "X-Archive: no" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 340 Lines: 10 On Mon, 26 Jan 1998, BrenchleyR wrote: > Oh no its not..... But it is one of the stupid things Microsloth managed to > get wrong. Use Linux, Bob. You'd like it. ----- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ----- FidoNet : 2:254/60.11 2:442/103.13 ---> http://www.trak-one.co.uk/foti <--- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 26 13:37:47 1998 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 13:15:59 +0000 (GMT) From: Paul Walker X-Sender: csuan@lupin To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SAM C In-Reply-To: <199801261219.MAA01430@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: "X-Archive: no" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1174 Lines: 29 On Mon, 26 Jan 1998, Dave Hooper wrote: > i almost wrote one two years ago. then i lost a considerable number > of files cuz the damned floppy disks were shafted > (job lot... 50 for a tenner... about 20% of them worked ok, i'd say) Ah. Backups are your friend.. > i'll carry on, actually, i think. using simcoupe as my development > platform. Not a bad idea. Anyone know if stuff developed on simcoupe would be able to run first time on a real sam? > look, erm, does anyone know if i can get the technical manual (or at > least some incarnation of it... i/o port bitmaps, svars and rom > routines being the important considerations) for download? i could Heh. While Bob's selling it for 13 quid or so, I suspect! > another thing... can i use my standard pc to read actual sam disks? > and then convert them to .dsk format or whatever it is that simcoupe Yep; just run a program that you can find on ... on ... wherever the docs tell you. If that doesn't work, I'll get back to you! ----- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ----- FidoNet : 2:254/60.11 2:442/103.13 ---> http://www.trak-one.co.uk/foti <--- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 26 14:58:59 1998 X-Authentication-Warning: lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk: pyumi owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:39:48 +0000 (GMT) From: Mark Sturdy X-Sender: pyumi@lily To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: One SAM families... In-Reply-To: <00256598.0037BE42.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 375 Lines: 18 On Mon, 26 Jan 1998 Justin_Skists@case.co.uk wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> > I spoke to Derek the other weekend. He's the only SAM user I know > who's only machine is a SAM - now there's some dedication eh?! :) > <<<<<<<<<<< > > I only have my SAM at home. I refuse to buy a PC.... I only have a SAM and a Speccy +2A. And I hate them both. SRD, Kl'aa-du. Heart beats up love From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 26 14:58:59 1998 X-Authentication-Warning: lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk: pyumi owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:49:21 +0000 (GMT) From: Mark Sturdy X-Sender: pyumi@lily To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Fred In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id OAA29429 Status: RO Content-Length: 470 Lines: 17 On Mon, 26 Jan 1998, Paul Walker wrote: > Ha. If the people on the mailing list tried to make a magazine, it would > never get published, simply because we'd never be able to agree as to what > to put /on/ the damn thing! Whereas if people on the mailing list were to send their rants to the magazines they read instead, the Crashed letters page (at least) would be a damn sight easier to fill. Although probably not as funny. SRD, Kl'aa-du. Heart beats up love From imc Mon Jan 26 15:34:42 1998 Subject: Re: SAM C To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 15:34:42 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: from "Paul Walker" at Jan 26, 98 12:11:14 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 577 Lines: 14 On Mon, 26 Jan 1998 12:11:14 +0000 (GMT), Paul Walker said: > I remember why I don't use it - at least IMO, it's not very good! :) The > IDE is rather unstable, the editor isn't very responsive... ^^^ Have you tried with SCSI?... (sorry) > Actually, there's a project for someone. A decent SAM text editor that has > a fast keyboard response, and no bouncing problems. The best one I've found > so far has been the one in COMET! Had there been 36 more hours in the day then I would probably have written one along the lines of FSE, and it would have been dead good. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 26 16:06:30 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980126104228.006a5ec4@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:42:28 -0800 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... In-Reply-To: <5157b6de.34cc4991@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1253 Lines: 31 At 03:30 AM 1/26/98 EST, you wrote: >THERE NEVER WAS AN OFFICIAL PLAN TO MAKE A NEW ASIC. I have that as a direct >reply from Bruce Gordon on more than one occasion. Yes Bruce mused over the >idea, yes when pressed he came up with a cost of the top of his head (a >totally wrong costing at that, way below what it would have been) and boy did >he suffer for it when Alan Miles saw the story in YS. Do you realise how much >damage that one story did? It could well have been a factor in the demise of >Samco. THAT'S A BIT FUCKING DIFFICULT WHEN SAMCO HAD ALREADY SUNK YOU FUCKING MORON! BRUCE WAS AT THE SHOW AS SAM*TECH*. >Now I've explained that all before. WHY do you keep dragging it up? BECAUSE UNLESS YOU CAN GET BRUCE GORDON HIMSELF TO CONFIRM IT, I'M GOING TO KEEP THINKING THAT YOU'RE FULL OF SHIT. >>Thanks a bunch, Bob, for your news-gathering abilities. 1000 SAM users, 50 >>pounds each, brand new ASIC. Small price to pay. > >Yes, a small price to pay. People thinking of buying a new computer thought >again about SAM when they found the machine could have been out of date in a >few months, kept their money and saw Samco fail. Thanks Simon, a small price >to pay as you say. FUCK YOU. I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH SAMCO GOING DOWN. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 26 16:06:39 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980126104515.006ac37c@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:45:15 -0800 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Publication date of YS with ASIC upgrade info. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 72 Lines: 6 6th September 1992. ------------------- Thankyou and goodnight. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 26 16:11:41 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980126105128.006a5914@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:51:28 -0800 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... In-Reply-To: <2d2dc701.34cc795b@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 173 Lines: 10 At 06:54 AM 1/26/98 EST, you wrote: >Show dates now fixed for 1998. > >4th April and 17th October. Well, looks like I ain't coming to either of them. Enjoy, folks. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 26 16:19:15 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <00256598.0058CE94.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 16:12:59 +0000 Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 443 Lines: 17 *gulps at Simon's reaction to Bob* Remind me never to get on Simon's wrong side... One thing, I wanted to pay my 50pounds but, me being a poor kid, I never had the money. I assume that there was a lot of people in that situation. Not only that, I was under the impression that it was because the reason why it never took off was because YS didn't get the 1000 responses it was hoping for.. 79, I think the number was in the end.. Justin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 26 16:19:15 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980126105658.006ae9c8@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:56:58 -0800 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: SAM World - bye bye. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 366 Lines: 14 Well, folks, I think it's about time for me to leave. I've had it. Enjoy the mailing list. You know my email address if you want it. Its been fun. No, really it has. If you want to join the webring, either email me, or start up one on webring.org. My SAM pages will stay up, but I don't know if I'll do any more work on them. It was fun while it lasted. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 26 16:19:15 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980126105846.006ac6ac@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:58:46 -0800 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Publication date of YS with ASIC upgrade info. In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980126104515.006ac37c@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 263 Lines: 14 At 10:45 AM 1/26/98 -0800, you wrote: >Status: > >6th September 1992. >------------------- > >Thankyou and goodnight. Sorry about this -- let me correct myself. Writing Deadline: 28th August (or there abouts) 1992. Publication Date: 6th OCTOBER 1992. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 26 17:04:30 1998 X-Authentication-Warning: lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk: pyumi owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 15:59:16 +0000 (GMT) From: Mark Sturdy X-Sender: pyumi@lily To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Format and Crashed Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 440 Lines: 17 Bob, Okay, let's leave it at that. Format and Crashed are two magazines with very different approaches. Of course, it goes without saying that I still think I'm completely right, and I'm sure the reverse applies for you. Sorry if any feelings were hurt during this - I realize you have the interests of your readers at heart just as much as I do, and I didn't mean things to get quite so bitter. SRD, Kl'aa-du. Heart beats up love From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 26 17:10:32 1998 Message-Id: <34CD3057.593C@cableol.co.uk> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 16:54:47 -0800 From: SparkY X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Derek Morgan - New Game References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 442 Lines: 14 BrenchleyR wrote: > Hi Phil, you can tell Derek that his press release and copy of the game > arrived here last week and it will be covered in the next issue of FORMAT. > > -- > Bob. You see guys? Moan at him long enough about something, and he takes notice (although he will deny it in public). I moaned about him not covering the Quazar Surround soundcard, and then for the next 3 or so issues there was a news item in Format! :) Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 26 20:25:52 1998 Message-Id: <34CD3520.7709@cableol.co.uk> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 17:15:12 -0800 From: SparkY X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SAM's Super Sexy Sound System References: <00256598.003860F8.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 416 Lines: 16 Justin_Skists@case.co.uk wrote: > Blitz guys (David/Gavin): Want me to write this up > decently as an artical for Blitz giving more detail, > part numbers and assembly instructions? > > Justin Nice one Justin! I'm going to have a go at myself soon. I don't know about Dave (he's the editor, I just write a crappy column that no-one reads :), but I'd certainly like to read such an article. Cheers! Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 26 20:25:52 1998 Message-Id: <34CD3655.F17@cableol.co.uk> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 17:20:21 -0800 From: SparkY X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Format and Crashed References: <20b19981.34cc7961@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 744 Lines: 18 BrenchleyR wrote: > > In a message dated 24/01/98 16:18:35, you write: > >Articles about the year 2000 crisis. What does it matter on the SAM? We don't > >actually have a SAM Clock do we! :-) > > Ah, so the biggest crisis since computers were invented is not of interest to > SAM and Spectrum users? How stupid of me to think that SAM and Spectrum users > have an interest in the REAL world. Oh dear, I'm going to have to rethink my > whole way of doing things - NOT!+ News item after news item, article after article - and it won't even affect us! As "the home of Z80 computing" (yet another display of your ego), we sort of want to read about something to do with Z80 computers! Sheesh, for once in your life admit you are wrong. Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 26 20:25:53 1998 Message-Id: <34CD3749.673D@cableol.co.uk> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 17:24:25 -0800 From: SparkY X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... References: <00256598.0058CE94.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 498 Lines: 14 Justin_Skists@case.co.uk wrote: > > *gulps at Simon's reaction to Bob* > > Remind me never to get on Simon's wrong side... He's got every right to be angry though don't you think? The worst thing possible to accuse someone of, killing the SAM, and Bob manages to do it, and yet again, with the facts saying the complete opposite. We all know what Cookie has done for the SAM, and we all appreciate it - to accuse him of that is unbelievable - Bob, you have simply gone too far this time. Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 26 20:25:55 1998 From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <613232c3.34ccc917@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 12:34:12 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: One SAM families... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 261 Lines: 14 In a message dated 26/01/98 10:12:24, you write: >< > >I only have my SAM at home. I refuse to buy a PC.... > >Actually, I've just bought a Playstation so - ermm - there goes that >statement... >Justin Ah! But a Pay-Station is not a computer is it? -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 26 20:25:55 1998 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: sskardon@argonet.co.uk (Stewart Skardon) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 26 Jan 98 18:23:07 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: One SAM families... Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 750 Lines: 38 On Mon 26 Jan 98 (12:34:12), brenchleyr@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 26/01/98 10:12:24, you write: > >>< >> >>I only have my SAM at home. I refuse to buy a PC.... >> >>Actually, I've just bought a Playstation so - ermm - there goes that >>statement... >>Justin > >Ah! But a Pay-Station is not a computer is it? > No, but it's a kind of ticket machine, often found in most Car Park's. :-) >-- >Bob. > Luv, Stewart. xxxxxx > -- _ (_'tewart email : sskardon@argonet.co.uk ,_)kardon http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/stewart/ Crashed Magazine - The SAM Coupe and ZX Spectrum Magazine. Crashed WWW Site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon Crashed Email - crashed@argonet.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 26 20:25:56 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <34CD3749.673D@cableol.co.uk> References: <00256598.0058CE94.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:25:05 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: This has gone on long enough. X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id UAA07779 Status: RO Content-Length: 1899 Lines: 39 At 1:24 am +0000 27/1/98, SparkY wrote: >He's got every right to be angry though don't you think? The worst thing >possible to accuse someone of, killing the SAM, and Bob manages to do >it, and yet again, with the facts saying the complete opposite. We all >know what Cookie has done for the SAM, and we all appreciate it - to >accuse him of that is unbelievable - Bob, you have simply gone too far >this time. Bob is causing offense and distress to various subscribers of the sam-users mailing list. He continuingly and unrepentingly makes false accusations, and may now be responsible for the departure of one (or maybe two, if this continues) of the Sam's top coders. His presence on this list is damaging the Sam community. In setting up kill-files for certain sam-users list members, Bob is attempting to remove himself from the conversation. By participating in the discussion, yet not reading his replies, Bob leaves himself free to make unfounded insults without needing to pay any attention to the consequences. He is speaking, but not listening to what other people have to say. In any polite society, this behaviour - like that of a spoilt child - is rude and uncultured. His presence on this list is damaging the Sam community. To safeguard the stability of this list and the Sam market, I move that Bob Brenchley be forcibly unsubscribed and his postings barred until full apologies are recieved. Andrew --- +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ | Andrew Collier | LOKTLOKTNVS'n'0TTDS'n'3LOKTLOKTYRUAQT1YRUAT3 | | 1B NatSci at Selwyn | ICUQ4LADB4U2R1ICXp2M£UICXp4XTC | | Contact: asc25@cam.ac.uk | 1-0 1-0B9'n'RTB4IOUATUR32NV0 | | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk | ICAG#2?RSVPASAP'nIC.B2KTICQTRIP | +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ r From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 26 20:25:57 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980126105658.006ae9c8@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:30:51 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no, Simon Cooke From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: SAM World - bye bye. X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id UAA07782 Status: RO Content-Length: 1159 Lines: 36 At 6:56 pm +0000 26/1/98, Simon Cooke wrote: >Well, folks, I think it's about time for me to leave. > >I've had it. Enjoy the mailing list. You know my email address if you want it. > >Its been fun. No, really it has. > >If you want to join the webring, either email me, or start up one on >webring.org. > >My SAM pages will stay up, but I don't know if I'll do any more work on them. > >It was fun while it lasted. > >Simon Please Simon, stick with it. Bob irritates the f*ck out of me too, but I try not to let it bother me too much. We all (anyone worth caring about, anyway) still value your contributions to the list. The Sam world will be a sadder place if you go. Andrew --- +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ | Andrew Collier | LOKTLOKTNVS'n'0TTDS'n'3LOKTLOKTYRUAQT1YRUAT3 | | 1B NatSci at Selwyn | ICUQ4LADB4U2R1ICXp2M£UICXp4XTC | | Contact: asc25@cam.ac.uk | 1-0 1-0B9'n'RTB4IOUATUR32NV0 | | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk | ICAG#2?RSVPASAP'nIC.B2KTICQTRIP | +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ w From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 26 20:25:57 1998 Message-Id: <34CD56B9.D4C@cableol.co.uk> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:38:33 -0800 From: SparkY X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SAM World - bye bye. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 812 Lines: 27 Andrew Collier wrote: > > At 6:56 pm +0000 26/1/98, Simon Cooke wrote: > >Well, folks, I think it's about time for me to leave. > > > >I've had it. Enjoy the mailing list. You know my email address if you want it. > > > >Its been fun. No, really it has. > > > >If you want to join the webring, either email me, or start up one on > >webring.org. > > > >My SAM pages will stay up, but I don't know if I'll do any more work on them. > > > >It was fun while it lasted. > > > >Simon > > Please Simon, stick with it. > Bob irritates the f*ck out of me too, but I try not to let it bother me too > much. > The only thing that keeps me sane when reading this list, is that Bob is in a minority of one, and we must remember that, and not let him get us down. Simon, don't go mate, we need you, especially now! Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 26 23:51:03 1998 From: Gouranga Message-ID: <101f32c1.34cd183a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 18:11:52 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: New SAM ASIC... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1253 Lines: 27 Colin crawls out from under his stone... Although I normally detest people sitting on the fence, I'm going to accuse you both of being wrong. And sod the lot of you if you think it's for personal reasons. Simon, whatever reasons Bob may give, the new SAM ASIC was *never* going to get anywhere. Purely from my involvement with him, I'd suspect Bruce's motives in trying to generate fifty grand, but there are only two things which sold more than 1,000 copies - Defenders and Prince. Both at under twenty quid. Both games. Both pieces of software that had a very high chance of release. The ASIC, at triple the price, would never have generated more than a couple of dozen advance sales. Even though YS got seventy-whatever people saying "yes, I'd fork out for it", in the real world, you'd be lucky to get half - maybe even a quarter. Sorry, but 1990, maybe. 1991, hmmm. 1992, no way. Bob, bang out of order with the anti-simon comments. He was trying to help the SAM scene. We had the benefit of knowing the commercial realities of the SAM community, but of all those who didn't, Simon was one of the few that made an effort. Simon, stick with the list. If nought else, come get pissed in April! Colin "see - still paying attention!" Macdonald From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 26 23:59:28 1998 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 23:54:12 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Sturdy To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SAM World - bye bye. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-X-Sender: pyumi@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 212 Lines: 8 On Mon, 26 Jan 1998, Andrew Collier wrote: > Bob irritates the f*ck out of me too, but I try not to let it bother me too > much. God, I'd hate to see the state you get in when you do let something bother you. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 27 00:19:10 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 00:10:37 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: SAM World - bye bye. X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id AAA16676 Status: RO Content-Length: 884 Lines: 29 At 7:54 am +0000 27/1/98, Mark Sturdy wrote: >On Mon, 26 Jan 1998, Andrew Collier wrote: > >> Bob irritates the f*ck out of me too, but I try not to let it bother me too >> much. > >God, I'd hate to see the state you get in when you do let something bother >you. I said I try. I didn't say I succeed. It bothers me when Bob insults my friends. And Bob has REALLY overstepped the mark this time. Andrew --- +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ | Andrew Collier | LOKTLOKTNVS'n'0TTDS'n'3LOKTLOKTYRUAQT1YRUAT3 | | 1B NatSci at Selwyn | ICUQ4LADB4U2R1ICXp2M£UICXp4XTC | | Contact: asc25@cam.ac.uk | 1-0 1-0B9'n'RTB4IOUATUR32NV0 | | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk | ICAG#2?RSVPASAP'nIC.B2KTICQTRIP | +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 27 00:19:10 1998 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 00:12:54 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Sturdy To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... In-Reply-To: <34CD3749.673D@cableol.co.uk> Message-ID: X-X-Sender: pyumi@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 180 Lines: 6 On Mon, 26 Jan 1998, SparkY wrote: > The worst thing possible to accuse someone of, killing the SAM I've accused people of far worse. And done far worse, come to think of it :) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 27 00:40:29 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5157b6de.34cc4991@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 00:30:57 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id AAA16991 Status: RO Content-Length: 2603 Lines: 72 At 8:30 am +0000 26/1/98, BrenchleyR wrote: >>Yes, actually. You'd be surprised. How many 'high street mags' have you >>written for, Bob? > >Three, Sinclair User (in its very early days) and two in South Africa in >83/84. > >>Press releases are only one small part of the news and >>story gathering process. I've written for 8 or 9 high street mags -- I >>should know. > >That depend on how many staff a magazine can afford. SU had 4 when I first >started helping out. > >Today many magazines just use internet press release services and save on >staff. If that's what they do *today*, why are you using your experiences from 1984 to back it up? It's like your "I've been computing for twenty years" line. Skills from 1978 are not relavent to the Sam! Just for once in your life, can't you just admit that somebody else knows more about this subject than you do? >THERE NEVER WAS AN OFFICIAL PLAN TO MAKE A NEW ASIC. I have that as a direct >reply from Bruce Gordon on more than one occasion. Yes Bruce mused over the >idea, yes when pressed he came up with a cost of the top of his head (a >totally wrong costing at that, way below what it would have been) and boy did Good grief, now you think you know more about electronics than Bruce Gordon. >he suffer for it when Alan Miles saw the story in YS. Do you realise how much And you saw this first-hand, did you? Or are you just embellishing your story so it sounds more convincing? >damage that one story did? It could well have been a factor in the demise of >Samco. What are you saying?! Did he send the article back in time?? I remember reading it, and I only started buying YS *after* SamCo had gone down. Quite apart from the historical evidence which proves that you are talking absolute rubbish, you are basically calling Simon Cooke a liar. You have insulted one of the Sam personalities whom I hold in greatest respect. You are totally out of line. How far down are you going to stoop Bob? When are you going to killfile Simon? If you're going to ignore everyone who doesn't like you, it's probably easier just to unsubscribe from the list. Andrew --- +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ | Andrew Collier | LOKTLOKTNVS'n'0TTDS'n'3LOKTLOKTYRUAQT1YRUAT3 | | 1B NatSci at Selwyn | ICUQ4LADB4U2R1ICXp2M£UICXp4XTC | | Contact: asc25@cam.ac.uk | 1-0 1-0B9'n'RTB4IOUATUR32NV0 | | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk | ICAG#2?RSVPASAP'nIC.B2KTICQTRIP | +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 27 00:40:29 1998 From: SparkY To: sam-users Subject: Re: New SAM ASIC... Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 00:34:46 -0000 Message-Id: <01bd2abb$5e8705c0$2b14a8c2@sparky> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1361 Lines: 34 -----Original Message----- From: Gouranga >Simon, whatever reasons Bob may give, the new SAM ASIC was *never* going to >get anywhere. Purely from my involvement with him, I'd suspect Bruce's motives >in trying to generate fifty grand, but there are only two things which sold >more than 1,000 copies - Defenders and Prince. Both at under twenty quid. Both >games. Both pieces of software that had a very high chance of release. The >ASIC, at triple the price, would never have generated more than a couple of >dozen advance sales. Even though YS got seventy-whatever people saying "yes, >I'd fork out for it", in the real world, you'd be lucky to get half - maybe >even a quarter. Sorry, but 1990, maybe. 1991, hmmm. 1992, no way. Perhaps you are right, you probably are, but just maybe if everyone thought like that we wouldn't have a SAM at all. It's all very well to talk with hind sight now, but the whole arguement of whether the ASIC was viable or not, isn't the point here. >Simon, stick with the list. If nought else, come get pissed in April! Sounds like a drinking challenge Simon ;) ============================================== Email: gavin.smith@cableol.co.uk IRC: Undernet's #TheLocal (SparkY or SparkYY) #TheLocal webpage: http://www.infj.ulst.ac.uk/~ckh225 ICQ: 5099913 ============================================== From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 27 09:59:57 1998 From: Maria Rookyard To: SAM Users Mailing List Cc: Simon Lee Cooke Subject: a reminder Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:42:14 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 393 Lines: 19 Maybe certain people ought to remember: 1. A certain person on this list knows a lot more about magazines than *some* people round here. 2. He also knows a lot more about computers/programming than some. 3. He's a damn sight nicer and more trustworthy too. I think everyone know's who I'm talking about here :) And it's nice to see so many people sticking up for him. Maria. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 27 10:43:15 1998 Message-Id: <199801271017.KAA27850@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:17:26 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... In-reply-to: <3.0.1.32.19980126104228.006a5ec4@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> References: <5157b6de.34cc4991@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 483 Lines: 17 > THAT'S A BIT FUCKING DIFFICULT WHEN SAMCO HAD ALREADY SUNK YOU FUCKING MORON! > > BRUCE WAS AT THE SHOW AS SAM*TECH*. > BECAUSE UNLESS YOU CAN GET BRUCE GORDON HIMSELF TO CONFIRM IT, I'M GOING TO > KEEP THINKING THAT YOU'RE FULL OF SHIT. > FUCK YOU. I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH SAMCO GOING DOWN. this is an amazing email. i think that's put Bob in his place. look, can i unssub please? i've tried, but it keeps saying i don't exist. whoever runs this can remove me, ta. dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 27 10:43:15 1998 Message-Id: <199801271033.KAA01222@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:32:35 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: SAM C References: <199801261219.MAA01430@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1274 Lines: 38 > Ah. Backups are your friend.. ... not when the disk you backed them up onto is also shafted... lesson learned i think... buy branded disks... > > another thing... can i use my standard pc to read actual sam disks? > > and then convert them to .dsk format or whatever it is that simcoupe yeh, sorry about that. seems i asked completely the wrong question. dunno what i was thinking about. i think what i meant to say was: can i use simcoupe to create an empty .dsk file, or create a .dsk file containing copies of files (stored on my harddrive... binary and text files...)? and can i download an empty .dsk file from anywhere? especially a .dsk file with the DOS stored on it? cuz until then, i can't really use simcoupe! (no means to save, or load, etc) here's a couple of ideas for the next version of simcoupe: 1) emulated sound (#FE) port using PC speaker and/or soundcard lineout (or similar), and emulated #FE port input using linein (or similar) 2) ability to save, load snapshots then, i could use (1) to save, load to tape, or (2) to save a work-in-progress snapshot. also, i could use (1) to listen to ZAP:POW:ZOOM (a hit single) and the funny keyboard click in spectrum mode is allan skillman still on the list? what's his email addy? dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 27 11:47:06 1998 From: Paul Walker Message-Id: <199801271136.LAA18236@lupin.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: SAM World - bye bye. In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980126105658.006ae9c8@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> from Simon Cooke at "Jan 26, 98 10:56:58 am" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:36:03 +0000 (GMT) X-Approved: bill@whitehouse.gov X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 280 Lines: 11 > I've had it. Enjoy the mailing list. You know my email address if you want it. Oi! Cookie! NOOOO! Don't you /dare/ leave us to the mercies of Bob now! (This is going on the list because, since you never answer my emails, I don't know if you actually get them or not.) Paul From imc Tue Jan 27 12:20:42 1998 Subject: Re: SAM C To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:20:42 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <199801271033.KAA01222@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> from "Dave Hooper" at Jan 27, 98 10:32:35 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 661 Lines: 18 On Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:32:35 +0000, Dave Hooper said: > can i use simcoupe to create an empty .dsk file, or create a .dsk An empty .dsk file is merely an 819200-byte long file full of zeros. Shouldn't be too hard to make yourself, especially if you have a Unix box handy. > file containing copies of files (stored on my harddrive... binary and I seem to remember Allan was talking about adapting "samtools" to work in conjunction with SimCoupe on the PC, which would lalow this. > and can i download an empty .dsk file from anywhere? > especially a .dsk file with the DOS stored on it? If you are really stuck I could send you one. imc From imc Tue Jan 27 12:21:25 1998 Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:21:25 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <199801271017.KAA27850@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> from "Dave Hooper" at Jan 27, 98 10:17:26 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 109 Lines: 6 On Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:17:26 +0000, Dave Hooper said: > look, can i unssub please? No, you can't. :-) imc From imc Tue Jan 27 12:22:11 1998 Subject: Re: a reminder To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:22:11 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: from "Maria Rookyard" at Jan 27, 98 09:42:14 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 402 Lines: 13 On Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:42:14 -0000, Maria Rookyard said: > 1. A certain person on this list knows a lot more about magazines than > *some* people round here. > 2. He also knows a lot more about computers/programming than some. > 3. He's a damn sight nicer and more trustworthy too. > I think everyone know's who I'm talking about here :) I *hope* you are talking about Simon here. :-) imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 27 12:50:05 1998 From: The Mad Goose Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:32:28 GMT+0 Subject: book X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <1C748D2C47@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 237 Lines: 9 remember the book that colin m was trying to put together ages ago about the sam world? any news on it? Peace, Love, Kisses... Johnna Pig Teare JPOL: http://www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna "I just want my future to live up to my past..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 27 12:50:06 1998 Message-Id: <199801271242.MAA00778@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:41:56 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: book In-reply-to: <1C748D2C47@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 105 Lines: 8 > remember the book that colin m was trying to put together ages ago > about the sam world? no dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 27 15:08:27 1998 From: The Mad Goose Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:54:16 GMT+0 Subject: Re: book X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <1EC88345FB@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 274 Lines: 17 > > remember the book that colin m was trying to put together ages ago > > about the sam world? > > no erm...thanks ;-) > > > > dave > Peace, Love, Kisses... Johnna Pig Teare JPOL: http://www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna "I just want my future to live up to my past..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 27 15:29:29 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <2f35c548.34cdf937@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:11:49 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 309 Lines: 15 In a message dated 26/01/98 18:10:58, you write: >> Oh no its not..... But it is one of the stupid things Microsloth managed to >> get wrong. > >Use Linux, Bob. You'd like it. > > I know, and when I finally get my new machine built I intend to have it. K6/233 should make it run don't you think. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 27 16:04:27 1998 Message-Id: <199801271553.QAA18731@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: a reminder Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:52:20 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 791 Lines: 27 > Van: Ian Collier > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Onderwerp: Re: a reminder > Datum: Tuesday, January 27, 1998 1:22 > > On Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:42:14 -0000, Maria Rookyard said: > > 1. A certain person on this list knows a lot more about magazines than > > *some* people round here. > > > 2. He also knows a lot more about computers/programming than some. > > > 3. He's a damn sight nicer and more trustworthy too. > > > I think everyone know's who I'm talking about here :) > > I *hope* you are talking about Simon here. :-) > Can I add that someone else in this list looks a bit like a certain mr. Gates. when you think of it. Ja ne -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] The borderline Express will terminate at this station :) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 27 16:23:20 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <00256599.005902BC.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:13:29 +0000 Subject: Re: a reminder Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 293 Lines: 12 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can I add that someone else in this list looks a bit like a certain mr. Gates. when you think of it. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< I do believe that I have already pointed this out quite a while ago.. :) Justin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 27 16:23:22 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <988d2b3b.34ce06f9@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:10:30 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: New SAM ASIC... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2969 Lines: 65 In a message dated 27/01/98 00:06:45, you write: > >Colin crawls out from under his stone... > >Although I normally detest people sitting on the fence, I'm going to accuse >you both of being wrong. And sod the lot of you if you think it's for >personal reasons. > >Simon, whatever reasons Bob may give, the new SAM ASIC was *never* going to >get anywhere. Purely from my involvement with him, I'd suspect Bruce's >motives >in trying to generate fifty grand, but there are only two things which sold >more than 1,000 copies - Defenders and Prince. Both at under twenty quid. >Both >games. Both pieces of software that had a very high chance of release. The >ASIC, at triple the price, would never have generated more than a couple of >dozen advance sales. Even though YS got seventy-whatever people saying "yes, >I'd fork out for it", in the real world, you'd be lucky to get half - maybe >even a quarter. Sorry, but 1990, maybe. 1991, hmmm. 1992, no way. > >Bob, bang out of order with the anti-simon comments. He was trying to help >the >SAM scene. We had the benefit of knowing the commercial realities of the SAM >community, but of all those who didn't, Simon was one of the few that made an >effort. I did not mean them as direct 'anti-Simon' comments, although on re-reading I can see how they may be misinterpreted as that. What I sought to comment on was that the article, whenever or however it appeared, DID damage SAM sales. At the time we ignored it, working on the principle that few of our readers read YS, and did our best to kill the story whenever someone phoned us about it - that was done both for sake of common sense and at the request of Alan Miles. I have some difficulty of squaring dates given by Simon with events I experienced but, as I think I have said before, I've never doubted that his conversation took place with Bruce, only that the conversation was serious. I well remember still being in bed when Alan Miles rang me to ask if I knew anything about the article in YS, from my memory he phoned from the SAMCo office. All I can say is that the article was, as far as I am aware, never cleared with Alan Miles and therefore he was out for blood (mostly Bruce's IIRC). Having known Bruce since 1987 I've had some good brain-storming sessions with him myself, but soon learnt to take what he said with a generous pinch of salt. Of course, being a dreamer-of-big-things myself I can say that our talks sometime produced wonderful things - however, only after the benefits of other people's commercial realism. One thing Bruce never was good at was estimating costs - and 50K ukp was probably less than a third of what it would have cost. > > >Simon, stick with the list. If nought else, come get pissed in April! > If, as I appears, I have caused direct offence to Simon then I am sorry. But I think he should also be sorry for repeatedly dragging up this old chestnut - which has been exposed and explained long ago. -- Bob. > > > From imc Tue Jan 27 17:15:23 1998 Subject: Re: Andrew Collier's Caption Competition To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:15:23 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: from "Andrew Collier" at Jan 24, 98 02:49:29 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 468 Lines: 10 On Sat, 24 Jan 1998 02:49:29 +0000, Andrew Collier said: > It took you this long to find it? The caption competition's existed even > while my pages were on brain.sel! Incidentally, the one about Bob's hand doesn't work since you jazzed it up (so that it wouldn't work on text browsers, but never mind...). You see, in the old version the picture of Bob was a hyperlink, so the mouse pointer changed into a little hand whenever you moved it on to the picture. imc From imc Tue Jan 27 17:19:59 1998 Subject: Sam in USA To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:19:59 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980122161300.006db4f8@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> from "Simon Cooke" at Jan 22, 98 04:13:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 872 Lines: 18 On Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:13:00 -0800, Simon Cooke said: > At 08:52 PM 1/22/98 +0000, you wrote: > >IIRC grounding pin 20 of the MC1377P gives NTSC output. > >How far you have to re-tune the modulator is any bodys guess. > Well, I'd try it, but for the fact that it'll still be 50Hz -- that's ASIC > determined... and the modulator isn't correct -- the sound carrier is > different, as are the bandwidth specs for the colour signal. Indeed. The modulator is useless, since USA uses VHF instead of UHF, and the composite video is at the wrong frame rate. However, some TVs might be able to sync to the signal since the line rate is almost the same. *If* the TV can show the composite video (it will be in monochrome) then it's worth messing around to try and get the colour. You will need to change the 4.43 crystal for a 3.19 (?) one as well as doing the above. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 27 17:45:24 1998 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: sskardon@argonet.co.uk (Stewart Skardon) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 27 Jan 98 17:36:00 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Andrew Collier's Caption Competition Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1100 Lines: 36 On Tue 27 Jan 98 (17:15:23 +0000), imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk wrote: >On Sat, 24 Jan 1998 02:49:29 +0000, Andrew Collier said: >> It took you this long to find it? The caption competition's existed >even >> while my pages were on brain.sel! > >Incidentally, the one about Bob's hand doesn't work since you jazzed it >up (so that it wouldn't work on text browsers, but never mind...). You >see, in the old version the picture of Bob was a hyperlink, so the >mouse pointer changed into a little hand whenever you moved it on to >the picture. > Well, actually, I tried to add a new caption, but it wouldn't let me, giving the error 'you are not allowed to access this page' (or something like that) when I clicked on 'done'. >imc > > Stewart P.S And it was a good caption and all. :-) -- _ (_'tewart email : sskardon@argonet.co.uk ,_)kardon http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/stewart/ Crashed Magazine - The SAM Coupe and ZX Spectrum Magazine. Crashed WWW Site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon Crashed Email - crashed@argonet.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 27 18:48:11 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:50:50 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Andrew Collier's Caption Competition X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id SAA10154 Status: RO Content-Length: 1041 Lines: 29 At 5:36 pm +0000 27/1/98, Stewart Skardon wrote: >Well, actually, I tried to add a new caption, but it wouldn't let me, giving >the error 'you are not allowed to access this page' (or something like that) >when I clicked on 'done'. >Stewart > >P.S And it was a good caption and all. :-) Oh? Er, I'll have a look at that. When I get around to it. When I've written a include-cgi for the front page instead of the yucky graphical counters. When I've not got any Chemistry write-ups to do... Meanwhile if you email me your caption, I'll add it to the page. Andrew --- +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ | Andrew Collier | LOKTLOKTNVS'n'0TTDS'n'3LOKTLOKTYRUAQT1YRUAT3 | | 1B NatSci at Selwyn | ICUQ4LADB4U2R1ICXp2M£UICXp4XTC | | Contact: asc25@cam.ac.uk | 1-0 1-0B9'n'RTB4IOUATUR32NV0 | | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk | ICAG#2?RSVPASAP'nIC.B2KTICQTRIP | +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 27 20:37:41 1998 From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SAM C Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:15:54 GMT Message-ID: <34cce0a7.37926380@mail.enterprise.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 707 Lines: 22 On Mon, 26 Jan 1998 13:15:59 +0000 (GMT), you wrote: Hi Paul, >Not a bad idea. Anyone know if stuff developed on simcoupe would be able to >run first time on a real sam? That's a good question. Although I can save to a RAM disk (using MasterDOS), I haven't been able to save to a DSK file. Is this normal (Allan)? I was contemplating getting some of my unfinished programs working using SIM Coupe; too much hassle getting the real SAM out, but the lack of a working SAVE command makes things a bit awkward. SIM Coupe IMO should have a registered version. I mean, leave the current version as freeware, but make us pay for any future upgrades. It's just too good to be free. Bye, Dave Whitmore From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 27 20:37:41 1998 From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: One SAM families... Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:15:56 GMT Message-ID: <34cde3f9.38776739@mail.enterprise.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 234 Lines: 15 On Mon, 26 Jan 98 18:23:07, you wrote: >> >>Ah! But a Pay-Station is not a computer is it? >> > >No, but it's a kind of ticket machine, often found in most Car Park's. :-) I think Bob was being figurative. :) Bye, Dave Whitmore From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 27 21:37:11 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: <7671d439.34ce4aea@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:00:23 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Derek Morgan - New Game Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 885 Lines: 28 In a message dated 26/01/98 18:11:18, you write: >o > >BrenchleyR wrote: > >> Hi Phil, you can tell Derek that his press release and copy of the game >> arrived here last week and it will be covered in the next issue of FORMAT. >> >> -- >> Bob. > >You see guys? Moan at him long enough about something, and he takes >notice (although he will deny it in public). I moaned about him not >covering the Quazar Surround soundcard, and then for the next 3 or so >issues there was a news item in Format! :) > >Gavin I thought Quazar had received very good coverage in Format, both for the sound system and their software. And you can't say he has not given Derek Morgan good press over the years. Do you have a nice side Gavin? You don't come over as having one to me, you just stir things up and try to score points - how old are you? You sound like a spoilt ten year old to me. Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 27 21:37:11 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: <22a07b9.34ce4aed@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:00:27 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: One SAM families... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 257 Lines: 11 In a message dated 26/01/98 18:11:30, you write: >>Actually, I've just bought a Playstation so - ermm - there goes that >>statement... >>Justin > >Ah! But a Pay-Station is not a computer is it? Love it! Got to use that one on the lad next door :) Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 27 21:37:13 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:00:19 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Statement after a couple of Telephone calls. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 448 Lines: 14 In a message dated 25/01/98 22:38:14, you write: >I just think it's a bit sad that you're hiding away from the argument. If >there's something you don't want to hear - just hide away and pretend it's >not there. > >It doesn't work for the ostrich, and it won't work for you. > >Andrew Kill-filing is just filtering out those people or things that you can't be bothered with. Sorry Andrew, but you seem to be in the file at the moment :) Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 27 21:37:25 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: <6b013db9.34ce4ae7@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:00:21 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SAM C Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 644 Lines: 21 In a message dated 26/01/98 16:00:35, you write: >) > >On Fri, 23 Jan 1998, SparkY wrote: > >> Got SAM C out last night to start programming on it again - at which point >I >> remembered why I stopped using it in the first place (no floats!). There >was > >I remember why I don't use it - at least IMO, it's not very good! :) The >IDE is rather unstable, the editor isn't very responsive... > >Actually, there's a project for someone. A decent SAM text editor that has >a fast keyboard response, and no bouncing problems. The best one I've found >so far has been the one in COMET! Could the one in Comet be extracted? (just thinking) Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 27 21:37:26 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:00:29 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 255 Lines: 12 In a message dated 27/01/98 01:11:27, you write: >: > >> The worst thing possible to accuse someone of, killing the SAM > >I've accused people of far worse. And done far worse, come to think of >it :) Sounds interesting, please tell us more :) Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 27 21:37:27 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:00:20 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Format and Crashed Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 466 Lines: 11 In a message dated 26/01/98 15:59:18, you write: >Ah, so the biggest crisis since computers were invented is not of interest to >SAM and Spectrum users? How stupid of me to think that SAM and Spectrum users >have an interest in the REAL world. Oh dear, I'm going to have to rethink my >whole way of doing things - NOT!+ Am I alone in reading, and enjoying, Jenny's "Millennium Files". I think they are well done, and often ahead of other magazines I read. Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 27 21:37:28 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: <3f43dab9.34ce4ae8@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:00:22 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Personal email - was Re: Format and their selectivepublicitypolicy... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 141 Lines: 10 In a message dated 26/01/98 16:01:01, you write: > >Have you stopped beating your wife yet, Bill? > > No, she likes it too much :) Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 27 21:37:30 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: <224abd08.34ce4aef@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:00:29 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: This has gone on long enough. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2253 Lines: 49 In a message dated 26/01/98 20:23:11, you write: >Bob is causing offense and distress to various subscribers of the sam-users >mailing list. He continuingly and unrepentingly makes false accusations, >and may now be responsible for the departure of one (or maybe two, if this >continues) of the Sam's top coders. His presence on this list is damaging >the Sam community. He may be causing offence to you, but that is just because he returns some of the flak you put out. Are his accusations false? You say the are, but what makes you so believable? In this list over the time I've been on it (and in the archives I've seen) you have taken every single opportunity to insult, deride, belittle and abuse Bob and Format. Why? Because he may just know better than you on a few things? > >In setting up kill-files for certain sam-users list members, Bob is >attempting to remove himself from the conversation. No, he is trying to cut out the total crap that you and Gavin keep dishing out. Unlike you he actually does something for Sam, he helps Sam users. What to you do but shout your mouth off through this list? He is doing what most people do, he runs a kill-file to keep out the trash. >By participating in the >discussion, yet not reading his replies, Bob leaves himself free to make >unfounded insults without needing to pay any attention to the consequences. >He is speaking, but not listening to what other people have to say. In any >polite society, this behaviour - like that of a spoilt child - is rude and >uncultured. His presence on this list is damaging the Sam community. No more than your's is. It seems like you don't like it when you get ignored. > >To safeguard the stability of this list and the Sam market, I move that Bob >Brenchley be forcibly unsubscribed and his postings barred until full >apologies are received. Pull the other one, its got bells on. I think it is time you grew up young man. Recognise that there are people in this world that do not think you are God's gift to the Sam world. When you actual start talking some sense then people, including Bob, may start to listen. > >Andrew Bill. Who to put it simple so even Andrew and Gavin can understand, is getting VERY fed-up with their childish behaviour.