From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Nov 1 05:42:53 1998 Message-ID: <363C71D8.662A@persona.clara.net> Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 06:36:08 -0800 From: David Organization: The foundation of green eggs and ham X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SAM projects and things SAM related References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 222 Lines: 6 PersonaHQ@aol.com wrote: > > PS. The northern SAM & SPECCY SHOW will be held in NORWICH, nr BOLTON on the > 28th NOVEMBER, Booking forms can be obtained from the above address. BTW - It's actually Horwich you'll find ;) From imc Sun Nov 1 13:33:02 1998 Subject: Re: SAM projects and things SAM related In-Reply-To: from "PersonaHQ@aol.com" at "Oct 31, 98 09:28:34 pm" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 13:33:02 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 427 Lines: 11 On Sat, 31 Oct 1998 21:28:34 EST, PersonaHQ@aol.com said: > PS. The northern SAM & SPECCY SHOW will be held in NORWICH, nr BOLTON on the > 28th NOVEMBER, Booking forms can be obtained from the above address. If Norwich is near Bolton then I should almost be able to walk to Gloucester from Oxford... Speaking of Gloucester, we *still* haven't heard from anyone who was there (assuming there actually was anyone there). imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Nov 1 14:50:56 1998 Message-Id: <199811011447.PAA27537@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: "Robert van der Veeke" To: Subject: Re: SAM projects and things SAM related Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 15:47:14 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 463 Lines: 13 > Van: Ian Collier > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Onderwerp: Re: SAM projects and things SAM related > Datum: Sunday, November 01, 1998 2:33 > Speaking of Gloucester, we *still* haven't heard from anyone who was > there (assuming there actually was anyone there). Well.... Bob was there so who is the other one? -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Currently listening to : Magic Knight Rayearth - Best Song Book From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Nov 1 16:25:39 1998 Message-ID: <363D07A2.30B2@persona.clara.net> Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 17:15:14 -0800 From: David Organization: The foundation of green eggs and ham X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SAM projects and things SAM related References: <199811011447.PAA27537@mailserv.caiw.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 373 Lines: 15 Robert van der Veeke wrote: > > Speaking of Gloucester, we *still* haven't heard from anyone who was > > there (assuming there actually was anyone there). > > Well.... Bob was there so who is the other one? OOooooo! Bitchy ;) Seriously, I understand from speaking to GB recently, that it's looking like quite a decent turnout. Good! Worth me traveling to then. David From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Nov 1 16:25:39 1998 Message-ID: <363D07C3.70DB@persona.clara.net> Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 17:15:47 -0800 From: David Organization: The foundation of green eggs and ham X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SAM projects and things SAM related References: <199811011333.NAA10307@ruby.comlab> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 397 Lines: 11 Ian Collier wrote: > > On Sat, 31 Oct 1998 21:28:34 EST, PersonaHQ@aol.com said: > > PS. The northern SAM & SPECCY SHOW will be held in NORWICH, nr BOLTON on the > > 28th NOVEMBER, Booking forms can be obtained from the above address. > > If Norwich is near Bolton then I should almost be able to walk to > Gloucester from Oxford... Errr.... I think Malcolm mistyped that one a little ;) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Nov 1 16:32:35 1998 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 11:26:03 -0500 (EST) From: Gouranga@aol.com Message-ID: <3ac67a4.363c8b9b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 11:26:03 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: SAM projects and things SAM related Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 165 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 361 Lines: 13 Whatever. The bottom line is that FRED's future is not stable, and regardless of who doesn't like it, I won't be happy until FRED is properly signed - I'm past caring whether it is to George Boyle, Bob Brenchley, Dave Ledbury, Santa Claus etc. ***** I JUST WANT IT SIGNED!! ***** > First, this is said with the full knowledge of Colin MacDonald > > etc. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Nov 1 20:47:11 1998 Message-Id: <199811012009.VAA11350@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: "Robert van der Veeke" To: Subject: Re: SAM projects and things SAM related Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 21:09:11 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 961 Lines: 24 > Van: David > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Onderwerp: Re: SAM projects and things SAM related > Datum: Monday, November 02, 1998 2:15 > > Robert van der Veeke wrote: > > > Speaking of Gloucester, we *still* haven't heard from anyone who was > > > there (assuming there actually was anyone there). > > > > Well.... Bob was there so who is the other one? > > OOooooo! Bitchy ;) Well actually something like that happend at one of the HCC-Sinclair meetings in Houten earlier this year, somehow the editors of Computer Totaal (HCC-magazine, something like Format, but with more money and subcribers :) had screwed up the agenda so actually almost no one knew. Martijn and I went to that meeting, and it turned out that finally only four people showed up that day (wich includes Martijn and me off course). -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Currently listening to : Magic Knight Rayearth - Best Song Book From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Nov 1 21:07:34 1998 Message-ID: <363D4709.3EDC@persona.clara.net> Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 21:45:45 -0800 From: David Organization: The foundation of green eggs and ham X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SAM-Users Mailing List Subject: Hardware peeps... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 86 Lines: 3 So, how many people here are actually interested in tinkering with any SAM hardware? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Nov 1 23:17:45 1998 Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 23:14:26 +0000 (GMT) From: D A Fulton To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Hardware peeps... In-Reply-To: <363D4709.3EDC@persona.clara.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 115 Lines: 6 > So, how many people here are actually interested in tinkering with any > SAM hardware? How do you mean? Dave. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Nov 1 23:25:16 1998 Message-ID: <363D6AA9.35CD@persona.clara.net> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 00:17:45 -0800 From: David Organization: The foundation of green eggs and ham X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Hardware peeps... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 204 Lines: 10 D A Fulton wrote: > > > So, how many people here are actually interested in tinkering with any > > SAM hardware? > > How do you mean? > > Dave. IE actually doing any serious building of new projects. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 2 09:57:38 1998 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 04:53:51 -0500 (EST) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 04:53:51 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Disk Controllers... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1398 Lines: 36 In a message dated 30/10/98 09:13:50, you write: >I think the 1772 is a generally improved version of the 1770, with >new head stepo rates - I think the 1770 was 6ms, 12ms, 20ms, and 30ms, >whereas the 1772 is 2ms, 3ms, 6ms and 12ms. Or something like that. Also, IIRC, the 1770 only handled single density drives. > >I think the 1770 and 1772 are pin compatible, but if you can't >get hold of a 1772, then you ain't gonna get a 1770! Very true. > >When I've asked about tweaking the DOS for a new controller before, >the response seems to have been that it is impossible.... but >I can't believe it's too tricky for some dedicated hacker. The 1772 family does things rather differently than the current generation of chips. It would not be impossible, but it would be hard work - especially in getting a system that enabled existing 'protected' software to work. However, all may not be lost. The full secrets of the 1772 are available in the Tech manual, so I think it would be easier to use a small interface card to 'translate' between the DOS (with its 1772 commands) and some other controller. This is down as one of the projects for the SAMSON. > >Talking of the DOS, we've got both the ROMs and MASTERDOS source >files on the ftp site... but not SAMDOS2. Any reason why not? It does not exist any more. Mr Gordon lost it, along with several other valuable items :( > >Andy -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 2 12:02:57 1998 by 1.0.10.115 with SMTP; 2 Nov 1998 09:56:40 -0000 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <802566B0.00362EAB.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 09:53:22 +0000 Subject: Re: Hardware peeps... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 239 Lines: 10 > > So, how many people here are actually interested in tinkering with any >> > SAM hardware? > >IE actually doing any serious building of new projects. Tinkering, yes... Serious, umm... you know my record with finishing things... Jut. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 2 13:30:17 1998 Date: Mon, 2 Nov 98 13:12:38 GMT Message-ID: <1129_OASIS_@lhutz.demon.co.uk> From: 8bit@itdoesntsuck.com (James R Curry) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Mailer: OASIS Post Box (Atari) v1.31E Subject: Re: SAM projects and things SA X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 781 Lines: 29 In E-Mail <199811011333.NAA10307@ruby.comlab> Ian Collier wrote:- >If Norwich is near Bolton then I should almost be able to walk to >Gloucester from Oxford... ...and Simon shouldn't have had any problem getting back to shows from Seattle. ;) >Speaking of Gloucester, we *still* haven't heard from anyone who was >there (assuming there actually was anyone there). Okay, okay! I admit it. I was there! I was there, dammit!! __ James R Curry - 8bit@itdoesntsuck.com "You're missing the point! The individual doesn't matter. It was a team effort, and I was the one who came up with the whole team idea...me!" - Homer Simpson, The Simpsons. Please insert meaningless promise about The Official James R Curry web page here... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 2 13:59:04 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1129_OASIS_@lhutz.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 13:49:07 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: SAM projects and things SA X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 587 Lines: 18 At 1:12 pm +0000 2/11/98, James R Curry wrote: > Ian Collier wrote:- >>Speaking of Gloucester, we *still* haven't heard from anyone who was >>there (assuming there actually was anyone there). > >Okay, okay! I admit it. I was there! I was there, dammit!! Well tell us what happened then! Andrew -- | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he +----------------+-----------------------------+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 2 15:04:45 1998 From: "Kevin Cooper" Organization: Kevin Cooper Date: 2 Nov 98 14:32:09 +0000 Subject: Re: SAM projects and things SAM related Message-Id: In-Reply-To: To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: MicroDot-II/AmigaOS NC 1.0 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 196 Lines: 8 Hi Folks... > PS. The northern SAM & SPECCY SHOW will be held in NORWICH, nr BOLTON on the > 28th NOVEMBER, Booking forms can be obtained from the above address. That'll be Horwich is it? Kev. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 2 15:04:46 1998 by 1.0.10.115 with SMTP; 2 Nov 1998 14:28:21 -0000 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <802566B0.004F2DA9.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 14:25:00 +0000 Subject: Re: SAM projects and things SAM related Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 70 Lines: 6 Maybe i should, actually, go to one of these shows one day... Jut. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 2 15:41:19 1998 Message-ID: <40xLYTAK5cP2Ew9P@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 15:22:50 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: SAM projects and things SAM related In-Reply-To: <199811011333.NAA10307@ruby.comlab> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 <8OHKkEUpoELRXEckwUjJGSM0AF> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 746 Lines: 22 In message <199811011333.NAA10307@ruby.comlab>, Ian Collier writes >On Sat, 31 Oct 1998 21:28:34 EST, PersonaHQ@aol.com said: >> PS. The northern SAM & SPECCY SHOW will be held in NORWICH, nr BOLTON on the >> 28th NOVEMBER, Booking forms can be obtained from the above address. > >If Norwich is near Bolton then I should almost be able to walk to >Gloucester from Oxford... > >Speaking of Gloucester, we *still* haven't heard from anyone who was >there (assuming there actually was anyone there). If only tumbleweed could write e-mails... ;) Graham Goring -- /====================================\ | Ber-Limey! There's not even enough | |room to swing a cat in this sodding-| \=========== ICQ: 5333545 ===========/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 2 20:01:41 1998 Message-ID: <363E8CC0.4569@persona.clara.net> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 20:55:28 -0800 From: David Organization: The foundation of green eggs and ham X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SAM projects and things SAM related References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 256 Lines: 12 Kevin Cooper wrote: > > Hi Folks... > > > PS. The northern SAM & SPECCY SHOW will be held in NORWICH, nr BOLTON on the > > 28th NOVEMBER, Booking forms can be obtained from the above address. > > That'll be Horwich is it? > > Kev. Yep, not Norwich :) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 2 20:01:42 1998 Message-ID: <363E8C93.4E4@persona.clara.net> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 20:54:43 -0800 From: David Organization: The foundation of green eggs and ham X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Disk Controllers... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1793 Lines: 45 BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 30/10/98 09:13:50, you write: > > >I think the 1772 is a generally improved version of the 1770, with > >new head stepo rates - I think the 1770 was 6ms, 12ms, 20ms, and 30ms, > >whereas the 1772 is 2ms, 3ms, 6ms and 12ms. Or something like that. > > Also, IIRC, the 1770 only handled single density drives. > > > >I think the 1770 and 1772 are pin compatible, but if you can't > >get hold of a 1772, then you ain't gonna get a 1770! > > Very true. > > > >When I've asked about tweaking the DOS for a new controller before, > >the response seems to have been that it is impossible.... but > >I can't believe it's too tricky for some dedicated hacker. > > The 1772 family does things rather differently than the current generation of > chips. It would not be impossible, but it would be hard work - especially in > getting a system that enabled existing 'protected' software to work. > > However, all may not be lost. The full secrets of the 1772 are available in > the Tech manual, so I think it would be easier to use a small interface card > to 'translate' between the DOS (with its 1772 commands) and some other > controller. This is down as one of the projects for the SAMSON. > > > >Talking of the DOS, we've got both the ROMs and MASTERDOS source > >files on the ftp site... but not SAMDOS2. Any reason why not? > > It does not exist any more. Mr Gordon lost it, along with several other > valuable items :( Nice to see you not using the long sig on the mailing list Bob :) Question for Bob.... How far is this disk controller interface from construction? As the disk chip is one of the hardest parts for us to obtain for the SAM? And as I said before, can any of the previous chips listed above be used in any extent? David From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 2 20:42:01 1998 From: nevilley@nfy53.demon.co.uk () To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SAM projects and things SA Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 20:37:58 GMT Organization: nfy53 Message-ID: <364117ff.4055359@post.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 648 Lines: 21 On Mon, 2 Nov 1998 13:49:07 +0000, Andrew Collier wrote: > At 1:12 pm +0000 2/11/98, James R Curry wrote: > > Ian Collier wrote:- > > >>Speaking of Gloucester, we *still* haven't heard from anyone who was > >>there (assuming there actually was anyone there). > > > >Okay, okay! I admit it. I was there! I was there, dammit!! > > Well tell us what happened then! > We had a good lunch in the pub and Annie's car broke down. Thats about it realy. -- Nev - no longer at nevilley@ndirect.co.uk and getting no spam at all (yet) Webpage under construction at www,nfy53,demon,co,uk also hiding on ICQ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 2 23:01:58 1998 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 17:50:23 -0500 (EST) From: PersonaHQ@aol.com Message-ID: <1cbd63f.363e372f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 17:50:23 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: SAM projects and things SA Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 175 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 256 Lines: 9 OK! OK! I SPELT IT WRONG! I had drunk about ten bottles and two cans of lager, it was late and I missed the bloody `H` key! Malcolm (sober) Mackenzie. PS. I was going to write `pissed` instead of drunk, but I am told that I should not swear in E-mails. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Nov 3 12:01:29 1998 3 Nov 98 12:55:00 GMT+1 From: "Edwin Blink" Organization: Hanzehogeschool Groningen To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 12:54:42 MET Subject: Re: Disk Controllers... X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 641 Lines: 19 > >I think the 1772 is a generally improved version of the 1770, with > >new head stepo rates - I think the 1770 was 6ms, 12ms, 20ms, and 30ms, > >whereas the 1772 is 2ms, 3ms, 6ms and 12ms. Or something like that. The steprate (and the writeprecompensation) are the only diferences between the 1770 and 1772. > Also, IIRC, the 1770 only handled single density drives. Not true the 1770 can be hardware switched between single and double density as the 1772. > >I think the 1770 and 1772 are pin compatible, but if you can't > >get hold of a 1772, then you ain't gonna get a 1770! Yes they are fully pin compatible. Edwin Blink. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Nov 3 18:58:17 1998 Message-Id: <199811031848.TAA22253@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: "Robert van der Veeke" To: Subject: Re: Disk Controllers... Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 19:47:43 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 625 Lines: 18 > Van: Edwin Blink > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Onderwerp: Re: Disk Controllers... > Datum: Tuesday, November 03, 1998 1:54 > > Also, IIRC, the 1770 only handled single density drives. > > Not true the 1770 can be hardware switched between single and double > density as the 1772. Somehow I am getting a feeling of deja-vue here. Edwin if my guesses are right than you wrote this in a answer to Bob before in a answer on the differences between the 1770 and 1772. -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Currently listening to : Magic Knight Rayearth - Best Song Book From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Nov 3 20:25:15 1998 X-Authentication-Warning: electron.mono.org: unc owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 20:21:42 +0000 (GMT) From: Tim To: Sam Users Mailing List Subject: Zelda... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 368 Lines: 13 Mooo.... I seem to recall from an old Freditorial that someone was working on a zelda like RPG. Anyone know what happened to this? And I was the 5th person at the Glos Show. Bleat. .............................................................................@/ Unc - Tim Paveley - Moderator of "The Games Room" & "Ascii Animations" http://www.mono.org/~unc/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Nov 3 21:33:58 1998 Message-ID: <363FF3E0.674E@persona.clara.net> Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 22:27:44 -0800 From: David Organization: The foundation of green eggs and ham X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Zelda... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id VAA24448 Status: RO Content-Length: 325 Lines: 20 Tim wrote: > > Mooo.... > > I seem to recall from an old Freditorial that someone was working on a > zelda like RPG. > > Anyone know what happened to this? Yes. It was being written by Wayne Coles after he finished Kaboom. Hmmm. > And I was the 5th person at the Glos Show. I am not a number, I am a free man ;) 1¾ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Nov 3 22:16:49 1998 Message-Id: <199811032211.WAA02368@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> 3 Nov 98 22:11:52 +0000 From: "dave hooper" <9531427@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Organization: stripwax paranoia consultants To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 22:11:45 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: what are people doing? X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 229 Lines: 8 < what are the current SAM projects? > well, i'd like to say i'm working on (helping a bit with) a win32 port of simcoupe, but .. i dunno what's happening anymore. not my project, i'm just doing the sound. i think. dave dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Nov 3 23:02:59 1998 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: sskardon@argonet.co.uk (Stewart Skardon) Illegal-Object: Syntax error in Reply-To: address found on sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no: Reply-To: Me! ^-expected word To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 3 Nov 98 22:58:03 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Web Page links Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 562 Lines: 24 Hello everyone, I've just noticed that a number of people still have links to the Crashed site as http://box.argonet....etc. It should be www.argonet....etc Could everyone please check their links as the server 'box.argonet' has now been removed. Thanks. Stewart -- _ (_'tewart email : sskardon@argonet.co.uk ,_)kardon http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/stewart/ ICQ : 18283999 * * * Stewart's SAM Information Pages. * * * http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/sampages/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Nov 3 23:09:37 1998 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 17:55:34 -0500 (EST) From: PersonaHQ@aol.com Message-ID: <85684059.363f89e6@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 17:55:34 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Zelda... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 175 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 49 Lines: 2 Dave, I hope that was a number, and not a size! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Nov 4 00:20:13 1998 Message-ID: <19981104001436.11191.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.78] From: "Simon Cooke" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: what are people doing? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 16:14:36 PST X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 542 Lines: 18 >< what are the current SAM projects? > > >well, i'd like to say i'm working on (helping a bit with) a win32 >port of simcoupe, but .. i dunno what's happening anymore. not my >project, i'm just doing the sound. i think. > >dave I've been swamped, and I don't currently have a home computer. This will change, some time after I've bought my yearly flight back to the motherland, and after I've found a new place to live. Si ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Nov 4 12:16:11 1998 4 Nov 98 13:00:40 GMT+1 From: "Edwin Blink" Organization: Hanzehogeschool, Groningen To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 13:00:08 MET Subject: Re: Disk Controllers... X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 243 Lines: 8 > Somehow I am getting a feeling of deja-vue here. Edwin if my guesses are > right than you wrote this in a answer to Bob before in a answer on the > differences between the 1770 and 1772. That's right. I did wrote it before Edwin Blink. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Nov 5 15:51:39 1998 5 Nov 98 15:45:43 BST From: "Matthew Craven" Organization: Umist To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 15:45:19 BST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: NSSS X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <3DE5CF11A31@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 99 Lines: 6 Hi, Again, I have forgotten when the next NSSS is supposed to be. Could someone fill me in? MJC. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Nov 5 16:09:29 1998 5 Nov 98 16:04:03 BST From: "Matthew Craven" Organization: Umist To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 16:03:56 BST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: NSSS Again! X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <3DEABF77471@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 147 Lines: 6 Errr.., I forgot to put this in my mail before. In the NSSS show, do people actually sell old machines and equipment and things like that? MJC. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Nov 5 18:35:58 1998 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 17:46:57 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Elite In-Reply-To: <3DEABF77471@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 <8OHKkEUpoELRXEckwUjJGSM0AF> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 834 Lines: 31 Due to my blatant mistrust of Mr Brenchley I decided to put the question of copyright to the very nice David Braben. Here's what he said: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Graham, I own the rights, together with a friend of Ian Bell. So, no it's not legal, but it sounds like they are not really doing much harm. David ------------------------------------------------------------------------ So there you are, Bob's argument as to his ownership of the copyright of the 8 bit versions (as it was those in particular that I quizzed David about) is full of crap. As I suspected. But luckily, Bob's just harmless. Graham Goring -- /====================================\ | Ber-Limey! There's not even enough | |room to swing a cat in this sodding-| \=========== ICQ: 5333545 ===========/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Nov 5 22:25:31 1998 Message-ID: <3642A203.432F@persona.clara.net> Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 23:15:15 -0800 From: David X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: NSSS Again! References: <3DEABF77471@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 416 Lines: 17 Matthew Craven wrote: > > Errr.., > > I forgot to put this in my mail before. In the NSSS show, do people > actually sell old machines and equipment and things like that? > > MJC. Yes they do ... in fact I have a 2.5" HD I'm selling off (just got myself a much bigger one for my Atom ;) Oh, BTW, the shows on the 28th November.... see the link to the site from the Persona site on www.persona.clara.net David From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Nov 5 22:25:32 1998 Message-ID: <3642A231.2727@persona.clara.net> Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 23:16:01 -0800 From: David X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Elite References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 50 Lines: 4 > > But luckily, Bob's just harmless. Mostly ;) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Nov 5 22:47:29 1998 Message-Id: <199811052241.XAA16304@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: "Robert van der Veeke" To: Subject: Re: Elite Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 23:40:47 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 576 Lines: 17 > Van: Graham Goring > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Onderwerp: Elite > Datum: Thursday, November 05, 1998 6:46 > But luckily, Bob's just harmless. Wich then gives us baiscally the same right to make a Sam version of Elite and spread it for free and Bob can not do a thing about it. It is not right in legal terms, but Braben is not considering taking any steps. "Hey Martijn i just got this wonderfull idea :)" -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Currently listening to : Magic Knight Rayearth - Best Song Book From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Nov 5 22:50:44 1998 From: nick@the-den.clara.net (Nick Humphries) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Elite Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 22:44:10 GMT Organization: Nick's Den Message-ID: <36422934.241163@relay.clara.net> References: <199811052241.XAA16304@mailserv.caiw.nl> In-Reply-To: <199811052241.XAA16304@mailserv.caiw.nl> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1397 Lines: 30 On Thu, 5 Nov 1998 23:40:47 +0100 Thu, 5 Nov 98 22:42:49 GMT, you wrote: >> Van: Graham Goring >> Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no >> Onderwerp: Elite >> Datum: Thursday, November 05, 1998 6:46 > >> But luckily, Bob's just harmless. > >Wich then gives us baiscally the same right to make a Sam version of Elite >and spread it for free and Bob can not do a thing about it. It is not right >in legal terms, but Braben is not considering taking any steps. It is a bit of a kick in the teeth for those people who wanted to do ports of games to SAM but couldn't because they couldn't get permissions from the original licencee. Now here's a precedent which basically says you can port any game to the SAM, charge what you like for it and, because sales are so low, get off scot-free because it's not worth the rightful copyright owner to sue. It's piracy by any other name. Just think - if this happened five or six years ago, the end result would have been Prince Of Persia being sold for the Speccy, and probably a LOT more ports over to the SAM. ------------------------------------------------------- Nick Humphries, nick@the-den.clara.net, at your service ------------------------------------------------------- The Your Sinclair Rock'n'Roll Years http://www.the-den.clara.net/ys/cover.htm ------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Nov 5 23:16:34 1998 Message-Id: <199811052312.AAA24652@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: "Robert van der Veeke" To: Subject: Re: Elite Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 00:12:00 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1553 Lines: 40 > Van: Nick Humphries > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Onderwerp: Re: Elite > Datum: Thursday, November 05, 1998 11:44 > It is a bit of a kick in the teeth for those people who wanted to do ports of > games to SAM but couldn't because they couldn't get permissions from the > original licencee. Now here's a precedent which basically says you can port > any game to the SAM, charge what you like for it and, because sales are so > low, get off scot-free because it's not worth the rightful copyright owner to > sue. It's piracy by any other name. Just keep reminding yourself that all games still have a copyright owner, the Larry Demo comes to mind, Stefan had serious thoughts about making the whole game, but then Sierra is a very big company. Still the Demo is good fun on the HCC-sinclair meetings and in two weeks time on the "HCC dagen", not bad for a rather old demo. Braben not being difficult about Elite does not mean than we can port any game we want. Mind you, Bob was just lucky in this case. So who did actually pay for Bob's version of Elite, bwahahaaaa :) > Just think - if this happened five or six years ago, the end result would have > been Prince Of Persia being sold for the Speccy, and probably a LOT more ports > over to the SAM. It would have made the status of the Sam quite different from what it is today. And give most people on this list a almost god-like status :) -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Currently listening to : Magic Knight Rayearth - Best Song Book From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Nov 5 23:16:34 1998 Message-ID: <3642AED9.6E68@persona.clara.net> Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 00:10:01 -0800 From: David X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Elite References: <199811052241.XAA16304@mailserv.caiw.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 644 Lines: 17 Robert van der Veeke wrote: > > > Van: Graham Goring > > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > > Onderwerp: Elite > > Datum: Thursday, November 05, 1998 6:46 > > > But luckily, Bob's just harmless. > > Wich then gives us baiscally the same right to make a Sam version of Elite > and spread it for free and Bob can not do a thing about it. It is not right > in legal terms, but Braben is not considering taking any steps. > > "Hey Martijn i just got this wonderfull idea :)" If this is the case, its a shame about people who've spent 15 pounds on this rather than 17 pounds on the ORIGINAL game of Stratosphere :( From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Nov 5 23:39:10 1998 Message-Id: <199811052335.AAA00405@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: "Robert van der Veeke" To: Subject: Re: Elite Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 00:34:30 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 839 Lines: 22 > Van: David > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Onderwerp: Re: Elite > Datum: Friday, November 06, 1998 9:10 > > "Hey Martijn i just got this wonderfull idea :)" > > If this is the case, its a shame about people who've spent 15 pounds on > this rather than 17 pounds on the ORIGINAL game of Stratosphere :( Completely right (although I think both games are a bit expensive, but that is my opinion), Stratosphere is a much better and "worth your money" effort compared to the Speccy-Elite with a diskroutine bolted to it. As for Elite, it would definitly mean, taking it apart, see how it works. Can it be improved? and can we put extra options, missions, ships and other things to it? -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Currently listening to : Magic Knight Rayearth - Best Song Book From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Nov 5 23:45:54 1998 Message-ID: <3642B5DE.16A4@persona.clara.net> Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 00:39:58 -0800 From: David X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Elite References: <199811052335.AAA00405@mailserv.caiw.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 241 Lines: 7 Robert van der Veeke wrote: > > As for Elite, it would definitly mean, taking it apart, see how it works. > Can it be improved? and can we put extra options, missions, ships and other > things to it? Have you seen Elite 2 on the Spectrum? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Nov 6 12:14:09 1998 Message-Id: <199811061204.NAA13324@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: "Robert van der Veeke" To: Subject: Re: Elite Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 13:03:17 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 410 Lines: 15 > Van: David > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Onderwerp: Re: Elite > Datum: Friday, November 06, 1998 9:39 > Have you seen Elite 2 on the Spectrum? That is one of those Russian version right? If you have a link or copy for me, it would be most pleasing :) -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Currently listening to : Magic Knight Rayearth - Best Song Book From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Nov 6 17:13:31 1998 Message-ID: <19981106165109.21175.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [194.83.240.17] From: "Mark Sturdy" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Elite MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 08:51:08 PST X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 442 Lines: 14 Robert wrote: >Wich then gives us baiscally the same right to make a Sam version of Elite >and spread it for free and Bob can not do a thing about it. Then why don't you? People have been grumbling about Revelation's Speccy port of Elite for about two-and-a-half years now, but there's been no sign of anything better. Mark ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Nov 11 08:59:29 1998 Message-Id: <199811110852.JAA13313@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: "Robert van der Veeke" To: "Sam users" Subject: Anyone there? Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 09:45:41 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 172 Lines: 7 Well press a key then -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Currently listening to : Magic Knight Rayearth - Best Song Book * it is quit in here * From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Nov 11 09:22:10 1998 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Anyone there? References: <199811110852.JAA13313@mailserv.caiw.nl> X-Face: "J~~0'L`GfL^sW4%+i35x#X308)K/$7\]qy)UZ$`k:}Bx]6mgAA^N5,@brn/19TPn%o;j28 W7mD)UN~se8P9\3?wU.g+i9)X Date: 11 Nov 1998 09:12:49 +0000 In-Reply-To: "Robert van der Veeke"'s message of "Wed, 11 Nov 1998 09:45:41 +0100" Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.070042 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.42) Emacs/20.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 226 Lines: 10 "Robert van der Veeke" writes: > Well press a key then a Lee. -- I was doing object-oriented assembly at 1 year old ... For some reason my mom insists on calling it "Playing with blocks" From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Nov 11 09:48:48 1998 Message-Id: <199811110938.KAA23504@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: "Robert van der Veeke" To: Subject: Re: Anyone there? Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:31:04 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 354 Lines: 16 > Van: Lee Willis > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Onderwerp: Re: Anyone there? > Datum: Wednesday, November 11, 1998 10:12 > > Well press a key then > > a Very good :) At least someone who is still alive -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Currently listening to : Magic Knight Rayearth - Best Song Book From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Nov 11 11:11:58 1998 Message-ID: <001401be0d57$c7f83180$f03ca8c0@DavesPC.orctel.internal> From: "Dave" To: Subject: Re: Anyone there? Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 09:43:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 223 Lines: 15 > > > Well press a key then > > > > a > > Very good :) > > At least someone who is still alive I don't wish to sound pedantic, but surely it takes more than one keypress to mail the letter 'a' to sam-users? :) DMZ --- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Nov 11 11:11:58 1998 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Anyone there? References: <001401be0d57$c7f83180$f03ca8c0@DavesPC.orctel.internal> X-Face: "J~~0'L`GfL^sW4%+i35x#X308)K/$7\]qy)UZ$`k:}Bx]6mgAA^N5,@brn/19TPn%o;j28 W7mD)UN~se8P9\3?wU.g+i9)X Date: 11 Nov 1998 09:53:13 +0000 In-Reply-To: "Dave"'s message of "Wed, 11 Nov 1998 09:43:17 -0000" Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.070042 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.42) Emacs/20.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 628 Lines: 22 "Dave" writes: > > > > Well press a key then > > > > > > a > > > > Very good :) > > > > At least someone who is still alive > > I don't wish to sound pedantic, but surely it takes more than > one keypress to mail the letter 'a' to sam-users? :) Not if I really wanted to :) The beauty of an Open-Source, very configurable mailer written entireyl in elisp. Just have a ready written function that binds the key 'a' to mail a reply containing the letter a to sam-users :) Lee. -- I was doing object-oriented assembly at 1 year old ... For some reason my mom insists on calling it "Playing with blocks" From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Nov 11 11:11:59 1998 Subject: Re: Anyone there? To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:01:58 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <001401be0d57$c7f83180$f03ca8c0@DavesPC.orctel.internal> from "Dave" at Nov 11, 98 09:43:17 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Gale X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 538 Lines: 25 > > > > Well press a key then > > > a > > Very good :) > > At least someone who is still alive > I don't wish to sound pedantic, but surely it takes more than > one keypress to mail the letter 'a' to sam-users? :) > Not really - on my internetted SAM, I have this useful little program burnt onto a CD ROM which autoloads on power-up: 10 LET message$="a" 20 LET to$="sam-users@nvg.unit.no" 30 send(to$, message$) 40 STOP 1000 DEFPROCsend(to$, message$) 1010 : 1020 : Then I just press one key, F4, and hey presto! Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Nov 11 11:11:59 1998 Message-Id: <19981111102307Z49512-29517+670@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> From: To: unlisted-recipients:; (no To-header on input) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 11:23:05 +0100 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 310 Lines: 10 Lovely. Well, _I_ just use telnet, exec_with_piped and a korne shell script to cat SMTP directly to the sabre-wulf smtpd. This is done automatically when I log in, by getting a keypress and sending if the letter is 'a'. I'm sorry I said it takes more than a keypress now... me and my big mouth... :) DMZ --- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Nov 11 11:11:59 1998 Message-Id: From: eep2ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew Gale) Subject: Re: Keyboard interface To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:28:24 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: from "gavinsmith@purple.dircon.co.uk" at Nov 11, 98 02:54:34 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 419 Lines: 13 Hmmm. the pressure is mounting for me to get on and finish my pcb. OK, I'll try and do it next Wednesday! Hopefully, after Christmas I should have something sellable. Andy > I've heard of a few people talking about working on an interface > to connect a PC interface to the SAM, and I think there are one > or two who have completed it. Does anyone actually have one for > sale or one that would be marketable? > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Nov 11 11:11:59 1998 Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 02:54:34 -0800 From: gavinsmith@purple.dircon.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Keyboard interface Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 395 Lines: 11 I've heard of a few people talking about working on an interface to connect a PC interface to the SAM, and I think there are one or two who have completed it. Does anyone actually have one for sale or one that would be marketable? Gavin (at work...) ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! From imc Wed Nov 11 11:48:52 1998 Subject: Re: Anyone there? In-Reply-To: from Lee Willis at "Nov 11, 98 09:53:13 am" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 11:48:52 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 477 Lines: 12 On 11 Nov 1998 09:53:13 +0000, Lee Willis said: > > I don't wish to sound pedantic, but surely it takes more than > > one keypress to mail the letter 'a' to sam-users? :) > Not if I really wanted to :) The beauty of an Open-Source, very > configurable mailer written entireyl in elisp. Just have a ready written > function that binds the key 'a' to mail a reply containing the letter a > to sam-users :) And how many key presses does it take you to write the function? imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Nov 11 12:19:27 1998 11 Nov 98 11:57:47 BST From: "Matthew Craven" Organization: Umist To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 11:57:16 BST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Anyone there? X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <46A94345EE1@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 79 Lines: 4 I just click on reply, press a and then click on send. Only 1 keypress. MJC. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Nov 11 12:19:28 1998 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Anyone there? References: <199811111148.LAA21819@ruby.comlab> X-Face: "J~~0'L`GfL^sW4%+i35x#X308)K/$7\]qy)UZ$`k:}Bx]6mgAA^N5,@brn/19TPn%o;j28 W7mD)UN~se8P9\3?wU.g+i9)X Date: 11 Nov 1998 12:03:31 +0000 In-Reply-To: Ian Collier's message of "Wed, 11 Nov 1998 11:48:52 +0000 (GMT)" Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.070042 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.42) Emacs/20.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 787 Lines: 20 Ian Collier writes: > On 11 Nov 1998 09:53:13 +0000, Lee Willis said: > > > I don't wish to sound pedantic, but surely it takes more than > > > one keypress to mail the letter 'a' to sam-users? :) > > > Not if I really wanted to :) The beauty of an Open-Source, very > > configurable mailer written entireyl in elisp. Just have a ready written > > function that binds the key 'a' to mail a reply containing the letter a > > to sam-users :) > > And how many key presses does it take you to write the function? True, but it'd only take me one keypress to mail the letter. It took lots in preparation, but only one to mail it :) Lee. -- I was doing object-oriented assembly at 1 year old ... For some reason my mom insists on calling it "Playing with blocks" From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Nov 11 15:53:02 1998 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 14:08:37 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: Anyone there? In-Reply-To: <001401be0d57$c7f83180$f03ca8c0@DavesPC.orctel.internal> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 <8OHKkEUpoELRXEckwUjJGSM0AF> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 547 Lines: 23 In message <001401be0d57$c7f83180$f03ca8c0@DavesPC.orctel.internal>, Dave writes >> > > Well press a key then >> > >> > a >> >> Very good :) >> >> At least someone who is still alive > >I don't wish to sound pedantic, but surely it takes more than >one keypress to mail the letter 'a' to sam-users? :) That's why *my* message never got through. ;) Graham Goring -- /====================================\ | Ber-Limey! There's not even enough | |room to swing a cat in this sodding-| \=========== ICQ: 5333545 ===========/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Nov 11 17:36:41 1998 From: The Mad Goose Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 16:29:52 GMT+0 Subject: What's in santa's sack? X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <421A2AC71F6@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 829 Lines: 20 Christmas is on the way (obviously) and so, being in the festive mood, I thought I'd set everybody a challenge. Obviously there is little new and exciting available for the Sam, and certainly if there is any new releases in the pipeline they're being kept fairly quiet, but if I had, say stlg50 to spend on Sam stuff this Christmas, what would the list reccommend I should buy with it? And maybe it's around about now that both the bearded one and Persona tell us what they have in store for us this winter? Remember the days of Lemmings as the big Chistmas release? What piece of software is going to encourage everybody to stick with the Sam through this year and beyond? Anybody? Peace, Love, Kisses... JohnnaPig Teare JPOL: http://www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Nov 11 21:49:20 1998 From: Peter Harkess To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 21:43:51 +0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0Preview6 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Subject: Sim-Coupe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 335 Lines: 14 Hello, Since i'll be joining the mass of P.C. users at the end of the week i'd like to know what's the most up to date version of sim-coupe and what files i should get to go with it also where to get it? Anyone help? -- Be careful of reading health books, you might die of a misprint. -- Mark Twain cheers Peter Harkess From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Nov 12 00:39:27 1998 Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 00:35:48 +0000 (GMT) From: D A Fulton To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: New game (maybe) In-Reply-To: <421A2AC71F6@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1311 Lines: 28 Hi, I don't want to be responsible for vapourware so I'm not making any promises here...BUT: Would anybody be interested in a game for the SAM (possibly even the Speccy) called "Palmyra"? The game is based on the board game by the same name (and you've probably never heard of it because practically no-one has!). But it's about buying and selling stocks of three commodities based on limited information about how the prices are going to change. Basically, it's a stocks and shares game - not terribly exciting and action packed but playable. The reason I ask is that this is currently my final year degree project. I'm supposed to implement this in Modula-2 on the PC and then spend large amounts of time creating an AI computer player (this being the main focus of the project). At the time of writing, the basic PC deliverable (human players only) is nearing completion and I reckon it shouldn't be too difficult to implement on the SAM in machine code since I'll have all the design documentation. It's not the most exciting game in the world and the hypothetical release date would probably be some time after my finals (although I may do some work on it over Christmas) but I just wondered - is there any interest out there? I reckon the AI could be implemented to some degree as well. Dave. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Nov 12 20:30:44 1998 Message-ID: <364A231F.C99BE95E@purple.dircon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 00:52:01 +0100 From: Gavin Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: New game (maybe) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1009 Lines: 25 D A Fulton wrote: > Would anybody be interested in a game for the SAM (possibly even the > Speccy) called "Palmyra"? Yes, indeedy, I'd be interested in it. I love business/management games, and there isn't really a decent stocks and shares one on the SAM (never mind the Speccy). I used to have one on the Acorn Electron that was great fun, but that was many years ago *sniff*. And hard luck having to do Modula-2 - I had to do it as well, and it's completely f*cking useless, employers don't want to know you if you can't code in C/C++. Be thankful you aren't my younger brother, who has to learn Cobol this year in college!!! That will come in damn useful after the year 2000, I don't think. -- ********************************************************** Home - gavinsmith@purple.dircon.co.uk Work - gavsmith@nortel.com Website - http://www.purple.dircon.co.uk IRC - SparkY or SparkYY on #TheLocal or #SAM-Community ********************************************************** From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Nov 12 21:11:00 1998 X-Authentication-Warning: crimson.mono.org: unc owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 20:57:15 +0000 (GMT) From: Tim To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: What's in santa's sack? In-Reply-To: <421A2AC71F6@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 556 Lines: 17 On Wed, 11 Nov 1998, The Mad Goose wrote: > Christmas is on the way (obviously) and so, being in the festive > mood, I thought I'd set everybody a challenge. Register EGGBuM for a tenner, and buy "The Sad Snail Collection" of me for another tenner. Spend the other 30 on a second hand megadrive and a couple of games. ;-) Actually, expect the SScollection on nvg/mono.org in time for Xmas, featuring 3 new never seen before games. Unless you have seen the disk I sent Colin A or gave to Colin M, or you were at the show, or you know me ;) ....@/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Nov 13 07:55:18 1998 From: Frode Tenneboe Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 08:51:18 +0100 Message-Id: <9811130751.AA13620@asmal.edh.ericsson.se> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: New game (maybe) X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1352 Lines: 34 > Yes, indeedy, I'd be interested in it. I love business/management games, and > there isn't really a decent stocks and shares one on the SAM (never mind the > Speccy). I used to have one on the Acorn Electron that was great fun, but > that was many years ago *sniff*. And hard luck having to do Modula-2 - I had Agree - any new game for the SAM is a Good Thing. > to do it as well, and it's completely f*cking useless, employers don't want > to know you if you can't code in C/C++. Be thankful you aren't my younger > brother, who has to learn Cobol this year in college!!! That will come in > damn useful after the year 2000, I don't think. Disagree - employers don't care less if you know how to code in C or Smalltak or COBOL or whatever as long as you know the principles of programming - preferably OO. In that respect Modula-2 (and Smalltak and Ada95) are one of the better. Learning OO from C++ is like learning to drive from a blind person (appologies to all blind persons reading this). -Frode > > > > > -- > ********************************************************** > Home - gavinsmith@purple.dircon.co.uk Work - gavsmith@nortel.com > Website - http://www.purple.dircon.co.uk > IRC - SparkY or SparkYY on #TheLocal or #SAM-Community > ********************************************************** > > > > From imc Fri Nov 13 11:10:01 1998 Subject: Re: New game (maybe) In-Reply-To: <364A231F.C99BE95E@purple.dircon.co.uk> from Gavin Smith at "Nov 12, 98 00:52:01 am" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 11:10:01 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 1004 Lines: 18 On Thu, 12 Nov 1998 00:52:01 +0100, Gavin Smith said: > And hard luck having to do Modula-2 - I had > to do it as well, and it's completely f*cking useless, employers don't want > to know you if you can't code in C/C++. Be thankful you aren't my younger > brother, who has to learn Cobol this year in college!!! That will come in > damn useful after the year 2000, I don't think. A few of our lecturers used to set practicals in Modula-2 [the others use more obscure ones like Haskell and Caml], but about three years ago they switched to C++ (yuk, give me plain C any day). This year, however, they seem to have ditched C++ and gone on to Oberon (which looks remarkably like Modula-2, since we are not using the full development environment). At least the compilers are not as flakey as the old SunOS Modula-2 one. As for COBOL, well it's a bit late but I'd bet COBOL programmers are in high demand right now to sort out all the legacy code for the millennium. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Nov 13 11:48:24 1998 Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 11:16:12 +0000 (GMT) From: D A Fulton To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: New game (maybe) In-Reply-To: <364A231F.C99BE95E@purple.dircon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 809 Lines: 21 > > Would anybody be interested in a game for the SAM (possibly even the > > Speccy) called "Palmyra"? > > Yes, indeedy, I'd be interested in it. I love business/management games, and > there isn't really a decent stocks and shares one on the SAM (never mind the > Speccy). I used to have one on the Acorn Electron that was great fun, but > that was many years ago *sniff*. Malcolm has also e-mailed me, so I've decided to give it a go - probably won't be around until Easter / Summer however. > And hard luck having to do Modula-2 - I had > to do it as well, and it's completely f*cking useless, employers don't want I agree, however, I've been taught it for two years and as my C++ isn't up to much so I figured I'd be better off working with Modula-2 for this project! Thanks for the support. Dave. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Nov 13 15:44:16 1998 Message-ID: <19981113144848.23963.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [194.83.240.17] From: "Mark Sturdy" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: New game (maybe) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 06:48:48 PST X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 137 Lines: 6 Yeah! Do it, Dave. Mark ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 16 21:26:34 1998 From: tolchock@davgw.clara.co.uk (Tolchock) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: MGT Plus D ROM Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 21:16:26 GMT Message-ID: <365522a5.3488924@relay.clara.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 255 Lines: 15 Hi Not a particularly SAM related question, but an MGT one nevertheless. Does anyone know where I can get hold of PLUSDROM.BIN for use with the new version of X128? I don't mind an attachment - it should only be about 8K - or less zipped. Thanks From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Nov 18 19:06:13 1998 X-Authentication-Warning: enigma.mono.org: unc owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 19:00:53 +0000 (GMT) From: Tim To: Sam Users Mailing List Subject: Sam C & kbhit() Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 863 Lines: 20 I was having a lod of problems compiling a menu last night that used kbhit(), it didn't work. This was dispite the fact it was just a recompilation of the slidey menu I did for fred, which obviously did work ;-) Eventually, I dug out the master disk for the earlier version of SamC I had, and tried that. Compiled and worked first time. Not sure if this has anything to do with the use ofthe zues assembler rather than the one that sam C originally used. Not sure if this is related to the sam problem in Sam Vision, but might be worth trying the old version if you have that problem (I believe the original Sam C still had the option to use the SamVision libs) Tim ....@/ .............................................................................@/ Unc - Tim Paveley - Moderator of "The Games Room" & "Ascii Animations" http://www.mono.org/~unc/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Nov 18 19:11:21 1998 X-Authentication-Warning: enigma.mono.org: unc owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 19:07:19 +0000 (GMT) From: Tim To: Sam Users Mailing List Subject: SamDOS copyright. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 789 Lines: 20 Who owns the SamDOS copyright, and is there permission to freely distribute it? Given that in the "good old days" anyone you gave a disk to would have samdos, then it never realluy bothered me. But given SimCoupe, and that the people who use disk images may never have bought a sam drive, and therefore don't actually have a master copy of samdos, is this now a problem. Should all the images be removed off nvg? Or at least altered to use QDos? Could andy wright be persuded to allow free distribution of masterdos? Just a few thoughts..... Tim (who is putting QDOS on his forthcoming disk image) .............................................................................@/ Unc - Tim Paveley - Moderator of "The Games Room" & "Ascii Animations" http://www.mono.org/~unc/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Nov 18 23:42:30 1998 Message-ID: <19981118233949.16426.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.74] From: "Simon Cooke" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SamDOS copyright. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:39:49 PST X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1235 Lines: 38 >Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 19:07:19 +0000 (GMT) >From: Tim >To: Sam Users Mailing List >Subject: SamDOS copyright. >Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > >Who owns the SamDOS copyright, and is there permission to freely >distribute it? > >Given that in the "good old days" anyone you gave a disk to would have >samdos, then it never realluy bothered me. But given SimCoupe, and that >the people who use disk images may never have bought a sam drive, and >therefore don't actually have a master copy of samdos, is this now a >problem. > >Should all the images be removed off nvg? Or at least altered to use QDos? > >Could andy wright be persuded to allow free distribution of masterdos? > >Just a few thoughts..... > > Tim (who is putting QDOS on his forthcoming disk image) Ummm.. Tim... QDOS is actually SAMDOS 2.2 with a front-end added onto it which cleans up your system and tells you what hardware you have. That's all - so it's the same copyright issue. However, disks have been sold with SAMDOS on them since time began, so I personally wouldn't worry about it one iota. Si ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Nov 19 12:30:54 1998 Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 12:15:47 +0000 (BST) From: Dave Hooper To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam C & kbhit() In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 282 Lines: 10 > I was having a lod of problems compiling a menu last night that used > kbhit(), it didn't work. > > This was dispite the fact it was just a recompilation of the slidey menu I > did for fred, which obviously did work ;-) [...] i have absolutely no idea what this is about. dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Nov 19 12:31:00 1998 Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 12:22:10 +0000 (BST) From: Dave Hooper To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SamDOS copyright. In-Reply-To: <19981118233949.16426.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 498 Lines: 16 > However, disks have been sold with SAMDOS on them since time began, so I > personally wouldn't worry about it one iota. > > Si am i right in thinking MasterDos isn't quite so free? i can't remember, but i'm pretty sure you're not allowed to distribute discs with masterdos on them. samdos 2 no problem, masterdos, no way joe / ... in which case i won't even mention on which .dsk image i found a copy of masterdos ... :) although if yr still on this list i bet you know who ye are... dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Nov 19 20:26:17 1998 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 15:22:07 -0500 (EST) From: PersonaHQ@aol.com Message-ID: <9006578f.36547def@aol.com> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 15:22:07 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: dave Ledbury off line Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 175 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 167 Lines: 6 Just informing, Anyone who wants to contact Dave, please contact Personahq@aol.com Dave has manage to blow his computer! I will pass on any messages. Thanks Malcolm. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Nov 19 20:33:25 1998 From: nick@emailme.at.address.below (Nick Humphries) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: dave Ledbury off line Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:25:40 GMT Organization: Nick's Den Message-ID: <36547eaa.120950@relay.clara.net> References: <9006578f.36547def@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <9006578f.36547def@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 414 Lines: 14 On Thu, 19 Nov 1998 15:22:07 EST, you wrote: >Dave has manage to blow his computer! Isn't that illegal in some countries? Moving on... ----------------------------------------------- Nick Humphries - nick@the-den.clara.net -----------------ICQ #22773485----------------- The Your Sinclair Rock'n'Roll Years http://www.the-den.clara.net/ys/cover.htm ----------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Nov 19 23:05:34 1998 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:59:16 -0500 (EST) From: PersonaHQ@aol.com Message-ID: <2c9c6ac.3654a2c4@aol.com> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:59:16 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: dave Ledbury off line Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 175 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 208 Lines: 6 Nick wrote, isnt that ilegal in some countries. I don`t know ( how do you know?) Moving on: my wife say`s I love my computer more than I love her, all I know is that it`s gone down on me more than she has. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Nov 20 09:52:21 1998 by 1.0.10.115 with SMTP; 20 Nov 1998 09:45:19 -0000 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <802566C2.00353827.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 10:52:45 +0000 Subject: Re: dave Ledbury off line Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 229 Lines: 10 >Anyone who wants to contact Dave, please contact Personahq@aol.com >Dave has manage to blow his computer! >I will pass on any messages. Dave is always blowing his computer up! What on earth does he keep doing to it???? Jut. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Nov 20 10:00:05 1998 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: dave Ledbury off line References: <802566C2.00353827.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> X-Face: "J~~0'L`GfL^sW4%+i35x#X308)K/$7\]qy)UZ$`k:}Bx]6mgAA^N5,@brn/19TPn%o;j28 W7mD)UN~se8P9\3?wU.g+i9)X Date: 20 Nov 1998 09:54:40 +0000 In-Reply-To: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk's message of "Fri, 20 Nov 1998 10:52:45 +0000" Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.070052 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.52) Emacs/20.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 424 Lines: 17 Justin_Skists@case.co.uk writes: > >Anyone who wants to contact Dave, please contact Personahq@aol.com > >Dave has manage to blow his computer! > >I will pass on any messages. > > Dave is always blowing his computer up! What on earth does he > keep doing to it???? Running Windows ? :) Lee. -- I was doing object-oriented assembly at 1 year old ... For some reason my mom insists on calling it "Playing with blocks" From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Nov 20 16:58:55 1998 by 1.0.10.115 with SMTP; 20 Nov 1998 16:35:28 -0000 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <802566C2.005AD1BE.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 16:32:09 +0000 Subject: Re: dave Ledbury off line Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 148 Lines: 10 >> Dave is always blowing his computer up! What on earth does he >> keep doing to it???? > >Running Windows ? Always a bad thing to do.... Jut. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Nov 20 21:08:04 1998 X-Authentication-Warning: electron.mono.org: unc owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 20:59:40 +0000 (GMT) From: Tim To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SamDOS copyright. In-Reply-To: <19981118233949.16426.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 771 Lines: 19 On Wed, 18 Nov 1998, Simon Cooke wrote: > > Tim (who is putting QDOS on his forthcoming disk image) > Ummm.. Tim... QDOS is actually SAMDOS 2.2 with a front-end added onto it > which cleans up your system and tells you what hardware you have. That's > all - so it's the same copyright issue. Oh, didn't realise that :) Thought there were various bug fixes and things as well... > However, disks have been sold with SAMDOS on them since time began, so I > personally wouldn't worry about it one iota. Ah well, was more of a troll than anything. Didn't work though.... Tim ....@/ .............................................................................@/ Unc - Tim Paveley - Moderator of "The Games Room" & "Ascii Animations" http://www.mono.org/~unc/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Nov 20 21:08:08 1998 X-Authentication-Warning: electron.mono.org: unc owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:01:13 +0000 (GMT) From: Tim To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam C & kbhit() In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 688 Lines: 20 On Thu, 19 Nov 1998, Dave Hooper wrote: > > I was having a lod of problems compiling a menu last night that used > > kbhit(), it didn't work. > > > > This was dispite the fact it was just a recompilation of the slidey menu I > > did for fred, which obviously did work ;-) > [...] > > i have absolutely no idea what this is about. A bug in Sam C. An older version doesn't seem to have that bug, so was suggesting other people try the older version (if they have it) if they have problems. Tim ....@/ .............................................................................@/ Unc - Tim Paveley - Moderator of "The Games Room" & "Ascii Animations" http://www.mono.org/~unc/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Nov 20 21:08:09 1998 X-Authentication-Warning: electron.mono.org: unc owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:03:49 +0000 (GMT) From: Tim To: Sam Users Mailing List Subject: ETracker Players Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 533 Lines: 16 Does anyone have a small, relocatable, interupt driven ETracker play I could use? Just realised that the normal one I use isn't very heap friendly (it just writes itself straight at 16384, doesn't alter the stack end pointer, and isn't relocatable - not very useful when you've already got the mouse driver loaded....) Cheers, Tim .............................................................................@/ Unc - Tim Paveley - Moderator of "The Games Room" & "Ascii Animations" http://www.mono.org/~unc/ From imc Fri Nov 20 22:49:55 1998 Subject: Re: Sam C & kbhit() In-Reply-To: from Tim at "Nov 20, 98 09:01:13 pm" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 22:49:55 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 280 Lines: 8 On Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:01:13 +0000 (GMT), Tim said: > An older version doesn't seem to have that bug, so was suggesting other > people try the older version (if they have it) if they have problems. And how many people do you think have *any* version of Sam C? :-) imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Nov 20 23:07:23 1998 Message-Id: <199811202302.XAA28914@remus.clara.net> From: "David Ledbury" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 23:00:44 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: dave Ledbury off line In-reply-to: <9006578f.36547def@aol.com> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 647 Lines: 25 > From: PersonaHQ@aol.com > Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 15:22:07 EST > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Subject: dave Ledbury off line > Reply-to: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Date: Fri, 20 Nov 98 21:51:12 GMT > Just informing, > Anyone who wants to contact Dave, please contact Personahq@aol.com > Dave has manage to blow his computer! > I will pass on any messages. > > Thanks Malcolm. > Thanks Malcolm! :) I meant BLOW UP! :) As it was, the Simm sockets got buggered up somehow... so I've had to replace them with Dimms... Hmmm... anyone done a SAM Simm interface I can use 16 meg worth in? > ___\ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Nov 20 23:07:23 1998 Message-Id: <199811202302.XAA28895@remus.clara.net> From: "David Ledbury" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 23:00:44 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: SamDOS copyright. In-reply-to: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 328 Lines: 14 > Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 19:07:19 +0000 (GMT) > From: Tim > To: Sam Users Mailing List > Subject: SamDOS copyright. > Reply-to: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Date: Fri, 20 Nov 98 21:50:27 GMT [Snip] Don't forget that BDOS is freeware! ___\ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Nov 21 21:41:34 1998 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 16:37:58 -0500 (EST) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <77a637f0.365732b6@aol.com> Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 16:37:58 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: SamDOS copyright. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 348 Lines: 14 In a message dated 18/11/98 19:21:30, you write: >Who owns the SamDOS copyright, and is there permission to freely >distribute it? Copyright held by Revelation Software. However, a SAMDOS image can be distributed free of charge as EVERY computer sold had one. The manual, and of course the source, is not free for distribution. HTH. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Nov 21 21:59:03 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <77a637f0.365732b6@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:55:42 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: SamDOS copyright. X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 808 Lines: 22 At 9:37 pm +0000 21/11/98, BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 18/11/98 19:21:30, you write: > >>Who owns the SamDOS copyright, and is there permission to freely >>distribute it? > >Copyright held by Revelation Software. However, a SAMDOS image can be >distributed free of charge as EVERY computer sold had one. Every one? Or was it just every one with a disk drive... not that SamDos would have been particularly useful to the early tape-based machines! Just to clarify here, we are talking about SamDos2 really, aren't we? Andrew -- | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he +----------------+-----------------------------+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Nov 22 12:20:27 1998 X-Authentication-Warning: electron.mono.org: unc owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 12:16:26 +0000 (GMT) From: Tim To: Sam Users Mailing List Subject: Re: Sam C & kbhit() Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 297 Lines: 8 Perhaps I should stop writing games in C, learn Z80 and then just write demos for the rest of my life? .............................................................................@/ Unc - Tim Paveley - Moderator of "The Games Room" & "Ascii Animations" http://www.mono.org/~unc/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Nov 22 19:57:15 1998 Message-ID: <00e901be1652$5747b880$cc0f883e@johnsmit> From: "David Laundon" To: "sam-users" Subject: Erm, HELLO! Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 19:57:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 208 Lines: 7 Well, I've been on the Internet for just a couple of months now and I've just found you lot! I thought I'd just let you know I'm here, and say hello! david@laundon.freeserve.co.uk (Have I missed much?!!!) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Nov 22 21:16:56 1998 Message-Id: <199811222112.VAA07390@remus.clara.net> From: "David Ledbury" To: Subject: Re: Erm, HELLO! Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 21:09:51 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 448 Lines: 19 ---------- > From: David Laundon > To: sam-users > Subject: Erm, HELLO! > Date: 22 November 1998 19:57 > > Well, I've been on the Internet for just a couple of months now and I've > just found you lot! I thought I'd just let you know I'm here, and say > hello! Hello to you too! > david@laundon.freeserve.co.uk > > (Have I missed much?!!!) > Not so much at the moment... maybe soon?! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Nov 22 23:54:24 1998 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 18:47:18 -0500 (EST) From: PGLOVER43@aol.com Message-ID: <24ed3094.3658a286@aol.com> Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 18:47:18 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Erm, HELLO! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 168 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 874 Lines: 32 Hello David, Welcome to SAM users. It's a bit quiet at the moment, but hopefully you'll see many names of famous/infamous SAM enthusiasts appearing here. I'm not sure if there's a "Who's Who" of the SAM world, but a good number of SAM users seem to be on line. Feel free to ask any SAM-related questions and I'm sure you'll soon have a few responses. All the best, Phil Glover. In a message dated 22/11/98 20:54:55 BST, you write: << Subj: Erm, HELLO! Date: 22/11/98 20:54:55 BST From: david@laundon.freeserve.co.uk (David Laundon) Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-to: sam-users@nvg.unit.no To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no (sam-users) Well, I've been on the Internet for just a couple of months now and I've just found you lot! I thought I'd just let you know I'm here, and say hello! david@laundon.freeserve.co.uk (Have I missed much?!!!) >> From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 23 00:53:49 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <24ed3094.3658a286@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 00:45:41 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Erm, HELLO! X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1516 Lines: 42 At 11:47 pm +0000 22/11/98, PGLOVER43@aol.com wrote: >Welcome to SAM users. It's a bit quiet at the moment, but hopefully you'll see >many names of famous/infamous SAM enthusiasts appearing here. Shameless sycophancy gratefully received, etc etc. >I'm not sure if there's a "Who's Who" of the SAM world, but a good number of >SAM users seem to be on line. I think there's something similar on the scrapbook but this sounds like a perfect opportunity to plug my "sam-users users" page.... It's at . Various of the regulars have got mugshots there, a brief introduction and some interesting web links. (And a message to all the other subscribers who haven't sent me anything yet: Get a move on!!) >>In a message dated 22/11/98 20:54:55 BST, David Laundon wrote: > Well, I've been on the Internet for just a couple of months now and I've > just found you lot! I thought I'd just let you know I'm here, and say > hello! Hello! Er... David Laundon.... Hmmmm. I remeber that name... You wrote the word processor in Sam C for Fred 60 didn't you? And then there were those ETunes a few months later (Oh how the nostalgia comes flooding back!) Andrew -- | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he +----------------+-----------------------------+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 23 01:58:16 1998 Date: Mon, 23 Nov 98 01:17:18 GMT Message-ID: <1131_OASIS_@lhutz.demon.co.uk> From: 8bit@itdoesntsuck.com (James R Curry) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Mailer: OASIS Post Box (Atari) v1.31E Subject: Re: Sam C & kbhit() X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 603 Lines: 25 OASIS_E-Mail: Tim wrote:- >> i have absolutely no idea what this is about. > >A bug in Sam C. A vicious rumour persists that there's actually a function hidden somewhere within Sam C that works as it's meant to, although I haven't been able to find it... ;) __ James R Curry - 8bit@itdoesntsuck.com "You're missing the point! The individual doesn't matter. It was a team effort, and I was the one who came up with the whole team idea...me!" - Homer Simpson, The Simpsons. Please insert meaningless promise about The Official James R Curry web page here... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 23 08:46:03 1998 Message-Id: From: Dan Doore Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 8:25:54 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: RE: Sam C & kbhit() MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /310000000/310102093/310102123/310460310/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 101" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 452 Lines: 22 > A bug in Sam C. Don't believe you :-) > An older version doesn't seem to have that bug, so was > suggesting other > people try the older version (if they have it) if they have problems. I always had problems with kbhit(), so I stole the keypress routine from Mr Laundon's ProType... And as if by magic, David appeared! :-) Dan. Work: dan@armature.com Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 23 20:55:29 1998 From: BrenchleyR@aol.com for ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 15:19:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <5da14dab.3659c35b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 15:19:39 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: SamDOS copyright. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 791 Lines: 27 In a message dated 21/11/98 21:59:33, you write: >At 9:37 pm +0000 21/11/98, BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: >>In a message dated 18/11/98 19:21:30, you write: >> >>>Who owns the SamDOS copyright, and is there permission to freely >>>distribute it? >> >>Copyright held by Revelation Software. However, a SAMDOS image can be >>distributed free of charge as EVERY computer sold had one. > >Every one? Or was it just every one with a disk drive... not that SamDos >would have been particularly useful to the early tape-based machines! Okokokok. Every disc based machine (and every slot-in slim-line drive sold -- well 90% anyway). > >Just to clarify here, we are talking about SamDos2 really, aren't we? All versions of SAMDOS, but of course SAMDOS 2 for version 3 ROMs. > >Andrew > > -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 23 22:54:38 1998 Message-ID: <19981123224821.14685.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.73] From: "Simon Cooke" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: dave Ledbury off line MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 14:48:21 PST X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 368 Lines: 19 == Microsoft Auto-Assimilation Responder == Move along please. Nothing to see here. =========================================== >> Dave is always blowing his computer up! What on earth does he >> keep doing to it???? > >Running Windows ? > >:) > >Lee. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Nov 28 17:23:15 1998 From: James R Curry <8bit@itdoesntsuck.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: YAWN! Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 17:08 +0000 Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 94 Lines: 4 This list is dead, and I'm bored at work. Ugh! ;) -- James R Curry - 8bit@itdoesntsuck.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Nov 28 17:33:04 1998 Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 17:28:16 +0000 (GMT) From: D A Fulton To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: YAWN! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 197 Lines: 6 > This list is dead, and I'm bored at work. Ugh! ;) Yes, I'd noticed that. I was wondering whether it was just the server, and I was going to get bombarded with mail at a later date. Oh well. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Nov 28 18:44:41 1998 From: James R Curry <8bit@itdoesntsuck.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: RE: Re: YAWN! Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 18:32 +0000 Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 423 Lines: 17 ----Original Message----- >From: D A Fulton >To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no >Subject: Re: YAWN! >Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no >Date: 28 November 1998 17:28 > >> This list is dead, and I'm bored at work. Ugh! ;) > >Yes, I'd noticed that. You'd noticed that I was bored at work? Are you watching me?! -- James R Curry - 8bit@itdoesntsuck.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Nov 28 20:49:07 1998 Message-ID: <001901be1b10$6a35f3e0$3a0f883e@johnsmit> From: "David Laundon" To: "sam-users" Subject: Re: YAWN! Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 20:48:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 30 Lines: 1 Have I come at a bad time?!!! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Nov 28 21:58:44 1998 From: James R Curry <8bit@itdoesntsuck.com> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: RE: Re: YAWN! Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 21:51 +0000 Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 215 Lines: 10 >Have I come at a bad time?!!! Nahh.. the worst times have been when the list has been BUSIEST.. Now... what can I say to start a flame war? Andrew? Bob?... ;) -- James R Curry - 8bit@itdoesntsuck.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Nov 28 22:45:57 1998 From: "Maria Rookyard" To: Subject: Re: Re: YAWN! Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 22:12:53 -0000 Message-ID: <01be1b1c$3e95ee00$LocalHost@register> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 493 Lines: 25 > >From: D A Fulton > >To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > >Subject: Re: YAWN! > >Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > >Date: 28 November 1998 17:28 > > > >> This list is dead, and I'm bored at work. Ugh! ;) > > > >Yes, I'd noticed that. > >You'd noticed that I was bored at work? Are you watching me?! > >-- >James R Curry - 8bit@itdoesntsuck.com Well I watched you for a little while, but nothing exciting happened ;-) Maria. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Nov 29 21:34:56 1998 From: "Martin Rookyard" To: "SamUsers" Subject: A joke Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 23:04:46 -0000 Message-ID: <01be1b23$7ee5fe80$0100007f@adiemus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1844 Lines: 51 Come across this.. Thought you might enjoy it.. Bill Gates dies in a car accident. He finds himself in Purgatory, being sized up by St Peter. St Peter> "I'm not sure whether to send you to Heaven or Hell. After all, you helped society enormously by putting a computer in almost every home in America, however, you also created that ghastly "Windows '95". I'm going to do something I've never done before in your case. I'm going to let you decide where you want to go. I'm willing to let you visit both places briefly, if it will help your decision." Gates> "Okay, let's try Hell first" So Bill Gates goes to Hell. It's a beautiful, clean, sandy beach with clear waters and lots of bikini clad women running around, playing in the water, laughing and frolicking about. The sun is shining and the temperature is perfect. He is very pleased....... Gates> "This is great! If this is Hell, I really want to see Heaven!" So off they go. Heaven is a place high in the clouds, with angels drifting about, playing harps and singing. It's nice but not as enticing as Hell. Gates> "I think I'd prefer Hell" St Peter> "Fine, you'll be there in an instant." Two weeks later, St Peter decides to check on the late billionaire to see how he's doing in Hell. When he gets there, he finds Bill shackled to a wall, screaming amongst hot flames in a dark cave, being burned and tortured by demons. St Peter> "How's it going?" Gates> "This is awful! It's nothing like the Hell I visited two weeks ago! What happened to the other place, with the beautiful beaches and the scantily-clad women playing in the water?" St Peter> "That was a demo" boom-boom Worth a groan eh?? 'He felt a strange queasy feeling in his stomach. Time for a toilet stop. He'd just got comfortable, when something unspeakable happened.' "Ghnitssuhsidt oot oot..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Nov 29 22:47:17 1998 From: davgw@clara.co.uk (Tolchock) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: A joke Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 22:39:59 GMT Message-ID: <3666c983.11576876@relay.clara.net> References: <01be1b23$7ee5fe80$0100007f@adiemus> In-Reply-To: <01be1b23$7ee5fe80$0100007f@adiemus> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 506 Lines: 13 On Sat, 28 Nov 1998 23:04:46 -0000 Sun, 29 Nov 98 21:55:40 GMT, "Martin Rookyard" wrote: [The Joke] Nice one Maria. The list is really boring right now, and it's probably a good thing to let trivial stuff take over. That person who I think is an arse (no prizes for guessing who I mean - causing flame wars aplenty) did no end of damage when he came on here dictating the odds. Bill Gates actually has /some/ redeeming features (but don't ask me to name any!). :-) Dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Nov 29 23:10:37 1998 From: davgw@clara.co.uk (Tolchock) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: A joke Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 23:00:05 GMT Message-ID: <3668d130.13542031@relay.clara.net> References: <01be1b23$7ee5fe80$0100007f@adiemus> In-Reply-To: <01be1b23$7ee5fe80$0100007f@adiemus> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 245 Lines: 9 On Sat, 28 Nov 1998 23:04:46 -0000 Sun, 29 Nov 98 21:55:40 GMT, "Martin Rookyard" wrote: Ooops sorry Martin. It's usually your other half who writes in here. Exactly the same response applies though. :-) Dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 30 00:18:37 1998 From: "Maria Rookyard" To: Subject: Re: A joke Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 00:03:17 -0000 Message-ID: <01be1bf4$d52fc380$LocalHost@register> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 388 Lines: 27 > "Martin Rookyard" wrote: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > [The Joke] > Nice one Maria. ^^^^^^^ > Dave Oh dear! You really ought to get the emails out of the way *before* you hit the bottle ;-) Maria. ======================================= I sat on the roof, and watched the day go by ======================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 30 09:50:08 1998 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: YAWN! References: X-Face: "J~~0'L`GfL^sW4%+i35x#X308)K/$7\]qy)UZ$`k:}Bx]6mgAA^N5,@brn/19TPn%o;j28 W7mD)UN~se8P9\3?wU.g+i9)X Date: 30 Nov 1998 09:39:35 +0000 In-Reply-To: James R Curry's message of "Sat, 28 Nov 1998 21:51 +0000" Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.070055 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.55) Emacs/20.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 338 Lines: 11 James R Curry <8bit@itdoesntsuck.com> writes: > Now... what can I say to start a flame war? Andrew? Bob?... ;) Yeah, I'd say mentioning the pair of them in the same sentence should do the trick :) Lee. -- I was doing object-oriented assembly at 1 year old ... For some reason my mom insists on calling it "Playing with blocks" From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 30 10:06:32 1998 by 1.0.10.115 with SMTP; 30 Nov 1998 10:00:32 -0000 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <802566CC.0034F03D.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 09:58:02 +0000 Subject: Missing disk error. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 873 Lines: 27 This is /all/ I need!!!!! (But it does finally give someone a SAM related topic to chat about) I finally got around to getting my SAM software project off the ground and start implementing the thing over the weekend. And NOW the disk drive refuses to even admit that there is a disk in the drive!!! Now it keeps complaining with a "missing disk" error whenever I try and BOOT the bloody thing!!! (multiple disks tried, aswell) It's extremely annoying, especially as I had just worked out a workaround a coding problem I was experiencing and trying to remove... Anyone knows what the problem could be? (Actually, I have a good guess - but I was sure none of the lemonade got into the drive envelope - or, at least, not enough to cause any problems. It did BOOT up first of all then stopped working when I was loading up a file in PRODOS) What are my options? Justin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 30 10:16:24 1998 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Missing disk error. References: <802566CC.0034F03D.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> X-Face: "J~~0'L`GfL^sW4%+i35x#X308)K/$7\]qy)UZ$`k:}Bx]6mgAA^N5,@brn/19TPn%o;j28 W7mD)UN~se8P9\3?wU.g+i9)X Date: 30 Nov 1998 10:10:08 +0000 In-Reply-To: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk's message of "Mon, 30 Nov 1998 09:58:02 +0000" Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.070055 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.55) Emacs/20.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 826 Lines: 21 Justin_Skists@case.co.uk writes: > I finally got around to getting my SAM software project off > the ground and start implementing the thing over the > weekend. And NOW the disk drive refuses to even admit > that there is a disk in the drive!!! Now it keeps complaining > with a "missing disk" error whenever I try and BOOT the > bloody thing!!! (multiple disks tried, aswell) Turn it off and leave it to sulk for a few minutes then try it :) Seriously it's probably the disk controller getting it's knickers in a twist (Something that according to Bob doesn't happen but there you go ...) Either leave it off for a bit or hammer the reset button for a bit. Always used to work for me :) Lee. -- I was doing object-oriented assembly at 1 year old ... For some reason my mom insists on calling it "Playing with blocks" From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 30 10:32:56 1998 by 1.0.10.115 with SMTP; 30 Nov 1998 10:24:49 -0000 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <802566CC.00389320.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 10:22:16 +0000 Subject: Re: Missing disk error. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 796 Lines: 22 Lee Willis wrote: >> I finally got around to getting my SAM software project off >> the ground and start implementing the thing over the >> weekend. And NOW the disk drive refuses to even admit >> that there is a disk in the drive!!! Now it keeps complaining >> with a "missing disk" error whenever I try and BOOT the >> bloody thing!!! (multiple disks tried, aswell) >Turn it off and leave it to sulk for a few minutes then try it :) >Seriously it's probably the disk controller getting it's knickers in a >twist (Something that according to Bob doesn't happen but there you go >...) > >Either leave it off for a bit or hammer the reset button for a >bit. Always used to work for me :) I've tried that.. I've even left it over night... I'll try again when I get back home from Work... Jut. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 30 10:41:50 1998 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Missing disk error. References: <802566CC.00389320.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> X-Face: "J~~0'L`GfL^sW4%+i35x#X308)K/$7\]qy)UZ$`k:}Bx]6mgAA^N5,@brn/19TPn%o;j28 W7mD)UN~se8P9\3?wU.g+i9)X Date: 30 Nov 1998 10:35:47 +0000 In-Reply-To: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk's message of "Mon, 30 Nov 1998 10:22:16 +0000" Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.070055 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.55) Emacs/20.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 433 Lines: 14 Justin_Skists@case.co.uk writes: > >Either leave it off for a bit or hammer the reset button for a > >bit. Always used to work for me :) > > I've tried that.. I've even left it over night... I'll try again when > I get back home from Work... Ahh, oops, could have been the lemonade after all ... Lee. -- I was doing object-oriented assembly at 1 year old ... For some reason my mom insists on calling it "Playing with blocks" From imc Mon Nov 30 10:50:55 1998 Subject: Re: Missing disk error. In-Reply-To: from Lee Willis at "Nov 30, 98 10:35:47 am" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 10:50:55 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 74 Lines: 3 Do Sam drives have rubber bands in them like the infamous +3 drives? imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 30 11:09:33 1998 by 1.0.10.115 with SMTP; 30 Nov 1998 10:58:16 -0000 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CASE TECHNOLOGY From: Justin_Skists@case.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Message-ID: <802566CC.003B11B3.00@notes_a.case.co.uk> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 10:55:38 +0000 Subject: Re: Missing disk error. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 620 Lines: 24 Lee Willis wrote: >Ahh, oops, could have been the lemonade after all ... *smacks his head against the work-desk* Surely, if it was the lemonade, it wouldn't have let me load up PRODOS and a text editor from the start? Besides, it would've dried between the lemonde incident and me using it.... I wouldn't mind if it wasn't just a cheap bottle of Happy Shopper diet lemonade. Next time, I'll only drink beer at the computer!!! Okie. What are my options? If only I hadn't let my Format subscription expire.... MR BRENCHLEY?!? You reading this? What can I do to replace my disk drive if my drive is cackered? Jut. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 30 13:19:03 1998 From: The Mad Goose Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 12:52:47 GMT+0 Subject: Re: Missing disk error. X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <16106C83565@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 292 Lines: 11 > Do Sam drives have rubber bands in them like the infamous +3 drives? No, just little hamsters running around on wheels. It's called progress... > > imc Peace, Love, Kisses... JohnnaPig Teare JPOL: http://www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 30 14:47:46 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 14:26:30 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: RE: Re: YAWN! X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 951 Lines: 24 At 9:51 pm +0000 28/11/98, James R Curry wrote: > >Have I come at a bad time?!!! > >Nahh.. the worst times have been when the list has been BUSIEST.. > >Now... what can I say to start a flame war? Andrew? Bob?... ;) Oh well - all you have to do is take offense when I politely correct a fundamental mistake... Or at least, that's how the arguments usually begin around here :( Alternatively, write something about copyright. Or repost any article from comp.sys.sinclair - there was an interesting one on the 21st of October in which the author admits to seeing nothing antisocial about posting to one mailing list under three different names. That ought to do the trick. Andrew -- | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he +----------------+-----------------------------+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 30 18:32:42 1998 Message-ID: <2EdIUEAmysY2Ewmk@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 16:49:42 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: YAWN! In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 <8OHKkEUpoELRXEckwUjJGSM0AF> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 646 Lines: 19 In message , Andrew Collier writes >Alternatively, write something about copyright. Or repost any article from >comp.sys.sinclair - there was an interesting one on the 21st of October in >which the author admits to seeing nothing antisocial about posting to one >mailing list under three different names. That ought to do the trick. Why, Andrew! Whatever could you be making a thinly veiled jibe against? ;) Graham Goring -- /====================================\ | Ber-Limey! There's not even enough | |room to swing a cat in this sodding-| \=========== ICQ: 5333545 ===========/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 30 18:43:09 1998 30 Nov 98 18:35:32 BST From: "Matthew Craven" Organization: Umist To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 18:35:03 BST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Re: YAWN! In-reply-to: References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.52) Message-ID: <63942DF257D@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 175 Lines: 8 > Alternatively, write something about copyright. God, not again..... How about we really bore everyone and start writing about who attended the NSSS and who didn't. MJC. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 30 18:43:10 1998 30 Nov 98 18:37:31 BST From: "Matthew Craven" Organization: Umist To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 18:37:10 BST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Missing disk error. In-reply-to: <16106C83565@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.52) Message-ID: <6394C0376B3@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 243 Lines: 9 > No, just little hamsters running around on wheels. It's called > progress... Like Kevin the hamster in that advert for jeans, you mean? When the rubber band breaks, the rest of the drive gets sad and wobbles over when you prod it. MJC. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 30 20:57:48 1998 Message-ID: <3662F72B.E11D4ED7@purple.dircon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 20:51:08 +0100 From: Gavin Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: YAWN! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 631 Lines: 21 Paul Walker wrote: > > On Mon, 30 Nov 1998, Andrew Collier wrote: > > > Alternatively, write something about copyright. Or repost any article from > > comp.sys.sinclair - there was an interesting one on the 21st of October in > > which the author admits to seeing nothing antisocial about posting to one > > mailing list under three different names. That ought to do the trick. > > got a dejanews reference for me, or anything I can search under/for? :) > > Paul Me too! Paul, while you're at Dejanews, look up a few people's names from here...you know who I mean :) You'll find some interesting items... Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 30 20:57:48 1998 X-Authentication-Warning: stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk: csuan owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 20:37:44 +0000 (BST) From: Paul Walker To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: RE: Re: YAWN! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 425 Lines: 10 On Mon, 30 Nov 1998, Andrew Collier wrote: > Alternatively, write something about copyright. Or repost any article from > comp.sys.sinclair - there was an interesting one on the 21st of October in > which the author admits to seeing nothing antisocial about posting to one > mailing list under three different names. That ought to do the trick. got a dejanews reference for me, or anything I can search under/for? :) Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 30 21:41:30 1998 Message-ID: <002701be1c7c$a834af20$675008c3@persona> From: "David" To: Subject: Re: Missing disk error. Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 16:15:32 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 476 Lines: 21 -----Original Message----- From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: 30 November 1998 11:09 Subject: Re: Missing disk error. >Do Sam drives have rubber bands in them like the infamous +3 drives? > >imc Something like that... Wonder if it's dust? The drives are pretty tough... I had a large fragment of smashed disk in my first SAM for a week... until I realised it was still stuck it ... still worked okay tho ;) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 30 21:41:30 1998 Message-Id: <199811302115.WAA11280@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: "Robert van der Veeke" To: Subject: Re: Re: YAWN! Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 22:13:58 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 799 Lines: 24 > Van: Paul Walker > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Onderwerp: RE: Re: YAWN! > Datum: Monday, November 30, 1998 9:37 > > On Mon, 30 Nov 1998, Andrew Collier wrote: > > > Alternatively, write something about copyright. Or repost any article from > > comp.sys.sinclair - there was an interesting one on the 21st of October in > > which the author admits to seeing nothing antisocial about posting to one > > mailing list under three different names. That ought to do the trick. > > got a dejanews reference for me, or anything I can search under/for? :) > Try Copyright in postings? Legal or not -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Currently listening to : Ghost in the Shell - Project 2501 * Greetings to Stuart/Norman/Bingo&Bongo/Rocketshite * From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 30 21:41:32 1998 Message-ID: <003401be1c7d$022c4ce0$675008c3@persona> From: "David" To: Subject: Re: Re: YAWN! Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 16:18:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 593 Lines: 26 You could also add that it was a heck of a lot busier than other shows recently (I am of course reffering to the previous NSSS ones... what else could I be reffering too? ;) Or that the next one is on Saturday February 27th 1999? -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Craven To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: 30 November 1998 18:43 Subject: RE: Re: YAWN! > Alternatively, write something about copyright. God, not again..... How about we really bore everyone and start writing about who attended the NSSS and who didn't. MJC. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 30 21:41:33 1998 Message-ID: <004101be1c7d$27c0f780$675008c3@persona> From: "David" To: Subject: Re: YAWN! Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 16:19:06 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 884 Lines: 35 Hey, my postings in uk.g-l-b aren't that exciting :) -----Original Message----- From: Gavin Smith To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: 30 November 1998 20:57 Subject: Re: YAWN! >Paul Walker wrote: >> >> On Mon, 30 Nov 1998, Andrew Collier wrote: >> >> > Alternatively, write something about copyright. Or repost any article from >> > comp.sys.sinclair - there was an interesting one on the 21st of October in >> > which the author admits to seeing nothing antisocial about posting to one >> > mailing list under three different names. That ought to do the trick. >> >> got a dejanews reference for me, or anything I can search under/for? :) >> >> Paul > > >Me too! > > >Paul, while you're at Dejanews, look up a few people's names from >here...you know who I mean :) You'll find some interesting items... > >Gavin > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 30 21:41:33 1998 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 16:21:39 -0500 (EST) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <9e714565.36630c63@aol.com> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 16:21:39 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Missing disk error. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 417 Lines: 16 In a message dated 30/11/98 10:17:22, you write: >) > >Turn it off and leave it to sulk for a few minutes then try it :) >Seriously it's probably the disk controller getting it's knickers in a >twist (Something that according to Bob doesn't happen but there you go >...) I've never said that. All I content is that there is no need, in normal everyday use, for any additional chips on the disc system. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 30 21:41:34 1998 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 16:24:54 -0500 (EST) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <87ae9358.36630d26@aol.com> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 16:24:54 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Missing disk error. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 342 Lines: 17 In a message dated 30/11/98 10:56:56, you write: >. > >MR BRENCHLEY?!? You reading this? What can I do to >replace my disk drive if my drive is cackered? > >Jut. Three options. Second hand slim-line. Strip drive and replace belt (not easy but it can be done). Buy new style interface and then fit your own PC type drive inside. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 30 21:41:35 1998 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 16:22:54 -0500 (EST) From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <9d4fac77.36630cae@aol.com> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 16:22:54 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Missing disk error. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 160 Lines: 10 In a message dated 30/11/98 10:51:35, you write: >Do Sam drives have rubber bands in them like the infamous +3 drives? > >imc The citizen ones do. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 30 22:06:08 1998 Message-ID: <00f101be1c82$98a18140$675008c3@persona> From: "David" To: Subject: Re: Missing disk error. Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 16:58:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 479 Lines: 14 -----Original Message----- From: BrenchleyR@aol.com To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: 30 November 1998 21:41 Subject: Re: Missing disk error. >All I content is that there is no need, in normal everyday use, for any >additional chips on the disc system. Except if unlike 99% of serious SAM owners you've forgotten to eject a disk before resetting the computer :( Thank goodness for Colin Piggot's "Recover-E" that's all I can say ;) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 30 23:53:19 1998 Message-ID: <$KBqXLAX4yY2EwHT@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 23:45:27 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: YAWN! In-Reply-To: <004101be1c7d$27c0f780$675008c3@persona> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 <8OHKkEUpoELRXEckwUjJGSM0AF> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 479 Lines: 16 In message <004101be1c7d$27c0f780$675008c3@persona>, David writes >Hey, my postings in uk.g-l-b aren't that exciting :) I noticed a large crosspost that reached uk.games.video.playstation and I guess which of the headered ng's you where posting from, and it wasn't css... ;) Graham Goring -- /====================================\ | Ber-Limey! There's not even enough | |room to swing a cat in this sodding-| \=========== ICQ: 5333545 ===========/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Dec 1 00:43:09 1998 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9e714565.36630c63@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 23:45:52 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Missing disk error. X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2201 Lines: 54 At 9:21 pm +0000 30/11/98, BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 30/11/98 10:17:22, you write: > >>Turn it off and leave it to sulk for a few minutes then try it :) >>Seriously it's probably the disk controller getting it's knickers in a >>twist (Something that according to Bob doesn't happen but there you go >>...) > >I've never said that. > >All I content is that there is no need, in normal everyday use, for any >additional chips on the disc system. Precisely. You're saying that there is not a fundamental problem with the system, when in fact there is one - the cause of which is that the disk controller gets confused during reset, even if there's no disk in the drive at the time. And it can stay confused even after you put a disk in and try to boot. Please note that we have, in fact, been through this already; I refer you to the discussion on sam-users in July this year threaded "Re: reset->disk corrupt problem; where to find info on Atom" At 11:45 am +0000 23/7/98, Simon Cooke wrote: >[Bob Brenchley previously wrote] >>To prevent disc corruption just follow the very simple rule 'do have a >disc in >>the drive when you switch on/off or press reset'. > >Presumably you have some miraculous way of un-hanging both disc >controllers, Bob? Because whether the disc is in the drive or not, the >controller still goes haywire. In my machine, with two drives, it had >fits. That's without any modifications. It corrupted disks *without them >being in the drive*. It continously came up with disk errors on booting >- when there were no errors - just because the disk controller was >spouting bad data. If one of the controllers was working, you could >pretty much guarantee that the other one had hung. Getting both drives >in a workable state simultaneously was a pain at times. Some days were >worse than others. > >Installed the disk protector - and hey presto. Absolutely no more >problems. > >Simon > Andrew -- | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he +----------------+-----------------------------+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Dec 1 01:27:40 1998 Message-ID: <19981201012229.8878.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.76] From: "Simon Cooke" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Missing disk error. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 17:22:29 PST X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 844 Lines: 31 >From: BrenchleyR@aol.com >Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 16:21:39 EST >To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no >Subject: Re: Missing disk error. >Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > >In a message dated 30/11/98 10:17:22, you write: > >>) >> >>Turn it off and leave it to sulk for a few minutes then try it :) >>Seriously it's probably the disk controller getting it's knickers in a >>twist (Something that according to Bob doesn't happen but there you go >>...) > >I've never said that. > >All I content is that there is no need, in normal everyday use, for any >additional chips on the disc system. Certainly, not in normal everyday use. Only when you (a) turn the machine on or (b) press reset. You never need to worry about it otherwise. Simon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Dec 1 01:27:41 1998 Message-ID: <19981201012319.6392.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.74] From: "Simon Cooke" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Missing disk error. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 17:23:19 PST X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 769 Lines: 33 >From: BrenchleyR@aol.com >Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 16:24:54 EST >To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no >Subject: Re: Missing disk error. >Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > >In a message dated 30/11/98 10:56:56, you write: > >>. >> >>MR BRENCHLEY?!? You reading this? What can I do to >>replace my disk drive if my drive is cackered? >> >>Jut. > >Three options. > >Second hand slim-line. >Strip drive and replace belt (not easy but it can be done). >Buy new style interface and then fit your own PC type drive inside. Justin, how are you with hardware? Get thee to Edwin's homepage and use the instructions on how to create a DPU to... well... create a DPU. Simon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com