From imc Sat Aug 1 11:53:24 1998 Subject: John Kettley is a weatherman To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 11:53:24 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 129 Lines: 6 And so is Michael Fish. And so is Ian McCaskill. But no... he retired yesterday! imc (sorry, I thought the list was too quiet) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 1 15:45:28 1998 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: persona@mail.clara.net Date: Sat, 1 Aug 98 15:32:44 +0100 Subject: RE:Re: Oh dear X-Mailer: Coynet E-Mail Network Client 4.0.10 Message-Id: <19980801084859.2a6e08a124e511d287ea00a024bf3533.in@mail.coynet.com> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 377 Lines: 24 The following is the original message >On Sat, 25 Jul 1998 17:09:55 +0100, William Jenkins wrote: > > >>The former would be ok, except I need to get dos via a PC drive, anyone >>know of TCP/IP for a SAM?!!! > >Can't be done, sorry > >Sad, isnit. >Bye, > >Dave Whitmore > Says who? If it can be done for the C64... as it has... are you really saying that it cant? David From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 1 18:30:50 1998 From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Oh dear Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 17:20:08 GMT Message-ID: <35c44dd5.15863860@mail.enterprise.net> References: <19980801084859.2a6e08a124e511d287ea00a024bf3533.in@mail.coynet.com> In-Reply-To: <19980801084859.2a6e08a124e511d287ea00a024bf3533.in@mail.coynet.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 538 Lines: 27 On Sat, 1 Aug 98 15:32:44 +0100, persona@mail.clara.net wrote: >> >>>The former would be ok, except I need to get dos via a PC drive, anyone >>>know of TCP/IP for a SAM?!!! >> >>Can't be done, sorry >Says who? Me! >If it can be done for the C64... as it has... are you really saying that it cant? No, I'm really saying that it isn't likely to be done. The C64 had a big following and it was probably worthwhile putting in the effort. Are you saying that it can, or that it is ever likely to be done? :) Bye, Dave Whitmore From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 1 22:43:32 1998 From: Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk X-Lotus-FromDomain: POSTMASTER To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <80256653.0076C822.00@osiris.postmaster.co.uk> Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 22:37:59 +0100 Subject: Re: John Kettley is a weatherman Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 345 Lines: 18 | And so is Michael Fish. | And so is Ian McCaskill. | | But no... he retired yesterday! | | imc (sorry, I thought the list was too quiet) It is quiet, but shirly not /that/ quiet? -- Samsboss - The One And Only. Accept No Others. ___________________________________ To sign up for a free email account, visit http://www.postmaster.co.uk. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 1 23:27:45 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 23:21:48 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: My power supply... X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 750 Lines: 21 Cambridge Tandy's are rubbish. Hah. I must have been mad - the very idea that I should have been able to walk in and buy a diode. Honestly! As if Tandy's was a hobbyist's electronics shop... So, anyone know where I can get a 50p component without paying UKP 5.00 postage? Andrew -- +----------------+-----------------------------+----------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | to a fool | +----------------+-----------------------------+ and he calls | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | you foolish | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | -- Euripides | +----------------------------------------------+----------------+ From imc Sun Aug 2 15:13:24 1998 Subject: Re: My power supply... In-Reply-To: from Andrew Collier at "Aug 1, 98 11:21:48 pm" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 15:13:24 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 811 Lines: 19 On Sat, 1 Aug 1998 23:21:48 +0100, Andrew Collier said: > Cambridge Tandy's are rubbish. I could have told you that without going in. :-) > Hah. I must have been mad - the very idea that I should have been able to > walk in and buy a diode. Honestly! As if Tandy's was a hobbyist's > electronics shop... The most complicated thing I have bought from Tandy in recent years is a resistor. I once went in to buy a fuse when a sales assistant interfered, asked me what I wanted, and gave me a packet containing a fuse. Which I then put back on the hanger and found the one I had actually asked for. :-) The 1995/6 Maplin catalogue claims that a Cambridge shop opened in Nov 1995; it is said to be situated at 1 Coldhams Lane at the junction with Newmarket Road (A1134). There is also one in Sheffield. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 2 15:31:13 1998 From: nevilley@nfy53.demon.co.uk (Nev Young) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: My power supply... Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 14:22:02 GMT Organization: nfy53 Message-ID: <35c675cf.436064@post.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 600 Lines: 22 On Sat, 1 Aug 1998 23:21:48 +0100, Andrew Collier wrote: > Cambridge Tandy's are rubbish. > > Hah. I must have been mad - the very idea that I should have been able to > walk in and buy a diode. Honestly! As if Tandy's was a hobbyist's > electronics shop... > > So, anyone know where I can get a 50p component without paying UKP 5.00 > postage? > All Tandys are rubbish. what diode is you want ? the 12v zener? I have some. -- Nev - no longer at nevilley@ndirect.co.uk and getting no spam at all (yet) Webpage under construction at www,nfy53,demon,co,uk also hiding on ICQ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 3 13:51:04 1998 From: Matthew Craven Organization: Umist To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 13:30:37 BST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: John Kettley is a weatherman In-reply-to: <199808011053.LAA29808@ruby.comlab> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 227 Lines: 13 > And so is Michael Fish. > And so is Ian McCaskill. > > But no... he retired yesterday! Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.... Or should I say .... Hello! > imc (sorry, I thought the list was too quiet) MJC. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 3 15:33:38 1998 Message-ID: <19980803141333.23391.qmail@amalthea.salford.ac.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: S.D.Birchall@surveying.salford.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:06:21 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: John Kettley is a weatherman References: <199808011053.LAA29808@ruby.comlab> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 138 Lines: 9 > And so is Michael Fish. > And so is Ian McCaskill. > ..pause... And so is Wincey Willis.. Tribe of Toffs, whatever became of them!? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 4 13:26:59 1998 From: Paul Walker Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:20:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Format X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 552 Lines: 16 Hi All, I see that Bob's tact and diplomacy courses must have paid off. "Personally, just getting a few people together to help sort out SAM's ROM and DOS is a hard enough task - it seems that there are still too many people whose main interest is coding stupid scrolly demos which serve no purpose other than to inflate there [sic] own egos for five minutes." Paul -- ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ---- FidoNet: 2:254/211.44 2:442/103.13 ---> http://www.craybbs.co.uk/foti <--- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 4 13:41:00 1998 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Format References: From: Lee Willis Date: 04 Aug 1998 13:31:58 +0100 In-Reply-To: "Paul Walker"'s message of Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:20:55 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 801 Lines: 20 "Paul Walker" writes: > I see that Bob's tact and diplomacy courses must have paid off. > > "Personally, just getting a few people together to help sort out SAM's > ROM and DOS is a hard enough task - it seems that there are still > too many people whose main interest is coding stupid scrolly demos > which serve no purpose other than to inflate there [sic] own egos for > five minutes." The bizarre thing is if you actually read this and think about it it's kind of an admission that he _does_ need the expertise of some of the people on this list depsite his previous claims to the effect that he had much more experience and knew what he was doing more ... Lee. -- Lee Willis GBDirect Ltd, 27 Park Drive, Heaton, Bradford, UK, BD9 4DS Tel: +44 (0)1274 772277 From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 4 13:59:43 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <80256656.004722EB.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:59:06 +0100 Subject: Re: Format Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 557 Lines: 14 >I see that Bob's tact and diplomacy courses must have paid off. > >"Personally, just getting a few people together to help sort out SAM's >ROM and DOS is a hard enough task - it seems that there are still >too many people whose main interest is coding stupid scrolly demos >which serve no purpose other than to inflate there [sic] own egos for >five minutes." Ooh.. Is the new issue of Format out then? Will it be on my doorstep waiting for me at home? it sounds like I should read it this time (rather than stick it in my draw with the others) Justin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 4 19:24:34 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 19:17:26 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Format X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id TAA24378 Status: RO Content-Length: 2289 Lines: 51 At 1:20 pm +0100 4/8/98, Paul Walker wrote: >I see that Bob's tact and diplomacy courses must have paid off. Just when I thought we were all starting to get along again... >"Personally, just getting a few people together to help sort out SAM's >ROM and DOS is a hard enough task - it seems that there are still >too many people whose main interest is coding stupid scrolly demos >which serve no purpose other than to inflate there [sic] own egos for >five minutes." So, Bob, chum, me ol' mate; What stage is the SRAM hardware at? Remember, you said this board was almost ready for manufacture at the show four months ago. What has happened since? It may be a tired old cliché[1], but: when you point your finger at people because your plans aren't working out, you've got three more fingers pointing back at yourself... As for egos - well, I haven't seen the context of this quote. But it sounds like you're writing yet another article about how wonderful you are and hoping to divert attention away from why the plan has really stalled. Besides, if you want us coders to co-operate, I can think of better moves than generally insulting us all in your magazine. Just an observation. I've said I don't think your ideas are particularly feasible, but I've also said that I'm willing go along with them to save the trouble of the argument and vaguely hope that at least something will eventually get done. HOWEVER you've got to keep up your side of the bargain! Where is this SRAM we developers are supposed to be using to modify Sam ROM and DOS? Until that appears; when I get chance program the Sam, I will spend my unpaid time on projects that _I_ think are worthwhile. And you have absolutely no right to judge (at least, not publicly) whether they are worthwhile or not. Andrew [1] Is "tired old cliché" one? -- +----------------+-----------------------------+----------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | to a fool | +----------------+-----------------------------+ and he calls | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | you foolish | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | -- Euripides | +----------------------------------------------+----------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 4 21:54:41 1998 Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 16:46:20 -0400 From: Gordon Wallis <101762.2062@compuserve.com> Subject: Format To: "INTERNET:sam-users@nvg.unit.no" Message-ID: <199808041646_MC2-5521-C6BF@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 401 Lines: 10 Message text written by INTERNET:sam-users@nvg.unit.no >sort out SAM's ROM and DOS is a hard enough task< By this I take it that Edwin's sterling work on B-DOS and the HD boot rom don't count in any way, shape or form..? Oh, sorry, that just hasn't happened in real life, has it? (Happy owner of one of Persona's 'Atom' interfaces, with that gleeful, warm, fluffy feeling permeating my very being) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 4 23:28:28 1998 From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Format Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 22:17:54 GMT Message-ID: <35c98665.17711467@mail.enterprise.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 564 Lines: 16 While we're quoting Bob, in case anyone's not fixed into CSS, look at this little wonder. :) >TOTAL RUBBISH. Do you _really_ think people buy a PC for programming? >To learn to program you need a machine that is at least a little bit >user friendly - which lets the PC out for a start. Erm... PCs are very user friendly. What's unfriendly about them? >I've been a programmer, a professional programmer, since 1976. Would I >program a PC? Not on your life I wouldn't." Like the Spectrum and SAM markets have been swamped by your creations Bob... Ha ha ha! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 5 00:02:10 1998 From: Paul Walker Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 23:57:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Format In-reply-to: <80256656.004722EB.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 488 Lines: 12 > Ooh.. Is the new issue of Format out then? Will it be on my doorstep > waiting for me at home? it sounds like I should read it this time > (rather than stick it in my draw with the others) New issue is out, and arrived here this morning. That's in the letters section, answering (IIRC) Guy Inchbald. Paul -- ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ---- FidoNet: 2:254/211.44 2:442/103.13 ---> http://www.craybbs.co.uk/foti <--- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 5 00:02:10 1998 From: Paul Walker Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 23:57:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Format References: "Paul Walker"'s message of Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:20:55 +0100 In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 452 Lines: 11 > The bizarre thing is if you actually read this and think about it it's > kind of an admission that he _does_ need the expertise of some of the > people on this list depsite his previous claims to the effect that he Good point, actually. That hadn't occurred to me. Paul -- ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ---- FidoNet: 2:254/211.44 2:442/103.13 ---> http://www.craybbs.co.uk/foti <--- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 5 00:02:11 1998 From: Paul Walker Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 23:57:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Format In-reply-to: References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id AAA28756 Status: RO Content-Length: 1054 Lines: 28 > >I see that Bob's tact and diplomacy courses must have paid off. > Just when I thought we were all starting to get along again... I did wonder whether to actually post it here, but the target was so thinly veiled that I thought people deserved to know. > As for egos - well, I haven't seen the context of this quote. But it sounds Answering a letter discussing SAMson. I can post the full text of the letter and reply if people want. > Until that appears; when I get chance program the Sam, I will spend my > unpaid time on projects that _I_ think are worthwhile. And you have Seems fair enough. I haven't actually used my Sam in a long time, tbh. How many people have? > [1] Is "tired old cliché" one? I think so, yes. But cliches are cliches (I can't find the accent) simply because they're useful phrases - the hammer in the toolbox of conversation. ;) Paul -- ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ---- FidoNet: 2:254/211.44 2:442/103.13 ---> http://www.craybbs.co.uk/foti <--- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 5 00:24:17 1998 Message-Id: <199808042320.BAA03711@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: Format Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 01:20:20 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 495 Lines: 14 Van: Paul Walker Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Onderwerp: Re: Format Datum: Wednesday, August 05, 1998 12:57 > Answering a letter discussing SAMson. I can post the full text of the > letter and reply if people want. That would be a copyright infrigement :) But post it anyway, I like to see how Bob talks himself out of this one. -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Mind you if we call you "Bruce", it might otherwise cause some confusion. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 5 00:48:53 1998 From: Paul Walker Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 00:42:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Format In-reply-to: <199808042320.BAA03711@mailserv.caiw.nl> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 649 Lines: 20 > That would be a copyright infrigement :) Do I look like I care? ;) > But post it anyway, I like to see how Bob talks himself out of this one. I'll type it up sometime tomorrow. From what I remember, Guy's basically come to the same conclusion that we have on the list - the amount of changes that are required for SAMson to have any chance of taking off at all, you might as well just write a good emulator for the PC. And we already have one of those. Paul -- ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ---- FidoNet: 2:254/211.44 2:442/103.13 ---> http://www.craybbs.co.uk/foti <--- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 5 09:20:13 1998 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Format References: From: Lee Willis Date: 05 Aug 1998 09:16:57 +0100 In-Reply-To: "Paul Walker"'s message of Wed, 5 Aug 1998 00:42:26 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 906 Lines: 25 "Paul Walker" writes: > Robert vdV wrote: > > > That would be a copyright infrigement :) > > Do I look like I care? ;) I was about to point out the same thing as Robert did but as you say you probably don't care and I don't fancy Bob ever actually managing to sue succesfully since he'd have to prove that by posting it here it was damaging sales of Format (Which it may very well do given it's content but that's his fault for writing it in the first place ...) and I don't think anyone here was actually intending buying it anyway so that's that argument down the drain ... BTW. Is my memory faltering or was it Guy Inchbald that asked the question in Format about the MIDI sequencer that lead to the whole Format/Persona/Dave Ledbury thang ...? Just a thought ... Lee. -- Lee Willis GBDirect Ltd, 27 Park Drive, Heaton, Bradford, UK, BD9 4DS Tel: +44 (0)1274 772277 From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 5 11:03:40 1998 Message-Id: <199808050957.LAA24801@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: Format Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:56:49 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 736 Lines: 23 > Van: Paul Walker > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Onderwerp: Re: Format > Datum: Wednesday, August 05, 1998 1:42 > > > That would be a copyright infrigement :) > > Do I look like I care? ;) Looking carefully, eh no. > I'll type it up sometime tomorrow. From what I remember, Guy's > basically come to the same conclusion that we have on the list - the > amount of changes that are required for SAMson to have any > chance of taking off at all, you might as well just write a good > emulator for the PC. Lets say that Stonehenge moves faster than the Samson :) -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Mind you if we call you "Bruce", it might otherwise cause some confusion. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 5 11:55:21 1998 Subject: atom To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:47:25 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <199808050957.LAA24801@mailserv.caiw.nl> from "Robert van der Veeke" at Aug 5, 98 11:56:49 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Gale X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 191 Lines: 9 I seem to have missed out on this 'atom' in my year's absence from the list... is there a web page about it anywhere? How much is it, and how well does it fit in with SAMDos? Cheers, Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 6 12:18:02 1998 Subject: SRAM To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 12:09:24 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Gale X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 422 Lines: 9 Since I heard the SRAM board mentioned the other day, has anyone seen the Fujitsu FLASH chip in the Maplin catalogue? It costs about a tenner, and has something like 256K or 512K - and an eight bit bus --- could be ideal for those who want to tinker with the ROM! And no need for batteries, either.... I think they only need a single 5v supply. Have a look at: http://www.fujitsumicro.com/products/memory/flash.html Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 6 13:52:50 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <80256658.0044DEE3.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:52:24 +0100 Subject: Re: SRAM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1147 Lines: 28 >Since I heard the SRAM board mentioned the other day, has anyone >seen the Fujitsu FLASH chip in the Maplin catalogue? It costs >about a tenner, and has something like 256K or 512K - and >an eight bit bus --- could be ideal for those who want to >tinker with the ROM! And no need for batteries, either.... >I think they only need a single 5v supply. Have a look at: I remember mentioning the FLASH EPROMs to Bob when he first suggested the SRAM project. I think Simon and Martin someone designed a 512K Flash ROM thing for the SAM. But, as with any other idea put to Bob, he's thrown it out of the window to keep to his own. Which is fair enough since, apparently, he "owns" the SAM market. Doesn't matter now, anyway. I've almost got all the parts to build my own 512K Flash + 128K ram interface. I just got to sit down and make the thing. Well, I will do after I make my PIC programmer + assembler in Pro-DOS. (I promised to make a MIDI-filter for a friend of mine) After that, I think I'll go and write myself a "stupid scrolly demo" since I've never done one before... Justin. PS. Why isn't there a 12v supply to the expansion port??? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 6 14:41:37 1998 Subject: Re: SRAM To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:32:33 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <80256658.0044DEE3.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> from "Justin_Skists@case.co.uk" at Aug 6, 98 01:52:24 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Gale X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2993 Lines: 88 > Doesn't matter now, anyway. I've almost got all the parts to > build my own 512K Flash + 128K ram interface. I just got to > sit down and make the thing. Well, I will do after I make > my PIC programmer + assembler in Pro-DOS. (I promised to > make a MIDI-filter for a friend of mine) > I duuno why there's no twelve vots on the expainsion port (there is on the scart connector, though) but if you were thinking for your PIC programmer, then what I did was "sit" a 9v battery on top of the 5volt supply, and take the result (approx. 14volts) through a diode to the PIC pin - The diode drops about a volt, and the battery can be around 10v when new, but everything seems to work fine. I've got a simple PIC programmer for the SAM which connects to the printer port, takes 5volts from the joystick port, and uses the battery for the programming voltage - and it only has one chip (an ls05), a few resistors, and a switch! I'll try and put it on NVG sometime.... The assembler is dead easy too - you type the pic program in as a BASIC program, and each PIC instruction is a BASIC procedure - it's a little slow, but it's fine for the short programs most PICs are used for. There's a slight problem between the PIC commands goto and call, and the BASIC keywords, so I renamed them ggoto and ccall. So, for example, here's a short piece of useless PIC code, and what it looks like with my assembler: ORG 0 BCF $10,4 BTFSS $14,5 GOTO skip BSF $10,4 skip NOP loop1 GOTO loop1 becomes...... 1 LET skip=-1 : LET loop1=-1 : REM give all labels values to prevent "undeined variable error" for forward jumps on first pass 10 LET pc=0 20 pass1 : REM assembler procedures don't produce any output any output on first pass 21 : 30 bcf &10,4 40 btfss &14,5 50 ggoto skip : REM if we didn't have LET skip=[a value] in line 1 then we would get an error here on the first pass 60 bsf &10,4 70 LET skip=pc 80 bsf &10,4 90 LET loop1=pc : REM this is a forward branch, so we could get away with not puttine LET loop1=[a value] in line 1 100 ggoto loop1 : REM note "ggoto" not "goto" 110 : 120 IF pass=1 THEN pass2 : GOTO 30 130 STOP 140 : 150 ....all the assembler routines The only rule is: make sure you save before running (assembling) your code - typing "call xxx" instead of "ccall xxx" can be disatrous! I also ran into problems with the SAM BASIC "edit your program one-too-many- times bug" - but found you can get round it by LISTing your program to a section of memory and KEYINing it all back in again - very fiddly! Still, it's a lovely tool, and once you get used to it, it's quite a bit more flexible than a standard assembler - for example, you can create an 80 cycle delay with: FOR i=1 TO 20 : nop : NEXT i and an 18-entry sine wave look-up table with: FOR i=0 TO 17 : retlw SIN(i*20*6.28/360) : NEXT i Simple! I'll put the code up a.s.a.p. Cheers, Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 6 15:32:17 1998 Subject: PC keyboard interface To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 15:18:22 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <80256658.0044DEE3.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> from "Justin_Skists@case.co.uk" at Aug 6, 98 01:52:24 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Gale X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 357 Lines: 9 Whilst we're talking about PICs, I did make and (I think - it was quite a while ago) get working a PC keyboard interface for the SAM - totally hardware, so it's compatible with all software. It used a PIC16c84 and a few other chips. I haven't touched it in ages, but if anyone's interested then I might get off my arse and esign a PCB. Any thoughts? Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 6 20:09:35 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: POSTMASTER From: Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <80256658.00689BEB.00@osiris.postmaster.co.uk> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 20:02:38 +0100 Subject: Re: PC keyboard interface Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 604 Lines: 22 | Whilst we're talking about PICs, I did make and (I think - it | was quite a while ago) get working a PC keyboard interface for | the SAM - totally hardware, so it's compatible with all software. | It used a PIC16c84 and a few other chips. I haven't touched it in ages, | but if anyone's interested then I might get off my arse and | esign a PCB. Any thoughts? | | Andy | Both Bob and Nev have a good PCB design package from what I hear. -- Samsboss - The One And Only. Accept No Others. ___________________________________ To sign up for a free email account, visit http://www.postmaster.co.uk. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 6 20:09:36 1998 From: Peter Harkess To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 07 Jan 1978 20:27:20 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Subject: Re: PC keyboard interface MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 875 Lines: 28 Hello Andrew Andrew Gale While summoning a demon,chanted, "PC keyboard interface": > Whilst we're talking about PICs, I did make and (I think - it > was quite a while ago) get working a PC keyboard interface for > the SAM - totally hardware, so it's compatible with all software. > It used a PIC16c84 and a few other chips. I haven't touched it in ages, > but if anyone's interested then I might get off my arse and > esign a PCB. Any thoughts? > > Andy > > Hello Andy, Yes i have to say that's a good idea(makes putting a Sam in a tower a lot easier. I've always wanted to put my Sam in a tower but the one thing that stopped me from doing it was the keyboard. Let me know how you get on. -- Some people hope to achieve immortality through their works or their children. I would prefer to achieve it by not dying. -- Woody Allen cheers Peter Harkess From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 6 20:50:31 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <80256658.0044DEE3.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> from "Justin_Skists@case.co.uk" at Aug 6, 98 01:52:24 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 20:47:44 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: SRAM X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1337 Lines: 35 At 2:32 pm +0100 6/8/98, Andrew Gale wrote: >The assembler is dead easy too - you type the pic program in >as a BASIC program, and each PIC instruction is a BASIC procedure >- it's a little slow, but it's fine for the short programs most >PICs are used for. ... >Still, it's a lovely tool, and once you get used to it, it's quite a >bit more flexible than a standard assembler - for example, you can >create an 80 cycle delay with: FOR i=1 TO 20 : nop : NEXT i >and an 18-entry sine wave look-up table with: >FOR i=0 TO 17 : retlw SIN(i*20*6.28/360) : NEXT i > >Simple! Hmmm, sounds suspiciously similar to BIAS[1], a program which Ian wrote for the Spectrum way back when. I believe he once mentioned possibly starting to think about perhaps maybe writing a Sam version one day in the remote future.... Andrew [1] Basic Integrated Assembler System. Or something. -- +----------------+-----------------------------+----------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | to a fool | +----------------+-----------------------------+ and he calls | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | you foolish | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | -- Euripides | +----------------------------------------------+----------------+ From imc Thu Aug 6 21:03:06 1998 Subject: Re: SRAM In-Reply-To: from Andrew Collier at "Aug 6, 98 08:47:44 pm" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 21:03:06 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 857 Lines: 23 On Thu, 6 Aug 1998 20:47:44 +0100, Andrew Collier said: > Hmmm, sounds suspiciously similar to BIAS[1], a program which Ian wrote for > the Spectrum way back when. > I believe he once mentioned possibly starting to think about perhaps maybe > writing a Sam version one day in the remote future.... That's right, I did. I even did a test run and made a mini-assembler. Features and benefits: This assembler correctly assembles instructions of the form "ld r,r" by printing their opcodes on the screen. The instructions are tokenised and syntax checked on entry and a special token storage system makes the assembly easier and thus faster. Bugs: The assembler is compiled to load in at 16384 so it is incompatible with programs which use the system heap. The assembler is incompatible with procedures whose names begin with the letter L. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 6 22:47:06 1998 From: nevilley@nfy53.demon.co.uk (Nev young) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: PC keyboard interface Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 21:43:48 GMT Organization: nfy53 Message-ID: <35d11de0.12655057@post.demon.co.uk> References: <80256658.00689BEB.00@osiris.postmaster.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <80256658.00689BEB.00@osiris.postmaster.co.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 227 Lines: 9 On Thu, 6 Aug 1998 20:02:38 +0100, you or Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk wrote: > >Both Bob and Nev have a good PCB design package from what I hear. it's the same one that you have :-) sorry I'm a bit too piised tro be sinsibl;e From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 6 23:44:52 1998 From: Paul Walker Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 23:37:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Letter X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 3748 Lines: 77 Hi All, Warning - this is fairly long. --- Dear Editor, Here are some thoughts on SAMson. In one way they are a bit depressing, but there is a happy ending. I started making a wish list, of things like instant Spectrum emulation, a real serial interface so I can plug in a modem and get online, built-in mouse circuitry and so on; and then I realised I was simply describing a typical PC running Z80em. The only difference was SAM compatibility. So I thought, which is easier, to re-engineer SAM or to write a SAM emulator for the PC? Which is cheaper, a SAM surrounded by a forest of adapter circuits for hard discs, modems, mice and the like, or a PC which uses them all in their native form? If SAM became just a software product, could it do more than gently fossilize the way the Spectrum has? My thoughts turned to my Psion Series 5 pocket computer (on which I am writing this letter). Besides having its own Spectrum emulator (of which more another time, Bob), it has a programming language, called OPL, which is rather like a structured Basic. As a SAM user I was surprised how familiar it looked. Just no line numbers any more. Far easier for me than the curly-bracket jungle of the recent 'C' articles in FORMAT or of JAVA. The point I am making is that, if OPL can be a respectable programming language, SAM Basic can too. Indeed, I use it for original research into polyhedra (crystal-shaped solids). I am sure that, with careful thought, SAM Basic could be developed into a useful programming language. But it will need a wider market than the SAM hardware to be worth the effort. After all, even if West Coast do develop some nice add-ons, who would ever buy a redesigned SAM? We old lags will just want to replace our old Coupes so we can reuse all our existing add-ons, and what new user would shell out for a hard disc-ed, online, mega- sound SAMson when a better-spec'd PC can be had for less? Do you remember the Amstra PCW and Locoscript? Locomotive software are still going with a respectable turnover, selling new and refurbished PCs with Locoscript PC pre-installed - and to a market not a million miles from SAM's own. You know, I'd buy one with SAM PC pre-installed. Yours sincerely, Guy Inchbald. == There is already an excellent SAM emulator on the PC called SIMCoupe which I hope we can do a full review of soon. However, there is nothing quite like the real thing, so I hope to see SAM hardware continue for a good few years to come. I agree that a PC Basic, based on SAM Basic, which is of coursed based on Spectrum Basic, would be a nice idea - the big question is /who could write it?/ Personally, just getting a few people together to help sort out SAM's ROM and DOS is a hard enough task -it seems that there are still too many people whose main interest is coding stupid scrolly demos which serve no purpose other than to inflate there [sic] own egos for five minutes. I've said it before, and no doubt I'll say it again, if just 10% of the talent in the SAM world was capable of being properly managed on professionally formulated projects, then the SAM world would have software and hardware coming out of its ears. As to the question "would a new SAM sell?" Well I think the answer is yes. I think there will always be a market for a nice friendly machine like SAM. /Ed./ --- (Source: Format June 1998; copyright Format Publications and Guy Inchbald) So, there you have it. Personally, I think Bob's living on cloud cuckoo land, but that's just IMO of course. Paul -- ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ---- FidoNet: 2:254/211.44 2:442/103.13 ---> http://www.craybbs.co.uk/foti <--- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 7 01:27:07 1998 From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Letter Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 00:19:59 GMT Message-ID: <35cc3f1c.26181234@mail.enterprise.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 965 Lines: 30 On Thu, 6 Aug 1998 23:37:00 +0100, Paul Walker wrote:
>So, there you have it. Personally, I think Bob's living on cloud cuckoo >land, but that's just IMO of course. And mine too. It's pretty amazing to think that format readers are still waiting for a review of SIM Coupe. There ain't a cat in hells chance of a new SAM ever. Readers will no doubt be strung along until the year 2039 though. :-) IMO. there's bugger-all wrong with emulation. SIM Coupe has a working hard drive. SIM Coupe doesn't need a mouse interface. SIM Coupe has external memory (just try and buy some for a real one). SIM Coupe can do /most/ things a real SAM can. More power to the emulators. 'nothing like a real SAM' - yeah, nothing like all the shit you face if your drive goes down... a PC drive = about a tenner.. How much for a SAM drive, eh? eh? Phew.. I seem to be blowing a gasket or something.. better calm down, eh? :-) Bye, Dave Bye, Dave Whitmore From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 7 07:12:42 1998 Message-ID: <19980807060247.16735.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.30.67.52] From: Simon Cooke To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Letter Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 23:02:46 PDT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2605 Lines: 49 > I agree that a PC Basic, based on SAM Basic, which is of >coursed based on Spectrum Basic, would be a nice idea - the big >question is /who could write it?/ Personally, just getting a few people >together to help sort out SAM's ROM and DOS is a hard enough >task -it seems that there are still too many people whose main >interest is coding stupid scrolly demos which serve no purpose other >than to inflate there [sic] own egos for five minutes. I've said it >before, and no doubt I'll say it again, if just 10% of the talent in the >SAM world was capable of being properly managed on >professionally formulated projects, then the SAM world would have >software and hardware coming out of its ears. The problem with this, of course, is that a lot of these programmers *are* being properly managed on professionally formulated projects. It's just that when they've finished working on them, they're too knackered to do anything SAM-wise. All of the people who wrote the stupid scrolly demos when they were 15 are now at University, in full time work, self employed, have families, or any of a whole menagerie of different situation and time-sucking activities. It doesn't leave much time for lil' ol' SAM. BTW: I have now learned how to program Windows software, so the Assembler should be back on track. For the past week I've been working on a motor and laser controller system for steel-sheet width and shape tolerance control, with real-time (well, 50 frames/second - I wonder where that came from) display of the cross section of the sheet and a plan view as it goes through the sensor system. (For steel mills, no less). Today I wrote my own scripting language for that system, which I'm quite happy about. It's pared down to a minimum so that it doesn't require much processing, so we're talking 1 and 2 letter commands. It works quite well, and is multithreaded - as is all of the comms stuff. So now I'm quite happy that I should be able to get somewhere with the assembler editor at the very least. The actual assembler itself is annoying me, as I keep trying to do all the flashy stuff rather than starting at the beginning and continuing to the end. (Which means I've got plenty of design done, and not much actual code to show for it). If anyone has any good pointers on linking assemblers, especially for paged memory architectures, or if you can point me in the direction of a good book on the subject, can you let me know? Thanks, Simon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 7 07:12:54 1998 Message-ID: <19980807060608.13291.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.30.67.52] From: Simon Cooke To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Community Service Announcement (was Re: Letter) Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 23:06:08 PDT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 752 Lines: 23 >'nothing like a real SAM' - yeah, nothing like all the shit you face >if your drive goes down... a PC drive = about a tenner.. How much for >a SAM drive, eh? eh? Phew.. I seem to be blowing a gasket or >something.. better calm down, eh? :-) > >Bye, > >Dave Just out of interest, the most common form of SAM drive failure I know of is the stepper motor (at least for the slimlines, though the same pattern seems to be followed by most drives). Solution? Open up the stepper motor and blow the dust and fluff off the stepper gear. It should then work nicely. I fixed my SAM drive that way; it wasn't reading tracks from 70 up. Simon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 7 07:20:48 1998 Message-ID: <19980807061633.8496.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.30.67.52] From: Simon Cooke To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Format Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 23:16:33 PDT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 309 Lines: 13 >From: "Robert van der Veeke" >Lets say that Stonehenge moves faster than the Samson :) Probably because of the monolithic design. Anyone noticed how they hid the prototype in the woods? Simon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 7 07:41:29 1998 Message-Id: <199808070634.IAA05295@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: PC keyboard interface Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 08:34:36 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 489 Lines: 18 > Van: Nev young > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Onderwerp: Re: PC keyboard interface > Datum: Thursday, August 06, 1998 11:43 > >Both Bob and Nev have a good PCB design package from what I hear. > > it's the same one that you have :-) > > sorry I'm a bit too piised tro be sinsibl;e > SO HOW IS YOUR HANGOVER NEV? Fnar -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Mind you if we call you "Bruce", it might otherwise cause some confusion. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 7 22:08:37 1998 Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 17:00:02 -0400 From: Gordon Wallis <101762.2062@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Letter To: "INTERNET:sam-users@nvg.unit.no" Message-ID: <199808071700_MC2-5578-24E8@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1134 Lines: 25 Message text written by INTERNET:sam-users@nvg.unit.no >I've said it >before, and no doubt I'll say it again, if just 10% of the talent in the >SAM world was capable of being properly managed on >professionally formulated projects, then the SAM world would have >software and hardware coming out of its ears. The problem with this, of course, is that a lot of these programmers *are* being properly managed on professionally formulated projects. It's just that when they've finished working on them, they're too knackered to do anything SAM-wise. < I would also humbly suggest that those who have time to become involved in these *cough* "properly managed, professionally formulated projects" of which Bob speaks do not like to go unrewarded for their efforts. Does anyone know of anyone who *has* been payed for any software/hardware project on the Sam. Noone ever mentions them to me...only the irate, betrayed and violated few that don't get shit. If you'll pardon my language. And exactly what does he mean when he says "...*capable* of being properly managed..."? Are we all hyperactive, authority hating sociopaths? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 8 11:57:32 1998 From: "stefan.drissen" Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 12:45:54 +0200 Subject: Re: Letter - economic reality To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Message-id: <8025665A.003B4442.00@intleursmtp10.uk.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L NL@C&L INT@INTL X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1801 Lines: 37 Gordon Wallis wrote: >I would also humbly suggest that those who have time to become involved in >these *cough* "properly managed, professionally formulated projects" of >which Bob speaks do not like to go unrewarded for their efforts. Does >anyone know of anyone who *has* been payed for any software/hardware >project on the Sam. Noone ever mentions them to me...only the irate, >betrayed and violated few that don't get shit. Okay, I'll spill the beans... my professionally formulated project of Sophistry earned me a total of 150 quid - I thought it would be a nice idea to give Robert van der Veeke some cash for doing the graphics (this came out of the 150 quid) since I was the only one with a "contract". An unprofessionaly formulated project aka the SAM MOD player earned me twice the amount that the professionally formulated project did (IIRC). In both cases it was bugger all - probably equivalent to a wage of about 50 pence an hour. But I was only doing it for the fun of it all, the reward being a massive ego-trip.. ;-) But then that can be achieved by a simple scrolly as well... although a simply scrolly won't always get you the "god of code" status :-) Well, that's my 450 quid's worth.... Stefan "who's hourly rate has increased one hundred fold" Drissen ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 8 15:20:11 1998 Message-ID: <19980808141304.19962.qmail@thanatos.clara.net> From: David Ledbury To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Format X-Sender: persona@clara.net X-Mailer: ClaraNet WWW E-Mail Client Date: Sat, 8 Aug 98 15:13:04 BST X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 414 Lines: 11 > > Ooh.. Is the new issue of Format out then? Will it be on my doorstep > > waiting for me at home? it sounds like I should read it this time > > (rather than stick it in my draw with the others) > > New issue is out, and arrived here this morning. That's in the letters > section, answering (IIRC) Guy Inchbald. > > Paul Wasn't Guy the chap who Alan Miles made acting Educational Representative for SAMCo...? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 8 20:29:10 1998 From: Paul Walker Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 20:25:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Format Message-ID: In-reply-to: <19980808141304.19962.qmail@thanatos.clara.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) X-Hops: 1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 465 Lines: 11 > > New issue is out, and arrived here this morning. That's in the letters > > section, answering (IIRC) Guy Inchbald. > Wasn't Guy the chap who Alan Miles made acting Educational Representative for SAMCo...? Possibly. I just remember him for writing a version of Go for SAM. :) Paul -- ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ---- FidoNet: 2:254/211.44 2:442/103.13 ---> http://www.craybbs.co.uk/foti <--- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 8 20:45:45 1998 From: Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk X-Lotus-FromDomain: POSTMASTER To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <8025665A.006C6354.00@osiris.postmaster.co.uk> Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 20:43:55 +0100 Subject: Re: Letter Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 494 Lines: 19 [cut] | | 'nothing like a real SAM' - yeah, nothing like all the shit you face | if your drive goes down... a PC drive = about a tenner.. How much for | a SAM drive, eh? eh? Phew.. I seem to be blowing a gasket or | something.. better calm down, eh? :-) Sam drive prices are the same as the PC Dave, cos they are PC drives now. -- Samsboss - The One And Only. Accept No Others. ___________________________________ To sign up for a free email account, visit http://www.postmaster.co.uk. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 8 20:51:39 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: POSTMASTER From: Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <8025665A.006CC0FD.00@osiris.postmaster.co.uk> Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 20:47:55 +0100 Subject: Re: Format Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 500 Lines: 22 | > > New issue is out, and arrived here this morning. That's in the letters | > > section, answering (IIRC) Guy Inchbald. | > Wasn't Guy the chap who Alan Miles made acting Educational Representative for | SAMCo...? | | Possibly. I just remember him for writing a version of Go for SAM. :) | And don't forget the JoyPad, that was his. -- Samsboss - The One And Only. Accept No Others. ___________________________________ To sign up for a free email account, visit http://www.postmaster.co.uk. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 9 10:39:30 1998 From: Dean Liversidge To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 10:36:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Letter In-reply-to: <8025665A.006C6354.00@osiris.postmaster.co.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 703 Lines: 21 From: Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk > [cut] > | > | 'nothing like a real SAM' - yeah, nothing like all the shit you face > | if your drive goes down... a PC drive = about a tenner.. How much for > | a SAM drive, eh? eh? Phew.. I seem to be blowing a gasket or > | something.. better calm down, eh? :-) > > Sam drive prices are the same as the PC Dave, cos they are PC drives now. Yeah, but you still need the 30 quid or whatever interface to connect it. If they'd have put one controller on board and write the dos properly to run both drives from it in the first place, people could have just bought PC drives in the first place and saved a hell of a lot of money. -- Dean Liversidge From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 9 11:09:31 1998 Message-Id: <199808091002.MAA05321@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: Letter Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 11:59:24 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1277 Lines: 30 > Van: Paul Walker > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Onderwerp: Letter > Datum: Friday, August 07, 1998 12:37 > I agree that a PC Basic, based on SAM Basic, which is of > coursed based on Spectrum Basic, would be a nice idea - the big > question is /who could write it?/ Personally, just getting a few people > together to help sort out SAM's ROM and DOS is a hard enough > task -it seems that there are still too many people whose main > interest is coding stupid scrolly demos which serve no purpose other > than to inflate there [sic] own egos for five minutes. I've said it > before, and no doubt I'll say it again, if just 10% of the talent in the > SAM world was capable of being properly managed on > professionally formulated projects, then the SAM world would have > software and hardware coming out of its ears. Off course the ATOM and BDos does not count, by so far the best thing that is released for the Sam this year. > As to the question "would a new SAM sell?" Well I think the > answer is yes. I think there will always be a market for a nice > friendly machine like SAM. /Ed./ Pass me the bucket please. -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Currently listening to : Manatsu no eve - OST From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 9 19:28:16 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: <41e3f1d7.35cde7c9@aol.com> Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 14:17:44 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Letter Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows sub 178 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 693 Lines: 19 In a message dated 09/08/98 09:36:28, you write: > > Sam drive prices are the same as the PC Dave, cos they are PC drives now. > > Yeah, but you still need the 30 quid or whatever interface to connect > it. > > If they'd have put one controller on board and write the dos properly > to run both drives from it in the first place, people could have just > bought PC drives in the first place and saved a hell of a lot of money. > I must admit I can't find it as the files are not on my hard drive anymore, but I seem to remember that the subject of using a single controller was raised some time back. And the feeling then was against it. Did I read the archive wrong? Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 9 19:55:24 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <41e3f1d7.35cde7c9@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 19:52:54 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Letter X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1493 Lines: 38 At 7:17 pm +0100 9/8/98, wrote: >In a message dated 09/08/98 09:36:28, you write: > >> > Sam drive prices are the same as the PC Dave, cos they are PC drives now. >> >> Yeah, but you still need the 30 quid or whatever interface to connect >> it. >> >> If they'd have put one controller on board and write the dos properly >> to run both drives from it in the first place, people could have just >> bought PC drives in the first place and saved a hell of a lot of money. >> > >I must admit I can't find it as the files are not on my hard drive anymore, >but I seem to remember that the subject of using a single controller was >raised some time back. And the feeling then was against it. > >Did I read the archive wrong? Changing new Sams (at this stage) to use a single controller would be bad because existing software might break, if it expected the second controller to be present. But if the Sam had been designed that way from the beginning, it could be an entirely different story. Andrew -- +----------------+-----------------------------+----------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | to a fool | +----------------+-----------------------------+ and he calls | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | you foolish | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | -- Euripides | +----------------------------------------------+----------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 9 20:20:43 1998 From: BillRitman Message-ID: <30116e68.35cdf55d@aol.com> Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 15:15:40 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Letter Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows sub 178 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 472 Lines: 17 In a message dated 09/08/98 18:53:39, you write: > > Changing new Sams (at this stage) to use a single controller would be bad > because existing software might break, if it expected the second controller > to be present. > > But if the Sam had been designed that way from the beginning, it could be > an entirely different story. > > Andrew Ah! I see what was being got at. So. Why did they have two controllers then? There must have been a reason. Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 9 23:36:08 1998 From: Dean Liversidge To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 23:12:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Letter In-reply-to: <30116e68.35cdf55d@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 684 Lines: 26 From: > In a message dated 09/08/98 18:53:39, you write: > > > > > Changing new Sams (at this stage) to use a single controller would be bad > > because existing software might break, if it expected the second controller > > to be present. > > > > But if the Sam had been designed that way from the beginning, it could be > > an entirely different story. > > > > Andrew > > Ah! I see what was being got at. > > So. Why did they have two controllers then? There must have been a reason. > Bill. Erm, nope, nothing sensible i believe, not that i know of, but it did fill the internal drive cases !, enter BB..... -- Dean Liversidge From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 10 11:25:55 1998 Message-ID: <35CEC9E7.917@ee.surrey.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:22:31 +0100 From: Andrew Gale Organization: University of Surrey, Guildford, England X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Letter References: <30116e68.35cdf55d@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 962 Lines: 23 > So. Why did they have two controllers then? There must have been a reason. > > Bill. Well, I guess the idea was that some SAMs would be used with a tape player and hence there was no point putting the controller on board, and that it was easier to have a controller in each drive making them easy plug-in-and-go devices. If they had left a socket for the controller on-board then we would have to do a BBC-B style installation - open the case, insert a chip without bending the pins, close the case (re-connecting those bloody awkward keyboard connectors!) and *then* simple slot in the drive! Not so easy, methinks. Anyway, if I'm guessing right about how the Atom works, having the controller on the motherboard would mean the second drive port couldn't be used to control a hard-drive. Can I just ask - if the DOS and existing software doesn't work with the two drives from one controller set up, how do users of the two-drive SAM Elite manage? Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 10 13:35:37 1998 Subject: HD drive mod To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:31:54 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Gale X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 221 Lines: 8 Can anyone tell me what the mod is to get a HD drive to work with the VL1772 controller ? Is it simply a case of holding the write current pin permanently low (or permanently high - can't remember which) ? Cheers, Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 10 14:03:39 1998 Message-ID: <19980810130033.28005.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [207.220.173.10] From: Simon Cooke To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Letter Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 06:00:32 PDT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 591 Lines: 20 >> So. Why did they have two controllers then? There must have been a reason. >> Bill. > > >Erm, nope, nothing sensible i believe, not that i know of, but it did >fill the internal drive cases !, enter BB..... Uhh... they were very cheap controllers so adding one to each drive meant you could detect if you had one or two drives incredibly easily? So that if someone one day added DMA to the SAM, you could interleave disk accesses from each drive? To confuse people? Si ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 10 23:21:15 1998 Message-ID: <8s5lZBA5E3z1IwYP@idalziel.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 23:16:25 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Ian Dalziel Subject: Re: PC keyboard interface In-Reply-To: <199808070634.IAA05295@mailserv.caiw.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.04 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 286 Lines: 12 In article <199808070634.IAA05295@mailserv.caiw.nl>, Robert van der Veeke writes >> >> sorry I'm a bit too piised tro be sinsibl;e >> >SO HOW IS YOUR HANGOVER NEV? > Give it time - he'll have to sober up before he gets a hangover... -- Ian Dalziel From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 11 00:07:10 1998 From: nevilley@nfy53.demon.co.uk (Nev Young) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: PC keyboard interface Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 23:05:53 GMT Organization: nfy53 Message-ID: <35d07caa.13738047@post.demon.co.uk> References: <8s5lZBA5E3z1IwYP@idalziel.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8s5lZBA5E3z1IwYP@idalziel.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 577 Lines: 22 On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 23:16:25 +0100, Ian Dalziel wrote: > In article <199808070634.IAA05295@mailserv.caiw.nl>, Robert van der > Veeke writes > >> > >> sorry I'm a bit too piised tro be sinsibl;e > >> > >SO HOW IS YOUR HANGOVER NEV? > > > > Give it time - he'll have to sober up before he gets a hangover... > sober up ?!?!?! what type of pervert are you Ian ? -- Nev - no longer at nevilley@ndirect.co.uk and getting no spam at all (yet) Webpage under construction at www,nfy53,demon,co,uk also hiding on ICQ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 14 08:33:27 1998 From: "E.P.R.P. Blink" Organization: Hanzehogeschool Groningen To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 09:26:30 MET Subject: Re: reset--disk corrupt problem; where to find info on Atom X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <5E33DC112AF@mail1.pl.hanze.nl> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1240 Lines: 38 Ah finally I can read my mail again. Couldn'tb read it for the last three weeks due to network renovation and maintenance. Hope I didn't miss anything send to me. >BTW: The DPU is an 8MHz clock crystal, with an XOR gate (I think - >could be a NAND, its been a while) acting in its non-linear mode to >generate the clock pulses. It's three INVerters instead of XOR gate. >Circuit diagram? Or was Dean's one the one? I made a gif picture of my DPU. Is it allowed to send it to list ? Some additional info: SAM drive with amber LED is a normal 800K drive SAM drive with a red LED is a 1.44M drive The drive led of the 1.44 drive stays on because of a disk controllor flaw. Drive LED burns whenever the the MOTOR ON signal is active. The FDC turn it off after a number of index pulses have passed. When no floppy is inserted the drive doesn't produce index pulses. Once a disk is inserted the FDC can count the index pulses and the LED goes off. On a 800K drives the LED only burns when the motor on signal is active and a disk is inserted. FDC Command &D0 (Forced interrupt, terminates any command in progress). This Command is used at the start of most disk routines to check if theres a disk in the drive. Edwin Blink. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 14 09:16:12 1998 Message-Id: <199808140813.KAA21784@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: reset--disk corrupt problem; where to find info on Atom Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:11:17 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 486 Lines: 16 > Van: E.P.R.P. Blink > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Onderwerp: Re: reset--disk corrupt problem; where to find info on Atom > Datum: Friday, August 14, 1998 11:26 > I made a gif picture of my DPU. Is it allowed to send it to list ? Err. no. No binaries on this list (made the mistake once myself, very long time ago). Hi Edwin, long time no see -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Currently listening to : Manatsu no eve - OST From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 14 09:48:04 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <80256660.003095AE.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 09:51:11 +0100 Subject: Re: reset--disk corrupt problem; where to find info on Atom Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 151 Lines: 8 >I made a gif picture of my DPU. Is it allowed to send it to list ? Probably not allowed on the list, but could you send me one personally? Justin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 15 00:20:11 1998 From: Dean Liversidge To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 23:28:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Letter In-reply-to: <35CEC9E7.917@ee.surrey.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 690 Lines: 23 From: Andrew Gale > > Can I just ask - if the DOS and existing software doesn't work > with the two drives from one controller set up, how do users > of the two-drive SAM Elite manage? > > Andy I beleive that the new models can run from one, i think the Dos has bee modified. I'm sure BB with tell us the truth. On the subject of model differences, have develpoers got a record of the different model variations and Dos changes etc. so that software can be written to cope with it all, i remember some 256K programs having trouble with the 512K model, i know the software wasnt written 'correctly' but it still happens. -- Dean Liversidge From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 15 11:46:36 1998 Message-Id: From: Dan Doore Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 11:38:47 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: RE: Letter MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /310000000/310102093/310102123/310460310/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 101" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 604 Lines: 17 > So. Why did they have two controllers then? There must have > been a reason. I was reading an old issue of Format, where on Nev's Help Page there was a question about getting the error 'FORMAT DATA LOST' when copying between two drives on the Disciple/PlusD, and this was due to the (single) disc controller getting out of sync. It was mentioned that Sam does not suffer from this because it uses two. Nev might be able to shed more light on the matter, since he wrote the article :-) Dan. Work: dan@armature.com Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 15 11:46:52 1998 Message-Id: From: Dan Doore Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 11:40:50 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: RE: reset--disk corrupt problem; where t MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /310000000/310102093/310102123/310460310/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 101" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 334 Lines: 12 > I made a gif picture of my DPU. Is it allowed to send it to list ? As good ol' Brian would say POST NO BINARIES! :-) Can you plonk it on the Web/FTP somewhere - or send it to me and I'll pop it up on my site for people to grab. Dan. Work: dan@armature.com Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 15 11:55:00 1998 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 11:15:39 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Dave Subject: Re: reset--disk corrupt problem; where to find info on Atom In-Reply-To: <80256660.003095AE.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 3.05 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 177 Lines: 10 >>I made a gif picture of my DPU. Is it allowed to send it to list ? > >Probably not allowed on the list, but could you send me one >personally? > >Justin .. and me? -- Dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 15 18:35:29 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 18:21:23 +0100 To: "Sam users' mailing list" From: Andrew Collier Subject: Long overdue X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1590 Lines: 41 Has anyone ever noticed how so many mailing lists (and IRC channels and newsgroups etc) have a web page? You know the sort of thing; a short introduction to the subject matter, and a list of some of the regular posters... This is something that sam-users has been missing..... until now? Please point your browsers towards: http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/computers/samusers.html If anyone has any comments, or information you think should be added, please email it to me ASAP. Of course, the number of people listed on the page is seriously deficient at the moment, so I'd like you all to send me an email (er. thats one email each.... not all of you sending one email in total) with: - your name - your email address - any URLs you want to be linked - a short paragraph or two about yourself (subject to editorial discretion) - (as an attachment) a picture of yourself, preferably 100x100 pixels. If you don't have access to a scanner, maybe you could send me a photo by snail-mail, and I'll scan it in. Hopefully this will become quite a useful resource, if you all participate properly and help me build it. Andrew -- +----------------+-----------------------------+----------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | to a fool | +----------------+-----------------------------+ and he calls | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | you foolish | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | -- Euripides | +----------------------------------------------+----------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 15 18:35:29 1998 From: nevilley@nfy53.demon.co.uk (Nev young) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Letter Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 17:23:56 GMT Organization: nfy53 Message-ID: <35d5c34e.14691170@post.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1248 Lines: 33 On Sat, 15 Aug 1998 11:38:47 +0000, you or Dan Doore wrote: >> So. Why did they have two controllers then? There must have >> been a reason. > >I was reading an old issue of Format, where on Nev's Help Page there was >a question about getting the error 'FORMAT DATA LOST' when copying >between two drives on the Disciple/PlusD, and this was due to the >(single) disc controller getting out of sync. It was mentioned that Sam >does not suffer from this because it uses two. > >Nev might be able to shed more light on the matter, since he wrote the >article :-) > Yup, the problem is/was that with only one controler the 1772 internal registers for track/sector etc get updated from data held on the disk. As you switch from drive to drive the registers get out of sync and the 1772 thinks you should be on one track when you are in fact on another. This problem was fixed in unidos (remember that ?) by always restoring the registers from memory when ever the drive was switched. Sam could do exactly the same but it never was as the dos for sam was derrived from gdos rather than unidos and so did not save/restore the internal registerd. hth Nev's help pages eh ? that was a long time ago in another life. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 16 12:05:22 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: POSTMASTER From: Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <80256662.003C8655.00@osiris.postmaster.co.uk> Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 12:01:08 +0100 Subject: Re: Letter Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 651 Lines: 26 | | Can I just ask - if the DOS and existing software doesn't work | with the two drives from one controller set up, how do users | of the two-drive SAM Elite manage? | | Andy ISTR that when West Coast put forward the idea that an Elite with only one controller was going to be produced, it was pointed out that certain software would not work (I assume because the software was accessing the controller direct) so the idea was dropped. 'bout time we had a new disk contoller anyway. -- Samsboss - The One And Only. Accept No Others. ___________________________________ To sign up for a free email account, visit http://www.postmaster.co.uk. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 16 13:27:11 1998 Message-Id: <199808161223.OAA00650@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: Letter Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 14:17:57 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 569 Lines: 21 > Van: Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Onderwerp: Re: Letter > Datum: Sunday, August 16, 1998 1:01 > ISTR that when West Coast put forward the idea that an Elite with only one > controller was going to be produced, it was pointed out that certain > software > would not work (I assume because the software was accessing the controller > direct) so the idea was dropped. A wild guess, this software was it perhaps Samdos/Masterdos? -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Currently listening to : Manatsu no eve - OST From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 17 14:30:22 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <80256663.0049C153.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 14:26:44 +0100 Subject: Off topic, sorry. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 219 Lines: 12 Hi. I remember someone pointing to a web page that gave "proof" that Bob was Samsboss, etc... Can someone point me to that address again, coz I'm trying to help a friend search for someone. Cheers, thanks. Justin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 17 14:49:48 1998 From: Matthew Craven Organization: Umist To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 14:43:10 BST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: OW2 In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 385 Lines: 14 > Ore Warz 2 will be available from > as soon as Netcom get thier act together. Please feel free to copy it, > stick it on your own webpages etc. > > If anyone designs their own levels, I'd love to see them! > > Will. Hi, I just tried to look at your page, and it called up some funny "secure document" or something. What's going on? MJC. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 18 10:46:35 1998 Message-ID: From: William McGugan To: "'sam-users@nvg.unit.no'" Subject: RE: OW2 Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:47:47 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.837.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 689 Lines: 28 For some bizaar reason the filename has to be in lower case. should work just fine. Enjoy. Will. >---------- >From: Matthew Craven[SMTP:mcbi6mc2@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk] >Sent: 17 August 1998 15:43 >To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no >Subject: Re: OW2 > >> Ore Warz 2 will be available from >> as soon as Netcom get thier act together. Please feel free to copy it, >> stick it on your own webpages etc. >> >> If anyone designs their own levels, I'd love to see them! >> >> Will. > >Hi, > >I just tried to look at your page, and it called up some funny >"secure document" or something. What's going on? > >MJC. > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 18 20:19:00 1998 Message-ID: <19980818191443.29575.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [205.186.65.48] From: Simon Cooke To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: SIM Coupe for Windows? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:14:43 PDT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1254 Lines: 33 Well, folks, I've started working on a port of SIM Coupe to Windows 95. As far as I can see, there may be some scope for some more optimisation on the graphics side; giving the system a memory and a bit of intelligence so that mode switching is faster, things like that. Also, the main reason for this is to build in some debugging code and logic so that I can work it into my assembler system :) I may be putting in some code to route Comms ports through to the PC port as well, which may give me an easy route to finish off Termite. Windows NT will support direct-disk access under the program; this should work on all Windows NT boxes (unless the controller chips don't like 10 sector-per-track disks). I'm also looking for ideas as to what utility features people would like. The dialog boxes are nearly all done; I'm planning on putting IDE emulation to a file in there, as well as MultiROM emulation (fat use that'll be). Eventually, my plan is to come up with a multi-CPU development system. So people will be able to develop everything from SAM to C64 software on it. Ideas? Views? btw: the icons are done too ;) Simon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 18 21:55:14 1998 Message-Id: From: Dan Doore Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:47:07 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: RE: SIM Coupe for Windows? MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /310000000/310102093/310102123/310460310/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 101" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 97 Lines: 7 > Ideas? Views? Only that you can bear my children if I can run SimCoupe on NT 4.0 :-) Dan. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 18 23:02:50 1998 Message-ID: <19980818215829.18720.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.30.67.122] From: Simon Cooke To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: RE: SIM Coupe for Windows? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:58:29 PDT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 344 Lines: 15 >> Ideas? Views? > >Only that you can bear my children if I can run SimCoupe on NT 4.0 > >:-) I'll see what I can do ;) Sound might be DirectSound only though -- I've not decided yet. You'll be able to disable it though :) Simon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 19 12:11:33 1998 Message-Id: From: Dan Doore Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:01:00 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: RE: SIM Coupe for Windows? MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /310000000/310102093/310102123/310460310/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 101" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 211 Lines: 7 > I'm also looking for ideas as to what utility features people would like. One thing I would like to see is support for the Atom/BDOS by viewing a DOS/NTFS directory of DSK's as the file system... D. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 19 13:24:40 1998 Message-ID: <7zzuXAAWHr21EwJi@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:07:02 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: SIM Coupe for Windows? In-Reply-To: <19980818215829.18720.qmail@hotmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 <8OHKkEUpoELRXgFKFsA4hwDBr8> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id NAA17740 Status: RO Content-Length: 1090 Lines: 30 In message <19980818215829.18720.qmail@hotmail.com>, Simon Cooke writes >>> Ideas? Views? >> >>Only that you can bear my children if I can run SimCoupe on NT 4.0 >> >>:-) > >I'll see what I can do ;) > >Sound might be DirectSound only though -- I've not decided yet. You'll >be able to disable it though :) If you manage to get good SAM Coupé sound under W95 what's that chance of some nice peep writing a W95 E-Tune decoder and player? I'll gladly compile tunes for any such venture... Graham -- /=====================================================================\ | If you'd like to see a game with the depth of gameplay of Elite and | | Frontier on the PlayStation, then please sign the petition by | | sending a mail headed "Elite/Frontier Petition", including your | | FULL name and E-Mail address to: petition@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk | \===========Or do you *really* want another Wing Commander?===========/ Oh crap! Someone's stolen the vowels from my domain name! ------------Lucky I have some spares: u e a o------------ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 19 14:22:06 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <80256665.002E8E79.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:22:03 +0100 Subject: What no bits?!?!? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1148 Lines: 29 I finally got around to start work on my hardware development/experimentation/extension card for my wonderful SAM. I designed the address logic for the main card and its first daughter board. Went to my local Maplins and got the little NAND and OR chips. I had to order the connectors since they never had them in stock. So, I waited patiently until yesterday for my little parcel to arrive on my doormat. I asked for one nice 64 pin (96way) euro-connector for my SAM and one set of nice 32 pin (64way) euro-connectors for the cute little daughter boards. What I got was one 32pin male connector and the invoice saying the other two items were........... wait for it...............DISCONTINUED?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??! Huh? How the hell am I supposed to play with hardware on my SAM if those wonderful standard euroconnectors that you NEED for the SAM are discontinued?!?? Ok. I'm assuming that it's just that Maplin's have stopped selling them for some strange reason. And not because there is a world-wide ban on the things. So, I was wondering if anyone knew of a supplier of these items that don't ask for a 35 quid minimum order... Justin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 19 14:38:41 1998 From: "E.P.R.P. Blink" Organization: Hanzehogeschool Groningen To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:32:07 MET Subject: Re: What no bits?!?!? X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <6615AB419F0@mail1.pl.hanze.nl> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 308 Lines: 12 > So, I was wondering if anyone knew of a supplier of these items > that don't ask for a 35 quid minimum order... How many males/females you need ??? I've got quite some of them males (most of them 90 degrees bended pins on all rows A,B,C) How about approx. 50p a piece (plus postage) ? Edwin Blink From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 19 15:40:17 1998 Subject: Re: What no bits?!?!? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:35:06 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <80256665.002E8E79.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> from "Justin_Skists@case.co.uk" at Aug 19, 98 02:22:03 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Gale X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 591 Lines: 16 > So, I was wondering if anyone knew of a supplier of these items > that don't ask for a 35 quid minimum order... > > Edwin's already offered you some, but just for the future, you might like to give Electrovalue a try - they're very reasonable, no minimum order value, and they usually despatch things on the same day they get the order...... they don't have everything, but for standard LS chips, connectors, holders, and v. cheap stripboard, they're excellent. I think postage is about a quid. I'll dig their address out - and no, I don't have shares in them, despite my raving! Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 19 17:43:14 1998 From: nevilley@nfy53.demon.co.uk (Nev Young) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: What no bits?!?!? Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:37:27 GMT Organization: nfy53 Message-ID: <35dcfc67.18144734@post.demon.co.uk> References: <80256665.002E8E79.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <80256665.002E8E79.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 263 Lines: 13 On Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:22:03 +0100, you or Justin_Skists@case.co.uk wrote: >So, I was wondering if anyone knew of a supplier of these items >that don't ask for a 35 quid minimum order... > Farnell you can order over the web and get next day delivery. hth Nev From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 20 07:56:54 1998 From: "E.P.R.P. Blink" Organization: Hanzehogeschool Groningen To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 08:51:05 MET Subject: DPU Diagram X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <672ACB54198@mail1.pl.hanze.nl> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 309 Lines: 8 Since binairies are not allowed on the list. For those of you who are interested in the DPU. I've got a 16K Zip file containing 2 gif images about the DPU. I also included a diagram of the DALLAS real time clock I designed for use with the SAM. Mail me if you're want to get it by Email.. Edwin Blink. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 20 21:25:33 1998 Message-ID: <35DC85CC.359E@nsss.org> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 21:23:40 +0100 From: NSSS Info Organization: NSSS X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-VN711-003 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Who's Going To The 5th NSSS? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1004 Lines: 27 Just about everybody by the looks of things. Most major Sam and Spectrum companies have been invited, including Alchemist Research, Blitz, Crashed, Format Publications, Fountain PD, FredSoft, Persona, Quazar, Sintech, and many more! This show is a must for any Sam or Spectrum owner who wants to see the scene first hand. There'll be exclusive new releases, special offers on software and hardware, opportunities to see works in progress, and some very special guests have been invited... This time we've a new venue in a new area, with improved parking facilities for Disabled visitors - Horwich RMI Club. This is situated in Horwich, Bolton, with easier access by Public Transprt than the past locations. So don't miss out: Be there on th 28th November 1998. For more details, inlcuding a map, list of places to stay and full Public Transport details, or a booking form, send an SSAE to: NSSS, 32 Barleyfields Road, Wetherby, West Yorkshire, LS22 6PN This has been a public service announcement. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 20 22:15:14 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <35DC85CC.359E@nsss.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:10:46 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Who's Going To The 5th NSSS? X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1334 Lines: 34 At 9:23 pm +0100 20/8/98, NSSS Info wrote: >Just about everybody by the looks of things. Most major Sam and Spectrum >companies have been invited, including Alchemist Research, Blitz, >Crashed, Format Publications, Fountain PD, FredSoft, Persona, Quazar, >Sintech, and many more! Who's going? Or who's invited? You could invite Sir Clive himself, though I honestly wouldn't expect him to turn up. >So don't miss out: Be there on th 28th November 1998. Hang on! Just wait there a minute... Last time you posted, you said: >So don't miss out! Be there on the 12th September 1998. So which is it? Please tell me that new date's a typo, because I've already been making plans to travel back home to Bolton for that weekend in September. I would have gone earlier if there was no show to aim for. Otherwise, thanks for the incredibly early warning... NOT! Andrew -- +----------------+-----------------------------+----------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | to a fool | +----------------+-----------------------------+ and he calls | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | you foolish | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | -- Euripides | +----------------------------------------------+----------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 20 23:20:16 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:17:13 +0100 To: "Sam users' mailing list" From: Andrew Collier Subject: Bwah? X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 2792 Lines: 59 I haven't had time to fix my own power supply, so I've tempoarily borrowed Allan Skillman's. And I'm glad to say, my Sam is working fine. Better than ever in fact, which is why I'm so confused. Let me explain... I have my Sam connectted by it's composite SCART to my PowerMac's video input port, basically this means I can use my Sam without having to drag two CRTs around the country six times a year. The first time I'd tried this,I found the the colour infomation which reached the screen was always completely screwed (whether I used composite SCART, or the UHF signal) It would oscillate between fully positive and fully negative saturation with a frequency equivalent to a few horizontal lines, so for example a bright blue screen became a fuzzy mess of constantly moving blue and yellow lines. The luminence was fine, so I turned the colour down and lived with it. I specifically tested my cable and the Sam with real TVs and even the video at home, and they were perfectly fine so I always assumed the problem was some sort of inherent incompatibility between the Sam's video output and the Mac's input which may have been expecting a perfect PAL signal. With this other power supply, the colours are fine. Perfect. Rock solid. *boggle* Does this mean my power supply had been going wrong for at least the past year? What could a dodgy 12V line have done to the colours anyway? Why was it working fine with a TV? I mean, WHY? Oh well, that just leaves me with problems which *are* inherent incompatibilities, ie blurring of adjacent horizontal lines and the fact my CRT isn't running at 50Hz... Andrew PS. All my power supplies have been in white cases. Ian's is in a white case. All the power supplies I remember seeing at Gloucester shows were in white cases. Allan's is in a black case... anyone else got a black PSU? PPS. Did anyone else recently get contacted by a Hungarian who wants to buy a Sam? I suggested he should ask on the sam-users list and told him how to subscribe, but instead he sent an email to the Selwyn College Computer support group.... Who teaches these foreigners English, anyway? :) PPPS. 39 people so far have looked at my sam-users users page - but only two have actually replied. Come on! I recognise some of the DNS names BTW, I know who you are and there is no escape.... -- +----------------+-----------------------------+----------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | to a fool | +----------------+-----------------------------+ and he calls | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | you foolish | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | -- Euripides | +----------------------------------------------+----------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 20 23:53:44 1998 Message-Id: <199808202251.AAA18608@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: Bwah? Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 00:51:00 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1191 Lines: 33 > Van: Andrew Collier > Aan: Sam users' mailing list > Onderwerp: Bwah? > Datum: Friday, August 21, 1998 12:17 > PS. All my power supplies have been in white cases. Ian's is in a white > case. All the power supplies I remember seeing at Gloucester shows were in > white cases. Allan's is in a black case... anyone else got a black PSU? I have a black one, Martijn has a black one, don't know about Stefan, "Oi Stefan dou you have a black one?". > PPS. Did anyone else recently get contacted by a Hungarian who wants to buy > a Sam? I suggested he should ask on the sam-users list and told him how to > subscribe, but instead he sent an email to the Selwyn College Computer > support group.... Who teaches these foreigners English, anyway? :) Nope only saw him in C.S.S. i believe. > PPPS. 39 people so far have looked at my sam-users users page - but only > two have actually replied. Come on! I recognise some of the DNS names BTW, > I know who you are and there is no escape.... Make that 40, now what kind of picture do you want? -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Currently listening to : Manatsu no eve - OST From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 21 00:22:41 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199808202251.AAA18608@mailserv.caiw.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 00:18:48 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Bwah? X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 946 Lines: 24 At 11:51 pm +0100 20/8/98, Robert van der Veeke wrote: >> PPPS. 39 people so far have looked at my sam-users users page - but only >> two have actually replied. Come on! I recognise some of the DNS names >BTW, >> I know who you are and there is no escape.... > >Make that 40, now what kind of picture do you want? Anything, gif, jpg, whatever. GraphicConverter accepts everything I've thrown at it so far. Or you could send me a print by snail-mail and I'll scan it :) Andrew -- +----------------+-----------------------------+----------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | to a fool | +----------------+-----------------------------+ and he calls | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | you foolish | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | -- Euripides | +----------------------------------------------+----------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 21 04:33:18 1998 Message-ID: <19980821033139.21388.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.30.67.156] From: Simon Cooke To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Bwah? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 20:31:39 PDT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1590 Lines: 49 >Does this mean my power supply had been going wrong for at least the past >year? What could a dodgy 12V line have done to the colours anyway? Why was >it working fine with a TV? I mean, WHY? > >Oh well, that just leaves me with problems which *are* inherent >incompatibilities, ie blurring of adjacent horizontal lines and the fact my >CRT isn't running at 50Hz... Remember: Electrons know no bounds. By which I mean... (*clears throat* *plays middle C*) The power supply's connected to the Mod-ulator. The modulator's connected to the Co-ax The coax is connected to the sock-et The socket is connected to the... MC14335P (I think) The MC14335P is connected to the ASIC... And hear the word of the SAM :) So basically, I'm betting that you're getting crap from the modulator (due to the dodgy PSU problems you had), which is entering the composite video generator chip and screwing up your colours :) >Andrew > >PS. All my power supplies have been in white cases. Ian's is in a white >case. All the power supplies I remember seeing at Gloucester shows were in >white cases. Allan's is in a black case... anyone else got a black PSU? Yep :) Mark and Adrian gave me one as a gift at the first gloucester show (my original one was dead). >PPPS. 39 people so far have looked at my sam-users users page - but only >two have actually replied. Come on! I recognise some of the DNS names BTW, >I know who you are and there is no escape.... Eek! I'll get to it! Simon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 21 08:47:12 1998 Subject: Re: Bwah? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 08:44:50 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Andrew Collier" at Aug 21, 98 00:18:48 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Gale X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 166 Lines: 4 Did anyone ever separate their UHF modulator from the PSU and put it in a separate box. as suggested in one of the SAMCo Newsdiscs? Did it make much difference? Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 21 08:52:55 1998 Subject: Re: Bwah? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 08:47:15 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Andrew Collier" at Aug 21, 98 00:18:48 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Gale X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 353 Lines: 7 Oh, and something else -- these SAM PSUs are modified CPC ones, aren't they? Which leads me to wonder, is the modulator actually the same one, because the SAM needs sound through the tv, but the CPC had an internal speaker - and Astec do two colour modulators, one with sound, and one without. Anyone know? Not that it matters.... I'm just curious Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 21 09:12:20 1998 Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:09:38 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@blue.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Bwah? In-Reply-To: <19980821033139.21388.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1518 Lines: 34 On Thu, 20 Aug 1998, Simon Cooke wrote: > >Does this mean my power supply had been going wrong for at least the > past > >year? What could a dodgy 12V line have done to the colours anyway? Why > was > >it working fine with a TV? I mean, WHY? ... > So basically, I'm betting that you're getting crap from the modulator > (due to the dodgy PSU problems you had), which is entering the composite > video generator chip and screwing up your colours :) Yes yes, fair enough. But why was it working fine with a TV (UHF), someone else's PC TV card (UHF or Composite SCART) and the VCR(composite SCART) - when it failed with my Mac's TV card (UHF or Composite SCART)? That't the confusing bit. If it hadn't worked on those others (or at least, had failed to work, but in the same way) I'd have guessed there was something wrong somewhere, and probably found the dodgy 12V line if it was there at the time.... It is probably worth noting that Allan's PSU doen't have the modulator in it, this could be the solution to at least one problem :) Andrew -- +----------------+-----------------------------+----------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | to a fool | +----------------+-----------------------------+ and he calls | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | you foolish | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | -- Euripides | +----------------------------------------------+----------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 21 09:23:32 1998 Subject: Re: Bwah? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:19:28 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Andrew Collier" at Aug 21, 98 09:09:38 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Gale X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 696 Lines: 22 > Yes yes, fair enough. But why was it working fine with a TV (UHF), someone > else's PC TV card (UHF or Composite SCART) and the VCR(composite SCART) - > when it failed with my Mac's TV card (UHF or Composite SCART)? > That't the confusing bit. > I don't really know enough about tv systems to say, but is there any chance that the colour is screwed a bit, but still OK when viewed (the eye can be very forgiving, as PAL-S relied on!), but the colour burst is sufficiently buggered to cause problems? Perhaps the Mac is very demanding... but then again, if it doesn't get a decent colour burst, it should enable the colour-killer, shouldn't it? I dunno. I guess I'm just waffling! Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 21 09:36:20 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <80256667.002E6BA0.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:39:19 +0100 Subject: Re: Bwah? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 353 Lines: 9 >PPPS. 39 people so far have looked at my sam-users users page - but only >two have actually replied. Come on! I recognise some of the DNS names BTW, >I know who you are and there is no escape.... Umm.. I've got a scanned in photo of myself but I haven't got around to shrinking it yet. Or thought up a nice little paragraph about myself! :) Justin. From imc Fri Aug 21 10:30:47 1998 Subject: Re: Bwah? In-Reply-To: <19980821033139.21388.qmail@hotmail.com> from Simon Cooke at "Aug 20, 98 08:31:39 pm" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:30:47 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 309 Lines: 10 On Thu, 20 Aug 1998 20:31:39 PDT, Simon Cooke said: > The power supply's connected to the Mod-ulator. > The modulator's connected to the Co-ax > The coax is connected to the sock-et > The socket is connected to the... MC14335P (I think) > The MC14335P is connected to the ASIC... It's a 1377 isn't it? imc From imc Fri Aug 21 10:36:02 1998 Subject: Re: Bwah? In-Reply-To: from Andrew Gale at "Aug 21, 98 08:47:15 am" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:36:02 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: RO Content-Length: 831 Lines: 16 On Fri, 21 Aug 1998 08:47:15 +0100 (BST), Andrew Gale said: > Oh, and something else -- these SAM PSUs are modified CPC > ones, aren't they? Which leads me to wonder, is the modulator > actually the same one, because the SAM needs sound through > the tv, but the CPC had an internal speaker - and Astec > do two colour modulators, one with sound, and one without. > Anyone know? Not that it matters.... I'm just curious Well, without bothering to look :-) I believe that the Sam PSU uses the sound version of the modulator (whereas the Spectrum +3 uses the no-sound version and must have some external hack to add the sound on, a bit like in the Currah µSpeech. In fact, the +3 also manages to create a composite video signal without the use of a MC1377P). I don't know what modulator might have been used for the Amstrad. imc From imc Fri Aug 21 10:39:21 1998 Subject: Re: Bwah? In-Reply-To: from Andrew Collier at "Aug 21, 98 00:18:48 am" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:39:21 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 330 Lines: 15 On Fri, 21 Aug 1998 00:18:48 +0100, Andrew Collier said: > Anything, gif, jpg, whatever. GraphicConverter accepts everything I've > thrown at it so far. Is that a challenge? :-) PNG? PPM? PostScript? Sam mode 4 SCREEN$? imc PS perhaps he was asking what the picture should look like rather than what format it should be in. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 21 10:46:35 1998 Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:43:14 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@blue.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Bwah? In-Reply-To: <199808210936.KAA21241@ruby.comlab> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id KAA19843 Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 766 Lines: 19 On Fri, 21 Aug 1998, Ian Collier wrote: > the Spectrum +3 uses the > no-sound version and must have some external hack to add the sound on, > a bit like in the Currah µSpeech. Ah... is that why it sounds as though the speakers are stuck in a bath full of water in a room two houses away? Andrew -- +----------------+-----------------------------+----------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | to a fool | +----------------+-----------------------------+ and he calls | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | you foolish | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | -- Euripides | +----------------------------------------------+----------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 21 10:55:07 1998 Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:50:59 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@blue.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Bwah? In-Reply-To: <199808210939.KAA21263@ruby.comlab> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1157 Lines: 42 On Fri, 21 Aug 1998, Ian Collier wrote: > On Fri, 21 Aug 1998 00:18:48 +0100, Andrew Collier said: > > Anything, gif, jpg, whatever. GraphicConverter accepts everything I've > > thrown at it so far. > > Is that a challenge? :-) > > PNG? Yes > PPM? Yes > PostScript? Er, I'd have to look. But probably not. But it can _export_ postscript :) > Sam mode 4 SCREEN$? If I were so inclined to write a plug-in, it could. But one doesn't exist yet, I have to admit. > PS perhaps he was asking what the picture should look like rather than what > format it should be in. Well, a picture of his face ideally. I mean, have a look at the pictures which are already on the page... Andrew -- +----------------+-----------------------------+----------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | to a fool | +----------------+-----------------------------+ and he calls | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | you foolish | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | -- Euripides | +----------------------------------------------+----------------+ From imc Fri Aug 21 10:59:54 1998 Subject: Re: Bwah? In-Reply-To: from Andrew Collier at "Aug 21, 98 10:43:14 am" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:59:54 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: RO Content-Length: 675 Lines: 17 On Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:43:14 +0100 (BST), Andrew Collier said: > > the Spectrum +3 uses the > > no-sound version and must have some external hack to add the sound on, > > a bit like in the Currah µSpeech. > Ah... is that why it sounds as though the speakers are stuck in a bath > full of water in a room two houses away? Er... what? I've never tried sticking speakers in a bath full of water in a room (presumably a bathroom) two houses away, so pray tell me what that is supposed to sound like. Apparently the +3 sound problem is caused by an overloaded transistor or something vaguely like that, and I'm told the other 128K Spectra do not have the same problem. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 21 11:21:48 1998 Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:17:17 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@blue.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Bwah? In-Reply-To: <199808210959.KAA21343@ruby.comlab> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1087 Lines: 26 On Fri, 21 Aug 1998, Ian Collier wrote: > Er... what? I've never tried sticking speakers in a bath full of water in > a room (presumably a bathroom) two houses away, so pray tell me what that > is supposed to sound like. It would sound exactly like a +3 trying to play music, obviously. Have you no imagination? > Apparently the +3 sound problem is caused by an overloaded transistor or > something vaguely like that, and I'm told the other 128K Spectra do not > have the same problem. What about the +2A? IIRC that's a +3 without the disk drive, wheras the +2 was an earlier and entirely different design. Andew -- +----------------+-----------------------------+----------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | to a fool | +----------------+-----------------------------+ and he calls | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | you foolish | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | -- Euripides | +----------------------------------------------+----------------+ From imc Fri Aug 21 11:28:19 1998 Subject: Re: Bwah? In-Reply-To: from Andrew Collier at "Aug 21, 98 11:17:17 am" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:28:19 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 939 Lines: 23 On Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:17:17 +0100 (BST), Andrew Collier said: > On Fri, 21 Aug 1998, Ian Collier wrote: > > Er... what? I've never tried sticking speakers in a bath full of water in > > a room (presumably a bathroom) two houses away, so pray tell me what that > > is supposed to sound like. > It would sound exactly like a +3 trying to play music, obviously. Have you > no imagination? How do you know? > > Apparently the +3 sound problem is caused by an overloaded transistor or > > something vaguely like that, and I'm told the other 128K Spectra do not > > have the same problem. > What about the +2A? IIRC that's a +3 without the disk drive, wheras the +2 > was an earlier and entirely different design. Well, not entirely different. I wasn't including the +2A in the "other" machines, but since most +2As are newer than most +3s they could have been fixed for all I know. Apparently there were a few ROM fixes anyway. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 21 11:32:20 1998 Subject: Re: Bwah? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:27:30 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: from "Andrew Collier" at Aug 21, 98 11:17:17 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Gale X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 529 Lines: 12 > What about the +2A? IIRC that's a +3 without the disk drive, wheras the +2 > was an earlier and entirely different design. > I've never understood why everybody hated the +2a - I realise that there were a few incompatibility problems, but apart form that, surely Amstrad's modifications can only have been good. I think the reason speccy owners hate it is becaause it's *too* developed for a machine bearing a Sinclair name! What? A *decent* keyboard? A disc system that doesn't need some cock-eyed interfacing system?! Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 21 18:19:25 1998 From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Bwah? Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:15:10 GMT Message-ID: <35e18fec.14089976@mail.enterprise.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 694 Lines: 23 On Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:17:13 +0100, you wrote: ^^^^^^^^^ oops.. I mean Andrew wrote: >PPPS. 39 people so far have looked at my sam-users users page - but only >two have actually replied. Come on! I recognise some of the DNS names BTW, >I know who you are and there is no escape.... Yes I've seen it. Pretty good it is too. I'll have to go and get it all again though, because Windowz 98 doesn't seem to like it if you try to install DOS mouse drivers.. causing unbelievable hassles, and an eventual FORMAT C: :/ I won't comment on your photo.. hahahaha! :) BTW - how does SIM Coupe perform on your Power Mac? I mean, which is best - running the Mac port, or the DOS version? Bye, Dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 21 18:56:13 1998 Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 13:52:25 -0400 From: Gordon Wallis <101762.2062@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Who's Going To The 5th NSSS? To: "INTERNET:sam-users@nvg.unit.no" Message-ID: <199808211352_MC2-56F4-9BA0@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 409 Lines: 12 Message text written by INTERNET:sam-users@nvg.unit.no >>So don't miss out: Be there on th 28th November 1998. Hang on! Just wait there a minute... Last time you posted, you said: >So don't miss out! Be there on the 12th September 1998. So which is it? < Last I heard - a VERY similar flyer with Blitz - it's the 28th November. Absolutely, positively, definitely. November. 28th of. Saturday. Confirmed. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 21 19:04:39 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <35e18fec.14089976@mail.enterprise.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:01:50 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Bwah? X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1586 Lines: 38 At 6:15 pm +0100 21/8/98, Dave wrote: >On Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:17:13 +0100, you wrote: >^^^^^^^^^ oops.. I mean Andrew wrote: > >I won't comment on your photo.. hahahaha! :) huh? >BTW - how does SIM Coupe perform on your Power Mac? I mean, which is >best - running the Mac port, or the DOS version? Well, since my Mac is a Mac and not a PC, it won't run the DOS version unless I buy a Wintel emulator, which I suspect is probably not the most efficient route to run an emulator. The Mac port of SimCoupe will emulate a Sam at full speed on my 200MHz 603e machine - which, one year after I got it is now lower than low end :( The only real problem is that the port doesn't handle the keyboard well at all - in fact the only modifier key which works is SHIFT (ie. SYMBOL and CNTRL are not emulated) and none of the "extended" keys exist (ie. and in the upper three bits of the keyboard port which don't exist on the Spectrum, eg ,;:"=+-*/ etc. Unfortunately this crippling error means it's almost impossible to do anything at all... "You want to me load a file? By name? With _quotes_? With *MY* reputation?" Andrew -- +----------------+-----------------------------+----------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | to a fool | +----------------+-----------------------------+ and he calls | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | you foolish | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | -- Euripides | +----------------------------------------------+----------------+ From imc Fri Aug 21 19:20:42 1998 Subject: Re: Bwah? In-Reply-To: from Andrew Collier at "Aug 21, 98 07:01:50 pm" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:20:42 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 455 Lines: 16 On Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:01:50 +0100, Andrew Collier said: > on my 200MHz 603e machine - which, one year after I got > it is now lower than low end :( Don't you just hate it when that happens. IBM no longer sells my machine it's so out of date. > "You want to me load a file? By name? With _quotes_? > With *MY* reputation?" You missed out "At 3 o'clock in the morning?", and anyway of course you can load it. INPUT a$: LOAD a$ imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 21 19:48:10 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199808211820.TAA26070@ruby.comlab> References: from Andrew Collier at "Aug 21, 98 07:01:50 pm" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:40:32 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Bwah? X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 682 Lines: 21 At 7:20 pm +0100 21/8/98, Ian Collier wrote: >You missed out "At 3 o'clock in the morning?", and anyway of course you >can load it. > >INPUT a$: LOAD a$ Except I need symbol shift to get the $ character. Andrew -- +----------------+-----------------------------+----------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | to a fool | +----------------+-----------------------------+ and he calls | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | you foolish | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | -- Euripides | +----------------------------------------------+----------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 21 19:48:11 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:42:58 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Bwah? X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 561 Lines: 15 >Except I need symbol shift to get the $ character. No I don't. What was I thinking? Andrew -- +----------------+-----------------------------+----------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | to a fool | +----------------+-----------------------------+ and he calls | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | you foolish | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | -- Euripides | +----------------------------------------------+----------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 21 23:08:13 1998 From: nevilley@nfy53.demon.co.uk (Nev Young) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Bwah? Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:43:05 GMT Organization: nfy53 Message-ID: <35ddbc38.8193042@post.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 275 Lines: 12 On Fri, 21 Aug 1998 08:44:50 +0100 (BST), you or Andrew Gale wrote: >Did anyone ever separate their UHF modulator from the >PSU and put it in a separate box. as suggested in one of yes >the SAMCo Newsdiscs? Did it make much difference? no hth Nev From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 21 23:08:24 1998 From: nevilley@nfy53.demon.co.uk (Nev Young) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Bwah? Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:43:12 GMT Organization: nfy53 Message-ID: <35debc6d.8245968@post.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 558 Lines: 13 On Fri, 21 Aug 1998 08:47:15 +0100 (BST), you or Andrew Gale wrote: >Oh, and something else -- these SAM PSUs are modified CPC >ones, aren't they? Which leads me to wonder, is the modulator >actually the same one, because the SAM needs sound through >the tv, but the CPC had an internal speaker - and Astec >do two colour modulators, one with sound, and one without. >Anyone know? Not that it matters.... I'm just curious they had the modulators removed and the larger ones put in. That's why it's such a poo construction imho nev From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 21 23:08:24 1998 From: nevilley@nfy53.demon.co.uk (Nev Young) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Bwah? Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:43:15 GMT Organization: nfy53 Message-ID: <35e0be1d.8678159@post.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 414 Lines: 11 On Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:17:13 +0100, you or Andrew Collier wrote: > >PPPS. 39 people so far have looked at my sam-users users page - but only >two have actually replied. Come on! I recognise some of the DNS names BTW, >I know who you are and there is no escape.... I can't imagine why you would want any but there are piccies of me at http://www.nfy53.demon.co.uk or have I said that already ? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 22 21:04:17 1998 From: Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk X-Lotus-FromDomain: POSTMASTER To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <80256668.006E28AA.00@osiris.postmaster.co.uk> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 21:03:15 +0100 Subject: Re: Bwah? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 290 Lines: 17 | I don't know what modulator might have been used for the Amstrad. Astec UM1804, same (I think) as some Spectrums. | | imc -- Samsboss - The One And Only. Accept No Others. ___________________________________ To sign up for a free email account, visit http://www.postmaster.co.uk. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 22 21:08:19 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: POSTMASTER From: Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <80256668.006EA70C.00@osiris.postmaster.co.uk> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 21:08:40 +0100 Subject: Re: Bwah? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 500 Lines: 22 | Andrew | | PS. All my power supplies have been in white cases. Ian's is in a white | case. All the power supplies I remember seeing at Gloucester shows were in | white cases. Allan's is in a black case... anyone else got a black PSU? Yes. And if you scratch the white paint you will find the black (dark gray) case under the paint. -- Samsboss - The One And Only. Accept No Others. ___________________________________ To sign up for a free email account, visit http://www.postmaster.co.uk. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 23 02:24:54 1998 From: persona To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Subscribers Organization: persona@clara.net References: X-Mailer: Atlantis Mail 16 Date: Sun, 23 Aug 98 02:19:27 BST Message-Id: <19980823012205Z49298-1585+849@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 534 Lines: 21 On 22 Aug 98, sam-users@nvg.unit.no wrote: >Anyone have any idea how to start getting people back on the list? > >Paul >-- >---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ---- > FidoNet: 2:254/211.44 2:442/103.13 > ---> http://www.craybbs.co.uk/foti <--- > > Errr.... 1) Start talking about SAM and not weathermen? 2) Stop people bitching about others all the time... particularly if they're hiding behind phoney names... 3) Come up with more sensible topics...? Just a thought David From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 23 02:32:49 1998 From: persona To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: I'm back. Organization: persona@clara.net References: <3c9d1560.35ac7b2a@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlantis Mail 16 Date: Sun, 23 Aug 98 02:22:51 BST Message-Id: <19980823012923Z49251-1585+856@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 637 Lines: 18 On 22 Aug 98, sam-users@nvg.unit.no wrote: >In a message dated 13/07/98 22:41:55, you write: >1) Many manuals are photocopied in the first place. In the SAM world I have to >point out that in the main, if they were printed, then they were printed by me >:) Not only.... There are plenty of cheap places around for printing and photocopying u know! >2) Did many games, other than Fred, Revelation and Enigma ever have printed >colour covers? Dyadic, from Phoenix. >3) Did many games have on-body printing on the disc? I've just looked through >my collection and there was not many. Fred did it with Lemmings... And a few others IIR From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 23 02:40:09 1998 Message-ID: <35DF7282.A8B4C8C0@purple.dircon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 02:38:10 +0100 From: Gavin Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: I'm back. References: <3c9d1560.35ac7b2a@aol.com> <19980823012923Z49251-1585+856@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 467 Lines: 13 persona wrote: > >3) Did many games have on-body printing on the disc? I've just looked through > >my collection and there was not many. > > Fred did it with Lemmings... And a few others IIR Erm, mine didn't! (And yes, I ordered it as soon as it was announced). Had a quick look through most of my SAM disks, and I can't find any software at all with on body printing. Fred disk mag is (or rather, was) the only thing that I know of with on body printing. Gaivn From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 23 03:24:41 1998 From: persona To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Letter Organization: persona@clara.net References: <80256662.003C8655.00@osiris.postmaster.co.uk> X-Mailer: Atlantis Mail 16 Date: Sun, 23 Aug 98 03:20:03 BST Message-Id: <19980823022244Z49174-1585+875@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 134 Lines: 5 On 22 Aug 98, sam-users@nvg.unit.no wrote: >'bout time we had a new disk contoller anyway. > My goodness! I actually agree with you! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 23 12:57:38 1998 From: persona To: san-users Subject: Hello again! Organization: persona@clara.net X-Mailer: Atlantis Mail 16 Date: Sun, 23 Aug 98 12:45:04 BST Message-Id: <19980823115546Z49246-1585+981@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 281 Lines: 10 Don't you just hate PC's at times? I've been off-line for a couple of weeks after having a major system crash with Windows... great fun eh? Anyway, what have I missed? Anything exciting? SAM Clock turned up? SRAM turned up? Oh and BTW.... has Cookie got to Seatle yet? :) David From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 23 21:44:59 1998 Message-ID: <19980823204134.12563.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.30.67.180] From: Simon Cooke To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Hello again! Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 13:41:34 PDT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 374 Lines: 13 >Oh and BTW.... has Cookie got to Seatle yet? :) Not yet - but in two or three weeks, the great migration west starts. I only hope poor Sarah can keep up with the pace. (Sarah being my car... poor thing, got her in May, have 6300 miles on her already) Simon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 23 23:29:22 1998 From: Paul Walker Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 19:16:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Bwah? Message-ID: In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) X-Hops: 1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 462 Lines: 12 > PPPS. 39 people so far have looked at my sam-users users page - but only > two have actually replied. Come on! I recognise some of the DNS names BTW, > I know who you are and there is no escape.... You don't expect me to actually *volunteer* a picture of myself, do you? :) Paul -- ---- MicroSoft Windows - where do you want to crash today? ---- FidoNet: 2:254/211.44 2:442/103.13 ---> http://www.craybbs.co.uk/foti <--- From imc Mon Aug 24 00:36:08 1998 Subject: Re: Bwah? In-Reply-To: from Andrew Collier at "Aug 20, 98 11:17:13 pm" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 00:36:08 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 306 Lines: 8 On Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:17:13 +0100, Andrew Collier said: > PPPS. 39 people so far have looked at my sam-users users page - but only > two have actually replied. Come on! I recognise some of the DNS names BTW, > I know who you are and there is no escape.... What on earth do you need a reply for?... imc From imc Mon Aug 24 00:37:03 1998 Subject: +2a (Re: Bwah?) In-Reply-To: from Andrew Gale at "Aug 21, 98 11:27:30 am" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 00:37:03 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 131 Lines: 6 On Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:27:30 +0100 (BST), Andrew Gale said: > I've never understood why everybody hated the +2a Me neither. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 24 07:58:00 1998 Message-Id: <199808240651.IAA29474@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: Sam users Subject: Fw: BASCOMP2/BASASM2 from FORMAT Magazine Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 08:51:06 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1372 Lines: 33 > Van: John Garner > Nieuwsgroepen: comp.sys.sinclair > Onderwerp: Re: BASCOMP2/BASASM2 from FORMAT Magazine > Datum: Sunday, August 23, 1998 11:00 > > David J Porter wrote in message <35D69831.84FB12A6@netaccess.co.nz>... > >I'm looking for the articles in FORMAT that go along with this pair of > >utilities. They dealt with using and extending these programs to add in > >all of the functionality of spectrum basic. If anyone has these or > >knows of a URL where they can be got, I'd very much appreciate it. > > > How about asking Bob Brenchley (who runs Format). I know they had a break > in and lost a lot of data a while ago but he might be able to help. Care to explain about this break in and how it affects your business with the Sam Coupe? Any comments Bob? > If you find them could you send a copy to me too please - the utilities > are on my website and I'd like to add any more info on them if possible. > > John G / Breezer > > -- > |>Speccy U/Groups,PD,Techy,Sounds=http://www.breezer.demon.co.uk/ (spec/) > |-->Computing jobseeker, see webpage for CV: coder, and I can spell! > |------->Intel P166MMX, Quake/Q2, Spectrums - all that I need ;-) > |- Real signature recovering in hospital, this is a stand-in... -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Currently listening to : Manatsu no eve - OST From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 24 10:08:07 1998 Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 10:01:03 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@blue.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: sam-users users (was Re: Bwah?) In-Reply-To: <199808232336.AAA00293@ruby.comlab> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1390 Lines: 33 On Mon, 24 Aug 1998, Ian Collier wrote: > On Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:17:13 +0100, Andrew Collier said: > > PPPS. 39 people so far have looked at my sam-users users page - but only > > two have actually replied. Come on! I recognise some of the DNS names BTW, > > I know who you are and there is no escape.... > > What on earth do you need a reply for?... Have you looked at this page or what? If I write people's introductory paragraphs for them, they'll complain that I missed something out which was terribly important, or put something in which is totally unimportant, or that I got something just plain wrong. And I don't have photos of everybody - even if I did, people would complain that it was a bad picture or doesn't show their good side or something. So don't delay - reply today! Take advantage of this unique opportunity to blow your own trumpet. http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/computers/samusers.html Andrew -- +----------------+-----------------------------+----------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | to a fool | +----------------+-----------------------------+ and he calls | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | you foolish | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | -- Euripides | +----------------------------------------------+----------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 24 18:41:03 1998 Message-ID: <35E2146A.7CD6@persona.clara.net> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 18:33:30 -0700 From: David Organization: The foundation of green eggs and ham X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: +2a (Re: Bwah?) References: <199808232337.AAA00308@ruby.comlab> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 197 Lines: 9 Ian Collier wrote: > > I've never understood why everybody hated the +2a > > Me neither. > > imc Wouldn't have been so bad if you could have upgraded it to disk (disc?) when it was released.... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 24 18:54:23 1998 Message-ID: <35E1A824.3020735B@purple.dircon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 18:51:32 +0100 From: Gavin Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: FS: Formats and Speccy stuff (still) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id SAA17411 Status: RO Content-Length: 261 Lines: 6 My collection of Formats - someone please take them! £10 for the lot! There's loads of the things! Also: Speccy bits and pieces - lightgun, power supplies, Multiface 3, +2/+3 keyboards (mail me for details). (Also some C64 stuff for sale *boo hiss* etc) Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 24 18:59:56 1998 Message-ID: <35E21980.2848@persona.clara.net> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 18:55:12 -0700 From: David Organization: The foundation of green eggs and ham X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: FS: Formats and Speccy stuff (still) References: <35E1A824.3020735B@purple.dircon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id SAA17464 Status: RO Content-Length: 133 Lines: 5 Gavin Smith wrote: > > My collection of Formats - someone please take them! £10 for the lot! How many issues? Out of interest ...? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 24 19:04:57 1998 Message-ID: <35E1AA41.F65D4B85@purple.dircon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 19:00:33 +0100 From: Gavin Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: FS: Formats and Speccy stuff (still) References: <35E1A824.3020735B@purple.dircon.co.uk> <35E21980.2848@persona.clara.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id TAA17659 Status: RO Content-Length: 275 Lines: 10 David wrote: > > Gavin Smith wrote: > > > > My collection of Formats - someone please take them! £10 for the lot! > > How many issues? Out of interest ...? (Wahey you're back online!) About 5 year's worth I think - so that's over 100 issues). Get your PC fixed? Nice one! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 24 19:33:07 1998 Message-ID: <35E21DEE.45EB@persona.clara.net> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 19:14:06 -0700 From: David Organization: The foundation of green eggs and ham X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: FS: Formats and Speccy stuff (still) References: <35E1A824.3020735B@purple.dircon.co.uk> <35E21980.2848@persona.clara.net> <35E1AA41.F65D4B85@purple.dircon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id TAA18206 Status: RO Content-Length: 514 Lines: 18 Gavin Smith wrote: > > David wrote: > > > > Gavin Smith wrote: > > > > > > My collection of Formats - someone please take them! £10 for the lot! > > > > How many issues? Out of interest ...? > > (Wahey you're back online!) About 5 year's worth I think - so that's > over 100 issues). Get your PC fixed? Nice one! Sort of back... the PC's a little erratic (like it's owner?) and is waiting for a second hard drive and a reasonablish CD drive... 5 years worth? Well... I didn't know you where that keen on it ;) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 24 21:24:57 1998 From: davewhitmore@enterprise.net (Dave) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: +2a (Re: Bwah?) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 20:21:02 GMT Message-ID: <35e0b7c2.1526489@mail.enterprise.net> References: <199808232337.AAA00308@ruby.comlab> In-Reply-To: <199808232337.AAA00308@ruby.comlab> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 914 Lines: 22 On Mon, 24 Aug 1998 00:37:03 +0100 (BST), Ian wrote: >On Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:27:30 +0100 (BST), Andrew Gale said: >> I've never understood why everybody hated the +2a > >Me neither. Well some of the gripes were understandable IMO. You'll know about these, but I'll bleat on about them anyway. First of all there was the change in the edge connector, which caused the incompatabilities with multifaces and Plus Ds. Granted, these were overcome by gizmos like the 'fixit' and the Multiface 3. Then the most hateworthy thing IMO (trivial though it may seem) was the change in syntax for accessing the ramdisk. Okay, the ramdisk wasn't really used much in ordinary everyday BASIC, but Dr Andy had put some wonderful ramdisk functions into BetaBASIC, and when my brother-in-law bought a speccy (a +2a), none of my fantastic BetaBASIC creations would work on his machine. :) So there you go... some reasons. Dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 24 22:46:10 1998 Message-ID: <35E24D9D.40BE@persona.clara.net> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 22:37:33 -0700 From: David Organization: The foundation of green eggs and ham X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: sam-users users (was Re: Bwah?) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 157 Lines: 5 Andrew Collier wrote: > So don't delay - reply today! Take advantage of this unique opportunity to > blow your own trumpet. I'll resist the obvious puns ;) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 24 23:11:45 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <35E24D9D.40BE@persona.clara.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 23:08:30 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: sam-users users (was Re: Bwah?) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 565 Lines: 16 At 6:37 am +0100 25/8/98, David wrote: >I'll resist the obvious puns ;) Glad to hear it. Andrew -- +----------------+-----------------------------+----------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | to a fool | +----------------+-----------------------------+ and he calls | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | you foolish | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | -- Euripides | +----------------------------------------------+----------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 25 21:39:00 1998 Message-ID: <35E38AFB.6AD8@persona.clara.net> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 21:11:39 -0700 From: David Organization: The foundation of green eggs and ham X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SAM-Users Mailing List Subject: Yoooo hooo! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 27 Lines: 3 Yoooo hooo! Anyone alive? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 25 22:43:26 1998 Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 22:33:44 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@red.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: I'm back. In-Reply-To: <19980823012923Z49251-1585+856@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1639 Lines: 38 On Sun, 23 Aug 1998, persona wrote: > >2) Did many games, other than Fred, Revelation and Enigma ever have printed > >colour covers? > > >3) Did many games have on-body printing on the disc? I've just looked through > >my collection and there was not many. > > Fred did it with Lemmings... And a few others IIR When I bought KLAX, very soon after it was released, it came with an on-body printed disk. It also came in a BIG plastic box with colour inlay like the Amiga version's. (Wheras the copies of KLAX which I've seen for sale on Bob's stand at the Gloucester shows, came in the small double-cassette size plastic box and a completely different inlay. I didn't see the actual disks - but honestly I'd be surprised if they were on-body printed) 'Hexagonia' had on-body printing, had a colour inlay in the small plastic box. 'Pipemania' and 'Prince of Persia' and 'Lemmings' and 'Oh No! More Lemmings' all came in cardboard boxes when I bought them. Lemmings has a sticky label printed in green. ON!ML and PipeMania had sticky labels printed in black. PoP, I think had on-body printing, but my disks are at home and I don't have a photographic memory. Andrew -- +----------------+-----------------------------+----------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | to a fool | +----------------+-----------------------------+ and he calls | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | you foolish | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | -- Euripides | +----------------------------------------------+----------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 25 23:25:35 1998 From: PGLOVER43 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 18:09:49 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: I'm back (Printed disks) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 168 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 211 Lines: 5 Another game I remember that had printing on the plastic case was ESCAPE FROM THE PLANET OF ROBOT MONSTERS, and a very neat job they did of it too. The game was also pretty nifty and colourful... - Phil Glover From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 25 23:45:43 1998 From: Dean Liversidge To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 21:49:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: FS: Formats and Speccy stuff (still) In-reply-to: <35E21980.2848@persona.clara.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id XAA26130 Status: RO Content-Length: 1179 Lines: 36 On 24 Aug 98, at 18:55, David wrote: Date sent: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 18:55:12 -0700 From: David Organization: The foundation of green eggs and ham To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: FS: Formats and Speccy stuff (still) Send reply to: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Gavin Smith wrote: > > > > My collection of Formats - someone please take them! £10 for the lot! > > How many issues? Out of interest ...? While were on the subject of Flormat.... My Sub just expired and i would like someone to give me a good (in my opinion) reason why i should renew it....now there's a chalange (sp?) In a way i would like to have every copy, because personaly i don't think that it will be going too much longer, should i stick it out for what another,....6 months?, 1 year? 2 years?? anyone any thoughts on that? I would hate it if it went on for another year and so far i have every issue ( yes i have, surprisingly enough!!!!), then not have the last few !!! What i wanted to do eventually was to put every single copy onto a CD if poss in DynaText format or just as .pdf and .txt files. -- Dean Liversidge From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 26 00:10:30 1998 Message-ID: <19980825230754.4070.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.30.67.211] From: Simon Cooke To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Yoooo hooo! Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:07:54 PDT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 169 Lines: 13 >Yoooo hooo! > >Anyone alive? > *dies loudly* Simon ;) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 26 08:37:27 1998 From: "E.P.R.P. Blink" Organization: Hanzehogeschool Groningen To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 09:29:50 MET Subject: TELEDISK X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <70357F92370@mail1.pl.hanze.nl> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 268 Lines: 7 Does anyone has problems using teledisk on a pentium ? It works on my 486/ 66MHz but on all pentium PCs I tried it wouldn't work. However I found out that there's also "Teleget" which seems to work with them. But it it can only copy files to a disk. Edwin Blink. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 26 09:06:27 1998 Message-Id: From: Dan Doore Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 8:59:08 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: RE: I'm back (Printed disks) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /310000000/310102093/310102123/310460310/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 101" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 308 Lines: 10 > Another game I remember that had printing on the plastic case > was ESCAPE FROM > THE PLANET OF ROBOT MONSTERS, and a very neat job they did of > it too. The game was also pretty nifty and colourful... And had no copy protection IIRC. The most impressive case I had was for Lemmings, twas a monster. D. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 26 11:42:21 1998 Message-ID: <35E3E436.573A@AnySIM.de> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:32:22 +0200 From: Christof Odenthal X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: TELEDISK References: <70357F92370@mail1.pl.hanze.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 257 Lines: 14 Hello, i've found TELEGET at this address for a download: http://www.dpt.com/techsup/scputils.htm bye, Christof. -- \ | / (-O-O-) -----oooO--(_)--Oooo----- mailto: Odenthal@AnySIM.de homepg: http://homepages.muenchen.org/bm347689/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 26 12:38:16 1998 Message-Id: From: Dan Doore Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:28:14 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: RE: TELEDISK MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /310000000/310102093/310102123/310460310/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 101" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 257 Lines: 8 > Does anyone has problems using teledisk on a pentium ? > It works on my 486/ 66MHz but on all pentium PCs I tried it > wouldn't work. Yeah, I have to use a Gateway 486 to do Teledisk stuff on, since my P166 usually locks up with TeleNightmare. D. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 26 14:47:02 1998 Date: Wed, 26 Aug 98 13:29:36 GMT Message-ID: <1106_OASIS_@lhutz.demon.co.uk> From: 8bit@itdoesntsuck.com (James R Curry) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Mailer: OASIS Post Box (Atari) v1.31E Subject: Re: TELEDISK X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 831 Lines: 31 OASIS_E-Mail: > >Does anyone has problems using teledisk on a pentium ? >It works on my 486/ 66MHz but on all pentium PCs I tried it wouldn't work. >However I found out that there's also "Teleget" which seems to work >with them. But it it can only copy files to a disk. > >Edwin Blink. Well, I had problems with it running on a Pentium... it just froze up. Then I quit out of Windows entirely, and just ran it from DOS (Not a DOS prompt in Windows). Amazingly, it worked. Slowly. But it worked. __ James R Curry - 8bit@itdoesntsuck.com "You're missing the point! The individual doesn't matter. It was a team effort, and I was the one who came up with the whole team idea...me!" - Homer Simpson, The Simpsons. Please insert meaningless promise about The Official James R Curry web page here... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 26 14:47:04 1998 Date: Wed, 26 Aug 98 13:31:42 GMT Message-ID: <1107_OASIS_@lhutz.demon.co.uk> From: 8bit@itdoesntsuck.com (James R Curry) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Mailer: OASIS Post Box (Atari) v1.31E Subject: RE: I'm back (Printed disks) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 767 Lines: 31 In E-Mail Dan Doore wrote:- >> Another game I remember that had printing on the plastic case >> was ESCAPE FROM >> THE PLANET OF ROBOT MONSTERS, and a very neat job they did of >> it too. The game was also pretty nifty and colourful... > >And had no copy protection IIRC. > >The most impressive case I had was for Lemmings, twas a monster. > >D. And crashed when you finished the bloody game... __ James R Curry - 8bit@itdoesntsuck.com "You're missing the point! The individual doesn't matter. It was a team effort, and I was the one who came up with the whole team idea...me!" - Homer Simpson, The Simpsons. Please insert meaningless promise about The Official James R Curry web page here... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 26 16:28:19 1998 From: Edwin Blink Organization: Hanzehogeschool Groningen To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 17:19:07 MET Subject: Re: TELEDISK X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <70B2A1A3609@mail1.pl.hanze.nl> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 235 Lines: 10 > Hello, > i've found TELEGET at this address for a download: > http://www.dpt.com/techsup/scputils.htm You can also download teleget with configuration setup at: ftp://204.146.167.81/pub/pccbbs/os2_fixes/tgsfx.com Edwin Blink. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 26 16:57:30 1998 Message-ID: <35E42D37.3C51@AnySIM.de> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 17:43:51 +0200 From: Christof Odenthal X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: TELEDISK References: <70B2A1A3609@mail1.pl.hanze.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 714 Lines: 27 Edwin Blink wrote: > > > Hello, > > i've found TELEGET at this address for a download: > > http://www.dpt.com/techsup/scputils.htm > > You can also download teleget with configuration setup at: > > ftp://204.146.167.81/pub/pccbbs/os2_fixes/tgsfx.com > These versions seem to be different. One expects a file with the ending ".tg0" and the other ".dp0". But Teledisk writes files with the ending ".td0" - i tried a Teledisk archive with both versions of Teleget (i renamed the extension) but i always got the error message "CRC (checksum) error!"... bye, Christof. -- \ | / (-O-O-) -----oooO--(_)--Oooo----- mailto: Odenthal@AnySIM.de homepg: http://homepages.muenchen.org/bm347689/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 26 21:10:46 1998 Message-ID: <35E4D921.3867@persona.clara.net> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 20:57:21 -0700 From: David Organization: The foundation of green eggs and ham X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: TELEDISK References: <70357F92370@mail1.pl.hanze.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 504 Lines: 14 E.P.R.P. Blink wrote: > > Does anyone has problems using teledisk on a pentium ? > It works on my 486/ 66MHz but on all pentium PCs I tried it wouldn't work. > However I found out that there's also "Teleget" which seems to work > with them. But it it can only copy files to a disk. > > Edwin Blink. Chris Pile was saying that sometimes it works better after running some of the utilities with the sound version of Sim Coupe... I think one of them modifies one of the DOS vectors or somethink. David From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 27 08:06:41 1998 From: Edwin Blink Organization: Hanzehogeschool Groningen To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 08:58:01 MET Subject: Re: TELEDISK X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <71AD2783DC5@mail1.pl.hanze.nl> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 452 Lines: 17 (snip) > Well, I had problems with it running on a Pentium... it just froze > up. Then I quit out of Windows entirely, and just ran it from DOS > (Not a DOS prompt in Windows). Amazingly, it worked. Slowly. But it > worked. Same on my 486 too. Oh Oh I made a mistake on TELEGET. I didn't actually test TD0 files with it. When I sam them in the file option. I presumed they'd work. However I did test TG0 files. Sorry ! Edwin Blink. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 28 20:16:37 1998 Message-ID: <016e01bdd2c0$2759eb00$10e9b094@default> From: Chris White To: sam-users Subject: Re: I'm back. Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 21:11:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 784 Lines: 33 >When I bought KLAX, very soon after it was released, it came with an >on-body printed disk. It also came in a BIG plastic box with colour inlay >like the Amiga version's. Correct. (The non pirated version) >'Hexagonia' had on-body printing, had a colour inlay in the small plastic >box. Correct.(The non pirated version) >'Pipemania' and 'Prince of Persia' and 'Lemmings' and 'Oh No! More >Lemmings' all came in cardboard boxes when I bought them. Correct.(The non pirated version) >Lemmings has a ticky label printed in green. ON!ML and PipeMania had sticky labels >printed in black. Wrong.(The pirated version) >PoP, I think had on-body printing, but my disks are at >home and I don't have a photographic memory. Correct.(The non pirated version) >Andrew Chris White From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 28 20:16:38 1998 Message-ID: <017101bdd2c0$3e235a60$10e9b094@default> From: Chris White To: sam-users Subject: Re: I'm back (Printed disks) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 21:12:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 124 Lines: 8 >And had no copy protection IIRC. >The most impressive case I had was for Lemmings, twas a monster. Hehehehehehhe Chris From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 28 20:42:23 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <016e01bdd2c0$2759eb00$10e9b094@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 20:37:19 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: I'm back. X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1327 Lines: 36 At 9:11 pm +0100 28/8/98, Chris White wrote: >>'Pipemania' and 'Prince of Persia' and 'Lemmings' and 'Oh No! More >>Lemmings' all came in cardboard boxes when I bought them. > >Correct.(The non pirated version) > >>Lemmings has a ticky label printed in green. ON!ML and PipeMania had sticky >labels >>printed in black. > >Wrong.(The pirated version) Hang about, I can't simultaneously have pirated and non-pirated versions of the software..... I bought Lemmings and ON!ML directly from Fred, as soon as they were released. I bought Pipemania via a mail order company about a month after it was released. Which of the three games do you suspect was sold to me under false pretences? Maybe my memory's playing tricks on me and most of my disks are at home in Bolton, but I'm sure that ON!ML's label had the disk's access code printed on it in black. Andrew -- +----------------+-----------------------------+----------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | to a fool | +----------------+-----------------------------+ and he calls | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | you foolish | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | -- Euripides | +----------------------------------------------+----------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 28 22:18:12 1998 Message-ID: <000d01bdd2cb$29adec20$6ce8b094@default> From: Chris White To: sam-users Subject: Re: I'm back. Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 22:31:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 686 Lines: 26 >Hang about, I can't simultaneously have pirated and non-pirated versions of >the software..... Okay in boxes is good. but non onbody printing is bad. >I bought Lemmings and ON!ML directly from Fred, as soon as they were >released. Good. >I bought Pipemania via a mail order company about a month after >it was released. Good. by the way did you know that Wayne Hay and myself wrote that game >Which of the three games do you suspect was sold to me under false >pretences? Maybe my memory's playing tricks on me and most of my disks are >at home in Bolton, but I'm sure that ON!ML's label had the disk's access >code printed on it in black. Na. not false just strange Chris From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 29 14:14:26 1998 From: BillRitman@aol.com Illegal-Object: Syntax error in Message-ID: value found on sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no: Message-ID: ^-Extraneous program text Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 09:08:18 EDT To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: I'm back. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows sub 178 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-Id: <19980829130846Z49480-20992+717@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Status: RO Content-Length: 573 Lines: 24 In a message dated 28/08/98 19:13:21, you write: > >Lemmings has a ticky label printed in green. ON!ML and PipeMania had sticky > labels > >printed in black. > > Wrong.(The pirated version) Looking at my copy of Pipemania it has a sticky label. > > >PoP, I think had on-body printing, but my disks are at > >home and I don't have a photographic memory. > > > Correct.(The non pirated version) Mine has a sticky label, but as it came in a box with the official manual I can't see how it could be a pirated version. > > >Andrew > Chris White > Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 30 11:45:11 1998 From: Jarek Adamski To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 20:49:10 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: ZXLAND Club Subject: I'm new here. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 444 Lines: 18 Hello! I am SAM user since 1991. I'm now not up to date about SAM. I want to ask some questions. How many SAM users have hard disk (except me)? Is there any operating system that supports hard disk? I saw SAMDOS, MasterDOS and PRODOS. Are there more of them? I want spread my programs (they are CP/M comptibile system and ZX Spectrum emulator with ZXVGS) as Shareware. Where to send them? How many active SAM users are in Poland? Yarek. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 30 12:10:11 1998 Message-Id: <199808301107.NAA07113@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: I'm new here. Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 13:06:38 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1145 Lines: 43 > Van: Jarek Adamski > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Onderwerp: I'm new here. > Datum: Saturday, August 29, 1998 9:49 > > Hello! Konichiwa > I am SAM user since 1991. I'm now not up to date about SAM. I > want to ask some questions. > > How many SAM users have hard disk (except me)? I have a Atom these days There are two systems, SD sold 170 interfaces but is no longer in production (and it was Nev himself who said that the Atom is a better system than the SD-interface), I don't know how many Atoms have been sold. The last one is as far as i know still in production. > Is there any operating system that supports hard disk? > > I saw SAMDOS, MasterDOS and PRODOS. Are there more of them? BDos, can be used with or without a Atom-interface and Harddisk and is freeware. > I want spread my programs (they are CP/M comptibile system and > ZX Spectrum emulator with ZXVGS) as Shareware. Where to send > them? > > How many active SAM users are in Poland? ???? I don't know. -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Currently listening to : Roruni Keshin - Best themes Collection From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 30 13:17:20 1998 From: Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk X-Lotus-FromDomain: POSTMASTER To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <80256670.00434144.00@osiris.postmaster.co.uk> Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 13:14:40 +0100 Subject: NSSS date change??? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 346 Lines: 13 I've just had an email from someone I know who was going to the NSSS show on the 19th Sept. He has heard that the show has been moved to November. Has anyone had confermation of this? -- Samsboss - The One And Only. Accept No Others. ___________________________________ To sign up for a free email account, visit http://www.postmaster.co.uk. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 30 13:25:48 1998 From: Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk X-Lotus-FromDomain: POSTMASTER To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <80256670.004402F7.00@osiris.postmaster.co.uk> Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 13:22:56 +0100 Subject: Re: I'm new here. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1079 Lines: 43 | Hello! | | I am SAM user since 1991. I'm now not up to date about SAM. I | want to ask some questions. | | How many SAM users have hard disk (except me)? Quite a few, SD's system has sold well. | | Is there any operating system that supports hard disk? HDOS is good, but could be better, and because of the lack of co-operation from people on this list there seems little hope of any advance in the near future. There is BDOS, which seems from what I've heard, to be good is some respects but fails because it does not allow you to use the hard drive as one space. | | I saw SAMDOS, MasterDOS and PRODOS. Are there more of them? | | I want spread my programs (they are CP/M comptibile system and | ZX Spectrum emulator with ZXVGS) as Shareware. Where to send | them? I'm not sure if SAM-PD are still going, does anyone else know? | | How many active SAM users are in Poland? Not the faintest idea. | | Yarek. -- Samsboss - The One And Only. Accept No Others. ___________________________________ To sign up for a free email account, visit http://www.postmaster.co.uk. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 30 13:43:55 1998 Message-Id: <199808301237.OAA27350@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: I'm new here. Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 14:37:09 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 610 Lines: 18 > Van: Jarek Adamski > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Onderwerp: I'm new here. > Datum: Saturday, August 29, 1998 9:49 > I want spread my programs (they are CP/M comptibile system and > ZX Spectrum emulator with ZXVGS) as Shareware. Where to send > them? ftp://ftp.nvg.ntnu.no/pub/sam-coupe is a good place to spread software, otherwise you could try one of the Sam Diskmagazines that are still around. Read the README at the nvg, very important. yes.... -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Currently listening to : Roruni Keshin - Best themes Collection From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 30 13:47:01 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <80256670.00434144.00@osiris.postmaster.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 13:44:17 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: NSSS date change??? X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1293 Lines: 27 At 1:14 pm +0100 30/8/98, Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk wrote: >I've just had an email from someone I know who was going to the NSSS show >on >the 19th Sept. He has heard that the show has been moved to November. It was never the 19th! Previous adverts had said the 12th September, but it does appear to have been changed to 28th November. Apparently there have been adverts sent out, with the new date. There was even a message sent to sam-users about it on Thursday 20th August. It claimed to be sent from the address nsss@nsss.org - but that address doesn't exist. It also claimed to be a "public service announcement" but IMHO it was an advert bordering on a spam - whoever posted it obviously doesn't subscribe here under their real name, otherwise they'd have answered when I initially questioned the discrepancy. Andrew -- +----------------+-----------------------------+----------------+ | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense | | 1B NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | to a fool | +----------------+-----------------------------+ and he calls | | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | you foolish | | email support@sel.cam.ac.uk | -- Euripides | +----------------------------------------------+----------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 30 13:57:04 1998 Message-Id: <199808301253.OAA00982@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: I'm new here. Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 14:49:35 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1096 Lines: 31 > Van: Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Onderwerp: Re: I'm new here. > Datum: Sunday, August 30, 1998 2:22 > > HDOS is good, but could be better, and because of the lack of co-operation > from > people on this list there seems little hope of any advance in the near > future. > There is BDOS, which seems from what I've heard, to be good is some > respects > but fails because it does not allow you to use the hard drive as one space. It is always the fault of the those pesky kids. Those Demo-coders with their overinflated ego's that have no better thing to do than write stupid scrollie-demo's. Oh come on do you still think that anyone on this list believes this crap that you are spewing. And as usual you are again trying to mislead people by spreading incorrect information about various software and hardware that is for sale or being developed. Not to mention that FREEWARE has the same effect on you as sunlight has on a vampire. -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Currently listening to : Roruni Keshin - Best themes Collection From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 30 16:48:30 1998 Message-ID: <19980830154046.28263.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [205.217.16.206] From: Simon Cooke To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: I'm new here. Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 08:40:46 PDT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 770 Lines: 20 >> I saw SAMDOS, MasterDOS and PRODOS. Are there more of them? > >BDos, can be used with or without a Atom-interface and Harddisk and is >freeware. QDOS doesn't support the hard-disk, but it cleans up your system and reports system status when you boot it. Handy if you need to switch from MasterDOS to SAMDOS for any reason. MaxiDOS+ is only on a few disks out there, and it has a custom boot block which loads a screen from tracks 80-83, and fades it in and out on booting. Press a key, and then it loads the DOS. MaxiDOS is on even fewer disks; it displays a message on the screen, defined by the user, waits for a key, and then loads the DOS. Simon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 30 16:48:47 1998 Message-ID: <19980830154421.3855.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [205.217.16.206] From: Simon Cooke To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: I'm new here. Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 08:44:20 PDT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 694 Lines: 23 >| Is there any operating system that supports hard disk? > >HDOS is good, but could be better, and because of the lack of co-operation >from >people on this list there seems little hope of any advance in the near >future. Sorry, SAMSBOSS, but it's not OUR problem. We're not paid to write YOUR software, remember? >There is BDOS, which seems from what I've heard, to be good is some >respects >but fails because it does not allow you to use the hard drive as one space. But what it loses in that, it gains in the fact that it uses existing commands instead of CALL's. Simon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 30 18:24:38 1998 Message-Id: <199808301720.TAA26599@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users Subject: Re: I'm new here. Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 19:20:30 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 883 Lines: 25 > Van: Simon Cooke > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Onderwerp: Re: I'm new here. > Datum: Sunday, August 30, 1998 5:44 > >There is BDOS, which seems from what I've heard, to be good is some > >respects > >but fails because it does not allow you to use the hard drive as one > space. > > But what it loses in that, it gains in the fact that it uses existing > commands instead of CALL's. And that is what makes Bdos better as Hdos, Easy to use (only a few new tricks to learn). And in combination with the ATOM it is just worth every penny (except you don't pay a single penny). And the fact that it uses RECORDS does not bother the people who are using it to much or am i wrong? Its a bit strange first but you get used to it. -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Currently listening to : Roruni Keshin - Best themes Collection From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 31 00:46:51 1998 Message-ID: <35EA5372.7E03@persona.clara.net> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 00:40:34 -0700 From: David Organization: The foundation of green eggs and ham X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: I'm new here. References: <199808301720.TAA26599@mailserv.caiw.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1641 Lines: 48 Robert van der Veeke wrote: > > > Van: Simon Cooke > > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > > Onderwerp: Re: I'm new here. > > Datum: Sunday, August 30, 1998 5:44 > > > >There is BDOS, which seems from what I've heard, to be good is some > > >respects > > >but fails because it does not allow you to use the hard drive as one > > space. > > > > But what it loses in that, it gains in the fact that it uses existing > > commands instead of CALL's. Yes, nice and easy commands. Records act just as well as directories... and let's face it - doesn't MS-DOS really internally treat subdirectories and contents as one big file anyway IIR? I suppose you could go to the hassle of defining sub proceedures to replace the calls in HDOS but who could be arsed loading them up all the time? > And that is what makes Bdos better as Hdos, Easy to use (only a few new > tricks to learn). And in combination with the ATOM it is just worth every > penny (except you don't pay a single penny). I suppose "SB" would mention about the lack of MasterBasic compatibility... but I've stopped using that ages ago due to the bugs littering it! > And the fact that it uses RECORDS does not bother the people who are using > it to much or am i wrong? Its a bit strange first but you get used to it. Oooooo! It's so hard to use! I mean, one extra keyword to remember! Oh, how hard! (Sarcasm intentional!) But seriously, it's no hassle to use. Martijn's modifications on Outwrite 2 turn it into a wordprocessor worth using finally! > -- > Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics > [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] David (Atom owner! And proud of it!) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 31 07:21:01 1998 Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 08:16:53 +0200 From: ft@edh.ericsson.se (Frode Tenneboe) Message-Id: <9808310616.AA01442@asmal.edh-net> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: removed X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 165 Lines: 10 Hi. The following have been unsubscribed by me due to mail-bounce: davehandley@gensim.com ajchandler@hotmail.com If you know them, please let them now. -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 31 12:47:06 1998 From: Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk X-Lotus-FromDomain: POSTMASTER To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <80256671.003F2A06.00@osiris.postmaster.co.uk> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 12:29:58 +0100 Subject: Re: NSSS date change??? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1186 Lines: 39 | At 1:14 pm +0100 30/8/98, Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk wrote: | >I've just had an email from someone I know who was going to the NSSS show | >on | >the 19th Sept. He has heard that the show has been moved to November. | | It was never the 19th! Previous adverts had said the 12th September, You are correct, my mistake. | but it | does appear to have been changed to 28th November. Apparently there have | been adverts sent out, with the new date. Bit late to change it isn't it? Although late November is a better date really. | | There was even a message sent to sam-users about it on Thursday 20th | August. It claimed to be sent from the address nsss@nsss.org - but that | address doesn't exist. It also claimed to be a "public service | announcement" but IMHO it was an advert bordering on a spam - whoever | posted it obviously doesn't subscribe here under their real name, otherwise | they'd have answered when I initially questioned the discrepancy. I missed that one, must have skipped it somehow. | | Andrew | -- Samsboss - The One And Only. Accept No Others. ___________________________________ To sign up for a free email account, visit http://www.postmaster.co.uk. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 31 12:47:07 1998 From: Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk X-Lotus-FromDomain: POSTMASTER To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <80256671.003F6C99.00@osiris.postmaster.co.uk> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 12:32:49 +0100 Subject: Re: I'm new here. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 551 Lines: 28 | Oh come on do you still think that anyone on this list believes this crap | that you are spewing. And as usual you are again trying to mislead people | by spreading incorrect information about various software and hardware that | is for sale or being developed. ????????? | | Not to mention that FREEWARE has the same effect on you as sunlight has on | a vampire. ?????????????? -- Samsboss - The One And Only. Accept No Others. ___________________________________ To sign up for a free email account, visit http://www.postmaster.co.uk. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 31 12:47:07 1998 X-Lotus-FromDomain: POSTMASTER From: Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <80256671.003FE60D.00@osiris.postmaster.co.uk> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 12:38:00 +0100 Subject: Re: I'm new here. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1109 Lines: 39 | >| Is there any operating system that supports hard disk? | > | >HDOS is good, but could be better, and because of the lack of | co-operation | >from | >people on this list there seems little hope of any advance in the near | >future. | | Sorry, SAMSBOSS, but it's not OUR problem. We're not paid to write YOUR | software, remember? All I pointed out, and it is something that you cannot deny, is that if just a few of the people on this list had provided Nev with even a little bit of help the HDOS would be a lot better than it is. | | >There is BDOS, which seems from what I've heard, to be good is some | >respects | >but fails because it does not allow you to use the hard drive as one | space. | | But what it loses in that, it gains in the fact that it uses existing | commands instead of CALL's. Fine, if you don't want to use a hard drive like a /real/ hard drive. It may require calls, but at least HDOS takes the right approach. | -- Samsboss - The One And Only. Accept No Others. ___________________________________ To sign up for a free email account, visit http://www.postmaster.co.uk. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 31 17:04:03 1998 Message-ID: <35EAC7B7.7AE819BD@purple.dircon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 16:56:39 +0100 From: Gavin Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: I'm new here. References: <80256671.003FE60D.00@osiris.postmaster.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 421 Lines: 13 Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk wrote: > All I pointed out, and it is something that you cannot deny, is that if > just a > few of the people on this list had provided Nev with even a little bit of > help > the HDOS would be a lot better than it is. Oh joy, Mr Get-along-with-everyone is back. Okay, if you want to start a damn stupid arguement, just what the hell did you do to help HDOS? What exactly did you code? Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 31 17:04:03 1998 Message-ID: <35EB382E.6500@persona.clara.net> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 16:56:30 -0700 From: David Organization: The foundation of green eggs and ham X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: I'm new here. References: <80256671.003FE60D.00@osiris.postmaster.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 445 Lines: 12 Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk wrote: > | >There is BDOS, which seems from what I've heard, to be good is some > | >respects > | >but fails because it does not allow you to use the hard drive as one > | space. > | > | But what it loses in that, it gains in the fact that it uses existing > | commands instead of CALL's. > > Fine, if you don't want to use a hard drive like a /real/ hard drive. Yawn! It is hard work isn't it, to type one command. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 31 17:12:04 1998 Message-ID: <35EB39AB.7F0E@persona.clara.net> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 17:02:51 -0700 From: David Organization: The foundation of green eggs and ham X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: I'm new here. References: <80256671.003FE60D.00@osiris.postmaster.co.uk> <35EAC7B7.7AE819BD@purple.dircon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 574 Lines: 18 Gavin Smith wrote: > > Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk wrote: > > > All I pointed out, and it is something that you cannot deny, is that if > > just a > > few of the people on this list had provided Nev with even a little bit of > > help > > the HDOS would be a lot better than it is. > > Oh joy, Mr Get-along-with-everyone is back. Okay, if you want to start a > damn stupid arguement, just what the hell did you do to help HDOS? What > exactly did you code? > > Gavin For all he's willing to admit... he could have done all of it! (Not that I'm accusing you Nev, honest ;) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 31 23:38:08 1998 From: Peter Harkess To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 23:34:05 +0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Subject: z80 snaps MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 217 Lines: 11 Hello, Does anybody know how i can get .z80 snaps back on to the spectrum? Kind regards -- Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen. -- Albert Einstein cheers Peter Harkess From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Sep 1 04:59:31 1998 Message-ID: <19980901035706.29375.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [205.217.16.143] From: Simon Cooke To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: z80 snaps Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 20:57:04 PDT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1664 Lines: 43 >also: >if anyone is seriously (as in, actually) considering porting simcoupe to >native win32 code then i will be HAPPY (read: willing, and (possibly) >able) to help. especially doing the bits that no-one else would probably >want to do (eg, sound) Well, I've started on it - initially in MFC, but I think I'm going to switch to native Win32 with a C and C++ mix. Direct X 3 for the graphics should let it work on NT 4 and Win 95; though the initial development is using DIB's and BITBLT to get things to work (it's slower, but it's a catch-all; it'll work on anything). It's also using memory-mapped files for the graphics to make things nearly as fast as using Direct X (as long as it's not stretching the screen). I've not run any speed tests yet, but it appears to be OK showing the SAM palette. If you're interested in emulating the SAA1099, feel free -- but I recommend that you use 1/50th of a second-long buffers (two of them - one to play, one to fill; maybe one more just in case), and make it user-definable exactly what size they are; 44.25kHZ would be nice; 22.x kHZ would probably be the lower limit for good quality. Consider also allowing samples to be emulated; I'm going to put something in the display code to handle that; it'll give you an offset in ms for the current sample (or something). The only thing that I ask is that you: (a) define an API (b) tell me what it is (c) stick to it as much as possible And try to keep your code as black-boxy as possible, so that I can just plug it in. Thanks :) Simon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com