From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 13 00:53:37 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980512193957.006de818@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 19:39:57 -0400 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: SAM Supplement... In-Reply-To: <199805122104.WAA17957@hermes.clara.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 677 Lines: 18 At 09:01 PM 5/10/98 +0000, you wrote: >Hi all, > >Just spoken to David Tonks, and basically he's in a very terminally >bad way for material for his next issue of the SAM Supplement. > >Any coders on here who can donate anything to the magazine? New or >old material welcome! I think he's in a terminally bad way :( How about Comet 2 ASCII and QDOS? Can you pass them on to him? Simon +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "You know... you can tell someone's vain when they quote themselves | | in their own .sig file..." -- Simon Cooke | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 13 01:20:19 1998 Message-Id: <199805130014.BAA00478@hermes.clara.net> From: persona@mail.clara.net To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 00:11:20 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: SAM Supplement... In-reply-to: <3.0.1.32.19980512193957.006de818@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> References: <199805122104.WAA17957@hermes.clara.net> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 736 Lines: 28 > Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 19:39:57 -0400 > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > From: Simon Cooke > Subject: Re: SAM Supplement... > Reply-to: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > At 09:01 PM 5/10/98 +0000, you wrote: > >Hi all, > > > >Just spoken to David Tonks, and basically he's in a very terminally > >bad way for material for his next issue of the SAM Supplement. > > > >Any coders on here who can donate anything to the magazine? New or > >old material welcome! I think he's in a terminally bad way :( > > How about Comet 2 ASCII and QDOS? > > Can you pass them on to him? > > Simon Welll that's a good start.... Now, how about some of you others? Dan? Lee? anyone else? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 13 05:50:58 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980513004331.006dc8d8@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 00:43:31 -0400 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Be afraid, be very afraid! (offtopic) In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.19980509192439.006d83d8@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 703 Lines: 18 At 10:04 AM 5/11/98 +0100, you wrote: >Nice one Simon. Its a pity you won't be involved in WinCE, we might have >had a chance to meet up professionally. Cheers Allan... though you never know... you might run into one or two of my friends... and by the look of it, WinCE will have Java too :) >Don't forget the guys (and Gals) back home! 'course not :) I'll still be on the mailing list, for a start :) Simon +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "You know... you can tell someone's vain when they quote themselves | | in their own .sig file..." -- Simon Cooke | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 13 06:04:21 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980513004551.006dc54c@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 00:45:51 -0400 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Be afraid, be very afraid! (offtopic) In-Reply-To: <9805110555.AA25483@asmal.edh-net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 841 Lines: 22 At 07:55 AM 5/11/98 +0200, you wrote: >> >> Wahey! >> >> I'll be working with the Visual J++ team on the next version of their >> compiler and RAD tool. > >Do you have any influence in it's Java compability? Maaaaaaaaybe. I'm going to be one of the designers working on the next version of VJ++ anyway ... Though that appears to be more of the domain of the Java VM group. But, going off Sun's latest lawsuit, you never can tell -- even if, by the terms of the contract between the two parties, Microsoft isn't actually doing anything wrong. Simon +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "You know... you can tell someone's vain when they quote themselves | | in their own .sig file..." -- Simon Cooke | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 13 06:04:21 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980513005208.006e1340@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 00:52:08 -0400 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Be afraid, be very afraid! (offtopic) In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.19980509192439.006d83d8@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1639 Lines: 39 At 01:53 AM 5/10/98 +0100, you wrote: >Well done matey, you deserve it! Cheers! >No matter what people think of microsoft, they are market leaders, >and I must say i like there products, they probably put more >user-freindlyness into their products than any other software >developer. I've been reading this book called "Microsoft Secrets - how the world's most powerful software company creates technology, shapes markets, and manages people"... trying to get a feel for the place so that I'm not completely lost. BTW: It seems that the interview process is kind of an ongoing affair. Yikes. They run a usability lab to test all the stuff -- and find out how people like to do what they want to do. So it's perhaps no wonder -- they just work on feedback, which is how it should be for user interfaces. >Does this mean your staying in America then for the foreseeable >future or are they going to post you over here??? Out in Seattle, which is where all the main development goes on (which looks like quite a nice place -- think of Manchester crossed with the Lake District, almost). For how long though... I'm not sure. Hopefully not *too* long -- I miss home. >Our company has just been bought out buy the American company >Insight, I wouldnt mind a bit of work placement workking on the >network in the U.S. :-) Hehehehe :) Simon +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "You know... you can tell someone's vain when they quote themselves | | in their own .sig file..." -- Simon Cooke | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 13 06:04:21 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980513005247.006e4d90@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 00:52:47 -0400 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Be afraid, be very afraid! (offtopic) In-Reply-To: <35575059.1453017@post.demon.co.uk> References: <3.0.1.32.19980509192439.006d83d8@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> <3.0.1.32.19980509192439.006d83d8@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 545 Lines: 16 At 08:12 AM 5/10/98 GMT, you wrote: >Many congrats Simon. ;-) > >error -97i: Temporal paradox >please reset universe clock and re-boot. Cheers Nev. Sorry for upsetting your universe. See, I told you all I'd get that time machine working one day ;) Simon +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "You know... you can tell someone's vain when they quote themselves | | in their own .sig file..." -- Simon Cooke | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 13 06:04:29 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980513004924.006e5784@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 00:49:24 -0400 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: Be afraid, be very afraid! (offtopic) In-Reply-To: <2cf2a86a.3554f440@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 709 Lines: 21 At 08:26 PM 5/9/98 EDT, you wrote: >Congratulations, Simon! > >I'm sure Microsoft are not part of any 'Evil Empire' and >will benefit from your existence. > >Best wishes and good luck for the future (At least you won't be sponging off >us hard-working taxpayers.) Heheheheheh :) Not that I would be any more anyway -- I'd be sponging off hard-working American taxpayers :) (My tax status changed in March) ;) Simon +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "You know... you can tell someone's vain when they quote themselves | | in their own .sig file..." -- Simon Cooke | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 13 06:04:30 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980513005522.006e93ac@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 00:55:22 -0400 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: New people on the list In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 623 Lines: 15 At 07:07 PM 5/12/98 +0100, you wrote: > >I know I'm starting to get a little paranoid - and I know you'll all hate >me for this... but every time I see a name I don't recognise; I start to >wonder just who's alias it is *this* time :( Ah... well... how about the people you do recognise. All this time... I was really Bob. Simon ;) +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "You know... you can tell someone's vain when they quote themselves | | in their own .sig file..." -- Simon Cooke | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 13 08:27:35 1998 From: Maria Rookyard To: sam-users Subject: Re: Be afraid, be very afraid! (offtopic) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 08:05:20 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 486 Lines: 19 > > >Does this mean your staying in America then for the foreseeable > >future or are they going to post you over here??? > > Out in Seattle, which is where all the main development goes on (which > looks like quite a nice place -- think of Manchester crossed with the Lake > District, almost). For how long though... I'm not sure. Hopefully not *too* > long -- I miss home. > "Manchester crossed with the Lake District" - hmmm, loads of rain... and *massive* puddles! Maria. x From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 13 08:27:35 1998 From: Maria Rookyard To: sam-users Subject: Re: New people on the list Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 08:06:07 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 376 Lines: 18 > > > >I know I'm starting to get a little paranoid - and I know you'll all hate > >me for this... but every time I see a name I don't recognise; I start to > >wonder just who's alias it is *this* time :( > > Ah... well... how about the people you do recognise. > > All this time... I was really Bob. And you *really* thought I didn't know that?? > > Simon ;) Maria. x From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 13 09:15:48 1998 Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 10:10:27 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9805130810.AA03038@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: The SAM X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 374 Lines: 9 > Email your address to Bob Brenchly at FormatPub@aol.com and ask him to send > you details of the Indug user group and the monthly magazine Format. They also > handle all the repairs and everything now. On the subject...could anyone tell me why I should resub to Format? I just got a renewal request - haven't read an issue in one year. Is it better or worse? ;) -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 13 10:36:07 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ATLANTECH From: Scott Russell To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <80256603.0033CA51.00@mail.atlan-tech.com> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 10:28:17 +0100 Subject: Re: The SAM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 397 Lines: 14 Messing around with my SAM last night, I'd forgot how easy it was to do things on! Unfortunately, I couldn't save anything to disk as I've lost all my original boot and systems disks. Is there anywhere I can get these or will I have to buy new ones? Also, the original manual is OK, but lacks a bit in depth, was anything else ever produced? What is the technical manual like? Cheers Scott From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 13 16:36:41 1998 Date: Wed, 13 May 98 14:50:38 GMT Message-ID: <1050_OASIS_@lhutz.demon.co.uk> From: James@lhutz.demon.co.uk (Yrruc R Semaj) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Mailer: OASIS Post Box (Atari) v1.31E Subject: Re: New people on the list X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 296 Lines: 20 >I know I'm starting to get a little paranoid - and I know you'll all hate >me for this... but every time I see a name I don't recognise; I start to >wonder just who's alias it is *this* time :( > >Yours edgily, >Maria. >x Bah.. you're just being paranoid! __ Yrruc R Semaj From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 13 16:36:42 1998 Date: Wed, 13 May 98 15:02:22 GMT Message-ID: <1051_OASIS_@lhutz.demon.co.uk> From: James@lhutz.demon.co.uk (James R Curry) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Mailer: OASIS Post Box (Atari) v1.31E Subject: Re: SAM Supplement... X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1285 Lines: 48 In E-Mail <199805130014.BAA00478@hermes.clara.net> persona@mail.clara.net wrote:- >> Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 19:39:57 -0400 >> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no >> From: Simon Cooke >> Subject: Re: SAM Supplement... >> Reply-to: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > >> At 09:01 PM 5/10/98 +0000, you wrote: >> >Hi all, >> > >> >Just spoken to David Tonks, and basically he's in a very terminally >> >bad way for material for his next issue of the SAM Supplement. >> > >> >Any coders on here who can donate anything to the magazine? New or >> >old material welcome! I think he's in a terminally bad way :( >> >> How about Comet 2 ASCII and QDOS? >> >> Can you pass them on to him? >> >> Simon > >Welll that's a good start.... > >Now, how about some of you others? > >Dan? Lee? anyone else? Hmm.. how about "Blast"? I'm going to be sticking it up on the web soon, anyway, along with all my other stuff. __ James R Curry - James@lhutz.demon.co.uk "You're missing the point! The individual doesn't matter. It was a team effort, and I was the one who came up with the whole team idea...me!" - Homer Simpson, The Simpsons. Please insert meaningless promise about The Official James R Curry web page here... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 13 16:52:18 1998 Message-Id: <199805131547.RAA01094@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: New people on the list Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 17:50:04 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 653 Lines: 29 > Van: Yrruc R Semaj > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Onderwerp: Re: New people on the list > Datum: Wednesday, May 13, 1998 4:50 > > > > > >I know I'm starting to get a little paranoid - and I know you'll all hate > >me for this... but every time I see a name I don't recognise; I start to > >wonder just who's alias it is *this* time :( > > > >Yours edgily, > >Maria. > >x > > Bah.. you're just being paranoid! > pwhew, For moment i was reading "Bob.. you're just being paranoid!" -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Mind you if we call you "Bruce", it might otherwise cause some confusion. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 13 19:16:10 1998 From: PGLOVER43 Message-ID: <6f14493a.3559dfd7@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 14:00:53 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The SAM - No boot disk Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 168 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 194 Lines: 8 Hi Scott, Bung your address on an e-mail and I'm sure others, as well as myself, will send you boot disks. You never know, you may even find one or two programs on them, as well! Phil Glover From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 13 20:13:25 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: <6b02b1d3.3559eebe@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 15:04:28 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: New people on the list Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows sub 178 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 506 Lines: 18 In a message dated 13/05/98 05:02:00, you write: > > At 07:07 PM 5/12/98 +0100, you wrote: > > > >I know I'm starting to get a little paranoid - and I know you'll all hate > >me for this... but every time I see a name I don't recognise; I start to > >wonder just who's alias it is *this* time :( > > Ah... well... how about the people you do recognise. > > All this time... I was really Bob. > > Simon ; Then you are me as well. It is getting a bit difficult this, I'm off to bed. Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 13 20:13:25 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: <4f04f8d3.3559ef2d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 15:06:19 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The SAM Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows sub 178 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 625 Lines: 20 In a message dated 13/05/98 08:11:27, you write: > > Email your address to Bob Brenchly at FormatPub@aol.com and ask him to send > > you details of the Indug user group and the monthly magazine Format. They > also > > handle all the repairs and everything now. > > On the subject...could anyone tell me why I should resub to Format? > I just got a renewal request - haven't read an issue in one year. > Is it better or worse? ;) > > -Frode I would think the question should be "why didn't I resub a year ago?" How can you be serious enough about SAM to bother with this list and NOT be a Format reader? Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 13 21:06:13 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980513155324.006e4850@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: scooke@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 15:53:24 -0400 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Simon Cooke Subject: Re: The SAM In-Reply-To: <4f04f8d3.3559ef2d@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 851 Lines: 19 At 03:06 PM 5/13/98 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 13/05/98 08:11:27, Bill wrote: >I would think the question should be "why didn't I resub a year ago?" > >How can you be serious enough about SAM to bother with this list and NOT be a >Format reader? Ummm... quite easily. When you reach the level of technical knowledge that most people on the list have got to, there isn't actually all that much in Format to hold your interest. No offence Bob, but I don't think that Format is aimed at the people who can write SAM machine code in their sleep... Simon +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "You know... you can tell someone's vain when they quote themselves | | in their own .sig file..." -- Simon Cooke | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 13 22:11:45 1998 From: Dean Liversidge To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 22:01:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Be afraid, be very afraid! (offtopic) In-reply-to: Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 564 Lines: 23 > > Out in Seattle, which is where all the main development goes on (which > > looks like quite a nice place -- think of Manchester crossed with the > Lake > > District, almost). For how long though... I'm not sure. Hopefully not > *too* > > long -- I miss home. > > > > "Manchester crossed with the Lake District" - hmmm, loads of rain... and > *massive* puddles! > > Maria. > x Don't forget the sheep, Bhahh, opps ,erm, i mean, trees and things, that are nice and peacfull, etc., etc.... erm....erm.... [ exit stage left quickly] :-) -- Dean Liversidge From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 13 22:11:45 1998 From: Dean Liversidge To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 22:01:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: The SAM In-reply-to: <4f04f8d3.3559ef2d@aol.com> Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1059 Lines: 31 > In a message dated 13/05/98 08:11:27, you write: > > > > Email your address to Bob Brenchly at FormatPub@aol.com and ask him to > send > > > you details of the Indug user group and the monthly magazine Format. They > > also > > > handle all the repairs and everything now. > > > > On the subject...could anyone tell me why I should resub to Format? > > I just got a renewal request - haven't read an issue in one year. > > Is it better or worse? ;) > > > > -Frode > > I would think the question should be "why didn't I resub a year ago?" > > How can you be serious enough about SAM to bother with this list and NOT be a > Format reader? No, i don't hinkl you read that quite right, to me it sound's like he's had the mag for the last year and coudn't be bothered to open the pages, just like me... except for a nosey at the on news pages to see if there is anything alive, on the odd occasian. Good shelf filling space though, trouble is my shelves are getting too full, Hmmm OCR -> CDR ???? one day i suppose... -- Dean Liversidge From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 14 00:51:33 1998 From: Gavin Smith To: sam-users Subject: RE: The SAM Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 00:44:42 +0100 Message-Id: <000001bd7ec9$19c7e960$1914a8c2@sparky> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 639 Lines: 14 > > In a message dated 13/05/98 08:11:27, Dean Liversidge wrote: > No, i don't hinkl you read that quite right, to me it sound's like > he's had the mag for the last year and coudn't be bothered to open > the pages, just like me... except for a nosey at the on news pages to > see if there is anything alive, on the odd occasian. Erm, perhaps not the best source of news as has been mentioned many times before ;) It's quite funny, Bob wants me to renew my sub as well. Cheers Bob, but I don't think I'll be sending you anymore money for a long time mate ;) (You on the other hand might like to hurry up and send me some money?) Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 14 07:55:36 1998 Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 08:46:53 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9805140646.AA05455@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: The SAM X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 800 Lines: 22 > > On the subject...could anyone tell me why I should resub to Format? > > I just got a renewal request - haven't read an issue in one year. > > Is it better or worse? ;) > > > > -Frode > > I would think the question should be "why didn't I resub a year ago?" However, the question _is_: "why should I resub?" > > How can you be serious enough about SAM to bother with this list and NOT be a > Format reader? I was for many years. It was jolly good reading with some indepth Disciple/Plus D information, the SAM coverage in the early days, and quite a few other things. But now, quite honestly, I'm not very interested in how Carol Brooksbank OCRd the bible into one Microdrive cartridge and mananged to print it out using a 9 pin printer with octuple passes. No offence. :) -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 14 09:12:31 1998 From: Matthew Craven Organization: Umist To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 09:07:07 BST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: The SAM X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <1977AC94072@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 263 Lines: 11 I would think the question should be "why didn't I resub a year ago?" How can you be serious enough about SAM to bother with this list and NOT be a Format reader? Bill. Well, I'm a serious supporter of the SAM, but I've never bought an issue of Format. MJC. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 14 09:41:29 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <36fbd999.355aacbe@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 04:35:09 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The SAM Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1048 Lines: 35 In a message dated 13/05/98 19:11:37, you write: >In a message dated 13/05/98 08:11:27, you write: > >> > Email your address to Bob Brenchly at FormatPub@aol.com and ask him to >send >> > you details of the Indug user group and the monthly magazine Format. >They >> also >> > handle all the repairs and everything now. >> >> On the subject...could anyone tell me why I should resub to Format? >> I just got a renewal request - haven't read an issue in one year. >> Is it better or worse? ;) >> >> -Frode > >I would think the question should be "why didn't I resub a year ago?" > >How can you be serious enough about SAM to bother with this list and NOT be a >Format reader? > >Bill. That is not quite fair Bill. It is possible for someone to be serious about their SAM and still not read FORMAT. If they prefer their material to be disc based then they could be a FRED or SAM SUPPLEMENT reader. But, to be honest, if you don't read FORMAT or FRED/SAM SUPPLEMENT, then you can't really call your self a SAM enthusiast. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 14 09:41:30 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <56c80665.355aad42@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 04:37:21 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The SAM Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 889 Lines: 28 In a message dated 13/05/98 19:58:38, you write: >o > >At 03:06 PM 5/13/98 EDT, you wrote: >>In a message dated 13/05/98 08:11:27, Bill wrote: >>I would think the question should be "why didn't I resub a year ago?" >> >>How can you be serious enough about SAM to bother with this list and NOT be >a >>Format reader? > >Ummm... quite easily. When you reach the level of technical knowledge that >most people on the list have got to, there isn't actually all that much in >Format to hold your interest. > >No offence Bob, but I don't think that Format is aimed at the people who >can write SAM machine code in their sleep... > >Simon That is rubbish Simon, FORMAT is aimed at everyone who wants to get more out of their Spectrum or SAM. It is a magazine written for it readers and largely by its readers and as such covers all levels from the beginner to the very experianced. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 14 09:47:12 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <49ff630b.355aae3e@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 04:41:32 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The SAM Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1122 Lines: 34 In a message dated 14/05/98 06:47:50, you write: >> > On the subject...could anyone tell me why I should resub to Format? >> > I just got a renewal request - haven't read an issue in one year. >> > Is it better or worse? ;) >> > >> > -Frode >> >> I would think the question should be "why didn't I resub a year ago?" > >However, the question _is_: "why should I resub?" Because it is the best magazine that covers the Spectrum and SAM that is available. What better reason do you want? > >> >> How can you be serious enough about SAM to bother with this list and NOT be >a >> Format reader? > >I was for many years. It was jolly good reading with some indepth >Disciple/Plus D information, the SAM coverage in the early days, and >quite a few other things. But now, quite honestly, I'm not very interested >in how Carol Brooksbank OCRd the bible into one Microdrive cartridge and >mananged to print it out using a 9 pin printer with octuple passes. >No offence. :) Ah, so you have nothing left to learn from what other people do with thier computer? I find that impossible to believe. > > -Frode -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 14 09:47:12 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <61273943.355aae72@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 04:42:24 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The SAM Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 387 Lines: 21 In a message dated 14/05/98 08:08:19, you write: > >I would think the question should be "why didn't I resub a year ago?" > >How can you be serious enough about SAM to bother with this list and NOT be a >Format reader? > >Bill. > >Well, I'm a serious supporter of the SAM, but I've never bought an >issue of Format. > >MJC. > > Then you are clearly NOT a serious SAM user. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 14 10:28:09 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ATLANTECH From: Scott Russell To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <80256604.002FDD36.00@mail.atlan-tech.com> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 09:44:16 +0000 Subject: SAM Basic Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 253 Lines: 10 I had a read at the Technical manual on the FTP site, but the section on MasterBASIC was empty. So, I've got two questions... 1. What's the difference between my SAM's BASIC and MasterBASIC? 2. Where can I find this documentation? Cheers Scott From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 14 11:29:41 1998 Message-Id: From: Dan Doore Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 11:24:36 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Hello, Hello. MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /310000000/310102093/310102123/310460310/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 101" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 196 Lines: 9 It's good to be back. Is there anything good in the archives? (Ian - What's the URL for these?) Dan. Work: dan@armature.com Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 14 12:13:07 1998 Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 13:03:56 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9805141103.AA06259@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: The SAM X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1264 Lines: 31 > >However, the question _is_: "why should I resub?" > > Because it is the best magazine that covers the Spectrum and SAM that is > available. What better reason do you want? I agree, it _used to be_ good. But the last two years I read it (ie. 95 and 96) was not really up to the previous years, esp. the 90 and 91 volumes (I think) ... > > > >> > >> How can you be serious enough about SAM to bother with this list and NOT be > >a > >> Format reader? > > > >I was for many years. It was jolly good reading with some indepth > >Disciple/Plus D information, the SAM coverage in the early days, and > >quite a few other things. But now, quite honestly, I'm not very interested > >in how Carol Brooksbank OCRd the bible into one Microdrive cartridge and > >mananged to print it out using a 9 pin printer with octuple passes. > >No offence. :) > > Ah, so you have nothing left to learn from what other people do with thier > computer? I find that impossible to believe. Not from those who wrote for the majority of issues in 95 and 96. Back in 88, 89 and 90 there were a lot more fiddling-bits which was really interesting. A good word for it is that Format is getting trivial. OK - I might have put my foot in my mouth, but that's the way I feel. -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 14 13:36:02 1998 From: Matthew Craven Organization: Umist To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 13:16:02 BST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: (Fwd) Re: The SAM X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <19BA0A368DF@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 382 Lines: 15 >> >>Well, I'm a serious supporter of the SAM, but I've never bought an >> >>issue of Format. >> >>MJC. >>> Then you are clearly NOT a serious SAM user. >> Bob. >>What a load of crap. Is that some kind of insult? What the hell do >>you know? >>MJC. >That as someone who does not read FORMAT you cannot claim to be a serious >user. >Bob. That is a complete load of rubbish. MJC. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 14 15:10:40 1998 Message-Id: <199805141332.PAA05718@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: (Fwd) Re: The SAM Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 15:34:53 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1095 Lines: 33 ---------- > Van: Matthew Craven > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Onderwerp: (Fwd) Re: The SAM > Datum: Thursday, May 14, 1998 3:16 > > >> >>Well, I'm a serious supporter of the SAM, but I've never bought an > >> >>issue of Format. > >> >>MJC. > >>> Then you are clearly NOT a serious SAM user. > >> Bob. > >>What a load of crap. Is that some kind of insult? What the hell do > >>you know? > >>MJC. > >That as someone who does not read FORMAT you cannot claim to be a serious > >user. > >Bob. If someone is not suporting Bob, then he is according to Bob a not-serious Sam user, see Bob that is one of the reasons why you are in my killfilter. Needless to say that your incarnations are staying there also. It is just plain idiot to think that the Sam-world revolves around you, while it is clearly not the case. It is hardly revolving at all, although that might change with the arrival of the new HD-interface and B-dos. -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Mind you if we call you "Bruce", it might otherwise cause some confusion. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 14 15:10:41 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ATLANTECH From: Scott Russell To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <00256604.004F9D23.00@mail.atlan-tech.com> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 14:31:34 +0000 Subject: Re: The SAM - No boot disk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 156 Lines: 13 Ok, if anyone wants to send anything up which may be useful, then my address is... Scott Russell 2 Stravanan Rd Castlemilk Glasgow G45 9LU Cheers Scott From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 14 15:33:29 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <80256604.00442380.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 15:21:51 +0100 Subject: Re: The SAM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 553 Lines: 14 >Also, the original manual is OK, but lacks a bit in depth, was anything >else ever produced? What is the technical manual like? It's not bad. Still nowhere near enough info as I would like, but, since you say you are an electrical engineer, you get a few circuit diagrams and application details on the sound and floppy chips. And you get the info on what's on the address bus and varios output addresses. Oh.. And you get info on the rom subroutines, hardware ports, etc... Either way, it's a much better use than just the SAM manual... Justin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 14 19:22:49 1998 From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: The SAM Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 18:16:54 GMT Message-ID: <3559d51f.1641948@mail.enterprise.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 863 Lines: 22 On Tue, 12 May 1998 17:25:34 EDT, PGLOVER43 wrote: >Games written using SAS include FLIGHT OF FANTASY, THE OCCULT CONNECTION, >WONDERLAND, MURDER MOST FOUL, THE GOLDEN SWORD OF BHAKHOR and TRUE FAITH. >These games are sold by PERSONA or F9 SOFTWARE (Derek Morgan) usually (except >FLIGHT OF FANTASY), and it may be an idea to try one or two of them to see >what can be done with SAS. David can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that he's put 'The Occult Connection' onto the nvg ftp site. 'Flight of Fantasy' will be available soon with SCAC 13 - when it will appear on my web site this coming weekend - and later moved to nvg with all the other issues. Oh.. and you forgot to tell him about that dreadful game (I can't remember the title) written by Charles Williams. :-) Bye, _ |_)ave (/\)hitmore http://homepages.enterprise.net/davewhitmore/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 14 19:50:25 1998 Message-Id: <199805141841.TAA01457@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Paul Walker Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 19:41:37 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: The SAM In-reply-to: <4f04f8d3.3559ef2d@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 337 Lines: 10 > How can you be serious enough about SAM to bother with this list and NOT be a > Format reader? Easily, since there's honestly not a great deal in it. Paul -- ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ---- FidoNet: 2:254/60.11 2:442/103.13 ---> http://www.craybbs.co.uk/foti <--- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 14 19:50:27 1998 Message-Id: <199805141846.TAA02109@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Paul Walker Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 19:46:49 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: (Fwd) Re: The SAM In-reply-to: <19BA0A368DF@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 351 Lines: 12 > >That as someone who does not read FORMAT you cannot claim to be a serious > >user.. > That is a complete load of rubbish. Welcome to the Wonderful World of Bob. Paul -- ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ---- FidoNet: 2:254/60.11 2:442/103.13 ---> http://www.craybbs.co.uk/foti <--- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 14 20:34:03 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 15:28:43 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The SAM Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows sub 178 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 420 Lines: 16 In a message dated 14/05/98 18:52:01, you write: > > > How can you be serious enough about SAM to bother with this list and NOT > be a > > Format reader? > > Easily, since there's honestly not a great deal in it. > > Paul They have a saying down this way "zummits better than nuffingk" Format may not be perfect (although I think there is lots in it) but if you have a Sam then where else do you go? Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 14 23:32:59 1998 From: Matthew Craven Organization: Umist To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 23:19:15 BST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: (Fwd) Re: The SAM In-reply-to: <199805141846.TAA02109@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> References: <19BA0A368DF@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.52) Message-ID: <1A5AE9025FC@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 247 Lines: 10 > > >That as someone who does not read FORMAT you cannot claim to be a serious > > >user.. > > That is a complete load of rubbish. > Welcome to the Wonderful World of Bob. > > Paul *WHAT* exactly is your definition of a serious user BOB? MJC. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 14 23:53:59 1998 Message-Id: <199805142244.XAA02656@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Paul Walker Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 23:44:18 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: The SAM In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 529 Lines: 15 > They have a saying down this way "zummits better than nuffingk" Format may not > be perfect (although I think there is lots in it) but if you have a Sam then There's not a great deal of use in it, shall we say. It's also getting slimmer all the time. > where else do you go? Any of the other magazines? the mailing list? various websites? Paul -- ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ---- FidoNet: 2:254/60.11 2:442/103.13 ---> http://www.craybbs.co.uk/foti <--- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 15 06:17:53 1998 From: nevilley@spamblock.nfy53.demon.co.uk (Nev Young) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Be afraid, be very afraid! (offtopic) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 05:14:46 GMT Organization: nfy53 Message-ID: <355bcbe5.47426266@post.demon.co.uk> References: <3.0.1.32.19980509192439.006d83d8@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> <3.0.1.32.19980509192439.006d83d8@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> <3.0.1.32.19980513005247.006e4d90@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980513005247.006e4d90@nessie-2.mcc.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 506 Lines: 19 On Wed, 13 May 1998 00:52:47 -0400, Simon Cooke wrote: > At 08:12 AM 5/10/98 GMT, you wrote: > >Many congrats Simon. ;-) > > > >error -97i: Temporal paradox > >please reset universe clock and re-boot. > > Cheers Nev. > > Sorry for upsetting your universe. See, I told you all I'd get that time > machine working one day ;) > But a time machine isn't much use unless it works for every day. ;-) -- Nev - no longer at nevilley@ndirect.co.uk and getting no spam at all (yet) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 15 07:59:22 1998 From: Nev Young To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Web ring Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 06:53:17 GMT Organization: nfy53 Message-ID: <3560e550.53934401@post.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 146 Lines: 7 Dunno if it's my system but the webring appears to be broken Nev -- Nev - no longer at nevilley@ndirect.co.uk and getting no spam at all (yet) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 15 08:17:18 1998 Message-Id: From: Dan Doore Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 8:11:43 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: RE: Web ring MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /310000000/310102093/310102123/310460310/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 101" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 188 Lines: 9 > Dunno if it's my system but the webring appears to be broken I will check it out now. Dan. Work: dan@armature.com Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 15 08:43:35 1998 Message-Id: From: Dan Doore Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 8:39:22 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Cc: persona@clara.net, j.d.teare@uclan.ac.uk Subject: RE: Web ring MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /310000000/310102093/310102123/310460310/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 101" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1418 Lines: 52 > Dunno if it's my system but the webring appears to be broken I've had a look and the ring is broken in two places due to peope pointing to netFUSION instead of webring.org with their HTML code. They are: Persona (ID7) Johnna Teare (ID6) The correct HTML was mailed to you when you submitted your sites - but here is a copy: Change the site ID for your ID:
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Dan. Work: dan@armature.com Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 15 09:55:33 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ATLANTECH From: Scott Russell To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <00256605.0034FC09.00@mail.atlan-tech.com> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 09:42:04 +0000 Subject: DSK Files on the FTP site Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 663 Lines: 18 I downloaded the Occult DSK file from the FTP and used the Dos utility DD to copy it onto disk. Unfortunaltely, my SAM couldn't read this disk and gave me a "Read Error". Remember, I haven't used this stuff for ages do I need to put a boot disk in first or could there be something wrong with what I'm doing. Also, could someone tell me what the current "preferred" SAM set up is just now, I've heard mutterings of DOS and stuff, how do I get these? My machine only has 256K, where can I get hold of and how much does the 512K upgrade cost? Sorry for asking all these "newbie" questions, but, I'd like to be able to do something with my SAM. Cheers Scott From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 15 17:18:19 1998 From: Maria Rookyard To: sam-users Subject: Re: Be afraid, be very afraid! (offtopic) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 16:34:19 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 394 Lines: 10 > > Sorry for upsetting your universe. See, I told you all I'd get > > that time machine working one day ;) > > > But a time machine isn't much use unless it works for every > day. ;-) Besides which, you could only use it to go *forward* in time. Because if you went backwards you'd end up in a time where your time machine hadn't been invented - so you wouldn't be able to get home again. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 15 18:12:34 1998 From: The Mad Goose Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 18:03:48 GMT+0 Subject: Re: The SAM X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <180DF742DE@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 693 Lines: 19 >I was for many years. It was jolly good > reading with some indepth >Disciple/Plus D information, the SAM > coverage in the early days, and >quite a few other things. But now, > quite honestly, I'm not very interested >in how Carol Brooksbank > OCRd the bible into one Microdrive cartridge and >mananged to print > it out using a 9 pin printer with octuple passes. >No offence. :) > > Ah, so you have nothing left to learn from what other people do with > thier computer? I find that impossible to believe. That's not what he said - he said your articles were shit. > > -- > Bob. Peace, Love, Kisses... Johnna Pig Teare JPOL: http://www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna "It's good to be free..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 15 18:12:35 1998 From: The Mad Goose Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 18:06:39 GMT+0 Subject: Re: The SAM X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <181457112D@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 969 Lines: 38 > In a message dated 14/05/98 08:08:19, you write: > > > > >I would think the question should be "why didn't I resub a year > >ago?" > > > >How can you be serious enough about SAM to bother with this list > >and NOT be a Format reader? > > > >Bill. > > > >Well, I'm a serious supporter of the SAM, but I've never bought an > >issue of Format. > > > >MJC. > > > > > > Then you are clearly NOT a serious SAM user. Bob that is pretentious shite and you know it. I class myself as a serious SAM user and I've only eer seen about three issues of Doormat. It obviously isn't as essential as you say it is which is why your circulation has plummeted. The 'SAM World' needs a paper based magazine that covers ALL the goings on, if indeed there is any, and doesn't omit half of the stuff because of petty fueds. But then what would I know.... > > -- > Bob. Peace, Love, Kisses... Johnna Pig Teare JPOL: http://www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna "It's good to be free..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 15 19:30:57 1998 From: PGLOVER43 Message-ID: <9d7ee6de.355c88cd@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 14:26:20 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The SAM Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 168 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 625 Lines: 11 The adventure game written by Charles Williams was called DAYDREAM, I think. Usually I'm all for people buying SAM software, but DAYDREAM is an exception. Borrow it if you can, but don't waste your money on it. The few problems within the game are simple, as are the amateurish graphics (awful FLASH fills with no regard to perspective) and the locations aren't properly written. Little thought seems to have gone into this adventure, and little satisfaction can be achieved by completing it. An absolute turkey of an adventure, and best forgotten. (My usual tact and diplomacy are on hold for the time being!) Phil Glover From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 15 23:12:43 1998 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 22:45:17 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Ian Dalziel Subject: Re: Be afraid, be very afraid! (offtopic) In-Reply-To: <355bcbe5.47426266@post.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.04 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 384 Lines: 14 In article <355bcbe5.47426266@post.demon.co.uk>, Nev Young writes >> >> Sorry for upsetting your universe. See, I told you all I'd get that time >> machine working one day ;) >> >But a time machine isn't much use unless it works for every day. ;-) > No, provided it works for just a few seconds, that's enough for eternity. -- Ian Dalziel From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun May 17 11:25:21 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <891d764f.355eba60@aol.com> Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 06:22:23 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The SAM Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 521 Lines: 18 In a message dated 15/05/98 17:08:25, you write: >> Ah, so you have nothing left to learn from what other people do with >> thier computer? I find that impossible to believe. > >That's not what he said - he said your articles were shit. >> >> -- >> Bob. I'm glad to say that the readership of FORMAT do not agree with you. Now the question is, do you think you can do any better? If so, I will be very pleased to see anything you submit for publication. I'm always please to help new writers get started. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun May 17 11:34:52 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <2e4e134f.355ebc91@aol.com> Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 06:31:44 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The SAM Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1333 Lines: 37 In a message dated 15/05/98 17:10:06, you write: >> >Well, I'm a serious supporter of the SAM, but I've never bought an >> >issue of Format. >> > >> >MJC. >> > >> > >> >> Then you are clearly NOT a serious SAM user. > >Bob that is pretentious shite and you know it. I class myself as a >serious SAM user and I've only eer seen about three issues of >Doormat. It obviously isn't as essential as you say it is which is >why your circulation has plummeted. It is not 'pretentious shit' and YOU know it. As the only proffesional magazine to cover the Spectrum and SAM, and with a current circulation that would dwarf all the other 'fanzines' combined, FORMAT has to be accepted as THE magazine in its field. It may, by comparison to other markets, be a very small field, but you have to accept that FORMAT is the dominant influence now and has been for some time. To attempt to belittle the importance of FORMAT and INDUG in (and to) the SAM world is just petty and stupid. > >The 'SAM World' needs a paper based magazine that covers ALL the >goings on, if indeed there is any, and doesn't omit half of the stuff >because of petty fueds. There is only one organization that is not given free publicity. I'm not getting into arguments on that subject again as they have the solution to that in their hands not mine. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun May 17 13:16:47 1998 From: The Mad Goose Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 13:11:38 GMT+0 Subject: Re: The SAM X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <4327436401@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 718 Lines: 26 > In a message dated 15/05/98 17:08:25, you write: > > >> Ah, so you have nothing left to learn from what other people do > >> with thier computer? I find that impossible to believe. > > > >That's not what he said - he said your articles were shit. > >> > >> -- > >> Bob. > > I'm glad to say that the readership of FORMAT do not agree with you. > > Now the question is, do you think you can do any better? If so, I > will be very pleased to see anything you submit for publication. I'm > always please to help new writers get started. I'm not a new writer - I'm a flamin' journalist... > > -- > Bob. Peace, Love, Kisses... Johnna Pig Teare JPOL: http://www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna "It's good to be free..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun May 17 13:28:56 1998 From: The Mad Goose Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 13:20:15 GMT+0 Subject: Re: The SAM X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <4351781AFE@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1168 Lines: 32 At the risk of fanning the flames... > >> Then you are clearly NOT a serious SAM user. > > > >Bob that is pretentious shite and you know it. I class myself as a > >serious SAM user and I've only eer seen about three issues of > >Doormat. It obviously isn't as essential as you say it is which is > >why your circulation has plummeted. > > It is not 'pretentious shit' and YOU know it. > > As the only proffesional magazine to cover the Spectrum and SAM, and > with a current circulation that would dwarf all the other 'fanzines' > combined, FORMAT has to be accepted as THE magazine in its field. It > may, by comparison to other markets, be a very small field, but you > have to accept that FORMAT is the dominant influence now and has > been for some time. > Not disputing that - you are very mighty indeed in the eyes of the SAM world, I just think it's alittle unfair to rubbish everybody who doesn't buy your magazine. Anyway, lets be friends coz there's too much scrapping on this list... JohnnaPig is in a good mood today - the sun is out... Peace, Love, Kisses... Johnna Pig Teare JPOL: http://www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna "It's good to be free..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun May 17 13:41:34 1998 From: David Ledbury at To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 12:35:36 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Peace, Love and Understanding? (was Re: The SAM) In-reply-to: <4351781AFE@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Message-Id: <19980517123914Z49167-4539+826@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 774 Lines: 26 > Anyway, lets be friends coz there's too much scrapping on this > list... I agree. And some people's bitcheness has already scared off several people from this list - not to mention using the SAM at all. The place for private disagreements is between the parties concerned. Okay, if the issues concern everyone - perhaps it's worthwhile mentioning them in passing... but there's no need for verbal warfare everytime people download their messages. And we're supposed to be civilized people too...? > JohnnaPig is in a good mood today - the sun is out... Yeah.... I'll be glad when we get some cloudy weather again :( I hate this weather :( > Peace, Love, Kisses... > Johnna Pig Teare > JPOL: http://www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna > "It's good to be free..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun May 17 14:03:52 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2e4e134f.355ebc91@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 14:01:25 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: I'd tried not to get involved in this one, but... X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 5082 Lines: 120 *** Silly response: How many issues of Format have you _bought_, Bob? Does that make you a serious Sam user? *** Sensible response: At 11:31 am +0100 17/5/98, BrenchleyR wrote: >>> >Well, I'm a serious supporter of the SAM, but I've never bought an >>> >issue of Format. >>> > >>> Then you are clearly NOT a serious SAM user. Right. To start at the beginning: I do not regularly read Format, but I do own approximately three issues which I bought randomly at shows etc. The reason I don't subscribe, is that there really wasn't anything in those three issues which I couldn't have written myself... That's not to say that the articles were bad, just that they didn't interest _me_. I hardly think this precludes me from being a serious Sam user. It's almost unfeasible for one magazine to cover all possible markets, and I don't think it's an admission of failure to suggest that your magazine doesn't appeal to, as Simon put it, people who can write machine code in their sleep. Nothing in Format really comes close to the much-loved, much-missed "Based On An Idea", and rightly so: you should aim your magazine at the majority of your readers, many of whom wouldn't really understand the deepest technical articles so it's hardly a productive use of your magazine's space. >>Bob that is pretentious shite and you know it. I class myself as a >>serious SAM user and I've only eer seen about three issues of >>Doormat. It obviously isn't as essential as you say it is which is >>why your circulation has plummeted. > >It is not 'pretentious shit' and YOU know it. > >As the only proffesional magazine to cover the Spectrum and SAM, and with a >current circulation that would dwarf all the other 'fanzines' combined, FORMAT Circulation does not imply quality. Just look at AOL for example... >has to be accepted as THE magazine in its field. It may, by comparison to >other markets, be a very small field, but you have to accept that FORMAT is >the dominant influence now and has been for some time. All of which may be true, but does not justify the comments "You can't be a serious Sam User if you don't read Format". It's interesting to note that it was, in fact, Bill who made that sort of comment first: At 8:06 pm +0100 13/5/98, BillRitman wrote: >How can you be serious enough about SAM to bother with this list and NOT be a >Format reader? and Bob disagreed with him: At 9:35 am +0100 14/5/98, BrenchleyR wrote: >That is not quite fair Bill. > > It is possible for someone to be serious about their SAM and still not read >FORMAT. only to contradict himself ten minutes later: At 9:42 am +0100 14/5/98, BrenchleyR wrote: >>I've never bought an issue of Format. >Then you are clearly NOT a serious SAM user. Did your schizophrenia get confused, Bob? Hmmmm. Moving right along..... >To attempt to belittle the importance of FORMAT and INDUG in (and to) the SAM >world is just petty and stupid. Stoppitstoppitstoppit! You're ALL trying to argue this on Quality - a very subjective issue. You should be talking about market - Format doesn't interest me because Format is not aimed at me. The same goes half this list, probably including Frode (which is where this argument started). Bob, you've said yourself that this list doesn't really represent a cross section of the Sam market so you should hardly be surprised that it doesn't include very many Format readers... >>The 'SAM World' needs a paper based magazine that covers ALL the >>goings on, if indeed there is any, and doesn't omit half of the stuff >>because of petty fueds. > >There is only one organization that is not given free publicity. I'm not >getting into arguments on that subject again as they have the solution to that >in their hands not mine. Well... David Ledbury is the disk magazine's editor, and I doubt that Malcolm has any plans to change this state of affairs. If you have a problem with that, I think it's your problem and not Persona's. Now, as an aside; you'll remember that (at the end of the Glouctester show) I offered to help do HTML for a Format web page. I hesitated about this at the beginning of term, mostly because of the things you, Bill and Samsboss had been saying about me over Easter - including after the show - when you thought I wouldn't find out. And when I posted a message specifically saying I'd support the SRAM project (despite thinking it was misguided) I STILL got flamed by Samsboss. Hardly the way to keep me supporting you. The offer of doing the HTML is still open. But first I think these issues have to be sorted out, once and for all. Andrew --- +-----------------+----------------------------+--------------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | " | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk | Get your kicks | +-----------------+----------------------------+ on 8.124038405 | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | " | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | anon | +----------------------------------------------+--------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun May 17 15:39:24 1998 From: Gavin Smith To: sam-users Subject: RE: I'd tried not to get involved in this one, but... Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 15:34:27 +0100 Message-Id: <000001bd81a0$e569ab60$2f14a8c2@sparky> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1059 Lines: 23 Andrew Collier wrote: > Now, as an aside; you'll remember that (at the end of the > Glouctester show) > I offered to help do HTML for a Format web page. I hesitated about this at > the beginning of term, mostly because of the things you, Bill and Samsboss > had been saying about me over Easter - including after the show - when you > thought I wouldn't find out. And when I posted a message specifically > saying I'd support the SRAM project (despite thinking it was misguided) I > STILL got flamed by Samsboss. Hardly the way to keep me supporting you. > > The offer of doing the HTML is still open. But first I think these issues > have to be sorted out, once and for all. > > Andrew I offered to do a webpage for Format/WCC/Revelation a few years ago, but I don't think Bob even bothered to reply to the mail (and this was before I was kill-filed). Strange how he attacks us, we defend ourselves, and then try and make friends with him, even offering to help him, and then he attacks us again. Watch the ego Bob, your only doing yourself damage. Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun May 17 16:13:19 1998 From: Matthew Craven Organization: Umist To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 16:08:33 BST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: The SAM In-reply-to: <4351781AFE@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.52) Message-ID: <1E680D724DE@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 420 Lines: 13 > Not disputing that - you are very mighty indeed in the eyes of the > SAM world, I just think it's alittle unfair to rubbish everybody who > doesn't buy your magazine. Yes - by the way Bob, you still haven't replied to my question of "What exactly consitutes a serious SAM user?" ........ > Anyway, lets be friends coz there's too much scrapping on this > list... Clearly some people cannot manage that. MJC. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun May 17 18:08:49 1998 From: David Ledbury at To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 17:02:21 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Official WC Web Page? (Was RE: I'd tried not to get involved in In-reply-to: <000001bd81a0$e569ab60$2f14a8c2@sparky> References: Message-Id: <19980517170556Z49268-4539+859@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 731 Lines: 17 > I offered to do a web page for Format/WCC/Revelation a few years ago, but I > don't think Bob even bothered to reply to the mail (and this was before I > was kill-filed). Strange how he attacks us, we defend ourselves, and then > try and make friends with him, even offering to help him, and then he > attacks us again. Watch the ego Bob, your only doing yourself damage. > > Gavin Which is quite a shame really.. as I'm sure if WC/Etc had their own page - it would help people who are on the Internet who actually want to buy SAMs. Of course, some people actually forward people in Bobs direction ... but obviously - the lack of official pages and announcements is quite disappointing for some people . Thoughts anyone? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun May 17 19:24:28 1998 From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Official WC Web Page? (Was RE: I'd tried not to get involved in Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 18:19:19 GMT Message-ID: <35602052.3081331@mail.enterprise.net> References: <19980517170556Z49268-4539+859@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> In-Reply-To: <19980517170556Z49268-4539+859@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2118 Lines: 48 On Fri, 15 May 1998 17:02:21 +0000, David Ledbury at wrote: >Which is quite a shame really.. as I'm sure if WC/Etc had their own >page - it would help people who are on the Internet who actually want >to buy SAMs. > >Of course, some people actually forward people in Bobs direction ... >but obviously - the lack of official pages and announcements is quite >disappointing for some people . > >Thoughts anyone? A 'Format' page at least. I think Format's 'inward' way of at looking things is one of the main reasons that I gave up my suibscription many moons ago. Having said that, I mustn't be much of 'a serious SAM user' these days because I don't buy any magazines and I don't buy software and I won't buy any hardware. Who says it's cool to be thought of as a 'serious' user anyway? The only serious thing I can see about SAM is that there are still people who've got strange notions that there is still any money to be made. That's seriously funny IMO. I like SAM, mainly because it brings back some good memories. I'm still interested in its workings, but, like most people on the list, I can't afford to be so seriously stupid enough to worry about keeping it afloat. It sank a long time ago, and one thing we can't acuse Bob or 'West Coast' of - is giving us any false hopes. I just feel sorry for the guys (like Colin P) who've put real effort into things; those whose noble efforts go without much reward in this particular market place. Format's a good mag. It caters for its customers. If they don't like it, they don't subscribe any more. Maybe it shouldn't have a web page. Maybe that might be seen as giving false hopes to SAM believers? Why do I sub to this list? Because I enjoy the banter of some old friends, and it's fun to get these threads coming in with my email. Let's face it, you pay for five minutes with BT no matter how much mail you get, so I guess that's why I'm still here. :-) Bye, _ |_)ave (/\)hitmore http://homepages.enterprise.net/davewhitmore/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun May 17 19:38:22 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: <260ef463.355f2e0c@aol.com> Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 14:35:55 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The SAM Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows sub 178 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 643 Lines: 24 In a message dated 14/05/98 23:01:44, you write: > > They have a saying down this way "zummits better than nuffingk" Format may > not > > be perfect (although I think there is lots in it) but if you have a Sam > then > > There's not a great deal of use in it, shall we say. It's also > getting slimmer all the time. > > > where else do you go? > > Any of the other magazines? the mailing list? various websites? > > Paul Other magazines? What other magazines? The mailing list. Only if you have internet access, which excludes most SAM owners I would think. Websites? Have you seen them? Not much on them is there. Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun May 17 19:47:43 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: <9d836fe3.355f2e92@aol.com> Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 14:38:09 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The SAM Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows sub 178 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 293 Lines: 10 In a message dated 15/05/98 17:10:06, you write: > > The 'SAM World' needs a paper based magazine that covers ALL the > goings on, if indeed there is any, and doesn't omit half of the stuff > because of petty fueds. > So what, if anything, do you claim the Format is missing? Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun May 17 19:47:44 1998 From: Matthew Craven Organization: Umist To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 19:39:42 BST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: The SAM In-reply-to: <260ef463.355f2e0c@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.52) Message-ID: <1EA05DD0DEF@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 280 Lines: 9 > Websites? Have you seen them? Not much on them is there. > > Bill. Well, Bill, progress is so slow, that there is not a great deal we can put on them. However, any helpful suggestions as to what can go on the web pages will I'm sure be met with the utmost gratitude. MJC. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun May 17 19:47:45 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: <529b2065.355f2fcf@aol.com> Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 14:43:26 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: I'd tried not to get involved in this one, but... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows sub 178 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 409 Lines: 14 In a message dated 17/05/98 13:02:05, you write: > > Circulation does not imply quality. Just look at AOL for example... > > Constantly voted the best Service provider in the only way that really counts - by the people who pay over their money each month. AOL provided everything any other ISP provides (I've tried 3 others) but it also provides a lot more. Bill. An AOL user because its the best. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun May 17 20:46:23 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <260ef463.355f2e0c@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 20:41:39 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: The SAM X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1403 Lines: 36 At 7:38 pm +0100 17/5/98, BillRitman wrote: >So what, if anything, do you claim the Format is missing? And a little later, at 7:35 pm +0100 17/5/98, BillRitman wrote: >Other magazines? What other magazines? Thankyou for demonstrating a point. Since you only read Format, you've missed out on half the goings-on in the Sam world. That's why you don't know what other magazines are available. >The mailing list. Only if you have internet access, which excludes most SAM >owners I would think. Bob: Did that survey ever get done? What percentage of Format-reading Sam users actually do have internet access? >Websites? Have you seen them? Not much on them is there. To which sites are you referring? There is an absolute load of infomation, if you know where to look. Good places to start include the Sam Coupe scrap-book, the Crashed pages, the sam webring, and (naturally) carou.sel/sam..... Andrew --- +-----------------+----------------------------+--------------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | " | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk | Get your kicks | +-----------------+----------------------------+ on 8.124038405 | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | " | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | anon | +----------------------------------------------+--------------------+ From imc Sun May 17 22:29:06 1998 Subject: Re: I'd tried not to get involved in this one, but... In-Reply-To: <529b2065.355f2fcf@aol.com> from BillRitman at "May 17, 98 02:43:26 pm" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 22:29:06 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 841 Lines: 22 On Sun, 17 May 1998 14:43:26 EDT, BillRitman said: > > Circulation does not imply quality. Just look at AOL for example... > Constantly voted the best Service provider in the only way that really counts > - by the people who pay over their money each month. And most of whom problably neither know nor care what other options are available. I know some people who are happy with AOL. I also know some people on AOL who are rather unhappy about the way their email keeps being delayed or going missing. > AOL provided everything any other ISP provides (I've tried 3 others) but it > also provides a lot more. May I take it then that AOL has finally become a proper ISP? (Can I start up a ppp client on my favourite non-Microsoft operating system and dial into an AOL ppp server to run my favourite mail client and news client?) imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun May 17 23:02:28 1998 From: Dean Liversidge To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 22:57:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: The SAM In-reply-to: <891d764f.355eba60@aol.com> Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 947 Lines: 31 > > I'm glad to say that the readership of FORMAT do not agree with you. Why the hell do you have to group everybody together. I am part of your readership, and i think the majority of the booklet is totally irrelevent to me and full of dribble. I can and do work out the majority of thing i need to know about Sam myself without any help from your magazine, so to your bigoted comments about any SERIOUS Sam User cannot be classed as serious, I could quite easily cancel my sub to Floremat and still be a serious user. YOU cannot define who are serious or not about what they do with their machine. You DO NOT have the right to decide what other people are. YOU ARE NOT GOD !!! Stop pretending to be! > Now the question is, do you think you can do any better? If so, I will be very > pleased to see anything you submit for publication. I'm always please to help > new writers get started. > > -- > Bob. > -- Dean Liversidge From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun May 17 23:02:28 1998 From: Dean Liversidge To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 22:57:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: I'd tried not to get involved in this one, but... In-reply-to: <529b2065.355f2fcf@aol.com> Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 100 Lines: 7 > An AOL user because its the best. In your own opinion, not in many others. -- Dean Liversidge From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun May 17 23:02:29 1998 From: Dean Liversidge To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 22:57:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: The SAM In-reply-to: <9d836fe3.355f2e92@aol.com> Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 317 Lines: 12 > > > > The 'SAM World' needs a paper based magazine that covers ALL the > > goings on, if indeed there is any, and doesn't omit half of the stuff > > because of petty fueds. > > > So what, if anything, do you claim the Format is missing? Everything that Based On An Idea ! had in it. -- Dean Liversidge From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun May 17 23:45:44 1998 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 23:40:36 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Ian Dalziel Subject: Re: The SAM In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.04 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 274 Lines: 13 In article , Dean Liversidge writes > >YOU ARE NOT GOD !!! > >Stop pretending to be! > I've seen Bob accused of pretending to be a couple of people - surely God IS someone different, though? -- Ian Dalziel From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun May 17 23:52:04 1998 From: David Ledbury at To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 22:46:06 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: The SAM In-reply-to: References: Message-Id: <19980517224940Z49385-4539+894@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 425 Lines: 19 > In article , Dean Liversidge > writes > > > >YOU ARE NOT GOD !!! > > > >Stop pretending to be! > > > > I've seen Bob accused of pretending to be a couple of people - surely > God IS someone different, though? I dunno. God's supposed to have a beard (at least the typical image)... Mind you, I don't think he's that err.... tubby tho :) Only Joking.... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 18 00:06:23 1998 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 23:58:49 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Ian Dalziel Subject: Re: The SAM In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.04 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 599 Lines: 22 In article , Ian Dalziel writes >In article , Dean Liversidge > writes >> >>YOU ARE NOT GOD !!! >> >>Stop pretending to be! >> > >I've seen Bob accused of pretending to be a couple of people - surely >God IS someone different, though? > Hang about - Beard, immeasurable age, ubiquity, omniscience, infallibilty, familiarity with the origins of all things... Frode, block any postings purporting to originate from God - it's another Brenchley scam... -- Ian Dalziel From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 18 03:17:05 1998 Message-Id: <199805180212.DAA20382@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no, AleyKeprt@bigfoot.com Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 03:12:41 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: sound emulation in simcoupe X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 909 Lines: 48 i don't know whether this is a 'feature' of the latest version (0.78) of simcoupe (i tried downloading 0.78a from Aley's site but i kept getting bad zip files so i gave up there...) but: example 1: load up the shanghai .dsk from someone's (erm, Justin Skist's?) web page. i think it's on the samcoupe webring. someone has it, anyway. load it up. press a key, and notice how the sound doesn't stop? it just keeps droning on? example 2: get into basic (eg, reset) type in: sound 0,255 sound 22,1 sound 28,1 it goes beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee now type sound 28,0 it still goes beeeeeeeeee .... hmmmm.. now type sound 0,0 sound 22,0 it STILL goes beeeeeeeeeee (at least, my copy did) but NOW type sound 28,1 it stops. anyone know if this is a simcoupe problem or a saa-tsr problem? i went to the saatsr site and saw mentions of a version 0.40 but i couldn't find it anywhere to download it. dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 18 07:21:38 1998 Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 08:18:05 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9805180618.AA15304@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: The SAM X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 359 Lines: 10 > > Ah, so you have nothing left to learn from what other people do with > > thier computer? I find that impossible to believe. > > That's not what he said - he said your articles were shit. That's not exactly what I said either. I just don't think the articles in Format are challenging enough. They used to be, bot not anymore..... Sorry Bob. :/ -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 18 11:22:36 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <80256608.0038A701.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 11:19:54 +0100 Subject: Re: sound emulation in simcoupe Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 209 Lines: 12 >From Dave Hooper: >example 1: >load up the shanghai .dsk from someone's (erm, Justin Skist's?) web >page. Nope. not mine. Mine web page isn't even finished never mind have any software on it. :( Justin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 18 11:53:21 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <80256608.0038D724.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 11:47:09 +0100 Subject: Re: The SAM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 198 Lines: 9 Ian Dalziel wrote: >I've seen Bob accused of pretending to be a couple of people - surely >God IS someone different, though? I sincerely hope so... Otherwise, I'm switching religions! :) Justin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 18 11:53:22 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <529b2065.355f2fcf@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 11:46:40 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: I'd tried not to get involved in this one, but... X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1319 Lines: 33 At 7:43 pm +0100 17/5/98, BillRitman wrote: >> Circulation does not imply quality. Just look at AOL for example... > >Constantly voted the best Service provider in the only way that really counts >- by the people who pay over their money each month. Dang. Let me try that one again.... Circulation does not imply quality. >AOL provided everything any other ISP provides (I've tried 3 others) but it >also provides a lot more. What, you mean like speed? value? a decent newsfeed? Or were you talking about AOL's built-in bad reputation? Though, in its favour, AOL does give you five email accounts for the price of one. That means, to choose a totally hypothetical example, someone could subscribe to a mailing list under (at least) two different names without even having to pay for two ISP accounts. Sneaky. Andrew -- +-----------------+----------------------------+--------------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | " | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk | Get your kicks | +-----------------+----------------------------+ on 8.124038405 | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | " | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | anon | +----------------------------------------------+--------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 18 12:19:07 1998 Message-Id: <356017F9.1D5CE801@cableol.co.uk> Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 12:14:01 +0100 From: Gavin Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: The SAM References: <80256608.0038D724.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 331 Lines: 13 Justin_Skists@case.co.uk wrote: > Ian Dalziel wrote: > > >I've seen Bob accused of pretending to be a couple of people - surely > >God IS someone different, though? > > I sincerely hope so... Otherwise, I'm switching religions! :) > > Justin Erm, well I'm an atheist, so that must mean Bob doesn't exist...hmmm :)))))))))))))))) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 18 13:35:43 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <80256608.0044FC7F.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 13:34:47 +0100 Subject: Re: The SAM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 417 Lines: 15 >> >I've seen Bob accused of pretending to be a couple of people - surely >> >God IS someone different, though? >> >> I sincerely hope so... Otherwise, I'm switching religions! :) >> >> Justin > >Erm, well I'm an atheist, so that must mean Bob doesn't exist...hmmm >:)))))))))))))))) Hang on! if Bob's God, does that mean the Samsboss and Bill are the other parts to the Holy Trinity??? Now I'm afraid!!!! Justin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 18 15:12:46 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <5f061a71.35603f71@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 10:02:23 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: (Fwd) Re: The SAM Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id PAA14334 Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1576 Lines: 39 In a message dated 14/05/98 14:31:59, you write: >. > >If someone is not suporting Bob, then he is according to Bob a not-serious >Sam user, see Bob that is one of the reasons why you are in my killfilter. >Needless to say that your incarnations are staying there also. What incarnations? If you believe that I'm anyone other than me then I think you need your head examined. And yes. If someone is a ‘serious’ user of their SAM, where else are they going to get information than through FORMAT? If they are a serious 'non- serious' user of SAM then FRED and SAM Supplement may suffice, but if you take your hobby seriously enough then INDUG membership should be top of your list. > >It is just plain idiot to think that the Sam-world revolves around you, >while it is clearly not the case. It is hardly revolving at all, although >that might change with the arrival of the new HD-interface and B-dos. The SAM world may not totally revolve around me, or anyone else for that matter. But what you cannot ignore is that in the small world of SAM we do hold the top position - by a long way. As for the new hard disc interface, if it ever sees the light of day (and as David Ledbury is involved in it I have my doubts) then it will have to compete with the SD System, something that is already established and has a proven track record. As for BDOS, as I've said before, either the SD HDOS or BDOS could form the basis of a full hard disc operating system, but ONLY after some of the problems in the ROM and MasterDOS are fixed. > > -- >Robert van der Veeke, -- Bob. From imc Mon May 18 15:21:18 1998 Subject: Re: (Fwd) Re: The SAM In-Reply-To: <5f061a71.35603f71@aol.com> from BrenchleyR at "May 18, 98 10:02:23 am" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 15:21:18 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: RO Content-Length: 211 Lines: 7 On Mon, 18 May 1998 10:02:23 EDT, BrenchleyR said: > And yes. If someone is a ‘serious’ user of their SAM, where else are they Pease don't use windows-specific fancy quotes on this mailing list. Thanks, imc. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 18 15:37:07 1998 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: The SAM References: <891d764f.355eba60@aol.com> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware X-{giggle}: Lots! From: The Giggler Date: 18 May 1998 15:16:42 +0100 In-Reply-To: BrenchleyR's message of "Sun, 17 May 1998 06:22:23 EDT" Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.66/Emacs 19.34 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 331 Lines: 11 BrenchleyR writes: > Now the question is, do you think you can do any better? If so, I will > be very pleased to see anything you submit for publication. I'm always > please to help new writers get started. Except when they want to do it on their own and not through Format ... Lee. -- Yawn And Walk North From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 18 17:43:25 1998 From: The Mad Goose Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 17:39:21 GMT+0 Subject: Re: The SAM X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <5F9D1B6D9B@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 557 Lines: 19 > In a message dated 15/05/98 17:10:06, you write: > > > > > The 'SAM World' needs a paper based magazine that covers ALL the > > goings on, if indeed there is any, and doesn't omit half of the > > stuff because of petty fueds. > > > So what, if anything, do you claim the Format is missing? This answers itself. Getting publicity in Format is very difficult because you have to know the funny handshake. > > Bill. Peace, Love, Kisses... JohnnaPig Teare JPOL: http://www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna "Living in a new world, thinking in the past..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 18 19:11:05 1998 From: David Ledbury at To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 17:44:26 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: sound emulation in simcoupe In-reply-to: <80256608.0038A701.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Message-Id: <19980518174805Z49405-30827+177@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 261 Lines: 13 > From Dave Hooper: > > >example 1: > >load up the shanghai .dsk from someone's (erm, Justin Skist's?) web > >page. > > > Nope. not mine. Mine web page isn't even finished never mind have > any software on it. :( > > Justin. Stuart Skardon's page perhaps? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 18 19:11:05 1998 From: David Ledbury at To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 17:44:27 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: (Fwd) Re: The SAM In-reply-to: <5f061a71.35603f71@aol.com> Message-Id: <19980518174803Z49404-30827+176@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id TAA20501 Status: RO Content-Length: 1299 Lines: 30 > > As for the new hard disc interface, if it ever sees the light of day (and as > David Ledbury is involved in it I have my doubts) then it will have to compete > with the SD System, something that is already established and has a proven > track record. Really? Wow! You mean I'm actually - err... what? The designer? The builder? ... Oh, of course, I programmed the DOS! Oh of course! Err.... Last time I looked I had bugger all to do with the hard drive... except for waiting eagerly for it so I can cut down the disks on my desk a little! So what am I supposed to have to do with it then? Eh? Note - there has not been a date or an official press release made so no false promises are made... unlike certain hardware such as - I believe a certain CLOCK INTERFACE which is still not available after getting on for 2 years. The only details on the Atom were released by people such as Robert and Stefan who have used the prototype ... and IIR are quite happy with what they saw. Oh, by the way, if you don't want to wait for a clock interface - I believe Blitz Reader Mr A L Bennet has his own interface for a mere £13. This is of course compatible with the standard SAMBus clock chip - and of course BDOS. I presume Format has had a full review of the Clock Interface? David From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 18 19:11:06 1998 Message-Id: <199805181753.SAA00131@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 18:52:15 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: (Fwd) Re: sound emulation in simcoupe X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1214 Lines: 27 ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- From: "Aley Keprt" > i don't know whether this is a 'feature' of the latest version (0.78) > of simcoupe (i tried downloading 0.78a from Aley's site but i kept > getting bad zip files so i gave up there...) but: I'm affraid the sound stuff is the same in 0.78 and older versions. I haven't got any problems. I'll try your examples, and mail you back. (In a few days.) > anyone know if this is a simcoupe problem or a saa-tsr problem? i > went to the saatsr site and saw mentions of a version 0.40 but i > couldn't find it anywhere to download it. The online documentation is 0.40, but the package hasn't been released yet. I'll probably change the system from TSR to DLL, so please wait for a completely new package (also SimCoupe will need huge changes.) --------------------------------------------------------------- Aley [eili] Keprt - student, programmer (audio software etc.) e-mail: AleyKeprt@bigfoot.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- >>> THE BEST WWW PAGES: http://www.inf.upol.cz/~keprta <<< ---------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 18 19:11:07 1998 From: Matthew Craven Organization: Umist To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 19:04:40 BST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: (Fwd) Re: The SAM References: <5f061a71.35603f71@aol.com> In-reply-to: <19980518174803Z49404-30827+176@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.52) Message-ID: <20170451FB8@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 212 Lines: 7 > getting on for 2 years. The only details on the Atom were released > by people such as Robert and Stefan who have used the prototype ... > and IIR are quite happy with what they saw. What is the Atom? MJC. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 18 19:11:07 1998 Message-Id: <199805181801.TAA00680@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 19:00:43 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: building simcoupe v0.78 from source (msdos) X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1195 Lines: 30 having mucked around with djgpp, i discovered that i really really needed to uninstall a LOT of stuff before installing the latest versions of gnu stuff, as the directory structure has changed. which would explain why gnu make kept crashing inexplicably. so now i've uninstalled the old, and installed the new and now, at least, it builds. ( using djdev202 and gnu 2.81 ) there was a problem with a #include in procssor.c (the #include "audio.h" has been commented out and shouldn't have been - it should have been surrounded by #ifdef USE_AUDIO_TSR / #endif directives) and a stray end-comment */ somewhere in the middle of one of the files had prevented the thing from compiling when you make with debugging turned on. also, the makefiles in scdos and scdialog seemed kinda fucked up (the 'rm -f' command was being used to remove files instead of $(RM), and this made my version of MAKE barf ) but make these changes and it compiles fine. problem is, it doesn't work once you've compiled it. gpf straight away. is anyone else trying / has anyone else tried to compile simcoupe from source? or is it not worth bothering trying for the development snapshot releases? dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 18 19:15:28 1998 Message-Id: <199805181812.TAA01541@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 19:11:56 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: (Fwd) Re: The SAM References: <19980518174803Z49404-30827+176@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> In-reply-to: <20170451FB8@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 115 Lines: 4 > What is the Atom? The Oric Atom was an 8-bit micro from around 1981. It was black and grey, and looked /great/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 18 19:16:58 1998 From: The Mad Goose Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 19:10:56 GMT+0 Subject: Re: (Fwd) Re: The SAM X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <612D685F86@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 759 Lines: 21 > > getting on for 2 years. The only details on the Atom were released > > by people such as Robert and Stefan who have used the prototype > > ... and IIR are quite happy with what they saw. > > What is the Atom? It's the new hard drive being worked on by Persona. It sounds pretty good, although there is some debate about whether it will prove as popular as the SD interface did. Still, it's nice to see some new hardware projects coming to fruition, and from the sounds of it, the Atom will have a better dos than the other interface did (although the other one was never finished or something like that...) > > MJC. Peace, Love, Kisses... JohnnaPig Teare JPOL: http://www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna "Living in a new world, thinking in the past..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 18 19:26:18 1998 From: David Ledbury at To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 18:19:04 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: (Fwd) Re: The SAM In-reply-to: <199805181812.TAA01541@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> References: <20170451FB8@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> Message-Id: <19980518182246Z49410-30827+192@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 598 Lines: 19 > > What is the Atom? > > The Oric Atom was an 8-bit micro from around 1981. It was black and > grey, and looked /great/ But the keyboard was even worse than the original Speccy's ;) Nah.. this is the internal Hard-Disk Interface, coming from Persona soon (and designed by the incredibly clever Edwin Blink). NB I did stress that Malcolm has not released details officially as of yet - as he dislikes announcing things ahead of time. I suggest using the old-fashioned telly-bone (0161 797 0651) for full details from the horses mouth... (Unless of course u r stuck in the USA :) David From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 18 20:53:42 1998 From: The Mad Goose Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 20:45:03 GMT+0 Subject: Any progress? X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <62C3290357@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1784 Lines: 38 I've now been on this list for about 20 months, and a very nice time I've had too. When I first got onto this list, it was pretty mundane stuff that we talked about, but then a proposal for a super SAM came about. Since then, and after much heated discussion (sparked off by my entirely innocent question - Who is WCC?), we were brought to the conclusion that the SRAM card needed to be built and then the rom and dos tinkered with to remove primarily rogue spellings of the word disc, and also a couple of bugs. That was over a year and a half ago, and in that time I imagine that only the extra-specially keen, and of course "serious", SAM users are left in the scene. If we were all being perfectly honest, about 75% of this list are only on here now because they like to talk to friends they met through the Sam world. Is there now left, anybody on this list who would genuinely stump up money for a machine based on old technology (and I'm talking about our Z380 based super SAM here) which will have no software written for it for months, perhaps even years (and certainly years, going by the rate it takes most normal SAM software to hit the high streets...). Is there any progress on the SAMSon, and if there isn't, isn't it just time that we forgot about it and concentrated on talking about the old days when the SAM was almost cutting edge (if you don't count the 16 bit machines that preceded it by two years...) Don't get me wrong - I'll be on this list for a long time and I'll always have an interest int eh SAM scene, but as for spending money on it...I just don't think so. Oh the times, they are a changing... Peace, Love, Kisses... JohnnaPig Teare JPOL: http://www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna "Living in a new world, thinking in the past..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 18 21:35:21 1998 From: Matthew Craven Organization: Umist To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 21:32:11 BST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Any progress? Good Question:) In-reply-to: <62C3290357@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.52) Message-ID: <203E5C43B76@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 867 Lines: 21 > Is there any progress on the SAMSon, and if there isn't, isn't it > just time that we forgot about it and concentrated on talking about > the old days when the SAM was almost cutting edge (if you don't count > the 16 bit machines that preceded it by two years...) Well the SAM was 8 bit, but honestly I don't think it's worth designing a new super-SAM, because by the time anything gets to fruition, we will have computers that make deep blue look like a ZX81. Besides, the cost of the thing would be so much, as the parts are not all that common any more and we could buy far more powerful components for half the price, for example. > Don't get me wrong - I'll be on this list for a long time and I'll > always have an interest int eh SAM scene, but as for spending money > on it...I just don't think so. Let's just stick with what we've got! MJC. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 18 22:01:17 1998 From: David Ledbury at To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 20:54:36 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Any progress? Good Question:) References: <62C3290357@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> In-reply-to: <203E5C43B76@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> Message-Id: <19980518205816Z49412-30827+227@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1920 Lines: 54 > Well the SAM was 8 bit, but honestly I don't think it's worth > designing a new super-SAM, because by the time anything gets to > fruition, we will have computers that make deep blue look like a > ZX81. Well... there's two ways of looking at it. A new computer is a possibility. There's still scope for that even now - as a none mass-market machine, with plenty of power. And there's no-reason why the SAM can't be expanded via hardware. It's just deciding what users want. Perhaps some sort of survey... not just limited to ONE magazine/fanzine? > Besides, the cost of the thing would be so much, as the parts are not > all that common any more and we could buy far more powerful > components for half the price, for example. I agree that it would be dear, but we're talking about enthusiasts ... not people who are using their wallets as the sole medium for chosing. As when people are looking for a new PC or whatever. > > Don't get me wrong - I'll be on this list for a long time and I'll > > always have an interest int eh SAM scene, but as for spending money > > on it...I just don't think so. > > Let's just stick with what we've got! And if we've almost pushed the SAM as it stands as far as it can go. Where do we draw the line with specs? 256K with no disk-drive? That was once the standard don't forget. After all every computer has a minimum standard. The Speccy's became 128, the PC is now Pentium minimum, the Mac is now PowerPC min... The standard spec for SAM is now 512K with disk-drive, and that's been pushed considerably... (particularly by Stratosphere ;) Now what's next? A hard-drive is possibly essential. More memory? Speed? Better graphics? Whatever is next on the cards for a new standard. we need to be sure that as many publishers as possible will support it and that people can afford it/are interested in it. > MJC. > Any thoughts people? David From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 18 22:57:49 1998 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 22:47:11 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Ian Dalziel Subject: Re: Any progress? In-Reply-To: <62C3290357@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.04 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 799 Lines: 25 In article <62C3290357@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk>, The Mad Goose writes >the SRAM card needed to be built and then the rom and >dos tinkered with to remove primarily rogue spellings of the word >disc, and also a couple of bugs. > ROFL (don't know an acronym for "just peed self") One of the bugs is the millenium one, presumably. >Is there now left, anybody on >this list who would genuinely stump up money for a machine based on >old technology (and I'm talking about our Z380 based super SAM here) >which will have no software written for it for months, perhaps even >years Well there's me for one. Anyway - "machine based on old technology...which will have no software written for it for months, perhaps even years" - We all bought SAM, didn't we? -- Ian Dalziel From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 18 23:11:40 1998 From: David Ledbury at To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 21:57:49 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Any progress? In-reply-to: References: <62C3290357@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Message-Id: <19980518220131Z49421-30827+237@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1289 Lines: 41 > In article <62C3290357@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk>, The Mad Goose > writes > >the SRAM card needed to be built and then the rom and > >dos tinkered with to remove primarily rogue spellings of the word > >disc, and also a couple of bugs. > > > ROFL (don't know an acronym for "just peed self") JPS? Anyway... you spell disk with a K ... but let's not get into that again! > One of the bugs is the millenium one, presumably. One bug it doesnt have actually... > >Is there now left, anybody on > >this list who would genuinely stump up money for a machine based on > >old technology (and I'm talking about our Z380 based super SAM here) > >which will have no software written for it for months, perhaps even > >years Months? Years? Err..... It's largely Z80 compatible right? So almost any Z80 code will work immediately? > Well there's me for one. And me :) > Anyway - "machine based on old technology...which will have no software > written for it for months, perhaps even years" - We all bought SAM, > didn't we? Oooooo! Bitchy! > Ian Dalziel /-----------------------------------------------/ \ If you're really desperate... take a look at \ / My web site at www.persona.clara.net/wibble/ / \________________________________________________\ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 19 00:12:30 1998 From: davidm@enterprise.net (David Munden) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: DSK Files on the FTP site Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 23:08:58 GMT Message-ID: <3560be42.98423@mail.enterprise.net> References: <00256605.0034FC09.00@mail.atlan-tech.com> In-Reply-To: <00256605.0034FC09.00@mail.atlan-tech.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 465 Lines: 13 On Fri, 15 May 1998 09:42:04 +0000, you wrote: >I downloaded the Occult DSK file from the FTP and used the Dos utility DD >to copy it onto disk. Unfortunaltely, my SAM couldn't read this disk and >gave me a "Read Error". Remember, I haven't used this stuff for ages do I >need to put a boot disk in first or could there be something wrong with >what I'm doing. > I know this is a silly question to ask, but did you unzip the archive first? _ |_)avid (\/)unden From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 19 01:08:05 1998 From: Dean Liversidge To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 00:50:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Any progress? In-reply-to: <62C3290357@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Message-ID: <895535582.2019062.0@error.demon.co.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 624 Lines: 20 > > Don't get me wrong - I'll be on this list for a long time and I'll > always have an interest int eh SAM scene, but as for spending money > on it...I just don't think so. I'm not sure how much longer i can stay on this list, every time a read messages from Bob, insinuating he is the only peron who knows anything on this list (which he barged his way into like a bull in a china shop), it just gets me so wound up. I think it's getting very near to un subscribing. I think i'll go any see how my BBS is coming along.... > Oh the times, they are a changing... Too right, and too quickly. -- Dean Liversidge From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 19 01:08:06 1998 From: Dean Liversidge To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 00:50:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Any progress? Good Question:) References: <62C3290357@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> In-reply-to: <203E5C43B76@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> Message-ID: <895535582.2019063.0@error.demon.co.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 345 Lines: 13 > > Let's just stick with what we've got! > A good idea, there is still a lot that can be done with the original machine, hard disk would make it quicker to work on though! people are wanting to upgrade the machine to something it should have been in the first place, like it's been said before, too little too late. -- Dean Liversidge From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 19 01:08:07 1998 From: Dean Liversidge To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 00:50:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: I'd tried not to get involved in this one, but... In-reply-to: References: <529b2065.355f2fcf@aol.com> Message-ID: <895535582.2019061.0@error.demon.co.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 975 Lines: 23 > >AOL provided everything any other ISP provides (I've tried 3 others) but it > >also provides a lot more. > > What, you mean like speed? value? a decent newsfeed? Or were you talking > about AOL's built-in bad reputation? > > Though, in its favour, AOL does give you five email accounts for the price > of one. That means, to choose a totally hypothetical example, someone could > subscribe to a mailing list under (at least) two different names without > even having to pay for two ISP accounts. Sneaky. Demon amongst many others give you a node name and allow you unlimited usernames before the @ and also allow you to use any TCP/IP / Socket compatable mail software to allow you to use those accounts to their fullest. Unlike AOL that restrict the creative minds of their users, but then again *some* of their users are so ignorant to the abilty and use of the internet and it's software that they wouldnt know what to do with it anyway. -- Dean Liversidge From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 19 09:48:08 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <80256609.00301B42.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 09:46:15 +0100 Subject: Re: Any progress? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 138 Lines: 11 >> ROFL (don't know an acronym for "just peed self") > >JPS? Yes? Ooops... Oh.. You weren't looking for me... Justin Peteris Skists. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 19 10:09:00 1998 Message-ID: <008101bd8304$7b903c80$f03ca8c0@daves-pc.orctel.internal> From: Dave To: sam-users Subject: A Solution Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 09:59:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 430 Lines: 15 What with all the people quitting the list due to Bob's superiority complex, may I be the first to offer a solution: Change the list! That's right - Bob can have this entire list to himself, which is alright since he's got the only view which counts anyway. Perhaps we can have a sam-users-not-bob@nvg.unit.no? This way we also neatly avoid kicking anyone (or their aliases) off the list. Free speech and all that... DMZ --- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 19 10:28:13 1998 Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 11:17:20 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9805190917.AA00433@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: A Solution X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 505 Lines: 15 > What with all the people quitting the list due to Bob's > superiority complex, may I be the first to offer a solution: > > Change the list! > > That's right - Bob can have this entire list to himself, which > is alright since he's got the only view which counts anyway. > > Perhaps we can have a sam-users-not-bob@nvg.unit.no? > This way we also neatly avoid kicking anyone (or their aliases) > off the list. Free speech and all that... I feelt it's better everybody is nice to each other. -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 19 11:42:36 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <35f74b42.35615ff9@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 06:33:28 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The SAM Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 368 Lines: 20 In a message dated 17/05/98 22:43:06, you write: >In article , Dean Liversidge > writes >> >>YOU ARE NOT GOD !!! >> >>Stop pretending to be! >> > >I've seen Bob accused of pretending to be a couple of people - surely >God IS someone different, though? > >-- >Ian Dalziel LET THERE BE LIGHT! -- Bob From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 19 11:42:37 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <6646fc42.35615ff6@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 06:33:24 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The SAM Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 638 Lines: 23 In a message dated 17/05/98 15:14:27, you write: >o > >> Not disputing that - you are very mighty indeed in the eyes of the >> SAM world, I just think it's alittle unfair to rubbish everybody who >> doesn't buy your magazine. > >Yes - by the way Bob, you still haven't replied to my question of >"What exactly consitutes a serious SAM user?" ........ I think I did. But if you missed it, I would say that a serious SAM user would be someone who read at least one of FORMAT, FRED, SAM SUP. > >> Anyway, lets be friends coz there's too much scrapping on this >> list... > >Clearly some people cannot manage that. > >MJC. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 19 11:42:37 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 06:33:25 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The SAM Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1252 Lines: 39 In a message dated 17/05/98 19:42:21, you write: >o > >At 7:38 pm +0100 17/5/98, BillRitman wrote: >>So what, if anything, do you claim the Format is missing? > >And a little later, at 7:35 pm +0100 17/5/98, BillRitman wrote: >>Other magazines? What other magazines? > >Thankyou for demonstrating a point. > >Since you only read Format, you've missed out on half the goings-on in the >Sam world. That's why you don't know what other magazines are available. FRED and CRASHED advertise in FORMAT, so have SAM Sup in the past. I don't know of any other mags that have lasted more than a couple of issues. > >>The mailing list. Only if you have internet access, which excludes most SAM >>owners I would think. > >Bob: Did that survey ever get done? What percentage of Format-reading Sam >users actually do have internet access? Real (paper based) survey to run in July issue. Staw poll of people phoning shows access around 10 to 15%. > >>Websites? Have you seen them? Not much on them is there. > >To which sites are you referring? There is an absolute load of infomation, >if you know where to look. Good places to start include the Sam Coupe >scrap-book, the Crashed pages, the sam webring, and (naturally) >carou.sel/sam..... > >Andrew -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 19 11:42:38 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <243712c2.35615ffa@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 06:33:29 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: I'd tried not to get involved in this one, but... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1305 Lines: 39 In a message dated 18/05/98 10:57:53, you write: >o > >At 7:43 pm +0100 17/5/98, BillRitman wrote: >>> Circulation does not imply quality. Just look at AOL for example... >> >>Constantly voted the best Service provider in the only way that really >counts >>- by the people who pay over their money each month. > >Dang. Let me try that one again.... > >Circulation does not imply quality. > >>AOL provided everything any other ISP provides (I've tried 3 others) but it >>also provides a lot more. > >What, you mean like speed? value? a decent newsfeed? Or were you talking >about AOL's built-in bad reputation? Got to say Andrew, but AOL's speed is very good these days, ok their news software is crap but the feeds are not too bad (I often have to use AOL if I'm away as the software is so easy to install/uninstall). And I think the bad reputation is a hang-over from the early days and is certainly not deserved now. > >Though, in its favour, AOL does give you five email accounts for the price >of one. That means, to choose a totally hypothetical example, someone could >subscribe to a mailing list under (at least) two different names without >even having to pay for two ISP accounts. Sneaky. Yep, that is another good point. Must think of a use for the other two some time. > >Andrew -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 19 11:42:39 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <726fef42.35615ff8@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 06:33:27 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: I'd tried not to get involved in this one, but... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1815 Lines: 46 In a message dated 17/05/98 21:29:47, you write: >On Sun, 17 May 1998 14:43:26 EDT, BillRitman said: >> > Circulation does not imply quality. Just look at AOL for example... > >> Constantly voted the best Service provider in the only way that really >counts >> - by the people who pay over their money each month. > >And most of whom problably neither know nor care what other options are >available. I think that is a bit unfair. I've tried enough systems when I've been setting up PCs for people and although I use another ISP for newsgroup work I would still recommend AOL to all but the most technically minded people because it is simple to use and has so many extras. > >I know some people who are happy with AOL. I also know some people on AOL >who are rather unhappy about the way their email keeps being delayed or >going missing. Never had missing email that could be attributed to AOL, delays yes - but not as bad as those I've seen on other systems. And I think Nev Young can tell you how bad NDIRECT were for lost email. > >> AOL provided everything any other ISP provides (I've tried 3 others) but it >> also provides a lot more. > >May I take it then that AOL has finally become a proper ISP? (Can I >start up a ppp client on my favourite non-Microsoft operating system and >dial into an AOL ppp server to run my favourite mail client and news >client?) Maybe not, but that does not mean they are not a 'proper' ISP. And as for non- Microsloth systems, I think they are now supporting several. > >imc Overall I would give AOL 7 out of 10. Its email software needs some improving, its newgroup software needs a complete rewrite, and it needs to provide better archive features. But in general, its plus points outweigh it faults. Try it, you will find a lot of good stuff on AOL. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 19 11:42:40 1998 From: Matthew Craven Organization: Umist To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 11:39:33 BST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: A Solution In-reply-to: <008101bd8304$7b903c80$f03ca8c0@daves-pc.orctel.internal> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.52) Message-ID: <212052402B8@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 328 Lines: 10 > That's right - Bob can have this entire list to himself, which > is alright since he's got the only view which counts anyway. > > Perhaps we can have a sam-users-not-bob@nvg.unit.no? > This way we also neatly avoid kicking anyone (or their aliases) > off the list. Free speech and all that... Yeah - what a good idea. MJC. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 19 12:02:17 1998 From: Matthew Craven Organization: Umist To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 11:47:40 BST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Any progress? Good Question:) References: <203E5C43B76@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> In-reply-to: <19980518205816Z49412-30827+227@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.52) Message-ID: <21227896763@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1279 Lines: 35 > Perhaps some sort of survey... not just limited to ONE > magazine/fanzine? What about over this mailing list? > I agree that it would be dear, but we're talking about enthusiasts > ... not people who are using their wallets as the sole medium for > chosing. As when people are looking for a new PC or whatever. Well I suppose so - have you seen the ridiculous prices of Spectrums "semi-new" built up from cannibalised parts? > Where do we draw the line with specs? 256K with no disk-drive? That > was once the standard don't forget. After all every computer has a > minimum standard. The Speccy's became 128, the PC is now Pentium > minimum, the Mac is now PowerPC min... Oh that's why my 486 won't run any new games then..... :) > The standard spec for SAM is now 512K with disk-drive, and that's > been pushed considerably... (particularly by Stratosphere ;) > > Now what's next? A hard-drive is possibly essential. More memory? > Speed? Better graphics? Well a hard drive I agree with. > Whatever is next on the cards for a new standard. we need to be sure > that as many publishers as possible will support it and that people > can afford it/are interested in it. But that's the whole problem - there are hardly any (except us that is)! MJC. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 19 12:09:57 1998 From: Simon Cooke To: sam-users Subject: RE: The SAM Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 07:00:26 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bd8315$540e0a00$d96faccf@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: <35f74b42.35615ff9@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 273 Lines: 17 > >I've seen Bob accused of pretending to be a couple of people - surely > >God IS someone different, though? > > > >-- > >Ian Dalziel > > LET THERE BE LIGHT! > > -- > Bob I wish you hadn't done that. I need to change the bulb in my office and the apartment now. Simon From imc Tue May 19 12:14:26 1998 Subject: Re: I'd tried not to get involved in this one, but... To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 12:14:26 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <726fef42.35615ff8@aol.com> from "BrenchleyR" at May 19, 98 06:33:27 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 722 Lines: 22 On Tue, 19 May 1998 06:33:27 EDT, BrenchleyR said: > In a message dated 17/05/98 21:29:47, you write: > >And most of whom problably neither know nor care what other options are > >available. > > I think that is a bit unfair. I've tried enough systems You are not most users. > Maybe not, but that does not mean they are not a 'proper' ISP. A "proper" ISP provides Internet services, as the name suggests. I ought to be able to run any and all Internet software through it. AOL is chiefly an online service, as its name suggests, and from what I hear it appears to be quite strict about what software you can use with it. > Try it I think not (given that I have free access to the university's PPP server). imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 19 12:17:05 1998 From: Simon Cooke To: sam-users Subject: RE: Any progress? Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 07:08:14 -0400 Message-ID: <000101bd8316$6ad1dea0$d96faccf@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <80256609.00301B42.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 98 Lines: 11 > >> ROFL (don't know an acronym for "just peed self") > > > >JPS? How about... WEE! ;) Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 19 12:52:46 1998 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: The SAM References: <6646fc42.35615ff6@aol.com> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware X-{giggle}: Lots! From: The Giggler Date: 19 May 1998 12:47:45 +0100 In-Reply-To: BrenchleyR's message of "Tue, 19 May 1998 06:33:24 EDT" Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.66/Emacs 19.34 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 732 Lines: 21 BrenchleyR writes: > In a message dated 17/05/98 15:14:27, you write: > > >> Not disputing that - you are very mighty indeed in the eyes of the > >> SAM world, I just think it's alittle unfair to rubbish everybody who > >> doesn't buy your magazine. > > > >Yes - by the way Bob, you still haven't replied to my question of > >"What exactly consitutes a serious SAM user?" ........ > > I think I did. But if you missed it, I would say that a serious SAM user would > be someone who read at least one of FORMAT, FRED, SAM SUP. Nope, I'm sorry but a serious SAM user is by its very definition someone who *USES THEIR SAM SERIOUSLY* regardless of what they do or do not read. Lee. -- Yawn And Walk North From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 19 13:28:21 1998 From: Matthew Craven Organization: Umist To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 13:23:06 BST Subject: Re: The SAM X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.31 Message-ID: <213BF2149E2@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 288 Lines: 8 > Nope, I'm sorry but a serious SAM user is by its very definition someone > who *USES THEIR SAM SERIOUSLY* regardless of what they do or do not > read. Well, I've got tons of issues of FRED, but have never ever bought an issue of Format. I think that's what he's moaning about. MJC. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 19 13:50:08 1998 From: Misecka Rastislav Message-Id: <199805191246.AA08790@elf.stuba.sk> Subject: Games for SimCoupe To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 14:46:03 +0100 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: <213BF2149E2@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> from "Matthew Craven" at May 19, 98 01:23:06 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL0] Content-Type: text X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 310 Lines: 12 Hello guys, I am not owner of CamCoupe, but I downloaded recently SimCoupe emulator and don't have any games to try it out. Is there any site where I can download them ? Or if not, how can I run ZX games for various emulators on SimCoupe ? Thanx in advance for your help. Santik misecka@decef.elf.stuba.sk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 19 13:57:58 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <80256609.004697D7.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 13:57:22 +0100 Subject: Oh well, the time has come... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 612 Lines: 21 Dear people, The time has come to which I now have to leave this list. The fighting and bickering has gone on for too long. (Obviously, I'm only a semi-serious user since although I buy Format, it isn't as technical as I would like so I don't really read the thing - just a quick flick through when it comes my way) Anyway, the time has come for me to leave this list as I no longer want my mailbox full up with junk. Actually, I'm only going away for a week so I'll resubscribe next Thursday if I can remember how to do it.... Take care.. Stop fighting.... And.. best of all.. SMILE!!!!!!!!!!!! Justin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 19 14:52:08 1998 From: Maria Rookyard To: sam-users Subject: Re: Any progress? Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 13:30:00 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 206 Lines: 18 > > >> ROFL (don't know an acronym for "just peed self") > > > > > >JPS? > > How about... > > WEE! > > ;) > > Simon Go on, admit it Simon - you're just p*ssing us about here aren't you? ;) Maria. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 19 16:54:18 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <99875dcf.3561a744@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 11:37:39 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The SAM Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1125 Lines: 34 In a message dated 18/05/98 16:40:43, you write: >> In a message dated 15/05/98 17:10:06, you write: >> >> > >> > The 'SAM World' needs a paper based magazine that covers ALL the >> > goings on, if indeed there is any, and doesn't omit half of the >> > stuff because of petty fueds. >> > >> So what, if anything, do you claim the Format is missing? > >This answers itself. Getting publicity in Format is very difficult >because you have to know the funny handshake. > >> >> Bill. > >Peace, Love, Kisses... >JohnnaPig Teare Getting publicity in FORMAT has always been very easy. Provided you can show you have a product (and not some pipe dream) or provided you are what I (as the editor) consider to be a reliable business, then all you have to do is send me a press release and you get your publicity. In the past I have been, with very good cause, reluctent to give publicity to disc/paper magazines until they have proved themselves by at least getting to issue 3 or 4. Beyond that I know of no products that have not received publicity as soon as they were launched and we heard about them. HTH. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 19 16:54:28 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <906290cf.3561a745@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 11:37:39 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Any progress? Good Question:) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 524 Lines: 25 In a message dated 19/05/98 00:09:50, you write: >o > >> >> Let's just stick with what we've got! >> > >A good idea, there is still a lot that can be done with the original >machine, hard disk would make it quicker to work on though! A working hard drive system has been available for a long time you know. > >people are wanting to upgrade the machine to something it should have >been in the first place, like it's been said before, too little too >late. It is never toooo late. > >-- >Dean Liversidge -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 19 16:54:29 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <89218f4f.3561a746@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 11:37:41 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: I'd tried not to get involved in this one, but... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1415 Lines: 35 In a message dated 19/05/98 00:09:52, you write: >o > >> >AOL provided everything any other ISP provides (I've tried 3 others) but >it >> >also provides a lot more. >> >> What, you mean like speed? value? a decent newsfeed? Or were you talking >> about AOL's built-in bad reputation? >> >> Though, in its favour, AOL does give you five email accounts for the price >> of one. That means, to choose a totally hypothetical example, someone could >> subscribe to a mailing list under (at least) two different names without >> even having to pay for two ISP accounts. Sneaky. > >Demon amongst many others give you a node name and allow you >unlimited usernames before the @ and also allow you to use any TCP/IP >/ Socket compatable mail software to allow you to use those accounts >to their fullest. Oh very true, as do others, but it is swings and roundabouts. > >Unlike AOL that restrict the creative minds of their users, but then >again *some* of their users are so ignorant to the abilty and use >of the internet and it's software that they wouldnt know what to do >with it anyway. How the hell did you come up with that one? How do AOL restrict the creative minds of their users? They provide what is, in the main, bloody good software, excellent on-line services in ADDITION to the normal internet/WWW access, and easy access from almost anywhere in the world. How can that be restrictive? -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 19 16:54:41 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <664758cf.3561a743@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 11:37:37 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The SAM Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 487 Lines: 17 In a message dated 18/05/98 14:41:36, you write: >: > >> Now the question is, do you think you can do any better? If so, I will >> be very pleased to see anything you submit for publication. I'm always >> please to help new writers get started. > >Except when they want to do it on their own and not through Format ... > >Lee. Most people who write do so because they want to be read. Therefore would you not agree that FORMAT is the best place to have your work published? -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 19 16:54:42 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199805191246.AA08790@elf.stuba.sk> References: <213BF2149E2@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> from "Matthew Craven" at May 19, 98 01:23:06 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 16:44:56 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Games for SimCoupe X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1644 Lines: 43 At 2:46 pm +0100 19/5/98, Misecka Rastislav wrote: >Hello guys, > >I am not owner of CamCoupe, but I downloaded recently >SimCoupe emulator and don't have any games to try it out. >Is there any site where I can download them ? Unfortunately, most commercial Sam games are still held under copyright and you cannot download their images. However, there is quite a lot of free software available including demos and small games. Some interesting places to look are: http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/sam/mnemotech.html Homepage of the Sam's second-largest coding group. You can download various code demos, and a game - SamMines. http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/sampages/games/ These are Stewart Skardon's pages, and you can download various other demos and game previews. ftp://ftp.nvg.ntnu.no/pub/sam-coupe/ All sorts of stuff http://www.persona.clara.net/ Persona, who will happily sell you the original games if you're interested Off at a tangent... did anybody on this list buy my ILLUSION PD disk from Derek Morgan? I was going to put a copy on my webpage, but suddenly I realised I don't even have a copy of it myself. Whoops. Andrew -- +-----------------+----------------------------+--------------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | " | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk | Get your kicks | +-----------------+----------------------------+ on 8.124038405 | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | " | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | anon | +----------------------------------------------+--------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 19 17:03:34 1998 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: The SAM References: <664758cf.3561a743@aol.com> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware X-{giggle}: Lots! From: The Giggler Date: 19 May 1998 16:58:02 +0100 In-Reply-To: BrenchleyR's message of "Tue, 19 May 1998 11:37:37 EDT" Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.66/Emacs 19.34 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 935 Lines: 23 BrenchleyR writes: > In a message dated 18/05/98 14:41:36, you write: > > >> Now the question is, do you think you can do any better? If so, I will > >> be very pleased to see anything you submit for publication. I'm always > >> please to help new writers get started. > > > >Except when they want to do it on their own and not through Format ... > > Most people who write do so because they want to be read. Therefore would you > not agree that FORMAT is the best place to have your work published? Depends what you're writing I suppose but the point that I was trying to make was that despite your enthusiasm about people writing for the SAM so that the users could learn something it only applies if they want to have it published in Format. If for example they choose to start there own mag or send it somewhere else you've been known to be unsupportive at the very best ... Lee. -- Yawn And Walk North From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 19 17:19:21 1998 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: I'd tried not to get involved in this one, but... References: <89218f4f.3561a746@aol.com> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware X-{giggle}: Lots! From: The Giggler Date: 19 May 1998 17:03:00 +0100 In-Reply-To: BrenchleyR's message of "Tue, 19 May 1998 11:37:41 EDT" Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.66/Emacs 19.34 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 914 Lines: 26 BrenchleyR writes: > In a message dated 19/05/98 00:09:52, you write: > > How the hell did you come up with that one? How do AOL restrict the creative > minds of their users? They provide what is, in the main, bloody good software, But it is restrictive compared to a lot of _better_ alternatives, just because it does everything you want it to do doesn't mean that it does everything that everyone wants. From admittedly brief experience of AOL software it is nowhere near as versatile as I would like and indeed as the mail program I use is. Example 1 when replying the mail software always puts on blah de blah blah *YOU* write: which for the amount of mailing to lists I do would be completely unacceptable. My reader will let me put whatever text I want there. > easy access from almost anywhere in the world. How can that be restrictive? See above Lee. -- Yawn And Walk North From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 19 18:05:48 1998 From: Simon Cooke To: sam-users Subject: RE: The SAM Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 12:53:19 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bd8346$a0363b60$5792accf@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <664758cf.3561a743@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 308 Lines: 14 > Most people who write do so because they want to be read. > Therefore would you > not agree that FORMAT is the best place to have your work published? Nahhhh... I'd say a news-stand computer mag is the best place, because that way you get some cold hard cash in return. But then, I'm biased. :) Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 19 19:06:52 1998 From: David Ledbury at To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 17:51:53 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Any progress? Good Question:) References: <19980518205816Z49412-30827+227@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> In-reply-to: <21227896763@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> Message-Id: <19980519175538Z49443-30827+475@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2128 Lines: 60 > > Perhaps some sort of survey... not just limited to ONE > > magazine/fanzine? > > What about over this mailing list? Yes... but excluding "suspected aliases" of course :) But what's wrong with all the SAM zines printing / including such a survey? It's in their interest as well after all - and it would give a more accurate picture of things over a larger sample group. > > I agree that it would be dear, but we're talking about enthusiasts > > ... not people who are using their wallets as the sole medium for > > chosing. As when people are looking for a new PC or whatever. > > Well I suppose so - have you seen the ridiculous prices of Spectrums > "semi-new" built up from cannibalised parts? Doesn't surprise me one bit. They still need to have paid for components in the first place. > > Where do we draw the line with specs? 256K with no disk-drive? That > > was once the standard don't forget. After all every computer has a > > minimum standard. The Speccy's became 128, the PC is now Pentium > > minimum, the Mac is now PowerPC min... > > Oh that's why my 486 won't run any new games then..... :) And mine too.... I dont really bother spending money on the PC... it's mainly on SAM - (if anything at all on computers... some of us do have a social life u know ;) hence my only having a basic PC system. > > The standard spec for SAM is now 512K with disk-drive, and that's > > been pushed considerably... (particularly by Stratosphere ;) > > > > Now what's next? A hard-drive is possibly essential. More memory? > > Speed? Better graphics? > > Well a hard drive I agree with. Me too ;) > > Whatever is next on the cards for a new standard. we need to be sure > > that as many publishers as possible will support it and that people > > can afford it/are interested in it. > > But that's the whole problem - there are hardly any (except us that > is)! And all the FORMAT, Fred, Blitz, Supplement (REMEMBER TO LOOK FOR SOFTWARE PEOPLE!) etc readers of course! Not to mention all those people who don't even know about SAM still existing in any form... > MJC. David From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 19 19:06:52 1998 From: David Ledbury at To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 17:51:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: The SAM In-reply-to: <6646fc42.35615ff6@aol.com> Message-Id: <19980519175538Z49444-30827+476@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 602 Lines: 16 > From: BrenchleyR > Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 06:33:24 EDT > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Subject: Re: The SAM > Reply-to: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Date: Tue, 19 May 98 18:33:55 BST > In a message dated 17/05/98 15:14:27, you write: > >Yes - by the way Bob, you still haven't replied to my question of > >"What exactly consitutes a serious SAM user?" ........ > > I think I did. But if you missed it, I would say that a serious SAM user would > be someone who read at least one of FORMAT, FRED, SAM SUP. And of course Blitz ;) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 19 19:06:54 1998 From: David Ledbury at To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 17:51:52 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: The SAM In-reply-to: <99875dcf.3561a744@aol.com> Message-Id: <19980519175537Z49441-30827+474@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 620 Lines: 26 > From: BrenchleyR > Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 11:37:39 EDT > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Subject: Re: The SAM > Reply-to: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Date: Tue, 19 May 98 18:34:10 BST > In a message dated 18/05/98 16:40:43, you write: > [big snip!] > issue 3 or 4. Beyond that I know of no products that have not received > publicity as soon as they were launched and we heard about them. > > HTH. > > -- > Bob. > > Mr A L Bennett's clock interface? (Only 13 quid for anyone still after one .. internal and external versions available.) David From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 19 19:06:55 1998 From: David Ledbury at To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 17:51:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: The SAM In-reply-to: Message-Id: <19980519175539Z49446-30827+477@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1585 Lines: 48 > From: BrenchleyR > Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 06:33:25 EDT > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Subject: Re: The SAM > Reply-to: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Date: Tue, 19 May 98 18:33:56 BST > In a message dated 17/05/98 19:42:21, you write: > > >o > > > >At 7:38 pm +0100 17/5/98, BillRitman wrote: > >>So what, if anything, do you claim the Format is missing? > > > >And a little later, at 7:35 pm +0100 17/5/98, BillRitman wrote: > >>Other magazines? What other magazines? > > > >Thankyou for demonstrating a point. > > > >Since you only read Format, you've missed out on half the goings-on in the > >Sam world. That's why you don't know what other magazines are available. > > FRED and CRASHED advertise in FORMAT, so have SAM Sup in the past. I don't > know of any other mags that have lasted more than a couple of issues. > > > >>The mailing list. Only if you have internet access, which excludes most SAM > >>owners I would think. > > > >Bob: Did that survey ever get done? What percentage of Format-reading Sam > >users actually do have internet access? > > Real (paper based) survey to run in July issue. Staw poll of people phoning > shows access around 10 to 15%. > > > > >>Websites? Have you seen them? Not much on them is there. > > > >To which sites are you referring? There is an absolute load of infomation, > >if you know where to look. Good places to start include the Sam Coupe > >scrap-book, the Crashed pages, the sam webring, and (naturally) > >carou.sel/sam..... > > > >Andrew > > -- > Bob. > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 19 19:06:55 1998 From: David Ledbury at To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 17:51:55 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: The SAM In-reply-to: Message-Id: <19980519175539Z49448-30827+478@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 468 Lines: 15 > From: BrenchleyR > Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 06:33:25 EDT > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Subject: Re: The SAM > Reply-to: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Date: Tue, 19 May 98 18:33:56 BST > > FRED and CRASHED advertise in FORMAT, so have SAM Sup in the past. I don't > know of any other mags that have lasted more than a couple of issues. ZAT only lasted a mere 28 issues. Blitz is on a mere issue 8. > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 19 20:36:40 1998 Message-Id: <199805191926.UAA30071@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Paul Walker Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 20:26:00 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: The SAM In-reply-to: <260ef463.355f2e0c@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 581 Lines: 21 > Other magazines? What other magazines? Crashed, Sam Supplement, the ones that I can't remember because I haven't looked at SAM stuff for a long time. > The mailing list. Only if you have internet access, which excludes most SAM > owners I would think. Ah, so SAM owners don't want progress? > Websites? Have you seen them? Not much on them is there. A reasonable amount. Paul -- ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ---- FidoNet: 2:254/60.11 2:442/103.13 ---> http://www.craybbs.co.uk/foti <--- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 19 20:48:59 1998 Date: Tue, 19 May 98 18:53:50 GMT Message-ID: <1064_OASIS_@lhutz.demon.co.uk> From: James@lhutz.demon.co.uk (James R Curry) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Mailer: OASIS Post Box (Atari) v1.31E Subject: Re: The SAM X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 654 Lines: 32 In E-Mail <35f74b42.35615ff9@aol.com> BrenchleyR wrote:- >>I've seen Bob accused of pretending to be a couple of people - surely >>God IS someone different, though? >> >>-- >>Ian Dalziel > >LET THERE BE LIGHT! > >-- >Bob Wait a minute, does this mean that all the world's problems are YOUR fault?! __ James R Curry - James@lhutz.demon.co.uk "You're missing the point! The individual doesn't matter. It was a team effort, and I was the one who came up with the whole team idea...me!" - Homer Simpson, The Simpsons. Please insert meaningless promise about The Official James R Curry web page here... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 19 22:57:22 1998 From: Peter Harkess To: Sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 22:42:50 +0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview3 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Subject: using a monitor on the sam. X-Orcpt: rfc822;Sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 558 Lines: 19 All hail the Newflesh MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Hello, Just a quick question on monitors. Can i connect a monitor to the sam? I have a Microvitec-multiscan monitor and i want to connect it to my sam. the connections are similar or identical to a vga monitor. Anybody help???? --- Software suppliers are trying to make their software packages more 'user-friendly'.... Their best approach, so far, has been to take all the old brochures, and stamp the words, 'user-friendly' on the cover. -- Bill Gates cheers Peter Harkess From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 19 23:09:48 1998 From: Matthew Craven Organization: Umist To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 23:02:06 BST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Questions and issues on progress References: <21227896763@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> In-reply-to: <19980519175538Z49443-30827+475@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.52) Message-ID: <21D65811FE6@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1063 Lines: 33 [SAM surveys....] > Yes... but excluding "suspected aliases" of course :) Obviously. But Bob would probably argue that that isn't democratic. > But what's wrong with all the SAM zines printing / including such a > survey? It's in their interest as well after all - and it would give > a more accurate picture of things over a larger sample group. Statistically yes. > And mine too.... I dont really bother spending money on the PC... > it's mainly on SAM - (if anything at all on computers... some of > us do have a social life u know ;) hence my only having a basic > PC system. Well, as long as I can run Indycars I and II and Grand Prix I and II, then I'm happy. .... > > But that's the whole problem - there are hardly any (except us that > > is)! > > And all the FORMAT, Fred, Blitz, Supplement (REMEMBER TO LOOK > FOR SOFTWARE PEOPLE!) etc readers of course! > Not to mention all those people who don't even know about SAM still > existing in any form... In that case, we could have literally billions supporting the SAM :) MJC. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 19 23:36:08 1998 Message-Id: <199805192229.XAA24599@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Paul Walker Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 23:29:04 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: The SAM In-reply-to: <6646fc42.35615ff6@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 685 Lines: 16 > I think I did. But if you missed it, I would say that a serious SAM user would > be someone who read at least one of FORMAT, FRED, SAM SUP. I haven't seen Sam Supplement, but Fred and Format don't really do anything or run anything that would count as especially "serious", in that sense. Serious in the sense of not playing games, yes, Format covers that, but the level of technical detail is in the main very low. Look at the issues of BOAI that were released to see how it should be done. Paul -- ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ---- FidoNet: 2:254/60.11 2:442/103.13 ---> http://www.craybbs.co.uk/foti <--- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 20 02:49:06 1998 Date: Wed, 20 May 98 01:35:16 GMT Message-ID: <1067_OASIS_@lhutz.demon.co.uk> From: James@lhutz.demon.co.uk (James R Curry) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Mailer: OASIS Post Box (Atari) v1.31E Subject: Re: Questions and issues on progre X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 837 Lines: 30 OASIS_E-Mail: "Matthew Craven" wrote:- >[SAM surveys....] > >> Yes... but excluding "suspected aliases" of course :) > >Obviously. But Bob would probably argue that that isn't democratic. It wouldn't be Bob's place to. It would be the place of the suspected aliases. And is at happens, when I organized a vote on something and said "I'm afraid no-one who we cannot prove is real, such as Samsboss"... I had a nice mail from Samsboss saying that this was reasonable. :) __ James R Curry - James@lhutz.demon.co.uk "You're missing the point! The individual doesn't matter. It was a team effort, and I was the one who came up with the whole team idea...me!" - Homer Simpson, The Simpsons. Please insert meaningless promise about The Official James R Curry web page here... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 20 07:14:42 1998 Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 08:09:43 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9805200609.AA06195@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: The SAM X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 863 Lines: 19 > >> Now the question is, do you think you can do any better? If so, I will > >> be very pleased to see anything you submit for publication. I'm always > >> please to help new writers get started. > > > >Except when they want to do it on their own and not through Format ... > > > >Lee. > > Most people who write do so because they want to be read. Therefore would you > not agree that FORMAT is the best place to have your work published? Back in the early days I submitted two articles, neither of them was printed and neither did I get any feedback on thm from Format. Not a very encouraging gesture, don't you think? Don't get me wrong. Format is probably the ideal magazine to start out with, but there is not much 'advanced' stuff. The News section has relatively good coverage here. Some objective arguments would be benifitial for Format here. -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 20 07:55:35 1998 From: nevilley@spamblock.nfy53.demon.co.uk (Nev Young) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: The SAM Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 06:50:52 GMT Organization: nfy53 Message-ID: <356271c9.357104@post.demon.co.uk> References: <35f74b42.35615ff9@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <35f74b42.35615ff9@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 397 Lines: 14 On Tue, 19 May 1998 06:33:28 EDT, BrenchleyR wrote: > > LET THERE BE LIGHT! > excuse me sir, but did you acquire the necessary planning permission, as detailed under section 197D, subsection F paragraph 4, creation of universes act 1994(revised), to create that light. -- Nev - no longer at nevilley@ndirect.co.uk and getting no spam at all (yet) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 20 08:47:33 1998 From: Dean Liversidge To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 08:27:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: The SAM In-reply-to: <664758cf.3561a743@aol.com> Message-ID: <895649241.1013827.0@error.demon.co.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 602 Lines: 17 > > > >> Now the question is, do you think you can do any better? If so, I will > >> be very pleased to see anything you submit for publication. I'm always > >> please to help new writers get started. > > > >Except when they want to do it on their own and not through Format ... > > > >Lee. > > Most people who write do so because they want to be read. Therefore would you > not agree that FORMAT is the best place to have your work published? > A lot of people who write about computers on the internet do so to try to help other people do something that they have found hard. -- Dean Liversidge From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 20 08:47:34 1998 From: Dean Liversidge To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 08:27:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: The SAM In-reply-to: <35f74b42.35615ff9@aol.com> Message-ID: <895649239.1013825.0@error.demon.co.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 97 Lines: 12 > > LET THERE BE LIGHT! Ah, i see it now. Now turn to face the front. -- Dean Liversidge From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 20 08:47:35 1998 From: Dean Liversidge To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 08:27:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: I'd tried not to get involved in this one, but... In-reply-to: <89218f4f.3561a746@aol.com> Message-ID: <895649239.1013826.0@error.demon.co.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1018 Lines: 24 > > > >Unlike AOL that restrict the creative minds of their users, but then > >again *some* of their users are so ignorant to the abilty and use > >of the internet and it's software that they wouldnt know what to do > >with it anyway. > > How the hell did you come up with that one? How do AOL restrict the creative > minds of their users? They provide what is, in the main, bloody good software, > excellent on-line services in ADDITION to the normal internet/WWW access, and > easy access from almost anywhere in the world. How can that be restrictive? Quite easily, AOL do not allow you to run software other than thier own crap, which you yourselft say the news reader isnt up to it, and i find the email software is pathetic. People usually like to organise their life and their e-mail in a manner that suits them, not in a manner that is defined by a organisation that think they know everything abut how people think and work, Which sounds like somebody else not too far away. -- Dean Liversidge From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 20 08:47:36 1998 From: Dean Liversidge To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 08:27:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Any progress? Good Question:) In-reply-to: <906290cf.3561a745@aol.com> Message-ID: <895649241.1013830.0@error.demon.co.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 343 Lines: 11 > > > >A good idea, there is still a lot that can be done with the original > >machine, hard disk would make it quicker to work on though! > > A working hard drive system has been available for a long time you know. Yep, but as yet I have not seen one that is usable in a way i want at a price that i feel reasonable. -- Dean Liversidge From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 20 08:47:36 1998 Message-ID: <008001bd83c2$57cba5a0$f03ca8c0@daves-pc.orctel.internal> From: Dave To: sam-users Subject: Re: The SAM Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 08:38:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 346 Lines: 28 > > > > LET THERE BE LIGHT! > > > > Ah, i see it now. > > Now turn to face the front. > > > -- > Dean Liversidge > Funniest thing I've heard all morning, in the words of the immortal bard: ROTFL Congratulations, you've been awarded the David Zambonini memorial award for dubious joke telling in the face of common decency. :) DMZ --- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 20 10:33:54 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <6f24e7eb.3562a277@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 05:29:26 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: INDUG and the Internet. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1366 Lines: 34 In the last year or so there have been several offers of help in producing an official INDUG, FORMAT or West Coast Computers web site. The last offer being made by Andrew at the April show (I've replied to his recent email direct). The matter has received (is receiving) very careful consideration and I have even gone as far as to look at how to possibly lay-out such a site (not page layout, more looking at the hierarchical structure). However, One thing that I would welcome feed-back on is wether the effort would be worth it. On the PC side of INDUG, yes it would be. But this is not what has been talked about recently on this list. On the Spectrum/SAM side ???? So. Two questions spring to mind. a) Who would such a site be targeted at? and b) what should such a site contain? When answering these two questions I would like people to keep in mind certain facts. 1) Only a very small percentage of Spectrum and SAM owners will have WWW access. 2) Any site would not be just Spectrum or SAM - it has to be both. I actually was thinking of making it Z80 with a bias towards our two favourite machines. 3) Information which still has a market value would not be included (in other words things like the technical manual would not go up - although the SAM manual would be a prime candidate if someone wants to OCR it). Anyone care to comment. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 20 12:07:12 1998 From: Misecka Rastislav Message-Id: <199805201057.AA18447@elf.stuba.sk> Subject: Re: Games for SimCoupe To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 12:57:07 +0100 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: from "Andrew Collier" at May 19, 98 04:44:56 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL0] Content-Type: text X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 324 Lines: 10 Thanx to Andrew Collier for help with web sites dealing with SamCoupe , I downloaded some programs, but alas! - I don't know how to load them into SimCoupe - what system dos Sam use ? CM/M perhaps ? What commands does it use ? Can anyone help ? ( You know - old Win95 user). Rastislav Misecka misecka@decef.elf.stuba.sk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 20 12:07:20 1998 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: INDUG and the Internet. References: <6f24e7eb.3562a277@aol.com> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware X-{giggle}: Lots! From: The Giggler Date: 20 May 1998 11:58:44 +0100 In-Reply-To: BrenchleyR's message of "Wed, 20 May 1998 05:29:26 EDT" Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.66/Emacs 19.34 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1032 Lines: 31 BrenchleyR writes: > So. Two questions spring to mind. a) Who would such a site be targeted at? and > b) what should such a site contain? > > When answering these two questions I would like people to keep in mind certain > facts. > > 1) Only a very small percentage of Spectrum and SAM owners will have WWW > access. Yeah, but comp.sys.sinclair seems to be busy enough ... (And before I get flamed I know that newsgroup access doesn't necessarily imply WWW access but I'd assume that a large portion who have one have the other. > 2) Any site would not be just Spectrum or SAM - it has to be both. I actually > was thinking of making it Z80 with a bias towards our two favourite > machines. Sounds like a good plan but since INDUG is primarily (Correct me if I'm wrong here ...) Speccy and SAM I think the main part should be concerned with them, but I agree we could have other stuff up there ... > Anyone care to comment. Oh I'm sure they will ;) Lee. -- Yawn And Walk North http://yawn.nocrew.org/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 20 12:07:21 1998 Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 12:59:53 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9805201059.AA08881@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: INDUG and the Internet. X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 472 Lines: 16 > However, One thing that I would welcome feed-back on is wether the effort > would be worth it. Depends on why you want to do it. If it is for profit only I'd say: forget it. > > On the PC side of INDUG, yes it would be. But this is not what has been talked > about recently on this list. > > On the Spectrum/SAM side ???? You could set up links to other Spectrum/SAM sites. There are already plenty of them. Unless, of course, you have some spare time. ;) -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 20 12:47:39 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980520114235.006fd464@pop.enterprise.net> X-Sender: markus@pop.enterprise.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 11:42:35 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Mark Hillman Subject: Re: Any progress? In-Reply-To: <19980518220131Z49421-30827+237@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> References: <62C3290357@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 717 Lines: 26 At 21:57 16/05/98 +0000, you wrote: >> In article <62C3290357@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk>, The Mad Goose >> writes >> >the SRAM card needed to be built and then the rom and >> >dos tinkered with to remove primarily rogue spellings of the word >> >disc, and also a couple of bugs. >> > >> ROFL (don't know an acronym for "just peed self") > >JPS? > >Anyway... you spell disk with a K ... but let's not get into that >again! JPML ?? Disk shortened name for Diskette HardDisk a Hard Diskette Compact Disc. It actually being a disc and everything.... Markus.... ___^. .^ @/ (_@_) \ __ / || || lePIG .sig From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 20 12:47:39 1998 Message-Id: <199805201128.MAA15606@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 12:27:51 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: The SAM In-reply-to: <6646fc42.35615ff6@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 859 Lines: 20 > I think I did. But if you missed it, I would say that a serious SAM user would > be someone who read at least one of FORMAT, FRED, SAM SUP. i was convinced that, earlier, you had said anyone who DIDN'T read FORMAT was NOT a serious sam user... so now you are changing your stance, and your story... anyhoo, i consider(ed) myself a serious sam user (way back when i actually used the thing) and i got at most 10 copies of sam sup, maybe one fred (by accident) and NEVER format. didn't like format. i also know plenty of other 'serious' sam users (at least, users who considered themselves serious enough to not use any other machine, and to dedicate their waking hours to finding out the intimate behaviour of the sam, and also using it for fun) who read none of the above magazines. does this rubbish their 'serious user' identity? hmmmm. dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 20 12:47:40 1998 Message-Id: <199805201138.MAA17808@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 12:38:09 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Games for SimCoupe In-reply-to: References: <199805191246.AA08790@elf.stuba.sk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 436 Lines: 10 > http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/sam/mnemotech.html > Homepage of the Sam's second-largest coding group. You can download various > code demos, and a game - SamMines. i went there and saw mention of a game called Terrapin (or Terrapins or something). I seem to recall a game under the same (or similar) name way back when, in the pages of Your Computer. I also seem to recall it was by a Collier. Maybe Tim Collier? Any relation? dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 20 12:53:58 1998 Message-Id: <199805201148.MAA19880@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 12:47:40 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: INDUG and the Internet. In-reply-to: <6f24e7eb.3562a277@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2143 Lines: 49 > 1) Only a very small percentage of Spectrum and SAM owners will have WWW > access. by the same token, only a very small percentage of ex-spectrum and -sam owners still either own or use their computers, whereas the proportion of ex-spectrum and -sam owners that still feel nostalgic about their machine is probably greater. it's probably just as wise to pitch the site towards current owners with WWW access as it is to pitch it towards ex owners (on nostalgia trips) who also have WWW access. and i'd be prepared to be that there are millions of such people with access to the internet. > 2) Any site would not be just Spectrum or SAM - it has to be both. I actually > was thinking of making it Z80 with a bias towards our two favourite machines. i say divide it into two sections but, obviously, cross link around a bit. it seems messy to have a 'spectrum and sam' page / subsite / whatever without dividing further. have the whole site 'Z80' with subsites devoted to the spectrum and sam; but would you bother with other subsites at all? (tatung einstein, for instance. or oric. or the jupiter ace? anything else with a z80?) > 3) Information which still has a market value would not be included (in other > words things like the technical manual would not go up - although the SAM > manual would be a prime candidate if someone wants to OCR it). this is a fair point, but it still sounds a bit lardy. i mean, how marketable is the sam these days? (ouch!) if someone has a bit of time to themselves, they could probably reproduce much of the information in the tech manual, in a better form, without infringing copyright or any of that stuff. total no-brainer - copy up the list of system vars and change the descriptions... describe the rom entry points in different words... explain the bits in the i/o ports properly... maybe even mention how the timing of instructions in the sam coupe changes with the weather... as for the disk drive controller and sound chip... public domain materials. which you could still scan directly out of the manual. > Anyone care to comment. consider me commented out. dave From imc Wed May 20 12:56:47 1998 Subject: Re: Games for SimCoupe To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 12:56:47 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <199805201138.MAA17808@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> from "Dave Hooper" at May 20, 98 12:38:09 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 436 Lines: 13 On Wed, 20 May 1998 12:38:09 +0000, Dave Hooper said: > Terrapin > I seem to recall a game under the same (or similar) > name way back when, in the pages of Your Computer. I also seem to > recall it was by a Collier. Maybe Tim Collier? Ahem. Try again... See also ftp://ftp.nvg.unit.no/pub/sinclair/snaps/games/misc/imcgames.zip and the Syncytium package for Sam. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 20 13:25:39 1998 Message-Id: <199805201210.NAA24058@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 13:09:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Games for SimCoupe In-reply-to: <199805201156.LAA02924@chalca.comlab.ox.ac.uk> References: <199805201138.MAA17808@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> from "Dave Hooper" at May 20, 98 12:38:09 pm X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 187 Lines: 8 > Ahem. Try again... > > See also ftp://ftp.nvg.unit.no/pub/sinclair/snaps/games/misc/imcgames.zip > and the Syncytium package for Sam. many apologies. didn't think it were you. dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 20 13:54:47 1998 From: Matthew Craven Organization: Umist To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 13:32:31 BST Subject: Re: INDUG and the Internet. X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.31 Message-ID: <22BE75274E1@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1316 Lines: 31 Dear All, > > 1) Only a very small percentage of Spectrum and SAM owners will have WWW > > access. I cannot believe that I'm afraid, as there were literally millions of people who owned spectrums, and a hell of a lot of them must have internet access. > > 2) Any site would not be just Spectrum or SAM - it has to be both. I actually > > was thinking of making it Z80 with a bias towards our two favourite machines. > > i say divide it into two sections but, obviously, cross link around a > bit. it seems messy to have a 'spectrum and sam' page / subsite / > whatever without dividing further. have the whole site 'Z80' with > subsites devoted to the spectrum and sam; but would you bother with > other subsites at all? (tatung einstein, for instance. or oric. or > the jupiter ace? anything else with a z80?) Didn't the Commodore 64 or Amstrad CPC have a Z80 in it? Or MSX? Or am I just talking the dog's proverbials? Who the hell owned a Tatung Einstein? > 3) Information which still has a market value would not be included (in other > words things like the technical manual would not go up - although the SAM > manual would be a prime candidate if someone wants to OCR it). Ok cool, but how many technical manuals do you sell exactly? Why not ask Mel Croucher to produce a web version? MJC. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 20 13:54:48 1998 Message-Id: <199805201243.NAA01216@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 13:42:34 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: INDUG and the Internet. In-reply-to: <22BE75274E1@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 762 Lines: 24 > I cannot believe that I'm afraid, as there were literally millions of > people who owned spectrums, and a hell of a lot of them must have > internet access. > Didn't the Commodore 64 or Amstrad CPC have a Z80 in it? Or MSX? yeh. i think amstrad did. (cbm64 certainly did not!) and msx. possibly coleco adam too. > I just talking the dog's proverbials? Who the hell owned a Tatung > Einstein? my girlfriend's dad. he's also still got a (working) vic20. > Why not ask Mel Croucher to produce a web version? of the 'manual' or of the 'technical manual' ? and i dunno how busy mr. croucher is these days, but i'm guessing a fee would be in order, and it would be far cheaper to just bang up our own version of the tech manual ourselves. dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 20 14:09:49 1998 From: Matthew Craven Organization: Umist To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 13:56:51 BST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: INDUG and the Internet. X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <22C4F2B5845@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 915 Lines: 26 > > Didn't the Commodore 64 or Amstrad CPC have a Z80 in it? Or MSX? > > yeh. i think amstrad did. (cbm64 certainly did not!) and msx. > possibly coleco adam too. I suspected the C64 didn't but wasn't sure. Was it a 6502 or something wierd like that, like the BBC Micro? > > I just talking the dog's proverbials? Who the hell owned a Tatung > > Einstein? > > my girlfriend's dad. he's also still got a (working) vic20. OK. Sorry about that :) > > Why not ask Mel Croucher to produce a web version? > of the 'manual' or of the 'technical manual' ? > and i dunno how busy mr. croucher is these days, but i'm guessing a > fee would be in order, and it would be far cheaper to just bang up > our own version of the tech manual ourselves. Of the manual of course. How do you make disk drive and sound chip circuit board schematic diagrams sound funny? But I suppose it is best to do it ourselves. MJC. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 20 14:09:50 1998 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: INDUG and the Internet. References: <199805201243.NAA01216@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware X-{giggle}: Lots! From: The Giggler Date: 20 May 1998 13:57:52 +0100 In-Reply-To: "Dave Hooper"'s message of "Wed, 20 May 1998 13:42:34 +0000" Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.66/Emacs 19.34 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 603 Lines: 19 "Dave Hooper" <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> writes: > > Why not ask Mel Croucher to produce a web version? > > of the 'manual' or of the 'technical manual' ? > and i dunno how busy mr. croucher is these days, but i'm guessing a > fee would be in order, and it would be far cheaper to just bang up > our own version of the tech manual ourselves. Plus it's not exactly the best thing to base humour on having read it myself ... I think Simon said something about possibly doing a version but he probably doesn't have the time any more ... Simon ? Lee. -- Yawn And Walk North http://yawn.nocrew.org/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 20 14:45:11 1998 Message-Id: <199805201339.OAA13171@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 14:39:01 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: INDUG and the Internet. In-reply-to: <22C4F2B5845@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 765 Lines: 25 > I suspected the C64 didn't but wasn't sure. Was it a 6502 or > something wierd like that, like the BBC Micro? yeh, probably. > > > I just talking the dog's proverbials? Who the hell owned a Tatung > > > Einstein? > > > > my girlfriend's dad. he's also still got a (working) vic20. > > OK. Sorry about that :) heh. s'alright, he'd be the first to admit it was a piece of shit! > > > Why not ask Mel Croucher to produce a web version? > Of the manual of course. How do you make disk drive and sound chip > circuit board schematic diagrams sound funny? But I suppose it is > best to do it ourselves. i'll have a go at bits over the summer, if i'm not working (and it looks like i won't be... at least, not until i start applying for jobs) dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 20 19:39:37 1998 From: Matthew Craven Organization: Umist To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 19:37:06 BST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: sam-users archive In-reply-to: <199804021200.MAA25303@chalca.comlab.ox.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.52) Message-ID: <231FA6941B2@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 406 Lines: 11 > I am pleased to announce that the sam-users archive has now been reopened. > Relive the experience of reading 16.7 megabytes of email. See how the > archive size suddenly increases in October 1996. Give yourself something > to read over Easter. > > http://ruby.comlab.ox.ac.uk/imc/sam-users/ What does .gz signify? Isn't that UNIX? What does that mean from the point of view of DOS or Win 95? MJC. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 20 19:58:39 1998 Message-Id: <199805201845.TAA21152@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Paul Walker Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 19:45:16 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: sam-users archive References: <199804021200.MAA25303@chalca.comlab.ox.ac.uk> In-reply-to: <231FA6941B2@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 453 Lines: 19 > What does .gz signify? GZip, or GNU Zip. > Isn't that UNIX? Multi-platform. > What does that mean from the point of view of DOS or Win 95? Absolutely nothing. :) Get GZIP for DOS to decompress it (and tar would probably be useful), or use WinZip for Win95. Paul -- ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ---- FidoNet: 2:254/60.11 2:442/103.13 ---> http://www.craybbs.co.uk/foti <--- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 20 20:18:38 1998 From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: The SAM Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 19:00:08 GMT Message-ID: <3567d2dd.7581891@mail.enterprise.net> References: <99875dcf.3561a744@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <99875dcf.3561a744@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1066 Lines: 30 On Tue, 19 May 1998 11:37:39 EDT, BrenchleyR wrote: Bob, >In the past I have been, with very good cause, reluctent to give publicity to >disc/paper magazines until they have proved themselves by at least getting to >issue 3 or 4. Beyond that I know of no products that have not received >publicity as soon as they were launched and we heard about them. I don't want to argue about this, but I don't remember Format ever mentioning ye olde 'SAM Adventure Club'- when it ran for over two years and 13 issues. Then there was SAM2SAM and quite a few more that ran for longer than a 'couple' or '3 or 4' issues. Those disk magazines were pretty reasonable - considering we worked for nothing. Fred were never biased towards ignoring other mags, nor was the 'Newsdisk'. Looking back, I think the best disk mag that ever appeared for SAM was Enceladus. Everyone else: Issues 10, 11, 12 & 13 of the Adventure club disks are on my web page for free download. The rest are up on NVG. Bye, _ |_)ave (/\)hitmore http://homepages.enterprise.net/davewhitmore/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 20 20:18:38 1998 Message-Id: <199805201900.UAA06516@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 20:00:15 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: sam-users archive References: <199804021200.MAA25303@chalca.comlab.ox.ac.uk> In-reply-to: <231FA6941B2@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 535 Lines: 19 > > http://ruby.comlab.ox.ac.uk/imc/sam-users/ > > What does .gz signify? Isn't that UNIX? What does that mean from the > point of view of DOS or Win 95? i used winzip 6.3 to un-gzip mnemodemo1.gz and i got this weird file which was longer than any other .dsk file i'd ever seen. a quick snip later (i removed the first 128 bytes from the file) and it worked fine in simcoupe. sam_mines.dsk worked fine as it came (needed no messin' about) weird. any ideas anyone? i have yet to try either out with sound. that's next. dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 20 20:18:49 1998 Message-Id: <199805201906.UAA07098@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 20:06:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: sam-users archive In-reply-to: <199805201900.UAA06516@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> References: <231FA6941B2@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 328 Lines: 7 > i used winzip 6.3 to un-gzip mnemodemo1.gz and i got this weird > file which was longer than any other .dsk file i'd ever seen. er, forgot to mention that this was a file i'd downloaded from the mnemotech page whose url was posted here earlier today (and not the url i casually 'cut&paste'd into the other email). oops. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 20 20:18:50 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 15:11:00 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: INDUG and the Internet. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows sub 178 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 312 Lines: 9 In a message dated 20/05/98 12:23:49, you write: > subsites devoted to the spectrum and sam; but would you bother with > other subsites at all? (tatung einstein, for instance. or oric. or > the jupiter ace? anything else with a z80?) > IIRC from when my brother had one, the Oric was 6502 based. Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 20 20:18:51 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 15:14:11 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: INDUG and the Internet. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows sub 178 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 373 Lines: 13 In a message dated 20/05/98 12:33:42, you write: > > Didn't the Commodore 64 or Amstrad CPC have a Z80 in it? Or MSX? Or am > I just talking the dog's proverbials? Who the hell owned a Tatung > Einstein? > No, the C64 was 6502, but the CPC and MSX and MTX were all Z80. We had an Einstein at one of the first places I worked at - never did get to use it. Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 20 20:52:19 1998 From: David Ledbury at To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 19:35:55 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: INDUG and the Internet. In-reply-to: Message-Id: <19980520194049Z49243-30827+773@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 802 Lines: 28 > From: BillRitman > Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 15:14:11 EDT > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Subject: Re: INDUG and the Internet. > Reply-to: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Date: Wed, 20 May 98 20:36:48 BST > In a message dated 20/05/98 12:33:42, you write: > > > > > Didn't the Commodore 64 or Amstrad CPC have a Z80 in it? Or MSX? Or am > > I just talking the dog's proverbials? Who the hell owned a Tatung > > Einstein? > > > No, the C64 was 6502, but the CPC and MSX and MTX were all Z80. 6510 actually. Although u could buy a Z80 card for it... which even had it's own CP/M! > We had an Einstein at one of the first places I worked at - never did get to > use it. Nice machine. Xrystal Basic is okay. > Bill. > David. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 20 20:52:19 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199805201906.UAA07098@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> References: <199805201900.UAA06516@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> <231FA6941B2@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 20:42:59 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: sam-users archive X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1110 Lines: 26 At 9:06 pm +0100 20/5/98, Dave Hooper wrote: >> i used winzip 6.3 to un-gzip mnemodemo1.gz and i got this weird >> file which was longer than any other .dsk file i'd ever seen. > >er, forgot to mention that this was a file i'd downloaded from the >mnemotech page whose url was posted here earlier today (and not the >url i casually 'cut&paste'd into the other email). oops. Well I think winzip must be buggy or something strange is going on, because that file definitely uncompresses to exactly 819200 bytes; I've just tested it myself. Note that MNEMOdemo 1 part 2 will crash SimCoupe's virtual Sam... Andrew -- +-----------------+----------------------------+--------------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | " | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk | Get your kicks | +-----------------+----------------------------+ on 8.124038405 | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | " | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | anon | +----------------------------------------------+--------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 20 21:06:25 1998 Message-Id: <199805201957.UAA11877@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 20:57:37 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: sam-users archive In-reply-to: References: <199805201906.UAA07098@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 201 Lines: 5 > Well I think winzip must be buggy or something strange is going on, because > that file definitely uncompresses to exactly 819200 bytes; I've just tested > it myself. hmm. i definitely get 819328 ! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 20 21:06:25 1998 Message-Id: From: Dan Doore Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 21:00:15 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: RE: The SAM MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /310000000/310102093/310102123/310460310/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 101" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 453 Lines: 20 > Websites? Have you seen them? Not much on them is there. Hmm, I'm not sure whether I should get narky over this since most of the stuff I have ever had published over six years is on my site.... :-) Just to remind: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/coupe/ and http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/coupe/webring/ For the Official (sic) Sam Coupe Webring. Dan. Work: dan@armature.com Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 21 10:15:51 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 05:07:06 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The SAM Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 366 Lines: 22 In a message dated 19/05/98 19:45:52, you write: >- > >>>I've seen Bob accused of pretending to be a couple of people - surely >>>God IS someone different, though? >>> >>>-- >>>Ian Dalziel >> >>LET THERE BE LIGHT! >> >>-- >>Bob > >Wait a minute, does this mean that all the world's problems are YOUR >fault?! No, it was that bl**dy woman's fault :) -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 21 10:15:53 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <320d8a19.3563eeb9@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 05:07:03 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The SAM Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1189 Lines: 29 In a message dated 19/05/98 16:16:12, you write: >> Most people who write do so because they want to be read. Therefore would >you >> not agree that FORMAT is the best place to have your work published? > >Depends what you're writing I suppose but the point that I was trying to >make was that despite your enthusiasm about people writing for the SAM >so that the users could learn something it only applies if they want to >have it published in Format. If for example they choose to start there >own mag or send it somewhere else you've been known to be unsupportive >at the very best ... > >Lee. Unsupportive with some justification Lee. As I've said in the past, we never gave publicity to disc based mags until they became 'established' because of the very poor servival record. You have to understand that as a user group as well as a magazine we do have to be careful. A mention in FORMAT could be taken as a recommendation which could lead to unhappy members. Even more so with paper based mags - I don't know of many magazines that will promote their opposition, many even ban advertising from them (which I don't by the way). Hope this helps you understand things. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 21 10:16:09 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <3611d199.3563eeba@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 05:07:05 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: I'd tried not to get involved in this one, but... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1229 Lines: 38 In a message dated 19/05/98 16:16:14, you write: >BrenchleyR writes: > >> In a message dated 19/05/98 00:09:52, you write: >> >> How the hell did you come up with that one? How do AOL restrict the >creative >> minds of their users? They provide what is, in the main, bloody good >software, > >But it is restrictive compared to a lot of _better_ alternatives, just >because it does everything you want it to do doesn't mean that it does >everything that everyone wants. From admittedly brief experience of AOL >software it is nowhere near as versatile as I would like and indeed as >the mail program I use is. Example 1 when replying the mail software >always puts > >on blah de blah blah *YOU* write: > >which for the amount of mailing to lists I do would be completely >unacceptable. My reader will let me put whatever text I want there. A good point, and one which I hope AOL will address in the next version. However, you must admit that mailing lists for such a small proportion of emails in the world at large that it is a small oversight. > >> easy access from almost anywhere in the world. How can that be restrictive? > >See above Sorry Lee, but I don't see what you mean. > >Lee. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 21 10:16:09 1998 From: Matthew Craven Organization: Umist To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 10:07:50 BST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: sam-users archive In-reply-to: <199805201845.TAA21152@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> References: <231FA6941B2@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.52) Message-ID: <2407E480390@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 238 Lines: 8 > > What does that mean from the point of view of DOS or Win 95? > > Absolutely nothing. :) Get GZIP for DOS to decompress it (and tar > would probably be useful), or use WinZip for Win95. How do I get GZIP? What is Tar? Targa? MJC. From imc Thu May 21 11:22:24 1998 Subject: Re: sam-users archive To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 11:22:24 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <199805201845.TAA21152@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> from "Paul Walker" at May 20, 98 07:45:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 690 Lines: 17 On Wed, 20 May 1998 19:45:16 +0000, Paul Walker said: [about gzip] > Get GZIP for DOS to decompress it (and tar > would probably be useful), or use WinZip for Win95. Incidentally the Unix versions of Netscape will automatically decompress *.gz files if you try to view them normally, and I very much suspect the other versions of Netscape will do the same. The source for gzip is available at http://src.doc.ic.ac.uk/gnu/gzip-1.2.4.tar and you can also get a ready-made executable for MSDOS at http://src.doc.ic.ac.uk/gnu/gzip-1.2.4.msdos.exe . Use "gzip -d" to decompress. Use "gzip -dc" to decompress to standard output, leaving the original file alone. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 21 11:51:58 1998 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: The SAM References: <320d8a19.3563eeb9@aol.com> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware X-{giggle}: Lots! From: The Giggler Date: 21 May 1998 11:43:41 +0100 In-Reply-To: BrenchleyR's message of "Thu, 21 May 1998 05:07:03 EDT" Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.66/Emacs 19.34 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 655 Lines: 18 BrenchleyR writes: > In a message dated 19/05/98 16:16:12, you write: > > Unsupportive with some justification Lee. As I've said in the past, we never > gave publicity to disc based mags until they became 'established' because of > the very poor servival record. I wasn't talking about publicity issues more the way you attempted to dissuade a member of the list from starting his own mag suggesting (In rather offensive terms if I remember ...) that he'd be better off writing it for Format despite the persons insistance that he wanted to do something new and different ... Lee. -- Yawn And Walk North http://yawn.nocrew.org/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 21 11:51:58 1998 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: I'd tried not to get involved in this one, but... References: <3611d199.3563eeba@aol.com> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware X-{giggle}: Lots! From: The Giggler Date: 21 May 1998 11:47:29 +0100 In-Reply-To: BrenchleyR's message of "Thu, 21 May 1998 05:07:05 EDT" Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.66/Emacs 19.34 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 970 Lines: 33 BrenchleyR writes: > In a message dated 19/05/98 16:16:14, you write: > > A good point, and one which I hope AOL will address in the next version. > However, you must admit that mailing lists for such a small proportion of > emails in the world at large that it is a small oversight. Yes, but not for me personally, this mornings mail count read as follows ... You've got new mail from ... [snipped] 1, personal messages. [snipped] 39, mailing-list messages. and I know a lot of people who have similar ratios. My point being that my mail/news software lets me do things the way _I_ want, not the way that the author thought most people would want it done ... > >> easy access from almost anywhere in the world. How can that be restrictive? > > > >See above > > Sorry Lee, but I don't see what you mean. The software is restrictive because it forces you to work in a certain way. Lee. -- Yawn And Walk North http://yawn.nocrew.org/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 21 18:10:15 1998 From: Maria Rookyard To: sam-users Subject: Re: The SAM Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 16:38:11 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 458 Lines: 30 > >>>I've seen Bob accused of pretending to be a couple of people - surely > >>>God IS someone different, though? > >>> > >>>-- > >>>Ian Dalziel > >> > >>LET THERE BE LIGHT! > >> > >>-- > >>Bob > > > >Wait a minute, does this mean that all the world's problems are YOUR > >fault?! > > No, it was that bl**dy woman's fault :) > > -- > Bob. Hang on a minute - how come I *always* get the blame round here when something goes wrong?? ;-( Maria. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 21 18:33:58 1998 Message-Id: <199805211729.SAA10526@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 18:29:04 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: sam-users archive References: <199805201845.TAA21152@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> In-reply-to: <2407E480390@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1035 Lines: 26 > How do I get GZIP? What is Tar? Targa? As an alternative to using GZIP, you could do worse than WinZip (latest v6.3) or, my personal favourite, ZipMagic. Tar is just a kinda of archived file (think it stands for Tape ARchive)... just think of it as a zip file in sheep's clothing (without any compression). A lot of files get converted into a TAR file, and then compressed through GZIP, so you'll often find files with names such as BillyColony.tar.gz You can get a DOS port of the TAR program from www.delorie.com but i forget where exactly... they'll also have it on ftp at simtel.coast.net under vendors/djgpp/v2gnu (i think... could be v2apps or v2misc instead) In my experience, (at least, from the versions of netscape i've used) it sortof barfs on gzipped files and saves the wrong stuff (at the worst of times) or gives it the wrong filename (at the best of times). I'd prefer to save the .gz file from the web browser and then unzipp it externally (ie, from the command line or using a seperate app) dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 21 19:18:18 1998 From: Simon Cooke To: sam-users Subject: RE: The SAM Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 14:06:30 -0400 Message-ID: <001501bd84e3$2e31cc20$7960accf@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: <199805192229.XAA24599@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 655 Lines: 22 > > I think I did. But if you missed it, I would say that a serious > SAM user would > > be someone who read at least one of FORMAT, FRED, SAM SUP. > > I haven't seen Sam Supplement, but Fred and Format don't really do > anything or run anything that would count as especially "serious", in > that sense. Serious in the sense of not playing games, yes, Format > covers that, but the level of technical detail is in the main very > low. Look at the issues of BOAI that were released to see how it > should be done. *blushes* Why thankyou! :) Martin, Maria, Dave Z, Stefan, please take a bow! Simon (if I missed anyone out, I humbly apologise) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 22 00:50:01 1998 Message-Id: <3564BC89.C468FCC3@cableol.co.uk> Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 00:45:13 +0100 From: Gavin Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: The SAM References: <320d8a19.3563eeb9@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 802 Lines: 22 The Giggler wrote: > I wasn't talking about publicity issues more the way you attempted to > dissuade a member of the list from starting his own mag suggesting (In > rather offensive terms if I remember ...) that he'd be better off > writing it for Format despite the persons insistance that he wanted to > do something new and different ... > > Lee. > -- > Yawn And Walk North > http://yawn.nocrew.org/ And I'd just like to add that his childish name calling and hate mail, did nothing to put me off doing the mag. The reasons may become clear quite soon. -- * Gavin Smith - ICQ:5099913 Email:gavin.smith@cableol.co.uk * * IRC Undernet's #TheLocal, #SAM-Users as SparkY or SparkYY * * http://www.shudehill.demon.co.uk/thelocal * * Apple Mac, SAM Coupe, Spectrum supporter * From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 22 10:08:02 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <28ffe1dc.35653e70@aol.com> Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 04:59:27 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: INDUG and the Internet. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1771 Lines: 49 In a message dated 20/05/98 12:33:42, you write: >Dear All, > >> > 1) Only a very small percentage of Spectrum and SAM owners will >have WWW > > access. > >I cannot believe that I'm afraid, as there were literally millions of >people who owned spectrums, and a hell of a lot of them must have >internet access. My comment refered to current Spectrum users (taking the straw poll of FORMAT readers as a basis). True, there were millions of Spectrum sold, and I guess that means there are at least a million ex-spectrum owners on the net. But I think it would be a small minority that and Spectrum/SAM site would appeal to. > >> > 2) Any site would not be just Spectrum or SAM - it has to be both. I >actually >> > was thinking of making it Z80 with a bias towards our two favourite >machines. >> >> i say divide it into two sections but, obviously, cross link around a >> bit. it seems messy to have a 'spectrum and sam' page / subsite / >> whatever without dividing further. have the whole site 'Z80' with >> subsites devoted to the spectrum and sam; but would you bother with >> other subsites at all? (tatung einstein, for instance. or oric. or >> the jupiter ace? anything else with a z80?) > >Didn't the Commodore 64 or Amstrad CPC have a Z80 in it? Or MSX? Or am >I just talking the dog's proverbials? Who the hell owned a Tatung >Einstein? > >> 3) Information which still has a market value would not be included (in >other >> words things like the technical manual would not go up - although the SAM >> manual would be a prime candidate if someone wants to OCR it). > >Ok cool, but how many technical manuals do you sell exactly? That information is, of course, confidental. >Why not ask Mel Croucher to produce a web version? > >MJC. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 22 10:08:03 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <2f1583fb.35653e6f@aol.com> Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 04:59:26 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: INDUG and the Internet. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1565 Lines: 42 In a message dated 20/05/98 12:23:49, you write: >> 1) Only a very small percentage of Spectrum and SAM owners will have WWW >> access. > >by the same token, only a very small percentage of ex-spectrum and >-sam owners still either own or use their computers, whereas the >proportion of ex-spectrum and -sam owners that still feel nostalgic >about their machine is probably greater. A true point, and with the advent of SimCoupe I think it may be possible to encourage more ex-SAM-users back to the fold. But that in itself would not justify the work involved on a web site. > >it's probably just as wise to pitch the site towards current owners >with WWW access as it is to pitch it towards ex owners (on nostalgia >trips) who also have WWW access. > >and i'd be prepared to be that there are millions of such people with >access to the internet. > >> 2) Any site would not be just Spectrum or SAM - it has to be both. I >actually >> was thinking of making it Z80 with a bias towards our two favourite >machines. > >i say divide it into two sections but, obviously, cross link around a >bit. it seems messy to have a 'spectrum and sam' page / subsite / >whatever without dividing further. have the whole site 'Z80' with >subsites devoted to the spectrum and sam; but would you bother with >other subsites at all? (tatung einstein, for instance. or oric. or >the jupiter ace? anything else with a z80?) Oh yes, in time I think others should be covered (but not the 'orrible Oric, that was 6502). [snip] >consider me commented out. > >dave -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 22 10:08:04 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 04:59:24 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: INDUG and the Internet. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1312 Lines: 36 In a message dated 20/05/98 11:06:43, you write: [snip] > >Yeah, but comp.sys.sinclair seems to be busy enough ... (And before I >get flamed I know that newsgroup access doesn't necessarily imply WWW >access but I'd assume that a large portion who have one have the other. It may be busy, but just a few weeks ago there was a big debate which led me to the conclusion that most CSS people are not using Spectrums or SAMs. > >> 2) Any site would not be just Spectrum or SAM - it has to be both. I >actually >> was thinking of making it Z80 with a bias towards our two favourite >> machines. > >Sounds like a good plan but since INDUG is primarily (Correct me if I'm >wrong here ...) Speccy and SAM I think the main part should be concerned >with them, but I agree we could have other stuff up there ... Over the next year I see the PC side of INDUG growing far in excess of the Spectrum/SAM side. However, there is already so much PC coverage that it would be daft to waste to much space on that in any INDUG web site. If (and it is still a big if) a site was to be started I would like the technical side to cover the Z80 processor, then pages for Spectrum and SAM and possibly Z88. Other Z80 based computers could be added later. > >> Anyone care to comment. > >Oh I'm sure they will ;) > >Lee. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 22 10:08:05 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <603b9a5c.35653e71@aol.com> Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 04:59:28 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: INDUG and the Internet. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 626 Lines: 22 In a message dated 20/05/98 19:19:58, you write: >In a message dated 20/05/98 12:33:42, you write: > >> >> Didn't the Commodore 64 or Amstrad CPC have a Z80 in it? Or MSX? Or am >> I just talking the dog's proverbials? Who the hell owned a Tatung >> Einstein? >> >No, the C64 was 6502, but the CPC and MSX and MTX were all Z80. > >We had an Einstein at one of the first places I worked at - never did get to >use it. > >Bill. My Einstein was donated to the local school when I just did not have room to keep it. The computer science teacher was over the moon as, until then, he had been stuck with BBCs. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 22 10:42:19 1998 Message-ID: <005801bd8565$28e48d20$f03ca8c0@daves-pc.orctel.internal> From: Dave To: sam-users Subject: Re: INDUG and the Internet. Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 10:36:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 407 Lines: 21 >> Ok cool, but how many technical manuals do you sell exactly? > That information is, of course, confidental. Brilliant, Bob. Just as a matter of interest, have you got _any_ rights to _anything_? Before you answer, I currently do work for Companies House, and it's amazing what I can and have found out - not that I can disclose any of it. As you say, some information is confidential. DMZ --- From imc Fri May 22 11:06:56 1998 Subject: Re: INDUG and the Internet. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 11:06:56 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <28ffe1dc.35653e70@aol.com> from "BrenchleyR" at May 22, 98 04:59:27 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 425 Lines: 13 On Fri, 22 May 1998 04:59:27 EDT, BrenchleyR said: > >Ok cool, but how many technical manuals do you sell exactly? > That information is, of course, confidental. Why "of course"? What is confidential about it? (Or is it that you only sell half a dozen per year and don't want to destroy your argument against putting it on the web?) It's not as if there are any competitors who would benefit from the information. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 22 11:26:18 1998 Message-Id: <199805221020.LAA02134@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: Dave Hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 11:20:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: INDUG and the Internet. In-reply-to: <199805221006.KAA06358@chalca.comlab.ox.ac.uk> References: <28ffe1dc.35653e70@aol.com> from "BrenchleyR" at May 22, 98 04:59:27 am X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 895 Lines: 22 > It's not as if there are any competitors who would benefit from the > information. ah! but the best way to milk the dwindling sam market for all it is worth is to advertise a product, not let on to anyone how many you are selling / have sold, and also not release it into the public domain. presumably (and fair enough) bob is trying to get 'any money he can' from interested sam users. it's his right. i still think the world would benefit from having the tech manual and other such sam specs in the public domain. if we can't USE the tech manual, we'll just (not so blatantly) plagiarise it a bit, i suppose. are software / hardware *SPECIFICATIONS* actually copyrightable? i expect they are not, so there would be no problem in ripping out the content of the tech manual and putting it up on the internet, without actually copying any of the wording used in the manual. dave