From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Sep 1 08:24:11 1999 From: Frode =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Tenneb=F8?= Message-Id: <199909010721.JAA08796@musa.edh.ericsson.se> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 09:21:21 +0200 (MET DST) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re[2]: Sam's worst ever game? (was Re: Who Wants To Be A... ) In-Reply-To: <19990831160008Z49611-22095+275@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.3.4-990827-sol MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id IAA12826 Status: RO Content-Length: 625 Lines: 19 > > ...are we going to find Linux or Windows the more viable platform > when it comes to making A SEVERE AMOUNT OF MONEY? > > If you say that you'll make as MUCH money, or even CLOSE from the > Linux platform, you are obviously insane. ;) Sony is insane now then? :) http://www.wired.com/news/news/business/story/19696.html -Frode -- ^ Frode Tennebø | email: ft@edh.ericsson.se ^ | Ericsson Radar AS. | Isebakkeveien 49 | | Phone: +47 69 21 41 47 | N-1788 Halden | | with Standard.Disclaimer; use Standard.Disclaimer; | From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Sep 1 08:39:15 1999 Message-ID: <00f501bef44c$ea183760$64a5fea9@simcooke3> From: "Simon Cooke" To: References: <199909010721.JAA08796@musa.edh.ericsson.se> Subject: Re: Re[2]: Sam's worst ever game? (was Re: Who Wants To Be A... ) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 00:37:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 236 Lines: 10 > Sony is insane now then? :) > > http://www.wired.com/news/news/business/story/19696.html > > -Frode Dev platform only (and even then, possibly only in Japan) :) Chris knows more about this kinda thing... Chris? yoohoooooooo? Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Sep 1 13:52:15 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851CF9@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: MIDI fileserver for SAM Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:56:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1101 Lines: 36 Nice project. This sounds similar to a part of a project that I am working on (when I get around to doing anything, that is). With one exception: it will be using the MIDI protocol. ie, sending data via SysEx messages. That way, the SAM can be part of a permanent MIDI network and talk happily with just about any MIDI device/computer. Justin > -----Original Message----- > From: Jarek Adamski [SMTP:yarek@sp7.zsk.p.lodz.pl] > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 3:12 PM > To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Subject: MIDI fileserver for SAM > > Hi! > > Could someone help me to write a program for pc that would serve > files to SAM via MIDI (of soundcard)? > > I have now: > -tested point-to-point protocol (works now on 6bit parallel > full duplex cable); > -started code for pc (uses LPT for above media); > -tested code for Z80 (works with above media); > > To do is: > -finish and test server code for pc; > -make "MIDI kit" for connection with SAM; > -find way to low level driving MIDI of pc; > -find way to access TCP stack of pc; > -write some TCP clients (telnet, ftp). > > -- > Yarek. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Sep 1 22:01:38 1999 From: "Johnna Teare" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 22:04:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Might be interested X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 459 Lines: 14 Just thought people might be interested in this... Sounds a bit fishy, but if they stick to their agreement, it could earn a couple of quid a month... {HYPERLINK "http://www.sendmoreinfo.com/id/42361"}http://www.sendmoreinfo.com/id/42361 Basically, they pay you $5 to receive an email advert. Sounds okay? Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Sep 1 22:24:22 1999 From: "Johnna Teare" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 22:25:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Might be interested In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 381 Lines: 12 Before all the pedants on this list jump on my back... http://www.sendmoreinfo.com/id/4236 That's the URL And it's only 5 cents per email - but you could still run up quite a nice sum...just choose the right interest catagories... Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Sep 1 22:58:08 1999 Message-ID: <37CDA107.28F3831C@bonbon.net> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 22:56:23 +0100 From: Martin Fitzpatrick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Might be interested References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 534 Lines: 18 Johnna Teare wrote: > > Just thought people might be interested in this... > > Sounds a bit fishy, but if they stick to their agreement, it could earn a couple of > quid a month... Yeh.. a bit fishy. What confuses me is presumably it'll come through from one email address. So all I need to do is sign up & then set me ISP to delete email from the account its coming from?.... I like this already. Ok, that kinda defies the point of it, but yknow... Fitz -- Email: poohsticks@bonbon.net ICQ#: 11077801 AOL/CServeIM: Flupert From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Sep 1 23:56:08 1999 From: "Johnna Teare" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 23:59:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Might be interested In-reply-to: <37CDA107.28F3831C@bonbon.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 803 Lines: 32 On 1 Sep 99, at 22:56, Martin Fitzpatrick wrote: > Johnna Teare wrote: > > > > Just thought people might be interested in this... > > > > Sounds a bit fishy, but if they stick to their agreement, it could earn > > a couple of quid a month... > > Yeh.. a bit fishy. What confuses me is presumably it'll come through from > one email address. So all I need to do is sign up & then set me ISP to > delete email from the account its coming from?.... I like this already. > Ok, that kinda defies the point of it, but yknow... Exactly what I was thinking! > > Fitz > > -- > Email: poohsticks@bonbon.net > ICQ#: 11077801 > AOL/CServeIM: Flupert > Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Sep 2 00:24:12 1999 Message-ID: <37CDB2A8.B0CDCCAA@bonbon.net> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 00:11:36 +0100 From: Martin Fitzpatrick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Might be interested References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1083 Lines: 30 Johnna Teare wrote: > > > Yeh.. a bit fishy. What confuses me is presumably it'll come through from > > one email address. So all I need to do is sign up & then set me ISP to > > delete email from the account its coming from?.... I like this already. > > Ok, that kinda defies the point of it, but yknow... > > Exactly what I was thinking! Now what confuses me is *how* they pay me. They didn't ask for a credit card number, and only have my address (no way am I giving them my phone number... Ive was phoned by some weird American company once, and had a massive conversation where they tried to convince me that I'd really rung them and asked them to ring me... very strange). So... how *do* they pay me? To make this marginally topical.... What are the pubs/clubs like in Gloucester/Quedgely.... this seems the nicest idea, since thats where all the shows were.... Though, then again, I've never been to Swansea :)... But I somehow doubt much of Samdom will remain after 10 years :) Martin Fitz -- Email: poohsticks@bonbon.net ICQ#: 11077801 AOL/CServeIM: Flupert From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Sep 2 13:05:50 1999 via SMTP by mailserv.caiw.nl, id smtpdAAAa04666; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 07:16:52 +0200 Message-ID: <000b01bef502$33ec0c80$d15d88d4@oemcomputer> From: "Robert van der Veeke" To: References: <37CDB2A8.B0CDCCAA@bonbon.net> Subject: Re: Might be interested Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 07:15:41 +0200 Organization: RJV graphics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 465 Lines: 16 From: Martin Fitzpatrick To: Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 1:11 AM Subject: Re: Might be interested > So... how *do* they pay me? Are they paying outside the States/Canada? That seems to be the case with those "get paid while you surf" plans. Robert van der Veeke aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Currently listening to : Card Captor Sakura - OST The trick to walking upright is not to use your knuckles From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Sep 2 13:05:52 1999 Message-Id: <199909021045.MAA09505@dep.pl.hanze.nl> 2 Sep 99 12:45:42 GMT+1 From: "Edwin Blink" Organization: Hanzehogeschool, Groningen To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 12:45:07 MET MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 35 Lines: 1 subsribe e.p.r.p.blink@pl.hanze.nl From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Sep 2 15:26:07 1999 Message-ID: <37CE873C.346355FC@bonbon.net> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 15:18:36 +0100 From: Martin Fitzpatrick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Might be interested References: <37CDB2A8.B0CDCCAA@bonbon.net> <000b01bef502$33ec0c80$d15d88d4@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 473 Lines: 19 Robert van der Veeke wrote: > > > So... how *do* they pay me? > > Are they paying outside the States/Canada? That seems to be the case with > those "get paid while you surf" plans. Well, I think so... The form didn't ask for a credit card/etc. and only had space for NI (or the american equiv.) number... Oh well :).... If its a bunch of lies I guess I just cancel it ... if they let me Fitz -- Email: poohsticks@bonbon.net ICQ#: 11077801 AOL/CServeIM: Flupert From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Sep 3 09:55:57 1999 From: "Johnna Teare" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 18:39:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Might be interested In-reply-to: <37CDB2A8.B0CDCCAA@bonbon.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1608 Lines: 49 > Now what confuses me is *how* they pay me. They didn't ask for a credit > card number, and only have my address (no way am I giving them my phone > number... Ive was phoned by some weird American company once, and had a > massive conversation where they tried to convince me that I'd really rung > them and asked them to ring me... very strange). > > So... how *do* they pay me? By cheque. Or check, as they say. It's supposedly posted on the 20th of every month. The whole thing sounds like a complete scam - but like all of Dick Dastardly's scams, it might just work...Certainly the principle is no different to what Free ISP's do - giving you access whilst pluggin you full of stuff you don't need. The 'contract' is up there somewhere: http://www.sendmoreinfo.com/id/42361 And really, as you can set a mail filter anyway, there's not a lot to lose. > To make this marginally topical.... What are the pubs/clubs like in > Gloucester/Quedgely.... this seems the nicest idea, since thats where all > the shows were.... Though, then again, I've never been to Swansea :)... > But I somehow doubt much of Samdom will remain after 10 years :) It was a while ago but... I seem to remember an article in FRED (Colin M?) saying that you could still see the SAMCo sign as you pull into Swansea on the train. Now _that_ would be a beer trophy! > Martin Fitz > > -- > Email: poohsticks@bonbon.net > ICQ#: 11077801 > AOL/CServeIM: Flupert > Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Sep 3 09:56:00 1999 From: "James R Curry" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 13:39:34 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Might be interested In-reply-to: <37CDB2A8.B0CDCCAA@bonbon.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19990903081515Z50469-12206+18@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1342 Lines: 30 > Now what confuses me is *how* they pay me. They didn't ask for a credit > card number, and only have my address (no way am I giving them my phone > number... Ive was phoned by some weird American company once, and had a > massive conversation where they tried to convince me that I'd really > rung them and asked them to ring me... very strange). Back when I was in the UK, I had cause to call Hyundai in the USA. Well, the person on the end of the phone couldn't help me at all, but I left my number thinking "That's the end of that". 2 minutes later, the phone rings, and it's them, and most helpful they were too. I really was impressed by the level of customer service. (The fact that it was 3am in Britain, aside... I did call THEM first so they knew I'd be up. ;) ) > So... how *do* they pay me? With magic beans. > To make this marginally topical.... What are the pubs/clubs like in > Gloucester/Quedgely.... this seems the nicest idea, since thats where > all the shows were.... Though, then again, I've never been to Swansea > :)... But I somehow doubt much of Samdom will remain after 10 years :) I like Swansea. Swansea is a nice place. And it's one of the only places in Wales that doesn't have a name made out of hyroglyphics. ;-) -- James R Curry - James@curry.com "The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!" From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Sep 3 09:56:00 1999 From: "James R Curry" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 13:39:35 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: In-reply-to: <199909021045.MAA09505@dep.pl.hanze.nl> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19990903081516Z50472-12206+19@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 651 Lines: 19 From: "Edwin Blink" Organization: Hanzehogeschool, Groningen To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date sent: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 12:45:07 MET Send reply to: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > subsribe e.p.r.p.blink@pl.hanze.nl Your subscription to "Spam Digest" has been accepted. Thank you. You will now receive at least four or five message from us each ten minutes. Most of them with 3mb binaries attached. Thank you for choosing "Spam Digest" for your spam needs. To unsubscribe from this list, cancel your account with your ISP. -- James R Curry - James@curry.com "The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!" From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Sep 3 09:56:01 1999 Message-ID: <001f01bef585$ae37caa0$9c5b883e@atlantic> From: "Dave Hooper" To: Subject: Fw: WinCoupe (Was Re: Fred n' Speccy) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 21:56:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1381 Lines: 44 This from Aley ... looks like he's managed to actually USE my soundchip emulation (I only wrote it ... but didn't have any real way to test the thing!) ... fingers crossed for the Win32 port whenever that comes out. To be honest, I think the SAM emulation scene is where it's at. dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Aley Keprt To: Dave Hooper Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 8:35 AM Subject: Re: WinCoupe (Was Re: Fred n' Speccy) > > Hello Dave, > > I have made a working example of your emulator of SAA1099. > I've included it in my emulator SAAemu. > Can I now release it? > Maybe you wowuld like to see (I can send) or send me > a new version. > > The sound is quite well, but onlly 8bit mono works, > frequencies 11,22,44kHz. > I'd like too see other frequencies (can you support any > frequency?). > The current (first) version is quite unstable but > it plays and you can hear all the effects which > are not emulated by my SAAemu. > > You did a good work! > > regards, > Aley Keprt > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Aley [eili] Keprt - student, programmer (multimedia soft. etc.) > phone: +420-68-538 70 35 > e-mail: AleyKeprt@bigfoot.com *** http://get.to/aley > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Sep 3 11:07:05 1999 Message-Id: <199909031003.MAA25063@dep.pl.hanze.nl> 3 Sep 99 12:03:04 GMT+1 From: "Edwin Blink" Organization: Hanzehogeschool, Groningen To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 12:02:28 MET MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: ... References: <199909021045.MAA09505@dep.pl.hanze.nl> In-reply-to: <19990903081516Z50472-12206+19@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 775 Lines: 23 > From: "James R Curry" > Your subscription to "Spam Digest" has been accepted. Thank you. > You will now receive at least four or five message from us each ten > minutes. Most of them with 3mb binaries attached. Really ? Oh Ohh Can you please send them again then and don't forget the attachments I realy love them you know Because I'm missing a couple of hundred messages ! > Thank you for choosing "Spam Digest" for your spam needs. I guess all mailing lists are Spam Digest, Aren't they ? Anyway. I finnaly got to subscribe to this list again after lots of bounced emails (forgot the minus symbol between sam and users). So whats up SAM ? Edwin Blink Email@home: Blinky@thekeyboard.com Email@work: e.p.r.p.blink@pl.hanze.nl From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Sep 3 11:25:45 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851D11@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: ... Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:14:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 270 Lines: 13 >Anyway. I finnaly got to subscribe to this list again after lots of >bounced emails (forgot the minus symbol between sam and users). Welcome back, Edwin! >So whats up SAM ? The usual: fighting, talk of 10-year-old-party, and the occasional SAM thing! :) Justin From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Fri Sep 3 11:49:44 1999 Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:49:44 +0100 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Might be interested Message-ID: <19990903114942.A10186@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no References: <37CDB2A8.B0CDCCAA@bonbon.net> <19990903081515Z50469-12206+18@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <19990903081515Z50469-12206+18@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no>; from James R Curry on Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 01:39:34PM +0000 Status: RO Content-Length: 440 Lines: 12 On Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 01:39:34PM +0000, James R Curry wrote: > I like Swansea. Swansea is a nice place. And it's one of the only > places in Wales that doesn't have a name made out of hyroglyphics. > ;-) Unlike places such as Bala, Barmouth, Barry, Brecon, Cardiff, Cardigan, Conway, Harlech, Holyhead, Knighton, Lampeter, Mold, Montgomery, Newtown, Oswestry, Pembroke, Porthmadog, Portmeirion, Rhyl or Welshpool, you mean? :o) imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Sep 3 12:05:54 1999 Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 12:00:25 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@red.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Might be interested In-Reply-To: <19990903114942.A10186@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 607 Lines: 19 On Fri, 3 Sep 1999, Ian Collier wrote: > On Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 01:39:34PM +0000, James R Curry wrote: > > I like Swansea. Swansea is a nice place. And it's one of the only > > places in Wales that doesn't have a name made out of hyroglyphics. > > Unlike places such as ... Mold > :o) Cheat! That's just an English translation of the unpronouncable Welsh name... Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Sep 3 21:12:22 1999 Message-ID: <37D02B28.9E1F3658@bonbon.net> Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 21:10:16 +0100 From: Martin Fitzpatrick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Might be interested References: <19990903081515Z50469-12206+18@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 314 Lines: 22 James R Curry wrote: > > I like Swansea. Swansea is a nice place. And it's one of the only > places in Wales Its in Wales?? Eeek. > that doesn't have a name made out of hyroglyphics. > ;-) Theres always Bangor. Or perhaps not. Fitz -- Email: poohsticks@bonbon.net ICQ#: 11077801 AOL/CServeIM: Flupert From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Sep 4 00:28:05 1999 Message-ID: <009901bef663$c4afbfc0$c024893e@sadsnail> From: "Tim" To: "sam-users" Subject: Magazine copyrights etc. Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 00:24:49 +0100 Organization: Sad Snail Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 431 Lines: 12 Having "borrowed" my gf's scanner, I feel like OCR'ing a lot of the articles that I've got in my scrapbook (the real one, not the web one). Anyone know who the best people to approach would be with regards getting permission to use a lot of it. It's presumably possible for YS stuff, but what about Crash/SU/NCE ? Hmmm. What about MGT/SamCo mailshots? If anyone has any sensible suggestions they'd be muchly appreciated. Tim From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Sep 4 00:38:00 1999 Message-ID: <009d01bef664$81afd7e0$c024893e@sadsnail> From: "Tim" To: "sam-users" References: <000101bef42b$9247c260$12448cd4@default> Subject: Re: Sam C Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 00:27:50 +0100 Organization: Sad Snail Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 686 Lines: 19 ----- Original Message ----- > Some years ago I bought Sam C from Fred publishing. > > I remember that subsequent issues of Fred, published pokes to correct some > bugs in the program. > > I've lost these pokes... ( including the issues of Fred ) I don't recall any such pokes or patches on FRED, however at one point I seem to recall Colin offering people a free upgrade to the fixed version if you sent your disk off or something. Who would do this these days I've no idea. (I seem to recall the new version wasn't perfect, and at one point I had a program which only sucessfully compiled with the "buggy" version of the compiler. It was probably an anti-bug in my code!) Tim From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Sep 4 01:03:07 1999 From: "James R Curry" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 18:59:21 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Might be interested In-reply-to: <19990903114942.A10186@comlab.ox.ac.uk> References: <19990903081515Z50469-12206+18@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no>; from James R Curry on Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 01:39:34PM +0000 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19990903235940Z49552-12206+282@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 766 Lines: 22 > Unlike places such as Bala, Barmouth, Barry, Brecon, Cardiff, Cardigan, > Conway, Harlech, Holyhead, Knighton, Lampeter, Mold, Montgomery, Newtown, > Oswestry, Pembroke, Porthmadog, Portmeirion, Rhyl or Welshpool, you mean? > :o) > > imc Yeah. Point well made and taken. My experiences of a lot of Wales involve memories of my youth on those camping holidays, driving through some welsh backwater about 200 miles from any signs of civilization and ocassionally reaching a small town consisting of about 2 houses whose name seems to have been invented by a man being choked with a bicycle chain while smashing his head onto a keyboard. Aaah, where did those childhood years go? ;) -- James R Curry - James@curry.com "The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!" From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Sep 4 01:35:03 1999 From: nick@the-den.clara.net (Nick Humphries) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Magazine copyrights etc. Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 00:31:03 GMT Organization: Nick's Den Message-ID: <37d16710.196517@relay.clara.net> References: <009901bef663$c4afbfc0$c024893e@sadsnail> In-Reply-To: <009901bef663$c4afbfc0$c024893e@sadsnail> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1597 Lines: 32 On Sat, 4 Sep 1999 00:24:49 +0100 Sat, 4 Sep 99 01:28:04 BST, you wrote: >Having "borrowed" my gf's scanner, I feel like OCR'ing a lot of the articles >that I've got in my scrapbook (the real one, not the web one). > >Anyone know who the best people to approach would be with regards getting >permission to use a lot of it. It's presumably possible for YS stuff, but >what about Crash/SU/NCE ? First of all, contact the final publishers, as chances are they hold most of the copyrights. If they show no interest (and _don't_ say "no"), they try and track down the original writers as copyright is quite possibly owned by them anyway. A lot of YS writers only gave Dennis/Future Publishing "first serial rights", which means that Dennis/Future can print the article once, but not again, and the copyright is owned by the original writer. As a general rule, the original writers will be fine with it, so long as you've bothered to try and find them to ask them. I've found about 25 ex-YS writers, and only two declined (Jonathan Nash being one of them, so remember that as he covered a lot of SAM stuff). Of course, all scanned YS articles will be gratefully accepted on my site :) Nick, only speaking from his YS experiences. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- ---- Nick Humphries - nick@the-den.clara.net ---- ----------------------------------------------------------- ------ The Your Sinclair Rock'n'Roll Years ------ ------- http://www.the-den.clara.net/ys/cover.htm ------- ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Sep 4 03:13:36 1999 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 03:11:45 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: Might be interested References: <19990903081515Z50469-12206+18@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> <19990903114942.A10186@comlab.ox.ac.uk> <19990903235940Z49552-12206+282@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> In-Reply-To: <19990903235940Z49552-12206+282@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 4.01 <8OHKkEUpoELRXEckwUjJGSM0AF> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1038 Lines: 31 In message <19990903235940Z49552-12206+282@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no>, James R Curry writes > >> Unlike places such as Bala, Barmouth, Barry, Brecon, Cardiff, Cardigan, >> Conway, Harlech, Holyhead, Knighton, Lampeter, Mold, Montgomery, Newtown, >> Oswestry, Pembroke, Porthmadog, Portmeirion, Rhyl or Welshpool, you mean? >> :o) >> >> imc > >Yeah. Point well made and taken. > >My experiences of a lot of Wales involve memories of my youth on >those camping holidays, driving through some welsh backwater about >200 miles from any signs of civilization and ocassionally reaching a >small town consisting of about 2 houses whose name seems to have been >invented by a man being choked with a bicycle chain while smashing >his head onto a keyboard. > >Aaah, where did those childhood years go? ;) I keep mine in a small box by my chair. Graham Goring -- /====================================\ | Ber-Limey! There's not even enough | |room to swing a cat in this sodding-| \=========== ICQ: 5333545 ===========/ From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Sat Sep 4 12:30:02 1999 Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 12:30:02 +0100 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Might be interested Message-ID: <19990904123001.B12516@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no References: <19990903114942.A10186@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Andrew Collier on Fri, Sep 03, 1999 at 12:00:25PM +0100 Status: RO Content-Length: 406 Lines: 14 On Fri, Sep 03, 1999 at 12:00:25PM +0100, Andrew Collier wrote: > On Fri, 3 Sep 1999, Ian Collier wrote: > > Unlike places such as ... Mold > > :o) > Cheat! That's just an English translation of the unpronouncable Welsh > name... It isn't a translation. I forget what Yr Wyddgrug means, but it isn't "Mold" (whatever that means). Anyway, look on any map and see which name it uses for that town. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Sep 4 15:08:51 1999 From: Jarek Adamski To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 02:03:43 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: PF "NABLA" Subject: Hardware MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 527 Lines: 22 Hello! I can design some extentions for SAM. Only need some help. At this moment I think of: 4MB memory with long SIMM. (Also 8MB one will work.) ZX128 hardware emulator. Perhaps with Z80 turbo mode. DMA for better speed. ISA Muli I/O card crossing. High density floppy disk access, two serial and one parallel communication ports. Half capacity of harddisk. Interrupts with IM 2 verctors. Video interlacer to double vertical resolution. All as external. Software support guarateed. Anyone interested? -- Yarek. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Sep 4 15:54:30 1999 From: David To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Hardware X-Sender: sparticus@clara.co.uk X-Mailer: ClaraNet WWW E-Mail Client Date: Sat, 4 Sep 99 15:52:54 BST Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 785 Lines: 23 > I can design some extentions for SAM. Only need some help. At > this moment I think of: > > 4MB memory with long SIMM. (Also 8MB one will work.) > > ZX128 hardware emulator. Perhaps with Z80 turbo mode. > > DMA for better speed. > > ISA Muli I/O card crossing. High density floppy disk access, > two serial and one parallel communication ports. Half capacity > of harddisk. Interrupts with IM 2 verctors. > > Video interlacer to double vertical resolution. > > > All as external. Software support guarateed. Anyone interested? Very interested in all - how much? when? and would anyone other than me even be interested? But if you've done any of them - well done mate! David - not pissed off with SAM anymore... just not working for for any SAM publishers anymore.... yet ;) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Sep 4 15:54:31 1999 From: David To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Hardware X-Sender: sparticus@clara.co.uk X-Mailer: ClaraNet WWW E-Mail Client Date: Sat, 4 Sep 99 15:52:48 BST Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 785 Lines: 23 > I can design some extentions for SAM. Only need some help. At > this moment I think of: > > 4MB memory with long SIMM. (Also 8MB one will work.) > > ZX128 hardware emulator. Perhaps with Z80 turbo mode. > > DMA for better speed. > > ISA Muli I/O card crossing. High density floppy disk access, > two serial and one parallel communication ports. Half capacity > of harddisk. Interrupts with IM 2 verctors. > > Video interlacer to double vertical resolution. > > > All as external. Software support guarateed. Anyone interested? Very interested in all - how much? when? and would anyone other than me even be interested? But if you've done any of them - well done mate! David - not pissed off with SAM anymore... just not working for for any SAM publishers anymore.... yet ;) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Sep 4 16:40:56 1999 Message-ID: <37D13D02.1C56@clara.net> Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 16:38:42 +0100 From: Gordon Wallis Organization: HEXdidn't... X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Hardware References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 699 Lines: 18 David wrote: [snipped list of hardware things] > > All as external. Software support guarateed. Anyone interested? > > Very interested in all - how much? when? and would anyone other > than me even be interested? > I would. I'd probably even buy some of it. The only problem is that so few people want to make the effort to use the existing hardware, so working on upgrading it would end up being a wasted effort :-( Gord. ("If only the Sam was the MSX...") -- < The HEXdidn't... Homepage: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < ------ Featuring The U.K. Policenauts Homepage ------ > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< http://www.hexdidnt.clara.net > \---------- AOL Instant Messenger: 'hexdidnt' ----------/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Sep 4 17:08:23 1999 Message-ID: <+7daQNA2OU03EwAF@wholehog.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 17:07:18 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Stuart Brady Subject: Re: Sim Coupe : wide spread? II. In-Reply-To: <017c01bef3a6$54f33be0$6951c29e@inf.upol.cz> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 215 Lines: 9 On Tue, 31 Aug 1999 Aley Keprt wrote: >I am really sorry for this, but >I must recommend Stuart Brady to shut up. I haven't actually made a posting for several weeks, so maybe you should shut up? -- Stuart Brady From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Sep 4 22:04:32 1999 Message-ID: <001201bef75b$d8c004e0$6d1aac3e@default> From: "Robert Wilkinson" To: Subject: Re: Hardware Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 22:01:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 773 Lines: 36 Im interested, tell us more. Bob Wilkinson. -----Original Message----- From: Jarek Adamski To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: 04 September 1999 07:12 Subject: Hardware >Hello! > >I can design some extentions for SAM. Only need some help. At >this moment I think of: > > 4MB memory with long SIMM. (Also 8MB one will work.) > > ZX128 hardware emulator. Perhaps with Z80 turbo mode. > > DMA for better speed. > > ISA Muli I/O card crossing. High density floppy disk access, >two serial and one parallel communication ports. Half capacity >of harddisk. Interrupts with IM 2 verctors. > > Video interlacer to double vertical resolution. > > >All as external. Software support guarateed. Anyone interested? > >-- >Yarek. > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Sep 4 22:10:06 1999 From: Jarek Adamski To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 16:17:39 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: PF "NABLA" Subject: How to DIR the disk??? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2756 Lines: 96 Hi! The last very important thing I need for ZXVGS is the model of listing directory of disk at program level. I would like to take advice before I made my mind. The list of files will be mostly used in file selectors. I know some models now {comments}: 1. Used in AmigaOS: lk=Lock (mask,mode) {to prevent from changes in multitasking} Examine (lk,block) {for first entry; gives 260 bytes per file} ExNext (lk,block) {for next entries; repeated till the error} UnLock (lk) {release handle} - gives 107B filename, 80B comment, flags, size, date, type - the buffer is quite big 2. Used in MesS-DOS: Int 21h(#4E,mask,flags) {1st; puts information into a buffer} Int 21h(#4F) {for next entries; until error} - no handle for directory - gives date, size, flags - the OS don't know what program will do then - buffer is shorter - limited filename length - unknown number of entries 3. Used in MasterDOS: a$=DIR$(mask$) x=FSTAT(a$(10*n+1 TO 10*n+10),k) {for more info about file} - a$ can be big - gives only set of filenames (all at once) - fixed filename length - separate function for more info 4. Used in PLUS3DOS: n=DOS CATALOG (flags,buffer,mask) {call until get n To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 16:22:43 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: PF "NABLA" Subject: My files available via HTTP. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 684 Lines: 22 Hi! My files are now available on: http://nautilus.torch.net.pl/zxland/ There are: Length: Date: For: Description: 22dsk142rar.lha 103700 08-12 pc reads CP/M disks, including QED820 LHA.EXE 34283 07-07 pc unpacks "*.LHA" archives games001.lha 627670 06-22 ZX first disk of ZXVGS games CPM22QED.LHA 205367 08-23 SAM system disk with utilities ZXMEM.gif 18839 08-24 ? interface with YABUS ZXVGS016.lha 31934 08-19 ? recent version of ZXVGS (0.16) ZXVGSdoc.lha 32566 08-31 AG description of ZXVGS (0.28) ZXVGSusr.lha 4703 07-26 AG how to install ZXVGS on SAM Please tell me if CPM22QED and ZXVGS work on SimCoupe. -- Yarek. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Sep 5 11:56:18 1999 From: Jarek Adamski To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 01:47:38 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <37D13D02.1C56@clara.net> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: PF "NABLA" Subject: Re: Hardware MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1136 Lines: 33 David wrote: > Very interested in all - how much? when? I'm only the designer. I don't have a factory. I have very big troube with printed circuits production. (E.g. one extention I've designed 1.5 year ago still not exists...) I was talking about my projects to David L. and Malcolm, but they decided to do other things. :-( There are also some other problems: I'm not able to prodcuce cases at all and I don't know the limits of dimensions (I never seen how SAMBUS looks like.) I need some help to solve above problems. Gordon Wallis wrote: > The only problem is that so few people want to make the effort > to use the existing hardware, Sorry, I do my best. > so working on upgrading it would end up being a wasted effort > :-( I design hardware and write operating systems because I like to do it. I do it for myself. And think that someone else can find them useful. Besides, I can't image myself breeding red fishes. > Gord. ("If only the Sam was the MSX...") Don't you think so? The biggest problem is the VDP. Some screen modes could be emulated. But sprites... I could think about it. BTW do you have one? -- Yarek. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Sep 5 11:56:18 1999 From: Jarek Adamski To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 01:48:00 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001201bef75b$d8c004e0$6d1aac3e@default> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: PF "NABLA" Subject: Re: Hardware MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1753 Lines: 44 Robert Wilkinson wrote: > Im interested, tell us more. So... >> 4MB memory with long SIMM. (Also 8MB one will work.) I know that port 128 switches section C, but don't know what about section D. 256 banks of 32KB each gives 8MB. Ramdisk in CPM22QED and MasterDOS. Memory banks and buffers in ZXVGS. >> ZX128 hardware emulator. Perhaps with Z80 turbo mode. Some non-contented memory, second Z80 at 3.56MHz, AY-3-8910/2, a hardware trick for #7FFD port emulation. The Z80 can have second clock (10MHz for Z80C). I think it would be possible to force both CPUs to work. Support in ZXVGS. >> DMA for better speed. Mostly for scroll the screen (3-5 times faster than LDIR). Could be used by SAMROM (JMKRBIG, JFARLDIR, JFARLDDR, JROLL, JCSBL, JRECLAIM, etc.) Also for disk operations (CPM22QED). >> ISA Muli I/O card crossing. High density floppy disk access, >> two serial and one parallel communication ports. Half capacity >> of harddisk. Interrupts with IM 2 verctors. I made such interface for ZX Spectrum. ISA slot on my SAM extention board waits for some wires. COMs are at ports &0X50..&0X57, LPTs at &0X58..&0X5B, where &0X is unit number. FDC is at &70..&77 ports. HDC at &60..&67 (no access to HI byte of harddisk data word). They generate IM2 vectors range &40..&7E, the priority is defined by table contents. (Joystick not available.) Support in CPM22QED (I have ZMP8250 terminal program now), MasterDOS "utility". >> Video interlacer to double vertical resolution. Depending on border colour in the first line of frame switches 32us delay on or off. Not tested idea. (Could give real 384 screen lines on SVGA monitors when used with and scandoubler and flicker-fixer. Quite expensive set, but possible...) Any more questions? -- Yarek. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Sep 5 12:53:33 1999 Message-ID: <37D2CA62.2C616233@clear.net.nz> Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 20:54:10 +0100 From: Gasson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (OS/2; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no, Jarek Adamski Subject: Re: How to DIR the disk??? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 454 Lines: 18 Jarek Adamski wrote: > Hi! > > The last very important thing I need for ZXVGS is the model of > listing directory of disk at program level. I would like to take > advice before I made my mind. The list of files will be mostly > used in file selectors. I know some models now {comments}: Hmmm, how about: LOAD "$" DATA d$() where d$ is an array of size (num_files+2,32), with the disk name at the top, and free space at the bottom. -- James Gasson From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Sep 5 12:53:33 1999 Message-ID: <37D2CD10.70F85722@clear.net.nz> Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 21:05:36 +0100 From: Gasson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (OS/2; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no, Jarek Adamski Subject: Re: Hardware References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 542 Lines: 15 Jarek Adamski wrote: (...) > ISA Muli I/O card crossing. High density floppy disk access, > two serial and one parallel communication ports. Half capacity > of harddisk. Interrupts with IM 2 verctors. (...) On the subject of high density floppies, would it be possible to connect an Amiga high density drive to the Spectrum and Sam? I know someone here in Dunedin, New Zealand who has been considering the idea of attaching a high density drive to their Spectrum. Neither he nor I know much about the Amiga drives though. -- James Gasson From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Sep 5 14:07:39 1999 Subject: Re: Hardware To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 14:06:26 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <37D2CD10.70F85722@clear.net.nz> from "Gasson" at Sep 5, 99 09:05:36 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Gale X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 436 Lines: 9 > On the subject of high density floppies, would it be possible to connect > an Amiga high density drive to the Spectrum and Sam? I know someone here > in Dunedin, New Zealand who has been considering the idea of attaching a > high density drive to their Spectrum. Neither he nor I know much about > the Amiga drives though. > When you talk of high-density drives, do you mean 1.44Mb 3.5" drives, or something newer, like ZIP drives? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Sep 5 15:16:39 1999 Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 15:14:14 +0100 (GMT) From: Robert Brady To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Hardware In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 790 Lines: 19 On Sun, 5 Sep 1999, Andrew Gale wrote: > > On the subject of high density floppies, would it be possible to connect > > an Amiga high density drive to the Spectrum and Sam? I know someone here > > in Dunedin, New Zealand who has been considering the idea of attaching a > > high density drive to their Spectrum. Neither he nor I know much about > > the Amiga drives though. > > When you talk of high-density drives, do you mean 1.44Mb 3.5" > drives, or something newer, like ZIP drives? I would assume that when someone was talking about "High Density Floppies", they are in fact referring to "High Density Floppies", or HDFDs, sometimes erroneously called "1.44MB" disks, despite the fact that you can easily get 1.6MB on them, maybe more if you were feeling dangerous. ;) -- Robert From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Sep 5 19:43:04 1999 Message-ID: <37D2B91F.2DA5AA0A@hexdidnt.clara.net> Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 19:40:31 +0100 From: Gordon Wallis Organization: HEXdidn't... X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Hardware References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1617 Lines: 40 Jarek Adamski wrote: > > The only problem is that so few people want to make the effort > > to use the existing hardware, > Sorry, I do my best. > Wasn't a dig at you... you're actually doing stuff! All your ideas sound very good, but the market's so small now. > > so working on upgrading it would end up being a wasted effort > > :-( > I design hardware and write operating systems because I like to > do it. I do it for myself. And think that someone else can find > them useful. Besides, I can't image myself breeding red fishes. > My feelings exactly. This probably explains why I fiddle about on my Sam designing games that'll never see the light of day... or maybe I'm just stupid... Either way, if only more people thought like that! > > Gord. ("If only the Sam was the MSX...") > Don't you think so? The biggest problem is the VDP. Some screen > modes could be emulated. But sprites... I could think about it. > BTW do you have one? > I wish I did! All I know about MSX is stuff I've read on the web. I've played a few emulated games (anyone care to tell me why the Sam couldn't do something like Metal Gear?), and a lot appear to be in a mode not too unlike Mode 2. Which is why I occasionally harp on about games in Mode 2. Just goes to show, you don't need an OS by Microsoft to run a good machine. Oh... Hang on... MSX _did_ have a Microsoft OS... Damn. Gord. -- < The HEXdidn't... Homepage: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < ------ Featuring The U.K. Policenauts Homepage ------ > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< http://www.hexdidnt.clara.net > \---------- AOL Instant Messenger: 'hexdidnt' ----------/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Sep 5 19:54:55 1999 Message-ID: <000201bef7ce$9def9380$0ac348c2@chris--pc.> From: "Chris Pile" To: "Sam Users Group" Subject: Defender Source Code Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 19:38:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 173 Lines: 7 For those interested I have made the Defender source code available. http://homepages.enterprise.net/pegasus/defender Follow the link on the 'Downloads' page. Chris. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Sep 5 22:24:34 1999 Message-ID: <001701bef7e4$d9d0da60$64a5fea9@simcooke3> From: "Simon Cooke" To: References: <000201bef7ce$9def9380$0ac348c2@chris--pc.> Subject: Re: Defender Source Code Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 14:23:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 626 Lines: 22 > For those interested I have made the Defender source code available. > > http://homepages.enterprise.net/pegasus/defender > > Follow the link on the 'Downloads' page. http://homepages.enterprise.net/pegasus/defender/source.htm SOURCE CODE RELEASE, WHY? At first I was reluctant to release the source code for various reasons. The fact that it's not in any native SAM assembler format being one. --- This is no problem: check out: ftp://ftp.nvg.ntnu.no/pub/sam-coupe/utils/misc/comet2a.pak ftp://ftp.nvg.ntnu.no/pub/sam-coupe/utils/misc/comet2a.td0 ftp://ftp.nvg.ntnu.no/pub/sam-coupe/utils/misc/comet2a.txt Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Sep 6 10:49:09 1999 From: Jarek Adamski To: James Gasson Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 00:39:25 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <37D2CA62.2C616233@clear.net.nz> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: PF "NABLA" Subject: Re: How to DIR the disk??? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 516 Lines: 20 Gasson wrote: > Hmmm, how about: > LOAD "$" DATA d$() > where d$ is an array of size (num_files+2,32), with the disk > name at the top, and free space at the bottom. At BASIC level you can do everything using RSX. I need directory access at asm level. This formats limits the name of file. What should be added to it? Date? Length? Flags? What will you do when there's 2000 entries in catalog? (My 8MB HDD partition have 1023 entries.) The number of free KBs you can get with function #C2 for E=0. -- Yarek. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Sep 6 11:02:41 1999 From: Jarek Adamski To: James Gasson Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 00:39:25 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <37D2CA62.2C616233@clear.net.nz> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: PF "NABLA" Subject: Re: How to DIR the disk??? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 516 Lines: 20 Gasson wrote: > Hmmm, how about: > LOAD "$" DATA d$() > where d$ is an array of size (num_files+2,32), with the disk > name at the top, and free space at the bottom. At BASIC level you can do everything using RSX. I need directory access at asm level. This formats limits the name of file. What should be added to it? Date? Length? Flags? What will you do when there's 2000 entries in catalog? (My 8MB HDD partition have 1023 entries.) The number of free KBs you can get with function #C2 for E=0. -- Yarek. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Sep 6 11:02:42 1999 From: Jarek Adamski To: Gordon Wallis Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 03:56:12 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <37D2B91F.2DA5AA0A@hexdidnt.clara.net> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: PF "NABLA" Subject: Re: Hardware MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1742 Lines: 48 Gordon Wallis wrote: > All your ideas sound very good, but the market's so small now. Some of them I'll do anyway. Why not to share with others? Will be ever the market bigger? I've designed YABUS to be able to connect the same device to different computers, what makes the market a bit bigger. > My feelings exactly. This probably explains why I fiddle about > on my Sam designing games that'll never see the light of > day... or maybe I'm just stupid... Don't resign the dreams. Perhaps you can do what I can't? Perhaps I can do what you can't? Perhaps we could work together? > Either way, if only more people thought like that! Perhaps there are and we don't know them yet? > I wish I did! All I know about MSX is stuff I've read on the > web. I used SVI 738 X'PRESS over 5 years. I gave up because I didn't know anyone else interested in MSX and wasn't able to show my programs for it. You are the first one talking to me about MSX. > I've played a few emulated games (anyone care to tell me > why the Sam couldn't do something like Metal Gear?), What is "Metal Gear"? I have had only about 35 MSX games (in 1990) and no way to get any more. :-( So I decided to buy SAM to be able to use CP/M programs from MSX. And also some from ZX, I used before. At end I made CPM22QED for SAM using MSX. > and a lot appear to be in a mode not too unlike Mode 2. But MSX has separate VRAM accessible via I/O ports. This could work with "second Z80" extention like for ZX128. The Z80 of SAM would emulate VDP, PSG, joysticks, keyboard and disk drive. > Just goes to show, you don't need an OS by Microsoft to run a > good machine. Oh... Hang on... MSX _did_ have a Microsoft > OS... Damn. It would have to be rewritten anyway. -- Yarek. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Sep 6 11:02:43 1999 From: Jarek Adamski To: Robert Brady Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 01:42:20 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: PF "NABLA" Subject: Re: Hardware MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 713 Lines: 21 Robert Brady wrote: > I would assume that when someone was talking about "High > Density Floppies", they are in fact referring to "High Density > Floppies", or HDFDs, sometimes erroneously called "1.44MB" > disks, despite the fact that you can easily get 1.6MB on them, > maybe more if you were feeling dangerous. ;) I don't understand why everyone writing about increasing capacity of disk (or changing format at all) calls it dangerous. If the data don't fit the track, there will be bad sectors from definition. I am able to store 913KB of data on ordinary disk of SAM (but such fromat isn't very useful). And this still isn't the end. BTW does someone know something about graphics tablets? -- Yarek. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Sep 6 11:02:43 1999 From: Jarek Adamski To: James Gasson Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 11:47:29 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: PF "NABLA" Subject: Re: Hardware MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 760 Lines: 21 Gasson wrote: > On the subject of high density floppies, would it be possible > to connect an Amiga high density drive to the Spectrum and > Sam? I've attached Amiga HDFDD to TIMEX FDD 3000 (it has FDC 1770). It doesn't want to boot CPM22QED from the usual disk. But I had another somewhere... I've got it... Oops, 0.04 version - it was ages ago... Seems to be OK, the DD disks are readed quite correctly... Mount PRODOS format also work... Let me take HD disk... I have TDK MF-2HF MS-DOS formatted. It is also readed corectly... Well, I can say *IT* *WORKS* !!!. So I must consider the purchase of several Amiga HDFDDs... Why I didn't try this before??? The speed of spin is selected by right hand hole. And I still didn't try to write to disk. -- Yarek. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Sep 6 11:02:44 1999 From: Jarek Adamski To: James Gasson Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 04:00:52 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <37D2CD10.70F85722@clear.net.nz> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: PF "NABLA" Subject: Re: Hardware MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 885 Lines: 25 Gasson wrote: > On the subject of high density floppies, would it be possible > to connect an Amiga high density drive to the Spectrum and > Sam? I think it would. I didn't try. The Amiga HDFDD slows down the spin of disk, so it doesn't require HDFDC. But for ZX and SAM still any FDC is needed. I have Amiga HDFDD at home and could perform an experiment... Must only move somewhere my HPLJ printer and carry the drive... > I know someone here in Dunedin, New Zealand who has been > considering the idea of attaching a high density drive to > their Spectrum. Neither he nor I know much about the Amiga > drives though. I don't, too. At least here the problem is that Amiga HDFDD still requires FDC and is twice expensive than set of ordinary HDFDD with ISA Multi I/O card (what gives also 2xCOM and LPT). Besides, for ZX you need some more memory with operating system. -- Yarek. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Sep 6 15:03:31 1999 Message-ID: <000801bef86f$e1b13d20$2dc548c2@chris--pc.> From: "Chris Pile" To: Subject: Re: Defender Source Code Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:58:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 396 Lines: 11 >This is no problem: check out: > >ftp://ftp.nvg.ntnu.no/pub/sam-coupe/utils/misc/comet2a.pak >ftp://ftp.nvg.ntnu.no/pub/sam-coupe/utils/misc/comet2a.td0 >ftp://ftp.nvg.ntnu.no/pub/sam-coupe/utils/misc/comet2a.txt Nice one!!! Providing you have Comet that is! I don't. Plus, the PC is a far superior dev-platform due to the fact that my SAM keyboard row SHIFT to B is knackered. ;-) Chris. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Sep 6 15:14:18 1999 Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 15:05:08 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@orange.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Defender Source Code In-Reply-To: <000801bef86f$e1b13d20$2dc548c2@chris--pc.> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 554 Lines: 17 On Mon, 6 Sep 1999, Chris Pile wrote: > my SAM keyboard row SHIFT to B is knackered. ;-) Aha - that explains the slightly unusual default keyboard controls then :) Hmmm. Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Sep 6 16:33:21 1999 From: "Paul Walker" Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 16:27:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: WaterWorks Message-ID: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) X-Hops: 1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 522 Lines: 16 Possibly a silly question, but has anyone managed to successfully make an image file of this? If so, I'd appreciate a copy - I can't get my copy to, er, copy, and having recently replayed the demo on a copy of Fred I want to play it again. ;) (If anyone's worried, I do have the original, of both WW and WW2.) Ta, -- Paul ... those Evil 75-Line Netscape Digital Signatures, and Posters using them, do not deserve to live, HTML or No HTML. -- The Rt Rev'd Dr Fluffy Cat III, MEOW, in news.admin.net-abuse.usenet From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Sep 6 19:00:31 1999 From: David L To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Defender Source Code X-Sender: sparticus@clara.co.uk X-Mailer: ClaraNet WWW E-Mail Client Date: Mon, 6 Sep 99 18:58:26 BST Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 459 Lines: 11 > > Nice one!!! Providing you have Comet that is! I don't. Plus, the PC is > a far superior dev-platform due to the fact that my SAM keyboard row > SHIFT to B is knackered. ;-) Hi Chris - Perhaps Andrew Gale has a protype of his card u could test for him? (I'm sure I can sort u out with a PC keyboard ;) David PS: Glad people can finally play Defender! And finally appreciate a true genius of code! Nice to actually see a finished game for a change! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Sep 6 19:14:42 1999 Message-ID: <000c01bef893$7a732500$836c883e@sadsnail> From: "Tim" To: "sam-users" References: <009901bef663$c4afbfc0$c024893e@sadsnail> <37d16710.196517@relay.clara.net> Subject: Re: Magazine copyrights etc. Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 19:09:45 +0100 Organization: Sad Snail Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 786 Lines: 24 From: Nick Humphries > On Sat, 4 Sep 1999 00:24:49 +0100 Sat, 4 Sep 99 01:28:04 BST, you wrote: > track down the original writers as copyright is quite possibly owned by them > anyway. A lot of YS writers only gave Dennis/Future Publishing "first serial > rights", which means that Dennis/Future can print the article once, but not > again, and the copyright is owned by the original writer. [And other useful stuff] Things to be thinking about, thanks. unfortunately after having a look, a lot of my cuttings are from the "news" pages, and are uncredited :-( , now all I have to do is remember who published what. The publishers seem a good start though. YS was future? Crash (once newsfield) was taken over by SU which was EMAP? Cheers again, Tim From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Sep 6 20:14:04 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop3.house Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000c01bef893$7a732500$836c883e@sadsnail> References: <009901bef663$c4afbfc0$c024893e@sadsnail> <37d16710.196517@relay.clara.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 19:57:49 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Magazine copyrights etc. X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 505 Lines: 15 Tim wrote: >Crash (once newsfield) was taken over by SU which was EMAP? Yes, but Newsfield itself was bought (IIRC) by EuroPress - did their deal with EMAP include the copyright to old issues, or just the right to reproduce the Crash logo on their front cover of SU? Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Sep 6 22:55:00 1999 From: Jarek Adamski To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 20:36:11 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: PF "NABLA" Subject: Amiga HDFDD MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1392 Lines: 37 Hi! I made some tests. The useful track size is about 12470 bytes. I managed to QFORMAT disk to 1804KB (82 tracks). But on such format there's no pleace for boot sectors, so I stick to 1640KB size. All the more because I expect also problems with FDC 765A while 1804KB format. Then I defined QED1M6 CP/M format. I must still test the variants of phisical sector interleave and size of directory. I was able to boot TIMEX FDD 3000 from QED1M6 disk without problems. (Over 800KB still free - what to do with such disk?) I noticed some more read errors than usual. But this can be only a coincidence. I have only one such drive, used it with only one FDC (1770) and only with three floppy disks (one of them was QED1M6). It worked several hours together. I copied bucket of files first to QED1M6 disk and then to QED820 disk. The transmission speed is the same to DD disk. There's only more sectors per track. Large files will be readed a bit faster due to low number of heads movement. I think it is possible to use Amiga HDFDD with Spectrum and SAM. The only problem is operating system that would use full size of HD disk. BTW I'll try to connect the drive to ZX+3 soon. I can also connect it to Schneider CPC 6128, if anyone interested. Both have FDC 765A, but with different PLL solution. Also to SVI 738 X'PRESS (MSX, FDC 1793) if it is possible to borrow this machine. -- Yarek. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Sep 7 01:45:38 1999 From: "Paul Walker" Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 01:44:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: SimCoupe/DOS X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 450 Lines: 14 Hi, Two things - firstly, is anyone actually maintaining this at present?  Secondly, did anyone actually get the source included to compile? Mine kept complaining about missing header files; don't remember exactly which, I'll check tomorrow. -- Paul Then what's hindering somebody to buy a cruise missile at a surplus sale and send it as Unsolited Cruise Missile to a foreign country? -- Wolfgang Schelongowski in news.admin.net-abuse.email From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Sep 7 09:14:01 1999 From: "James R Curry" <8bit@itdoesntsuck.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 03:10:41 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Now you can all play a lame game under emulation! X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19990907081204Z49408-21026+159@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 486 Lines: 13 Blast Turbo, the updated version of Blast which was originally on Fred 56 (Blast Turbo itself was on a late Fred issue, but who knows which?) is now available for downloading. If you want some game to play on your Sam or under emulation and you didn't have a Fred sub at the time, you can be subjected to this one by pointing your browser at: http://www.lhutz.demon.co.uk/sam.htm Hope you enjoy it. :) -- James R Curry - 8bit@itdoesntsuck.com "The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!" From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Sep 7 10:00:16 1999 Message-Id: <00da01bef90f$5e84cde0$7751c29e@inf.upol.cz> From: "Aley Keprt" To: References: Subject: Re: SimCoupe/DOS Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 11:00:01 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 595 Lines: 21 > Hi, > > Two things - firstly, is anyone actually maintaining this at present? I do. > Secondly, did anyone actually get the source included to compile? Mine kept > complaining about missing header files; don't remember exactly which, I'll > check tomorrow. I can send the missing files. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Aley [eili] Keprt - student, programmer (multimedia soft. etc.) phone: +420-68-538 70 35 e-mail: AleyKeprt@bigfoot.com *** http://get.to/aley ---------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Sep 7 12:20:48 1999 Message-Id: <003101bef921$31b030e0$7751c29e@inf.upol.cz> From: "Aley Keprt" To: References: Subject: Re: SimCoupe 0.783a - ZIP Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 13:07:37 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2379 Lines: 68 > Andrew Collier wrote: > > >Surely it is better to have different extensions for distinguishable file > >types. > > It is. > > [snip] > > >No no no, the filename extension should be meaningful to the user (as well > >as to the computer, if the computer takes any notice of it anyway). > > Yep. That's the standard way of doing things. Simcoupe itself should > only care about the first two bytes of the file. The file manager will > need to know what the type is, so that it knows what to open it with. > For example, you may want to have compress on the menu for sad files, > and uncompress on the menu for saz files. > > [snip] > > >> Internally packed SAD is still a SAD. > > It's a compressed sad -- the user *needs* to know this. > > [snip] > > >Exactly. If you use a standard compression alogrithm (but still internal > >to SimCoupe) and save the files with the standard extention for that > >algorithm, then everybody can still use the file. > > And in a large group of mixed types when you want to compress only the > uncompressed files, you can tell which ones they are. A simple gzip > *.sad would do the trick. Otherwise... you might be trying to compress > compressed files, which would be a Bad Thing [tm], too. > > Stuart Brady Again: Compressed SAD is still a SAD. Microsoft made many versions of their Word and DOC files. If Microsoft named each particular version with a new name, now we would have tens of file extensions. But there is only one extension: DOC. So I think this is our case. If I will make a new version of SAD file format (i.e. packed SAD), I will leave the existing extension unchanged. If somebody will want to pack old SAD's to new shorter files, he probably will use a program to do it (:-)). That program can easily distinguish between packed and unpacked SAD, so there will be no "Bad Thing [tm]" as Stuart Brady wrote. In addition, you can never use new fileformats in old programs. (Again you can't load the lastest DOC files to the older Word.) So you even won't be able to load packed SAD's to older SimCoupe. That's reality. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Aley [eili] Keprt - student, programmer (multimedia soft. etc.) phone: +420-68-538 70 35 e-mail: AleyKeprt@bigfoot.com *** http://get.to/aley ---------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Sep 7 12:23:57 1999 Message-Id: <006b01bef921$efceff70$7751c29e@inf.upol.cz> From: "Aley Keprt" To: "Sam Users" Subject: Long filenames Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 13:12:56 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 731 Lines: 18 Many people said we could use long file extensions in SimCoupe (especially for packed .sad.tar.gz, etc.), but I ask: Do we really need this? There are several things unpossible in DOS, and when we will need such, we must stop supporting DOS (e.g.digital sound has no standard in DOS). But why should we throw away DOS version only because the lack of long filenames? ( When .tar.gz is .tgz, then .sad.tar.gz could be .stg :))) ) ---------------------------------------------------------------- Aley [eili] Keprt - student, programmer (multimedia soft. etc.) phone: +420-68-538 70 35 e-mail: AleyKeprt@bigfoot.com *** http://get.to/aley ---------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Sep 7 12:26:25 1999 Message-ID: <000101bef961$8b367b20$6f1dac3e@default> From: "Robert Wilkinson" To: "Sam Usergroup" Subject: KE_DISK Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 11:48:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 75 Lines: 5 Can anyone tell me where to get ke_disk or pc_suite from. Bob Wilkinson From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Sep 7 13:40:30 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851D30@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: KE_DISK Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 13:46:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1065 Lines: 28 You can get KE-Disk from the usual ftp site - I can't remember the exact path but the site is ftp.nvg.unit.no... One small peice of advice with KE-Disk - it's best to change the BASIC code to force the program to reread the entire disk directory before every disk command. IIRC, you need to put a 'root' procedure call after the code to deal with parsing the command. If you don't do this, and you're converting lots of files, you will probably make the same mistake (as I keep doing) of putting SAM disk in the drive, forgetting to do a directory listing and saving the file that you had just loaded from an MS-DOS disk - as you can imagine, it completely wipes out your SAM disk with amazing, but, bloody fustrating consequences. It is a shame there was no wildcard options to do a block copy... Justin. > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Wilkinson [SMTP:Wilkinson40@tesco.net] > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 1999 7:48 PM > To: Sam Usergroup > Subject: KE_DISK > > Can anyone tell me where to get ke_disk or pc_suite from. > > > Bob Wilkinson > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Sep 7 13:51:36 1999 From: Frode =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Tenneb=F8?= Message-Id: <199909071249.OAA10568@musa.edh.ericsson.se> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:49:52 +0200 (MET DST) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: RE[2]: KE_DISK In-Reply-To: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851D30@mailhost.aculab.com> X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.3.4-990827-sol MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id NAA03213 Status: RO Content-Length: 492 Lines: 14 Justin Skists wrote: > You can get KE-Disk from the usual ftp site - I can't remember the > exact path but the site is ftp.nvg.unit.no... ftp.nvg.ntnu.no - unit is dead. -Frode -- ^ Frode Tennebø | email: ft@edh.ericsson.se ^ | Ericsson Radar AS. | Isebakkeveien 49 | | Phone: +47 69 21 41 47 | N-1788 Halden | | with Standard.Disclaimer; use Standard.Disclaimer; | From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Sep 7 14:06:07 1999 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:04:46 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@orange.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SimCoupe 0.783a - ZIP In-Reply-To: <003101bef921$31b030e0$7751c29e@inf.upol.cz> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2759 Lines: 72 On Tue, 7 Sep 1999, Aley Keprt wrote: > > Andrew Collier wrote: > > > > >> Internally packed SAD is still a SAD. > > It's a compressed sad -- the user *needs* to know this. > > Again: Compressed SAD is still a SAD. Again: Oh no it isn't. the user *needs* to be able to see, at a glance, the difference between an uncompressed and a compressed image. There are programs, current programs such as samdsk and dskman, which the user *will need to use* in addition to SimCoupe - they understand .dsk files but do not understand compressed .dsk files. The user MUST be aware that a file is compressed before trying to feed it to one of these programs. > Microsoft made many versions of their Word and DOC files. > If Microsoft named each particular version with a new name, > now we would have tens of file extensions. > But there is only one extension: DOC. Yes, and that's a Right Royal Pain if you're trying to read a file and you don't have access to the very super-duper latest Microsoft software. It's impossible even to determine which version of Word you should be trying to interpret (eg. ClarisWorks can read a Word 6 document but not any later version; if I'm given a .doc file I don't know if I can read it until I try -- if it's a Word97 document then that's wasting MY time.) Just because Microsoft have implemented a broken standard, doesn't mean we all have to. ... > If somebody will want to pack old SAD's to new shorter files, > he probably will use a program to do it (:-)). That program can > easily distinguish between packed and unpacked SAD, so > there will be no "Bad Thing [tm]" as Stuart Brady wrote. If you use zlib (as I thought had been agreed, was a Good Idea TM) then there is NO difference between a compressed SAD saved by the new SimCoupe, and a normal SAD saved by the current SimCoupe which is zip-compressed or whatever. .. except that you'd give them different filenames. > In addition, you can never use new fileformats in old programs. > (Again you can't load the lastest DOC files to the older Word.) Are you saying this is a good thing? > So you even won't be able to load packed SAD's to older > SimCoupe. But you will! Since you know that a compressed SAD is just a normal SAD which has been compressed (natch) there's really nothing to stop you from uncompressing the SAD and using it. > That's reality. Don't believe it. Given that some Microsoft programmers made a design error, so what? Either make the same error they did, or do things right this time around. Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Sep 7 20:26:59 1999 From: Jarek Adamski To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 15:34:23 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: PF "NABLA" Subject: New hardware for SAM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 543 Lines: 24 Hi! I want to add one more thing to my hardware project list. This is extention with CPU compatibile to Z80, but 16b and working at 28MHz. This is all I know in this matter as yet. So I counted the votes (valid/invalid): 1. 4MB SIMM - 1/3 2. ZX128 emul - 1/3 3. DMA - 0/3 4. ISA cross - 0/3 5. Interlacer - 0/3 6. Amiga HDFDD - 1/0 7. 28MHz CPU - 0/0 Number of voters: 5. Please limit those "I'm interested in all of them" votes to one or two things. I want to know what I should finish first. -- Yarek. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Sep 7 22:28:23 1999 Message-ID: <37D57FE6.99B7AF3D@btinternet.com> Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 22:13:10 +0100 From: Thomas Harte X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-* MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: New hardware for SAM References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 232 Lines: 11 > 1. 4MB SIMM - 1/3 > 2. ZX128 emul - 1/3 > 3. DMA - 0/3 > 4. ISA cross - 0/3 > 5. Interlacer - 0/3 > 6. Amiga HDFDD - 1/0 > 7. 28MHz CPU - 0/0 Alright, I vote for 28MHz CPU and DMA . . . -Thomas From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Sep 7 22:33:57 1999 Message-ID: <00d301bef978$668163a0$64a5fea9@simcooke3> From: "Simon Cooke" To: References: Subject: Re: New hardware for SAM Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:31:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 647 Lines: 14 Don't forget that if you're considering doing a 28MHz CPU for the SAM, you may want to consult with me and /or Martin Rookyard regarding the fiddly details you'll have to worry about :) We had a prototype that ran at 12MHz with an overclocked Z80... and discovered that you'd need to have some glue (probably a finite state machine) in the middle that marshals memory and IO transactions over to the internal memory. Or possibly not; the Z380 (which is what I presume you're thinking of using) has different wait-state logic, and can hang on a half-clock if you need it to, so it might not be an issue. Simple solution: Try it and see ;) Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Sep 7 22:50:34 1999 Message-ID: <001b01bef972$55b58520$075708c3@persona> From: "David L" To: References: <00d301bef978$668163a0$64a5fea9@simcooke3> Subject: Re: New hardware for SAM Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 21:48:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 274 Lines: 12 ----- Original Message ----- From: Simon Cooke To: Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 1999 10:31 PM Subject: Re: New hardware for SAM > Simple solution: Try it and see ;) And dont forget to see how it runs with Lemmings ;) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Sep 7 22:58:09 1999 Message-ID: <002701bef972$f1b4d2a0$075708c3@persona> From: "David L" To: References: Subject: Re: New hardware for SAM Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 21:52:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 906 Lines: 37 ----- Original Message ----- From: Jarek Adamski To: Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 1999 3:34 PM Subject: New hardware for SAM > 1. 4MB SIMM - 1/3 Agreed. What types of Simms are u thinking off? EDO is getting scarecer. > 2. ZX128 emul - 1/3 Nope - not as much point. However, if you're talking about a parallel processor...? > 3. DMA - 0/3 > 4. ISA cross - 0/3 Interesting. But not so easy getting of ISA hardware these days > 5. Interlacer - 0/3 VERY interesting! (See note below!) > 6. Amiga HDFDD - 1/0 > 7. 28MHz CPU - 0/0 Yes please - if u can master that one!! Interesting thought re graphics hardware..... You & Gordon where discussing MSX hardware not so long ago.... there is an MSX graphics board (Gordon will know the name!) which adds a lot of nice extra facilities.... could it be adapted to work? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Sep 8 00:50:22 1999 Message-ID: <001d01bef98b$94bc6ea0$64a5fea9@simcooke3> From: "Simon Cooke" To: References: <00d301bef978$668163a0$64a5fea9@simcooke3> <001b01bef972$55b58520$075708c3@persona> Subject: Re: New hardware for SAM Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 16:49:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 368 Lines: 11 > > Simple solution: Try it and see ;) > > And dont forget to see how it runs with Lemmings ;) Yep... if you don't get snow on the screen, and the sound still works, and it can still load from disk, you've cracked it :) Thinking of which, you may need extra gubbins in there to check for a write to the disk controller and force a delay... but that's doable. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Sep 8 01:54:13 1999 From: "Paul Walker" Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 11:48:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: WaterWorks Message-ID: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) X-Hops: 1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 414 Lines: 15 Possibly a silly question, but has anyone managed to successfully make an image file of this? If so, I'd appreciate a copy - I can't get my copy to, er, copy, and having recently replayed the demo on a copy of Fred I want to play it again. ;) (If anyone's worried, I do have the original, of both WW and WW2.) Ta, -- Paul I don't care who I get into bed with. -- David Blunkett on Today, 24th March 1997. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Sep 8 01:54:13 1999 From: "Paul Walker" Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 11:49:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: SimCoupe/DOS Message-ID: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) X-Hops: 1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 534 Lines: 16 Hi, Two things - firstly, is anyone actually maintaining this at present? Secondly, did anyone actually get the source included to compile? Mine kept complaining about missing header files; don't remember exactly which, I'll check tomorrow. -- Paul I see my generation of Senior Hackers as being the peng-wan-kenobis of the software world, handing down such pearls of wisdom as, If you strike me down, Gates, I shall become more powerful than you can imagine, and, use the source, Luke. -- Robert Billing, uk.comp.os.linux From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Sep 8 06:38:47 1999 From: Frode =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Tenneb=F8?= Message-Id: <199909080537.HAA11278@musa.edh.ericsson.se> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 07:37:34 +0200 (MET DST) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: New hardware for SAM In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.3.4-990827-sol MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id GAA28403 Status: RO Content-Length: 451 Lines: 15 Jarek Adamski wrote: > > 3. DMA - 0/3 > 7. 28MHz CPU - 0/0 And this concludes the votes from the Norwegian jury... -Frode -- ^ Frode Tennebø | email: ft@edh.ericsson.se ^ | Ericsson Radar AS. | Isebakkeveien 49 | | Phone: +47 69 21 41 47 | N-1788 Halden | | with Standard.Disclaimer; use Standard.Disclaimer; | From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Sep 8 07:12:21 1999 Message-ID: <37D59DBD.E6AF6A98@clear.net.nz> Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 00:20:30 +0100 From: Gasson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (OS/2; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: KE_DISK References: <000101bef961$8b367b20$6f1dac3e@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1375 Lines: 34 Robert Wilkinson wrote: > Can anyone tell me where to get ke_disk or pc_suite from. > > Bob Wilkinson Yeah, I can e-mail it to you. ;-) But seriously, you could download some components of Jarek's Spectrum emulator for the Sam Coupe. It runs on his own port of CP/M, but has programs to convert between CP/M and PC, and CP/M and Sam. It is possible to copy the emulator, CP/M and utilities to Sam without using any special disk utilities (just a Sam, and a computer running PC-DOS). I can vouch that this works. http://nautilus.torch.net.pl/zxland (I think.) >From memory, download CPM22QED.LHA, and LHA.EXE (the LHA program is to uncompress the first file). Also get ZXVGSUSR.LHA, which contains some cobbled togeather installation instructions. (I have the dubious honour of having constructed this "manual", by collating Jarek's instructions -- unless he's updated it). When you use LHA, you may have to specify a switch to ignore attributes. (It has a help option which lists the switches.) Also, once the files are uncompressed, they may be hidden, so you'll have to unhide them. I haven't bothered being too precise with these instructions, because I expect you will first try to get a copy of KE-Disk or PC-Suite on a Sam disk. But if you can't do that, then the above is a method which will work without having to get a program on Sam disk. -- James Gasson From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Sep 8 15:07:12 1999 Message-ID: <005701bef9c9$0e067700$64a5fea9@simcooke3> From: "Simon Cooke" To: References: <199909080537.HAA11278@musa.edh.ericsson.se> Subject: Re: New hardware for SAM Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 00:09:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 320 Lines: 13 > Jarek Adamski wrote: > > > > 3. DMA - 0/3 > > 7. 28MHz CPU - 0/0 > > And this concludes the votes from the Norwegian jury... Can I jump in with the "Norge.... nil points" quip now? :) Just be glad you don't get Terry Wogan on your Eurovision Song Contest coverage.. yuck! si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Sep 8 15:22:27 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851D31@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: New hardware for SAM Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 10:13:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 99 Lines: 7 > 3. DMA - 0/3 > 7. 28MHz CPU - 0/0 I vote for these two (on one board?)!!!! Justin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Sep 8 15:22:53 1999 From: "Paul Walker" Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:56:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: SimCoupe/DOS Message-ID: In-reply-to: <00da01bef90f$5e84cde0$7751c29e@inf.upol.cz> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) X-Hops: 1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 658 Lines: 20 > > Secondly, did anyone actually get the source included to compile? Mine > > kept complaining about missing header files; don't remember exactly which, I'll > > check tomorrow. > I can send the missing files. Could you just upload an ZIP file of the source that you currently have? That would be better, since it would mean the whole source is of the same revision, not bits scattered around. Pick a webserver, give us the URL, and I'll grab it. ;) Thanks, -- Paul ... it's about damn time that all of us who actually give a damn about Usenet stand up and tell the people who don't to fuck off and die. -- Russ Allbery in net.subculture.usenet From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Sep 8 18:25:01 1999 Message-ID: <37D69B68.E9227EEF@btinternet.com> Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 18:22:48 +0100 From: Thomas Harte X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-* MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: New hardware for SAM References: <199909080537.HAA11278@musa.edh.ericsson.se> <005701bef9c9$0e067700$64a5fea9@simcooke3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 167 Lines: 6 > Just be glad you don't get Terry Wogan on your Eurovision Song Contest > coverage.. yuck! Surely being in America saves you from any Eurovision anyway? -Thomas From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Sep 8 18:42:39 1999 Message-ID: <37D69BD4.1F18BD02@btinternet.com> Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 18:24:36 +0100 From: Thomas Harte X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-* MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SimCoupe/DOS References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id SAA07895 Status: RO Content-Length: 359 Lines: 9 > Secondly, did anyone actually get the source included to compile? Mine kept > complaining about missing header files; don't remember exactly which, I'll > check tomorrow. You did realise that the SimCoupé DOS releases from Aley only contain as much source as has been changed since the last Allan Skillman release (SimCoup078_DOS.zip I think)? -Thomas From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Sep 8 19:45:26 1999 Message-ID: <37D6AE11.2103@clara.net> Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 19:42:25 +0100 From: Gordon Wallis Organization: HEXdidn't... X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: SAMDSK - a testimony Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1162 Lines: 26 Is the author of SAMDSK.EXE on the mailing list? I only ask 'cos the little program saved my life (well, not quite) the other day. I had a 2-drive Sam for ages - one 1Mb, one 2Mb - and the two drives were never completely compatible. When I got my ATOM and hard disk (are these still available? Edwin? David L?), I removed the 2Mb drive and consigned it to my 'spares' shelf. Recently I found that my only SamDOS disk (the one with demos and Flash on it) was written in my 2Mb drive, and so wouldn't work in the 1Mb drive. No problem, though. SAMDSK made an image of the disk, then wrote it back to a new disk. This new disk works perfectly in my 1Mb drive, thus enabling me to experience the sheer joy (irony) of Flash once again. SAMDSK: I love it, and I thank the author. Gord. Ps. Why does it report an error every time it writes a disk, even when the disk works perfectly? Is it just my machine being oversensitive? -- < The HEXdidn't... Homepage: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < ------ Featuring The U.K. Policenauts Homepage ------ > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< http://www.hexdidnt.clara.net > \---------- AOL Instant Messenger: 'hexdidnt' ----------/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Sep 8 19:45:27 1999 Message-ID: <37D6AE23.5B3F@clara.net> Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 19:42:43 +0100 From: Gordon Wallis Organization: HEXdidn't... X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: New hardware for SAM References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 516 Lines: 16 I'd have to go for: > 5. Interlacer - 0/3 > 7. 28MHz CPU - 0/0 But, then, I don't really understand techy stuff like DMA and ISA. SIMM compatibility would be nice, as would HDFDDs. Although a more direct 128K emulator sounds good, I'd prefer some _new_ games ;-) Gord. -- < The HEXdidn't... Homepage: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < ------ Featuring The U.K. Policenauts Homepage ------ > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< http://www.hexdidnt.clara.net > \---------- AOL Instant Messenger: 'hexdidnt' ----------/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Sep 8 19:45:28 1999 Message-ID: <37D6AE2A.775F@clara.net> Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 19:42:50 +0100 From: Gordon Wallis Organization: HEXdidn't... X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: New hardware for SAM References: <002701bef972$f1b4d2a0$075708c3@persona> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 681 Lines: 16 David L wrote: > You & Gordon where discussing MSX hardware not so long ago.... there is an > MSX graphics board (Gordon will know the name!) which adds a lot of nice > extra facilities.... could it be adapted to work? Damn. I _should_ know the name, as I remember looking it up. Can't remember where I found out about it, unless it was the smae place that had the SCSI card details... I'll dig around. Gord. (Mr. Forgetful-When-It-Suits-Me) -- < The HEXdidn't... Homepage: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < ------ Featuring The U.K. Policenauts Homepage ------ > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< http://www.hexdidnt.clara.net > \---------- AOL Instant Messenger: 'hexdidnt' ----------/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Sep 8 19:59:37 1999 Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 19:58:25 +0000 (GMT) From: Paul Walker To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SimCoupe/DOS In-Reply-To: <37D69BD4.1F18BD02@btinternet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 293 Lines: 10 On Wed, 8 Sep 1999, Thomas Harte wrote: > You did realise that the SimCoupé DOS releases from Aley only contain as much > source as has been changed since the last Allan Skillman release > (SimCoup078_DOS.zip I think)? This was trying to compile *Allan's* release, not Aley's. :-) -- Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Sep 8 20:14:06 1999 Message-ID: <37D6B506.F0BB149E@bonbon.net> Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 20:12:06 +0100 From: Martin Fitzpatrick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: New hardware for SAM References: <37D6AE23.5B3F@clara.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 664 Lines: 26 Gordon Wallis wrote: > > I'd have to go for: > > > 5. Interlacer - 0/3 > > 7. 28MHz CPU - 0/0 > > But, then, I don't really understand techy stuff like DMA and ISA. SIMM > compatibility would be nice, as would HDFDDs. Although a more direct > 128K emulator sounds good, I'd prefer some _new_ games ;-) I may actually write one one of these days. The only problem being my knowlege of z80 asm is dodgy to say the least, and I haven't used C for about 3 years & promptly forgot it. ..Oh well.. And good z80 tutorial things out there?... Might give it a bash on a rainy day. Fitz -- Email: poohsticks@bonbon.net ICQ#: 11077801 AOL/CServeIM: Flupert From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Sep 8 20:18:48 1999 Message-ID: <37D6B561.6D5887B9@bonbon.net> Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 20:13:37 +0100 From: Martin Fitzpatrick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Now you can all play a lame game under emulation! References: <19990907081204Z49408-21026+159@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 560 Lines: 19 James R Curry wrote: > > Blast Turbo, the updated version of Blast which was originally on > Fred 56 (Blast Turbo itself was on a late Fred issue, but who knows > which?) is now available for downloading. That game is *ridiculously* fast :)... I can't cope, its kinda like instant death, every time. What was the SimCoupe command thingy for setting it to run slower slightly (forcing something syncronisation (very accurate aren't i))... Any ideas? No doubt someone will know, Fitz -- Email: poohsticks@bonbon.net ICQ#: 11077801 AOL/CServeIM: Flupert From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Sep 8 20:55:08 1999 Message-ID: <004b01befa33$f24903a0$2b2a883e@atlantic> From: "Dave Hooper" To: References: <37D6AE11.2103@clara.net> Subject: Re: SAMDSK - a testimony Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 20:53:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1653 Lines: 45 Hello! It's been a while since I wrote that so, to be honest, I really can't answer any questions about error messages, bugs, or features! I only wrote it because (a) loads of people couldn't get Mat's Samdisk program to work on their PC and (b) nor could I. dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Gordon Wallis To: Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 7:42 PM Subject: SAMDSK - a testimony > Is the author of SAMDSK.EXE on the mailing list? I only ask 'cos the > little program saved my life (well, not quite) the other day. > > I had a 2-drive Sam for ages - one 1Mb, one 2Mb - and the two drives > were never completely compatible. When I got my ATOM and hard disk (are > these still available? Edwin? David L?), I removed the 2Mb drive and > consigned it to my 'spares' shelf. > > Recently I found that my only SamDOS disk (the one with demos and Flash > on it) was written in my 2Mb drive, and so wouldn't work in the 1Mb > drive. No problem, though. SAMDSK made an image of the disk, then wrote > it back to a new disk. This new disk works perfectly in my 1Mb drive, > thus enabling me to experience the sheer joy (irony) of Flash once > again. > > SAMDSK: I love it, and I thank the author. > > Gord. > > Ps. Why does it report an error every time it writes a disk, even when > the disk works perfectly? Is it just my machine being oversensitive? > -- > < The HEXdidn't... Homepage: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > < ------ Featuring The U.K. Policenauts Homepage ------ > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< http://www.hexdidnt.clara.net > > \---------- AOL Instant Messenger: 'hexdidnt' ----------/ > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Sep 8 22:00:37 1999 Message-ID: <37D6CE2A.98A1F1A3@btinternet.com> Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 21:59:22 +0100 From: Thomas Harte X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-* MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAMDSK - a testimony References: <37D6AE11.2103@clara.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 180 Lines: 6 > thus enabling me to experience the sheer joy (irony) of Flash once It isn't that bad if you use the mouse version, I always thought - it certainly speeds things up! -Thomas From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Sep 8 22:54:16 1999 Message-ID: <002c01befa3c$07776700$045208c3@persona> From: "David L" To: References: <37D6AE11.2103@clara.net> Subject: Re: SAMDSK - a testimony Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 21:52:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 522 Lines: 17 ----- Original Message ----- From: Gordon Wallis To: Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 7:42 PM Subject: SAMDSK - a testimony > I had a 2-drive Sam for ages - one 1Mb, one 2Mb - and the two drives > were never completely compatible. When I got my ATOM and hard disk (are > these still available? Edwin? David L?), I removed the 2Mb drive and > consigned it to my 'spares' shelf. Contact Len Bennet. He's a good chap - but unfortunately I'm not dealing with him myself. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Sep 9 00:37:01 1999 Message-ID: <37D6F2C0.AE57AE07@btinternet.com> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 00:35:28 +0100 From: Thomas Harte X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-* MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAMDSK - a testimony References: <37D6AE11.2103@clara.net> <004b01befa33$f24903a0$2b2a883e@atlantic> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 236 Lines: 7 > It's been a while since I wrote that so, to be honest, I really can't answer > any questions about error messages, bugs, or features! Any chance of posting the source? So that some of us can try and fix it for DOS boxes? -Thomas From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Sep 9 01:01:15 1999 Message-ID: <37D6F865.B111F403@bonbon.net> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 00:59:33 +0100 From: Martin Fitzpatrick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAMDSK - a testimony References: <37D6AE11.2103@clara.net> <004b01befa33$f24903a0$2b2a883e@atlantic> <37D6F2C0.AE57AE07@btinternet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 801 Lines: 24 Thomas Harte wrote: > > > It's been a while since I wrote that so, to be honest, I really can't answer > > any questions about error messages, bugs, or features! > > Any chance of posting the source? So that some of us can try and fix it for > DOS boxes? Ive got another version (a kinda similar thing) that does some other stuff to try and make screwed up disks worked (like dropping down to sector/sector reading when a track has dodgy sectors in it)... I've got the source (in Pascal I'm afriad... well, Pascal mixed with assembler), and its kinda almost finished (apart from the disk writing bit, which I never got around to)... But I'll finish it off & upload it with the source (if you want it that is!!) Fitz -- Email: poohsticks@bonbon.net ICQ#: 11077801 AOL/CServeIM: Flupert From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Sep 9 18:27:44 1999 Message-ID: <37D7EBF5.71A63564@btinternet.com> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 18:18:45 +0100 From: Thomas Harte X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-* MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SAM Mailing List Subject: Spot the error Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id SAA12329 Status: RO Content-Length: 1450 Lines: 56 I've been persuaded that rather than messing about with mode 2 interrupts, since I can on the SAM, it would be better to put the screen into 32768+, get rid of the ROM and use the low 32kb for program and data. Though Andrew Collier did post some example to do this ages ago when I asked some other questions, I lost it similarly ages ago, but came up with this : code org 0 di ; now, to load the current ram page into the bottom half of memory in a, (251) and 31 or 32 out (250), a jp tophalf ; load page 0 into the top half (pc is now in the bottom half thanks to jp) tophalf ld a, 4 out (251), a ; put the screen at page 4, and switch to mode 4 ld a, 100 out (252), a ; do some stuff to check if I did it all right lstart ld bc, $fefe in a, (c) bit 0, a jp nz, bgreen ld a, 2 out (254), a jp lstart bgreen ld a, 4 out (254), a jp lstart Which as far as I'm concerned should be turning the border green, but changing it to red (using the default palette) whenever shift is held down. What it actually does it change the border to green and then do nothing. I've tried some other stuff after the init code including writing r register rubbish to the screen, and it seems that the code functions for a very short while but then just stops. So then . . . what stupid mistake am I making? And I'll assume for now with an example this easy that it isn't 'only testing on SIM Coupé'. -Thomas From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Sep 9 22:41:11 1999 Message-ID: <003601befb0a$05680360$64a5fea9@simcooke3> From: "Simon Cooke" To: References: <37D7EBF5.71A63564@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: Spot the error Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:26:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id WAA15368 Status: RO Content-Length: 3797 Lines: 152 Here's some stuff for you... ORG 0 DUMP 1,0 start: DI LD A,33 ; you've hardcoded your screen, so assume you're putting your code at 32768 OUT (LMPR),A JP jumpdown jumpdown: LD BC,&FEFE loop: IN A,(C) BIT 0,A JP Z, green; you had the sign the other way around; keys are Z (0) when pressed, NZ (1) when released LD A,2 OUT (&FE),A JP loop green: LD A,4 OUT (&FE),A JP loop ... this should do it. While you're testing, you may want to do this instead: ORG 0 DUMP 1,0 start: DI IN A,(VMPR) LD (vmpr.sto+&8001),A IN A,(LMPR) LD (lmpr.sto+&8001),A LD (sp.sto + &8001),SP IN A,(HMPR) AND 31 OR 32 OUT (LMPR),A JP down down: LD A,SCREENPAGE OUT (HMPR),A OR 96 // mode 4 OUT (VMPR),A LD SP,alt.stack EI // if you have an interrupt routine JP main ret.to.basic: DI LD A,1 OUT (HMPR),A JP up+&8000 up: lmpr.sto: LD A,&00 OUT (LMPR),A sp.sto LD SP,&0000 vmpr.sto: LD A,&00 OUT (VMPR),A EI RET main: LD BC,&FEFE loop: IN A,(C) RRA JP NC, ret.to.basic RRA JP NC,green LD A,2 OUT (&FE),A JP loop green: LD A,4 OUT (&FE),A JP loop ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Harte To: SAM Mailing List Sent: Thursday, September 09, 1999 10:18 AM Subject: Spot the error > I've been persuaded that rather than messing about with mode 2 interrupts, > since I can on the SAM, it would be better to put the screen into 32768+, get > rid of the ROM and use the low 32kb for program and data. Though Andrew > Collier did post some example to do this ages ago when I asked some other > questions, I lost it similarly ages ago, but came up with this : > > code > org 0 > > di > > ; now, to load the current ram page into the bottom half of memory > > in a, (251) > and 31 > or 32 > out (250), a > > jp tophalf > > ; load page 0 into the top half (pc is now in the bottom half thanks to jp) > > tophalf ld a, 4 > out (251), a > > ; put the screen at page 4, and switch to mode 4 > > ld a, 100 > out (252), a > > ; do some stuff to check if I did it all right > > lstart ld bc, $fefe > in a, (c) > bit 0, a > jp nz, bgreen > > ld a, 2 > out (254), a > jp lstart > > bgreen ld a, 4 > out (254), a > jp lstart > > Which as far as I'm concerned should be turning the border green, but > changing it to red (using the default palette) whenever shift is held down. > What it actually does it change the border to green and then do nothing. I've > tried some other stuff after the init code including writing r register > rubbish to the screen, and it seems that the code functions for a very short > while but then just stops. > > So then . . . what stupid mistake am I making? And I'll assume for now with > an example this easy that it isn't 'only testing on SIM Coupé'. > > -Thomas > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Sep 9 23:41:51 1999 Message-ID: <37D83479.7729@clara.net> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 23:28:09 +0100 From: Gordon Wallis Organization: HEXdidn't... X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAMDSK - a testimony References: <37D6AE11.2103@clara.net> <37D6CE2A.98A1F1A3@btinternet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 907 Lines: 23 Thomas Harte wrote: > > thus enabling me to experience the sheer joy (irony) of Flash once > > It isn't that bad if you use the mouse version, I always thought - it > certainly speeds things up! > Yuck. I always found the movement to be jerky, imprecise and inconsistent. Sure, it speeds things up, but it also has a habit of skipping pixels just when you don't want it to. And what use is a spraycan function that is really just a spraycan pattern in a normal brush? I only ever use a mouse for graphic work on the PC and Amiga. Or when I'm using SamPaint (now _that's_ a spraycan), but then only _very_ rarely. Gord. (Keyboard graphics maestro/masochist) -- < The HEXdidn't... Homepage: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < ------ Featuring The U.K. Policenauts Homepage ------ > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< http://www.hexdidnt.clara.net > \---------- AOL Instant Messenger: 'hexdidnt' ----------/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Sep 10 08:44:22 1999 Message-Id: <00a301befb60$19025cd0$6c51c29e@inf.upol.cz> From: "Aley Keprt" To: References: Subject: Re: SimCoupe/DOS Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:42:56 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id IAA01467 Status: RO Content-Length: 910 Lines: 26 On Wed, 8 Sep 1999, Thomas Harte wrote: > > You did realise that the SimCoupé DOS releases from Aley only contain as much > > source as has been changed since the last Allan Skillman release > > (SimCoup078_DOS.zip I think)? > > This was trying to compile *Allan's* release, not Aley's. :-) This was a joke? Why does somebody want to compile old version of SimCoupe? My (Aley's) version of SimCoupe is the latest. I though SimCoupe is portable and my updates are as well. So anybody can use them. As I wrote, I can send the missing files. But I can serve only with the latest SimCoupe version (0.783a2). ---------------------------------------------------------------- Aley [eili] Keprt - student, programmer (multimedia soft. etc.) phone: +420-68-538 70 35 e-mail: AleyKeprt@bigfoot.com *** http://get.to/aley ---------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Sep 10 08:55:16 1999 Message-Id: <00bf01befb61$a0402370$6c51c29e@inf.upol.cz> From: "Aley Keprt" To: References: Subject: Re: SimCoupe 0.783a - ZIP Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:53:52 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id IAA01638 Status: RO Content-Length: 4529 Lines: 117 I must say again, that I mean internal compression of SAD, which won't compile the file header. I'm author of SAD, so I think I am allowed to make the new version of SAD. SAD has a header, there will be version 2 ID-byte, so any program will see it. ad Microsoft: Not only Word, but many other programs (I use e.g. Corel Draw) declare new file format versions, when NECESSARY. This is normal, programs are developed during a long period and new funcions come each day. If somebody says "Microsoft did new DOC format '97, and no program can read it. It was bad," it is stupid. Microsoft MUST use new format, since it is the first real unicode, which is internationally necessary. ANY software can have newer versions of files, which other programs can read. This is LIFE! So, there is time for SAD no.2. You need to: a) upgrade your third party software to cope with SAD 2. b) convert SAD2 to SAD or DSK to work with it. Since SAD2 is only SAD version 2, it has the same extension .SAD. That's legal. It may (or may not) contain additional information, which is not applicable to DSK or SAD version 1. (Do you know SAD version 1 can cope with diskettes which DSK can't recognize?) ---------------------------------------------------------------- Aley [eili] Keprt - student, programmer (multimedia soft. etc.) phone: +420-68-538 70 35 e-mail: AleyKeprt@bigfoot.com *** http://get.to/aley ---------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Collier To: Sent: 7. záøí 1999 15:04 Subject: Re: SimCoupe 0.783a - ZIP > On Tue, 7 Sep 1999, Aley Keprt wrote: > > > > Andrew Collier wrote: > > > > > > >> Internally packed SAD is still a SAD. > > > It's a compressed sad -- the user *needs* to know this. > > > > Again: Compressed SAD is still a SAD. > > Again: Oh no it isn't. the user *needs* to be able to see, at a glance, > the difference between an uncompressed and a compressed image. > > There are programs, current programs such as samdsk and dskman, which the > user *will need to use* in addition to SimCoupe - they understand .dsk > files but do not understand compressed .dsk files. The user MUST be aware > that a file is compressed before trying to feed it to one of these > programs. > > > Microsoft made many versions of their Word and DOC files. > > If Microsoft named each particular version with a new name, > > now we would have tens of file extensions. > > But there is only one extension: DOC. > > Yes, and that's a Right Royal Pain if you're trying to read a file and you > don't have access to the very super-duper latest Microsoft software. It's > impossible even to determine which version of Word you should be trying to > interpret (eg. ClarisWorks can read a Word 6 document but not any later > version; if I'm given a .doc file I don't know if I can read it until I > try -- if it's a Word97 document then that's wasting MY time.) > > Just because Microsoft have implemented a broken standard, doesn't mean we > all have to. > > ... > > If somebody will want to pack old SAD's to new shorter files, > > he probably will use a program to do it (:-)). That program can > > easily distinguish between packed and unpacked SAD, so > > there will be no "Bad Thing [tm]" as Stuart Brady wrote. > > If you use zlib (as I thought had been agreed, was a Good Idea TM) then > there is NO difference between a compressed SAD saved by the new SimCoupe, > and a normal SAD saved by the current SimCoupe which is zip-compressed or > whatever. > > .. except that you'd give them different filenames. > > > In addition, you can never use new fileformats in old programs. > > (Again you can't load the lastest DOC files to the older Word.) > > Are you saying this is a good thing? > > > So you even won't be able to load packed SAD's to older > > SimCoupe. > > But you will! Since you know that a compressed SAD is just a normal SAD > which has been compressed (natch) there's really nothing to stop you from > uncompressing the SAD and using it. > > > That's reality. > > Don't believe it. > > Given that some Microsoft programmers made a design error, so what? Either > make the same error they did, or do things right this time around. > > Andrew > > -- > -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other > -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a > -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file > -- > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Sep 10 10:17:04 1999 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:58:09 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@red.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SimCoupe 0.783a - ZIP In-Reply-To: <00bf01befb61$a0402370$6c51c29e@inf.upol.cz> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1754 Lines: 46 On Fri, 10 Sep 1999, Aley Keprt wrote: > I must say again, that I mean internal compression of SAD, > which won't compile the file header. But isn't it easier just to compress the whole thing with zlib? > I'm author of SAD, so I think I am allowed to make the > new version of SAD. SAD has a header, there will be > version 2 ID-byte, so any program will see it. Not so very long ago you were complaining about people making up their own file formats. > ad Microsoft: > Not only Word, but many other programs (I use e.g. Corel Draw) > declare new file format versions, when NECESSARY. > This is normal, programs are developed during a long period > and new funcions come each day. > If somebody says "Microsoft did new DOC format '97, and no > program can read it. It was bad," it is stupid. > Microsoft MUST use new format, since it is the first real unicode, > which is internationally necessary. > ANY software can have newer versions of files, which other programs > can read. This is LIFE! Yes obviously. I didn't say anything different, don't patronise me. BUT the new incompatible files should have been given different extensions. If somebody gives me a .doc file, I don't know if I can read it or not until I waste my time trying. You don't think this situation is bad? Anyway, a well thought-out file format usually shouldn't need to be backwards incompatible. Look at html, for example (Old readers can't interpret new features, but they can properly extract all the useful data they can handle). Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Sep 10 10:23:44 1999 Message-Id: <00e901befb6d$e3ea6930$6c51c29e@inf.upol.cz> From: "Aley Keprt" To: References: Subject: Re: SimCoupe 0.783a - ZIP Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:21:39 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 3257 Lines: 82 > On Fri, 10 Sep 1999, Aley Keprt wrote: > > > I must say again, that I mean internal compression of SAD, > > which won't compile the file header. > > But isn't it easier just to compress the whole thing with zlib? > > > I'm author of SAD, so I think I am allowed to make the > > new version of SAD. SAD has a header, there will be > > version 2 ID-byte, so any program will see it. > > Not so very long ago you were complaining about people making up their own > file formats. > > > ad Microsoft: > > Not only Word, but many other programs (I use e.g. Corel Draw) > > declare new file format versions, when NECESSARY. > > This is normal, programs are developed during a long period > > and new funcions come each day. > > If somebody says "Microsoft did new DOC format '97, and no > > program can read it. It was bad," it is stupid. > > Microsoft MUST use new format, since it is the first real unicode, > > which is internationally necessary. > > ANY software can have newer versions of files, which other programs > > can read. This is LIFE! > > Yes obviously. I didn't say anything different, don't patronise me. > > BUT > > the new incompatible files should have been given different extensions. If > somebody gives me a .doc file, I don't know if I can read it or not until > I waste my time trying. You don't think this situation is bad? > > Anyway, a well thought-out file format usually shouldn't need to be > backwards incompatible. Look at html, for example (Old readers can't > interpret new features, but they can properly extract all the useful data > they can handle). > > Andrew > Okay, you like HTML because it is open? I don't want to make SAD 20times longer (HTML is very long). I want to make a compression. If you don't agree that progress is necessary, and new "things" cannot be used by old "users", I can't discuss with you. If I will make new SAD comaptible with old one (as you mentioned HTML), I can't compress it. Don't you know? ad new fileformats: I really wrote that people whouldn't make new file formats (so often). Look to music modules. There was MOD, then S3M, IT. But there are tens of other silly file formats. I worked on the scene for years and I am confused with it. Making SAD version 2 is necessary, you can't call it "making new file format", but just "fixing bugs in SAD v.1". THe "bug" is the file size. I wrote many times, that I made SAD a long time ago, when there were neither SimCoupe, neither its DSK. Of course, DSK was in Linux, but I didn't know it (nobody knew Linux, when I made SAD). In addition, DSK is not able to handle all Sam disks. SAD can handle more types of Sam disks (I use 84 tracks, which is possible on Linux, but SimCoupe doesn't support 84trk DSK files.) This is my *final* mail to this topic. I don't have enough time to read and answer the same stupid questions ("why have you made SAD") again and again. --- btw. I haven't found that famous ZLIB yet. Where is it available? ---------------------------------------------------------------- Aley [eili] Keprt - student, programmer (multimedia soft. etc.) phone: +420-68-538 70 35 e-mail: AleyKeprt@bigfoot.com *** http://get.to/aley ---------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Sep 10 10:31:14 1999 Message-Id: <00ff01befb6e$2e51f510$6c51c29e@inf.upol.cz> From: "Aley Keprt" To: References: <+7daQNA2OU03EwAF@wholehog.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Sim Coupe : wide spread? II. Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:23:45 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 652 Lines: 23 From: Stuart Brady > On Tue, 31 Aug 1999 Aley Keprt wrote: > > >I am really sorry for this, but > >I must recommend Stuart Brady to shut up. > > I haven't actually made a posting for several weeks, so maybe you should > shut up? > -- > Stuart Brady > Okay, lets shut up together ;-) (I replied your recent mails.) ---------------------------------------------------------------- Aley [eili] Keprt - student, programmer (multimedia soft. etc.) phone: +420-68-538 70 35 e-mail: AleyKeprt@bigfoot.com *** http://get.to/aley ---------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Sep 10 10:42:44 1999 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:41:08 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@red.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SimCoupe 0.783a - ZIP In-Reply-To: <00e901befb6d$e3ea6930$6c51c29e@inf.upol.cz> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1570 Lines: 42 On Fri, 10 Sep 1999, Aley Keprt wrote: > If you don't agree that progress is necessary, and > new "things" cannot be used by old "users", I can't > discuss with you. > > If I will make new SAD comaptible with old one (as you mentioned > HTML), I can't compress it. Don't you know? > > This is my *final* mail to this topic. > I don't have enough time to read and answer the same stupid > questions ("why have you made SAD") again and again. Obviously you haven't been reading the questions so far, because I didn't ask that. I realise that .dsk is limited. And obviously you haven't been reading my answers either, because I've described exactly how and why the .SAD or .DSK files might be compressed internally by SimCoupe and yet remain compatible with earlier versions. Aley, frankly I think you have a real attitude problem. If you don't participate in a sensible discussion then that's fine by me, but I won't have you insulting me even if it turns into a flamewar - Don't ever call me stupid on the basis of things I never said. > --- > btw. I haven't found that famous ZLIB yet. Where is it available? Good grief, man - how hard did you try?? It took me about five seconds to go to Altavista and find this page: http://www.winimage.com/zLibDll/ You can also get ANSI C source if the Win32 .dll version doesn't suit. Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Sep 10 11:43:31 1999 Message-Id: <199909101041.MAA06125@dep.pl.hanze.nl> 10 Sep 99 12:41:56 GMT+1 From: "Edwin Blink" Organization: Hanzehogeschool, Groningen To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:41:37 MET MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Spot the error In-reply-to: <003601befb0a$05680360$64a5fea9@simcooke3> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 874 Lines: 39 > From: "Simon Cooke" > ... this should do it. While you're testing, you may want to do this > instead: ... snap snap ... > OR 96 // mode 4 > OUT (VMPR),A > LD SP,alt.stack > EI // if you have an interrupt routine ... snap snap ... A bit to much C programming. I guess ??? // is used by C for remarks. Comet (and other assemblers) like a ; (semicolon) much more. On Thomas Harte problem. What could be wrong: - the code is not at 32768 or a multiple of 16384 (starting at 65536) - The shift key is faulty ! - You could try this test SCAN: LD A,&FE IN A,($FE) RRA LD A,4 ;Green for no shift JR C,NOSHI ;Red for shift RRCA ;Makes A=2 NOSHI: OUT (&FE),A JR SCAN Edwin BLink. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Sep 10 11:51:23 1999 Message-ID: <002301befb79$a80a1440$64a5fea9@simcooke3> From: "Simon Cooke" To: References: <199909101041.MAA06125@dep.pl.hanze.nl> Subject: Re: Spot the error Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 03:45:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 157 Lines: 8 > A bit to much C programming. I guess ??? You can tell, can't you? :) Though if we're being pedantic, those comment styles are only valid for C++ ;) Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Sep 10 11:57:10 1999 Message-Id: <199909101052.MAA06389@dep.pl.hanze.nl> 10 Sep 99 12:52:57 GMT+1 From: "Edwin Blink" Organization: Hanzehogeschool, Groningen To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:52:34 MET MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: New hardware for SAM In-reply-to: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 149 Lines: 8 > From: Jarek Adamski I'd go for: > 7. 28MHz CPU (Shared 4MB+ RAM with SAM ???) > 5. Interlacer Edwin Blink From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Sep 10 12:08:18 1999 Message-Id: <199909101058.MAA06504@dep.pl.hanze.nl> 10 Sep 99 12:58:07 GMT+1 From: "Edwin Blink" Organization: Hanzehogeschool, Groningen To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:57:34 MET MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Atom Interface X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 180 Lines: 7 How much interest is there to build the Atom dard disk interface. I'm planning to make a nice and clear gif shematic and put it online. If there is enough interest. Edwin Blink From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Sep 10 12:19:54 1999 Subject: Re: Atom Interface To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:16:47 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <199909101058.MAA06504@dep.pl.hanze.nl> from "Edwin Blink" at Sep 10, 99 12:57:34 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Gale X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 248 Lines: 9 > How much interest is there to build the Atom dard disk interface. > > I'm planning to make a nice and clear gif shematic and put it online. > If there is enough interest. > Lots, I should think! I definitely would like to, so yes please! Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Sep 10 15:04:23 1999 From: "Paul Walker" Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:59:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: SimCoupe/DOS Message-ID: In-reply-to: <00a301befb60$19025cd0$6c51c29e@inf.upol.cz> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) X-Hops: 1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id PAA08442 Status: RO Content-Length: 977 Lines: 25 > > > You did realise that the SimCoupé DOS releases from Aley only contain as > > > much source as has been changed since the last Allan Skillman release > > > (SimCoup078_DOS.zip I think)? > > This was trying to compile *Allan's* release, not Aley's. :-) > This was a joke? > Why does somebody want to compile old version of SimCoupe? Because I cannot find up-to-date source. This is why I'm asking you for a complete set of source files. It will take you, what, 10 seconds to produce? (zip -9 -R simcsrc.zip *.c *.h *.inc) > As I wrote, I can send the missing files. > But I can serve only with the latest SimCoupe version (0.783a2). See, I can't even find a zip file of 783a2. The latest I can locate is a1. Where do you upload these things, and can I suggest ftp.nvg.ntnu.no in future? -- Paul As the flatulent skunk of time wanders into the air conditioning unit of eternity, and the piranha of fate circles in the bidet of destiny... -- I have no idea! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Sep 10 15:04:24 1999 From: "Paul Walker" Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:13:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: SimCoupe 0.783a - ZIP Message-ID: In-reply-to: <00e901befb6d$e3ea6930$6c51c29e@inf.upol.cz> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) X-Hops: 1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 447 Lines: 13 > btw. I haven't found that famous ZLIB yet. Where is it available? The zlib home page is http://www.cdrom.com/pub/infozip/zlib/ The official zlib ftp site is ftp://ftp.cdrom.com/pub/infozip/zlib/ -- Paul Of course Wales has the ability to govern itself, any country has, and Wales has more intelligence and integrity per square metre than many others. WHO THE HELL IS PUTTING IT ABOUT THAT WE CAN'T??? -- Dave Thomas in soc.culture.welsh From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Sep 10 16:17:50 1999 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:44:23 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@red.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SimCoupe/DOS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 563 Lines: 20 On Fri, 10 Sep 1999, Paul Walker wrote: > -- > Paul > > As the flatulent skunk of time wanders into the air conditioning unit of > eternity, and the piranha of fate circles in the bidet of destiny... > -- I have no idea! Maybe I've missed the entire joke here, but don't you mean: > -- I'm Sorry I Haven't A Clue ? Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Sep 10 18:18:23 1999 Message-ID: <37D93C79.3850@clara.net> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:14:33 +0100 From: Gordon Wallis Organization: HEXdidn't... X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Atom Interface References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 569 Lines: 19 Andrew Gale wrote: > > How much interest is there to build the Atom dard disk interface. > > > > I'm planning to make a nice and clear gif shematic and put it online. > > If there is enough interest. > > > > Lots, I should think! I definitely would like to, so yes please! > Seconded! (not that I'm likely to build one...) Gord. -- < The HEXdidn't... Homepage: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < ------ Featuring The U.K. Policenauts Homepage ------ > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< http://www.hexdidnt.clara.net > \---------- AOL Instant Messenger: 'hexdidnt' ----------/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Sep 10 18:25:09 1999 Message-ID: <37D93D1F.1C38@clara.net> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:17:19 +0100 From: Gordon Wallis Organization: HEXdidn't... X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAMDSK - a testimony References: <37D6AE11.2103@clara.net> <004b01befa33$f24903a0$2b2a883e@atlantic> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 674 Lines: 18 Dave Hooper wrote: > It's been a while since I wrote that so, to be honest, I really can't answer > any questions about error messages, bugs, or features! > I only wrote it because (a) loads of people couldn't get Mat's Samdisk > program to work on their PC and (b) nor could I. > I suppose it doesn't really matter. The important thing is that SAMDSK does work, and I for one am very grateful to you, you star chappie! Thanks, Gord. -- < The HEXdidn't... Homepage: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < ------ Featuring The U.K. Policenauts Homepage ------ > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< http://www.hexdidnt.clara.net > \---------- AOL Instant Messenger: 'hexdidnt' ----------/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Sep 10 20:43:50 1999 From: Jarek Adamski To: All Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:55:50 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00d301bef978$668163a0$64a5fea9@simcooke3> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: PF "NABLA" Subject: Re: New hardware for SAM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 3828 Lines: 116 Simon Cooke wrote: > We had a prototype that ran at 12MHz with an overclocked > Z80... and discovered that you'd need to have some glue > (probably a finite state machine) in the middle that marshals > memory and IO transactions over to the internal memory. I know this. The CPU must have its own fast memory. > Or possibly not; the Z380 (which is what I presume you're > thinking of using) has different wait-state logic, and can > hang on a half-clock if you need it to, so it might not be an > issue. I think fast SRAM will be used as base memory. All the SAM internal memory will be probably write-only with kind of FIFO buffer. The reads will be from fast shadow memory. David L wrote: >> 1. 4MB SIMM - 1/3 > Agreed. What types of Simms are u thinking off? EDO is getting > scarecer. Perhaps EDO, perhaps not. I must try. I don't expect much difference in standard simple access. I have 1MB SIMM now and I still have to find the socket for it. I have a lot of sockets for short SIMMs, but I didn't make the extention some years ago, so they seem to be useless now. And I still don't know how the original extention works. >> 2. ZX128 emul - 1/3 > Nope - not as much point. However, if you're talking about a > parallel processor...? Yes, second CPU. Probably Z80C at 3.56/10MHz. >> 4. ISA cross - 0/3 > Interesting. But not so easy getting of ISA hardware these > days You should search at the attic. This is only for things like: COMs (also internal modems), LPTs and FDC. There is also access to HDC, but you lose half of harddisk (no matter if you have 4GB anyway). >> 7. 28MHz CPU - 0/0 > Yes please - if u can master that one!! All I know now is the existence of such CPU. > You & Gordon where discussing MSX hardware not so long ago.... > there is an MSX graphics board (Gordon will know the name!) > which adds a lot of nice extra facilities.... could it be > adapted to work? Yes, I can do everything, but only with some help. How many people will have this card? Or better I should start design of new computer apart the SAM? There will be only extention board with socket for ASIC to get SAM compatibility? Justin Skists wrote: >> 3. DMA - 0/3 >> 7. 28MHz CPU - 0/0 > I vote for these two (on one board?)!!!! It would be hard to have them on one board. DMA (limited to 10MHz for Z80C family) with the 28MHz CPU will not help much. So DMA will work for memory of SAM, while the 28MHz CPU needs its own separate memory to work at full speed. And it is very likely I will make DMA as internal version. To solder over the existing Z80 or to put into the Z80 socket and under the Z80. Gordon Wallis wrote: > But, then, I don't really understand techy stuff like DMA and > ISA. In simplification DMA is hardware that copies memory faster than the CPU can, in theory 8 times. ISA is the cheapest way to get two serial serial ports and one parellel port. Also modem can be connected. Since you have ATOM and 2MB dive, other features won't be very useful for you. > Although a more direct 128K emulator sounds good, I'd prefer > some _new_ games ;-) Well, I can make only the former. :-( By the way, are there SAM versions of Doom, Worms and Mortal Combat? I have seen them on ZX128 already. The present voting is: 7. 28MHz CPU - 6/0 3. DMA - 3/1 5. Interlacer - 2/1 1. 4MB SIMM - 1/1 2. ZX128 emul - 1/1 6. Amiga HDFDD - 1/0 4. ISA cross - 0/1 Number of voters: 9 (2 votes to one thing, 1 invalid) Because the 28MHz CPU is large project that requires a lot of time to be made, I decided to finish DMA project first. From this voting, the speed is main direction and the DMA follows it. I have at home only the Z80A DMA and I try to connect it soon. To make external version I would need SAMBUS. Where can I get one from? -- Yarek. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Sep 10 23:38:01 1999 Message-ID: <37D987E1.7976C70D@bonbon.net> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:36:17 +0100 From: Martin Fitzpatrick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SimCoupe 0.783a - ZIP References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1552 Lines: 41 Andrew Collier wrote: > > BUT > > the new incompatible files should have been given different extensions. If > somebody gives me a .doc file, I don't know if I can read it or not until > I waste my time trying. You don't think this situation is bad? But the difference with the SAD (v2) is its just compressed inside, so whats the problem? Either get the latest version of software which deals with SAD2, or get a program (which Aley mentioned!?) to convert between them if its a problem. Its hardly a big deal. There aren't that many characters available for the end of filenames anyway, if your going to be dos compatible you've got 3... If the file mentions in the header what version it is, its fine - ok, very old software might choke, but then you could just run all sads through a converter (which being new would know that there were two versions and only convert as neccessary)... > Anyway, a well thought-out file format usually shouldn't need to be > backwards incompatible. Look at html, for example (Old readers can't > interpret new features, but they can properly extract all the useful data > they can handle). If its compressed how could a reader "properly extract all the useful data"? It doesn't realise its compressed. As Aley says, the file has a header, if the programs using the file are written properly, they'll check this header and only open files they know. If it doesn't work its the programs that are at fault not the file format. Fitz -- Email: poohsticks@bonbon.net ICQ#: 11077801 AOL/CServeIM: Flupert From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Sep 10 23:58:12 1999 Message-ID: <37D98A86.9731923B@bonbon.net> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:47:34 +0100 From: Martin Fitzpatrick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: New hardware for SAM References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2556 Lines: 73 Jarek Adamski wrote: > > >> 1. 4MB SIMM - 1/3 > > Agreed. What types of Simms are u thinking off? EDO is getting > > scarecer. > Perhaps EDO, perhaps not. I must try. I don't expect much > difference in standard simple access. I have 1MB SIMM now and I > still have to find the socket for it. I have a lot of sockets > for short SIMMs, but I didn't make the extention some years ago, > so they seem to be useless now. And I still don't know how the > original extention works. Well I've got a spare 4MB SIMM here if you want that... I just yanked it out of an old 486SX33 (really past its best I thought)... The sockets are in there two, if you want em?? (if you're talking about the small black things :o>) > >> 4. ISA cross - 0/3 > > Interesting. But not so easy getting of ISA hardware these > > days > You should search at the attic. This is only for things like: > COMs (also internal modems), LPTs and FDC. There is also access > to HDC, but you lose half of harddisk (no matter if you have > 4GB anyway). Again I've got the bits if you're ever runnning low. My life seems to be terminally surrounded by bits of decaying computers. > How many people will have this card? Or better I should start > design of new computer apart the SAM? There will be only > extention board with socket for ASIC to get SAM compatibility? Might make more sense??... I mean, if you're going to be overriding all the other bits of the board. And I suppose this way you can plug it all into a nice tower case (with the neccessary blue feet (though mine were black :o<))... I'd have one, just for the novelty of having another weird computer to slot scraps of stuff into. And I'd be far more likely to program something :o) > > Although a more direct 128K emulator sounds good, I'd prefer > > some _new_ games ;-) > Well, I can make only the former. :-( By the way, are there SAM > versions of Doom, Worms and Mortal Combat? I have seen them on > ZX128 already. Doom?? On a Spectrum?... What an odd thought... "AAAAAAAAAargh a large blob of red is coming at me... Oh, that was *my* gun" :)... Ahh, them were the days... > The present voting is: > > 7. 28MHz CPU - 6/0 > 3. DMA - 3/1 > 5. Interlacer - 2/1 > 1. 4MB SIMM - 1/1 > 2. ZX128 emul - 1/1 > 6. Amiga HDFDD - 1/0 > 4. ISA cross - 0/1 I'd add 1 to everthing... except perhaps ZX128 emul, or maybe that would be nice. Just.. basically. Speed, Speed, Memory and Speed. See ya, Fitz -- Email: poohsticks@bonbon.net ICQ#: 11077801 AOL/CServeIM: Flupert From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Sep 10 23:58:12 1999 Message-ID: <37D98AB4.10D3E5D2@bonbon.net> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:48:20 +0100 From: Martin Fitzpatrick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Atom Interface References: <37D93C79.3850@clara.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 553 Lines: 25 Gordon Wallis wrote: > > Andrew Gale wrote: > > > How much interest is there to build the Atom dard disk interface. > > > > > > I'm planning to make a nice and clear gif shematic and put it online. > > > If there is enough interest. > > > > > > > Lots, I should think! I definitely would like to, so yes please! > > > Seconded! > (not that I'm likely to build one...) Yay... Me too, me too.... Something else to add to my giant list of "things to get around to doing" Fitz :) -- Email: poohsticks@bonbon.net ICQ#: 11077801 AOL/CServeIM: Flupert From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Sep 11 00:19:34 1999 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:26:54 +0000 (GMT) From: Paul Walker To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SimCoupe/DOS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 599 Lines: 18 On Fri, 10 Sep 1999, Andrew Collier wrote: > > As the flatulent skunk of time wanders into the air conditioning unit of > > eternity, and the piranha of fate circles in the bidet of destiny... > > -- I have no idea! > Maybe I've missed the entire joke here, but don't you mean: > > -- I'm Sorry I Haven't A Clue Possibly. Is there where it came from? :-) Reasoning: at the bottom of all the quotes, if I know where they came from it's attributed, -- . Hadn't a clue where that one came from, so, er.. you get the idea. I'm suspecting Robert Rankin or similar, but unsure. -- Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Sep 11 01:10:03 1999 Message-ID: <011201befbe1$4fa0bc60$d7837ed4@persona> From: "David L" To: References: Subject: Re: New hardware for SAM Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:07:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 496 Lines: 12 ----- Original Message ----- From: Jarek Adamski To: All Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 12:55 PM Subject: Re: New hardware for SAM > How many people will have this card? Or better I should start > design of new computer apart the SAM? There will be only > extention board with socket for ASIC to get SAM compatibility? It's an ambitious idea.... but it's got to succeed with the bunch of people here... including me! Has it much of a chance? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Sep 11 01:16:18 1999 Message-ID: <012001befbe2$3c315800$d7837ed4@persona> From: "David L" To: References: <37D98A86.9731923B@bonbon.net> Subject: Re: New hardware for SAM Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:14:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 472 Lines: 15 ----- Original Message ----- From: Martin Fitzpatrick To: Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 11:47 PM Subject: Re: New hardware for SAM > Doom?? On a Spectrum?... What an odd thought... "AAAAAAAAAargh a large > blob of red is coming at me... Oh, that was *my* gun" :)... Ahh, them > were the days... Yeah! It's not at all bad! (Within limits!) But needs x128 to run as it needs to Emulate one of the "Russian" Spectrums From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Sep 11 16:17:28 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop3.house Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 10:31:48 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: SimCoupe/DOS X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 701 Lines: 21 >On Fri, 10 Sep 1999, Andrew Collier wrote: > >> > As the flatulent skunk of time wanders into the air conditioning unit of >> > eternity, and the piranha of fate circles in the bidet of destiny... >> > -- I have no idea! >> Maybe I've missed the entire joke here, but don't you mean: >> > -- I'm Sorry I Haven't A Clue > >Possibly. Is there where it came from? :-) I expect so. It's exactly the sort of thing which Humph would say at the end of an episode... Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Sep 11 22:04:08 1999 Message-ID: <37DAC38C.67063D42@btinternet.com> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 22:03:08 +0100 From: Thomas Harte X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-* MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SAM Mailing List Subject: The SCART socket Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 239 Lines: 5 Is there anything special about the SCART socket that makes it not a normal SCART socket? I've tried connecting it up to a few devices (TVs and videos), but it only seems to produce a blank, black screen. Maybe mine is broken? -Thomas From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Sep 11 23:01:55 1999 Message-ID: <37DAD18F.791EA68D@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 23:02:55 +0100 From: Martin Wilson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: The SCART socket References: <37DAC38C.67063D42@btinternet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 607 Lines: 15 Thomas Harte wrote: > > Is there anything special about the SCART socket that makes it not a normal > SCART socket? I've tried connecting it up to a few devices (TVs and videos), > but it only seems to produce a blank, black screen. Maybe mine is broken? > > -Thomas I'm pretty damn sure from memory it is non standard. There may be one or two signals in the right place but basically it ain't wired right. For a start I think there's both analogue and TTL RGB present where as a real scart connector would only have analogue. So in summary you'll need to do a bit of rewiring. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Sep 12 11:34:19 1999 From: davgw@clara.co.uk (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: The SCART socket Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 10:33:04 GMT Message-ID: <37db80c6.316981@relay.clara.net> References: <37DAC38C.67063D42@btinternet.com> <37DAD18F.791EA68D@ukonline.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <37DAD18F.791EA68D@ukonline.co.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 208 Lines: 6 There used to be loads of info about things like SCART in ye olde Sam Supplement. I wonder if Dave Tonks would have any objections to the lot going up on nvg? Is anyone in contact with him these days? Dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Sep 12 13:02:05 1999 From: "Johnna Teare" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 13:07:58 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: The SCART socket In-reply-to: <37db80c6.316981@relay.clara.net> References: <37DAD18F.791EA68D@ukonline.co.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 558 Lines: 21 On 12 Sep 99, at 10:33, Dave Whitmore wrote: > > There used to be loads of info about things like SCART in ye olde Sam > Supplement. I wonder if Dave Tonks would have any objections to the lot > going up on nvg? Is anyone in contact with him these days? Didn't they have a website as one point? Can't remember if there were any issues up there though...but I seem to remember visitng it... > > Dave > Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Sep 12 15:11:44 1999 Message-ID: <37DBB356.6440@clara.net> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 15:06:14 +0100 From: Gordon Wallis Organization: HEXdidn't... X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Sam versions of Speccy games? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 628 Lines: 15 Did someone on this list mention at some point in the distant past that there were Sam versions of Pang and Rock Star Ate My Hamster? I'm not sure where I got the idea if not from this mailing list... I only ask 'cos I'ev been playing both on a PC Spectrum emulator, and kept thinking "This could be done quite well on the Sam..." Probably just more wishful thinking on my part, eh? Gord. -- < The HEXdidn't... Homepage: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < ------ Featuring The U.K. Policenauts Homepage ------ > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< http://www.hexdidnt.clara.net > \---------- AOL Instant Messenger: 'hexdidnt' ----------/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Sep 12 16:04:49 1999 From: "Will Easson" To: Subject: RE: The SCART socket Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 16:05:07 +0100 Message-ID: <001a01befd30$33903960$7b87fea9@lucifer4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1817 Lines: 52 I once used the SCART socket for sound output, since at the time my soldering of DIN plugs was shite and the solder never held very long. Problem solved when I wired up a SCART plug with both monitor outs and sound going to a battery (later mains) powered amp, and thence to stereo speakers. Yes, it was non-standard. I don't know why. Then again, I don't know why most things Speccy/SAM were non-standard (like 3inch discs on the +3..! soon sorted that out with a 3.5incher! joystick port... printer not outputting colour codes properly... etc). Will ****************************************************************** William Easson BVMS MRCVS, Veterinary Surgeon willvet@exoticsvet.com http://www.exoticsvet.com Currently at DeVille and Woolliscroft, Sherwood, Nottingham, UK. Moving to Ashfield House Vet Hospital, Long Eaton, Nottingham, UK. Member of ARAV, AAV, BVZS, BVA, BSAVA. Fax UK: 0870 088 3870 USA: (603) 687 2978 ****************************************************************** > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no [mailto:owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no]On > Behalf Of Johnna Teare > Sent: 12 September 1999 14:08 > To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Subject: Re: The SCART socket > > > > > On 12 Sep 99, at 10:33, Dave Whitmore wrote: > > > > > There used to be loads of info about things like SCART in ye olde Sam > > Supplement. I wonder if Dave Tonks would have any objections to the lot > > going up on nvg? Is anyone in contact with him these days? > > Didn't they have a website as one point? Can't remember if there > were any issues up there though...but I seem to remember visitng > it... > > > > Dave > > > > > Peace, Love and Kisses, > JohnnaPig Teare > http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk > "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Sep 12 16:09:50 1999 From: "Will Easson" To: Subject: RE: The SCART socket Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 16:08:55 +0100 Message-ID: <001b01befd30$bb192f40$7b87fea9@lucifer4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 402 Lines: 11 Sorry - typo.... > I once used the SCART socket for sound output, since at the time my > soldering of DIN plugs was shite and the solder never held very long. > Problem solved when I wired up a SCART plug with both monitor outs > and sound going to a battery (later mains) powered amp, and thence to > stereo speakers. It was just the sound going to the amp, not the monitor outs as well! Will From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Sep 12 16:16:43 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop3.house Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <37DBB356.6440@clara.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 15:29:16 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Sam versions of Speccy games? X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 534 Lines: 15 >Did someone on this list mention at some point in the distant past that >there were Sam versions of Pang and Rock Star Ate My Hamster? Stefan Drissen was reported to be working on a Sam version of Pang at one point, but as far as I'm aware neither of those two games actually exist for the Sam. Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Sep 12 16:20:25 1999 Message-ID: <001301befd32$017835c0$ac86883e@sadsnail> From: "Tim" To: References: <37DAC38C.67063D42@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: The SCART socket Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 16:16:38 +0100 Organization: Sad Snail Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 727 Lines: 33 > Is there anything special about the SCART socket that makes it not a normal > SCART socket? I've tried connecting it up to a few devices (TVs and videos), > but it only seems to produce a blank, black screen. Maybe mine is broken? Non-Standard. The connections are in the Sam User Guide. For reference though, the following is taken from the Users Guide. It numbered the pins and I assume they are standard numbers. 8 Core wire with Screen SAM TV 1 2 RCHAN 3 6 LCHAN 4 4 AUDIO EARTH 7 7 BLUE 11 11 GREEN 14 14 CSGND???? 15 15 RED 16 16&20 CSYNC 21 21 EARTH (screen) If you can't get hold of a cable, that might be of use to someone who can make you one up. E&OE HTH, Tim From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Sep 12 19:50:20 1999 Message-ID: <37DBE543.DAA18617@btinternet.com> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:39:15 +0100 From: Thomas Harte X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-* MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: The SCART socket References: <37DAC38C.67063D42@btinternet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 336 Lines: 9 Just to say thanks for everyone who posted follow ups. Using the relevant information I've been able to use a regular scart to scart and snip enough of the 'un-necessary' wires to create a fully working lead! I'm probably now only using the composite signal, but if it gets the picture to my TV, I'm not bothered. Thanks. -Thomas From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Sep 12 20:22:01 1999 From: with SMTP id <0FHY009UHO9MUF@olive.uk.pw.com> for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 20:17:46 +0100 (BST) intleursmtp10.uk.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 802567EA.006A12C1 ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 20:18:36 +0100 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:14:44 +0200 Subject: Re: Sam versions of Speccy games? To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Message-id: <802567EA.0069DF33.00@intleursmtp10.uk.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L NL@C&L INT@INTL X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1470 Lines: 36 Andrew wrote: >>Did someone on this list mention at some point in the distant past that >>there were Sam versions of Pang and Rock Star Ate My Hamster? > >Stefan Drissen was reported to be working on a Sam version of Pang at one >point, but as far as I'm aware neither of those two games actually exist >for the Sam. I'd disassassembled the spectrum version and had it up and running as a Comet file. I hacked this so that it would work on the SAM (getting round the 128k bank switching and emulating the AY). Steve Pick did some wonderful graphics for the player sprites, title screen, world screen and first level. Stefan couldn't decide on how to go about doing the conversion - a SAM version would need to be built up from it's own graphics engine, putting the game engine in afterwards. Unlike Sophistry in which I could just change the graphics bits to cope with mode 4. But then it was time for a job in the real world.... Sorry folks. Stefan ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Sep 12 23:01:40 1999 via SMTP by mailserv.caiw.nl, id smtpdAAAa19511; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 16:25:44 +0200 Message-ID: <007c01befd2a$7f9864a0$055c88d4@oemcomputer> From: "Robert van der Veeke" To: References: <37DBB356.6440@clara.net> Subject: Re: Sam versions of Speccy games? Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 16:24:17 +0200 Organization: RJV graphics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 665 Lines: 22 ----- Original Message ----- From: Gordon Wallis To: Sent: Sunday, September 12, 1999 4:06 PM Subject: Sam versions of Speccy games? > Did someone on this list mention at some point in the distant past that > there were Sam versions of Pang and Rock Star Ate My Hamster? Pang was (maybe still is) a project started a very long time ago by Stefan Drissen and Steve "Pikasso" Pick. > Probably just more wishful thinking on my part, eh? yes it is. ^_^ Robert van der Veeke aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Currently listening to : Card Captor Sakura - OST The trick to walking upright is not to use your knuckles From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Sep 13 09:37:05 1999 Message-ID: <006601befdc2$caabebe0$02611c26@simcooke3> From: "Simon Cooke" To: References: <802567EA.0069DF33.00@intleursmtp10.uk.pw.com> Subject: Re: Sam versions of Speccy games? Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 01:34:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 492 Lines: 14 > Stefan couldn't decide on how to go about doing the conversion - a SAM > version would need to be built up from it's own graphics engine, > putting the game engine in afterwards. Unlike Sophistry in which I could > just change the graphics bits to cope with mode 4. > But then it was time for a job in the real world.... Yay! Stefan's ALIVE!!! :) Good to hear from you again man... ... so... when is everyone coming out to Seattle? :) Hold The Handrail, Have Another Nice Drinky Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Sep 13 13:33:15 1999 From: "Si Owen" To: Subject: Defender on SimCoupe (Was: Defender Source Code) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:25:27 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <000201bef7ce$9def9380$0ac348c2@chris--pc.> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2553 Lines: 48 Chris Pile wrote: > For those interested I have made the Defender source code available. > > http://homepages.enterprise.net/pegasus/defender I've only just got around to playing this - it's a superb port! I think a few of us will pay you back in beer or something :-) The difficulty is very authentic too as I've yet to get past the 2nd wave! We're you one of those people that could spend hours playing a single game?? I think I've tracked down some of the problems with it running under SimCoupe... I experienced the same running fast and slow when down to the last few landers. Seems to be to do with instruction timing, as after I added an approximate form of memory contention(*) and it seems to be fine now. I'm guessing it normally runs at 25fps, so the uncontended timings meant it could manage a frame in under 1/50th when there wasn't so much to do. Manic Miner doesn't seem to have much in the way of frame synchronisation and seemed to run too fast on SimCoupe, but the memory contention seem to bring it back to a normal speed, and even stabilise the border effect in the Cold Store! Your 'anti-emulation' code almost ran correctly because I've already implemented Ian Collier's 20us interrupt time, 17us of which it's visible on the status port. The value of IX after your timing loop was either 0xc0c0 (correct) or 0xc8c8, so it sometimes started the game ok! The fix for this was to re-align the LineCycleCounter value to the end of the line when it reached the end of the display, meaning the new frame always started with at the start of the first display line - sorta cheating but forgivable I hope! The 'fix' might also make other timing sensitive video effects a little more stable, but I've yet to try any. If only I could stop myself getting distracted by minor (but worthwhile, I suppose) details I might even get the Win32 to a releasable state. I seem to have a bad habit of chipping away at lots of bits instead of concentrating on each one and finishing them off. *sigh* Si ICQ: 9769343, Homepage: http://www.obobo.demon.co.uk/ (*) No contention when display is disabled (modes 3 and 4 only), or when outside the main 192 lines of the screen in modes 2, 3 and 4. It doesn't take into account the speed-up in the border areas of the main screen, but that doesn't affect most things and can be added in the future. Uncontended timings use the documented instruction timing, and contended timings use a rough formula of "((tstates + 7) & -7) - 1" (!) to give 8 t-state rounding. It's a start anyway... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Sep 13 13:33:15 1999 From: "Si Owen" To: Subject: Lost SAM mailing list messages Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:26:36 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <000201bef7ce$9def9380$0ac348c2@chris--pc.> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 613 Lines: 14 Are there any other Outlook users (not Outlook express) that subscribe to this list? When re-nstalling NT over the top of itself, it deleted my 200MB OUTLOOK.PST file from the Windows\Profiles branch. Fortunately I had a backup from a month before, so I've not lost everything. I'm looking to get back the messages between Friday 30th July and Friday 3rd September. The messages can be exported to a .pst file by either copying them to a sub-folder and exporting that, or using a date filter on the export. A zipped version of the .pst file shouldn't be too big hopefully! Can anyone help me with this? Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Sep 13 13:51:47 1999 From: Frode Tenneboe Message-Id: <199909131238.OAA04610@asmal.edh.ericsson.se> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:38:14 +0200 (MET DST) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Lost SAM mailing list messages In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.3.4-990530-sol MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id NAA14105 Status: RO Content-Length: 1032 Lines: 24 "Si Owen" wrote: > Are there any other Outlook users (not Outlook express) that subscribe to > this list? > > When re-nstalling NT over the top of itself, it deleted my 200MB OUTLOOK.PST > file from the Windows\Profiles branch. Fortunately I had a backup from a > month before, so I've not lost everything. I'm looking to get back the > messages between Friday 30th July and Friday 3rd September. The messages > can be exported to a .pst file by either copying them to a sub-folder and > exporting that, or using a date filter on the export. A zipped version of > the .pst file shouldn't be too big hopefully! > > Can anyone help me with this? I could provide you with the raw mail, but not in outlook format. -Frode -- ^ Frode Tennebø | email: ft@edh.ericsson.se ^ | Ericsson Radar AS. | Isebakkeveien 49 | | Phone: +47 69 21 41 47 | N-1788 Halden | | with Standard.Disclaimer; use Standard.Disclaimer; | From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Sep 13 13:51:47 1999 From: "Will Easson" To: Subject: RE: Lost SAM mailing list messages Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:44:39 +0100 Message-ID: <001501befde5$be35fd60$850efea9@lucifer4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1375 Lines: 37 I use Outlook 98 on a Win98 PC. That any use? Will ****************************************************************** William Easson BVMS MRCVS, Veterinary Surgeon willvet@exoticsvet.com http://www.exoticsvet.com Currently at DeVille and Woolliscroft, Sherwood, Nottingham, UK. Moving to Ashfield House Vet Hospital, Long Eaton, Nottingham, UK. Member of ARAV, AAV, BVZS, BVA, BSAVA. Fax UK: 0870 088 3870 USA: (603) 687 2978 ****************************************************************** > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no [mailto:owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no]On > Behalf Of Si Owen > Sent: 13 September 1999 13:27 > To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Subject: Lost SAM mailing list messages > > > Are there any other Outlook users (not Outlook express) that subscribe to > this list? > > When re-nstalling NT over the top of itself, it deleted my 200MB OUTLOOK.PST > file from the Windows\Profiles branch. Fortunately I had a backup from a > month before, so I've not lost everything. I'm looking to get back the > messages between Friday 30th July and Friday 3rd September. The messages > can be exported to a .pst file by either copying them to a sub-folder and > exporting that, or using a date filter on the export. A zipped version of > the .pst file shouldn't be too big hopefully! > > Can anyone help me with this? > > Si > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Sep 13 14:21:46 1999 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:13:50 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@orange.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Defender on SimCoupe (Was: Defender Source Code) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2453 Lines: 50 On Mon, 13 Sep 1999, Si Owen wrote: > (*) No contention when display is disabled (modes 3 and 4 only), or when Do you also ensure that the screen is black when the display is disabled? Some of my code relies on this for cosmetic effect - ie, cleaning up pixels which couldn't be modified in time. I think ESI's The Lyra 3 does this too. > outside the main 192 lines of the screen in modes 2, 3 and 4. It doesn't > take into account the speed-up in the border areas of the main screen, but > that doesn't affect most things and can be added in the future. Uncontended > timings use the documented instruction timing, and contended timings use a > rough formula of "((tstates + 7) & -7) - 1" (!) to give 8 t-state rounding. > It's a start anyway... I suspect it may well be easier and probably more accurate to hard-wire all the instruction times up to the nearest 4 (more accurate than the standard timings because instruction reads always occur at 4 t-state boundaries, even when the processor is running in uncontended RAM.[1]) Then you can just double that timing for contended memory, which will be accurate except for a few special cases such as INC rr (You'd probably want to implement uncontended running in the border before worrying about those, either). This is assuming you're referring to t-states as real clock cycle t-states, rather than the slightly more abstract "useful t-state" which can vary between one and two clock cycles, but is often used because instructions will then appear to be the usual length... It would be interesting to see how your modified timing code copes with my second E-Tunes player (Fred 63 onwards, or from http://mnemotech.ucam.org/mnemotech.html) The problem there is that a lot of line interrupt routines are involved in displaying the scrolling message - in current versions of SimCoupe the processing for one line takes too long, and the code misses the following line's interrupt, so has to wait for that during the next frame. The message is sixteen pixels high, so this actually causes the program to run at one sixteenth of the proper speed. Andrew [1] Running from ROM or external RAM will be different, of course, but that is probably of secondary importance? -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Sep 13 15:50:29 1999 From: "Si Owen" To: Subject: Re: Lost SAM mailing list messages Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:47:58 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <001501befde5$be35fd60$850efea9@lucifer4> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 471 Lines: 17 Will Easson wrote: > I use Outlook 98 on a Win98 PC. That any use? Yeah, that'd be great! I'm using Outlook 2000, but the .pst file will be compatible. I'll e-mail you directly about it... (Thanks for the offer too Frode!) > Currently at DeVille and Woolliscroft, Sherwood, Nottingham, UK. > Moving to Ashfield House Vet Hospital, Long Eaton, Nottingham, UK. Ooo, just down the road - I'm in Wollaton :-) Si ICQ: 9769343, Homepage: http://www.obobo.demon.co.uk/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Sep 13 19:00:24 1999 Message-ID: <000201befe0e$f1548d00$59c348c2@chris--pc.> From: "Chris Pile" To: "Sam Users Group" Subject: Re: Defender on SimCoupe (Was: Defender Source Code) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:35:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1987 Lines: 43 -----Original Message----- From: Si Owen To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: 13 September 1999 13:34 Subject: Defender on SimCoupe (Was: Defender Source Code) >I've only just got around to playing this - it's a superb port! I think a >few of us will pay you back in beer or something :-) ;-) Thanks, I'm glad you like it! >The difficulty is very authentic too as I've yet to get past the 2nd wave! >We're you one of those people that could spend hours playing a single game?? Er, 'fraid not! I was pretty hopeless at the arcade original. I wasn't too bad at that other classic '80's William's shooter... The masterpiece that is Robotron 2084! Yes, I've already thought about a port!! Trouble is, the original had a blitter and I don't think the SAM has nearly enough horespower to pull a decent version of this one off. >I think I've tracked down some of the problems with it running under >SimCoupe... I experienced the same running fast and slow when down to the >last few landers. That's horrible, isn't it! >Seems to be to do with instruction timing, as after I added an approximate form of memory >contention(*) and it seems to be fine now. I'm guessing it normally runs at 25fps, so the uncontended >timings meant it could manage a frame in under 1/50th when there wasn't so much to do. Ah, you might have a problem here as it normally runs at 1/50th on a real SAM... 25fps would have been sacrilege to the original. ;-) The struggle to keep the game at a constant 50fps was one of the main reasons for the strange 'have I missed a frame' code. >If only I could stop myself getting distracted by minor (but worthwhile, I >suppose) details I might even get the Win32 to a releasable state. I seem >to have a bad habit of chipping away at lots of bits instead of >concentrating on each one and finishing them off. *sigh* I'll be great when you finish it, hopefully with decent sound and a VSync option!! :-) Chris. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Sep 14 23:11:26 1999 Message-ID: <008a01befefd$ab1650e0$3b611c26@simcooke3> From: "Simon Cooke" To: "samusers" Subject: Way back in the mists of time... Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:08:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 312 Lines: 12 ... Dan Doore asked me for a SAM Coupe logo that'd look good on black. So here you go :) http://home.earthlink.net/~simoncooke/samcoupe/blackbg.htm BTW: My homepage is back... http://home.earthlink.net/~simoncooke... and there will be a mirror soon on http://www.getwired.com/simon (But not for a while) Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Sep 15 09:37:29 1999 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:35:16 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@red.csi.cam.ac.uk To: samusers Subject: Re: Way back in the mists of time... In-Reply-To: <008a01befefd$ab1650e0$3b611c26@simcooke3> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 681 Lines: 19 On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, Simon Cooke wrote: > BTW: My homepage is back... http://home.earthlink.net/~simoncooke... and Hurrah! The neon-effect logos look excellent, by the way! Your Mnemotech link is hopelessly out of date though :) Andrew PS. Just to make sure that the information content of this email isn't actually zero, I'd better just mention the fact that I've uploaded a map of the Fred game 'Momentum' to http://mnemotech.ucam.org/mmap.html -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Sep 15 09:53:19 1999 Message-ID: <002601beff57$70ceef00$64a5fea9@simcooke3> From: "Simon Cooke" To: References: Subject: Re: Way back in the mists of time... Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 01:50:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 332 Lines: 11 > > BTW: My homepage is back... http://home.earthlink.net/~simoncooke... and > > Hurrah! The neon-effect logos look excellent, by the way! Thanks :) Glad you like them... they may need more tweaking though ;) > Your Mnemotech link is hopelessly out of date though :) Fixed - next time I upload my site, it'll be done :) Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Sep 15 20:22:25 1999 From: Jarek Adamski To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 20:08:44 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: PF "NABLA" Subject: ZXVGS 0.18 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 139 Lines: 7 Hi! There is new ZXVGS desciption (0.29) concerning ZXVGS 0.18 in: file "http://nautilus.uwoj.krakow.pl/zxland/ZXVGSdoc.lha". -- Yarek. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Sep 15 23:26:37 1999 Message-ID: <012301beffc8$7b87ec00$64a5fea9@simcooke3> From: "Simon Cooke" To: "samusers" Subject: Proposal for the FTP site... Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:14:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 905 Lines: 28 Can we add a "fileinfo.txt" file to every folder? I want to write a quite utility which will go through the site, and grab this info from each one, building an index on my web pages... The format would be something like this: --------8<----------8<---------8<-------- FLDR - currentfoldernamegoeshere OWNER - owner name followed by email in brackets FLDRINFO info goes here ... html must be embeddable (ie. you should be able to remove the BODY tags and just paste it into a page FILES \subfolder one line description filename one line description --------8<----------8<---------8<-------- This way, we'd be able to have an online directory of sorts, that I could run a bot on every now and then to update it. Only problem is getting people to put together the initial index... but if anyone's up to the job, we could parcel out tasks for it... Let me know what you think, folks, Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Sep 15 23:56:51 1999 Message-ID: <37E023CB.1BC12663@btinternet.com> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 23:55:07 +0100 From: Thomas Harte X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-* MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SAM Mailing List Subject: Fast booting ROM? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id XAA28775 Status: RO Content-Length: 260 Lines: 6 At current, in my development process (using a DOS based package to cross assemble), by far the longest wait is for SIM Coupé to quite finish booting, so I am wondering - is there a fast booting ROM available for download anywhere on the internet? -Thomas From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Sep 15 23:56:53 1999 Message-ID: <37E023C8.9C2FB299@btinternet.com> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 23:55:04 +0100 From: Thomas Harte X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-* MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SAM Mailing List Subject: Getting MasterDOS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 446 Lines: 8 Though MasterDOS doesn't seem to be available for download in an assembled form, I noticed that Andy Wright has made the source available. I've never had / used / tried MasterDOS, but I thought I might so I am wondering - should an assembled version be available somewhere I haven't looked, or do I need to find an assembler that supports its layout (no colons to mark the end of labels, all capitals)? If so, can anyone suggest one? -Thomas From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Sep 16 00:06:26 1999 Message-ID: <013701beffcd$fc5107e0$64a5fea9@simcooke3> From: "Simon Cooke" To: "samusers" Subject: Source going up Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:59:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1365 Lines: 54 I'm putting a whole chunk of source code online... Questions: Anyone object to the following going up? PRODOS 1st May 1992 source code E-COPY 3 source code E-COPY 1.0 source code Parallax boot sector and DOS source code MasterDOS v2.3 source code (on SAM archive) SAM ROM v3.0 source code (on SAM archive) --- here's what other source is going up --- ZUB Termite SAM -> BMP converter QDOS IFF -> SAM converter (incomplete) GIF -> SAM converter (incomplete) MultiROM boot menu & minor BIOS source MultiROM screen-snapshotter ROM source PC Keyboard reader ROM source (very simple - doesn't do pretty much anything) Atomic intro screen (wibbly mirrored logo, fast music player) Fred 24 birthday demo Entropy Doc Reader (as used on Fred forever) Entro2 part a Entro2 part b Entropy Experience menu (flying stars + scroller) Fred 14 menu Fred 18 menu Fred 28 menu Hotbutter demo Hiscore table from way back (for a defender game I was working on) ... pretty neat though Infinity Cracktro source (barrelscroller, bobs, small scroller) Maxisys booter (on boot, fades in a mode 4 screen stored in tracks 80-81 on the disk, then loads dos) System info reporter SCPDU5 menu SCPDU6 preview demo Slideshow demo (decompressor) Experimental sprite zoomer Tetris (converted from gameboy emulator soruce released by Argonaut software way back) Possibly more to come... Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Sep 16 00:06:26 1999 Message-ID: <014501beffce$2df30640$64a5fea9@simcooke3> From: "Simon Cooke" To: References: <37E023C8.9C2FB299@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: Getting MasterDOS Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:00:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 535 Lines: 13 > Though MasterDOS doesn't seem to be available for download in an assembled > form, I noticed that Andy Wright has made the source available. I've never had > / used / tried MasterDOS, but I thought I might so I am wondering - should an > assembled version be available somewhere I haven't looked, or do I need to > find an assembler that supports its layout (no colons to mark the end of > labels, all capitals)? If so, can anyone suggest one? Use COMET2ASCII to convert the source; it's one of the reasons it was written :) Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Sep 16 01:36:14 1999 Message-ID: <018901beffdb$302b0900$64a5fea9@simcooke3> From: "Simon Cooke" To: "samusers" Subject: Source is UP! Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:34:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 107 Lines: 7 The source is now up... http://home.earthlink.net/~simoncooke/samcoupe/infobase/index.html Enjoy :) Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Sep 16 07:35:36 1999 From: Frode Tenneboe Message-Id: <199909160634.IAA09478@asmal.edh.ericsson.se> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 08:34:40 +0200 (MET DST) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Source going up In-Reply-To: <013701beffcd$fc5107e0$64a5fea9@simcooke3> X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.3.4-990530-sol MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id HAA14385 Status: RO Content-Length: 592 Lines: 17 "Simon Cooke" wrote: > I'm putting a whole chunk of source code online... Woah...do you want a ./sources/simon? :) -Frode PS: The fileinfo.txt looks good. Should we ad a to make it possible to have more than one file/logical grouping of files in each directory? -- ^ Frode Tennebø | email: ft@edh.ericsson.se ^ | Ericsson Radar AS. | Isebakkeveien 49 | | Phone: +47 69 21 41 47 | N-1788 Halden | | with Standard.Disclaimer; use Standard.Disclaimer; | From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Sep 16 10:44:32 1999 X-sendmail-revision: 29-Mar-1999 (23) by ant@tissoft.co.uk Message-ID: <004f01bf0027$19feb270$3701a8c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> From: "Nick Humphries" To: Subject: Re: Source going up Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:37:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 176 Lines: 13 From: Simon Cooke >I'm putting a whole chunk of source code online... Wot no Statues Of Ice? I'll get me coat... Nick (purveyor of old jokes) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Sep 16 11:20:18 1999 X-sendmail-revision: 29-Mar-1999 (23) by ant@tissoft.co.uk Message-ID: <005e01bf002c$3c086f50$3701a8c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> From: "Nick Humphries" To: Subject: Re: *ahem* Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 11:14:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 497 Lines: 13 From: Simon Cooke >I have no idea what came over me there.. I do apologize :) No probs - I've been called worse :) For instance, I've just been told that the Java scrolly on the front page of the YSRnRY sometimes crashes NT4 if you read it right to the end... that'll teach me for not coding it myself... I'll have to write my own from scratch, methinks (unless anyone here knows of a good smooth fast-ish Java scroller - I'm currently using ProScroll 2.5.3). Nick From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Sep 16 11:20:19 1999 Message-ID: <00e101bf002a$0893e5c0$64a5fea9@simcooke3> From: "Simon Cooke" To: References: <004f01bf0027$19feb270$3701a8c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> Subject: Re: Source going up Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 02:58:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 91 Lines: 5 > Wot no Statues Of Ice? > > I'll get me coat... DIE HEINOUS SCUM OF THE UNIVERSE!!!!!!!