From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 12 00:34:44 1999 Message-ID: <001601bee494$ef33e180$6f4b8cd4@default> From: "Robert Wilkinson" To: Subject: Re: Re : SUUG Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 00:28:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 449 Lines: 26 Seems to Ring a bell. Mick Sleight had it as well. Bob.. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Whitmore To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: 11 August 1999 16:16 Subject: Re: Re : SUUG On Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:34:33 -0700 Wed, 11 Aug 99 23:35:44 BST, "Robert Wilkinson" wrote: > > >Spectrum Unemployed User Group... Didn't Derek Morgan have something to do with that too? Dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 12 00:34:44 1999 Message-ID: <001701bee494$effd4c00$6f4b8cd4@default> From: "Robert Wilkinson" To: Subject: Re: Fred n' speccy Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 00:31:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2053 Lines: 69 Did it for Spectrum then CPC6128 finally Sam. Lerm got the Credits Though.. Bob W. -----Original Message----- From: michael sleight To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: 11 August 1999 13:54 Subject: Re: Fred n' speccy >Andrew > >Try Bob Wilkinson. He did a very good debugger (excuse the language), >called SINGLE STEP, for the Speccy. I'm sure he converted it for the SAM or >was it the Amstrad. Ask him anyway, he needs a project. > > >Mick Sleight > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Andrew Collier >To: >Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 1999 8:55 AM >Subject: Re: Fred n' speccy > > >> On Wed, 11 Aug 1999, Dave Hooper wrote: >> >> > As far as I remember, there ain't no infinite lives *cheat* unless you >POKE >> > it yrself. >> > There is a level skip cheat, though. There's two versions of Manic >Miner: >> > >> > Bug Byte version: type 6031769 >> > Software Projects version: as above, but the cheat is TYPEWRITER >> >> Or three, if you count the Sam version which is the one everybody's >> talking about... neither of the above cheats work... >> >> Note that if you press the NMI (Break) Button, the words "TEST MODE" >> appear flashing at the bottom left of the scren. I remeber talking to >> David Ledbury some time ago, and he said they put that "feature" in just >> to see how many people would write to them about it, saying "I've got into >> the test mode, but nothing else changes" or whatever.... >> >> Then again, I think someone mentioned that in fact there actually was a >> cheat, but didn't say what it was. Oh well, tricky to find out at this >> stage without hacking the code. >> >> Hmmm, did somebody mention something about adding a debugger to SimCoupe? >> >> Andrew >> >> -- >> -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other >> -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a >> -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file >> -- >> >> > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 12 01:20:42 1999 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 01:04:47 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: Fred n' speccy References: <19990811111835Z49579-20447+454@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 4.01 <8OHKkEUpoELRXEckwUjJGSM0AF> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 497 Lines: 18 In message , Paul Walker writes >> problem. What about that other word I invented, "Dukelicious"? No- >> one's using it?! What a Duketastrophy! > >Mm. Sounds like The Tick was a damn sight funnier. Orders of magnitude, in >fact. No taste at all... Graham Goring -- /====================================\ | Ber-Limey! There's not even enough | |room to swing a cat in this sodding-| \=========== ICQ: 5333545 ===========/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 12 05:16:53 1999 From: "James R Curry" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 23:15:42 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Fred n' speccy In-reply-to: References: <19990811111835Z49579-20447+454@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19990812041546Z49276-10487+19@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 186 Lines: 9 > Mm. Sounds like The Tick was a damn sight funnier. Orders of magnitude, in > fact. Ahh, what do you know? ;) -- James R Curry - James@curry.com "The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!" From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 12 10:49:03 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851C22@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: Funny Thing Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:39:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 307 Lines: 11 Nah.. It was a government conspiracy. A cover-up, I tell you. :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Wilkinson [SMTP:Wilkinson40@tesco.net] > Sent: Thursday, August 12, 1999 3:53 AM > To: Sam Usergroup > Subject: Funny Thing > > Hey my eyes went funny today at about 10 past 11 > > Did yours.... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 12 10:55:39 1999 X-sendmail-revision: 29-Mar-1999 (23) by ant@tissoft.co.uk Message-ID: <021501bee4a8$a2149890$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> From: "Nick Humphries" To: Subject: Screenshots wanted Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:54:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1939 Lines: 53 Hi there! It's summer, which means lots of hot weather (maybe) and a lot of rain (definitely), but also lots of free time for a lot of you. Bored yet? If you fancy doing something fun and also something that'll help The Your Sinclair Rock'n'Roll Years, here's the perfect solution: play loads of Speccy and SAM games! The YSRnRY needs your help. We need screenshots. Lot's of 'em. We've got screens for the vast majority of the games mentioned in the first thirty issues of YS, but that's not enough - we're aiming for as close to total coverage as possible. So, send us any screenshots you have made, or, if you're feeling particularly generous, pick an issue which has missing screenshots and fill in the gaps. Owners of Speccy game CDs like the WOS CD will find this much easier as they won't have to download some games before they play them. It'll be a good idea to send me a quick email before you do an issue's worth to verify that that issue hasn't been done yet. Any picture format is welcome, so long as it isn't compressed (so GIF, PCX, BMP and PNG is OK, but JPEG isn't). It doesn't matter if the shot includes the border or not (i.e. x128 screenshots includes a bit of the BORDER, Z80 doesn't) - I'll chop out the border later. One important thing to remember is that we're after in-game screenshots, NOT loading screens, nor front-ends. Send your screenshots to @the-den.clara.net e.g. z80@the-den.clara.net x128@the-den.clara.net wibble-emu@the-den.clara.net so I can distinguish between which emu took which shot and process them accordingly. Extra screenshots should appear on the site within the two weeks after you've sent them to me. Many thanks for any help you can give me. -- - Nick Humphries, via DejaNews - - (Home email nick@the-den.clara.net) - - The Your Sinclair Rock'n'Roll Years - - http://www.the-den.clara.net/ys/cover.htm - From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 12 11:02:30 1999 Message-ID: <37B1D6AC.A9A2B6E0@bonbon.net> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:01:48 +0100 From: Martin Fitzpatrick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Funny Thing References: <00f801bee46e$09f5ed00$14468cd4@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1078 Lines: 35 Robert Wilkinson wrote: > > Hey my eyes went funny today at about 10 past 11 > > Did yours.... Yeh mine did... But that might have had something to do with me looking directly at the sun (duh). Unintentional... but I was using them glasses & then my mate handed me a different (better) pair. So, still staring at the sun I removed the first pair, not realising (duh) that the other pair wouldn't suddenly start working and position themselves in front of my eyes. Momentary stunning. Ouch. Damn. A bit of "hmm, have I gone blind". Then realising that it was just a coloured blodge in my eyes. Which faded. Having said that, it carried on for a while. Maybe it was just psycho-somatic. On a similar subject.... I was thinking - in the future when they finally get around to producing 'eye headset' things - so you can watch tv while walking around. It'll be great ..no need to go to cornwall (or wherever). Just switch on BBC and stare at the sky.... It'll be like the real thing. Martin -- Email: poohsticks@bonbon.net ICQ#: 11077801 AOL/CServeIM: Flupert From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Thu Aug 12 11:25:16 1999 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:25:16 +0100 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Funny Thing Message-ID: <19990812112516.A15460@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no References: <00f801bee46e$09f5ed00$14468cd4@default> <37B1D6AC.A9A2B6E0@bonbon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <37B1D6AC.A9A2B6E0@bonbon.net>; from Martin Fitzpatrick on Wed, Aug 11, 1999 at 09:01:48PM +0100 Status: RO Content-Length: 687 Lines: 23 On Wed, Aug 11, 1999 at 09:01:48PM +0100, Martin Fitzpatrick wrote: > Robert Wilkinson wrote: > > Hey my eyes went funny today at about 10 past 11 > > Did yours.... No. > Yeh mine did... But that might have had something to do with me looking > directly at the sun (duh). What sun? > On a similar subject.... I was thinking - in the future when they > finally get around to producing 'eye headset' things - so you can watch > tv while walking around. It'll be great ..no need to go to cornwall (or > wherever). Sassen frassen rassen. Going to Cornwall was a complete waste of time. Not a single break in the cloud. It didn't even go properly dark like they said it would. imc From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Thu Aug 12 11:35:24 1999 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:35:24 +0100 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Screenshots wanted Message-ID: <19990812113524.B15460@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no References: <021501bee4a8$a2149890$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <021501bee4a8$a2149890$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk>; from Nick Humphries on Thu, Aug 12, 1999 at 10:54:09AM +0100 Status: RO Content-Length: 328 Lines: 8 On Thu, Aug 12, 1999 at 10:54:09AM +0100, Nick Humphries wrote: > Any picture format is welcome, so long as it isn't compressed (so GIF, > PCX, BMP and PNG is OK, but JPEG isn't). But GIF, PCX and PNG are compressed. You of course meant "lossily compressed", but then JPEG is just about the only format which does that. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 12 11:48:17 1999 X-sendmail-revision: 29-Mar-1999 (23) by ant@tissoft.co.uk Message-ID: <024e01bee4af$69cbb480$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> From: "Nick Humphries" To: Subject: Re: Screenshots wanted Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:42:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 422 Lines: 15 From: Ian Collier >On Thu, Aug 12, 1999 at 10:54:09AM +0100, Nick Humphries wrote: >> Any picture format is welcome, so long as it isn't compressed (so GIF, >> PCX, BMP and PNG is OK, but JPEG isn't). > >But GIF, PCX and PNG are compressed. You of course meant "lossily >compressed", but then JPEG is just about the only format which does that. Bleah... you knew what I meant :) Nick From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 12 12:02:27 1999 Message-ID: <001b01bee4b2$0205d1c0$64a5fea9@simcooke3> From: "Simon Cooke" To: References: <021501bee4a8$a2149890$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> Subject: Re: Screenshots wanted Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 04:01:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 645 Lines: 18 From: Nick Humphries > One important thing to remember is that we're after in-game screenshots, > NOT loading screens, nor front-ends. > > Send your screenshots to @the-den.clara.net > > e.g. z80@the-den.clara.net > x128@the-den.clara.net > wibble-emu@the-den.clara.net > > so I can distinguish between which emu took which shot and process them > accordingly. Hmmm... what about screenshots that weren't taken by an emulator... like my SAM Lemmings, Prince of Persia and Exodus ones? You wouldn't happen to have a multirom@the-den.clara.net thingy set up would you? :) :) :) Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 12 12:09:39 1999 Message-ID: <002101bee4b2$24c2a440$64a5fea9@simcooke3> From: "Simon Cooke" To: References: <00f801bee46e$09f5ed00$14468cd4@default> <37B1D6AC.A9A2B6E0@bonbon.net> Subject: Re: Funny Thing Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 04:02:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 594 Lines: 12 From: Martin Fitzpatrick > Yeh mine did... But that might have had something to do with me looking > directly at the sun (duh). Unintentional... but I was using them > glasses & then my mate handed me a different (better) pair. So, still > staring at the sun I removed the first pair, not realising (duh) that > the other pair wouldn't suddenly start working and position themselves > in front of my eyes. 'sfunny... I used to stare at the sun for minutes at a time when I was younger... didn't affect me at all. ... now car headlights at night on the other hand... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 12 12:11:25 1999 X-sendmail-revision: 29-Mar-1999 (23) by ant@tissoft.co.uk Message-ID: <027301bee4b3$497e5e90$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> From: "Nick Humphries" To: Subject: Re: Screenshots wanted Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:10:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 468 Lines: 15 -----Original Message----- From: Simon Cooke > >Hmmm... what about screenshots that weren't taken by an emulator... like my >SAM Lemmings, Prince of Persia and Exodus ones? You wouldn't happen to have >a multirom@the-den.clara.net thingy set up would you? :) :) :) As it happens, I can accept ANYTHING which ends with @the-den.clara.net - means I have an automatic filing system. The PoP screenshot would come in useful though. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 12 16:34:07 1999 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 16:31:55 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@orange.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Screenshots wanted In-Reply-To: <027301bee4b3$497e5e90$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 636 Lines: 17 On Thu, 12 Aug 1999, Nick Humphries wrote: > As it happens, I can accept ANYTHING which ends with @the-den.clara.net - means > I have an automatic filing system. The PoP screenshot would come in useful > though. What about TV-card@the-den.clara.net then? I can take screenshots of programs which SimCoupe can't run, but (as has been discussed to death already) the quality isn't exactly perfect. Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 12 16:57:38 1999 From: "James R Curry" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:36:30 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Funny Thing In-reply-to: <37B1D6AC.A9A2B6E0@bonbon.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19990812153639Z49583-10487+99@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 585 Lines: 17 > On a similar subject.... I was thinking - in the future when they > finally get around to producing 'eye headset' things - so you can watch > tv while walking around. It'll be great ..no need to go to cornwall (or > wherever). Just switch on BBC and stare at the sky.... It'll be like > the real thing. They already exist. And I *WANT* some...! Although there's no BBC in these parts. Still, I can stare at the sky and see typical FOX style sleaze. Interrupted every 3 minutes for commercials... ;p -- James R Curry - James@curry.com "The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!" From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 12 16:57:39 1999 From: "James R Curry" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:36:30 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Screenshots wanted In-reply-to: <024e01bee4af$69cbb480$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19990812153639Z49578-10487+97@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 545 Lines: 21 > >On Thu, Aug 12, 1999 at 10:54:09AM +0100, Nick Humphries wrote: > >> Any picture format is welcome, so long as it isn't compressed (so GIF, > >> PCX, BMP and PNG is OK, but JPEG isn't). > > > >But GIF, PCX and PNG are compressed. You of course meant "lossily > >compressed", but then JPEG is just about the only format which does that. > > > Bleah... you knew what I meant :) > > Nick What about JPEG with the compression level set at zero? Is *THAT* alright? -- James R Curry - James@curry.com "The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!" From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 12 16:57:40 1999 From: "James R Curry" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:36:31 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Funny Thing In-reply-to: <002101bee4b2$24c2a440$64a5fea9@simcooke3> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19990812153639Z49581-10487+98@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 373 Lines: 13 > 'sfunny... I used to stare at the sun for minutes at a time when I was > younger... didn't affect me at all. > > ... now car headlights at night on the other hand... > Simon, is it me, or does your email address change so frequently that we need a slow motion instant replay to keep up with it? -- James R Curry - James@curry.com "The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!" From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 12 16:57:40 1999 X-sendmail-revision: 29-Mar-1999 (23) by ant@tissoft.co.uk Message-ID: <006801bee4da$f9e91c80$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> From: "Nick Humphries" To: Subject: Re: Screenshots wanted Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 16:54:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 327 Lines: 14 -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Collier > >What about TV-card@the-den.clara.net then? I can take screenshots of >programs which SimCoupe can't run, but (as has been discussed to death >already) the quality isn't exactly perfect. That's fine - anything is better than nothing at the moment. Nick From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 12 16:57:41 1999 X-sendmail-revision: 29-Mar-1999 (23) by ant@tissoft.co.uk Message-ID: <006f01bee4db$1a6fae10$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> From: "Nick Humphries" To: Subject: Re: Screenshots wanted Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 16:55:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 147 Lines: 11 From: James R Curry >What about JPEG with the compression level set at zero? Is *THAT* >alright? Yeah, that's fine. Nick From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Thu Aug 12 17:03:51 1999 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:03:51 +0100 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Screenshots wanted Message-ID: <19990812170351.D15460@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no References: <006f01bee4db$1a6fae10$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <006f01bee4db$1a6fae10$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk>; from Nick Humphries on Thu, Aug 12, 1999 at 04:55:30PM +0100 Status: RO Content-Length: 1176 Lines: 28 On Thu, Aug 12, 1999 at 04:55:30PM +0100, Nick Humphries wrote: > From: James R Curry > >What about JPEG with the compression level set at zero? > Yeah, that's fine. Actually I doubt that very much, so it's better avoided. There *is* such a thing as "lossless jpeg" but it's hardly ever used. The cjpeg manual page has this to say. The -quality switch lets you trade off compressed file size against quality of the reconstructed image: the higher the quality setting, the larger the JPEG file, and the closer the output image will be to the original input. [snip] -quality 100 will generate a quantization table of all 1's, minimizing loss in the quantization step (but there is still information loss in subsampling, as well as roundoff error). This setting is mainly of interest for experimental pur- poses. Quality values above about 95 are not recommended for normal use; the compressed file size goes up dramati- cally for hardly any gain in output image quality. In other words, even if you set quality to 100% the JPEG will not be identical to the original image. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 12 17:14:42 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851C34@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: Screenshots wanted Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:15:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 405 Lines: 19 Isn't JPEG with 0 compression also known as TIFF? > -----Original Message----- > From: Nick Humphries [SMTP:nhum@tissoft.co.uk] > Sent: Thursday, August 12, 1999 4:56 PM > To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Subject: Re: Screenshots wanted > > From: James R Curry > >What about JPEG with the compression level set at zero? Is *THAT* > > >alright? > > > Yeah, that's fine. > > > Nick > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 12 19:00:44 1999 Message-ID: <37B30B27.6F9A@clara.net> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:57:59 +0100 From: Gordon Wallis Organization: HEXdidn't... X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Screenshots wanted References: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851C34@mailhost.aculab.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-Keywords: X-UID: 286 Status: RO Content-Length: 1449 Lines: 30 Justin Skists wrote: > Isn't JPEG with 0 compression also known as TIFF? > No! Joint Photographic Experts Group = Tagged Image File Format? TIFF is pretty much the standard bitmap graphic format for most types of repro work - scanned images for magazines, etc. TIFFs can be compressed using LZW (Lempel Ziv Welch) compression, never JPEG compression. Also they can be saved as either RGB (screen) or CMYK (print) separated. Personally, I prefer DCS EPS as they're a lot faster to print (and can be JPEG compressed, if necessary), but that seems to place me in a minority of one, and DCS doesn't work too well in most PC apps anyway. JPEG on the other hand is a rather nasty format on the whole (IMO). Sure, it makes tiny files which don't look too bad on screen, but when printed, all the blocks of colour (are they called 'artifacts' or something strange like that?) become _really_ obvious, even with minimal compression. They're RGB only, and they take a huge length of time to decompress when printing via even the newer RIPs... In fact, most times they'd be converted into TIFFs before printing. But now I'm getting all Pre-Press Bureau Nerd-y. Gordon The Pre-Press Bureau Guy With The Acronym Fetish. -- < The HEXdidn't... Homepage: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < ------ Featuring The U.K. Policenauts Homepage ------ > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< http://www.hexdidnt.clara.net > \---------- AOL Instant Messenger: 'hexdidnt' ----------/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 12 19:10:49 1999 Message-ID: <37B30C18.6DD6@clara.net> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 19:02:00 +0100 From: Gordon Wallis Organization: HEXdidn't... X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Persona Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 640 Lines: 14 I had a call from David Ledbury earlier today asking me to remove his section from the Persona site, then a little while later to remove "the whole lot". I gather - but don't quote me on this - that it had something to do with something happening at his office today. Basically, the Persona site is down for the moment. I guess either David or I will be replacing it soon(?)... Watch this space. Gord. -- < The HEXdidn't... Homepage: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < ------ Featuring The U.K. Policenauts Homepage ------ > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< http://www.hexdidnt.clara.net > \---------- AOL Instant Messenger: 'hexdidnt' ----------/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 12 19:25:37 1999 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 19:21:56 +0100 To: Sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Ian Dalziel Subject: Re: Funny Thing References: <00f801bee46e$09f5ed00$14468cd4@default> <37B1D6AC.A9A2B6E0@bonbon.net> In-Reply-To: <37B1D6AC.A9A2B6E0@bonbon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 X-Orcpt: rfc822;Sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 403 Lines: 13 In article <37B1D6AC.A9A2B6E0@bonbon.net>, Martin Fitzpatrick writes > But that might have had something to do with me looking >directly at the sun (duh). > A bit of "hmm, have I gone blind". Seems to me, if looking momentarily at the sun made you go blind, the only idea we'd have about what it looked like would come from stories told by blind people... -- Ian Dalziel From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 12 20:05:03 1999 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 20:01:25 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Stuart Brady Subject: Re: Funny Thing In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 254 Lines: 9 Ian Dalziel wrote: >Seems to me, if looking momentarily at the sun made you go blind, the >only idea we'd have about what it looked like would come from stories >told by blind people... Your eyes _would_ be adjusted to the darkness... -- Stuart Brady From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 12 21:35:26 1999 Message-ID: <001801bee456$2304f380$e32e883e@default> From: "michael sleight" To: References: <00f501bee46e$05ee6e80$14468cd4@default> <37b2016e.42455476@relay.clara.net> Subject: Re: Re : SUUG Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 01:03:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 475 Lines: 22 Derek Morgan - That name rings a bell with me too - say more!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Whitmore To: Sent: Thursday, August 12, 1999 12:12 AM Subject: Re: Re : SUUG > On Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:34:33 -0700 Wed, 11 Aug 99 23:35:44 BST, > "Robert Wilkinson" wrote: > > > > > > >Spectrum Unemployed User Group... > > > Didn't Derek Morgan have something to do with that too? > > > Dave > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 12 23:00:23 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop3.house Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <005401bee40e$fdbc3e40$c44d883e@default> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 00:39:13 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Fred n' speccy X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1163 Lines: 28 >Andrew > >Try Bob Wilkinson. He did a very good debugger (excuse the language), >called SINGLE STEP, for the Speccy. I'm sure he converted it for the SAM or >was it the Amstrad. Ask him anyway, he needs a project. Ah, that's not quite the point - I already have a good sam-hosted single stepper (two good ones in fact... I generally use GI_Mon by Paul Horridge for that sort of thing because I like the GUI, but TurboMon is also good). But these both use part of Sam's memory, and naturally the Sam's CPU can't emulate itself at full speed (closer to 2% speed....) But something external to the Sam, that would be different... and it's exactly the sort of thing which could be tacked onto the side of SimCoupe. It would take up almost no extra system resources, it would introduce no compatibilities, and best of all it would have minimal impact on execution speed. But hey, this is all pie in the sky at the moment... Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 12 23:11:13 1999 From: "Paul Walker" Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:30:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Fred n' speccy Message-ID: References: In-reply-to: <19990812041546Z49276-10487+19@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) X-Hops: 1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2337 Lines: 50 > > Mm. Sounds like The Tick was a damn sight funnier. Orders of magnitude, in > > fact. > Ahh, what do you know? ;) Nowt, since I've never seen the critic. ;) Earthworm Jim was good too, though. == Begin JIMTAGS.TAG "Earthworm Jim, this time-time-time-time you shall not escape-cape-cape!" "Fear not, my super suit gives me the strength of a thousand tree surgeons." "Gosh darn them all to heck!" "He feels that he's a monkey trapped in the body of an ape." "I am Titania, Queeeen of the Fairies..." "I don't suppose you'd change your mind if I explained that this will ultimately lead to the end of the universe? Nah, I thought not." "I have a sudden desire to wear ... corduroy jackets with leather patches on the elbows!" "I yearn for the sweet embrace of the grave." "I'm ... a HAGGIS? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooo!" "It is done. The universe is just as it was ... except that for some reason, the main character in `Death of a Salesman' is now called Erkel. This I do not understand." "It was either love, or a stuffed-crust pizza..." "Jim, that's your pants phone, aren't you going to answer it?" - "In a sec, I'm kinda enjoying it." "Just say /no/ to running into walls." "Let's just acknowledge that I made a mistake and move on." - "Move on?! How can we move on, the entire /universe/ is destroyed!" "Okay, a dog in a dress - just take off your helmet, pinhead!" "Pat my facial hair? Please make furry ham?" - "IT'S PROFESSOR MONKEY FOR A HEAD, PMFH, PROFESSOR MONKEY FOR A HEAD!" "Peter, do you happen to have an aromatherapy kit on you?" - "By a mind- boggling coincidence, yes." "Refresh my memory, exactly why didn't I just stay in bed today?" "Test patterns get more viewers than we do!" "That is unquestionably the worst line of dialogue I've ever heard." "We'd better hurry - I think I'm starting to congeal." "We're doomed, doomed I tell you, doomed in case you weren't paying attention, doomed!" "What's that muttering about?" - "Oh, he's just going to turn into a monster and maul us." - "Kind of a drawback in a sidekick, y'know." "I have eaten my words and found them bitter as the lingering regrets of a failed love affair..." "I think they like you." -EWJim "THEY'RE DEVOURING MY FLESH!" - Peter == End Paul -- Don't *WHAM* touch *WHAM* that! *WHAM*WHAM*WHAM* -- Michael J. Peterson From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 12 23:11:13 1999 From: "Paul Walker" Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:30:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Screenshots wanted Message-ID: In-reply-to: <19990812113524.B15460@comlab.ox.ac.uk> References: <021501bee4a8$a2149890$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk>; from Nick Humphries on Thu, Aug 12, 1999 at 10:54:09AM +0100 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) X-Hops: 1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 361 Lines: 10 > But GIF, PCX and PNG are compressed. You of course meant "lossily > compressed", but then JPEG is just about the only format which does that. Anyone transporting image files around in BMP format should also be shot, for waste of space/bandwidth/time/everything. Paul -- Snorting NoDoz is not a happening scene. -- Peter Gutmann in alt.sysadmin.recovery From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 12 23:11:14 1999 From: "Paul Walker" Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:30:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Re. I hate Outlook Express. Message-ID: In-reply-to: <37B1E03B.F8A71275@ukonline.co.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) X-Hops: 1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 566 Lines: 13 > from it but not receive. Of course cough up for the full package and > you'll get that too plus killfile options. I know your probably thinking > 'can't receive emails, what a pile of rubbish' but check it out anyway > if you deal with newsgroups you won't regret it. Free Agent's okay for newsgroups (still haven't found a windows newsreader I actually like greatly, but it'll do). Pegasus is very nice for email, though, and free. (http://www.pmail.gen.nz/) Paul -- Why does the world turn? How can I stop it? -- Answers to a Few Common Questions, SCOhelp. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 12 23:17:14 1999 Message-ID: <37B3451F.C39482BC@btinternet.com> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 23:05:19 +0100 From: Thomas Harte X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-* MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Password References: <000601bee47b$62f0a140$b91eac3e@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 669 Lines: 14 > Does anyone know why Outlook Express will not remember my password. A common windows 95/98 password forgetting problem can be brought down to '.pwl' files in 'c:\windows' (or wherever) - delete your .pwl file (it is associated to whatever name you state in the 'login' window when you switch on, unless you have your system set to single desktop, in which case you should ignore the advice anyway), go around retyping all your passwords, and it may remember them this time. That is advice straight from a microsoft related USENET channel! Although, in all fairness, Microsoft do not claim to be making windows 95 and 98 as multi-user operating system. -Thomas From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 13 00:01:36 1999 Message-ID: <000701bee559$80bef1c0$8b1dac3e@default> From: "Robert Wilkinson" To: Subject: Re: Password Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 23:58:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1333 Lines: 41 Thanks for the info Thomas. I found one .pwl file and renamed the .pwl to .ppp That worked so now I will delete the file. One more problem, every time I first start up windows and then go for Outlook Express, I get a box that states "WNetGetUser returned" I can't get the dial up box until I click OK on this. Opening Outlook Express after that is OK. It only happens after Windows is first started. What is it. It happens on a friends machine as well.. Bob Wilkinson. -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Harte To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: 12 August 1999 15:15 Subject: Re: Password >> Does anyone know why Outlook Express will not remember my password. > > A common windows 95/98 password forgetting problem can be brought down to >'.pwl' files in 'c:\windows' (or wherever) - delete your .pwl file (it is >associated to whatever name you state in the 'login' window when you switch >on, unless you have your system set to single desktop, in which case you >should ignore the advice anyway), go around retyping all your passwords, and >it may remember them this time. > > That is advice straight from a microsoft related USENET channel! Although, in >all fairness, Microsoft do not claim to be making windows 95 and 98 as >multi-user operating system. > > -Thomas > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 13 00:07:08 1999 Message-ID: <00b101bee517$1ac0bd00$db41883e@atlantic> From: "Dave Hooper" To: References: Subject: WinCoupe (Was Re: Fred n' Speccy) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 23:38:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 735 Lines: 20 > It would take up almost no extra system resources, it would introduce no > compatibilities, and best of all it would have minimal impact on execution speed. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ! That'd be incompatibilities? WinCoupe or Sim32 or whateverthehellitsgonnabecalled should, I agree, feature some kind of debugger, and not even any kind of advanced one. It wouldn't be difficult, at all, to incorporate a single-stepper into such an emulator - and a popup window could show the paging registers, interrupt status and stuff, and the PC and both register sets ... (Having said that, I would be very surprised if there wasn't ALREADY some kind of single-stepping / debugging stuff in the source. Vital for emulator development, shurely) dave From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Fri Aug 13 00:34:00 1999 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 00:34:00 +0100 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: WinCoupe (Was Re: Fred n' Speccy) Message-ID: <19990813003400.C17449@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no References: <00b101bee517$1ac0bd00$db41883e@atlantic> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <00b101bee517$1ac0bd00$db41883e@atlantic>; from Dave Hooper on Thu, Aug 12, 1999 at 11:38:00PM +0100 Status: RO Content-Length: 906 Lines: 19 On Thu, Aug 12, 1999 at 11:38:00PM +0100, Dave Hooper wrote: > (Having said that, I would be very surprised if there wasn't ALREADY some > kind of single-stepping / debugging stuff in the source. Vital for emulator > development, shurely) Not really. The code for xz80 (on which SimCoupé's cpu emulation is based) contains a simple-minded thing for printing out a log of register contents (not even the code being executed), which generates a *lot* of output as the thing runs. If that was not sufficient then debugging the emulator involved using a C-debugger to set breakpoints, examine and set registers, etc. A breakpoint in the Z80 code is set by setting the C variable "breakpoint" and putting a C breakpoint at the code: if(pc==breakpoint && pc) breaks++; /* some code at which to set a breakpoint */ And all this isn't compiled in by default as it slows the emulator down. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 13 02:01:16 1999 From: "Paul Walker" Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 01:57:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Screenshots wanted Message-ID: References: <024e01bee4af$69cbb480$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> In-reply-to: <19990812153639Z49578-10487+97@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) X-Hops: 1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 307 Lines: 10 > What about JPEG with the compression level set at zero? Is *THAT* > alright? Why bother, when you could just create a file in a truly lossless format? Paul -- Damian Steele> Please defive reasonable size. Tim Parsons> nable size. Next? -- Tim Parsons and Damian Steele, COMMON-ROOM, 8th April 1999 From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 13 09:39:52 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851C36@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: Screenshots wanted Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 09:45:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 396 Lines: 18 I stand corrected.... :) (I was tired OK...?) :) Justin > -----Original Message----- > From: Gordon Wallis [SMTP:hexdidnt@clara.net] > Sent: Thursday, August 12, 1999 6:58 PM > To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Subject: Re: Screenshots wanted > > Justin Skists wrote: > > Isn't JPEG with 0 compression also known as TIFF? > > > No! Joint Photographic Experts Group = Tagged Image File Format? > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 13 19:07:22 1999 Message-ID: <089R2BAX2Ft3EwYP@idalziel.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 19:01:59 +0100 To: Sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Ian Dalziel Subject: Re: Funny Thing References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 X-Orcpt: rfc822;Sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 471 Lines: 14 In article , Stuart Brady writes >>Seems to me, if looking momentarily at the sun made you go blind, the >>only idea we'd have about what it looked like would come from stories >>told by blind people... > >Your eyes _would_ be adjusted to the darkness... Wot darkness? It didn't get dark here, and where it did you couldn't see the sun. Or do you go blind if you look at clouds, too? -- Ian Dalziel From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 13 19:19:01 1999 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 19:07:05 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Stuart Brady Subject: Re: Screenshots wanted In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 456 Lines: 11 In message , Paul Walker writes >> But GIF, PCX and PNG are compressed. You of course meant "lossily >> compressed", but then JPEG is just about the only format which does that. > >Anyone transporting image files around in BMP format should also be shot, for >waste of space/bandwidth/time/everything. I think that you should shoot those who use xpm first. It's worse. -- Stuart Brady From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 13 19:19:02 1999 From: davgw@clara.co.uk (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Re : SUUG Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 18:16:36 GMT Message-ID: <37b45dce.34710332@relay.clara.net> References: <00f501bee46e$05ee6e80$14468cd4@default> <37b2016e.42455476@relay.clara.net> <001801bee456$2304f380$e32e883e@default> In-Reply-To: <001801bee456$2304f380$e32e883e@default> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 931 Lines: 19 On Thu, 12 Aug 1999 01:03:03 +0100 Fri, 13 Aug 99 11:28:44 BST, "michael sleight" wrote: >Derek Morgan - That name rings a bell with me too - say more!! Derek used to run 'SAM PD' and 'F9 Software' (the latter title cunningly invented by me!). He was an agent for SAMCo and was (I should say 'is' because as far as I know he's still alive!) a very helpful chap regarding all things SAM. We regularly used to attend the shows in Gloucester together (and before that at the AFF at Birmingham and Haydock), but I haven't heard anything from him for ages. I should really pick up the phone and see how he's doing, but he works funny shifts. ISTR Derek saying that he was involved in the afore mentioned 'Unemployed Spectrum User Group' once or twice. Quite a hilarious title, isn't it!? Can you imagine anything like that these days. :-) Dave (Founding member of the unemployed CD Burners club) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 13 19:29:30 1999 From: "James R Curry" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:23:19 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Screenshots wanted In-reply-to: References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19990813182345Z49675-10487+335@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 569 Lines: 16 > >> But GIF, PCX and PNG are compressed. You of course meant "lossily > >> compressed", but then JPEG is just about the only format which does that. > > > >Anyone transporting image files around in BMP format should also be shot, for > >waste of space/bandwidth/time/everything. > > I think that you should shoot those who use xpm first. It's worse. > -- > Stuart Brady Firstly I'd like to shoot all those people who thought that I was being serious about using a zero compressed JPEG. :P -- James R Curry - James@curry.com "The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!" From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 14 01:48:07 1999 Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 02:55:52 +0200 (CEST) From: Jarek Message-Id: <199908140055.CAA00163@sp7.zsk.p.lodz.pl> To: unlisted-recipients:; (no To-header on input) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 0 Lines: 0 From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 14 11:24:09 1999 Message-ID: <004001bee63f$eec57a40$dc23883e@johnnateare> From: "Johnna Teare" To: References: <00f501bee46e$05ee6e80$14468cd4@default> <37b2016e.42455476@relay.clara.net> <001801bee456$2304f380$e32e883e@default> <37b45dce.34710332@relay.clara.net> Subject: Re: Re : SUUG Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 11:29:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 78 Lines: 5 > > Dave (Founding member of the unemployed CD Burners club) > Can I join? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 14 20:25:28 1999 Message-ID: <37B5C23A.C80E151C@physics.org> Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 20:23:39 +0100 From: Diggory Gray X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: References: <199908140055.CAA00163@sp7.zsk.p.lodz.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 397 Lines: 20 Pardon? Subject: Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 02:55:52 +0200 (CEST) From: Jarek Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no To: unlisted-recipients:; (no To-header on input) You got through my filters with that :) Jarek wrote: Not very much ;) Digs -- /\ /\ http://homepages.tesco.net/~Diggory/ / \_/ \ / . . \EOW CAT Y From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 15 02:19:58 1999 Message-ID: <001701beb6cc$36725a00$192d883e@richard> From: "Richard Jowett" To: "Sam User Group" References: <000701bee559$80bef1c0$8b1dac3e@default> Subject: Re: Password Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 02:12:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 968 Lines: 34 This problem might be invalid characters including spaces in the computer name box. To change the name go to Control panel double click on the network icon. Then click on the Identification tab, and change the computer name to anything you like but only use alphanumeric characters and no spaces. Richard. ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Wilkinson To: Sent: 13 August 1999 07:58 Subject: Re: Password > Thanks for the info Thomas. > > I found one .pwl file and renamed the .pwl to .ppp > > That worked so now I will delete the file. > > One more problem, every time I first start up windows and then go for > Outlook Express, I get a box that states "WNetGetUser returned" > I can't get the dial up box until I click OK on this. > Opening Outlook Express after that is OK. It only happens after Windows is > first started. > > What is it. It happens on a friends machine as well.. > > Bob Wilkinson. > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 15 18:48:47 1999 From: "Paul Walker" Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 15:30:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Er .. ignore me. Message-ID: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) X-Hops: 1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 292 Lines: 13 Hello. Just to see if this one comes back, and what email address the list is sending it to. Apologies, just ignore it. (Or email me privately if it got out.) Ta, Paul -- Give me a fast modem, for I intend to go in harm's way. -- Doktor DynaSoar Iridium in news.admin.net-abuse.usenet From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 15 21:35:18 1999 Message-ID: <001401bee75c$3ff3c3a0$020a0a64@trout> From: "Colin Piggot" To: Subject: SAM DEVELOPER FORUM Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 21:24:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1282 Lines: 35 Being one of the first people on this list (and being able to claim that I made the first two postings to it!) it is becoming apparent that the list is filling up with spam and non-sam related postings. This also seems to the feeling of other list subscribers from what they've said to me so I have taken it apon myself to create another mailing list: The Sam Developer Forum This is a MODERATED mailing list for the needs of Sam Users and Developers alike. To subscribe, see my webpage at http://www.quazar.clara.net/forum/ for information. Although it is entitled The Sam Developer Forum it will cater for all sam users, and in a sensible no-nonsence manner. Going back to the Sam itself, I develop and release software for the Sam every month (Soundbyte is now on issue 51 at time of writing!), and several other full titles are in development. Colin Piggot. +------------------------+-------------------------------+ | COLIN PIGGOT | __ ___ __ | | quazar@clara.net | /| | | | | / | | |\ | | | / | | | |__| / |__| |_\ | | QUAZAR: Hardware and | /_\| |__| | | /__ | | | \ | | Software for the Sam | | +------------------------+-------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 15 21:35:19 1999 Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 21:32:40 +0100 (GMT) From: Robert Brady To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Er .. ignore me. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 285 Lines: 14 On Sun, 15 Aug 1999, Paul Walker wrote: > Hello. > > Just to see if this one comes back, and what email address the list is > sending it to. Apologies, just ignore it. (Or email me privately if it got > out.) I'm afraid I didn't recieve your mail. Sorry. -- Robert (Ancalimon) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 15 21:47:42 1999 Message-ID: <37B727A4.9E1A53C5@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 21:48:36 +0100 From: Martin Wilson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Er .. ignore me. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 531 Lines: 25 Robert Brady wrote: > > On Sun, 15 Aug 1999, Paul Walker wrote: > > > Hello. > > > > Just to see if this one comes back, and what email address the list is > > sending it to. Apologies, just ignore it. (Or email me privately if it got > > out.) > > I'm afraid I didn't recieve your mail. Sorry. > > -- Me neither. In fact none of the above emails to the list came my way. And now something on topic. Are Fred issues available for download anywhere? Would anyone care if I uploaded the ones I had. > Robert > (Ancalimon) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 15 21:47:44 1999 From: "Johnna Teare" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 21:52:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: SAM DEVELOPER FORUM In-reply-to: <001401bee75c$3ff3c3a0$020a0a64@trout> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 837 Lines: 21 On 15 Aug 99, at 21:24, Colin Piggot wrote: > Being one of the first people on this list (and being able to claim that I > made the first two postings to it!) it is becoming apparent that the list > is filling up with spam and non-sam related postings. This also seems to > the feeling of other list subscribers from what they've said to me so I > have taken it apon myself to create another mailing list: The principles behind it are grand - but aside from what is going on in the Quazar camp, is there anything else in development in teh SAM world at the minute? Anybody got any nice surprises for teh SAM's 10th birthday? And was anything ever suggested as to a show or anything? Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Sun Aug 15 21:51:04 1999 Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 21:51:04 +0100 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM DEVELOPER FORUM Message-ID: <19990815215104.A22440@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no References: <001401bee75c$3ff3c3a0$020a0a64@trout> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <001401bee75c$3ff3c3a0$020a0a64@trout>; from Colin Piggot on Sun, Aug 15, 1999 at 09:24:59PM +0100 Status: RO Content-Length: 697 Lines: 24 On Sun, Aug 15, 1999 at 09:24:59PM +0100, Colin Piggot wrote: > Being one of the first people on this list (and being able to claim that I > made the Your mailer is broken. It wrapped this horribly. > first two postings to it!) it is becoming apparent that the list is filling > up with spam What spam? > and non-sam related postings. That is just the nature of a mailing list. This is not meant to be a deadly serious courtroom where all chat is banned unless absolutely relevant. If you want a Sam-related topic then try starting one. > I have taken it apon myself to create > another mailing > list: Well good luck with it but I won't be joining. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 15 22:00:16 1999 From: "Johnna Teare" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 22:06:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Er .. ignore me. In-reply-to: <37B727A4.9E1A53C5@ukonline.co.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1607 Lines: 43 > And now something on topic. Are Fred issues available for download > anywhere? Would anyone care if I uploaded the ones I had. The last time this one was mentioned someone went on to say that they shouldn't be uploaded because of various copyright reasons. But I think this one is a bit lame because much of the stuff actually on teh Fred magazine would habve been PD anyway and so therer would be no copyright on the programs. Isn't it about time that we put together a decent SAM website to encourage people to stay interested / get interested in the SAM wither thoruhg the original machine or through SIMCoupe? By that I mean declaring a copyright free zone on anything that is over five years old - quite a few games could go up then and lots of disk magazines. If we did what the Speccy scene did we really could keep a healthy SAM scene going into Y2K - stick the stuff up on an ftp server, or make a CD available for the PC's which SAM users could buy for a token fee - say a tenner - and the money could go back into producing SAM stuff or to the people whose stuff was included on the CD. I'm all for keeping new software coming out on the machine, but surely there are not going to be many people who have not bought Defenders Of The Earth who still intend to - why not stick it up ther and let everyone have a look to see what it was like. just my tuppence... so tell me i'm wrong... > > > > > Robert > > (Ancalimon) > Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 15 22:04:49 1999 Message-ID: <002001bdc887$a6dbba40$505808c3@persona> From: "David L" To: "sam-users" Subject: Well Done Colin Piggot!!!! Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 21:02:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01BDC890.07C5EEE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1178 Lines: 39 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01BDC890.07C5EEE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well - I unsubed from this list due to bulshit on it, and I'm just = popping back on to thank colin for setting up a new one ,... without the = crap that has ruined this one. Good luck Col! ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01BDC890.07C5EEE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well - I unsubed from this list due to = bulshit on=20 it, and I'm just popping back on to thank colin for setting up a new one = ,...=20 without the crap that has ruined this one.
 
Good luck Col!
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_001D_01BDC890.07C5EEE0-- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 15 22:11:08 1999 Message-ID: <002f01bdc887$f64fb180$505808c3@persona> From: "David L" To: "sam-users" Subject: Why did I leave this list? Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 21:04:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002C_01BDC890.574AAF00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 3657 Lines: 98 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01BDC890.574AAF00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'll tell you why I left. To be perfectly honest, these days I'm that knackered due to work (you = know youself I've tyically gotten back home from 8pm onwards) that = basically I've no=20 energy for concentrating on SAM work. I mean, let's face it, who really = needs any effort for using a PC? With SAM u need too much effort at that sort of = state - you just cant be arsed. I've not lost interest in SAM myself, I'm still a great fan of the = little bugger - and I've put too much effort and time into it to pack it = all in completely. But I cant spend what time I have got devoted = entirely to it. Which is one of the reasons I left the list - just too much innane crap = which has bugger all to do with SAM, too many people who are too ready = to jump in with snidey attitudes with no reason. As for Persona - goodness knows what's going on at the moment. But if I = dont hear anything from Duncan in the next munf - I'll post Blitz up on = the net myself... and as for some of the other coders who have done = stuff for Persona - I'll see what they want to do. I dont want to see = their work wasted. Anyway, best of luck on the new list... I'll be one of the first on it! David ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01BDC890.574AAF00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'll tell you why I left.
 
To be perfectly honest, these days I'm = that=20 knackered due to work (you know youself I've tyically gotten back home = from 8pm=20 onwards) that basically I've no
energy for concentrating on SAM work. I = mean, let's=20 face it, who really needs any
effort for using a PC? With SAM u need = too much=20 effort at that sort of state - you just cant be arsed.
 
I've not lost interest in SAM myself, = I'm still a=20 great fan of the little bugger - and I've put too much effort and time = into it=20 to pack it all in completely. But I cant spend what time I have got = devoted=20 entirely to it.
 
Which is one of the reasons I left the = list - just=20 too much innane crap which has bugger all to do with SAM, too many = people who=20 are too ready to jump in with snidey attitudes with no = reason.
 
As for Persona - goodness knows what's = going on at=20 the moment. But if I dont hear anything from Duncan in the next munf - = I'll post=20 Blitz up on the net myself... and as for some of the other coders who = have done=20 stuff for Persona - I'll see what they want to do. I dont want to see = their work=20 wasted.
 
Anyway, best of luck on the new list... = I'll be one=20 of the first on it!
 
David
 
------=_NextPart_000_002C_01BDC890.574AAF00-- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 15 22:16:58 1999 Message-ID: <005801bdc889$72fe8700$505808c3@persona> From: "David L" To: "sam-users" Subject: Sigh.. not again Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 21:15:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0055_01BDC891.D3F98480" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-Keywords: X-UID: 301 Status: RO Content-Length: 1394 Lines: 47 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01BDC891.D3F98480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable After succeeded from causing me to leave the list for ages, seems like = Ian wants to kill off this new great venture in it's infancy. Shush! Let Colin get on with it! Sod the line lenghts, clock settings and all that bullshit...=20 David ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01BDC891.D3F98480 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
After succeeded from causing me to = leave the list=20 for ages, seems like Ian wants to kill off this new great venture in = it's=20 infancy.
 
Shush! Let Colin get on with = it!
 
Sod the line lenghts, clock settings = and all that=20 bullshit...
 
David
 
------=_NextPart_000_0055_01BDC891.D3F98480-- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 15 22:21:56 1999 Message-ID: <006101bdc889$ab90a4e0$505808c3@persona> From: "David L" To: "sam-users" Subject: Fred stuff Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 21:17:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005E_01BDC892.0C934380" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1104 Lines: 38 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01BDC892.0C934380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re fred copyright - will Colin McD ring/mail me? If u cant reach me at home - email: david@scan.co.uk Thanks ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01BDC892.0C934380 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Re fred copyright - will Colin McD = ring/mail=20 me?
 
If u cant reach me at home - email: david@scan.co.uk
 
Thanks
 
------=_NextPart_000_005E_01BDC892.0C934380-- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 15 22:21:56 1999 From: "Johnna Teare" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 22:26:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Why did I leave this list? In-reply-to: <002f01bdc887$f64fb180$505808c3@persona> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 205 Lines: 10 >I'll tell you why I left.  Erm...did somebody ask? ;-) Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 15 22:25:08 1999 Message-ID: <37B72FFD.103ADA29@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 22:24:13 +0100 From: Martin Wilson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Er .. ignore me. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id WAA02904 Status: RO Content-Length: 1156 Lines: 27 Johnna Teare wrote: > > > And now something on topic. Are Fred issues available for download > > anywhere? Would anyone care if I uploaded the ones I had. > > The last time this one was mentioned someone went on to say that > they shouldn't be uploaded because of various copyright reasons. > Of course they're right but like you I think the sam scene is a bit bland with so little decent downloads available on the internet. I agree that if we all sorted ourselves out we could really do a great sam ftp site. I'm not so sure I'm comfortable with commercial games but disk magazines tend to be more topical and therefore I think devalued by time. I must admit in all fairness I'd be motivated enough to download mags from the internet but not enough to buy them at £2-3. I did subscribe to Fred for quite a while but the editorial went down hill so did my interest and I didn't renew. I say this in all honesty that I think many Sam mags are very impressive and it would be nice to show ST and Amiga users how good the sam scene was at its best. For a minority machine we seem to have more than our fair share of talented programmers and writers. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 15 23:29:17 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop3.house Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001401bee75c$3ff3c3a0$020a0a64@trout> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 23:26:27 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: SAM DEVELOPER FORUM X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2360 Lines: 57 >Being one of the first people on this list (and being able to claim that I >made the >first two postings to it!) it is becoming apparent that the list is filling >up with spam >and non-sam related postings. This also seems to the feeling of other list >subscribers >from what they've said to me so I have taken it apon myself to create >another mailing >list: > >The Sam Developer Forum > >This is a MODERATED mailing list for the needs of Sam Users and Developers >alike. To subscribe, see my webpage at http://www.quazar.clara.net/forum/ >for information. Although it is entitled The Sam Developer Forum it will >cater for all >sam users, and in a sensible no-nonsence manner. No offense, but I really don't think that's a terribly good idea... Sam-users isn't a very high traffic list. It's not like subscribers get overrun with "spam and non-sam related postings" - in fact I can't recall ever seeing any spam on here. Nor are we really in the midst of long-overrunning flamewars, since Bob's clones [1] seem to be behaving at the moment... The truth is, there's really not a lot of genuine Sam discussion at the moment, because that isn't what is keeping the Sam alive. There's nothing about the technology of the machine that keeps me interested any more - the reason I still use my Sam at all is because of the people I associate with it, that is the sense of community which the Sam has been able to develop over the last ten years. The way to develop the community is to keep all the users (of genuine AND emulated machines) together - not to add a sterile list where anything but "certified clean discussion" would be frowned upon and have to get moved somewhere else, that way nearly anyone interested would just have to subscribe to both lists anyway. Much better to allow the discussion to develop in a natural environmant... Just my 0.02 Andrew [1] Not, I hasten to add, Bob Wilkinson who, having joined the list only recently, probably has no idea what I'm talking about and might get offended if he thought I were talking about him, which I'm not[2]. But another Bob. [2]Except in the footnote, obviously. -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 15 23:29:17 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop3.house Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <005801bdc889$72fe8700$505808c3@persona> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 23:27:00 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Sigh.. not again X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 942 Lines: 23 > Sod the line lenghts, clock settings and all that bullshit... David Personally I don't object so much to the broken date headers or text formatting - but what I *do* object to is people with an attitude problem who actually know quite well that things are wrong, but who just don't give a damn about rules, standards, or other people's inconvenience. Yes, perhaps Ian could have put things more politely when he pointed out your broken clock just before you unsubbed. But it wasn't the first time it had been mentioned, and FWIW we were in the middle of a thread in which you had posted a message about people who couldn't or wouldn't configure their machines properly. Just my tuppence-worth. Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 15 23:43:47 1999 Message-ID: <002301bdc895$72f23480$b75708c3@persona> From: "David L" To: References: Subject: Re: Sigh.. not again Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 22:41:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1276 Lines: 43 Tact. Useful word and I think perhaps at least two people on the list could do with more of it. 1, admittedly being me! ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Collier To: Sent: Sunday, August 15, 1999 11:27 PM Subject: Re: Sigh.. not again > > Sod the line lenghts, clock settings and all that bullshit... David > > Personally I don't object so much to the broken date headers or text > formatting - but what I *do* object to is people with an attitude problem > who actually know quite well that things are wrong, but who just don't give > a damn about rules, standards, or other people's inconvenience. > > Yes, perhaps Ian could have put things more politely when he pointed out > your broken clock just before you unsubbed. But it wasn't the first time it > had been mentioned, and FWIW we were in the middle of a thread in which you > had posted a message about people who couldn't or wouldn't configure their > machines properly. > > Just my tuppence-worth. > > Andrew > > -- > -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other > -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a > -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file > -- > > > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 16 01:21:18 1999 From: "Johnna Teare" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 01:26:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: SAM Downloads In-reply-to: <37B72FFD.103ADA29@ukonline.co.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id BAA14701 Status: RO Content-Length: 3574 Lines: 78 On 15 Aug 99, at 22:24, Martin Wilson wrote: > > The last time this one was mentioned someone went on to say that > > they shouldn't be uploaded because of various copyright reasons. > > > > I'm not so sure I'm comfortable with commercial games but disk magazines > tend to be more topical and therefore I think devalued by time. I must > admit in all fairness I'd be motivated enough to download mags from the > internet but not enough to buy them at £2-3. Why can't we do what the Speccy world did - stick the things up there and ask anybody who objects to them being there to ask for their removal? Does anybody know what kind of copyright _actually_ exists on teh SAMCo / Revelation titles? There were loads of stories from various sources saying they were entitled to sell them, but did the copyright to such games actually ever leave the hands of the receivers? It certainly didnt regarding production of the machine... And if Speccy Defenders Of The Earth / Pipemania / Famous Five etc. are up on the ftp site, what is the problem with the SAM versions going up there? They have no commercial value anymore - I doubt very much they would take away sales from new SAM games because they would only be accessible to PC / Mac owners who would, I imagine, sooner spend a fiver on a Sold Out rereleased game such as Unreal than spend upwards of 15 quid on a game for their SAM's. The real SAM users, the ones who still use their computers as their main machines, will not be able to get hold of the games and so will still be reliant on the new products of companies like Quazar etc. And if the files were up there in .dsk format they'd run rather nicely on SIMCoupe. > > I say this in all honesty that I think many Sam mags are very impressive > and it would be nice to show ST and Amiga users how good the sam scene was > at its best. For a minority machine we seem to have more than our fair > share of talented programmers and writers. > Back on to the topic you mention - yes, the SAM Magazine scene was its crowning glory and there should be a full representation of it up on an ftp somewhere - including copies of FRED and, dare I say it, even OCR'd copies of FORMAT. The SAM Coupe is somethign that was special to all of us and we should try as hard as we can to pool all our resources and give ourselves the best chance of preserving it, and all the related paraphenalia that goes with it, somewhere in cyberspace for the rest of the future generations of 8bit geeks to look at fondly. Alternatively, we could whine on about copyright restrictions and the like and see most of the people who might stick with the SAM move on to something else somewhere else and forget all about the whole shebang. And in reality - who in teh SAM world is going to have the funds to bring a breach of copyright lawsuit against anyone other individual? Especially for teh sake of about sixty pence. The worst that could happen if we all just revolted would be a few idle threats from those desperate to cling on to their fading empire. I'm not encouraging piracy - it has always existed on teh SAM scene and is probably now at it lowest level ever because of the few numbers still involved in the machines ongoings. However, trying to erect some kind of memorial to our favourite blue (or black) footed friend would make sense. I'm ready to step into my asbestos suit as I speak. Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 16 09:09:38 1999 Message-ID: <37B7C674.3A7E3AE1@katowice.pkp.com.pl> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:06:12 +0200 From: Tomasz =?iso-8859-2?Q?Pud=B3o?= Organization: CIK X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [pl] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: pl MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: References: <199908140055.CAA00163@sp7.zsk.p.lodz.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id JAA16755 Status: RO Content-Length: 330 Lines: 16 Witam tylko nie wiem o co chodzi bo wiadomo¶æ jest pusta > Subject: Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 02:55:52 +0200 (CEST) From: Jarek Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no To: unlisted-recipients:; (no To-header on input) proszê o wiêcej :-) pozdrawiam Tomek From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 16 09:24:53 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851C42@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 09:30:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id JAA16931 Status: RO Content-Length: 681 Lines: 28 English, I can understand... Finnish, I will be able to understand... But, contrary to what my surname is, I can't read Polish. Sorry... Justin. > -----Original Message----- > From: Tomasz Pudlo [SMTP:tombox@katowice.pkp.com.pl] > Sent: Monday, August 16, 1999 9:06 AM > To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Subject: Re: > > Witam tylko nie wiem o co chodzi bo wiadomo¶æ jest pusta > > > Subject: > Date: > Sat, 14 Aug 1999 02:55:52 +0200 (CEST) > From: > Jarek > Reply-To: > sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > To: > unlisted-recipients:; (no To-header on input) > > proszê o wiêcej :-) > > pozdrawiam > Tomek From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 16 10:21:29 1999 X-sendmail-revision: 29-Mar-1999 (23) by ant@tissoft.co.uk Message-ID: <02ae01bee7c7$6d41ce90$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> From: "Nick Humphries" To: Subject: My take on the SAM Scene Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:12:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1887 Lines: 39 The SAM isn't dead. Not in the technical sense anyway - people are still developing for it, albeit on a VERY small scale. But there are some basic facts we should all be told: * How many new SAMs are being sold a month? If we're talking about single figures here (or even zero) then it's time to start seriously thinking about accepting a combined future with SimCoupe. * How many units of any particular software title are being sold a month? * Is there any possibility of the older titles being rereleased either on a compilation or separately. Single figure sales and no commitment to rereleasing or compilations means that these titles are not marketable anymore, so is there any good reason for not putting them onto an FTP site? There are plenty of parallels with today's Spectrum scene - there's about the same amount of support (hardware and software) for the Spectrum today as for the SAM, yet there's a thriving emulation scene. The World of Spectrum website has been actively hunting around for permissions from game writers and old publishers, and when contact has been made, the response has usually been very positive (the same can be said about my YS Rock'n'Roll Years website - the people involved are usually quite honoured to have their work remembered with fondness). Emulation is welcomed in the Speccy scene (for non-new games), why not the SAM? Is there any money being made by programmers anymore? Is Chris White still getting any royalties from Prince of Persia or Lemmings? Is Rob Holman getting any royalties from any more sales of the first few SAM games? Would the authors of any SAM games not getting any more royalties please stand up? Would YOU mind your games being made available on an FTP site? IMHO any game that's not being sold in higher quantities than single figures a month should be considered fair game in the emulation scene. Nick From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 16 10:31:34 1999 Message-ID: <00d801bee80c$00b276e0$bd408cd4@default> From: "Robert Wilkinson" To: "Sam Usergroup" Subject: Re Sam User Group + Downloads Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:22:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 652 Lines: 27 >From R Wilkinson. If everyone here met once a week or so there would be some healthy banter. People will ask questions about other things. Sam is not the be-all and end-all. This group is for Sam users to help and support each other is it not. If only Sam topics were raised here, then there would not be enough material to go round. ....... RE Downloads I am willing to allow Outwrite to be downloaded by anyone that wants it just as long as I retain copyright. Im new to this sort of thing (only had a modem for about 4 weeks) so how do I go about it. I also have a Morse code tutor written for the Sam. Anyone want that.. Bob Wilkinson. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 16 10:31:35 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851C48@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: SAM DEVELOPER FORUM Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:32:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 760 Lines: 22 Where on earth do you find time for it all? I finally find some time, switch on my SAM, load up my CP/M disks ready to write my MIDI-Kern, try to decide where to begin, search for ages for my development notes, fail to find my development notes (due to the fact they were in a red folder hiding under my bed that I didn't find til I cleaned up the place) and then go "Sod it! Where's my 'Teach Yourself Finnish' kit?" (Even that seems a waste of time at the moment...) Justin. > -----Original Message----- > From: Colin Piggot [SMTP:quazar@clara.net] > > Going back to the Sam itself, I develop and release software for the Sam > every > month (Soundbyte is now on issue 51 at time of writing!), and several > other > full titles > are in development. > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 16 10:44:00 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851C49@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: Re Sam User Group + Downloads Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:39:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1117 Lines: 42 Oooh... I'd be interested in downloading Outwrite. Since it now seems like it'll be many many moons (darn it!) before I get around to buying a PC, I'm going to need a word-processor type thing for the SAM... Justin. > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Wilkinson [SMTP:Wilkinson40@tesco.net] > Sent: Monday, August 16, 1999 6:22 PM > To: Sam Usergroup > Subject: Re Sam User Group + Downloads > > From R Wilkinson. > > If everyone here met once a week or so there would be some healthy banter. > > People will ask questions about other things. Sam is not the be-all and > end-all. > > This group is for Sam users to help and support each other is it not. > > If only Sam topics were raised here, then there would not be enough > material > to go round. > > ....... > > RE Downloads > > > I am willing to allow Outwrite to be downloaded by anyone that wants it > just > as long as I retain copyright. > Im new to this sort of thing (only had a modem for about 4 weeks) so how > do > I go about > it. > I also have a Morse code tutor written for the Sam. Anyone want that.. > > Bob Wilkinson. > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 16 10:51:26 1999 X-sendmail-revision: 29-Mar-1999 (23) by ant@tissoft.co.uk Message-ID: <02b901bee7ca$3bfeffd0$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> From: "Nick Humphries" To: Subject: Re: Re Sam User Group + Downloads Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:32:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 623 Lines: 23 From: Robert Wilkinson >I am willing to allow Outwrite to be downloaded by anyone that wants it just >as long as I retain copyright. >Im new to this sort of thing (only had a modem for about 4 weeks) so how do >I go about >it. >I also have a Morse code tutor written for the Sam. Anyone want that.. > >Bob Wilkinson. FAN-TASTIC! This should set a good example to the rest of us, and should be welcomed. Outwrite was a great product - I remember getting version 1 of it so many years ago (along with the slow, noisy, messy 9-pin dot matrix printer from SAMCo). So how about anyone else? Nick From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 16 11:10:54 1999 From: "Si Owen" To: Subject: Re: SAM DEVELOPER FORUM Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:09:26 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <001401bee75c$3ff3c3a0$020a0a64@trout> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1680 Lines: 38 Colin Piggot wrote: > so I have taken it apon myself to create another mailing list Is this really such a good idea? The SAM world seems thin enough as it is without spreading it out over two mailing lists. The discussion on this list isn't always on-topic, but it's not as though hundreds of messages a day come through on it - the off-topic chit-chat actually seems to help keep the list alive! > This is a MODERATED mailing list for the needs of Sam Users and > Developers alike. To subscribe, see my webpage at > http://www.quazar.clara.net/forum/ for information. The web page also says: "This list is for REAL people who use REAL Sam computers" and "No emulation. As stated above this is for users of real Sams". So, does this also exclude REAL users who develop REAL SAM software on the emulator? Since this REAL software can also be run on a REAL SAM and would benefit other REAL users. Are you discriminating against emulation because you feel it's a threat to the Quazar (like Dave L does with the hardware he's involved with) and/or it can't be used with the emulator? Good luck with your new list - I'm afraid I won't be joining you tho. > +------------------------+-------------------------------+ > | COLIN PIGGOT | __ ___ __ | > | quazar@clara.net | /| | | | | / | | |\ | > | | / | | | |__| / |__| |_\ | > | QUAZAR: Hardware and | /_\| |__| | | /__ | | | \ | > | Software for the Sam | | > +------------------------+-------------------------------+ Your new list may allow large sigs, but I believe this one has a limit of 4 lines ;-) Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 16 11:31:45 1999 Message-ID: <37B7E866.57ED285A@katowice.pkp.com.pl> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:31:02 +0200 From: Tomasz =?iso-8859-2?Q?Pud=B3o?= Organization: CIK X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [pl] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: pl MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: References: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851C42@mailhost.aculab.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id LAA18961 Status: RO Content-Length: 219 Lines: 11 Justin Skists napisa³(a): > English, I can understand... Finnish, I will be able to understand... > But, contrary to what my surname is, I can't read Polish. Sorry... mea culpa... bad "To:" field :-( > Justin. Tom From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Mon Aug 16 11:40:55 1999 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:40:55 +0100 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users Subject: Re: Why did I leave this list? Message-ID: <19990816114055.A23152@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users References: <002f01bdc887$f64fb180$505808c3@persona> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <002f01bdc887$f64fb180$505808c3@persona>; from David L on Sat, Aug 15, 1998 at 09:04:50PM +0100 Status: RO Content-Length: 932 Lines: 20 On Sat, Aug 15, 1998 at 09:04:50PM +0100, David L wrote: > Which is one of the reasons I left the list - just too much innane crap [>]which has bugger all to do with SAM, too many people who are too ready to [>]jump in with snidey attitudes with no reason. A general observation: this is not a high volume list - 1200 messages since March making an average of 8.4 per day (or 20kB per day). If anyone here doesn't like irrelevant postings then press your 'delete' button - it won't wear out if you only have to press it 8 times a day. If *everyone* here didn't like irrelevant postings then there wouldn't be any because no one would post them! If Colin succeeds in his venture then all he is going to do is remove Sam content from this list, making it even more full of irrelevant postings. > Anyway, best of luck on the new list... I'll be one of the first on it! I hope you and Colin have a nice chat together... (o: imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 16 11:52:16 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851C4C@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: Why did I leave this list? Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:56:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 446 Lines: 14 [snipped a load of stuff] Isn't this just creating more of a rift between everyone? Now Bob/Samsboss/B-Ritman have disappeared, do we all still have unused "anger" left over to attack each other instead? Peace men (and any women, if they are on-line)... Justin PS. Has anyone noticed the other Y2K bug? (Which will have nothing to do with adding machines blinking out or sad pimply-faced boys crying over the disappearence of Lara Croft...) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 16 12:15:12 1999 From: "Johnna Teare" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:13:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: FTP Site In-reply-to: References: <001401bee75c$3ff3c3a0$020a0a64@trout> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 595 Lines: 16 If we are going to start putting new stuff up on the FTP site, could we not make it so that we can track who has downloaded what so that, if the author of the particular item wanted to contact the owners of teh software via email to perhaps offer upgrades, sell manuals, offer other deals etc. he / she could? At least then the people who brought us the software would have a chance of recouping some money? Is this kind of thing possible? Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 16 12:15:12 1999 From: "Johnna Teare" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:13:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: My take on the SAM Scene In-reply-to: <02ae01bee7c7$6d41ce90$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2555 Lines: 60 On 16 Aug 99, at 10:12, Nick Humphries wrote: > * How many new SAMs are being sold a month? > Even if we knew the figures - which we are never likely to find out - the real question should be how many new SAMs are being sold to _new users_ each month? I'd hazard that most of the new machines sold are bought by people replacing their old ones. How on earth are we to expect new users to come to the machine when there is no publicity for it? There is no excuse for whoever holds the rights to the production of the SAM (Bob I think?) not to have website at the very least with the latest prices etc. I'm sure there would be loads of people ready to help him put one up there - I would be one. And what better way to put the word around about the SAM than by getting a decent emulator like SIMCoupe freely distributed among the PC world. The same kind of thing worked for the C64 and Speccy - people are actively huntuing down the orignial machines to run the software on. > If we're talking about single figures here (or even zero) then it's time > to start seriously thinking about accepting a combined future with > SimCoupe. It would surprise me if there have been more than ten sold in the last year. > * How many units of any particular software title are being sold a month? > * Is there any possibility of the older titles being rereleased either on > a compilation or separately. Now that is perhaps a very valid point. There would be a great demand for, say , The Enigma Collection or Pop, Lemmings and ONML all in the one pack. If the people who hold their licences still want to try and feed their families on the back of SAM Software sales, then this is the way forward. If not, let's get some stuff up on the FTP site. Hats off to Bob for getting the ball rolling with Outwrite - the best word processor the SAM has seen. I'm not sure how to get stuff onto the FTP - which was decided as the best format? Meanwhile, if anybody would like to help me get a SAM website cobbled together similar to World Of Spectrum then please private mail me - I'll be after screenshots, articles, reviews, links etc. But it's all got to be brand new stuff. I'm only starting on the idea now, and like everything I do it will probably take forever to get to completion, but I'd like to see the whole thing up to celebrate Happy 10th Birthday for Mr Coupe. Let me know. Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 16 12:34:06 1999 Message-ID: <37B88356.C0AF7D33@clear.net.nz> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 22:32:06 +0100 From: Gasson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (OS/2; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM Downloads References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id MAA20382 Status: RO Content-Length: 1444 Lines: 34 Johnna Teare wrote: >>> The last time this one was mentioned someone went on to say that >>> they shouldn't be uploaded because of various copyright reasons. Martin Wilson wrote: >> I'm not so sure I'm comfortable with commercial games but disk magazines >> tend to be more topical and therefore I think devalued by time. I must >> admit in all fairness I'd be motivated enough to download mags from the >> internet but not enough to buy them at £2-3. Johnna Teare wrote: > Why can't we do what the Speccy world did - stick the things up > there and ask anybody who objects to them being there to ask for > their removal? (...) It may well be better for everyone if this was done, but I strongly believe that people should have the right to choose to do things that are not in their best interests, or anyone elses. This is the foundation of a liberal democracy and capatilist society. ;-) Perhaps if someone were to set up a tidy web site with a catalogue of known Sam games (a picture of the box a breif description, etc.), then wrote a nice letter to the copyright holders... The distributable games could have a little note saying "Generously made available by (Author's name) and the kind people at (...) Software. To have a look at some of their new work, check out the site: (...)". BTW... Honestly Johnna, the name of your web site is obscene... No part of a URL should consist of more than 16 characters. :-p -- James Gasson From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 16 14:15:46 1999 From: "Johnna Teare" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:13:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: SAM Downloads In-reply-to: <37B88356.C0AF7D33@clear.net.nz> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 585 Lines: 21 On 16 Aug 99, at 22:32, Gasson wrote: > BTW... Honestly Johnna, the name of your web site is obscene... No part of > a URL should consist of more than 16 characters. :-p As I was logging on to freeserve, they didn't tell me the bloody line I typed in as my user name would become part of my email address AND website address. Boy do I regret it now! But its my own fault for being thick I suppose! > > -- > James Gasson > > > Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Mon Aug 16 14:21:07 1999 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:21:07 +0100 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM Downloads Message-ID: <19990816142107.D23152@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no References: <37B88356.C0AF7D33@clear.net.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Johnna Teare on Mon, Aug 16, 1999 at 02:13:43PM +0100 Status: RO Content-Length: 380 Lines: 9 On Mon, Aug 16, 1999 at 02:13:43PM +0100, Johnna Teare wrote: > As I was logging on to freeserve, they didn't tell me the bloody line I > typed in as my user name would become part of my email address > AND website address. Now I can't believe that. Although it is almost a year (gosh) since I got my freeserve account I seem to remember the procedure being very clear. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 16 15:25:02 1999 X-sendmail-revision: 29-Mar-1999 (23) by ant@tissoft.co.uk Message-ID: <00ed01bee7f2$b579c1b0$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> From: "Nick Humphries" To: Subject: Re: My take on the SAM Scene Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:22:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id PAA22988 Status: RO Content-Length: 1372 Lines: 38 From: Johnna Teare >On 16 Aug 99, at 10:12, Nick Humphries wrote: >> * How many units of any particular software title are being sold a month? >> * Is there any possibility of the older titles being rereleased either on >> a compilation or separately. >Now that is perhaps a very valid point. There would be a great >demand for, say , The Enigma Collection or Pop, Lemmings and >ONML all in the one pack. If the people who hold their licences still >want to try and feed their families on the back of SAM Software >sales, then this is the way forward. Re-releasing could be the way forward. After eight years or so, Prince of Persia simply isn't worth £9.99 in today's market. Back in the Spectrum days, games got re-released about four years after its original release (and the period got shorter towards the end of the Spectrum era, sometimes down to the order of a few months). Why haven't the SAM software sellers followed suit? An uncharitable mind would put it down to greed, to squeeze every last penny out of the SAM market. Put PoP et al out for £2.99 or £3.99 and you'd sell a few copies. Create three or four game compilations and put them out for a tenner and you'll make some more money. In a games market which is very probably non-existent, any sales are better than none at all. Nick From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 16 19:01:37 1999 Message-ID: <006801bee811$33d5f2e0$020a0a64@trout> From: "Colin Piggot" To: Subject: Re: SAM DEVELOPER FORUM Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:00:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1282 Lines: 37 From: Si Owen >Is this really such a good idea? The SAM world seems thin enough as it is >without spreading it out over two mailing lists. The discussion on this list >isn't always on-topic, but it's not as though hundreds of messages a day come >through on it - the off-topic chit-chat actually seems to help keep the list >alive! Is there anything wrong with another list? I'm not trying to split it, just offering another channel for more serious discussion. The same negativity is being shown here just like when Gavin Smith first announced his Sam-Community idea, which was nearly scrapped due to the responces here. But the Sam-Community is active - well done to Gavin! >Are you discriminating against emulation Emulation, I feel, will attract more people to the Sam, but I cannot see many emulator users rushing out to buy a Sam, or to buy software for it - more just leeching it off the web whenever something appears - take the N64 emulators that have appeared this year for the PC - all that created was a plethora of sites with pirate ROM images to feed the hungrey masses. Also, you have to remember there the majority of Sam users do not have access to the net, so a consise archive may form included on disks for them to read, and even comment on. Colin P. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 16 19:14:58 1999 Message-ID: <007701bee811$91d38880$020a0a64@trout> From: "Colin Piggot" To: Subject: Re: SAM DEVELOPER FORUM Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:02:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 260 Lines: 9 From: Justin Skists : >Where on earth do you find time for it all? Well, I try to do a bit of Sam work every day! Depends what I'm working on - when I was writing Stratosphere I'd spend whole days on it at a time, especially when optimising it all. Colin P. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 16 19:14:59 1999 Message-ID: <008001bee812$238310c0$020a0a64@trout> From: "Colin Piggot" To: Subject: Re: SAM DEVELOPER FORUM Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:07:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 263 Lines: 12 From: Si Owen: >Good luck with your new list Thank you. > I'm afraid I won't be joining you tho. No problem! I'm not ordering people to. If people are intrested they will subscribe, if they aren't then that's fine too - it's there decision entirely. Colin P. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 16 19:26:43 1999 Message-ID: <37B85762.F8501846@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:24:34 +0100 From: Martin Wilson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: My take on the SAM Scene References: <00ed01bee7f2$b579c1b0$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id TAA27536 Status: RO Content-Length: 2159 Lines: 37 > Re-releasing could be the way forward. After eight years or so, Prince of Persia > simply isn't worth £9.99 in today's market. Back in the Spectrum days, games got > re-released about four years after its original release (and the period got > shorter towards the end of the Spectrum era, sometimes down to the order of a > few months). Why haven't the SAM software sellers followed suit? > > An uncharitable mind would put it down to greed, to squeeze every last penny out > of the SAM market. Put PoP et al out for £2.99 or £3.99 and you'd sell a few > copies. Create three or four game compilations and put them out for a tenner and > you'll make some more money. In a games market which is very probably > non-existent, any sales are better than none at all. > > Nick I must admit I do like my games but hate spending money. I can pick up game for my Saturn and 3DO for just a few pounds (£3.99 for example) and therefore can't actually see Sam games being worth much at all now. Back when I first got my Sam it was competing quite reasonably with the scene at the time which was ST, Amiga, Specturm, CPC, C64 and perhaps Sega Master System but now it obviously doesn't compete. I know people will shoot me down in flames for this but I dont' think Sam games have any real commercial value now. I mean some of those Sega Master System games cost a good fraction of a million to develop but the Master system is a completely dead format now. Take the ST scene, this is almost completely dead too but ST commercial games are available easily over the internet. Perhaps we ought to compile a list of all the stuff we each have and then start making dsk files from them making sure we are not duplicating our efforts. I'm sure I can get a good fast ftp UK site with enough capacity for all of it. A friend works at ukonline and I won't have any problem getting space there. UkOnline is part of Easynet and they have some damn fast servers. Perhaps I can sort it so about six of us have full access to upload to the site and we can share maintenance and credit for it. Once we've sorted out the uploading we can start giving it a nice html front end. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 16 20:42:05 1999 Message-ID: <37B8683D.901E8903@bonbon.net> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:36:30 +0100 From: Martin Fitzpatrick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Funny Thing References: <00f801bee46e$09f5ed00$14468cd4@default> <37B1D6AC.A9A2B6E0@bonbon.net> <002101bee4b2$24c2a440$64a5fea9@simcooke3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1501 Lines: 38 Hullo... Simon Cooke wrote: > > From: Martin Fitzpatrick > > Yeh mine did... But that might have had something to do with me looking > > directly at the sun (duh). Unintentional... but I was using them > > glasses & then my mate handed me a different (better) pair. So, still > > staring at the sun I removed the first pair, not realising (duh) that > > the other pair wouldn't suddenly start working and position themselves > > in front of my eyes. > > 'sfunny... I used to stare at the sun for minutes at a time when I was > younger... didn't affect me at all. Yeh... I said that to me mum and she was all like "noo noo noo, if you look at it you'll go blind straight away." blah blah blah.... Clearly I had not, so it wasn't true. > ... now car headlights at night on the other hand... I think that was kinda the point really... I'd been looking through the glasses so it was all dark & then I took em off and *flash* ouch.. oh buggery etc. etc. Its actually not entirely better yet, but when I went to the opticians today he said "oh, hmm, quite normal really... just ignore it".... no big pictures of the sun in my eyes or anything - just a might sensitive to light, so i get echos when going from light to dark.... give it a few weeks... :o) ...a fair bit of it is probably psycho somatic anyway - if it had happened on any other day of the year I'd probably be fine by now. Martin -- Email: poohsticks@bonbon.net ICQ#: 11077801 AOL/CServeIM: Flupert From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 16 21:09:17 1999 Message-ID: <007201bee822$cb9dc880$64a5fea9@simcooke3> From: "Simon Cooke" To: References: <00f801bee46e$09f5ed00$14468cd4@default> <37B1D6AC.A9A2B6E0@bonbon.net> <002101bee4b2$24c2a440$64a5fea9@simcooke3> <37B8683D.901E8903@bonbon.net> Subject: Re: Funny Thing Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:06:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 632 Lines: 14 From: Martin Fitzpatrick > just ignore it".... no big pictures of the sun in my eyes or anything > - just a might sensitive to light, so i get echos when going from light > to dark.... give it a few weeks... :o) > > ...a fair bit of it is probably psycho somatic anyway - if it had > happened on any other day of the year I'd probably be fine by now. You might also want to take beta-carotine and Vitamin D & E supplements for a while... they'll improve your night vision (or rather, your eyes ability to adapt to differing light levels), and that should help get rid of the effects you're seeing :) Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 16 22:32:48 1999 Message-ID: <37B8827D.1FCC@clara.net> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 22:28:29 +0100 From: Gordon Wallis Organization: HEXdidn't... X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: My take on the SAM Scene References: <00ed01bee7f2$b579c1b0$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> <37B85762.F8501846@ukonline.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id WAA29545 Status: RO Content-Length: 490 Lines: 13 Martin Wilson wrote: > I must admit I do like my games but hate spending money. I can pick up > game for my Saturn and 3DO for just a few pounds (£3.99 for example) Two questions: "Where?!" and "Got 'Policenauts' yet?" Gord. (the Policenauts fanatic) -- < The HEXdidn't... Homepage: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < ------ Featuring The U.K. Policenauts Homepage ------ > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< http://www.hexdidnt.clara.net > \---------- AOL Instant Messenger: 'hexdidnt' ----------/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 16 22:43:57 1999 Message-ID: <37B885D7.8A334D9A@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 22:42:47 +0100 From: Martin Wilson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: My take on the SAM Scene References: <00ed01bee7f2$b579c1b0$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> <37B85762.F8501846@ukonline.co.uk> <37B8827D.1FCC@clara.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id WAA29632 Status: RO Content-Length: 731 Lines: 23 Gordon Wallis wrote: > > Martin Wilson wrote: > > I must admit I do like my games but hate spending money. I can pick up > > game for my Saturn and 3DO for just a few pounds (£3.99 for example) > > Two questions: "Where?!" and "Got 'Policenauts' yet?" > > Gord. (the Policenauts fanatic) > Well special reserve still have 3do software at £3.99 Saturn stuff is being cleared out in the high st by some Game and EB stores. I've seen it as low as 99p for an early football game. Better bundles have been stuff like Quake/duke nukem £15 for the pair. If you've got a Saturn I've got Alien Trilogy,Alone in the dark and blast chamber up for swop. After hexen and starfighter amongst others. I don't know what policenauts is? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 16 23:40:11 1999 Message-ID: <001b01bdc95e$0fc32d00$265708c3@persona> From: "David L" To: References: <00ed01bee7f2$b579c1b0$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> <37B85762.F8501846@ukonline.co.uk> <37B8827D.1FCC@clara.net> <37B885D7.8A334D9A@ukonline.co.uk> Subject: Re: My take on the SAM Scene Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 22:37:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id XAA00367 Status: RO Content-Length: 958 Lines: 34 For more on policenauts - see Gordons site!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Martin Wilson To: Sent: Monday, August 16, 1999 10:42 PM Subject: Re: My take on the SAM Scene Gordon Wallis wrote: > > Martin Wilson wrote: > > I must admit I do like my games but hate spending money. I can pick up > > game for my Saturn and 3DO for just a few pounds (£3.99 for example) > > Two questions: "Where?!" and "Got 'Policenauts' yet?" > > Gord. (the Policenauts fanatic) > Well special reserve still have 3do software at £3.99 Saturn stuff is being cleared out in the high st by some Game and EB stores. I've seen it as low as 99p for an early football game. Better bundles have been stuff like Quake/duke nukem £15 for the pair. If you've got a Saturn I've got Alien Trilogy,Alone in the dark and blast chamber up for swop. After hexen and starfighter amongst others. I don't know what policenauts is? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 17 08:36:28 1999 From: "Si Owen" To: Subject: RE: My take on the SAM Scene Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 08:32:44 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <02ae01bee7c7$6d41ce90$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 669 Lines: 15 Nick Humphries wrote: > Single figure sales and no commitment to rereleasing or compilations > means that these titles are not marketable anymore, so is there any > good reason for not putting them onto an FTP site? It's not surprising sales are low as they're impossible to get hold of! It'd be sad to see some of them being given away when there are a few of us that are still interested in paying for them, if they could find where to buy them from. Could we build a list of known titles and where they can be bought from? Have places like Fred/Persona got full control over certain titles? Are they open for business or when are they expected to be? etc. Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 17 10:16:01 1999 Message-ID: <000101bee8d3$1acf76a0$66418cd4@default> From: "Robert Wilkinson" To: "Sam Usergroup" Subject: Help: Outwrite! Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 10:06:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 757 Lines: 24 I've created so many different versions of Outwrite that I can't remember what version is out there at the moment. I think it's version 2. Trouble is I messed around and did'nt always change the ver number in the program. ( tch,tch smacked wrist ) If anybody uses Outwrite! can they please let me know the following information. When using the drop down menus, can you select an option using the cursor keys and Return, as well as a hot key. Does anyone have version one. If so, when you press the edit key does the top line of the screen flash waiting for an input. Answering these questions will enable me to put the correct version up for grabs. I have Ver 3, but this will only run on a 512k Sam... Could put both up I suppose. Bob Wilkinson. From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Tue Aug 17 14:13:30 1999 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 14:13:30 +0100 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM DEVELOPER FORUM Message-ID: <19990817141330.E26347@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no References: <006801bee811$33d5f2e0$020a0a64@trout> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <006801bee811$33d5f2e0$020a0a64@trout>; from Colin Piggot on Mon, Aug 16, 1999 at 07:00:18PM +0100 Status: RO Content-Length: 792 Lines: 20 On Mon, Aug 16, 1999 at 07:00:18PM +0100, Colin Piggot wrote: > Is there anything wrong with another list? I'm not trying to split it, just > offering > another channel for more serious discussion. Your mailer is still misbehaving. If everyone joins both lists then there is no point in having two lists. If some people leave this list to go to the other one then you will indeed have split the list. If not everyone from this list joins the other one then the rest of the list members will be deprived some Sam-related discussion. But you are not trying to split the list? > The same negativity is being shown here just like when Gavin Smith first > announced his Sam-Community idea, which was nearly scrapped due to the > responces here. Would that have been a bad thing? imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 17 17:49:53 1999 Message-ID: <37B990D2.A3D5192A@bonbon.net> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 17:41:54 +0100 From: Martin Fitzpatrick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Funny Thing References: <00f801bee46e$09f5ed00$14468cd4@default> <37B1D6AC.A9A2B6E0@bonbon.net> <002101bee4b2$24c2a440$64a5fea9@simcooke3> <37B8683D.901E8903@bonbon.net> <007201bee822$cb9dc880$64a5fea9@simcooke3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2135 Lines: 52 Simon Cooke wrote: > > From: Martin Fitzpatrick > > just ignore it".... no big pictures of the sun in my eyes or anything > > - just a might sensitive to light, so i get echos when going from light > > to dark.... give it a few weeks... :o) > > > > ...a fair bit of it is probably psycho somatic anyway - if it had > > happened on any other day of the year I'd probably be fine by now. > > You might also want to take beta-carotine and Vitamin D & E supplements for > a while... they'll improve your night vision (or rather, your eyes ability > to adapt to differing light levels), and that should help get rid of the > effects you're seeing :) Hehe... not only are you a bit good at coding, you also do a bit of health advice :o)... Well, I'll do what you say... I'm already on something (dunno what), can't help to add a bit more in there... At worst it'll improve my diet. I've also taken to wearing shades (any excuse) to reduce the glare.... I think I'll carry on after its sorted anyway - maybe cheaper in the long run than buying lots of anti-glare screen things. The only problem is it gets a bit dark at night... But got to make sacrifices.. On another point, I went to the optician & they did this test thing (to check if my eyes were aligned properly) by beaming a laser into my eye (making a nice red line) horizontally and vertically.... I ended up walking around with a 'cyborg-like' crosshair for the next few minutes... Which (leading onto something vaguely sam related) - about the eye things (yknow like headset things), didn't someone once mention making one to do 3d animations or something on the Sam (or is that my imagination)... It was definately in a sam magazine somewhere.... (Was it you Simon? :o>)... Something to do with displaying an image to the screen then obscuring one eye with an LCD, then showing another and obscuring the other eye.... Just outta interest... Im in the mood to build something ultimately pointless yet strangely entertaining.. Anyways... thanks for the tip Martin -- Email: poohsticks@bonbon.net ICQ#: 11077801 AOL/CServeIM: Flupert From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 17 19:48:19 1999 Message-ID: <37B9AE20.6B64E32C@btinternet.com> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 19:46:56 +0100 From: Thomas Harte X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-* MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Help: Outwrite! References: <000101bee8d3$1acf76a0$66418cd4@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 342 Lines: 8 > Does anyone have version one. If so, when you press the edit key does the > top line of the screen flash waiting for an input. I seem to remember having a version 1 which did the flashing top line thing. Might be confused, but I am fairly sure. Alas that disk (and most everything else) is long dead though, so I can't check. -Thomas From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 17 20:20:12 1999 Message-ID: <37B9B560.141@clara.net> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 20:17:52 +0100 From: Gordon Wallis Organization: HEXdidn't... X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: My take on the SAM Scene References: <00ed01bee7f2$b579c1b0$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> <37B85762.F8501846@ukonline.co.uk> <37B8827D.1FCC@clara.net> <37B885D7.8A334D9A@ukonline.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id UAA00256 Status: RO Content-Length: 1681 Lines: 40 Martin Wilson wrote: [snip] > Well special reserve still have 3do software at £3.99 > Hm. Just think, if I'd actually got a 3DO, I'd be able to buy _that_ version of Policenauts, too! Quite a good version, too, being the 'original' (apart from the PC9821 version which came out the year before) > Saturn stuff is being cleared out in the high st by some Game and EB > stores. I've seen it as low as 99p for an early football game. Better > bundles have been stuff like Quake/duke nukem £15 for the pair. > I think I've got all the UK software I'm after, though I often turn up interesting curiosities in Computer Exchange... Most of the stuff that's still on the shelves in Game or EB is stuff I can easily live without. > If you've got a Saturn I've got Alien Trilogy,Alone in the dark and > blast chamber up for swop. After hexen and starfighter amongst others. > You might try http://www.next-gen.co.uk - I'm fairly sure I saw at least one of those two in their stock, possibly both. They also buy 2nd hand, I think. > I don't know what policenauts is? > Briefly, it's an interactive anime (with shooting bits) by Hideo Kojima (Metal Gear series), set on a huge space colony in the year 2040. It's often called the prequel to Snatcher, but they're not connected, strictly speaking. Unfortunately, the PS/SS English translations were canned when about 90% complete. Not sure if the 3DO got an English version, but it's unlikely. Gord. -- < The HEXdidn't... Homepage: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < ------ Featuring The U.K. Policenauts Homepage ------ > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< http://www.hexdidnt.clara.net > \---------- AOL Instant Messenger: 'hexdidnt' ----------/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 17 22:40:19 1999 Message-ID: <37B9D6AF.9AB82523@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 22:39:59 +0100 From: Martin Wilson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: My take on the SAM Scene References: <00ed01bee7f2$b579c1b0$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> <37B85762.F8501846@ukonline.co.uk> <37B8827D.1FCC@clara.net> <37B885D7.8A334D9A@ukonline.co.uk> <37B9B560.141@clara.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id WAA01760 Status: RO Content-Length: 966 Lines: 21 Gordon Wallis wrote: > > Martin Wilson wrote: > [snip] > > Well special reserve still have 3do software at £3.99 > > On the subject of Special Reserve I'm well annoyed with them. I ordered a slot 1 converter from them on a sunday then quickly discovered about a half hour later that their price was about three times that of another supplier. So I went back to the special reserve site to find the sales department email address like you would for many internet shopping sites but there isn't one. I used the webmasters email address to cancel the slot 1 converter but they still sent it anyway or at least it now says on the site it has been despatched. I couldn't believe its a truly crap internet shopping site. To be honest its completely put me off special reserve I probably won't shop there again unless I see a mega bargain. I don't like this sort of thing. Theres bound to be questions, complications etc occasionally so why no contact email addresses? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 17 23:00:26 1999 Message-ID: <000701bdca21$c04327c0$365808c3@persona> From: "David L" To: References: <00ed01bee7f2$b579c1b0$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> <37B85762.F8501846@ukonline.co.uk> <37B8827D.1FCC@clara.net> <37B885D7.8A334D9A@ukonline.co.uk> <37B9B560.141@clara.net> <37B9D6AF.9AB82523@ukonline.co.uk> Subject: Re: My take on the SAM Scene Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 21:58:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id XAA02070 Status: RO Content-Length: 1385 Lines: 39 The only reason for shopping around for a Celery adaptor is if u want one of the modified ones for Clocking or dual process use... If not, we do them at work for 5 ex vat ;) David (Actually - think they are duel processor ready!) ----- Original Message ----- From: Martin Wilson To: Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 1999 10:39 PM Subject: Re: My take on the SAM Scene Gordon Wallis wrote: > > Martin Wilson wrote: > [snip] > > Well special reserve still have 3do software at £3.99 > > On the subject of Special Reserve I'm well annoyed with them. I ordered a slot 1 converter from them on a sunday then quickly discovered about a half hour later that their price was about three times that of another supplier. So I went back to the special reserve site to find the sales department email address like you would for many internet shopping sites but there isn't one. I used the webmasters email address to cancel the slot 1 converter but they still sent it anyway or at least it now says on the site it has been despatched. I couldn't believe its a truly crap internet shopping site. To be honest its completely put me off special reserve I probably won't shop there again unless I see a mega bargain. I don't like this sort of thing. Theres bound to be questions, complications etc occasionally so why no contact email addresses? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 18 08:10:10 1999 From: "Si Owen" To: Subject: RE: My take on the SAM Scene Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 08:08:40 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000701bdca21$c04327c0$365808c3@persona> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 337 Lines: 9 Dave L wrote: > The only reason for shopping around for a Celery adaptor is if u want one of > the modified ones for Clocking or dual process use... I highly recommend the ABit BP6 for a ready to go dual-Slot370 motherboard - I've got 2 C366s running happily at 550 in one, with little more than a few changes in the BIOS settings. Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 18 21:27:54 1999 Message-ID: <005701bdcadc$23f33840$c45208c3@persona> From: "David L" To: References: Subject: Re: My take on the SAM Scene Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 20:12:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 774 Lines: 31 After seeing how many Abit boards are dealt with via our returns department - I wouldn't recommend this to anyone! Just get an Athlon instead if you want a DECENT bit of power at a reasonable cost ;) david (Guess what I'm saving up for?!) ----- Original Message ----- From: Si Owen To: Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 1999 8:08 AM Subject: RE: My take on the SAM Scene > Dave L wrote: > > The only reason for shopping around for a Celery adaptor is if u want one of > > the modified ones for Clocking or dual process use... > > I highly recommend the ABit BP6 for a ready to go dual-Slot370 motherboard - > I've got 2 C366s running happily at 550 in one, with little more than a few > changes in the BIOS settings. > > Si > > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 18 22:04:15 1999 Message-ID: <007f01bdcae2$a2f31060$215708c3@persona> From: "David L" To: "sam-users" Subject: Hmmm - on topic discussion again. Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 20:58:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007C_01BDCAEB.03E4E620" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1077 Lines: 34 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007C_01BDCAEB.03E4E620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And since when has dual celeron processing been relevant to SAM ? Now that was something that was discussed by Edwin a while ago.... ------=_NextPart_000_007C_01BDCAEB.03E4E620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_007C_01BDCAEB.03E4E620-- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 18 22:15:41 1999 Message-ID: <001701beea01$768754c0$6414ac3e@default> From: "Robert Wilkinson" To: Subject: Re: Help: Outwrite! Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 22:11:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 664 Lines: 30 -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Harte To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: 17 August 1999 11:52 Subject: Re: Help: Outwrite! >> Does anyone have version one. If so, when you press the edit key does the >> top line of the screen flash waiting for an input. > > I seem to remember having a version 1 which did the flashing top line thing. >Might be confused, but I am fairly sure. Alas that disk (and most everything >else) is long dead though, so I can't check. > > -Thomas > Thanks Thomas. Anybody else remember version 2. Did it have cursor control in the menus or just hot keys.. I need to know Bob W From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 19 01:57:49 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop3.house Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001701beea01$768754c0$6414ac3e@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 23:55:42 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Help: Outwrite! X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 542 Lines: 20 At 10:59 pm +0100 18/8/99, Robert Wilkinson wrote: >Anybody else remember version 2. Did it have cursor control in the menus or >just hot keys.. > >I need to know Istchester buying Outwrite at one of the Gloucester shows. The version number says 2.0, and you *can* use cursor keys in the menus. Heath, Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 19 07:58:29 1999 Message-ID: <001301beea52$ed0e2e60$ff14ac3e@default> From: "Robert Wilkinson" To: Subject: Re: Help: Outwrite! Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 07:46:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 294 Lines: 17 > >>Anybody else remember version 2. Did it have cursor control in the menus or >>just hot keys.. >> > >Istchester buying Outwrite at one of the Gloucester shows. The version >number says 2.0, and you *can* use cursor keys in the menus. > Thats what I needed to know. Thanks Bob Wilkinson From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 19 10:24:14 1999 From: "Si Owen" To: Subject: RE: Hmmm - on topic discussion again. Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:20:32 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <007f01bdcae2$a2f31060$215708c3@persona> Importance: Normal X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 298 Lines: 12 Dave L wrote: > And since when has dual celeron processing been relevant to SAM ? er, well I can run a SimCoupe on them! It was as on-topic as your message about Celery adaptors! > Now that was something that was discussed by Edwin a while ago.... Musta been before I rejoined the list... Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 19 10:45:36 1999 From: "Si Owen" To: Subject: OT: Celery, Athlon and other vegetables (was: RE: My take on the SAM Scene) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:39:14 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <005701bdcadc$23f33840$c45208c3@persona> Importance: Normal X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id KAA24994 Status: RO Content-Length: 753 Lines: 22 Dave L wrote: > After seeing how many Abit boards are dealt with via our returns > department - I wouldn't recommend this to anyone! Then you've been very unlucky - my last 4 boards have been ABit (HX->LX->BH->BP) and I've not had any problems. General review sites also speak highly of them. What sort of problems do you get with them? > Just get an Athlon instead if you want a DECENT bit of power at a reasonable > cost ;) And dual-550 isn't decent? Uniprocessor in Win98 is fast enough, but it flies under NT and Linux (kernel compile in under 2 mins). > (Guess what I'm saving up for?!) The BP6 board and the two chips cost me £205 inc VAT, which is pretty incredible bang for buck - who needs to save up? ;-) How much are Athlons? Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 19 13:22:51 1999 From: David Ledbury To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: OT: Celery, Athlon and other vegetables (was: RE: My take on the SAM Scene) X-Sender: persona@clara.co.uk X-Mailer: ClaraNet WWW E-Mail Client Date: Thu, 19 Aug 99 13:03:32 BST Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 195 Lines: 6 > The BP6 board and the two chips cost me =A3205 inc VAT, which is pretty > incredible bang for buck - who needs to save up? ;-) How much are Athlo= > ns? only 195 + the dreaded v word.... ! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 19 21:20:35 1999 From: "Johnna Teare" To: persona@clara.co.uk Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 11:55:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: SAM Downloads CC: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 3119 Lines: 79 On 16 Aug 99, at 16:25, David Ledbury wrote: > > On 15 Aug 99, at 22:24, Martin Wilson wrote: > > > > > > The last time this one was mentioned someone went on to say that > > > > they shouldn't be uploaded because of various copyright reasons. > > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > > I think before u even think of doing this - you should contact Persona: > their telephone number is on my website www.persona.clara.net The reasons why we've put this debate into the public forum is to get feedback and debate the issue publically. Certainly the arguments _for_ putting some downloads up are clear. I'm waiting for someone to enter into the public forum and explain the reasons _against_. Of course I'm not out to put everybody in the SAM world out of a job, and I don't want to damage any potential trade that might exist, but most of teh games and utilities that I would be interested in putting on an ftp were written ten years ago - thing like MultiPack, Mind Games, Defenders etc. Utils like Etracker - freeware anyway now, perhaps version 1 of the MIDI Sequencer, Football Director II, Famous Five, Issues 1-50 of FRED, pretty much every other disk magazine. Most of the people on this list are likely to already have this stuff anyway - the only people who'd be getting freebies would be those who were new to the SAM Emulator scene - people who are unlikely to buy any of this software from a company whilst just dabbling with the SAM but who would possibly putmoney into the SAM if they got interested in it. Companies have been flogging some of this software for ten years now - imagine if Ocean were selling Hunchback or Mr Wimpy for full price whilst they were releasing Chase HQ on the Speccy - it would have been ridiculous. There's nothing stopping people from putting the files up there now - stick them on an ftp in another country, Russia for example, and you'd have a nightmare trying to bring a copyright suit against them. However, the whole thing is much better done in cooperation with the SAM world rather than against it. A better idea would be to knock up a CDR with everything the SAM has had written for it on it plus an emulator. You could then flog this and redirect some money back into the companies who participated. The last tim this kind of idea was mooted around, various 'industry heavies' if indeed we have a SAM industry scrambled around desperately trying to put a stop to it all to preserve their crumbling monopolies. Sorry folks, but its open season now. Either come up with some attractive ways of remarketing games that most SAM owners already have, or expect the worst. This is a chance to do somethig a bit different and take the SAM into the new millenium with a chance of survival - even if it is only in emulated form. Go on - send me the death threats that usually accompany anybody who tries to undermine the great Fred / Format empire. [god i love stirring it up!] > > > -- > Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 19 21:54:11 1999 From: "Robert van der Veeke" To: Subject: Re: SAM Downloads Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 22:53:11 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19990819205207.DFCBB3B0C@maillist.kabelfoon.nl> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1806 Lines: 44 > Van: Johnna Teare > Aan: persona@clara.co.uk > CC: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Onderwerp: Re: SAM Downloads > Datum: Tuesday, August 17, 1999 12:55 > Sorry folks, but its open season now. Either come up with some > attractive ways of remarketing games that most SAM owners > already have, or expect the worst. Why expecting it? It is already here, the Sam is dead as a doornail. At least that is what is happening in the Dutch situation, only a handfull of active Sam-users remain, and basically have everything that money could buy for the Sam. So don't expect a market overhere. Even in the very unlikely case that there are people who are willing to buy a Sam overhere in the Netherlands, there is no way that they gonna pay another 100 to a 150 quid for a decent collection of software. And i don't blame them (mind you, all back-issue's of Fred alone would (if they cost a pound per issue) cost you 80 pounds). > This is a chance to do somethig a bit different and take the SAM > into the new millenium with a chance of survival - even if it is only > in emulated form. Emulation is the only way forward at this moment, unless Bob makes a full U-turn and starts promoting and selling the Sam with full and honest enthousiasm. But don't expect much from the new emulator-users unless they already own or have owned a Sam Coupe when it comes to programming-projects. > Go on - send me the death threats that usually accompany > anybody who tries to undermine the great Fred / Format empire. > > [god i love stirring it up!] I know the feeling, and i am glad you did. -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Currently listening to : Cardcaptor Sakura - OST The trick to walking upright is not to use your knuckles. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 20 08:42:41 1999 Subject: Re: SAM Downloads To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 08:40:21 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <19990819205207.DFCBB3B0C@maillist.kabelfoon.nl> from "Robert van der Veeke" at Aug 19, 99 10:53:11 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Gale X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 561 Lines: 13 > Emulation is the only way forward at this moment, unless Bob makes a full > U-turn and starts promoting and selling the Sam with full and honest > enthousiasm. > It really annoys me to think of the stockpiles of ASICs just rotting in a corner somewhere. It'd be perfectly possible to put together a decent SBC with SAM BASIC for the electronics enthusiast market for 20 or 30 quid, but no.... Full-blown SAMs would never sell now, it's not like the Atari ST or Amiga market where there are some die-hard enthusiasts with decent modern software to use. Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 20 09:23:36 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851CA1@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: SAM Downloads Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:29:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 652 Lines: 15 >It really annoys me to think of the stockpiles of ASICs just rotting >in a corner somewhere. It'd be perfectly possible to put together a >decent SBC with SAM BASIC for the electronics enthusiast market for >20 or 30 quid, but no.... Full-blown SAMs would never sell now, it's >not like the Atari ST or Amiga market where there are some die-hard >enthusiasts with decent modern software to use. I mentioned to Bob ages ago that he should advertise the SAM in electronics magazines. It's an excellent platform for electronics experiments.... It's the one reason why I got my SAM out of the attic a couple of years ago. But, "No!" he said... Justin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 20 09:53:15 1999 X-sendmail-revision: 29-Mar-1999 (23) by ant@tissoft.co.uk Message-ID: <02f101beeae9$358598e0$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> From: "Nick Humphries" To: , Subject: Re: SAM Downloads Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:51:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1094 Lines: 31 From: Johnna Teare >There's nothing stopping people from putting the files up there now >- stick them on an ftp in another country, Russia for example, and >you'd have a nightmare trying to bring a copyright suit against >them. However, the whole thing is much better done in cooperation >with the SAM world rather than against it. One thing to remember is that there's been a recent case where a Brit put up illegal material onto a website in some Eastern European country, but still got taken to court here because that's where he did the uploading. But there's not much you can do if you have an anonymous webmaster running it all. Not that I'm advocating that of course... >Sorry folks, but its open season now. Either come up with some >attractive ways of remarketing games that most SAM owners >already have, or expect the worst. Like it or not, this is indeed the case - either have a hand in it now and have some influence, or be frozen out forever. >[god i love stirring it up!] Well, these things have to be said. Nick From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 20 10:05:29 1999 Message-ID: <002301beeb2d$f7680e40$6a1eac3e@default> From: "Robert Wilkinson" To: "Sam Usergroup" Subject: Downloads. Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:02:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 139 Lines: 8 Iv'e sent Outwrite! and a Morse code tutor to David Ledbury to place on the Persona site. Anybody else got something... Bob Wilkinson. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 20 10:19:02 1999 Subject: Re: SAM Downloads To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:04:26 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851CA1@mailhost.aculab.com> from "Justin Skists" at Aug 20, 99 09:29:29 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Gale X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 502 Lines: 12 > electronics magazines. It's an excellent platform for electronics > experiments.... It's the one reason why I got my SAM out of the attic > a couple of years ago. > It's the only thing I use my SAM for, and very convenient it is too. A real wated opportunity, if you ask me. Tweak the BASIC ROM to accept input from a PC keyboard, modify the DOS (and hold it in ROM) to read/write an EEPROM, add a PIO, and a serial interface to back-up files to a PC, and hey bingo: a perfect tinkerer's machine. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 20 10:19:02 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851CA5@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: Downloads. Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:13:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 417 Lines: 21 Damn! I knew I should keep a few DS/DD disks handy, here, at work!!!! Thanks. :) Justin. > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Wilkinson [SMTP:Wilkinson40@tesco.net] > Sent: Friday, August 20, 1999 6:03 PM > To: Sam Usergroup > Subject: Downloads. > > Iv'e sent Outwrite! and a Morse code tutor to David Ledbury to place on > the > Persona site. > > Anybody else got something... > > Bob Wilkinson. > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 20 10:23:12 1999 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:21:00 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@orange.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM Downloads In-Reply-To: <02f101beeae9$358598e0$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1267 Lines: 34 On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, Nick Humphries wrote: > >[god i love stirring it up!] > > Well, these things have to be said. Said to whom? As I understand it Colin MacDonald sold all the FRED copyrights; the Brenchley doesn't appear to be subscribed at the moment; and David L seems not to be involved with Persona any more. In fact I don't think anyone on Sam-users has the power to actually do anything about this, or at least not legally. (In fact, some months ago I considered the idea of putting Syncytium - possibly excepting one or two programs - online, but even my own hands are tied until someone from Persona gets back in contact to me.) It's difficult to contact anyone who owns anything anymore - and that's assuming you can even work out who owns what. The only person I'm convinced is familiar with enough of the details to be sure about the situation is Bob who, frankly, I certainly wouldn't trust to give a straight answer were he ever asked. Which just about puts the tin lid on the whole thing, unfortunately. Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Fri Aug 20 10:30:39 1999 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:30:39 +0100 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM Downloads Message-ID: <19990820103039.B5098@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no References: <02f101beeae9$358598e0$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Andrew Collier on Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 10:21:00AM +0100 Status: RO Content-Length: 466 Lines: 16 On Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 10:21:00AM +0100, Andrew Collier wrote: > As I understand it Colin MacDonald sold all the FRED copyrights; To whom? > the Brenchley doesn't appear to be subscribed at the moment; and David L > seems not to be involved with Persona any more. So who *is* involved with Persona? > It's difficult to contact anyone who owns anything anymore That must make it rather difficult to buy anything - no wonder there isn't much of a market... imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 20 10:54:04 1999 Message-ID: <37BD24F8.9B31F84A@physics.org> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:50:50 +0100 From: Diggory Gray X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM Downloads References: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851CA1@mailhost.aculab.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 805 Lines: 22 > I mentioned to Bob ages ago that he should advertise the SAM in > electronics magazines. It's an excellent platform for electronics > experiments.... It's the one reason why I got my SAM out of the attic > a couple of years ago. > > But, "No!" he said... > > Justin. To add to that :) A while (OK a very long time ago) when the SAM came out it was featured in the Magazine Everyday Electronics, where they did some stuff about its interface, etc... I was too young to do much with it then. Unfortunately due to various problems we all know about, they stopped the SAM & speccy column. I believe they have a PC one now. Diggory -- /\ /\ "Be quick to judge yourself and / \_/ \ slow to judge others" / . . \EOW CAT Y http://homepages.tesco.net/~Diggory/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 20 11:04:11 1999 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:54:31 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@orange.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM Downloads In-Reply-To: <19990820103039.B5098@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1867 Lines: 47 On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, Ian Collier wrote: > On Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 10:21:00AM +0100, Andrew Collier wrote: > > As I understand it Colin MacDonald sold all the FRED copyrights; > > To whom? IIRC Darren Wileman. Who did nothing until selling it to someone else. I think it all may eventually have got as far as Persona, but I lose track. > > the Brenchley doesn't appear to be subscribed at the moment; and David L > > seems not to be involved with Persona any more. > > So who *is* involved with Persona? Malcolm's family, as far as I can gather. But, well - shortly after Malcolm's death noone knew whether Persona would be continuing, and there were various (entirely reasonable and understandable) requests not to overwhelm the family with enquiries about Malcolm's old business. And as far as I was aware, that hadn't changed. Which is why I hadn't written nor phoned - not wanting to upset anyone I've been just waiting until some sort of announcement was made. But so far there's been nothing. And yet, the website implies that Persona is open for business, at the old address. I just don't know whether to believe that or not, since the site doesn't appear to have been updated that much for a long while. For some time I've been wanting to buy Chris Pile's "Defender" game. But I've been too nervous about Persona's current stalemate to dare send a cheque - who knows if I'd ever see it again? > > It's difficult to contact anyone who owns anything anymore > > That must make it rather difficult to buy anything - no wonder there isn't > much of a market... Yes, this is precisely what Si Owen was saying too. Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 20 11:53:06 1999 From: "Si Owen" To: Subject: RE: SAM Downloads Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:45:31 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 817 Lines: 17 Andrew Collier wrote: > For some time I've been wanting to buy Chris Pile's "Defender" game. But > I've been too nervous about Persona's current stalemate to dare send a > cheque - who knows if I'd ever see it again? Back in April I was asking about buying software from Persona and Dave Ledbury said I should be fine to place an order, making the cheque payable to Mrs Mackenzie. I didn't receive the order and the cheque was never payed in AFAIK (don't they expire after about 6 months?). Hopefully Persona will be back up and running at some point so I can re-order the items (including Defender :-)), but I've been waiting for a message from David before I do anything. It's a shame that so many items are stuck until Persona's back, but I understand the sensitive situation so am prepared to wait a bit. Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 20 14:08:03 1999 Message-ID: <003501beeb0c$9a6e3000$25c448c2@chris--pc.> From: "Chris Pile" To: Subject: Re: SAM Downloads Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:04:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1159 Lines: 35 -----Original Message----- From: Si Owen >Hopefully Persona will be back up and running at some point so I can re-order >the items (including Defender :-)), but I've been waiting for a message from >David before I do anything. It's a shame that so many items are stuck until >Persona's back, but I understand the sensitive situation so am prepared to >wait a bit. No written contract was ever drawn up with Persona regarding the rights to Defender, so technically I still own all rights to it... However, the game was written to be marketed by Persona and a sort of 'verbal agreement' was made between myself and Malcolm. Personally I have no objections about releasing Defender into the PD, and I've mentioned this to David L. on several occasions. After all, the game was never going to make any money and it seems a shame for it to remain hidden forever... However, it would be morally wrong of me to release it without his 'permission' as he seems to be the only tangible link to Persona. So far he's been rather vague about the whole thing, which is not his fault as I think he's as 'in the dark' as the rest of us. Chris. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 20 14:33:57 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851CB3@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: SAM Downloads Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:28:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 270 Lines: 12 >From Chris Pile: > So far he's been rather >vague >about the whole thing, which is not his fault as I think he's as 'in the >dark' as the >rest of us. This is true.. He still hasn't been given permission to release the latest in the Blitz disk-mag series... Justin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 20 15:33:35 1999 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 15:23:22 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@red.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM Downloads In-Reply-To: <003501beeb0c$9a6e3000$25c448c2@chris--pc.> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1319 Lines: 32 On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, Chris Pile wrote: > No written contract was ever drawn up with Persona regarding the rights to > Defender, so technically I still own all rights to it... However, the game > was > written to be marketed by Persona and a sort of 'verbal agreement' was made > between myself and Malcolm. > > Personally I have no objections about releasing Defender into the PD, and > I've > mentioned this to David L. on several occasions. After all, the game was > never > going to make any money and it seems a shame for it to remain hidden > forever... Syncytium is in the same boat entirely, except it is much older (and shows it!). I really think it has sold as many copies as it is going to, at least at its current price. But I agree with Si - Defender is still quite new and I don't think it has had a chance to sell to its entire market yet. Has it ever been for sale at a Gloucester show, for example? (I often tried to buy software at shows rather than by mail, partly because you can only be sure a product is released when you've got a copy in your hand...) Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 20 16:18:16 1999 From: "Si Owen" To: Subject: RE: SAM Downloads Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 16:12:24 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 422 Lines: 10 Andrew Collier wrote: > But I agree with Si - Defender is still quite new and I don't think it has > had a chance to sell to its entire market yet. Has it ever been for sale > at a Gloucester show, for example? I'm up for buying it from anyone that's offering (legally)! I can't remember what else I was interested in buying now tho. I'll have to have a look around for some reviews - I'm open to suggestions too... Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 20 16:34:20 1999 Message-ID: <001201beeb1f$2846e180$a5c348c2@chris--pc.> From: "Chris Pile" To: Subject: Re: SAM Downloads Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 16:17:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 847 Lines: 23 -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Collier >But I agree with Si - Defender is still quite new and I don't think it has >had a chance to sell to its entire market yet. Has it ever been for sale >at a Gloucester show, for example? I'm not sure. I think it was demoed at the last NSSS Malcolm attended, as for other outlets I can't say. I did produce a playable demo for the next issue of Blitz but I don't know if it will be included. Assuming there will be a next issue of Blitz that is!! >(I often tried to buy software at shows >rather than by mail, partly because you can only be sure a product is >released when you've got a copy in your hand...) Agreed. However, I can assure you Defender is complete. In fact it was finished back in February. Sadly, now getting hold of a copy is a different story... Chris. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 20 17:06:16 1999 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 16:47:32 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@red.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: RE: SAM Downloads In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 741 Lines: 21 On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, Si Owen wrote: > I can't remember > what else I was interested in buying now tho. I'll have to have a look around > for some reviews - I'm open to suggestions too... Don't forget that Astroball and Dyzonium are also bundled with Defender... both superb games too, IMHO (they each got "Game Of The Month!" in Second Opinion - see http://mnemotech.ucam.org/zodiac.html for reviews). Funny that! Wasn't someone saying that old games should start getting packaged in compilations? Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 20 17:27:48 1999 Message-ID: <000c01beeb28$cd5261a0$bec448c2@chris--pc.> From: "Chris Pile" To: Subject: Re: SAM Downloads Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:26:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 491 Lines: 13 -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Collier >Don't forget that Astroball and Dyzonium are also bundled with Defender... >both superb games too, IMHO (they each got "Game Of The Month!" in Second >Opinion - see http://mnemotech.ucam.org/zodiac.html for reviews). Check out the 3d racing game RE-VOLT, due out on the PC shortly. This was written by Balor Knight (who know works at Acclaim), the author of both Astroball & Dyzonium... That's *almost* on topic! ;-) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 20 17:27:48 1999 From: "Johnna Teare" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:26:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: SAM Stuff for sale In-reply-to: <02f101beeae9$358598e0$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id RAA02909 Status: RO Content-Length: 926 Lines: 34 Anybody who wants some SAM software, I'm selling the rest of mine... All magazines £1 each FRED 1-75 SAM Supp 1-24 SCAC 1-12 (although you can downloads these anyway from somewhere) Newsdisk 1-5 Various others (enceladus, primus etc.) Make an offer for the games (some have got the original boxes which you can have if you pay postage on them) Famous Five, Witchin Hour, Lemmings, Ore Warz 2 (NEVER RELEASED!), Labyrinth, Bombs Away, Invaders, Muncher, PoP, Quizball, Defenders, bulgulators, dyzonium (which are shareware anyway iirc), batz n ballz, manic miner, eftpotrm, klax, Make an offer for utils: SAM C, Sam Vision, ETracker, Sound Machine, sam paint, SCADs, SC_DTP, SC_Word PRO V1, SC_Pro V2 And if you're really feeling flush: SAM 512k with Disk Drive Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 20 17:27:48 1999 From: "Johnna Teare" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:26:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: SAM Downloads References: <02f101beeae9$358598e0$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1129 Lines: 36 On 20 Aug 99, at 10:21, Andrew Collier wrote: > It's difficult to contact anyone who owns anything anymore - and that's > assuming you can even work out who owns what. The only person I'm > convinced is familiar with enough of the details to be sure about the > situation is Bob who, frankly, I certainly wouldn't trust to give a > straight answer were he ever asked. > > Which just about puts the tin lid on the whole thing, unfortunately. > But if we could all agree in principle to trying to release some of the earlier stuff from their contracts we could get quite a nice little database of stuff up online. And where has Bob gone? I've normally got a mailbox of hatemail by now for suggesting stuf like this... > Andrew > > -- > -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other > -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a > -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file > -- > > > Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 20 17:27:48 1999 From: "Johnna Teare" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:26:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: SAM Downloads In-reply-to: <19990819205207.DFCBB3B0C@maillist.kabelfoon.nl> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1584 Lines: 38 On 19 Aug 99, at 22:53, Robert van der Veeke wrote: > Even in the very unlikely case that there are people who are willing to > buy a Sam overhere in the Netherlands, there is no way that they gonna pay > another 100 to a 150 quid for a decent collection of software. And i don't > blame them (mind you, all back-issue's of Fred alone would (if they cost a > pound per issue) cost you 80 pounds). > Which is why issue 1-30 at the vey least should be released on an ftp somewhere. > > This is a chance to do somethig a bit different and take the SAM > > into the new millenium with a chance of survival - even if it is only in > > emulated form. > > Emulation is the only way forward at this moment, unless Bob makes a full > U-turn and starts promoting and selling the Sam with full and honest > enthousiasm. But don't expect much from the new emulator-users unless they > already own or have owned a Sam Coupe when it comes to > programming-projects. > But SIMCoupe might just bring back into the fold some of teh talented programmers we've lost. Without a doubt some of teh best programmers have originated on Speccy and then moved to Sam. Just look at what a small user base we had, and then look at the quality of some of the games we got. Wouldn't it be nice if people who had gone on to better things were able to double click on a little Sim Coupe icon on their desktop and run off some more works of art for fun? Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 20 17:45:16 1999 From: "Johnna Teare" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:44:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: SAM Downloads References: In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1057 Lines: 35 On 20 Aug 99, at 16:47, Andrew Collier wrote: > Don't forget that Astroball and Dyzonium are also bundled with Defender... > both superb games too, IMHO (they each got "Game Of The Month!" in Second > Opinion - see http://mnemotech.ucam.org/zodiac.html for reviews). >From what I remember, The Bulgulators and Dyzonium were released as shareware anyway, when Lemmings went overdue. Certainly all those who had paid for Lemmings but had not yet received it got a disk with lemmings demo on and those two games > > Funny that! Wasn't someone saying that old games should start getting > packaged in compilations? But where can we get it from? > > Andrew > > -- > -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other > -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a > -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file > -- > > > Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 20 19:39:16 1999 From: "Paul Walker" Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 16:33:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: SAM Downloads Message-ID: References: <02f101beeae9$358598e0$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) X-Hops: 1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 492 Lines: 14 [snip] > situation is Bob who, frankly, I certainly wouldn't trust to give a > straight answer were he ever asked. > Which just about puts the tin lid on the whole thing, unfortunately. Why? Do it anyway, and see what Bob does. Unlikely to be anything now, given that the Sam is effectively dead (and has been for quite some time). -- Paul The INTJ's Prayer: Lord keep me open to others' ideas, WRONG though they may be. -- quoted by Kevin Scaldeferri in sci.physics, 10th July 1998. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 20 20:08:44 1999 Message-ID: <37BDA757.11AD46E0@btinternet.com> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 20:07:03 +0100 From: Thomas Harte X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-* MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM Stuff for sale References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id UAA04724 Status: RO Content-Length: 385 Lines: 9 > Famous Five, Witchin Hour, Lemmings, Ore Warz 2 (NEVER > RELEASED!), Labyrinth, Bombs Away, Invaders, Muncher, PoP, > Quizball, Defenders, bulgulators, dyzonium (which are shareware > anyway iirc), batz n ballz, manic miner, eftpotrm, klax, Anybody know which of these I could use with SIM Coupé? Also, sorry to remove from the mystique, but Ore Warz 2 is on nvg . . . -Thomas From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 20 20:22:30 1999 Message-ID: <001d01bdcc67$0800a640$5b5808c3@persona> From: "David L" To: References: <003501beeb0c$9a6e3000$25c448c2@chris--pc.> Subject: Re: SAM Downloads Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:19:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1757 Lines: 59 And that, to be perfectly honest, is bang on! I've had Blitz 9 ready for months and months and months - sent off 2 copies, sent several emails, left several messages.... and people wonder why *I* am pissed off! I do intend to sort something out (hopefully this weekend if I get a few hours to myself!) with Colin McD & Chris P - so please hold fire!!! David ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Pile To: Sent: Friday, August 20, 1999 2:04 PM Subject: Re: SAM Downloads > -----Original Message----- > From: Si Owen > > > >Hopefully Persona will be back up and running at some point so I can > re-order > >the items (including Defender :-)), but I've been waiting for a message > from > >David before I do anything. It's a shame that so many items are stuck > until > >Persona's back, but I understand the sensitive situation so am prepared to > >wait a bit. > > No written contract was ever drawn up with Persona regarding the rights to > Defender, so technically I still own all rights to it... However, the game > was > written to be marketed by Persona and a sort of 'verbal agreement' was made > between myself and Malcolm. > > Personally I have no objections about releasing Defender into the PD, and > I've > mentioned this to David L. on several occasions. After all, the game was > never > going to make any money and it seems a shame for it to remain hidden > forever... > > However, it would be morally wrong of me to release it without his > 'permission' as > he seems to be the only tangible link to Persona. So far he's been rather > vague > about the whole thing, which is not his fault as I think he's as 'in the > dark' as the > rest of us. > > Chris. > > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 20 20:22:30 1999 Message-ID: <002f01bdcc67$3d7f69a0$5b5808c3@persona> From: "David L" To: References: Subject: Re: SAM Stuff for sale Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:20:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id UAA04842 Status: RO Content-Length: 1265 Lines: 47 I could do with at least one copy of all those titles. What's a fair - and not forgetting I'm no millionare - price for them all (software wise!)? ----- Original Message ----- From: Johnna Teare To: Sent: Friday, August 20, 1999 6:26 PM Subject: SAM Stuff for sale Anybody who wants some SAM software, I'm selling the rest of mine... All magazines £1 each FRED 1-75 SAM Supp 1-24 SCAC 1-12 (although you can downloads these anyway from somewhere) Newsdisk 1-5 Various others (enceladus, primus etc.) Make an offer for the games (some have got the original boxes which you can have if you pay postage on them) Famous Five, Witchin Hour, Lemmings, Ore Warz 2 (NEVER RELEASED!), Labyrinth, Bombs Away, Invaders, Muncher, PoP, Quizball, Defenders, bulgulators, dyzonium (which are shareware anyway iirc), batz n ballz, manic miner, eftpotrm, klax, Make an offer for utils: SAM C, Sam Vision, ETracker, Sound Machine, sam paint, SCADs, SC_DTP, SC_Word PRO V1, SC_Pro V2 And if you're really feeling flush: SAM 512k with Disk Drive Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 20 20:31:44 1999 Message-ID: <003901bdcc67$529d9a00$5b5808c3@persona> From: "David L" To: References: <000c01beeb28$cd5261a0$bec448c2@chris--pc.> Subject: Re: SAM Downloads Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:21:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 697 Lines: 27 Smashing! ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Pile To: Sent: Friday, August 20, 1999 5:26 PM Subject: Re: SAM Downloads > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Collier > > > >Don't forget that Astroball and Dyzonium are also bundled with Defender... > >both superb games too, IMHO (they each got "Game Of The Month!" in Second > >Opinion - see http://mnemotech.ucam.org/zodiac.html for reviews). > > > Check out the 3d racing game RE-VOLT, due out on the PC shortly. This was > written by Balor Knight (who know works at Acclaim), the author of both > Astroball > & Dyzonium... That's *almost* on topic! ;-) > > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 20 20:31:44 1999 Message-ID: <008701bdcc68$46f88880$5b5808c3@persona> From: "David L" To: References: <002f01bdcc67$3d7f69a0$5b5808c3@persona> Subject: Re: SAM Stuff for sale Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:28:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 868 Lines: 32 Oh - and Malcolm managed to sort out owner ship on just about all of these (exc3eept the jupiter stuff (excluding Booty!)!) ----- Original Message ----- From: David L To: Sent: Thursday, August 20, 1998 7:20 PM Subject: Re: SAM Stuff for sale Famous Five, Witchin Hour, Lemmings, Ore Warz 2 (NEVER RELEASED!), Labyrinth, Bombs Away, Invaders, Muncher, PoP, Quizball, Defenders, bulgulators, dyzonium (which are shareware anyway iirc), batz n ballz, manic miner, eftpotrm, klax, Make an offer for utils: SAM C, Sam Vision, ETracker, Sound Machine, sam paint, SCADs, SC_DTP, SC_Word PRO V1, SC_Pro V2 And if you're really feeling flush: SAM 512k with Disk Drive Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 21 00:08:52 1999 Message-ID: <000601beeb60$d0989180$0aa2edc1@pre-installedco> From: "Jonathan Bristow" To: Subject: Re: SAM Downloads Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 00:07:43 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 3743 Lines: 98 Great, fine... I would love to buy up all the software titles that my newly acquired SAM could revel in, trouble is that with the "Crap" Response that i have had concerning getting hold of a replacement internal master drive, i see little point!! Unlike you (so you say) I am not trying to whip up some trouble, just trying to make sense of having a SAM other than it being a collectors item! Respect Jonathan -----Original Message----- From: Johnna Teare To: persona@clara.co.uk Cc: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: 19 August 1999 21:25 Subject: Re: SAM Downloads On 16 Aug 99, at 16:25, David Ledbury wrote: > > On 15 Aug 99, at 22:24, Martin Wilson wrote: > > > > > > The last time this one was mentioned someone went on to say that > > > > they shouldn't be uploaded because of various copyright reasons. > > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > > I think before u even think of doing this - you should contact Persona: > their telephone number is on my website www.persona.clara.net The reasons why we've put this debate into the public forum is to get feedback and debate the issue publically. Certainly the arguments _for_ putting some downloads up are clear. I'm waiting for someone to enter into the public forum and explain the reasons _against_. Of course I'm not out to put everybody in the SAM world out of a job, and I don't want to damage any potential trade that might exist, but most of teh games and utilities that I would be interested in putting on an ftp were written ten years ago - thing like MultiPack, Mind Games, Defenders etc. Utils like Etracker - freeware anyway now, perhaps version 1 of the MIDI Sequencer, Football Director II, Famous Five, Issues 1-50 of FRED, pretty much every other disk magazine. Most of the people on this list are likely to already have this stuff anyway - the only people who'd be getting freebies would be those who were new to the SAM Emulator scene - people who are unlikely to buy any of this software from a company whilst just dabbling with the SAM but who would possibly putmoney into the SAM if they got interested in it. Companies have been flogging some of this software for ten years now - imagine if Ocean were selling Hunchback or Mr Wimpy for full price whilst they were releasing Chase HQ on the Speccy - it would have been ridiculous. There's nothing stopping people from putting the files up there now - stick them on an ftp in another country, Russia for example, and you'd have a nightmare trying to bring a copyright suit against them. However, the whole thing is much better done in cooperation with the SAM world rather than against it. A better idea would be to knock up a CDR with everything the SAM has had written for it on it plus an emulator. You could then flog this and redirect some money back into the companies who participated. The last tim this kind of idea was mooted around, various 'industry heavies' if indeed we have a SAM industry scrambled around desperately trying to put a stop to it all to preserve their crumbling monopolies. Sorry folks, but its open season now. Either come up with some attractive ways of remarketing games that most SAM owners already have, or expect the worst. This is a chance to do somethig a bit different and take the SAM into the new millenium with a chance of survival - even if it is only in emulated form. Go on - send me the death threats that usually accompany anybody who tries to undermine the great Fred / Format empire. [god i love stirring it up!] > > > -- > Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 21 00:17:37 1999 Message-ID: <37BDE255.3ED16A0D@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 00:18:45 +0100 From: Martin Wilson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM Downloads References: <000601beeb60$d0989180$0aa2edc1@pre-installedco> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 611 Lines: 18 Jonathan Bristow wrote: > > Great, fine... I would love to buy up all the software titles that my newly > acquired SAM could revel in, trouble is that with the "Crap" Response that i > have had concerning getting hold of a replacement internal master drive, i > see little point!! > Unlike you (so you say) I am not trying to whip up some trouble, just trying > to make sense of having a SAM other than it being a collectors item! > > Respect > Jonathan > Crap response from who? My trusty Sam has twin internals plus an external drive interface if either of my main drives go down. No hard drive though. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 21 00:29:06 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop3.house Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 00:23:20 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: RE: SAM Downloads X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 722 Lines: 21 At 5:59 pm +0100 20/8/99, Johnna Teare wrote: >>From what I remember, The Bulgulators and Dyzonium were >released as shareware anyway, when Lemmings went overdue. >Certainly all those who had paid for Lemmings but had not yet >received it got a disk with lemmings demo on and those two games Really?? I certainly didn't get that, and I'm fairly sure I remember paying in advance for Lemmings. Maybe my memory's playing tricks on me though, and I did already have those two games... Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 21 00:29:06 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop3.house Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000601beeb60$d0989180$0aa2edc1@pre-installedco> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 00:25:07 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: SAM Downloads X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 613 Lines: 16 At 12:10 am +0100 21/8/99, Jonathan Bristow wrote: >Great, fine... I would love to buy up all the software titles that my newly >acquired SAM could revel in, trouble is that with the "Crap" Response that i >have had concerning getting hold of a replacement internal master drive, i >see little point!! Just because noone knows the answer, doesn't mean you have to be rude... Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 21 01:22:00 1999 From: "Johnna Teare" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:21:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: SAM Stuff for sale In-reply-to: <002f01bdcc67$3d7f69a0$5b5808c3@persona> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 359 Lines: 12 On 20 Aug 98, at 19:20, David L wrote: > I could do with at least one copy of all those titles. > > What's a fair - and not forgetting I'm no millionare - price for them all > (software wise!)? You tell me... Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 21 01:22:01 1999 From: "Johnna Teare" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:21:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: SAM Stuff for sale In-reply-to: <37BDA757.11AD46E0@btinternet.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id BAA18070 Status: RO Content-Length: 779 Lines: 20 On 20 Aug 99, at 20:07, Thomas Harte wrote: > > Famous Five, Witchin Hour, Lemmings, Ore Warz 2 (NEVER > > RELEASED!), Labyrinth, Bombs Away, Invaders, Muncher, PoP, > > Quizball, Defenders, bulgulators, dyzonium (which are shareware > > anyway iirc), batz n ballz, manic miner, eftpotrm, klax, > > Anybody know which of these I could use with SIM Coupé? Also, sorry to > remove > from the mystique, but Ore Warz 2 is on nvg . . . Oh well. I don't think I've ever played it anyway. Can't remember how I came to having it. One of those things that just appears in your diskbox when your doing a magazine that reviews stuff. Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 21 01:22:01 1999 From: "Johnna Teare" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:21:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: SAM Downloads In-reply-to: References: <000601beeb60$d0989180$0aa2edc1@pre-installedco> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 995 Lines: 31 On 21 Aug 99, at 0:25, Andrew Collier wrote: > At 12:10 am +0100 21/8/99, Jonathan Bristow wrote: > >Great, fine... I would love to buy up all the software titles that my > >newly acquired SAM could revel in, trouble is that with the "Crap" > >Response that i have had concerning getting hold of a replacement > >internal master drive, i see little point!! > > Just because noone knows the answer, doesn't mean you have to be rude... > > Andrew Aside from pointing you in the direction of fomat@aol.com I wouldn't know how else to help. And even Bob seems to have disappeared for the time being... > > -- > -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other > -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a > -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file > -- > > > Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 21 01:26:38 1999 From: "Johnna Teare" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:21:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: SAM Downloads In-reply-to: References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1292 Lines: 41 On 21 Aug 99, at 0:23, Andrew Collier wrote: > At 5:59 pm +0100 20/8/99, Johnna Teare wrote: > > >>From what I remember, The Bulgulators and Dyzonium were > >released as shareware anyway, when Lemmings went overdue. > >Certainly all those who had paid for Lemmings but had not yet > >received it got a disk with lemmings demo on and those two games > > Really?? > > I certainly didn't get that, and I'm fairly sure I remember paying in > advance for Lemmings. Maybe my memory's playing tricks on me though, and I > did already have those two games... > > Andrew Yep - just checked it. I got it through the post just before Christmas - it had a demo of Lemmings (the one with the tree on...screenshots were in YS) and both games and a text file apologising for the delay but giving both games away. The irony was, FRED kept selling the games at full price for about six months afterwards! > > -- > -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other > -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a > -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file > -- > > > Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 21 17:01:28 1999 From: "James R Curry" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 10:55:27 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: SAM DEVELOPER FORUM In-reply-to: <001401bee75c$3ff3c3a0$020a0a64@trout> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19990821160018Z49299-26591+547@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1940 Lines: 43 ed postings. This also seems to the feeling of other list > subscribers > from what they've said to me so I have taken it apon myself to create > another mailing > list: > > The Sam Developer Forum Colin, I have nothing but respect for the work you've done on the SAM, I think that the Quazar is a great piece of hardware, (And yes, I know I never bought one, but so many other things in my life conspired to cost money, now that I'm in the USA, there's not much point... :( ). I think that you've developed a lot of good software, I like Stratosphere. I think that the dedication you show by releasing Soundbyte regularly is second to none. I also think that this other mailing list is a REALLY ill-conceived idea. I know there's a lot of off-topic conversation here, but really, as Ian points out - 8 posts a day is a problem? YOU can start an on-topic discussion on THIS list. People won't ignore it.  And no emulation? At the moment, I can't afford to get my SAM shipped across the Atlantic and get the requesit hardware to actually use the thing. I mean, do you really expect me to do that? So here I am, someone who received his SAM *before* Christams 1989, and has kept up the faith ever since, and I'm being excluded from your list, as the only SAM I can access here is a virtual one? We *don't* have the posts to support two lists, and I won't be joining the new one. I just hope it doesn't kill this one. We've developed a community over the last ten years, and thanks to this we all have a lot of friends whom we would not have otherwise. And shocking as it may seem, the community we've formed sometimes goes beyond the SAM and we talk off-topic. Big problem, eh? Such a high volume. Not. I think the best thing to do here is to start and contribute to the relevant threads, and for the rest of it - enjoy the ride! -- James R Curry - James@curry.com "The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!" From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 22 03:25:20 1999 Message-ID: <000101beec88$8b0f5da0$c7488cd4@default> From: "Robert Wilkinson" To: "Sam Usergroup" Subject: SAM COUPE PRINTER. Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 03:23:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id DAA11046 Status: RO Content-Length: 2208 Lines: 72 Hello Sam User Group. ( Please mister Im tryintg to br an honest Sam User. ) Hi. ON SUBJECT.. But, Im not sure I can keep it up... OHHHHHHH!!!!!! Has anyone fitted their printer interface inside Sam. ( hard wired ) Alternatively, has anyone made up a cable to extend the interface beyond the back of the Sam. I am currently instaling Sam on a computer desk with a pull out keyboard shelf (draw ) and there is no room for a sticky out thing. Any observations on this one would be appreciated. PLEASE Why did'nt MGT put the bl***y thing inside instead of a whacking great lump out the back. I recon things like this put other maybe Sam users off. Also .. Please Mr Skillman, can the Simcoupe have a printer port. Simcoupe works fine for me, although the disk ( A Drive ) option could be worked on. I'm still having trouble with the SimCoupe slowing down when I use the graphical user interface. Is it just my machine or has anybody else got this problem. A THOUGHT.. I would have to ask this question twice if another group was setup. ( think again and don't take it all so seriously ). Life's too short for non preambles. Come on now people. I might be new here, but I've been with Sam since it made an appearance. Give me a break. Answer me..... Bob Wilkinson. After a couple of whiskys or so on a very early Sunday morning. (Some sod woke me up having a to-do with his ex-missus ) Cheers.Bob PS. Just cos my name's Bob, don't mean you should ignore me.. ( only joking really ). PPS. I,ve ( me and Mick Sleight ) obvioulsly missed a lot of what has gone on in the Sam scene, if someone would like to bring us up to date, we would be most grateful. Do it direct and stay anonymous. ( did I spell that right ) (anoneemouse ).. a reply will come in the same way.. I shouldn't send this realy,but sod it I will..... By the way, Does anyone want to buy the bits I put up here the uver day. 1 meg Mem+Sambus £40.00 I don't give a toss. But if you want it , its here. Bob Wilkinson. Feeling pretty good at the moment. Happy anyway, and I don't care a sod. PPPS, Are we allowed to tell jokes on here. Iv'e got sum goodjuns. Regards to all.. Bob W. Notice the dubbleuu. !!!