From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 4 09:53:14 1999 X-Authentication-Warning: pc203.cambridge.arm.com: askillma owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 09:43:13 +0000 (GMT) From: Allan Skillman To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: IDSA/SimCoupe In-Reply-To: <000c01be2f94$d3153400$995008c3@persona> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 701 Lines: 17 Hi Dave (and all) > > Oh, btw Alan S if you're listening... I trust your colleage at work got his > delivery okay at ARM? ;) He certainly did, thanks (Oh very criptic eh ;) Happy New year to everyone - Let's make it a good one! Allan +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ | Allan Skillman | "There are five flavours of resons, the | | EDA Group | elementary particles of magic : up, down, | | ARM | sideways, sex-appeal and peppermint." | | allan.skillman@arm.com | - Terry Pratchett (Lords and Ladies) | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 4 23:01:20 1999 Message-ID: <000701be381b$b2cffc40$995008c3@b7n9l1> From: "David Ledbury" To: Subject: Re: New URLs Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 19:52:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 358 Lines: 15 AFAIK he is.... -----Original Message----- From: Gavin Smith To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: 01 January 1999 20:34 Subject: Re: New URLs >Stewart Skardon wrote: >> Just a quickie to let everyone know that owing to the demise of Crashed, I have >I thought Dave Fountain was taking it over? > >Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 5 23:01:18 1999 From: tolchock@bigfoot.com To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: New URLs Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 22:52:44 GMT Message-ID: <369b9786.7429265@relay.clara.net> References: <000701be381b$b2cffc40$995008c3@b7n9l1> In-Reply-To: <000701be381b$b2cffc40$995008c3@b7n9l1> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 161 Lines: 6 On Mon, 4 Jan 1999 19:52:01 -0000 Tue, 5 Jan 99 22:52:27 GMT, "David Ledbury" wrote: >AFAIK he is.... Use a bit of netiquette mate! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 6 02:56:46 1999 Message-ID: <000801be391f$a2f531a0$90c448c2@Enterprise.enterprise.net> From: "Chris Pile" To: Subject: Re: New URLs Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 02:52:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 294 Lines: 10 On Mon, 4 Jan 1999 19:52:01 -0000 Tue, 5 Jan 99 22:52:27 GMT, "David Ledbury" wrote: >>AFAIK he is.... >Use a bit of netiquette mate! There's nothing wrong in using common 'net abbreviations... If you don't already know, AFAIK simply means 'As Far As I Know'... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 6 22:32:16 1999 Message-ID: <000e01be3a07$312a7240$975008c3@persona> From: "David" To: Subject: Re: New URLs Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 06:30:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 638 Lines: 18 And if you've got a keyboard which is knackered most of the time (must get round to buying one of those new ones from work ;) most of the time it doesn't work anyway ;) -----Original Message----- From: Chris Pile To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: 06 January 1999 02:56 Subject: Re: New URLs >On Mon, 4 Jan 1999 19:52:01 -0000 Tue, 5 Jan 99 22:52:27 GMT, "David >Ledbury" wrote: >>>AFAIK he is.... >>Use a bit of netiquette mate! >There's nothing wrong in using common 'net abbreviations... If you don't >already know, AFAIK simply means 'As Far As I Know'... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 7 11:13:31 1999 Message-ID: <000601be3a2d$5f5507e0$1133883e@i4d4f6> From: "Malcolm Mackenzie" To: Subject: Fred & Persona. Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:59:15 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01BE3A2C.C4624860" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2541 Lines: 76 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BE3A2C.C4624860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Persona has now taken over Fred Publishing. Colin MacDonald & Malcolm Mackenzie have signed a contract transfering = Fred Publishing to Persona, this agreement also includes the disk = magazine `FRED`. All existing Fred products are now only available from PERSONA. If you have any personal comments, please e-mail me directly:- = malcolm@personahq.freeserve.co.uk Also if you have any contributions for the magazines, ie: letters, = games, utilities, graphics, demo`s, music, then send them to :- Persona, 31 Ashwood Drive, Brandlesholme, Bury, Lancs, BL8 1HF. PLEASE DO YOUR BIT TO KEEP SAM ALIVE. Malcolm Mackenzie. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BE3A2C.C4624860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Persona has now taken over Fred = Publishing.
 
Colin MacDonald & Malcolm Mackenzie have signed = a contract=20 transfering Fred Publishing to Persona, this agreement also includes the = disk=20 magazine `FRED`.
 
All existing Fred products are now only available = from=20 PERSONA.
 
If you have any personal comments, please e-mail me = directly:-=20 malcolm@personahq.frees= erve.co.uk
 
Also if you have any contributions for the = magazines, ie:=20 letters, games, utilities, graphics, demo`s, music, then send them to=20 :-
Persona, 31  Ashwood Drive, Brandlesholme, = Bury, Lancs,=20 BL8 1HF.
 
PLEASE DO YOUR BIT TO KEEP SAM ALIVE.
 
Malcolm Mackenzie.
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BE3A2C.C4624860-- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 7 11:30:01 1999 Subject: Re: Fred & Persona. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 11:17:00 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <000601be3a2d$5f5507e0$1133883e@i4d4f6> from "Malcolm Mackenzie" at Jan 7, 99 10:59:15 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Gale X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 302 Lines: 8 Could we have an up-to-date list of what's available? Not subscribing to any current SAM mags, I might be missing out on some great products... I should be getting my PC before too long (my first ever non 8-bit computer!) so the pcb for the SAM PC keyboard interface shouldn't be too far off... Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 7 11:42:45 1999 Message-ID: <81BDD4ADA85FD11185400000F847E9C2D7007D@nired027.europe.nortel.com> From: "Smith, Gavin [IRE07:8939:EXCH]" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: RE: Fred & Persona. Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 11:29:36 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1268 Lines: 33 > -----Original Message----- > From: Malcolm Mackenzie [SMTP:malcolm@personahq.freeserve.co.uk] > Sent: Thursday, January 07, 1999 10:59 AM > To: sam-users > Subject: Fred & Persona. > > Persona has now taken over Fred Publishing. Hmm, the phrase "monopoly on the SAM market" is beginning to spring to mind when I hear the name Persona ;) > Colin MacDonald & Malcolm Mackenzie have signed a contract transfering Fred > Publishing to Persona, this agreement also includes the disk magazine `FRED`. Nice one, and it makes good sense, at least as far as the software is concerned, but what is going to happen with FRED and Blitz? Okay, they have never been exactly the same sort of mags, with Fred being the more gamesy, and Blitz being more techy, but there has certainly been some overlap. I'd really like to see Fred becoming purely gamesy, and Blitz becoming purely techy. That way people could subscribe to one or the other or both (subbers to both could get a nice discount). > All existing Fred products are now only available from PERSONA. I trust you have covered yourself where Kaboom is concerned! Speaking of which, any chance of you convincing Wayne to do something (anything?!) with it? Gavin Smith IMDB Support ESN 3844 External (01232)363844 From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 7 18:22:50 1999 Message-ID: <001801be3a69$a2db2300$ac5708c3@trout> From: "Colin Piggot" To: Subject: Re: Fred & Persona. Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 18:14:57 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1746 Lines: 38 Andrew Gale said: >Could we have an up-to-date list of what's available? Not subscribing >to any current SAM mags, I might be missing out on some great products... Seems a good opportunity here to remind people that if they want a 14 page booklet with details on all my (Quazar) products then just email me your postal address and i'll post of a copy of my latest [January] catalogue. (Which I just finished DTPing about an hour ago! It's got info on my two pieces of hardware and fifty four pieces of software including, for example, the Quazar Surround soundcard (16 bit sound and full surround sound) and Stratosphere (my fast 3d wireframe game that's been plugged many times before :) I've also put together a 4 page booklet to include with the main info booklet which is all about Stratosphere and is packed full of info, screenshots and the reviews. I'll also have a full catalogue about Soundbyte ready in about a weeks time which goes into more detail than the main booklet about whats on each issue. (Soundbyte is the monthly disk for the Quazar Surround - currently on issue 44 at the moment.) Colin Piggot. __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ /_ / / /_/ / / //_ /_//_//_ / /_ : Fast Mode 4 __/ / / / / / /_/__// / //_ / /_ : 3d Vector Action! ---=== Quoted As THE BEST GAME EVER ON SAM! ===--- +------------------------+-------------------------------+ | COLIN PIGGOT | __ ___ __ | | quazar@clara.net | /| | | | | / | | |\ | | | / | | | |__| / |__| |_\ | | QUAZAR: Hardware and | /_\| |__| | | /__ | | | \ | | Software for the Sam | | +------------------------+-------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 7 18:48:33 1999 Message-ID: <005b01be3a6d$d4bc2960$69b259c3@h3o1j4> From: "Peter Harkess" To: Subject: sim-coupe Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 18:44:51 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0056_01BE3A6D.CF6E2120" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1702 Lines: 48 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01BE3A6D.CF6E2120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable can someone tell me.... how much memory will i be able to use with sim-coupe i.e just 512k or as = much as my computer has free? can i put my tape version of defenders of the earth in sim-coupe(i mean = legaly)and if so how?? thanks in advance Peter Harkess ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01BE3A6D.CF6E2120 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
can someone tell me....
how much memory will i be able to = use with=20 sim-coupe i.e just 512k or as much as my computer has free?
can i put my tape version of = defenders of the=20 earth in sim-coupe(i mean legaly)and if so how??
      = thanks in=20 advance
          &nbs= p;            = ;       =20 Peter Harkess
 
------=_NextPart_000_0056_01BE3A6D.CF6E2120-- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 7 19:12:03 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <005b01be3a6d$d4bc2960$69b259c3@h3o1j4> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 19:06:25 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: sim-coupe X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1717 Lines: 40 At 6:44 pm +0000 7/1/99, Peter Harkess wrote: > can someone tell me.... Probably. > how much memory will i be able to use with sim-coupe i.e just 512k or as > much as my computer has free? SimCoupe is capable of emulating the external 1MB expansion boxes, so in theory your virtual machine could have up to 4.5MB RAM. Exactly how to configure this probably depends on which version you're using, is it DOS, Linux or MacOS? > can i put my tape version of defenders of the earth in sim-coupe(i mean > legaly)and if so how?? Emulation is a bit of a legal minefield - hence the recent arguments on c.s.s. with the ISDA threatening a problem. Providing you own a legal original copy of the game and you use the emulation solely for your own personal use, then no-one is ever likely to complain.... but that doesn't mean that it is in the strictest sense totally legal. That said, I don't think there is any easy way of transferring the game from tape into SimCoupe; as far as I'm aware, external tape inputs are not emulated (I could be wrong). Possibly you could use a real Sam to transfer the files from the tape onto a disk, and then use that in SimCoupe. I've never seen the tape versions of any Sam games so I don't know if there are any protection mechanisms in place. But providing you can get the code into the virtual machine, you can expect the game to run properly; the disk version has already been reported to work correctly. Andrew -- | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he +----------------+-----------------------------+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 7 23:30:48 1999 Message-ID: <001201be3ad8$25330480$8d5008c3@persona> From: "David" To: Subject: Re: sim-coupe Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 07:26:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2051 Lines: 52 Of course, if you want a copy of DOE ... then the title is available *legally* from Persona.... for not a lot of dosh! -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Collier To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: 07 January 1999 19:12 Subject: Re: sim-coupe >At 6:44 pm +0000 7/1/99, Peter Harkess wrote: >> can someone tell me.... > >Probably. > >> how much memory will i be able to use with sim-coupe i.e just 512k or as >> much as my computer has free? > >SimCoupe is capable of emulating the external 1MB expansion boxes, so in >theory your virtual machine could have up to 4.5MB RAM. Exactly how to >configure this probably depends on which version you're using, is it DOS, >Linux or MacOS? > >> can i put my tape version of defenders of the earth in sim-coupe(i mean >> legaly)and if so how?? > >Emulation is a bit of a legal minefield - hence the recent arguments on >c.s.s. with the ISDA threatening a problem. Providing you own a legal >original copy of the game and you use the emulation solely for your own >personal use, then no-one is ever likely to complain.... but that doesn't >mean that it is in the strictest sense totally legal. > >That said, I don't think there is any easy way of transferring the game >from tape into SimCoupe; as far as I'm aware, external tape inputs are not >emulated (I could be wrong). Possibly you could use a real Sam to transfer >the files from the tape onto a disk, and then use that in SimCoupe. I've >never seen the tape versions of any Sam games so I don't know if there are >any protection mechanisms in place. But providing you can get the code into >the virtual machine, you can expect the game to run properly; the disk >version has already been reported to work correctly. > >Andrew > > >-- >| Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a >| Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he >+----------------+-----------------------------+ calls you foolish >| Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides > > > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 7 23:41:56 1999 Message-ID: <000301be3a96$e895f640$ab74883e@i4d4f6> From: "Malcolm Mackenzie" To: Subject: Persona news Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 23:37:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01BE3A96.BD3DC540" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1967 Lines: 63 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BE3A96.BD3DC540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Colin MacDonald and Malcolm Mackenzie have signed a contract of transfer = of FRED Publishing to PERSONA. All Fred Publishing software is now only available from PERSONA. Any queries regarding Fred Publishing should be addressed to:- PERSONA,=20 31 ASHWOOD DRIVE, BRANDLESHOLME, BURY, LANCS, BL8 1HF. Or e-mail me personaly:- malcolm@personahq.freeserve.co.uk Malcolm Mackenzie. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BE3A96.BD3DC540 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Colin MacDonald and Malcolm = Mackenzie have=20 signed a contract of transfer of FRED Publishing to = PERSONA.
 
All Fred Publishing software is now only available = from=20 PERSONA.
 
Any queries regarding Fred Publishing should be = addressed=20 to:-
PERSONA,
31 ASHWOOD DRIVE, BRANDLESHOLME, BURY, LANCS, BL8=20 1HF.
 
Or e-mail me personaly:-
malcolm@personahq.frees= erve.co.uk
 
Malcolm Mackenzie.
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BE3A96.BD3DC540-- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 7 23:59:17 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001201be3ad8$25330480$8d5008c3@persona> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 23:43:23 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: sim-coupe X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 903 Lines: 24 >>At 6:44 pm +0000 7/1/99, Peter Harkess wrote: >>> can i put my tape version of defenders of the earth in sim-coupe(i mean >>> legaly)and if so how?? At 7:26 am +0000 8/1/99, David wrote: >Of course, if you want a copy of DOE ... then the title is available >*legally* from Persona.... for not a lot of dosh! He says he's got one already - the question is whether it is legal to load it into an emulator. The ISDA would like to say no, of course, but providing nothing gets distributed then I don't see a problem. Although a copy on disk instead of tape would resolve the technical difficulties of actually loading the game... Andrew -- | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he +----------------+-----------------------------+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 8 00:21:33 1999 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 00:02:19 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Dave Subject: Re: sim-coupe References: <001201be3ad8$25330480$8d5008c3@persona> In-Reply-To: <001201be3ad8$25330480$8d5008c3@persona> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 664 Lines: 15 in a good-natured way, this is just a plug. but i don't think the original post said he was trying to do anything illegal, just run his own tape copy of DoE thru simcoupe. Hey, there's a thought. I know a lot of Enigma Variations games used protection for their disk games, but what about their cassettes? I mean, if the cassette isn't just a load of easily-loaded normal files, be they T112 or T70 or whatever, then my utility won't be able to convert them anyway. Hmm...I forget - does simcoupe handle directly reading the floppy drive? >Of course, if you want a copy of DOE ... then the title is available >*legally* from Persona.... for not a lot of dosh! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 8 00:28:34 1999 Message-ID: <000c01be3ae0$03376580$875008c3@persona> From: "David" To: Subject: Re: sim-coupe Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 08:22:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 958 Lines: 28 Of course it's a plug... ;) Why not? Nah... only handles disk images AFAIK... I think Unix does tho... -----Original Message----- From: Dave To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: 08 January 1999 00:06 Subject: Re: sim-coupe >in a good-natured way, this is just a plug. > >but i don't think the original post said he was trying to do anything >illegal, just run his own tape copy of DoE thru simcoupe. > >Hey, there's a thought. I know a lot of Enigma Variations games used >protection for their disk games, but what about their cassettes? I mean, >if the cassette isn't just a load of easily-loaded normal files, be they >T112 or T70 or whatever, then my utility won't be able to convert them >anyway. > >Hmm...I forget - does simcoupe handle directly reading the floppy drive? > >>Of course, if you want a copy of DOE ... then the title is available >>*legally* from Persona.... for not a lot of dosh! > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 8 00:43:56 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000c01be3ae0$03376580$875008c3@persona> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 00:36:09 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: sim-coupe X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1002 Lines: 28 >-----Original Message----- >From: Dave >>Hmm...I forget - does simcoupe handle directly reading the floppy drive? At 8:22 am +0000 8/1/99, David wrote: >Nah... only handles disk images AFAIK... I think Unix does tho... SimCoupe running on Linux (and only Linux, no other Unixes) will read Sam floppies from the PC's A: drive. All the details - alright, some of the details - are on the SimCoupe webpages (the new versions of which are currently in stasis at http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/computers/simcoupe/ ) Andrew PS. David, *please* could you set up your mail client to place the quoted messages above the new text, not below it, and do some judicious editing. It makes threads a lot easier to follow. -- | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he +----------------+-----------------------------+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 8 00:49:47 1999 Message-ID: <000601be3aa0$38486700$7225883e@i4d4f6> From: "Malcolm Mackenzie" To: Subject: Re: Gavin Smith questions Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 00:39:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1294 Lines: 34 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Malcolm Mackenzie > > Persona has now taken over Fred Publishing. > > Hmm, the phrase "monopoly on the SAM market" is beginning to spring >to mind when I hear the name Persona ;) Monopoly NO! I don`t think so, but we are doing a Chess game! > Nice one, and it makes good sense, at least as far as the software >is concerned, but what is going to happen with FRED and Blitz? Okay, they >have never been exactly the same sort of mags, with Fred being the more >gamesy, and Blitz being more techy, but there has certainly been some >overlap. I'd really like to see Fred becoming purely gamesy, and Blitz >becoming purely techy. That way people could subscribe to one or the other >or both (subbers to both could get a nice discount). Nice idea Gavin, but magazines can only survive with some contribution from the Sam users themselves, and if everyone sits on thier backsides waiting for someone else to do something, then you know what the result will be. > > All existing Fred products are now only available from PERSONA. > > I trust you have covered yourself where Kaboom is concerned! >Speaking of which, any chance of you convincing Wayne to do something >(anything?!) with it? Already spoken to Wayne, the game should be ready March/April. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 8 01:04:35 1999 Message-ID: <000a01be3ae5$8b90d880$a45008c3@persona> From: "David" To: Subject: Re: Gavin Smith questions Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 09:01:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 448 Lines: 15 Which year? ;) -----Original Message----- From: Malcolm Mackenzie To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: 08 January 1999 00:49 Subject: Re: Gavin Smith questions >> I trust you have covered yourself where Kaboom is concerned! >>Speaking of which, any chance of you convincing Wayne to do something >>(anything?!) with it? >Already spoken to Wayne, the game should be ready March/April. > > > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 8 01:04:35 1999 Message-ID: <000f01be3ae5$9fd4d580$a45008c3@persona> From: "David" To: Subject: Re: sim-coupe Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 09:02:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 417 Lines: 11 Wish I could.... any suggestions any other win98 users? -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Collier To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: 08 January 1999 00:43 Subject: Re: sim-coupe >PS. David, *please* could you set up your mail client to place the quoted >messages above the new text, not below it, and do some judicious editing. >It makes threads a lot easier to follow. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 8 01:23:37 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000f01be3ae5$9fd4d580$a45008c3@persona> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 01:12:13 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: sim-coupe X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 978 Lines: 25 At 9:02 am +0000 8/1/99, David wrote: >Wish I could.... any suggestions any other win98 users? > >-----Original Message----- >From: Andrew Collier >To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no >Date: 08 January 1999 00:43 >Subject: Re: sim-coupe >>PS. David, *please* could you set up your mail client to place the quoted >>messages above the new text, not below it, and do some judicious editing. >>It makes threads a lot easier to follow. Well I'm not over-familiar with Windows mail clients - there must be hundreds of them! Surely you can find one which works properly? But you might perhaps try Eudora Light, the Mac version is certainly perfectly acceptable, and it's freeware. Andrew -- | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he +----------------+-----------------------------+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 8 02:32:18 1999 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 02:27:56 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: Gavin Smith questions References: <000601be3aa0$38486700$7225883e@i4d4f6> In-Reply-To: <000601be3aa0$38486700$7225883e@i4d4f6> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 4.01 <8OHKkEUpoELRXEckwUjJGSM0AF> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 471 Lines: 15 In message <000601be3aa0$38486700$7225883e@i4d4f6>, Malcolm Mackenzie writes >Already spoken to Wayne, the game should be ready March/April. March/April? Considering that he only had an afternoon of coding left to do on it, that seems an awfully long time. Graham Goring -- /====================================\ | Ber-Limey! There's not even enough | |room to swing a cat in this sodding-| \=========== ICQ: 5333545 ===========/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 8 08:48:09 1999 X-Authentication-Warning: pc203.cambridge.arm.com: askillma owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 08:49:32 +0000 (GMT) From: Allan Skillman To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: sim-coupe In-Reply-To: <000c01be3ae0$03376580$875008c3@persona> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 734 Lines: 17 Hello All, > Of course it's a plug... ;) Why not? > > Nah... only handles disk images AFAIK... I think Unix does tho... Oh yes it does, in version 0.78 use fd1: or fd2: (for PC floppy A/B) in the 'image' pathname dialog box (ie instead of c:\yadda\yadda\yadda) Allan +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ | Allan Skillman | "There are five flavours of resons, the | | EDA Group | elementary particles of magic : up, down, | | ARM | sideways, sex-appeal and peppermint." | | allan.skillman@arm.com | - Terry Pratchett (Lords and Ladies) | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 8 09:06:30 1999 Message-ID: <81BDD4ADA85FD11185400000F847E9C2D8DF8B@nired027.europe.nortel.com> From: "Smith, Gavin [IRE07:8939:EXCH]" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: RE: Gavin Smith questions Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 08:51:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1936 Lines: 52 > -----Original Message----- > From: Malcolm Mackenzie [SMTP:malcolm@personahq.freeserve.co.uk] > Sent: Friday, January 08, 1999 12:40 AM > To: sam-users > Subject: Re: Gavin Smith questions > > Monopoly NO! I don`t think so, but we are doing a Chess game! Jupiter will have to change their adverts that say then ;) >> Nice one, and it makes good sense, at least as far as the software >> is concerned, but what is going to happen with FRED and Blitz? Okay, they >> have never been exactly the same sort of mags, with Fred being the more > >> gamesy, and Blitz being more techy, but there has certainly been some > >> overlap. I'd really like to see Fred becoming purely gamesy, and Blitz > >> becoming purely techy. That way people could subscribe to one or the > other > >> or both (subbers to both could get a nice discount). > > Nice idea Gavin, but magazines can only survive with some contribution from > the Sam users themselves, and if everyone sits on thier backsides waiting > for someone else to do something, then you know what the result will be. Eh? *confused* I was just suggesting instead of making both mags have some techy stuff, and some game stuff, that one concentrated on one area, and the other on the er other. Is FRED disk mag going to continue side by side with Blitz? > Already spoken to Wayne, the game should be ready March/April. He originally said the game was finished and he only needed to put in some protection which he said would take very little time. We've waited over a year now and the thing still hasn't been distributed - I suppose that's about the best protection against piracy you can get :) Oh well, at least you got him talking...And the time I've waited for Kaboom! doesn't compare to the time I've waiting (and still waiting...) for my SAM_Clock refund ;) (Just like to get my little dig in there...) Gavin Gavin Smith IMDB Support ESN 3844 External (01232)363844 From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Fri Jan 8 11:12:56 1999 Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:12:57 +0000 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: sim-coupe Message-ID: <19990108111256.A24323@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no References: <000f01be3ae5$9fd4d580$a45008c3@persona> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <000f01be3ae5$9fd4d580$a45008c3@persona>; from David on Fri, Jan 08, 1999 at 09:02:30AM -0000 Status: RO Content-Length: 1064 Lines: 22 On 8 Jan 1999 at 00:43, Andrew Collier wrote: > >PS. David, *please* could you set up your mail client to place the quoted > >messages above the new text, not below it, and do some judicious editing. > >It makes threads a lot easier to follow. Then on Fri, Jan 08, 1999 at 09:02:30AM -0000, David quoted it all at the bottom of a message saying: > Wish I could.... any suggestions any other win98 users? Outlook Express is by all accounts a terrible client for mail and news (in a flamewar in oxbridge.tat we have already discovered that it cannot be configured to stop wrapping quotations while keeping the line length of new text to acceptable limits), but even that seems to be able to put the quotes at the top judging by various emails I have received (some of which were even properly trimmed, although none has a proper "X said:" at the top). Honestly, you'd think Microsoft would be able to come up with a mail client that obeyed common sense formatting rules. Had nobody at Microsoft ever received an email before when they started writing this? imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 8 11:22:41 1999 From: "Paul Walker" Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 01:20:58 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: sim-coupe Message-ID: In-reply-to: References: <000c01be3ae0$03376580$875008c3@persona> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) X-Hops: 1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 436 Lines: 12 > PS. David, *please* could you set up your mail client to place the quoted > messages above the new text, not below it, and do some judicious editing. > It makes threads a lot easier to follow. Compared to the habit Outlook Express has got of encoding HTML in MIME after the message, it's a very minor thing. (Hello Malcom. Could you please TURN THAT OFF?! Thank you.) Paul -- .signature file has escaped, will recapture it later. From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Fri Jan 8 11:29:41 1999 Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:29:41 +0000 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: sim-coupe Message-ID: <19990108112940.C24323@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no References: <000c01be3ae0$03376580$875008c3@persona> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Paul Walker on Fri, Jan 08, 1999 at 01:20:58AM -0000 Status: RO Content-Length: 463 Lines: 13 On Fri, Jan 08, 1999 at 01:20:58AM -0000, Paul Walker wrote: > Compared to the habit Outlook Express has got of encoding HTML in > MIME after the message, it's a very minor thing. > (Hello Malcom. Could you please TURN THAT OFF?! Thank you.) You made me look... Apparently this nice mailer (mutt 0.95.1i in case you can't show the header) ignored the nasty HTML to the extent that I didn't even know it was there until I looked at the saved message. :-) imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 8 11:57:27 1999 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: sim-coupe References: <000c01be3ae0$03376580$875008c3@persona> <19990108112940.C24323@comlab.ox.ac.uk> X-Face: "J~~0'L`GfL^sW4%+i35x#X308)K/$7\]qy)UZ$`k:}Bx]6mgAA^N5,@brn/19TPn%o;j28 W7mD)UN~se8P9\3?wU.g+i9)X Date: 08 Jan 1999 11:42:19 +0000 In-Reply-To: Ian Collier's message of "Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:29:41 +0000" Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.070069 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.69) Emacs/20.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1074 Lines: 25 Ian Collier writes: > On Fri, Jan 08, 1999 at 01:20:58AM -0000, Paul Walker wrote: > > Compared to the habit Outlook Express has got of encoding HTML in > > MIME after the message, it's a very minor thing. > > > (Hello Malcom. Could you please TURN THAT OFF?! Thank you.) > > You made me look... > > Apparently this nice mailer (mutt 0.95.1i in case you can't show the header) > ignored the nasty HTML to the extent that I didn't even know it was there > until I looked at the saved message. :-) This is, IMHO, a good thing. After all this nice mailer (pGnus under emacs 20.3 in case your mailer is so brain-dead to be unable to show headers ....) trundles off and passes the HTML to w3 so I have to sit and wait about a second while Emacs, W3 and Gnus pass stuff between them, render the HTML and display in my message buffer instead of just showing me the plain text which would be a darn site easier! Lee. -- I was doing object-oriented assembly at 1 year old ... For some reason my mom insists on calling it "Playing with blocks" From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Fri Jan 8 12:06:21 1999 Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 12:06:21 +0000 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: sim-coupe Message-ID: <19990108120621.D24323@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no References: <000c01be3ae0$03376580$875008c3@persona> <19990108112940.C24323@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Lee Willis on Fri, Jan 08, 1999 at 11:42:19AM +0000 Status: RO Content-Length: 703 Lines: 15 On Fri, Jan 08, 1999 at 11:42:19AM +0000, Lee Willis wrote: > This is, IMHO, a good thing. After all this nice mailer (pGnus under > emacs 20.3 in case your mailer is so brain-dead to be unable to show > headers ....) trundles off and passes the HTML to w3 so I have to sit > and wait about a second while Emacs, W3 and Gnus pass stuff between > them, render the HTML and display in my message buffer instead of just > showing me the plain text which would be a darn site easier! Haha! My mutt will kick your pteradactyl's butt! :-) In the index I have sam-users mail displayed in green, personal mails in cyan, another list in yellow, and mail from various other lists in purple. Mutt is cool. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 8 16:57:14 1999 by mailhost.pemail2.net with SMTP; 8 Jan 1999 16:52:52 -0000 Message-ID: <36956947.C044B539@pmail.net> Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 02:11:19 +0000 From: Martin Fitzpatrick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: sim-coupe References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 424 Lines: 13 > >>PS. David, *please* could you set up your mail client to place the quoted > >>messages above the new text, not below it, and do some judicious editing. > >>It makes threads a lot easier to follow. depends which your using.. i could probably help out with outlook (spit) or netscape (woohoo)... maybe other few too.... is it any of them maybe?? :o) -- Email: poohsticks@pmail.net ICQ#: 11077801 AOL/CServeIM: Flupert From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 8 19:11:27 1999 From: tolchock@bigfoot.com To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: New URLs Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 19:00:57 GMT Message-ID: <36965518.8802233@relay.clara.net> References: <000801be391f$a2f531a0$90c448c2@Enterprise.enterprise.net> In-Reply-To: <000801be391f$a2f531a0$90c448c2@Enterprise.enterprise.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 521 Lines: 16 On Wed, 6 Jan 1999 02:52:03 -0000 Fri, 8 Jan 99 18:53:33 GMT, "Chris Pile" wrote: >>>AFAIK he is.... > >>Use a bit of netiquette mate! > > >There's nothing wrong in using common 'net abbreviations... If you don't >already know, AFAIK simply means 'As Far As I Know'... IKWYM, I've been on the net for quite a while. I meant the ridiculous amount of quoting. I don't know if it bothers other people, but replies that have either one line responses (especially at the top) really piss me off. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 8 20:17:09 1999 Message-ID: <001101be3b43$60e328a0$a3c448c2@Enterprise.enterprise.net> From: "Chris Pile" To: Subject: Re: New URLs Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 20:13:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 702 Lines: 18 -----Original Message----- From: tolchock@bigfoot.com To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: 08 January 1999 19:08 Subject: Re: New URLs >IKWYM, I've been on the net for quite a while. I meant the ridiculous >amount of quoting. I don't know if it bothers other people, but >replies that have either one line responses (especially at the top) >really piss me off. ;-)) Yes, I must admit, having a single line response at the top of some massive section of 'thread' is a quite a pain!! Judging from recent posts it seems a lot of it is down to the e-mail client you are using... I don't know, I leave all that boring stuff to people like Microsoft...!!! ;-) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 8 20:23:16 1999 Message-ID: <002101be3b44$3f91fea0$a3c448c2@Enterprise.enterprise.net> From: "Chris Pile" To: "Sam Users Group" Subject: TEST, PLEASE IGNORE... Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 20:19:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 92 Lines: 2 This is a test to see if I've entered the SAM group address in my address book correctly... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 9 11:47:32 1999 Message-ID: <00b201be3bc5$baaf4f80$43b259c3@h3o1j4> From: "Peter Harkess" To: Subject: Re: sim-coupe Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 11:46:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1316 Lines: 30 Well as far as i remember the tape version didn`t use headers apart from the basic file,so i really don`t know how i would get it into sim-coupe(dos vesion).I take it sim-coupe doesn`t support tap files or something like that,that i can use to put tape files onto disk and i really dont fancy buying the disk version if i can help it as i`ve already got the tape. Cheers Peter Harkess -----Original Message----- From: Dave ; owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: 08 January 1999 01:06 Subject: Re: sim-coupe >in a good-natured way, this is just a plug. > >but i don't think the original post said he was trying to do anything >illegal, just run his own tape copy of DoE thru simcoupe. > >Hey, there's a thought. I know a lot of Enigma Variations games used >protection for their disk games, but what about their cassettes? I mean, >if the cassette isn't just a load of easily-loaded normal files, be they >T112 or T70 or whatever, then my utility won't be able to convert them >anyway. > >Hmm...I forget - does simcoupe handle directly reading the floppy drive? > >>Of course, if you want a copy of DOE ... then the title is available >>*legally* from Persona.... for not a lot of dosh! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 9 15:14:56 1999 Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 08:56:03 -0500 From: Gordon Wallis <101762.2062@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: sim-coupe To: "INTERNET:sam-users@nvg.unit.no" Message-ID: <199901090856_MC2-6604-BF1E@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 829 Lines: 18 Message text written by INTERNET:sam-users@nvg.unit.no >...i really dont fancy buying the disk version if i can help it as i`ve already got the tape. Cheers Peter Harkess< How on earth could you stand waiting 2 1/2 years for *that* game to load from tape. I'll admit I was always amused by the pixel-by-pixel build up of a screen$ file from tape, but loading games?! What about if you got a tape loading error around day 700? But, on a more productive note: Maybe you could trade it in? As in 'send Malcolm the tape and some money (less than full disk price), and get the disk version sent back'? What do you think Malcolm? Call it an 'upgrade' (Though tape versions probably aren't that valuable except for the purposes of archiving... at a guess. I doubt you'll get swamped by this sort of request.) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 9 15:14:56 1999 X-Authentication-Warning: enigma.mono.org: unc owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 14:08:37 +0000 (GMT) From: Tim To: Sam Users Group Subject: Re: TEST, PLEASE IGNORE... In-Reply-To: <002101be3b44$3f91fea0$a3c448c2@Enterprise.enterprise.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 362 Lines: 13 On Fri, 8 Jan 1999, Chris Pile wrote: > This is a test to see if I've entered the SAM group address in my address > book correctly... Looks like it. (someone had too!) ....@/ .............................................................................@/ Unc - Tim Paveley - Moderator of "The Games Room" & "Ascii Animations" http://www.mono.org/~unc/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 9 20:30:52 1999 From: "Paul Walker" Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 15:34:54 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: New URLs Message-ID: In-reply-to: <001101be3b43$60e328a0$a3c448c2@Enterprise.enterprise.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) X-Hops: 1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 356 Lines: 12 > it is down to the e-mail client you are using... I don't know, I leave all that > boring stuff to people like Microsoft...!!! ;-) Ick, bad move. We're talking about people who wrote an email server which you can crash simply by sending an email with a certain subject line, remember? Paul -- .signature file has escaped, will recapture it later. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 9 20:30:53 1999 From: "Paul Walker" Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 15:34:54 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: sim-coupe Message-ID: In-reply-to: <000f01be3ae5$9fd4d580$a45008c3@persona> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) X-Hops: 1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 328 Lines: 10 > Wish I could.... any suggestions any other win98 users? Use Pegasus instead? :-) Easy, complies AFAIK with all the standards (unlike MS stuff), still being developed, and best of all it's free. You can find a mirror on ftp.demon.co.uk/pub/mirrors, I believe. Paul -- .signature file has escaped, will recapture it later. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 9 20:30:54 1999 From: "Paul Walker" Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 15:34:54 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: sim-coupe Message-ID: In-reply-to: <19990108112940.C24323@comlab.ox.ac.uk> References: ; from Paul Walker on Fri, Jan 08, 1999 at 01:20:58AM -0000 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) X-Hops: 1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 421 Lines: 10 > Apparently this nice mailer (mutt 0.95.1i in case you can't show the header) > ignored the nasty HTML to the extent that I didn't even know it was there > until I looked at the saved message. :-) I can ignore the HTML, it's just a bugger to download it first; plus the MIME formatting makes it look strange at the top anyway, I prefer a nice clean look. Paul -- .signature file has escaped, will recapture it later. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 9 23:42:07 1999 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 18:17:52 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Dave Subject: Re: sim-coupe References: <00b201be3bc5$baaf4f80$43b259c3@h3o1j4> In-Reply-To: <00b201be3bc5$baaf4f80$43b259c3@h3o1j4> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 831 Lines: 18 >Well as far as i remember the tape version didn`t use headers apart from the >basic file,so i really don`t know how i would get it into sim-coupe(dos >vesion).I take it sim-coupe doesn`t support tap files or something like >that,that i can use to put tape files onto disk and i really dont fancy >buying the disk version if i can help it as i`ve already got the tape. > Cheers > Peter Harkess One of the beautiful things about .tap files is that you can easily convert a game cassette into a single .tap file, as long as it doesn't use any fancy loading techniques. header-less files aren't 'fancy' in the least, since a file WITH a header is really only two atomic 'headerless' files put together. but this is a moot point because, like i said, simcoupe doesn't support .tap files. but it should. -- Dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jan 10 01:57:32 1999 Message-ID: <19990110015403.22556.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.74] From: "Simon Cooke" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: sim-coupe Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 17:54:03 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 918 Lines: 33 >From: "David" >To: >Subject: Re: sim-coupe >Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 09:02:30 -0000 >Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > >Wish I could.... any suggestions any other win98 users? *ahem* You're using: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 Tools -> Options... Click the "send" tab. Set your mail sending format to "Plain Text" and hit the "Settings" button to the side of it. Message format should be MIME, no encoding, don't allow 8-bit characters in headers. Auto wrap text at 76 chars when sending Indent the original text should be checked, and you can choose an indent character - '>' is preferred. Have a nice deh-hay! Simon (Microsoft Windows 98 Technical Support) (Honest Guv) (Actually, I work on Visual Studio 7, in case I've not told anyone) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jan 10 02:09:04 1999 Date: Sun, 10 Jan 99 01:39:30 GMT Message-ID: <1151_OASIS_@lhutz.demon.co.uk> From: 8bit@itdoesntsuck.com (James R Curry) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Mailer: OASIS Post Box (Atari) v1.31E Subject: Re: sim-coupe X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 492 Lines: 21 In E-Mail <000f01be3ae5$9fd4d580$a45008c3@persona> "David" wrote:- >Wish I could.... any suggestions any other win98 users? Uninstall it? __ James R Curry - 8bit@itdoesntsuck.com "You're missing the point! The individual doesn't matter. It was a team effort, and I was the one who came up with the whole team idea...me!" - Homer Simpson, The Simpsons. Please insert meaningless promise about The Official James R Curry web page here... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jan 10 14:15:31 1999 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: sskardon@argonet.co.uk (Stewart Skardon) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sun, 10 Jan 99 14:03:56 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Crashed is back! Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 705 Lines: 26 Hi folks, It would seem that my last posting was a little negative. I have received a copy of issue 23 of Crashed from Dave Fountain, and it's not bad at all. This has inspired me to update and replace the Crashed Web Site, at the new address of http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/crashed/ Take a look, and any suggestions would be gladly received. A very happy Stewart. (Currently listening to Steps.) -- _ (_'tewart email : sskardon@argonet.co.uk ,_)kardon http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/stewart/ ICQ : 18283999 * * * Stewart's SAM Coupe Information Pages. * * * http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jan 10 14:42:58 1999 Message-ID: <000401be3ca7$3fe91f00$b327883e@i4d4f6> From: "Malcolm Mackenzie" To: Subject: Re: Crashed is back! FRED`s back as well? Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 14:38:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 946 Lines: 40 -----Original Message----- From: Stewart Skardon To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: 10 January 1999 14:14 Subject: Crashed is back! Original message Stewart Skardon wrote:- >Hi folks, > >It would seem that my last posting was a little negative. >I have received a copy of issue 23 of Crashed from Dave Fountain, and it's not >bad at all. Although the Postbox section want`s updating (I find we are not in there, Sam supplement should be taken out as it no longer exists, and I think the same applies to ZX Files) >This has inspired me to update and replace the Crashed Web Site, at the new >address of > >http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/crashed/ > >Take a look, and any suggestions would be gladly received. Took a peep, nice graphics! >A very happy Stewart. > >(Currently listening to Steps.) A very old, but happy Malcolm. (Currently listening to LIVE`s album Throwing Copper) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jan 10 16:59:11 1999 From: BillRitman@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 11:54:36 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Gavin Smith questions Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows sub 178 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 440 Lines: 16 In a message dated 08/01/99 02:29:43, you write: > > In message <000601be3aa0$38486700$7225883e@i4d4f6>, Malcolm Mackenzie > writes > >Already spoken to Wayne, the game should be ready March/April. > > March/April? Considering that he only had an afternoon of coding left > to do on it, that seems an awfully long time. > > Graham Goring And that was three Gloucester shows ago. -- Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jan 10 17:43:38 1999 Message-ID: <000801be3cc0$46689900$8220883e@i4d4f6> From: "Malcolm Mackenzie" To: Subject: Re: Gavin Smith questions Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 17:40:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 728 Lines: 28 -----Original Message----- From: BillRitman@aol.com To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: 10 January 1999 16:56 Subject: Re: Gavin Smith questions >In a message dated 08/01/99 02:29:43, you write: > >> >> In message <000601be3aa0$38486700$7225883e@i4d4f6>, Malcolm Mackenzie >> writes >> >Already spoken to Wayne, the game should be ready March/April. >> >> March/April? Considering that he only had an afternoon of coding left >> to do on it, that seems an awfully long time. >> >> Graham Goring > >And that was three Gloucester shows ago. > >-- >Bill. > Didn`t know you were interested in games Bill, you never buy anything! Malcolm. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jan 10 20:06:31 1999 Message-ID: <001601be3d17$2c9113c0$9a5008c3@persona> From: "David" To: Subject: Re: Gavin Smith questions Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 04:02:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 467 Lines: 18 -----Original Message----- From: Malcolm Mackenzie To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: 10 January 1999 17:43 Subject: Re: Gavin Smith questions >>And that was three Gloucester shows ago. >> >>-- >>Bill. >> >Didn`t know you were interested in games Bill, you never buy anything! > >Malcolm. Oh Mack, surely Bill at least subscribes to Fred... after all he seems to be fairly knowledgable about the SAM scene? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jan 10 22:54:20 1999 Message-ID: <001001be3ceb$58f9ce60$032f883e@i4d4f6> From: "Malcolm Mackenzie" To: Subject: Re: Gavin Smith questions Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 22:48:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 764 Lines: 31 -----Original Message----- From: David To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: 10 January 1999 20:02 Subject: Re: Gavin Smith questions >-----Original Message----- >From: Malcolm Mackenzie >To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no >Date: 10 January 1999 17:43 >Subject: Re: Gavin Smith questions > > >>>And that was three Gloucester shows ago. >>> >>>-- >>>Bill. >>> >>Didn`t know you were interested in games Bill, you never buy anything! >> >>Malcolm. >Oh Mack, surely Bill at least subscribes to Fred... after all he seems to be >fairly knowledgable about the SAM scene? Although it seems unlikely, he might have a friend who keeps him informed about what`s going on. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 11 08:35:39 1999 Message-ID: <81BDD4ADA85FD11185400000F847E9C2D8E018@nired027.europe.nortel.com> From: GAVSMITH@nt.com To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: RE: Crashed is back! Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 08:25:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 545 Lines: 18 > -----Original Message----- > From: sskardon@argonet.co.uk [SMTP:sskardon@argonet.co.uk] > Sent: Sunday, January 10, 1999 2:04 PM > To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Subject: Crashed is back! > > It would seem that my last posting was a little negative. > I have received a copy of issue 23 of Crashed from Dave Fountain, and it's not > bad at all. An issue is out from him already? Has everyone got it, or just you? (Here's hoping it's better than that last issue - God was that bad!) Gavin Smith IMDB Support ESN 3844 External (01232)363844 From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 11 09:50:36 1999 Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 09:28:34 +0000 (BST) From: Dave Hooper To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Crashed is back! FRED`s back as well? In-Reply-To: <000401be3ca7$3fe91f00$b327883e@i4d4f6> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 206 Lines: 13 > >(Currently listening to Steps.) yikes > (Currently listening to LIVE`s album Throwing Copper) eek (Now playing: Tortoise - TNT Was playing: Mogwai - 'No Education = No Future [f*ck the curfew]') From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 11 13:24:23 1999 Message-Id: From: Dan Doore Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:06:45 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: RE: Crashed is back! MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /310000000/310102093/310102123/310460310/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 157e" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 295 Lines: 18 > Take a look, and any suggestions would be gladly received. Very nice. > (Currently listening to Steps.) Very bad. :-) Speaking of all things magaziney - when is the next Fred due out - Mal? Dan. Work: dan@armature.com Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 11 18:24:02 1999 From: tolchock@bigfoot.com To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Gavin Smith questions Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:00:32 GMT Message-ID: <369c2914.12744597@relay.clara.net> References: <000801be3cc0$46689900$8220883e@i4d4f6> In-Reply-To: <000801be3cc0$46689900$8220883e@i4d4f6> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 265 Lines: 10 On Sun, 10 Jan 1999 17:40:08 -0000 Sun, 10 Jan 99 20:34:49 GMT, "Malcolm Mackenzie" wrote: >> >Didn`t know you were interested in games Bill, you never buy anything! Hmphhh. That was a bit unethical, that was Mack! :-) Dave. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 11 18:24:02 1999 From: tolchock@bigfoot.com To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Gavin Smith questions Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:00:36 GMT Message-ID: <369d29fe.12978522@relay.clara.net> References: <001601be3d17$2c9113c0$9a5008c3@persona> In-Reply-To: <001601be3d17$2c9113c0$9a5008c3@persona> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 496 Lines: 19 On Mon, 11 Jan 1999 04:02:12 -0000 Sun, 10 Jan 99 20:34:51 GMT, "David" wrote: >Oh Mack, surely Bill at least subscribes to Fred... after all he seems to be >fairly knowledgable about the SAM scene? I think Bill's in the Format camp. Now there's an interesting thought: will Fred and Format be as co-operative now? Advertising each other and generally in the same bed? Ha Ha.. I've just had some other funny thoughts, but I won't mention them. :-)))))) TTFN Dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 11 18:24:06 1999 From: tolchock@bigfoot.com To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Crashed is back! Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:00:38 GMT Message-ID: <36ae3854.16648952@relay.clara.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 262 Lines: 14 On Sun, 10 Jan 99 14:03:56 Sun, 10 Jan 99 20:34:44 GMT, sskardon@argonet.co.uk (Stewart Skardon) wrote: >A very happy Stewart. > >(Currently listening to Steps.) Tsk... How could anyone ever admit to such deviance!? :) Dave (n.p. Iggy Pop - Lust For Life) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 11 18:50:49 1999 From: BillRitman@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:41:28 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Gavin Smith questions Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows sub 178 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 238 Lines: 15 In a message dated 10/01/99 17:39:59, you write: > >And that was three Gloucester shows ago. > > > >-- > >Bill. > > > Didn`t know you were interested in games Bill, you never buy anything! > > Malcolm. > Who said? -- Bill. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 11 19:34:22 1999 Message-ID: <000401be3d98$d1d875e0$ca32883e@i4d4f6> From: "Malcolm Mackenzie" To: Subject: Re: Gavin Smith questions Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 19:28:15 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 739 Lines: 33 -----Original Message----- From: BillRitman@aol.com To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: 11 January 1999 18:46 Subject: Re: Gavin Smith questions & KABOOM! >In a message dated 10/01/99 17:39:59, you write: > >> >And that was three Gloucester shows ago. >> > >> >-- >> >Bill. >> > >> Didn`t know you were interested in games Bill, you never buy anything! >> >> Malcolm. >> >Who said? > >-- >Bill. Well lets start with these:- Persona, Fred, Sam Supplement, SC software, Lerm, Nick Humpries (Midi sequencer) ,don`t know about the new Revelation ( Frank Broughton does not answer any letters, does not have a phone, does not post e-mails, in fact does not seem to exist at all). Malcolm. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 11 20:56:16 1999 From: "Robert van der Veeke" To: Subject: Re: Gavin Smith questions Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 21:46:51 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19990111204719.03EAF26EE@maillist.kabelfoon.nl> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 612 Lines: 17 > Van: Malcolm Mackenzie > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Onderwerp: Re: Gavin Smith questions > Datum: Monday, January 11, 1999 8:28 > Persona, Fred, Sam Supplement, SC software, Lerm, Nick Humpries (Midi > sequencer) ,don`t know about the new Revelation ( Frank Broughton does not > answer any letters, does not have a phone, does not post e-mails, in fact > does not seem to exist at all). Who the hell is Frank Broughton, is he something like Kevin Smythe? :) -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Currently listening to : Ah my Goddess - OST #1 From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 11 22:00:43 1999 Message-ID: <000901be3dad$01fc48a0$b478883e@i4d4f6> From: "Malcolm Mackenzie" To: Subject: SC Word Pro Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 21:54:44 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01BE3DAD.00170DE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 989 Lines: 33 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BE3DAD.00170DE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Sammers, As from today, SC Word Pro and all other SC products will only be = available from PERSONA. M.D.L.M ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BE3DAD.00170DE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Sammers,
As from today, SC Word Pro and all = other SC=20 products will only be available from PERSONA.
M.D.L.M
------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BE3DAD.00170DE0-- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 11 22:27:45 1999 From: nick@the-den.clara.net (Nick Humphries) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Gavin Smith questions Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 22:18:12 GMT Organization: Nick's Den Message-ID: <369a7881.111019524@relay.clara.net> References: <000401be3d98$d1d875e0$ca32883e@i4d4f6> In-Reply-To: <000401be3d98$d1d875e0$ca32883e@i4d4f6> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 383 Lines: 10 >Persona, Fred, Sam Supplement, SC software, Lerm, Nick Humpries (Midi Ummm... where do I come into this? ----------------------------------------------- Nick Humphries - nick@the-den.clara.net -----------------ICQ #22773485----------------- The Your Sinclair Rock'n'Roll Years http://www.the-den.clara.net/ys/cover.htm ----------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 11 23:01:18 1999 Message-ID: <000801be3db3$fc1dbc00$0325883e@i4d4f6> From: "Malcolm Mackenzie" To: Subject: Re: Gavin Smith questions Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 22:44:41 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 727 Lines: 21 -----Original Message----- From: Nick Humphries To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: 11 January 1999 22:23 Subject: Re: Gavin Smith questions >Persona, Fred, Sam Supplement, SC software, Lerm, Nick Humpries (Midi Ummm... where do I come into this? WHOOPS! sorry I ment Tim Humpries, but then again Nick you did produce a SAM disk (cursor) if my memory serves me right, did Bill order anything from you? ----------------------------------------------- Nick Humphries - nick@the-den.clara.net -----------------ICQ #22773485----------------- The Your Sinclair Rock'n'Roll Years http://www.the-den.clara.net/ys/cover.htm ----------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 11 23:01:19 1999 From: nick@the-den.clara.net (Nick Humphries) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Gavin Smith questions Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 22:46:37 GMT Organization: Nick's Den Message-ID: <369c7f01.112684021@relay.clara.net> References: <000801be3db3$fc1dbc00$0325883e@i4d4f6> In-Reply-To: <000801be3db3$fc1dbc00$0325883e@i4d4f6> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 693 Lines: 19 On Mon, 11 Jan 1999 22:44:41 -0000 Mon, 11 Jan 99 22:46:44 GMT, you wrote: > >>>Persona, Fred, Sam Supplement, SC software, Lerm, Nick Humpries (Midi > >>Ummm... where do I come into this? > >WHOOPS! sorry I ment Tim Humpries, but then again Nick you did produce a SAM >disk (cursor) if my memory serves me right, did Bill order anything from >you? God knows... I sold 20 of 'em, and it was nearly ten years ago... ----------------------------------------------- Nick Humphries - nick@the-den.clara.net -----------------ICQ #22773485----------------- The Your Sinclair Rock'n'Roll Years http://www.the-den.clara.net/ys/cover.htm ----------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 11 23:40:05 1999 Message-ID: <369A89FF.E793AAA7@purple.dircon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 23:32:16 +0000 From: Gavin Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SC Word Pro References: <000901be3dad$01fc48a0$b478883e@i4d4f6> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 381 Lines: 15 > Malcolm Mackenzie wrote: > > Dear Sammers, > As from today, SC Word Pro and all other SC products will only be > available from PERSONA. > M.D.L.M Good to hear, I liked SC Word Pro - Malcolm could you tell me what the latest version number is, and if Steve gave you versions for different printers? Gavin P.S. I won't mention the word "monopoly" again this time Malcolm ;) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 11 23:43:19 1999 Message-ID: <000a01be3dbb$d00c5380$0552883e@i4d4f6> From: "Malcolm Mackenzie" To: Subject: Re: SC Word Pro Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 23:40:44 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 634 Lines: 25 -----Original Message----- From: Gavin Smith To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: 11 January 1999 23:35 Subject: Re: SC Word Pro > > >> Malcolm Mackenzie wrote: >> >> Dear Sammers, >> As from today, SC Word Pro and all other SC products will only be >> available from PERSONA. >> M.D.L.M > >Good to hear, I liked SC Word Pro - Malcolm could you tell me what the >latest version number is, and if Steve gave you versions for different printers? > >Gavin > >P.S. I won't mention the word "monopoly" again this time Malcolm ;) >You will find I have sent you a personal reply GAVIN! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 12 00:32:00 1999 Message-ID: <003b01be3dc2$2c6949c0$c075883e@i4d4f6> From: "Malcolm Mackenzie" To: Subject: Re: Gavin Smith questions Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 00:26:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 955 Lines: 31 -----Original Message----- From: Nick Humphries To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: 11 January 1999 22:56 Subject: Re: Gavin Smith questions On Mon, 11 Jan 1999 22:44:41 -0000 Mon, 11 Jan 99 22:46:44 GMT, you wrote: > >>>Persona, Fred, Sam Supplement, SC software, Lerm, Nick Humpries (Midi > >>Ummm... where do I come into this? > >WHOOPS! sorry I ment Tim Humpries, but then again Nick you did produce a SAM >disk (cursor) if my memory serves me right, did Bill order anything from >you? God knows... I sold 20 of 'em, and it was nearly ten years ago... I bought one, (but then I was young and foolish) who were the other 19 ----------------------------------------------- Nick Humphries - nick@the-den.clara.net -----------------ICQ #22773485----------------- The Your Sinclair Rock'n'Roll Years http://www.the-den.clara.net/ys/cover.htm ----------------------------------------------- From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Tue Jan 12 10:50:25 1999 Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:50:25 +0000 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Gavin Smith questions Message-ID: <19990112105024.A3080@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no References: <003b01be3dc2$2c6949c0$c075883e@i4d4f6> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <003b01be3dc2$2c6949c0$c075883e@i4d4f6>; from Malcolm Mackenzie on Tue, Jan 12, 1999 at 12:26:16AM -0000 Status: RO Content-Length: 1132 Lines: 29 On Tue, Jan 12, 1999 at 12:26:16AM -0000, Malcolm Mackenzie wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: Nick Humphries > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Date: 11 January 1999 22:56 > Subject: Re: Gavin Smith questions > > On Mon, 11 Jan 1999 22:44:41 -0000 Mon, 11 Jan 99 22:46:44 GMT, you wrote: > [snip previous message from Malcolm] > > God knows... I sold 20 of 'em, and it was nearly ten years ago... > > > I bought one, (but then I was young and foolish) who were the other 19 > ----------------------------------------------- > Nick Humphries - nick@the-den.clara.net [snip rest of Nick's .sig] Pardon me for grouching about this some more, but it took me a long time to work out what was going on above. It is from Malcolm but it ends with Nick's sig, and the lines from Nick and the lines from Malcolm do not have anything to distinguish between them. So Malcolm could you please configure your email client to be more sensible? Simon has already posted the instructions on how to do this. And do edit out unnecessary material such as other people's sigs. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 12 12:42:21 1999 From: tolchock@bigfoot.com To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Gavin Smith questions Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:25:59 GMT Message-ID: <369b3f25.1523690@relay.clara.net> References: <19990111204719.03EAF26EE@maillist.kabelfoon.nl> In-Reply-To: <19990111204719.03EAF26EE@maillist.kabelfoon.nl> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 250 Lines: 7 On Mon, 11 Jan 1999 21:46:51 +0100 Tue, 12 Jan 99 12:26:00 GMT, "Robert van der Veeke" wrote: >Who the hell is Frank Broughton, is he something like Kevin Smythe? :) Must be some kind of Howard Hughes - that's if he does exist? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 12 13:00:11 1999 Subject: Spec. ROM disassembly To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:51:50 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <369b3f25.1523690@relay.clara.net> from "tolchock@bigfoot.com" at Jan 12, 99 12:25:59 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Gale X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 84 Lines: 4 I've got the spectrum ROM disassembly book - does anyone want it for a fiver? Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 12 13:14:18 1999 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Spec. ROM disassembly References: X-Face: "J~~0'L`GfL^sW4%+i35x#X308)K/$7\]qy)UZ$`k:}Bx]6mgAA^N5,@brn/19TPn%o;j28 W7mD)UN~se8P9\3?wU.g+i9)X Date: 12 Jan 1999 13:02:13 +0000 In-Reply-To: Andrew Gale's message of "Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:51:50 +0000 (GMT)" Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.070069 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.69) Emacs/20.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 232 Lines: 11 Andrew Gale writes: [Snip] > does anyone want it for a fiver? Oo-er :) Lee. -- I was doing object-oriented assembly at 1 year old ... For some reason my mom insists on calling it "Playing with blocks" From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 12 18:19:23 1999 X-Authentication-Warning: enigma.mono.org: unc owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:12:48 +0000 (GMT) From: Tim To: Sam Users Mailing List Subject: Fred and all that. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 663 Lines: 19 So fred is back :) 1) Am I right in thinking the last issue Darren did was #81 2) Am I right in thinking there was only one "freddisk" #82 3) Malcom - Did Colin M pass you the disk I gave him? There are a couple of games on there I originally wrote for fred (but have since released on the SadSnail Collection) - feel free to [download and] use them if you want. 4) Did I spell Malcom right then? It looks too short and I've just deleted all the relevant emails.... ....@/ .............................................................................@/ Unc - Tim Paveley - Moderator of "The Games Room" & "Ascii Animations" http://www.mono.org/~unc/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 12 18:46:36 1999 Message-ID: <000401be3e5b$190bc3a0$3fcf883e@i4d4f6> From: "Malcolm Mackenzie" To: "Sam users" Subject: Gavin Smith Questions, the story so far Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:38:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 997 Lines: 26 I was asked in one mailing about `KABOOM!` and if I had any idea when if ever it would be released. I answered by saying that I had spoken to wayne Coles, he told me that as soon as he had finished the project he was working on he would finish `KABOOM!` and that this would be around March/April . The first comment on this subject came from Graham Goring, asking what year! Now for a start Graham should be more informed than I, as he told me in a phone conversation that he spoke to Wayne most weekends. The second comment came from the mysterious Bill Ritman, he said that it was supposed to be released about three Gloucester shows ago. The same applies to the `NSSS` Bill I then made the comment that I did not think Bill was interested in games, as he never bought anything. Bill then replied, `Who said` So I then gave a list of people/companies who had as far as I know never had an order off him. After that I got told off for not editing my mail properly by Ian Collier. M.D.L.M From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 12 19:02:02 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000401be3e5b$190bc3a0$3fcf883e@i4d4f6> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:51:14 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Gavin Smith Questions, the story so far X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 750 Lines: 21 At 6:38 pm +0000 12/1/99, Malcolm Mackenzie wrote: >I was asked in one mailing about `KABOOM!` and if I had any idea when if >ever it would be released. >I answered by saying that I had spoken to wayne Coles, he told me that as >soon as he had finished the project he was working on he would finish >`KABOOM!` and that this would be around March/April . [blah] >After that I got told off for not editing my mail properly by Ian Collier. Yes, I know. We read it too. Your point? Andrew -- | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he +----------------+-----------------------------+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 12 19:20:13 1999 X-Authentication-Warning: enigma.mono.org: unc owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 19:16:45 +0000 (GMT) From: Tim To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Gavin Smith Questions, the story so far In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 503 Lines: 17 On Tue, 12 Jan 1999, Andrew Collier wrote: > Yes, I know. We read it too. I didn't. > Your point? A nice, amusing summary for those of us who can't be bothered to read the amount of crap that gets sent to this list. Oh for the days of high SNR. Malcolm - sorry I got your name wrong in my last email! Tim ....@/ .............................................................................@/ Unc - Tim Paveley - Moderator of "The Games Room" & "Ascii Animations" http://www.mono.org/~unc/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 12 20:04:22 1999 From: "Maria Rookyard" To: Subject: Re: Gavin Smith questions Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 20:00:51 -0000 Message-ID: <01be3e66$41d7ca80$LocalHost@register> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 220 Lines: 13 > Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics > [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] > Currently listening to : Ah my Goddess - OST #1 I'm currently listening to something that my next door neighbours are playing way too loudly. Maria. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 12 20:12:57 1999 Message-ID: <001001be3e67$b7d81d60$d759883e@i4d4f6> From: "Malcolm Mackenzie" To: "Sam users" Subject: The story so far Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 20:11:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 215 Lines: 6 The point is Andrew, that Ian said he was a little confused, so I saved him the time and trouble of shovelling through the shit to find IT. Currently listening to two of my children having a blazing row. M.D.L.M. From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Tue Jan 12 21:04:27 1999 Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 21:04:27 +0000 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Spec. ROM disassembly Message-ID: <19990112210427.A6476@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no References: <369b3f25.1523690@relay.clara.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Andrew Gale on Tue, Jan 12, 1999 at 12:51:50PM +0000 Status: RO Content-Length: 273 Lines: 8 On Tue, Jan 12, 1999 at 12:51:50PM +0000, Andrew Gale wrote: > I've got the spectrum ROM disassembly book - does > anyone want it for a fiver? Happen to have one already, but if you don't get a response here there are bound to be loads of people on css who want one. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 13 01:56:27 1999 Message-ID: <19990113015223.798.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.76] From: "Simon Cooke" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Gavin Smith Questions, the story so far Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 17:52:21 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 832 Lines: 25 >At 6:38 pm +0000 12/1/99, Malcolm Mackenzie wrote: >>I was asked in one mailing about `KABOOM!` and if I had any idea when if >>ever it would be released. >>I answered by saying that I had spoken to wayne Coles, he told me that as >>soon as he had finished the project he was working on he would finish >>`KABOOM!` and that this would be around March/April . >[blah] >>After that I got told off for not editing my mail properly by Ian Collier. > >Yes, I know. We read it too. > >Your point? If it's just the disk protection that's needed, couldn't Chris and I just bang together a revamped version of the Lemmings/Parallax protection, and then it could be distributed with E-Copy which a few publishers have? Si ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 13 02:08:30 1999 Message-ID: <+ne6sEAR6$m2EwlU@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 02:01:53 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: Gavin Smith Questions, the story so far References: <000401be3e5b$190bc3a0$3fcf883e@i4d4f6> In-Reply-To: <000401be3e5b$190bc3a0$3fcf883e@i4d4f6> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 4.01 <8OHKkEUpoELRXEckwUjJGSM0AF> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 864 Lines: 22 In message <000401be3e5b$190bc3a0$3fcf883e@i4d4f6>, Malcolm Mackenzie writes >I was asked in one mailing about `KABOOM!` and if I had any idea when if >ever it would be released. >I answered by saying that I had spoken to wayne Coles, he told me that as >soon as he had finished the project he was working on he would finish >`KABOOM!` and that this would be around March/April . > >The first comment on this subject came from Graham Goring, asking what year! >Now for a start Graham should be more informed than I, as he told me in a >phone conversation that he spoke to Wayne most weekends. I didn't say "what year?" at all. That was someone else. Graham Goring -- /====================================\ | Ber-Limey! There's not even enough | |room to swing a cat in this sodding-| \=========== ICQ: 5333545 ===========/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 13 06:31:41 1999 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 99 06:07:30 GMT Message-ID: <1154_OASIS_@lhutz.demon.co.uk> From: 8bit@itdoesntsuck.com (James R Curry) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Mailer: OASIS Post Box (Atari) v1.31E Subject: Re: Gavin Smith Questions, the sto X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1926 Lines: 57 In E-Mail <000401be3e5b$190bc3a0$3fcf883e@i4d4f6> "Malcolm Mackenzie" wrote:- >I was asked in one mailing about `KABOOM!` and if I had any idea when if >ever it would be released. >I answered by saying that I had spoken to wayne Coles, he told me that as >soon as he had finished the project he was working on he would finish >`KABOOM!` and that this would be around March/April . *snip!* >After that I got told off for not editing my mail properly by Ian Collier. > >M.D.L.M Hmm, I can actually hear the music and deep voiceover saying "Previously on Sam-Users". If I may be serious - well, the response of people about Kaboom! is understandable. I mean, Graham speaks to Wayne often and the story he gets is "There is one afternoon of work left to do on it"... like there has been for probably well over a year now. Personally, I can't wait for the game, and will purchase a copy forthwith on release. I gave up on ordering Sam software before release... lots of vapourware, you know? **commercial break here** Er, as for the mailer thing... well, it may seem petty from the receiving end, but if everyone doesn't set their mailer up to at least some kind of recogniseable standard when it comes to replies, it can be very confusing for the poor reader. **fade to black** "Will Wayne finish Kaboom? Will Malcolm fix his mailer? Will Simon complete his secret mission to infiltrate Microsoft and bring down Bill Gates? The questions will be answered next week on Sam-Users!" **run credits** Oh, I'm in an odd mood, okay?! *hides* __ James R Curry - 8bit@itdoesntsuck.com "You're missing the point! The individual doesn't matter. It was a team effort, and I was the one who came up with the whole team idea...me!" - Homer Simpson, The Simpsons. Please insert meaningless promise about The Official James R Curry web page here... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 13 06:31:41 1999 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 99 06:17:32 GMT Message-ID: <1155_OASIS_@lhutz.demon.co.uk> From: 8bit@itdoesntsuck.com (James R Curry) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Mailer: OASIS Post Box (Atari) v1.31E Subject: Re: Spec. ROM disassembly X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 745 Lines: 28 OASIS_E-Mail: Ian Collier wrote:- >On Tue, Jan 12, 1999 at 12:51:50PM +0000, Andrew Gale wrote: >> I've got the spectrum ROM disassembly book - does >> anyone want it for a fiver? > >Happen to have one already, but if you don't get a response here there >are bound to be loads of people on css who want one. Actually, something that is missing from my library... a fiver, you say? :) __ James R Curry - 8bit@itdoesntsuck.com "You're missing the point! The individual doesn't matter. It was a team effort, and I was the one who came up with the whole team idea...me!" - Homer Simpson, The Simpsons. Please insert meaningless promise about The Official James R Curry web page here... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 13 06:31:41 1999 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 99 06:19:26 GMT Message-ID: <1156_OASIS_@lhutz.demon.co.uk> From: 8bit@itdoesntsuck.com (James R Curry) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Mailer: OASIS Post Box (Atari) v1.31E Subject: Re: Gavin Smith Questions, the X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 540 Lines: 24 In E-Mail <+ne6sEAR6$m2EwlU@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk> Graham Goring wrote:- >I didn't say "what year?" at all. That was someone else. > >Graham Goring You just said it there. __ James R Curry - 8bit@itdoesntsuck.com "You're missing the point! The individual doesn't matter. It was a team effort, and I was the one who came up with the whole team idea...me!" - Homer Simpson, The Simpsons. Please insert meaningless promise about The Official James R Curry web page here... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 13 10:24:55 1999 Subject: Re: Spec. ROM disassembly To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 10:20:20 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <1155_OASIS_@lhutz.demon.co.uk> from "James R Curry" at Jan 13, 99 06:17:32 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Gale X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 555 Lines: 15 > Actually, something that is missing from my library... a fiver, you > say? :) > Yup... if you want it. On a different point, I figured recently that there must be quite a lot of SAM techincal info that gets used quite a bit but is hidden in the murky depths of the technical manual or various disczines, or nowhere at all, and I was wondering if it would be worth putting together some sort of SAM quick-reference sheets. Either a short (20 page or so) A5 book with all the key data, or a number of filofax-size sheets. What do people think? Andy From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Wed Jan 13 13:01:45 1999 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:01:45 +0000 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Gavin Smith Questions, the story so far Message-ID: <19990113130145.A8075@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no References: <000401be3e5b$190bc3a0$3fcf883e@i4d4f6> <+ne6sEAR6$m2EwlU@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <+ne6sEAR6$m2EwlU@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk>; from Graham Goring on Wed, Jan 13, 1999 at 02:01:53AM +0000 Status: RO Content-Length: 207 Lines: 6 On Wed, Jan 13, 1999 at 02:01:53AM +0000, Graham Goring wrote: > I didn't say "what year?" at all. That was someone else. You are quite correct. It was daveykins@theoffice.net who said "Which year?". imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 13 13:19:24 1999 Message-ID: <000901be3ef6$606d3800$b531883e@i4d4f6> From: "Malcolm Mackenzie" To: "Sam users" Subject: The story so far Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:12:28 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 180 Lines: 4 My appoligies Graham. IT was davykins, who said which year, although I don`t no why he should say that, as I had already told him by phone, (maybe he thought it was funny) M.D.L.M From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 13 13:27:08 1999 Message-ID: <81BDD4ADA85FD11185400000F847E9C2DBF077@nired027.europe.nortel.com> From: "Gavin Smith" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: RE: The story so far Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:21:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 694 Lines: 22 > -----Original Message----- > From: Malcolm Mackenzie [SMTP:malcolm@personahq.freeserve.co.uk] > Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 1:12 PM > To: Sam users > Subject: The story so far > > My appoligies Graham. > IT was davykins, who said which year, although I don`t no why he should say > that, as I had already told him by phone, (maybe he thought it was funny) > M.D.L.M Malcolm, I don't think he meant it as a dig at you! If you had been on this list for a while longer, you would know the amount of discussion there has been about Kaboom! and release dates etc. You can hardly blame him (or any of us) for joking about it. Gavin Smith IMDB Support ESN 3844 External (01232)363844 From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 13 14:55:51 1999 From: "David Laundon" To: "Sam Users" Subject: Testing + Hello again! Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:09:39 -0000 Message-ID: <000101be3efe$5bb55ba0$0304a8c0@eccles.catalyst> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal X-Server: VPOP3 V1.3.0a - Registered to: Steven J. Jeffery X-Organisation: Catalyst Computer Systems Ltd. X-Web: Visit our Web Page at http://www.catalyst-uk.com X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 273 Lines: 8 Hello again! After a few weeks without access to a PC (don't know how I managed it!) I have returned thanks to my kind employers (grovel). So then, this is just a little test to check I've got all my addresses right. David Laundon (Blimey, there's a few Daves on here!) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 13 15:11:41 1999 by mailhost.pemail2.net with SMTP; 13 Jan 1999 15:07:42 -0000 Message-ID: <369CB6AC.B194D70E@pmail.net> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 15:07:24 +0000 From: Martin Fitzpatrick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Gavin Smith Questions, the References: <1156_OASIS_@lhutz.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 483 Lines: 23 James R Curry wrote: > > In E-Mail <+ne6sEAR6$m2EwlU@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk> > Graham Goring wrote:- > > >I didn't say "what year?" at all. That was someone else. > > > >Graham Goring > > You just said it there. > premonitions huh??... will your talents never cease... youll be seeing god in turnips next... or was it tomatoes? (or fish? or sainsburys?) martin -- Email: poohsticks@pmail.net ICQ#: 11077801 AOL/CServeIM: Flupert From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 13 15:27:04 1999 From: Frode Tenneboe Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 16:14:17 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199901131514.QAA02287@asmal.edh.ericsson.se> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Spec. ROM disassembly X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 515 Lines: 13 > On a different point, I figured recently that there must be quite > a lot of SAM techincal info that gets used quite a bit but is hidden > in the murky depths of the technical manual or various disczines, or > nowhere at all, and I was wondering if it would be worth putting together > some sort of SAM quick-reference sheets. Either a short (20 page or > so) A5 book with all the key data, or a number of filofax-size > sheets. What do people think? Four letters: HTML. Or perhaps only three: XML. -Frode :) From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Wed Jan 13 15:38:46 1999 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 15:38:46 +0000 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Spec. ROM disassembly Message-ID: <19990113153846.C8075@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no References: <1155_OASIS_@lhutz.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Andrew Gale on Wed, Jan 13, 1999 at 10:20:20AM +0000 Status: RO Content-Length: 462 Lines: 10 On Wed, Jan 13, 1999 at 10:20:20AM +0000, Andrew Gale wrote: > On a different point, I figured recently that there must be quite > a lot of SAM techincal info that gets used quite a bit but is hidden > in the murky depths of the technical manual or various disczines, or > nowhere at all, and I was wondering if it would be worth putting together > some sort of SAM quick-reference sheets. Years ago I wrote all this information down on 3 sides of A4. :-) imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 13 20:50:18 1999 Message-ID: <001801be3f78$961470e0$985008c3@persona> From: "David" To: Subject: Re: Spec. ROM disassembly Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 04:44:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 260 Lines: 13 From: Andrew Gale To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: 12 January 1999 13:00 Subject: Spec. ROM disassembly >I've got the spectrum ROM disassembly book - does >anyone want it for a fiver? YES! And the book too! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 13 20:50:18 1999 Message-ID: <004101be3f78$f8d9c7c0$985008c3@persona> From: "David" To: Subject: Re: Gavin Smith Questions, the story so far Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 04:47:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 550 Lines: 16 From: Simon Cooke To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: 13 January 1999 01:56 Subject: Re: Gavin Smith Questions, the story so far >If it's just the disk protection that's needed, couldn't Chris and I >just bang together a revamped version of the Lemmings/Parallax >protection, and then it could be distributed with E-Copy which a few >publishers have? > >Si Great idea Simon... but's what's the odds of you or Chris ever getting the time to do so? Espesh taking into the account your SAM-less state! ;) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 13 20:50:18 1999 Message-ID: <004e01be3f79$28d82840$985008c3@persona> From: "David" To: Subject: Re: Spec. ROM disassembly Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 04:48:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 313 Lines: 14 From: Andrew Gale To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: 13 January 1999 10:24 Subject: Re: Spec. ROM disassembly >> Actually, something that is missing from my library... a fiver, you >> say? :) >> > >Yup... if you want it. In that case, I up my bid to 6 quid ;) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 13 22:01:45 1999 Message-ID: <19990113220131.1838.rocketmail@send105.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:01:31 -0800 (PST) From: Mat Harding Subject: Re: Testing + Hello again! To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 396 Lines: 16 Hello, would it be possible for me to change my email address on your list from Matbest@yahoo.com to asdf_9876@yahoo.com This would make it a bit easier for me to separate sam coupe stuff and personal emails. Thanks for the info so far. Regards. Mat Harding. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 14 02:24:32 1999 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 01:42:43 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: Gavin Smith Questions, the story so far References: <004101be3f78$f8d9c7c0$985008c3@persona> In-Reply-To: <004101be3f78$f8d9c7c0$985008c3@persona> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 4.01 <8OHKkEUpoELRXEckwUjJGSM0AF> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1012 Lines: 28 In message <004101be3f78$f8d9c7c0$985008c3@persona>, David writes >From: Simon Cooke >To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no >Date: 13 January 1999 01:56 >Subject: Re: Gavin Smith Questions, the story so far > > >>If it's just the disk protection that's needed, couldn't Chris and I >>just bang together a revamped version of the Lemmings/Parallax >>protection, and then it could be distributed with E-Copy which a few >>publishers have? >> >Great idea Simon... but's what's the odds of you or Chris ever getting the >time to do so? Espesh taking into the account your SAM-less state! ;) > Ah, but it ain't just the protection that needs doing, is it? When last I spoke to Wayne he wasn't exactly chuffed with the AI in the game. That may have changed since, but I dunno... Graham Goring -- /====================================\ | Ber-Limey! There's not even enough | |room to swing a cat in this sodding-| \=========== ICQ: 5333545 ===========/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 14 14:27:33 1999 Message-ID: <000401be3fc7$1ec4ac40$4325883e@i4d4f6> From: "Malcolm Mackenzie" To: Subject: Re: Gavin Smith Questions, the story so far Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 14:04:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 505 Lines: 12 Regarding Kaboom Simon Cooke wrote:- If it's just the disk protection that's needed, couldn't Chris and I just bang together a revamped version of the Lemmings/Parallax protection, and then it could be distributed with E-Copy which a few publishers have? --------------------------------------------- Thereby lies the problem, too many publishers have a copy of E-Copy, and I know of at least three individuals who have had access to the program, two of them are not publishers of SAM software. M.D.L.M From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 14 21:11:57 1999 Message-ID: <19990114210742.17216.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.75] From: "Simon Cooke" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Gavin Smith Questions, the story so far Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 13:07:41 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1141 Lines: 33 >Regarding Kaboom Simon Cooke wrote:- > >If it's just the disk protection that's needed, couldn't Chris and I >just bang together a revamped version of the Lemmings/Parallax >protection, and then it could be distributed with E-Copy which a few >publishers have? >--------------------------------------------- >Thereby lies the problem, too many publishers have a copy of E-Copy, and I >know of at least three individuals who have had access to the program, two >of them are not publishers of SAM software. Who? One of those individuals is myself, another is Chris (we wrote the g'd thing). Wayne has had access (he was working on version 4). Anyone else? Also, it doesn't matter *WHAT* protection you put on it, E-Copy will copy it. There's NO foolproof way to stop someone from copying it. Otherwise, the computer wouldn't be able to read it, would it? All you can do is obfuscate it. *sigh* Maybe I should just release E-Copy and be done with it. It's very handy for copying floppies - not necessarily games. Simon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 14 21:27:13 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19990114210742.17216.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 21:22:46 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Gavin Smith Questions, the story so far X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 991 Lines: 23 At 9:07 pm +0000 14/1/99, Simon Cooke wrote: >Also, it doesn't matter *WHAT* protection you put on it, E-Copy will >copy it. There's NO foolproof way to stop someone from copying it. >Otherwise, the computer wouldn't be able to read it, would it? Precisely true. And of all the sam-users capable of reverse-engineering a protection routine and don't have E-Copy, how many of us do you think could really be bothered? I'd already have written an equivalent of E-Copy myself, if I'd ever thought it would be a productive way to spend my time... As for Kabboom, I should imagine that most people who are interested in the game have already ordered and paid for their copy anyway. Will Persona be upholding Fred's orders? Andrew -- | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he +----------------+-----------------------------+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 15 00:37:10 1999 Message-ID: <19990115003503.16378.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.71] From: "Simon Cooke" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Gavin Smith Questions, the story so far Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 16:35:03 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 958 Lines: 25 >At 9:07 pm +0000 14/1/99, Simon Cooke wrote: > >>Also, it doesn't matter *WHAT* protection you put on it, E-Copy will >>copy it. There's NO foolproof way to stop someone from copying it. >>Otherwise, the computer wouldn't be able to read it, would it? > >Precisely true. And of all the sam-users capable of reverse-engineering a >protection routine and don't have E-Copy, how many of us do you think could >really be bothered? I'd already have written an equivalent of E-Copy >myself, if I'd ever thought it would be a productive way to spend my time... Indeed. After all, E-Copy was only written in the first place as a way to allow FRED Publishing to distribute Parallax (and for me to format the disks so that I could get Parallax on the disk in the first place). Version 2 was written by Chris for Lemmings. *shrugs* Simon (NSFMSFT) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 15 11:28:30 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF598CB9@saturn.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: Hello there Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 11:26:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 323 Lines: 11 Hi gang, After a rather large christmas holiday that was forced upon me by my old company.......I'm BACK! :) I have a new job in a new area of the country with a new email address. So, what's happened in my brief disappearance? SAM still alive? Or have you all killed the poor bugger whilst my back was turned? Justin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 15 13:52:47 1999 Date: Fri, 15 Jan 99 05:05:56 GMT Message-ID: <1158_OASIS_@lhutz.demon.co.uk> From: 8bit@itdoesntsuck.com (James R Curry) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Mailer: OASIS Post Box (Atari) v1.31E Subject: Re: Spec. ROM disassembly X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 798 Lines: 34 In E-Mail <004e01be3f79$28d82840$985008c3@persona> "David" wrote:- >From: Andrew Gale >To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no >Date: 13 January 1999 10:24 >Subject: Re: Spec. ROM disassembly > > >>> Actually, something that is missing from my library... a fiver, you >>> say? :) >>> >> >>Yup... if you want it. > >In that case, I up my bid to 6 quid ;) 7... and as many copies of Leviathan as you want! __ James R Curry - 8bit@itdoesntsuck.com "You're missing the point! The individual doesn't matter. It was a team effort, and I was the one who came up with the whole team idea...me!" - Homer Simpson, The Simpsons. Please insert meaningless promise about The Official James R Curry web page here... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 15 13:52:47 1999 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Spec. ROM disassembly References: <1158_OASIS_@lhutz.demon.co.uk> X-Face: "J~~0'L`GfL^sW4%+i35x#X308)K/$7\]qy)UZ$`k:}Bx]6mgAA^N5,@brn/19TPn%o;j28 W7mD)UN~se8P9\3?wU.g+i9)X Date: 15 Jan 1999 13:40:06 +0000 In-Reply-To: 8bit@itdoesntsuck.com's message of "Fri, 15 Jan 99 05:05:56 GMT" Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.070069 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.69) Emacs/20.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 368 Lines: 14 8bit@itdoesntsuck.com (James R Curry) writes: > >Subject: Re: Spec. ROM disassembly > > > >In that case, I up my bid to 6 quid ;) > > 7... and as many copies of Leviathan as you want! So squabble those who know what it's worth :) Lee. -- I was doing object-oriented assembly at 1 year old ... For some reason my mom insists on calling it "Playing with blocks" From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 15 15:41:42 1999 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 15:03:44 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Cc: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: Hello there References: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF598CB9@saturn.aculab.com> In-Reply-To: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF598CB9@saturn.aculab.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 4.01 <8OHKkEUpoELRXEckwUjJGSM0AF> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 744 Lines: 23 In message <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF598CB9@saturn.aculab.com>, Justin Skists writes >Hi gang, > >After a rather large christmas holiday that was forced upon me by my >old company.......I'm BACK! :) > >I have a new job in a new area of the country with a new email address. > >So, what's happened in my brief disappearance? SAM still alive? Or >have you all killed the poor bugger whilst my back was turned? I didn't notice that he was on the sofa, and unfortunatley I sat down and snapped his spine. The funeral's on Wednesday. ;) Graham Goring -- /====================================\ | Ber-Limey! There's not even enough | |room to swing a cat in this sodding-| \=========== ICQ: 5333545 ===========/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 15 15:54:44 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF598CBB@saturn.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.unit.no'" Subject: RE: Hello there Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 15:56:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 228 Lines: 8 Graham Goring wrote: >I didn't notice that he was on the sofa, and unfortunatley I sat down >and snapped his spine. The funeral's on Wednesday. ;) Bloody typical... I turn my back for one second...................... justin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 15 18:30:34 1999 X-Authentication-Warning: stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk: csuan owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 18:26:43 +0000 (BST) From: Paul Walker To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Gavin Smith Questions, the story so far In-Reply-To: <19990114210742.17216.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 282 Lines: 7 On Thu, 14 Jan 1999, Simon Cooke wrote: > Maybe I should just release E-Copy and be done with it. It's very handy > for copying floppies - not necessarily games. You might as well; security through obscurity is never a good idea, and that's basically all Martin'd be relying on. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 15 19:28:23 1999 Message-ID: <003201be40bc$a7499800$20e9b094@chris> From: "Chris White" To: Subject: Re: Gavin Smith Questions, the story so far Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 19:24:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 593 Lines: 21 BUT I OWN SOLE COPYRIGHT TO E-COPY AND IF ANY SELL I'LL SUE FOR A MILLION %) :o) Chris White -----Original Message----- From: Paul Walker To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: 15 January 1999 18:30 Subject: Re: Gavin Smith Questions, the story so far >On Thu, 14 Jan 1999, Simon Cooke wrote: > >> Maybe I should just release E-Copy and be done with it. It's very handy >> for copying floppies - not necessarily games. > >You might as well; security through obscurity is never a good idea, and >that's basically all Martin'd be relying on. > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 15 21:54:52 1999 Message-ID: <001401be4114$7b292d00$8a5008c3@persona> From: "David" To: Subject: Re: Spec. ROM disassembly Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 05:53:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 428 Lines: 14 From: Lee Willis To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: 15 January 1999 13:53 Subject: Re: Spec. ROM disassembly >8bit@itdoesntsuck.com (James R Curry) writes: > >> >Subject: Re: Spec. ROM disassembly >> >In that case, I up my bid to 6 quid ;) >> 7... and as many copies of Leviathan as you want! >So squabble those who know what it's worth :) And I raise you to 8 quid, and a bananna! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 16 14:29:11 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 14:16:06 +0000 To: "Sam users' mailing list" From: Andrew Collier Subject: Hurrah! X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 548 Lines: 19 It's great - I've finally got myself a PSU which actually works properly! For the first time in about a year, my Sam can actually display its screen in . . . wait for it . . . colour! Unless it's connected to the greenscreen, that is :) Ah yes, there's life in it yet... Andrew -- | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he +----------------+-----------------------------+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 16 15:18:31 1999 Message-ID: <36A0AC76.D04A170@purple.dircon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 15:12:55 +0000 From: Gavin Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Hurrah! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 667 Lines: 21 Andrew Collier wrote: > > It's great - I've finally got myself a PSU which actually works properly! > For the first time in about a year, my Sam can actually display its screen > in > > . . . wait for it . . . > > colour! Unless it's connected to the greenscreen, that is :) > > Ah yes, there's life in it yet... > > Andrew You mean such a thing exists? I got severely pissed off with my SAM a few weeks ago cos my power pack (the fourth or fifth of the bastards that I've had), just buzzed so loudly and went out of tune so often that it was unbearable. I've ordered a SCART lead now so I'll just have to find a pair of ear plugs to avoid the buzz. Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 16 15:47:48 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <36A0AC76.D04A170@purple.dircon.co.uk> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 15:35:24 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Hurrah! X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1314 Lines: 29 >Andrew Collier wrote: >> It's great - I've finally got myself a PSU which actually works properly! >You mean such a thing exists? I got severely pissed off with my SAM a >few weeks ago cos my power pack (the fourth or fifth of the bastards >that I've had), just buzzed so loudly and went out of tune so often that >it was unbearable. I've ordered a SCART lead now so I'll just have to >find a pair of ear plugs to avoid the buzz. Yup - I seem to have been through my fair share of power supplies too... the weakest part of Sam's engineering, IMHO. They usually die when I'm in the middle of something important... This new one's from Greenweld, who are now selling them for 3 quid each; a few friends and I just ordered a big box of various things (two waterproof speakers, five phono plugs, thirty cardboard triangles etc etc) so I included three sam PSUs because postage is a flat rate. One of their boxes was a bit bashed, but the other two are fine - and the one I'm using now is probably the quietest PSU I've had yet! Sorry Gavin... Andrew -- | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he +----------------+-----------------------------+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 16 16:37:51 1999 From: The Mad Goose Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 16:22:12 GMT+0 Subject: Re: Gavin Smith questions X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 550 Lines: 19 > On Mon, 11 Jan 1999 21:46:51 +0100 Tue, 12 Jan 99 12:26:00 GMT, > "Robert van der Veeke" wrote: > > >Who the hell is Frank Broughton, is he something like Kevin Smythe? > >:) > > Must be some kind of Howard Hughes - that's if he does exist? > I'm led to believe he's Bob's brother-in-law or something like that. Revelation was set up as an off-shoot of Format. Correct me if I'm wrong? Peace, Love, Kisses... JohnnaPig Teare JPOL: http://www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 16 19:44:40 1999 X-Authentication-Warning: scatterbrain.dcs.warwick.ac.uk: csuan owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 19:42:29 +0000 (BST) From: Paul Walker To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Gavin Smith Questions, the story so far In-Reply-To: <003201be40bc$a7499800$20e9b094@chris> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 178 Lines: 5 On Fri, 15 Jan 1999, Chris White wrote: > BUT I OWN SOLE COPYRIGHT TO E-COPY AND IF ANY SELL I'LL SUE FOR A MILLION That's okay, Simon didn't say anything about selling it. ;) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 16 19:55:50 1999 Message-ID: <36A0EE32.CCA7817F@purple.dircon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 19:53:23 +0000 From: Gavin Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Gavin Smith questions References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 969 Lines: 32 The Mad Goose wrote: > > > On Mon, 11 Jan 1999 21:46:51 +0100 Tue, 12 Jan 99 12:26:00 GMT, > > "Robert van der Veeke" wrote: > > > > >Who the hell is Frank Broughton, is he something like Kevin Smythe? > > >:) > > > > Must be some kind of Howard Hughes - that's if he does exist? > > > > I'm led to believe he's Bob's brother-in-law or something like that. > Revelation was set up as an off-shoot of Format. > > Correct me if I'm wrong? > > > Peace, Love, Kisses... > JohnnaPig Teare My New Year's Resolutions: 1. Don't fight with girlfriend so much (failed) 2. Don't each so much junk food (failed) 3. Get to bed at a decent hour (failed) 4. Take more exercise (failed) 5. Don't get involved in fights on the SAM Mailing list...(so far I'm doing okay, but just don't get me started on Format, Bob, Frank Broughton and all that bollocks :) BOB YOU OWE ME MONEY - THREE YEARS NOW MATE! I WON'T FORGET! :) Damn, all resolutions failed :( Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 16 20:15:29 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <36A0EE32.CCA7817F@purple.dircon.co.uk> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 20:04:47 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Gavin Smith questions X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 408 Lines: 16 At 7:53 pm +0000 16/1/99, Gavin Smith wrote: >Damn, all resolutions failed :( Wouldn't be a problem if you'd just stick to 256x192. :) Andrew -- | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he +----------------+-----------------------------+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jan 17 00:52:14 1999 From: tolchock@bigfoot.com To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Hurrah! Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 07:54:22 GMT Message-ID: <36a14043.723891@relay.clara.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 420 Lines: 15 On Sat, 16 Jan 1999 14:16:06 +0000 Sun, 17 Jan 99 00:24:05 GMT, Andrew Collier wrote: >It's great - I've finally got myself a PSU which actually works properly! >For the first time in about a year, my Sam can actually display its screen >in big deal, I've just got a Voodoo II, which goes nicely with my 8mb AGP card. 20Mb of graphics in all! :-) Unreal & Half-Life never looked so good. :-) Dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jan 17 00:57:45 1999 Message-ID: <000801be41f7$44768c60$ac5008c3@persona> From: "David" To: Subject: Re: Hurrah! Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 08:56:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 661 Lines: 26 If it cost more than 62 quid plus vat you where ripped off. -----Original Message----- From: tolchock@bigfoot.com To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: 17 January 1999 00:52 Subject: Re: Hurrah! On Sat, 16 Jan 1999 14:16:06 +0000 Sun, 17 Jan 99 00:24:05 GMT, Andrew Collier wrote: >It's great - I've finally got myself a PSU which actually works properly! >For the first time in about a year, my Sam can actually display its screen >in big deal, I've just got a Voodoo II, which goes nicely with my 8mb AGP card. 20Mb of graphics in all! :-) Unreal & Half-Life never looked so good. :-) Dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jan 17 01:18:47 1999 Message-ID: <001201be41fa$687b67e0$ac5008c3@persona> From: "David" To: Subject: Re: Hurrah! Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 09:18:54 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 593 Lines: 23 From: Andrew Collier To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: 16 January 1999 15:47 Subject: Re: Hurrah! >>Andrew Collier wrote: >>> It's great - I've finally got myself a PSU which actually works properly! Well done! Does this mean to say you'll be doing the odd spot of coding from time to time now? >This new one's from Greenweld, who are now selling them for 3 quid each; a Yes peeps, if you want to buy a nice cheap PSU ... don't forget about Greenweld who have a nice line in these PSU's... which I've heard have a great success rate. Nice work From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jan 17 15:54:46 1999 Message-ID: <008e01be4231$38047700$4ae8b094@chris> From: "Chris White" To: Subject: Re: Gavin Smith Questions, the story so far Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 15:51:15 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 377 Lines: 16 >On Fri, 15 Jan 1999, Chris White wrote: > >> BUT I OWN SOLE COPYRIGHT TO E-COPY AND IF ANY SELL I'LL SUE FOR A MILLION > >That's okay, Simon didn't say anything about selling it. ;) > > OKAY IF ANYONE USES E-COPY WITHOUT MY CONSENT IS IN VIOLATION OF MY RIGHTS AS A PUBLISHER AND VERY SOON A LIMITED COMPANY , HA CHRIS J. WHITE LIMITED IS BEING REGISTERED AS I TYPE? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jan 17 17:32:21 1999 From: tolchock@bigfoot.com To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Hurrah! Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 17:29:14 GMT Message-ID: <36a1cc22.12958027@relay.clara.net> References: <000801be41f7$44768c60$ac5008c3@persona> In-Reply-To: <000801be41f7$44768c60$ac5008c3@persona> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 238 Lines: 8 On Sun, 17 Jan 1999 08:56:25 -0000 Sun, 17 Jan 99 17:28:13 GMT, "David" wrote: >If it cost more than 62 quid plus vat you where ripped off. It didn't, I got it 'trade'. Thanks for the concern anyway. :-) Dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jan 17 18:56:24 1999 17 Jan 99 18:53:06 BST From: "Matthew Craven" Organization: Umist To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 18:52:54 BST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Gavin Smith questions In-reply-to: <000a01be3ae5$8b90d880$a45008c3@persona> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.52) Message-ID: <10CA1EB1634@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 83 Lines: 5 Hi Guys, I've forgotten how to unsub! Can anyone tell me how (yet again?!?) MJC. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 18 09:35:43 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF598CBD@saturn.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.unit.no'" Subject: RE: Gavin Smith questions Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 09:26:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 468 Lines: 15 > > >Who the hell is Frank Broughton, is he something like Kevin Smythe? > > >:) > > > > Must be some kind of Howard Hughes - that's if he does exist? > > > > I'm led to believe he's Bob's brother-in-law or something like that. > Oh God... You mean all that beer I had over christmas DIDN'T stop the Bob/Bill/Samsboss trinity? In fact, it's increased?????? BTW, I don't make New Year's Resolutions. I make New year's Promises (ie, Get fit by the end of the year) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 18 11:45:22 1999 18 Jan 99 11:40:32 BST From: "Matthew Craven" Organization: Umist To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 11:40:07 BST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: BIG MESSAGE X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <11D6BA246E9@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 124 Lines: 5 Forgive the title - that was just to make people take some notice. Can somebody tell me how to unsub from this list? MJC. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 18 11:50:39 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF598CC0@saturn.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.unit.no'" Subject: RE: BIG MESSAGE Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 11:50:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 577 Lines: 23 >Forgive the title - that was just to make people take some notice. > >Can somebody tell me how to unsub from this list? > >MJC. Why would you want to unsub? Surely I haven't upset someone already? I've only been resubbed 5 minutes.... (ok, since Friday) Here's the quote from the SamUsers welcome file: start quote>>>>>> Please save this message for future reference. Thank you. If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, send the following command in email to : unsubscribe <<<<< Organization: Umist To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 11:50:07 BST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: BIG MESSAGE X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <11D95E54E1F@fs1.ma.umist.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 503 Lines: 21 > Why would you want to unsub? Surely I haven't upset someone > already? I've only been resubbed 5 minutes.... (ok, since Friday) > > Here's the quote from the SamUsers welcome file: > > start quote>>>>>> > Please save this message for future reference. Thank you. > > If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, > send the following command in email to > : > > unsubscribe > <<<<< > Hope this helps, > Justin. Thanks Justin. MJC. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 18 15:28:31 1999 Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 15:25:09 +0000 (BST) From: Dave Hooper To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Hurrah! In-Reply-To: <36a14043.723891@relay.clara.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 430 Lines: 14 > big deal, I've just got a Voodoo II, which goes nicely with my 8mb AGP > card. 20Mb of graphics in all! :-) you do realise that your system only uses one card at a time? so you've really only got 12 Mb of graphics at a time? i just don't see the point of having a 12 Mb VDII and an 8Mb AGP card; why not just get a combined card like a voodoo banshee, or a matrox g200, or a Riva TNT? ** cheaper ** and just as good. dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 18 21:37:49 1999 Message-ID: <001901be436d$a76a2440$a05008c3@persona> From: "David" To: Subject: Re: Hurrah! Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 05:36:23 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1268 Lines: 45 From: Dave Hooper To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: 18 January 1999 15:28 Subject: Re: Hurrah! > >> big deal, I've just got a Voodoo II, which goes nicely with my 8mb AGP >> card. 20Mb of graphics in all! :-) > >you do realise that your system only uses one card at a time? so you've >really only got 12 Mb of graphics at a time? It actually depends on the software... If you've a good 2D 8Mb AGP card, then any decent software can use the Voodoo for additional support. Or, of course, you could use the SLI link with a twin Voodoo combination ... Which is a hell of a lot better. >i just don't see the point of having a 12 Mb VDII and an 8Mb AGP card; why >not just get a combined card like a voodoo banshee, or a matrox g200, or a >Riva TNT? Weelll... even tho' I've got a Banshee..... I still think a decent 2D card and the Voodoo2 is a damn site better (I went for the banshee on cost...) The TNT's not a bad alternative - I'd recomend the ASUS TNT which walks over the Creative Labs and Diamond TNT cards.... >** cheaper ** and just as good. > >dave Ahem! More SAM related topics me thinks? Who's got a least pathetic score than me on Stratosphere? Level 3? David PS: PC hardware? Email me for quotations! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 18 21:40:03 1999 Message-ID: <19990118213733.4746.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.77] From: "Simon Cooke" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Z80 Assembler Studio Update Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 13:37:32 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 920 Lines: 25 Okay folks, here goes: The color-highlighting editor and most of the parsing stuff is done. It's slightly flickery, but on a Gateway G6-200, the performance is respectable (it's written in WFC and Java, folks). You can plug in new AssemblerDialect objects as well, to change the assembly language you're going for. It's not syntax aware (yet), so it won't tell you if you've screwed up syntax. A version of the editor (still needs lots of work, so bear with me) will be up on ftp://jumper.org.uk/pub/simonc/AssemblerStudio soon. You'll need the latest MS Java SDK (which you can download from http://www.microsoft.com/java) to get this to run. Oh, and it's Windows only. (Sorry Andrew) The program is ~ 60k... the Java SDK is ~ 6Mb. So you can see why I'm not packaging them together yet ;) Si ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 18 22:56:14 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19990118213733.4746.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 22:53:35 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Z80 Assembler Studio Update X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 442 Lines: 16 At 9:37 pm +0000 18/1/99, Simon Cooke wrote: >Oh, and it's Windows >only. > >(Sorry Andrew) Do you know - I once heard a scurrilous rumour that Java was cross-platform... Andrew -- | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he +----------------+-----------------------------+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 18 23:39:43 1999 Message-ID: <36A3C5A9.CAAC9CDC@purple.dircon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 23:37:14 +0000 From: Gavin Smith Organization: gavinsmith@purple.dircon.co.uk X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Z80 Assembler Studio Update References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 552 Lines: 17 Andrew Collier wrote: > > At 9:37 pm +0000 18/1/99, Simon Cooke wrote: > >Oh, and it's Windows > >only. > > > >(Sorry Andrew) > > Do you know - I once heard a scurrilous rumour that Java was cross-platform... > > Andrew I think I remember hearing that rumour too Andrew - of course Bill Gates and his evil followers (that includes you Simon!) decided differently. But that's okay, Andrew, we don't need Microshaft Java. *pats his iMac* ;) (BTW Andrew, I take it you read the Microsoft email in which an MS executive talks about "pissing on Java"?) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 18 23:46:04 1999 Message-ID: <19990118235014.4887.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.76] From: "Simon Cooke" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Z80 Assembler Studio Update Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 15:50:14 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 749 Lines: 23 >At 9:37 pm +0000 18/1/99, Simon Cooke wrote: >>Oh, and it's Windows >>only. >> >>(Sorry Andrew) > >Do you know - I once heard a scurrilous rumour that Java was cross-platform... Not if you're writing WFC code - which lets you write Windows code direct, and has lots of optimisation for the Windows system libraries. Basically, it lets you get near C++ performance from Java code. Disadvantage: WFC is Windows only. However, the actual assembler part (when finished) will be pure Java. Though getting it to actually work at the byte level will be an interesting challenge. I may have to end up programming that in C still. Simon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 18 23:55:28 1999 Message-ID: <19990118235838.25186.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.76] From: "Simon Cooke" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Z80 Assembler Studio Update Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 15:58:38 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1841 Lines: 57 >> Okay folks, here goes: >> The color-highlighting editor and most of the parsing stuff is done. >> It's slightly flickery, but on a Gateway G6-200, the performance is >> respectable (it's written in WFC and Java, folks). > >Sorry, I've missed a lot of this conversation I think. What exactly is >this? It sounds extremely interesting! Basically, I'm working on a multi-processor assembly language IDE. The idea being that I'll put together something that'll let you hook a debugger into a Win32 port of SIM Coupe, and you'll be able to program SAM stuff for it. It'll have Macros, a linker, and the new design (which I've been talking to Allan about while he's been here) will let you define functional blocks - which the runtime will automatically page in for you. There'll also be some cool stuff - like MULT macros (MULTC for call, MULT for inline, etc etc). Sample code: INCLUDE DEFMACRO pushall PUSH AF PUSH BC PUSH DE PUSH HL ENDMACRO DEFMACRO popall POP HL POP DE POP BC POP AF ENDMACRO BEGINBLOCK NAME="$$SAMRuntime" SIZE=0x4000 PAGE=INTERNAL,ALLOC ALIGN=0 IMPORT "$$DOS","$$Curses" labelpack: EXTERN ORG 32768 DISP 32768 MACRO pushall RST 0 MACRO popall EI RET ALIGN 8 DM "This is aligned on an 8 byte boundary" ENDBLOCK At the moment, only Z80 support is planned. But that's good enough for the Speccy and the SAM. Other platforms may come later :) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 19 00:46:31 1999 Message-ID: <001201be4388$2f24b2a0$825008c3@persona> From: "David" To: Subject: Re: Hurrah! Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 08:46:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1271 Lines: 46 From: Dave Hooper To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: 18 January 1999 15:28 Subject: Re: Hurrah! > > > >> big deal, I've just got a Voodoo II, which goes nicely with my 8mb AGP >> card. 20Mb of graphics in all! :-) > >you do realise that your system only uses one card at a time? so you've >really only got 12 Mb of graphics at a time? It actually depends on the software... If you've a good 2D 8Mb AGP card, then any decent software can use the Voodoo for additional support. Or, of course, you could use the SLI link with a twin Voodoo combination ... Which is a hell of a lot better. >i just don't see the point of having a 12 Mb VDII and an 8Mb AGP card; why >not just get a combined card like a voodoo banshee, or a matrox g200, or a >Riva TNT? Weelll... even tho' I've got a Banshee..... I still think a decent 2D card and the Voodoo2 is a damn site better (I went for the banshee on cost...) The TNT's not a bad alternative - I'd recomend the ASUS TNT which walks over the Creative Labs and Diamond TNT cards.... >** cheaper ** and just as good. > >dave Ahem! More SAM related topics me thinks? Who's got a least pathetic score than me on Stratosphere? Level 3? David PS: PC hardware? Email me for quotations! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 19 00:53:42 1999 Message-ID: <002b01be4389$28bce080$825008c3@persona> From: "David" To: Subject: Re: Hurrah! Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 08:53:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 237 Lines: 8 From: David To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: 19 January 1999 00:46 Subject: Re: Hurrah! >PS: PC hardware? Email me for quotations! Hey, I've got to get the odd brownie points somehow ;) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 19 01:00:44 1999 Message-ID: <19990119005737.29271.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.74] From: "Simon Cooke" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Z80 Assembler Studio Update Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 16:57:37 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1099 Lines: 37 >> At 9:37 pm +0000 18/1/99, Simon Cooke wrote: >> >Oh, and it's Windows >> >only. >> > >> >(Sorry Andrew) >> >> Do you know - I once heard a scurrilous rumour that Java was cross-platform... >> >> Andrew > >I think I remember hearing that rumour too Andrew - of course Bill Gates >and his evil followers (that includes you Simon!) decided differently. >But that's okay, Andrew, we don't need Microshaft Java. *pats his iMac* ;) >(BTW Andrew, I take it you read the Microsoft email in which an MS >executive talks about "pissing on Java"?) > Hmmm... funny... Apple uses J/Direct in its JVM!!! :) I take it you know the context that "pissing on" was used - as in, doing it so well that it pisses all over them. Besides, the assembler & linker will be in either plain ol' Java, or C. Only the IDE requires WFC. Also, SIMCoupe Win32 will use WFC as its UI, and everything else will be in DLL's which it calls. 's faster to write it that way. Simon (Not Speaking For MicroSoFT) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 19 01:24:18 1999 From: tolchock@bigfoot.com To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Hurrah! Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 01:19:10 GMT Message-ID: <36a47fef.9772105@relay.clara.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 476 Lines: 16 On Mon, 18 Jan 1999 15:25:09 +0000 (BST) Mon, 18 Jan 99 18:32:56 GMT, Dave Hooper wrote: > >> big deal, I've just got a Voodoo II, which goes nicely with my 8mb AGP >> card. 20Mb of graphics in all! :-) > >you do realise that your system only uses one card at a time? so you've >really only got 12 Mb of graphics at a time? Yeah, though I'm doing a fair bit of trading, so there's no saying how long both cards will stay in the same machine. TTFN Dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 19 03:55:21 1999 Message-ID: <19990119035313.23916.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.73] From: "Simon Cooke" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Z80 Assembler Studio Update Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 19:53:11 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 903 Lines: 26 Oh yeah... bit more info. With part 1 of the SAM ROM source loaded into it (401K of data, 14681 lines), it's quite happy, and still keeps its speed nicely up (in fact, I can't see a difference; you would on a 486 though, I'm betting). Memory footprint: 10Mb, including the system libraries. As DevStudio is running, I don't know what's mine, and what's DevStudio's. The thing is, it does have 401K of data in memory, in Unicode, which makes it 802K, with extra markup data, which means you can probably multiply that by a factor of 2 because each line's small... so make that 1602K. Ouch. If people complain about performance, I may fix it - if not, there's no point. So on the whole I'm very happy with this stuff :) Heck, who need profiling when you're coding for fun :) Si ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Tue Jan 19 10:58:28 1999 Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:58:28 +0000 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Z80 Assembler Studio Update Message-ID: <19990119105826.A20573@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no References: <19990118235014.4887.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <19990118235014.4887.qmail@hotmail.com>; from Simon Cooke on Mon, Jan 18, 1999 at 03:50:14PM -0800 Status: RO Content-Length: 871 Lines: 21 Simon, your mail client is not generating "In-Reply-To" or "References" headers. I know this now that I have a threading mail reader... On Mon, Jan 18, 1999 at 03:50:14PM -0800, Simon Cooke wrote: > >>(Sorry Andrew) > >Do you know - I once heard a scurrilous rumour that Java was > cross-platform... > Not if you're writing WFC code - which lets you write Windows code > direct, and has lots of optimisation for the Windows system libraries. Then what the hell is the point of writing it in Java? Java is a monstrosity¹ whose only advantage is that it is cross-platform. imc ¹ As you said, the Windows SDK is 6MB. So is the Linux JDK (the compressed tarball, that is). Netscape takes about ten minutes to start up when it finds an applet on a web page. It isn't even a particularly nice language (though see NetRexx at http://rexx.hursley.ibm.com/netrexx/). From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 19 11:10:30 1999 Message-ID: <001101be439b$a92022c0$1b27883e@i4d4f6> From: "Malcolm Mackenzie" To: "Sam users" Subject: Sam power units. Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:05:41 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 69 Lines: 3 Unfortunately, Greenweld have no more Sam power units left. M.D.L.M From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 19 11:10:36 1999 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Z80 Assembler Studio Update References: <19990118235014.4887.qmail@hotmail.com> <19990119105826.A20573@comlab.ox.ac.uk> X-Face: "J~~0'L`GfL^sW4%+i35x#X308)K/$7\]qy)UZ$`k:}Bx]6mgAA^N5,@brn/19TPn%o;j28 W7mD)UN~se8P9\3?wU.g+i9)X Date: 19 Jan 1999 11:05:36 +0000 In-Reply-To: Ian Collier's message of "Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:58:29 +0000" Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.070071 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.71) Emacs/20.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 486 Lines: 14 Ian Collier writes: > Simon, your mail client is not generating "In-Reply-To" or "References" > headers. I know this now that I have a threading mail reader... {Giggle} At last I'm not the only one :) Besides you mean Mutt doesn't/can't make educated guesses based on subject line .... Tsk, Gnus is the way forward :) Lee. -- I was doing object-oriented assembly at 1 year old ... For some reason my mom insists on calling it "Playing with blocks" From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Tue Jan 19 11:15:36 1999 Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:15:36 +0000 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Z80 Assembler Studio Update Message-ID: <19990119111535.B20573@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no References: <19990118235014.4887.qmail@hotmail.com> <19990119105826.A20573@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Lee Willis on Tue, Jan 19, 1999 at 11:05:36AM +0000 Status: RO Content-Length: 286 Lines: 8 On Tue, Jan 19, 1999 at 11:05:36AM +0000, Lee Willis wrote: > Besides you mean Mutt doesn't/can't make educated guesses based on > subject line .... Tsk, Gnus is the way forward :) Yes it can but I have that turned off because of the large amount of ancient mail in my inbox. :-) imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 19 11:44:03 1999 Message-ID: <81BDD4ADA85FD11185400000F847E9C2E064A0@nired027.europe.nortel.com> From: "Gavin Smith" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: RE: Sam power units. Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:30:38 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 642 Lines: 17 > -----Original Message----- > From: Malcolm Mackenzie [SMTP:malcolm@personahq.freeserve.co.uk] > Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 1999 11:06 AM > To: Sam users > Subject: Sam power units. > > Unfortunately, Greenweld have no more Sam power units left. > > M.D.L.M Shit, I've heard about Greenweld so many times over the years, even enquired about the PSU's once, but never bothered to order any, and then as soon as I decide to order a few (I mailed them yesterday), they have none left. Okay, I'm looking for an extremely quiet SAM power supply (doesn't matter if the TV modulator is crap/non-existent) for a few quid - anyone? :) Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 19 11:44:04 1999 X-Authentication-Warning: naughty.dcs.warwick.ac.uk: csuan owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:38:55 +0000 (BST) From: Paul Walker To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Z80 Assembler Studio Update In-Reply-To: <19990119035313.23916.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 424 Lines: 10 On Mon, 18 Jan 1999, Simon Cooke wrote: > multiply that by a factor of 2 because each line's small... so make that > 1602K. > If people complain about performance, I may fix it - if not, there's no I don't care about that (lots of memory free, even under Windows). The fact that I can't just use the Java JDK I've already got is bloody annoying, though, and means that I probably won't bother trying the program. Sorry. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 19 12:07:02 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF598CCD@saturn.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.unit.no'" Subject: It's nice to be back (Was: Sam power units) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 12:07:28 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1065 Lines: 33 Gavin wrote: > Shit, I've heard about Greenweld so many times over the years, even >enquired about the PSU's once, but never bothered to order any, and then as >soon as I decide to order a few (I mailed them yesterday), they have none >left. Okay, I'm looking for an extremely quiet SAM power supply (doesn't >matter if the TV modulator is crap/non-existent) for a few quid - anyone? :) Typical eh? :) Personally, my PSU's noisey until I kick it a few times. My guess is that the rattling noise is caused by this screw that seems to have its thread on the casing stripped somehow... Haven't bothered to "fix" it yet. One question: When's the next Blitz issue out???? Question two: I've been back on the list 5 days and I have not heard a THING from Big Bob, Samsboss or Mr. Ritman... What's happened???? Question 3: Who's actually on this list now-a-days??? Q4 (nearly there): Anyone know Jared's email address (The guy who developped the QED CP/M thing)? I lost all my addresses in my forced job move... :( That'll do.. Justin. PS. It's nice to be back. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 19 12:10:05 1999 Subject: Re: Sam power units. To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:51:49 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <81BDD4ADA85FD11185400000F847E9C2E064A0@nired027.europe.nortel.com> from "Gavin Smith" at Jan 19, 99 11:30:38 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Gale X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 931 Lines: 17 > Shit, I've heard about Greenweld so many times over the years, even > enquired about the PSU's once, but never bothered to order any, and then as > soon as I decide to order a few (I mailed them yesterday), they have none > left. Okay, I'm looking for an extremely quiet SAM power supply (doesn't > matter if the TV modulator is crap/non-existent) for a few quid - anyone? :) > Since the only component on the SAM board that uses the 12v supply is the MC1377P (the PAL colour encoder), then (if you are using a monitor with RGB connections, or a monochrome monitor with a composite video connection) you could try and hunt down a 5v power supply. There must be loads of decent 5v supplies available. Lots of people have suffered lack-of-colour when their 12v line has failed, and found that it works when they get a new psu, so I don't suppose that the MC1377P will be damaged by not feeding it with its 12v supply.... Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 19 12:35:18 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <81BDD4ADA85FD11185400000F847E9C2E064A0@nired027.europe.nortel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 12:26:26 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: RE: Sam power units. X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1537 Lines: 34 > > Unfortunately, Greenweld have no more Sam power units left. Seriously? Wow, I'm glad I bought mine when I did! Maybe West Coast have bought a job lot and will keep selling them for twenty-five quid..... > Shit, I've heard about Greenweld so many times over the years, even >enquired about the PSU's once, but never bothered to order any, and then as >soon as I decide to order a few (I mailed them yesterday), they have none >left. Okay, I'm looking for an extremely quiet SAM power supply (doesn't >matter if the TV modulator is crap/non-existent) for a few quid - anyone? :) Well I did buy three, but I'd rather not sell the two I'm not using yet because they're my insurance for the future; on past experience I'll be needing them before too long! However, I can give you my previous one for the cost of postage - it's fairly quiet but there is something VERY odd about it which I can't easily diagnose (which is why I replaced it in the first place.) When my Sam is plugged into that PSU, the UHF signal is in black and white, and even the composite SCART signal is degraded to such an extent that my greenscreen monitor can't sync properly (makes typing a right pain, I can tell you). The problems might go away just by removing the modulator circuit. Andrew -- | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he +----------------+-----------------------------+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Tue Jan 19 12:42:53 1999 Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 12:42:53 +0000 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam power units. Message-ID: <19990119124252.C20573@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no References: <81BDD4ADA85FD11185400000F847E9C2E064A0@nired027.europe.nortel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Andrew Collier on Tue, Jan 19, 1999 at 12:26:26PM +0000 Status: RO Content-Length: 93 Lines: 4 BTW, have you tried opening the PSU and making sure everything is screwed down tightly? imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 19 12:56:03 1999 Message-ID: <81BDD4ADA85FD11185400000F847E9C2E064BC@nired027.europe.nortel.com> From: "Gavin Smith" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: RE: Sam power units. Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 12:51:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 848 Lines: 21 > -----Original Message----- > From: Ian Collier [SMTP:Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk] > Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 1999 12:43 PM > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Subject: Re: Sam power units. > > BTW, have you tried opening the PSU and making sure everything is screwed > down tightly? Yeah, done that, tried everything. I've even tried balancing the thing at different angles - I've discovered if I balance it on it's front right edge, at a 45 degree angle to the floor, propped against the wall, it's at its quietest :) But even then it buzzes like crazy before long. Unrelated - anyone have any Coupes for sale? 512k, doesn't matter about the ROM, but must be before WCC/Format/Bob's era. Looking for one in mint condition, with original box as a kind of collector's item (I've decided I've collected enough Speccys - 9 in all now :) Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 19 13:19:19 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF598CCF@saturn.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.unit.no'" Subject: RE: Z80 Assembler Studio Update Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 13:19:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 485 Lines: 8 >But this steamrollering of Java is something which does bug me quite a bit. >When it gets to the point when programmers think absolutely nothing of >writing single platform code, then the entire point of Java, its raison >d'etre, is totally nullified. Keeping the name Java implies some attempt at >cross platform compatability - what a joke. Now it's just one step away >from being yet another acquisition for the Win32 platform. Didn't people do this with BASIC? Circle of life... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 19 13:19:24 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19990118235014.4887.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 13:06:09 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Z80 Assembler Studio Update X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1838 Lines: 44 >>At 9:37 pm +0000 18/1/99, Simon Cooke wrote: >>>Oh, and it's Windows only. >>>(Sorry Andrew) >>Do you know - I once heard a scurrilous rumour that Java was >cross-platform... >Not if you're writing WFC code - which lets you write Windows code >direct, and has lots of optimisation for the Windows system libraries. It's not exactly Java then, is it. >Basically, it lets you get near C++ performance from Java code. Why has noone written a Java compiler? Not a JIT, but a real compiler which will produce executables. You can optimise that as much as you like for a particular system and there's no need to change the language. For any other platform without that compiler, you can still distribute bytecode as before. >Disadvantage: WFC is Windows only. If you don't care about uniplatformularity, and you want C++ performance why not just write C++? Look, I don't have an obsessive dislike of Microsoft. I even use Internet Explorer myself, because it's better than Netscape. Microsoft recently seem to have hired a few people who actually know something about MacOS... But this steamrollering of Java is something which does bug me quite a bit. When it gets to the point when programmers think absolutely nothing of writing single platform code, then the entire point of Java, its raison d'etre, is totally nullified. Keeping the name Java implies some attempt at cross platform compatability - what a joke. Now it's just one step away from being yet another acquisition for the Win32 platform. Anyway we're way off-topic here... comp.lang.java.advocacy? Andrew -- | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he +----------------+-----------------------------+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 19 13:29:00 1999 Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 13:24:48 +0000 (BST) From: Dave Hooper To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: RE: Sam power units. In-Reply-To: <81BDD4ADA85FD11185400000F847E9C2E064BC@nired027.europe.nortel.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 850 Lines: 19 > Unrelated - anyone have any Coupes for sale? 512k, doesn't matter > about the ROM, but must be before WCC/Format/Bob's era. Looking for one in > mint condition, with original box as a kind of collector's item (I've > decided I've collected enough Speccys - 9 in all now :) considering it... but it's my only one (sniff). I don't use it and i don't think i'm ever going to use it again but, y'know, i might keep it, i might sell it. original box, but battered. and i think the MGT logo got rubbed off the casing. and the plastic feet are hand-painted a flaky black. when it becomes a question of nostalgia vs. storage space i guess it'll go. but if there's a chance that old 8-bitters will become valuable antiques one day i might as well hang onto it (though it's hardly mint). how much is a rubber-keyer with a DIY reset switch worth? dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 19 14:35:06 1999 Message-ID: <36A49190.488C671E@earthling.net> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 14:07:12 +0000 From: Andrew Gallagher Organization: QUB X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SAM mailing list Subject: wanted: spectrum +2 cheap Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 675 Lines: 17 I just switched my old 48K+ on the other day - it bleeped concerningly and the screen gave weird characters. I think something has become fried but can't think how. I suspect it has just taken too much abuse and given up the ghost. (I hope the Messenger interface which was plugged in at the time is OK) Does anyone know where I could get a 128K+2 (grey) and power supply cheap? No other accessories necessary, but in good working order... I remember there used to be adverts in Format for a warehouse which had old Sinclair stuff but I haven't seen them in years. Anyone know what happened to them? -- Andrew Gallagher http://members.tripod.com/~AndrewGallagher/id.html From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 19 15:09:00 1999 From: Frode Tenneboe Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 16:05:28 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199901191505.QAA13461@asmal.edh.ericsson.se> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: wanted: spectrum +2 cheap X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 510 Lines: 11 > I just switched my old 48K+ on the other day - it bleeped concerningly > and the screen gave weird characters. I think something has become fried > but can't think how. I suspect it has just taken too much abuse and > given up the ghost. (I hope the Messenger interface which was plugged in > at the time is OK) This is most likely due to a broken ULA or 7805 (regulator). Any decent repairshopt should be able to repair the regulator. The ULA is more difficult. Perhaps a post to c.s.s will help? -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 19 15:56:28 1999 From: The Mad Goose Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 15:39:30 GMT+0 Subject: Re: Sam power units. X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <123791954CE@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 531 Lines: 17 > Unfortunately, Greenweld have no more Sam power units left. > > M.D.L.M > Which means that when mine finally blows (which in inevitably will) then my SAM will be going in the bin. Unless someone has bought a nice supply of them up and will flog one for about a fiver. Johnna - a man who won't waste stlg25 on a FORMAT PSU when he's never had any bother with the ones Greenweld supply... Peace, Love, Kisses... JohnnaPig Teare JPOL: http://www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 19 16:08:47 1999 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam power units. References: <123791954CE@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> X-Face: "J~~0'L`GfL^sW4%+i35x#X308)K/$7\]qy)UZ$`k:}Bx]6mgAA^N5,@brn/19TPn%o;j28 W7mD)UN~se8P9\3?wU.g+i9)X Date: 19 Jan 1999 15:58:47 +0000 In-Reply-To: The Mad Goose's message of "Tue, 19 Jan 1999 15:39:30 GMT+0" Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.070069 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.69) Emacs/20.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 560 Lines: 18 The Mad Goose writes: > Johnna - a man who won't waste stlg25 on a FORMAT PSU when he's never > had any bother with the ones Greenweld supply... s/ly/lied/ {Grins} Oh, though I do agree that 25 squid is a bit much, but hey my SAM's been stashed away under convenient cupboards/tables for the past four years and at the moment is making an over expensive doorstop .. oh well :) Maybe someday ... Lee. -- I was doing object-oriented assembly at 1 year old ... For some reason my mom insists on calling it "Playing with blocks" From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Tue Jan 19 16:10:25 1999 Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 16:10:25 +0000 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam power units. Message-ID: <19990119161025.D20573@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no References: <123791954CE@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Lee Willis on Tue, Jan 19, 1999 at 03:58:47PM +0000 Status: RO Content-Length: 185 Lines: 6 On Tue, Jan 19, 1999 at 03:58:47PM +0000, Lee Willis wrote: > and at the moment is making an over expensive doorstop .. oh well :) What is it making the doorstop out of? imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 19 16:30:58 1999 From: The Mad Goose Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 16:04:19 GMT+0 Subject: Re: Sam power units. X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <123DF0B7F17@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 181 Lines: 11 > s/ly/lied/ > > {Grins} I am at a loss... Peace, Love, Kisses... JohnnaPig Teare JPOL: http://www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 19 16:46:45 1999 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam power units. References: <123DF0B7F17@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> X-Face: "J~~0'L`GfL^sW4%+i35x#X308)K/$7\]qy)UZ$`k:}Bx]6mgAA^N5,@brn/19TPn%o;j28 W7mD)UN~se8P9\3?wU.g+i9)X Date: 19 Jan 1999 16:34:52 +0000 In-Reply-To: The Mad Goose's message of "Tue, 19 Jan 1999 16:04:19 GMT+0" Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.070069 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.69) Emacs/20.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 406 Lines: 19 The Mad Goose writes: > > s/ly/lied/ > > > > {Grins} > > I am at a loss... Sorry, geeky thing ... It means substitue the ly for lied. ie. had any bother with the ones Greenweld supplied... ^^^^^^^^^ Lee. -- I was doing object-oriented assembly at 1 year old ... For some reason my mom insists on calling it "Playing with blocks" From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 19 16:57:38 1999 From: The Mad Goose Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 16:46:38 GMT+0 Subject: Re: Sam power units. X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <1248ED06AD2@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 625 Lines: 29 > The Mad Goose writes: > > > > s/ly/lied/ > > > > > > {Grins} > > > > I am at a loss... > > Sorry, geeky thing ... > > It means substitue the ly for lied. > > ie. had any bother with the ones Greenweld supplied... > ^^^^^^^^^ sam-users. infomrative AND educational ;-) > > Lee. > -- > I was doing object-oriented assembly at 1 year old ... > For some reason my mom insists on calling it "Playing with blocks" Peace, Love, Kisses... JohnnaPig Teare JPOL: http://www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 19 17:23:01 1999 Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 17:18:49 +0000 (BST) From: Dave Hooper To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Sam power units. In-Reply-To: <1248ED06AD2@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 68 Lines: 8 > sam-users. infomrative AND educational s/mr/rm [shudder] dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 19 20:56:29 1999 Message-ID: <19990119205339.2735.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.76] From: "Simon Cooke" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Z80 Assembler Studio Update Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 12:53:39 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1004 Lines: 32 >On Mon, 18 Jan 1999, Simon Cooke wrote: > >> multiply that by a factor of 2 because each line's small... so make that >> 1602K. >> If people complain about performance, I may fix it - if not, there's no > >I don't care about that (lots of memory free, even under Windows). The >fact that I can't just use the Java JDK I've already got is bloody >annoying, though, and means that I probably won't bother trying the >program. Sorry. Fine. See if I care. *shrugs* If I'd written it in VB, you'd have to have the new VB runtime and VM dlls. If I'd written it in C++, you'd need the MFC dll's. If I'd written it in Sun's version of Java, then you needn't bother loading it up unless you've got a PII 450. Also, legally, I *CAN'T* write it in Java. I can't go anywhere near the Sun stuff. If I do, I'm toast. This is because of the ongoing lawsuit. Simon (Not speaking for Microsoft) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 19 21:01:42 1999 Message-ID: <19990119205923.7591.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.76] From: "Simon Cooke" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Z80 Assembler Studio Update Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 12:59:23 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1140 Lines: 28 >But this steamrollering of Java is something which does bug me quite a bit. >When it gets to the point when programmers think absolutely nothing of >writing single platform code, then the entire point of Java, its raison >d'etre, is totally nullified. Keeping the name Java implies some attempt at >cross platform compatability - what a joke. Now it's just one step away >from being yet another acquisition for the Win32 platform. If that's the case, why does JNI exist? Also, internally, we call the language J++. ALSO, SUN ARE IN BREACH OF THEIR CONTRACT. If they won't provide public compatibility tests, the contract is null and void. They haven't. I could write this all in "100% pure Java". It'd be using AWT under Java 1.02. Because of the legal hassles, I can't touch any of the newer Java stuff. And if I did it with AWT and 1.02 (1) it'd be dog slow, and (2) it'd be incompatible depending on whose VM you were using, and (3) it'd take me 4-20 times longer to code up. Simon (not speaking for Microsoft) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 19 21:05:17 1999 Message-ID: <19990119210120.4268.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.76] From: "Simon Cooke" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: If it's such a problem for you lot... Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 13:01:20 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 278 Lines: 9 If you hate Microsoft, and all things Microsoft, and the way I code so much, then go write your own fucking assembler. As of now, this project is terminated. Simon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 19 21:16:56 1999 Message-ID: <006901be4433$5d687420$8b5008c3@persona> From: "David" To: Subject: Re: If it's such a problem for you lot... Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 05:11:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 942 Lines: 29 From: Simon Cooke To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: 19 January 1999 21:04 Subject: If it's such a problem for you lot... >If you hate Microsoft, and all things Microsoft, and the way I code so >much, then go write your own fucking assembler. > >As of now, this project is terminated. > >Simon Hey Simon, as someone who's not much of a coder... and gets lost in the fundimentals of Small C - let alone Java - I still thought it was a fascinating project. Would be interested in playing with the finished work... even if I never got very far with it! What's the point in giving it up like that... just becasue of different coders prefferences? Besides which - Re: MSoft... welll... like 'em or hate 'em ... they're there... and at least (although I've still got to get 98 to work properly...!) it's a stable company. (Wish I had shares in it!) Cheer up! Your're gettting as grumpy as me! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 19 21:16:57 1999 Message-ID: <006f01be4433$b432c6c0$8b5008c3@persona> From: "David" To: Subject: Damn! Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 05:14:05 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 104 Lines: 7 That last posting re: Simon's posting was meant to be sent as a direct email! Damn! Sorry all! David From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 19 21:16:59 1999 X-Authentication-Warning: bise.dcs.warwick.ac.uk: csuan owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 21:12:40 +0000 (BST) From: Paul Walker To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: If it's such a problem for you lot... In-Reply-To: <19990119210120.4268.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 442 Lines: 10 On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Simon Cooke wrote: > If you hate Microsoft, and all things Microsoft, and the way I code so > much, then go write your own fucking assembler. Keep your hair on. I don't hate Microsoft; I don't hate all things Microsoft (some of them, though ;), and the assembler sounds like a good idea. It was the idea of downloading a Windows Java variant that I disliked, and I probably could have put it somewhat more tactfully. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 19 21:19:36 1999 X-Authentication-Warning: bise.dcs.warwick.ac.uk: csuan owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 21:16:44 +0000 (BST) From: Paul Walker To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Z80 Assembler Studio Update In-Reply-To: <19990119205339.2735.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 869 Lines: 26 On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Simon Cooke wrote: > If I'd written it in VB, you'd have to have the new VB runtime and VM > dlls. Most cover CDs seem to require newer libraries anyway, so... > If I'd written it in C++, you'd need the MFC dll's. See above. :) > If I'd written it in Sun's version of Java, then you needn't bother > loading it up unless you've got a PII 450. Nah, I'd just use it on the handy ultra-10 in the corner. ;) > Also, legally, I *CAN'T* write it in Java. I can't go anywhere near the > Sun stuff. If I do, I'm toast. This is because of the ongoing lawsuit. Understandable, but annoying. It'd be nice if you *did* continue with the assembler, by the way, even if I'm not going to use it. ;) This is one of the things I dislike about email, or rather more precisely you being on another continent. I can't call you voice and explain/talk. >:( From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 19 21:25:14 1999 Message-ID: <00a501be4435$00c94b20$8b5008c3@persona> From: "David" To: Subject: Re: Z80 Assembler Studio Update Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 05:23:23 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 490 Lines: 16 From: Paul Walker To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: 19 January 1999 21:19 Subject: Re: Z80 Assembler Studio Update > >This is one of the things I dislike about email, or rather more precisely >you being on another continent. I can't call you voice and explain/talk. >>:( Perhaps if we all got onto the IRC channel once in a while we could perhaps have a decent discussion... and maybe even get something done and agreed on for a change! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 19 21:32:09 1999 X-Authentication-Warning: bise.dcs.warwick.ac.uk: csuan owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 21:28:29 +0000 (BST) From: Paul Walker To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Z80 Assembler Studio Update In-Reply-To: <00a501be4435$00c94b20$8b5008c3@persona> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 354 Lines: 10 On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, David wrote: I think your clock is wrong. ;) > Perhaps if we all got onto the IRC channel once in a while we could perhaps > have a decent discussion... and maybe even get something done and agreed on > for a change! It's an idea, although I somehow doubt Simon's likely to check his email again tonight. :/ Channel-name/network? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 19 21:41:38 1999 Message-ID: <00ae01be4436$e7b25760$8b5008c3@persona> From: "David" To: Subject: Re: Z80 Assembler Studio Update Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 05:37:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 721 Lines: 27 From: Paul Walker To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: 19 January 1999 21:32 Subject: Re: Z80 Assembler Studio Update >On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, David wrote: > >I think your clock is wrong. ;) Wouldn't surprise me :) >> Perhaps if we all got onto the IRC channel once in a while we could perhaps >> have a decent discussion... and maybe even get something done and agreed on >> for a change! > >It's an idea, although I somehow doubt Simon's likely to check his email >again tonight. :/ Channel-name/network? Undernet - London server. #sam-users ... the odd few of us that occasionally can be bothered/have the time/have enough time on the phone normally meet on #thelocal From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 19 21:41:39 1999 Message-ID: <19990119213532.18990.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.75] From: "Simon Cooke" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: If it's such a problem for you lot... Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 13:35:31 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 219 Lines: 9 I'm just sick of being looked at like I've got horns or something. Religious debates. I hate them. Simon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 19 22:51:39 1999 From: "Maria Rookyard" To: Subject: Re: It's nice to be back (Was: Sam power units) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 22:35:54 -0000 Message-ID: <01be43fc$1354d9a0$LocalHost@register> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 317 Lines: 17 > Question 3: Who's actually on this list now-a-days??? > > Justin. Oh lots of people (many of whom have taken up the new sport of Cookie-bashing) :( Maria. ================================= I have spread my dreams under your feet; Tread softly because you tread on my dreams ================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 19 23:34:48 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19990119210120.4268.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 23:10:20 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: If it's such a problem for you lot... X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 979 Lines: 27 >If you hate Microsoft, and all things Microsoft, and the way I code so >much, then go write your own fucking assembler. Hey hey hey - now I haven't said any of that. It's just I was very very surprised that you were using a windows-only version of "Java", with so many people on this list using other systems (unix variants, particularly). I'm sorry if I offended you personally, it wasn't my intention. I didn't know about your contractual obligations to not use newer Java versions, even in your own time. >As of now, this project is terminated. *shrug*, I could never have used it anyway. Not that there's anything at all wrong with Comet, in the context of projects I'm still likely to be doing... Andrew -- | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he +----------------+-----------------------------+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 20 01:03:30 1999 Message-ID: <00b401be4410$200de6a0$fd5208c3@trout> From: "Colin Piggot" To: Subject: Re: Hurrah! Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 00:59:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1015 Lines: 25 From: David >More SAM related topics me thinks? > >Who's got a least pathetic score than me on Stratosphere? Level 3? That is rather pathetic.... very pathetic even! You'd have only encountered the lowest form of Drone cybercraft by level and you were beaten by them? How did you have your cybercraft configured? One of the default ones or customised? Colin P. __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ /_ / / /_/ / / //_ /_//_//_ / /_ : Fast Mode 4 __/ / / / / / /_/__// / //_ / /_ : 3d Vector Action! ---=== Quoted As THE BEST GAME EVER ON SAM! ===--- +------------------------+-------------------------------+ | COLIN PIGGOT | __ ___ __ | | quazar@clara.net | /| | | | | / | | |\ | | | / | | | |__| / |__| |_\ | | QUAZAR: Hardware and | /_\| |__| | | /__ | | | \ | | Software for the Sam | | +------------------------+-------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 20 08:47:09 1999 Message-ID: <81BDD4ADA85FD11185400000F847E9C2E22291@nired027.europe.nortel.com> From: "Gavin Smith" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: RE: If it's such a problem for you lot... Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 08:26:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1183 Lines: 28 > -----Original Message----- > From: Simon Cooke [SMTP:spectecjr@hotmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 1999 9:36 PM > To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Subject: Re: If it's such a problem for you lot... > > I'm just sick of being looked at like I've got horns or something. > > Religious debates. I hate them. > > Simon Oh Simon, come on, we're only messing around! Any Microsoft jokes are meant in good humour and I'm sure aren't meant offend. I'd say there's a fair amount of jealousy at your MS job as well :) Any jokes I've made about Microsoft were meant in the C64 versus Speccy vein - "my computer's better than yours", flashbacks to our childhoods :) I for one was impressed that the Z80 Assembler Studio was released - I was very disappointed though, when I couldn't use it on my Mac (not that it's your fault). So come on, let's all kiss and make up (well shake hands and make up if you prefer). On the net, it's often hard to say what we really mean - in real life, such MS jibes would be accompanied with a wink or nudge or just a look that said "we're only messing mate". (I've finally got a reason to put that PC emulator that I bought, onto my Mac :) Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 20 09:59:23 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF598CD3@saturn.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.unit.no'" Subject: RE: If it's such a problem for you lot... Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 09:58:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 376 Lines: 14 >If you hate Microsoft, and all things Microsoft, and the way I code so >much, then go write your own fucking assembler. > >As of now, this project is terminated. Whoa! whoa!!!! Calm down! Calm down... Return to said project. Please. (This coming from someone who never seems to release his own.) Justin. (Besides, I'm embedded systems programmer - I hate all computers) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 20 10:04:16 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF598CD4@saturn.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.unit.no'" Subject: RE: It's nice to be back (Was: Sam power units) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 10:03:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 511 Lines: 22 >> Question 3: Who's actually on this list now-a-days??? >> >> Justin. > >Oh lots of people (many of whom have taken up the new sport of >Cookie-bashing) :( > >Maria. So it seems. :( Although I thought it was amazing that the last I heard was that he was thinking about the project (this was before December and before I was made redundant). Now, 6 weeks later, he's released it? Ack!!! Come on people. Leave Simon be. At least he's doing something for the SAM. Justin. PS. What happened to Bob Brenchley? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 20 10:32:54 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF598CD8@saturn.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.unit.no'" Subject: RE: Hurrah! Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 10:26:38 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 960 Lines: 27 >From: David >>More SAM related topics me thinks? >> >>Who's got a least pathetic score than me on Stratosphere? Level 3? > >That is rather pathetic.... very pathetic even! You'd have only encountered >the lowest form of Drone cybercraft by level and you were beaten >by them? > >How did you have your cybercraft configured? One of the default ones >or customised? And what method of attack are you using? I tend to go backwards, being chased by the drones, in a weaving pattern, and shooting just at the small length of time when the nose of your craft is pointing directly at the enemy. I can't remember my highest level: It's been a while. :( (Too long) Oh, Colin, Can you tell that guy who wrote the Golddust tune on the latest Quazar Soundbyte disk that I thought it was pretty cool although I though it could've done with a higher tempoed section in there aswell... (And isn't my subscription up for renewal soon?) Justin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 20 18:35:45 1999 From: tolchock@bigfoot.com To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Damn! Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 18:29:23 GMT Message-ID: <36a82058.540262@relay.clara.net> References: <006f01be4433$b432c6c0$8b5008c3@persona> In-Reply-To: <006f01be4433$b432c6c0$8b5008c3@persona> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 294 Lines: 11 On Wed, 20 Jan 1999 05:14:05 -0000 Tue, 19 Jan 99 21:26:12 GMT, "David" wrote: >That last posting re: Simon's posting was meant to be sent as a direct >email! > >Damn! Sorry all! Well it was worth saying. And you didn't inadvertantly slag anyone off in public. :-) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 20 18:35:46 1999 From: tolchock@bigfoot.com To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: If it's such a problem for you lot... Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 18:29:22 GMT Message-ID: <36a62036.505722@relay.clara.net> References: <19990119210120.4268.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: <19990119210120.4268.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 660 Lines: 20 On Tue, 19 Jan 1999 13:01:20 PST Tue, 19 Jan 99 21:26:11 GMT, "Simon Cooke" wrote: >If you hate Microsoft, and all things Microsoft, and the way I code so >much, then go write your own fucking assembler. Now now, no need to think we all hate Microsoft. Some people hate magpie's because they're so successful as a species. Mankind is at the top of the food chain because we're so good at using fellow planet dewllers to our own ends. If people would rather be with the sheep pigs and cows, then that's their look out. Oh.. WTF am I on about?! :-) >As of now, this project is terminated. Another one bites the dust. :-( TTFN Dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 20 20:54:37 1999 Message-ID: <001001be4580$197b6440$835008c3@persona> From: "David" To: Subject: Re: Damn! Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 20:53:28 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 367 Lines: 15 From: tolchock@bigfoot.com To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: 20 January 1999 18:35 Subject: Re: Damn! On Wed, 20 Jan 1999 05:14:05 -0000 Tue, 19 Jan 99 21:26:12 GMT, "David" wrote: >Well it was worth saying. And you didn't inadvertantly slag anyone off > in public. :-) Makes a change, eh? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 21 14:06:07 1999 Message-ID: <81BDD4ADA85FD11185400000F847E9C2E3CA49@nired027.europe.nortel.com> From: "Gavin Smith" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Games Ahoy! Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:42:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1138 Lines: 22 Decided it was time I spent a few quid on my SAM last week, so I ordered Defender (from Persona) and Super Byke Championship (from Quazar). Defender is superb, it is arcade perfect and it is exactly how I remember it on my Acorn Electron, albeit slightly harder (although I could just be out of practice/getting old). Very nice game! But! On the same disk you also get Dyzonium (extremely hard shoot-em-up) and Astroball!! Astroball is another superb game, I always wanted to buy it years ago, and never got round to it, but now I have it, and it's great! So, 7 quid two great games, one good game if slightly too hard. Nice one Malcolm, bargain of the century! (Go on guys, spend 7 quid on your SAM, you won't regret it, I promise, you'll fall in love with your SAM all over again!) Haven't had much of a chance to play Super Byke Championship Colin, looks as professional as all your stuff though, hopefully get a few goes at it over the weekend - my brother says its funky, so it must be good then. (Still looking for a SAM in mint condition, there must be one somewhere...) Gavin Smith IMDB Support ESN 3844 External (01232)363844 From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 21 18:19:36 1999 Message-ID: <002e01be4569$9eb383c0$3b5108c3@trout> From: "Colin Piggot" To: Subject: Re: Games Ahoy! Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 18:12:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1091 Lines: 28 From: Gavin Smith >Haven't had much of a chance to play >Super Byke Championship Colin, looks as professional as all your stuff >though, This was my full game release too... back in December 1995! >hopefully get a few goes at it over the weekend - my brother says >its funky, so it must be good then. The continous 16 bit soundtracks as well as the other surround sound effects really adds to the whole game in my opinion! Colin P. __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ /_ / / /_/ / / //_ /_//_//_ / /_ : Fast Mode 4 __/ / / / / / /_/__// / //_ / /_ : 3d Vector Action! ---=== Quoted As THE BEST GAME EVER ON SAM! ===--- +------------------------+-------------------------------+ | COLIN PIGGOT | __ ___ __ | | quazar@clara.net | /| | | | | / | | |\ | | | / | | | |__| / |__| |_\ | | QUAZAR: Hardware and | /_\| |__| | | /__ | | | \ | | Software for the Sam | | +------------------------+-------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 21 18:31:41 1999 Message-ID: <004101be456a$f74e3420$3b5108c3@trout> From: "Colin Piggot" To: Subject: Re: Hurrah! Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 18:22:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1386 Lines: 39 From: Justin Skists >>>Who's got a least pathetic score than me on Stratosphere? Level 3? > >And what method of attack are you using? >I tend to go backwards, being chased by the drones, in a weaving >pattern, and shooting just at the small length of time when the >nose of your craft is pointing directly at the enemy. Not bad tactics that, although going backwards doesnt help much if you reverse into a structure or something then have to go forward through a crowd of enemy cybercraft especially when you beyond the puny drones...! >I can't remember my highest level: It's been a while. :( (Too >long) Let me know when you next have a go :) >Oh, Colin, Can you tell that guy who wrote the Golddust tune >on the latest Soundbyte disk that I thought it was >pretty cool although I though it could've done with a higher >tempoed section in there aswell... I'll pass on the message... It was his debut tune afterall - and it was a good tune for my 20KHz 16 bit 8 to 1 sample compression. Colin P. __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ /_ / / /_/ / / //_ /_//_//_ / /_ : Fast Mode 4 __/ / / / / / /_/__// / //_ / /_ : 3d Vector Action! ---=== Quoted As THE BEST GAME EVER ON SAM! ===--- [Email address for the January 1999 info booklet and a copy of the new 4 page A4 Guide To Stratosphere booklet!] COLIN PIGGOT quazar@clara.net From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 21 18:31:42 1999 Message-ID: <004a01be456b$51a90080$3b5108c3@trout> From: "Colin Piggot" To: Subject: Re: Games Ahoy! Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 18:24:43 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 937 Lines: 21 From: Gavin Smith >Haven't had much of a chance to play >Super Byke Championship Colin, looks as professional as all your stuff >though, Oops! what I meant to say in the previous email that Super Byke Championship was my first full price game i released back in Dec 1995! Colin P. __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ /_ / / /_/ / / //_ /_//_//_ / /_ : Fast Mode 4 __/ / / / / / /_/__// / //_ / /_ : 3d Vector Action! ---=== Quoted As THE BEST GAME EVER ON SAM! ===--- +------------------------+-------------------------------+ | COLIN PIGGOT | __ ___ __ | | quazar@clara.net | /| | | | | / | | |\ | | | / | | | |__| / |__| |_\ | | QUAZAR: Hardware and | /_\| |__| | | /__ | | | \ | | Software for the Sam | | +------------------------+-------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 21 19:19:51 1999 From: The Mad Goose Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 19:11:51 GMT+0 Subject: I am ten... X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <156F60E56BB@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1252 Lines: 29 hard to believe that the SAM is ten years old this year. Is there any plans to do anything interesting for a celebration? Perhaps this should be they year that everybody tries to have something new to show - we could set the date for the big SAM party adn then everybody could work on new software for it - just for old times sakes more than anyhting. Kind of like one last bash at something SAM-ish before we all go off and get proper computers. How about knocking out some SAM versions of PC classics? Unreal in MODE 3 could be interesting. It'd be the perfect game to bundle with WCC's new SAMSon upgradable SRAM card. Seriously though, there are loads of people who obviously only have a very vague interest in teh SAM on this list - i count myself as being among them - but I think that, seeing this is the tenth anniversary year, we should all make a bit of an effort and each have something to display at one of the shows this year. Also, any chance of getting Bruce or Alan to come to a show - it would be a nice way of saying thanks to them, and signing off from the SAM scene. Any ideas? Peace, Love, Kisses... JohnnaPig Teare JPOL: http://www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 21 19:41:10 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <156F60E56BB@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 19:32:05 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: I am ten... X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 729 Lines: 20 >hard to believe that the SAM is ten years old this year. Is there any >plans to do anything interesting for a celebration? > >Perhaps this should be they year that everybody tries to have >something new to show This thought had crossed my mind too....! What month of the year was Sam originally released? To be honest, I'd be much happier with a deadline for the October show than the April one - what with this degree I'm supposed to be getting, and all. Andrew -- | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he +----------------+-----------------------------+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 21 20:01:33 1999 Message-ID: <000401be4578$73fff960$8251883e@i4d4f6> From: "Malcolm Mackenzie" To: Subject: Re: I am ten... Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 19:52:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1641 Lines: 46 On the 21-01-99, The Mad Goose wrote:- >hard to believe that the SAM is ten years old this year. Is there any >plans to do anything interesting for a celebration? Don`t know, but there is going to be another show in HORWICH on the 27th FEBUARY. Incidently my SAM was ten years old last year. >Perhaps this should be they year that everybody tries to have >something new to show - we could set the date for the big SAM party >adn then everybody could work on new software for it - just for old >times sakes more than anyhting. Kind of like one last bash at >something SAM-ish before we all go off and get proper computers. There is something new! DEFENDER by Digital Reality.(Chris Pile) >How about knocking out some SAM versions of PC classics? Unreal in >MODE 3 could be interesting. It'd be the perfect game to bundle with >WCC's new SAMSon upgradable SRAM card. WOW! the SRAM card is out, I didn`t know about that!, and there`s me thinking I was up to date with everything that was happening, I will have to tell my informants to get thier fingers out! >Seriously though, there are loads of people who obviously only have a >very vague interest in teh SAM on this list - i count myself as being >among them - but I think that, seeing this is the tenth anniversary >year, we should all make a bit of an effort and each have something >to display at one of the shows this year. Again, that would be brilliant, how many new Games and utilities would that be then? >Also, any chance of getting Bruce or Alan to come to a show - it >would be a nice way of saying thanks to them, and signing off from >the SAM scene. Malcolm. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 21 20:11:50 1999 Message-ID: <000b01be4579$75965b60$8251883e@i4d4f6> From: "Malcolm Mackenzie" To: Subject: Re: I am ten... Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 20:05:55 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 257 Lines: 9 On the 21-0199 Andrew Collier wrote:- >What month of the year was Sam originally released? To be honest, I'd be >much happier with a deadline for the October show than the April one What April one? The Show that matters is the Febuary one, in HORWICH. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 21 20:11:50 1999 Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 20:06:18 +0000 (BST) From: Dave Hooper To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: I am ten... In-Reply-To: <000401be4578$73fff960$8251883e@i4d4f6> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 494 Lines: 13 > >How about knocking out some SAM versions of PC classics? Unreal in > >MODE 3 could be interesting. It'd be the perfect game to bundle with >WCC's > new SAMSon upgradable SRAM card. > > WOW! the SRAM card is out, I didn`t know about that!, and there`s me > thinking I was up to date with everything that was happening, I will have to > tell my informants to get thier fingers out! to be honest, i just thought it was a bit of sarcasm. it's not really out, is it? dave (still here, just) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 21 20:23:18 1999 From: The Mad Goose Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 20:10:42 GMT+0 Subject: Re: I am ten... X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <157F62C19EA@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2022 Lines: 48 > >Perhaps this should be they year that everybody tries to have > >something new to show - we could set the date for the big SAM party > >adn then everybody could work on new software for it - just for old > >times sakes more than anyhting. Kind of like one last bash at > >something SAM-ish before we all go off and get proper computers. > > > There is something new! DEFENDER by Digital Reality.(Chris Pile) Well he's done his bit then - now it's everbody elsews turn... [snip about SRAM] > > WOW! the SRAM card is out, I didn`t know about that!, and there`s me > thinking I was up to date with everything that was happening, I will > have to tell my informants to get thier fingers out! Erm...it was a joke. Tongue-in-cheek-thing. Piss take. There's as much chance of us seeing something posistive in teh way of SAMSon as there is of us seeing David and Bob retire to the country to run a pub together. If only Bob had listened and responded to what the majority were interested in producing, we might have seen more results (although I doubt that aswell, to be honest..) > > >Seriously though, there are loads of people who obviously only have > >a very vague interest in teh SAM on this list - i count myself as > >being among them - but I think that, seeing this is the tenth > >anniversary year, we should all make a bit of an effort and each > >have something to display at one of the shows this year. > > > Again, that would be brilliant, how many new Games and utilities > would that be then? Well if everybody on this list just does one thing each, then we'd have loads of new stuff - more than we've seen in years. Is it not worth doing - we could even go about contacting those who have left the SAM scene and get them down for the show - everybody could bury the hatchet and we could all move on knowing that we gave old SAM a right good send-off. Peace, Love, Kisses... JohnnaPig Teare JPOL: http://www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 21 20:23:18 1999 From: The Mad Goose Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 20:11:53 GMT+0 Subject: Re: I am ten... X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <157F6E33FA1@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 452 Lines: 20 > On the 21-0199 Andrew Collier wrote:- > > >What month of the year was Sam originally released? To be honest, > >I'd be much happier with a deadline for the October show than the > >April one > > What April one? > > The Show that matters is the Febuary one, in HORWICH. But Norwich is miles away... ;-) > > Peace, Love, Kisses... JohnnaPig Teare JPOL: http://www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 21 20:28:40 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000b01be4579$75965b60$8251883e@i4d4f6> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 20:17:16 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: I am ten... X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 667 Lines: 20 >On the 21-0199 Andrew Collier wrote:- > >>What month of the year was Sam originally released? To be honest, I'd be >>much happier with a deadline for the October show than the April one > >What April one? > >The Show that matters is the Febuary one, in HORWICH. And since when have I been within 150 miles of Horwich during February?? At least the Gloucester shows are usually out of term-time. Andrew -- | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he +----------------+-----------------------------+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 21 20:59:47 1999 Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 20:51:39 +0000 (BST) From: Dave Hooper To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: I am ten... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 561 Lines: 15 > >The Show that matters is the Febuary one, in HORWICH. > > And since when have I been within 150 miles of Horwich during February?? At > least the Gloucester shows are usually out of term-time. as of this coming july-ish i will have graduated with my first class degree, maybe, who knows, and living in the south with the missus. my point is i will be easily able to get to a show. which would mean a first for me. as long as the show's after july. or in ediinburgh if before july. are they any good? never been to one and, like ... too scared ... dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 21 21:18:32 1999 Message-ID: <001401be4582$bc505980$177c883e@i4d4f6> From: "Malcolm Mackenzie" To: Subject: Re: I am ten... Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 21:12:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 266 Lines: 9 On the 21-0199 Andrew Collier wrote:- >And since when have I been within 150 miles of Horwich during >February?? Just for you Andrew, I`ll have a word with the organiser of the Northern Sam users show, and get him to arrange the show when school`s out. Malcolm. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 21 23:16:22 1999 Message-ID: <36A7B46C.F7753BDE@purple.dircon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 23:12:44 +0000 From: Gavin Smith Organization: Purple Island X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: I am ten... References: <157F62C19EA@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 645 Lines: 16 The Mad Goose wrote: > Well if everybody on this list just does one thing each, then we'd > have loads of new stuff - more than we've seen in years. Is it not > worth doing - we could even go about contacting those who have left > the SAM scene and get them down for the show - everybody could bury > the hatchet and we could all move on knowing that we gave old SAM a > right good send-off. Woah! What's all this about giving it a good send-off?! Some of us still like using it you know :) (Johnna, don't you have any unreleased bits and pieces from your SAM2SAM days? Some of those little games and things were very nice indeed...) Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 21 23:33:25 1999 Message-ID: <000601be4595$949b4540$d95808c3@trout> From: "Colin Piggot" To: Subject: Re: I am ten... Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 23:27:14 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1193 Lines: 24 The Mad Goose wrote: > Well if everybody on this list just does one thing each, then we'd > have loads of new stuff - more than we've seen in years. Some of us are releasing programs monthly you know - such as Soundbyte [that's now on issue 45 btw!] as well as other full programs every few months - the latest being Quazar Sequencer Pro which I released mid November. [That's a music package for the Quazar Surround in case you are intrested! There's been plenty of pieces of music made with it and the original Quazar Sequencer on Soundbyte over the months] Colin P. __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ /_ / / /_/ / / //_ /_//_//_ / /_ : Fast Mode 4 __/ / / / / / /_/__// / //_ / /_ : 3d Vector Action! ---=== Quoted As THE BEST GAME EVER ON SAM! ===--- +------------------------+-------------------------------+ | COLIN PIGGOT | __ ___ __ | | quazar@clara.net | /| | | | | / | | |\ | | | / | | | |__| / |__| |_\ | | QUAZAR: Hardware and | /_\| |__| | | /__ | | | \ | | Software for the Sam | | +------------------------+-------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 22 09:51:13 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF598CDC@saturn.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.unit.no'" Subject: RE: Hurrah! Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:49:09 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 869 Lines: 31 Colin wrote in response to me: >Not bad tactics that, although going backwards doesnt help much if you >reverse into a structure or something then have to go forward through >a crowd of enemy cybercraft especially when you beyond the puny >drones...! Yes.. That is a downfall. But, that's what the scanner is for! :) It's easy for the puny ones. What is the best tactic, then? Against the other ones? Damn, I can't even remember what the other ones where like. >>I can't remember my highest level: It's been a while. :( (Too >>long) > >Let me know when you next have a go :) I might have a go this weekend. I'll have to dig out my cables and mixers to merge the SAM's and Quazar's sound together... >I'll pass on the message... It was his debut tune afterall - and it was a >good >tune for my 20KHz 16 bit 8 to 1 sample compression. It was indeed. :) Justin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 22 10:21:16 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF598CDE@saturn.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.unit.no'" Subject: RE: I am ten... Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:01:32 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 849 Lines: 25 In response ot Malcolm, >Don`t know, but there is going to be another show in HORWICH on the 27th >FEBUARY. >Incidently my SAM was ten years old last year. Ummmmmmm... Where in the universe is Horwich??? >>Seriously though, there are loads of people who obviously only have a >>very vague interest in teh SAM on this list - i count myself as being >>among them - but I think that, seeing this is the tenth anniversary >>year, we should all make a bit of an effort and each have something >>to display at one of the shows this year. > >Again, that would be brilliant, how many new Games and utilities would that >be then? Whoa!! You mean I'll have to actually get my finger out and carry on developing my MIDI programs? (Who knows, I might actually get around to polishing my MIDI-Bar proggy and send it to David and Blitz by then...) Justin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 22 12:28:43 1999 From: "Maria Rookyard" To: Subject: Re: I am ten... Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:19:58 -0000 Message-ID: <01be4601$86e02260$LocalHost@register> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 531 Lines: 23 In response to Malcolm's information: >>Don`t know, but there is going to be another show in HORWICH on the 27th >>FEBUARY. >>Incidently my SAM was ten years old last year. Justin wondered: >Ummmmmmm... Where in the universe is Horwich??? It's near Bolton - on the side near Wanderers Reebok stadium. Reet near t'motorway as we say up 'ere int north (M61 that is, junction number.... erm, what's the junction David? Ian? Andrew? anyone?) Maria. Currently listening to Culture Club and remembering when life was good... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 22 13:51:46 1999 From: "David Laundon" To: Subject: Re: I am ten... Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 13:22:05 -0000 Message-ID: <000001be460a$34f71d60$0304a8c0@eccles.catalyst> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF598CDE@saturn.aculab.com> Importance: Normal X-Server: VPOP3 V1.3.0 - Registered to: Steven J. Jeffery X-Organisation: Catalyst Computer Systems Ltd. X-Web: Visit our Web Page at http://www.catalyst-uk.com X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 590 Lines: 18 Justin Skists wrote: >Whoa!! You mean I'll have to actually get my finger out and >carry on developing my MIDI programs? (Who knows, I might >actually get around to polishing my MIDI-Bar proggy and >send it to David and Blitz by then...) You mean I'm not the only one who's interested in MIDI around here? What have you been working on MIDI wise then, Justin? How many more of you are interested in SAM and MIDI? I was working on a program a couple of years ago that played e-Tracker music via MIDI. Is it worth me polishing (rewriting!) it a bit? Anyone interested? David Laundon. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 22 14:43:38 1999 Message-ID: <000801be4614$567d6020$bf32883e@i4d4f6> From: "Malcolm Mackenzie" To: "Sam users" Subject: Midi Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 14:34:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 181 Lines: 4 Of course David, we are interested in any progs MIDI or otherwise, just get cracking with it, then send it to us, and it will be put on the mag for all to share. Malcolm.(PERSONA) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 22 14:54:30 1999 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 14:40:13 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: Games Ahoy! References: <81BDD4ADA85FD11185400000F847E9C2E3CA49@nired027.europe.nortel.com> In-Reply-To: <81BDD4ADA85FD11185400000F847E9C2E3CA49@nired027.europe.nortel.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 4.01 <8OHKkEUpoELRXEckwUjJGSM0AF> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 420 Lines: 14 In message <81BDD4ADA85FD11185400000F847E9C2E3CA49@nired027.europe.norte l.com>, Gavin Smith writes >(Still looking for a SAM in mint condition, there must be one somewhere...) Have you tried the Smithsonian? ;) Graham Goring -- /====================================\ | Ber-Limey! There's not even enough | |room to swing a cat in this sodding-| \=========== ICQ: 5333545 ===========/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 22 16:46:47 1999 Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 16:42:12 +0000 (BST) From: Dave Hooper To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: I am ten... In-Reply-To: <000001be460a$34f71d60$0304a8c0@eccles.catalyst> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 642 Lines: 19 > You mean I'm not the only one who's interested in MIDI around here? i used to be > How many more of you are interested in SAM and MIDI? all i wrote was something that let me up-and-download song data to my keyboard's sequencer memory using sysex messages from/to sam disk. i was gonna write a whole fully-fledged midi sequencer (this was about the time that Sam Supplement issue 6 came out ...) and then bought Tim Humphries one when i found out about it. > I was working on a program a couple of years ago that played e-Tracker music > via MIDI. Is it worth me polishing (rewriting!) it a bit? Anyone > interested? could be good. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 22 17:04:17 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF598CDF@saturn.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.unit.no'" Subject: RE: I am ten... Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 17:02:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1254 Lines: 37 David Laundon wrote: >You mean I'm not the only one who's interested in MIDI around here? Afraid not, matey! :) >What have you been working on MIDI wise then, Justin? Well, there's MIDI-Bar which really only displays the notes from each channel from a MIDI device onto the screen as a series of lines for each note on each channel. The length of line is determined by the velocity of the note. It also displays the program number of the channel. It's still in beta stages - and I want to add something showing the MIDI heartbeat and possibly the pitch of the channel (but my keyboard doesn't have a pitch wheel so I doubt I'll do that). I'm also writing a Standard MIDI File to SAM Sequencer converter in machine code (actually, it's in C) which is slightly faster than the BASIC one. :) Also in the pipeline is MIDI-Bark (MIDI file player based on MIDI-Bar). Which is most likely have it's own file format but be able to convert from both SMF and Sequencer. The new format will allow the files to be played in the background with the minimum fuss of time converting. >I was working on a program a couple of years ago that played e-Tracker music >via MIDI. Is it worth me polishing (rewriting!) it a bit? Anyone >interested? Yes. :) Justin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 22 17:04:18 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF598CE0@saturn.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.unit.no'" Subject: RE: I am ten... Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 17:04:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 264 Lines: 8 >It's near Bolton - on the side near Wanderers Reebok stadium. Reet near >t'motorway as we say up 'ere int north (M61 that is, junction number.... >erm, what's the junction David? Ian? Andrew? anyone?) Not quite a short distance from Watford then... :( Justin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 22 19:05:26 1999 From: PGLOVER43@aol.com Message-ID: <9bfbd553.36a8ca59@aol.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 13:58:33 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: I am ten... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows 95 sub 168 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 567 Lines: 16 Hi everyone, As it's soon to be SAM's tenth birthday, would anyone be interested in a special SAM lapel badge/tie or something similar? If it had a neat design, using the SAM logo (with permission, of course!) it could look quite good, and be worn with pride. There's always the chance that you'll meet someone else wearing one and discover a fellow SAM enthusiast. I don't know much about getting badges/ties made, but many small clubs and societies have them done. There may be enough of us to make such a project feasible. Any thoughts/comments? Phil Glover. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 22 19:05:27 1999 From: PGLOVER43@aol.com Message-ID: <41535553.36a8ca5a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 13:58:34 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Games Ahoy! - Dyzonium query Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows 95 sub 168 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 391 Lines: 10 Re: The Defenders game disk: Does the disk's version of Dyzonium have the cheat mode in it? It's an excellent game, but too hard for the likes of me. I bought a pre-release version of Dyzonium which doesn't seem to have the cheat routine, and I have failed miserably to get further than level 3. A cheat mode may tempt me to buy this new disk, once Christmas is paid for.... Phil Glover. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 22 21:02:55 1999 Message-ID: <000d01be4649$62b2e240$82c748c2@Enterprise.enterprise.net> From: "Chris Pile" To: Subject: Re: Games Ahoy! - Dyzonium query Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 20:54:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 370 Lines: 11 >Re: The Defenders game disk: > >Does the disk's version of Dyzonium have the cheat mode in it? It's an >excellent game, but too hard for the likes of me. The version of Dyzonium (written by me old mate Balor Knight) on the Defender disk does have the cheat mode... However; I'm not going to 'spill the beans' regarding the method(s) of invoking it!!!! ;-) Chris. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 22 22:38:37 1999 From: "Maria Rookyard" To: Subject: Re: I am ten... Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 22:30:52 -0000 Message-ID: <01be4656$de380e60$LocalHost@register> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 497 Lines: 22 >As it's soon to be SAM's tenth birthday, would anyone be interested in a >special SAM lapel badge/tie or something similar? > >Any thoughts/comments? > >Phil Glover. Sexist or what? What would I want with a tie? Now if someone were to suggest matching bra and knicker sets I might be interested... ;-) Maria. ================================= I have spread my dreams under your feet; Tread softly because you tread on my dreams W.B. YEATS ================================= From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 22 22:38:38 1999 Message-ID: <003201be4720$b7c7c200$935008c3@persona> From: "David" To: Subject: Re: Games Ahoy! - Dyzonium query Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 22:35:44 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 726 Lines: 20 From: Chris Pile To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: 22 January 1999 21:02 Subject: Re: Games Ahoy! - Dyzonium query >>Re: The Defenders game disk: >The version of Dyzonium (written by me old mate Balor Knight) on the >Defender disk does have the cheat mode... However; I'm not going to >'spill the beans' regarding the method(s) of invoking it!!!! ;-) Good on ya' Chris ;) Can't have it tooo easy for people :) Shame I couldn't find the original version of Plasmoid ... that went with my original SAM gear ages ago :( The original graphics (including the Swasticas (okay! spelling's off I know!) perhaps weren't as good ... but it would have been interesting to see.... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 23 00:56:15 1999 Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 19:49:08 -0500 From: Gordon Wallis <101762.2062@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: I am ten... To: "INTERNET:sam-users@nvg.unit.no" Message-ID: <199901221949_MC2-67B1-7939@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 443 Lines: 13 Message text written by INTERNET:sam-users@nvg.unit.no >>As it's soon to be SAM's tenth birthday, would anyone be interested in a >>special SAM lapel badge/tie or something similar? > >Sexist or what? What would I want with a tie?< (cough) Dunno if this still applies these days, but back when I was a lad in High School, the girls managed to put their ties to some rather...*imaginitive* uses. (glazed look spread across face) Hmmmmmm :-) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 23 01:01:41 1999 From: PGLOVER43@aol.com Message-ID: <6ab877ec.36a91c30@aol.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 19:47:44 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: I am ten... Lapel badges and bras, etc. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows 95 sub 168 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 200 Lines: 8 Apologies to Maria if I appeared sexist. I wouldn't object to badges, ties, bras or panties, as long as we can chose which option to go for, according to our preferences. (the mind boggles!) Phil. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 23 01:05:54 1999 From: PGLOVER43@aol.com Message-ID: <9ddd9d6e.36a91ebc@aol.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 19:58:36 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Games Ahoy! - Dyzonium query Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows 95 sub 168 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 593 Lines: 12 I'm glad to hear that the games disk features the 'cheat' version of Dyzonium. A cheque will be sent before too long.... (Don't worry, I remember how to invoke the cheat routine!) Besides buying the pre-release copy of Dyzonium, I also bought Astroball. Both are cracking good games (as Wallace might say) and Balor Knight deserves credit for writing such good games for SAM. If you've never tried them, shame on you. Make amends and buy the new games disk. It'd be worth it for those two games alone, and the added incentive of a SAM version of Defenders is too good to resist. Phil Glover From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 23 02:56:15 1999 Message-ID: <36A939B7.9DC79BE9@purple.dircon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 02:53:44 +0000 From: Gavin Smith Organization: Purple Island X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: I am ten... References: <9bfbd553.36a8ca59@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 474 Lines: 17 PGLOVER43@aol.com wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > As it's soon to be SAM's tenth birthday, would anyone be interested in a > special SAM lapel badge/tie or something similar? [snip] > Phil Glover. Can't imagine me wearing a lapel badge somehow - a SAM Coupe T-shirt maybe! Hmm, black with the SAM logo in the middle and we could make up some slogan for underneath the logo. On the back we could have a list of all our favourite software/SAM bods or something. Nice. Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 23 03:16:48 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <36A939B7.9DC79BE9@purple.dircon.co.uk> References: <9bfbd553.36a8ca59@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 03:09:23 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: I am ten... X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 546 Lines: 18 At 2:53 am +0000 23/1/99, Gavin Smith wrote: >On the back we could have a list of >all our favourite software/SAM bods or something. Nice. Or copies of their signatures.... Andrew PS. Have we actually established the exact birthday? Somewhere around November this year, isn't it? -- | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he +----------------+-----------------------------+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 23 10:18:09 1999 Message-ID: <001101be46b8$e330b720$c15708c3@trout> From: "Colin Piggot" To: Subject: Re: Hurrah! Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 10:12:28 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1257 Lines: 31 From: Justin Skists >>Not bad tactics that, although going backwards doesnt help much if you >>reverse into a structure or something then have to go forward through >>a crowd of enemy cybercraft especially when you beyond the puny >>drones...! > >Yes.. That is a downfall. But, that's what the scanner is >for! :) It's easy for the puny ones. Yeap! The scanner does come in handy. >What is the best tactic, then? Against the other ones? Damn, >I can't even remember what the other ones where like. The best tactic? Thats a hard question! Depends on how you customise the cybercraft really... Colin P. __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ /_ / / /_/ / / //_ /_//_//_ / /_ : Fast Mode 4 __/ / / / / / /_/__// / //_ / /_ : 3d Vector Action! ---=== Quoted As THE BEST GAME EVER ON SAM! ===--- +------------------------+-------------------------------+ | COLIN PIGGOT | __ ___ __ | | quazar@clara.net | /| | | | | / | | |\ | | | / | | | |__| / |__| |_\ | | QUAZAR: Hardware and | /_\| |__| | | /__ | | | \ | | Software for the Sam | | +------------------------+-------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 23 10:42:51 1999 From: "Maria Rookyard" To: Subject: Re: I am ten... Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 09:59:19 -0000 Message-ID: <01be46b7$0b66d280$LocalHost@register> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 905 Lines: 36 >PGLOVER43@aol.com wrote: >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> As it's soon to be SAM's tenth birthday, would anyone be interested >> in a special SAM lapel badge/tie or something similar? > > Can't imagine me wearing a lapel badge somehow - a SAM Coupe > T-shirt maybe! Hmm, black with the SAM logo in the middle and we > could make up some slogan for underneath the logo. On the back we > could have a list of all our favourite software/SAM bods or something. > Nice. > > Gavin On 2nd thoughts perhaps a T-shirt would be better than underwear - working off the basis that you're less likely to get arrested for showing someone your t-shirt in the street... Maria. Listening to Ocean Drive and thinking about the beach ================================= I have spread my dreams under your feet; Tread softly because you tread on my dreams W.B. YEATS ================================== From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 23 13:16:16 1999 Message-ID: <001e01be479b$a32a1660$885008c3@persona> From: "David" To: Subject: Midi & Stuff... Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 13:15:37 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 172 Lines: 4 Very impressed to hear about the E-Tracker to Midi program... What's the chance of doing the oppisite? Taking the raw Midi data and creating a Pro/E-Tracker file from it? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 23 15:33:20 1999 Message-ID: <001d01be46e5$5b28acc0$bec648c2@Enterprise.enterprise.net> From: "Chris Pile" To: Subject: Re: Games Ahoy! - Dyzonium query Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 15:30:43 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1024 Lines: 25 >I'm glad to hear that the games disk features the 'cheat' version of Dyzonium. >A cheque will be sent before too long.... (Don't worry, I remember how to >invoke the cheat routine!) I'm not too sure if Balor changed the cheat invocation in the final release!! Knowing how his mind works he probably did!!!! ;-) >Besides buying the pre-release copy of Dyzonium, I also bought Astroball. Both >are cracking good games (as Wallace might say) and Balor Knight deserves >credit for writing such good games for SAM. Balor received due credit (but sadly hardly any money!!) for Astroball as this was the game that impressed Probe Software to give him a job!!! He's currently working for them writing PC games now, the latest being a full reflective 3D texture-mapped beast to be called 'Revolt'... It's a car racing game with a difference and it looks amazing!!! So, Balor owes the humble SAM a small debt of gratitude, as it's this very machine that elevated him from 'Life on the Dole' to where he is now!!! ;-) Chris. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 23 22:11:16 1999 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 22:06:06 +0000 To: Sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Ian Dalziel Subject: Re: I am ten... References: <01be4656$de380e60$LocalHost@register> In-Reply-To: <01be4656$de380e60$LocalHost@register> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 X-Orcpt: rfc822;Sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 374 Lines: 15 In article <01be4656$de380e60$LocalHost@register>, Maria Rookyard writes >Sexist or what? What would I want with a tie? Now if someone were to suggest >matching bra and knicker sets I might be interested... ;-) > >Maria. > That sounds more interesting to me too - so I can't be sexist, right? Not with Nev wearing them, mind... -- Ian Dalziel From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jan 24 01:50:15 1999 Message-ID: <002001be4804$f9a40e60$b05008c3@persona> From: "David" To: "sam-users" Subject: Keyboard interface Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 01:49:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 60 Lines: 2 Did anything further happen with the keyboard i/f project? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jan 24 02:42:03 1999 Message-ID: <19990124024001.22394.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.70] From: "Simon Cooke" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: I am ten... Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 18:40:01 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 661 Lines: 24 >Message text written by INTERNET:sam-users@nvg.unit.no >>>As it's soon to be SAM's tenth birthday, would anyone be interested in a >>>special SAM lapel badge/tie or something similar? >> >>Sexist or what? What would I want with a tie?< > >(cough) Dunno if this still applies these days, but back when I was a lad >in High School, the girls managed to put their ties to some >rather...*imaginitive* uses. > >(glazed look spread across face) Hmmmmmm > >:-) Did they use them on the boys, on each other, or on themselves? :) Si (perving as usual) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jan 24 10:25:03 1999 From: "Robert van der Veeke" To: Subject: Re: Keyboard interface Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 11:22:04 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19990124102235.BEBC326E5@maillist.kabelfoon.nl> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 529 Lines: 16 > Van: David > Aan: sam-users > Onderwerp: Keyboard interface > Datum: Monday, January 25, 1999 2:49 > > Did anything further happen with the keyboard i/f project? > I am getting intrested in this project to, the main reason being that my sam-keyboard is acting weird aging and it is about time to do another major investment in my Sam Coupe. -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Currently listening to : Bannoubunka Nekomusume - My Dearest friends From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jan 24 11:41:03 1999 Message-ID: <000401be478e$34ce0e40$b87f883e@i4d4f6> From: "Malcolm Mackenzie" To: "Sam users" Subject: THE NSSS Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 11:37:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 628 Lines: 16 HELLO SAMMERS, Set your browsers to www.thepentagon.com/nsss For all the info on the next Northern Sam & Speccy Show. David Tonks has asked me to explain why he did not attend the last Gloucester show. He say`s he was phoned on the Friday before the show, asking if he was going, he said he wasn`t, he was then told he could have a free stall, he still said that he could not attend, the reason being that he was asked to work on the Saturday and therefore it was a question of going to the show and possibly losing money, or working and making money, and as Dave explained, his family & his job come before anything else. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jan 24 12:42:14 1999 Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 07:39:07 -0500 From: Gordon Wallis <101762.2062@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Games Ahoy! - Dyzonium query To: "INTERNET:sam-users@nvg.unit.no" Message-ID: <199901240740_MC2-67C3-5407@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1019 Lines: 22 Message text written by INTERNET:sam-users@nvg.unit.no >>Besides buying the pre-release copy of Dyzonium, I also bought Astroball. >Both >>are cracking good games (as Wallace might say) and Balor Knight deserves >>credit for writing such good games for SAM. > >Balor received due credit (but sadly hardly any money!!) for Astroball as this >was >the game that impressed Probe Software to give him a job!!!< I've played demos of both the Sam and Speccy versions of Astroball, though I never actually bought either. I liked the game, but I was mightily disappointed when someone said that the Space Invaders but wasn't in the Sam version... I did buy Dyzonium, though, and consider it to be one of the Sam's best games (not hard, considering it's competition as a shoot-'em-up). It's nice to see that good work on a (dare I say it) defunct machine can get you a fairly good job. Didn't Balor also work on the Playstation 'Fantastic Four' game, though..? Somewhat...less-than-Fantastic... but I won't begrudge him that. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jan 24 12:47:09 1999 Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 07:43:10 -0500 From: Gordon Wallis <101762.2062@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: I am ten... To: "INTERNET:sam-users@nvg.unit.no" Message-ID: <199901240744_MC2-67C3-5428@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 438 Lines: 16 Message text written by INTERNET:sam-users@nvg.unit.no >>in High School, the girls managed to put their ties to some >>rather...*imaginitive* uses. >> >>(glazed look spread across face) Hmmmmmm >> >>:-) > >Did they use them on the boys, on each other, or on themselves?< Simple answer? YES. But only if you asked the right girl nicely and she liked you. Generally, they just stuck me with pins... What does that say about them/me? Eh? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jan 24 13:31:08 1999 Message-ID: <001d01be479d$5d639f00$1ec748c2@Enterprise.enterprise.net> From: "Chris Pile" To: Subject: Re: Games Ahoy! - Dyzonium query Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 13:27:47 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 899 Lines: 20 >I've played demos of both the Sam and Speccy versions of Astroball, though >I never actually bought either. I liked the game, but I was mightily >disappointed when someone said that the Space Invaders but wasn't in the >Sam version... I did buy Dyzonium, though, and consider it to be one of the >Sam's best games (not hard, considering it's competition as a >shoot-'em-up). You haven't seen DEFENDER yet then!!!! ;-) >It's nice to see that good work on a (dare I say it) defunct machine can >get you a fairly good job. Didn't Balor also work on the Playstation >'Fantastic Four' game, though..? Somewhat...less-than-Fantastic... but I >won't begrudge him that. Yes, he was the lead programmer on that one... I'm sure he won't mind you saying it was less than fantastic as he hated it!!! He also worked on the PC version of FORSAKEN, or 'Foreskin' as it was nicknamed 'in-house'!!!! Chris. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jan 24 16:32:39 1999 Subject: Re: Keyboard interface To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 16:29:46 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <002001be4804$f9a40e60$b05008c3@persona> from "David" at Jan 25, 99 01:49:40 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Gale X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1147 Lines: 22 > Did anything further happen with the keyboard i/f project? > Yep - I've got a keyboard interface that works fine. In fact, I've had it for about two years now! I was saying that I was going to design the pcb when I get my PC, which hopefully will be within a month. If not, I'll use the department's machines, but I'll have less time to tinker with it, as I'm supposed to be working! The pcb is designed on paper - it just needs drawing up properly. It's a little pcb which fits neatly between the right-hand disc drive and the 256K expansion. I could always design it on the SAM pcb designer I wrote yonks ago! It's a bit like the pcb designer that was available for the Spectrum - OK for simple pcbs. It even does double-sided! The only thing missing, though, is the print-out routine. Does anyone know where on the web I can get details of the control codes for my BJ-30 ? Some non-Canon specific ones would be best. I had a very slow routine for my LC-10 which used microfeeds to shift the paper up 1/216th of an inch at a time in order to get a nice non-dotty image, but obviously that's not going to be necessary with a bubblejet. Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jan 24 19:18:32 1999 Message-ID: <000c01be4897$42c4ae00$905008c3@persona> From: "David" To: Subject: Re: Games Ahoy! - Dyzonium query Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 19:16:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1300 Lines: 32 From: Gordon Wallis <101762.2062@compuserve.com> To: INTERNET:sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: 24 January 1999 12:42 Subject: Re: Games Ahoy! - Dyzonium query Message text written by INTERNET:sam-users@nvg.unit.no > I've played demos of both the Sam and Speccy versions of Astroball, though > I never actually bought either. I liked the game, but I was mightily > disappointed when someone said that the Space Invaders but wasn't in the > Sam version... I did buy Dyzonium, though, and consider it to be one of the > Sam's best games (not hard, considering it's competition as a > shoot-'em-up). Unfortunately... it doesn't have invaders... but the Spectrum version does do... Are you releasing this one as well Malcolm, as I'm sure a few Speccy owners might like to buy this classic title? Also the great game Balor did: Turbulence... certainly be nice to see that available again? > It's nice to see that good work on a (dare I say it) defunct machine can > get you a fairly good job. Didn't Balor also work on the Playstation > 'Fantastic Four' game, though..? Somewhat...less-than-Fantastic... but I > won't begrudge him that. Well... everyones got to start somewhere :) Dont forget that console programmers get little say in regard to the content of license titles :( From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jan 24 19:35:33 1999 Message-ID: <00c901be47d0$2e72d5c0$4ee8b094@chris> From: "Chris White" To: Subject: Re: Games Ahoy! - Dyzonium query Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 19:31:44 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 356 Lines: 16 >Unfortunately... it doesn't have invaders... but the Spectrum version does >do... I Wrote a Space Invaders for FRED??? [SNIP] >Dont forget that console programmers get little say in regard to the content >of license titles :( Yes they do. And I (as a Console Proggrammer ) only do the titles I want to write and have as much input as time allows?? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jan 24 19:43:39 1999 Message-ID: <002501be489a$d208ad20$905008c3@persona> From: "David" To: Subject: Re: Games Ahoy! - Dyzonium query Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 19:42:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 740 Lines: 27 From: Chris White To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: 24 January 1999 19:35 Subject: Re: Games Ahoy! - Dyzonium query >>Unfortunately... it doesn't have invaders... but the Spectrum version does >>do... > >I Wrote a Space Invaders for FRED??? True... although, to be honest, I've never seen it... Want to read your articles though on coding it... perhaps it'll even make sense to someone as daft as me ;) >>Dont forget that console programmers get little say in regard to the >content >>of license titles :( >Yes they do. And I (as a Console Proggrammer ) only do the titles I want to >write and have as much input as time allows?? I suppose it depends on the particular case... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jan 24 20:38:02 1999 Message-ID: <001301be47d8$fa6fede0$7dc748c2@Enterprise.enterprise.net> From: "Chris Pile" To: Subject: Re: Games Ahoy! - Dyzonium query Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 20:34:37 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 963 Lines: 27 -----Original Message----- From: Chris White To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: 24 January 1999 19:34 Subject: Re: Games Ahoy! - Dyzonium query >Yes they do. And I (as a Console Proggrammer ) only do the titles I want to >write and have as much input as time allows?? I think it probably depends on your producer/publisher and if you're doing an official license or film-licensed game. All of Balor's console games have been either one or the other. I know when Balor did 'Batman Forever' he and Probe didn't have as much input as Warner Bros..!!! Same with 'Daffy Duck' (Warner again) and 'The Pagemaster' (20th Century Fox) I remember Balor telling me about Warner and 'Fox executives throwing ideas around that the poor old 8-bitters wouldn't have had a snowballs chance of pulling off!!! ;-) At least anyone writing stuff on the SAM nowadays isn't restricted by such chronic red-tape!! ;-) Chris. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jan 24 20:51:22 1999 Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 15:45:01 -0500 From: Gordon Wallis <101762.2062@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Games Ahoy! - Dyzonium query To: "INTERNET:sam-users@nvg.unit.no" Message-ID: <199901241546_MC2-67CA-29D6@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 544 Lines: 12 Message text written by INTERNET:sam-users@nvg.unit.no >>Didn't Balor also work on the Playstation >>'Fantastic Four' game, though..? Somewhat...less-than-Fantastic... but I >>won't begrudge him that. > >Yes, he was the lead programmer on that one... I'm sure he won't mind you >saying it was less than fantastic as he hated it!!! He also worked on the >PC version of FORSAKEN, or 'Foreskin' as it was nicknamed 'in-house'!!!! Hated it as in 'the project', 'the end result' or 'the Fantastic Four in general'? And dare I ask WHY 'foreskin'? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jan 24 20:51:23 1999 Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 15:45:04 -0500 From: Gordon Wallis <101762.2062@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Games Ahoy! - Dyzonium query To: "INTERNET:sam-users@nvg.unit.no" Message-ID: <199901241546_MC2-67CA-29D8@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 894 Lines: 19 Message text written by INTERNET:sam-users@nvg.unit.no >> It's nice to see that good work on a (dare I say it) defunct machine can >> get you a fairly good job. Didn't Balor also work on the Playstation >> 'Fantastic Four' game, though..? Somewhat...less-than-Fantastic... but I >> won't begrudge him that. > >Well... everyones got to start somewhere :) >Dont forget that console programmers get little say in regard to the content >of license titles :(< Yes, but what was the designer *thinking*? Did Marvel get involved at *any* stage? I can understand that they wouldn't want to throw anything legal at Probe or their publisher over that abomination due to the legal difficulties they're (hopefully) getting through, but all the same... Gameplay like that should be taken out and shot. Visually, fairly impressive... but it played like a blind, lame, rabid, mite infested corpse of a dog. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jan 24 20:57:48 1999 Message-ID: <000f01be47db$d3a57b00$7dc748c2@Enterprise.enterprise.net> From: "Chris Pile" To: Subject: Re: Games Ahoy! - Dyzonium query Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 20:55:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 561 Lines: 19 -----Original Message----- From: Gordon Wallis <101762.2062@compuserve.com> To: INTERNET:sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: 24 January 1999 20:49 Subject: Re: Games Ahoy! - Dyzonium query >Hated it as in 'the project', 'the end result' or 'the Fantastic Four in >general'? Yes!!! All of the above!!! ;-) >And dare I ask WHY 'foreskin'? You dared!!! I don't know, probably because the spelling is similar or maybe it's the fact that (Climbs into flame-proof suit!!!) most game programmers are still children at heart!!!???? ;-) Chris. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jan 24 22:10:34 1999 Message-ID: <001201be47e5$d91b9920$77edb094@chris> From: "Chris White" To: Subject: Re: Games Ahoy! - Dyzonium query Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 22:06:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 870 Lines: 31 >I think it probably depends on your producer/publisher and if you're doing an >official license or film-licensed game. All of Balor's console games have been >either one or the other. > >I know when Balor did 'Batman Forever' he and Probe didn't have as much input as >Warner Bros..!!! Same with 'Daffy Duck' (Warner again) and 'The Pagemaster' >(20th >Century Fox) I remember Balor telling me about Warner and 'Fox executives >throwing >ideas around that the poor old 8-bitters wouldn't have had a snowballs chance of >pulling off!!! ;-) > >At least anyone writing stuff on the SAM nowadays isn't restricted by such >chronic >red-tape!! ;-) > >Chris. Strange, even when I was doing GameGear stuff for Hanna Barbara there was no probs with any concepts just the GFX had to be appoved?? But then again it does (To Some Extent) depend on the product Chris White From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 25 09:54:54 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF598CE2@saturn.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.unit.no'" Subject: RE: Midi & Stuff... Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 09:56:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1360 Lines: 37 David asked: >Very impressed to hear about the E-Tracker to Midi program... As I said before, so am I.. I'd like to see it. There's also a small problem of matching the Tracker's samples to a MIDI voice. But, that's not such a problem if you have an expensive keyboard that you can upload voices to - just convert the Tracker samples to voices and throw it up there. But I don't have such a keyboard! :( >What's the chance of doing the oppisite? Taking the raw Midi data and >creating a Pro/E-Tracker file from it? That might be an interesting problem. If my understanding is correct, Pro/E-Tracker music files are created using short patterns that are played over-and-over again in different sequences... Whilst, generally, MIDI files tend to be like one (or more if Type 1) long stream of commands. Tho, SAM Sequencer uses the same concept of patterns, aswell... (Which is why, even though my SMF -> SAM-Seq converter will be easy enough, a SAM-Seq -> SMF could turn out to be one hell of an arse-ache!) Then again, I don't really know how the SAM versions do it. Can they cope with just a long pattern per MIDI track? Again, there's the "fun" problem of creating tracker samples mimicking the keyboard voices - but, somehow, I don't think that's what you want, anyway... (more like create new samples to creat new sounds but from MIDI data) Justin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 25 10:03:01 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF598CE3@saturn.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: Replacement power-supplies Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:05:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 695 Lines: 22 People, I was just wondering about something over the weekend about the problem of cheap power supplies for the SAM. IF, you use a SCART cable from the SAM, would it be possible to just make a converter cable from an old PC powersupply into the SAM's power socket? Theoretically, it should be fine as the PC power supply gives both 12 and 5 volts supplies + the extra plugs to power the power-hungry SAM-Addons all from the one supply... The only downfall, is that, (obviously), there won't be the TV Modulator. Is that needed for SACRT broadcast??? Unfortunately, I would need to bye a SCART TV to test this if my power supply ever took to the great computer heaven in the sky... Justin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 25 10:05:41 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF598CE4@saturn.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.unit.no'" Subject: RE: Replacement power-supplies Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:08:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 97 Lines: 8 >People, [snip] Tsk.. I must learn to spell words in the early morning monday blues... Justin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 25 10:14:00 1999 Subject: Re: Replacement power-supplies To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:11:34 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF598CE3@saturn.aculab.com> from "Justin Skists" at Jan 25, 99 10:05:45 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Gale X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 757 Lines: 25 > IF, you use a SCART cable from the SAM, would it be > possible to just make a converter cable from an old > PC powersupply into the SAM's power socket? > > Theoretically, it should be fine as the PC power supply > gives both 12 and 5 volts supplies + the extra plugs > to power the power-hungry SAM-Addons all from the > one supply... I reckon it should be fine, but I did hear once that switch-mode power supplies (as in PCs) aren't happy if you leave some of the lines unloaded - eg the -15v and -12v lines. > The only downfall, is that, (obviously), there won't be > the TV Modulator. Is that needed for SACRT broadcast??? No - in fact, if you are using RGB (rather than composite) connections, then you may not even need the 12v supply! Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 25 10:39:35 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF598CE2@saturn.aculab.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:31:41 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: RE: Midi & Stuff... X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1875 Lines: 43 Justin Skists wrote: >David asked: >>What's the chance of doing the oppisite? Taking the raw Midi data and >>creating a Pro/E-Tracker file from it? > >That might be an interesting problem. If my understanding >is correct, Pro/E-Tracker music files are created using >short patterns that are played over-and-over again in >different sequences... Whilst, generally, MIDI files >tend to be like one (or more if Type 1) long stream of >commands. Tho, SAM Sequencer uses the same concept of >patterns, aswell... (Which is why, even though my SMF -> >SAM-Seq converter will be easy enough, a SAM-Seq -> SMF >could turn out to be one hell of an arse-ache!) > >Then again, I don't really know how the SAM versions do >it. Can they cope with just a long pattern per MIDI >track? No, E-Tracker and ProTracker2 both have a maximum pattern length of 64 notes. Also, MIDI files don't have to be so heavily quantized as whatever-tracker tunes. MIDI files can have many more than 6 notes playing. The MIDI instruments will be very hard to convert easily. It would be extremely difficult to write a converter which produced tracker music which actually sounded good - there's a lot more than just getting the notes in the right place, you also have to get the balance right (eg a strong bass line, usually by playing in parallel octaves, and a melody which stands out from the other tracks, usually by playing with the waveforms enabled) I've done a couple of ProTracker musics based on midi-files myself, and to be honest I don't think a converter routine would ever be able to do as good a job as a creative human. Andrew -- | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he +----------------+-----------------------------+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Mon Jan 25 10:51:08 1999 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:51:08 +0000 From: Ian Collier To: "'sam-users@nvg.unit.no'" Subject: Re: Replacement power-supplies Message-ID: <19990125105108.A6588@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: "'sam-users@nvg.unit.no'" References: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF598CE4@saturn.aculab.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF598CE4@saturn.aculab.com>; from Justin Skists on Mon, Jan 25, 1999 at 10:08:22AM -0000 Status: RO Content-Length: 263 Lines: 11 On Mon, Jan 25, 1999 at 10:08:22AM -0000, Justin Skists wrote: > >People, > Tsk.. I must learn to spell words in the early morning > monday blues... What are you wibbling about? (It's, the use, of commas, you want to be worried, about, it seems to me...) imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 25 12:30:24 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF598CE5@saturn.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.unit.no'" Subject: RE: Replacement power-supplies Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 12:31:15 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 996 Lines: 30 >I reckon it should be fine, but I did hear once that >switch-mode power supplies (as in PCs) aren't happy if >you leave some of the lines unloaded - eg the -15v and -12v >lines. So, in other words, it may be more appropriate to grab a 12v PSU from Maplin's (or somewhere), wire up an extremely simple stripboard with a 5v regulator so that the PSU can supply both 12v and 5v juice, to the SAM, in its favourite flavour (the DIN socket). Doesn't sound like a bad plan. All I need now is a SCART TV (or, maybe, my video has a SCART Aux socket), a SAM-compatible SCART cable, a PSU, some bits from Maplins, a little time and some courage. Or 25quid for a replacement PSU from Format (if they still exist) Hmmm... I'll have to keep my options open. >No - in fact, if you are using RGB (rather than composite) >connections, then you may not even need the 12v supply! I think I'd rather give it some 12v juice just so the composite bit wouldn't get fried (how likely would that be?)... Justin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 25 12:36:54 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF598CE6@saturn.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.unit.no'" Subject: RE: Midi & Stuff... Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 12:38:47 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 422 Lines: 12 Andrew Collier wrote: >I've done a couple of ProTracker musics based on midi-files myself, and to >be honest I don't think a converter routine would ever be able to do as >good a job as a creative human. I'm inclined to agree here. Besides, I'm still trying to sit down and develop the application platform for my standard MIDI file player. (Just the disk access, memory allocation, and multitasking to go....) Justin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 25 12:51:55 1999 Subject: Re: Replacement power-supplies To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 12:40:15 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF598CE5@saturn.aculab.com> from "Justin Skists" at Jan 25, 99 12:31:15 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Gale X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 799 Lines: 24 > Doesn't sound like a bad plan. All I need now is a > SCART TV (or, maybe, my video has a SCART Aux socket), > a SAM-compatible SCART cable, a PSU, some bits from > Maplins, a little time and some courage. > Or you could always crack open the SAM PSU and connect the modulator in its own box (or to the scart socket). Perhaps I'll open up my psu and work out which wires go where and post the details on nvg. > I think I'd rather give it some 12v juice just so the > composite bit wouldn't get fried (how likely would that > be?)... > Dunno. Several people have suffered from "colour loss" and it's turned out to be lack of 12v supply. I think Ian or Andrew had this problem. Was the colour restored when the 12v came back? In other words, did the lack of 12v knacker the colour encoder? Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 25 12:57:10 1999 From: "David Laundon" To: Subject: RE: Midi & Stuff... Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 12:42:31 -0000 Message-ID: <000001be4860$2c9dc530$0304a8c0@eccles.catalyst> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF598CE2@saturn.aculab.com> Importance: Normal X-Server: VPOP3 V1.3.0 - Registered to: Steven J. Jeffery X-Organisation: Catalyst Computer Systems Ltd. X-Web: Visit our Web Page at http://www.catalyst-uk.com X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1805 Lines: 47 > David asked: > > >Very impressed to hear about the E-Tracker to Midi program... Justin replied... > As I said before, so am I.. I'd like to see it. Thanks both! ;) > There's also a small problem of matching the Tracker's > samples to a MIDI voice. But, that's not such a problem > if you have an expensive keyboard that you can upload > voices to - just convert the Tracker samples to voices > and throw it up there. But I don't have such a keyboard! :( Well, neither do I; in any case, I'm not sure how you'd go about converting an E-Tracker Instrument to a wave form. BTW, my program doesn't actually convert an E-Tracker file to a MIDI file, it just translates the E-Tracker file as it plays the music. Basically it works like this... (now, how basic shall I make this? :) Each of the 6 E-Tracks is given a MIDI-channel and each E-Instrument is given either a program number to send to the current E-Tracks MIDI-channel or its own MIDI-channel to use directly. It's left to the user to decide what instrument the E-Instrument is supposed to sound like and select the program number as required. As for E-Trackers ornaments; these can be translated to upto 3 simultaneous notes for converting the often used arpeggios into proper chords, but other effects are hard to reproduce. At the moment I'm working on the interrupt routines that drive the MIDI output, so that when a MIDI interrupt occurs at the same time as a FRAME or LINE interrupt it doesn't get missed. This has been made more difficult by the fact that the MIDI interrupt signal only seems to last about half the length of time as the others do (is this normal, or just my machine?)! Anyway, that got a bit more technical than I planned. If anyone would like to see it as it stands, let me know. > Justin > David Laundon. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 25 13:23:39 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF598CE7@saturn.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.unit.no'" Subject: RE: Replacement power-supplies Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 13:23:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1104 Lines: 31 > From: Andrew Gale > >> Doesn't sound like a bad plan. All I need now is a >> SCART TV (or, maybe, my video has a SCART Aux socket), >> a SAM-compatible SCART cable, a PSU, some bits from >> Maplins, a little time and some courage. > >Or you could always crack open the SAM PSU and connect the >modulator in its own box (or to the scart socket). Perhaps >I'll open up my psu and work out which wires go where and >post the details on nvg. I think my idea was more of a back-up plan incase my SAM PSU goes up-the-spout and Format runs out of them. But, the more I think of it, the more I want a cleaner TV picture from my SAM. I'm fed up with the wavey interference-type lines (no matter how I twiddle the modulator and retune my telly) and the shimmering blurred effect. I am hoping that connecting the SAM to my video (assuming it has an AUX SCART socket - Please, God!!!), with a cable that I intend on buying from Format,WCC or whoever, SHOULD give me a better looking screen - even though my TV is not a SCART one. Yay or Nay? (Why didn't I think of doing something like this sooner?) Justin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 25 13:36:43 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF598CE8@saturn.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.unit.no'" Subject: RE: Midi & Stuff... Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 13:37:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1019 Lines: 31 > From: David Laundon > >BTW, my program doesn't actually convert an E-Tracker file to a MIDI file, >it just translates the E-Tracker file as it plays the music. > >Basically it works like this... (now, how basic shall I make this? :) [snip] I understand what you mean now. It sounds as though, if you wanted, you could use the E-Tracker editor to create a MIDI-based song. >At the moment I'm working on the interrupt routines that drive the MIDI >output, so that when a MIDI interrupt occurs at the same time as a FRAME or >LINE interrupt it doesn't get missed. This has been made more difficult by >the fact that the MIDI interrupt signal only seems to last about half the >length of time as the others do (is this normal, or just my machine?)! My advice to you would be to page out the ROM completely and just have your own ISR routines. >Anyway, that got a bit more technical than I planned. If anyone would like >to see it as it stands, let me know. Umm... I don't actually have E-Tracker. :( Justin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 25 13:50:38 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF598CE5@saturn.aculab.com> from "Justin Skists" at Jan 25, 99 12:31:15 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 13:41:48 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Replacement power-supplies X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 823 Lines: 22 Andrew Gale wrote: >Dunno. Several people have suffered from "colour loss" and >it's turned out to be lack of 12v supply. I think Ian or >Andrew had this problem. Was the colour restored when >the 12v came back? In other words, did the lack of 12v knacker >the colour encoder? The screen was totally dead without a 12V line. But I was using the composite SCART connection, not the seperated rgb lines. My previous PSU did screw the colours up, but the output voltages seemed to be normal, and I never bothered to investigate the problem too closely. Andrew -- | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he +----------------+-----------------------------+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 25 14:01:51 1999 Subject: Re: Replacement power-supplies To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 13:53:28 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: from "Andrew Collier" at Jan 25, 99 01:41:48 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Gale X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 289 Lines: 7 > The screen was totally dead without a 12V line. But I was using the > composite SCART connection, not the seperated rgb lines. > Thinking about it, even RGB connections still need the composite video signal for synchronisation..... so ignore my comments about not needing the 12v line! From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Mon Jan 25 14:37:06 1999 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:37:06 +0000 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Replacement power-supplies Message-ID: <19990125143705.D6588@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no References: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF598CE5@saturn.aculab.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Andrew Gale on Mon, Jan 25, 1999 at 12:40:15PM +0000 Status: RO Content-Length: 1043 Lines: 23 On Mon, Jan 25, 1999 at 12:40:15PM +0000, Andrew Gale wrote: > Or you could always crack open the SAM PSU and connect the > modulator in its own box (or to the scart socket). Or get a modulator from Maplin (assuming they still have them). > > Dunno. Several people have suffered from "colour loss" and > it's turned out to be lack of 12v supply. I think Ian or > Andrew had this problem. I had a mono sam for a while, due to crystal rot. It came back when I replaced the crystal. I don't think Andrew has had any problem with the 12V supply except that time when an incompetant repair person replaced the 12V zener with a regular diode, causing the voltage to go sky high. The Sam still worked though, until it unexpectedly blew up while I was fiddling with it (whether it was the fiddling or the voltage or both that caused it is unknown). I had a problem with the 12V on my +3 PSU, which I always fixed by kicking it until I found the dry joint on a capacitor leg. The only thing which that seemed to affect was the MIDI signal. imc From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Mon Jan 25 14:40:09 1999 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:40:09 +0000 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Replacement power-supplies Message-ID: <19990125144009.E6588@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Andrew Gale on Mon, Jan 25, 1999 at 01:53:28PM +0000 Status: RO Content-Length: 468 Lines: 11 On Mon, Jan 25, 1999 at 01:53:28PM +0000, Andrew Gale wrote: > Thinking about it, even RGB connections still need the composite > video signal for synchronisation..... so ignore my comments about > not needing the 12v line! Surely it's the composite sync they need, not the composite video - a different thing entirely. The main job of the MC1377P is turning the RGB signals into a chroma and luma signal; I'm fairly sure the sync is created by something else. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 25 14:47:55 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF598CE9@saturn.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.unit.no'" Subject: RE: Replacement power-supplies Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:43:47 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 212 Lines: 11 > From: Andrew Gale > >Thinking about it, even RGB connections still need the composite >video signal for synchronisation..... so ignore my comments about >not needing the 12v line! *grins* Okay. :) Justin. From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Mon Jan 25 14:54:50 1999 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:54:50 +0000 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Midi & Stuff... Message-ID: <19990125145450.F6588@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no References: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF598CE2@saturn.aculab.com> <000001be4860$2c9dc530$0304a8c0@eccles.catalyst> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <000001be4860$2c9dc530$0304a8c0@eccles.catalyst>; from David Laundon on Mon, Jan 25, 1999 at 12:42:31PM -0000 Status: RO Content-Length: 1034 Lines: 19 On Mon, Jan 25, 1999 at 12:42:31PM -0000, David Laundon wrote: > At the moment I'm working on the interrupt routines that drive the MIDI > output, so that when a MIDI interrupt occurs at the same time as a FRAME or > LINE interrupt it doesn't get missed. This has been made more difficult by > the fact that the MIDI interrupt signal only seems to last about half the > length of time as the others do (is this normal, or just my machine?)! I don't think that's true, but anyway the MIDI interrupts are not essential, and their usefulness is somewhat reduced if you have to handle other kinds of interrupts going on at the same time. Unless your program needs to multitask I would ignore the MIDI output interrupt entirely and just code a busy loop before each output. There was a discussion of this last year (1998-06b, archive fans) in which I discovered the correct way to use the MIDI input interrupt, and posted the following pseudo-code for outputting a byte. putbyte: wait until in(248)&2 = 0 then output to port 253 imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 25 15:04:39 1999 Subject: Re: Replacement power-supplies To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:55:22 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <19990125144009.E6588@comlab.ox.ac.uk> from "Ian Collier" at Jan 25, 99 02:40:09 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Gale X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 648 Lines: 14 > Surely it's the composite sync they need, not the composite video - > a different thing entirely. The main job of the MC1377P is turning > the RGB signals into a chroma and luma signal; I'm fairly sure the > sync is created by something else. > There's a composite sync line that comes from the ASIC, but that's at TTL (0v, +5v) level. I assumed that most analogue monitors would want a composite level signal (1v pk-pk). I used a TTL (a cub microvitec) monitor with my sam once... you'd be surprised how well most software worked with just 8 colours! I don't quite know what that's got to do with the price of fish, but there you go.... Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 25 15:13:38 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF598CEA@saturn.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.unit.no'" Subject: RE: Midi & Stuff... Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 15:10:36 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1142 Lines: 32 > From: Ian Collier > >I don't think that's true, but anyway the MIDI interrupts are not essential, >and their usefulness is somewhat reduced if you have to handle other >kinds of interrupts going on at the same time. The MIDI-In interrupt is useful. :) But, with the MIDI-Out interrupt, I agree. In fact, depending on your interpretation of the Tech Manual, MIDI Out doesn't generate and INT signal...(?) >Unless your program >needs to multitask I would ignore the MIDI output interrupt entirely >and just code a busy loop before each output. There was a discussion >of this last year (1998-06b, archive fans) in which I discovered the >correct way to use the MIDI input interrupt, and posted the following >pseudo-code for outputting a byte. > >putbyte: wait until in(248)&2 = 0 then output to port 253 I agree with that. (That discussion was about the MIDI In for my MIDI-Bar proggy... :) ) Even if your program does want to do something whilst it's waiting to spurt something out, just do a simple check on the MIDI Out line of the Status byte: if the byte has been sent, send another byte else do something else... Justin. > imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Jan 25 20:51:33 1999 Message-ID: <002e01be496d$6fe516a0$905008c3@persona> From: "David" To: Subject: Re: Midi & Stuff... Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:49:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 287 Lines: 10 From: Justin Skists To: 'sam-users@nvg.unit.no' Date: 25 January 1999 13:36 Subject: RE: Midi & Stuff... >Umm... I don't actually have E-Tracker. :( I believe this should be a cue for Malcolm here to say where to get it from... !!! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 26 01:09:19 1999 Message-ID: <19990126010708.28261.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.77] From: "Simon Cooke" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Midi & Stuff... Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 17:07:08 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1040 Lines: 29 >The MIDI-In interrupt is useful. :) >But, with the MIDI-Out interrupt, I agree. In fact, depending >on your interpretation of the Tech Manual, MIDI Out doesn't >generate and INT signal...(?) Umm... actually, how you should probably do it is this: Assuming that you control all interrupts, etc: At startup, wait at least 2 frames (this gives the MIDI system time to output the data - it's 31.765 or so kHZ, so 2 frames is ample). Set a flag to true (MIDI system can send data). Then, when you want to send data through the MIDI, check the flag. If true, set it to false and then OUT to the MIDI port. If false, wait until it's true (spinlock, or alternatively, just HALT). In your interrupt driver, when you get a MIDI OUT interrupt, set the flag to TRUE. You don't have to do anything else. Though you could tie it to the COMMS interface's timer using the Mouse/COMMS interrupt for more accurate MIDI timings. Si ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 26 01:13:24 1999 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 01:11:17 +0000 (BST) From: Dave Hooper To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Midi & Stuff... In-Reply-To: <19990126010708.28261.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 311 Lines: 10 > At startup, wait at least 2 frames (this gives the MIDI system time to > output the data - it's 31.765 or so kHZ, so 2 frames is ample). is midi REALLY 31.765 kHz? i never thought it was anything like that quick. (oh, that's probably in terms of bits, right? 31000 baud or something? not midi bytes) dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 26 10:17:35 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF598CED@saturn.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.unit.no'" Subject: RE: Midi & Stuff... Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 10:18:43 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 452 Lines: 13 > From: David >>Umm... I don't actually have E-Tracker. :( > >I believe this should be a cue for Malcolm here to say where to get it >from... !!! In that case, I think I know where. It's just, that when it comes down to music, I'm not the most talented person in the world. Actually, I must be the only person in the world who knows the MIDI protocol to quite great detail but unable to play a single instrument to a satisfactory degree. :) Justin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 26 10:23:28 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF598CEE@saturn.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.unit.no'" Subject: RE: Midi & Stuff... Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 10:26:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 339 Lines: 11 > From: Dave Hooper >is midi REALLY 31.765 kHz? i never thought it was anything like that >quick. >(oh, that's probably in terms of bits, right? 31000 baud or something? >not midi bytes) Yep. It really is that fast... 31250 baud It's derived (divided by 256) from the 8Mhz clock source in the SAM...(fyti - for your trivial info) Justin From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Tue Jan 26 10:34:10 1999 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 10:34:10 +0000 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Midi & Stuff... Message-ID: <19990126103409.A10764@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no References: <19990126010708.28261.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <19990126010708.28261.qmail@hotmail.com>; from Simon Cooke on Mon, Jan 25, 1999 at 05:07:08PM -0800 Status: RO Content-Length: 1105 Lines: 27 On Mon, Jan 25, 1999 at 05:07:08PM -0800, Simon Cooke wrote: > >But, with the MIDI-Out interrupt, I agree. In fact, depending > >on your interpretation of the Tech Manual, MIDI Out doesn't > >generate and INT signal...(?) > Umm... actually, how you should probably do it is this: > At startup, wait at least 2 frames (this gives the MIDI system time to > output the data - it's 31.765 or so kHZ, so 2 frames is ample). If it is at startup then what data is there to output? > Set a flag to true (MIDI system can send data). > Then, when you want to send data through the MIDI, check the flag. If > true, set it to false and then OUT to the MIDI port. If false, wait > until it's true (spinlock, or alternatively, just HALT). > In your interrupt driver, when you get a MIDI OUT interrupt, set the > flag to TRUE. The point is that (a) the MIDI OUT interrupt is quite difficult to catch if there are line and frame interrupts going on as well because you coul easily miss one while the interrupts are disabled; and (b) you don't need that flag because in(248) already contains one (bit 1). imc From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Tue Jan 26 10:42:14 1999 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 10:42:14 +0000 From: Ian Collier To: "'sam-users@nvg.unit.no'" Subject: Re: Midi & Stuff... Message-ID: <19990126104214.C10764@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: "'sam-users@nvg.unit.no'" References: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF598CEE@saturn.aculab.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF598CEE@saturn.aculab.com>; from Justin Skists on Tue, Jan 26, 1999 at 10:26:18AM -0000 Status: RO Content-Length: 314 Lines: 9 On Tue, Jan 26, 1999 at 10:26:18AM -0000, Justin Skists wrote: > Yep. It really is that fast... 31250 baud > It's derived (divided by 256) from the 8Mhz clock source in > the SAM...(fyti - for your trivial info) It's not *that* fast - the Speccy has 112 whole clock cycles in which to transmit each bit. :-) imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 26 10:56:35 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF598CF0@saturn.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.unit.no'" Subject: RE: Midi & Stuff... Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 10:52:06 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 532 Lines: 16 > From: Ian Collier > >On Tue, Jan 26, 1999 at 10:26:18AM -0000, Justin Skists wrote: >> Yep. It really is that fast... 31250 baud >> It's derived (divided by 256) from the 8Mhz clock source in >> the SAM...(fyti - for your trivial info) > >It's not *that* fast - the Speccy has 112 whole clock cycles in >which to transmit each bit. :-) I never meant that 31k25 baud was fast... I was telling the previous poster that it was as fast as it is. (I interpreted that he thought the MIDI baud rate was a lot lower - possibly) Justin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 26 12:15:40 1999 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 12:09:18 +0000 (BST) From: Dave Hooper To: "'sam-users@nvg.unit.no'" cc: 9531427@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk Subject: RE: Midi & Stuff... In-Reply-To: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF598CF0@saturn.aculab.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 422 Lines: 12 what it was, was that i wasn't sure whether the quoted speed (31.something kHz) referred to byte transfer rate or bit transfer rate. i should've really worked out it was bits since midi is serial, and i'm stupid. > I never meant that 31k25 baud was fast... I was telling > the previous poster that it was as fast as it is. (I > interpreted that he thought the MIDI baud rate was a lot > lower - possibly) > > Justin > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 26 13:05:48 1999 From: "David Laundon" To: Subject: RE: Midi & Stuff... Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 12:07:05 -0000 Message-ID: <000001be4924$64466d60$0304a8c0@eccles.catalyst> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <19990126103409.A10764@comlab.ox.ac.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal X-Server: VPOP3 V1.3.0 - Registered to: Steven J. Jeffery X-Organisation: Catalyst Computer Systems Ltd. X-Web: Visit our Web Page at http://www.catalyst-uk.com X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1383 Lines: 33 > > Set a flag to true (MIDI system can send data). > > > Then, when you want to send data through the MIDI, check the flag. If > > true, set it to false and then OUT to the MIDI port. If false, wait > > until it's true (spinlock, or alternatively, just HALT). > > > In your interrupt driver, when you get a MIDI OUT interrupt, set the > > flag to TRUE. > > The point is that (a) the MIDI OUT interrupt is quite difficult to catch > if there are line and frame interrupts going on as well because you coul > easily miss one while the interrupts are disabled; and (b) you don't need > that flag because in(248) already contains one (bit 1). > > imc > Thanks Ian, you beat be to it there. My interrupt handler works like this at the minute... At the start of the routine it checks STAT in a loop until any signals have ceased then re-enables interrupts straight away. This way a MIDI OUT int can occur at exactly the same time as a FRAME or LINE, or overlap by just a few T's, and one of the checks of STAT should catch it. Also, due to the problem that my MIDI ints don't seem to last very long (honest!) if the initial read of STAT reveals no int signals present, a MIDI OUT int is assumed (this means there should be nothing plugged in to the MIDI IN port, to avoid upsetting things!). This now seems to work and has stopped the chain of MIDI OUTs being lost. David Laundon. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 26 19:20:20 1999 From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: <53767962.36ae1348@aol.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 14:11:04 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: THE NSSS Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1268 Lines: 31 In a message dated 24/01/99 11:39:15, you write: > >David Tonks has asked me to explain why he did not attend the last >Gloucester show. >He say`s he was phoned on the Friday before the show, asking if he was >going, he said he wasn`t, he was then told he could have a free stall, he >still said that he could not attend, the reason being that he was asked to >work on the Saturday and therefore it was a question of going to the show >and possibly losing money, or working and making money, and as Dave >explained, his family & his job come before anything else. > > Untrue. All regular stall holders had been offered a free stand at the October show as our way of saying thanks for their past support [we ourselves had been given the hall free for the day for a similar reason]. Having had no reply from the letter, Jean Tonks was phoned (IIRC about two weeks before the show) and she confirmed that they would be coming. Jean has always been the person who dealt with the shows, not Dave. We had no reason to believe they were not coming and space was left for them right up to the last moment. Needless to say we were a little angry on the day as this was not the first time that they had said they were coming to a show and then failed to arrive. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 26 20:15:32 1999 From: "Robert van der Veeke" To: Subject: Re: THE NSSS Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 21:11:57 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19990126201227.7D2062730@maillist.kabelfoon.nl> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1981 Lines: 54 > Van: BrenchleyR@aol.com > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Onderwerp: Re: THE NSSS > Datum: Tuesday, January 26, 1999 8:11 > > In a message dated 24/01/99 11:39:15, you write: > >David Tonks has asked me to explain why he did not attend the last > >Gloucester show. > >He say`s he was phoned on the Friday before the show, asking if he was > >going, he said he wasn`t, he was then told he could have a free stall, he > >still said that he could not attend, the reason being that he was asked to > >work on the Saturday and therefore it was a question of going to the show > >and possibly losing money, or working and making money, and as Dave > >explained, his family & his job come before anything else. > Untrue. Give me one good reason why i shoud believe you instead of Malcom. Did you know it is rather bad manners to chop the name of the one you are replying to of this email. Having had no reply from the letter, Jean Tonks was phoned (IIRC about two > weeks before the show) and she confirmed that they would be coming. Jean has > always been the person who dealt with the shows, not Dave. We had no reason to > believe they were not coming and space was left for them right up to the last > moment. Needless to say we were a little angry on the day as this was not the > first time that they had said they were coming to a show and then failed to > arrive. So did you asked them after the show why they did not come? They could have a very good reason for not attending the show. But from your story there is no way telling if you ever asked them, why not? Therefore this is a rather strange reply because you have no clue whatsoever in why they did not come to the show and only used it as a excuse (being a rather pathetic one) in trying to blame Malcom that he is telling a untrue story. -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Currently listening to : Bannoubunka Nekomusume - My Dearest friends From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 26 20:33:43 1999 From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:30:32 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Replacement power-supplies Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1380 Lines: 47 In a message dated 25/01/99 12:30:49, you write: >) > >>I reckon it should be fine, but I did hear once that >>switch-mode power supplies (as in PCs) aren't happy if >>you leave some of the lines unloaded - eg the -15v and -12v >>lines. Never had trouble with the two PC PSUs I've used. > >So, in other words, it may be more appropriate to grab >a 12v PSU from Maplin's (or somewhere), wire up an >extremely simple stripboard with a 5v regulator so that >the PSU can supply both 12v and 5v juice, to the SAM, >in its favourite flavour (the DIN socket). > >Doesn't sound like a bad plan. All I need now is a >SCART TV (or, maybe, my video has a SCART Aux socket), >a SAM-compatible SCART cable, a PSU, some bits from >Maplins, a little time and some courage. Cheaper to get a second hand PSU from a PC. > >Or 25quid for a replacement PSU from Format (if they >still exist) They do :) > >Hmmm... I'll have to keep my options open. > > >>No - in fact, if you are using RGB (rather than composite) >>connections, then you may not even need the 12v supply! > >I think I'd rather give it some 12v juice just so the >composite bit wouldn't get fried (how likely would that >be?)... No, the Elite has always been sold with no guarantee that the 12v is working on the PSU, this is because it is sold as a Scart machine. The missing 12v has no effect on the 1377. > >Justin -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 26 20:37:06 1999 From: BrenchleyR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:33:34 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Replacement power-supplies Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5.i for Windows sub 18 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 654 Lines: 21 In a message dated 25/01/99 14:50:36, you write: >On Mon, Jan 25, 1999 at 01:53:28PM +0000, Andrew Gale wrote: >> Thinking about it, even RGB connections still need the composite >> video signal for synchronisation..... so ignore my comments about >> not needing the 12v line! > >Surely it's the composite sync they need, not the composite video - >a different thing entirely. The main job of the MC1377P is turning >the RGB signals into a chroma and luma signal; I'm fairly sure the >sync is created by something else. > >imc > > Indeed, the 1377 is just a D-to-A converter. There is even a version of the chip that does not need the 12v. -- Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 26 21:17:22 1999 Message-ID: <003001be4a3a$428dcb20$9c5008c3@persona> From: "David" To: Subject: Re: THE NSSS Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:16:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id VAA27869 Status: RO Content-Length: 377 Lines: 20 From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: 26 January 1999 20:15 Subject: Re: THE NSSS >> Van: BrenchleyR@aol.com >> Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no >> Onderwerp: Re: THE NSSS >> Datum: Tuesday, January 26, 1999 8:11 [big snip] Does the clause for £50 penalty if you don't turn up hold for free tables I wonder? :) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 26 21:34:14 1999 Message-ID: <003f01be4a3c$b2e81540$9c5008c3@persona> From: "David" To: Subject: Re: THE NSSS Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:33:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 515 Lines: 19 From: Robert van der Veeke To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: 26 January 1999 20:15 Subject: Re: THE NSSS >> Van: BrenchleyR@aol.com >> Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no >> Onderwerp: Re: THE NSSS >> Datum: Tuesday, January 26, 1999 8:11 >Give me one good reason why i shoud believe you instead of Malcom. Did you >know it is rather bad manners to chop the name of the one you are replying >to of this email. At least there's no long .sigs on this posting ... ;) Sorry Bob :) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 26 22:07:30 1999 From: "Robert van der Veeke" To: Subject: Re: THE NSSS Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 23:03:22 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Message-Id: <19990126220349.AE4F4275F@maillist.kabelfoon.nl> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id WAA28954 Status: RO Content-Length: 807 Lines: 22 > Van: David > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Onderwerp: Re: THE NSSS > Datum: Wednesday, January 27, 1999 10:16 > Does the clause for £50 penalty if you don't turn up hold for free tables I > wonder? I actually don't see the point why Bob should be angry, ok it is annoying when somebody does not shouw up after they made a promise, but like i said earlier there could be a very good reason for it. -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Currently listening to : Bannoubunka Nekomusume - My Dearest friends Currently listening to: DutchTone, the best commercials of 1999 yet, starring Leslie Nielsen yes, and a very boring commercial by Microsoft that says that All computers users should do something before the year 2000, for example buying M$office :) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 26 22:47:26 1999 Message-ID: <000201be497d$af261200$2138883e@i4d4f6> From: "Malcolm Mackenzie" To: "Sam users" Subject: NSSS Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 22:31:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 819 Lines: 23 Dear Sammers, I was asked by Dave Tonks to put a statement out, this I did. I am neutral in this matter (others may think differently if they wish, that is entirely up to them), and we will print both statements in our magazine, if the respective parties wish us to do so. The views expressed by Dave Tonk`s are his, and his alone, so please don`t shoot the messenger. As for myself, I would love to attend the Gloucester show, but a long standing hate campaign between the editor of Blitz and Format magazine`s has prevented this from happening. I will, and always have, stuck by my friends, but I am not, and never will be held responsible for thier personal views. I have in the last week or so directed two people Bob`s way regarding spare parts for thier machines, which Bob I`m sure will confirm. M.D.L.M From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 26 22:47:26 1999 Message-ID: <19990126224307.7125.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.70] From: "Simon Cooke" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: RE: Midi & Stuff... Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 14:43:06 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 3056 Lines: 98 >> The point is that (a) the MIDI OUT interrupt is quite difficult to catch >> if there are line and frame interrupts going on as well because you coul >> easily miss one while the interrupts are disabled; and (b) you don't need >> that flag because in(248) already contains one (bit 1). >> >> imc >> > >Thanks Ian, you beat be to it there. > >My interrupt handler works like this at the minute... Hmmm... personally, I'd do it like this: int.handler: PUSH AF IN A,(INTSTAT) BIT 2,A ; midi out bit? can't remember CALL NZ,midiout RRA CALL NC,lineint BIT 2,A ; now check for frame interrupt... EI JP NZ,exitint ; we've done all the short interrupts, so re-enable frame: ; this is more longwinded and complicated, so... frameflag: LD A,0x00 ; check if we're already in frame handler OR A ;if so, early abort JP NZ,exitallint CPL LD (frameflag:d),A ; push everything we need onto the stack, and do our ; frame interrupt stuff ;... and then clear frameint flag DI ;just in case... we don't want to nest, so make sure ;that we have a clean stack - this way, interrupts ;won't come back until AFTER the RET at the end of ;the routine XOR A LD (frameflag:d),A exitint: POP AF EI ;inexpensive safety check RET midiout: PUSH AF XOR A LD (outmididata:d),A ;reset the "wait" flag. exitmidi: POP AF RET line: ; only do simple stuff here... PUSH AF ;blah POP AF RET ; Return NZ if not ready to output data version outmididatanz: LD A,(outmididata:d) OR A RET NZ JR outmidi ; Spinlock version of midi out routine outmididata: LD A,0x00 OR A JP NZ,outmididata ;data already queued, so spin round outmidi: CPL LD (outmididata:d),A LD A,E OUT (MIDIOUT),A RET I don't have my tech manual in the office, so I can't look up that flag; however, this routine could be easily modified to use it. You could, of course, also build your own FIFO for the MIDI OUT interrupt to use. It's similar logic - you have to make sure that your starting conditions are correct though. Also, the frame interrupt trick is very handy - that way you can do all your key checking every frame (which is necessary for good key response - 25Hz gives dropped keys, at least for me), and mouse checks, etc etc without dropping other interrupts. I used this in TERMITE, and it works decidedly well - even at 57,600KHz. Simon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 26 22:50:14 1999 Message-ID: <19990126224817.15839.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.70] From: "Simon Cooke" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Replacement power-supplies Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 14:48:17 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 924 Lines: 22 >Indeed, the 1377 is just a D-to-A converter. There is even a version of the >chip that does not need the 12v. Well, that's probably because it has an electron pump in there to generate the 12V internally. SCART only machines are great - the composite sync is generated by the SAM's motherboard, the RGB values are generated by the resistors on the board. Why not just rip out the MC1377P entirely? After all, that's what you've effectively done by getting rid of the 12V supply. Not only that, but you may be causing latch-up effects in the chip that under some circumstances could cause it to blow. Some TV's will only accept composite video over SCART - they ignore the RGB lines - and I'm willing to bet you a big mac or something that SAMs with this particular kludge won't work on those. Simon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 26 22:52:47 1999 Message-ID: <19990126225013.3304.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.70] From: "Simon Cooke" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: RE: Midi & Stuff... Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 14:50:12 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 182 Lines: 7 Oops. That first EI should probably be after the frameflag check. Si ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 26 23:23:03 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19990126224817.15839.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 23:17:18 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Replacement power-supplies X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1438 Lines: 30 Simon Cooke said: >SCART only machines are great - the composite sync is generated by the >SAM's motherboard, the RGB values are generated by the resistors on the >board. Why not just rip out the MC1377P entirely? After all, that's what >you've effectively done by getting rid of the 12V supply. Not only that, >but you may be causing latch-up effects in the chip that under some >circumstances could cause it to blow. > >Some TV's will only accept composite video over SCART - they ignore the >RGB lines - and I'm willing to bet you a big mac or something that SAMs >with this particular kludge won't work on those. My big Mac has UHF coded input, composite video input and no seperate RGB inputs. (Not true actually, there's an S-Video port, but as far as I know it is not possible to wire a plug directly from RGB to S-Video.) My greenscreen monitor also connects to the composite video signal. My Sam produces no composite video output signal if the 12V is not present. Without it my Sam is not functional to any useful extent. And if I bought a new PSU then Format wouldn't guarantee the 12V line? Boy, am I glad I bought those Greenweld PSUs as soon as I did. Andrew -- | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he +----------------+-----------------------------+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 26 23:25:49 1999 Message-ID: <001901be4a4c$77f0eb00$975008c3@persona> From: "David" To: Subject: Re: Replacement power-supplies Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 23:26:28 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 400 Lines: 14 From: Andrew Collier To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: 26 January 1999 23:22 Subject: Re: Replacement power-supplies >My big Mac has UHF coded input, composite video input and no seperate RGB >inputs. (Not true actually, there's an S-Video port, but as far as I know My Big Mac only has meat, cheese and flavourings.... Sorry! I just couldn't resist it! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Jan 26 23:51:10 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001901be4a4c$77f0eb00$975008c3@persona> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 23:46:58 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Replacement power-supplies X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 863 Lines: 25 David Ledbury wrote: >From: Andrew Collier >>My big Mac has UHF coded input, composite video input and no seperate RGB >>inputs. (Not true actually, there's an S-Video port, but as far as I know > >My Big Mac only has meat, cheese and flavourings.... What about the lettuce? The pickles? The bun? Anyway, my Mac it has compsite video inputs. Composite video inputs has my Mac. And if it's not composite video inputs, then it is not my Mac. Or something. >Sorry! I just couldn't resist it! But my big Mac pun was already in response to Simon's reference to the burger.... Andrew -- | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he +----------------+-----------------------------+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Wed Jan 27 00:14:44 1999 Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 00:14:44 +0000 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Replacement power-supplies Message-ID: <19990127001444.A13404@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: ; from BrenchleyR@aol.com on Tue, Jan 26, 1999 at 03:33:34PM -0500 Status: RO Content-Length: 428 Lines: 10 On Tue, Jan 26, 1999 at 03:33:34PM -0500, BrenchleyR@aol.com wrote: > Indeed, the 1377 is just a D-to-A converter. D-to-A converter? You can do that with resistors (as I know because I made a cable to feed a monochrome signal into my video from the +3 RGB socket). The 1377 also has to do the colour bursts and the alternating phase and stuff like that. It also modulates the chroma signal on to a 4.433619MHz carrier. imc From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Wed Jan 27 00:21:03 1999 Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 00:21:03 +0000 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Replacement power-supplies Message-ID: <19990127002103.B13404@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no References: <19990126224817.15839.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <19990126224817.15839.qmail@hotmail.com>; from Simon Cooke on Tue, Jan 26, 1999 at 02:48:17PM -0800 Status: RO Content-Length: 869 Lines: 19 On Tue, Jan 26, 1999 at 02:48:17PM -0800, Simon Cooke wrote: > SCART only machines are great - the composite sync is generated by the > SAM's motherboard, the RGB values are generated by the resistors on the > board. Why not just rip out the MC1377P entirely? Because... > Some TV's will only accept composite video over SCART - they ignore the > RGB lines - and I'm willing to bet you a big mac or something that SAMs > with this particular kludge won't work on those. Some (possibly even most) VCRs also only accept composite video. There is no reason why they would ever want to see an R, G or B signal (and, in answer to Andrew's point about the S-video connection, I believe the only difference is that with composite video the chroma is modulated on to a carrier and mixed in with the luma whereas with S-video you get the two along separate wires). imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 27 00:40:53 1999 Message-ID: <001001be4a56$b9c6a9c0$b15008c3@persona> From: "David" To: Subject: Re: Replacement power-supplies Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 00:39:54 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 393 Lines: 15 From: Andrew Collier To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: 26 January 1999 23:51 Subject: Re: Replacement power-supplies >David Ledbury wrote: >But my big Mac pun was already in response to Simon's reference to the >burger.... AH.... but that hadn't turned up for me at that time ... so that effectively means I jumped in first with it... Or something From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 27 00:48:27 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001001be4a56$b9c6a9c0$b15008c3@persona> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 00:44:17 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Replacement power-supplies X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 637 Lines: 21 David Ledbury wrote: >From: Andrew Collier >>David Ledbury wrote: >>But my big Mac pun was already in response to Simon's reference to the >>burger.... > >AH.... but that hadn't turned up for me at that time ... so that effectively >means I jumped in first with it... > >Or something Yeah, except I quoted that part of Simon's message. Nice try... Andrew -- | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he +----------------+-----------------------------+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 27 00:52:15 1999 Message-ID: <001d01be4a58$4ff53500$b15008c3@persona> From: "David" To: Subject: Re: NSSS Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 00:51:15 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 674 Lines: 22 From: Malcolm Mackenzie To: Sam users Date: 26 January 1999 23:35 Subject: NSSS >As for myself, I would love to attend the Gloucester show, but a long >standing hate campaign between the editor of Blitz and Format magazine`s has >prevented this from happening. Oy! I've got nothing against BB... well, not so much really! And I've even pointed people towards BB if they're on the lookout for SAM's as well...! >I have in the last week or so directed two people Bob`s way regarding spare >parts for thier machines, which Bob I`m sure will confirm. Ditto... but more than about 15-20 odd at last estimate... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 27 00:52:16 1999 Message-ID: <002201be4a58$7816f320$b15008c3@persona> From: "David" To: Subject: Re: Replacement power-supplies Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 00:52:23 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 453 Lines: 20 From: Andrew Collier To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: 27 January 1999 00:48 Subject: Re: Replacement power-supplies >David Ledbury wrote: >>AH.... but that hadn't turned up for me at that time ... so that effectively >>means I jumped in first with it... >> >>Or something > >Yeah, except I quoted that part of Simon's message. Nice try... Errr.... Right ... Oh well... back to the word processor for me :( From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 27 00:55:21 1999 Message-ID: <002401be4a58$ea940820$b15008c3@persona> From: "David" To: "sam-users" Subject: Guess what? Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 00:55:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 615 Lines: 19 Had a customer call the other day for a price of some components to be shipped to the Irish Republic - which, to be honest, always costs a bomb. Anyway, to cut a long story short, I though I recognised the persons name - and when he asked if I was "the" David Ledbury... It clicked! Yep, turned out that it was in fact the one and only Shane Smith .... SAM Amateur Electronics & Programming anyone? :) Quite a conincedence - when you consider there's a lot of PC components people around, and there's a lot of people in the office who could have gotten that Email as well. Strange, Night all anyway ;) David From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 27 03:57:13 1999 Message-ID: <19990127035458.12411.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.70] From: "Simon Cooke" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Replacement power-supplies Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 19:54:57 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 752 Lines: 23 >On Tue, Jan 26, 1999 at 02:48:17PM -0800, Simon Cooke wrote: >> SCART only machines are great - the composite sync is generated by the >> SAM's motherboard, the RGB values are generated by the resistors on the >> board. Why not just rip out the MC1377P entirely? > >Because... > >> Some TV's will only accept composite video over SCART - they ignore the >> RGB lines - and I'm willing to bet you a big mac or something that SAMs >> with this particular kludge won't work on those. Indeed. This is my point; if you're going to cripple the chip by removing its 12V line, why not just remove it entirely and be done with it? Simon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Jan 27 08:40:53 1999 Message-ID: <81BDD4ADA85FD11185400000F847E9C2E6D2CC@nired027.europe.nortel.com> From: "Gavin Smith" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: RE: Guess what? Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 08:37:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 721 Lines: 23 > -----Original Message----- > From: David [SMTP:daveykins@theoffice.net] > Sent: Thursday, January 28, 1999 12:56 AM > To: sam-users > Subject: Guess what? > > Had a customer call the other day for a price of some components to be > shipped to the Irish Republic - which, to be honest, always costs a bomb. [snip] > Yep, turned out that it was in fact the one and only Shane Smith .... SAM > Amateur Electronics & Programming anyone? :) Awwwwwww Dave, when you told me this a few nights ago (IRC/phone/email/whatever it was) I thought you meant that he was looking for some SAM stuff, but I assume now you meant PC equipment :( Can't you just send him some SAM kit instead and see if he complains? :) Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 28 20:11:29 1999 by satsuma.mail.easynet.net with SMTP; 28 Jan 1999 20:05:34 -0000 by hertz.ukonline.co.uk with SMTP; 28 Jan 1999 20:05:33 -0000 Message-ID: <36AD841C.3AB6621B@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 01:00:13 -0800 From: Martin Wilson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: A new subscriber to this mailing list. References: <002e01be496d$6fe516a0$905008c3@persona> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1223 Lines: 29 I just thought I'd introduce myself as I've only just subscribed to this mailing list. Nothing too detailed. Some people might recognise my name as I've had a Coupe since about 91/2. Unfortunately I'm not one of those clever programming types. Although I did buy Sam C and actually have a CG Level 2 in C programming (if you actually saw the crappy C code that enabled me to pass you wouldn't be impressed). I still play a few speccy games and occasionally even Coupe ones. Like to read some of the disk mags although I haven't got a recent disk mag at all. I think I stopped getting Fred mid 97 and have generally been out of touch with the Sam community. I certainly have no plans to sell it. I generally nose about the Sam internet sites to see whats happening and read the sinclair newsgroup but nothing much seems to happen on there Coupe wise. I presume there isn't a Coupe newsgroup.At least I haven't found one. I have a Rom 3 512k Coupe with two internal drives, an external interface for disk plus printer, mouse interface and communicaiton interface. I do have one of those Wintel boxes too. I do plan to go back to Sam C and do a bit of programming. Is there a site for Sam C support and downloads? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 28 20:51:11 1999 Message-ID: <19990128204658.17788.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.78] From: "Simon Cooke" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: A new subscriber to this mailing list. Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 12:46:58 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 537 Lines: 22 >Some people might recognise my name as I've had a Coupe since about 91/2. >Unfortunately I'm not one of those clever programming types. Although I did >buy Sam C and actually have a CG Level 2 in C programming (if you actually >saw the crappy C code that enabled me to pass you wouldn't be impressed). It wasn't: public static void main(String args[]) { System.out.println("Hello World\r\n"); } was it? :-) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 28 22:04:49 1999 X-Authentication-Warning: rush.dcs.warwick.ac.uk: csuan owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 21:59:44 +0000 (BST) From: Paul Walker To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: A new subscriber to this mailing list. In-Reply-To: <19990128204658.17788.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 255 Lines: 11 On Thu, 28 Jan 1999, Simon Cooke wrote: > It wasn't: > public static void main(String args[]) { > System.out.println("Hello World\r\n"); > } > was it? :-) Probably not, since unless they've rewritten C while I wasn't looking, that's Java. ;-) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 28 23:10:00 1999 Date: Thu, 28 Jan 99 22:55:42 GMT Message-ID: <1164_OASIS_@lhutz.demon.co.uk> From: 8bit@itdoesntsuck.com (James R Curry) To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no X-Mailer: OASIS Post Box (Atari) v1.31E Subject: Re: Replacement power-supplies X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 558 Lines: 24 In E-Mail <001901be4a4c$77f0eb00$975008c3@persona> "David" wrote:- >My Big Mac only has meat, cheese and flavourings.... You actually found meat in a Big Mac? Hmm, I think you're entitled to a prize. __ James R Curry - 8bit@itdoesntsuck.com "You're missing the point! The individual doesn't matter. It was a team effort, and I was the one who came up with the whole team idea...me!" - Homer Simpson, The Simpsons. Please insert meaningless promise about The Official James R Curry web page here... From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Thu Jan 28 23:21:50 1999 Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 23:21:50 +0000 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: A new subscriber to this mailing list. Message-ID: <19990128232150.A19159@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no References: <19990128204658.17788.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <19990128204658.17788.qmail@hotmail.com>; from Simon Cooke on Thu, Jan 28, 1999 at 12:46:58PM -0800 Status: RO Content-Length: 439 Lines: 15 On Thu, Jan 28, 1999 at 12:46:58PM -0800, Simon Cooke wrote: > >Some people might recognise my name as I've had a Coupe since about > 91/2. > >Unfortunately I'm not one of those clever programming types. Although I > did Simon, your quoting is broken. Microsoft software to blame, no doubt... > public static void main(String args[]) { > System.out.println("Hello World\r\n"); > } Since when has main() been void? imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Jan 28 23:36:24 1999 X-Authentication-Warning: rush.dcs.warwick.ac.uk: csuan owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 23:33:26 +0000 (BST) From: Paul Walker To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: A new subscriber to this mailing list. In-Reply-To: <19990128232150.A19159@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 174 Lines: 7 On Thu, 28 Jan 1999, Ian Collier wrote: > > public static void main(String args[]) { > Since when has main() been void? Since it started taking String[] as arguments? :-) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 29 04:02:13 1999 Message-ID: <19990129035734.27317.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.79] From: "Simon Cooke" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: A new subscriber to this mailing list. Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 19:57:34 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 639 Lines: 23 >Simon, your quoting is broken. Microsoft software to blame, no doubt... Actually, no - it's Hotmail software, which Sun takes pride in claiming runs on Sun boxes :) That, and I deleted the proper author-identification quote by hand, accidentally. As I did here. Oh well. >> public static void main(String args[]) { >> System.out.println("Hello World\r\n"); >> } > >Since when has main() been void? Since I decided to write the main() in Java :) The public and the String[] should have been a clue ;) Si ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Jan 29 10:15:34 1999 From: Frode Tenneboe Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:10:45 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199901291010.LAA24286@asmal.edh.ericsson.se> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: A new subscriber to this mailing list. X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1682 Lines: 46 > I just thought I'd introduce myself as I've only just subscribed to this > mailing list. Welcome to the list, Martin. > > Nothing too detailed. > > Some people might recognise my name as I've had a Coupe since about 91/2. > Unfortunately I'm not one of those clever programming types. Although I did > buy Sam C and actually have a CG Level 2 in C programming (if you actually > saw the crappy C code that enabled me to pass you wouldn't be impressed). > > I still play a few speccy games and occasionally even Coupe ones. Like to > read some of the disk mags although I haven't got a recent disk mag at all. > I think I stopped getting Fred mid 97 and have generally been out of touch > with the Sam community. I certainly have no plans to sell it. I generally > nose about the Sam internet sites to see whats happening and read the > sinclair newsgroup but nothing much seems to happen on there Coupe wise. I > presume there isn't a Coupe newsgroup.At least I haven't found one. No. To create a newsgroup you have to have a certain amount of througput to justify the overhead involved with creating a new newsgroup (at least it used to be, the rules might have been changed). Heck, I remember when there was just barely enought to create c.s.s. > > I have a Rom 3 512k Coupe with two internal drives, an external interface > for disk plus printer, mouse interface and communicaiton interface. > > I do have one of those Wintel boxes too. > > I do plan to go back to Sam C and do a bit of programming. Is there a site > for Sam C support and downloads? Well, ftp.nvg.ntnu.no has a few SAM related files on it and is happy to accept more. -Frode > > > > > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Jan 30 12:48:48 1999 Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 12:45:50 +0000 (GMT) From: SL Harding X-Sender: sh5655@harrier To: SAM mailing list Subject: Re: wanted: spectrum +2 cheap In-Reply-To: <36A49190.488C671E@earthling.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 369 Lines: 13 > Does anyone know where I could get a 128K+2 (grey) and power supply > cheap? No other accessories necessary, but in good working order... > -- > Andrew Gallagher > http://members.tripod.com/~AndrewGallagher/id.html If you haven't got it sorted yet, you may want to try: (Bristol) 9350504 I don't know the story with this one. Ask for a 'craig smith'. C9, Numbly. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jan 31 22:55:10 1999 by satsuma.mail.easynet.net with SMTP; 31 Jan 1999 22:49:09 -0000 by hertz.ukonline.co.uk with SMTP; 31 Jan 1999 22:49:08 -0000 Message-ID: <36B3D1C0.5C7B9CE3@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 03:45:04 +0000 From: Martin Wilson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: A new subscriber to this mailing list. References: <19990128204658.17788.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 683 Lines: 19 > > public static void main(String args[]) { > System.out.println("Hello World\r\n"); > } > > was it? > > :-) > Well it was a bit longer to say the least but not far off. The public, static and system.out bits don't ring any bells though. I suspect a simple print statement like that was level 1 you have to be a genius to cope with the greater challenge of level 2. I had my masterpiece nicely spaced for clarity too with the all important in progam documentation. Without it your an instant failure. If I remember rightly it was a basic accounting type program based on sales and taxation. The exam would have been a lot easier if the project hadn't been so boring. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Jan 31 22:55:10 1999 by satsuma.mail.easynet.net with SMTP; 31 Jan 1999 22:49:12 -0000 by hertz.ukonline.co.uk with SMTP; 31 Jan 1999 22:49:11 -0000 Message-ID: <36B3D21E.83A339C0@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 03:46:38 +0000 From: Martin Wilson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: A new subscriber to this mailing list. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 407 Lines: 15 Paul Walker wrote: > > On Thu, 28 Jan 1999, Simon Cooke wrote: > > > It wasn't: > > public static void main(String args[]) { > > System.out.println("Hello World\r\n"); > > } > > was it? :-) > > Probably not, since unless they've rewritten C while I wasn't looking, > that's Java. ;-) Well you learn something new everyday. So Java is based on C I presume. Theres hope for me learning Java yet.