From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 13 16:05:57 1999 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:00:58 +0100 (BST) From: Dave Hooper To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: RE: Win32 SimCoupe (was: Z80 flags for INI(R) and OTI(R)? #2 (oops!)) In-Reply-To: <000101be85b8$79af97a0$03a046c2@simon.wordcraft.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 584 Lines: 17 On Tue, 13 Apr 1999, Si Owen wrote: > It'd probably work if done as a C union, but I wasn't sure how efficient > that'd compile up to be compared to the simple variable version. I might > give it a try with HL to see what different it makes. > > Si I was under the (probably ill-informed) impression that C unions were actually DEAD EFFICIENT. Maybe that efficency goes down if you try to access individual bytes from a union of, say, two eight-bit bytes or one sixteen-bit word (since those bytes cannot possibly be aligned to a 32bit boundary). Try it and see, I guess. dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 13 16:54:59 1999 (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with ESMTP id for ; ti, 13 apr 1999 17:52:42 +0200 Message-Id: From: Peder Louring Laustsen To: "'SAM Coupe mailing liste'" Subject: Hardwarehelp wanted!! Any ideas? Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 17:55:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id QAA13467 Status: RO Content-Length: 1532 Lines: 33 Hello SAM Coupe users I have been watching this maillist for some weeks now and I must say I´m impressed of how much it is being used.... I can see by the writers to the list that it is all who has been with SAM Coupe from the very beginning.... nice :-) I have by now a couple of Qs wich I hope you specialists can help me with..... I own the SAM 512K dual-drive, 1M RAM, serial/centronics interface, Two-Up, Mouse, SD software IDE hard drive interface+Conner 203Mb drive....... and a lot of software / games. E-tracker, SoundMachine, SAMpaint, PIPEMANIA, Lemming 1+2, Coupe "windows" +Extras disk, SAM C.....+more!! Been supported FRED disk and FORMAT magazine until 1 year ago.... All on user level!! No programming!! The Q is: the DOS for the SD interface is not working (never has), I read in FORMAT magazine that the source code has been lost and will need to be rewritten.... Sh..!! Will BDOS work with the SD IDE interface?? Or should I take a download and just try it out?? I´ve seen the quote "SAM in a pc case, up and running" somewhere in FORMAT, in an artikel from a Glouster Show some time ago. Since then I´ve been looking for a pc case for my SAM. My idea is SAM in pc case with all interfaces connected at the same time and with a pc keyboard. Is there any (easy) way to connect a pc keyboard to SAM?? There must be some kind of multiplex/demultiplex as the scanning of the keyboard is on the SAM board and pc keyboard is connected with a DIN..!! Any ideas?? Sincerly Peder Laustsen Denmark pella@tdk.dk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 13 17:16:44 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF598E80@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: Hardwarehelp wanted!! Any ideas? Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 17:06:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id RAA14060 Status: RO Content-Length: 1191 Lines: 34 >Hello SAM Coupe users Hi! :) > I have been watching this maillist for some weeks now and I must say I´m >impressed of how much it is being used.... I can see by the writers to the >list that it is all who has been with SAM Coupe from the very beginning.... >nice :-) Umm... Not quite all... And there's all us nice people who haven't been there from the beginning aswell (just observed from the beginning) > The Q is: the DOS for the SD interface is not working (never has), I read >in FORMAT magazine that the source code has been lost and will need to be >rewritten.... Sh..!! Will BDOS work with the SD IDE interface?? Or should I >take a download and just try it out?? No. BDOS will not work with the SD interface - completely different systems. BDOS will, however, work on the ATOM interface or so I am informed. (I've never used either, you see) > Is there any (easy) way to connect a pc keyboard to SAM?? There must be >some kind of multiplex/demultiplex as the scanning of the keyboard is on the >SAM board and pc keyboard is connected with a DIN..!! Any ideas?? Someone's made a little box that converts the PC style keyboard to the SAM. Not sure who though.... Justin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 13 18:34:43 1999 Message-ID: <37137F75.6FB7@clara.net> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 18:31:33 +0100 From: Gordon Wallis Organization: HEXdidn't... X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: david@scan.co.uk, sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Hardwarehelp wanted!! Any ideas? References: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF598E80@mailhost.aculab.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1614 Lines: 31 Justin Skists wrote: > > The Q is: the DOS for the SD interface is not working (never has), I read > >in FORMAT magazine that the source code has been lost and will need to be > >rewritten.... Sh..!! Will BDOS work with the SD IDE interface?? Or should I > >take a download and just try it out?? > > No. BDOS will not work with the SD interface - completely different > systems. BDOS will, however, work on the ATOM interface or so I am > informed. (I've never used either, you see) > I shall politely refrain from comment over the 'loss' of the SD interface DOS source code... ...and promptly launch into an advert for the ATOM. I've been using one and BDOS for quite a few months now, and I can recommend to anyone wanting to stick a hard one into their Sam (er, hard DISK, that is). Sure, loads of people (Mr. Brenchley included) complain that BDOS splits your hard disk into floppy disk-sized records, rather than functioning 'properly' with directories and such. Better that than a hard disk interface and a DOS which *doesn't work at all* though, eh? The biggest problem you'll face is remembering the names/numbers of your records. If you're keen to keep your 2-drive setup, you'll probably need the external version of the interface, but I'm sure Edwin Blink can fill in the details on this, as both the ATOM and BDOS are his babies... Alternatively, if you're after a real sales pitch, I'm sure David Ledbury can help out. -- < The HEXdidn't... Homepage: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < ------ Featuring The U.K. Policenauts Homepage ------ > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< http://www.hexdidnt.clara.net > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 13 21:15:34 1999 Message-ID: <000d01be85ea$2a11be80$a05008c3@b7n9l1> From: "David" To: Subject: Re: Hardwarehelp wanted!! Any ideas? Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 21:13:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2608 Lines: 64 -----Original Message----- From: Gordon Wallis To: david@scan.co.uk ; sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: 13 April 1999 18:42 Subject: Re: Hardwarehelp wanted!! Any ideas? >I shall politely refrain from comment over the 'loss' of the SD >interface DOS source code... In all fairness, I do feel sorry for Nev for the loss of his hardwork - after all it is the same chap who then later relented and said how wonderful the Atom was!!! >...and promptly launch into an advert for the ATOM. I've been using one >and BDOS for quite a few months now, and I can recommend to anyone >wanting to stick a hard one into their Sam (er, hard DISK, that is). And more to the point, The Atom is INTERNAL - unlike the other! And for those people scared to open up their SAM and dabble around... (and of course owners of the "Elite") there also exists an option to have the Atom mounted externally as well! I'm currently looking into a fairly inexpensive external powered casing unit to allow the Atom to run with either standard 3.5 or 2.5 hard drives... strangely enough, the case would also allow the usage of an external CDROM.... now - all we need is something to use it...! Oh what a co-incidence! Martijn Greon just happens to have written a Spectrum Emulator which supports the CDRom...! >Sure, loads of people (Mr. Brenchley included) complain that BDOS splits >your hard disk into floppy disk-sized records, rather than functioning >'properly' with directories and such. Better that than a hard disk >interface and a DOS which *doesn't work at all* though, eh? The biggest And more to the point - BDOS uses all real Basic commands! And most decent commercial software has already been converted! (You should see the Atom version of SAM Paint...! Makes it a lot easier overall to use!) >problem you'll face is remembering the names/numbers of your records. Welll... perhaps that isn't such a problem as BDOS does allow you full 16 character names! And if you use a nice and quick front end such as the one from Martijn Green - only a couple of K long - then it makes selecting the correct RECORD a piece of cake. >If you're keen to keep your 2-drive setup, you'll probably need the >external version of the interface, but I'm sure Edwin Blink can fill in >the details on this, as both the ATOM and BDOS are his babies... >Alternatively, if you're after a real sales pitch, I'm sure David >Ledbury can help out. Ta muchly! Yep, the external version also exists - for very little more than the internal... please email for further info. David L From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 14 08:04:01 1999 From: with SMTP id <0FA600BJK3FW76@olive.uk.pw.com> for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 08:00:06 +0100 (BST) intleursmtp10.uk.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 80256753.002676D5 ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 08:00:07 +0100 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 09:04:32 +0200 Subject: Re: ATOM / HDOS source (was Re: Hardwarehelp wanted!! Any ideas?) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Message-id: <80256753.002667EC.00@intleursmtp10.uk.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L NL@C&L INT@INTL X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1566 Lines: 37 David L wrote: >>I shall politely refrain from comment over the 'loss' of the SD >>interface DOS source code... > >In all fairness, I do feel sorry for Nev for the loss of his hardwork - >after all it is the same chap who then later relented and said how wonderful >the Atom was!!! Did I ever mention that Nev sent me the HDOS sources? Or maybe I shouldn't have said that, now Nev will have to lose the source again to be rid of the horrid DOS... >>If you're keen to keep your 2-drive setup, you'll probably need the >>external version of the interface, but I'm sure Edwin Blink can fill in >>the details on this, as both the ATOM and BDOS are his babies... >>Alternatively, if you're after a real sales pitch, I'm sure David >>Ledbury can help out. > >Ta muchly! Yep, the external version also exists - for very little more than >the internal... please email for further info. Even with the external version you still can only use ONE floppy drive, it's not the available space that matters but the ATOM uses the second floppy's IO addresses Stefan ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 14 12:19:21 1999 Message-ID: <553417511ABCD211A2C100606DD5DDCB29CBC2@mclmsent03.lon.bt.com> From: matthew.gallagher@bt.com To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: FS UK: SAM Coupe h/ware & s/ware Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 12:11:32 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 131 Lines: 5 <<...>> I think they're reasonable prices (but then I would wouldn't I!) but I'm open to negotiation. E mail if interested... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 14 12:23:01 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004b01be84f0$2e9fe1c0$4c2bcdc2@Darren.automotive-online.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:50:35 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Where can a REAL SAM be obtained from X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 554 Lines: 22 >Any ideas? Yes. Actually I'd try Bob Brenchley first. >Robin@Webnet.force9.net Hmmm. That wasn't the From: address, and the given name was Darren. >Attachment converted: Scratch:Comrac Limited.vcf (TEXT/ttxt) (000018D0) Thanks for that. Just what I always wanted. Andrew -- | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he +----------------+-----------------------------+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 14 12:32:27 1999 Message-ID: <553417511ABCD211A2C100606DD5DDCB29CBC3@mclmsent03.lon.bt.com> From: matthew.gallagher@bt.com To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: RE: FS UK: SAM Coupe h/ware & s/ware Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 12:23:10 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1088 Lines: 49 Hmm, let's try that again shall we? Sam Elite (Latest version of Sam Coupe - 2 intl disk drives, 512k intl RAM, intl printer i/face) ?85 1 meg Extl RAM ?38 SD hard drive I/face & 80 meg hd ?28 Mouse I/face & mouse ?11 Lemmings & Oh no more Lemmings ?13 Elite ?6 T'n't ?6 Football League Mgr ?6 Splat ?2 Defenders of the earth ?6 Colony ?6 PCG DTP ?11 Sam C & Sam Vision ?13 Secretary ?6 Driver ?11 Technical manual ?6 Comet Z80 assembler ?4 Sampaint ?11 Sound machine ?4 Batz'n'balls ?2 SC-Filer ?4 File mgr ?4 Master DOS ?4 Master BASIC ?4 Games Master ?6 Spec Maker ?4 MIDI Sequencer ?6 SC-Speclone ?4 SC-Assembler ?4 SC-Turbo Mon ?4 Sam DICE ?4 Campion ?6 Prince of Persia ?4 Legend of Eshan ?4 > -----Original Message----- > From: matthew.gallagher@bt.com [SMTP:matthew.gallagher@bt.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 1999 12:12 PM > To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Subject: FS UK: SAM Coupe h/ware & s/ware > > > <<...>> > > I think they're reasonable prices (but then I would wouldn't I!) but I'm > open to negotiation. E mail if interested... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 14 12:32:27 1999 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Where can a REAL SAM be obtained from References: <004b01be84f0$2e9fe1c0$4c2bcdc2@Darren.automotive-online.com> X-Face: "J~~0'L`GfL^sW4%+i35x#X308)K/$7\]qy)UZ$`k:}Bx]6mgAA^N5,@brn/19TPn%o;j28 W7mD)UN~se8P9\3?wU.g+i9)X Date: 14 Apr 1999 12:33:11 +0100 In-Reply-To: Sales@comrac.co.uk's message of "Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:24:31 +0100" Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.07008 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.80) Emacs/20.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 598 Lines: 20 Sales@comrac.co.uk (Darren Wileman) writes: > Any ideas? > > Robin@Webnet.force9.net I'm thinking of getting rid of mine, as it just seems to be gathering dust as I don't have much time at the moment and I'd rather it was doing some good somewhere ... Besides I'm moving house and I'm not convinced that my new place will be able to accomodate my ever growing pile of techno-junk :) All offers thought about, Lee. (West Yorkshire if that makes any difference ...) -- I was doing object-oriented assembly at 1 year old ... For some reason my mom insists on calling it "Playing with blocks" From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 14 14:07:13 1999 Message-ID: <003401be8677$530f62a0$4e2bcdc2@Darren.automotive-online.com> From: Sales@comrac.co.uk (Darren Wileman) To: Subject: Re: Where can a REAL SAM be obtained from Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 14:04:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0031_01BE867F.B42BF1E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2014 Lines: 74 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01BE867F.B42BF1E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Collier To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: 14 April 1999 12:14 Subject: Re: Where can a REAL SAM be obtained from >>Any ideas? > >Yes. > > Actually I'd try Bob Brenchley first. > Thanks for that >>Robin@Webnet.force9.net > >Hmmm. That wasn't the From: address, and the given name was Darren. > I am using Darren's old machine - no time as yet to swap the name over. I read a lot about the Sam and just wondered about getting one. The from: address is because i am ato work at the min - the Robin@webnet.force9.net is my home address >>Attachment converted: Scratch:Comrac Limited.vcf (TEXT/ttxt) (000018D0) > >Thanks for that. Just what I always wanted. > >Andrew > >-- >| Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a >| Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he >+----------------+-----------------------------+ calls you foolish >| Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides > > > ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01BE867F.B42BF1E0 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; name="Comrac Limited.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Comrac Limited.vcf" BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Limited;Comrac FN:Comrac Limited TEL;HOME;VOICE:01530 560880 TEL;CELL;VOICE:sales@comrac.co.uk TEL;HOME;FAX:01530 560590 ADR;HOME;ENCODING=3DQUOTED-PRINTABLE:;;Legion House=3D0D=3D0ASouth = Street=3D0D=3D0A;Ashby de la Zouch;Leicestershire;LE65=3D 1BQ;UNITED KINGDOM LABEL;HOME;ENCODING=3DQUOTED-PRINTABLE:Legion House=3D0D=3D0ASouth = Street=3D0D=3D0A=3D0D=3D0AAshby de la Zouch, Leicestershire =3D LE65 1BQ=3D0D=3D0AUNITED KINGDOM URL:www.comrac.co.uk EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:sales@comrac.co.uk REV:19990414T130425Z END:VCARD ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01BE867F.B42BF1E0-- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 14 18:28:24 1999 From: pseudobob@floormat.com To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Hardwarehelp wanted!! Any ideas? Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 17:25:12 GMT Organization: Floormat Publishing Message-ID: <3717c5f5.7770588@relay.clara.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 376 Lines: 12 On Tue, 13 Apr 1999 17:55:11 +0200 Tue, 13 Apr 99 20:00:23 BST, Peder Louring Laustsen wrote: > The Q is: the DOS for the SD interface is not working (never has), I read >in FORMAT magazine that the source code has been lost and will need to be >rewritten.... Sh..!! Sam users should consider themselves lucky that they have floppy disc access! PseudoBob From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 14 18:56:16 1999 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: sskardon@argonet.co.uk (Stewart Skardon) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 13 Apr 99 22:40:44 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Updated SAM pages Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 680 Lines: 26 Hi folks, Long time no see. Things are pretty hectic around here at the moment, what with my new job (at last!) and social life. I've finally got around to giving my SAM pages a bit of an overhaul, and I've also started to add some new DSK images as well. As always, please a) let me know what you think and b) let me know of any mistakes that I may have made. All the best, Stewart -- _ (_'tewart email : sskardon@argonet.co.uk ,_)kardon http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/stewart/ ICQ : 18283999 * * * Stewart's SAM Coupe Information Pages. * * * http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 14 19:04:08 1999 From: "Paul Walker" Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 15:44:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Where can a REAL SAM be obtained from Message-ID: In-reply-to: <003401be8677$530f62a0$4e2bcdc2@Darren.automotive-online.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) X-Hops: 1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 294 Lines: 13 From: Sales@comrac.co.uk (Darren Wileman) Um. Darren, is there any way of getting rid of that vcard junk which seems to be tacked onto your messages at the moment? If so, please take it. :-) Paul -- Where is the human nature so weak as in the bookstore? -- Henry Ward Beecher From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 14 20:45:59 1999 Message-ID: <3714EF5A.23D5@clara.net> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:41:14 +0100 From: Gordon Wallis Organization: HEXdidn't... X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Hardwarehelp wanted!! Any ideas? References: <3717c5f5.7770588@relay.clara.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1002 Lines: 26 pseudobob@floormat.com wrote: > On Tue, 13 Apr 1999 17:55:11 +0200 Tue, 13 Apr 99 20:00:23 BST, Peder > Louring Laustsen wrote: > > > The Q is: the DOS for the SD interface is not working (never has), I read > >in FORMAT magazine that the source code has been lost and will need to be > >rewritten.... Sh..!! > > Sam users should consider themselves lucky that they have floppy disc > access! > > PseudoBob Dammit, they told me that clone of Bob had been destroyed. *Never* trust the scientists with a sentient lifeform. They just go all mushy and say "No, let's just *tell* them we've destroyed it, and then, when they've gone away, we can... set him... FREEEeeeeee!" But look, he also spells 'disk' as 'disc'. How cuuuuute :D "Pass me the can op'ner, Ma, I got me a hankerin' fer some worms tonight!" -- < The HEXdidn't... Homepage: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < ------ Featuring The U.K. Policenauts Homepage ------ > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< http://www.hexdidnt.clara.net > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 14 22:13:16 1999 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 22:11:48 +0100 (GMT) From: Robert Brady To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Waterworks Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 70 Lines: 4 Who owns the copyright to Waterworks (and Waterworks II)? -- Robert From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 14 22:20:14 1999 Message-ID: <008901be86bb$9e0b4e60$9e5008c3@b7n9l1> From: "David" To: Subject: Re: ATOM / HDOS source (was Re: Hardwarehelp wanted!! Any ideas?) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 22:13:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1219 Lines: 31 That does not need to be the case! It is possible to add a simple change to the external version to allow the usage of the internal floppy... although who wants to use floppy as opposed to HD - except if, of course, you're doing a duplication run on the SAM. -----Original Message----- From: stefan.drissen@nl.pwcglobal.com To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: 14 April 1999 08:06 Subject: Re: ATOM / HDOS source (was Re: Hardwarehelp wanted!! Any ideas?) > >Even with the external version you still can only use ONE floppy drive, >it's not the available space that matters but the ATOM uses the second >floppy's IO addresses > >Stefan >---------------------------------------------------------------- >The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to >which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged >material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or >taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or >entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received >this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any >computer. > > > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 14 22:25:52 1999 Message-ID: <00a301be86bd$0600a8c0$9e5008c3@b7n9l1> From: "David" To: Subject: Re: Waterworks Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 22:23:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 305 Lines: 19 Waterworks 1 and 2 belongs to Fred Publishing. David -----Original Message----- From: Robert Brady To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: 14 April 1999 22:18 Subject: Waterworks >Who owns the copyright to Waterworks (and Waterworks II)? > >-- >Robert > > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 14 23:31:58 1999 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:29:24 +0100 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Sam interrupts: the sequel Message-ID: <19990414232924.A2411@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 3936 Lines: 117 Consider a program which sets the interrupt routine to "ini:ei:ret" and then waits for one interrupt with c set to 249 and hl set to a storage area. This will tell us approximately how long the interrupt lasts for by storing one byte per loop round, and it will also tell us whether the status register kept its value for the whole interrupt. Also, by inserting more "ini" instructions we can vary the length of time taken by the interrupt and so narrow it down further. Or by changing the "ini" to "inc l" we can shorten the interrupt routine and perhaps get a more precise answer. By my estimation it takes 16 cycles to enter the interrupt routine. SimCoupe agrees with this but doesn't count it towards the length of time the interrupt is active. The ini takes 20, ei takes 4 and ret takes 12. (If the screen is active then these times are 24, 32, 8 and 24 respectively (the first 24 is again my estimate of the interrupt latency) but this is unimportant as everything seems to take place off the screen even if a line interrupt is being tested). An interrupt will not occur between "ei" and "ret" so the interrupt routine will execute a whole number of times. Timings for various interrupt routines and the number of times round it goes (in the format "52x3" where the routine takes 52 cycles and goes round 3 times) based on the above are as follows. Code My sam SimCoupe 1. ini:ini:ini:ei:ret 92x2 76x4 2. ini:ini:ei:ret 72x2 56x5 3. ini:ei:ret 52x3 36x7 4. inc l:nop:nop:nop:ei:ret 48x3 32x8 5. inc l:nop:nop:ei:ret 44x3 28x9 6. inc l:nop:ei:ret 40x4 24x11 7. inc l:ei:ret 36x4 20x13 >From this we can gather that SimCoupe keeps the interrupt active for somewhere between 240 and 252 cycles. But then we know that as it tells us each time on startup. The real Sam is keeping the interrupt active for somewhere between 120 and 132 cycles. The values stored in the data area from the ini instruction for the real Sam are as follows (SimCoupe is uninteresting because the interrupt line is equal to "status<255"). 1. ini:ini:ini:ei:ret 247 247 247 255 255 255 2. ini:ini:ei:ret 247 247 247 255 3. ini:ei:ret 247 247 255 Line 2 is interesting because the two consecutive "ini" instructions gave different answers on the second time round. This means that if you execute "ini:ini" exactly 88 cycles after the interrupt occurs then the first one gives 247 and the second one gives 255. So (based on my approximate interpretation of the "ini" instruction) the status register keeps its value for somewhere between 100 and 116 cycles. The z80 code and a short binary follow. You can test the binary by loading it at the start of a page (avoiding 49152 because it must start in section C) - let's say &10000 - and printing its usr (or letting a variable equal its usr). This value will be the number of bytes saved. You can then print out that many bytes starting at &10100 (unless you used "inc l" instead of "ini"). Initially it has "ini:ini:ini:ei:ret" as the interrupt routine - you can poke any shorter routine in at &10038. To test the line interrupts you can say "pause 1:out 249,191" just before calling the routine. ;start on page boundary, execute in section C di ld (spstore+&c000),sp ld sp,&c000 in a,(251) and 31 or 32 out (250),a jp lmem hmem: ld a,31 out (250),a ld sp,(spstore+&c000) ei ret spstore: defw 0 defs 56-p int: ; getting here takes 16/24 cycles (?) ini ; 20/32 ei ; 4 /8 ret ; 12/24 ; total to service interrupt = 52/88 cycles lmem: ld hl,data push hl ld bc,249 im1 ei halt di ld (hl),0 pop de and a sbc hl,de ld c,l ld b,h jp hmem+&8000 defs 256-p data: begin 644 ints.bin M\^US'<`Q`,#;^^8?]B#3^L-``#X?T_KM>QW`^\D``"@`"?%O/38P,#`P#3(` J"5MO<'1X*S0-/`#MHNVB[:+[R2$``>4!^0#M1OMV\S8`T:?M4DU$PQ.` ` end imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 15 10:14:50 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF598E86@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: Hardwarehelp wanted!! Any ideas? Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 10:19:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 671 Lines: 23 One hell of a rib-tickling dig at Bob/Format!!! :) Jur. > -----Original Message----- > From: pseudobob@floormat.com [SMTP:pseudobob@floormat.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 1999 6:25 PM > To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Subject: Re: Hardwarehelp wanted!! Any ideas? > > On Tue, 13 Apr 1999 17:55:11 +0200 Tue, 13 Apr 99 20:00:23 BST, Peder > Louring Laustsen wrote: > > > > The Q is: the DOS for the SD interface is not working (never has), I > read > >in FORMAT magazine that the source code has been lost and will need to be > >rewritten.... Sh..!! > > Sam users should consider themselves lucky that they have floppy disc > access! > > PseudoBob From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 15 11:02:41 1999 Message-Id: <00ca01be8726$7241e260$7251c29e@inf.upol.cz> From: "Aley Keprt" To: "Sam Users" Subject: Missing green colour in RGB &TV output Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:58:00 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1078 Lines: 27 Hello folks, I'd like to get help on this... I have my Sam brokne since Oct 1992 (!!!). I have still one strange problem: green colour of RGB is missing. Since I am not experienced in hw I couldn't solve this problem. Now (after 7 years) I now something new: I need to replace one transistor. But where to buy transistors for Sam Coupe? Can anyone help??? I live in Czechland and there are different type sets available here. The ones used in Sam Coupe's circuit are C547B(N) and C557B(P) and I need to buy the >>C547B<<. I have these questions: 1.) What is (N) and (P). (probably PNP & NPN, but which is what?) 2.) Where can I buy C547B? (probably an I-net shop?) What is the price? 3.) Does anybody know some similar transistor which I can use instead of original C547B? ---------------------------------------------------------------- Aley [eili] Keprt - student, programmer (multimedia soft. etc.) phone: +420-68-538 70 35 e-mail: AleyKeprt@bigfoot.com *** http://get.to/aley ---------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 15 12:07:12 1999 Message-Id: <01eb01be872f$71f9c6c0$7251c29e@inf.upol.cz> From: "Aley Keprt" To: References: <000501be82d7$3d3add40$fe26883e@chris> Subject: Re: Copyright Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 13:02:21 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2801 Lines: 73 > At 11:43 pm +0100 9/4/99, Chris White wrote: > >This is an extract from a online Law site > > > >>In many cases, unlicensed copies of computer programs, including copies > >that have been downloaded from >an IAP server, cannot be executed without > >appropriate serial number, or unless the program is altered in >some way to > >bypass a copy protection device. Serial numbers and cracker tools are used > >by unscrupulous >persons solely to bypass such devices, and to make it > >possible for them to use pirated software. A person or >entity who makes > >serial numbers and/or cracker tools available to such persons, therefore, > >commits >contributory infringement, and becomes liable to the copyright > >owner for damages under the Copyright Law. > > > >Which surley means if you deprotect , or offer said deprotection to anyone > >else in any form you are liable? > > No and yes, in that order. > > Nothing in that quote says it is illegal to deprotect software that you > have bought. Why not? Where is written than you can deprotect the software you have bought? Some authors sell two different versions (tape & disk) of ZXS programs. And the tape versions are protected, so if anyone buy a disk drive, he must buy a new version (tape to disk upgrade) of the software. I think he cannot simply make and use software which will depretect the tape and copy it to the disk. > It's fuzzy, but it probably isn't illegal to deprotect software even which > you haven't bought, although downloading it in the first place probably was > illegal. It is illegal to do anything with the software you don't own! > >So if a disk has not standard form of information , and anyone but the > >copyright owner creates a program to read this they have broken copyright > >law? > > No, it is not illegal to create the program. It is only illegal to > distribute it. I think it IS illegal. You can do that program only for educational purposes (at least in some countries). But :))) you can declare anything as "educational purposes", since you are learning how to make something :))) > >So making a backup , the use of software/hardware to do this is breaking > >copyright law? > > If you wrote the software yourself, then No it is not breaking the law. Again, you cannot make the copies of any software. That's the problem of old software on tapes. How can it alive, when we cannot make the backups? > Andrew p.s. Copyright laws can be a bit different in some countries (e.g. Cuba, China, Polland) ---------------------------------------------------------------- Aley [eili] Keprt - student, programmer (multimedia soft. etc.) phone: +420-68-538 70 35 e-mail: AleyKeprt@bigfoot.com *** http://get.to/aley ---------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 15 12:32:36 1999 Message-Id: <020701be8731$b0ab5bc0$7251c29e@inf.upol.cz> From: "Aley Keprt" To: References: <000001be840c$7bacd1b0$4573989e@simon.wordcraft.co.uk> Subject: Lifetime (was: Re: CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON -> SimCoupe & protected disks & Copyright) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 13:18:29 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 673 Lines: 18 I have my floppies since 1991. And most of them work. 97% w/o errors, 3% with some sectors bad. Doesn't is this enought? (I have stored floppies in antistatic boxes.) The main problem of CD's is not the lifetime, the main problem is called people. Many people are unable to keep the CD's in good condition. If we could keep the CD's surface clean, they could alive. ;) ---------------------------------------------------------------- Aley [eili] Keprt - student, programmer (multimedia soft. etc.) phone: +420-68-538 70 35 e-mail: AleyKeprt@bigfoot.com *** http://get.to/aley ---------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 15 12:48:58 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01eb01be872f$71f9c6c0$7251c29e@inf.upol.cz> References: <000501be82d7$3d3add40$fe26883e@chris> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 12:36:34 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Copyright X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2700 Lines: 77 At 12:02 pm +0100 15/4/99, Aley Keprt wrote: [Aley - please attribute the messages!! Andrew Collier wrote:] >> Nothing in that quote says it is illegal to deprotect software that you >> have bought. > >Why not? Where is written than you can deprotect the software you have >bought? I didn't say it was - just that the source Chris quoted didn't say what he said it said. However, I know you are allowed to make modifications[1]. Deprotection then, is probably just another generic modification - unless it is specifically mentioned somewhere else, but I haven't seen that. >Some authors sell two different versions (tape & disk) of ZXS programs. And >the tape versions are protected, so if anyone buy a disk drive, he must buy >a new version (tape to disk upgrade) of the software. I think he cannot >simply make and use software which will depretect the tape and copy it to >the disk. Well I think you're wrong, otherwise (for example) the Multiface would be completely illegal. In fact, they were allowed to keep selling it[1] provided they emphasised that it was not to be used for piracy. >> It's fuzzy, but it probably isn't illegal to deprotect software even which >> you haven't bought, although downloading it in the first place probably >was >> illegal. > >It is illegal to do anything with the software you don't own! On exactly what basis do you say that? I don't know of legislation for this case.[1] Given that it is illegal to have acquired a copy of the software, what you do with it afterwards is probably less important[1]. Though, you might perhaps be charged with Handling Stolen Goods. >> >So if a disk has not standard form of information , and anyone but the >> >copyright owner creates a program to read this they have broken copyright >> >law? >> >> No, it is not illegal to create the program. It is only illegal to >> distribute it. > >I think it IS illegal. And I KNOW that it is not.[1] >Again, you cannot make the copies of any software. No, that is just wrong.[1] >That's the problem of old software on tapes. How can it alive, when we >cannot make the backups? Pardon? >p.s. Copyright laws can be a bit different in some countries (e.g. Cuba, >China, Polland) Oh yes, I am quite well aware of that thankyou. That's exactly why I've been saying *all through this thread* that my comments refer to the UK only and won't be valid in other countries with different laws. Andrew [1] In the UK. -- | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he +----------------+-----------------------------+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 15 13:04:27 1999 Message-Id: <001001be8735$ce5c8960$7251c29e@inf.upol.cz> From: "Aley Keprt" To: "Sam Users" Subject: SCART Solution Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 13:47:57 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1123 Lines: 31 Well, here comes the describtion of scart-to-scart cable, which can be used to connect Sam to TV, VCR or satellite. out: 1,4,3,19,21 in: 2,4,6,20,21 Remember to connect pin 21 as screen. Simply connect the specified pins (IN THAT ORDER!). Then connect "out" side to Sam, and "in" side to TV/VCR/Sat. (VCR means Video Cassette Recorder.) Use a standard audio i/o cable (stereo input+output+screen = 4 wires + screen). This cable as well as two scart connectors should be available everywhere. That's all. If you wish you can also make the RGB cable, as described in the original Sam's manual (at the end of that nice Basic describing book). In that case use cable with 8 wires + screen. Note that RGB cable can be used only for TV's which supports RGB! You should read the manual of that TV before making RGB cable. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Aley [eili] Keprt - student, programmer (multimedia soft. etc.) phone: +420-68-538 70 35 e-mail: AleyKeprt@bigfoot.com *** http://get.to/aley ---------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 15 13:14:46 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF598E88@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: SCART Solution Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 13:10:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 255 Lines: 10 > From: Aley Keprt [SMTP:AleyKeprt@bigfoot.com] > >Well, here comes the describtion of scart-to-scart cable, which can be used >to connect Sam to TV, VCR or satellite. [description clipped] Cool. Thanks. I'll have a go at making one sometime! :) Jut. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 15 13:14:47 1999 From: "Si Owen" To: Subject: RE: Sam interrupts: the sequel Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 13:09:26 +0100 Message-ID: <000101be8738$ce7f7350$03a046c2@simon.wordcraft.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <19990414232924.A2411@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Importance: Normal X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1960 Lines: 44 Ian Collier wrote: > The z80 code and a short binary follow. You can test the binary The binary seems munged again - could you please zip it and resend it? > defs 56-p What's the 'p' part of this? I can't see a label for it, so is it something specific to your assembler? What size should the gap be? I assembled the rest of it but it hung without doing anything, so I guess it > The real Sam is keeping the interrupt active for somewhere between > 120 and 132 cycles. On a related note, I was looking at a repeated interrupt problem with SimCoupe last night. I had a line interrupt routine that was very short so it completed while the interrupt was still active on the status port. This caused the handler to be run for a second time before the active interrupts were cleared from the status port after the 30us (180 cycles). I added an extra variable that is reset when the interrupt is processed, leaving the status_port alone so it can be read by the interrupt handler code. I can't see that it's anything that I've broken from the original code, but that did cross my mind! I noticed this when the scroller in my PacMan was being displayed incorrectly because the 2 line interrupts I used had got out of sync. This only happened after I'd tweaked the instruction timings in the Z80 core, which must have shortened the time taken by the handler to just below the active time, so it was still active when it returned. I noticed that shortening the interrupt active time to 20us (120 cycles) seemed to fix it, as that was short enough to to the reset before the interrupt handler had returned. I'm surprised the multiple interrupt effect doesn't happen with your short interrupt handler - when I can run it I'll have a look! So, would reducing the active time to about 125 cycles, taking the actual interrupt time into consideration for the active interrupt time, and adding the flag to prevent multiple handle calls, cover it? Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 15 13:27:11 1999 From: "Si Owen" To: Subject: RE: SCART Solution Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 13:21:20 +0100 Message-ID: <000201be873a$78006fa0$03a046c2@simon.wordcraft.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF598E88@mailhost.aculab.com> Importance: Normal X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 135 Lines: 8 Justin Skists wrote: > [description clipped] > > Cool. Thanks. I'll have a go at making one sometime! :) Bagsy I try first! ;-) Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 15 13:54:09 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF598E89@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: SCART Solution Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 13:34:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 195 Lines: 12 > From: Si Owen [SMTP:si@wordcraft.co.uk] > >Justin Skists wrote: >> [description clipped] >> >> Cool. Thanks. I'll have a go at making one sometime! :) > >Bagsy I try first! ;-) *LOL* Jut. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 15 13:54:11 1999 From: with SMTP id <0FA800H11E6CRZ@olive.uk.pw.com> for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 13:47:00 +0100 (BST) intleursmtp10.uk.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 80256754.00463B23 ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 13:47:06 +0100 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 14:50:11 +0200 Subject: RE: Sam interrupts: the sequel To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Message-id: <80256754.004612E1.00@intleursmtp10.uk.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L NL@C&L INT@INTL X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 972 Lines: 23 Si Owen wrote: >> defs 56-p > >What's the 'p' part of this? I can't see a label for it, so is it something >specific to your assembler? What size should the gap be? I assembled the >rest of it but it hung without doing anything, so I guess it Obviously p is the current program counter value. 56-p will ensure that the next instruction is then assembled at address 56 (also known as the address mode 1 interrupts jump to). ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Thu Apr 15 14:18:55 1999 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 14:18:55 +0100 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Sam interrupts: the sequel Message-ID: <19990415141854.D15568@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no References: <19990414232924.A2411@comlab.ox.ac.uk> <000101be8738$ce7f7350$03a046c2@simon.wordcraft.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <000101be8738$ce7f7350$03a046c2@simon.wordcraft.co.uk>; from Si Owen on Thu, Apr 15, 1999 at 01:09:26PM +0100 Status: RO Content-Length: 1446 Lines: 36 On Thu, Apr 15, 1999 at 01:09:26PM +0100, Si Owen wrote: > Ian Collier wrote: > > The z80 code and a short binary follow. You can test the binary > The binary seems munged again - could you please zip it and resend it? Are you sure? It was fine when it arrived back here from the mailing list. It was uuencoded. > > defs 56-p > What's the 'p' part of this? I can't see a label for it, so is it something > specific to your assembler? Ah sorry, yes it is. :-) Stefan is correct: p is the program counter, which is called $ in COMET, I believe. The name p comes from P% in BBC BASIC. > I'm surprised the multiple interrupt effect doesn't happen with your short > interrupt handler - when I can run it I'll have a look! Er, the multiple interrupt effect is the *whole point*! The purpose of my program is to see how many times the multiple interrupt occurs, and thus determine how long the Sam holds the interrupt line for. If you say EI while the interrupt line is still active then it will re-interrupt (well that's not quite true because it only occurs after the instruction following EI). The thing with SimCoupe is that the numbers seem to be wrong - it has 240 instead of about 120 - and the erstwhile bug in Andrew's chessboard demo illustrates that the status register loses its value towards the end of that period, so you can actually have an interrupt with no clear bit in the status register (but not in SimCoupe). imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 15 14:50:56 1999 From: "Si Owen" To: Subject: RE: Sam interrupts: the sequel Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 14:35:27 +0100 Message-ID: <000301be8744$d2e743d0$03a046c2@simon.wordcraft.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <80256754.004612E1.00@intleursmtp10.uk.pw.com> Importance: Normal X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 850 Lines: 21 Stefan Drissen wrote: > Obviously p is the current program counter value. 56-p will ensure that > the next instruction is then assembled at address 56 I wondered about p being PC, but 56 minus PC (that is about 32797 because of my ORG 32768) didn't make any sense! I now presume that it means pad out the code (with NOPs or whatever) up to address 56 so some code can be there for an IM 1 handler. Is this the Comet assembler? Where does it default to putting the code if it assumes that PC is zero? 32768? I might have a better chance at getting it to build right under the SC_ASSEMBLER or Lerm assembler, if I can remember the directives to use (DISP in one of them I think...). If all else fails I'll pad it out manually! > (also known as the address mode 1 interrupts jump to). ... and I've always thought the reset code was there! Si From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Thu Apr 15 14:59:45 1999 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 14:59:45 +0100 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Sam interrupts: the sequel Message-ID: <19990415145945.E15568@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no References: <80256754.004612E1.00@intleursmtp10.uk.pw.com> <000301be8744$d2e743d0$03a046c2@simon.wordcraft.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <000301be8744$d2e743d0$03a046c2@simon.wordcraft.co.uk>; from Si Owen on Thu, Apr 15, 1999 at 02:35:27PM +0100 Status: RO Content-Length: 657 Lines: 15 On Thu, Apr 15, 1999 at 02:35:27PM +0100, Si Owen wrote: > I wondered about p being PC, but 56 minus PC (that is about 32797 because of > my ORG 32768) didn't make any sense! Ah well, you see, the code is meant to be compiled starting at PC=0 (I now realise it contains a silly mistake in adding &c000 instead of &8000 to the value of spstore but that won't matter unless you have other data in memory at the same time as this program). You will have to enable remote assembly (the "dump" keyword comes to mind but that could be completely wrong). > Is this the Comet assembler? No, it's the spectrum assembler wot I wrote. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 15 15:11:39 1999 Message-Id: <002301be8748$3897f370$7751c29e@inf.upol.cz> From: "Aley Keprt" To: References: <000101be81de$b0cc1480$03a046c2@simon.wordcraft.co.uk> Subject: Re: SimCoupe & protected disks Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 15:59:39 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1502 Lines: 36 > Chris White wrote: > > your are not aloud to create a copy of anything , without the copyright > > owners permission. Having a backup of a disk thats not used for illegal > > purposes , is like have a gun and NEVER thinks of firing it (Pointless) > > Are you 100% sure about this? The +D interface on the Spectrum was fairly > well geared towards transferring tape based software to disk, and that > seemed to be acceptable. Is that any different from what is being done when > creating disk images? Microdrive & disk drives for ZXS was 15 years ago. That time people didn't think like we do now. Making Microdrive is the same as making "disk image creator". You can use it to backup your own software (made by you). So making a floppy-to-image converter is legal, using it is legal too. You can use it on protected disks too. Chris White can use it to duplicate his own games :) It is still legal. The problem of copying protected disks is not a problem of that converter. Converter is surely legal, you simply cannot create illegal copies of anything. (The same as monitor: To have a monitor is legal, but if you throw it on somebody's head and kill him, this is illegal, not monitor itself.) The only I want to say is that if somebody makes and distributes a program which will convert protected disks to disk image and backwards, it is surely legal. I must mention this, since somebody wrote that the author of that converter should be liable for cash losses of software developers. A.K. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 15 15:27:13 1999 Message-Id: <005401be874a$65fa3a60$7751c29e@inf.upol.cz> From: "Aley Keprt" To: References: <008e01be81e3$875c8760$18c348c2@Enterprise.enterprise.net> <004701be81e7$ab16cfe0$71913b9d@dns.microsoft.com> Subject: Parallax (Re: SimCoupe & protected disks) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 16:15:21 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1075 Lines: 27 > Best thing I ever heard was Mat of ESI telling me that it took him over 24 > hours, non-stop coding, to crack the protection I wrote for Parallax. > > :) > > Simon (NSFMSFT) You both are happy people, since I have never seen Parallax. (I think my problem is, that I live neither in Britain (to buy the software easily), nor in Polland (to get illegal copies easily)). Maybe it is time to move... Some time ago one guy send me a new game for Sam Coupe in DSK file. As I saw, that was his own game, and it had a protection, so I saw only title screen. I asked him, what happened, and that guy said: "Of course, there is a protection. I've sent it to you since you wrote you miss some new games." I really miss some new games, especially protected ones in DSK files :))) ---------------------------------------------------------------- Aley [eili] Keprt - student, programmer (multimedia soft. etc.) phone: +420-68-538 70 35 e-mail: AleyKeprt@bigfoot.com *** http://get.to/aley ---------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 15 15:27:14 1999 Message-Id: <004501be8749$5744ed90$7751c29e@inf.upol.cz> From: "Aley Keprt" To: References: <000d01be81e6$3a442c00$71913b9d@dns.microsoft.com> Subject: E-Copy 3 (was: Re: SimCoupe & protected disks) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 16:07:47 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1950 Lines: 53 Where can I get E-Copy 3? ---------------------------------------------------------------- Aley [eili] Keprt - student, programmer (multimedia soft. etc.) phone: +420-68-538 70 35 e-mail: AleyKeprt@bigfoot.com *** http://get.to/aley ---------------------------------------------------------------- > From: Aley Keprt > > > Can anyone recommend any demos or games that have use fairly > non-standard > > > disk formats? > > > > I can only recommend not to do this! > > If soomeone made a protection, he probably wanted us not to copy these > > diskettes. I'm affraid about copyright laws. > > But if you already own the software that has the protection on it, surely > it's legal? > > (by the way, that was rhetorical - it is very much legal) > > > In addition, it is very problematic to use nonstandard formats under > > Win32. Also, some features of Sam's drive are not compatible with pc's > > drive. it simply cannot handle sectors other than 4 statndard sizes. > > Since Sam can physically hanle much more sector sizes, it is almost > > unpossible to use protected disks on pc. > > I don't believe that's the main problem; the VL1772-02 can only handle 4 > sector sizes -- 128,256,512 and 1024 bytes. However, it can mix & match > sector sizes on one track, and also can spoof address blocks; so that is > more problematic. > > A program written on a SAM should be able to copy these disks though. > > > if we would copy these disks to an image, we would need a special software > > for the regular sam. this is another complication. > > Already got it - it's called E-Copy 3. -- minor modifications to dump to > RAM/a PC disk/a specially formatted SAM disk would be easy. > > Simon Cooke > (The views of this poster are his and his alone, and may or may not reflect > the views of the Microsoft Corporation). > > ps. NSFMSFT == Not Speaking For MicroSoFT. [force of habit, I guess] > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 15 15:47:35 1999 Message-ID: <001901be874c$657ce220$dc26883e@chris> From: "Chris White" To: References: <000d01be81e6$3a442c00$71913b9d@dns.microsoft.com> <004501be8749$5744ed90$7751c29e@inf.upol.cz> Subject: Re: E-Copy 3 (was: Re: SimCoupe & protected disks) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 15:29:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2262 Lines: 68 Only from ME :) Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Aley Keprt To: Sent: 15 April 1999 15:07 Subject: E-Copy 3 (was: Re: SimCoupe & protected disks) > > Where can I get E-Copy 3? > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Aley [eili] Keprt - student, programmer (multimedia soft. etc.) > phone: +420-68-538 70 35 > e-mail: AleyKeprt@bigfoot.com *** http://get.to/aley > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > From: Aley Keprt > > > > Can anyone recommend any demos or games that have use fairly > > non-standard > > > > disk formats? > > > > > > I can only recommend not to do this! > > > If soomeone made a protection, he probably wanted us not to copy these > > > diskettes. I'm affraid about copyright laws. > > > > But if you already own the software that has the protection on it, surely > > it's legal? > > > > (by the way, that was rhetorical - it is very much legal) > > > > > In addition, it is very problematic to use nonstandard formats under > > > Win32. Also, some features of Sam's drive are not compatible with pc's > > > drive. it simply cannot handle sectors other than 4 statndard sizes. > > > Since Sam can physically hanle much more sector sizes, it is almost > > > unpossible to use protected disks on pc. > > > > I don't believe that's the main problem; the VL1772-02 can only handle 4 > > sector sizes -- 128,256,512 and 1024 bytes. However, it can mix & match > > sector sizes on one track, and also can spoof address blocks; so that is > > more problematic. > > > > A program written on a SAM should be able to copy these disks though. > > > > > if we would copy these disks to an image, we would need a special > software > > > for the regular sam. this is another complication. > > > > Already got it - it's called E-Copy 3. -- minor modifications to dump to > > RAM/a PC disk/a specially formatted SAM disk would be easy. > > > > Simon Cooke > > (The views of this poster are his and his alone, and may or may not > reflect > > the views of the Microsoft Corporation). > > > > ps. NSFMSFT == Not Speaking For MicroSoFT. [force of habit, I guess] > > > > > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 15 15:47:37 1999 From: "Si Owen" To: Subject: RE: Sam interrupts: the sequel Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 15:30:47 +0100 Message-ID: <000401be874c$8d7657c0$03a046c2@simon.wordcraft.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <19990415141854.D15568@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Importance: Normal X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1284 Lines: 28 Ian Collier wrote: > Er, the multiple interrupt effect is the *whole point*! The purpose of > my program is to see how many times the multiple interrupt occurs, and > thus determine how long the Sam holds the interrupt line for. Ah, I never realised that it could/would be called multiple times, but probably because almost all of the other interrupt handlers I write are long enough to mask the effect! It took me ages to track down my scroller problem, but I thought the multiple calls was the problem that had been uncovered, not realising that reducing the active interrupt time was really what needed doing. So reducing it to 20us (120 cycles) will bring it into line with what a real SAM will do, and the adjustments to take the time to get to the interrupt handler also needs to be taken into account. I guess there might still be some quirks with programs that are very sensitive to it until the instruction timings includes RAM contention (for the patch the start of the main area of the display is being draw on the next line). > so you can actually have an interrupt with no clear bit in the status > register (but not in SimCoupe). So on a real SAM the interrupt handler could be called without a bit reset in the status flags? Or did I read that wrong? Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 15 15:47:38 1999 Message-ID: <002901be874d$0d0add80$dc26883e@chris> From: "Chris White" To: References: <000101be81de$b0cc1480$03a046c2@simon.wordcraft.co.uk> <002301be8748$3897f370$7751c29e@inf.upol.cz> Subject: Re: SimCoupe & protected disks Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 15:34:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1056 Lines: 30 > You can use it on protected disks too. > Chris White can use it to duplicate his own games :) > It is still legal. Only if I own the right to copy it :) > The problem of copying protected disks is not a problem of that converter. > Converter is surely legal, you simply cannot create illegal copies of > anything. > > (The same as monitor: To have a monitor is legal, but if you throw it on > somebody's head and kill him, this is illegal, not monitor itself.) > > The only I want to say is that if somebody makes and distributes a program > which will convert protected disks to disk image and backwards, it is surely > legal. > I must mention this, since somebody wrote that the author of that converter > should be liable for cash losses of software developers. Will find the case for that in UK , A peep got prosicuted for making and transfering a program the Deprotected all Autodesk Software (Silly em for using the same protection in all their software) :) And you still not alloud a copy of E-Copy 3 , unless you publish MY software Chris From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 15 15:47:39 1999 Message-Id: <00ab01be874d$4e0b0850$7751c29e@inf.upol.cz> From: "Aley Keprt" To: References: <00af01be81d7$4e7bcac0$6b51c29e@dfi11.inf.upol.cz> <005301be81e8$110a8350$71913b9d@dns.microsoft.com> <370D09A6.A864BDF9@pmail.net> Subject: WinNT (was: Re: SimCoupe & protected disks) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 16:36:10 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1421 Lines: 41 > > > I really don't understand why "so perfect" WinNT so stupidly hangs. > > and it doesn't even do it in style like the speccy & sam.... back in > those good old days you got flashing cubes of doom.... now its just > black.... at least back then you *knew* something was up (..bahh, when i > was a lad etc... etc..) Maybe we could make an "coloured-boxes-on-hang-up" emulator for PC... This could help us..... This would be a hardware stuff. :))) > > Because you don't believe in it strongly enough. :) > > > > It's only the display that hangs - the kernel will be going on quite happily > > :-) How can you be that sure kernel is still going? If everything is dead, kernel is dead too (I think). > > I suggest you get some new display drivers. > > bullfrog suggested i did that so 'populous 2' would work... on a *new* > computer i did... it killed my computer... I have the same problems on several computers in the school. And be sure, we have many different hardware configurations here. > moral of the story? dont buy good computers... And what are good ones? Are those "hang-up friendly" coputers good? ---------------------------------------------------------------- Aley [eili] Keprt - student, programmer (multimedia soft. etc.) phone: +420-68-538 70 35 e-mail: AleyKeprt@bigfoot.com *** http://get.to/aley ---------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 15 15:47:39 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <005401be874a$65fa3a60$7751c29e@inf.upol.cz> References: <008e01be81e3$875c8760$18c348c2@Enterprise.enterprise.net> <004701be81e7$ab16cfe0$71913b9d@dns.microsoft.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 15:40:46 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Parallax (Re: SimCoupe & protected disks) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 687 Lines: 24 At 3:15 pm +0100 15/4/99, Aley Keprt wrote: >> Best thing I ever heard was Mat of ESI telling me that it took him over 24 >> hours, non-stop coding, to crack the protection I wrote for Parallax. >> >> :) >> >> Simon (NSFMSFT) > >You both are happy people, since I have never seen Parallax. TBH I wouldn't lose sleep over missing Parallax... see http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/computers/secondopinion1.html#parallax :( Andrew -- | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he +----------------+-----------------------------+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 15 15:47:40 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004501be8749$5744ed90$7751c29e@inf.upol.cz> References: <000d01be81e6$3a442c00$71913b9d@dns.microsoft.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 15:41:26 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: E-Copy 3 (was: Re: SimCoupe & protected disks) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 377 Lines: 13 At 3:07 pm +0100 15/4/99, Aley Keprt wrote: >Where can I get E-Copy 3? Sorry, I rather suspect you can't. Andrew -- | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he +----------------+-----------------------------+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Thu Apr 15 15:57:24 1999 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 15:57:24 +0100 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Sam interrupts: the sequel Message-ID: <19990415155724.F15568@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no References: <19990415141854.D15568@comlab.ox.ac.uk> <000401be874c$8d7657c0$03a046c2@simon.wordcraft.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <000401be874c$8d7657c0$03a046c2@simon.wordcraft.co.uk>; from Si Owen on Thu, Apr 15, 1999 at 03:30:47PM +0100 Status: RO Content-Length: 594 Lines: 15 On Thu, Apr 15, 1999 at 03:30:47PM +0100, Si Owen wrote: > So reducing it to 20us (120 cycles) will bring it into line with what a real > SAM will do, and the adjustments to take the time to get to the interrupt > handler also needs to be taken into account. Yes. Or thereabout. > So on a real SAM the interrupt handler could be called without a bit reset > in the status flags? Yes. But only on the second or subsequent of the multiple interrupts. The bit in the status flag goes away after about 100 cycles but interrupts can be re-triggered for up to about 20 cycles after that. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 15 16:01:18 1999 Message-Id: <00b601be874d$e8594a70$7751c29e@inf.upol.cz> From: "Aley Keprt" To: References: <000001be8108$d42f1750$03a046c2@simon.wordcraft.co.uk> Subject: Fred on the web (Re: SimCoupe & protected disks) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 16:40:29 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1147 Lines: 28 > > If soomeone made a protection, he probably wanted us not to copy these > > diskettes. I'm affraid about copyright laws. > > You're afraid about copyright laws, but you advocated putting Fred issues > online?! Yes, yes. But only legally! Why Fred couldn't be legally available on the net. If somebody wants to spread Fred illegaly, that isn't good. (Send illegal copies to my private e-mail. :))) This has an advantage, that nobody will see us. ;-))) > Small hint: the authors of any programs still, as far as I know, own the > copyright to any use other than the one on Fred. Si Cooke knows more about > this than I do, but that's correct AIUI. Again: If Fred would be distributed in DSK form, it is still Fred magazine, and there is no violation of copyrights. The only problem I can see is to bring Fred publisher to put it on the web. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Aley [eili] Keprt - student, programmer (multimedia soft. etc.) phone: +420-68-538 70 35 e-mail: AleyKeprt@bigfoot.com *** http://get.to/aley ---------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 15 16:18:56 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF598E8A@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: WinNT (was: Re: SimCoupe & protected disks) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 16:23:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 605 Lines: 19 > From: Aley Keprt [SMTP:AleyKeprt@bigfoot.com] > >Maybe we could make an "coloured-boxes-on-hang-up" emulator for PC... Heh.. cute! :) >And what are good ones? Are those "hang-up friendly" coputers good? I'm getting to quite like this DEC AlphaServer sitting under my desk... I love the way it reboots itself after crapping up. At least I'm getting good at decoding the crash dumps - quite useful information, too. Oh, the joys of kernel subsystem development.... At least I have the power over people who insist on running stuff on my box! :) (Then again, it doesn't have Alpha WinNT on it) Jut. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 15 16:48:37 1999 Message-Id: <00c901be874f$23ad03e0$7751c29e@inf.upol.cz> From: "Aley Keprt" To: References: <000001be8257$63216090$03a046c2@simon.wordcraft.co.uk> Subject: Re: SimCoupe & protected disks Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 16:46:48 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1491 Lines: 50 > Chris White wrote: > > Private Email me the Disk layout (What tracks are what) , just for my > > curiousity > > Coincidentally I'd just contacted Persona about buying a few software titles > to play with (I've hardly got any games!) and Defender was one of them. > Sounds like a good challenge for some point - it'll give me a chance to > learn about SAM disk formats. }:-> > > > > > Perhaps reading 'real' SAM disks in emulation might be more trouble than > > it's > > > worth??? I would certainly put quality sound emulation at the top of my > > wish > > > list. > > > > True , but unless you can read the disk sound is usless > > Especially as most of the decent stuff probably comes with some sort of disk > protection! Depends on where do you buy the software..... (Polland) Have you ever seen a software from Polland with protection? If you buy a British soft in Polland, there is "cracked by ***" instead of disk protection. And if Mat makes E-Tracker or other soft, other Polland people fastly crack it and spread everywhere. In other words, people from Polland are mainly interested in good sound emulation. Other people are interested in good disk emulation. > > Si > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- Aley [eili] Keprt - student, programmer (multimedia soft. etc.) phone: +420-68-538 70 35 e-mail: AleyKeprt@bigfoot.com *** http://get.to/aley ---------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 15 16:48:37 1999 Message-Id: <00e601be8752$f2e78600$7751c29e@inf.upol.cz> From: "Aley Keprt" To: References: Subject: Sam Juggler (Re: SimCoupe & protected disks) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 17:14:04 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 962 Lines: 29 > At 4:37 pm +0100 8/4/99, Si Owen wrote: > > >Don't some demos also use strange formats to allow more data to be packed > >onto disks, rather than to protect them. Anyone have any samples? > > The only full-disk demos I'm currently aware of are The Lyra 3 by ESI and > the Juggler by Codigo. Both of them use the perfectly standard 2x80x10x512 > format. Yes, Juggler seems to use standard disk format, but it doesn't work in emulator. Any idea? Does Lyra III work in emulator? > Most "recent" games use their own formats. ISTR some old sam-users > discussion about Legend Of Eschan, whose structure sounded quite > imaginative. > > Andrew What means ISTR? ---------------------------------------------------------------- Aley [eili] Keprt - student, programmer (multimedia soft. etc.) phone: +420-68-538 70 35 e-mail: AleyKeprt@bigfoot.com *** http://get.to/aley ---------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 15 17:11:29 1999 From: "Si Owen" To: Subject: RE: Sam Juggler (Re: SimCoupe & protected disks) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 17:08:38 +0100 Message-ID: <000001be875a$38e3c450$03a046c2@simon.wordcraft.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <00e601be8752$f2e78600$7751c29e@inf.upol.cz> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 516 Lines: 16 Aley Keprt wrote: > Yes, Juggler seems to use standard disk format, but it doesn't work in > emulator. Any idea? Hmmm, mine gets right up to the point of showing the animation and just sits at a black screen. Is that the same as you (I presume so!). If I get time tomorrow I'll see if it's anything I can spot... > Does Lyra III work in emulator? It does seem to to me, but looks like it's missing a border effect. Then again I've still not managed to transfer it back to a real floppy to use it on my SAM! Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 15 18:57:23 1999 Message-ID: <000f01be8768$54d69490$71913b9d@dns.microsoft.com> From: "Simon Cooke" To: References: <000501be82d7$3d3add40$fe26883e@chris> <01eb01be872f$71f9c6c0$7251c29e@inf.upol.cz> Subject: Re: Copyright Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 10:49:37 -0700 Organization: McIroSoft MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.2300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.2300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 302 Lines: 9 Aley said: > p.s. Copyright laws can be a bit different in some countries (e.g. Cuba, > China, Polland) Sure, but most countries follow the Berne convention of 1967 (or something like that). China, Russia and a few other places traditionally have not had copyright; but Russia's picking it up. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 15 19:04:21 1999 Message-ID: <003b01be8768$c289ec80$71913b9d@dns.microsoft.com> From: "Simon Cooke" To: References: <000d01be81e6$3a442c00$71913b9d@dns.microsoft.com> <004501be8749$5744ed90$7751c29e@inf.upol.cz> <001901be874c$657ce220$dc26883e@chris> Subject: Re: E-Copy 3 (was: Re: SimCoupe & protected disks) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 10:52:41 -0700 Organization: McIroSoft MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.2300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.2300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 215 Lines: 9 From: Chris White > Only from ME :) > > Chris And that's because all my source disks are still back home in the UK, taking up space in Martin & Maria's loft...... Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 15 19:39:19 1999 From: davgw@clara.co.uk (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Using Sam on a SVGA Monitor Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 18:28:35 GMT Message-ID: <3718f56d.16650245@relay.clara.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1162 Lines: 22 On Mon, 12 Apr 1999 21:00:11 +0100 (BST) Tue, 13 Apr 99 20:00:09 BST, Andrew Gale wrote: >Hmm... Sam users are not alone in this how-do-I-connect-a-monitor >problem. Atari ST and Amiga users have the same problem (well, >older Amigas certainly do - don't know about newer ones), and >so my guess is that a good place to start would be to look in >an Amiga magazine. Every time I pick up an Amiga mag there >seem to be a plethora of adapters to connect PC equipment >and I guess there are PAL-to-VGA adapters advertised there. >The problem might be if they are somehow Amiga specific. I could be wrong about this, but I don't remember any adapters that'd let you run PAL on a SVGA monitor with an Amiga. There are adapters that let you use PC monitors to run hi-res screen modes, but for most PAL games/apps you'd have to revert to a TV or one of those C= lo-res monitors ( I think Phillips made similar ones too). To get the best of both worlds, Amigans had to use expensive multisync monitors. I have one made by MicroVitec, which I still use on one of my PCs, but it suffers at the high end - not allowing more than 800*600. Dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 15 20:51:48 1999 Message-ID: <000f01be8779$4430e440$dd53883e@chris> From: "Chris White" To: References: <3718f56d.16650245@relay.clara.net> Subject: THE LINK TO HOW -> Re: Using Sam on a SVGA Monitor Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 20:50:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 116 Lines: 10 Okay so no-one knows about this then http://www.sasakiuk.u-net.com/vbox.htm Hmm , mabye thats 2 easy :) Chris From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 15 21:42:17 1999 From: PGLOVER43@aol.com Message-ID: <1f32232a.2447a861@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 16:38:57 EDT Subject: SAM floppy disk storage To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 118 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id VAA25285 Status: RO Content-Length: 1201 Lines: 23 This isn't a very technical matter, but I'm sure many of us have numerous SAM disks scattered around. Until now, I've used those cheapo hinged boxes with clear plastic lids, which hold 100 disks at a time. Today after work, I was browsing in a BOOKSALE store in Birmingham's city centre. Among the crap CDs and discontinued cookery books was a display of cassette, video and disk storage items. One that caught my eye was a well-made unit holding up to 240 floppy disks. It takes the form of a rigid box holding a draw with two rows of 120 spaces for disks. The overall look is compact and tidy, but spacious. The beauty of this storage system is that other units can be added on top of it, and secured by clips. They'll prove to be very useful for me, as I can store hundreds of my disks neatly, at long last. The price for these units is £4.99, and bears the name "Atlanta Computer Supplies" They come unassembled, but the instructions are simple to follow. If you've a shop like BOOKSALE, or other store selling such remaindered stuff, it may be worth a look. All I ask is for you to steer clear of the Birmingham one for a few days until I buy two or three more... Phil Glover. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 15 22:30:35 1999 Message-ID: <005301be8786$e7fae6e0$925008c3@b7n9l1> From: "David" To: Subject: Re: Fred on the web (Re: SimCoupe & protected disks) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 22:28:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 509 Lines: 12 And that is really down to Colin MacDonald and whoever takes over the running of the Fred Software range.... -----Original Message----- From: Aley Keprt To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: 15 April 1999 17:14 Subject: Fred on the web (Re: SimCoupe & protected disks) >Again: If Fred would be distributed in DSK form, it is still Fred magazine, >and there is no violation of copyrights. >The only problem I can see is to bring Fred publisher to put it on the web. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 15 22:39:57 1999 Message-ID: <006201be8787$18b06260$925008c3@b7n9l1> From: "David" To: Subject: Re: Sam Juggler (Re: SimCoupe & protected disks) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 22:29:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 239 Lines: 10 I Seem To Recall... -----Original Message----- From: Aley Keprt To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: 15 April 1999 17:27 Subject: Sam Juggler (Re: SimCoupe & protected disks) >What means ISTR? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 16 09:22:29 1999 Message-ID: <001e01be87e1$f11db580$51b259c3@l2u4e5> From: "Peter Harkess" To: Subject: Re: Using Sam on a SVGA Monitor Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 09:19:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 952 Lines: 20 >I could be wrong about this, but I don't remember any adapters that'd >let you run PAL on a SVGA monitor with an Amiga. There are adapters >that let you use PC monitors to run hi-res screen modes, but for most >PAL games/apps you'd have to revert to a TV or one of those C= lo-res >monitors ( I think Phillips made similar ones too). To get the best of >both worlds, Amigans had to use expensive multisync monitors. I have >one made by MicroVitec, which I still use on one of my PCs, but it >suffers at the high end - not allowing more than 800*600. >Dave Yup i have one of those multisync monitors as well ( the same make as Dave`s) which will sync down to pal modes but as he say`s high res screens are a no-go. I do know that my Amiga does work with my PC monitor but you really have to play about with the display settings to get a good screen size. cheers Peter Harkess From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 16 11:40:52 1999 From: "Si Owen" To: Subject: RE: Sam Juggler (Re: SimCoupe & protected disks) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 11:37:48 +0100 Message-ID: <000001be87f5$2bde9fa0$03a046c2@simon.wordcraft.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <00e601be8752$f2e78600$7751c29e@inf.upol.cz> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1036 Lines: 24 Aley Keprt wrote: > Juggler seems to use standard disk format, but it doesn't work in > emulator. Any idea? It's appears to be a bug in the SimCoupe floppy controller, caused by each disk side being treated as a full drive controller with its own set of registers etc. The only time the side bit of the port seems to be needed is for actual data reads and writes. Juggler steps the drive head using the I/O ports for the same side it wanted to move to (224-227 for side 0, 228-231 for side 1), but always checked the track value using the first 4 ports (side 0). So, as soon as it reached side 1 the track value it read back was always going to be stuck at 79 (the last track position on side 0), leaving Juggler in an infinite loop trying to get to the next position. It probably also explains some strange logs I've seen where SAMDOS seems do single steps that wrap the track below zero then back down to the track position needed. Is there any other stuff that doesn't work with SimCoupe? (disk protection excluded, for now) Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 16 20:26:10 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000001be87f5$2bde9fa0$03a046c2@simon.wordcraft.co.uk> References: <00e601be8752$f2e78600$7751c29e@inf.upol.cz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 20:07:55 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: RE: Sam Juggler (Re: SimCoupe & protected disks) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-Keywords: X-UID: 125 Status: RO Content-Length: 664 Lines: 20 At 11:37 am +0100 16/4/99, Si Owen wrote: >Is there any other stuff that doesn't work with SimCoupe? (disk protection >excluded, for now) MNEMOdemo1 part 2 (my bit) crashes. I never did manage to work out exactly why, but I rather suspect it has to do with interrupt timings. Also, according to the website, SamDice crashes on startup, and the Surprise demo crashes before starting part 1. Andrew -- | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he +----------------+-----------------------------+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 16 20:44:10 1999 Message-ID: <00a801be8841$42a7d660$a75008c3@b7n9l1> From: "David" To: Subject: Re: Sam Juggler (Re: SimCoupe & protected disks) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 20:42:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 378 Lines: 17 -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Collier To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: 16 April 1999 20:30 Subject: RE: Sam Juggler (Re: SimCoupe & protected disks) > >At 11:37 am +0100 16/4/99, Si Owen wrote: > >>Is there any other stuff that doesn't work with SimCoupe? (disk protection >>excluded, for now) Defender - thank goodness! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Apr 17 01:13:03 1999 From: davgw@clara.co.uk (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Sam Juggler (Re: SimCoupe & protected disks) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 00:11:01 GMT Message-ID: <3718cf9c.38705000@relay.clara.net> References: <00a801be8841$42a7d660$a75008c3@b7n9l1> In-Reply-To: <00a801be8841$42a7d660$a75008c3@b7n9l1> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 317 Lines: 15 On Fri, 16 Apr 1999 20:42:26 +0100 Sat, 17 Apr 99 00:54:05 BST, "David" wrote: >>>Is there any other stuff that doesn't work with SimCoupe? (disk protection >>>excluded, for now) > > >Defender - thank goodness! He said "disk protection excluded" for christsakes! <\pedant> Dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Apr 17 01:13:04 1999 From: davgw@clara.co.uk (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM floppy disk storage Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 00:11:02 GMT Message-ID: <3719d01c.38833380@relay.clara.net> References: <1f32232a.2447a861@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <1f32232a.2447a861@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 909 Lines: 21 On Thu, 15 Apr 1999 16:38:57 EDT Sat, 17 Apr 99 00:53:54 BST, PGLOVER43@aol.com wrote: >centre. Among the crap CDs and discontinued cookery books was a display of >cassette, video and disk storage items. One that caught my eye was a >well-made unit holding up to 240 floppy disks. It takes the form of a rigid >box holding a draw with two rows of 120 spaces for disks. The overall look is >compact and tidy, but spacious. The beauty of this storage system is that >other units can be added on top of it, and secured by clips. They'll prove to >be very useful for me, as I can store hundreds of my disks neatly, at long >last. Yes, I know about those kind of boxes. I got a couple a few years back. What I'd like to do though is dump all my old disks (along with squillions of tapes) in a skip and say 'hallelujah, bollox(1) and good riddance!". :-) Dave (1) I'd say that just for the hell of it. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Apr 17 10:48:42 1999 From: "Maria Rookyard" To: "SAM Users Mailing List" Subject: Re: E-Copy 3 (was: Re: SimCoupe & protected disks) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 10:45:12 +0100 Message-ID: <01be88b6$fde325e0$LocalHost@register> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 286 Lines: 13 > And that's because all my source disks are still back home in > the UK, taking up space in Martin & Maria's loft...... > > Si Erm, that should be "source disks *were* ... taking up space". You told us we'd have to dump your stuff because your dad didn't have room for it. Maria. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Apr 17 11:14:53 1999 From: "Si Owen" To: Subject: RE: Sam Juggler (Re: SimCoupe & protected disks) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 11:10:25 +0100 Message-ID: <000001be88ba$82d2cbe0$4573989e@simon.wordcraft.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-Reply-To: <3718cf9c.38705000@relay.clara.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 441 Lines: 16 Dave Whitmore wrote: > On Fri, 16 Apr 1999 20:42:26 +0100 Sat, 17 Apr 99 00:54:05 BST, > "David" wrote: > > >Defender - thank goodness! > > > He said "disk protection excluded" for christsakes! > <\pedant> I think he might be referring to some HPEN synchonisation stuff mentioned a while back ; there's probably no reason why they both can't be 'fixed'. }:-> 'thank goodness!' - hmmm, I can guess... 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------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BE8901.E01381E0-- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Apr 17 18:59:47 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <008001be88f5$d3491620$a38343d4@b7n9l1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 18:56:54 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 857 Lines: 27 At 6:14 pm +0100 17/4/99, David Ledbury wrote: > > > > > > > > >
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> > Oh please, get a clue. HTML is for the web, not for email. Don't post HTML on sam-users. Well, you can post it if you really insist, but then we'd have to kill you. Andrew -- | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he +----------------+-----------------------------+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Apr 17 19:11:30 1999 Message-ID: <000001be88fd$0d0e58a0$955008c3@b7n9l1> From: "David Ledbury" To: Subject: Re: Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 19:05:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 261 Lines: 12 Knickers! -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Collier To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: 17 April 1999 19:03 Subject: Re: >Oh please, get a clue. HTML is for the web, not for email. Don't post HTML >on sam-users. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Apr 17 19:26:29 1999 by mailhost.pemail2.net with SMTP; 17 Apr 1999 18:14:09 -0000 Message-ID: <3718CFAC.9B24058F@pmail.net> Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 19:15:08 +0100 From: Martin Fitzpatrick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 756 Lines: 27 >>
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>> >> > Oh please, get a clue. HTML is for the web, not for email. Don't post HTML > on sam-users. oh leave 'im alone... purty colours.... etc. etc.. and... you did just do exactly the same thing... > | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a > | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he was the phrase Natural Sciences (NatSci) intended to be written so its pronounced Nazi?... i just personally find it a bit disturbing when people say "im a second year NatSci"... martin -- Email: poohsticks@pmail.net ICQ#: 11077801 AOL/CServeIM: Flupert From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Apr 17 19:35:08 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000001be88fd$0d0e58a0$955008c3@b7n9l1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 19:17:08 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 395 Lines: 13 At 7:05 pm +0100 17/4/99, David Ledbury wrote: >Knickers! Yeah, whatever. At least you've turned the HTML off this time... Andrew -- | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he +----------------+-----------------------------+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Apr 17 19:47:46 1999 Message-ID: <000401be8901$b11ea220$955008c3@b7n9l1> From: "David Ledbury" To: Subject: Re: Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 19:37:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 272 Lines: 12 Tru... Damn I hate Outlook express :( -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Collier To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: 17 April 1999 19:36 Subject: Re: >Yeah, whatever. At least you've turned the HTML off this time... > >Andrew From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Apr 17 20:54:46 1999 From: davgw@clara.co.uk (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 19:52:10 GMT Message-ID: <3718e5df.6409145@relay.clara.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 271 Lines: 13 On Sat, 17 Apr 1999 19:17:08 +0100 Sat, 17 Apr 99 20:05:27 BST, Andrew Collier wrote: >At 7:05 pm +0100 17/4/99, David Ledbury wrote: >>Knickers! > >Yeah, whatever. At least you've turned the HTML off this time... Shall we kill him anyway? :) Dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Apr 18 00:25:22 1999 From: "Paul Walker" Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 00:23:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Message-ID: In-reply-to: <3718e5df.6409145@relay.clara.net> References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) X-Hops: 1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 317 Lines: 10 > >Yeah, whatever. At least you've turned the HTML off this time... > Shall we kill him anyway? Nah. Just chop off a limb or two. Paul -- Someday a programmer who ignored compiler warnings without understanding them will be arrested for negligent homicide. That will be a good day. -- Szu-Wen Huang on comp.lang.c From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Apr 18 03:02:26 1999 Message-ID: <00a101be893e$9b2f5260$240f883e@richard> From: "Richard Jowett" To: Subject: Re: RT Clock (was: Re: Sam tech info?) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 02:39:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2045 Lines: 63 You can also use the following to see if the clock is present this works with out altering any of the clocks port values. On Exit: BC= 0 Then no clock BC=1 Then clock is present LD BC,0400h ;B= loop count 4 seems to be the minimum CKTESTLP: XOR A IN A,(EFh) ;Read unit port of seconds register AND 0Fh CP 0Ah JR NC, NO_CLOCK DJNZ CKTESTLP INC C NO_CLOCK: LD B,0 RET This can also be converted to BASIC have not got this to hand at the moment. Richard. -----Original Message----- From: Aley Keprt To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: 08 April 1999 5:06 Subject: RT Clock (was: Re: Sam tech info?) >>Simon Cooke wrote: >>> Oh, it's Y2K compliant; but MasterDOS isn't. Try and set a date >>> in the year 2000 - the source code indicates that you're screwed :-) >> >>I was thinking that because it only stored 2 digits for the date that it >>wasn't, but I suppose it's more of a case of any software that doesn't >>handle it properly is not compliant. Anyone thought of correcting and >>rebuilding MasterDOS for next year? > > >MasterDOS 2000? :))) > >>I finally figured out your code writes values from 15 to 1 into the year >>tens value and then read them back to make sure they were all set before >you >>take the clock as installed. I was supplying the current date/time but >>ignoring any writes which failed your check. I've just implemented writes >to >>update the ticking clock it's happy :-) (it doesn't update the PC clock >>btw!). > > >This seems to be clever. > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >Aley [eili] Keprt - student, programmer (multimedia soft. etc.) > phone: +420-68-538 70 35 > e-mail: AleyKeprt@bigfoot.com *** http://get.to/aley >---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Apr 18 03:02:27 1999 Message-ID: <00a001be893e$9a445620$240f883e@richard> From: "Richard Jowett" To: Subject: Re: CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON -> SimCoupe & protected disks & Copyright Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 02:39:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1131 Lines: 42 According to a TV program It is illegal to chip and maybe even to own a chipped PSX (not sure if they said own). Yet loads of shops/people are offering this service, but nothing is really being done about them. If a company as big as Sony cannot stop this then Smaller companies don't stand much chance. Richard -----Original Message----- From: Chris White To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: 10 April 1999 10:33 Subject: Re: CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON -> SimCoupe & protected disks & Copyright > >> Look for a safer platform to write for Chris! >> Every kid around here has a 'chipped' station. > >But if someone had not reverse engineered the PSX , then these kid (That >could not do it themselves) would not have a CHIPPED psx , but then things >are not That bad , but they could be better > >>@ the end of the day proceeds of cash you buy software go as follows >>40% -> Shop >>10-20% -> First Party (Nintendo,Sega,Sony etc.) >>5% -> Distrubutor (From Publihser to Shop) >>2% -> Developer > >>Sad, isnit? > >Yep , > >Chris > > > > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Apr 18 03:02:27 1999 Message-ID: <00a401be893e$a9f2ec80$240f883e@richard> From: "Richard Jowett" To: Subject: Re: ATOM / HDOS source (was Re: Hardwarehelp wanted!! Any ideas?) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 02:56:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 692 Lines: 21 -----Original Message----- From: David To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: 14 April 1999 8:41 Subject: Re: ATOM / HDOS source (was Re: Hardwarehelp wanted!! Any ideas?) >That does not need to be the case! It is possible to add a simple change to >the external version to allow the usage of the internal floppy... although >who wants to use floppy as opposed to HD - except if, of course, you're >doing a duplication run on the SAM. I have a internal ATOM connected externally using a adapter PBC. Is it possible to adapt the internal version to allow the use of the internal floppy. If so please send me details of the changes. Richard. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Apr 18 03:23:14 1999 Message-ID: <001b01be8941$f37ba9c0$1e25883e@chris> From: "Chris White" To: References: <01be88b6$fde325e0$LocalHost@register> Subject: Re: E-Copy 3 (was: Re: SimCoupe & protected disks) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 03:19:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 337 Lines: 16 > > And that's because all my source disks are still back home in > > the UK, taking up space in Martin & Maria's loft...... > > > > Si > > Erm, that should be "source disks *were* ... taking up space". > You told us we'd have to dump your stuff because your dad didn't have room > for it. > > Maria. > So I was correct then :) Chris From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Apr 18 11:30:14 1999 From: Psycho Billy Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 11:23:38 GMT+0 Subject: Win32 SimCoupe X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 184 Lines: 7 Where can I get hold of the alpha SimCoupe for Win32? Peace, Love, Kisses... JohnnaPig Teare JPOL: http://johnnapig.webjump.com "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Apr 18 12:28:59 1999 From: davgw@clara.co.uk (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON -> SimCoupe & protected disks & Copyright Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 11:26:54 GMT Message-ID: <371dbc38.2252352@relay.clara.net> References: <00a001be893e$9a445620$240f883e@richard> In-Reply-To: <00a001be893e$9a445620$240f883e@richard> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id MAA12910 Status: RO Content-Length: 1404 Lines: 30 On Sun, 18 Apr 1999 02:39:43 +0100 Sun, 18 Apr 99 11:42:51 BST, "Richard Jowett" wrote: >According to a TV program It is illegal to chip and maybe even to own a >chipped PSX (not sure if they said own). Yet loads of shops/people are >offering this service, but nothing is really being done about them. If a >company as big as Sony cannot stop this then Smaller companies don't stand >much chance. (sorry, I know this isn't 'PSX Users':)) Not only that. Have you seen those 'chip' cartridges available at the shows for £8 upwards? Plugs in the stations parallel port and you don't need to have the station chipped. They were selling them by the bucketload(1) in at a show in Manchester yesterday. I think Sony are burying their heads in the sand over all this, or something more sinister. I mean, I always thought that the strategy was to make the money on the software and sell the machines as cheap as possible. However, like the Amiga, it seems to be the availability of pirate stuff that drives people to buy the machine in the first place. So they're selling more stations than ever, and the only people who really suffer are the developers. The thing is, if these chips are illegal, then most of the PSX owning populace of the North West of England are criminals. Dunno about other places. Dave (1) Well, not literally. Just a handy excuse for a footnote. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 19 00:21:42 1999 Message-ID: <010601be89f1$a2435d40$985e883e@richard> From: "Richard Jowett" To: Subject: Re: CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON -> SimCoupe & protected disks & Copyright Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 23:39:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id AAA28555 Status: RO Content-Length: 1539 Lines: 36 Maybe it is more sinister. The protection seemed to mainly be directed to stopping illegal imports, or that's at the top of the list on this subject in the PSX mags. Don't know why because all the imports seem to cost more and aren't always in English. Maybe if the station wasn't protected the games would be cheaper? Richard -----Original Message----- From: Dave Whitmore To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: 18 April 1999 10:31 Subject: Re: CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON -> SimCoupe & protected disks & Copyright >(sorry, I know this isn't 'PSX Users':)) >Not only that. Have you seen those 'chip' cartridges available at the >shows for £8 upwards? Plugs in the stations parallel port and you >don't need to have the station chipped. They were selling them by the >bucketload(1) in at a show in Manchester yesterday. >I think Sony are burying their heads in the sand over all this, or >something more sinister. I mean, I always thought that the strategy >was to make the money on the software and sell the machines as cheap >as possible. However, like the Amiga, it seems to be the availability >of pirate stuff that drives people to buy the machine in the first >place. So they're selling more stations than ever, and the only people >who really suffer are the developers. >The thing is, if these chips are illegal, then most of the PSX owning >populace of the North West of England are criminals. Dunno about other >places. >Dave >(1) Well, not literally. Just a handy excuse for a footnote. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 19 00:21:42 1999 Message-ID: <010701be89f1$a32e5980$985e883e@richard> From: "Richard Jowett" To: Subject: Re: COMPUTERMARKET Shows was The State of things Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 00:15:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id AAA28557 Status: RO Content-Length: 619 Lines: 23 Be careful with some of the HD's on sale. Especialy the ones marked untested as I got 2 at about £8 each and only one works and that has a lot of sector errors. I reformated it but that only got rid of some errors and I don't trust the drive enough to use it. Richad -----Original Message----- From: Chris White To: sam-users@nvg.unit.no Date: 27 March 1999 3:17 Subject: Re: The State of things try the following link for COMPUTER SHOW DATE, they had load of 200-540 HD for £10-£30 at Leeds Shows http://www.computermarkets.co.uk/ Chris From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 19 10:18:30 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF598E8C@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: THE LINK TO HOW -> Re: Using Sam on a SVGA Monitor Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 10:23:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 441 Lines: 18 Ahh.. but does it work? What does the output from the SAM look like? > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris White [SMTP:chriswhite@thewhitehouse1600.freeserve.co.uk] > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 1999 8:51 PM > To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Subject: THE LINK TO HOW -> Re: Using Sam on a SVGA Monitor > > Okay so no-one knows about this then > > http://www.sasakiuk.u-net.com/vbox.htm > > Hmm , mabye thats 2 easy :) > > Chris > > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 19 10:34:22 1999 Message-ID: <001a01be8a47$8344fc40$3836883e@chris> From: "Chris White" To: References: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF598E8C@mailhost.aculab.com> Subject: Re: THE LINK TO HOW -> Re: Using Sam on a SVGA Monitor Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 10:32:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 740 Lines: 29 Composite from Scart Socket , and clear with a like noise :) ----- Original Message ----- From: Justin Skists To: Sent: 19 April 1999 10:23 Subject: RE: THE LINK TO HOW -> Re: Using Sam on a SVGA Monitor > Ahh.. but does it work? What does the output from the SAM look like? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Chris White [SMTP:chriswhite@thewhitehouse1600.freeserve.co.uk] > > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 1999 8:51 PM > > To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > > Subject: THE LINK TO HOW -> Re: Using Sam on a SVGA Monitor > > > > Okay so no-one knows about this then > > > > http://www.sasakiuk.u-net.com/vbox.htm > > > > Hmm , mabye thats 2 easy :) > > > > Chris > > > > > > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 19 10:34:26 1999 Message-ID: <001201be8a47$661adc20$3836883e@chris> From: "Chris White" To: References: <010601be89f1$a2435d40$985e883e@richard> Subject: Re: CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON -> SimCoupe & protected disks & Copyright Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 10:31:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 617 Lines: 17 >Maybe it is more sinister. The protection seemed to mainly be directed to >stopping illegal imports, or that's at the top of the list on this subject >in the PSX mags. Don't know why because all the imports seem to cost more >and aren't always in English. Maybe if the station wasn't protected the >games would be cheaper? This is most peoples misconception, games cost so much 'cause SHOP want 40% , Licenses want 12-25% (Sony , Nintendo , Sega) Developers usually get 2-5% MAX And lastly Games are not MAIN STREAM like MUSIC CD's , take GT for PSX , has only sold 2 million world wide , which is SMALL Chris From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 19 13:06:33 1999 From: "Paul Walker" Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:40:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON -> SimCoupe & protected disks & Copyright Message-ID: In-reply-to: <001201be8a47$661adc20$3836883e@chris> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) X-Hops: 1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 496 Lines: 14 > And lastly Games are not MAIN STREAM like MUSIC CD's , take GT for PSX , has > only sold 2 million world wide , which is SMALL Games *for the playstation* might not be mainstream. There are, however, billions of pounds spent on games world-wide. It might just be a comment on the conversion of GT to the playstation, I've seen some absolutely shit conversions. Paul -- Mustrum Ridcully did a lot for rare species. For one thing, he kept them rare. -- Terry Pratchett, Lords and Ladies From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 19 16:17:12 1999 Message-ID: <001201be8a76$e33f40e0$410bf0d4@chris> From: "Chris White" To: References: Subject: Re: CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON -> SimCoupe & protected disks & Copyright Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:11:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1534 Lines: 42 > > And lastly Games are not MAIN STREAM like MUSIC CD's , take GT for PSX , has > > only sold 2 million world wide , which is SMALL > > Games *for the playstation* might not be mainstream. There are, however, > billions of pounds spent on games world-wide. It might just be a comment on > the conversion of GT to the playstation, I've seen some absolutely shit > conversions. GT as in GRAN TURISMO ( From: Dan Doore Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:26:16 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: RE: THE LINK TO HOW -> Re: Using Sam on a SVGA Monitor MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /310000000/310102093/310102123/310460310/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 157e" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 317 Lines: 19 > http://www.sasakiuk.u-net.com/vbox.htm > > Hmm , mabye thats 2 easy :) It is, there's no RGB input on it :-) Which reminds me, must: Replace the video IC to get composite & UHF output back. or Buy another Sam... Dan. Work: dan@armature.com Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 19 22:33:59 1999 by mailhost.pemail2.net with SMTP; 19 Apr 1999 21:29:17 -0000 Message-ID: <371BA003.7FDBD4C3@pmail.net> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 22:28:35 +0100 From: Martin Fitzpatrick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON -> SimCoupe & protected disks & Copyright References: <00a001be893e$9a445620$240f883e@richard> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1115 Lines: 29 Richard Jowett wrote: > > According to a TV program It is illegal to chip and maybe even to own a > chipped PSX (not sure if they said own). Yet loads of shops/people are > offering this service, but nothing is really being done about them. If a > company as big as Sony cannot stop this then Smaller companies don't stand > much chance. maybe its like some walkie-talkies(1), i.e., its not illegal to own them, sell them, make them or whatever.... just use them.... is it actually illegal to do it? i mean what law are you breaking by simply producing a bit of circuitry?.... using it would be illegal though, cos then the purpose for which the thing was build is pretty explicit... maybe martin fitzpatrick (1) completely unfounded in any real-life knowledge, and instead just some vague memory from my childhood - when i stood opposite a sweetie stall in leeds market (ahh, them were the days)... my dad told me this so again, its quite possibly bull..... anyway, it was just another excuse for a footnote... they're quite good really. -- Email: poohsticks@pmail.net ICQ#: 11077801 AOL/CServeIM: Flupert From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 19 23:50:30 1999 by mailhost.pemail2.net with SMTP; 19 Apr 1999 22:48:35 -0000 Message-ID: <371BB2FC.84821B8@pmail.net> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 23:49:32 +0100 From: Martin Fitzpatrick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sam Users Subject: completely off topic message... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 802 Lines: 20 ..but if anyone is interested in using up spare processor time and all that to crack some encryption type things... take a look at: www.distributed.net ...download the client for your computer.... get your password, then joing the Prof. Challis Most Excellent UK Team... just cos we're lagging and I'm in the mood to win.... - oh there are winnings for the person who finds teh key & for the group they belong to... Prof. Challis thingy says they'll be throwing a party in the Cambridge area (with the $10,000... (and $10,000 personal winnings are your own)... thats $10,000 for nothing really... so... well... sign up, please.. please... tata.... fitz -- Email: poohsticks@pmail.net ICQ#: 11077801 AOL/CServeIM: Flupert From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 20 00:35:10 1999 From: davgw@clara.co.uk (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: COMPUTERMARKET Shows was The State of things Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 23:33:36 GMT Message-ID: <371cb376.14553766@relay.clara.net> References: <010701be89f1$a32e5980$985e883e@richard> In-Reply-To: <010701be89f1$a32e5980$985e883e@richard> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id AAA08229 Status: RO Content-Length: 613 Lines: 15 On Mon, 19 Apr 1999 00:15:45 +0100 Mon, 19 Apr 99 23:30:52 BST, "Richard Jowett" wrote: >Be careful with some of the HD's on sale. Especialy the ones marked >untested as I got 2 at about £8 each and only one works and that has a lot >of sector errors. I reformated it but that only got rid of some errors and I >don't trust the drive enough to use it. > >Richad Don't fall for it. A mate of mine was daft enough to buy five and all of them were crap. This is a bad reflection on the fair organisers and how they don't care - so long as they get the dosh. Just be careful. Dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 20 00:38:13 1999 From: davgw@clara.co.uk (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON -> SimCoupe & protected disks & Copyright Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 23:34:08 GMT Message-ID: <371ebd6d.17104821@relay.clara.net> References: <00a001be893e$9a445620$240f883e@richard> <371BA003.7FDBD4C3@pmail.net> In-Reply-To: <371BA003.7FDBD4C3@pmail.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1289 Lines: 28 On Mon, 19 Apr 1999 22:28:35 +0100 Mon, 19 Apr 99 23:31:01 BST, Martin Fitzpatrick wrote: >maybe its like some walkie-talkies(1), i.e., its not illegal to own >them, sell them, make them or whatever.... just use them.... is it >actually illegal to do it? i mean what law are you breaking by simply >producing a bit of circuitry?.... using it would be illegal though, cos >then the purpose for which the thing was build is pretty explicit... >maybe > >martin fitzpatrick The SAM was built on the success of a wonderful backup (read pirate) device called the Plus D (based on the earlier DisCiple - did I get the funky spelling/case right Bob?). Because the speccy was near the end of its life as a money making games platform (due to the Amigas and Ataris, and because unc Clive sold out) nobody really cared. MGT used to advocate backing up tapes to disk (or disc - for Bob) and certain publications would give out information on how to hack awkward programs so that they would work from disk. But there appears to be an unforgivable difference in us wanting to run floppy software from a hard drive. The Hypocrisy sometimes aired in this mailing list is killing me; but it's a fun way to die. :-) Dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 20 01:07:48 1999 Message-ID: <001001be8ac1$bc328020$d033883e@ndutwh> From: "Chris White" To: References: <00a001be893e$9a445620$240f883e@richard> <371BA003.7FDBD4C3@pmail.net> <371ebd6d.17104821@relay.clara.net> Subject: Re: CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON -> SimCoupe & protected disks & Copyright Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 01:07:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1096 Lines: 22 > The SAM was built on the success of a wonderful backup (read pirate) > device called the Plus D (based on the earlier DisCiple - did I get > the funky spelling/case right Bob?). Because the speccy was near the > end of its life as a money making games platform (due to the Amigas > and Ataris, and because unc Clive sold out) nobody really cared. MGT > used to advocate backing up tapes to disk (or disc - for Bob) and > certain publications would give out information on how to hack awkward > programs so that they would work from disk. But there appears to be an > unforgivable difference in us wanting to run floppy software from a > hard drive. The Hypocrisy sometimes aired in this mailing list is > killing me; but it's a fun way to die. :-) > The Disciple was stolen from Bruce , and he never got any money from them this is why the PlusD can about. As for advocating Copying Tape to Disk , this was not the case as it stated that it was for BACKING UP you current Tape software to Disk. And should not be used as a COPYING DEVICE What Hypocrisy is that, did i miss anything :) Chris From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 20 10:24:21 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF598E95@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON -> SimCoupe & protected disks & Copyrig ht Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:25:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 532 Lines: 14 >maybe its like some walkie-talkies(1), i.e., its not illegal to own >them, sell them, make them or whatever.... just use them.... is it >actually illegal to do it? i mean what law are you breaking by simply >producing a bit of circuitry?.... using it would be illegal though, cos >then the purpose for which the thing was build is pretty explicit... >maybe You're right. Same with scanners (radio ones, not photography) and even TVs. You can go into Argos to buy either but you can't use them without respective licenses. Jut. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 20 10:24:21 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF598E96@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON -> SimCoupe & protected disks & Copyrig ht Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:28:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 727 Lines: 22 > From: davgw@clara.co.uk [SMTP:davgw@clara.co.uk] > > >MGT > >used to advocate backing up tapes to disk (or disc - for Bob) and > >certain publications would give out information on how to hack awkward > >programs so that they would work from disk. But there appears to be an > >unforgivable difference in us wanting to run floppy software from a > >hard drive. > Maybe we aren't allowed to copy stuff from floppy disks but copying floppy discs is ok? >The Hypocrisy sometimes aired in this mailing list is > >killing me; but it's a fun way to die. :-) > *grin* Jut (Calmed down from being told by PC World that I was denied credit to buy a PC - All I want to do is play with that digital camera and run SimCoupe!!!!!!) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 20 11:36:55 1999 Subject: Re: CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON -> SimCoupe & protected disks & Copyright To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:35:45 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <001001be8ac1$bc328020$d033883e@ndutwh> from "Chris White" at Apr 20, 99 01:07:09 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Gale X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 965 Lines: 22 > The Disciple was stolen from Bruce , and he never got any money from them > this is why the PlusD can about. > As for advocating Copying Tape to Disk , this was not the case as it stated > that it was for BACKING UP you current Tape software to Disk. And should not > be used as a COPYING DEVICE > I'm getting quite confused about this whole thing.... are we saying that we can't transfer floppy software to hard drive, cos if so, that's completely crap. If you ask me, there's a halfway house between "backing-up" and "copying" - and that's "transferring". If I buy some software, I expect to be able to run it from whatever storage media I choose. I think I must have missed the whole point of this argument! Are we talking about Playstations or the SAM?! Oh, and as for the SAM being built on the back of profits from a "piracy" device, am I right in thinking that (at the SAM's launch) the NMI button was touted as some sort of magic back-up button? Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 20 11:54:10 1999 From: Frode Tenneboe Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 12:51:31 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199904201051.MAA20559@asmal.edh.ericsson.se> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON -> SimCoupe & protected disks & Copyright X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 807 Lines: 17 Based on what I know of Norwegian law and the ongoing normalization to EEC law, hence also EU, the point of copyright on anything is so that no one else but you can make money on whatever you 'invent', being a new computer or an algorithm, unless you explicedly say it is OK. Some countries, which have copyright, differs whether you activly have to claim copyright or not, but that's besides the point. The practise of backing up anything is so that you as customer are allowed to make sure your investmenst are not lost. Hence, you are allowed to make back-ups (within limits to how many and if you are able to controll the media) as long as no one profits from this (except from the supplier of back-up media :). The situation in the US is a bit more complicated than this as far as I know. -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 20 12:40:40 1999 Subject: Re: CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON -> SimCoupe & protected disks & Copyright To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 12:39:03 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <199904201051.MAA20559@asmal.edh.ericsson.se> from "Frode Tenneboe" at Apr 20, 99 12:51:31 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Gale X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 851 Lines: 17 > to EEC law, hence also EU, the point of copyright on anything is so > that no one else but you can make money on whatever you 'invent', > This is generally how I understand it, but I do think copyright is also there to ensure that the owner gets as much profit as he can from each individual. Take the example of a map (Ordnance Survey are quite uppity about copyright). You might think it reasonable for you to take a photocopy so that your original doesn't get wrecked whilst you're out hiking, but not so: you're supposed to buy another copy. This, as far as I can see, is not about ensuring that others don't make money from your "invention" but about ensuring the inventor isn't deprived of profit. Of course, it's less to do with each individual having two copies, and more to do with stopping people photocopying in private libraries. Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 20 12:55:55 1999 From: Frode Tenneboe Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:54:20 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199904201154.NAA20603@asmal.edh.ericsson.se> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON -> SimCoupe & protected disks & Copyright X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1283 Lines: 28 > > to EEC law, hence also EU, the point of copyright on anything is so > > that no one else but you can make money on whatever you 'invent', > > > > This is generally how I understand it, but I do think copyright > is also there to ensure that the owner gets as much profit as > he can from each individual. Take the example of a map (Ordnance > Survey are quite uppity about copyright). You might think it > reasonable for you to take a photocopy so that your original > doesn't get wrecked whilst you're out hiking, but not so: you're > supposed to buy another copy. This, as far as I can see, is not > about ensuring that others don't make money from your "invention" > but about ensuring the inventor isn't deprived of profit. Of course, > it's less to do with each individual having two copies, and more to > do with stopping people photocopying in private libraries. I think there is a way for you to make a copy. As I understand this you are allowed to make a photocopy (or a diskcopy for software) and save this away in a safe, drawer, pocket of a suit in a locker, etc. and use the original (or vice versa for that matter). However, you are not allowed to make a photocopy and use this as a second original, ie. for another person in the office. -Frode > > Andy > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 20 13:09:04 1999 Message-ID: <001a01be8b26$1311bbe0$fe51883e@ndutwh> From: "Chris White" To: References: Subject: New Argument about COPYING (WAS CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON -> SimCoupe & protected disks & Copyright ) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:05:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2324 Lines: 52 > > The Disciple was stolen from Bruce , and he never got any money from them > > this is why the PlusD can about. > > As for advocating Copying Tape to Disk , this was not the case as it stated > > that it was for BACKING UP you current Tape software to Disk. And should not > > be used as a COPYING DEVICE > > > > I'm getting quite confused about this whole thing.... are we saying that > we can't transfer floppy software to hard drive, cos if so, that's > completely crap. If you ask me, there's a halfway house between > "backing-up" and "copying" - and that's "transferring". If I buy > some software, I expect to be able to run it from whatever storage > media I choose. You are only alloud to run software on the media you purchased it. That music , you are not alloud to copy from CD to Tape even for your own use , like in your car etc, this is Illegal copying off media. The unwritten law that everyone says is legal , is to beable to PROTECT the possiblility of them (or others) damaging their purchases. And having to buy another one if this occurs , and once again I have to point out that if you damaged your TV do you buy another one or restore from a BACKUP :) A side point has just entered me head , if you are aloud to backup you CD's then why is it Illegal to BACKUP audio CD's for personnal use? > I think I must have missed the whole point of this argument! Are we > talking about Playstations or the SAM?! Anythink i think but all is relavent in time :) > Oh, and as for the SAM being built on the back of profits from > a "piracy" device, am I right in thinking that (at the SAM's > launch) the NMI button was touted as some sort of magic back-up button? No it was touted as a Hardware Break button for debuging and was easily stopped in software , and also had the same effect (By coisidence ) of a Disciple/PlusD NMI button :) @ the end of the day is any of this really getting us anywhere , some peeps think its there right to BACKUP their software , other believe that you have broken BACKUPRIGHT law (read COPYRIGHT) as you have COPIED something with out the CONSENT of the COPYRIGHT owner. For those that think they are doing nothing wrong then please send your Name & Address to FAST or ELSPA and please forward me you Prision address so I may keep you abreast of Sam News :) Chris From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 20 13:22:39 1999 Subject: Re: New Argument about COPYING (WAS CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON -> SimCoupe & protected disks & Copyright ) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:18:14 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <001a01be8b26$1311bbe0$fe51883e@ndutwh> from "Chris White" at Apr 20, 99 01:05:25 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Gale X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 289 Lines: 7 > You are only alloud to run software on the media you purchased it. That > music , you are not alloud to copy from CD to Tape even for your own use , > like in your car etc, this is Illegal copying off media. > So does that mean SAM software will be coming on Hard Drives in the future? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 20 14:37:03 1999 From: Frode Tenneboe Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 15:08:14 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199904201308.PAA20674@asmal.edh.ericsson.se> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: New Argument about COPYING (WAS CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON -> SimCoupe & protected disks & Copyright ) X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1211 Lines: 25 > > I'm getting quite confused about this whole thing.... are we saying that > > we can't transfer floppy software to hard drive, cos if so, that's > > completely crap. If you ask me, there's a halfway house between > > "backing-up" and "copying" - and that's "transferring". If I buy > > some software, I expect to be able to run it from whatever storage > > media I choose. > > You are only alloud to run software on the media you purchased it. That > music , you are not alloud to copy from CD to Tape even for your own use , > like in your car etc, this is Illegal copying off media. Sorry, TONO, the local CISAC, has stated that copying music is legal in any form as long as nobody makes money out of it, it is private and it is on a small scale. This means that you are allowed to make a copy of a CD and give this to your friend if you do not take money from it and this is done only a small number of times. This is how the current law in Norway and as far as I know the rest of Europe, except for Denmark. There it is explicetly forbidden to make private digital copying in general (with all the new criminals this creates). This is analog for all copyright material as far as I can see. -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 20 14:51:38 1999 Message-ID: <002401be8b30$f2aa7120$410bf0d4@ndutwh> From: "Chris White" To: References: Subject: Re: New Argument about COPYING (WAS CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON -> SimCoupe & protected disks & Copyright ) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:50:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 721 Lines: 18 > > You are only alloud to run software on the media you purchased it. That > > music , you are not alloud to copy from CD to Tape even for your own use , > > like in your car etc, this is Illegal copying off media. > > > > So does that mean SAM software will be coming on Hard Drives in the > future? No, but if the INSTALL that comes with the Software allows you to put onto HD then you may (But only if you OWN the original), this is called AUTHORIZEATION from the Copyright Holder to INSTALL 1 Copy onto a HD , and to only have 1 copy on any HD from 1 Original :) But then again wouldn't it be could good to get a new HD everytime you bought some Softy might stop all the crap that ends up in my windows DIR Chris From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 20 14:51:40 1999 Message-ID: <371C831A.73874E4C@earthling.net> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:37:30 +0000 From: Andrew Gallagher Organization: QUB X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: New Argument about COPYING (WAS CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON -> SimCoupe & protected disks & Copyright ) References: <199904201308.PAA20674@asmal.edh.ericsson.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 2138 Lines: 45 Frode Tenneboe wrote: > > > I'm getting quite confused about this whole thing.... are we saying that > > > we can't transfer floppy software to hard drive, cos if so, that's > > > completely crap. If you ask me, there's a halfway house between > > > "backing-up" and "copying" - and that's "transferring". If I buy > > > some software, I expect to be able to run it from whatever storage > > > media I choose. > > > > You are only alloud to run software on the media you purchased it. That > > music , you are not alloud to copy from CD to Tape even for your own use , > > like in your car etc, this is Illegal copying off media. > > Sorry, TONO, the local CISAC, has stated that copying music is legal > in any form as long as nobody makes money out of it, it is private and > it is on a small scale. This means that you are allowed to make a copy > of a CD and give this to your friend if you do not take money from it > and this is done only a small number of times. > > This is how the current law in Norway and as far as I know the rest > of Europe, except for Denmark. There it is explicetly forbidden to > make private digital copying in general (with all the new criminals > this creates). > > This is analog for all copyright material as far as I can see. > > -Frode In the UK, you are not allowed to copy music and give it to your friends. You are not even technically allowed to lend the original to your friends either. Most works come with a standard notice along the lines of "This may not be lent, hired, copied or exhibited in public without the express written consent of the publisher etc.etc." These rules are, of course, flouted, but small-scale non-profit instances would usually be overlooked. When it comes to software, most licence agreements state that you are allowed to make backup copies for your own use (indeed most software publishers recommend this). I don't know whether there is a specific law or not. Books and printed matter may not be copied or reproduced in any manner whatsoever except for educational or review purposes. -- Andrew Gallagher http://members.tripod.com/~AndrewGallagher/id.html From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 20 15:33:54 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001a01be8b26$1311bbe0$fe51883e@ndutwh> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 15:17:08 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: New Argument about COPYING (WAS CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON -> SimCoupe & protected disks & Copyright ) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1750 Lines: 52 At 1:05 pm +0100 20/4/99, Chris White wrote: >@ the end of the day is any of this really getting us anywhere Correct. So when will you STOP perpetuating the thREAD?? >, some peeps >think its there right to BACKUP their software The law of England says you are *allowed* TO. It says so specifically. It says so explicitly. ON those grounds alone, you are *allowed* TO, in England. The act has been quoted already. What more do you want??! >, other believe that you have > broken BACKUPRIGHT law (read COPYRIGHT) as you have COPIED something with >out the CONSENT of the COPYRIGHT owner. People who believe that are just *wrong* in England. This can be proven by REFerence TO English law. COPYright law is NOT so simple as you're making OUT. It DOes NOT AUTOmatically give the author the right TO STOP people from making a BACKUP COPY - NOT IN all FORseeable circumstances, AT least. IF the law says someONe is legally allowed TO make a BACKUP COPY, THEN he DOesn't require the cONsent of the COPYright holder. The COPYright holder canNOT STOP people from making a BACKUP COPY. >For those that think they are doing nothing wrong then please send your Name >& Address to FAST or ELSPA and please forward me you Prision address so I >may keep you abreast of Sam News :) POW! STOP trying TO argue the law! The law is NOT ON your side!! Why DO you keep PUSHing this thREAD, when the law DEFines that you are wrong and I am right? Mutter, mutter, mutter, mutter, mutter. Andrew -- | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he +----------------+-----------------------------+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 20 16:49:50 1999 Message-ID: <001e01be8b44$ae751be0$410bf0d4@ndutwh> From: "Chris White" To: References: Subject: Re: New Argument about COPYING (WAS CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON ->SimCoupe & protected disks & Copyright ) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 16:44:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 500 Lines: 17 > POW! STOP trying TO argue the law! The law is NOT ON your side!! > Why DO you keep PUSHing this thREAD, when the law DEFines that you are > wrong and I am right? > > Mutter, mutter, mutter, mutter, mutter. > > Andrew For those that think they are doing nothing wrong then please send your Name & Address to FAST or ELSPA and please forward me you Prision address so I may keep you abreast of Sam News :) Then please do the ABOVE what does a EMAIL Cost you , do you want the Email address Chris From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 20 17:39:38 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001e01be8b44$ae751be0$410bf0d4@ndutwh> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 17:30:58 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: New Argument about COPYING (WAS CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON ->SimCoupe & protected disks & Copyright ) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 728 Lines: 20 At 4:44 pm +0100 20/4/99, Chris White wrote: >For those that think they are doing nothing wrong then please send your Name >& Address to FAST or ELSPA and please forward me you Prision address so I >may keep you abreast of Sam News :) BECAUSE I DON'T NEED TO. Section 50A of The UK Copyright (Computer Programs) Regulations 1992 is totally clear. The LAW defines what is right and what is wrong in this argument. I never thought I'd do this, but *PLONK*. Andrew -- | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he +----------------+-----------------------------+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 20 18:17:00 1999 From: "Paul Walker" Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 18:01:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: New Argument about COPYING (WAS CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON -> SimCoupe & protected disks & Copyright ) Message-ID: In-reply-to: <371C831A.73874E4C@earthling.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) X-Hops: 1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 400 Lines: 9 > lent, hired, copied or exhibited in public without the express written consent ^^^^^^^^ In public. That refers to (for example) showing a video-tape in a branch of Dixons without permission, it's got nowt to do with lending a CD to a friend. Paul -- The hippo of recollection stirred in the muddy waters of the mind. -- Terry Pratchett, Soul Music From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 20 18:28:56 1999 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 18:25:08 +0100 (GMT) From: Robert Brady To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: New Argument about COPYING (WAS CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON ->SimCoupe & protected disks & Copyright ) In-Reply-To: <001e01be8b44$ae751be0$410bf0d4@ndutwh> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 395 Lines: 13 On Tue, 20 Apr 1999, Chris White wrote: > For those that think they are doing nothing wrong then please send your Name > & Address to FAST or ELSPA and please forward me you Prision address so I > may keep you abreast of Sam News :) Chris, just because you don't like or agree with the LAW doesn't mean it's not the LAW. Peopled ARE allowed to make genuine backups. Deal with it. -- Robert From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 20 18:43:20 1999 Message-ID: <371CBB1E.577A5170@earthling.net> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 17:36:30 +0000 From: Andrew Gallagher Organization: QUB X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: New Argument about COPYING (WAS CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON -> SimCoupe & protected disks & Copyright ) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 452 Lines: 16 Paul Walker wrote: > > lent, hired, copied or exhibited in public without the express written consent > ^^^^^^^^ > In public. That refers to (for example) showing a video-tape in a branch of > Dixons without permission, it's got nowt to do with lending a CD to a friend. > "LENT, hired, copied or exhibited in public" I said... -- Andrew Gallagher http://members.tripod.com/~AndrewGallagher/id.html From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 20 19:13:12 1999 From: "Robert van der Veeke" To: Subject: Re: New Argument about COPYING (WAS CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON ->SimCoupe & protected disks & Copyright ) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 20:11:55 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19990420181202.A7FB23ABC@maillist.kabelfoon.nl> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 681 Lines: 21 > Van: Robert Brady > Aan: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Onderwerp: Re: New Argument about COPYING (WAS CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON ->SimCoupe & protected disks & Copyright ) > Datum: Tuesday, April 20, 1999 7:25 > Chris, just because you don't like or agree with the LAW doesn't mean it's > not the LAW. > > Peopled ARE allowed to make genuine backups. Deal with it. And those people do themselves a favour if they kept their mouths shut about it. See no evil hear no evil, right? It is not correct, i know but it makes it a lot easier. -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Currently listening to : Brain Powerd - OST - (sigh finally :) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 20 20:04:42 1999 From: "Paul Walker" Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 18:20:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: New Argument about COPYING (WAS CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON -> SimCoupe & protected disks & Copyright ) Message-ID: In-reply-to: References: <001a01be8b26$1311bbe0$fe51883e@ndutwh> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) X-Hops: 1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 332 Lines: 10 > Why DO you keep PUSHing this thREAD, when the law DEFines that you are > wrong and I am right? Why do I get the feeling you're using a programmers editor? Paul -- I find it ironic that many of the people who are misinformed about the start of the next millennium consistently misspell it. -- Richard White (CS) in sci.skeptic From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 20 20:11:50 1999 Message-ID: <015701be8b60$a8840c20$410bf0d4@ndutwh> From: "The President" To: References: <19990420181202.A7FB23ABC@maillist.kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: New Argument about COPYING (WAS CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON ->SimCoupe & protected disks & Copyright ) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 20:04:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2245 Lines: 48 Okay done some digging and ask LOADS of question to allsort's of peeps in the industry and have come up with the following FACT about "The UK Copyright (Computer Programs) Regulations 1992" , and have extacted the following >Back up Copies (see section 50A) >Lawful users can make back up copies even if this is not expressly permitted in the terms of the agreement. >But the copyright owner(s) may remove this right by the terms of the contract if they provide alternative >facilities in case of a disaster. As far as MOST publishers of today are concerned , they will replace software if media is found defective. But if damage though neglect (My point all along :) ) they will not replace. So if a Publisher offers a replacement free (Except for P&P) of Degraded Media. You are NOT entitled to BACKUP their software. I would like to admit my over protective/relsilant nature to the following LAW , and do agree that you MAY correct and Errors in Software , but you MAY NOT modify a program that does perform as intended : >Correction of Errors (see section 50C) >Unless it is expressly forbidden in the contract lawful users are permitted to adapt a program to correct an >error. However this could invalidate the maintenance or support agreement so this right must be used with >care. Please not that the "The UK Copyright (Computer Programs) Regulations" was ammend in 1998 , for what reason i Am still looking into but will have the reason soon. My point all along is that MOST peeps only make a BACKUP of software for NON LEGAL reasons , and if a) Nobody Reverse engineered / Modifyed Copyright Material b) Nobody made BACKUPS of Copyright Material c) Nobody made/modified Hardware to use BACKUP's d) Everyone agreed that if the creation of any hardware/software that would by past potection or enable the BACKUP of otherwise UNBACKUPABLE software was ILLEGAL There would be LESS PIRACY , but then again it could all be a dream. Just my point (of which i am entitled to by LAW), just as Andrew Collier , Andrew Gallagher & Robert Brady will for sure have another flaming seasion with this, I don't care my view are my own and i will voice them as i see fit (As long as I don't intentionally Offend anyone) Chris From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 20 20:18:57 1999 From: davgw@clara.co.uk (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON -> SimCoupe & protected disks & Copyright Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 19:17:13 GMT Message-ID: <371dd1fa.10237656@relay.clara.net> References: <00a001be893e$9a445620$240f883e@richard> <371BA003.7FDBD4C3@pmail.net> <371ebd6d.17104821@relay.clara.net> <001001be8ac1$bc328020$d033883e@ndutwh> In-Reply-To: <001001be8ac1$bc328020$d033883e@ndutwh> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 934 Lines: 24 On Tue, 20 Apr 1999 01:07:09 +0100 Tue, 20 Apr 99 18:04:15 BST, "Chris White" wrote: >As for advocating Copying Tape to Disk , this was not the case as it stated >that it was for BACKING UP you current Tape software to Disk. And should not >be used as a COPYING DEVICE Okay then, I see where you're coming from. However, if that's alright, what's wrong with BACKING UP your current floppy software to a hard disk? Why is it so taboo for us to contemplate playing your SAM conversions of POP or Lemmings from a hard disk on an emulated SAM? It seems like a natural progression on what everyone's been doing with speccy games for years. >What Hypocrisy is that, did i miss anything :) Dunno. I must've missed it too! No, seriously Chris, just ease off on the paranioa a bit! No one wants to do you any harm. Some of us just want to be lazy and run everything from one box. :) Dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 20 20:32:20 1999 Message-ID: <002501be8b64$60793820$410bf0d4@ndutwh> From: "The President" To: References: <00a001be893e$9a445620$240f883e@richard> <371BA003.7FDBD4C3@pmail.net> <371ebd6d.17104821@relay.clara.net> <001001be8ac1$bc328020$d033883e@ndutwh> <371dd1fa.10237656@relay.clara.net> Subject: Re: CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON -> SimCoupe & protected disks & Copyright Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 20:31:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1334 Lines: 29 > Okay then, I see where you're coming from. However, if that's alright, > what's wrong with BACKING UP your current floppy software to a hard > disk? Why is it so taboo for us to contemplate playing your SAM > conversions of POP or Lemmings from a hard disk on an emulated SAM? It > seems like a natural progression on what everyone's been doing with > speccy games for years. Once you can copy POP or LEMS to HD , then their will be loads of oppotunity to freely pass on copies as they see fit , this will be the case for most other software with unusual disk layout. > >What Hypocrisy is that, did i miss anything :) > > Dunno. I must've missed it too! No, seriously Chris, just ease off on > the paranioa a bit! No one wants to do you any harm. Some of us just > want to be lazy and run everything from one box. :) Not paranioa , just not happy with peeps thinking that there is nothing wrong (or hoping) , with transfering software from on form to another and calling it a backup. @ 1 point i was about to DUMP all my sam stuff onto NVG's ftp for all to have , this would have included the ablility to recreate a POP/LEMS disk with out any probs at all (I Still have MAsters) , and E-Copy 3. But was asked not to so what was still being sold on Sam could continue and bring in what little money was still coming in. Chris From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 20 20:54:38 1999 Message-ID: <000601be8b67$2a3bb140$a15008c3@b7n9l1> From: "David Ledbury" To: Subject: Re: New Argument about COPYING (WAS CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON -> SimCoupe & protected disks & Copyright ) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 20:45:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 405 Lines: 16 Some already does ;) Especially if it happens to be the Atom ;) -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Gale To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: 20 April 1999 13:35 Subject: Re: New Argument about COPYING (WAS CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON -> SimCoupe & protected disks & Copyright ) >So does that mean SAM software will be coming on Hard Drives in the >future? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 20 21:45:30 1999 From: davgw@clara.co.uk (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: New Argument about COPYING (WAS CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON -> SimCoupe & protected disks & Copyright ) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 20:42:14 GMT Message-ID: <371fd673.11383111@relay.clara.net> References: <001a01be8b26$1311bbe0$fe51883e@ndutwh> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 426 Lines: 13 On Tue, 20 Apr 1999 18:20:37 +0100 Tue, 20 Apr 99 20:17:50 BST, "Paul Walker" wrote: >> Why DO you keep PUSHing this thREAD, when the law DEFines that you are >> wrong and I am right? > >Why do I get the feeling you're using a programmers editor? I don't know what's happening (durrr)... there's a few new ones happening too. I've never seen an editor that tokenises LAW, for example. :-) Dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 20 22:30:35 1999 From: "Paul Walker" Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 20:18:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: New Argument about COPYING (WAS CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON ->SimCoupe & protected disks & Copyright ) Message-ID: In-reply-to: <19990420181202.A7FB23ABC@maillist.kabelfoon.nl> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) X-Hops: 1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 301 Lines: 10 > > Peopled ARE allowed to make genuine backups. Deal with it. > And those people do themselves a favour if they kept their mouths shut > about it. Why, if Chris is (apparently) wrong? Surely it's better to correct him? :) Paul -- Motto: We'll sleep when we're dead -- The yearling.com cyberelves From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 21 09:10:54 1999 Message-Id: <000201be8bcd$331abf20$6b51c29e@inf.upol.cz> From: "Aley Keprt" To: References: <000001be81d5$b2817bc0$03a046c2@simon.wordcraft.co.uk> Subject: Re: SimCoupe & protected disks Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 17:22:54 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2284 Lines: 52 > >> > I'm affraid about copyright laws. > >> > >> I'm no legal expert, but isn't it just considered a backup copy as long as > >> you still own the original version? > > > >your are not aloud to create a copy of anything , without the copyright > >owners permission. > > That's wrong, or at least, wrong in England (I think). > > > > Most of the things you'll find in the average software license agreement > are unenforcable in the UK. It's protection by intimidation, the software > company says "you may not do this, that or the other" and hopes that most > people believe them, and don't it. But they also say "this does not affect > your statutory rights", because they are not allowed to reduce the > consumer's rights below a certain minimum threshold as defined by UK law. > > I'm almost certain that threshold includes making (but, of course, not > distributing) backup copies. I'm absolutely certain it includes > reverse-engineering and modifying the software, which is another thing > these "end-user license agreements" tend to disallow. They might therefore > try to argue that by doing any of this you are in breach of your agreement, > but since you haven't signed anything there's no danger there either. > > A major distinction between the UK and the US, is that when a UK consumer > buys a piece of software, he owns that copy of the program - wheras a US > consumer merely owns a license to use that software (under just about > whatever terms the software producer sees fit). > > Andrew I must mention that ftp.nvg is in Norway. So if we think on putting software in disk images onto web, we must look to Norway laws. (I think.) Also when using SimCoupe, we must look to local copyright laws in every single country. For example here in Czechland there is no "copyright". Interesting? We know only "author's rights", not "copyright", and they cannot be sold. (Since author is still the author, and he still has his rights.) ---------------------------------------------------------------- Aley [eili] Keprt - student, programmer (multimedia soft. etc.) phone: +420-68-538 70 35 e-mail: AleyKeprt@bigfoot.com *** http://get.to/aley ---------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 21 09:28:39 1999 From: "Si Owen" To: Subject: RE: New Argument about COPYING (WAS CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON -> SimCoupe & protected disks & Copyright ) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 09:27:02 +0100 Message-ID: <000101be8bd0$bb752e70$03a046c2@simon.wordcraft.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000601be8b67$2a3bb140$a15008c3@b7n9l1> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 891 Lines: 19 David Ledbury wrote: > Some already does ;) > > Especially if it happens to be the Atom ;) Owners of the Atom still can't use the hard disk for existing protected titles tho - if I owned the hard disk I wouldn't be too happy about that. As usual, the protection ends up as more of a disadvantage for the legal owner, as people that want to hack/copy them will still do it anyway. SAM software disks could always be personalised with the details of the owner before being sent out, as people will be a lot less likely to distribute disks if their name and address is part of them. The Spectrum emulator Z80 does (or at least _did_) this, and sections of code are decrypted using those details to stop a simple patching job from getting around it. It wouldn't help the software already out there, but it'd be a start. Selling the software on to someone else would be interesting tho! Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 21 09:48:48 1999 From: Frode Tenneboe Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:47:03 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199904210847.KAA21684@asmal.edh.ericsson.se> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Bob is missing X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 176 Lines: 7 Hi. Has anyone heard from Bob lately? His aol account has been bouncing for quite some time. I am going to delete him now, so if anyone would voluteer to notify him? -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 21 10:38:19 1999 Message-ID: <001801be8bda$85f04500$410bf0d4@ndutwh> From: "The President" To: References: <199904210847.KAA21684@asmal.edh.ericsson.se> Subject: Re: Bob is missing Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:37:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 349 Lines: 17 No ----- Original Message ----- From: Frode Tenneboe To: Sent: 21 April 1999 09:47 Subject: Bob is missing > Hi. > > Has anyone heard from Bob lately? His aol account has been bouncing > for quite some time. I am going to delete him now, so if anyone would > voluteer to notify him? > > -Frode > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 21 10:49:52 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF598E98@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: Bob is missing Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:44:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 682 Lines: 28 Surely, someone on here is his friend, what about Samsboss and Bill Ritman? Won't they tell him? Jut. > -----Original Message----- > From: The President [SMTP:ThePresident@thewhitehouse.co.uk] > Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 1999 10:37 AM > To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Subject: Re: Bob is missing > > No > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Frode Tenneboe > To: > Sent: 21 April 1999 09:47 > Subject: Bob is missing > > > > Hi. > > > > Has anyone heard from Bob lately? His aol account has been bouncing > > for quite some time. I am going to delete him now, so if anyone would > > voluteer to notify him? > > > > -Frode > > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 21 12:32:46 1999 From: Psycho Billy Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 12:12:51 GMT+0 Subject: Re: New Argument about COPYING (WAS CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <13B31B2390C@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 487 Lines: 20 > I never thought I'd do this, but *PLONK*. > > Andrew > Is he having a poo? > -- > | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a | > Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he > +----------------+-----------------------------+ calls you foolish | > Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides > > Peace, Love, Kisses... JohnnaPig Teare JPOL: http://johnnapig.webjump.com "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 21 12:41:13 1999 From: Psycho Billy Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 12:19:39 GMT+0 Subject: Putting the whole boring argumet simply X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <13B43D96776@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1020 Lines: 25 Forget the law - we're all old enough to realise taht there is no money to be made in teh SAM world these days anyway so if people copy software there is sod all you can do about it, but there is sod all you are losing either. The fact is this...SIM Coupe is the only way many people will maintain an interest in teh SAM World. My power supply is on its way out, and my disk drive is knackered. When they finally die, I will not be replacing them. instead, I'll keep hold of my sam stuff in a nice little file on my PC. If we kick up a fuss about distriubting software in .dsk format, SIM Coupe will become utterly useless and what is left of the SAM community will die out. It's a choice as simple as that - support SIM Coupe, or kill off the last connection many people will have to SAM, and effectively kill off this little community of which we are all so fond. Thoughts? Peace, Love, Kisses... JohnnaPig Teare JPOL: http://johnnapig.webjump.com "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 21 12:41:13 1999 From: Psycho Billy Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 12:22:30 GMT+0 Subject: Re: CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON -> SimCoupe & protected disks & C X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <13B59397594@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 873 Lines: 26 . > > @ 1 point i was about to DUMP all my sam stuff onto NVG's ftp for > all to have , this would have included the ablility to recreate a > POP/LEMS disk with out any probs at all (I Still have MAsters) , > and E-Copy 3. But was asked not to so what was still being sold on > Sam could continue and bring in what little money was still coming > in. > > Chris > Do it. Everybody who has ever wanted to buy lemmings or pop has got it now surely - I wouldn't even know where to point someone t buy a copy. The SAM world can only survive if we start to pool our resources and help to advance SIM Coupe ie. getting it running in WIn32 properly. (Still no nearer tofinding that Win32 version - anybody going to let me in on th esecret?) Peace, Love, Kisses... JohnnaPig Teare JPOL: http://johnnapig.webjump.com "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 21 12:41:13 1999 From: Psycho Billy Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 12:23:11 GMT+0 Subject: Re: New Argument about COPYING (WAS CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <13B59392DF4@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 261 Lines: 11 > Some already does ;) > > Especially if it happens to be the Atom ;) David Ledbury - you are a walking advertising hoarding ;-) Peace, Love, Kisses... JohnnaPig Teare JPOL: http://johnnapig.webjump.com "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 21 13:55:16 1999 From: "Si Owen" To: Subject: RE: CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON -> SimCoupe & protected disks & C Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 13:43:44 +0100 Message-ID: <000001be8bf4$97a5f730$03a046c2@simon.wordcraft.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <13B59397594@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1103 Lines: 28 JohnnaPig Teare wrote: > Everybody who has ever wanted to buy lemmings or pop has got it now > surely - I wouldn't even know where to point someone t buy a copy. I've only just picked a few things up 2nd hand, as I couldn't see anywhere obvious and easy to buy them from. Last night was the first time I've seen Lemmings on the SAM - great fun! I'm just waiting for my order from Persona that includes Defender... > The SAM world can only survive if we start to pool our resources and > help to advance SIM Coupe ie. getting it running in WIn32 properly. My thoughts exactly, but one or more people on this list still see the emulator as a threat. > (Still no nearer tofinding that Win32 version - anybody going to let > me in on th esecret?) The original archive is still available as http://www.obobo.demon.co.uk/sc.zip but lacks all sorts of things that have been put in since (it's windowed only, but you can use F5 to change screen size). I've not had much time to work on it recently, and there are a few things that still need to be done before it's worth replacing the old archive. Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 21 17:00:43 1999 by mailhost.pemail2.net with SMTP; 21 Apr 1999 15:58:35 -0000 Message-ID: <371DF5E2.3DE05178@pmail.net> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 16:59:30 +0100 From: Martin Fitzpatrick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON -> SimCoupe & protected disks & Copyright References: <00a001be893e$9a445620$240f883e@richard> <371BA003.7FDBD4C3@pmail.net> <371ebd6d.17104821@relay.clara.net> <001001be8ac1$bc328020$d033883e@ndutwh> <371dd1fa.10237656@relay.clara.net> <002501be8b64$60793820$410bf0d4@ndutwh> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 699 Lines: 21 > Not paranioa , just not happy with peeps thinking that there is nothing > wrong (or hoping) , with transfering software from on form to another and > calling it a backup. but it doesn't say anywhere that the backup has to be made on the same medium ....so i dont figure theres a legal basis for it being wrong.... the 'product' is the program, which remains unchanged, no matter what medium it is held on ..... the medium is just that, something to hold the actual program... its not directly connected with it in any way, so theres no reason why it should be illegal to move things between media... tum tum tum.... martin -- Email: poohsticks@pmail.net ICQ#: 11077801 AOL/CServeIM: Flupert From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 21 20:51:14 1999 From: davgw@clara.co.uk (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Putting the whole boring argumet simply Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 19:42:57 GMT Message-ID: <372429ff.3215461@relay.clara.net> References: <13B43D96776@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <13B43D96776@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 704 Lines: 18 On Wed, 21 Apr 1999 12:19:39 GMT+0 Wed, 21 Apr 99 20:00:18 BST, Psycho Billy wrote: > >It's a choice as simple as that - support SIM Coupe, or kill off the >last connection many people will have to SAM, and effectively kill >off this little community of which we are all so fond. I agree with a lot of that Johnna. The bugbear lies with people who think they can still make a pot of money out of it. Chris was willing to give his old stuff away for free - which might have lead to someone fixing the games to run on SIM Coupe. I don't necessarily think they should be 'free' when most of us bought the original games, but... ah stuffit. It isn't worth the grief. :-) Dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 21 20:51:15 1999 From: davgw@clara.co.uk (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: New Argument about COPYING (WAS CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON -> SimCoupe & protected disks & Copyright ) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 19:42:55 GMT Message-ID: <372329e3.3188061@relay.clara.net> References: <000101be8bd0$bb752e70$03a046c2@simon.wordcraft.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <000101be8bd0$bb752e70$03a046c2@simon.wordcraft.co.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 979 Lines: 20 On Wed, 21 Apr 1999 09:27:02 +0100 Wed, 21 Apr 99 20:00:12 BST, "Si Owen" wrote: >SAM software disks could always be personalised with the details of the >owner before being sent out, as people will be a lot less likely to >distribute disks if their name and address is part of them. The Spectrum >emulator Z80 does (or at least _did_) this, and sections of code are >decrypted using those details to stop a simple patching job from getting >around it. It wouldn't help the software already out there, but it'd be a >start. Selling the software on to someone else would be interesting tho! That sounds like a good idea. In theory an installer program that could only work with a personalised key; showing the purchaser's name and address at the start of the game, etc. I guess that's where the PIIIs ID number might be handy in future. However, I don't think Chris would be interested in doing retrospective protection work for his old games. :) Dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 21 20:51:15 1999 From: davgw@clara.co.uk (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON -> SimCoupe & protected disks & C Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 19:42:58 GMT Message-ID: <37252a0f.3231502@relay.clara.net> References: <000001be8bf4$97a5f730$03a046c2@simon.wordcraft.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <000001be8bf4$97a5f730$03a046c2@simon.wordcraft.co.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 492 Lines: 16 On Wed, 21 Apr 1999 13:43:44 +0100 Wed, 21 Apr 99 20:00:23 BST, "Si Owen" wrote: >> The SAM world can only survive if we start to pool our resources and >> help to advance SIM Coupe ie. getting it running in WIn32 properly. > >My thoughts exactly, but one or more people on this list still see the >emulator as a threat. Only one person, as far as I can see. I used to think Bob was a meglomaniac, but they're two of a kind really (ouch, I felt that myself!:)) Dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 21 21:17:38 1999 From: davgw@clara.co.uk (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Bob is missing Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 20:01:37 GMT Message-ID: <37262c91.3873936@relay.clara.net> References: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF598E98@mailhost.aculab.com> In-Reply-To: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF598E98@mailhost.aculab.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 574 Lines: 14 On Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:44:43 +0100 Wed, 21 Apr 99 20:00:15 BST, Justin Skists wrote: >Surely, someone on here is his friend, what about Samsboss and >Bill Ritman? Won't they tell him? ISTR from a post he made recently that he wasn't feeling too well. I can vouch for the fact that the stress of a crumbling empire can bring on ill health. I've been there, and for what it's worth, and if that's the case, then he has my genuine sympathy. No matter how we've argued in the past. I wonder... can a duplicity condition be stress related? :) Dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 22 01:11:05 1999 Message-ID: <000401be8c54$36a3d280$b25008c3@b7n9l1> From: "David Ledbury" To: Subject: Re: CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON -> SimCoupe & protected disks & C Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 01:07:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1398 Lines: 46 Simple! You point them in the direction of Persona - who as Chris has publicised earlier - has Chris's exclusive permission to sell Lemmings & Prince Of Persia. David. -----Original Message----- From: Psycho Billy To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: 21 April 1999 12:57 Subject: Re: CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON -> SimCoupe & protected disks & C >Thanks for using NetForward! >http://www.netforward.com >v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v > >. >> >> @ 1 point i was about to DUMP all my sam stuff onto NVG's ftp for >> all to have , this would have included the ablility to recreate a >> POP/LEMS disk with out any probs at all (I Still have MAsters) , >> and E-Copy 3. But was asked not to so what was still being sold on >> Sam could continue and bring in what little money was still coming >> in. >> >> Chris >> > >Do it. Everybody who has ever wanted to buy lemmings or pop has got >it now surely - I wouldn't even know where to point someone t buy a >copy. > >The SAM world can only survive if we start to pool our resources and >help to advance SIM Coupe ie. getting it running in WIn32 properly. > >(Still no nearer tofinding that Win32 version - anybody going to let >me in on th esecret?) > >Peace, Love, Kisses... >JohnnaPig Teare >JPOL: http://johnnapig.webjump.com >"It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 22 01:11:05 1999 Message-ID: <000501be8c54$37ea5c40$b25008c3@b7n9l1> From: "David Ledbury" To: Subject: Re: New Argument about COPYING (WAS CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 01:07:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 713 Lines: 26 And at least it's on topic for the SAM .... which is more than most people are talking about on this list! -----Original Message----- From: Psycho Billy To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: 21 April 1999 12:57 Subject: Re: New Argument about COPYING (WAS CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON >Thanks for using NetForward! >http://www.netforward.com >v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v > >> Some already does ;) >> >> Especially if it happens to be the Atom ;) > > >David Ledbury - you are a walking advertising hoarding ;-) > >Peace, Love, Kisses... >JohnnaPig Teare >JPOL: http://johnnapig.webjump.com >"It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 22 03:20:47 1999 Message-ID: <01e201be8c66$29a22e80$3f07883e@richard> From: "Richard Jowett" To: Subject: Re: New Argument about COPYING (WAS CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON ->SimCoupe & protected disks & Copyright ) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 01:30:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1670 Lines: 49 -----Original Message----- From: The President To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: 20 April 1999 7:09 Subject: Re: New Argument about COPYING (WAS CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON ->SimCoupe & protected disks & Copyright ) >Okay done some digging and ask LOADS of question to allsort's of peeps in >the industry and have come up with the following FACT about "The UK >Copyright (Computer Programs) Regulations 1992" , and have extacted the >following > >>Back up Copies (see section 50A) >>Lawful users can make back up copies even if this is not expressly >permitted in the terms of the agreement. >But the copyright owner(s) may >remove this right by the terms of the contract if they provide alternative >>facilities in case of a disaster. > >As far as MOST publishers of today are concerned , they will replace >software if media is found defective. But if damage though neglect (My point >all along :) ) they will not replace. So if a Publisher offers a replacement >free (Except for P&P) of Degraded Media. You are NOT entitled to BACKUP >their software. > So if your copy of program X gets destroyed by your kid or for any other reason that is YOUR fault then they will not replace it. But as the wording is "in case of a disaster", and the above is a disaster I am allowed to make a BACKUP of all software if the publisher will not replace the copy in any circumstances. This includes the publisher going bankrupt. >My point all along is that MOST peeps only make a BACKUP of software for NON >LEGAL reasons , >Chris > No one has said that making a BACKUP for illegal purposes is OK. Richard. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 22 03:20:49 1999 Message-ID: <01e301be8c66$2a7c61e0$3f07883e@richard> From: "Richard Jowett" To: Subject: Re: CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON -> SimCoupe & protected disks & Copyright Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 01:56:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 914 Lines: 30 -----Original Message----- From: Chris White To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: 19 April 1999 9:56 Subject: Re: CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON -> SimCoupe & protected disks & Copyright > > >>Maybe it is more sinister. The protection seemed to mainly be directed to >>stopping illegal imports, or that's at the top of the list on this subject >>in the PSX mags. Don't know why because all the imports seem to cost more >>and aren't always in English. Maybe if the station wasn't protected the >>games would be cheaper? > >This is most peoples misconception, games cost so much 'cause >SHOP want 40% , >Chris > > I meant If the station wasn't protected then US versions could be used legally in this country this may create competition as importers could import larger quantities as the demand would be greater bringing the cost down. Richard From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 22 03:20:49 1999 Message-ID: <01e401be8c66$2b2d6260$3f07883e@richard> From: "Richard Jowett" To: Subject: Re: CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON -> SimCoupe & protected disks & Copyright Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 02:03:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1135 Lines: 35 I don't think it's illegal to produce the bit of circuitry but it is to fit it to a playstation. Richard. -----Original Message----- From: Martin Fitzpatrick To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: 19 April 1999 9:54 Subject: Re: CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON -> SimCoupe & protected disks & Copyright > >maybe its like some walkie-talkies(1), i.e., its not illegal to own >them, sell them, make them or whatever.... just use them.... is it >actually illegal to do it? i mean what law are you breaking by simply >producing a bit of circuitry?.... using it would be illegal though, cos >then the purpose for which the thing was build is pretty explicit... >maybe > >martin fitzpatrick > >(1) completely unfounded in any real-life knowledge, and instead just >some vague memory from my childhood - when i stood opposite a sweetie >stall in leeds market (ahh, them were the days)... my dad told me this >so again, its quite possibly bull..... anyway, it was just another >excuse for a footnote... they're quite good really. > >-- >Email: poohsticks@pmail.net >ICQ#: 11077801 >AOL/CServeIM: Flupert > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 22 03:20:49 1999 Message-ID: <01e501be8c66$2be47d60$3f07883e@richard> From: "Richard Jowett" To: Subject: Re: Putting the whole boring argumet simply Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 03:14:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2551 Lines: 56 If the only Sams being used are virtual then probably less software will be produced. Why write software for a virtual Sam as hardly anyone will use it or need to use it as anything the VR Sam can do the machine they are running it on can do and faster. Without a real Sam the Sam community will die or stay at maybe 100 users as no new users will be recruited to a virtual Sam community, because to use a virtual Sam you need a fast machine and if you have one most people will use software produced by the big software companies as most will not have heard of Sam. Power supplies are easy things to replace a standard PC supply can be modified very easily as long as you use the scart for sound and picture. I use one on my Sam. Disk drives can be replaced not as easily but it can be done. Most of the problems with the slimline drives is the drive belt which can be replaced. I am not saying that the SimCoupe should be stopped but protection of new software must be the priority. So if you want to run software on SimCoupe then do it legally. This means that there must be protection built into SimCoupe so anyone releasing software can release a version that will work on simcoupe if the purchaser requests it. So maybe the software would need to be licensed to that person, as mentioned by Si Owen. Richard. -----Original Message----- From: Psycho Billy To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: 21 April 1999 10:24 Subject: Putting the whole boring argumet simply >Forget the law - we're all old enough to realise taht there is no >money to be made in teh SAM world these days anyway so if people copy >software there is sod all you can do about it, but there is sod all >you are losing either. > >The fact is this...SIM Coupe is the only way many people will >maintain an interest in teh SAM World. My power supply is on its way >out, and my disk drive is knackered. When they finally die, I will >not be replacing them. instead, I'll keep hold of my sam stuff in a >nice little file on my PC. > >If we kick up a fuss about distriubting software in .dsk format, SIM >Coupe will become utterly useless and what is left of the SAM >community will die out. > >It's a choice as simple as that - support SIM Coupe, or kill off the >last connection many people will have to SAM, and effectively kill >off this little community of which we are all so fond. > >Thoughts? > >Peace, Love, Kisses... >JohnnaPig Teare >JPOL: http://johnnapig.webjump.com >"It won't get better but it might never get worse..." > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 22 10:46:58 1999 Message-ID: <001301be8ca4$b19352e0$410bf0d4@ndutwh> From: "The President" To: References: <01e201be8c66$29a22e80$3f07883e@richard> Subject: Re: New Argument about COPYING (WAS CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON ->SimCoupe & protected disks & Copyright ) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 10:44:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id KAA06311 Status: RO Content-Length: 1218 Lines: 34 > So if your copy of program X gets destroyed by your kid or for any other > reason that is YOUR fault then they will not replace it. But as the wording > is "in case of a disaster", and the above is a disaster I am allowed to > make a BACKUP of all software if the publisher will not replace the copy in > any circumstances. This includes the publisher going bankrupt. But this is neglect , lets take a TV as an example , if the TV breaks down in its first year you are entitled to a replacement . But for you throw you TV @ the wall they will not replace. The Law states that if its defective they will replace , if however its destroyed by no fault of the media they will not . > No one has said that making a BACKUP for illegal purposes is OK. Noone does do they , I know of people who have a COPY of white lable £4.99 games , and they would proberly get COPYS of anything regardless of how much it cost. They have no technical knowledge and would be able to do this is someone else did not disable the protection. As for my stuff , currently draft letter to OWNERS of the COPYRIGHT to see if this is acceptable , unless there is still some objections Chris Ps. Please EMAIL the list with OBJECTIONS From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 22 10:46:59 1999 Message-ID: <001901be8ca4$b4298e20$410bf0d4@ndutwh> From: "The President" To: References: <01e401be8c66$2b2d6260$3f07883e@richard> Subject: Re: CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON -> SimCoupe & protected disks & Copyright Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 10:44:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 491 Lines: 21 ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Jowett To: Sent: 22 April 1999 02:03 Subject: Re: CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON -> SimCoupe & protected disks & Copyright > I don't think it's illegal to produce the bit of circuitry but it is to fit > it to a playstation. > > Richard. It's only illegal , if it purpose is found to help illegal activitys i.e a gun is not illegal in USA but it is illegal to shot unless in self defence Chirs From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 22 10:59:31 1999 Message-ID: <002a01be8ca5$5e4dc4c0$410bf0d4@ndutwh> From: "The President" To: References: <01e301be8c66$2a7c61e0$3f07883e@richard> Subject: Re: CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON -> SimCoupe & protected disks & Copyright Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 10:49:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 558 Lines: 14 > I meant If the station wasn't protected then US versions could be used > legally in this country this may create competition as importers could > import larger quantities as the demand would be greater bringing the cost > down. > This is the biggest reason for a 'CHIP' , wothout the region locout there would be not need to have 'CHIP' , but then we would need to have a MULTI software release , this would case a major headache and money , but then I would like to play games as soon as Japan can :), this would stop most of the PIRACY as well Chris From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 22 11:57:38 1999 Message-Id: <025f01be8cac$1a79dc50$7751c29e@inf.upol.cz> From: "Aley Keprt" To: References: <00a001be893e$9a445620$240f883e@richard> <371dbc38.2252352@relay.clara.net> Subject: Re: CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON -> SimCoupe & protected disks & Copyright Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 12:37:21 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 265 Lines: 9 > The thing is, if these chips are illegal, then most of the PSX owning > populace of the North West of England are criminals. Dunno about other > places. > > Dave > (1) Well, not literally. Just a handy excuse for a footnote. I'm sure, not only NW-England..... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 22 11:57:41 1999 Message-Id: <02a301be8cad$0eacf780$7751c29e@inf.upol.cz> From: "Aley Keprt" To: References: <00a001be893e$9a445620$240f883e@richard> <371BA003.7FDBD4C3@pmail.net> Subject: Re: CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON -> SimCoupe & protected disks & Copyright Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 12:44:11 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1180 Lines: 30 > Richard Jowett wrote: > > > > According to a TV program It is illegal to chip and maybe even to own a > > chipped PSX (not sure if they said own). Yet loads of shops/people are > > offering this service, but nothing is really being done about them. If a > > company as big as Sony cannot stop this then Smaller companies don't stand > > much chance. > > maybe its like some walkie-talkies(1), i.e., its not illegal to own > them, sell them, make them or whatever.... just use them.... is it > actually illegal to do it? i mean what law are you breaking by simply > producing a bit of circuitry?.... using it would be illegal though, cos > then the purpose for which the thing was build is pretty explicit... > maybe Maybe it is like making illegal paper dollars. At least in out country it is not illegal to make them, it is illegal to use them :-))) > > martin fitzpatrick > ---------------------------------------------------------------- Aley [eili] Keprt - student, programmer (multimedia soft. etc.) phone: +420-68-538 70 35 e-mail: AleyKeprt@bigfoot.com *** http://get.to/aley ---------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 22 13:05:38 1999 Message-Id: <03b001be8cb6$4683c590$7751c29e@inf.upol.cz> From: "Aley Keprt" To: References: <000201be81d6$c0b03370$03a046c2@simon.wordcraft.co.uk> <001f01be81e6$96ea20e0$71913b9d@dns.microsoft.com> Subject: Re: Win32 SimCoupe Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:50:06 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 432 Lines: 12 > Don't forget -- the cache comes into play here a lot, so tables aren't > necessarily as efficient as you might think. PROFILE YOUR RESULTS!!! > > Simon (NSFMSFT) I can't imagine what algos can be better than reading a one single value from a table. Especially in this case, when every table has 256 bytes, and there are some 4 or 8 tables in the Z80 emualtor. Is this too much for Celeron's cache? I don't think so. Aley Keprt From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 22 13:05:41 1999 Message-Id: <03cc01be8cb7$0c0dfe20$7751c29e@inf.upol.cz> From: "Aley Keprt" To: References: Subject: Re: Win32 SimCoupe (was: Z80 flags for INI(R) and OTI(R)? #2 (oops!)) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:55:41 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1082 Lines: 28 > On Tue, 13 Apr 1999, Si Owen wrote: > > > It'd probably work if done as a C union, but I wasn't sure how efficient > > that'd compile up to be compared to the simple variable version. I might > > give it a try with HL to see what different it makes. > > > > Si > > I was under the (probably ill-informed) impression that C unions were > actually DEAD EFFICIENT. Maybe that efficency goes down if you try to > access individual bytes from a union of, say, two eight-bit bytes or > one sixteen-bit word (since those bytes cannot possibly be aligned to a > 32bit boundary). Try it and see, I guess. > > dave > I can't imagine the situation, where unions are inefficient. Go and try it and you will see. The Z80 emulator I use in my programs use unions and it looks very efficient. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Aley [eili] Keprt - student, programmer (multimedia soft. etc.) phone: +420-68-538 70 35 e-mail: AleyKeprt@bigfoot.com *** http://get.to/aley ---------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 22 13:33:19 1999 From: "Paul Walker" Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 12:12:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON -> SimCoupe & protected disks & Copyright Message-ID: In-reply-to: <01e301be8c66$2a7c61e0$3f07883e@richard> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) X-Hops: 1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 502 Lines: 13 > I meant If the station wasn't protected then US versions could be used > legally in this country this may create competition as importers could > import larger quantities as the demand would be greater bringing the cost > down. Why do you think it's protected? They want to screw people for everything they can, so the prices are kept high. Paul -- The INTJ's Prayer: Lord keep me open to others' ideas, WRONG though they may be. -- quoted by Kevin Scaldeferri in sci.physics, 10th July 1998. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 22 13:33:46 1999 From: "Paul Walker" Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 12:12:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: New Argument about COPYING (WAS CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON ->SimCoupe & protected disks & Copyright ) Message-ID: In-reply-to: <001301be8ca4$b19352e0$410bf0d4@ndutwh> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) X-Hops: 1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id NAA10433 Status: RO Content-Length: 479 Lines: 12 > Noone does do they , I know of people who have a COPY of white lable £4.99 > games , and they would proberly get COPYS of anything regardless of how much > it cost. They have no technical knowledge and would be able to do this is > someone else did not disable the protection. And this has exactly what to do with making a backup? Paul -- There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. -- Jeremy S. Anderson From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 22 15:30:43 1999 From: "Si Owen" To: Subject: RE: Win32 SimCoupe Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:29:00 +0100 Message-ID: <000401be8ccc$7685cd90$03a046c2@simon.wordcraft.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-Reply-To: <03b001be8cb6$4683c590$7751c29e@inf.upol.cz> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 902 Lines: 18 Aley Keprt wrote: > I can't imagine what algos can be better than reading a one single value > from a table. Especially in this case, when every table has 256 bytes, and > there are some 4 or 8 tables in the Z80 emualtor. Is this too much for > Celeron's cache? I don't think so. Probably not from one table, but if you start adding table lookups for other things you could push the working program size over the limit to be kept in the cache. I've not really looked into why the speed improvements I saw on my Celeron didn't make any difference on the PII, but the cache size/speed would be my first guess. The fact that my Celeron cache runs at full speed compared to the half speed PII cache means there's a nice boost when it does keep within it, and it still averages out at about PII speed even when it doesn't! It'll probably be worth looking into at some point to see if it help much... Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 22 16:04:01 1999 From: "Si Owen" To: Subject: RE: Win32 SimCoupe (was: Z80 flags for INI(R) and OTI(R)? #2 (oops!)) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:41:21 +0100 Message-ID: <000601be8cce$302008f0$03a046c2@simon.wordcraft.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-Reply-To: <03cc01be8cb7$0c0dfe20$7751c29e@inf.upol.cz> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 553 Lines: 13 Aley Keprt wrote: > I can't imagine the situation, where unions are inefficient. > Go and try it and you will see. > The Z80 emulator I use in my programs use unions and it looks very > efficient. I've done it already and it didn't actually seem to make much difference to the performance from my tests. I've changed it to handle HL, IX and IY the same way now too, instead of as separate special cases in each instruction that used them, and that didn't make a whole lot of difference either from what I can see (it does neaten it up a lot tho). Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 22 18:15:41 1999 Message-ID: <001501be8ce3$3c74b960$410bf0d4@ndutwh> From: "The President" To: References: Subject: Re: New Argument about COPYING (WAS CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON ->SimCoupe & protected disks & Copyright ) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 18:12:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id SAA19338 Status: RO Content-Length: 777 Lines: 22 >> Noone does do they , I know of people who have a COPY of white lable £4.99 >> games , and they would proberly get COPYS of anything regardless of how much >> it cost. They have no technical knowledge and would be able to do this is >> someone else did not disable the protection. >And this has exactly what to do with making a backup? If you want the right (by law) to backup software , then you first need to deprotect it ( if any exsits) , if you can't do this then you rely on others to do this for you. And the only way this can be done is though PIRACY . Its just a Means to a End , If you need to BACKUP your purchase, but its protected to stop PIRACY , MODIFYING Correctly working code (the Protection ) is illegal (SECTION 50C as previously stated) :) Chris From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 23 00:16:59 1999 Message-ID: <002a01be8d15$c7c8ae40$885008c3@b7n9l1> From: "David Ledbury" To: Subject: Re: Putting the whole boring argumet simply Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 00:13:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id AAA02109 Status: RO Content-Length: 1828 Lines: 49 -----Original Message----- From: Richard Jowett To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: 22 April 1999 03:32 Subject: Re: Putting the whole boring argumet simply >If the only Sams being used are virtual then probably less software will be >produced. Why write software for a virtual Sam as hardly anyone will use it >or need to use it as anything the VR Sam can do the machine they are running >it on can do and faster. Without a real Sam the Sam community will die or Agreed! And my arguments exactly! >Power supplies are easy things to replace a standard PC supply can be >modified very easily as long as you use the scart for sound and picture. I Good idea for those that can do it. We sell 200W AT supplies at work for £10 + vat.... and even that should do the job okay. >use one on my Sam. Disk drives can be replaced not as easily but it can be >done. Most of the problems with the slimline drives is the drive belt which >can be replaced. Exactly. At the worst, so long as u can retain the drive chip - a "elite" type fix would allow u to use pc style floppies. Malcolm did find a source for repairing the slim-line drives. I hope we can find that out in his notes :( >I am not saying that the SimCoupe should be stopped but protection of new >software must be the priority. So if you want to run software on SimCoupe >then do it legally. This means that there must be protection built into >SimCoupe so anyone releasing software can release a version that will work >on simcoupe if the purchaser requests it. So maybe the software would need >to be licensed to that person, as mentioned by Si Owen. If someone has bought a title - I think in principal it would be fair to allow them to use it on any particular machine. So long as copyright is respected. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 23 10:42:43 1999 From: "Si Owen" To: Subject: RE: New Argument about COPYING (WAS CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON ->SimCoupe & protected disks & Copyright ) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 10:20:41 +0100 Message-ID: <000401be8d6a$8f165d90$03a046c2@simon.wordcraft.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-Reply-To: <001501be8ce3$3c74b960$410bf0d4@ndutwh> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 417 Lines: 9 > Its just a Means to a End , If you need to BACKUP your purchase, but its > protected to stop PIRACY , MODIFYING Correctly working code (the > Protection ) is illegal (SECTION 50C as previously stated) :) Fortunately, backing up disks to a different media isn't modifying any code, in fact it's not even changing much about the format of the disk, it just lets us legal owners make the most of our purchase :-) Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Apr 24 00:02:11 1999 From: "Paul Walker" Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 23:31:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: hello? Message-ID: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) X-Hops: 1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 381 Lines: 11 Have the recent copyright squabbles killed the list? I know, how about we just ignore most of that thread and continue with normal subjects... Paul -- I've always thought the Patrician is a party animal. Can you imagine waking up next day and remembering all those witty things you said and did, and then realising that he was listening? -- Terry Pratchett, alt.fan.pratchett From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Apr 25 13:04:37 1999 X-Lotus-FromDomain: POSTMASTER From: Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Message-ID: <8025675E.0042FA8F.00@nun.postmaster.co.uk> Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 12:55:35 +0100 Subject: RE: Bob is missing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 356 Lines: 18 | Surely, someone on here is his friend, what about Samsboss and | Bill Ritman? Won't they tell him? | | Jut. | Last time I spoke to him he was still rather ill but fighting to get another issue of Format out. I do know his new email address is Bob@Format.Publications.ukf.net if that helps anyone. -- Samsboss - The One And Only. Accept No Others. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 26 08:28:03 1999 Message-ID: <3724DC6C.DC0903@btinternet.com> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 22:36:44 +0100 From: Thomas Harte X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.2 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SAM Mailing List Subject: Source of technical information Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1107 Lines: 23 Hi, I have been writing a Spectrum emulator as a distraction and am starting to feel comfortable with the way the ZX Spectrum works. Not that I care too much about the ZX Spectrum, because I had a SAM Coupe! Unfortunately I was too young to know anything real about computers at the time, and my 'technical' knowledge of the machine is limited to roughly the resolutions of the modes (don't have a clue what mode 2 was all about though, thinking in retrospect, was it something like Spectrum style with a higher colour resolution?) and, ummm, the size of the floppy discs! All I've found online is the unfinished technical manual at nvg, is there anywhere else I can get information? Judging by the state and number of the only available emulator compared to the state and number of Spectrum emulators, I am assuming there is some complex voodoo going on at some point, but there you go. How does a Z80B differ to a regular Z80 anyway? And what about every other aspect of the machine? Any good online sources, or do I need to track down a copy of the original, finished, technical manual? -Thomas From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 26 08:28:05 1999 From: "Robert van der Veeke" To: Subject: Re: Bob is missing Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 00:11:30 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19990425221138.069B03AC1@maillist.kabelfoon.nl> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 786 Lines: 21 > Van: Samsboss@postmaster.co.uk > Aan: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Onderwerp: RE: Bob is missing > Datum: Sunday, April 25, 1999 1:55 > Last time I spoke to him he was still rather ill but fighting to get > another issue of Format out. I do know his new email address is > Bob@Format.Publications.ukf.net if that helps anyone. Setting up a new account, but not letting this list now that his adress has changed nor cancelling his old adress at this list and changing it into the new one to avoid bouncing mail. strange, one mail to frode would have been enough methinks. BTW: I like the "Ill but fighting to get another issue of Floormat out", really touching -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Currently listening to : Brain Powerd - OST - (sigh finally :) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 26 09:48:03 1999 From: "Si Owen" To: Subject: Re: Source of technical information Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 09:43:19 +0100 Message-ID: <000701be8fc0$d601fd60$03a046c2@simon.wordcraft.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <3724DC6C.DC0903@btinternet.com> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2532 Lines: 62 Thomas Harte wrote: > (don't have a clue what mode 2 was all about though, thinking in > retrospect, was it something like Spectrum style with a higher colour > resolution?) Yeah, similar to the Spectrum but with an attribute byte for each data byte, and without the annoying layout! ;-) > and, ummm, the size of the floppy discs! Standard format is the same as the +D: 800K, 780K available for data. > All I've found online is the unfinished technical manual at nvg, is > there anywhere else I can get information? I think that might be Simon Cooke's unofficial technical manual that you've seen. You really need to get hold of the original official technical manual for a description of graphics modes, keyboard, memory, sound chip, floppy drive, etc. It doesn't contain any on the mouse or clock (and other peripherals), but it's still the best SAM reference out there. Unfortunately, I'm not sure where you can a copy from now, but I'm sure someone else on the list will know. My first bet would be to try Bob Brenchley, if he's reappeared. > Judging by the state and number of the only available emulator compared > to the state and number of Spectrum emulators, I am assuming there is > some complex voodoo going on at some point, but there you go. I guess it's just because it's not as well known as Spectrum - there were an awful lot more Spectrums than SAMs! Only one person I know has heard of the SAM, and he returned it shortly after buying it (back in '89) because he wasn't happy with it! SimCoupe is really the only serious contender as a SAM emulator at the moment, and it's still being worked on, so watch this space... I'd say it's more difficult to emulate than the Spectrum, mainly (I'd say) because a lot of the software is very timing sensitive. Things like hi-resolution colour support can be optional in a Spectrum emulator but is really a must for the SAM, or not even the startup screen will appear correctly! > How does a Z80B differ to a regular Z80 anyway? And what about every > other aspect of the machine? It runs at 6MHz instead of 3.5MHz (for the Spectrum), but other than that's is about the same. RAM contention eats a chunk of the 6MHz for normal SAM running. > Any good online sources, or do I need to track down a copy of the > original, finished, technical manual? I'd start with the techincal manual, and maybe have a browse around the SimCoupe source code to learn some additional bits and pieces. To supplement that diet you can always ask questions here too... Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 26 13:17:26 1999 Message-ID: <002d01be8fde$23baa9e0$410bf0d4@ndutwh> From: "The President" To: References: Subject: Re: Glos Show Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:13:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 300 Lines: 18 And where is that :) C ----- Original Message ----- From: William McGugan To: Sent: 07 October 1998 15:19 Subject: RE: Glos Show > > > >Is there anyone else who made it as a 'professional' games programmer? > > I have. :) > > Will. > > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 26 13:26:34 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF598EA5@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: Glos Show Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:25:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 587 Lines: 30 Bloody hell... You took a long time in answeing that! :) Jut. > -----Original Message----- > From: The President [SMTP:ThePresident@thewhitehouse.co.uk] > Sent: Monday, April 26, 1999 1:13 PM > To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Subject: Re: Glos Show > > And where is that :) > > C > ----- Original Message ----- > From: William McGugan > To: > Sent: 07 October 1998 15:19 > Subject: RE: Glos Show > > > > > > > >Is there anyone else who made it as a 'professional' games programmer? > > > > I have. :) > > > > Will. > > > > > From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Mon Apr 26 14:28:30 1999 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 14:28:30 +0100 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: New Argument about COPYING (WAS CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON -> SimCoupe & protected disks & Copyright ) Message-ID: <19990426142830.C24175@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no References: <001a01be8b26$1311bbe0$fe51883e@ndutwh> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Paul Walker on Tue, Apr 20, 1999 at 06:20:37PM +0100 Status: RO Content-Length: 464 Lines: 12 On Tue, Apr 20, 1999 at 06:20:37PM +0100, Paul Walker wrote: > > Why DO you keep PUSHing this thREAD, when the law DEFines that you are > > wrong and I am right? > Why do I get the feeling you're using a programmers editor? That's funny. I hadn't noticed that all the capitalised bits were BASIC keywords (except BACKUP, which I think is a MasterDOS keyword). I think basically he was extracting the michael from Chris's "differently capitalised" message. imc From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Mon Apr 26 14:30:50 1999 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 14:30:50 +0100 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: New Argument about COPYING (WAS CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON -> SimCoupe & protected disks & Copyright ) Message-ID: <19990426143050.D24175@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no References: <199904201308.PAA20674@asmal.edh.ericsson.se> <371C831A.73874E4C@earthling.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <371C831A.73874E4C@earthling.net>; from Andrew Gallagher on Tue, Apr 20, 1999 at 01:37:30PM +0000 Status: RO Content-Length: 447 Lines: 10 On Tue, Apr 20, 1999 at 01:37:30PM +0000, Andrew Gallagher wrote: > Most works come with a standard notice along the lines of "This may not be > lent, hired, copied or exhibited in public without the express written consent > of the publisher etc.etc." These rules are, of course, flouted, but small-scale > non-profit instances would usually be overlooked. I can't see how "this may not be lent" can possibly have any basis in law, though. imc From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Mon Apr 26 14:35:03 1999 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 14:35:03 +0100 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON -> SimCoupe & protected disks & Copyright Message-ID: <19990426143503.E24175@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no References: <00a001be893e$9a445620$240f883e@richard> <371BA003.7FDBD4C3@pmail.net> <371ebd6d.17104821@relay.clara.net> <001001be8ac1$bc328020$d033883e@ndutwh> <371dd1fa.10237656@relay.clara.net> <002501be8b64$60793820$410bf0d4@ndutwh> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <002501be8b64$60793820$410bf0d4@ndutwh>; from The President on Tue, Apr 20, 1999 at 08:31:15PM +0100 Status: RO Content-Length: 258 Lines: 7 On Tue, Apr 20, 1999 at 08:31:15PM +0100, The President wrote: > Once you can copy POP or LEMS to HD , then their will be loads of oppotunity > to freely pass on copies as they see fit Yeah, cos, like, I'm always giving hard disks to people... imc. Man. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 26 17:32:40 1999 Message-ID: <003501be9001$b92f3b80$410bf0d4@ndutwh> From: "The President" To: References: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF598EA5@mailhost.aculab.com> Subject: Re: Glos Show Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 17:27:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 838 Lines: 44 On just got it ????, when was it posted? C ----- Original Message ----- From: Justin Skists To: Sent: 26 April 1999 13:25 Subject: RE: Glos Show > Bloody hell... > > You took a long time in answeing that! :) > > Jut. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: The President [SMTP:ThePresident@thewhitehouse.co.uk] > > Sent: Monday, April 26, 1999 1:13 PM > > To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > > Subject: Re: Glos Show > > > > And where is that :) > > > > C > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: William McGugan > > To: > > Sent: 07 October 1998 15:19 > > Subject: RE: Glos Show > > > > > > > > > > > >Is there anyone else who made it as a 'professional' games programmer? > > > > > > I have. :) > > > > > > Will. > > > > > > > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 26 19:50:10 1999 Message-ID: <000801be9014$c9552a20$895008c3@persona> From: "David L" To: Subject: Re: Source of technical information Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 19:44:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1244 Lines: 34 Bob apparently owns the copyright to the technical manual - but only sells it to Format subscribers - however, I'm sure he wont object if you send him a cheque for it ;) Not sure how much he's asking - around 15 quid IIR. However, the next best thing - or even better - is to subscribe to a good SAM diskzine and just get back issues with techy info..... Based On An Idea has more techy info than most - even if there are only 2 issues ever released (What happened to the online version???).... And Blitz has a bit of techy info - with more appearing in each new issue of course ;) David -----Original Message----- From: Si Owen To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: 26 April 1999 09:55 Subject: Re: Source of technical information >seen. You really need to get hold of the original official technical manual >for a description of graphics modes, keyboard, memory, sound chip, floppy >drive, etc. It doesn't contain any on the mouse or clock (and other >peripherals), but it's still the best SAM reference out there. > >Unfortunately, I'm not sure where you can a copy from now, but I'm sure >someone else on the list will know. My first bet would be to try Bob >Brenchley, if he's reappeared. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 26 19:50:11 1999 Message-ID: <001701be9015$091a8b00$895008c3@persona> From: "David L" To: Subject: Re: CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON -> SimCoupe & protected disks & Copyright Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 19:46:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 470 Lines: 14 Not so tricky with a good hard drive removable rack! -----Original Message----- From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: 26 April 1999 14:41 Subject: Re: CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON -> SimCoupe & protected disks & Copyright >> Once you can copy POP or LEMS to HD , then their will be loads of oppotunity >> to freely pass on copies as they see fit > >Yeah, cos, like, I'm always giving hard disks to people... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 26 20:34:37 1999 From: "Robert van der Veeke" To: Subject: Re: Source of technical information Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 21:32:42 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19990426193246.735BA3ABA@maillist.kabelfoon.nl> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 592 Lines: 19 > Van: David L > Aan: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Onderwerp: Re: Source of technical information > Datum: Monday, April 26, 1999 8:44 > > Bob apparently owns the copyright to the technical manual - but only sells > it to Format subscribers - however, I'm sure he wont object if you send him > a cheque for it ;) > > Not sure how much he's asking - around 15 quid IIR. Eek, that is about 50 Dutch guilders, i don't remember paying that much. -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Currently listening to : Brain Powerd - OST - (sigh finally :) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Apr 26 22:20:17 1999 From: "Si Owen" To: Subject: RE: CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON -> SimCoupe & protected disks & Copyright Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 22:18:16 +0100 Message-ID: <000601be902a$4cb55150$4573989e@simon.wordcraft.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-Reply-To: <001701be9015$091a8b00$895008c3@persona> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 302 Lines: 9 > David L wrote: > Not so tricky with a good hard drive removable rack! Indeed, I take the 2 hard disk caddies out of my machine in work every night when I go home, so I can plug them in there if I need to use them. Ironically, the last hard disk I had that died was the one fixed in the machine! Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 27 11:10:59 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF598EA9@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: Glos Show Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:10:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 525 Lines: 27 > From: The President [SMTP:ThePresident@thewhitehouse.co.uk] > >On just got it ????, when was it posted? [snip] Look at the header vvvvvvvvvvvv > > > C > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: William McGugan > > > To: > > > Sent: 07 October 1998 15:19 > > > Subject: RE: Glos Show > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Is there anyone else who made it as a 'professional' games > programmer? > > > > > > > > I have. :) > > > > > > > > Will. > > > > > > > > > > > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 27 11:26:04 1999 Message-ID: <000e01be9097$bf40a9a0$3237883e@ndutwh> From: "Chris White" To: References: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF598EA9@mailhost.aculab.com> Subject: Re: Glos Show Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 11:21:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 173 Lines: 11 > > From: The President [SMTP:ThePresident@thewhitehouse.co.uk] > > > >On just got it ????, when was it posted? > > [snip] > > Look at the header vvvvvvvvvvvv Doh , From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 27 12:45:38 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF598EAD@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: Source of technical information Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:48:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 226 Lines: 11 >And Blitz has a bit of techy info - with more appearing in each new issue of >course ;) > >David Talking of which, is issue 8 out yet? Or have I, like Soundbyte, forgotten to send off my re-subscription cheque again? Jut. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Apr 27 20:06:16 1999 Message-ID: <000a01be90e0$afbfa8c0$935008c3@persona> From: "David L" To: Subject: Re: Source of technical information Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:03:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 722 Lines: 26 Blitz 9 - should be being proofread as we speak. Don't know about the subs... will check out for u. BTW - will be in touch via work tomorrow other that other matter for u ;) -----Original Message----- From: Justin Skists To: 'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no' Date: 27 April 1999 12:48 Subject: RE: Source of technical information >Thanks for using NetForward! >http://www.netforward.com >v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v > >>And Blitz has a bit of techy info - with more appearing in each new issue >of >>course ;) >> >>David > >Talking of which, is issue 8 out yet? Or have I, like Soundbyte, >forgotten to send off my re-subscription cheque again? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 28 09:47:46 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851A1F@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: Source of technical information Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:53:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 468 Lines: 22 David L wrote: >Blitz 9 - should be being proofread as we speak. BLITZ 9?!?!? Damn.. I thought I was still waiting for Blitz 8. I'll have to go and check my disk-boxes once I get them out of my big cardboard boxes that I still haven't unpacked yet (along with my SAM's power pack)... >Don't know about the subs... will check out for u. Cheers.. >BTW - will be in touch via work tomorrow for that other matter for u ;) You make it sound suspicious... ;) Jut. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Apr 28 15:19:52 1999 Message-Id: <011a01be9181$dba33eb0$6951c29e@inf.upol.cz> From: "Aley Keprt" To: References: <000601be8cce$302008f0$03a046c2@simon.wordcraft.co.uk> Subject: Re: Win32 SimCoupe Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 16:17:33 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2262 Lines: 59 ----- Original Message ----- From: Si Owen To: Sent: 22. dubna 1999 16:41 Subject: RE: Win32 SimCoupe (was: Z80 flags for INI(R) and OTI(R)? #2 (oops!)) > Aley Keprt wrote: > > I can't imagine the situation, where unions are inefficient. > > Go and try it and you will see. > > The Z80 emulator I use in my programs use unions and it looks very > > efficient. > > I've done it already and it didn't actually seem to make much difference to > the performance from my tests. I've changed it to handle HL, IX and IY the > same way now too, instead of as separate special cases in each instruction > that used them, and that didn't make a whole lot of difference either from > what I can see (it does neaten it up a lot tho). > > Si > > Well, unions as well as flags looking-up tables can help much. Obviously you can hardly see any difference on Pentium 2, when the CPU is pretty fast. But you can get more on slower machines (486 etc.). I think you should look to 486's when comparing all possible realisations, because the SimCoupe is really fast enough on Pentium 2. But some people really have slower machines, and THEY want it to run faster, not we, when we have Celerons. I think tables can't eat more memory than code. If we count 1000 instructions of Z80 and each of them would have it's own flag computing code, it takes at least 10000 bytes. (+/-) If some instructions don't change flags, let we say 5000 bytes. Tables don't eat more than 1000 bytes and make speed-ups mainly on slower machines. I really don't see any disadvantage. You wrote about some memory taken by those tables. But it seems that code we could remove when using tables could be even longer than those tables. Especially when assembler is always 32bit, but flag look-up tables are 8bit. I have experience with MOD players, when doing things like I said makes GREAT speed-ups. That's why I think it could help us in SimCoupe too. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Aley [eili] Keprt - student, programmer (multimedia soft. etc.) phone: +420-68-538 70 35 e-mail: AleyKeprt@bigfoot.com *** http://get.to/aley ---------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 29 12:53:05 1999 From: Psycho Billy Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 12:43:31 GMT+0 Subject: Re: Source of technical information X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <95A3F929F5@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 369 Lines: 15 > Blitz 9 - should be being proofread as we speak. > > Don't know about the subs... will check out for u. > > BTW - will be in touch via work tomorrow other that other matter for > u ;) I've seen it al now - David Ledbury the pimp. ;-) Peace, Love, Kisses... JohnnaPig Teare JPOL: http://johnnapig.webjump.com "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 29 13:00:21 1999 From: Psycho Billy Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 12:30:02 GMT+0 Subject: Re: Putting the whole boring argumet simply X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <95A7891893@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 4425 Lines: 94 > If the only Sams being used are virtual then probably less software > will be produced. Why write software for a virtual Sam as hardly > anyone will use it or need to use it as anything the VR Sam can do > the machine they are running it on can do and faster. This would be a problem if there was any great supply of work-in-progress software out there. But there isn't. Chris' Defender came as a nice surprise to everybody, but can anybody realisiticly remember the last game that was released before that? Stratosphere is about as far back as I can think, and that was at the start of last year! And to counter that argument, if people could develop on SIM Coupe and then write the4 software back to floppy for distrubiton on standard SAM's then I think we would see more released on the SAM. What would you rather do - roam through your atic blowing the dust off your SAM and setting it up (plugging it into your telly, digging out your old disks box, crossing your fingers and hoping everything still works), or double click on the SIM Coupe icon on your desktop and crack on? > Without a real > Sam the Sam community will die or stay at maybe 100 users as no new > users will be recruited to a virtual Sam community, because to use a > virtual Sam you need a fast machine and if you have one most people > will use software produced by the big software companies as most > will not have heard of Sam. Firstly, dispell the myth that there are new users comig to the SAM. there are not. THe only people still here are those who mades friends in teh community and want to keep in touch. People who use the machine as a serious computer can be counted on one hand. As to saying no new users will be recruited to a virtual SAM comnuity, that is ludicrous. If the SIm Coupe source is out there, then those who heard of the SAM Coupe but never got around to buying one can now try the machie for free. Okay, maybe they'll download the software, try it once ad then bin it, but at least we are getting ourselves seen by others. Nobody is going to spend stlg200 ona new SAM just to test the water when they can run it perfectly well, and buy legitiimate games from legitimate publishers, on a PC. If the software companies such as Persona and Revelation think on ahead, they could supply the .dsk files themselves, charging for them as they would software in SAM format, and us PC owners could go about using them quite happily. Accept that SIM Coupe is here, and attempt to do something abotu it other than complain. Get one step ahead of the game by supplying your own .dsk files for sale - yes they;re easily copiable, but so has nearly all SAM software since the dawn of time (XCopy Pro on the Amiga worked fine for me). Oh, and you don't need an especially fast maching to run SIM Coupe. I've got a 486/66 that runs it rather nicely in DOS. > Power supplies are easy things to > replace a standard PC supply can be modified very easily as long as > you use the scart for sound and picture. I use one on my Sam. Disk > drives can be replaced not as easily but it can be done. Most of the > problems with the slimline drives is the drive belt which can be > replaced. But why should I have to pay inflated prices for disk drives - I can get one for a tenner for my PC. And the SAM power supplies are so damn unreliable (I've had about sven of them) I'm loathe to invest more dead money into them when I can run my SAM, write games, stay in touch all from my PC. > I am not saying that the SimCoupe should be stopped but > protection of new software must be the priority. So if you want to > run software on SimCoupe then do it legally. This means that there > must be protection built into SimCoupe so anyone releasing software > can release a version that will work on simcoupe if the purchaser > requests it. So maybe the software would need to be licensed to that > person, as mentioned by Si Owen. It may come as a shock to many SAM users, but there is a whole new worl dof technology out there that we must eitehr embrace, by supporting SIM Coupe in every way we possibly can, or watch the SAM community upgrade to PC and forget all about our lovealbe little bluer footed soldier. My friends, it is time to move on. > > > Richard. > Peace, Love, Kisses... JohnnaPig Teare JPOL: http://johnnapig.webjump.com "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 29 13:20:05 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851A26@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: Source of technical information Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 13:24:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 182 Lines: 11 >> BTW - will be in touch via work tomorrow other that other matter for >> u ;) > >I've seen it al now - David Ledbury the pimp. >;-) *laugh* It's innocent, I tell you!!!!!! Jut. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 29 13:44:40 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851A27@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: Putting the whole boring argumet simply Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 13:49:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2271 Lines: 61 >And to counter that argument, if people could develop on SIM Coupe >and then write the4 software back to floppy for distrubiton on >standard SAM's then I think we would see more released on the SAM. >What would you rather do - roam through your atic blowing the dust >off your SAM and setting it up (plugging it into your telly, digging >out your old disks box, crossing your fingers and hoping everything >still works), or double click on the SIM Coupe icon on your desktop >and crack on? Funnily enough, that's EXACTLY what I've been wanting to do lately. I've got so many things I want to do for the SAM, but developing them on the SAM itself, as I find, is so bloody time-consuming! [cycle begin] boot up Pro-DOS. edit assembler/C program in text editer (ZDE) assemble (ZAS) / compile (Hitech C) program reset SAM boot up working development disk load up CP/M to SAM file converter (prosam) copy binary file over run program debug program (TurboMon) reset SAM [cycle end - repeat] It will be great to have a PC where I can edit the files in one window, import the files into a CP/M emulator in another window, import those files into SimCoupe to test and, if need-be, copy the files onto the disk and run them on a real SAM (or even bootstrap the files over the serial line to the kernel in my SAM - once I build my flexible comms interface, that is)... It may be the same process as before, but it should be a LOT quicker... >People who use the >machine as a serious computer can be counted on one hand. Upto recently, I was determined NOT to have a PC but to keep my developments on SAM... but I'm becomming too impatient and thinking "I can't be bothered to do all that disk-swapping - where's the TV remote?" instead of getting on and doing my stuff. >It may come as a shock to many SAM users, but there is a whole new >worl dof technology out there that we must eitehr embrace, by >supporting SIM Coupe in every way we possibly can, or watch the SAM >community upgrade to PC and forget all about our lovealbe little >bluer footed soldier. Hey.. Mine's black-footed!! You unpolitically-correct person, you! :) >My friends, it is time to move on. Talking of which, does SimCoupe have MIDI support yet? Jut. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 29 14:11:09 1999 Message-ID: <002501be9241$b367b3c0$21c548c2@Enterprise.enterprise.net> From: "Chris Pile" To: Subject: Re: Putting the whole boring argumet simply Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 14:10:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1892 Lines: 52 >Funnily enough, that's EXACTLY what I've been wanting to do >lately. I've got so many things I want to do for the SAM, >but developing them on the SAM itself, as I find, is so >bloody time-consuming! > >[cycle begin] > boot up Pro-DOS. > edit assembler/C program in text editer (ZDE) > assemble (ZAS) / compile (Hitech C) program > reset SAM > boot up working development disk > load up CP/M to SAM file converter (prosam) > copy binary file over > run program > debug program (TurboMon) > reset SAM >[cycle end - repeat] Ouch! I developed Defender on the PC using the following tools: Editor: Borlands' BRIEF. Which is great as it uses the hard-disk as virtual RAM, so your source can be almost any length. Assembler: AS80. A great freeware Z80 macro assembler that can produce linkable code or a simple (ROM-like) runable binary. That's it. Write code on the PC, copy binary to floppy and use the SAM MS-DOS reader to get it into the SAM for testing. It's quite painless. Defender had to be done this way for timing reasons, but I have since written a small PC program that takes the binary produced by AS80 and blits it into a Simcoupe .DSK image. A simple .BAT file runs AS80, blits the binary to the .DSK and runs Simcoupe for testing. Pressing F10 in Simcoupe drops back into the .BAT and it then kicks BRIEF back into action to continue editing where you left off. This is even more painless!! However, because of the few idiosyncrasies within Simcoupe you still need to test certain things on a real SAM. Sound being the obvious one! When Si completes his Windows port (complete with sound and accurate timing!!!) developing for SAM under Simcoupe on the PC will be a breeze... >>...and forget all about our lovealbe little bluer footed soldier. > >Hey.. Mine's black-footed!! You unpolitically-correct person, you! :) So's mine! :-) Chris. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 29 15:17:01 1999 From: "Si Owen" To: Subject: RE: Putting the whole boring argumet simply Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 15:15:27 +0100 Message-ID: <000001be924a$bb0bcae0$03a046c2@simon.wordcraft.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-Reply-To: <002501be9241$b367b3c0$21c548c2@Enterprise.enterprise.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1289 Lines: 27 Chris Pile wrote: > When Si completes his Windows port (complete with sound and > accurate timing!!!) Well, it's not me that's writing that part of it - Dave Hooper, Aley Keprt and Simon Cooke are involved with the sound side of things. Accurate timing will probably come in time, but probably at the cost of a small performance hit from a few more tests in the main Z80 loop. At the moment I've got the original spec values in, but am rounding the instruction timing value up to the next 8 before adding it. This still isn't accurate but gives better timing in some thing, especially Manic Miner that used to run far too fast! > developing for SAM under Simcoupe on the PC will be a breeze... It'll be good for the majority of development, but things will still need testing on a real SAM to make sure they work OK. SimCoupe is very good at behaving like a real SAM when the software does work on a real SAM, but there are certain fringe areas where it will behave differently. i.e. the SimCoupe disk system is a lot more timing tolerant that the real version, so any disk code would need more testing on a real SAM to make sure it works, even if it's fine under the emulator! That could probably be tightened up, but there'll still be no guarantee it'll work on the real SAM! Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 29 16:01:39 1999 From: "Si Owen" To: Subject: RE: Sam Juggler (Re: SimCoupe & protected disks) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 15:58:52 +0100 Message-ID: <000101be9250$cc18d110$03a046c2@simon.wordcraft.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1606 Lines: 32 Andrew Collier wrote: > MNEMOdemo1 part 2 (my bit) crashes. I never did manage to work out exactly > why, but I rather suspect it has to do with interrupt timings. I've corrected the interrupt timings (as discovered Ian or yourself) so the interrupt bits aren't visible during the last 3us of the interrupt, but they stay active so interrupts can still occur. I've not tried that demo yet so I'm not sure if that's related to the problem, but it can't do any harm! > Also, according to the website, SamDice crashes on startup, Fixed - turned out to be the missing 'read address' implementation in the floppy controller. 'read track' was also needed for the 'diagnostic read' to work without crashing. I extended this to add full support for protected disks, so Prince of Persia, Lemmings (tho I've broken the mouse support it seems), etc. now work when they're converted to the new type of disk image needed to describe them accurately. Existing DSK/SAD images can be formated, but only to the normal 10x512 sector format. The new images can be formatted to custom formats within the emulator, and can be viewed/edited with SamDice. I've written a BASIC program and some ASM to use on the real SAM to scan protected disks a side at a time and raw write it to another disk. I then use SBK to transfer them to the PC and (for the moment, until there's a utility to do it) use a binary editor to splice sections of them together. Of course it'll be up to people to generate their own SDF image files for any software they have as I won't distribute them, even if people claim to own the original! Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 29 17:18:06 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000001be924a$bb0bcae0$03a046c2@simon.wordcraft.co.uk> References: <002501be9241$b367b3c0$21c548c2@Enterprise.enterprise.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 17:14:39 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: RE: Putting the whole boring argumet simply X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 787 Lines: 21 At 3:15 pm +0100 29/4/99, Si Owen wrote: >Chris Pile wrote: >> When Si completes his Windows port (complete with sound and >> accurate timing!!!) > >Well, it's not me that's writing that part of it - Dave Hooper, Aley Keprt >and Simon Cooke are involved with the sound side of things. Are they/you working on support for generic DSP devices, or still just the SoundBlaster hardware? I was about to start writing a generic one myself actually, but if it is already being done then there's no need for me to bother... Andrew -- | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he +----------------+-----------------------------+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 29 19:35:38 1999 Message-ID: <001501be926d$9226cee0$71913b9d@dns.microsoft.com> From: "Simon Cooke" To: References: <002501be9241$b367b3c0$21c548c2@Enterprise.enterprise.net> Subject: Re: Putting the whole boring argumet simply Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:24:50 -0700 Organization: McIroSoft MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.2300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 734 Lines: 18 > Are they/you working on support for generic DSP devices, or still just the > SoundBlaster hardware? I was about to start writing a generic one myself > actually, but if it is already being done then there's no need for me to > bother... Actually, the plan is to go through the Windows Multimedia subsystem, as it's easy to set up and splat stuff through, and that way you also get accurate timers so we can sync SimCoupe to 50Hz :) But basically, it'll be stereo, 16-bit PCM output. All you'll need is a Windows driver for your sound card. Should be an easy port to the Mac too -- fingers crossed. Simon Cooke (The views of this poster are his and his alone, and may or may not reflect the views of the Microsoft Corporation). From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 29 19:50:36 1999 Message-ID: <3728A917.593E@clara.net> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 19:47:30 +0100 From: Gordon Wallis Organization: HEXdidn't... X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Putting the whole boring argumet simply References: <002501be9241$b367b3c0$21c548c2@Enterprise.enterprise.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 785 Lines: 19 Chris Pile wrote: > ...I developed Defender on the PC using the following tools: > > Editor: Borlands' BRIEF. Which is great as it uses the hard-disk as virtual > RAM, so your source can be almost any length. > Oh, god... How I *love* BRIEF. The most fantastic text-editor for fiddling with PostScript files I've ever used. When you need to make a 120Mb file print portrait rather than landscape, or you need to comment out the a4tray line, accept no substitute. Also good for demonstrating to idiots the difference between Adobe PostScript and Hewlett-Packard print files. Sorry, just had to say so. -- < The HEXdidn't... Homepage: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < ------ Featuring The U.K. Policenauts Homepage ------ > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< http://www.hexdidnt.clara.net > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 29 20:49:02 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001501be926d$9226cee0$71913b9d@dns.microsoft.com> References: <002501be9241$b367b3c0$21c548c2@Enterprise.enterprise.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 20:45:43 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Putting the whole boring argumet simply X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 858 Lines: 22 >> Are they/you working on support for generic DSP devices, or still just the >> SoundBlaster hardware? I was about to start writing a generic one myself >> actually, but if it is already being done then there's no need for me to >> bother... > >Actually, the plan is to go through the Windows Multimedia subsystem, as >it's easy to set up and splat stuff through, >Should be an easy port to the Mac too -- fingers crossed. And Linux? I mean, however it is you decide to shove the data out of the speakers... somewhere in the middle your code will be producing a sound sample, will it? Andrew -- | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he +----------------+-----------------------------+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 29 21:25:26 1999 Message-ID: <000901be927d$31b2a0b0$71913b9d@dns.microsoft.com> From: "Simon Cooke" To: References: <002501be9241$b367b3c0$21c548c2@Enterprise.enterprise.net> Subject: Re: Putting the whole boring argumet simply Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 13:16:40 -0700 Organization: McIroSoft MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.2300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 289 Lines: 9 > And Linux? I mean, however it is you decide to shove the data out of the > speakers... somewhere in the middle your code will be producing a sound > sample, will it? Yup -- or rather, Dave's code will be. I'm just writing glue :) ... or sniffing it... or something... Simon (NSFMSFT) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 29 22:12:28 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000901be927d$31b2a0b0$71913b9d@dns.microsoft.com> References: <002501be9241$b367b3c0$21c548c2@Enterprise.enterprise.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 21:52:19 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Putting the whole boring argumet simply X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 805 Lines: 26 >> And Linux? I mean, however it is you decide to shove the data out of the >> speakers... somewhere in the middle your code will be producing a sound >> sample, will it? > >Yup -- or rather, Dave's code will be. I'm just writing glue :) Fairy 'nuff then. >... or sniffing it... or something... Hmm. Whatever. :) NB. I apologise if my messages appear somewhat terse - I'm typing this with one hand at the moment.[1] Andrew [1] Shut up, you know what I mean. The other hand is in plaster with a lacerated tendon in the index finger... -- | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he +----------------+-----------------------------+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 29 23:28:16 1999 From: "Si Owen" To: Subject: RE: Putting the whole boring argumet simply Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 23:26:48 +0100 Message-ID: <000101be928f$5ed1f7f0$4573989e@simon.wordcraft.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-Reply-To: <001501be926d$9226cee0$71913b9d@dns.microsoft.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 513 Lines: 16 Simon Cooke wrote: > Actually, the plan is to go through the Windows Multimedia subsystem, as > it's easy to set up and splat stuff through, and that way you also get > accurate timers so we can sync SimCoupe to 50Hz :) but, but, it's been optionally synced to 50Hz for about 2 months now! > But basically, it'll be stereo, 16-bit PCM output. All you'll need is a > Windows driver for your sound card. > > Should be an easy port to the Mac too -- fingers crossed. Hopefully the rest of it will be too... Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Apr 29 23:59:38 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000101be928f$5ed1f7f0$4573989e@simon.wordcraft.co.uk> References: <001501be926d$9226cee0$71913b9d@dns.microsoft.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 23:57:12 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: New SimCoupe Features (was RE: Putting the whole boring argumet simply) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 914 Lines: 26 'bout time we changed the subject headers, no? Si wrote: >> But basically, it'll be stereo, 16-bit PCM output. All you'll need is a >> Windows driver for your sound card. >> >> Should be an easy port to the Mac too -- fingers crossed. > >Hopefully the rest of it will be too... There already *is* a Mac port, but it is rather old and the source isn't available (despite the GPL and my occasional prodding....) That said, the author told me he was about to start working on an update, and he probably doesn't know about the advances you've made in the last few months. Perhaps you could get in contact with him? (richard.bannister@indigo.ie) Andrew -- | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he +----------------+-----------------------------+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 30 10:14:46 1999 Message-ID: <372973F9.7FC462E7@earthling.net> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:12:26 +0000 From: Andrew Gallagher Organization: QUB X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SAM mailing list Subject: Sir Clive to reenter computing market! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 191 Lines: 7 http://webserv.vnunet.com/www_user/plsql/pkg_vnu_template.comp_news?p_to_date=28-APR-99&p_cat_id=59&p_story_id=82266 -- Andrew Gallagher http://members.tripod.com/~AndrewGallagher/id.html From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 30 10:32:39 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851A31@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: Sir Clive to reenter computing market! Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:37:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 492 Lines: 22 YAY!!! GO CLIVE, GO!!!!!! I WANT ONE NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 Jut. > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Gallagher [SMTP:andrew.gallagher@earthling.net] > Sent: Friday, April 30, 1999 10:12 AM > To: SAM mailing list > Subject: Sir Clive to reenter computing market! > > http://webserv.vnunet.com/www_user/plsql/pkg_vnu_template.comp_news?p_to_d > ate=28-APR-99&p_cat_id=59&p_story_id=82266 > > -- > Andrew Gallagher > http://members.tripod.com/~AndrewGallagher/id.html > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 30 19:50:26 1999 From: "Maria Rookyard" To: "SAM Users Mailing List" Subject: Re: Putting the whole boring argumet simply Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 19:42:46 +0100 Message-ID: <01be9339$3d6c9de0$LocalHost@register> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 186 Lines: 10 > Simon Cooke > (The views of this poster are his and his alone Should have insisted on an office with a window - that way you could have had real views instead of pictures! Maria. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 30 20:58:45 1999 Message-ID: <372A0AA0.4804@clara.net> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 20:55:12 +0100 From: Gordon Wallis Organization: HEXdidn't... X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Putting the whole boring argumet simply References: <01be9339$3d6c9de0$LocalHost@register> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 456 Lines: 14 Maria Rookyard wrote: > > Simon Cooke > > (The views of this poster are his and his alone > > Should have insisted on an office with a window - that way you could have > had real views instead of pictures! > Surely his office *must* have windows. It's Microsoft. (boom boom) -- < The HEXdidn't... Homepage: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < ------ Featuring The U.K. Policenauts Homepage ------ > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< http://www.hexdidnt.clara.net > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Apr 30 21:05:30 1999 Message-ID: <000701be9343$8c5dc500$71913b9d@dns.microsoft.com> From: "Simon Cooke" To: References: <01be9339$3d6c9de0$LocalHost@register> Subject: Re: Putting the whole boring argumet simply Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:56:32 -0700 Organization: McIroSoft MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.2300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 513 Lines: 17 > > Simon Cooke > > (The views of this poster are his and his alone > > > Should have insisted on an office with a window - that way you could have > had real views instead of pictures! > > Maria. Actually, I like having a larger office than the guys with window views... however, the problem is that there's NO SUNLIGHT. Well, that and my larger office is now a smaller office :) Simon Cooke (The views of this poster are his and his alone, and may or may not reflect the views of the Microsoft Corporation). From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat May 1 04:13:06 1999 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 13:08:10 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: James R Curry Subject: Re: CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON -> SimCoupe & protected disks & Copyrig ht In-Reply-To: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF598E96@mailhost.aculab.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 332 Lines: 11 Through judicious use of monkeys and typewriters, "Justin Skists " came up with... >(Calmed down from being told by PC World that I was denied credit >to buy a PC - All I want to do is play with that digital camera and >run SimCoupe!!!!!!) Why did you go to PC World to buy a PC? ;| -- James R Curry