From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jul 4 10:07:31 1998 Message-Id: <199807040901.LAA27972@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: Dragging another posting from c.s.s. Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 11:03:53 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 872 Lines: 25 > Van: BillRitman@aol.com > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Onderwerp: Re: Dragging another posting from c.s.s. > Datum: Saturday, July 04, 1998 9:59 > This is the sort of person that gives the internet a bad name. Its about time > somebody taught him some respect for the rules. Oh look one of the three stooges Yes and hiding behind remailers and and email-aliases in order to flame, insult and disrupt a mailinglist and people in private is off course normal respectfull behaviour? As for that apology Bill. only when you proof yourself beyond doubt that you are not Bob. Do that and you will get your apology from me. But that is something I said about a month ago, and I am still waiting for something that never seems to come. -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Mind you if we call you "Bruce", it might otherwise cause some confusion. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jul 4 19:28:34 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: <79ae86d.359e73a9@aol.com> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 14:25:44 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Dragging another posting from c.s.s. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows sub 178 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 992 Lines: 29 In a message dated 04/07/98 09:03:53, you write: > > Van: BillRitman@aol.com > > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > > Onderwerp: Re: Dragging another posting from c.s.s. > > Datum: Saturday, July 04, 1998 9:59 > > > This is the sort of person that gives the internet a bad name. Its about > time > > somebody taught him some respect for the rules. > > Oh look one of the three stooges > > Yes and hiding behind remailers and and email-aliases in order to flame, > insult and disrupt a mailinglist and people in private is off course normal > respectfull behaviour? > > As for that apology Bill. only when you proof yourself beyond doubt that > you are not Bob. Do that and you will get your apology from me. But that is > something I said about a month ago, and I am still waiting for something > that never seems to come. > A) I have nothing to prove to an ar**hole like you. B) I have never hidden my identity. C) You, not me, are the one that is in the WRONG. Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jul 4 19:50:39 1998 From: David Ledbury at To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 19:53:52 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Dragging another posting from c.s.s. In-reply-to: <79ae86d.359e73a9@aol.com> Message-Id: <19980704184903Z49248-277+154@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 792 Lines: 26 > From: > Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 14:25:44 EDT > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Subject: Re: Dragging another posting from c.s.s. > Reply-to: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Date: Sat, 4 Jul 98 19:31:19 BST > In a message dated 04/07/98 09:03:53, you write: > A) I have nothing to prove to an ar**hole like you. No need to resort to language like that. There are ladies present u know! > B) I have never hidden my identity. Yes, but RJV has said he will appologise if u speak to him on the phone... I'm not saying u have to ... just repeating that he said he will if u let him speak to u and prove ur ID.... > C) You, not me, are the one that is in the WRONG. But surely no one in the world is fault free? > Bill. > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jul 4 19:58:36 1998 Message-ID: <004701bda77d$531cf840$5f3a70c2@wavy> From: Gavin Smith To: sam-users Subject: Hello again... Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 19:55:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0044_01BDA785.B295E9A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2006 Lines: 53 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01BDA785.B295E9A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I owe a few of you emails, sorry about that. My motherboard died about a = week ago, so I've been unable to download or send email. I've got a lend = of my brother's PC, but I've yet to wade through several hundred emails. = Nice to see some things never change - scanning to the end of my emails = I see an email from Bill calling someone an arsehole and saying they are = "WRONG" without explaining why :) Wonder what that one's about, will = read them all later :)=20 Off to get extremely drunk, and hope there isn't too much rioting in = Northern Ireland this weekend... Gavin ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01BDA785.B295E9A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I owe a few of you emails, sorry = about that. My=20 motherboard died about a week ago, so I've been unable to download or = send=20 email. I've got a lend of my brother's PC, but I've yet to wade through = several=20 hundred emails. Nice to see some things never change - scanning to the = end of my=20 emails I see an email from Bill calling someone an arsehole and saying = they are=20 "WRONG" without explaining why :) Wonder what that one's = about, will=20 read them all later :)
 
Off to get extremely drunk, and hope = there isn't=20 too much rioting in Northern Ireland this weekend...
Gavin
------=_NextPart_000_0044_01BDA785.B295E9A0-- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jul 5 00:15:06 1998 Message-Id: <199807042312.AAA26303@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> From: Paul Walker Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 00:12:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Dragging another posting from c.s.s. In-reply-to: <79ae86d.359e73a9@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 328 Lines: 11 > C) You, not me, are the one that is in the WRONG. Please, don't start this again. Take it back to c.s.s, private email, or somewhere else. Paul -- ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ---- FidoNet: 2:254/211.44 2:442/103.13 ---> http://www.craybbs.co.uk/foti <--- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jul 5 09:40:44 1998 From: nevilley@spamblock.nfy53.demon.co.uk (Nev Young) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: no subject line Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 08:36:45 GMT Organization: nfy53 Message-ID: <359f3aa8.676876@post.demon.co.uk> References: <199807031246.NAA12481@ruby.comlab> In-Reply-To: <199807031246.NAA12481@ruby.comlab> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 898 Lines: 23 On Fri, 3 Jul 1998 13:46:39 +0100 (BST), Ian Collier wrote: > On Fri, 3 Jul 1998 13:02:55 +0100 (BST), Andrew Collier said: > > > Bolton's not in Greater Manchester! Geographically it's in Lancashire, > > and it has it's own borough council... > > I think you are wrong; I think Bolton became part of Greater Manchester > in the great reshuffle of 1973 or whenever it was. On the other hand, > its postal address is in Lancs. > Indeed it did. But nobody _asked_ us Boltonians if we wanted to become Mancunians. So for the most part it was ignored. I believe that eventually Bolton did return to Lancs where it belongs. Nev - Living in Barnoldswick thats now back in Yorkshire (as far as the post office is concerned). -- Nev - no longer at nevilley@ndirect.co.uk and getting no spam at all (yet) Webpage under construction at www,nfy53,demon,co,uk also hiding on ICQ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jul 5 09:44:07 1998 From: nevilley@spamblock.nfy53.demon.co.uk (Nev Young) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Dragging another posting from c.s.s. Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 08:39:54 GMT Organization: nfy53 Message-ID: <35a03b31.814669@post.demon.co.uk> References: <199807031914.VAA18260@mailserv.caiw.nl> In-Reply-To: <199807031914.VAA18260@mailserv.caiw.nl> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 859 Lines: 27 On Fri, 3 Jul 1998 21:17:15 +0200, "Robert van der Veeke" wrote: > > Van: Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk > > Aan: robert van der veeke > > Onderwerp: Re: Dragging another posting from c.s.s. > > Datum: Friday, July 03, 1998 7:50 > > Look, I think you should do a little research on copyright - maybe then > you > > and lots more. I don't know what the hell is happening here but for some reason I am getting a copy of some of Robert's posts to sam users in my spam trap. It only appears to be his. Is any one else getting this problem ? Nev - worried for a few moments as If it was spam it would have been the first since I moved to demon. -- Nev - no longer at nevilley@ndirect.co.uk and getting no spam at all (yet) Webpage under construction at www,nfy53,demon,co,uk also hiding on ICQ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jul 5 10:30:45 1998 From: Dean Liversidge To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 11:17:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Dragging another posting from c.s.s. In-reply-to: <66c36b4f.359de0d1@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01a) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 302 Lines: 13 > > Funny that only people with things to hide try to find protection from > > copyright-laws. > > This is the sort of person that gives the internet a bad name. Its about time > somebody taught him some respect for the rules. > Bill. Harks the AOL user .................... -- Dean Liversidge From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jul 5 13:26:42 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <66c36b4f.359de0d1@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 13:24:06 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Oh no, not again X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2678 Lines: 73 At 11:17 am +0100 4/7/98, Dean Liversidge wrote: >> > Funny that only people with things to hide try to find protection from >> > copyright-laws. >> >> This is the sort of person that gives the internet a bad name. Its about >>time >> somebody taught him some respect for the rules. >> Bill. > >Harks the AOL user .................... STOP IT everybody!! This list is going downhill fast! I thought we'd got it back on track for a few weeks..... Robert: I agree with your point, but don't overstate it - please try not to wind people up quite so much. Bill and Samsboss: Stop harping on about copyright, it's not even like it was YOUR posting that Robert took from c.s.s in the first place. (or was it?) Besides, the messages were taken from a public medium - that doesn't quite mean that they were PD, but you'd have a significantly hard time convincing a lawyer to take up your case. You're also _allowed_ to copy a certain amount of any material for the purposes of discussion, which I think applies here. Besides, several people can - and already have - played at that game... who remembers the following posting? >From: Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk >To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no >Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 12:16:39 +0000 >Subject: Re: Hmmm > >| Please don't think I disbelieve your story, but I'm just checking to see >| whether this mail address bounces or not. >| >| Andrew >| >| > >It didn't. > >-- >Samsboss - The One And Only. >Accept No Others. Oh dear oh dear oh dear, my copyrighted message was quoted without permission on the list. Ho hum what a fuss I should have made about that one, eh? And you know what? I didn't. Whoa, I'm kicking myself now. Oh yes. Listen, do you honestly think www.dejanews.com are in danger of legal action? They blatantly make news postings available on the web for all to see! And look - you could get them for incitement to break copyright: on their newsreading pages is a link "Email this message to a friend"!! I'll bet their lawyers have endless sleepless nights about that one, don't you? :/ Vaguely related question... who would own copyright on the _headers_ of a message, as opposed to the message itself? (The automatically generated ones, I mean) Andrew -- +----------------+-----------------------------+----------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | to a fool | +----------------+-----------------------------+ and he calls | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | you foolish | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | -- Euripides | +----------------------------------------------+----------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jul 5 14:39:17 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1C6A43F6963@mail1.pl.hanze.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 14:36:08 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Bleurgh! More bad news, I'm afraid :( X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1138 Lines: 29 Thanks for the ASIC Bob, it arrived yesterday morning. This afternoon I had a go at putting it into my Sam, and all went well. So then I turned it on. And the problem's still there, exactly the same as before. Bah. I guess it wasn't the ASIC then. (And I deliberately used UHF TV output, just on the off-chance that something was wrong with my SCART cable and had blown the last chip. Apparently that's not the case.) What now? Ideas, anyone? Bob, I suppose you want the ASIC back.... is it okay if I send you my old one, to save me having to take it out of the socket again? Since the problem still exists it's established that my old ASIC wasn't at fault. Andrew -- +----------------+-----------------------------+----------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | to a fool | +----------------+-----------------------------+ and he calls | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | you foolish | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | -- Euripides | +----------------------------------------------+----------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jul 5 16:29:01 1998 From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: no subject line Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 15:26:43 GMT Message-ID: <359f8e37.14999686@mail.enterprise.net> References: <199807031246.NAA12481@ruby.comlab> <359f3aa8.676876@post.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <359f3aa8.676876@post.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 719 Lines: 21 On Sun, 05 Jul 1998 08:36:45 GMT, Nev Young wrote: >> I think you are wrong; I think Bolton became part of Greater Manchester >Indeed it did. But nobody _asked_ us Boltonians if we wanted to become >Mancunians. So for the most part it was ignored. I believe that >eventually Bolton did return to Lancs where it belongs. Nobody asked us in St Helens if we wanted to be associated with or thought of as scousers, but they went ahead and pulled us into Merseyside - where we still are. Damnit! OTOH, a lot of the Manchester and Warrington area became Cheshire in their postal addresses - and none of those people seem to complain. :) Bye, _ |_)ave (/\)hitmore http://homepages.enterprise.net/davewhitmore/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jul 5 17:59:11 1998 Message-Id: From: Dan Doore Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 17:54:36 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: RE: Dragging another posting from c.s.s. MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /310000000/310102093/310102123/310460310/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 101" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 348 Lines: 13 > I don't know what the hell is happening here but for some reason I am > getting a copy of some of Robert's posts to sam users in my spam trap. Could it be because Rob's headers are in Dutch and the spamtrap doesn't like it? Just a thought... Dan. Work: dan@armature.com Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jul 5 18:07:42 1998 From: David Ledbury at To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 18:09:17 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: no subject line In-reply-to: <359f8e37.14999686@mail.enterprise.net> References: <359f3aa8.676876@post.demon.co.uk> Message-Id: <19980705170434Z49371-277+248@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 465 Lines: 13 > From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Subject: Re: no subject line > Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 15:26:43 GMT > Reply-to: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Date: Sun, 5 Jul 98 18:01:48 BST > OTOH, a lot of the Manchester and Warrington area became Cheshire in > their postal addresses - and none of those people seem to complain. :) Yeah, Macclesfield and Stockport are both in Cheshire... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jul 5 18:59:35 1998 From: nevilley@spamblock.nfy53.demon.co.uk (Nev Young) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Cc: Robert van der Veeke Subject: Re: Dragging another posting from c.s.s. Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 17:53:36 GMT Organization: nfy53 Message-ID: <35a2b941.14494316@post.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 951 Lines: 33 On Sun, 5 Jul 1998 17:54:36 +0000, Dan Doore wrote: > > I don't know what the hell is happening here but for some reason I am > > getting a copy of some of Robert's posts to sam users in my spam trap. > > Could it be because Rob's headers are in Dutch and the spamtrap doesn't > like it? > > Just a thought... > I've sorted it. my spam filter looks for a line To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no in the headers. When found it files the message in my sam-users mail file. As Rob sent this mail to spamboss and used CC: to post to the list I received it with the following headers. To: Cc: "Sam users" As a result it got marked as spam. I have now fixed my spam filter to accept sam-users mail when addressed in the CC: line. -- Nev - no longer at nevilley@ndirect.co.uk and getting no spam at all (yet) Webpage under construction at www,nfy53,demon,co,uk also hiding on ICQ From imc Mon Jul 6 10:36:52 1998 Subject: Re: Bleurgh! More bad news, I'm afraid :( In-Reply-To: from Andrew Collier at "Jul 5, 98 02:36:08 pm" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:36:52 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 867 Lines: 20 On Sun, 5 Jul 1998 14:36:08 +0100, Andrew Collier said: > Bah. I guess it wasn't the ASIC then. I did have my doubts. Unfortunately I haven't got a circuit diagram of the Sam to hand to see what else might be wrong. Does your SCART input take RGB signals or composite video? What I'd try if it were my Sam is testing the RGB signal by connecting the sync and one of the colour signals together to the composite video input pin on my video. This should give a monochrome picture. If we established that the RGB worked while the composite didn't I'd suspect the circuit containing the MC1377. But since I think the RGB signals come straight from the ASIC it would be puzzling if it turned out they didn't work. If you have sound you might try running something to see whether the timing is correct. If it is then I don't think you can blame the crystal. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jul 6 10:55:47 1998 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Just for your information From: Lee Willis Date: 06 Jul 1998 10:52:50 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 417 Lines: 10 Just to let you know that my email has changed since I'm no longer a stoodent bu have in fact managed to blag someone into paying me to sit in front of a computer all day, I'd be grateful if anyone who has address lists could change them to reflect my new address 'lee@gbdirect.co.uk' for those of you who don't like headers ;) Cheers Lee Willis. -- Bitchyness on standby sir,.......prepare the claws.......miaowww From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jul 6 13:20:07 1998 Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:17:24 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@red.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Bleurgh! More bad news, I'm afraid :( In-Reply-To: <199807060936.KAA18113@ruby.comlab> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1661 Lines: 39 On Mon, 6 Jul 1998, Ian Collier wrote: > On Sun, 5 Jul 1998 14:36:08 +0100, Andrew Collier said: > > Bah. I guess it wasn't the ASIC then. > > I did have my doubts. Unfortunately I haven't got a circuit diagram of the > Sam to hand to see what else might be wrong. Does your SCART input take > RGB signals or composite video? Composite. It connects the Sam's SCART composite video and stereo sound signals to three phono-type plugs. > What I'd try if it were my Sam is testing the RGB signal by connecting > the sync and one of the colour signals together to the composite video > input pin on my video. This should give a monochrome picture. If we > established that the RGB worked while the composite didn't I'd suspect > the circuit containing the MC1377. But since I think the RGB signals > come straight from the ASIC it would be puzzling if it turned out they > didn't work. Hmmm. > If you have sound you might try running something to see whether the > timing is correct. If it is then I don't think you can blame the > crystal. Well - I did load a program which played an eTracker tune, which sounded okay. But that may not have been especially timing-dependent. Andrew -- +----------------+-----------------------------+----------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | to a fool | +----------------+-----------------------------+ and he calls | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | you foolish | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | -- Euripides | +----------------------------------------------+----------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jul 6 14:20:21 1998 From: "E.P.R.P. Blink" Organization: Hanzehogeschool Groningen To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 15:15:21 MET Subject: Re: Bleurgh! More bad news, I'm afraid :( X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <240E7095F10@mail1.pl.hanze.nl> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1943 Lines: 53 > > > Bah. I guess it wasn't the ASIC then. > > > > I did have my doubts. Unfortunately I haven't got a circuit diagram of the > > Sam to hand to see what else might be wrong. Does your SCART input take > > RGB signals or composite video? > > Composite. It connects the Sam's SCART composite video and stereo sound > signals to three phono-type plugs. Ah Ha ! Composite RGB is converted by the MC1477 and its output is amplified by a transistor and both are powered by 12 Volt. If You've got a voltmeter check the SAMs powersupply gives 12V(actually somewere between 11V amd 13V). Or try a different power supply. Replace the transistor (somewere left obove the MC1477P I think. Got to check it out to be sure). Otherwise replace the MC 1477P. If you can try to connect your SAM to a RGB TV/monitor if it gives a good picture its one of the above. > > What I'd try if it were my Sam is testing the RGB signal by connecting > > the sync and one of the colour signals together to the composite video > > input pin on my video. This should give a monochrome picture. If we > > established that the RGB worked while the composite didn't I'd suspect > > the circuit containing the MC1377. But since I think the RGB signals > > come straight from the ASIC it would be puzzling if it turned out they > > didn't work. > > Hmmm. I would not recomend to fool around with the scart connector. If you have little or no experience. I know quite some people who did and blew up one of the ASICs RGB signals in the progress. > > > If you have sound you might try running something to see whether the > > timing is correct. If it is then I don't think you can blame the > > crystal. > > Well - I did load a program which played an eTracker tune, which sounded > okay. But that may not have been especially timing-dependent. If you don't have a DPU in your SAM and youre floppy drive works then the crystal is OK. Edwin Blink From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jul 6 21:32:58 1998 From: David Ledbury at To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:35:15 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Real Sam Users List 3/7/98 In-reply-to: Message-Id: <19980706203101Z49388-8762+166@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 523 Lines: 22 > From: Dan Doore > Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 10:14:44 +0000 > To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Subject: Real Sam Users List 3/7/98 > Reply-to: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > > The Unknown Sam Users: > > janowska@usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl > jadams1644@aol.com Wasn't this John Adams?.... Haven't heard from him for a bit > markus@enterprise.net > matthewh@top2.ficnet.net.tw Hmmmm.... why does this one sound so familiar? > Samsboss@Postmaster.co.uk Never heard of him. :) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jul 7 12:50:33 1998 Message-Id: <9807071147.AA32573@mars.cableol.net> From: Neil Maynard To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 12:47:18 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: A REAL Sam related question!!!! X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 268 Lines: 10 Yes thats right a REAL sam question- Is there a way in Sam Basic to save just the variables of a Program without the code. You can do it on a spectrum by poking two addresses and I want to know is there an equivalent on the Sam and if so what it is! Thanks Neil From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jul 7 12:56:38 1998 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: A REAL Sam related question!!!! References: <9807071147.AA32573@mars.cableol.net> From: Lee Willis Date: 07 Jul 1998 12:53:54 +0100 In-Reply-To: "Neil Maynard"'s message of Tue, 7 Jul 1998 12:47:18 +0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 780 Lines: 20 "Neil Maynard" writes: > Yes thats right a REAL sam question- > > Is there a way in Sam Basic to save just the variables of a Program > without the code. You can do it on a spectrum by poking two addresses > and I want to know is there an equivalent on the Sam and if so what > it is! I don't think so off the top of my head ( I s'pose you could find the start and length of the address area and save that as a code chunk ...) but I can't think why you'd want to do it anyway ... The only reason I can think of would be to save program state but I doubt that the variables are guaranteed to be in the same order etc. so I doubt it'd work anyway ... Just some random thoughts ... Lee -- Bitchiness on standby sir,.......prepare the claws.......miaowww From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jul 7 12:58:47 1998 Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 12:56:07 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@red.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: A REAL Sam related question!!!! In-Reply-To: <9807071147.AA32573@mars.cableol.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1155 Lines: 27 On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Neil Maynard wrote: > Is there a way in Sam Basic to save just the variables of a Program > without the code. You can do it on a spectrum by poking two addresses > and I want to know is there an equivalent on the Sam and if so what > it is! That kind of depends on exactly what you want to do afterwards..... One way is to remove the lines of the program (use something like DELETE 0 TO) and then save it, since only the variables are left. But that's not much use if you're trying to do this as part of your program, eg for saving preferences. Why exactly are you trying to do this? There's probably a more elegant way to achieve your particular goal. Andrew -- +----------------+-----------------------------+----------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | to a fool | +----------------+-----------------------------+ and he calls | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | you foolish | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | -- Euripides | +----------------------------------------------+----------------+ From imc Tue Jul 7 13:03:27 1998 Subject: Re: A REAL Sam related question!!!! In-Reply-To: from Lee Willis at "Jul 7, 98 12:53:54 pm" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:03:27 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 736 Lines: 16 On 07 Jul 1998 12:53:54 +0100, Lee Willis said: > > Is there a way in Sam Basic to save just the variables of a Program > > without the code. You can do it on a spectrum by poking two addresses > > and I want to know is there an equivalent on the Sam and if so what > > it is! > I don't think so off the top of my head ( I s'pose you could find the > start and length of the address area and save that as a code chunk ...) > but I can't think why you'd want to do it anyway ... I see no reason why you couldn't poke PROG (three bytes starting at 5A9F) to be the same as NVARS (5A87) just as you do on the Spectrum (or should that be NVARS-1 - I think the Sam might have a program end marker which the Spectrum doesn't have). imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jul 7 13:08:54 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <8025663A.0042A3F4.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:09:53 +0100 Subject: Re: A REAL Sam related question!!!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 376 Lines: 16 >Is there a way in Sam Basic to save just the variables of a Program >without the code. You can do it on a spectrum by poking two addresses >and I want to know is there an equivalent on the Sam and if so what >it is! can't you just do: SAVE "name" DATA ? I'm sure you can save individual variables like SAVE "name" DATA lollpop$ Then again, it's been a while... Justin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jul 7 14:29:53 1998 From: "E.P.R.P. Blink" Organization: Hanzehogeschool Groningen To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:23:38 MET Subject: Re: A REAL Sam related question!!!! X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <2590B895D0D@mail1.pl.hanze.nl> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1087 Lines: 38 From: "Neil Maynard" Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 12:47:18 +0000 > Is there a way in Sam Basic to save just the variables of a Program > without the code. You can do it on a spectrum by poking two addresses > and I want to know is there an equivalent on the Sam and if so what > it is! Not in the same way. SAM splits variables into two groups: Numeric and strings/arrays. between them is a small gap (about 512 bytes) for speed reasons. Each group has a 3 byte variable. and I believe the ELINE variable points to the end (I think). So two saves would be required. I'm not sure it works at all. Maybe the SAM will crash. The addresses are in the tech manual. Don't remember what they are. to SAVE only the vars you could also do DELETE TO last line SAVE "program" you can reload them in your program by MERGE "program" To save a string or array as code SAVE "String" CODE LENGTH (0,a$),len a$ reload it with: LOAD "string" CODE LENGTH (0,a$) Note that A$ must be defined with the same length before loading. Edwin Blink. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jul 7 14:45:29 1998 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: A REAL Sam related question!!!! References: <2590B895D0D@mail1.pl.hanze.nl> From: Lee Willis Date: 07 Jul 1998 14:41:05 +0100 In-Reply-To: "E.P.R.P. Blink"'s message of Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:23:38 MET Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1006 Lines: 31 "E.P.R.P. Blink" writes: > From: "Neil Maynard" > Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 12:47:18 +0000 > > > Is there a way in Sam Basic to save just the variables of a Program > > without the code. You can do it on a spectrum by poking two addresses > > and I want to know is there an equivalent on the Sam and if so what > > it is! > > DELETE TO last line > SAVE "program" I'd got that far in my train of thought but I couldn't for the life of me work out how on earth you'd reload them and still have them assigned properly, seems I'd forgotten about > MERGE "program" too long without my SAM, must dig it out someday soon, and get back onto it ... after all wrestling with Z80 assembler's a doddle compared to compiling dodgy fax handling programs with dodgy compilers :( [Snipped advice] Well I'm just glad theres at least one intelligent person around today ;) Lee. -- Bitchiness on standby sir,.......prepare the claws.......miaowww From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jul 7 23:16:30 1998 Message-Id: <9807072213.AA15883@mars.cableol.net> From: Neil Maynard To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 23:18:22 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: A REAL Sam related question!!!! References: <9807071147.AA32573@mars.cableol.net> In-Reply-To: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 854 Lines: 25 > On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Neil Maynard wrote: > > > Is there a way in Sam Basic to save just the variables of a Program > > without the code. You can do it on a spectrum by poking two addresses > > and I want to know is there an equivalent on the Sam and if so what > > it is! > > That kind of depends on exactly what you want to do afterwards..... > > One way is to remove the lines of the program (use something like DELETE 0 > TO) and then save it, since only the variables are left. But that's not > much use if you're trying to do this as part of your program, eg for > saving preferences. > > Why exactly are you trying to do this? There's probably a more elegant way > to achieve your particular goal. > > Andrew > What I am doing is converting an old game I wrote on my speccy about 12 years ago!! I used it to create 'save games'. Neil From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jul 7 23:27:56 1998 Message-Id: <199807072219.AAA19790@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: A REAL Sam related question!!!! Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 00:21:15 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1100 Lines: 30 > Van: Andrew Collier > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Onderwerp: Re: A REAL Sam related question!!!! > Datum: Tuesday, July 07, 1998 1:56 > That kind of depends on exactly what you want to do afterwards..... > > One way is to remove the lines of the program (use something like DELETE 0 > TO) and then save it, since only the variables are left. But that's not > much use if you're trying to do this as part of your program, eg for > saving preferences. Whoa that sounds like ZX81, first a program to create the data, remove all lines (if lucky we are talking about hundreds here) and than enter the actual program itself. Meanwhile don't even stare at your 81 for more than 2 secconds because its rampack would wobble. Save the program and data on tape and never see it again because of a tape-loading error. > Why exactly are you trying to do this? There's probably a more elegant way > to achieve your particular goal. Must be :) -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Mind you if we call you "Bruce", it might otherwise cause some confusion. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jul 8 09:13:33 1998 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: A REAL Sam related question!!!! References: <9807071147.AA32573@mars.cableol.net> <9807072213.AA15883@mars.cableol.net> From: Lee Willis Date: 08 Jul 1998 09:11:03 +0100 In-Reply-To: "Neil Maynard"'s message of Tue, 7 Jul 1998 23:18:22 +0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1069 Lines: 27 "Neil Maynard" writes: > > On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Neil Maynard wrote: > > > > > Is there a way in Sam Basic to save just the variables of a Program > > > without the code. You can do it on a spectrum by poking two addresses > > > and I want to know is there an equivalent on the Sam and if so what > > > it is! > > > > Why exactly are you trying to do this? There's probably a more elegant way > > to achieve your particular goal. > > > > Andrew > > What I am doing is converting an old game I wrote on my speccy about > 12 years ago!! I used it to create 'save games'. The best thing to do from a 'moral' or 'elegant' point of view would be to save all the important data into a nice well documented data structure in memory somewhere and then save it as a code file, the question being whether or not you can be arsed ;) Shouldn't be too difficult though and that at least ensures that you're only saving the stuff you actually need rather than _everything_ .... Lee. -- Bitchiness on standby sir,.......prepare the claws.......miaowww From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jul 8 19:41:28 1998 X-Authentication-Warning: muon.mono.org: unc owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 19:38:06 +0100 (BST) From: Tim To: Sam Users Mailing List Subject: I'm back. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 876 Lines: 25 To see if things have calmed down, and to stir things up a bit. Could two people each answer the following questions, to ensure that the conflicting views will both be aired, and I can pick between them. I don't care why you disagree, so just the two answers will do ;-) 1) What is the situation with FRED, I thought I saw a news posting about it being under new management and #82 coming out later this month? How is the new management? and is it coming out (since I just resubbed, and sent of 3 submissions, I'm interested in this) 2) Any developments on SamSon? 3) Or the hard disk? 4) Bob > what did you think of the fireworks on saturday? That's all, nice to be back ;) ....@/ .............................................................................@/ Unc - Tim Paveley - Moderator of "The Games Room" & "Ascii Animations" http://www.mono.org/~unc/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jul 8 20:13:26 1998 From: David Ledbury at To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 20:15:02 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Curses! Bad news, I'm afraid :( In-reply-to: <359C8942.B4D@AnySIM.de> Message-Id: <19980708191032Z49493-8762+621@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 552 Lines: 17 > Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 09:33:22 +0200 > From: Christof Odenthal > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Subject: Re: Curses! Bad news, I'm afraid :( > Reply-to: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Date: Wed, 8 Jul 98 20:02:05 BST > is this Asic-breakdown a common problem / does it happen > often ? I don't want it happen to my Sam... > > bye, > Christof. Think Andrews just had a run of bad luck with his SAMs... every time he's about to work on something exciting too :( David (touching wood!) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jul 8 22:29:43 1998 From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Real Sam Users List 3/7/98 Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 21:20:05 GMT Message-ID: <35a5ab9b.3351894@mail.enterprise.net> References: <19980706203101Z49388-8762+166@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> In-Reply-To: <19980706203101Z49388-8762+166@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 448 Lines: 24 On Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:35:15 +0000, David Ledbury at wrote: >> jadams1644@aol.com > >Wasn't this John Adams?.... Haven't heard from him for a bit Yeah, I thought he was organising some kind of SAM FAQ. >> matthewh@top2.ficnet.net.tw >Hmmmm.... why does this one sound so familiar? erm.. I remember a Matthew Hunt who used to write for SCAC... Could it be? Bye, _ |_)ave (/\)hitmore http://homepages.enterprise.net/davewhitmore/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jul 8 22:49:51 1998 From: David Ledbury at To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:47:41 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Real Sam Users List 3/7/98 In-reply-to: <35a5ab9b.3351894@mail.enterprise.net> References: <19980706203101Z49388-8762+166@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Message-Id: <19980708214317Z49545-8762+640@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 726 Lines: 30 > From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Subject: Re: Real Sam Users List 3/7/98 > Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 21:20:05 GMT > Reply-to: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Date: Wed, 8 Jul 98 22:41:35 BST > On Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:35:15 +0000, David Ledbury at wrote: > > > >> jadams1644@aol.com > > > >Wasn't this John Adams?.... Haven't heard from him for a bit > > Yeah, I thought he was organising some kind of SAM FAQ. Hmmmm...?? > >> matthewh@top2.ficnet.net.tw > > > >Hmmmm.... why does this one sound so familiar? > > erm.. I remember a Matthew Hunt who used to write for SCAC... > > Could it be? I dunno... the .tw is an unusual bit? > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jul 9 09:07:34 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <8025663C.002B6205.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:06:27 +0100 Subject: Re: I'm back. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1371 Lines: 47 >To see if things have calmed down, and to stir things up a bit. Welcome. :) You missed all the interesting SAM-specific stuff about MIDI and other things.... >Could two people each answer the following questions, to ensure that the >conflicting views will both be aired, and I can pick between them. I >don't care why you disagree, so just the two answers will do ;-) Will I do? (Actually, I'm bored here so I'm going to answer anyway! :)) >1) What is the situation with FRED, I thought I saw a news posting about >it being under new management and #82 coming out later this month? How is >the new management? and is it coming out (since I just resubbed, and sent >of 3 submissions, I'm interested in this) I'm looking for the answer to this too. I'm hoping to get hold of a copy of SAM Paint.... (Perhaps I should read that copy of Format that dropped through my letterbox the other week back) >2) Any developments on SamSon? Umm... no overt developments have seemed to have taken place... >3) Or the hard disk? ATOM's release date soon? David? Edwin? >4) Bob > what did you think of the fireworks on saturday? Umm.... Fireworks? Umm.. I'm not Bob... Umm.. How about this Saturday? Watford is having its Rainbow Festival with lots of stuff, apparently, taking pace with Fireworks.... >That's all, nice to be back ;) Hoping it's for good, Justin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jul 9 12:07:42 1998 From: "E.P.R.P. Blink" Organization: Hanzehogeschool Groningen To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 13:01:56 MET Subject: Re: Bleurgh! More bad news, I'm afraid :( X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <286B09B7727@mail1.pl.hanze.nl> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 109 Lines: 6 > Replace the transistor .... The transistor is N7 located above the MC1477. Its a BC 547B Edwin Blink From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jul 9 18:15:42 1998 From: David Ledbury at To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 18:17:22 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: I'm back. In-reply-to: <8025663C.002B6205.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Message-Id: <19980709171256Z49315-23443+160@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1864 Lines: 55 > From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:06:27 +0100 > Subject: Re: I'm back. > Reply-to: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Date: Thu, 9 Jul 98 18:07:28 BST > >To see if things have calmed down, and to stir things up a bit. > > Welcome. :) > > You missed all the interesting SAM-specific stuff about MIDI and other > things.... > > > >Could two people each answer the following questions, to ensure that the > >conflicting views will both be aired, and I can pick between them. I > >don't care why you disagree, so just the two answers will do ;-) > > Will I do? (Actually, I'm bored here so I'm going to answer anyway! :)) > > > >1) What is the situation with FRED, I thought I saw a news posting about > >it being under new management and #82 coming out later this month? How is > >the new management? and is it coming out (since I just resubbed, and sent > >of 3 submissions, I'm interested in this) > > I'm looking for the answer to this too. I'm hoping to get hold of > a copy of SAM Paint.... (Perhaps I should read that copy of Format that > dropped through my letterbox the other week back) AFAIK It's now in the hands of George Boyle - and last I heard he was about to release an issue in about 3 weeks time. On the subject of SAM Paint - there's a very good version of SAM Paint which has been modified for usage on the Atom. I understand that George has expressed an interest in buying an Atom shortly, so I'd expect he'd be selling this shortly as well ;) > >2) Any developments on SamSon? > > Umm... no overt developments have seemed to have taken place... Tee hee ;) > >3) Or the hard disk? > > ATOM's release date soon? David? Edwin? Best check with Mack.... I believe it's available either now or shortly .... 0161 7970651 David From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jul 9 19:12:57 1998 From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: A REAL Sam related question!!!! Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 18:08:05 GMT Message-ID: <35abe8df.39860838@mail.enterprise.net> References: <9807071147.AA32573@mars.cableol.net> <9807072213.AA15883@mars.cableol.net> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1252 Lines: 31 On 08 Jul 1998 09:11:03 +0100, Lee Willis wrote: >> > > Is there a way in Sam Basic to save just the variables of a Program >> > > without the code. You can do it on a spectrum by poking two addresses > >The best thing to do from a 'moral' or 'elegant' point of view would be >to save all the important data into a nice well documented data >structure in memory somewhere and then save it as a code file, the >question being whether or not you can be arsed ;) Shouldn't be too >difficult though and that at least ensures that you're only saving the >stuff you actually need rather than _everything_ .... Yep. Like Edwin said, get hold of your variables (fnar) and poke them (watch it - Ed) to an unused memory location. If you've got diferent bits of DIM(d) data, make allowances for the lengths, do the same, and save the lot as one code block. Then for your loading bit, just dimension your variables again, load the code, and poke the different values back to the string$/numericals, or whatever. Dave Seems my webspace has been wiped - or has it? (He can't be arsed checking - Ed). Normal service will be resumed between now and the turn of the millennium. Bye, _ |_)ave (/\)hitmore http://homepages.enterprise.net/davewhitmore/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jul 10 11:57:45 1998 Message-ID: <35A5F08B.2BCA@AnySIM.de> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:44:27 +0200 From: Christof Odenthal X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Converting Sam-files+screens for internet References: <19980703012802Z49534-10465+254@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1561 Lines: 41 Hello, i've now tried the following programs for file conversion (sam to pc and vice versa). This are my experiences: - teledisk: Can only handle entire disks. A Sam disk will be read out into a compressed archive on the PC with the extension ".TD0". The procedure can be reversed to make a copy of this disk. It doesn't work on my Acorn RiscPC (with PC emulation) since it seems to use direct floppy controller access. - samdisk: Same as teledisk, but the archive isn't compressed and hasn't got a special file extension (so you can't recognize a file as samdisk-file). It works on my Acorn RiscPC. - dir/samdir: A one-way-ticket: Only Sam to PC conversion. Seems to work on my Acorn. - sam2ms/sam2dos: Seems to be the most usable to me since it can convert single files in both direction and can show the sam directory. It could be more comfortable (display the Sam and PC directory so that you can select multiple files for transfer - like Norton Commander). In the registered version of the Spectrum emulator Z80 (G.A. Lunter) was a utility called convert.exe. It could convert Speccy CODE, BASIC, DATA and SCREEN$-Files to PC (text, binary data, GIF- or PCX-picture). I haven't tried the SAM>BMP converter, yet. bye, Christof. -- \ | / (-O-O-) -----oooO--(_)--Oooo----- mailto: Odenthal@AnySIM.de homepg: http://www.muenchen.org/homepages/bm347689/index.html From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jul 10 14:48:48 1998 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:42:02 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Dave Subject: Re: Converting Sam-files+screens for internet MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 3.05 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 799 Lines: 19 >In the registered version of the Spectrum emulator Z80 (G.A. Lunter) >was a utility called convert.exe. It could convert Speccy CODE, >BASIC, DATA and SCREEN$-Files to PC (text, binary data, GIF- or >PCX-picture). I haven't tried the SAM>BMP converter, yet. there's a program on the nvg site to convert a sam BASIC file (stored on an ms-dos disk or hard disk, eg, using ke-disk) into an ms-dos .txt file, but it's hideously un-user friendly. (i know, i wrote it). it's useful if you've written some stuff in basic but want to put it on the internet, for example, as a text file. it should really be incorporated into one of the other programs you mentioned, or, of course, into some kind of 'universal' convert.exe program to convert any sam stuff to any other kind of stuff. -- Dave -- Dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jul 10 19:27:32 1998 From: Gouranga Message-ID: <897bd03d.35a6572f@aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:02:08 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: I'm back. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 168 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1039 Lines: 20 > 1) What is the situation with FRED, I thought I saw a news posting about > it being under new management and #82 coming out later this month? How is > the new management? and is it coming out (since I just resubbed, and sent > of 3 submissions, I'm interested in this) George agreed several months ago to take it, but hasn't yet signed the contract - or indeed published an issue yet. Darren has, so for once, he's not the holdup. George works odd hours so I'm not able to get in touch with him because I'm only in for an hour or two each day (working eh? what fun). But anyone that's interested in chasing him up can call him on 01937 583827. If you sent submissions to Darren, I'd check with George as to whether they ever actually arrive. Although I can't do anything with submissions/orders at the moment, anything sent to the old Dundee address will get passed on just as soon as it's all sorted out. In the meantime, I believe Bob still has limited stocks of some FRED stock - give him a bell if you're after stuff. Colin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jul 10 21:49:50 1998 From: David Ledbury at To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 21:48:21 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: I'm back. In-reply-to: <897bd03d.35a6572f@aol.com> Message-Id: <19980710204357Z49452-23443+404@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 537 Lines: 14 > From: > Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:02:08 EDT > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Subject: Re: I'm back. > Reply-to: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Date: Fri, 10 Jul 98 21:18:29 BST > In the meantime, I believe Bob still has limited stocks of some FRED stock - > give him a bell if you're after stuff. I think if you want to buy Fred titles from George... I understand he doesnt live in gloucester, he actually lives at: 32 Barleyfields Rd, Wetherby, West Yorkshire. LS22 6PN From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jul 11 10:32:57 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: <7d5baec7.35a72f7a@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 05:25:13 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: I'm back. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows sub 178 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 511 Lines: 16 In a message dated 10/07/98 20:50:38, you write: > > > In the meantime, I believe Bob still has limited stocks of some FRED stock > - > > give him a bell if you're after stuff. > > I think if you want to buy Fred titles from George... I understand he > doesnt live in gloucester, he actually lives at: 32 Barleyfields Rd, > Wetherby, West Yorkshire. LS22 6PN > But from what Colin said in his email, George is not yet able to produce Fred titles, so how can anyone get anything from him? Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jul 11 13:24:47 1998 From: David Ledbury at To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 13:24:29 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: I'm back. In-reply-to: <7d5baec7.35a72f7a@aol.com> Message-Id: <19980711121958Z49308-23443+494@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1242 Lines: 40 > From: > Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 05:25:13 EDT > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Subject: Re: I'm back. > Reply-to: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Date: Sat, 11 Jul 98 13:13:51 BST > In a message dated 10/07/98 20:50:38, you write: > > > > > > In the meantime, I believe Bob still has limited stocks of some FRED > stock > > - > > > give him a bell if you're after stuff. > > > > I think if you want to buy Fred titles from George... I understand he > > doesnt live in gloucester, he actually lives at: 32 Barleyfields Rd, > > Wetherby, West Yorkshire. LS22 6PN > > > But from what Colin said in his email, George is not yet able to produce Fred > titles, so how can anyone get anything from him? > > Bill. Well Bill, in the absense of copies contracts from Colin and George in front of me I dont think it's my place to comment. Nor yours. But needless to say that if Bob is selling certain titles that were Ex-Fred I dont think Malcolm will be very happy. Boing, for example, is no-longer sold by Fred. So It'd be very appreciated Colin - if you're reading - for a list of these titles so all parties concerned know what's being talked about here. David From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jul 11 13:31:18 1998 From: David Ledbury at To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 13:29:47 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: I'm back. In-reply-to: <897bd03d.35a6572f@aol.com> Message-Id: <19980711122521Z49320-23443+495@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1383 Lines: 31 > From: > Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:02:08 EDT > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Subject: Re: I'm back. > Reply-to: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Date: Fri, 10 Jul 98 21:18:29 BST > > 1) What is the situation with FRED, I thought I saw a news posting about > > it being under new management and #82 coming out later this month? How is > > the new management? and is it coming out (since I just resubbed, and sent > > of 3 submissions, I'm interested in this) > > George agreed several months ago to take it, but hasn't yet signed the > contract - or indeed published an issue yet. Darren has, so for once, he's not > the holdup. George works odd hours so I'm not able to get in touch with him >From what I understand ... 82 is out in about two weeks .... as for the delay bringing out an issue... the fact that Darren, Colin A, nor anyone else has given him any material meant he had to build up a new team of contributors for his first issue. (BTW - Ringing George is NOT a good idea.... he works odd shift hours and after ringing him to check when 82 is out ... he wasn't exactly pleased with being woken up after only a couple of hours kip!) Oh BTW Bill... If he isn't allowed to sell software.... how come Colin's commenting about him not bringing out an issue of the disk? Isn't that software? David From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jul 12 15:16:53 1998 From: Gouranga Message-ID: <5d69f5a5.35a8c368@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 10:08:39 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: I'm back. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 168 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1233 Lines: 26 > Well Bill, in the absense of copies contracts from Colin and George > in front of me I dont think it's my place to comment. Sorry David - they're private contracts. > But needless to say that if Bob is selling certain titles that were > Ex-Fred I dont think Malcolm will be very happy. > Boing, for example, is no-longer sold by Fred. The FRED contract with Rob Holman did indeed expire, and the copyright on the code reverted. But everytime someone has brought this up before I've had to point out that the copyright on all the graphics remain mine. > So It'd be very appreciated Colin - if you're reading - for a list of > these titles so all parties concerned know what's being talked about > here. Will do sometime I've more time. For the record, Bob has stock of some FRED titles, he isn't publishing them. But neither can George - yet! I assume George is working on FRED82 so that as soon as he signs he has an issue to publish. George has a lot of work to do and I'd imagine would appreciate any help anyone can offer - particularly submissions - articles, pictures, demos, utilities, games, news, reviews etc etc. Anything sent to the Dundee address will be passed on as soon as everything is finalised. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jul 12 15:55:04 1998 From: David Ledbury at To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:53:51 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: I'm back. In-reply-to: <5d69f5a5.35a8c368@aol.com> Message-Id: <19980712144159Z49417-23443+613@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2375 Lines: 58 > From: > Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 10:08:39 EDT > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Subject: Re: I'm back. > Reply-to: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Date: Sun, 12 Jul 98 15:33:38 BST > > Well Bill, in the absense of copies contracts from Colin and George > > in front of me I dont think it's my place to comment. > > Sorry David - they're private contracts. If you read the original posting you would realise it was a sarcastic comment to someone who thought he knew business between you two as well as you yourself... IYSWIM. > > But needless to say that if Bob is selling certain titles that were > > Ex-Fred I dont think Malcolm will be very happy. > > Boing, for example, is no-longer sold by Fred. > > The FRED contract with Rob Holman did indeed expire, and the copyright on the > code reverted. But everytime someone has brought this up before I've had to > point out that the copyright on all the graphics remain mine. I can't see how this would be myself... but that's not my concern. > > So It'd be very appreciated Colin - if you're reading - for a list of > > these titles so all parties concerned know what's being talked about > > here. > > Will do sometime I've more time. Good. > For the record, Bob has stock of some FRED titles, he isn't publishing them. > But neither can George - yet! Fair enough. But in interests of fairness I dont think he (Bob) should be able to sell things if it means George will lose sales... If people want things... surely they can wait a week or two? >I assume George is working on FRED82 so that as > soon as he signs he has an issue to publish. George has a lot of work to do > and I'd imagine would appreciate any help anyone can offer - particularly > submissions - articles, pictures, demos, utilities, games, news, reviews etc > etc. Anything sent to the Dundee address will be passed on as soon as > everything is finalised. Judging by the posting that Tim made... he sent material to Darren. How much else has gotten lost? From what George said to me (although he was half asleep... and rather annoyed at being called!) he'd honour the sub if Tim can send him something from his bank to prove it... in absense of full info from Darren on recent subs. Sounds fair enough to me. David (Who'd be glad to see Fred back again) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jul 12 17:17:31 1998 From: Gouranga Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 12:12:17 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: I'm back. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 168 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1060 Lines: 27 > Fair enough. But in interests of fairness I dont think he (Bob) > should be able to sell things if it means George will lose sales... > If people want things... surely they can wait a week or two? > > >I assume George is working on FRED82 so that as > > soon as he signs he has an issue to publish. George has a lot of work to > do > > and I'd imagine would appreciate any help anyone can offer - particularly > > submissions - articles, pictures, demos, utilities, games, news, reviews > etc > > etc. Anything sent to the Dundee address will be passed on as soon as > > everything is finalised. > > Judging by the posting that Tim made... he sent material to Darren. > How much else has gotten lost? From what George said to me (although > he was half asleep... and rather annoyed at being called!) he'd > honour the sub if Tim can send him something from his bank to prove > it... in absense of full info from Darren on recent subs. Sounds fair > enough to me. > > David > > (Who'd be glad to see Fred back again) > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jul 13 22:48:59 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:40:20 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: I'm back. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows sub 178 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 532 Lines: 15 In a message dated 12/07/98 14:55:21, you write: > > For the record, Bob has stock of some FRED titles, he isn't publishing > them. > > But neither can George - yet! > > Fair enough. But in interests of fairness I dont think he (Bob) > should be able to sell things if it means George will lose sales... > If people want things... surely they can wait a week or two? If someone (you for instance) buys stock of something, do you think it is wrong to sell that stock? Because that is what you seem to be saying. Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jul 13 22:49:13 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:33:36 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: I'm back. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows sub 178 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 361 Lines: 14 In a message dated 11/07/98 12:25:50, you write: > > Well Bill, in the absense of copies contracts from Colin and George > in front of me I dont think it's my place to comment. > > Nor yours. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but it was you that stuck your nose into something that had nothing to do with you - I just pointed out your mistake. Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jul 13 23:01:55 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:36:20 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: I'm back. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows sub 178 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 848 Lines: 23 In a message dated 11/07/98 12:31:55, you write: > > From what I understand ... 82 is out in about two weeks .... as for > the delay bringing out an issue... the fact that Darren, Colin A, nor > anyone else has given him any material meant he had to build up a new > team of contributors for his first issue. You mean Colin Anderton is not Freditor anymore? > > (BTW - Ringing George is NOT a good idea.... he works odd shift hours > and after ringing him to check when 82 is out ... he wasn't exactly > pleased with being woken up after only a couple of hours kip!) > > Oh BTW Bill... If he isn't allowed to sell software.... how come > Colin's commenting about him not bringing out an issue of the disk? > Isn't that software? Colin said the contracts were not signed. I think that was clear enough. > > David Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jul 13 23:01:56 1998 Message-Id: <199807132156.WAA00323@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> From: Paul Walker Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:56:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: I'm back. In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 469 Lines: 12 > If someone (you for instance) buys stock of something, do you think it is > wrong to sell that stock? Because that is what you seem to be saying. I'm not sure he was saying that as such; merely that it might be nicer to wait until George has time to "find his feet", so to speak. Paul -- ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ---- FidoNet: 2:254/211.44 2:442/103.13 ---> http://www.craybbs.co.uk/foti <--- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jul 13 23:31:58 1998 Message-ID: <19980713222628.14954.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [207.220.174.38] From: Simon Cooke To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: I'm back. Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:26:27 PDT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 778 Lines: 23 >If someone (you for instance) buys stock of something, do you think it is >wrong to sell that stock? Because that is what you seem to be saying. > > >Bill. That depends. If Stock means printed manuals (not photocopies), plus colour printed covers (not photocopies), plus on-disk printed disk labels (not sticky labels), then sure, it's fine. If stock means that Bob can just take a master, copy it onto a blank disk, photocopy the instructions, photocopy the inlay, and sell it, and do this *whenever* he gets an order without ever running out of stock (which happened with Prince of Persia), then yes, it's wrong. But I don't care any more anyway. Simon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jul 14 02:06:27 1998 Message-ID: <001401bdaec2$da222080$403a70c2@wavy> From: Gavin Smith To: sam-users Subject: Re: I'm back. Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 02:00:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 594 Lines: 17 -----Original Message----- From: BillRitman@aol.com >If someone (you for instance) buys stock of something, do you think it is >wrong to sell that stock? Because that is what you seem to be saying. > > >Bill. Hang on, is this another example of the incredible phenonema where Bob buys a *limited* stock of something and then for the next four thousand years as an *infinite* supply of it?! I remember buying Prince of Persia years and years ago after it was advertised as "the last few in stock!" or something similar - you aren't still selling them are you?! :) Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jul 14 20:36:45 1998 From: Gouranga Message-ID: <405653c8.35abb260@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:32:47 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: I'm back. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 168 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 822 Lines: 17 BillR, you're being argumentative and pointless again. Not healthy. Gavin, this is an example of the seemingly unbelievable phenomena where I trade stock that I produced (legally - whether photocopied or not, but you'll find it isn't photocopied) with Bob. I got a good deal at the time, and Bob gets kosher stock to do with as he pleases - but the sooner he shifts it, the sooner the new owner gets 100% of the sales. Apologies for abruptness. > Hang on, is this another example of the incredible phenonema where Bob buys > a *limited* stock of something and then for the next four thousand years as > an *infinite* supply of it?! I remember buying Prince of Persia years and > years ago after it was advertised as "the last few in stock!" or something > similar - you aren't still selling them are you?! :) > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jul 15 10:55:08 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <3c9d1560.35ac7b2a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 05:49:29 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: I'm back. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1884 Lines: 56 In a message dated 13/07/98 22:41:55, you write: >o > >>If someone (you for instance) buys stock of something, do you think it >is >>wrong to sell that stock? Because that is what you seem to be saying. >> >> >>Bill. > >That depends. If Stock means printed manuals (not photocopies), plus >colour printed covers (not photocopies), plus on-disk printed disk >labels (not sticky labels), then sure, it's fine. 1) Many manuals are photocopied in the first place. In the SAM world I have to point out that in the main, if they were printed, then they were printed by me :) 2) Did many games, other than Fred, Revelation and Enigma ever have printed colour covers? 3) Did many games have on-body printing on the disc? I've just looked through my collection and there was not many. > >If stock means that Bob can just take a master, copy it onto a blank >disk, photocopy the instructions, photocopy the inlay, and sell it, and >do this *whenever* he gets an order without ever running out of stock >(which happened with Prince of Persia), then yes, it's wrong. That is NOT what happened with PoP. Nor with any other product (except the Enigma games where we purchased recorded discs [many of which we have since used as blanks for other software] but had to produce inlays and labels). PoP was sold in the following ways:- 1) In original boxes, prepacked with instructions and discs as purchased from Samco (in liquidation). These of course were purchased free of any contract obligations which were the responsibility of the liquidator. 2) Stock produced to fill empty boxes also purchased from Samco in liquidation (records show that to be 30-35 in number with, ISTR, around 10 of those still being in stock). 3) After the original contract had expired a deal was done which involved repacking. > >But I don't care any more anyway. Then why raise it? > >Simon -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jul 16 21:37:40 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: <7b7ecea4.35ae631c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:31:23 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: I'm back. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows sub 178 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 244 Lines: 9 In a message dated 14/07/98 19:37:39, you write: > > BillR, you're being argumentative and pointless again. Not healthy. > No I wasn't. I pointed out an error that someone clearly made when reading your email - that was all I did. Bill. From mstead@krisalis.co.uk Fri Jul 17 14:25:31 1998 From: mstead@krisalis.co.uk Message-ID: To: Ian.Collier@comlab Cc: ben@charm.il.ft.hse.n, d.c.hooper@sms.ed.ac.uk, janowska@usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl, sh5655@bristol.ac.uk, ft@edh.ericsson.se, dean@error.demon.co.uk, Gouranga@aol.com, blackadder@orinocco.demon.co.uk, Stefan_Drissen@nl.coopers.com, rjvveeke@caiw.nl, D.M.Zambonini@cs.cf.ac.uk, slawek@math.uni-goettingen.de, l.willis@comp.brad.ac.uk, BrenchleyR@aol.com, IDalziel@idalziel.demon.co.uk, sskardon@argonet.co.uk, 101762.2062@compuserve.com, switney@huggable.demon.co.uk, ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk, c_piggot@hotmail.com, D.A.Fulton@durham.ac.uk, davewhitmore@enterprise.net, BillRitman@aol.com, wayne@rflect.demon.co.uk, samcoupe@cadderly.demon.co.uk, persona@clara.net, PGLOVER43@aol.com, davidm@enterprise.net, James@lhutz.demon.co.uk, gary@avtech.demon.co.uk, tombox@katowice.pkp.com.pl, peterharkess@nuearth.demon.co.uk, bbk@bbk.org, mcbi6mc2@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk, asc25@cam.ac.uk, dzambonini@orctel.co.uk, tim@twellys.demon.co.uk, rwb197@ecs.soton.ac.uk, ajchandler@hotmail.com, e.p.r.p.blink@pl.hanze.nl, mne2@cableol.co.uk, whitey@cid.prestel.co.uk, allan.skillman@arm.com, Samsboss@Postmaster.co.uk, matthewh@molly.ficnet.net, lukef@iplbath.com, nevilley@nfy53.demon.co.uk, j.d.teare@uclan.ac.uk, markus@enterprise.net, jadams1644@aol.com, dan@armature.com, Justin_Skists@case.co.uk, gavin.smith@purple.dircon.co.uk, rookyard@btinternet.com, will@digital-animations.com, grodkowski@metronet.de, odenthal@anysim.de, lee@gbdirect.co.uk, spectecjr@hotmail.com, unc@mono.org, davehandley@gensim.com, Fredsoft@Postmaster.co.uk, paul@black-sun.demon.co.uk, mstead@krisalis.co.uk, t@ox.ac.uk Subject: hello Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:25:48 +0100 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Status: RO Content-Length: 96 Lines: 9 Hello to all on sam-coupe mailing list. Anyone still write to this? 1-2, 1-2, testing. Malk From mstead@krisalis.co.uk Fri Jul 17 18:10:45 1998 From: mstead@krisalis.co.uk Message-ID: To: Ian.Collier@comlab Cc: ben@charm.il.ft.hse.n, d.c.hooper@sms.ed.ac.uk, janowska@usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl, sh5655@bristol.ac.uk, ft@edh.ericsson.se, dean@error.demon.co.uk, Gouranga@aol.com, blackadder@orinocco.demon.co.uk, Stefan_Drissen@nl.coopers.com, rjvveeke@caiw.nl, D.M.Zambonini@cs.cf.ac.uk, slawek@math.uni-goettingen.de, l.willis@comp.brad.ac.uk, BrenchleyR@aol.com, IDalziel@idalziel.demon.co.uk, sskardon@argonet.co.uk, 101762.2062@compuserve.com, switney@huggable.demon.co.uk, ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk, c_piggot@hotmail.com, D.A.Fulton@durham.ac.uk, davewhitmore@enterprise.net, BillRitman@aol.com, wayne@rflect.demon.co.uk, samcoupe@cadderly.demon.co.uk, persona@clara.net, PGLOVER43@aol.com, davidm@enterprise.net, James@lhutz.demon.co.uk, gary@avtech.demon.co.uk, tombox@katowice.pkp.com.pl, peterharkess@nuearth.demon.co.uk, bbk@bbk.org, mcbi6mc2@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk, asc25@cam.ac.uk, dzambonini@orctel.co.uk, tim@twellys.demon.co.uk, rwb197@ecs.soton.ac.uk, ajchandler@hotmail.com, e.p.r.p.blink@pl.hanze.nl, mne2@cableol.co.uk, whitey@cid.prestel.co.uk, allan.skillman@arm.com, Samsboss@Postmaster.co.uk, matthewh@molly.ficnet.net, lukef@iplbath.com, nevilley@nfy53.demon.co.uk, j.d.teare@uclan.ac.uk, markus@enterprise.net, jadams1644@aol.com, dan@armature.com, Justin_Skists@case.co.uk, gavin.smith@purple.dircon.co.uk, rookyard@btinternet.com, will@digital-animations.com, grodkowski@metronet.de, odenthal@anysim.de, lee@gbdirect.co.uk, spectecjr@hotmail.com, unc@mono.org, davehandley@gensim.com, Fredsoft@Postmaster.co.uk, paul@black-sun.demon.co.uk, mstead@krisalis.co.uk, t@ox.ac.uk Subject: hello Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:25:48 +0100 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain X-Hops: 1 Status: RO Content-Length: 96 Lines: 9 Hello to all on sam-coupe mailing list. Anyone still write to this? 1-2, 1-2, testing. Malk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jul 17 19:19:24 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:10:32 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: hello X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1512 Lines: 43 At 2:25 pm +0100 17/7/98, mstead@krisalis.co.uk wrote: >Hello to all on sam-coupe mailing list. > >Anyone still write to this? > >1-2, 1-2, > >testing. > >Malk Hello. Yes, there's still some activity on the list! But please note - to post a message to the list, you should just address it to: sam-users@nvg.unit.no and your message will automagically be sent to all the list's subscribers. Please don't try to do it "by hand", as it were. My software filters sam-users postings into a seperate folder fro the rest of my mail, and yours didn't appear in the right place because you sent it direct. Andrew PS. Frode - should the address officially be unit or ntnu? I remember you telling people it had changed to ntnu, but the reply-to headers (which I assume are automatically added at nvg) say unit. The only reason it's ever a problem is that when I reply to some messages, it is sent to both addresses by default - and appears on the list twice unless I remembered to check the headers. PPS. I asked before, but you were on holiday :) -- +----------------+-----------------------------+----------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | to a fool | +----------------+-----------------------------+ and he calls | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | you foolish | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | -- Euripides | +----------------------------------------------+----------------+ From imc Fri Jul 17 23:56:20 1998 Subject: Re: hello In-Reply-To: from Andrew Collier at "Jul 17, 98 07:10:32 pm" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 23:56:20 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 236 Lines: 8 On Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:10:32 +0100, Andrew Collier said, for the third time: > Hello. Yes, there's still some activity on the list! Argh, someone take paul@black-sun.demon.co.uk off the list quick until he's fixed his mail loop! imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jul 18 00:10:08 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 23:55:27 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: hello X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1124 Lines: 27 At 7:10 pm +0100 17/7/98, Andrew Collier wrote: >a problem is that when I reply to some messages, it is sent to both >addresses by default - and appears on the list twice unless I remembered to >check the headers. This wasn't an example of that type of message! Dunno why it came out twice, but I'm quite certain it's not my fault... Only one address in the To: field. And I definitely sent out only one copy - if you look at the headers, even the Message-Id is the same. The second copy seems to have taken a much longer route. Mine seemed to bounce around black-sun.demon.co.uk for a while... Paul? Was there a technical problem at your side? Andrew -- +----------------+-----------------------------+----------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | to a fool | +----------------+-----------------------------+ and he calls | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | you foolish | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | -- Euripides | +----------------------------------------------+----------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jul 18 10:30:51 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199807172256.XAA20262@ruby.comlab> References: from Andrew Collier at "Jul 17, 98 07:10:32 pm" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 10:24:49 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: hello X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1233 Lines: 32 At 11:56 pm +0100 17/7/98, Ian Collier wrote: >On Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:10:32 +0100, Andrew Collier said, for the third >time: >> Hello. Yes, there's still some activity on the list! > >Argh, someone take paul@black-sun.demon.co.uk off the list quick until >he's fixed his mail loop! Who remembers Ian's broken spam filter? Oh how the memories come flooding back. Now I've noticed the incrementing X-Hops: headers, so where exactly do they get added? Hmm. Curiouser and curiouser. I don't know if this is true for everybody else, but my copy of the message from mstead@krisalis.co.uk, which didn't go anywhere near nvg, also bounced around black-sun.demon.co.uk. Something strange is going on. Is this an interaction between two slightly broken servers? Andrew -- +----------------+-----------------------------+----------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | to a fool | +----------------+-----------------------------+ and he calls | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | you foolish | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | -- Euripides | +----------------------------------------------+----------------+ From imc Sat Jul 18 14:04:27 1998 Subject: Re: hello In-Reply-To: from Andrew Collier at "Jul 18, 98 10:24:49 am" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 14:04:27 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 414 Lines: 9 On Sat, 18 Jul 1998 10:24:49 +0100, Andrew Collier said: > Who remembers Ian's broken spam filter? Oh how the memories come flooding back. Technically the spam filter wasn't really broken - the mail system caused some exceptional circumstances. Anyway, the spam filter didn't cause a mail loop since each message was bounced at most once. And I wouldn't have blamed anybody for removing me from the list. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jul 18 15:28:57 1998 From: Paul Walker Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 15:25:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 268 Lines: 11 Oops. That'll teach me to play with Mailtraq with a mailing list... :/ Sorry all! Paul -- ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ---- FidoNet: 2:254/211.44 2:442/103.13 ---> http://www.craybbs.co.uk/foti <--- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jul 18 15:41:16 1998 From: Paul Walker Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 15:32:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Testing Message-ID: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) X-Hops: 1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 259 Lines: 7 Apologies all - although if this gets out, it's better than a dupeloop. :/ Paul -- ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ---- FidoNet: 2:254/211.44 2:442/103.13 ---> http://www.craybbs.co.uk/foti <--- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jul 18 15:56:40 1998 From: Paul Walker Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 15:48:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: hello In-reply-to: References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 836 Lines: 20 > The second copy seems to have taken a much longer route. Mine seemed to > bounce around black-sun.demon.co.uk for a while... Paul? Was there a > technical problem at your side? Still is. The list processor for sam-users sends it out addressed *to* sam-users, so Mailtraq (reasonably enough) routed it onwards. Unfortunately, I can't find a quick way to fix this, so I think I'll have to have a play. Maybe a local maillist gated to sam-users, or something. Apologies to everyone for all the dupes - if someone'd emailed me directly, I would have fixed it sooner! (I never actually got to *see* the original messages, they just kept looping!) Paul -- ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ---- FidoNet: 2:254/211.44 2:442/103.13 ---> http://www.craybbs.co.uk/foti <--- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jul 18 15:56:41 1998 From: Paul Walker Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 15:49:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Testing In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 366 Lines: 13 > Apologies all - although if this gets out, it's better than a dupeloop. :/ How did you get out? I assumed you'd only gone to my local box, and that method wouldn't work! Argh. Paul -- ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ---- FidoNet: 2:254/211.44 2:442/103.13 ---> http://www.craybbs.co.uk/foti <--- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jul 18 17:17:47 1998 Message-ID: <19980718161408.17942.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [207.220.173.27] From: Simon Cooke To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Hello Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 09:14:08 PDT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 184 Lines: 8 A white hole? Simon ps. Right, that's decided then - we consult Holly. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From imc Sat Jul 18 18:53:40 1998 Subject: Re: Hello In-Reply-To: <19980718161408.17942.qmail@hotmail.com> from Simon Cooke at "Jul 18, 98 09:14:08 am" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 18:53:40 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 90 Lines: 6 On Sat, 18 Jul 1998 09:14:08 PDT, Simon Cooke said: > A white hole? So what is it? imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jul 18 20:13:14 1998 From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Hello Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 19:09:58 GMT Message-ID: <35b3e9ce.6356643@mail.enterprise.net> References: <19980718161408.17942.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: <19980718161408.17942.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 680 Lines: 24 On Sat, 18 Jul 1998 09:14:08 PDT, Simon Cooke wrote: >A white hole? > >Simon > >ps. Right, that's decided then - we consult Holly. Ooops... You've ended up in my trash folder. Hmmmm... time to take hotmail out of the spam filter. I usually delete everything at once in there - without checking. No wonder I didn't see the original post of one of your recent emails. ------ Oh - and for anyone who has links for my website... Sorry about this, but it's defunct ATM, and I might not bother putting it back up. I also lost an uncertain amount of email between last Sunday and Monday. So if anyone sent any and they think I'm ignoring them, please repost. Cheerz Dave Whitmore From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jul 18 20:47:58 1998 Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 15:41:31 -0400 From: Gordon Wallis <101762.2062@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Hello To: "INTERNET:sam-users@nvg.unit.no" Message-ID: <199807181541_MC2-537F-88C5@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 210 Lines: 26 Yipes! About 5 postings, duplicated into 24 mails? I have the strangest feeling of deja vu... Yipes! About 5 postings, duplicated into 24 mails? I have the strangest feeling of deja vu... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jul 18 20:54:16 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199807181541_MC2-537F-88C5@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 20:50:59 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Hello X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 782 Lines: 22 At 8:41 pm +0100 18/7/98, Gordon Wallis wrote: >Yipes! About 5 postings, duplicated into 24 mails? > >I have the strangest feeling of deja vu... You didn't need to say that twice - I'm sure *somebody* would have quite happily provided the punchline :) Andrew Pssst - Simon: Your turn on the Red Dwarf thread... -- +----------------+-----------------------------+----------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | to a fool | +----------------+-----------------------------+ and he calls | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | you foolish | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | -- Euripides | +----------------------------------------------+----------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jul 18 22:05:41 1998 Message-ID: <19980718205940.23669.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [207.220.172.32] From: Simon Cooke To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Hello Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 13:59:40 PDT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 411 Lines: 17 >You didn't need to say that twice - I'm sure *somebody* would have quite >happily provided the punchline :) > >Andrew > >Pssst - Simon: Your turn on the Red Dwarf thread... I can't quite remember the exact phrase... but... "I don't know. Nobody knows. But I think that it's a white hole" Simon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From imc Sat Jul 18 23:52:42 1998 Subject: Re: Hello In-Reply-To: <19980718205940.23669.qmail@hotmail.com> from Simon Cooke at "Jul 18, 98 01:59:40 pm" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 23:52:42 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 141 Lines: 6 On Sat, 18 Jul 1998 13:59:40 PDT, Simon Cooke said: > "I don't know. Nobody knows. But I think that it's a white hole" So what is it? imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jul 19 00:45:03 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199807182252.XAA21319@ruby.comlab> References: <19980718205940.23669.qmail@hotmail.com> from Simon Cooke at "Jul 18, 98 01:59:40 pm" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 00:40:32 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Hello X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1140 Lines: 30 At 11:52 pm +0100 18/7/98, Ian Collier wrote: >On Sat, 18 Jul 1998 13:59:40 PDT, Simon Cooke said: >> "I don't know. Nobody knows. But I think that it's a white hole" > >So what is it? This wasn't an example of that type of message! Dunno why it came out twice, but I'm quite certain it's not my fault... Only one address in the To: field. And I definitely sent out only one copy - if you look at the headers, even the Message-Id is the same. The second copy seems to have taken a much longer route. Mine seemed to bounce around black-sun.demon.co.uk for a while... Paul? Was there a technical problem at your side? Andrew PS. How long are we going to keep this up? -- +----------------+-----------------------------+----------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | to a fool | +----------------+-----------------------------+ and he calls | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | you foolish | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | -- Euripides | +----------------------------------------------+----------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jul 19 04:27:45 1998 Message-ID: <19980719032433.29092.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [207.220.172.161] From: Simon Cooke To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Hello Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 20:24:32 PDT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 239 Lines: 13 >Andrew > >PS. How long are we going to keep this up? I don't know. Nobody knows. But I think that it's a white... ;) Simon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jul 19 11:43:32 1998 Message-Id: <199807191040.MAA09041@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: Sam users Subject: Sam Coupe Development Manual V1.1 Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 12:41:53 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 490 Lines: 12 A rather intresting document I came across yesterday at a HCCSinclair-meeting in Houten. There they have (I have it with me now but it is still owned by HCCSinclair) a Sam Development Manual from may 1989 It looks much like like a smaller version of the Technical manual, So anyone intrested in a copy of that? Another piece of Sam History methinks :) -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Mind you if we call you "Bruce", it might otherwise cause some confusion. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jul 19 22:05:23 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: POSTMASTER From: Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <80256646.007383FB.00@osiris.postmaster.co.uk> Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:01:46 +0100 Subject: Re: Sam Coupe Development Manual V1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 763 Lines: 27 | A rather intresting document I came across yesterday at a | HCCSinclair-meeting in Houten. There they have (I have it with me now but | it is still owned by HCCSinclair) a Sam Development Manual from may 1989 | | It looks much like like a smaller version of the Technical manual, So | anyone intrested in a copy of that? Another piece of Sam History methinks | :) It is the same thing as the Sam Tech manual, just an older and thinner version. I remember seeing one at a show years ago. I suppose to a real Sam collector it could be worth a few quid for its historical value, but that is all. -- Samsboss - The One And Only. Accept No Others. ___________________________________ To sign up for a free email account, visit http://www.postmaster.co.uk. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jul 19 23:20:54 1998 From: PGLOVER43 Message-ID: <29b1696.35b2708c@aol.com> Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 18:17:46 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Sam Coupe Development Manual V1.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 168 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 589 Lines: 15 In a message dated 19/07/98 22:06:41 BST, you write: << It is the same thing as the Sam Tech manual, just an older and thinner version. I remember seeing one at a show years ago. I suppose to a real Sam collector it could be worth a few quid for its historical value, but that is all. >> Hmmm, maybe quite a few of us are 'real' SAM collectors. If the manual holds good information that isn't freely available, then I'm sure many SAM enthusiasts would like a copy. SAM material is hard to find, and what there is ought to be freely passed on, as long as it's legal. - Phil Glover From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jul 19 23:37:54 1998 From: Maria Rookyard To: sam-users Subject: Re: Hello Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 23:32:10 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 134 Lines: 11 > >Andrew > > > >PS. How long are we going to keep this up? > > Simon I really don't know, but I'm getting rather fed up of it! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jul 20 08:11:52 1998 Message-Id: <199807200707.JAA19017@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: Sam Coupe Development Manual V1.1 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:08:43 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 796 Lines: 24 > Van: Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Onderwerp: Re: Sam Coupe Development Manual V1.1 > Datum: Sunday, July 19, 1998 11:01 > It is the same thing as the Sam Tech manual, just an older and thinner > version. > I remember seeing one at a show years ago. > I suppose to a real Sam collector it could be worth a few quid for its > historical value, but that is all. Nice try Samboss, but I am not asking money for it, Theo Molenaar (Stefan, Edwin you know him) does not want to sell it but he had no problems if I made photocopies of it. BTW1: A real Sam collector? Explain this will ya. BTW2: Is your SD-interface still working? -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Mind you if we call you "Bruce", it might otherwise cause some confusion. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jul 20 09:31:39 1998 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:27:06 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9807200827.AA18602@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: hello X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1162 Lines: 32 > Andrew > > PS. Frode - should the address officially be unit or ntnu? I remember you > telling people it had changed to ntnu, but the reply-to headers (which I > assume are automatically added at nvg) say unit. The only reason it's ever > a problem is that when I reply to some messages, it is sent to both > addresses by default - and appears on the list twice unless I remembered to > check the headers. ntnu.no is the 'correct' address. I have told the admins about this several times. I guess it's not on the priority-to-do-list. > > PPS. I asked before, but you were on holiday :) I've been again. This time to the rainy west coast of Norway. -Frode > > > -- > +----------------+-----------------------------+----------------+ > | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense | > | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | to a fool | > +----------------+-----------------------------+ and he calls | > | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | you foolish | > | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | -- Euripides | > +----------------------------------------------+----------------+ > > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jul 20 10:11:30 1998 Message-Id: From: Dan Doore Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:02:40 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: RE: hello MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /310000000/310102093/310102123/310460310/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 101" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 114 Lines: 7 > I've been again. This time to the rainy west coast of Norway. Pining for the fjords again eh? (sorry) Dan. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jul 20 10:38:49 1998 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:33:26 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9807200933.AA18782@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: RE: hello X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 241 Lines: 15 > > > I've been again. This time to the rainy west coast of Norway. > > Pining for the fjords again eh? Actually, they are quite nice. Though, the weather could be better. Though, I recomend it. :) -Frode > > (sorry) > > Dan. > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jul 20 12:51:39 1998 Message-ID: <19980720114810.14499.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [12.67.195.179] From: Simon Cooke To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: RE: hello Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 04:48:10 PDT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 289 Lines: 14 >> I've been again. This time to the rainy west coast of Norway. > >Pining for the fjords again eh? > >(sorry) Hail Eris! (erk.. sorry.. thought you said... never mind) Simon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jul 20 18:25:57 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: POSTMASTER From: Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <80256647.005FB130.00@osiris.postmaster.co.uk> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 18:25:14 +0100 Subject: Re: Sam Coupe Development Manual V1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 858 Lines: 32 | In a message dated 19/07/98 22:06:41 BST, you write: | | << It is the same thing as the Sam Tech manual, just an older and thinner | version. | I remember seeing one at a show years ago. | | I suppose to a real Sam collector it could be worth a few quid for its | historical value, but that is all. >> | | Hmmm, maybe quite a few of us are 'real' SAM collectors. If the manual holds | good information that isn't freely available, then I'm sure many SAM | enthusiasts would like a copy. SAM material is hard to find, and what there is | ought to be freely passed on, as long as it's legal. | | - Phil Glover As I said, as far as I can remember it was sort of issue 1 of the tech manual. -- Samsboss - The One And Only. Accept No Others. ___________________________________ To sign up for a free email account, visit http://www.postmaster.co.uk. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jul 20 18:34:09 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: POSTMASTER From: Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <80256647.00602AC8.00@osiris.postmaster.co.uk> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 18:30:29 +0100 Subject: Re: Sam Coupe Development Manual V1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1201 Lines: 42 | > Van: Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk | > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no | > Onderwerp: Re: Sam Coupe Development Manual V1.1 | > Datum: Sunday, July 19, 1998 11:01 | | > It is the same thing as the Sam Tech manual, just an older and thinner | > version. | > I remember seeing one at a show years ago. | | > I suppose to a real Sam collector it could be worth a few quid for its | > historical value, but that is all. | | Nice try Samboss, but I am not asking money for it, Theo Molenaar (Stefan, | Edwin you know him) does not want to sell it but he had no problems if I | made photocopies of it. Nice try yourself. But as even you know, not making money out of producing photocopies of a copyright work does not make it any less of an offence. Ah, but then I forgot, you are the person who thinks breaching copyright is a fun thing to do. | | BTW1: A real Sam collector? Explain this will ya. Someone who collects Sam things for the sake of collecting. | | BTW2: Is your SD-interface still working? Yes, fine thank you. Wonderful system. -- Samsboss - The One And Only. Accept No Others. ___________________________________ To sign up for a free email account, visit http://www.postmaster.co.uk. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jul 20 18:42:13 1998 Message-ID: <00b201bdb405$642dc800$903670c2@wavy> From: Gavin Smith To: sam-users Subject: Re: Sam Coupe Development Manual V1.1 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 18:39:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 414 Lines: 14 -----Original Message----- From: Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk >| BTW2: Is your SD-interface still working? > >Yes, fine thank you. Wonderful system. Really? Good! Nev will be pleased as he seems to think his own interface has been bettered by the Atom and that he can no longer recommend anyone buy the SD - oh, and didn't he say he doesn't remember you buying one from him? :) Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jul 20 20:32:21 1998 From: Paul Walker Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:47:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Stuff Message-ID: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) X-Hops: 1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 248 Lines: 10 Sorry about this... ObSamStuff: where did Chris White get to? Paul -- ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ---- FidoNet: 2:254/211.44 2:442/103.13 ---> http://www.craybbs.co.uk/foti <--- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jul 20 23:03:54 1998 Message-Id: <199807202147.XAA22089@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: Sam Coupe Development Manual V1.1 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 23:49:14 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1241 Lines: 35 > | > Van: Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk > | > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > | > Onderwerp: Re: Sam Coupe Development Manual V1.1 > | > Datum: Sunday, July 19, 1998 11:01 > | Nice try Samboss, but I am not asking money for it, Theo Molenaar > (Stefan, > | Edwin you know him) does not want to sell it but he had no problems if I > | made photocopies of it. > > Nice try yourself. But as even you know, not making money out of producing > photocopies of a copyright work does not make it any less of an offence. > > Ah, but then I forgot, you are the person who thinks breaching copyright is > a > fun thing to do. I like to see you explain in court that someone (Bob?) is suffering financial damage or anything else from a almost 10 year old (on some points now incorrect) manual. So go ahead, sue me. You still don't have a leg to stand on And as for collecting Sam, Spectrum, ZX81 and other Sinclair stuff, it was you who suggested that it was only worth a few quid. For me those things have a much greater value, and if possible I want to share them with others because I think it will help the Sam. -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Mind you if we call you "Bruce", it might otherwise cause some confusion. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jul 21 01:42:19 1998 From: Paul Walker Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 20:56:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Stuff Message-ID: In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) X-Hops: 1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 235 Lines: 10 > Sorry about this... And this, for that matter. Paul -- ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ---- FidoNet: 2:254/211.44 2:442/103.13 ---> http://www.craybbs.co.uk/foti <--- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jul 21 13:46:53 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <1f6f0800.35b48acc@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:34:19 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Sam Coupe Development Manual V1.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1348 Lines: 42 In a message dated 20/07/98 22:33:49, you write: > >> | Nice try Samboss, but I am not asking money for it, Theo Molenaar >> (Stefan, >> | Edwin you know him) does not want to sell it but he had no problems if >I >> | made photocopies of it. >> >> Nice try yourself. But as even you know, not making money out of >producing >> photocopies of a copyright work does not make it any less of an offence. >> >> Ah, but then I forgot, you are the person who thinks breaching copyright >is >> a >> fun thing to do. > >I like to see you explain in court that someone (Bob?) is suffering >financial damage or anything else from a almost 10 year old (on some points >now incorrect) manual. So go ahead, sue me. > >You still don't have a leg to stand on > >And as for collecting Sam, Spectrum, ZX81 and other Sinclair stuff, it was >you who suggested that it was only worth a few quid. For me those things >have a much greater value, and if possible I want to share them with others >because I think it will help the Sam. > > Once again I will point out that the Sam Technical Manual is copyright. Therefore any material that is in the Developer's manual (which as Samsboss said, what the precursor of the tech manual) which is also in the Tech manual is also copyright. If it ain't in the tech manual then it will be in the Sam manual. HTH. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jul 21 14:51:06 1998 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam Coupe Development Manual V1.1 References: <1f6f0800.35b48acc@aol.com> From: Lee Willis Date: 21 Jul 1998 14:42:50 +0100 In-Reply-To: 's message of Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:34:19 EDT Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 877 Lines: 25 writes: > In a message dated 20/07/98 22:33:49, you write: > > Once again I will point out that the Sam Technical Manual is copyright. Irrelevant. The fact that it is copyright applies to the Sam Technical Manual, and that manual only. It has absolutely no effect over any other document which may happen to contain the same information. > Therefore any material that is in the Developer's manual (which as Samsboss > said, what the precursor of the tech manual) which is also in the Tech manual > is also copyright. Tosh, pure and simple. I have to state that I do think that copying the 'Developers manual' for people is technically wrong but not for the reasons that you've come up with Bob. > If it ain't in the tech manual then it will be in the Sam manual. {giggle} Lee. -- Bitchiness on standby sir,.......prepare the claws.......miaowww From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jul 21 20:41:59 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:31:40 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Sam Coupe Development Manual V1.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1449 Lines: 41 In a message dated 21/07/98 14:31:12, you write: > writes: > >> In a message dated 20/07/98 22:33:49, you write: >> >> Once again I will point out that the Sam Technical Manual is copyright. > >Irrelevant. The fact that it is copyright applies to the Sam Technical >Manual, and that manual only. It has absolutely no effect over any other >document which may happen to contain the same information. Copyright applies to the developer's manual as it does to all written works. The developer's manual was, in effect, version 1 of the Tech manual as even a short examination would show. Therefore it is not irrelevant. One of two things happened. Either I received the copyright as part of the deal with Samco prior to its liquidation that assigned the Tech Manual to me, or the copyright reverted to the authors of the Developer's manual. One thing is crystal clear - having a copy of it does not give anyone the right to photocopy it for other people. > >> Therefore any material that is in the Developer's manual (which as Samsboss >> said, what the precursor of the tech manual) which is also in the Tech >manual >> is also copyright. > >Tosh, pure and simple. I have to state that I do think that copying the >'Developers manual' for people is technically wrong but not for the >reasons that you've come up with Bob. > >> If it ain't in the tech manual then it will be in the Sam manual. > >{giggle} > >Lee. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jul 21 21:23:05 1998 From: Dean Liversidge To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 21:19:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Sam Coupe Development Manual V1.1 In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 965 Lines: 24 > Copyright applies to the developer's manual as it does to all written works. > The developer's manual was, in effect, version 1 of the Tech manual as even a > short examination would show. Therefore it is not irrelevant. > > One of two things happened. Either I received the copyright as part of the > deal with Samco prior to its liquidation that assigned the Tech Manual to me, > or the copyright reverted to the authors of the Developer's manual. So which one is it?, you seem a little unclear on the situation yourself, what proof of ownership do you have over the Develpoers Manual? What proof do you have to say that the developers manual was owned by Samco, and not just the Author prior to the Technical manual being purchased/licenced/whatever by Samco by such person(s)?? Why are all the arguments starting again, just when things had just settled back down to a small mail download, and pleasenter times, albeit dead?? -- Dean Liversidge From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jul 21 22:18:40 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 22:13:50 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Sam Coupe Development Manual V1.1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1920 Lines: 44 At 9:19 pm +0100 21/7/98, Dean Liversidge wrote: >> Copyright applies to the developer's manual as it does to all written works. >> The developer's manual was, in effect, version 1 of the Tech manual as >>even a >> short examination would show. Therefore it is not irrelevant. >> >> One of two things happened. Either I received the copyright as part of the >> deal with Samco prior to its liquidation that assigned the Tech Manual >>to me, >> or the copyright reverted to the authors of the Developer's manual. > >So which one is it?, you seem a little unclear on the situation >yourself, what proof of ownership do you have over the Develpoers >Manual? > >What proof do you have to say that the developers manual was >owned by Samco, and not just the Author prior to the Technical >manual being purchased/licenced/whatever by Samco by such >person(s)?? The early manual is copyright - that cannot be disputed. That means it would be wrong to make and distribute photocopies, whether they would damage Bob's business or not. That doesn't mean that the rights are necessarily owned by Bob, unless it's possible for him to prove that they were expressly signed to him. And the rights certainly don't belong to Samsboss, so I don't know why he's the one making such a big fuss all over again. In fact, as far as I'm concerned, until he can identify himself as an individual in his own right, Samsboss doesn't have any rights at all. So ner :-P Andrew -- +----------------+-----------------------------+----------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | to a fool | +----------------+-----------------------------+ and he calls | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | you foolish | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | -- Euripides | +----------------------------------------------+----------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jul 22 09:07:06 1998 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam Coupe Development Manual V1.1 References: From: Lee Willis Date: 22 Jul 1998 09:01:18 +0100 In-Reply-To: 's message of Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:31:40 EDT Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1672 Lines: 43 writes: > In a message dated 21/07/98 14:31:12, you write: > > > writes: > > > >> In a message dated 20/07/98 22:33:49, you write: > >> > >> Once again I will point out that the Sam Technical Manual is copyright. > > > >Irrelevant. The fact that it is copyright applies to the Sam Technical > >Manual, and that manual only. It has absolutely no effect over any other > >document which may happen to contain the same information. > > Copyright applies to the developer's manual as it does to all written works. Never said it didn't. All I said was that the fact that the Sam Technical Manual is copyright has nothing to do with the copyright status of the developers manual be it a predecessor or not. The two have their own seperate copyrights ... > The developer's manual was, in effect, version 1 of the Tech manual as even a > short examination would show. Therefore it is not irrelevant. Yes it is. Just because it was a predecessor of the Tech manual has nothing to do with it. It is still not covered by any stretch of the imagination by the copyright of the actual Techincal Manual. The two are seperate entities with seperate copyrights ... > One thing is crystal clear - having a copy of it does not give anyone the > right to photocopy it for other people. A fact I'm sure I agreed with so why restate it Bob? > >Tosh, pure and simple. I have to state that I do think that copying the > >'Developers manual' for people is technically wrong but not for the > >reasons that you've come up with Bob. And I quote ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Lee. -- Bitchiness on standby sir,.......prepare the claws.......miaowww From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jul 22 09:25:25 1998 Message-Id: <199807220821.KAA20392@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: Sam Coupe Development Manual V1.1 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 10:23:18 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2584 Lines: 62 > Van: Dean Liversidge > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Onderwerp: Re: Sam Coupe Development Manual V1.1 > Datum: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 10:19 > > > Copyright applies to the developer's manual as it does to all written works. > > The developer's manual was, in effect, version 1 of the Tech manual as even a > > short examination would show. Therefore it is not irrelevant. -- The Purpose of this manual is to introduce hardware and software supporters of the coupe to te internal and external workings of the machine -- > > One of two things happened. Either I received the copyright as part of the > > deal with Samco prior to its liquidation that assigned the Tech Manual to me, > > or the copyright reverted to the authors of the Developer's manual. You are not sure about it Bob? I think you don't own the copyright, and I have reason to believe that you own the rights to certain other parts of the Sam as well. But in this case two wrong's does not make one right, copying is wrong, but so is claiming that you own things while it is not, especially when those things are still being sold. > Why are all the arguments starting again, just when things had just > settled back down to a small mail download, and pleasenter times, > albeit dead?? Because it is nessecary in my opinion, Bob is by claiming that he owns the copyright on a lot of Sam or Sam-related stuff actually killing the Sam. Instead of releasing the Technical Manual to let have a chance to improve themselves and the programs they make, he is holding it back with some rather strange arguments, and barks at everyone who is even making the slightest hint of copying it. Why? If he thinks there is still a future for the Sam, Then i see no reason why he still does not want release the Technical Manual after almost 10 years as publicdomain. And what is the current fuss about, 32 pages (no more) with a small introduction to the Sam, The interfaces, The memory, Screenmodes, the keyboard, several register and ports ect. Some of the info changed after the release of this manual, like the color wich was then still being planned as a palette of only 64 colors. A piece of Sam-history. This is just ridiculous, that after so long this information is still not available for free. BTW: I do own a technical manual, bought a long time ago (somewhere in 1992) from Edwin and Flora when they where Sam-distributors in the Netherlands. -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Mind you if we call you "Bruce", it might otherwise cause some confusion. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jul 22 11:04:19 1998 Message-Id: <199807221000.MAA07793@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: Sam Coupe Development Manual V1.1 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 12:01:45 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 736 Lines: 18 > Van: Robert van der Veeke > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Onderwerp: Re: Sam Coupe Development Manual V1.1 > Datum: Wednesday, July 22, 1998 10:23 > You are not sure about it Bob? I think you don't own the copyright, and I > have reason to believe that you own the rights to certain other parts of > the Sam as well. But in this case two wrong's does not make one right, > copying is wrong, but so is claiming that you own things while it is not, > especially when those things are still being sold. That should be "Don't own the rights to certain other parts". -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Mind you if we call you "Bruce", it might otherwise cause some confusion. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jul 22 13:45:57 1998 From: "E.P.R.P. Blink" Organization: Hanzehogeschool Groningen To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 14:39:35 MET Subject: HD BOOT ROM X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <3C05E3566AC@mail1.pl.hanze.nl> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 548 Lines: 22 HD BOOT ROM V2 Now available !!! Replace your SAM ROM with the HD BOOT ROM to make it possible to boot directly from a hard disk using the ATOM interface. Other features are: - 99% Compatible with SAM ROM 3.0 - Resets the soundchipdirectly after a reset. - Boots from floppy when SPACE bar is hold down. - Directory Funktion keys (F7,F8). Comes with the latest B-DOS version and software to make your hard disk bootable. Price: 30 Guilders (CASH or Eurocheque) Send your order to: Edwin Blink Kremersheerd 63 9737 PK Groningen HOLLAND From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jul 22 14:05:49 1998 Message-Id: <199807221256.NAA04360@popmail.dircon.co.uk> From: Gavin Smith To: sam-users Subject: Re: HD BOOT ROM Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:50:54 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 589 Lines: 22 > HD BOOT ROM V2 Now available !!! Excellent! Problems with certain hard drives ironed out then? > - 99% Compatible with SAM ROM 3.0 99%? What's the 1% incompatibility? > - Directory Funktion keys (F7,F8). Lovely! :) > Price: 30 Guilders (CASH or Eurocheque) Anyone know how many pounds 30 Guilders is? I'm still saving up for my Atom :( I would had it by now if my f*cking PC motherboard hadn't blown. Gavin P.S. Dave and anyone else trying to phone me - I'm staying with my gf for 3 weeks but I'm using her (shite) computer to check email and stuff so I'm still contactable. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jul 22 14:05:49 1998 Message-Id: From: Dan Doore Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:51:50 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: RE: HD BOOT ROM MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /310000000/310102093/310102123/310460310/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 101" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 210 Lines: 11 > - 99% Compatible with SAM ROM 3.0 What's in the 1%? Are there any really nasty issues that you've noticed? Dan. Work: dan@armature.com Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/ From imc Wed Jul 22 14:31:04 1998 Subject: Old scifi To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 14:31:04 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 347 Lines: 8 Sorry, nothing Sam-related to talk about. :-) I think there are some people interested in scifi nostalgia around here... Space:1999 to be specific. I would like to know whether it was actually broadcast on Monday because my PDC video didn't pick it up (it happened to someone else also), which would be forgivable it it wasn't actually on. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jul 22 15:05:56 1998 Message-Id: From: Dan Doore Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 14:47:36 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: RE: Old scifi MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /310000000/310102093/310102123/310460310/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 101" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 390 Lines: 11 > Space:1999 to be specific. I would like to know whether it > was actually broadcast on Monday because my PDC video > didn't pick it up (it happened to someone else also), which > would be forgivable it it wasn't actually on. It was indeed on, Martin Landau was looking concerned as a nuclear Ian McShane zombied around the complex. Not that I watched a bit of it, of course. D. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jul 22 15:05:58 1998 From: "E.P.R.P. Blink" Organization: Hanzehogeschool Groningen To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 15:53:33 MET Subject: RE: HD BOOT ROM X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <3C19A1B75B9@mail1.pl.hanze.nl> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 986 Lines: 32 From: Dan Doore > > - 99% Compatible with SAM ROM 3.0 > > What's in the 1%? The 1% are minor things which are rarely used.like : When RST 8 DEFB 80(dec) is used to print the copyrigth message when theres no DOS loaded. It will boot the DOS instead of printing the copyright message. Software which use a fixed value for the error message table will print incorect error messages. (Programs which save the BASICs SVARs for protection. Will also print incorrect error messages (But this is irrelevant for most because they are supposed to crash when a error occures). A ROM checksum would be different from SAM ROM 3.0) > Are there any really nasty issues that you've noticed? No none and I don't expect one too because all ROM CALLS for ROM 3.0 Work with the HD BOOT ROM (Even the BOOT DOS one !). Gavin Smith: >Excellent! Problems with certain hard drives ironed out then? Yup, works good now with the ones that failed before. Edwin Blink From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jul 22 15:37:24 1998 Message-ID: <35B5F773.24F6@AnySIM.de> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 16:30:11 +0200 From: Christof Odenthal X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: reset->disk corrupt problem; where to find info on Atom References: <3C19A1B75B9@mail1.pl.hanze.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 430 Lines: 18 Hello, - does anybody exactly know of which parts the circuit consists with which you can fix the problem with the corrupted disk after a reset ? Is there anywhere a description ? - where can i find more informations about the Atom HD drive - is there a homepage ? thanks Christof. -- \ | / (-O-O-) -----oooO--(_)--Oooo----- mailto: Odenthal@AnySIM.de homepg: http://homepages.muenchen.org/bm347689/ From imc Wed Jul 22 19:56:59 1998 Subject: Re: Old scifi In-Reply-To: from Dan Doore at "Jul 22, 98 02:47:36 pm" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 19:56:59 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 291 Lines: 9 On Wed, 22 Jul 1998 14:47:36 +0000, Dan Doore said: > It was indeed on, Martin Landau was looking concerned as a nuclear Ian > McShane zombied around the complex. > Not that I watched a bit of it, of course. No I bet you watched a lot of it. But I don't suppose you recorded it. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jul 23 02:36:02 1998 From: Peter Harkess To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 02:25:56 +0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Subject: Sam show MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 291 Lines: 14 Hello, I know that i asked before about the next show bit i can't find the details.So can someone remind me when and where the show is and if anybodt knows of a good b+b? Kind regards -- What happens to the hole when the cheese is gone? -- Bertolt Brecht cheers Peter Harkess From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jul 23 08:25:52 1998 Message-Id: From: Dan Doore Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 8:13:08 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: RE: Old scifi MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /310000000/310102093/310102123/310460310/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 101" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 376 Lines: 15 > No I bet you watched a lot of it. But I don't suppose you > recorded it. Neither watched it (all) or recorded it, sorry. Chancing on Space:1999 is always spooky since I think I'm missing an episode of Mission Impossible... Ah! Nothing like a sam-related thread.... :) Dan. Work: dan@armature.com Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jul 23 09:58:12 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <18969e54.35b6f934@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 04:49:54 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: reset->disk corrupt problem; where to find info on Atom Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 496 Lines: 20 In a message dated 22/07/98 15:06:32, you write: >o > >Hello, >- does anybody exactly know of which parts the circuit consists > with which you can fix the problem with the corrupted disk after > a reset ? Is there anywhere a description ? > >- where can i find more informations about the Atom HD drive - is there > a homepage ? > >thanks >Christof. To prevent disc corruption just follow the very simple rule 'do have a disc in the drive when you switch on/off or press reset'. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jul 23 09:58:13 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <8a0ff055.35b6f932@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 04:49:53 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Sam Coupe Development Manual V1.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1307 Lines: 37 In a message dated 21/07/98 21:28:43, you write: >? > >The early manual is copyright - that cannot be disputed. That means it >would be wrong to make and distribute photocopies, whether they would >damage Bob's business or not. That doesn't mean that the rights are >necessarily owned by Bob, unless it's possible for him to prove that they >were expressly signed to him. It would be possible to produce proof over the technical manual. As I said, there could be doubt over the developer's manual (although if you saw one you would see that it was the tech manual's older brother) however, that is not an issue as there would be no reason for me to republish it as the tech manual is far better. Your first comment is of course the valid one. > >And the rights certainly don't belong to Samsboss, so I don't know why he's >the one making such a big fuss all over again. In fact, as far as I'm >concerned, until he can identify himself as an individual in his own right, >Samsboss doesn't have any rights at all. He thinks therefor he is :) But seriously, it is sad that anyone (including Samsboss) even had to point out the copyright situation. Knowing quite a few dutch people over the years I've previously found them very law-abiding. > >So ner :-P > >Andrew p.s. Got that SAM fixed yet? -- Bob From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jul 23 09:58:14 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <839c9739.35b6f92f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 04:49:50 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Sam Coupe Development Manual V1.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 876 Lines: 27 In a message dated 21/07/98 20:24:14, you write: > >So which one is it?, you seem a little unclear on the situation >yourself, what proof of ownership do you have over the Develpoers >Manual? I would not like to even have a guess. It is one or the other so it doesn't actually matter. > >What proof do you have to say that the developers manual was >owned by Samco, and not just the Author prior to the Technical >manual being purchased/licenced/whatever by Samco by such >person(s)?? I think you misunderstand what how the tech manual (nee developer's manual) came into being. It was MGT's, it became Format's with SAMCO having exclusive sales rights until their liquidation. > >Why are all the arguments starting again, just when things had just >settled back down to a small mail download, and pleasenter times, >albeit dead?? There is no argument. > -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jul 23 09:58:15 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: <619e2abf.35b6fa23@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 04:53:54 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Sam show Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 429 Lines: 16 In a message dated 23/07/98 01:37:30, you write: >Hello, > I know that i asked before about the next show bit i can't find the >details.So can someone remind me when and where the show is and if anybodt >knows of a good b+b? > > >Kind regards The next Gloucester Spectrum and SAM show is on the 17th October - Ask Colin about B&B as he is the expert when it comes to Gloucester (been banished from most I hear). -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jul 23 10:21:08 1998 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam Coupe Development Manual V1.1 References: <839c9739.35b6f92f@aol.com> From: Lee Willis Date: 23 Jul 1998 10:14:42 +0100 In-Reply-To: 's message of Thu, 23 Jul 1998 04:49:50 EDT Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 624 Lines: 18 writes: > In a message dated 21/07/98 20:24:14, Dean wrote: > > >So which one is it?, you seem a little unclear on the situation > >yourself, what proof of ownership do you have over the Develpoers > >Manual? > > I would not like to even have a guess. It is one or the other so it doesn't > actually matter. What!? The two are complete opposites. It's a question of whether you own the rights to something or whether you don't. That is a pretty big difference, and most people would say that the difference mattered ... Lee. -- Bitchiness on standby sir,.......prepare the claws.......miaowww From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jul 23 10:36:52 1998 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: reset->disk corrupt problem; where to find info on Atom References: <18969e54.35b6f934@aol.com> From: Lee Willis Date: 23 Jul 1998 10:07:40 +0100 In-Reply-To: 's message of Thu, 23 Jul 1998 04:49:54 EDT Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 778 Lines: 21 > Christof wrote: >- does anybody exactly know of which parts the circuit consists > with which you can fix the problem with the corrupted disk after > a reset ? Is there anywhere a description ? wrote: > In a message dated 22/07/98 15:06:32, you write: > > To prevent disc corruption just follow the very simple rule 'do have a disc in > the drive when you switch on/off or press reset'. Being helpful as ever I see Bob ... I presume you meant 'DON'T' in the above sentence ... Christof, There was an alternative chip sold by someone at one point which would solve your problem, but off the top of my head I don't know who exactly. Maybe Edwin Blink or Nev Young? Anyone? Lee. -- Bitchiness on standby sir,.......prepare the claws.......miaowww From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jul 23 10:36:52 1998 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam Coupe Development Manual V1.1 References: <8a0ff055.35b6f932@aol.com> From: Lee Willis Date: 23 Jul 1998 10:09:45 +0100 In-Reply-To: 's message of Thu, 23 Jul 1998 04:49:53 EDT Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 297 Lines: 12 writes: > In a message dated 21/07/98 21:28:43, you write: > > Knowing quite a few dutch people over the years I've previously found > them very law-abiding. Yeah but they have much better laws ;) Lee. -- Bitchiness on standby sir,.......prepare the claws.......miaowww From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jul 23 10:37:20 1998 Message-ID: <35B70299.A1FC2329@gensim.com> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 10:30:01 +0100 From: Dave Handley X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: reset->disk corrupt problem; where to find info on Atom References: <18969e54.35b6f934@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 293 Lines: 14 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > > To prevent disc corruption just follow the very simple rule 'do have a disc in > the drive when you switch on/off or press reset'. > > -- > Bob. *Puts disc in drive* *Resets like mad* Bugger, corrupt disc. As very simple rules go, that one is pants. :) Dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jul 23 10:37:21 1998 Message-Id: From: Dan Doore Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 10:30:37 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: RE: reset->disk corrupt problem; where t MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /310000000/310102093/310102123/310460310/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 101" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 644 Lines: 19 > To prevent disc corruption just follow the very simple rule > 'do have a disc in the drive when you switch on/off or press > reset'. And buy Edwin's Disc Protector Unit to fix the hardware fault that does it. One of the best corruption's I ever got (before I purchased the DPU) was when I ejected a disc which didn't pop all they way out (my drive eject is a bit shaky) and subsequently got sucked back in just in time for me to press the reset. Superb. As I've said before, common sense is the belt and the DPU is the braces. Dan. Work: dan@armature.com Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jul 23 12:16:07 1998 Message-Id: <199807231058.MAA26898@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: reset->disk corrupt problem; where to find info on Atom Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:00:26 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 926 Lines: 29 > Van: BrenchleyR@aol.com > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Onderwerp: Re: reset->disk corrupt problem; where to find info on Atom > Datum: Thursday, July 23, 1998 10:49 > >- does anybody exactly know of which parts the circuit consists > > with which you can fix the problem with the corrupted disk after > > a reset ? Is there anywhere a description ? > > > >- where can i find more informations about the Atom HD drive - is there > > a homepage ? > To prevent disc corruption just follow the very simple rule 'do have a disc in > the drive when you switch on/off or press reset'. > > -- > Bob. Being as helpfull as ever, right Bob? Even failing to mention the DPU made by Edwin Blink (wich has been protecting my disks for over 6 years now) And not a trace of the ATOM, Typical -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Mind you if we call you "Bruce", it might otherwise cause some confusion. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jul 23 12:16:09 1998 Message-Id: <199807231058.MAA26896@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: Sam Coupe Development Manual V1.1 Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 12:56:36 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1820 Lines: 47 > Van: BrenchleyR@aol.com > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Onderwerp: Re: Sam Coupe Development Manual V1.1 > Datum: Thursday, July 23, 1998 10:49 > >The early manual is copyright - that cannot be disputed. That means it > >would be wrong to make and distribute photocopies, whether they would > >damage Bob's business or not. That doesn't mean that the rights are > >necessarily owned by Bob, unless it's possible for him to prove that they > >were expressly signed to him. > > It would be possible to produce proof over the technical manual. As I said, > there could be doubt over the developer's manual (although if you saw one you > would see that it was the tech manual's older brother) however, that is not an > issue as there would be no reason for me to republish it as the tech manual is > far better. > > Your first comment is of course the valid one. As is the seccond one. Don't cover up Bob, just for once answer those questions about who actually owns the rights to the Sam Coupe. > But seriously, it is sad that anyone (including Samsboss) even had to point > out the copyright situation. Knowing quite a few dutch people over the years > I've previously found them very law-abiding. Would you leave the others out of this, or are you suggesting that they like me are just a bunch of criminals with no respect for any law. And it was only Samboss who pointed in the first place to copyright, I haven't heard anyone else about unless it is in a reply to me or Samboss. I doubt it if anyone would mention copyright outside you, Billy and Bossy. As usual you go to insane acrobatics stunts not to answer certain questions. This thread is just another proof of it. -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Mind you if we call you "Bruce", it might otherwise cause some confusion. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jul 23 12:29:12 1998 Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:16:53 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9807231116.AA03032@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Removed..... X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 183 Lines: 8 Due to no-delivery I had to remove two subscribers from the list. If anybody know these gents, please inform them. The runts in question are: bbk@bbk.org jadams1644@aol.com -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jul 23 12:29:13 1998 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Removed..... References: <9807231116.AA03032@asmal.edh-net> From: Lee Willis Date: 23 Jul 1998 12:23:45 +0100 In-Reply-To: ft@edh.ericsson.se's message of Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:16:53 +0200 Message-ID: <4sw8g69q.fsf@landlord.gbdirect.co.uk> X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 327 Lines: 11 ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) writes: > Due to no-delivery I had to remove two subscribers from the list. > If anybody know these gents, please inform them. The runts in > question are: How about removing people due to lack of intelligence ... Lee. -- Bitchiness on standby sir,.......prepare the claws.......miaowww From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jul 23 12:44:22 1998 Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:35:56 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9807231135.AA03115@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Removed..... X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 312 Lines: 11 > ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) writes: > > > Due to no-delivery I had to remove two subscribers from the list. > > If anybody know these gents, please inform them. The runts in > > question are: > > How about removing people due to lack of intelligence ... No, but I migth due to impudence :) -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jul 23 13:02:14 1998 Message-ID: <19980723114527.24535.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [12.67.195.56] From: Simon Cooke To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: reset--disk corrupt problem; where to find info on Atom Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 04:45:26 PDT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1300 Lines: 37 >>Hello, >>- does anybody exactly know of which parts the circuit consists >> with which you can fix the problem with the corrupted disk after >> a reset ? Is there anywhere a description ? >> >>- where can i find more informations about the Atom HD drive - is there >> a homepage ? >> >>thanks >>Christof. > >To prevent disc corruption just follow the very simple rule 'do have a disc in >the drive when you switch on/off or press reset'. Presumably you have some miraculous way of un-hanging both disc controllers, Bob? Because whether the disc is in the drive or not, the controller still goes haywire. In my machine, with two drives, it had fits. That's without any modifications. It corrupted disks *without them being in the drive*. It continously came up with disk errors on booting - when there were no errors - just because the disk controller was spouting bad data. If one of the controllers was working, you could pretty much guarantee that the other one had hung. Getting both drives in a workable state simultaneously was a pain at times. Some days were worse than others. Installed the disk protector - and hey presto. Absolutely no more problems. Simon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jul 23 13:20:03 1998 From: "E.P.R.P. Blink" Organization: Hanzehogeschool Groningen To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 14:04:24 MET Subject: Re: reset->disk corrupt problem; where to find info on Atom X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <3D7C9843DD5@mail1.pl.hanze.nl> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 742 Lines: 28 From: Christof Odenthal > - does anybody exactly know of which parts the circuit consists > with which you can fix the problem with the corrupted disk after > a reset ? Is there anywhere a description ? For my DPU you need (from my head): a 74LS04, 2x470 Ohm resistors, 10 uF/10V tantal capacitor, 33pF capacitor and a 8 MHz xtal. Also the other half of the 74LS04 can be used for a NMI debouce (2x330 Ohm resistors extra) No discription available yet. I'll make a gif image of my schematic if you like. > - where can i find more informations about the Atom HD drive Contact Persona, They sell the ATOM interface. You also migth have a look at B-DOS to get the idea of how the HD works. > thanks Your welcome Edwin Blink. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jul 23 19:55:28 1998 From: Paul Walker Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 19:48:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Subscribers Message-ID: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) X-Hops: 1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 251 Lines: 7 Anyone have any idea how to start getting people back on the list? Paul -- ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ---- FidoNet: 2:254/211.44 2:442/103.13 ---> http://www.craybbs.co.uk/foti <--- From imc Thu Jul 23 21:01:34 1998 Subject: Re: Subscribers In-Reply-To: from Paul Walker at "Jul 23, 98 07:48:48 pm" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 21:01:34 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 226 Lines: 7 On Thu, 23 Jul 1998 19:48:48 +0100, Paul Walker said: > Anyone have any idea how to start getting people back on the list? Well, erm, don't you just tell them to send "subscribe" to sam-users-request@nvt.ntnu.no? :-) imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jul 23 21:23:07 1998 Message-ID: <35B79996.4CDB0113@man.compsoc.org.uk> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 21:14:14 +0100 From: William Jenkins X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "sam-users@nvg.unit.no" Subject: Sam Basics Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 524 Lines: 14 OK, I recently aquired a Sam Coupe, just the main unit, no PSU or manuals or disks. I searched the internet and found the odd bits of info and downloaded disk images from the FTP site, but am at a loss as to how to proceed. It works, I connected a PC PSU to it and all seems well. Do I need some form of DOS? How do I format a disk or dir or indeed load a file off a disk, is the ear/mic socket just a dual function mono 3.5mm jack socket? Anyone have a spare enter key and shift key? Mine are missing. William Jenkins. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jul 23 21:35:17 1998 From: PGLOVER43 Message-ID: <59743122.35b79b90@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:22:37 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Old scifi - PDC problems Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 168 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 585 Lines: 11 I've had numerous problems with my video lately when using PDC, and so have many others accordingly to a local radio station. Don't risk using it for important videos, unless you're very brave. To bring matters back to SAM, in the past I've set up my SAM to run through the TV via the video, and you can record SAM's output very well if you want to show others what SAM can do. It's easier to lend someone a video tape of SAM stuff rather than a SAM and all the cables, etc. (Can a video recording be made of PC output easily, or is SAM a winner in this field too?!) - Phil Glover. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jul 23 21:35:18 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199807232001.VAA04993@ruby.comlab> References: from Paul Walker at "Jul 23, 98 07:48:48 pm" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 21:27:26 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Subscribers X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 691 Lines: 22 At 9:01 pm +0100 23/7/98, Ian Collier wrote: | V >sam-users-request@nvt.ntnu.no? :-) _ It's not often one gets the chance to be pedantic at Ian.... Andrew -- +----------------+-----------------------------+----------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | to a fool | +----------------+-----------------------------+ and he calls | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | you foolish | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | -- Euripides | +----------------------------------------------+----------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jul 23 21:55:49 1998 Message-Id: From: Dan Doore Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 21:46:53 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: RE: Sam Basics MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /310000000/310102093/310102123/310460310/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 101" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1066 Lines: 33 Hi Will, and welcome. > OK, I recently acquired a Sam Coupe, just the main unit, no PSU or > manuals or disks. > I searched the internet and found the odd bits of info and downloaded > disk images from the FTP site, but am at a loss as to how to > proceed. It > works, I connected a PC PSU to it and all seems well. Do I need some > form of DOS? If you have the .DSK images then using a PC and the program 'samdisk' you should be able to create the disc, with 99 times out of a 100 will have a copy of SamDos on it. Samdisk is on ftp://ftp.nvg.ntnu.no/pub/sam-coupe/misc/pc/samdisk.zip > How do I format a disk or dir or indeed load a file off a disk, is the > ear/mic socket just a dual function mono 3.5mm jack socket? When you have the DOS loaded, just insert a blank floppy and type FORMAT :-) The ear/mic is indeed bi-directional. > Anyone have a spare enter key and shift key? Mine are missing. Format stocks spare keyboards - over to you Bob. Dan. Work: dan@armature.com Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jul 23 22:17:25 1998 Message-ID: <35B7A5A1.3660CF32@man.compsoc.org.uk> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 22:05:37 +0100 From: William Jenkins X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam Basics References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 458 Lines: 14 > If you have the .DSK images then using a PC and the program 'samdisk' you > should be able to create the disc, with 99 times out of a 100 will have a > copy of SamDos on it. > Er, which DSK image would you recommend, I tried one with lots of demos on it, it had an AUTO file if that is important, I typed BOOT and the drive chugged and did nothing, plus the disk got corruupted - maybe I pressed RESET, i hear that is bad with a disk in. Thanks, Will. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jul 23 22:17:27 1998 Message-ID: <35B7A74D.38A59F35@man.compsoc.org.uk> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 22:12:45 +0100 From: William Jenkins X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam Basics References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 248 Lines: 9 A handy disk image of a very useful disk would be much appreciated, as I have nothing for my sam, can it be in a teledisk file as I seem to be able to get that to work OK. Or failing that, dd it in linux/unix so I can use rawrite. Thanks, Will. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jul 23 23:22:57 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <240E7095F10@mail1.pl.hanze.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 23:18:45 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Sam's condition stable in intensive care; may be able to operate soon X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1642 Lines: 40 I've finally managed to temporarily get hold of a multimeter... And what do I find, but a lack of a 12V line.... How easy the problem becomes when you know the answer! At least it's giving out 0V instead of about 27 like last time[1]... Hmm. The plastic of the upper casing has softened above the bottom right of the circuit board. I think this might be a bit of a clue... After switching the power on for a few seconds, R1 became too hot to touch. It has a resistance of 37.8, which is close enough to the prescribed 33.3+10%. The multimeter reckons there's about 7.8V (DC) across it. But presumably a diode is a more likely culprit? All three diodes at the bottom of the board seem to conduct equally in both directions, but I guess that's just a multimeter oddity.... (I was using the test for resistance settings, which probably measure properties with an alternating curent?) What should be the next thing I test? Andrew [1] But that was after being cluelessly 'fixed' after a problem a lot like this one, when I was in a hurry to finish MNEMOdemo... -- +----------------+-----------------------------+----------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | to a fool | +----------------+-----------------------------+ and he calls | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | you foolish | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | -- Euripides | +----------------------------------------------+----------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jul 23 23:34:37 1998 From: Maria Rookyard To: SAM Users Mailing List Subject: Re: The *next* SAM Show Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 23:27:16 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1742 Lines: 52 Peter, Am I right in assuming this is the show you were *really* asking for details about? HTH Maria. ---------- > From: see_the_text@below > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Subject: > Date: 02 July 1998 20:09 > > The Fifth Northern SAM & Spectrum Show - Incorporating 8-Bit Show > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > Yes, it's showtime once again! All owners of 8 Bit machines are > welcomed through the gates of this, the Fifth Northern SAM and > Spectrum Show. > > This time, we're opening at a BRAND NEW LOCATION! Instead of at > Wetherby, which some people have had trouble in reaching, we have > organised this show for Bolton, in Greater Manchester. The new > location offers a much greater facility for parking, and offers easy > availability by rail and bus. > > Whether you be an ordinary user, or any sort of support service > (magazine, software publisher, hardware creator, etc) then we'd love > to see you there. And this time, due to the new venue, we've even > managed to reduce stall costs for anyone wishing to book! > > The show is held at Horwich, Bolton - within easy reach of local > buses, trains etc. If you're unsure of where to go, sending an SSAE > will give you directions. > > At previous shows, we've had all the top names on the SAM & Spectrum > scene; Crashed, Impact, Quazar, Alchemist Research, Persona, Format, > Fred, Sintech, Blitz Magazine, Flexibase, SD Software, ZX Files and > more .... And they've all been invited for this time around too. > > So don't miss out! Be there on the 12th September 1998. > > For more details send an SSAE to: > > NSSS, 32 Barleyfields Road, Wetherby, West Yorks LS22 6PW > or fax (01204) 453030 > > Email: nsss_98@usa.net From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jul 23 23:47:21 1998 From: Peter Harkess To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 23:39:18 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Subject: Re: The *next* SAM Show MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 771 Lines: 39 Hello Maria Maria Rookyard While summoning a demon,chanted, "Re: The *next* SAM Show": > > Peter, > > Am I right in assuming this is the show you were *really* asking for > details about? > > HTH > > Maria. > > > ---------- >> From: see_the_text@below >> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no >> Subject: >> Date: 02 July 1998 20:09 >> >> The Fifth Northern SAM & Spectrum Show - Incorporating 8-Bit Show >> So don't miss out! Be there on the 12th September 1998. >> >> For more details send an SSAE to: >> >> NSSS, 32 Barleyfields Road, Wetherby, West Yorks LS22 6PW >> or fax (01204) 453030 >> >> Email: nsss_98@usa.net Yes that's the one.Thanks for reposting it for me. Kind Regards -- I like work ... I can sit and watch it for hours. cheers Peter Harkess From imc Fri Jul 24 01:09:00 1998 Subject: Re: Sam's condition stable in intensive care; may be able to operate soon In-Reply-To: from Andrew Collier at "Jul 23, 98 11:18:45 pm" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 01:09:00 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 1193 Lines: 29 On Thu, 23 Jul 1998 23:18:45 +0100, Andrew Collier said: > After switching the power on for a few seconds, R1 became too hot to touch. I'm not sure but I think this is normal. It's a bit of a hack, that resistor. > But presumably a diode is a more likely culprit? All three diodes at the > bottom of the board seem to conduct equally in both directions, but I guess > that's just a multimeter oddity.... More likely due to there being other components on the circuit board which provide a low resistance path between the ends of the diode. > (I was using the test for resistance > settings, which probably measure properties with an alternating curent?) Nooohhh! Why would it do that? > [1] But that was after being cluelessly 'fixed' after a problem a lot like > this one, when I was in a hurry to finish MNEMOdemo... If I remember correctly, it was something like a zener diode being replaced by a normal one which of course doesn't have the same voltage limiting properties... Incidentally, if your zener has shorted itself out I guess that would cause the problem but it's a bit late to start disassembling my PSU at this time of night. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jul 24 08:00:53 1998 Message-Id: From: Dan Doore Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 7:55:45 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: RE: Sam Basics MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /310000000/310102093/310102123/310460310/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 101" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 759 Lines: 21 > A handy disk image of a very useful disk would be much > appreciated, as I have > nothing for my sam, can it be in a teledisk file as I seem to > be able to get that to work OK. The best bet here would be a Teledisk copy of the SamDos2 master disc, since Teledisk preserves the format, SamDisk just the data (I forgot this last night, but heck it was late..) I did have a 'blank' Teledisk file with just DOS on it for formatting sam-type floppies on my PC but it's gone AWOL so I can't send it ATM. I don't know if there is a copy of the SamDos2 disc on nvg (ftp://ftp.nvg.ntnu.no/pub/sam-coupe), if not then I can certainly make you one. Dan. Work: dan@armature.com Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jul 24 08:17:22 1998 Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 09:11:52 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9807240711.AA10620@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: RE: Sam Basics X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 224 Lines: 7 > I don't know if there is a copy of the SamDos2 disc on nvg > (ftp://ftp.nvg.ntnu.no/pub/sam-coupe), if not then I can certainly make > you one. At least any of the images in ./magazines/ shold be bootable. -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jul 24 09:16:02 1998 Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 09:13:33 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@red.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam's condition stable in intensive care; may be able to operate soon In-Reply-To: <199807240009.BAA05513@ruby.comlab> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 2402 Lines: 60 On Fri, 24 Jul 1998, Ian Collier wrote: > On Thu, 23 Jul 1998 23:18:45 +0100, Andrew Collier said: > > After switching the power on for a few seconds, R1 became too hot to touch. > > I'm not sure but I think this is normal. It's a bit of a hack, that resistor. Really?!? To this extent? Does everybody else have a designer dent at the bottom right of the power supply case? That sort of heat, which you can feel on the outside of the case now, isn't something I'd noticed before. My first reaction would be that something, probably a diode, has gone bad and is letting far too much current through that resistor. > > But presumably a diode is a more likely culprit? All three diodes at the > > bottom of the board seem to conduct equally in both directions, but I guess > > that's just a multimeter oddity.... > > More likely due to there being other components on the circuit board > which provide a low resistance path between the ends of the diode. Maybe > > (I was using the test for resistance > > settings, which probably measure properties with an alternating curent?) > > Nooohhh! Why would it do that? Well it has to put some current in to measure anything, and I guess AC would be better than DC because it won't charge up any capacitors etc. But it would cause difficulty measuring the resistance of non-ohmic conductors... > > [1] But that was after being cluelessly 'fixed' after a problem a lot like > > this one, when I was in a hurry to finish MNEMOdemo... > > If I remember correctly, it was something like a zener diode being replaced > by a normal one which of course doesn't have the same voltage limiting > properties... Something like that, yes. > Incidentally, if your zener has shorted itself out I guess that would cause > the problem but it's a bit late to start disassembling my PSU at this time > of night. But it's early in the morning.... Andrew -- +----------------+-----------------------------+----------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | to a fool | +----------------+-----------------------------+ and he calls | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | you foolish | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | -- Euripides | +----------------------------------------------+----------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jul 24 12:22:05 1998 From: "E.P.R.P. Blink" Organization: Hanzehogeschool Groningen To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 13:16:34 MET Subject: Re: Sam's condition stable in intensive care; may be able t X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <3EEFE2270F2@mail1.pl.hanze.nl> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1257 Lines: 31 > Does everybody else have a designer dent at the bottom right of the power > supply case? That sort of heat, which you can feel on the outside of the > case now, isn't something I'd noticed before. Mine had it also before it blew up > My first reaction would be that something, probably a diode, has gone bad > and is letting far too much current through that resistor. I think the zener shortened > > > But presumably a diode is a more likely culprit? All three diodes at the > > > bottom of the board seem to conduct equally in both directions, but I guess > > > that's just a multimeter oddity.... > > > > More likely due to there being other components on the circuit board > > which provide a low resistance path between the ends of the diode. Your meassuring the transformers secundairy coil resistance. > > If I remember correctly, it was something like a zener diode being replaced > > by a normal one which of course doesn't have the same voltage limiting > > properties... I would not recomend that since the output voltage will be to high. I would recommend to use a 7812 (Voltage regulator) for a decent 12 Volt or just use a PC powersupply (produces a lot less noise on the sound output) to replace the SAMs one. Edwin Blink. From imc Fri Jul 24 18:04:17 1998 Subject: Re: Sam's condition stable in intensive care; may be able t In-Reply-To: <3EEFE2270F2@mail1.pl.hanze.nl> from "E.P.R.P. Blink" at "Jul 24, 98 01:16:34 pm" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 18:04:17 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 424 Lines: 12 On Fri, 24 Jul 1998 13:16:34 MET, E.P.R.P. Blink said: > > > If I remember correctly, it was something like a zener diode being replaced > > > by a normal one which of course doesn't have the same voltage limiting > > > properties... > I would not recomend that Obviously - however, this did actually happen after a botched repair job and we didn't notice until I measured the voltage and found it to be about 27... imc From imc Fri Jul 24 18:07:29 1998 Subject: Re: Sam's condition stable in intensive care; may be able to operate soon In-Reply-To: from Andrew Collier at "Jul 24, 98 09:13:33 am" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 18:07:29 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 883 Lines: 21 On Fri, 24 Jul 1998 09:13:33 +0100 (BST), Andrew Collier said: > On Fri, 24 Jul 1998, Ian Collier wrote: > > On Thu, 23 Jul 1998 23:18:45 +0100, Andrew Collier said: > > > After switching the power on for a few seconds, R1 became too hot to touch. > > I'm not sure but I think this is normal. It's a bit of a hack, that resistor. > Really?!? To this extent? Perhaps not. It might be a side effect of the 12V line being at 0V (which could be due to the zener shorting itself out). > Well it has to put some current in to measure anything, and I guess AC > would be better than DC because it won't charge up any capacitors etc. But > it would cause difficulty measuring the resistance of non-ohmic > conductors... It's for measuring resistors. Not capacitors or anything else except possibly diodes. No point making it overly complex (where would you get the AC from?). imc From imc Fri Jul 24 18:08:36 1998 Subject: Re: Sam Basics In-Reply-To: from Dan Doore at "Jul 24, 98 07:55:45 am" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 18:08:36 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 286 Lines: 7 On Fri, 24 Jul 1998 7:55:45 +0000, Dan Doore said: > I did have a 'blank' Teledisk file with just DOS on it for formatting > sam-type floppies on my PC but it's gone AWOL so I can't send it ATM. You can of course also format using the normal disk format utility on Linux. :-) imc From imc Fri Jul 24 18:09:23 1998 Subject: Re: Old scifi In-Reply-To: from Dan Doore at "Jul 23, 98 08:13:08 am" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 18:09:23 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 263 Lines: 8 On Thu, 23 Jul 1998 8:13:08 +0000, Dan Doore said: > Chancing on Space:1999 is always spooky since I think I'm missing an > episode of Mission Impossible... I suppose you know that Mission Impossible has started appearing every lunch time on Channel 4? imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jul 24 18:28:05 1998 Message-ID: <19980724172140.17224.qmail@europa.salford.ac.uk> From: stu To: sam-users Subject: wtd: sam Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 18:22:25 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 471 Lines: 10 Dear all, I'm looking to acquire a sam coupe in the manchester region, or anywhere else in the UK where someone would be willing to sell one. A couple of questions on availability: What if any, are the chances of finding a sam at a car boot/newspaper ad? What is the going rate for a sam in the user community at the moment? If anyone's interested in a trade, I have an assortment of 8bit 80's micros, including exotic things such as an SX64. Best Regards, Stu Birchall. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jul 24 20:33:24 1998 From: nevilley@nfy53.demon.co.uk (Nev Young) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: reset->disk corrupt problem; where to find info on Atom Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 19:29:34 GMT Organization: nfy53 Message-ID: <35bbe055.1583578@post.demon.co.uk> References: <18969e54.35b6f934@aol.com> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 527 Lines: 14 On 23 Jul 1998 10:07:40 +0100, Lee Willis wrote: > Christof, There was an alternative chip sold by someone at one point > which would solve your problem, but off the top of my head I don't know > who exactly. Maybe Edwin Blink or Nev Young? Anyone? > Steve Nutting used to sell the SC_BOOT rom which, in my case, prevented any floppies getting burnt. -- Nev - no longer at nevilley@ndirect.co.uk and getting no spam at all (yet) Webpage under construction at www,nfy53,demon,co,uk also hiding on ICQ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jul 24 20:54:12 1998 From: nevilley@nfy53.demon.co.uk (Nev Young) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam Basics Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 19:38:10 GMT Organization: nfy53 Message-ID: <35bce1a2.1916242@post.demon.co.uk> References: <35B79996.4CDB0113@man.compsoc.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <35B79996.4CDB0113@man.compsoc.org.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 917 Lines: 28 On Thu, 23 Jul 1998 21:14:14 +0100, William Jenkins wrote: > OK, I recently aquired a Sam Coupe, just the main unit, no PSU or > manuals or disks. > I searched the internet and found the odd bits of info and downloaded > disk images from the FTP site, but am at a loss as to how to proceed. It > works, I connected a PC PSU to it and all seems well. Do I need some > form of DOS? > How do I format a disk or dir or indeed load a file off a disk, is the > ear/mic socket just a dual function mono 3.5mm jack socket? > So does this mean you are missing: a manual a dos disk a dos manual If you want to get serious with the machine then I may have some of these spare that I would exchange for cash. Unless some one else beats me to it. -- Nev - no longer at nevilley@ndirect.co.uk and getting no spam at all (yet) Webpage under construction at www,nfy53,demon,co,uk also hiding on ICQ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jul 24 20:54:12 1998 From: nevilley@nfy53.demon.co.uk (Nev Young) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam's condition stable in intensive care; may be able to operate soon Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 19:42:47 GMT Organization: nfy53 Message-ID: <35bde30d.2279133@post.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1653 Lines: 43 On Thu, 23 Jul 1998 23:18:45 +0100, Andrew Collier wrote: > I've finally managed to temporarily get hold of a multimeter... > > > > And what do I find, but a lack of a 12V line.... How easy the problem > becomes when you know the answer! At least it's giving out 0V instead of > about 27 like last time[1]... > > > > Hmm. The plastic of the upper casing has softened above the bottom right of > the circuit board. I think this might be a bit of a clue... > > After switching the power on for a few seconds, R1 became too hot to touch. > It has a resistance of 37.8, which is close enough to the prescribed > 33.3+10%. The multimeter reckons there's about 7.8V (DC) across it. > > But presumably a diode is a more likely culprit? All three diodes at the > bottom of the board seem to conduct equally in both directions, but I guess > that's just a multimeter oddity.... (I was using the test for resistance > settings, which probably measure properties with an alternating curent?) > > What should be the next thing I test? > change the 12V zener(sp?) diode labled D4. they go often as the resistor R1 has too low a value as it was designed for a machine that drew rather more current than sam does. Therefore the excess current it absorbed by the zener which shorts. You might try changing R1 for a value of 150R to prevent a re-occurence. hth Nev - fixer of psus -- Nev - no longer at nevilley@ndirect.co.uk and getting no spam at all (yet) Webpage under construction at www,nfy53,demon,co,uk also hiding on ICQ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jul 24 20:54:12 1998 From: nevilley@nfy53.demon.co.uk (Nev Young) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: wtd: sam Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 19:46:36 GMT Organization: nfy53 Message-ID: <35bee472.2636478@post.demon.co.uk> References: <19980724172140.17224.qmail@europa.salford.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <19980724172140.17224.qmail@europa.salford.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 785 Lines: 22 On Fri, 24 Jul 1998 18:22:25 +0100, "stu" wrote: > Dear all, > I'm looking to acquire a sam coupe in the manchester region, or anywhere > else in the UK where someone would be willing to sell one. > A couple of questions on availability: > What if any, are the chances of finding a sam at a car boot/newspaper ad? > What is the going rate for a sam in the user community at the moment? > If anyone's interested in a trade, I have an assortment of 8bit 80's > micros, including exotic things such as an SX64. > Best Regards, > Stu Birchall. > they seam to appear in LOOT fairly regularly. hth -- Nev - no longer at nevilley@ndirect.co.uk and getting no spam at all (yet) Webpage under construction at www,nfy53,demon,co,uk also hiding on ICQ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jul 24 22:22:13 1998 From: Chris White To: sam-users Subject: Re: Stuff Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 23:09:20 +0100 Message-ID: <01bdb361$e116a840$0100007f@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 96 Lines: 8 Im right here??? Chris >Sorry about this... >ObSamStuff: where did Chris White get to? >Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jul 24 22:47:39 1998 Message-ID: <19980724214448.26185.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [207.220.173.45] From: Simon Cooke To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: reset--disk corrupt problem; where to find info on Atom Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 14:44:08 PDT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 896 Lines: 26 >Steve Nutting used to sell the SC_BOOT rom which, in my case, >prevented any floppies getting burnt. For anyone interested in how this worked, what it does is it resets the disk controller chip after it has finished the memory check. Which actually makes a lot of sense -- it gives it long enough for the chip to stabilise, and then fires a software reset just to be sure (it's one of the interrupt commands - &D0 IIRC). The kind of thing which should be in the ROM anyway, really. However, unfortunately this doesn't work in all cases; sometimes without the 8MHz clock while the chip is resetting, the controller gets confused and won't actually recognise the commands. YMMV. Simon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jul 24 22:52:50 1998 Message-ID: <19980724214835.16467.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [207.220.173.45] From: Simon Cooke To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Stuff Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 14:48:35 PDT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 258 Lines: 13 >Im right here??? > >Chris Then reply to your bloody email once in a while ;) I've emailed you tons of times, and you've not responded. Simon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jul 24 23:17:56 1998 From: Chris White To: sam-users Subject: Re: Stuff Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 00:13:24 +0100 Message-ID: <01bdb36a$d47fea20$0100007f@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 472 Lines: 17 > >Then reply to your bloody email once in a while ;) I've emailed you tons >of times, and you've not responded. But just like this one , its gone through NVG Soz about that though it was for everyone. Hows things going , Ive been kinda busy (Sentinel Returns JULY 98 and Assault SEPT 98 ). I think Im gonna need some rest soon >Simon Chris >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -------------------- NO ------------------------------ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jul 25 00:42:03 1998 From: Maria Rookyard To: sam-users Subject: Re: The *next* SAM Show Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 00:32:50 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 202 Lines: 12 > Maria Rookyard While summoning a demon I don't summon demons any more - I've given up all the occult stuff. Honest... you *do* all believe me don't you??? Maria. P.S. Peter, glad I could help. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jul 25 14:25:47 1998 From: Dean Liversidge To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 14:14:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: reset->disk corrupt problem; where to find info on Atom In-reply-to: <18969e54.35b6f934@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id OAA01499 Status: RO Content-Length: 4128 Lines: 93 From: > > To prevent disc corruption just follow the very simple rule 'do have a disc in > the drive when you switch on/off or press reset'. > Bob. Thats not a rule it's just pretty obvious that if there isn't a disc in, then the machine can't coprrupt it, but it does'nt make life any easier. I just draged out my modified Tech Manual, which includes some bits and pieces of information i added myself, included in it are my circuits that i used to build a reset modification to the SAM. I've thought i'd put it into an ascii picture for anyone if there interested. I'ts not much, it just holds the disk drive reset line longer than the sam reset line allowing the cpu clock to become stable before the drive controller comes back online. The only problem is that the Sam circuit board needs modifications to seperate the reset signal from the switch and to seperate the reset line from the drive connectors. If anyones wants more detail on that then i may put it all together in a text file and put it on NVG, if i ever get around to it. Anyway, this is the curcuit cos it's only 50odd lines of text, needs viewing in DOS type font, or Terminal font codepage 470. and yes i know it's high ascii, so you'll have to have a descent e-mail program that can handle it. 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It is one or the other so it doesn't > actually matter. That's the whole point, it does matter. > >What proof do you have to say that the developers manual was > >owned by Samco, and not just the Author prior to the Technical > >manual being purchased/licenced/whatever by Samco by such > >person(s)?? > > I think you misunderstand what how the tech manual (nee developer's manual) > came into being. It was MGT's, it became Format's with SAMCO having exclusive > sales rights until their liquidation. Yes, you keep talking about sales rights, this does not mean you own the copyright, you may have rights to sell the manual, but is it not possible that other people could re-produce it and not sell it, ie distibute it free on the web. This does not contravein sales rights does it?, obviously with permission of the author, who owns the copyright. > There is no argument. I aint gona say what i think about that statement. -- Dean Liversidge From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jul 25 14:36:44 1998 Message-ID: <19980725133129.25920.qmail@thanatos.clara.net> From: David Ledbury To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam Coupe Development Manual V1.1 X-Sender: persona@clara.net X-Mailer: ClaraNet WWW E-Mail Client Date: Sat, 25 Jul 98 14:31:29 BST X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 509 Lines: 9 > A rather intresting document I came across yesterday at a > HCCSinclair-meeting in Houten. There they have (I have it with me now but > it is still owned by HCCSinclair) a Sam Development Manual from may 1989 > > It looks much like like a smaller version of the Technical manual, So > anyone intrested in a copy of that? Another piece of Sam History methinks > :) Sounds like the one I've got... lots more stuff about Basic - including TPEEK ... and was apparently used by Mel in writing the Basic Manual. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jul 25 14:43:32 1998 Message-ID: <19980725133754.27309.qmail@thanatos.clara.net> From: David Ledbury To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: wtd: sam X-Sender: persona@clara.net X-Mailer: ClaraNet WWW E-Mail Client Date: Sat, 25 Jul 98 14:37:54 BST X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 756 Lines: 18 > Dear all, > I'm looking to acquire a sam coupe in the manchester region, or anywhere > else in the UK where someone would be willing to sell one. > A couple of questions on availability: > What if any, are the chances of finding a sam at a car boot/newspaper ad? > What is the going rate for a sam in the user community at the moment? > If anyone's interested in a trade, I have an assortment of 8bit 80's > micros, including exotic things such as an SX64. > Best Regards, > Stu Birchall. > Hi Stu. Malcolm Mackenzie is a great source of SAM's... he's found several for people wanting to buy them, but not being to able to afford certain "reconditioned" ones for sale elsewhere.... He's Bury based... so call him on 0161 797 0651 for more info. David From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jul 25 15:02:08 1998 Message-ID: <19980725134808.29591.qmail@thanatos.clara.net> From: David Ledbury To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: HD BOOT ROM X-Sender: persona@clara.net X-Mailer: ClaraNet WWW E-Mail Client Date: Sat, 25 Jul 98 14:48:08 BST X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 540 Lines: 16 > Anyone know how many pounds 30 Guilders is? I'm still saving up for my > Atom :( I would had it by now if my f*cking PC motherboard hadn't blown. > > Gavin 39 Guilders was how much I paid for Transilvanian Tower ;) Seriously... I believe Macks selling them for Edwin in the UK as well... about 12.50 UKP if I recall? > P.S. Dave and anyone else trying to phone me - I'm staying with my gf for > 3 weeks but I'm using her (shite) computer to check email and stuff so > I'm still contactable. At least u've got internet access.... :( From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jul 25 17:13:16 1998 Message-ID: <35BA0352.A7D4DF91@man.compsoc.org.uk> Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 17:09:55 +0100 From: William Jenkins X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "sam-users@nvg.unit.no" Subject: Oh dear Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 394 Lines: 9 It seems my floppy drive is buggered, the rack and pinion drive for the head has teeth missing, so I replaced it with some spares I had for citizen drives , so the head moves now, but I still get read errors, so either it has lost it's calibration (bugger) or something else is wrong. The former would be ok, except I need to get dos via a PC drive, anyone know of TCP/IP for a SAM?!!! Will. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jul 25 22:39:24 1998 From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Oh dear Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 21:34:26 GMT Message-ID: <35ba4f1f.24987690@mail.enterprise.net> References: <35BA0352.A7D4DF91@man.compsoc.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <35BA0352.A7D4DF91@man.compsoc.org.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 220 Lines: 12 On Sat, 25 Jul 1998 17:09:55 +0100, William Jenkins wrote: >The former would be ok, except I need to get dos via a PC drive, anyone >know of TCP/IP for a SAM?!!! Can't be done, sorry Sad, isnit. Bye, Dave Whitmore From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jul 28 10:00:35 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 04:43:54 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Sam Coupe Development Manual V1.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 918 Lines: 32 In a message dated 23/07/98 09:23:17, you write: > writes: > >> In a message dated 21/07/98 20:24:14, Dean wrote: >> >> >So which one is it?, you seem a little unclear on the situation >> >yourself, what proof of ownership do you have over the Develpoers >> >Manual? >> >> I would not like to even have a guess. It is one or the other so it doesn't >> actually matter. > >What!? The two are complete opposites. It's a question of whether you >own the rights to something or whether you don't. That is a pretty big >difference, and most people would say that the difference mattered ... > >Lee. Use a little logic Lee. Given a situation where either A or B is true, then C is false. IF covered_by_assignment THEN PRINT "Format Publications has the rights":STOP IF NOT covered_by_assignment THEN PRINT "The author(s) have the rights":STOP PRINT "Not a valid answer": STOP HTH. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jul 28 10:00:35 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 04:43:55 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: reset--disk corrupt problem; where to find info on Atom Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1361 Lines: 34 In a message dated 23/07/98 12:03:29, you write: >>To prevent disc corruption just follow the very simple rule 'do have a >disc in >>the drive when you switch on/off or press reset'. > >Presumably you have some miraculous way of un-hanging both disc >controllers, Bob? Because whether the disc is in the drive or not, the >controller still goes haywire. In my machine, with two drives, it had >fits. That's without any modifications. It corrupted disks *without them >being in the drive*. It continously came up with disk errors on booting >- when there were no errors - just because the disk controller was >spouting bad data. If one of the controllers was working, you could >pretty much guarantee that the other one had hung. Getting both drives >in a workable state simultaneously was a pain at times. Some days were >worse than others. > >Installed the disk protector - and hey presto. Absolutely no more >problems. > >Simon Someone was right to point out that the sentence should have read DON'T (although actually I had put the do in right but missed the very large smile at the end of the sentence. But once again, as I've said so many times before - NEVER, EVER, have a disc in the drive unless you are reading from it or writing to it. Disc protectors MAY work - BUT they are no substitute for the golden rule of disc usage. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jul 28 10:00:37 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 04:46:52 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: reset--disk corrupt problem; where to find info on Atom Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 980 Lines: 31 In a message dated 24/07/98 21:45:49, you write: >>Steve Nutting used to sell the SC_BOOT rom which, in my case, >>prevented any floppies getting burnt. > > > > >For anyone interested in how this worked, what it does is it resets the >disk controller chip after it has finished the memory check. Which >actually makes a lot of sense -- it gives it long enough for the chip to >stabilise, and then fires a software reset just to be sure (it's one of >the interrupt commands - &D0 IIRC). The kind of thing which should be in >the ROM anyway, really. No it should not, because it is not needed, because you should NEVER have a disc in the drive at these times. > >However, unfortunately this doesn't work in all cases; sometimes without >the 8MHz clock while the chip is resetting, the controller gets confused >and won't actually recognise the commands. > >YMMV. > > > > >Simon -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jul 28 10:00:38 1998 From: BrenchleyR Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 04:53:58 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Sam Coupe Development Manual V1.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1668 Lines: 51 In a message dated 25/07/98 13:26:11, you write: >> > >> > >> >So which one is it?, you seem a little unclear on the situation >> >yourself, what proof of ownership do you have over the Develpoers >> >Manual? >> >> I would not like to even have a guess. It is one or the other so it doesn't >> actually matter. > >That's the whole point, it does matter. Dean, the point is that either I have the rights, or Bruce Gordon has the rights (as the major author). It is one or the other. In this argument it DOES NOT MATTER which of those two is true because it has to be one or the other - there is no third option. So, have a go at the person who was going to copy the manual - not me. > >> >What proof do you have to say that the developers manual was >> >owned by Samco, and not just the Author prior to the Technical >> >manual being purchased/licenced/whatever by Samco by such >> >person(s)?? >> >> I think you misunderstand what how the tech manual (nee developer's manual) >> came into being. It was MGT's, it became Format's with SAMCO having >exclusive >> sales rights until their liquidation. > >Yes, you keep talking about sales rights, this does not mean you >own the copyright, you may have rights to sell the manual, but is it >not possible that other people could re-produce it and not sell it, ie >distibute it free on the web. This does not contravein sales rights >does it?, obviously with permission of the author, who owns the >copyright. Reread what I wrote please. I have the copyright. Samco had the selling rights. > >> There is no argument. >I aint gona say what i think about that statement. > >-- >Dean Liversidge -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jul 28 10:13:17 1998 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam Coupe Development Manual V1.1 References: From: Lee Willis Date: 28 Jul 1998 10:02:31 +0100 In-Reply-To: 's message of Tue, 28 Jul 1998 04:43:54 EDT Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1731 Lines: 44 writes: > In a message dated 23/07/98 09:23:17, you write: > > > writes: > > > >> In a message dated 21/07/98 20:24:14, Dean wrote: > >> > >> >So which one is it?, you seem a little unclear on the situation > >> >yourself, what proof of ownership do you have over the Develpoers > >> >Manual? > >> > >> I would not like to even have a guess. It is one or the other so it doesn't > >> actually matter. > > > >What!? The two are complete opposites. It's a question of whether you > >own the rights to something or whether you don't. That is a pretty big > >difference, and most people would say that the difference mattered ... > > > Use a little logic Lee. Given a situation where either A or B is true, then C > is false. Where did C appear from? We're all aware that _someone_ owns the rights, that's not what we wanted to know (In fact no-one asked about rights in the first place ...). You started going on about copyright and then said you might or might not have the rights to the work in question. Given that you were talking about copyright infringement it is important to know if you do have the right to complain about someone copying the work and therefore whether or not you do indeed have the rights. Stop expanding you're argument as you go along, just admit what you said was daft/irrelevat > IF covered_by_assignment THEN PRINT "Format Publications has the rights":STOP > IF NOT covered_by_assignment THEN PRINT "The author(s) have the rights":STOP > PRINT "Not a valid answer": STOP And don't be do f^^king patronising ... I'm well aware of how logic works. Lee. -- Lee Willis GBDirect Ltd, 27 Park Drive, Heaton, Bradford, UK, BD9 4DS Tel: +44 (0)1274 772277 From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jul 28 10:13:22 1998 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam Coupe Development Manual V1.1 References: From: Lee Willis Date: 28 Jul 1998 10:04:29 +0100 In-Reply-To: 's message of Tue, 28 Jul 1998 04:43:54 EDT Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 606 Lines: 19 writes: > Dean, the point is that either I have the rights, or Bruce Gordon has the > rights (as the major author). It is one or the other. In this argument it DOES > NOT MATTER which of those two is true because it has to be one or the other - > there is no third option. writes: > Use a little logic Lee. Given a situation where either A or B is true, then C > is false. But I thought that there was no third option? And you're lecturing _me_ on logic? Lee. -- Lee Willis GBDirect Ltd, 27 Park Drive, Heaton, Bradford, UK, BD9 4DS Tel: +44 (0)1274 772277 From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jul 28 10:13:23 1998 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: reset--disk corrupt problem; where to find info on Atom References: From: Lee Willis Date: 28 Jul 1998 10:05:31 +0100 In-Reply-To: 's message of Tue, 28 Jul 1998 04:46:52 EDT Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 411 Lines: 15 writes: > In a message dated 24/07/98 21:45:49, you write: > > No it should not, because it is not needed, because you should NEVER have a > disc in the drive at these times. Yeah and you shouldn't have fire extinguishers around, because you should NEVER set fire to your house ... Lee. -- Lee Willis GBDirect Ltd, 27 Park Drive, Heaton, Bradford, UK, BD9 4DS Tel: +44 (0)1274 772277 From imc Tue Jul 28 10:57:23 1998 Subject: Re: reset--disk corrupt problem; where to find info on Atom In-Reply-To: from BrenchleyR at "Jul 28, 98 04:46:52 am" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 10:57:23 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 1261 Lines: 27 On Tue, 28 Jul 1998 04:46:52 EDT, BrenchleyR said: > In a message dated 24/07/98 21:45:49, you write: I presume Simon wrote this, although we don't know because you didn't make any attempt to attribute it. > >For anyone interested in how this worked, what it does is it resets the > >disk controller chip after it has finished the memory check. Which > >actually makes a lot of sense -- it gives it long enough for the chip to > >stabilise, and then fires a software reset just to be sure (it's one of > >the interrupt commands - &D0 IIRC). The kind of thing which should be in > >the ROM anyway, really. > No it should not, because it is not needed, because you should NEVER have a > disc in the drive at these times. Have you read what the man wrote in this and the previous note? According to Simon, disks can be corrupted *even if they are not in the drive when the button is pressed*. This is because the reset confuses the disk controller, and the disk controller will not necessarily be in a non-confused state when you put the disk in. The above tries to fix this by resetting the controller. Why shouldn't this be in the ROM? imc PS this message is copyright and reproduction in any form is forbidden unless it is properly attributed. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jul 28 12:06:05 1998 Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:00:33 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@red.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam Coupe Development Manual V1.1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 867 Lines: 30 On Tue, 28 Jul 1998 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > Use a little logic Lee. Given a situation where either A or B is true, then C > is false. A = The coin lands Heads B = The coin lands Tails C = It rains on Thursday afternoon or maybe A = Bob owns the copyright B = Somebody else owns the copyright C = The copyright holder grants permission for online distribution. That sort of thing. Andrew -- +----------------+-----------------------------+----------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | to a fool | +----------------+-----------------------------+ and he calls | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | you foolish | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | -- Euripides | +----------------------------------------------+----------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jul 28 12:13:36 1998 Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:08:22 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@red.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: reset--disk corrupt problem; where to find info on Atom In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2329 Lines: 59 On Tue, 28 Jul 1998 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: [Simon wrote:] > >Presumably you have some miraculous way of un-hanging both disc > >controllers, Bob? Because whether the disc is in the drive or not, the > >controller still goes haywire. In my machine, with two drives, it had > >fits. That's without any modifications. It corrupted disks *without them > >being in the drive*. > > But once again, as I've said so many times before - NEVER, EVER, have a disc > in the drive unless you are reading from it or writing to it. Read what Simon said, please.... As a corollary: When I reset my Sam, with no disk in the drive, and then when the Sam is ready to boot, I put a disk in; sometimes the floppy disk controller isn't ready for it. The drive spins up when the disk goes in, and doesn't spin down again. And then if ask Sam to BOOT, nothing happens. I've never been so unlucky as to have a disk corrupted this way (so far). But I always have to eject the disk while it's spinning, and that's not a good thing. > Disc protectors MAY work - BUT they are no substitute for the golden rule of > disc usage. The disk protector DOES work, and they solve one problem that even your "golden rule" doesn't. But even if corrupting disks during reset was the only problem, it's still a perfectly sensible 'belt and braces' approach. This thread started when somebody asked where to get a disk protector, and you said they didn't need it. "Doctor, Doctor! My shoulder hurts when I move my arm round in circles." "Don't do that then." "But sometimes I forget not to" "That would be using your arm incorrectly" "But obviously there's a genuine problem with my shoulder" "There's no design flaw in normal use" "Other people have had the same problem and got their shoulders fixed" "I don't recommend that procedure" etc etc... Belt and braces. Andrew -- +----------------+-----------------------------+----------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | to a fool | +----------------+-----------------------------+ and he calls | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | you foolish | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | -- Euripides | +----------------------------------------------+----------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jul 28 14:15:45 1998 Message-ID: <19980728130820.11876.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [12.67.195.204] From: Simon Cooke To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: reset--disk corrupt problem; where to find info on Atom Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 06:08:19 PDT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1090 Lines: 30 >>For anyone interested in how this worked, what it does is it resets the >>disk controller chip after it has finished the memory check. Which >>actually makes a lot of sense -- it gives it long enough for the chip to >>stabilise, and then fires a software reset just to be sure (it's one of >>the interrupt commands - &D0 IIRC). The kind of thing which should be in >>the ROM anyway, really. > >No it should not, because it is not needed, because you should NEVER have a >disc in the drive at these times. Bob, please read the following sentence: The disk controller can be reset to a locked up/invalid state without the 8MHz clock being present during the reset pulse, and as such can corrupt a disk when you put it in *after* the reset has occured and you are at the Copyright prompt. It doesn't make any difference if you have a disk in the drive or not while that reset button is pressed; sometimes you can corrupt the disk when you hit F9 to boot. Simon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jul 28 14:36:52 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <8025664F.00498268.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 14:26:47 +0100 Subject: Re: reset--disk corrupt problem; where to find info on Atom Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 664 Lines: 20 >The disk controller can be reset to a locked up/invalid state without >the 8MHz clock being present during the reset pulse, and as such can >corrupt a disk when you put it in *after* the reset has occured and you >are at the Copyright prompt. > >It doesn't make any difference if you have a disk in the drive or not >while that reset button is pressed; sometimes you can corrupt the disk >when you hit F9 to boot. > >Simon Is this why the drive light seems to stay on for ever until I put a disk in? And that time when I put the disk in and it DIDN'T go out? had to turn off the machine and leave it cold for a while before I got it working again... Justin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jul 28 15:48:34 1998 Message-ID: <19980728144402.12251.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [12.67.195.112] From: Simon Cooke To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: reset--disk corrupt problem; where to find info on Atom Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 07:44:01 PDT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 860 Lines: 24 >Is this why the drive light seems to stay on for ever until I put >a disk in? If you have one of the mutilated PC drives, or a black-slot drive, then no; it's actually because they're 1.44mb drives which are being fudged to do the job. As a side effect of getting them to work properly, the LED remains on all that time when a disk is in the drive. If you've got one of the old blue-slot drives, then yes, that's the likely cause. >And that time when I put the disk in and it DIDN'T go out? had to turn off >the machine and leave it cold for a while before I got it working again... Now *that* is the symptom that I'm talking about. And leaving it cold doesn't seem to help - at least in my case - it seems to be totally random. Simon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jul 28 16:09:28 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <8025664F.0053359E.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 16:11:29 +0100 Subject: Re: reset--disk corrupt problem; where to find info on Atom Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 669 Lines: 29 Simon replied to me: >>Is this why the drive light seems to stay on for ever until I put >>a disk in? > >If you've got one of the old blue-slot drives, then yes, that's the >likely cause. It's the blue one... >>And that time when I put the disk in and it DIDN'T go out? had to turn >>off >>the machine and leave it cold for a while before I got it working >>again... > >Now *that* is the symptom that I'm talking about. And leaving it cold >doesn't seem to help - at least in my case - it seems to be totally >random. Ack! It's only happened to me once and it scared the s*** out of me... Does the DPU solve this problem???? If so, I need it NOW!!!! Justin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jul 28 16:14:39 1998 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: reset--disk corrupt problem; where to find info on Atom References: <8025664F.0053359E.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> From: Lee Willis Date: 28 Jul 1998 16:09:56 +0100 In-Reply-To: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk's message of Tue, 28 Jul 1998 16:11:29 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 757 Lines: 23 Justin_Skists@case.co.uk writes: > Simon replied to me: > > >Now *that* is the symptom that I'm talking about. And leaving it cold > >doesn't seem to help - at least in my case - it seems to be totally > >random. > > Ack! It's only happened to me once and it scared the s*** out of me... > > Does the DPU solve this problem???? If so, I need it NOW!!!! Happened to you once? it used to happen to me all the time, I used to have to either hold down reset for a while or unplug for a minute or so to solve the problem, can't say it ever corrupted any of my discs though. But I imagine if it can be in such an unstable state then it easily could ... Lee. -- Lee Willis GBDirect Ltd, 27 Park Drive, Heaton, Bradford, UK, BD9 4DS Tel: +44 (0)1274 772277 From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jul 28 17:18:58 1998 Message-ID: <19980728160928.28733.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [207.220.173.176] From: Simon Cooke To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: reset--disk corrupt problem; where to find info on Atom Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 09:09:28 PDT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 438 Lines: 14 >Ack! It's only happened to me once and it scared the s*** out of me... > >Does the DPU solve this problem???? If so, I need it NOW!!!! It does indeedy. BTW: The DPU is an 8MHz clock crystal, with an XOR gate (I think - could be a NAND, its been a while) acting in its non-linear mode to generate the clock pulses. Simon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jul 28 17:46:43 1998 Message-ID: <35BDFECD.4BA9@AnySIM.de> Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 18:39:41 +0200 From: Christof Odenthal X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: reset--disk corrupt problem; where to find info on Atom References: <8025664F.0053359E.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 770 Lines: 24 Hello, does anybody know the reason why MGT did this clock-pausing during a reset - what is this for ? Some ICs need a minimum clock rate to work properly (i think they have capacitors built in which can't keep their energy very long - so they have to be refreshed within a certain time - like dynamic memory). Was the clock-pausing an attempt of MGT to reset the FDC ? I can't belive that, hardly anybody would do it that way... That reminds me of the clock signal of the Z80 in a 48k Speccy - it is paused when the Z80 and the ULA simultaneously want to access memory in the address range of 16384 to 32767... bye, Christof. -- \ | / (-O-O-) -----oooO--(_)--Oooo----- mailto: Odenthal@AnySIM.de homepg: http://homepages.muenchen.org/bm347689/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jul 28 18:42:23 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: POSTMASTER From: Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <8025664F.006105D7.00@osiris.postmaster.co.uk> Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 18:39:48 +0100 Subject: Re: Sam Coupe Development Manual V1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1519 Lines: 49 [cut] | > > | > Use a little logic Lee. Given a situation where either A or B is true, then C | > is false. | | Where did C appear from? We're all aware that _someone_ owns the | rights, that's not what we wanted to know (In fact no-one asked about | rights in the first place ...). | You started going on about copyright and then said you might or might | not have the rights to the work in question. Given that you were talking | about copyright infringement it is important to know if you do have the | right to complain about someone copying the work and therefore whether | or not you do indeed have the rights. Stop expanding you're argument as | you go along, just admit what you said was daft/irrelevat Just a little min Lee, it was me who pointed out that that our Dutch 'friend' was planning on infringing (somebody's) copyright. I don't care who's copyright it is - just as long as the obnoxious git is made to realise that it is NOT his. | | > IF covered_by_assignment THEN PRINT "Format Publications has the rights":STOP | > IF NOT covered_by_assignment THEN PRINT "The author(s) have the rights":STOP | > PRINT "Not a valid answer": STOP | | And don't be do f^^king patronising ... I'm well aware of how logic | works. | | Lee. Well try reading what has been said, then people will not need to point out where your logic was going wrong. -- Samsboss - The One And Only. Accept No Others. ___________________________________ To sign up for a free email account, visit http://www.postmaster.co.uk. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jul 28 18:54:58 1998 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 17:36:22 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Dave Subject: Re: reset--disk corrupt problem; where to find info on Atom In-Reply-To: <19980728144402.12251.qmail@hotmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 3.05 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 880 Lines: 24 >>And that time when I put the disk in and it DIDN'T go out? had to turn >off >>the machine and leave it cold for a while before I got it working >again... > >Now *that* is the symptom that I'm talking about. And leaving it cold >doesn't seem to help - at least in my case - it seems to be totally >random. > >Simon my god, man! it's not just me? this is one of the prime reasons i stopped using my sam. NOW i realise it had been a design flaw all along. i might get a dpu now, even though i don't use my sam. (except for loading spectrum tapes into an unregistered copy of a PC spectrum emulator ;) it never used to happen, but then again, that was before SamTech stole my disc drive and replaced it with a subtly different one (with a official black flap; my original was a blue flap that i'd painted black) could someone post a diagram for the dpu? thanks. dave hooper From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jul 28 19:24:10 1998 Message-Id: <199807281756.TAA23969@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: Sam Coupe Development Manual V1.1 Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 19:54:13 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1171 Lines: 36 > Van: BrenchleyR@aol.com > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Onderwerp: Re: Sam Coupe Development Manual V1.1 > Datum: Tuesday, July 28, 1998 10:53 > > In a message dated 25/07/98 13:26:11, you write: > >That's the whole point, it does matter. > > Dean, the point is that either I have the rights, or Bruce Gordon has the > rights (as the major author). It is one or the other. In this argument it DOES > NOT MATTER which of those two is true because it has to be one or the other - > there is no third option. Than it matters who owns the copyright, either you have it or you don't, you can report me to the police for copyright infrigements, but who's copyright are we talking here? So why don't you make that call to the police, "Sir I have a very serious case of copyright infrigement here." > So, have a go at the person who was going to copy the manual - not me. Yeah get Robert and burn him at the stake. > Reread what I wrote please. I have the copyright. Samco had the selling > rights. Well put it up or shup up Bob -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Mind you if we call you "Bruce", it might otherwise cause some confusion. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jul 28 19:24:10 1998 Message-Id: <199807281801.UAA25246@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: Sam Coupe Development Manual V1.1 Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 20:00:53 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 855 Lines: 28 > Van: Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Onderwerp: Re: Sam Coupe Development Manual V1.1 > Datum: Tuesday, July 28, 1998 7:39 > Just a little min Lee, it was me who pointed out that that our Dutch > 'friend' > was planning on infringing (somebody's) copyright. I don't care who's > copyright > it is - just as long as the obnoxious git is made to realise that it is NOT > > his. So who is the obnoxious git here? the one that has copied a 10 year old manual. Or the one that is still hiding himself behind a anonymous email-adress in order to insult and rant at the other users. Hello mr. Kettle > Samsboss - The One And Only. > Accept No Others. Accept no samboss (lowercase intentional) -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Mind you if we call you "Bruce", it might otherwise cause some confusion. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jul 28 19:24:10 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <8025664F.006105D7.00@osiris.postmaster.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 19:12:18 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Sam Coupe Development Manual V1.1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 762 Lines: 22 At 6:39 pm +0100 28/7/98, Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk >the obnoxious git wrote: >Well try reading what has been said, then people will not need to point out >where your logic was going wrong. Well, will you just look at that. Samsboss is being rude to people again. I'm *so* surprised. Andrew -- +----------------+-----------------------------+----------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | to a fool | +----------------+-----------------------------+ and he calls | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | you foolish | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | -- Euripides | +----------------------------------------------+----------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jul 28 19:36:22 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <8025664F.005C36FA.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 19:38:23 +0100 Subject: Re: reset--disk corrupt problem; where to find info on Atom Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 349 Lines: 18 Simon says: >BTW: The DPU is an 8MHz clock crystal, with an XOR gate (I think - could >be a NAND, its been a while) acting in its non-linear mode to generate >the clock pulses. Ummm... Circuit diagram? Or was Dean's one the one? Oh. Add to the list: ....and P&P to Bob to get my SAM fixed when I realised I cut the wrong track... :( Justin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jul 28 19:58:26 1998 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 19:52:32 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Dave Subject: Re: Sam Coupe Development Manual V1.1 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 3.05 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 287 Lines: 9 >So who is the obnoxious git here? the one that has copied a 10 year old >manual. Or the one that is still hiding himself behind a anonymous >email-adress in order to insult and rant at the other users. Hello mr. >Kettle isn't it 'hello mr. Pot' ? or have i missed the point? -- Dave From imc Tue Jul 28 20:50:28 1998 Subject: Re: Sam Coupe Development Manual V1.1 In-Reply-To: <199807281801.UAA25246@mailserv.caiw.nl> from Robert van der Veeke at "Jul 28, 98 08:00:53 pm" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 20:50:28 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 357 Lines: 10 On Tue, 28 Jul 1998 20:00:53 +0200, Robert van der Veeke said: > So who is the obnoxious git here? the one that has copied a 10 year old > manual. Or the one that is still hiding himself behind a anonymous > email-adress in order to insult and rant at the other users. Or is it the *businessman* in his suit and tie? imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jul 28 23:11:10 1998 Message-Id: <199807282205.XAA10033@popmail.dircon.co.uk> From: Gavin Smith To: sam-users Subject: It's the great SAM Clock update! Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 22:58:42 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 856 Lines: 16 I hate to change the subject folks (no, really, I do, I'm enjoying seeing Bob/Samsboss make of fool of himself!) but this seems to be the only way for Bob to get my messages these days :) Erm, Bob me old chum, me old mucker, me old skip, I still haven't received a refund for my SAM_Clock that was ordered God knows how many years ago. (Nor, incidentally have I received the Clock itself, but then I don't expect to, as I told you ages ago that I don't want the thing). So Bob, am I ever going to get my money back? Gavin P.S. Bob, I really hate the thought of having to take you to the small claim's court (mainly cos I couldn't be arsed) but if I did - you know the SAM you sold me as "new" all those years ago? ;) And you know the mouse interface and mouse that never arrived? ;) And you know...? ;) I think you get my meaning Bob - I want money! :) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jul 28 23:23:56 1998 Message-ID: <19980728221808.29750.qmail@metis.salford.ac.uk> From: stu To: sam-users Subject: Re: Sam Coupe Development Manual V1.1 Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 23:18:48 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1090 Lines: 24 Hi, I'm new to the Sam Coupe scene, and I should be taking possession of my first Sam shortly. A couple of questions for old hands: 1. Are there any disk/paper based mags still going at the moment, and where can I sign up? 2. What is the physical floppy disk format - 3.5 inch, or something wierd such as 3inch? On the copyright issue, I've written a design manual myself, and the copyright defaulted to my employer. I think the copyright thing is moot for old computers and their software; for although the money generating life-span of a product has long since ended, the intellectual copyright may still need enforcing. I can think of several 8-bit computer games, the underlying concepts of which could make real money for current software houses willing to give them an overhaul. The same couldn't be said, say, of a technical manual - which in the SAM case is only really useful to remaining hobbyists. Full acknowledgement of authorship and ownership should be given, but I see no reason why it couldn't be released into the public domain at the discretion of the authors. Stu From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jul 29 00:03:21 1998 From: Dean Liversidge To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 23:56:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Sam Coupe Development Manual V1.1 In-reply-to: <199807281756.TAA23969@mailserv.caiw.nl> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1612 Lines: 47 From: "Robert van der Veeke" > > >That's the whole point, it does matter. > > Dean, the point is that either I have the rights, or Bruce Gordon has the > > rights (as the major author). It is one or the other. In this argument it > DOES > > NOT MATTER which of those two is true because it has to be one or the > other - > > there is no third option. Where did no. 3 come into it, oh yeah, Bob made it up! > Than it matters who owns the copyright, either you have it or you don't, > you can report me to the police for copyright infrigements, but who's > copyright are we talking here? > > So why don't you make that call to the police, "Sir I have a very serious > case of copyright infrigement here." > > > So, have a go at the person who was going to copy the manual - not me. No, I think Robert should copy it, go for it man! In fact i think everything in the computing world should be freeware or even PD (poss). Information should be free to help anybody who is prepared to read and use it. Unfortunatly very few people nowadays are prepared to even read a help file let alone anything else, but they are the first in the queue to complain or ask others for help. > Yeah get Robert and burn him at the stake. Can i join the party ?? Are Jacket Spuds on the go aswell? > > Reread what I wrote please. I have the copyright. Samco had the selling > > rights. > > Well put it up or shup up Bob Now that you have re-phased it it sounds better, why couldn't you have just said that exact sentance before, it's much clearer. -- Dean Liversidge From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jul 29 00:08:21 1998 From: Maria Rookyard To: sam-users Subject: Re: Sam Coupe Development Manual V1.1 Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 00:02:47 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 368 Lines: 18 ---------- > From: Ian Collier > > Or the one that is still hiding himself behind a > > anonymous email-adress in order to insult and > > rant at the other users. > > > Or is it the *businessman* in his suit and tie? > > > imc Yet again it's the former who's the *real* sick man in this society ;) Maria. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jul 29 09:16:44 1998 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam Coupe Development Manual V1.1 References: <8025664F.006105D7.00@osiris.postmaster.co.uk> From: Lee Willis Date: 29 Jul 1998 09:04:18 +0100 In-Reply-To: Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk's message of Tue, 28 Jul 1998 18:39:48 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 935 Lines: 25 Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk writes: > Just a little min Lee, it was me who pointed out that that our Dutch > 'friend' > was planning on infringing (somebody's) copyright. I don't care who's > copyright > it is - just as long as the obnoxious git is made to realise that it is NOT I stand corrected on who exactly started the thread, but the fact still remains that Bob was wittering on about copyright as though it was his rights that were being infringed when he didn't even know who _actually_ owned the rights ... > Well try reading what has been said, then people will not need to point out > where your logic was going wrong. My logic wasn't wrong at all .. It _does_ matter who owns the copyright. If it isn't Bob then the actual owner probably doesn't mind and therefore copying it would be OK, however if it _is_ Bob ... Lee. -- Lee Willis GBDirect Ltd, 27 Park Drive, Heaton, Bradford, UK, BD9 4DS Tel: +44 (0)1274 772277 From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jul 29 09:16:45 1998 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam Coupe Development Manual V1.1 References: From: Lee Willis Date: 29 Jul 1998 09:05:24 +0100 In-Reply-To: "Dean Liversidge"'s message of Tue, 28 Jul 1998 23:56:30 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 294 Lines: 14 "Dean Liversidge" writes: > > Yeah get Robert and burn him at the stake. > > Can i join the party ?? > Are Jacket Spuds on the go aswell? Mmm, marshmallows .... Lee. -- Lee Willis GBDirect Ltd, 27 Park Drive, Heaton, Bradford, UK, BD9 4DS Tel: +44 (0)1274 772277 From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jul 29 09:43:46 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <80256650.002FE028.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:46:39 +0100 Subject: New to SAM (Was: Sam Coupe Development Manual V1.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 680 Lines: 28 >Hi, >I'm new to the Sam Coupe scene, Welcome! :) >and I should be taking possession of my >first Sam shortly. A couple of questions for old hands: >1. Are there any disk/paper based mags still going at the moment, and where >can I sign up? The ones I subscribe to are Blitz (disk) and Format (paper). There are quite a few others such as Fred and Crashed and such-and-such, but I'm sure the respective owners will give details. Bob Brenchly is the one to chat to about Format and David Ledbury is the one to chat to about Blitz... >2. What is the physical floppy disk format - 3.5 inch, or something wierd >such as 3inch? 3.5inch DS/DD disks formatted to 800K. Justin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jul 29 10:09:23 1998 Message-ID: <35BEE511.4413@AnySIM.de> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:02:09 +0200 From: Christof Odenthal X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: reset--disk corrupt problem; where to find info on Atom References: <8025664F.005C36FA.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 920 Lines: 23 hello, yesterday i've looked into the Sam's circuit diagrams. The ASIC gets the 24MHz clock signal directly and internally generates clock signals for the Z80, the sound chip and the FDC (do the others pause, too, when a reset occurs ? This seems to happen inside the ASIC since i saw no external switching circuit). I think it should be possible to build a simple counter (0 to 2) to generate a stable 8MHz signal from the 24 MHz clock out of some flip-flops (r-s or d) and a logic chip (for resetting the counter at 3). Since we take the source signal directly from the xtal we have to use an amplifier/impedance converter (i hope i used the right terms for the description). The whole circuit should consist of about 2 ic's and some transistors (or an op-amp). bye, Christof. -- \ | / (-O-O-) -----oooO--(_)--Oooo----- mailto: Odenthal@AnySIM.de homepg: http://homepages.muenchen.org/bm347689/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jul 29 19:37:16 1998 From: Paul Walker Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 00:17:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Sam Coupe Development Manual V1.1 Message-ID: In-reply-to: <19980728221808.29750.qmail@metis.salford.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) X-Hops: 1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 706 Lines: 16 > remaining hobbyists. Full acknowledgement of authorship and ownership > should be given, but I see no reason why it couldn't be released into the > public domain at the discretion of the authors. Exactly. Truth be told, most people wouldn't have a problem with it being released /now/ - as you said, it's not serving any money- making purposes, and releasing the information can only help. (Could someone confirm by private email if this got out, btw? I'm not 100% what Mailtraq is doing with the outgoing email...) Paul -- ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ---- FidoNet: 2:254/211.44 2:442/103.13 ---> http://www.craybbs.co.uk/foti <--- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jul 30 18:43:36 1998 From: Maria Rookyard To: sam-users Subject: Re: Sam Coupe Development Manual V1.1 Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 18:37:32 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 297 Lines: 14 ---------- > From: Andrew Collier > > A = The coin lands Heads > B = The coin lands Tails > C = It rains on Thursday afternoon > > Andrew > What brilliant forecasting - it *did* rain this afternoon. Have you considered applying for a job at the Met Office...? Maria. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jul 30 19:22:10 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 19:08:30 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Sam Coupe Development Manual V1.1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 911 Lines: 26 At 6:37 pm +0100 30/7/98, Maria Rookyard wrote: >---------- >> From: Andrew Collier >> >> A = The coin lands Heads >> B = The coin lands Tails >> C = It rains on Thursday afternoon > >What brilliant forecasting - it *did* rain this afternoon. Have you >considered applying for a job at the Met Office...? Indeed it did, and I got soaked while cycling back from work today. But which way up did the coin land? Andrew -- +----------------+-----------------------------+----------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | to a fool | +----------------+-----------------------------+ and he calls | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | you foolish | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | -- Euripides | +----------------------------------------------+----------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jul 30 20:23:14 1998 From: Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk X-Lotus-FromDomain: POSTMASTER To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <80256651.006A2A65.00@osiris.postmaster.co.uk> Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 20:19:39 +0100 Subject: Re: Sam Coupe Development Manual V1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1680 Lines: 50 | Hi, | | I'm new to the Sam Coupe scene, and I should be taking possession of my | first Sam shortly. A couple of questions for old hands: | 1. Are there any disk/paper based mags still going at the moment, and where | can I sign up? The only paper one is Format. Email Bob (Formatpub@aol.com) with your address. Disk mags are rare on the ground now, Fred is supposed to be under new management but the only other one I would recommend is Sam Suppliment. | 2. What is the physical floppy disk format - 3.5 inch, or something wierd | such as 3inch? 3.5 inch DS/DD 800K formatted. | | On the copyright issue, I've written a design manual myself, and the | copyright defaulted to my employer. I think the copyright thing is moot for | old computers and their software; for although the money generating | life-span of a product has long since ended, the intellectual copyright may | still need enforcing. I can think of several 8-bit computer games, the | underlying concepts of which could make real money for current software | houses willing to give them an overhaul. The same couldn't be said, say, of | a technical manual - which in the SAM case is only really useful to | remaining hobbyists. Full acknowledgement of authorship and ownership | should be given, but I see no reason why it couldn't be released into the | public domain at the discretion of the authors. At the discretion of the copyright owner ITYM, as you pointed out in your own case, the author is not always the copyright owner. | | Stu | -- Samsboss - The One And Only. Accept No Others. ___________________________________ To sign up for a free email account, visit http://www.postmaster.co.uk. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jul 30 20:29:55 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: POSTMASTER From: Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <80256651.006AA6A0.00@osiris.postmaster.co.uk> Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 20:24:57 +0100 Subject: Re: Sam Coupe Development Manual V1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 640 Lines: 26 | > Van: Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk | > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no | > Onderwerp: Re: Sam Coupe Development Manual V1.1 | > Datum: Tuesday, July 28, 1998 7:39 | [snip] | | So who is the obnoxious git here? the one that has copied a 10 year old | manual. Or the one that is still hiding himself behind a anonymous | email-adress in order to insult and rant at the other users. Hello mr. | Kettle You are of course - I'm not the one intent on commiting an illegal act now am I. -- Samsboss - The One And Only. Accept No Others. ___________________________________ To sign up for a free email account, visit http://www.postmaster.co.uk. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jul 30 20:43:37 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <80256651.006AA6A0.00@osiris.postmaster.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 20:36:24 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Sam Coupe Development Manual V1.1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 789 Lines: 23 At 8:24 pm +0100 30/7/98, Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk wrote: >You are of course - I'm not the one intent on commiting an illegal act now >am >I. No, you're the one intent on keeping a long overdrawn argument going, and just being generally rude to people. Kindly shut up before people start unsubscribing again. Andrew -- +----------------+-----------------------------+----------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | to a fool | +----------------+-----------------------------+ and he calls | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | you foolish | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | -- Euripides | +----------------------------------------------+----------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jul 31 06:19:19 1998 From: Dean Liversidge To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 06:14:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Sam Coupe Development Manual V1.1 In-reply-to: <80256651.006A2A65.00@osiris.postmaster.co.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 509 Lines: 18 From: Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk > | I'm new to the Sam Coupe scene, and I should be taking possession of my > | first Sam shortly. A couple of questions for old hands: > | 1. Are there any disk/paper based mags still going at the moment, and > where > | can I sign up? > > The only paper one is Format. Email Bob (Formatpub@aol.com) with your > address. Can somebody who actually knows, correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't Crashed still running, plus i think some others. -- Dean Liversidge From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jul 31 06:19:20 1998 From: Dean Liversidge To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 06:14:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Sam Coupe Development Manual V1.1 In-reply-to: <80256651.006AA6A0.00@osiris.postmaster.co.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 267 Lines: 18 From: Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk > > You are of course - I'm not the one intent on commiting an illegal act now > am > I. > > Samsboss - The One And Only. > Accept No Others. Hmmm, did i hear someone mention leude somewhere ??? -- Dean Liversidge From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jul 31 06:36:40 1998 Message-Id: <199807310534.HAA20226@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: Sam Coupe Development Manual V1.1 Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 07:26:35 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 662 Lines: 18 > Van: Dean Liversidge > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Onderwerp: Re: Sam Coupe Development Manual V1.1 > Datum: Friday, July 31, 1998 7:14 > > The only paper one is Format. Email Bob (Formatpub@aol.com) with your > > address. > > Can somebody who actually knows, correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't > Crashed still running, plus i think some others. Off course they are, but they are not in the intrest of the three stooges, bobby, billy and bossy. I missed Blitz, that one is certainly still up. -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Mind you if we call you "Bruce", it might otherwise cause some confusion. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jul 31 09:30:51 1998 From: Maria Rookyard To: sam-users Subject: Re: Sam Coupe Development Manual V1.1 Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 09:19:57 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 500 Lines: 24 > At 6:37 pm +0100 30/7/98, Maria Rookyard wrote: > >---------- > >> From: Andrew Collier > >> > >> A = The coin lands Heads > >> B = The coin lands Tails > >> C = It rains on Thursday afternoon > > > >What brilliant forecasting - it *did* rain this afternoon. Have you > >considered applying for a job at the Met Office...? > > Indeed it did, and I got soaked while cycling back from work today. > > But which way up did the coin land? > > Andrew > Heads :) Maria. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jul 31 09:49:31 1998 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam Coupe Development Manual V1.1 References: From: Lee Willis Date: 31 Jul 1998 09:44:46 +0100 In-Reply-To: "Maria Rookyard"'s message of Thu, 30 Jul 1998 18:37:32 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 425 Lines: 16 "Maria Rookyard" writes: > > From: Andrew Collier > > > > C = It rains on Thursday afternoon > > What brilliant forecasting - it *did* rain this afternoon. Have you > considered applying for a job at the Met Office...? He'd never get it, he got it right after all ;) Lee. -- Lee Willis GBDirect Ltd, 27 Park Drive, Heaton, Bradford, UK, BD9 4DS Tel: +44 (0)1274 772277 From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jul 31 11:39:51 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <80256652.0039DFDF.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 11:35:17 +0100 Subject: Re: Sam Coupe Development Manual V1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 706 Lines: 26 Bob wrote: >| Hi, >| >| I'm new to the Sam Coupe scene, and I should be taking possession of my >| first Sam shortly. A couple of questions for old hands: >| 1. Are there any disk/paper based mags still going at the moment, and >where >| can I sign up? > >The only paper one is Format. Email Bob (Formatpub@aol.com) with your >address. So I guess my review for Stratosphere that was printed in Crashed was really printed in Format... :) (BTW, thanks Mark Sturdy, for sending me that copy...) >Disk mags are rare on the ground now, Fred is supposed to be under new >management but the only other one I would recommend is Sam Suppliment. Not tried Fred or Sam Suppliment, but I like Blitz... Justin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jul 31 11:39:52 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <80256652.003A302D.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 11:37:04 +0100 Subject: Re: Sam Coupe Development Manual V1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 337 Lines: 12 >What brilliant forecasting - it *did* rain this afternoon. Have you >considered applying for a job at the Met Office...? Don't remind me!!! I had my second ever driving lesson on that afternoon and I did it in the rain! The way I was taking those junctions, I guess I shouldn't have played Gran Turismo the night before... Justin.