From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Thu Oct  1 13:30:31 1998
From: The Mad Goose <j.d.teare@uclan.ac.uk>
Organization: University of Central Lancashire
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Date: 	Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:09:53 GMT+0
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> The Mad Goose wrote:
> > 
> > I might have a bash at it sometime this week - there's a very
> > basic copy (Graham's original, I think) up on my site atm, but
> > it's years old.
> 
> Np. Perhaps u should post up any specfic queries on here... if
> there's anyone alive round here you should be able to fill up some
> gaps.

Well, a comprehensive list of  companies still active in the SAM 
scene would be nice. Is there any such thing kicking around?

Peace, Love, Kisses...
JohnnaPig Teare
JPOL: http://www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna
"Living in a new world, thinking in the past..."

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Fri Oct  2 07:44:26 1998
From: Edwin Blink <e.p.r.p.blink@pl.hanze.nl>
Organization: Hanzehogeschool Groningen
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Who else is going to the SAM/Spectrum meeting in Bunnik  tommorow ?
 
I'm going defenitely !

Edwin Blink.

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Fri Oct  2 11:03:34 1998
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> Van: Edwin Blink <e.p.r.p.blink@pl.hanze.nl>
> Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no
> Onderwerp: Meeting in Holland
> Datum: Friday, October 02, 1998 9:36
> 
> Who else is going to the SAM/Spectrum meeting in Bunnik  tommorow ?
>  
> I'm going defenitely !
> 
<AOL>
me too
</AOL>

And so is Martijn, and I guess that Johan Koele is comming as well

 --
Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics
[rjvveeke@caiw.nl]
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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sat Oct  3 06:20:32 1998
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>Who else is going to the SAM/Spectrum meeting in Bunnik  tommorow ?
> 
>I'm going defenitely !

Alas, a bit too far for me to make it :)

Simon

ps. Regarding the sound stuff for the Windows port of SIM Coupe -- Dave, 
can you send me the info for your interface at simcooke@microsoft.com, 
as in all my moving around, I've kind of lost quite a few emails 
(including Hotmail ones I carelessly deleted by accident).


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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sat Oct  3 07:18:56 1998
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From: Robert van der Veeke <RJV.Veeke.NL.Sam.Coupe@caiw.nl>
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> Van: Simon Cooke <spectecjr@hotmail.com>
> Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no
> Onderwerp: Re: Meeting in Holland & Sound stuff
> Datum: Saturday, October 03, 1998 6:17
> 
> 
> >Who else is going to the SAM/Spectrum meeting in Bunnik  tommorow ?
> > 
> >I'm going defenitely !
> 
> Alas, a bit too far for me to make it :)

simcooke@microsoft.com

sounds almost like

simcoupe@microsoft.com

Quite a thrilling idea

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Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics
[rjvveeke@caiw.nl]
Currently listening to : Saving Private Ryan

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sat Oct  3 14:36:45 1998
From: Dean Liversidge <dean@error.demon.co.uk>
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On 3 Oct 98, at 8:07, Robert van der Veeke wrote:
> 
> simcooke@microsoft.com
> 
> sounds almost like
> 
> simcoupe@microsoft.com
> 
> Quite a thrilling idea
> 

Yeah, I thought that too.

Talking of Sim Coupe, Allan, have you done any more with SimCoupe yet???

Any chance of Hard Drive emulation ???

Has anybody build SimCoupe/Xcoupe on Linux?
I've just started playing with Linux, and wanted to try the emulator, 
but I cant get the X-Windows version to run properly, This display is 
small and sort of wrong colour, as though the video memory is in the 
wrong mode?

Any Ideas, you Linux geniusi'


-- 
Dean Liversidge

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sat Oct  3 22:26:44 1998
From: Maria Rookyard <Rookyard@btinternet.com>
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> simcooke@microsoft.com
> 
> sounds almost like
> 
> simcoupe@microsoft.com
> 
> Quite a thrilling idea
> 
>  --
> Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics

I just thought he'd forgotten how to spell his own name ;)

Maria.

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Mon Oct  5 09:01:29 1998
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From: Allan Skillman <askillma@cambridge.arm.com>
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Hello All,

Boy its been a long time since I posted to this group. Hope everyone is
well. 

> > simcoupe@microsoft.com
> > 
> > Quite a thrilling idea
> > 

Not if I can help it ;) BTW how are things going in Redmond Simon,
settling in OK?

> Talking of Sim Coupe, Allan, have you done any more with SimCoupe yet???

Um, bows head in shame, The last time I did any coding was about 2 months
ago. Its a nightmare trying to get some time in between doing up the
kitchen, and work. I did manage to incorporate Aley's US keyboard code
and BIOS printer support (which doesn't work yet) into version 0.79
(unreleased). I'll try to get it out as soon as possible.

> Any chance of Hard Drive emulation ???

Do you mean ATOM emulation? I did talk to Edward about this. The IDE
interface is more complicated than the FDI. He gave me the hardware specs,
but what I really need is some documented assembly which accesses the
basic operations. 

> Has anybody build SimCoupe/Xcoupe on Linux?
> I've just started playing with Linux, and wanted to try the emulator, 
> but I cant get the X-Windows version to run properly, This display is 
> small and sort of wrong colour, as though the video memory is in the 
> wrong mode?

The Last UNIX release I made was probably 0.72, which is pretty old. 
Unfortunately DOS versions are so fiddly to do I never got around to 
releasing a newer version. Hopefully with Simon taking up the challenge
on a Win32 version I might be able to get back to the UNIX version.

Back to your problem. Are you using a 16 or 24 bits per pixel display?
SimCoupe works best with an 8bit display. It does have support for the
higher display depths, but I'm not sure whether they work very well. At
the time I only had access to machines with 8bit displays.

Allan


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| ARM                          | sideways, sex-appeal and peppermint."     |
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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Mon Oct  5 10:08:17 1998
Subject: Re: Meeting in Holland & Sound stuff
To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no
Date: 	Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:03:46 +0100 (BST)
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> Do you mean ATOM emulation? I did talk to Edward about this. The IDE
> interface is more complicated than the FDI. He gave me the hardware specs,
> but what I really need is some documented assembly which accesses the
> basic operations. 
>

If BDOS is pretty much the only (useful) program that uses the hard
drive, is there any point in doing register-level emulation of
the IDE controller? Would it not be possible to tweak BDOS and
insert some quasi opcodes?

Andy

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Mon Oct  5 18:33:21 1998
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Just to confirm.

The glos show is week saturday (17th)

Doors open 10ish?

Pub Lunch noon-ish

Is there a "discussion" in the afternoon to encourage us back from the
pub?

I should be able to put in an appearance now, though probably not all day
(too many things to do that weekend....) so am trying to pick the better
half ;)

.............................................................................@/
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		    http://www.mono.org/~unc/

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Mon Oct  5 19:57:24 1998
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>Just to confirm.
>
>The glos show is week saturday (17th)
>
>Doors open 10ish?
>
>Pub Lunch noon-ish
>
>Is there a "discussion" in the afternoon to encourage us back from the
>pub?
>
>I should be able to put in an appearance now, though probably not all 
day
>(too many things to do that weekend....) so am trying to pick the 
better
>half ;)


Agghhhh aggghhhhh aggghhhh...

Yet another show missed. Damn.


Are any of the more games-orientated members of the mailing list making 
their way over to the states for an ECTS or an E3 at any time soon? 
Preferably on the west coast so that I can fly/drive down to see you?

;)

Si

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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Mon Oct  5 23:29:27 1998
From: Dean Liversidge <dean@error.demon.co.uk>
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On 5 Oct 98, at 9:02, Allan Skillman wrote:

> Hello All,
> 
> 
> > Talking of Sim Coupe, ...........
> 
> The Last UNIX release I made was probably 0.72, which is pretty old. 
> Unfortunately DOS versions are so fiddly to do I never got around to 
> releasing a newer version. Hopefully with Simon taking up the challenge
> on a Win32 version I might be able to get back to the UNIX version.
> 
> Back to your problem. Are you using a 16 or 24 bits per pixel display?
> SimCoupe works best with an 8bit display. It does have support for the
> higher display depths, but I'm not sure whether they work very well. At
> the time I only had access to machines with 8bit displays.

As it happens, i am using 16bit colour, i'll try it in 8-bit and see, i 
get a simmilar problem trying to run xquake.
It's likely to be something i'm not doing, i've only just got into 
Linux, and as you do, only reading half the docs :)

Thanks.

-- 
Dean Liversidge

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Tue Oct  6 10:42:37 1998
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In a message dated 05/10/98  17:29:19, you write:

>
>Just to confirm.
>
>The glos show is week saturday (17th)

Yes.
>
>Doors open 10ish?

Yes.
>
>Pub Lunch noon-ish

Food? What is that?
>
>Is there a "discussion" in the afternoon to encourage us back from the
>pub?

Not planned at the moment, but could be.
>
>I should be able to put in an appearance now, though probably not all day
>(too many things to do that weekend....) so am trying to pick the better
>half ;)

Ah, you looking for a wife are you :)

-- 
Bob.

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Tue Oct  6 11:05:47 1998
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> >The glos show is week saturday (17th)
>
> Yes.

D'oh!

Might not be able to make this one chaps, as I might be overseas.

Dan.

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From: Lee Willis <lee@gbdirect.co.uk>
Date: 	06 Oct 1998 10:59:43 +0100
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BrenchleyR@aol.com writes:

> In a message dated 05/10/98  17:29:19, you write:
> 
> >Pub Lunch noon-ish
> 
> Food? What is that?

You mean you go to pub lunches for food?

Tsk. Disgraceful behaviour :)

Lee.
-- 
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For some reason my mom insists on calling it "Playing with blocks"

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Tue Oct  6 20:35:21 1998
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Hi all,

ECTS & E3 have only happened in the last few months, so it will be a long
time before the next shows.  I had tickets for ECTS (as did everyone where
I work!) but I never went.

Oh yeah, ECTS is usually held in London not the states, and the last E3
show was in Atlanta if I remember correctly.

Is there anyone else who made it as a 'professional' games programmer?

-ADRIAN-

At 11:53 05/10/98 PDT, Simon Cooke wrote:
>
>
>
>Agghhhh aggghhhhh aggghhhh...
>
>Yet another show missed. Damn.
>
>
>Are any of the more games-orientated members of the mailing list making 
>their way over to the states for an ECTS or an E3 at any time soon? 
>Preferably on the west coast so that I can fly/drive down to see you?
>
>;)
>
>Si
>
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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Tue Oct  6 21:09:41 1998
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On 6 Oct 98, at 10:59, Lee Willis wrote:

> BrenchleyR@aol.com writes:
> 
> > In a message dated 05/10/98  17:29:19, you write:
> > 
> > >Pub Lunch noon-ish
> > 
> > Food? What is that?
> 
> You mean you go to pub lunches for food?

For food, erm, No !


-- 
Dean Liversidge

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Wed Oct  7 15:23:34 1998
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From: dave hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK>
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> Um, bows head in shame, The last time I did any coding was about 2 months
> ago. Its a nightmare trying to get some time in between doing up the
> kitchen, and work. I did manage to incorporate Aley's US keyboard code
> and BIOS printer support (which doesn't work yet) into version 0.79
> (unreleased). I'll try to get it out as soon as possible.

i know this is an old story, but...
any ideas why i cannot get simcoupe to compile?
i have latest djgpp and gcc and all that, but when i try to run the 
finished product it just crashes... (both v078 and v078a sources do 
this)


dave

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Wed Oct  7 15:23:37 1998
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> Is there anyone else who made it as a 'professional' games programmer?

not yet... here's hoping. thought i'd graduate first.

dave
dave

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>
>Is there anyone else who made it as a 'professional' games programmer?

I have. :) 

Will.
>

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Thu Oct  8 23:29:46 1998
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I was wondering, recieved Freddisk 82 (should be Fred 83) earlier this
week.

Anyone else? Comments? anything?

I was thinking about re-sub..

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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Fri Oct  9 01:33:10 1998
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So? Anything exciting at this show?

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Fri Oct  9 20:27:50 1998
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>Is there anyone else who made it as a 'professional' games programmer?

Yep ...

Game Gear  - Yogi Bear , Zoop
Psx - Zoop , Sentinel Returns ,  Assault (LATEST)

Doing N64 and DREAMCAST at moo

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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sat Oct 10 07:11:51 1998
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>>Is there anyone else who made it as a 'professional' games programmer?
>
>I have. :) 

Not me... I traded it all in for the infamy* of working for Microsoft.

Mind you, it's fun :)

Current project: Controls for VJ++

Simon

*You know, as in "infamy! infamy! They've all got it infamy!"

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>Game Gear  - Yogi Bear , Zoop
>Psx - Zoop , Sentinel Returns ,  Assault (LATEST)
>
>Doing N64 and DREAMCAST at moo

See if you can get some kind of major bug in the WinCE subsystem, so 
that you can get a free trip to Seattle :)

Si

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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sat Oct 10 08:07:02 1998
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Bob Brenchley <BrenchleyR@aol.com> schreef in artikel
<361e681f.307305@news.clara.net>...
> On Thu, 08 Oct 1998 19:34:22 GMT on this learned newsgroup
> mr.green@the.martian.madhouse wrote:

> >That still doesn't answer the copyright question.
> 
> Ah, ok, yes, sorry, I got tooooo busy on one strand and forgot the
> other one.
> 
> Full versions of the Amstrad game were purchased on the open market.
> The discs (3 inch) or tapes were then scrapped and replaced with SAM
> discs. In this way there was no defrauding of the original copyright
> owner.

Right, now this is something I would like to see you explaining to a judge
when you have been charged with copyright infrigements. Bob this is plain
fraud and theft, no matter how you explain it.

Usually you are just shooting yourself in your foot, but it looks like you
have blown of a leg this time, and you can't stand on one.

Sjeesh, and here is someone complaining about me that I reposted a
insulting email to the Sam-mailing list, that the person (Bill Ritman, only
known on the list and nowhere else on the intire internet) in question has
to give me permission to use his insulting email pointed at me in public.

You probably will not answer me because i am still in your killfilter, but
i am going to take it to the list anyway, and don't come with that crappy
copyright stuff about taking this from a public forum to another public
forum to me.

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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sat Oct 10 08:07:19 1998
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In message <199810082224.AAA10986@mailserv.caiw.nl>, Robert van der
Veeke <RJV.Veeke.NL.Sam.Coupe@caiw.nl> writes
>I was wondering, recieved Freddisk 82 (should be Fred 83) earlier this
>week.
>
>Anyone else? Comments? anything?

I did, and I'm grateful as it's allowed me to use the word "nadir" for
the first time. :(

Graham Goring

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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sat Oct 10 20:37:29 1998
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Graham Goring wrote:
> 
> In message <199810082224.AAA10986@mailserv.caiw.nl>, Robert van der
> Veeke <RJV.Veeke.NL.Sam.Coupe@caiw.nl> writes
> >I was wondering, recieved Freddisk 82 (should be Fred 83) earlier this
> >week.
> >
> >Anyone else? Comments? anything?
> 
> I did, and I'm grateful as it's allowed me to use the word "nadir" for
> the first time. :(
> 
> Graham Goring
> 

Well, as far as I can see it completely goes against your "Fred is dead"
styled comments only a short time ago.

And as for any detractors for the issue, I think GB should only be
commended for getting an issue out at all!

I've at least renewed my Fred sub (okay, I never actually had one, but I
have now!) so instead of just wining about it.... contribute!

And that goes for everyone!

(And if you dont want to contribute/Sub to Fred - there's always Blitz
;)

David

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sat Oct 10 20:57:56 1998
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Robert van der Veeke wrote:
> > >That still doesn't answer the copyright question.
> >
> > Ah, ok, yes, sorry, I got tooooo busy on one strand and forgot the
> > other one.
> >
> > Full versions of the Amstrad game were purchased on the open market.
> > The discs (3 inch) or tapes were then scrapped and replaced with SAM
> > discs. In this way there was no defrauding of the original copyright
> > owner.
> 
> Right, now this is something I would like to see you explaining to a judge
> when you have been charged with copyright infrigements. Bob this is plain
> fraud and theft, no matter how you explain it.
> 
> Usually you are just shooting yourself in your foot, but it looks like you
> have blown of a leg this time, and you can't stand on one.
> 
> Sjeesh, and here is someone complaining about me that I reposted a
> insulting email to the Sam-mailing list, that the person (Bill Ritman, only
> known on the list and nowhere else on the intire internet) in question has
> to give me permission to use his insulting email pointed at me in public.
> 
> You probably will not answer me because i am still in your killfilter, but
> i am going to take it to the list anyway, and don't come with that crappy
> copyright stuff about taking this from a public forum to another public
> forum to me.

Okay, well I can soon see the sparks flying again with regards to
quoting the above again, but ....

AFAIK the Spectrum version has been released as PD on the Internet via
Ian Bell (as well as the others), but the copyright also belongs to
David Braben, who (despite the rave reviews of V2000 ;) is notoriously
protective about his work.

I really wonder how it does stand with regards to him? Technically, as
the SAM version is only a patched Speccy one, it could be okay ... but
it is a funny position.

Oh well, just my tuppence worth ;)

David

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Has the SAM Clock actually been released by Format?
Or, far that matter, the SRAM?

David

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sat Oct 10 21:56:34 1998
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> Van: David <david@persona.clara.net>
> Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no
> Onderwerp: Re: Copyrights still apply?
> Datum: Sunday, October 11, 1998 4:50

> AFAIK the Spectrum version has been released as PD on the Internet via
> Ian Bell (as well as the others), but the copyright also belongs to
> David Braben, who (despite the rave reviews of V2000 ;) is notoriously
> protective about his work.
> 
> I really wonder how it does stand with regards to him? Technically, as
> the SAM version is only a patched Speccy one, it could be okay ... but
> it is a funny position.

But the patched version on the Sam can't be called PD, right? Mr. Brenchley
wrote in publice that he sold it as being a so-called official copyrighted
version. You still need permission from the copyright holders or a license
to sell a patched Sam-version.

Selling a Sam version of Elite in a Amstrad box just because you have to
happen to have a large stock of Amstrad versions does not make it a legal
version. Unless you have a permission or bought a license to sell it in
this way, something of wich I have my doubts as usual.

> Full versions of the Amstrad game were purchased on the open market.
> The discs (3 inch) or tapes were then scrapped and replaced with SAM
> discs. In this way there was no defrauding of the original copyright
> owner.

Just a reminder, your words Bob.... You wrote this in a public forum, not a
smart move, it was better if you had kept it silent. But that is to late
now.

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PersonaHQ@aol.com wrote:
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Hello Malcolm, 

Not quite the right subbing instructions ;)

David

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sun Oct 11 01:29:48 1998
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>I really wonder how it does stand with regards to him? Technically, as
>the SAM version is only a patched Speccy one, it could be okay ... but
>it is a funny position.

Nah - it's being sold for profit; this is the kind of thing that David 
Braben would get stroppy about.

Also, Bob said:

>> > Full versions of the Amstrad game were purchased on the open 
market.
>> > The discs (3 inch) or tapes were then scrapped and replaced with 
SAM
>> > discs. In this way there was no defrauding of the original 
copyright
>> > owner.

This is actually illegal; the purchaser of the SAM version must own the 
Amstrad version - that is, they must receive the magnetic media on which 
the game was originally distributed - for the license to use the 
software to be assigned to them. Destroying the media just means that 
you can distribute it as if it fell off the back of a lorry.

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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sun Oct 11 05:47:49 1998
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Simon Cooke wrote:
> 
> >I really wonder how it does stand with regards to him? Technically, as
> >the SAM version is only a patched Speccy one, it could be okay ... but
> >it is a funny position.
> 
> Nah - it's being sold for profit; this is the kind of thing that David
> Braben would get stroppy about.

Well I understand by reputation he's an incredibly nice, approachable,
reasonable person. Not!
 
> Also, Bob said:
> 
> >> > Full versions of the Amstrad game were purchased on the open
> market.
> >> > The discs (3 inch) or tapes were then scrapped and replaced with
> SAM
> >> > discs. In this way there was no defrauding of the original
> copyright
> >> > owner.
> 
> This is actually illegal; the purchaser of the SAM version must own the
> Amstrad version - that is, they must receive the magnetic media on which
> the game was originally distributed - for the license to use the
> software to be assigned to them. Destroying the media just means that
> you can distribute it as if it fell off the back of a lorry.

Does including the original packaging - in the light of the disks
apparently being sold on seperately - come to the same thing?

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sun Oct 11 15:25:11 1998
Subject: PC keyboard I/face
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I spent last week designing the pcb for my SAM pc
keyboard interface, and I've done it as an internal
device (saves components, pcb area, and an expansion
slot) but I was just wondering whether the soldering
is likely to put many SAM users off... there's no
track-scratching or anything, just 20 or so wires
to solder to spots on the main SAM pcb. Too tricky?
I could always do an external one later, if there's
any call for it, I suppose....

Andy


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Andrew Gale wrote:
> 
> I spent last week designing the pcb for my SAM pc
> keyboard interface, and I've done it as an internal
> device (saves components, pcb area, and an expansion
> slot) but I was just wondering whether the soldering
> is likely to put many SAM users off... there's no
> track-scratching or anything, just 20 or so wires
> to solder to spots on the main SAM pcb. Too tricky?
> I could always do an external one later, if there's
> any call for it, I suppose....
> 
> Andy

Well done anyway!

David

Hmmm... I've got a PC keyboard doing nothing... but it's some weird
one with built in speaker and microphone...

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Mon Oct 12 05:42:10 1998
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>> This is actually illegal; the purchaser of the SAM version must own 
the
>> Amstrad version - that is, they must receive the magnetic media on 
which
>> the game was originally distributed - for the license to use the
>> software to be assigned to them. Destroying the media just means that
>> you can distribute it as if it fell off the back of a lorry.
>
>Does including the original packaging - in the light of the disks
>apparently being sold on seperately - come to the same thing?

Nope -- the boxes could have been surplus from the printers.

You need the media - end of story. (Look at what happens with Arcade 
emulators - you can keep copies of the ROMs, if you have the original 
ROMs - not if you have an arcade machine which has been stripped -- same 
goes for the MacOS ROMs)

Simon

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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Mon Oct 12 08:45:05 1998
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From: Allan Skillman <askillma@cambridge.arm.com>
To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no
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Hi Simon,

> See if you can get some kind of major bug in the WinCE subsystem, so 
> that you can get a free trip to Seattle :)

Like you need to put a bug in??? Beleive me I've seen some of the source
code to Windows CE v2.10. Nasty.

Allan

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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Mon Oct 12 13:00:25 1998
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From: PersonaHQ@aol.com
Return-path: <PersonaHQ@aol.com>
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Subject: info & views
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 05:47:15 EDT
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Hello to you all,
The recent debate about ELITE is a little bit confusing!
If any one had a legitimate gripe about it I`m sure they would have done
something about it by now (asuming they could afford it that is), as far as
I`m concerned the game would benifit very little from improved graphics/sound,
as its the game play that makes ELITE, and if this is the only way that some
of the SAM users can get the game then it is better than nothing at all.
As for myself I made a snapshot of my original Speccy version.
If anyone is interested and wants to know more about ELITE then I suggest they
get in touch with Jim Gregory (Hand Made Software) as I am told that he did
the original source code for ELITE.
There has been a lot of questions/talk of hard drives and the like.
The ATOM  IDE interface designed by EDWIN BLINK , was designed for the SAM and
works!
B-DOS is a fully functional DOS, but is being updated on a regular basis, as
no product is perfect (Masterdos,Samdos,SamRom are all bug ridden and sold as
finished products).
There is now an AUTO BOOT ROM for use with the ATOM interface (see SIMON it
can be done).
The ATOM interface has been tested with a CD ROM using ATAPI drivers, and
files have been taken from CD to Hard Drive.
The ATOM supports two hard drives (master & slave).
All file type`s can be saved and loaded from hard drive (as far as I know that
is!).
There is also a three way joystick splitter (with no conflicts) but thie
production of this item has been put to one side to concentrate on more
important things, like the ATOM.
A three up and four up (known as APE 3, APE 4) are also being produced with
power socket and sterio jack socket.
Internal clock (requires 16 solder points) and an external clock are also
available.
B-Dos supports the SAM clock chip and the DALLAS clock chip.
I hope all this information is of some use(this is not an ADVERT, although it
does look like one).

The next NSSS will be held in HORIWICH near BOLTON on the 28th of NOVEMBER,
hope to see you there!
M.D.L.M 

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On Sat, 10 Oct 1998, Graham Goring wrote:

> I did, and I'm grateful as it's allowed me to use the word "nadir" for
> the first time. :(

I picked a good time to let my sub lapse, then?

(Assuming this mail makes it onto the list, of course.)


From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Mon Oct 12 18:50:11 1998
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Paul Walker wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 10 Oct 1998, Graham Goring wrote:
> 
> > I did, and I'm grateful as it's allowed me to use the word "nadir" for
> > the first time. :(
> 
> I picked a good time to let my sub lapse, then?
> 
> (Assuming this mail makes it onto the list, of course.)

No you didn't.

Freddisk 82 is not at all bad, and if people can be bothered to
contribute to future issues... instead of complaining... it has (from
what I've seen) a lot more potential under the new management.

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Mon Oct 12 22:51:31 1998
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When actually is the show? It started at the middle of October and 
it seems has been gradually pushed back again and again. What is 
happening?

Thanks,

MJC.

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Tue Oct 13 01:11:00 1998
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Matthew Craven wrote:
> 
> When actually is the show? It started at the middle of October and
> it seems has been gradually pushed back again and again. What is
> happening?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> MJC.

See http://nsss.home.ml.org/ for details of the NSSS - if that's the one
u mean.

David

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Wed Oct 14 13:06:14 1998
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In message <3622AF7A.78F9@persona.clara.net>, David
<david@persona.clara.net> writes
>No you didn't.

Yes he did. I'm sorry, but seeing as everyone is quite simply too lazy
or too busy to do anything for the SAM in their free time now, I'm not
sure that there's really a place for FRED in the market.

>Freddisk 82 is not at all bad, and if people can be bothered to
>contribute to future issues... instead of complaining... it has (from
>what I've seen) a lot more potential under the new management.

Well, I'd agree that the new management is better, but seeing a 6
year old build of The Bulgulators on the disk doesn't exactly fill
me with confidence. Like I said, people are too lazy/busy. I fall
into both categories myself...

Graham Goring

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In message <36205FD3.3709@persona.clara.net>, David
<david@persona.clara.net> writes
>PersonaHQ@aol.com wrote:
>> 
>> subscribe
>
>Hello Malcolm, 
>
>Not quite the right subbing instructions ;)

In which case he probably didn't see this message... :)

Graham Goring

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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Wed Oct 14 13:06:27 1998
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Date: 	Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:36:50 +0100
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In message <36202667.5383@persona.clara.net>, David
<david@persona.clara.net> writes
>Well, as far as I can see it completely goes against your "Fred is dead"
>styled comments only a short time ago.

Um, considering that the issue appears to be made up of bits from old
issues I'll append my statement to more of a Frankenstein-Style undead
then, shall I?

Graham Goring

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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Wed Oct 14 13:06:28 1998
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In message <5740783a.3621ed80@aol.com>, PersonaHQ@aol.com writes
>Hello to you all,
>The recent debate about ELITE is a little bit confusing!
>If any one had a legitimate gripe about it I`m sure they would have done
>something about it by now (asuming they could afford it that is), as far as
>I`m concerned the game would benifit very little from improved graphics/sound,
>as its the game play that makes ELITE, and if this is the only way that some
>of the SAM users can get the game then it is better than nothing at all.
>As for myself I made a snapshot of my original Speccy version.

Of course it'd benefit! Better graphics=better immersion!

Graham Goring

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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Wed Oct 14 13:06:43 1998
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In message <19981012043622.9473.qmail@hotmail.com>, Simon Cooke
<spectecjr@hotmail.com> writes
>Nope -- the boxes could have been surplus from the printers.
>
>You need the media - end of story. (Look at what happens with Arcade 
>emulators - you can keep copies of the ROMs, if you have the original 
>ROMs - not if you have an arcade machine which has been stripped -- same 
>goes for the MacOS ROMs)

Ooh! Good comparison that man!

Graham Goring

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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Wed Oct 14 15:08:38 1998
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I have NO idea what just happened with my E-mail, but sorry about all
of that!

Graham Goring

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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Wed Oct 14 15:44:57 1998
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Just to start the traditional thread....

Who's going to Quedgeley on Saturday? Is anybody starting out from the
south-east of England?

I probably couldn't arrive much earlier than lunchtime, if I went by train.
That's after leaving Cambridge at 7.45 and hanging about in London for an
hour...

Andrew

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From imc Wed Oct 14 15:47:08 1998
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On 	Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:31:10 +0100, Andrew Collier said:
> Who's going to Quedgeley on Saturday? Is anybody starting out from the
> south-east of England?

Mr Skillman?

imc

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Date: 	14 Oct 1998 15:48:45 +0100
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Andrew Collier <asc25@cam.ac.uk> writes:

> Who's going to Quedgeley on Saturday? Is anybody starting out from the
> south-east of England?

Erm, nope, sorry, got to go buy a car :)

> I probably couldn't arrive much earlier than lunchtime, if I went by train.
> That's after leaving Cambridge at 7.45 and hanging about in London for an
> hour...

So you'll be arriving just as the pub opens ... Convenient :)

Lee.
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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Wed Oct 14 16:51:01 1998
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Hi All,
> On 	Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:31:10 +0100, Andrew Collier said:
> > Who's going to Quedgeley on Saturday? Is anybody starting out from the
> > south-east of England?
> 
> Mr Skillman?
> 

South-east of England, yes, but 50 miles west of Cambridge. Are you going
Ian?

Allan

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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Wed Oct 14 18:43:00 1998
From: Matthew Craven <mcbi6mc2@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk>
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> Who's going to Quedgeley on Saturday? Is anybody starting out from the
> south-east of England?

I thought it was in the North?

MJC. 

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At 6:36 pm +0100 14/10/98, Matthew Craven wrote:
>> Who's going to Quedgeley on Saturday? Is anybody starting out from the
>> south-east of England?
>
>I thought it was in the North?

I'm in Cambridge. East Anglia.

Andrew

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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Wed Oct 14 21:33:21 1998
Message-ID: <36257710.7D60@persona.clara.net>
Date: 	Wed, 14 Oct 1998 21:16:17 -0700
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Graham Goring wrote:
> 
> In message <36202667.5383@persona.clara.net>, David
> <david@persona.clara.net> writes
> >Well, as far as I can see it completely goes against your "Fred is dead"
> >styled comments only a short time ago.
> 
> Um, considering that the issue appears to be made up of bits from old
> issues I'll append my statement to more of a Frankenstein-Style undead
> then, shall I?
> 
> Graham Goring
> 
> --

Well you said it about being lazy didn't you?

>From what I understand, material was sent to Darren which wasn't even
forwarded to George - and this obviously could have gone in the issue.

So, as usual, you complain but are busy sitting doing fuck all.

No wonder the SAM is dying on it's feet. There are those that do, and
those that can't be arsed.

Prove me wrong.

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Wed Oct 14 22:14:39 1998
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Matthew Craven wrote:
> 
> > Who's going to Quedgeley on Saturday? Is anybody starting out from the
> > south-east of England?
> 
> I thought it was in the North?
> 
> MJC.

NO! That's the NSSS.

see http://nsss.home.ml.org/  for details

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Thu Oct 15 01:06:41 1998
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On Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:31:10 +0100 Thu, 15 Oct 98 00:52:37 BST, Andrew
Collier <asc25@cam.ac.uk> wrote:

>Just to start the traditional thread....
>
>Who's going to Quedgeley on Saturday? Is anybody starting out from the
>south-east of England?

Sorry but fuckit. I mean fuckit but sorry. Ooops, I mean no.

Sadbastardwhocallshimeslfsamsgod

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Hello sam users

What's the point of the show now?

There's nothing new there anymore. The only real attraction is to see
a few old friends. We can do that anywhere.

It just isn't worth putting yourself out by making impressive software
or hardware, because all your efforts are beholden to the judgment of
a fat and blobulistic autocratic despot. It's fucking true, believe
me. 

Samsgod - (or)

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Thu Oct 15 03:08:25 1998
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In message <36257710.7D60@persona.clara.net>, David
<david@persona.clara.net> writes
>Well you said it about being lazy didn't you?

Yep. I did. :)

>From what I understand, material was sent to Darren which wasn't even
>forwarded to George - and this obviously could have gone in the issue.

Ah, that's not exactly my fault though, is it?

>So, as usual, you complain but are busy sitting doing fuck all.

Woo-hoo-hoo! I've never SEEN David riled before. I imagine it's kinda'
like an angry ginger hamster. Can anyone confirm? ;)

>No wonder the SAM is dying on it's feet. There are those that do, and
>those that can't be arsed.

Everything has a finite life-time. The SAM had a pretty good one by
today's standards. Using it and being an active member of it's
community (when there was a community, as opposed to a desolate artic
camp in the middle of a wind-swept glacier) was absolutley fantastic.
But I think it's time to admit that the SAM has really and truly run
it's course. Now I won't begrudge anyone's efforts to try and organise
things, but the fact is that a lot of people who bought SAM's where
moving on up from other 8-bits, and they aren't really around in the
market place anymore, and it's perfectly natural to expect people to
move on up again to bigger and better things. It's not really a
conspiracy of laziness, it's life.

>Prove me wrong.

No intention of.

Graham Goring

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In message <36283cb4.1191479@relay.clara.net>, samsgod
<samsgod@davgw.clara.co.uk> writes
>There's nothing new there anymore. The only real attraction is to see
>a few old friends. We can do that anywhere.

Um. Y'know he's got a point. I only go to get old Speccy games and
drink with the SAM crowd.

>It just isn't worth putting yourself out by making impressive software
>or hardware, because all your efforts are beholden to the judgment of
>a fat and blobulistic autocratic despot.

Sorry, I'm a bit thick. Who exactly could you possibly be talking about
in all of creation?

Graham Goring

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>Date:	Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:40:33 +0100
>To:	sam-users@nvg.unit.no
>From:	Graham Goring <graham@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk>
>Subject: Re: subscribing
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>
>In message <36205FD3.3709@persona.clara.net>, David
><david@persona.clara.net> writes
>>PersonaHQ@aol.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> subscribe
>>
>>Hello Malcolm, 
>>
>>Not quite the right subbing instructions ;)
>
>In which case he probably didn't see this message... :)
>
>Graham Goring

I don't know. But I think that it's a White Hole.

Simon





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>Just to start the traditional thread....
>
>Who's going to Quedgeley on Saturday? Is anybody starting out from the
>south-east of England?
>
>I probably couldn't arrive much earlier than lunchtime, if I went by 
train.
>That's after leaving Cambridge at 7.45 and hanging about in London for 
an
>hour...

I wish that I could say that I was starting out from the North West of 
Seattle. Somehow, I don't think I can convince the Mgmt. that it's a 
developer conference I need to attend :)

Simon

ps. I'll be expecting a full report, and everyone to drink a beer on my 
behalf.



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>Well you said it about being lazy didn't you?
>
>From what I understand, material was sent to Darren which wasn't even
>forwarded to George - and this obviously could have gone in the issue.
>
>So, as usual, you complain but are busy sitting doing fuck all.
>
>No wonder the SAM is dying on it's feet. There are those that do, and
>those that can't be arsed.

You forgot "And there are those who work an 80 hour week", Dave.

Simon




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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Thu Oct 15 06:46:45 1998
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And today, in a shock reversal on SAM Users, the modesty index was down, 
and egos were up, though analysts were saying that they were possible 
over inflated, and would go down again later.

;)

Simon

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>Hello sam users
>
>What's the point of the show now?
>
>There's nothing new there anymore. The only real attraction is to see
>a few old friends. We can do that anywhere.
>
>It just isn't worth putting yourself out by making impressive software
>or hardware, because all your efforts are beholden to the judgment of
>a fat and blobulistic autocratic despot. It's fucking true, believe
>me. 

It's a focus. And you can get cheap hardware there.

Though you have a point -- next show's in Seattle -- any takers?

(I wish I could afford the plane tickets to bring you all over :( )

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On Wed, 14 Oct 1998, Simon Cooke wrote:

> I don't know. But I think that it's a White Hole.

No white holes, sorry. I have a White Star, if that's any use?


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On Wed, 14 Oct 1998, David wrote:

> No wonder the SAM is dying on it's feet. There are those that do, and
> those that can't be arsed. Prove me wrong.
 
And those that have better things to do with their available time than
write software or build hardware for a machine that was dead years ago, if
it had had the grace to admit it.


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>> I don't know. But I think that it's a White Hole.
>
>No white holes, sorry. I have a White Star, if that's any use?

>From Red Dwarf to Babylon 5?


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On Thu, 15 Oct 1998 Justin_Skists@case.co.uk wrote:

> >> I don't know. But I think that it's a White Hole.
> >No white holes, sorry. I have a White Star, if that's any use?
> >From Red Dwarf to Babylon 5?

Probably passing through lost in space on the way, but yes.

(arafel@white-star.com)


From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Thu Oct 15 14:24:12 1998
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> Though you have a point -- next show's in Seattle -- any takers?

We have an office in Seattle.

Let me know when you're planning it and I'll ensure the lines into my   
router get a little bit wobbly :-)

Dan.  

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Thu Oct 15 15:20:43 1998
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In message <TFSKRGWU@armature.com>, Dan Doore <dan@armature.com> writes
>> Though you have a point -- next show's in Seattle -- any takers?
>
>We have an office in Seattle.
>
>Let me know when you're planning it and I'll ensure the lines into my   
>router get a little bit wobbly :-)

Call yourself an 8-bit owner? You missed a perfect opportunity to use
the words "oo-er!" and "fnar!" there.

Graham Goring

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At 3:31 pm +0100 14/10/98, Andrew Collier wrote:
>I probably couldn't arrive much earlier than lunchtime, if I went by train.
>That's after leaving Cambridge at 7.45 and hanging about in London for an
>hour...

Ack, it seems I spoke too soon anyway. I've just found out about a meeting
I have to go to, which will wipe out Saturday 17th.

:(

Oh well. Maybe next time?

Andrew

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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Thu Oct 15 18:39:52 1998
From: Maria Rookyard <Rookyard@btinternet.com>
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> From: David <david@persona.clara.net>
> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no
> Subject: Re: Under New Management
> Date: 15 October 1998 05:16
> 
> Graham Goring wrote:
> > 
> > In message <36202667.5383@persona.clara.net>, David
> > <david@persona.clara.net> writes
> > >Well, as far as I can see it completely goes against your "Fred is
dead"
> > >styled comments only a short time ago.
> > 
> > Um, considering that the issue appears to be made up of bits from old
> > issues I'll append my statement to more of a Frankenstein-Style undead
> > then, shall I?
> > 
> > Graham Goring
> > 
> > --
> 
> Well you said it about being lazy didn't you?
> 
> From what I understand, material was sent to Darren which wasn't even
> forwarded to George - and this obviously could have gone in the issue.
> 
> So, as usual, you complain but are busy sitting doing fuck all.
> 
> No wonder the SAM is dying on it's feet. There are those that do, and
> those that can't be arsed.
> 
> Prove me wrong.

It's the sam - *nobody* can be arsed!





From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Thu Oct 15 18:54:14 1998
From: Matthew Craven <mcbi6mc2@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk>
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> NO! That's the NSSS.
> 
> see http://nsss.home.ml.org/  for details

OK - I've got it now.

MJC.
 

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Thu Oct 15 20:28:57 1998
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Simon Cooke wrote:
> 
> >Well you said it about being lazy didn't you?
> >
> >From what I understand, material was sent to Darren which wasn't even
> >forwarded to George - and this obviously could have gone in the issue.
> >
> >So, as usual, you complain but are busy sitting doing fuck all.
> >
> >No wonder the SAM is dying on it's feet. There are those that do, and
> >those that can't be arsed.
> 
> You forgot "And there are those who work an 80 hour week", Dave.
> 
> Simon

Yes, so? 

A) I wasn't reffering to you.
B) I happen to work around 60-70 hours myself, and still manage to
actually turn around a magazine a damn sight more regularly then in the
past ... and even still arse around in the odd coding.

Maybe one of these days I'll finish programming one of my other projects
too ;)

David

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Thu Oct 15 20:37:27 1998
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Simon Cooke wrote:
> 
> And today, in a shock reversal on SAM Users, the modesty index was down,
> and egos were up, though analysts were saying that they were possible
> over inflated, and would go down again later.
> 
> ;)
> 
> Simon
If you mean I'm on the warpath, and am fed up with detractors (who
admittedly have pulled their fingers out sucessfully in the past) when
some people are trying at least...

Perhaps.

David (who would love to go to Gloucester, but looks like he'll be stuck
in a meeting regarding some new Monitor models all sodding day!)

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Thu Oct 15 23:53:03 1998
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 And today, in a shock reversal on SAM Users, the modesty index was 
down,
>> and egos were up, though analysts were saying that they were possible
>> over inflated, and would go down again later.
>> 
>> ;)
>> 
>> Simon
>If you mean I'm on the warpath, and am fed up with detractors (who
>admittedly have pulled their fingers out sucessfully in the past) when
>some people are trying at least...

Ummm... no, actually... I was talking about someone having the username 
Samsgod :) 

Simon



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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Thu Oct 15 23:53:04 1998
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Simon Cooke wrote:

> Ummm... no, actually... I was talking about someone having the username
> Samsgod :)
> 
> Simon

Er, yeah, but I think Samsgod was taking the piss out of a certain other
person, or just SAM people with inflated egos, in general :)
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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Fri Oct 16 00:10:37 1998
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Things are getting a bit worked up on the list again!  I can definitely see
both sides of the argument. Of course people don't have as much time for the
SAM anymore and part of the reason for that is that most of us were teenagers
when we had the time - nowadays we've grown up, got jobs etc., and we don't
have the same time to devote to hobbies. That doesn't mean you can't have your
SAM kicking about your room somewhere, ready to load up the odd disk mag or
whatever once or twice a week. It's just a hobby! You don't have to declare
either undying faith, devotion and love to it, just to call yourself a SAM
owner, nor do you have to suddenly turn round and say, it's all bollocks, and
try and ruin the hobby for everyone else. Let's forget this crap about whether
the SAM is dead or not, that's one for the philosophers. It'll be "alive" for
years, as someone, somewhere in the world will still be using one. 

And of course people don't have the same time to devote to programming for the
SAM. It's a big bad world out there, and no-one is going to make a living from
SAM - that isn't to say that people can't enjoy their hobby AND make a few
quid at the same time, as several people are still doing on the SAM.

I'll admit that I too was thinking that maybe the SAM really was on its last
legs, in terms of numbers of users, but I've been extremely encouraged by the
response to the SAM Community user group which I've started. This was
mentioned in the most recent issues of Fred and Blitz for those who don't know
what it is, and since those articles, I've received, on average, an
application every single day. Even more encouraging is the fact that I haven't
even heard of most of these people. It's easy to think that the members of
this list are the only SAM users left, but I've seen lately that it's simply
not true. There will be a web site up by next week, explaining the SAM
Community in depth. 

So, folks, can we stop bickering again before we drive yet another person
away? If you have no time for the SAM, I think we all perfectly understand,
but some of us still enjoy using our blue footed friend - don't spoil it for
the rest of us eh? Just politely say your goodbyes and leave the rest of us to
it :) 

(Feel free to email me if you want more info on the SAM Community - and before
you start a flame war about how the SAM Community is going to kill this or
that, or how I'm just doing it for money, or how I'm just doing it to inflate
my ego, you might want to read the articles in the disk mags, or wait for the
web site in a few days - it'll save you making a fool of yourself, trust me).
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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Fri Oct 16 01:53:30 1998
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>Simon Cooke wrote:
>
>> Ummm... no, actually... I was talking about someone having the 
username
>> Samsgod :)
>> 
>> Simon
>
>Er, yeah, but I think Samsgod was taking the piss out of a certain 
other
>person, or just SAM people with inflated egos, in general :)

I know. I saw an opening for a joke and went for it.

*sigh*

Simon



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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Fri Oct 16 08:43:27 1998
From: Maria Rookyard <Rookyard@btinternet.com>
To: sam-users <sam-users@nvg.unit.no>
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> >Simon Cooke wrote:
> >
> >> Ummm... no, actually... I was talking about someone having the 
> username Samsgod :)
> >> 
> >> Simon
> >
> >Er, yeah, but I think Samsgod was taking the piss out of a certain 
> other person, or just SAM people with inflated egos, in general :)
> 
> I know. I saw an opening for a joke and went for it.
> 
> *sigh*
> 
> Simon

Simon I think you've just neatly illustrated the main problem in the sam
world today. It's not that people are working/lazy/etc - it's just that
aside from you and me hardly any of them have a sense of humour.

Maria.



From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Fri Oct 16 10:19:33 1998
Subject: Re: State of the SAM and SAM Community
To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no
Date: 	Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:14:25 +0100 (BST)
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I've often wondered whether there's an opening to use the SAM
ASIC in a simple single-board computer for electronics hobbyists...
It would use up those spare ASICs and perhaps encourage people
to devise hardware for the SAM bus.

I was thinking of a stripped down machine on it's own pcb, with
a few (slightly modified) expansion slots -- it could have 256K
RAM (much more than any SBC usually has), an ASIC, a BASIC ROM,
monochrome video (needing just a transistor and a few resistors
to implement, rather than an MC1377P), no sound, and no MIDI - 
thereby saving a few chips but permitting people to add them if
they like, and using a flash memory (approx 512K) for program
storage - much easier and cheaper than a disc drive. Oh, and
a Z80 too! Include a printer port, and use a PC keyboard, and
you'll have something much more fun to use than many of these
microprocessor trainers on the market - how many have video
output? And they all need connecting to a PC to program... this
could be programmed in-situ by lugging a TV and PC keyboard to
the installation. The whole component cost, excluding the
ASIC, could be less than 25 quid.

Perhaps it could prolong the life of the SAM by opening it 
up to a new market?

Andy

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Fri Oct 16 10:30:33 1998
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>I've often wondered whether there's an opening to use the SAM
>ASIC in a simple single-board computer for electronics hobbyists...
>It would use up those spare ASICs and perhaps encourage people
>to devise hardware for the SAM bus.
>
>[snip]
>
>Perhaps it could prolong the life of the SAM by opening it
>up to a new market?

*laughs*

I've been saying this for eons... Bob, Bill, and Samsboss rejected
it then and will certainly reject it now!

(At the time, I was only suggesting a carefully written advert
into certain electronics magazines - not a stripped down SBC)

Justin.




From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Fri Oct 16 11:02:31 1998
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From: Robert van der Veeke <RJV.Veeke.NL.Sam.Coupe@caiw.nl>
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> Van: Maria Rookyard <Rookyard@btinternet.com>
> Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no
> Onderwerp: Re: Samsgod
> Datum: Friday, October 16, 1998 8:18

> Simon I think you've just neatly illustrated the main problem in the sam
> world today. It's not that people are working/lazy/etc - it's just that
> aside from you and me hardly any of them have a sense of humour.

Me a sense of humor?????

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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Fri Oct 16 11:02:34 1998
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From: Robert van der Veeke <RJV.Veeke.NL.Sam.Coupe@caiw.nl>
To: sam-users <sam-users@nvg.unit.no>
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> Van: Andrew Gale <eep2ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk>
> Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no
> Onderwerp: Re: State of the SAM and SAM Community
> Datum: Friday, October 16, 1998 10:14

> Perhaps it could prolong the life of the SAM by opening it 
> up to a new market?

The idea itself is in my opinion a good one, but as Justin already said the
big bloke has no intention of doing anything with Sam (but he could always
come up with some amazing new idea). All he does is barking at the usual
suspects who in his opinion should be coding like mad on proper usefull
software.

If only 1 percent, fnar

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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Fri Oct 16 11:54:34 1998
From: Paul R Walker <csuan@dcs.warwick.ac.uk>
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Question - how many people use this list for anything other than chatting
with friends, currently?

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Fri Oct 16 13:57:44 1998
From: nevilley@nfy53.demon.co.uk (<Nev Young>)
To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no
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Date: 	Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:28:28 GMT
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On Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:14:25 +0100 (BST), Andrew Gale
<eep2ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk> wrote:

> I've often wondered whether there's an opening to use the SAM
> ASIC in a simple single-board computer for electronics hobbyists...
> It would use up those spare ASICs and perhaps encourage people
> to devise hardware for the SAM bus.
> 

<snip>

Bruce did this already.
years ago.

hth


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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Fri Oct 16 13:57:52 1998
From: nevilley@nfy53.demon.co.uk (<Nev Young>)
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On Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:42:43 +0100 (BST), Paul R Walker
<csuan@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> wrote:

> Question - how many people use this list for anything other than chatting
> with friends, currently?

I use it to fill up the empty space on my hard drive.



nb.
That was meant to be humour. ok.



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nevilley@nfy53.demon.co.uk (<Nev Young>) writes:

> On Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:42:43 +0100 (BST), Paul R Walker
> <csuan@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> wrote:
> 
> > Question - how many people use this list for anything other than chatting
> > with friends, currently?
> 
> I use it to fill up the empty space on my hard drive.

You have space on your hard drive? :)

Lee.
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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Fri Oct 16 14:59:31 1998
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Date: 	Fri, 16 Oct 1998 14:47:09 +0100
To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no
From: Graham Goring <graham@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk>
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In message <199810161042.LAA10410@impossible.dcs.warwick.ac.uk>, Paul R
Walker <csuan@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> writes
>Question - how many people use this list for anything other than chatting
>with friends, currently?

I use it to taunt and rile people whilst I laugh merrily and rub myself
with bacon-grease. Yourself?

Graham Goring

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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Fri Oct 16 19:59:53 1998
From: Kevin Cooper <kev@kc.u-net.com>
Organization: Kevin Cooper
Date: 	16 Oct 98 19:50:17 +0000
Subject: Sam show?
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Hi all

I'm still here, lurking.  I'm not with the Sam scene these days, so
don't laugh too much at my question, will you?...

Is there some Sam meeting on soon in Gloucester or wherever they are
held?  If so, when, where, how much etc etc?  I'm sort of interested
in coming down to meet some of you.

Thanks.

Kev.

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Fri Oct 16 23:12:59 1998
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Date: 	Fri, 16 Oct 1998 23:07:36 +0100
To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
From: Ian Dalziel <Ian@idalziel.demon.co.uk>
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In article <E0zU4RK-0003bH-00@tantalum>, Maria Rookyard
<Rookyard@btinternet.com> writes
>aside from you and me hardly any of them have a sense of humour.
>
Do you actually have copyright to use this "sense of humour"? People
with proper businesses to run have been trading on it for some time
(whether they understand it or not) - better not distribute it or you
could find yourself in court.
-- 
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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Fri Oct 16 23:47:10 1998
Message-Id: <199810162244.AAA01533@mailserv.caiw.nl>
From: Robert van der Veeke <RJV.Veeke.NL.Sam.Coupe@caiw.nl>
To: Sam users <sam-users@nvg.unit.no>
Subject: Bwahahahahaaaaa
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(c)1998 R.P.Brenchley. Copyright exists in the contents of this posting.
This posting, either in part or in full, may NOT be used other than as part
of a reply to the newsgroup it appears on and/or in a direct email reply to
the author.

You are amazing Bob.

mata ne

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From imc Fri Oct 16 23:54:44 1998
Subject: Re: Sam show?
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On 	16 Oct 98 19:50:17 +0000, Kevin Cooper said:
> Is there some Sam meeting on soon in Gloucester or wherever they are
> held?  If so, when, where, how much etc etc?

Yes, TOMORROW!  About a couple of quid.  Not looking like there will
be many people there though.

imc

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sat Oct 17 02:24:36 1998
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>I use it to taunt and rile people whilst I laugh merrily and rub myself
>with bacon-grease. Yourself?

I just do the bacon-grease bit...

Simon



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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sat Oct 17 02:24:42 1998
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>Do you actually have copyright to use this "sense of humour"? People
>with proper businesses to run have been trading on it for some time
>(whether they understand it or not) - better not distribute it or you
>could find yourself in court.

Monopolies & Mergers commission?

Nah... We indeed have a duopoly on it. And a patent. You have to pay us 
royalties every time you smile or laugh.

I'm not joking either.

Simon



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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sat Oct 17 15:15:59 1998
Message-ID: <36275507.C5D2891B@purple.dircon.co.uk>
Date: 	Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:15:35 +0100
From: Gavin Smith <gavinsmith@purple.dircon.co.uk>
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Simon Cooke wrote:
> 
> >Simon Cooke wrote:
> >
> >> Ummm... no, actually... I was talking about someone having the
> username
> >> Samsgod :)
> >>
> >> Simon
> >
> >Er, yeah, but I think Samsgod was taking the piss out of a certain
> other
> >person, or just SAM people with inflated egos, in general :)
> 
> I know. I saw an opening for a joke and went for it.
> 
> *sigh*
> 
> Simon

Er, I realise you were just making a joke (at which I laughed) but erm - oh I
can't remember now, it's getting confusing, I think I was just clarifying
things for David :)
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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sat Oct 17 15:47:13 1998
From: nick@the-den.clara.net (Nick Humphries)
To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no
Subject: Hello
Date: 	Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:38:35 GMT
Organization: Nick's Den
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Just a quick "hello" from me - I used to own a strange SAM. It had this kind
of "psychic connection" with its makers - basically it broke when MGT went
under, got repaired by SAMCo, then broke when SAMCo went under. Very strange.

Anyway, I did a few small things on the PD scene: wrote a couple of progs for
FRED and made and sold the overwelmingly underwelming CursorDisk (the venture
made precisely 58p profit). Currently running the YS Rock'n'Roll Years (which
is now slowly covering the SAM scene as it happened).

Hello.

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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sat Oct 17 16:26:52 1998
From: Kevin Cooper <kev@kc.u-net.com>
Organization: Kevin Cooper
Date: 	17 Oct 98 16:20:56 +0000
Subject: Re: Sam show?
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Hi Ian,

> > Is there some Sam meeting on soon in Gloucester or wherever they are
> Yes, TOMORROW!  About a couple of quid.  Not looking like there will
> be many people there though.

Oh bollocks!  Maybe next time.

Are you the one with the sort of long, dark hair?  Yeah, I remember meeting
you many moons ago at an All Formats fair in Haydock - that was also the
last time I saw Dave Whitmore and Derek Morgan...  I'll shut up now, or I'll
start reminiscing!  :)

As I recall Dave Whitmore was in his Riker stage - he was growing a beard,
and the resemblance was amazing.  <g>


Kev.

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sat Oct 17 17:32:27 1998
From: Maria Rookyard <Rookyard@btinternet.com>
To: sam-users <sam-users@nvg.unit.no>
Subject: Re: Samsgod
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> From: Simon Cooke <spectecjr@hotmail.com>
> 
> >Do you actually have copyright to use this "sense of humour"?
> >People with proper businesses to run have been trading on it for 
> >some time (whether they understand it or not) - better not
> >distribute it or you could find yourself in court.
> 
> Monopolies & Mergers commission?
> 
> Nah... We indeed have a duopoly on it. And a patent. You have to 
> pay us royalties every time you smile or laugh.
> 
> I'm not joking either.
> 
> Simon

So remember folks... laugh, smile, but above all pay up. Be happy -
remember *our* happiness depends on it.

Now where did I put that nitrous oxide?

Maria.


From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sat Oct 17 17:32:37 1998
From: Maria Rookyard <Rookyard@btinternet.com>
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> From: Robert van der Veeke <RJV.Veeke.NL.Sam.Coupe@caiw.nl>
> To: Sam users <sam-users@nvg.unit.no>
> Subject: Bwahahahahaaaaa
> Date: 17 October 1998 00:44
> 
> (c)1998 R.P.Brenchley. Copyright exists in the contents of this 
> posting. This posting, either in part or in full, may NOT be used
> other than as part of a reply to the newsgroup it appears on and/or 
> in a direct email reply to the author.
> 
> You are amazing Bob.
> 
> mata ne
> 
>  --
> Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics
> [rjvveeke@caiw.nl]
> Currently listening to : Saving Private Ryan

But why does Bob hold the copyright to Roberts emails? Oh it's all too
confusing.

Maria.
 

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sat Oct 17 19:46:39 1998
Message-Id: <199810171842.UAA02425@mailserv.caiw.nl>
From: Robert van der Veeke <RJV.Veeke.NL.Sam.Coupe@caiw.nl>
To: sam-users <sam-users@nvg.unit.no>
Subject: Re: Bwahahahahaaaaa
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> Van: Maria Rookyard <Rookyard@btinternet.com>
> Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no
> Onderwerp: Re: Bwahahahahaaaaa
> Datum: Saturday, October 17, 1998 5:20

> But why does Bob hold the copyright to Roberts emails? Oh it's all too
> confusing.
> 
Adding to the confusion, perhaps I am Bob????????

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[rjvveeke@caiw.nl]
Currently listening to : Saving Private Ryan

Thinking about growing a beard :)

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sat Oct 17 20:54:55 1998
Message-ID: <36296242.2FFC@persona.clara.net>
Date: 	Sat, 17 Oct 1998 20:36:34 -0700
From: David <david@persona.clara.net>
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Andrew Gale wrote:
> 
> I've often wondered whether there's an opening to use the SAM
> ASIC in a simple single-board computer for electronics hobbyists...
> It would use up those spare ASICs and perhaps encourage people
> to devise hardware for the SAM bus.
> 
> I was thinking of a stripped down machine on it's own pcb, with
> a few (slightly modified) expansion slots -- it could have 256K
> RAM (much more than any SBC usually has), an ASIC, a BASIC ROM,
> monochrome video (needing just a transistor and a few resistors
> to implement, rather than an MC1377P), no sound, and no MIDI -
> thereby saving a few chips but permitting people to add them if
> they like, and using a flash memory (approx 512K) for program
> storage - much easier and cheaper than a disc drive. Oh, and
> a Z80 too! Include a printer port, and use a PC keyboard, and
> you'll have something much more fun to use than many of these
> microprocessor trainers on the market - how many have video
> output? And they all need connecting to a PC to program... this
> could be programmed in-situ by lugging a TV and PC keyboard to
> the installation. The whole component cost, excluding the
> ASIC, could be less than 25 quid.
> 
> Perhaps it could prolong the life of the SAM by opening it
> up to a new market?
> 
> Andy

It's a very good idea, and it's on that Bruce had done in at least one
form towards the end of SAMTech - i remember seeing the prototype at
ZX92.... remember seeing it Nev?

Good idea.

David

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sat Oct 17 20:55:11 1998
Message-ID: <3629637E.F22@persona.clara.net>
Date: 	Sat, 17 Oct 1998 20:41:50 -0700
From: David <david@persona.clara.net>
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Ian Collier wrote:
> 
> On      16 Oct 98 19:50:17 +0000, Kevin Cooper said:
> > Is there some Sam meeting on soon in Gloucester or wherever they are
> > held?  If so, when, where, how much etc etc?
> 
> Yes, TOMORROW!  About a couple of quid.  Not looking like there will
> be many people there though.
> 
> imc

Sounds like there'll be more at Bolton....

http://nsss.home.ml.org/

David

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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sat Oct 17 20:55:12 1998
Message-ID: <3629642B.7695@persona.clara.net>
Date: 	Sat, 17 Oct 1998 20:44:43 -0700
From: David <david@persona.clara.net>
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Nick Humphries wrote:
> 
> Just a quick "hello" from me - I used to own a strange SAM. It had this kind
> of "psychic connection" with its makers - basically it broke when MGT went
> under, got repaired by SAMCo, then broke when SAMCo went under. Very strange.
> 
> Anyway, I did a few small things on the PD scene: wrote a couple of progs for
> FRED and made and sold the overwelmingly underwelming CursorDisk (the venture
> made precisely 58p profit). Currently running the YS Rock'n'Roll Years (which
> is now slowly covering the SAM scene as it happened).
> 
> Hello.
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------
> Nick Humphries, nick@the-den.clara.net, at your service

Hello Nick!

Nice to see another CSS regular on the list.

Cursor disk wasn't that bad at all... 

David

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sat Oct 17 20:55:13 1998
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Date: 	Sat, 17 Oct 1998 20:45:35 -0700
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Robert van der Veeke wrote:
> 
> > Van: Maria Rookyard <Rookyard@btinternet.com>
> > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no
> > Onderwerp: Re: Bwahahahahaaaaa
> > Datum: Saturday, October 17, 1998 5:20
> 
> > But why does Bob hold the copyright to Roberts emails? Oh it's all too
> > confusing.
> >
> Adding to the confusion, perhaps I am Bob????????

Nope... I am Bob ;)

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sat Oct 17 21:05:41 1998
Message-ID: <3628F710.F4C30CBA@purple.dircon.co.uk>
Date: 	Sat, 17 Oct 1998 20:59:12 +0100
From: Gavin Smith <gavin.smith@purple.dircon.co.uk>
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So what was it like? Any good? (M)any people? Any fights? Any drinking? And
did Bob take the piss out of me in his little speechy thing again this time? 
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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sat Oct 17 21:23:27 1998
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To: sam-users <sam-users@nvg.unit.no>
Subject: Re: SAM show
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> Van: Gavin Smith <gavin.smith@purple.dircon.co.uk>
> Aan: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
> Onderwerp: SAM show
> Datum: Saturday, October 17, 1998 8:59
> 
> So what was it like? Any good? (M)any people? Any fights? Any drinking?
And
> did Bob take the piss out of me in his little speechy thing again this
time? 

Who said that you will recieve the honours this year :) Or do you have to
be nominated for that just like it is done with the Nobel-prizes?

 --
Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics
[rjvveeke@caiw.nl]
Currently listening to : Saving Private Ryan

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sat Oct 17 21:23:27 1998
Message-ID: <362968FD.24C9@persona.clara.net>
Date: 	Sat, 17 Oct 1998 21:05:17 -0700
From: David <david@persona.clara.net>
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Gavin Smith wrote:
> 
> So what was it like? Any good? (M)any people? Any fights? Any drinking? And
> did Bob take the piss out of me in his little speechy thing again this time?
> --

I dunno, but against struggling to try to explain how not to plug a PII
into a 486 motherboard, I think I'd have preffered to go ;)

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sat Oct 17 21:23:27 1998
Message-ID: <36296931.6408@persona.clara.net>
Date: 	Sat, 17 Oct 1998 21:06:09 -0700
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David wrote:
> 
> Robert van der Veeke wrote:
> > Adding to the confusion, perhaps I am Bob????????
> 
> Nope... I am Bob ;)

Hold on... Robert? Bob? 

Oh no! He is Bob!

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sat Oct 17 21:33:37 1998
From: Paul R Walker <csuan@dcs.warwick.ac.uk>
Message-Id: <199810172029.VAA19018@sneeze.dcs.warwick.ac.uk>
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> I use it to taunt and rile people whilst I laugh merrily and rub myself
> with bacon-grease. Yourself?

Not being a big fan of bacon grease, I just use it to taunt and rile
people. (And moan at people with fsck-off big signatures. Hint.)

Or to try and figure out why .procmailrc don't appear to be working, but
that aspect isn't going very well. (ie it's still not working.)


From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sat Oct 17 21:39:40 1998
Message-ID: <3628FF74.5C29437A@purple.dircon.co.uk>
Date: 	Sat, 17 Oct 1998 21:35:01 +0100
From: Gavin Smith <gavin.smith@purple.dircon.co.uk>
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Paul R Walker wrote:

> Not being a big fan of bacon grease, I just use it to taunt and rile
> people. (And moan at people with fsck-off big signatures. Hint.)

Maybe people just have big fuck off signatures, to taunt and rile people who
taunt and rile other people on the list? Just a thought.
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From imc Sat Oct 17 21:48:07 1998
Subject: Re: Sam show?
In-Reply-To: <OUT-3628C3B5.MD-1.0.kev@kc.u-net.com> from Kevin Cooper at "Oct 17, 98 04:20:56 pm"
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On 	17 Oct 98 16:20:56 +0000, Kevin Cooper said:
> Are you the one with the sort of long, dark hair?  Yeah, I remember meeting
> you many moons ago at an All Formats fair in Haydock

I do not recall ever going to an All Formats fair in Haydock...

Perhaps it was Simon Cooke.

imc

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On Fri, 16 Oct 1998, <Nev Young> wrote:

> > Question - how many people use this list for anything other than chatting
> > with friends, currently?
> I use it to fill up the empty space on my hard drive.

Hope you've got a small hard disk, in that case, or you could be here for
a long long time.


From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sat Oct 17 21:57:24 1998
From: samsgod@davgw.clara.co.uk (Samsgod)
To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no
Subject: Re: Samsgod
Date: 	Sat, 17 Oct 1998 20:50:51 GMT
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On Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:40:26 PDT Fri, 16 Oct 98 18:17:27 BST, "Simon
Cooke" <spectecjr@hotmail.com> wrote:


>>If you mean I'm on the warpath, and am fed up with detractors (who
>>admittedly have pulled their fingers out sucessfully in the past) when
>>some people are trying at least...
>
>Ummm... no, actually... I was talking about someone having the username 
>Samsgod :) 

Actually, Samsgod was in a very perculiar mood that night.

I use that name because my bosses will have me killed if they find out
that I'm fraternising with computer people on a list like this one..

BTW, why not ask uncle Bill if you can have the job of porting Office
2000 to the SAM? :-)

 

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sat Oct 17 21:57:24 1998
From: Paul R Walker <csuan@dcs.warwick.ac.uk>
Message-Id: <199810172052.VAA19322@sneeze.dcs.warwick.ac.uk>
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> Maybe people just have big fuck off signatures, to taunt and rile people who
> taunt and rile other people on the list? Just a thought.

Nah. For my money, it's just that people think it's okay on "the net", for
some reason.

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sat Oct 17 22:28:07 1998
From: nick@the-den.clara.net (Nick Humphries)
To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no
Subject: Re: Hello
Date: 	Sat, 17 Oct 1998 21:19:27 GMT
Organization: Nick's Den
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On Sat, 17 Oct 1998 20:44:43 -0700 Sat, 17 Oct 98 22:18:55 BST, you wrote:
>Hello Nick!
>
>Nice to see another CSS regular on the list.
>
>Cursor disk wasn't that bad at all... 

Looking back at it, yeah it was! The best thing on it were a few of the tunes
I did on... Sound Tracker was it? Sound Machine? Something like that. I _was_
a bit happy with a few of the functions used in the programs themselves, but
you'd have to look at he source to appreciate them really.

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          The Your Sinclair Rock'n'Roll Years
       http://www.the-den.clara.net/ys/cover.htm
            Now with hundreds of articles!!
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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sat Oct 17 22:59:03 1998
Message-ID: <36298114.63E5@persona.clara.net>
Date: 	Sat, 17 Oct 1998 22:48:04 -0700
From: David <david@persona.clara.net>
Organization: The foundation of green eggs and ham
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Ian Collier wrote:
> 
> On      17 Oct 98 16:20:56 +0000, Kevin Cooper said:
> > Are you the one with the sort of long, dark hair?  Yeah, I remember meeting
> > you many moons ago at an All Formats fair in Haydock
> 
> I do not recall ever going to an All Formats fair in Haydock...
> 
> Perhaps it was Simon Cooke.
> 
> imc

Sounds more like Cookies description ;)

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sat Oct 17 22:59:08 1998
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Date: 	Sat, 17 Oct 1998 22:49:17 -0700
From: David <david@persona.clara.net>
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Nick Humphries wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 17 Oct 1998 20:44:43 -0700 Sat, 17 Oct 98 22:18:55 BST, you wrote:
> >Hello Nick!
> >
> >Nice to see another CSS regular on the list.
> >
> >Cursor disk wasn't that bad at all...
> 
> Looking back at it, yeah it was! The best thing on it were a few of the tunes
> I did on... Sound Tracker was it? Sound Machine? Something like that. I _was_
> a bit happy with a few of the functions used in the programs themselves, but
> you'd have to look at he source to appreciate them really.
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------
> Nick Humphries, nick@the-den.clara.net, at your service

Sound Machine IIR... 

Free for Blitz subscribers with issue 4

;)

David

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sat Oct 17 23:18:05 1998
From: nick@the-den.clara.net (Nick Humphries)
To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no
Subject: Re: Hello
Date: 	Sat, 17 Oct 1998 22:09:48 GMT
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On Sat, 17 Oct 1998 22:49:17 -0700 Sat, 17 Oct 98 23:12:08 BST, you wrote:
>
>Sound Machine IIR... 
>
>Free for Blitz subscribers with issue 4
>
>;)
>

Please tell me you're joking - that's like putting GAC on a magazine cover
tape...

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          The Your Sinclair Rock'n'Roll Years
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            Now with hundreds of articles!!
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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sat Oct 17 23:22:36 1998
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Date: 	Sat, 17 Oct 1998 23:17:34 -0700
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Nick Humphries wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 17 Oct 1998 22:49:17 -0700 Sat, 17 Oct 98 23:12:08 BST, you wrote:
> >
> >Sound Machine IIR...
> >
> >Free for Blitz subscribers with issue 4
> >
> >;)
> >
> 
> Please tell me you're joking - that's like putting GAC on a magazine cover
> tape...

I'm not joking.

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sun Oct 18 00:16:40 1998
Message-ID: <MC9inhAxRSK2EwwD@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk>
Date: 	Sun, 18 Oct 1998 00:12:49 +0100
To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no
From: Graham Goring <graham@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk>
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In message <19981017011422.21842.qmail@hotmail.com>, Simon Cooke
<spectecjr@hotmail.com> writes
>
>
>>I use it to taunt and rile people whilst I laugh merrily and rub myself
>>with bacon-grease. Yourself?
>
>I just do the bacon-grease bit...

It's rather good, isn't it?

Graham Goring

-- 

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\===========Or do you *really* want another Wing Commander?===========/

       Oh crap! Someone's stolen the vowels from my domain name!
       ------------Lucky I have some spares: u e a o------------

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sun Oct 18 00:20:30 1998
Message-ID: <PiPiPlA7TSK2EwzY@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk>
Date: 	Sun, 18 Oct 1998 00:15:07 +0100
To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no
From: Graham Goring <graham@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: a
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In message <199810172029.VAA19018@sneeze.dcs.warwick.ac.uk>, Paul R
Walker <csuan@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> writes
>> I use it to taunt and rile people whilst I laugh merrily and rub myself
>> with bacon-grease. Yourself?
>
>Not being a big fan of bacon grease, I just use it to taunt and rile
>people. (And moan at people with fsck-off big signatures. Hint.)

Mine ain't exactly her-ruge. It's 8 lines and a newline.

Graham Goring

-- 

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       Oh crap! Someone's stolen the vowels from my domain name!
       ------------Lucky I have some spares: u e a o------------

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sun Oct 18 00:29:04 1998
From: Paul R Walker <csuan@dcs.warwick.ac.uk>
Message-Id: <199810172321.AAA22630@sneeze.dcs.warwick.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: a
In-Reply-To: <PiPiPlA7TSK2EwzY@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk> from Graham Goring at "Oct 18, 98 00:15:07 am"
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> Mine ain't exactly her-ruge. It's 8 lines and a newline.

That's large, if not huge. Too damn big, either way.

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sun Oct 18 00:29:04 1998
Message-ID: <EyxgrqACbSK2EwyZ@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk>
Date: 	Sun, 18 Oct 1998 00:22:42 +0100
To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no
From: Graham Goring <graham@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Bwahahahahaaaaa
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In message <199810162244.AAA01533@mailserv.caiw.nl>, Robert van der
Veeke <RJV.Veeke.NL.Sam.Coupe@caiw.nl> writes
>(c)1998 R.P.Brenchley. Copyright exists in the contents of this posting.
>This posting, either in part or in full, may NOT be used other than as part
>of a reply to the newsgroup it appears on and/or in a direct email reply to
>the author.
>
>You are amazing Bob.

Yes I found it a rather amusing and telling little addendum. You could
read a *LOT* into that little suffix.

Graham Goring

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| FULL name and E-Mail address to: petition@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk |
\===========Or do you *really* want another Wing Commander?===========/

       Oh crap! Someone's stolen the vowels from my domain name!
       ------------Lucky I have some spares: u e a o------------

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sun Oct 18 00:50:14 1998
Message-ID: <8C8u3tA1iSK2EwWO@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk>
Date: 	Sun, 18 Oct 1998 00:31:01 +0100
To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no
From: Graham Goring <graham@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: a
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In message <199810172321.AAA22630@sneeze.dcs.warwick.ac.uk>, Paul R
Walker <csuan@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> writes
>
>> Mine ain't exactly her-ruge. It's 8 lines and a newline.
>
>That's large, if not huge. Too damn big, either way.

Maybe large, but not huge...

Graham Goring

-- 

This is positively tiny.

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sun Oct 18 00:55:02 1998
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On Sun, 18 Oct 1998, Graham Goring wrote:

> >That's large, if not huge. Too damn big, either way.
> Maybe large, but not huge...

I suppose.

> This is positively tiny.

Yep. Much nicer as well.


From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sun Oct 18 04:13:08 1998
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In message <3628F710.F4C30CBA@purple.dircon.co.uk>, Gavin Smith
<gavin.smith@purple.dircon.co.uk> writes
>So what was it like? Any good? (M)any people? Any fights? Any drinking? And
>did Bob take the piss out of me in his little speechy thing again this time? 

Yeah, and was there one of those discussions in the back-room like last
year. Sheesh! I spend about 

Graham Goring

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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sun Oct 18 04:13:29 1998
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Date: 	Sun, 18 Oct 1998 03:03:33 +0100
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In message <OUT-3628C3B5.MD-1.0.kev@kc.u-net.com>, Kevin Cooper
<kev@kc.u-net.com> writes
>Hi Ian,
>
>> > Is there some Sam meeting on soon in Gloucester or wherever they are
>> Yes, TOMORROW!  About a couple of quid.  Not looking like there will
>> be many people there though.
>
>Oh bollocks!  Maybe next time.
>
>Are you the one with the sort of long, dark hair?

I always remember Ian as looking a little like Adric. :)

Graham Goring

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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sun Oct 18 09:55:59 1998
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>I do not recall ever going to an All Formats fair in Haydock...
>
>Perhaps it was Simon Cooke.

Or possibly Ian Slavin. Apart from the glasses, we both had a very 
similar line in hair and leather jackets.

Simon







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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sun Oct 18 13:22:16 1998
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Date: 	Sun, 18 Oct 1998 13:17:20 +0100
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Graham Goring wrote:
> 
> In message <3628F710.F4C30CBA@purple.dircon.co.uk>, Gavin Smith
> <gavin.smith@purple.dircon.co.uk> writes
> >So what was it like? Any good? (M)any people? Any fights? Any drinking? And
> >did Bob take the piss out of me in his little speechy thing again this time?
> 
> Yeah, and was there one of those discussions in the back-room like last
> year.

That's what I was talking about :) He had a few nice things (lies) to say
about me at that one last year. From what I hear, I doubt there were enough
people to call it a "discussion" this year anyway ;)

> Sheesh! I spend about

You spend about...? (I'm intrigued now!)

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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sun Oct 18 14:23:02 1998
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Date: 	Sun, 18 Oct 1998 13:28:34 +0100
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In message <3629DC50.7935AC77@purple.dircon.co.uk>, Gavin Smith
<gavin.smith@purple.dircon.co.uk> writes
>> Sheesh! I spend about
>
>You spend about...? (I'm intrigued now!)

Um. "Forty quid on alzheimers tablets and they don't even work."

At a guess.

Oh, I remember. I meant to say that I spent about 30 minutes trying to
extracate myself from that "Backroom of Boredom" without being noticed
last year.

Graham Goring

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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sun Oct 18 15:33:00 1998
Message-ID: <362A6B88.1B2@persona.clara.net>
Date: 	Sun, 18 Oct 1998 15:28:24 -0700
From: David <david@persona.clara.net>
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Simon Cooke wrote:
> 
> >I do not recall ever going to an All Formats fair in Haydock...
> >
> >Perhaps it was Simon Cooke.
> 
> Or possibly Ian Slavin. Apart from the glasses, we both had a very
> similar line in hair and leather jackets.
> 
> Simon

Yeah, it sounds like it could be Axe.

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sun Oct 18 15:54:16 1998
Message-ID: <362A6E8E.42CE@persona.clara.net>
Date: 	Sun, 18 Oct 1998 15:41:18 -0700
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Okay dokey, here's a new thread (SHOCK!)

I'm looking into mounting my SAM hardware into a PC case, so I can also
add a nice natty CD ROM to my Atom as well...

I'm not so keen on remounting the SAM into a PC box, even though that's
not so tricky (by all accounts) ... at least not yet.

After speaking to Colin P, I understand I may need some sort of
buffering to prevent signal corruption from the Sam expansion port.
Which I basically want to take off to the PC casing (which I want to
mount a HD, CD Rom, Quazar Surround Soundcard, Persona External Clock,
Persona APE3 (Audio Powered Expansion - 3 slots), Quazar Sampler, 1 Meg
i/f etc....

Any (sensible-ish) thoughts?

Andrews Keyboard i/f could come in very handy here ;)

David

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sun Oct 18 17:43:52 1998
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> From: Simon Cooke <spectecjr@hotmail.com>
> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no
> Subject: Re: a
> Date: 17 October 1998 02:14
> 
> 
> 
> >I use it to taunt and rile people whilst I laugh merrily and rub 
> >myself with bacon-grease. Yourself?
> 
> I just do the bacon-grease bit...
> 
> Simon

You always told me you preferred the chocolate mousse <sob> I feel so
betrayed

Maria.


From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sun Oct 18 18:10:31 1998
Message-ID: <362A8F0B.3071@persona.clara.net>
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Maria Rookyard wrote:
> 
> > From: Simon Cooke <spectecjr@hotmail.com>
> > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no
> > Subject: Re: a
> > Date: 17 October 1998 02:14
> >
> >
> >
> > >I use it to taunt and rile people whilst I laugh merrily and rub
> > >myself with bacon-grease. Yourself?
> >
> > I just do the bacon-grease bit...
> >
> > Simon
> 
> You always told me you preferred the chocolate mousse <sob> I feel so
> betrayed
> 
> Maria.

I definately preffer the mousse to that cup of tea I had that time ;)

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sun Oct 18 18:10:32 1998
From: david@persona.clara.net
To: SAM-Users Mailing List <sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no>
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Subject: SAM SRAM board
Date: 	Sun, 18 Oct 1998 17:05:13 GMT
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I wonder if anyone can tell me if the Format SRAM board has been
released yet? I'm actually quite keen on getting one for a little
project I'm looking into...

David

(c) 1998 David Ledbury....
Use outside of this newsgroup is actually quite sad really, as 
in all honest it's not really worth repeating elsewhere ;)

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sun Oct 18 21:06:59 1998
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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sun Oct 18 21:21:54 1998
Message-ID: <362ABC1F.4E9B@persona.clara.net>
Date: 	Sun, 18 Oct 1998 21:12:15 -0700
From: David <david@persona.clara.net>
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Colin Piggot wrote:
> 
> Hello!
> 
> After a 2 month absence I am sending this email to say I'm back!
> 
> Although my old hotmail email address is still valid you can now use
> the following:
> Email: quazar@clara.net
> 
> I've also uploaded my web pages - you can find them at
> http://www.quazar.clara.net
> I've updated the news, but as details of all my hardware and software
> (that's 2 pieces of hardware and 51 pieces of software) aren't up
> there yet you can email
> me your postal address and i'll send a 14 page booklet with all the
> details and the latest
> on new releases and forthcoming titles.
> 
> Colin Piggot.

Nice to see u back on line, and nice to see yet another on Claranet ;)

David

PS: Plug! The subscribers disk with issue 8 also has the full version 
of Stefan's Mod Player, complete with the source code to use it within
your own programs ... this also works with the incredible Quazar
Surround Soundcard of course ... ;) (And I'm sure Colin would remind me
if I didn't mention that the Mod player will use the Quazar Surround
Soundcard  to play mods at full quality and in full surround ;)

Cripes another plug ;)

Now, who's going to help me with my PC case prob? :)

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sun Oct 18 22:36:59 1998
From: PersonaHQ@aol.com
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Nice to have someone with a BRAIN back on the mailing list.
Welcome back COLIN.
Message to DAVID, talk to LEN, he has done what you want to do.

M.D.L.M

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sun Oct 18 22:45:24 1998
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On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 PersonaHQ@aol.com wrote:

> Nice to have someone with a BRAIN back on the mailing list.

Put those claws away. ;)


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'scuse me, just one quick test.

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sun Oct 18 23:21:41 1998
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Paul Walker wrote:
> 
> 'scuse me, just one quick test.

And here's another....

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On Sun, 18 Oct 1998, David wrote:

> > 'scuse me, just one quick test.
> And here's another....

Didn't work, unfortunately. :/ Every other list I'm on gets filtered into
the right place by procmail, except sam-users. God knows why.


From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sun Oct 18 23:38:42 1998
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>> >I use it to taunt and rile people whilst I laugh merrily and rub 
>> >myself with bacon-grease. Yourself?
>> 
>> I just do the bacon-grease bit...
>> 
>> Simon
>
>You always told me you preferred the chocolate mousse <sob> I feel so
>betrayed

Well, I wasn't going to tell them about *that* was I? In a public forum? 
Where everyone knows what we've been doing with our desserts?

Simon



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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sun Oct 18 23:50:51 1998
From: Maria Rookyard <Rookyard@btinternet.com>
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> From: David <david@persona.clara.net>
> 
> Maria Rookyard wrote:
> > 
> > > From: Simon Cooke <spectecjr@hotmail.com>

> > > >I use it to taunt and rile people whilst I laugh merrily and rub
> > > >myself with bacon-grease. Yourself?
> > >
> > > I just do the bacon-grease bit...
> > >
> > > Simon
> > 
> > You always told me you preferred the chocolate mousse <sob>
> > I feel so betrayed
> > 
> > Maria.
> 
> I definately preffer the mousse to that cup of tea I had that time ;)

Remind me again about the details on that one Dave, I think I must've
managed to blank most of it out ;-)  (although I do remember that it was
Martin's doing not mine)

And Simon, do you remember the lemon meringue, or the bread and butter
pudding? And how about the 4 sugars in your peas? (That one was Martin's
idea too)

Maria.
x

(c) 1998 Food & Drink Discussion Group 
;-)






From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sun Oct 18 23:57:40 1998
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So.... is somebody going to tell us all what hapenned at the show
yesterday, or what?

Who actually ended up being able to go?

Andrew

--
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| Part 2 NatSci  | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he
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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Mon Oct 19 08:27:53 1998
Message-ID: <362B5820.66E6@persona.clara.net>
Date: 	Mon, 19 Oct 1998 08:17:52 -0700
From: David <david@persona.clara.net>
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Maria Rookyard wrote:
> 
> > From: David <david@persona.clara.net>
> >
> > Maria Rookyard wrote:
> > >
> > > > From: Simon Cooke <spectecjr@hotmail.com>
> 
> > > > >I use it to taunt and rile people whilst I laugh merrily and rub
> > > > >myself with bacon-grease. Yourself?
> > > >
> > > > I just do the bacon-grease bit...
> > > >
> > > > Simon
> > >
> > > You always told me you preferred the chocolate mousse <sob>
> > > I feel so betrayed
> > >
> > > Maria.
> >
> > I definately preffer the mousse to that cup of tea I had that time ;)
> 
> Remind me again about the details on that one Dave, I think I must've
> managed to blank most of it out ;-)  (although I do remember that it was
> Martin's doing not mine)
> 
The one with the alcohol addition ;)

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Mon Oct 19 08:47:44 1998
From: Maria Rookyard <Rookyard@btinternet.com>
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> From: Simon Cooke <spectecjr@hotmail.com>
> 
> >> >I use it to taunt and rile people whilst I laugh merrily and rub 
> >> >myself with bacon-grease. Yourself?
> >> 
> >> I just do the bacon-grease bit...
> >> 
> >> Simon
> >
> >You always told me you preferred the chocolate mousse <sob> I feel so
> >betrayed
> 
> Well, I wasn't going to tell them about *that* was I? In a public forum? 
> Where everyone knows what we've been doing with our desserts?
> 
> Simon

Ah, but they don't know whether or not it was our *just* desserts, do they?
;-)

And does this mean that you're ashamed of our mousse or something?

Maria.


(c) 1998 The Beware Of Desserts In A Cup Company




From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Mon Oct 19 08:58:04 1998
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From: Dan Doore <dan@armature.com>
Date: 	Mon, 19 Oct 1998 8:51:35 +0000
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> And does this mean that you're ashamed of our mousse or something?

My sister was bitten by a mousse once.

No really, mousse bites can be very painful.

....

What's the news from the show then?

Dan.

Work: dan@armature.com
Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk
VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/  

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Mon Oct 19 10:31:24 1998
To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no
Subject: Re: a
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From: Lee Willis <lee@gbdirect.co.uk>
Date: 	19 Oct 1998 10:24:53 +0100
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Graham Goring <graham@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk> writes:

> >Not being a big fan of bacon grease, I just use it to taunt and rile
> >people. (And moan at people with fsck-off big signatures. Hint.)
> 
> Mine ain't exactly her-ruge. It's 8 lines and a newline.

Well it's twice as big as it's 'supposed to be' ...

Lee.
-- 
Drink 'til she's cute, but do yourself a favour ..
Stop before the wedding!

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Mon Oct 19 10:35:29 1998
To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no
Subject: Re: test
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From: Lee Willis <lee@gbdirect.co.uk>
Date: 	19 Oct 1998 10:30:51 +0100
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Paul Walker <csuan@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> writes:

> On Sun, 18 Oct 1998, David wrote:
> 
> Didn't work, unfortunately. :/ Every other list I'm on gets filtered into
> the right place by procmail, except sam-users. God knows why.

Well OK, I realise that this is just asking for another mousse type
debate but what's your recipe ?

Lee.
-- 
I was doing object-oriented assembly at 1 year old ...  
For some reason my mom insists on calling it "Playing with blocks"

From imc Mon Oct 19 11:25:35 1998
Subject: Re: a
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What an informative subject line.

On 	Mon, 19 Oct 1998 08:42:31 +0100, Maria Rookyard said:
> And does this mean that you're ashamed of our mousse or something?

Are you ashamed of your catte and dogg as well?

> (c) 1998 The Beware Of Desserts In A Cup Company

You forgot "This posting may not be copied except in a reply posted
to this list, blah blah etc".

imc

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On 19 Oct 1998, Lee Willis wrote:

> Well OK, I realise that this is just asking for another mousse type
> debate but what's your recipe ?

Apologies for non-unix people...

===
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# Back it all up (doesn't work?!)
:O c
backup

# Mailing list section
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:O:
* ^From.owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
sam-users

:O:
* ^From.fsf-list
fsf-list

:O:
* ^Sender: owner-monkeyjunkies@wired.com
monkeyjunkies

# Rudimentary junkmail filtering
:O: B
* !^FROM_DAEMON
* make money fast
* million email addresses
* ^From.webpromote
junk
==

From imc Mon Oct 19 14:31:38 1998
Subject: Re: test
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On 	Mon, 19 Oct 1998 12:15:30 +0100 (BST), Paul Walker said:
> # Back it all up (doesn't work?!)
> :O c
> backup
> 
> # Mailing list section
> # this doesn't work either :/
> :O:
> * ^From.owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
> sam-users

[snip]

OK, first question... why are you writing :O instead of :0?

The subsidiary question is what character you expect to be matched by
the dot, except for a space.

imc

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Mon Oct 19 14:45:08 1998
From: Edwin Blink <e.p.r.p.blink@pl.hanze.nl>
Organization: Hanzehogeschool Groningen
To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no
Date: 	Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:39:56 MET
Subject: Mouse Mania !!
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Anybody wants to connect a PC mouse to the SAM ??
 
Its now possible. And very easy too. 
 
All you need is the COMMs interface (with the RS232 part).
And solder a single wire at the connector to make them work (with a 
special driver) .
If you have a Microsoft Ballpoint Mouse you even don't have to solder the 
wire . (Plug and Play ???)

I already wrote some drivers for it and it just works great.
After all those years I can finally play Batz'n Ballz with A mouse.

To be continued ...

Edwin Blink.

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Subject: Re: test
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On Mon, 19 Oct 1998, Ian Collier wrote:

> OK, first question... why are you writing :O instead of :0?

Can't remember. Still seems to work, though.

> The subsidiary question is what character you expect to be matched by
> the dot, except for a space.

Just a space.

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Mon Oct 19 14:53:08 1998
To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no
Subject: Re: test
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Date: 	19 Oct 1998 14:47:57 +0100
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Ian Collier <imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk> writes:

> On 	Mon, 19 Oct 1998 12:15:30 +0100 (BST), Paul Walker said:
> > # Back it all up (doesn't work?!)
> > :O c
> > backup
> > 
> > # Mailing list section
> > # this doesn't work either :/
> > :O:
> > * ^From.owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
> > sam-users
> 
> [snip]
> 
> OK, first question... why are you writing :O instead of :0?

Yep, problem numero uno ...

> The subsidiary question is what character you expect to be matched by
> the dot, except for a space.

I'd guess that he just expects one space to be there, I'd recommend
something along the lines of

^From.*owner-sam-users

which should cover it pretty well, at least it works for me in my .gnus
which filters in pretty much the same way as procmail (Well sort-of)

Lee.
-- 
I was doing object-oriented assembly at 1 year old ...  
For some reason my mom insists on calling it "Playing with blocks"

From imc Mon Oct 19 14:58:40 1998
Subject: Re: test
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.05.9810191443460.18490-100000@sneeze.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> from Paul Walker at "Oct 19, 98 02:44:12 pm"
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On 	Mon, 19 Oct 1998 14:44:12 +0100 (BST), Paul Walker said:
> On Mon, 19 Oct 1998, Ian Collier wrote:
> > OK, first question... why are you writing :O instead of :0?

> Can't remember. Still seems to work, though.

I thought you started this thread precisely because it doesn't work...

imc

From imc Mon Oct 19 15:02:55 1998
Subject: Re: test
In-Reply-To: <lzbtn88xyq.fsf@landlord.gbdirect.co.uk> from Lee Willis at "Oct 19, 98 02:47:57 pm"
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On 	19 Oct 1998 14:47:57 +0100, Lee Willis said:
> I'd guess that he just expects one space to be there, I'd recommend
> something along the lines of
> 
> ^From.*owner-sam-users
> 
> which should cover it pretty well

But there's only one From line which ever contains owner-sam-users and
that's the envelope From line.  Also there is only one other kind of From
line and that's the From: line.  Generality is all very well but in this
case you don't need it.

imc

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Mon Oct 19 15:10:40 1998
To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no
Subject: Re: test
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Date: 	19 Oct 1998 14:52:34 +0100
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Paul Walker <csuan@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> writes:

> On Mon, 19 Oct 1998, Ian Collier wrote:
> 
> > OK, first question... why are you writing :O instead of :0?
> 
> Can't remember. Still seems to work, though.

Erm I thought you said it didn't ...

Lee.
-- 
I was doing object-oriented assembly at 1 year old ...  
For some reason my mom insists on calling it "Playing with blocks"

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On 19 Oct 1998, Lee Willis wrote:

> > OK, first question... why are you writing :O instead of :0?
> Yep, problem numero uno ...

I was confused by the fact that all the other lists filtered okay, and
they had a :O there as well. Changed it now and it's working, so.. :)

> I'd guess that he just expects one space to be there, I'd recommend
> something along the lines of
> ^From.*owner-sam-users

I'll bear it in mind, but the majordomo s/w at nvg.ntnu.no only seems to
put one space in there, so...

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Mon Oct 19 15:10:43 1998
From: Kevin Cooper <kev@kc.u-net.com>
Organization: Kevin Cooper
Date: 	19 Oct 98 14:59:53 +0000
Subject: Re: Sam show?
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Hi Ian,

> I do not recall ever going to an All Formats fair in Haydock...
> Perhaps it was Simon Cooke.

No, his name was Ian.  :)  Hmmmm, who else is there called Ian on the Sam?
He did some programming, I think.

Kev.

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Mon Oct 19 15:10:44 1998
From: Kevin Cooper <kev@kc.u-net.com>
Organization: Kevin Cooper
Date: 	19 Oct 98 15:00:24 +0000
Subject: Re: Sam show?
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Hello Simon,

> >Perhaps it was Simon Cooke.
> Or possibly Ian Slavin. Apart from the glasses, we both had a very 
> similar line in hair and leather jackets.

Ah yeah, that's him.  I couldn't remember the name but now you've mentioned
it I recall always wondering whether it was pronouned Slay-Vin or Slavvin.

<g>

Kev.

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Mon Oct 19 15:16:05 1998
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From: Lee Willis <lee@gbdirect.co.uk>
Date: 	19 Oct 1998 15:11:58 +0100
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"Kevin Cooper" <kev@kc.u-net.com> writes:

> Hi Ian,
> 
> > I do not recall ever going to an All Formats fair in Haydock...
> > Perhaps it was Simon Cooke.
> 
> No, his name was Ian.  :)  Hmmmm, who else is there called Ian on the Sam?
> He did some programming, I think.

Ian Slavin?  (Or am I just making that up ...)

Lee.
-- 
I was doing object-oriented assembly at 1 year old ...  
For some reason my mom insists on calling it "Playing with blocks"

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Mon Oct 19 15:28:21 1998
To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no
Subject: Regexps [Offtopic]
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From: Lee Willis <lee@gbdirect.co.uk>
Date: 	19 Oct 1998 15:21:30 +0100
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Ian Collier <imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk> writes:

> On 	19 Oct 1998 14:47:57 +0100, Lee Willis said:
> >
> > ^From.*owner-sam-users
> 
> But there's only one From line which ever contains owner-sam-users and
> that's the envelope From line.

Yep, agreed, I hadn't actually intended matching the other one (Which I
realise this _does ...) the .* is intended to catch multiple spaces or
perhaps if owner-sam-users ever decides to give itself a _real_
name. Not likely I know but with some of lists I'm on I find it's safer ..

> Generality is all very well but in this case you don't need it.

True, but you never know ... Admittedly this will match if someone
changes their name to owner-sam-users but if they're that silly then
they deserve to be in (potentially) the wrong folder ...

Lee.
-- 
I was doing object-oriented assembly at 1 year old ...  
For some reason my mom insists on calling it "Playing with blocks"

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Mon Oct 19 15:41:15 1998
Message-ID: <vxg29CA3rzK2Ewns@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk>
Date: 	Mon, 19 Oct 1998 14:13:27 +0100
To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no
From: Graham Goring <graham@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Well?
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In message <l03130301b250212b9f34@[131.111.129.134]>, Andrew Collier
<asc25@cam.ac.uk> writes
>So.... is somebody going to tell us all what hapenned at the show
>yesterday, or what?
>
>Who actually ended up being able to go?

James Curry and about 4 other people, from what I hear...

Graham Goring

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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Mon Oct 19 15:59:02 1998
Message-Id: <TFSMMMVS@armature.com>
From: Dan Doore <dan@armature.com>
Date: 	Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:50:33 +0000
To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no
Subject: RE: Mouse Mania !!
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> Anybody wants to connect a PC mouse to the SAM ??

I think so!

> All you need is the COMMs interface (with the RS232 part).
> And solder a single wire at the connector to make them work (with a
> special driver) .
> If you have a Microsoft Ballpoint Mouse you even don't have
> to solder the wire . (Plug and Play ???)

Question time:

Does the Comms IF need the 'modification' that has been mentioned every   
so often (Speaking of which - what is it? [1])

Will this work with normal PS/2 type mice as well?  If so then would it   
be easy to make a 9-pin -> PS/2 converter with said extra wire?

A few questions about the driver:

1. Is it a just replacement for the 'mdriver' mouse driver, or will it   
work with any mouse applications
2. Does the driver support mouse speed/acceleration?

This coupled with the PC Keyboard I/F would make moving my Sam into a PC   
case a lot more attractive.

Speaking of which, I remember seeing a bloke at the (now one before) last   
show - he had his mounted in a mini-tower.

How many things are left for a complete metamorphosis?

Dan.

[1] No mentions of 'White Holes' now... :-)  

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Mon Oct 19 17:21:03 1998
Message-Id: <m0zVHuD-0003MRC@duck12.ee.surrey.ac.uk>
From: eep2ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew Gale)
Subject: Re: Mouse Mania !!
To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no
Date: 	Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:11:37 +0100 (BST)
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> Will this work with normal PS/2 type mice as well?  If so then would it   
> be easy to make a 9-pin -> PS/2 converter with said extra wire?

Nope - the RS232 mice run off +12v and -12v (well, 12ish..) but
the PS/2 mice run of +5v, 0v. Also, the PS/2 mouse communicates
synchronously (whereas RS232 is asynchronous)

> 1. Is it a just replacement for the 'mdriver' mouse driver, or will it   
> work with any mouse applications

Any application which uses the driver that came on the disc with the
SAMCo mouse interface should work. Any software that reads the hardware
directly (by doing 8 reads in quick succession), won't work.
I actually made a device once that made a PC mouse hardware compatible
on the SAM -- but it used quite a few chips. I think I could cut that
down to just three or four chips, if there's enough interest - and 
it would be cheaper than the SAM Mouse to build, too (much smaller 
PCB - could easily be soldered internally).

Things like FLASH and SAMPaint should be fine, I'd guess....


> This coupled with the PC Keyboard I/F would make moving my Sam into a PC   
> case a lot more attractive.
>

I dunno if anyone is actually interested in having one, but I've now
designed (on paper) the pcb for my PC keyboard interface - I've just
got to put it into EASY-PC now. It's a quite small pcb, and it fits
between the 256K expansion and the right-hand disc drive - being attached
by one of the screws that hold the trapdoor in place, and one sticky
pad. It should need twenty or so solder points - but not very fiddly
ones.

> Speaking of which, I remember seeing a bloke at the (now one before) last   
> show - he had his mounted in a mini-tower.
> 
> How many things are left for a complete metamorphosis?
>

I think mounting the disc drives could be a bit of a bugger - it
might be possible to use a PC disc dirve lead, but I think a new
small pcb to hold the VL1772 might be necessay. Also, since the
SAM drives are slimline, how easily would they mount, and how
good would they look, in a PC drive bay?


Andy

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Mon Oct 19 18:46:38 1998
Message-Id: <199810191740.SAA05457@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk>
From: dave hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK>
Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants
To: simcooke@microsoft.com, spectecjr@hotmail.com, sam-users@nvg.unit.no
Date: 	Mon, 19 Oct 1998 18:40:28 +0000
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maybe simon cooke can't read my emails.

si - if you receive this, email me. i'll reply, and send my saa stuff 
for win32 simcoupe.


anyone else - if si cooke DOESN'T receive this, tell him that i'm 
trying to send him my stuff


dave

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Mon Oct 19 18:49:30 1998
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From: dave hooper <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK>
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> dave


dunno why that happenned. i didn't send it. sorry.

the real
dave

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Mon Oct 19 23:05:10 1998
From: Maria Rookyard <Rookyard@btinternet.com>
To: sam-users <sam-users@nvg.unit.no>
Subject: Re: a
Date: 	Mon, 19 Oct 1998 22:58:37 +0100
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> On 	Mon, 19 Oct 1998 08:42:31 +0100, Maria Rookyard said:
> > And does this mean that you're ashamed of our mousse or something?
> 
> Are you ashamed of your catte and dogg as well?

Notte atte all.

> > (c) 1998 The Beware Of Desserts In A Cup Company
> 
> You forgot "This posting may not be copied except in a reply posted
> to this list, blah blah etc".
> 
> imc

That's o.k., I'm not possessive, you can copy it to who the hell you like.


Lee, the easiest recipe I know for mousse is to go to the nearest
supermarket and buy the ready made stuff.

Maria.




From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Tue Oct 20 00:18:51 1998
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On 19 Oct 1998, Lee Willis wrote:

> > Can't remember. Still seems to work, though.
> Erm I thought you said it didn't ...

Did for the other lists, for some strange reason.


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On Mon, 19 Oct 1998, Ian Collier wrote:

> I thought you started this thread precisely because it doesn't work...

Leave me alone, it was a case of fingers before brain... :/


From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Tue Oct 20 00:32:57 1998
Message-ID: <8swO8GAFo8K2Ew0E@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk>
Date: 	Tue, 20 Oct 1998 00:23:49 +0100
To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no
From: Graham Goring <graham@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: (Fwd) simon cooke
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>anyone else - if si cooke DOESN'T receive this, tell him that i'm 
>trying to send him my stuff

It's like a sodding pantomime... :)

Graham Goring

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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Tue Oct 20 09:10:16 1998
To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no
Subject: Re: test
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From: Lee Willis <lee@gbdirect.co.uk>
Date: 	20 Oct 1998 09:07:17 +0100
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Paul Walker <csuan@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> writes:

> On Mon, 19 Oct 1998, Ian Collier wrote:
> 
> > I thought you started this thread precisely because it doesn't work...
> 
> Leave me alone, it was a case of fingers before brain... :/

Ooh my speciality ...
-- 
I was doing object-oriented assembly at 1 year old ...  
For some reason my mom insists on calling it "Playing with blocks"

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Tue Oct 20 23:49:46 1998
Message-Id: <199810202248.AAA17838@mailserv.caiw.nl>
From: Robert van der Veeke <RJV.Veeke.NL.Sam.Coupe@caiw.nl>
To: Sam users <sam-users@nvg.unit.no>
Subject: Fw: Copyright in postings? Legal or not?
Date: 	Wed, 21 Oct 1998 00:47:51 +0100
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Bob you are a arsehole, you really think that I am going to do nothing
about this, going to contact my own ISP in the morning be calling him about
this bullshit, I have had more than enough of it of playing so called good
guy. And if it is true that you are trying to get my account revoked, don't
think that you have heard last of me then.

You are lair, a thief, you are downright insulting to me. and the other
Sam-users on or off this list. You are a discrace for the Sam-community,
actually you helped it quicker to its death than anyone else in the Sam
Community.

Copyright on emails, my arse. How about the copyright on software from
Persona hey? Now who is the criminal here?

You are just a loser and a clueless twit who can't stand any comments,
critics, or downright fair questions about your illegal activities like
selling copied software etc. 

 --
Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics
[rjvveeke@caiw.nl]
Currently listening to : Fire Bomber - Life Fire !!!

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Tue Oct 20 23:59:16 1998
Message-Id: <199810202252.AAA18599@mailserv.caiw.nl>
From: Robert van der Veeke <RJV.Veeke.NL.Sam.Coupe@caiw.nl>
To: Sam users <sam-users@nvg.unit.no>
Subject: If someone wants to complain to my ISP
Date: 	Wed, 21 Oct 1998 00:52:13 +0100
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If some one has a problem or anything else with my previous email to this
list.

Beheer@caiw.nl is the adress to write to

 --
Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics
[rjvveeke@caiw.nl]
Currently listening to : Fire Bomber - Life Fire !!!

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Wed Oct 21 09:13:57 1998
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To: Sam users <sam-users@nvg.unit.no>
Subject: About my ISP
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Just had that phonecall with ir. JS van der Giessen, the technical manager
of Kabelfoon and it was rather intresting what he had to say:

1. First of all, Bob you never had a phonecall with my ISP, but that was to
be expected from you.

2. Only if I would take the postings and/or emails to a webpage on their
servers than would take action by blocking that page. The fact that emails
and postings are stored on their servers is a normal process but they won't
take responsibility for that (wich is the case with all Dutch ISP's), only
if criminal activities like selling illegal stuffs etc. are involved, then
they will take action and help the justice-department after the justice
department asked them help in the first place, the first action will never
come from Kabelfoon.

3. Of course taking a email from a public forum like CCS to a public forum
like this list is a copyright infrigement, with the exception that both are
countries have a law that allow quoting from public when you also tell
where that quote is comming from. If you have problem with that than he
suggested that you should take a lawyer and let him investigate if it is
worth to take it to court.

4. Even it this would come to court, and I would be convicted of
copyright-infrigements than that would never be the reason for my ISP to
block my account.

Have a nice day, I am still here
 --
Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics
[rjvveeke@caiw.nl]
Currently listening to : Fire Bomber - Life Fire !!!

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Wed Oct 21 12:41:47 1998
From: Frode Tenneboe <ft@edh.ericsson.se>
Date: 	Wed, 21 Oct 1998 12:34:36 +0100
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[stuff delted]

> Have a nice day, I am still here

Please Robert,

Do not take this to the list....again.

Generally: This list is not a public toilet. 

 -Frode

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Wed Oct 21 13:27:18 1998
Message-Id: <199810211214.OAA12363@mailserv.caiw.nl>
From: Robert van der Veeke <RJV.Veeke.NL.Sam.Coupe@caiw.nl>
To: sam-users <sam-users@nvg.unit.no>
Subject: Re: About my ISP
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> Van: Frode Tenneboe <ft@edh.ericsson.se>
> Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no
> Onderwerp: Re: About my ISP
> Datum: Wednesday, October 21, 1998 12:34
> 
> [stuff delted]
> 
> > Have a nice day, I am still here
> 
> Please Robert,
> 
> Do not take this to the list....again.
> 
> Generally: This list is not a public toilet. 

Sorry but this was something I had to do. Don't worry, won't happen again.

BTW: I want to thank some people who have reacted in this crisis, It is
good to know that there are still some real Sam-users left.

 --
Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics
[rjvveeke@caiw.nl]
Currently listening to : Fire Bomber - Life Fire !!!

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Fri Oct 23 19:39:56 1998
From: nick@the-den.clara.net (Nick Humphries)
To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no
Subject: YS RnR Years Update
Date: 	Fri, 23 Oct 1998 18:24:09 GMT
Organization: Nick's Den
Message-ID: <3638c903.32036570@relay.clara.net>
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Just a small update that's probably of high interest to SAM users, ex- and
otherwise. There are something like two dozen original YS articles on the SAM,
including news, reviews and previews. I've now given these articles their own
index at http://www.the-den.clara.net/ys/articles/index_sam.htm - it covers
the MGT and SAMCo times, plus a bit more.

Enjoy!

-------------------------------------------------------
Nick Humphries, nick@the-den.clara.net, at your service
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          The Your Sinclair Rock'n'Roll Years
       http://www.the-den.clara.net/ys/cover.htm
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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sat Oct 24 00:29:26 1998
From: samsgod@davgw.clara.co.uk (Samsgod)
To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no
Subject: Re: YS RnR Years Update
Date: 	Fri, 23 Oct 1998 23:25:05 GMT
Message-ID: <36330fb9.5535703@relay.clara.net>
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On Fri, 23 Oct 1998 18:24:09 GMT, nick@the-den.clara.net (Nick
Humphries) wrote:

>Just a small update that's probably of high interest to SAM users, ex- and
>otherwise. There are something like two dozen original YS articles on the SAM,
>including news, reviews and previews. I've now given these articles their own
>index at http://www.the-den.clara.net/ys/articles/index_sam.htm - it covers
>the MGT and SAMCo times, plus a bit more.

Excellent - cheers! :-)

Any chance of Mike Gerrards adventure pages? 

Ooops.. they weren't so easy to OCR if I remember right.


From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sat Oct 24 01:05:48 1998
From: nick@the-den.clara.net (Nick Humphries)
To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no
Subject: Re: YS RnR Years Update
Date: 	Fri, 23 Oct 1998 23:52:53 GMT
Organization: Nick's Den
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On Fri, 23 Oct 1998 23:25:05 GMT, you wrote:

>Any chance of Mike Gerrards adventure pages? 
>
>Ooops.. they weren't so easy to OCR if I remember right.

I've done plenty of his reviews - take a look at his own index at:

    http://www.the-den.clara.net/ys/articles/Mike_G.htm

(remember the capitals) You'll find 32 of his reviews on there.

-------------------------------------------------------
Nick Humphries, nick@the-den.clara.net, at your service
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          The Your Sinclair Rock'n'Roll Years
       http://www.the-den.clara.net/ys/cover.htm
-------------------------------------------------------

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sat Oct 24 12:28:41 1998
From: Dean Liversidge <dean@error.demon.co.uk>
To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no
Date: 	Sat, 24 Oct 1998 12:23:14 +0100
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On 21 Oct 98, at 14:14, Robert van der Veeke wrote:

> > Van: Frode Tenneboe <ft@edh.ericsson.se>
> > [stuff delted]
> > > Have a nice day, I am still here
> > 
> > Please Robert,
> > 
> > Do not take this to the list....again.
> > 
> > Generally: This list is not a public toilet. 
> 
> Sorry but this was something I had to do. Don't worry, won't happen again.
> 
> BTW: I want to thank some people who have reacted in this crisis, It is
> good to know that there are still some real Sam-users left.


What the hell is wrong with Bob the Nob, first he gets Web pages closed 
down, now he get e-mail accounts closed. What is his problem ??

When will Bob realise that his income if going to dwindle to nothing 
soon anyway. Thats why the PC mag got created, because the other one is 
drying up. Get a life, accept your critisism, and change.

I asked if anyone could give me a good reason to keep my sub going, not 
even one responce, let alone any responce to say keep it, does that not 
tell you something.... !


-- 
Dean Liversidge

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sun Oct 25 17:15:37 1998
Message-ID: <3633D6E3.41E1@persona.clara.net>
Date: 	Sun, 25 Oct 1998 17:56:51 -0800
From: David <david@persona.clara.net>
Organization: The foundation of green eggs and ham
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Dean Liversidge wrote:
> 
> I asked if anyone could give me a good reason to keep my sub going, not
> even one responce, let alone any responce to say keep it, does that not
> tell you something.... !
> 
> --
> Dean Liversidge

Welll, after my getting a sub to FredDisk (which is worth it ;) I'm
actually tempted to try a sub to Format...

Can anyone tell me if it's worthwhile? 

David


From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sun Oct 25 17:41:51 1998
Message-ID: <363353DF.1F172492@purple.dircon.co.uk>
Date: 	Sun, 25 Oct 1998 17:37:51 +0100
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David wrote:

> Dean Liversidge wrote:
> >
> > I asked if anyone could give me a good reason to keep my sub going, not
> > even one responce, let alone any responce to say keep it, does that not
> > tell you something.... !
> >
> > --
> > Dean Liversidge
>
> Welll, after my getting a sub to FredDisk (which is worth it ;) I'm
> actually tempted to try a sub to Format...
>
> Can anyone tell me if it's worthwhile?
>
> David

Yes, I can, and no, it's not. (Seriously, and I'm not just being bitchy)

--
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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sun Oct 25 23:20:05 1998
Message-ID: <363580A8.62AB@persona.clara.net>
Date: 	Tue, 27 Oct 1998 00:13:28 -0800
From: David <david@persona.clara.net>
Organization: The foundation of green eggs and ham
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Well, after the under-whelming response from the mailing list about my
plea for any advice re my planned recasing, I've followed up the
suggestion from Mack, and spoken to Len Bennet.

Len's provided me with a few ideas, so I'm going to have a root around
at work tomorrow, and see if we've any Compaq cases floating around (the
PC's are crap, but the case is nice and streamlined ;) ....

Be nice if I could get it all sorted for the NSSS .... save lugging
around all those bloody interfaces ;)

David

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Mon Oct 26 10:16:08 1998
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From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk
To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no
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Dean wrote:

>I asked if anyone could give me a good reason to keep my sub going, not
>even one responce, let alone any responce to say keep it, does that not
>tell you something.... !

Actually, my format sub ran out and I've been thinking the same,
myself. No dis-respect to the contributers, but over the last couple of
months, I hardly did anything other than just scan the pages...

It's a shame all the old fueds continue. You would've thought that things
would've worked themselves out over the last few very stressful weeks.
The days were bad enough as it is without coming to work (I'm grateful
that I still have a work to come to) to see one of my sources of sanity
still fighting it out. :(

But that's all a long story and to quote Ally McBeal: "By-gones."

I apologising for not replying to personal email you guys sent me. I'm
back to sanity now and they are still in my in-box. I haven't ignored
you - I will reply to them when I have five more minutes spare.

:)

Take care.

Justin.


From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Mon Oct 26 10:28:10 1998
To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no
Subject: Format [Was: Re: About my ISP]
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From: Lee Willis <lee@gbdirect.co.uk>
Date: 	26 Oct 1998 10:19:01 +0000
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"Dean Liversidge" <dean@error.demon.co.uk> writes:

> I asked if anyone could give me a good reason to keep my sub going, not 
> even one responce, let alone any responce to say keep it, does that not 
> tell you something.... !

Hmm, well due to my parents moving to a smaller house I had to sort out
all my old stuff this weekend and it has to be said that all my Formats, 
except those which I had stuff in have gone to the recycle bin. It was
kind of sad because I used to enjoy Format and now they've all gone
... Ooh the nostalgia :(

Lee.
-- 
I was doing object-oriented assembly at 1 year old ...  
For some reason my mom insists on calling it "Playing with blocks"

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Mon Oct 26 20:54:51 1998
Message-ID: <36355DA2.187B@persona.clara.net>
Date: 	Mon, 26 Oct 1998 21:44:02 -0800
From: David <david@persona.clara.net>
Organization: The foundation of green eggs and ham
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Justin_Skists@case.co.uk wrote:
 
> It's a shame all the old fueds continue. You would've thought that things
> would've worked themselves out over the last few very stressful weeks.
> The days were bad enough as it is without coming to work (I'm grateful
> that I still have a work to come to) to see one of my sources of sanity
> still fighting it out. :(

I agree. I personally don't like any "fueds" myself... Contrary to
belief I do
actually have a degree of respect for Bob, although I don't always agree
with him 
- it's nice to have some sort of stability. 

> Take care.
> 
> Justin.

U2

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Thu Oct 29 11:29:35 1998
Message-Id: <199810290912.KAA07229@mailserv.caiw.nl>
From: "Robert van der Veeke" <RJV.Veeke.NL.Sam.Coupe@caiw.nl>
To: "Sam users" <sam-users@nvg.unit.no>
Subject: Calling all vehicles
Date: 	Thu, 29 Oct 1998 10:11:59 +0100
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Edwin: are you comming to Houten next week? So that we can finish what we
should have started on the 3rd of oct. in Bunnik

Stefan: Are you comming to Houten next week? BTW: did you see the FunTop98
demo's, whoah. Martijn has already converted some of those Russian demo's
to the Sam.

And for ALL: Martijn wants to know a bit more about Beta-disk so that he
can include that in his latest Spectrum Emulator.

Whe had some good fun yesterday when Martijn was showing off how the
Spectrum and ZX81 where semi-multitasking on the Sam Coupe. This was off
course at the HCC-meeting (Sinclair and others) in Voorburg wich is being
held every two weeks.

 --
Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics
[rjvveeke@caiw.nl]
Currently listening to : Magic Knight Rayearth - Best Song Book

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Thu Oct 29 21:09:53 1998
Message-ID: <363952BB.FFB@persona.clara.net>
Date: 	Thu, 29 Oct 1998 21:46:35 -0800
From: David <david@persona.clara.net>
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Robert van der Veeke wrote:
[snip]

:( 

I wish I could get there... sounds like some fun :(

Have a good time all ;)

David

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Thu Oct 29 21:49:55 1998
Message-ID: <3639593A.1957@persona.clara.net>
Date: 	Thu, 29 Oct 1998 22:14:18 -0800
From: David <david@persona.clara.net>
Organization: The foundation of green eggs and ham
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I know I've asked this before (but haven't had an answer yet :(
but what's the difference between the 1771, 1791, 1793, 1795, 1797,
2793, 2797 and the hard-to-get-hold-of 1772?

And the obvious question? Can any of these be used in place of the 1772?

Ta

David

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Thu Oct 29 22:11:15 1998
From: <stefan.drissen@nl.pwcglobal.com>
Date: 	Thu, 29 Oct 1998 18:56:27 +0100
Subject: Re: Calling all vehicles
To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
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Robert wrote:
>Stefan: Are you comming to Houten next week? BTW: did you see the FunTop98
>demo's, whoah. Martijn has already converted some of those Russian demo's
>to the Sam.

Is it on Saturday the 7th of November?  I'm afraid I have an exam on the
10th. :(

I have not seen any of the FunTop98 demos - do they also give that "jump
off a bridge" feeling? Looking forward to seeing them!!!

Any chance of you emailing them to me as .DSK files?  Please....

Stefan

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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Thu Oct 29 22:35:31 1998
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From: "Robert van der Veeke" <RJV.Veeke.NL.Sam.Coupe@caiw.nl>
To: <sam-users@nvg.unit.no>
Subject: Re: Calling all vehicles
Date: 	Thu, 29 Oct 1998 23:30:06 +0100
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> Van: stefan.drissen@nl.pwcglobal.com
> Aan: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
> Onderwerp: Re: Calling all vehicles
> Datum: Thursday, October 29, 1998 6:56

> Is it on Saturday the 7th of November?  I'm afraid I have an exam on the
> 10th. :(

Ah well, we can't have everything :(
 
> I have not seen any of the FunTop98 demos - do they also give that "jump
> off a bridge" feeling? Looking forward to seeing them!!!

errm yes they are. Especially the ones like, Emergency, Morbid Vision and
TV-X

> Any chance of you emailing them to me as .DSK files?  Please....

6 TRD's, when still zipped they are about 1.65 mb.

 --
Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics
[rjvveeke@caiw.nl]
Currently listening to : Magic Knight Rayearth - Best Song Book

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Fri Oct 30 09:19:36 1998
Message-Id: <m0zZAbz-000SIDC@anorien.mcs.surrey.ac.uk>
From: Andrew Gale <A.Gale@mcs.surrey.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Disk Controllers...
To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no
Date: 	Fri, 30 Oct 1998 09:12:50 +0000 (GMT)
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I think the 1772 is a generally improved version of the 1770, with
new head stepo rates - I think the 1770 was 6ms, 12ms, 20ms, and 30ms,
whereas the 1772 is 2ms, 3ms, 6ms and 12ms. Or something like that.

I think the 1770 and 1772 are pin compatible, but if you can't
get hold of a 1772, then you ain't gonna get a 1770!

When I've asked about tweaking the DOS for a new controller before,
the response seems to have been that it is impossible.... but
I can't believe it's too tricky for some dedicated hacker.

Talking of the DOS, we've got both the ROMs and MASTERDOS source
files on the ftp site... but not SAMDOS2. Any reason why not?

Andy

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Hi gang,

First question:
Does anyone know anything about TV transmitters around the
South Herts area? I had to retune my video to the alternate
BBC2 and C4 channels... and Chan5 decided to ruin my
SAM picture!!! :(

So, I opened up the power pack and twiddled the modulation
screws until I got a non-interfered picture.

Which brings me onto the second question:
I've discovered that one black twiddler controls the TV picture
channel and the other is the sound but - what do the two brass
twiddlers do? Twiddling them didn't seem to do a thing.

Justin.

(Please excuse the "technical" terms for potentiometers - it's
still early in the morning.)


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Hi,

Out of curiousity, what SAM related projects are
people working on?

Personally, I'm working on the MIDI to SAM Sequencer
Song file converter. Presently, in PRO-DOS - with the
intention of porting it to native SAM. Early estimates
(from the prototype) show that an 80k .mid file will be
converted into a SAM Sequencer song file in less than
2 minutes - which is slightly better than the 45 minutes
that the convertor that came with Sequencer said it would
take. Which is just as well since I've got about 16disks
worth of midi files to convert to SAM format, yet...

But, knowing me (Mr. Vapourware himself) I'll probably
not actually get around to polishing the proggy off for
releasing... maybe this time. :)

Justin.


From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Fri Oct 30 12:35:18 1998
    30 Oct 98 13:05:01 GMT+1
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> Edwin: are you comming to Houten next week? So that we can finish what we
> should have started on the 3rd of oct. in Bunnik


Sorry won't be able to go there.
 
> Stefan: Are you comming to Houten next week? BTW: did you see the FunTop98
> demo's, whoah. Martijn has already converted some of those Russian demo's
> to the Sam.
 
> And for ALL: Martijn wants to know a bit more about Beta-disk so that he
> can include that in his latest Spectrum Emulator.

Can't help him with that. No knowledge of it. Somebody else ?
  
> Whe had some good fun yesterday when Martijn was showing off how the
> Spectrum and ZX81 where semi-multitasking on the Sam Coupe. This was off
> course at the HCC-meeting (Sinclair and others) in Voorburg wich is being
> held every two weeks.

Too bad I missed that. Well mayby Martijn will send me a copy.

Edwin Blink. 

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Fri Oct 30 12:35:19 1998
    30 Oct 98 13:11:39 GMT+1
From: "Edwin Blink" <e.p.r.p.blink@pl.hanze.nl>
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> Out of curiousity, what SAM related projects are
> people working on?

Well here we go(some of them). All software this time !!!
 
B-DOS 1.5
PC MOUSE drivers for COMMs interface
SAMtipede
JETPAC (I just love the speccy version)
MODE 3 text editor with MODE 4 graphics.(Same method as I did with 
the BLITZ 6 Menu).
 
And even more. Too many Ideas. I hope too I'll be able to finish them 
all.

Edwin Blink.








> 
> Personally, I'm working on the MIDI to SAM Sequencer
> Song file converter. Presently, in PRO-DOS - with the
> intention of porting it to native SAM. Early estimates
> (from the prototype) show that an 80k .mid file will be
> converted into a SAM Sequencer song file in less than
> 2 minutes - which is slightly better than the 45 minutes
> that the convertor that came with Sequencer said it would
> take. Which is just as well since I've got about 16disks
> worth of midi files to convert to SAM format, yet...
> 
> But, knowing me (Mr. Vapourware himself) I'll probably
> not actually get around to polishing the proggy off for
> releasing... maybe this time. :)
> 
> Justin.
> 
> 
> 

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Fri Oct 30 12:49:31 1998
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> I know I've asked this before (but haven't had an answer yet :(
> but what's the difference between the 1771, 1791, 1793, 1795, 1797,
> 2793, 2797 and the hard-to-get-hold-of 1772?
> 
Perhaps you should check out:
http://www.beavshouse.demon.co.uk/dial/index2.htm

Not tried them myself, but they seem more than eager to sell many other
rare chips, can't hurt to ask them their price!

C9,
Numbly.

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Fri Oct 30 12:49:32 1998
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> Hi,
> 
> Out of curiousity, what SAM related projects are
> people working on?
> 
SAMfighter -and real soon.

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Fri Oct 30 13:25:57 1998
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"Edwin Blink" <e.p.r.p.blink@pl.hanze.nl> writes:

> > Out of curiousity, what SAM related projects are
> > people working on?

Simon's apparently working on something called Statues of Ice ...

;)
Lee.
-- 
I was doing object-oriented assembly at 1 year old ...  
For some reason my mom insists on calling it "Playing with blocks"

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>Simon's apparently working on something called Statues of Ice ...

*laughs*

I'm not normally one to drool over demos.. But I /WANT/
to see this one!!! :)

Jut.


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Edwin wrote:

>And even more. Too many Ideas. I hope too I'll be able to finish them
>all.

Ack! My p[rojects are tiny comapred to that lot!

Justin


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Justin_Skists@case.co.uk wrote:
> 
> >Simon's apparently working on something called Statues of Ice ...
> 
> *laughs*
> 
> I'm not normally one to drool over demos.. But I /WANT/
> to see this one!!! :)

I think you might see my version of JSW first :(

David


From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Fri Oct 30 20:40:56 1998
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> > > Out of curiousity, what SAM related projects are
> > > people working on?
> 
> Simon's apparently working on something called Statues of
> Ice ...
> 
> ;)
> Lee.

Oooh, people can be *so* cruel ;-)

Maria.



From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Fri Oct 30 21:11:46 1998
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Maria Rookyard wrote:
> > Simon's apparently working on something called Statues of
> > Ice ...
> >
> > ;)
> > Lee.
> 
> Oooh, people can be *so* cruel ;-)
> 
> Maria.

I'm not the only bitchy one ;)


From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Fri Oct 30 22:17:22 1998
  for <sam-users@nvg.unit.no>; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 17:09:04 -0500 (EST)
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Well, here we are - over a year and a half after I handed over FRED to my
successor, Mr Darren Wileman. And we are now six months into the reign of the
most recent candidate for the FRED throne, Mr George Boyle.

For various reasons - some of which probably involve me, the combined efforts
of both has taken FRED absolutely nowhere. I've lost track of how many issues
of the magazine have appeared in these 20 months but I have a hunch it has
been five - and it doesn't take a Bruce Gordon to work out that from being an
absolutely, resolutely monthly magazine, it has now turned into something that
is not even close to being quarterly.

An embarrassing shambles.

The current situation is that although DW has signed a contract returning FRED
to me, I have *not* yet signed it. Hence FRED still lies fully with him - all
properties, copyrights and obligations. GB however, has not signed a contract
turning FRED over to him - and despite the alleged appearance of one issue in
the six months he's "taken over" - looks unlikely to do so.

Because I still work in games, I'm not legally able to take FRED back, so I
have to look at other possibilities.

As you may remember, when FRED was originally looking for a new home two years
ago, one of the options that was ruled out was Format. Both I and Bob agreed
that the SAM needs as much support as possible, and that if an 'outsider'
could be found, it'd be a far preferable alternative to bringing FRED into the
Format fold.

Now it seems, I can't afford such pride. Format already does two monthly
magazines, and taking on a third simply isn't an option. What is feasible
though, is that Format could take over the publishing and distribution side of
FRED in order to keep all FRED titles available. So that's the high-risk -
although admittedly, high-profit side of things covered.

The magazine still needs a home, and I'm looking for suggestions : names,
ideas, ways forward - anything that can keep FRED going until at least the
illustrious issue 100.

I can be reached either by email at Gouranga@aol.com or after 7pm and weekends
on 01382 456449.

Colin

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Fri Oct 30 22:23:53 1998
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Gouranga@aol.com wrote:

> The current situation is that although DW has signed a contract returning FRED
> to me, I have *not* yet signed it. Hence FRED still lies fully with him - all
> properties, copyrights and obligations. GB however, has not signed a contract
> turning FRED over to him - and despite the alleged appearance of one issue in
> the six months he's "taken over" - looks unlikely to do so.

Well, that's odd as not only has he released one issue, the next issue
(from what I understand) is about to be released in a matter of a couple
of weeks... before his next show I'd expect.

So, what's you're beef? He's done more than DW did... and speaking of
him, he's kept myself and another SAM owner on this list waiting for
bloody ages for some SAM hardware we bought from him too!

> As you may remember, when FRED was originally looking for a new home two years
> ago, one of the options that was ruled out was Format. Both I and Bob agreed
> that the SAM needs as much support as possible, and that if an 'outsider'
> could be found, it'd be a far preferable alternative to bringing FRED into the
> Format fold.

Yeah. Some people are not so happy with Format.... are they? 

> The magazine still needs a home, and I'm looking for suggestions : names,
> ideas, ways forward - anything that can keep FRED going until at least the
> illustrious issue 100.

It's got one, it's with George, and I for one have just placed a sub as
I was fairly impressed.
 
> I can be reached either by email at Gouranga@aol.com or after 7pm and weekends

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Statues of ice has been cancelled due to GLOBAL WARMING.

Maria, why did you not bring this chocolate mouse to my 50th birthday party,
all we did was sit drinking lager and playing about with the SAM (not covered
in chocolate).

M.D.L.M

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David wrote:
> 
> Gouranga@aol.com wrote:
> 
> > The current situation is that although DW has signed a contract returning FRED
> > to me, I have *not* yet signed it. Hence FRED still lies fully with him - all
> > properties, copyrights and obligations. GB however, has not signed a contract
> > turning FRED over to him - and despite the alleged appearance of one issue in
> > the six months he's "taken over" - looks unlikely to do so.
 
> Well, that's odd as not only has he released one issue, the next issue
> (from what I understand) is about to be released in a matter of a couple
> of weeks... before his next show I'd expect.


And on this subject, as most of the 6 months (apparantly) he didn't
actually have any of the Fred material (it was with Allen Clarkson or
something?) .... let alone a readers
database (and from what I understand, that was in such a state that
there was no clear indication regarding people who had resubbed...!)
that it's possibly only really 2-3 months of this time span that he'd
had any ability to do anything with the Fredstuff anyway...

If that's the case, 1 issue - bimonthly - is not such a bad feat!

I remember it took Malcolm about 3-4 months to sort out the mess I made
with my subs to Prime, and at least he could speak directly to me about
that. I don't suppose George has the luxary of that with Darren?

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Fri Oct 30 22:58:16 1998
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PersonaHQ@aol.com wrote:
> Maria, why did you not bring this chocolate mouse to my 50th birthday party,

Chocolate Mouse? ;) 

Yum, yum!

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sat Oct 31 12:39:26 1998
From: "Maria Rookyard" <Rookyard@btinternet.com>
To: "SAM Users Mailing List" <sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no>
Subject: law .... a query!
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At the risk of starting a fight here, can I ask about copyright. A friend of
mine (no Simon, it isn't Paul!) is setting up a website, but he's not sure
what he can and can't put up. Here's his request, any thoughts/advice would
be welcome.

"Any Law students out there, I have a query:
It's about copyright; things like photos of footballers, the teams' shields,
or even java applets with for example the present time in Spain... is that
copyright? And were I to touch the odd image up (ie. by reversing them),
could I be fined? Or is the legal system so complicated that people tend to
let it go by?"

I'm not sure how much you guys know about football, but I reckoned you were
the ones to ask about copyright and java and stuff :-)

If anyone can help, please let me know. Send it direct to me if you want to
save clogging up the list. The address is of course Rookyard@btinternet.com


Thanks in advance.

Maria.








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> PersonaHQ@aol.com wrote:
> > Maria, why did you not bring this chocolate mouse to my 50th birthday party,
> 
> Chocolate Mouse? ;) 
> 
> Yum, yum!

It wasn't a Topic, was it?

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sun Nov  1 00:24:50 1998
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>Talking of the DOS, we've got both the ROMs and MASTERDOS source
>files on the ftp site... but not SAMDOS2. Any reason why not?

Because the source for that is copyright to Bruce Gordon, I believe... 
and not only that, but all my disks are back in the UK...

Si
(I had the ROM and MasterDOS source on CD, you see...)


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>Simon's apparently working on something called Statues of Ice ...
>
>;)

Oh, look, someone's just come running past shouting something about the 
Ides of March.

Oh, look, someone's just come running past with a knife and stabbed me 
in the back!

My god! I know who it was!

;)

Si


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First, this is said with the full knowledge of Colin MacDonald,

FRED is now run by George Boyle, and from the start George has had countless
problems, what with the FRED stuff going to Alan Clarkeson first, then via him
to George, and still not all of the material relating to FRED has reached
George.

According to Colin the ownership of FRED is still with Darren Wileman, if this
is the case then Colin can not ask if anyone wants to take over, and Darren
has already quoted George as the new owner, and if this is so then the only
one who can ask this question would be Darren himself.

George does not have the privilage of E-mail, and did not know that Colin
MacDonald had posted his statement to the mailing list, I have been in touch
with George who is not, to say the least happy with the statement by Colin
MacDonald.

When George took over the running of FRED he was given a number of uncashed
cheques totaling £110.00, the first issue of FRED magazine (82) that George
produced cost a total of £200, now as you can see from the begining George has
started in the RED.

This by the way, was done by George and George alone, not one of the old FRED
team has helped George in any way, so it is supprising that an issue ever
appeared.

There are a number of people that subscribed to FRED magazine upto and
including issue 92! Where I ask is the money from these subscribers? George
estimates that around £1000,00 is unacounted for, Colin say`s that when a
business changes hands money does not have to also, this may be the case
regarding commercial software, but not the money recieved by the former owners
regarding subscriptions (as this is an ongoing thing), and should in all
honesty be passed on.

When I took over Phoenix Software Systems from David Ledbury it was agreed
that any money owed for any reason would be paid by David to me, this
agreement has been fully upheld, I hope that in the future George can make a
similar statement (but looking at the amount of money missing I doubt it).

There have been statements in a SAM magazine that they have been doing all
they can to help in the transition of FRED to its new owners, George has asked
me to say that he has never recieved any help from anyone, and if anyone wants
to contact him they can phone or write.

The address to write to is:

GEORGE T. BOYLE,
32 BARLEYFIELDS ROAD,
WETHERBY,
WEST YORKSHIRE,
LS22 6PN.

M.D.L.M (PERSONA) The users choice!

PS. The northern SAM & SPECCY SHOW will be held in NORWICH, nr BOLTON on the
28th NOVEMBER, Booking forms can be obtained from the above address.