From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Feb 15 23:15:51 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980215181039.006b1f4c@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 18:10:39 -0500 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Off topic: cross-platform coding In-Reply-To: <95fd275.34e7722a@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 489 Lines: 15 At 05:54 PM 2/15/98 EST, you wrote: >Oh I am, really I am, "unquestionably, irredeemably evil" that is, you really >should see what I can do with a newborn baby and a few demons..... >-- >Bob. > I still have polaroids from the last time :) Simon *********************************************************** *Product Development Specialist/WebMaster/Graphic Designer* *Systems Architect/Analyst/GUI Design Manager/GDB/-cookie-* *********************************************************** From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 16 08:00:10 1998 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 08:52:43 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9802160752.AA13888@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: NVG site X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 915 Lines: 33 > > I've just transfered Dave Whitmores Sam Adventure Club disks to NVG > /pub/sam-coupe/incoming > as SCAC1.ZIP, 2, & 3 > I'm assuming SAC4 is the forth?, i didnt bother renaming anything. Issues 1-6 of both SCAC and SAPE is now available. > > Is it Frode that maintains the site?? Can somebody create the > directory and move the files around, unless of course somebody whats > to give me a non-anonymous logon??? eh??? :-))), then i'll do it! Done. > > While I whas huting around, in NVG, i found this file > /pub/sam-coupe/misc/sam/hdos.zip > which apparantly has been uploaded by anonymouse user so no body can > download it yet :-( > > ### > RETR hdos.zip > 550-This file has been uploaded by an anonymous user. It has not 550 > yet been approved for downloading by the site administrators. > ### > > Can somebody look at this as i'd like to have a look see what the > file is. Done. -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 16 08:26:37 1998 Message-Id: <199802160823.IAA10226@relais1.orctel.co.uk> From: David Zambonini To: sam-users Subject: Re: Leeds!!! Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 08:21:49 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 278 Lines: 15 > > > My dentist told me that you can dissolve a tooth *overnight* by leaving it > in a glass of coke. I'm sticking with heroin from now on :) > > Maria. > x Also, did you know that if you leave a cow in a glass of coke overnight, it will be gone in the morning? DMZ --- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 16 08:42:20 1998 Message-ID: <124EDA3001F73000@c2gate.tcom.co.uk> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 8:30:00 +0000 From: Dan Doore Organization: * To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no (Sam Users Mailing List) Subject: RE: Leeds!!! Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.30A MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 378 Lines: 21 > Right, seeing as the Leeds show is precisely two weeks away, is anyone > interested in going? > > Of course, while we're there, we'd be going to the show on the saturday as > well... > > Dan, you up for a couple of mad nights? As always. Any details on the show (Mark?) Dan. Work: dandoore@bacg.com Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 16 08:42:20 1998 Message-ID: <164EDA3001F73000@c2gate.tcom.co.uk> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 8:32:00 +0000 From: Dan Doore Organization: * To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no (Sam Users Mailing List) Subject: RE: Off-Topic, Flames, WebRing, Shows. Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.30A MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 325 Lines: 16 > We're thinking of christening the ATM switch as "Yoyo" We have a habit of calling our UNIX severs after female pop stars, then we have the pleasure of saying things like: "Kylie will be going down tonight" Sad but true. Dan. Work: dandoore@bacg.com Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 16 09:13:36 1998 Message-Id: <199802160905.JAA10495@relais1.orctel.co.uk> From: David Zambonini To: sam-users Subject: Re: Off-Topic, Flames, WebRing, Shows. Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:03:56 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 376 Lines: 17 > > We're thinking of christening the ATM switch as "Yoyo" > > We have a habit of calling our UNIX severs after female pop stars, > then we have the pleasure of saying things like: > > "Kylie will be going down tonight" > > Sad but true. > > Dan. Any attempts at jokes involving "input port", "multiple users", "mount size" etc. will be dealt with ruthlessly. DMZ --- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 16 12:31:02 1998 Message-Id: <199802161225.MAA28869@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:24:40 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Leeds!!! In-reply-to: <199802160823.IAA10226@relais1.orctel.co.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 222 Lines: 9 > Also, did you know that if you leave a cow in a glass of coke overnight, > it will be gone in the morning? if this is one of those joke things, i'm afraid i don't gettit. if it's one of those fact things, ooer. dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 16 12:36:32 1998 From: Matthew Craven Organization: UMIST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:31:09 BST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Query In-reply-to: References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.52) Message-ID: <392501BB4@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 230 Lines: 9 Dear all, Can someone tell me how to get the SIMCOUPE to work, as I have tried downloading it from the official pages twice, and each time I try and execute it, it gives me a "PROGRAM TOO BIG FOR MEMORY ERROR". Thanks, Matt. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 16 12:44:34 1998 Message-Id: <199802161238.MAA02196@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:38:17 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Query References: In-reply-to: <392501BB4@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 386 Lines: 17 > Dear all, hello again > Can someone tell me how to get the SIMCOUPE to work, as I have tried > downloading it from the official pages twice, and each time I try and > execute it, it gives me a "PROGRAM TOO BIG FOR MEMORY ERROR". yeh - THIS time ANSWER the following question: are you running it in Dos (and which version), Win3.1x, Win95 or NT? thank you for your time dave From imc Mon Feb 16 16:06:46 1998 Subject: Re: Cross-platform coding - was Re: Windows 95 Close Button To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:06:46 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: from "BillRitman@aol.com" at Feb 15, 98 12:31:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 409 Lines: 10 On Sun, 15 Feb 1998 12:31:53 EST, BillRitman@aol.com said: > In a message dated 14/02/98 21:30:35, you write: > > Even something as simple as > > reading a single keystroke can't be done in portable C. ANSI C does not > > even guarantee you that a keyboard exists. > This can't be true, can it? Anyone is welcome to prove me wrong if they think they can. imc From imc Mon Feb 16 16:09:01 1998 Subject: Re: Leeds!!! To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:09:01 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: from "Maria Rookyard" at Feb 15, 98 10:50:23 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 390 Lines: 11 On Sun, 15 Feb 1998 10:50:23 -0000, Maria Rookyard said: > My dentist told me that you can dissolve a tooth *overnight* by leaving it > in a glass of coke. I can imagine it would be pretty damaged, but dissolving overnight sounds a bit unlikely. But then again, this is irrelevant as I never leave my teeth in coke overnight. I suspect fresh orange juice would be at least as bad. imc From imc Mon Feb 16 17:05:21 1998 Subject: Re: (Fwd) Games Master To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 17:05:21 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <6ea407d2.34e1ffcc@aol.com> from "BillRitman@aol.com" at Feb 11, 98 02:45:14 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 197 Lines: 6 On Wed, 11 Feb 1998 14:45:14 EST, BillRitman@aol.com said: > Format handle all of Betasofts products for him, they may be able to help. Funny how I got my Betasoft products from FRED... :-) imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 16 18:08:11 1998 From: Matthew Craven Organization: UMIST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:45:17 BST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Query In-reply-to: <199802161238.MAA02196@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> References: <392501BB4@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.52) Message-ID: <3CEC60D71@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 312 Lines: 16 > > Dear all, > > hello again > > yeh - THIS time ANSWER the following question: If I had have received the aforementioned question, I would have gladly answered it. > > are you running it in Dos (and which version), Win3.1x, Win95 or NT? > Just DOS version 6.22. > > thankyou for your time That's OK. MJC. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 16 18:08:12 1998 Message-Id: <199802161255.MAA12567@relais1.orctel.co.uk> From: David Zambonini To: sam-users Subject: Re: Leeds!!! Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:53:46 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 332 Lines: 17 > > Also, did you know that if you leave a cow in a glass of coke overnight, > > it will be gone in the morning? > > if this is one of those joke things, i'm afraid i don't gettit. > > if it's one of those fact things, ooer. > It's a joke. Think about it... :) Hang on... I suppose it could be a fact as well. Scary. DMZ --- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 16 18:08:13 1998 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 19:37:26 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Adie Subject: Re: Format and their selective publicity policy... In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.04 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 246 Lines: 11 Mark Sturdy wrote: >Well, yeah. Maybe it's because hardly any of us really use our SAMs >nowadays! and i sold mine ages ago! Adie http://www.scooter.demon.co.uk Blind Youth Fanzine HQ + Travis, Inaura, The Needles From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 16 18:08:20 1998 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 19:37:56 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Adie Subject: Re: Leeds!!! In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.04 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 304 Lines: 11 Maria Rookyard wrote: >My dentist told me that you can dissolve a tooth *overnight* by leaving it >in a glass of coke. I'm sticking with heroin from now on :) i'm telling the police! Adie http://www.scooter.demon.co.uk Blind Youth Fanzine HQ + Travis, Inaura, The Needles From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 16 18:08:23 1998 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Announcement References: "Dave Hooper"'s message of "Sat, 7 Feb 1998 16:31:01 +0000" <199802111233.MAA04280@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware X-{giggle}: Lots! From: The Giggler Date: 16 Feb 1998 17:24:34 +0000 In-Reply-To: "Dave Hooper"'s message of "Wed, 11 Feb 1998 12:33:37 +0000" Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.66/Emacs 19.34 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 501 Lines: 15 "Dave Hooper" <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> writes: > > yeah, and you can do the same effect (Albeit a tad slower) in BASIC ... > > (With the odd port commands ...) > > port command? as far as i can remember you only need SCREEN > x, DISPLAY x and PUT commands Yeah, but it works slightly faster if you just deal with straight port commands. (Possibly, I can't really remember it was that long ago ...) Bob, care to quote from the Short Spot and tell me how I did it ! Lee. -- Yawn And Walk North From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 16 18:08:24 1998 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Leeds!!! References: <199802160823.IAA10226@relais1.orctel.co.uk> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware X-{giggle}: Lots! From: The Giggler Date: 16 Feb 1998 17:28:58 +0000 In-Reply-To: "David Zambonini"'s message of "Mon, 16 Feb 1998 08:21:49 -0000" Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.66/Emacs 19.34 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 280 Lines: 11 "David Zambonini" writes: > Also, did you know that if you leave a cow in a glass of coke overnight, > it will be gone in the morning? I'm not surprised! The poor sod'll probably get cold and bored and wonder off somewhere ... Lee. -- Yawn And Walk North From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 16 18:30:27 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980216132322.006b4024@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:23:22 -0500 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Announcement In-Reply-To: References: <"Dave Hooper"'s message of "Wed, 11 Feb 1998 12:33:37 +0000"> <199802111233.MAA04280@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1060 Lines: 34 At 05:24 PM 2/16/98 +0000, you wrote: >Status: > >"Dave Hooper" <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> writes: > >> > yeah, and you can do the same effect (Albeit a tad slower) in BASIC ... >> > (With the odd port commands ...) >> >> port command? as far as i can remember you only need SCREEN >> x, DISPLAY x and PUT commands > >Yeah, but it works slightly faster if you just deal with straight port >commands. (Possibly, I can't really remember it was that long ago ...) >Bob, care to quote from the Short Spot and tell me how I did it ! > >Lee. Perhaps something like: (and please excuse poor memory for this) 10 OPEN SCREEN 2,4: SCREEN 1: MODE 4: setpalette: drawsomething: LET s1 = IN (252) 20 SCREEN 2: setpalette: drawsomethingelse: LET s2 = IN (252) 30 OUT 252,s1: PAUSE 1: OUT 252,s2: PAUSE 1: GOTO 30 ? Simon *********************************************************** *Product Development Specialist/WebMaster/Graphic Designer* *Systems Architect/Analyst/GUI Design Manager/GDB/-cookie-* *********************************************************** From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 16 18:49:44 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <002565AD.0066E8F2.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 18:45:43 +0000 Subject: Re: Cross-platform coding - was Re: Windows 95 Close Button Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 519 Lines: 16 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > In a message dated 14/02/98 21:30:35, you write: > > Even something as simple as > > reading a single keystroke can't be done in portable C. ANSI C does not > > even guarantee you that a keyboard exists. > This can't be true, can it? Anyone is welcome to prove me wrong if they think they can. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Well, think about embedded systems. They use ANSI C and you don't normally find a PC (or a SAM) keyboard attached to them. JPS From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 16 18:54:20 1998 From: BillRitman@aol.com Message-ID: <48d84a2e.34e88aab@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:51:20 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Windows 95 Close Button Positioning Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows sub 178 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 558 Lines: 19 In a message dated 13/02/98 01:21:47, you write: > > Gates' virtual monopoly on the PC does have a few advantages. There are some > people who just hate him blindly, and would slag off his software, no matter > what it was like. Having said that, I do have the mpeg of him getting a > custard pie in his face ;) > > Gavin Look up http://www.spa.org/gvmnt/tos/compprinciples.htm It is the text of a set of principles adopted by the Software Publishers Association in the USA. Some say in direct responce to the current Microsoft situation. Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 16 20:17:10 1998 From: BillRitman@aol.com Message-ID: <8eb8ba11.34e88e00@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:05:34 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Leeds!!! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows sub 178 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 276 Lines: 13 In a message dated 16/02/98 18:19:23, you write: > >My dentist told me that you can dissolve a tooth *overnight* by leaving it > >in a glass of coke. I'm sticking with heroin from now on :) > > i'm telling the police! > > > Adie Let them get their own :) Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 16 20:17:10 1998 From: BillRitman@aol.com Message-ID: <1f0d161a.34e88e01@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:05:35 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: (Fwd) Games Master Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows sub 178 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 329 Lines: 14 In a message dated 16/02/98 18:20:39, you write: > > On Wed, 11 Feb 1998 14:45:14 EST, BillRitman@aol.com said: > > Format handle all of Betasofts products for him, they may be able to help. > > Funny how I got my Betasoft products from FRED... :-) > > imc When? I don't think you can since Darren took over. Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 16 20:50:36 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <48d84a2e.34e88aab@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 20:39:27 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Windows 95 Close Button Positioning X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id UAA11760 Status: RO Content-Length: 1032 Lines: 30 At 6:51 pm +0000 16/2/98, BillRitman@aol.com wrote: >Look up http://www.spa.org/gvmnt/tos/compprinciples.htm Have done. >It is the text of a set of principles adopted by the Software Publishers >Association in the USA. Some say in direct responce to the current Microsoft >situation. I interpreted this as, basically, talking about the Microsoft Network and bundling MSIE with their operating system. Which paragraphs in particular are you saying refer to their alleged practice of contracting programmers to not write for other platforms? Andrew --- +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ | Andrew Collier | LOKTLOKTNVS'n'0TTDS'n'3LOKTLOKTYRUAQT1YRUAT3 | | 1B NatSci at Selwyn | ICUQ4LADB4U2R1ICXp2M£UICXp4XTC | | Contact: asc25@cam.ac.uk | 1-0 1-0B9'n'RTB4IOUATUR32NV0 | | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk | ICAG#2?RSVPASAP'nIC.B2KTICQTRIP | +----------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ w From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 16 21:58:41 1998 Message-Id: <199802162153.VAA11935@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 21:53:06 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Announcement In-reply-to: <3.0.1.32.19980216132322.006b4024@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 358 Lines: 15 > 30 OUT 252,s1: PAUSE 1: OUT 252,s2: PAUSE 1: GOTO 30 well, in basic you'd be writing to one screen but display the other... can't remember the port writes for this, but in BASIC it'd be DISPLAY x: SCREEN y: write_to_screen: pause 1: DISPLAY y: SCREEN x: write_to_screen: pause 1: etc how's that done using port (etc) writes? outta interest. dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 16 21:58:54 1998 Message-Id: <199802162155.VAA12093@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 21:55:08 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Query References: <199802161238.MAA02196@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> In-reply-to: <3CEC60D71@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 356 Lines: 12 > > yeh - THIS time ANSWER the following question: > If I had have received the aforementioned question, I would have > gladly answered it. well, it went to the list, we all got it. how much free memory do you have (MEM /C /P) ? and are you using the version of CWSDPMI that comes with SIMCOUPE or some other sorta memory extender (QEMM, etc) ? dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Feb 17 00:26:13 1998 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 98 22:08:56 -1900 (AIT) Message-ID: <1005_OASIS_@lhutz.demon.co.uk> From: James@lhutz.demon.co.uk (James R Curry) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Mailer: OASIS Post Box (Atari) v1.31E Subject: Re: Gits X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 569 Lines: 22 >> From: Mark Sturdy >> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 21:36:03 -0800 (PST) > >And Marks time ???, or is it me, am i in a time warp or something. Dagnammit, can't anyone get their times set right?! ;) ;) ;) __ James R Curry - James@lhutz.demon.co.uk "You're missing the point! The individual doesn't matter. It was a team effort, and I was the one who came up with the whole team idea...me!" - Homer Simpson, The Simpsons. Please insert meaningless promise about The Official James R Curry web page here... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Feb 17 02:29:42 1998 Message-ID: <13XtWBA0JP60Ewtz@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 02:14:12 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: (Fwd) Games Master In-Reply-To: <1f0d161a.34e88e01@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a <8OHKkEUpoELRXgFKFsA4hwDBr8> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 927 Lines: 28 In message <1f0d161a.34e88e01@aol.com>, BillRitman@aol.com writes >In a message dated 16/02/98 18:20:39, you write: > >> >> On Wed, 11 Feb 1998 14:45:14 EST, BillRitman@aol.com said: >> > Format handle all of Betasofts products for him, they may be able to >help. >> >> Funny how I got my Betasoft products from FRED... :-) >> >> imc > >When? I don't think you can since Darren took over. I don't think you buy anything now that Darren took over. ;) TAKE COVER! Graham -- /====================================================\ +--------------+ | My proverb for this week: | |This Space For| | "The less bits, the less can go wrong... | | Hire - Ideal | | Unless you wobble something important at the back" | |For Weddings &| \==Graham Goring - graham@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk==/ | Bahmitzvas | My Website, coming to a server near you - SOON +--------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Feb 17 06:41:45 1998 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 07:37:17 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9802170637.AA21203@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Cross-platform coding - was Re: Windows 95 Close Button X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 621 Lines: 15 > On Sun, 15 Feb 1998 12:31:53 EST, BillRitman@aol.com said: > > In a message dated 14/02/98 21:30:35, you write: > > > Even something as simple as > > > reading a single keystroke can't be done in portable C. ANSI C does not > > > even guarantee you that a keyboard exists. > > This can't be true, can it? > > Anyone is welcome to prove me wrong if they think they can. In my experience C++ is worse than C..... The one compiler I have used which is the most platform independet is the GNAT Ada compilator. Even this has problems with certain low-level I/O. -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Feb 17 08:38:39 1998 Message-Id: <199802170832.IAA15669@relais1.orctel.co.uk> From: David Zambonini To: sam-users Subject: Re: Leeds!!! Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:30:57 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 283 Lines: 13 > > Also, did you know that if you leave a cow in a glass of coke overnight, > > it will be gone in the morning? > > I'm not surprised! The poor sod'll probably get cold and bored and > wonder off somewhere ... > I think somebody finally got the gist of the joke... :) DMZ --- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Feb 17 08:59:18 1998 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 03:58:09 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802170858.DAA01926@smtp1.erols.com> X-Mailer: HandStamp Pro 1.0 Subject: Re:Re: Leeds!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Simon Cooke To: dave@orctel.co.uk, sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 358 Lines: 11 >> I'm not surprised! The poor sod'll probably get cold and bored and >> wonder off somewhere ... >> > >I think somebody finally got the gist of the joke... :) So that's what happened to the tooth? cripes - I mean, who needs the tooth fairy... Simon --- This message scribbled for you by hand on a Palmpilot. Please excuse brevity and spelling mistakes. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Feb 17 09:22:16 1998 Message-Id: <199802170910.JAA16048@relais1.orctel.co.uk> From: David Zambonini To: sam-users Subject: Re: Re:Re: Leeds!!! Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 09:08:35 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 315 Lines: 15 > >> I'm not surprised! The poor sod'll probably get cold and bored and > >> wonder off somewhere ... > >> > > > >I think somebody finally got the gist of the joke... :) > > So that's what happened to the tooth? cripes - I mean, who needs the tooth fairy... > The cow trod on it on the way out... :p DMZ --- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Feb 17 10:51:06 1998 From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 05:46:48 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: (Fwd) Games Master Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 288 Lines: 13 In a message dated 16/02/98 18:20:39, you write: >On Wed, 11 Feb 1998 14:45:14 EST, BillRitman@aol.com said: >> Format handle all of Betasofts products for him, they may be able to help. > >Funny how I got my Betasoft products from FRED... :-) > >imc Who got them from me :) -- Bob. From imc Tue Feb 17 10:55:34 1998 Subject: Re: Announcement To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:55:34 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980216132322.006b4024@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> from "Simon Cooke" at Feb 16, 98 01:23:22 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 486 Lines: 13 On Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:23:22 -0500, Simon Cooke said: > >Yeah, but it works slightly faster if you just deal with straight port > >commands. > 10 OPEN SCREEN 2,4: SCREEN 1: MODE 4: setpalette: drawsomething: LET s1 = > IN (252) > 20 SCREEN 2: setpalette: drawsomethingelse: LET s2 = IN (252) > 30 OUT 252,s1: PAUSE 1: OUT 252,s2: PAUSE 1: GOTO 30 Since this is in BASIC, and since there are PAUSE instructions in it, why would this be any faster than using SCREEN instructions? imc From imc Tue Feb 17 10:56:11 1998 Subject: Re: (Fwd) Games Master To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:56:11 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <1f0d161a.34e88e01@aol.com> from "BillRitman@aol.com" at Feb 16, 98 02:05:35 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 211 Lines: 8 On Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:05:35 EST, BillRitman@aol.com said: > > Funny how I got my Betasoft products from FRED... :-) > When? I don't think you can since Darren took over. Oh it's a couple of years ago. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Feb 17 12:29:33 1998 From: Paul Walker Message-Id: <199802171223.MAA27554@lupin.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Off topic: cross-platform coding In-Reply-To: <95fd275.34e7722a@aol.com> from "BrenchleyR@aol.com" at "Feb 15, 98 05:54:32 pm" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:23:38 +0000 (GMT) X-Approved: bill@whitehouse.gov X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 231 Lines: 6 > Oh I am, really I am, "unquestionably, irredeemably evil" that is, you really > should see what I can do with a newborn baby and a few demons..... You remind me of a friend of mine. You're not really named Rick, by any chance? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Feb 17 12:29:34 1998 From: Paul Walker Message-Id: <199802171221.MAA26602@lupin.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Leeds!!! In-Reply-To: from Adie at "Feb 15, 98 07:37:56 pm" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:21:41 +0000 (GMT) X-Approved: bill@whitehouse.gov X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 197 Lines: 6 > >My dentist told me that you can dissolve a tooth *overnight* by leaving it > >in a glass of coke. I'm sticking with heroin from now on :) > i'm telling the police! Cruelty To Teeth division? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Feb 17 16:36:46 1998 From: Maria Rookyard To: sam-users Subject: Re: Off topic: cross-platform coding Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 19:53:12 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 191 Lines: 16 > > I still have polaroids from the last time :) > > Simon > You poor thing; you really ought to go and see a doctor - in the meantime get a nice soft cushion to sit on :) Maria. x From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Feb 17 16:36:46 1998 From: Maria Rookyard To: sam-users Subject: Re: Leeds!!! Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 20:06:33 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 635 Lines: 19 > > On Sun, 15 Feb 1998 10:50:23 -0000, Maria Rookyard said: > > My dentist told me that you can dissolve a tooth *overnight* by leaving it > > in a glass of coke. > > I can imagine it would be pretty damaged, but dissolving overnight sounds > a bit unlikely. Yeah, I was a little surprised at the speed, but I couldn't really question him about it because he had his hand half way down my throat at the time. Besides which, he's a dentist - it's his /job/ to scare people! > > But then again, this is irrelevant as I never leave my teeth in coke > overnight. I suspect fresh orange juice would be at least as bad. > > imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Feb 17 17:26:35 1998 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: sskardon@argonet.co.uk (Stewart Skardon) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 17 Feb 98 16:17:54 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Speccy games... Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 691 Lines: 27 Hi James, Just wondering if you could supply me with an up to date list of the speccy games that you are currently selling.... That way, I can get Mark off of my back 'cause he says that the list in Crashed is in need of updating. Tsk! Stewart -- _ (_'tewart email : sskardon@argonet.co.uk ,_)kardon http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/stewart/ * * * NEW - Stewart's SAM Information Pages. * * * http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/sampages/ Crashed Magazine - The SAM Coupe and ZX Spectrum Magazine. Crashed WWW Site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon Crashed Email - crashed@argonet.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Feb 17 18:13:39 1998 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: sskardon@argonet.co.uk (Stewart Skardon) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 17 Feb 98 18:00:39 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Speccy games... Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 524 Lines: 21 Ooops...That was supposed to go to James....not the list :-) Sorry... Stewart. -- _ (_'tewart email : sskardon@argonet.co.uk ,_)kardon http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/stewart/ * * * NEW - Stewart's SAM Information Pages. * * * http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/sampages/ Crashed Magazine - The SAM Coupe and ZX Spectrum Magazine. Crashed WWW Site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon Crashed Email - crashed@argonet.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Feb 17 20:03:27 1998 Message-Id: <199802171957.TAA23576@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:57:13 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Leeds!!! In-reply-to: <199802171221.MAA26602@lupin.csv.warwick.ac.uk> References: from Adie at "Feb 15, 98 07:37:56 pm" X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 94 Lines: 5 > > i'm telling the police! > > Cruelty To Teeth division? i think it was a drug squad joke From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Feb 18 10:12:31 1998 From: Matthew Craven Organization: UMIST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:02:06 BST Subject: Re: Query X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.31 Message-ID: <18E7E0606B@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 736 Lines: 19 > well, it went to the list, we all got it. Ok - sorry, I must have accidentally deleted it or something. > how much free memory do you have (MEM /C /P) ? I have 619k of free memory. > and are you using the version of CWSDPMI that comes with SIMCOUPE or > some other sorta memory extender (QEMM, etc) ? I am not using the CWSDPMI, as I have 1 file that is called SIMCBIN.exe, and when I try to run it, it will not execute - I am assuming that the file is a self-extracting archive. I have tried to run it under the configuration described with 619k free, the configuration that I use for most of my games, my windows configuration in DOS, my windows configuration in windows, but all the time, I get the same message. MJC. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Feb 18 13:31:37 1998 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:53:04 +0000 (GMT) From: Dave Handley To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Query In-Reply-To: <18E7E0606B@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 911 Lines: 21 On Wed, 18 Feb 1998, Matthew Craven wrote: > I am not using the CWSDPMI, as I have 1 file that is called > SIMCBIN.exe, and when I try to run it, it will not execute - I am > assuming that the file is a self-extracting archive. > > I have tried to run it under the configuration described with 619k > free, the configuration that I use for most of my games, my windows > configuration in DOS, my windows configuration in windows, but all > the time, I get the same message. That makes two of us then, I've freed up as much memory as poss. but still get the error message. Help! Dave ,---------------------------------------------------------, ,/ Dave Handley / ,/ Email - d.handley@lancaster.ac.uk /' / Visit - http://www.lancs.ac.uk/ug/handley/index.htm /' `---------------------------------------------------------' From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Feb 18 14:01:24 1998 Message-Id: <199802181355.NAA00820@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:55:06 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Query References: <18E7E0606B@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 677 Lines: 25 > > I am not using the CWSDPMI, as I have 1 file that is called > > SIMCBIN.exe, and when I try to run it, it will not execute - I am > > assuming that the file is a self-extracting archive. > > > That makes two of us then, I've freed up as much memory as poss. but > still get the error message. Help! look, erm, something weird is obviously going on i've just been to the simcoupe web site and downloaded the following file: http://www.hep.ucl.ac.uk/~ajs/simcoupe/simcbin.zip i saved it onto my harddrive, then typed md simcoupe pkunzip simcbin.zip simcoupe and it works fine for me. i don't even get a file called simcbin.exe so you are doing something wrong From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Feb 18 19:00:37 1998 From: davidm@enterprise.net (David Munden) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: updating web page Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 18:55:52 GMT Message-ID: <34ef2a86.2925086@mail.enterprise.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 263 Lines: 8 I am currently in the process of updating my web page and if any of you would like me to add a link to any of your web pages then please email me and I will include it. Also can you include a little info about your site contents. Thank you _ |_)avid (\/)unden From imc Wed Feb 18 21:13:59 1998 Subject: Re: Format and Crashed To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 21:13:59 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <6a809dde.34de2365@aol.com> from "BrenchleyR@aol.com" at Feb 8, 98 04:28:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 380 Lines: 9 On Sun, 8 Feb 1998 16:28:02 EST, BrenchleyR@aol.com said: > Therein is the problem. Some washing machine manufactures reset the boards > during fitting - ALL manuafactures now tell service engineers to reset the > boards whenever they get their hands on a machine. The question is why it needs resetting at all when it's been disconnected from the mains for several weeks. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Feb 18 21:38:50 1998 From: Matthew Craven Organization: UMIST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 20:39:31 BST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Query In-reply-to: <199802181355.NAA00820@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.52) Message-ID: <2387FB70CE@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 588 Lines: 20 > look, erm, something weird is obviously going on > > i've just been to the simcoupe web site and downloaded the following > file: > > http://www.hep.ucl.ac.uk/~ajs/simcoupe/simcbin.zip > > i saved it onto my harddrive, then typed > > md simcoupe > pkunzip simcbin.zip simcoupe > > and it works fine for me. i don't even get a file called simcbin.exe > Yes, thanks for the help - it works now - for some reason, my version of netscape was saving it as an .exe file, which I then tried to execute. But it works fine now. No sound though - is the SA1099 emulator any good? MJC. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Feb 18 21:38:50 1998 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 20:35:26 +0000 (GMT) From: Dave Handley To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Query In-Reply-To: <199802181355.NAA00820@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 752 Lines: 22 > look, erm, something weird is obviously going on > > i've just been to the simcoupe web site and downloaded the following > file: > > http://www.hep.ucl.ac.uk/~ajs/simcoupe/simcbin.zip I forgot to mention that I'm trying to run v0.74 as its supposed to support sound. I think it was here... http://www.hep.ucl.ac.uk/~ajs/simcoupe/simdevel.zip That file includes the SIMCBIN.EXE file which refuses to run. I'm confused! Dave ,---------------------------------------------------------, ,/ Dave Handley / ,/ Email - d.handley@lancaster.ac.uk /' / Visit - http://www.lancs.ac.uk/ug/handley/index.htm /' `---------------------------------------------------------' From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 19 12:35:15 1998 Message-Id: <199802191213.MAA15402@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 12:13:23 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Query References: <199802181355.NAA00820@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> In-reply-to: <2387FB70CE@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1675 Lines: 36 > Yes, thanks for the help - it works now - for some reason, my version > of netscape was saving it as an .exe file, which I then tried to > execute. But it works fine now. No sound though - is the SA1099 > emulator any good? yeh, i had a feeling it might've been a netscape-related problem... can't admit to using the thing myself though but i had heard it was confused by certain file types...! how hard can it be to write a browser which writes a .zip file to disk as a .zip file without renaming the extension ! (i ask you...) no sound - well, the saa emulator is sorta ok but doesn't emulate envelopes (not much of a loss) or any noise-based sounds (on a standard soundblaster) as far as i can make out. not sure if you get noise-based sounds for an sb16 or other cards from within the emulator (just not tried it yet). It also doesn't emulate the 'reset saa soundchip' command (um, sound 28,2 or sound 28,0... i think ...) so you'll probably get a lot of trailing 'sound' when you were expecting silence in a game... bit of a problem that one, sometimes also, the border-port sound is not emulated within simcoupe (yet) (and certainly not by the saa emulator) so the spectrum-like BEEP command, and other stuff that generates sound using the 254 port (POW, ZAP, BOOM, and the beeps you get when you type in something wrong in the BASIC line syntax checker) are completely silent apart from that, go for the saa emulation. it seems to sometimes slow a game down which is kinda weird (and it doesn't really work too well within windows 95) but it's a pleasant experience to play hexagonia and stuff and hear the music and sound effects. dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 19 12:35:17 1998 Message-Id: <199802191218.MAA16608@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 12:18:04 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Query References: <199802181355.NAA00820@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 757 Lines: 37 > I forgot to mention that I'm trying to run v0.74 as its supposed to > support sound. I think it was here... > > http://www.hep.ucl.ac.uk/~ajs/simcoupe/simdevel.zip > > That file includes the SIMCBIN.EXE file which refuses to run. > I'm confused! ** NO IT DOES NOT ** !!! i've just downloaded said zip file, pkunzipped it and here's what i found: change.log cwsdpmi.exe font.bin readme sam_rom0.rom sam_rom1.rom simcoupe.exe spectrum.rom simcoupe.log ** TRY AGAIN ** !! all i can think of is you've actually downloaded simcbin.zip and had it accidentally renamed to simcbin.exe .. unless you managed to save the simdevel.zip file to your disk as simcbin.exe ! (a feature which may or may not be included in your version of netscape) dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 19 12:35:17 1998 Message-Id: <199802191219.MAA17057@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 12:19:17 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: updating web page In-reply-to: <34ef2a86.2925086@mail.enterprise.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 327 Lines: 8 > I am currently in the process of updating my web page and if any of > you would like me to add a link to any of your web pages then please > email me and I will include it. Also can you include a little info > about your site contents. what's the url and what is it about? (of your webpage, that is) is it sam or general? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 19 15:33:59 1998 Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 14:55:11 +0000 (GMT) From: Dave Handley To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Query In-Reply-To: <199802191218.MAA16608@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 569 Lines: 18 > > http://www.hep.ucl.ac.uk/~ajs/simcoupe/simdevel.zip > > > > That file includes the SIMCBIN.EXE file which refuses to run. > > I'm confused! > > > ** NO IT DOES NOT ** !!! > ** TRY AGAIN ** !! Errr, ok, something tells me I was wrong. ;) Dave ,---------------------------------------------------------, ,/ Dave Handley / ,/ Email - d.handley@lancaster.ac.uk /' / Visit - http://www.lancs.ac.uk/ug/handley/index.htm /' `---------------------------------------------------------' From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 19 16:27:37 1998 From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <276c702b.34ec5b68@aol.com> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:18:41 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Format and Crashed Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 665 Lines: 18 In a message dated 18/02/98 21:41:43, you write: >On Sun, 8 Feb 1998 16:28:02 EST, BrenchleyR@aol.com said: >> Therein is the problem. Some washing machine manufactures reset the boards >> during fitting - ALL manuafactures now tell service engineers to reset the >> boards whenever they get their hands on a machine. > >The question is why it needs resetting at all when it's been disconnected >from the mains for several weeks. > >imc I assume that disconnecting from the mains either sees the clock still running, or sees the clock frozen rather than reset. Ask the people who make the machines, it is theri daft design that is causing the problem. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 19 19:08:16 1998 From: BillRitman@aol.com Message-ID: <7b4d918b.34ec8166@aol.com> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 14:00:52 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Windows 95 Close Button Positioning Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows sub 178 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 542 Lines: 20 In a message dated 16/02/98 23:19:55, you write: > > >It is the text of a set of principles adopted by the Software Publishers > >Association in the USA. Some say in direct responce to the current > Microsoft > >situation. > > I interpreted this as, basically, talking about the Microsoft Network and > bundling MSIE with their operating system. > > Which paragraphs in particular are you saying refer to their alleged > practice of contracting programmers to not write for other platforms? Principle 2. > > Andrew Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 19 19:29:11 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980219141538.006b7090@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 14:15:38 -0500 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Windows 95 Close Button Positioning In-Reply-To: <7b4d918b.34ec8166@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 705 Lines: 20 At 02:00 PM 2/19/98 EST, you wrote: >> Which paragraphs in particular are you saying refer to their alleged >> practice of contracting programmers to not write for other platforms? > >Principle 2. >Bill. This is actually concerned with counteracting Microsoft's policy of letting the OS developers talk to the Application developers, giving them an "unfair" advantage. It has nothing to do with contracting programmers not to write for other platforms. Simon *********************************************************** *Product Development Specialist/WebMaster/Graphic Designer* *Systems Architect/Analyst/GUI Design Manager/GDB/-cookie-* *********************************************************** From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 19 19:50:55 1998 From: Samsboss@Postmaster.co.uk (Brian) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 19:41:00 GMT Message-ID: <34ec89fa.24075165@mail.enterprise.net> X-Mailer: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 534 Lines: 17 Hello fellow SAM Users, SAMSBOSS would like to say "I'm Back :)" A few weeks ago it was brought to my attention that some little snort sent a message to this list saying they were me. Twere not me guv, honest, thems were imposterings me. Anywaysup. I'm back, though I'm not using a direct email address at the mo cos of all the probs I've had. I have been watching (you can't keep secrets from me you know). Now. Who is going to be first to insult me. Q starts here ---------->> -- SamsBoss. The One And Only. Accept No Others. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 19 19:51:10 1998 From: BillRitman@aol.com Message-ID: <2637daf.34ec8c26@aol.com> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 14:46:44 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Windows 95 Close Button Positioning Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows sub 178 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 726 Lines: 23 In a message dated 19/02/98 19:30:54, you write: > > At 02:00 PM 2/19/98 EST, you wrote: > >> Which paragraphs in particular are you saying refer to their alleged > >> practice of contracting programmers to not write for other platforms? > > > >Principle 2. > >Bill. > > This is actually concerned with counteracting Microsoft's policy of letting > the OS developers talk to the Application developers, giving them an > "unfair" advantage. > > It has nothing to do with contracting programmers not to write for other > platforms. > > Simon It is to do with Microsoft not treating ALL companies equal. And if you don't toe the Microsoft line then you don't get the information until it too late. Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 19 20:34:34 1998 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: sskardon@argonet.co.uk (Stewart Skardon) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 19 Feb 98 20:32:10 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1064 Lines: 32 On Thu 19 Feb 98 (19:41:00), samsboss@postmaster.co.uk wrote: >Hello fellow SAM Users, SAMSBOSS would like to say "I'm Back :)" > Hello BRIAN. Nice of you to give us your identity at last. >A few weeks ago it was brought to my attention that some little snort >sent a message to this list saying they were me. Twere not me guv, >honest, thems were imposterings me. > >Anywaysup. I'm back, though I'm not using a direct email address at the >mo cos of all the probs I've had. I have been watching (you can't keep >secrets from me you know). > >Now. Who is going to be first to insult me. Q starts here ---------->> >s. -- _ (_'tewart email : sskardon@argonet.co.uk ,_)kardon http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/stewart/ * * * NEW - Stewart's SAM Information Pages. * * * http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/sampages/ Crashed Magazine - The SAM Coupe and ZX Spectrum Magazine. Crashed WWW Site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon Crashed Email - crashed@argonet.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 19 21:17:47 1998 From: SparkY To: sam-users Subject: Re: Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 21:10:29 -0000 Message-Id: <01bd3d7a$ce3c3a80$2514a8c2@sparky> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 517 Lines: 13 >Hello fellow SAM Users, SAMSBOSS would like to say "I'm Back :)" > >A few weeks ago it was brought to my attention that some little snort >sent a message to this list saying they were me. Twere not me guv, >honest, thems were imposterings me. > >Anywaysup. I'm back, though I'm not using a direct email address at >the mo cos of all the probs I've had. I have been watching (you can't >keep secrets from me you know). > >Now. Who is going to be first to insult me. Q starts here ---------->> ME! NOW SOD OFF AGAIN! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 19 21:17:48 1998 From: SparkY To: sam-users Subject: Re: Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 21:15:04 -0000 Message-Id: <01bd3d7b$729549a0$2514a8c2@sparky> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1001 Lines: 24 -----Original Message----- From: Brian To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: 19 February 1998 19:52 >Hello fellow SAM Users, SAMSBOSS would like to say "I'm Back :)" > >A few weeks ago it was brought to my attention that some little snort >sent a message to this list saying they were me. Twere not me guv, >honest, thems were imposterings me. > >Anywaysup. I'm back, though I'm not using a direct email address at >the mo cos of all the probs I've had. I have been watching (you can't >keep secrets from me you know). You are still using Enterprise, it's painfully obvious to anyone taking the slightest peek at the headers - not only that, but if this *was* a Postmaster (a free email account provider for anyone who doesn't know) address, they put a disclaimer at the bottom of all their mails! ALSO, the address would be "postmaster.co.uk" not "Postmaster.co.uk" which you obviously typed in yourself. That's a bit crap. Never mind. NOW SOD OFF. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 19 21:22:28 1998 From: Matthew Craven Organization: UMIST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 21:19:00 BST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: In-reply-to: <01bd3d7b$729549a0$2514a8c2@sparky> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.52) Message-ID: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1023 Lines: 20 > >Hello fellow SAM Users, SAMSBOSS would like to say "I'm Back :)" > > > >A few weeks ago it was brought to my attention that some little snort > >sent a message to this list saying they were me. Twere not me guv, > >honest, thems were imposterings me. > > > >Anywaysup. I'm back, though I'm not using a direct email address at > >the mo cos of all the probs I've had. I have been watching (you can't > >keep secrets from me you know). > > > You are still using Enterprise, it's painfully obvious to anyone taking the > slightest peek at the headers - not only that, but if this *was* a > Postmaster (a free email account provider for anyone who doesn't know) > address, they put a disclaimer at the bottom of all their mails! ALSO, the > address would be "postmaster.co.uk" not "Postmaster.co.uk" which you > obviously typed in yourself. That's a bit crap. Never mind. NOW SOD OFF. Yes, he's right - this is getting totally tedious - what on earth is the point of all this? Is this BRIAN going to agree with BOB too? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 19 21:56:50 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: POSTMASTER From: davidledbury@postmaster.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <802565B0.007809FC.00@uks.postmaster.co.uk> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 21:51:10 +0000 Subject: Re: Format and Crashed Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 651 Lines: 20 On Sun, 8 Feb 1998 16:28:02 EST, BrenchleyR@aol.com said: >> Therein is the problem. Some washing machine manufactures reset the boards >> during fitting - ALL manuafactures now tell service engineers to reset the >> boards whenever they get their hands on a machine. >The question is why it needs resetting at all when it's been disconnected >from the mains for several weeks. > >imc No... the question should be is what's the state of the washing being left for those several weeks? I hope there's no socks being left to go smelly! ___________________________________ To sign up for a free email account, visit http://www.postmaster.co.uk. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 19 22:08:58 1998 From: chris To: sam-users Subject: Chris White Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 21:58:58 -0800 Message-ID: <01bd3dc4$a2736dc0$3b055cc3@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 225 Lines: 10 Hi Peeps, Chris White is still alive and I Have a question Is anyone out there who would OBJECT to me posting all my Sam Coupe stuff onto me Web page in Disk Image format for all to see Please let me know Bye From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 19 22:28:22 1998 Message-Id: <9802192220.AA05779@mars.cableol.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Neil Maynard To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 22:22:46 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Chris White In-Reply-To: <01bd3dc4$a2736dc0$3b055cc3@default> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 329 Lines: 22 Please do!!! We need more software!! Also put it up on NVG Neil Maynard > Hi Peeps, > Chris White is still alive and I Have a question > > Is anyone out there who would OBJECT to me posting all my Sam Coupe > stuff onto me Web page in Disk Image format for all to see > > Please let me know > > > Bye > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 19 22:33:05 1998 From: Matthew Craven Organization: UMIST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 22:28:25 BST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Chris White In-reply-to: <9802192220.AA05779@mars.cableol.net> References: <01bd3dc4$a2736dc0$3b055cc3@default> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.52) Message-ID: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 114 Lines: 12 Second that!!! MJC. > Please do!!! > > We need more software!! > > Also put it up on NVG > > > Neil Maynard From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 19 22:51:18 1998 From: chris To: sam-users Subject: Re: Chris White Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 22:38:05 -0800 Message-ID: <01bd3dca$195179a0$3b055cc3@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 115 Lines: 14 >Please do!!! > >We need more software!! > >Also put it up on NVG Back Again, Where is NVG ???????????? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 19 23:24:57 1998 Message-Id: <9802192252.AA14377@mars.cableol.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Neil Maynard To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 22:54:28 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Chris White References: <9802192220.AA05779@mars.cableol.net> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 187 Lines: 17 BTW What is the Web Address ?? Neil Maynard > Second that!!! > > MJC. > > > Please do!!! > > > > We need more software!! > > > > Also put it up on NVG > > > > > > Neil Maynard > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 19 23:25:14 1998 Message-Id: <9802192255.AA14659@mars.cableol.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Neil Maynard To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 22:57:32 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Chris White In-Reply-To: <01bd3dca$195179a0$3b055cc3@default> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 222 Lines: 23 ftp.nvg.ntnu.no/pub/sam-coupe in the incoming directory Neil Maynard > >Please do!!! > > > >We need more software!! > > > >Also put it up on NVG > > > Back Again, > Where is NVG ???????????? > > > > > > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 19 23:25:14 1998 From: SparkY To: sam-users Subject: Re: Chris White Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 23:04:57 -0000 Message-Id: <01bd3d8a$cc808d80$3a14a8c2@sparky> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 283 Lines: 15 >>Please do!!! >> >>We need more software!! >> >>Also put it up on NVG > > >Back Again, > Where is NVG ???????????? Hello Chris! Yes, please put whatever stuff you can/allowed to on NVG - ftp.nvg.ntnu.no/pub/sam-coupe in the incoming directory. *dribbles in anticipation* Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 19 23:25:15 1998 From: Gouranga@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:07:01 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Leeds!!! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 168 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 294 Lines: 10 > > Dan, you up for a couple of mad nights? > > As always. > > Any details on the show (Mark?) Nice one. All I know is Feb 28th in Wetherby. Can you give me a bell in the next day or so to make arrangements? Same number as always, but you won't get much of an answer till after 8pm... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 19 23:29:10 1998 From: SparkY To: sam-users Subject: Re: Chris White Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 23:24:23 -0000 Message-Id: <01bd3d8d$83704ce0$3a14a8c2@sparky> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 333 Lines: 7 Chris, just remembered - how far did you get with Pitlane? Would be great to see it, cos we actually don't have any racing games whatsoever. And what stuff are you planning to put up on your webpage/NVG? Stick everything up! *grins* Even unfinished stuff, with your permission, the talented bods on this list could finish it. Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 19 23:36:08 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980219182923.006b9c44@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:29:23 -0500 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Chris White In-Reply-To: <01bd3d8d$83704ce0$3a14a8c2@sparky> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 983 Lines: 25 At 11:24 PM 2/19/98 -0000, you wrote: >Status: > >Chris, just remembered - how far did you get with Pitlane? Would be great to >see it, cos we actually don't have any racing games whatsoever. And what >stuff are you planning to put up on your webpage/NVG? Stick everything up! >*grins* Even unfinished stuff, with your permission, the talented bods on >this list could finish it. I wonder... will this include the Populous stuff we worked on, Chris? Actually... Chris... if you wanna put up the Speccy version of Prince too, that'd be rather cool :) (Though some russian bods finished it... and I've always had this sneaky feeling they ripped off the SAM version to do it) Simon *********************************************************** *Product Development Specialist/WebMaster/Graphic Designer* *Systems Architect/Analyst/GUI Design Manager/GDB/-cookie-* *********************************************************** From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 19 23:51:56 1998 From: chris To: sam-users Subject: Re: Chris White Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 23:41:41 -0800 Message-ID: <01bd3dd2$fbde0560$3b055cc3@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 161 Lines: 8 Hi Simon, Glad to see that you are up what time is it over there, By the way this will included all the stuff you have sent me PARALLAX etc Chris From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 19 23:57:22 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980219184847.006b1134@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:48:47 -0500 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Chris White In-Reply-To: <01bd3dd2$fbde0560$3b055cc3@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 605 Lines: 23 At 11:41 PM 2/19/98 -0800, you wrote: >Status: > >Hi Simon, > Glad to see that you are up what time is it over there, > > By the way this will included all the stuff you have sent me PARALLAX >etc Eeeps! Be wary; some of that stuff may still be copyrighted. It's 6:48. Chris -- drop me your phone number in private, and I'll ring you *now* Simon *********************************************************** *Product Development Specialist/WebMaster/Graphic Designer* *Systems Architect/Analyst/GUI Design Manager/GDB/-cookie-* *********************************************************** From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Feb 20 00:36:37 1998 From: SparkY To: sam-users Subject: Re: Chris White Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:00:11 -0000 Message-Id: <01bd3d92$83ba8300$3a14a8c2@sparky> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 247 Lines: 12 >Be wary; some of that stuff may still be copyrighted. > >It's 6:48. > >Chris -- drop me your phone number in private, and I'll ring you *now* > >Simon Is this back onto the phone sex scandal that Maria told us about a short while ago? ;) Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Feb 20 00:36:37 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980219190752.006bc728@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 19:07:52 -0500 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Chris White In-Reply-To: <01bd3d92$83ba8300$3a14a8c2@sparky> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 475 Lines: 15 At 12:00 AM 2/20/98 -0000, you wrote: >Is this back onto the phone sex scandal that Maria told us about a short >while ago? ;) Damnit. Thought you wouldn't notice that. Oh well... back to walking the streets for a living... Simon *********************************************************** *Product Development Specialist/WebMaster/Graphic Designer* *Systems Architect/Analyst/GUI Design Manager/GDB/-cookie-* *********************************************************** From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Feb 20 00:36:39 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980219192842.006b7728@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 19:28:42 -0500 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Chris White In-Reply-To: <01bd3d92$83ba8300$3a14a8c2@sparky> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 392 Lines: 12 Just got off the phone with Chris. PitLane will be up online. Anyone want to finish it? We're talking source code, graphics etc. Same for Populous. *********************************************************** *Product Development Specialist/WebMaster/Graphic Designer* *Systems Architect/Analyst/GUI Design Manager/GDB/-cookie-* *********************************************************** From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Feb 20 09:54:22 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <002565B1.003598B6.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 09:48:23 +0000 Subject: Re: Chris White Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 439 Lines: 19 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Peeps, Chris White is still alive and I Have a question Is anyone out there who would OBJECT to me posting all my Sam Coupe stuff onto me Web page in Disk Image format for all to see Please let me know <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Does this include any update to Pro-DOS???????? One that can run ZAS and HiTech C????? Please say it does.. Pretty please.... (Or am I talking to the wrong author?) Justin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Feb 20 10:07:10 1998 From: ddoore@bacg.com Message-Id: Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:01:52 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: RE: Chris White MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /310000000/310102093/310102123/310460310/ X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 301 Lines: 23 > Does this include any update to Pro-DOS???????? One that can run ZAS > and HiTech C????? > > (Or am I talking to the wrong author?) Sir is thinking of Mr Chris Pile. aka The Black Baron. :-O Dan. Work: dandoore@bacg.com Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Feb 20 10:32:54 1998 Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 05:32:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802201032.FAA19699@smtp1.erols.com> X-Mailer: HandStamp Pro 1.0 Subject: Re:Re: Chris White Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Simon Cooke To: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk, sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 362 Lines: 14 >Does this include any update to Pro-DOS???????? One that can run ZAS >and HiTech C????? > >Please say it does.. Pretty please.... > >(Or am I talking to the wrong author?) > >Justin. Youse finkin of Chris Pile and/or Jonathan Taylor sleepless in Virginia --- This message scribbled for you by hand on a Palmpilot. Please excuse brevity and spelling mistakes. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Feb 20 15:11:41 1998 X-Authentication-Warning: holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk: pyumi owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:07:02 +0000 (GMT) From: Mark Sturdy X-Sender: pyumi@holly To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Leeds!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 304 Lines: 11 On Thu, 19 Feb 1998 Gouranga@aol.com wrote: > > > Dan, you up for a couple of mad nights? > > > > As always. > > > > Any details on the show (Mark?) If you continue to imply that I have anything to do with organizing this fiasco of a so-called bloody 'show', I shall be consulting my solicitor. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Feb 20 15:57:53 1998 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: sskardon@argonet.co.uk (Stewart Skardon) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 20 Feb 98 14:38:48 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Chris White Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 849 Lines: 35 On Thu 19 Feb 98 (21:58:58), chris@cid.prestel.co.uk wrote: >Hi Peeps, > Chris White is still alive and I Have a question > > Is anyone out there who would OBJECT to me posting all my Sam Coupe >stuff onto me Web page in Disk Image format for all to see > > Please let me know > Yes perlease. I'll give your web page a link as well..... Just tell us all what the URL is :-) > >Bye > > Stewart -- _ (_'tewart email : sskardon@argonet.co.uk ,_)kardon http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/stewart/ * * * NEW - Stewart's SAM Information Pages. * * * http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/sampages/ Crashed Magazine - The SAM Coupe and ZX Spectrum Magazine. Crashed WWW Site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon Crashed Email - crashed@argonet.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Feb 20 15:57:54 1998 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: sskardon@argonet.co.uk (Stewart Skardon) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 20 Feb 98 14:40:45 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Windows 95 Close Button Positioning Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 809 Lines: 33 On Thu 19 Feb 98 (14:00:52), billritman@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 16/02/98 23:19:55, you write: [snip] > >Bill. > > Personally, I don't really give a toss where the f**ing close icon is in Windows 95, just as long as it's got one, and it works. Now can we drop this BORING and totally pointless subject, and get back to something SAM related? Stewart -- _ (_'tewart email : sskardon@argonet.co.uk ,_)kardon http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/stewart/ * * * NEW - Stewart's SAM Information Pages. * * * http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/sampages/ Crashed Magazine - The SAM Coupe and ZX Spectrum Magazine. Crashed WWW Site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon Crashed Email - crashed@argonet.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Feb 20 16:43:29 1998 From: ddoore@bacg.com Message-Id: Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 16:36:20 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Cc: gouranga@aol.com Subject: RE: Leeds!!! MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /310000000/310102093/310102123/310460310/ X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 577 Lines: 26 > > > Any details on the show (Mark?) > > If you continue to imply that I have anything to do with organizing > this fiasco of a so-called bloody 'show', I shall be consulting my > solicitor. Don't spit your dummy! All I want is the date so that I can go out on the blag! Anybody else coming out (Col- Will ring you tonight) Dan. Work: dan@bacg.com Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/ ** NOTE** Internet Gateway has been replaced and may bounce messages back, please retry later as all DNS's have not yet updated. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Feb 20 17:25:00 1998 From: Samsboss@Postmaster.co.uk (Brian) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:03:23 GMT Message-ID: <34edb3f2.19189751@mail.enterprise.net> X-Mailer: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 640 Lines: 24 In a message dated 19/02/98 22:11:04, you write: > >>Hello fellow SAM Users, SAMSBOSS would like to say "I'm Back :)" >> >>A few weeks ago it was brought to my attention that some little snort >>sent a message to this list saying they were me. Twere not me guv, >>honest, thems were imposterings me. >> >>Anywaysup. I'm back, though I'm not using a direct email address at >>the mo cos of all the probs I've had. I have been watching (you can't >>keep secrets from me you know). >> >>Now. Who is going to be first to insult me. Q starts here ---------->> > >ME! NOW SOD OFF AGAIN! No. -- SamsBoss. The One And Only. Accept No Others. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Feb 20 17:25:00 1998 From: Samsboss@Postmaster.co.uk (Brian) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Chris White Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:03:31 GMT Message-ID: <34edb5d9.19676441@mail.enterprise.net> X-Mailer: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 469 Lines: 24 In a message dated 19/02/98 22:59:09, you write: > >Hi Peeps, > Chris White is still alive and I Have a question > > Is anyone out there who would OBJECT to me posting all my Sam Coupe >stuff onto me Web page in Disk Image format for all to see > > Please let me know > > >Bye > > No good saying "would anyone object" if you don't list what you plan to include. I mean, you don't include Lemmings do you? -- SamsBoss. The One And Only. Accept No Others. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Feb 20 17:25:01 1998 From: Samsboss@Postmaster.co.uk (Brian) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:03:29 GMT Message-ID: <34edb574.19575709@mail.enterprise.net> X-Mailer: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 202 Lines: 12 >Yes, he's right - this is getting totally tedious - what on earth is >the point of all this? Is this BRIAN going to agree with BOB too? On what? -- SamsBoss. The One And Only. Accept No Others. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Feb 20 17:25:02 1998 From: Samsboss@Postmaster.co.uk (Brian) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:03:25 GMT Message-ID: <34edb494.19351285@mail.enterprise.net> X-Mailer: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1413 Lines: 39 In a message dated 19/02/98 22:10:00, you write: > >-----Original Message----- >From: Brian >To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no >Date: 19 February 1998 19:52 > > >>Hello fellow SAM Users, SAMSBOSS would like to say "I'm Back :)" >> >>A few weeks ago it was brought to my attention that some little snort >>sent a message to this list saying they were me. Twere not me guv, >>honest, thems were imposterings me. >> >>Anywaysup. I'm back, though I'm not using a direct email address at >>the mo cos of all the probs I've had. I have been watching (you can't >>keep secrets from me you know). > > >You are still using Enterprise, it's painfully obvious to anyone taking the >slightest peek at the headers - not only that, but if this *was* a >Postmaster (a free email account provider for anyone who doesn't know) >address, they put a disclaimer at the bottom of all their mails! ALSO, the >address would be "postmaster.co.uk" not "Postmaster.co.uk" which you >obviously typed in yourself. That's a bit crap. Never mind. NOW SOD OFF. Of course I'm still using Enterprise, did I say I was not? I've just had to change the account name because of the mail-bombing last year - and I would not want peeps on this list to know my name now would I? Result, a Postmaster.co.uk address. Happy now you've had the explanation? -- SamsBoss. The One And Only. Accept No Others. From imc Fri Feb 20 17:30:58 1998 Subject: Re: To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:30:58 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <34edb494.19351285@mail.enterprise.net> from "Brian" at Feb 20, 98 05:03:25 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1124 Lines: 21 On Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:03:25 GMT, Brian said: > In a message dated 19/02/98 22:10:00, you write: > >You are still using Enterprise, it's painfully obvious to anyone taking the > >slightest peek at the headers - not only that, but if this *was* a > >Postmaster (a free email account provider for anyone who doesn't know) > >address, they put a disclaimer at the bottom of all their mails! ALSO, the > >address would be "postmaster.co.uk" not "Postmaster.co.uk" which you > >obviously typed in yourself. That's a bit crap. Never mind. NOW SOD OFF. > Of course I'm still using Enterprise, did I say I was not? I've just > had to change the account name because of the mail-bombing last year - > and I would not want peeps on this list to know my name now would I? > Result, a Postmaster.co.uk address. Happy now you've had the > explanation? No. If you are using a postmaster.co.uk address then you should send it via postmaster.co.uk. If you change the headers to make it look like it came from there without actually sending it through there then this constitutes forgery and you should be dealt with accordingly. imc From imc Fri Feb 20 17:31:43 1998 Subject: Re: Format and Crashed To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:31:43 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <802565B0.007809FC.00@uks.postmaster.co.uk> from "davidledbury@postmaster.co.uk" at Feb 19, 98 09:51:10 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 301 Lines: 9 On Thu, 19 Feb 1998 21:51:10 +0000, davidledbury@postmaster.co.uk said: > No... the question should be is what's the state of the washing being left > for > those several weeks? I hope there's no socks being left to go > smelly! Not to worry, it was unplugged because I hadn't bought it yet... imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Feb 20 19:41:06 1998 From: Samsboss@Postmaster.co.uk (Brian) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 19:10:42 GMT Message-ID: <34edc77d.563475@mail.enterprise.net> X-Mailer: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1894 Lines: 47 In a message dated 20/02/98 17:49:53, you write: > > On Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:03:25 GMT, Brian said: > > In a message dated 19/02/98 22:10:00, you write: > > >You are still using Enterprise, it's painfully obvious to anyone taking > the > > >slightest peek at the headers - not only that, but if this *was* a > > >Postmaster (a free email account provider for anyone who doesn't know) > > >address, they put a disclaimer at the bottom of all their mails! ALSO, > the > > >address would be "postmaster.co.uk" not "Postmaster.co.uk" which you > > >obviously typed in yourself. That's a bit crap. Never mind. NOW SOD OFF. > > > Of course I'm still using Enterprise, did I say I was not? I've just > > had to change the account name because of the mail-bombing last year - > > and I would not want peeps on this list to know my name now would I? > > Result, a Postmaster.co.uk address. Happy now you've had the > > explanation? > > No. If you are using a postmaster.co.uk address then you should > send it via postmaster.co.uk. Who says? My mailbox is Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk, that is set in the reply too field of any mail I send which I want to have the reply received in that mailbox. At the moment this is only Sam Users Mailing List items. It prevents anyone on this list finding out what my real mailbox name is. Do you have a problem with that. Because A) Enterprise do not, in fact it was their idea, and B) Postmaster.co do not. >If you change the headers to make it > look like it came from there without actually sending it through there > then this constitutes forgery and you should be dealt with accordingly. It does not. It would be if I forged the headers of another person's account in order to pass myself off as someone else - as some twit forged my headers a short while ago. > > imc > -- SamsBoss. The One And Only. Accept No Others. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Feb 20 21:27:29 1998 X-Authentication-Warning: lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk: pyumi owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 20:47:04 +0000 (GMT) From: Mark Sturdy X-Sender: pyumi@lily To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Format and Crashed In-Reply-To: <199802201731.RAA02123@chalca.comlab.ox.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 676 Lines: 25 Sorry, what's this got to do with Format and Crashed? If anyone replies to this, could they change the header please? It's getting embarrassing. :) On Fri, 20 Feb 1998, Ian Collier wrote: > On Thu, 19 Feb 1998 21:51:10 +0000, davidledbury@postmaster.co.uk said: > > No... the question should be is what's the state of the washing being left > > for > > those several weeks? I hope there's no socks being left to go > > smelly! > > Not to worry, it was unplugged because I hadn't bought it yet... > > imc > Luv, Mark "I'm bending over to tie my shoelaces and this bloke come up to me and says 'Mate, your shredded wheat's showing'. I think he was showing out." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Feb 20 21:27:29 1998 From: chris To: sam-users Subject: The Black And White Issue Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 21:10:21 -0800 Message-ID: <01bd3e87$0409cc60$LocalHost@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1419 Lines: 50 > SamBoss Wrote > >No good saying "would anyone object" if you don't list what you plan >to include. I mean, you don't include Lemmings do you? > > >-- >SamsBoss. >The One And Only. >Accept No Others. Greets , Why do you wish to kept a secret Identity ??? Oh well back to the issue at hand just incase anyone has mist the point here. After going though me disk and avin a laugh with the SIMCOUPE + SOUND, which I must say is absoulty brill. I though that someone might want what I have from me Sam days. Know this will include every disk I have, be it source code for Lemmings, Ohno More Lems, Prince Of Persia (SAM+SPECCY), 10% Populous , 25% Pitlane Misc Source from Various people (Unless they tell me not to) Not this will be everything so that people can recreate the above mentioned Games for them selves Misc Spectrum Stuff 128+48 The list will take about four years to compile and about 2 weeks to download....................... Things that I Will not be giving ECopy (By popular Request) FREDS OTHER MAGS SAM GAMES (Deprotected or not) COPY PROTECTION TO OTHER GAMES So please speak know or forever hold your peace. And please any request to take stuff of the list must have a valid argument that goes with it Chris White From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Feb 20 21:47:30 1998 X-Authentication-Warning: lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk: pyumi owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 21:40:18 +0000 (GMT) From: Mark Sturdy X-Sender: pyumi@lily To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: SAM2? In-Reply-To: <01bd3e87$0409cc60$LocalHost@default> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 329 Lines: 14 Bob - Where does the SAM2 project stand at the moment? Has there been much progress recently? Even if there hasn't, I think a lot of people would appreciate a recap. Luv, Mark "I'm bending over to tie my shoelaces and this bloke come up to me and says 'Mate, your shredded wheat's showing'. I think he was showing out." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Feb 20 23:11:25 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <34edc77d.563475@mail.enterprise.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 23:05:19 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1563 Lines: 37 At 7:10 pm +0000 20/2/98, Brian wrote: >received in that mailbox. At the moment this is only Sam Users Mailing >List items. It prevents anyone on this list finding out what my real >mailbox name is. > >Do you have a problem with that. Actually, yes I do have a problem with that. I have a problem with any anonymous postings on a list like sam-users. I have a problem with you saying how much you know about everything when noone can check your background. I have a problem with you insulting people without letting on who's doing the insulting. I have a problem with the possibility that you're just another alter-ego of someone else on the list, who is attempting to bait or flame people without smearing his own good name. I have a problem becuase this whole "anonymous" thing is designed to "put one over" on the rest of the Sam's online community, and to cause as much havoc as possible. I have a problem because I just don't believe you're called Brian. So I'm very likely to ignore everything you post. I hope you don't have a problem with that. Andrew --- +-----------------+----------------------------+--------------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | " | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk | Get your kicks | +-----------------+----------------------------+ on 8.124038405 | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | " | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | anon | +----------------------------------------------+--------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Feb 20 23:19:13 1998 Message-Id: <9802202315.AA05377@mars.cableol.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Neil Maynard To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 23:17:12 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: In-Reply-To: References: <34edc77d.563475@mail.enterprise.net> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1960 Lines: 47 I think that a lot of people have a problem with it. Why don't you just reveal your name and have done with it. There is no need for being anonymous on a mailing list such as ours. And if you do stay anonymous then I'm sure that most of the people on the list will ignore your postings completally Neil Maynard > At 7:10 pm +0000 20/2/98, Brian wrote: > > >received in that mailbox. At the moment this is only Sam Users Mailing > >List items. It prevents anyone on this list finding out what my real > >mailbox name is. > > > >Do you have a problem with that. > > Actually, yes I do have a problem with that. > > I have a problem with any anonymous postings on a list like sam-users. I > have a problem with you saying how much you know about everything when > noone can check your background. I have a problem with you insulting people > without letting on who's doing the insulting. > > I have a problem with the possibility that you're just another alter-ego of > someone else on the list, who is attempting to bait or flame people without > smearing his own good name. I have a problem becuase this whole "anonymous" > thing is designed to "put one over" on the rest of the Sam's online > community, and to cause as much havoc as possible. I have a problem because > I just don't believe you're called Brian. > > So I'm very likely to ignore everything you post. I hope you don't have a > problem with that. > > Andrew > > > --- > +-----------------+----------------------------+--------------------+ > | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | " | > | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk | Get your kicks | > +-----------------+----------------------------+ on 8.124038405 | > | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | " | > | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | anon | > +----------------------------------------------+--------------------+ > > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Feb 21 00:32:42 1998 From: SparkY To: sam-users Subject: Re: Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 00:19:39 -0000 Message-Id: <01bd3e5e$66516460$1914a8c2@sparky> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1067 Lines: 23 > I think that a lot of people have a problem with it. Why don't you > just reveal your name and have done with it. There is no need for > being anonymous on a mailing list such as ours. And if you do stay > anonymous then I'm sure that most of the people on the list will > ignore your postings completally > > Neil Maynard Problem is, the name Samsboss is another clone of a certain person on this list - the name Samsboss is used for making points that the real person doesn't have the guts to make, and also to annoy, pester, infuriate people - by the very nature of what Samsboss does, we can't ignore him. This time I suggest we put an end to all this bollocks and get rid of Samsboss before he, his fellow clone, and the real person mess up this mailing list anymore. Gavin ========================================================= Email: gavin.smith@cableol.co.uk IRC: Undernet's #TheLocal, #Sam-users, #Akeran (SparkY or SparkYY) #TheLocal webpage: http://www.infj.ulst.ac.uk/~ckh225 ICQ: 5099913 ========================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Feb 21 01:49:01 1998 From: PGLOVER43@aol.com Message-ID: <2683ed7.34ee3150@aol.com> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 20:43:42 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Samboss and co. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 168 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 947 Lines: 18 Over the years I've read many letters/articles by anonymous people using pseudonyms to make comments and points about various issues. They seem to consider that they have important insights into these matters, but cannot pluck up the courage to reveal their real names. Over recent months we've seen some heated arguments among SAM users, but most people have the guts to use their real names. I may agree/disagree with many of them, but at least I know who they are and I thank them for that. Adventure Probe magazine had a character known as "The Cockroach", SAM seems to have "Samboss". Most of their utterings are self-important cobblers, and the phrase 'sad twat' springs to mind. If you've a valid point to make, put your name to your message, or simply remain anonymous (if you must) but don't give yourself a crappy pseudonym to please your immature ego. Yours sincerely, Disgruntled of Birmingham (erm, that should say Phil Glover.) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Feb 21 10:42:28 1998 From: Gouranga@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 05:38:21 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Samboss and co. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 168 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 63 Lines: 5 Totally agree. Samsboss, as they say in Brookside... Do one. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Feb 21 10:51:53 1998 From: Matthew Craven Organization: UMIST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 10:48:37 BST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: In-reply-to: <34edb574.19575709@mail.enterprise.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.52) Message-ID: <13024E2278@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 198 Lines: 8 > >Yes, he's right - this is getting totally tedious - what on earth is > >the point of all this? Is this BRIAN going to agree with BOB too? > > On what? > Absolutely everything it seems! MJC. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Feb 21 11:20:01 1998 From: Samsboss@Postmaster.co.uk (Samsboss) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 11:16:22 GMT Message-ID: <34eead7e.1929515@mail.enterprise.net> X-Mailer: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2000 Lines: 49 In a message dated 20/02/98 23:23:46, you write: >I think that a lot of people have a problem with it. Why don't you >just reveal your name and have done with it. There is no need for >being anonymous on a mailing list such as ours. And if you do stay >anonymous then I'm sure that most of the people on the list will >ignore your postings completally > >Neil Maynard > > Hi Neil, I don't think I've had the pleasure of econversing with your good self before. I, like a lot of people on the Internet, prefer to keep my ident to myself. I have my reasons, all of which have been aired through this list in the past. I am not "anonymous", I am Samsboss. That is my ident with this list and with several others, and has been from the very start. I had to un-sub from the list for a while because of a email-bombing campaign launched rather by a stupid idiot I knew a few years ago at Uni (and no, that does not give my age away, I'm older than many here, tho I try not to act it all the time). I still received copies of all SAM Mailing List items, at times through another subscriber, at times through a number of different account names set up for the job. The only reason I've returned now in my real ident of Samsboss is because someone went to the trouble of forging a posting from me a couple of weeks ago. I thought it best to resub so there can be no doubt I'm here. With the workload I have at the moment I just set things to grab the mail from Postmaster.co and read it to me while I'm correcting proofs for the technical documentation on the new system which goes live in a few months. It is real nice to have your mail read to you :) So. Don't expect much input from me until at least May (maybe June if I have the holiday I keep thinking about). But I'm keeping the sub to the list running so I can jump on any more forged messages. I do hope this explains a few things, and I do hope we can get on with each other. Live long. -- SamsBoss. The One And Only. Accept No Others. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Feb 21 11:20:03 1998 From: Samsboss@Postmaster.co.uk (Samsboss) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Samboss and co. Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 11:16:18 GMT Message-ID: <34eeab07.1298481@mail.enterprise.net> X-Mailer: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1574 Lines: 42 In a message dated 21/02/98 02:16:59, you write: > >Over the years I've read many letters/articles by anonymous people using >pseudonyms to make comments and points about various issues. They seem to >consider that they have important insights into these matters, but cannot >pluck up the courage to reveal their real names. It is not a matter of "courage" as I've said so many times in the past. > >Over recent months we've seen some heated arguments among SAM users, but most >people have the guts to use their real names. I may agree/disagree with many >of them, but at least I know who they are and I thank them for that. > >Adventure Probe magazine had a character known as "The Cockroach", SAM seems >to have "Samboss". Most of their utterings are self-important cobblers, and >the phrase 'sad twat' springs to mind. You, my good sir, are entitled to that opinion. I may at time try to be a little less than totally serious - but I never post cobblers. > >If you've a valid point to make, put your name to your message, or simply >remain anonymous (if you must) but don't give yourself a crappy pseudonym to >please your immature ego. I would think, from information I have seen over the years, that I am more mature than most people on this list. My "crappy pseudonym" has been explained several times in the past. I like it, and certainly would not dream of changing it. > >Yours sincerely, Disgruntled of Birmingham (erm, that should say Phil >Glover.) Southerners! Always got something to moan about :). -- SamsBoss. The One And Only. Accept No Others. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Feb 21 12:56:10 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: POSTMASTER From: Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <802565B2.004370C8.00@uks.postmaster.co.uk> Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 12:16:39 +0000 Subject: Re: Hmmm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 309 Lines: 18 | Please don't think I disbelieve your story, but I'm just checking to see | whether this mail address bounces or not. | | Andrew | | It didn't. -- Samsboss - The One And Only. Accept No Others. ___________________________________ To sign up for a free email account, visit http://www.postmaster.co.uk. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Feb 21 13:24:25 1998 From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 08:21:41 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: SAM2? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1186 Lines: 37 In a message dated 20/02/98 21:49:35, you write: >Bob - > >Where does the SAM2 project stand at the moment? Has there been much >progress recently? Even if there hasn't, I think a lot of people would >appreciate a recap. > >Luv, > > > >Mark SOFTWARE: Current state is that I have two people (plus myself, on the rare occasions that I have some time to spare) going over the source code to the ROM and MasterDOS. This will lead (soon I hope) to a patch that will allow MasterDOS code to be called better from things like HDOS. Intention is to run a small batch of SRAM boards when a new batch of Mouse boards is ordered in the next couple of months. HARDWARE: Nev has come up with an interesting new idea which I am currently researching. It needs a connector that will plug into the ASIC socket so that the ASIC can be moved to a small plug-in board. At the moment I'm drawing a blank on trying to find one - anyone got any ideas. Also looking at the problem of the 1772. There are now very few left and they are getting bloody expensive. But any replacement is not code compatible and therefore need a rewrite of the DOS. This is, at the moment, my biggest headache. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Feb 21 13:28:15 1998 Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 13:23:52 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Sturdy To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: In-Reply-To: <01bd3e5e$66516460$1914a8c2@sparky> Message-ID: X-X-Sender: pyumi@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1382 Lines: 31 If this whole Samsboss thing is really causing problems to people, why doesn't someone report him to the list owner (who is the list owner, incidentally) and try and get him chucked off, rather than arguing about it on the list. On Sat, 21 Feb 1998, SparkY wrote: > > I think that a lot of people have a problem with it. Why don't you > > just reveal your name and have done with it. There is no need for > > being anonymous on a mailing list such as ours. And if you do stay > > anonymous then I'm sure that most of the people on the list will > > ignore your postings completally > > > > Neil Maynard > > Problem is, the name Samsboss is another clone of a certain person on this > list - the name Samsboss is used for making points that the real person > doesn't have the guts to make, and also to annoy, pester, infuriate people - > by the very nature of what Samsboss does, we can't ignore him. This time I > suggest we put an end to all this bollocks and get rid of Samsboss before > he, his fellow clone, and the real person mess up this mailing list anymore. > > Gavin > ========================================================= > Email: gavin.smith@cableol.co.uk > IRC: Undernet's #TheLocal, #Sam-users, #Akeran (SparkY or SparkYY) > #TheLocal webpage: http://www.infj.ulst.ac.uk/~ckh225 > ICQ: 5099913 > ========================================================= > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Feb 21 16:49:38 1998 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: sskardon@argonet.co.uk (Stewart Skardon) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sat, 21 Feb 98 16:43:23 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: A challenge Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 597 Lines: 23 Hello everyone. I've got a challenge for all you programmers out there... How about a SAM conversion of the classic arcade game Puzzle Bobble? Stewart -- _ (_'tewart email : sskardon@argonet.co.uk ,_)kardon http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/stewart/ * * * NEW - Stewart's SAM Information Pages. * * * http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/sampages/ Crashed Magazine - The SAM Coupe and ZX Spectrum Magazine. Crashed WWW Site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon Crashed Email - crashed@argonet.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Feb 21 17:04:58 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980221115628.006b1f54@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 11:56:28 -0500 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Web Ring Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 492 Lines: 15 Folks, Sorry about this, but it's time to remove those webring links from your pages. netFUSION Ltd. has gone into receivership. The site will be up for the time being, so it's up to you if you want to do it now, or when they pull the plug. Simon *********************************************************** *Product Development Specialist/WebMaster/Graphic Designer* *Systems Architect/Analyst/GUI Design Manager/GDB/-cookie-* *********************************************************** From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Feb 21 17:05:00 1998 From: chris To: sam-users Subject: Re: A challenge Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 16:53:51 -0800 Message-ID: <01bd3f2c$57afeca0$33025cc3@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 173 Lines: 12 >Hello everyone. > >I've got a challenge for all you programmers out there... > >How about a SAM conversion of the classic arcade game Puzzle Bobble? > >Stewart > Why??? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Feb 21 17:26:03 1998 From: Maria Rookyard To: sam-users Subject: Re: Samboss and co. Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 13:54:39 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 351 Lines: 21 ---------- > From: Samsboss > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Subject: Re: Samboss and co. > Date: 21 February 1998 11:16 > > > Southerners! Always got something to moan about :). > > -- > SamsBoss. > The One And Only. > Accept No Others. So do I take it /you're/ from somewhere south of Birmingham then? :) Maria. x From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Feb 21 17:36:53 1998 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: sskardon@argonet.co.uk (Stewart Skardon) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 21 Feb 98 17:33:29 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Web Ring Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 822 Lines: 35 On Sat 21 Feb 98 (11:56:28), scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk wrote: >Folks, > >Sorry about this, but it's time to remove those webring links from your >pages. > >netFUSION Ltd. has gone into receivership. > >The site will be up for the time being, so it's up to you if you want >to do >it now, or when they pull the plug. > >Simon > Can't we just move them to another server? Stewart -- _ (_'tewart email : sskardon@argonet.co.uk ,_)kardon http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/stewart/ * * * NEW - Stewart's SAM Information Pages. * * * http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/sampages/ Crashed Magazine - The SAM Coupe and ZX Spectrum Magazine. Crashed WWW Site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon Crashed Email - crashed@argonet.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Feb 21 17:40:53 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980221123508.006bbe20@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 12:35:08 -0500 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Web Ring In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 422 Lines: 13 At 05:33 PM 2/21/98, you wrote: >Can't we just move them to another server? If anyone's got ASP, or is willing to write a CGI-Bin version, or we use www.webring.org, sure. Simon *********************************************************** *Product Development Specialist/WebMaster/Graphic Designer* *Systems Architect/Analyst/GUI Design Manager/GDB/-cookie-* *********************************************************** From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Feb 21 18:40:56 1998 X-Authentication-Warning: lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk: pyumi owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 18:37:05 +0000 (GMT) From: Mark Sturdy X-Sender: pyumi@lily To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Web Ring In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980221115628.006b1f54@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 195 Lines: 10 On Sat, 21 Feb 1998, Simon Cooke wrote: > Folks, > > Sorry about this, but it's time to remove those webring links from your pages. > > netFUSION Ltd. has gone into receivership. Oh no! Erk. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Feb 21 18:47:06 1998 From: davidm@enterprise.net (David Munden) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: updating web page Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 18:44:06 GMT Message-ID: <34ec8a80.4308696@mail.enterprise.net> References: <199802191219.MAA17057@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <199802191219.MAA17057@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 400 Lines: 14 On Thu, 19 Feb 1998 12:19:17 +0000, you wrote: >what's the url and what is it about? (of your webpage, that is) The url is http://homepages.enterprise.net/davidm/ >is it sam or general? Well it started out life as a place for solutions to old spectrum adventure games, but now I am expanding it to include links to emulator sites and other places of interest, eg sam pages. _ |_)avid (\/)unden From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Feb 21 18:58:24 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <002565B2.006699D4.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 18:51:21 +0000 Subject: New ASIC (Was: Web Ring) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 831 Lines: 26 > Sorry about this, but it's time to remove those webring links from your pages. > > netFUSION Ltd. has gone into receivership. I wonder if Simon will get blamed for this aswell? You didn't write an artical about their future did you? (J/K) *gets on his flame-resistant Nuclear/Biological/Chemical warfare suit and ducks!* That gives me an idea... SAM's ASIC2 was dumped (let's not get into THAT argument again) for various reasons because of the need of 50,000-odd quid and the fact that VLSI still had huge stocks of the original ASIC unpaid for. (Don't bug me if I got this info wrong - it's for illustration purposes only) Anyway. that was a few years ago now, when manufactured chips were the norm. How about if we use today's technology? Using something like the Xilinx (spl?) chip? Something to think about? Justin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Feb 21 22:10:54 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980221170344.006b4560@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 17:03:44 -0500 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: New ASIC (Was: Web Ring) In-Reply-To: <002565B2.006699D4.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 588 Lines: 15 At 06:51 PM 2/21/98 +0000, you wrote: >Anyway. that was a few years ago now, when manufactured chips >were the norm. How about if we use today's technology? Using >something like the Xilinx (spl?) chip? Something to think about? I'd go for MASC (I may be wrong here) or FPGA chips for it myself -- they're well up to the task these days. Simon *********************************************************** *Product Development Specialist/WebMaster/Graphic Designer* *Systems Architect/Analyst/GUI Design Manager/GDB/-cookie-* *********************************************************** From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Feb 21 22:53:56 1998 Message-ID: <34EFCAAB.1015@postmaster.co.uk> Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 22:50:19 -0800 From: David Ledbury Organization: The Foundation for Green Eggs & Ham X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SAM2? References: <01bd3f11$b8904b20$1c14a8c2@sparky> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2237 Lines: 60 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > > SOFTWARE: > > Current state is that I have two people (plus myself, on the rare occasions > that I have some time to spare) going over the source code to the ROM and > MasterDOS. This will lead (soon I hope) to a patch that will allow MasterDOS > code to be called better from things like HDOS. Intention is to run a small > batch of SRAM boards when a new batch of Mouse boards is ordered in the next > couple of months. That's fair enough... but I presume, to ensure compatibility with other software, that you will be allowing free distribution of technical details and access information. Also, what facilities has this SRAM board got? How much memory does it allow to be used? What sort of price would it be? How easy will it be to access (ie - what ports are allocated?) Indeed, this gets me to another point. Port Allocation. This is an issue that needs to be checked with any hardware in existance - to ensure that no clash of ports will occur. I seem to recall that Simon Cooke raised this issue some time ago... > HARDWARE: > > Nev has come up with an interesting new idea which I am currently researching. > It needs a connector that will plug into the ASIC socket so that the ASIC can > be moved to a small plug-in board. At the moment I'm drawing a blank on trying > to find one - anyone got any ideas. Interesting idea. With the unlikelyhood of a new ASIC, is there anyway any additional features could be added to such a "plug-in" board? Or if, as Justin's posting, there exists programmable logic chips - can one be added in conjunction with the exisiting SAM ASIC on this board to improve/add further facilities in some manner? Keeping both the old ASIC and something of this nature would at least insure some form of compatibility. > Also looking at the problem of the 1772. There are now very few left and they > are getting bloody expensive. But any replacement is not code compatible and > therefore need a rewrite of the DOS. This is, at the moment, my biggest > headache. > Again - if programmable logic chips exist - can one be set up to emulate the 1772? Is there any form of emulating the chip? Does WD have any newer models with some degree of compatibility? David From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Feb 22 11:06:07 1998 From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <46b8295.34f005eb@aol.com> Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 06:03:04 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Where is? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 92 Lines: 7 Does anyone have a current email address or telephone number for Allan Clarkson? -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Feb 22 12:01:46 1998 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: sskardon@argonet.co.uk (Stewart Skardon) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 22 Feb 98 11:07:16 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Where is? Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 612 Lines: 24 On Sun 22 Feb 98 (06:03:04), brenchleyr@aol.com wrote: >Does anyone have a current email address or telephone number for Allan >Clarkson? > > Good question :-) Stewart -- _ (_'tewart email : sskardon@argonet.co.uk ,_)kardon http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/stewart/ * * * NEW - Stewart's SAM Information Pages. * * * http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/sampages/ Crashed Magazine - The SAM Coupe and ZX Spectrum Magazine. Crashed WWW Site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon Crashed Email - crashed@argonet.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Feb 22 12:53:15 1998 X-Authentication-Warning: holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk: pyumi owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 12:51:00 +0000 (GMT) From: Mark Sturdy X-Sender: pyumi@holly To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Where is? In-Reply-To: <46b8295.34f005eb@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 313 Lines: 16 On Sun, 22 Feb 1998 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > Does anyone have a current email address or telephone number for Allan > Clarkson? He's no longer got email access, but you can still reach him at: 16 The Avenue Manston LEEDS LS15 8JN (0113) 232 6726 (sorry if any of this is wrong, it's all from memory) Mark From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Feb 22 13:07:21 1998 From: Matthew Craven Organization: UMIST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 13:04:01 BST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Web Ring In-reply-to: <3.0.1.32.19980221115628.006b1f54@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.52) Message-ID: <2D43AE1B9C@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 340 Lines: 12 > Folks, > Sorry about this, but it's time to remove those webring links from your pages. > netFUSION Ltd. has gone into receivership. > The site will be up for the time being, so it's up to you if you want to do > it now, or when they pull the plug. > > Simon Darn, just when I was about to put my site on there! (I'm not joking) MJC. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Feb 22 13:07:21 1998 Message-ID: <020a01bd3f92$3df9d440$f03ca8c0@DavesPC.DOMAIN_ORCHID> From: David Zambonini To: sam-users Subject: The final curtain Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 13:02:47 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1037 Lines: 42 As much as I hate to do this, I'm afraid the time has come.... This is a serious post, any offers considered and I am willing to sell bits individually. The catch is arranging how the stuffs going to be delivered:- **** FOR SALE **** * SAM Coupe 512K * upgraded v2 ROM * 1 original citizen ultra slimline floppy drive * original power supply (with one new capacitor, slightly melted case!) * dog eared users manual (that is, the manual is scruffy, not a manual for dog eared users) * 1 Meg RAM * Comms interface * SAM Mouse interface (and mouse) * SAMDAC * Joystick splitter * MasterDOS * MasterBASIC * SAM Technical manual * Wop gamma * SAM Strikes out / Futureball * Defenders of the Earth * Prince of Persia * Batz n Balls * Escape from the planet of the robot monsters * Five on a treasure island * Sphera * Pipemania * Vegetable Vacation * E-Tracker * Star Atlas * Outwrite * The Sound machine * Assorted issues of FRED * Approx. 150 disks, with assorted stuff on them * Anything else I've forgotten DMZ --- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Feb 22 13:12:22 1998 From: Matthew Craven Organization: UMIST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 13:09:30 BST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: The final curtain In-reply-to: <020a01bd3f92$3df9d440$f03ca8c0@DavesPC.DOMAIN_ORCHID> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.52) Message-ID: <2D5BA17389@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 86 Lines: 8 > **** FOR SALE **** > > * upgraded v2 ROM > * SAMDAC How much for each? MJC. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Feb 22 13:20:59 1998 Message-ID: <021f01bd3f94$4d41a7a0$f03ca8c0@DavesPC.DOMAIN_ORCHID> From: David Zambonini To: sam-users Subject: Re: The final curtain Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 13:17:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 151 Lines: 16 >> **** FOR SALE **** >> >> * upgraded v2 ROM >> * SAMDAC > >How much for each? > Best offer I get within the next couple of weeks. DMZ --- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Feb 22 15:19:29 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 15:16:26 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Web Ring X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1283 Lines: 35 At 5:33 pm +0000 21/2/98, Stewart Skardon wrote: >On Sat 21 Feb 98 (11:56:28), scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk wrote: >>Folks, >> >>Sorry about this, but it's time to remove those webring links from your >>pages. >> >>netFUSION Ltd. has gone into receivership. >> >>The site will be up for the time being, so it's up to you if you want >>to do >>it now, or when they pull the plug. >Can't we just move them to another server? I think www.webring.org would maybe be the best plan at this point I'd be happy to do the organisation if no-one else wants to - although carou.sel isn't up for half of the year, and webring.org will need to know of a permanent homepage and email address. Note to whoever: I'm happy for my Sam pages to go onto the next ring. http:/carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/Sam/ Andrew --- +-----------------+----------------------------+--------------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | " | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk | Get your kicks | +-----------------+----------------------------+ on 8.124038405 | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | " | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | anon | +----------------------------------------------+--------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Feb 22 18:56:50 1998 Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 13:52:30 -0500 From: Gordon Wallis <101762.2062@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: A challenge To: "INTERNET:sam-users@nvg.unit.no" Message-ID: <199802221353_MC2-3449-C244@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 758 Lines: 22 Message text written by INTERNET:sam-users@nvg.unit.no >>I've got a challenge for all you programmers out there... >> >>How about a SAM conversion of the classic arcade game Puzzle Bobble? >> >>Stewart >> >Why??? Oh, for Christ's sake what kind of attitude is that? It's a perfectly sound challenge and, believe me*, I'd be up for it...If I could program. Graphics maybe... current projects permitting ;-) Though maybe we should set our sites a little lower, lest our loyal, commited band of coders find they "don't have the time to finish it". I'd settle for Bubble Bobble. * Ok, so none of you have any reason to trust me. At least I don't have any multiple personality disorders, including the tendancy to project multiple personalities on others... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Feb 22 19:08:29 1998 Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 19:06:22 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Sturdy To: "INTERNET:sam-users@nvg.unit.no" Subject: Spectrum: contempt? In-Reply-To: <199802221353_MC2-3449-C244@compuserve.com> Message-ID: X-X-Sender: pyumi@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 392 Lines: 8 I was just reading a review of one of the NSSS shows in AlchNews (the Spectrum diskzine), and the writer was saying how he tended to avoid the SAM-related stalls because of a feeling of contempt for the Spectrum that he felt emanated from them . . . anyone care to comment? I always thought SAM users were quite fond of the Speccy, especially seeing as most of us still use one . . . Mark From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Feb 22 20:33:16 1998 From: SparkY To: sam-users Subject: Sir Clive on the radio! Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 20:31:50 -0000 Message-Id: <01bd3fd0$e7c2e960$1e14a8c2@sparky> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 400 Lines: 10 For those who don't read comp.sys.sinclair, Sir Clive is being interviewed on Radio 4 at 9.30pm this evening. Gavin ========================================================= Email: gavin.smith@cableol.co.uk IRC: Undernet's #TheLocal, #Sam-users, #Akeran (SparkY or SparkYY) #TheLocal webpage: http://www.infj.ulst.ac.uk/~ckh225 ICQ: 5099913 ========================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Feb 22 20:41:31 1998 From: SparkY To: sam-users Subject: Re: Spectrum: contempt? Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 20:35:28 -0000 Message-Id: <01bd3fd1$6980b7c0$1e14a8c2@sparky> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1213 Lines: 24 >I was just reading a review of one of the NSSS shows in AlchNews (the >Spectrum diskzine), and the writer was saying how he tended to avoid the >SAM-related stalls because of a feeling of contempt for the Spectrum that >he felt emanated from them . . . anyone care to comment? I always thought >SAM users were quite fond of the Speccy, especially seeing as most of us >still use one . . . > >Mark Having never been to any of the shows, I can't comment, but I do know that I love the Spectrum (I have 8!), and I still love playing Speccy games, and collecting Speccy stuff. Also any SAM owners that I talk to, all love the Speccy, so I think whoever did that review was talking crap :) In fact, I'd probably say it's the other way round - any regulars on comp.sys.sinclair will know of the nasty remarks some of them come out with, in relation to our blue (black, green, pink and purple spotted, whatever) footed friend. Gavin ========================================================= Email: gavin.smith@cableol.co.uk IRC: Undernet's #TheLocal, #Sam-users, #Akeran (SparkY or SparkYY) #TheLocal webpage: http://www.infj.ulst.ac.uk/~ckh225 ICQ: 5099913 ========================================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Feb 22 20:41:31 1998 From: BillRitman@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 15:35:53 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Spectrum: contempt? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows sub 178 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 710 Lines: 17 In a message dated 22/02/98 19:07:02, you write: > > I was just reading a review of one of the NSSS shows in AlchNews (the > Spectrum diskzine), and the writer was saying how he tended to avoid the > SAM-related stalls because of a feeling of contempt for the Spectrum that > he felt emanated from them . . . anyone care to comment? I always thought > SAM users were quite fond of the Speccy, especially seeing as most of us > still use one . . . > > Mark > I would like to add my agreement to that. And also point out that Format, Sam Sup, Steve Nutting, SD Software (and that is just off the top of my head) all sell Spectrum stuff as well. Bill. (Still using his Speccy from time to time). From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Feb 22 21:15:49 1998 Message-ID: <34F10475.8DD@postmaster.co.uk> Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 21:09:09 -0800 From: David Ledbury Organization: The Foundation for Green Eggs & Ham X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: A challenge References: <199802221353_MC2-3449-C244@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 692 Lines: 19 Gordon Wallis wrote: > Graphics maybe... current projects permitting ;-) > Though maybe we should set our sites a little lower, lest our loyal, > commited band of coders find they "don't have the time to finish it". I'd > settle for Bubble Bobble. Bubble Bobble? Hmmmm.... Cookie? Have you still got any of your work on your version around? Perhaps someone could take it over? Failing that - surely a Games Master conversion would be pretty simple? > * Ok, so none of you have any reason to trust me. At least I don't have any > multiple personality disorders, including the tendancy to project multiple > personalities on others... Surely there's no-one here with that problem? David From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Feb 22 22:00:55 1998 From: chris To: sam-users Subject: Re: A challenge Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 21:49:50 -0800 Message-ID: <01bd401e$db17ab80$97055cc3@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1023 Lines: 34 >Gordon Wallis wrote: >> Graphics maybe... current projects permitting ;-) >> Though maybe we should set our sites a little lower, lest our loyal, >> commited band of coders find they "don't have the time to finish it". I'd >> settle for Bubble Bobble. > >Bubble Bobble? Hmmmm.... Cookie? Have you still got any of your work on >your version around? Perhaps >someone could take it over? > >Failing that - surely a Games Master conversion would be pretty simple? > >> * Ok, so none of you have any reason to trust me. At least I don't have any >> multiple personality disorders, including the tendancy to project multiple >> personalities on others... > >Surely there's no-one here with that problem? > >David > Okay It was a bit short a answer, doing the job would be okay and a very simple job (MAX 1 MONTH), if you get me some graphs , I'll Dig out me Sam+Pds (Or try using the Emulator to code on) and then the dreaded I remember how to do that mode ( It has been over 3 Years Ya Know ), it could be Fun???? Chris From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Feb 22 22:00:56 1998 Message-ID: <34F10DE3.2291@postmaster.co.uk> Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 21:49:23 -0800 From: David Ledbury Organization: The Foundation for Green Eggs & Ham X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Da do ROM ROM, Da do ROM ROM. (Was: Re: The final curtain) References: <2D5BA17389@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 300 Lines: 19 Matthew Craven wrote: > > > **** FOR SALE **** > > > > * upgraded v2 ROM > > * SAMDAC > > How much for each? > > MJC. Hmmmm there's an interesting point there... Has anyone else got a pre-version 3 ROM? If so, I'm sure Martin Rookyard still does upgrades for a VERY reasonable price! David From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Feb 22 22:25:28 1998 Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 22:20:56 +0000 (GMT) From: D A Fulton To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Da do ROM ROM, Da do ROM ROM. (Was: Re: The final curtain) In-Reply-To: <34F10DE3.2291@postmaster.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 295 Lines: 9 > Hmmmm there's an interesting point there... > > Has anyone else got a pre-version 3 ROM? > > If so, I'm sure Martin Rookyard still does upgrades for a VERY > reasonable price! Yes, he does, however, Martin - that reminds me, I never did receive my ROM from you, did you definitely post it? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Feb 22 23:02:17 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980222175427.006c06b8@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 17:54:27 -0500 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: A challenge In-Reply-To: <199802221353_MC2-3449-C244@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 662 Lines: 17 At 01:52 PM 2/22/98 -0500, you wrote: >Graphics maybe... current projects permitting ;-) >Though maybe we should set our sites a little lower, lest our loyal, >commited band of coders find they "don't have the time to finish it". I'd >settle for Bubble Bobble. Bubble Bobble would be more difficult than Puzzle Bobble as a coding project, I reckon. (Believe me, I started a conversion of it once upon a time :)) Simon *********************************************************** *Product Development Specialist/WebMaster/Graphic Designer* *Systems Architect/Analyst/GUI Design Manager/GDB/-cookie-* *********************************************************** From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Feb 22 23:02:18 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980222175609.006b4b48@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 17:56:09 -0500 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: A challenge In-Reply-To: <01bd401e$db17ab80$97055cc3@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 622 Lines: 17 At 09:49 PM 2/22/98 -0800, you wrote: >Okay It was a bit short a answer, doing the job would be okay and a very >simple job (MAX 1 MONTH), if you get me some graphs , I'll Dig out me >Sam+Pds (Or try using the Emulator to code on) and then the dreaded I >remember how to do that mode ( It has been over 3 Years Ya Know ), >it could be Fun???? Wanna join forces, Chris? :) Simon *********************************************************** *Product Development Specialist/WebMaster/Graphic Designer* *Systems Architect/Analyst/GUI Design Manager/GDB/-cookie-* *********************************************************** From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 23 00:05:00 1998 From: PGLOVER43@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 19:00:36 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Spectrum: contempt? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 168 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 872 Lines: 16 I'm also a Spectrum fan, and I still occasionally use my pre-Amstrad 128k Speccy, especially on cold days when the heat sink acts as a radiator. I use it with my Plus D disk drive system, and progressing to SAM was a logical step to take because of this. My main grumble about later versions of the Spectrum was the 3" disk system. Amstrad should have bolted on the Plus D system to make disk use very easy and cheap. The 3" disks were a major drawback to buying these machines. The Spectrum will always be regarded as a great computer for its time, and I'll be very sad if mine ever gives up the ghost. Joyous memories of ten minute tape loads, followed by the Speccy crashing are pure nostalgia, not the mention the wobbly edge connector! Still, it was all part of the fun and magic of those marvellous computers. Where's the challenge of loading a CD? Phil Glover. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 23 01:10:49 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <199802221353_MC2-3449-C244@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 01:06:31 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Spectrum: contempt? X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1086 Lines: 24 At 3:06 am +0000 23/2/98, Mark Sturdy wrote: >I was just reading a review of one of the NSSS shows in AlchNews (the >Spectrum diskzine), and the writer was saying how he tended to avoid the >SAM-related stalls because of a feeling of contempt for the Spectrum that >he felt emanated from them . . . Quite the reverse actually.... when I manned the Zodiac stall at one of the NSSS shows, I forget which - probably the second one, a few of the spectrum owners came up to me and were blatantly nasty about the Sam. One called it "so obviously a dead-end computer". Just observation. Andrew --- +-----------------+----------------------------+--------------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | " | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk | Get your kicks | +-----------------+----------------------------+ on 8.124038405 | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | " | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | anon | +----------------------------------------------+--------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 23 07:54:28 1998 Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 08:48:52 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9802230748.AA11986@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 422 Lines: 11 > > If this whole Samsboss thing is really causing problems to people, why > doesn't someone report him to the list owner (who is the list owner, > incidentally) and try and get him chucked off, rather than arguing about > it on the list. Incidentally, I am......but I am not in favour of removing indivduals from the list. Nor am I and favour of arguing, so please leave arguing-mode when entering SAM-zone... -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 23 08:23:54 1998 From: ddoore@bacg.com Message-Id: Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 8:17:02 +0000 To: dave@orctel.co.uk Cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: RE: The final curtain MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /310000000/310102093/310102123/310460310/ X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 146 Lines: 9 > * 1 Meg RAM I'll take it, how much d'ya want? Dan. Work: dan@armature.com Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 23 11:22:13 1998 From: Paul Walker Message-Id: <199802231116.LAA11147@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Web Ring In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980221115628.006b1f54@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> from Simon Cooke at "Feb 21, 98 11:56:28 am" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 11:16:56 +0000 (GMT) X-Approved: bill@whitehouse.gov X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 223 Lines: 8 > Sorry about this, but it's time to remove those webring links from your pages. > netFUSION Ltd. has gone into receivership. Does this mean that you'll be coming home, or do you like it too much over there now? :) Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 23 12:09:49 1998 From: ddoore@bacg.com Message-Id: Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 11:59:38 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: RE: Web Ring MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /310000000/310102093/310102123/310460310/ X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 464 Lines: 16 > I think www.webring.org would maybe be the best plan at this point Agreed. > I'd be happy to do the organisation if no-one else wants to - although > carou.sel isn't up for half of the year, and webring.org will need to know > of a permanent homepage and email address. I'll put it on my pages if there are no objections. Dan. Work: dan@armature.com [Not yet routing - use dan@bacg.com] Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 23 12:16:26 1998 From: Matthew Craven Organization: UMIST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 12:10:27 BST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Web Ring In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.52) Message-ID: <445F591ADA@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 361 Lines: 11 > > I think www.webring.org would maybe be the best plan at this point > > Agreed. > > > I'd be happy to do the organisation if no-one else wants to - although > > carou.sel isn't up for half of the year, and webring.org will need to > know > > of a permanent homepage and email address. > > I'll put it on my pages if there are no objections. Cool idea. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 23 12:35:01 1998 From: ddoore@bacg.com Message-Id: Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 12:30:37 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: RE: Web Ring MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /310000000/310102093/310102123/310460310/ X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 312 Lines: 19 > > I'll put it on my pages if there are no objections. > > Cool idea. That'll do for me. Webring 'samcoupe' created. I'm off to the pub, so I'll sort the rest out later. Dan. Work: dan@armature.com [Not yet routing - use dan@bacg.com] Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 23 15:01:11 1998 From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <4ee6d2d0.34f18c21@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:47:59 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: A challenge Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 309 Lines: 18 In a message dated 21/02/98 17:00:27, you write: >>Hello everyone. >> >>I've got a challenge for all you programmers out there... >> >>How about a SAM conversion of the classic arcade game Puzzle Bobble? >> >>Stewart >> > > >Why??? Because SAM need new programs, can you think of a better reason? -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 23 15:01:11 1998 From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <324d6251.34f18c23@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:48:01 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: New ASIC (Was: Web Ring) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 908 Lines: 26 In a message dated 21/02/98 18:59:58, you write: >That gives me an idea... > >SAM's ASIC2 was dumped (let's not get into THAT argument again) >for various reasons because of the need of 50,000-odd quid >and the fact that VLSI still had huge stocks of the original ASIC >unpaid for. (Don't bug me if I got this info wrong - it's for illustration >purposes only) VLSI can only account for around 12,000 chips at the mo, the rest are lost in their system (or so they say). There is enough in the WCC stock to cover future plans, and Colin McD paid out of his own money to buy a stock from Bruce Gordon a couple of years ago so that existing SAM owners are kept up and running. > >Anyway. that was a few years ago now, when manufactured chips >were the norm. How about if we use today's technology? Using >something like the Xilinx (spl?) chip? Something to think about? > >Justin. Got any details? -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 23 15:01:15 1998 From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <669c1de9.34f18c1f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:47:57 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: A challenge Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 319 Lines: 17 In a message dated 21/02/98 16:51:50, you write: >o > >Hello everyone. > >I've got a challenge for all you programmers out there... > >How about a SAM conversion of the classic arcade game Puzzle Bobble? > >Stewart Never seen it myself, what is it like? How difficult do you think it would be to do on SAM? -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 23 15:01:16 1998 From: The Mad Goose Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 14:43:21 GMT+0 Subject: Re: Samboss and co. X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <610ABC6FFA@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 410 Lines: 22 > > > > Southerners! Always got something to moan about :). > > > > -- > > SamsBoss. > > The One And Only. > > Accept No Others. > > So do I take it /you're/ from somewhere south of Birmingham then? :) Postcode was BB8 wasn't it? That's Blackburn... > > > Maria. > x > Peace, Love, Kisses... Johnna Pig Teare JPOL: http://www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna "I just want my future to live up to my past..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 23 15:36:15 1998 From: Maria Rookyard To: sam-users Subject: Re: Missing ROMs Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 15:19:21 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 472 Lines: 24 ---------- > From: D A Fulton > > If so, I'm sure Martin Rookyard still does upgrades for a VERY > > reasonable price! > > Yes, he does, however, Martin - that reminds me, I never did receive my > ROM from you, did you definitely post it? > Hi Dave, Yes, I know for a fact that it's been posted a good while back. Obviously Martin's at work at the minute but when he comes home I'll let him know you've not received it yet. Maria. x From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 23 15:36:15 1998 From: Maria Rookyard To: sam-users Subject: Re: A challenge Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 15:20:34 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 384 Lines: 21 ---------- > From: David Ledbury > > * Ok, so none of you have any reason to trust me. At least I don't have any > > multiple personality disorders, including the tendancy to project multiple > > personalities on others... > > Surely there's no-one here with that problem? > > David Well, it's not something I've ever suffered from. Maria. x From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 23 15:36:15 1998 From: Maria Rookyard To: sam-users Subject: Re: A challenge Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 15:21:10 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 346 Lines: 21 ---------- > From: David Ledbury > > * Ok, so none of you have any reason to trust me. At least I don't have any > > multiple personality disorders, including the tendancy to project multiple > > personalities on others... > > Surely there's no-one here with that problem? > > David Me neither. Maria. x From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 23 17:00:09 1998 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 14:51:07 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: A challenge In-Reply-To: <34F10475.8DD@postmaster.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a <8OHKkEUpoELRXgFKFsA4hwDBr8> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1062 Lines: 28 In message <34F10475.8DD@postmaster.co.uk>, David Ledbury writes >Gordon Wallis wrote: >> Graphics maybe... current projects permitting ;-) >> Though maybe we should set our sites a little lower, lest our loyal, >> commited band of coders find they "don't have the time to finish it". I'd >> settle for Bubble Bobble. > >Bubble Bobble? Hmmmm.... Cookie? Have you still got any of your work on >your version around? Perhaps >someone could take it over? > >Failing that - surely a Games Master conversion would be pretty simple? Simple - Yes. Slllllooooooowwwww - Definatley. Graham -- /====================================================\ +--------------+ | My proverb for this week: | |This Space For| | "The less bits, the less can go wrong... | | Hire - Ideal | | Unless you wobble something important at the back" | |For Weddings &| \==Graham Goring - graham@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk==/ | Bahmitzvas | My Website, coming to a server near you - SOON +--------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 23 18:24:51 1998 From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: A challenge Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 18:17:02 GMT Message-ID: <34f4853b.6107963@mail.enterprise.net> References: <199802221353_MC2-3449-C244@compuserve.com> In-Reply-To: <199802221353_MC2-3449-C244@compuserve.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1481 Lines: 40 On Sun, 22 Feb 1998 13:52:30 -0500, you wrote: >>>I've got a challenge for all you programmers out there... >>> >>>How about a SAM conversion of the classic arcade game Puzzle Bobble? > >>Why??? > >Oh, for Christ's sake what kind of attitude is that? It's a perfectly sound >challenge and, believe me*, I'd be up for it...If I could program. I think the idea is to do it for love. There'd be no money in it, so what's the point? I wouldn't buy it, and even if it was free I just couldn't be bothered. However, that's just my opinion. >Graphics maybe... current projects permitting ;-) >Though maybe we should set our sites a little lower, lest our loyal, >commited band of coders find they "don't have the time to finish it". I'd >settle for Bubble Bobble. What's wrong with the old versions anyway? I don't think anyone would be much impressed if Bubble Bobble was rewritten for mode 4 graphics. There are plenty clones for the Amiga and PC on PD. It'd be less than 'retro', it'd be sad. BTW, sorry Gordon. This little rant isn't directly aimed at you. It just reminds me of when Colin Jordan thought the SAM world really needed Splat. Manic Miner, okay, but Splat was a definite blot on SAM's cred - IMO. BTW(2) folks, off topic I know because it's about X128 - the speccy emulator. It's author has told me that he's almost there with emulation of the Plus D. So it looks like bye bye Z80. :-) Bye, Dave Whitmore http://homepages.enterprise.net/davewhitmore/INDEX.HTM From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 23 18:24:51 1998 From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Spectrum: contempt? Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 18:17:07 GMT Message-ID: <34f6857f.6176314@mail.enterprise.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 694 Lines: 21 On Sun, 22 Feb 1998 19:06:22 -0800 (PST), you wrote: >I was just reading a review of one of the NSSS shows in AlchNews (the >Spectrum diskzine), and the writer was saying how he tended to avoid the >SAM-related stalls because of a feeling of contempt for the Spectrum that >he felt emanated from them . . . anyone care to comment? I always thought >SAM users were quite fond of the Speccy, especially seeing as most of us >still use one . . . I'd just put it down to an inferiority complex. Cos after all, SAM /is/ superior.. isn't it? :) Those days of MCIBTYC are surely over now. All we get now is MPCIBTYPC. Bye, Dave Whitmore http://homepages.enterprise.net/davewhitmore/INDEX.HTM From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 23 18:51:55 1998 From: ddoore@bacg.com Message-Id: Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 18:49:47 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: RE: Web Ring MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /310000000/310102093/310102123/310460310/ X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 605 Lines: 20 > Me wanna be on it. :-) Both crashed, and my SAMPages. It's all automated at webring.org, once I have sorted out the HTML fragments and other things we should be away. There will be an 'Add Site' link which will take you to webring.org and you can enter your own site details. The Sam Coupe Web Ring Home Page http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/coupe/webring/ There's something already there, but it's not ready yet - I will let you know when all the bits are in place. Dan. Work: dan@armature.com [Not yet routing - use dan@bacg.com] Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 23 19:13:28 1998 From: Maria Rookyard To: sam-users Subject: Re: Samboss and co. Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 19:03:57 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 211 Lines: 7 > > > > So do I take it /you're/ from somewhere south of Birmingham then? :) > > Postcode was BB8 wasn't it? That's Blackburn... > > Not everyone spends their whole life in the town where they were born :) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 23 20:18:03 1998 Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 20:10:21 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Sturdy To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: The final curtain In-Reply-To: <020a01bd3f92$3df9d440$f03ca8c0@DavesPC.DOMAIN_ORCHID> Message-ID: X-X-Sender: pyumi@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 261 Lines: 8 Aren't we forgetting something here, amongst all the scrabbling for David Z's SAM gear? How about a great big ** THANK YOU ** and a massive pat on the back for all the great stuff we've had from David over the years? Cheers David, you will be missed. Mark From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 23 20:38:13 1998 From: chris To: sam-users Subject: Re: A challenge Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 20:28:53 -0800 Message-ID: <01bd40dc$b6b2dd00$LocalHost@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 652 Lines: 25 >Wanna join forces, Chris? > >:) > >Simon Well thats an interesting thought, So hears another one , Let all the people who peogrammed the SAM and still doing so please stand up and be counted, Then we all will write Software for our own amusement and never let anyone else see them. As other letters said "There is no money in it , .." I reply this is for good old fashion fun. By the way As to my original thought (POSTING STUFF) not all will be posted as soom will goto PERSONA , but when it sort out what and where whats left (Sould be about 75% WILL GET POSTED so 'E' me direct for the 'CC' to comment by the end of MARCH Chris From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 23 22:55:51 1998 Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 22:40:31 +0000 (GMT) From: D A Fulton To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: The final curtain In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 317 Lines: 8 > Aren't we forgetting something here, amongst all the scrabbling for > David Z's SAM gear? How about a great big ** THANK YOU ** and a massive > pat on the back for all the great stuff we've had from David over the > years? > > Cheers David, you will be missed. Having seen some of his software, I second that. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Feb 23 23:29:08 1998 Message-ID: <34F12435.5886@postmaster.co.uk> Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 23:24:37 -0800 From: David Ledbury Organization: The Foundation for Green Eggs & Ham X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: A nice glass of PORTs? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 150 Lines: 5 Okay .... serious/sensible question time... (now there's a change!) What ports are used on SAM? And I don't mean just the ones in the techy manual! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Feb 24 08:20:57 1998 Message-ID: <00b701bd40fc$96a9f960$f03ca8c0@DavesPC.DOMAIN_ORCHID> From: David Zambonini To: sam-users Subject: Re: The final curtain Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 08:16:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 426 Lines: 19 >> Aren't we forgetting something here, amongst all the scrabbling for >> David Z's SAM gear? How about a great big ** THANK YOU ** and a massive >> pat on the back for all the great stuff we've had from David over the >> years? >> >> Cheers David, you will be missed. > >Having seen some of his software, I second that. > > Eeeek. Thanks guys, but I suggest you praise those who deserve it more than I do... DMZ --- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Feb 24 09:34:45 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980224042434.006bf9cc@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 04:24:34 -0500 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: The final curtain In-Reply-To: <00b701bd40fc$96a9f960$f03ca8c0@DavesPC.DOMAIN_ORCHID> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 452 Lines: 14 At 08:16 AM 2/24/98 -0000, you wrote: >Eeeek. Thanks guys, but I suggest you praise those who deserve it more >than I do... Piffle. Dave, you're a damn fine coder, and it's a pity you're packing it in. Simon *********************************************************** *Product Development Specialist/WebMaster/Graphic Designer* *Systems Architect/Analyst/GUI Design Manager/GDB/-cookie-* *********************************************************** From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Feb 24 09:41:05 1998 Illegal-Object: Syntax error in Message-Id: value found on sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no: Message-Id: ^-Extraneous program text From: Dan Doore Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 9:37:42 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: New Web Ring MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /310000000/310102093/310102123/310460310/ X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-Id: <19980224093737Z49223-23170+994@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Status: RO Content-Length: 768 Lines: 26 Ladies & Germs, After a lot of swearing last night, the Sam Coupe Web Ring is up and running. The home URL is http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/coupe/webring/ All the commands you need are on this page. All people who were on the NetFUSION site will have to register themselves since Webring allocates ID's automatically and has provision for entering site descriptions and search keywords. All ring entries have a password so that URL's/Descriptions may be amended by the site owners. Please also note that Webring.org gets *very* busy when the US wakes up, so don't be alarmed if you get evil server errors - just retry. Dan. Work: dan@armature.com [Not yet routing - use dan@bacg.com] Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Feb 24 09:50:00 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980224043828.006c1384@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 04:38:28 -0500 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: New Web Ring In-Reply-To: <19980224093737Z49223-23170+994@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 463 Lines: 14 At 09:37 AM 2/24/98 +0000, you wrote: >Please also note that Webring.org gets *very* busy when the US wakes up, >so don't be alarmed if you get evil server errors - just retry. > >Dan. Cheers Dan -- you is a star. Simon *********************************************************** *Product Development Specialist/WebMaster/Graphic Designer* *Systems Architect/Analyst/GUI Design Manager/GDB/-cookie-* *********************************************************** From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Feb 24 10:40:44 1998 Message-ID: <01b301bd4110$19c0f480$f03ca8c0@DavesPC.DOMAIN_ORCHID> From: David Zambonini To: sam-users Subject: Re: The final curtain Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 10:36:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 256 Lines: 18 > >Piffle. > >Dave, you're a damn fine coder, and it's a pity you're packing it in. > >Simon Hey, selling my SAM doesn't effect my ability to code... DMZ --- Quote of the day (from B.I.T.:-) "I am Homer of Borg. You will be assimi...Ooo! Donuts!" From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Feb 24 11:09:11 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980224060153.006ba928@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 06:01:53 -0500 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: The final curtain In-Reply-To: <01b301bd4110$19c0f480$f03ca8c0@DavesPC.DOMAIN_ORCHID> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 379 Lines: 12 At 10:36 AM 2/24/98 -0000, you wrote: >Hey, selling my SAM doesn't effect my ability to code... Oi! Allan! You've got a convert! Simon *********************************************************** *Product Development Specialist/WebMaster/Graphic Designer* *Systems Architect/Analyst/GUI Design Manager/GDB/-cookie-* *********************************************************** From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Feb 24 12:05:17 1998 Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 11:53:54 +0000 (GMT) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@red.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Spectrum: contempt? In-Reply-To: <34f6857f.6176314@mail.enterprise.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 706 Lines: 19 On Mon, 23 Feb 1998, Dave wrote: > I'd just put it down to an inferiority complex. Cos after all, SAM > /is/ superior.. isn't it? :) > > Those days of MCIBTYC are surely over now. All we get now is > MPCIBTYPC. Perhaps MPPCG3IBTYIP2? Not that I actually have a G3 mind you... Or is this getting too obscure now, not to mention off-topic? Andrew +----------------------------------------+---------------------------+ | Second Law Of Thermodynamics: | Andrew Collier, 1B NatSci | | If you think things are in a | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | | mess now, just you wait.... | Selwyn College, Cambridge | +----------------------------------------+---------------------------+ From imc Tue Feb 24 12:22:14 1998 Subject: Re: To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 12:22:14 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <34edc77d.563475@mail.enterprise.net> from "Brian" at Feb 20, 98 07:10:42 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 892 Lines: 26 On Fri, 20 Feb 1998 19:10:42 GMT, Brian said: > > No. If you are using a postmaster.co.uk address then you should > > send it via postmaster.co.uk. > Who says? Why not? If you want to use Postmaster's services, why don't you use them properly? > Do you have a problem with that. Because A) Enterprise do not, in fact > it was their idea, and B) Postmaster.co do not. Have you asked them? > >If you change the headers to make it > > look like it came from there without actually sending it through there > > then this constitutes forgery and you should be dealt with accordingly. > It does not. I'm given to understand that all mail sent through Postmaster has a disclaimer added on the end. Yours does not, yet it has their email address on it. You seem to have contravened their policy of having a disclaimer at the bottom of all messages bearing their email address. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Feb 24 14:22:08 1998 From: Samsboss@Postmaster.co.uk (Samsboss) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 14:10:34 GMT Organization: Brotherhood of man. Message-ID: <34f2d25e.1715197@mail.enterprise.net> X-Mailer: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1611 Lines: 48 In a message dated 24/02/98 12:23:19, you write: >On Fri, 20 Feb 1998 19:10:42 GMT, Brian said: >> > No. If you are using a postmaster.co.uk address then you should >> > send it via postmaster.co.uk. > >> Who says? > >Why not? If you want to use Postmaster's services, why don't you use >them properly? I'm using one side of Postmaster, the reception side, I'm just not using their sending side because I do not need to. > >> Do you have a problem with that. Because A) Enterprise do not, in fact >> it was their idea, and B) Postmaster.co do not. > >Have you asked them? As I said, it was Enterprise who came up with the idea. As for Postmaster, they were sent a email asking if there was any problems with doing it they way I am, that was over two weeks ago and there has been no reply so I assume it is OK by them. > >> >If you change the headers to make it >> > look like it came from there without actually sending it through there >> > then this constitutes forgery and you should be dealt with accordingly. > >> It does not. > >I'm given to understand that all mail sent through Postmaster has a >disclaimer added on the end. Yours does not, yet it has their email >address on it. You seem to have contravened their policy of having a >disclaimer at the bottom of all messages bearing their email address. If I use their email system there is an advertising message - not a disclaimer - place at the end of each message. How I publish my email address is up to me and I don't think that has anything to do with Postmaster.co. > >imc > > -- SamsBoss. The One And Only. Accept No Others. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Feb 24 14:39:16 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <002565B5.004EF39B.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 14:26:46 +0000 Subject: Re: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 527 Lines: 15 > As I said, it was Enterprise who came up with the idea. As for > Postmaster, they were sent a email asking if there was any problems > with doing it they way I am, that was over two weeks ago and there has > been no reply so I assume it is OK by them. *laughs* That sounds like the guy selling sections of the Moon and Mars. He wrote to NASA, ESA and the Russion Space Agency asking if they had any problems. They never replied either and now he's conned all his customers into believing that they own a section! Justin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Feb 24 16:02:27 1998 From: Samsboss@Postmaster.co.uk (Samsboss) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 15:46:46 GMT Organization: Brotherhood of man. Message-ID: <34f2eaf6.8009328@mail.enterprise.net> X-Mailer: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 676 Lines: 27 >> As I said, it was Enterprise who came up with the idea. As for >> Postmaster, they were sent a email asking if there was any problems >> with doing it they way I am, that was over two weeks ago and there has >> been no reply so I assume it is OK by them. > *laughs* > That sounds like the guy selling sections of the Moon and Mars. He > wrote to NASA, ESA and the Russion Space Agency asking if they > had any problems. They never replied either and now he's conned > all his customers into believing that they own a section! > Justin You mean I _don't_ own all that real estate on Mars I purchased last year? -- SamsBoss. The One And Only. Accept No Others. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Feb 24 16:18:36 1998 Message-ID: <033801bd413f$21b99f00$f03ca8c0@DavesPC.DOMAIN_ORCHID> From: David Zambonini To: sam-users Subject: Re: Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 16:12:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 144 Lines: 12 > >You mean I _don't_ own all that real estate on Mars I purchased last >year? Hey, you sold me a timeshare on Olympus Mons...... DMZ --- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Feb 24 16:40:23 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <002565B5.005884EC.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 16:17:22 +0000 Subject: Re: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 626 Lines: 17 > You mean I _don't_ own all that real estate on Mars I purchased last > year? Sorry, but - ummm - it's a resounding "No". (Even though I think you are being sarcastic there...) You may have a certificate, but how the hell are you going to get up there to enfore anything if some American colonists decides to set up camp in "your patch"? Can you imagine Mission Control in, say, 2050: "Sorry, Colonist Carrier 034. You may not, repeat, do not make an emergency landing in sector 00023-08633 until we have contacted Samsboss who bought the land in the mid 1990's... He'll sue the $%*& out of us for trespassing." Justin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Feb 24 23:02:37 1998 From: Peter Harkess To: David Zambonini Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 06:47:16 +0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <020a01bd3f92$3df9d440$f03ca8c0@DavesPC.DOMAIN_ORCHID> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: The final curtain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 411 Lines: 19 David Zambonini While summoning a demon,chanted, "The final curtain": >As much as I hate to do this, I'm afraid the time has come.... >This is a serious post, any offers considered and I am willing to >sell bits individually. The catch is arranging how the stuffs going >to be delivered:- >**** FOR SALE **** >* 1 Meg RAM >* MasterDOS >DMZ >--- How Much for each of these??? -- cheers Peter Harkess From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Feb 25 10:39:12 1998 Message-ID: <00f601bd41d8$a8eba9c0$f03ca8c0@DavesPC.DOMAIN_ORCHID> From: David Zambonini To: sam-users Subject: Re: The final curtain Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 10:31:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 556 Lines: 26 >David Zambonini While summoning a demon,chanted, "The final curtain": >>As much as I hate to do this, I'm afraid the time has come.... >>This is a serious post, any offers considered and I am willing to >>sell bits individually. The catch is arranging how the stuffs going >>to be delivered:- > >>**** FOR SALE **** > >>* 1 Meg RAM >>* MasterDOS > >>DMZ >>--- >How Much for each of these??? > You're not getting anything until I'm told what all this "summoning a demon" stuff is. I've summoned several daemons in my time, but no demons.... DMZ --- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Feb 25 16:55:53 1998 Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 16:50:08 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Sturdy To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: In-Reply-To: <34f2d25e.1715197@mail.enterprise.net> Message-ID: X-X-Sender: pyumi@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1838 Lines: 54 Can't you people discuss this privately or something? It's not very SAM-related, is it? On Tue, 24 Feb 1998, Samsboss wrote: > In a message dated 24/02/98 12:23:19, you write: > > >On Fri, 20 Feb 1998 19:10:42 GMT, Brian said: > >> > No. If you are using a postmaster.co.uk address then you should > >> > send it via postmaster.co.uk. > > > >> Who says? > > > >Why not? If you want to use Postmaster's services, why don't you use > >them properly? > > I'm using one side of Postmaster, the reception side, I'm just not > using their sending side because I do not need to. > > > >> Do you have a problem with that. Because A) Enterprise do not, in fact > >> it was their idea, and B) Postmaster.co do not. > > > >Have you asked them? > > As I said, it was Enterprise who came up with the idea. As for > Postmaster, they were sent a email asking if there was any problems > with doing it they way I am, that was over two weeks ago and there has > been no reply so I assume it is OK by them. > > > >> >If you change the headers to make it > >> > look like it came from there without actually sending it through there > >> > then this constitutes forgery and you should be dealt with accordingly. > > > >> It does not. > > > >I'm given to understand that all mail sent through Postmaster has a > >disclaimer added on the end. Yours does not, yet it has their email > >address on it. You seem to have contravened their policy of having a > >disclaimer at the bottom of all messages bearing their email address. > > If I use their email system there is an advertising message - not a > disclaimer - place at the end of each message. How I publish my email > address is up to me and I don't think that has anything to do with > Postmaster.co. > > > >imc > > > > > > -- > SamsBoss. > The One And Only. > Accept No Others. > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Feb 25 17:38:57 1998 From: Matthew Craven Organization: UMIST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 17:27:47 BST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: References: <34f2d25e.1715197@mail.enterprise.net> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.52) Message-ID: <79A99222E3@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2039 Lines: 60 > Can't you people discuss this privately or something? It's not very > SAM-related, is it? Yeah - but SamsBoss is the Master of Knowledge about the SAM, so it is related :) :) > On Tue, 24 Feb 1998, Samsboss wrote: > > > In a message dated 24/02/98 12:23:19, you write: > > > > >On Fri, 20 Feb 1998 19:10:42 GMT, Brian said: > > >> > No. If you are using a postmaster.co.uk address then you should > > >> > send it via postmaster.co.uk. > > > > > >> Who says? > > > > > >Why not? If you want to use Postmaster's services, why don't you use > > >them properly? > > > > I'm using one side of Postmaster, the reception side, I'm just not > > using their sending side because I do not need to. > > > > > >> Do you have a problem with that. Because A) Enterprise do not, in fact > > >> it was their idea, and B) Postmaster.co do not. > > > > > >Have you asked them? > > > > As I said, it was Enterprise who came up with the idea. As for > > Postmaster, they were sent a email asking if there was any problems > > with doing it they way I am, that was over two weeks ago and there has > > been no reply so I assume it is OK by them. > > > > > >> >If you change the headers to make it > > >> > look like it came from there without actually sending it through there > > >> > then this constitutes forgery and you should be dealt with accordingly. > > > > > >> It does not. > > > > > >I'm given to understand that all mail sent through Postmaster has a > > >disclaimer added on the end. Yours does not, yet it has their email > > >address on it. You seem to have contravened their policy of having a > > >disclaimer at the bottom of all messages bearing their email address. > > > > If I use their email system there is an advertising message - not a > > disclaimer - place at the end of each message. How I publish my email > > address is up to me and I don't think that has anything to do with > > Postmaster.co. > > > > > >imc > > > > > > > > > > -- > > SamsBoss. > > The One And Only. > > Accept No Others. > > > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Feb 25 17:38:57 1998 Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 17:33:27 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Sturdy To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: In-Reply-To: <79A99222E3@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> Message-ID: X-X-Sender: pyumi@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 270 Lines: 9 On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Matthew Craven wrote: > > Can't you people discuss this privately or something? It's not very > > SAM-related, is it? > > Yeah - but SamsBoss is the Master of Knowledge about the SAM, so it > is related :) :) Oh, now you're just asking for it. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Feb 25 18:02:08 1998 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: sskardon@argonet.co.uk (Stewart Skardon) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 25 Feb 98 17:53:45 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 909 Lines: 36 On Wed 25 Feb 98 (17:27:47), mcbi6mc2@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk wrote: > >> Can't you people discuss this privately or something? It's not very >> SAM-related, is it? Can't you people cut the bits out of messages that everyone has seen loads of times before? > >Yeah - but SamsBoss is the Master of Knowledge about the SAM, so it >is related :) :) > >> On Tue, 24 Feb 1998, Samsboss wrote: >> >> > In a message dated 24/02/98 12:23:19, you write: >> > > > Stewart -- _ (_'tewart email : sskardon@argonet.co.uk ,_)kardon http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/stewart/ * * * NEW - Stewart's SAM Information Pages. * * * http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/sampages/ Crashed Magazine - The SAM Coupe and ZX Spectrum Magazine. Crashed WWW Site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon Crashed Email - crashed@argonet.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Feb 25 22:57:43 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980225175200.006c765c@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 17:52:00 -0500 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Don't Forget! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 492 Lines: 16 Folks... back to the bane of my life again. Memory management. Any recommendations for a malloc-style scheme? In fact, anyone out there with more experience in algorythm design than me willing to spec it out so that I can implement it? Ian? Simon *********************************************************** *Product Development Specialist/WebMaster/Graphic Designer* *Systems Architect/Analyst/GUI Design Manager/GDB/-cookie-* *********************************************************** From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 26 00:05:53 1998 X-Authentication-Warning: lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk: pyumi owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 00:02:28 +0000 (GMT) From: Mark Sturdy X-Sender: pyumi@lily To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Spectrum: contempt? (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1424 Lines: 36 I forwarded everyone's comments on the recent "Do SAM owners regard the Speccy with contempt" threat to Andy Davis, the writer of the original article, and this is his reply. Thought some of you might be interested. Take care, Mark "Hello Tony." "Hello, Control." ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 25 Feb 98 19:23:43 GMT From: Andy Davis To: Mark Sturdy Subject: Re: Spectrum: contempt? (fwd) Ta for the comments. I must agree that I completely overlooked the contempt that Spectrum users also have for the SAM. A number of ex-FORMAT subscribers who came to me after ceasing their subs is that they were sick to death of having the SAM shoved down their throats. They felt that they were pressurised into buying one to get the most from Format. Anyway, please pass this onto all who commented. I'd just like to apologise to those who actually do like the Spectrum and do not think of it as a minority machine. After all it was the most popular 8 bit computer of the 80's, has been around much longer, has many, many, many more users etc. (Sorry, just couldn't resist one final dig!). As a former QL user, I can sympathise with your cause and long may you all continue. Andy Davis Bsc. Alchemist Research, Sinclair & emulators User Group Alchemist Main site: http://www.alchemist.clara.net Alchemist PD site : http://www.cix.co.uk/~mharrop From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 26 10:57:38 1998 From: BillRitman@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 05:51:50 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows sub 178 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1234 Lines: 28 In a message dated 24/02/98 16:40:34, you write: > > > You mean I _don't_ own all that real estate on Mars I purchased last > > year? > > Sorry, but - ummm - it's a resounding "No". (Even though I think you > are being sarcastic there...) > > You may have a certificate, but how the hell are you going to get up > there to enfore anything if some American colonists decides to set > up camp in "your patch"? > > Can you imagine Mission Control in, say, 2050: "Sorry, Colonist Carrier > 034. You may not, repeat, do not make an emergency landing in sector > 00023-08633 until we have contacted Samsboss who bought the land > in the mid 1990's... He'll sue the $%*& out of us for trespassing." > > Justin. IIRC, by UN convention space is international and no country can lay claim to any land /except/ by colonisation (sp?) and only then they may only annex that land which they can use at the time. But, the article said that this was a matter for countries that has signed the UN decloration of the free exploration of space. It /may/ not apply to individuals if they can ge there without help from their government - but don't tell Bill Gates will you. Bill. (happy with his small house on terra-veryfirm. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 26 11:14:43 1998 From: Paul Walker Message-Id: <199802261111.LAA29333@lupin.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: In-Reply-To: from Mark Sturdy at "Feb 25, 98 04:50:08 pm" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 11:11:07 +0000 (GMT) X-Approved: bill@whitehouse.gov X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 161 Lines: 6 > Can't you people discuss this privately or something? It's not very > SAM-related, is it? Did you have to quote the entire message to make that point? Paul From imc Thu Feb 26 11:35:51 1998 Subject: Re: To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 11:35:51 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: from "BillRitman@aol.com" at Feb 26, 98 05:51:50 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 303 Lines: 8 On Thu, 26 Feb 1998 05:51:50 EST, BillRitman@aol.com said: > It /may/ not apply to individuals if they can ge there > without help from their government - but don't tell Bill Gates will you. Why not - do you not think it would be a good idea to send Bill Gates to Mars?... imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 26 11:53:21 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <002565B7.0040476C.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 11:43:19 +0000 Subject: Re: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 187 Lines: 8 > Why not - do you not think it would be a good idea to send Bill Gates > to Mars?... No.. not Mars.. i want to go there... Send him to Venus.. or better still, Uranus! *groan* Justin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 26 11:53:21 1998 Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 11:44:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Paul Walker X-Sender: csuan@lupin To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: In-Reply-To: <199802261135.LAA15214@chalca.comlab.ox.ac.uk> Message-ID: "X-Archive: no" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 341 Lines: 10 On Thu, 26 Feb 1998, Ian Collier wrote: > Why not - do you not think it would be a good idea to send Bill Gates > to Mars?... Remember that story by Jules Verne? ----- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ----- FidoNet : 2:254/60.11 2:442/103.13 ---> http://www.trak-one.co.uk/foti <--- From imc Thu Feb 26 11:58:36 1998 Subject: Re: To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 11:58:36 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: from "Paul Walker" at Feb 26, 98 11:44:07 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 116 Lines: 6 On Thu, 26 Feb 1998 11:44:07 +0000 (GMT), Paul Walker said: > Remember that story by Jules Verne? Which one? imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 26 12:25:59 1998 Message-ID: <011301bd42b0$86516340$f03ca8c0@DavesPC.DOMAIN_ORCHID> From: David Zambonini To: sam-users Subject: Re: Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 12:17:06 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 112 Lines: 9 > > Remember that story by Jules Verne? > > Which one? Are we on to the year 2000 problems again? :) DMZ --- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 26 12:30:43 1998 Message-ID: <011801bd42b1$9b1f3440$f03ca8c0@DavesPC.DOMAIN_ORCHID> From: David Zambonini To: sam-users Subject: Re: Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 12:24:51 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 81 Lines: 6 Perhaps I should explain my last comment:- "2000 years under the C" ;) DMZ --- From imc Thu Feb 26 12:35:52 1998 Subject: Re: To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 12:35:52 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <011801bd42b1$9b1f3440$f03ca8c0@DavesPC.DOMAIN_ORCHID> from "David Zambonini" at Feb 26, 98 12:24:51 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 275 Lines: 8 On Thu, 26 Feb 1998 12:24:51 -0000, David Zambonini said: > Perhaps I should explain my last comment:- > "2000 years under the C" ;) Perhaps you should since I don't think any sane person would instantly spot the connection between "20000 leagues" and "2000 years"... imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 26 12:45:42 1998 From: "E.P.R.P. Blink" Organization: Hanzehogeschool Groningen To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 13:36:35 MET Subject: Floppy Disks X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <395A40F1F33@mail1.pl.hanze.nl> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 847 Lines: 21 The 1772 disc controller is indeed very hard to get. I could find one at all. The only replacement I know of for it is the one used in the ATARI ST which also can cope with HDD formats but its also hard to get and expensive. An alternative would be to use a 765 related floppy disc controller as used in PCs. But this one works in a totaly diferent way. And requires rewriting the DOS as I did to use hard disks (BDOS). And who is willing to rewrite it ? (Not me !) So how about a ZIP drive then? It also needs rewriting of the DOS but it would be more challenging to do so. The only problem I've got with ZIP drives is that I can't get my hands on any documentation on how to control it. Does any body know ? Or is anybody interrested on using a ZIP drive with SAM and willing to search for documentation ? Edwin Blink From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 26 13:58:51 1998 From: Paul Walker Message-Id: <199802261307.NAA10932@lupin.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: In-Reply-To: <199802261158.LAA15324@chalca.comlab.ox.ac.uk> from Ian Collier at "Feb 26, 98 11:58:36 am" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 13:07:17 +0000 (GMT) X-Approved: bill@whitehouse.gov X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 112 Lines: 5 > > Remember that story by Jules Verne? > Which one? Travelling to the moon. By means of a very very big gun. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 26 13:58:51 1998 Message-ID: <015101bd42b8$1d10d520$f03ca8c0@DavesPC.DOMAIN_ORCHID> From: David Zambonini To: sam-users Subject: Re: Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 13:11:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 277 Lines: 13 > > Perhaps I should explain my last comment:- > > "2000 years under the C" ;) > > Perhaps you should since I don't think any sane person would instantly > spot the connection between "20000 leagues" and "2000 years"... > Ah, that's where I have the advantage... DMZ --- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 26 13:58:52 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <002565B7.0033A4E1.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 13:12:13 +0000 Subject: Re: Don't Forget! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1252 Lines: 27 > Memory management. > > Any recommendations for a malloc-style scheme? In fact, anyone out there > with more experience in algorythm design than me willing to spec it out so > that I can implement it? Actually, I'm working on such a scheme myself for my application platform. Actually, it's a very simple system: not caring on who owns the memory (although that will probably be added in future). Basically, it's a 32K page dedicated in mapping out the entire 512K space. Each byte represents 16bytes in real memory. Memory is allocated in 16byte chunks by searching through the 32K memory-map to find the first hole available in a "first fit" algorithm. The first two bytes in the allocated memory chunk tells the allocation routine how long the chunk is (in map-bytes). The code has the ability of being able to check whether you want the block of memory to straddle a page boundary or not. (for blocks less than 16382, of course). I know it's not the best way, but it's the way I want my memory handler to work. Not only that, you can mask off areas of memory where you don't want memory allocated from such as areas covered by DOS and a screen. And I'll implement a better algolrithm when the rest of the project gets off the ground... Justin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 26 13:58:53 1998 Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 14:48:19 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9802261348.AA06978@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Floppy Disks X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 639 Lines: 13 > So how about a ZIP drive then? It also needs rewriting of the DOS but > it would be more challenging to do so. > The only problem I've got with ZIP drives is that I can't get my hands on > any documentation on how to control it. > Does any body know ? Or is anybody interrested on using a ZIP drive > with SAM and willing to search for documentation ? Iomega (the manufacturer) is very unwilling to release documentation. I seem to remember that the guy who did the Linux driver by carefully logging the activity to the paralell port and thereby reverse engineer the whole lot. The Linux driver should be stable though. -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 26 14:24:40 1998 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: References: <002565B7.0040476C.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware X-{giggle}: Lots! From: The Giggler Date: 26 Feb 1998 14:17:34 +0000 In-Reply-To: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk's message of "Thu, 26 Feb 1998 11:43:19 +0000" Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.66/Emacs 19.34 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 323 Lines: 13 Justin_Skists@case.co.uk writes: > > Why not - do you not think it would be a good idea to send Bill Gates > > to Mars?... > > No.. not Mars.. i want to go there... Send him to Venus.. or better still, > Uranus! *groan* To be frank I'd rather not have Bill gate's anywhere near my anus ... Lee. -- Yawn And Walk North From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 26 15:43:55 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <002565B7.005588EF.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 15:35:05 +0000 Subject: Re: New ASIC (Was: Web Ring) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 272 Lines: 9 I wrote: >>Anyway. that was a few years ago now, when manufactured chips >>were the norm. How about if we use today's technology? Using >>something like the Xilinx (spl?) chip? Something to think about? Mr. Bob B. asked: > Got any details? Have a peep at www.xilinx.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 26 18:21:25 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980226120649.006bd9c4@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 12:06:49 -0500 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Floppy Disks In-Reply-To: <395A40F1F33@mail1.pl.hanze.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1154 Lines: 23 At 01:36 PM 2/26/98 MET, you wrote: >So how about a ZIP drive then? It also needs rewriting of the DOS but >it would be more challenging to do so. >The only problem I've got with ZIP drives is that I can't get my hands on >any documentation on how to control it. >Does any body know ? Or is anybody interrested on using a ZIP drive >with SAM and willing to search for documentation ? Well, apart from not knowing the parallel-port transfer spec for it -- and that would probably require an ECP parallel port at the very least -- I do know that it acts generally as an ATAPI device (ie. it uses the SCSI command set) -- and that's how it's accessed internally in Windows NT. If nFl hadn't gone into receivership, I might have been able to get hold of drivers for the internal ones, which AFAIK, work as an IDE ATAPI device -- so it'd be similar to attaching a CD-ROM device to the back of the SAM. Simon *********************************************************** *Product Development Specialist/WebMaster/Graphic Designer* *Systems Architect/Analyst/GUI Design Manager/GDB/-cookie-* *********************************************************** From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 26 20:43:43 1998 Message-ID: <34F4EBDC.7C21@postmaster.co.uk> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 20:13:16 -0800 From: David Ledbury Organization: The Foundation for Green Eggs & Ham X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Floppy Disks References: <3.0.1.32.19980226120649.006bd9c4@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 697 Lines: 17 Simon Cooke wrote: > > At 01:36 PM 2/26/98 MET, you wrote: > >So how about a ZIP drive then? It also needs rewriting of the DOS but > >it would be more challenging to do so. > >The only problem I've got with ZIP drives is that I can't get my hands on > >any documentation on how to control it. > >Does any body know ? Or is anybody interrested on using a ZIP drive > >with SAM and willing to search for documentation ? > > Well, apart from not knowing the parallel-port transfer spec for it -- and > that would probably require an ECP parallel port at the very least -- I do What about the "Superdisk" drives? They deal with 120M disks as well as conventional floppy? Any details about them? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 26 20:51:21 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980226154428.006c5ba4@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 15:44:28 -0500 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Floppy Disks In-Reply-To: <34F4EBDC.7C21@postmaster.co.uk> References: <3.0.1.32.19980226120649.006bd9c4@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 852 Lines: 23 >What about the "Superdisk" drives? They deal with 120M disks as well as >conventional floppy? > >Any details about them? If we're going to make a technology decision, we may as well make a good one. The problem is that I've not seen much of the 120M disk technology out and about and in use. Zip and Jazz, however, look like the newest de facto standard. It's getting to the point where you can't buy a machine without a built in Zip Drive. This is a Good Thing. Therefore... I'd go straight for Zip or Jazz rather than trying out an option that doesn't currently have the computer market's favour. Simon *********************************************************** *Product Development Specialist/WebMaster/Graphic Designer* *Systems Architect/Analyst/GUI Design Manager/GDB/-cookie-* *********************************************************** From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 26 21:18:24 1998 Message-ID: <34F4F9DE.2A48@postmaster.co.uk> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 21:13:02 -0800 From: David Ledbury Organization: The Foundation for Green Eggs & Ham X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Floppy Disks References: <3.0.1.32.19980226120649.006bd9c4@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> <3.0.1.32.19980226154428.006c5ba4@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 738 Lines: 24 > > If we're going to make a technology decision, we may as well make a good one. For SAM, it'd be a nice change. > The problem is that I've not seen much of the 120M disk technology out and > about and in use. True > Zip and Jazz, however, look like the newest de facto standard. It's getting > to the point where you can't buy a machine without a built in Zip Drive. > This is a Good Thing. Very true - although I have my doubts it'll replace 3.5's straight away. > Therefore... I'd go straight for Zip or Jazz rather than trying out an > option that doesn't currently have the computer market's favour. Sounds fair enough... but how easy is it to get the techy details then... judging by earlier postings - not very. David From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Feb 26 22:54:47 1998 Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 22:51:13 +0000 (GMT) From: D A Fulton To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Floppy Disks In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980226154428.006c5ba4@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 422 Lines: 11 > Zip and Jazz, however, look like the newest de facto standard. It's getting > to the point where you can't buy a machine without a built in Zip Drive. > This is a Good Thing. > > Therefore... I'd go straight for Zip or Jazz rather than trying out an > option that doesn't currently have the computer market's favour. > I agree. The fact that I already *own* a zip drive isn't affecting my judgement - honest :) Dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Feb 27 00:23:36 1998 From: Peter Harkess To: David Zambonini Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 07:59:24 +0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00f601bd41d8$a8eba9c0$f03ca8c0@DavesPC.DOMAIN_ORCHID> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: The final curtain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 673 Lines: 29 David Zambonini While summoning a demon,chanted, "Re: The final curtain": >>>**** FOR SALE **** >> >>>* 1 Meg RAM >>>* MasterDOS >> >>>DMZ >>>--- >>How Much for each of these??? >> >You're not getting anything until I'm told what all this "summoning a demon" >stuff is. I've summoned several daemons in my time, but no demons.... >DMZ >--- Well Demons are from Deva and Daemons come from Hades(i think)Demons can be summoned to help with the haggling of prices when trying to buy goods.Daemons can be summoned for various reason mostly involving violence and lots of blood. Now then how about the prices,also the price for masterbasic. -- cheers Peter Harkess From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Feb 27 05:33:08 1998 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 00:29:33 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802270529.AAA05020@smtp1.erols.com> X-Mailer: HandStamp Pro 1.0 Subject: Coming Home Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Simon Cooke To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 635 Lines: 15 Hi folks... I'm coming back to blighty! Looks like I may (depending on exactly when) make it to the Gloucester show yet! (in which case I'll let you know for sure nearer the time, and I'll be up for the *party*... And I may need a lift... Erk...) Btw: I *may* have my comp.sys.sinclair "it's crap - in a funky skillo kind of a way" T-shirt done by then - for your own version, go to: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc/cssitscrap.gif I'll post the address for the Adobe Illustrator/EPS version from the office tomorrow... Simon --- This message scribbled for you by hand on a Palmpilot. Please excuse brevity and spelling mistakes. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Feb 27 07:41:03 1998 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:38:31 +0100 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9802270738.AA12517@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Floppy Disks X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 343 Lines: 11 > > Well, apart from not knowing the parallel-port transfer spec for it -- and > > that would probably require an ECP parallel port at the very least -- I do > > What about the "Superdisk" drives? They deal with 120M disks as well as > conventional floppy? > > Any details about them? Yes, stay clear. They are unreliable at best. -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Feb 27 09:14:22 1998 Message-ID: <028901bd435f$631de6a0$f03ca8c0@DavesPC.DOMAIN_ORCHID> From: David Zambonini To: sam-users Subject: Re: The final curtain (frontier?) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:08:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1974 Lines: 62 >>>>* 1 Meg RAM >>>>* MasterDOS >Now then how about the prices,also the price for masterbasic. Errmmm... currently the offers seem to be around 30 quid for the 1 Meg and around 2 quid for MasterDos. Right, It's about time I updated everybody on the current state of play. I won't name any names here, but you know who you are. Currently, the Comms Interface and the 1 Meg RAM are the most popular items. As I've said, I can't give a price, I'll just take the best offer I recieve (mainly because I've been away for the SAM long enough now not to have a clue what anything is worth any more!!). I have had an offer to take quite a bit of the stuff off me in one go, so I'm expecting a reply soon to verify this (hint hint). Its difficult to actually price the individual items since nearly everybody seems to be giving a price for several items. To keep this as simple as possible, if you could all just give me offers on individual items (remember, I'm going to have to pay p&p), I should be able to work out who's getting what some time next week. So, to sum up - 1) Please, could everybody email me with a list of **individual** offers, including anyone who's already made me a combined offer, or anybody who has asked the price of something and hasn't received a reply ( I have loads of mail coming through, sometimes it's difficult to sort through it all ). 2) From this, I should be able to give everybody a rough indication of pricing. 3) People will now probably all change their minds. 4) Final decision on who's got what, based on how much they'll pay me (hey, I'm not a charity.. :) ), but **partly based on how much good they can do with what they get - I'm only selling this stuff so it goes back into use and does the SAM community some good , after all**. I hope this clarifies things and doesn't make me look too much like a scheming, money-grabbing conniving thing.... :) DMZ --- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Feb 27 12:49:17 1998 From: SparkY To: sam-users Subject: Re: Coming Home Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 12:43:46 -0000 Message-Id: <01bd437d$5842fcc0$LocalHost@SPARKY> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 754 Lines: 21 -----Original Message----- From: Simon Cooke > Hi folks... > > I'm coming back to blighty! He's coming home, he's coming home, Cookie, Cookie's coming home! Hurrah! I had a dream about you last night Mr Cooke ;) ;) No, don't worry, it wasn't that kind of dream (that was another night). I dreamt about the show on Saturday and you were there giving a lecture to about 1000 SAM people. For some reason everyone was bored and were playing hangman with each other. (There was a big blue SAM logo on the wall, which was cool). After a few hours of Cookie talking, a plane crashed into the hall, but we all escaped. Just thought I would let you know. (I've just woken up, and yes I know what time it is, but I'm a student). Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Feb 27 13:23:37 1998 Message-Id: <9802271307.AA28142@mars.cableol.net> From: Neil Maynard To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:06:25 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Coming Home In-Reply-To: <01bd437d$5842fcc0$LocalHost@SPARKY> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 713 Lines: 21 > He's coming home, he's coming home, Cookie, Cookie's coming home! > Hurrah! > I had a dream about you last night Mr Cooke ;) ;) No, don't worry, it wasn't > that kind of dream (that was another night). I dreamt about the show on > Saturday and you were there giving a lecture to about 1000 SAM people. For > some reason everyone was bored and were playing hangman with each other. > (There was a big blue SAM logo on the wall, which was cool). After a few > hours of Cookie talking, a plane crashed into the hall, but we all escaped. > Just thought I would let you know. (I've just woken up, and yes I know what > time it is, but I'm a student). > > Gavin > > Gavin, You still drunk or something ?? Neil From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Feb 27 14:00:28 1998 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:47:44 +0000 (GMT) From: Mark Sturdy To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: A gentle reminder X-Sender: pyumi@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 379 Lines: 10 Northern SAM and Spectrum Show Tomorrow (Saturday 28th Feb) St. James' Church Hall, Wetherby, West Yorkshire Many people will be there. Lots of SAM and Spectrum companies will have stands, including Persona, Crashed, Oasis Software, The ZX Files, Allan's Bargain Basement, Fred (sort of), Alchemist Research, and some others, probably. It will be good. You should all go. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Feb 27 17:43:26 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <56281d23.34f6f750@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 12:26:37 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Floppy Disks Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 744 Lines: 24 In a message dated 26/02/98 22:52:21, you write: >o > >> Zip and Jazz, however, look like the newest de facto standard. It's getting >> to the point where you can't buy a machine without a built in Zip Drive. >> This is a Good Thing. >> >> Therefore... I'd go straight for Zip or Jazz rather than trying out an >> option that doesn't currently have the computer market's favour. >> >I agree. The fact that I already *own* a zip drive isn't affecting my >judgement - honest :) > >Dave But we already have a hard disc system - why would we need to go for something like a Zip drive? I*t would be going more than a little over the top for SAM at the moment. Next thing on my list would be tape backup for the hard drive I think. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Feb 27 17:43:26 1998 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: sskardon@argonet.co.uk (Stewart Skardon) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 27 Feb 98 17:38:09 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: NSSS Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 669 Lines: 24 Hi folks, Seeing as I won't be seeing you all tomorrow, I thought that I would just send a quick Email telling you not to have too much fun without me :-) Enjoy the show, and tell me all about it when you get back. Stewart -- _ (_'tewart email : sskardon@argonet.co.uk ,_)kardon http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/stewart/ * * * NEW - Stewart's SAM Information Pages. * * * http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/sampages/ Crashed Magazine - The SAM Coupe and ZX Spectrum Magazine. Crashed WWW Site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon Crashed Email - crashed@argonet.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Feb 27 17:48:39 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980227124000.006c50cc@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 12:40:00 -0500 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Floppy Disks In-Reply-To: <56281d23.34f6f750@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 671 Lines: 19 At 12:26 PM 2/27/98 EST, you wrote: >But we already have a hard disc system - why would we need to go for something >like a Zip drive? I*t would be going more than a little over the top for SAM >at the moment. > >Next thing on my list would be tape backup for the hard drive I think. Why not just use a Zip drive for the backup? I think that the next thing on my list would be a complete DOS for the hard drive, anyway. Simon *********************************************************** *Product Development Specialist/WebMaster/Graphic Designer* *Systems Architect/Analyst/GUI Design Manager/GDB/-cookie-* *********************************************************** From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Feb 27 18:36:45 1998 From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Floppy Disks Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 18:29:29 GMT Message-ID: <34f80146.5821044@mail.enterprise.net> References: <56281d23.34f6f750@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <56281d23.34f6f750@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1382 Lines: 41 On Fri, 27 Feb 1998 12:26:37 EST, you wrote: Bob, >>I agree. The fact that I already *own* a zip drive isn't affecting my >>judgement - honest :) >> >>Dave > >But we already have a hard disc system - why would we need to go for something >like a Zip drive? I*t would be going more than a little over the top for SAM >at the moment. > >Next thing on my list would be tape backup for the hard drive I think. AFAIK, there are two hard drive systems. One that is available now by SD, and with an incomplete DOS (which someone in CSS recently said was no longer being developed). The second is the ATOM, which as far as I know hasn't been officially released, and I am lead to believe, has a good working DOS, but it doesn't work in the same way as the first. If I were looking for a hard disk system for SAM, I think I'd go for the second one, but the idea of an interface that connects to a ZIP drive is /much/ more appealing. The disks are cheap enough to backup to another one in case things go wrong, and (and this is a big AND) the ZIP drive itself can be used with other machines. So my vote goes for the Zip. Perhaps anyone who is considering developing towards the Zip should also consider 2 versions of DOS. One for SAM use, and another for SIM Coupe. BTW, I haven't got a Zip drive yet. Bye, Dave Whitmore http://homepages.enterprise.net/davewhitmore/INDEX.HTM From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Feb 27 19:14:40 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980227140755.00698fe8@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 14:07:55 -0500 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: T-shirts revisited Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 346 Lines: 11 The Adobe Illustrator / EPS file can be found at: http://jumper.mcc.ac.uk/~simonc/csscrap.ai Ta! Simon *********************************************************** *Product Development Specialist/WebMaster/Graphic Designer* *Systems Architect/Analyst/GUI Design Manager/GDB/-cookie-* *********************************************************** From imc Fri Feb 27 19:26:33 1998 Subject: Re: Floppy Disks To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 19:26:33 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980227124000.006c50cc@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> from "Simon Cooke" at Feb 27, 98 12:40:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 468 Lines: 13 On Fri, 27 Feb 1998 12:40:00 -0500, Simon Cooke said: > At 12:26 PM 2/27/98 EST, you wrote: > >like a Zip drive? I*t would be going more than a little over the top for SAM > >at the moment. > >Next thing on my list would be tape backup for the hard drive I think. > Why not just use a Zip drive for the backup? Why indeed. I have a Zip drive for doing my backups (although with a 2.1GB hard disk and 100MB Zip disks it's on the limit of what's convenient). imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Feb 27 20:52:57 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 15:38:43 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Floppy Disks Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2152 Lines: 63 In a message dated 27/02/98 18:50:03, you write: >On Fri, 27 Feb 1998 12:26:37 EST, you wrote: > >Bob, > >>>I agree. The fact that I already *own* a zip drive isn't affecting my >>>judgement - honest :) >>> >>>Dave >> >>But we already have a hard disc system - why would we need to go for >something >>like a Zip drive? I*t would be going more than a little over the top for SAM >>at the moment. >> >>Next thing on my list would be tape backup for the hard drive I think. > >AFAIK, there are two hard drive systems. One that is available now by >SD, and with an incomplete DOS (which someone in CSS recently said was >no longer being developed). It is true that Nev does not have time to devote at the moment due to his full time job. However, if a few people on this list had been a little more co- operative last year we could well be a lot closer to a definitive HDOS by now. Please keep in mind that even though it is not finished it does work, and is able to handle the largest IDE drive you can throw at it. >The second is the ATOM, which as far as I >know hasn't been officially released, and I am lead to believe, has a >good working DOS, but it doesn't work in the same way as the first. > >If I were looking for a hard disk system for SAM, I think I'd go for >the second one, Well I think that would be a mistake, but of course your choice. SD's hard drive allows you to connect any IDE hard drive and use it to its full. It is a full 32 bit FAT and it only needs a little work on the ROM+MasterDOS to get an integrated system that would be very fast and very powerful. >but the idea of an interface that connects to a ZIP >drive is /much/ more appealing. The disks are cheap enough to backup >to another one in case things go wrong, and (and this is a big AND) >the ZIP drive itself can be used with other machines. Fine, but we have to ask which is the most feasible? > >So my vote goes for the Zip. > >Perhaps anyone who is considering developing towards the Zip should >also consider 2 versions of DOS. One for SAM use, and another for SIM >Coupe. > >BTW, I haven't got a Zip drive yet. > > >Bye, > >Dave Whitmore -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Feb 27 20:52:58 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <6b546e44.34f7246c@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 15:38:45 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Floppy Disks Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 635 Lines: 22 In a message dated 27/02/98 18:50:26, you write: >At 12:26 PM 2/27/98 EST, you wrote: >>But we already have a hard disc system - why would we need to go for >something >>like a Zip drive? I*t would be going more than a little over the top for SAM >>at the moment. >> >>Next thing on my list would be tape backup for the hard drive I think. > >Why not just use a Zip drive for the backup? > >I think that the next thing on my list would be a complete DOS for the hard >drive, anyway. Which is what I have been trying my best to help get since the middle of last year. But with ZERO help from anyone on this list. > >Simon -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Feb 27 22:33:25 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980227160634.006c66fc@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:06:34 -0500 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Floppy Disks In-Reply-To: <6b546e44.34f7246c@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1108 Lines: 29 At 03:38 PM 2/27/98 EST, you wrote: >>I think that the next thing on my list would be a complete DOS for the hard >>drive, anyway. > >Which is what I have been trying my best to help get since the middle of last >year. But with ZERO help from anyone on this list. You know... I don't remember anyone actually saying "Anybody want to help write the DOS?" Maybe it's just me, but I don't think so. Unless you're saying that you were trying to do it with ZERO help from anyone on this list. BTW: Regarding which is most feasible: Tape Drives would require a lot more hardware design than Zip drives to get going. However, Zip drives wouldn't work with the existing parallel port. Tape drives (those that don't use their own hardware cards, or SCSI) generally tend to connect up through the floppy disc controller, and I'm not sure if the SAM one could cope. Simon *********************************************************** *Product Development Specialist/WebMaster/Graphic Designer* *Systems Architect/Analyst/GUI Design Manager/GDB/-cookie-* *********************************************************** From imc Fri Feb 27 22:37:44 1998 Subject: Re: Floppy Disks To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 22:37:44 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980227160634.006c66fc@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> from "Simon Cooke" at Feb 27, 98 04:06:34 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 341 Lines: 11 On Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:06:34 -0500, Simon Cooke said: > At 03:38 PM 2/27/98 EST, you wrote: > >Which is what I have been trying my best to help get since the middle of last > >year. But with ZERO help from anyone on this list. > You know... I don't remember anyone actually saying "Anybody want to help > write the DOS?" Me neither. imc From imc Fri Feb 27 22:43:03 1998 Subject: Re: Floppy Disks To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 22:43:03 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: from "BrenchleyR" at Feb 27, 98 03:38:43 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 600 Lines: 14 On Fri, 27 Feb 1998 15:38:43 EST, BrenchleyR said: > Well I think that would be a mistake, but of course your choice. SD's hard > drive allows you to connect any IDE hard drive and use it to its full. Incidentally, you can get IDE Zip drives. > It is a > full 32 bit FAT and it only needs a little work on the ROM+MasterDOS to get an > integrated system that would be very fast and very powerful. Is that FAT as in what the rest of the world thinks of as FAT (i.e., the MSDOS filing system) or some special non-FAT FAT? imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Feb 27 22:58:11 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 22:44:53 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Floppy Disks X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1588 Lines: 32 At 8:38 pm +0000 27/2/98, BrenchleyR wrote: >It is true that Nev does not have time to devote at the moment due to his full >time job. However, if a few people on this list had been a little more co- >operative last year we could well be a lot closer to a definitive HDOS by now. Would you care to elaborate on that? I thought HDOS was Nev's project and no-one else's. Certainly he's never asked [the list] for help in developing HDOS. As for your comments about trying to get the new DOS done with zero help from this list, I think Simon has said it all. You were too busy trying to tell us why the SRAM was such a completely amazing idea, rather than actually asking the programmers to do anything specific. But on the other hand, you keep saying things like "it only needs a little work on the ROM+MasterDOS to get an integrated system that would be very fast and very powerful" which serve to reinforce my impression that you really haven't much idea what you're talking about; so even if you did ask, maybe I wouldn't want to be involved in a project that you are 'leading'. Andrew --- +-----------------+----------------------------+--------------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | " | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk | Get your kicks | +-----------------+----------------------------+ on 8.124038405 | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | " | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | anon | +----------------------------------------------+--------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Feb 28 12:50:41 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <797548e.34f80285@aol.com> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 07:26:41 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Floppy Disks Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1427 Lines: 42 In a message dated 27/02/98 22:30:20, you write: >o > >At 03:38 PM 2/27/98 EST, you wrote: >>>I think that the next thing on my list would be a complete DOS for the hard >>>drive, anyway. >> >>Which is what I have been trying my best to help get since the middle of >last >>year. But with ZERO help from anyone on this list. > >You know... I don't remember anyone actually saying "Anybody want to help >write the DOS?" > >Maybe it's just me, but I don't think so. One of the opening gambits that led to the big argument over SRAM or /SRAM was about helping to finish/further develop HDOS. > >Unless you're saying that you were trying to do it with ZERO help from >anyone on this list. > >BTW: Regarding which is most feasible: Tape Drives would require a lot more >hardware design than Zip drives to get going. However, Zip drives wouldn't >work with the existing parallel port. > >Tape drives (those that don't use their own hardware cards, or SCSI) >generally tend to connect up through the floppy disc controller, and I'm >not sure if the SAM one could cope. > >Simon Most internal tape drives do connect to the floppy disc contoller. I know that they /allow/ for DMA but I don't think they /demand/ DMA. And as Windoze '95 has forced so many into upgrading their hard drives and tape drives there are a lot of the drives that use the older DC2120 type tapes going very cheap at All Formats shows these days. > -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Feb 28 12:50:41 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <90dbf204.34f80286@aol.com> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 07:26:44 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Floppy Disks Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 807 Lines: 25 In a message dated 27/02/98 22:59:26, you write: > >On Fri, 27 Feb 1998 15:38:43 EST, BrenchleyR said: >> Well I think that would be a mistake, but of course your choice. SD's hard >> drive allows you to connect any IDE hard drive and use it to its full. > >Incidentally, you can get IDE Zip drives. > >> It >is a >> full 32 bit FAT and it only needs a little work on the ROM+MasterDOS to get >an >> integrated system that would be very fast and very powerful. > >Is that FAT as in what the rest of the world thinks of as FAT (i.e., the >MSDOS filing system) or some special non-FAT FAT? > >imc FAT. File Allocation Table. In the case of HDOS a table of 32 bit words used to control the allocation of disc space to files. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Feb 28 12:50:41 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 07:26:47 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Floppy Disks Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2402 Lines: 58 In a message dated 27/02/98 22:59:28, you write: > >At 8:38 pm +0000 27/2/98, BrenchleyR wrote: >>It is true that Nev does not have time to devote at the moment due to his >full >>time job. However, if a few people on this list had been a little more co- >>operative last year we could well be a lot closer to a definitive HDOS by >now. > >Would you care to elaborate on that? I thought HDOS was Nev's project and >no-one else's. Certainly he's never asked [the list] for help in developing >HDOS. HDOS was/is indeed Nev's project, although I've spent many long and interesting hours helping him with it. As I've said (and perhaps someone would like to check the archives for the posting) I asked for help on Nev's behalf. He needed help because he was constantly coming up against problems in the ROM/MasterDOS. One of the major problems being that Andy does not have a consistent return path from syntax checking/command interpretation. The only way round this is to rework parts of the ROM and MasterDOS. Hence the requirement to develop the SRAM card to make life easier for those doing the testing. Now certain people could not SEE the NEED do develop the SRAM card, despite constant explanations of the FACT that the project was important. > >As for your comments about trying to get the new DOS done with zero help >from this list, I think Simon has said it all. You were too busy trying to >tell us why the SRAM was such a completely amazing idea, rather than >actually asking the programmers to do anything specific. Go back and READ what was said at the time. > >But on the other hand, you keep saying things like "it only needs a little >work on the ROM+MasterDOS to get an integrated system that would be very >fast and very powerful" which serve to reinforce my impression that you >really haven't much idea what you're talking about; so even if you did ask, >maybe I wouldn't want to be involved in a project that you are 'leading'. And this is from the man that claimed he could have an operating system up and running on a Z380 system in just a couple of weeks...... I give up Andrew, I'm sorry but what does it take to get you to do ANYTHING other than pick fault with EVERY LAST THING I SAY? I have tried for months and months to get something moving - you have just gone out of your way to scupper any efforts being made. What is the matter with you? > >Andrew > -- Bob. From imc Sat Feb 28 13:15:58 1998 Subject: Re: Floppy Disks To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 13:15:58 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <90dbf204.34f80286@aol.com> from "BrenchleyR" at Feb 28, 98 07:26:44 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 766 Lines: 18 On Sat, 28 Feb 1998 07:26:44 EST, BrenchleyR said: > >Is that FAT as in what the rest of the world thinks of as FAT (i.e., the > >MSDOS filing system) or some special non-FAT FAT? > FAT. File Allocation Table. In the case of HDOS a table of 32 bit words used > to control the allocation of disc space to files. That didn't answer the question. Is this a version of the MSDOS filing system (yes or no)? If not then calling it "FAT" is misleading. Yes I do know what it stands for, but the fact remains that in the last ten years it has only ever been used to describe the MSDOS filing system and you are only going to confuse people by trying to make it mean something else. Either way it isn't a particularly efficient way of storing things on disks... imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Feb 28 14:19:13 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 14:05:47 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Floppy Disks X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2355 Lines: 55 At 12:26 pm +0000 28/2/98, BrenchleyR wrote: >And this is from the man that claimed he could have an operating system up and >running on a Z380 system in just a couple of weeks...... Good grief, man. Go back and READ what was said at the time! You will find I have NEVER said the operating system would be running in a couple of weeks. What I did say was that a bootstrap loader (ie, to load A PROGRAM, eg a game, from disk and run it) could be written within a day, and you then have a saleable product. After that the programmers can write a full operating system at their leisure. >I give up Andrew, I'm sorry but what does it take to get you to do ANYTHING >other than pick fault with EVERY LAST THING I SAY? At least I actually READ and UNDERSTAND your postings And, contrary to popular belief I am not so bigoted as to deride any posting just because it cam from you. I will agree with anyone - you included - who makes a point I consider to be correct. Maybe it is just a coincidence that you never seem to do that while everybody else does. >I have tried for months and months to get something moving - you have just >gone out of your way to scupper any efforts being made. What is the matter >with you? F*** you, Bob. If you're so big and clever, why don't you just run this project without me? Go on, I'm not stopping you. If you think I'm just trying to kill the SamSon efforts then your paranoia has finally got the better of you. It's obvious that someone so pivotal to the entire Sam world as yourself, doesn't need the help of a second year (spit) student. Even though he's already done more Sam coding that you have in your entire "30 years with computers" life. Andrew PS. Bob, I don't care about your killfile. If you reply to this direct, you know where it will end up. So you might as well just insult me in public this time. --- +-----------------+----------------------------+--------------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | " | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk | Get your kicks | +-----------------+----------------------------+ on 8.124038405 | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | " | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | anon | +----------------------------------------------+--------------------+ From imc Sat Feb 28 15:13:20 1998 Subject: Re: Floppy Disks To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 15:13:20 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980226120649.006bd9c4@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> from "Simon Cooke" at Feb 26, 98 12:06:49 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1019 Lines: 21 On Thu, 26 Feb 1998 12:06:49 -0500, Simon Cooke said: > Well, apart from not knowing the parallel-port transfer spec for it -- and > that would probably require an ECP parallel port at the very least -- I do > know that it acts generally as an ATAPI device (ie. it uses the SCSI > command set) -- and that's how it's accessed internally in Windows NT. I thought ATAPI was an IDE thing. Anyway, Zip is available in IDE, SCSI and parallel formats, and the parallel one is a SCSI one with a SCSI-parallel interface. As far as I know it doesn't support ECP ports, but it does support standard parallel ports (where four of the error return lines are used for data input, half a byte at a time), bi-directional ports (like it says) and EPP (in which the hardware does the strobe flipping when the data is output using a single OUT instruction, and presumably using some similar scheme for input). I guess the PPA driver for Linux would be a good source of information for how to drive the parallel-SCSI interface. imc From imc Sat Feb 28 15:18:59 1998 Subject: Re: To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 15:18:59 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <199802261307.NAA10932@lupin.csv.warwick.ac.uk> from "Paul Walker" at Feb 26, 98 01:07:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 219 Lines: 9 On Thu, 26 Feb 1998 13:07:17 +0000 (GMT), Paul Walker said: > > > Remember that story by Jules Verne? > > Which one? > Travelling to the moon. By means of a very very big gun. I remember it. Now what about it? imc From imc Sat Feb 28 15:24:40 1998 Subject: Re: Don't Forget! To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 15:24:40 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980225175200.006c765c@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> from "Simon Cooke" at Feb 25, 98 05:52:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 391 Lines: 11 On Wed, 25 Feb 1998 17:52:00 -0500, Simon Cooke said: > Any recommendations for a malloc-style scheme? In fact, anyone out there > with more experience in algorythm design than me willing to spec it out so > that I can implement it? > Ian? Who, me? What sort of a malloc-style scheme had you in mind? Are we talking about the Sam? With a normal setup in terms of ROM and DOS etc? imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Feb 28 17:03:50 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 11:58:26 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Floppy Disks Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows sub 178 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 663 Lines: 22 In a message dated 26/02/98 20:54:43, you write: > > The problem is that I've not seen much of the 120M disk technology out and > about and in use. > > Zip and Jazz, however, look like the newest de facto standard. It's getting > to the point where you can't buy a machine without a built in Zip Drive. Don't know where you get that idea from, looking through Computer Shopper there are some machines with zip drives, but not that many. > This is a Good Thing. > > Therefore... I'd go straight for Zip or Jazz rather than trying out an > option that doesn't currently have the computer market's favour. Where should I send my order? > Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Feb 28 23:14:25 1998 Message-Id: <9802282310.AA24595@mars.cableol.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Neil Maynard To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 23:12:01 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Floppy Disks In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2274 Lines: 59 Sorry Bob but you just happen to be wrong (yet again) Andrew did say that a Bootstrap program could be written in a quite short space of time allowing some software to work straight away (Keeping a large majority of people happy). The O/S could then be written over a longer period of time Makes sense to me Neil > At 12:26 pm +0000 28/2/98, BrenchleyR wrote: > > >And this is from the man that claimed he could have an operating system up and > >running on a Z380 system in just a couple of weeks...... > > Good grief, man. Go back and READ what was said at the time! > > You will find I have NEVER said the operating system would be running in a > couple of weeks. > > What I did say was that a bootstrap loader (ie, to load A PROGRAM, eg a > game, from disk and run it) could be written within a day, and you then > have a saleable product. After that the programmers can write a full > operating system at their leisure. > > >I give up Andrew, I'm sorry but what does it take to get you to do ANYTHING > >other than pick fault with EVERY LAST THING I SAY? > > At least I actually READ and UNDERSTAND your postings > > And, contrary to popular belief I am not so bigoted as to deride any > posting just because it cam from you. I will agree with anyone - you > included - who makes a point I consider to be correct. Maybe it is just a > coincidence that you never seem to do that while everybody else does. > > >I have tried for months and months to get something moving - you have just > >gone out of your way to scupper any efforts being made. What is the matter > >with you? > > F*** you, Bob. > > If you're so big and clever, why don't you just run this project without > me? Go on, I'm not stopping you. If you think I'm just trying to kill the > SamSon efforts then your paranoia has finally got the better of you. > > It's obvious that someone so pivotal to the entire Sam world as yourself, > doesn't need the help of a second year (spit) student. Even though he's > already done more Sam coding that you have in your entire "30 years with > computers" life. > > Andrew > > PS. Bob, I don't care about your killfile. If you reply to this direct, you > know where it will end up. So you might as well just insult me in public > this time. >