From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 1 06:47:18 1999 From: Frode Tenneboe Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 07:42:00 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199903010642.HAA03450@asmal.edh.ericsson.se> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Anyone wanna help? X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 605 Lines: 19 > > threw up loads of false alarms).. BUT!... with a bit of calculating it > > would have been possible (i opted for asking someone instead).... urm... > > the files not encrypted or anything?... > > They're almost always compressed, and I have no idea whatsoever which > algorithm teledisk uses to compress them with. As far as I remember, most of the images on NVG are not compressed nativly with Teledisk. Instead, the final result is compressed with zip. If someone is willing to do a Teledisk -> DSK conversion I would be grateful and it will clean up the mess at NVG. -Frode > > Paul > > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 1 07:54:59 1999 From: "Si Owen" To: Subject: RE: Anyone wanna help? Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 07:43:40 -0000 Message-ID: <000001be63b7$39827ad0$03a046c2@simon.wordcraft.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19990228015153.21693.qmail@hotmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 125 Lines: 6 > simcooke@microsoft.com When did you move over to the Dark Side Si? I guess that's something else I missed last year! Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 1 10:47:57 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF598D8B@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.unit.no'" Subject: RE: Anyone wanna help? Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 10:41:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 281 Lines: 14 >> simcooke@microsoft.com Is that like a Simon-Emulator (aka SimCoupe) ? >When did you move over to the Dark Side Si? I guess that's something else I >missed last year! Then it's a good job I didn't join SCO otherwise I'd be an enemy with the god-like SpecTec Jnr..... Jut. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 1 11:15:33 1999 From: "Si Owen" To: Subject: RE: Anyone wanna help? Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 11:06:30 -0000 Message-ID: <000001be63d3$8f003f80$03a046c2@simon.wordcraft.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF598D8B@mailhost.aculab.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 197 Lines: 22 > >> simcooke@microsoft.com > > Is that like a Simon-Emulator (aka SimCoupe) ? while (1) { write_demo(); eat_pizza(); usleep(10); design_hardware(); build_hardware(); . . . } :-) Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 1 15:40:23 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19990228015127.4299.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 15:20:29 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Anyone wanna help? X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1070 Lines: 31 >>>> I'm running SIMCOUPE at work at the mo, and want to show off the >Entropy >>>> Experience demo disk if I can get it running :( >>> >>>....dont think i've ever seen that .. so i suppose its an incentive >for >>>me :o) >> >>I've already got that as a .dsk - shall I post it over? > >Please do! That'd be great! Say.... could you perhaps send me a copy too? Teledisk crashes on the PCs I've tried. NB. The Sam demobase now has all the demos from Fred (18, 20, 22->78), Newsdisk (1->5), Blitz (1->3), Quartet (2)), and a few other fairly random places. However, there are probably still quite a lot of demos which I haven't got with me at the moment, so if anyone can help track down the remaining stuff, could you let me know. (The demobase is at http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/computers/demobase ) Andrew -- | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he +----------------+-----------------------------+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 1 15:56:05 1999 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 15:46:23 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: Anyone wanna help? References: <19990228015127.4299.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 4.01 <8OHKkEUpoELRXEckwUjJGSM0AF> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 278 Lines: 11 Hmm, I've got *all* the FREDs around the place. Um, what are you missing in terms of copies of FRED? Graham Goring -- /====================================\ | Ber-Limey! There's not even enough | |room to swing a cat in this sodding-| \=========== ICQ: 5333545 ===========/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 1 19:11:59 1999 From: Psycho Billy Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 15:45:11 GMT+0 Subject: a joke X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <7E9579117D@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1414 Lines: 35 Bill Gates dies and goes to Hell. Satan greets him: "Welcome Mr. Gates, we've been waiting for you. This will be your home for all eternity. You've been selfish, greedy and a big liar all your life. Now, since you've got me in a good mood, I'll be generous and give you a choice of three places in which you'll be locked up forever. Satan takes Bill to a huge lake of fire in which millions of poor souls are tormented and tortured. He then takes him to a massive coliseum where thousands of people are chased about and devoured by starving lions. Finally, he takes Bill to a tiny room in which there is a beautiful young blonde with an alluring look on her face, sitting at a table on which there is a bottle of the finest wine. To Bill's delight, he sees a PC in the corner. Without hesitation, Bill says "I'll take this option." "Fine," says Satan, allowing Bill to enter the room. Satan locks the room after Bill. As he turns around, he bumps into Lucifer. "That was Bill Gates!" cried Lucifer. "Why did you give him the best place of all!" "That's what everyone thinks" snickered Satan. "The bottle has a hole in it and the girl hasn't!" "What about the PC?" "It's got Windows 95!" laughed Satan. "And it's missing three keys," "Which three?" "Control, Alt and Delete." Peace, Love, Kisses... JohnnaPig Teare JPOL: http://www.yi.com/home/TeareJohnna "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 1 19:19:10 1999 Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 19:12:07 +0000 (BST) From: Dave Hooper To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: a joke In-Reply-To: <7E9579117D@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 122 Lines: 8 On Mon, 1 Mar 1999, Psycho Billy wrote: > Bill Gates dies and goes to Hell. [snip] That's, erm, actually pretty crap. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 2 05:28:26 1999 Message-ID: <19990302051623.17284.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.79] From: "Simon Cooke" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: RE: Anyone wanna help? Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 21:16:22 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 605 Lines: 30 >> Is that like a Simon-Emulator (aka SimCoupe) ? Actually, the algorithm is closer to this: public static void main(String[] args) { while (1) { for (int i=0;i<999;i++) { pretendToWork(); } doWork(); } } /** * Pretend to Work * @return no output */ public void pretendToWork() { WorldWideWeb.surf(); } /** * Do Work - occasionally produces complete works of Shakespeare * Highly random though. */ public void doWork() { simulateAMonkey(); } ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 2 05:28:26 1999 Message-ID: <19990302052109.4075.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.79] From: "Simon Cooke" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: RGB Demo... Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 21:21:08 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 329 Lines: 10 I never managed to get this to work - the copy on FRED was broken, and so was my FRED disk by the time I got the patch. And the patch didn't seem to work. Erm... So... what is it? Anyone fancy describing it? Simon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 2 09:14:35 1999 From: "Si Owen" To: Subject: RE: Anyone wanna help? Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 08:44:48 -0000 Message-ID: <000001be6488$ee046d70$4573989e@simon.wordcraft.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-Reply-To: <19990302051623.17284.qmail@hotmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 169 Lines: 8 > >> Is that like a Simon-Emulator (aka SimCoupe) ? > > Actually, the algorithm is closer to this: hehe, your is better as it describes me at times too :-) Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 2 09:14:36 1999 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 08:36:09 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: RGB Demo... References: <19990302052109.4075.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: <19990302052109.4075.qmail@hotmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 4.01 <8OHKkEUpoELRXEckwUjJGSM0AF> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 782 Lines: 24 In message <19990302052109.4075.qmail@hotmail.com>, Simon Cooke writes >I never managed to get this to work - the copy on FRED was broken, and >so was my FRED disk by the time I got the patch. And the patch didn't >seem to work. Erm... > >So... what is it? Anyone fancy describing it? Lotsa' lovely music and it crashed eventually. Plus the Where Time Stood Still music wobbles all over the place unless it's coming from a good sound set-up. How odd. I got a copy off of the excellent Martijn at one of the shows... :) Oh, and it has a slideshow of tons of pictures, as well. Graham Goring -- /====================================\ | Ber-Limey! There's not even enough | |room to swing a cat in this sodding-| \=========== ICQ: 5333545 ===========/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 2 09:14:36 1999 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 08:37:26 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: a joke References: <7E9579117D@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 4.01 <8OHKkEUpoELRXEckwUjJGSM0AF> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 600 Lines: 22 In message , Dave Hooper writes > >On Mon, 1 Mar 1999, Psycho Billy wrote: > >> Bill Gates dies and goes to Hell. >[snip] > >That's, erm, actually pretty crap. Yeah, the one about the various activities on the days in hell is better. So is the one about the three rooms containing broken glass, nails and 2 feet of shit, for that matter... Graham Goring -- /====================================\ | Ber-Limey! There's not even enough | |room to swing a cat in this sodding-| \=========== ICQ: 5333545 ===========/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 2 10:57:25 1999 Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 10:44:21 +0000 (GMT) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@red.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Anyone wanna help? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 750 Lines: 20 On Mon, 1 Mar 1999, Graham Goring wrote: > Hmm, I've got *all* the FREDs around the place. Um, what are you missing > in terms of copies of FRED? Well, the ones I've catalogued properly, I've got here. I've also got issues 1->16, but they're at home and not in Cambridge. The rest are holes in my collection which I never quite got round to plugging up. Perhaps you could let me know what other demos exist, and where, and I can look about getting screenshots at some other appropriate time. Andrew -- | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Isn't it | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | about time +----------------+-----------------------------+ I changed my | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | .sig quote? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 2 12:45:29 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <19990302052109.4075.qmail@hotmail.com> <19990302052109.4075.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 12:33:48 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: RGB Demo... X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1535 Lines: 38 >In message <19990302052109.4075.qmail@hotmail.com>, Simon Cooke > writes >>I never managed to get this to work - the copy on FRED was broken, and >>so was my FRED disk by the time I got the patch. And the patch didn't >>seem to work. Erm... >> >>So... what is it? Anyone fancy describing it? > >Lotsa' lovely music and it crashed eventually. Plus the Where Time >Stood Still music wobbles all over the place unless it's coming from >a good sound set-up. How odd. > >I got a copy off of the excellent Martijn at one of the shows... :) > >Oh, and it has a slideshow of tons of pictures, as well. Yes, that's pretty much a complete description. There are three scrollies, one each by Martijn, Stefan Drissen and Robert Van der Veeke. The music is all from various 128K games. There's a screenshot on the demobase[1]. I got my copy straight from Martijn, too... Perhaps I could put Martijn's demos on a .dsk and upload it to nvg, assuming Martijn doesn't mind of course. I have his snail-mail address, does anybody have a quicker way of contacting him to ask about it? Someone who lives in the same country that he does, perhaps... Andrew [1] For those of you who missed that plug, the demobase is at http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/computers/demobase/ -- | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he +----------------+-----------------------------+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 2 13:19:58 1999 Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:03:10 +0000 (BST) From: Dave Hooper To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: RGB Demo... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 278 Lines: 10 One question that's been bugging me (but only a bit) - why are all the pictures crummy jpegs? i'm assuming the answer is 'because they are all from scanned photos off the telly' dave On Tue, 2 Mar 1999, Andrew Collier wrote: > http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/computers/demobase/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 2 13:19:58 1999 Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:04:44 +0000 (BST) From: Dave Hooper To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: RGB Demo... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 169 Lines: 7 Exhibit One, m'lud: http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/computers/demobase/dos1.JPG On Tue, 2 Mar 1999, Andrew Collier wrote: > http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/computers/demobase/ From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Tue Mar 2 13:34:43 1999 Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:34:43 +0000 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: RGB Demo... Message-ID: <19990302133441.D25990@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Dave Hooper on Tue, Mar 02, 1999 at 01:03:10PM +0000 Status: RO Content-Length: 585 Lines: 13 On Tue, Mar 02, 1999 at 01:03:10PM +0000, Dave Hooper wrote: > One question that's been bugging me (but only a bit) - why are all the > pictures crummy jpegs? i'm assuming the answer is 'because they are all > from scanned photos off the telly' Nearly. I suspect they are frame grabs from a TV card. Not all the demos work on SimCoupe so you can't always use that, and taking a snapshot on the Sam itself could be difficult. The other thing about the jpegs is that they are in a strange format which Netscape and the jpeg library understand, but xv and xli do not understand. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 2 14:12:14 1999 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: RGB Demo... References: <19990302133441.D25990@comlab.ox.ac.uk> X-Face: "J~~0'L`GfL^sW4%+i35x#X308)K/$7\]qy)UZ$`k:}Bx]6mgAA^N5,@brn/19TPn%o;j28 W7mD)UN~se8P9\3?wU.g+i9)X Date: 02 Mar 1999 13:53:25 +0000 In-Reply-To: Ian Collier's message of "Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:34:43 +0000" Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.070079 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.79) Emacs/20.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 534 Lines: 14 Ian Collier writes: > The other thing about the jpegs is that they are in a strange format which > Netscape and the jpeg library understand, but xv and xli do not understand. Well I think they're progressive jpeg's which earlier versions of XV *may* not understand, but recent ones most certainly do .. Using XV version 3.10a Last modified 29 Dec 1994. works fine :) Lee. -- I was doing object-oriented assembly at 1 year old ... For some reason my mom insists on calling it "Playing with blocks" From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 2 14:12:15 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:54:37 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Demobase images (was Re: RGB Demo...) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 2457 Lines: 49 >One question that's been bugging me (but only a bit) - why are all the >pictures crummy jpegs? i'm assuming the answer is 'because they are all >from scanned photos off the telly' Well, if it's that much of a problem, replace JPG with PICT and you'll get the original, non-lossily compressed image (providing you have something which can read PICTs, of course). But for the default images, as with anything on the web, the choice was either a GIF ar a JPG... GIFs are in 256 colours and I thought the dithering looked pretty bad on most of the images. The images always DO have more than 16 colours, because there is an antialiasing between pixels; remember Sam's pixels are actually rectangular instead of square, so there can _never_ be an exact 1:1 mapping without distorting the shape of the picture. It's still possible for me to increase the contrast a bit and save the JPGs with a higher quality, but the file size would increase and the originals aren't amazingly good in the first place. The basic problem is that my TV card munges adjacent horizontal lines together, so the images will always be blurred. I'm afraid there's nothing I can do about that, unless someone else wants to go through the entire demobase and take their own screenshots instead. It would be possible to get perfect picture quality by using SimCoupe instead. But that would be quite a significant hassle since I'd have to use someone else's PC to make the images from real disks (because the MacOS SimCoupe port has no disk i/o support whatsoever) and quite a lot of effects (timing-dependent border effects etc) wouldn't look exactly the same anyway. Some programs won't even run at all, MNEMOdemo1 part 2 is a case in point. The screenshots are only there, after all, to give people an impression of what's in the demo - or remind people who've seen it before. If you want to see it properly, with sound and moving images and all, the best plan is to go load it on a real Sam... Andrew BTW. As for the DOS demo picture, what do want to see? It's a picture of three small squares and some dot stars. What exactly did you expect in the screenshot, when that's all that hapenned in that part of the demo? -- | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he +----------------+-----------------------------+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 2 14:12:15 1999 Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:55:08 +0000 (BST) From: Dave Hooper To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: RGB Demo... In-Reply-To: <19990302133441.D25990@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 626 Lines: 18 On Tue, 2 Mar 1999, Ian Collier wrote: > On Tue, Mar 02, 1999 at 01:03:10PM +0000, Dave Hooper wrote: > > One question that's been bugging me (but only a bit) - why are all the > > pictures crummy jpegs? i'm assuming the answer is 'because they are all > > from scanned photos off the telly' > > Nearly. I suspect they are frame grabs from a TV card. Not all the demos > work on SimCoupe so you can't always use that, and taking a snapshot on the > Sam itself could be difficult. No - but for those that could work in SimCoupe ... But fair enough about the TV card thing. Could still've used gifs though, mebbe? dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 2 14:32:34 1999 Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:17:37 +0000 (BST) From: Dave Hooper To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Demobase images (was Re: RGB Demo...) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1544 Lines: 41 On Tue, 2 Mar 1999, Andrew Collier wrote: > remember Sam's pixels are actually rectangular instead of square, so there > can _never_ be an exact 1:1 mapping without distorting the shape of the > picture. but doesn't the sam rom make the 'assumption' that the pixels are square, eg, when drawing circles? can't remember but I thought it did. And any/all work I ever did on the Sam was based on the 'logical' ratio of 4:3 not the 'apparent' ratio of 4-and-a-bit:3 Plus my Tv controls were set so that the apparent ratio WAS 4:3 ... does this mean I was always distorting the shape of the picture, or does it mean everyone /else's/ Tvs were distorting the shape of the picture? (bit of a philosophical one there, rather than a genuine question, i suspect) I don't see anything wrong with screengrabs that show 'square' pixels... especially if it means they take up less space (no antialiasing... 16 colors ...) and look better (no antialiasing ... 16 colors ...) however: > The basic problem is that my TV > card munges adjacent horizontal lines together, so the images will always > be blurred. which explains stuff. pity. > BTW. As for the DOS demo picture, what do want to see? It's a picture of > three small squares and some dot stars. What exactly did you expect in the > screenshot, when that's all that hapenned in that part of the demo? I apologise - I honestly couldn't see the dot stars. Now I've looked again, I see some blurring dot things. Got the PICTs and yeh, bit clearer. Next time I'll use my eyes (promise) dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 2 14:32:35 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19990302133441.D25990@comlab.ox.ac.uk> References: ; from Dave Hooper on Tue, Mar 02, 1999 at 01:03:10PM +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:20:51 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: RGB Demo... X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 985 Lines: 26 >On Tue, Mar 02, 1999 at 01:03:10PM +0000, Dave Hooper wrote: >Nearly. I suspect they are frame grabs from a TV card. Not all the demos >work on SimCoupe so you can't always use that, and taking a snapshot on the >Sam itself could be difficult. Correct (x3) >The other thing about the jpegs is that they are in a strange format which >Netscape and the jpeg library understand, but xv and xli do not understand. Now that's odd, I've not heard that before. GraphicConverter says something about library version 6.0 - does that resonate? I've redone all the JPGs at somewhat better quality, and switched off the option called "progressive". I think that increases the file size a bit, but can xv read them now? Andrew -- | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he +----------------+-----------------------------+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Tue Mar 2 14:33:23 1999 Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:33:23 +0000 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: RGB Demo... Message-ID: <19990302143323.G25990@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no References: <19990302133441.D25990@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Lee Willis on Tue, Mar 02, 1999 at 01:53:25PM +0000 Status: RO Content-Length: 587 Lines: 14 On Tue, Mar 02, 1999 at 01:53:25PM +0000, Lee Willis wrote: > Well I think they're progressive jpeg's which earlier versions of XV > *may* not understand, but recent ones most certainly do .. > Using XV version 3.10a Last modified 29 Dec 1994. works fine :) Odd. So am I, and yet it just says "Unsupported JPEG process: SOF type 0xc2". This is with dos1 and syncytium1 - haven't tried any others. But the one on Red Hat Linux works. I think that has been patched to make use of libjpeg.so instead of the library that it comes with. It has also been patched to understand PNG. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 2 14:48:45 1999 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: RGB Demo... References: X-Face: "J~~0'L`GfL^sW4%+i35x#X308)K/$7\]qy)UZ$`k:}Bx]6mgAA^N5,@brn/19TPn%o;j28 W7mD)UN~se8P9\3?wU.g+i9)X Date: 02 Mar 1999 14:38:05 +0000 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.070079 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.79) Emacs/20.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1188 Lines: 28 Andrew Collier writes: > >The other thing about the jpegs is that they are in a strange format which > >Netscape and the jpeg library understand, but xv and xli do not understand. > > Now that's odd, I've not heard that before. GraphicConverter says something > about library version 6.0 - does that resonate? > > I've redone all the JPGs at somewhat better quality, and switched off the > option called "progressive". I think that increases the file size a bit, > but can xv read them now? A proper XV always could read them as can the gimp. I'm going to make some wild guesses here. Ian mailed using Mutt, which suggests he *may* be using linux. If so, chances are it's a RedHat distro, which means he may not have upgraded his libjpeg which was broken in the 5.1 version of Redhat. Therefore his xv may not like the jpegs when mine (On an upgraded redhat) is fine. Probably all wrong, but it's the only explanation I can think of. Either that or his browser's munging them on the way down. What exactly does xv complain about? Lee. -- I was doing object-oriented assembly at 1 year old ... For some reason my mom insists on calling it "Playing with blocks" From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Tue Mar 2 14:58:00 1999 Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:58:00 +0000 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: RGB Demo... Message-ID: <19990302145800.H25990@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Lee Willis on Tue, Mar 02, 1999 at 02:38:05PM +0000 Status: RO Content-Length: 756 Lines: 20 On Tue, Mar 02, 1999 at 02:38:05PM +0000, Lee Willis wrote: > A proper XV always could read them as can the gimp. I'm going to make > some wild guesses here. > Ian mailed using Mutt, which suggests he *may* be using linux. No, Solaris. All has become clear to me now. As I mentioned a few moments ago, the Red Hat version of xv has been patched to use version 6 of the jpeg library, but the official xv (which we have here) has not. I am puzzled that you say "A proper XV always could read them" given that xv was last modified in December 1994 but jpeg 6 was only released in August 1995. The xli I am using, on the other hand, is extremely old and I think the one I compiled on my Linux box has also been patched for jpeg version 6 (and PNG). imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 2 15:21:59 1999 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: OT: libjpeg.xxx References: <19990302145800.H25990@comlab.ox.ac.uk> X-Face: "J~~0'L`GfL^sW4%+i35x#X308)K/$7\]qy)UZ$`k:}Bx]6mgAA^N5,@brn/19TPn%o;j28 W7mD)UN~se8P9\3?wU.g+i9)X Date: 02 Mar 1999 15:11:30 +0000 In-Reply-To: Ian Collier's message of "Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:58:00 +0000" Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.070079 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.79) Emacs/20.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 830 Lines: 24 Ian Collier writes: > No, Solaris. Well I did say it was a series of wild guesses. > As I mentioned a few moments ago, the Red Hat version of xv has been patched > to use version 6 of the jpeg library, but the official xv (which we have > here) has not. Ahaha, so it probably is a progressive problem then ... > I am puzzled that you say "A proper XV always could read them" given > that xv was last modified in December 1994 but jpeg 6 was only > released in August 1995. Well I meant a 'working' xv. Bad choice of words. It was all in the context of the broken libjpeg problem with RedHat which since you're using Solaris is a tad, even majorly, irrelevant. Lee. -- I was doing object-oriented assembly at 1 year old ... For some reason my mom insists on calling it "Playing with blocks" From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 2 16:38:31 1999 From: "Si Owen" To: Subject: SimCoupe colour problem under X Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 16:27:07 -0000 Message-ID: <000001be64c9$83a31620$4573989e@simon.wordcraft.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1E023A55E4@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 461 Lines: 12 Allan, There a small bug in the X version of SimCoupe that gives the wrong colours on the main screen in modes 1+2 when used on 16+32bpp displays - the default ink colour in modes 1+2 is dislayed as dark blue instead of dull white. The i_pix and p_pix values are 8 bit, but are assigned 16-and 32-bit clut values before being written to the frame-buffer. Nothing serious, but took me a good while to track down as the compiler didn't even give a warning! Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 2 16:48:24 1999 Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 16:40:06 +0000 (BST) From: Dave Hooper To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: SimCoupe In-Reply-To: <000001be64c9$83a31620$4573989e@simon.wordcraft.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 171 Lines: 5 Anyone been able to get Alex Kepry's (sp?) new! improved! simcoupe-with- sound-support-in-windows ? i just get "Forbidden"s but if anyone has it i'd like a copy, ta dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 2 17:24:51 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 17:17:39 +0000 To: "Sam users' mailing list" From: Andrew Collier Subject: Shows? X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 415 Lines: 11 It just occurred to me, is there a Gloucester show planned for this April? And has anyone started making arrangements for the November birthday? Andrew -- | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he +----------------+-----------------------------+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 2 22:25:33 1999 From: PGLOVER43@aol.com Message-ID: <885810a5.36dc60d8@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 17:06:16 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: RGB Demo... (Where Time Stood Still) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 118 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 364 Lines: 8 I just noticed the reference to "Where Time Stood Still".... Did anyone ever manage to convert it to SAM? I'm not bothered about Simcoupe, but I'd love to see WTSS running on SAM from a floppy disk. It was one of the few games that tried to exploit the capabilities of the old Spectrum 128. (Not to mention Starglider, and a handful of other games). Phil Glover From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Mar 2 23:42:54 1999 From: "Robert van der Veeke" To: Subject: Re: RGB Demo... Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 00:34:36 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19990302233502.E827F26D7@maillist.kabelfoon.nl> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1355 Lines: 34 > Van: Andrew Collier > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Onderwerp: Re: RGB Demo... > Datum: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 1:33 > Yes, that's pretty much a complete description. There are three scrollies, > one each by Martijn, Stefan Drissen and Robert Van der Veeke. The music is > all from various 128K games. There's a screenshot on the demobase[1]. I got > my copy straight from Martijn, too... > > Perhaps I could put Martijn's demos on a .dsk and upload it to nvg, > assuming Martijn doesn't mind of course. I have his snail-mail address, > does anybody have a quicker way of contacting him to ask about it? Someone > who lives in the same country that he does, perhaps... I think he likes the idea of having his demo's on NVG. And yes there is a quicker way of contacting him, I have his telephone number, but you won't get it from me because it is a secret number. sorry.... BTW I wil see him again next week. There is a chance that he will come online this year (he is still thinking if he will go for telephone or cable, take notice that cable in Rotterdam and surounding places like Vlaardingen is hideous expensive), but when he does he will certainly join the list BTW: Stefan when are we going to see that ugly face again??? -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Currently listening to : Evangelion Fox From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Mar 3 01:40:04 1999 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 01:33:47 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: RGB Demo... (Where Time Stood Still) References: <885810a5.36dc60d8@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <885810a5.36dc60d8@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 4.01 <8OHKkEUpoELRXEckwUjJGSM0AF> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 761 Lines: 20 In message <885810a5.36dc60d8@aol.com>, PGLOVER43@aol.com writes >I just noticed the reference to "Where Time Stood Still".... > >Did anyone ever manage to convert it to SAM? I'm not bothered about Simcoupe, >but I'd love to see WTSS running on SAM from a floppy disk. It was one of the >few games that tried to exploit the capabilities of the old Spectrum 128. (Not >to mention Starglider, and a handful of other games). Never saw it myself, and I had about 20 disks full of 128K conversions (thanks to Simon Cooke, Colin MacD and of course the majority coming from Martijn Groen). Graham Goring -- /====================================\ | Ber-Limey! There's not even enough | |room to swing a cat in this sodding-| \=========== ICQ: 5333545 ===========/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Mar 3 09:36:07 1999 From: "Si Owen" To: Subject: SimCoupe for Win32 Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 09:23:01 -0000 Message-ID: <000201be6557$6f67db30$03a046c2@simon.wordcraft.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1237 Lines: 26 Hi, I've put a pre-pre-alpha version of the Win32 SimCoupe on my web site if any windoze users want to take a look. Grab http://www.obobo.demon.co.uk/sc.zip (57K) and extract it to your normal SimCoupe directory so it can find the ROMs. There's not much of an interface and there are still features missing (video sync, non-UK keyboards, Spectrum keyboards, joysticks, ...), but it'll give me a chance to find out whether the DirectX video works on hardware other than mine (I assume 555 for 16-bit but will add 565 soon). It runs windowed only at the moment (full-screen is working but I've not added the run-time switching) in 8-bit and 16-bit colour modes only (other depths coming soon). The startup mode is 256x192 (like 1x1 under X, so mode 3 loses alternate pixels), but you can switch to 512x384 using F5. Both these modes generate the full image in software to avoid relying on hardware scaling support. You can resize the window to scale from each standard size, but there may be a big performance hit if there's no scaling support for non-power of 2 scaling. Of course, if 16-bit mode is slow give 8-bit a try - when full-screen mode is available it'll use 8 bit regardless of the desktop depth. Any feedback welcome! Si From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Wed Mar 3 16:49:15 1999 Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:49:15 +0000 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: RGB Demo... Message-ID: <19990303164915.G29428@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no References: ; <19990302133441.D25990@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Andrew Collier on Tue, Mar 02, 1999 at 02:20:51PM +0000 Status: RO Content-Length: 500 Lines: 14 On Tue, Mar 02, 1999 at 02:20:51PM +0000, Andrew Collier wrote: > Now that's odd, I've not heard that before. GraphicConverter says something > about library version 6.0 - does that resonate? Yes. See earlier. > I've redone all the JPGs at somewhat better quality, and switched off the > option called "progressive". I think that increases the file size a bit, > but can xv read them now? Yes. (If it increases the file size a bit then it's obviously because of the better quality, innit?) imc From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Wed Mar 3 17:08:56 1999 Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 17:08:56 +0000 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Demobase images (was Re: RGB Demo...) Message-ID: <19990303170856.H29428@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Dave Hooper on Tue, Mar 02, 1999 at 02:17:37PM +0000 Status: RO Content-Length: 1380 Lines: 28 On Tue, Mar 02, 1999 at 02:17:37PM +0000, Dave Hooper wrote: > but doesn't the sam rom make the 'assumption' that the pixels are square, > eg, when drawing circles? I'm pretty sure it does. > Plus my Tv controls were set so that the apparent ratio WAS 4:3 ... does > this mean I was always distorting the shape of the picture, or does it > mean everyone /else's/ Tvs were distorting the shape of the picture? (bit > of a philosophical one there, rather than a genuine question, i suspect) The Sam screen is a bit of an odd beast. It has narrower borders at the sides and a wider screen than the Spectrum. On the speccy, two pixels are sent to the TV every clock cycle, which makes each pixel last about 140 nanoseconds. Most TVs seem to display this as a square pixel (well, more like an amorphous dot really). On the Sam, one pixel is sent to the TV every clock cycle, which makes each pixel last about 165 nanoseconds, which is longer by a factor of 7/6. Thus Sam's display is slightly stretched horizontally with respect to the Spectrum's (and the border is narrower). I have tended to use a horizontal zoom of 1.25 when viewing Sam screens, which means either I got my calculation slightly wrong or the Spectrum's pixels are just slightly wider than they are high. But if you had a ratio of 4:3 then everything else you looked at must have looked squashed. :-) imc From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Wed Mar 3 17:19:54 1999 Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 17:19:54 +0000 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Demobase images (was Re: RGB Demo...) Message-ID: <19990303171953.I29428@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Andrew Collier on Tue, Mar 02, 1999 at 01:54:37PM +0000 Status: RO Content-Length: 1548 Lines: 32 On Tue, Mar 02, 1999 at 01:54:37PM +0000, Andrew Collier wrote: > Well, if it's that much of a problem, replace JPG with PICT and you'll get > the original, non-lossily compressed image (providing you have something > which can read PICTs, of course). Those do look better than the jpegs, actually. It might give a better result if you sample down to 8-bit (without dithering) and GIF them rather than using jpeg. I might try this at some stage. The images seem quite dark, btw. This may be a function of display gamma, since I've speculated before that your display is gamma corrected while most other kinds of display (except SGIs) are not. > The images always DO > have more than 16 colours, because there is an antialiasing between pixels; > remember Sam's pixels are actually rectangular instead of square, so there > can _never_ be an exact 1:1 mapping without distorting the shape of the > picture. Does the TV card give a good enough resolution to be able to squash it and get an exact 1:1 mapping? (If so then stretching it back again could be the job of the viewer.) > The basic problem is that my TV > card munges adjacent horizontal lines together, so the images will always > be blurred. If it does this in a predictable way then it might be possible to reverse the effect. On the other hand, from a brief look at some pictures it doesn't seem to have been done in any kind of logical manner. (Why haven't you sent it back?) imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Mar 3 17:26:14 1999 Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 17:17:15 +0000 (BST) From: Dave Hooper To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Demobase images (was Re: RGB Demo...) In-Reply-To: <19990303170856.H29428@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 622 Lines: 19 On Wed, 3 Mar 1999, Ian Collier wrote: > I have tended to use a horizontal zoom of 1.25 when viewing Sam screens, > which means either I got my calculation slightly wrong or the Spectrum's > pixels are just slightly wider than they are high. > > But if you had a ratio of 4:3 then everything else you looked at must have > looked squashed. :-) > > imc I tell you, watching foreign films was the worst. Akira, in Japanese, for example. The subtitles fell off the bottom of the screen. (Vertical stretch rather than horizontal squash, see... it wasn't a great telly ... come to think of it, I threw it away ...) dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Mar 3 18:23:46 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19990303164915.G29428@comlab.ox.ac.uk> References: ; from Andrew Collier on Tue, Mar 02, 1999 at 02:20:51PM +0000 ; <19990302133441.D25990@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 17:56:53 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: RGB Demo... X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1026 Lines: 26 >On Tue, Mar 02, 1999 at 02:20:51PM +0000, Andrew Collier wrote: >> I've redone all the JPGs at somewhat better quality, and switched off the >> option called "progressive". I think that increases the file size a bit, >> but can xv read them now? > >Yes. (If it increases the file size a bit then it's obviously because of >the better quality, innit?) Oi nutter! Of course I know that saving the images as higher quality increases the file size... Turning the progressive option off also increases the file size without visibly changing the image quality - which is what I said the first time. And since the only reason you can't read progressive files is because you're using old, outdated broken software, I think I'll turn the option back on. HAND. Andrew -- | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he +----------------+-----------------------------+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Mar 3 18:57:37 1999 From: The Mad Goose Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:15:46 GMT+0 Subject: SAM2Sam stuff X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 465 Lines: 15 There's a bit more stuff up on my SAM pages now, including editorials and reviews from SAM2Sam. They're mostly up there as text files at the minute, but I'll change that shortly. Could do with some screenshots from the various games reviewed if anybody has them lying around. Anyway, check it out at: http://johnnapig.webjump.com Peace, Love, Kisses... JohnnaPig Teare JPOL: http://johnnapig.webjump.com "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Mar 4 00:33:41 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19990303171953.I29428@comlab.ox.ac.uk> References: ; from Andrew Collier on Tue, Mar 02, 1999 at 01:54:37PM +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 00:17:46 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Demobase images (was Re: RGB Demo...) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 3155 Lines: 69 Ian Collier wrote: >On Tue, Mar 02, 1999 at 01:54:37PM +0000, Andrew Collier wrote: >> Well, if it's that much of a problem, replace JPG with PICT and you'll get >> the original, non-lossily compressed image (providing you have something >> which can read PICTs, of course). > >Those do look better than the jpegs, actually. It might give a better >result if you sample down to 8-bit (without dithering) and GIF them rather >than using jpeg. I might try this at some stage. Right... there now exist GIF files of everything, too. With varying degrees of success.... At some point I'll prodive an alternative index.html which links to the other file types. >The images seem quite >dark, btw. This may be a function of display gamma, since I've speculated >before that your display is gamma corrected while most other kinds of >display (except SGIs) are not. Yes it is - and will you stop trying to tell me that this is a fault at my end!! >> The images always DO >> have more than 16 colours, because there is an antialiasing between pixels; >> remember Sam's pixels are actually rectangular instead of square, so there >> can _never_ be an exact 1:1 mapping without distorting the shape of the >> picture. > >Does the TV card give a good enough resolution to be able to squash it >and get an exact 1:1 mapping? (If so then stretching it back again could >be the job of the viewer.) Well sort of. But I've said before, I'm not hugely concerned with getting flawless picture quality - and I've spent long enough already taking over 175 framegrabs, so perhaps redoing them can be *your* project over Easter while I'm revising... >> The basic problem is that my TV >> card munges adjacent horizontal lines together, so the images will always >> be blurred. > >If it does this in a predictable way then it might be possible to reverse >the effect. On the other hand, from a brief look at some pictures it doesn't >seem to have been done in any kind of logical manner. (Why haven't you sent >it back?) It is totally predictable, and I should imagine it is not recoverable. It throws away every alternate frame, and averages the pixels in each pair of adjacent horizontal lines. It then scales whatever picture from the signal is left, to the size of the window which, by default, is 320x240. It can go up to 640x480. When watching real TV pictures, this either doesn't happen or is at least not noticable. My guess is that the card gets confused by the lack of interlacing, and I can hardly take it back on the basis of it being slightly confused by a rather non-standard signal. Strangely enough, I can get a less munged picture by telling the card that the composite input is in fact an NTSC signal, but unfortunately I only get to see the top-left corner two thirds of the screen. Andrew -- | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he +----------------+-----------------------------+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Mar 5 14:08:29 1999 Message-Id: From: Dan Doore Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 13:43:51 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: RE: SimCoupe for Win32 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /310000000/310102093/310102123/310460310/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 157e" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 310 Lines: 12 > I've put a pre-pre-alpha version of the Win32 SimCoupe on my > web site if any windoze users want to take a look. No life under NT4 SP4, just executes and exits :-( What version of Direct X does it require? Dan. Work: dan@armature.com Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Mar 5 15:01:04 1999 Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 14:41:53 +0000 (BST) From: Dave Hooper To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: RE: SimCoupe for Win32 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 314 Lines: 16 On Fri, 5 Mar 1999, Dan Doore wrote: > > I've put a pre-pre-alpha version of the Win32 SimCoupe on my > web site if any windoze users want to take a look. > > No life under NT4 SP4, just executes and exits :-( .. says you it works fine for me :) > What version of Direct X does it require? DirectX 3 dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Mar 5 15:01:05 1999 Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 14:43:41 +0000 (BST) From: Dave Hooper To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: RE: SimCoupe for Win32 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 400 Lines: 16 On Fri, 5 Mar 1999, Dan Doore wrote: > No life under NT4 SP4, just executes and exits :-( I probably meant to add that you gotta make sure you run it from the standard simcoupe\v???\bin\ directory. Unfortunately, the executable has the same filename (simcoupe.exe) so what I did was unzip this file as sim32.exe and left the original simcoupe.exe still sitting there. Works. Trustez moi. dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Mar 5 16:01:23 1999 Message-Id: From: Dan Doore Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 15:41:30 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: RE: SimCoupe for Win32 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /310000000/310102093/310102123/310460310/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 157e" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 704 Lines: 23 > I probably meant to add that you gotta make sure you run it from the > standard simcoupe\v???\bin\ directory. That's where it is. > Unfortunately, the executable has the same filename > (simcoupe.exe) so what > I did was unzip this file as sim32.exe and left the original > simcoupe.exe still sitting there. I was able to suss that out :-) > Works. Trustez moi. I believe you, it just ain't working over here. I have even downloaded a fresh copy of the 0.78 and tried it with that - no dice. I've tried it on a win95 box and it's fine but on the four NT boxes I've tried it on you just get nowt. Dan. Work: dan@armature.com Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Mar 5 17:05:06 1999 Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 16:30:57 +0000 (BST) From: Dave Hooper To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: RE: SimCoupe for Win32 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 745 Lines: 26 On Fri, 5 Mar 1999, Dan Doore wrote: > I was able to suss that out :-) didn't mean it to sound so patronising, sorry :) > I've tried it on a win95 box and it's fine but on the four NT boxes > I've tried it on you just get nowt. > > Dan. Well, in that case, I will speculate that your video drivers for NT are not very recent / not very good . If you have any other software that uses windowed directX on NT, and that doesn't work, then this will be why Otherwise, if this is the only NT DX thing that doesn't work for you then ... weird ... is all I can say. I've got pretty recent S3 drivers on the NT machine I'm using at the moment - before I got them very few DX apps would work, and now they do. So that could be it. (like.) dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Mar 5 18:15:09 1999 Message-Id: From: Dan Doore Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 17:54:24 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: RE: SimCoupe for Win32 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /310000000/310102093/310102123/310460310/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 157e" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 812 Lines: 15 > Well, in that case, I will speculate that your video drivers > for NT are not very recent / not very good . If you have any other > software that uses windowed directX on NT, and that doesn't work, then > this will be why Hmmm, I rebuilt my NT box at the start of the new year with Matrox's Unified drivers (I even upgraded the firmware too) so I don't think that's the problem, unless it's a Millennium thing with DirectX I have no idea what other apps I have that use DirectX - I don't have any games on here so it's hard to know what uses it... > Otherwise, if this is the only NT DX thing that doesn't work > for you then ... weird ... is all I can say. Better believe it! I'll see if I can track down some windowed DX things, everything I'm finding at the moment is full screen and that's OK. Dan. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Mar 5 18:43:24 1999 Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 18:32:47 +0000 (BST) From: Dave Hooper To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: RE: SimCoupe for Win32 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 611 Lines: 20 On Fri, 5 Mar 1999, Dan Doore wrote: > Hmmm, I rebuilt my NT box at the start of the new year with Matrox's > Unified drivers (I even upgraded the firmware too) so I don't think > that's the problem, unless it's a Millennium thing with DirectX Which Matrox card you got? Millennium / Millennium II / Millennium G200 / ... / ... ? It's working fine over here on a NT4SP3 (it might be SP4 but ... dunno... don't think it is) Matrox Millennium. Latest drivers, as far as I'm aware. Millennium 2064W ... 2mb ... powerdesk 3.68 ... you? I'll try upping to SP4 on that machine and see if it still works! dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Mar 5 19:38:20 1999 Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 19:30:26 +0000 (BST) From: Dave Hooper To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: RE: SimCoupe for Win32 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 194 Lines: 11 On Fri, 5 Mar 1999, Dave Hooper wrote: > I'll try upping to SP4 on that machine and see if it still works! yeh ... still works for me on NT4SP4. you must just have crazy drivers, man dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Mar 5 19:49:35 1999 Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 19:44:54 +0000 (BST) From: Dave Hooper To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Win32 simcoupe Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 194 Lines: 11 On Fri, 5 Mar 1999, Dave Hooper wrote: > I'll try upping to SP4 on that machine and see if it still works! yeh ... still works for me on NT4SP4. you must just have crazy drivers, man dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Mar 5 22:07:24 1999 Message-ID: <19990305220147.17042.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.73] From: "Simon Cooke" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: RE: SimCoupe for Win32 Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 14:01:46 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 595 Lines: 17 >I believe you, it just ain't working over here. I have even downloaded a fresh copy of the 0.78 and tried it with that - no dice. > >I've tried it on a win95 box and it's fine but on the four NT boxes I've tried it on you just get nowt. Hmmm... I'm running Service Pack 3.99* and Service Pack 4, and it works on both. Simon *Ah, the joys of working for Microsoft - namely, we get to run the unstable stuff so that you get the stuff that works. Or at least, that's the plan. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Mar 6 05:08:10 1999 Message-ID: <19990306050205.11442.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.75] From: "Simon Cooke" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Zilog Assemblers! Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 21:02:05 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 312 Lines: 11 For those who are interested.... Zilog have released their Zilog Developer Studio v2.00 as a free download from their site! Hit: http://www.zilog.com, and go to the software download section :) Si ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Mar 6 07:20:35 1999 Message-ID: <19990306071605.3888.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.72] From: "Simon Cooke" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Severe Lameness... Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 23:16:05 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 419 Lines: 15 Ummmm... just out of interest... Why don't we have more stuff on the SAM archive? There's nary a *.dsk file in sight. I can't find anywhere to download The Lyra 3 from in a format I can use. I don't have my disks here, otherwise I'd be copying disks up like mad. So that's my excuse - what's yours? Si ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Mar 6 12:41:04 1999 by mailhost.pemail2.net with SMTP; 6 Mar 1999 12:28:41 -0000 Message-ID: <36E11FD3.1F02A937@pmail.net> Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 12:30:11 +0000 From: Martin Fitzpatrick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Severe Lameness... References: <19990306071605.3888.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 376 Lines: 20 Simon Cooke wrote: > Why don't we have more stuff on the SAM archive? > I don't have my disks here, otherwise I'd be copying disks up like mad. > > So that's my excuse - what's yours? im lazy ... though guilty conscience may stir me into doing something ....anything you want in particular?? martin -- Email: poohsticks@pmail.net ICQ#: 11077801 AOL/CServeIM: Flupert From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Mar 6 14:36:33 1999 X-Authentication-Warning: enigma.mono.org: unc owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 14:23:28 +0000 (GMT) From: Tim To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Severe Lameness... In-Reply-To: <19990306071605.3888.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 466 Lines: 13 On Fri, 5 Mar 1999, Simon Cooke wrote: > There's nary a *.dsk file in sight. I can't find anywhere to download > The Lyra 3 from in a format I can use. > So that's my excuse - what's yours? I went to put something on before Xmas, and it wouldn't let me write to incoming. ....@/ .............................................................................@/ Unc - Tim Paveley - Moderator of "The Games Room" & "Ascii Animations" http://www.mono.org/~unc/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Mar 6 15:14:14 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19990306071605.3888.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 15:00:02 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Severe Lameness... X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 630 Lines: 17 >There's nary a *.dsk file in sight. I can't find anywhere to download >The Lyra 3 from in a format I can use. Alright... The Lyra 3, as a .dsk, is now in nvg's incoming directory. NB. We tried installing SimCoupe (DOS) on a spare PC this afternoon - just to see if it would work... Anyway, it couldn't load the lyra3.dsk file, but SimCoupe MacOS can. YMMV. Andrew -- | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he +----------------+-----------------------------+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Mar 6 22:08:05 1999 Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 22:03:24 +0000 (BST) From: Dave Hooper To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Severe Lameness... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 981 Lines: 29 On Sat, 6 Mar 1999, Andrew Collier wrote: > NB. We tried installing SimCoupe (DOS) on a spare PC this afternoon - just > to see if it would work... Anyway, it couldn't load the lyra3.dsk file, but > SimCoupe MacOS can. YMMV. > > Andrew YMMV = You Make Me Vomit (last time I saw it used, anyway) What does it mean here? Speaking of SimCoupe - Well, Si Owen's Win32 thing, anyway: Like Dan Doore, I seem to have a buttload of machines to play with at the moment. It works on NT for me, and not for him. It works on Win95 for him but NOT FOR ME! So - somethings weird. The Win95 machine has a Matrox Millennium II (and I'm betting that this is the same card inside Dan's NT box?) Si - if you send me a debug version, loaded with "OutputDebugString()"s, i'll send you the output. It just loads and closes immediately. No windows, (as far as my slow eyes can tell) - just double-clik ... bit of an hourglass ... and then nothing. I've got dbwin32 so it's not a problem. dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Mar 6 22:27:05 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 22:21:48 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Severe Lameness... X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 959 Lines: 30 >On Sat, 6 Mar 1999, Andrew Collier wrote: > >> NB. We tried installing SimCoupe (DOS) on a spare PC this afternoon - just >> to see if it would work... Anyway, it couldn't load the lyra3.dsk file, but >> SimCoupe MacOS can. YMMV. >> >> Andrew > >YMMV = You Make Me Vomit (last time I saw it used, anyway) >What does it mean here? Your Milage May Vary. ie, it just about seems to work for me some of the time. Try it at your own risk etc etc. Perhaps it should be kilometerage in some countries? Andrew NB. Is there a show planned for April? I wouldn't mind an answer like Real Soon Now... Are you reading this Bob? Or have I once again accidentally got onto your amazing kill-file of death? -- | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he +----------------+-----------------------------+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 8 07:02:12 1999 From: Frode Tenneboe Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 07:55:19 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199903080655.HAA10969@asmal.edh.ericsson.se> To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Severe Lameness... X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 550 Lines: 14 > >There's nary a *.dsk file in sight. I can't find anywhere to download > >The Lyra 3 from in a format I can use. > > Alright... The Lyra 3, as a .dsk, is now in nvg's incoming directory. After a few months of inactivity there has been quite a lot of activity on ftp.nvg. The recent uploads has been moved into their directories and quite a few downloads has been done each night (402 last night, which I think is a record of some kind). After it was swamped with linux mirrors before x-mas, it has now got 600Mb free. Keep them coming. -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 8 07:57:38 1999 From: "Robert van der Veeke" To: Subject: Re: Severe Lameness... Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 08:52:07 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19990308075228.6EF8E3AAD@maillist.kabelfoon.nl> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 965 Lines: 24 > Van: Frode Tenneboe > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Onderwerp: Re: Severe Lameness... > Datum: Monday, March 08, 1999 7:55 > > > >There's nary a *.dsk file in sight. I can't find anywhere to download > > >The Lyra 3 from in a format I can use. > > > > Alright... The Lyra 3, as a .dsk, is now in nvg's incoming directory. > > After a few months of inactivity there has been quite a lot of activity > on ftp.nvg. The recent uploads has been moved into their directories > and quite a few downloads has been done each night (402 last night, > which I think is a record of some kind). Could it be that there are a lot yanks amongst them? at c.s.s. there where a few crawling all over the place asking for game ROM's. It looks like it that the ISDA is far more effective (Read pain in the ass) than we thought at first hand. -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Currently listening to : Record of Lodoss war - TV OST From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 8 08:55:35 1999 Message-Id: From: Dan Doore Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 8:44:18 +0000 To: ddh@dcs.ed.ac.uk, sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: RE: SimCoupe for Win32 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /310000000/310102093/310102123/310460310/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 157e" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 525 Lines: 18 > Which Matrox card you got? Millennium / Millennium II / > Millennium G200 / ... / ... ? Original Millennium (2064W). > It's working fine over here on a NT4SP3 (it might be SP4 but > ... dunno... > don't think it is) Matrox Millennium. Latest drivers, as far > as I'm aware. > Millennium 2064W ... 2mb ... powerdesk 3.68 ... > you? Hmmm, 4Mb & 3.63 (Certified) Drivers - I'll try the 3.68 drivers and see what that does. Dan. Work: dan@armature.com Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 8 09:51:31 1999 From: "Si Owen" To: Subject: RE: SimCoupe for Win32 Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:46:18 -0000 Message-ID: <000001be6948$8498f0d0$03a046c2@simon.wordcraft.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-Reply-To: <19990305220147.17042.qmail@hotmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 470 Lines: 11 Simon Cooke wrote: > *Ah, the joys of working for Microsoft - namely, we get to run the > unstable stuff so that you get the stuff that works. Or at least, that's > the plan. I tried a beta of the Win98 SP1 I found on the net (*cough*) and it completely screwed up my DirectX stuff - totally unrelated to the DX mystery in this thread! I think I'll wait for the final version now as it took a couple of hours to fix (the NT SP betas have always been fine though). Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Mar 12 09:16:48 1999 From: "Robert van der Veeke" To: "Sam users" Subject: keyboard problems :( Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:02:40 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19990312090254.E612C3AA1@maillist.kabelfoon.nl> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1038 Lines: 23 Hi, i have this problem with my keyboard (probably a broken membrame because keys 1,q,a,l-shift space 0,p,enter,r-shift won't work). Since mr. Blobby and I can't enter through trough the same door anymore it is rather useless to order a membrame or even keyboard from him, as a matter of facts Martijn is still waiting for his copy of "Kaboom", so Brenchley why don't you answer the letters he send to you? Just before Malcolm Mackenzie passed away i mailed him about buying a seccond hand Sam to replace the current one that i have now for more than 8 years. So has anyone a spare membrame or keyboard left, or is he willing to sell the damn-thing, i know that Stefan is suposed to have some membrames, but the last time i heard from him was last october (mailed him yesterday), when i find telephone number i am gonna give him a call >:-). BTW: Stefan, Edwin, Houten is next weekend, march 20, 1999 10.00 o clock. -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Currently listening to : Record of Lodoss war - TV OST From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Mar 12 15:50:00 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19990312090254.E612C3AA1@maillist.kabelfoon.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 15:42:12 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: keyboard problems :( X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1259 Lines: 29 >Hi, i have this problem with my keyboard (probably a broken membrame >because keys 1,q,a,l-shift space 0,p,enter,r-shift won't work). Could be the connectors, rather than the keyboard itself. >matter of facts Martijn is still waiting for his copy of "Kaboom", so >Brenchley why don't you answer the letters he send to you? Kaboom was never to do with Bob - that was always a FRED title, and Colin MacDonald eventually sold Fred to Persona... I still don't know what will be hapenning to that business after Malcolm. >So has anyone a spare membrame or keyboard left, or is he willing to sell >the damn-thing, i know that Stefan is suposed to have some membrames, but >the last time i heard from him was last october (mailed him yesterday), >when i find telephone number i am gonna give him a call >:-). Well, I have a dead Sam in the loft at home which is gradually being cannibalised for spare parts, and the keyboard is intact so far! I won't be going back for another week though. Andrew -- | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he +----------------+-----------------------------+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Fri Mar 12 16:00:25 1999 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:00:25 +0000 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: keyboard problems :( Message-ID: <19990312160025.E27434@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no References: <19990312090254.E612C3AA1@maillist.kabelfoon.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Andrew Collier on Fri, Mar 12, 1999 at 03:42:12PM +0000 Status: RO Content-Length: 361 Lines: 9 On Fri, Mar 12, 1999 at 03:42:12PM +0000, Andrew Collier wrote: > Well, I have a dead Sam in the loft at home which is gradually being > cannibalised for spare parts, and the keyboard is intact so far! I won't be > going back for another week though. Hey you didn't mention that when I said my keyboard was brok... (Sun Sep 20 in case you wanted to know) imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Mar 12 16:44:45 1999 by mailhost.pemail2.net with SMTP; 12 Mar 1999 16:32:38 -0000 Message-ID: <36E941FB.FFC23CC5@pmail.net> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:34:03 +0000 From: Martin Fitzpatrick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: keyboard problems :( References: <19990312090254.E612C3AA1@maillist.kabelfoon.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 787 Lines: 22 hi robert, > So has anyone a spare membrame or keyboard left, or is he willing to sell > the damn-thing, i know that Stefan is suposed to have some membrames, but > the last time i heard from him was last october (mailed him yesterday), > when i find telephone number i am gonna give him a call >:-). might have, migth not :o)... i have two old keyboards that were destroyed, but the membrane may still be working on one of them - it was dropped, smashing the keys of and stuff, so the actual keyboard might be in working order?... if its just the membrane you need i can pop it in the post :o) let me know if you want it, and if anyone needs any spare keys by the way, i've got about 180 of them :o)... martin -- Email: poohsticks@pmail.net ICQ#: 11077801 AOL/CServeIM: Flupert From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Mar 12 16:44:46 1999 From: "Robert van der Veeke" To: Subject: Re: keyboard problems :( Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 17:35:23 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19990312163538.75C013AAB@maillist.kabelfoon.nl> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1503 Lines: 38 > Van: Andrew Collier > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Onderwerp: Re: keyboard problems :( > Datum: Friday, March 12, 1999 4:42 > > >Hi, i have this problem with my keyboard (probably a broken membrame > >because keys 1,q,a,l-shift space 0,p,enter,r-shift won't work). > > Could be the connectors, rather than the keyboard itself. Could be but I tested it and that still seems to work, mind you it is a rather flimsy construction, so testing might work (just wiring the thing from one to the other connector) but the actuall thing itself not :( > >matter of facts Martijn is still waiting for his copy of "Kaboom", so > >Brenchley why don't you answer the letters he send to you? > > Kaboom was never to do with Bob - that was always a FRED title, and Colin > MacDonald eventually sold Fred to Persona... I still don't know what will > be hapenning to that business after Malcolm. Maybe a mix-up, mmmhhh. And indeed the question remains what is going to happen to Persona? > Well, I have a dead Sam in the loft at home which is gradually being > cannibalised for spare parts, and the keyboard is intact so far! I won't be > going back for another week though. At the moment i think that Stefan is a better option, and if he finds some time than perhaps i will see him next weekend in Houten. Will let you know next week if i am still wanting the keyboard. -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Currently listening to : Record of Lodoss war - TV OST From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Mar 12 17:26:26 1999 Message-Id: <001901be6cab$b803d960$6951c29e@dfi07.inf.upol.cz> From: "Aley Keprt" To: "Sam Users" Subject: SimCoupe 0,782a available Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 18:13:54 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 217 Lines: 9 Hello everybody! I'm pretty new on sam-users list, but I've got something for you. You can download the latest SimCoupe 0.782a and SAAemu 0.50 from http://www.upol.cz/~keprta/sam. (source & EXE release) Aley Keprt From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Mar 12 17:50:44 1999 From: "Si Owen" To: Subject: RE: keyboard problems :( Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 17:44:12 -0000 Message-ID: <000201be6caf$f0ac8fb0$4573989e@simon.wordcraft.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <36E941FB.FFC23CC5@pmail.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 256 Lines: 8 Martin Fitzpatrick wrote: > let me know if you want it, and if anyone needs any spare keys by the > way, i've got about 180 of them :o)... I don't suppose you have a spare PSU you want to sell? Otherwise I'll give Bob's a try (BrenchleyR@aol.com ?. Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Mar 12 18:46:24 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19990312160025.E27434@comlab.ox.ac.uk> References: ; from Andrew Collier on Fri, Mar 12, 1999 at 03:42:12PM +0000 <19990312090254.E612C3AA1@maillist.kabelfoon.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 18:37:15 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: keyboard problems :( X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 743 Lines: 20 Ian Collier wrote: >On Fri, Mar 12, 1999 at 03:42:12PM +0000, Andrew Collier wrote: >> Well, I have a dead Sam in the loft at home which is gradually being >> cannibalised for spare parts, and the keyboard is intact so far! I won't be >> going back for another week though. > >Hey you didn't mention that when I said my keyboard was brok... >(Sun Sep 20 in case you wanted to know) Well you said you'd fixed it, and I thought you knew about the one in the loft anyway.... Andrew -- | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he +----------------+-----------------------------+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Mar 12 19:14:10 1999 by mailhost.pemail2.net with SMTP; 12 Mar 1999 19:09:36 -0000 Message-ID: <36E966C6.A28B4B33@pmail.net> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 19:11:02 +0000 From: Martin Fitzpatrick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: keyboard problems :( References: <000201be6caf$f0ac8fb0$4573989e@simon.wordcraft.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 731 Lines: 24 > Martin Fitzpatrick wrote: > > let me know if you want it, and if anyone needs any spare keys by the > > way, i've got about 180 of them :o)... > > I don't suppose you have a spare PSU you want to sell? Otherwise I'll give > Bob's a try (BrenchleyR@aol.com ?. > afraid not :o)... well, i *have* one, but given whats been said, i kind of want to hang onto it .... its been going fine since i got it in.. ooh... 1989?.. or thereabouts :o)... i knew someone else with a sam, who i dont think uses it - and he definately still has the PSU - since he wouldnt give it me (despite that i had his sam :o>)... i'll try and beat it out of him next time, martin -- Email: poohsticks@pmail.net ICQ#: 11077801 AOL/CServeIM: Flupert From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Mar 12 22:26:04 1999 Message-ID: <19990312222111.29721.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.79] From: "Simon Cooke" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Assembler... Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:21:11 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1452 Lines: 32 Well, folks, the Assembler is moving onwards. The lexer is up and running quite happily, and I'm in the middle of writing the parser. Then it's the preprocessor and the support code wrapped around it. Now, at the moment, the assembler itself is WFC-specific. However, that's easily changed by me writing a couple of classes from scratch (and changing a few headers). It's written in Java, but when it's complete, I'll probably end up rewriting it in C. However, if I release the assembler as a bundle of java files, you'll be able to use it on whatever platform you like, and it'll happily produce SAM files. Speaking of which, I may be able to mung it so that you can create a disk file of the finished project, with SAM files on the disk. Should make testing a little easier until we get some debug hooks into the win32 port. The IDE is on hold for the moment (and will only be released in WFC/win32 specific C code -- so nerr); I want to add some buffering and virtualize the coloring lexer and parser (I also want to put the lexer and the parser in two separate worker threads). Also, I'm getting lazy; coding for 12 hours a day and then coming home and working on stuff is a bit of a pain. I also want to add codesense-style syntax checking to the lexer/parser, so that you can tell if you've typed something wrong pretty instantly. Well, that's yer lot for now. Si Si Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Mar 12 22:34:03 1999 Message-ID: <003701be6da1$07b4bc40$855008c3@persona> From: "Darren" To: Subject: Re: Severe Lameness... Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 22:29:58 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 86 Lines: 4 There is an 8-bit show planned in September in Birmingham... may be worth going to! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Mar 12 22:34:03 1999 Message-ID: <004a01be6da1$5fbc70e0$855008c3@persona> From: "Darren" To: Subject: Re: Severe Lameness... Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 22:32:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 439 Lines: 20 Oh! BTW - This was actually sent by David L ;) -----Original Message----- From: Darren To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: 12 March 1999 22:28 Subject: Re: Severe Lameness... >Thanks for using NetForward! >http://www.netforward.com >v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v > >There is an 8-bit show planned in September in Birmingham... may be worth >going to! > > > > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Mar 13 01:32:24 1999 From: PGLOVER43@aol.com Message-ID: <5a75bef.36e9becf@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 20:26:39 EST To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Severe Lameness... NOT a Birmingham 8-bit show Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 118 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2044 Lines: 62 In a message dated 12/03/99 22:27:51 GMT Standard Time, darrenh@cyberjunkie.com writes: << There is an 8-bit show planned in September in Birmingham... may be worth going to! >> Careful, Darren..... The show is in Walsall, which is NOT Birmingham, more like the Black Country. We get touchy over boundaries in the Midlands! Also, never make the mistake of confusing inhabitants of St Helens with the inhabitants of Liverpool. They may be geographically close, but not the same. (As a Mr. Dave Whitmore may inform you.) At the risk of repetition, here's the original 'advert', taken from an e-mail some weeks back: --------------------------- Event: The 1999 UK 8-bit Convention UK8 Where: The Saddlers Club, Walsall, Nr Birmingham, England Date: Sunday, September 26th 1999 Times: 9.30 - 5 (bar open from 12 3.30) Cost: 2 per person admission (by ticket only). Tables bookable (*probably* up to 40/50 available): 5 each. Priority will be given in the following order; (1) clubs and magazines (2) commercial suppliers/supporters (3) individuals. Any profit left over at the end will be put back into another event next year. Nobody is getting a wage out of it! Awards will be made to the best exhibitors in various categories on the day. We expect it to be a sell-out, but send *no* money yet, bookings will open at the end of March (NB: this is *not* an April Fool!) Food facilities available: various, including a McDonalds, are nearby. Or bring your own food. There will be a comfy sit-down and chat area. For a further information as it becomes available e-mail uk8@spheroid.demon.co.uk or write, enclosing an A4 stamped addressed envelope, to Brian Watson, Harrowden, 39, High Street, Sutton, ELY, Cambs CB6 2RA, England. It would be appreciated if this information could be passed to any user groups, fanzine editors or commercial supporters who might be interested in attending. -- Brian --------------------- Could be worth visiting. I intend to go along. Any other SAM users going? Phil Glover, Birmingham. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Mar 13 02:01:41 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5a75bef.36e9becf@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 01:47:06 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Severe Lameness... NOT a Birmingham 8-bit show X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1229 Lines: 33 At 1:26 am +0000 13/3/99, PGLOVER43@aol.com wrote: >Event: The 1999 UK 8-bit Convention UK8 > Tables bookable (*probably* up to 40/50 available): 5 each. Priority >will be given in the following order; (1) clubs and magazines (2) commercial >suppliers/supporters (3) individuals. >We expect it to be a sell-out, but send *no* money yet, bookings will open >at the end of March (NB: this is *not* an April Fool!) >For a further information as it becomes available e-mail >uk8@spheroid.demon.co.uk or write, enclosing an A4 stamped addressed >envelope, to Brian Watson, Harrowden, 39, High Street, Sutton, ELY, Cambs >CB6 2RA, England. >Could be worth visiting. I intend to go along. Any other SAM users going? Sounds very interesting actually (Why didn't I notice this first time round? Must have been a very busy week!) It would be nice to have a decent Sam presence there. Is anyone planning to book a table? Bob? Might book one myself actually... Andrew -- | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he +----------------+-----------------------------+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 15 02:49:47 1999 Message-ID: <19990315024345.15554.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.76] From: "Simon Cooke" To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Red Dwarf Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 18:43:45 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 430 Lines: 14 Nyah nyah n-nya nyaaaaaah.... I've just seen all 8 episodes of season 8 of Red Dwarf. Ahhhhh.... Smug Mode On, Sir. Simon ps. I just had to do that, after originally thinking that I wouldn't see it for months... pps. Verdict: BRILLIANT. An astounding season, with (apart from a couple of episodes) the best writing in the last 5 or 6 seasons. Ends a bit weird though. Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 15 11:59:43 1999 From: "Robert van der Veeke" To: Subject: Re: Red Dwarf Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:52:55 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19990315115305.884633AA4@maillist.kabelfoon.nl> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 666 Lines: 25 > Van: Simon Cooke > Aan: sam-users@nvg.unit.no > Onderwerp: Red Dwarf > Datum: Monday, March 15, 1999 3:43 > > Nyah nyah n-nya nyaaaaaah.... > > I've just seen all 8 episodes of season 8 of Red Dwarf. > > Ahhhhh.... Smug Mode On, Sir. So what I have seen al episodes of Neon Genesis Evangelion* So beeeeeeeeh to you to -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Currently listening to : Record of Lodoss - TV OST * Not that Eva would make it to British or Dutch TV, to expensive, to controversial, to violent en in case of the UK probably to much nudity in it :P * Nudity in anime is usually called "Fan Service" From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 15 13:28:23 1999 From: Nick Humphries To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Subject: Re: Red Dwarf X-Sender: the-den@clara.co.uk X-Mailer: ClaraNet WWW E-Mail Client Date: Mon, 15 Mar 99 13:10:28 GMT Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 208 Lines: 14 > Nyah nyah n-nya nyaaaaaah.... > > I've just seen all 8 episodes of season 8 of Red Dwarf. > > Ahhhhh.... Smug Mode On, Sir. What a smeeeeee... What a smeeeeee... What a smeeeeee....heeeeeeee....! Nick From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 15 15:59:47 1999 From: "Si Owen" To: Subject: RE: Assembler... Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 15:44:42 -0000 Message-ID: <000e01be6efa$be433ef0$03a046c2@simon.wordcraft.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-Reply-To: <19990312222111.29721.qmail@hotmail.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1105 Lines: 29 Hi Si, > Well, folks, the Assembler is moving onwards. The lexer is up and > running quite happily, and I'm in the middle of writing the parser. Then > it's the preprocessor and the support code wrapped around it. Have you drawn up any lists of operators and directives it'll take that we can see? Are you going for SC_ASSEMBLER like 'type as one lump and still get recognised' line processing? > Speaking of which, I may be able to mung it so that you can create a > disk file of the finished project, with SAM files on the disk. Should > make testing a little easier until we get some debug hooks into the > win32 port. I've got a simple WM_COPYDATA handler in there already for injecting data into a running version, so that could be expanded upon if needed. There's nothing for getting data from it yet, but that's just as easy to do. Do you have any specific requirements? > Also, I'm getting lazy; coding for 12 hours a day and then coming home > and working on stuff is a bit of a pain. hehe :-) Alyson's been trying to get me to cut down on the extra time I play with stuff at home! Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Mar 15 20:54:56 1999 Message-ID: <01D6C7224936D211BA450000F805D5380555D8C8@TOTO> From: "Simon Cooke (Exchange)" To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: Vortex Assembler - Update Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:40:27 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Status: RO Content-Length: 3694 Lines: 155 Well, the assembler is proceeding apace... features so far include: Flag Equates: Flags are local to labels, but each flag must be named uniquely. You can have more than one flag name per bit position though. eg. Say you're setting up the LMPR register for use later. You can set up the flags at the same time! LMPR: EQU 250 LMPR: EQUF 7 : WPROT, 6 : ROM1, 5 : ROM0 ... or even... FLAGS: EQUF 3 : DOTHIS, 2 : DOTHAT, 1:DOTHEOTHER, 0:ERROR However, in this case, FLAGS is not defined anywhere else; so LD A,(FLAGS) would give an undefined label error. However, you could still do LD A,FLAGS:DOTHIS and it'd be quite happy. And you'd access the flags like this... IN A,(LMPR) BIT LMPR:WPROT, A AND LMPR:ROM1 | LMPR:ROM0 Bit Value/Position operators: ~ returns a bit position (log2 n) @ returns a bit value (2^n) BIT, RES and SET's all have implicit bit position operators on all flags equates used. So, for the example above: IN A,(LMPR) BIT LMPR:WPROT, A ; is actually... BIT ~LMPR:WPROT,A All other uses of flags have an implicit bit-value operator. So for the AND part of the example above, that is: AND @LMPR:ROM1 | @LMPR:ROM0 Errors are generated if the @ operator is passed a value which is not a positive integer from 0-31, or if the ~ operator is passed a value which is not 2^n where 0 <= n <= 31. The BIT,RES and SET instructions, before utilising the value provided, will ensure that it is a +ve integer from 0-7 was passed in. If the value is not a positive integer (or zero), it will generate an error. If it is out of range (ie. > 7), it will be moved into range (& 7) and a warning will be generated. Macros work like this: DEFMACRO pushall l1: PUSH AF EX AF,AF' PUSH AF l2: PUSH DE PUSH BC PUSH HL EXX PUSH DE PUSH BC PUSH HL PUSH IX PUSH IY ENDMACRO To use the macro in your code, you'd do this: MACRO pushall To access the labels in the macro (which are local to the macro), you'd do this: OR A JP Z,mymacro:l2 mymacro: MACRO pushall ... passing data into macros works as in #DEFINE in C; you pass a string, and it gets tokenized. EG: DEFMACRO mymacro($rega,$regb) PUSH AF LD A,rega LD rega,regb LD regb,A POP AF ENDMACRO - but this needs more work. Other label operations: