From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 27 21:37:30 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: <2b6009b9.34ce4af1@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:00:30 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SAM World - bye bye. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 755 Lines: 24 In a message dated 27/01/98 01:11:29, you write: >. > >It bothers me when Bob insults my friends. And Bob has REALLY overstepped >the mark this time. > >Andrew Is it an insult to point out to someone that they were wrong? If so then you have insulted Bob just about as many times as I've had hot dinners. Correct me if I am wrong. But we have Simon saying it was a real project, Bob (and from what he says Alan and Bruce) saying it was not, and Colin saying it was a non-starter either way. Now, given the day to day involvement that Bob had with Samco, could it not be just possible that in this case Bob is right? On balance, and without the input of Alan Miles or Bruce Gordon, I'm inclined in this case to say it is a no score draw. HTH. Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 27 21:37:31 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: <9ec97d39.34ce4aef@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:00:25 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Format and Crashed Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1037 Lines: 32 In a message dated 26/01/98 18:11:22, you write: >o > >BrenchleyR wrote: >> >> In a message dated 24/01/98 16:18:35, you write: > >> >Articles about the year 2000 crisis. What does it matter on the SAM? We >don't >> >actually have a SAM Clock do we! :-) >> >> Ah, so the biggest crisis since computers were invented is not of interest >to >> SAM and Spectrum users? How stupid of me to think that SAM and Spectrum >users >> have an interest in the REAL world. Oh dear, I'm going to have to rethink >my >> whole way of doing things - NOT!+ > >News item after news item, article after article - and it won't even >affect us! As "the home of Z80 computing" (yet another display of your >ego), we sort of want to read about something to do with Z80 computers! >Sheesh, for once in your life admit you are wrong. > >Gavin Gavin, you do live on planet Earth don't you? If so you live in a world that is dominated by computers. Are you really so out of touch with reality that you think the Y2K problem is not going to affect you? Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 27 21:37:33 1998 From: Martin Rookyard To: SamUsers Subject: Kill files Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:13:43 -0000 Message-ID: <01bd2b68$747f87f0$0100007f@adiemus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01BD2B68.747F87F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 3153 Lines: 89 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BD2B68.747F87F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I dedicate this to the general ! "The people are a clapping and a cheering, but the meaning of the message not revealed to those assembled, they are are taken for a ride - taken in his stride. When the general talks you better listen to him, When the general talks you better do what he says. Theres a rumour in the ranking, Someones talking insurrection, So the general has a purge, He wants to win elections, but there a certain satisfaction that the people are appeased. Long live the revolution - the generals very pleased. Introducing the generals school of political diplomacy.... If you disagree, you get anhialated *or in this case ignored" Lyrics from Midnight Oil - Red sails in the sunset - an excellent album = with some strong but true messages. Make of this what you will.... ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BD2B68.747F87F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I dedicate this to the general !
 
"The people are a clapping and a = cheering,
but the meaning of the message not revealed to those = assembled,
they are are taken for a ride - taken in his=20 stride.
 
When the general talks you better listen to = him,
When the general talks you better do what he=20 says. 
 
Theres a rumour in the ranking,
Someones talking insurrection,
So the general has a purge,  He wants to win=20 elections, 
but there a certain satisfaction that the people are = appeased. 
Long live the revolution - the generals very=20 pleased. 
 
Introducing the generals school of political=20 diplomacy....
 
If you disagree, you get anhialated *or in this case = ignored"
 
Lyrics from = Midnight Oil -=20 Red sails in the sunset - an excellent album with some strong but true=20 messages.
 
Make of this what  you will....
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BD2B68.747F87F0-- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 27 22:06:00 1998 From: Maria Rookyard To: sam-users Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:51:30 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 243 Lines: 13 > On Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:17:26 +0000, Dave Hooper said: > > look, can i unssub please? > > No, you can't. :-) > > imc Must be like the Reader's Digest - once they get their hooks into you, you can't escape from *them* either :) Maria. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 27 22:06:00 1998 From: Maria Rookyard To: sam-users Subject: Re: a reminder Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:55:32 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 767 Lines: 31 ---------- > From: Ian Collier > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Subject: Re: a reminder > Date: 27 January 1998 12:22 > > On Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:42:14 -0000, Maria Rookyard said: > > 1. A certain person on this list knows a lot more about magazines than > > *some* people round here. > > > 2. He also knows a lot more about computers/programming than some. > > > 3. He's a damn sight nicer and more trustworthy too. > > > I think everyone know's who I'm talking about here :) > > I *hope* you are talking about Simon here. :-) > > imc Naturally, and I'm sure you can work out who exactly it was addressed to as well - but don't ask because I'm not going to actually name names (ooh, bet you can't guess who I mean ]:-> ) Maria From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 27 22:13:01 1998 From: Maria Rookyard To: SAM Users Mailing List Subject: Re: A reminder Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:05:34 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 159 Lines: 10 Hi Bill, Just got the personal email you sent me - Guess again :) Maria. xxx P.S If anyone else's wondering about this one, better ask Bill for a copy... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 27 22:13:02 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <7671d439.34ce4aea@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:09:25 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Derek Morgan - New Game X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id WAA13269 Status: RO Content-Length: 803 Lines: 21 At 9:00 pm +0000 27/1/98, BillRitman wrote: >Do you have a nice side Gavin? You don't come over as having one to me, you >just stir things up and try to score points - how old are you? You sound like >a spoilt ten year old to me. At least he doesn't take his ball home when people won't play his game. Figuratively. Andrew --- +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ | Andrew Collier | LOKTLOKTNVS'n'0TTDS'n'3LOKTLOKTYRUAQT1YRUAT3 | | 1B NatSci at Selwyn | ICUQ4LADB4U2R1ICXp2M£UICXp4XTC | | Contact: asc25@cam.ac.uk | 1-0 1-0B9'n'RTB4IOUATUR32NV0 | | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk | ICAG#2?RSVPASAP'nIC.B2KTICQTRIP | +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ w From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 27 22:24:23 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2b6009b9.34ce4af1@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:16:36 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: SAM World - bye bye. X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id WAA13445 Status: RO Content-Length: 879 Lines: 24 At 9:00 pm +0000 27/1/98, BillRitman wrote: >Is it an insult to point out to someone that they were wrong? If so then you >have insulted Bob just about as many times as I've had hot dinners. No. But that's not what Bob's been doing. Bob has accused Simon of being a factor in the downfall of SamCo. The FACTS (ie publication dates) show that this is quite simply untrue. Nothing else to add. Andrew --- +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ | Andrew Collier | LOKTLOKTNVS'n'0TTDS'n'3LOKTLOKTYRUAQT1YRUAT3 | | 1B NatSci at Selwyn | ICUQ4LADB4U2R1ICXp2M£UICXp4XTC | | Contact: asc25@cam.ac.uk | 1-0 1-0B9'n'RTB4IOUATUR32NV0 | | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk | ICAG#2?RSVPASAP'nIC.B2KTICQTRIP | +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 27 22:29:37 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980127171042.006b2c5c@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:10:42 -0800 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Windows 95 Close Button Positioning Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 94 Lines: 6 To close as if you were using Win 3.1, double click on the icon at the top left. HTH Cookie From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 27 23:24:53 1998 Message-Id: <199801272316.AAA27609@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: Statement after a couple of Telephone calls. Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 00:15:49 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1185 Lines: 40 ---------- > Van: BillRitman > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Onderwerp: Re: Statement after a couple of Telephone calls. > Datum: Tuesday, January 27, 1998 10:00 > > In a message dated 25/01/98 22:38:14, you write: > > >I just think it's a bit sad that you're hiding away from the argument. If > >there's something you don't want to hear - just hide away and pretend it's > >not there. > > > >It doesn't work for the ostrich, and it won't work for you. > > > >Andrew > > Kill-filing is just filtering out those people or things that you can't be > bothered with. Sorry Andrew, but you seem to be in the file at the moment :) > be bothered with? In other words, you don't want to see them, hear them, in other words it would not be a bad thing if these people just weren't there. So stick your head in the sand and you won't be seeing it. And if you don't see than it isn't there. Go figure Billy why do you have to bark at almost every email that has been posted on this list? Ja ne -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] The borderline Express will terminate at this station :) And glad that his Sam still carries the name M.G.T. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 28 00:59:47 1998 From: SparkY To: sam-users Subject: Re: Format and Crashed Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 00:52:02 -0000 Message-Id: <01bd2b86$f2735a60$3314a8c2@sparky> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 679 Lines: 22 -----Original Message----- From: BillRitman >>News item after news item, article after article - and it won't even >>affect us! As "the home of Z80 computing" (yet another display of your >>ego), we sort of want to read about something to do with Z80 computers! >>Sheesh, for once in your life admit you are wrong. >> >>Gavin > >Gavin, you do live on planet Earth don't you? If so you live in a world that >is dominated by computers. Are you really so out of touch with reality that >you think the Y2K problem is not going to affect you? > >Bill. *sighs* It won't affect my SAM. That's the point. Go on holiday with Nev or something will you? (HTH) Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 28 09:43:18 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <0025659A.0032C61A.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:32:56 +0000 Subject: Re: One SAM families... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1160 Lines: 41 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >I only have my SAM at home. I refuse to buy a PC.... > >Actually, I've just bought a Playstation so - ermm - there goes that >statement... >Justin Ah! But a Pay-Station is not a computer is it? <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< "Pay-Station"???????? Well, I've heard everything now. No wonder the SAM is as good as dead as so many people on here says it is. *whips his orga^H^H^H^Hcalculator out* Average PC these days == 900quid? Average cost of three games == 100quid >>> Total == 1000quid And that's without anything interesting with it except a cheep 3dfx card and a crappy soundblaster compatible soundcard. Remember the value.... One telly == 150quid SAM Coupe == approx 140quid Quazar Surround == 54quid Average cost of 3 SAM games == 30 quid So called "PayStation" (which can match (even overthrow) all PC games I've seen. Admittidly you can't prgram it (well, get a black one then) or use Word98 (go to work then!)) (including any game you want) == 160quid Average cost of three PSX games = 100quid. >>> Total cost == 634quid Simple mathematics, my dear fellow, Bob... Simple mathematics.... Justin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 28 09:43:18 1998 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:37:00 +0100 (MET) From: Allan Skillman X-Sender: allan@hpopl1.cern.ch To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Normal service will be resumed.... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1403 Lines: 30 Hello All, If you were wondering, I am still here. This is my last week at UCL, so I'm trying to clear up the large number of outstanding projects. Consequently Sam type things have had to slip a little. Never fear though, as soon as I'm settled in the new job I'll get a release out. To answer a couple of questions posted recently, there is a bug in the last developement version which screwed up saving to disk images. I've fixed this one now. Changing real floppies is also detected. As for registration, I don't intend to ask for any payment for SimCoupe, its always been just a fun project. As for teh recent argument^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H um.. discussion on this list I'm keeping well out of it. regards Allan +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Now available! SimCoupe, the one and only SAM Coupe emulator | | ******* http://www.hep.ucl.ac.uk/~ajs/simcoupe ******* | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ | Allan Skillman | "There are five flavours of resons, the | | HEPP Group | elementary particles of magic : up, down, | | University College London | sideways, sex-appeal and peppermint." | | Email : ajs@hep.ucl.ac.uk | - Terry Pratchett (Lords and Ladies) | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 28 12:27:54 1998 From: Paul Walker Message-Id: <199801281216.MAA00433@lupin.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Format and Crashed In-Reply-To: <9ec97d39.34ce4aef@aol.com> from BillRitman at "Jan 27, 98 04:00:25 pm" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:16:02 +0000 (GMT) X-Approved: bill@whitehouse.gov X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 441 Lines: 14 > Gavin, you do live on planet Earth don't you? If so you live in a world that > is dominated by computers. Are you really so out of touch with reality that > you think the Y2K problem is not going to affect you? I'll put this nice and plainly for you, then. SAM does not (apparently) have a working clock yet so SAM does not have a persistent date store so the Y2K problem isn't really relevant to SAM Same goes for the Spectrum. Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 28 13:34:10 1998 From: SparkY To: sam-users Subject: Re: Normal service will be resumed.... Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 13:18:55 -0000 Message-Id: <01bd2bef$48a6a1e0$LocalHost@SPARKY> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 905 Lines: 21 Hi Allan :) >To answer a couple of questions posted recently, there is a bug in >the last developement version which screwed up saving to disk images. >I've fixed this one now. Changing real floppies is also detected. As >for registration, I don't intend to ask for any payment for SimCoupe, >its always been just a fun project. Is the version up your webpage at the moment, the fixed version? (Just before I download it again). Love SimCoupe btw, good work, and keep it up okay? :) I can't think of anything that doesn't run - a few fancy screens and demos have some screen corruption, but that's to be expected. Anyway, good to hear u are still with us, Gavin ============================================== Email: gavin.smith@cableol.co.uk IRC: Undernet's #TheLocal (SparkY or SparkYY) #TheLocal webpage: http://www.infj.ulst.ac.uk/~ckh225 ICQ: 5099913 ============================================== From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 28 13:34:10 1998 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 13:27:09 +0000 (GMT) From: Paul Walker X-Sender: csuan@lupin To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SAM C In-Reply-To: <199801261534.PAA15827@chalca.comlab.ox.ac.uk> Message-ID: "X-Archive: no" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 594 Lines: 16 On Mon, 26 Jan 1998, Ian Collier wrote: > > IDE is rather unstable, the editor isn't very responsive... > Have you tried with SCSI?... (sorry) Thought about it, but far too expensive. ;) > Had there been 36 more hours in the day then I would probably have written > one along the lines of FSE, and it would have been dead good. I'll take your word for it, I've never used FSE. Lack of time is a problem, though. ----- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ----- FidoNet : 2:254/60.11 2:442/103.13 ---> http://www.trak-one.co.uk/foti <--- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 28 15:25:05 1998 Message-Id: <199801281433.OAA10802@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 14:32:40 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... In-reply-to: <2f35c548.34cdf937@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 645 Lines: 18 > I know, and when I finally get my new machine built I intend to have it. > > K6/233 should make it run don't you think. funny you should mention it. the K6 range of processors have a hardware fault in them that manifests itself when compiling certain GNU tools (IIRC) under certain Linux 'breeds' (for want of a better word). It means that, if you have 32Mb (or more) ram, the compiliation will lock up and never run to completion. As far as i remember there is no way around this (except to remove ram, or go for a non AMD cpu) not a problem for me, of course. i don't use linux so my K6 233 goes like the shit. as they say. dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 28 15:25:06 1998 Message-Id: <199801281436.OAA11371@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 14:35:48 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: One SAM families... In-reply-to: <0025659A.0032C61A.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 726 Lines: 20 > SAM Coupe == approx 140quid well, mine was 170 quid; then add the disk drive for 80 quid > Average cost of three PSX games = 100quid. you reckon PS games cost 29.99 on average? which is why only the old (budget) rereleases (wipeout, etc) and the limited-market releases (parappa the rapper, for example) are at 29.99, whilst almost all other releases are around the 45 quid mark (if not more) correct me if i'm wrong, but i've noticed that almost ALL PC games are around 10 quid cheaper than the PS equivalent (or conversely that the PS versions cost 10 quid more). Grand Theft Auto is a case in point. top game by the way oh - and it seems to be at no. 2 in both the PS and PC charts. on digitiser, by the way. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 28 15:57:47 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <144d20a.34cf51d0@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:42:06 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Windows 95 Close Button Positioning Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 608 Lines: 23 In a message dated 27/01/98 23:36:54, you write: >o > >To close as if you were using Win 3.1, double click on the icon at the top >left. > >HTH > >Cookie The point is that it was a retrograde step to move the button to the right, so that you can accidentally close an application when you really wanted to max/min it. It goes against ergonomic design. My argument is that users should be able to configure Windows 95 (+) to look like Win 3.1, it would not have been difficult, I even understand that one of the early beta 95s had the option. As it is I'm waiting for an add on to do it for me. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 28 15:57:48 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <22ca10a.34cf51cd@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:42:03 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SAM C Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 328 Lines: 14 In a message dated 27/01/98 23:34:37, you write: >SIM Coupe IMO should have a registered version. I mean, leave the >current version as freeware, but make us pay for any future upgrades. >It's just too good to be free. > >Bye, > >Dave Whitmore I agree, and have said the same to him at the last Gloucester show. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 28 15:57:48 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:42:09 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: One SAM families... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2132 Lines: 74 In a message dated 28/01/98 09:43:59, you write: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>I only have my SAM at home. I refuse to buy a PC.... >> >>Actually, I've just bought a Playstation so - ermm - there goes that >>statement... >>Justin >Ah! But a Pay-Station is not a computer is it? ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > >"Pay-Station"???????? A little yoke which some seem to have recognised. > >Well, I've heard everything now. No wonder the SAM is as good >as dead as so many people on here says it is. Pardon? Why did you add that comment? > >*whips his orga^H^H^H^Hcalculator out* > >Average PC these days == 900quid? >Average cost of three games == 100quid >>>> Total == 1000quid According to recent survey they put the average purchase price of a home PC at 1100quid, but yes, you can get them far cheaper. > >And that's without anything interesting with it except a cheep 3dfx >card and a crappy soundblaster compatible soundcard. Remember >the value.... Got it :) > >One telly == 150quid Which most people wopuld have anyway. >SAM Coupe == approx 140quid >Quazar Surround == 54quid A bonus, but not really needed. >Average cost of 3 SAM games == 30 quid >So called "PayStation" (which can match (even overthrow) all PC >games I've seen. In what way? In graphics, yes I would agree with that. In playability, not quite. In play value, no way - even the Spectrum had better play value games. Because it has such good graphics it tends to fall back on them just a little too much. > Admittidly you can't prgram it (well, get a black one >then) or use Word98 (go to work then!)) (including any game >you want) == 160quid >Average cost of three PSX games = 100quid. >>>> Total cost == 634quid > >Simple mathematics, my dear fellow, Bob... >Simple mathematics.... Yes, the simple mathmatics are that you will continue to pay through the nose for play-station just like all the other console systems. Because that is all you can do with them they have you trapped. > >Justin If you only want to play games, the PS is not BAD value for money - but who would be content with just playing games? -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 28 15:57:48 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <651ba40a.34cf51d2@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:42:10 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Format and Crashed Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1057 Lines: 29 In a message dated 28/01/98 12:48:56, you write: >> Gavin, you do live on planet Earth don't you? If so you live in a world >that >> is dominated by computers. Are you really so out of touch with reality that >> you think the Y2K problem is not going to affect you? > >I'll put this nice and plainly for you, then. > >SAM does not (apparently) have a working clock yet >so SAM does not have a persistent date store >so the Y2K problem isn't really relevant to SAM > >Same goes for the Spectrum. > >Paul So, in January 2000 you find you have no electricity to run your SAM/Spectrum, no work because the world has ground to a halt, no pension or state hand-outs because there are no computer systems to deal with them. Will you still claim the the Millennium Bug has nothing to do with you? While main-stream publications are only just starting to wake up to the problem, FORMAT and FORMAT PC readers have known about it for over a year. We know it is an interesting subject, we know it will affect our readers, that is why it receives coverage. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 28 16:02:37 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <0025659A.0055A17D.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:57:14 +0000 Subject: Re: One SAM families... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1477 Lines: 45 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > SAM Coupe == approx 140quid well, mine was 170 quid; then add the disk drive for 80 quid <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Oops.. Forgot about that! :) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Average cost of three PSX games = 100quid. you reckon PS games cost 29.99 on average? which is why only the old (budget) rereleases (wipeout, etc) and the limited-market releases (parappa the rapper, for example) are at 29.99, whilst almost all other releases are around the 45 quid mark (if not more) <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Umm.. Well.. Virtual Rally = 30quid (discounted when I bought the PSX (129.99 + 30 = 159.99)) Destruction Derby 2 = 35quid Aliens Trilogy = 20quid G-Police = 35quid (All 4 are top games in my opinion!!) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correct me if i'm wrong, but i've noticed that almost ALL PC games are around 10 quid cheaper than the PS equivalent (or conversely that the PS versions cost 10 quid more). Grand Theft Auto is a case in point. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Well, umm.. The last time I looked at PC games (i admit was a long time ago) all the top PC games seemed to go at 45quid. I don't know why we are fighting over this for. I just wanted to get rid of the notion that Bob called the Playstation a Pay-Station. Oh silly me, perhaps someone was thinking about a CD-Writer method of obtaining PC games and that the PSX has hardware copy protection. Hmmm... (Who says it's foolproof?) Not that anyone here would think about such a thing.... Justy-boy! From imc Wed Jan 28 16:20:24 1998 Subject: Re: Format and Crashed To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 16:20:24 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <651ba40a.34cf51d2@aol.com> from "BrenchleyR" at Jan 28, 98 10:42:10 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 729 Lines: 17 On Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:42:10 EST, BrenchleyR said: > So, in January 2000 you find you have no electricity to run your SAM/Spectrum, > no work because the world has ground to a halt, no pension or state hand-outs > because there are no computer systems to deal with them. I think not. Are you one of those people who contributed to recent news reports claiming that anything containing a processor including lifts and central heating systems would stop dead on 1/1/2000? In my opinion this is complete rubbish. > While main-stream publications are only just starting to wake up to the > problem, Really? This has been going on for ages, you know. I'm sure I heard it on "In Business" on Radio 4 well over a year ago. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 28 17:14:04 1998 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: sskardon@argonet.co.uk (Stewart Skardon) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 28 Jan 98 16:40:15 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: FORMATs news - was Re: Format and Crashed Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1585 Lines: 54 On Wed 28 Jan 98 (10:42:10), brenchleyr@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 28/01/98 12:48:56, you write: [snip] >>Paul > >So, in January 2000 you find you have no electricity to run your >SAM/Spectrum, I'm sure that the electricity companies will have that all sorted out by now. >no work because the world has ground to a halt, no Erm, don't quite see how the year 2000 bug will affect the running of the entire world. >pension or state hand-outs because there are no computer systems to >deal with them. Will you still claim the the Millennium Bug has nothing >to do with you? Now this is getting ridiculous. Just admit it, the problem is completely irrelevant to the SAM and Spectrum. > >While main-stream publications are only just starting to wake up to the >problem, FORMAT and FORMAT PC readers have known about it for over a Not that you just take news articles straight out of Mainstream magazines, or have people like SEGA, Canon, and Intel seen that it is really important to their business that they send press releases to a small magazine for computers that can't even use their products? >year. We know it is an interesting subject, we know it will affect our >readers, that is why it receives coverage. > >-- >Bob. > > Lotsaluv Stewart. xxxxxx -- _ (_'tewart email : sskardon@argonet.co.uk ,_)kardon http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/stewart/ Crashed Magazine - The SAM Coupe and ZX Spectrum Magazine. Crashed WWW Site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon Crashed Email - crashed@argonet.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 28 17:14:05 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <0025659A.0057FFB3.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:01:49 +0000 Subject: Re: One SAM families... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 3452 Lines: 103 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pardon? Why did you add that comment? <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< I apologise... i was in a bad mood... I wasn't sure what I was writing. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In what way? In graphics, yes I would agree with that. In playability, not quite. In play value, no way - even the Spectrum had better play value games. Because it has such good graphics it tends to fall back on them just a little too much. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< I was comparing PSXs with PCs... NOT SAM/Spectrums! I'm just saying that I prefer my SAM/PSX combo compared to a PC... (Obviously, I forgot to make that clear! That earlier comment must have thrown you off... Once again, I apologise...) Wait a minute... *rereading your text*.. you're saying PCs have better playability than the PSX? I like to see your reasoning... (especially when games are practically the same (they come out on both machines together unlike the N64) and you don't need to worry about whether your PC can run the latest game you want to buy...) Oh, btw, incase you're wondering... I *STILL* bought a copy of "Bowin and the Count Dracula" (received yesterday).... IT'S EXCELLENT!!! I love the high pitched laughter when you pick up the smiley snowballs! :) It's worth buying a Quazar Surround card just to play THAT game!!!! It's the perfect game to play with a girlfriend! :) (Gotta find one now!) The cute-ability factor reaches 4billion (impressive since my range only goes from 0 to 10)!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, the simple mathmatics are that you will continue to pay through the nose for play-station just like all the other console systems. Because that is all you can do with them they have you trapped. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Sorry, I don't get that.... I remember paying through the nose when I had a PC... Gotta get a better processor.. better graphics.. bigger disk.. more memory... Damn.. new motherboard... damn.. more memory.. different memory... more disk.. DAMN!! I STILL can't get that game to run properly!!!!!! I do believe in Plug and Play technology. PLUG in the mains, switch on, stick in a disk, press F9 and PLAY. Aswell as, PLUG in the mains, stick in a disk, and switch on and PLAY. :) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you only want to play games, the PS is not BAD value for money - but who would be content with just playing games? <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< That's why I have my SAM, Pro-DOS, various utilities and my trusty soldering iron.. :) Okie. I'm changing my opinion of Bob.. he is NOT Samsboss or Bill Ritman... He is most definitly Bill Gates himself - not just a facsimile! *cheeky grin* I'm sorry, but I no longer like PCs and unless there is real reason, I refuse to go down that route and leave my SAM behind... If you want to know where SAMs market lies, its with the people who own games consoles and don't want to pay for PCs but want to have a go at programming (but don't realise it yet!). And another thing. I've just had to tell my Dad the PC that he paid 1000quid for 5 years ago might aswell be thrown away. And if you knew my Dad, then you'd know he was NOT BEST PLEASED to hear that... Especially when he also bought a Sinclair QL when they were around and was p***ed off when he realised that he bought a "white elephant" and he couldn't get rid of it.... In fact, he also seemed to moan that he paid 1000quid on a machine that I spent half the time playing games on a Speccy emulator! I can't think of anything else to add.. Jutty-boy. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 28 20:08:19 1998 X-Authentication-Warning: holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk: pyumi owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:49:42 +0000 (GMT) From: Mark Sturdy X-Sender: pyumi@holly To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Format and Crashed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 314 Lines: 15 On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, BillRitman wrote: > Am I alone in reading, and enjoying, Jenny's "Millennium Files". I think they > are well done, and often ahead of other magazines I read. No, I like those too. Not particularly SAM or Spectrum related, but good stuff nontheless. SRD, Kl'aa-du. Heart beats up love From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 28 20:12:14 1998 From: SparkY To: sam-users Subject: Re: One SAM families... Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:50:21 -0000 Message-Id: <01bd2c25$f77b31a0$LocalHost@SPARKY> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1672 Lines: 39 -----Original Message----- From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk >Oh, btw, incase you're wondering... I *STILL* bought a copy of "Bowin and >the >Count Dracula" (received yesterday).... IT'S EXCELLENT!!! I love the high >pitched >laughter when you pick up the smiley snowballs! :) It's worth buying a >Quazar >Surround card just to play THAT game!!!! It's the perfect game to play with >a >girlfriend! :) (Gotta find one now!) The cute-ability factor reaches >4billion >(impressive since my range only goes from 0 to 10)!!! Haven't bought it yet, but on reading your comments above, my girlfriend has taken an interest in my SAM for the first time ever ;) Oh, little note to Format readers (*grins*, look, I'm sorry, I just can't resist it ;) - Bowen and Count Dracula is a new PERSONA game which you haven't read about cos you've been reading about the Y2K causing the end of the world etc. ;))) And if you knew my Dad, >then you'd know he was NOT BEST PLEASED to hear that... Especially when >he also bought a Sinclair QL when they were around and was p***ed off >when he realised that he bought a "white elephant" I never did get a Sinclair QL :(( I really want one, if anyone has one they don't want let me know :) (As goes for any Sinclair hardware, software, books, anything). Gavin (who is expecting more abusive mail from Bill/Bob because of the above joke about Format - but it was only a joke! :) ============================================== Email: gavin.smith@cableol.co.uk IRC: Undernet's #TheLocal (SparkY or SparkYY) #TheLocal webpage: http://www.infj.ulst.ac.uk/~ckh225 ICQ: 5099913 ============================================== From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 28 20:36:47 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: <7b17cb36.34cf92dd@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:19:38 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Statement after a couple of Telephone calls. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 857 Lines: 23 In a message dated 27/01/98 23:36:59, you write: >> Kill-filing is just filtering out those people or things that you can't >be >> bothered with. Sorry Andrew, but you seem to be in the file at the moment >:) >> >be bothered with? In other words, you don't want to see them, hear them, in >other words it would not be a bad thing if these people just weren't there. >So stick your head in the sand and you won't be seeing it. And if you don't >see than it isn't there. Go figure But that is EXACTLY what kill-filing is all about isn't it. Are you one of the few that does not use a kill-file? > >Billy why do you have to bark at almost every email that has been posted on >this list? The last couple of weeks I've been in more than usual in the evening (my work often keeps me out late) and it has just happened that there is sod-all on telly. Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 28 20:45:12 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: <791d2236.34cf92dd@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:19:39 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Format and Crashed Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1021 Lines: 33 In a message dated 28/01/98 01:15:30, you write: >o > >-----Original Message----- >From: BillRitman > >>>News item after news item, article after article - and it won't even >>>affect us! As "the home of Z80 computing" (yet another display of your >>>ego), we sort of want to read about something to do with Z80 computers! >>>Sheesh, for once in your life admit you are wrong. >>> >>>Gavin >> >>Gavin, you do live on planet Earth don't you? If so you live in a world >that >>is dominated by computers. Are you really so out of touch with reality that >>you think the Y2K problem is not going to affect you? >> >>Bill. > >*sighs* It won't affect my SAM. That's the point. Go on holiday with Nev or >something will you? > >(HTH) >Gavin It may not affect your SAM, but it WILL affect YOU (even if is only you paying part of the billions that it is going to cost to sort things out). Do you really mean you want to know nothing about the Y2K problem? I find that very hard to believe you know. Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 28 20:45:12 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:19:40 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: FORMATs news - was Re: Format and Crashed Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 771 Lines: 20 In a message dated 28/01/98 17:21:16, you write: > >>pension or state hand-outs because there are no computer systems to >>deal with them. Will you still claim the the Millennium Bug has nothing >>to do with you? > >Now this is getting ridiculous. Just admit it, the problem is completely >irrelevant to the SAM and Spectrum. Talk Radio did a big spot this morning on the subject. It is thought that as much as 30% could be wiped off the value of peoples pension plans as a result of the Y2K bug. They also say that the average national health service hospital will be able to treat 18% fewer people in 1999,2000 and 2001 because of the costs of redoing computer systems. Just thought one or two of you may be interested in what is going on in the real world. Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 28 20:45:16 1998 From: SparkY To: sam-users Subject: Re: Format and Crashed Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:46:12 -0000 Message-Id: <01bd2c2d$c519e140$LocalHost@SPARKY> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1091 Lines: 34 -----Original Message----- From: BillRitman >>*sighs* It won't affect my SAM. That's the point. Go on holiday with Nev or >>something will you? >> >>(HTH) >>Gavin > >It may not affect your SAM, but it WILL affect YOU (even if is only you paying >part of the billions that it is going to cost to sort things out). Do you >really mean you want to know nothing about the Y2K problem? I find that very >hard to believe you know. > >Bill. *sighs deeply again* LISTEN! Format is 30 sodding pages long, and it's meant to be about SAM and Speccy stuff - there isn't enough room to cover everything that goes on in the computing world in the mag, so stick to SAM and Speccy news. I've read about the problem in every sodding PC magazine I pick up, every newspaper, we all know about it! Give over about it, and drop this thread! Gavin ============================================== Email: gavin.smith@cableol.co.uk IRC: Undernet's #TheLocal (SparkY or SparkYY) #TheLocal webpage: http://www.infj.ulst.ac.uk/~ckh225 ICQ: 5099913 ============================================== From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 28 21:07:35 1998 X-Authentication-Warning: holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk: pyumi owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:02:34 +0000 (GMT) From: Mark Sturdy X-Sender: pyumi@holly To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: FORMATs news - was Re: Format and Crashed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1526 Lines: 38 On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, BillRitman wrote: > >Now this is getting ridiculous. Just admit it, the problem is completely > >irrelevant to the SAM and Spectrum. > > Talk Radio did a big spot this morning on the subject. It is thought that as > much as 30% could be wiped off the value of peoples pension plans as a result > of the Y2K bug. They also say that the average national health service > hospital will be able to treat 18% fewer people in 1999,2000 and 2001 because > of the costs of redoing computer systems. > > Just thought one or two of you may be interested in what is going on in the > real world. Lord-a-mercy. No one said that the millenium bug wasn't relevant to their lives, or that they don't want to know about it. They're just saying that it's not relevant to the SAM or Spectrum. If I went out and bought a copy of NME or Mojo and found it full of stuff about the millenium bug, I'd be pissed off because I'd just paid money for a music magazine and that wasn't what I'd got. Similarly, it's questionable whether information about the millenium bug has a place in a magazine about the SAM and Spectrum. None of the above neccessarily represents my opinions - I'm just amplifying points that others have made. [On a completely different topic, Stewart - what's wrong with your email thingy? I've tried to send you messages three or four time over the past few days, and it just gets bounced back to me after a few hours. You haven't kill-filed me, have you?] SRD, Kl'aa-du. Heart beats up love From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 28 22:10:06 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ILGW @ C&L NL @ C&L INT @ C&L INT EXTERNAL@INTERLIANT @ OUTBOUND From: Stefan Drissen To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Message-ID: <8625659A.007843FE.00@Internet-504.interliant.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:49:19 +0100 Subject: Re: Format and Crashed Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1719 Lines: 47 Bill/Bob wrote: >It may not affect your SAM, but it WILL affect YOU (even if is only you paying >part of the billions that it is going to cost to sort things out). Do you >really mean you want to know nothing about the Y2K problem? I find that very >hard to believe you know. > >Bill. Has FORMAT recently become the human's guide to life the universe and everything? I could list a lot more things that do affect ME but have got bollocks to do with the SAM. How about an article on the price of petrol in the next issue??? This whole defence of FORMAT's crap news policy is pathetic. *stands in line behind Gavin* As to being interested in the REAL world - I don't think anyone is subscribed to FORMAT for that. Hobbies are things you do after you've spent the day working in the real world. Stefan -- **************************************** This document should only be read by those persons to whom it is addressed and is not intended to be relied upon by any person without subsequent written confirmation of its contents. Accordingly, Coopers & Lybrand disclaim all responsibility and accept no liability (including in negligence) for the consequences for any person acting, or refraining from acting, on such information prior to the receipt by those persons of subsequent written confirmation. If you have received this E-mail message in error, please notify us immediately by telephone. Please also destroy and delete the message from your computer. Any form of reproduction, dissemination, copying, disclosure, modification, distribution and/or publication of this E-mail message is strictly prohibited. **************************************** From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 28 22:42:10 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:16:43 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Format and Crashed Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 949 Lines: 22 In a message dated 28/01/98 20:50:19, you write: > >*sighs deeply again* LISTEN! Format is 30 sodding pages long, and it's meant >to be about SAM and Speccy stuff - there isn't enough room to cover >everything that goes on in the computing world in the mag, so stick to SAM >and Speccy news. I've read about the problem in every sodding PC magazine I >pick up, every newspaper, we all know about it! Give over about it, and drop >this thread! > >Gavin So. Because most PC magazines are beginning to catch up with Format, Format should drop the coverage. You may well have a point there. Except what about those people who don't read other magazines? Should they be left in the dark. Format itself has had a couple of articles, pointing people in the direction of Format PC is they want more regular news. If you want my opinion (well, you are going to get it anyway) I don't think either magazine is devoting enough pages to the problem. Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 28 22:42:10 1998 Message-Id: <199801282232.XAA24678@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: Statement after a couple of Telephone calls. Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:31:56 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1042 Lines: 34 > Van: BillRitman > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Onderwerp: Re: Statement after a couple of Telephone calls. > Datum: Wednesday, January 28, 1998 9:19 > > In a message dated 27/01/98 23:36:59, you write: > But that is EXACTLY what kill-filing is all about isn't it. Are you one of the > few that does not use a kill-file? I use killfilters, but even a certain mr. M. Jones (aka dirtydick) is not in my killfilter. I use killfilters to get rid of spammers, although most of the spam is filtered out by my ISP these days (they are doing a good job, when it comes to blocking email spam). > >Billy why do you have to bark at almost every email that has been posted on > >this list? > > The last couple of weeks I've been in more than usual in the evening (my work > often keeps me out late) and it has just happened that there is sod-all on > telly. > Just as I thought, being a bit bored. Ja ne -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] The borderline Express will terminate at this station :) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 28 22:48:57 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: <731d3372.34cfaf64@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:21:22 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: FORMATs news - was Re: Format and Crashed Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 744 Lines: 21 In a message dated 28/01/98 21:03:24, you write: >. > >Lord-a-mercy. No one said that the millenium bug wasn't relevant to their >lives, or that they don't want to know about it. They're just saying that >it's not relevant to the SAM or Spectrum. If I went out and bought a copy >of NME or Mojo and found it full of stuff about the millenium bug, I'd be >pissed off because I'd just paid money for a music magazine and that >wasn't what I'd got. Similarly, it's questionable whether information >about the millenium bug has a place in a magazine about the SAM and >Spectrum. I don't agree. > >None of the above neccessarily represents my opinions - I'm just >amplifying points that others have made. What are your opinions then? Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 28 23:20:11 1998 From: PGLOVER43@aol.com Message-ID: <82bed86a.34cfbac1@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:09:51 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: FORMATs news (Y2K) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 168 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 727 Lines: 17 I also object to space being given to the Millenium bug in FORMAT. Papers such as The Independent, Times and other broadsheets have been covering the subject for well over a year. Now even the tabloids and local papers in my area cover it, not to mention news and current affairs programs on radio and TV. They cover it in greater depth. Why must we read it in FORMAT when it isn't relevant to SAM? (I also read GARDEN NEWS, and don't wish to see Millenium bug coverage in there, unless it directly affects my paraffin heater....) Mind you, looking back on the FORMAT news of the last two or three years, what percentage of it is SAM-specific? *Stands in line behind Gavin* (What a good slogan for a badge!) Phil Glover. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 28 23:38:54 1998 From: SparkY To: sam-users Subject: Re: FORMATs news (Y2K) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:28:26 -0000 Message-Id: <01bd2c44$6f1e58e0$3914a8c2@sparky> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 394 Lines: 12 >*Stands in line behind Gavin* (What a good slogan for a badge!) > >Phil Glover. Could sound a little dodgy though, people might get the wrong idea ;) ============================================== Email: gavin.smith@cableol.co.uk IRC: Undernet's #TheLocal (SparkY or SparkYY) #TheLocal webpage: http://www.infj.ulst.ac.uk/~ckh225 ICQ: 5099913 ============================================== From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 28 23:38:54 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980128181844.006b22e8@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:18:44 -0800 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Windows 95 Close Button Positioning In-Reply-To: <144d20a.34cf51d0@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 947 Lines: 25 At 10:42 AM 1/28/98 EST, you wrote: >The point is that it was a retrograde step to move the button to the right, so >that you can accidentally close an application when you really wanted to >max/min it. It goes against ergonomic design. My argument is that users should >be able to configure Windows 95 (+) to look like Win 3.1, it would not have >been difficult, I even understand that one of the early beta 95s had the >option. *shrugs* Once you get used to it, it feels a lot better. And you don't make the mistake. As an alternative, double-click on the title bar of a window to maximize/restore it, and stick to the minimise button to minimise it. If you're still hitting the wrong one, turn your mouse speed down and put your graphics in 640x480 mode... >As it is I'm waiting for an add on to do it for me. 'sup to you. Agreed, it's not 100% intelligent to have the close button there, but after a time it begins to feel better. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 28 23:54:58 1998 From: PGLOVER43@aol.com Message-ID: <1a216f9d.34cfc3f6@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:49:07 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: FORMATs news (Y2K) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 168 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 260 Lines: 12 << >*Stands in line behind Gavin* (What a good slogan for a badge!) > >Phil Glover. Could sound a little dodgy though, people might get the wrong idea ;) >> Yep, I hadn't noticed that! Perhaps someone could suggests a better slogan? - Phil Glover From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 29 00:20:47 1998 From: SparkY To: sam-users Subject: Text editor - little project for someone? Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 00:13:12 -0000 Message-Id: <01bd2c4a$b01c7920$1014a8c2@sparky> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 679 Lines: 13 Isn't it annoying to load a word processor like Word Pro or something, just to view a short .txt or info file of a few lines? I can't find a decent little text editor/viewer anywhere. I'm just looking for something like Notepad, MSDOS's edit or Pico on Unix, which we could use for typing in code as well, without worrying about control codes. Anyone know of such a little program or fancy writing one? (Something like the Comet editor). ============================================== Email: gavin.smith@cableol.co.uk IRC: Undernet's #TheLocal (SparkY or SparkYY) #TheLocal webpage: http://www.infj.ulst.ac.uk/~ckh225 ICQ: 5099913 ============================================== From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 29 08:25:47 1998 Message-Id: <199801290819.IAA21159@relais1.orctel.co.uk> From: David Zambonini To: sam-users Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:18:06 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 855 Lines: 20 > the K6 range of processors have a hardware fault in them that > manifests itself when compiling certain GNU tools (IIRC) under > certain Linux 'breeds' (for want of a better word). It means that, if > you have 32Mb (or more) ram, the compiliation will lock up and never > run to completion. As far as i remember there is no way around this > (except to remove ram, or go for a non AMD cpu) Are you quite sure about this? Surely the problem is more likely to be in the ruleset used by gcc when compiling on a K6, or perhaps one of the manifest bugs of certain Linux 'breeds' (as you so eloquently put it)? There are more than enough of these already to go round without introducing yet another level of buginess in the processor itself. It just doesn't bear thinking about..... DMZ --- P.S. It can't be a fault... obviously, it's a 'feature' From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 29 08:25:47 1998 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:20:56 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9801290820.AA06369@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Windows 95 Close Button Positioning X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 451 Lines: 12 > >As it is I'm waiting for an add on to do it for me. > > 'sup to you. Agreed, it's not 100% intelligent to have the close button > there, but after a time it begins to feel better. That's how a toothache starts too you know - it's bloody painfull in the beginning, but after a time it begins to feel better (if you've had it you know what I mean). :) Act now before it's too late. Bob: You want fvwm. AH...an it's _not_ a Win95 plug-in. -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 29 08:51:36 1998 Message-ID: <3723DA3001F73000@c2gate.tcom.co.uk> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 8:22:00 +0000 From: Dan Doore Organization: * To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no (Sam Users Mailing List) Subject: RE: FORMATs news - was Re: Format and Cr Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.30A MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 380 Lines: 16 > Just thought one or two of you may be interested in what is going on in the > real world. IBM have stated to the FAA that they cannot guarantee the operation of their air traffic control systems after Y2K. I hope your "Real World" isn't under the Heathrow flightpaths :) Dan. Work: dandoore@bacg.com Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 29 09:25:49 1998 Message-Id: <199801290916.JAA21477@relais1.orctel.co.uk> From: David Zambonini To: sam-users Subject: Re: Windows 95 Close Button Positioning Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:14:16 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 246 Lines: 14 > Bob: You want fvwm. AH...an it's _not_ a Win95 plug-in. > > -Frode Oooh. Nope, you want fvwm on one machine and Exceed on another, and you'll soon get **really** confused running both at once.... DMZ --- PS Is this off topic enough yet? From imc Thu Jan 29 10:49:26 1998 Subject: Re: FORMATs news - was Re: Format and Cr To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:49:26 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <3723DA3001F73000@c2gate.tcom.co.uk> from "Dan Doore" at Jan 29, 98 08:22:00 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 339 Lines: 10 On Thu, 29 Jan 1998 8:22:00 +0000, Dan Doore said: > IBM have stated to the FAA that they cannot guarantee the operation of > their > air traffic control systems after Y2K. That means they are hedging their bets, not that it necessarily won't work. I don't see what air traffic control has to do with the century in particular. imc From imc Thu Jan 29 10:56:33 1998 Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:56:33 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <199801290819.IAA21159@relais1.orctel.co.uk> from "David Zambonini" at Jan 29, 98 08:18:06 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1189 Lines: 25 On Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:18:06 -0000, David Zambonini said: > Are you quite sure about this? Surely the problem is more likely to be in > the ruleset used by gcc when compiling on a K6, or perhaps one of the > manifest bugs of certain Linux 'breeds' (as you so eloquently put it)? OK, so this is Cyrix instead of AMD, but it does look similar. http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/ Red Hat 5.0 crashes for some people while installing. Others are only running into problems when compiling the kernel. It seems that the gcc that comes with Red Hat 5.0 is odd in the respect that it crashes on Cyrix processors when compiling the kernel. This is VERY odd. I would think that the only way that this can be the case is whent he Cyrix has a bug that has gone undetected all this time, and reliably gets triggered when THAT gcc compiles the Linux kernel. Anyway, if you just want compile a kernel, you should get the gcc-compiled-for-glibc from sunsite. I don't know of a workaround if your system crashes while installing. Perhaps FORMAT could cover this in the news section of its next issue... imc From imc Thu Jan 29 10:59:30 1998 Subject: Re: Text editor - little project for someone? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:59:30 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <01bd2c4a$b01c7920$1014a8c2@sparky> from "SparkY" at Jan 29, 98 00:13:12 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 630 Lines: 15 On Thu, 29 Jan 1998 00:13:12 -0000, SparkY said: > Isn't it annoying to load a word processor like Word Pro or something, just > to view a short .txt or info file of a few lines? I have "less" for viewing text files. Officially it's only half finished, but that looks like remaining so until the end of time... > I'm just looking for something like > Notepad, MSDOS's edit or Pico on Unix, which we could use for typing in code > as well, without worrying about control codes. We were talking about an editor earlier. :-) I have tended to use FSE - not that it is terribly "little". imc From imc Thu Jan 29 11:06:44 1998 Subject: Re: Windows 95 Close Button Positioning To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:06:44 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <144d20a.34cf51d0@aol.com> from "BrenchleyR" at Jan 28, 98 10:42:06 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1010 Lines: 21 On Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:42:06 EST, BrenchleyR said: > The point is that it was a retrograde step to move the button to the right, so > that you can accidentally close an application when you really wanted to > max/min it. But there are max/min buttons up there too, and they are clearly labelled. Doesn't that "X" symbol tell you something? :-) But hey, that's Microsoft software for you. If you were using Linux/X then you would be able to tell your window manager exactly what the buttons would do, where they would go and what they would look like. I don't have close buttons on my X windows. There's no need for one. If I need to close something I'll use the frame menu. And I do min/raise/lower using function keys which means that when I switch to Windows I look what the buttons do before using them. The Win95 general appearance is nicer than Win3.1, although its stability is laughable and I only use it because certain software companies seem to think it's the only system which exists. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 29 18:02:00 1998 From: Paul Walker Message-Id: <199801291103.LAA14272@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Format and Crashed In-Reply-To: from BillRitman at "Jan 28, 98 05:16:43 pm" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:03:25 +0000 (GMT) X-Approved: bill@whitehouse.gov X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 469 Lines: 12 > should drop the coverage. You may well have a point there. Except what about > those people who don't read other magazines? Should they be left in the dark. Why do you use full stops instead of question marks. It can get very confusing. > are going to get it anyway) I don't think either magazine is devoting enough > pages to the problem. I can't speak for formatpc, since I don't get it, but I think there are more than enough pages about it in FORMAT already. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 29 18:02:01 1998 From: Paul Walker Message-Id: <199801291108.LAA15923@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Format and Crashed In-Reply-To: <651ba40a.34cf51d2@aol.com> from BrenchleyR at "Jan 28, 98 10:42:10 am" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:08:29 +0000 (GMT) X-Approved: bill@whitehouse.gov X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1129 Lines: 23 > So, in January 2000 you find you have no electricity to run your SAM/Spectrum > no work because the world has ground to a halt, no pension or state hand-outs > because there are no computer systems to deal with them. Will you still claim > the the Millennium Bug has nothing to do with you? I very much doubt that all of the above is true, personally. But, leaving that aside for the minute - I didn't claim it had nothing to do with me. What we are trying to say is that it's not overwhelmingly relevant to SAM or Speccy. Look at it this way. I get info on this problem from websites, from the hotwired news services, from magazines, from TV people (most of whom are scaremongering rather than anything useful), and recently from spam. I really don't want or need it in Format as well! > problem, FORMAT and FORMAT PC readers have known about it for over a year. We > know it is an interesting subject, we know it will affect our readers, I'm sure you do "know" it. This reader, however, doesn't especially want pages devoted to it when they could be put to uses more appropriate to `the home of z80 computing'. Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 29 18:02:01 1998 From: Paul Walker Message-Id: <199801291109.LAA16263@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: FORMATs news - was Re: Format and Cr In-Reply-To: <199801291049.KAA22799@chalca.comlab.ox.ac.uk> from Ian Collier at "Jan 29, 98 10:49:26 am" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:09:42 +0000 (GMT) X-Approved: bill@whitehouse.gov X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 148 Lines: 5 > work. I don't see what air traffic control has to do with the century in > particular. "My god! That plane's 105 years old! Get it down, now!" From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 29 18:02:03 1998 From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 06:51:17 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Format and Crashed Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1610 Lines: 41 In a message dated 28/01/98 16:36:59, you write: >o > >On Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:42:10 EST, BrenchleyR said: >> So, in January 2000 you find you have no electricity to run your >SAM/Spectrum, >> no work because the world has ground to a halt, no pension or state >hand-outs >> because there are no computer systems to deal with them. > >I think not. Are you one of those people who contributed to recent news >reports claiming that anything containing a processor including lifts and >central heating systems would stop dead on 1/1/2000? In my opinion this >is complete rubbish. It may well be, the real problem is that know body REALLY knows. Central heating systems will only be a problem if they have electronic control systems. Many lifts will, they think, give small problems (it would take too long to explain the root of that problem here). But I for one will be not be getting on a plane during late '99 or early 2000 - no way will I take the risk. > >> While main-stream publications are only just starting to wake up to the >> problem, > >Really? This has been going on for ages, you know. I'm sure I heard it on >"In Business" on Radio 4 well over a year ago. As general public news, the problem really started to be covered a couple of weeks after the first issue of FORMAT PC appeared, when the Times newspaper did a big spread. Of course professional journals have had articles on the subject for years. Still, the Millennium Files in FORMAT PC are going down very well with the readers, and the infrequent updates in FORMAT itself do seem to be well received by our readers. > >imc Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 29 18:02:04 1998 From: Paul Walker Message-Id: <199801291111.LAA16808@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Windows 95 Close Button Positioning In-Reply-To: <144d20a.34cf51d0@aol.com> from BrenchleyR at "Jan 28, 98 10:42:06 am" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:11:43 +0000 (GMT) X-Approved: bill@whitehouse.gov X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 643 Lines: 17 > The point is that it was a retrograde step to move the button to the right, so > that you can accidentally close an application when you really wanted to Yes, but it wouldn't have been moved if users didn't prefer it. I actually quite like it over there, since you have all the window control buttons in one place. > max/min it. It goes against ergonomic design. My argument is that users should Ergonomics is more to do with the physical aspect, IIRC the definition properly. This is more usability. > been difficult, I even understand that one of the early beta 95s had the > option. Run fileman/progman, that should keep you happy. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 29 18:02:05 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <651dafd7.34d06d3a@aol.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 06:51:20 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: FORMATs news - was Re: Format and Crashed Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2224 Lines: 62 In a message dated 28/01/98 17:19:59, you write: >o > >On Wed 28 Jan 98 (10:42:10), brenchleyr@aol.com wrote: >>In a message dated 28/01/98 12:48:56, you write: >[snip] >>>Paul >> >>So, in January 2000 you find you have no electricity to run your >>SAM/Spectrum, > >I'm sure that the electricity companies will have that all sorted out by now. Sorry, but they haven't. Best hope is that they will before 2000. The current delay with deregulation of electricity sales is down to computer problems, and they only have so many programmers to draw on. > >>no work because the world has ground to a halt, no > >Erm, don't quite see how the year 2000 bug will affect the running of the >entire world. Governments, banks, business (big and small), all are fighting to avert the problem. Can you imagine the domino effect if just one part of the ecconomy gets it wrong? > >>pension or state hand-outs because there are no computer systems to >>deal with them. Will you still claim the the Millennium Bug has nothing >>to do with you? > >Now this is getting ridiculous. Just admit it, the problem is completely >irrelevant to the SAM and Spectrum. Social Security reckon that they will, just, have their computer system altered in time. However, with money failing to come in due to other computers failing, plus the extra number of claims they will have to deal with because there will be a depression as many companies fail, they honestly don't think they will be able to cope without a big injection of money - from us, the tax payer. >> >>While main-stream publications are only just starting to wake up to the >>problem, FORMAT and FORMAT PC readers have known about it for over a > >Not that you just take news articles straight out of Mainstream magazines, or >have people like SEGA, Canon, and Intel seen that it is really important to >their business that they send press releases to a small magazine for >computers >that can't even use their products? We subscribe (that is, we pay) for two press release services which feed via email. We have another were we go to their web site and download those items we want. We also subscribe to the two big Year 2000 news services. > [snip] > >Lotsaluv > >Stewart. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 29 18:02:05 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <23ee1557.34d06d3d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 06:51:23 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Format and Crashed Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 420 Lines: 17 In a message dated 28/01/98 20:50:18, you write: [snip] > >It may not affect your SAM, but it WILL affect YOU (even if is only you >paying >part of the billions that it is going to cost to sort things out). Do you >really mean you want to know nothing about the Y2K problem? I find that very >hard to believe you know. > >Bill. With bills going into billions, we are all going to be paying through the nose. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 29 18:02:07 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <56d2bd57.34d06d3e@aol.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 06:51:24 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: FORMATs news - was Re: Format and Cr Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1095 Lines: 34 In a message dated 29/01/98 09:05:30, you write: >) > > >> Just thought one or two of you may be interested in what is going on in >the >> real world. > >IBM have stated to the FAA that they cannot guarantee the operation of >their >air traffic control systems after Y2K. > >I hope your "Real World" isn't under the Heathrow flightpaths :) > >Dan. Hark! I hear the sound of a few people being shot down in flames. Ok, just let me have one final say. FORMAT is about the Spectrum, SAM, other Z80 based computers (when we get some input), computers in general and their effect on all of us. The tight-rope walking performed by any editor means that he never gets the balance right for everyone, all the time. At the end of the day the balance has to work well over a longer term. Renewals, and the comments people put on them tell the story for us. If we had people asking for things we were not doing we would try to include them. If too many people object to something we are doing then we may well stop doing it. We just try to please most of the people most of the time. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 29 18:02:07 1998 From: The Mad Goose Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:23:33 GMT+0 Subject: Re: Derek Morgan - New Game X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <43E5E7AC0@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 629 Lines: 24 Bill said: > Do you have a nice side Gavin? You don't come over as having one to me, you > just stir things up and try to score points - how old are you? You sound like > a spoilt ten year old to me. > > Bill. > and then in his next mail said: > >Ah! But a Pay-Station is not a computer is it? > > Love it! Got to use that one on the lad next door :) Erm...wouldn't that be 'trying to score points' off somebody? But enough of this daft bickering - lets get back to a *proper* bunfight... Peace, Love, Kisses... Johnna Pig Teare JPOL: http://www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna "I just want my future to live up to my past..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 29 18:02:09 1998 Message-Id: <199801291257.MAA16405@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:57:03 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: One SAM families... In-reply-to: <0025659A.0055A17D.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1344 Lines: 41 > Virtual Rally = 30quid (discounted when I bought the PSX (129.99 + 30 = > 159.99)) is that like V-Rally? > G-Police = 35quid G-Police is only 35 quid? crikey. thought it was more (pc version's about that price) > Well, umm.. The last time I looked at PC games (i admit was a long > time ago) all the top PC games seemed to go at 45quid. well, sure, some places are going to charge more for the same old. electronics boutique and Game sell em for around 35 quid. if the game's gonna cost more than 35 quid on pc, you gotta ask yourself why. the most expensive game i've bought was Grand Theft Auto. Riven (sequel to Myst) is 45 quid, or something, off the top of my head. Most of that is probably development cost (there's no game in there to speak of... apparently it 'right sucks' ) > I don't know why we are fighting over this for. fighting? no. > Oh silly me, > perhaps someone was thinking about a CD-Writer method of obtaining > PC games and that the PSX has hardware copy protection. Hmmm... does it? probably easy to get around it though. (did i just say that?) i was only mentioning that there is in fact a considerable (not large, but significant) pricing different between PS and PC... which is of course rendered into near-insignificance when you purchase a PS for 100 quid instead of a PC for 1.5 thou. dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 29 18:02:10 1998 From: The Mad Goose Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:53:15 GMT+0 Subject: Re: Format and Crashed X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <4BE050B72@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1064 Lines: 28 > On Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:42:10 EST, BrenchleyR said: > > So, in January 2000 you find you have no electricity to run your SAM/Spectrum, > > no work because the world has ground to a halt, no pension or state hand-outs > > because there are no computer systems to deal with them. > > I think not. Are you one of those people who contributed to recent news > reports claiming that anything containing a processor including lifts and > central heating systems would stop dead on 1/1/2000? In my opinion this > is complete rubbish. i agree. i can't really get my head around the fact that my toaster is going to pack up and things. and what is so bad about computers thinking it is 1900 anyway? > > > While main-stream publications are only just starting to wake up to the > > problem, > > Really? This has been going on for ages, you know. I'm sure I heard it on > "In Business" on Radio 4 well over a year ago. > > imc > Peace, Love, Kisses... Johnna Pig Teare JPOL: http://www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna "I just want my future to live up to my past..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 29 18:02:11 1998 Message-Id: <199801291311.NAA19630@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:10:40 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Text editor - little project for someone? In-reply-to: <01bd2c4a$b01c7920$1014a8c2@sparky> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 866 Lines: 26 > Isn't it annoying to load a word processor like Word Pro or something, just > to view a short .txt or info file of a few lines? you want something like 'type' or 'more' i expect, to view a file as i've said (and, really, feel free to ignore this, as i'm not one for sticking with projects) i'm working on a sort of MS-DOS EDIT like program. anyone know if you can make a simple text viewer / editor 'resident' on the sam? so you could just type in Edit like it was a Basic procedure and it'd start up... without having to do something like swapping in your Edit disk, typing 'Load "EDIT"', swapping back your textfile disk, going to the menu and selecting open, etc... or Edit filename and it'd load it from the disk in the drive... that sorta thing. not a problem if you have a harddrive on your sam, i guess. but, heh, well, i don't, do you? dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 29 18:02:12 1998 Message-Id: <199801291301.NAA17135@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:00:52 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: One SAM families... In-reply-to: <0025659A.0057FFB3.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 408 Lines: 17 > he also bought a Sinclair QL when they were around and was p***ed off > when he realised that he bought a "white elephant" and he couldn't > get rid of it.... my dad bought a ql too. two, in fact. or was it three? lots of gear for it (2 ED drives, um, 50Mhz something or other, ROM this and TRUMP that, yattayattayatta) never uses it of course. still subscribes to the QL magazines of course dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 29 18:02:13 1998 Message-Id: <199801291315.NAA20748@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:14:45 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... In-reply-to: <199801290819.IAA21159@relais1.orctel.co.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1151 Lines: 31 > Are you quite sure about this? Surely the problem is more likely to be in > the ruleset used by gcc when compiling on a K6, or perhaps one of the > manifest bugs of certain Linux 'breeds' (as you so eloquently put it)? > There are more than enough of these already to go round without introducing > yet another level of buginess in the processor itself. It just doesn't bear > thinking about..... umm, well, i've just trawled the internet, and look what i found: not exactly what i thought it was, but hey, so i forgot a few details. and it looks like the problem's been fixed too. so GO GET YR K6 BOB. K6-266 is out now, of course. The AMD-K6 processor has a bug that prevents reliable operation when more than 32 MB of RAM is used. The most common symptoms are segmentation violations (see The SIG11 FAQ) while compiling the Linux kernel. It can be reproduced, up to now, only when doing heavy compilations, probably because only compilations stress the system enough. It is not a gcc problem, as it is sometimes the program that launches gcc (it can be make, or sh) that dies. (etc) http://www.chorus.com/~poulot/k6bug.html dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 29 18:02:14 1998 From: Matthew Craven Organization: UMIST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:28:09 BST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Windows 95 Close Button Positioning In-reply-to: <144d20a.34cf51d0@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.52) Message-ID: <1B088F1877@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 514 Lines: 11 > The point is that it was a retrograde step to move the button to the right, so > that you can accidentally close an application when you really wanted to > max/min it. It goes against ergonomic design. My argument is that users should > be able to configure Windows 95 (+) to look like Win 3.1, it would not have > been difficult, I even understand that one of the early beta 95s had the > option. > As it is I'm waiting for an add on to do it for me. > Bob. "Oh dear" is all I can say about that subject. MJC. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 29 18:02:15 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980129080928.006b9fc4@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:09:28 -0800 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: RE: FORMATs news - was Re: Format and Cr In-Reply-To: <3723DA3001F73000@c2gate.tcom.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 326 Lines: 15 At 08:22 AM 1/29/98 +0000, you wrote: >Status: > > >> Just thought one or two of you may be interested in what is going on in >the >> real world. > >IBM have stated to the FAA that they cannot guarantee the operation of >their >air traffic control systems after Y2K. Who's picking up the tab? IBM or the FAA? Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 29 18:02:16 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980129081549.006b9c4c@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:15:49 -0800 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Format and Crashed In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 502 Lines: 11 At 06:51 AM 1/29/98 EST, you wrote: >It may well be, the real problem is that know body REALLY knows. Central >heating systems will only be a problem if they have electronic control >systems. Many lifts will, they think, give small problems (it would take too >long to explain the root of that problem here). But I for one will be not be >getting on a plane during late '99 or early 2000 - no way will I take the >risk. No, no, please go on... explain exactly why the lifts will have problems. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 29 18:02:17 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980129082344.006b0224@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:23:44 -0800 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Text editor - little project for someone? In-Reply-To: <199801291311.NAA19630@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> References: <01bd2c4a$b01c7920$1014a8c2@sparky> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 245 Lines: 8 At 01:10 PM 1/29/98 +0000, you wrote: >anyone know if you can make a simple text viewer / editor 'resident' >on the sam? Yes, but don't try running any of my early progs at the same time -- they're not generally system heap friendly ;) Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 29 18:02:18 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980129082741.006bbf9c@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:27:41 -0800 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: SAM World - bye bye. In-Reply-To: <2b6009b9.34ce4af1@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 823 Lines: 26 At 04:00 PM 1/27/98 EST, you wrote: >Now, given the day to day involvement that Bob had with Samco, could it not be >just possible that in this case Bob is right? On balance, and without the >input of Alan Miles or Bruce Gordon, I'm inclined in this case to say it is a >no score draw. >HTH. >Bill May I just rewrite that sentence: Now, given the day to day involvement that Simon had with Samco, could it not be just possible that in this case Simon is right? On balance, and without the input of Alan Miles or Bruce Gordon, I'm inclined in this case to say it is a no score draw. (I used to talk to Chris White on a daily basis... and worked at SAMCo myself for not insignificant part of its existence...*) Simon *A week, to be precise. Which, let's be honest, is a not insignificant part of SAMCo's existence. :) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 29 18:02:19 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980129081148.006bb540@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:11:48 -0800 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Windows 95 Close Button Positioning In-Reply-To: <199801291106.LAA22900@chalca.comlab.ox.ac.uk> References: <144d20a.34cf51d0@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 447 Lines: 12 At 11:06 AM 1/29/98 +0000, you wrote: >the buttons do before using them. The Win95 general appearance is nicer >than Win3.1, although its stability is laughable and I only use it because >certain software companies seem to think it's the only system which >exists. Because Microsoft have made the API's an order of magnitude better in Win95 -- and it's flat 32-bit. Still like Win 3.1 though -- moves like a very fast thing on a P133 ;) Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 29 18:02:19 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980129082118.006aef08@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:21:18 -0800 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: FORMATs news - was Re: Format and Crashed In-Reply-To: <651dafd7.34d06d3a@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1561 Lines: 40 At 06:51 AM 1/29/98 EST, you wrote: >Governments, banks, business (big and small), all are fighting to avert the >problem. Can you imagine the domino effect if just one part of the ecconomy >gets it wrong? Lawsuits alone are going to cost millions... ;) BTW: anyone come across the COBOL system date problem? Hitting a computer near you later this year... some dialects of Cobol have a system date which will roll over, causing *EXACTLY* the same problems as the much vaunted Y2K problem. BUT DO YOU HEAR ABOUT IT? Of course not. It's not tied to ...wooooh... the year 2000 change over. The turn of the millenium. The time of the century when we all get to have large amounts of sex, multiple orgasms (for men as well as women), and Tony Blair is revealed to actually be a young clone of Jack Nicholson as the Joker. (Jus' look at that grin!). \>We subscribe (that is, we pay) for two press release services which feed via >email. We have another were we go to their web site and download those items >we want. We also subscribe to the two big Year 2000 news services. YOU WHAT?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? YOU ACTUALLY PAY FOR PRESS RELEASE SERVICES??????????????????????????????????? Gimme a break. Bob -- press /release/ services, other than Reuters, don't usually charge. If those two do, find better FREE ones. Clipping services and PR agencies charge a fee. The onus is on the company making the press release to pay for it; that's WHY press releases work. *sigh* Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 29 18:02:21 1998 Message-Id: <199801291605.QAA25110@relais1.orctel.co.uk> From: David Zambonini To: sam-users Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:04:17 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 526 Lines: 19 > The AMD-K6 processor has a bug that prevents reliable operation when > more than 32 MB of RAM is used. Ooooohhh. There goes my plans for my next computer. > The most common symptoms are segmentation violations (see The SIG11 > FAQ) while compiling the Linux kernel. Ah. even worse, in my opinion. Lucky they've corrected it now. Oh, and if you're willing to splash out a couple of hundred quid, how's this for an interesting idea to speed up the SAM.... http://www.tomshardware.com/kryotech.html Any ideas? DMZ --- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 29 18:02:21 1998 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: sskardon@argonet.co.uk (Stewart Skardon) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 29 Jan 98 16:18:30 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: FORMATs news - was Re: Format and Crashed Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1370 Lines: 42 On Wed 28 Jan 98 (15:19:40), billritman@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 28/01/98 17:21:16, you write: > >> >>>pension or state hand-outs because there are no computer systems to >>>deal with them. Will you still claim the the Millennium Bug has >nothing >>>to do with you? >> >>Now this is getting ridiculous. Just admit it, the problem is >completely >>irrelevant to the SAM and Spectrum. > >Talk Radio did a big spot this morning on the subject. It is thought >that as much as 30% could be wiped off the value of peoples pension >plans as a result of the Y2K bug. They also say that the average >national health service hospital will be able to treat 18% fewer people >in 1999,2000 and 2001 because of the costs of redoing computer systems. > >Just thought one or two of you may be interested in what is going on in >the real world. > >Bill. Fascinating I'm sure , but for the last time, WHAT HAS IT GOT TO DO WITH THE SAM AND SPECTRUM? They might both be getting old, but I'm sure they won't be getting a f@@king pension. > > -- _ (_'tewart email : sskardon@argonet.co.uk ,_)kardon http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/stewart/ Crashed Magazine - The SAM Coupe and ZX Spectrum Magazine. Crashed WWW Site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon Crashed Email - crashed@argonet.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 29 18:02:22 1998 From: The Mad Goose Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:29:08 GMT+0 Subject: This is just a test X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <95CDF761F@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 261 Lines: 9 Just testing...please ignore this one... (I unsubbed earlier today to change my address, but nothing seems to have happened...) Peace, Love, Kisses... Johnna Pig Teare JPOL: http://www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna "I just want my future to live up to my past..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 29 20:35:15 1998 From: Maria Rookyard To: sam-users Subject: Re: FORMATs news - was Re: Format and Crashed Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:08:26 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 387 Lines: 16 ---------- > From: Simon Cooke > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > > turn of the millenium. The time of the century when we all get to have > large amounts of sex, multiple orgasms (for men as well as women), > What, you've got to wait another couple of years? You poor thing! But, of course, that's where I have the advantage over you... Maria. x > Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 29 20:35:15 1998 From: BillRitman@aol.com Message-ID: <772167a6.34d0dbd1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:43:11 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Format and Crashed Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 177 Lines: 11 In a message dated 28/01/98 22:10:55, you write: > >This whole defence of FORMAT's crap news policy is pathetic. > > So I'm pathetic :( But I'll stand by my postings. Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 29 20:35:15 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980129144501.006a5808@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:45:01 -0800 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Text editor - little project for someone? In-Reply-To: <570504b0.34d0dbd4@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 219 Lines: 8 At 02:43 PM 1/29/98 EST, you wrote: >How about Note-Pad in Driver. Could that be extracted and used? Yes, if you want a program that doesn't work correctly, and doesn't have proper keyboard buffering routines. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 29 20:35:16 1998 From: BillRitman@aol.com Message-ID: <590072b2.34d0dbd2@aol.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:43:12 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: FORMATs news (Y2K) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 229 Lines: 11 In a message dated 28/01/98 23:14:25, you write: >) > >Mind you, looking back on the FORMAT news of the last two or three years, >what >percentage of it is SAM-specific? But Format is not a SAM specific magazine is it. Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 29 20:35:16 1998 From: BillRitman@aol.com Message-ID: <570504b0.34d0dbd4@aol.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:43:14 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Text editor - little project for someone? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 569 Lines: 13 In a message dated 29/01/98 00:38:01, you write: > >Isn't it annoying to load a word processor like Word Pro or something, just >to view a short .txt or info file of a few lines? I can't find a decent >little text editor/viewer anywhere. I'm just looking for something like >Notepad, MSDOS's edit or Pico on Unix, which we could use for typing in code >as well, without worrying about control codes. Anyone know of such a little >program or fancy writing one? (Something like the Comet editor). How about Note-Pad in Driver. Could that be extracted and used? Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 29 22:13:12 1998 From: SparkY To: sam-users Subject: Re: Text editor - little project for someone? Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:51:03 -0000 Message-Id: <01bd2cff$fe842e40$0414a8c2@sparky> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 740 Lines: 19 -----Original Message----- From: BillRitman@aol.com >How about Note-Pad in Driver. Could that be extracted and used? > >Bill. It's erm, how should I put it - crap. Type about three lines and then it starts updating at a snail's pace. And if it's built for Driver, surely it would be just as easy to write a new one from scratch? (I dunno, just guessing). Gavin (desperately hoping Bill/Bob will just give over on this Year 2000 crap, especially as no-one is backing "them" up) ============================================== Email: gavin.smith@cableol.co.uk IRC: Undernet's #TheLocal (SparkY or SparkYY) #TheLocal webpage: http://www.infj.ulst.ac.uk/~ckh225 ICQ: 5099913 ============================================== From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 29 22:13:14 1998 X-Authentication-Warning: lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk: pyumi owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:50:51 +0000 (GMT) From: Mark Sturdy X-Sender: pyumi@lily To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: FORMATs news - was Re: Format and Crashed In-Reply-To: <731d3372.34cfaf64@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 287 Lines: 16 On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, BillRitman wrote: > >None of the above neccessarily represents my opinions - I'm just > >amplifying points that others have made. > > What are your opinions then? Withheld in the interests of peace, love and understanding! SRD, Kl'aa-du. Heart beats up love From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 29 23:28:42 1998 From: SparkY To: sam-users Subject: SAM Assemblers Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 23:23:13 -0000 Message-Id: <01bd2d0c$df169ae0$2014a8c2@sparky> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 450 Lines: 13 Quick question - what assemblers do people own/think is best? I've done a bit of machine code on the Speccy, but none on the SAM, and am eager to get started. Thanks! (BTW, who has the Lerm assembler?) Gavin ============================================== Email: gavin.smith@cableol.co.uk IRC: Undernet's #TheLocal (SparkY or SparkYY) #TheLocal webpage: http://www.infj.ulst.ac.uk/~ckh225 ICQ: 5099913 ============================================== From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 29 23:31:47 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980129181345.0069d644@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:13:45 -0800 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: SAM Assemblers In-Reply-To: <01bd2d0c$df169ae0$2014a8c2@sparky> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 387 Lines: 14 At 11:23 PM 1/29/98 -0000, you wrote: >Status: > >Quick question - what assemblers do people own/think is best? I've done a >bit of machine code on the Speccy, but none on the SAM, and am eager to get >started. Thanks! > >(BTW, who has the Lerm assembler?) I did... go for Comet -- it's the best. Actually, go for Comet + Turbomon (which is available from SImon Owen's site) Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 30 10:33:22 1998 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:27:23 +0000 (GMT) From: D A Fulton To: sam-users Subject: Re: SAM Assemblers In-Reply-To: <01bd2d0c$df169ae0$2014a8c2@sparky> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 296 Lines: 11 On Thu, 29 Jan 1998, SparkY wrote: > Quick question - what assemblers do people own/think is best? I've done a > bit of machine code on the Speccy, but none on the SAM, and am eager to get > started. Thanks! > > (BTW, who has the Lerm assembler?) COMET without a doubt. It's excellent. Dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 30 11:52:42 1998 From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <36196669.34d1bbb2@aol.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 06:38:24 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Windows 95 Close Button Positioning Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 783 Lines: 24 In a message dated 29/01/98 20:24:27, you write: > >Ergonomics is more to do with the physical aspect, IIRC the definition >properly. This is more usability. It also has to do with the speed you can do things, one of the factors there is that if you have two things too close together then there is the risk of hitting the wrong one. > >> been difficult, I even understand that one of the early beta 95s had the >> option. > >Run fileman/progman, that should keep you happy. That gets back to some of the 'look and feel' of 3.1, but the buttons are still in the wrong place. I'm told that in the early alpha/beta versions of '95 you could set how the buttons were positioned in a prefs file. Now that would have been a step forward - especially for left-handed people. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 30 11:52:42 1998 From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 06:38:27 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Format and Crashed Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1296 Lines: 32 In a message dated 29/01/98 20:24:29, you write: >. > >No, no, please go on... explain exactly why the lifts will have problems. > >Simon Well, if you are sure.... It is in part the same problem that exists with a lot of MPU contolled systems, including fly-by-wire systems in a lot of aircraft. The timer chips used issue an interrupt, lets say at 50th sec, 1 sec, 1min, 1hour, 12hr, 24hr, week, month, year, century. Now a lot of the software that is written does not understand the interrupt for the century and will either crash the systems or force them into their fail-safe mode. In the case of lifts it may mean that the manual reset has to be pressed to reset the software. In the case of planes????? This problem is most evident in a controller board that has been used in around 60% of all automatic washing machines produced in the last 6 or 7 years. The result on these boards is the machine stops and needs to be emptied by hand and restarted. Problem is that the timer is reset when an engineer pulls the board from the machine for more than about 10mins. This problem therefore will raise its head on peoples machines WAY into the future. Hope this helps explain why KLM will not be flying their planes on Jan 1st 2000 - their pilots may not have clean uniforms :) -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 30 11:52:42 1998 From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 06:38:30 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 547 Lines: 16 In a message dated 29/01/98 20:24:33, you write: > > >umm, well, i've just trawled the internet, and look what i found: >not exactly what i thought it was, but hey, so i forgot a few >details. and it looks like the problem's been fixed too. so GO GET YR >K6 BOB. K6-266 is out now, of course. Well the 233 works fine so far, although I've not swopped to that machine for work yet. And the price of the 266 is a little too high to make the extra little bit of zip worthwhile just yet. Now the 300/333, that may be a different story. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 30 11:52:57 1998 From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 06:38:29 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Format and Crashed Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1891 Lines: 49 In a message dated 29/01/98 20:24:31, you write: >> So, in January 2000 you find you have no electricity to run your >SAM/Spectrum >> no work because the world has ground to a halt, no pension or state >hand-outs >> because there are no computer systems to deal with them. Will you still >claim >> the the Millennium Bug has nothing to do with you? > >I very much doubt that all of the above is true, personally. Neither, to be honest, do I. The truth will only come out during 2000 and the first few years of the next century. My personal opinion is that if you think the worst, and then plan for it, you stand a chance of winning. >But, leaving >that >aside for the minute - I didn't claim it had nothing to do with me. What we >are trying to say is that it's not overwhelmingly relevant to SAM or Speccy. > >Look at it this way. I get info on this problem from websites, from the >hotwired news services, from magazines, from TV people (most of whom are >scaremongering rather than anything useful), and recently from spam. I really >don't want or need it in Format as well! The thing is that each of the sorces you list, including FORMAT, has to work on the premis that they are the only ones talking to the reader - you cannot assume that the readers of any one magazine read/watch/receive their information from any other source. You have to tell them the story and point them to further information so they can get it if they want it. > >> problem, FORMAT and FORMAT PC readers have known about it for over a year. >We >> know it is an interesting subject, we know it will affect our readers, > >I'm sure you do "know" it. This reader, however, doesn't especially want >pages >devoted to it when they could be put to uses more appropriate to `the home of > >z80 computing'. >From the feed-back we get it seems that our readers are pleased with the coverage. > >Paul -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 30 11:52:58 1998 From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <3226e080.34d1bbbb@aol.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 06:38:32 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: FORMATs news - was Re: Format and Crashed Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 835 Lines: 22 In a message dated 29/01/98 20:24:40, you write: >>Just thought one or two of you may be interested in what is going on in >>the real world. >> >>Bill. > > Fascinating I'm sure , but for the last time, WHAT HAS IT >GOT TO DO WITH THE SAM AND SPECTRUM? They might both be getting old, but I'm >sure they won't be getting a f@@king pension. > With the SAM and Spectrum, not much. With SAM and Spectrum OWNERS (who we seek to support) I would say one hell of a lot. We've had two features in FORMAT so far, plus I think a couple of little mentions. Not much really for such an Earth shattering problem. However, as FORMAT PC has a monthly column, a column for which Jenny has received a lot of justifiable acclaim, we keep the content in FORMAT to a minimum and point people to FORMAT PC to find out more. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 30 11:52:59 1998 From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <6a628b5d.34d1bbb9@aol.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 06:38:31 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: FORMATs news (Y2K) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 455 Lines: 19 In a message dated 29/01/98 21:50:39, you write: >In a message dated 28/01/98 23:14:25, you write: > >>) >> >>Mind you, looking back on the FORMAT news of the last two or three years, >>what >>percentage of it is SAM-specific? > >But Format is not a SAM specific magazine is it. > >Bill. No, we try to split as even as possible between Spectrum and SAM, over the average year the balance is reasonable, but possibly a little in SAM's favour. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 30 12:39:25 1998 From: The Mad Goose Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:18:01 GMT+0 Subject: Format and the Y2K (if I MUST call it that...) X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <1C180D5424@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 688 Lines: 18 As regards the current debtate going on about what Bob prints in Format... He's the editor, and at the end of the day it is entirely up to him what he puts in his magazine. Okay, all this Y2K stuff has sod all to do with the Sam or speccy but if Bob thinks that his readers will require the information then it is his prerogative to publish it. He knows his readers as a whole, better than we do. If you don't want to read about it, buy something else (FHM has got the All Saints in this month....) Oh my word, I think I've just supported Bob. ;-) Peace, Love, Kisses... Johnna Pig Teare JPOL: http://www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna "I just want my future to live up to my past..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 30 12:39:26 1998 From: "E.P.R.P. Blink" Organization: Hanzehogeschool Groningen To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:26:42 MET Subject: BDOS with a text editor ? X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <10D609F0745@mail1.pl.hanze.nl> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 357 Lines: 11 For those of you who haven't heared of BDOS yet. BDOS is a Improved SAMDOS. Which I wrote mainly to allow the use of a hard disk using the internal hard disk interface. But it will also work with a single floppy disk only. Now lets say if I would write a smal text editor/viewer and include it in BDOS. What should it be capable of ??? EDwin Blink From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 30 12:39:27 1998 From: Paul Walker Message-Id: <199801301231.MAA15341@lupin.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Format and Crashed In-Reply-To: from "BrenchleyR@aol.com" at "Jan 29, 98 06:51:17 am" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:31:05 +0000 (GMT) X-Approved: bill@whitehouse.gov X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 254 Lines: 6 > systems. Many lifts will, they think, give small problems (it would take too > long to explain the root of that problem here). But I for one will be not be No, it's okay, I'm sure everyone has time. Why would lifts give problems because of the date? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 30 12:48:06 1998 From: The Mad Goose Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:35:43 GMT+0 Subject: Re: BDOS with a text editor ? X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <1C6ED9501B@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 588 Lines: 20 > For those of you who haven't heared of BDOS yet. > BDOS is a Improved SAMDOS. Which I wrote mainly to > allow the use of a hard disk using the internal hard disk interface. > But it will also work with a single floppy disk only. > > Now lets say if I would write a smal text editor/viewer and include > it in BDOS. > > What should it be capable of ??? Reading ASCII files directly from PC disks - that would be very handy... > > EDwin Blink > Peace, Love, Kisses... Johnna Pig Teare JPOL: http://www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna "I just want my future to live up to my past..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 30 12:48:06 1998 From: "E.P.R.P. Blink" Organization: Hanzehogeschool Groningen To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:41:28 MET Subject: REAL TIME CLOCK X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <10D9ECE20D1@mail1.pl.hanze.nl> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 846 Lines: 23 I like to include a clock driver with BDOS I have a driver for the SAMBUS clock. But no information about that clock . I my self use a DALLAS 1287 real time clock. which I ripped of a PC motherboard. The nice thing about it is that this device has a battery and additional components build in. I only needed a 74LS02 to add and build it inside my COMS Interface. Only TWO components to add a clock to a SAM. If using as a stand alone interface a additional 74LS139 needs to be added. In this case THREE components are required. In order to write a clock driver for both SAMBUS and DALLAS clock I need to know which SAMBUS port can be written to without altering the the SAMBUS CLOCK. For info about the DALLAS REAL TIME CLOCK try: Dalsemi.com Have a look at the DALLAS 12887 Data sheet (using acrobat reader) Edwin Blink. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 30 13:49:52 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <0025659B.00328A8B.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:14:11 +0000 Subject: Re: 2000: Time Oddity Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 399 Lines: 15 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So. Because most PC magazines are beginning to catch up with Format, Format should drop the coverage. You may well have a point there. Except what about those people who don't read other magazines? Should they be left in the dark. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Even my Mum knows about the year 2000 bug and she was afraid to touch, even clean, my old PC in case she broke it... Justin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 30 13:49:53 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <0025659B.00321AA0.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:11:43 +0000 Subject: Re: Text editor - little project for someone? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 752 Lines: 20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Isn't it annoying to load a word processor like Word Pro or something, just to view a short .txt or info file of a few lines? I can't find a decent little text editor/viewer anywhere. I'm just looking for something like Notepad, MSDOS's edit or Pico on Unix, which we could use for typing in code as well, without worrying about control codes. Anyone know of such a little program or fancy writing one? (Something like the Comet editor). <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< I tend to use ZDE16 on Pro-DOS for my text editing needs. And I tend to use ZSM assembler aswell (but it's annoying when you can only have 7 characters for lables) so I have no idea what the Comet editor feels like.... Any news on any update for Pro-DOS???? Justin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 30 13:49:53 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <0025659B.0032D26E.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:21:29 +0000 Subject: Re: One SAM families... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 389 Lines: 14 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Haven't bought it yet, but on reading your comments above, my girlfriend has taken an interest in my SAM for the first time ever ;) <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Wow.... I wonder why I can't make such a thing happen in my own love life! :) Let me know her reactions to the game!!! :) (In case anyone is wondering, it's quite a bit like Manic Miner meets Pacman.) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 30 13:49:53 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <0025659B.003CCF40.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:05:17 +0000 Subject: Re: Text editor - little project for someone? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 208 Lines: 9 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We were talking about an editor earlier. :-) I have tended to use FSE - not that it is terribly "little". <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< What is this FSE? I've never heard of it until recently.. From imc Fri Jan 30 13:58:31 1998 Subject: Re: Text editor - little project for someone? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:58:31 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <0025659B.003CCF40.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> from "Justin_Skists@case.co.uk" at Jan 29, 98 11:05:17 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 770 Lines: 17 On Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:05:17 +0000, Justin_Skists@case.co.uk said: > What is this FSE? I've never heard of it until recently.. It's for the Spectrum really. It's on NVG. It was never really released to the public. [A similar description applies to my Spectrum assembler, BIAS.] And then I hacked the Spectrum snapshot to do disk loads and saves on the Sam (hey that sounds familiar...) and now it's on Syncytium (available now from Persona - also includes Sam PLAY, life, Rockfall, oh and a couple of minor things by that other chap as well, ah yes I remember, my brother). [No such luck as far as BIAS is concerned. I intended to do a Sam version, and even got as far as an assembler which understands "LD r,r" instructions and prints out their op codes.] imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 30 14:20:56 1998 Message-ID: <6227DA3001F73000@c2gate.tcom.co.uk> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:48:00 +0000 From: Dan Doore Organization: * To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no (Sam Users Mailing List) Subject: RE: BDOS with a text editor ? Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.30A MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 331 Lines: 14 > Now lets say if I would write a smal text editor/viewer and include > it in BDOS. > > What should it be capable of ??? Mr Cookie - Did the Chimera Project ever get off the ground, since this would be an ideal application for it. Dan. Work: dandoore@bacg.com Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 30 15:28:39 1998 From: SparkY To: sam-users Subject: Re: Format and Crashed Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:54:12 -0000 Message-Id: <01bd2d8e$ed51aa00$1e14a8c2@sparky> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 264 Lines: 13 -----Original Message----- From: BrenchleyR@aol.com >From the feed-back we get it seems that our readers are pleased with the >coverage. >Bob. Lol! Yeah Bob, if this list is anything to go by, your readers are just overjoyed. Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 30 15:28:39 1998 From: SparkY To: sam-users Subject: Re: BDOS with a text editor ? Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:56:37 -0000 Message-Id: <01bd2d8f$43fa6ae0$1e14a8c2@sparky> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 659 Lines: 21 -----Original Message----- From: E.P.R.P. Blink >For those of you who haven't heared of BDOS yet. >BDOS is a Improved SAMDOS. Which I wrote mainly to >allow the use of a hard disk using the internal hard disk interface. >But it will also work with a single floppy disk only. > >Now lets say if I would write a smal text editor/viewer and include >it in BDOS. > >What should it be capable of ??? > >EDwin Blink I like the sound of this!! As small as possible so that it either loads in a flash, or is memory resident (if that's possible). Would be nice if it could read ASCII files from PC disks as Justin or Johnna said. Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 30 15:28:39 1998 Message-Id: <199801301458.OAA26647@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:57:53 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... In-reply-to: <199801291605.QAA25110@relais1.orctel.co.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 498 Lines: 16 > Lucky they've corrected it now. 'so they say' until the next bug is found. no, what am i talking about? i think the K6 rocks. especially when underclocking the 233 to 225 (using a 75mhz bus) > Oh, and if you're willing to splash out a couple of hundred quid, how's > this for an interesting idea to speed up the SAM.... > > http://www.tomshardware.com/kryotech.html are these the same guys who dipped their BBC micro into a vat of the stuff about 15 years ago to get it to run at 200Mhz? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 30 15:28:39 1998 Message-Id: <199801301459.OAA26770@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:58:48 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: SAM Assemblers In-reply-to: <01bd2d0c$df169ae0$2014a8c2@sparky> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 324 Lines: 11 > Quick question - what assemblers do people own/think is best? I've done a > bit of machine code on the Speccy, but none on the SAM, and am eager to get > started. Thanks! want to know what i use? heh - the spectrum assembler 'ZEUS' running under a speccy emulator on the sam... not very efficient, but... free... dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 30 15:28:39 1998 Message-Id: <199801301500.PAA27114@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:00:30 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: SAM Assemblers In-reply-to: <3.0.1.32.19980129181345.0069d644@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> References: <01bd2d0c$df169ae0$2014a8c2@sparky> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 412 Lines: 9 > I did... go for Comet -- it's the best. > > Actually, go for Comet + Turbomon (which is available from SImon Owen's site) can you 'download' comet, or do you have to fork out money for it? i'm still considering doing a tiny assembler for the sam (no editor... just reads the input file and outputs the resulting code) which'd probably integrate nicely with a suitable tiny texteditor i'm also considering. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 30 15:28:39 1998 Message-Id: <199801301516.PAA00855@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:15:49 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: BDOS with a text editor ? In-reply-to: <01bd2d8f$43fa6ae0$1e14a8c2@sparky> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 448 Lines: 17 > >What should it be capable of ??? > > > >EDwin Blink > small or quick to load; can read from PC floppies also; can cope with EOL terminated by either CR, CR/LF or just LF; can edit text files whose size is limited by the storage medium (not the memory of the sam), eg, edit 780K text file on a 256K sam (mine!) people also asking for that key-rollover thing, whatever it's called, for faster typing. if i think of anything else... :) dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 30 15:28:40 1998 Message-Id: <199801301502.PAA27470@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:01:48 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 479 Lines: 12 > Well the 233 works fine so far, although I've not swopped to that machine for > work yet. so you use it for ... ? > And the price of the 266 is a little too high to make the extra > little bit of zip worthwhile just yet. Now the 300/333, that may be a > different story. but you can't get a K6-300 or 333. and you won't be able to either. but the next generation of AMD cpus will probably go up to this speed, i forget what they're called... K7 perhaps? or K63d? whatever. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 30 15:28:41 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980130095923.006aad9c@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 09:59:23 -0800 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: RE: BDOS with a text editor ? In-Reply-To: <6227DA3001F73000@c2gate.tcom.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 354 Lines: 10 At 01:48 PM 1/30/98 +0000, you wrote: >Mr Cookie - Did the Chimera Project ever get off the ground, since this >would be an ideal application for it. It got as far as doing the graphics for the GUI, coding up the progress bars for operations, mouse routines, print routines were started... And then, I stopped work on it and got a proper job ;) Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 30 15:34:24 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980130101229.006ac2f4@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:12:29 -0800 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: BDOS with a text editor ? In-Reply-To: <199801301516.PAA00855@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> References: <01bd2d8f$43fa6ae0$1e14a8c2@sparky> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 968 Lines: 29 At 03:15 PM 1/30/98 +0000, you wrote: >Status: > >> >What should it be capable of ??? >> > >> >EDwin Blink >> > >small or quick to load; >can read from PC floppies also; >can cope with EOL terminated by either CR, CR/LF or just LF; >can edit text files whose size is limited by the storage medium (not >the memory of the sam), eg, edit 780K text file on a 256K sam (mine!) > >people also asking for that key-rollover thing, whatever it's called, >for faster typing. > >if i think of anything else... :) Should edit in 2K blocks (internally) so that speed is not impaired due to shifting data around too much when text is inserted. More blocks added in the middle by adding them to the chain -- so each block would require a next-block pointer. 2K scratch area in the code page for moving stuff around... 256 key keyboard buffer -- must be scanned every 50th of a sec, or some typists will outrun it... (This is all what I found from working on Termite) Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 30 15:58:26 1998 Message-Id: <199801301535.PAA05369@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:35:09 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: BDOS with a text editor ? In-reply-to: <3.0.1.32.19980130101229.006ac2f4@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> References: <199801301516.PAA00855@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 485 Lines: 12 > around... 256 key keyboard buffer -- must be scanned every 50th of a sec, > or some typists will outrun it... i had a dream. in this dream, the keyboard was scanned CONTINUOUSLY and instead, every 50th sec, a consumer routine was called to act on the data as an ISR. any ideas? would this work? solves the problem of missed keypresses (probably) but you gotta code your consumer routines carefully so the return control to the keyboard scanner within at most 1/50th sec. dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 30 15:58:27 1998 From: "E.P.R.P. Blink" Organization: Hanzehogeschool Groningen To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:37:40 MET Subject: 256K upgrade X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <1108F2A06BA@mail1.pl.hanze.nl> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 670 Lines: 24 reading Dave Hooper's reply on "BDOS text ..." mentioning having a 256 K SAM. Just reminding me I have some spare RAMs for the SAM If anybody is interrested. Upgrading to 512K can be easely done by soldering the RAMs on top of the other ones in the SAM. I have a info sheet about how to to it. Im willing to sell two RAMS and info sheet for 20 Guilders (less than 7 pounds). Please check out if I haven't run out of them before sending off money. Email me on E.P.R.P.Blink@pl.hanze.nl or mail me at: Edwin Blink Kremersheerd 63 9737 PK Groningen Holland or phone me: +310505425674 From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 30 15:58:28 1998 Message-Id: <199801301547.PAA08340@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:47:18 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: BDOS with a text editor ? In-reply-to: <3.0.1.32.19980130101229.006ac2f4@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> References: <199801301516.PAA00855@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1009 Lines: 23 > Should edit in 2K blocks (internally) so that speed is not impaired due to > shifting data around too much when text is inserted. More blocks added in > the middle by adding them to the chain -- so each block would require a > next-block pointer. 2K scratch area in the code page for moving stuff would it maybe be better to have variable-length blocks? when the file is read it initially consists of one entire block (or several if its easier to consider a blocks of at most 16K) when text is inserted, the block it is inserted into is split into two blocks, AT the point of insertion. A new 'scratch' block is created at this point to handle the insertion of text (could be because of a PASTE operation, or could just be more typing). Each block now requires, at the start of the block, a few bytes saying the length of this block, as well as, at the end of this block, a pointer to the next block. When the editor is idle, it can concatenate blocks and defragment the memory. any ideas? dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 30 15:58:28 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980130102418.006b5fe4@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:24:18 -0800 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: BDOS with a text editor ? In-Reply-To: <199801301535.PAA05369@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> References: <3.0.1.32.19980130101229.006ac2f4@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> <199801301516.PAA00855@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 320 Lines: 9 >any ideas? would this work? solves the problem of missed keypresses >(probably) but you gotta code your consumer routines carefully so the >return control to the keyboard scanner within at most 1/50th sec. Might do -- but keybounce would become intolerable. You're better off working on games that way... ;) Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 30 15:58:32 1998 Message-Id: <199801301548.PAA08590@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:48:29 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: BDOS with a text editor ? In-reply-to: <3.0.1.32.19980130102418.006b5fe4@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> References: <199801301535.PAA05369@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 154 Lines: 4 > Might do -- but keybounce would become intolerable. i'd assumed the sam keyboard had also the necessary debounce circuitry. or am i just being naive? From imc Fri Jan 30 16:11:45 1998 Subject: Re: BDOS with a text editor ? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:11:45 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <199801301516.PAA00855@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> from "Dave Hooper" at Jan 30, 98 03:15:49 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 724 Lines: 20 On Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:15:49 +0000, Dave Hooper said: > small or quick to load; It won't be small if it's required to load and save files... > can read from PC floppies also; ... *especially* if it has to do PC format disks. When I was writing less I discovered I had to spend weeks on the disk handling stuff, and that's just for Sam format. > can cope with EOL terminated by either CR, CR/LF or just LF; > can edit text files whose size is limited by the storage medium (not > the memory of the sam), eg, edit 780K text file on a 256K sam (mine!) Incidentally, less does both of those from the read-only point of view. There is little point in having a "small" editor which can edit 780K text files, I think. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 30 16:12:37 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980130104818.006b7840@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:48:18 -0800 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: BDOS with a text editor ? In-Reply-To: <199801301547.PAA08340@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> References: <3.0.1.32.19980130101229.006ac2f4@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> <199801301516.PAA00855@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 832 Lines: 20 At 03:47 PM 1/30/98 +0000, you wrote: >would it maybe be better to have variable-length blocks? >when the file is read it initially consists of one entire block (or >several if its easier to consider a blocks of at most 16K) >when text is inserted, the block it is inserted into is split into >two blocks, AT the point of insertion. A new 'scratch' block is >created at this point to handle the insertion of text (could be >because of a PASTE operation, or could just be more typing). >Each block now requires, at the start of the block, a few bytes >saying the length of this block, as well as, at the end of this >block, a pointer to the next block. > >When the editor is idle, it can concatenate blocks and defragment the >memory. Yep, that's what I meant. But the largest size you should have for a block is 2K. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 30 16:12:38 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980130104839.006b5b80@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:48:39 -0800 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: BDOS with a text editor ? In-Reply-To: <199801301548.PAA08590@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> References: <3.0.1.32.19980130102418.006b5fe4@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> <199801301535.PAA05369@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 301 Lines: 13 At 03:48 PM 1/30/98 +0000, you wrote: >Status: > >> Might do -- but keybounce would become intolerable. > >i'd assumed the sam keyboard had also the necessary debounce >circuitry. or am i just being naive? You're being naive. The SAM keyboard is connected directly to the Z80, sort of ;) Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 31 00:14:38 1998 Message-Id: <199801301630.QAA17601@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:29:47 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: BDOS with a text editor ? In-reply-to: <3.0.1.32.19980130104818.006b7840@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> References: <199801301547.PAA08340@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 119 Lines: 9 > Yep, that's what I meant. But the largest size you should have for a block > is 2K. ahh! right! cle-ver...! dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 31 00:14:39 1998 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: sskardon@argonet.co.uk (Stewart Skardon) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 30 Jan 98 17:09:34 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: 256K upgrade Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 835 Lines: 30 On Fri 30 Jan 98 (16:37:40), e.p.r.p.blink@pl.hanze.nl wrote: >reading Dave Hooper's reply on "BDOS text ..." mentioning having a 256 >K SAM. > >Just reminding me I have some spare RAMs for the SAM >If anybody is interrested. > >Upgrading to 512K can be easely done by soldering the RAMs Cue the remarks from Bob about it not being wise, and that it will invalidate out warranties (which ran out about 5 years ago anyway.) >on top of the other ones in the SAM. I have a info sheet about how to >to it. [snip] > -- _ (_'tewart email : sskardon@argonet.co.uk ,_)kardon http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/stewart/ Crashed Magazine - The SAM Coupe and ZX Spectrum Magazine. Crashed WWW Site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon Crashed Email - crashed@argonet.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 31 00:14:40 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ILGW @ C&L NL @ C&L INT @ C&L INT EXTERNAL@INTERLIANT @ OUTBOUND From: Stefan Drissen To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Message-ID: <8625659C.00686F57.00@internet-503.interliant.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 17:42:06 +0100 Subject: Re: SAM Assemblers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 992 Lines: 30 COMET - definitely. And if you're not convinced by the "top bods"... 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Any form of reproduction, dissemination, copying, disclosure, modification, distribution and/or publication of this E-mail message is strictly prohibited. **************************************** From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 31 00:16:30 1998 From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Windows 95 Close Button Positioning Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:25:50 GMT Message-ID: <34d3269f.21465531@mail.enterprise.net> References: <3.0.1.32.19980128181844.006b22e8@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980128181844.006b22e8@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 906 Lines: 28 On Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:18:44 -0800, you wrote: >>be able to configure Windows 95 (+) to look like Win 3.1, it would not have >>been difficult, I even understand that one of the early beta 95s had the >>option. > >*shrugs* Once you get used to it, it feels a lot better. And you don't make >the mistake. > >As an alternative, double-click on the title bar of a window to >maximize/restore it, and stick to the minimise button to minimise it. I hadn't thought of this gripe, and I wondered why people were moaning at first. However, the close button is a bit too near the resize button - especially if you`re a bit of a poor shot with the mouse pointer. I think it pretty strange that there should be two ways of closing apps - unless there`s a difference between the way it closes them? Hmmm.. and I tried to ignore the millenium bug thread. This one has got to be even worse! :) Bye, Dave Whitmore From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 31 00:16:30 1998 From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Windows 95 Close Button Positioning Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:25:50 GMT Message-ID: <34d3269f.21465531@mail.enterprise.net> References: <3.0.1.32.19980128181844.006b22e8@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980128181844.006b22e8@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 906 Lines: 28 On Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:18:44 -0800, you wrote: >>be able to configure Windows 95 (+) to look like Win 3.1, it would not have >>been difficult, I even understand that one of the early beta 95s had the >>option. > >*shrugs* Once you get used to it, it feels a lot better. And you don't make >the mistake. > >As an alternative, double-click on the title bar of a window to >maximize/restore it, and stick to the minimise button to minimise it. I hadn't thought of this gripe, and I wondered why people were moaning at first. However, the close button is a bit too near the resize button - especially if you`re a bit of a poor shot with the mouse pointer. I think it pretty strange that there should be two ways of closing apps - unless there`s a difference between the way it closes them? Hmmm.. and I tried to ignore the millenium bug thread. This one has got to be even worse! :) Bye, Dave Whitmore From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 31 00:18:20 1998 From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Text editor - little project for someone? Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:25:49 GMT Message-ID: <34d2245c.20886166@mail.enterprise.net> References: <199801291059.KAA22872@chalca.comlab.ox.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <199801291059.KAA22872@chalca.comlab.ox.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 882 Lines: 26 On Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:59:30 +0000 (GMT), you wrote: >On Thu, 29 Jan 1998 00:13:12 -0000, SparkY said: >> Isn't it annoying to load a word processor like Word Pro or something, just >> to view a short .txt or info file of a few lines? > >I have "less" for viewing text files. Officially it's only half finished, >but that looks like remaining so until the end of time... and damn good it is too! BTW, silly me has found out that earlier versions - notably the standard version of SIM Coupe lets you save to DSK files. I`d just gone for the latest development version instead of looking for the standard one. Bloody PC newbie, eh! :) Does anyone know if there is anything for accessing - i.e. swapping files around on DSK files - outside SIM Coupe itself? I know I can swap stuff around the two drives, but I just wondered if there's anything else. >imc Bye, Dave Whitmore From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 31 00:18:20 1998 From: BillRitman@aol.com Message-ID: <3227b613.34d23191@aol.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:01:19 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: FORMATs news - was Re: Format and Cr Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 335 Lines: 15 In a message dated 29/01/98 20:24:19, you write: >> >>IBM have stated to the FAA that they cannot guarantee the operation of >>their >>air traffic control systems after Y2K. > >Who's picking up the tab? IBM or the FAA? > >Simon Doesn't matter really does it, in the end it will always be us saps at the bottom that pay :( Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 31 00:18:21 1998 From: BillRitman@aol.com Message-ID: <1626229d.34d23192@aol.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:01:20 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: FORMATs news - was Re: Format and Crashed Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 504 Lines: 15 In a message dated 29/01/98 20:24:40, you write: > > Fascinating I'm sure , but for the last time, WHAT HAS IT >GOT TO DO WITH THE SAM AND SPECTRUM? They might both be getting old, but I'm >sure they won't be getting a f@@king pension. > > No need to shout, you may wake everybody up.... It has something to do with every man, woman and child on this planet. The users of the Spectrum and SAM computers live on this planet (I think). Therefore it is something to do with us. Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 31 00:18:22 1998 From: BillRitman@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:01:23 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: FORMATs news - was Re: Format and Crashed Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 223 Lines: 11 In a message dated 30/01/98 01:10:46, you write: >> What are your opinions then? > >Withheld in the interests of peace, love and understanding! > > Well email them direct then, I promis not to fall out with you. Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 31 00:18:27 1998 From: BillRitman@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:01:21 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Text editor - little project for someone? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 351 Lines: 14 In a message dated 29/01/98 21:50:40, you write: >At 02:43 PM 1/29/98 EST, you wrote: >>How about Note-Pad in Driver. Could that be extracted and used? > > >Yes, if you want a program that doesn't work correctly, and doesn't have >proper keyboard buffering routines. > >Simon Never said it was perfect did I, but it would make a good start. Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 31 00:18:29 1998 Message-Id: <199801302008.UAA15229@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 20:08:20 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: FORMATs news - was Re: Format and Crashed In-reply-to: <1626229d.34d23192@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 377 Lines: 14 > It has something to do with every man, woman and child on this planet. The > users of the Spectrum and SAM computers live on this planet (I think). this is true > Therefore it is something to do with us. yes, but this is not answering the question what does it have to do with the actual SAM and Spectrum machines? not a great deal. the users, yes. the computers, no. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 31 00:18:30 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980130155554.00693d3c@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:55:54 -0800 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Windows 95 Close Button Positioning In-Reply-To: <34d3269f.21465531@mail.enterprise.net> References: <3.0.1.32.19980128181844.006b22e8@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> <3.0.1.32.19980128181844.006b22e8@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 787 Lines: 24 >I hadn't thought of this gripe, and I wondered why people were moaning >at first. However, the close button is a bit too near the resize >button - especially if you`re a bit of a poor shot with the mouse >pointer. I think it pretty strange that there should be two ways of >closing apps - unless there`s a difference between the way it closes >them? Well.. the left-hand icon gives you the application system menu. The default action of that menu when double-clicked in 3.1 was to close the window. They kept the same default action when they moved to 95. It also lets you: Restore Minimize Maximize Close Resize... all from the keyboard (as well as CTRL-F4 closing the window ;)) It also gives you access to other options -- like, say on Eudora, the "Check Mail..." option. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 31 00:18:32 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980130155703.00697000@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:57:03 -0800 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Text editor - little project for someone? In-Reply-To: <34d2245c.20886166@mail.enterprise.net> References: <199801291059.KAA22872@chalca.comlab.ox.ac.uk> <199801291059.KAA22872@chalca.comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 491 Lines: 13 At 07:25 PM 1/30/98 GMT, you wrote: >Does anyone know if there is anything for accessing - i.e. swapping >files around on DSK files - outside SIM Coupe itself? I know I can >swap stuff around the two drives, but I just wondered if there's >anything else. You've just given me an idea for a program :) Simon ps. Thinking about maybe adding wider functionality to the DSK format... or adding another one. Will talk to Allan soon about this. Might mean you can run Prince of Persia on it ;) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 31 00:18:34 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980130155848.00697dec@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:58:48 -0800 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Text editor - little project for someone? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 232 Lines: 8 At 03:01 PM 1/30/98 EST, you wrote: >Never said it was perfect did I, but it would make a good start. Provided you could get the source code, I agree with you. Though it may be too linked into Driver to make it worthwhile. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 31 00:18:35 1998 Message-ID: <34D2449A.DC7@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 21:22:34 +0000 From: Mark Sturdy X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: FORMATs news - was Re: Format and Crashed References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 354 Lines: 24 BillRitman@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 30/01/98 01:10:46, you write: > > >> What are your opinions then? > > > >Withheld in the interests of peace, love and understanding! > > > > > > Well email them direct then, I promis not to fall out with you. > > Bill. Sorry, what was the question again? -- SRD, Kl'aa-du. Heart beats up love From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 31 00:18:39 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980130162337.00697f44@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:23:37 -0800 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: FORMATs news - was Re: Format and Crashed In-Reply-To: <34D2449A.DC7@csv.warwick.ac.uk> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 195 Lines: 10 At 09:22 PM 1/30/98 +0000, you wrote: >> Well email them direct then, I promis not to fall out with you. >> >> Bill. > >Sorry, what was the question again? Don't do it Mark -- he's BOB! Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 31 00:20:19 1998 From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: FORMATs news - was Re: Format and Crashed Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 21:24:11 GMT Message-ID: <34d830f4.24110677@mail.enterprise.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 778 Lines: 27 On Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:08:26 -0000, you wrote: Hello Maria, Long time no see. :) >> turn of the millenium. The time of the century when we all get to have >> large amounts of sex, multiple orgasms (for men as well as women), >> >What, you've got to wait another couple of years? You poor thing! But, of >course, that's where I have the advantage over you... y'mean the multiple bit? Bugger.. Martin Rookyard... We know what you get up to! :) Ha! Trust a woman to come on here and start bragging about their infinitely superior capacity! Martin! While I admire your hardware capabilities, and your wisdom where video digitising is concerened, there comes a time when I have to say, " Oi, Martin Rookyard - Keep that woman under control!!" :-) Bye, Dave Whitmore From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 31 00:22:25 1998 From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: SIM Coupe - wish list. Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 21:24:13 GMT Message-ID: <34d24128.28259183@mail.enterprise.net> References: <0025659B.00321AA0.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <0025659B.00321AA0.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 790 Lines: 28 On Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:11:43 +0000, you wrote: >Any news on any update for Pro-DOS???? > >Justin No, but Pro-DOS sounds like a good item for the SIM Coupe wish-list. How about some kind of add-on thing to recognise some kind of C/PM .dsk file format? I know Allan is busy with various things, but it shouldn't stop us talking about stuff we'd like to see added to SIM Coupe. For starters, I'd like a proper front end menu, with various options like how many megs external RAM, whether you want sound or not, etc. Similar to the front-end of UAE. These things can easily be done from DOS or a batch file, but I think it'd be a nice addition. And if people didn't want the front-end, then they could switch it out using a command line parameter... Anyone else? Bye, Dave Whitmore From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 31 00:22:25 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980130163038.0069ab8c@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:30:38 -0800 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: FORMATs news - was Re: Format and Crashed In-Reply-To: <34d830f4.24110677@mail.enterprise.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 403 Lines: 13 At 09:24 PM 1/30/98 GMT, you wrote: >Ha! Trust a woman to come on here and start bragging about their >infinitely superior capacity! > >Martin! While I admire your hardware capabilities, and your wisdom >where video digitising is concerened, there comes a time when I have >to say, " Oi, Martin Rookyard - Keep that woman under control!!" :-) ***lol*** Which reminds me... I miss Hula Hoops :( Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 31 00:22:26 1998 Message-ID: <34D24956.2A8D@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 21:42:46 +0000 From: Mark Sturdy X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: NSSS References: <199801180949_MC2-2FB9-600B@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 134 Lines: 13 Hi Darren, Just a quick note to ask whether Fred or Saturn will be at the NSSS on Feb 28th? SRD, Kl'aa-du. Heart beats up love From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 31 00:22:27 1998 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 22:49:42 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Ian Dalziel Subject: Re: Format and Crashed In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.04 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1475 Lines: 34 In article , BillRitman writes ... >>Ah, so the biggest crisis since computers were invented is not of interest to >>SAM and Spectrum users? ... >Am I alone in reading, and enjoying, Jenny's "Millennium Files". No, but am _I_ alone in wishing for a little healthy scepticism, rather than giving support to every scare story which surfaces? Bob has been programming almost as long as I have, and has more experience of clock devices (he must have, he was selling them a year ago ), so I must be stating the bleeding obvious when I say : Nothing can be affected in the slightest by the year clocking over to 2000 UNLESS IT KNOWS WHAT YEAR IT IS IN THE FIRST PLACE! Microwaves are not going to go wrong, most VCRs are not going to go wrong, hospital life support systems are not going to go wrong - because none of these things know or care what year it is. There was a blurb in Computer Weekly recently with an incubator on the front cover - the work of an incubator is time-critical, sure, but who ever set up the year in an incubator? I ask you - what's it going to do? Send the kid a birthday card a year later? >From my experience, there wil be a crisis, but it won't be because of any "Millennium Bug" - it will because managers who don't know a program from a sonnet are having perfectly good systems ripped out and replaced at breakneck speed by largely untested "Y2K compliant" piles of dung. -- Ian Dalziel From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 31 00:22:28 1998 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 22:59:49 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Ian Dalziel Subject: Re: Format and Crashed In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980129081549.006b9c4c@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.04 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 824 Lines: 19 In article <3.0.1.32.19980129081549.006b9c4c@nessie.mcc.ac.uk>, Simon Cooke writes ... > explain exactly why the lifts will have problems. ... Well, some lifts - precious bloody few, I might add - have security systems that restrict access to certain floors on certain days, so they need to know what day it is, so they need a calendar. Personally, I think anyone writing a calendar program, even in the seventies, would have allowed for the twenty-first century, but anyway, that's the root of the story. Why don't we have articles about those Emails that melt your hard disk, infect all your friends and feed yor grandmother to the Bugblatter Beast of Traal, or whatever it is, while we're at it? Those sound pretty menacing too - if you know f*** all about computers, that is. -- Ian Dalziel From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 31 00:22:29 1998 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 23:05:34 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Ian Dalziel Subject: Re: Format and Crashed In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.04 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1016 Lines: 24 In article , BrenchleyR@aol.com writes > >This problem is most evident in a controller board that has been used in >around 60% of all automatic washing machines produced in the last 6 or 7 >years. The result on these boards is the machine stops and needs to be emptied >by hand and restarted. Problem is that the timer is reset when an engineer >pulls the board from the machine for more than about 10mins. This problem >therefore will raise its head on peoples machines WAY into the future. > Bob, when did you last set the year on your washing machine? It's one of those tiresome little chores I never seem to get round to... Even if there's a century interrupt, unless someone took the unthinkable trouble to load in the date, it isn't going to clock over until the machine's a hundred years old. The longest I ever kept a washing machine going was sixteen years, and by then it was packing up every week - Hey, do you think it had a Millennium Bug? Er... Bollocks? -- Ian Dalziel From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 31 00:22:30 1998 X-Authentication-Warning: holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk: pyumi owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 23:39:16 +0000 (GMT) From: Mark Sturdy X-Sender: pyumi@holly To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: NSSS In-Reply-To: <34D24956.2A8D@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 350 Lines: 27 Why in the name of arse did this go to the list instead of Darren's personal address. Bloody computers. On Fri, 30 Jan 1998, Mark Sturdy wrote: > Hi Darren, > > Just a quick note to ask whether Fred or Saturn will be at the NSSS on > Feb 28th? > > > SRD, > > > > Kl'aa-du. > > Heart beats up love > SRD, Kl'aa-du. Heart beats up love From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 31 00:22:31 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980130155703.00697000@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> References: <34d2245c.20886166@mail.enterprise.net> <199801291059.KAA22872@chalca.comlab.ox.ac.uk> <199801291059.KAA22872@chalca.comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 00:17:43 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Text editor - little project for someone? X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id AAA27446 Status: RO Content-Length: 1681 Lines: 40 At 11:57 pm +0000 30/1/98, Simon Cooke wrote: >>Does anyone know if there is anything for accessing - i.e. swapping >>files around on DSK files - outside SIM Coupe itself? I know I can >>swap stuff around the two drives, but I just wondered if there's >>anything else. > >You've just given me an idea for a program :) Since downloading the MacOS compilation of SimCoupe I've had more or less the same idea - but so far I haven't had time to do anything about it. The MacOs version cannot read actual Sam disks at all, as far as I know. And I don't know of a Mac program which can read the disk into a .DSK file like linux can. If you write yours soon, could you try to make it mostly platform independent? I'd like to use a similar program without having to completely write it myself... >ps. Thinking about maybe adding wider functionality to the DSK format... or >adding another one. Will talk to Allan soon about this. Might mean you can >run Prince of Persia on it ;) I'd guess it's better to invent a new format rather than change the existing one - especially since the .DSK files are just the files you get from a standard operation on linux. It's all extra work for Allan though.... Andrew --- +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ | Andrew Collier | LOKTLOKTNVS'n'0TTDS'n'3LOKTLOKTYRUAQT1YRUAT3 | | 1B NatSci at Selwyn | ICUQ4LADB4U2R1ICXp2M£UICXp4XTC | | Contact: asc25@cam.ac.uk | 1-0 1-0B9'n'RTB4IOUATUR32NV0 | | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk | ICAG#2?RSVPASAP'nIC.B2KTICQTRIP | +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 31 00:25:44 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980130192001.006a1b34@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:20:01 -0800 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Text editor - little project for someone? In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.19980130155703.00697000@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> <34d2245c.20886166@mail.enterprise.net> <199801291059.KAA22872@chalca.comlab.ox.ac.uk> <199801291059.KAA22872@chalca.comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 342 Lines: 9 At 12:17 AM 1/31/98 +0000, you wrote: >If you write yours soon, could you try to make it mostly platform >independent? I'd like to use a similar program without having to completely >write it myself... Yeah -- no probs -- I'll just do it in plain C. It'll be mainly file fiddling, that's all. Sectors become cursor values, etc etc... Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 31 01:24:56 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980130192001.006a1b34@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> References: <3.0.1.32.19980130155703.00697000@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> <34d2245c.20886166@mail.enterprise.net> <199801291059.KAA22872@chalca.comlab.ox.ac.uk> <199801291059.KAA22872@chalca.comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 01:20:46 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Text editor - little project for someone? X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id BAA28105 Status: RO Content-Length: 1265 Lines: 31 At 3:20 am +0000 31/1/98, Simon Cooke wrote: >At 12:17 AM 1/31/98 +0000, you wrote: >>If you write yours soon, could you try to make it mostly platform >>independent? I'd like to use a similar program without having to completely >>write it myself... > >Yeah -- no probs -- I'll just do it in plain C. It'll be mainly file >fiddling, that's all. Sectors become cursor values, etc etc... Granted, moving files around on the .dsk files is easy enough to do console-based. But, perhaps, actually getting the hard-disk-filenames of the actual files to load or save would probably be easier with platform-specific OS calls (ie standard load/save dialogue boxes). Anything like that could go in seperated functions, which could easily be replaced for other compilations. Just my 0.02 Andrew --- +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ | Andrew Collier | LOKTLOKTNVS'n'0TTDS'n'3LOKTLOKTYRUAQT1YRUAT3 | | 1B NatSci at Selwyn | ICUQ4LADB4U2R1ICXp2M£UICXp4XTC | | Contact: asc25@cam.ac.uk | 1-0 1-0B9'n'RTB4IOUATUR32NV0 | | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk | ICAG#2?RSVPASAP'nIC.B2KTICQTRIP | +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 31 01:31:27 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980130202507.006a50dc@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 20:25:07 -0800 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Text editor - little project for someone? In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.19980130192001.006a1b34@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> <3.0.1.32.19980130155703.00697000@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> <34d2245c.20886166@mail.enterprise.net> <199801291059.KAA22872@chalca.comlab.ox.ac.uk> <199801291059.KAA22872@chalca.comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 449 Lines: 14 >Granted, moving files around on the .dsk files is easy enough to do >console-based. But, perhaps, actually getting the hard-disk-filenames of >the actual files to load or save would probably be easier with >platform-specific OS calls (ie standard load/save dialogue boxes). Anything >like that could go in seperated functions, which could easily be replaced >for other compilations. > >Just my 0.02 *nods* How about a C-based SAM I/O API? Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 31 01:31:27 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980130202628.006a27d8@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 20:26:28 -0800 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Text editor - little project for someone? In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.19980130192001.006a1b34@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> <3.0.1.32.19980130155703.00697000@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> <34d2245c.20886166@mail.enterprise.net> <199801291059.KAA22872@chalca.comlab.ox.ac.uk> <199801291059.KAA22872@chalca.comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 573 Lines: 14 >Granted, moving files around on the .dsk files is easy enough to do >console-based. But, perhaps, actually getting the hard-disk-filenames of >the actual files to load or save would probably be easier with >platform-specific OS calls (ie standard load/save dialogue boxes). Anything >like that could go in seperated functions, which could easily be replaced >for other compilations. <+DREAM> Actuallly... scratch that... how about a JAVA based one? Now *that* should be easy, platform independent, and we can take the whole GUI from platform to platform. <-DREAM> Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 31 09:11:41 1998 From: Martin Rookyard To: SamUsers Subject: re: Glass Houses Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 00:19:33 -0000 Message-ID: <01bd2ddd$e8edc1c0$0100007f@adiemus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01BD2DDD.E8EDC1C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 4271 Lines: 122 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BD2DDD.E8EDC1C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >On another point: I once responded to a request for a SAM hardware design. > > I sent off the prototype for evaluation complete with two copies of = a > >contract to be completed if the design was accepted... and heard = nothing > >for several months. I then phoned, and was told it was too expensive > >("rubbish" in my opinion) and asked for the prototype and contracts = to be > >returned. This was at least three years ago and I am still waiting. = > >Maybe I should have sent an SAE ? >=20 > Again, untrue. You sent a slightly reworked prototype of the digitiser you had > been working on for MGT. This was forwarded by me, with your complete > agreement (following several phone calls) to Adrian Parker at Blue = Alpha > Electronics. He produced a list of complaints/ suggestions about the interface > which he forwarded directly to you as I had asked him to deal with the > project. IIRC, and it is a long time ago, the main complaint was on = price > (which you may, in your opinion, consider to be rubbish, but at least = I saw > Adrian's costings). The other complaint was simply that it really did = not work > anywhere near well enough to be commercially viable - he made a = detailed list > comparing your prototype to several other interfaces on different machines. >=20 > Again, IIRC, you phoned me several months latter to say that you were = no > longer interested in continuing with the project and could I get = Adrian to > return the board - this, as far as I know, he did. > > > >Martin Sorry Bob try again - I was not talking about the Digitizer....=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BD2DDD.E8EDC1C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> >On another point:  I once responded to a request for = a SAM=20 hardware
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> > I sent off the prototype for evaluation = complete with two copies of a
> >contract to be completed if = the design=20 was accepted... and heard nothing
> >for several months. I then = phoned,=20 and was told it was too expensive
> >("rubbish" in my = opinion)  and asked for the prototype and contracts = to
be
>=20 >returned.   This was at least three years ago and I am = still=20 waiting.
> >Maybe I should have sent an SAE ?
>
> = Again,=20 untrue. You sent a slightly reworked prototype of the digitiser
you=20 had
> been working on for MGT. This was forwarded by me, with your = complete
> agreement (following several phone calls) to Adrian = Parker at=20 Blue Alpha
> Electronics. He produced a list of complaints/ = suggestions=20 about the
interface
> which he forwarded directly to you as I = had asked=20 him to deal with the
> project. IIRC, and it is a long time ago, = the main=20 complaint was on price
> (which you may, in your opinion, consider = to be=20 rubbish, but at least I
saw
> Adrian's costings). The other = complaint=20 was simply that it really did not
work
> anywhere near well = enough to=20 be commercially viable - he made a detailed
list
> comparing = your=20 prototype to several other interfaces on different
machines.
> =
>=20 Again, IIRC, you phoned me several months latter to say that you were = no
>=20 longer interested in continuing with the project and could I get=20 Adrian
to
> return the board - this, as far as I know, he = did.
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> >Martin
 
 
Sorry Bob  try again  = -  I was=20 not talking about the Digitizer.... 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BD2DDD.E8EDC1C0-- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 31 12:07:39 1998 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: sskardon@argonet.co.uk (Stewart Skardon) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 31 Jan 98 11:55:06 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: SIM Coupe - wish list. Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 968 Lines: 31 Hello everyone. Do you know what I wish for in regards to SIM Coupe? A copy that is completely platfrom portable. I'd love to compile it on my 220MHZ Acorn RISC PC, but it just won't work. :-( My PC second processor card just isn't fast enough, and I can't afford to upgrade it, and when I try and run it with the sound options, it just crashes straight away. :-( Allan, seeing as you are going to work at ARM, couldn't you get your hands on a StrongARM machine and debug it? (If that's the right way of putting it.) Stewart. Who is too crap at programming to even consider doing this task himself. P.S Mark, why is YOUR server bouncing MY mail? -- _ (_'tewart email : sskardon@argonet.co.uk ,_)kardon http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/stewart/ Crashed Magazine - The SAM Coupe and ZX Spectrum Magazine. Crashed WWW Site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon Crashed Email - crashed@argonet.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 31 12:36:41 1998 From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Text editor - little project for someone? Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:29:49 GMT Message-ID: <34d74642.29565434@mail.enterprise.net> References: <199801291059.KAA22872@chalca.comlab.ox.ac.uk> <199801291059.KAA22872@chalca.comlab.ox.ac.uk> <3.0.1.32.19980130155703.00697000@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980130155703.00697000@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1088 Lines: 34 On Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:57:03 -0800, you wrote: >At 07:25 PM 1/30/98 GMT, you wrote: >>Does anyone know if there is anything for accessing - i.e. swapping >>files around on DSK files - outside SIM Coupe itself? I know I can >>swap stuff around the two drives, but I just wondered if there's >>anything else. > >You've just given me an idea for a program :) Oh no! You shouldn't have said that! :) >Simon > >ps. Thinking about maybe adding wider functionality to the DSK format... or >adding another one. Will talk to Allan soon about this. Might mean you can >run Prince of Persia on it ;) Yeah - Pro-DOS as well maybe? And how on earth did you know that I'd been moaning about the cracked version of Prince of Persia not running on SIM Coupe (oops!)? Ah well, I bought the original, so who cares. :) Or do you mean the /real/ protected games that have unformatted or silly sector sizes? That'd be good. Especially when the SAM goes the way of the Spectrum (okay, it might be a long way off, but it'll come to pass that all the old games go that way one day). Bye, Dave Whitmore From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 31 13:13:21 1998 Message-ID: <34D3228B.6A2A@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 13:09:31 +0000 From: Mark Sturdy X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SIM Coupe - wish list. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 82 Lines: 10 YOUR WEBSITE SUCKS, FUCK OFF AND DIE -- SRD, Kl'aa-du. Heart beats up love From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 31 13:43:25 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <34D3228B.6A2A@csv.warwick.ac.uk> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 13:38:45 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: SIM Coupe - wish list. X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id NAA03508 Status: RO Content-Length: 620 Lines: 20 At 1:09 pm +0000 31/1/98, Mark Sturdy wrote: >YOUR WEBSITE SUCKS, FUCK OFF AND DIE Er... Was this directed at anyone in particular? Andrew --- +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ | Andrew Collier | LOKTLOKTNVS'n'0TTDS'n'3LOKTLOKTYRUAQT1YRUAT3 | | 1B NatSci at Selwyn | ICUQ4LADB4U2R1ICXp2M£UICXp4XTC | | Contact: asc25@cam.ac.uk | 1-0 1-0B9'n'RTB4IOUATUR32NV0 | | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk | ICAG#2?RSVPASAP'nIC.B2KTICQTRIP | +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 31 14:01:26 1998 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: sskardon@argonet.co.uk (Stewart Skardon) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sat, 31 Jan 98 12:24:45 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: IRC channel #sam-users on Dalnet Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 478 Lines: 20 Does anyone ever use this channel? Everytime I go there it's always empty. If it is used, when? it would be nice to have a chat with a fellow SAM user. Stewart -- _ (_'tewart email : sskardon@argonet.co.uk ,_)kardon http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/stewart/ Crashed Magazine - The SAM Coupe and ZX Spectrum Magazine. Crashed WWW Site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon Crashed Email - crashed@argonet.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 31 14:04:26 1998 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: sskardon@argonet.co.uk (Stewart Skardon) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 31 Jan 98 14:00:26 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: SIM Coupe - wish list. Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 585 Lines: 31 On Sat 31 Jan 98 (13:38:45 +0000), asc25@cam.ac.uk wrote: >At 1:09 pm +0000 31/1/98, Mark Sturdy wrote: >>YOUR WEBSITE SUCKS, FUCK OFF AND DIE > >Er... > >Was this directed at anyone in particular? > >Andrew > > [snip] Just what I was wondering as well. > Stewart. -- _ (_'tewart email : sskardon@argonet.co.uk ,_)kardon http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/stewart/ Crashed Magazine - The SAM Coupe and ZX Spectrum Magazine. Crashed WWW Site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon Crashed Email - crashed@argonet.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 31 14:24:09 1998 Message-Id: <199801311418.PAA09831@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: SIM Coupe - wish list. Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 15:16:47 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 436 Lines: 23 ---------- > Van: Mark Sturdy > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Onderwerp: Re: SIM Coupe - wish list. > Datum: Saturday, January 31, 1998 2:09 > > YOUR WEBSITE SUCKS, FUCK OFF AND DIE > > -- > SRD, > Well argumented Is this in general? or did you have someone special in mind? Ja ne -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] The borderline Express will terminate at this station :) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 31 15:28:16 1998 From: SparkY To: sam-users Subject: Re: IRC channel #sam-users on Dalnet Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 15:10:11 -0000 Message-Id: <01bd2e5a$5392b5e0$LocalHost@SPARKY> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 838 Lines: 22 >Does anyone ever use this channel? > >Everytime I go there it's always empty. >If it is used, when? >it would be nice to have a chat with a fellow SAM user. > >Stewart Hurrah! An IRC man! Right Stewart, sod Dalnet mate, get on Undernet tonight (try eu.undernet.org or us.undernet.org which will fire you on to a decent server), and join #sam-users! I'm usually there, along with David Ledbury, Colin Piggot, and Simon Cooke! Hope to see you there, and anyone else who fancies joining. (The best time is probably from about 11pm - we normally sit on the channel until about 2am or later :) Gavin ============================================== Email: gavin.smith@cableol.co.uk IRC: Undernet's #TheLocal (SparkY or SparkYY) #TheLocal webpage: http://www.infj.ulst.ac.uk/~ckh225 ICQ: 5099913 ============================================== From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 31 15:28:18 1998 Message-ID: <34D33F02.647B@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 15:10:58 +0000 From: Mark Sturdy X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SIM Coupe - wish list. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 203 Lines: 15 Stewart Skardon wrote: > P.S Mark, why is YOUR server bouncing MY mail? I honestly have NO IDEA - have had anything from me recently? Could you maybe ring? -- SRD, Kl'aa-du. Heart beats up love From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 31 15:28:19 1998 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 14:50:44 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: SIM Coupe - wish list. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a <8OHKkEUpoELRXgFKFsA4hwDBr8> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 768 Lines: 22 In message , Andrew Collier writes >At 1:09 pm +0000 31/1/98, Mark Sturdy wrote: >>YOUR WEBSITE SUCKS, FUCK OFF AND DIE > >Er... > >Was this directed at anyone in particular? If it was me, then I quite understand. It's just a front page at the moment. ;) Graham -- /====================================================\ +--------------+ | My proverb for this week: | |This Space For| | "The less bits, the less can go wrong... | | Hire - Ideal | | Unless you wobble something important at the back" | |For Weddings &| \==Graham Goring - graham@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk==/ | Bahmitzvas | My Website, coming to a server near you - SOON +--------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 31 15:28:19 1998 Message-ID: <34D3406F.12F0@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 15:17:03 +0000 From: Mark Sturdy X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SIM Coupe - wish list. References: <34D3228B.6A2A@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 680 Lines: 24 Deepest, deepest apologies for this. I'd like to make it clear that I really, honestly had NOTHING to do with this posting. I'd popped down the corridor to get something to drink, and the my dwarf idiot freak of an acquaintance must have typed it while I was gone. I'd provided him with somewhere to sleep the previous night, and the ungreatful little turd has since been sent packing to Northampton. For flaming purposes: Jonathan Morris is not on the List (doesn't own a SAM), but can be reached at jdmorris@mcmail.com. Mark. Mark Sturdy most emphatically did not write: > > YOUR WEBSITE SUCKS, FUCK OFF AND DIE > > -- > SRD, > > Kl'aa-du. > > Heart beats up love From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 31 15:28:21 1998 Message-ID: <34D34164.141E@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 15:21:08 +0000 From: Mark Sturdy X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: IRC channel #sam-users on Dalnet References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 326 Lines: 18 Stewart Skardon wrote: > > Does anyone ever use this channel? > > Everytime I go there it's always empty. > If it is used, when? > it would be nice to have a chat with a fellow SAM user. I might use it from time to time, if only I knew what IRC actually was, and how you used it. -- SRD, Kl'aa-du. Heart beats up love From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 31 15:28:21 1998 Message-ID: <34D34236.2DD6@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 15:24:38 +0000 From: Mark Sturdy X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SIM Coupe - wish list. References: <199801311418.PAA09831@mailserv.caiw.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 742 Lines: 30 Robert van der Veeke wrote: > > ---------- > > Van: Mark Sturdy > > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > > Onderwerp: Re: SIM Coupe - wish list. > > Datum: Saturday, January 31, 1998 2:09 > > > > YOUR WEBSITE SUCKS, FUCK OFF AND DIE > > > > -- > > SRD, > > > Well argumented > > Is this in general? or did you have someone special in mind? I didn't have anyone in mind because I didn't write it. The subject heading would suggest it was a piece of random abuse directed my idiot friend Jonathan at Allan Skillman. Jonathan does not own a SAM, has never seen Allan's site, is a worthless cretin, and deserves to die. His email address is jdmorris@mcmail.com. Give him hell. -- SRD, Kl'aa-du. Heart beats up love From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 31 15:37:06 1998 From: Maria Rookyard To: SAM Users Mailing List Subject: Re: BDOS with a text editor Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 11:38:41 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 48 Lines: 6 You lot want the moon on a stick :) Maria. x From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 31 15:42:42 1998 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: sskardon@argonet.co.uk (Stewart Skardon) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 31 Jan 98 15:35:55 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: SIM Coupe - wish list. Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2245 Lines: 66 On Sat 31 Jan 98 (13:09:31 +0000), Mark Sturdy wrote: >YOUR WEBSITE SUCKS, FUCK OFF AND DIE >- It would appear that this message was intended for me. Having now looked at the header for the message copied below, I see that it was in response to message E0xyahq-0004O8-00@golden.argonet.co.uk. Seeing as I am the only person on this list at Argonet, I would assume that we can safely say it was for me. Can't see what I've done to deserve it though. >#! rmail >X-POP3-Mailbox: bn66 on golden.argonet.co.uk >Return-path: >Envelope-to: sskardon@argonet.co.uk >Delivery-date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:16:39 +0000 >Received: from (sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no) [129.241.210.67] (root) > by golden.argonet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #3) > id 0xybqg-00056N-00; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:16:38 +0000 >Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49508-13519>; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 >14:10:06 +0100 >Received: from lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk ([137.205.192.7] EHLO >lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk ident: root [port 33993]) by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no >with ESMTP id <49404-13519>; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 14:09:50 +0100 >Received: from lily (pyumi@localhost [127.0.0.1]) > by lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA12093 > for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 13:09:32 GMT >Message-ID: <34D3228B.6A2A@csv.warwick.ac.uk> >Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 13:09:31 +0000 >From: Mark Sturdy >X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no >Subject: Re: SIM Coupe - wish list. >References: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no >Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no >Precedence: bulk >Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no >Status: > >YOUR WEBSITE SUCKS, FUCK OFF AND DIE [snip] >Heart beats up love > Stewart -- _ (_'tewart email : sskardon@argonet.co.uk ,_)kardon http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/stewart/ Crashed Magazine - The SAM Coupe and ZX Spectrum Magazine. Crashed WWW Site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon Crashed Email - crashed@argonet.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 31 16:27:44 1998 From: SparkY To: sam-users Subject: Re: IRC channel #sam-users on Dalnet Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 16:21:03 -0000 Message-Id: <01bd2e64$39bc7020$LocalHost@SPARKY> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1012 Lines: 23 >I might use it from time to time, if only I knew what IRC actually was, >and how you used it. >-- >SRD, IRC stands for Internet Relay Chat and is a text based real time (nearly) chat thingy. It's pretty simple to use. The software isn't very big either, and is totally free - take a look at www.mirc.co.uk for the best IRC client. There are different networks on IRC, such as Dalnet, Efnet, Undernet etc (the most popular three), each with their own different channels (there are thousands of the bloody things, with a large percentage of porno ones ;) Anyway, when you download mIRC, go to the setup, fill in your details, a list of servers will be displayed, pick an undernet one, and away you go! When you are connected, type /join #sam-users or #thelocal :) Gavin ============================================== Email: gavin.smith@cableol.co.uk IRC: Undernet's #TheLocal (SparkY or SparkYY) #TheLocal webpage: http://www.infj.ulst.ac.uk/~ckh225 ICQ: 5099913 ============================================== From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 31 16:37:11 1998 Message-ID: <34D35220.7D84@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 16:32:32 +0000 From: Mark Sturdy X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SIM Coupe - wish list. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 491 Lines: 24 Graham Goring wrote: > > In message , Andrew Collier > writes > >At 1:09 pm +0000 31/1/98, Mark Sturdy wrote: > >>YOUR WEBSITE SUCKS, FUCK OFF AND DIE > > > >Er... > > > >Was this directed at anyone in particular? > > If it was me, then I quite understand. It's just a front page at the > moment. ;) It wasn't!!!!!! I didn't write it, it was my random Beavis friend, and I'm very sorry. SRD, Kl'aa-du. Heart beats up love From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 31 16:40:41 1998 Message-ID: <34D35314.3A8F@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 16:36:36 +0000 From: Mark Sturdy X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SIM Coupe - wish list. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 825 Lines: 27 Stewart Skardon wrote: > > On Sat 31 Jan 98 (13:09:31 +0000), Mark Sturdy's ex-friend wrote: > >YOUR WEBSITE SUCKS, FUCK OFF AND DIE > >- > > It would appear that this message was intended for me. > Having now looked at the header for the message copied below, I see that it was > in response to message E0xyahq-0004O8-00@golden.argonet.co.uk. > > Seeing as I am the only person on this list at Argonet, I would assume that we > can safely say it was for me. > > Can't see what I've done to deserve it though. You haven't done anything to deserve it, Stewart. I didn't write it, it was Jonathan "Random Abuse Directed At Innocent Parties On My Email Account While My Back Is Turned" Morris. Perhaps you might like to email him about it. His address is jdmorris@mcmail.com. -- SRD, Kl'aa-du. Heart beats up love From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 31 16:49:35 1998 From: Maria Rookyard To: sam-users Subject: Re: FORMATs news - was Re: Format and Crashed Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 16:09:07 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 542 Lines: 29 > > At 09:24 PM 1/30/98 GMT, you wrote: > >Ha! Trust a woman to come on here Oh no I haven't, fascinating as some of the postings might be, they're not *that* good :) > >Martin! While I admire your hardware capabilities, and your wisdom > >where video digitising is concerened, there comes a time when I have > >to say, " Oi, Martin Rookyard - Keep that woman under control!!" :-) > > ***lol*** > > Which reminds me... I miss Hula Hoops :( > > Simon > But I've never, ever had Hula Hoops and sex at the same time... Maria. x From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 31 16:56:50 1998 Message-Id: <199801311653.QAA18926@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 16:53:12 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: SIM Coupe - wish list. In-reply-to: <34d24128.28259183@mail.enterprise.net> References: <0025659B.00321AA0.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 272 Lines: 6 > For starters, I'd like a proper front end menu, with various options > like how many megs external RAM, whether you want sound or not, etc. > Similar to the front-end of UAE. i don't know about uae (never used it, etc) but i'm kinda used to Z80 and that works for me. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 31 17:08:19 1998 From: Martin Rookyard To: SamUsers Subject: Re: control Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 16:38:43 -0000 Message-ID: <01bd2e66$b2920da0$0100007f@adiemus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BD2E66.B2920DA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1894 Lines: 58 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BD2E66.B2920DA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Martin Rookyard - "Control that woman"! Wot and spoil my fun >:-) You should try it one day - Its very good while you are doing something = else like sending messages to the SAM mailinvifgjhbg;dgb hf;dbjdfzh = ;gzdfjkgh d;gjkhdfzlkfjdh lfhjfxl ;lghn njdgp'on[n'oi hnpfixfgok A logical question to management *will* be classed as insubordination ! Try it...but don't blame me... ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BD2E66.B2920DA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> Martin Rookyard - "Control that=20 woman"!
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BD2E66.B2920DA0-- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 31 17:08:19 1998 From: Martin Rookyard To: SamUsers Subject: You're all wrong. Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 17:01:23 -0000 Message-ID: <01bd2e69$dc799040$0100007f@adiemus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01BD2E69.DC799040" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1986 Lines: 60 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BD2E69.DC799040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable NO No No No - you're allll wrong. =20 Its got to be directed at me cos my web site consists of 5Mb of = "nothing at all" =20 Maybe we should all carbon copy all of our messages for the sam users = group to his email address - he would have a hell of a time putting us = all into a kill file... =20 ps I'm not doing this one so he won't twig A logical question to management *will* be classed as insubordination ! Try it...but don't blame me... = ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BD2E69.DC799040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
NO No No No - you're allll = wrong.
 
Its got to be directed at me cos my web site = consists of 5Mb=20 of  "nothing at all"
 
Maybe we should all carbon copy all of  our = messages for=20 the sam users group to his email address - he would have a hell of a = time=20 putting us all into a kill file...
 
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------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BD2E69.DC799040-- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 31 18:05:12 1998 From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:56:16 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: 256K upgrade Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 639 Lines: 20 In a message dated 30/01/98 21:18:01, you write: >>Upgrading to 512K can be easely done by soldering the RAMs > >Cue the remarks from Bob about it not being wise, and that it will invalidate >out warranties (which ran out about 5 years ago anyway.) > > Ok, it would not be wise. Happy? But, if the warranty on a machine has expired then it is up to the owner. However, I would point out that is machines come in for repair then any 'non- approved' mods have to be undone before repairs are carried out. Still, as you will see from a previous posting, if people want the 256K expansion board in kit form I'm happy to sell it. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 31 18:05:13 1998 From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <182101a1.34d365bf@aol.com> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:56:13 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: 256K upgrade Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 502 Lines: 18 In a message dated 30/01/98 17:39:32, you write: >Just reminding me I have some spare RAMs for the SAM >If anybody is interrested. > >Upgrading to 512K can be easely done by soldering the RAMs >on top of the other ones in the SAM. I have a info sheet about how to >to it. > >Im willing to sell two RAMS and info sheet for 20 Guilders (less >than 7 pounds). > Bloody good price. If anyone want a 256K board, sans the RAM chips, just send me a crisp 5 pound note and you can have one. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 31 18:05:13 1998 From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <7d1ff421.34d365c4@aol.com> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:56:17 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: FORMATs news - was Re: Format and Crashed Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 167 Lines: 12 In a message dated 30/01/98 23:50:43, you write: >>Sorry, what was the question again? > >Don't do it Mark -- he's BOB! > >Simon Having a bad dream Simon? -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 31 18:05:13 1998 From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <7080c3a1.34d365c5@aol.com> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:56:19 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Format and Crashed Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1338 Lines: 33 In a message dated 30/01/98 23:51:14, you write: >! > >Microwaves are not going to go wrong, most VCRs are not going to go >wrong, hospital life support systems are not going to go wrong - because >none of these things know or care what year it is. I think the result of current tests in one London health authority showed nearly 30% of /critical/ equipment was failing on simulated testing. Now that is not to say that it will fail on the big day, as now it is marked for attention they just have to reset the control boards, a few weeks or months in advance, and accept that the date will be wrong until it is reset. > >There was a blurb in Computer Weekly recently with an incubator on the >front cover - the work of an incubator is time-critical, sure, but who >ever set up the year in an incubator? I ask you - what's it going to do? >Send the kid a birthday card a year later? No, just shut down because it thinks there is a major error. > >From my experience, there wil be a crisis, but it won't be because of >any "Millennium Bug" - it will because managers who don't know a program >from a sonnet are having perfectly good systems ripped out and replaced >at breakneck speed by largely untested "Y2K compliant" piles of dung. That too will be a problem. And the only winners will be the lawyers. > >-- >Ian Dalzie -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 31 18:05:13 1998 From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:56:20 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Format and Crashed Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1104 Lines: 35 In a message dated 30/01/98 23:51:18, you write: >> > >Bob, when did you last set the year on your washing machine? It's one of >those tiresome little chores I never seem to get round to... That is the problem, only an engineer can reset it. > >Even if there's a century interrupt, unless someone took the unthinkable >trouble to load in the date, it isn't going to clock over until the >machine's a hundred years old. Again, part of the problem. It depends on the manufacturer. Some took the chips as-was and used them (that have a correct date) some reset them (they started thinking it was 1980) while some set them to their own special start date (good knows why). So, unless an engineer resets the clock. Sometime between now and about 2018 the chip will generate an interrupt and the controller, not understanding it, will stop the cycle. > >The longest I ever kept a washing machine going was sixteen years, and >by then it was packing up every week - Hey, do you think it had a >Millennium Bug? No, it may just have eaten one of your socks :) > >Er... Bollocks? >-- >Ian Dalziel -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 31 18:05:13 1998 From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <7a67e2a1.34d365c9@aol.com> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:56:22 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Glass Houses Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 216 Lines: 11 In a message dated 31/01/98 09:37:05, you write: >n > > >Sorry Bob try again - I was not talking about the Digitizer.... Well, if you know what you are talking about, I'm sure you'll tell us one day. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 31 18:05:14 1998 From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:56:10 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Format and the Y2K (if I MUST call it that...) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 199 Lines: 13 In a message dated 30/01/98 17:38:14, you write: >) > >Oh my word, I think I've just supported Bob. ;-) > Don't worry Johnna, there will be treatment available for the condition soon :) -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 31 18:05:14 1998 From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <6d0ec320.34d365be@aol.com> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:56:12 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 331 Lines: 12 In a message dated 30/01/98 17:39:14, you write: >. > >but you can't get a K6-300 or 333. and you won't be able to either. >but the next generation of AMD cpus will probably go up to this >speed, i forget what they're called... K7 perhaps? or K63d? whatever. K6-266 and 300 now on test, beyond that is anyone's guess. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 31 18:05:14 1998 From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <6e82c121.34d365c3@aol.com> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:56:17 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Windows 95 Close Button Positioning Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 534 Lines: 19 In a message dated 30/01/98 21:18:29, you write: >. > >I hadn't thought of this gripe, and I wondered why people were moaning >at first. However, the close button is a bit too near the resize >button - especially if you`re a bit of a poor shot with the mouse >pointer. I'm a poor shot with the mouse pointer - bloody good shot with a gun though :) > I think it pretty strange that there should be two ways of >closing apps - unless there`s a difference between the way it closes >them? Strange??? Well it is Microsloth. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 31 18:18:58 1998 Message-Id: <199801311815.SAA23917@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 18:15:13 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... In-reply-to: <6d0ec320.34d365be@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 765 Lines: 28 > >but you can't get a K6-300 or 333. and you won't be able to either. > >but the next generation of AMD cpus will probably go up to this > >speed, i forget what they're called... K7 perhaps? or K63d? whatever. > > K6-266 and 300 now on test, beyond that is anyone's guess. really? K6-300? er, anyway, last nite i managed to successfully get my K6-233 to run at 266. well, i think it was 266. I was running it at 3.5x75Mhz bus tact which, to almost everyone i would think, would mean it would be running at 262.5 but the bios happily reported it as being a 266. well, whatever. i gave it some quick bmarks and it was definitely faster than 3x75 and 3.5x66, so it obviously did something. then it crashed next week: dave gets a bigger heatsink dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 31 18:22:10 1998 From: SparkY To: sam-users Subject: Re: FORMATs news - was Re: Format and Crashed Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 18:20:58 -0000 Message-Id: <01bd2e74$fa2bcb20$1314a8c2@sparky> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 648 Lines: 24 >In a message dated 30/01/98 23:50:43, you write: > >>>Sorry, what was the question again? >> >>Don't do it Mark -- he's BOB! >> >>Simon > >Having a bad dream Simon? > >-- >Bob. No Bob, he wasn't, you know exactly what he was talking about - kindly stop taking us for fools. And hey, while I'm telling you off, for God's sake, stop talking about the year 2000! We don't agree with you, get over it! Gavin ============================================== Email: gavin.smith@cableol.co.uk IRC: Undernet's #TheLocal (SparkY or SparkYY) #TheLocal webpage: http://www.infj.ulst.ac.uk/~ckh225 ICQ: 5099913 ==============================================