From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat May 1 00:45:17 1999 From: "Maria Rookyard" To: Subject: Re: Putting the whole boring argumet simply Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 00:24:03 +0100 Message-ID: <01be9360$89237b60$LocalHost@register> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 646 Lines: 22 >> > Simon Cooke >> > (The views of this poster are his and his alone >> >> >> Should have insisted on an office with a window - that way you >> could have had real views instead of pictures! >> >> Maria. > > Actually, I like having a larger office than the guys with window > views... however, the problem is that there's NO SUNLIGHT. And why should that bother you? The last time *you* were actually awake in daylight was 1994 when we stayed up all night on the summer solstice! > Well, that and my larger office is now a smaller office :) Simon Cooke and his amazing shrinking office... or is it something to do with superman? ;) Maria. x From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 4 11:29:24 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851A4F@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON -> SimCoupe & protected disks & Copyrig ht Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 11:29:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 692 Lines: 23 >Through judicious use of monkeys and typewriters, "Justin Skists >" came up with... Heh! :) >>(Calmed down from being told by PC World that I was denied credit >>to buy a PC - All I want to do is play with that digital camera and >>run SimCoupe!!!!!!) > >Why did you go to PC World to buy a PC? ;| a) PC World sells PCs (spookily enough) b) i didn't really care what spec PC I got. c) PC World is near to where I live (walking distance - just about) d) For 1300quid, I'd get everything I wanted in one box (even if it wasn't the best of quality - of which I didn't care about anyway) including scanner, printer and digital camera... Answered question? Jut From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 4 11:50:03 1999 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: CLOSING ARGUEEMENT ON -> SimCoupe & protected disks & Copyrig ht References: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851A4F@mailhost.aculab.com> X-Face: "J~~0'L`GfL^sW4%+i35x#X308)K/$7\]qy)UZ$`k:}Bx]6mgAA^N5,@brn/19TPn%o;j28 W7mD)UN~se8P9\3?wU.g+i9)X Date: 04 May 1999 11:47:20 +0100 In-Reply-To: Justin Skists's message of "Tue, 4 May 1999 11:29:58 +0100" Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.070083 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.83) Emacs/20.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 596 Lines: 15 Justin Skists writes: > a) PC World sells PCs (spookily enough) > b) i didn't really care what spec PC I got. > c) PC World is near to where I live (walking distance - just about) > d) For 1300quid, I'd get everything I wanted in one box (even if it > wasn't the best of quality - of which I didn't care about anyway) > including scanner, printer and digital camera... For 1300 quid it bloody should have been the best of quality ;) Lee. -- I was doing object-oriented assembly at 1 year old ... For some reason my mom insists on calling it "Playing with blocks" From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 4 11:56:39 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851A51@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: PC syuff.. Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 11:58:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 200 Lines: 10 >For 1300 quid it bloody should have been the best of quality ;) > >Lee. *chuckle* It was all the bundled stuff (which I wanted at the time) that made up the cost. It had tonnes of the stuff. Jut. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 4 12:09:02 1999 Subject: Uncle Clive's new baby To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 12:04:57 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851A4F@mailhost.aculab.com> from "Justin Skists" at May 4, 99 11:29:58 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Gale X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 808 Lines: 24 So, Uncle Clive is planning to produce a new Linux based machine, is he? This is what I predict, and no, I'm not taking the mick! - non-proper keyboard. Not quite sure in what sense it will be non-proper, but a rubber keyed one (like on the z88) with the excuse like "it allows for quiet typing on the train" seems likely. - non-standard IO and expansion ports. We'll probably get telephone sockets for audio out, 3.5mm for serial, and an edge connector for the printer! - they'll give one to a russian diplomat and the new battery technology will explode and leak hot stuff all down him. - they won't have a hard drive. Probably a 0.5meg flash drive, made from surplus 1 meg flash chips, half of which don't work. And there'll be a slot for fag-packet sized expansions. ...and I'd buy one tomorrow! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 5 10:40:15 1999 Message-Id: <005901be96da$bb6025b0$6951c29e@inf.upol.cz> From: "Aley Keprt" To: References: <002501be9241$b367b3c0$21c548c2@Enterprise.enterprise.net> Subject: Re: SAA1099 (was: Re: Putting the whole boring argumet simply) Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 11:36:20 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1426 Lines: 39 ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Collier To: Sent: 29. dubna 1999 18:14 Subject: RE: Putting the whole boring argumet simply > At 3:15 pm +0100 29/4/99, Si Owen wrote: > >Chris Pile wrote: > >> When Si completes his Windows port (complete with sound and > >> accurate timing!!!) > > > >Well, it's not me that's writing that part of it - Dave Hooper, Aley Keprt > >and Simon Cooke are involved with the sound side of things. > > Are they/you working on support for generic DSP devices, or still just the > SoundBlaster hardware? I was about to start writing a generic one myself > actually, but if it is already being done then there's no need for me to > bother... My existing SAA1099 emulator has nothing to do with SoundBlaster hardware. !!! It is hw independent, and implemented on 1. OPL2 synth (AdLib& Sound Blaster) 2. OPL3 synth (Sound Blaster Pro/16) 3. GUS/Interwave synth 4. software synth - capable of using any existing digital sound card. Also, Dave Hooper's emulator is also using software synth, hence able to play on any existing digital soundcard. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Aley [eili] Keprt - student, programmer (multimedia soft. etc.) phone: +420-68-538 70 35 e-mail: AleyKeprt@bigfoot.com *** http://get.to/aley ---------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 7 01:54:18 1999 Message-ID: <001001be9823$805a9550$71913b9d@dns.microsoft.com> From: "Simon Cooke" To: Subject: comp.sys.sinclair... jesus... Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 17:49:44 -0700 Organization: McIroSoft MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.2300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 378 Lines: 12 Hmmm... beginning to wonder if I should just do what 99% of people here at MS do -- ignore it all, and just don't get involved in online debates. Sheesh. So much bloody disinformation, FUD and crap out there Re: Microsoft that it's frightening. Simon Cooke (The views of this poster are his and his alone, and may or may not reflect the views of the Microsoft Corporation). From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 7 02:48:12 1999 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 02:46:24 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: comp.sys.sinclair... jesus... References: <001001be9823$805a9550$71913b9d@dns.microsoft.com> In-Reply-To: <001001be9823$805a9550$71913b9d@dns.microsoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 4.01 <8OHKkEUpoELRXEckwUjJGSM0AF> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 583 Lines: 20 In message <001001be9823$805a9550$71913b9d@dns.microsoft.com>, Simon Cooke writes >Hmmm... beginning to wonder if I should just do what 99% of people here at >MS do -- ignore it all, and just don't get involved in online debates. > >Sheesh. > >So much bloody disinformation, FUD and crap out there Re: Microsoft that >it's frightening. Is it true that Bill Gates drinks goat's blood? Graham Goring -- /====================================\ | Ber-Limey! There's not even enough | |room to swing a cat in this sodding-| \=========== ICQ: 5333545 ===========/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 7 09:15:17 1999 From: "Robert van der Veeke" To: Subject: Re: comp.sys.sinclair... jesus... Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 10:13:19 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19990507081321.1A6893ABA@maillist.kabelfoon.nl> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 394 Lines: 13 > Van: Graham Goring > Aan: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Onderwerp: Re: comp.sys.sinclair... jesus... > Datum: Friday, May 07, 1999 3:46 > Is it true that Bill Gates drinks goat's blood? Or does a goat drink Gates blood? just a idea :) -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Currently listening to : Brain Powerd - OST - (sigh finally :) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 7 10:22:43 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851A5B@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: comp.sys.sinclair... jesus... Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 10:26:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 647 Lines: 24 What was said? I don't have access to usenet... Justin. > -----Original Message----- > From: Simon Cooke [SMTP:simon@getwired.com] > Sent: Friday, May 07, 1999 1:50 AM > To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Subject: comp.sys.sinclair... jesus... > > Hmmm... beginning to wonder if I should just do what 99% of people here at > MS do -- ignore it all, and just don't get involved in online debates. > > Sheesh. > > So much bloody disinformation, FUD and crap out there Re: Microsoft that > it's frightening. > > Simon Cooke > (The views of this poster are his and his alone, and may or may not > reflect > the views of the Microsoft Corporation). > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 7 18:35:17 1999 Message-ID: <000701be98af$12f6b750$71913b9d@dns.microsoft.com> From: "Simon Cooke" To: References: <001001be9823$805a9550$71913b9d@dns.microsoft.com> Subject: Re: comp.sys.sinclair... jesus... Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 10:28:50 -0700 Organization: McIroSoft MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.2300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 683 Lines: 19 > In message <001001be9823$805a9550$71913b9d@dns.microsoft.com>, Simon > Cooke writes > >Hmmm... beginning to wonder if I should just do what 99% of people here at > >MS do -- ignore it all, and just don't get involved in online debates. > > > >Sheesh. > > > >So much bloody disinformation, FUD and crap out there Re: Microsoft that > >it's frightening. > > Is it true that Bill Gates drinks goat's blood? Well... you don't think that with all his money, he's going to settle for tomayto juice in his Bloody Mary do you? Simon Cooke (The views of this poster are his and his alone, and may or may not reflect the views of the Microsoft Corporation, or Satan). From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 7 18:42:50 1999 Message-ID: <003b01be98af$e08da2f0$71913b9d@dns.microsoft.com> From: "Simon Cooke" To: References: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851A5B@mailhost.aculab.com> Subject: Re: comp.sys.sinclair... jesus... Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 10:34:36 -0700 Organization: McIroSoft MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.2300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 601 Lines: 13 > What was said? I don't have access to usenet... Loads of crap about "Gates and his programmers" shouldn't breathe the same air as the rest of us, NT crashing 3 times a day (I'd expect a loose hardware card, or shitty drivers in that case - I've been running NT non-stop for months at a time without seeing even a slight glitch - and when I finally did it was because the SCSI card had worked loose), MS charging for product support (which is rubbish)... etc etc etc. Simon Cooke (The views of this poster are his and his alone, and may or may not reflect the views of the Microsoft Corporation). From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 7 21:25:49 1999 Message-ID: <37334B00.547B@clara.net> Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 21:20:16 +0100 From: Gordon Wallis Organization: HEXdidn't... X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Off-topic and 'asking for a favour' Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1197 Lines: 28 I recently got an email from the MD of my ex-employers asking me to take down a section of my website - specifically, the section that's made up of the work I did on their website before I resigned. Apparently, it's "now causing some problems with it coming up on some search engines." I've said no, on the grounds that it's my work, they're weren't planning on using it, it clearly states that it's not 'the real thing', and it's providing all their details, so it's effectiely an advertisement for them at my expense. Would anyone out there care to pop in on my site and follow the 'Work!?' link (or just go to http://www.hexdidnt.clara.net/ald/start.htm ) to see if there's anything remotely confusing about that section. So far as I can tell, they can't really 'get legal' on me, because the extra exposure my site gives them can only be beneficial. It's not as if I'm doing it along the lines of NetscapeSucks.com, either. Opinions, anyone? Gordon. -- < The HEXdidn't... Homepage: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < ------ Featuring The U.K. Policenauts Homepage ------ > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< http://www.hexdidnt.clara.net > \---------- AOL Instant Messenger: 'hexdidnt' ----------/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 7 21:51:28 1999 Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 21:47:24 +0100 (BST) From: Dave Hooper To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Off-topic and 'asking for a favour' In-Reply-To: <37334B00.547B@clara.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1343 Lines: 36 well, um, I guess they could try and get legal on you because: 1) you did the work for them, while you were employed for them, so effectively they own it, and can ask you to do whatever THEY want; 2) the only indication that /ald/index.html is *not* the real mccoy is in the title bar ... *NOT* A.L.Downloading Services. If this page is being indexed by search engines, then who's gonna notice that this isn't the real page? who honestly looks up there to see the title of the page? Have that obvious WARNING on this page and everything'll be ok same goes for framepage.html. 3) the following pages have NO indication that they are not 'real': mainpage.html map.html special/special.html faq/faq_intro.htm so ... it's a little thing, but they might have a right, and they might be right. i guess if you put that obvious banner on ALL pages, then they wouldn't mind. dave On Fri, 7 May 1999, Gordon Wallis wrote: > Would anyone out there care to pop in on my site and follow the 'Work!?' > link (or just go to http://www.hexdidnt.clara.net/ald/start.htm ) to see > if there's anything remotely confusing about that section. So far as I > can tell, they can't really 'get legal' on me, because the extra > exposure my site gives them can only be beneficial. It's not as if I'm > doing it along the lines of NetscapeSucks.com, either. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 7 22:04:21 1999 by mailhost.pemail2.net with SMTP; 7 May 1999 21:00:21 -0000 Message-ID: <37335492.4C616509@pmail.net> Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 22:01:06 +0100 From: Martin Fitzpatrick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Off-topic and 'asking for a favour' References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 561 Lines: 21 Dave Hooper wrote: > > so ... it's a little thing, but they might have a right, and they might be > right. i guess if you put that obvious banner on ALL pages, then they > wouldn't mind. > > dave Best way I can think is just to stick a frame across the top/bottom of the page saying *this is not real* blah blah blah. That wont take any effort at all on your part (except creating the frame html file thing, which is a piece of easyness). Then there can't be *any* complaint. Martin -- Email: poohsticks@pmail.net ICQ#: 11077801 AOL/CServeIM: Flupert From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 7 22:32:47 1999 Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 22:29:49 +0100 (BST) From: Dave Hooper To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Off-topic and 'asking for a favour' In-Reply-To: <37335492.4C616509@pmail.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 662 Lines: 22 On Fri, 7 May 1999, Martin Fitzpatrick wrote: > Dave Hooper wrote: > > > > so ... it's a little thing, but they might have a right, and they might be > > right. i guess if you put that obvious banner on ALL pages, then they > > wouldn't mind. > > > > dave > > Best way I can think is just to stick a frame across the top/bottom of > the page saying *this is not real* blah blah blah. That wont take any > effort at all on your part (except creating the frame html file thing, > which is a piece of easyness). Then there can't be *any* complaint. Umm... except for the fact that the site is designed for both frames and non-frames browsers ... ;) dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 7 22:55:14 1999 Message-ID: <37336088.52A0@clara.net> Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 22:52:08 +0100 From: Gordon Wallis Organization: HEXdidn't... X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Off-topic and 'asking for a favour' References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1048 Lines: 30 Dave Hooper wrote: > > On Fri, 7 May 1999, Martin Fitzpatrick wrote: > > > Dave Hooper wrote: > > > > > > so ... it's a little thing, but they might have a right, and they might be > > > right. i guess if you put that obvious banner on ALL pages, then they > > > wouldn't mind. > > > > > > dave > > > > Best way I can think is just to stick a frame across the top/bottom of > > the page saying *this is not real* blah blah blah. That wont take any > > effort at all on your part (except creating the frame html file thing, > > which is a piece of easyness). Then there can't be *any* complaint. > > Umm... except for the fact that the site is designed for both frames and > non-frames browsers ... ;) > > dave Damn. Still a good idea, though. I could make the NOFRAMES tag force them back to my index... -- < The HEXdidn't... Homepage: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < ------ Featuring The U.K. Policenauts Homepage ------ > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< http://www.hexdidnt.clara.net > \---------- AOL Instant Messenger: 'hexdidnt' ----------/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 7 23:18:49 1999 From: "Maria Rookyard" To: "SAM Users Mailing List" Subject: Re: comp.sys.sinclair... jesus... Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 22:23:41 +0100 Message-ID: <01be98cf$e141f140$LocalHost@register> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 469 Lines: 22 >> Is it true that Bill Gates drinks goat's blood? > > Well... you don't think that with all his money, he's going to settle for > tomayto juice in his Bloody Mary do you? ^^^^^^^^^^^^ Oi lose that bloody accent or I ain't hugging you when you visit! Maria. x > > Simon Cooke > (The views of this poster are his and his alone, and may or may not > reflect the views of the Microsoft Corporation, or Satan). Thought you lot all had to call him Mr. Gates *Sir* From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat May 8 02:07:10 1999 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 02:04:29 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: comp.sys.sinclair... jesus... References: <001001be9823$805a9550$71913b9d@dns.microsoft.com> <000701be98af$12f6b750$71913b9d@dns.microsoft.com> In-Reply-To: <000701be98af$12f6b750$71913b9d@dns.microsoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 4.01 <8OHKkEUpoELRXEckwUjJGSM0AF> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 420 Lines: 15 In message <000701be98af$12f6b750$71913b9d@dns.microsoft.com>, Simon Cooke writes >Well... you don't think that with all his money, he's going to settle for >tomayto juice in his Bloody Mary do you? You say tomayto... ;) Graham Goring -- /====================================\ | Ber-Limey! There's not even enough | |room to swing a cat in this sodding-| \=========== ICQ: 5333545 ===========/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat May 8 02:07:10 1999 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 02:05:02 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: comp.sys.sinclair... jesus... References: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851A5B@mailhost.aculab.com> <003b01be98af$e08da2f0$71913b9d@dns.microsoft.com> In-Reply-To: <003b01be98af$e08da2f0$71913b9d@dns.microsoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 4.01 <8OHKkEUpoELRXEckwUjJGSM0AF> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 864 Lines: 22 In message <003b01be98af$e08da2f0$71913b9d@dns.microsoft.com>, Simon Cooke writes >> What was said? I don't have access to usenet... > >Loads of crap about "Gates and his programmers" shouldn't breathe the same >air as the rest of us, NT crashing 3 times a day (I'd expect a loose >hardware card, or shitty drivers in that case - I've been running NT >non-stop for months at a time without seeing even a slight glitch - and when >I finally did it was because the SCSI card had worked loose), MS charging >for product support (which is rubbish)... etc etc etc. One of the most vocal of the people is Paul Irvine, a good mate of mine from uk.games.video.playstation! Graham Goring -- /====================================\ | Ber-Limey! There's not even enough | |room to swing a cat in this sodding-| \=========== ICQ: 5333545 ===========/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat May 8 02:43:47 1999 Message-ID: <37336288.14DA0437@btinternet.com> Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 23:00:40 +0100 From: Thomas Harte X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.2 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: comp.sys.sinclair... jesus... References: <001001be9823$805a9550$71913b9d@dns.microsoft.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 237 Lines: 7 > Hmmm... beginning to wonder if I should just do what 99% of people here at > MS do -- ignore it all, and just don't get involved in online debates. Hehe - if you work at Microsoft, say 'Hi' to the Mindcraft people for me! -Thomas From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat May 8 03:21:45 1999 Message-ID: <000b01be98f8$b7263b40$71913b9d@dns.microsoft.com> From: "Simon Cooke" To: References: <001001be9823$805a9550$71913b9d@dns.microsoft.com> <37336288.14DA0437@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: comp.sys.sinclair... jesus... Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 19:15:59 -0700 Organization: McIroSoft MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.2300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 417 Lines: 14 > > Hmmm... beginning to wonder if I should just do what 99% of people here at > > MS do -- ignore it all, and just don't get involved in online debates. > > Hehe - if you work at Microsoft, say 'Hi' to the Mindcraft people for > me! Yeah, right. Like I'd know them. There's 30,000 people at Microsoft in Seattle alone - not seven. ... and the Mindcraft people came here to use the test lab - nothing more. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat May 8 15:24:26 1999 X-Authentication-Warning: nosey.dcs.warwick.ac.uk: csuan owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 15:23:21 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Walker To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Off-topic and 'asking for a favour' In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 465 Lines: 13 On Fri, 7 May 1999, Dave Hooper wrote: > > the page saying *this is not real* blah blah blah. That wont take any > > effort at all on your part (except creating the frame html file thing, > > which is a piece of easyness). Then there can't be *any* complaint. > Umm... except for the fact that the site is designed for both frames and > non-frames browsers ... ;) Easily solved; direct them to the "not real" frame first, which links to the "main" page. Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat May 8 15:48:31 1999 From: davgw@clara.co.uk (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: comp.sys.sinclair... jesus... Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 14:46:58 GMT Message-ID: <37354d6f.24812485@relay.clara.net> References: <001001be9823$805a9550$71913b9d@dns.microsoft.com> <37336288.14DA0437@btinternet.com> <000b01be98f8$b7263b40$71913b9d@dns.microsoft.com> In-Reply-To: <000b01be98f8$b7263b40$71913b9d@dns.microsoft.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 580 Lines: 26 On Fri, 7 May 1999 19:15:59 -0700 Sat, 8 May 99 12:31:18 BST, "Simon Cooke" wrote: >> >> Hehe - if you work at Microsoft, say 'Hi' to the Mindcraft people for >> me! > >Yeah, right. Like I'd know them. You may well have done. :) >There's 30,000 people at Microsoft in Seattle alone - not seven. 30,000.. Jesus... how often does the lightbulb need changing then? >... and the Mindcraft people came here to use the test lab - nothing more. If they visit again, you will make a point of walking up and saying 'Hi', though, won't you? :) zzzzzzzz Dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat May 8 17:47:57 1999 From: "Maria Rookyard" To: "SAM Users Mailing List" Subject: Not SAM stuff Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 17:42:06 +0100 Message-ID: <01be9971$b561eb00$LocalHost@register> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 779 Lines: 24 My email's started playing up - when I "send and receive", more often than not it isn't sending things although it's downloading messages o.k. Generally if I try again straight after, it will send them then (but not always). It's only started this week and I haven't altered anything recently. Don't think it's a server problem because Martin's stuff seems to be going o.k. I'm using outlook express - same as I have for months with no previous problems. Any advice or suggestions? (Please note that suggestions such as "maybe your machine is crap" would not be helpful no matter how accurate they might be...) Maria. ================================ Through the madness, through the tears, We've still got each other for a million years ================================ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat May 8 18:21:35 1999 Message-ID: <373471C4.7E91@clara.net> Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 18:17:56 +0100 From: Gordon Wallis Organization: HEXdidn't... X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: My website - the outcome! :-( Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 4033 Lines: 79 First of all, many thanks to everyone who looked into my site and made suggestions. One of my friends from ALD just contacted me regarding this, and actaully explained the whole lot to me - prompting me to wonder why the stupid MD didn't do just that in the first place, rather than just tell me it's "causing some confusion". Anyway, to quote parts of the explanation:- "You are right in that it was prompted by just 1 customer" "A client (or rather potential client), typed our name into Yahoo, and got your site as a match as well as ours. Now, I'm not sure exactly what they typed in, but you know how it is with search engines and indexing. We are improving our registration on the various engines, but we will never be guaranteed to always appear before you in a search result." "We will be shortly be replacing the existing ALD web site with a completely new one. The new site will include our new logo and company image. Have you seen the new logo? It looks nothing like the old one (or the one on your web site). It still incorporates the arrow, but everything else - font, colours, design etc. is very different. Furthermore, the services that we offer are slowly changing, and we may choose to advertise some and not others. In fact, since employing a marketing consultant a few months ago our approach to our image and advertising strategies has also changed. So you see, what the company saw on you web site a few months ago was ignored as you had a link to our site, and it wasn't blatantly misrepresenting ALD to a worrying degree. This is not the case anymore. Within the next few weeks (or so) all remnants of the old image will be gone, so we obviously don't like the idea of your site being mistaken for representing ALD to any degree whatsoever." "The whole thing is a legal nightmare. For example, you don't have obvious disclaimers on every page, and you use the ISO logo and AL Group logo, when you don't have certification, and you are not licensed by AL Group Plc. I'm not being thick, I know that you are not trying to do harm or claim to have anything to do with AL Group or ISO, but that isn't the way they would see it. Above all, as I said above, you are misrepresenting the company, and could easily be sued (or so I have been told by my barrister friend)" "My advice to you is to remove it all. The MD wont drop it, so things could turn nasty if you don't retreat and reconcile your position. If you want to use your web site as a potential CV/Portfolio, then I would personally say that was fair enough. Why don't you simply remove all reference to AL Downloading, and invent some bogus company and new logo. After all the text on the site is not really yours. If you still want to show off your version of the AL Logo, simply stick it in the gallery. This would probably be ignored/tolerated by the MD. Anyway, I think that if anything the ALD bit of your site lets the rest down." ----- Yet again, the bloody MD doesn't let me in on exactly what's going on, doesn't explain about the upcoming changes, leaving me wondering why he's asking me to remove advertising for his company. This whole misinformation/lack of information thing was one of the leading contributing factors to my decision to leave. People, eh? Anyway, the upshot is that I *will* be removing the ALD section, as I have it on my Hard Disk and a CD if I do need it for CV purposes. To be honest - looking at it now - I think I probably *was* wrong to keep the 'Licensed by A.L. Group' logo, and the ISO logo, but then, since it seemed to me that I was merely increasing their exposure, it didn't occur to me that it would be that bad... So, thanks again for your help and suggestions, but my site's gonna get smaller... (hehe... the ALD bit "lets the rest down"... hehehe) Gordon. -- < The HEXdidn't... Homepage: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < ------ Featuring The U.K. Policenauts Homepage ------ > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< http://www.hexdidnt.clara.net > \---------- AOL Instant Messenger: 'hexdidnt' ----------/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat May 8 18:52:55 1999 Message-ID: <3734791E.3984@clara.net> Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 18:49:18 +0100 From: Gordon Wallis Organization: HEXdidn't... X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: comp.sys.sinclair... jesus... References: <001001be9823$805a9550$71913b9d@dns.microsoft.com> <37336288.14DA0437@btinternet.com> <000b01be98f8$b7263b40$71913b9d@dns.microsoft.com> <37354d6f.24812485@relay.clara.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 719 Lines: 20 Dave Whitmore wrote: > >There's 30,000 people at Microsoft in Seattle alone - not seven. > > 30,000.. Jesus... how often does the lightbulb need changing then? > > >... and the Mindcraft people came here to use the test lab - nothing more. > > If they visit again, you will make a point of walking up and saying > 'Hi', though, won't you? > > :) OK, I'm sensing some kind of a 'point' to all this... Maybe part of this Mindcraft group is someone you know, Simon? Just a guess. -- < The HEXdidn't... Homepage: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < ------ Featuring The U.K. Policenauts Homepage ------ > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< http://www.hexdidnt.clara.net > \---------- AOL Instant Messenger: 'hexdidnt' ----------/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat May 8 22:41:10 1999 Message-ID: <3734AEA6.2219F5F@btinternet.com> Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 22:37:43 +0100 From: Thomas Harte X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.2 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: comp.sys.sinclair... jesus... References: <001001be9823$805a9550$71913b9d@dns.microsoft.com> <37336288.14DA0437@btinternet.com> <000b01be98f8$b7263b40$71913b9d@dns.microsoft.com> <37354d6f.24812485@relay.clara.net> <3734791E.3984@clara.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 941 Lines: 18 > OK, I'm sensing some kind of a 'point' to all this... Maybe part of this > Mindcraft group is someone you know, Simon? Just a guess. Or maybe, I being a Linux user was completely bored of the stupid paranoid Linux news sites taking a field day over one duff report (you would have thought Team OS/2 would have taught someone somewhere that bitching the opposition doesn't make your product any better) felt the need to make light of the whole matter but was taken as serious. I think the main way to look at Linux is this : a good operating system with a really arrogant user base. And the way to look at Microsoft? If the DOJ have their usually represented way, only a part at a time! (NB : I run a duel boot computer. All my word processing, and a lot of my programming is done under windows. And although a full DPMI implementation would have been nice, I much prefer that someone bothered to write Microsoft Word . . .) -Thomas From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun May 9 02:55:39 1999 Message-ID: <000f01be99be$666f78d0$71913b9d@dns.microsoft.com> From: "Simon Cooke" To: References: <001001be9823$805a9550$71913b9d@dns.microsoft.com> <37336288.14DA0437@btinternet.com> <000b01be98f8$b7263b40$71913b9d@dns.microsoft.com> <37354d6f.24812485@relay.clara.net> <3734791E.3984@clara.net> Subject: Re: comp.sys.sinclair... jesus... Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 18:51:04 -0700 Organization: McIroSoft MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.2300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 917 Lines: 23 > OK, I'm sensing some kind of a 'point' to all this... Maybe part of this > Mindcraft group is someone you know, Simon? Just a guess. Unless they work at Mindcraft and never told me they were, no I don't know anyone from Mindcraft. The people I know in Seattle break down like this: 1. People I work with / know from Microsoft and MSNBC, and their spouses/significant others. This includes one (1) friend who worked at MS and now works at Aventail. 2. My next door neighbour, who's kinda freaky and extremely noise sensitive to the point where I've considered moving repeatedly. 3. A few people who work at City Market (a little grocer's store). 4. The bartenders at Bandoleone, Serafina's, one of the TGI Friday ones and the sous-chef at Serafina too. 5. Lots of theatre folk. 6. One (1) artist who draws things that'd put whoever does the artwork for Neil Gaiman's comics to shame. And that's about it. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun May 9 03:03:14 1999 Message-ID: <001501be99be$a7520980$71913b9d@dns.microsoft.com> From: "Simon Cooke" To: References: <001001be9823$805a9550$71913b9d@dns.microsoft.com> <37336288.14DA0437@btinternet.com> <000b01be98f8$b7263b40$71913b9d@dns.microsoft.com> <37354d6f.24812485@relay.clara.net> <3734791E.3984@clara.net> <3734AEA6.2219F5F@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: comp.sys.sinclair... jesus... Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 18:52:53 -0700 Organization: McIroSoft MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.2300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 929 Lines: 19 From: Thomas Harte > > OK, I'm sensing some kind of a 'point' to all this... Maybe part of this > > Mindcraft group is someone you know, Simon? Just a guess. > > Or maybe, I being a Linux user was completely bored of the stupid > paranoid Linux news sites taking a field day over one duff report (you > would have thought Team OS/2 would have taught someone somewhere that > bitching the opposition doesn't make your product any better) felt the > need to make light of the whole matter but was taken as serious. I think > the main way to look at Linux is this : a good operating system with a > really arrogant user base. *lols* Team OS/2 - if I've got my facts straight - was one Microsoft employee (Steve Barkto) who was fired shortly afterwards for his conduct online. Simon Cooke (The views of this poster are his and his alone, and may or may not reflect the views of the Microsoft Corporation). From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun May 9 15:41:05 1999 X-Authentication-Warning: hurricane.dcs.warwick.ac.uk: csuan owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 15:39:14 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Walker To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: comp.sys.sinclair... jesus... In-Reply-To: <001501be99be$a7520980$71913b9d@dns.microsoft.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 297 Lines: 11 On Sat, 8 May 1999, Simon Cooke wrote: > *lols* Team OS/2 - if I've got my facts straight - was one Microsoft > employee (Steve Barkto) who was fired shortly afterwards for his conduct > online. The Team OS/2 that I know of are a group of OS/2 supporters .. some confusion somewhere. :-) Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun May 9 20:21:24 1999 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 20:00:14 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: James R Curry Subject: Re: Not SAM stuff In-Reply-To: <01be9971$b561eb00$LocalHost@register> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 470 Lines: 16 Through judicious use of monkeys and typewriters, "Maria Rookyard " came up with... >It's only started this week and I haven't altered anything recently. Don't >think it's a server problem because Martin's stuff seems to be going o.k. So you're asking "What's wrong"..? >I'm using outlook express Why waste bandwidth if you're going to ask and answer your own question? :P *looks at Simon Cooke and ducks behind his desk* -- James R Curry From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 10 02:53:13 1999 X-Authentication-Warning: scallop.dcs.warwick.ac.uk: csuan owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 02:50:51 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Walker To: SAM Users Mailing List Subject: Re: Not SAM stuff In-Reply-To: <01be9971$b561eb00$LocalHost@register> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 519 Lines: 15 On Sat, 8 May 1999, Maria Rookyard wrote: > My email's started playing up - when I "send and receive", more often than > not it isn't sending things although it's downloading messages o.k. > Generally if I try again straight after, it will send them then (but not > always). Anything more precise? For example, does it only play up when you have mail to send and nothing to download? Might also be worth checking if your ISP has changed their mail software recently, although that's something of a long shot. Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 10 10:23:03 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851A5E@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: comp.sys.sinclair... jesus... Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 10:27:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1812 Lines: 49 Heh.. I can see how mad you must feel. To tell you the truth, I have only managed to crash NT4 once and that was because the driver I tried doing something with my testing utility shouldn't have and it gave me my first "blue screen". I never did find the cause or see the same problem again. I'm not anti-any-software-company-except-my-old-company-and-the- competitors-to-my-new-company, I guess - I just distrust computer systems in general. Is that why I became a "shitty driver programmer"? :) To be fair to MS (as a fellow commercial coder), they have about a billion projects on the go with a limited supply of resources and deadlines coming out of their ears... Of course the OS system they work on can't predict EVERYTHING a secondary coder tries to do... Did I tell you the story where I managed to completely screw up the boot partition on my DEC AlphaServer down here by a small bug in the dynamically loading driver I'm working on. :) Kernel development, heh - fun! :) Jut. > -----Original Message----- > From: Simon Cooke [SMTP:simon@getwired.com] > Sent: Friday, May 07, 1999 6:35 PM > To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Subject: Re: comp.sys.sinclair... jesus... > > > What was said? I don't have access to usenet... > > Loads of crap about "Gates and his programmers" shouldn't breathe the same > air as the rest of us, NT crashing 3 times a day (I'd expect a loose > hardware card, or shitty drivers in that case - I've been running NT > non-stop for months at a time without seeing even a slight glitch - and > when > I finally did it was because the SCSI card had worked loose), MS charging > for product support (which is rubbish)... etc etc etc. > > Simon Cooke > (The views of this poster are his and his alone, and may or may not > reflect > the views of the Microsoft Corporation). > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 10 15:45:08 1999 From: Psycho Billy Organization: University of Central Lancashire To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 13:57:27 GMT+0 Subject: Leaving on a jet plane X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-ID: <9587247AB1@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1170 Lines: 29 And so three years on sam-users comes to an end. My time at uni is up, I don't have internet access at home, and I'm going back into the sam wilderness. It's been fun, mostly, and we've had some interesting debates. Things have gone a bit shit recently with all that dull microsoft / pc stuff - you can get that kind of chat anywhere on teh net - we're a sam-users list and we should stay that way - but when we do get on about sam, we come up with some intersdting stuff that's worth hanging around for. i don't imagine they will, but if anybody has got an urgent need to contact me, my account at uni will be opne unti lthe end of may, and then I'll have a hotmail one (johnna_teare@hotmail.com) which I'll be checking once every blue moon. Right, that's it! I'm hanign garound till the end of teh afternoon, and then unsubbing. Thank you to one and all, and keep the faith with SAM in some form, especially SIM Coupe, because if it wasn't worth it we wouldn't still be here after ten baron years. Love long and perspire Peace, Love, Kisses... JohnnaPig Teare JPOL: http://johnnapig.webjump.com "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 10 16:36:59 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851A61@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: Leaving on a jet plane Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 16:34:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 66 Lines: 4 In response to Psycho Billy's tearful goodbye: Good luck. Jut. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 10 17:42:42 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9587247AB1@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 17:35:57 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Leaving on a jet plane Cc: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 520 Lines: 14 >Thank you to one and all, and keep the faith with SAM in some form, >especially SIM Coupe, because if it wasn't worth it we wouldn't still >be here after ten baron years. Hey, just make sure you stay around long enough for the tenth birthday, yes? Andrew -- | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he +----------------+-----------------------------+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 10 19:26:54 1999 From: davgw@clara.co.uk (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Leaving on a jet plane Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 18:20:44 GMT Message-ID: <3737214a.13150006@relay.clara.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 828 Lines: 19 On Mon, 10 May 1999 17:35:57 +0100 Mon, 10 May 99 18:58:29 BST, Andrew Collier wrote: >>Thank you to one and all, and keep the faith with SAM in some form, >>especially SIM Coupe, because if it wasn't worth it we wouldn't still >>be here after ten baron years. TTFN to Johnna. Is it back to the Isle of Man then? (I don't suppose you'll see this anyway) >Hey, just make sure you stay around long enough for the tenth birthday, yes? It'd be fun to have a bit of a 'deathbed vigil' like the people at Commodore did with the Amiga. I can't see myself staying around after December. It's funny but those ten years seem like a very long time in terms of my interest in SAM, while everything else seems to have gone so fast. Was I really only 30 back then?! :-) Dave (sticking around for a little bit longer) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 10 20:19:50 1999 Message-ID: <001501be9b19$2d0da830$71913b9d@dns.microsoft.com> From: "Simon Cooke" To: References: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851A5E@mailhost.aculab.com> Subject: Re: comp.sys.sinclair... jesus... Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 12:13:23 -0700 Organization: McIroSoft MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.2300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 498 Lines: 11 From: Justin Skists > I'm not anti-any-software-company-except-my-old-company-and-the- > competitors-to-my-new-company, I guess - I just distrust computer > systems in general. Is that why I became a "shitty driver > programmer"? :) Ummm... actually, that wasn't a slur on driver programmers -- but I've seen some really bad drivers in the past, which have been the cause of many a problem. That's why I described a possible problem as "shitty drivers" Simon (NSFMSFT) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 10 20:19:50 1999 Message-ID: <002701be9b19$598fb330$71913b9d@dns.microsoft.com> From: "Simon Cooke" To: References: <9587247AB1@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Leaving on a jet plane Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 12:14:38 -0700 Organization: McIroSoft MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.2300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 678 Lines: 18 From: Psycho Billy > And so three years on sam-users comes to an end. My time at uni is > up, I don't have internet access at home, and I'm going back into the > sam wilderness. > > It's been fun, mostly, and we've had some interesting debates. Things > have gone a bit shit recently with all that dull microsoft / pc stuff > - you can get that kind of chat anywhere on teh net - we're a > sam-users list and we should stay that way - but when we do get on > about sam, we come up with some intersdting stuff that's worth > hanging around for. Take care dude! And consider FreeServe or whatever it is - you might be able to get online that way! :) Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 11 00:18:48 1999 From: "Maria Rookyard" To: Subject: Re: comp.sys.sinclair... jesus... Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 23:59:20 +0100 Message-ID: <01be9b38$bd0a5f40$LocalHost@register> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 200 Lines: 11 > I've seen some really bad drivers in the past, which have been the > cause of many a problem. > > Simon (NSFMSFT) Hell yes, there was the idiot who wrote my car off for a start... ;) Maria. x From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 11 00:34:11 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01be9b38$bd0a5f40$LocalHost@register> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 00:25:02 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: comp.sys.sinclair... jesus... X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 472 Lines: 16 >> I've seen some really bad drivers in the past, which have been the >> cause of many a problem. > >Hell yes, there was the idiot who wrote my car off for a start... >;) Ohh! Handbags at forty paces! Andrew -- | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he +----------------+-----------------------------+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 11 14:36:41 1999 Message-ID: <000b01be9bb2$635d5ea0$410bf0d4@ndutwh> From: "The President" To: References: <7718E96866B.AAB26D9@smtp01.wxs.nl> Subject: Can anyone help me out here Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 14:30:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 247 Lines: 11 Does anyone know how to contact Dr A Wright , or could they pass on my emails @thewhitehouse.co.uk chriswhite@thewhitehouse1600.freeserve.co.uk Just had a phone call from someone that would like to restablish contact :) Chris White From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 13 21:10:41 1999 Message-ID: <373B30F6.63B7785F@btinternet.com> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 21:07:18 +0100 From: Thomas Harte X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.2 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SAM Mailing List Subject: Help with : Writing my first (decent) SAM program . . . Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1107 Lines: 24 Hi, I received SC-ASM the other day, and being not ill acquainted with z80 assembler and the workings of the ZX Spectrum, I've programmed a few basic things. You know, like pressing different keys activating different border colours and little things like that. I therefore notice that port 0xfe still does a lot of the same old Spectrum stuff. Now I want to do something better! Like a sprite moving around or something. So, I am wondering - what port & by what method would I page memory in and out? And where does the screen memory start? If I page out the ROM can I use the lower 32k for the screen and the higher 32k for program . . . and amongst other things neatly dodge the contended memory issues? Or is contended memory a whole different prospect on the SAM? Also, I picked up on here that the SAM's video memory is sensibly arranged. Can I take it that it therefore that it is a true linear frame buffer in the same sense as a VBE2 (or even good old mode 13h) one is? I take it one pixel is four bytes? I'm not really bothered about sound right now, but which port is that on? -Thomas From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 13 21:30:46 1999 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 21:27:33 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Stuart Brady Subject: Re: Help with : Writing my first (decent) SAM program . . . In-Reply-To: <373B30F6.63B7785F@btinternet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 385 Lines: 12 On Thu, 13 May 1999, Thomas Harte wrote: >I take it one pixel is four bytes? Erm... No. You probably meant to say four /bits/ (a nibble). Four bytes is 32 bits per pixel? Not likely, on a SAM. The Kaleidoscope wasn't too bad, IIRC... But no programs supported it. What was the Kaleidoscope's display like? Oh, and did anyone get round to selling a SAM Accelerator? -- Stuart Brady From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 13 21:45:40 1999 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 21:35:31 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Stuart Brady Subject: E-tracker Disk Image MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 187 Lines: 5 I've just downloaded e-tracker, but I can't seem to get the image onto a disk... would anyone have a sad or dsk that they could email to me, so that I can try using sbk. -- Stuart Brady From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 14 00:16:56 1999 Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 23:59:43 +0100 (BST) From: Dave Hooper To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: E-tracker Disk Image In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 370 Lines: 14 I personally recommend using SamDsk.exe which you can ftp from nvg It's totally different to SamDisk.exe (ie, it works) dave On Thu, 13 May 1999, Stuart Brady wrote: > I've just downloaded e-tracker, but I can't seem to get the image onto a > disk... would anyone have a sad or dsk that they could email to me, so > that I can try using sbk. > -- > Stuart Brady > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 14 00:21:20 1999 From: PGLOVER43@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 19:18:01 EDT Subject: Re: Leaving on a jet plane To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 134 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 273 Lines: 8 Reading the subject title reminded me of a song I've never heard, although I wanted to.... Years ago, the Barron Knights did many parodies of songs, and one album track was based on a Peter, Paul and Mary song, but they called it "Heaving on a Jet Plane" Phil Glover. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 14 00:21:20 1999 From: PGLOVER43@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 19:18:02 EDT Subject: Keyboard membranes To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 134 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 566 Lines: 13 Does anyone know the life expectancy of a SAM keyboard membrane? Old Spectrums start malfunctioning if their membranes deteriorate, and I wondered how SAM's compared with them. Other than the membrane, what other part's failure would herald the end of SAMs working life? I've got one well-used SAM, a hardly touched reserve SAM and a new keyboard unit in its original packing. I hope they don't all expire at the same time. If they do, I'll have to get to grips with SimCoupe, I suppose, but I still prefer to use an original SAM occasionally. Phil Glover. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 14 00:34:13 1999 From: "Robert van der Veeke" To: Subject: Re: Keyboard membranes Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 01:26:17 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19990513233300.1D28A3AEB@maillist.kabelfoon.nl> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 767 Lines: 24 > Van: PGLOVER43@aol.com > Aan: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Onderwerp: Keyboard membranes > Datum: vrijdag, mei 14, 1999 1:18 > > Does anyone know the life expectancy of a SAM keyboard membrane? Old > Spectrums start malfunctioning if their membranes deteriorate, and I wondered > how SAM's compared with them. I have a Sam for 8 years now and i am using my third membrane now. Must admit that the last one took quite a while before failing completely. > Other than the membrane, what other part's failure would herald the end of > SAMs working life? Well the diskdrive is acting strangely now and then. For the rest my Sam is still working perfectly. -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Currently listening to : The Phantom Menace OST From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 14 00:54:11 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <373B30F6.63B7785F@btinternet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 00:49:53 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Help with : Writing my first (decent) SAM program . . . X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 6073 Lines: 183 >Hi, Hello, > I received SC-ASM the other day, and being not ill acquainted with z80 >assembler and the workings of the ZX Spectrum, I've programmed a few >basic things. You know, like pressing different keys activating >different border colours and little things like that. I therefore notice >that port 0xfe still does a lot of the same old Spectrum stuff. Yes, 254 (dec) is still the BORDER output port, but with a few differences; most importantly that you can set the border colour to be between 8 and 15 by setting bit 5, and that you can turn off the screen (in modes 3 and 4) by setting bit 7. More about that later. > Now I want to do something better! Like a sprite moving around or >something. Cool. Demos are always a good place to start :) >So, I am wondering - what port & by what method would I page >memory in and out? Right, this is going to sound a bit complicated..... you'll get used to it sooner or later :) The Sam's 512K RAM is arranged in 32 pages of 16K each. The ROM comes in two 16K sections, which go in sections A and D. As far as BASIC is concerned, 16384 is the start of RAM page 0. You can page any two consecutive pages into Z80 addresses 0 -> 32767 (Low Memory, sections A and B), and any two consecutive pages into Z80 addresses 32768 -> 65535 (High Memory, sections C and D). To page RAM into high memory, just output the first page number to bits 0->4 of HMPR = 251 dec (keep bits 5 -> 7 zero, they control external memory and an obscure CLUT feature in Mode 3). To page RAM into low memory, output the first page number to bits 0->4 of LMPR = 250 dec. Bit 5 should be HIGH if the RAM page is to replace the ROM0 page in section A. Bit 6 should be LOW if the RAM page is to replace the ROM1 page in section D. (keep bit 7 zero, it controls write-protect in page A) So, for example: OUT 250,33 OUT 251,30 results in: SECTION A: 0 -> 16383 : PAGE 1 SECTION B: 16384 -> 32767 : PAGE 2 SECTION C: 32768 -> 49151 : PAGE 30 SECTION D: 49152 -> 65535 : PAGE 31 >And where does the screen memory start? Where do you want it to? There is another port, VMPR = 252, which controls the screen location and mode. A mode 1 or 2 screen can be located at ANY page; a mode 3 or 4 screen can be located at any EVEN page. Bits 0->4 are the start page of the screen bitmap. Bits 5 and 6 control the mode (ie. subtract 1 from BASIC's mode number, and shift left a few times). Keep bit 7 zero, it controls MIDI out. Normally, the screen starts at page 30. >If I page out >the ROM can I use the lower 32k for the screen and the higher 32k for >program . . . Yes indeed, though I normally do it the other way round to catch mode 1 interrupts. Note that when you call a machine code routine, it will normally initially be paged into section C (but not if the routine is in page 0 or 2!). So my code normally goes something like this: DUMP 1,0 ORG 32768 in a,(lmpr) ld (lmprs),a in a,(hmpr) ld (hmprs),a and 31 ;make sure ROM1 is paged out and we're not changing anything else or 32 ;make sure ROM0 is paged out out (lmpr),a ;the same memory is paged into sections C and A jp lmem ;jump to the copy in section A hmem: lmprs: equ $+1 ld a,00 ; restore the previous value as BASIC expects out (lmpr),a ret ; end ORG $-32768 defs 56-$ interrupt: ei ret lmem: in a,(vmpr) ld (vmprs),a and 31 ; don't fiddle with the MIDI bit or 96 ; a mode 4 screen out (hmpr),a ... ; do some interesting things vmprs: equ $+1 ld a,00 ; restore BASIC's value in case we changed it out (vmpr),a hmprs: equ $+32768 ld a,00 ; put the program back into section C out (hmpr),a jp hmem ; jump there >and amongst other things neatly dodge the contended memory >issues? Or is contended memory a whole different prospect on the SAM? Contended memory is quite a complex issue on the Sam. Basically, ALL instruction times are rounded up to the nearest 4 t-states, (and execution speed is approximately halved during the screen area. To get some of the speed back you can turn the screen off - as I mentioned earlier - but if you need the display on then basically you're stuck with the contention). See Based On An Idea issue 2 for a more detailed explanation... > Also, I picked up on here that the SAM's video memory is sensibly >arranged. Can I take it that it therefore that it is a true linear frame >buffer in the same sense as a VBE2 (or even good old mode 13h) one is? I >take it one pixel is four bytes? There are four video modes; MODE 1 is exactly the same as the Spectrum. Mode 2 is similar, but the bitmap is laid out left to right - top to bottom. The attribute map starts at an offset of 8192 bytes, and is also composed of 8pixel wide, single pixel high units, in the same order. Mode 3 is 512 pixels * 192 lines, where each pixel is 2 bits, laid out left to right - top to bottom. Mode 4 is 256 pixels * 192 lines. each pixel is 4 bits, laid out left to right - top to bottom. Note that the sixteen colours are an indexed palette, which is changed by outputting a new value to the CLUT, 248, high byte is the index to change. Palette values are calculated: bit value 0 1*B 1 1*R 2 1*G 3 .5*all 4 2*B 5 2*R 6 2*G > I'm not really bothered about sound right now, but which port is that >on? Select a register by outputting to 511, and send the data to 255. I'm not going to tell you which register does what, it's far too complicated - look up the SAA1099 specs or buy a copy of the Sam Technical manual, it'll tell you everything you need to know. To be honest, there's not much point doing your own sound, when it is so much easier to let a package like E-Tracker (or better, ProTracker2) to play music for you... Hope that's enough info for you to be getting on with :) Andrew -- | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he +----------------+----------------ICQ:38645805-+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 14 01:19:06 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 01:06:58 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Keyboard membranes X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1023 Lines: 23 >Other than the membrane, what other part's failure would herald the end of >SAMs working life? I'm on about my four-and-a-halfth power supply, and my second Sam. The failure of my first Sam can be attributed mostly to the person who "fixed" my power supply the first time, who said he knew what he was doing. In fact he used the wrong sort of diode, so that particular Sam survived for about a year with 27V on the 12V line! That said, my current disk drive, ROM and RAM are all from the original board... and Ian's current keyboard comes from that box as well. The SAM seems quite sturdily built, really, unlike the SAM power supplies which seem to blow up whenever I'm abaout to finish doing something important. I made sure I've got two spares... Andrew -- | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he +----------------+----------------ICQ:38645805-+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Fri May 14 02:00:32 1999 Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 02:00:32 +0100 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Keyboard membranes Message-ID: <19990514020032.A22250@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Andrew Collier on Fri, May 14, 1999 at 01:06:58AM +0100 Status: RO Content-Length: 195 Lines: 6 On Fri, May 14, 1999 at 01:06:58AM +0100, Andrew Collier wrote: > and Ian's current keyboard comes from that box as well. Actually, only the membrane and the escape key does. :-) imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 14 12:27:37 1999 Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 12:23:08 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@red.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Help with : Writing my first (decent) SAM program . . . In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 319 Lines: 20 On Fri, 14 May 1999, Andrew Collier wrote: > > lmem: > in a,(vmpr) > ld (vmprs),a > and 31 ; don't fiddle with the MIDI bit > or 96 ; a mode 4 screen > out (hmpr),a Sorry about that, it was late at night and I must have been tired.... Obviously I meant: and 31 out (hmpr),a or 96 out (vmpr),a Andrew From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 14 14:35:30 1999 X-Authentication-Warning: scallop.dcs.warwick.ac.uk: csuan owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 14:32:02 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Walker To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: E-tracker Disk Image In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 272 Lines: 10 On Thu, 13 May 1999, Stuart Brady wrote: > I've just downloaded e-tracker, but I can't seem to get the image onto a > disk... would anyone have a sad or dsk that they could email to me, so > that I can try using sbk. Uh .. do you already own a copy of E-Tracker? Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 14 15:10:34 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851A84@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: E-tracker Disk Image Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 15:01:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 607 Lines: 21 I'm sure I saw somewhere sometime ago that you could download E-Tracker from someone's web page... I dunno.. I can't remember... > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Walker [SMTP:csuan@dcs.warwick.ac.uk] > Sent: Friday, May 14, 1999 2:32 PM > To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Subject: Re: E-tracker Disk Image > > On Thu, 13 May 1999, Stuart Brady wrote: > > > I've just downloaded e-tracker, but I can't seem to get the image onto a > > disk... would anyone have a sad or dsk that they could email to me, so > > that I can try using sbk. > > Uh .. do you already own a copy of E-Tracker? > > Paul > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 14 16:29:32 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851A87@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: Help with : Writing my first (decent) SAM program . . . Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 16:15:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 124 Lines: 6 >> and 31 ; don't fiddle with the MIDI bit Yeah.. You leave those MIDI bits alone! They haven't hurt anyone! :) J. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 14 16:56:17 1999 X-Authentication-Warning: scallop.dcs.warwick.ac.uk: csuan owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 16:53:47 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Walker To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: E-tracker Disk Image In-Reply-To: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851A84@mailhost.aculab.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 363 Lines: 11 On Fri, 14 May 1999, Justin Skists wrote: > I'm sure I saw somewhere sometime ago that you could download > E-Tracker from someone's web page... Yeah; just done a Yahoo search and found it on a .pl page (apparently hosted for ESI). Didn't realise they'd made it free, though. Or that they could, for that matter - weren't Fred supposed to be selling it? Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 14 17:04:58 1999 X-Authentication-Warning: scallop.dcs.warwick.ac.uk: csuan owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 16:59:06 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Walker To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: E-tracker Disk Image In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 272 Lines: 10 On Fri, 14 May 1999, Paul Walker wrote: > hosted for ESI). Didn't realise they'd made it free, though. Or that they > could, for that matter - weren't Fred supposed to be selling it? Ignore that bit; I've just got around to reading the legals bit. Naughty Colin. Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 14 17:33:23 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 17:00:09 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: E-tracker Disk Image X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1153 Lines: 29 >On Thu, 13 May 1999, Stuart Brady wrote: > >> I've just downloaded e-tracker, but I can't seem to get the image onto a >> disk... would anyone have a sad or dsk that they could email to me, so >> that I can try using sbk. > >Uh .. do you already own a copy of E-Tracker? Oh no, let's not start another hazy-area legal argument again... As I understand the situation, the contract between FRED and Mat of ESI concerning the sale of E-Tracker expired - Mat now distributes (an updated version) as freeware. At the time, there was some discussion on sam-users. Samsboss thought Mat wouldn't be allowed to do this, Colin MacDonald just wished Mat had discussed it first. Contracts being contracts, I think Mat is entirely within his rights - especially since at this stage, if anyone is going to spend money on a music-tracker program they'd be better off buying ProTracker2 anyway. Andrew -- | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he +----------------+----------------ICQ:38645805-+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 14 17:52:56 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <373B30F6.63B7785F@btinternet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 17:42:30 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Help with : Writing my first (decent) SAM program . . . X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1891 Lines: 43 At 9:27 pm +0100 13/5/99, Stuart Brady wrote: >What was the Kaleidoscope's display like? The Kaleidoscope was a bit pointless really. It incresed the Sam's palette range from 7-bit to 15-bit, but didn't increase the number of CLUT entries. ie. only sixteen colours on the screen at a time (modulo the coding techniques such as palette line, which only help in specific limited cases). > Oh, and did anyone get round >to selling a SAM Accelerator? No. Simon Cooke and Martin Rookyard has a working design, but unfortunately (due to a complete and total lack of support from the market-leading magazine editor, software publisher and hardware manufacturer at the time[1]) the accelerator never reached the market. Damn shame. More recently, the idea resurfaced for a while, in a project codenamed "SamSon", which involved collecting together every upgrade that anyone had designed in the past five years, lumping it together into one new box, and giving Bob Brenchley all the credit for the finished product. Unfortunately he involved himself in the technical discussions as well as the management, so it all went a bit pear-shaped. Apparently what the Sam really needed was a brand-new 32K external ROM, but even that hasn't managed to get itself built yet. Of course, a bad situation got worse when the new EMC regulations came into force... Andrew [1] First it was called impossible - the idea couldn't ever get off the drawing board. Then Simon took a working prototype to a Gloucester show... so the accelerator was branded unnecessary, Sam users would never want or need it - the software runs fast enough as it is. -- | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he +----------------+----------------ICQ:38645805-+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 14 19:24:22 1999 Message-ID: <000501be9e36$c1b77180$39c348c2@enterprise.net> From: "Chris Pile" To: References: <373B30F6.63B7785F@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: Help with : Writing my first (decent) SAM program . . . Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 19:20:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 467 Lines: 13 >If I page out > the ROM can I use the lower 32k for the screen and the higher 32k for > program . . . Yes. Andrew's already mentioned IM-1 interrupts, but you'll also need to stick your screen (assuming a mode-4 screen) in the top 32k if you want to retain use of the NMI button. If you're not worried about NMI and are planning on using IM-2 (or running DI) then it's faster to calculate screen pixel addresses for a mode-4 screen based at address zero. Chris. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 14 19:31:11 1999 Message-ID: <373C6A2D.822C35C8@btinternet.com> Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 19:23:41 +0100 From: Thomas Harte X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.2 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Help with : Writing my first (decent) SAM program . . . References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1444 Lines: 35 > Erm... No. You probably meant to say four /bits/ (a nibble). Four bytes > is 32 bits per pixel? Not likely, on a SAM. The Kaleidoscope wasn't too > bad, IIRC... But no programs supported it. Yeah, four bits, absolutely! It was late. And as for the Kaleidoscope, didn't the Newsdisk carry a demo? Besides, as far as I recall the SAM couldn't even scroll a page of regular graphics, what would a single handed z80 have been able to do with the 16bit colour (or whatever it was) of the Kaleidoscope? Andrew Collier wrote: > The Sam's 512K RAM is arranged in 32 pages of 16K each. The ROM comes in > two 16K sections, which go in sections A and D. As far as BASIC is > concerned, 16384 is the start of RAM page 0. Actually I only have a 256k SAM (it is a genuine MGT one if that counts for anthing though), is it correct to assume that pages 14&15 start in sections C&D? Also, slightly less related, what are the pros and cons of developing in SIM Coupe? I have no method to connect my SAM to a monitor - so what is the compatibility like as far as simple uses such as mine will be? > >If I page out > >the ROM can I use the lower 32k for the screen and the higher 32k for > >program . . . > > Yes indeed, though I normally do it the other way round to catch mode 1 > interrupts. 'mode 1 interrupts' - is there no 50Hz interrupt in other graphics modes? And, on a slight aside, is it actually 50Hz now, or still about 50.8? -Thomas From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 14 20:10:08 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <373C6A2D.822C35C8@btinternet.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 20:07:22 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Help with : Writing my first (decent) SAM program . . . X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 3342 Lines: 80 >> Erm... No. You probably meant to say four /bits/ (a nibble). Four bytes >> is 32 bits per pixel? Not likely, on a SAM. The Kaleidoscope wasn't too >> bad, IIRC... But no programs supported it. > > Yeah, four bits, absolutely! It was late. And as for the Kaleidoscope, >didn't the Newsdisk carry a demo? Besides, as far as I recall the SAM >couldn't even scroll a page of regular graphics, what would a single >handed z80 have been able to do with the 16bit colour (or whatever it >was) of the Kaleidoscope? The Kaleidoscope didn't increase the number of CLUT entries, or the resolution. There was still four bits per pixel, so there's no extra bitmap data to shift round. >Andrew Collier wrote: >> The Sam's 512K RAM is arranged in 32 pages of 16K each. The ROM comes in >> two 16K sections, which go in sections A and D. As far as BASIC is >> concerned, 16384 is the start of RAM page 0. > > Actually I only have a 256k SAM (it is a genuine MGT one if that counts >for anthing though), is it correct to assume that pages 14&15 start in >sections C&D? That depends what you're trying to achieve.... The ROM normally outputs 31 to LMPR, which means that section A contains ROM0, and section B contains RAM page 0 which is where the system variables and stack are held. It will move HMPR around as appropriate, to access BASIC programs, the screen or machine code routines etc. If you CALL a machine code routine from BASIC, it will normally be paged into section C (except when the routine is located in pages 0 or 2, which get called in sections B and D.) The ROM keeps the default screen in pages 14 and 15 on a 256K Sam. The DOS would load into page 13. > Also, slightly less related, what are the pros and cons of developing >in SIM Coupe? I have no method to connect my SAM to a monitor - so what >is the compatibility like as far as simple uses such as mine will be? Unless you start fiddling about with complex, demanding and exact timing issues, you're unlikely to have a problem. >> >If I page out >> >the ROM can I use the lower 32k for the screen and the higher 32k for >> >program . . . >> >> Yes indeed, though I normally do it the other way round to catch mode 1 >> interrupts. > > 'mode 1 interrupts' - is there no 50Hz interrupt in other graphics >modes? Mode 1 interrupts - I'm referring to processor interrupt mode 1, where the effect of an interrupt is to call 56 dec. This is as opposed to processor Interrupt Mode 2, which you may have already used on the Spectrum, which involves setting the I register to the high byte of a table of addresses etc etc. I don't use IM2 very often. Rest assured, the 50Hz frame interrupt occurs properly in all graphics modes. > And, on a slight aside, is it actually 50Hz now, or still about >50.8? Actually, it's 50.0801282051... or something like that. Normally there are 625 scan lines in exactly 1/25 of a second. The SAM only displays 312 scan lines per frame, so (assuming that one scan line takes the same length of time in each case) then it should take 0.019968 seconds to display one frame. Andrew -- | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he +----------------+----------------ICQ:38645805-+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 14 21:46:42 1999 From: "Robert van der Veeke" To: Subject: Re: Help with : Writing my first (decent) SAM program . . . Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 22:38:47 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19990514204529.F15ED3AEE@maillist.kabelfoon.nl> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 448 Lines: 15 > Van: Andrew Collier > Aan: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Onderwerp: Re: Help with : Writing my first (decent) SAM program . . . > Datum: vrijdag, mei 14, 1999 6:42 > Of course, a bad situation got worse when the new EMC regulations came into > force... Err. i am missing a point here, but what are those EMC regulations? -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Currently listening to : The Phantom Menace OST From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 14 22:01:45 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19990514204529.F15ED3AEE@maillist.kabelfoon.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 21:53:10 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Help with : Writing my first (decent) SAM program . . . X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 591 Lines: 19 >> Of course, a bad situation got worse when the new EMC regulations came >into >> force... > >Err. i am missing a point here, but what are those EMC regulations? Electro-Magnetic Compliance. Basically you're not allowed to sell any electic items unless they have taken, and passed, a very expensive testing procedure. Andrew -- | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he +----------------+----------------ICQ:38645805-+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 14 22:47:08 1999 From: "Robert van der Veeke" To: Subject: Re: Help with : Writing my first (decent) SAM program . . . Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 23:38:44 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19990514214525.98F3D3B33@maillist.kabelfoon.nl> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 654 Lines: 21 > Van: Andrew Collier > Aan: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Onderwerp: Re: Help with : Writing my first (decent) SAM program . . . > Datum: vrijdag, mei 14, 1999 10:53 > >Err. i am missing a point here, but what are those EMC regulations? > > Electro-Magnetic Compliance. > > Basically you're not allowed to sell any electic items unless they have > taken, and passed, a very expensive testing procedure. Aha, another stupid ruling to frustate small companies, clearing the way for big ones who can afford such testing. Thanks -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Currently listening to : The Phantom Menace OST From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat May 15 02:02:08 1999 Message-ID: <01f501bd1e30$00c7cec0$975008c3@persona> From: "David L" To: Subject: Re: Help with : Writing my first (decent) SAM program . . . Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 01:26:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 747 Lines: 23 -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Harte To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: 14 May 1999 18:29 Subject: Re: Help with : Writing my first (decent) SAM program . . . > Also, slightly less related, what are the pros and cons of developing >in SIM Coupe? I have no method to connect my SAM to a monitor - so what >is the compatibility like as far as simple uses such as mine will be? Ifyou've got a PC - the easiest solution is to get a PC TV card and use the REAL machine via the PC monitor... assuming you've got a PC that is ;) And you can still watch telly as well ;) (Oh - and if u want one - mail me at work for more details ;) David Work: David@scan.co.uk Home: Daveykins@theoffice.net From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat May 15 11:26:25 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01f501bd1e30$00c7cec0$975008c3@persona> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 11:23:38 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Help with : Writing my first (decent) SAM program . . . X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 836 Lines: 24 At 2:26 am +0100 11/1/98, David L wrote: November 1998? Get it sorted David.... >Ifyou've got a PC - the easiest solution is to get a PC TV card and use the >REAL machine via the PC monitor... assuming you've got a PC that is ;) Have you tested this solution? In my experience (two cards - one Mac, one PC) the picture gets so mangled that text becomes impossible to read, for example. I don't think these things generally cope very well with unstandard signals. >(Oh - and if u want one - mail me at work for more details ;) David Ledbury, the walking advert. Andrew -- | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he +----------------+----------------ICQ:38645805-+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun May 16 15:25:25 1999 Message-ID: <006501bd1f69$2f8def20$8c5008c3@persona> From: "David L" To: Subject: Re: Help with : Writing my first (decent) SAM program . . . Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:48:44 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 368 Lines: 19 -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Collier To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: 15 May 1999 10:32 Subject: Re: Help with : Writing my first (decent) SAM program . . . >November 1998? Get it sorted David.... /me shrugs Hey ho - I'll get round to it one of these days... > >David Ledbury, the walking advert. And y not? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun May 16 16:59:49 1999 Message-ID: <000001be9fb4$d9cbe2e0$993b883e@sadsnail> From: "Tim" To: References: Subject: Re: Keyboard membranes Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 09:58:40 +0100 Organization: Sad Snail Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 572 Lines: 14 > Other than the membrane, what other part's failure would herald the end of > SAMs working life? I bought my Sam in Feb 1990 - very early on one of the chips went funny so the picture occasionally went black and white. I got this replaced shortly after SamCo appeared and I'd got my v3 Rom. Since then I've had no trouble whatsoever. Hmm, a slight lie, my disk drive was playing up for a while, but taking it out and plugging it back in again eventually seemed to solve that problem, it's right as rain again now. Perhaps I've just been extremely lucky..... ....@/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun May 16 17:15:29 1999 Message-ID: <373EEE4B.39ED0A5@btinternet.com> Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 17:11:55 +0100 From: Thomas Harte X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Keyboard membranes References: <000001be9fb4$d9cbe2e0$993b883e@sadsnail> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 331 Lines: 8 > I bought my Sam in Feb 1990 - very early on one of the chips went funny so > the picture occasionally went black and white. I got this replaced shortly > after SamCo appeared and I'd got my v3 Rom. Mine still does that black & white thing, and I had it replaced once, back in the day. Should this worry me greatly? -Thomas From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun May 16 17:26:42 1999 From: "Si Owen" To: Subject: RE: Help with : Writing my first (decent) SAM program . . . Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 17:18:32 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <01f501bd1e30$00c7cec0$975008c3@persona> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 609 Lines: 15 David L wrote: > If you've got a PC - the easiest solution is to get a PC TV card > and use the REAL machine via the PC monitor... assuming you've got > a PC that is ;) Is your picture clear enough? I borrowed a Haupage TV card but couldn't get a decent picture, as tho the signal wasn't strong enough. It was when I was fiddling with the controls in my PSU that I broke something, which is why my normal TV picture is streaky and blurred now! The normal TV picture was great on it... btw Dave, any idea what's happened to my Persona order? It's been about a month and I've still not heard a thing! Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 17 09:33:39 1999 From: "David Laundon" To: Subject: RE: Help with : Writing my first (decent) SAM program . . . Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 09:05:52 +0100 Message-ID: <000001bea03c$14e2ea90$0304a8c0@eccles.catalyst> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <01f501bd1e30$00c7cec0$975008c3@persona> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal X-Server: VPOP3 V1.3.0 - Registered to: Steven J. Jeffery X-Organisation: Catalyst Computer Systems Ltd. X-Web: Visit our Web Page at http://www.catalyst-uk.com X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 387 Lines: 12 >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no [mailto:owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no]On >Behalf Of David L >Sent: 11 January 1998 01:27 I think your system date is slightly wrong there David. :) >To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >Subject: Re: Help with : Writing my first (decent) SAM program . . . > David L (erm, the other one). (That's Laundon in case anyone's forgotten.) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 17 10:27:15 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851A8C@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: Help with : Writing my first (decent) SAM program . . . Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 10:28:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 662 Lines: 18 >>Ifyou've got a PC - the easiest solution is to get a PC TV card and use the >>REAL machine via the PC monitor... assuming you've got a PC that is ;) > >Have you tested this solution? In my experience (two cards - one Mac, one >PC) the picture gets so mangled that text becomes impossible to read, for >example. I don't think these things generally cope very well with >unstandard signals. Oh great, the plan was to buy a PC (from Dave - bugger, I thought I'd never fall down to advertising) with the TV card and replace my TV completely - (shame I can't get rid of the TV License aswell) I'm hoping the newer TV cards can cope with SAM's screen... Justin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 18 18:29:43 1999 Message-ID: <000001bea153$8c783c00$eb6a883e@sadsnail> From: "Tim" To: References: <000001be9fb4$d9cbe2e0$993b883e@sadsnail> <373EEE4B.39ED0A5@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: Keyboard membranes Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 18:59:49 +0100 Organization: Sad Snail Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 850 Lines: 24 > Mine still does that black & white thing, and I had it replaced once, > back in the day. Should this worry me greatly? No idea if it should. If you don't mind pretending to be a hardware guru then you might be interested in the following: This information was given to me when I was having problems with mine, and as such is around 9 years old, and my memory may be incorrect. I take no responsibilty for any damage to your sam or anything else resulting from trying it ;-) Just behind the connector for the left hand disk drive is a yellow brass variable capacitor. If you adjust this with an ickle phillips screwdriver, it may fix your problem. That's copied out of my notebook from the time (told to me over the phone by someone at PBT). This occasionally worked for me (but since it was an IC problem, sometimes didn't). HTH, Tim From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Wed May 19 15:44:59 1999 Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 15:44:59 +0100 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Keyboard membranes Message-ID: <19990519154459.E3915@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no References: <000001be9fb4$d9cbe2e0$993b883e@sadsnail> <373EEE4B.39ED0A5@btinternet.com> <000001bea153$8c783c00$eb6a883e@sadsnail> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <000001bea153$8c783c00$eb6a883e@sadsnail>; from Tim on Mon, May 17, 1999 at 06:59:49PM +0100 Status: RO Content-Length: 379 Lines: 9 On Mon, May 17, 1999 at 06:59:49PM +0100, Tim wrote: > Just behind the connector for the left hand disk drive is a yellow brass > variable capacitor. If you adjust this with an ickle phillips screwdriver, > it may fix your problem. This worked for me for a while and then it went completely into monochrome. Then I coloured my Sam in by replacing the 4.433619MHz crystal. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 19 20:49:22 1999 From: "Maria Rookyard" To: "SAM Users Mailing List" Subject: Re: Not SAM stuff Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 20:45:28 +0100 Message-ID: <01bea230$2568aee0$LocalHost@register> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 853 Lines: 33 Well, whatever the problem was, it seems to have sorted itself out again now. Things were c**p for another couple of days but then I've had no bother for the last week or so. Still none the wiser as to what was causing it though... Maria. From: Paul Walker Date: 10 May 1999 02:48 >On Sat, 8 May 1999, Maria Rookyard wrote: > >> My email's started playing up - when I "send and receive", more often than >> not it isn't sending things although it's downloading messages o.k. >> Generally if I try again straight after, it will send them then (but not >> always). > >Anything more precise? For example, does it only play up when you have >mail to send and nothing to download? > >Might also be worth checking if your ISP has changed their mail software >recently, although that's something of a long shot. > >Paul > > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 20 14:39:23 1999 Message-Id: <002501bea2c3$3188e490$6651c29e@inf.upol.cz> From: "Aley Keprt" To: "Sam Users" , "Stephen McGreal" References: <19990519190606.52670.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Problems w/SimCoupe 0.782a Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 15:18:03 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 728 Lines: 18 If you get error "No DPMI" when running SimCoupe from DOS, it means that you don't have DPMI server. To solve this problem, search through your hard drive for the file CWSDPMI.EXE. Alternatively you can use ANY OTHER DPMI server, e.g. DPMS.EXE by Novell. Windows 95/98 contains its own DPMI server, so you don't need cwsdpmi. If you have problems in Windows NT, please let me know. I haven't tested SimCoupe on NT machines. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Aley [eili] Keprt - student, programmer (multimedia soft. etc.) phone: +420-68-538 70 35 e-mail: AleyKeprt@bigfoot.com *** http://get.to/aley ---------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 20 17:23:25 1999 Message-ID: <003601bea2dc$e71b8d80$afc348c2@enterprise.net> From: "Chris Pile" To: "Sam Users Group" Subject: SAM mouse & SimCoupe Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 17:22:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 106 Lines: 4 Can anyone tell me the accuracy of SimCoupe's mouse emulation with regards to a *real* SAM mouse? Chris. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun May 23 14:49:07 1999 From: davgw@clara.co.uk (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Manual Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 13:46:24 GMT Message-ID: <374801e6.12479817@relay.clara.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 114 Lines: 6 Just wondering. Did anyone ever bother to OCR the standard SAM manual (the one that Bob said he'd allow)? Dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun May 23 23:14:57 1999 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 23:10:14 +0100 To: Sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Ian Dalziel Subject: Re: Manual References: <374801e6.12479817@relay.clara.net> In-Reply-To: <374801e6.12479817@relay.clara.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 X-Orcpt: rfc822;Sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 455 Lines: 12 In article <374801e6.12479817@relay.clara.net>, Dave Whitmore writes > >Just wondering. Did anyone ever bother to OCR the standard SAM manual >(the one that Bob said he'd allow)? Er, well, in principle I'm doing it - there's a Sam manual sitting next to my scanner, and I've thrown the spiral binder away - I've been busy lately, and the hamster isn't looking well - Look, I'm going to do it, get off my back, OK? ... -- Ian Dalziel From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun May 23 23:31:40 1999 From: PGLOVER43@aol.com Message-ID: <291aa714.2479db4d@aol.com> Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 18:29:33 EDT Subject: Re: Manual To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 134 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 597 Lines: 13 It's good to hear that Ian Dalziel is currently trying to scan in the SAM manual, given the time, inclination and motivation. (I could scan in some bits from my manual, but I don't want to damage it.) Once it's been converted to a nice big text file, it may allow people to submit notes that could expand and improve on the original. It'll be worth staying with the Sam user group just to obtain such notes, as the original manual left a lot of room for improvement and detailed explanations. Would any of the regular Sam users consider doing annotations for such a manual? - Phil Glover From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 24 00:05:15 1999 Message-ID: <2YXMBDA5jIS3EwTP@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 00:02:17 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: Manual References: <291aa714.2479db4d@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <291aa714.2479db4d@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 4.01 <8OHKkEUpoELRXEckwUjJGSM0AF> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 891 Lines: 21 In message <291aa714.2479db4d@aol.com>, PGLOVER43@aol.com writes >It's good to hear that Ian Dalziel is currently trying to scan in the SAM >manual, given the time, inclination and motivation. (I could scan in some >bits from my manual, but I don't want to damage it.) > >Once it's been converted to a nice big text file, it may allow people to >submit notes that could expand and improve on the original. It'll be worth >staying with the Sam user group just to obtain such notes, as the original >manual left a lot of room for improvement and detailed explanations. I'll be happy to HTML-ise it and host it on my page, once it's done. Hell, if Ian gets bored of doing it, I'll gladly take over the task... Graham Goring -- /====================================\ | Ber-Limey! There's not even enough | |room to swing a cat in this sodding-| \=========== ICQ: 5333545 ===========/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 24 20:39:19 1999 From: davgw@clara.co.uk (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Manual Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 19:38:01 GMT Message-ID: <3749a9cb.4608059@relay.clara.net> References: <374801e6.12479817@relay.clara.net> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 621 Lines: 21 On Sun, 23 May 1999 23:10:14 +0100 Mon, 24 May 99 20:31:26 BST, Ian Dalziel wrote: >>Just wondering. Did anyone ever bother to OCR the standard SAM manual >>(the one that Bob said he'd allow)? > >Er, well, in principle I'm doing it - there's a Sam manual sitting next >to my scanner, and I've thrown the spiral binder away - I've been busy >lately, and the hamster isn't looking well - Look, I'm going to do it, >get off my back, OK? ... *OK!* I've got a spare manual here that I could rip up, but if you insist... And make sure you do all the funky liddle cartoons as well. OK! :) Dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 24 21:24:06 1999 Message-ID: <3749B4A2.566086A@btinternet.com> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 21:20:50 +0100 From: Thomas Harte X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Manual References: <374801e6.12479817@relay.clara.net> <3749a9cb.4608059@relay.clara.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 164 Lines: 6 > I've got a spare manual here that I could rip up, but if you insist... If you've got a spare manual, I don't suppose you feel like sending it to me? -Thomas From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 25 21:12:59 1999 Message-ID: <7Tt7RMAOMwS3Ewzt@wholehog.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 21:07:42 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Stuart Brady Subject: Re: Manual In-Reply-To: <2YXMBDA5jIS3EwTP@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 591 Lines: 14 On Mon, 24 May 1999, Graham Goring wrote: >I'll be happy to HTML-ise it and host it on my page, once it's done. >Hell, if Ian gets bored of doing it, I'll gladly take over the task... Make sure it's clean html, then. Plain and simple, too - no background images (certainly not gif) and colours and all of that... I don't really want the cartoons, to be honest. And no rubbish frames or anything. It'd be a good idea to have a version with seperate files for chapters, and an all-in-one-page version. Btw, is there an html viewer (even a quick port of lynx) for the SAM? -- Stuart Brady From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 25 21:25:23 1999 Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 21:23:38 +0100 (BST) From: Dave Hooper To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Manual In-Reply-To: <7Tt7RMAOMwS3Ewzt@wholehog.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 400 Lines: 13 On Tue, 25 May 1999, Stuart Brady wrote: > Make sure it's clean html, then. Plain and simple, too - no background > images (certainly not gif) and colours and all of that... I don't really > want the cartoons, to be honest. And no rubbish frames or anything. It'd > be a good idea to have a version with seperate files for chapters, and > an all-in-one-page version. No! Keep the cartoons! dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue May 25 21:35:24 1999 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 21:24:22 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: Manual References: <2YXMBDA5jIS3EwTP@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk> <7Tt7RMAOMwS3Ewzt@wholehog.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7Tt7RMAOMwS3Ewzt@wholehog.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 4.01 <8OHKkEUpoELRXEckwUjJGSM0AF> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 964 Lines: 26 In message <7Tt7RMAOMwS3Ewzt@wholehog.demon.co.uk>, Stuart Brady writes >On Mon, 24 May 1999, Graham Goring wrote: > >>I'll be happy to HTML-ise it and host it on my page, once it's done. >>Hell, if Ian gets bored of doing it, I'll gladly take over the task... > >Make sure it's clean html, then. Plain and simple, too - no background >images (certainly not gif) and colours and all of that... I don't really >want the cartoons, to be honest. And no rubbish frames or anything. It'd >be a good idea to have a version with seperate files for chapters, and >an all-in-one-page version. > >Btw, is there an html viewer (even a quick port of lynx) for the SAM? Of course it'd be clean HTML, but I reckon on a white background as opposed to the dreary grey... Graham Goring -- /====================================\ | Ber-Limey! There's not even enough | |room to swing a cat in this sodding-| \=========== ICQ: 5333545 ===========/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 26 09:26:37 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851AB1@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: Manual Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 09:29:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 511 Lines: 15 > From: Dave Hooper [SMTP:ddh@dcs.ed.ac.uk] > >On Tue, 25 May 1999, Stuart Brady wrote: > >> Make sure it's clean html, then. Plain and simple, too - no background >> images (certainly not gif) and colours and all of that... I don't really >> want the cartoons, to be honest. And no rubbish frames or anything. It'd >> be a good idea to have a version with seperate files for chapters, and >> an all-in-one-page version. > >No! Keep the cartoons! We demand the cute robot and the quotes!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Justin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 26 09:37:35 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851AB2@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: Manual Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 09:35:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 502 Lines: 14 > >On Tue, 25 May 1999, Stuart Brady wrote: > > > >> Make sure it's clean html, then. Plain and simple, too - no background > >> images (certainly not gif) and colours and all of that... I don't > really > >> want the cartoons, to be honest. And no rubbish frames or anything. > It'd > >> be a good idea to have a version with seperate files for chapters, and > >> an all-in-one-page version. > Seriously, isn't there a few diagrams that will need to be included? Won't they need to be as gifs? Jut. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 26 14:17:45 1999 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 13:24:06 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: Manual References: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851AB2@mailhost.aculab.com> In-Reply-To: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851AB2@mailhost.aculab.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 4.01 <8OHKkEUpoELRXEckwUjJGSM0AF> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id OAA12709 Status: RO Content-Length: 936 Lines: 26 In message <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851AB2@mailhost.aculab.com>, Justin Skists writes >> >On Tue, 25 May 1999, Stuart Brady wrote: >> > >> >> Make sure it's clean html, then. Plain and simple, too - no background >> >> images (certainly not gif) and colours and all of that... I don't >> really >> >> want the cartoons, to be honest. And no rubbish frames or anything. >> It'd >> >> be a good idea to have a version with seperate files for chapters, and >> >> an all-in-one-page version. >> >Seriously, isn't there a few diagrams that will need to be >included? Won't they need to be as gifs? I should co-co. Like the picture of that back of the SAM Coupé which lists what you can plug into it. Lovely 2-colour GIFs, yes. Graham Goring -- /====================================\ | Ber-Limey! There's not even enough | |room to swing a cat in this sodding-| \=========== ICQ: 5333545 ===========/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed May 26 21:23:53 1999 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 21:20:16 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Stuart Brady Subject: Re: Manual In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1092 Lines: 24 On Tue, 25 May 1999, Graham Goring wrote: >Of course it'd be clean HTML, but I reckon on a white background as >opposed to the dreary grey... DREARY GREY? Configure your browser if you hate the colour. Most browsers let you change the background colour - it should only take ten seconds. Netscape Navigator *used* to have a default backgound *image*, but they removed that feature for some reason. The whole point of HTML was that it could be viewed by any browser, and that the user chose how it looked. People seem to want different settings for each site, but there's no reason why that's not possible - if settings haven't been chosen for a site, the browser could use your default options, until you click on a little button in the lower right corner, which sets your colours for the site to the site's default, for example. HTML was doing fairly well until Microsoft and Netscape screwed it up - as soon as you get commercial interest, you get splits in the standard. Netscape added some screwey frames support, and Microsoft added scrolling text and fonts. -- Stuart Brady From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 27 01:58:04 1999 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 01:33:56 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: Manual References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 4.01 <8OHKkEUpoELRXEckwUjJGSM0AF> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1012 Lines: 29 In message , Stuart Brady writes >On Tue, 25 May 1999, Graham Goring wrote: > >>Of course it'd be clean HTML, but I reckon on a white background as >>opposed to the dreary grey... > >DREARY GREY? Configure your browser if you hate the colour. Most >browsers let you change the background colour - it should only take ten >seconds. Netscape Navigator *used* to have a default backgound *image*, >but they removed that feature for some reason. Background image? Bonkers! >HTML was doing fairly well until Microsoft and Netscape screwed it up - >as soon as you get commercial interest, you get splits in the standard. >Netscape added some screwey frames support, and Microsoft added >scrolling text and fonts. I remember when this was all fields, y'know. ;) Graham Goring -- /====================================\ | Ber-Limey! There's not even enough | |room to swing a cat in this sodding-| \=========== ICQ: 5333545 ===========/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 27 06:50:05 1999 From: Frode Tenneboe Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 07:48:28 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905270548.HAA29510@asmal.edh.ericsson.se> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: tidying the list X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 285 Lines: 12 Due to failure of delivery I have removed: peterharkess@nuearth.purplenet.co.uk I have also replaced A with B for the following two individuals: keprta@alpha.upol.cz - keprta@alpha.inf.upol.cz simon@getwired.com - spectecjr@hotmail.com Please let me know of any problems. -Frode From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 27 09:16:49 1999 From: "Robert van der Veeke" To: Subject: Re: Manual Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 10:12:16 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19990527081443.6C39F3A9F@maillist.kabelfoon.nl> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 636 Lines: 17 > Van: Stuart Brady > Aan: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Onderwerp: Re: Manual > Datum: woensdag, mei 26, 1999 10:20 > HTML was doing fairly well until Microsoft and Netscape screwed it up - > as soon as you get commercial interest, you get splits in the standard. > Netscape added some screwey frames support, and Microsoft added > scrolling text and fonts. That is why i use Opera :) If your page looks good on opera than you can be quite sure that both Netrape and Exploder will screw things up. -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Currently listening to : The Phantom Menace OST From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 27 11:13:39 1999 From: "Si Owen" To: Subject: Persona Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 11:04:12 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <19990527081443.6C39F3A9F@maillist.kabelfoon.nl> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 250 Lines: 6 Has anyone had any dealings with Persona in the last couple of months? I ordered some software 6 weeks ago and still haven't received anything. I've also tried mailing david@persona.clara.net, but haven't heard anything back from there either. Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 27 11:13:40 1999 X-Authentication-Warning: prawn.dcs.warwick.ac.uk: csuan owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 11:04:58 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Walker To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Manual In-Reply-To: <19990527081443.6C39F3A9F@maillist.kabelfoon.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 263 Lines: 9 On Thu, 27 May 1999, Robert van der Veeke wrote: > That is why i use Opera :) If your page looks good on opera than you can be > quite sure that both Netrape and Exploder will screw things up. Yes, but using Opera is something akin to self-flagellation. Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 27 11:39:46 1999 From: "Robert van der Veeke" To: Subject: Re: Manual Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 12:28:23 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19990527103036.175F73AB6@maillist.kabelfoon.nl> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1064 Lines: 29 > Van: Paul Walker > Aan: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Onderwerp: Re: Manual > Datum: donderdag, mei 27, 1999 12:04 > Yes, but using Opera is something akin to self-flagellation. Mmmmmhh ... ^_^ But seriously, I love those buttons wich switch colors to standard ones and remove backgrounds. Or with one click you switch off all the images, quite usefull when someone has more than 750k worth of pictures on his frontpage. Opera is a small, rather fast and simple browser and nothing more, that is what i like about it. To move back on a sort of Sam related topic, Martijn has finished another version of his Spectrum emulator (you know harddisc, CD-rom etc.), and has made a Atom-compatible version of Stefan Drissens mod-player wich i am currently testing. And we started somehow working on a rather naughty demo :) I should put those on my soon (that could take another month or two) to be announced new website, really :) -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Currently listening to : The Phantom Menace OST From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 27 12:48:00 1999 Message-ID: <001101bea836$4da7de60$88c448c2@enterprise.net> From: "Chris Pile" To: References: Subject: Re: Persona Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 12:44:33 +0100 Organization: The Aces-High Flying Circus MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 373 Lines: 10 > Has anyone had any dealings with Persona in the last couple of months? I > ordered some software 6 weeks ago and still haven't received anything. I've > also tried mailing david@persona.clara.net, but haven't heard anything back > from there either. Try daveykins@theoffice.net or persona@gofree.co.uk One of these (usually the first one) should reach him... Chris. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 27 17:21:20 1999 Message-Id: <002401bea858$d7a62190$6951c29e@inf.upol.cz> From: "Aley Keprt" To: "Sam Users" Subject: The Lyra III doesn't work Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 17:51:53 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 484 Lines: 15 The Lyra III from NVG doesn't work. Can somebody put there a working version? The problem is that lyra3.dsk.gz file is either not a GZip file or contains neither DSK nor Tar file. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Aley [eili] Keprt - student, programmer (multimedia soft. etc.) phone: +420-68-538 70 35 e-mail: AleyKeprt@bigfoot.com *** http://get.to/aley ---------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 27 17:44:54 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002401bea858$d7a62190$6951c29e@inf.upol.cz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 17:41:24 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: The Lyra III doesn't work X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 765 Lines: 23 >The Lyra III from NVG doesn't work. > >Can somebody put there a working version? > >The problem is that lyra3.dsk.gz file is >either not a GZip file >or contains neither DSK nor Tar file. Soory about that, it looks like macgzip burped[1] when I uploaded the original file... I'll put a new copy in the incoming directory. Andrew [1] It includes a short header before the file, with filetype/resource data in it, which in incompatible with anything except MacOS. I keep telling it not to do that.... -- | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he +----------------+----------------ICQ:38645805-+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 27 19:01:07 1999 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 18:44:41 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Stuart Brady Subject: Re: Manual In-Reply-To: <19990527081443.6C39F3A9F@maillist.kabelfoon.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 492 Lines: 11 On Thu, 27 May 1999, Robert van der Veeke wrote: >That is why i use Opera :) If your page looks good on opera than you can be >quite sure that both Netrape and Exploder will screw things up. I really want a free browser, written by people who care about it's quality, instead of staying one step ahead of the competition. It's just sad when you can't even view the W3C's site without having to enable "override document colours" in your web browser. W3C is truly pathetic. -- Stuart Brady From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 27 19:37:42 1999 Message-ID: <374D9039.8D998768@btinternet.com> Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 19:34:33 +0100 From: Thomas Harte X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Persona References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 365 Lines: 9 > Has anyone had any dealings with Persona in the last couple of months? I > ordered some software 6 weeks ago and still haven't received anything. I've > also tried mailing david@persona.clara.net, but haven't heard anything back > from there either. He has definitely been about. You know, randomly deciding people on c.s.s. are pirates and so on. -Thomas From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 27 19:58:21 1999 Message-ID: <374D950D.E07FF58@btinternet.com> Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 19:55:09 +0100 From: Thomas Harte X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Manual References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 466 Lines: 10 > I really want a free browser, written by people who care about it's > quality, instead of staying one step ahead of the competition. It's just > sad when you can't even view the W3C's site without having to enable > "override document colours" in your web browser. W3C is truly pathetic. Tried any mozilla milestones? They are surprisingly good. Significantly more memory friendly that Netscape 4.5. Looks like 5.0 will be a quite good piece of work. -Thomas From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 27 20:11:39 1999 From: davgw@clara.co.uk (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Manual Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 18:10:01 GMT Message-ID: <374d5f96.5259532@relay.clara.net> References: <374801e6.12479817@relay.clara.net> <3749a9cb.4608059@relay.clara.net> <3749B4A2.566086A@btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: <3749B4A2.566086A@btinternet.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 365 Lines: 13 On Mon, 24 May 1999 21:20:50 +0100 Tue, 25 May 99 18:47:01 BST, Thomas Harte wrote: >> I've got a spare manual here that I could rip up, but if you insist... > > If you've got a spare manual, I don't suppose you feel like sending it >to me? Unfortunately, no. :) BTW, if anyone feels like sending me a nice new 21 inch monitor... Dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 27 20:16:58 1999 Message-ID: <374D98F9.DB7D868E@btinternet.com> Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 20:11:53 +0100 From: Thomas Harte X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Manual References: <374801e6.12479817@relay.clara.net> <3749a9cb.4608059@relay.clara.net> <3749B4A2.566086A@btinternet.com> <374d5f96.5259532@relay.clara.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 147 Lines: 5 > BTW, if anyone feels like sending me a nice new 21 inch monitor... Well I had one spare, but I was sort of bored so I ripped it up! -Thomas From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 27 20:21:07 1999 Message-ID: <374D9A7B.58D12B83@btinternet.com> Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 20:18:19 +0100 From: Thomas Harte X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SAM Mailing List Subject: Getting those encrypted games in a SIM Coupe-able format Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 777 Lines: 17 Hi, My brand new copy of SAM Elite is sitting mostly unplayed due to the continuing deterioration of my SAM power supply and so on. The disk uses some crazy format, so neither samdisk (the useless gives up on bad sectors or the DJGPP does all sectors but crashes in dos boxes versions) type program will convert it. It has been brought to my attention that such games can be converted for .dsk-able use, so I am wondering if anyone has SAM Elite (just to make entirely clear : the game, not the silly cut down computer) as a usable .dsk and is willing to send it to me? I can take a picture of the box and disk next to the date on a newspaper or something and scan that to prove I own it if they want. I'm really not a pirate. No matter what David Ledbury says! -Thomas From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 27 20:32:12 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <374D9A7B.58D12B83@btinternet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 20:23:52 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Getting those encrypted games in a SIM Coupe-able format X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 626 Lines: 16 > It has been brought to my attention that such games can be converted >for .dsk-able use, so I am wondering if anyone has SAM Elite (just to >make entirely clear : the game, not the silly cut down computer) as a >usable .dsk and is willing to send it to me? Or you could download a copy of the spectrum 48k version, which is basically the same thing.... Andrew -- | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he +----------------+----------------ICQ:38645805-+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 27 20:39:14 1999 Message-ID: <19990527193154.48972.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.70] From: "Simon Cooke" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Manual Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 12:31:54 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 632 Lines: 18 >On Thu, 27 May 1999, Robert van der Veeke wrote: > > >That is why i use Opera :) If your page looks good on opera than you can >be > >quite sure that both Netrape and Exploder will screw things up. > >I really want a free browser, written by people who care about it's >quality, instead of staying one step ahead of the competition. It's just >sad when you can't even view the W3C's site without having to enable >"override document colours" in your web browser. W3C is truly pathetic. Try IE5. Si _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 27 20:39:16 1999 Message-ID: <19990527193435.49333.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.70] From: "Simon Cooke" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Manual Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 12:34:35 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1031 Lines: 26 >From: "Robert van der Veeke" > > > HTML was doing fairly well until Microsoft and Netscape screwed it up - > > as soon as you get commercial interest, you get splits in the standard. > > Netscape added some screwey frames support, and Microsoft added > > scrolling text and fonts. We also added XML, XSL and CSS. To be completely accurate, we invented them and gave them to the W3C as an open spec. So, please, don't lump us in with the Other Browser. At least we've publicly apologized for the MARQUEE tag. Netscape haven't for BLINK, CENTER, LAYER, etc etc etc. They have a bastardized version of java in their VM - even much more so than MS's JVM (which is only missing RMI); at least we didn't change the semantics of how the core packages work! They have JavaScript, which is a bastardized version of ECMAScript that they won't fix. Sheesh Si (Not speaking for MS) _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu May 27 20:48:05 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19990527193435.49333.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 20:46:43 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Manual X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 466 Lines: 17 At 8:34 pm +0100 27/5/99, Simon Cooke wrote: >We ... we ... us ... we've ... we ... Si (Not speaking for MS) If you're not speaking for Microsoft, then who on earth _are_ you speaking for?? ;) Andrew -- | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he +----------------+----------------ICQ:38645805-+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Thu May 27 22:41:54 1999 Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 22:41:54 +0100 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Manual Message-ID: <19990527224154.A26678@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no References: <19990527193154.48972.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <19990527193154.48972.qmail@hotmail.com>; from Simon Cooke on Thu, May 27, 1999 at 12:31:54PM -0700 Status: RO Content-Length: 125 Lines: 6 On Thu, May 27, 1999 at 12:31:54PM -0700, Simon Cooke wrote: > Try IE5. Maybe. When they release a version for Linux. imc From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Thu May 27 23:58:08 1999 Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 23:58:08 +0100 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Manual Message-ID: <19990527235808.A5590@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no References: <19990527193435.49333.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <19990527193435.49333.qmail@hotmail.com>; from Simon Cooke on Thu, May 27, 1999 at 12:34:35PM -0700 Status: RO Content-Length: 1888 Lines: 32 On Thu, May 27, 1999 at 12:34:35PM -0700, Simon Cooke wrote: > So, please, don't lump us in with the Other Browser. At least we've publicly > apologized for the MARQUEE tag. Netscape haven't for BLINK, CENTER, LAYER, > etc etc etc. They have a bastardized version of java in their VM - even much > more so than MS's JVM (which is only missing RMI); at least we didn't change > the semantics of how the core packages work! They have JavaScript, which is > a bastardized version of ECMAScript that they won't fix. Now then. You don't have to defend Microsoft against Netscape, you know - we don't blame you personally - but if you are going to then you open yourself to people sending you more complaints to answer about IE. I was going to include some quotes from a local guru (who's made significant contributions to recent releases of perl) but that would have been excessive and off-topic. Instead I'll just end by asking, when the new ISO standard character set puts the Euro sign at position A4, why did Windows go its own way and use 80, which is an unprintable control character on most systems? Not to mention all the other characters between 80 and 9F which find their way on to web pages and news articles (needless to say, most of these claim to be using the iso-8859-1 charset if they even bother to tell you[1]) and Windows software conspires to make sure the authors of these pages don't even know anything is wrong. (Not that Netscape on Windows is any different in that regard, but on Unix it displays these characters as question marks which makes the author of the page look illiterate.) imc [1]Apparently the Chinese version of Outlook Express cannot be configured to not[2] write "Joe Bloggs wrote in message" in Chinese big5 and it doesn't even mention the big5 charset anywhere in the headers. [2]Split infinitives are the in thing these days, you know. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 28 09:43:35 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851AC5@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: Manual Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 09:48:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 340 Lines: 13 > From: Andrew Collier [SMTP:asc25@cam.ac.uk] > >At 8:34 pm +0100 27/5/99, Simon Cooke wrote: > >>We ... we ... us ... we've ... we ... Si (Not speaking for MS) > >If you're not speaking for Microsoft, then who on earth _are_ you speaking >for?? Oh my gawd!! We've uncovered a coup in MS's organisation led by Simon Cooke!!!!!!! :) Jut. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 28 12:19:51 1999 Message-ID: <000701bea8fb$af7b3ea0$31c348c2@enterprise.net> From: "Chris Pile" To: "Sam Users Group" Subject: Is my mail getting through? Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 12:17:31 +0100 Organization: The Aces-High Flying Circus MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 45 Lines: 3 Is my mail reaching other SAM users? Chris. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 28 12:19:51 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851AC7@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: Is my mail getting through? Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 12:25:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 291 Lines: 11 I, Justin Skists, hereby starts the flood of "yes" emails. > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Pile [SMTP:pegasus@enterprise.net] > Sent: Friday, May 28, 1999 12:18 PM > To: Sam Users Group > Subject: Is my mail getting through? > > Is my mail reaching other SAM users? > > Chris. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 28 12:40:10 1999 Message-ID: <002101bea8fc$ce667a40$31c348c2@enterprise.net> From: "Chris Pile" To: References: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851AC7@mailhost.aculab.com> Subject: Re: Is my mail getting through? Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 12:25:31 +0100 Organization: The Aces-High Flying Circus MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 72 Lines: 4 > I, Justin Skists, hereby starts the flood of "yes" emails. Thanks!! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 28 14:16:14 1999 From: "David Laundon" To: Subject: RE: Is my mail getting through? Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 13:10:15 +0100 Message-ID: <000001bea903$0b4f3950$0304a8c0@eccles.catalyst> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851AC7@mailhost.aculab.com> Importance: Normal X-Server: VPOP3 V1.3.0 - Registered to: Steven J. Jeffery X-Organisation: Catalyst Computer Systems Ltd. X-Web: Visit our Web Page at http://www.catalyst-uk.com X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 714 Lines: 22 >I, Justin Skists, hereby starts the flood of "yes" emails. > I knew I'd be beaten to it; well I didn't stand much of a chance really, I didn't receive the message until now (13:00) [1] and you probably won't see it until 14:00 [1]. Dave Laundon [1] "Ethel" over there in the corner only dials up on the hour most of the time (only running Windows 95 you see, poor dear). Thankfully my machine "Eccles" is running Windows NT, I'm having to use a Cyrix though :) >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Chris Pile [SMTP:pegasus@enterprise.net] >> Sent: Friday, May 28, 1999 12:18 PM >> To: Sam Users Group >> Subject: Is my mail getting through? >> >> Is my mail reaching other SAM users? >> >> Chris. > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 28 20:16:04 1999 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 20:12:42 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Stuart Brady Subject: Re: Manual In-Reply-To: <374D950D.E07FF58@btinternet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 681 Lines: 16 On Thu, 27 May 1999, Thomas Harte wrote: > Tried any mozilla milestones? They are surprisingly good. Significantly >more memory friendly that Netscape 4.5. Looks like 5.0 will be a quite >good piece of work. Yes, but gecko has to use HTML 4, and other bloated standards. It'd be better if people just used a new markup language, which works. HTML 4 is not exactly easy to write with a text editor, as far as I can see. I took one look at W3C's documentation and gave up. All the editors that do exist are awful. Netscape's editor removes

tags, so if you've got an
between paragraphs, the space before the line is removed - even on Communicator. -- Stuart Brady From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri May 28 20:30:26 1999 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 20:21:47 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Stuart Brady Subject: Re: Manual In-Reply-To: <19990527193435.49333.qmail@hotmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 104 Lines: 7 On Thu, 27 May 1999, Simon Cooke wrote: [snip] Netscape is just as bad. Maybe worse. -- Stuart Brady From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat May 29 12:26:50 1999 Message-ID: <374FCE24.932B9831@btinternet.com> Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 12:23:16 +0100 From: Thomas Harte X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Getting those encrypted games in a SIM Coupe-able format References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 533 Lines: 14 > Or you could download a copy of the spectrum 48k version, which is > basically the same thing.... Well, yeah, but with the obvious changes that it : a) wouldn't be able to load saved games from .dsk files meaning that any play on my tempramental SAM would have to be entirely seperate to any play on my not quite so tempramental (although I'm sure hardware driver writers up and down the country are working on it!) PC here, and b) (a much smaller concern) it would be nice to have a backup of my SAM disk . . . -Thomas From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat May 29 12:35:13 1999 Message-ID: <374FCE8B.1168F55C@btinternet.com> Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 12:24:59 +0100 From: Thomas Harte X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SAM Mailing List Subject: The win32 SIM Coupe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 383 Lines: 10 Hi, I know it isn't out or anything, I'm not about to ask something stupid like 'where can I get it', I'm just aware from experience that writing for windows can be an entirely different process to writing for DOS, and therefore creating a windows version will most probably have meant a large change in code. So . . . the question . . . has Linux support been dropped? -Thomas From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat May 29 12:47:24 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <374FCE24.932B9831@btinternet.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 12:36:47 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Getting those encrypted games in a SIM Coupe-able format X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 772 Lines: 21 >> Or you could download a copy of the spectrum 48k version, which is >> basically the same thing.... > > Well, yeah, but with the obvious changes that it : > > a) wouldn't be able to load saved games from .dsk files >meaning that >any play on my tempramental SAM would have to be entirely seperate to >any play on my not quite so tempramental (although I'm sure hardware >driver writers up and down the country are working on it!) PC here, and You could always just save a snapshot file instead.... Andrew -- | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he +----------------+----------------ICQ:38645805-+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat May 29 13:15:41 1999 Message-ID: <374FD901.A55B4274@btinternet.com> Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 13:09:37 +0100 From: Thomas Harte X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Getting those encrypted games in a SIM Coupe-able format References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 338 Lines: 10 > You could always just save a snapshot file instead.... Does SAM Elite load those, or would I end up using SPECTRE and just owning a copy of SAM Elite for a bit or a laugh. Also : I just realised this morning that the silly cut-down SAM I was thinking of is the SAM Gamestar . . . so what is the SAM Elite (the computer)? -Thomas From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat May 29 13:45:37 1999 From: "David Laundon" To: Subject: RE: Getting those encrypted games in a SIM Coupe-able format Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 13:44:52 +0100 Message-ID: <000201bea9d1$0bcd1040$600b883e@david> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <374FD901.A55B4274@btinternet.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 554 Lines: 17 > From: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no [mailto:owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no]On > Behalf Of Thomas Harte > Also : I just realised this morning that the silly cut-down > SAM I was > thinking of is the SAM Gamestar . . . so what is the SAM Elite (the > computer)? > > -Thomas > AFAIK the SAM Elite is basically just the same as a SAM Coupe except that : A: There is a parallel printer interface built in (don't ask me where though!) B: They were (are?!) only released as 512K versions. C: The disk drive(s) were the 'new style' (I think). Dave Laundon. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat May 29 14:48:08 1999 Message-ID: <374FEF6C.EC09B061@btinternet.com> Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 14:45:16 +0100 From: Thomas Harte X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SAM Mailing List Subject: A simple Mode-X question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 594 Lines: 17 Hi, I've never been too sure about the memory layout of Mode-X and so on, so I am asking one simple question, would it be faster to : a) blit 144 32x27 tiles to a Mode-X screen arranged so as to form a rectangle of 384x324, or b) blit the same tiles to a memory bitmap, then to the mode-x screen as a single rectangle of 384x324? And if the answer is a), which would be the fastest blitting order (you know, as in left to right, top to bottom or every odd, then every even or whatever) to minimise bank switching / whatever else takes up time in drawing to mode-x screens? -Thomas From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat May 29 14:51:20 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <374FD901.A55B4274@btinternet.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 14:35:19 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Getting those encrypted games in a SIM Coupe-able format X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 674 Lines: 17 >> You could always just save a snapshot file instead.... > > Does SAM Elite load those, or would I end up using SPECTRE and just >owning a copy of SAM Elite for a bit or a laugh. No, but there are various 48K Spectrum emulators available for the Sam, and they can load snapshot files (they need to be saved with a slightly bizarre format, but I'm pretty sure there are programs to do that conversion.) Andrew -- | Andrew Collier | email asc25@cam.ac.uk | Talk sense to a | Part 2 NatSci | http://carou.sel.cam.ac.uk/ | fool and he +----------------+----------------ICQ:38645805-+ calls you foolish | Selwyn College Student Computer Support Team | -- Euripides From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun May 30 15:19:28 1999 Message-ID: <37514825.35093A41@btinternet.com> Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 15:16:05 +0100 From: Thomas Harte X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: A simple Mode-X question References: <374FEF6C.EC09B061@btinternet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 132 Lines: 6 Sorry, wrong mailing list. I promise to not send at least three mails I otherwise would have to make up for it . . . . -Thomas From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun May 30 15:27:33 1999 X-Authentication-Warning: scallop.dcs.warwick.ac.uk: csuan owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 15:26:35 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Walker To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Manual In-Reply-To: <19990527224154.A26678@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 124 Lines: 9 On Thu, 27 May 1999, Ian Collier wrote: > > Try IE5. > Maybe. When they release a version for Linux. Coming soon. Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun May 30 19:24:52 1999 Message-ID: <19990530182254.66818.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.72] From: "Simon Cooke" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Z80 Assembler update Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 11:22:54 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1699 Lines: 34 Well folks, it's slow going but the z80 assembler is getting there inch by inch. Just thought I'd let you know that I have an added incentive to get it finished; it's probably going to be one of the sample apps for Visual Studio 7 :) [probably, that is... we don't know for sure yet. I do know that it's part of our build process internally to make sure that we're not breaking existing functionality when we throw new code into the mix] Assembler: lexer's done, parser is partially complete, output stage is partially complete. It quite happily throws descriptive errors (missing bracket, need a number here, can't have that register pair in this instruction, operation may overwrite existing code, that kind of thing). There are also multiple warning levels so you can pick and choose how bad-ass you want to be with your code. It'll even warn you if the values you're setting are too large to fit into a register... :) IDE: Color coded editor is going through a rewrite to make it more functional, and to add scripting/automation capabilities. If you've got a file open in the editor, it'll assemble straight from there to reduce time (and as it'll already have gone through one stage of parsing & lexing to do the color coding, it'll assemble MUCH faster). Docking window support is coming along nicely. The initial version will be written for the Microsoft JVM, and then it'll be ported to other languages when the code has stabilized. (Probably VC++). I'll also work on breaking the assembler out into its own DLL. So there ya have it. Si _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 31 13:39:47 1999 Message-ID: <000d01beab62$2d4824c0$a55008c3@persona> From: "David L" To: Subject: Desperately seeking Colin! Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 13:36:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01BEAB6A.8E018560" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1070 Lines: 39 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BEAB6A.8E018560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've misplaced Colin MacDonalds telephone & email address... anyone able = to oblige? 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------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BEAB6A.8E018560-- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 31 21:42:20 1999 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 21:06:19 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: James R Curry Subject: Re: Manual In-Reply-To: <19990527103036.175F73AB6@maillist.kabelfoon.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 521 Lines: 15 Through judicious use of monkeys and typewriters, "Robert van der Veeke " came up with... >But seriously, I love those buttons wich switch colors to standard ones and >remove backgrounds. Or with one click you switch off all the images, quite >usefull when someone has more than 750k worth of pictures on his frontpage. My word! Another Opera user?? Cool! :) >Opera is a small, rather fast and simple browser and nothing more, that is >what i like about it. Testify! Testify! -- James R Curry From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon May 31 22:20:29 1999 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 22:17:29 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: Manual References: <19990527103036.175F73AB6@maillist.kabelfoon.nl> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 4.01 <8OHKkEUpoELRXEckwUjJGSM0AF> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 338 Lines: 14 In message , James R Curry writes >Testify! Testify! Bit late for that, OJ was found innocent, y'know... Graham Goring -- /====================================\ | Ber-Limey! There's not even enough | |room to swing a cat in this sodding-| \=========== ICQ: 5333545 ===========/