From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jun 14 16:15:32 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: POSTMASTER From: Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <80256623.00536A6A.00@horus.postmaster.net.uk> Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 16:11:09 +0100 Subject: Re: A Brief(ish) Statement. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 838 Lines: 37 | On Sun, 14 Jun 1998 11:17:34 +0100, Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk wrote: | | | >| >> I understand that the pages have now been removed. | >| >But some of us have the pages stored on local drives..... | >| | >| | >| In that case could you send me a copy as I would love to see what all | >| the fuss is about. :) | >| _ | >| |_)avid (\/)unden | > | >Incitement to cause another person to breach the law is, in itself, a | >criminal | >offence David ;-) | | Anonymous people who preach, are, in themselves, fucking pains in the | arse. | | | Bye, | _ | |_)ave | (/\)hitmore http://homepages.enterprise.net/davewhitmore/ As are people who resort to language like that. -- Samsboss - The One And Only. Accept No Others. ___________________________________ To sign up for a free email account, visit http://www.postmaster.co.uk. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jun 14 16:27:12 1998 Message-ID: <3583EA6C.8D884D33@purple.dircon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 16:21:16 +0100 From: Gavin Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: A Brief(ish) Statement. References: <80256623.00536A6A.00@horus.postmaster.net.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 813 Lines: 22 Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk wrote: > | Anonymous people who preach, are, in themselves, fucking pains in the > | arse. > | > | > | Bye, > | _ > | |_)ave > | (/\)hitmore http://homepages.enterprise.net/davewhitmore/ > > As are people who resort to language like that. Says you, the person who grabs email addresses of this list, and effectively spams them with lies, abuse and continual swearing. You know, this list has been interesting lately - we've actually talked about SAM stuff, and I've enjoyed learning more. But then you go and raise your ugly head and start a fight AGAIN. Take a hint, go away. * Gavin Smith - ICQ:5099913 Email:gavin.smith@purple.dircon.co.uk * * IRC Undernet's #TheLocal, #SAM-Community as SparkY or SparkYY * * http://www.purple.dircon.co.uk/samcom * From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jun 14 17:14:40 1998 From: David Ledbury at To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 16:00:17 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: A Brief(ish) Statement. In-reply-to: <80256623.0038891B.00@horus.postmaster.net.uk> Message-Id: <19980614160652Z49397-269+724@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 383 Lines: 14 > From: Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 11:17:34 +0100 > Subject: Re: A Brief(ish) Statement. > Reply-to: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Date: Sun, 14 Jun 98 17:02:46 BST > Incitement to cause another person to breach the law is, in itself, a > criminal > offence David ;-) > Yaaawwwnnn! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jun 14 18:48:09 1998 Message-Id: <199806141744.SAA19502@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: dave hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 18:44:34 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: A Brief(ish) Statement. References: <80256623.0038891B.00@horus.postmaster.net.uk> In-reply-to: <19980614160652Z49397-269+724@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 307 Lines: 10 > From: Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 11:17:34 +0100 > Subject: Re: A Brief(ish) Statement. > Reply-to: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Date: Sun, 14 Jun 98 17:02:46 BST blah blah blah children blah blah blah byeee From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jun 14 21:27:45 1998 From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: CD - (was Re: A Brief(ish) Statement) Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 20:15:31 GMT Message-ID: <3584229b.19453515@mail.enterprise.net> References: <80256623.00536A6A.00@horus.postmaster.net.uk> In-Reply-To: <80256623.00536A6A.00@horus.postmaster.net.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2595 Lines: 58 On Sun, 14 Jun 1998 16:11:09 +0100, Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk wrote: >| >Incitement to cause another person to breach the law is, in itself, a >| >criminal >| >offence David ;-) >| >| Anonymous people who preach, are, in themselves, fucking pains in the >| arse. >As are people who resort to language like that. Oh god, yawn, groan, moan. I didn't put a smiley on it. Sorry SB, I was in a bad mood - due to nicotine withdrawal, a sad condition that I wouldn't recommend to anyone. It looks like we might have to put up with you while the students are away. And stuff the football, I'm just not interested! :) However, let's get back on topic. Is there anyone who would be interested in helping to compile a CD ROM of public domain SAM material? Help can include donations and permissions to use the said material, as well as advice and discussion on presentation. A major question on the subject might be - is it really worth it? For starters, it would use SIM Coupe in its different formats (Unix, DOS & Mac - if permission was granted) and it would also be good to include the various web pages and/or html for navigation purposes. DSK images can be optionally squirted onto real SAM disks and all sorts of other stuff. Another question would need to be addressed to whoever is in charge of Fred (are you still the overall boss Colin?). Colin once gave me permission to include Fred material on Dalmation BBS - so long as no editorial content was used. We didn't really do too much of that because it was felt that plundering the Fred archives and seperating the various demos from the context of a magazine would spoil things. So in the end, because all the best things appeared on Fred (or Endeladus - also owned by Fred), there wasn't really a great deal of things we could include. I suppose there might be arguments for and against an official Fred CD being released. The owners of any work might object to it being immortalized for all sorts of reasons. I think the reality behind the idea of a CD compilation is that it would preserve some of the history of the SAM and its scene. Floppy disks eventually fail due to the fragility of the media, while compact discs have a long life-span (70 years has been quoted as an average for gold discs, while the commercial silver discs are only estimated as having a life of 25 years!). It's just an idea. I know a few people might kick off and say its a non-starter, but at least it's an idea. I might just do it for myself. Who else is interested? Bye, _ |_)ave (/\)hitmore http://homepages.enterprise.net/davewhitmore/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jun 14 21:51:55 1998 From: Samsboss@Postmaster.co.uk (Samsboss) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: CD Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 20:45:55 GMT Organization: Brotherhood of man. Message-ID: <3584362f.4286511@mail.clara.net> X-Mailer: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 3829 Lines: 88 On Sunday the Fourteenth day of June in the Year Of Our Lord Nineteen Hundred and Ninty Eight - In a fit of sanity Dave Whitmore did write: On Sun, 14 Jun 1998 16:11:09 +0100, Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk wrote: > >| >Incitement to cause another person to breach the law is, in itself, a > >| >criminal > >| >offence David ;-) > >| > >| Anonymous people who preach, are, in themselves, fucking pains in the > >| arse. > >As are people who resort to language like that. > Oh god, yawn, groan, moan. I didn't put a smiley on it. Sorry SB, I > was in a bad mood - due to nicotine withdrawal, a sad condition that > I wouldn't recommend to anyone. It looks like we might have to put up > with you while the students are away. And stuff the football, I'm just > not interested! :) Not been through it myself, but I have been around others that have. My deepest sympathy to those around you at this time :) Chin up, they say the first two years are the worst. And yes, it is quite. I just happen to be pulling an all-week-ender in the office so this is the first time for weeks that I've been able to post much - although it has been interesting reading :) > However, let's get back on topic. Is there anyone who would be > interested in helping to compile a CD ROM of public domain SAM > material? Help can include donations and permissions to use the said > material, as well as advice and discussion on presentation. A major > question on the subject might be - is it really worth it? I think you will find that Colin has already done it, well with all the FRED stuff and everything he could lay his hands on. Did it before he skipped off to the US of A last year so that his past was protected. He had the CD at the Gloucester show before he went and I seem to remember Bob having one as well. > For starters, it would use SIM Coupe in its different formats (Unix, > DOS & Mac - if permission was granted) and it would also be good to > include the various web pages and/or html for navigation purposes. DSK > images can be optionally squirted onto real SAM disks and all sorts of > other stuff. > Another question would need to be addressed to whoever is in charge of > Fred (are you still the overall boss Colin?). Colin once gave me > permission to include Fred material on Dalmation BBS - so long as no > editorial content was used. We didn't really do too much of that > because it was felt that plundering the Fred archives and seperating > the various demos from the context of a magazine would spoil things. > So in the end, because all the best things appeared on Fred (or > Endeladus - also owned by Fred), there wasn't really a great deal of > things we could include. I suppose there might be arguments for and > against an official Fred CD being released. The owners of any work > might object to it being immortalized for all sorts of reasons. Don't forget Outlet, the Sam version of that is also in FRED's hands now. > I think the reality behind the idea of a CD compilation is that it > would preserve some of the history of the SAM and its scene. Floppy > disks eventually fail due to the fragility of the media, while compact > discs have a long life-span (70 years has been quoted as an average > for gold discs, while the commercial silver discs are only estimated > as having a life of 25 years!). I don't know, never see the life of a CD quoted. But it must be better than floppy anyday. > It's just an idea. I know a few people might kick off and say its a > non-starter, but at least it's an idea. I might just do it for myself. > Who else is interested? So far I must admit I have not played with SimCoupe very much, so I don't know what the interest would be. > Bye, _ > |_)ave > (/\)hitmore http://homepages.enterprise.net/davewhitmore/ -- SamsBoss. The One And Only. Accept No Others. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jun 14 23:10:18 1998 From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: CD Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 21:59:16 GMT Message-ID: <35844097.27130188@mail.enterprise.net> References: <3584362f.4286511@mail.clara.net> In-Reply-To: <3584362f.4286511@mail.clara.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 3480 Lines: 79 On Sun, 14 Jun 1998 20:45:55 GMT, Samsboss wrote: >> Oh god, yawn, groan, moan. I didn't put a smiley on it. Sorry SB, I >> was in a bad mood - due to nicotine withdrawal, a sad condition that >Not been through it myself, but I have been around others that have. >My deepest sympathy to those around you at this time :) Chin up, they >say the first two years are the worst. I've done it all before and the first time I quit I lasted 3 years. I only lasted about 8 hours this time though. :( >And yes, it is quite. I just happen to be pulling an all-week-ender in >the office so this is the first time for weeks that I've been able to >post much - although it has been interesting reading :) Oh, yeah, I never thought about that, the SAM Users archive could be included on the CD. That'd be interesting for people who've not got onto the net yet - or can't be bothered downloading it from the site. >> However, let's get back on topic. Is there anyone who would be >> interested in helping to compile a CD ROM of public domain SAM >> material? Help can include donations and permissions to use the said >> material, as well as advice and discussion on presentation. A major >> question on the subject might be - is it really worth it? > >I think you will find that Colin has already done it, well with all >the FRED stuff and everything he could lay his hands on. Did it before >he skipped off to the US of A last year so that his past was >protected. He had the CD at the Gloucester show before he went and I >seem to remember Bob having one as well. Well this was kept very quiet, and the fact remains that is isn't available to us ordinary worthless scumbag peasants. :) Oh dear, I've just had a horrible thought. I wonder if any of the Adventure club or other material was included without permission? :) >Don't forget Outlet, the Sam version of that is also in FRED's hands >now. Yes, I knew about that. There are also all the other magazines not owned by Fred - too many to mention. I've more or less been permission to distribute or put SAM2SAM up for grabs at a site - by Johnna (but he's only one of the team behind it). I don't know if Dave Tonks would be interested in letting any of his magazines be included, and I'd understand Malcolm MacKenzie not wanting any of Blitz to go on it because it's relatively new. I think if people could say anything up to such-a-date, or perhaps use older issues as trailers for the newer ones. >> It's just an idea. I know a few people might kick off and say its a >> non-starter, but at least it's an idea. I might just do it for myself. >> Who else is interested? > >So far I must admit I have not played with SimCoupe very much, so I >don't know what the interest would be. SIM Coupe is quite good, and it runs well from CD. Non-SAM people who are curious enough to pick it up from the various distribution points are often disappointed to find nothing to use with it; or they can't get it to work because of the lack of a document outlining fundamental SAMDOS usage. They bin it. The interest would probably be a lot wider than existing SAM users or those who've put them away and forgotten about them. For a change, it'd be promoting (I'm not sure if that's the right word here) the world of SAM outside existing users. The introspective attitude of people who profess to love SAM has done a heluvva lot of damage over the years. Bye, _ |_)ave (/\)hitmore http://homepages.enterprise.net/davewhitmore/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jun 14 23:56:43 1998 From: PGLOVER43 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 18:49:30 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: CD Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 168 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 868 Lines: 17 What a good idea! It'b be great to have CD featuring SIMCOUPE and loads of PD SAM material to show off to other computer users. Any of my miserable SAM output (Adventure Club waffle, graphics for adventures, etc. unless being currently sold) is free and genuine PD as far as I'm concerned. One good bit of PD software that I was involved with was a disk for converting Amstrad Notepad text files to SAM text files, and vice versa. This has been improved so that it'll convert PC text files to SAM text files, etc. Cliff Jackson did all the hard programming work, and I did the loader screen and some notes for it. Even if I say so myself, it was a great bit of software, and very useful to me. (Well, I do own a SAM and an Amstrad NC100 Notepad!) Currently available from our mutual friend Derek Morgan, and free in a SAM SUPPLEMENT issue, I think. - Phil Glover From imc Mon Jun 15 01:51:45 1998 Subject: Re: CD In-Reply-To: <35844097.27130188@mail.enterprise.net> from Dave at "Jun 14, 98 09:59:16 pm" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 01:51:45 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 361 Lines: 9 On Sun, 14 Jun 1998 21:59:16 GMT, Dave said: > Oh, yeah, I never thought about that, the SAM Users archive could be > included on the CD. That'd be interesting for people who've not got > onto the net yet - or can't be bothered downloading it from the site. The whole thing is about 40MB uncompressed so there's still plenty of room for other stuff. :-) imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 15 08:11:32 1998 From: David Ledbury at To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 06:53:29 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: CD In-reply-to: <199806150051.BAA23340@ruby.comlab> References: <35844097.27130188@mail.enterprise.net> from Dave at "Jun 14, 98 09:59:16 pm" Message-Id: <19980615070003Z49257-17118+39@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 676 Lines: 21 > From: Ian Collier > Subject: Re: CD > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 01:51:45 +0100 (BST) > Reply-to: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Date: Mon, 15 Jun 98 07:58:02 BST > On Sun, 14 Jun 1998 21:59:16 GMT, Dave said: > > Oh, yeah, I never thought about that, the SAM Users archive could be > > included on the CD. That'd be interesting for people who've not got > > onto the net yet - or can't be bothered downloading it from the site. > > The whole thing is about 40MB uncompressed so there's still plenty of > room for other stuff. :-) > > imc What is the URL for the archive? David From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 15 08:49:13 1998 Message-Id: From: Dan Doore Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 19:08:27 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Fred Magazine Files MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /310000000/310102093/310102123/310460310/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 101" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 237 Lines: 8 This is mainly for Simon really, but it there an easy way to decompress the Fred Magazine text files (.mag & .dcp) and rip the text out? Dan. Work: dan@armature.com Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 15 08:56:12 1998 From: Simon Cooke To: sam-users Subject: RE: Fred Magazine Files Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 03:46:59 -0400 Message-ID: <000301bd9831$c72d5be0$cc6faccf@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 348 Lines: 13 > This is mainly for Simon really, but it there an easy way to decompress > the Fred Magazine text files (.mag & .dcp) and rip the text out? > > Dan. Through the magic of modern technology, I'd like to redirect this question to Paul Walker :) (he wrote a program to do it, after I put the specs for the compressor/decompressor online) Ta, Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 15 08:56:12 1998 Message-Id: From: Dan Doore Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 8:45:25 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: RE: SD or not to SD MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /310000000/310102093/310102123/310460310/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 101" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 348 Lines: 16 > Edwins' got quite a few gig working with it... 8 is it Edwin? 8 GIG? That's just rude. I may have to purchase one of these Atom Heart Mothers..... Also, does BDOS work under SimCoupe and are there any plans to emulate the Atom in Simcoupe? Dan. Work: dan@armature.com Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 15 10:17:23 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <80256624.00301318.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:16:35 +0100 Subject: MIDI in at last! (Was: Is "MIDI In" bit on 249 stuck?) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 2552 Lines: 53 Ian Collier gave some rather intereting advice: >Don't do it! I had a play last night (that was the second time yesterday I >typed some code into a spectrum emulator) and as far as I could tell the >thing worked. The only thing is... apparently the interrupt is generated >before the MIDI byte is available. The routine which worked was along the >following lines. [snipped the code segment] Well, Ian. I went home on Friday with that email printed out thinking "What can this ISR fix that mine couldn't? What is so different?" And to be honest, I didn't have much faith it in. But, what the hell, I stuck it into my source file and pressed "assemble". Ran it - pressed one keuy on the keyboard - ok so far - another key - still worked - lots more keys - STILL WORKED!!!!! WHOA!!! :) Showed my non-SAM-owning mate the little blue screen with various dots on the left hand of the screen (notes upside down aswell) and he was generally impressed. Made me laugh when he couldn't play the music properly coz he was concentrating on the screen rather than the keys. (Which was good, because he's a much better player than me!) I developed it over the weekend and it's looking rather sexy now! Unfortunately, it's filled (practically) the whole screen so I won't be needing Dave Hooper's graphic skills :( The bits I did for the screen layout look quite good as it is... So far, it has 16 vertical bars that show the notes. The length and colour gradiation (you really need to see it to understand what I mean) indicate how hard the key was hit. Underneath the 16 bars are 16 little sections with numbers that (will) say what MIDI voice it is using. (Unfortuanely, unless the keyboard sends out that information, MIDI-Bar will just keep it blank). Above the 16 bars, there is a pitch indicator. Unfortunately, my keyboard doesn't have a pitch wheel so I might take out those indicators in the first release and put them in when I write MIDI-Bark (the SAM Sequencer (and SMF, in the future) player). I'll stick it onto NVG in a week or three depending on when I finish it off. BTW, I'll be using the BCD version of the int to ascii since I won't be using SAM's printing routines (unless it can graphically print fonts (3 characters in a 6x12 box - easier to use a variation of Simon's butterfly(?) printing routine (if that's okay with him)) Again, thanks, guys, for helping me out... At least it's not been just bickering on the list over the last week. It's restored my faith in the SAM community. :) (And that can only be good news) Justin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 15 10:51:46 1998 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: A Brief(ish) Statement. References: <80256623.0038891B.00@horus.postmaster.net.uk> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware X-{giggle}: Lots! From: The Giggler Date: 15 Jun 1998 10:42:27 +0100 In-Reply-To: Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk's message of "Sun, 14 Jun 1998 11:17:34 +0100" Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.66/Emacs 19.34 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 492 Lines: 18 Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk writes: > | >> I understand that the pages have now been removed. > | >But some of us have the pages stored on local drives..... > | > | In that case could you send me a copy as I would love to see what all > | the fuss is about. :) > > Incitement to cause another person to breach the law is, in itself, a > criminal > offence David ;-) And how exactly would I be breaching the law by sending him a copy ... Lee. -- Yawn And Walk North http://yawn.nocrew.org/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 15 10:51:48 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <80256624.0035C42B.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:54:23 +0100 Subject: Best SAM painting package? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 251 Lines: 11 OK, It wasn't until I got all my artistic talent together and drew the main screen for MIDI-Bar that I realised how slow and tediously pathetic Flash! was... Is there a decent art package out there? Which one is best? How much? Where from? Justin From imc Mon Jun 15 10:52:48 1998 Subject: Re: MIDI in at last! In-Reply-To: <80256624.00301318.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> from "Justin_Skists@case.co.uk" at "Jun 15, 98 10:16:35 am" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:52:48 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 1404 Lines: 30 On Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:16:35 +0100, Justin_Skists@case.co.uk proclaimed with exceeding great joy: > But, what the hell, I stuck it into my source file and pressed "assemble". > Ran it - pressed one keuy on the keyboard - ok so far - another key - still > worked - lots more keys - STILL WORKED!!!!! WHOA!!! :) Hurrah. :-) But before that, he wondered: > I went home on Friday with that email printed out thinking "What can this > ISR fix that mine couldn't? What is so different?" I told you what was different. It seems that the interrupt sometimes arrives before the byte, so if you wait for the interrupt to be deactivated before you collect the byte then you'll get it right; if you don't then you might end up getting a copy of the previous byte instead. So. The MIDI hardware works after all, even if it is a bit quirky. I knew it did, really, since I have been using MIDI to transfer files between the +3 and the Sam for ages. I also have a program which can download data blocks from a keyboard, or store and play back tunes. (Actually it seems I don't have that after all; Andrew must have the only copy.) For the +3 I have a program which lets you play music in which you can then edit in normal musical notation on the screen before saving it for conversion into PLAY instructions. I was in the distant past intending to write a Sam version of same but it never came to pass. imc From imc Mon Jun 15 10:55:00 1998 Subject: Re: Best SAM painting package? In-Reply-To: <80256624.0035C42B.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> from "Justin_Skists@case.co.uk" at "Jun 15, 98 10:54:23 am" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:55:00 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 329 Lines: 9 On Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:54:23 +0100, Justin_Skists@case.co.uk said: > I realised how slow and tediously pathetic Flash! was... > Is there a decent art package out there? Which one is best? I have never used any artistic package for the Sam but they tell me that Sam Paint is the mutt's nuts, as it were. imc From imc Mon Jun 15 10:57:45 1998 Subject: Re: A Brief(ish) Statement. In-Reply-To: from The Giggler at "Jun 15, 98 10:42:27 am" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:57:45 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 608 Lines: 13 On 15 Jun 1998 10:42:27 +0100, The Giggler said: > And how exactly would I be breaching the law by sending him a copy ... ^^^^ Presumably the bits of it which are extracts from Bob's emails are copyright and therefore making a copy is illegal. And perhaps the bits which Andrew wrote are as well, though he's unlikely to mind. :-) Of course, there is such a thing as "fair use", which allegedly allows extracts to be copied for the purposes of discussion and comment. Whether this is actually enshrined in English law I have no idea. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 15 10:58:14 1998 Message-ID: <018301bd9843$0c8adda0$f03ca8c0@DavesPC.orctel.internal> From: Dave To: sam-users Subject: Re: A Brief(ish) Statement. Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:50:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 496 Lines: 20 > And how exactly would I be breaching the law by sending him a copy ... > > Lee. > -- Argh. Here we go again. And just when things were getting back to normal. We're all going to be here until the end of time arguing with Bob that white is white when he'll swear blind that black is white and that _he_ knows best. Interesting way to find out if you're breaking the law? Do it and then see if Bob sues...? :) DMZ --- Colour of the day : Teal Blue Song of the day : Junkdrome - Front 242 From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 15 11:00:57 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <80256624.0035C42B.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:57:43 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Best SAM painting package? X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 924 Lines: 26 At 10:54 am +0100 15/6/98, Justin_Skists@case.co.uk wrote: >OK, > >It wasn't until I got all my artistic talent together and drew the main >screen >for MIDI-Bar that I realised how slow and tediously pathetic Flash! was... > >Is there a decent art package out there? Which one is best? How much? >Where from? The only serious competitor is SamPaint, which is... really rather good, in fact. Last time I looked, it was sold by FRED for 25UKP IIRC. Andrew -- +----------------+-----------------------------+----------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | to a fool | +----------------+-----------------------------+ and he calls | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | you foolish | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | -- Euripides | +----------------------------------------------+----------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 15 11:07:06 1998 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: A Brief(ish) Statement. References: <018301bd9843$0c8adda0$f03ca8c0@DavesPC.orctel.internal> X-Mammoth-Status: Aware X-{giggle}: Lots! From: The Giggler Date: 15 Jun 1998 11:01:38 +0100 In-Reply-To: "Dave"'s message of "Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:50:07 +0100" Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.66/Emacs 19.34 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 515 Lines: 20 "Dave" writes: > Argh. Here we go again. And just when things were getting back to > normal. True, apologies for that, I'd meant to post it privately as it were, but had a little brain lapse ;) > Interesting way to find out if you're breaking the law? Do it > and then see if Bob sues...? :) Or how about do it and see if Bob finds out ;) BTW, further replies to this thread to L.Willis@scm.brad.ac.uk not the list please ... cheers ;) Lee. -- Yawn And Walk North http://yawn.nocrew.org/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 15 11:07:07 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <80256624.003671C7.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:10:35 +0100 Subject: Advice: MIDI and Line INTs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 792 Lines: 21 Just to give you a small peice of advice, people. If you have a keyboard and the screen starts flickering (esp. any screen that using Line INTs to change palette colours or screen modes) turn the keyboard OFF!! :) Took me ages to work out why my SAM's reset screen and Flash! kept flickering very irratibly. I thought it was something wrong with my SAM's power supply... It turned out that intense MIDI signalling (ie, Active sensing from my keyboard - all those FE's) plays havoc with the Line interrupts! But I guess everyone knew this already! :) But, I said it just in case... (Just in case someone decided to create a synthesiser using a MIDI/SAM/Quazar Surround combination - which I was hoping to but not for AGES since I've got too many things I want to do now... :( ) Justin. From imc Mon Jun 15 11:11:56 1998 Subject: Re: Advice: MIDI and Line INTs In-Reply-To: <80256624.003671C7.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> from "Justin_Skists@case.co.uk" at "Jun 15, 98 11:10:35 am" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:11:56 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 383 Lines: 9 On Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:10:35 +0100, Justin_Skists@case.co.uk said: > It turned out that intense MIDI signalling (ie, Active sensing from > my keyboard - all those FE's) plays havoc with the Line interrupts! Because every time your keyboard sends a byte it causes an interrupt and of course all interrupts including the line interrupt are disabled while the handler is active. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 15 11:18:38 1998 Message-Id: From: Dan Doore Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:13:26 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: RE: Best SAM painting package? MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /310000000/310102093/310102123/310460310/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 101" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 232 Lines: 10 > Is there a decent art package out there? Which one is best? How much? > Where from? Yes, SamPaint, 24UKP, Dunno anymore - Dave L? Dan. Work: dan@armature.com Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 15 11:18:40 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <80256624.0038F7F0.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:23:05 +0100 Subject: Re: Best SAM painting package? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 245 Lines: 12 Andrew Collier wrote: >The only serious competitor is SamPaint, which is... really rather good, in >fact. > >Last time I looked, it was sold by FRED for 25UKP IIRC. Isn't Fred supposed to be changing hands right now? How awkward! :( Justin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 15 11:29:38 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ATLANTECH From: Scott Russell To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <00256624.003E1953.00@mail.atlan-tech.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:20:52 +0000 Subject: Have to go. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 245 Lines: 9 I've decided to unsubscribe from the SAM list. Too much noise but not much being said. To be honest, I'm too busy in work to handle the wadge of SAM list mail that comes in, particularly when 90 odd percent of it is bickering. Cheers Scott From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 15 11:35:53 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <80256624.003671C7.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:31:25 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Advice: MIDI and Line INTs X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 2734 Lines: 58 At 11:10 am +0100 15/6/98, Justin_Skists@case.co.uk wrote: >Just to give you a small peice of advice, people. > >If you have a keyboard and the screen starts flickering (esp. any >screen that using Line INTs to change palette colours or screen >modes) turn the keyboard OFF!! :) > >Took me ages to work out why my SAM's reset screen and Flash! >kept flickering very irratibly. I thought it was something wrong with >my SAM's power supply... > >It turned out that intense MIDI signalling (ie, Active sensing from >my keyboard - all those FE's) plays havoc with the Line interrupts! > >But I guess everyone knew this already! :) But, I said it just in case... > >(Just in case someone decided to create a synthesiser using a >MIDI/SAM/Quazar Surround combination - which I was hoping to >but not for AGES since I've got too many things I want to do now... :( ) Well - it's not affecting the LINE interrupts themselves..... it's just that the ROM gets a MIDI interrupt and probably thinks "Look out! There's an incoming MIDI byte. I must drop everything and retrieve it immediately!!![1]" and ignores some line int if they happen to come at the same time. The main problem with this of course, is that once the ROM has dropped a line interrupt, it can't continue to do line interrupt palette changes for the rest of that entire frame. This gives the ugly flickering you've noticed. Other programs that use line ints will probably completely ignore incoming MIDI data, and should be safe. (Although, servicing the extra interrupts - even if you then just ignore them - will be taking precious CPU cycles so in some programs this may in itself cause problems.) But unfortunately, the simultaneous MIDI / Quazar scheme is unlikely to get off the ground. These two devices both require that the processor does something at exactly the right time.... if the "right time" for the two devices coincides, what do you expect your poor Z80B to do? Andrew [1] Is this true? (I don't have the ROM source with me at the moment) Obviously the ROM is doing a certain amount of work after a MIDI interrupt, leading to the effect described, but under most circumstances I can't see why the ROM would want to bother retrieving the byte. If it does, where does the byte get stored? -- +----------------+-----------------------------+----------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | to a fool | +----------------+-----------------------------+ and he calls | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | you foolish | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | -- Euripides | +----------------------------------------------+----------------+ From imc Mon Jun 15 11:36:38 1998 Subject: Re: Have to go. In-Reply-To: <00256624.003E1953.00@mail.atlan-tech.com> from Scott Russell at "Jun 15, 98 11:20:52 am" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:36:38 +0100 (BST) Cc: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 596 Lines: 13 On Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:20:52 +0000, Scott Russell said: > To be honest, I'm too busy in work to handle the wadge of SAM > list mail that comes in, particularly when 90 odd percent of it is > bickering. But in the last few days there has been hardly any bickering, actually. We've had a nice discussion about MIDI software, and just now about art software. We have discussed hard disk interfaces and a CD of Sam material. And there was a bit of stuff about printing out integers. Of course samsboss did his best to derail the discussion but that was only a brief digression. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 15 11:42:22 1998 Message-Id: From: Dan Doore Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:35:46 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: RE: Have to go. MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /310000000/310102093/310102123/310460310/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 101" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 521 Lines: 17 > I've decided to unsubscribe from the SAM list. Too much > noise but not much > being said. To be honest, I'm too busy in work to handle the > wadge of SAM > list mail that comes in, particularly when 90 odd percent of it is > bickering. Well, another one bites the dust, but the S/N ratio has been really low over the past week and things have been looking up for a change. I might even purchase and Atom now.... Dan. Work: dan@armature.com Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 15 11:47:28 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199806150952.KAA23971@ruby.comlab> References: <80256624.00301318.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> from "Justin_Skists@case.co.uk" at "Jun 15, 98 10:16:35 am" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:43:40 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: MIDI in at last! X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1462 Lines: 31 At 10:52 am +0100 15/6/98, Ian Collier wrote: >So. The MIDI hardware works after all, even if it is a bit quirky. >I knew it did, really, since I have been using MIDI to transfer files >between the +3 and the Sam for ages. Indeed. It also works between Sams, although it isn't the ideal networking protocol we'd all dreamed of. But a question: does BDOS enable networking? (By which I mean, does "device n" work the same with BDOS as it does with no DOS? With SamDos "device n" doesn't work at all. Can't remember what happens with MasterDos.) On a slightly related theme.... I did almost manage to get a token ring network running on MIDI between Sams - I had a sort of talk program going to test the idea. It worked fine between two, and should have been okay between more but didn't seem to work properly. I only ever had one opportunity to test it with three, which was at the first NSSS. The sams didn't seem to be numbering themselves properly and all got terribly confused :( Andrew -- +----------------+-----------------------------+----------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | to a fool | +----------------+-----------------------------+ and he calls | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | you foolish | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | -- Euripides | +----------------------------------------------+----------------+ From imc Mon Jun 15 11:54:50 1998 Subject: Re: Advice: MIDI and Line INTs In-Reply-To: from Andrew Collier at "Jun 15, 98 11:31:25 am" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:54:50 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 3135 Lines: 64 On Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:31:25 +0100, Andrew Collier said: > But unfortunately, the simultaneous MIDI / Quazar scheme is unlikely to get > off the ground. These two devices both require that the processor does > something at exactly the right time.... if the "right time" for the two > devices coincides, what do you expect your poor Z80B to do? You'd be surprised. :-) It depends how many spare cycles you have in your surround sound output routine. If you disable interrupts then you can poll the status register every so often and collect an input byte if the status register says that one is ready. If you want to output then just output one every 400 microseconds and it should be OK. > [1] Is this true? (I don't have the ROM source with me at the moment) > Obviously the ROM is doing a certain amount of work after a MIDI interrupt, > leading to the effect described, but under most circumstances I can't see > why the ROM would want to bother retrieving the byte. If it does, where > does the byte get stored? I quote ... ;Interrupt processing is done here. ;This routine is called with SP pointing to a temporary ;stack, AF BC and HL having already been saved on the ;real stack. B holds the current LMPR, and C holds the ;status byte at the time of the interrupt. On return, ;HL should point to the real stack, and A should hold a ;valid LMPR value. LD42D LD A,C ;The status value is saved for LD (LASTSTAT),A ;future reference. PUSH BC ;The port values are saved, and PUSH DE ;the original value of DE is saved also RRA ;Test bit 0 of the status byte JP NC,D4E2,INT_LINE ;Jump if a LINE interrupt occurred RRA;Test bit 1 JR NC,D445,INT_MOUSE;Jump if a MOUSE interrupt occurred RRA;Test bit 2 JR NC,D44A,INT_MIP ;Jump if a MIDI IN interrupt occurred RRA;Test bit 3 JR NC,D457,INT_FRAME;Jump if a FRAME interrupt occurred LD HL,(MOPV) ;Otherwise it must have been a MIDI OUT JR D44F,INT_JUMP ;interrupt. Fetch the vector and jump forward. D445,INT_MOUSE LD HL,(COMSV) ;Fetch the mouse vector JR D44F,INT_JUMP ;and jump forward D44A,INT_MIP LD HL,(MIPV) ;Fetch the MIDI in vector IN A,(#FD) ;Fetch the MIDI input byte D44F,INT_JUMP INC H ;Test the high byte of the vector DEC H CALL NZ,0005,JP_HL ;Call the vector if it is non-zero JP D50A,INT_END ;Jump to end [snip] D50A,INT_END LD HL,(SPSTORE) ;HL is set to the old SP value POP DE ;The original value of DE is restored POP AF ;This puts the old LMPR value into A RET ;Return from the interrupt routine. This has been an extract from imc's "The complete Sam ROM disassembly", which you can expect to appear in early August.* imc * in the year 2013, just after SOI is released. From imc Mon Jun 15 11:58:32 1998 Subject: Re: MIDI in at last! In-Reply-To: from Andrew Collier at "Jun 15, 98 11:43:40 am" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:58:32 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 794 Lines: 18 On Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:43:40 +0100, Andrew Collier said: > With SamDos "device n" doesn't work at all. Can't remember what > happens with MasterDos.) It is slightly quirky. If I remember correctly, DEVICE N does not work but SAVE "n:foo" does. > On a slightly related theme.... I did almost manage to get a token ring > network running on MIDI between Sams - I had a sort of talk program going > to test the idea. It worked fine between two, and should have been okay > between more but didn't seem to work properly. I only ever had one > opportunity to test it with three, which was at the first NSSS. The sams > didn't seem to be numbering themselves properly and all got terribly > confused :( This wouldn't be due to the same problem we've just been discussing, would it? imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 15 12:06:53 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <80256624.003B1D67.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:57:20 +0100 Subject: Re: Advice: MIDI and Line INTs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1820 Lines: 44 >Well - it's not affecting the LINE interrupts themselves..... it's just >that the ROM gets a MIDI interrupt and probably thinks "Look out! There's >an incoming MIDI byte. I must drop everything and retrieve it >immediately!!![1]" and ignores some line int if they happen to come at the >same time. That's what I meant when I say it plays havoc with the Line INTs... >[1] Is this true? (I don't have the ROM source with me at the moment) >Obviously the ROM is doing a certain amount of work after a MIDI interrupt, >leading to the effect described, but under most circumstances I can't see >why the ROM would want to bother retrieving the byte. If it does, where >does the byte get stored? I stepped through the ROM when I was trying to figure out my MIDI problem. Basically, IIRC, it goes through the ISR, checks to see if the MIDI interrupt vector is set in the SVARs somewhere and jumps to that, if not, return. >But unfortunately, the simultaneous MIDI / Quazar scheme is unlikely to get >off the ground. These two devices both require that the processor does >something at exactly the right time.... if the "right time" for the two >devices coincides, what do you expect your poor Z80B to do? *chuckles* That's why I added that bit in brackets coz I was talking to Colin P. about a possible SAM Synth and asked him if he would like to take the project on. He never did reply to me on that! :) Actually, I thought it was difficult enough merging two real-time soundwaves together in software (when two notes were being played at once) and then outputting it to the Quazar Surround whilst still keeping hold of Line INTs and MIDI In INTs... Maybe I'll wait until we get new Hardware (Bob?) or I go out and buy a real MIDI Synth! :) (Perhaps I should learn to play the keyboard properly first! :) ) Justin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 15 12:06:56 1998 From: Simon Cooke To: sam-users Subject: RE: MIDI in at last! Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 06:50:06 -0400 Message-ID: <000601bd984b$5bb06d20$cc6faccf@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1060 Lines: 20 > On a slightly related theme.... I did almost manage to get a token ring > network running on MIDI between Sams - I had a sort of talk program going > to test the idea. It worked fine between two, and should have been okay > between more but didn't seem to work properly. I only ever had one > opportunity to test it with three, which was at the first NSSS. The sams > didn't seem to be numbering themselves properly and all got terribly > confused :( Works much better if you're using the comms interface for it instead -- though of course, there's the problem that you need different drivers (I think... RS542? or something?) when you're connecting multiple SAMs using it. Just connecting two together works fine though :) It also actually handles token ring properly too; the comms interface doesn't bother with the data it gets until it receives an address byte, at which point the comms chip interrupts, and you can check if the data is for you. If not, you can just turn the system back off and it'll wake up when it gets another address byte. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 15 12:36:47 1998 From: Simon Cooke To: sam-users Subject: RE: Advice: MIDI and Line INTs Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 07:14:05 -0400 Message-ID: <000801bd984e$b56e07c0$cc6faccf@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <199806151054.LAA24320@ruby.comlab> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 220 Lines: 12 > This has been an extract from imc's "The complete Sam ROM disassembly", > which you can expect to appear in early August.* > > imc > > * in the year 2013, just after SOI is released. *rotfls* Thanks Ian :) Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 15 12:36:47 1998 From: Simon Cooke To: sam-users Subject: RE: Is "MIDI In" bit on 249 stuck? Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 07:18:06 -0400 Message-ID: <000901bd984f$452605c0$cc6faccf@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <80256621.003CB446.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 232 Lines: 8 > OK. I'll have a go... > > Simon: Should all this MIDI stuff go into your tech man (if it works)? Heck yes, but due to circumstances beyond my control, I'm probably not going to be able to work on it for at least 4 months. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 15 15:17:43 1998 From: "E.P.R.P. Blink" Organization: Hanzehogeschool Groningen To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 16:12:43 MET Subject: Re: SD or not to SD X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <49C6D847C5@mail1.pl.hanze.nl> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 822 Lines: 27 > > From: "Matthew Craven" > > > > > one, and 3: who is thinking of switching to the ATOM when it comes out. > > > 3 - Errr... I've got one, and am just sorting out a nice Hard Drive > > > > When is the Atom coming out and what types of hard drive will it work > > with and what sizes of hard drive, etc. > > Hi Matthew! > > To answer the questions as best as I can... > > Very shortly (in fact, I believe right now!) so it's best to ring up > Uncle Malcolm on 0161 797 0651 to check.... particularly as Bury is > only up the road from Umist :) > > What types? What sizes? Alll IDE ... AFAIK and with 2.5" > internally... or 3.5" externally. > > Edwins' got quite a few gig working with it... 8 is it Edwin? > > David Yes Up to 8 gigs is supported with B-DOS. Edwin Blink From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 15 15:29:56 1998 Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 16:16:44 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9806151416.AA10021@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Holidays X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 592 Lines: 21 > You'll probably not get this before you go, so, when you get back, just to give > you a little bit to do, inbetween reading hundreds of crap boring > arguments........... Actually 1200 email were waiting for me when I got back - 90-95% of them from this list. > > Uploaded into sam-users - Incomming are now Dave Whitmore & Friends > issues no 10,11,12 & 13 of SCAC. for the /mags/SCAC dir. Done. I have also moved OW2 to the games directory. Some files are still left in the temp directory. Suggestions to permanent locations are welcome. > > Mucho thasnks.. Denothing. -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 15 15:47:05 1998 Message-Id: <9806151442.AA28008@mars.cableol.net> From: Neil Maynard To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 15:41:00 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Holidays In-Reply-To: <9806151416.AA10021@asmal.edh-net> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 890 Lines: 38 Welcome Back!! 1200 messages eh ??? wow!! Ok, Some files in the temp directory:- OCCULT.ZIP - Games directory (Occult Connection) BDOS.ZIP - Utils/disk directory (where QDOS is anyway!!) Neil Maynard On 15 Jun 98 at 16:16, Frode Tenneboe wrote: > > You'll probably not get this before you go, so, when you get back, just to give > > you a little bit to do, inbetween reading hundreds of crap boring > > arguments........... > > Actually 1200 email were waiting for me when I got back - 90-95% of > them from this list. > > > > > Uploaded into sam-users - Incomming are now Dave Whitmore & Friends > > issues no 10,11,12 & 13 of SCAC. for the /mags/SCAC dir. > > Done. I have also moved OW2 to the games directory. Some files are > still left in the temp directory. Suggestions to permanent locations are > welcome. > > > > > Mucho thasnks.. > > Denothing. > > -Frode > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 15 18:33:40 1998 From: David Ledbury at To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:21:08 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: SD or not to SD In-reply-to: Message-Id: <19980615172750Z49446-17118+217@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 561 Lines: 21 > From: Dan Doore > Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 8:45:25 +0000 > To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Subject: RE: SD or not to SD > Reply-to: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Date: Mon, 15 Jun 98 18:09:12 BST > > Edwins' got quite a few gig working with it... 8 is it Edwin? > > 8 GIG? > > That's just rude. > > I may have to purchase one of these Atom Heart Mothers..... > > Also, does BDOS work under SimCoupe and are there any plans to emulate > the Atom in Simcoupe? > > Dan. I bloody well hope not :( From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 15 18:33:41 1998 From: David Ledbury at To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:21:09 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Advice: MIDI and Line INTs In-reply-to: <80256624.003671C7.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Message-Id: <19980615172750Z49447-17118+218@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 762 Lines: 24 > From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:10:35 +0100 > Subject: Advice: MIDI and Line INTs > Reply-to: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Date: Mon, 15 Jun 98 18:09:24 BST > Just to give you a small peice of advice, people. > > If you have a keyboard and the screen starts flickering (esp. any > screen that using Line INTs to change palette colours or screen > modes) turn the keyboard OFF!! :) > > Took me ages to work out why my SAM's reset screen and Flash! > kept flickering very irratibly. I thought it was something wrong with > my SAM's power supply... Of course u could have one of those few SAMs out there with a Z80A processor... And they DO exist! David From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 15 18:33:42 1998 From: David Ledbury at To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:21:10 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Best SAM painting package? In-reply-to: <80256624.0035C42B.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Message-Id: <19980615172752Z49451-17118+219@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 629 Lines: 22 > From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:54:23 +0100 > Subject: Best SAM painting package? > Reply-to: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Date: Mon, 15 Jun 98 18:09:16 BST > OK, > > It wasn't until I got all my artistic talent together and drew the main > screen > for MIDI-Bar that I realised how slow and tediously pathetic Flash! was... > > Is there a decent art package out there? Which one is best? How much? > Where from? > > Justin I'd agree with SAM Paint... but I'd check with the new owner of Fred Soft on how much it is... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 15 20:05:07 1998 From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: CD Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:55:59 GMT Message-ID: <35885f86.35087955@mail.enterprise.net> References: <199806150051.BAA23340@ruby.comlab> In-Reply-To: <199806150051.BAA23340@ruby.comlab> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 940 Lines: 26 On Mon, 15 Jun 1998 01:51:45 +0100 (BST), Ian Collier wrote: >> Oh, yeah, I never thought about that, the SAM Users archive could be >> included on the CD. That'd be interesting for people who've not got > >The whole thing is about 40MB uncompressed so there's still plenty of >room for other stuff. :-) Yeah, about 610 megabytes! I bet a lot of the 40MB is header information (am I right?), but I suppose it'd be a bit tedious to go through stripping it all out. :-) I'm going to put most of my SAM disks onto a CD, even if an authorised version never happens. I'd be interested to know how far a legally distributable version can go though. No one has said anything negative yet, but the more I think about this, the more potential problems I forsee. I'd be interested to hear (he means 'read' - Ed) more reaction before considering it any further. Bye, _ |_)ave (/\)hitmore http://homepages.enterprise.net/davewhitmore/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 15 20:05:08 1998 Message-Id: <199806151842.TAA03301@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Paul Walker Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 19:42:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Fred Magazine Files In-reply-to: <000301bd9831$c72d5be0$cc6faccf@default> References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1122 Lines: 31 > > This is mainly for Simon really, but it there an easy way to decompress > > the Fred Magazine text files (.mag & .dcp) and rip the text out? > Through the magic of modern technology, I'd like to redirect this question > to Paul Walker :) Hmm. Assuming I can find the program ... :) Okay .. people should be able to download the file from http://users.zetnet.co.uk/pwalker/convftex.exe (I would put it on NVG, but they seem to have a write-only policy for incomings, and AFAIK Frode's still away). Relatively bug-free, but it's best to make sure there's at least 140Kb of memory free, since there's an intermittent bug with buffers smaller than 64Kb (as it's intermittent I haven't found it yet). > (he wrote a program to do it, after I put the specs for the > compressor/decompressor online) And very nice specs they were too - very easy to work from. :) Still haven't got the compressor working yet, though! Paul -- ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ---- FidoNet: 2:254/211.44 2:442/103.13 ---> http://www.craybbs.co.uk/foti <--- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 15 20:05:09 1998 Message-Id: <199806151853.TAA04725@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: dave hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 19:52:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: MIDI in at last! (Was: Is "MIDI In" bit on 249 stuck?) In-reply-to: <80256624.00301318.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 655 Lines: 17 > Unfortunately, it's filled (practically) the whole screen so I won't > be needing Dave Hooper's graphic skills :( yeh, i reckoned that would be the situation anyway. no problemo. > I'll stick it onto NVG in a week or three depending on when I finish it > off. BTW, I'll be using the BCD version of the int to ascii since I > won't be using SAM's printing routines (unless it can graphically > print fonts (3 characters in a 6x12 box - easier to use a variation > of Simon's butterfly(?) printing routine (if that's okay with him)) 3 characters in a 6x12 box? that'd be 4(horizontal)x3(vertical)pixels per character (presumably not 2x12!!) dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 15 20:05:09 1998 Message-Id: <199806151854.TAA04818@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: dave hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 19:53:51 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Best SAM painting package? In-reply-to: <80256624.0035C42B.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 219 Lines: 8 > Is there a decent art package out there? Which one is best? How much? > Where from? the weird thing is, i only use paint shop pro, and then convert it. or flash. never got round to getting anything else. dave dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 15 20:19:46 1998 Message-Id: <199806151911.VAA26492@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: Best SAM painting package? Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 21:13:23 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 948 Lines: 32 ---------- > Van: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Onderwerp: Best SAM painting package? > Datum: Monday, June 15, 1998 11:54 > > OK, > > It wasn't until I got all my artistic talent together and drew the main > screen > for MIDI-Bar that I realised how slow and tediously pathetic Flash! was... > > Is there a decent art package out there? Which one is best? How much? > Where from? Well practically everyone else has said it already, but here it goes: Sampaint, so far the best on the Sam, but as very usefull tools something like the Greyscale Dither program from Stefan, Palette Line proggie (name eludes me at the moment), A BMP-converter is also very usefull, and there was this palette color sorter. And A PC with scanner to abuse as a graphics workstation for the Sam :) -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Mind you if we call you "Bruce", it might otherwise cause some confusion. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 15 20:31:14 1998 From: David Ledbury at To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 19:20:41 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Best SAM painting package? In-reply-to: <199806151911.VAA26492@mailserv.caiw.nl> Message-Id: <19980615192718Z49217-17118+246@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1545 Lines: 53 > From: "Robert van der Veeke" > To: > Subject: Re: Best SAM painting package? > Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 21:13:23 +0200 > Reply-to: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Date: Mon, 15 Jun 98 20:24:45 BST > > > ---------- > > Van: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk > > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > > Onderwerp: Best SAM painting package? > > Datum: Monday, June 15, 1998 11:54 > > > > OK, > > > > It wasn't until I got all my artistic talent together and drew the main > > screen > > for MIDI-Bar that I realised how slow and tediously pathetic Flash! > was... > > > > Is there a decent art package out there? Which one is best? How much? > > Where from? > > Well practically everyone else has said it already, but here it goes: > > Sampaint, so far the best on the Sam, And in particular... the Atom version :) > but as very usefull tools something like the Greyscale Dither program from Hear hear! > Stefan, Palette Line proggie (name eludes me at the moment), A > BMP-converter is also very usefull, and there was this palette color The BMP convertor from Cookies pretty good! > sorter. And A PC with scanner to abuse as a graphics workstation for the > Sam :) Which reminds me.. I've got to touch up the Piman... (PiMania artwork peeps! ... And I DO have Mel Croucher's permission Bob!) > -- > Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics > [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] > Mind you if we call you "Bruce", it might otherwise cause some confusion. > > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 15 20:47:51 1998 From: davidm@enterprise.net (David Munden) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: A Brief(ish) Statement. Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 19:31:41 GMT Message-ID: <3585486f.5032130@mail.enterprise.net> References: <80256623.0038891B.00@horus.postmaster.net.uk> In-Reply-To: <80256623.0038891B.00@horus.postmaster.net.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 443 Lines: 14 On Sun, 14 Jun 1998 11:17:34 +0100, Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk wrote: >| In that case could you send me a copy as I would love to see what all >| the fuss is about. :) >Incitement to cause another person to breach the law is, in itself, a >criminal >offence David ;-) Well I never claimed to be perfect :) Seriously though, I wonder if somebody could take action against somebody who incites others to breach copyright. _ |_)avid (\/)unden From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 15 21:28:53 1998 Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 16:25:16 -0400 From: Gordon Wallis <101762.2062@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Best SAM painting package? To: "INTERNET:sam-users@nvg.unit.no" Message-ID: <199806151625_MC2-404C-D26D@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 798 Lines: 22 Message text written by INTERNET:sam-users@nvg.unit.no >how slow and tediously pathetic Flash! was... Is there a decent art package out there? Which one is best? How much? Where from? Justin < By far the best 3 art packages for the Sam... Adobe Photoshop (PC) PaintShop Pro (PC) Personal Paint (Amiga) My preferences for art packages *on* the Sam put Flash! above SamPaint, because the controls, etc. are always visible when you edit, and it's not overburdened with mostly useless (or at least, badly implemented) features, some of which have the wrong name - SamPaint's 'Blur' should have been called 'Diffuse', though I seem to remember another function does the 'proper' blur. I do agree that Flash! is slow and tediously pathetic, though, so I'd certainly buy SamPaint 2 if it's ever made. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 16 00:36:29 1998 Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 19:33:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806152333.TAA17736@smtp3.erols.com> X-Mailer: HandStamp Pro 1.0 Subject: Re:Re: A Brief(ish) Statement. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Simon Cooke To: davidm@enterprise.net, sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 218 Lines: 7 >On Sun, 14 Jun 1998 11:17:34 >Seriously though, I wonder if somebody could take action against >somebody who incites others to breach copyright. Probably not - because it's a tort, not a crime. IIRC, anyway. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 16 06:38:19 1998 Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 07:34:46 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9806160534.AA11146@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Holidays X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1000 Lines: 33 > Welcome Back!! > > 1200 messages eh ??? wow!! > > Ok, > > Some files in the temp directory:- > > OCCULT.ZIP - Games directory (Occult Connection) > BDOS.ZIP - Utils/disk directory (where QDOS is anyway!!) Done... In addition these has been added: mdiskcom.zip - ./utils/disk convftex.zip - ./utils/misc Files still existing in temp: -rw-r--r-- 1 frodet nettverk 208098 Jun 16 07:28 MORK.ZIP -rw-r--r-- 1 frodet nettverk 23777 Jan 26 11:55 SPECTRE.ZIP -rw-r--r-- 1 frodet nettverk 819200 Jun 15 15:30 Spq5.dsk -rw-r--r-- 1 frodet nettverk 2096 Jan 26 11:55 corbier.html -rw-r--r-- 1 frodet nettverk 5537 Jan 26 11:55 mdiskcom.bin -rw-r--r-- 1 frodet nettverk 1812 Jan 26 11:55 mdiskcom.txt The last two are merely the contents of mdiskcom.zip and will be deleted together with corbier.html if nobody gives a reason for keeping them there. The first three on the other hand would be nice to place in their respective direcotries. Anyone? -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 16 08:05:36 1998 From: David Ledbury at To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 06:53:47 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Holidays In-reply-to: <9806160534.AA11146@asmal.edh-net> Message-Id: <19980616070024Z49268-17118+351@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1114 Lines: 29 > Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 07:34:46 +0200 > From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) > > -rw-r--r-- 1 frodet nettverk 208098 Jun 16 07:28 MORK.ZIP > -rw-r--r-- 1 frodet nettverk 23777 Jan 26 11:55 SPECTRE.ZIP > -rw-r--r-- 1 frodet nettverk 819200 Jun 15 15:30 Spq5.dsk > -rw-r--r-- 1 frodet nettverk 2096 Jan 26 11:55 corbier.html > -rw-r--r-- 1 frodet nettverk 5537 Jan 26 11:55 mdiskcom.bin > -rw-r--r-- 1 frodet nettverk 1812 Jan 26 11:55 mdiskcom.txt > > The last two are merely the contents of mdiskcom.zip and will > be deleted together with corbier.html if nobody gives a reason for > keeping them there. The first three on the other hand would be > nice to place in their respective direcotries. Anyone? Mork - could be something from William McG - recently joined the list (Orewarz perhaps?) Spectre could be a Speccy emulator recently posted on CSS SPQ5? - Could be SAM Public Quarterly 5 ... although technically I'm not sure if this is (c) or not... may be okay as Sam Bucanan use a lot of PD stuff in SPQ/P. HTH David > -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 16 09:27:18 1998 Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:19:58 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9806160819.AA11750@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Holidays X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 440 Lines: 18 > Mork - could be something from William McG - recently joined the list > (Orewarz perhaps?) OW2 has already been added. Is this the prequel? > > Spectre could be a Speccy emulator recently posted on CSS What's it doing here? > > SPQ5? - Could be SAM Public Quarterly 5 ... although technically I'm > not sure if this is (c) or not... may be okay as Sam Bucanan use a > lot of PD stuff in SPQ/P. Anybody knows for sure? -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 16 09:47:42 1998 Message-Id: From: Dan Doore Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 9:35:56 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: RE: SD or not to SD MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /310000000/310102093/310102123/310460310/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 101" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 445 Lines: 17 > > Also, does BDOS work under SimCoupe and are there any plans > > to emulate the Atom in Simcoupe? > > I bloody well hope not :( Why not? The Atom uses disk images (records IIRC) and these are the same as 800K DSK files (AFAIK) - why not add functionality to Simcoupe to allow BDOS to see a directory of DSK's as an Atom file structure? Dan. Work: dan@armature.com Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 16 09:47:43 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <80256625.00304961.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:49:13 +0100 Subject: Re: Advice: MIDI and Line INTs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 267 Lines: 13 >Of course u could have one of those few SAMs out there with a Z80A >processor... > >And they DO exist! Don't tell me that please!!!! I've got to go home, open up my SAM and check the damn thing. (And how long with a Z80A last with a 6MHz clock anyway?) Justin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 16 09:47:44 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <80256625.00307A19.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:50:34 +0100 Subject: Re: Best SAM painting package? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 230 Lines: 9 >I'd agree with SAM Paint... but I'd check with the new owner of Fred >Soft on how much it is... Was this info on the new owner of Fred in the last Format? I've got to throw my bedroom into chaos now to find the thing! Justin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 16 09:53:44 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <80256625.00309F35.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:55:11 +0100 Subject: Re: MIDI in at last! (Was: Is "MIDI In" bit on 249 stuck?) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 374 Lines: 14 >yeh, i reckoned that would be the situation anyway. no problemo. I hate it when other people are right! ;) >3 characters in a 6x12 box? that'd be >4(horizontal)x3(vertical)pixels per character (presumably not 2x12!!) Actually, it's 6 pixels vertical and 4 horizontal. (or 12 bytes of data per character of which I'll give 16 to make it easier to calculate) Justin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 16 10:18:37 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <80256625.0033240E.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:21:12 +0100 Subject: Re: Best SAM painting package? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 330 Lines: 15 Gordon Wallis wrote: >By far the best 3 art packages for the Sam... >Adobe Photoshop (PC) >PaintShop Pro (PC) >Personal Paint (Amiga) But but but, I don't have a PC or an amiga at home... (And no extreme desire to buy such said machines just to draw some graphics on the SAM of which I have no artistic talent anyway) Justin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 16 10:18:38 1998 Message-ID: From: William McGugan To: "'sam-users@nvg.unit.no'" Subject: RE: Holidays Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:25:23 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.837.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 810 Lines: 34 >---------- >From: ft@edh.ericsson.se[SMTP:ft@edh.ericsson.se] >Sent: 16 June 1998 9:19 >To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no >Subject: Re: Holidays > >> Mork - could be something from William McG - recently joined the list >> (Orewarz perhaps?) > >OW2 has already been added. Is this the prequel? Mork.zip is a collection of some of my old stuff from early Freds. Many thanks to Dan Doore for archiving it for me (cheers Dan!) . It includes the original Ore Warz, some utilities and stuff... Will > >> >> Spectre could be a Speccy emulator recently posted on CSS > >What's it doing here? > >> >> SPQ5? - Could be SAM Public Quarterly 5 ... although technically I'm >> not sure if this is (c) or not... may be okay as Sam Bucanan use a >> lot of PD stuff in SPQ/P. > >Anybody knows for sure? > > -Frode > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 16 10:22:15 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <80256625.00337848.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:26:05 +0100 Subject: Re: Best SAM painting package? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 744 Lines: 18 >but as very usefull tools something like the Greyscale Dither program from >Stefan, Palette Line proggie (name eludes me at the moment), A >BMP-converter is also very usefull, and there was this palette color >sorter. And A PC with scanner to abuse as a graphics workstation for the >Sam :) Got the greyscale dither and, for a while, had my own grey-scale .bmp to screen$ converter. (basically, I did all the converting to a 16colour grey-scale, 256x192 piccy using Paintshop pro and then used my proggy to do the decoding to a screen$) But, I no-longer have a PC... and no great desire to go out and buy one... But once I get my own car (after learning to drive), I'll persuade my parents to let me have the family's 486sx25 PC... Justin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 16 11:35:56 1998 Message-Id: From: Dan Doore Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:26:58 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Cc: ft@edh.ericsson.se Subject: Uploads to NVG MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /310000000/310102093/310102123/310460310/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 101" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1063 Lines: 34 Gents, I have uploaded the following to NVG: -rw-r--r-- 1 ftp ftp 403702 Jun 16 09:54 bandemo.zip -rw-r--r-- 1 ftp ftp 340481 Jun 16 09:56 bangames.zip -rw-r--r-- 1 ftp ftp 717396 Jun 16 10:01 banpics1.zip -rw-r--r-- 1 ftp ftp 256307 Jun 16 10:02 banpics2.zip -rw-r--r-- 1 ftp ftp 389519 Jun 16 10:05 banpics3.zip -rw-r--r-- 1 ftp ftp 397903 Jun 16 10:07 banpics4.zip -rw-r--r-- 1 ftp ftp 443795 Jun 16 10:10 banpics5.zip -rw-r--r-- 1 ftp ftp 379318 Jun 16 10:12 banpics6.zip These are all DSK files and supersede any TD0's on NVG Bandemo - Banzai Demos & Utilities Bangames - Banzai Games (including Spec Tiles 1.2) BanpicsX - Banzai Slideshow discs Frode - Can you remove the following: /pub/sam-coupe/demos/ban_misc.zip /pub/sam-coupe/demos/misc/ban_demo.zip /pub/sam-coupe/games/ban_games.zip as these are nasty TD0's or evil PAK's. Dan. Work: dan@armature.com Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 16 12:11:17 1998 Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:04:10 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9806161104.AA12057@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Uploads to NVG X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 506 Lines: 21 > These are all DSK files and supersede any TD0's on NVG > > Bandemo - Banzai Demos & Utilities moved into demos section.... > Bangames - Banzai Games (including Spec Tiles 1.2) ..games section.. > BanpicsX - Banzai Slideshow discs > ...and graphics/slideshows section. > Frode - Can you remove the following: OK! Done. mork.zip has also been moved into ./games. Actually - I don't find td0 and pak files that bad. Am I the only one which has not experienced problems with these programs? -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 16 12:18:37 1998 Message-Id: From: Dan Doore Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 12:09:58 +0000 To: ft@edh.ericsson.se, sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: RE: Uploads to NVG MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /310000000/310102093/310102123/310460310/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 101" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 466 Lines: 24 > These are all DSK files and supersede any TD0's on NVG > > > Bandemo - Banzai Demos & Utilities > Bangames - Banzai Games (including Spec Tiles 1.2) > BanpicsX - Banzai Slideshow discs There's a few more coming as well (I didn't realise I still had my Sam disc box in my drawer) banpics7.zip banpics8.zip banbabe1.zip banbabe2.zip All are slideshow discs. Ta. Dan. Work: dan@armature.com Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 16 12:40:35 1998 Message-Id: From: Dan Doore Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 12:30:58 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: RE: Uploads to NVG MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /310000000/310102093/310102123/310460310/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 101" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 674 Lines: 23 > > Frode - Can you remove the following: > > OK! Done. mork.zip has also been moved into ./games. Cheers matey. > Actually - I don't find td0 and pak files that bad. Am I the only > one which has not experienced problems with these programs? TD0's are a hassle since the BIOS on my Dell doesn't like Teledisk one little bit, plus I think it's better to have zipped DSK's for use in SimCoupe. A load of PAK's i've had give a 'bad checksum' error, this could be a dodgy file transfer but even ones I have done on my sam and then tried to test have failed. Dan. Work: dan@armature.com Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 16 18:22:47 1998 Message-Id: <199806161719.SAA29727@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: dave hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 18:19:35 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: MIDI in at last! (Was: Is "MIDI In" bit on 249 stuck?) In-reply-to: <80256625.00309F35.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 618 Lines: 17 > >3 characters in a 6x12 box? that'd be > >4(horizontal)x3(vertical)pixels per character (presumably not 2x12!!) > > Actually, it's 6 pixels vertical and 4 horizontal. (or 12 bytes of data > per character of which I'll give 16 to make it easier to calculate) yeh, er, that's what i meant (dunno where i got the '3' from) of course, in mode 3, that'd be just 6 bytes... and if yr using RL to calculate the offset then you'd also save one instruction per character. although if yr using mode 4 i guess you could use RLD to calculate the offset which'd be even quicker. dunno. never ever used RLD meself. dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 16 18:48:55 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <80256625.00601FD7.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 18:43:11 +0100 Subject: Re: MIDI in at last! (Was: Is "MIDI In" bit on 249 stuck?) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 657 Lines: 21 >> Actually, it's 6 pixels vertical and 4 horizontal. (or 12 bytes of data >> per character of which I'll give 16 to make it easier to calculate) >> >yeh, er, that's what i meant (dunno where i got the '3' from) >of course, in mode 3, that'd be just 6 bytes... and if yr using RL to >calculate the offset then you'd also save one instruction per >character. 6 bytes and an extremely thin character! ;) >although if yr using mode 4 i guess you could use RLD to calculate >the offset which'd be even quicker. dunno. never ever used RLD >meself. I can't remember what that instructions does.. gotta check my Z80 book... Rotate left and decrease? Justin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 16 18:49:05 1998 From: David Ledbury at To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:37:22 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Advice: MIDI and Line INTs In-reply-to: <80256625.00304961.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Message-Id: <19980616174413Z49440-17118+496@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 392 Lines: 20 > From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk > >Of course u could have one of those few SAMs out there with a Z80A > >processor... > > > >And they DO exist! > > Don't tell me that please!!!! > I've got to go home, open up my SAM and check the damn thing. > > (And how long with a Z80A last with a 6MHz clock anyway?) Apparently a CMOS Z80A can run at over 6Mhz... > Justin. > > > > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 16 18:49:06 1998 From: David Ledbury at To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:37:23 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Best SAM painting package? In-reply-to: <80256625.00307A19.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Message-Id: <19980616174413Z49447-17118+497@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 712 Lines: 22 > From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:50:34 +0100 > Subject: Re: Best SAM painting package? > Reply-to: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Date: Tue, 16 Jun 98 18:36:20 BST > >I'd agree with SAM Paint... but I'd check with the new owner of Fred > >Soft on how much it is... > > Was this info on the new owner of Fred in the last Format? I've got > to throw my bedroom into chaos now to find the thing! > > > Justin The new owner is George Boyle... who's quite a decent chap - I've spoken to him at the NSSS and he's at least quite a keen SAM owner... His address etc...? I'll look and post it up in a bit :) David From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 16 21:06:17 1998 From: Gouranga Message-ID: <183fb93b.3586cfa4@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 16:03:47 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: CD Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 168 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 4633 Lines: 99 Yup, I did a CD of pretty much everything published on SAM. Two reasons 1) Backup. 2) A view to making some kind of SAM CD available at some point - legally. There was all sorts of stuff on there, including the SAC stuff, but there are only two copies of the CD in existance - one in Dundee, one in Gloucester - for backup purposes. Offers for extra copies to be made not accepted! The plan (for years) has been to use Sim Coupe and release a CD for the many, many reasons we'd like it. Copyright is a problem - given that my plans at total world domination left some excellent utils/games/demos/mags not owned by FRED, they would have to be released separately (although those that have been made PD could be included). So, we'll wait and see.... The business of FRED is in the process of being transferred to Mr George Boyle, and in due course, I'm sure he'll announce his new baby to the world. For reference, the copyright of all things FRED remains with me, George (and Darren before him) were granted publishing rights specifically on the SAM format, so I could do a SAM CD running on PCs without affecting George. All FRED items developed while Darren had FRED (ooh - all four of those issues...) as well as all the Saturn Software stuff has been transferred up to me and George is free to sell them if he wishes. Well, this concludes the most I've written to this list in a long long time. Just in case no-one noticed, although I read most things here, I very very rarely post - but if anyone's got any questions, I do reply to normal mail! Anyone that is sad enough can read an interview with me in the latest issue of Crashed available from our very own Mark Sturdy. And anyone that's up for a pint - I'll see you at the very next show that's organised! Colin > Subj: Re: CD > Date: 14/06/98 22:01:22 GMT > From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) > Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Reply-to: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > > > >> However, let's get back on topic. Is there anyone who would be > >> interested in helping to compile a CD ROM of public domain SAM > >> material? Help can include donations and permissions to use the said > >> material, as well as advice and discussion on presentation. A major > >> question on the subject might be - is it really worth it? > > > >I think you will find that Colin has already done it, well with all > >the FRED stuff and everything he could lay his hands on. Did it before > >he skipped off to the US of A last year so that his past was > >protected. He had the CD at the Gloucester show before he went and I > >seem to remember Bob having one as well. > > Well this was kept very quiet, and the fact remains that is isn't > available to us ordinary worthless scumbag peasants. :) > > Oh dear, I've just had a horrible thought. I wonder if any of the > Adventure club or other material was included without permission? :) > > >Don't forget Outlet, the Sam version of that is also in FRED's hands > >now. > > Yes, I knew about that. There are also all the other magazines not > owned by Fred - too many to mention. I've more or less been permission > to distribute or put SAM2SAM up for grabs at a site - by Johnna (but > he's only one of the team behind it). I don't know if Dave Tonks would > be interested in letting any of his magazines be included, and I'd > understand Malcolm MacKenzie not wanting any of Blitz to go on it > because it's relatively new. I think if people could say anything up > to such-a-date, or perhaps use older issues as trailers for the newer > ones. > > > >> It's just an idea. I know a few people might kick off and say its a > >> non-starter, but at least it's an idea. I might just do it for myself. > >> Who else is interested? > > > >So far I must admit I have not played with SimCoupe very much, so I > >don't know what the interest would be. > > SIM Coupe is quite good, and it runs well from CD. Non-SAM people who > are curious enough to pick it up from the various distribution points > are often disappointed to find nothing to use with it; or they can't > get it to work because of the lack of a document outlining fundamental > SAMDOS usage. They bin it. > > The interest would probably be a lot wider than existing SAM users or > those who've put them away and forgotten about them. For a change, > it'd be promoting (I'm not sure if that's the right word here) the > world of SAM outside existing users. The introspective attitude of > people who profess to love SAM has done a heluvva lot of damage over > the years. > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 16 21:13:58 1998 From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Advice: MIDI and Line INTs Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 20:10:18 GMT Message-ID: <358631da.4028843@mail.enterprise.net> References: <19980615172750Z49447-17118+218@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> In-Reply-To: <19980615172750Z49447-17118+218@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 591 Lines: 22 On Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:21:09 +0000, David Ledbury at wrote: >> Took me ages to work out why my SAM's reset screen and Flash! >> kept flickering very irratibly. I thought it was something wrong with >> my SAM's power supply... > >Of course u could have one of those few SAMs out there with a Z80A >processor... > >And they DO exist! They most certainly do. My mate Peter had one (are you reading Peter?) I think they were meant for the overseas market, but some of them stayed here after MGT's demise. Bye, _ |_)ave (/\)hitmore http://homepages.enterprise.net/davewhitmore/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 16 21:13:59 1998 From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SD or not to SD Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 20:10:25 GMT Message-ID: <358c6413.36253273@mail.enterprise.net> References: <19980615172750Z49446-17118+217@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> In-Reply-To: <19980615172750Z49446-17118+217@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 683 Lines: 25 On Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:21:08 +0000, David Ledbury at wrote: >> Also, does BDOS work under SimCoupe and are there any plans to emulate >> the Atom in Simcoupe? >> >> Dan. > >I bloody well hope not :( Drat!. Don't be a spoilsport! :) In some ways it might be an advantage to have it emulated. I'd also like the idea of DSK files being portable between BDOS records and SIM Coupe, but ISWYM. If the prospect of this is so horrifying, then you'd better be quick in convincing Malcolm to protect the way* the Atom works - before someone emulates it. :) * que another copyright/patents argument. Bye, _ |_)ave (/\)hitmore http://homepages.enterprise.net/davewhitmore/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 16 22:04:38 1998 From: Gouranga Message-ID: <254dc7b5.3586dd58@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:02:15 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Aaaannnd, again... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 168 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1243 Lines: 25 I have been thinking about this SAM book thing, and although I keep shooting off at tangents, there is actually a remote chance it'll get finished some day. So, in the meantime, I need some memory joggers. Namely 1) People. Who from SAM's past (MGT / SAMCo / other business / artist / coder / demo coder / writer / sales person / shop etc etc) do you think someone would say "I wonder what he does now?". This includes people that are still active in the SAM today, because I'd like to compile a massive list of any of the 'names'. 2) Puzzling events. What from the history of the SAM would you like to know, but never found out because it was covered up / no-one knew / you only found out too late / you didn't want to ask questions / there was no-one to ask etc etc. Anything at all - how come Bo Jangeborg got involved, how did the name SAM Coupe come about, who was this Arab bloke that was supposed to save SAMCo, who is "samsboss" .... you get the idea. There are a million and one things to write about, but I think if sam_users could compile a list of the two above, it'd be some kind of focus - and no, I'm not just being lazy, I have my own lists - I just need to make sure there isn't anyone we've forgotten about! Thank you. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 16 22:09:52 1998 Message-Id: <9806162107.AA27956@mars.cableol.net> From: Neil Maynard To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:11:27 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Z80A CPU's (Was Re: Advice: MIDI and Line INTs) References: <80256625.00304961.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <19980616174413Z49440-17118+496@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 593 Lines: 25 > > > >Of course u could have one of those few SAMs out there with a Z80A > > >processor... > > > > > >And they DO exist! > > > > Don't tell me that please!!!! > > I've got to go home, open up my SAM and check the damn thing. > > > > (And how long with a Z80A last with a 6MHz clock anyway?) > > Apparently a CMOS Z80A can run at over 6Mhz... > > > Justin. > > Well, I've just opened my Sam up and guess what - Yep I got a Z80A CPU!!! (Wel at least I'm pretty sure I have - The chip says GS, Z8400B PS, Z*)a CPU,8834) Dave, Any idea how many of these there are ??? Neil Maynard From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 16 22:57:57 1998 From: David Ledbury at To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 21:46:28 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Z80A CPU's (Was Re: Advice: MIDI and Line INTs) In-reply-to: <9806162107.AA27956@mars.cableol.net> References: <19980616174413Z49440-17118+496@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Message-Id: <19980616215310Z49246-17118+526@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 839 Lines: 31 > From: "Neil Maynard" > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > > > > > >Of course u could have one of those few SAMs out there with a Z80A > > > >processor... > > > > > > > >And they DO exist! > > > > > > Don't tell me that please!!!! > > > I've got to go home, open up my SAM and check the damn thing. > > > > > > (And how long with a Z80A last with a 6MHz clock anyway?) > > > > Apparently a CMOS Z80A can run at over 6Mhz... > > > > > Justin. > > > > > Well, I've just opened my Sam up and guess what - Yep I got a Z80A > CPU!!! (Wel at least I'm pretty sure I have - The chip says GS, > Z8400B PS, Z*)a CPU,8834) > > > Dave, Any idea how many of these there are ??? A few thousand IIR... Bob? For a change, could u get involved in this one? Perhaps u have an idea? > Neil Maynard David From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 16 22:57:57 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <254dc7b5.3586dd58@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:48:14 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Aaaannnd, again... X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1610 Lines: 33 At 10:02 pm +0100 16/6/98, wrote: >2) Puzzling events. What from the history of the SAM would you like to know, >but never found out because it was covered up / no-one knew / you only found >out too late / you didn't want to ask questions / there was no-one to ask etc >etc. Anything at all - how come Bo Jangeborg got involved, how did the name >SAM Coupe come about, who was this Arab bloke that was supposed to save SAMCo, >who is "samsboss" .... you get the idea. Consciously avoiding the troll, and attempting to steer the discussion constructively.... I remember in one of those early articles which Mel Croucher wrote for Crash, he was reeling off a list of the big names that MGT had drafted in to help with the production of the new computer such as Bo Jangeborg writing the art package and himself writing the manual. He also mentioned a musician, who was supposedly writing a synth package. It's so long ago I can't remember the name (Dave somebody???) but I think he'd done the music for a number of 128K spectrum games. So: who exactly was this, and whatever hapenned to the program he was writing? Andrew -- +----------------+-----------------------------+----------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | to a fool | +----------------+-----------------------------+ and he calls | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | you foolish | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | -- Euripides | +----------------------------------------------+----------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 16 22:57:58 1998 From: David Ledbury at To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 21:46:29 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Aaaannnd, again... In-reply-to: <254dc7b5.3586dd58@aol.com> Message-Id: <19980616215309Z49202-17118+525@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2052 Lines: 53 > From: > Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:02:15 EDT > I have been thinking about this SAM book thing, and although I keep shooting > off at tangents, there is actually a remote chance it'll get finished some > day. So, in the meantime, I need some memory joggers. Namely > > 1) People. Who from SAM's past (MGT / SAMCo / other business / artist / coder > / demo coder / writer / sales person / shop etc etc) do you think someone > would say "I wonder what he does now?". This includes people that are still > active in the SAM today, because I'd like to compile a massive list of any of > the 'names'. Alan & Bruce Charles Gill Greg (what was his last name?) That financial bloke...? Adrian Parker Colin Jordan (think he's working for some sort of musical instrument company or something...) That charming French Student who helped for ages... (yeah, even tho' of the female gender... I still thought she was charming ;) And that's just a few SAMCo peeps... And what happened to that chap who was working with Adrian, who had the accident? How is he doing? I've lost contact with Adrian years ago.... > 2) Puzzling events. What from the history of the SAM would you like to know, > but never found out because it was covered up / no-one knew / you only found > out too late / you didn't want to ask questions / there was no-one to ask etc > etc. Anything at all - how come Bo Jangeborg got involved, how did the name > SAM Coupe come about, who was this Arab bloke that was supposed to save SAMCo, SAM - Some Amazing Micro Coupe - named after a style of ice-cream... and because the case was supposed to look a little car-like. > who is "samsboss" .... you get the idea. Thought that was u actually... > There are a million and one things to write about, but I think if sam_users > could compile a list of the two above, it'd be some kind of focus - and no, > I'm not just being lazy, I have my own lists - I just need to make sure there > isn't anyone we've forgotten about! Agreed/ > Thank you. > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 16 23:15:34 1998 From: David Ledbury at To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 21:53:37 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Aaaannnd, again... In-reply-to: References: <254dc7b5.3586dd58@aol.com> Message-Id: <19980616220016Z49310-17118+529@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 621 Lines: 18 > Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:48:14 +0100 > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > From: Andrew Collier > He also mentioned a musician, who was supposedly writing a synth package. > It's so long ago I can't remember the name (Dave somebody???) but I think > he'd done the music for a number of 128K spectrum games. So: who exactly > was this, and whatever hapenned to the program he was writing? > > Andrew David Whittaker (fancy you forgetting that ;) of Glider Rider, Amurote, Zub etc fame... He was apparently working on routines to get his tunes to work on SAM IIR.... David From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 16 23:15:35 1998 From: Simon Cooke To: sam-users Subject: RE: Aaaannnd, again... Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:55:24 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bd9971$7744e580$9260accf@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <254dc7b5.3586dd58@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 869 Lines: 26 > 2) Puzzling events. What from the history of the SAM would you > like to know, > but never found out because it was covered up / no-one knew / you > only found > out too late / you didn't want to ask questions / there was > no-one to ask etc > etc. Anything at all - how come Bo Jangeborg got involved, how > did the name > SAM Coupe come about, who was this Arab bloke that was supposed > to save SAMCo, > who is "samsboss" .... you get the idea. A couple of things come to mind: What happened to David Whittaker's music package for the SAM that was supposed to be released when it was launched? What happened to the Strider conversion? And something that should be put on paper: Alan Miles and Bruce Gordon's story about why MGT went down. (Best appreciated in the upstairs portion of a large Swansea office, with a large supply of Kit Kats and Camels) Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 16 23:15:35 1998 Message-Id: <9806162203.AA32315@mars.cableol.net> From: Neil Maynard To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 23:07:32 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Z80A CPU's (Was Re: Advice: MIDI and Line INTs) References: <9806162107.AA27956@mars.cableol.net> In-Reply-To: <19980616215310Z49246-17118+526@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 885 Lines: 35 > > > > >Of course u could have one of those few SAMs out there with a Z80A > > > > >processor... > > > > > > > > > >And they DO exist! > > > > > > > > Don't tell me that please!!!! > > > > I've got to go home, open up my SAM and check the damn thing. > > > > > > > > (And how long with a Z80A last with a 6MHz clock anyway?) > > > > > > Apparently a CMOS Z80A can run at over 6Mhz... > > > > > > > Justin. > > > > > > > > Well, I've just opened my Sam up and guess what - Yep I got a Z80A > > CPU!!! (Wel at least I'm pretty sure I have - The chip says GS, > > Z8400B PS, Z*)a CPU,8834) > > > > > > Dave, Any idea how many of these there are ??? > > A few thousand IIR... Bob? For a change, could u get involved in this > one? Perhaps u have an idea? > > > Neil Maynard > > David > Do these Sams with Z80A chips run any slower than the ones with B chips ?? Neil From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 16 23:15:36 1998 From: Simon Cooke To: sam-users Subject: RE: Aaaannnd, again... Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:58:50 -0400 Message-ID: <000201bd9971$f2342620$9260accf@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 629 Lines: 14 > He also mentioned a musician, who was supposedly writing a synth package. > It's so long ago I can't remember the name (Dave somebody???) but I think > he'd done the music for a number of 128K spectrum games. So: who exactly > was this, and whatever hapenned to the program he was writing? You know, I'm wondering if someone got the wrong end of the stick with Dave Whittaker's involvement. Was it just that he was writing an AY-3-8910 emulator for the SAA1099? BTW: He did write something tho' - see the SAM demo tape for the SAM anthem. Which, compared to his previous and later works, was complete and utter trash. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 16 23:15:38 1998 From: Simon Cooke To: sam-users Subject: History Of The SAM Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:58:48 -0400 Message-ID: <000101bd9971$f0aa78e0$9260accf@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 455 Lines: 14 I'd just like to say folks... My memory of all that went on with the SAM is fading. Slowly but surely. I can't even remember exactly what went on at the first Gloucester show (I think I showed off the Midget). Erk. Just seen the biggest fork lightening I've ever come across out the window. So, basically, if we're going to get the history of the SAM put down anywhere, we'd better do it soon, before we all forget what happened over the years. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 16 23:15:38 1998 From: Simon Cooke To: sam-users Subject: RE: Aaaannnd, again... Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:58:52 -0400 Message-ID: <000301bd9971$f326c380$9260accf@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <19980616215309Z49202-17118+525@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 542 Lines: 19 > That charming French Student who helped for ages... (yeah, even tho' > of the female gender... I still thought she was charming ;) Isobel, IIRC. God she was *gorgeous*. Spent a few lunchtimes with her, sharing crisps :) > And that's just a few SAMCo peeps... > > And what happened to that chap who was working with Adrian, who had > the accident? How is he doing? I've lost contact with Adrian years > ago.... Mark Hall. I've been wondering about that myself -- Mark is a star, and I hope he's ok. Wonder how Paul's doing too? Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 16 23:15:39 1998 Message-Id: <9806162208.AA21706@mars.cableol.net> From: Neil Maynard To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 23:12:52 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Wishing I could Code X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 760 Lines: 22 Hellooooo Sam People!! Right now I've got your attention I'm going to ask for some nice people to help me!!! I'm trying to teach myself Z80 and was hoping that some nice Sam people would send me some of their routines that I can look at to help myself learn. I always find that seeing some code helps me understand how to use the language so if there is anyone out there you would be willing to send me some routines (even if they only do trivial things!!) then I would be most appreciative. I know that Simon mention this as part of his unoffical Technical Manual but I think that a collection of routines (such as sprite handling etc) would be very benificial to both old an new programmers!! Heh - Its another Sam Related Topic - wow!! Neil From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 16 23:35:07 1998 Message-Id: <199806162224.AAA23280@runix.runit.sintef.no> From: David Ledbury at To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:17:17 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Z80A CPU's (Was Re: Advice: MIDI and Line INTs) In-reply-to: <9806162203.AA32315@mars.cableol.net> References: <19980616215310Z49246-17118+526@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 837 Lines: 29 > From: "Neil Maynard" > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > > > Well, I've just opened my Sam up and guess what - Yep I got a Z80A > > > CPU!!! (Wel at least I'm pretty sure I have - The chip says GS, > > > Z8400B PS, Z*)a CPU,8834) I think the key letter there is the B ... I think you've little to worry :) > > > Dave, Any idea how many of these there are ??? > > > > A few thousand IIR... Bob? For a change, could u get involved in this > > one? Perhaps u have an idea? > > > > > Neil Maynard > > > > David > > > > Do these Sams with Z80A chips run any slower than the ones with B > chips ?? > > > Neil Not as far as I know... although I understand some internal timings are slightly different. The ASIC IIR was built with tolerence for slower Z80's... or is this an urban myth? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 16 23:35:08 1998 From: Simon Cooke To: sam-users Subject: RE: Wishing I could Code Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 18:20:42 -0400 Message-ID: <000401bd9975$00051b80$9260accf@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <9806162208.AA21706@mars.cableol.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2416 Lines: 57 > I'm trying to teach myself Z80 and was hoping that some nice Sam > people would send me some of their routines that I can look at to > help myself learn. I always find that seeing some code helps me > understand how to use the language so if there is anyone out there > you would be willing to send me some routines (even if they only do > trivial things!!) then I would be most appreciative. Well, I've offered before to send people a collection of source code. Can't remember exactly what I offered though. Hang on a sec... Ah... here ya go :) Source code is available for: Termite alpha test version Comet 2 Ascii (And vice versa) QDOS - SAMDOS system patch which cleans your system, reinstalls the standard font, etc etc SAM -> BMP converter (mode 3 is faulty due to bad specs from MS) IFF -> SAM converter (partially finished; works to a certain extent) GIF -> SAM converter (works mostly; bayer gives good results from far away, or use greyscale) The MultiROM source code (as demoed on the prototype) Simple test source for using a PC keyboard with a SAM (the interface is simple, AFAICR) -- note, this is the driver code which would, in a finished system, be on a separate board, running from its own Z80 ZUB Source code to date Parallax disk protection source code -- unless Colin MacD objects. Includes: Boot sector, in-game DOS and copier source code. ATOMIC PD menu - never finished. Happy Birthday demo (FRED 24) source Document Reader (most issues of FRED) source Entro 2 parts a & b source code Entropy Experience menu source code Fred 14 menu source code Fred 18 Menu source code Fred 28 Menu source code Hiscore table source code Hot Butter demo source code Infinity Cracktro source code A mouse driven menu for a program never released -- not sure if this even works! Very early system specs reporter program - source SCPDU issue 5 menu source SCPDU issue 6 preview demo source SCPDU slideshow demo source Amiga Fake-gameboy Tetris game conversion source Some of it's documented -- it was for a job application I made to a company in Chicago back in 1994. (I was offered the job, but their claims that it would have been easy for me to go over there and get a visa were unbelievable... especially now with experience of the process!) So... any takers for any of it? It's not necessarily beginners material, nor is it anything all that special, but it might give someone some ideas... Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 16 23:41:22 1998 From: David Ledbury at To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:29:13 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Wishing I could Code In-reply-to: <9806162208.AA21706@mars.cableol.net> Message-Id: <19980616223600Z49187-17118+535@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 850 Lines: 28 > From: "Neil Maynard" > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > > I'm trying to teach myself Z80 and was hoping that some nice Sam > people would send me some of their routines that I can look at to > help myself learn. I always find that seeing some code helps me > understand how to use the language so if there is anyone out there > you would be willing to send me some routines (even if they only do > trivial things!!) then I would be most appreciative. You and me both :) > I know that Simon mention this as part of his unoffical Technical > Manual but I think that a collection of routines (such as sprite > handling etc) would be very benificial to both old an new > programmers!! Hear hear! > > Heh - Its another Sam Related Topic - wow!! There's a first time for everything! > Neil David From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 16 23:45:29 1998 Message-Id: <9806162241.AA04330@mars.cableol.net> From: Neil Maynard To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 23:45:37 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Wishing I could Code In-Reply-To: <000401bd9975$00051b80$9260accf@default> References: <9806162208.AA21706@mars.cableol.net> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2751 Lines: 73 Simon, As I said - I will take anything!! If some of it is too advanced for me at the moment I can always come back to it later I would be very gratefull if you could e-mail me whatever you can! Thanks Neil > > I'm trying to teach myself Z80 and was hoping that some nice Sam > > people would send me some of their routines that I can look at to > > help myself learn. I always find that seeing some code helps me > > understand how to use the language so if there is anyone out there > > you would be willing to send me some routines (even if they only do > > trivial things!!) then I would be most appreciative. > > Well, I've offered before to send people a collection of source code. Can't > remember exactly what I offered though. Hang on a sec... > > Ah... here ya go :) > > Source code is available for: > > Termite alpha test version > Comet 2 Ascii (And vice versa) > QDOS - SAMDOS system patch which cleans your system, reinstalls the > standard font, etc etc > SAM -> BMP converter (mode 3 is faulty due to bad specs from MS) > IFF -> SAM converter (partially finished; works to a certain extent) > GIF -> SAM converter (works mostly; bayer gives good results from far away, > or use greyscale) > The MultiROM source code (as demoed on the prototype) > Simple test source for using a PC keyboard with a SAM (the interface is > simple, AFAICR) -- note, this is the driver code which would, in a finished > system, be on a separate board, running from its own Z80 > ZUB Source code to date > Parallax disk protection source code -- unless Colin MacD objects. > Includes: Boot sector, in-game DOS and copier source code. > ATOMIC PD menu - never finished. > Happy Birthday demo (FRED 24) source > Document Reader (most issues of FRED) source > Entro 2 parts a & b source code > Entropy Experience menu source code > Fred 14 menu source code > Fred 18 Menu source code > Fred 28 Menu source code > Hiscore table source code > Hot Butter demo source code > Infinity Cracktro source code > A mouse driven menu for a program never released -- not sure if this even > works! > Very early system specs reporter program - source > SCPDU issue 5 menu source > SCPDU issue 6 preview demo source > SCPDU slideshow demo source > Amiga Fake-gameboy Tetris game conversion source > > Some of it's documented -- it was for a job application I made to a company > in Chicago back in 1994. (I was offered the job, but their claims that it > would have been easy for me to go over there and get a visa were > unbelievable... especially now with experience of the process!) > > So... any takers for any of it? It's not necessarily beginners material, > nor is it anything all that special, but it might give someone some ideas... > > Simon > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 16 23:53:29 1998 From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: CD Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:50:40 GMT Message-ID: <358ef652.19324780@mail.enterprise.net> References: <183fb93b.3586cfa4@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <183fb93b.3586cfa4@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1192 Lines: 37 On Tue, 16 Jun 1998 16:03:47 EDT, wrote: >Yup, I did a CD of pretty much everything published on SAM. Two reasons > >1) Backup. Wise :) >2) A view to making some kind of SAM CD available at some point - legally. Good idea. >There was all sorts of stuff on there, including the SAC stuff, but there are >only two copies of the CD in existance - one in Dundee, one in Gloucester - >for backup purposes. Offers for extra copies to be made not accepted! Understandable. SCAC disks are likewise banned from any /commercial/ CD compilation. >The plan (for years) has been to use Sim Coupe and release a CD for the many, >many reasons we'd like it. Copyright is a problem - given that my plans at >total world domination left some excellent utils/games/demos/mags not owned by >FRED, they would have to be released separately (although those that have been >made PD could be included). So, we'll wait and see.... More problems arise when contributors to a disk magazine say "Hey, hang on. I said you could use it in February's 'SAM gazette' disk, but I said nothing about a CD!" Tricky. Bye, _ |_)ave (/\)hitmore http://homepages.enterprise.net/davewhitmore/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jun 17 00:01:52 1998 Message-ID: <3586F839.9D677A3D@purple.dircon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 23:56:57 +0100 From: Gavin Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Wishing I could Code References: <9806162208.AA21706@mars.cableol.net> <9806162241.AA04330@mars.cableol.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 554 Lines: 20 Neil Maynard wrote: > > Simon, > > As I said - I will take anything!! > > If some of it is too advanced for me at the moment I can always come > back to it later > > I would be very gratefull if you could e-mail me whatever you can! Me too! <\AOL> Perhaps you could upload it to NVG Simon? Very kind of you to offer anyhow - it might help me to get round to learning a bit more Z80 some time...cheers mate -- * Gavin Smith - ICQ:5099913 Email:gavin.smith@purple.dircon.co.uk * * IRC Undernet's #TheLocal, #SAM-Users as SparkY or SparkYY * From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jun 17 07:56:00 1998 Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 08:50:33 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9806170650.AA13357@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: RE: Wishing I could Code X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2749 Lines: 63 > > I'm trying to teach myself Z80 and was hoping that some nice Sam > > people would send me some of their routines that I can look at to > > help myself learn. I always find that seeing some code helps me > > understand how to use the language so if there is anyone out there > > you would be willing to send me some routines (even if they only do > > trivial things!!) then I would be most appreciative. > > Well, I've offered before to send people a collection of source code. Can't > remember exactly what I offered though. Hang on a sec... > > Ah... here ya go :) > > Source code is available for: > > Termite alpha test version > Comet 2 Ascii (And vice versa) > QDOS - SAMDOS system patch which cleans your system, reinstalls the > standard font, etc etc > SAM -> BMP converter (mode 3 is faulty due to bad specs from MS) > IFF -> SAM converter (partially finished; works to a certain extent) > GIF -> SAM converter (works mostly; bayer gives good results from far away, > or use greyscale) > The MultiROM source code (as demoed on the prototype) > Simple test source for using a PC keyboard with a SAM (the interface is > simple, AFAICR) -- note, this is the driver code which would, in a finished > system, be on a separate board, running from its own Z80 > ZUB Source code to date > Parallax disk protection source code -- unless Colin MacD objects. > Includes: Boot sector, in-game DOS and copier source code. > ATOMIC PD menu - never finished. > Happy Birthday demo (FRED 24) source > Document Reader (most issues of FRED) source > Entro 2 parts a & b source code > Entropy Experience menu source code > Fred 14 menu source code > Fred 18 Menu source code > Fred 28 Menu source code > Hiscore table source code > Hot Butter demo source code > Infinity Cracktro source code > A mouse driven menu for a program never released -- not sure if this even > works! > Very early system specs reporter program - source > SCPDU issue 5 menu source > SCPDU issue 6 preview demo source > SCPDU slideshow demo source > Amiga Fake-gameboy Tetris game conversion source > > Some of it's documented -- it was for a job application I made to a company > in Chicago back in 1994. (I was offered the job, but their claims that it > would have been easy for me to go over there and get a visa were > unbelievable... especially now with experience of the process!) I thought you had to demonstrate skills not available in the US to get a visa there. Now, this just _might_ have been the case with you. ;) > > So... any takers for any of it? It's not necessarily beginners material, > nor is it anything all that special, but it might give someone some ideas... If you want, I could probably find you a special place at the nvg archive. :) -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jun 17 09:36:26 1998 Message-Id: From: Dan Doore Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 9:26:16 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: RE: Aaaannnd, again... MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /310000000/310102093/310102123/310460310/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 101" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 736 Lines: 26 > You know, I'm wondering if someone got the wrong end of the > stick with Dave > Whittaker's involvement. Was it just that he was writing an AY-3-8910 > emulator for the SAA1099? I have an article from Crash somewhere at home with a piccy of Dave at a keyboard and it saying something along those lines. > BTW: He did write something tho' - see the SAM demo tape for > the SAM anthem. > Which, compared to his previous and later works, was complete > and utter trash. *shudders* Do dee-dee do dee-dee dee-dee-dee-dee (dee dee) Do dee-dee do dee-dee dee deeee! Don't ever make me remember that tune again, spwan of satan :-) Dan. Work: dan@armature.com Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jun 17 11:21:54 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 11:16:40 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no, sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: RE: Aaaannnd, again... X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 728 Lines: 22 At 10:26 am +0100 17/6/98, Dan Doore wrote: >*shudders* > >Do dee-dee do dee-dee dee-dee-dee-dee (dee dee) >Do dee-dee do dee-dee dee deeee! > >Don't ever make me remember that tune again, spwan of satan :-) Ah, how the memories come flooding back :) Andrew -- +----------------+-----------------------------+----------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | to a fool | +----------------+-----------------------------+ and he calls | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | you foolish | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | -- Euripides | +----------------------------------------------+----------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jun 17 11:32:36 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <80256626.0039F06C.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 11:33:27 +0100 Subject: RE: Aaaannnd, again... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 295 Lines: 13 >>Do dee-dee do dee-dee dee-dee-dee-dee (dee dee) >>Do dee-dee do dee-dee dee deeee! >> >>Don't ever make me remember that tune again, spwan of satan :-) > >Ah, how the memories come flooding back :) I can't actually remember the tune............ I must load up that demo disk again. Justin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jun 17 12:28:53 1998 Message-Id: <199806171120.MAA21085@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: dave hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:20:04 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Aaaannnd, again... References: <254dc7b5.3586dd58@aol.com> In-reply-to: <19980616215309Z49202-17118+525@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 570 Lines: 11 > Charles Gill i felt sorry for him. for the best part of two months i was on the phone to him saying where's my disk drive (after sending my sam for repair and receiving it (very promptly i might add) sans slim-line) he kept saying he didn't know and i kept saying i didn't care. if he's reading this (unlikely) or if someone is in touch with him (more likely?) say i'm very very sorry for hassling him so much, and that i did eventually get my disk drive (actually, a different one, but whatever, same result), and also i was never charged for the repair. dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jun 17 23:29:53 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: POSTMASTER From: Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <80256626.007AD136.00@horus.postmaster.net.uk> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 23:21:31 +0100 Subject: Re: Z80A CPU's (Was Re: Advice: MIDI and Line INTs) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 851 Lines: 37 | > | > > >Of course u could have one of those few SAMs out there with a Z80A | > > >processor... | > > > | > > >And they DO exist! | > > | > > Don't tell me that please!!!! | > > I've got to go home, open up my SAM and check the damn thing. | > > | > > (And how long with a Z80A last with a 6MHz clock anyway?) | > | > Apparently a CMOS Z80A can run at over 6Mhz... | > | > > Justin. | > > | | Well, I've just opened my Sam up and guess what - Yep I got a Z80A | CPU!!! (Wel at least I'm pretty sure I have - The chip says GS, | Z8400B PS, Z*)a CPU,8834) That makes that a "GoldStar Z80B CPU" by the looks of it. | | | Dave, Any idea how many of these there are ??? | | | Neil Maynard -- Samsboss - The One And Only. Accept No Others. ___________________________________ To sign up for a free email account, visit http://www.postmaster.co.uk. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jun 17 23:29:54 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: POSTMASTER From: Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <80256626.007B14A2.00@horus.postmaster.net.uk> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 23:24:25 +0100 Subject: Re: Z80A CPU's (Was Re: Advice: MIDI and Line INTs) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 372 Lines: 21 | > | > David | > | | Do these Sams with Z80A chips run any slower than the ones with B | chips ?? I would not think so, they must have to run at the same speed as the clock or they would fall over. | | | Neil -- Samsboss - The One And Only. Accept No Others. ___________________________________ To sign up for a free email account, visit http://www.postmaster.co.uk. From imc Thu Jun 18 01:42:50 1998 Subject: Re: Aaaannnd, again... In-Reply-To: <254dc7b5.3586dd58@aol.com> from Gouranga at "Jun 16, 98 05:02:15 pm" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 01:42:50 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 497 Lines: 13 On Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:02:15 EDT, Gouranga said: > 2) Puzzling events. What from the history of the SAM would you like to know, > but never found out because it was covered up / no-one knew / you only found > out too late / you didn't want to ask questions / there was no-one to ask et > etc. Anything at all Well the above has been called a troll but I might as well state the obvious: who exactly is/are West Coast Computers and what has Bob got against Dave Ledbury? There, I said it. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 18 08:23:45 1998 From: David Ledbury at To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 07:15:09 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Aaaannnd, again... In-reply-to: <199806180042.BAA03557@ruby.comlab> References: <254dc7b5.3586dd58@aol.com> from Gouranga at "Jun 16, 98 05:02:15 pm" Message-Id: <19980618072150Z49439-30686+38@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 850 Lines: 20 > From: Ian Collier > Subject: Re: Aaaannnd, again... > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 01:42:50 +0100 (BST) > Reply-to: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Date: Thu, 18 Jun 98 08:20:21 BST > On Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:02:15 EDT, Gouranga said: > > 2) Puzzling events. What from the history of the SAM would you like to know, > > but never found out because it was covered up / no-one knew / you only found > > out too late / you didn't want to ask questions / there was no-one to ask et > > etc. Anything at all > > Well the above has been called a troll but I might as well state the > obvious: who exactly is/are West Coast Computers and what has Bob got > against Dave Ledbury? > > There, I said it. Something I've yet to hear a satisfactory answer to as well... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 18 10:36:43 1998 Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:34:34 +0100 (BST) From: D A Fulton To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Z80A CPU's (Was Re: Advice: MIDI and Line INTs) In-Reply-To: <80256626.007AD136.00@horus.postmaster.net.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 706 Lines: 20 > | > > >Of course u could have one of those few SAMs out there with a Z80A > | > > >processor... > | > > > > | > > >And they DO exist! > | > | Well, I've just opened my Sam up and guess what - Yep I got a Z80A > | CPU!!! (Wel at least I'm pretty sure I have - The chip says GS, > | Z8400B PS, Z*)a CPU,8834) > > That makes that a "GoldStar Z80B CPU" by the looks of it. I had this discussion with Bob Brenchley a few years back. I've got an (early) SAM which has a chip with the number Z8400B, which, according to Bob, is a Z80B. However, written directly underneath are the words Z80A CPU! Anybody know what processer I've got? More importantly, anyone care to guess how fast it's running? Dave. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 18 11:09:26 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <80256626.007AD136.00@horus.postmaster.net.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 11:06:09 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Z80A CPU's (Was Re: Advice: MIDI and Line INTs) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 685 Lines: 20 At 10:34 am +0100 18/6/98, D A Fulton wrote: >Anybody know what processer I've got? More importantly, anyone care to >guess how fast it's running? Load MNEMOdemo. If it works, you haven't got a problem. :) Andrew -- +----------------+-----------------------------+----------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | to a fool | +----------------+-----------------------------+ and he calls | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | you foolish | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | -- Euripides | +----------------------------------------------+----------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 18 12:10:23 1998 Message-Id: From: Dan Doore Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 12:05:23 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: RE: Aaaannnd, again... MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /310000000/310102093/310102123/310460310/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 101" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 302 Lines: 10 > I have an article from Crash somewhere at home with a piccy > of Dave at a keyboard and it saying something along those lines. In fact it is now living at http://www,podboy.demon.co.uk/coupe/dave.jpg Dan. Work: dan@armature.com Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 18 12:17:12 1998 From: "E.P.R.P. Blink" Organization: Hanzehogeschool Groningen To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 13:10:39 MET Subject: DEVICE N(network) X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <8EC11D25A2@mail1.pl.hanze.nl> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 464 Lines: 21 I don't now exactly who wrote it because I've lost my sam users folder when I moved my mailbox to hard disk. >DEVICE n will cause the invalid device error >However LOAD "N:*" works With MasterDOS Theres a trick to load and save via network with SAMDOS and B-DOS but I'm not sure it works for ROM versions before 3.0 LET dospage=PEEK &5BC2 (THIS IS THE DOS PAGE) POKE dospage,0 DEVICE N LOAD/SAVE "AHA" or "N:AHA" POKE &5BC2,dospage Edwin Blink. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 18 22:49:57 1998 From: Peter Harkess To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 22:18:58 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <358631da.4028843@mail.enterprise.net> X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview3 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Subject: Re[2]: Advice: MIDI and Line INTs X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 889 Lines: 34 All hail the Newflesh MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Dave While summoning a demon,chanted, "Re: Advice: MIDI and Line INTs": >>> kept flickering very irratibly. I thought it was something wrong with >>> my SAM's power supply... >> >> Of course u could have one of those few SAMs out there with a Z80A >> processor... >> >> And they DO exist! > > They most certainly do. My mate Peter had one (are you reading Peter?) > > I think they were meant for the overseas market, but some of them > stayed here after MGT's demise. Hi Dave, Yup i've got one of those :(but as you know i have one of the one's with the z80b as well,as you well know Dave :))Personally i don't remember a big difference though?? Nice to hear from you again Dave,what you been up to mate? -- What happens to the hole when the cheese is gone? -- Bertolt Brecht cheers Peter Harkess From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 18 22:49:58 1998 From: Peter Harkess To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 22:41:53 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199806162224.AAA23280@runix.runit.sintef.no> X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview3 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Subject: Re[2]: Z80A CPU's (Was Re: Advice: MIDI and Line INTs) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 725 Lines: 30 All hail the Newflesh MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain David Ledbury at While summoning a demon,chanted, "Re: Z80A CPU's (Was Re: Advice: MIDI and Line INTs)": > >>>> Well, I've just opened my Sam up and guess what - Yep I got a Z80A >>>> CPU!!! (Wel at least I'm pretty sure I have - The chip says GS, >>>> Z8400B PS, Z*)a CPU,8834) > > I think the key letter there is the B ... I think you've little to > worry :) > The writing on mine is... GS z80400b ps z80a cpu 8834 and i'm quite sure that's a z80a chip?? -- A fool-proof method for sculpting an elephant: first, get a huge block of marble; then you chip away everything that doesn't look like an elephant. cheers Peter Harkess From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 18 23:03:47 1998 Message-ID: <35891018.A70B128E@purple.dircon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:03:20 +0100 From: Gavin Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Aaaannnd, again... References: <199806180042.BAA03557@ruby.comlab> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Length: 892 Lines: 20 Ian Collier wrote: > > On Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:02:15 EDT, Gouranga said: > > 2) Puzzling events. What from the history of the SAM would you like to know, > > but never found out because it was covered up / no-one knew / you only found > > out too late / you didn't want to ask questions / there was no-one to ask et > > etc. Anything at all > > Well the above has been called a troll but I might as well state the > obvious: who exactly is/are West Coast Computers and what has Bob got > against Dave Ledbury? > > There, I said it. Oh Jeeeeeesus! Not again! We've been through the above 5000 times and it's obvious we aren't going to get a decent or honest answer, so let's drop it! * Gavin Smith - ICQ:5099913 Email:gavin.smith@purple.dircon.co.uk * * IRC Undernet's #TheLocal, #SAM-Users as SparkY or SparkYY * * http://www.purple.dircon.co.uk/thelocal * From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 18 23:07:14 1998 From: Gouranga Message-ID: <3a5ca90e.35898e95@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 18:02:59 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Aaaannnd, again... So who's missing???? Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 168 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id XAA24748 Status: RO Content-Length: 1409 Lines: 93 For people, my current list is :- (And I apologise profusely to all those I've missed off - my brain only works on a handful of tracks, so I thought I'd mail the list and see if the abscense of names jolts anyone's memory....) Robin Alway Brian and Ron Cavers Colin Anderton Justin Ash Martin Bell Adrian + Delmont Betts Jon Binnie Edwin Blink Bob Brenchley Carol Brooksbank Graham Burtenshaw Darren Clarke Allan Clarkson Wayne Coles Andrew Collier Glen Cook Simon Cooke Mel Croucher Dan Doore Stefan Drissen Robin Evans Bruce Everiss Simon Field Allan Finlay Frantisek Fuka Brian Gaff Daniel Garner Jack Gibbons Charles Gill Phil Glover David Gommeren Keith Goodyer Bruce Gordon Mark Greenshields Mark Hall David Handley Roger Hartley Rob Holman Neil Holmes Matthew Holt Tim Humphries Guy Inchbald Bo Jangeborg Paul Jenkins Colin Jordan Roger Jowett Balor Knight Jonathan Lang Dave Ledbury Stuart Leonardi Bob ‘Lerm’ Evans Brian McConnell William McGugan Alan Miles Andy Monk Derek Morgan Jon Nash / Pillar Richard Naylor Brian Nutt Steve Nutting Adrian Parker Steven Pick Colin Pigott Chris Pile Nick Roberts Martin Rookyard Matt Round Simon Scott Simon Scott Ian Slavin Brent Stevens Duncan Stewart Mark Sturdy Garth Sumpter Steve Taylor Frode Tennebo Paul Thomas Dave Tonks Craig Turberfield John Wase Chris White Dave Whitmore Steven Wilson David Wornham Macij Wolosyzk Andy Wright Nev Young From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 18 23:07:15 1998 From: Gouranga Message-ID: <97e65de7.35898e8c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 18:02:40 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Aaaannnd, again... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 168 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 494 Lines: 13 I don't think Ian mentioned it to be answered on the list, but for me to add to the list - for which he gets my thanks. > > Well the above has been called a troll but I might as well state the > > obvious: who exactly is/are West Coast Computers and what has Bob got > > against Dave Ledbury? > > > > There, I said it. > > Oh Jeeeeeesus! Not again! We've been through the above 5000 times and it's > obvious we aren't going to get a decent or honest answer, so let's drop it! > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 18 23:13:04 1998 Message-Id: <199806182208.XAA21382@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> From: dave hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 23:07:56 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Aaaannnd, again... So who's missing???? In-reply-to: <3a5ca90e.35898e95@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 18 Lines: 3 Dave Tonks? dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 18 23:44:14 1998 From: David Ledbury at To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 22:33:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Re[2]: Z80A CPU's (Was Re: Advice: MIDI and Line INTs) In-reply-to: References: <199806162224.AAA23280@runix.runit.sintef.no> Message-Id: <19980618224024Z49211-30686+261@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 354 Lines: 16 > From: Peter Harkess > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > The writing on mine is... > GS > z80400b ps > z80a cpu > 8834 > and i'm quite sure that's a z80a chip?? Nope... it basically means : GS = Goldstar Z80400B = Z80B and the rest means it's a Z80a compatible... ie a Z80 B :) David From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jun 19 01:51:39 1998 From: Simon Cooke To: sam-users Subject: RE: Re[2]: Z80A CPU's (Was Re: Advice: MIDI and Line INTs) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 20:33:41 -0400 Message-ID: <000201bd9b19$e8c8bfc0$0a63accf@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: <19980618224024Z49211-30686+261@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 246 Lines: 12 > Nope... it basically means : GS = Goldstar Z80400B = Z80B > and the rest means it's a Z80a compatible... ie a Z80 B :) Are you sure? I thought that it was: Z84000 = Z80 Z84004 = Z80A Z84006 = Z80B Z84008 = Z80C Z84012 = Z80 high speed Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jun 19 11:39:55 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <254dc7b5.3586dd58@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:35:06 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Aaaannnd, again... X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1474 Lines: 32 At 10:02 pm +0100 16/6/98, wrote: >2) Puzzling events. What from the history of the SAM would you like to know, >but never found out because it was covered up / no-one knew / you only found >out too late / you didn't want to ask questions / there was no-one to ask etc >etc. Anything at all - how come Bo Jangeborg got involved, how did the name >SAM Coupe come about, who was this Arab bloke that was supposed to save SAMCo, >who is "samsboss" .... you get the idea. Here's another one.... What exactly is the story behind the game "Exodus"? It was going to be released by Revelation, and then it wasn't, and then the authors were going to sell it themselves, but then they didn't, and now it's sold by Persona. Why all the faffing around? I didn't read Fred at the time, but I did read Your Sinclair which mentioned "a certain other Sam publisher" apparently leading "a smear campaign against the game". Anybody feel like explaining that one so many years after the event? Andrew -- +----------------+-----------------------------+----------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | to a fool | +----------------+-----------------------------+ and he calls | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | you foolish | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | -- Euripides | +----------------------------------------------+----------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jun 19 14:11:37 1998 Message-ID: <358A615F.5649F419@purple.dircon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:02:23 +0100 From: Gavin Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Aaaannnd, again... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1114 Lines: 23 Andrew Collier wrote: > Here's another one.... > > What exactly is the story behind the game "Exodus"? It was going to be > released by Revelation, and then it wasn't, and then the authors were going > to sell it themselves, but then they didn't, and now it's sold by Persona. > Why all the faffing around? I didn't read Fred at the time, but I did read > Your Sinclair which mentioned "a certain other Sam publisher" apparently > leading "a smear campaign against the game". I think the authors did sell it themselves, at least for a time, as I know I bought my copy from them. I remember reading that in YS too, and assumed they were talking about Fred Publishing. I know I had reasons to believe this at that time, but I can't think what they were now. Sorry if I'm wrong Colin McD... Exodus was a great little game, both technically and playability wise. If you haven't seen it, I'd recommend that you do. -- * Gavin Smith - ICQ:5099913 Email:gavin.smith@purple.dircon.co.uk * * IRC Undernet's #TheLocal, #SAM-Users as SparkY or SparkYY * * http://www.purple.dircon.co.uk/thelocal * From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jun 19 16:08:55 1998 From: Matthew Craven Organization: Umist To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:03:02 BST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Aaaannnd, again... References: <254dc7b5.3586dd58@aol.com> In-reply-to: <19980616215309Z49202-17118+525@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.52) Message-ID: <3520BC7ACC@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 87 Lines: 5 > SAM - Some Amazing Micro I thought that was supposed to be Son of Alan Miles? MJC. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jun 19 18:04:28 1998 From: David Ledbury at To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:48:36 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Aaaannnd, again... In-reply-to: References: <254dc7b5.3586dd58@aol.com> Message-Id: <19980619165646Z49389-30686+536@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1612 Lines: 40 > Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:35:06 +0100 > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > From: Andrew Collier > Here's another one.... > > What exactly is the story behind the game "Exodus"? It was going to be > released by Revelation, and then it wasn't, and then the authors were going > to sell it themselves, but then they didn't, and now it's sold by Persona. > Why all the faffing around? I didn't read Fred at the time, but I did read > Your Sinclair which mentioned "a certain other Sam publisher" apparently > leading "a smear campaign against the game". > > Anybody feel like explaining that one so many years after the event? > > Andrew Easy. Apparently Fred wanted it... and at the time Colin was acting as Software Manager for Revelation Mark 2... so it was either going to end up on either of the two labels... if he got it (although AFAIK he wanted it purely for Fred)... However Neil wanted to release it himself as he wasn't happy with it going out at the 10 quid plus mark (as he told me a while ago) and therefore the story got about of how buggy and unplayable it was. Now I'm not pointing fingers... but the two events are rather coincidental - Fred not publishing it... and the accusations of Bugs/Unplayability. Anyone who has played it can certainly not say it's unplayable... bloody fast! (too fast for me!) but not unplayable. Maybe a few bugs... but nothing THAT bad... :) Chris is on the list IIR so he can probably remember some of the details! David PS: This was some time ago.. so please forgive me if I've the odd detail wrong ;) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jun 19 18:04:28 1998 From: David Ledbury at To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:48:37 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Aaaannnd, again... In-reply-to: <358A615F.5649F419@purple.dircon.co.uk> Message-Id: <19980619165646Z49390-30686+537@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1379 Lines: 32 > Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:02:23 +0100 > From: Gavin Smith > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Andrew Collier wrote: > > > Here's another one.... > > > > What exactly is the story behind the game "Exodus"? It was going to be > > released by Revelation, and then it wasn't, and then the authors were going > > to sell it themselves, but then they didn't, and now it's sold by Persona. > > Why all the faffing around? I didn't read Fred at the time, but I did read > > Your Sinclair which mentioned "a certain other Sam publisher" apparently > > leading "a smear campaign against the game". > > I think the authors did sell it themselves, at least for a time, as I know I > bought my copy from them. I remember reading that in YS too, and assumed they > were talking about Fred Publishing. I know I had reasons to believe this at that > time, but I can't think what they were now. Sorry if I'm wrong Colin McD... Yeah, and then they passed the distribution (and later whole Copyright to Phoenix... and they reckoned I sold more copied then they did ;) AFAIK it was Fred actually. (But I *MAY* be wrong!) > Exodus was a great little game, both technically and playability wise. If you > haven't seen it, I'd recommend that you do. Was, and still is! Everything that KABOOM! Should be... if it is EVER DONE! > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jun 19 18:04:29 1998 From: David Ledbury at To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:48:36 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Aaaannnd, again... References: <19980616215309Z49202-17118+525@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> In-reply-to: <3520BC7ACC@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> Message-Id: <19980619165646Z49395-30686+538@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 501 Lines: 16 > From: "Matthew Craven" > Organization: Umist > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:03:02 BST > Subject: Re: Aaaannnd, again... > Reply-to: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Date: Fri, 19 Jun 98 17:40:47 BST > > SAM - Some Amazing Micro > > I thought that was supposed to be Son of Alan Miles? > > MJC. No ... that was the jokey other option given in YS... besides which IIR Alan's son was called Edwin :) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jun 19 18:04:40 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3a5ca90e.35898e95@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 17:57:39 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Aaaannnd, again... So who's missing???? X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1076 Lines: 39 At 11:02 pm +0100 18/6/98, wrote: >For people, my current list is :- > >(And I apologise profusely to all those I've missed off - my brain only works >on a handful of tracks, so I thought I'd mail the list and see if the abscense >of names jolts anyone's memory....) Some other people (mostly programmers) off the top of my head: Sean Bernard Darren Blackburn Marc Broster Bob Brunsden Ian Collier Steve + Terry Ekins Martin Fitzpatrick Paul Horridge David Laundon Howard Price Allan Skillman Michael Stocks Dean Alan Tattershall Robert Van Der Veeke Lee Willis David Zambonini Andrew -- +----------------+-----------------------------+----------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | to a fool | +----------------+-----------------------------+ and he calls | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | you foolish | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | -- Euripides | +----------------------------------------------+----------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jun 19 18:35:17 1998 From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Aaaannnd, again... So who's missing???? Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 17:10:57 GMT Message-ID: <35949a8f.18407403@mail.enterprise.net> References: <3a5ca90e.35898e95@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <3a5ca90e.35898e95@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 453 Lines: 18 On Thu, 18 Jun 1998 18:02:59 EDT, wrote: Hi Colin >For people, my current list is :- > >(And I apologise profusely to all those I've missed off - my brain only works >on a handful of tracks, so I thought I'd mail the list and see if the abscense >of names jolts anyone's memory....) Please don't forget mensh Nigel Kettlewell - Days of Sorcery, and Mark Turner (Samurai Software) for his adventure Sheriff Gunn. Thanks Dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jun 19 18:35:25 1998 Message-Id: <199806191717.TAA10378@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: Aaaannnd, again... So who's missing???? Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:17:50 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 795 Lines: 25 > Van: Andrew Collier > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Onderwerp: Re: Aaaannnd, again... So who's missing???? > Datum: Friday, June 19, 1998 6:57 > > At 11:02 pm +0100 18/6/98, wrote: > >For people, my current list is :- > > > >(And I apologise profusely to all those I've missed off - my brain only works > >on a handful of tracks, so I thought I'd mail the list and see if the abscense > >of names jolts anyone's memory....) > > Some other people (mostly programmers) off the top of my head: > Robert Van Der Veeke , but actually I am not the programmer, Martijn Groen is, so put him on the list as well. -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Mind you if we call you "Bruce", it might otherwise cause some confusion. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jun 19 20:31:19 1998 From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Aaaannnd, again... Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 17:36:55 GMT Message-ID: <35989e96.19437926@mail.enterprise.net> References: <254dc7b5.3586dd58@aol.com> <3520BC7ACC@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <3520BC7ACC@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 264 Lines: 15 On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:03:02 BST, Matthew Craven wrote: Hi >> SAM - Some Amazing Micro > >I thought that was supposed to be Son of Alan Miles? Alan never had such a big ego. :) Bye, _ |_)ave (/\)hitmore http://homepages.enterprise.net/davewhitmore/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jun 19 20:31:20 1998 From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Aaaannnd, again... Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 17:36:52 GMT Message-ID: <35969d7b.19154581@mail.enterprise.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 791 Lines: 20 On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:35:06 +0100, Andrew Collier wrote: >What exactly is the story behind the game "Exodus"? It was going to be >released by Revelation, and then it wasn't, and then the authors were going >to sell it themselves, but then they didn't, and now it's sold by Persona. >Why all the faffing around? I didn't read Fred at the time, but I did read >Your Sinclair which mentioned "a certain other Sam publisher" apparently >leading "a smear campaign against the game". I remember there was something strange surrounding that game. I was after a copy at one of the shows (either the first or second) and I had to buy it from the man himself - Neil Holmes. Still, he only charged me a fiver. :-) Bye, _ |_)ave (/\)hitmore http://homepages.enterprise.net/davewhitmore/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jun 19 20:31:20 1998 From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Aaaannnd, again... Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 17:36:53 GMT Message-ID: <359a9f10.19559749@mail.enterprise.net> References: <358A615F.5649F419@purple.dircon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <358A615F.5649F419@purple.dircon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 434 Lines: 15 On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:02:23 +0100, Gavin Smith wrote: >Exodus was a great little game, both technically and playability wise. If you >haven't seen it, I'd recommend that you do. I think I only played it a couple of times, It didn't seem too addictive - a bit too fast and furious for my liking. That's why I suspect Fred probably didn't want it? Bye, _ |_)ave (/\)hitmore http://homepages.enterprise.net/davewhitmore/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jun 19 20:31:21 1998 From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Aaaannnd, again... So who's missing???? Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 17:36:57 GMT Message-ID: <359da13c.20116307@mail.enterprise.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 276 Lines: 11 On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 17:57:39 +0100, Andrew Collier wrote: two more - David Munden - adventures Adie Nunn - cute disk mags (Chips & Pump) Oh - and don't forget Martijn Groen! Bye, _ |_)ave (/\)hitmore http://homepages.enterprise.net/davewhitmore/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jun 19 20:31:33 1998 From: Gouranga Message-ID: <5e647a2d.358ab1dc@aol.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:45:47 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Thanks. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 168 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 80 Lines: 3 OK, thanks for the suggestions - that's given me a few extra areas to cover. C From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jun 19 20:37:25 1998 From: David Ledbury at To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 18:34:01 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Aaaannnd, again... So who's missing???? In-reply-to: References: <3a5ca90e.35898e95@aol.com> Message-Id: <19980619193445Z49329-30686+564@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1259 Lines: 42 > Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 17:57:39 +0100 > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > From: Andrew Collier > Subject: Re: Aaaannnd, again... So who's missing???? > Reply-to: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Date: Fri, 19 Jun 98 19:34:43 BST > At 11:02 pm +0100 18/6/98, wrote: > >For people, my current list is :- > > > >(And I apologise profusely to all those I've missed off - my brain only works > >on a handful of tracks, so I thought I'd mail the list and see if the abscense > >of names jolts anyone's memory....) > > Some other people (mostly programmers) off the top of my head: > > Darren Blackburn Last I heard was a partner in a ceramics business called "Da Vinci's"... strangley enough based only round the corner from where I, Darren, Martin Scholes, Matthew Holt, and co met up in the first place... :) > Howard Price Who derserves a great pat on the back for the snazzy menu for Blitz 7... and other things he's working on :) > Michael Stocks Hmmmm.... Zodiac.... Nice magazine... > Robert Van Der Veeke Another graphical genius....! > Lee Willis A great musician, a great coder... and a Scouser :) Only kidding! And what about Gordon Wallis as well for the list? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jun 19 20:40:10 1998 From: David Ledbury at To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:30:04 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Aaaannnd, again... In-reply-to: <35969d7b.19154581@mail.enterprise.net> References: Message-Id: <19980619193652Z49435-30686+565@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 526 Lines: 12 > From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Subject: Re: Aaaannnd, again... > > I remember there was something strange surrounding that game. I was > after a copy at one of the shows (either the first or second) and I > had to buy it from the man himself - Neil Holmes. Still, he only > charged me a fiver. :-) Because only 3 people ever sold : Neil Holmes... myself - when he was finding it too much hassle and obviously Malcolm later on when he took over Phoenix. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jun 20 00:08:49 1998 From: Simon Cooke To: sam-users Subject: Email address change and logging off Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 18:17:04 -0400 Message-ID: <000201bd9bcf$fcfe4620$6a33accf@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 772 Lines: 26 Hey folks... As of June 25th, I'll be unsubscribing from the mailing list. Also, this email address (simon.cooke@erols.com) will be unusable, so change your bookmarks to: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk which should work for a while longer. The reason? My boss found out that I'm moving to Microsoft in October. So he fired me. June 26th is my last day, and I'm going to have a very boring three months. I'm hoping to do a lot of jogging, and maybe wash windscreens for a living in the interim. Or even perhaps just possibly finish my assembler, finish my novel, and finish my web pages :) Have a good one folks. Simon ps. I'm going to see if I can sue the pants off him. Apparently it's highly illegal to fire someone for taking another job at some point in the future. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jun 20 00:17:22 1998 Message-Id: <9806192313.AA05568@mars.cableol.net> From: Neil Maynard To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 00:17:26 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Email address change and logging off In-Reply-To: <000201bd9bcf$fcfe4620$6a33accf@default> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 909 Lines: 35 Simon, Sorry to hear about your misfortune - Sue the bastards I say!! Neil > Hey folks... > > As of June 25th, I'll be unsubscribing from the mailing list. Also, this > email address (simon.cooke@erols.com) will be unusable, so change your > bookmarks to: > > simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk > > which should work for a while longer. > > The reason? > > My boss found out that I'm moving to Microsoft in October. So he fired me. > June 26th is my last day, and I'm going to have a very boring three months. > I'm hoping to do a lot of jogging, and maybe wash windscreens for a living > in the interim. > > Or even perhaps just possibly finish my assembler, finish my novel, and > finish my web pages :) > > Have a good one folks. > > Simon > > ps. I'm going to see if I can sue the pants off him. Apparently it's highly > illegal to fire someone for taking another job at some point in the future. > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jun 20 00:25:29 1998 From: David Ledbury at To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 23:12:27 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Email address change and logging off In-reply-to: <9806192313.AA05568@mars.cableol.net> References: <000201bd9bcf$fcfe4620$6a33accf@default> Message-Id: <19980619231909Z49446-271+24@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 455 Lines: 18 > From: "Neil Maynard" > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 00:17:26 +0000 > Subject: Re: Email address change and logging off > Reply-to: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Date: Sat, 20 Jun 98 00:17:43 BST > Simon, > > Sorry to hear about your misfortune - Sue the bastards I say!! > > Neil Same here! Hope u can still keep in contact with us bunch of half-wits :) David From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jun 20 00:58:25 1998 From: PGLOVER43 Message-ID: <6b47e49b.358afa7b@aol.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:55:38 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Email address change and logging off Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 168 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 227 Lines: 7 Sorry to hear about the sacking. You're not in a union I suppose? They're very good at the legal aspects of such happenings, and I'd recommend anyone joining one if only for legal advice, etc. Good luck, anyway. Phil Glover. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jun 20 01:05:18 1998 From: David Ledbury at To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 23:53:21 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Email address change and logging off In-reply-to: <6b47e49b.358afa7b@aol.com> Message-Id: <19980619235957Z49442-271+28@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 618 Lines: 21 > From: > Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:55:38 EDT > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Subject: Re: Email address change and logging off > Reply-to: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Date: Sat, 20 Jun 98 00:58:48 BST > Sorry to hear about the sacking. You're not in a union I suppose? They're very > good at the legal aspects of such happenings, and I'd recommend anyone joining > one if only for legal advice, etc. Trouble with the yanks... they tend to compare that sort of thing with Communism and so on :( > Good luck, anyway. Hear hear! > Phil Glover. > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jun 20 12:17:43 1998 From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Thanks. Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 10:08:51 GMT Message-ID: <358ce272.36812221@mail.enterprise.net> References: <5e647a2d.358ab1dc@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <5e647a2d.358ab1dc@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 719 Lines: 20 On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:45:47 EDT, wrote: >OK, thanks for the suggestions - that's given me a few extra areas to cover. How big is this book gonna be anyway!? :-) On a more serious note - p'raps, in the course of your research, you should contact the people who are contactable easily for the sake of accuracy on certain points. I know it'll be hard to get the balance right, but sketchy details can sometimes spoil something like this (Don't you think he already knows that - Ed!). Simon was right - events are quickly slipping back into the mists of time. This should be a really interesting read when it's done. Bye, _ |_)ave (/\)hitmore http://homepages.enterprise.net/davewhitmore/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jun 20 12:17:56 1998 Message-Id: <199806201115.NAA06660@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: Email address change and logging off Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 13:17:52 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 957 Lines: 25 > Van: David Ledbury at > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Onderwerp: Re: Email address change and logging off > Datum: Saturday, June 20, 1998 1:53 > > Sorry to hear about the sacking. You're not in a union I suppose? They're very > > good at the legal aspects of such happenings, and I'd recommend anyone joining > > one if only for legal advice, etc. > > Trouble with the yanks... they tend to compare that sort of thing > with Communism and so on :( Ohh Flashback: 11 years ago while i was in the Dutch army as a conscript (is this right?). My company was stationed in Germany together with a Belgium and American unit. Talking about the Dutch Army Unions(*) was a big NONO when there where Americans in the same room. -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Mind you if we call you "Bruce", it might otherwise cause some confusion. (*)I was member of the VVDM, Vereniging Van Dienstplichtige Militairen From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jun 20 12:24:02 1998 From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Email address change and logging off Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 10:34:59 GMT Message-ID: <358b8ef1.2243537@mail.enterprise.net> References: <000201bd9bcf$fcfe4620$6a33accf@default> In-Reply-To: <000201bd9bcf$fcfe4620$6a33accf@default> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 362 Lines: 16 On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 18:17:04 -0400, Simon Cooke wrote: >My boss found out that I'm moving to Microsoft in October. So he fired me. >June 26th is my last day, How did Bob find out your bosses phone number? Ooops, sorry, I just couldn't resist that one. :-) You'll survive Si. A few months jogging and washing cars never hurt anyone. :) All the best Dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jun 20 13:29:14 1998 From: Gouranga Message-ID: <25e3711.358baa84@aol.com> Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 08:26:43 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Thanks. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 168 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1704 Lines: 37 Between draft stuff and very rough notes, I've done about 40,000 words so far. Several years ago I wrote to a lot of people to get them to write stuff for it - Colin Anderton, Adrian Parker etc contributed about 20,000 words, and the plan is to sit down with a tape recorder in front of as many as possible - already done bits of this with Bob and Bruce. But it's got a long, long way to go - and the way I envisage it, it'll be typical book length, but I'd make all the stuff that didn't make it in available for the record. But I can never get too much stuff - so if anyone has *any* stuff that I may not have, at the moment I'm after recordings of MGT's SAM hotline, any news, questions, names, or if anyone's brave enough, their own SAM story, it would all be useful. Assuming it does eventually appear, this book won't be a "FRED" product. It'll be as honest and accurate desciption of the story of SAM, and that includes the truths behind my doings - which were not always what people would like to think. This is not meant to be my version of events, it's meant to be a record of actual events. And hey, if nothing else, it's got me posting to this list! > How big is this book gonna be anyway!? :-) > > On a more serious note - p'raps, in the course of your research, you > should contact the people who are contactable easily for the sake of > accuracy on certain points. I know it'll be hard to get the balance > right, but sketchy details can sometimes spoil something like this > (Don't you think he already knows that - Ed!). Simon was right - > events are quickly slipping back into the mists of time. > > This should be a really interesting read when it's done. > > From imc Sat Jun 20 17:10:15 1998 Subject: Re: Email address change and logging off In-Reply-To: <000201bd9bcf$fcfe4620$6a33accf@default> from Simon Cooke at "Jun 19, 98 06:17:04 pm" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 17:10:15 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 217 Lines: 7 On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 18:17:04 -0400, Simon Cooke said: > My boss found out that I'm moving to Microsoft in October. So he fired me. You didn't tell him? The whole rest of the civilised world seems to know. :-) imc From imc Sat Jun 20 17:20:09 1998 Subject: Re: Re[2]: Z80A CPU's (Was Re: Advice: MIDI and Line INTs) In-Reply-To: <000201bd9b19$e8c8bfc0$0a63accf@default> from Simon Cooke at "Jun 18, 98 08:33:41 pm" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 17:20:09 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 871 Lines: 31 On Thu, 18 Jun 1998 20:33:41 -0400, Simon Cooke said: > > Nope... it basically means : GS = Goldstar Z80400B = Z80B > > and the rest means it's a Z80a compatible... ie a Z80 B :) > Are you sure? I thought that it was: > Z84000 = Z80 > Z84004 = Z80A > Z84006 = Z80B > Z84008 = Z80C > Z84012 = Z80 high speed Depends on the manufacturer, I suppose. I have a list of SGS part numbers which contains things like... Z80 CPU Z8400B1 Plastic 0 - 70 degrees C Z8400B6 Plastic -40 - 85 Z8400F1 Frit Seal 0 - 70 Z8400F6 Frit Seal -40 - 85 Z8400D1 Ceramic 0 - 70 Z8400D6 Ceramic -40 - 85 Z8400D2 Ceramic -55 - 125 Z80A CPU Z8400AB1 Plastic 0 - 70 Z8400AB6 Plastic -40 - 85 ... Z80B CPU Z8400BB1 Plastic 0 - 70 Z8400BB6 Plastic -40 - 85 ... imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jun 20 19:12:52 1998 From: David Ledbury at To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 18:03:11 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Email address change and logging off In-reply-to: <199806201610.RAA10131@ruby.comlab> References: <000201bd9bcf$fcfe4620$6a33accf@default> from Simon Cooke at "Jun 19, 98 06:17:04 pm" Message-Id: <19980620180954Z49490-271+136@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 396 Lines: 11 > From: Ian Collier > Subject: Re: Email address change and logging off > On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 18:17:04 -0400, Simon Cooke said: > > My boss found out that I'm moving to Microsoft in October. So he fired me. > > You didn't tell him? The whole rest of the civilised world seems to > know. :-) > > imc Since when has this list been counted as civilised? :) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jun 20 19:32:39 1998 From: David Ledbury at To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 18:22:39 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Andrew Gale... where is he? Message-Id: <19980620182920Z49494-271+139@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 24 Lines: 3 See the above ;) David From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jun 20 19:32:39 1998 From: Gouranga Message-ID: <6aafd7df.358bff5f@aol.com> Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 14:28:46 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: More fame for SAM.... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 168 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1290 Lines: 27 Well, kind of... Remember if you will, FRED in it's early days. A certain program listing appeared in Format pertaining to be the only "one-line game". This same idea was taken by a few others, including our own Dan Doore, and developed into slightly more complicated versions with snazzier graphics, progression of levels, and scoring systems. Fast forward six or seven years and I'm having a conversation at work about the simplest games possible - we were trying to establish the principles of what makes a game - and I was challenged to prove there was a simpler game than Pong. Cue the "lines" game - the one-button game. This was developed in half an hour, and over the course of the next few weeks, had dozens and dozens of features added and tweaked to try to work out how to improve a game. It became part of our interviews. It had people slacking from work in order to play it. And now, in this month's issue (60) of Edge magazine, where they do an epic five page write-up on some of the games in development at DMA, the very first one they mention is "Faster Worm Slow", the DMA incarnation of the "lines" game as it appeared on FRED! I've never been able to find the original Format article, or if anyone can trace the game idea further back, I'd very much appreciate it. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jun 20 19:58:43 1998 From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Andrew Gale... where is he? Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 18:54:26 GMT Message-ID: <359202d4.31915325@mail.enterprise.net> References: <19980620182920Z49494-271+139@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> In-Reply-To: <19980620182920Z49494-271+139@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 197 Lines: 15 On Sat, 20 Jun 1998 18:22:39 +0000, David Ledbury at wrote: >See the above ;) > >David Call me a dumb thick potato head (you're a dumb thick potato head - Ed), but I don't get it? :) Dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jun 21 00:13:27 1998 From: David Ledbury at To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 23:02:41 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Andrew Gale... where is he? In-reply-to: <359202d4.31915325@mail.enterprise.net> References: <19980620182920Z49494-271+139@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Message-Id: <19980620230928Z49500-271+170@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 534 Lines: 23 > From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Subject: Re: Andrew Gale... where is he? > Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 18:54:26 GMT > Reply-to: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Date: Sun, 21 Jun 98 00:03:40 BST > On Sat, 20 Jun 1998 18:22:39 +0000, David Ledbury at wrote: > > > > >See the above ;) > > > >David > > Call me a dumb thick potato head (you're a dumb thick potato head - > Ed), but I don't get it? :) > Your a thick potato head! See the topic ;) David From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jun 21 01:27:15 1998 From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Andrew Gale... where is he? Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 00:23:58 GMT Message-ID: <3590525b.2696781@mail.enterprise.net> References: <19980620182920Z49494-271+139@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> <19980620230928Z49500-271+170@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> In-Reply-To: <19980620230928Z49500-271+170@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 777 Lines: 35 On Sat, 20 Jun 1998 23:02:41 +0000, David Ledbury at wrote: >> >See the above ;) >> > >> >David >> >> Call me a dumb thick potato head (you're a dumb thick potato head - >> Ed), but I don't get it? :) >> >Your a thick potato head! You're too kind. You didn't include the 'dumb' bit. :o) For that I'll take you out of my annihilation file, temporarily. :-) >See the topic ;) > >David Ah, so you're Andrew! You were in disguise all along!!! Tsk, and there was I thinking you were David. I should have known you weren't cool enough to go under the name of Dave. Samsboss, all is forgiven! :-) Unless of course I'm talking to the same person. Hey, you're really Bob aren't you? Ha! ;-) Bye, _ |_)ave (/\)hitmore http://homepages.enterprise.net/davewhitmore/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jun 21 01:35:39 1998 From: David Ledbury at To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 00:23:04 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Andrew Gale... where is he? In-reply-to: <3590525b.2696781@mail.enterprise.net> References: <19980620230928Z49500-271+170@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Message-Id: <19980621002947Z49506-271+183@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 586 Lines: 21 > From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Subject: Re: Andrew Gale... where is he? > > Ah, so you're Andrew! You were in disguise all along!!! Tsk, and there > was I thinking you were David. I should have known you weren't cool > enough to go under the name of Dave. Samsboss, all is forgiven! :-) > > Unless of course I'm talking to the same person. Hey, you're really > Bob aren't you? Ha! ;-) > > > > > Bye, > _ > |_)ave > (/\)hitmore http://homepages.enterprise.net/davewhitmore/ > And I thought I was drunk! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jun 21 16:27:03 1998 From: nevilley@nfy53.demon.co.uk (Nev Young) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Cc: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk Subject: Re: Email address change and logging off Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 15:23:21 GMT Organization: nfy53 Message-ID: <3592248b.10441414@post.demon.co.uk> References: <000201bd9bcf$fcfe4620$6a33accf@default> In-Reply-To: <000201bd9bcf$fcfe4620$6a33accf@default> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2000 Lines: 53 On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 18:17:04 -0400, "Simon Cooke" wrote: > Hey folks... > > > ps. I'm going to see if I can sue the pants off him. Apparently it's highly > illegal to fire someone for taking another job at some point in the future. > I hate to say this but it probably isn't. (Others may want to take this as a warning if they haven't heard it before) Up until about the start of the 90s it was not uncommon for s/w engineers to have a clause written into their contract that they could not work for another company in the same field (ie writing s/w) within six months to a year of leaving. This was to *protect* the work in development of the previous employer, as that work would be out of date by the time you were allowed to work. This is now, in the UK at least, illegal. However, your previous company could argue, and prolly will, that if you were allowed to stay in work then their developments could be endangered. It is also the case that new employers will avoid having you work in a similar area to a previous employer for fear of getting sued by the first employer. I'm too hung over to remember dates and names, but I'm sure we have all heard of s/w teams leaving one company to go elsewhere and them producing almost the same systems with the resultant law suits. One way of preventing this is to be self employed, eg set up a ltd company, and then sell your services through that company. This is one of the, many, reasons that freelance programmers work that way. It aint fair. but it's life. I would suggest you just go on a bender[1] and slag off your previous employer rather than throwing you limited finances at a lawsuit. [1] getting very very drunk not sleeping with ... Oh you know what I mean. [posted to list and direct to simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk] -- Nev - no longer at nevilley@ndirect.co.uk and getting no spam at all (yet) Webpage under construction at www,nfy53,demon,co,uk also hiding on ICQ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jun 21 20:21:53 1998 From: Simon Cooke To: sam-users Subject: RE: Email address change and logging off Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 14:57:28 -0400 Message-ID: <000101bd9d46$6fa07460$4d27accf@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <3592248b.10441414@post.demon.co.uk> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1675 Lines: 37 > Up until about the start of the 90s it was not uncommon for s/w > engineers to have a clause written into their contract that they could > not work for another company in the same field (ie writing s/w) within > six months to a year of leaving. This was to *protect* the work in > development of the previous employer, as that work would be out of > date by the time you were allowed to work. This is now, in the UK at > least, illegal. However, your previous company could argue, and prolly > will, that if you were allowed to stay in work then their developments > could be endangered. Thing is, netFUSION in the UK had such a contract. I haven't got any kind of contract or guidelines here. Not even a non-disclosure agreement :) > It is also the case that new employers will avoid having you work in a > similar area to a previous employer for fear of getting sued by the > first employer. Oh yeah -- that's already the case :) > I'm too hung over to remember dates and names, but I'm sure we have > all heard of s/w teams leaving one company to go elsewhere and them > producing almost the same systems with the resultant law suits. > > One way of preventing this is to be self employed, eg set up a ltd > company, and then sell your services through that company. This is one > of the, many, reasons that freelance programmers work that way. > > It aint fair. > but it's life. > > I would suggest you just go on a bender[1] and slag off your previous > employer rather than throwing you limited finances at a lawsuit. I'm thinking of just informing the copyright police about the large number of software license infringements in evidence around here :) Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 22 00:05:54 1998 Message-Id: <9806212258.AA13881@mars.cableol.net> From: Neil Maynard To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 00:02:38 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: SimCoupe Problem X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 380 Lines: 15 Hi, I have a problem with SimCoupe v0.78 (and 0.74) in that when I start it up it loads fine but after typing a few lines of basic I can't type the same character twice in a row or sometimes even trice every three or four characters!!! Anyone got any ideas what the problem could be ?? PS. I've got a AMD K6 166Mhz CPU, and am running it under Win 95 Thanks Neil Maynard From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 22 00:24:57 1998 Message-Id: <9806212321.AA24367@mars.cableol.net> From: Neil Maynard To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 00:25:50 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: SimCoupe Problem In-Reply-To: <9806212258.AA13881@mars.cableol.net> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 504 Lines: 24 I've just discovered that v0.72 seems to work OK. Allan - whats going on ???? Neil > Hi, > > I have a problem with SimCoupe v0.78 (and 0.74) in that when I start > it up it loads fine but after typing a few lines of basic I can't > type the same character twice in a row or sometimes even trice every > three or four characters!!! > > Anyone got any ideas what the problem could be ?? > > PS. I've got a AMD K6 166Mhz CPU, and am running it under Win 95 > > > Thanks > > Neil Maynard > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 22 08:37:03 1998 Message-Id: From: Dan Doore Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 8:32:04 +0000 To: Gouranga@aol.com, sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: RE: More fame for SAM.... MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /310000000/310102093/310102123/310460310/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 101" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 766 Lines: 24 > This same idea was taken by a few others, including our own > Dan Doore, and developed into slightly more complicated > versions with snazzier graphics, progression of levels, and > scoring systems. Wahoo!, free advertising ;-) The one and not-only 'Laser Dodge' available at ftp://ftp.nvg.ntnu.no/pub/sam-coupe/games/bangames.zip :-) There were also three player versions of this written, I even had a slight bash at re-writing it in Sam C... > I've never been able to find the original Format article, or > if anyone can trace the game idea further back, I'd very much > appreciate it. I, un-suprisingly, have a copy at home I will dig it out for you. Dan. Work: dan@armature.com Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 22 21:42:51 1998 Message-ID: <358EC0B6.5819C59A@purple.dircon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 21:38:14 +0100 From: Gavin Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Highest offer takes the lot! References: <726fef42.35615ff8@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 635 Lines: 10 Okay, I'm now getting desperate, trying to get rid of these Formats I have for sale. I'm moving house soon, so basically need the room. They're all in mint condition. Format Vol. 6 No. 9 to Vol. 11 No. 8. (60 issues) - basically the last 60 issues. Lot's of reading! Enjoy the unbiased editorials! Interesting features! Letters written by real people! Enjoy all this and more if you buy my collection of Formats, first 15 quid gets the lot, or highest offer. (Failing that, they end up in the bin I'm afraid). Also have a printer interface for sale for a fiver. Everything's in mint condition! It's a once in a lifetime offer! Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 22 21:52:47 1998 From: David Ledbury at To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 20:39:12 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Highest offer takes the lot! In-reply-to: <358EC0B6.5819C59A@purple.dircon.co.uk> Message-Id: <19980622204557Z49328-26145+182@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 995 Lines: 21 > Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 21:38:14 +0100 > From: Gavin Smith > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Subject: Highest offer takes the lot! > Reply-to: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Date: Mon, 22 Jun 98 21:44:41 BST > Okay, I'm now getting desperate, trying to get rid of these Formats I have for > sale. I'm moving house soon, so basically need the room. They're all in mint > condition. Format Vol. 6 No. 9 to Vol. 11 No. 8. (60 issues) - basically the > last 60 issues. Lot's of reading! Enjoy the unbiased editorials! Interesting > features! Letters written by real people! Enjoy all this and more if you buy my > collection of Formats, first 15 quid gets the lot, or highest offer. (Failing > that, they end up in the bin I'm afraid). Also have a printer interface for sale > for a fiver. Everything's in mint condition! It's a once in a lifetime offer! > > Gavin 2 pounds for the Formats... Is it a bi-directional I/F? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 23 10:19:20 1998 Message-Id: From: Dan Doore Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 10:12:25 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: RE: More fame for SAM.... MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /310000000/310102093/310102123/310460310/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 101" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 333 Lines: 16 > I've never been able to find the original Format article, or > if anyone can > trace the game idea further back, I'd very much appreciate it. 'Short Spot' P10 Volume 4 No 1 September 1990 Sent in by 'Han of Haslemere, Surrey' Dan. Work: dan@armature.com Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 23 12:53:35 1998 From: "E.P.R.P. Blink" Organization: Hanzehogeschool Groningen To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:49:51 MET Subject: B-DOS Update X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <1076D613C6D@mail1.pl.hanze.nl> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 185 Lines: 8 I just found out that the Hookcodes: HSVBK, HVEBK, HLDBK, HSBYT, HLBYTE, HCFSM don't work correctly with B-DOS versions up to 1.4c. these are corrected in version 1.4d Edwin Blink From imc Wed Jun 24 13:16:47 1998 Subject: Archive To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 13:16:47 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 167 Lines: 6 The sam-users archive now contains 1800 more messages. What's more, you now have a choice of formats to download in. http://ruby.comlab.ox.ac.uk/imc/sam-users/ imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jun 24 18:11:58 1998 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 18:08:01 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Dave Subject: Re: SimCoupe Problem MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 791 Lines: 24 >I have a problem with SimCoupe v0.78 (and 0.74) in that when I start >it up it loads fine but after typing a few lines of basic I can't >type the same character twice in a row or sometimes even trice every >three or four characters!!! commonly known as the 'simcoupe's keyboard handling code is shafted' problem. given half a chance (ie, a set of simcoupe source files that'd actually compile) i'd rewrite it myself until it works properly. for the time being, live with it. it's not great. you 'might' have better luck if you use simcoupe in plain ol' DOS. (although... probably not) here's a great example though: Press (and hold) shift. Now, press (and hold) the '8' key and then, very shortly afterwards, release the shift key, followed by releasing the '8' key spooks! dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 25 13:09:15 1998 Message-Id: From: Dan Doore Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 10:42:39 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: RE: More fame for SAM.... MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /310000000/310102093/310102123/310460310/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 101" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 968 Lines: 22 > And now, in this month's issue (60) of Edge magazine, where > they do an epic five page write-up on some of the games in > development at DMA, the very first one they mention is > "Faster Worm Slow", the DMA incarnation of the "lines" > game as it appeared on FRED! Here is the extract from Edge: "Faster Worm Slow is possibly the simplest videogame EDGE has ever seen. In it, a solitary pixel glides across a dark pong-like screen, its direction changed by a single button press to avoid a series of stationary blocks. There is no scrolling, there are no frames of animation and certainly no texture-mapped, Z-buffered 3D. It's as antiquated as videogaming can possibly get, and yet DMA's designers have been spending time playing around with it (and other rudimentary concepts), to further its own understanding of what makes gameplay work." Dan. Work: dan@armature.com Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/ From imc Thu Jun 25 17:38:48 1998 Subject: More conspiracy theories... To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 17:38:48 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 3032 Lines: 72 I took collected postings from 11 list members starting in October 1996 and attempted to extract the text from them (excluding headers, sigs and quoted things). I thought it might fuel the conspiracy theories if I invented some silly analysis techniques and tried them out. It might be of interest to know the verbosity of each person, so, counting the number of words extracted from each player (and I apologise to those who were left out - and to those who were included, for that matter - it was just an almost-random sampling of list members), we have: 73144 bob.words 66890 cookie.words 49559 andrew.words 45106 imc.words 28029 davehooper.words 25964 gavin.words 18147 samsboss.words 10413 bill.words 6971 robert.words 5338 dave.words [that's Dave Ledbury by the way] 3117 matthew.words 332678 total It's been suggested to me that I might measure the relative frequencies of different lengths of word. So, for example, it turns out that 5.3% of all my words contain a single letter, while I output 19.8% four-letter words (!). In the following table the number in the ith column is the percentage of i-letter words. andrew 4.5 17.7 20.5 19.5 11.5 8.0 6.8 5.1 3.0 1.7 0.9 0.4 0.2 0.1 bill 4.8 18.7 23.6 21.7 11.5 7.0 5.5 3.4 2.2 0.9 0.5 0.0 0.0 0.0 bob 4.8 19.3 22.5 21.0 11.8 7.3 5.4 3.7 2.3 1.1 0.5 0.2 0.1 0.0 cookie 5.3 18.5 21.0 19.5 11.2 8.4 6.0 4.3 2.7 1.5 0.8 0.3 0.2 0.1 dave 4.9 17.3 21.2 20.6 11.2 8.5 6.8 4.0 2.6 1.8 0.6 0.3 0.2 0.0 davehooper 5.9 17.3 22.1 18.9 12.2 8.1 5.4 4.2 3.1 1.3 0.8 0.3 0.2 0.1 gavin 5.3 17.5 23.0 20.8 12.1 7.8 5.7 3.9 2.1 1.1 0.4 0.2 0.1 0.0 imc 5.3 18.7 21.4 19.8 11.0 7.8 6.6 4.2 2.5 1.4 0.8 0.4 0.1 0.0 matthew 5.7 18.7 21.9 22.2 10.3 6.9 6.0 3.7 2.1 1.3 0.6 0.1 0.2 0.0 robert 5.6 19.3 23.1 20.4 12.6 5.8 6.0 3.5 2.2 0.9 0.5 0.1 0.0 0.0 samsboss 4.9 19.3 23.8 22.4 11.6 6.7 4.6 3.3 1.7 1.0 0.4 0.1 0.1 0.0 It's possible to correlate different lines in this table to see how similar they are and thus find out who is a clone of whom. As you can see they are all pretty close to each other (which probably goes to show that we are all writing in English) so the results should be taken with a pinch of salt. Anyway, the *least* correlated are: davehooper + matthew 0.9813 andrew + samsboss 0.9836 dave + robert 0.9836 andrew + robert 0.9855 andrew + matthew 0.9865 but the *most* correlated are: davehooper + gavin 0.9962 bob + cookie 0.9963 andrew + cookie 0.9964 andrew + imc 0.9964 bob + imc 0.9966 bill + gavin 0.9971 bob + samsboss 0.9971 bill + bob 0.9980 bill + samsboss 0.9985 cookie + imc 0.9988 Erk! I'm a clone of Simon! Apart from that, I find the next three results very interesting indeed. :-) More later... imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 25 18:59:09 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 13:55:35 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: More conspiracy theories... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows sub 178 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 520 Lines: 24 In a message dated 25/06/98 16:39:55, you write: > > I took collected postings from 11 list members starting in October 1996 > and attempted to extract the text from them (excluding headers, sigs and > quoted things). I thought it might fuel the conspiracy theories if I > invented some silly analysis techniques and tried them out. > Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Is this a sign that you have too much time on your hands? [lots cut to save space] > > More later... Can't wait (I think). > > imc > Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jun 25 20:13:33 1998 From: nevilley@spamblock.nfy53.demon.co.uk (Nev Young) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: More conspiracy theories... Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 19:06:10 GMT Organization: nfy53 Message-ID: <359699d0.1277989@post.demon.co.uk> References: <199806251638.RAA15167@ruby.comlab> In-Reply-To: <199806251638.RAA15167@ruby.comlab> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 638 Lines: 17 On Thu, 25 Jun 1998 17:38:48 +0100 (BST), Ian Collier wrote: > I took collected postings from 11 list members starting in October 1996 > and attempted to extract the text from them (excluding headers, sigs and > quoted things). I thought it might fuel the conspiracy theories if I > invented some silly analysis techniques and tried them out. > Erm. You _haven't_ been lurking in uk.s[1] have you ? [1] A news froup where posting stats have recently appeared. -- Nev - no longer at nevilley@ndirect.co.uk and getting no spam at all (yet) Webpage under construction at www,nfy53,demon,co,uk also hiding on ICQ From imc Thu Jun 25 22:47:03 1998 Subject: Re: More conspiracy theories... In-Reply-To: <359699d0.1277989@post.demon.co.uk> from Nev Young at "Jun 25, 98 07:06:10 pm" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 22:47:03 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 191 Lines: 7 On Thu, 25 Jun 1998 19:06:10 GMT, Nev Young said: > Erm. You _haven't_ been lurking in uk.s[1] have you ? No, never heard of it. Though I have been known to post stats on newsgroups. imc From imc Thu Jun 25 23:56:45 1998 Subject: Re: More conspiracy theories... In-Reply-To: <199806252147.WAA15704@ruby.comlab> from Ian Collier at "Jun 25, 98 10:47:03 pm" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 23:56:45 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 3525 Lines: 108 I've changed the metric slightly. I think the results are much the same. andrew + samsboss 0.9585 davehooper + samsboss 0.9638 cookie + samsboss 0.9649 dave + samsboss 0.9651 andrew + bill 0.9662 ... dave + imc 0.9865 andrew + cookie 0.9873 bill + bob 0.9889 bill + samsboss 0.9897 cookie + imc 0.9924 What about frequency of individual words? These are the overall top 15 words: the to a i and of it you that is in for be on have andrew 4.8 3.2 2.3 1.9 1.7 1.7 1.5 1.8 1.4 1.3 1.1 0.9 1.2 0.8 0.9 bill 4.0 3.1 2.1 2.5 1.6 1.8 1.8 2.8 1.9 1.9 1.2 1.0 0.7 0.8 1.1 bob 5.5 3.5 2.5 2.0 1.8 1.9 1.8 1.3 1.9 1.8 1.4 1.0 1.2 0.9 1.1 cookie 4.9 2.7 2.8 1.3 1.7 1.8 1.6 1.2 1.3 1.1 1.3 1.3 0.8 1.0 0.6 dave 4.2 2.5 2.4 1.8 1.9 2.2 1.6 0.7 1.2 1.5 1.1 1.3 0.6 1.2 0.6 davehooper 4.7 2.2 2.6 2.5 2.0 1.7 1.9 1.1 1.2 1.3 1.1 1.2 0.8 0.7 0.6 gavin 3.9 2.7 2.2 2.9 2.3 1.7 1.7 2.0 1.2 1.1 1.1 0.9 0.8 1.1 1.0 imc 5.2 2.7 2.5 1.9 1.8 1.8 2.3 2.3 1.5 1.8 1.5 0.8 0.9 1.0 0.9 matthew 4.4 2.1 2.1 3.2 1.7 1.9 2.7 1.3 2.5 2.1 1.0 0.9 0.6 0.5 1.1 robert 4.2 2.7 2.7 2.8 2.4 1.4 2.1 2.1 2.0 2.3 1.2 1.4 0.7 1.0 1.0 samsboss 4.6 3.1 2.2 2.5 1.7 1.8 1.8 1.8 1.7 1.7 1.0 1.0 0.9 1.0 1.0 These correlate entirely differently. cookie + matthew 0.9201 dave + matthew 0.9299 bill + dave 0.9304 andrew + matthew 0.9306 bill + cookie 0.9309 ... cookie + dave 0.9635 andrew + cookie 0.9636 robert + samsboss 0.9639 gavin + samsboss 0.9644 andrew + imc 0.9647 bob + samsboss 0.9661 imc + samsboss 0.9663 andrew + bob 0.9675 bill + samsboss 0.9682 andrew + samsboss 0.9749 Andrew is Samsboss shocker! Film at 11. How about less frequent words. Say, the 120th to 131th. disk two memory most using really too their basic yes right back andrew 0.204 0.113 0.200 0.097 0.097 0.139 0.113 0.099 0.054 0.101 0.131 0.085 bill 0.000 0.106 0.029 0.125 0.048 0.134 0.086 0.163 0.038 0.058 0.163 0.058 bob 0.003 0.157 0.057 0.146 0.079 0.055 0.075 0.161 0.115 0.175 0.131 0.126 cookie 0.135 0.076 0.205 0.124 0.152 0.108 0.141 0.111 0.154 0.061 0.084 0.130 dave 0.075 0.075 0.037 0.056 0.075 0.131 0.187 0.150 0.037 0.075 0.075 0.019 davehooper 0.210 0.107 0.118 0.068 0.225 0.153 0.171 0.078 0.118 0.050 0.125 0.068 gavin 0.085 0.154 0.008 0.127 0.039 0.193 0.146 0.069 0.046 0.058 0.085 0.143 imc 0.197 0.095 0.102 0.093 0.142 0.122 0.093 0.075 0.171 0.137 0.098 0.078 matthew 0.064 0.000 0.128 0.064 0.096 0.096 0.192 0.000 0.000 0.385 0.096 0.064 robert 0.115 0.115 0.014 0.115 0.057 0.072 0.014 0.115 0.029 0.086 0.143 0.057 samsboss 0.033 0.116 0.055 0.110 0.077 0.088 0.061 0.105 0.121 0.138 0.050 0.193 bill + matthew 0.7248 matthew + robert 0.7258 gavin + matthew 0.7452 dave + matthew 0.7594 matthew + samsboss 0.7692 ... bill + dave 0.8734 bill + robert 0.8818 bill + bob 0.8829 andrew + davehooper 0.9095 cookie + davehooper 0.9128 andrew + imc 0.9145 bob + samsboss 0.9162 cookie + imc 0.9170 andrew + cookie 0.9193 davehooper + imc 0.9207 This is silly. :-) imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jun 26 00:42:59 1998 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 00:35:27 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Dave Hooper Subject: Re: In-Reply-To: <199806252259.XAA17149@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 508 Lines: 22 >bill + dave 0.8734 >bill + robert 0.8818 >bill + bob 0.8829 >andrew + davehooper 0.9095 >cookie + davehooper 0.9128 >andrew + imc 0.9145 >bob + samsboss 0.9162 >cookie + imc 0.9170 >andrew + cookie 0.9193 >davehooper + imc 0.9207 > >This is silly. :-) couldn't agree more ! although it's kinda cool being compared to you, yr brother, and simon cooke. i think. dave hooper +rotterdam termination source+ From imc Fri Jun 26 13:39:39 1998 Subject: Re: INDUG and the Internet. In-Reply-To: <000501bd8b7b$7150c940$6524accf@default> from Simon Cooke at "May 29, 98 11:31:33 pm" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:39:39 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 396 Lines: 11 A long time ago while I was in read-only email mode, Simon Cooke said: > Ian -- you're the archive master. Was there a time on this list when it > wasn't all flames? Or has it only happened since ... you know? I have no idea. Just because I keep the archive doesn't mean I _read_ it... Go see for yourself. :-) imc (Oh dear, I'm a couple of days too late amn't I. Has Simon left the list?) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jun 26 15:01:33 1998 From: Simon Cooke To: sam-users Subject: RE: INDUG and the Internet. Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 09:40:44 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bda108$04d1a3a0$0563accf@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <199806261239.NAA17529@ruby.comlab> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 613 Lines: 22 > A long time ago while I was in read-only email mode, Simon Cooke said: > > > Ian -- you're the archive master. Was there a time on this list when it > > wasn't all flames? Or has it only happened since ... you know? > > I have no idea. Just because I keep the archive doesn't mean I > _read_ it... > Go see for yourself. :-) > > imc > > (Oh dear, I'm a couple of days too late amn't I. Has Simon left > the list?) Not yet, but at the end of today I will have done :) Remember folks: if you need to get in touch, you'll have to email me at: simonc@jumper.mcc.ac.uk or simon.cooke@umist.ac.uk Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jun 26 18:30:25 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:21:07 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: More conspiracy theories... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows sub 178 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 254 Lines: 13 In a message dated 25/06/98 23:05:17, you write: > > This is silly. :-) > > imc I would not call it silly, just, well, ????? Could you please explain, in a way that simple country folk like me can understand, what all these numbers mean? Bill. From imc Fri Jun 26 18:42:23 1998 Subject: Re: More conspiracy theories... In-Reply-To: from BillRitman at "Jun 26, 98 01:21:07 pm" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 18:42:23 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 844 Lines: 24 On Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:21:07 EDT, BillRitman said: > Could you please explain, in a way that simple country folk like me can > understand, what all these numbers mean? The numbers in the rectangular table represent the number of times you used the word "the" or "and" or whatever word is at the top of the column. This number is expressed as a percentage of all words. The number on the right hand side of the line >bill + bob 0.8829 means that if you take your line and Bob's line from the above-described table then the similarity of all the numbers is "0.8829", where "1" would mean they were identical and "0" would mean they were as different as different could be. (This number is actually: 1 - sqrt(sum((x-y)^2)/(sum(x)^2+sum(y)^2)) where x ranges over one line of the table and y ranges over the other). imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jun 28 20:38:55 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: <5a933833.35969ab6@aol.com> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 15:34:13 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: More conspiracy theories... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows sub 178 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 305 Lines: 16 In a message dated 26/06/98 17:48:11, you write: > > (This number is actually: > > 1 - sqrt(sum((x-y)^2)/(sum(x)^2+sum(y)^2)) > > where x ranges over one line of the table and y ranges over the other). > > imc > Of course it is, silly me :) Now, where did I put my maths books? Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jun 29 21:47:38 1998 Message-Id: <199806292043.WAA25839@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: Sam users Subject: Dragging another posting from c.s.s. Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 22:46:08 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1159 Lines: 32 Bob Brenchley schreef in artikel <3598dd55.965526@news.enterprise.net>... > On Sun, 28 Jun 1998 05:30:32 GMT on this learned newsgroup > martin.w6@ukonline.co.uk (Martin Wilson) wrote: > > >My dear old Coupe hasn't been off the shelf for a while. > > > >Are there any good sites for downloading software or anyone interested > >in doing some disk swopping. > > > >What user groups and diskzines are still going supporting it? > > At the moment, until FRED gets back up and running under new > management, there is only FORMAT (INDUG) and SAM Supplement. And then there is Blitz off course, or did you forget about that one mr. Brenchley? > Send an SAE to Format Publications, 34, Bourton Road, Gloucester, GL4 > 0LE (or email me with your address) and we will send you a copy of the > Spectrum & SAM Resource Guide which lists all the companies still > offering support for SAM. That should off course read "offering support for Bob" ja ne I know this will start another flamewar, but so be it -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Mind you if we call you "Bruce", it might otherwise cause some confusion. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 30 00:27:49 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 00:16:18 +0100 To: "Sam users' mailing list" From: Andrew Collier Subject: Curses! Bad news, I'm afraid :( X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1541 Lines: 40 Not good. :( It seems that my Sam, without warning, has become rather ill. The display's given up. There's no vertical synching at all, and is all very fuzzy, but enough is visible to show that the rest of the Sam is happy enough. This happens through SCART as well as through the UHF output, so the problem must be on the main board. I had a quick look, but there's nothing visibly gone wrong. My first guess would be that some crystal somewhere has given up the ghost, what ones exist on the Sam's main board? Or is the problem likely to be more serious? Ideas? Obviously this makes programming kinda difficult - and unfortunately the price of a new Sam is still a non-trivial amount to me even with the summer job I've got.... and SimCoupe's no help either becauise the Mac version's key-mapping is woefully inadequate.... I'm jinxed! This is the THIRD (count 'em) time that my Sam has died when I'm trying to make decent progress on a project.... (oops did I just share too much?) Read the scrollies in MNEMOdemo 1 and 2 if you don't know what I mean... Andrew -- +----------------+-----------------------------+----------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | to a fool | +----------------+-----------------------------+ and he calls | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | you foolish | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | -- Euripides | +----------------------------------------------+----------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 30 08:17:01 1998 Message-Id: <199806300709.JAA13918@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: Curses! Bad news, I'm afraid :( Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 09:12:02 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 484 Lines: 17 > Van: Andrew Collier > Aan: Sam users' mailing list > Onderwerp: Curses! Bad news, I'm afraid :( > Datum: Tuesday, June 30, 1998 1:16 > > Not good. :( > > It seems that my Sam, without warning, has become rather ill. > Ideas? I guess Edwin has some ideas about it, maybe he should have a look at it. -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Mind you if we call you "Bruce", it might otherwise cause some confusion. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 30 18:16:02 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 13:07:42 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Curses! Bad news, I'm afraid :( Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1383 Lines: 40 In a message dated 29/06/98 23:17:30, you write: > >Not good. :( > >It seems that my Sam, without warning, has become rather ill. > >The display's given up. There's no vertical synching at all, and is all >very fuzzy, but enough is visible to show that the rest of the Sam is happy >enough. > >This happens through SCART as well as through the UHF output, so the >problem must be on the main board. I had a quick look, but there's nothing >visibly gone wrong. > >My first guess would be that some crystal somewhere has given up the ghost, >what ones exist on the Sam's main board? Or is the problem likely to be >more serious? > >Ideas? > >Obviously this makes programming kinda difficult - and unfortunately the >price of a new Sam is still a non-trivial amount to me even with the summer >job I've got.... and SimCoupe's no help either becauise the Mac version's >key-mapping is woefully inadequate.... > >I'm jinxed! This is the THIRD (count 'em) time that my Sam has died when >I'm trying to make decent progress on a project.... (oops did I just share >too much?) Read the scrollies in MNEMOdemo 1 and 2 if you don't know what I >mean... > >Andrew Asic, has to be, nothing else will do that on both scart and tv. Ok, just to show that there are no hard feelings (at the moment) email your snail-mail adress to Formatpub@aol.com and I'll get Jenny to send you one. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 30 19:16:13 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 19:12:43 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Curses! Bad news, I'm afraid :( X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1172 Lines: 30 At 6:07 pm +0100 30/6/98, wrote: >>This happens through SCART as well as through the UHF output, so the >>problem must be on the main board. I had a quick look, but there's nothing >>visibly gone wrong. >> >>My first guess would be that some crystal somewhere has given up the ghost, >>what ones exist on the Sam's main board? Or is the problem likely to be >>more serious? [...] >Asic, has to be, nothing else will do that on both scart and tv. > >Ok, just to show that there are no hard feelings (at the moment) email your >snail-mail adress to Formatpub@aol.com and I'll get Jenny to send you one. What, for free? Hey, I can't argue with that! The email's on its way... Andrew -- +----------------+-----------------------------+----------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | to a fool | +----------------+-----------------------------+ and he calls | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | you foolish | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | -- Euripides | +----------------------------------------------+----------------+ From imc Tue Jun 30 19:53:29 1998 Subject: Re: Curses! Bad news, I'm afraid :( In-Reply-To: from Andrew Collier at "Jun 30, 98 07:12:43 pm" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 19:53:29 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 281 Lines: 11 On Tue, 30 Jun 1998 19:12:43 +0100, Andrew Collier said: > What, for free? Hey, I can't argue with that! Well there you go. Peace reigns at last. > The email's on its way... Now all you have to do is get the darn thing out of your machine, which is nigh on impossible... imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 30 20:05:06 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199806301853.TAA01781@ruby.comlab> References: from Andrew Collier at "Jun 30, 98 07:12:43 pm" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 20:01:50 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Curses! Bad news, I'm afraid :( X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 873 Lines: 25 At 7:53 pm +0100 30/6/98, Ian Collier wrote: >On Tue, 30 Jun 1998 19:12:43 +0100, Andrew Collier said: >> What, for free? Hey, I can't argue with that! > >Well there you go. Peace reigns at last. > >> The email's on its way... > >Now all you have to do is get the darn thing out of your machine, which >is nigh on impossible... It's also far less important than getting the new one in again... Andrew -- +----------------+-----------------------------+----------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | to a fool | +----------------+-----------------------------+ and he calls | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | you foolish | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | -- Euripides | +----------------------------------------------+----------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 30 21:06:00 1998 From: David Ledbury at To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no, Formatpub@aol.com Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 20:54:14 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Curses! Bad news, I'm afraid :( In-reply-to: Message-Id: <19980630194937Z49518-25466+625@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 725 Lines: 24 > From: > Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 13:07:42 EDT > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Subject: Re: Curses! Bad news, I'm afraid :( > >I'm jinxed! This is the THIRD (count 'em) time that my Sam has died when > >I'm trying to make decent progress on a project.... (oops did I just share > >too much?) Read the scrollies in MNEMOdemo 1 and 2 if you don't know what I > >mean... > > > >Andrew > > Asic, has to be, nothing else will do that on both scart and tv. > > Ok, just to show that there are no hard feelings (at the moment) email your > snail-mail adress to Formatpub@aol.com and I'll get Jenny to send you one. > > -- > Bob. > *Hearty cheer!* Good on you Bob :) David From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jun 30 21:06:01 1998 From: David Ledbury at To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 20:55:22 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Curses! Bad news, I'm afraid :( In-reply-to: <199806301853.TAA01781@ruby.comlab> References: from Andrew Collier at "Jun 30, 98 07:12:43 pm" Message-Id: <19980630195038Z49518-25466+629@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 672 Lines: 21 > From: Ian Collier > Subject: Re: Curses! Bad news, I'm afraid :( > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 19:53:29 +0100 (BST) > Reply-to: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Date: Tue, 30 Jun 98 20:49:18 BST > Now all you have to do is get the darn thing out of your machine, which > is nigh on impossible... > > imc Knitting needle? Err... you don't knit in ur spare time do you? :) David /-----------------------------------------------/ \ If you're really desperate... take a look at \ / My web site at www.persona.clara.net/wibble/ / \________________________________________________\ From imc Wed Jul 1 11:08:28 1998 Subject: Re: Curses! Bad news, I'm afraid :( In-Reply-To: <19980630195038Z49518-25466+629@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> from David Ledbury at at "Jun 30, 98 08:55:22 pm" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 11:08:28 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 303 Lines: 11 On Tue, 30 Jun 1998 20:55:22 +0000, David Ledbury at said: > > Now all you have to do is get the darn thing out of your machine, which > > is nigh on impossible... > Knitting needle? > > Err... you don't knit in ur spare time do you? :) It is about 22 years since I last knitted anything. :-) imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jul 1 12:17:17 1998 From: "E.P.R.P. Blink" Organization: Hanzehogeschool Groningen To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:00:50 MET Subject: Re: Curses! Bad news, I'm afraid :( X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <1C6A43F6963@mail1.pl.hanze.nl> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 853 Lines: 22 > Now all you have to do is get the darn thing out of your machine, which > is nigh on impossible... Not impossible. I replaced mine twice already. But tricky it is. Have a good look at the ASICs socket. You can see a smal gap at the bottom left and top right corners(or was it B.L T.R ?). Use one side of a set of curved tweezers, A small nail or a small screwdriver to place in a gap and then use it as a wrench (pull it down) Do not use to much force or the socket may snap. It doesn't have to come loose right away. Just pull a little and change gap and pull again. After couple of attempts it will just pop out of its socket. Once the ASIC is out you can place the new one. Make sure its placed in the same way as the old one (VLSI can be read from left to rigth). Press it firmly so its fully in its socket. Good luck. Edwin Bink From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jul 2 13:24:09 1998 From: David Ledbury at To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:25:21 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Where's Gavin? Message-Id: <19980702122039Z49351-10465+116@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 150 Lines: 7 In case anyone's wondering where Gavins got to over the past week... his PC Motherboard has decided to go kaput! He'll be back on line soon! David From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jul 2 13:49:56 1998 Message-ID: <359B80F6.2F38@AnySIM.de> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 14:45:43 +0200 From: Christof Odenthal X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Converting Sam-files+screens for internet Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 908 Lines: 26 Hello, i want to put some of my programs (with screenshots) on my homepage for download. I have the 'PC Suite' from Ian D. Spencer for reading and writing PC disks on the Sam but i need some informations about following topics: - Is there a program which can convert a Sam Screen (all modes) into any PC picture format (Gif preferred) ? - What is the most common archiving utility and where can i get the newest version ? - How does 'samdisk' work and where can i get the newest version ? I had a program called 'teledisk' for the PC which was a sort of diskcopy. It stored the entire disk into an archive for easy transfer. The receiver had to expand it to a new disk to get access to the files. It was a bit cumbersome. thanks, Christof. -- \ | / (-O-O-) -----oooO--(_)--Oooo----- mailto: Odenthal@AnySIM.de homepg: http://www.muenchen.org/homepages/bm347689/index.html From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jul 2 15:45:42 1998 Message-Id: <199807021434.QAA09565@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: Converting Sam-files+screens for internet Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:37:02 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1840 Lines: 43 > Van: Christof Odenthal > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Onderwerp: Converting Sam-files+screens for internet > Datum: Thursday, July 02, 1998 2:45 > > Hello, > i want to put some of my programs (with screenshots) on my homepage > for download. I have the 'PC Suite' from Ian D. Spencer for reading > and writing PC disks on the Sam but i need some informations about > following topics: SAM>BMP converter, will give you a bmp-file (don't forget it to give it a name like this "name.bmp", a PC is not so clever as a Mac or Sam), slingshot that onto a MSdos disk with KE-disk or PC-suite. On the PC, use for example PaintshopPro (above version 3 will do) to convert your bmp-files to lets say gif, you can also use that program to brighten the picture a bit, Conversion to the PC come out rather dark. > - Is there a program which can convert a Sam Screen (all modes) into > any PC picture format (Gif preferred) ? Again SAM>BMP convertor (who wrote that anyway? if was one of those proggies found on Fred a while ago). You convert Mode1 and 2 to Mode 4 and then convert it to BMP, but you loose the palette line interrupts in the process. Don't know of this will work with Mode3, could be fun with a 512x192 resolution, i think it will be rather stretched (could probably be overcome by enlarging the height only to 384 pixels without loosing anything in the picture) > I had a program called 'teledisk' for the PC which was a sort of > diskcopy. It stored the entire disk into an archive for easy > transfer. The receiver had to expand it to a new disk to get > access to the files. It was a bit cumbersome. You could say that, I never got it running on my P75 :) -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Mind you if we call you "Bruce", it might otherwise cause some confusion. From imc Thu Jul 2 16:28:53 1998 Subject: Re: Converting Sam-files+screens for internet In-Reply-To: <199807021434.QAA09565@mailserv.caiw.nl> from Robert van der Veeke at "Jul 2, 98 04:37:02 pm" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:28:53 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 467 Lines: 15 On Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:37:02 +0200, Robert van der Veeke said: > Again SAM>BMP convertor (who wrote that anyway? if was one of those > proggies found on Fred a while ago). You convert Mode1 and 2 to Mode 4 and > then convert it to BMP, but you loose the palette line interrupts in the > process. For Unix bods, http://www.comlab.ox.ac.uk/oucl/users/ian.collier/Misc/samtoppm.c Mode 4 only - but it does do "palette line"s. The opposite program is there too. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jul 2 20:42:26 1998 Message-Id: <199807021939.VAA19636@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: Sam users Subject: Re: Dragging another posting from c.s.s. Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:41:31 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 582 Lines: 19 > Van: Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk > Aan: RJV.Veeke.NL.Sam.Coupe@caiw.nl > Onderwerp: Re: Dragging another posting from c.s.s. > Datum: Thursday, July 02, 1998 7:16 > > > Breaking copyright laws AGAIN. Some people never learn. Well sue me This was a posting made to a public media and I am not allowed to repost this to this list? why? has it anything to do with the contents perhaps? Oh dear, i have done it again, Am i ever going to learn? -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Mind you if we call you "Bruce", it might otherwise cause some confusion. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jul 2 22:09:22 1998 From: Peter Harkess To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 21:01:04 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview3 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Subject: Re[2]: Curses! Bad news, I'm afraid :( X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 785 Lines: 29 All hail the Newflesh MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain BrenchleyR@aol.com While summoning a demon,chanted, "Re: Curses! Bad news, I'm afraid :(": > In a message dated 29/06/98 23:17:30, you write: > >> >> Not good. :( >> >> It seems that my Sam, without warning, has become rather ill. > Asic, has to be, nothing else will do that on both scart and tv. > > Ok, just to show that there are no hard feelings (at the moment) email your > snail-mail adress to Formatpub@aol.com and I'll get Jenny to send you one. > Kind regards -- Nice one Bob. Now what's the chances of putting up some stuff on NVG?? Also what's the full details on the next Sam show (when,where?any detail's you can give.I'll be traveling a great distance to get there). cheers Peter Harkess From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jul 3 02:29:39 1998 From: David Ledbury at To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 19:57:17 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Converting Sam-files+screens for internet In-reply-to: <199807021434.QAA09565@mailserv.caiw.nl> Message-Id: <19980703012802Z49534-10465+254@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1983 Lines: 50 > From: "Robert van der Veeke" > To: > Subject: Re: Converting Sam-files+screens for internet > Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:37:02 +0200 > Reply-to: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Date: Thu, 2 Jul 98 19:46:00 BST > > > > Hello, > > i want to put some of my programs (with screenshots) on my homepage > > for download. I have the 'PC Suite' from Ian D. Spencer for reading > > and writing PC disks on the Sam but i need some informations about > > following topics: Yuck :) I'd recommend either Martijn Groen's great utilitity (the Atom version is great ;) or KE-Disk > > > > - Is there a program which can convert a Sam Screen (all modes) into > > any PC picture format (Gif preferred) ? > > Again SAM>BMP convertor (who wrote that anyway? if was one of those > proggies found on Fred a while ago). You convert Mode1 and 2 to Mode 4 and > then convert it to BMP, but you loose the palette line interrupts in the > process. Cookie did one... could be the one u mean. > Don't know of this will work with Mode3, could be fun with a 512x192 > resolution, i think it will be rather stretched (could probably be overcome > by enlarging the height only to 384 pixels without loosing anything in the > picture) I think Mode 3 wont work actually... something Cookie mentioned ages ago. > > I had a program called 'teledisk' for the PC which was a sort of > > diskcopy. It stored the entire disk into an archive for easy > > transfer. The receiver had to expand it to a new disk to get > > access to the files. It was a bit cumbersome. > > You could say that, I never got it running on my P75 :) Could be a combination of incompatible Bios and a computer which is miles too fast ... it was written for 286's initially ;) > -- > Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics > [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] > Mind you if we call you "Bruce", it might otherwise cause some confusion. > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jul 3 03:23:56 1998 From: see_the_text@below To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 19:09:16 GMT Message-ID: <359bd8bf.691890@mail.clara.net> X-Mailer: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1455 Lines: 35 The Fifth Northern SAM & Spectrum Show - Incorporating 8-Bit Show ----------------------------------------------------------------- Yes, it's showtime once again! All owners of 8 Bit machines are welcomed through the gates of this, the Fifth Northern SAM and Spectrum Show. This time, we're opening at a BRAND NEW LOCATION! Instead of at Wetherby, which some people have had trouble in reaching, we have organised this show for Bolton, in Greater Manchester. The new location offers a much greater facility for parking, and offers easy availability by rail and bus. Whether you be an ordinary user, or any sort of support service (magazine, software publisher, hardware creator, etc) then we'd love to see you there. And this time, due to the new venue, we've even managed to reduce stall costs for anyone wishing to book! The show is held at Horwich, Bolton - within easy reach of local buses, trains etc. If you're unsure of where to go, sending an SSAE will give you directions. At previous shows, we've had all the top names on the SAM & Spectrum scene; Crashed, Impact, Quazar, Alchemist Research, Persona, Format, Fred, Sintech, Blitz Magazine, Flexibase, SD Software, ZX Files and more .... And they've all been invited for this time around too. So don't miss out! Be there on the 12th September 1998. For more details send an SSAE to: NSSS, 32 Barleyfields Road, Wetherby, West Yorks LS22 6PW or fax (01204) 453030 Email: nsss_98@usa.net From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jul 3 05:20:09 1998 Message-Id: <199807030418.GAA04908@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: Converting Sam-files+screens for internet Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 06:20:48 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 642 Lines: 20 > Van: David Ledbury at > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Onderwerp: Re: Converting Sam-files+screens for internet > Datum: Thursday, July 02, 1998 9:57 > Yuck :) I'd recommend either Martijn Groen's great utilitity (the > Atom version is great ;) or KE-Disk Eh? have to take a closer look then, copy to HD of MS-dos files, or even make a complete disk-image on a RECORD can be done (very handy for the ZX81 emulator). Ah well, the rest follows when I get back from work. ja ne -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Mind you if we call you "Bruce", it might otherwise cause some confusion. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jul 3 08:36:45 1998 Message-ID: <359C8942.B4D@AnySIM.de> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 09:33:22 +0200 From: Christof Odenthal X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Curses! Bad news, I'm afraid :( References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 271 Lines: 13 is this Asic-breakdown a common problem / does it happen often ? I don't want it happen to my Sam... bye, Christof. -- \ | / (-O-O-) -----oooO--(_)--Oooo----- mailto: Odenthal@AnySIM.de homepg: http://www.muenchen.org/homepages/bm347689/index.html From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jul 3 08:47:41 1998 Message-ID: <359C8BB9.2A0F@AnySIM.de> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 09:43:53 +0200 From: Christof Odenthal X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: ZX81 emulator for the Sam References: <359C8942.B4D@AnySIM.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 304 Lines: 15 hello again, i've heared that there is a ZX81 emulator for the Sam. Does anybody know where i can find it and is it PD or Shareware ? bye, Christof. -- \ | / (-O-O-) -----oooO--(_)--Oooo----- mailto: Odenthal@AnySIM.de homepg: http://www.muenchen.org/homepages/bm347689/index.html From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jul 3 10:33:31 1998 Message-Id: From: Dan Doore Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 10:14:44 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Real Sam Users List 3/7/98 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /310000000/310102093/310102123/310460310/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 101" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2769 Lines: 76 You know the score: if it's wrong, electronically abuse me and I will change it. Dan. Work: dan@armature.com Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/ The Unknown Sam Users: janowska@usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl jadams1644@aol.com markus@enterprise.net matthewh@top2.ficnet.net.tw Samsboss@Postmaster.co.uk The Real Sam Users: Allan Skillman allan.skillman@arm.com Andrew Collier asc25@cam.ac.uk Andy Chandler ajchandler@hotmail.com Andy Gale ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk Ben Versteeg ben@charm.il.ft.hse.nl Bill Ritman BillRitman@aol.com Bob Brenchley BrenchleyR@aol.com Chris White whitey@cid.prestel.co.uk Christof Odenthal odenthal@anysim.de Colin MacDonald Gouranga@aol.com Colin Piggot c_piggot@hotmail.com Dan Doore dan@armature.com Dave Fulton D.A.Fulton@durham.ac.uk Dave Hooper d.c.hooper@sms.ed.ac.uk Dave Whitmore davewhitmore@enterprise.net David Munden davidm@enterprise.net David Zambonini D.M.Zambonini@cs.cf.ac.uk David Zambonini dzambonini@orctel.co.uk Dean Liversidge dean@error.demon.co.uk Edwin Blink e.p.r.p.blink@pl.hanze.nl Frode Tennebo ft@edh.ericsson.se Gary MacKenzie gary@avtech.demon.co.uk Gavin Smith gavin.smith@purple.dircon.co.uk Gianni "BBKaneda" bbk@bbk.org Gordon Wallis 101762.2062@compuserve.com Ian Armstrong mail01@iarmst.demon.co.uk Ian Collier Ian.Collier@comlab.oxford.ac.uk Ian Dalziel IDalziel@idalziel.demon.co.uk James Curry James@lhutz.demon.co.uk Jeff Crawford samcoupe@cadderly.demon.co.uk Johnna Teare j.d.teare@uclan.ac.uk Justin Skists Justin_Skists@case.co.uk Lee Willis l.willis@comp.brad.ac.uk Luke Ferris lukef@iplbath.com Luke Trevorrow blackadder@orinocco.demon.co.uk Martin Rookyard rookyard@btinternet.com Matthew Craven mcbi6mc2@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk Neil Maynard mne2@cableol.co.uk Nev Young nevilley@nfy53.demon.co.uk Paul Walker pwalker@zetnet.co.uk Persona persona@clara.net Peter Harkess peterharkess@nuearth.demon.co.uk Phil Glover PGLOVER43@aol.com Robert Brady rwb197@ecs.soton.ac.uk Robert Van Der Veekerjvveeke@caiw.nl Slawomir Grodkowski grodkowski@metronet.de Slawomir Grodkowski slawek@math.uni-goettingen.de Stacey Witney switney@huggable.demon.co.uk Stefan Drissen Stefan_Drissen@nl.coopers.com Stephen Harding sh5655@bristol.ac.uk Stewart Skardon sskardon@argonet.co.uk Tim Wells tim@twellys.demon.co.uk Tomasz Pudlo tombox@katowice.pkp.com.pl Wayne Coles wayne@rflect.demon.co.uk William McGugan will@digital-animations.com From imc Fri Jul 3 10:47:06 1998 Subject: Re: NSSS In-Reply-To: <359bd8bf.691890@mail.clara.net> from "see_the_text@below" at "Jul 2, 98 07:09:16 pm" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 10:47:07 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 257 Lines: 7 On Thu, 02 Jul 1998 19:09:16 GMT, see_the_text@below said: > The Fifth Northern SAM & Spectrum Show - Incorporating 8-Bit Show You are lucky I didn't delete this as spam without reading it. Next time use a subject line and a correct email address... imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jul 3 13:33:17 1998 Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 13:02:55 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@red.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: no subject line In-Reply-To: <359bd8bf.691890@mail.clara.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 946 Lines: 24 On Thu, 2 Jul 1998 see_the_text@below wrote: Newsgroups are subject to spambots, mailing lists (generally) are not. Please don't munge the headers, you don't need to. > organised this show for Bolton, in Greater Manchester. The new Bolton's not in Greater Manchester! Geographically it's in Lancashire, and it has it's own borough council... > So don't miss out! Be there on the 12th September 1998. Great, now all I have to do is travel back home from Cambridge... Andrew -- +----------------+-----------------------------+----------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | to a fool | +----------------+-----------------------------+ and he calls | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | you foolish | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | -- Euripides | +----------------------------------------------+----------------+ From imc Fri Jul 3 13:46:39 1998 Subject: Re: no subject line In-Reply-To: from Andrew Collier at "Jul 3, 98 01:02:55 pm" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 13:46:39 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 359 Lines: 10 On Fri, 3 Jul 1998 13:02:55 +0100 (BST), Andrew Collier said: > Bolton's not in Greater Manchester! Geographically it's in Lancashire, > and it has it's own borough council... I think you are wrong; I think Bolton became part of Greater Manchester in the great reshuffle of 1973 or whenever it was. On the other hand, its postal address is in Lancs. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jul 3 15:58:49 1998 From: Maria Rookyard To: sam-users Subject: Re: Real Sam Users List 3/7/98 Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 14:35:08 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 191 Lines: 16 > > You know the score: if it's wrong, electronically abuse me > and I will change it. > > Dan. > Martin Rookyard rookyard@btinternet.com It ain't Martin - it's me! :-) Maria x From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jul 3 18:12:15 1998 Message-Id: From: Dan Doore Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 16:08:00 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: RE: Real Sam Users List 3/7/98 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /310000000/310102093/310102123/310460310/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 101" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 266 Lines: 18 > > Martin Rookyard rookyard@btinternet.com > > It ain't Martin - it's me! :-) > > Maria > x D'oh! I've never been very good at sex... ;-) Consider it changed. Dan. Work: dan@armature.com Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jul 3 20:16:29 1998 Message-Id: <199807031914.VAA18260@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: Samsboss Cc: Sam users Subject: Re: Dragging another posting from c.s.s. Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 21:17:15 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1154 Lines: 31 > Van: Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk > Aan: robert van der veeke > Onderwerp: Re: Dragging another posting from c.s.s. > Datum: Friday, July 03, 1998 7:50 > Look, I think you should do a little research on copyright - maybe then you > > would not break it so often. > > If something is written down, on paper or in electronic form, it is > COPYRIGHT. > Within the media it was published in, ie C.S.S. it would be perfectly ok to > > reply to the posting quoting the original text. > > What is not ok it to take that posting, and the copyright material it > contains, > and do something else with it WITHOUT THE OWNERS CONSENT. Said by someone who is using a remailer to hide himself like the coward that he is. Sorry but I don't give a damn about your's or Bill's or Bob's or the copyright of anyone else when you use it to insult, flame or just lie to the general public or to people in private. Funny that only people with things to hide try to find protection from copyright-laws. -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Mind you if we call you "Bruce", it might otherwise cause some confusion. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jul 3 20:20:25 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199807031246.NAA12481@ruby.comlab> References: from Andrew Collier at "Jul 3, 98 01:02:55 pm" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 20:17:47 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: no subject line X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1018 Lines: 27 At 1:46 pm +0100 3/7/98, Ian Collier wrote: >On Fri, 3 Jul 1998 13:02:55 +0100 (BST), Andrew Collier said: > >> Bolton's not in Greater Manchester! Geographically it's in Lancashire, >> and it has it's own borough council... > >I think you are wrong; I think Bolton became part of Greater Manchester >in the great reshuffle of 1973 or whenever it was. On the other hand, >its postal address is in Lancs. IIRC they switched it back again a few years ago, because nobody wanted to be associated with Manchester.... ;) Andrew PS. Off-topic? Hmmmm. -- +----------------+-----------------------------+----------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | to a fool | +----------------+-----------------------------+ and he calls | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | you foolish | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | -- Euripides | +----------------------------------------------+----------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jul 3 22:29:06 1998 Message-Id: <199807032126.XAA14439@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: Samsboss Cc: Sam users Subject: Re: Dragging another posting from c.s.s. Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 23:29:15 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 654 Lines: 20 > Van: Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk > Aan: robert van der veeke > Onderwerp: Re: Dragging another posting from c.s.s. > Datum: Friday, July 03, 1998 10:58 > Now I can see why Bill Ritman had a go at you. FOAD! Right the way to go mr. Samboss. But since I am from the Netherlands, what is a FOAD? I haven't heard that one before. But I guess it is rather nasty and you will probably starting foaming at the mouth again about this huge infringement at your so called copyright. ja ne -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Mind you if we call you "Bruce", it might otherwise cause some confusion. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jul 4 00:21:57 1998 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 00:18:37 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Ian Dalziel Subject: Re: Real Sam Users List 3/7/98 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.04 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 358 Lines: 11 In article , Dan Doore writes >Ian Dalziel IDalziel@idalziel.demon.co.uk That's me, all right - but in the (admittedly unlikely) event that anyone wants to talk to me, they should use Ian_Dalziel@compuserve.com - I subscribed the Demon address to stop all the Sam guano swamping my Email. -- Ian Dalziel From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jul 4 08:58:32 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: <7ccbfccf.359de037@aol.com> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 03:56:38 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Curses! Bad news, I'm afraid :( Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows sub 178 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 280 Lines: 13 In a message dated 03/07/98 07:34:22, you write: > > is this Asic-breakdown a common problem / does it happen > often ? I don't want it happen to my Sam... > > bye, > Christof. Mine has never gone, the only problems I've had have been with the crap power supply. Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jul 4 09:02:46 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: <66c36b4f.359de0d1@aol.com> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 03:59:12 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Dragging another posting from c.s.s. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows sub 178 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1287 Lines: 35 In a message dated 03/07/98 19:15:19, you write: > > > Van: Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk > > Aan: robert van der veeke > > Onderwerp: Re: Dragging another posting from c.s.s. > > Datum: Friday, July 03, 1998 7:50 > > Look, I think you should do a little research on copyright - maybe then > you > > > > would not break it so often. > > > > If something is written down, on paper or in electronic form, it is > > COPYRIGHT. > > Within the media it was published in, ie C.S.S. it would be perfectly ok > to > > > > reply to the posting quoting the original text. > > > > What is not ok it to take that posting, and the copyright material it > > contains, > > and do something else with it WITHOUT THE OWNERS CONSENT. > > Said by someone who is using a remailer to hide himself like the coward > that he is. Sorry but I don't give a damn about your's or Bill's or Bob's > or the copyright of anyone else when you use it to insult, flame or just > lie to the general public or to people in private. > > Funny that only people with things to hide try to find protection from > copyright-laws. This is the sort of person that gives the internet a bad name. Its about time somebody taught him some respect for the rules. Bill.