From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 1 08:51:45 1998 From: askillma Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:52:58 +0100 (BST) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no cc: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Gloucester Showtime In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 849 Lines: 21 Hi All, > Gents, can we have a quick round-up of who will be attending the > Gloucester Piss^H^H^H^H Show this Friday. I'll be there. > I will be in attendance, look out for the tramp in the Calvin & Hobbes > T-shirt who will trying to blag Anne-Marie into giving me a free cake :) Don't let Bill Watterson see you wearing that - He'll probably set his Tiger on you :) Allan +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Allan Skillman | "There are five flavours of resons, the | | EDA Group | elementary particles of magic : up, down, | | Advanced RISC Machines | sideways, sex-appeal and peppermint." | | allan.skillman@arm.com | - Terry Pratchett (Lords and Ladies) | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 1 14:04:53 1998 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 13:55:53 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: Gloucester Show and chat. In-Reply-To: <352337ea.594534@mail.enterprise.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a <8OHKkEUpoELRXgFKFsA4hwDBr8> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 785 Lines: 24 In message <352337ea.594534@mail.enterprise.net>, Nev Young writes >On Mon, 30 Mar 1998 16:05:56 EST, BrenchleyR >wrote: > >> Last call for the Gloucester show on Saturday 4th April. >> >> So, anyone wishing to chat on said subject, which includes but is not >> exclusive to the Samson project, please feel welcome. [all people will be >> searched for weapons on entry and I will not be held liable for any deaths >> that occur :) ] >> >Will we be searched for beer ? Punishable by death, from what I heard... ;) Graham -- "But they're so tasty! Like chocolate, only with flatulence!" Come! See a blank page full of well meant promises that will never be fulfilled! http://duketastrophy.demon.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 1 15:31:11 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <43e461fe.35224dbe@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:22:51 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Gloucester Show and chat. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 193 Lines: 13 In a message dated 01/04/98 12:58:47, you write: >>Will we be searched for beer ? > >Punishable by death, from what I heard... ;) > >Graham No, that would be toooooo merciful.... -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 1 17:46:39 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980401113621.006ab288@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 11:36:21 -0500 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: New Demo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 425 Lines: 12 Hi folks... I've just uploaded the long awaited Statues Of Ice to nvg. Frode -- can you move it into the Entropy directory? Ta, Simon +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "You know... you can tell someone's vain when they quote themselves | | in their own .sig file..." -- Simon Cooke | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 1 19:12:05 1998 Message-Id: <000901bd5d97$4139e500$2d14a8c2@sparky> From: Gavin Smith To: sam-users Subject: Re: New Demo Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 18:54:41 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 209 Lines: 13 >Hi folks... > >I've just uploaded the long awaited Statues Of Ice to nvg. > >Frode -- can you move it into the Entropy directory? > >Ta, >Simon I haven't checked, but that HAS to be an April Fool ;) Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 1 20:15:34 1998 From: Matthew Craven Organization: UMIST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 20:07:23 BST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: New Demo In-reply-to: <000901bd5d97$4139e500$2d14a8c2@sparky> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.52) Message-ID: <661E51DB5@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 128 Lines: 7 > I haven't checked, but that HAS to be an April Fool ;) > > Gavin It is a April Fool I think, because it ain't in NVG. MJC. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 1 21:28:01 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980401151613.006aa974@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 15:16:13 -0500 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Old version of Termite... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 428 Lines: 9 Anyone interested in playing with the source code for Termite? Let me know -- if so, I'll forward it on to you as a zipped ASCII file. Si +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "You know... you can tell someone's vain when they quote themselves | | in their own .sig file..." -- Simon Cooke | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 1 22:18:33 1998 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Gloucester Show and chat. References: X-Mammoth-Status: Aware X-{giggle}: Lots! From: The Giggler Date: 01 Apr 1998 21:56:01 +0100 In-Reply-To: Graham Goring's message of "Wed, 1 Apr 1998 13:55:53 +0100" Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.66/Emacs 19.34 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 240 Lines: 11 Graham Goring writes: > >Will we be searched for beer ? > > Punishable by death, from what I heard... ;) What? Oh you mean, punishable by death if you _haven't_ got any ... Lee. -- Yawn And Walk North From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 1 22:18:41 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980401155554.006ad354@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 15:55:54 -0500 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Not an April Fools this time! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2399 Lines: 57 Source code is available for: Termite alpha test version Comet 2 Ascii (And vice versa) QDOS - SAMDOS system patch which cleans your system, reinstalls the standard font, etc etc SAM -> BMP converter (mode 3 is faulty due to bad specs from MS) IFF -> SAM converter (partially finished; works to a certain extent) GIF -> SAM converter (works mostly; bayer gives good results from far away, or use greyscale) The MultiROM source code (as demoed on the prototype) Simple test source for using a PC keyboard with a SAM (the interface is simple, AFAICR) -- note, this is the driver code which would, in a finished system, be on a separate board, running from its own Z80 ZUB Source code to date Parallax disk protection source code -- unless Colin MacD objects. Includes: Boot sector, in-game DOS and copier source code. ATOMIC PD menu - never finished. Happy Birthday demo (FRED 24) source Document Reader (most issues of FRED) source Entro 2 parts a & b source code Entropy Experience menu source code Fred 14 menu source code Fred 18 Menu source code Fred 28 Menu source code Hiscore table source code Hot Butter demo source code Infinity Cracktro source code A mouse driven menu for a program never released -- not sure if this even works! Very early system specs reporter program - source SCPDU issue 5 menu source SCPDU issue 6 preview demo source SCPDU slideshow demo source Amiga Fake-gameboy Tetris game conversion source Some of it's documented -- it was for a job application I made to a company in Chicago back in 1994. (I was offered the job, but their claims that it would have been easy for me to go over there and get a visa were unbelievable... especially now with experience of the process!) So... any takers for any of it? It's not necessarily beginners material, nor is it anything all that special, but it might give someone some ideas... Simon --- For owners of the original: I have ASCII versions of the SAM ROM source code and MASTERDOS source code (I may have Comet versions of each somewhere as well). Unless you have the original versions of these, I can't send them to you. Sorry. +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "You know... you can tell someone's vain when they quote themselves | | in their own .sig file..." -- Simon Cooke | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 2 01:29:26 1998 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:41:33 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: Gloucester Show and chat. In-Reply-To: <43e461fe.35224dbe@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a <8OHKkEUpoELRXgFKFsA4hwDBr8> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 717 Lines: 24 In message <43e461fe.35224dbe@aol.com>, BrenchleyR writes >In a message dated 01/04/98 12:58:47, you write: > >>>Will we be searched for beer ? >> >>Punishable by death, from what I heard... ;) >> >>Graham > >No, that would be toooooo merciful.... Okay, they make you drink 4 cans of Strongbow Light. That's enough to put anyone off drink for the rest of their life. Piss-weak crappy urine. Graham -- /---------------------------------------------------------------------\ | "Is it just me, or is the BBC programme "The Net" utterly shite?" | \---------------------------------------------------------------------/ Please send replies to: graham at duketastrophy dot demon dot co dot uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 2 02:09:01 1998 Message-Id: <000b01bd5dd3$2f2b6e60$1914a8c2@sparky> From: Gavin Smith To: sam-users Subject: Re: Gloucester Show and chat. Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 02:03:25 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 575 Lines: 17 >Okay, they make you drink 4 cans of Strongbow Light. That's enough to >put anyone off drink for the rest of their life. Piss-weak crappy urine. > >Graham Nothing wrong with the real Strongbow though! I'm a bit of a cider man myself. A thought just occurred to me - Bill Ritman and Samsboss - you both have claimed you have been to SAM shows in the past - you won't be at this one though, will you? ;) Strange that! Is that why you have both been very quiet for the last week or so? To avoid such questions? *grins evilily and runs off to IRC to waste more money* Gavin From imc Thu Apr 2 13:00:40 1998 Subject: sam-users archive To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:00:40 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 290 Lines: 8 I am pleased to announce that the sam-users archive has now been reopened. Relive the experience of reading 16.7 megabytes of email. See how the archive size suddenly increases in October 1996. Give yourself something to read over Easter. http://ruby.comlab.ox.ac.uk/imc/sam-users/ imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 2 14:16:40 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <10c35a8f.35238978@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 07:49:56 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Gloucester Show and chat. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 701 Lines: 24 In a message dated 02/04/98 01:10:11, you write: > >Nothing wrong with the real Strongbow though! I'm a bit of a cider man >myself. Gives you the shits!!! > >A thought just occurred to me - Bill Ritman and Samsboss - you both have >claimed you have been to SAM shows in the past - you won't be at this one >though, will you? ;) Strange that! Is that why you have both been very quiet >for the last week or so? To avoid such questions? *grins evilily and runs >off to IRC to waste more money* Actually, I'm led to believe, Samsboss will be there. But IIRC Bill moaned it was the one Saturday he had a family function to attend. I think he should get his priorities right.... > >Gavin > > -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 2 15:06:32 1998 Message-Id: From: Dan Doore Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:53:15 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: RE: Gloucester Show and chat. MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /310000000/310102093/310102123/310460310/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 101" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 286 Lines: 17 > >Nothing wrong with the real Strongbow though! I'm a bit of a cider > >man myself. > > > Gives you the shits!!! It also turns your vomit bright red. HTH :-) See you 10am in Quedggers... Dan. Work: dan@bacg.com Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 2 15:13:06 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980402090325.006b7214@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 09:03:25 -0500 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: RE: Gloucester Show and chat. In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 372 Lines: 9 *sobs quietly into his coke* Oh well... this is the third show I've missed. Simon +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "You know... you can tell someone's vain when they quote themselves | | in their own .sig file..." -- Simon Cooke | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 2 17:27:09 1998 Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 00:23:17 +0800 (PHT) From: onio To: Paul Walker cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no, Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Subject: Re: Mailing lists In-Reply-To: <199803280006.AAA13915@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 25 Lines: 1 unsubscribe me please!!! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 2 20:19:48 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:52:12 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Gloucester Show and chat. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows sub 178 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 971 Lines: 36 In a message dated 02/04/98 13:21:14, you write: > > In a message dated 02/04/98 01:10:11, you write: > > > > >Nothing wrong with the real Strongbow though! I'm a bit of a cider man > >myself. > > Gives you the shits!!! > > > >A thought just occurred to me - Bill Ritman and Samsboss - you both have > >claimed you have been to SAM shows in the past - you won't be at this one > >though, will you? ;) Strange that! Is that why you have both been very > quiet > >for the last week or so? To avoid such questions? *grins evilily and runs > >off to IRC to waste more money* > > Actually, I'm led to believe, Samsboss will be there. But IIRC Bill moaned > it > was the one Saturday he had a family function to attend. I think he should > get > his priorities right.... > > > >Gavin > > > > > > -- > Bob. If I could get there I would, but my life would not be a long one if I did :( Have a good day, hope the discussion goes well. Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 2 20:19:49 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:53:02 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Mailing lists Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows sub 178 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 113 Lines: 8 In a message dated 02/04/98 16:29:55, you write: > > unsubscribe me please!!! > Only if you pay us. Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 2 21:06:54 1998 From: Maria Rookyard To: sam-users Subject: Re: Gloucester Show and chat. Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 19:19:56 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 224 Lines: 15 > > > >Nothing wrong with the real Strongbow though! I'm a bit of a cider > > >man myself. > > > > > > Gives you the shits!!! > > It also turns your vomit bright red. > > HTH :-) > Er, yes immensely, thank you. Maria. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 2 21:06:54 1998 From: Maria Rookyard To: sam-users Subject: Re: Gloucester Show and chat. Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 19:27:02 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 222 Lines: 11 ---------- > From: Simon Cooke > > *sobs quietly into his coke* > Wow, he's only been in America 6 months, and already he's developed a drug habit. Who said he wasn't fitting in :) Maria. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 3 00:25:30 1998 From: Matthew Craven Organization: UMIST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 00:21:29 BST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Gloucester Show and chat. In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.52) Message-ID: <229E14518C@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 112 Lines: 8 Hi, Can anyone tell me which webpage the Gloucester show is on? (i.e. which bus to catch, etc.) Thanks, MJC. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 3 02:27:40 1998 Message-ID: <0bNt9TASMDJ1EwTC@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 01:53:38 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: Gloucester Show and chat. In-Reply-To: <229E14518C@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a <8OHKkEUpoELRXgFKFsA4hwDBr8> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id CAA18009 Status: RO Content-Length: 631 Lines: 18 In message <229E14518C@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk>, Matthew Craven writes >Can anyone tell me which webpage the Gloucester show is on? Oh, it's not on a webpage, it's in a real place. ;) Pop along to the SAM Coupé scrapbook, I think the map and stuff is there... If only Tim Paveley hadn't unsubbed... Graham -- /---------------------------------------------------------------------\ | "Is it just me, or is the BBC programme "The Net" utterly shite?" | \---------------------------------------------------------------------/ Please send replies to: graham at duketastrophy dot demon dot co dot uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Apr 5 03:02:26 1998 Message-Id: <00bb01bd6036$20b86da0$1914a8c2@sparky> From: Gavin Smith To: sam-users Subject: Gloucester show Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 02:56:59 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 196 Lines: 5 So what did the rest of us miss? Anything? What was the turnout like? How did the chat about the future of Z80 computing go? Who drank the most? Who spend the most? Did anyone beat Bob up? Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Apr 5 03:43:06 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980404213616.006b6a4c@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 21:36:16 -0500 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Gloucester show In-Reply-To: <00bb01bd6036$20b86da0$1914a8c2@sparky> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 615 Lines: 15 At 01:56 AM 4/5/98 +0100, you wrote: >So what did the rest of us miss? Anything? What was the turnout like? How >did the chat about the future of Z80 computing go? Who drank the most? Who >spend the most? Did anyone beat Bob up? Gavin... the event is *still* going on! :) (If the Iggy Pop gang are anything to go by) Simon +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "You know... you can tell someone's vain when they quote themselves | | in their own .sig file..." -- Simon Cooke | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Apr 5 11:52:12 1998 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 11:13:58 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: Gloucester show In-Reply-To: <00bb01bd6036$20b86da0$1914a8c2@sparky> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a <8OHKkEUpoELRXgFKFsA4hwDBr8> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1213 Lines: 27 In message <00bb01bd6036$20b86da0$1914a8c2@sparky>, Gavin Smith writes >So what did the rest of us miss? Anything? What was the turnout like? How >did the chat about the future of Z80 computing go? Who drank the most? Who >spend the most? Did anyone beat Bob up? Turnout = Abysmal. Apart from the faithful the show was populated by odd old men I'd never seen before. Oh, the Z80 discussion? BOOOORING! Sorry, but I had to sneak out the back way before my brain atrophied. Drank the most? Dunno, but Dan sank 3 pints over lunch, I believe everyone else only had 1 or 2. Beat bob up? Well, regretfully ;) little physical violence was enacted out on anyone at all. Graham -- /=====================================================================\ | If you'd like to see a game with the depth of gameplay of Elite and | | Frontier on the PlayStation, then please sign the petition by | | sending a mail headed "Elite/Frontier Petition", including your | | FULL name and E-Mail address to: petition@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk | \===========Or do you *really* want another Wing Commander?===========/ Please send replies to: graham at duketastrophy dot demon dot co dot uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Apr 5 16:37:06 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 11:31:44 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Gloucester Show and chat. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 178 Lines: 12 In a message dated 02/04/98 14:14:41, you write: >*sobs quietly into his coke* > >Oh well... this is the third show I've missed. > >Simon Please improve your aim :) -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Apr 5 20:21:07 1998 Message-Id: From: Dan Doore Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 20:17:05 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: RE: Gloucester show MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /310000000/310102093/310102123/310460310/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 101" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 821 Lines: 28 > Drank the most? Dunno, but Dan sank 3 pints over lunch, I believe > everyone else only had 1 or 2. It's not my fault you're all slow-coaches.... Anyway, it was a top show as far as I was concerned, Fred was strangely absent and the stall holders out numbered the punters at one point (could have been lunch time, funny that...) The trip into the throng that is Gloucester's Night Life was as eventful as usual - we succeeded in losing Mr Anderton after about 30 seconds of getting into the night club. Tip of the day: Do *not* get on the Cardiff-Paddington InterCity at 9:30 am the day of the Five Nations Rugby :) Anyway, must write my annual appraisal forms now - I wonder where I left all my brain cells... Dan. Work: dan@bacg.com Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 6 14:36:50 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <963b52c6.3528d8f9@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:30:31 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Gloucester show Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 737 Lines: 40 In a message dated 05/04/98 01:59:43, you write: >So what did the rest of us miss? Lots. >Anything? I said, LOTS!!! > What was the turnout like? A little down on usual but we had not thought to check the sporting calender when booking :( Still, appart for the mass walk out - which I think had something to do with alcohol - around lunch time, everything was fine. Remember now. October 17th is the next one. >How did the chat about the future of Z80 computing go? Not bad, will write a full(er) report in a couple of days. >Who drank the most? Need you ask? (CM of course). > Who spend the most? Not a foggy idea, I was missing all afternoon. >Did anyone beat Bob up? Yes, but not at the show :) > >Gavin -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 6 14:36:51 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <1e530d46.3528d92a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:31:20 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Gloucester show Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 855 Lines: 31 In a message dated 05/04/98 19:25:17, you write: > >> Drank the most? Dunno, but Dan sank 3 pints over lunch, I believe >> everyone else only had 1 or 2. > >It's not my fault you're all slow-coaches.... > >Anyway, it was a top show as far as I was concerned, Fred was strangely >absent and the stall holders out numbered the punters at one point (could >have been lunch time, funny that...) > >The trip into the throng that is Gloucester's Night Life was as eventful >as >usual - we succeeded in losing Mr Anderton after about 30 seconds of >getting >into the night club. > >Tip of the day: Do *not* get on the Cardiff-Paddington InterCity at 9:30 >am >the day of the Five Nations Rugby :) > >Anyway, must write my annual appraisal forms now - I wonder where I left >all my brain cells... > >Dan. Glad you enjoyed it. Love to Beth. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 6 14:36:52 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:33:21 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Gloucester show Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 606 Lines: 29 In a message dated 05/04/98 10:52:37, you write: > >Turnout = Abysmal. Were we at the same show? >Apart from the faithful the show was populated by odd >old men I'd never seen before. Define 'odd'? > Oh, the Z80 discussion? BOOOORING! Sorry, but I had to sneak out the >back way before my brain atrophied. Ah! Went a little over your head did it :) > Drank the most? Dunno, but Dan sank 3 pints over lunch, I believe >everyone else only had 1 or 2. > Beat bob up? Well, regretfully ;) little physical violence was enacted >out on anyone at all. > >Graham > > See you at the October one. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 6 18:49:38 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: POSTMASTER From: Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <802565DE.0061D288.00@uks.postmaster.co.uk> Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 18:48:31 +0100 Subject: Re: Gloucester show Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1070 Lines: 34 | In message <00bb01bd6036$20b86da0$1914a8c2@sparky>, Gavin Smith | writes | >So what did the rest of us miss? Anything? What was the turnout like? How | >did the chat about the future of Z80 computing go? Who drank the most? Who | >spend the most? Did anyone beat Bob up? | | Turnout = Abysmal. Apart from the faithful the show was populated by odd | old men I'd never seen before. Old men? Oh, you mean the ones old enough to wear long trousers. Twere a bit dead when I got there but that was down to most people having gone over the pub I'm told. But that let me get in lots of chats with people before the young ones got back. | Oh, the Z80 discussion? BOOOORING! Sorry, but I had to sneak out the | back way before my brain atrophied. The only boring bit (IMHO) was trying to work out what the Dutch guy was talking about. Still can't work out where tents got into it. -- Samsboss - The One And Only. Accept No Others. ___________________________________ To sign up for a free email account, visit http://www.postmaster.co.uk. From imc Mon Apr 6 20:30:31 1998 Subject: Re: Gloucester show To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 20:30:31 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <802565DE.0061D288.00@uks.postmaster.co.uk> from "Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk" at Apr 6, 98 06:48:31 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 369 Lines: 10 On Mon, 6 Apr 1998 18:48:31 +0100, Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk said: > | Turnout = Abysmal. Apart from the faithful the show was populated by odd > | old men I'd never seen before. > The only boring bit (IMHO) was trying to work out what the Dutch guy was > talking about. Still can't work out where tents got into it. So, which of the odd old men were you then? imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 6 20:38:25 1998 From: Gouranga Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 15:34:21 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Gloucester show Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 168 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 169 Lines: 8 Opinion? Good show - busier than I expected. Lots of regulars. And that is positively the worst I have ever felt the morning after a show. An outstanding weekend. CM From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 7 08:50:18 1998 Message-Id: From: Dan Doore Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 8:46:45 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: RE: Gloucester show MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /310000000/310102093/310102123/310460310/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 101" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 504 Lines: 20 > Old men? Oh, you mean the ones old enough to wear long trousers. Correction: slacks. > The only boring bit (IMHO) was trying to work out what the > Dutch guy was talking about. Still can't work out where tents got into it. That was the fun bit. There was something else as well as the tents, but no matter how many times he said it I always missed it. Shame, cos it was probably a top comparison. Dan. Work: dan@bacg.com Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/ From imc Tue Apr 7 10:49:00 1998 Subject: Re: Gloucester show To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:49:00 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Dan Doore" at Apr 7, 98 08:46:45 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 426 Lines: 12 On Tue, 7 Apr 1998 8:46:45 +0000, Dan Dooré said: > There was something else as well as the tents, but no matter how > many times he said it I always missed it. Shame, cos it was probably > a top comparison. Well there are those who like tents, and everywhere they go they always take their tents, and then there are the people who take caravans, but those who want the easy option go to a hotel. Yes. Hethe-Hanned. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 7 14:55:47 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <78106399.352a2f3d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:50:50 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Show Report Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2712 Lines: 55 Right, I've now had time to digest everything from Saturday's show here in Gloucester. So here is a run down. First, Crashed and FRED both failed to turn up. Mark Sturdy did leave a message on our answerphone to say that the latest issue was late so he wouldn't be coming as he didn't have anything to sell (???). With FRED it was a case that Darren had not send everything to Alan Clarkson in time - why am I not surprised? Other than that, good turn out. If I had known in advance that Crashed and FRED were not coming I could have given a couple of stands a bit more space. But Colin McD arrived (late as usual) to save the day by taking up a stand to clear come of his bits and pieces. All in all, not a bad turn out. Attendance was just a smidge down on the last two shows - mostly I think due to the very inclement weather and the plethora of sorting events that chose the same day. If people would only stop buggering off to the pub (we have perfectly good tea, coffee and even hot chocolate available) things would be a lot better. Still, most people did return for the afternoon discussion session on "The Future Of Z80 Based Computing". Thanks to all the people who turned up for it. The discussion was not aimed at producing a "we are going to do this" sort of plan. Rather it was a very varied discussion about where people saw the SAM and Spectrum in the present scheme of things, what they would like to see happen, and most importantly should it still be Z80 based. Results: 1) Yes. There is still life in the Z80. It was felt by many that it was an ideal processor as it was easy to program and there was a lot of technical information available for it. While the use of emulators was talked about, a lot of people agreed that there was still nothing like a real Spectrum or SAM. 2) There was a lot of discussion about the SRAM card. I had explained why we were now going for a very simple card and I had explained the problems with the ROM/DOS and HDOS. There was mention of some of the difficulties Alan is having with SimCoupe which it was felt was largely due to the lack of documentation on SAM. 3) Various extras for the Spectrum and SAM were mentioned although there was not firm call for the building of any single item. however, there was broad agreement on the need for a hard disc system with a reliable HDOS. 4) In the end I feel that there was a general understanding that the first steps need to be to investigate the ROM/MasterDOS and document how they work so that we can start with firm foundations. As I write this I'm fast falling asleep. So I will not write any more tonight. If you have any question on specific points then I will try to answer them. -- Bob. From imc Tue Apr 7 16:05:30 1998 Subject: Re: Show Report To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 16:05:30 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <78106399.352a2f3d@aol.com> from "BrenchleyR" at Apr 7, 98 09:50:50 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 912 Lines: 21 On Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:50:50 EDT, BrenchleyR said: > First, Crashed and FRED both failed to turn up. And of course Persona, who I gather object to your vendetta against David Ledbury. And who doesn't?... > Attendance was just a smidge down on the last two shows - mostly I think due > to the very inclement weather and the plethora of sorting events that chose > the same day. Perhaps we should arrange our own sorting event for next time. Bring a Sam and you get to choose which to implement in BASIC from Hoare's Quicksort, heap sort, radix sort, shell sort, insertion sort, exchange sort and bubble sort. The fastest one to sort all the given testcases wins. :-) > If people would only stop buggering off to the pub (we have perfectly good > tea, coffee and even hot chocolate available) things would be a lot better. But do you sell steak and kidney pie, barbecue ribs or gammon and pineapple? imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 7 18:56:33 1998 Message-Id: <002301bd624d$5ba6bde0$0714a8c2@sparky> From: Gavin Smith To: sam-users Subject: Re: Show Report Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 17:55:19 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1282 Lines: 36 -----Original Message----- From: BrenchleyR >1) Yes. There is still life in the Z80. It was felt by many that it was an >ideal processor as it was easy to program and there was a lot of technical >information available for it. While the use of emulators was talked about, a >lot of people agreed that there was still nothing like a real Spectrum or SAM. Agreed on all of the above! >3) Various extras for the Spectrum and SAM were mentioned although there was >not firm call for the building of any single item. however, there was broad >agreement on the need for a hard disc system with a reliable HDOS. Erm. Why do you bother to continually try to rubbish the efforts of Edwin Blink and his Atom hard disk system? It won't go away you know :) >As I write this I'm fast falling asleep. So I will not write any more tonight. >If you have any question on specific points then I will try to answer them. > >-- >Bob. I have a question - don't you think you are doing the SAM scene more damage with this continued vendetta against Persona? I mean, they are without doubt the biggest SAM company now. Might make sense if you tried to apologise to Dave and patch things up so we can all be friends and hold hands etc. Peace man. (Did I just say that?) Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 7 19:43:55 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <002565DF.006B3DC5.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 19:38:02 +0000 Subject: BDOS\ATOM (was: Show Report) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 657 Lines: 16 >Erm. Why do you bother to continually try to rubbish the efforts of Edwin >Blink and his Atom hard disk system? It won't go away you know :) Of course it won't! :) I've got a 50meg 3.5 inch harddrive sitting in my red electronics junk box under my chest of draws ready to be thrust inside my SAM. BTW, I was quite impressed with the BDOS on Blitz 7. It was a shame that it didn't support 16char names on floppy disk, though... SAMDOS compatibility, I suppose. And I much prefer the "Drive 1:" bit at the top compared to the "*** SAM Drive 1 ***" (or "*** JPS Drive 1 ***" from my earlier playing around days). Much more "techy" DOS looking! :) Justin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 7 20:37:21 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980407152824.006bb2e0@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 15:28:24 -0400 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Show Report In-Reply-To: <78106399.352a2f3d@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 699 Lines: 15 At 09:50 AM 4/7/98 EDT, you wrote: >2) There was a lot of discussion about the SRAM card. I had explained why we >were now going for a very simple card and I had explained the problems with >the ROM/DOS and HDOS. There was mention of some of the difficulties Alan is >having with SimCoupe which it was felt was largely due to the lack of >documentation on SAM. Which problems with SimCoupe were these? Simon +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "You know... you can tell someone's vain when they quote themselves | | in their own .sig file..." -- Simon Cooke | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 7 21:22:20 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: POSTMASTER From: Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <802565DF.0079EE3F.00@uks.postmaster.co.uk> Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 21:21:59 +0100 Subject: Re: Gloucester show Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 559 Lines: 24 | On Mon, 6 Apr 1998 18:48:31 +0100, Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk said: | > | Turnout = Abysmal. Apart from the faithful the show was populated by odd | > | old men I'd never seen before. | | > The only boring bit (IMHO) was trying to work out what the Dutch guy was | > talking about. Still can't work out where tents got into it. | | So, which of the odd old men were you then? | | imc Me? Old? -- Samsboss - The One And Only. Accept No Others. ___________________________________ To sign up for a free email account, visit http://www.postmaster.co.uk. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 7 21:35:14 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: POSTMASTER From: Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <802565DF.007A1109.00@uks.postmaster.co.uk> Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 21:30:53 +0100 Subject: Re: Show Report Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1571 Lines: 53 [space saved] | >agreement on the need for a hard disc system with a reliable HDOS. | | | Erm. Why do you bother to continually try to rubbish the efforts of Edwin | Blink and his Atom hard disk system? It won't go away you know :) If you had been there you would have heard what was said about BDOS. I heard no rubbishing, it was pointed out, and agreed, that it was not perfect and that Edwin had gone down a different route to HDOS. There was also agreement that we need a _GOOD_ hard drive DOS. HDOS isn't quite there because of the ROM/DOS problems, BDOS is not there because it treats the drive as a collection of floppy images. Either one could be enhanced to meet the need of SAM users. Which one makes it first will be the winner. | | >As I write this I'm fast falling asleep. So I will not write any more | tonight. | >If you have any question on specific points then I will try to answer them. | > | >-- | >Bob. | | I have a question - don't you think you are doing the SAM scene more damage | with this continued vendetta against Persona? I mean, they are without doubt | the biggest SAM company now. Might make sense if you tried to apologise to | Dave and patch things up so we can all be friends and hold hands etc. Peace | man. (Did I just say that?) | | Gavin My god, what a nightmare thought. Anywaysup. There were several things explained on Saturday that gives me hope for the future. -- Samsboss - The One And Only. Accept No Others. ___________________________________ To sign up for a free email account, visit http://www.postmaster.co.uk. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 7 21:35:16 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: POSTMASTER From: Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <802565DF.007A1622.00@uks.postmaster.co.uk> Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 21:33:08 +0100 Subject: Re: Show Report Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 694 Lines: 28 | At 09:50 AM 4/7/98 EDT, you wrote: | >2) There was a lot of discussion about the SRAM card. I had explained why we | >were now going for a very simple card and I had explained the problems with | >the ROM/DOS and HDOS. There was mention of some of the difficulties Alan is | >having with SimCoupe which it was felt was largely due to the lack of | >documentation on SAM. | | | Which problems with SimCoupe were these? | | Simon Lack of documentation AFAICS, did overhear something about timings but that was before the meeting. -- Samsboss - The One And Only. Accept No Others. ___________________________________ To sign up for a free email account, visit http://www.postmaster.co.uk. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 7 23:12:35 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980407180458.006b69a8@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 18:04:58 -0400 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Show Report In-Reply-To: <802565DF.007A1622.00@uks.postmaster.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 598 Lines: 15 At 09:33 PM 4/7/98 +0100, you wrote: >Lack of documentation AFAICS, did overhear something about timings but that >was >before the meeting. I don't know if there's much more about SAM internals that *can* be documented, short of getting VLSI to release the specs. Allan? Oi! What's he going on about? Simon +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "You know... you can tell someone's vain when they quote themselves | | in their own .sig file..." -- Simon Cooke | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From imc Wed Apr 8 12:06:22 1998 Subject: Re: Gloucester show To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:06:22 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <802565DF.0079EE3F.00@uks.postmaster.co.uk> from "Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk" at Apr 7, 98 09:21:59 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 265 Lines: 9 On Tue, 7 Apr 1998 21:21:59 +0100, Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk said: > Me? Old? I have no idea... but if I remember correctly I think I knew all the young people in that room (apart from the Dutch guy). I bet you were the one at the front who talked a lot... imc From imc Wed Apr 8 12:08:10 1998 Subject: Re: Show Report To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:08:10 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980407152824.006bb2e0@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> from "Simon Cooke" at Apr 7, 98 03:28:24 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 177 Lines: 6 On Tue, 07 Apr 1998 15:28:24 -0400, Simon Cooke said: > Which problems with SimCoupe were these? I think the fact that Mnemodemo crashes SimCoupe for no apparent reason. imc From imc Wed Apr 8 12:10:02 1998 Subject: Re: Show Report To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:10:02 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <002301bd624d$5ba6bde0$0714a8c2@sparky> from "Gavin Smith" at Apr 7, 98 05:55:19 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 292 Lines: 8 On Tue, 7 Apr 1998 17:55:19 +0100, Gavin Smith said: > Erm. Why do you bother to continually try to rubbish the efforts of Edwin > Blink and his Atom hard disk system? It won't go away you know :) Actually, Bob did say that the new DOS should support both of the hard disk interfaces. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 8 12:43:53 1998 Message-Id: <000e01bd62e2$efec1780$1b14a8c2@sparky> From: Gavin Smith To: sam-users Subject: Re: Show Report Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:39:02 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 535 Lines: 17 On Tue, 7 Apr 1998 17:55:19 +0100, Gavin Smith said: >> Erm. Why do you bother to continually try to rubbish the efforts of Edwin >> Blink and his Atom hard disk system? It won't go away you know :) > > Actually, Bob did say that the new DOS should support both of the hard > disk interfaces. > > imc Fair enough! :) It's just the impression I got from anything he has said about it on this list. BDOS works though (apparently), and although it's certainly not the most efficient system, it will hopefully do what we want :) Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 8 13:14:54 1998 Message-Id: From: Dan Doore Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 13:10:15 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: RE: Show Report MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /310000000/310102093/310102123/310460310/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 101" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 7558 Lines: 177 > BDOS works though (apparently), and although it's certainly not > the most efficient system, it will hopefully do what we want BDOS does indeed work - Nev was demo-ing it on Saturday. Also - I got this from Aley Keprt the other day, sam-users was on the distribution but I don't recall seeing it here so I've attached it to the end of this mail. It's about a HD system for use in his emulator, some of it translates to the issues regarding the real HD systems under discussion. Dan. Work: dan@bacg.com Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/ From: "Aley Keprt" Subject: Hard drive for Sam emulator The hard drive technology for Sam Coupe emulator ================================================ Have you ever dreamed about your hard drive connected to Sam Coupe? In the fact I'm not interested in connecting hard drives to my real Sam, but I think it could be very comfortable to let the emulator get full access to my PC hard drive. So, I've developed that technology, and here is the basic description. I hope everybody who's interested in too will contact me, so I'll know if it is good idea to implement it. I'll never do anything what nobody wants. There are two models - Model A and Model B. They both follow these basic rules: * Unmodified version of Andy Wright's Master Dos is used. This seem to be the best way of making the hard drive technology 100% compatible with classic floppies. You may wonder how it is possible, but it really is. I hope :) * It is possible to use regular Sam Dos, however it is not recommended. Sam Dos has a big disadvantage, since it limits the maximum number of files on one disk to 80. And, as said above, we must use unmodified version of the Sam Dos, so our hard drive will be limited to having 80 files on it. * The usage of a hard drive is the same as the usage of a floppy. Model A ------- Model A is mentioned as a VIRTUAL hard drive inside one of your MS-DOS directories. It means that one of your real directories is mounted as a hard drive inside the emulator. Each subdirectory contains a special description-file, which contains the list of filename-substitutions. The DOS-specific 8.3 file names are used in real, but inside emulator you can see Sam-specific (10 in size) file names. This is not limited to DOS, on other systems it is possible to store the names in different format. Again, this is NOT limited to MS-DOS. I hope Master Dos can format disks up to 255 tracks (2.5MB in size), so there are totally around 3200 free directory entries (up to 3200 files can be saved). But! The size of all files is **NOT** limited to 800KB or 2.5MB, you can save as many datas as your real hard drive can store!!! This is the basic advantage of my hard drive technology. When we count 40KB as the average file size, the maximum capacity of Model A drive is 3.2*40 = 128MB = cca.160 floppies. Model A has a full implementation of Master Dos subdirectories, so you can do anything with your hard drive. Also, since the Master Dos is used in unmodified version, it is possible to make the hard drive bootable. So, Model A allows you to create a certain number of virtual hard drives on your real hard drive, and each of them looks like a one floppy disk, but there is no 800KB limitation! Again: no limitation! You can use the standard operations: BOOT, LOAD, SAVE, DIR, DEVICE, RENAME. You CANNOT undelete (unerase) the deleted files (using ERASE). You can use all classic DPOKE, HIDDEN, PROTECT etc. You can read the directory of the hard drive sector by sector and it still looks like a real flopyy disk. Also, you can't use file-stream operations. Fortunately, these operations are not used very often by the real software, because they are implemented very stupidly in the Sam/Master Dos. In real, all files are stored in real files and you can very simply use them outside the emulator. But you can NEVER change the files or add another files. It will never work, since Model A uses a description files in each subdirectory and they all are mounted into one large directory structure compatible with Sam/Master Dos. --- Model B ------- Model B is a bit different. Model A allows you to reach the maximum compatibility, but the Model B allows you to access the whole hard drive. It mounts all contents of your real hard drive to one virtual-floppy disk compatible with Sam/Master Dos. Since you probably use subdirectories, you need Master Dos to enter all subdirectories of your real hard drive. Also, when running under DOS-based systems, all the drive-letters are mounted into root direcotry of Model B virtual hard drive (the same as in Monkey Linux). In Model B, no additional description files are stored in the real subdirectories. So you can't use some Sam-specific operations which aren't supported by hosting operating system. Especially, there are big file name limitations under DOS, so it is possible, that you won't be able to read the files which you save. e.g. If you enter: SAVE "TEST++NAME", the file is saved to something like "testname" or "test__na.me". If you now want to reread the saved file, you can't enter LOAD "TEST++NAME", since this file simply doesn't exist. You have to enter LOAD "testname" or LOAD "test__na.me", depending on selected name conversions. This problem doesn't occur in Model A. In Model B, there is no limitation on number of the files on whole hard drive. In each subdirectory there can be up to 3200 files. This feature is necessary for long hard drives, since they often contatins much more than 3200 files. However this stuff disallows you to load files from another directories than current one (obviously). e.g. LOAD "GAMES\PRINCE\START" will work in Model A, but won't work in Model B, since it mounts everytime only one subdirectory to the Sam/Master Dos directory structure. So, as you can see, the Model B is good to access all contents of your hard drive, which have nothing to do with Sam. But when you want to work with real Sam files, you will probably use the Model A. Model A stores some additional description files to each subdirectory, but it offers the best performance and allows you to use 99% of the features which Master Dos has got. I think the best way is to create one virtual drive (Model A) and use it to store all existing files from all your floppies. This virtual drive will be mounted as "drive 1" in Sam/Master Dos. Model B could be used as "drive 2", so you will be able to very simply transfer any files between the virtual drive and the rest of your hard drive. Also, you can use this system to transfer files between several Sam floppies, real PC floppies, etc. (I don't know what else). It seems that no other utilities are necessary, since the system itself can be used for transferring and converting files between different devices. --- Aley Keprt, 22d.03m.1998 send all comments to: AleyKeprt@bigfoot.com --------------------------------------------------------------- Aley [eili] Keprt - student, programmer (audio software etc.) phone: +420-68-98545 e-mail: AleyKeprt@bigfoot.com !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!! Long mails >30KB send to: KeprtA@alpha.upol.cz !!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ---------------------------------------------------------------- >>> THE BEST WWW PAGES: http://www.inf.upol.cz/~keprta <<< ---------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 8 15:47:39 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <18cab846.352b8be3@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:38:25 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Gloucester show Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 793 Lines: 25 In a message dated 07/04/98 07:48:07, you write: >> Old men? Oh, you mean the ones old enough to wear long trousers. > >Correction: slacks. > >> The only boring bit (IMHO) was trying to work out what the >> Dutch guy was talking about. Still can't work out where tents got into >it. > >That was the fun bit. > >There was something else as well as the tents, but no matter how >many times he said it I always missed it. Shame, cos it was probably >a top comparison. > >Dan. What he was saying was that some people were enthusiastic about taking their holidays in tents, others in caravans but others insist on hotels. In the same way, all levels of computer have their followings but in some strange way 8bit machines seem to have a more dedicated following than others. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 8 15:47:41 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <9d2d1329.352b8be5@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:38:27 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Show Report Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1681 Lines: 51 In a message dated 07/04/98 18:12:51, you write: >-----Original Message----- >From: BrenchleyR > >>1) Yes. There is still life in the Z80. It was felt by many that it was an >>ideal processor as it was easy to program and there was a lot of technical >>information available for it. While the use of emulators was talked about, >a >>lot of people agreed that there was still nothing like a real Spectrum or >SAM. > > >Agreed on all of the above! Good. > >>3) Various extras for the Spectrum and SAM were mentioned although there >was >>not firm call for the building of any single item. however, there was broad >>agreement on the need for a hard disc system with a reliable HDOS. > > >Erm. Why do you bother to continually try to rubbish the efforts of Edwin >Blink and his Atom hard disk system? It won't go away you know :) Pardon? I'm sorry, but I just don't understand where that comment comes from. > >>As I write this I'm fast falling asleep. So I will not write any more >tonight. >>If you have any question on specific points then I will try to answer them. >> >>-- >>Bob. > >I have a question - don't you think you are doing the SAM scene more damage >with this continued vendetta against Persona? I mean, they are without doubt >the biggest SAM company now. Might make sense if you tried to apologise to >Dave and patch things up so we can all be friends and hold hands etc. Peace >man. (Did I just say that?) You must be kidding, at least I hope you are. Listen. Anything between me, David Ledbury, and any company he is involved in, is nobody's business but ours. I will not get into another long argument - END OF STORY. > >Gavin -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 8 15:47:41 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:38:28 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Show Report Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 770 Lines: 23 In a message dated 07/04/98 19:38:17, you write: >At 09:50 AM 4/7/98 EDT, you wrote: >>2) There was a lot of discussion about the SRAM card. I had explained why we >>were now going for a very simple card and I had explained the problems with >>the ROM/DOS and HDOS. There was mention of some of the difficulties Alan is >>having with SimCoupe which it was felt was largely due to the lack of >>documentation on SAM. > > >Which problems with SimCoupe were these? > >Simon Talking to Alan he seems to be having trouble with timings. Some instructions take different times to process when the screen scan is at different stages. He also agreed with me that any steps to document more of the ROM and DOS would help in getting SimCoupe to do a better job. HTH. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 8 15:47:42 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:38:26 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Show Report Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1254 Lines: 35 In a message dated 07/04/98 15:10:38, you write: >On Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:50:50 EDT, BrenchleyR said: >> First, Crashed and FRED both failed to turn up. > >And of course Persona, who I gather object to your vendetta against >David Ledbury. And who doesn't?... Persona had not booked a stand, dispite the offer being made. Crashed and Fred had, that is why they were mentioned. > >> Attendance was just a smidge down on the last two shows - mostly I think >due >> to the very inclement weather and the plethora of sorting events that chose >> the same day. > >Perhaps we should arrange our own sorting event for next time. Bring a Sam >and you get to choose which to implement in BASIC from Hoare's Quicksort, >heap sort, radix sort, shell sort, insertion sort, exchange sort and bubble >sort. The fastest one to sort all the given testcases wins. :-) OK! It was supposed to be SPORTING. > >> If people would only stop buggering off to the pub (we have perfectly good >> tea, coffee and even hot chocolate available) things would be a lot better. > >But do you sell steak and kidney pie, barbecue ribs or gammon and pineapple? No, but then the food at that pub isn't up to much, and I'm told they are planning to close it soon :) > >imc -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 8 15:47:52 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <89db009b.352b8be6@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:38:29 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Show Report Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 426 Lines: 15 In a message dated 08/04/98 11:12:25, you write: >On Tue, 7 Apr 1998 17:55:19 +0100, Gavin Smith said: >> Erm. Why do you bother to continually try to rubbish the efforts of Edwin >> Blink and his Atom hard disk system? It won't go away you know :) > >Actually, Bob did say that the new DOS should support both of the hard >disk interfaces. > >imc It would be daft not to are there are almost the same hardware. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 8 15:47:53 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:38:29 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Show Report Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 992 Lines: 31 In a message dated 08/04/98 11:43:57, you write: > >On Tue, 7 Apr 1998 17:55:19 +0100, Gavin Smith said: >>> Erm. Why do you bother to continually try to rubbish the efforts of Edwin >>> Blink and his Atom hard disk system? It won't go away you know :) >> >> Actually, Bob did say that the new DOS should support both of the hard >> disk interfaces. >> >> imc > >Fair enough! :) It's just the impression I got from anything he has said >about it on this list. BDOS works though (apparently), and although it's >certainly not the most efficient system, it will hopefully do what we want >:) > >Gavin Ok, to repeat my words on Saturday. "While BDOS has gone down one route, putting umteen floppy images on the hard drive, it cannot be considered a finished HDOS. Neither can SD's, because of the bugs in the ROM/DOS Nev has come to a halt. Serious effort need to be made to get _A_ fully working HDOS, either of the current systems could form a start." Hope that makes it clear. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 8 15:47:54 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <16d15278.352b8be6@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:38:28 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: BDOS\ATOM (was: Show Report) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 434 Lines: 17 In a message dated 07/04/98 18:36:28, you write: >>Erm. Why do you bother to continually try to rubbish the efforts of Edwin >>Blink and his Atom hard disk system? It won't go away you know :) > >Of course it won't! :) I've got a 50meg 3.5 inch harddrive sitting in my >red electronics junk box under my chest of draws ready to be thrust inside >my SAM. Sorry, but you need a 2.5" drive to go inside. [snip] >Justin. > > -- Bob. From imc Wed Apr 8 15:53:13 1998 Subject: Re: Show Report To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:53:13 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "BrenchleyR" at Apr 8, 98 10:38:26 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 208 Lines: 7 On Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:38:26 EDT, BrenchleyR said: > No, but then the food at that pub isn't up to much, and I'm told they are > planning to close it soon :) I doubt you even know which one we went to. imc From imc Wed Apr 8 15:54:42 1998 Subject: Re: Show Report To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:54:42 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <9d2d1329.352b8be5@aol.com> from "BrenchleyR" at Apr 8, 98 10:38:27 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 428 Lines: 10 On Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:38:27 EDT, BrenchleyR said: > Listen. Anything between me, David Ledbury, and any company he is involved in, > is nobody's business but ours. I will not get into another long argument - END > OF STORY. Anything which stops one of the best Sam companies from turning up to the show _is_ our business. The show would be much more of a success if you just dropped this whole thing with David Ledbury. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 8 16:46:43 1998 Message-Id: From: Dan Doore Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:42:42 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: RE: Show Report MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /310000000/310102093/310102123/310460310/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 101" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 416 Lines: 16 > No, but then the food at that pub isn't up to much, and I'm told they > are planning to close it soon :) That's the Basket Weaver - we went to the Salmon's Leap. I got the story from the taxi guy who took me, apparently the "Wacky Warehouse" has destroyed the Weavers trade and Tesco are getting the land back. Dan. Work: dan@bacg.com Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 8 17:46:01 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980408123535.006c0560@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 12:35:35 -0400 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: RE: Show Report In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 972 Lines: 32 At 04:42 PM 4/8/98 +0000, you wrote: >> No, but then the food at that pub isn't up to much, and I'm told they >> are planning to close it soon :) > >That's the Basket Weaver - we went to the Salmon's Leap. > >I got the story from the taxi guy who took me, apparently the "Wacky >Warehouse" has destroyed the Weavers trade and Tesco are getting the land >back. Oh No! What will we do without: People giving us funny looks because we're not regulars. Stefan getting strange egg-byproducts and being dared to eat them. ... Um. That was the only good/bad thing about the place. Oh well. Better tear it down. ;) Simon ps. That and it was about 30 seconds walk from the hall. +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "You know... you can tell someone's vain when they quote themselves | | in their own .sig file..." -- Simon Cooke | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 8 17:46:01 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980408123731.006c37a4@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 12:37:31 -0400 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Show Report In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1001 Lines: 22 At 10:38 AM 4/8/98 EDT, you wrote: >Talking to Alan he seems to be having trouble with timings. Some instructions >take different times to process when the screen scan is at different stages. >He also agreed with me that any steps to document more of the ROM and DOS >would help in getting SimCoupe to do a better job. Hmmm.... wellllll..... I've got the MasterDOS and ROM source code. I've also got the source to SAMDOS somewhere on floppy. All we need now is a copy of the MasterBASIC source code, and we'd be able to document the lot, bug fixes and all. But how about if we distributed the source to everyone on the list who wants to have a go, and break it down into chunks for us all to annotate? Simon +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "You know... you can tell someone's vain when they quote themselves | | in their own .sig file..." -- Simon Cooke | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 8 17:57:59 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <002565E0.00620E73.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 17:57:25 +0000 Subject: Re: BDOS\ATOM (was: Show Report) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 441 Lines: 16 >>Of course it won't! :) I've got a 50meg 3.5 inch harddrive sitting in my >>red electronics junk box under my chest of draws ready to be thrust inside >>my SAM. >Sorry, but you need a 2.5" drive to go inside. WHAT?!?!? No!! That can't be true!!!! Please say it's not!!! Whhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!! *sob sob cry cry* That hard-drive has been sitting in my possesion for ages waiting for a connection into my SAM. Justin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 8 18:20:30 1998 Message-Id: <002601bd6312$203a6160$2314a8c2@sparky> From: Gavin Smith To: sam-users Subject: Re: BDOS\ATOM (was: Show Report) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 18:16:50 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 688 Lines: 22 -----Original Message----- From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk >>Sorry, but you need a 2.5" drive to go inside. > >WHAT?!?!? No!! That can't be true!!!! Please say it's not!!! > Whhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!! > *sob sob cry cry* > >That hard-drive has been sitting in my possesion for ages waiting for >a connection into my SAM. > >Justin Don't panic! The 3.5" drive won't fit inside the SAM (unless you modify your SAM's case, i.e. burn a big hole in it :), but, apparently the interface will come with a 2.5" to 3.5" converter, which means you can just plonk the drive outside your SAM (like you have to do with Nev's interface anyway). Phew! Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 8 19:52:19 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: POSTMASTER From: Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <802565E0.006782CC.00@uks.postmaster.co.uk> Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 19:50:38 +0100 Subject: Re: BDOS\ATOM (was: Show Report) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 542 Lines: 19 [space saved] | Don't panic! The 3.5" drive won't fit inside the SAM (unless you modify your | SAM's case, i.e. burn a big hole in it :), but, apparently the interface | will come with a 2.5" to 3.5" converter, which means you can just plonk the | drive outside your SAM (like you have to do with Nev's interface anyway). | Phew! | | Gavin Then you will also need a power supply. -- Samsboss - The One And Only. Accept No Others. ___________________________________ To sign up for a free email account, visit http://www.postmaster.co.uk. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 8 20:35:13 1998 Message-Id: <000801bd6322$549c28c0$1b14a8c2@sparky> From: Gavin Smith To: sam-users Subject: Re: BDOS\ATOM (was: Show Report) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 20:12:50 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 460 Lines: 20 >| Don't panic! The 3.5" drive won't fit inside the SAM (unless you modify >your >| SAM's case, i.e. burn a big hole in it :), but, apparently the interface >| will come with a 2.5" to 3.5" converter, which means you can just plonk >the >| drive outside your SAM (like you have to do with Nev's interface anyway). >| Phew! >| >| Gavin > >Then you will also need a power supply. > >-- >Samsboss - The One And Only. >Accept No Others. Apparently not :) Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 8 20:35:23 1998 From: Gouranga Message-ID: <69b227fe.352bcdd4@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:19:47 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Show Report Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 168 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 332 Lines: 9 > > No, but then the food at that pub isn't up to much, and I'm told they are > > planning to close it soon :) > > I doubt you even know which one we went to. Oh for fucks sake, no wonder nothing is getting done. Arguments for arguments sake is fine, but 95% of this list is argumentative, pointless, over- opinionated wank. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 8 20:58:04 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980408154907.006b873c@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 15:49:07 -0400 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Show Report In-Reply-To: <69b227fe.352bcdd4@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 968 Lines: 24 At 03:19 PM 4/8/98 EDT, you wrote: >> > No, but then the food at that pub isn't up to much, and I'm told they are >> > planning to close it soon :) >> >> I doubt you even know which one we went to. > > >Oh for fucks sake, no wonder nothing is getting done. Arguments for arguments >sake is fine, but 95% of this list is argumentative, pointless, over- >opinionated wank. So no change there then ;) Simon ps. I'm slowly (when I get chance, and when the tendons in my fingers feel up to it -- RSI, ugh! -- putting together the C version of the assembler. It's coming along reasonably nicely. I may chop out some of the flashier bits and pieces to get a release out though). +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "You know... you can tell someone's vain when they quote themselves | | in their own .sig file..." -- Simon Cooke | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 8 22:03:47 1998 Message-Id: <001601bd632f$c9c6bea0$1114a8c2@sparky> From: Gavin Smith To: sam-users Subject: Re: BDOS\ATOM (was: Show Report) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 21:49:05 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 713 Lines: 23 >>Then you will also need a power supply. >> >>-- >>Samsboss - The One And Only. >>Accept No Others. > > >Apparently not :) > >Gavin Just spoke to Malcolm on the phone, and you will need a power supply if you are going to use an external 3.5" drive (don't ask me what I was thinking of!). Justin, it might be just as easy to get a 2.5" inch drive, or failing that a power supply could be ripped from an old PC or something. I've got a little 2.5" drive in my cupboard, ready to go into my SAM, and I can't wait :) Apparently the system is working wonderfully now, and should be ready very soon. Hurrah! I'm sure Malcolm would only be too pleased to chat about it on the phone if you give him a ring. HTH Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 8 22:03:48 1998 Message-Id: <001b01bd6330$17557b20$1114a8c2@sparky> From: Gavin Smith To: sam-users Subject: Re: Show Report Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 21:51:12 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 470 Lines: 14 -----Original Message----- From: Simon Cooke >ps. I'm slowly (when I get chance, and when the tendons in my fingers feel >up to it -- RSI, ugh! -- putting together the C version of the assembler. >It's coming along reasonably nicely. I may chop out some of the flashier >bits and pieces to get a release out though). Apologies if this is considered as junk mail, but I'd just like to say "well done Simon, we all wish you luck" :) Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 8 22:03:49 1998 Message-Id: <002a01bd6330$abbcd060$1114a8c2@sparky> From: Gavin Smith To: sam-users Subject: Re: Show Report Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 21:54:59 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 584 Lines: 16 -----Original Message----- From: BrenchleyR >Ok, to repeat my words on Saturday. > >"While BDOS has gone down one route, putting umteen floppy images on the hard >drive, it cannot be considered a finished HDOS. Erm, okay but it's the best we've got so far, in fact it sounds pretty damn good to me - but more importantly, it's here now, already done, already usable, and the hard drive will just be a few weeks now. Isn't that great news, Bob? :) I trust all those Format readers who aren't online, will be able to read some articles about it in Format? Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 8 22:07:50 1998 Message-Id: <003901bd6331$91096020$1114a8c2@sparky> From: Gavin Smith To: sam-users Subject: Re: Show Report Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 22:00:43 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 341 Lines: 9 On Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:50:50 EDT, BrenchleyR said: > First, Crashed and FRED both failed to turn up. Erm. It just occurred to me, what SAM companies *did* actually turn up? If Crashed, Fred, Persona, Zodiac and F9 Software weren't there, who was? I'm not being nasty despite what you always seem to think Bob, I was just wondering :) Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 8 22:21:51 1998 From: arivyyrl@aqverpg.pb.hx (Nev Young) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: BDOS\ATOM (was: Show Report) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 21:13:29 GMT Organization: Message-ID: <352bdf6b.675172@mail.enterprise.net> References: <000801bd6322$549c28c0$1b14a8c2@sparky> In-Reply-To: <000801bd6322$549c28c0$1b14a8c2@sparky> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1237 Lines: 37 On Wed, 8 Apr 1998 20:12:50 +0100, "Gavin Smith" wrote: > >| Don't panic! The 3.5" drive won't fit inside the SAM (unless you modify > >your > >| SAM's case, i.e. burn a big hole in it :), but, apparently the interface > >| will come with a 2.5" to 3.5" converter, which means you can just plonk > >the > >| drive outside your SAM (like you have to do with Nev's interface anyway). > >| Phew! > >| > >| Gavin > > > >Then you will also need a power supply. > > > > Apparently not :) Look I've built the bloody things so listen as I will only say this once. The Atom board plugs into the drive two socket on the Sam main board. Then a short 40 way cable connects it to a 3.5" to 2.5" convertor pcb which is plugged into a 2.5" drive. As 2.5" drives only use 5volts it draws all it's power from the Sam. Nothing sticks out of the case. If you wanna use a 3.5" drive you can. Just connect a 40way cable to the atom board to go directly to your 3.5" drive. As 3.5" drives require both 5 and 12 volts you will need an external power supply as the 100mA or so from sam is not enough to spin the motor on a full size drive. Nev -- Nev - still at nevilley @ ndirect . co . uk but fighting the hordes of spam. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 9 10:40:12 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <812fb893.352c95a2@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 05:32:15 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Show Report Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 470 Lines: 16 In a message dated 08/04/98 15:32:50, you write: >On Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:38:26 EDT, BrenchleyR said: >> No, but then the food at that pub isn't up to much, and I'm told they are >> planning to close it soon :) > >I doubt you even know which one we went to. > >imc Well it is usually the Basket Maker, which sadly changed hands a couple of years ago and has gone down hill ever since. Tesco's, who own the land, are now planning to build a bank on the site. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 9 10:40:12 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <41f7888c.352c95a5@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 05:32:19 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Show Report Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 428 Lines: 17 In a message dated 08/04/98 17:26:59, you write: >> No, but then the food at that pub isn't up to much, and I'm told they >> are planning to close it soon :) > >That's the Basket Weaver - we went to the Salmon's Leap. That place is even worse.... > >I got the story from the taxi guy who took me, apparently the "Wacky >Warehouse" has destroyed the Weavers trade and Tesco are getting the land >back. > >Dan. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 9 10:40:13 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <94df9794.352c95a4@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 05:32:18 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Show Report Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1324 Lines: 36 In a message dated 08/04/98 16:44:15, you write: >At 10:38 AM 4/8/98 EDT, you wrote: >>Talking to Alan he seems to be having trouble with timings. Some >instructions >>take different times to process when the screen scan is at different stages. >>He also agreed with me that any steps to document more of the ROM and DOS >>would help in getting SimCoupe to do a better job. > >Hmmm.... wellllll..... > >I've got the MasterDOS and ROM source code. I've also got the source to >SAMDOS somewhere on floppy. I didn't even know the source to SAMDOS still existed. AFAIK Andy threw out his copy long ago and Bruce lost his around the time he quit SAMCo first time round. Would love a copy of that source if you can find it. ROM and MasterDOS source would, in my opinion, be better sent out in Comet format. Somewhere I have said files, but it may be a long search to find them. > >All we need now is a copy of the MasterBASIC source code, and we'd be able >to document the lot, bug fixes and all. MasterBASIC source is on Andy's PC/SAM development system. The last time I asked he said it would take time to convert. Will email him again over the weekend. > >But how about if we distributed the source to everyone on the list who >wants to have a go, and break it down into chunks for us all to annotate? > >Simon -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 9 10:40:14 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <68e4d500.352c95a7@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 05:32:21 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: BDOS\ATOM (was: Show Report) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 730 Lines: 31 In a message dated 08/04/98 19:16:22, you write: >o > >>| Don't panic! The 3.5" drive won't fit inside the SAM (unless you modify >>your >>| SAM's case, i.e. burn a big hole in it :), but, apparently the interface >>| will come with a 2.5" to 3.5" converter, which means you can just plonk >>the >>| drive outside your SAM (like you have to do with Nev's interface anyway). >>| Phew! >>| >>| Gavin >> >>Then you will also need a power supply. >> >>-- >>Samsboss - The One And Only. >>Accept No Others. > > >Apparently not :) > >Gavin Oh you would, there is _NO_ way SAM's PSU can supply enough for an IDE drive - especially on the 12v side. Modern drived need at least .5amp and older drives can use as much as 2amp. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 9 10:40:14 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <3e06561.352c95a9@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 05:32:23 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Show Report Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1022 Lines: 30 In a message dated 08/04/98 21:07:51, you write: >On Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:50:50 EDT, BrenchleyR said: >> First, Crashed and FRED both failed to turn up. > >Erm. It just occurred to me, what SAM companies *did* actually turn up? If >Crashed, Fred, Persona, Zodiac and F9 Software weren't there, who was? I'm >not being nasty despite what you always seem to think Bob, I was just >wondering :) > >Gavin Format (of course) with Revelation and WCC. Sam Sup, SD, Quazar, Colin McD (but not as FRED), G.Little Distribution, Sinclair Magic (I think that is what the Dutch guys were calling themselves) and Saturdays resident expert was Tony Kinch (Carol was pre booked by her church but will be at the October show). Hilton had hoped to come but Jack was ill a couple of weeks before so had to cancel. We now know that FRED was not there because Darren did not send the stuff to Allan Clarkson in time, and CRASHED left a last min message to say that delays in the latest issue forced them to abandon the trip. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 9 10:40:21 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <3aae1b82.352c95a6@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 05:32:20 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: BDOS\ATOM (was: Show Report) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 556 Lines: 19 In a message dated 08/04/98 17:25:25, you write: >n > > >Don't panic! The 3.5" drive won't fit inside the SAM (unless you modify your >SAM's case, i.e. burn a big hole in it :), but, apparently the interface >will come with a 2.5" to 3.5" converter, which means you can just plonk the >drive outside your SAM (like you have to do with Nev's interface anyway). >Phew! > >Gavin Will the interface drive a longer cable? I know the data latching is a bit better than on the existing SD interface, but I'm not sure how long a cable it would allow. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 9 10:59:21 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <002565E1.003B98DB.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:58:24 +0000 Subject: Re: BDOS\ATOM (was: Show Report) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1209 Lines: 31 >Just spoke to Malcolm on the phone, and you will need a power supply if you >are going to use an external 3.5" drive (don't ask me what I was thinking >of!). Justin, it might be just as easy to get a 2.5" inch drive, or failing >that a power supply could be ripped from an old PC or something. I've got a >little 2.5" drive in my cupboard, ready to go into my SAM, and I can't wait >:) Apparently the system is working wonderfully now, and should be ready >very soon. Hurrah! I'm sure Malcolm would only be too pleased to chat about >it on the phone if you give him a ring. I might aswell go and find myself a 2.5 inch drive from somewhere. The only reason why I want the ATOM is because it is to go INSIDE my SAM! I have enough clutter on my computer desk as it is with still more to come once I get my soldering iron out... I wonder if they still sell standard IDE 2.5inch HDDs in Byte. I suppose I could wonder into Watford Electronics since I live in Watford but I have no idea where it is hidden... I'll have a chit-chat with Malcome when I find some time away from work. Life's too hectic hectic hectic. So much so that I STILL haven't implemented my MemAlloc routines for Xenopsys yet... Justin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 9 13:14:19 1998 From: askillma Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:16:50 +0100 (BST) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: SimCoupe v0.77 developement snapshot released Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1801 Lines: 34 Hi Guys, I've put up the latest DOS developement version of SimCoupe on my web site (http://www.hep.ucl.ac.uk/~ajs/simcoupe). This time I have decided to release a single archive containing the binaries and source code. Even under tight deadlines at work I manage to do some SimCoupe developement, thats dedication for you! On the subject of SimCoupe technical issues, as mensioned by Bob (following my comments at the show). I was referring to the lack of timing information. A while back I was trying to get Border effects to work in SimCoupe. With Andrew Colliers help I did manage to get some issues sorted, but I never manged to get a general version of the code working on all programs. When people develope border effects they tend to play with the timing loops under the effects are properly synchronised, ie they don't really think about the real timing involved. In the emulator I have to approach it the other way around. The Sam appears to have some very funny timings for some instructions, over and above the Z80/ASIC contention issues outlined in BOAI. For example the out (n),a instruction appears to take 12/16 tstates depending on the ASIC scan line! Also I still don't know when the line/frame interrupt is really triggered. Does anyone have a digital OSC and is willing to hook it up to the ASIC? regards Allan +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Allan Skillman | "There are five flavours of resons, the | | EDA Group | elementary particles of magic : up, down, | | ARM | sideways, sex-appeal and peppermint." | | allan.skillman@arm.com | - Terry Pratchett (Lords and Ladies) | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 9 14:45:57 1998 Message-Id: <003a01bd63bc$d31349a0$3514a8c2@sparky> From: Gavin Smith To: sam-users Subject: Re: BDOS\ATOM (was: Show Report) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:36:04 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 314 Lines: 13 >Oh you would, there is _NO_ way SAM's PSU can supply enough for an IDE drive - >especially on the 12v side. Modern drived need at least .5amp and older drives >can use as much as 2amp. > >-- >Bob. Try reading all your mail before sticking your nose in - this point was covered at least twice last night. Gavin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 9 14:59:19 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:51:15 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: BDOS\ATOM (was: Show Report) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 330 Lines: 15 In a message dated 09/04/98 13:41:17, you write: > >Try reading all your mail before sticking your nose in - this point was >covered at least twice last night. > >Gavin. Which I downloaded this morning when I sent the reply. I can't read mail I've not downloaded can I. Still, at least everyone now knows the facts. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 9 14:59:20 1998 From: "E.P.R.P. Blink" Organization: Hanzehogeschool Groningen To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 15:52:37 MET Subject: ATOM INFO X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <7870D6D56CA@mail1.pl.hanze.nl> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1481 Lines: 34 Practically any IDE (ATA2) device can be hooked up to the ATOM interface. When connecting a 2.5" hard drive, a 2.5" to 3.5" adapter is required. For a 3.5" drive you need a sepperate power supply. It is possible to build a 3.5" drive into the SAM without burning the case (if the drive has the same demension as a standard floppy drive). But it requires some skills to do so. (replacing the SAMs power supply with a more powerfull one, soldering extra wires to supply the power to the drive. Modifying the SAMs case with a hobby knife to remove the ledge of the 2nd floppy slot. Also the power connector to the drive must be a punch type.Because the standard one is too long. Drives which produce a lot of heat are not recommended to build inside the SAM because ventilation is poor. A 2.5" drives has more advantages. It is powered by the SAM through the ATOM interface. No soldering. Just connect the interface,cables and adapter board. Also a 2.5" drive are often more silent and if the spindle motor is turned off (Power Down mode) It takes less time to recover to idle mode. When using a 3.5" drive external drive the SAMs casing does not require to be modified. The IDE cable will fit between the metal plate and casing. I used a 75 cm long IDE cable without having any problems. Even when I connected 2 drives to it ( Master/ slave configuration). The ATOM interface is fully buffered to reduce singnal loads at the SAM. Edwin blink From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 9 15:48:55 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980409103538.006bdccc@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 10:35:38 -0400 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Show Report In-Reply-To: <94df9794.352c95a4@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1458 Lines: 35 At 05:32 AM 4/9/98 EDT, you wrote: >>I've got the MasterDOS and ROM source code. I've also got the source to >>SAMDOS somewhere on floppy. > >I didn't even know the source to SAMDOS still existed. AFAIK Andy threw out >his copy long ago and Bruce lost his around the time he quit SAMCo first time >round. Would love a copy of that source if you can find it. Well, it's in a disk-box somewhere in England, so it may take some time :( >ROM and MasterDOS source would, in my opinion, be better sent out in Comet >format. Somewhere I have said files, but it may be a long search to find them. True; but if I send it out as ASCII, everyone can read it on another machine (and thus annotate it), and can also use Comet 2 ASCII (which you'll find on NVG) to do the conversion back to COMET format. >>All we need now is a copy of the MasterBASIC source code, and we'd be able >>to document the lot, bug fixes and all. > >MasterBASIC source is on Andy's PC/SAM development system. The last time I >asked he said it would take time to convert. Will email him again over the >weekend. Okeydokey.... if he can send it as a text file, we can convert it ourselves... :) Simon +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "You know... you can tell someone's vain when they quote themselves | | in their own .sig file..." -- Simon Cooke | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 9 19:31:57 1998 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 16:03:07 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Dave Subject: Re: SimCoupe v0.77 developement snapshot released In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1118 Lines: 26 >I've put up the latest DOS developement version of SimCoupe on my web site >(http://www.hep.ucl.ac.uk/~ajs/simcoupe). This time I have decided to >release a single archive containing the binaries and source code. dunno if i mentioned this before (about the last version) but sound (of the internal-speaker variety) is screwed: using no command-line parameters for simcoupe, just type BEEP 1,0 and i also get a pitch at around 13 playing at the same time. (in windows 95) under dos, run BEEP 1,0 and i also get a pitch at around 7 playing at the sam time run simcoupe -sync false, however, and i don't get the mysterious 'extra' sound, so it's obviously a problem linked to the sync timing also, i know you recently halved the display y-resolution using funky vga stuff, and my millennium II seemed ok with it, but the machine i'm using at the moment has a ati video xpression (mach64vt to you and me) and on this card the half-vertical-resolution display is instead squashed and so takes up just half the screen! (rather than full screen with reduced y-resolution) works ok using old mode (F5) though -- Dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 9 21:21:24 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: POSTMASTER From: Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <802565E1.006FC098.00@uks.postmaster.co.uk> Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 21:20:39 +0100 Subject: Re: Show Report Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 429 Lines: 16 [space saved] | | True; but if I send it out as ASCII, everyone can read it on another | machine (and thus annotate it), and can also use Comet 2 ASCII (which | you'll find on NVG) to do the conversion back to COMET format. Are you going to put the files up on NVG? -- Samsboss - The One And Only. Accept No Others. ___________________________________ To sign up for a free email account, visit http://www.postmaster.co.uk. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 9 21:34:26 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980409162747.006ba128@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 16:27:47 -0400 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Show Report In-Reply-To: <802565E1.006FC098.00@uks.postmaster.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 739 Lines: 19 At 09:20 PM 4/9/98 +0100, you wrote: > >[space saved] >| >| True; but if I send it out as ASCII, everyone can read it on another >| machine (and thus annotate it), and can also use Comet 2 ASCII (which >| you'll find on NVG) to do the conversion back to COMET format. > >Are you going to put the files up on NVG? Well, once I have the final yeah or nay from Bob, most definitely. Though if I don't do it today, it'll be Tuesday before I can. Simon +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "You know... you can tell someone's vain when they quote themselves | | in their own .sig file..." -- Simon Cooke | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 10 22:28:04 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <79b35125.352e8dc6@aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 17:23:17 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: SRAM update (was Re: Show Report) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 831 Lines: 28 In a message dated 09/04/98 20:34:53, you write: > >At 09:20 PM 4/9/98 +0100, you wrote: >> >>[space saved] >>| >>| True; but if I send it out as ASCII, everyone can read it on another >>| machine (and thus annotate it), and can also use Comet 2 ASCII (which >>| you'll find on NVG) to do the conversion back to COMET format. >> >>Are you going to put the files up on NVG? > >Well, once I have the final yeah or nay from Bob, most definitely. > >Though if I don't do it today, it'll be Tuesday before I can. > >Simon Go ahead Simon. Have now finished (I think) routing the SRAM card, so that will be along as soon as I can find a reasonable priced PCB company. I'm sure if others are like me, making minor changes to a section of code and seeing what it then does is often the best way to work out what is going on. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Apr 11 21:11:00 1998 Message-ID: <352EDDF6.7BCA@postmaster.co.uk> Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 20:05:26 -0700 From: David Ledbury Organization: The Foundation for Green Eggs & Ham X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Various SAM hardware for sale. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 360 Lines: 12 I've a few odds of ends of hardware to offload to any SAM enthusiasts round here.... External Disk/Printer Interface Internal SAM Drive (Genuine model!!) Blue Alpha Sampler I'm after a realistic price for them. If you're interested - call Malcolm Mackenzie on 061 7970651. Perhaps you can pass the ATOM queries to him directly at the same time?!! David From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Apr 12 00:00:41 1998 Message-Id: <001401bd659d$3743c120$1614a8c2@sparky> From: Gavin Smith To: sam-users Subject: Re: Various SAM hardware for sale. Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 23:57:30 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 277 Lines: 13 From: David Ledbury >I've a few odds of ends of hardware to offload to any SAM enthusiasts >round here.... On this list? SAM enthusiasts? You mean, both of them? :/ > Internal SAM Drive (Genuine model!!) As opposed to a pretend one? Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 14 16:47:59 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980414113933.006b3e80@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:39:33 -0400 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: SAM Basic & Masterdos Source Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 324 Lines: 7 Is now in Incoming on nvg :) Simon +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "You know... you can tell someone's vain when they quote themselves | | in their own .sig file..." -- Simon Cooke | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 14 17:01:35 1998 Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 17:58:53 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9804141558.AA13751@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SAM Basic & Masterdos Source X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 162 Lines: 8 > Is now in Incoming on nvg :) ...and moved to ./sources/ -Frode PS: Stuff also exists in ./temp/ which I have no idea where to put. Suggestions are welcome. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 14 22:16:06 1998 From: Maria Rookyard To: sam-users Subject: Re: SAM Basic & Masterdos Source Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 21:50:55 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 187 Lines: 10 > PS: Stuff also exists in ./temp/ which I have no idea where to put. > Suggestions are welcome. Frode, *never* ask people where to put stuff - they're likely to tell you ;) Maria. x From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 15 08:23:09 1998 Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:19:47 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9804150719.AA14780@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SAM Basic & Masterdos Source X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 244 Lines: 11 > > PS: Stuff also exists in ./temp/ which I have no idea where to put. > > Suggestions are welcome. > > > Frode, *never* ask people where to put stuff - they're likely to tell you > ;) Come one then! Yeah! Go ahead! Ahhhh..... ;) -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 17 13:13:28 1998 From: "E.P.R.P. Blink" Organization: Hanzehogeschool Groningen To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:59:34 MET Subject: No mail X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <8453DDB0674@mail1.pl.hanze.nl> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 93 Lines: 4 Is it realy so quiet on the list ? I havn't recieved any mail yet this week. Edwin Blink From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 17 13:49:45 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <8a550d0b.35374d12@aol.com> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 08:37:36 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: No mail Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 253 Lines: 13 In a message dated 17/04/98 12:17:08, you write: > >Is it realy so quiet on the list ? >I havn't recieved any mail yet this week. > >Edwin Blink It is Edwin, it is. I think everyone has gone of on holiday and left us minding the shop :) -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 17 13:49:45 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <002565E9.004B71CF.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:44:13 +0000 Subject: Re: No mail Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 124 Lines: 8 >Is it realy so quiet on the list ? >I havn't recieved any mail yet this week. It really is this quiet, sorry... Justin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 17 14:16:30 1998 From: askillma Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:19:31 +0100 (BST) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Sam Coupe printer I/O information Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 863 Lines: 17 Hi Guys, I thought I would break the silence on this list with a couple of technical questions for you all. After playing around with the GUI on SimCoupe for a few weeks, I thought I would add some more functionality to teh actual amulation : printer support and the clock/calender. Unfortunately I don't seem to have any documentation for either of these systems. Can somebody enlighten me? Allan +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Allan Skillman | "There are five flavours of resons, the | | EDA Group | elementary particles of magic : up, down, | | ARM | sideways, sex-appeal and peppermint." | | allan.skillman@arm.com | - Terry Pratchett (Lords and Ladies) | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 17 15:19:03 1998 From: "E.P.R.P. Blink" Organization: Hanzehogeschool Groningen To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 16:14:29 MET Subject: Re: Sam Coupe printer I/O information X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <847712D46D4@mail1.pl.hanze.nl> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 223 Lines: 14 Well the printer ports are: parallel 1 port 232: 8 bit data out port 233 bit 0 only out: stroble, in busy parallel 2 (optionnal) port 234: 8 bit data out port 235 bit 0 only out: stroble, in busy Edwin Blink From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 17 15:41:21 1998 From: "E.P.R.P. Blink" Organization: Hanzehogeschool Groningen To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 16:36:29 MET Subject: BDOS X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <847CEE805B3@mail1.pl.hanze.nl> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 240 Lines: 10 As I made B-DOS shareware and the spead the latest version (V1.4a at the momemt) faster. I'm thinking of mailing it to the list as an attachment somewhere next week. (I only have E-mail). Would there be any problems doing so ? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 17 16:06:05 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980417105702.006b7388@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:57:02 -0400 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: BDOS In-Reply-To: <847CEE805B3@mail1.pl.hanze.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 684 Lines: 19 At 04:36 PM 4/17/98 MET, you wrote: >As I made B-DOS shareware and the spead the latest version (V1.4a at the momemt) >faster. I'm thinking of mailing it to the list as an attachment somewhere next week. >(I only have E-mail). > >Would there be any problems doing so ? Edwin, it might be better if you email it to me at simon.cooke@erols.com, and I'll put it online for you. Thanks, Simon +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "You know... you can tell someone's vain when they quote themselves | | in their own .sig file..." -- Simon Cooke | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 17 16:14:57 1998 From: "E.P.R.P. Blink" Organization: Hanzehogeschool Groningen To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 17:10:58 MET Subject: Re: BDOS X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <84861640056@mail1.pl.hanze.nl> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 306 Lines: 11 At Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:57:02 -0400 Simon wrote: > Edwin, it might be better if you email it to me at simon.cooke@erols.com, > and I'll put it online for you. I'll do it then. there will be two part the DOS 10K code and the a 26K info text. Do you want a particulair text format ??? Edwin Blink From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 17 16:33:11 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980417111330.006b8674@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:13:30 -0400 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: BDOS In-Reply-To: <84861640056@mail1.pl.hanze.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 627 Lines: 16 At 05:10 PM 4/17/98 MET, you wrote: >I'll do it then. > >there will be two part the DOS 10K code and the a 26K info text. >Do you want a particulair text format ??? > >Edwin Blink Any is fine... though PC format rather than SAM Outwrite format would be better for people who are downloading it so that they can read it online. Simon +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "You know... you can tell someone's vain when they quote themselves | | in their own .sig file..." -- Simon Cooke | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 17 17:19:23 1998 From: Maria Rookyard To: SAM Users Mailing List Subject: Wot, no SAM stuff? Read this instead... Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 17:12:23 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id RAA01882 Status: RO Content-Length: 686 Lines: 20 Edwin, here's something to fill the time in until the messages hot up again. It was in the Daily Telegraph supplement. Enjoy! >Conversation at a restaurant where waiter is a former PC consultant: >Customer: Waiter there's a fly in my soup. >Waiter: Try the soup again. Maybe the fly won't be there this time. >Customer: No, it's still there. >Waiter: Maybe it’s the way you're using the soup? Try using a fork. >Customer: Even when I use the fork, the fly is still there. >Waiter: Is the soup incompatable with the bowl? What sort of bowl are you >using? >Customer: A SOUP bowl ! >Waiter: Hmmmm, that should work. Maybe it’s a configuration problem… Maria & Martin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 17 17:54:53 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980417105702.006b7388@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> References: <847CEE805B3@mail1.pl.hanze.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 17:52:29 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Show report etc X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 3057 Lines: 63 Well, I'm back after Easter... [300 messages later] Hmmm. Not surprised to see that a certain three people were complaining about me after I'd gone, but it was nice to see some other people explaining to SamBoss why he hadn't even understood the question (no change there then.) In general reply to those - I don't apologize for disc^H^H^H^Harguing about the SRAM plan. If I'm picking holes, it's because there are holes to pick. If I'm pointing out flaws, it's because there are flaws to point out. If you come here (since you mention it, I've been on the list longer than you Bob, or Samsboss, or Bill) and ask for comments, it's comments you're going to get - so don't start complaining about that now. And yes, I still would like you to explain your opinions in technical terms just as I do - even if you're right nobody is going to change their mind just because you say so. Don't underestimate this list and don't patronise me, you'll find I understand[1] your points. I still think the SRAM is a sideways step, but now you've thrown out all the other ideas and started producing the boards so, in order that I am not accused of throwing spanners in the works, I won't try to stir this up again. When you produce your SRAM board I'll probably buy one and I'll probably write software to use it if I have time. But I'm more interested in the speed increase when instructions run uncontended, than in hacking my way through the ROM. That's why, at the very least it needed more memory. And another thing: On Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:38:26 EDT, BrenchleyR said: >>And of course Persona, who I gather object to your vendetta against >>David Ledbury. And who doesn't?... > >Persona had not booked a stand, dispite the offer being made. As I understand it, Persona were offered a stand on the proviso that David Ledbury didn't attend. At all, either as the standholder or an ordinary paying customer. Malcolm objected to having his disk magazine's editor barred, so they're concentrating their efforts on the northern show instead. As for the discussion... well there were a few times I wanted to butt in and put across another point of view (you just had to get your pieces in about David and Gavin, didn't you?) but you hardly even paused for breath and it's far too late to do anything about that now. But Samsboss, you really should have said hello at the show - in fact I simply can't believe you wasted the rare opportunity to prove me wrong IN PUBLIC by proving you exist, and therefore I still think you don't. Andrew [1] understand != agree with --- +-----------------+----------------------------+--------------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | " | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk | Get your kicks | +-----------------+----------------------------+ on 8.124038405 | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | " | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | anon | +----------------------------------------------+--------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Apr 18 19:51:10 1998 From: Samsboss@Postmaster.co.uk (Samsboss) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Show report etc Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 18:48:16 GMT Organization: Brotherhood of man. Message-ID: <3538f4d9.9541241@mail.enterprise.net> X-Mailer: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 3517 Lines: 89 In a message dated 17/04/98 16:53:07, a SAM USER added the following to the fount of human (?) knowledge: >Well, I'm back after Easter... > >[300 messages later] Not SAM User's messages me thinks. > >Hmmm. Not surprised to see that a certain three people were complaining >about me after I'd gone, but it was nice to see some other people >explaining to SamBoss why he hadn't even understood the question (no change >there then.) Coming from someone who fails to understand even the simplest things, I'll just ignore that. > >In general reply to those - I don't apologize for disc^H^H^H^Harguing about >the SRAM plan. If I'm picking holes, it's because there are holes to pick. >If I'm pointing out flaws, it's because there are flaws to point out. If >you come here (since you mention it, I've been on the list longer than you >Bob, or Samsboss, or Bill) Then you should know better than you do :) >and ask for comments, it's comments you're going >to get - so don't start complaining about that now. And yes, I still would >like you to explain your opinions in technical terms just as I do You wouldn't understand a technical term if it bit yer bum :) >- even if >you're right nobody is going to change their mind just because you say so. >Don't underestimate this list and don't patronise me, you'll find I >understand[1] your points. > >I still think the SRAM is a sideways step, but now you've thrown out all >the other ideas and started producing the boards so, in order that I am not >accused of throwing spanners in the works, I won't try to stir this up >again. When you produce your SRAM board I'll probably buy one and I'll >probably write software to use it if I have time. But I'm more interested >in the speed increase when instructions run uncontended, than in hacking my >way through the ROM. That's why, at the very least it needed more memory. But hacking the ROM is what the current SRAM is being designed for, because of your campaign to stop Nev's design being built. > >And another thing: > >On Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:38:26 EDT, BrenchleyR said: >>>And of course Persona, who I gather object to your vendetta against >>>David Ledbury. And who doesn't?... >> >>Persona had not booked a stand, despite the offer being made. > >As I understand it, Persona were offered a stand on the proviso that David >Ledbury didn't attend. At all, either as the standholder or an ordinary >paying customer. Malcolm objected to having his disk magazine's editor >barred, so they're concentrating their efforts on the northern show instead. love it Andrew, you crack me up you do. > >As for the discussion... well there were a few times I wanted to butt in >and put across another point of view (you just had to get your pieces in >about David and Gavin, didn't you?) but you hardly even paused for breath >and it's far too late to do anything about that now. Although I was not there at the start, I seem to remember that Bob repeatedly asked for others to have their say, and lots of them did. Did the cat get your tongue then? > >But Samsboss, you really should have said hello at the show - in fact I >simply can't believe you wasted the rare opportunity to prove me wrong IN >PUBLIC by proving you exist, and therefore I still think you don't. Oh dear, Andrew is back to thinking I don't exist. Well hard luck, I don't think you exist either. > >Andrew > >[1] understand != agree with You, understand anything? Pull the other one :) -- SamsBoss. The One And Only. Accept No Others. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Apr 19 00:29:37 1998 Message-Id: <001401bd6b21$64223c60$3814a8c2@sparky> From: Gavin Smith To: sam-users Subject: Re: Show report etc Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 00:26:15 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1962 Lines: 51 -----Original Message----- From: Samsboss >Coming from someone who fails to understand even the simplest things, >I'll just ignore that. You really are pathetic, just how childish will you get? >>and ask for comments, it's comments you're going >>to get - so don't start complaining about that now. And yes, I still would >>like you to explain your opinions in technical terms just as I do > >You wouldn't understand a technical term if it bit yer bum :) That's your answer? *Weighs up mails from Andrew over the years against the crap from Samsboss* Hmm, if we're talking about technical knowledge, I think I might just respect Andrew's slightly more ;) >>As I understand it, Persona were offered a stand on the proviso that David >>Ledbury didn't attend. At all, either as the standholder or an ordinary >>paying customer. Malcolm objected to having his disk magazine's editor >>barred, so they're concentrating their efforts on the northern show instead. > > love it Andrew, you crack me up you do. What's so funny? I can't see anything remotely funny there. >>As for the discussion... well there were a few times I wanted to butt in >>and put across another point of view (you just had to get your pieces in >>about David and Gavin, didn't you?) but you hardly even paused for breath >>and it's far too late to do anything about that now. I've heard what Bob said about me at the show, and it was full of lies. Nice one Bob. >Oh dear, Andrew is back to thinking I don't exist. Well hard luck, I >don't think you exist either. Give me your phone number. Go on, I dare you. I asked Bill Ritman more than once, and he ignored the question. It would put this whole matter to rest once and for all if someone ACTUALLY SODDING SPOKE TO YOU. So go on, give me your number and we'll have a friendly chat and laugh at how silly I've been, along with the rest of the list, not to believe in your existence. Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Apr 19 00:47:10 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980418193853.006b7338@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 19:38:53 -0400 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Show report etc In-Reply-To: <3538f4d9.9541241@mail.enterprise.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1403 Lines: 29 At 06:48 PM 4/18/98 GMT, you wrote: >>I still think the SRAM is a sideways step, but now you've thrown out all >>the other ideas and started producing the boards so, in order that I am not >>accused of throwing spanners in the works, I won't try to stir this up >>again. When you produce your SRAM board I'll probably buy one and I'll >>probably write software to use it if I have time. But I'm more interested >>in the speed increase when instructions run uncontended, than in hacking my >>way through the ROM. That's why, at the very least it needed more memory. > >But hacking the ROM is what the current SRAM is being designed for, >because of your campaign to stop Nev's design being built. Samsboss, would you like to enlighten us as to: 1. What Nev's design was originally for (I've forgotten). 2. How Andrew managed to kill it. ONe thing I really really don't understand is why you, Bob or anyone puts so much store in what people on this mailing list think. If you think it's a good idea, go ahead and do it. Or do all of these plans rely on people from this mailing list doing the grunt work? Simon +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "You know... you can tell someone's vain when they quote themselves | | in their own .sig file..." -- Simon Cooke | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Apr 19 12:18:55 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: POSTMASTER From: Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <802565EB.003DFC57.00@uks.postmaster.co.uk> Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 12:17:04 +0100 Subject: Re: Show report etc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 2614 Lines: 87 | -----Original Message----- | From: Samsboss | | >Coming from someone who fails to understand even the simplest things, | >I'll just ignore that. | | | You really are pathetic, just how childish will you get? About as childish as you or Andrew :) | | >>and ask for comments, it's comments you're going | >>to get - so don't start complaining about that now. And yes, I still would | >>like you to explain your opinions in technical terms just as I do | > | >You wouldn't understand a technical term if it bit yer bum :) | | | That's your answer? *Weighs up mails from Andrew over the years against the | crap from Samsboss* Hmm, if we're talking about technical knowledge, I think | I might just respect Andrew's slightly more ;) And I just may respect either of you a bit more if you stopped arguing all the time and grew up. | | >>As I understand it, Persona were offered a stand on the proviso that David | >>Ledbury didn't attend. At all, either as the standholder or an ordinary | >>paying customer. Malcolm objected to having his disk magazine's editor | >>barred, so they're concentrating their efforts on the northern show | instead. | > | > love it Andrew, you crack me up you do. | | | What's so funny? I can't see anything remotely funny there. No humour some people. 1 - I find it funny that anyone would consider having anything to do with DL. 2 - that anyone would compare the NSSS shows to Gloucester. | | >>As for the discussion... well there were a few times I wanted to butt in | >>and put across another point of view (you just had to get your pieces in | >>about David and Gavin, didn't you?) but you hardly even paused for breath | >>and it's far too late to do anything about that now. | | | I've heard what Bob said about me at the show, and it was full of lies. Nice | one Bob. I didn't hear lies, what have you heard? And who from? | | >Oh dear, Andrew is back to thinking I don't exist. Well hard luck, I | >don't think you exist either. | | | Give me your phone number. Go on, I dare you. I asked Bill Ritman more than | once, and he ignored the question. It would put this whole matter to rest | once and for all if someone ACTUALLY SODDING SPOKE TO YOU. So go on, give me | your number and we'll have a friendly chat and laugh at how silly I've been, | along with the rest of the list, not to believe in your existence. I would not lower myself to playing your game. | | Gavin -- Samsboss - The One And Only. Accept No Others. ___________________________________ To sign up for a free email account, visit http://www.postmaster.co.uk. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Apr 19 12:26:11 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: POSTMASTER From: Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <802565EB.003EAC1C.00@uks.postmaster.co.uk> Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 12:24:35 +0100 Subject: Re: Show report etc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1965 Lines: 62 | At 06:48 PM 4/18/98 GMT, you wrote: | >>I still think the SRAM is a sideways step, but now you've thrown out all | >>the other ideas and started producing the boards so, in order that I am not | >>accused of throwing spanners in the works, I won't try to stir this up | >>again. When you produce your SRAM board I'll probably buy one and I'll | >>probably write software to use it if I have time. But I'm more interested | >>in the speed increase when instructions run uncontended, than in hacking my | >>way through the ROM. That's why, at the very least it needed more memory. | > | >But hacking the ROM is what the current SRAM is being designed for, | >because of your campaign to stop Nev's design being built. | | Samsboss, would you like to enlighten us as to: | | 1. What Nev's design was originally for (I've forgotten). If I remember it gave 128K sideways SRAM to allow any two 16K pages to be in slots A/D. | 2. How Andrew managed to kill it. By his constant argument that "we have to make it work with this non-existant new processor that I'm going off to design an operating system for in my coffee break..." And other similar arguments which just went to show he did not have the faintest idea what he was talking about. | | ONe thing I really really don't understand is why you, Bob or anyone puts | so much store in what people on this mailing list think. If you think it's | a good idea, go ahead and do it. Which is exactly what is now happening. | | Or do all of these plans rely on people from this mailing list doing the | grunt work? >From what I've seen, I don't think there are many on this list who could do any of the work - there may be some with the skills, but they are all so full of their own importance that they are unable to work as part of any team. | | Simon -- Samsboss - The One And Only. Accept No Others. ___________________________________ To sign up for a free email account, visit http://www.postmaster.co.uk. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Apr 19 12:42:26 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3538f4d9.9541241@mail.enterprise.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 12:39:42 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Show report etc X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1209 Lines: 39 At 7:48 pm +0100 18/4/98, Samsboss wrote: >In a message dated 17/04/98 16:53:07, a SAM USER added the following >to the fount of human (?) knowledge: > >>Well, I'm back after Easter... >> >>[300 messages later] > >Not SAM User's messages me thinks. 305 sam-users messages between going home and coming back, in fact. ... >>to get - so don't start complaining about that now. And yes, I still would >>like you to explain your opinions in technical terms just as I do > >You wouldn't understand a technical term if it bit yer bum :) >>[1] understand != agree with > >You, understand anything? Pull the other one :) Oh hurrah. I look forward to another term of reasoned argument and sensible debate. Andrew --- +-----------------+----------------------------+--------------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | " | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk | Get your kicks | +-----------------+----------------------------+ on 8.124038405 | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | " | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | anon | +----------------------------------------------+--------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Apr 19 13:00:35 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <802565EB.003EAC1C.00@uks.postmaster.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 12:57:41 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Show report etc X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1284 Lines: 31 At 12:24 pm +0100 19/4/98, Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk wrote: >By his constant argument that "we have to make it work with this >non-existant >new processor that I'm going off to design an operating system for in my >coffee >break..." And other similar arguments which just went to show he did not >have >the faintest idea what he was talking about. Hmmm. Now you're just proving that _you_ did not have the faintest idea what _I_ was talking about. But that's okay; I expected nothing more. What I had actually said at the time was.... no hang about - why should I go to the trouble of repeating myself for this twit? I'm not being drawn further by this definition of troll[1]. Andrew [1]don't worry if you didn't understand that, I expected nothing more[2] [2]That was also a troll. --- +-----------------+----------------------------+--------------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | " | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk | Get your kicks | +-----------------+----------------------------+ on 8.124038405 | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | " | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | anon | +----------------------------------------------+--------------------+ From imc Sun Apr 19 14:58:58 1998 Subject: Re: Show report etc In-Reply-To: <802565EB.003DFC57.00@uks.postmaster.co.uk> from "Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk" at "Apr 19, 98 12:17:04 pm" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 14:58:58 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 259 Lines: 8 On Sun, 19 Apr 1998 12:17:04 +0100, Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk said: > No humour some people. 1 - I find it funny that anyone would consider > having > anything to do with DL. So what has DL ever done to _you_ then Samsboss, that is if you are not Bob? imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Apr 19 15:11:32 1998 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Show report etc References: <199804191358.OAA03221@ruby.comlab> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware X-{giggle}: Lots! From: The Giggler Date: 19 Apr 1998 15:08:53 +0100 In-Reply-To: Ian Collier's message of "Sun, 19 Apr 1998 14:58:58 +0100 (BST)" Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.66/Emacs 19.34 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 696 Lines: 19 Ian Collier writes: > On Sun, 19 Apr 1998 12:17:04 +0100, Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk said: > > No humour some people. 1 - I find it funny that anyone would consider > > having > > anything to do with DL. > > So what has DL ever done to _you_ then Samsboss, that is if you are not Bob? I'm sure we've been through this one already, something about bad customer service IIRC, let's just say that Samsboss doesn't like him though I agree with Andrew in that I don't think that there is anything funny about one of the major SAM software companies pulling out of one of the major SAM shows due to small-minded prejudices held by some people ... Lee. -- Yawn And Walk North From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Apr 19 15:20:54 1998 Message-Id: <001201bd6b9d$bc9d39e0$2114a8c2@sparky> From: Gavin Smith To: sam-users Subject: Re: Show report etc Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 15:16:22 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 866 Lines: 25 -----Original Message----- From: Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk >>| Give me your phone number. Go on, I dare you. I asked Bill Ritman more >>than >>| once, and he ignored the question. It would put this whole matter to rest >>| once and for all if someone ACTUALLY SODDING SPOKE TO YOU. So go on, give >>me >>| your number and we'll have a friendly chat and laugh at how silly I've >>been, >>| along with the rest of the list, not to believe in your existence. >I would not lower myself to playing your game. What game?! I'm sick and tired of you and your continued childish comments, you're putting me and a lot of other people off the Sam. Give me your number, and we'll talk - what's wrong with that? Or is it because your number would turn out to be a number familiar to Format readers? Just give me your number so we never have to talk about this again. Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Apr 19 20:41:47 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: POSTMASTER From: Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <802565EB.0069B9A6.00@uks.postmaster.co.uk> Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 20:14:50 +0100 Subject: Re: Show report etc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1544 Lines: 57 | At 7:48 pm +0100 18/4/98, Samsboss wrote: | >In a message dated 17/04/98 16:53:07, a SAM USER added the following | >to the fount of human (?) knowledge: | > | >>Well, I'm back after Easter... | >> | >>[300 messages later] | > | >Not SAM User's messages me thinks. | | 305 sam-users messages between going home and coming back, in fact. You were off to long then, cos its been _REAL_ dead for ages. | | ... | | >>to get - so don't start complaining about that now. And yes, I still would | >>like you to explain your opinions in technical terms just as I do | > | >You wouldn't understand a technical term if it bit yer bum :) | | >>[1] understand != agree with | > | >You, understand anything? Pull the other one :) I know, its got bells on :) | | | Oh hurrah. I look forward to another term of reasoned argument and sensible | debate. After you. | | Andrew | | | --- | +-----------------+----------------------------+--------------------+ | | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | " | | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk | Get your kicks | | +-----------------+----------------------------+ on 8.124038405 | | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | " | | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | anon | | +----------------------------------------------+--------------------+ | -- Samsboss - The One And Only. Accept No Others. ___________________________________ To sign up for a free email account, visit http://www.postmaster.co.uk. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Apr 19 20:41:47 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980419151600.006b5ed4@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 15:16:00 -0400 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Wahoo! I'm famous! :) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 349 Lines: 10 Take a peek: http://www.msnbc.com/news/159191.asp :) Simon +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "You know... you can tell someone's vain when they quote themselves | | in their own .sig file..." -- Simon Cooke | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Apr 19 21:10:54 1998 Message-Id: <199804192008.WAA12073@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: Wahoo! I'm famous! :) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 22:07:51 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 468 Lines: 18 > Van: Simon Cooke > Aan: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Onderwerp: Wahoo! I'm famous! :) > Datum: Sunday, April 19, 1998 9:16 > > Take a peek: > http://www.msnbc.com/news/159191.asp > This guy has to much time on his hands :) Good idea actually, but I think spammers will blow their noses in it. Well done young mr. Cooke -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] The borderline Express will terminate at this station :) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Apr 19 22:55:43 1998 Message-Id: <9804192153.AA04580@mars.cableol.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Neil Maynard To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 22:56:21 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Screw this for a game of soldiers X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 806 Lines: 22 WHO GIVES A SHIT!!!! This list has once again turned into Bob/Samsboss/Bill Ritman disagreeing with evertone and ...... oh who gives a shit - i'm off!!! I pay to recieve this crap so no more - I think i'll join a mailing list where there is some actual usefull news/e-mail's on it. Bob grow up - get rid of these stupid aliases or if you people (Samsboss/Bill) are real then give someone your phone number! Its not that bloody difficult!! and also end this stupid bloody fued with Persona/DL. Once again it is you who is harming the Sam Scene - just grow up! Oh Bollocks to it, why do I even bother Anyway if this list ever gets back to decent conversation ( VERY Doubtfull!!) then would someone please let me know and I'll re-join - till then bye! Neil Maynard Pissed off Sam Coupe owner From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 20 01:04:32 1998 Message-ID: <3539A025.283C@postmaster.co.uk> Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 23:56:37 -0700 From: David Ledbury Organization: The Foundation for Green Eggs & Ham X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no CC: mne2@cableol.co.uk Subject: Re: Various SAM hardware for sale. References: <352EDDF6.7BCA@postmaster.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 607 Lines: 21 David Ledbury wrote: > > I've a few odds of ends of hardware to offload to any SAM enthusiasts > round here.... > > External Disk/Printer Interface > Internal SAM Drive (Genuine model!!) > Blue Alpha Sampler Sorry ... sold the sampler now! > > I'm after a realistic price for them. If you're interested - call > Malcolm Mackenzie on 061 7970651. Perhaps you can pass the ATOM > queries to him directly at the same time?!! > > David In addition to the above - I forgot I've a spare copy of the Techy manual. If anyone would like to offer me a fair price... then see the above! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 20 01:54:52 1998 Message-ID: <353B0CB4.6AFD3825@lhutz.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 01:52:05 -0700 From: James R Curry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Screw this for a game of soldiers References: <9804192153.AA04580@mars.cableol.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 398 Lines: 17 Neil Maynard wrote: > WHO GIVES A SHIT!!!! > Anyway if this list ever gets back to decent conversation ( VERY > Doubtfull!!) then would someone please let me know and I'll re-join - > till then bye! > It's not the arguments themselves that annoy me that much. They can sometimes be amusing. It's when the chase away some of the very few users we have remaining. Nice going, guys. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 20 11:02:34 1998 From: Matthew Craven Organization: UMIST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:59:20 BST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Screw this for a game of soldiers In-reply-to: <9804192153.AA04580@mars.cableol.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.52) Message-ID: <43F63B1149@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1724 Lines: 42 Dear People, > This list has once again turned into Bob/Samsboss/Bill Ritman > disagreeing with evertone and ...... oh who gives a shit - i'm > off!!! > I pay to recieve this crap so no more - I think i'll join a mailing > list where there is some actual usefull news/e-mail's on it. Correct - this list has gradually degenerated into a load of mindless crap, arguing between people with technical knowledge and people who haven't the faintest idea what they are talking about! The main point is that this arguing is getting to be so flipping tedious, so juvenile, that greeting me this morning I found 93 messages from the sam users mailing list completely full of rubbish and not a meaningful discussion in sight. Bob - can you tell me exactly what your prorities are? Everything on this list that your involved in it seems, takes way way way too long, as we all get bogged down in a mire of petty argument and procrastination. > Bob grow up - get rid of these stupid aliases or if you people > (Samsboss/Bill) are real then give someone your phone number! Its not > that bloody difficult!! and also end this stupid bloody fued with > Persona/DL. Once again it is you who is harming the Sam Scene - just > grow up! Oh Bollocks to it, why do I even bother Yes - what is it with all the stupid aliases - are they really all the people you can get to agree with you (due to the content of this mailling list over the past few months)? > Anyway if this list ever gets back to decent conversation ( VERY > Doubtfull!!) then would someone please let me know and I'll re-join - > till then bye! That might be quite a while. This mailing list is going downhill with go-faster stripes on. MJC. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 20 13:35:34 1998 From: Maria Rookyard To: SAM Users Mailing List Subject: Here we go again Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 13:24:30 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 292 Lines: 17 You can certainly tell the Easter holidays are over can't you. Oh well, at least it gives me plenty of chance to make sure my delete key's working properly. HTH! Maria. ======================== Minds are like parachutes they only work when they're open ======================== From imc Mon Apr 20 14:29:56 1998 Subject: Re: Wahoo! I'm famous! :) In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980419151600.006b5ed4@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> from Simon Cooke at "Apr 19, 98 03:16:00 pm" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 14:29:56 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 470 Lines: 14 On Sun, 19 Apr 1998 15:16:00 -0400, Simon Cooke said: > Take a peek: > http://www.msnbc.com/news/159191.asp A couple of lines of the formatted output from lynx: “It sounds like he’s proposing a way to get at them easily.…We have not considered that before.” Yack. These character numbers are not defined. Whoever put them in should be shot. Also, why did I have to wait ages to download 20K of HTML just for a two page article? imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 20 14:41:57 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:25:07 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Screw this for a game of soldiers Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1198 Lines: 39 In a message dated 19/04/98 21:56:08, you write: >WHO GIVES A SHIT!!!! > >This list has once again turned into Bob/Samsboss/Bill Ritman >disagreeing with evertone and ...... oh who gives a shit - i'm >off!!! > >I pay to recieve this crap so no more - I think i'll join a mailing >list where there is some actual usefull news/e-mail's on it. > >Bob grow up - get rid of these stupid aliases I have no 'aliases' I'm Bob, always have been, always will be. >or if you people >(Samsboss/Bill) are real then give someone your phone number! Its not >that bloody difficult!! I agree, its not that difficult. But I would ask "Why should they" they are entitled to their privacy as much as the next man. >and also end this stupid bloody fued with >Persona/DL. Once again it is you who is harming the Sam Scene - just >grow up! Oh Bollocks to it, why do I even bother I've said before, I'm no longer commenting on this list on something that is my business and not anyone elses. > >Anyway if this list ever gets back to decent conversation ( VERY >Doubtfull!!) then would someone please let me know and I'll re-join - >till then bye! > >Neil Maynard >Pissed off Sam Coupe owner -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 20 14:41:57 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:25:10 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Screw this for a game of soldiers Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1278 Lines: 38 In a message dated 20/04/98 10:00:27, you write: >Dear People, [snip] >Bob - can you tell me exactly what your prorities are? Everything on >this list that your involved in it seems, takes way way way too long, >as we all get bogged down in a mire of petty argument and >procrastination. Yes. Simple. First. To learn more about how the ROM and MasterDOS work so that.. Second. Patches for bugs in the ROM (that are already in MasterDOS and MasterBasic) can be used to make a bug-free ROM. At the same time fix things so that a proper Hard Drive operating system can be written. Third. On this new, more stable and expandable platform, develop a version of C for SAM that can be used for future development of software. Fouth. Start development of hardware expansions for SAM, including at some point a second processor. > [snip] > >Yes - what is it with all the stupid aliases - are they really all >the people you can get to agree with you (due to the content of this >mailling list over the past few months)? No, Samsboss and Bill are not the only people that agree with me. [snip] > >This mailing list is going downhill with go-faster stripes on. The get people to stop stupid arguments and get on with doing something for once in their lives. > >MJC. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 20 15:04:33 1998 Message-Id: From: Dan Doore Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 14:56:35 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: RE: Wahoo! I'm famous! :) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /310000000/310102093/310102123/310460310/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 101" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 402 Lines: 18 > Yack. These character numbers are not defined. Whoever put them in > should be shot. Also, why did I have to wait ages to download 20K of > HTML just for a two page article? Welcome to the world of Microsoft :-) It's the same as the HTML that Word97 produces - I wouldn't wipe my feet on it. Dan. Work: dan@bacg.com Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 20 16:25:48 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 16:14:02 +0100 To: "Sam users' mailing list" From: Andrew Collier Subject: Something constructive! X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 663 Lines: 17 Scanned photos from the most recent Gloucester show are now online at: http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/sam/showpics98/ including a brand new caption competition! Andrew --- +-----------------+----------------------------+--------------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | " | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk | Get your kicks | +-----------------+----------------------------+ on 8.124038405 | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | " | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | anon | +----------------------------------------------+--------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 20 17:00:05 1998 Message-Id: From: Dan Doore Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 16:54:26 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: RE: Something constructive! MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /310000000/310102093/310102123/310460310/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 101" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 415 Lines: 15 > Scanned photos from the most recent Gloucester show are now online at: Scary, it's like being cyber-stalked..... Caption Compo: 1. Dan - "What do you mean you haven't had any lunch?" 2. Allen wins the burping competition with a hearty "BOLLOCKS" 3. Tim - "I'm not impressed with your Jean-Luc Picard Karate style." Dan. Work: dan@bacg.com Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 20 21:07:04 1998 Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:08:55 -0400 From: Gordon Wallis <101762.2062@compuserve.com> Subject: Wish Lists To: "INTERNET:sam-users@nvg.unit.no" Message-ID: <199804201509_MC2-3A74-1190@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 546 Lines: 15 Out of idle curiosity (and I do mean idle - I probably won't do anything with the information), howzabout the few people that still subscribe to this mailing list send in their wish list of games (or anything else, really) that they'd like to see on the Sam. Being a magnanimous sorta chap I would (honestly) like to hear from anyone on this subject, though anyone mentioning 'Kaboom' will be ignored ;-P For starters, how about... SOFTWARE Target Renegade (cough, cough) Sphera 2 (!) pseudo 3D driving game Sandman's Shadow (choke, splutter) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 20 21:07:17 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: POSTMASTER From: Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <802565EC.006E1285.00@uks.postmaster.co.uk> Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 21:02:19 +0100 Subject: Re: Wish Lists Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 766 Lines: 29 | Out of idle curiosity (and I do mean idle - I probably won't do anything | with the information), howzabout the few people that still subscribe to | this mailing list send in their wish list of games (or anything else, | really) that they'd like to see on the Sam. | | Being a magnanimous sorta chap I would (honestly) like to hear from anyone | on this subject, though anyone mentioning 'Kaboom' will be ignored ;-P | | For starters, how about... | | SOFTWARE | Target Renegade (cough, cough) | Sphera 2 (!) Yes please, like the first. | pseudo 3D driving game | Sandman's Shadow (choke, splutter) -- Samsboss - The One And Only. Accept No Others. ___________________________________ To sign up for a free email account, visit http://www.postmaster.co.uk. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 20 21:58:50 1998 From: PGLOVER43 Message-ID: <9853e8b5.353bb612@aol.com> Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 16:54:41 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Wish Lists Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 168 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 318 Lines: 12 Games that may be suitable for the SAM treatment: Sentinel, Tau Ceti (Souped-up version of the Speccy 128k one) Fourth Protocol. Academy (More Tau Ceti gaming) Starglider (As Tau Ceti comments) (If anyone knows of SAM-runnable 128k Spectrum versions of Tau Ceti or Starglider, I'd like to hear more!) - Phil Glover From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 20 22:19:49 1998 Message-Id: <002a01bd6ca1$8eeeefc0$2914a8c2@sparky> From: Gavin Smith To: sam-users Subject: Re: Wish Lists Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 22:16:15 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 988 Lines: 21 -----Original Message----- From: Gordon Wallis <101762.2062@compuserve.com> > Out of idle curiosity (and I do mean idle - I probably won't do anything > with the information), howzabout the few people that still subscribe to > this mailing list send in their wish list of games (or anything else, > really) that they'd like to see on the Sam. A game I've always wanted to see on the Sam is Civilization (or even Civ 2!). Apparently someone ported it to the Speccy, or at least a Russian Speccy clone, but I've yet to find it (if anyone does know where I can get a hold of it, please let me know, my life's dreams would finally be complete ;) Failing that, Sim City would be nice, or a totally accurate version of Football Manager 1 would rock :) Or what about Grand Theft Auto! Similar games were done on the Speccy! Or how about a version of Rock Star Ate My Hamster that is play tested a little better ;) Or what about 3D Deathchase! (I'll stop now before I start dribbling). Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 20 22:24:55 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980420171801.006b7484@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 17:18:01 -0400 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Wish Lists In-Reply-To: <199804201509_MC2-3A74-1190@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 823 Lines: 22 At 03:08 PM 4/20/98 -0400, you wrote: >Out of idle curiosity (and I do mean idle - I probably won't do anything >with the information), howzabout the few people that still subscribe to >this mailing list send in their wish list of games (or anything else, >really) that they'd like to see on the Sam. > >Being a magnanimous sorta chap I would (honestly) like to hear from anyone >on this subject, though anyone mentioning 'Kaboom' will be ignored ;-P Well, before anyone else sticks the knife in... DEMOS: Statues of Ice ;) Simon +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "You know... you can tell someone's vain when they quote themselves | | in their own .sig file..." -- Simon Cooke | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 20 23:41:12 1998 Message-Id: <199804202238.XAA31628@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Paul Walker Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 23:38:18 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Screw this for a game of soldiers In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 427 Lines: 12 > I've said before, I'm no longer commenting on this list on something that is > my business and not anyone elses. When companies stay away from a convention because of your actions, don't you think that *makes* it other peoples business? Paul -- ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ---- FidoNet: 2:254/60.11 2:442/103.13 ---> http://www.trak-one.co.uk/foti <--- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 21 12:26:49 1998 From: Matthew Craven Organization: UMIST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:26:08 BST Subject: Re: Wish Lists X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.31 Message-ID: <5B68A97B59@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 188 Lines: 12 My wish list: Rock star ate my hamster - definitely, but actually make the game have a point to it this time. Virtua Racing Daytona Grand Prix 2 (I like driving games, alright?) MJC. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 21 12:26:50 1998 From: Matthew Craven Organization: UMIST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:34:45 BST Subject: Reply to Bob's version of ....soldiers....... X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.31 Message-ID: <5B8DB708DD@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 708 Lines: 17 > First. To learn more about how the ROM and MasterDOS work so that.. > Second. Patches for bugs in the ROM (that are already in MasterDOS and > MasterBasic) can be used to make a bug-free ROM. At the same time fix things > so that a proper Hard Drive operating system can be written. > Third. On this new, more stable and expandable platform, develop a version of > C for SAM that can be used for future development of software. > Fouth. Start development of hardware expansions for SAM, including at some > point a second processor. OK - that's what I was looking for. > The get people to stop stupid arguments and get on with doing something for > once in their lives. Easier said than done :) MJC. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 21 12:47:28 1998 Message-ID: <353B94BC.6F6C@postmaster.co.uk> Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 11:32:28 -0700 From: David Ledbury Organization: The Foundation for Green Eggs & Ham X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Reply to Bob's version of ....soldiers....... References: <5B8DB708DD@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 734 Lines: 20 Matthew Craven wrote: > > > First. To learn more about how the ROM and MasterDOS work so that.. > > Second. Patches for bugs in the ROM (that are already in MasterDOS and > > MasterBasic) can be used to make a bug-free ROM. At the same time fix things > > so that a proper Hard Drive operating system can be written. And B-DOS is a .... ? BTW Edwin, thanx for 1.4a Edwin :) > > Third. On this new, more stable and expandable platform, develop a version of > > C for SAM that can be used for future development of software. And hopefully a little more powerful than Small C. > > Fouth. Start development of hardware expansions for SAM, including at some > > point a second processor. Which is a great idea. IF it ever happens. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 21 13:30:12 1998 From: Kevin Cooper Organization: NetConnect LITE User Date: 21 Apr 98 13:20:37 +0000 Subject: Hello Message-Id: <353C9D25.MD-0.196.kev@kc.u-net.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: MicroDot-II/AmigaOS 0.196 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 166 Lines: 5 Just a quick hello to you all to say I've joined the list but I'm just lurking... I wouldn't want to get involved in any of your arguments now would I? :^P Kevin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 21 14:56:19 1998 Message-Id: <199804211308.PAA05493@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: Reply to Bob's version of ....soldiers....... Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 15:07:07 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 974 Lines: 32 ---------- > Van: David Ledbury > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Onderwerp: Re: Reply to Bob's version of ....soldiers....... > Datum: Monday, April 20, 1998 8:32 > > Matthew Craven wrote: > > > > > First. To learn more about how the ROM and MasterDOS work so that.. > > > Second. Patches for bugs in the ROM (that are already in MasterDOS and > > > MasterBasic) can be used to make a bug-free ROM. At the same time fix things > > > so that a proper Hard Drive operating system can be written. > > And B-DOS is a .... ? Shareware product..? And mind you seeing in action of the Hard-disk of Edwin it looks very good and very fast. Still reminds me that I have spend 60 quid on a product that is working in such a way that I haven't been using it for the last one and half year. > BTW Edwin, thanx for 1.4a Edwin :) -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] The borderline Express will terminate at this station :) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 21 14:56:21 1998 Message-Id: <199804211312.PAA06298@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: Wish Lists Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 15:11:05 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 461 Lines: 16 > Van: Gordon Wallis <101762.2062@compuserve.com> > Aan: INTERNET:sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Onderwerp: Wish Lists > Datum: Monday, April 20, 1998 9:08 > pseudo 3D driving game Edwin is working on something like that. A good working 3d-vectors routine that could serve as a game-engine for games like Elite or Starglider (Missile launched). -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] The borderline Express will terminate at this station :) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 21 14:56:22 1998 From: "E.P.R.P. Blink" Organization: Hanzehogeschool Groningen To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 15:32:18 MET Subject: Re: Wish Lists X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <8A6C0AF5561@mail1.pl.hanze.nl> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 370 Lines: 16 pseudo 3D driving game Robert van der Veeke said: > Edwin is working on something like that. Yup actually two: 3D off road racer like game.(isometric 3D style) 3D FREESCAPE style game (like the speccy games Driller/DarkSide) As I'm still haven't made up my mind yet. I'm working on both at the moment. They are both a challenge to make. Edwin Blink From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 21 15:33:16 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <55cd068d.353ca888@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:09:11 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Screw this for a game of soldiers Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 325 Lines: 17 In a message dated 20/04/98 22:40:00, you write: > >> I've said before, I'm no longer commenting on this list on something that >is >> my business and not anyone elses. > >When companies stay away from a convention because of your actions, >don't you think that *makes* it other peoples business? No. > > >Paul -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 21 18:23:03 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <002565ED.00633CBB.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 18:05:14 +0000 Subject: Re: Wish Lists Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 189 Lines: 10 Robert said: >A good working 3d-vectors routine that could serve as a game-engine for >games like Elite or Starglider (Missile launched). Isn't Stratosphere's one good enough? Justin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 21 19:27:48 1998 Message-Id: <001701bd6d4f$23e38840$0414a8c2@sparky> From: Gavin Smith To: sam-users Subject: Re: Hello Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 18:58:43 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 360 Lines: 14 -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Cooper >Just a quick hello to you all to say I've joined the list but I'm just >lurking... I wouldn't want to get involved in any of your arguments >now would I? :^P > >Kevin. So which is the more powerful of your computers? Your Amiga or your Sam? *evil grin* (Just kidding, erm sort of). Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 21 19:27:48 1998 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 14:04:03 -0400 From: Gordon Wallis <101762.2062@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Wish Lists To: "INTERNET:sam-users@nvg.unit.no" Message-ID: <199804211404_MC2-3A99-450E@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 681 Lines: 26 Message text written by INTERNET:sam-users@nvg.unit.no >>Being a magnanimous sorta chap I would (honestly) like to hear from anyone >>on this subject, though anyone mentioning 'Kaboom' will be ignored ;-P > >Well, before anyone else sticks the knife in... > >DEMOS: > >Statues of Ice > >;) > >Simon< Ah, yes, I knew I'd forgotten something. You're disqualified. (joke) Getting back to the topic, though how about (drum roll, please) SAMagotchi Commando (or similar) Gauntlet A new game featuring that 'lovable' Sam robot ("let's make him the new 'Horace' or 'Monty' or 'Miner Willy'," said Mr. Retro) Any game by Ultimate Zelda-style RPG (or maybe an isometric 3D type o'thing) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 21 21:14:42 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980421160001.006bc9d0@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 16:00:01 -0400 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Reply to Bob's version of ....soldiers....... In-Reply-To: <199804211308.PAA05493@mailserv.caiw.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 422 Lines: 10 At 03:07 PM 4/21/98 +0200, you wrote: >> And B-DOS is a .... ? Piece of software which has just been put in incoming on NVG? Simon +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "You know... you can tell someone's vain when they quote themselves | | in their own .sig file..." -- Simon Cooke | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 21 22:46:10 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199804211404_MC2-3A99-450E@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 22:26:06 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Wish Lists X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 669 Lines: 18 At 7:04 pm +0100 21/4/98, Gordon Wallis wrote: >Any game by Ultimate Unfortunately, the owning company 'RARE' are quite litigious. (If I'm wrong, let them sue...) Andrew --- +-----------------+----------------------------+--------------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | " | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk | Get your kicks | +-----------------+----------------------------+ on 8.124038405 | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | " | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | anon | +----------------------------------------------+--------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 22 00:26:38 1998 Message-Id: <199804212317.AAA07857@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Paul Walker Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 00:17:29 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Screw this for a game of soldiers In-reply-to: <55cd068d.353ca888@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 382 Lines: 11 > >When companies stay away from a convention because of your actions, > >don't you think that *makes* it other peoples business? > No. In that case, all I can say is your attitude truly stinks. Paul -- ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ---- FidoNet: 2:254/60.11 2:442/103.13 ---> http://www.trak-one.co.uk/foti <--- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 22 00:47:57 1998 Message-Id: <001001bd6d7f$249412c0$3814a8c2@sparky> From: Gavin Smith To: sam-users Subject: Re: Wish Lists Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 00:42:24 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 652 Lines: 28 -----Original Message----- From: Gordon Wallis <101762.2062@compuserve.com> >Getting back to the topic, though how about (drum roll, please) > >>SAMagotchi Nah, those virtual pet things are crap when the machine running them is switched off (as opposed to the little keyring ones, and even then...) >>Commando (or similar) One of my favourite games.. >>A new game featuring that 'lovable' Sam robot ("let's make him the new >>'Horace' or 'Monty' or 'Miner Willy'," said Mr. Retro) Yuck :) >>Zelda-style RPG (or maybe an isometric 3D type o'thing) Nice idea, don't think we have anything too similar on the Sam. This one gets my vote. Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 22 08:27:41 1998 From: Dean Liversidge To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 08:22:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Screw this for a game of soldiers In-reply-to: <199804212317.AAA07857@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> References: <55cd068d.353ca888@aol.com> Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 634 Lines: 22 > From: "Paul Walker" > > >When companies stay away from a convention because of your actions, > > >don't you think that *makes* it other peoples business? > > No. > > In that case, all I can say is your attitude truly stinks. Come on Paul, did you /realy/ expect anything else, i know i didn't ! I've come to the conclusion, that it's better not to get too drawn in to anything on this list anymore, and just do somthing that you want to do. The more people reply to such crap, the more people get pissed of with this mailing list, Coventry rings a bell here ........ -- Dean Liversidge From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 22 20:48:13 1998 From: Kevin Cooper Organization: NetConnect LITE User Date: 22 Apr 98 02:19:11 +0000 Subject: Re: Hello Message-Id: <353D539F.MD-0.196.kev@kc.u-net.com> In-Reply-To: <001701bd6d4f$23e38840$0414a8c2@sparky> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: MicroDot-II/AmigaOS 0.196 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1179 Lines: 29 Hello Gavin, > So which is the more powerful of your computers? Your Amiga or your Sam? > *evil grin* (Just kidding, erm sort of). Sorry but I've got to say it's the Amiga! The Sam is sort of half dead, stuck there in the corner, waiting for the day that I blow the cobwebs away, put a new plug on the power supply and switch it on. Ah yes, I can hardly wait until once again I have to retune my telly every half an hour to /see/ the picture and when inserting a disk means it will tell me there is nothing in the drive... :) But then without those little problems, my Sam wouldn't be what it is: slightly annoying at times, sore on the hand when you whack it one, but so much hard work it's actually a LOT of fun to use! I love the machine, and considering it's 8 1/2 yrs old, I don't think it's doing too badly. It's nice to see so many old familiar names round here, Dave Ledbury and Phil Glover spring to mind, and i'ts nice to be able to say hello to you all again, even if I do seem to have walked in in the middle of what seems to be a civil war. That reminds me... who IS this Samsboss person, or is that something everyone wants to know? Bye for now, Kevin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 22 22:25:23 1998 Message-Id: <001401bd6e34$a420a700$1314a8c2@sparky> From: Gavin Smith To: sam-users Subject: Re: Hello Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 22:21:37 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1349 Lines: 38 -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Cooper >it on. Ah yes, I can hardly wait until once again I have to retune my telly >every half an hour to /see/ the picture JUST every half hour?! Lucky you! :) >It's nice to see so many old familiar names round here, Dave Ledbury and >Phil Glover spring to mind, and i'ts nice to be able to say hello to you all >again, even if I do seem to have walked in in the middle of what seems to be >a civil war. This is quite calm compared to what it's often like ;) >That reminds me... who IS this Samsboss person, or is that something >everyone wants to know? A certain Bob Brenchley saw that he didn't enjoy the support of (as far as I can remember) ANYONE on this list, on practically any issue, topic, or debate, so he invented two clones to back his every word up. Which is mature. He also uses these clones to send private e-mail to people, most of which are purely abusive. I have some to prove it. There. I've said what everybody else has been beating around the bush to say for months, if not years. Just don't let it put you off the list Kevin. :) (BTW - how long have you had the Sam? Do you know about the best game ever on Sam? Stratosphere? :) Say "I'm interested" and the multi-talented Colin Piggot (the author) will do his sales pitch :) (It's well worth it) Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 22 23:37:37 1998 Message-Id: <199804222233.XAA04929@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Paul Walker Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 23:33:35 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Screw this for a game of soldiers References: <199804212317.AAA07857@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 553 Lines: 17 > Come on Paul, did you /realy/ expect anything else, i know i didn't ! I don't know. I had hoped that maybe, just maybe, Bob would be reasonable. I guess not. Who cares. :/ > The more people reply to such crap, the more people get pissed of > with this mailing list, Now that rings a bell. No idea why I'm still on here at the moment, to be perfectly honest. Paul -- ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ---- FidoNet: 2:254/60.11 2:442/103.13 ---> http://www.trak-one.co.uk/foti <--- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 23 05:52:19 1998 Message-ID: <353F38BE.602E6C30@lhutz.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 05:49:04 -0700 From: James R Curry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Hello References: <353D539F.MD-0.196.kev@kc.u-net.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 184 Lines: 6 > That reminds me... who IS this Samsboss person, or is that something > everyone wants to know? Nope, it's something *no-one* wants to know or could care less about anymore... :-) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 23 17:06:03 1998 From: Kevin Cooper Organization: NetConnect LITE User Date: 23 Apr 98 15:08:10 +0000 Subject: Re: Hello Message-Id: <353F595A.MD-0.196.kev@kc.u-net.com> In-Reply-To: <001401bd6e34$a420a700$1314a8c2@sparky> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: MicroDot-II/AmigaOS 0.196 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1070 Lines: 33 Hello Gavin, > JUST every half hour?! Lucky you! :) :) > A certain Bob Brenchley saw that he didn't enjoy the support of (as far as I > can remember) ANYONE on this list, on practically any issue, topic, or [SNIP] Ah, so tha'ts who it is. I'll just sit here at the back, on this grey and dusty chair, and watch you all take part in this civil war. :) > (BTW - how long have you had the Sam? Do you know about the best game ever > on Sam? Stratosphere? :) Say "I'm interested" and the multi-talented Colin > Piggot (the author) will do his sales pitch :) (It's well worth it) I've had my Sam since December 1989 - yes I'm up there with the long standing owners, Gavin! I wasn't even a teenager then. These days I tend to pull it out now and again and have a go with it, but once it starts telling me there isn't a disk in the drive when I've only just inserted it I tend to switch it off! One thing my Sam hardly ever did though, and that is crash. I can't remember it crashing nearly as many times as this Amiga has in the short time I've had it. Kevin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 23 17:11:56 1998 From: Matthew Craven Organization: Umist To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:52:14 BST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Wish Lists In-reply-to: <001001bd6d7f$249412c0$3814a8c2@sparky> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.52) Message-ID: <19B22403E5@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 279 Lines: 9 > >>A new game featuring that 'lovable' Sam robot ("let's make him the new > >>'Horace' or 'Monty' or 'Miner Willy'," said Mr. Retro) > > Yuck :) What's wrong with Monty? It was one of the best games I ever played! It would have to be better than SAM strikes out though! MJC. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 23 19:04:56 1998 Message-Id: <000801bd6ee1$dcfe6b40$0d14a8c2@sparky> From: Gavin Smith To: sam-users Subject: Re: Wish Lists Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 19:01:36 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 716 Lines: 18 From: Matthew Craven >> >>A new game featuring that 'lovable' Sam robot ("let's make him the new >> >>'Horace' or 'Monty' or 'Miner Willy'," said Mr. Retro) >> >> Yuck :) > > What's wrong with Monty? It was one of the best games I ever played! > It would have to be better than SAM strikes out though! Oh, there's nothing wrong with Monty! I love the series (and I can play the 128k versions on my Sam, cos they are on Blitz issues - at least I think they are 128k versions, I can't be arsed checking, so don't flame me :) - but the idea of another attempt at cute Sam robot character in a game, is bad :) (And by the way, Manic Miner is better than any of the Monty games) :P Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 23 19:11:40 1998 Message-Id: <001101bd6ee2$b198fe60$0d14a8c2@sparky> From: Gavin Smith To: sam-users Subject: Re: Hello Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 19:07:33 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 924 Lines: 28 From: Kevin Cooper >I've had my Sam since December 1989 - yes I'm up there with the long >standing owners, Gavin! I wasn't even a teenager then. Nice one :) So, what's your favourite game/most used application etc? :) >These days I tend to pull it out now and again and have a go with it, but Ooooooooo-er! (sorry, couldn't resist) >once it starts telling me there isn't a disk in the drive when I've only >just inserted it I tend to switch it off! Can't say I've come across this problem, but I'm sure the talented bods on this list will know the answer (someone help him you lazy gits!) >One thing my Sam hardly ever did though, and that is crash. I can't >remember it crashing nearly as many times as this Amiga has in the short >time I've had it. Blimey. I think my Sam spends half its time crashing, especially when doing a bit of BASIC programming (especially when I use renum). Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 23 19:44:35 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001101bd6ee2$b198fe60$0d14a8c2@sparky> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 19:41:48 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Hello X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1132 Lines: 25 At 7:07 pm +0100 23/4/98, Gavin Smith wrote: >>once it starts telling me there isn't a disk in the drive when I've only >>just inserted it I tend to switch it off! > >Can't say I've come across this problem, but I'm sure the talented bods on >this list will know the answer (someone help him you lazy gits!) Um, sounds like it's probably a hardware problem actually....? Try booting from another disk - that way you can check your DOS hasn't magically been corruptted. Unless you mean it doesn't boot at all, in which case it might help to hold the reset button down for at least about two seconds when you reset the machine. Andrew --- +-----------------+----------------------------+--------------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | " | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk | Get your kicks | +-----------------+----------------------------+ on 8.124038405 | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | " | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | anon | +----------------------------------------------+--------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 23 21:12:48 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980423160542.006bef20@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:05:42 -0400 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Hello In-Reply-To: References: <001101bd6ee2$b198fe60$0d14a8c2@sparky> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 855 Lines: 18 At 07:41 PM 4/23/98 +0100, you wrote: >Um, sounds like it's probably a hardware problem actually....? Try booting >from another disk - that way you can check your DOS hasn't magically been >corruptted. Unless you mean it doesn't boot at all, in which case it might >help to hold the reset button down for at least about two seconds when you >reset the machine. Edwin! Sounds like another contender for your absolutely-useless-there's-no-need-for-it-whatsoever-I've-had-no-probs-so-I' m-alright-Jack Disk protector. Simon ps. That was a paraphrased quote from Bob. +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "You know... you can tell someone's vain when they quote themselves | | in their own .sig file..." -- Simon Cooke | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 23 21:51:52 1998 From: Matthew Craven Organization: Umist To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:48:55 BST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Hello In-reply-to: <001101bd6ee2$b198fe60$0d14a8c2@sparky> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.52) Message-ID: <1E616D7950@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 556 Lines: 13 > >once it starts telling me there isn't a disk in the drive when I've only > >just inserted it I tend to switch it off! > > Can't say I've come across this problem, but I'm sure the talented bods on > this list will know the answer (someone help him you lazy gits!) I have exactly the same problem with my PC, and it didn't used to have that problem - maybe the answer is that it is getting old. Maybe the answer is the same for the SAM - the machine is pretty old, but still keeping together, a legacy it inherited from the Speccy very well. MJC. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 23 21:56:24 1998 From: Matthew Craven Organization: Umist To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:53:50 BST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Wish Lists In-reply-to: <000801bd6ee1$dcfe6b40$0d14a8c2@sparky> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.52) Message-ID: <1E769D7360@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 783 Lines: 18 > Oh, there's nothing wrong with Monty! I love the series (and I can play the > 128k versions on my Sam, cos they are on Blitz issues - at least I think > they are 128k versions, I can't be arsed checking, so don't flame me :) - > but the idea of another attempt at cute Sam robot character in a game, is > bad :) (And by the way, Manic Miner is better than any of the Monty games) > :P Yes, I thought that the SAM strikes out game was not particularly good, but it was a hell of a lot better than I could do at the time :) That other game on the disk - something to do with spaceballs (no YS-style pun here!) wasn't much good either. Oh well. How about Impossamole on the SAM? I reckon the programmers would have to improve it over the original a hell of a lot though? MJC. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 23 22:31:32 1998 From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: hack page idea Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:27:52 GMT Message-ID: <3540adb5.3859598@mail.enterprise.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 905 Lines: 27 Hi Sam-Users How about SAM specific hack page on the net? For starters, a list of pokes and tricks to disable protection on some of the old SAM games - so that legitimate owners of games can play the old stuff through SIM Coupe. Has anyone got any documented hacks? Any other list of interesting effects could go on too. I haven't looked around lately, but has anyone ever put any techie info on their pages (beside specifications). What about lists of SVARs and DVARs, etc. I don't care who's page they goes on, but I'll put them on mine if no- one else is interested. The next three issues (7-9) of the SAM Adventure club disks will probably make their way to my page some time over the coming weekend. I'll be looking at things where the copyright may be dodgy (a few games), and, if I have to, I'll 'erase' them. Bye, _ |_)ave (/\)hitmore http://homepages.enterprise.net/davewhitmore/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 23 22:36:32 1998 From: Matthew Craven Organization: Umist To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 22:33:12 BST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: hack page idea In-reply-to: <3540adb5.3859598@mail.enterprise.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.52) Message-ID: <1F1E76162D@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 188 Lines: 11 Dave, > How about SAM specific hack page on the net? What an excellent idea. > What about lists of SVARs and DVARs, etc. Would Bob mind about that? But SVARS, DVARS are cool. MJC. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 23 22:36:32 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <4fdc5647.353fb3cd@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 17:33:56 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Hello Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1192 Lines: 30 In a message dated 22/04/98 21:23:51, you write: >? > > >A certain Bob Brenchley saw that he didn't enjoy the support of (as far as I >can remember) ANYONE on this list, on practically any issue, topic, or >debate, so he invented two clones to back his every word up. Which is >mature. He also uses these clones to send private e-mail to people, most of >which are purely abusive. I have some to prove it. There. I've said what >everybody else has been beating around the bush to say for months, if not >years. Just don't let it put you off the list Kevin. :) > >(BTW - how long have you had the Sam? Do you know about the best game ever >on Sam? Stratosphere? :) Say "I'm interested" and the multi-talented Colin >Piggot (the author) will do his sales pitch :) (It's well worth it) > >Gavin Lies, more lies, and a truth - you excel yourself today. Keep this up and it will be back to the kill-file for you. Ignore him Kevin, he has this delusion and doesn't seem to get treatment for it. He can't accept that other people have a greater understanding of the real world in which the SAM exists than he and a few of his friends. Keep reading Kevin and you will see what I mean. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 23 22:56:21 1998 Message-Id: <199804232153.XAA26628@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: Hello Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 23:52:30 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1004 Lines: 31 > Van: BrenchleyR > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Onderwerp: Re: Hello > Datum: Thursday, April 23, 1998 11:33 > >Gavin > > Lies, more lies, and a truth - you excel yourself today. Keep this up and it > will be back to the kill-file for you. Why should i believe you Bob? Where there is smoke there is fire. > Ignore him Kevin, he has this delusion and doesn't seem to get treatment for > it. He can't accept that other people have a greater understanding of the real > world in which the SAM exists than he and a few of his friends. Yeah just ignore him, that is really profesional. That has really helped the Sam world forward this last year. You and your two minions (I won't say they are the same person but i still have my doubts about it). yuk. > Keep reading Kevin and you will see what I mean. Goodnight "want to be like mr. Gates" -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Mind you if we call you "Bruce", it might otherwise cause some confusion. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 23 23:07:41 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980423180016.006c0ffc@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:00:16 -0400 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: hack page idea In-Reply-To: <3540adb5.3859598@mail.enterprise.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1387 Lines: 31 At 09:27 PM 4/23/98 GMT, you wrote: >Hi Sam-Users > >How about SAM specific hack page on the net? > >For starters, a list of pokes and tricks to disable protection on some >of the old SAM games - so that legitimate owners of games can play the >old stuff through SIM Coupe. Has anyone got any documented hacks? > >Any other list of interesting effects could go on too. I haven't >looked around lately, but has anyone ever put any techie info on their >pages (beside specifications). What about lists of SVARs and DVARs, >etc. > >I don't care who's page they goes on, but I'll put them on mine if no- >one else is interested. > >The next three issues (7-9) of the SAM Adventure club disks will >probably make their way to my page some time over the coming weekend. >I'll be looking at things where the copyright may be dodgy (a few >games), and, if I have to, I'll 'erase' them. Well, provided that the copyright owners don't object (this'd be either Darren or Colin McD), then I'll put up the Parallax protection design info, and the source code for the copier if anyone wants to see it. Simon +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "You know... you can tell someone's vain when they quote themselves | | in their own .sig file..." -- Simon Cooke | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 24 00:21:46 1998 Message-Id: <199804232319.AAA23212@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Paul Walker Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 00:19:08 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Hello In-reply-to: <4fdc5647.353fb3cd@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1096 Lines: 23 > Lies, more lies, and a truth - you excel yourself today. Keep this up and it > will be back to the kill-file for you. > Ignore him Kevin, he has this delusion and doesn't seem to get treatment for > it. He can't accept that other people have a greater understanding of the real Bob, get a grip. I am not in the best of moods at the moment anyway, and I don't want or need this. Stop writing junk to the list - you *don't* have a monopoly on living in the real world; in fact, if you continue to believe there's a large enough market for samson to make it worthwhile, I doubt you live in the real world at all. You also have considerably less experience in coding on SAM than some of the people you rubbish, not to mention less experience in mags than at least one person you dis'ed recently. Grow up, get some maturity, and accept that the world (even the SAM world) does *not* revolve around you. Paul -- ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ---- FidoNet: 2:254/60.11 2:442/103.13 ---> http://www.trak-one.co.uk/foti <--- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 24 00:32:28 1998 From: Kevin Cooper Organization: NetConnect LITE User Date: 23 Apr 98 23:46:08 +0000 Subject: Re: Hello Message-Id: <353FD2C0.MD-0.196.kev@kc.u-net.com> In-Reply-To: To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: MicroDot-II/AmigaOS 0.196 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1223 Lines: 25 Hello Andrew, > Um, sounds like it's probably a hardware problem actually....? Try booting > from another disk - that way you can check your DOS hasn't magically been > corruptted. Unless you mean it doesn't boot at all, in which case it might > help to hold the reset button down for at least about two seconds when you > reset the machine. What really happens is that I'll have the computer on and be fiddling about with disks and will maybe want to format a disk or copy something from the disk in drive 1. Up until that point, there would have been no problems, but suddenly when I tell it to do something with the disk in drive 1 it will tell me there isn't a disk in the drive, even though there is, or it will tell me some other weird error mesage that has nothing to do with anything, that it has just picked out of hat. ISTR once when I tried to format a disk it told me that there wasn't enough memory! ;)) Anyway, these problems don't bother me much anymore. I don't use it much now anyway, and this and all the other problems my very sick Sam has have been messed around with over many years by all the techy people I remember. It was even looked at more than once by Samco etc etc. Bye for now, Kev. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 24 00:32:28 1998 From: Kevin Cooper Organization: NetConnect LITE User Date: 23 Apr 98 23:54:09 +0000 Subject: Re: Hello Message-Id: <353FD4A1.MD-0.196.kev@kc.u-net.com> In-Reply-To: <4fdc5647.353fb3cd@aol.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: MicroDot-II/AmigaOS 0.196 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 686 Lines: 27 Hello Bob, Whoops I've just realised of course I'm starting all these with the person's name. I should be putting All really. Force of habit. > Ignore him Kevin, he has this delusion and doesn't seem to get treatment for > it. He can't accept that other people have a greater understanding of the real > world in which the SAM exists than he and a few of his friends. Mmmmm... > Keep reading Kevin and you will see what I mean. Only been here a few days and I'm already getting involved in the war. :) I think the name of this list should be changed, how about "Sam Arguers' List?" or "Sam War List". Hehe. This is Kevin in his best attempt to stay neutral! Cheers, Kev. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 24 00:32:29 1998 From: Kevin Cooper Organization: NetConnect LITE User Date: 23 Apr 98 23:35:55 +0000 Subject: Re: Hello Message-Id: <353FD05B.MD-0.196.kev@kc.u-net.com> In-Reply-To: <001101bd6ee2$b198fe60$0d14a8c2@sparky> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: MicroDot-II/AmigaOS 0.196 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1642 Lines: 41 Hello Gavin, > Nice one :) So, what's your favourite game/most used application etc? :) It's more a case of what WAS my most used application, as I hardly ever use it now - I'm here to reminisce more than anything! The answer to that would be Outwrite, the word processor. ISTR there was more than one version, I used the later (ie newest) version. Great WP it was, and I still think it is. The amount of hours I've spent tapping away on that program, writing long long letters to people I used to know... They were great days, really! > >These days I tend to pull it out now and again and have a go with it, but > Ooooooooo-er! (sorry, couldn't resist) Very YS! > >once it starts telling me there isn't a disk in the drive when I've only > >just inserted it I tend to switch it off! > Can't say I've come across this problem, but I'm sure the talented bods on > this list will know the answer (someone help him you lazy gits!) Well if they can, they'll beat just about everyone else who was around/is still around who I bleated about it to for years on end, who could never suggest anything. :) BTW, in case you lot have missed it. In the very back of one of this month's Amiga mags (CU Amiga or Amiga Format, not sure which) they have a bit about Sam. They bascially do a feature every month of old and dead/dying computers, and they have done Sam this time. Hey I hope I'm not stepping on anyone's toes here. Is this list supposed to be purely for talking about Sam software and the like - do you all mind me chattering on like this? Either way, it's a change to the normal bickering, isn't it? :^P Bye for now, Kev. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 24 00:32:30 1998 From: Kevin Cooper Organization: NetConnect LITE User Date: 23 Apr 98 23:49:07 +0000 Subject: Re: Hello Message-Id: <353FD373.MD-0.196.kev@kc.u-net.com> In-Reply-To: <1E616D7950@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: MicroDot-II/AmigaOS 0.196 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 437 Lines: 18 Hello Matthew, > I have exactly the same problem with my PC, and it didn't used to > have that problem - maybe the answer is that it is getting old. Maybe > the answer is the same for the SAM - the machine is pretty old, but These problems first started probably in about 1991 or 1992. :) It wasn't THAT old then! > still keeping together, a legacy it inherited from the Speccy very > well. Yep, indeed it did. Cheers, Kev. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 24 01:55:40 1998 Message-Id: <004e01bd6f1b$4b6ee1c0$1914a8c2@sparky> From: Gavin Smith To: sam-users Subject: Re: Hello Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 01:52:43 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 392 Lines: 16 >Ignore him Kevin, he has this delusion and doesn't seem to get treatment for >it. He can't accept that other people have a greater understanding of the real >world in which the SAM exists than he and a few of his friends. > >Keep reading Kevin and you will see what I mean. > >-- >Bob. Bob, I've collected enough stuff about you over the years to take you to court several times ;) Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 24 02:01:44 1998 Message-Id: <005901bd6f1c$27783a40$1914a8c2@sparky> From: Gavin Smith To: sam-users Subject: Re: Hello Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 01:58:52 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1284 Lines: 38 >The answer to that would be Outwrite, the word processor. ISTR there was >more than one version, I used the later (ie newest) version. Great WP it >was, and I still think it is. The amount of hours I've spent tapping away >on that program, writing long long letters to people I used to know... They >were great days, really! I've always been a Word Pro fan. Steve Nutting was one of the most friendly, helpful guys to run a Sam company, but it seems like he has given up on the Sam now. *sniff* (Anyone know otherwise?) >> >These days I tend to pull it out now and again and have a go with it, but >> Ooooooooo-er! (sorry, couldn't resist) > >Very YS! The best mag ever! Hurrah! (etc) You do of course remember Spec Tec Jr - in case you hadn't realised, he is on this list! Take a bow Simon! >Hey I hope I'm not stepping on anyone's toes here. Is this list supposed to >be purely for talking about Sam software and the like - do you all mind me >chattering on like this? Either way, it's a change to the normal bickering, >isn't it? :^P Nah, don't worry about it, we're all pretty friendly here, we don't mind (right lads, drag him out the back and finish him off!) [1] Gavin [1] Erm, not in a sexual sense, but in a erm gangster movie type sense. I'll shut up now. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 24 02:01:44 1998 Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 01:59:27 +0100 (BST) From: Dave Handley To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Hello In-Reply-To: <353FD05B.MD-0.196.kev@kc.u-net.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 707 Lines: 15 > Hey I hope I'm not stepping on anyone's toes here. Is this list supposed to > be purely for talking about Sam software and the like - do you all mind me > chattering on like this? Either way, it's a change to the normal bickering, > isn't it? :^P Errr, you're the only person who's written anything worth reading lately and its a refreshing change...keep up the good work! :) Dave ,---------------------------------------------------------, ,/ Dave Handley / ,/ Email - d.handley@lancaster.ac.uk /' / Visit - http://www.lancs.ac.uk/ug/handley/index.htm /' `---------------------------------------------------------' From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 24 02:49:26 1998 From: Kevin Cooper Organization: NetConnect LITE User Date: 24 Apr 98 02:41:05 +0000 Subject: Re: Hello Message-Id: <353FFBC1.MD-0.196.kev@kc.u-net.com> In-Reply-To: To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: MicroDot-II/AmigaOS 0.196 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 195 Lines: 11 Hello Dave, > Errr, you're the only person who's written anything worth reading lately > and its a refreshing change...keep up the good work! :) Right, cheers mate, I will do! Thanks, Kev. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 24 02:49:26 1998 From: Kevin Cooper Organization: NetConnect LITE User Date: 24 Apr 98 02:46:24 +0000 Subject: Re: Hello Message-Id: <353FFCFF.MD-0.196.kev@kc.u-net.com> In-Reply-To: <005901bd6f1c$27783a40$1914a8c2@sparky> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: MicroDot-II/AmigaOS 0.196 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 673 Lines: 21 Hello Gavin,, > I've always been a Word Pro fan. Steve Nutting was one of the most friendly, I'm having to really think back here, but tbh I can't seem to remember Word Pro at all! > The best mag ever! Hurrah! (etc) You do of course remember Spec Tec Jr - in > case you hadn't realised, he is on this list! Take a bow Simon! Personally I can't! I was only 12 when I got the Sam. That gives you an idea of how old I was when I was using a Spectrum and reading the magazines. But which Simon is this? > [1] Erm, not in a sexual sense, but in a erm gangster movie type sense. I'll > shut up now. Yeah, I know how your minds work round here - and I like it. :) Kev. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 24 08:19:17 1998 Message-Id: From: Dan Doore Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 8:16:06 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no, scooke@nessie.mcc.ac.uk Subject: RE: Hello MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /310000000/310102093/310102123/310460310/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 101" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 401 Lines: 17 > Edwin! Sounds like another contender for your > absolutely-useless-there's-no-need-for-it-whatsoever-I've-had-no-probs > -so-I'm-alright-Jack Disk protector. > > Simon > > ps. That was a paraphrased quote from Bob. Heh heh heh. The DPU was the best UKP15 I ever spent on my Sam, Edwin - you're a star. Dan. Work: dan@bacg.com Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 24 09:03:20 1998 From: Matthew Craven Organization: Umist To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:00:47 BST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Hello X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <29940963B8@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 257 Lines: 11 Kev, > > the answer is the same for the SAM - the machine is pretty old, but > > These problems first started probably in about 1991 or 1992. :) It wasn't > THAT old then! That makes it about 2 or 3 years old in 1992 - that's how old my PC is! MJC. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 24 10:12:02 1998 From: Maria Rookyard To: sam-users Subject: Re: Hello Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:29:32 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 478 Lines: 22 > > The best mag ever! Hurrah! (etc) You do of course remember Spec Tec Jr - in > > case you hadn't realised, he is on this list! Take a bow Simon! > > Personally I can't! I was only 12 when I got the Sam. That gives you an > idea of how old I was when I was using a Spectrum and reading the magazines. > But which Simon is this? Simon ("if I finished *half* of what I started I'd be all right") Cooke ;) Just kidding Si... really, honestly, truly. > > Kev. Maria. x From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 24 11:31:33 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <4c805ea0.35406933@aol.com> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 06:28:01 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Hello Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 881 Lines: 26 In a message dated 23/04/98 20:11:19, you write: >At 07:41 PM 4/23/98 +0100, you wrote: >>Um, sounds like it's probably a hardware problem actually....? Try booting >>from another disk - that way you can check your DOS hasn't magically been >>corruptted. Unless you mean it doesn't boot at all, in which case it might >>help to hold the reset button down for at least about two seconds when you >>reset the machine. > >Edwin! Sounds like another contender for your >absolutely-useless-there's-no-need-for-it-whatsoever-I've-had-no-probs-so-I' >m-alright-Jack Disk protector. > >Simon > >ps. That was a paraphrased quote from Bob. The full quote of which should be "Never, EVER, reset or switch on/off a computer with a disc in the drive - no matter what computer you are talking about. Any device that seeks to encourage a person to do this is not recommended." HTH. -- Bob. From imc Fri Apr 24 11:34:42 1998 Subject: Re: Hello To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:34:42 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <4c805ea0.35406933@aol.com> from "BrenchleyR" at Apr 24, 98 06:28:01 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 424 Lines: 10 On Fri, 24 Apr 1998 06:28:01 EDT, BrenchleyR said: > The full quote of which should be "Never, EVER, reset or switch on/off a > computer with a disc in the drive - no matter what computer you are talking > about. Any device that seeks to encourage a person to do this is not > recommended." Oh dear. Ever since I got my PC I've been turning it on with the hard disk installed. Do you think I might have damaged it? imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 24 11:54:39 1998 From: Matthew Craven Organization: Umist To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:51:19 BST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Hello X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <2C6BB16199@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 219 Lines: 7 > Oh dear. Ever since I got my PC I've been turning it on with the hard disk > installed. Do you think I might have damaged it? Just to be safe, take it out before turning on and then put it back in again (!) MJC. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 24 12:38:27 1998 Message-Id: From: Dan Doore Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:25:13 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: RE: Hello MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /310000000/310102093/310102123/310460310/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 101" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 679 Lines: 25 > The full quote of which should be "Never, EVER, reset or switch > on/off a computer with a disc in the drive - no matter what computer > you are talking about. Any device that seeks to encourage a person > to do this is not recommended." Apart from, of course, the Atari ST in which to boot a disc the instructions clearly say: "Insert disc and press reset" :-) .... Anyway, the DPU is the bug fix for the floppy system (AFAIK - Edwin?) - and having lost whole discs to tiny power spikes, it's a good investment IMHO. Common sense is the belt, the DPU is the braces. Dan. Work: dan@bacg.com Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 24 13:02:10 1998 From: "E.P.R.P. Blink" Organization: Hanzehogeschool Groningen To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:50:59 MET Subject: Missing disk Problems X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <8ED13C02E86@mail1.pl.hanze.nl> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1193 Lines: 40 The SAM reports the 'missing disk' or 'check disk in drive' reports if a indexpulse fails to be detected withing a certain time periods. This happens in the following cases: There is no disk in the drive Disk inserted too late after a disk command was entered It took too long for the spindle motor to get spinning The Floppy disk controller chip is not fitted properly in its socket some tips turn the SAM on insert disk and press F9 or enter BOOT If the 'missing disk' error is reported try this. FOR r = 1 TO 10 OUT 224,0 : PAUSE 50 NEXT R BOOT This will turn the motor on and keep it spinning for 10 seconds before BOOTing. If you dont get the error now. The Problem is probably the drive (motor/rubber belt) or the SAMs power supply If you still get the error. take the drive out of the sam and take the drive out of its white case and press at the black chip and then put it back in its case and in the SAM and retry the test. If it still fails take the SAM drive out of the SAM and its white case and press on the black chip so it will be properly in its socket and put it back together and try again. Hope this might be of some help. Edwin Blink. From imc Fri Apr 24 13:28:45 1998 Subject: Re: Hello To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:28:45 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Dan Doore" at Apr 24, 98 12:25:13 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 664 Lines: 17 On Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:25:13 +0000, Dan Doore said: > > The full quote of which should be "Never, EVER, reset or switch > > on/off a computer with a disc in the drive - no matter what computer > > you are talking about. Any device that seeks to encourage a person > > to do this is not recommended." > Apart from, of course, the Atari ST in which to boot a disc the > instructions clearly say: > > "Insert disc and press reset" It is perfectly safe to press reset on a +3 while there is a disk in the drive (as long as it's not currently performing a write operation, of course). I think the manual even tells you to do this under some circumstances. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 24 15:47:13 1998 Message-Id: <199804241414.QAA16988@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: Sam users Subject: MSX I emulator Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:11:42 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 570 Lines: 14 Martijn is getting a bit more daring these days, after his ZX81 Emulator he is now thinking about a MSX 1 Emulator. After looking at the specs of a MSX1 I don't think it is impossible to do a Emulator. I mean it stays right within the specs of the Spectrum except for the graphics which has a 4x4 instead of 8x8 color atribute. But then it is going to include Microsluth Extended Basic. oh dear. Anyone comments or a helping hand. -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Mind you if we call you "Bruce", it might otherwise cause some confusion. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 24 17:12:21 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980424115845.006c2a1c@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:58:45 -0400 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: MSX I emulator In-Reply-To: <199804241414.QAA16988@mailserv.caiw.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 805 Lines: 18 At 04:11 PM 4/24/98 +0200, you wrote: >Martijn is getting a bit more daring these days, after his ZX81 Emulator he >is now thinking about a MSX 1 Emulator. After looking at the specs of a >MSX1 I don't think it is impossible to do a Emulator. I mean it stays right >within the specs of the Spectrum except for the graphics which has a 4x4 >instead of 8x8 color atribute. > >But then it is going to include Microsluth Extended Basic. oh dear. > >Anyone comments or a helping hand. "Good Luck" comes to mind :) Simon +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "You know... you can tell someone's vain when they quote themselves | | in their own .sig file..." -- Simon Cooke | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 24 19:36:11 1998 From: Kevin Cooper Organization: NetConnect LITE User Date: 24 Apr 98 15:39:33 +0000 Subject: Re: Missing disk Problems Message-Id: <3540B235.MD-0.196.kev@kc.u-net.com> In-Reply-To: <8ED13C02E86@mail1.pl.hanze.nl> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: MicroDot-II/AmigaOS 0.196 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 458 Lines: 16 Hello Edwin, > It took too long for the spindle motor to get spinning Hmm, it doesn't even try to acces the disk, ie it doesn't start spinning! :) > The Floppy disk controller chip is not fitted properly in its socket Unless I've been very unlucky I think it must be something else, because I have two drives in the Sam and I've had them both in Drive 1 slot at some point - they both have the same problem. Thanks for your help and bye for now, Kev. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 24 20:46:13 1998 From: Chris White To: sam-users Subject: Re: Re: Wish Lists Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 20:41:58 +0100 Message-ID: <01bd6fb9$0b369000$5fe8b094@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 408 Lines: 25 >My wish list: > >Rock star ate my hamster - definitely, but actually make the game >have a point to it this time. > >Virtua Racing >Daytona >Grand Prix 2 > >(I like driving games, alright?) > >MJC. Mine would be along the same lines with some C&c / Warcraft / Syndicate Wars Gta (Ello Col, How About It) And Of cource Carmagedon As for Sentinel - It would never work just me I Know YA Know ?? Chris From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 24 22:56:13 1998 From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Hello Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 21:53:34 GMT Message-ID: <3548092c.48865554@mail.enterprise.net> References: <353FFCFF.MD-0.196.kev@kc.u-net.com> In-Reply-To: <353FFCFF.MD-0.196.kev@kc.u-net.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 455 Lines: 16 On 24 Apr 98 02:46:24 +0000, Kevin Cooper wrote: >Yeah, I know how your minds work round here - and I like it. :) Cut the bullshit. I know you don't exist. Come on, admit it, you're really Bob - trying to get on the right side of the others, with your pretentious friendly banter. Hmmm.. first Samsboss, then Ritman. God knows how many other aliases you'll come up with. Bye, _ |_)ave (/\)hitmore http://homepages.enterprise.net/davewhitmore/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Apr 25 11:58:45 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <936bbc34.3541c15b@aol.com> Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 06:56:26 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Hello Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 824 Lines: 30 In a message dated 24/04/98 21:54:50, you write: >On 24 Apr 98 02:46:24 +0000, Kevin Cooper wrote: > > >>Yeah, I know how your minds work round here - and I like it. :) > >Cut the bullshit. I know you don't exist. Come on, admit it, you're >really Bob - trying to get on the right side of the others, with your >pretentious friendly banter. > >Hmmm.. first Samsboss, then Ritman. God knows how many other aliases >you'll come up with. > >Bye, > _ >|_)ave >(/\)hitmore I do think some people are spending too much time looking for links that do not exist. I am me, I post in my name and no other, if other people agree with things I say then good for them, if they disagree in a constructive and sensible way then good for them. If they just set out to argue then they will end up getting the **PLONK**. -- Bob. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Apr 25 13:03:32 1998 Message-Id: <000801bd7041$9e25bb60$1f14a8c2@sparky> From: Gavin Smith To: sam-users Subject: Re: Hello Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 12:59:34 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 438 Lines: 19 From: BrenchleyR >I do think some people are spending too much time looking for links that do >not exist. > >I am me, I post in my name and no other, if other people agree with things I >say then good for them, if they disagree in a constructive and sensible way >then good for them. If they just set out to argue then they will end up >getting the **PLONK**. > >-- >Bob. Erm. I think he was joking Bob :) Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Apr 25 13:46:47 1998 From: Dean Liversidge To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 13:41:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Hello In-reply-to: <3548092c.48865554@mail.enterprise.net> References: <353FFCFF.MD-0.196.kev@kc.u-net.com> Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 607 Lines: 19 > On 24 Apr 98 02:46:24 +0000, Kevin Cooper wrote: > > >Yeah, I know how your minds work round here - and I like it. :) > > Cut the bullshit. I know you don't exist. Come on, admit it, you're > really Bob - trying to get on the right side of the others, with your > pretentious friendly banter. > > Hmmm.. first Samsboss, then Ritman. God knows how many other aliases > you'll come up with. Yeah, it's all a conspiracy to take over the Sam list with freindly people, and I wont have it i tell ya', i wont have it.... [van pulls up and man gets out with white paded jacket....] -- Dean Liversidge From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Apr 25 13:46:48 1998 From: Dean Liversidge To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 13:41:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Hello In-reply-to: <4c805ea0.35406933@aol.com> Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1163 Lines: 31 > >Edwin! Sounds like another contender for your > >absolutely-useless-there's-no-need-for-it-whatsoever-I've-had-no-probs-so-I' > >m-alright-Jack Disk protector. > > > >Simon > > > >ps. That was a paraphrased quote from Bob. > > The full quote of which should be "Never, EVER, reset or switch on/off a > computer with a disc in the drive - no matter what computer you are talking > about. Any device that seeks to encourage a person to do this is not > recommended." > Oh right, so the PC's been wrong for the last 15 or so years has it, and as always your absolutly right???? I wonder how you boot a PC then before you install the OS onto a blank Hard drive???, not that i do such a thing almost every day at work.... must be doing it wrong. I build a disk protector of my own design years ago and it stopped it ruining any more disks, wouldn't be without it. Also if the facts be known, it *is* a fault in the design of the hardware of the sam drive subsystem because the reset line has to be held for a specific length of time, and the consiquence of it not being so causes unkown behavour, often resulting in disk trashing. -- Dean Liversidge From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Apr 25 13:46:49 1998 Message-ID: <353F9975.733F@postmaster.co.uk> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 12:41:41 -0700 From: David Ledbury Organization: The Foundation for Green Eggs & Ham X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Hello References: <000801bd7041$9e25bb60$1f14a8c2@sparky> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 562 Lines: 21 Gavin Smith wrote: > > From: BrenchleyR > > >I do think some people are spending too much time looking for links that do > >not exist. > > > >I am me, I post in my name and no other, if other people agree with things > I > >say then good for them, if they disagree in a constructive and sensible way > >then good for them. If they just set out to argue then they will end up > >getting the **PLONK**. > > > >-- > >Bob. > > Erm. I think he was joking Bob :) > > Gavin AFAIK Kev does exist .... after all he was a ZAT subber for years :) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Apr 25 17:30:55 1998 Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 12:27:51 -0400 From: Gordon Wallis <101762.2062@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Hello To: "INTERNET:sam-users@nvg.unit.no" Message-ID: <199804251228_MC2-3B06-B1CE@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 723 Lines: 28 Message text written by INTERNET:sam-users@nvg.unit.no >> From: BrenchleyR > > >I do think some people are spending too much time looking for links that do > >not exist. > > > >I am me, I post in my name and no other, if other people agree with things > I > >say then good for them, if they disagree in a constructive and sensible way > >then good for them. If they just set out to argue then they will end up > >getting the **PLONK**. > > > >-- > >Bob. > > Erm. I think he was joking Bob :) > > Gavin AFAIK Kev does exist .... after all he was a ZAT subber for years :) < Personally, I think I'm the only one on this list who *isn't* Bob. Or maybe... No, that's just too awful to comprehend.... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Apr 25 19:19:54 1998 From: Gouranga Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 13:58:59 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: hack page idea Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 168 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 243 Lines: 8 No problem Si. > > Well, provided that the copyright owners don't object (this'd be either > Darren or Colin McD), then I'll put up the Parallax protection design info, > and the source code for the copier if anyone wants to see it. > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Apr 25 19:29:25 1998 Message-ID: <353FE783.715D@postmaster.co.uk> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:14:43 -0700 From: David Ledbury Organization: The Foundation for Green Eggs & Ham X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Hello References: <199804251228_MC2-3B06-B1CE@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 226 Lines: 11 Gordon Wallis wrote: > > Personally, I think I'm the only one on this list who *isn't* Bob. Or > maybe... No, that's just too awful to comprehend.... Drat! My secrets out! Yes, I admit... I am really Bob Brenchley! David From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Apr 25 21:29:31 1998 From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Hello Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 20:26:52 GMT Message-ID: <354543b4.39104097@mail.enterprise.net> References: <199804251228_MC2-3B06-B1CE@compuserve.com> In-Reply-To: <199804251228_MC2-3B06-B1CE@compuserve.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1046 Lines: 31 On Sat, 25 Apr 1998 12:27:51 -0400, Gordon Wallis wrote: >> >> Erm. I think he was joking Bob :) >> >> Gavin > >AFAIK Kev does exist .... after all he was a ZAT subber for years :) > >< > >Personally, I think I'm the only one on this list who *isn't* Bob. Or >maybe... No, that's just too awful to comprehend.... Didn't you know, that was Bob's alter-ego writing in ZAT? I worked with a number of his other characters when myself and Bob - aka Phil Glover, aka David Munden, aka Nigel Kettlewell, David Haire, Gareth Pitchford, and a lot of other aliases, put the disk magazines together. It was funny at the shows when Bob would shoot off round to the back of the stage for a quick costume change. The number of people we fooled was amazing. When the Samco hotline was on, that was really Bob - not (the non-existent) Alan. It's getting on my nerves now though, because I'm no longer interested in playing along with this evil charade. I say enough is enough. Bye, _ |_)ave (/\)hitmore http://homepages.enterprise.net/davewhitmore/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Apr 26 02:11:17 1998 From: Peter Harkess To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 02:07:35 +0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview3 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Subject: next show X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 181 Lines: 13 All hail the Newflesh MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Hello, Does anybody know when the next show is and where? Maybe one in May?? -- cheers Peter Harkess From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Apr 26 15:39:43 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 10:14:05 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Hello Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1410 Lines: 39 In a message dated 25/04/98 12:44:32, you write: > >Oh right, so the PC's been wrong for the last 15 or so years has it, >and as always your absolutly right???? > >I wonder how you boot a PC then before you install the OS onto a >blank Hard drive???, not that i do such a thing almost every day at >work.... must be doing it wrong. Every PC manual I've seen has said "switch machine on, then insert disc in drive A." Anyone who has been around computers for any length of time will see the common sense in that. > >I build a disk protector of my own design years ago and it stopped it >ruining any more disks, wouldn't be without it. It is good that you have been lucky and not had any corrupted disc. The ONLY way you can avoid corruption 100% of the time is NOT to have a disc in the drive at power-on/off or when reset is pressed. > >Also if the facts be known, it *is* a fault in the design of the >hardware of the sam drive subsystem because the reset line has to be >held for a specific length of time, and the consiquence of it not >being so causes unkown behavour, often resulting in disk trashing. There was a mistake in the design of the SAM disc system in that it does not always reset properly during power-up. However, even if that was rectified on a new system the golden rule would still be "Don't temp fate, remove the disc before its too late." > >-- >Dean Liversidge -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Apr 26 15:50:54 1998 From: Maria Rookyard To: sam-users Subject: Re: Hello Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 15:44:03 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 363 Lines: 20 > Gordon Wallis wrote: > > > > Personally, I think I'm the only one on this list who *isn't* Bob. Or > > maybe... No, that's just too awful to comprehend.... > > Drat! My secrets out! > > Yes, I admit... I am really Bob Brenchley! > > David > No, don't tell me, let me guess... you all think *I'm* Bob getting in touch with his feminine side! Maria. x From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Apr 26 16:04:06 1998 Message-ID: <354109DD.17EC@postmaster.co.uk> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:53:33 -0700 From: David Ledbury Organization: The Foundation for Green Eggs & Ham X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Hello References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 510 Lines: 28 Maria Rookyard wrote: > > > Gordon Wallis wrote: > > > > > > Personally, I think I'm the only one on this list who *isn't* Bob. Or > > > maybe... No, that's just too awful to comprehend.... > > > > Drat! My secrets out! > > > > Yes, I admit... I am really Bob Brenchley! > > > > David > > > > No, don't tell me, let me guess... you all think *I'm* Bob getting in touch > with his feminine side! > > Maria. > x > > Hmmm... Sort of reminds me of the scene from Sparticus.... "I am Bob Brenchley" Oh well From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Apr 26 19:09:07 1998 From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Hello Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:05:49 GMT Message-ID: <3545653b.3475165@mail.enterprise.net> References: <354109DD.17EC@postmaster.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <354109DD.17EC@postmaster.co.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 556 Lines: 26 On Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:53:33 -0700, David Ledbury wrote: That's strange. I didn't get the original copy of this? >> > Drat! My secrets out! >> > >> > Yes, I admit... I am really Bob Brenchley! >> > >> > David There seems to be a persona problem here. :) >Maria Rookyard wrote: >> No, don't tell me, let me guess... you all think *I'm* Bob getting in touch >> with his feminine side! Convince me you're not! Give me your phone number, then I can call you and make sure. Bye, _ |_)ave (/\)hitmore http://homepages.enterprise.net/davewhitmore/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Apr 26 20:34:29 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <412e7e6f.35438bc6@aol.com> Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 15:32:20 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Hello Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 587 Lines: 20 In a message dated 24/04/98 10:35:32, you write: >o > >On Fri, 24 Apr 1998 06:28:01 EDT, BrenchleyR said: >> The full quote of which should be "Never, EVER, reset or switch on/off a >> computer with a disc in the drive - no matter what computer you are talking >> about. Any device that seeks to encourage a person to do this is not >> recommended." > >Oh dear. Ever since I got my PC I've been turning it on with the hard disk >installed. Do you think I might have damaged it? > >imc Now that is being silly. We were talking about floppies, a total different ball game. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Apr 26 23:00:22 1998 From: Maria Rookyard To: sam-users Subject: Re: Hello Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 22:57:44 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 462 Lines: 29 > > >Maria Rookyard wrote: > > >> No, don't tell me, let me guess... you all think *I'm* Bob getting in touch > >> with his feminine side! > > Convince me you're not! Give me your phone number, then I can call you > and make sure. That should be easy enough, just check any (oops sorry *either*) issue of B.O.A.I. and you'll find it in there. hth ;) > > > Bye, > _ > |_)ave > (/\)hitmore http://homepages.enterprise.net/davewhitmore/ Maria. x From imc Sun Apr 26 23:11:24 1998 Subject: Re: Hello To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 23:11:24 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "BrenchleyR" at Apr 26, 98 10:14:05 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 828 Lines: 22 On Sun, 26 Apr 1998 10:14:05 EDT, BrenchleyR said: > Every PC manual I've seen has said "switch machine on, then insert disc in > drive A." I bet they all said "disk", not "disc". The problem with that is you have to insert it moderately quick or else the machine will start booting from the hard disk instead. If the instructinos don't say this then they are asking for people to phone technical support saying it doesn't work. My PC manual doesn't tell you how to boot from floppy (that I noticed), but when describing the BIOS test it tells you to switch the machine off then remove any floppy from the drive. And the OS/2 installation instructions say: 1. Insert the diskette ... 2. Insert the CD-ROM ... 3. If your workstation is already on, ... restart the workstation. Otherwise, turn on your workstation. imc From imc Sun Apr 26 23:13:34 1998 Subject: Re: Hello To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 23:13:34 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <412e7e6f.35438bc6@aol.com> from "BrenchleyR" at Apr 26, 98 03:32:20 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 403 Lines: 11 On Sun, 26 Apr 1998 15:32:20 EDT, BrenchleyR said: > >Oh dear. Ever since I got my PC I've been turning it on with the hard disk > >installed. Do you think I might have damaged it? > Now that is being silly. We were talking about floppies, a total different > ball game. Why different? If it can power up without damaging the hard disk then why can't it power up without damaging the floppy? imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 27 00:18:11 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980426191030.006c55fc@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 19:10:30 -0400 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Hello In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1238 Lines: 28 At 10:14 AM 4/26/98 EDT, you wrote: >Every PC manual I've seen has said "switch machine on, then insert disc in >drive A." > >Anyone who has been around computers for any length of time will see the >common sense in that. Yep... though if the system is designed properly, there's no problem in it. >> >>I build a disk protector of my own design years ago and it stopped it >>ruining any more disks, wouldn't be without it. > >It is good that you have been lucky and not had any corrupted disc. The ONLY >way you can avoid corruption 100% of the time is NOT to have a disc in the >drive at power-on/off or when reset is pressed. As long as the 8MHz clock signal is maintained during RESET, the VL1772-02 is happy. In fact, during RESET, the VL1772-02 REQUIRES an 8MHz clock pulse for correct operation. The lack of this is what causes disk corruption. When present, the chip is guaranteed *NOT* to cause spurious write errors during reset. Simon +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "You know... you can tell someone's vain when they quote themselves | | in their own .sig file..." -- Simon Cooke | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 27 00:18:11 1998 From: Dean Liversidge To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 00:11:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Hello In-reply-to: Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2413 Lines: 63 > From: BrenchleyR > In a message dated 25/04/98 12:44:32, you write: > > > >Oh right, so the PC's been wrong for the last 15 or so years has it, > >and as always your absolutly right???? > > > >I wonder how you boot a PC then before you install the OS onto a > >blank Hard drive???, not that i do such a thing almost every day at > >work.... must be doing it wrong. > > Every PC manual I've seen has said "switch machine on, then insert disc in > drive A." Please quote me an IBM compatable PC Operating System install Manual that says as such. > Anyone who has been around computers for any length of time will see the > common sense in that. I've been around computers for about 18 years now, i know thats not as long as you, but then again i'm not as old, or stuborn as you. And yes, common sense does lead toward not putting any magnet media into any device that creates a magnetic field unless it is 100% under control. Unfortunatly due to the (lack of) design on the reset circuit of the Sam FDC the controller isn't in a 'known state' during the CPU reset. > >I build a disk protector of my own design years ago and it stopped it > >ruining any more disks, wouldn't be without it. > > It is good that you have been lucky and not had any corrupted disc. The ONLY > way you can avoid corruption 100% of the time is NOT to have a disc in the > drive at power-on/off or when reset is pressed. Just goes to show that you dont read your mail properly, i have had plenty of corrupt disks or i wouldnt have said 'any /more/'. But then again, many a good recovery utility came out of the trashed first couple of tracks on the disks. And with properly designed hardware you can avoid the drive corrupting the disk so that's two ways, so there obviously isnt /ONLY/ one way. > >Also if the facts be known, it *is* a fault in the design of the > >hardware of the sam drive subsystem because the reset line has to be > >held for a specific length of time, and the consiquence of it not > >being so causes unkown behavour, often resulting in disk trashing. > > There was a mistake in the design of the SAM disc system in that it does not > always reset properly during power-up. However, even if that was rectified on > a new system the golden rule would still be "Don't temp fate, remove the disc > before its too late." > -- > Bob. -- Dean Liversidge From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 27 09:24:58 1998 Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:21:56 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9804270821.AA06036@huth.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Hello X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 630 Lines: 14 > >I build a disk protector of my own design years ago and it stopped it > >ruining any more disks, wouldn't be without it. > > It is good that you have been lucky and not had any corrupted disc. The ONLY > way you can avoid corruption 100% of the time is NOT to have a disc in the > drive at power-on/off or when reset is pressed. As I grew up in the days where you had to 'park' the harddisk before yyour turned of the computer I never trusted those mechanical things. However, the ONLY way you can avoid corruption 100% of the time is NOT to use a computer. Provided your mind and body is not already corrupted. ;) -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 27 09:58:45 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <802565F3.0031044F.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:59:06 +0100 Subject: Re: Hello Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 509 Lines: 21 >>> No, don't tell me, let me guess... you all think *I'm* Bob getting in >touch >>> with his feminine side! >Convince me you're not! Give me your phone number, then I can call you >and make sure. *laughs* That's one hell of a chat up line if I've ever heard one. I'll have to try it the next time I'm at my local Friday night haunt:- Me going up to a nice girl: "Hi. Are you Bob Brenchly?" Girl looking suspicious: "Umm. No." Me: "Then, can I have your phone number so that I can make sure!" Justin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 27 19:25:39 1998 From: Kevin Cooper Organization: NetConnect LITE User Date: 27 Apr 98 17:27:25 +0000 Subject: Re: Hello Message-Id: <3544BFFD.MD-0.196.kev@kc.u-net.com> In-Reply-To: <802565F3.0031044F.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: MicroDot-II/AmigaOS 0.196 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 192 Lines: 10 Hello Justin, > Me going up to a nice girl: "Hi. Are you Bob Brenchly?" > Girl looking suspicious: "Umm. No." > Me: "Then, can I have your phone number so that I can make sure!" LOL! Kev. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 27 19:45:10 1998 From: Maria Rookyard To: sam-users Subject: Re: Hello Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 19:30:41 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 612 Lines: 29 Nice one Justin. Hope it works for you ;) Maria. x > > >>> No, don't tell me, let me guess... you all think *I'm* Bob getting in > >touch > >>> with his feminine side! > > >Convince me you're not! Give me your phone number, then I can call you > >and make sure. > > *laughs* > > That's one hell of a chat up line if I've ever heard one. I'll have to > try it the next time I'm at my local Friday night haunt:- > > Me going up to a nice girl: "Hi. Are you Bob Brenchly?" > > Girl looking suspicious: "Umm. No." > > Me: "Then, can I have your phone number so that I can make sure!" > > > Justin > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 27 22:53:44 1998 Message-Id: <199804272150.WAA01839@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Paul Walker Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 22:50:41 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Hello In-reply-to: <802565F3.0031044F.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 455 Lines: 14 > Girl looking suspicious: "Umm. No." > Me: "Then, can I have your phone number so that I can make sure!" I think I prefer "I've forgotten my phone number. Can I have yours?" Or possibly "I've lost my teddy bear. Will you sleep with me?", but be very ready to duck. Paul -- ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ---- FidoNet: 2:254/60.11 2:442/103.13 ---> http://www.trak-one.co.uk/foti <--- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 28 10:07:08 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <6c633bba.354599d7@aol.com> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 04:56:53 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Hello Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1021 Lines: 31 In a message dated 26/04/98 22:12:13, you write: >On Sun, 26 Apr 1998 10:14:05 EDT, BrenchleyR said: >> Every PC manual I've seen has said "switch machine on, then insert disc in >> drive A." > >I bet they all said "disk", not "disc". Common spelling mistake made by many people. > >The problem with that is you have to insert it moderately quick or else the >machine will start booting from the hard disk instead. If the instructinos >don't say this then they are asking for people to phone technical support >saying it doesn't work. > >My PC manual doesn't tell you how to boot from floppy (that I noticed), but >when describing the BIOS test it tells you to switch the machine off then >remove any floppy from the drive. And the OS/2 installation instructions >say: > >1. Insert the diskette ... >2. Insert the CD-ROM ... >3. If your workstation is already on, ... restart the workstation. > Otherwise, turn on your workstation. > >imc Well I'll let your PC manufacturer deal with his own problems. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 28 10:07:08 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <5e084dc4.354599d9@aol.com> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 04:56:56 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Hello Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 761 Lines: 24 In a message dated 26/04/98 22:17:39, you write: >On Sun, 26 Apr 1998 15:32:20 EDT, BrenchleyR said: >> >Oh dear. Ever since I got my PC I've been turning it on with the hard >disk >> >installed. Do you think I might have damaged it? > >> Now that is being silly. We were talking about floppies, a total different >> ball game. > >Why different? If it can power up without damaging the hard disk then why >can't it power up without damaging the floppy? > >imc > > Because the hard drive does not have the heads in contact with part of the disc that may have data on it. Remember the old machines that did not have auto-park heads? Lots of problems on those, I even saw Bruce Gordon trash some data when he forgot to park the heads one evening. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 28 10:08:24 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <6be2ca44.354599da@aol.com> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 04:56:57 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Hello Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1214 Lines: 33 In a message dated 26/04/98 23:16:13, you write: >At 10:14 AM 4/26/98 EDT, you wrote: >>Every PC manual I've seen has said "switch machine on, then insert disc in >>drive A." >> >>Anyone who has been around computers for any length of time will see the >>common sense in that. > >Yep... though if the system is designed properly, there's no problem in it. > >>> >>>I build a disk protector of my own design years ago and it stopped it >>>ruining any more disks, wouldn't be without it. >> >>It is good that you have been lucky and not had any corrupted disc. The ONLY >>way you can avoid corruption 100% of the time is NOT to have a disc in the >>drive at power-on/off or when reset is pressed. > >As long as the 8MHz clock signal is maintained during RESET, the VL1772-02 >is happy. In fact, during RESET, the VL1772-02 REQUIRES an 8MHz clock pulse >for correct operation. The lack of this is what causes disk corruption. >When present, the chip is guaranteed *NOT* to cause spurious write errors >during reset. > >Simon During a /proper/ reset I would agree, but during power on/off not even the 1772 could be 'guaranteed' not to cause problems as ofthen th eproblems could be in the drive itself. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 28 10:57:17 1998 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Hello References: <199804272150.WAA01839@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware X-{giggle}: Lots! From: The Giggler Date: 28 Apr 1998 10:52:04 +0100 In-Reply-To: "Paul Walker"'s message of "Mon, 27 Apr 1998 22:50:41 +0000" Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.66/Emacs 19.34 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 521 Lines: 20 "Paul Walker" writes: > > Girl looking suspicious: "Umm. No." > > Me: "Then, can I have your phone number so that I can make sure!" > > I think I prefer "I've forgotten my phone number. Can I have yours?" > > Or possibly "I've lost my teddy bear. Will you sleep with me?", but > be very ready to duck. Or the rather un-subtle one which (Somehow) actually worked for someone I know ... 'You want to f&&& me don't you?' Some people can get away with murder ... Lee. -- Yawn And Walk North From imc Tue Apr 28 10:58:55 1998 Subject: Re: Hello To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:58:55 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <6c633bba.354599d7@aol.com> from "BrenchleyR" at Apr 28, 98 04:56:53 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 280 Lines: 9 On Tue, 28 Apr 1998 04:56:53 EDT, BrenchleyR said: > >I bet they all said "disk", not "disc". > Common spelling mistake made by many people. I think you forgot the smiley on that piece of flame-bait, Bob. How do you know it's not _you_ who have made the spelling mistake? imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 28 12:41:44 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 07:36:23 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Hello Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 420 Lines: 19 In a message dated 28/04/98 10:06:45, you write: >On Tue, 28 Apr 1998 04:56:53 EDT, BrenchleyR said: >> >I bet they all said "disk", not "disc". > >> Common spelling mistake made by many people. > >I think you forgot the smiley on that piece of flame-bait, Bob. >How do you know it's not _you_ who have made the spelling mistake? > >imc > > > Because I was around BEFORE they started making the mistake :) -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 28 16:57:15 1998 Message-Id: From: Dan Doore Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 16:50:27 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: In case you were wondering... MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /310000000/310102093/310102123/310460310/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 101" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 280 Lines: 13 Gents, I have unsubbed since my domain is about to change (hopefully end of this week) and I don't want to have to hassle Arnt again to unsub me when it does. See you in a bit. Dan. Work: dan@bacg.com Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 28 18:53:53 1998 From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Hello Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 17:47:42 GMT Message-ID: <3545ecd8.6556335@mail.enterprise.net> References: <802565F3.0031044F.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <802565F3.0031044F.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 774 Lines: 30 On Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:59:06 +0100, Justin_Skists@case.co.uk wrote: Justin, > >>Convince me you're not! Give me your phone number, then I can call you >>and make sure. > >*laughs* > >That's one hell of a chat up line if I've ever heard one. I'll have to >try it the next time I'm at my local Friday night haunt:- > >Me going up to a nice girl: "Hi. Are you Bob Brenchly?" This, however, could have terrifying consequences. Following this strategy could lead to a situation where you might actually wake up next to Bob. :/ Here's a tip. Take a photograph of any prospective girl-friend and, when it's back from the developers, put a piece of tracing paper over it and sketch a beard.... :) Bye, _ |_)ave (/\)hitmore http://homepages.enterprise.net/davewhitmore/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 28 19:27:06 1998 From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Hello Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 18:23:59 GMT Message-ID: <35471d09.18895743@mail.enterprise.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 836 Lines: 26 On Tue, 28 Apr 1998 07:36:23 EDT, BrenchleyR wrote: [Disc vs Disk] >Because I was around BEFORE they started making the mistake :) But it isn't /really/ a mistake anymore, is it? The current norm is that portable magnetic floppy media is referred to as disk, while CD media is as 'disc'. There are very few instances of people referring to 3.5 diskettes as discs nowadays, and your pedantry is based on your refusal to accept something that is known as 'language-change'. If we all had principles like yours, we'd still be using archaisms like 'thee' and 'thou'. Why don't you just accept that terminology, semantics, and spellings are subject to changes? If you don't believe me, look up the definitions of 'disc' and 'disk' in a modern dictionary. Bye, _ |_)ave (/\)hitmore http://homepages.enterprise.net/davewhitmore/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 28 21:08:59 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980428155740.006c8e1c@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:57:40 -0400 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Music! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 716 Lines: 15 Just out of interest, if anyone wants some music for a new game / project, I've been working on a tune. It's in XM format (sample based), but should convert reasonably well to MOD format, or to ProTracker -- iff I can work out how to convert it back. Elsewise, someone else can do the work. It's not 100% finished, but it's getting there. Kind of moody on the whole. A bit Jean-Michel Jarre'y, a bit Tangerine Dream-y. Simon +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "You know... you can tell someone's vain when they quote themselves | | in their own .sig file..." -- Simon Cooke | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 28 22:12:53 1998 From: Gouranga Message-ID: <27e359c1.354645a2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 17:09:53 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Another tedious email... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 168 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 424 Lines: 12 Good to see everyone's talking about productive stuff, and that we're not pissing about like 5 year olds arguing over the spelling of words and the wording of IBM instruction manuals. Tedious, monotonous, boring, pointless drivel. Just in case no-one realised. So - how about someone lists the features in whatever version of DOS is being done. Or what this new hard drive can do. Or what we can use the clock board for. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 28 22:23:42 1998 Message-Id: <001501bd72eb$614a9240$0e14a8c2@sparky> From: Gavin Smith To: sam-users Subject: Re: Another tedious email... Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 22:19:48 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 735 Lines: 23 Gouranga wrote: >Good to see everyone's talking about productive stuff, and that we're not >pissing about like 5 year olds arguing over the spelling of words and the >wording of IBM instruction manuals. > >Tedious, monotonous, boring, pointless drivel. > >Just in case no-one realised. How come you pop every now and then, just to complain about what people are talking about on the list, when in fact you contribute nothing of interest yourself? I'm not interested in everything that goes on this list, but I just delete the appropriate ones, it only takes a second. I think people are starting to get worried about what they actually *can* write about. >Or what this new hard drive can do. Erm guess, it's a hard drive. Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 28 23:07:40 1998 From: Maria Rookyard To: sam-users Subject: Re: In case you were wondering... Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 20:27:12 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 191 Lines: 16 ---------- > From: Dan Doore > Gents, Gents? gents?????????????? What's up, aren't you talking to me - or did you believe me when I said I was really Bob? ;) Maria. x From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 28 23:15:31 1998 Message-ID: <354412AC.983@postmaster.co.uk> Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 22:07:56 -0700 From: David Ledbury Organization: The Foundation for Green Eggs & Ham X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: In case you were wondering... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 358 Lines: 17 Maria Rookyard wrote: > > ---------- > > From: Dan Doore > > > Gents, > > Gents? gents?????????????? > > What's up, aren't you talking to me - or did you believe me when I said I > was really Bob? ;) > > Maria. > x Nah... they believed me when I explained I was Bob.... But I was lying.. you see I'm really Frank Broughton in disguise! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 28 23:21:44 1998 Message-Id: <199804282216.XAA03591@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Paul Walker Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 23:16:48 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Music! In-reply-to: <3.0.1.32.19980428155740.006c8e1c@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 340 Lines: 10 > It's not 100% finished, but it's getting there. Kind of moody on the whole. > A bit Jean-Michel Jarre'y, a bit Tangerine Dream-y. Any chance of a copy? Paul -- ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ---- FidoNet: 2:254/60.11 2:442/103.13 ---> http://www.trak-one.co.uk/foti <--- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 28 23:21:45 1998 Message-Id: <199804282216.XAA03571@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Paul Walker Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 23:16:48 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Hello References: "Paul Walker"'s message of "Mon, 27 Apr 1998 22:50:41 +0000" In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 507 Lines: 17 > Or the rather un-subtle one which (Somehow) actually worked for someone > I know ... 'You want to f&&& me don't you?' It's reminded me of the last one I'll relate (since we're not on topic by any stretch of the imagination :) : "Nice shoes, wanna fsck?" Apparently it's never worked, though. Can't imagine why. Paul -- ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ---- FidoNet: 2:254/60.11 2:442/103.13 ---> http://www.trak-one.co.uk/foti <--- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 28 23:21:46 1998 Message-Id: <199804282216.XAA03595@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Paul Walker Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 23:16:48 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Hello In-reply-to: <5e084dc4.354599d9@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 463 Lines: 13 > auto-park heads? Lots of problems on those, I even saw Bruce Gordon trash some > data when he forgot to park the heads one evening. He must have been very unlucky, then. I used to power down for quite a while without any problems before I got a program to park the heads. Paul -- ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ---- FidoNet: 2:254/60.11 2:442/103.13 ---> http://www.trak-one.co.uk/foti <--- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 28 23:21:53 1998 Message-ID: <35441408.7FD9@postmaster.co.uk> Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 22:13:44 -0700 From: David Ledbury Organization: The Foundation for Green Eggs & Ham X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Music! References: <3.0.1.32.19980428155740.006c8e1c@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1093 Lines: 28 Simon Cooke wrote: > > Just out of interest, if anyone wants some music for a new game / project, > I've been working on a tune. My goodness! Is there no limits to this mans talents? :) > It's in XM format (sample based), but should convert reasonably well to MOD > format, or to ProTracker -- iff I can work out how to convert it back. > Elsewise, someone else can do the work. Hmmm.... funny that, I was going to ask if anyone had any idea if it was possible to convert a ScreamTracker or other Tracker's to ProTracker? Even if it was over 6 channels. > It's not 100% finished, but it's getting there. Kind of moody on the whole. > A bit Jean-Michel Jarre'y, a bit Tangerine Dream-y. Now there's a surprise :) I'd have expected the TD influeance :) > Simon > +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ > | "You know... you can tell someone's vain when they quote themselves | > | in their own .sig file..." -- Simon Cooke | > +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ David aka Frank Broughton From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 28 23:21:53 1998 Message-Id: <199804282216.XAA03579@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Paul Walker Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 23:16:48 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Another tedious email... In-reply-to: <27e359c1.354645a2@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 782 Lines: 30 > Good to see everyone's talking about productive stuff, and that we're not > pissing about like 5 year olds arguing over the spelling of words and the > wording of IBM instruction manuals. But of course. > Tedious, monotonous, boring, pointless drivel. Oh, come on. You're not *that* bad. > So - how about someone lists the features in whatever version of DOS is being > done. Advanced features would be nice. Like the stuff I use here and at uni. > Or what this new hard drive can do. Work? That would be an improvement, I gather.. > Or what we can use the clock board for. Doorstop? Paul -- ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ---- FidoNet: 2:254/60.11 2:442/103.13 ---> http://www.trak-one.co.uk/foti <--- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 28 23:32:31 1998 Message-ID: <354416CE.66E4@postmaster.co.uk> Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 22:25:34 -0700 From: David Ledbury Organization: The Foundation for Green Eggs & Ham X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Music! References: <199804282216.XAA03591@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 207 Lines: 10 Paul Walker wrote: > > > It's not 100% finished, but it's getting there. Kind of moody on the whole. > > A bit Jean-Michel Jarre'y, a bit Tangerine Dream-y. > > Any chance of a copy? > > Paul Same here! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 28 23:32:31 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980428182242.006cc140@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 18:22:42 -0400 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Music! In-Reply-To: <199804282216.XAA03591@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> References: <3.0.1.32.19980428155740.006c8e1c@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 560 Lines: 15 At 11:16 PM 4/28/98 +0000, you wrote: >> It's not 100% finished, but it's getting there. Kind of moody on the whole. >> A bit Jean-Michel Jarre'y, a bit Tangerine Dream-y. > >Any chance of a copy? Certainly sir, coming right up :) It's not finished, be warned!!! Simon +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "You know... you can tell someone's vain when they quote themselves | | in their own .sig file..." -- Simon Cooke | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From imc Wed Apr 29 00:54:41 1998 Subject: Re: Hello To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:54:41 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "BrenchleyR" at Apr 28, 98 07:36:23 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 502 Lines: 14 On Tue, 28 Apr 1998 07:36:23 EDT, BrenchleyR said: > >> Common spelling mistake made by many people. > >I think you forgot the smiley on that piece of flame-bait, Bob. > >How do you know it's not _you_ who have made the spelling mistake? > Because I was around BEFORE they started making the mistake :) Gosh, you have been around since before the American language was formed? Before you persist with this nonsense please look the word up in a decent dictionary (such as the Concise Oxford). imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 29 07:17:37 1998 Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 08:15:21 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9804290615.AA16282@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: In case you were wondering... X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 237 Lines: 10 > > Gents, > > I have unsubbed since my domain is about to change (hopefully end of this > week) and I don't want to have to hassle Arnt again to unsub me when it > does. Actually, it's me you didn't have to hassle. ;) -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 29 07:49:20 1998 From: Nev Young To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Hello Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 06:45:06 GMT Organization: Message-ID: <3560cc62.4238494@post.demon.co.uk> References: <199804282216.XAA03571@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <199804282216.XAA03571@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 535 Lines: 18 On Tue, 28 Apr 1998 23:16:48 +0000, "Paul Walker" wrote: > > > Or the rather un-subtle one which (Somehow) actually worked for someone > > I know ... 'You want to f&&& me don't you?' > > It's reminded me of the last one I'll relate (since we're not on > topic by any stretch of the imagination :) : > > "Nice shoes, wanna fsck?" > > Apparently it's never worked, though. Can't imagine why. > Perhaps her file system was ok -- Nev - no longer at nevilley@ndirect.co.uk and getting no spam at all (yet) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 29 09:13:35 1998 From: askillma Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:18:14 +0100 (BST) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: SimCoupe v0.78 developement snapshot release Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1912 Lines: 54 Hello All, Yes, you can believe your eyes, this is a real Sam related issue on the Sam users mailing list! SimCoupe v078 is now ready for downloading at the usual site (http://www.hep.ucl.ac.uk/~ajs/simcoupe/simcoupe_snapshot.html). New designs for desktop wallpaper gladly received! Here is an extract from the Change.log file Version 0.7.8 (28-Apr-1998) --------------------------- DOS developement release o SimCoupe GUI improvements : - Fixed mouse button response problems. - Some options can now be changed from the GUI. - Added a simple desktop with Wallpaper. - New disk image creation tool, creates blank .dsk disk images including SAMDOS system if required. - Set keyboard repeat delay to sensible level. o SAA Audio TSR now loaded automatically if available. TSR driver file set using command line switch AudioTSR ie. simcoupe -audioTSR A_TSR.DRV (Default : saa-tsr.drv) o Sam Speaker emulation now switchable (for happier eardrums:) ie simcoupe -speaker off Can also be controled using GUI options menu As for the smut laden computer related comments I think the linux startup says it all about UNIX system users ;) "Reached Maximum mount count, check forced" Regards Allan. +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Allan Skillman | "There are five flavours of resons, the | | EDA Group | elementary particles of magic : up, down, | | ARM | sideways, sex-appeal and peppermint." | | allan.skillman@arm.com | - Terry Pratchett (Lords and Ladies) | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 29 10:19:47 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <1fb8e437.3546f00b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 05:16:58 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Hello Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1354 Lines: 39 In a message dated 28/04/98 18:25:23, you write: >On Tue, 28 Apr 1998 07:36:23 EDT, BrenchleyR wrote: > >[Disc vs Disk] > >>Because I was around BEFORE they started making the mistake :) > >But it isn't /really/ a mistake anymore, is it? > >The current norm is that portable magnetic floppy media is referred to >as disk, while CD media is as 'disc'. > >There are very few instances of people referring to 3.5 diskettes as >discs nowadays, and your pedantry is based on your refusal to accept >something that is known as 'language-change'. If we all had principles >like yours, we'd still be using archaisms like 'thee' and 'thou'. Why >don't you just accept that terminology, semantics, and spellings are >subject to changes? > >If you don't believe me, look up the definitions of 'disc' and 'disk' >in a modern dictionary. > > >Bye, > _ >|_)ave >(/\)hitmore All that may be true Dave, a dictionary defines the use of words, however is does not always define the correct spelling of words. Take ORGANIZE as an example. Many people in recent years have started spelling it ORGANISE and the dictionarys (at least the larger ones) reflect this. But correct English calls for IZE almost every time in preferance to ISE. Likewise (one of the odd none IZE words) the correct English spelling is DISC which we, as an English magazine, keep to. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 29 10:26:29 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 05:23:47 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Hello Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 692 Lines: 23 In a message dated 28/04/98 23:58:39, you write: >> Because I was around BEFORE they started making the mistake :) > >Gosh, you have been around since before the American language was formed? > >Before you persist with this nonsense please look the word up in a decent >dictionary (such as the Concise Oxford). > >imc > > No, since before Brits started making the mistake of importing a Merkin spelling of a word we already had. And before anyone starts: a) yes, the word is diskette, that is valid because it is a made up word, I would use it in full if needbe. And yes, Program is an Merkin spelling of Programme but in English the two words now have different meanings. HTH. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 29 11:35:48 1998 From: Matthew Craven Organization: Umist To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:16:31 BST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: SimCoupe v0.78 developement snapshot release X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <31A1A232FF@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 139 Lines: 6 Fantastic. I love that emulator - has it got sound on it, this new version? And if not, what would I do to get some sound? Thanks, MJC. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 29 18:08:03 1998 From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Another tedious email... Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:01:37 GMT Message-ID: <355123a6.3638552@mail.enterprise.net> References: <001501bd72eb$614a9240$0e14a8c2@sparky> In-Reply-To: <001501bd72eb$614a9240$0e14a8c2@sparky> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 593 Lines: 16 On Tue, 28 Apr 1998 22:19:48 +0100, Gavin Smith wrote: >How come you pop every now and then, just to complain about what people are >talking about on the list, when in fact you contribute nothing of interest >yourself? I'm not interested in everything that goes on this list, but I >just delete the appropriate ones, it only takes a second. I think people are >starting to get worried about what they actually *can* write about. That's true. If babbling wasn't allowed, the list would end up deader than it is. Bye, _ |_)ave (/\)hitmore http://homepages.enterprise.net/davewhitmore/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 29 18:08:05 1998 From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Hello Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:01:39 GMT Message-ID: <35492097.2856089@mail.enterprise.net> References: <199804282216.XAA03571@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <199804282216.XAA03571@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 443 Lines: 20 On Tue, 28 Apr 1998 23:16:48 +0000, Paul Walker wrote: > >"Nice shoes, wanna fsck?" > >Apparently it's never worked, though. Can't imagine why. It has potential. It all depends on the mood of the person you say it to, the place, the time, and if your really ready if they say yes. You should give it a try. Do that today, and report back to the list. :) Bye, _ |_)ave (/\)hitmore http://homepages.enterprise.net/davewhitmore/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 29 18:08:05 1998 From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Music! Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:01:43 GMT Message-ID: <354a21f8.3208641@mail.enterprise.net> References: <199804282216.XAA03591@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <199804282216.XAA03591@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 314 Lines: 18 On Tue, 28 Apr 1998 23:16:48 +0000, Paul Walker wrote: >> It's not 100% finished, but it's getting there. Kind of moody on the whole. >> A bit Jean-Michel Jarre'y, a bit Tangerine Dream-y. > >Any chance of a copy? > >Paul ME TOO! Bye, _ |_)ave (/\)hitmore http://homepages.enterprise.net/davewhitmore/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 29 19:00:13 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980429135159.006c6e94@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 13:51:59 -0400 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Music! In-Reply-To: <354a21f8.3208641@mail.enterprise.net> References: <199804282216.XAA03591@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> <199804282216.XAA03591@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 582 Lines: 20 At 05:01 PM 4/29/98 GMT, you wrote: >On Tue, 28 Apr 1998 23:16:48 +0000, Paul Walker wrote: >>> It's not 100% finished, but it's getting there. Kind of moody on the whole. >>> A bit Jean-Michel Jarre'y, a bit Tangerine Dream-y. >> >>Any chance of a copy? >> >>Paul > > >ME TOO! Sent :) Simon +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "You know... you can tell someone's vain when they quote themselves | | in their own .sig file..." -- Simon Cooke | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 29 19:38:25 1998 From: Maria Rookyard To: sam-users Subject: Re: Music! Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 13:27:49 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 304 Lines: 11 > > > It's not 100% finished, but it's getting there. Kind of moody on the whole. > > A bit Jean-Michel Jarre'y, a bit Tangerine Dream-y. It's nothing whatsoever like JMJ - it's a dead ringer for Incantations (but we'll concede that it does have a tiny bit of Tangerine Dream in it) Maria & Martin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 29 19:38:26 1998 From: Maria Rookyard To: sam-users Subject: Re: Hello Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 16:12:23 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 255 Lines: 15 ---------- > From: Paul Walker > "Nice shoes, wanna fsck?" Thanks Paul, erm... ok, your place or mine? Maria. P.S. Does it matter that it's off topic - at least it's making people smile instead of falling out all the time. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 29 19:56:49 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980429144735.006cebd0@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 14:47:35 -0400 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Music! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 629 Lines: 17 At 01:27 PM 4/29/98 +0100, you wrote: >It's nothing whatsoever like JMJ - it's a dead ringer for Incantations (but >we'll concede that it does have a tiny bit of Tangerine Dream in it) Shall I send you the up-to-date version then now? ;) (The new one has at least one bit from (I think) Equinoxe in it). BTW: What's Incantations? Simon +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "You know... you can tell someone's vain when they quote themselves | | in their own .sig file..." -- Simon Cooke | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 29 20:03:07 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980429145557.006d0f24@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 14:55:57 -0400 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Other tunes.. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 775 Lines: 16 If anyone's interested, I've got a couple of others as well -- not as dark as the Moody one I've been passing around (which I'm thinking of renaming as Death of a Friend, as it seems to suit the tune). One of them's called netFUSION conFUSION, and is a bit of a dancy one. Not finished, boring in the middle, needs more work. But it's not a bad first-ever-tune. I've also got one called Clappy. Two minutes long, goes nowhere, but would probably make a good hiscore-entry tune. Simon +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "You know... you can tell someone's vain when they quote themselves | | in their own .sig file..." -- Simon Cooke | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 29 20:40:09 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980429144448.006cb330@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 14:44:48 -0400 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Music! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 535 Lines: 13 At 01:27 PM 4/29/98 +0100, you wrote: >It's nothing whatsoever like JMJ - it's a dead ringer for Incantations (but >we'll concede that it does have a tiny bit of Tangerine Dream in it) Shall I send you the up-to-date version then now? ;) Simon +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "You know... you can tell someone's vain when they quote themselves | | in their own .sig file..." -- Simon Cooke | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 29 20:47:47 1998 Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 21:44:19 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9804291944.AA18066@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Other tunes.. X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 840 Lines: 21 If anyone's interested, I've got a couple of others as well -- not as dark > as the Moody one I've been passing around (which I'm thinking of renaming > as Death of a Friend, as it seems to suit the tune). > > One of them's called netFUSION conFUSION, and is a bit of a dancy one. Not > finished, boring in the middle, needs more work. But it's not a bad > first-ever-tune. > > I've also got one called Clappy. Two minutes long, goes nowhere, but would > probably make a good hiscore-entry tune. nvg is open for you. -Frode > > Simon > +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ > | "You know... you can tell someone's vain when they quote themselves | > | in their own .sig file..." -- Simon Cooke | > +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 29 20:52:51 1998 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Music! References: <3.0.1.32.19980428155740.006c8e1c@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware X-{giggle}: Lots! From: The Giggler Date: 29 Apr 1998 20:50:15 +0100 In-Reply-To: Simon Cooke's message of "Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:57:40 -0400" Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.66/Emacs 19.34 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 760 Lines: 19 Simon Cooke writes: > Just out of interest, if anyone wants some music for a new game / project, > I've been working on a tune. > > It's in XM format (sample based), but should convert reasonably well to MOD > format, or to ProTracker -- iff I can work out how to convert it back. > Elsewise, someone else can do the work. Whilst we're on the subject would anyone be interested in all the stuff I did ages ago on ETracker, most of its probably been used on demo's etc, but some of them might make up nice examples for people who wanted to use ETracker, I could probably pick up the discs by Saturday and (Given instructions for reading SAM discs on PC's) upload/email them if anyone's interested ... Lee -- Yawn And Walk North From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 29 20:57:54 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980429155043.006cadc4@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 15:50:43 -0400 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Other tunes.. In-Reply-To: <9804291944.AA18066@asmal.edh-net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1002 Lines: 24 At 09:44 PM 4/29/98 +0200, you wrote: > If anyone's interested, I've got a couple of others as well -- not as dark >> as the Moody one I've been passing around (which I'm thinking of renaming >> as Death of a Friend, as it seems to suit the tune). >> >> One of them's called netFUSION conFUSION, and is a bit of a dancy one. Not >> finished, boring in the middle, needs more work. But it's not a bad >> first-ever-tune. >> >> I've also got one called Clappy. Two minutes long, goes nowhere, but would >> probably make a good hiscore-entry tune. > >nvg is open for you. Hmmm... didn't think of that :) Which directory? I mean, it's not really all that SAMmy (they're fast tracker mods, full o' samples). Simon +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "You know... you can tell someone's vain when they quote themselves | | in their own .sig file..." -- Simon Cooke | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 29 21:04:03 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980429155420.006cec98@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 15:54:20 -0400 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Logic problem Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 406 Lines: 17 Just out of interest, what *IS* the difference between: if and iff ? I mean, they seem to be equivalent. Simon +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "You know... you can tell someone's vain when they quote themselves | | in their own .sig file..." -- Simon Cooke | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 29 21:04:09 1998 From: Nev Young To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Hello Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 19:50:39 GMT Organization: Message-ID: <35477431.762089@post.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2081 Lines: 53 On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 05:23:47 EDT, BrenchleyR wrote: > >Before you persist with this nonsense please look the word up in a decent > >dictionary (such as the Concise Oxford). > > > No, since before Brits started making the mistake of importing a Merkin > spelling of a word we already had. And before anyone starts: a) yes, the word > is diskette, that is valid because it is a made up word, I would use it in > full if needbe. And yes, Program is an Merkin spelling of Programme but in > English the two words now have different meanings. > YTF does it matter any way. Many of the people on this group don't know the difference between your and you're. FYI Chambers twentieth century dictionary 1977 edition (pre 'puters) disc. same as disk. adjs. disc'al, pertaining to or of the nature of, a disk; disc'oid, discoid'al, in the form of a disk: of a capitulum, without ray-flowers(bot.). - ns. discog'raphy, collection, description, etc., of gramophone records: the history or description of musical recording.....blah blah blah see also disk. disk,disc, disk, n. a quoit thrown by ancient Greek athletes: any flat thin circular body or structure: a circular figure, as presented by the sun, moon, and planets: the enlarged torus of a flower: the inner part of a capitulum in composite plants: a layer of fibro cartilage between vertebrae: a gramophone record. blah blah blah see also disc. Collins English dictionary 1994 edition (post 'puters) disc n. flat circular object; gramophone record; anat. circular flat structure in the body, esp. between the vertebrae; computers same as disk, - disk jockey, person who plays blah blah blah disk n, computers storage device, consisting of a stack of plates coated with a magnetic layer, which rotates rapidly as a single unit. (note this is the only description of disk in the modern dictionary) Oxford dictionary of spelling edition 1986 disc (gen) disk (comp.) My conclusion is Bob is wrong wrong wrong wrong and always has been, always is and always will be. hth Nev - with a very big wooden spoon. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 29 21:13:39 1998 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Cc: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Logic problem References: <3.0.1.32.19980429155420.006cec98@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware X-{giggle}: Lots! From: The Giggler Date: 29 Apr 1998 21:09:15 +0100 In-Reply-To: Simon Cooke's message of "Wed, 29 Apr 1998 15:54:20 -0400" Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.66/Emacs 19.34 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 598 Lines: 30 Simon Cooke writes: > Just out of interest, what *IS* the difference between: > > if Known in logic as 'IF' > and iff Known as 'IF AND ONLY IF' The first one (IF) can be demonstarted as IF it is nice THEN i will go outside ie if the weather's nice then I'll go out, but you may also go out if the weather is bad, the statement above doesn't exclude that possibility. On the other hand IFF it is nice THEN i will go outside means that you will go outside IF AND ONLY IF it is nice. ie if it rains you won't go outside. HTH Lee. -- Yawn And Walk North From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 29 21:13:40 1998 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Hello References: <35477431.762089@post.demon.co.uk> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware X-{giggle}: Lots! From: The Giggler Date: 29 Apr 1998 21:11:04 +0100 In-Reply-To: Nev Young's message of "Wed, 29 Apr 1998 19:50:39 GMT" Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.66/Emacs 19.34 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 421 Lines: 17 Nev Young writes: > On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 05:23:47 EDT, BrenchleyR > wrote: > > YTF does it matter any way. > Many of the people on this group don't know the difference between > your and you're. Just holding the side up on behalf of us young whipper-snappers ... Your - means belonging to you You're - is the shortenened form of 'you are' Lee. -- Yawn And Walk North From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 29 21:21:42 1998 Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 22:17:32 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9804292017.AA18096@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Logic problem X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 232 Lines: 22 > Just out of interest, what *IS* the difference between: > > if if is if. > > and > > iff iff is (at least in my book) 'if and only if' -Frode > > ? > > I mean, they seem to be equivalent. Was that clearer? ;) -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 29 21:21:42 1998 Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 22:17:37 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9804292017.AA18099@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Other tunes.. X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 388 Lines: 13 > >nvg is open for you. > > Hmmm... didn't think of that :) > > Which directory? I mean, it's not really all that SAMmy (they're fast > tracker mods, full o' samples). Put them in sam/incoming and I'll make them available somewhere in the sam hiearchy. Then I'll contact the other admins and see if we have a suitable spot. Give a small hint on what it is (supposed to be) :) -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 29 21:36:26 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980429162820.006c2c64@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 16:28:20 -0400 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Other tunes.. In-Reply-To: <9804292017.AA18099@asmal.edh-net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 844 Lines: 21 At 10:17 PM 4/29/98 +0200, you wrote: >> >nvg is open for you. >> >> Hmmm... didn't think of that :) >> >> Which directory? I mean, it's not really all that SAMmy (they're fast >> tracker mods, full o' samples). > >Put them in sam/incoming and I'll make them available somewhere in >the sam hiearchy. Then I'll contact the other admins and see if we >have a suitable spot. Give a small hint on what it is (supposed to >be) :) Ok... I might wait until Death of a Friend is finished before I put it up, but the other two can go up as is for now ;) Simon +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "You know... you can tell someone's vain when they quote themselves | | in their own .sig file..." -- Simon Cooke | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 29 21:58:17 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <508eebb9.3547930b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 16:52:26 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Hello Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 478 Lines: 22 In a message dated 29/04/98 20:03:51, you write: >) > >Oxford dictionary of spelling edition 1986 >disc (gen) >disk (comp.) > >My conclusion is >Bob is wrong wrong wrong wrong and always has been, always is and >always will be. > >hth >Nev - with a very big wooden spoon. As I've said, a dictionary does not define what is right, only what people (who may or may not be right) are using. I would refer people to any good book on the usage of the English language. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 29 22:06:50 1998 Message-Id: <004001bd73b2$039f8200$2914a8c2@sparky> From: Gavin Smith To: sam-users Subject: Re: Hello Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 22:01:39 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 491 Lines: 14 Bob Brenchley wrote: >As I've said, a dictionary does not define what is right, only what people >(who may or may not be right) are using. > >I would refer people to any good book on the usage of the English language. You're one to talk about good grammar and spelling! Ha! Okay everyone, we're all wrong, all the dictionaries are wrong, in fact the whole sodding world is wrong, except Bob. (Guys, you should know better than to try and convince Bob he is in the wrong, by now ;) Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 30 08:37:33 1998 Message-ID: <007801bd740a$0be08380$f03ca8c0@daves-pc.orctel.internal> From: Dave To: sam-users Subject: Re: Hello Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 08:31:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 315 Lines: 14 >As I've said, a dictionary does not define what is right, only what people >(who may or may not be right) are using. Wahay! Bob's last sentence, gentle readers, says a lot about him.... DMZ --- " I think animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and give the wrong answers. " From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 30 09:12:57 1998 From: Matthew Craven Organization: Umist To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 08:36:02 BST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Music! X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <46F59450C0@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 121 Lines: 7 > Shall I send you the up-to-date version then now? Can you send me a copy as well, please? Thanks very much :) MJC. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 30 09:12:57 1998 From: Matthew Craven Organization: Umist To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 08:38:45 BST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Logic problem X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <4700F3620E@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 277 Lines: 14 > Just out of interest, what *IS* the difference between: > if > and > iff > ? > I mean, they seem to be equivalent. If means something implies something else, Iff means if and only if, which is where something implies and is implied by something else. There you go. MJC. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 30 09:31:19 1998 From: Maria Rookyard To: sam-users Subject: Re: Music! Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 09:26:25 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 682 Lines: 22 > > (The new one has at least one bit from (I think) Equinoxe in it). > > BTW: What's Incantations? > > Simon It is (or maybe *was*) a group - that Pan Pipes/Music of the Andes thingy. You must remember it; I played it a few times when we were living together. Didn't you buy a similar tape in Manchester one time? And in answer to the other posting - yes, by all means send the "new improved" version if you want. If it'll take a while to download can you leave it till weekend please. You'll get a full and frank criticism of it just as soon as we have chance to give it a decent listening to :) (but it'll probably not be till after Lyn goes to Bradford) Maria. xxx From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 30 10:02:24 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <129aa8ca.35483d53@aol.com> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 04:58:58 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Hello Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1393 Lines: 37 In a message dated 29/04/98 21:04:01, you write: > >Bob Brenchley wrote: > >>As I've said, a dictionary does not define what is right, only what people >>(who may or may not be right) are using. >> >>I would refer people to any good book on the usage of the English language. > > >You're one to talk about good grammar and spelling! Ha! Okay everyone, we're >all wrong, all the dictionaries are wrong, in fact the whole sodding world >is wrong, except Bob. (Guys, you should know better than to try and convince >Bob he is in the wrong, by now ;) > >Gavin Ye gods! Some people. I'm British, born and bred. I was brought up using English in the British way. In English English DISC is spelt with a C. The word DISKETTE is hardly ever used these days, the shortened version (DISK) has only come into wide spread use in the last 5 or 6 years (if you don't believe that just look back at an old issue of say Computer Shopper, and you will find that adverts were mixed between C and K). Once established as the standard spelling in FORMAT there is no need to change, it is part of the 'house style' where we do our best to keep up a good standard of written English, although, as in any printed work produced to a deadline, there can always be mistakes that are missed. Remember that you record information on the DISC, the circle of material that spins inside the floppy diskette. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 30 10:08:30 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <802565F6.00321A09.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 10:08:44 +0100 Subject: Re: Hello Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 261 Lines: 13 Bob said: >I'm British, born and bred. I was brought up using English in the British way. >In English English DISC is spelt with a C. *grins* Then, if I pick up any copy of Format, I'd expect every occurance of "program" to be spelt as "programme"? Justin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 30 11:04:29 1998 From: John Teare Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 10:58:57 GMT+0 Subject: Re: Hello X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1934 Lines: 50 Hello - it's good to walk back into another argument between Gavin and Bob, makes me feel like I've never been away! > I'm British, born and bred. I was brought up using English in the > British way. In English English DISC is spelt with a C. The word > DISKETTE is hardly ever used these days, the shortened version > (DISK) has only come into wide spread use in the last 5 or 6 years > (if you don't believe that just look back at an old issue of say > Computer Shopper, and you will find that adverts were mixed between > C and K). Erm...would like to dispute this one, but I've got no evidence with me so I'll take your word for it... > > Once established as the standard spelling in FORMAT there is no need > to change, it is part of the 'house style' where we do our best to > keep up a good standard of written English, although, as in any > printed work produced to a deadline, there can always be mistakes > that are missed. The English language is one of the most dynamis languages int he world - it is constantly changing and adopting different spellings, pronunciations and sometimes even meanings for words. How many people write 'an hotel' anymore? Get with the times Bob, and accept that if the whole of the rest of the world calls something a disk then that is indeed what it is called...people define language and its use , it is not set in stone never to be altered for fear of recrimination. > > Remember that you record information on the DISC, the circle of > material that spins inside the floppy diskette. But the actual item is called a disk and when the machine asks you: Please insert disk A you do not remove the circle of material that spins inside the floppy 'diskette' from the floppy 'diskette' and place it in your machine. You are wrong. Thank you and goodnight. > > -- > Bob. Peace, Love, Kisses... Johnna Pig Teare JPOL: http://www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna "Back in the UK..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 30 11:58:09 1998 Message-Id: <000c01bd7426$5d587760$3514a8c2@sparky> From: Gavin Smith To: sam-users Subject: Re: Hello Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 11:54:33 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 888 Lines: 18 From: John Teare >Hello - it's good to walk back into another argument between Gavin >and Bob, makes me feel like I've never been away! As usual I didn't start this one, and as usual I'm not the only one who disagrees with Bob ;) Welcome back anyway. Erm, just one thing Bob - is the March issue of Format out yet? (Never mind the April issue). If it is not out, maybe you would like to spend some time getting the thing out instead of fighting for the sake of fighting? And if it is out, then that damn Gloucester post have lost it, just like they apparently lost two letters to me about my Sam_Clock last year, asking me if I wanted to get my money back (and if there was no reply, the cheque would be cashed) - funny that! Also funny that I've yet to speak to anyone who got the letters, except of course our dear friend Bill Ritman. But I digress... Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 30 12:09:04 1998 From: The Mad Goose Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 12:03:50 GMT+0 Subject: Re: Hello X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1485 Lines: 35 > From: John Teare > > >Hello - it's good to walk back into another argument between Gavin > >and Bob, makes me feel like I've never been away! > > > As usual I didn't start this one, and as usual I'm not the only one > who disagrees with Bob ;) Welcome back anyway. Erm, just one thing > Bob - is the March issue of Format out yet? (Never mind the April > issue). If it is not out, maybe you would like to spend some time > getting the thing out instead of fighting for the sake of fighting? > And if it is out, then that damn Gloucester post have lost it, just > like they apparently lost two letters to me about my Sam_Clock last > year, asking me if I wanted to get my money back (and if there was > no reply, the cheque would be cashed) - funny that! Also funny that > I've yet to speak to anyone who got the letters, except of course > our dear friend Bill Ritman. But I digress... > > Gavin Hurrah! How am I going to last a summer without this banter? If nothing else cheers me up today, the thought that come tomorrow there will be another mail in my mailbox featuring Bob squirming out of this situation and managing to throw some insults Gav's way at the same time. The people may rise, governments may fall - but sam-users is a constant on which I base the bedrock of my life... oh, incidientally, any news on anything sam related...? Peace, Love, Kisses... Johnna Pig Teare JPOL: http://www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna "Back in the UK..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 30 13:15:53 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <802565F6.00435F37.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 13:16:19 +0100 Subject: Re: Hello Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 102 Lines: 7 >oh, incidientally, any news on anything sam related...? SAM?!??! Who the hell is that? ;) Justin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 30 13:18:45 1998 Message-Id: <000e01bd7431$a07e6760$3114a8c2@sparky> From: Gavin Smith To: sam-users Subject: Re: Hello Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 13:15:10 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 869 Lines: 25 From: The Mad Goose >Hurrah! How am I going to last a summer without this banter? If >nothing else cheers me up today, the thought that come tomorrow there >will be another mail in my mailbox featuring Bob squirming out of >this situation and managing to throw some insults Gav's way at the >same time. LOL! We do our best, eh Bob? ;) >oh, incidientally, any news on anything sam related...? A few bits and pieces, I can't remember how long you've been gone for, so not sure what to tell you (two or three weeks wasn't it?) The Atom hard drive is nearly ready, BDOS is starting to shape up very well (nice one Edwin), the multi-talented Simon has written a few tunes which everyone on the list seems to want (are they up on NVG yet Si?), and a few other things which I'm desperately trying to remember for you, but can't - oops. Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 30 13:53:07 1998 From: The Mad Goose Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 13:47:12 GMT+0 Subject: PC question...erm...sorry... X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 497 Lines: 15 Just a quick PC question for somebody who knows absolutely nothing about them... I've like, kind of erased the config.sys file and, well, I can't access the CDROM from DOS. It doesn't seem to have any drivers that work (the one that I've got seems to lock up W95 when I run it...) so has anybody got any ideas about how I go about creating a new config.sys file. sorry for being so thick Peace, Love, Kisses... Johnna Pig Teare JPOL: http://www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna "Back in the UK..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 30 13:57:11 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 08:53:31 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Hello Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 471 Lines: 22 In a message dated 30/04/98 09:06:33, you write: >Bob said: > >>I'm British, born and bred. I was brought up using English in the British >way. >>In English English DISC is spelt with a C. > > >*grins* >Then, if I pick up any copy of Format, I'd expect every occurance of >"program" to be spelt as "programme"? > >Justin > > No, as I said yesterday or the day before, Program and Programme are two different words with totally different meanings in English. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 30 14:08:51 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 09:00:25 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Hello Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1498 Lines: 50 In a message dated 30/04/98 10:02:44, you write: >. > >The English language is one of the most dynamis languages int he >world - it is constantly changing and adopting different spellings, >pronunciations and sometimes even meanings for words. How many people >write 'an hotel' anymore? Everyone I would think. >Get with the times Bob, and accept that if >the whole of the rest of the world calls something a disk then that >is indeed what it is called...people define language and its use , it is not >set >in stone never to be altered for fear of recrimination. All we seek to do is be consistant, the last thing we want is two different spellings of the same word on the same page. I lean towards DISC as the correct spelling, other don't - end of story. >> >> Remember that you record information on the DISC, the circle of >> material that spins inside the floppy diskette. > >But the actual item is called a disk and when the machine asks you: > >Please insert disk A > >you do not remove the circle of material that spins inside the floppy >'diskette' from the floppy 'diskette' and place it in your machine. > >You are wrong. There is not right or wrong. There is correct English, which you will find taught in some schools and laid out in many books, but while there is correct English that does not mean that non-correct English in incorrect. > >Thank you and goodnight. > Oh, goodnight, sllep well. >> >> -- >> Bob. > >Peace, Love, Kisses... >Johnna Pig Teare -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 30 14:08:51 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <3c002398.35487647@aol.com> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 09:01:58 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Hello Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 140 Lines: 14 In a message dated 30/04/98 10:56:15, you write: > >Gavin > > > > * PLONK * Sorry folks, but I've had enough of him yet again. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 30 14:09:02 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <9f05919.354876a9@aol.com> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 09:03:36 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Hello Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 208 Lines: 12 In a message dated 30/04/98 11:07:02, you write: > >oh, incidientally, any news on anything sam related...? > >Peace, Love, Kisses... >Johnna Pig Teare Fred now in the hands of Allen Clarkson. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 30 14:20:20 1998 From: The Mad Goose Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 14:11:08 GMT+0 Subject: Re: Hello X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 672 Lines: 25 > In a message dated 30/04/98 11:07:02, you write: > > > > >oh, incidientally, any news on anything sam related...? > > > >Peace, Love, Kisses... > >Johnna Pig Teare > > Fred now in the hands of Allen Clarkson. Interesting! Is that the whole company, or just the magazine? I must admit, I dug out my SAM for the first time in about ten months when I was home for Easter and whilst it is still a complete joke as a 'computer' it is rather good fun to play some of the old games. And it runs Speccy games better than any PC emultor I've seen... > > -- > Bob. Peace, Love, Kisses... Johnna Pig Teare JPOL: http://www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna "Back in the UK..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 30 14:27:16 1998 Message-Id: <003301bd743a$93722b20$3014a8c2@sparky> From: Gavin Smith To: sam-users Subject: Re: Hello Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 14:19:13 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 107 Lines: 9 From: BrenchleyR >Fred now in the hands of Allen Clarkson. > >-- >Bob. You sure? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 30 14:27:18 1998 Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:22:53 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9804301322.AA22457@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: PC question...erm...sorry... X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 532 Lines: 14 > > Just a quick PC question for somebody who knows absolutely nothing > about them... > > I've like, kind of erased the config.sys file and, well, I can't > access the CDROM from DOS. It doesn't seem to have any drivers that > work (the one that I've got seems to lock up W95 when I run it...) so > has anybody got any ideas about how I go about creating a new > config.sys file. Did you try undelete? Otherwise you should be able to copy a config.sys from a relatively equally equiped PC and get along with that. -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 30 14:27:18 1998 From: The Mad Goose Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 14:15:03 GMT+0 Subject: Re: Hello X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1379 Lines: 42 > > > >The English language is one of the most dynamis languages int he > >world - it is constantly changing and adopting different spellings, > > pronunciations and sometimes even meanings for words. How many > >people write 'an hotel' anymore? > > Everyone I would think. You'd be surprised. A lot of people aren't even taught that at school any more... > > > All we seek to do is be consistant, the last thing we want is two > different spellings of the same word on the same page. I lean > towards DISC as the correct spelling, other don't - end of story. Fair enough. But you are in a very small minority. I think eventually the languague will evolve and accept that the spelling with a K is the on ethat should be used. > >You are wrong. > > There is not right or wrong. There is correct English, which you > will find taught in some schools and laid out in many books, but > while there is correct English that does not mean that non-correct > English in incorrect. Suppose that is the joy of having such a flexible language. God, I'm starting to sound like my old English tutor now... > >Thank you and goodnight. > Oh, goodnight, sllep well. I decided to stay up a few hours more - it's hard work being a student, but somebody's got to do it... ;-) Peace, Love, Kisses... Johnna Pig Teare JPOL: http://www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna "Back in the UK..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 30 14:30:26 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <802565F6.0049AE83.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 14:29:54 +0100 Subject: Re: Hello Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 981 Lines: 39 >>Bob said: >> >>>I'm British, born and bred. I was brought up using English in the British >>way. >>>In English English DISC is spelt with a C. >> >> >>*grins* >>Then, if I pick up any copy of Format, I'd expect every occurance of >>"program" to be spelt as "programme"? >> >>Justin >> >> > >No, as I said yesterday or the day before, Program and Programme are two >different words with totally different meanings in English. American English European English ---------------- ---------------- Program Programme Catalog Catalogue Color Colour Center Centre Organize Organise Disk Disc ie, they ALL have the same meanings!!!!! Want more examples? No? Be consistent then! :) Just that 99% of computing terms are American in origin and therefore normally used in computing circles Justin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 30 14:37:52 1998 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Hello References: X-Mammoth-Status: Aware X-{giggle}: Lots! From: The Giggler Date: 30 Apr 1998 14:30:10 +0100 In-Reply-To: BrenchleyR's message of "Thu, 30 Apr 1998 09:00:25 EDT" Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.66/Emacs 19.34 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1157 Lines: 30 BrenchleyR writes: > In a message dated 30/04/98 10:02:44, you write: > > >The English language is one of the most dynamis languages int he > >world - it is constantly changing and adopting different spellings, > >pronunciations and sometimes even meanings for words. How many people > >write 'an hotel' anymore? > > Everyone I would think. Which proves quite considerably how out of touch you are with modern English usage. Although I understand that by the grammar rules I was taught at school it strictly should be an hotel, I would almost certainly always write a hotel since usage has changed and I would not say an hotel, so I don't write it like that ... > All we seek to do is be consistant, the last thing we want is two different > spellings of the same word on the same page. I lean towards DISC as the > correct spelling, other don't - end of story. Ahh, I agree here, you should stick to the one you use, all everyone's been asking was not to try and force your preference on everyone else ... (Seems to be a somewhat recurrent theme that ...) FWIW I use disc, always have done ... Lee. -- Yawn And Walk North From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 30 14:54:25 1998 Message-Id: <006201bd743e$77d53de0$3014a8c2@sparky> From: Gavin Smith To: sam-users Subject: Re: Hello Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 14:47:05 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 829 Lines: 26 From: BrenchleyR >>Gavin >> >> >> >> > >* PLONK * > >Sorry folks, but I've had enough of him yet again. >-- >Bob. Aha! Was this the message in which I told everyone that you're conning your customers? Touchy subject eh Bob? That's your reply? "Plonk"? If anyone on this list actually ordered the Sam_Clock (I ordered it as I (perhaps, stupidly) order nearly everything that comes out for the SAM, just to support it), then please let me know if you got letters about it last year, asking if the cheque should be cancelled or not. I think this is a serious matter, and Bob shouldn't be allowed to get away with it. Why didn't you put the letters in with issues of Format Bob? Strange the way the two letters got lost, but no Formats did. Anyone give me some info about the small claims court please? Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 30 15:24:13 1998 Date: Thu, 30 Apr 98 15:14:28 GMT Message-ID: <1042_OASIS_@lhutz.demon.co.uk> From: James@lhutz.demon.co.uk (James R Curry) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Mailer: OASIS Post Box (Atari) v1.31E Subject: Re: Hello X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1005 Lines: 34 In E-Mail <004001bd73b2$039f8200$2914a8c2@sparky> "Gavin Smith" wrote:- >Bob Brenchley wrote: > >>As I've said, a dictionary does not define what is right, only what people >>(who may or may not be right) are using. >> >>I would refer people to any good book on the usage of the English language. > > >You're one to talk about good grammar and spelling! Ha! Okay everyone, we're >all wrong, all the dictionaries are wrong, in fact the whole sodding world >is wrong, except Bob. (Guys, you should know better than to try and convince >Bob he is in the wrong, by now ;) Maybe someone should ask Samsboss which spelling of "Dis(k/c)" he prefers? ;) __ James R Curry - James@lhutz.demon.co.uk "You're missing the point! The individual doesn't matter. It was a team effort, and I was the one who came up with the whole team idea...me!" - Homer Simpson, The Simpsons. Please insert meaningless promise about The Official James R Curry web page here... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 30 15:24:18 1998 Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:20:52 +0100 (BST) From: D A Fulton To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Logic problem In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980429155420.006cec98@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 144 Lines: 16 > Just out of interest, what *IS* the difference between: > > if > > and > > iff > If means "if" Iff means "If and only if" HTH Dave. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 30 18:27:04 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: <31df72d2.3548b2fb@aol.com> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 13:20:58 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: SimCoupe v0.78 developement snapshot release Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows sub 178 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 275 Lines: 10 I am having problems getting this to work in DOS on a P133 with plug&play sound card. Should I be getting sound? If not could someone tell me what I'm doing wrong. System is P133, ABIT board, unknown sound card, dual boot system with DOS 6.22 or Windows 95. Thanks. Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 30 18:34:57 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: <7a35c4a6.3548b493@aol.com> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 13:27:45 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Hello Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown sub 178 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 929 Lines: 36 In a message dated 30/04/98 14:33:47, you write: > > In E-Mail <004001bd73b2$039f8200$2914a8c2@sparky> > "Gavin Smith" wrote:- > > >Bob Brenchley wrote: > > > >>As I've said, a dictionary does not define what is right, only what people > >>(who may or may not be right) are using. > >> > >>I would refer people to any good book on the usage of the English language. > > > > > > >You're one to talk about good grammar and spelling! Ha! Okay everyone, we' > re > >all wrong, all the dictionaries are wrong, in fact the whole sodding world > >is wrong, except Bob. (Guys, you should know better than to try and > convince > >Bob he is in the wrong, by now ;) > > Maybe someone should ask Samsboss which spelling of "Dis(k/c)" he > prefers? Does it really matter - most people can't spell these days. > > ;) > __ > > James R Curry - James@lhutz.demon.co.uk Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 30 19:50:59 1998 Message-ID: <354681C4.63D0@postmaster.co.uk> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 18:26:28 -0700 From: David Ledbury Organization: The Foundation for Green Eggs & Ham X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Hello References: <003301bd743a$93722b20$3014a8c2@sparky> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 174 Lines: 12 Gavin Smith wrote: > > From: BrenchleyR > > >Fred now in the hands of Allen Clarkson. > > > >-- > >Bob. > > You sure? Bob *never* makes mistakes. :) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 30 19:51:00 1998 Message-ID: <35468045.1D04@postmaster.co.uk> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 18:20:05 -0700 From: David Ledbury Organization: The Foundation for Green Eggs & Ham X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: PC question...erm...sorry... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 503 Lines: 17 The Mad Goose wrote: > > Just a quick PC question for somebody who knows absolutely nothing > about them... > > I've like, kind of erased the config.sys file and, well, I can't > access the CDROM from DOS. It doesn't seem to have any drivers that > work (the one that I've got seems to lock up W95 when I run it...) so > has anybody got any ideas about how I go about creating a new > config.sys file. Have you tried to unerase it? > sorry for being so thick You're in good company round here :) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 30 20:19:03 1998 Message-Id: <199804301916.VAA29260@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: Sam users Subject: Bob, Bill and Boss Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 21:18:50 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 146 Lines: 7 -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Mind you if we call you "Bruce", it might otherwise cause some confusion. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 30 21:44:51 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980430163715.006c55c0@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:37:15 -0400 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Hello In-Reply-To: <000e01bd7431$a07e6760$3114a8c2@sparky> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 741 Lines: 17 At 01:15 PM 4/30/98 +0100, you wrote: >the multi-talented Simon has written a few tunes which everyone on >the list seems to want (are they up on NVG yet Si?), and a few other things >which I'm desperately trying to remember for you, but can't - oops. Not yet... The thing I don't get is that no-one has told me yet if they're /any good/. It's all very well telling me the everyone wants them, but I personally think they're not up to snuff. Simon +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "You know... you can tell someone's vain when they quote themselves | | in their own .sig file..." -- Simon Cooke | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 30 21:44:52 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980430163621.006c32ac@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:36:21 -0400 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Cheap wine Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 376 Lines: 9 Nahh.. you want a nice Southern Australian white wine... not that cheap Simon +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "You know... you can tell someone's vain when they quote themselves | | in their own .sig file..." -- Simon Cooke | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 30 22:49:18 1998 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 22:36:30 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Ian Dalziel Subject: Re: Hello In-Reply-To: <508eebb9.3547930b@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.04 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 592 Lines: 22 In article <508eebb9.3547930b@aol.com>, BrenchleyR writes >>disc (gen) >>disk (comp.) >> >>My conclusion is >>Bob is wrong wrong wrong wrong and always has been, always is and >>always will be. >I would refer people to any good book on the usage of the English language. > fowler's Modern English Usage quotes the OED that "The earlier and better spelling is disk" but says that disc is now the popular form. Doesn't mention "right" or "wrong" any more than I would. So what's this "good" book that knows better than Fowler? Ritman's English Usage? -- Ian Dalziel From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 30 22:49:19 1998 Message-ID: <4U0kHGAJBPS1Iwzr@idalziel.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 22:42:33 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Ian Dalziel Subject: Re: Hello In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.04 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 302 Lines: 11 In article , BrenchleyR writes >but while there is correct >English that does not mean that non-correct English in incorrect. What's the Net abbreviation for "collapses babbling in the corner?" Er... Is non-black unadjacent to white? -- Ian Dalziel From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 30 23:08:08 1998 Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 18:04:44 -0400 From: Gordon Wallis <101762.2062@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Another tedious email... To: "INTERNET:sam-users@nvg.unit.no" Message-ID: <199804301804_MC2-3B8F-3512@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 636 Lines: 15 Message text written by INTERNET:sam-users@nvg.unit.no >>How come you pop every now and then, just to complain about what people are >talking about on the list, when in fact you contribute nothing of interest >yourself? I'm not interested in everything that goes on this list, but I >just delete the appropriate ones, it only takes a second. I think people are >starting to get worried about what they actually *can* write about. That's true. If babbling wasn't allowed, the list would end up deader than it is. < And look, the original mail came from AOL... Who do we know that subscribes to AOL (strokes chin thoughtfully)...hmmmm. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 30 23:20:38 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: POSTMASTER From: Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <802565F6.007AAE9B.00@uks.postmaster.co.uk> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 23:20:15 +0100 Subject: Re: Hello Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 403 Lines: 22 | | Maybe someone should ask Samsboss which spelling of "Dis(k/c)" he | prefers? | | ;) I prefer 'coin'. As it happens, I was taught disc at school, but then we had BBCs and of course the BBC never have been good at English have they :) -- Samsboss - The One And Only. Accept No Others. ___________________________________ To sign up for a free email account, visit http://www.postmaster.co.uk. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 30 23:25:43 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: POSTMASTER From: Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <802565F6.007B27C7.00@uks.postmaster.co.uk> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 23:25:13 +0100 Subject: Re: PC question...erm...sorry... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 877 Lines: 33 | Just a quick PC question for somebody who knows absolutely nothing | about them... | | I've like, kind of erased the config.sys file and, well, I can't | access the CDROM from DOS. It doesn't seem to have any drivers that | work (the one that I've got seems to lock up W95 when I run it...) so | has anybody got any ideas about how I go about creating a new | config.sys file. | | sorry for being so thick | | Peace, Love, Kisses... | Johnna Pig Teare You should have had a floppy disk(c) with your WIN 95 system that is there to boot to the CD when you do a clean install. That will have the basic CD ROM drivers for the popular makes on it. | JPOL: http://www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna | "Back in the UK..." -- Samsboss - The One And Only. Accept No Others. ___________________________________ To sign up for a free email account, visit http://www.postmaster.co.uk. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 30 23:48:31 1998 Message-Id: <199804302245.XAA04470@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 23:44:42 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Music! In-reply-to: <35441408.7FD9@postmaster.co.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 572 Lines: 12 > > Just out of interest, if anyone wants some music for a new game / project, > > I've been working on a tune. > > It's in XM format (sample based), but should convert reasonably well to MOD > > format, or to ProTracker -- iff I can work out how to convert it back. > > Elsewise, someone else can do the work. umm.. yeh, as it happens.. could i have a copy of it? i'm always eager to hear / get hold of new tunes for possible projects of mine (pending the arrival of my MOD -> MIDI convertor) have you tried www.groove.org for their groovycompo? outta interest? dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 30 23:58:36 1998 Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 18:55:27 -0400 From: Gordon Wallis <101762.2062@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Hello To: "INTERNET:sam-users@nvg.unit.no" Message-ID: <199804301856_MC2-3B8A-9C9E@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1987 Lines: 43 Message text written by INTERNET:sam-users@nvg.unit.no >>I would refer people to any good book on the usage of the English language. > fowler's Modern English Usage quotes the OED that "The earlier and better spelling is disk" but says that disc is now the popular form. < Oh, God, I have tried to be strong, I have tried to resist, but I *must* add my own little 2p's worth... Someone in an earlier posting said that the word 'dikette' is made up, specifically for use as 'computer diskette'. I was taught that 'diskette' is a German word for (strangely) 'disc' (or, in fact, 'disk', as either spelling is correct). Computer 'disks' are a contraction of 'diskettes', as the Americans can't handle computer terminology which incorporates more than one syllable. Someone should ask Fowler how (s)he defines 'popular', as we have both 'compact discs' and 'floppy disks' in popular and general use. Also, I've never considered Oxford (especially the Concise Oxford) to be a definitive (ahem) source of spelling or explanation of meaning. Encyclopaedia Britannica (which, please note, *is* American) lists... 'Disc Jockey...also Disk Jockey' - the spelling here is basically irrelevant, but disC is most appropriate. 'Computer memory:...Floppy disk...Hard disk...Compact Disc-Read-Only Memory...Magneto-optical disks. The pattern here is that, ignoring the 'American*' bit above, if it's computer related, it's disK. If not, it's disC. (*Let's not get all xenophobic, now. Americans are people too.) That point about 'organise' vs. 'organize', as I was taught, IZE is the Americanism, 'cos otherwise they'd organice. On a simliarly arguementative theme, is Basic called Basic 'cos it's basic, or is it called B.A.S.I.C. 'cos it's a Beginner's All-purpose Symbolic Instruction Code? Does anyone care? I'm bored with this thread. I think some of you should have cold showers more often, you're way too excitable - "flame bait"!? (asleep as I type, and hoping it was all a bad dream).