From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Thu Jul 15 20:18:32 1999
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From: "James R Curry" <James@curry.com>
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> No, that's wrong.
> I though it is a pretty clear why SAA1099 emulation is in separate package.
> 1.) I worked on sound, Allan worked on SimCoupe. New versions came
> paralelly.
> This is faster.
> 2.) My sound emulation isn't concerned into SimCoupe. It is publicly usable
> in any SAA1099 interested software. So I publish it in its own package.

So, perhaps it should come with Simcoupe, in a format that can still 
be used independantly, and with a pointer as to where to get the 
stand-alone distribution.  The installer for Simcoupe could simply 
take advantage of the fact that the SAA1099 emulator is within the 
Simcoupe package, without combining the two in some ireversible 
manner.  Perhaps there could also be a legend reading "SA1099 
emulator used with permission...".

I agree with you wanting to keep your work available as a stand-alone 
package, but if we want the more general user to investigate 
SimCoupe, the installation should be as straight-forward as possible.

Don't tell me that "Most users have no problems with installing <x> 
before <y>.", I've spoken to so many people who have trouble 
understanding concepts like "Root directory" and the difference 
between free hard-drive space and RAM.

Yeah, there are a lot of intelligent PC users, but there are a lot of 
stupid ones too...
--
James R Curry - James@curry.com

"The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!"

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Thu Jul 15 20:48:11 1999
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From: Stuart Brady <stuart@wholehog.demon.co.uk>
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In message <007501becea4$2d6e3bf0$7251c29e@inf.upol.cz>, Aley Keprt
<AleyKeprt@bigfoot.com> writes

>You are always able to read the contents of an archive, so it can have any
>extension, but I
>really preffer hte original one (packed SAD will be still SAD).

IMHO, you shouldn't have the same extension for the compressed image and
for the uncompressed image...

>Also, I STRONGLY recommend ZIP, not GZip.

If you want to make things more complicated, then fine. :-)

>Also, extension must be max.3 chars long (for DOS users).

That's why I said saz for zipped sad, etc... or using sad.gz if you can
have longer extensions.

>> Btw, I've got an idea: you could treat the floppy as a ramdisk, and load
>> and save images to it -- that would only be optional, of course.

>What?

Loading and saving images, rather than opening them. It was an idea --
if no one wants it, then fine. :-)
-- 
Stuart Brady

From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Thu Jul 15 22:59:56 1999
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 22:59:56 +0100
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On Thu, Jul 15, 1999 at 03:18:56PM +0000, James R Curry wrote:
> Don't tell me that "Most users have no problems with installing <x> 
> before <y>.", I've spoken to so many people who have trouble 
> understanding concepts like "Root directory" and the difference 
> between free hard-drive space and RAM.

We have MSc students in Computation who send email support saying "can I
have some more memory" when they actually mean disk quota...

imc

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Thu Jul 15 23:03:11 1999
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Well, if anyone can send me a Mode 3, Mode 1, Mode 2 and Mode 4 screenshot
as PC files, I'm sure I can come up with a converter program....

Thanks,
Simon

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Fri Jul 16 09:35:42 1999
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From: Chris White <chriswhite@thewhitehouse1600.freeserve.co.uk>
>
>These YS Articule's , are they online anywhere ??


Yay! Plug time!

I'm the webmaster of the Your Sinclair Rock'n'Roll Years, which can be found at:

    http://www.the-den.clara.net/ys/cover.htm

It's has all sorts of things on it, including around 600 original articles.
There's a special SAM index at

    http://www.the-den.clara.net/ys/articles/index_sam.htm

It's not an exhaustive archive, but has most of the most interesting reviews and
articles.

Nick


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The first rule you'll learn when in any support job (or involved with anything
that's directly available to the public):

    People are stupid.

Nick


From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Fri Jul 16 10:00:49 1999
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From: Justin Skists <Justin.Skists@aculab.com>
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The other rule: Think of the most stupid thing that you think is possible,
and then bet your last dollar on someone beating it.

(Or, at least, that's what my old driving instuctor said to me)

Justin

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Nick Humphries [SMTP:nhum@tissoft.co.uk]
> Sent:	Friday, July 16, 1999 9:39 AM
> To:	sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
> Subject:	Re: New: SimCoupe 0.783a - Sound emulation
> 
> The first rule you'll learn when in any support job (or involved with
> anything
> that's directly available to the public):
> 
>     People are stupid.
> 
> Nick
> 

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Fri Jul 16 10:18:49 1999
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Subject: (OT) Stupid people
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The YS Rock'n'Roll Years carries a load of original YS articles and reviews.
Here's an email that was sent to me in response to seeing a review of Monty On
The Run:

---start---
I cant beleive you still expect people to pay for a game thats ten years
old???????? come on, it was designed for the commodore
64........................the what???????? i now have a 500Mhz
PIII..............surely the price needs to move with the times and it
should be worth $0.00......a FREE download.......

Just a Thought
---end---

People *are* stupid...

Nick


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Are you having a "best of email responses" section on those pages? :)

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Nick Humphries [SMTP:nhum@tissoft.co.uk]
> Sent:	Friday, July 16, 1999 10:14 AM
> To:	sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
> Subject:	(OT) Stupid people
> 
> The YS Rock'n'Roll Years carries a load of original YS articles and
> reviews.
> Here's an email that was sent to me in response to seeing a review of
> Monty On
> The Run:
> 
> ---start---
> I cant beleive you still expect people to pay for a game thats ten years
> old???????? come on, it was designed for the commodore
> 64........................the what???????? i now have a 500Mhz
> PIII..............surely the price needs to move with the times and it
> should be worth $0.00......a FREE download.......
> 
> Just a Thought
> ---end---
> 
> People *are* stupid...
> 
> Nick
> 

From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Fri Jul 16 10:36:29 1999
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 10:36:29 +0100
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On Fri, Jul 16, 1999 at 10:13:50AM +0100, Nick Humphries wrote:
> Here's an email that was sent to me in response to seeing a review of Monty On
> The Run:

> ---start---
> I cant beleive you still expect people to pay for a game thats ten years
> old???????? 
[snip]

Y'know, it's no more than five minutes since I read an email which must have
been sent as a response to my "how to build your own Quantum Leap handlink"
web page.  I could mention that I did this an experiment in 1996 and it took
many weeks to make the sole handlink in existence.  The email I have just
received says (name censored to protect the guilty)...

---start---
Could you just send me a pre built handlink please
reply to xxxxxxxxxxxxx@yahoo.com
---end---

imc

PS of course, I could mention there is a whole "computer stupidities"
web site, but I don't have the URL right now.  Need I say any more than
"cup-holder"?  :-)

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Fri Jul 16 10:55:11 1999
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On Fri, 16 Jul 1999, Ian Collier wrote:

> PS of course, I could mention there is a whole "computer stupidities"
> web site, but I don't have the URL right now.  Need I say any more than
> "cup-holder"?  :-)

It's

http://rinkworks.com/stupid/

Heath.

Andrew

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From: Justin Skists <Justin.Skists@aculab.com>


>Are you having a "best of email responses" section on those pages? :)


I would do, but haven't really got enough material to start a dedicated section.
There's also a load of emails along the lines of YS's "World Of The Speccy"
letters section...

An idea for the future, definitely. Since I've added a link bar to every page on
the site, I seem to be getting more and more emails to ysrnry@... and also since
the "E-mail me" page has an email form CGI thingy it means it's even easier for
people to email me as they don't need to have the emailer configured on their
browser - in fact, they don't even need an email account...

You get all sorts though. Someone signed themself as :

---begin---
<message snipped>

                               Death is the cure to all diseases,

                               Sub Machine Gun
---end---

Sad. Very VERY sad...


Nick



From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Fri Jul 16 12:36:36 1999
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From: "Aley Keprt" <AleyKeprt@bigfoot.com>
To: <sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no>
References: <199907151912.PAA28954@msuacad.morehead-st.edu>
Subject: SimCoupe : wide spread? (was New: SimCoupe 0.783a...)
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> I agree with you wanting to keep your work available as a stand-alone 
> package, but if we want the more general user to investigate 
> SimCoupe, the installation should be as straight-forward as possible.

This is very interesting opinion.
I think not only instalation should be straight forward.
Here I come with my experience:

We play Snake Mania in SimCoupe in our arcede game tournaments
(http://get.to/hcc).
100% (except me)people don't know Sam Coupe, so their first
contact with it is SimCoupe.
*ALL* people said that SimCoupe is a SHIT.
Why did they said this?
They all interestingly think that starting the game in SimCoupe
is very slow and stupid:
1. start simcoupe and wait until it re-sets
2. press F3 (open menu)
3. weird open-menu system (DOS version looks like Unix)
4. press num.pad 9
5. wait until it loads (10 secs)

I must say this is normal for me, since I do know
Sam and SimCoupe, but occasional users have big
problems with this "procedure".
Also, it is not possible to enter the SAD filename
from command line when you have your SAD in
different directory than SimCoupe's one - it
simply doesn't work.

Summary:
Somebody (??) could add these functions to SimCoupe:
1. fast reset
2. auto-boot SAD images (snapshots can do 1&2)
3. start from non-SimCoupe directory
4. faster disk emulation (DOS is poor, Win32 is faster)

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> Stuart Brady wrote:

> >You are always able to read the contents of an archive, so it can have
any
> >extension, but I
> >really preffer hte original one (packed SAD will be still SAD).
>
> IMHO, you shouldn't have the same extension for the compressed image and
> for the uncompressed image...

> >Also, extension must be max.3 chars long (for DOS users).
>
> That's why I said saz for zipped sad, etc... or using sad.gz if you can
> have longer extensions.

No no no.
We should have the least number of extensions as possible.
It is be possible to use only one extension for
compressed and uncompressed DSK/SAD and SimCoupe must
detect the contents of a file, not the extension.
Internally packed SAD is still a SAD.
Also, DSK shouldn't be compressed since some people
may want to work with it (Linux???).

> >> Btw, I've got an idea: you could treat the floppy as a ramdisk, and
load
> >> and save images to it -- that would only be optional, of course.
>
> >What?
>
> Loading and saving images, rather than opening them. It was an idea --
> if no one wants it, then fine. :-)

This is a question of floppy driver.
Allan's driver used in SimCoupe is very slow, since it does
no caching.
My driver (not used in SimCoupe, since it is not possible to talk with Si)
is faster since it does *caching*, which is something like you wrote.
It loads whole file to memory. When working with real floppies, it
reads only requested tracks and keep all of them in memory.

> --
> Stuart Brady
>

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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Fri Jul 16 13:42:39 1999
Date: 	Fri, 16 Jul 1999 13:39:10 +0100 (BST)
From: Andrew Collier <asc25@cam.ac.uk>
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On Fri, 16 Jul 1999, Aley Keprt wrote:

> Summary:
> Somebody (??) could add these functions to SimCoupe:
> 1. fast reset
> 2. auto-boot SAD images (snapshots can do 1&2)

The thing is, you have to remember that SimCoupe is a Sam emulator, it is
not a Snakemania program. These features may suit your particular
circumstances, but they would make SimCoupe act less like a real Sam and
therefore I think they are a bad idea.

> 3. start from non-SimCoupe directory
> 4. faster disk emulation (DOS is poor, Win32 is faster)

It would be nice to be able to double-click on a dsk image, and have
SimCoupe load with that image in drive 1. You could then just press F9 to
load the game.

Andrew

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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Fri Jul 16 13:57:54 1999
Date: 	Fri, 16 Jul 1999 13:53:37 +0100 (BST)
From: Andrew Collier <asc25@cam.ac.uk>
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On Fri, 16 Jul 1999, Aley Keprt wrote:

> > >You are always able to read the contents of an archive, so it can have
> any
> > >extension, but I
> > >really preffer hte original one (packed SAD will be still SAD).
> >
> > IMHO, you shouldn't have the same extension for the compressed image and
> > for the uncompressed image...

> No no no.
> We should have the least number of extensions as possible.

Why?

Surely it is better to have different extensions for distinguishable file
types.

> It is be possible to use only one extension for
> compressed and uncompressed DSK/SAD and SimCoupe must
> detect the contents of a file, not the extension.

No no no, the filename extension should be meaningful to the user (as well
as to the computer, if the computer takes any notice of it anyway).

Currently, there are versions of SimCoupe which can read .dsk files and
.sad files, but will not be able to read future compressed versions of
those files. If the next SimCoupe version saves compressed files with the
same extension, you won't be able to tell, without looking inside the
file, whether the image is compressed or not - some people would be unable
to load the file *and they wouldn't know why not*. That would be a Bad
Thing [TM].

> Internally packed SAD is still a SAD.
> Also, DSK shouldn't be compressed since some people
> may want to work with it (Linux???).

Exactly. If you use a standard compression alogrithm (but still internal
to SimCoupe) and save the files with the standard extention for that
algorithm, then everybody can still use the file. 

Let's say the new SimCoupe/Win32 saves a file as a .dsk.gz (for example).
People with the same version can just load the file, but everybody else
can also use it because they know how to decompress it first.

I don't think the long filename should be a problem - how many people
still use DOS outside of Windows95/98/NT any more? 

Andrew

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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Fri Jul 16 14:47:23 1999
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>I don't think the long filename should be a problem - how many people
>still use DOS outside of Windows95/98/NT any more? 

I do!

(Then again, I'm a multi-platform software engineer..)


Justin.

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Fri Jul 16 14:47:24 1999
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On Fri, 16 Jul 1999, Justin Skists wrote:

> >I don't think the long filename should be a problem - how many people
> >still use DOS outside of Windows95/98/NT any more? 
> 
> I do!
> 
> (Then again, I'm a multi-platform software engineer..)

In that case, I'll rephrase the question slightly:

Would it be likely to cause a problem if future versions of SimCoupe were
to require long filename support in the hose operating system? 

Andrew

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Andrew Collier <asc25@cam.ac.uk> writes:

> In that case, I'll rephrase the question slightly:
> 
> Would it be likely to cause a problem if future versions of SimCoupe were
> to require long filename support in the hose operating system? 

Probably make Simcoupe unusable duing the hot summer months we have over
here unless you compile and link againt libWateringCan ...

Lee.
-- 
I was doing object-oriented assembly at 1 year old ...  
For some reason my mom insists on calling it "Playing with blocks"

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Fri Jul 16 15:19:42 1999
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From: Andrew Collier <asc25@cam.ac.uk>


>On Fri, 16 Jul 1999, Justin Skists wrote:
>
>> >I don't think the long filename should be a problem - how many people
>> >still use DOS outside of Windows95/98/NT any more?
>>
>> I do!
>>
>> (Then again, I'm a multi-platform software engineer..)
>
>In that case, I'll rephrase the question slightly:
>
>Would it be likely to cause a problem if future versions of SimCoupe were
>to require long filename support in the hose operating system?


I thought DOS systems viewed long file names as wibble~1.zip or whatever? If so,
then so long as the files required in the emulator program itself are in 8.3
format, the sight of ~1 would be ugly, but the file would still be useable.

If I'm talking out of my arse here, then I'd like to know as it could be a
useful piece of knowledge in future.

Nick



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From: Nick Humphries <nhum@tissoft.co.uk>

Correction:

>I thought DOS systems viewed long file names as wibble~1.zip or whatever? If
so,
>then so long as the files required in the emulator program itself are in 8.3
>format, the sight of ~1 would be ugly, but the file would still be useable.


I meant the use of ~1 in snapshot files only, not program files.


Nick

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>In that case, I'll rephrase the question slightly:
>
>Would it be likely to cause a problem if future versions of SimCoupe were
>to require long filename support in the hose operating system? 

Only if I get to drive the fire-engine! :)

Seriously, I've no problems with that...

Justin.

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Fri Jul 16 15:43:12 1999
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On Fri, 16 Jul 1999, Nick Humphries wrote:

> >Would it be likely to cause a problem if future versions of SimCoupe were
> >to require long filename support in the hose operating system?

s/hose/host

> I thought DOS systems viewed long file names as wibble~1.zip or whatever? If so,
> then so long as the files required in the emulator program itself are in 8.3
> format, the sight of ~1 would be ugly, but the file would still be useable.

Yes, although I don't know how well this particular system would cope with
a filename containing two dots, like wibble.dsk.gz 

Anyway I thought in DOS mode under Win95 and Win98 you could use long
filenames transparently - or maybe that was only in NT? I don't use very
Windows much, you can probably tell...

Andrew

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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Fri Jul 16 15:52:49 1999
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>Yes, although I don't know how well this particular system would cope with
>a filename containing two dots, like wibble.dsk.gz 

wibble~1.gz

(I just tried it)

>Anyway I thought in DOS mode under Win95 and Win98 you could use long
>filenames transparently - or maybe that was only in NT? I don't use very
>Windows much, you can probably tell...

DOS prompt, you can.. but DOS programs treat them with the twiddles..

Justin

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From: Justin Skists <Justin.Skists@aculab.com>
>>Anyway I thought in DOS mode under Win95 and Win98 you could use long
>>filenames transparently - or maybe that was only in NT? I don't use very
>>Windows much, you can probably tell...
>
>DOS prompt, you can.. but DOS programs treat them with the twiddles..


Good, that means there shouldn't be any problems with long filename support
affecting the DOS version too much. I must admit that one of the few advantages
that zx32 has over the other Speccy emulators (besides being NT compatible) is
its use of long filenames.

Nick



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From:           	"Nick Humphries" <nhum@tissoft.co.uk>
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> The first rule you'll learn when in any support job (or involved with anything
> that's directly available to the public):
> 
>     People are stupid.
> 
> Nick

Amen to that...
--
James R Curry - 8bit@itdoesntsuck.com

"The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!"

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Fri Jul 16 18:18:59 1999
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From:           	Justin Skists <Justin.Skists@aculab.com>
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> The other rule: Think of the most stupid thing that you think is possible,
> and then bet your last dollar on someone beating it.
> 
> (Or, at least, that's what my old driving instuctor said to me)
> 
> Justin

I open the bidding with the woman who would receive her new credit 
card, with the notice saying "Cut up your card now", to which she 
would cut up the new card that just arrived...
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"The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!"

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Fri Jul 16 18:33:12 1999
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> On Fri, 16 Jul 1999, Aley Keprt wrote:
> 
> > Summary:
> > Somebody (??) could add these functions to SimCoupe:
> > 1. fast reset
> > 2. auto-boot SAD images (snapshots can do 1&2)
> 
> The thing is, you have to remember that SimCoupe is a Sam emulator, it is
> not a Snakemania program. These features may suit your particular
> circumstances, but they would make SimCoupe act less like a real Sam and
> therefore I think they are a bad idea.
> 
> > 3. start from non-SimCoupe directory
> > 4. faster disk emulation (DOS is poor, Win32 is faster)
> 
> It would be nice to be able to double-click on a dsk image, and have
> SimCoupe load with that image in drive 1. You could then just press F9 to
> load the game.

To be honest, I don't see the problem in having the F9 automatically 
pressed for you if you double click the image.  Just think of it as 
having a Sam emulated with an SC_AutoBoot or whatever it was called...

It doesn't have to behave any less like a real SAM, just have 
shortcuts to make time consuming jobs go faster.  Hey, if a Spectrum 
emulator can have a % speed increase, or emulate a faster processor, 
I don't see why we can't have support for easier loading of SAM 
programs.  That doesn't mean that the experienced user is forced to 
use those options, they can use it like a REAL SAM.

A major feature of emulator's is that they make old machines more 
accessible to people who wouldn't otherwise use them, and features 
like this definitely make the SAM more accessible.

Just my two cents,
--
James R Curry - 8bit@itdoesntsuck.com

"The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!"

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> I don't think the long filename should be a problem - how many people
> still use DOS outside of Windows95/98/NT any more? 

I do!  :)

Wow, it seems to my day for arguing with you, doesn't it, Andrew?  
*grins*
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James R Curry - 8bit@itdoesntsuck.com

"The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!"

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No apologies if I offend anyone - if sam-users is descending back into 200+
heated emails a day, I may as well show my hand as well.

-=-=-=-=-

> "Essential Sam programs"...

> Demos, games, even utilities or anything else are okay

I don't think you could justify any demo as being an essential bit of
software (what's it
essential for?) - infact I think the throwaway "even utilies" are the most
likely to be considered essential.  Perhaps I have my priorities wrong....

-=-=-=-=-

OOI - does anyone have an outdated copy of sam-users subscribers on there
web page?

A while back my mono.org account received a spam, and I spotted quite a few
others from this list in the Distro.

-=-=-=-=-

Linux & SimCoupe - why the assumption that the only non-MSWindows/DOS
platform anyone would want to run Simcoupe on is Linux?

As well as the MacOS version, simcoupe (or at least in the XCoupe guise) was
compiled for a complete range of OS's and Platforms including I believe a
DecAlpha running
OSF, an SGI box running IRIX.   For i386 there are lots of other OSs such as
OS/2, *BSD - not just linux, and not everyone out there uses machines
capable of running MSDOS/Windows, so "getting hold of DOS" isn't always that
easy ;-)

-=-=-=-=-

Simcoupe and this list in general:

Adding platform specific enchancements is good, but any changes to the core
code that rely on a specific platform or available software is bad.  Why
take an already portable product and make it less so?

Nethack is a popular game, continually being developed and improved.  No-one
charges for it, no-one makes any money out of it, yet it is probably one of
the most highly ported bits of code out there (okay, so there is a fair bit
of code in platform specific directorys under the source tree).  People are
keeping this code up-to-date on all platforms - where is their incentive?
Some people write portable code because it's the nice thing to do.

<soapbox>

I was always proud to be associated with the "Sam Community" - it seems to
me it's becoming a set of neighbouring communities based on religion.
Perhaps it's time to box up my sam and move elsewhere.

I don't intend to blame anyone in particular - it's good if people improve
things like Simcoupe, but it's turning far to much into little factions as
people bitch and gripe about anything they get the chance to.  I guess this
is always happened on this list (Son of Sam anyone?), but perhaps I've
finally grown up to realise what a waste it is.  I don't see the point
anymore.

But what does it matter if I get out.  Who am I but someone who's owned a
sam for 9 years, been on sam-users for 5 (with the odd break), who thought
it was something special.  Just one more disillusioned user walking off into
the sunset, until the only people who bother with the Sam are a bunch of
people who spend all there time arguing, until they finally realise that
even they have nothing to do with the sam anymore.

</soapbox>

....@/


From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Fri Jul 16 21:08:19 1999
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Maria Rookyard wrote:

>You mean like standard rose trees or something?

Just trees. As long as you can swing on them.
-- 
Stuart Brady

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Aley Keprt wrote:

>Most of the current Sam-related stuff at NVG and other servers is ZIPped
>(pk).

Which is shareware. :-(

>We have ZIP sources as well, and ZIP can pack multiple files.
>That's positive, isn't it?

It could be. It depends on whether you want multiple files, really.

All of this stuff doesn't really matter /that/ much. It's not worth
getting all upset about, even if I am moaning a bit too much. :-)
-- 
Stuart Brady

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Aley Keprt wrote:

[snip]

I think Aley's just said what I *meant* to say. :-) Sorry.

>Do you all know why we still talk about op.systems, instead of SimCoupe?
>Since Si works on his own. That's the problem.
>If Si will stop working on his own, we can stop talking about this strange
>Microsoft stuff, and go onto SimCoupe.

I really don't want Si to stop work... He's got nothing to lose from
releasing the source code, though. :-)

If you really want to, Aley, why don't you carry on working on SimCoupe?
Don't let Si stop you, anyway.
-- 
Stuart Brady

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sat Jul 17 00:05:43 1999
From: "Paul Walker" <paul@black-sun.demon.co.uk>
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> > Hell.. Why not use a tar + gzip combination? :)
> And why use it, when there is ZIP?

'cause tar+gzip compresses better, as a general rule.

Paul
--
God loves kids, cuz he can't fool (mature) adults ...
 -- Gabe Carlson on alt.atheism

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sat Jul 17 00:16:28 1999
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Hi,

	I have a couple of utilities that will take a file from a DSK format
image file and store it on my hard drive, but are there any available
utilities (for my PC - I am aware of a few for my SAM) that go the other
way?

		-Thomas

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>> "Essential Sam programs"...
>
>> Demos, games, even utilities or anything else are okay
>
>I don't think you could justify any demo as being an essential bit of
>software (what's it
>essential for?) - infact I think the throwaway "even utilies" are the most
>likely to be considered essential.  Perhaps I have my priorities wrong....

Well - I guess my priorities are somewhat clouded by the fact I'm something
of a demo coder myself, but imagine this scenario:

A new user downloads a copy of SimCoupe. If he's not impressed, he'll throw
away SimCoupe after about half an hour and we'll never see him again? So
what programs do you show him? What are the "essential" programs that
anyone with a passing interest must see once?

Most users, I guess, would be most interested in games. But we haven't got
many of those available for download... I doubt that utilities, even good
ones, are likely to hold his attention for long either.

I think you underestimate the influence of m/c demos on the Sam's
environment...

Andrew

--
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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sat Jul 17 16:42:39 1999
From: "Paul Walker" <paul@black-sun.demon.co.uk>
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> I don't think the long filename should be a problem - how many people
> still use DOS outside of Windows95/98/NT any more? 

How many people still use the old machine known as a SAM Coupe?

Paul
--
Luck is my middle name, said Rincewind, indistinctly. Mind you, my first
name is Bad.
 -- Terry Pratchett, Interesting Times

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sat Jul 17 18:29:59 1999
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Jarek Adamski recently announced a new version of his Spectrum emulator
ZXVGS for the Sam Coupe. I tried to install the emulator, but ran into
some problems with the disk format he uses (CPM 2.2 QED 820Kb format).
It seems there might be some compatibility issues between the disk
drives on his machine and on mine.

Jarek would like some people to try installing his emulator, to see how
many people have trouble with the disk format, or whether it's just me. 
;-)


Installation requirements
==

* A PC, or other internet connected computer that can write to a 720Kb
FAT (= PC type) disk.
* Ability to UU decode and UNLHA (the LHA program is supplied for PC. UU
encoding is a common format).
* A Sam with 512Kb memory and at least one disk drive.
* 2 blank double density disks.
* Some spare time (15 to 30 minutes?)


Installation method
==

1/ Acquire CPM22QED.LHA & LHA.EXE, from
http://nautilus.uwoj.krakow.pl/zxland/
2/ Un UU encode CPM22QED.LHA (your e-mail program might do this for you)
3/ Un LHA it (resulting in the file CPM22SAM.106)
4/ Copy this file to a recently formatted 720Kb PC disk (this file
_must_ be the first file on the disk)
5/ Boot your Sam Coupe from the PC disk (yes, really). If you have a Sam
hard-disk, it would be best to disconnect it first.
6/ Make yourself a cup of tea. (While the disk is booting up, you should
expect to see a lot of dots printed on the screen, this is caused by
using a PC disk, but is not a problem. Also, the extensions on file
names will appear corrupted, this is not a problem either.)
7/ Insert a new disk in Sam (or you can re-cycle the old one).
8/ Enter "QFORMAT 0:name /QED820"
9/ Once it's finished formatting, and you've returned to the command
prompt, press CTRL+C
10/ Enter "DIR B:" - all going well, it should say something like "No
File", otherwise there has been an error, so stop here.
11/ Enter "PPIP *.* B:" - it should finish copying files without giving
an error message, otherwise stop here.
12/ Enter "CPM22SYS B:"
13/ Try to boot from the new disk.


If all this works, you can run the emulator by typing "VGSSAM". (Note
that if this doesn't work, you would still be able to run VGSSAM from a
ProDOS disk as I am doing. Although the instructions for doing this are
not included here. Also note there is technicial information available
in the file "VGSguide.lha", from the same web site.)


Whether or not it works, please tell us exactly how you got on. Also, we
would like to know:
* The amount of memory on the machine (will only work with 512Kb)
* The number of disk drives
* The version of the diskdrives, if you know (or if not, where they
pre-installed or added-on, and when?)
* The name of the manufacturor printed on the case (MGT, Sam Co., West
Coast)
* The name of the computer (Sam Coupe, Sam Elite)
* The serial number (printed on the underneath)
* What devices you had plugged in (eg. mouse, joystick, Sam bus, video
through scart, etc.)
* The frequency of your power supply (50Hz, 60Hz, etc.)

send replys either to Jarek Adamski mailto:yarek@sp7.zsk.p.lodz.pl
or me mailto:james.gasson@clear.net.nz

-- 
James Gasson


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From: Paul Walker <paul@black-sun.demon.co.uk>
> > > Hell.. Why not use a tar + gzip combination? :)
> > And why use it, when there is ZIP?
>
> 'cause tar+gzip compresses better, as a general rule.

RAR, of course, has the same benefits. The reason tar + gzip compresses
better is because ZIP treats separate files as individual compression
blocks; rather than compressing the entire archive. For data that may be
repeated across files, tar'ing and then gzipping the file gives better
results.

FWIW, WinZip handles tar+gzip files...

Si

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sat Jul 17 22:05:20 1999
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Andrew Collier wrote:

>It would be nice to be able to double-click on a dsk image, and have
>SimCoupe load with that image in drive 1. You could then just press F9 to
>load the game.

You can. "simcoupe -fd1 image.dsk" inserts image.dsk in floppy drive 1.
Use -fd2 for floppy drive 2. This should work in Windows and Linux, and
in both cases, you could configure your file manager to do this when you
double click on the image.

You have to press enter at the about box, but that could be changed. In
Windows, you've got to make a pif file with the working directory being
c:\sam\simcoupe. :-(

You could also drag files on to a "shortcut" with the command line
"c:\sam\simcoupe\simcoupe.exe -fd1" -- if you can do that in Linux, that
means you could drag /dev/fd0 (the floppy disk) on to the link, and have
simcoupe read from that. You might be able to make a symbolic link to
/dev/fd0 and double click on it.

I'm all in favour of an /optional/ autoboot, when you load a disk from
the command line.
-- 
Stuart Brady

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In message <19990716103629.A21859@comlab.ox.ac.uk>, Ian Collier
<Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk> writes

>PS of course, I could mention there is a whole "computer stupidities"
>web site, but I don't have the URL right now.  Need I say any more than
>"cup-holder"?  :-)

Don't tell me... the CD-ROM drive?

You might be thinking of Dilbert -- http://www.dilbert.com

There's also the one about the person who took a break from work, and
went outside to "have a smoke and get a breath of fresh air".
-- 
Stuart Brady

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sat Jul 17 22:05:21 1999
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Andrew Collier wrote:

>Surely it is better to have different extensions for distinguishable file
>types.

It is.

[snip]

>No no no, the filename extension should be meaningful to the user (as well
>as to the computer, if the computer takes any notice of it anyway).

Yep. That's the standard way of doing things. Simcoupe itself should
only care about the first two bytes of the file. The file manager will
need to know what the type is, so that it knows what to open it with.
For example, you may want to have compress on the menu for sad files,
and uncompress on the menu for saz files.

[snip]

>> Internally packed SAD is still a SAD.

It's a compressed sad -- the user *needs* to know this.

[snip]

>Exactly. If you use a standard compression alogrithm (but still internal
>to SimCoupe) and save the files with the standard extention for that
>algorithm, then everybody can still use the file. 

And in a large group of mixed types when you want to compress only the
uncompressed files, you can tell which ones they are. A simple gzip
*.sad would do the trick. Otherwise... you might be trying to compress
compressed files, which would be a Bad Thing [tm], too.

>Let's say the new SimCoupe/Win32 saves a file as a .dsk.gz (for example).
>People with the same version can just load the file, but everybody else
>can also use it because they know how to decompress it first.

>I don't think the long filename should be a problem - how many people
>still use DOS outside of Windows95/98/NT any more? 

Some people do. That's why you should use saz for sad.gz/zip, in the
same way people use tgz for tar.gz. The extension should change, though.
-- 
Stuart Brady

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Simon Cooke wrote:


>RAR, of course, has the same benefits. The reason tar + gzip compresses
>better is because ZIP treats separate files as individual compression
>blocks; rather than compressing the entire archive. For data that may be
>repeated across files, tar'ing and then gzipping the file gives better
>results.

Taring and then bzipping might give even better results...

>FWIW, WinZip handles tar+gzip files...

but I'm not so sure about WinZip, with tar.bz2.
-- 
Stuart Brady

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sat Jul 17 22:55:15 1999
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Had a similar one recently...

Tried to explain to a customer that ISA Modems where no longer available -
and that a PCI one wouldn't fit into her fully loaded motherboard.

Demanded to know why it wasn't possible to saw off the bottom and replace it
with an ISA fitting....

Yes.... right!
-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart Brady <stuart@wholehog.demon.co.uk>
To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no <sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no>
Date: 17 July 1999 22:12
Subject: Re: (OT) Stupid people


>In message <19990716103629.A21859@comlab.ox.ac.uk>, Ian Collier
><Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk> writes
>
>>PS of course, I could mention there is a whole "computer stupidities"
>>web site, but I don't have the URL right now.  Need I say any more than
>>"cup-holder"?  :-)
>
>Don't tell me... the CD-ROM drive?
>
>You might be thinking of Dilbert -- http://www.dilbert.com
>
>There's also the one about the person who took a break from work, and
>went outside to "have a smoke and get a breath of fresh air".
>--
>Stuart Brady
>
>

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sat Jul 17 23:05:43 1999
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> Date sent:      	Fri, 17 Jul 1998 21:52:29 +0100
                                ^^^^

For goodness sake, please fix it? 

> Had a similar one recently...

--
James R Curry - James@curry.com

"The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!"

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sat Jul 17 23:17:27 1999
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No.
-----Original Message-----
From: James R Curry <James@curry.com>
To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no <sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no>
Date: 17 July 1999 23:09
Subject: Re: (OT) Stupid people



> Date sent:      Fri, 17 Jul 1998 21:52:29 +0100
                                ^^^^

For goodness sake, please fix it? 

> Had a similar one recently...

--
James R Curry - James@curry.com

"The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!"



From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sat Jul 17 23:17:27 1999
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Subject: Re: SimCoupe : wide spread? (was New: SimCoupe 0.783a...)
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> > 3. start from non-SimCoupe directory
> > 4. faster disk emulation (DOS is poor, Win32 is faster)
> It would be nice to be able to double-click on a dsk image, and have
> SimCoupe load with that image in drive 1. You could then just press F9 to
> load the game.

urm you can - At least in Windows 98. (I assume '95 is just the same)

Just associate .DSK with "Sam Disk Image" or something, and make the default
option to open using "?:/path/to/Simcoupe.pif -fd1" (for some reason it
didn't like me
using Simcoupe directly, but was fine when I then changed it to use the pif
instead - I think it may have been that it needed the pif to get the correct
working directory)

HTH,
    Tim


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> A new user downloads a copy of SimCoupe. If he's not impressed, he'll
throw
> away SimCoupe after about half an hour and we'll never see him again? So
> what programs do you show him? What are the "essential" programs that
> anyone with a passing interest must see once?

Another scenario:

A user downlaods Simcoupe and runs a demo, then his mate comes around with
some cover CD and he has a play with a demo of some software on that which
takes full advantage of the hardware [ okay, okay, I'm falling in to the
"everyone runs on a PC" trap here ;-) ] which impresses him most.

What are the essential programs - to be honest I don't think there are any,
at least not for anyone who is running SimCoupe.  Demos look pretty but not
as pretty as something written for the host platform.  Utilities have no
point, they are either Sam Specific (MasterDOS), or something a lot more
powerful is already available for the machine (ie SamC).

That leaves games - most 8bit emulators have the advantage of a very large
collection of games, and a lot of people run them because they remember them
from their youth.  (The games also don't rely on people just going
"ooh-pretty" which seems to sell too much games these days - but my mind
wanders).  The Sam unfortunately doesn't have this base.

Which means I'm going to play devils advocate and say there isn't any.

The people I see using SimCoupe are those who own a Sam, the "hobbyist" type
people who should have owned a Sam, and the odd people wondering what all
the fuss is about.  People who are interested in the emulator becaues they
are interested in the machine.  I don't think it has that much opportunity
to gain the attention of people off the street.

One CD will hold what, 0.6Gb, that's over 600 DSK files.

I'd like to see a CD with every Sam Disk every released as a DSK image on it
(in standard formats before protection and fancy disk formats were added if
possible).  You sell that, and include SimCoupe on it, and you have a large
slice of history and a potential market.

Of course, it'll never happen.  Too much personality conflict for a start.

> Most users, I guess, would be most interested in games. But we haven't got
> many of those available for download... I doubt that utilities, even good
> ones, are likely to hold his attention for long either.

Quite/

> I think you underestimate the influence of m/c demos on the Sam's
> environment...

No, I'm happy to be outside the Coders Horseshow rather than within it.  I
appreciate that Demos helped the development of "real" software for the sam.
I just don't think they are interesting.

....@/

From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Sun Jul 18 00:12:40 1999
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From: Ian Collier <imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk>
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On Fri, Jul 17, 1998 at 09:52:29PM +0100, David L wrote:
> Had a similar one recently...

> Tried to explain to a customer that ISA Modems where no longer available -
> and that a PCI one wouldn't fit into her fully loaded motherboard.

Then there's this bloke who has his clock set one year in the past and refuses
to fix it.

imc

From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Sun Jul 18 00:33:29 1999
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On Sat, Jul 17, 1999 at 09:59:15PM +0100, Stuart Brady wrote:
> In message <19990716103629.A21859@comlab.ox.ac.uk>, Ian Collier
> <Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk> writes
> >PS of course, I could mention there is a whole "computer stupidities"
> >web site, but I don't have the URL right now.  Need I say any more than
> >"cup-holder"?  :-)

> Don't tell me... the CD-ROM drive?

Yep.  Haven't you heard that then?

> You might be thinking of Dilbert -- http://www.dilbert.com

No, I was thinking of "computer stupidities" at Rinkworks, the URL of which
Andrew has already posted.

imc

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oh just sod off

-----Original Message-----
From: Ian Collier <Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk>
To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no <sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no>
Date: 18 July 1999 00:24
Subject: Re: (OT) Stupid people


>On Fri, Jul 17, 1998 at 09:52:29PM +0100, David L wrote:
>> Had a similar one recently...
>
>> Tried to explain to a customer that ISA Modems where no longer
available -
>> and that a PCI one wouldn't fit into her fully loaded motherboard.
>
>Then there's this bloke who has his clock set one year in the past and
refuses
>to fix it.
>
>imc
>
>

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Simon Cooke wrote:
>From: Paul Walker <paul@black-sun.demon.co.uk>
>> > > Hell.. Why not use a tar + gzip combination? :)
>> > And why use it, when there is ZIP?
>>
>> 'cause tar+gzip compresses better, as a general rule.
>
>RAR, of course, has the same benefits. The reason tar + gzip compresses
>better is because ZIP treats separate files as individual compression
>blocks; rather than compressing the entire archive. For data that may be
>repeated across files, tar'ing and then gzipping the file gives better
>results.

But in SimCoupe it will (almost certainly) be used for compressing a single
.dsk/.sad file - efficiency of compression of multiple files is not likely
to be an issue...

By the sounds of it, it should be equally plausible to implement gzip or
zip support, probably?

Andrew

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>> I don't think the long filename should be a problem - how many people
>> still use DOS outside of Windows95/98/NT any more?
>
>How many people still use the old machine known as a SAM Coupe?

And just as soon as somebody compiles SimCoupe for the Sam Coupe, that
question might become relevant.

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>> > 3. start from non-SimCoupe directory
>> > 4. faster disk emulation (DOS is poor, Win32 is faster)
>> It would be nice to be able to double-click on a dsk image, and have
>> SimCoupe load with that image in drive 1. You could then just press F9 to
>> load the game.
>
>urm you can - At least in Windows 98. (I assume '95 is just the same)
[method snipped]

Fair enough then - Aley seemed to be implying that you had to go through
the SimCoupe internal GUI thing...

Like I've probably mentioned before, I don't really "do" Windows...[1]

Andrew

[1] Unless it's for money!

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>     unsubscribe  

You have to send it to sam-users-request@nvg.ntnu.no

Why are you going, anyway?

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I received the following email this morning, and I figured it might affect
some of you....

>Due to a sudden and substantial change of circumstances, the UK8 Convention
>(a cross-format event for 8-bit computer users) which was to be held in
>Walsall in September 1999, has had to be cancelled.
>
>Regrettably, it is not possible to arrange for the event to be moved to an
>satisfactory alternative venue on or about the same date.
>
>However, it is expected that an alternative venue will be found in time for
>the event to be held early in 2000.
>
>All monies which have been paid to date are being refunded. As you will
>appreciate, this will take some time, but it is expected that that side of
>things will be complete by the end of July at the latest.
>
>Please spread the word to any 8-bit computer magazine or individual who may
>not have the facilities to receive this e-mail or read it in any of the
>newsgroups to which it is being posted.
>
>I will not be able to keep track of any/all the discussion threads in those
>newsgroups, but would appreciate being copied (to uk8@spheroid.demon.co.uk,
>please) with postings on the matter.
>
>--
>Brian Watson (for UK8)
>

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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sun Jul 18 02:13:14 1999
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From:           	"David L" <daveykins@theoffice.net>
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Date sent:      	Fri, 17 Jul 1998 23:33:58 +0100
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> oh just sod off

Well, 'tis a little inconsiderate to other people on this list...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ian Collier <Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk>
> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no <sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no>
> Date: 18 July 1999 00:24
> Subject: Re: (OT) Stupid people
> 
> 
> >On Fri, Jul 17, 1998 at 09:52:29PM +0100, David L wrote:
> >> Had a similar one recently...
> >
> >> Tried to explain to a customer that ISA Modems where no longer
> available -
> >> and that a PCI one wouldn't fit into her fully loaded motherboard.
> >
> >Then there's this bloke who has his clock set one year in the past and
> refuses
> >to fix it.


--
James R Curry - James@curry.com

"The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!"

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sun Jul 18 04:09:06 1999
From: "Paul Walker" <paul@black-sun.demon.co.uk>
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> RAR, of course, has the same benefits. The reason tar + gzip compresses
> better is because ZIP treats separate files as individual compression

Yeees. I am aware of this, oddly enough, having looked at compression 
schemes in the past <grin> There's other solid archivers around now, but I 
still tend to prefer Rar.

> FWIW, WinZip handles tar+gzip files...

Yes, but not .tar.bz2, which a lot of people are switching to (much better 
compression).

Paul
--
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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sun Jul 18 04:09:06 1999
From: "Paul Walker" <paul@black-sun.demon.co.uk>
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> >> I don't think the long filename should be a problem - how many people
> >> still use DOS outside of Windows95/98/NT any more?
> >How many people still use the old machine known as a SAM Coupe?
> And just as soon as somebody compiles SimCoupe for the Sam Coupe, that
> question might become relevant.

Congratulations, you win today's prize for missing the point, feeble though it 
may have been.

Either way, the answer is "more than you'd think". I'm with whoever 
suggested .saz, since it follows the .tar.gz -> .taz (or .tgz) example. Or 
provide two versions of the file, or .. oh sod it, use long filenames. Who 
cares anyway?

Paul
--
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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sun Jul 18 08:44:44 1999
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Date: 	Sun, 18 Jul 1999 19:35:34 +0100
From: Gasson <gasson@clear.net.nz>
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Gasson wrote:
> Jarek Adamski recently announced a new version of his Spectrum emulator
> ZXVGS for the Sam Coupe. I tried to install the emulator, but ran into
> some problems with the disk format he uses (CPM 2.2 QED 820Kb format).

Never mind, the problem has been solved now.  :-)

-- 
James Gasson


From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sun Jul 18 18:06:05 1999
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Paul Walker wrote:

>Either way, the answer is "more than you'd think". I'm with whoever 
>suggested .saz, since it follows the .tar.gz -> .taz (or .tgz) example. Or 
>provide two versions of the file, or .. oh sod it, use long filenames. Who 
>cares anyway?

You should be able to use either, unless of course you're using DOS. I
think that just for the DOS users, we could use saz for downloads.
-- 
Stuart Brady

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sun Jul 18 18:47:21 1999
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> Paul Walker wrote:
> 
> >Either way, the answer is "more than you'd think". I'm with whoever 
> >suggested .saz, since it follows the .tar.gz -> .taz (or .tgz) example. Or 
> >provide two versions of the file, or .. oh sod it, use long filenames. Who 
> >cares anyway?
> 
> You should be able to use either, unless of course you're using DOS. I
> think that just for the DOS users, we could use saz for downloads.
> -- 
> Stuart Brady

Just a request.  Don't break the support for older versions of DOS 
running without Windows 95 that don't support long filenames.
--
James R Curry - James@curry.com

"The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!"

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Mon Jul 19 09:04:25 1999
Date: 	Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:02:01 +0100 (BST)
From: Andrew Collier <asc25@cam.ac.uk>
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On Sat, 17 Jul 1999, Thomas Harte wrote:

> 	I have a couple of utilities that will take a file from a DSK format
> image file and store it on my hard drive, but are there any available
> utilities (for my PC - I am aware of a few for my SAM) that go the other
> way?

I did, at one point, write a program to do the conversion both ways... but
this was for the Mac rather than the PC. The C source shouldn't need more
than minor changes though, if anyone with Windows experience wants to
take a look at it.

Then again, I'm fairly sure someone had already written a PC program to do
the same job?

Andrew

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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Mon Jul 19 18:56:47 1999
From: David Ledbury <persona@clara.co.uk>
To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
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> I'm looking for a Sam Coupe, can you help me?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Alessandro Costa
>
>
GamesDungeon <games-dungeon@yahoo.com>

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Mon Jul 19 22:23:11 1999
From: Jarek Adamski <yarek@sp7.zsk.p.lodz.pl>
To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
Date: 	Mon, 19 Jul 1999 15:57:43 +0100
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Hello!

In the file "http://nautilus.uwoj.krakow.pl/zxland/CPM22QED.RAR"
is system disk contents with new version of QFORMAT. The old one
decreased sectors size in case of format errors.

-- 
Yarek.

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Tue Jul 20 12:31:02 1999
Date: 	Tue, 20 Jul 1999 13:28:01 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Aley Keprt <keprta@alpha.inf.upol.cz>
To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
Subject: Re: SimCoupe : wide spread? (was New: SimCoupe 0.783a...)
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On Fri, 16 Jul 1999, Andrew Collier wrote:

> On Fri, 16 Jul 1999, Aley Keprt wrote:
> 
> > Summary:
> > Somebody (??) could add these functions to SimCoupe:
> > 1. fast reset
> > 2. auto-boot SAD images (snapshots can do 1&2)
> 
> The thing is, you have to remember that SimCoupe is a Sam emulator, it is
> not a Snakemania program. These features may suit your particular
> circumstances, but they would make SimCoupe act less like a real Sam and
> therefore I think they are a bad idea.

These words are stupid. The new features should be - of course - optional.
So you can turn it off. In addition, this stuff has nothing to do with
Snake Mania.

> > 3. start from non-SimCoupe directory
> > 4. faster disk emulation (DOS is poor, Win32 is faster)
> 
> It would be nice to be able to double-click on a dsk image, and have
> SimCoupe load with that image in drive 1. You could then just press F9 to
> load the game.

Yes, but this applies to Win32 only.
And I was talking generally about SimCoupe.


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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Tue Jul 20 13:02:45 1999
Date: 	Tue, 20 Jul 1999 13:45:45 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Aley Keprt <keprta@alpha.inf.upol.cz>
To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
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On Sun, 18 Jul 1999, Andrew Collier wrote:

> >> > 3. start from non-SimCoupe directory
> >> > 4. faster disk emulation (DOS is poor, Win32 is faster)
> >> It would be nice to be able to double-click on a dsk image, and have
> >> SimCoupe load with that image in drive 1. You could then just press F9 to
> >> load the game.
> >
> >urm you can - At least in Windows 98. (I assume '95 is just the same)
> [method snipped]
> 
> Fair enough then - Aley seemed to be implying that you had to go through
> the SimCoupe internal GUI thing...

What? You combined somebody other's mail with my one.
I didn't want the "double-click"...

I only must point that internal GUI's "open menu" is the only possibility
how to start DSK images placed in different directory than SimCoupe.

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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Tue Jul 20 13:02:46 1999
Date: 	Tue, 20 Jul 1999 13:41:53 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Aley Keprt <keprta@alpha.inf.upol.cz>
To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
Subject: Re: SimCoupe : wide spread? (was New: SimCoupe 0.783a...)
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On Sat, 17 Jul 1999, Tim wrote:

> > > 3. start from non-SimCoupe directory
> > > 4. faster disk emulation (DOS is poor, Win32 is faster)
> > It would be nice to be able to double-click on a dsk image, and have
> > SimCoupe load with that image in drive 1. You could then just press F9 to
> > load the game.
> 
> urm you can - At least in Windows 98. (I assume '95 is just the same)
> 
> Just associate .DSK with "Sam Disk Image" or something, and make the default
> option to open using "?:/path/to/Simcoupe.pif -fd1" (for some reason it
> didn't like me
> using Simcoupe directly, but was fine when I then changed it to use the pif
> instead - I think it may have been that it needed the pif to get the correct
> working directory)

Yes, this is OBVIOUSLY true.
You can even associate DSK files with DOS version of SimCoupe.
Also, in DOS version of Norton Commander, you can do the same.

THe only thing I'm missing here is the autoboot feature, maybe optional.
(May there be a configuration file for SimCoupe.)

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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Tue Jul 20 13:45:54 1999
Date: 	Tue, 20 Jul 1999 13:38:46 +0100 (BST)
From: Andrew Collier <asc25@cam.ac.uk>
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On Tue, 20 Jul 1999, Aley Keprt wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Jul 1999, Andrew Collier wrote:
> > The thing is, you have to remember that SimCoupe is a Sam emulator, it is
> > not a Snakemania program. These features may suit your particular
> > circumstances, but they would make SimCoupe act less like a real Sam and
> > therefore I think they are a bad idea.
> 
> These words are stupid.

Well this isn't exactly a promising start for a good conversation....  and
not the first time from you either. 

I would get less irritated with you if you displayed less of an attitude
problem. Please try to keep your name-calling off sam-users, or else I
might join in...

> The new features should be - of course - optional.
> So you can turn it off.

That's not the point... Any new "feature" added to the virtual machine,
makes SimCoupe less realistic. And if SimCoupe doesn't try to
realistically emulate the Sam, then why bother? 

> In addition, this stuff has nothing to do with
> Snake Mania.

On the contrary, this sub-thread started on Fri, 16 Jul 1999, when Aley
Keprt wrote:

> We play Snake Mania in SimCoupe in our arcede game tournaments   
> (http://get.to/hcc).  
> 100% (except me)people don't know Sam Coupe, so their first
> contact with it is SimCoupe.
> *ALL* people said that SimCoupe is a SHIT.
> Why did they said this?
> They all interestingly think that starting the game in SimCoupe
> is very slow and stupid:
> 1. start simcoupe and wait until it re-sets
> 2. press F3 (open menu)
> 3. weird open-menu system (DOS version looks like Unix)
> 4. press num.pad 9
> 5. wait until it loads (10 secs)

In other words, the *entire point* of this converstion is that your
friends don't like SnakeMania's loading system. It doesn't matter to them
that Snakemania is actually running under an emulator called SimCoupe; all
they care about is starting to play the game, and they're irritated by the
loading system. They'd prefer to be launching a DOS program called
snkmania.exe and playing that, but they're stuck with SimCoupe so you're
asking for these features to make the loading easier - isn't that the
reason?

Now, I notice that in another message you say you weren't asking for a
double-click loading system. In that case, might I ask exactly what you
had in mind? How are you expecting to load the correct disk image without
either double clicking it in Windows, nor using the internal Open
dialogues? But since you're the one who's been releasing the DOS versions
of SimCoupe, I think you're the last person who should be complaining
about its "weird open-menu system"... 

Now interestingly, nearly everything else you've been complaining about
can already be fixed. You can avoid the Open dialogues by using the
command line options or Win98 properties which people have already
mentioned. And then if you can get hold of an image of the SC_AutoBOOT
ROM[1], then that will save you the trauma of having to actually press the
F9 key. You could even turn off the 50Hz syncronisation if the ten second
loading time is still too much for you to bear.

Andrew

[1] The modifications are probably still copyrighted unfortunately...

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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Tue Jul 20 13:59:00 1999
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From: Justin Skists <Justin.Skists@aculab.com>
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Subject: RE: SimCoupe : wide spread? (was New: SimCoupe 0.783a...)
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>That's not the point... Any new "feature" added to the virtual machine,
>makes SimCoupe less realistic. And if SimCoupe doesn't try to
>realistically emulate the Sam, then why bother? 

Exactly!

If everyone added new features to SimCoupe that never even existed on
the real SAM, not only would you have something OTHER than the SAM but
you might aswell change the name completely and develop it as a
Virtual Cross-Platform Operating System to compete against JAVA.


Justin.

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Tue Jul 20 14:19:41 1999
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Excuse me for me complete sadness, but I can't find any new versions of Sim
Coupe. The latest I have is dated early 98.

Is there a new homepage for the programmer? Where is the official
distribution site?
Where can I get freeware/PD same games and Demos in .DSK format for the emu.

Any help would be greatly appriciated.

On another note, is it still possible to buy a real Sam in the UK?? How much
are they? If they are over £50 then sod it :)

Cheers

Simon Osborne

e: simon@polarbear.swinternet.co.uk
w: http://www.polarbear.swinternet.co.uk

Official sad git of 1999

From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Tue Jul 20 14:44:24 1999
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On Wed, Jul 14, 1999 at 09:44:25PM +0100, Stuart Brady wrote:
> Not releasing the source code when developing is something that simply
> isn't done with OSS. Until now, anyway.

I don't think you are right.  Rare it might be, but I bet it still happens.

In fact, you may be aware that a few months ago the TeX Users Group released
a CD called TeX-Live 4 containing a system based on Web2C 7.3.  If you don't
have that CD then you don't have Web2C 7.3: the archives all contain 7.2b
which is now over a year old.

imc

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Tue Jul 20 15:30:28 1999
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>  And then if you can get hold of an image of the SC_AutoBOOT
> ROM[1], 

[snip]
 
> [1] The modifications are probably still copyrighted unfortunately...

IIRC both Cookie and Edwin have produced auto-booting ROM images.

BTW, Actually got a new submission to the Sam Webring
(http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/coupe/webring) the other day - It's a pity
the page it points to doesn't actually exist ;-)

Dan.

Work: dan@armature.com
Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk
VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/

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From: Dan Dooré <dan@armature.com>


>BTW, Actually got a new submission to the Sam Webring
>(http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/coupe/webring) the other day - It's a pity
>the page it points to doesn't actually exist ;-)


I _knew_ there was something else to do in the YSRnRY revamp... I'll add my SAM
index to the ring at the weekend.

Nick



From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Tue Jul 20 19:08:16 1999
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Aley Keprt wrote:
>On Fri, 16 Jul 1999, Andrew Collier wrote:

>> The thing is, you have to remember that SimCoupe is a Sam emulator, it is
>> not a Snakemania program. These features may suit your particular
>> circumstances, but they would make SimCoupe act less like a real Sam and
>> therefore I think they are a bad idea.

>These words are stupid. The new features should be - of course - optional.
>So you can turn it off. In addition, this stuff has nothing to do with
>Snake Mania.

Aley -- what's wrong with you? I admit that I might have been a bit
trollish before (which I have apologised for, before you say anything),
but "stupid" -- even _I'm_ not that bad...
-- 
Stuart Brady

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From: Aley Keprt <keprta@alpha.inf.upol.cz>
> I only must point that internal GUI's "open menu" is the only possibility
> how to start DSK images placed in different directory than SimCoupe.

No it isn't as the -fd1 commandline option accepts paths.  The following
works fine from the
Start->Run dialog box of Win98:

C:\Games\SimCoupe\v078\bin\simcoupe.exe -fd1 "C:\games\simcoupe\disk
images\sadsnail.dsk"

....@/



From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Tue Jul 20 19:22:47 1999
From: "Paul Walker" <paul@black-sun.demon.co.uk>
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> > Not releasing the source code when developing is something that simply
> > isn't done with OSS. Until now, anyway.
> I don't think you are right.  Rare it might be, but I bet it still happens.

I *know* it still happens, because I'm doing it (currently) with Hurricane.

The fact that no-one's asked for the source is a minor matter...

Paul
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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Tue Jul 20 19:37:42 1999
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In message <Pine.SOL.3.95q.990720125847.870B-100000@red.csi.cam.ac.uk>,
Andrew Collier <asc25@cam.ac.uk> writes

>I would get less irritated with you if you displayed less of an attitude
>problem. Please try to keep your name-calling off sam-users, or else I
>might join in...

He is doing. I emailed him recently, and I got a fairly nice reply,
calling me a "woman" and accusing me of "missing the point (again)". I'm
getting really fed up of this...

>That's not the point... Any new "feature" added to the virtual machine,
>makes SimCoupe less realistic. And if SimCoupe doesn't try to
>realistically emulate the Sam, then why bother? 

IMHO, any new feature (like autoboot) which was off by default, wouldn't
matter, because you wouldn't notice it. It's better to have no feature
at all, that to force you to use it, though.

[snip]

If people can't type "simcoupe -fd1 snkmania.dsk", press enter twice,
wait a few seconds and press 9 on the keypad... Why are they interested
in the Sam at all?
-- 
Stuart Brady

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Tue Jul 20 23:11:56 1999
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On Tue 20 Jul 99 (14:16:30 +0100), carbon@polarbear.swinternet.co.uk wrote:
>Excuse me for me complete sadness, but I can't find any new versions of
>Sim Coupe. The latest I have is dated early 98.
>

Right, first off, there is nothing 'sad' about your request.
There are links to SIMCoupe pages on my web site (URL below).

>Is there a new homepage for the programmer? Where is the official
>distribution site?
>Where can I get freeware/PD same games and Demos in .DSK format for the
>emu. 
>Any help would be greatly appriciated.

Again, there are some DSK images on my web site. You will need PKUNZIP or WINZIP to decompress the ZIP files.

>
>On another note, is it still possible to buy a real Sam in the UK?? How
>much are they? If they are over £50 then sod it :)
>

Should be some available somewhere, second hand. But you will have to hope that
you can find someone who is selling one. Why not try putting an Ad in Loot or
your local paper?

>Cheers
>
>Simon Osborne
>

You're welcome,

Stewart.

>e: simon@polarbear.swinternet.co.uk
>w: http://www.polarbear.swinternet.co.uk
>
[Snip] I didn't like what was here!
>
>
P.S, thanks for forcing me to write to the list Simon. I haven't done for some
time.

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> Aley -- what's wrong with you? I admit that I might have been a bit
> trollish before (which I have apologised for, before you say anything),
> but "stupid" -- even _I'm_ not that bad...

Bad translation, maybe. Aley's English is better than our Czech, so I'm not 
sure we can complain if it turns out to be the case. ;)

Paul
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From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Wed Jul 21 15:26:48 1999
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On Tue, Jul 20, 1999 at 01:38:46PM +0100, Andrew Collier wrote:
> Now interestingly, nearly everything else you've been complaining about
> can already be fixed. You can avoid the Open dialogues by using the
> command line options or Win98 properties which people have already
> mentioned. And then if you can get hold of an image of the SC_AutoBOOT
> ROM[1], then that will save you the trauma of having to actually press the
> F9 key.

Indeed.  If you want to save a couple of seconds at startup you can hack
that too.  Poke 454D into the ROM at location EBC9.  This skips the
memory-clear operation, since you know the memory is already clear on
the emulator.  Warning: this means that typing CALL 0 or pressing the
reset button no longer clears all the memory (actually it does clear
1/256 of it).

For autoboot I've hacked up the following to be stored in the ROM at
location ED1B.  No guarantees but it seems to work for all four of the
demo disks on the "newbies" page.  This is for the version of the ROM
which comes with SimCoupe 0.72.  Note: if you use this poke then it will
always boot when you start the emulator whether you like it or not, and
also whenever you type NEW.

3EFF 320056 32445C 213B5C CBFE CDDFD8 3A445C 3C C2D40D CF00

[ld a,FF; ld (LINICOLS),a; ld (NSPPC),a; ld hl,FLAGS; set 7,(hl);
call BOOTNR; ld a,(NSPPC); inc a; jp nz,NEXTSTAT; rst 8; defb 0]

imc

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Wed Jul 21 18:56:01 1999
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Andrew Collier wrote:
> 
> > The new features should be - of course - optional.
> > So you can turn it off.
> 
> That's not the point... Any new "feature" added to the virtual machine,
> makes SimCoupe less realistic. And if SimCoupe doesn't try to
> realistically emulate the Sam, then why bother?

By that logic, should we make the emulator only run with a dodgy tv
screen which makes high pitched sounds whenever the screen goes
white?... That would make it more like a real Sam....   I mean, the
point is - ok, the Sam didn't have some of these features, but so what?
They are just *emulator* enhancements to remove some of the awkward
tedium with using the emulator.   On a Sam, you whip in the disk, push
F9 ...on the emulator its "click - click - click - tap tap tap tap tap -
click" ...already longer and more cumbersome ...Anything to speed it up
is A GOOD THING ....if you dont like it, turn it off.  Or do you really
enjoy emulating awkward loading procedures?

> > In addition, this stuff has nothing to do with
> > Snake Mania.
> 
> On the contrary, this sub-thread started on Fri, 16 Jul 1999, when Aley
> Keprt wrote:
<snip> 
> In other words, the *entire point* of this converstion is that your
> friends don't like SnakeMania's loading system. It doesn't matter to them
> that Snakemania is actually running under an emulator called SimCoupe; all
> they care about is starting to play the game, and they're irritated by the
> loading system. They'd prefer to be launching a DOS program called
> snkmania.exe and playing that, but they're stuck with SimCoupe so you're
> asking for these features to make the loading easier - isn't that the
> reason?

But it does apply to other situations ....Just that Aley happened to
have experience of "one" of these situations when playing Snakemania
.....

>You could even turn off the 50Hz syncronisation if the ten second
>loading time is still too much for you to bear.

Just as a side point - wouldnt it make sense to auto-turn off sync when
loading to speed things up? ...I can't off the top of my head remember
anything that relied on a certain loading speed?!..... 
 
Martin

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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Wed Jul 21 18:56:01 1999
From: Jarek Adamski <yarek@sp7.zsk.p.lodz.pl>
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Hello!

In the file "http://nautilus.uwoj.krakow.pl/zxland/CPM22QED.LHA"
is system disk contents of CPM22QED and ZXVGS 0.14.

ZXVGS 0.14 can load "*.TAP" files. You can use "R-MSDOS" program
to read "*.TAP" files from MS-DOS disk to ramdisk (M:). Then
PPIP these files to QED820 disk. (Ramdisk contents is damaged by
ZXVGS without notice.)

To load program from "*.TAP" file run ZXVGS with its name:

ZXVGSSAM FILE.TAP

Then select "<C>ontinue" (or "<B>asic") from menu and enter:

LOAD ""

like for tape. To quit the program press rear <BREAK> then
<SPACE>. In ZXVGS 0.14 it isn't possible to change "*.TAP" file
without quiting ZXVGS.

All the programs that use ZX128 banks or AY-3-8910/2 will not
work if you don't have required hardware modifications.



For ZXVGS programs the default config is:
 - joystick 0 = arrow keys and <CNTRL> as fire;
 - joystick 1 = <F8>, <F5>, <F4>, <F6> and <F7> as fire;
 - mouse = SAM mouse (not tested);
 - printer = Parallel Printer Interface.

-- 
Yarek.

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>They are just *emulator* enhancements to remove some of the awkward
>tedium with using the emulator.   On a Sam, you whip in the disk, push
>F9 ...on the emulator its "click - click - click - tap tap tap tap tap -
>click" ...already longer and more cumbersome ...Anything to speed it up
>is A GOOD THING ....if you dont like it, turn it off.  Or do you really
>enjoy emulating awkward loading procedures?

He was talking about enhancements to the emulated virtual machine, not the
host environment.

Changes to the virtual machine are a bad thing. They would make SimCoupe
unrealistic, and emulating something which never existed. Changes to the
external GUI can be a good thing, if they make SimCoupe easier to use.

The loading system - provided you stick to using disk images, rather than a
magic file store - is something *external* to the virtual Sam. Feel free to
change it, but also note that you already can double-click on a disk image,
which loads SimCoupe, and press F9, just like on a real Sam. Where exactly
does your "click - click - click - tap tap tap tap tap - click" come in?
Exaggerating doesn't exactly help your argument...

Andrew

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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Thu Jul 22 00:21:30 1999
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ake SimCoupe easier to use.
> 
> The loading system - provided you stick to using disk images, rather than a
> magic file store - is something *external* to the virtual Sam. Feel free to
> change it, but also note that you already can double-click on a disk image,
> which loads SimCoupe, and press F9, just like on a real Sam. Where exactly
> does your "click - click - click - tap tap tap tap tap - click" come in?
> Exaggerating doesn't exactly help your argument...

Spectrum emulators support faster tape loading and the ability to 
auto-load a file.  I can't see the problem in allowing this as an 
OPTION on SimCoupe.

Ok, so if you boil it down to a very basic level, then you can class 
the automatic pressing of the F9 key as a change to the virtual 
machine.  OR, you could look at it as the GUI running some kind of 
macro that automatically sends the "F9" signal to a virtual machine 
which is running.

Any problem with that?

--
James R Curry - James@curry.com

"The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!"

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Thu Jul 22 12:55:00 1999
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Andrew Collier wrote:
> 
> >They are just *emulator* enhancements to remove some of the awkward
<snip>
> He was talking about enhancements to the emulated virtual machine, not the
> host environment.

If we're talking about the same thing:
<quote>
> 1. fast reset

fair enough, virtual machine - but as an option controlled by the host
environment, only taking effect if a setting was set.

> 2. auto-boot SAD images (snapshots can do 1&2)

thats not neccessarily a virtual machine enhancement  - the host
emulator environment can when starting (if set) 'fake' pushing the F9
key in the virtual machine (presumably)...  the virtual machine remains
the same - the F9 push (which would normally come from the keyboard)
comes from the host environment code - and that'd allow you to set
different preferences - e.g. autoboot on reset, call0, etc. etc.

> 3. start from non-SimCoupe directory
> 4. faster disk emulation (DOS is poor, Win32 is faster)

and those two are both host environment.

</quote>


> Changes to the virtual machine are a bad thing. They would make SimCoupe
> unrealistic, and emulating something which never existed. Changes to the
> external GUI can be a good thing, if they make SimCoupe easier to use.
> 
> The loading system - provided you stick to using disk images, rather than a
> magic file store - is something *external* to the virtual Sam. Feel free to
> change it, but also note that you already can double-click on a disk image,
> which loads SimCoupe, and press F9, just like on a real Sam. Where exactly
> does your "click - click - click - tap tap tap tap tap - click" come in?
> Exaggerating doesn't exactly help your argument...

Being condescending doesn't help yours.   Bearing in mind that I've
never done that.... I was referring to using the GUI on the DOS version
of SimCoupe - the only version I've ever used, in which it certainly
isn't an exagerration.. The only options were to use the internal GUI,
which involves a lot of clicking & typing
(tapping) (especially if the DSK image is in a different directory) or
to type it on the command line ..which is a lot of typing (tapping)... 
"click - click - click - tap tap tap tap tap - click" would only be 4
mouse clicks & 5 keypresses.... If anything, thats an understatement.

Martin Fitzpatrick

-- 
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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Thu Jul 22 12:55:01 1999
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Andrew Collier wrote:
> 
> >They are just *emulator* enhancements to remove some of the awkward
<snip>
> He was talking about enhancements to the emulated virtual machine, not the
> host environment.

If we're talking about the same thing:
<quote>
> 1. fast reset
> 2. auto-boot SAD images (snapshots can do 1&2)
> 3. start from non-SimCoupe directory
> 4. faster disk emulation (DOS is poor, Win32 is faster)
</quote>


> Changes to the virtual machine are a bad thing. They would make SimCoupe
> unrealistic, and emulating something which never existed. Changes to the
> external GUI can be a good thing, if they make SimCoupe easier to use.
> 
> The loading system - provided you stick to using disk images, rather than a
> magic file store - is something *external* to the virtual Sam. Feel free to
> change it, but also note that you already can double-click on a disk image,
> which loads SimCoupe, and press F9, just like on a real Sam. Where exactly
> does your "click - click - click - tap tap tap tap tap - click" come in?
> Exaggerating doesn't exactly help your argument...

Bearing in mind that I've never done that.... I was referring to using
the GUI on the DOS version of SimCoupe - the only version I've ever
used, in which it certainly isn't an exagerration.. The only options
were to use the internal GUI, which involves a lot of clicking & typing
(tapping) (especially if the DSK image is in a different directory) or
to type it on the command line ..which is a lot of typing (tapping)...  
"click - click - click - tap tap tap tap tap - click" would only be 4
mouse clicks & 5 keypresses.... If anything, thats an understatement.

-- 
Email: poohsticks@bonbon.net
ICQ#: 11077801
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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Thu Jul 22 13:34:16 1999
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On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, Martin Fitzpatrick wrote:

> > The loading system - provided you stick to using disk images, rather than a
> > magic file store - is something *external* to the virtual Sam. Feel free to
> > change it, but also note that you already can double-click on a disk image,

> isn't an exagerration.. The only options were to use the internal GUI,
> which involves a lot of clicking & typing
> (tapping) (especially if the DSK image is in a different directory) or
> to type it on the command line ..which is a lot of typing (tapping)... 
> "click - click - click - tap tap tap tap tap - click" would only be 4
> mouse clicks & 5 keypresses.... If anything, thats an understatement.

Alright then, I'll ask you the same question I asked Aley: If you don't
like the current methods of selecting the correct disk image, how would
you prefer it to be done?

All that clicking and typing is only really equivalent to hunting through
a disk box, finding the right disk and putting it in the drive. I just
don't see why everybody's making such a complete fuss over having to press
the F9 key... and Ian has already posted a hack for that anyway...

Andrew

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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Thu Jul 22 13:48:23 1999
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Andrew Collier wrote:
> 
> Alright then, I'll ask you the same question I asked Aley: If you don't
> like the current methods of selecting the correct disk image, how would
> you prefer it to be done?
> 
> All that clicking and typing is only really equivalent to hunting through
> a disk box, finding the right disk and putting it in the drive. I just
> don't see why everybody's making such a complete fuss over having to press
> the F9 key... and Ian has already posted a hack for that anyway...

The point is just to be able to double-click or whatever on a file, and
have it loaded & autobooted by SimCoupe - as an *Option* ...I dont
personally dont get strained by pushing the F9 key, but regardless, if
people use SimCoupe primarily to play their games, why not allow *as an
option* the ability to autoboot (as James said - probably via the GUI
doing the equivalent of F9 push, based on how it is configured).

I dont mind occasionally searching through directories for a file - you
do that whatever program you're using - just the ability to double-click
on something and *bam* there it is in SimCoupe, would be very nice
indeed.

Martin

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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Thu Jul 22 14:29:49 1999
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On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, Martin Fitzpatrick wrote:

> I dont mind occasionally searching through directories for a file - you
> do that whatever program you're using - just the ability to double-click
> on something and *bam* there it is in SimCoupe, would be very nice
> indeed.

But you already can set it up such that double-clicking on an image
launches SimCoupe and mounts it on drive 1. Is that not the closest
equivalent of turning the Sam on and putting the disk in?

If we're not interested in closest equivalents, then Sim-coupe get a bit
pointless... It's not that I want "awkward loading procedures" emulated
(surely pressing F9 is not awkward, even if entering the pathname for the
disk image may be). I just don't think it is useful to have SimCoupe
emulate anything other than the Sam Coupe.

Admittedly it doesn't press F9 for you, but then again if you insisted on
that feature it would be *much* easier to implement via a ROM hack than
literally having the host emulator "push" the button... and thanks to Ian
we've got that already.

Andrew

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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Thu Jul 22 20:14:44 1999
From: davgw@clara.co.uk (Dave Whitmore)
To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
Subject: Re: SimCoupe : wide spread? (was New: SimCoupe 0.783a...)
Date: 	Thu, 22 Jul 1999 19:05:59 GMT
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On the subject of autoboot, yep, I'm very much in favour so long as
it's optional. Ideally with a virtual hard drive if no disk is in fd1.
I don't think there's anything wrong in making improvments to an
emulated SAM in this way, so long as there are options to make it
behave authentically when needed.

Okay, someone yell at me. :-)




Bye for now,

Dave

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Thu Jul 22 20:38:17 1999
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Dave Whitmore wrote:

>Okay, someone yell at me. :-)

I won't yell at you. I only yell at people who are wrong... Actually, I
don't really yell at them, but the words don't come out quite right. :-)

As long as it's an option, you can do whatever the hell you like with
SimCoupe.
-- 
Stuart Brady

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Fri Jul 23 23:19:50 1999
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From: "Jonathan Bristow" <arc@twilighte.demon.co.uk>
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Oooer, Sam Peeps...
I need some help...
I have recently acquired a 512K SAM COUPE from a blokey in Ireland. All
intact except for the internal Disc drive that is Knackered! (Broken).
Does anyone know where i might acquire a replacement?
I understand that these slimline drives are not produced anymore but
naturally still require one (or two (yum yum)) to get the thing working
again.
I would also be very interested in knowing about any expansion kits.
Such as Hard Drives, CDROMS, Joystick Splitters, External Drive interfaces
etc...

And now for a zillion other questions...

Was a mouse produced for the Sam or does it use some standard one?

Where might i get Lemmings or any other games for the SAM?
(On Disc for the real thing!)
What games where done for the SAM?

Has anyone got the curcuit diagram for the SAM motherboard?

Is the SAA109 (I think) Memory Mapped? or if not, how is it addressed?

Can the SAM take a standard ATARI joystick in its Joystick point (As it
stands)?

Has the SAM got HARDWARE Sprites, Smooth Scrolling, raster register etc. I
noticed that the BASIC has Smooth Scrolling commands but is this software
driven?

Can one convert the Discs downloadable from the NET (Freeware ones only
ofcourse) into real SAM discs?

I have probably missed out loads of Questions, and will ask again for sure.


From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Fri Jul 23 23:19:50 1999
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Darn, my name by the way is Jonathan, code name Twilighte
This is in respect to the previous zillions of me own questionable Queries!

Twilighte

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sat Jul 24 01:05:29 1999
From: Jarek Adamski <yarek@sp7.zsk.p.lodz.pl>
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Hello to all active SAM-users!!!




The last version of WINGUIDE can be found on:

"http://tatooine.fortunecity.com/falcon/183"

The e-mail of its author is: steve@intech.co.uk














Ps. This program can be used to read "ZXVGS.guide", a bit too
technical description of revolutionary operating system for all
ZX Spectrum compatibile computers.

--
Yarek.

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>Does anyone know where i might acquire a replacement?

I'd normally recommand Bob Brenchley at Format, but he's been rather quiet
recently and very difficult to contact. I don't know a current email
address.

>I understand that these slimline drives are not produced anymore but
>naturally still require one (or two (yum yum)) to get the thing working
>again.

It is possible to connect a more standard disk drive, but this requires
some sort of modification to the motherboard... again it would have been
Bob who sorted out that sort of thing, but perhaps someone else on the list
can give an alternative contact?

>I would also be very interested in knowing about any expansion kits.
>Such as Hard Drives, CDROMS, Joystick Splitters, External Drive interfaces
>etc...

The "Atom" internal IDE hard disk interface, was designed by (I think)
Edwin Blink, who subscribes to this list, and is sold by Persona,
http://www.persona.clara.net/

Note that Persona have temporarily paused business, due to the recent
tragic death of organizer Malcolm MacKenzie.

>And now for a zillion other questions...
>
>Was a mouse produced for the Sam or does it use some standard one?

A mouse *interface* was produced, which translates signals from an
Atari-type mouse into something the Sam can more easily understand.

>Where might i get Lemmings or any other games for the SAM?
>(On Disc for the real thing!)

Not sure about that at the moment actually. I would have said Fred, but
that fell apart some months ago. I gather Persona were going to pick up the
pieces, but no news so far.

>What games where done for the SAM?

Take a look at http://mnemotech.ucam.org/zodiac.html - the "Second Opinion"
articles are reviews of most of the early commercial Sam games.

>Has anyone got the curcuit diagram for the SAM motherboard?

IIRC schematic diagrams appeared in the technical manual.

>Is the SAA109 (I think) Memory Mapped? or if not, how is it addressed?

Using IO ports 511 (register) and 255 (value).

>Can the SAM take a standard ATARI joystick in its Joystick point (As it
>stands)?

Yes.

>Has the SAM got HARDWARE Sprites, Smooth Scrolling, raster register etc. I
>noticed that the BASIC has Smooth Scrolling commands but is this software
>driven?

No, scrolling must be implemented entirely in software.

I'm not sure what you're referring to by "raster register"; it *is*
possible on the Sam to determine the current position of the TV raster
scan, and you can also set interrupts to occur at the beginning of
particular lines.

>Can one convert the Discs downloadable from the NET (Freeware ones only
>ofcourse) into real SAM discs?

Yes, it is easy to do this on a PC. Under windows use samdsk; under Linux
use dd.

I assume you're familiar with the ftp site at
ftp://ftp.nvg.ntnu.no/pub/sam-coupe/

>I have probably missed out loads of Questions, and will ask again for sure.

Feel free to ask!

Andrew

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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sat Jul 24 11:27:10 1999
From: "Paul Walker" <paul@black-sun.demon.co.uk>
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> The last version of WINGUIDE can be found on:
> "http://tatooine.fortunecity.com/falcon/183"

Umm .. and this is useful to us why, exactly? :-)

Paul
--
Next up:  Jesus tells the meek they've got no chance and should take
 up thai kickboxing.
 -- Iain Rowan in soc.culture.welsh

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Mon Jul 26 09:08:29 1999
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From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dan_Door=E9?= <dan@armature.com>
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> I would also be very interested in knowing about any expansion kits.
> Such as Hard Drives, CDROMS, Joystick Splitters, External 
> Drive interfaces etc...

Edwin Blink (who I assume is still on the list) has produced an IDE
interface (The Atom) which attaches to the second disc drive port inside and
quite happily drives my 1.2Gb 2.5" IDE drive inside the casing, but it does
require a modified OS called BDOS
(http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/coupe/edwin/) to run the drive.  The DOS
organises the disc into 'records' which are essentially Sam disc images
stored on the hard disc.

Somebody has also attached a CDROM to this IDE interface and I know that
Martijn has coded some stuff for it (reading ZX snapshots from CD I think).

There is a pin-out for the joystick splitter in the Technical Manuel [1], or
at least a diagram showing the strobe lines.

There was an external FDD/Printer interface produced when Sam was born to
allow people to attach their PlusD/Disciple drives to the basic Sam,
although I don't know how available it is.

> And now for a zillion other questions...

Which Andrew has already covered.

Speaking of hardware, my Sam has developed a fault in it's old age, the
screen has started to judder up and down in a trance-y rhythmic pattern
which could be the video chip dying (I use RGB on SCART so the composite
stuff  is only used for sync[1]) so a new Motorola MC 1377P may be required
to make the inside of my Sam even more bionic.

Dan.

[1] IIRC

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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Mon Jul 26 09:35:42 1999
Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851BA9@mailhost.aculab.com>
From: Justin Skists <Justin.Skists@aculab.com>
To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" <sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no>
Subject: RE: WINGUIDE
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> From:	Paul Walker [SMTP:paul@black-sun.demon.co.uk]
> 
>> The last version of WINGUIDE can be found on:
>> "http://tatooine.fortunecity.com/falcon/183"
>
>Umm .. and this is useful to us why, exactly? :-)

Probably because it's used to read the documentation to understand his
speccy emulator which runs on his CPM emulator which runs on our SAMs....

(phew!)


Justin.

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Mon Jul 26 11:00:29 1999
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From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dan_Door=E9?= <dan@armature.com>
To: "'Sam Users Mailing List'" <sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no>
Subject: Real Sam Users List 26/07/1999
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Hi,

It's time to do another Real Sam Users list, you know the score - if there
are any alterations mail me.

Name                         Email Address

Adrian Francis               adrian.francis@cableinet.co.uk
Aley Keprt                   AleyKeprt@bigfoot.com
Allan Skillman               allan.skillman@arm.com
Andrew Collier               asc25@cam.ac.uk
Andrew Gale                  eep2ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk
Andrew Gallagher             andrew.gallagher@earthling.net
Andy Gale                    ee31ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk
Chris Pile                   pegasus@enterprise.net
Chris White                  chriswhite@thewhitehouse1600.freeserve.co.uk
Colin MacDonald              Gouranga@aol.com
Colin Piggot                 quazar@clara.net
Dan Doore                    dan@armature.com
Dave Hooper                  d.c.hooper@sms.ed.ac.uk
Dave Laundon                 dave@catalyst-uk.com
Dave Whitmore                davgw@clara.co.uk
David Laundon                david@laundon.freeserve.co.uk
David Munden                 davidm@enterprise.net
David Zambonini              D.M.Zambonini@cs.cf.ac.uk
Dean Liversidge              d.liversidge@uk.insight.com
Dean Liversidge              dean@error.demon.co.uk
Diggory Gray                 diggory.gray@physics.org
Fred Publishing              Fredsoft@postmaster.co.uk
Frode Tennebo                ft@edh.ericsson.se
Gary MacKenzie               gary@avtech.demon.co.uk
Gavin Smith                  gavinsmith@lineone.net
Geoffrey Bridges             geoffrey.bridges@btinternet.com
Gordon Wallis                gordon@hexdidnt.clara.net
Graham Goring                gawpo@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk
Guy Palmer                   guy.palmer@team17.com
Ian Collier                  Ian.Collier@comlab.oxford.ac.uk
Ian Dalziel                  IDalziel@idalziel.demon.co.uk
Ian Spencer                  ian.spencer@planet-interkom.de
James Gasson                 james.gasson@clear.net.nz
James R Curry                8bit@itdoesntsuck.com
Jeff Crawford                samcoupe@cadderly.demon.co.uk
Johnna Teare                 j.d.teare@uclan.ac.uk
Justin Skists                Justin.Skists@aculab.com
Lee Willis                   lee@gbdirect.co.uk
Mal MacKenzie                PersonaHQ@postmaster.co.uk
Malcolm MacKenzie            Malcolm@personahq.freeserve.co.uk
Martin Fitzpatrick           poohsticks@bonbon.net
Martin/Maria Rookyard        rookyard@btinternet.com
Neil Maynard                 neil.maynard@net.ntl.com
Neil Maynard                 mne2@freenet.co.uk
Nick Humphries               nick@the-den.clara.net
Paul Nolan                   PNolan@clubi.ie
Paul Walker                  csuan@dcs.warwick.ac.uk
Phil Glover                  PGLOVER43@aol.com
Robert Brady                 rwb197@ecs.soton.ac.uk
Robert Van Der Veeke         rjvveeke@caiw.nl
S D Birchall                 s.d.birchall@surveying.salford.ac.uk
Si Owen                      sam-users@wordcraft.co.uk
Simon Cooke                  simoncooke@earthlink.net
Simon Osborne                carbon@polarbear.swinternet.co.uk
Slawomir Grodkowski          grodkowski@metronet.de
Stefan Drissen               stefan.drissen@nl.pwcglobal.com
Stephen Harding              sh5655@bristol.ac.uk
Stewart Skardon              sskardon@argonet.co.uk
Stuart Brady                 stuart@wholehog.demon.co.uk
Thomas Harte                 T.Harte@btinternet.com
Tim Paveley                  unc@sadsnail.freeserve.co.uk
Tim Wells                    tim@twellys.demon.co.uk
Tomasz Pudlo                 tombox@katowice.pkp.com.pl
Wayne Coles                  wayne@rflect.demon.co.uk

Unknowns

richard@jowit.freeserve.co.uk
PROKES@ius.prf.cuni.cz
a.local.sam-coupe@phantech.co.uk
Sam@webnet.force9.net
dodblowme@yahoo.com
bonfieldd@breathemail.net
nomad@arcormail.de
matthewh@top2.ficnet.net.tw
swashbuckle101@hotmail.com
christinewales@tesco.net
arc@twilighte.demon.co.uk
janowska@usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl
Samsboss@Postmaster.co.uk

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Mon Jul 26 12:59:52 1999
From: "Paul Walker" <paul@black-sun.demon.co.uk>
Organization: very little
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> Probably because it's used to read the documentation to understand his
> speccy emulator which runs on his CPM emulator which runs on our SAMs....

Ah. I see.

Why would someone use that instead of a native SAM spectrum emulator? :-
)

Paul
--
Next up:  Jesus tells the meek they've got no chance and should take
 up thai kickboxing.
 -- Iain Rowan in soc.culture.welsh

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Mon Jul 26 13:24:54 1999
Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851BAF@mailhost.aculab.com>
From: Justin Skists <Justin.Skists@aculab.com>
To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" <sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no>
Subject: RE: WINGUIDE
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> From:	Paul Walker [SMTP:paul@black-sun.demon.co.uk]
> 
>> Probably because it's used to read the documentation to understand his
>> speccy emulator which runs on his CPM emulator which runs on our SAMs....
>
>Ah. I see.
>
>Why would someone use that instead of a native SAM spectrum emulator? :-
>)


Coz Jarek has his CP/M system on a number of platforms. I believe he
has written the speccy emulator to work on his CP/M emulator so he can
use it on all his hardware platforms using the same operating system.


Justin.

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Mon Jul 26 13:24:55 1999
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From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dan_Door=E9?= <dan@armature.com>
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Subject: RE: Real Sam Users List 26/07/1999
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> > Paul Walker                  csuan@dcs.warwick.ac.uk
> 
> Changed address to, er, this one. :-)

Not according to majordomo :-)

Spooky, since the black-sun.d.c.u isn't in the list returned from a 'who
sam-users' - redirections at Warwick?

D.

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Mon Jul 26 14:36:12 1999
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From: "Rob Smith" <swashbuckle101@hotmail.com>
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>Hi,
>
>It's time to do another Real Sam Users list, you know the score - if there
>are any alterations mail me.
>

Hi, just to help complete your list a little my names Robert Smith and I'm 
at the mail address swashbuckle101@hotmail.com.

I am not a frequent Sam User but when I get a chance I love using it as I 
think it's a great and user friendly computer.

A quick question, A few years back Fred or one of the other mags mentioned a 
strategic battle game being written for the sam, kind of like chaos or 
warcraft I guess.  anyone know what this was called and if it is still 
available.

Rob


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From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Mon Jul 26 15:39:59 1999
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:39:59 +0100
From: Ian Collier <imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk>
To: 'Sam Users Mailing List' <sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no>
Subject: Re: Eeeek!
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On Mon, Jul 26, 1999 at 08:53:22AM +0100, Dan Dooré wrote:
> Speaking of hardware, my Sam has developed a fault in it's old age, the
> screen has started to judder up and down in a trance-y rhythmic pattern
> which could be the video chip dying (I use RGB on SCART so the composite
> stuff  is only used for sync[1]) so a new Motorola MC 1377P may be required
> to make the inside of my Sam even more bionic.

I shouldn't think a new 1377 will do you any good if you are using the RGB
output.

imc

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Mon Jul 26 16:16:07 1999
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From: "Simon Osborne" <carbon@polarbear.swinternet.co.uk>
To: <sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no>
References: <19990726131936.68205.qmail@hotmail.com>
Subject: How do I transfere files from PC onto a Sam disk??
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This is really bugging me

I have downloaded E-Tracker for the Sam, and I am using it with Sim Coupe.
Also on the page, there was a load of mods for E Tracker. I downloaded them
all, now I can't figure out how to get them onto a Sam Disk so I can make a
disk image.

Is there a program i need??

Can anyone help me??

Simon

ps. In the style of YS, HAYLP!!! :)

e: simon@polarbear.swinternet.co.uk
w: http://www.polarbear.swinternet.co.uk



From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Mon Jul 26 16:51:13 1999
Message-ID: <002001bed76d$d23442c0$0100007f@.demon.co.uk>
From: "Paul Walker" <paul@black-sun.demon.co.uk>
To: <sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no>
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> > Changed address to, er, this one. :-)
> Not according to majordomo :-)

Oh, that minor thing...

> Spooky, since the black-sun.d.c.u isn't in the list returned from a
'who
> sam-users' - redirections at Warwick?

Hm. Yeah, the dcs one is sort of redirected here, but I changed the
subscription to point here, I thought.  At least, what *should* happen
if you mail csuan@dcs.warwick.ac.uk is that you get a semi-bounce back,
which says "He's gone, try paul@black-sun".

Ta anyway, will investigate that.

Paul
--
To email me, change nospam to black-sun.

"Wouldn't it be much worse if life were fair, and all the terrible
things that
happen to us come because we actually deserve them? So now I take great
comfort in the general hostility and unfairness of the universe."
 -- Marcus Cole, Babylon 5


From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Mon Jul 26 16:51:13 1999
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From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dan_Door=E9?= <dan@armature.com>
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Subject: RE: Eeeek!
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> I shouldn't think a new 1377 will do you any good if you are 
> using the RGB output.

So does that mean it *doesn't* use any composite sync stuff as well as the
RGB?

If it's not that I have no idea what the hell is going on with it, I can't
test the UHF output since my modulator went for a Burton years ago.

New Sam time methinks.

Dan.

From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Mon Jul 26 17:02:10 1999
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 17:02:10 +0100
From: Ian Collier <imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk>
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Subject: Re: Eeeek!
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On Mon, Jul 26, 1999 at 04:16:23PM +0100, Dan Dooré wrote:
> > I shouldn't think a new 1377 will do you any good if you are 
> > using the RGB output.

> So does that mean it *doesn't* use any composite sync stuff as well as the
> RGB?

It will use the "composite sync" output.  But that's got nothing to do with
"composite video" and I don't think it is the 1377 which creates it (in fact
it's probably an input to the 1377).

imc

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Mon Jul 26 17:51:48 1999
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From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dan_Door=E9?= <dan@armature.com>
To: "'Sam Users Mailing List'" <sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no>
Subject: Sam Repair or Purchase (Was: RE: Eeeek!)
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> > So does that mean it *doesn't* use any composite sync stuff 
> > as well as the RGB?
> 
> It will use the "composite sync" output.  But that's got 
> nothing to do with "composite video" and I don't think it is the
> 1377 which creates it (in fact it's probably an input to the 1377).

Super.

Anybody know where I can get my Sam repaired, or prepared to sell me a good
condition one for about, say, £80.

Dan.

Work: dan@armature.com
Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk
VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/

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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Thu Jul 29 00:07:44 1999
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Stupid address I know -Carter fan till I die.

So, what's been happening here since I last tapped in? Update me =
please...anyt news on Win32 Simcoupe?

Anybody else on freeserve? It's the only one I could get online with =
today - if you're there, please tell me what it's like and if you know =
anywhere better I can get free ISP access.

But mainly SAM stuff of course.

Cheers,,

Johnna

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last tapped=20
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course.</FONT></DIV>
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From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Thu Jul 29 01:14:03 1999
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 01:14:03 +0100
From: Ian Collier <imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk>
To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
Subject: Re: Hello again...
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On Thu, Jul 29, 1999 at 12:18:11AM +0100, Johnna Teare wrote:
> Anybody else on freeserve?

I use it when I'm not in Oxford and it seems fine.  Also I have a small
amount of inside knowledge (make that a very small amount) and it seems
like a well-set-up service.

imc

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Thu Jul 29 09:37:28 1999
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On Thu, 29 Jul 1999, Johnna Teare wrote:

> So, what's been happening here since I last tapped in? Update me
> please...anyt news on Win32 Simcoupe? 

Well, there's been a huge argument about it...

But apart from that, no not really. Si's still working on Win32 SimCoupe.

BTW What hapenned to your webpage? dmoz.org told me it'd disappeared and I
had to remove it from the list...
http://dmoz.org/Computers/Software/Operating_Systems/Sinclair/SAM_Coupé/

> Anybody else on freeserve? It's the only one I could get online with
> today - if you're there, please tell me what it's like and if you know
> anywhere better I can get free ISP access. 

Actually we're using BT Clickfree at home - there's a monthly charge of
around 10 UKP, but for that you get really-free access at weekends. And
considering we generally max out our 56k modem for about 40hours each
weekend, it does work out a lot cheaper that the "free" ISPs.

Andrew

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From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Thu Jul 29 10:48:33 1999
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:48:33 +0100
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On Thu, Jul 29, 1999 at 09:32:16AM +0100, Andrew Collier wrote:
> Actually we're using BT Clickfree at home - there's a monthly charge of
> around 10 UKP, but for that you get really-free access at weekends. And
> considering we generally max out our 56k modem for about 40hours each
> weekend, it does work out a lot cheaper that the "free" ISPs.

That sounds rather intriguing (not that it affects me because I already have
free phone calls at weekends).  Why haven't I heard of it?  LineOne, AOL and
Compuserve have all sent me CDs.  Several, in fact.

You'd think they would have a web site, but no: www.btclickfree.net,
www.btclickfree.co.uk and www.btclickfree.com all point to the same site
as www.btclick.com which is BT's "charge added to your phone bill" ISP (at
least that's what I think it is, even though a link found on that site says
"free internet access").  Whereas www.clickfree.net is owned by someone who
is just selling domain names, and www.clickfree.co.uk points to an anti-BT
site which says (in the ALT text of an image of a shark) "BT Click-Free?
Boy, you gotta be kidding" and does not, as far as I can tell, bother to
explain that remark.

Actually, the service you describe sounds as though it would be disallowed
by the monopolies and mergers commission.

imc

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>On Thu, Jul 29, 1999 at 09:32:16AM +0100, Andrew Collier wrote:
>> Actually we're using BT Clickfree at home - there's a monthly charge of
>> around 10 UKP, but for that you get really-free access at weekends. And
>> considering we generally max out our 56k modem for about 40hours each
>> weekend, it does work out a lot cheaper that the "free" ISPs.


<snip>

>Actually, the service you describe sounds as though it would be disallowed
>by the monopolies and mergers commission.

Nah, ClaraNET have started something similar (Can't remember the name of the
service - Freecall?). One of the new packages is that if you pay an extra 11.75
a month, you get unlimited free weekend calls, and there are other packages
which deal with weekdays, limited free hours, etc... See http://www.clara.net as
I expect they'll have a big announcement about it.

It's an amazing development, an ingenious solution to the problems of not having
free local phone calls.

Nick



From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Thu Jul 29 12:08:12 1999
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On Thu, Jul 29, 1999 at 11:43:10AM +0100, Nick Humphries wrote:
> From: Ian Collier <Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk>
> >Actually, the service you describe sounds as though it would be disallowed
> >by the monopolies and mergers commission.

> Nah, ClaraNET have started something similar

That's different.  The point about the other service is that BT runs it: if
they are doing it by cross-subsidising their ISP from profits made on phone
calls then this would be deemed unfair competition and disallowed.  That is
the irony of the non-free BT click service: while Freeserve is allowed to
get a cut of the money you pay to BT for your local call, BT click is not -
hence their need to charge you an extra penny per minute on top of the call
cost.

>                                                      See http://www.clara.net as
> I expect they'll have a big announcement about it.

Well they do, but it doesn't tell you how they achieve it.  Do you call
them up on your normal BT line or what?

imc

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Thu Jul 29 12:22:57 1999
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On Thu, 29 Jul 1999, Ian Collier wrote:

> Actually, the service you describe sounds as though it would be disallowed
> by the monopolies and mergers commission.

On what grounds? We don't have a BT phone line, we're on Cambridge Cable.
The only money BT get from us is the monthly charge, and a share of the
profit when we call their 0845 weekday number.

Actually, I may have got the name wrong (there are so many, these days...
and it wasn't actually me who sorted it all out.) www.btinternet.com seems
to describe it as "Plan Unlimited"...

They reserve the right to cut you off after a single call of two hours,
but we've found that often doesn't happen. They generally don't cut you
off at exactly midnight on Sunday either, in fact we've had up to 56 hours
of a PPP session during the 48 hour free period!

Andrew

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From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Thu Jul 29 12:39:06 1999
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On Thu, Jul 29, 1999 at 12:09:33PM +0100, Andrew Collier wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Jul 1999, Ian Collier wrote:

> > Actually, the service you describe sounds as though it would be disallowed
> > by the monopolies and mergers commission.

> On what grounds? 

Depends how it's funded.  I am genuinely curious to know how a company can
stay afloat offering 192 hours of free 0800-number access and any number of
hours of normal access for 11 pounds.  How much does an 0800 call actually
cost the company?

imc

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From: Ian Collier <Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk>


>On Thu, Jul 29, 1999 at 11:43:10AM +0100, Nick Humphries wrote:
>>                                                      See http://www.clara.net
as
>> I expect they'll have a big announcement about it.
>
>Well they do, but it doesn't tell you how they achieve it.  Do you call
>them up on your normal BT line or what?

Here's what I know from memory...

(Now that's a useless phrase, isn't it? What would I know that isn't stored in
my memory?)

This is how I understand it, and it's a bit wooly, but bear with me.

FreeTime is available to BT phone customers only, and looks to stay that way.
You call the usual number you do to log on, and, if your phone number is on some
sort of list, that call is redirected elsewhere so that you can be billed
properly - i.e. Freetime soaks up whatever discount you have before the
redirection is disabled (i.e. you use up all your 80 hours or whatever package
limits there are). The downside of this is that you can only access ClaraNET
using FreeTime from a single BT phone number, but for most people that's no big
deal.

Most of this is irrelevant to the end-user though. All they need to know is they
pay a bit extra and they get lots of free time and save money on phone bills.

Nick


From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Thu Jul 29 13:05:07 1999
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From: Ian Collier <Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk>


>Depends how it's funded.  I am genuinely curious to know how a company can
>stay afloat offering 192 hours of free 0800-number access and any number of
>hours of normal access for 11 pounds.  How much does an 0800 call actually
>cost the company?


The trick appears to be to not use an 0800 number. So long as you keep records
of who accesses from where for how long and what deal they have (Claranet
already does this for one of their tariffs), you can pass this info on to BT
who'll make the correct deductions from your bill.

Nick


From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Thu Jul 29 13:23:15 1999
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On Thu, 29 Jul 1999, Nick Humphries wrote:

> From: Ian Collier <Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk>
> 
> > How much does an 0800 call actually
> >cost the company?
> 
> The trick appears to be to not use an 0800 number.

But this service *does* use an 0800 number....

Andrew

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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Thu Jul 29 13:23:16 1999
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From: Andrew Collier <asc25@cam.ac.uk>


>On Thu, 29 Jul 1999, Nick Humphries wrote:
>
>> From: Ian Collier <Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk>
>> 
>> > How much does an 0800 call actually
>> >cost the company?
>> 
>> The trick appears to be to not use an 0800 number.
>
>But this service *does* use an 0800 number....


ClaraNET's doesn't. BT's might do, but then they have every right to.

Nick



From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Thu Jul 29 14:26:30 1999
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On Thu, Jul 29, 1999 at 12:56:06PM +0100, Nick Humphries wrote:
> From: Ian Collier <Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk>
> >                                       How much does an 0800 call actually
> >cost the company?

> The trick appears to be to not use an 0800 number. 

As has been pointed out, I was referring to the BT service which does use an
0800 number.  If BT Internet doesn't pay a charge to the teleco branch of BT
for the use of this 0800 number then, from what I understand, this could be
viewed as unfair competition.  (I am working more or less on hearsay evidence
though, I should admit.)

>                                                    So long as you keep records
> of who accesses from where for how long and what deal they have (Claranet
> already does this for one of their tariffs), you can pass this info on to BT
> who'll make the correct deductions from your bill.

But then you presumably have to pay BT to do this, so where do you get
the cash from?  Is this scheme necessarily cheaper than just using an
0800 number, or is that just so that Claranet can limit the number of
free hours?

imc

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Thu Jul 29 16:38:05 1999
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>On Thu, Jul 29, 1999 at 12:56:06PM +0100, Nick Humphries wrote:
>> From: Ian Collier <Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk>
>> >                                       How much does an 0800 call actually
>> >cost the company?
>
>> The trick appears to be to not use an 0800 number.
>
>As has been pointed out, I was referring to the BT service which does use an
>0800 number.  If BT Internet doesn't pay a charge to the teleco branch of BT
>for the use of this 0800 number then, from what I understand, this could be
>viewed as unfair competition.  (I am working more or less on hearsay evidence
>though, I should admit.)


Hmmm. I can't really see what the fuss is about if BT internet services use
their own 0800 numbers myself.

>>                                                    So long as you keep
records
>> of who accesses from where for how long and what deal they have (Claranet
>> already does this for one of their tariffs), you can pass this info on to BT
>> who'll make the correct deductions from your bill.
>
>But then you presumably have to pay BT to do this, so where do you get
>the cash from?

The _extra_ money you pay on top of the normal monthly subscription fee to get
the "free" phone calls. I'd be willing to bet that BT gets the lions share of
this money.

Maybe it's a compromise. Consider this: how much business would BT lose out on
if ClaraNET did this with another telco instead of BT? ClaraNET wins because it
gets more customers because they want "free phone calls". BT wins because it
gets SOME money instead of losing that bit of business to a competitor.

>Is this scheme necessarily cheaper than just using an
>0800 number,

Don't know. My gut feeling says "yes".

Nick


From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Thu Jul 29 18:25:43 1999
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> They reserve the right to cut you off after a single call of two hours,
> but we've found that often doesn't happen. They generally don't cut you
> off at exactly midnight on Sunday either, in fact we've had up to 56 hours
> of a PPP session during the 48 hour free period!

Also check out Tempo's free ISP and alternate telephone provider at 
http://www.screaming.net
--
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"The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!"

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Thu Jul 29 18:44:57 1999
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Hi,

	while tidying up a bit today, I discovered that I still have a load of
semi-complete SAM stuff I had entirely forgotten I owned. I found the
'boxes' but not the disks for the following :

	Splat!
	Pipemania
	the LERM Spectrum Emulator (SAMTape?)

	and the disks, though they don't entirely work for :

	Vegetable Vacation
	Prince of Persia
	Defenders of the Earth
	The Sound Machine

	I also found my mouse interface box, but the mouse is entirely broken.

	Though this is all irrelevant since my SAM power supply has really
given up now, and I doubt any of them would work with SIM, since they
are probably protected, I am wondering how good the games actually were?
I haven't played them since I was about 12 (when I was actually using
the fully functioning SAM), and I seem to remember them all being quite
good except for Defenders of the Earth and Vegetable Vacation. Of those
two, DOE wasn't really that bad I suppose. 

	Also, I bought most of them from a local shop, just off the high street
of Alton, Hampshire, but was always under the impression from the way
that the stock seemed fairly static that I may have been the only person
buying anything SAM at all. I also remember visiting a place in
Farnborough or somewhere like that to buy a mouse interface. How common
were shops carrying SAM equipment? I seem to remember some sort of A4
list of SAM shops I acquired from somewhere (YS or Crash!?), does that
ring any bells?

	I also found a lot of inlays for FRED games (The Bulgulators, Parallax,
Dyzonium and Waterworks) which I never owned but am under the impression
I was sent as a sort of advertising thing. Adding these to the inlays I
also have for Hexxagonia (which I still have and works) and Splat!,
would anybody be interested in me getting the energy up to do some
scanning? Just thought someone might have the sudden want to have the
coverart reproduced somewhere.

		-Thomas

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Thu Jul 29 21:38:01 1999
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Subject: I would love to play some games...
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I have already asked some questions regarding the SAM. And i think you all
for replying so soon.
I still have had no luck in obtaining a 3.5" Drive. I posted an e-mail to
Persona which is still yet to be replied to.
Have any of you lot got a spare Drive they can sell me?
Was the Internal Drive the same one as MGT apparently made for the Plus D
interface?
I am eager, very eager to get the Sam fired up again, and also eager to
catch up on all the old software. I have got SIMCOUPE but (IMHO) found it to
be the worst Emulator i have ever used (Or maybe its just me). Also, since i
have the real thing, i would far prefer to use it and even buy the software.
Can Anyone help?

Respect
Twilighte

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Thu Jul 29 21:52:42 1999
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Erm...my website has moved. It should sit at:
www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk

which is a bit of a mouthful really.

So who's around here over the summer then? The usual lot?

Peace Love and Kisses,
[JohnnaPig Teare]
[johnnapig@theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk]
[www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk]

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Thu Jul 29 22:03:12 1999
From: "Robert van der Veeke" <rjvveeke@caiw.nl>
To: <sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no>
Subject: Re: I would love to play some games...
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> Van: Jonathan Bristow <arc@twilighte.demon.co.uk>
> Aan: SAM Mailing List <sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no>
> Onderwerp: I would love to play some games...
> Datum: Thursday, July 29, 1999 10:31
> 
> I have already asked some questions regarding the SAM. And i think you
all
> for replying so soon.
> I still have had no luck in obtaining a 3.5" Drive. I posted an e-mail to
> Persona which is still yet to be replied to.

David where are you?

> Have any of you lot got a spare Drive they can sell me?

Sadly no

> Was the Internal Drive the same one as MGT apparently made for the Plus D
> interface?

No, whatsit called "Drive" used a standard shugart connection, if you have
the External Disk Interface than you could hook one up, but it would be
still drive two resulting in if i am correct booting-problems.

I have EDI but it is not for sale, although i don't use the extern disk
anymore since i have the atom it is stil a printer port and the EDDAC has
been bolted on to it.

> I am eager, very eager to get the Sam fired up again, and also eager to
> catch up on all the old software. I have got SIMCOUPE but (IMHO) found it
to
> be the worst Emulator i have ever used (Or maybe its just me). Also,
since i
> have the real thing, i would far prefer to use it and even buy the
software.
> Can Anyone help?

Ouch :)

-- 
Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics
[rjvveeke@caiw.nl]
Currently listening to : BGC Tokyo 2040 - OST1

The trick to walking upright is not to use your knuckles.

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Fri Jul 30 04:40:30 1999
From: "James R Curry" <James@curry.com>
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From:           	"Johnna Teare" <johnna@theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk>
To:             	<sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no>
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Date sent:      	Thu, 29 Jul 1999 21:50:08 +0100
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> Erm...my website has moved. It should sit at:
> www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk
> 
> which is a bit of a mouthful really.
> 
> So who's around here over the summer then? The usual lot?

I am, as usual.  :)

--
James R Curry - James@curry.com

"The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!"

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Fri Jul 30 09:56:31 1999
From: <stefan.drissen@nl.pwcglobal.com>
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 30 Jul 1999 04:31:07 -0400 (EDT)
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Date: 	Fri, 30 Jul 1999 10:35:31 +0200
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Robert wrote:

>No, whatsit called "Drive" used a standard shugart connection, if you have
>the External Disk Interface than you could hook one up, but it would be
>still drive two resulting in if i am correct booting-problems.

In the external disk interface there is a jumper allowing you to select
which
drive you want it to be - you can therefore use the EDI as your boot drive.

BTW Robert, any chance of you e-mailing me a copy of Martijn's hard drive
version of the mod player?


From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Fri Jul 30 10:09:26 1999
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From: Justin Skists <Justin.Skists@aculab.com>
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>BTW Robert, any chance of you e-mailing me a copy of Martijn's hard drive
>version of the mod player?


Getting hold of the floppy version would be good enough for me... :)


Justin

From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Fri Jul 30 15:34:16 1999
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 15:34:16 +0100
From: Ian Collier <imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk>
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On Thu, Jul 29, 1999 at 04:13:43PM +0100, Nick Humphries wrote:
> Hmmm. I can't really see what the fuss is about if BT internet services use
> their own 0800 numbers myself.

Not my rules, guv.

However, the theory goes that if BT Internet does not have to pay for its
0800 number then it is using its position as a branch of BT unfairly (unfair
in the sense that any other ISP would have to pay for the number).

> Maybe it's a compromise. Consider this: how much business would BT lose out on
> if ClaraNET did this with another telco instead of BT? ClaraNET wins because it
> gets more customers because they want "free phone calls". BT wins because it
> gets SOME money instead of losing that bit of business to a competitor.

Well, I don't know how much a local-rate phone call actually costs BT to
run, but presumably it is non-zero.  It also costs Clara to maintain the
modems and pay for its transatlantic link.  It just seemed unlikely to me
that the extra cash would cover it.

imc

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-----Original Message-----
From: Ian Collier <Ian.Collier@comlab.ox.ac.uk>
To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no <sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no>
Date: 30 July 1999 15:50
Subject: Re: Hello again...


>On Thu, Jul 29, 1999 at 04:13:43PM +0100, Nick Humphries wrote:
>
>> Maybe it's a compromise. Consider this: how much business would BT lose out
on
>> if ClaraNET did this with another telco instead of BT? ClaraNET wins because
it
>> gets more customers because they want "free phone calls". BT wins because it
>> gets SOME money instead of losing that bit of business to a competitor.
>
>Well, I don't know how much a local-rate phone call actually costs BT to
>run, but presumably it is non-zero.  It also costs Clara to maintain the
>modems and pay for its transatlantic link.  It just seemed unlikely to me
>that the extra cash would cover it.


Nothing to lose any sleep over. ClaraNET aren't losing anything since the
standard subscription fee covers their costs, and BT earns something like £100
clear profit a second anyway. I just think BT is forced to cut their losses
(losing a bit of money in phone charges is better than losing the custom of a
large ISP), and ClaraNET took advantage of that fact.

Nick



From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Fri Jul 30 18:44:46 1999
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Thomas Harte wrote:
> Hi,
> 
>         while tidying up a bit today, I discovered that I still have a load of
> semi-complete SAM stuff I had entirely forgotten I owned. I found the
> 'boxes' but not the disks for the following :

I have seen / played several of these games, but don't actually own them
myself.

>         Splat!
>         Pipemania

Pipemania is an immensly cool game, in my opinion, especially with 2
players. The screen is divided into squares, and you have to arrange the
supplied pipe segments in the squares, to join the supply pipe with the
drain pipe before the water (oil?) is turned on. The best part is when
the water has started, and the pipe isn't finished yet. You're racing to
put each piece of pipe in place before the water gets there, so you've
got no time to worry about whether it's going in the right direction. 
:-)  Can't remember exactly how the 2 player part works though.

>         the LERM Spectrum Emulator (SAMTape?)
> 
>         and the disks, though they don't entirely work for :
> 
>         Vegetable Vacation

I found this one too hard. I think you could only control the direction
of the leading vegetable when it was against a wall. It was really
frustrating when I decided to leave the wall at the wrong time. I could
see the vegetable floating towards its doom, and wasn't able to do
anything about it. It didn't stop me trying though. It was great when I
managed to get onto a new screen. The graphics were really fun, it
reminded me a lot of Jet Set Willy.

>         Prince of Persia

It looked and sounded better than the version I had played on the IBM
PCs at school. However, there were 2 things that conspired to make it
less playable. For one, the 'careful' steps were not as careful. (On the
IBM version, if you were holding down the Shift button, you could walk
right up to the edge, and then take one more step. The prince would put
his foot out into the air, and look like he was going to topple off,
then recover his balance. But on the Sam version, even if you were
holding down the Shift button, the prince would still walk right off the
edge of a platform, just a bit more slowly.) And the other was that it
did not have a save feature.

>         Defenders of the Earth

I never got anywhere in this game. I could only get to a few screens,
and where ever I went, a little robot would come onto the screen and
kill me. Obviously I was missing something.

>         The Sound Machine
> 
>         I also found my mouse interface box, but the mouse is entirely broken.
> 
>         Though this is all irrelevant since my SAM power supply has really
> given up now, and I doubt any of them would work with SIM, since they
> are probably protected, I am wondering how good the games actually were?
> I haven't played them since I was about 12 (when I was actually using
> the fully functioning SAM), and I seem to remember them all being quite
> good except for Defenders of the Earth and Vegetable Vacation. Of those
> two, DOE wasn't really that bad I suppose.

I know what you mean. I can remember playing 'Fort Apolycopse'(sp?) on a
friend's Commodore when I was about 12. What stuck in my mind was how
absolutely huge the sprites were. A few years ago, I downloaded a
Commodore emulator and a copy of the game, and was really surprised that
the sprites weren't nearly as big as I had thought. (Not that this
belongs on the Sam mailing list, but)

[snip]


-- 
James Gasson

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Fri Jul 30 23:27:05 1999
From: "Paul Walker" <paul@black-sun.demon.co.uk>
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> standard subscription fee covers their costs, and BT earns something like £100
> clear profit a second anyway. I just think BT is forced to cut their losses

It's a figure that's often thrown about, but it isn't 100quid in clear profit per 
second. It is (or was) more like 60 quid, and that's gross, before taxes, 
maintenance, wages etc go out of it.

Paul
--
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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sat Jul 31 00:30:27 1999
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From: "Dave Hooper" <dave@pie-and-chips.freeserve.co.uk>
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> So who's around here over the summer then? The usual lot?

I'm still here. Albeit with yet another new email address so I won't be
offended if no-one recognises me ...
Address books come and address books go ... if Si Owen's still reading,
could he let me know how he's getting on with Sim32 or WinCoupe or whatever
it's called? Got sound working? Same would go for Simon Cooke (is he still
reading sam-users?)

dave

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James Gasson wrote:
>>         Pipemania
>
>Pipemania is an immensly cool game, in my opinion, especially with 2
>players. The screen is divided into squares, and you have to arrange the
>supplied pipe segments in the squares, to join the supply pipe with the
>drain pipe before the water (oil?)

Flooz, IIRC.

> is turned on. The best part is when
>the water has started, and the pipe isn't finished yet. You're racing to
>put each piece of pipe in place before the water gets there, so you've
>got no time to worry about whether it's going in the right direction.
>:-)  Can't remember exactly how the 2 player part works though.

Each player has their own queue of pieces, and control their own cursor to
place them. You're supposed to work together top make a longer pipe, but it
generally doesn't work that way - a competitive player will try to make
sure that the Flooz goes through his own pieces and not his opponent's
pieces, that way his opponent loses all his points at the end of the round.
Since it's so easy to sabotage your opponent's pipeline, the game tends to
get old fast...

<plug> And for more details about this and other games, why not visit
http://mnemotech.ucam.org/zodiac.html
"Second Opinion" - Coming Soon to a browser near you. </plug>

Andrew

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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sat Jul 31 03:45:22 1999
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From: Dave Hooper <dave@pie-and-chips.freeserve.co.uk>
> > So who's around here over the summer then? The usual lot?
>
> I'm still here. Albeit with yet another new email address so I won't be
> offended if no-one recognises me ...
> Address books come and address books go ... if Si Owen's still reading,
> could he let me know how he's getting on with Sim32 or WinCoupe or
whatever
> it's called? Got sound working? Same would go for Simon Cooke (is he still
> reading sam-users?)

Yup, I'm still here :)

BTW: I've recently left Microsoft and am starting a new job at Sierra
software soon... but not in games; basically, I'll be the senior developer
of their family tree software... I'm just itching to start on it :) [Hurrah!
a company which lets me use all my skills!].

Dave ... wanna pass on all that stuff again? I've lost everything I had on
file - sorry :(

Si

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sat Jul 31 08:18:36 1999
From: "Robert van der Veeke" <rjvveeke@caiw.nl>
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> Van: Simon Cooke <simoncooke@earthlink.net>
> Aan: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
> Onderwerp: Re: website nwe address
> Datum: Saturday, July 31, 1999 4:34

> Yup, I'm still here :)
> 
> BTW: I've recently left Microsoft and am starting a new job at Sierra
> software soon... but not in games; basically, I'll be the senior
developer
> of their family tree software... I'm just itching to start on it :)
[Hurrah!
> a company which lets me use all my skills!].

To bad it is not in games, ah well perhaps in the future :)

Maybe you could do a good word for us (Stefan and me) for a Sam version of
Larry, hahahahaa

-- 
Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics
[rjvveeke@caiw.nl]
Currently listening to : BGC Tokyo 2040 - OST1

The trick to walking upright is not to use your knuckles.

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sat Jul 31 11:55:48 1999
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Ian Collier wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Jul 29, 1999 at 12:09:33PM +0100, Andrew Collier wrote:
> > On Thu, 29 Jul 1999, Ian Collier wrote:
> 
> > > Actually, the service you describe sounds as though it would be disallowed
> > > by the monopolies and mergers commission.
> 
> > On what grounds?
> 
> Depends how it's funded.  I am genuinely curious to know how a company can
> stay afloat offering 192 hours of free 0800-number access and any number of
> hours of normal access for 11 pounds.  How much does an 0800 call actually
> cost the company?

Whatever the cost of the call would be on the other persons bill - so if
they're phoning from a place which is the other end of the country,
they're possibly paying a national call rate.  What they usually do then
is set up different 'answer points' around the country, so the most
they'll pay is a regional call rate (sometimes only a local call rate if
they cover the country well enough).  The call is just redirected
automatically to the nearest place.  Same thing happens with 0845
numbers.  Not sure how much 0800 numbers cost to set up... it seems a
bit of a cheek if they ask you to pay to have one.  But then, it is BT.

Martin Fitzpatrick
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Simon Cooke wrote:

>BTW: I've recently left Microsoft and am starting a new job at Sierra
>software soon...

How long had you been there, just about a year wasn't it? Resistance is not
futile!!  :-)

But good luck with that - hope the move goes well for you.

Perhaps you might want to edit your paragraph on
http://mnemotech.ucam.org/samusers.html ?

Andrew

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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sat Jul 31 13:28:32 1999
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Hi,

	I downloaded some games to try on my real SAM, but on trying some of
the GamesMaster games, I was reminded of an interesting phenomenon - on
my MGT 256kb SAM, all GamesMaster displayed games consist of nothing but
grey rectangles presumably where the sprites are meant to be. Is this a
common problem, and is there anything I can do to fix it? All the games
seem to work well in SIM.

		-Thomas

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Hey Si - what's with the sudden career move?

MS sounded like it was right up your street...!

Anyway - let me know what the Sierra job's all about - and more importantly, where abouts are you based..?

C.

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>Hi,
>
>	I downloaded some games to try on my real SAM, but on trying some of
>the GamesMaster games, I was reminded of an interesting phenomenon - on
>my MGT 256kb SAM, all GamesMaster displayed games consist of nothing but
>grey rectangles presumably where the sprites are meant to be. Is this a
>common problem, and is there anything I can do to fix it? All the games
>seem to work well in SIM.

Yes, GamesMaster normally expects to load its sprites in the top half of
memory; your 256K machine doesn't have those pages, and so all the sprites
are blank. SimCoupe always emulates a 512K machine, so the memory always
works there.

It's a long time since I fiddled with GamesMaster much, but I'm fairly sure
that  if you have the GamesMaster editor program, you can run in 256k
"mode" and resave the games - always assuming that 256K is actually enough
memory to store everything - then they'll owrk on a 256K Sam.

Alternatively, you can find yourself a 256K memory upgrade module :)

Andrew

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From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sat Jul 31 18:11:29 1999
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----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Dooré <dan@armature.com>
> There is a pin-out for the joystick splitter in the Technical Manuel [1],
or
> at least a diagram showing the strobe lines.

There are also details of how to do this in the technical section of the Sam
Coupe Scrapbook.  (I'd give the exact URL but the server seems to be down
atm.) http://www.mono.org/~unc/Coupe/

I've not tried it myself, all at own risk etc ;-)

....@/

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Subject: Re: Opinions on old programs, and locality of former dealers?
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> Each player has their own queue of pieces, and control their own cursor to
> place them. You're supposed to work together top make a longer pipe, but
it
> generally doesn't work that way - a competitive player will try to make
> sure that the Flooz goes through his own pieces and not his opponent's
> pieces, that way his opponent loses all his points at the end of the
round.
> Since it's so easy to sabotage your opponent's pipeline, the game tends to
> get old fast...

A lot of game reviews in the Sam Coupe Scrapbook
(http://www.mono.org/~unc/Coupe/games/ probably, can't check the blooming
server is down atm).

Just ignore the bit about where you can get them from, I suspect those
fields will just get deleted when by the time the revamp goes on-line.

....@/

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----- Original Message -----
From: Thomas Harte <T.Harte@btinternet.com>
> How common
> were shops carrying SAM equipment? I seem to remember some sort of A4
> list of SAM shops I acquired from somewhere (YS or Crash!?), does that
> ring any bells?

There was one in Bournemouth (columbia computers), which is where I bought
my sam, and DOE.  It had the disk drive, but by the time it got around to
the mouse and the like, I think the bloke may have given up.  Everything
since then I got mail order.

SamCo did have a load of people trying to sell them in other countries as
well, still got the details somewhere.

>  Adding these to the inlays I
> also have for Hexxagonia (which I still have and works) and Splat!,
> would anybody be interested in me getting the energy up to do some
> scanning? Just thought someone might have the sudden want to have the
> coverart reproduced somewhere.

Surprised no one has suggested that the cover inlays are probably still
copyright and you'd be doing someone out of some money somehow.... ;-)

....@/



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> So who's around here over the summer then? The usual lot?

Me!

....@/

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> I downloaded some games to try on my real SAM, but on trying some of
> the GamesMaster games, I was reminded of an interesting phenomenon - on
> my MGT 256kb SAM, all GamesMaster displayed games consist of nothing but
> grey rectangles presumably where the sprites are meant to be. Is this a
> common problem, and is there anything I can do to fix it? All the games
> seem to work well in SIM.

It's a memory location thing.

>From the GamesMASTER manual:

The TOTAL GAME SIZE is the amount of computer memory used by the game, and
it is always a certain number of 16K pages, plus half a page.  This includes
a WORKSPACE, which is used for storing copies of sprites and areas of
background. (...) If it is needlessly large, you may make it impossible to
run a game developed on a 512K machine on a 256K machine, (...)

It's possible the game would run on 256K sam had this been thought about.

Have you tried reseting SimCoupe in 256K mode (hold shift, hit reset, don't
take your finger off shift until the (c) message appears.  I seem to recall
this may not help, as although the sam thinks it only has 256K, the top half
of the memory is still actually available.  Could be worth a try though.

I can't remember if we tested EGGBuM on a 256k machine.

(Aside:  A few years back I bought a 1meg expansion for my sam for roughly
twice the cost that I recently bought 64Meg for my PC)

....@/


From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sat Jul 31 19:58:16 1999
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Hi,

	I understand the tragic circumstances surrounding Malcolm Mackenzie,
however just before christmas I spoke to him by e-mail and he wrote "I
have also found a shop that has about six SAM`s right at the back of his
store shed, the only problem with this guy is he wants to make as much
money out of them that he can, I`ll just have to bend his arm a little! 
and try and get him to sell them off cheap.". He also said he "might
have a cover somewhere for the second drive slot" which I mentioned I
was missing. For some reason I don't recall, at that point the
conversation died (it was a second e-mail from him), but I am wondering
- did he ever acquire the SAMs, and can anyone else supply me with a
spare disk drive cover?

		-Thomas

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Hi,

	Having sent it already to the wrong mailing list (although thanks to
everyone here for helping me on Mode-X when I made a similar error on a
different occasion), I'd like to say:

        in about 1993 I was due to receive the schematic to make myself
a 256kb SAM upgrade, which the person who was going to send me claimed
would cost me only £8. Clearly this was less than the £40 or so they
charged then by quite a bit. However he never sent it.

        Where can I get the necessary wiring information, and would it
be any cheaper than the £12 Persona would charge?

                -Thomas

From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no  Sat Jul 31 23:08:05 1999
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From: "Dave Hooper" <dave@pie-and-chips.freeserve.co.uk>
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> can anyone else supply me with a spare disk drive cover?
>

Sure, I could. I'm sure I should still have the one that I took off when I
needed to fit the left-hand drive. I'm assuming that the left-hand cover
will fit the right-hand slot though.

dave