From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 1 00:13:12 1998 From: Dean Liversidge To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 00:07:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Hello In-reply-to: <802565F6.00435F37.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 110 Lines: 7 > > SAM?!??! Who the hell is that? ;) Thats Bob, but the non-correct spelling version. -- Dean Liversidge From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 1 00:13:13 1998 From: Dean Liversidge To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 00:07:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: PC question...erm...sorry... In-reply-to: Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 667 Lines: 19 > Just a quick PC question for somebody who knows absolutely nothing > about them... > > I've like, kind of erased the config.sys file and, well, I can't > access the CDROM from DOS. It doesn't seem to have any drivers that > work (the one that I've got seems to lock up W95 when I run it...) so > has anybody got any ideas about how I go about creating a new > config.sys file. Which CDROM you got, and whats the file name of the .SYS driver your using. Manufacture if you dont know it can be worked out from model shown in Control Panel/System/Device Manager/CDRom. Mail me your Config.sys & Autoexec.bat and i'll see what i can do. -- Dean Liversidge From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 1 00:13:13 1998 From: Dean Liversidge To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 00:07:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Bob, Bill and Boss In-reply-to: <199804301916.VAA29260@mailserv.caiw.nl> Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 134 Lines: 16 What a good idea. BB: Isn't like nice and peacefull now, maybe everybody should do the same! -- Dean Liversidge From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 1 00:15:07 1998 From: Dean Liversidge To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 00:10:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: PC question...erm...sorry... In-reply-to: <802565F6.007B27C7.00@uks.postmaster.co.uk> Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 301 Lines: 14 > > You should have had a floppy disk(c) with your WIN 95 system that is there > to > boot to the CD when you do a clean install. That will have the basic CD ROM > > drivers for the popular makes on it. Unfortunatly, not always, some PC builders didn't do a proper job..... -- Dean Liversidge From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 1 00:37:09 1998 Message-Id: <002701bd7490$62721c00$2714a8c2@sparky> From: Gavin Smith To: sam-users Subject: I'm very, very sorry... Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 00:33:28 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 648 Lines: 11 I'm truly very sorry to have to say this, I wish I never had to mention the bloody names again, but I'd just like to point out (in case you hadn't noticed), that on the very same day that Bob put me in his kill file (because I asked him what happened to my late Formats, and also because I asked SAM_Clock buyers if they had received the letters that were apparently sent out) - that Bill Ritman and Samsboss suddenly reappear so that Bob can make his nasty comments to me and others, without ruining his own good (hah!) name. Please Mr. List Owner, can we get rid of them once and for all, so that we never ever have to mention them again? Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 1 03:52:01 1998 Date: Fri, 1 May 98 02:35:44 GMT Message-ID: <1043_OASIS_@lhutz.demon.co.uk> From: James@lhutz.demon.co.uk (James R Curry) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Mailer: OASIS Post Box (Atari) v1.31E Subject: Re: Hello X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 534 Lines: 23 In E-Mail <9f05919.354876a9@aol.com> BrenchleyR wrote:- >Fred now in the hands of Allen Clarkson. Not according to Allan when I talked to him on the phone, yesterday, it wasn't... __ James R Curry - James@lhutz.demon.co.uk "You're missing the point! The individual doesn't matter. It was a team effort, and I was the one who came up with the whole team idea...me!" - Homer Simpson, The Simpsons. Please insert meaningless promise about The Official James R Curry web page here... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 1 12:05:42 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <743a0684.3549aae1@aol.com> Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 06:58:40 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: PC question...erm...sorry... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 834 Lines: 26 In a message dated 30/04/98 13:00:03, you write: > >Just a quick PC question for somebody who knows absolutely nothing >about them... > >I've like, kind of erased the config.sys file and, well, I can't >access the CDROM from DOS. It doesn't seem to have any drivers that >work (the one that I've got seems to lock up W95 when I run it...) so >has anybody got any ideas about how I go about creating a new >config.sys file. > >sorry for being so thick > >Peace, Love, Kisses... >Johnna Pig Teare Two ideas for you. First, there should be a set of 'universal' CD drivers on your Win95 boot disc. I don't have one at the mo, but have the Win3.1 version which I could zip and email to you if you want. Second, try the WWW - as long as you know the make of drive you have you should be able to get something downloaded. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 1 12:05:43 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 06:58:42 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Hello Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 955 Lines: 29 In a message dated 30/04/98 13:30:26, you write: > >American English European English >---------------- ---------------- > >Program Programme >Catalog Catalogue >Color Colour >Center Centre >Organize Organise >Disk Disc > >ie, they ALL have the same meanings!!!!! Program in the US has the same meaning as Programme, however, it also has an extra meaning in English - namely "A set of instructions to be carried out by a computer". It is this extra meaning that has led to its use in English English. The correct spelling of Organize is always with a Z. The S spelling does not appear in most dictionaries until you reach something larger than the COED. The OED's guide to correct English says that (in most cases) IZE is always preferable to ISE. HTH. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 1 12:05:44 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 06:58:43 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Hello Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 240 Lines: 12 In a message dated 30/04/98 13:30:26, you write: > >Just that 99% of computing terms are American in origin and therefore >normally used in computing circles > >Justin. Oh, excuse me, and which country invented computers then? -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 1 12:05:45 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <82771f0f.3549aae6@aol.com> Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 06:58:45 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Hello Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2200 Lines: 57 In a message dated 30/04/98 13:38:27, you write: > >BrenchleyR writes: > >> In a message dated 30/04/98 10:02:44, you write: >> >> >The English language is one of the most dynamis languages int he >> >world - it is constantly changing and adopting different spellings, >> >pronunciations and sometimes even meanings for words. How many people >> >write 'an hotel' anymore? >> >> Everyone I would think. > >Which proves quite considerably how out of touch you are with modern >English usage. Although I understand that by the grammar rules I was >taught at school it strictly should be an hotel, I would almost >certainly always write a hotel since usage has changed and I would not >say an hotel, so I don't write it like that ... Funny, but until you mentioned it I had never come across that one. The rules of 'an' are simple enough, why would someone write 'a' when they should use 'an'? > >> All we seek to do is be consistant, the last thing we want is two different >> spellings of the same word on the same page. I lean towards DISC as the >> correct spelling, other don't - end of story. > >Ahh, I agree here, you should stick to the one you use, all everyone's >been asking was not to try and force your preference on everyone else ... >(Seems to be a somewhat recurrent theme that ...) Now slow down a bit. All I did was to point out, in a fairly light-hearted manner, that some people make the mistake of using DISK when in English DISC is the correct spelling. I use ORGANIZE (again, the correct English spelling) but I know a lot of people use ORGANISE. Until about four years ago ITV used the S spelling while the BBC used the Z spelling - now both seem to use S. Why? I don't know, it may just be common usage - but common usage does not make it right. I have explained why words are used in the magazines I publish. Many people writing to me, in particular those who have had anything to do with PCs, tend to use DISK - but there are many who use DISC. I'm not trying to force my use of English on to other people - although I will try to point out what is correct English. > >FWIW I use disc, always have done ... Good for you. > >Lee. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 1 12:05:46 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 06:58:47 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Hello Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 866 Lines: 27 In a message dated 01/05/98 02:50:56, you write: > In E-Mail <9f05919.354876a9@aol.com> > BrenchleyR wrote:- > > >>Fred now in the hands of Allen Clarkson. > >Not according to Allan when I talked to him on the phone, yesterday, >it wasn't... > > Having spoken to Colin there seems to be some last minute hitch - Allan has slight cold feet - he needs a little more encouragement if anyone would like to get on to him. He is, in my opinion, the ideal choice to try and pull FRED back from the state it has got into. His past experiance and the fact that he is well known in the SAM world can't do anything but help the SAM cause. I know he was all set to make a start with the Gloucester show but Darren let him down but not getting the FRED stuff to him on time. Let us all hope that he can be encouraged to take on the task. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 1 12:05:47 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <2ce0d50f.3549aae3@aol.com> Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 06:58:41 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Hello Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 182 Lines: 12 In a message dated 30/04/98 13:14:39, you write: >> Fred now in the hands of Allen Clarkson. > >Interesting! Is that the whole company, or just the magazine? > > Both. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 1 12:05:47 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 06:58:46 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Hello Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1051 Lines: 37 In a message dated 30/04/98 21:50:41, you write: >o > >In article <508eebb9.3547930b@aol.com>, BrenchleyR >writes >>>disc (gen) >>>disk (comp.) >>> >>>My conclusion is >>>Bob is wrong wrong wrong wrong and always has been, always is and >>>always will be. > >>I would refer people to any good book on the usage of the English language. >> > >fowler's Modern English Usage quotes the OED that "The earlier and >better spelling is disk" but says that disc is now the popular form. It is not widely known, but there was one a rival to the OED published by Cambridge Uni. Because of their bias towards Greek (as against Oxford's bias towards Latin) most of their words saw C replaced with K because the is no C in greek. > >Doesn't mention "right" or "wrong" any more than I would. > >So what's this "good" book that knows better than Fowler? I take the definitive (if such a thing really exists) as 'The Oxford Guide To English Usage' published by Oxford University Press. > >Ritman's English Usage? >-- >Ian Dalziel -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 1 12:34:09 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980501072704.006ce2d0@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 07:27:04 -0400 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Hello In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 650 Lines: 18 At 06:58 AM 5/1/98 EDT, you wrote: >Oh, excuse me, and which country invented computers then? England. But America marketed them. ;) Besides... IBM? You know, big company, used to be the only choice, "nobody ever got fired for buying", etc? 'samerican. Which is why most computing terms are American in origin, as that's where the big boom was first. Simon +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "You know... you can tell someone's vain when they quote themselves | | in their own .sig file..." -- Simon Cooke | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 1 12:48:29 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980501073925.006cebc0@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 07:39:25 -0400 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Hello In-Reply-To: <82771f0f.3549aae6@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id MAA11175 Status: RO Content-Length: 3952 Lines: 86 At 06:58 AM 5/1/98 EDT, you wrote: >Funny, but until you mentioned it I had never come across that one. The rules >of 'an' are simple enough, why would someone write 'a' when they should use >'an'? Say it aloud... "I'm staying in an hotel", "I'm staying in a hotel" "I'm staying in an hospital", "I'm staying in an hospital". Written English has moved more and more towards the spoken form as time goes on. The n and the hard h collide in spoken English. This is (basically) because a consonant->vowel or vowel->consonant transition is easy to pronounce, but a consonant->consonant transition requires (effectively) a pause to be introduced while your tongue works out how to get to the right sound. (The same reason lies behind why people say "err" and "umm" -- because those sounds are easily transformed into the start of a new word. They're nice, idle, mutable pauses). In a similar vein though, how many people use "'phone" instead of "phone" these days? Or more recently, what was "e-mail" is now (at least in the UK) "email". In the US it's still flickering between the two as the vocabulary shifts. It's quite interesting to watch. And people don't always follow that rule about not starting sentences on a conjunction either (though I always use it more for effect and to give a more conversational tone). Language shifts. It's a fluid, living organism. >Now slow down a bit. All I did was to point out, in a fairly light-hearted >manner, that some people make the mistake of using DISK when in English DISC >is the correct spelling. I use ORGANIZE (again, the correct English spelling) >but I know a lot of people use ORGANISE. Until about four years ago ITV used >the S spelling while the BBC used the Z spelling - now both seem to use S. >Why? I don't know, it may just be common usage - but common usage does not >make it right. Hmmmm.... how odd. Here's an American dictionary entry: "organize organize (ôr´ge-nìz´) verb organized, organizing, organizes verb, transitive 1.To put together into an orderly, functional, structured whole. 2.a. To arrange in a coherent form; systematize: organized her thoughts before speaking. b. To arrange in a desired pattern or structure: "The painting is organized about a young reaper enjoying his noonday rest" (William Carlos Williams). 3.To arrange systematically for harmonious or united action: organize a strike. See synonyms at arrange. 4.a. To establish as an organization: organize a club. See synonyms at found1. b. To induce (employees) to form or join a labor union. c. To induce the employees of (a business or an industry) to form or join a union: organize a factory. verb, intransitive 1.To develop into or assume an organic structure. 2.To form or join an activist group, especially a labor union. [Middle English organisen, from Old French organiser, from Medieval Latin organizâre, from Latin organum, tool, instrument. See organ.] Excerpted from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Third Edition © 1996 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Electronic version licensed from INSO Corporation; further reproduction and distribution in accordance with the Copyright Law of the United States. All rights reserved." >From the Middle English variant, you can see that it was originally "Organise". In fact, I remember reading somewhere that until the late 1700's, the English spelling was indeed "organize". Somewhere we shifted, and the American's who went over on the dingy kept their spelling. Simon ps. I used to use disc, and then swapped to disk, and then didn't realise when I was typing compact disk that I was getting it wrong. Which I am. But never mind ;) +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "You know... you can tell someone's vain when they quote themselves | | in their own .sig file..." -- Simon Cooke | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 1 14:39:50 1998 From: Matthew Craven Organization: Umist To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 14:36:51 BST Subject: Re: Hello X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.31 Message-ID: <64F8A85FE5@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 144 Lines: 6 > Oh, excuse me, and which country invented computers then? England invented the first computer in the modern-day sense of the concept. MJC. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 1 14:44:58 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <802565F7.003E146B.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 14:46:12 +0100 Subject: Re: Hello Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 393 Lines: 17 Bob: >>Just that 99% of computing terms are American in origin and therefore >>normally used in computing circles >> >>Justin. > >Oh, excuse me, and which country invented computers then? Mr. Charles Babbage in England. Doesn't change the fact that the biggest influences to computing are IBM, Intel and Microsoft. Which, suprisingly enough, are AMERICAN!!!! Thank you. Goodnight! Justin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 1 15:26:50 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: POSTMASTER From: Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <802565F7.004EC829.00@uks.postmaster.co.uk> Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 15:20:34 +0100 Subject: Re: I'm very, very sorry... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1137 Lines: 34 | I'm truly very sorry to have to say this, I wish I never had to mention the | bloody names again, but I'd just like to point out (in case you hadn't | noticed), that on the very same day that Bob put me in his kill file | (because I asked him what happened to my late Formats, and also because I | asked SAM_Clock buyers if they had received the letters that were apparently | sent out) - that Bill Ritman and Samsboss suddenly reappear I think it may have escaped your attention that may name was mentioned in a posting, resulting in a reply from me. I'll pass my own insults to people who earn them (like you), I don't need Bob or anyone to hurl them for me. |so that Bob can | make his nasty comments to me and others, without ruining his own good | (hah!) name. Please Mr. List Owner, can we get rid of them once and for all, | so that we never ever have to mention them again? Hohohohoh, Gavin starts to cry because some of us don't like him - how sad. | | Gavin -- Samsboss - The One And Only. Accept No Others. ___________________________________ To sign up for a free email account, visit http://www.postmaster.co.uk. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 1 16:58:13 1998 From: Maria Rookyard To: SAM Users Mailing List Subject: Spellings Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 16:54:33 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 216 Lines: 11 The more everyone keeps quoting dictionaries, the more it just encourages certain people to keep harping on. Why not organise your time more productively, and just get on with stuff that really matters? Maria. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 1 17:25:28 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <802565F7.005A238B.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 17:27:05 +0100 Subject: Re: Spellings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 197 Lines: 10 Maria wrte: >Why not organise your time more productively, and just get on with stuff >that really matters? What? Like do some work instead of reading/replying to the SAM users list? :) Justin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 1 18:52:57 1998 Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 13:48:17 -0400 From: Gordon Wallis <101762.2062@compuserve.com> Subject: Spellings To: "INTERNET:sam-users@nvg.unit.no" Message-ID: <199805011348_MC2-3BA1-CD52@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 323 Lines: 11 Message text written by INTERNET:sam-users@nvg.unit.no >The more everyone keeps quoting dictionaries, the more it just encourages certain people to keep harping on. Why not organise your time more productively, and just get on with stuff that really matters? Maria.< Why does the voice of Reason *always* sound female? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat May 2 03:30:20 1998 Message-Id: <199805020004.BAA17842@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Paul Walker Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 01:04:09 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Hello In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 274 Lines: 9 > Oh, excuse me, and which country invented computers then? Relevance to today's terms? Paul -- ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ---- FidoNet: 2:254/60.11 2:442/103.13 ---> http://www.trak-one.co.uk/foti <--- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat May 2 03:35:04 1998 Message-Id: <199805020004.BAA17848@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Paul Walker Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 01:04:09 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Hello In-reply-to: <82771f0f.3549aae6@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 384 Lines: 12 > Why? I don't know, it may just be common usage - but common usage does not > make it right. Does this mean that we'll start seeing the word "cracker" instead of "hacker" used in Format? Ace. :) Paul -- ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ---- FidoNet: 2:254/60.11 2:442/103.13 ---> http://www.trak-one.co.uk/foti <--- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat May 2 03:35:07 1998 Message-Id: <199805020004.BAA17845@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Paul Walker Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 01:04:09 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Spellings In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 424 Lines: 12 > The more everyone keeps quoting dictionaries, the more it just encourages > certain people to keep harping on. The phrase "who cares" has sprung to mind more than once, I have to admit. :) Disc, disk, everyone knows what people mean. Paul -- ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ---- FidoNet: 2:254/60.11 2:442/103.13 ---> http://www.trak-one.co.uk/foti <--- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat May 2 16:22:33 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: <31e534a7.354ae813@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 05:32:02 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Hello Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows sub 178 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 559 Lines: 26 In a message dated 01/05/98 13:42:58, you write: > > Bob: > >>Just that 99% of computing terms are American in origin and therefore > >>normally used in computing circles > >> > >>Justin. > > > >Oh, excuse me, and which country invented computers then? > > Mr. Charles Babbage in England. > Doesn't change the fact that the biggest influences to computing are IBM, > Intel and Microsoft. Which, suprisingly enough, are AMERICAN!!!! > > > Thank you. Goodnight! > > Justin > > > > You forgot to mention Sir Clive Sinclair. Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat May 2 16:22:37 1998 From: Nev Young To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Hello Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 10:05:34 GMT Organization: Message-ID: <3557e679.6025743@post.demon.co.uk> References: <4U0kHGAJBPS1Iwzr@idalziel.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4U0kHGAJBPS1Iwzr@idalziel.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 513 Lines: 19 On Thu, 30 Apr 1998 22:42:33 +0100, Ian Dalziel wrote: > In article , BrenchleyR > writes > >but while there is correct > >English that does not mean that non-correct English in incorrect. > > What's the Net abbreviation for "collapses babbling in the corner?" ROTFBIC hth > > Er... Is non-black unadjacent to white? only when they're non-contigious. > -- Nev - no longer at nevilley@ndirect.co.uk and getting no spam at all (yet) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat May 2 16:22:37 1998 From: Nev Young To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Hello Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 10:05:37 GMT Organization: Message-ID: <3558e6d9.6121655@post.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 312 Lines: 16 On Thu, 30 Apr 1998 09:00:25 EDT, BrenchleyR wrote: > >Thank you and goodnight. > > > Oh, goodnight, sllep well. stirs big wooden spoon Is this now the accepted correct spelling of sllep? he he he -- Nev - no longer at nevilley@ndirect.co.uk and getting no spam at all (yet) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat May 2 16:22:37 1998 From: prospero@calibans.island To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Hello Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 10:05:40 GMT Organization: Message-ID: <355be8ba.6603287@post.demon.co.uk> References: <199804301856_MC2-3B8A-9C9E@compuserve.com> In-Reply-To: <199804301856_MC2-3B8A-9C9E@compuserve.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 205 Lines: 8 On Thu, 30 Apr 1998 18:55:27 -0400, Gordon Wallis <101762.2062@compuserve.com> wrote: > (asleep as I type, and hoping it was all a bad dream). This is a storm in a teacup, it is not a tempest. Proteus. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat May 2 16:22:37 1998 From: Nev Young To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: PC question...erm...sorry... Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 10:05:44 GMT Organization: Message-ID: <3560eeee.8191636@post.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 790 Lines: 22 On Thu, 30 Apr 1998 13:47:12 GMT+0, The Mad Goose wrote: > Just a quick PC question for somebody who knows absolutely nothing > about them... > > I've like, kind of erased the config.sys file and, well, I can't > access the CDROM from DOS. It doesn't seem to have any drivers that > work (the one that I've got seems to lock up W95 when I run it...) so > has anybody got any ideas about how I go about creating a new > config.sys file. > Look for files called config.001 config.002 etc pick the highest number and rename it to config.sys. also look for config.bak config.old config.dos they are nearly all copies of the config.sys file made when you install new software. hth. -- Nev - no longer at nevilley@ndirect.co.uk and getting no spam at all (yet) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat May 2 16:22:38 1998 From: Nev Young To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Hello Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 10:05:41 GMT Organization: Message-ID: <355deab0.7105657@post.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 227 Lines: 11 On Fri, 1 May 1998 06:58:43 EDT, BrenchleyR wrote: > > Oh, excuse me, and which country invented computers then? > India ? -- Nev - no longer at nevilley@ndirect.co.uk and getting no spam at all (yet) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat May 2 16:22:40 1998 From: Nev Young To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Hello Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 10:05:39 GMT Organization: Message-ID: <355ae77b.6283614@post.demon.co.uk> References: <9f05919.354876a9@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <9f05919.354876a9@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 423 Lines: 19 On Thu, 30 Apr 1998 09:03:36 EDT, BrenchleyR wrote: > In a message dated 30/04/98 11:07:02, you write: > > > > >oh, incidientally, any news on anything sam related...? > > > >Peace, Love, Kisses... > >Johnna Pig Teare > > Fred now in the hands of Allen Clarkson. > SD Software now gone to hell, and good riddance. -- Nev - no longer at nevilley@ndirect.co.uk and getting no spam at all (yet) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat May 2 16:22:41 1998 From: Nev Young To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Hello Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 10:05:43 GMT Organization: Message-ID: <355eeb91.7329800@post.demon.co.uk> References: <3.0.1.32.19980501073925.006cebc0@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980501073925.006cebc0@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 478 Lines: 12 On Fri, 01 May 1998 07:39:25 -0400, Simon Cooke wrote: > > From the Middle English variant, you can see that it was originally > "Organise". In fact, I remember reading somewhere that until the late > 1700's, the English spelling was indeed "organize". Somewhere we shifted, > and the American's who went over on the dingy kept their spelling. > In the 1700's wouldn't the word have been organife ? Nev - who has gotten a lot of fun out of this. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat May 2 16:22:41 1998 From: Matthew Craven Organization: Umist To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 11:14:28 BST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: SimCoupe v0.78 developement snapshot release In-reply-to: <31df72d2.3548b2fb@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.52) Message-ID: <7999525096@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 323 Lines: 12 > I am having problems getting this to work in DOS on a P133 with plug&play > sound card. Should I be getting sound? If not could someone tell me what I'm > doing wrong. > > System is P133, ABIT board, unknown sound card, dual boot system with DOS 6.22 > or Windows 95. > > Bill. Also, what do I do to get sound? MJC. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat May 2 16:22:42 1998 From: Nev Young To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Hello Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 10:05:38 GMT Organization: Message-ID: <3559e749.6233982@post.demon.co.uk> References: <3c002398.35487647@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <3c002398.35487647@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 281 Lines: 14 On Thu, 30 Apr 1998 09:01:58 EDT, BrenchleyR wrote: > > * PLONK * > > Sorry folks, but I've had enough of him yet again. Shouldn't that be * PLONK * [tm] you are not a ferret. -- Nev - no longer at nevilley@ndirect.co.uk and getting no spam at all (yet) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat May 2 16:22:43 1998 From: Ben Versteeg Message-Id: <199805021050.MAA16093@il.fontys.nl> Subject: Re: Spellingsd In-Reply-To: <199805011348_MC2-3BA1-CD52@compuserve.com> from Gordon Wallis at "May 1, 98 01:48:17 pm" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 12:50:03 +0200 (MEST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1007 Lines: 24 Hi, I know it's a pity I ask, but how do I unsubscribe from this list ? P.S. To Stefan and Robert: I still use Sinclair computers, but my spare time has shrunk a lot, cause I'm working 5 days a week now... Sorry I haven't visited the sinclair-days in Holland lately :( P.P.S. I use a Spec128 as a Laserharp Interface, using Midi Out. If you ask yourself what a laserharp is, you'll have to get to know Jean Michel Jarre, the French Synthesizer artist, or visit my web-page once in a while. Thanks, Ben Versteeg -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Ben Versteeg _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/ ben@il.fontys.nl _/ _/_/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Also known as -> _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ Ultimate Spirit Homepage: _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ www.il.fontys.nl/~ben _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat May 2 18:45:04 1998 From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Hello Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 17:40:51 GMT Message-ID: <354b587c.1121651@mail.enterprise.net> References: <9f05919.354876a9@aol.com> <355ae77b.6283614@post.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <355ae77b.6283614@post.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 357 Lines: 19 On Sat, 02 May 1998 10:05:39 GMT, Nev Young wrote: >> >> Fred now in the hands of Allen Clarkson. >> >SD Software now gone to hell, and good riddance. Does this mean that SD titles are now sold by Format, or has someone from Persona been on the phone (yet)? brrrrrrrrr Bye, _ |_)ave (/\)hitmore http://homepages.enterprise.net/davewhitmore/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat May 2 20:17:27 1998 From: Nev Young To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Spellingsd Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 19:02:31 GMT Organization: Message-ID: <354b6db6.911095@post.demon.co.uk> References: <199805021050.MAA16093@il.fontys.nl> In-Reply-To: <199805021050.MAA16093@il.fontys.nl> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1260 Lines: 35 On Sat, 2 May 1998 12:50:03 +0200 (MEST), Ben Versteeg wrote: > Hi, > > I know it's a pity I ask, but how do I unsubscribe from this list ? > > P.S. To Stefan and Robert: I still use Sinclair computers, but my spare time > has shrunk a lot, cause I'm working 5 days a week now... Sorry I haven't > visited the sinclair-days in Holland lately :( > > P.P.S. I use a Spec128 as a Laserharp Interface, using Midi Out. If you ask > yourself what a laserharp is, you'll have to get to know Jean Michel Jarre, > the French Synthesizer artist, or visit my web-page once in a while. > If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, send the following command in email to : unsubscribe Or you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe sam-users nevilley@ndirect.co.uk If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. -- Nev - no longer at nevilley@ndirect.co.uk and getting no spam at all (yet) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun May 3 13:54:56 1998 From: Ben Versteeg Message-Id: <199805031251.OAA25059@il.fontys.nl> Subject: how do I ... In-Reply-To: <199805021050.MAA16093@il.fontys.nl> from Ben Versteeg at "May 2, 98 12:50:03 pm" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 14:51:38 +0200 (MEST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1067 Lines: 29 Sorry for the wrong subject last time. Here's my mail again: Hi, I know it's a pity I ask, but how do I unsubscribe from this list ? P.S. To Stefan and Robert: I still use Sinclair computers, but my spare time has shrunk a lot, cause I'm working 5 days a week now... Sorry I haven't visited the sinclair-days in Holland lately :( P.P.S. I use a Spec128 as a Laserharp Interface, using Midi Out. If you ask yourself what a laserharp is, you'll have to get to know Jean Michel Jarre, the French Synthesizer artist, or visit my web-page. Thanks, Ben Versteeg --------------------------------------------------------------------- Ben Versteeg _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/ ben@il.fontys.nl _/ _/_/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Also known as -> _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ Ultimate Spirit Homepage: _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ www.il.fontys.nl/~ben _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun May 3 15:06:33 1998 From: arivyyrl@asl53.qrzba.pb.hx (Nev Young) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Hello Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 14:03:35 GMT Organization: Message-ID: <354c7037.175109@post.demon.co.uk> References: <9f05919.354876a9@aol.com> <355ae77b.6283614@post.demon.co.uk> <354b587c.1121651@mail.enterprise.net> In-Reply-To: <354b587c.1121651@mail.enterprise.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 548 Lines: 23 On Sat, 02 May 1998 17:40:51 GMT, davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) wrote: > On Sat, 02 May 1998 10:05:39 GMT, Nev Young wrote: > > > >> > >> Fred now in the hands of Allen Clarkson. > >> > >SD Software now gone to hell, and good riddance. > > Does this mean that SD titles are now sold by Format, or has someone > from Persona been on the phone (yet)? > > brrrrrrrrr > Quite frankly my dear, I don't give a damn. -- Nev - no longer at nevilley@ndirect.co.uk and getting no spam at all (yet) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun May 3 19:22:53 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <6ffee64f.354cb539@aol.com> Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 14:19:36 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Hello Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 333 Lines: 21 In a message dated 02/05/98 15:34:24, you write: >o > >On Thu, 30 Apr 1998 09:00:25 EDT, BrenchleyR >wrote: > >> >Thank you and goodnight. >> > >> Oh, goodnight, sllep well. > > stirs big wooden spoon >Is this now the accepted correct spelling of sllep? > > >he he he Only to a snuggler :) -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun May 3 19:23:00 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <69011fd0.354cb5c3@aol.com> Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 14:21:54 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Hello Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 482 Lines: 21 In a message dated 02/05/98 15:34:31, you write: >On Thu, 30 Apr 1998 09:03:36 EDT, BrenchleyR >wrote: > >> In a message dated 30/04/98 11:07:02, you write: >> >> > >> >oh, incidientally, any news on anything sam related...? >> > >> >Peace, Love, Kisses... >> >Johnna Pig Teare >> >> Fred now in the hands of Allen Clarkson. >> >SD Software now gone to hell, and good riddance. Since when has Gloucester been hell? Oh, on second thoughts.... -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun May 3 19:28:08 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <6ad5cac.354cb65d@aol.com> Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 14:24:28 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Hello Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 454 Lines: 24 In a message dated 02/05/98 15:33:38, you write: >o > >On Thu, 30 Apr 1998 09:01:58 EDT, BrenchleyR >wrote: > >> >> * PLONK * >> >> Sorry folks, but I've had enough of him yet again. > >Shouldn't that be * PLONK * [tm] >you are not a ferret. Okokok, don't pick on me, its been a bad week :( The next person who tries to get me to run Windows NT will end up minus a part of their body they may not like to be minus. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 4 01:47:42 1998 Message-Id: <199805040001.BAA23084@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 01:00:19 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Spellingsd In-reply-to: <199805021050.MAA16093@il.fontys.nl> References: <199805011348_MC2-3BA1-CD52@compuserve.com> from Gordon Wallis at "May 1, 98 01:48:17 pm" X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 369 Lines: 11 > P.P.S. I use a Spec128 as a Laserharp Interface, using Midi Out. If you ask > yourself what a laserharp is, you'll have to get to know Jean Michel Jarre, > the French Synthesizer artist, or visit my web-page once in a while. i once figured out how to patch the 128's system variables so you could send control codes to the rs232 port in basic. urm, yeehar. dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 4 01:47:43 1998 Message-Id: <199805040007.BAA23511@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 01:07:09 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: sound is simcoupe X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 859 Lines: 23 look, erm, the only way i've been able to get sound (that's saa sound) is by booting into dos. i've got a windows 95 pc, and so have the people who say they can't get sound in simcoupe. F8 to boot into command mode, but make sure your config.sys sets up the sound drivers for dos (if necessary). you should get saa sound. i do, anyway. there's still problems with it. Aley Keprt keeps CONVINCING me that his saa emulator code is not at fault, but.. hmmm... maybe it is? load up that guy's hexagonia .dsk file (forgotten who... someone on this list anyway), start the game, press the info key (probably ENTER) and then go back to the game... that sound shouldn't be there. that never happened on my original sam version. SOUND DOES NOT STOP PROPERLY IN SIMCOUPE USING ALEY KEPRT'S SAA EMULATOR TSR STUFF. anyone know who's fault this is? dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 4 15:39:33 1998 From: Nev Young To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Hello Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 14:23:34 GMT Organization: Message-ID: <354ecf19.534054@post.demon.co.uk> References: <6ad5cac.354cb65d@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <6ad5cac.354cb65d@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 723 Lines: 30 On Sun, 3 May 1998 14:24:28 EDT, BrenchleyR wrote: > In a message dated 02/05/98 15:33:38, you write: > > >o > > > >On Thu, 30 Apr 1998 09:01:58 EDT, BrenchleyR > >wrote: > > > >> > >> * PLONK * > >> > >> Sorry folks, but I've had enough of him yet again. > > > >Shouldn't that be * PLONK * [tm] > >you are not a ferret. > > Okokok, don't pick on me, its been a bad week :( > > The next person who tries to get me to run Windows NT will end up minus a part > of their body they may not like to be minus. > Go on Maria, I dare ya, (you should be ok as I don't think you have any to loose) ;-) -- Nev - no longer at nevilley@ndirect.co.uk and getting no spam at all (yet) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 4 16:01:14 1998 From: Nev Young To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Spellingsd Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 14:51:08 GMT Organization: Message-ID: <354fcf8c.648974@post.demon.co.uk> References: <199805011348_MC2-3BA1-CD52@compuserve.com> from Gordon Wallis at "May 1, 98 01:48:17 pm" <199805040001.BAA23084@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <199805040001.BAA23084@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 905 Lines: 28 On Mon, 4 May 1998 01:00:19 +0000, "Dave Hooper" <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> wrote: > > P.P.S. I use a Spec128 as a Laserharp Interface, using Midi Out. If you ask > > yourself what a laserharp is, you'll have to get to know Jean Michel Jarre, > > the French Synthesizer artist, or visit my web-page once in a while. > > i once figured out how to patch the 128's system variables so you > could send control codes to the rs232 port in basic. > I thought you just had to do CLOSE #3 FORMAT "B", baud OPEN #3,"B" Of course it is a long long long time since I had a working 128. So I'm probably wrong. I never used a printer on the RS232 port only an eprom burner I'm sure that required control codes. I recall it was loads of 'fun' making it work as the RS232 had to work bi-directionally. Those were the days. -- Nev - no longer at nevilley@ndirect.co.uk and getting no spam at all (yet) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 4 17:26:15 1998 Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 12:17:52 -0400 From: Gordon Wallis <101762.2062@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Hello To: "INTERNET:sam-users@nvg.unit.no" Message-ID: <199805041218_MC2-3BDE-D383@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 340 Lines: 11 Message text written by INTERNET:sam-users@nvg.unit.no >> The next person who tries to get me to run Windows NT will end up minus a part > of their body they may not like to be minus. > Go on Maria, I dare ya, (you should be ok as I don't think you have any to loose) ;-) < \SET TACT=0 Blimey, Nev! Where the hell did you learn biology!? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 4 18:08:06 1998 From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Hello Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 17:04:16 GMT Message-ID: <354cf3a8.3064297@mail.enterprise.net> References: <6ad5cac.354cb65d@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <6ad5cac.354cb65d@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 288 Lines: 14 On Sun, 3 May 1998 14:24:28 EDT, BrenchleyR wrote: > >The next person who tries to get me to run Windows NT will end up minus a part >of their body they may not like to be minus. Is it /that/ bad then? :) Bye, _ |_)ave (/\)hitmore http://homepages.enterprise.net/davewhitmore/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 4 18:13:33 1998 From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: sound is simcoupe Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 17:09:22 GMT Message-ID: <354ef63f.928360@mail.enterprise.net> References: <199805040007.BAA23511@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <199805040007.BAA23511@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 453 Lines: 16 On Mon, 4 May 1998 01:07:09 +0000, Dave Hooper wrote: >look, erm, the only way i've been able to get sound (that's saa >sound) is by booting into dos. i've got a windows 95 pc, and so have >the people who say they can't get sound in simcoupe. It works okay for me. Desktop shortcut to a bat files loads the saa-opl3, then loads up Sim Coupe with my utils dsk file. Bye, _ |_)ave (/\)hitmore http://homepages.enterprise.net/davewhitmore/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 4 20:09:40 1998 From: Nev Young To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Hello Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 18:49:18 GMT Organization: nfy53 Message-ID: <354e0d9e.341359@post.demon.co.uk> References: <199805041218_MC2-3BDE-D383@compuserve.com> In-Reply-To: <199805041218_MC2-3BDE-D383@compuserve.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 541 Lines: 20 On Mon, 4 May 1998 12:17:52 -0400, Gordon Wallis <101762.2062@compuserve.com> wrote: > Message text written by INTERNET:sam-users@nvg.unit.no > >> The next person who tries to get me to run Windows NT will end up minus > a part > > of their body they may not like to be minus. > > > Go on Maria, I dare ya, (you should be ok as I don't think you have > any to loose) ;-) > < > > \SET TACT=0 > Blimey, Nev! Where the hell did you learn biology!? in room 14. -- Nev - no longer at nevilley@ndirect.co.uk and getting no spam at all (yet) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 4 23:10:17 1998 From: Maria Rookyard To: sam-users Subject: Re: Hello Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 23:04:01 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 455 Lines: 25 Bob wrote: > > The next person who tries to get me to run Windows NT will end up minus a part > > of their body they may not like to be minus. > > Nev responded: > Go on Maria, I dare ya, (you should be ok as I don't think you have > any to loose) ;-) Maria grins and replies: "No way - I may not have *quite* the same bits as you; but out of all the body parts I *do* have, I can't think of a single one I'd be prepared to part with" ;) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 5 05:51:06 1998 From: Simon Cooke Message-Id: <199805050449.FAA20261@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Subject: Microsoft.... To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 05:49:19 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1162 Lines: 35 Hey folks, As I sit here in Seattle/Tacoma airpo9rt at a terminal, unable to use my normal account (and having telnetted into another to try and do it), I've finished my Microsoft interview. It was interesting... MS is a much much bigger company than I thought it was. Wow. BIIIIG complex. I saw a bit of sSeattle too -- nice place, reminds me of home a lot. THe space needle is fun -- went up there and had a look around. Good thing I've flown around so much recently that I'm no longer all that afraid of heights -- at least, not when there's safety fencing between me and the ground ;) As for the interview... well, it started at 9am and went on until 6:30pm. No break really... well, there was lunch, but the grilling continued :) Lots of problem solbving questions -- everthing from optimising graphics routines at the assembly level, to writing parsers, search trees, game theory, analysis of pro9blem solving techniques... You name it really :) But on the whole, I think I may have walked it!!! (I'm ready to eat humble pie if I didn't, of course). I've got a good feeling about this. And the best thing about Seattle? NO INCOME TAX. ;) Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 5 07:41:23 1998 Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 08:39:01 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9805050639.AA01877@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Microsoft.... X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 532 Lines: 19 > > Hey folks, > As I sit here in Seattle/Tacoma airpo9rt at a terminal, unable to use my > normal account (and having telnetted into another to try and do it), I've > finished my Microsoft interview. > > It was interesting... MS is a much much bigger company than I thought it > was. Wow. BIIIIG complex. [ramblings deleted] The question is, however, who in their right mind would ever _want_ to work for Microsoft. *grin* > And the best thing about Seattle? Best thing with Seattle? It's close to British Columbia. -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 5 08:11:30 1998 From: Maria Rookyard To: sam-users Subject: Re: Microsoft.... Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 08:03:32 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 341 Lines: 14 > No break really... well, there was lunch, but the grilling continued :) > Simon Well, at least they gave you a hot meal then ;) Maria. x P.S. "Who in their right mind would ever want to work for Microsoft" Frode, I think the key words here are "right" and "mind" - surely you've just answered your own question ]:-> From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 5 08:29:28 1998 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Microsoft.... References: <9805050639.AA01877@asmal.edh-net> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware X-{giggle}: Lots! From: The Giggler Date: 05 May 1998 08:27:19 +0100 In-Reply-To: ft@edh.ericsson.se's message of "Tue, 5 May 1998 08:39:01 +0200" Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.66/Emacs 19.34 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 436 Lines: 19 ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) writes: > > It was interesting... MS is a much much bigger company than I thought it > > was. Wow. BIIIIG complex. > > [ramblings deleted] > > The question is, however, who in their right mind would ever _want_ > to work for Microsoft. *grin* Ooh, and I had quite a high opinion of Simon up until now ... > > And the best thing about Seattle? Certainly not MS ... Lee. -- Yawn And Walk North From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 5 08:33:00 1998 Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 09:29:45 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9805050729.AA02050@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Microsoft.... X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 267 Lines: 7 > P.S. "Who in their right mind would ever want to work for Microsoft" > Frode, I think the key words here are "right" and "mind" - surely > you've just answered your own question ]:-> s/in their right mind// - the question still stands. ;) -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 5 09:35:32 1998 Message-ID: <017901bd7800$2105c000$f03ca8c0@daves-pc.orctel.internal> From: Dave To: sam-users Subject: Re: Hello Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 09:30:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 440 Lines: 21 >> > The next person who tries to get me to run Windows NT will end up minus >a part >> > of their body they may not like to be minus. >> > Go on! Run NT! It's great! (well, slightly better than 95, which isn't saying much, really... only don't run NT5, by all accounts it's as stable as an inverted pyramid on a jelly) DMZ --- PS. You don't know where I live. You don't know where I work. I have no children. Hahahahaha. etc. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 5 09:43:20 1998 Message-ID: <001501bd7801$2a235160$f03ca8c0@daves-pc.orctel.internal> From: Dave To: sam-users Subject: Don't Panic Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 09:37:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 505 Lines: 17 Right... I'll have to post this on the list, since it's about as relevant as anything else on here recently..... Various factors (hard drive crash) have meant that I've been unable to ascertain exactly _who_ I managed to convince to buy some of my stuff off me. However, by some miracle, I've recently been able to recover a raw file that should contain all my old emails in it somewhere, so I'll be in touch very shortly..... if the concerned parties are still interested, that is... Sorry! DMZ --- From imc Tue May 5 11:23:23 1998 Subject: Re: Microsoft.... In-Reply-To: <199805050449.FAA20261@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> from Simon Cooke at "May 5, 98 05:49:19 am" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 11:23:23 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 239 Lines: 7 On Tue, 5 May 1998 05:49:19 +0100 (BST), Simon Cooke said: > As for the interview... well, it started at 9am and went on until 6:30pm. > No break really... well, there was lunch, but the grilling continued :) You had grilled steak? imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 5 12:49:19 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 07:23:14 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Hello Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 547 Lines: 24 In a message dated 05/05/98 08:34:26, you write: >o > > >>> > The next person who tries to get me to run Windows NT will end up minus >>a part >>> > of their body they may not like to be minus. >>> > > > >Go on! Run NT! It's great! (well, slightly better than 95, which isn't >saying >much, really... only don't run NT5, by all accounts it's as stable as an >inverted >pyramid on a jelly) > >DMZ NT4(Service pack 3) is very stable, you can't get it to do anything but it does it in a very stable way. -- Bob. Back on 3.11 and feeling better. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 5 13:05:33 1998 Message-ID: <008c01bd781d$5e1bb220$f03ca8c0@daves-pc.orctel.internal> From: Dave To: sam-users Subject: Re: Hello Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 12:59:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 431 Lines: 17 >NT4(Service pack 3) is very stable, you can't get it to do anything but it >does it in a very stable way. Can't get it to do anything? Hmmmm... interesting. Have you perhaps gone through the 'installed it, couldn't be bothered to learn how to use it, oh I can't get it to do anything' cycle by any chance? As for Windows 3.11, can you still actually get modern software for it, then? DMZ --- Linux is still better by far. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 5 17:47:57 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980505123015.006ceed8@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 12:30:15 -0400 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Microsoft.... In-Reply-To: References: <9805050639.AA01877@asmal.edh-net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1604 Lines: 39 At 08:27 AM 5/5/98 +0100, you wrote: >> The question is, however, who in their right mind would ever _want_ >> to work for Microsoft. *grin* > >Ooh, and I had quite a high opinion of Simon up until now ... > >> > And the best thing about Seattle? > >Certainly not MS ... Awww... come on... Individually, MS doesn't seem too bad. The MS Borg Collective, however, is probably A Bad Thing, but I didn't get any feeling of that while I was there. It's kind of like working at a university where you can redecorate your office however you want (some people had couches, arcade games and tapestries on the walls), and if you need anything (like, say, you just can't do your job unless you have a fridge full of guinness), all you have to do is say so, and one will magically appear. Besides, it's all part of a long term plan. Seriously -- if you want to write consumer apps, where are you going to go? And more importantly -- if I stay at Microsoft for even a short while, I'll be able to write my own ticket *whereever* I go next. I'll have the choice of pretty much any job I want. *THAT's* why I'm selling my soul to Microsoft ;) (BTW: I heard about some pretty cool stuff coming up around the corner, but I can't actually tell anyone about it, because I had to sign a non-disclosure agreement). Ah well. Simon +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "You know... you can tell someone's vain when they quote themselves | | in their own .sig file..." -- Simon Cooke | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 5 17:47:57 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980505123433.006d103c@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 12:34:33 -0400 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Microsoft.... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1467 Lines: 32 At 08:03 AM 5/5/98 +0100, you wrote: > > >> No break really... well, there was lunch, but the grilling continued :) >> Simon > >Well, at least they gave you a hot meal then ;) Yeah... but I had to answer questions on game theory and coordinate systems and problem solving techniques while I ate it... ;) (First of a series of posts -- actual Microsoft interview questions, for anyone who's interested... tell me now if you're not interested, otherwise there'll be quite a few popping into your inbox) "There are 5 pirates. They find some loot, and want to split it up. There's a hierarchy from the top pirate down to the underdog pirate. The top pirate at any time can make a proposal on how to split up the loot. If the majority of the pirates (including the one making the proposal) agree, the plan is executed. If there's a tie, the top pirate's plan is executed. If the top pirate loses, the top pirate is executed. Which pirate can make the most out of the deal, and why?" "Take a sphere. There's two poles -- a north and a south pole. Where on the sphere can you walk South for 1 mile, East for 1 mile, and North for 1 mile, and arrive back where you started?" Simon +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "You know... you can tell someone's vain when they quote themselves | | in their own .sig file..." -- Simon Cooke | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 5 17:47:57 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980505123512.006c9e04@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 12:35:12 -0400 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Microsoft.... In-Reply-To: <199805051023.LAA05120@ruby.comlab> References: <199805050449.FAA20261@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 611 Lines: 14 At 11:23 AM 5/5/98 +0100, you wrote: >On Tue, 5 May 1998 05:49:19 +0100 (BST), Simon Cooke said: >> As for the interview... well, it started at 9am and went on until 6:30pm. >> No break really... well, there was lunch, but the grilling continued :) > >You had grilled steak? Nah... Grilled Chicken Caesar Sandwich Simon +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "You know... you can tell someone's vain when they quote themselves | | in their own .sig file..." -- Simon Cooke | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 5 17:57:14 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <802565FB.005D13C4.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 17:57:03 +0100 Subject: Re: Microsoft.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 240 Lines: 10 >"Take a sphere. There's two poles -- a north and a south pole. Where on the >sphere can you walk South for 1 mile, East for 1 mile, and North for 1 >mile, and arrive back where you started?" That's easy.. Start from the Northpole.. J. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 5 18:02:32 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980505125239.006d21e8@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 12:52:39 -0400 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Microsoft.... In-Reply-To: <802565FB.005D13C4.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 689 Lines: 16 At 05:57 PM 5/5/98 +0100, you wrote: >>"Take a sphere. There's two poles -- a north and a south pole. Where on >the >>sphere can you walk South for 1 mile, East for 1 mile, and North for 1 >>mile, and arrive back where you started?" > >That's easy.. Start from the Northpole.. Be warned: there are three classes of solution, one of which is an infinite set of solutions. You've got the first. Simon +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "You know... you can tell someone's vain when they quote themselves | | in their own .sig file..." -- Simon Cooke | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 5 18:02:32 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980505125644.006d1c60@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 12:56:44 -0400 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Microsoft.... In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980505125239.006d21e8@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> References: <802565FB.005D13C4.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 583 Lines: 15 At 12:52 PM 5/5/98 -0400, you wrote: >Be warned: there are three classes of solution, one of which is an infinite >set of solutions. You've got the first. > Correction (I'm tired). There's two classes of solution, one of which is an infinite set of solutions with a boundary condition. Simon +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "You know... you can tell someone's vain when they quote themselves | | in their own .sig file..." -- Simon Cooke | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 5 18:10:48 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <802565FB.005DD11A.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 18:08:30 +0100 Subject: Re: Microsoft.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 713 Lines: 26 >>>"Take a sphere. There's two poles -- a north and a south pole. Where on >>the >>>sphere can you walk South for 1 mile, East for 1 mile, and North for 1 >>>mile, and arrive back where you started?" >> >>That's easy.. Start from the Northpole.. > >Be warned: there are three classes of solution, one of which is an infinite >set of solutions. You've got the first. Well, from the southpole, you can't go any further south (it does not exist), therefore east won't exist. and north won't be where you had started. Also, start from northpole, tunnel directly south... east won't exist, but north will. Start from anywhere along the axis... east still won't exist.... so you can go north. Anywhere close? J. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 5 18:10:48 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <802565FB.005E5648.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 18:10:58 +0100 Subject: Re: Microsoft.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 550 Lines: 14 >"There are 5 pirates. They find some loot, and want to split it up. There's >a hierarchy from the top pirate down to the underdog pirate. The top pirate >at any time can make a proposal on how to split up the loot. If the >majority of the pirates (including the one making the proposal) agree, the >plan is executed. If there's a tie, the top pirate's plan is executed. If >the top pirate loses, the top pirate is executed. Which pirate can make the >most out of the deal, and why?" The top pirate since an odd number can never produce a tie.... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 5 18:13:24 1998 Message-Id: <199805051710.SAA23352@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 18:10:08 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: sound is simcoupe In-reply-to: <354ef63f.928360@mail.enterprise.net> References: <199805040007.BAA23511@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 332 Lines: 8 > It works okay for me. Desktop shortcut to a bat files loads the > saa-opl3, then loads up Sim Coupe with my utils dsk file. urm... are you sure we're both talking about the latest version of simcoupe? you don't load the saa driver 'seperately' using the latest release, it loads automatically. that's the theory, anyway. dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 5 18:22:53 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980505131448.006cdc44@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 13:14:48 -0400 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Microsoft.... In-Reply-To: <802565FB.005DD11A.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1399 Lines: 39 At 06:08 PM 5/5/98 +0100, you wrote: >>>>"Take a sphere. There's two poles -- a north and a south pole. Where on >>>the >>>>sphere can you walk South for 1 mile, East for 1 mile, and North for 1 >>>>mile, and arrive back where you started?" >>> >>>That's easy.. Start from the Northpole.. >> >>Be warned: there are three classes of solution, one of which is an >infinite >>set of solutions. You've got the first. > >Well, from the southpole, you can't go any further south (it does not >exist), therefore east won't exist. and north won't be where you had >started. > >Also, start from northpole, tunnel directly south... east won't exist, but >north will. > >Start from anywhere along the axis... east still won't exist.... so you can >go north. > >Anywhere close? Well, it's where I started -- kind of (ie. changing your reference frame). But alas, no. Maybe I should have said -- you have to be on the surface of the globe :) Simon ps. Pirates: Well, if the top pirate says "I'm keeping it all", the others can just outvote him and he'll be dead. So he can't be the one who can make the most out of it. +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "You know... you can tell someone's vain when they quote themselves | | in their own .sig file..." -- Simon Cooke | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 5 18:37:09 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <802565FB.0060865A.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 18:37:24 +0100 Subject: Re: Microsoft.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 275 Lines: 8 >ps. Pirates: Well, if the top pirate says "I'm keeping it all", the others >can just outvote him and he'll be dead. So he can't be the one who can make >the most out of it. Sorry.. I read the question as "If there is a tie, and the top pirate loses, then he is executed." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 5 19:22:47 1998 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Microsoft.... References: <3.0.1.32.19980505123433.006d103c@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware X-{giggle}: Lots! From: The Giggler Date: 05 May 1998 19:20:06 +0100 In-Reply-To: Simon Cooke's message of "Tue, 05 May 1998 12:34:33 -0400" Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.66/Emacs 19.34 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 897 Lines: 26 Simon Cooke writes: > "There are 5 pirates. They find some loot, and want to split it up. There's > a hierarchy from the top pirate down to the underdog pirate. The top pirate > at any time can make a proposal on how to split up the loot. If the > majority of the pirates (including the one making the proposal) agree, the > plan is executed. If there's a tie, the top pirate's plan is executed. If > the top pirate loses, the top pirate is executed. Which pirate can make the > most out of the deal, and why?" The second from bottom pirate (See below) 5 1 x x x 4 0 4 1 x x 3 0 3 0 3 1 x 2 0 2 0 2 0 2 1 -His idea is taken 1 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 ie if the top pirate says idea 1 the others disagree (Symbolised by the 0's) then the top pirate is executed (x) Follow the diagram from left to right .. ;) Lee. -- Yawn And Walk North From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 5 19:28:11 1998 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Microsoft.... References: <3.0.1.32.19980505123433.006d103c@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware X-{giggle}: Lots! From: The Giggler Date: 05 May 1998 19:25:31 +0100 In-Reply-To: Simon Cooke's message of "Tue, 05 May 1998 12:34:33 -0400" Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.66/Emacs 19.34 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 232 Lines: 12 Simon Cooke writes: [Snipped pirate/sphere problems] Personally I prefer the old favourite ... How much wood would a wood-chuck chuck if a wood-chuck could chuck wood ? ;) Lee. -- Yawn And Walk North From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 5 19:31:20 1998 Message-Id: <199805051826.TAA19539@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Paul Walker Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 19:26:13 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: sound is simcoupe In-reply-to: <354ef63f.928360@mail.enterprise.net> References: <199805040007.BAA23511@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 718 Lines: 18 > >look, erm, the only way i've been able to get sound (that's saa > >sound) is by booting into dos. i've got a windows 95 pc, and so have > >the people who say they can't get sound in simcoupe. > It works okay for me. Desktop shortcut to a bat files loads the > saa-opl3, then loads up Sim Coupe with my utils dsk file. Doesn't work in a dos-box here either; doesn't always work from pure dos either (Stefan's mod player, for example), but some stuff does. Like Tetris. Maybe copying that particular disk was a bad move. :) Paul -- ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ---- FidoNet: 2:254/60.11 2:442/103.13 ---> http://www.trak-one.co.uk/foti <--- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 5 19:49:34 1998 Message-Id: <199805051847.TAA22367@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Paul Walker Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 19:46:48 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Microsoft.... In-reply-to: <3.0.1.32.19980505131448.006cdc44@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> References: <802565FB.005DD11A.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 423 Lines: 14 > Maybe I should have said -- you have to be on the surface of the globe :) I have this feeling that you could be on the inside surface as well... Hmm. Maybe I won't apply to MS, after reading this bunch of interview questions... :/ Paul -- ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ---- FidoNet: 2:254/60.11 2:442/103.13 ---> http://www.trak-one.co.uk/foti <--- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 5 20:23:55 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980505151528.006d1924@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 15:15:28 -0400 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Microsoft.... In-Reply-To: <199805051847.TAA22367@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> References: <3.0.1.32.19980505131448.006cdc44@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> <802565FB.005DD11A.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 2982 Lines: 70 At 07:46 PM 5/5/98 +0000, you wrote: > >> Maybe I should have said -- you have to be on the surface of the globe :) > >I have this feeling that you could be on the inside surface as >well... Nah... just on the surface. Other solutions are where going East will take you one complete revolution of the globe. (ie where the circumference is 1 mile, or 1/2 mile, or 1/3rd mile, or 1/4 mile...) Actually, these were the really esoteric questions. Other ones I got where: You have a linked list... you've got a pointer to (say) the second member of the list. Each item in the list has data, and points to the next item. Assuming that you can only get that pointer to the 2nd item, and can't get one to the first item directly (ie. it's not a doubly linked list), how do you delete the 2nd item? Devise an efficient method for coming up with a list of every unique word in The Complete Works of Shakespeare. How do you count the number of bits in a byte? One way for memory optimisation, one way for speed optimisation. Then, given the formula (in C) of "b & (b-1)" to use (where b is an unsigned char holding the byte you want to count the bits in), figure out what you'd use it for in an algorithm to count the number of bits, and how it works. How would you write a parser that can tell you if you've got a valid, null terminated, numerical expression, which can contain the following: + - () 0123456789 (eg 5+(4-3+(2-1))). It must also evaluate the expression. Write a routine that take a character, 8 bits wide (SAM font format!), and of arbitrary length, and writes it into a buffer space of arbitrary width and height, with 8 bits per pixel, that also clips the character to the edges of the buffer. Optimise it for speed, memory, and come up with as many different forms of the routines (and the tradeoffs between them) as you can. Write a routine to calculate the intersection of two rectangles. Explain why reference counting isn't a 100% foolproof way of doing garbage collection. ---- Note: All of these problems.. well, you just had to show that you understood the problem and how to attack it. You didn't have to write every line of code, just enough to show the logic, and explain your reasons for doing certain things. You could write it in Z80 if you wanted to (though C was preferred). And another thing... I was going for a Java job... those questions were representative of the Java and Windows System Architecture teams, so you'd probably get different kinds of questions. Mainly though, they just want to see that: 1. You can understand the problem given to you. 2. How you'd attack it. Actually getting the right answer was a bonus, but not essential. Simon +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "You know... you can tell someone's vain when they quote themselves | | in their own .sig file..." -- Simon Cooke | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 5 21:09:50 1998 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Microsoft.... References: <3.0.1.32.19980505131448.006cdc44@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> <802565FB.005DD11A.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> <3.0.1.32.19980505151528.006d1924@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware X-{giggle}: Lots! From: The Giggler Date: 05 May 1998 21:04:20 +0100 In-Reply-To: Simon Cooke's message of "Tue, 05 May 1998 15:15:28 -0400" Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.66/Emacs 19.34 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1357 Lines: 40 Simon Cooke writes: > You have a linked list... you've got a pointer to (say) the second member > of the list. Each item in the list has data, and points to the next item. > Assuming that you can only get that pointer to the 2nd item, and can't get > one to the first item directly (ie. it's not a doubly linked list), how do > you delete the 2nd item? In C style notation ... node-type *temp = pointer->next; free (pointer); pointer = temp; > Devise an efficient method for coming up with a list of every unique word > in The Complete Works of Shakespeare. Use unix, oh and probably either a hash function or a B-Tree ;) > How do you count the number of bits in a byte? One way for memory > optimisation, one way for speed optimisation. Don't know sorry ;( > How would you write a parser that can tell you if you've got a valid, null > terminated, numerical expression, which can contain the following: + - () > 0123456789 (eg 5+(4-3+(2-1))). It must also evaluate the expression. Just don't speak to me about parsing things since I'm currently trying to write a darn HTML parser ... Doh! > Explain why reference counting isn't a 100% foolproof way of doing garbage > collection. It is if you do it properly, except I imagine you'd get lots of overhead due to indirect references (?) Lee. -- Yawn And Walk North From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 5 21:15:26 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 16:09:55 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Hello Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 765 Lines: 24 In a message dated 05/05/98 12:03:36, you write: >>NT4(Service pack 3) is very stable, you can't get it to do anything but it >>does it in a very stable way. > > >Can't get it to do anything? Hmmmm... interesting. Have you perhaps gone >through the 'installed it, couldn't be bothered to learn how to use it, >oh I can't get it to do anything' cycle by any chance? Mmmmm. Mmmmmm. Mmmmmm. > >As for Windows 3.11, can you still actually get modern software for it, >then? Oh yes, plenty, and even more for DOS. Now, define what you mean by modern software? If you mean the bloatware that takes up 100Mb of drive space to give you nothing more than you can get on software that is 5 years old, then no - I'm glad to say Win3.1 will not run that. > >DMZ -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 5 21:15:27 1998 From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: sound is simcoupe Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 20:10:42 GMT Message-ID: <355066da.1370968@mail.enterprise.net> References: <199805040007.BAA23511@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> <199805051710.SAA23352@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <199805051710.SAA23352@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 906 Lines: 30 On Tue, 5 May 1998 18:10:08 +0000, Dave Hooper wrote: >> It works okay for me. Desktop shortcut to a bat files loads the >> saa-opl3, then loads up Sim Coupe with my utils dsk file. > >urm... are you sure we're both talking about the latest version of >simcoupe? you don't load the saa driver 'seperately' using the latest >release, it loads automatically. that's the theory, anyway. It is the latest version, but it didn't appear to work in the way it suggested when I left it to load the sound thing by itself. So I went back to the way I had it working before. Could it be that there may be different versions of the saa prog floating about? I'll just check the saa thing... C:\SAM>saa-opl3 Aley's SAA1099 TSR Emulator 0.10 06d.09m.1997 ---------------------------------------------- Is this the same as yours? Bye, _ |_)ave (/\)hitmore http://homepages.enterprise.net/davewhitmore/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 5 21:25:44 1998 Message-Id: <199805052022.VAA07716@hermes.clara.net> From: persona@mail.clara.net To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 20:19:04 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 281 Lines: 9 Hey! A SAM related question! How the feck do u get .pak files working? David /-----------------------------------------------/ \ If you're really desperate... take a look at \ / My web site at www.persona.clara.net/wibble/ / \________________________________________________\ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 5 21:30:38 1998 From: Dean Liversidge To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 21:16:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Hello In-reply-to: <354cf3a8.3064297@mail.enterprise.net> References: <6ad5cac.354cb65d@aol.com> Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 354 Lines: 12 > > > >The next person who tries to get me to run Windows NT will end up minus a part > >of their body they may not like to be minus. > > Is it /that/ bad then? :) > No, not at all, I use it every day..., a lot nicer than win95 usually, but you just cant run your usual dos games and stuff, if they directly access the hardware. -- Dean Liversidge From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 5 21:36:50 1998 From: Dean Liversidge To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 21:30:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Microsoft.... References: Simon Cooke's message of "Tue, 05 May 1998 15:15:28 -0400" In-reply-to: Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 289 Lines: 13 > > How do you count the number of bits in a byte? One way for memory > > optimisation, one way for speed optimisation. Easy, if (! MicrsoftChangingAllProgrammingConventions && UsingOriginalDescriptionTermsForByte) BitsInBye = 8 else BitsInByte = rand(guess) -- Dean Liversidge From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 5 21:49:05 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980505213920.00736378@pop.enterprise.net> X-Sender: markus@pop.enterprise.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 21:39:20 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Mark Hillman Subject: Re: Microsoft.... In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.19980505123433.006d103c@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 356 Lines: 14 At 19:25 05/05/98 +0100, you wrote: >Simon Cooke writes: > >[Snipped pirate/sphere problems] > >Personally I prefer the old favourite ... > >How much wood would a wood-chuck chuck if a wood-chuck could chuck wood a wood-chuck would chuck no amount of wood, since a wood-chuck can't chuck wood. Markus... Have another day..... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 5 21:49:05 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980505214325.00732418@pop.enterprise.net> X-Sender: markus@pop.enterprise.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 21:43:25 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Mark Hillman Subject: Re: Microsoft.... In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.19980505123433.006d103c@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 682 Lines: 25 At 19:20 05/05/98 +0100, you wrote: >Simon Cooke writes: > >> "There are 5 pirates. [yibble yibble] >The second from bottom pirate (See below) > >5 1 x x x >4 0 4 1 x x >3 0 3 0 3 1 x >2 0 2 0 2 0 2 1 -His idea is taken >1 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 > >ie if the top pirate says idea 1 the others disagree (Symbolised by the >0's) then the top pirate is executed (x) Follow the diagram from left >to right .. nah - the top pirate has the casting vote. There cannot be a tie as there are 5 pirates... If the top pirate bribes 2 of his crew, any 2, he still can get the most money out of it... Markus... Have another day..... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 5 22:00:42 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980505164239.006d15b0@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 16:42:39 -0400 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Microsoft.... In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 679 Lines: 23 At 09:30 PM 5/5/98 +0100, you wrote: >> > How do you count the number of bits in a byte? One way for memory >> > optimisation, one way for speed optimisation. > >Easy, > >if (! MicrsoftChangingAllProgrammingConventions && >UsingOriginalDescriptionTermsForByte) > BitsInBye = 8 > else > BitsInByte = rand(guess) *lols* My mistake; I meant "The number of set bits in a byte". :) Simon +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "You know... you can tell someone's vain when they quote themselves | | in their own .sig file..." -- Simon Cooke | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 5 22:00:42 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980505164822.006d2df4@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 16:48:22 -0400 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Microsoft.... In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980505214325.00732418@pop.enterprise.net> References: <3.0.1.32.19980505123433.006d103c@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1145 Lines: 34 At 09:43 PM 5/5/98 +0100, you wrote: >At 19:20 05/05/98 +0100, you wrote: >>Simon Cooke writes: >> >>> "There are 5 pirates. [yibble yibble] > >>The second from bottom pirate (See below) >> >>5 1 x x x >>4 0 4 1 x x >>3 0 3 0 3 1 x >>2 0 2 0 2 0 2 1 -His idea is taken >>1 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 >> >>ie if the top pirate says idea 1 the others disagree (Symbolised by the >>0's) then the top pirate is executed (x) Follow the diagram from left >>to right .. > >nah - the top pirate has the casting vote. There cannot be a tie as there >are 5 pirates... > >If the top pirate bribes 2 of his crew, any 2, he still can get the most >money out of it... But how about if the second-in-command pirate bribes another pirate, once the leader has been killed? That way, two pirates get 50% each... Simon +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "You know... you can tell someone's vain when they quote themselves | | in their own .sig file..." -- Simon Cooke | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 5 22:00:42 1998 From: Dean Liversidge To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 21:49:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Simcoupe GUI In-reply-to: <355066da.1370968@mail.enterprise.net> References: <199805051710.SAA23352@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1340 Lines: 38 Who likes the SimCoupe User Interface??? I'm afraid to say that I don't. It seems to be too user un-freindly. I know i'ts not finished yet Allan, but the way it works seem too much like hard works to me. I'd even prefere an 80 col text screen interface for loading disk files etc... I'm not dis'ing you prog, it's brill, but here are a few of my preferences / wants... It's a bit better with the tab, but there's no Shift-Tab to reverse, when the cursor is in the text box for a filename The 'c' if on the C drive looks like a PI sign due to the over print of the cursor. The file list looses focus on the selected file, once you select it and try to go back to it, if there are more files than the box, and you need to scroll down, so when you try to change it again, you have to keeps pressing until the cursor comes into focus again, before you can see what your scrolling down to. File name ordereing Alphanemeric would be nice aswell. If possible, rember the last file loaded and pre-select it when next loading a file, usefull for trying out lots of disk files one after another. How about a directory listing / preview of the selected disk. I'd like to write a utility for the PC to do this, but i'm still trying to work my way through this C++ programming book, so i'll be a while yet! -- Dean Liversidge From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 5 22:00:42 1998 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Microsoft.... References: <3.0.1.32.19980505123433.006d103c@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> <3.0.1.32.19980505214325.00732418@pop.enterprise.net> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware X-{giggle}: Lots! From: The Giggler Date: 05 May 1998 21:51:04 +0100 In-Reply-To: Mark Hillman's message of "Tue, 05 May 1998 21:43:25 +0100" Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.66/Emacs 19.34 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1038 Lines: 35 Mark Hillman writes: > At 19:20 05/05/98 +0100, you wrote: > >Simon Cooke writes: > > > >> "There are 5 pirates. [yibble yibble] > > >The second from bottom pirate (See below) > > > >5 1 x x x > >4 0 4 1 x x > >3 0 3 0 3 1 x > >2 0 2 0 2 0 2 1 -His idea is taken > >1 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 > > > >ie if the top pirate says idea 1 the others disagree (Symbolised by the > >0's) then the top pirate is executed (x) Follow the diagram from left > >to right .. > > nah - the top pirate has the casting vote. There cannot be a tie as there > are 5 pirates... In the original case but as shown if all the others disagree on the first time round then there could be a tie in the second round when the original top pirate has been executed ... > If the top pirate bribes 2 of his crew, any 2, he still can get the most > money out of it... You mean if he markets it better which of course was probably the correct M$ answer ;) Lee. -- Yawn And Walk North From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 5 22:00:44 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980505164635.006d3550@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 16:46:35 -0400 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Microsoft.... In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.19980505131448.006cdc44@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> <802565FB.005DD11A.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> <3.0.1.32.19980505151528.006d1924@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2650 Lines: 67 At 09:04 PM 5/5/98 +0100, you wrote: >Simon Cooke writes: > >> You have a linked list... you've got a pointer to (say) the second member >> of the list. Each item in the list has data, and points to the next item. >> Assuming that you can only get that pointer to the 2nd item, and can't get >> one to the first item directly (ie. it's not a doubly linked list), how do >> you delete the 2nd item? > >In C style notation ... > >node-type *temp = pointer->next; >free (pointer); >pointer = temp; Hmmm... but doesn't that leave you with an invalid pointer in the first item in the linked list? >> Devise an efficient method for coming up with a list of every unique word >> in The Complete Works of Shakespeare. > >Use unix, oh and probably either a hash function or a B-Tree ;) *grins* I used the algorithm I was using for my assembler -- a trie, but I modified it and used a balanced binary tree for the different node levels. >> How do you count the number of bits in a byte? One way for memory >> optimisation, one way for speed optimisation. > >Don't know sorry ;( *grins* It's not too hard -- one way is to (in Z80) shift the byte to the right 8 times, incrementing a counter for each carry flag that's set. Or something similar. >> How would you write a parser that can tell you if you've got a valid, null >> terminated, numerical expression, which can contain the following: + - () >> 0123456789 (eg 5+(4-3+(2-1))). It must also evaluate the expression. > >Just don't speak to me about parsing things since I'm currently trying >to write a darn HTML parser ... Doh! *grins* Nasty aren't they? I'm getting too clever for my own good and trying to do a really snazzy one for my assembler that'll handle anything. If I can get the time to sit down and do it, it'll work, but it's still a pain. So I might do the simple one first to glue the concept down. >> Explain why reference counting isn't a 100% foolproof way of doing garbage >> collection. > >It is if you do it properly, except I imagine you'd get lots of overhead >due to indirect references (?) What about the case where: Object A refers to Object B. Object B refers to Object C. Object C refers to Object B. Object A releases its reference to Object B. Objects B & C are now unused anywhere else in the program, and should be garbage collected. ? Simon +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "You know... you can tell someone's vain when they quote themselves | | in their own .sig file..." -- Simon Cooke | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 5 22:15:43 1998 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Microsoft.... References: <3.0.1.32.19980505131448.006cdc44@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> <802565FB.005DD11A.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> <3.0.1.32.19980505151528.006d1924@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> <3.0.1.32.19980505164635.006d3550@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware X-{giggle}: Lots! From: The Giggler Date: 05 May 1998 22:12:40 +0100 In-Reply-To: Simon Cooke's message of "Tue, 05 May 1998 16:46:35 -0400" Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.66/Emacs 19.34 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1970 Lines: 58 Simon Cooke writes: > At 09:04 PM 5/5/98 +0100, you wrote: > >Simon Cooke writes: > > > >> You have a linked list... you've got a pointer to (say) the second member > >> of the list. Each item in the list has data, and points to the next item. > >> Assuming that you can only get that pointer to the 2nd item, and can't get > >> one to the first item directly (ie. it's not a doubly linked list), how do > >> you delete the 2nd item? > > > >In C style notation ... > > > >node-type *temp = pointer->next; > >free (pointer); > >pointer = temp; > > Hmmm... but doesn't that leave you with an invalid pointer in the first > item in the linked list? Yep, but unless you can assume that the nodes are stored sequentially in memory you have no way of getting to it so you can't do anything about it ... > >> Devise an efficient method for coming up with a list of every unique word > >> in The Complete Works of Shakespeare. > > > >Use unix, oh and probably either a hash function or a B-Tree ;) > > *grins* I used the algorithm I was using for my assembler -- a trie, but I > modified it and used a balanced binary tree for the different node levels. Yeah, balancing good idea ... > *grins* It's not too hard -- one way is to (in Z80) shift the byte to the > right 8 times, incrementing a counter for each carry flag that's set. Or > something similar. Yeah, but I wouldn't have a clue on how to do it in C since I've never neede to do bit ops ... > >It is if you do it properly, except I imagine you'd get lots of overhead > >due to indirect references (?) > > What about the case where: > > Object A refers to Object B. > Object B refers to Object C. > Object C refers to Object B. > Object A releases its reference to Object B. Objects B & C are now unused > anywhere else in the program, and should be garbage collected. > ? That's what I meant by indirect references ;) Lee. -- Yawn And Walk North From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 5 22:18:05 1998 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Microsoft.... References: <3.0.1.32.19980505123433.006d103c@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> <3.0.1.32.19980505164822.006d2df4@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware X-{giggle}: Lots! From: The Giggler Date: 05 May 1998 22:14:53 +0100 In-Reply-To: Simon Cooke's message of "Tue, 05 May 1998 16:48:22 -0400" Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.66/Emacs 19.34 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1051 Lines: 36 Simon Cooke writes: > At 09:43 PM 5/5/98 +0100, you wrote: > >At 19:20 05/05/98 +0100, you wrote: > >>Simon Cooke writes: > >> > >>> "There are 5 pirates. [yibble yibble] > > > >>The second from bottom pirate (See below) > >> > >>5 1 x x x > >>4 0 4 1 x x > >>3 0 3 0 3 1 x > >>2 0 2 0 2 0 2 1 -His idea is taken > >>1 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 > >> > >>ie if the top pirate says idea 1 the others disagree (Symbolised by the > >>0's) then the top pirate is executed (x) Follow the diagram from left > >>to right .. > > > >nah - the top pirate has the casting vote. There cannot be a tie as there > >are 5 pirates... > > > >If the top pirate bribes 2 of his crew, any 2, he still can get the most > >money out of it... > > But how about if the second-in-command pirate bribes another pirate, once > the leader has been killed? > > That way, two pirates get 50% each... But my way the 2nd from bottom can have all of it if he wants ;) Lee. -- Yawn And Walk North From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 5 22:34:53 1998 From: nevilley@spamblock.nfy53.demon.co.uk (Nev Young) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Hello Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 21:29:20 GMT Organization: nfy53 Message-ID: <355273ad.2920569@post.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 448 Lines: 17 On Mon, 4 May 1998 23:04:01 +0100, "Maria Rookyard" wrote: > Maria grins and replies: > > "No way - I may not have *quite* the same bits as you; but out of all the > body parts I *do* have, I can't think of a single one I'd be prepared to > part with" ;) Nev letches and scribes. Any chance I might borrow a couple then Nev then -- Nev - no longer at nevilley@ndirect.co.uk and getting no spam at all (yet) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 5 22:34:54 1998 From: nevilley@spamblock.nfy53.demon.co.uk (Nev Young) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Microsoft.... Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 21:29:21 GMT Organization: nfy53 Message-ID: <355579fd.4536660@post.demon.co.uk> References: <3.0.1.32.19980505123433.006d103c@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980505123433.006d103c@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1501 Lines: 46 On Tue, 05 May 1998 12:34:33 -0400, Simon Cooke wrote: > > "There are 5 pirates. They find some loot, and want to split it up. There's > a hierarchy from the top pirate down to the underdog pirate. The top pirate > at any time can make a proposal on how to split up the loot. If the > majority of the pirates (including the one making the proposal) agree, the > plan is executed. If there's a tie, the top pirate's plan is executed. If > the top pirate loses, the top pirate is executed. Which pirate can make the > most out of the deal, and why?" Wild guess the guy at the bottom of the pile. because it's me. > > "Take a sphere. There's two poles -- a north and a south pole. Where on the > sphere can you walk South for 1 mile, East for 1 mile, and North for 1 > mile, and arrive back where you started?" > lots and lots of places. there is the north pole and there is a circle of latitude 1 1 + --- 2PI miles north of the south pole. also at points where after going south for 1 mile the circle of lattitude is half a mile, 1 third , 1 quarter etc etc. but the sphere must be large enough that the north pole is at least this far from the south otherwise you would have to spend some time walking north. ================= Oh bugger as I got further down the list of messages I see you have already answerd this. oh well I wrote it so you can bloody well read it. -- Nev - no longer at nevilley@ndirect.co.uk and getting no spam at all (yet) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 5 22:48:05 1998 From: Maria Rookyard To: sam-users Subject: Re: Microsoft.... Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 22:44:55 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 176 Lines: 13 Ermm, so sorry to trouble you, but I seem to be lost. I was looking for the "sam-users" group - but all I can find is the "microsoft-interview(tm)" page... ;) Maria. x From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 5 23:07:09 1998 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Microsoft.... References: X-Mammoth-Status: Aware X-{giggle}: Lots! From: The Giggler Date: 05 May 1998 23:04:09 +0100 In-Reply-To: "Maria Rookyard"'s message of "Tue, 5 May 1998 22:44:55 +0100" Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.66/Emacs 19.34 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 772 Lines: 20 "Maria Rookyard" writes: > Ermm, so sorry to trouble you, but I seem to be lost. I was looking for > the "sam-users" group - but all I can find is the "microsoft-interview(tm)" > page... Didn't anyone tell you? Bob's put Bill Gates (Who Btw is just another alias ;) ) in charge of the SAMSON project 8) Lee. PS. Sorry for the bandwidth hogging but I'm under coursework stress so it was nice to have a few HTML-unrelated problems to think about ;) PS2 (Not to be confused with OS2 :) ) I shall hopefully be back coding on the SAM from June onwards (Maybe ...) unfortunately around the time I lose internet access ;( but I'll try to keep in touch and hopefully you'll see my name around on a few programs again 8) -- Yawn And Walk North From imc Wed May 6 00:43:31 1998 Subject: Re: Microsoft.... In-Reply-To: from The Giggler at "May 5, 98 07:20:06 pm" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 00:43:31 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 1167 Lines: 30 On 05 May 1998 19:20:06 +0100, The Giggler said: > 5 1 x x x > 4 0 4 1 x x > 3 0 3 0 3 1 x > 2 0 2 0 2 0 2 1 -His idea is taken > 1 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 What is this a graph of? I have no idea what these numbers are supposed to mean. Note that if it gets down to two pirates, the top one gets all the loot because the vote will be tied. If it gets down to three pirates, it is in the interest of the bottom pirate to vote in favour because if he votes against he doesn't get anything (see above). So the top pirate gets all the loot except a token gift to the bottom pirate (because if he doesn't give the bottom pirate anything he could vote against just to spite him). If it gets down to four pirates, the next-to-last pirate will probably vote in favour because if the vote fails he won't get anything (see above). So the top pirate gets all the loot except a token gift to that pirate. In the 5-pirate situation, pirate 2 will vote against but pirates 3 and 5 have nothing to lose since they don't get anything if the top pirate goes. So the top pirate gets most of the loot, with small gifts going to pirates 3 and 5. imc From imc Wed May 6 01:03:30 1998 Subject: Re: Microsoft.... In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980505151528.006d1924@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> from Simon Cooke at "May 5, 98 03:15:28 pm" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 01:03:30 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 3058 Lines: 71 On Tue, 05 May 1998 15:15:28 -0400, Simon Cooke said: > You have a linked list... you've got a pointer to (say) the second member > of the list. Each item in the list has data, and points to the next item. > Assuming that you can only get that pointer to the 2nd item, and can't get > one to the first item directly (ie. it's not a doubly linked list), how do > you delete the 2nd item? Copy the data from the third item to the second, then delete the third. > Devise an efficient method for coming up with a list of every unique word > in The Complete Works of Shakespeare. I decline to comment, since one of the practicals I've had to mark 30 of is to come up with a list of each unique word in the Hunting of the Snark together with the count of the number of occurrences of the word. After I'd handed this task to my successor, someone handed in a 90-page practical report for him to mark. > How do you count the number of bits in a byte? n = (n&0x55) + ((n>>1)&0x55); n = (n&0x33) + ((n>>2)&0x33); n = (n&0x07) + ((n>>4)&0x07); > Then, given the formula (in > C) of "b & (b-1)" to use (where b is an unsigned char holding the byte you > want to count the bits in), figure out what you'd use it for in an > algorithm to count the number of bits b & (b-1) equals b with the lowest set bit removed. Therefore, for(c=0; b; c++) b&=(b-1); counts the number of set bits in b. > How would you write a parser that can tell you if you've got a valid, null > terminated, numerical expression, which can contain the following: + - () > 0123456789 (eg 5+(4-3+(2-1))). It must also evaluate the expression. See Spectrum ROM, routine SCANNING (24FB), which I've implemented several (well, at least two) times in different languages. > Write a routine that take a character, 8 bits wide (SAM font format!), and > of arbitrary length, and writes it into a buffer space of arbitrary width > and height, with 8 bits per pixel, that also clips the character to the > edges of the buffer. I didn't bother to understand this question. :-) > Write a routine to calculate the intersection of two rectangles. Sort the four xs and four ys in increasing order, and if both sets are interleaved (i.e., the first two elements of the list are not from the same rectangle) then take the middle two elements of each list. Example: r1 has corners (4,5) and (6,9); r2 has corners (5,4) and (6,6) then x list is 4(r1) 5(r2) 6(r1) 6(r2) and y list is 4(r2) 5(r1) 6(r2) 9(r1) so the intersection is from (5,5) to (6,6); area 1. > Explain why reference counting isn't a 100% foolproof way of doing garbage > collection. Lost cycles. That's why only the superuser (or in some cases no user at all) is allowed to make hard links to directories in Unix systems. Did you know that in Solaris 2.5.1 the sequence $ mkdir /tmp/foo $ mkdir /tmp/foo/bar $ mv /tmp/foo /tmp/foo/bar/foo is allowed and creates a lost cycle? Fortunately this isn't allowed on real file systems (/tmp is a special file system implemented in VM). imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 6 02:06:56 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980505205945.006dcf60@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 20:59:45 -0400 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Microsoft.... In-Reply-To: <199805060003.BAA06766@ruby.comlab> References: <3.0.1.32.19980505151528.006d1924@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 636 Lines: 17 Someone give Ian a prize -- I'm too far away! :) Bingo on all of them... though on the pirates one, I'm still not 100% sure if you can get away with giving them gifts that are really small. Then again, I'm thinking in terms of greedy pirates who can bargain with one another, whereas the question is asking about idealised pirates... :) Simon +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "You know... you can tell someone's vain when they quote themselves | | in their own .sig file..." -- Simon Cooke | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 6 08:15:16 1998 From: Maria Rookyard To: sam-users Subject: Re: Microsoft.... (Pirates) Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 08:06:06 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 396 Lines: 14 You're all completely wrong about this pirates one. Surely everyone knows that the pirate who gets all the loot is the one who's handiest with a cutlass or pistol or whatever it is pirates use these days. Honestly, don't you guys know *any* pirates? ;) Maria. xx P.S. Simon - sorry about last night (bad day all round) :( P.P.S. Nev - I think my husband wants a word with you... ;) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 6 10:07:59 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <802565FC.00316038.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 10:02:02 +0100 Subject: Re: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 380 Lines: 21 Hi David: >Hey! A SAM related question! >How the feck do u get .pak files working? I've never had a problem with .pak files. Although, I may not remember off-hand how to do them. Basically, do this: Start with a freshly booted system with samdos loaded. clear 31999 check the length and autorun addresses of the file load "file.pak"code 32000, length, startaddr Justin. From imc Wed May 6 10:11:14 1998 Subject: Re: To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 10:11:14 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <802565FC.00316038.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> from "Justin_Skists@case.co.uk" at May 6, 98 10:02:02 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 480 Lines: 17 On Wed, 6 May 1998 10:02:02 +0100, Justin_Skists@case.co.uk said: > check the length and autorun addresses of the file > > load "file.pak"code 32000, length, startaddr As far as I know, load "file.pak" code 32000 call 32000 should also work. If you've got the file off the net it wwill just be a piece of raw code and thus won't have a startaddr. Personally I've had mixed success with pak files off the net. At least some of them have worked using the above method. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 6 10:20:24 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <802565FC.0032AB99.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 10:14:12 +0100 Subject: Re: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 257 Lines: 19 >check the length and autorun addresses of the file >load "file.pak"code 32000, length, startaddr >Justin. Oops, should be: load "file.pak"code 32000, length, 32000 then wait for a lickle while.... It'll tell you to put a clean disk in. Justin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 6 10:20:26 1998 Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 11:12:53 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9805060912.AA03994@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 473 Lines: 19 > >Hey! A SAM related question! > >How the feck do u get .pak files working? > > I've never had a problem with .pak files. Although, I may not remember > off-hand > how to do them. Basically, do this: > > Start with a freshly booted system with samdos loaded. > > clear 31999 > > check the length and autorun addresses of the file > > load "file.pak"code 32000, length, startaddr I found it best to load it into the unpak-er and do it manually from there. -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 6 12:42:30 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980506123417.0072cc20@pop.enterprise.net> X-Sender: markus@pop.enterprise.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 12:34:17 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Mark Hillman Subject: Superfluous SAM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 250 Lines: 8 er not wishing to use this as uk.adverts.SAMcoupe but I seem to have inherited an extra SAM. Whereforeabouts would the best place be to advertise such a beastie... Markus.... ...Deja Moo: The feeling that you've heard this bullshit before... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 6 12:42:31 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980506010014.00731e44@pop.enterprise.net> X-Sender: markus@pop.enterprise.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 01:00:14 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Mark Hillman Subject: Re: Microsoft.... In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.19980505123433.006d103c@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> <3.0.1.32.19980505214325.00732418@pop.enterprise.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1438 Lines: 37 >> nah - the top pirate has the casting vote. There cannot be a tie as there >> are 5 pirates... > >In the original case but as shown if all the others disagree on the >first time round then there could be a tie in the second round when the >original top pirate has been executed ... ah but the top pirate in the 1st place knows this... Therefore he will take the most money he can get away with without being executed. If he just decides to take the money he dies - so he convinces 2 of his crew to ratify his plan for dividing. they walk off with all the loot between the 3 of them and the 2 dissenting pirates get sod all. If you take the view that all the pirates are stupid (in which case how the hell did they find the loot anyway without getting lost on the north circular) and they all want all the money and don't notice the execution clause, then the chain of command filters down so that the 1st 3 get killed leaving the penultimate pirate (the 4th one) to take all the money with the 5th guy getting nothing. It's also then possible that the top pirate to start with gets it all as he can argue that pirates 2 and 3 will be killed anyway so they'd better vote for him rather than wind up dead - leaving 4 and 5 with nothing. However you look at this the top pirate wins. Markus... ___^. .^ @/ (_@_) \ __ / || || lePIG .sig From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 6 15:49:27 1998 From: The Mad Goose Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 15:37:26 GMT+0 Subject: Re: I'm very, very sorry... X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <134DC2F7467@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1101 Lines: 24 > I'm truly very sorry to have to say this, I wish I never had to > mention the bloody names again, but I'd just like to point out (in > case you hadn't noticed), that on the very same day that Bob put me > in his kill file (because I asked him what happened to my late > Formats, and also because I asked SAM_Clock buyers if they had > received the letters that were apparently sent out) - that Bill > Ritman and Samsboss suddenly reappear so that Bob can make his nasty > comments to me and others, without ruining his own good (hah!) name. > Please Mr. List Owner, can we get rid of them once and for all, so > that we never ever have to mention them again? > > Gavin > I disagree. ALthough Bob gets on my tits from time to time he is worth having on the list because he has so much nifluence on the sam scene. samsboss is a waste of space, and although he is a bit dodgy,. we havenb't proved Bill Ritman does NOT exist yet have we? If he does, then hje is entitled to his views... Peace, Love, Kisses... Johnna Pig Teare JPOL: http://www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna "It's good to be free..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 6 19:24:21 1998 Message-Id: <199805061750.SAA14055@hermes.clara.net> From: persona@mail.clara.net To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 17:47:05 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Superfluous SAM In-reply-to: <3.0.1.32.19980506123417.0072cc20@pop.enterprise.net> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 582 Lines: 19 > Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 12:34:17 +0100 > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > From: Mark Hillman > Subject: Superfluous SAM > Reply-to: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > er not wishing to use this as uk.adverts.SAMcoupe but I seem to have > inherited an extra SAM. > > Whereforeabouts would the best place be to advertise such a beastie... > > Markus.... Depends how much you want for it... Uncle Bobby buys second hand SAMs at times or so I've been told... and I'm after a spare myself (if the price is right ;) .... david From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 6 19:24:22 1998 From: Kevin Cooper Organization: NetConnect LITE User Date: 6 May 98 17:23:13 +0000 Subject: Bye Message-Id: <35509C81.MD-0.196.kev@kc.u-net.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: MicroDot-II/AmigaOS 0.196 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 78 Lines: 6 Hello all, Just a quick message to say bye because I'm unsubscribing. Kev. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 6 19:24:22 1998 Message-Id: <001501bd7919$87724c40$2714a8c2@sparky> From: Gavin Smith To: sam-users Subject: Re: I'm very, very sorry... Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 19:00:47 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1313 Lines: 33 From: The Mad Goose [snippety snip] >> Please Mr. List Owner, can we get rid of them once and for all, so >> that we never ever have to mention them again? >> >> Gavin >> > >I disagree. ALthough Bob gets on my tits from time to time he is >worth having on the list because he has so much nifluence on the sam >scene. samsboss is a waste of space, and although he is a bit dodgy,. > we havenb't proved Bill Ritman does NOT exist yet have we? If he >does, then hje is entitled to his views... > >Peace, Love, Kisses... >Johnna Pig Teare I agree that everyone is perfectly entitled to their own view, but I don't think it's fair to invent clones, for the seemingly sole purpose of backing himself up, and to harrass people on this list. I mean, if you haven't had any abusive mail from Samsboss/Bill Ritman (even a few from Bob), then I'm pleased for you, but a lot of people have been sent blatantly abusive emails (being called things such as "a stupid fu*king little c*nt" for wanting to start my own independent SAM fanzine, for example). Bob is entitled to his own views, and in fact I welcome the fact that he has different ideas from most of us, for the sake of variety and new ideas, but I don't like the fact that he doesn't stand on his own two feet to make his points. Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 6 19:24:22 1998 Message-Id: <199805061754.SAA00832@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 18:54:36 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Microsoft.... In-reply-to: <199805060003.BAA06766@ruby.comlab> References: <3.0.1.32.19980505151528.006d1924@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> from Simon Cooke at "May 5, 98 03:15:28 pm" X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 2129 Lines: 49 > Copy the data from the third item to the second, then delete the third. but what if the list is only two items long? snarf > > How do you count the number of bits in a byte? > > n = (n&0x55) + ((n>>1)&0x55); > n = (n&0x33) + ((n>>2)&0x33); > n = (n&0x07) + ((n>>4)&0x07); crikey! er, does that work? could someone run it by me? the other way, of course, is to have a lookup table (ie, the optimized for speed variant) with 256 entries. > > Write a routine that take a character, 8 bits wide (SAM font format!), and > > of arbitrary length, and writes it into a buffer space of arbitrary width > > and height, with 8 bits per pixel, that also clips the character to the > > edges of the buffer. > > I didn't bother to understand this question. :-) well, basically, expand 1-bit-per-pixel data into 8-bits-per-pixel data, clipping to the pixel-width and pixel-height of a buffer. does it mean scaling the character to fill the buffer though? i assumed it meant clipping if buffer_width < 8 and/or buffer_height < character_height, else just putting the stuff into the top-left corner of the buffer and leaving the rest alone. i'd use a 256*8 array, with each entry either a 255 or a 0. this entry represents the 8-bpp mask based on the bit value of the row index. ie, entry (171,0) = 255, (171,1) = 0, (171,2) = 255, ... and so on for every other value from 0-255. not optimised for memory, but optimised for speed, kindof. > Sort the four xs and four ys in increasing order, and if both sets are > interleaved (i.e., the first two elements of the list are not from the > same rectangle) then take the middle two elements of each list. > Example: r1 has corners (4,5) and (6,9); r2 has corners (5,4) and (6,6) > then x list is 4(r1) 5(r2) 6(r1) 6(r2) and y list is 4(r2) 5(r1) 6(r2) 9(r1) > so the intersection is from (5,5) to (6,6); area 1. ... well, only if both rectangles are orthogonal to the axes... do i mean orthogonal? sounds like i just used the wrong word. whatever. the above only works if the horizontals and verticals of the rectangles are parallel to the x and y axes respectively. dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 6 19:24:23 1998 Message-Id: <199805061802.TAA01860@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 19:01:28 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Superfluous SAM In-reply-to: <199805061750.SAA14055@hermes.clara.net> References: <3.0.1.32.19980506123417.0072cc20@pop.enterprise.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1446 Lines: 33 > Uncle Bobby buys second hand SAMs at times or so I've been told... > and I'm after a spare myself (if the price is right ;) .... define 'right price'. i'm thinking of disposing of mine, because a) i never use it, b) i'm not going to use it in the foreseeable future, c) i recently bought a pc so any future investments are likely to be towards said pc and not towards any old, outdated, loveable, historic hardware, d) i think i'm better off developing pc software than sam software, and e) i don't develop hardware. i think that last one clinches it. if i did, i'd use the sam (or failing that one of the speccies i have lying around still). why not chuck out my speccies too, and be done with it all? one's my sister's, and the other's technically my dad's. the sam is all mine, and frankly, this town ain't big enough for the both of us (" my desk ain't big enough for a sam and a pc" ). er, although, before i get rid of it, i want to use it to convert my extensive catalog of speccy tapes into Z80 .z80 or .sna format so i can still play them. and i'd probably want to do something similar to my sam software, simcoupe willing. but, just so i'm prepared, define 'right price'. i wouldn't sell the sam (with psu, 1 disk drive and comms iface) for less than 60 quid, i don't think, but then again, i don't think i'd get anything more than 60 quid for it. what does anyone else think? (full working order, btw) dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 6 19:47:39 1998 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Superfluous SAM References: <3.0.1.32.19980506123417.0072cc20@pop.enterprise.net> <199805061802.TAA01860@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware X-{giggle}: Lots! From: The Giggler Date: 06 May 1998 19:31:42 +0100 In-Reply-To: "Dave Hooper"'s message of "Wed, 6 May 1998 19:01:28 +0000" Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.66/Emacs 19.34 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 446 Lines: 13 "Dave Hooper" <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> writes: > er, although, before i get rid of it, i want to use it to convert my > extensive catalog of speccy tapes into Z80 .z80 or .sna format so i > can still play them. and i'd probably want to do something similar to > my sam software, simcoupe willing. But obviously you'd keep hold of the original tapes/discs, wouldn't want to infringe copyright now would we ;) Lee. -- Yawn And Walk North From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 6 19:47:40 1998 Message-Id: <005501bd791d$9055da80$2714a8c2@sparky> From: Gavin Smith To: sam-users Subject: Re: Superfluous SAM Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 19:34:05 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 408 Lines: 19 >> er not wishing to use this as uk.adverts.SAMcoupe but I seem to have >> inherited an extra SAM. >> >> Whereforeabouts would the best place be to advertise such a beastie... >> >> Markus.... > >Depends how much you want for it... > >Uncle Bobby buys second hand SAMs at times or so I've been told... >and I'm after a spare myself (if the price is right ;) .... > >david Me too! Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 6 19:47:41 1998 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: I'm very, very sorry... References: <001501bd7919$87724c40$2714a8c2@sparky> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware X-{giggle}: Lots! From: The Giggler Date: 06 May 1998 19:42:32 +0100 In-Reply-To: "Gavin Smith"'s message of "Wed, 6 May 1998 19:00:47 +0100" Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.66/Emacs 19.34 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 943 Lines: 22 "Gavin Smith" writes: > I agree that everyone is perfectly entitled to their own view, but I don't > think it's fair to invent clones, for the seemingly sole purpose of backing > himself up, and to harrass people on this list. Now I don't get on with Bill or samsboss or even Bob particularly well but then again I don't have any proof that they are the same person. Admittedly I don't have any proof that they're not, but you have to assume that they're not. I'm not saying that you have to give any weight to their opinions (I certainly don't until they prove to me who they are ...) but you can't blame their actions/comments on Bob unless you have concrete proof he was responsible for them. > I mean, if you haven't had any abusive mail from Samsboss/Bill Ritman Yes I have, but I lend no weight to their arguments (Unless they're correct) and even less to their opinions ... Lee. -- Yawn And Walk North From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 6 19:47:41 1998 Message-Id: <199805061839.TAA05891@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 19:38:50 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Superfluous SAM References: "Dave Hooper"'s message of "Wed, 6 May 1998 19:01:28 +0000" In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 556 Lines: 11 > > er, although, before i get rid of it, i want to use it to convert my > > extensive catalog of speccy tapes into Z80 .z80 or .sna format so i > > can still play them. and i'd probably want to do something similar to > > my sam software, simcoupe willing. > > But obviously you'd keep hold of the original tapes/discs, wouldn't want > to infringe copyright now would we ;) well, i've already paid for them, and no bugger'd want them, so i could just make them all .sna files and then chuck them all out, or give em away to a museum, or something. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 6 19:58:09 1998 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Superfluous SAM References: "Dave Hooper"'s message of "Wed, 6 May 1998 19:01:28 +0000" <199805061839.TAA05891@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware X-{giggle}: Lots! From: The Giggler Date: 06 May 1998 19:52:02 +0100 In-Reply-To: "Dave Hooper"'s message of "Wed, 6 May 1998 19:38:50 +0000" Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.66/Emacs 19.34 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 912 Lines: 23 "Dave Hooper" <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> writes: > > > er, although, before i get rid of it, i want to use it to convert my > > > extensive catalog of speccy tapes into Z80 .z80 or .sna format so i > > > can still play them. and i'd probably want to do something similar to > > > my sam software, simcoupe willing. > > > > But obviously you'd keep hold of the original tapes/discs, wouldn't want > > to infringe copyright now would we ;) > > well, i've already paid for them, and no bugger'd want them, so i > could just make them all .sna files and then chuck them all out, or > give em away to a museum, or something. That's against copyright though, you may only retain a copy of something if you still have the original. Ie if I bought a CD, copied it to MD and then splintered the CD and binned it I would be infringeing copyright by keeping my MD copy ;) Crap innit Lee. -- Yawn And Walk North From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 6 19:58:09 1998 Message-Id: <199805061850.TAA07288@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 19:50:24 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Microsoft.... In-reply-to: <199805061754.SAA00832@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> References: <199805060003.BAA06766@ruby.comlab> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 151 Lines: 6 > > n = (n&0x55) + ((n>>1)&0x55); > > n = (n&0x33) + ((n>>2)&0x33); > > n = (n&0x07) + ((n>>4)&0x07); oh, i get it now. still don't see WHY it works. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 6 20:27:08 1998 Message-Id: <007a01bd7922$65c68580$2714a8c2@sparky> From: Gavin Smith To: sam-users Subject: Re: I'm very, very sorry... Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 20:08:41 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 504 Lines: 13 From: The Giggler >but you can't blame their actions/comments on Bob >unless you have concrete proof he was responsible for them. Not wishing for this mailing list to once again sink to the great Samsboss/Bill Ritman debate, if you want, I'll send you (and anyone else), as many bits of evidence and points that I can think of. Apart from anything, the fact they got people's addresses from this list, and sent them abusive email, is, IMHO, enough to get rid of them. Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 6 20:42:51 1998 Message-Id: <199805061933.UAA01240@hermes.clara.net> From: persona@mail.clara.net To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 19:29:31 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: I'm very, very sorry... In-reply-to: <007a01bd7922$65c68580$2714a8c2@sparky> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 896 Lines: 24 > From: "Gavin Smith" > To: > Subject: Re: I'm very, very sorry... > Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 20:08:41 +0100 > Reply-to: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Not wishing for this mailing list to once again sink to the great > Samsboss/Bill Ritman debate, if you want, I'll send you (and anyone else), > as many bits of evidence and points that I can think of. Apart from > anything, the fact they got people's addresses from this list, and sent them > abusive email, is, IMHO, enough to get rid of them. > > Gavin I've a kill-file type thing set up on my account too... can't think where that idea came from! /-----------------------------------------------/ \ If you're really desperate... take a look at \ / My web site at www.persona.clara.net/wibble/ / \________________________________________________\ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 6 20:50:50 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980506153712.006dfd60@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 15:37:12 -0400 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Microsoft.... In-Reply-To: <199805061850.TAA07288@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> References: <199805061754.SAA00832@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> <199805060003.BAA06766@ruby.comlab> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 965 Lines: 24 At 07:50 PM 5/6/98 +0000, you wrote: >> > n = (n&0x55) + ((n>>1)&0x55); >> > n = (n&0x33) + ((n>>2)&0x33); >> > n = (n&0x07) + ((n>>4)&0x07); > >oh, i get it now. >still don't see WHY it works. Well, let's see: 1st step: take bits 6,4,2,0. Add them to (bits 7,5,3,1)/2. So what you're adding is: (for say, n = 01110101) (n & 55) (n>>1)&0x55 01010101 + 00010000 = 01100101 (because you're adding two numbers of the form 0n0n0n0n, you've just created a condition where adding will only cause a single carry up to the next position in the binary number. I don't have time to explain the rest, but use a table of of logic values and watch what it's doing at each step!) Simon +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "You know... you can tell someone's vain when they quote themselves | | in their own .sig file..." -- Simon Cooke | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 6 21:13:42 1998 Message-Id: <199805061950.UAA12529@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 20:50:12 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Microsoft.... In-reply-to: <3.0.1.32.19980506153712.006dfd60@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> References: <199805061850.TAA07288@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 211 Lines: 8 > >> > n = (n&0x55) + ((n>>1)&0x55); > >> > n = (n&0x33) + ((n>>2)&0x33); > >> > n = (n&0x07) + ((n>>4)&0x07); is this actually common knowledge, or did you actually come up with this during the test? ! dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 6 22:14:33 1998 Date: Wed, 6 May 98 21:43:48 GMT Message-ID: <1047_OASIS_@lhutz.demon.co.uk> From: James@lhutz.demon.co.uk (James R Curry) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Mailer: OASIS Post Box (Atari) v1.31E Subject: Re: Microsoft.... X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 563 Lines: 23 In E-Mail <9805050639.AA01877@asmal.edh-net> ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) wrote:- >> And the best thing about Seattle? > >Best thing with Seattle? It's close to British Columbia. Actually, I've always wanted to see Seattle... __ James R Curry - James@lhutz.demon.co.uk "You're missing the point! The individual doesn't matter. It was a team effort, and I was the one who came up with the whole team idea...me!" - Homer Simpson, The Simpsons. Please insert meaningless promise about The Official James R Curry web page here... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 6 22:44:01 1998 From: JAdams1644 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 17:41:15 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Sam coupe Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 169 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 243 Lines: 4 I have been a sam user for sometime now but like many it is gathering dust somewhere. I am new to the mailing list but can someone give me news about Sam today. News,latest games , new hardware etc. Infact the more info the better. john adams From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 6 22:52:07 1998 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam coupe References: X-Mammoth-Status: Aware X-{giggle}: Lots! From: The Giggler Date: 06 May 1998 22:48:31 +0100 In-Reply-To: JAdams1644's message of "Wed, 6 May 1998 17:41:15 EDT" Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.66/Emacs 19.34 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 984 Lines: 25 JAdams1644 writes: > I have been a sam user for sometime now but like many it is gathering dust > somewhere. I am new to the mailing list but can someone give me news about Sam > today. News,latest games , new hardware etc. Infact the more info the better. > john adams Hi again john (if you've read my post on comp.sys.sinclair). On this list you'll find out pretty much everything that's going on with the sam as long as you try to ignore the occasional bickering and concentrate on the matter in hand ... If there's anything you'd like to know then feel free to ask as some of the most knowledgeable and involved SAM people are here on this list. Personally I can't give you that much info right now as I've been dormant on the scene for some time due to unfortunate other commitments but I'm sure by tomorrow you'll have heard the latest news from a few of the others. Welcome to Sam-users and I hope you enjoy your stay :) Lee. -- Yawn And Walk North From imc Wed May 6 23:08:05 1998 Subject: Re: Microsoft.... In-Reply-To: <199805061950.UAA12529@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> from Dave Hooper at "May 6, 98 08:50:12 pm" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 23:08:05 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 371 Lines: 12 On Wed, 6 May 1998 20:50:12 +0000, Dave Hooper said: > > >> > n = (n&0x55) + ((n>>1)&0x55); > > >> > n = (n&0x33) + ((n>>2)&0x33); > > >> > n = (n&0x07) + ((n>>4)&0x07); > is this actually common knowledge, or did you actually come up with > this during the test? ! I didn't invent it. Common knowledge, using a rather narrow definition of "common", I suppose. imc From imc Wed May 6 23:10:34 1998 Subject: Re: Microsoft.... In-Reply-To: <199805061754.SAA00832@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> from Dave Hooper at "May 6, 98 06:54:36 pm" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 23:10:34 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 516 Lines: 11 On Wed, 6 May 1998 18:54:36 +0000, Dave Hooper said: > ... well, only if both rectangles are orthogonal to the axes... do i > mean orthogonal? sounds like i just used the wrong word. whatever. > the above only works if the horizontals and verticals of the > rectangles are parallel to the x and y axes respectively. That is true. I wonder if that's what they meant. Anyway, in the general case it looks like you have to solve simultaneous equations to find all possible intersection points of the lines. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 6 23:26:17 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980506181626.006e7fc4@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 18:16:26 -0400 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Microsoft.... In-Reply-To: <199805062210.XAA09156@ruby.comlab> References: <199805061754.SAA00832@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1098 Lines: 22 At 11:10 PM 5/6/98 +0100, you wrote: >On Wed, 6 May 1998 18:54:36 +0000, Dave Hooper said: >> ... well, only if both rectangles are orthogonal to the axes... do i >> mean orthogonal? sounds like i just used the wrong word. whatever. >> the above only works if the horizontals and verticals of the >> rectangles are parallel to the x and y axes respectively. > >That is true. I wonder if that's what they meant. Anyway, in the >general case it looks like you have to solve simultaneous equations >to find all possible intersection points of the lines. They meant in the simple case, where you're dealing with rectangles drawn with lines that are on the x and y axes. Intersection of rectangles at arbitrary angles is a pain. I've done it in some Java work I was doing though. It's still painful. Simon +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "You know... you can tell someone's vain when they quote themselves | | in their own .sig file..." -- Simon Cooke | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 6 23:26:17 1998 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 23:20:44 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Ian Dalziel Subject: Re: Hello In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.04 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 346 Lines: 12 In article , BrenchleyR writes >Now, define what you mean by modern >software? If you mean the bloatware that takes up 100Mb of drive space to give >you nothing more than you can get on software that is 5 years old, then no - Couldn't agree more. Oh b******s what have I done... -- Ian Dalziel From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 7 01:36:29 1998 Message-Id: <199805070034.BAA04211@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Paul Walker Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 01:34:04 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Microsoft.... In-reply-to: <3.0.1.32.19980505151528.006d1924@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> References: <199805051847.TAA22367@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 755 Lines: 21 > Assuming that you can only get that pointer to the 2nd item, and can't get > one to the first item directly (ie. it's not a doubly linked list), how do > you delete the 2nd item? Are we allowed to do dodgy memory type things, such as moving the 3rd item to where the 2nd was? If not, I have to confess I've no idea. > How would you write a parser that can tell you if you've got a valid, null > terminated, numerical expression, which can contain the following: + - () > 0123456789 (eg 5+(4-3+(2-1))). It must also evaluate the expression. I use JavaCC... Paul -- ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ---- FidoNet: 2:254/60.11 2:442/103.13 ---> http://www.trak-one.co.uk/foti <--- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 7 03:05:12 1998 Message-Id: <001601bd795c$162de2e0$0e14a8c2@sparky> From: Gavin Smith To: sam-users Subject: Re: Sam coupe Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 03:01:41 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 934 Lines: 25 From: JAdams1644 >I have been a sam user for sometime now but like many it is gathering dust >somewhere. I am new to the mailing list but can someone give me news about Sam >today. News,latest games , new hardware etc. Infact the more info the better. >john adams Hi John :) Welcome to SAM-Users. Erm, if the Microsoft thread sounds complicated, don't worry, we erm don't usually talk about that ;) News - Internal hard drive called Atom released very soon by Persona Fred Publishing has a new owner, Bob says its Allan Clarkson, I don't think it is;) Latest games - Well, best game is Stratosphere by Quazar, but Persona have a few quite recent ones (cheque's in the post actually :) Erm. It's too late to think about this stuff. Subscribe to Blitz, it's the best disk mag at the moment, see www.persona.clara.net for more details - it will give u all the news and stuff that u need :) Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 7 12:32:36 1998 From: Aley Keprt Organization: CS Dept., Palacky University To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 13:26:56 MET Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Sim Coupe 0.781a available X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <8326513C71@infnw.inf.upol.cz> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1347 Lines: 29 Hello everybody, Sim Coupe 0.781a is ready to be downloaded on my web site. It is a derived work from version 0.78. Sources, DOS EXE and documentation available. --------------------------------------------------------------- Aley [eili] Keprt - student, programmer (audio software etc.) phone: +420-68-98545 e-mail: AleyKeprt@bigfoot.com !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!! Long mails >30KB send to: KeprtA@alpha.upol.cz !!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ---------------------------------------------------------------- >>> THE BEST WWW PAGES: http://www.inf.upol.cz/~keprta <<< ---------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------- Aley [eili] Keprt - student, programmer (audio software etc.) phone: +420-68-98545 e-mail: AleyKeprt@bigfoot.com !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!! Long mails >30KB send to: KeprtA@alpha.upol.cz !!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ---------------------------------------------------------------- >>> THE BEST WWW PAGES: http://www.inf.upol.cz/~keprta <<< ---------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 7 17:43:37 1998 From: JAdams1644 Message-ID: <7decd7ce.3551e1f2@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 12:31:45 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Sam coupe FAQ Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 169 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 241 Lines: 5 I have only just returned to the Sam scens and already i have noticed that there is still interested in the computer. I also see the FAQ have not been updated since 1994. I am willing to redo them but need your help? Any offers? john adams From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 7 18:03:34 1998 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam coupe FAQ References: <7decd7ce.3551e1f2@aol.com> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware X-{giggle}: Lots! From: The Giggler Date: 07 May 1998 17:45:20 +0100 In-Reply-To: JAdams1644's message of "Thu, 7 May 1998 12:31:45 EDT" Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.66/Emacs 19.34 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 902 Lines: 24 JAdams1644 writes: > I have only just returned to the Sam scens and already i have noticed that > there is still interested in the computer. I also see the FAQ have not been > updated since 1994. I am willing to redo them but need your help? > Any offers? Well, what sort of things do you think should go in since the only frequently asked question around is here seems to be something along the lines of 'Is Bob capable of finding his own arse with both hands ...?' (The answer of being of course he can :) After all we are all friends here ;) Seriously though if you need any specific information or have any suggestions about what you think should go in there then type 'em all down and we'll let you know what we think. Btw which FAQ are you talking about? I presume you mean Tim Paveley's but I haven't read it for quite some time ... Hth Lee. -- Yawn And Walk North From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 7 19:30:34 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: POSTMASTER From: Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <802565FD.00659E7E.00@uks.postmaster.co.uk> Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 19:30:06 +0100 Subject: Re: I'm very, very sorry... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1382 Lines: 42 | "Gavin Smith" writes: | | > I agree that everyone is perfectly entitled to their own view, but I don't | > think it's fair to invent clones, for the seemingly sole purpose of backing | > himself up, and to harrass people on this list. | | Now I don't get on with Bill or samsboss or even Bob particularly well | but then again I don't have any proof that they are the same | person. Admittedly I don't have any proof that they're not, but you | have to assume that they're not. I'm not saying that you have to give | any weight to their opinions (I certainly don't until they prove to me | who they are ...) but you can't blame their actions/comments on Bob | unless you have concrete proof he was responsible for them. Thank you Mr Giggler for having a little sanity. Gavin has this really daft idea that he can connect people who are not connected. You have my word, as a fellow Sam owner, that Gavin is wrong in his claims. | | > I mean, if you haven't had any abusive mail from Samsboss/Bill Ritman | | Yes I have, but I lend no weight to their arguments (Unless they're | correct) and even less to their opinions ... As is your right mr friend. | | Lee. | -- | Yawn And Walk North -- Samsboss - The One And Only. Accept No Others. ___________________________________ To sign up for a free email account, visit http://www.postmaster.co.uk. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 7 22:06:46 1998 From: JAdams1644 Message-ID: <690f7eb2.3552217b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 17:02:50 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Sam coupe FAQ Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 169 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 245 Lines: 6 Yes the FAQ I have is Tim's and it really needs updating. I intend to post it monthly on this mailing list. I will send you all questions later. john adams http://members.aol.com/Jaguser1/jagclub or http://members.aol.com/jadams1644/porttimes From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 7 23:37:10 1998 From: Dean Liversidge To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 23:13:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: NVG Uploads In-reply-to: References: Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 245 Lines: 17 Hi Frode, I,ve just uploaded some more of Dave Whitmore's Sam Coupe Adventure Club magazine disks into incoming. Can you pop them into pub\Sam-coupe\magazines\SCAC, i think? Issues 7, 8 & 9: SCAC7 SCAC8 SCAC9 Cheers ! -- Dean Liversidge From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 8 01:22:33 1998 From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: I'm very, very sorry... Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 00:14:17 GMT Message-ID: <35584d4d.57255079@mail.enterprise.net> References: <199805061933.UAA01240@hermes.clara.net> In-Reply-To: <199805061933.UAA01240@hermes.clara.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 743 Lines: 26 On Mon, 4 May 1998 19:29:31 +0000, persona@mail.clara.net wrote: Hi David, I'm not being funny, but your clock needs adjusting - or your ISP is playing silly buggers with your 'time'. I always seem to miss your posts because they get pushed back before messages I've already seen. >> abusive email, is, IMHO, enough to get rid of them. >> >> Gavin > >I've a kill-file type thing set up on my account too... > >can't think where that idea came from! > > >/-----------------------------------------------/ >\ If you're really desperate... take a look at \ >/ My web site at www.persona.clara.net/wibble/ / >\________________________________________________\ Bye, _ |_)ave (/\)hitmore http://homepages.enterprise.net/davewhitmore/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 8 11:06:55 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <340a92a4.3552d479@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 05:46:32 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Sam coupe FAQ Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 399 Lines: 13 In a message dated 07/05/98 21:04:33, you write: > >Yes the FAQ I have is Tim's and it really needs updating. I intend to post it >monthly on this mailing list. I will send you all questions later. >john adams Mmmm. While a commend you for taking on such a task, I don't think posting it to this mailing list would be a very good idea. Either keep it as a web site or upload it to NVG. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 8 12:01:58 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <340a92a4.3552d479@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 11:38:29 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Sam coupe FAQ X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1208 Lines: 30 At 10:46 am +0100 8/5/98, BrenchleyR wrote: >In a message dated 07/05/98 21:04:33, you write: > >> >>Yes the FAQ I have is Tim's and it really needs updating. I intend to post it >>monthly on this mailing list. I will send you all questions later. >>john adams > >Mmmm. While a commend you for taking on such a task, I don't think posting it >to this mailing list would be a very good idea. Either keep it as a web site >or upload it to NVG. Actually, it's fairly normal to upload the FAQ to a mailing list or newsgroup every month or so. Come on, it's not *that* much of a file to download, is it? Besides, while the FAQ's still being modified, it will give this list something useful to discuss.... Andrew --- +-----------------+----------------------------+--------------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | " | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk | Get your kicks | +-----------------+----------------------------+ on 8.124038405 | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | " | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | anon | +----------------------------------------------+--------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 8 12:02:06 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <802565FE.003B0329.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 11:47:29 +0100 Subject: Comet asm? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 321 Lines: 9 How much is the comet assembler these days? And where can I get it from? (questions that can be quickly asked here before I go home from wark and check the latest Format) I think I've tracked down my non-enthusiasm-of-coding to the fact that I'm fed up with developing my native SAM XOS on a CP/M assembler... Justin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 8 12:18:35 1998 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam coupe FAQ References: X-Mammoth-Status: Aware X-{giggle}: Lots! From: The Giggler Date: 08 May 1998 12:14:36 +0100 In-Reply-To: Andrew Collier's message of "Fri, 8 May 1998 11:38:29 +0100" Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.66/Emacs 19.34 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1414 Lines: 38 Andrew Collier writes: > At 10:46 am +0100 8/5/98, BrenchleyR wrote: > >In a message dated 07/05/98 21:04:33, you write: > > > >> > >>Yes the FAQ I have is Tim's and it really needs updating. I intend to post it > >>monthly on this mailing list. I will send you all questions later. > >>john adams > > > >Mmmm. While a commend you for taking on such a task, I don't think posting it > >to this mailing list would be a very good idea. Either keep it as a web site > >or upload it to NVG. > > Actually, it's fairly normal to upload the FAQ to a mailing list or > newsgroup every month or so. Come on, it's not *that* much of a file to > download, is it? Yeah, but I wouldn't consider this list big enough to warrant it, after all 99% of use are probably the ones that are fed up answering the FAQs anyway ... > Besides, while the FAQ's still being modified, it will give this list > something useful to discuss.... I'll agree with that here, I don't object to proposals and discussions on future FAQs for inclusion but I think it'd be slight overkill to post it here every month, perhaps post the URL once a month (Or even a week since I've always felt that a lot of people will post after 4/5 days on a ng or list anyway and posting the URL once a week would mean there'd be a better chance of them seeing the FAQ before posting irrelevancies etc.) just my 2p Lee. -- Yawn And Walk North From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 8 14:05:29 1998 Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 14:55:42 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9805081255.AA19722@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: NVG Uploads X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 212 Lines: 10 > I,ve just uploaded some more of Dave Whitmore's Sam Coupe Adventure > Club magazine disks into incoming. > > Can you pop them into pub\Sam-coupe\magazines\SCAC, i think? > > Issues 7, 8 & 9. Done. -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 8 14:16:57 1998 From: JAdams1644 Message-ID: <5e26affc.35530430@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 09:10:07 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: FAQ or WEb page Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 169 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 310 Lines: 5 I value all your comments .I have asked the same questions myself but what about the people that have no access to the internet.? Do I just forget about the idea. I edit two magazines for other computers and each of them has FAQ update every other month . Maybe there is not the support now for the SAM. john From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 8 14:16:59 1998 From: JAdams1644 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 09:10:09 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Sam coupe FAQ Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 169 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 17 Lines: 2 What is NVG john From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 8 14:31:11 1998 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: FAQ or WEb page References: <5e26affc.35530430@aol.com> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware X-{giggle}: Lots! From: The Giggler Date: 08 May 1998 14:23:52 +0100 In-Reply-To: JAdams1644's message of "Fri, 8 May 1998 09:10:07 EDT" Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.66/Emacs 19.34 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 759 Lines: 26 JAdams1644 writes: > I value all your comments .I have asked the same questions myself but what > about the people that have no access to the internet.? Do I just forget about > the idea. I edit two magazines for other computers and each of them has FAQ > update every other month . Maybe there is not the support now for the SAM. > john Aah, I didn't realise that you meant to publish it anywhere except on the web (Too much computing for you, I forgot you can have non-web FAQ's ;)). Maybe send out a message along the lines of ... 'Sam coupe FAQ is at http://foo.bar.org/sam/FAQ.html those without WWW access can obtain a copy by mailing JAdams1644@aol.com ...' or something similar ... Comments? Lee. -- Yawn And Walk North From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 8 14:31:11 1998 Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 15:26:59 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9805081326.AA21872@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam coupe FAQ X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 141 Lines: 8 > What is NVG The host of this mailinglist, one of the major spectrum ftp and www sites and _the_ SAM Coupe ftp site. :) -Frode > john > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 8 14:37:53 1998 From: Matthew Craven Organization: Umist To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 14:32:56 BST Subject: SIM COUPE X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.31 Message-ID: <10CE8372161@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 231 Lines: 9 Can somebody help me with SimCoupe? I've loaded the TSR sound drivers as a .com file and then started the SIMCOUPE emulator (not the latest version), and I still cannot get any sound whatsoever! Can anybody enlighten me? MJC. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat May 9 11:57:45 1998 From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam coupe Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 19:03:36 GMT Message-ID: <355b526f.58569249@mail.enterprise.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 298 Lines: 14 On Wed, 6 May 1998 17:41:15 EDT, JAdams1644 wrote: >I have been a sam user for sometime now but like many it is gathering dust Nice to see you've finally made it to the list John. :) Even if you're an AOL user. :) Bye, _ |_)ave (/\)hitmore http://homepages.enterprise.net/davewhitmore/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat May 9 11:57:52 1998 From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: NVG Uploads Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 19:03:34 GMT Message-ID: <3559507e.58071919@mail.enterprise.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 482 Lines: 22 On Thu, 7 May 1998 23:13:16 +0100, Dean Liversidge wrote: > >I,ve just uploaded some more of Dave Whitmore's Sam Coupe Adventure >Club magazine disks into incoming. Cheers Dean! :-) I should add that they are as much Phil's as mine (probably more-so in the literary sense). Hey Phil, you've been quiet lately. Have you unsubscribed or something equally trecherous? . :-) Bye, _ |_)ave (/\)hitmore http://homepages.enterprise.net/davewhitmore/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat May 9 11:57:52 1998 From: Dean Liversidge To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 23:55:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: FAQ or WEb page In-reply-to: <5e26affc.35530430@aol.com> Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 663 Lines: 16 > I value all your comments .I have asked the same questions myself but what > about the people that have no access to the internet.? Do I just forget about > the idea. I edit two magazines for other computers and each of them has FAQ > update every other month . Maybe there is not the support now for the SAM. > john No, i think a monthly or bi-monthly FAQ, shouldn't be a problem, for starters it'll be a lot smaller than the junk mail bickering we get on here about whether people do or do not exist, and whether people are posting as aliases, of which i don't think they are, but shall not get drawn into any agruments about it. -- Dean Liversidge From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat May 9 11:57:53 1998 Message-Id: <000d01bd7aec$6c8d1de0$2914a8c2@sparky> From: Gavin Smith To: sam-users Subject: Colony Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 02:46:22 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 271 Lines: 8 Quick question - anyone actually buy this game? (Actually, while I'm on the subject, does anyone actually bother to buy any SAM software these days? ;) Tight gits) If you have bought this game, mail me and let me know how you getting on, cos I'm erm crap at it :) Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat May 9 13:32:45 1998 From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: FAQ or WEb page Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 12:11:38 GMT Message-ID: <355447cb.458120@mail.enterprise.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 502 Lines: 16 On Fri, 8 May 1998 23:55:54 +0100, Dean Liversidge wrote: >No, i think a monthly or bi-monthly FAQ, shouldn't be a problem, for >starters it'll be a lot smaller than the junk mail bickering we get >on here about whether people do or do not exist, and whether people >are posting as aliases, of which i don't think they are, but shall >not get drawn into any agruments about it. I agree. Post it here once a month. Bye, _ |_)ave (/\)hitmore http://homepages.enterprise.net/davewhitmore/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat May 9 19:19:16 1998 From: PGLOVER43 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 14:17:16 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Off subject - Spectrum +3 drives Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 168 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 241 Lines: 8 Sorry this isn't SAM related, but does anyone know where a friend of mine can get a Spectrum +3 drive, or maybe where they can be repaired? Please contact me directly if you like, rather than on the SAM USERS GROUP. Thanks, Phil Glover. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat May 9 20:31:27 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 15:28:02 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Sam coupe FAQ Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 760 Lines: 28 In a message dated 08/05/98 11:02:32, you write: > >Actually, it's fairly normal to upload the FAQ to a mailing list or >newsgroup every month or so. Come on, it's not *that* much of a file to >download, is it? To a newsgroup yes, because that can be stumbled across at any time by any one. But to a mailing list ? > >Besides, while the FAQ's still being modified, it will give this list >something useful to discuss.... Valid point, while it is being developed. How about after that killing two birds with one stone. Put it on a web page (I can arrange some room if it is a problem for anyone else). But then Email it to all new subscribers. On the list I suppose there could be a regular call for updates. > >Andrew > > How does that sound? -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat May 9 20:31:27 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 15:28:04 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Comet asm? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 594 Lines: 19 In a message dated 08/05/98 11:02:32, you write: >o > >How much is the comet assembler these days? And where can I get it >from? (questions that can be quickly asked here before I go home from >wark and check the latest Format) >From me if you like, remember I offered to fund free copies for any list member who had not got one and was prepared to join in (in however small a way) with the 'lets look at the ROM/DOS' project. > >I think I've tracked down my non-enthusiasm-of-coding to the fact that >I'm fed up with developing my native SAM XOS on a CP/M assembler... > >Justin. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat May 9 20:31:29 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <28e42b82.3554ae65@aol.com> Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 15:28:35 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: FAQ or WEb page Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 458 Lines: 14 In a message dated 08/05/98 13:11:12, you write: >o > >I value all your comments .I have asked the same questions myself but what >about the people that have no access to the internet.? Do I just forget about >the idea. I edit two magazines for other computers and each of them has FAQ >update every other month . Maybe there is not the support now for the SAM. >john Now hoe do you have access to the FAQ if you do not have Internet access??? -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat May 9 20:46:34 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 20:44:25 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Sam coupe FAQ X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1020 Lines: 26 At 8:28 pm +0100 9/5/98, BrenchleyR wrote: >>Besides, while the FAQ's still being modified, it will give this list >>something useful to discuss.... > >Valid point, while it is being developed. > >How about after that killing two birds with one stone. Put it on a web page (I >can arrange some room if it is a problem for anyone else). But then Email it >to all new subscribers. That's true - it could easily be included in the "Welcome to sam-users" message that majordomo throws at people. How about it, Frode? Andrew --- +-----------------+----------------------------+--------------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | " | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk | Get your kicks | +-----------------+----------------------------+ on 8.124038405 | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | " | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | anon | +----------------------------------------------+--------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun May 10 00:31:05 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980509192439.006d83d8@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 19:24:39 -0400 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Be afraid, be very afraid! (offtopic) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 843 Lines: 22 Hi folks, Well, I've waited a while before revealing the news, because I wanted to tell some other people before letting the cat out of the bag here, but... ... Tuesday night, I got a phone call. I've got the Microsoft job! Wahey! I'll be working with the Visual J++ team on the next version of their compiler and RAD tool. Simon ps. Finally... after seeing all the other SAM lot moving on to places like Psygnosis, DMA design, etc, I've got myself a job I can be proud of :) (well... actually, I guess that depends on what you think of Microsoft) +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "You know... you can tell someone's vain when they quote themselves | | in their own .sig file..." -- Simon Cooke | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun May 10 01:28:58 1998 From: PGLOVER43 Message-ID: <2cf2a86a.3554f440@aol.com> Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 20:26:39 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Be afraid, be very afraid! (offtopic) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 168 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 241 Lines: 10 Congratulations, Simon! I'm sure Microsoft are not part of any 'Evil Empire' and will benefit from your existence. Best wishes and good luck for the future (At least you won't be sponging off us hard-working taxpayers.) - Phil Glover From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun May 10 01:59:35 1998 From: Dean Liversidge To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 01:53:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Sam coupe FAQ In-reply-to: Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 490 Lines: 13 > >Actually, it's fairly normal to upload the FAQ to a mailing list or > >newsgroup every month or so. Come on, it's not *that* much of a file to > >download, is it? > > To a newsgroup yes, because that can be stumbled across at any time by any > one. But to a mailing list ? A mailing list is basically a newsgroup that either couldn't become a newsgroup because of too few users or because people couldnt be bothered to start a newsgroup (amonst other reasons). -- Dean Liversidge From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun May 10 01:59:40 1998 From: Dean Liversidge To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 01:53:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: FAQ or WEb page In-reply-to: <28e42b82.3554ae65@aol.com> Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 757 Lines: 20 > > > >I value all your comments .I have asked the same questions myself but what > >about the people that have no access to the internet.? Do I just forget about > >the idea. I edit two magazines for other computers and each of them has FAQ > >update every other month . Maybe there is not the support now for the SAM. > >john > > Now hoe do you have access to the FAQ if you do not have Internet access??? Well, a lot of people get e-mail access through company E-mail systems, who dont all have Web access. E-mail can often be accessed by using a BBS as a gateway, again, no Web. Are there still Univeristy's with only E-mail ??? E-mail does not also mean WWW, they are totaly seperate systems that can both be used together. -- Dean Liversidge From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun May 10 01:59:41 1998 From: Dean Liversidge To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 01:53:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Be afraid, be very afraid! (offtopic) In-reply-to: <3.0.1.32.19980509192439.006d83d8@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 610 Lines: 21 > .. Tuesday night, I got a phone call. I've got the Microsoft job! > > Wahey! Well done matey, you deserve it! No matter what people think of microsoft, they are market leaders, and I must say i like there products, they probably put more user-freindlyness into their products than any other software developer. Does this mean your staying in America then for the foreseeable future or are they going to post you over here??? Our company has just been bought out buy the American company Insight, I wouldnt mind a bit of work placement workking on the network in the U.S. :-) -- Dean Liversidge From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun May 10 09:15:32 1998 From: nevilley@spamblock.nfy53.demon.co.uk (Nev Young) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Be afraid, be very afraid! (offtopic) Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 08:12:46 GMT Organization: nfy53 Message-ID: <35575059.1453017@post.demon.co.uk> References: <3.0.1.32.19980509192439.006d83d8@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980509192439.006d83d8@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 502 Lines: 19 On Sat, 09 May 1998 19:24:39 -0400, Simon Cooke wrote: > Hi folks, > > Well, I've waited a while before revealing the news, because I wanted to > tell some other people before letting the cat out of the bag here, but... > > ... Tuesday night, I got a phone call. I've got the Microsoft job! > Many congrats Simon. ;-) error -97i: Temporal paradox please reset universe clock and re-boot. -- Nev - no longer at nevilley@ndirect.co.uk and getting no spam at all (yet) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun May 10 15:18:00 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ILGW @ C&L NL @ C&L INT @ C&L INT EXTERNAL@INTERLIANT @ OUTBOUND From: Stefan Drissen To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Message-ID: <86256600.004E70F5.00@Internet-504.interliant.com> Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 14:33:45 +0200 Subject: Re: Colony Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1307 Lines: 37 Gavin wrote: >Quick question - anyone actually buy this game? (Actually, while I'm on the >subject, >does anyone actually bother to buy any SAM software these days? ;) Tight >gits) >If you have bought this game, mail me and let me know how you getting on, >cos I'm erm crap at it :) > >Gavin Has it actually been released then? What's it like? How about a review or something similar? Stefan -- **************************************** This document should only be read by those persons to whom it is addressed and is not intended to be relied upon by any person without subsequent written confirmation of its contents. Accordingly, Coopers & Lybrand disclaim all responsibility and accept no liability (including in negligence) for the consequences for any person acting, or refraining from acting, on such information prior to the receipt by those persons of subsequent written confirmation. If you have received this E-mail message in error, please notify us immediately by telephone. Please also destroy and delete the message from your computer. Any form of reproduction, dissemination, copying, disclosure, modification, distribution and/or publication of this E-mail message is strictly prohibited. **************************************** From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun May 10 16:08:52 1998 From: JAdams1644 Message-ID: <5c9a350b.3555c26a@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 11:06:17 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Sam coupe- FAQ Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 169 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 223 Lines: 4 i have started work on the revamped FAQ . If you want ant questions include please send them to me soon . I need to know what disk and paper magazine are still around and new software available and the authors of them john From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun May 10 19:07:19 1998 Message-Id: <9805101805.AA17095@mars.cableol.net> From: gavin.smith@cableol.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 19:04:20 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Colony In-Reply-To: <86256600.004E70F5.00@Internet-504.interliant.com> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.00 beta 6) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 824 Lines: 18 From: "Stefan Drissen" > Has it actually been released then? What's it like? How about a review or > something similar? > > Stefan Yeah, it was apparently released last year, and I ordered it at that time, but only got it a few months ago after a lot of complaining. It looks great, very nicely done, despite the fact the graphics were done in Flash. Playability wise...erm I'm not sure. The manual is crap you see, and every time I start the game I die after about 20 seconds with no feedback on why. (Actually Darren could have fixed it to kill me after 20 seconds, because he was a tad annoyed with me at the time on the list remember? ;) ) Manual needs a beginner's guide. Could be good. (I'll be reviewing it for the next issue of Blitz, or the one after). Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun May 10 19:09:15 1998 Message-Id: <9805101804.AA31238@mars.cableol.net> From: gavin.smith@cableol.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 19:04:20 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Sam coupe- FAQ In-Reply-To: <5c9a350b.3555c26a@aol.com> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.00 beta 6) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 987 Lines: 32 From: JAdams1644 > i have started work on the revamped FAQ . If you want ant questions include > please send them to me soon . I need to know what disk and paper magazine are > still around and new software available and the authors of them > john John, nice idea with the FAQ, about time someone did one - I'm just a tad concerned that you will know what to put in it, not having been around in the SAM scene for a few years (I think you said that, correct me if I'm wrong). On the other hand, if the rest of us tried to it on this list, it would probably end up with a big fight ;) So good luck John, we'll all help you. Off the top of my head, disk mags still going are: Alchnews (should this be included guys, as it's really a Speccy zine) Blitz Fred SAM Supplement Soundbyte Paper zines (again off the top of my head): Crashed Format Zodiac (if it ever comes out) As for new software, how old is new? (If you see what I mean). HTH Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 11 01:42:42 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980510203451.006daf94@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 20:34:51 -0400 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Windows Close Button Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 481 Lines: 14 Oh yeah... forgot to mention... One of the people who interviewed me wrote the code behind the Close button for windows 95 and NT4. I didn't give him Bob's email address though... ;) Simon +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "You know... you can tell someone's vain when they quote themselves | | in their own .sig file..." -- Simon Cooke | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 11 06:57:22 1998 Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 07:55:19 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9805110555.AA25483@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Be afraid, be very afraid! (offtopic) X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 722 Lines: 27 Hi folks, > > Well, I've waited a while before revealing the news, because I wanted to > tell some other people before letting the cat out of the bag here, but... > > ... Tuesday night, I got a phone call. I've got the Microsoft job! Congrats. > > Wahey! > > I'll be working with the Visual J++ team on the next version of their > compiler and RAD tool. Do you have any influence in it's Java compability? > > Simon > > ps. Finally... after seeing all the other SAM lot moving on to places like > Psygnosis, DMA design, etc, I've got myself a job I can be proud of :) > (well... actually, I guess that depends on what you think of Microsoft) Indeed. :) Good luck. I hope you can make a difference. :) -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 11 07:12:45 1998 Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 08:11:11 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9805110611.AA25518@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam coupe FAQ X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 170 Lines: 7 > > That's true - it could easily be included in the "Welcome to sam-users" > message that majordomo throws at people. How about it, Frode? Sure, can be done. -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 11 09:25:05 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 04:22:24 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Windows Close Button Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 347 Lines: 18 In a message dated 11/05/98 00:40:45, you write: >Oh yeah... forgot to mention... > >One of the people who interviewed me wrote the code behind the Close button >for windows 95 and NT4. > >I didn't give him Bob's email address though... > >;) > >Simon Well let me have his then, or better still a surface address for a parcel bomb :) -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 11 09:50:03 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <80256601.00305ADC.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 09:50:54 +0100 Subject: Re: Comet asm? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 434 Lines: 12 >From me if you like, remember I offered to fund free copies for any list >member who had not got one and was prepared to join in (in however small a >way) with the 'lets look at the ROM/DOS' project. Now you remind me... Anyway, I sent off my cheque to Revelation yesterday (Sunday). As for the 'lets look at the ROM/DOS' project, I don't even have time to look at all of my own projects, never mind everyone else's.. :( Justin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 11 09:57:45 1998 Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 10:04:48 +0100 (BST) From: Allan Skillman To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Be afraid, be very afraid! (offtopic) In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980509192439.006d83d8@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 630 Lines: 13 Nice one Simon. Its a pity you won't be involved in WinCE, we might have had a chance to meet up professionally. Don't forget the guys (and Gals) back home! Allan +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Allan Skillman | "There are five flavours of resons, the | | EDA Group | elementary particles of magic : up, down, | | ARM | sideways, sex-appeal and peppermint." | | allan.skillman@arm.com | - Terry Pratchett (Lords and Ladies) | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 11 13:32:11 1998 From: Matthew Craven Organization: Umist To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 13:26:17 BST Subject: SIM COUPE X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.31 Message-ID: <153D5DF2674@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 231 Lines: 9 Can somebody help me with SimCoupe? I've loaded the TSR sound drivers as a .com file and then started the SIMCOUPE emulator (not the latest version), and I still cannot get any sound whatsoever! Can anybody enlighten me? MJC. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 11 20:08:31 1998 Message-Id: <199805111902.UAA05656@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Paul Walker Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 20:02:04 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: SIM COUPE In-reply-to: <153D5DF2674@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 463 Lines: 13 > I've loaded the TSR sound drivers as a .com file and then started the > SIMCOUPE emulator (not the latest version), and I still cannot get > any sound whatsoever! Neither did I ... with the latest one, you get something from some programs, running under dos (eg tetris). Paul -- ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ---- FidoNet: 2:254/60.11 2:442/103.13 ---> http://www.trak-one.co.uk/foti <--- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 11 20:43:56 1998 Message-Id: <199805111941.UAA19970@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 20:40:53 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: simcoupe v0.78 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 383 Lines: 15 ok. i did it all correctly. got the right zip, unzipped it with winzip, etc etc. all the files are there. everything works. i've got the latest djgpp, gcc, libs and make and everything. but, try and build the source, and it hangs compiling procssor.c something to do with my K6? it's all i can think of. (unless no-one else is able to make simcoupe from source either) dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 11 23:10:51 1998 Message-ID: <0MynhDAPM3V1Iwrx@idalziel.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 22:52:15 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Ian Dalziel Subject: Re: Sam coupe FAQ In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.04 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 303 Lines: 11 In article , BrenchleyR writes >Put it on a web page (I >can arrange some room if it is a problem for anyone else). But then Email it >to all new subscribers. Aw c'mon, Bob, play fair - I've got to agree with you again. This won't do... -- Ian Dalziel From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 12 09:20:04 1998 From: Matthew Craven Organization: Umist To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 09:15:45 BST Subject: Re: SIM COUPE X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.31 Message-ID: <1679F091BD0@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 610 Lines: 15 > From: "Paul Walker" > Organization: very little > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Date sent: Mon, 11 May 1998 20:02:04 +0000 > Subject: Re: SIM COUPE > Send reply to: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > > I've loaded the TSR sound drivers as a .com file and then started the > > SIMCOUPE emulator (not the latest version), and I still cannot get > > any sound whatsoever! > > Neither did I ... with the latest one, you get something from some > programs, running under dos (eg tetris). I don't run the latest version, because it is too slow for my machine. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 12 10:57:15 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <3e036c68.355819e2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 05:44:01 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Sam coupe FAQ Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 441 Lines: 19 In a message dated 11/05/98 22:05:39, you write: > >In article , BrenchleyR >writes >>Put it on a web page (I >>can arrange some room if it is a problem for anyone else). But then Email it >>to all new subscribers. > >Aw c'mon, Bob, play fair - I've got to agree with you again. This won't >do... > >-- >Ian Dalziel Sorry Ian, treatment may be available on the NHS if you try :) -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 12 18:22:31 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 13:14:25 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Sam coupe FAQ Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows sub 178 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 481 Lines: 19 In a message dated 11/05/98 22:05:39, you write: > > In article , BrenchleyR > writes > >Put it on a web page (I > >can arrange some room if it is a problem for anyone else). But then Email > it > >to all new subscribers. > > Aw c'mon, Bob, play fair - I've got to agree with you again. This won't > do... > > -- > Ian Dalziel > Take care Ian, somebody will be saying you are another of Bob's clones soon. Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 12 18:43:45 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980512133135.006de858@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 13:31:35 -0400 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Sam coupe FAQ In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 610 Lines: 20 At 01:14 PM 5/12/98 EDT, you wrote: >> Aw c'mon, Bob, play fair - I've got to agree with you again. This won't >> do... >> >> -- >> Ian Dalziel >> >Take care Ian, somebody will be saying you are another of Bob's clones soon. > >Bill. Cripes! That Ian Dalziel! That's another of Bob's clones soon! Erm... Simon +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "You know... you can tell someone's vain when they quote themselves | | in their own .sig file..." -- Simon Cooke | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 12 18:43:58 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ATLANTECH From: Scott Russell To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <80256602.0060271A.00@mail.atlan-tech.com> Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 18:37:16 +0100 Subject: The SAM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1078 Lines: 31 Ok, I'm new to this list. First, who's all on this list? Are there any original MGT or SAMCo guys? Is there still a SAM scene going? I bought a SAM when it first came out, on the day it was delivered to my local computer shop, and I loved it. But, we all know what happened and it has ended up gathering dust in its box in a cupboard. Until today. I've decided to get it back out, and hook it up to my telly and mess around with it again. Problem is, I don't really know what to do. I'm now a professional software engineer with a BEng(Hons) in Electronic Engineering, so, I'm up for a challenge, but, I'd like to know where I can get stuff from and what is recommended to own. Remember, the box has remained shut for about 5 years now. All I can remember is that there were lots of emulation problems and I loved Prince of Persia. Other than that, I'm out of touch on the "SAM" scene. I'd like to try messing around with some development. I've heard of an Adventure creator or something being in existance. So, can anybody out there help? Cheers Scott Russell From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 12 18:58:20 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 13:49:34 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The SAM Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows sub 178 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1541 Lines: 50 In a message dated 12/05/98 17:45:04, you write: > > Ok, I'm new to this list. > > First, who's all on this list? Are there any original MGT or SAMCo guys? Long gone :( > Is there still a SAM scene going? Yes, you bet there is. > > I bought a SAM when it first came out, on the day it was delivered to my > local computer shop, and I loved it. But, we all know what happened and it > has ended up gathering dust in its box in a cupboard. Sad :( > > Until today. Good :) > > I've decided to get it back out, and hook it up to my telly and mess around > with it again. Problem is, I don't really know what to do. I'm now a > professional software engineer with a BEng(Hons) in Electronic Engineering, > so, I'm up for a challenge, but, I'd like to know where I can get stuff > from and what is recommended to own. Remember, the box has remained shut > for about 5 years now. Email your address to Bob Brenchly at FormatPub@aol.com and ask him to send you details of the Indug user group and the monthly magazine Format. They also handle all the repairs and everything now. > > All I can remember is that there were lots of emulation problems and I > loved Prince of Persia. Other than that, I'm out of touch on the "SAM" > scene. > > I'd like to try messing around with some development. I've heard of an > Adventure creator or something being in existance. Heard of it but have not got it, supposed to be good. > > So, can anybody out there help? > > Cheers > > Scott Russell > Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 12 19:08:26 1998 Message-Id: <199805121805.TAA24345@hermes.clara.net> From: persona@mail.clara.net To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 18:01:56 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: The SAM In-reply-to: <80256602.0060271A.00@mail.atlan-tech.com> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id TAA20565 Status: RO Content-Length: 2879 Lines: 81 > Ok, I'm new to this list. Hi Scott! Another newcomer to the list! It's getting busy again! > First, who's all on this list? Are there any original MGT or SAMCo guys? Not on the list, but some of the clever SAM people... and me :) are here. Bob Brenchley - the esteened publisher, editor - and ... whatever :) is on, and loads of people you may recognise if you ever got FRED in the past. There's a few people which apparently are made-up aliases, but so what..? :) > Is there still a SAM scene going? Contary to some damp squibs on here ... there is. Some great hardware is about... (Cue a plug from Colin Piggot - inventor of the incredible Quazar Surround Soundcard... 8/16 bit Surround sound , up to 6 channels... and loads of compatible software!) Malcolm Mackenzine - the chap behind Persona Marketing & Development (who I produce BLITZ diskzine for) is releasing a brand new internal hard-drive for the SAM very soon... he's also got quite a few new titles - but to get more info it's always best to ring him directly on 0161 797 0651. Warning! Use a stopwatch! He's almost as good at long conversations as Bob is! Oh, I understand Bob's got a new SRAM board... if he reads this - perhaps he can tell you about it? > I bought a SAM when it first came out, on the day it was delivered to my > local computer shop, and I loved it. But, we all know what happened and it > has ended up gathering dust in its box in a cupboard. Well I got mine in 1990, and it (or it's replacement) has been putting up with me ever since... > Until today. Well glad to see you! > I've decided to get it back out, and hook it up to my telly and mess around > with it again. Problem is, I don't really know what to do. I'm now a > professional software engineer with a BEng(Hons) in Electronic Engineering, > so, I'm up for a challenge, but, I'd like to know where I can get stuff > from and what is recommended to own. Remember, the box has remained shut > for about 5 years now. Hmmm.... Stratosphere (from the affore mentioned clever Colin Piggot!) is a very smart 3D Shoot-em-up! I've got a demo with screens and info on Blitz 7 (only £1.50 from Persona! See www.persona.clara.net for ordering details and other software! Plug, plug!) ... but I also know Malcolm's got some new releases as well.. > All I can remember is that there were lots of emulation problems and I > loved Prince of Persia. Other than that, I'm out of touch on the "SAM" > scene. Good game Prince :) I believe there's a version now for the Hard Drive as well :) > I'd like to try messing around with some development. I've heard of an > Adventure creator or something being in existance. Yes! Available ONLY from Persona. See the above phone number. > So, can anybody out there help? Hope that helps! > Cheers > > Scott Russell Best wishes, David Ledbury> From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 12 20:11:20 1998 From: Maria Rookyard To: SAM Users Mailing List Subject: New people on the list Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 19:07:17 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 218 Lines: 9 I know I'm starting to get a little paranoid - and I know you'll all hate me for this... but every time I see a name I don't recognise; I start to wonder just who's alias it is *this* time :( Yours edgily, Maria. x From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 12 21:06:10 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980512155427.006e1528@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 15:54:27 -0400 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: The SAM In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1385 Lines: 36 At 01:49 PM 5/12/98 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 12/05/98 17:45:04, you write: > >> >> Ok, I'm new to this list. >> >> First, who's all on this list? Are there any original MGT or SAMCo guys? > >Long gone :( Hey! Colin MacD worked at SAMCo. Chris White worked at SAMCo. Heck, even I worked at SAMCo. >> I've decided to get it back out, and hook it up to my telly and mess around >> with it again. Problem is, I don't really know what to do. I'm now a >> professional software engineer with a BEng(Hons) in Electronic Engineering, >> so, I'm up for a challenge, but, I'd like to know where I can get stuff >> from and what is recommended to own. Remember, the box has remained shut >> for about 5 years now. > >Email your address to Bob Brenchly at FormatPub@aol.com and ask him to send >you details of the Indug user group and the monthly magazine Format. They also >handle all the repairs and everything now. And don't forget Persona... I'm sure that someone can give you their address. They handle the "everything else" that Format's "everything" doesn't cover. Simon +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "You know... you can tell someone's vain when they quote themselves | | in their own .sig file..." -- Simon Cooke | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 12 21:15:48 1998 Message-Id: <199805122009.VAA23898@hermes.clara.net> From: persona@mail.clara.net To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 20:06:00 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: The SAM In-reply-to: <3.0.1.32.19980512155427.006e1528@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> References: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 900 Lines: 33 > At 01:49 PM 5/12/98 EDT, you wrote: > >In a message dated 12/05/98 17:45:04, you write: > > > >> > >> Ok, I'm new to this list. > >> > >> First, who's all on this list? Are there any original MGT or SAMCo guys? > > > >Long gone :( > > Hey! Colin MacD worked at SAMCo. Chris White worked at SAMCo. Heck, even I > worked at SAMCo. Hey .... guess what? So did I :) > And don't forget Persona... I'm sure that someone can give you their > address. They handle the "everything else" that Format's "everything" > doesn't cover. :) True... Give Malcolm a buzz on 0161 797 0651 if you've any probs... As I said earlier, he's got a few goodies on the way very shortly :) > Simon David /-----------------------------------------------/ \ If you're really desperate... take a look at \ / My web site at www.persona.clara.net/wibble/ / \________________________________________________\ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 12 21:55:07 1998 Message-ID: <19980512205026.29435.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [138.251.146.46] From: Colin Piggot To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: The SAM Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 13:50:25 PDT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1384 Lines: 42 >Some great hardware is about... (Cue a plug from Colin Piggot >inventor of the incredible Quazar Surround Soundcard... 8/16 bit >Surround sound , up to 6 channels... and loads of compatible >software!) >Hmmm.... Stratosphere (from the affore mentioned clever Colin >Piggot!) is a very smart 3D Shoot-em-up! Hi to the new people on the mailing list! Just thought its worth mentioning that if you'd like a 14 page booklet covering all my Hardware and Software for Sam (such as the Quazar Surround soundcard and Stratosphere (which have just been plugged by someone else)) email me directly with your postal address. Colin Piggot. __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ /_ / / /_/ / / //_ /_//_//_ / /_ : Fast Mode 4 __/ / / / / / /_/__// / //_ / /_ : 3d Vector Action! ---=== Quoted As THE BEST GAME EVER FOR SAM! ===--- +------------------------+-------------------------------+ | COLIN PIGGOT | __ ___ __ | | c_piggot@hotmail.com | /| | | | | / | | |\ | | | / | | | |__| / |__| |_\ | | QUAZAR: Hardware and | /_\| |__| | | /__ | | | \ | | Software for the Sam | | +------------------------+-------------------------------+ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 12 22:03:02 1998 From: Nev Young To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: The SAM Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 20:43:35 GMT Organization: nfy53 Message-ID: <355facd3.2898649@post.demon.co.uk> References: <3.0.1.32.19980512155427.006e1528@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980512155427.006e1528@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 524 Lines: 23 On Tue, 12 May 1998 15:54:27 -0400, Simon Cooke wrote: > At 01:49 PM 5/12/98 EDT, you wrote: > >In a message dated 12/05/98 17:45:04, you write: > > > >> > >> Ok, I'm new to this list. > >> > >> First, who's all on this list? Are there any original MGT or SAMCo guys? > > > >Long gone :( > > Hey! Colin MacD worked at SAMCo. Chris White worked at SAMCo. Heck, even I > worked at SAMCo. Me Too -- Nev - no longer at nevilley@ndirect.co.uk and getting no spam at all (yet) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 12 22:10:12 1998 Message-Id: <199805122104.WAA17957@hermes.clara.net> From: persona@mail.clara.net To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 21:01:06 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: SAM Supplement... X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 317 Lines: 11 Hi all, Just spoken to David Tonks, and basically he's in a very terminally bad way for material for his next issue of the SAM Supplement. Any coders on here who can donate anything to the magazine? New or old material welcome! I think he's in a terminally bad way :( He doesn't have internet access BTW. David From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 12 22:41:09 1998 From: PGLOVER43 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 17:25:34 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The SAM Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 168 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 634 Lines: 16 Hi Scott, Welcome to the SAM USERS group. Regarding David Ledbury's comments about the SAM ADVENTURE SYSTEM (often referred to as SAS), it was written and coded by Colin Jordan, and can produce good-sized adventures in various shapes and sizes, and can also handle graphics. Games written using SAS include FLIGHT OF FANTASY, THE OCCULT CONNECTION, WONDERLAND, MURDER MOST FOUL, THE GOLDEN SWORD OF BHAKHOR and TRUE FAITH. These games are sold by PERSONA or F9 SOFTWARE (Derek Morgan) usually (except FLIGHT OF FANTASY), and it may be an idea to try one or two of them to see what can be done with SAS. Best Wishes, Phil Glover. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 12 22:56:07 1998 Message-Id: <199805122149.WAA08457@hermes.clara.net> From: persona@mail.clara.net To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 21:45:55 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: The SAM In-reply-to: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 906 Lines: 29 > Hi Scott, > > Welcome to the SAM USERS group. > > Regarding David Ledbury's comments about the SAM ADVENTURE SYSTEM (often > referred to as SAS), it was written and coded by Colin Jordan, and can produce > good-sized adventures in various shapes and sizes, and can also handle > graphics. And especially Phil's great graphics :) > Games written using SAS include FLIGHT OF FANTASY, THE OCCULT CONNECTION, > WONDERLAND, MURDER MOST FOUL, THE GOLDEN SWORD OF BHAKHOR and TRUE FAITH. Errr... I don't think Malcolm's got all of them - but he certainly has The Occult Connection and Golden Sword. GS also features some great graphics from Phil :) > These games are sold by PERSONA or F9 SOFTWARE (Derek Morgan) usually (except > FLIGHT OF FANTASY), and it may be an idea to try one or two of them to see > what can be done with SAS. Especially TOC and GS :) > Best Wishes, Phil Glover. David From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 12 23:27:28 1998 Message-Id: <199805122221.XAA21907@hermes.clara.net> From: persona@mail.clara.net To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 22:17:52 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: (Fwd) Re: The SAM X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 980 Lines: 38 Damn! Having probs with my mail server :( Had to resend in case this didnt actually turn up ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- From: Self To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: The SAM Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 20:05:37 > At 01:49 PM 5/12/98 EDT, you wrote: > >In a message dated 12/05/98 17:45:04, you write: > > > >> > >> Ok, I'm new to this list. > >> > >> First, who's all on this list? Are there any original MGT or SAMCo guys? > > > >Long gone :( > > Hey! Colin MacD worked at SAMCo. Chris White worked at SAMCo. Heck, even I > worked at SAMCo. Hey .... guess what? So did I :) > And don't forget Persona... I'm sure that someone can give you their > address. They handle the "everything else" that Format's "everything" > doesn't cover. :) True... Give Malcolm a buzz on 0161 797 0651 if you've any probs... As I said earlier, he's got a few goodies on the way very shortly :) > Simon David From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 12 23:27:28 1998 Message-Id: <199805122221.XAA21884@hermes.clara.net> From: persona@mail.clara.net To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 22:17:52 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: (Fwd) SAM Supplement... X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 605 Lines: 20 Damn! Having probs with my mail server :( Had to resend in case this didnt actually turn up ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- From: Self To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: SAM Supplement... Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 21:00:55 Hi all, Just spoken to David Tonks, and basically he's in a very terminally bad way for material for his next issue of the SAM Supplement. Any coders on here who can donate anything to the magazine? New or old material welcome! I think he's in a terminally bad way :( He doesn't have internet access BTW. David From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 12 23:27:29 1998 Message-Id: <199805122221.XAA21946@hermes.clara.net> From: persona@mail.clara.net To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 22:17:51 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: (Fwd) Re: The SAM X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id XAA26447 Status: RO Content-Length: 3161 Lines: 90 Damn! Having probs with my mail server :( Had to resend in case this didnt actually turn up ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- From: Self To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: The SAM Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 18:00:22 > Ok, I'm new to this list. Hi Scott! Another newcomer to the list! It's getting busy again! > First, who's all on this list? Are there any original MGT or SAMCo guys? Not on the list, but some of the clever SAM people... and me :) are here. Bob Brenchley - the esteened publisher, editor - and ... whatever :) is on, and loads of people you may recognise if you ever got FRED in the past. There's a few people which apparently are made-up aliases, but so what..? :) > Is there still a SAM scene going? Contary to some damp squibs on here ... there is. Some great hardware is about... (Cue a plug from Colin Piggot - inventor of the incredible Quazar Surround Soundcard... 8/16 bit Surround sound , up to 6 channels... and loads of compatible software!) Malcolm Mackenzine - the chap behind Persona Marketing & Development (who I produce BLITZ diskzine for) is releasing a brand new internal hard-drive for the SAM very soon... he's also got quite a few new titles - but to get more info it's always best to ring him directly on 0161 797 0651. Warning! Use a stopwatch! He's almost as good at long conversations as Bob is! Oh, I understand Bob's got a new SRAM board... if he reads this - perhaps he can tell you about it? > I bought a SAM when it first came out, on the day it was delivered to my > local computer shop, and I loved it. But, we all know what happened and it > has ended up gathering dust in its box in a cupboard. Well I got mine in 1990, and it (or it's replacement) has been putting up with me ever since... > Until today. Well glad to see you! > I've decided to get it back out, and hook it up to my telly and mess around > with it again. Problem is, I don't really know what to do. I'm now a > professional software engineer with a BEng(Hons) in Electronic Engineering, > so, I'm up for a challenge, but, I'd like to know where I can get stuff > from and what is recommended to own. Remember, the box has remained shut > for about 5 years now. Hmmm.... Stratosphere (from the affore mentioned clever Colin Piggot!) is a very smart 3D Shoot-em-up! I've got a demo with screens and info on Blitz 7 (only £1.50 from Persona! See www.persona.clara.net for ordering details and other software! Plug, plug!) ... but I also know Malcolm's got some new releases as well.. > All I can remember is that there were lots of emulation problems and I > loved Prince of Persia. Other than that, I'm out of touch on the "SAM" > scene. Good game Prince :) I believe there's a version now for the Hard Drive as well :) > I'd like to try messing around with some development. I've heard of an > Adventure creator or something being in existance. Yes! Available ONLY from Persona. See the above phone number. > So, can anybody out there help? Hope that helps! > Cheers > > Scott Russell Best wishes, David Ledbury>