From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Oct 1 00:59:47 1999 Message-ID: <37F3F8F1.BFBEA1CB@bonbon.net> Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 00:57:37 +0100 From: Martin Fitzpatrick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Sams worst game ever References: <753866CAB183D211883F0090271F46C201298BE9@COW> <37F36E3B.43EFF4E7@unbounded.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id AAA19818 Status: RO Content-Length: 426 Lines: 24 Gavin Smith wrote: > > Dan Dooré wrote: > > > My last word on the OT subject: > > > > http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/fifi_mentalwealth.jpg > > > > Before & After shots. > > I'm not sure if she looks better before or after... It took me a while to realise the black spots were for the distortion, I was thinking "ooh, peculiar case of acne"... Fitz -- Email: poohsticks@bonbon.net ICQ#: 11077801 AOL/CServeIM: Flupert From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Fri Oct 1 01:52:40 1999 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 01:52:40 +0100 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAAemu & GPL (was Re: SOLUTION: SAASound.dll ; SAA32.exe ; Saaemu0.60) Message-ID: <19991001015240.A24396@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no References: <00ea01bf0b48$62eb1e70$7752c29e@U40403> <005901bf0b92$d1cd80e0$a65e883e@atlantic> <007401bf0b98$56597120$64a5fea9@simcooke3> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <007401bf0b98$56597120$64a5fea9@simcooke3>; from Simon Cooke on Thu, Sep 30, 1999 at 04:05:37PM -0700 Status: RO Content-Length: 586 Lines: 12 On Thu, Sep 30, 1999 at 04:05:37PM -0700, Simon Cooke wrote: > Ummm... actually, no; a GPL'd program can call whatever it likes, without > the libs it uses having to be GPL'd too. It's a purist thing to have them > all as GPL'd libraries, and not explicitly necessary. Incorrect. If the GPL program calls a library that's not GPL then that library has to be something fairly standard that is usually supplied with the operating system. (Hence all the hoohar over KDE folks recompiling a load of GPL apps to use QT which is non-GPL and only comes with _some_ versions of Linux.) imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Oct 1 10:06:29 1999 Message-Id: <199910010901.FAA18732@msuacad.morehead-st.edu> From: "James R Curry" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 04:04:14 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: South park In-reply-to: References: <01bf0b86$32c72b60$LocalHost@register> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01d) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1039 Lines: 22 > What I don't understand is why the press and the government doesn't hype > the problem out of all reasonable proportion. Contrast it with most > newspapers' attitude to the internet - "how can we protect our innocent > children from this tidal wave of obscenity being delivered direct into > their bedrooms?" > > The way I see it, what you'll find on the web and usenet represents a > fairly accurate cross-section of the world at large - warts 'n all - and > that parents should take at least as much responsibility over what their > children access as they would over letting them watch 18-rated films, or > letting them browse the top shelf at a local newsagent or whatever. > > But a lot of parents seem not to. Which is bizarre, because apart from > anything else, I'm amazed they're unconcerned about paying the phone bill... Thank you Andrew, for mirroring my sentiments exactly. :) -- James R Curry - James@curry.com "The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!" The OFFICIAL James R Curry Webpage is at http://www.lhutz.demon.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Oct 1 10:58:07 1999 Message-ID: <003f01bf0bed$3c161ca0$64a5fea9@simcooke3> From: "Simon Cooke" To: References: Subject: Re: South park Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 02:12:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 593 Lines: 15 > The way I see it, what you'll find on the web and usenet represents a > fairly accurate cross-section of the world at large - warts 'n all - and > that parents should take at least as much responsibility over what their > children access as they would over letting them watch 18-rated films, or > letting them browse the top shelf at a local newsagent or whatever. > > But a lot of parents seem not to. Which is bizarre, because apart from > anything else, I'm amazed they're unconcerned about paying the phone bill... http://home.earthlink.net/~simoncooke/magazines/rumour.html :) Simon From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Fri Oct 1 11:54:45 1999 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 11:54:45 +0100 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAAemu & GPL (was Re: SOLUTION: SAASound.dll ; SAA32.exe ; Saaemu0.60) Message-ID: <19991001115445.A2408@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no References: <00ea01bf0b48$62eb1e70$7752c29e@U40403> <005901bf0b92$d1cd80e0$a65e883e@atlantic> <007401bf0b98$56597120$64a5fea9@simcooke3> <19991001015240.A24396@comlab.ox.ac.uk> <001501bf0ba8$480a2960$64a5fea9@simcooke3> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <001501bf0ba8$480a2960$64a5fea9@simcooke3>; from Simon Cooke on Thu, Sep 30, 1999 at 05:59:33PM -0700 Status: RO Content-Length: 1278 Lines: 23 On Thu, Sep 30, 1999 at 05:59:33PM -0700, Simon Cooke wrote: > However, there's no > restriction on GPL'd programs relying on other libraries which are not > GPL'd - it's just a matter of taste. Permission to copy and distribute a GPLd program is conditional upon distributing the entire source code of the program. Including any libraries and anything else which forms part of the program. ("However, as a special exception, the source code distributed need not include anything that is normally distributed (in either source or binary form) with the major components (compiler, kernel, and so on) of the operating system on which the executable runs, unless that component itself accompanies the executable.") If I write a program and slap the GPL on it then I am of course free to amend the licencing terms to allow it to be linked with this or that other non-GPL library. (The program Licq has such a term in its licence to allow linking with QT.) However, if I don't then you are not allowed to take my program, link it with a non-GPL library and distribute the result. In doing so you have created a derivative work, and the GPL applies to the work as a whole, including the library you have linked it with. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Oct 1 13:31:46 1999 Message-ID: <00b001bf0c08$8acc9c00$64a5fea9@simcooke3> From: "Simon Cooke" To: References: <00ea01bf0b48$62eb1e70$7752c29e@U40403> <005901bf0b92$d1cd80e0$a65e883e@atlantic> <007401bf0b98$56597120$64a5fea9@simcooke3> <19991001015240.A24396@comlab.ox.ac.uk> <001501bf0ba8$480a2960$64a5fea9@simcooke3> <19991001115445.A2408@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Subject: Re: SAAemu & GPL (was Re: SOLUTION: SAASound.dll ; SAA32.exe ; Saaemu0.60) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 05:29:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1663 Lines: 34 From: Ian Collier > On Thu, Sep 30, 1999 at 05:59:33PM -0700, Simon Cooke wrote: > > However, there's no > > restriction on GPL'd programs relying on other libraries which are not > > GPL'd - it's just a matter of taste. > > Permission to copy and distribute a GPLd program is conditional upon > distributing the entire source code of the program. Including any libraries > and anything else which forms part of the program. ("However, as a special > exception, the source code distributed need not include anything that is > normally distributed (in either source or binary form) with the major > components (compiler, kernel, and so on) of the operating system on > which the executable runs, unless that component itself accompanies > the executable.") Term 0 is the most important one here: 0. This License applies to any program or other work which contains a notice placed by the copyright holder saying it may be distributed under the terms of this General Public License. The "Program", below, refers to any such program or work, and a "work based on the Program" means either the Program or any derivative work under copyright law: that is to say, a work containing the Program or a portion of it, either verbatim or with modifications and/or translated into another language. (Hereinafter, translation is included without limitation in the term "modification".) Each licensee is addressed as "you". Aley's sound code is not a library that forms a "part" of the program, as it's possible to run the program without the DLL. Admittedly it's a grey area though. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Oct 1 20:32:56 1999 Message-ID: <002301bf0c40$71e470e0$6f06883e@atlantic> From: "Dave Hooper" To: References: <00ea01bf0b48$62eb1e70$7752c29e@U40403> <005901bf0b92$d1cd80e0$a65e883e@atlantic> <007401bf0b98$56597120$64a5fea9@simcooke3> <19991001015240.A24396@comlab.ox.ac.uk> <001501bf0ba8$480a2960$64a5fea9@simcooke3> <19991001115445.A2408@comlab.ox.ac.uk> <00b001bf0c08$8acc9c00$64a5fea9@simcooke3> Subject: Re: SAAemu & GPL (was Re: SOLUTION: SAASound.dll ; SAA32.exe ; Saaemu0.60) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 20:08:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 728 Lines: 20 > Aley's sound code is not a library that forms a "part" of the program, as > it's possible to run the program without the DLL. > > Simon Well ... unfortunately that is precisely the problem we have here. Aley's code is not in a DLL. Presumably It is possible to recompile a version of Sim Coupe that does not uses Aley's static library, and presumably that would be GPL-OK. But since Aley's code links statically, if you use it with Sim Coupe, you must compile it in, so it physically forms a part of the program. Unlike my DLL ... assuming everything's well written the show would still go on without my DLL being present. But I don't see anything stopping me release it under the GPL or somesuch. (Soonish, anyway) dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Oct 1 21:01:24 1999 From: "Johnna Teare" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 21:02:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: SAM Community In-reply-to: <37F37046.EC394E9@unbounded.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 624 Lines: 25 On 30 Sep 99, at 15:14, Gavin Smith wrote: > It's 2 > quid for a year's membership, including 6 issues of the newsletter. If > you're interested, drop me a mail off the list and I'll send you the > address. > Right Gav - Sorry for not signing up earlier. Email me your address and trhe cheque'll be in the post. There MUST be more than 30 active SAM users out there - are we all not active SAM users merely by participating in this list...? > Gavin > Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk ICQ: 48928093 "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Oct 1 22:59:51 1999 From: "Paul Walker" Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 19:10:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Hi Sam Dudes, Message-ID: In-reply-to: <37ED083B.D6C1DEB9@bonbon.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) X-Hops: 1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1077 Lines: 28 > Actually.. to make this kinda less than worthless as a message (well, > ok, perhaps just worthless)... Where is the latest Win32 version? Does > it have sound blah blah blah.... I mean, I can't live without my POW > command. Actually, can I make a request for a sort of "status snapshot" of SimCoupe? Including such things as, which platforms is it available for? what's the latest release? what's the latest *public* release (not always the same)? where can it be obtained from? etc. Use your imagination, it's the useful things I want. :-) I mean, I've seen people talking about 0.79, and it's like "Wha? I haven't even got 0.783 yet!" People can post it to the list, or email it to me for collation. Be warned that if you do the latter it'll be a while before I get back to you, since I get proper email access somewhat infrequently at the moment. Thanks, -- Paul Civilization won't *die* from Y2k. It'll be more like Civilization goes out drinking and the next morning discovers the importance of drinking gin out of smaller containers. -- Source unknown From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Oct 1 22:59:51 1999 From: "Paul Walker" Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 19:13:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: New files Message-ID: In-reply-to: References: <199909201755.TAA00801@sp7.zsk.p.lodz.pl> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) X-Hops: 1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 286 Lines: 10 > There is new ZXVGS 0.18 version for SAM in file: > "http://nautilus.torch.net.pl/zxland/ZX018SAM.lha". Um. I'm glad there's a new version, but .. what is it? -- Paul Give me a fast modem, for I intend to go in harm's way. -- Doktor DynaSoar Iridium in news.admin.net-abuse.usenet From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Oct 2 00:31:25 1999 Message-ID: <37F543A5.FD876256@btinternet.com> Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 00:28:37 +0100 From: Thomas Harte X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-* MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SAM Mailing List Subject: Goodbye Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 234 Lines: 9 Hi, just to announce that I'm winding down all internet activity before I go to university, and so am un-subscribing from this list. I know it won't really matter to anyone, but I thought it polite to say. Anyway, bye. -Thomas From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Oct 2 01:35:44 1999 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 01:33:05 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: Goodbye References: <37F543A5.FD876256@btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: <37F543A5.FD876256@btinternet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 4.01 <8OHKkEUpoELRXEckwUjJGSM0AF> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 541 Lines: 19 In message <37F543A5.FD876256@btinternet.com>, Thomas Harte writes >Hi, > > just to announce that I'm winding down all internet activity before I go >to >university, and so am un-subscribing from this list. I know it won't really >matter to anyone, but I thought it polite to say. Are you leaving the Retrospec list as well, then? Graham Goring -- /====================================\ | Ber-Limey! There's not even enough | |room to swing a cat in this sodding-| \=========== ICQ: 5333545 ===========/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Oct 2 21:25:49 1999 by www0.funmail.co.uk with SMTP; 2 Oct 1999 22:19:04 -0000 Message-ID: <135625900.938894921570.JavaMail.root@mx0.funmail.co.uk> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 20:08:41 +0000 (GMT) From: surfin_usm@absobloodylutely.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Re Finally Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="135627189.938894921523.JavaMail.root@www2.funmail.co.uk" X-Funmail-UID: 183619 X-Senders-IP: unknown X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 729 Lines: 23 --135627189.938894921523.JavaMail.root@www2.funmail.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From : Gavin Smith To : sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >I agree that if you aren't going to sell the stuff anymore, it should be >made easily available. I don't my own disk mags online because I'm embarrassed about the writing in them and don't want people to see that rubbish anymore. ||adie-usm|| www.alphabetty.co.uk ---------------------------------------------------------- "like Hotmail but faster and a lot better" Carol Vorderman, The Mirror, writing about http://www.funmail.co.uk --135627189.938894921523.JavaMail.root@www2.funmail.co.uk-- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Oct 2 21:38:37 1999 Message-ID: <37F66CDB.72DCE86D@bonbon.net> Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 21:36:43 +0100 From: Martin Fitzpatrick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Re Finally References: <135625900.938894921570.JavaMail.root@mx0.funmail.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1077 Lines: 30 > www.alphabetty.co.uk > ---------------------------------------------------------- > "like Hotmail but faster and a lot better" > Carol Vorderman, The Mirror, writing about http://www.funmail.co.uk I have real trouble with this tag on the end... I read it as "Like Carol Vorderman, but faster and a lot better" Speaking of which, did anyone see Countdown at 5:30am on tuesday morning? it must be a classic, with Richard Whitely's "Oooh say it again" eroticisms :)... (In an attempt to make this relevant)... Chris- yknow the lemmings artwork that you posted on your site? Is it the animations for the characters etc?.. Just cos I need the little lemmings for something I'm doing as a joke.. I see its in SAD format.. will that go in SimCoupe? What format are the graphics in?.. Urrr... Is there are program to extract them outta the file onto my PC? Will they load into anything? Quite relevant in the end... Minus the Carol Vorderman/Richard Whitely obsessions. Anyways... -- Email: poohsticks@bonbon.net ICQ#: 11077801 AOL/CServeIM: Flupert From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Oct 3 01:06:46 1999 (SMTPD32-5.05) id ACCAD7002F4; Sat, 02 Oct 1999 20:01:14 -0400 Message-ID: <37F69DA5.F59FDA19@unbounded.com> Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 01:04:53 +0100 From: Gavin Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM Community References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 928 Lines: 35 Johnna Teare wrote: > > On 30 Sep 99, at 15:14, Gavin Smith wrote: > > > It's 2 > > quid for a year's membership, including 6 issues of the newsletter. If > > you're interested, drop me a mail off the list and I'll send you the > > address. > > > > Right Gav - Sorry for not signing up earlier. Email me your address > and trhe cheque'll be in the post. > > There MUST be more than 30 active SAM users out there - are we > all not active SAM users merely by participating in this list...? > > > Gavin > > > > Peace, Love and Kisses, > JohnnaPig Teare > http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk > ICQ: 48928093 > "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." Hey there Johnna :) Okie dokie, the address is: SAM Community, 34 Craigowen Road, Carrickfergus, BT38 7NE. And please, no cheques! :) 2 quid in coins, or stamps or something, but no cheques. Looking forward to hearing from you soon :) Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Oct 3 01:19:40 1999 (SMTPD32-5.05) id AFD4F7A02F4; Sat, 02 Oct 1999 20:14:12 -0400 Message-ID: <37F6A0B1.34B0EB9A@unbounded.com> Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 01:17:53 +0100 From: Gavin Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM Community References: <37F69DA5.F59FDA19@unbounded.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 805 Lines: 27 Gavin Smith wrote: > > Johnna Teare wrote: > > Right Gav - Sorry for not signing up earlier. Email me your address > > and trhe cheque'll be in the post. > > > > There MUST be more than 30 active SAM users out there - are we > > all not active SAM users merely by participating in this list...? > Hey there Johnna :) Okie dokie, the address is: > SAM Community, > 34 Craigowen Road, > Carrickfergus, > BT38 7NE. > > And please, no cheques! :) 2 quid in coins, or stamps or something, but > no cheques. Looking forward to hearing from you soon :) > > Gavin Er woops, sorry, that was meant to go straight to Johnna. Still, never mind, if anyone else wants to join up, now you have the details (including you Rob - I was about to write to you next when I realised I had sent this to the list!) Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Oct 3 01:47:19 1999 Message-ID: <001801bf0d38$98674e60$f4038cd4@chris> From: "Chris White" To: References: <135625900.938894921570.JavaMail.root@mx0.funmail.co.uk> <37F66CDB.72DCE86D@bonbon.net> Subject: Re: Re Finally Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 01:45:30 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 780 Lines: 21 ----- Original Message ----- From: Martin Fitzpatrick > (In an attempt to make this relevant)... Chris- yknow the lemmings > artwork that you posted on your site? Is it the animations for the > characters etc?.. Just cos I need the little lemmings for something I'm > doing as a joke.. I see its in SAD format.. will that go in SimCoupe? > What format are the graphics in?.. Urrr... Is there are program to > extract them outta the file onto my PC? Will they load into anything? There is a PC DISK Zip of the GFX on the site call stuff from DMA , and they contain IFF files that can be view with most GFX programs In some respects they still belong 2 DMA , but not 2 sure , as long as its not degrading to DMA/Lemmings then it should be ok?? C From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Oct 3 20:59:07 1999 Message-ID: <37F7B4F7.5884F9F2@bonbon.net> Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 20:56:39 +0100 From: Martin Fitzpatrick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Re Finally References: <135625900.938894921570.JavaMail.root@mx0.funmail.co.uk> <37F66CDB.72DCE86D@bonbon.net> <001801bf0d38$98674e60$f4038cd4@chris> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 688 Lines: 21 Chris White wrote: > > From: Martin Fitzpatrick > > (In an attempt to make this relevant)... Chris- yknow the lemmings > There is a PC DISK Zip of the GFX on the site call stuff from DMA , and they > contain IFF files that can be view with most GFX programs > In some respects they still belong 2 DMA , but not 2 sure , as long as its > not degrading to DMA/Lemmings then it should be ok?? Ohh... would I do a thing like that? No no no no no.... :) Not degrading at all.. :)... Not that I'm going to say what it is though. You'll all find out in good time (mu ha ha ha ha ha) Fitz -- Email: poohsticks@bonbon.net ICQ#: 11077801 AOL/CServeIM: Flupert From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Oct 3 23:11:49 1999 Message-ID: <37F7D417.AADB65A1@bonbon.net> Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 23:09:27 +0100 From: Martin Fitzpatrick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Re Finally References: <135625900.938894921570.JavaMail.root@mx0.funmail.co.uk> <37F66CDB.72DCE86D@bonbon.net> <001801bf0d38$98674e60$f4038cd4@chris> <37F7B4F7.5884F9F2@bonbon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1034 Lines: 31 Martin Fitzpatrick wrote: > > Chris White wrote: > > > > From: Martin Fitzpatrick > > > (In an attempt to make this relevant)... Chris- yknow the lemmings > > > There is a PC DISK Zip of the GFX on the site call stuff from DMA , and they > > contain IFF files that can be view with most GFX programs > > In some respects they still belong 2 DMA , but not 2 sure , as long as its > > not degrading to DMA/Lemmings then it should be ok?? > > Ohh... would I do a thing like that? No no no no no.... :) Not > degrading at all.. :)... Not that I'm going to say what it is though. > You'll all find out in good time (mu ha ha ha ha ha) Annnd... I'm going to get in touch with them before I do it :)... So nope there wont be a problem. Though, there is a problem with the link, it doesn't seem to work, I think it might be that the filenames on the site have ".ZIP" as the extension instead of ".zip" (annoying or what?).. Fitz -- Email: poohsticks@bonbon.net ICQ#: 11077801 AOL/CServeIM: Flupert From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Oct 3 23:42:55 1999 Message-ID: <000501bf0df0$46c215a0$e0028cd4@chris> From: "Chris White" To: References: <135625900.938894921570.JavaMail.root@mx0.funmail.co.uk> <37F66CDB.72DCE86D@bonbon.net> <001801bf0d38$98674e60$f4038cd4@chris> <37F7B4F7.5884F9F2@bonbon.net> <37F7D417.AADB65A1@bonbon.net> Subject: Re: Re Finally Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 23:40:20 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 390 Lines: 11 From: Martin Fitzpatrick > Annnd... I'm going to get in touch with them before I do it :)... So > nope there wont be a problem. Though, there is a problem with the link, > it doesn't seem to work, I think it might be that the filenames on the > site have ".ZIP" as the extension instead of ".zip" (annoying or > what?).. Thats fine , and the files are fixed :) From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Mon Oct 4 15:24:31 1999 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:24:31 +0100 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM Community Message-ID: <19991004152431.K3902@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no References: <37F69DA5.F59FDA19@unbounded.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <37F69DA5.F59FDA19@unbounded.com>; from Gavin Smith on Sun, Oct 03, 1999 at 01:04:53AM +0100 Status: RO Content-Length: 305 Lines: 8 On Sun, Oct 03, 1999 at 01:04:53AM +0100, Gavin Smith wrote: > And please, no cheques! :) 2 quid in coins, or stamps or something, but > no cheques. Looking forward to hearing from you soon :) What the devil is wrong with a cheque? The editor of Crashed is anti-cheque as well, I seem to remember. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Oct 4 16:38:46 1999 (SMTPD32-5.05) id A19440D7034A; Mon, 04 Oct 1999 11:02:44 -0400 Message-ID: <37F8C257.B1660CD4@unbounded.com> Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 16:06:01 +0100 From: Gavin Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM Community References: <37F69DA5.F59FDA19@unbounded.com> <19991004152431.K3902@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 553 Lines: 16 Ian Collier wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 03, 1999 at 01:04:53AM +0100, Gavin Smith wrote: > > And please, no cheques! :) 2 quid in coins, or stamps or something, but > > no cheques. Looking forward to hearing from you soon :) > > What the devil is wrong with a cheque? The editor of Crashed is anti-cheque > as well, I seem to remember. > > imc Coins or stamps are a lot more convenient than driving to a bank and suffering the embarrassment of cashing a couple of 2 quid cheques - and isn't there charges for cheques under a fiver or something? Gavin From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Mon Oct 4 16:42:46 1999 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:42:46 +0100 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM Community Message-ID: <19991004164246.N3902@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no References: <37F69DA5.F59FDA19@unbounded.com> <19991004152431.K3902@comlab.ox.ac.uk> <37F8C257.B1660CD4@unbounded.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <37F8C257.B1660CD4@unbounded.com>; from Gavin Smith on Mon, Oct 04, 1999 at 04:06:01PM +0100 Status: RO Content-Length: 150 Lines: 6 On Mon, Oct 04, 1999 at 04:06:01PM +0100, Gavin Smith wrote: > isn't there charges for cheques under a fiver or something? None that I know of. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Oct 4 16:53:42 1999 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:48:58 +0200 (MET DST) From: Aley Keprt To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAAemu & GPL (was Re: SOLUTION: SAASound.dll ; SAA32.exe ; Saaemu0.60) In-Reply-To: <002301bf0c40$71e470e0$6f06883e@atlantic> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1685 Lines: 38 > > Aley's sound code is not a library that forms a "part" of the program, as > > it's possible to run the program without the DLL. > > > > Simon > > > Well ... unfortunately that is precisely the problem we have here. Aley's > code is not in a DLL. Presumably It is possible to recompile a version of > Sim Coupe that does not uses Aley's static library, and presumably that > would be GPL-OK. But since Aley's code links statically, if you use it with > Sim Coupe, you must compile it in, so it physically forms a part of the > program. How can it be DLL, when it is a DOS library? SimCoupe itself uses portions of other non-GLP sources (e.g. Allegro), which is somewhat illegal. So I think SimCoupe cannot be GPL. Can it be GPL when it contains some sources, the original authors are NOT listed in the credits/copyright sections, and they haven't explicitly allowed their code to become a GPL one? > Unlike my DLL ... assuming everything's well written the show would still go > on without my DLL being present. > But I don't see anything stopping me release it under the GPL or somesuch. > (Soonish, anyway) This is almost clear. The only problem is that you cannot normally run SAA32 (or any program that uses SAAsound.dll) without that DLL, since Windows loads all DLL files when EXE is started. Of course, you can use runtime dynamic linking, but almost nobody use it. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Aley [eili] Keprt - student, programmer (multimedia soft. etc.) phone: +420-68-538 70 35 e-mail: AleyKeprt@bigfoot.com *** http://get.to/aley ---------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Oct 4 23:50:22 1999 Message-ID: <001301bf0eb1$dda15000$5a4e08c3@j4m4p3> From: "David L" To: References: <37F69DA5.F59FDA19@unbounded.com> <19991004152431.K3902@comlab.ox.ac.uk> <37F8C257.B1660CD4@unbounded.com> <19991004164246.N3902@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Subject: Re: SAM Community Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 22:46:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 536 Lines: 21 ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Collier To: Sent: Monday, October 04, 1999 4:42 PM Subject: Re: SAM Community > On Mon, Oct 04, 1999 at 04:06:01PM +0100, Gavin Smith wrote: > > isn't there charges for cheques under a fiver or something? > > None that I know of. There are with some banks. Besides which, stamps and cash are a damn site more useful. Looking forward to the next ish Gavin!! (Yes - I'm one of the *TWO* on this list that could be bothered to subscribe!) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Oct 5 10:09:20 1999 From: "David Laundon" To: Subject: RE: SAM Community Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:08:55 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <001301bf0eb1$dda15000$5a4e08c3@j4m4p3> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-Server: VPOP3 V1.3.3 - Registered to: Steven J. Jeffery X-Organisation: Catalyst Computer Systems Ltd. X-Web: Visit our Web Page at http://www.catalyst-uk.com X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 258 Lines: 12 David L (not me!) wrote: >Looking forward to the next ish Gavin!! Me too! >(Yes - I'm one of the *TWO* on this list that could be bothered to >subscribe!) Erm, *I* subscribed. Does that make it three, or were you talking about me anyway? David Laundon. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Oct 5 15:00:26 1999 From: "Johnna Teare" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:31:21 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: SAM Community In-reply-to: References: <001301bf0eb1$dda15000$5a4e08c3@j4m4p3> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 571 Lines: 28 On 5 Oct 99, at 9:08, David Laundon wrote: > David L (not me!) wrote: > >Looking forward to the next ish Gavin!! > > Me too! > > >(Yes - I'm one of the *TWO* on this list that could be bothered to > >subscribe!) > > Erm, *I* subscribed. Does that make it three, or were you talking about > me anyway? > > David Laundon. Well with the greatest respect, this is the first I've heard about it... > > Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk ICQ: 48928093 "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Oct 5 17:38:08 1999 From: Allan Skillman Organization: ARM To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAAemu & GPL (was Re: SOLUTION: SAASound.dll ; SAA32.exe ; Saaemu0.60) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 17:24:35 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <99100517295601.04923@pc203.cambridge.arm.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1087 Lines: 23 Hi All, > >SimCoupe itself uses portions of other non-GLP sources (e.g. Allegro), >which is somewhat illegal. So I think SimCoupe cannot be GPL. >Can it be GPL when it contains some sources, the original authors are NOT >listed in the credits/copyright sections, and they haven't explicitly >allowed their code to become a GPL one? Actually, it does not use the Allegro code in the source distribution. I guess it must have got there by mistake. The only code outside Ian's and Mine is from UAE - the Vesa Bios stuff, which is used with permission of the author, and some stuff from the dgjpp examples. regards Allan -- +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ | Allan Skillman | "There are five flavours of resons, the | | EDA Group | elementary particles of magic : up, down, | | ARM | sideways, sex-appeal and peppermint." | | allan.skillman@arm.com | - Terry Pratchett (Lords and Ladies) | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Oct 5 23:28:47 1999 Message-ID: <001101bf0f78$40727bc0$155008c3@j4m4p3> From: "David L" To: References: <001301bf0eb1$dda15000$5a4e08c3@j4m4p3> Subject: Re: SAM Community Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 22:26:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 409 Lines: 13 ----- Original Message ----- From: Johnna Teare To: Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 3:31 PM Subject: RE: SAM Community > Well with the greatest respect, this is the first I've heard about it... I suppose it also reffers to the number of people who actually *bothered* to subscribe to SAM magazines... WHILE THEY STILL EXISTED! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Oct 6 09:42:46 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BFCDBB76@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: SAM Community Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:30:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 420 Lines: 15 Ahem... Oops... > -----Original Message----- > From: David L [SMTP:daveykins@theoffice.net] > Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 10:26 PM > To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Subject: Re: SAM Community > > > Well with the greatest respect, this is the first I've heard about it... > > I suppose it also reffers to the number of people who actually *bothered* > to > subscribe to SAM magazines... WHILE THEY STILL EXISTED! > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Oct 6 10:10:48 1999 X-sendmail-revision: 19-Sep-1999 (24) by ant@tissoft.co.uk Message-ID: <012401bf0fda$4e589aa0$3701a8c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> From: "Nick Humphries" To: Subject: Re: SAM Community Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 10:08:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1262 Lines: 38 -----Original Message----- From: David L To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: 05 October 1999 23:30 Subject: Re: SAM Community > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Johnna Teare >To: >Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 3:31 PM >Subject: RE: SAM Community > > >> Well with the greatest respect, this is the first I've heard about it... > >I suppose it also reffers to the number of people who actually *bothered* to >subscribe to SAM magazines... WHILE THEY STILL EXISTED! It's another one of those ratio things, isn't it. When YS was at it's prime, it was selling over 80,000 copies and was the top-selling Spectrum mag. And just exactly how many millions of Spectrums were sold in the UK? YS also had an advantage in that you could easily buy it in most newsagents - with the SAM 'zine scene you had to first hear about it, then risk sending money in the post (in any form) to a complete stranger. You couldn't even flick through it before you bought them, unless you went to a show (another complication). Considering that a few thousand SAMs were sold, it was surprising that some unofficial 'zines got into treble figures. Nick From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Oct 6 14:02:47 1999 Message-ID: <000301bf0ff9$af8278e0$30c548c2@chris--pc.> From: "Chris Pile" To: "Sam Users Group" Subject: SAM Community Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 13:52:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 286 Lines: 11 Gavin, Could you e-mail me your address please as I wish to subscribe to SAM Community. I would have sent you an e-mail direct, but Outlook Express decided *not* to add your e-mail address to my address book the last time I mailed you, even though it's set to do so! Cheers, Chris. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Oct 6 21:06:06 1999 (SMTPD32-5.05) id A9E05A6028E; Wed, 06 Oct 1999 15:58:24 -0400 Message-ID: <37FBAAD1.BC19AB9A@unbounded.com> Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 21:02:26 +0100 From: Gavin Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM Community References: <000301bf0ff9$af8278e0$30c548c2@chris--pc.> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 510 Lines: 20 Chris Pile wrote: > > Gavin, > > Could you e-mail me your address please as I wish to subscribe to SAM Community. > > I would have sent you an e-mail direct, but Outlook Express decided *not* > to add your e-mail address to my address book the last time I mailed you, even though > it's set to do so! Righto, it's... SAM Community, 34 Craigowen Road, Carrickfergus, BT38 7NE. Send me two quid in stamps or coins (no cheques please) and you'll get 6 issues of the supposedly bi-monthly newsletter. Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Oct 7 11:00:11 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BFCDBB7C@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: SAM Community Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 11:00:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 323 Lines: 14 okie dokie pickledee-pokie! I'll have to leave it for a few weeks since I'm moving anyway. Justin > -----Original Message----- > From: Gavin Smith [SMTP:gavinsmith@unbounded.com] > > Send me two quid in stamps or coins (no cheques please) and you'll get 6 > issues of the supposedly bi-monthly newsletter. > > Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Oct 7 21:51:39 1999 Message-ID: <001c01bf1104$912c3c80$367d883e@sadsnail> From: "Tim" To: "sam-users" Subject: Lost Games Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 21:42:03 +0100 Organization: Sad Snail Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1347 Lines: 27 A thought I had just now, while reading through some old files... What ever happened to the F16 Simulator. Obviously it never got released, but it did get to the demo stage (does anyone have this on a DSK?). The quote from the SamCo newsletter was something like "the programmer got off to a good start, but then started to some off the rails". Who was the programmer? How close was it to being finished? Was it just a number of bugs that needed ironing out? Did it actually get further than the demo? Did it turn out to just be unplayable? Does it still exist in an uncompleted state, in a box somewhere, or was all work on it lost? Are there any other gems out there that never got finished, but were close, do people still have these? They'd be a wonderful thing to see. I'll resist mentioning a certain mega-demo, but did Kaboom! every get finally released? - I seem to recall one posting to this list saying it was finished and since Fred was non-existant at the time someone else was willing to sell it at a low price. Enigma had the license for Xybots, but I think I'm right in saying it never appeared (at least it disappeared off there price list, and I never saw a mention of it again.) Was any work actually taken on this? I sense lots of history, and possibly interesting tales, but does anyone actually know them? Tim From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Oct 7 22:25:30 1999 Message-ID: <001701bf1109$1b14f780$410bf0d4@chris> From: "Chris White" To: References: <001c01bf1104$912c3c80$367d883e@sadsnail> Subject: Re: Lost Games Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 22:15:36 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 793 Lines: 20 From: Tim > What ever happened to the F16 Simulator. Obviously it never got released, > but it did get to the demo stage (does anyone have this on a DSK?). The > quote from the SamCo newsletter was something like "the programmer got off > to a good start, but then started to some off the rails". > Who was the programmer? How close was it to being finished? Was it just a > number of bugs that needed ironing out? Did it actually get further than > the demo? Did it turn out to just be unplayable? Does it still exist in an > uncompleted state, in a box somewhere, or was all work on it lost? SamCO never got anything other than the demo :( Can't remmeber who the programmer was , but i think he was connect 2 DID , and the original Speccy version From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Oct 8 08:25:21 1999 Message-ID: <001501bf1155$7c6eed00$f04d08c3@j4m4p3> From: "David L" To: References: <001c01bf1104$912c3c80$367d883e@sadsnail> <001701bf1109$1b14f780$410bf0d4@chris> Subject: Re: Lost Games Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 07:22:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 667 Lines: 21 ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris White To: Sent: Thursday, October 07, 1999 10:15 PM Subject: Re: Lost Games > Can't remmeber who the programmer was , but i think he was connect 2 DID , > and the original Speccy version And as he was working on it in his own time - he was keeping a bit quiet about who he was! It was the programmer of the original - David someone or other.... Couldnt write the game quick enough iir - and he had too many bugs in the game. Gave up if i recall. Kaboom - still waiting for Wayne to finish - he's supposed to have promised to finish it after Driver was done....!!!! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Oct 8 15:24:23 1999 (SMTPD32-5.05) id ACB93880240; Fri, 08 Oct 1999 10:16:25 -0400 Message-ID: <37FDFD9E.E4D58407@unbounded.com> Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 15:20:15 +0100 From: Gavin Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Lost Games References: <001c01bf1104$912c3c80$367d883e@sadsnail> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 499 Lines: 13 Tim wrote: > > A thought I had just now, while reading through some old files... > > What ever happened to the F16 Simulator. Obviously it never got released, > but it did get to the demo stage (does anyone have this on a DSK?). The > quote from the SamCo newsletter was something like "the programmer got off > to a good start, but then started to some off the rails". I've asked if anyone had the demo of this before, but no-one seems to have it - surely someone got that issue of YS? Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Oct 8 15:38:07 1999 (SMTPD32-5.05) id AD461209024C; Fri, 08 Oct 1999 10:18:46 -0400 Message-ID: <37FDFE38.B9A7779D@unbounded.com> Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 15:22:49 +0100 From: Gavin Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Lost Games References: <001c01bf1104$912c3c80$367d883e@sadsnail> <001701bf1109$1b14f780$410bf0d4@chris> <001501bf1155$7c6eed00$f04d08c3@j4m4p3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 618 Lines: 14 David L wrote: > Kaboom - still waiting for Wayne to finish - he's supposed to have promised > to finish it after Driver was done....!!!! Well, for months, the only thing he apparently had to do, was the protection routines. Then he decided to sell it himself didn't he? As shareware for a fiver if I recall, despite the fact I had sent my cheque off to Fred Publishing yonks before that. I don't know if anyone sent him a fiver, but I've heard nothing from him since. Can anyone got in contact with him? Email or phone or snail mail - it would be nice if we could finally get this game off him in some form. Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Oct 8 15:44:32 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BFCDBB8C@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: Lost Games Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 15:33:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 896 Lines: 26 There was a demo of SAM F16 on YS????!?!?!?!?!?!?! I'm sure I would've remembered that since I loved flight sims and the only YS I didn't get was the last one... (Or were there others?) > -----Original Message----- > From: Gavin Smith [SMTP:gavinsmith@unbounded.com] > Sent: Friday, October 08, 1999 3:20 PM > To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Subject: Re: Lost Games > > Tim wrote: > > > > A thought I had just now, while reading through some old files... > > > > What ever happened to the F16 Simulator. Obviously it never got > released, > > but it did get to the demo stage (does anyone have this on a DSK?). The > > quote from the SamCo newsletter was something like "the programmer got > off > > to a good start, but then started to some off the rails". > > I've asked if anyone had the demo of this before, but no-one seems to > have it - surely someone got that issue of YS? > > Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Oct 8 21:05:06 1999 From: "Johnna Teare" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 21:10:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: SAM Community In-reply-to: <001101bf0f78$40727bc0$155008c3@j4m4p3> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 460 Lines: 20 On 5 Oct 99, at 22:26, David L wrote: > I suppose it also reffers to the number of people who actually *bothered* > to subscribe to SAM magazines... WHILE THEY STILL EXISTED! > 75 issues of Fred, 30+ issues of SAM Supp, SCAC, enceladus, newsdisk etc. I think I've done my bit for the SAM. Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk ICQ: 48928093 "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Oct 8 21:09:44 1999 From: "Johnna Teare" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 21:14:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Lost Games In-reply-to: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BFCDBB8C@mailhost.aculab.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 617 Lines: 20 On 8 Oct 99, at 15:33, Justin Skists wrote: > There was a demo of SAM F16 on YS????!?!?!?!?!?!?! > > I'm sure I would've remembered that since I loved flight sims and the only > YS I didn't get was the last one... (Or were there others?) > It was on Crash - and I've sold all my tapes and mags on to someone ages ago. But it must be out there somewhere. As far as I remember, you couldn't move it anyway, and it stopped after about five seconds... Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk ICQ: 48928093 "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Oct 8 22:12:47 1999 Message-ID: <004a01bf11d1$8dbbdec0$c430893e@atlantic> From: "Dave Hooper" To: References: Subject: Re: Lost Games Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 22:09:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1127 Lines: 38 It was on YS, I'm almost positive. I have the tape. That much I know for definite. If I could just find it. (and I think I know roughly where to look) What would I do with it, though? Sim Coupe doesn't support .tap files and I can't convert the audio into a .dsk file ... ? dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Johnna Teare To: Sent: Friday, October 08, 1999 10:14 PM Subject: RE: Lost Games > > > On 8 Oct 99, at 15:33, Justin Skists wrote: > > > There was a demo of SAM F16 on YS????!?!?!?!?!?!?! > > > > I'm sure I would've remembered that since I loved flight sims and the only > > YS I didn't get was the last one... (Or were there others?) > > > > It was on Crash - and I've sold all my tapes and mags on to > someone ages ago. > > But it must be out there somewhere. As far as I remember, you > couldn't move it anyway, and it stopped after about five seconds... > Peace, Love and Kisses, > JohnnaPig Teare > http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk > ICQ: 48928093 > "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Oct 8 22:51:32 1999 Message-ID: <000f01bf11d5$c0959d00$64a5fea9@simcooke3> From: "Simon Cooke" To: References: <004a01bf11d1$8dbbdec0$c430893e@atlantic> Subject: Re: Lost Games Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 14:40:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 253 Lines: 8 From: Dave Hooper > It was on YS, I'm almost positive. I have the tape. That much I know for > definite. If I could just find it. (and I think I know roughly where to > look) Sorry guys :) It was on Crash :) Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Oct 8 22:51:32 1999 Message-ID: <007201bf11d7$0aba8520$c430893e@atlantic> From: "Dave Hooper" To: References: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BFCDBB8C@mailhost.aculab.com> Subject: Re: Lost Games Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 22:49:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 210 Lines: 9 Sorry, yees, Crash Powertap, issue 27, (c) 1991 F-16 Combat Pilot (SAM) playable (ahem) demo. Also: The Bobby Yazz Show and Lords of Midnight. Got it right here (rattle rattle). Um, now what, exactly? dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Oct 8 22:59:30 1999 Message-ID: <000701bf11d7$cedb90c0$410bf0d4@chris> From: "Chris White" To: References: <004a01bf11d1$8dbbdec0$c430893e@atlantic> Subject: Re: Lost Games Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 22:55:10 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1520 Lines: 55 Im sure they are just code files that load in so they could be trans 2 disk very easy , might even dig out me Sam 2 get this going :) C ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Hooper To: Sent: Friday, October 08, 1999 10:09 PM Subject: Re: Lost Games > It was on YS, I'm almost positive. I have the tape. That much I know for > definite. If I could just find it. (and I think I know roughly where to > look) > > What would I do with it, though? Sim Coupe doesn't support .tap files and I > can't convert the audio into a .dsk file ... ? > > dave > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Johnna Teare > To: > Sent: Friday, October 08, 1999 10:14 PM > Subject: RE: Lost Games > > > > > > > > On 8 Oct 99, at 15:33, Justin Skists wrote: > > > > > There was a demo of SAM F16 on YS????!?!?!?!?!?!?! > > > > > > I'm sure I would've remembered that since I loved flight sims and the > only > > > YS I didn't get was the last one... (Or were there others?) > > > > > > > It was on Crash - and I've sold all my tapes and mags on to > > someone ages ago. > > > > But it must be out there somewhere. As far as I remember, you > > couldn't move it anyway, and it stopped after about five seconds... > > Peace, Love and Kisses, > > JohnnaPig Teare > > http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk > > ICQ: 48928093 > > "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." > > > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Oct 8 23:23:26 1999 Message-Id: <199910082214.SAA18973@msuacad.morehead-st.edu> From: "James R Curry" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 17:18:09 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Lost Games In-reply-to: <37FDFD9E.E4D58407@unbounded.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01d) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 327 Lines: 14 > I've asked if anyone had the demo of this before, but no-one seems to > have it - surely someone got that issue of YS? > > Gavin IIRC it was Crash.  And I have it back in England. -- James R Curry - James@curry.com "The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!" The OFFICIAL James R Curry Webpage is at http://www.lhutz.demon.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Oct 8 23:23:26 1999 Message-Id: <199910082214.SAA18951@msuacad.morehead-st.edu> From: "James R Curry" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 17:18:10 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Lost Games In-reply-to: <000f01bf11d5$c0959d00$64a5fea9@simcooke3> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01d) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 689 Lines: 21 > From: Dave Hooper > > It was on YS, I'm almost positive. I have the tape. That much I know for > > definite. If I could just find it. (and I think I know roughly where to > > look) > > Sorry guys :) It was on Crash :) > > Simon Yep, and I'm 95% positive it's actually on one of the shelfs of tapes at home that I bothered to ARRANGE. (All my Crash and YS tapes in chronological order..) Trouble is, that stack of tapes is now behind a load of other crap, and I'm several thousand miles away from it. -- James R Curry - James@curry.com "The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!" The OFFICIAL James R Curry Webpage is at http://www.lhutz.demon.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Oct 9 00:14:02 1999 From: davgw@clara.co.uk (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM Community Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 23:13:19 GMT Message-ID: <380279a2.43268578@relay.clara.net> References: <001301bf0eb1$dda15000$5a4e08c3@j4m4p3> <001101bf0f78$40727bc0$155008c3@j4m4p3> In-Reply-To: <001101bf0f78$40727bc0$155008c3@j4m4p3> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 603 Lines: 15 On Tue, 5 Oct 1999 22:26:12 +0100 Wed, 6 Oct 99 18:15:46 BST, "David L" wrote: >> Well with the greatest respect, this is the first I've heard about it... > >I suppose it also reffers to the number of people who actually *bothered* to >subscribe to SAM magazines... WHILE THEY STILL EXISTED! Like most other people, I gave up buying or reading SAM related mags when it became evident that there wasn't anything really left for anyone to write about. You could probably fit everything that's happened in the last five years into one disc-mag. So don't talk fucking stupid. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Oct 9 00:24:01 1999 Message-ID: <002701bf11db$6c1b4620$044c08c3@j4m4p3> From: "David L" To: References: <001301bf0eb1$dda15000$5a4e08c3@j4m4p3> <001101bf0f78$40727bc0$155008c3@j4m4p3> <380279a2.43268578@relay.clara.net> Subject: Re: SAM Community Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 23:21:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 825 Lines: 30 Sod the lot of you ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Whitmore To: Sent: Saturday, October 09, 1999 12:13 AM Subject: Re: SAM Community > On Tue, 5 Oct 1999 22:26:12 +0100 Wed, 6 Oct 99 18:15:46 BST, "David > L" wrote: > > > >> Well with the greatest respect, this is the first I've heard about it... > > > >I suppose it also reffers to the number of people who actually *bothered* to > >subscribe to SAM magazines... WHILE THEY STILL EXISTED! > > Like most other people, I gave up buying or reading SAM related mags > when it became evident that there wasn't anything really left for > anyone to write about. You could probably fit everything that's > happened in the last five years into one disc-mag. So don't talk > fucking stupid. > > > > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Oct 9 00:24:01 1999 Message-ID: <002d01bf11db$7ea33b40$044c08c3@j4m4p3> From: "David L" To: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 23:21:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1 Lines: 1 From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Oct 9 00:29:49 1999 X-Envelope-To: sparticus@clara.co.uk From: "David L" To: Message-ID: <002d01bf11db$7ea33b40$044c08c3@j4m4p3> Subject: unsubscribe Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 23:25:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-UIDL: 939425200.16393.nemesis.clara.net X-RCPT: sparticus X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 4 Lines: 4 From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Oct 9 00:29:49 1999 From: "David L" X-Envelope-To: sparticus@clara.co.uk To: Subject: oops Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 23:25:17 +0100 Message-ID: <38057cb8.44058053@relay.clara.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-UIDL: 939425200.16404.nemesis.clara.net X-RCPT: sparticus X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 61 Lines: 5 I said 'disc!'. People believe me, I didn't mean it. :-) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Oct 9 00:44:24 1999 From: davgw@clara.co.uk (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: unsubscribe Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 23:41:13 GMT Message-ID: <38078109.45163935@relay.clara.net> References: <002d01bf11db$7ea33b40$044c08c3@j4m4p3> In-Reply-To: <002d01bf11db$7ea33b40$044c08c3@j4m4p3> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 196 Lines: 10 On Fri, 8 Oct 1999 23:34:08 +0100 Sat, 9 Oct 99 00:37:26 BST, "David L" wrote: Now that wasn't a sensible way to unsub now - was it? /Some people/???????? Tsk. Dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Oct 9 00:54:46 1999 From: davgw@clara.co.uk (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: unsubscribe Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 23:54:14 GMT Message-ID: <38098336.45721038@relay.clara.net> References: <002d01bf11db$7ea33b40$044c08c3@j4m4p3> In-Reply-To: <002d01bf11db$7ea33b40$044c08c3@j4m4p3> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 400 Lines: 16 On Fri, 8 Oct 1999 23:37:25 +0100 Sat, 9 Oct 99 00:48:21 BST, "David L" wrote: > > > > Just chill, you idiot. Flooding everyone's mailbox with shite isn't gonna get you anywhere! Okay, what would you like me to say then - SORRY? You were shouting in an authoritive tone so I reacted Now do it properly and send your unsub to the right place. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Oct 9 00:59:46 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop3.house Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <38057cb8.44058053@relay.clara.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 00:57:37 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: oops X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 439 Lines: 15 >I said 'disc!'. People believe me, I didn't mean it. :-) What's going on?! Is it just me, or has everybody got about 15 copies of this message so far? And the Recieved: headers are getting longer... Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Oct 9 01:17:03 1999 From: davgw@clara.co.uk (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: oops Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 00:05:51 GMT Message-ID: <380a85ff.46433173@relay.clara.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 504 Lines: 15 On Sat, 9 Oct 1999 00:57:37 +0100 Sat, 9 Oct 99 01:01:13 BST, Andrew Collier wrote: >>I said 'disc!'. People believe me, I didn't mean it. :-) > >What's going on?! Is it just me, or has everybody got about 15 copies of >this message so far? > >And the Recieved: headers are getting longer... No, it's just DL making a complete and utter prat of himself. I didn't mean to upset him, I just didn't like the way he was shouting. So he gets all upset and.. oh this is so tedious. Dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Oct 9 01:17:03 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop3.house Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <38057cb8.44058053@relay.clara.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 01:15:29 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: oops X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 902 Lines: 24 >And the Recieved: headers are getting longer... Received: from bftoemail24.bigfoot.com ([IPv6:::ffff:208.156.39.124]:40715 "HELO bftoemail24.bigfoot.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49352-31503>; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 01:59:26 +0200 Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no ([129.241.210.67]) by bftoemail26.bigfoot.com (Bigfoot Toe Mail v1.0 with message handle 991008_195924_2_bftoemail26_smtp; Fri, 08 Oct 1999 19:59:24 -0500 for sparticus999@bigfoot.com Take a bow, sparticus999@bigfoot.com - yes David L, that's you. Whatever you just did, take it back again. Not funny, not clever. Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Oct 9 01:17:03 1999 From: davgw@clara.co.uk (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: oops Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 00:16:22 GMT Message-ID: <380b8900.47202623@relay.clara.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 373 Lines: 12 On Sat, 9 Oct 1999 00:57:37 +0100 Sat, 9 Oct 99 01:01:13 BST, Andrew Collier wrote: >What's going on?! Is it just me, or has everybody got about 15 copies of >this message so far? > >And the Recieved: headers are getting longer... Then again, I just got two copies of this one. Some people are gonna be unpleased when they get all this crap. :-/ Dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Oct 9 02:12:54 1999 Message-ID: <00e201bf11f3$275266a0$410bf0d4@chris> From: "Chris White" To: References: Subject: Think the Mail relay has gone mad (nt) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 02:10:54 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2 Lines: 2 From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Oct 9 02:18:06 1999 Message-ID: <007d01bf11f3$f56f4b20$64a5fea9@simcooke3> From: "Simon Cooke" To: References: <38057cb8.44058053@relay.clara.net> Subject: Re: oops Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 18:16:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 263 Lines: 10 > Take a bow, sparticus999@bigfoot.com - yes David L, that's you. > > Whatever you just did, take it back again. Not funny, not clever. > > Andrew I just faked an unsub message from my account as Sparticus999 to try and remove him. we'll see if it works. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Oct 9 02:29:50 1999 Message-ID: <00bc01bf11f5$85759ac0$64a5fea9@simcooke3> From: "Simon Cooke" To: "samusers" Cc: "Chris White" , "Dave Whitmore" , "Andrew Collier" Subject: Outta here... Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 18:27:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 80 Lines: 3 I'm unsubbing... this is crazy!!!!! Someone email me when it's back to normal. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Oct 9 02:40:24 1999 Message-ID: <011601bf11f6$dafe7740$410bf0d4@chris> From: "Chris White" To: References: <38057cb8.44058053@relay.clara.net> <007d01bf11f3$f56f4b20$64a5fea9@simcooke3> Subject: Re: Simons oops Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 02:37:16 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 567 Lines: 32 Well @ least i know my mail package is working and all my account for that matter :) C PS. It didn't work ----- Original Message ----- From: Simon Cooke To: Sent: Saturday, October 09, 1999 2:16 AM Subject: Re: oops > > Take a bow, sparticus999@bigfoot.com - yes David L, that's you. > > > > Whatever you just did, take it back again. Not funny, not clever. > > > > Andrew > > I just faked an unsub message from my account as Sparticus999 to try and > remove him. we'll see if it works. > > Simon > > > > > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Oct 9 09:34:35 1999 Message-Id: <199910090829.EAA17696@msuacad.morehead-st.edu> From: "James R Curry" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 03:32:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Erk! X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01d) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 199 Lines: 8 Well, that was.. erm.. "fun". Is everyone still with us? -- James R Curry - James@curry.com "The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!" The OFFICIAL James R Curry Webpage is at http://www.lhutz.demon.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Oct 9 10:33:05 1999 Message-ID: <00f501bf127c$45cef920$d515ac3e@default> From: "Robert Wilkinson" To: "Sam Usergroup" Subject: Re what! Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 10:31:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 34 Lines: 6 I hate repeats. Bob Wilkinson From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Oct 9 10:37:19 1999 Message-Id: <199910090932.FAA18649@msuacad.morehead-st.edu> From: "James R Curry" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 04:36:08 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re what! In-reply-to: <00f501bf127c$45cef920$d515ac3e@default> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01d) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 468 Lines: 18 From: "Robert Wilkinson" To: "Sam Usergroup" Subject: Re what! Date sent: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 10:31:28 -0700 Send reply to: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > I hate repeats. > > > Bob Wilkinson Each of those messages was "Another chance to see..." -- James R Curry - James@curry.com "The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!" The OFFICIAL James R Curry Webpage is at http://www.lhutz.demon.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Oct 9 11:22:04 1999 From: davgw@clara.co.uk (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Erk! Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 10:21:18 GMT Message-ID: <380016dd.1000987@relay.clara.net> References: <199910090829.EAA17696@msuacad.morehead-st.edu> In-Reply-To: <199910090829.EAA17696@msuacad.morehead-st.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 222 Lines: 13 On Sat, 9 Oct 1999 03:32:54 +0000 Sat, 9 Oct 99 11:13:00 BST, "James R Curry" wrote: >Well, that was.. erm.. "fun". Yeah, I thought it'd never stop. >Is everyone still with us? Good question. Dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Oct 9 12:23:03 1999 From: "Johnna Teare" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:27:41 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Erk! In-reply-to: <380016dd.1000987@relay.clara.net> References: <199910090829.EAA17696@msuacad.morehead-st.edu> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 248 Lines: 8 That took me back... ..to the days of who is west coast / SamSon / samsboss debates... Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk ICQ: 48928093 "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Oct 9 12:45:59 1999 From: "Johnna Teare" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:50:59 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Erk! References: <380016dd.1000987@relay.clara.net> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 538 Lines: 23 On 9 Oct 99, at 12:27, Johnna Teare wrote: > That took me back... > > ..to the days of who is west coast / SamSon / samsboss debates... By mtaht I meant cas of th 100+ something dowloaded mails... > Peace, Love and Kisses, > JohnnaPig Teare > http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk > ICQ: 48928093 > "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." > Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk ICQ: 48928093 "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Oct 9 15:12:30 1999 From: "David Laundon" To: Subject: RE: Erk! Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 15:12:17 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 43 Lines: 3 Well, I'm glad that's over! David Laundon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Oct 9 15:12:30 1999 From: "David Laundon" To: Subject: RE: Erk! Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 15:12:58 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 43 Lines: 3 Well, I'm glad that's over! David Laundon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Oct 9 15:17:55 1999 From: "David Laundon" To: Subject: RE: Erk! Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 15:13:25 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 60 Lines: 5 > Well, I'm glad that's over! > > David Laundon Sorry ;-) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Oct 9 18:58:03 1999 Message-ID: <007901bf127e$8c43dc20$b4c548c2@chris--pc.> From: "Chris Pile" To: "Sam Users Group" Subject: What The Hell Is Going On? Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 18:48:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 352 Lines: 9 Can someone please tell me what's going on? I've just had to wait while 115, yes *115* messages downloded and they're nearly all the bloody same... Is some server set in an infinite loop re-sending the same messages to SAM Users? I don't fancy loggin on in a few hours only to have to download *thousands* of versions of the same message... Chris. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Oct 9 21:00:46 1999 Message-Id: <199910091956.PAA10131@msuacad.morehead-st.edu> From: "James R Curry" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 14:59:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: What The Hell Is Going On? In-reply-to: <007901bf127e$8c43dc20$b4c548c2@chris--pc.> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01d) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 882 Lines: 24 From: "Chris Pile" To: "Sam Users Group" Subject: What The Hell Is Going On? Date sent: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 18:48:09 +0100 Send reply to: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Can someone please tell me what's going on? > > I've just had to wait while 115, yes *115* messages downloded and they're nearly all the bloody same... > > Is some server set in an infinite loop re-sending the same messages to SAM Users? > > I don't fancy loggin on in a few hours only to have to download *thousands* of versions of the same message... > > Chris. > I think that someone set a bigfoot address to point to sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no and then subscribed the thing to sam-users. -- James R Curry - James@curry.com "The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!" The OFFICIAL James R Curry Webpage is at http://www.lhutz.demon.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Oct 10 00:02:54 1999 Message-ID: <000201bf12aa$220bc440$0aa2edc1@pre-installedco> From: "Jonathan Bristow" To: Subject: Re: What The Hell Is Going On? Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 19:44:04 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 932 Lines: 32 Reverbarations about to take place (After tremors in the form of multiple complaints!) hehe Nothing todo with me but i thought i'd been mail bombed! but when i realised it was the SAM-USER mail-list, i thought that had been bombed, so what is really going on then? Fortunately for the group, i DON'T KNOW how to cut out of this newsgroup, so i'll keep hanging in here. Respect Twilighte -----Original Message----- From: Chris Pile To: Sam Users Group Date: 09 October 1999 19:00 Subject: What The Hell Is Going On? :Can someone please tell me what's going on? : :I've just had to wait while 115, yes *115* messages downloded and they're nearly all the bloody same... : :Is some server set in an infinite loop re-sending the same messages to SAM Users? : :I don't fancy loggin on in a few hours only to have to download *thousands* of versions of the same message... : :Chris. : From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Oct 10 12:11:09 1999 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) From: "Mr Samsboss" Subject: Re: Erk! To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 12:10:18 +0100 X-Postmaster: Sent from Postmaster http://www.postmaster.co.uk/, the world's premier free web-based email service, based in London, England. X-Postmaster-Trace: Account name: samsboss; Local time: Sun Oct 10 12:10:18 1999; Local host: saraghina.postmaster.co.uk; Remote host: 212.57.32.233; Referer site: www.postmaster.co.uk X-Complaints-To: Administrator@postmaster.co.uk Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 129 Lines: 12 > Well, that was.. erm.. "fun". > > Is everyone still with us? Yes. -- -- Samsboss - The One And Only. Accept No Others. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Oct 10 12:14:53 1999 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) From: "Mr Samsboss" Subject: Re: What The Hell Is Going On? To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 12:14:00 +0100 X-Postmaster: Sent from Postmaster http://www.postmaster.co.uk/, the world's premier free web-based email service, based in London, England. X-Postmaster-Trace: Account name: samsboss; Local time: Sun Oct 10 12:14:00 1999; Local host: daphne.postmaster.co.uk; Remote host: 212.57.32.233; Referer site: www.postmaster.co.uk X-Complaints-To: Administrator@postmaster.co.uk Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 573 Lines: 18 > Reverbarations about to take place (After tremors in the form of multiple > complaints!) hehe > Nothing todo with me but i thought i'd been mail bombed! but when i realised > it was the SAM-USER mail-list, i thought that had been bombed, so what is > really going on then? > > Fortunately for the group, i DON'T KNOW how to cut out of this newsgroup, so > i'll keep hanging in here. > My inbox gives me 48 messages from the SAM mailing list since Tuesday. That looks about normal. What did everyone else get? -- -- Samsboss - The One And Only. Accept No Others. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Oct 10 12:45:44 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop3.house Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 12:44:21 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: What The Hell Is Going On? X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 444 Lines: 15 At 12:15 pm +0100 10/10/99, Mr Samsboss wrote: >My inbox gives me 48 messages from the SAM mailing list since Tuesday. >That looks about normal. What did everyone else get? 138 - now sod off again, clone. Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Oct 10 12:50:26 1999 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) From: "Mr Samsboss" Subject: Re: What The Hell Is Going On? To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 12:49:22 +0100 X-Postmaster: Sent from Postmaster http://www.postmaster.co.uk/, the world's premier free web-based email service, based in London, England. X-Postmaster-Trace: Account name: samsboss; Local time: Sun Oct 10 12:49:22 1999; Local host: daphne.postmaster.co.uk; Remote host: 212.57.32.233; Referer site: www.postmaster.co.uk X-Complaints-To: Administrator@postmaster.co.uk Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 350 Lines: 16 > At 12:15 pm +0100 10/10/99, Mr Samsboss wrote: > > >My inbox gives me 48 messages from the SAM mailing list since Tuesday. > >That looks about normal. What did everyone else get? > > 138 - now sod off again, clone. > Got out the wrong side of the bed again? And my name is not Dolly :) -- -- Samsboss - The One And Only. Accept No Others. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Oct 10 13:02:35 1999 Message-ID: <38007FE3.1CE5@clara.net> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 13:00:35 +0100 From: Gordon Wallis Organization: HEXdidn't... X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: What The Hell Is Going On? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 859 Lines: 27 Mr Samsboss wrote: > > > At 12:15 pm +0100 10/10/99, Mr Samsboss wrote: > > > > >My inbox gives me 48 messages from the SAM mailing list since Tuesday. > > >That looks about normal. What did everyone else get? > > > > 138 - now sod off again, clone. > > > Got out the wrong side of the bed again? > It's nothing that should worry you. No doubt you've killfiled all the relevant people... > And my name is not Dolly :) > I'd hazard a guess that many here think you might be on 'personal' terms with her, though ;-) Gordon - One Of Three Currently Known Clones (or so I'm told) Accept Any Of 'Em, I Don't Give A Damn. -- < The HEXdidn't... Homepage: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < ------ Featuring The U.K. Policenauts Homepage ------ > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< http://www.hexdidnt.clara.net > \---------- AOL Instant Messenger: 'hexdidnt' ----------/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Oct 10 13:33:01 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop3.house Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 13:30:39 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: What The Hell Is Going On? X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 744 Lines: 25 >> At 12:15 pm +0100 10/10/99, Mr Samsboss wrote: >> >> >My inbox gives me 48 messages from the SAM mailing list since Tuesday. >> >That looks about normal. What did everyone else get? >> >> 138 - now sod off again, clone. >> >Got out the wrong side of the bed again? > >And my name is not Dolly :) No, and it isn't Mr Samsboss either. If you want to participate in this community, you can do it with your own name. And until you do, I'll continue treating you as though you don't deserve to be among us. Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Oct 10 15:53:30 1999 From: "Johnna Teare" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 15:59:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: What The Hell Is Going On? In-reply-to: References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 715 Lines: 31 On 10 Oct 99, at 12:44, Andrew Collier wrote: > At 12:15 pm +0100 10/10/99, Mr Samsboss wrote: > > >My inbox gives me 48 messages from the SAM mailing list since Tuesday. > >That looks about normal. What did everyone else get? > > 138 - now sod off again, clone. Steady. He was only asking. > > Andrew > > -- > -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other > -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a > -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file > -- > > > Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk ICQ: 48928093 "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Oct 10 20:41:53 1999 Message-ID: <006501bf1357$23c72740$0aa2edc1@pre-installedco> From: "Jonathan Bristow" To: Subject: Re: What The Hell Is Going On? Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 20:11:10 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 439 Lines: 15 :If you want to participate in this community, you can do it with your own :name. And until you do, I'll continue treating you as though you don't :deserve to be among us. Steady ye Wild Bore, all of us go under pseudonyms at one time or another throughout our lives. One cannot prejudice a person just because of his name-sake, can one? Unless his crime is the missing agenda (or the wig behind the cloak! hehe)? Respect Twilightus From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Oct 10 21:16:19 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop3.house Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <006501bf1357$23c72740$0aa2edc1@pre-installedco> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 21:14:59 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: What The Hell Is Going On? X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 991 Lines: 27 >:If you want to participate in this community, you can do it with your own >:name. And until you do, I'll continue treating you as though you don't >:deserve to be among us. > >Steady ye Wild Bore, all of us go under pseudonyms at one time or another >throughout our lives. One cannot prejudice a person just because of his >name-sake, can one? Not as such, no. But we can prejudice against a person because of his past actions, attitudes, his antisocial and destructive behaviour. Samsboss has a history with this mailing list going back a few years, and it's not pretty. If he isn't prepared to behave himself now then I don't welcome him back. >Unless his crime is the missing agenda (or the wig behind the cloak! hehe)? ;) You'd be surprised... Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Oct 11 00:24:41 1999 (SMTPD32-5.05) id AEAA1C3D030E; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 19:18:02 -0400 Message-ID: <38011F91.7CE6D26B@unbounded.com> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 00:21:53 +0100 From: Gavin Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Erk! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 581 Lines: 23 Mr Samsboss wrote: > > > Well, that was.. erm.. "fun". > > > > Is everyone still with us? > > Yes. > > -- > -- > Samsboss - The One And Only. > Accept No Others. Oh for f*ck's sake, you're all we need now. Bob, stop being a twat, we know your Bob Brenchley, you've been writing to people personally on this list - I know, I've been speaking to them! So don't start all this again, it's old and boring. And does your reappearance mean Format is going to return, and all that unpaid money, all those undelivered goods, are finally going to be processed? I thought not... Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Oct 11 00:46:29 1999 Message-ID: <009901bf1379$5496c200$410bf0d4@chris> From: "Chris White" To: References: <38011F91.7CE6D26B@unbounded.com> Subject: Re: Erk! Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 00:44:01 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 354 Lines: 12 > Oh for f*ck's sake, you're all we need now. Bob, stop being a twat, we > know your Bob Brenchley, you've been writing to people personally on > this list - I know, I've been speaking to them! So don't start all this > again, it's old and boring. Do these peep's want 2 raise thier hands , and help but an end 2 all this before its start's again C From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Oct 11 07:51:51 1999 From: Frode Tenneboe Message-Id: <199910110650.IAA11512@asmal.edh.ericsson.se> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 08:50:40 +0200 (MET DST) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re[2]: What The Hell Is Going On? In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.3.4-990920-sol MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id HAA13224 Status: RO Content-Length: 943 Lines: 32 Andrew Collier wrote: > At 12:15 pm +0100 10/10/99, Mr Samsboss wrote: > > >My inbox gives me 48 messages from the SAM mailing list since Tuesday. > >That looks about normal. What did everyone else get? > > 138 - now sod off again, clone. I had 925 messages and I'm still suffering the aftermath. Could someone please tell me who sparticus999@bigfoot.com is? Regards, -Frode > > Andrew > > -- > -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other > -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a > -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file > -- > > -- ^ Frode Tennebø | email: ft@edh.ericsson.se ^ | Ericsson Radar AS. | Isebakkeveien 49 | | Phone: +47 69 21 41 47 | N-1788 Halden | | with Standard.Disclaimer; use Standard.Disclaimer; | From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Oct 11 09:44:59 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BFCDBB8E@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: Lost Games Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 09:49:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 294 Lines: 11 The wroters of SimCoupe have a new project now, then! :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Hooper [SMTP:dave@pie-and-chips.freeserve.co.uk] > > What would I do with it, though? Sim Coupe doesn't support .tap files and > I > can't convert the audio into a .dsk file ... ? > > dave > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Oct 11 12:13:41 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop3.house Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199910110650.IAA11512@asmal.edh.ericsson.se> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 08:35:22 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re[2]: What The Hell Is Going On? X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 372 Lines: 14 At 8:00 am +0100 11/10/99, Frode Tenneboe wrote: > Could >someone please tell me who sparticus999@bigfoot.com is? It's David Ledbury. Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Oct 11 12:20:39 1999 Message-ID: <006301bf13da$f7abe860$0d0c883e@freeserve> From: "michael sleight" To: "sam user" Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 12:22:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 12 Lines: 1 unsubscribe From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Oct 11 13:04:34 1999 X-sendmail-revision: 19-Sep-1999 (24) by ant@tissoft.co.uk Message-ID: <00b301bf13e0$653b2440$3701a8c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> From: "Nick Humphries" To: Subject: Fw: Guestbook warning Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 13:01:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1087 Lines: 25 *** FORWARD FAR AND WIDE - COULD BE IMPORTANT *** Hi y'all, Just discovered that someone's tried to sabotage my guestbook by using a bit of rogue Javascript. As far as I can see, the person tried to create a link that, when clicked, would spawn an infinite number of unresizable browser windows that are 640x480 pointing to microsoft.com, and would inevitably crash anyone's computer. Fortunately, the guestbook cgi script I use appears to have stripped out all "<" and ">" characters to prevent this from happening - I'm emailling you this so that you can test yours to make certain that this is also the case for you. There has recently been yet another flame war on comp.sys.sinclair about people using Javascript and/or a special MSIE version of their webpages, and my views have got a bit of flak from various people, so any of those people may have decided to try and make a point. If anyone wants to see what this person tried to do, take a look at: http://www.the-den.clara.net/gb/guestbook1.htm It could have been nasty had the guestbook script not been a safe one. From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Mon Oct 11 14:09:11 1999 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 14:09:11 +0100 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Fw: Guestbook warning Message-ID: <19991011140911.C10721@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no References: <00b301bf13e0$653b2440$3701a8c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <00b301bf13e0$653b2440$3701a8c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk>; from Nick Humphries on Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 01:01:47PM +0100 Status: RO Content-Length: 255 Lines: 8 On Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 01:01:47PM +0100, Nick Humphries wrote: > Just discovered that someone's tried to sabotage my guestbook by using a bit of > rogue Javascript. One of many reasons why I refuse to have Javascript turned on in my web browser... imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Oct 11 14:41:10 1999 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 15:37:05 +0200 (MET DST) From: Aley Keprt To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Lost games In-Reply-To: <199910090829.EAA17696@msuacad.morehead-st.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 373 Lines: 10 I have F16 Playable demo on DSK. Does someone really want this stuff? ---------------------------------------------------------------- Aley [eili] Keprt - student, programmer (multimedia soft. etc.) phone: +420-68-538 70 35 e-mail: AleyKeprt@bigfoot.com *** http://get.to/aley ---------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Oct 11 14:41:10 1999 (SMTPD32-5.05) id A772305027E; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 09:34:42 -0400 Message-ID: <3801E853.F1727B34@unbounded.com> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 14:38:28 +0100 From: Gavin Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: What The Hell Is Going On? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 278 Lines: 14 Andrew Collier wrote: > > At 8:00 am +0100 11/10/99, Frode Tenneboe wrote: > > Could > >someone please tell me who sparticus999@bigfoot.com is? > > It's David Ledbury. > > Andrew I don't think he meant to do what he did though - I think it was just a stupid mistake. Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Oct 11 15:00:14 1999 (SMTPD32-5.05) id AA2C48601F6; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 09:46:20 -0400 Message-ID: <3801EB0F.BF004E2B@unbounded.com> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 14:50:08 +0100 From: Gavin Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Lost games References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 260 Lines: 10 Aley Keprt wrote: > > I have F16 Playable demo on DSK. > Does someone really want this stuff? Yes indeedy! If you could email it to me *off the list* I'd be ever so grateful! Or can you stick it on NVG or somewhere we can all get at it? Pleasy weasy? Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Oct 11 15:00:14 1999 X-sendmail-revision: 19-Sep-1999 (24) by ant@tissoft.co.uk Message-ID: <014401bf13ef$ce420d50$3701a8c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> From: "Nick Humphries" To: Subject: Re: What The Hell Is Going On? Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 14:52:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 266 Lines: 7 ISTR a post on here during the flood from Simon Cooke which said he'd faked a post using his Sparticus account to unsub David L. From that moment on, things went tits up, during which Simon unsubbed to avoid. Time to email him to tell him everything's fixed. Nick From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Oct 11 15:00:14 1999 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 15:55:18 +0200 (MET DST) From: Aley Keprt To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Lost games In-Reply-To: <3801EB0F.BF004E2B@unbounded.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 676 Lines: 20 On Mon, 11 Oct 1999, Gavin Smith wrote: > Aley Keprt wrote: > > > > I have F16 Playable demo on DSK. > > Does someone really want this stuff? > > Yes indeedy! If you could email it to me *off the list* I'd be ever so > grateful! Or can you stick it on NVG or somewhere we can all get at it? > Pleasy weasy? > > Gavin I would upload it to NVG. But is there a free space? ---------------------------------------------------------------- Aley [eili] Keprt - student, programmer (multimedia soft. etc.) phone: +420-68-538 70 35 e-mail: AleyKeprt@bigfoot.com *** http://get.to/aley ---------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Oct 11 15:20:10 1999 From: Frode Tenneboe Message-Id: <199910111410.QAA12126@asmal.edh.ericsson.se> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:10:26 +0200 (MET DST) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re[2]: Lost games In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.3.4-990920-sol MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id PAA23662 Status: RO Content-Length: 406 Lines: 15 Aley Keprt wrote: > > I would upload it to NVG. But is there a free space? Yes. -Frode > -- ^ Frode Tennebø | email: ft@edh.ericsson.se ^ | Ericsson Radar AS. | Isebakkeveien 49 | | Phone: +47 69 21 41 47 | N-1788 Halden | | with Standard.Disclaimer; use Standard.Disclaimer; | From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Oct 11 15:20:10 1999 From: Frode Tenneboe Message-Id: <199910111411.QAA12134@asmal.edh.ericsson.se> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:11:49 +0200 (MET DST) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re[2]: What The Hell Is Going On? In-Reply-To: <014401bf13ef$ce420d50$3701a8c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.3.4-990920-sol MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id PAA23661 Status: RO Content-Length: 668 Lines: 16 "Nick Humphries" wrote: > ISTR a post on here during the flood from Simon Cooke which said he'd faked a > post using his Sparticus account to unsub David L. From that moment on, things > went tits up, during which Simon unsubbed to avoid. Time to email him to tell > him everything's fixed. Simon is already here, but sparticus was never unsubscribed. -Frode -- ^ Frode Tennebø | email: ft@edh.ericsson.se ^ | Ericsson Radar AS. | Isebakkeveien 49 | | Phone: +47 69 21 41 47 | N-1788 Halden | | with Standard.Disclaimer; use Standard.Disclaimer; | From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Oct 11 18:11:11 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop3.house Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <014401bf13ef$ce420d50$3701a8c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 15:30:46 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: What The Hell Is Going On? X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 923 Lines: 23 >ISTR a post on here during the flood from Simon Cooke which said he'd faked a >post using his Sparticus account to unsub David L. From that moment on, things >went tits up, during which Simon unsubbed to avoid. Time to email him to tell >him everything's fixed. Already have done. Note - Simon tried to unsubscribe the address sparticus999@bigfoot.com because that's where the mail loop was occuring (cause and effect - Simon didn't cause the problem, he was attempting to fix it). The sparticus999 address is one which David Ledbury has posted from. It appears that he, either through malevolence or incompetence, set that address to redirect all sam-users mail back to sam-users. Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Oct 11 19:41:18 1999 From: sparicus999@bigfoot.com To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:38:31 GMT Message-ID: <3802207f.1941556@mail.clara.net> X-Mailer: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 12 Lines: 1 unsubscribe From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Oct 11 19:50:20 1999 From: sparticus999@bigfoot.com (Me) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:48:01 GMT Message-ID: <380222ae.2500719@mail.clara.net> X-Mailer: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 12 Lines: 1 unsubscribe From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Oct 11 21:13:58 1999 Message-ID: <004001bf1424$b0aeff20$795208c3@trout> From: "Colin Piggot" To: Subject: Re: What The Hell Is Going On? Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 21:10:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 436 Lines: 13 >The sparticus999 address is one which David Ledbury has posted from. It >appears that he, either through malevolence or incompetence, set that >address to redirect all sam-users mail back to sam-users. > >Andrew I recieved an email from David L - he says it was an accident that he messed up a mail filter that bounced stuff back to the list and he stopped it as soon as he realised what was happening. Colin P. -- quazar@clara.net From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Oct 12 01:51:01 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop3.house Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <380222ae.2500719@mail.clara.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 22:35:57 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Cc: sparticus999@bigfoot.com X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 359 Lines: 14 At 10:00 pm +0100 11/10/99, Me wrote: >unsubscribe send it to sam-users-request@nvg.ntnu.no ^^^^^^^^ Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Oct 12 09:41:58 1999 X-sendmail-revision: 19-Sep-1999 (24) by ant@tissoft.co.uk Message-ID: <020401bf148d$7cfb2000$3701a8c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> From: "Nick Humphries" To: Subject: Re: What The Hell Is Going On? Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 09:40:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 652 Lines: 20 From: Andrew Collier >>ISTR a post on here during the flood from Simon Cooke which said he'd faked a >>post using his Sparticus account to unsub David L. From that moment on, things >>went tits up, during which Simon unsubbed to avoid. Time to email him to tell >>him everything's fixed. > >Already have done. > >Note - Simon tried to unsubscribe the address sparticus999@bigfoot.com >because that's where the mail loop was occuring (cause and effect - Simon >didn't cause the problem, he was attempting to fix it). Fair enough - amongst all the spam it was easy to lose track of exactly what happened. Apologies to Simon. Nick From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Oct 12 11:10:00 1999 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) From: "Mr Samsboss" Subject: Re: What The Hell Is Going On? To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 11:07:02 +0100 X-Postmaster: Sent from Postmaster http://www.postmaster.co.uk/, the world's premier free web-based email service, based in London, England. X-Postmaster-Trace: Account name: samsboss; Local time: Tue Oct 12 11:07:02 1999; Local host: sobek.postmaster.co.uk; Remote host: 212.57.32.194; Referer site: www.postmaster.co.uk X-Complaints-To: Administrator@postmaster.co.uk Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 280 Lines: 16 > Mr Samsboss wrote: > ...... > > > And my name is not Dolly :) > > > I'd hazard a guess that many here think you might be on 'personal' terms > with her, though ;-) > Not Welsh, not at uni anymore, so not into sheep. -- -- Samsboss - The One And Only. Accept No Others. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Oct 12 15:32:02 1999 (SMTPD32-5.05) id A470124028A; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 10:23:44 -0400 Message-ID: <38034564.966FF7B8@unbounded.com> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 15:27:47 +0100 From: Gavin Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: What The Hell Is Going On? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 207 Lines: 12 Mr Samsboss wrote: > Not Welsh, not at uni anymore, so not into sheep. > > -- > -- > Samsboss - The One And Only. > Accept No Others. You said you never went to Uni :) Check the archives *snigger* Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Oct 12 19:00:11 1999 Message-ID: <38037572.1BEC@clara.net> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 18:52:50 +0100 From: Gordon Wallis Organization: HEXdidn't... X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: What The Hell Is Going On? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 665 Lines: 20 Mr Samsboss wrote: > > ...... > > > > > And my name is not Dolly :) > > > > > I'd hazard a guess that many here think you might be on 'personal' terms > > with her, though ;-) > > > Not Welsh, not at uni anymore, so not into sheep. > Oooh. Harsh generalisations in a pointless riposte. At least we know you are _a_ Samsboss, even if we can't be sure which one. Gord. (the teensiest fraction Welsh. (The manic-depressive bit)) -- < The HEXdidn't... Homepage: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < ------ Featuring The U.K. Policenauts Homepage ------ > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< http://www.hexdidnt.clara.net > \---------- AOL Instant Messenger: 'hexdidnt' ----------/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Oct 12 19:11:35 1999 From: "Johnna Teare" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 19:08:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Lost games In-reply-to: <3801EB0F.BF004E2B@unbounded.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 518 Lines: 25 On 11 Oct 99, at 14:50, Gavin Smith wrote: > Aley Keprt wrote: > > > > I have F16 Playable demo on DSK. > > Does someone really want this stuff? > > Yes indeedy! If you could email it to me *off the list* I'd be ever so > grateful! Or can you stick it on NVG or somewhere we can all get at it? > Pleasy weasy? Me too. Please. Cheers... > > Gavin > Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk ICQ: 48928093 "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Oct 12 19:40:43 1999 Message-ID: <008901bf14e1$5eadaa60$8f3eac3e@karvic> From: "karvic" To: Subject: UK Adventurers Convention Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 18:23:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0028_01BF14DE.D888C340" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 7337 Lines: 175 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01BF14DE.D888C340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have been asked to forward the details of the above event to you by = David L (daveykins@theoffice.net) so please see below. The Tenth Anniversary Adventurer`s Convention The Royal Angus Thistle Hotel, Birmingham, Saturday, 30th October, 1999, = 9am to 6pm. Well - who'd have thought that we'd still be going strong after 10 = years! As usual the convention will run from 9am on the Saturday until 6pm and = will still cover all formats. Tables will be available if you wish to = bring your own computer, and we actively encourage this, so the more the = merrier! You are welcome to bring along software/hardware for sale too, = although no pirated software please. Adventurers come from all over the country, including Northern Ireland, = and the atmosphere is very friendly and informal. Many of us stay = overnight at the hotel and the Friday and Saturday evenings are just as = lively and entertaining as the Convention itself. We still haven't = managed to attract anyone from outside the UK but we are still living in = hope! During the day we have the popular Megapoints competition running in = which contestants get 20 minutes playing time at a specially written = text adventure, with the object of scoring as many points as possible in = the allotted time. There are usually cash prizes and certificates for = the 3 highest scorers. (Well everyone says we should be certified!) The = game this year is being written by Edwina Brown, and the only = information we have is that it will celebrate our 10th Anniversary. Tickets are available now, and in honour of our anniversary, the price = has been lowered to =A35 per person. See details below for obtaining = them. The Royal Angus Thistle Hotel has again given us special room rates for = those attending. These include full English breakfast and are:- Single = Room =A340 per person per night, and Double Room or Twin =A335 per = person per night. Please contact the Hotel direct to book your rooms - = the address is The Royal Angus Thistle Hotel, St Chad's, Queensway, = Birmingham B4 6HY, telephone 0121 236 4211 and we would suggest that you = book early. Make sure you tell the Hotel that you are attending the = Adventurers Convention otherwise the room prices are about double the = above! If you have any queries about the convention, or would like to reserve = tables for hardware or software please contact either Larry Horsfield or = Karen Tyers: email: Larry - alaric@larryhorsfield.demon.co.uk Karen - karvic@btinternet.com Do come and join us, even if only for the Saturday. If you've never been = before, you'll have a great time, and maybe you'll at last be able to = put faces to those names you've only heard about, and you'll certainly = go home with a lot of new friends. If you have been before, but perhaps = only to the earlier conventions, you'll be able to renew old = friendships. We'll look forward to seeing you there. ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01BF14DE.D888C340 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have been asked to forward the details of the = above event to=20 you by David L (daveykins@theoffice.net) so = please see=20 below.
 

The Tenth Anniversary Adventurer`s=20 Convention

The Royal Angus Thistle Hotel, Birmingham, Saturday, 30th October, = 1999, 9am=20 to 6pm.

 

Well – who’d have thought that we’d = still be going strong after=20 10 years!

As usual the convention will run from 9am on the Saturday until 6pm = and will=20 still cover all formats. Tables will be available if you wish to bring = your own=20 computer, and we actively encourage this, so the more the merrier! You = are=20 welcome to bring along software/hardware for sale too, although no = pirated=20 software please.

Adventurers come from all over the country, including Northern = Ireland, and=20 the atmosphere is very friendly and informal. Many of us stay overnight = at the=20 hotel and the Friday and Saturday evenings are just as lively and = entertaining=20 as the Convention itself. We still haven’t managed to attract = anyone from=20 outside the UK but we are still living in hope!

During the day we have the popular Megapoints competition running in = which=20 contestants get 20 minutes playing time at a specially written text = adventure,=20 with the object of scoring as many points as possible in the allotted = time.=20 There are usually cash prizes and certificates for the 3 highest = scorers. (Well=20 everyone says we should be certified!) The game this year is being = written by=20 Edwina Brown, and the only information we have is that it will celebrate = our=20 10th Anniversary.

Tickets are available now, and in honour of our anniversary, the = price has=20 been lowered to =A35 per person. See details below for obtaining = them.

The Royal Angus Thistle Hotel has again given us special room rates = for those=20 attending. These include full English breakfast and are:- Single Room = =A340 per=20 person per night, and Double Room or Twin =A335 per person per night. = Please=20 contact the Hotel direct to book your rooms - the address is The Royal = Angus=20 Thistle Hotel, St Chad’s, Queensway, Birmingham B4 6HY, telephone = 0121 236 4211=20 and we would suggest that you book early. Make sure you tell the Hotel = that you=20 are attending the Adventurers Convention otherwise the room prices are = about=20 double the above!

If you have any queries about the convention, or would like to = reserve tables=20 for hardware or software please contact either Larry Horsfield or Karen=20 Tyers:

email: Larry – alaric@larryhorsfield.demon.co.uk

Karen – karvic@btinternet.com

Do come and join us, even if only for the Saturday. If you’ve = never been=20 before, you’ll have a great time, and maybe you’ll at last = be able to put faces=20 to those names you’ve only heard about, and you’ll certainly = go home with a lot=20 of new friends. If you have been before, but perhaps only to the earlier = conventions, you’ll be able to renew old friendships. We’ll = look forward to=20 seeing you there.

------=_NextPart_000_0028_01BF14DE.D888C340-- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Oct 12 23:51:17 1999 Message-ID: <002701bf14f6$539be820$8a45883e@freeserve> From: "michael sleight" To: "sam user" Subject: 'iss off Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 22:11:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 8 Lines: 1 bye bye From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Oct 13 11:18:40 1999 Message-ID: <000b01bf15a7$35976820$71418cd4@default> From: "Robert Wilkinson" To: "Sam Usergroup" Subject: Testing Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 11:17:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 8 Lines: 1 testing From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Wed Oct 13 13:43:11 1999 Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 13:43:11 +0100 From: Ian Collier To: Sam Usergroup Subject: Re: Testing Message-ID: <19991013134311.D12906@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Sam Usergroup References: <000b01bf15a7$35976820$71418cd4@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <000b01bf15a7$35976820$71418cd4@default>; from Robert Wilkinson on Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 11:17:28AM -0700 Status: RO Content-Length: 137 Lines: 6 On Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 11:17:28AM -0700, Robert Wilkinson wrote: > testing Your test failed because your clock is out by 8 hours. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Oct 13 19:39:56 1999 Message-ID: <000601bf15ea$59acf160$c6468cd4@default> From: "Robert Wilkinson" To: Subject: Re: Testing Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 19:16:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 604 Lines: 24 According to the reply you made to my test. My clock is right. Your message to me is the wrong time. I sent the message at approx the time stated below, so how could you get it, and reply before I sent it. My PC clock is set right.... So what clock are you talking about. Bob Wilkinson. -----Original Message----- From: Ian Collier To: Sam Usergroup Date: 13 October 1999 05:50 Subject: Re: Testing >On Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 11:17:28AM -0700, Robert Wilkinson wrote: >> testing > >Your test failed because your clock is out by 8 hours. > >imc > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Oct 13 20:04:24 1999 Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 19:45:30 +0100 (BST) From: Robert Brady To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Testing In-Reply-To: <000601bf15ea$59acf160$c6468cd4@default> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 559 Lines: 22 On Wed, 13 Oct 1999, Robert Wilkinson wrote: > According to the reply you made to my test. My clock is right. > Your message to me is the wrong time. > I sent the message at approx the time stated below, so how could you get it, > and reply before I sent it. > > My PC clock is set right.... So what clock are you talking about. > > > Bob Wilkinson. This message of yours, that I am now replying to had the header line : Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 19:16:39 -0700 which is about 8 hours in the future. i.e. you should fix your timezone!! -- Robert From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Oct 13 20:27:13 1999 From: "Maria Rookyard" To: "SAM Users Mailing List" Subject: Re: What The Hell Is Going On? Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 20:23:49 +0100 Message-ID: <01bf15b0$7a1224a0$LocalHost@register> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 189 Lines: 9 Oh ha bloody ha, excuse me while I split my sides laughing at your rapier-like wit. >Not Welsh, not at uni anymore, so not into sheep. > >Samsboss - The One And Only. >Accept No Others. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Oct 13 20:59:16 1999 Message-ID: <000601bf15b5$6088b8a0$731dac3e@default> From: "Robert Wilkinson" To: Subject: Re: Testing Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 20:57:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 312 Lines: 13 >This message of yours, that I am now replying to had the header line : > > Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 19:16:39 -0700 > > which is about 8 hours in the future. > >i.e. you should fix your timezone!! Time Zone fixed... Thanks. The time was still right as reported. Just the time zone was wrong. Bob Wilkinson. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Oct 13 22:59:51 1999 Message-ID: <3804FC82.17B1@clara.net> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 22:41:22 +0100 From: Gordon Wallis Organization: HEXdidn't... X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Stupid suggestion Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 801 Lines: 23 OK, so here's my stupid idea for the day: Step 1: Everyone still on this mailing list should set up a new web-mail account, using the service of their choice. Step 2: Email addresses should be set as some variation on the 'Format' "Sam(s)Boss@(webmail provider).com" Step 3: Set up a new mailing list: Samboss-clones@nvg.ntnu.no Step 4: argue ad infinitum/nauseum (delete as applicable) about the true identities of Sam(s)Boss, 'cos they're spread out all over the country, with the slightest bias towards the north... Maturity? That's for suits, man! Gord. -- < The HEXdidn't... Homepage: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < ------ Featuring The U.K. Policenauts Homepage ------ > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< http://www.hexdidnt.clara.net > \---------- AOL Instant Messenger: 'hexdidnt' ----------/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Oct 14 09:23:39 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BFCDBBA3@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: Stupid suggestion Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:28:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 306 Lines: 16 Heh! I like it! :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Gordon Wallis [SMTP:hexdidnt@clara.net] > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 10:41 PM > To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Subject: Stupid suggestion > > OK, so here's my stupid idea for the day: > [snip] > Maturity? That's for suits, man! > > Gord. > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Oct 16 15:29:50 1999 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) From: "Mr Samsboss" Subject: Re: Stupid suggestion To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 15:28:35 +0100 X-Postmaster: Sent from Postmaster http://www.postmaster.co.uk/, the world's premier free web-based email service, based in London, England. X-Postmaster-Trace: Account name: samsboss; Local time: Sat Oct 16 15:28:35 1999; Local host: saraghina.postmaster.co.uk; Remote host: 212.57.32.233; Referer site: www.postmaster.co.uk X-Complaints-To: Administrator@postmaster.co.uk Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 671 Lines: 23 > OK, so here's my stupid idea for the day: > > Step 1: Everyone still on this mailing list should set up a new web-mail > account, using the service of their choice. > > Step 2: Email addresses should be set as some variation on the 'Format' > "Sam(s)Boss@(webmail provider).com" > > Step 3: Set up a new mailing list: Samboss-clones@nvg.ntnu.no > > Step 4: argue ad infinitum/nauseum (delete as applicable) about the true > identities of Sam(s)Boss, 'cos they're spread out all over the country, > with the slightest bias towards the north... > > Maturity? That's for suits, man! > And for good cheese :) -- -- Samsboss - The One And Only. Accept No Others. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Oct 16 19:39:24 1999 (SMTPD32-5.05) id A4CC16EA0264; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 14:32:44 -0400 Message-ID: <3808C5F2.43F727D3@unbounded.com> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 19:37:39 +0100 From: Gavin Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: SAM Community Newsletter Issue 2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id TAA18896 Status: RO Content-Length: 382 Lines: 8 Issue 2 of the Newsletter is now available. If you want a copy of the 4 page A4 newsletter for SAM Coupé owners, send me an email with your address and I'll send you a free copy. Alternatively, send me 2 quid and you'll get the next 6 issues (a good time to do it, as this price won't last much longer). This issue includes a show report from the latest SAM and Speccy show. Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Oct 17 00:47:33 1999 Message-Id: <199910162342.TAA75954@dot.crosswinds.net> From: "James R Curry" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 18:36:08 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: SAM Community Newsletter Issue 2 In-reply-to: <3808C5F2.43F727D3@unbounded.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01d) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id AAA01794 Status: RO Content-Length: 581 Lines: 16 > Issue 2 of the Newsletter is now available. If you want a copy of the 4 > page A4 newsletter for SAM Coupé owners, send me an email with your > address and I'll send you a free copy. Alternatively, send me 2 quid and > you'll get the next 6 issues (a good time to do it, as this price won't > last much longer). This issue includes a show report from the latest SAM > and Speccy show. > > Gavin How much for international shipping...? -- James R Curry - James@curry.com "The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!" The OFFICIAL James R Curry Webpage is at http://www.lhutz.demon.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Oct 17 03:00:28 1999 (SMTPD32-5.05) id AC37C9680264; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 21:53:59 -0400 Message-ID: <38092D72.4AE9108C@unbounded.com> Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 02:59:14 +0100 From: Gavin Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM Community Newsletter Issue 2 References: <199910162342.TAA75954@dot.crosswinds.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id DAA02667 Status: RO Content-Length: 679 Lines: 20 James R Curry wrote: > > > Issue 2 of the Newsletter is now available. If you want a copy of the 4 > > page A4 newsletter for SAM Coupé owners, send me an email with your > > address and I'll send you a free copy. Alternatively, send me 2 quid and > > you'll get the next 6 issues (a good time to do it, as this price won't > > last much longer). This issue includes a show report from the latest SAM > > and Speccy show. > > > > Gavin > > How much for international shipping...? > -- > James R Curry - James@curry.com Don't worry about the postage for the free issue, but it's a fiver for international peeps, just to keep things simple. Er, but aren't you in the UK? Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Oct 17 05:03:05 1999 Message-Id: <199910170401.AAA94363@dot.crosswinds.net> From: "James R Curry" <8bit@itdoesntsuck.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 23:01:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: SAM Community Newsletter Issue 2 In-reply-to: <38092D72.4AE9108C@unbounded.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01d) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 269 Lines: 11 > Don't worry about the postage for the free issue, but it's a fiver for > international peeps, just to keep things simple. Er, but aren't you in > the UK? > > Gavin Nope, Eastern Kentucky. -- James R Curry - 8bit@itdoesntsuck.com "The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!" From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Oct 17 05:51:55 1999 Message-Id: <199910170450.AAA15779@dot.crosswinds.net> From: "James R Curry" <8bit@itdoesntsuck.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 23:47:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: DON'T COMPLAIN...! X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01d) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 170 Lines: 6 I'm aware my timezone was screwed. It's fixed now. I'm terribly sorry to all, my mistake. -- James R Curry - 8bit@itdoesntsuck.com "The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!" From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Oct 17 05:56:47 1999 Message-Id: <199910170455.AAA18082@dot.crosswinds.net> From: "James R Curry" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 12:56:15 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: DON'T COMPLAIN...! In-reply-to: <199910170450.AAA15779@dot.crosswinds.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01d) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 573 Lines: 19 From: "James R Curry" <8bit@itdoesntsuck.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date sent: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 23:47:37 -0400 Subject: DON'T COMPLAIN...! Send reply to: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > I'm aware my timezone was screwed. It's fixed now. I'm terribly > sorry to all, my mistake. > -- > James R Curry - 8bit@itdoesntsuck.com > > "The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!" My clock is now fixed, too. -- James R Curry - James@curry.com "The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!" The OFFICIAL James R Curry Webpage is at http://www.lhutz.demon.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Oct 17 06:18:59 1999 Message-Id: <199910170517.BAA27532@dot.crosswinds.net> From: "James R Curry" <8bit@itdoesntsuck.com> To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 01:17:18 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Aww, crap. X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01d) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 106 Lines: 7 Ok, NOW it's fixed. I suck. -- James R Curry - 8bit@itdoesntsuck.com "The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!" From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Oct 17 13:40:11 1999 Message-ID: <3809C2C1.3373@clara.net> Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 13:36:17 +0100 From: Gordon Wallis Organization: HEXdidn't... X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Stupid suggestion References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 384 Lines: 13 Mr Samsboss wrote: > > Maturity? That's for suits, man! > > > And for good cheese :) > Bwah-HA! _Now_ you show your true colours, evil one!!! ;-) -- < The HEXdidn't... Homepage: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < ------ Featuring The U.K. Policenauts Homepage ------ > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< http://www.hexdidnt.clara.net > \---------- AOL Instant Messenger: 'hexdidnt' ----------/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Oct 17 13:56:21 1999 From: davgw@clara.co.uk (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM Community Newsletter Issue 2 Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 12:55:49 GMT Message-ID: <3809c60a.3848206@relay.clara.net> References: <3808C5F2.43F727D3@unbounded.com> In-Reply-To: <3808C5F2.43F727D3@unbounded.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 388 Lines: 11 Gavin, I'm having difficulty trying to understand the motivation behind a printed newsletter. There obviously isn't any money to be made (from what you are charging), and the only thing I can figure is that you're aiming to start an exclusive club of sorts. This isn't a swipe, btw, I just don't understand why people should bother with stamps and read stuff on paper these days. Dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Oct 17 14:38:55 1999 (SMTPD32-5.05) id AFFA5BD102E8; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 09:32:42 -0400 Message-ID: <3809D114.1704B1C8@unbounded.com> Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 14:37:25 +0100 From: Gavin Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM Community Newsletter Issue 2 References: <3808C5F2.43F727D3@unbounded.com> <3809c60a.3848206@relay.clara.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1537 Lines: 32 Dave Whitmore wrote: > > Gavin, > > I'm having difficulty trying to understand the motivation behind a > printed newsletter. There obviously isn't any money to be made (from > what you are charging), and the only thing I can figure is that you're > aiming to start an exclusive club of sorts. This isn't a swipe, btw, I > just don't understand why people should bother with stamps and read > stuff on paper these days. > > Dave What makes it exclusive? Anyone can get it for next to nothing so I'm not sure how it's exclusive. Why do it? Originally it was to give news coverage to people like Persona and Quazar who I felt Format wasn't covering adequately (or at all in Persona's case) but of course we've only really got Quazar left. I dunno, I still enjoy farting about with the SAM, and I've found 30 like minded people so it isn't much hassle to stick a little newsletter together every couple of months. Nothing earth shattering in it, but there's always a few things available for the SAM every couple of months. This isn't a swipe either, btw, but there are a few people on this list who seem to just hang about to criticise other people and say "why do this?", "why do that?" Well why not? Of course it's a stupidly obscure computer, with stupidly little support, but I still enjoy it. I get a lot of letters from people happy with what I'm doing. *shrug* It's no big deal :) Anyway, I hate reading stuff from a computer screen, I'd much prefer to read it from paper. Gavin SAM Community - Raising two fingers to Mr. Logic From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Oct 17 15:01:56 1999 Message-Id: From: eep2ag@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Andrew Gale) Subject: Re: SAM Community Newsletter Issue 2 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 14:55:59 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <3809D114.1704B1C8@unbounded.com> from "Gavin Smith" at Oct 17, 99 02:37:25 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 218 Lines: 6 > big deal :) Anyway, I hate reading stuff from a computer screen, I'd > much prefer to read it from paper. > Snap - same here. There's something about the 80's fanzine days that the internet fails to make up for.... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Oct 17 15:09:51 1999 From: davgw@clara.co.uk (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM Community Newsletter Issue 2 Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 14:09:00 GMT Message-ID: <380bd321.7198816@relay.clara.net> References: <3808C5F2.43F727D3@unbounded.com> <3809c60a.3848206@relay.clara.net> <3809D114.1704B1C8@unbounded.com> In-Reply-To: <3809D114.1704B1C8@unbounded.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2310 Lines: 56 On Sun, 17 Oct 1999 14:37:25 +0100 Sun, 17 Oct 99 14:44:48 BST, Gavin Smith wrote: >What makes it exclusive? The simple fact that it excludes anyone who doesn't subscribe. > Anyone can get it for next to nothing so I'm >not sure how it's exclusive. That's true, but it isn't really my point. >Why do it? Originally it was to give news >coverage to people like Persona and Quazar who I felt Format wasn't >covering adequately (or at all in Persona's case) but of course we've >only really got Quazar left. I dunno, I still enjoy farting about with >the SAM, and I've found 30 like minded people so it isn't much hassle to >stick a little newsletter together every couple of months. Nothing earth >shattering in it, but there's always a few things available for the SAM >every couple of months. Granted there are people who don't have net access, but why not do an email version for people online. You've already seen an example of the difficulty faced by potential overseas subscribers. I still enjoy 'farting about' with things concerning SAM to a certain extent, and I'd even go as far as to say I'd like to see a newsletter done along the lines of the speccy one by Andy Davies (an occasional disczine in DSK format?). People like Persona and Quazar could put all the advertising they wanted into something like that. That would probably be a bit extreme though, so an occasional email attachment to interested parties would probably suffice. >This isn't a swipe either, btw, but there are a few people on this list >who seem to just hang about to criticise other people and say "why do >this?", "why do that?" Well why not? Of course it's a stupidly obscure This was a genuine concern rather than a criticism. I can see how you'd think otherwise though, and I'm sorry if you took it that way. >computer, with stupidly little support, but I still enjoy it. I get a >lot of letters from people happy with what I'm doing. *shrug* It's no >big deal :) Anyway, I hate reading stuff from a computer screen, I'd >much prefer to read it from paper. Let's just put it this way then: you are here, and I am here, reading each other. So what could you possibly tell me on a piece of paper that I can't read onscreen? That's all I'm saying... carry on and have fun! :-) Dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Oct 17 22:06:02 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop3.house Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 22:04:14 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Someone's selling a Sam on ebay X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 495 Lines: 12 Just in case someone's looking to buy a second-hand Sam and doesn't read comp.sys.sinclair, someone (not me, BTW) is selling a boxed Sam on the auction site, ebay. No bids in yet, last time I looked. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=183266210 -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Oct 18 07:39:10 1999 via SMTP by mailserv.caiw.nl, id smtpdAAAa27016; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 08:38:00 +0200 Message-ID: <00c601bf1933$005ec2e0$735b88d4@oemcomputer> From: "Robert van der Veeke" To: References: Subject: Re: Someone's selling a Sam on ebay Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 08:35:41 +0200 Organization: RJV graphics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 762 Lines: 21 ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Collier To: Sent: Sunday, October 17, 1999 11:04 PM Subject: Someone's selling a Sam on ebay > Just in case someone's looking to buy a second-hand Sam and doesn't read > comp.sys.sinclair, someone (not me, BTW) is selling a boxed Sam on the > auction site, ebay. No bids in yet, last time I looked. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=183266210 Mmmm it now stands at $20.50, still not much. But it is not clear to me if this Sam has a diskdrive and if it is fitted with 512k or just 256k memory. Robert van der Veeke aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Currently listening to : Sai-so - Kodo >From the grassy knoll, armed with a high-powered longbow From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Oct 18 12:54:44 1999 From: Gouranga@aol.com Message-ID: <0.52fef60f.253c63d3@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 07:51:47 EDT Subject: Re: SAM Community Newsletter Issue 2 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Mailer: AOL NetMail version 2.0 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 914 Lines: 23 Gav, Congratulations on being the only person I've seen do something public in the last 12 months! Would you be able to send me up a copy - Issue 1 as well if you have any - I'll send cash down if you give me your address. I'm at: 197B Princes St Dundee DD4 6DQ At present I'm toying with the idea of kickstarting FRED again, but last time I mentioned it on the list there was no response - you think people would be interested in helping out these days? What kind of input/feedback/sales are you getting? C. > Issue 2 of the Newsletter is now available. If you want a copy of the 4 > page A4 newsletter for SAM Coupé owners, send me an email with your > address and I'll send you a free copy. Alternatively, send me 2 quid and > you'll get the next 6 issues (a good time to do it, as this price won't > last much longer). This issue includes a show report from the latest SAM > and Speccy show. > > Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Oct 18 13:13:55 1999 (SMTPD32-5.05) id AB1992A031C; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 07:57:13 -0400 Message-ID: <380B0C4B.2A30C216@unbounded.com> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 13:02:19 +0100 From: Gavin Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Someone's selling a Sam on ebay References: <00c601bf1933$005ec2e0$735b88d4@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 551 Lines: 14 Robert van der Veeke wrote: > Mmmm it now stands at $20.50, still not much. But it is not clear to me if > this Sam has a diskdrive and if it is fitted with 512k or just 256k memory. > > Robert van der Veeke aka RJV Graphics It now stands at $202.50! Damn, that kind of beats my initial bid of 20 dollars ;) It looks to be in such perfect condition as well :( Don't think it has a disk drive Robert and I'm guessing it only has 256k as the guy seems to have hardly used the thing. Must email the winner and get him to read SAM Community ;) Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Oct 18 13:13:56 1999 (SMTPD32-5.05) id AD08200F03D6; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 08:05:28 -0400 Message-ID: <380B0E2C.24D6AB36@unbounded.com> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 13:10:20 +0100 From: Gavin Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM Community Newsletter Issue 2 References: <3808C5F2.43F727D3@unbounded.com> <3809c60a.3848206@relay.clara.net> <3809D114.1704B1C8@unbounded.com> <380bd321.7198816@relay.clara.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1226 Lines: 29 Dave Whitmore wrote: > >What makes it exclusive? > > The simple fact that it excludes anyone who doesn't subscribe. Eh?! But surely that makes this list equally as exclusive, in that you have to subscribe. I'm not trying to be smart, I just don't follow you here - you don't get it unless you ask - is that what you are saying?! > Granted there are people who don't have net access, but why not do an > email version for people online. You've already seen an example of the > difficulty faced by potential overseas subscribers. I'm (still) working on a website for the newsletter, not sure what way it will turn out. Having a paper Newsletter is better in my opinion - 1) you can read it in the bog (and wipe your arse with it after if you so wish), 2) it allows me to keep a track of how many people are actually reading it and are still interested in the SAM. > Let's just put it this way then: you are here, and I am here, reading > each other. So what could you possibly tell me on a piece of paper > that I can't read onscreen? That's all I'm saying... carry on and have > fun! :-) Yes, but there are a lot more people who are actually interested in the SAM who, for some strange reason, aren't on the net. Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Oct 18 13:31:37 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BFCDBBB1@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: SAM Community Newsletter Issue 2 Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 13:34:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id NAA02352 Status: RO Content-Length: 839 Lines: 29 Gavin, I'll give you my current address. I'm moving in a couple of weeks so I'll send the 2 quid afterwards when I know for sure what my new address will be... Justin Skists 105 Cleavers Avenue Conniburrow Milton Keynes MK14 7DQ Justin. > -----Original Message----- > From: Gavin Smith [SMTP:gavinsmith@unbounded.com] > Sent: Saturday, October 16, 1999 7:38 PM > To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Subject: SAM Community Newsletter Issue 2 > > Issue 2 of the Newsletter is now available. If you want a copy of the 4 > page A4 newsletter for SAM Coupé owners, send me an email with your > address and I'll send you a free copy. Alternatively, send me 2 quid and > you'll get the next 6 issues (a good time to do it, as this price won't > last much longer). This issue includes a show report from the latest SAM > and Speccy show. > > Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Oct 18 13:31:38 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BFCDBBB2@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: SAM Community Newsletter Issue 2 Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 13:37:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 164 Lines: 7 Oops.. That was supposed to be direct to Gavin.................... > -----Original Message----- > From: Justin Skists [SMTP:Justin.Skists@aculab.com] > > [snip] From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Oct 18 21:38:17 1999 From: davgw@clara.co.uk (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM Community Newsletter Issue 2 Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 18:07:12 GMT Message-ID: <380b5c3d.1138088@relay.clara.net> References: <3808C5F2.43F727D3@unbounded.com> <3809c60a.3848206@relay.clara.net> <3809D114.1704B1C8@unbounded.com> <380bd321.7198816@relay.clara.net> <380B0E2C.24D6AB36@unbounded.com> In-Reply-To: <380B0E2C.24D6AB36@unbounded.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 939 Lines: 23 On Mon, 18 Oct 1999 13:10:20 +0100 Mon, 18 Oct 99 18:37:03 BST, Gavin Smith wrote: >> >What makes it exclusive? >> >> The simple fact that it excludes anyone who doesn't subscribe. > >Eh?! But surely that makes this list equally as exclusive, in that you >have to subscribe. I'm not trying to be smart, I just don't follow you >here - you don't get it unless you ask - is that what you are saying?! My irrational problem is that I find it incredibly frustrating to contemplate sending or receiving information through snail-mail (farting about with stamps and envelopes, etc. It seems a bit luddite), when the people who I'm communicating with are on the net. For people whose only means of written communication is via traditional post, fine, no worries. you'll be giving them a good service. I'm obviously a fool for thinking this way because so many others around here think it's such a good idea. Dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Oct 19 03:25:06 1999 (SMTPD32-5.05) id A728C6F037C; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 19:03:04 -0400 Message-ID: <380BA849.CB481149@unbounded.com> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 00:07:56 +0100 From: Gavin Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM Community Newsletter Issue 2 References: <3808C5F2.43F727D3@unbounded.com> <3809c60a.3848206@relay.clara.net> <3809D114.1704B1C8@unbounded.com> <380bd321.7198816@relay.clara.net> <380B0E2C.24D6AB36@unbounded.com> <380b5c3d.1138088@relay.clara.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 309 Lines: 10 Dave Whitmore wrote: > My irrational problem is that I find it incredibly frustrating to > contemplate sending or receiving information through snail-mail > (farting about with stamps and envelopes, etc. That's my problem though isn't it? You'd only have to do it once a bloody year! :) Lazy git :) Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Oct 19 03:25:07 1999 (SMTPD32-5.05) id A92D7AB02F6; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 19:11:41 -0400 Message-ID: <380BAA4C.333E7083@unbounded.com> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 00:16:32 +0100 From: Gavin Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM Community Newsletter Issue 2 References: <0.52fef60f.253c63d3@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1273 Lines: 30 Gouranga@aol.com wrote: > Would you be able to send me up a copy - Issue 1 as well if you have any - I'll send cash down if you give me your address. No problemo. Address is: SAM Community, 34 Craigowen Road, Carrickfergus, BT38 7NE. I'll shove them in the post in the morning. > At present I'm toying with the idea of kickstarting FRED again, but last time I > mentioned it on the list there was no response - you think people would be > interested in helping out these days? What kind of input/feedback/sales are you > getting? I unsubscribed from this list a few weeks ago due to er something or other so I must have missed that. I'd personally love to see FRED back. One paper 'zine (being the newsletter, as nothing else is about now) and one disk 'zine (being FRED) would be just right I think. Feedback wise I've had a number of letters saying they are really pleased and relieved as they assumed the SAM scene was dead. I've also had a number of letters asking what happened to FRED, so there's obviously some demand. Sales wise, it's around 40 now - I think it could quite easily hit 50, which is quite a respectable number me thinks. When you say "kickstarting FRED" what did you mean? Are you considering it? I'll certainly lend a hand if I can. Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Oct 19 12:31:46 1999 Message-Id: <199910190335.XAA29142@dot.crosswinds.net> From: "James R Curry" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 23:35:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: SAM Community Newsletter Issue 2 In-reply-to: <0.52fef60f.253c63d3@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01d) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 605 Lines: 18 > At present I'm toying with the idea of kickstarting FRED again, but last time I > mentioned it on the list there was no response - you think people > would be interested in helping out these days? What kind of > input/feedback/sales are you getting? > Hmm, if you were to raise FRED from the dead, then the moment I get a decent PC capable of running an emulator at a decent speed, I may well finish some stuff off. If only I had a real SAM over here... -- James R Curry - James@curry.com "The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!" The OFFICIAL James R Curry Webpage is at http://www.lhutz.demon.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Oct 19 12:31:47 1999 Message-ID: <380BFEC3.CD58D22F@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 22:16:52 -0700 From: Martin Wilson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM Community Newsletter Issue 2 References: <3808C5F2.43F727D3@unbounded.com> <3809c60a.3848206@relay.clara.net> <3809D114.1704B1C8@unbounded.com> <380bd321.7198816@relay.clara.net> <380B0E2C.24D6AB36@unbounded.com> <380b5c3d.1138088@relay.clara.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 700 Lines: 14 > My irrational problem is that I find it incredibly frustrating to > contemplate sending or receiving information through snail-mail > (farting about with stamps and envelopes, etc. It seems a bit > luddite), when the people who I'm communicating with are on the net. > For people whose only means of written communication is via > traditional post, fine, no worries. you'll be giving them a good > service. I'm obviously a fool for thinking this way because so many > others around here think it's such a good idea. > > Dave Well I basically agree. Paper based newsletters no thanks. I still like the idea of a disk mag with animation and sound etc but it hardly seems worth it just for printout. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Oct 19 13:26:14 1999 Message-ID: <56EF8AA7FD4BD2119CE00008C7281BCA1734E7@ws01.isi.uk.com> From: shawm To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: SAM Community Newsletter Issue 2 Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 08:22:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id NAA07476 Status: RO Content-Length: 902 Lines: 31 Please send me a newsletter......I am very interested, and will send you £2 for the next 6 issues.........If you give me your name & address........ Name/Address : Matt Shaw 43 Yule Road Wyken Coventry West Midlands CV2 3DB Cheers matt.shaw@isi.uk.com 01675 444800 http://www.isi.uk.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Gavin Smith [SMTP:gavinsmith@unbounded.com] > Sent: Monday, October 18, 1999 8:15 AM > To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Subject: SAM Community Newsletter Issue 2 > > Issue 2 of the Newsletter is now available. If you want a copy of the 4 > page A4 newsletter for SAM Coupé owners, send me an email with your > address and I'll send you a free copy. Alternatively, send me 2 quid and > you'll get the next 6 issues (a good time to do it, as this price won't > last much longer). This issue includes a show report from the latest SAM > and Speccy show. > > Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Oct 19 13:39:34 1999 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 12:30:50 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: SAM Community Newsletter Issue 2 References: <0.52fef60f.253c63d3@aol.com> <199910190335.XAA29142@dot.crosswinds.net> In-Reply-To: <199910190335.XAA29142@dot.crosswinds.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 4.01 <8OHKkEUpoELRXEckwUjJGSM0AF> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 693 Lines: 22 In message <199910190335.XAA29142@dot.crosswinds.net>, James R Curry writes >Hmm, if you were to raise FRED from the dead, then the moment I get a >decent PC capable of running an emulator at a decent speed, I may >well finish some stuff off. >If only I had a real SAM over here... I believe that the Russian can supply them with the launchers for a very reasonable fee. Only last week I got a nuclear submarine for using along the canal. Graham Goring -- /====================================\ | Ber-Limey! There's not even enough | |room to swing a cat in this sodding-| \=========== ICQ: 5333545 ===========/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Oct 19 23:15:53 1999 Message-Id: <199910192213.SAA23245@dot.crosswinds.net> From: "James R Curry" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 18:13:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: SAM Community Newsletter Issue 2 In-reply-to: References: <199910190335.XAA29142@dot.crosswinds.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01d) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 746 Lines: 21 > >Hmm, if you were to raise FRED from the dead, then the moment I get a > >decent PC capable of running an emulator at a decent speed, I may > >well finish some stuff off. > > Shut up. You have evidence that I've been coding lately. > >If only I had a real SAM over here... > > I believe that the Russian can supply them with the launchers for a > very reasonable fee. Only last week I got a nuclear submarine for using > along the canal. Shouldn't cost too much. After all, the entire Russian economy is worth what? UKP2.50 these days? -- James R Curry - James@curry.com "The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!" The OFFICIAL James R Curry Webpage is at http://www.lhutz.demon.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Oct 20 03:46:31 1999 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 03:36:17 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: SAM Community Newsletter Issue 2 References: <199910190335.XAA29142@dot.crosswinds.net> <199910192213.SAA23245@dot.crosswinds.net> In-Reply-To: <199910192213.SAA23245@dot.crosswinds.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 4.01 <8OHKkEUpoELRXEckwUjJGSM0AF> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 827 Lines: 27 In message <199910192213.SAA23245@dot.crosswinds.net>, James R Curry writes >> > >Shut up. You have evidence that I've been coding lately. No, I have evidence that *somebody* has been coding lately. For all I know, you could have kidnapped some poor sap and enslaved him as a DOS coder. >> I believe that the Russian can supply them with the launchers for a >> very reasonable fee. Only last week I got a nuclear submarine for using >> along the canal. > >Shouldn't cost too much. After all, the entire Russian economy is >worth what? UKP2.50 these days? Slightly less. Graham Goring -- /====================================\ | Ber-Limey! There's not even enough | |room to swing a cat in this sodding-| \=========== ICQ: 5333545 ===========/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Oct 20 07:54:18 1999 From: Frode Tenneboe Message-Id: <199910200653.IAA22627@asmal.edh.ericsson.se> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 08:53:02 +0200 (MET DST) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: more tidying X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.3.4-990920-sol MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id HAA07053 Status: RO Content-Length: 680 Lines: 21 I have just done some cleaning. The following e-mail addresses have been removed due to delivery failure: grahamm@mailhost2.epic.co.uk matthewh@top2.ficnet.net.tw nop03313@mail.telepac.pt Also, this address has been moved due to change in domain. (I would appreciate if you could do that yourselves when this is requred): wayne@rflect.demon.co.uk -> wayne@reflectionsinteractive.com -Frode -- ^ Frode Tennebø | email: ft@edh.ericsson.se ^ | Ericsson Radar AS. | Isebakkeveien 49 | | Phone: +47 69 21 41 47 | N-1788 Halden | | with Standard.Disclaimer; use Standard.Disclaimer; | From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Oct 21 01:02:01 1999 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19991020235908.006bbb88@mail.telepac.pt> X-Sender: nop03313@mail.telepac.pt X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 00:59:08 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Henrique Souto Subject: My Sam X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 401 Lines: 19 Hi folks! I'm portuguese and i just bougth a used Sam. Contains a disk drive and 512k of ram. I have tons of software too, including magazines on disk (fred, from 18 to 80 +/-), games and other stuff. I'm a collector so, the Sam is a very important item to my collection. If anyone needs some software, or documentation, if i can, i will help, ok??? Best regards! khgkhikjhioukljh From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Oct 21 09:47:14 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BFCDBBBB@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: My Sam Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 09:52:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 516 Lines: 18 > From: Henrique Souto [SMTP:nop03313@mail.telepac.pt] > > Hi folks! I'm portuguese and i just bougth a used Sam. Contains a >disk drive and 512k of ram. I have tons of software too, including magazines >on disk (fred, from 18 to 80 +/-), games and other stuff. I'm a collector >so, the Sam is a very important item to my collection. If anyone needs some >software, or documentation, if i can, i will help, ok??? Thanks. and welcome... >khgkhikjhioukljh Is this some kind of Portuguese code? :) Justin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Oct 21 19:18:27 1999 Message-ID: <000001bf1bf0$8f4aacc0$4d498cd4@default> From: "Robert Wilkinson" To: Subject: Re: My Sam Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 12:47:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 765 Lines: 35 -----Original Message----- From: Justin Skists To: 'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no' Date: 21 October 1999 09:49 Subject: RE: My Sam >> From: Henrique Souto [SMTP:nop03313@mail.telepac.pt] >> >> Hi folks! I'm portuguese and i just bougth a used Sam. Contains a >>disk drive and 512k of ram. I have tons of software too, including >magazines >>on disk (fred, from 18 to 80 +/-), games and other stuff. I'm a collector >>so, the Sam is a very important item to my collection. If anyone needs some >>software, or documentation, if i can, i will help, ok??? > >Thanks. and welcome... > > >>khgkhikjhioukljh > >Is this some kind of Portuguese code? :) > > >Justin > So thats where that keyboard went Bob Wilkinson From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Oct 21 19:48:12 1999 Message-ID: <380F5F9A.35FA310D@bonbon.net> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 19:46:50 +0100 From: Martin Fitzpatrick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM Community Newsletter Issue 2 References: <199910190335.XAA29142@dot.crosswinds.net> <199910192213.SAA23245@dot.crosswinds.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 787 Lines: 29 Graham Goring wrote: > > >> I believe that the Russian can supply them with the launchers for a > >> very reasonable fee. Only last week I got a nuclear submarine for using > >> along the canal. > > > >Shouldn't cost too much. After all, the entire Russian economy is > >worth what? UKP2.50 these days? > > Slightly less. So I could go and buy the whole Russian economy for "two of your english pounds"?? Hmm. [Sound of brain trying to think of a dastardly evil plan] Kinda begs the question: What do you do with a russian economy once you've got one.....? Just another of those impulse buys that gets put in cupboard after a week no doubt. "The Russian economy is for life, not just for Christmas" Fitz -- Email: poohsticks@bonbon.net ICQ#: 11077801 AOL/CServeIM: Flupert From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Oct 25 09:12:16 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BFCDBBD2@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: SAM Community Newsletter Issue 2 Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 09:17:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id JAA06004 Status: RO Content-Length: 694 Lines: 19 I got the newsletter at the weekend. Good job, Gavin. Hell, there was some stuff in there that even I didn't know about!! And yes, I'd agree to the suggestion about making it into more than just a newsletter. > -----Original Message----- > From: Gavin Smith [SMTP:gavinsmith@unbounded.com] > > Issue 2 of the Newsletter is now available. If you want a copy of the 4 > page A4 newsletter for SAM Coupé owners, send me an email with your > address and I'll send you a free copy. Alternatively, send me 2 quid and > you'll get the next 6 issues (a good time to do it, as this price won't > last much longer). This issue includes a show report from the latest SAM > and Speccy show. > > Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Oct 26 01:08:59 1999 (SMTPD32-5.05) id AEDA4E3B00AE; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 19:59:22 -0400 Message-ID: <3814F011.BA250294@unbounded.com> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 01:04:34 +0100 From: Gavin Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM Community Newsletter Issue 2 References: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BFCDBBD2@mailhost.aculab.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2048 Lines: 40 Justin Skists wrote: > > I got the newsletter at the weekend. > > Good job, Gavin. > > Hell, there was some stuff in there that even I didn't know about!! > And yes, I'd agree to the suggestion about making it into more > than just a newsletter. Glad you liked it Justin. For everyone else, the Newsletter is simply four pages of A4, with pure news (i.e. no editorial, no reviews, no features etc). The idea behind this was so it wouldn't get in the way of sales to the other mags such as Fred, Format and Blitz etc. However, as these seem to no longer exist or at least no longer exist regularly, perhaps it's now to think about expanding the Newsletter into a full mag. My original plan was to stick with paper, as the vast majority of the current members don't have Internet access. I understand what Dave Whitmore means about messing around with stamps etc, but I can't do an Internet only edition for obvious reasons and I don't know if I could be arsed doing the paper zine and an online edition (although Dave kindly offered to help with the second). So, what do you think about this idea? A bi-monthly disk mag - this would have the advantage of being downloadable via the Net in .dsk format, or it can be sent through the post on a floppy. Of course, I'm not talking about producing a Fred style mag, very few people are writing things for the SAM the way they used to. However, it could still contain the news that would have gone into the paper zine, but with screenshots, some editorial, even features (there are some German SAM features which I don't believe have been translated into English yet for example). The rest of the disk may as well be filled with any new bits and pieces I can get my hands on. There's still the odd new thing appearing for the SAM. I also receive quite a few letters which could go nicely on the disk, along with any relevant emails etc. Nothing spectular, nothing like the Fred glory days, but one single resource that contains news, screenshots, any new bits and pieces - what do you think? Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Oct 26 10:07:17 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BFCDBBD6@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: SAM Community Newsletter Issue 2 Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 10:13:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 311 Lines: 10 Personally, I think I'd prefer a paper based version. > -----Original Message----- > From: Gavin Smith [SMTP:gavinsmith@unbounded.com] > > Nothing spectular, nothing like the Fred glory days, but one single > resource that contains news, screenshots, any new bits and pieces - what > do you think? > > Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Oct 26 12:07:04 1999 Message-ID: <38158B94.F4FDEDC7@clear.net.nz> Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 00:08:04 +1300 From: Gasson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (OS/2; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM Community Newsletter Issue 2 References: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BFCDBBD6@mailhost.aculab.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1103 Lines: 28 Gavin Smith wrote: >> So, what do you think about this idea? >> A bi-monthly disk mag - this would have the advantage of being >> downloadable via the Net in .dsk format, or it can be sent through >> the post on a floppy. Justin Skists wrote: > Personally, I think I'd prefer a paper based version. I think I would subscribe for a disk / .dsk magazine (probably the .dsk myself). This would give me a reason to look at SimCoupe... Otherwise, I would also be interested in a paper / .pdf magazine. You're using a Mac right? (From your e-mail headers... Hey Netscape 4.7?! And OS/2 only has 4.61! *snif*) Anyway, I think there is a Mac version of GhostScript which produces .pdf files. Take a look at this site: http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/ Then I would be able to print off a copy myself, and read it from paper, with all the layout that you intended. If you opt for this, then you will be limited to the fonts: Times New Roman, Helvetica, Courier, Symbol and Dingbats. But in my humble opinion, this is all that is required to produce a professional looking magazine. Thoughts? -- James Gasson From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Oct 26 13:01:04 1999 Message-ID: <3815984C.2D38156E@clear.net.nz> Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 01:02:20 +1300 From: Gasson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (OS/2; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM Community Newsletter Issue 2 References: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BFCDBBD6@mailhost.aculab.com> <38158B94.F4FDEDC7@clear.net.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 972 Lines: 25 Gavin Smith wrote: >>> So, what do you think about this idea? >>> A bi-monthly disk mag - this would have the advantage of being >>> downloadable via the Net in .dsk format, or it can be sent >>> through the post on a floppy. Justin Skists wrote: >> Personally, I think I'd prefer a paper based version. Gasson wrote: > I would also be interested in a paper / .pdf magazine. Hey, just a sec, why not do both? Put the news on paper / .pdf where it belongs, and programs on disk / .dsk so you don't have to type the sodding things in. Send out print / .pdf for every issue, and accompany it with a disk / .dsk for every second (or third) issue. That way we'd have the best of both worlds. And you can put an outline of a disk on the cover, with a phrase like "Oh no! Cat got your cover disk? Better ask your friendly news agent!", it'll be just like the good old days of Crash / YS! If you manage to pull this off, then you can definately count me in. -- James Gasson From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Oct 26 21:23:09 1999 Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 21:19:55 +0000 (GMT) From: Paul Walker To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: power supplies Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 140 Lines: 5 Er ... did anyone get the previous message? Can I assume that people either don't know where I can get one from, or don't care...? -- Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Oct 26 22:53:38 1999 via SMTP by mailserv.caiw.nl, id smtpdAAAa25474; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 23:41:01 +0200 Message-ID: <001901bf1ffa$73568bc0$a75a88d4@oemcomputer> From: "Robert van der Veeke" To: References: Subject: Re: power supplies Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 23:38:29 +0200 Organization: RJV graphics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 655 Lines: 21 From: Paul Walker To: Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 1999 11:19 PM Subject: power supplies > Er ... did anyone get the previous message? Can I assume that people either > don't know where I can get one from, or don't care...? I never saw that message, i think. Well if you are not using a TV but a monitor, than you could go for a PC-PSU (wich is is also handy for powering your HD's and CD-rom if your Sam is equipped with a Atom). Robert van der Veeke aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Currently listening to : Sai-so - Kodo "From the grassy knoll, armed with a high-powered longbow..." - Septyn From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Oct 27 07:31:13 1999 Message-ID: <001c01bf2044$ac4f3400$ae14ac3e@default> From: "Robert Wilkinson" To: Subject: Re: power supplies Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 07:13:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 608 Lines: 23 I didn't see that message either. The Amstrad CPC range uses a power supply that looks exactly like the sam supply, just a different colour. If one can be obtained on the second hand market (more plentifull than Sam Coupe),then check the voltages before using... Bob Wilkinson. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Walker To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: 26 October 1999 21:25 Subject: power supplies >Er ... did anyone get the previous message? Can I assume that people either >don't know where I can get one from, or don't care...? > >-- >Paul > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Oct 27 09:13:24 1999 Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 09:11:01 +0000 (GMT) From: Paul Walker To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: power thingies Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 474 Lines: 16 Hi All, Okay, since the actual request didn't get out (ta for confirming that, Robert), here it is again... A friend of mine in the Netherlands gave his SAM to his granddaughter a few years ago. The power supply's now broken, and so she's unable to play with it. If anyone knows where I can get a proper PSU from, or has one they're willing to sell, please get in touch! It should really be a proper PSU, since that makes things a lot easier all round. Please? -- Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Oct 27 11:05:28 1999 Message-ID: <000a01bf2062$17d9d960$18428cd4@default> From: "Robert Wilkinson" To: Subject: Re: power thingies Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 10:59:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1025 Lines: 41 Hi. I've just checked the Amstrad supply, and the voltages, while they are there, they are coming from different pins from the Sam supply. Also the current ratings are different. The supply is nothing special,and a good repair shop could fix it for you,unless of course you need the modulator, and that is what has gone. Good Luck. Bob Wilkinson. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Walker To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: 27 October 1999 09:19 Subject: power thingies >Hi All, > >Okay, since the actual request didn't get out (ta for confirming that, >Robert), here it is again... > >A friend of mine in the Netherlands gave his SAM to his granddaughter a few >years ago. The power supply's now broken, and so she's unable to play with it. > >If anyone knows where I can get a proper PSU from, or has one they're willing >to sell, please get in touch! It should really be a proper PSU, since that >makes things a lot easier all round. > >Please? > >-- >Paul > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Oct 27 18:12:17 1999 Message-ID: <38179FA2.363801DE@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 17:58:11 -0700 From: Martin Wilson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: power supplies References: <001901bf1ffa$73568bc0$a75a88d4@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 250 Lines: 6 > Well if you are not using a TV but a monitor, than you could go for a PC-PSU > (wich is is also handy for powering your HD's and CD-rom if your Sam is > equipped with a Atom). Jesus I'm behind the times. When did the Sam get CDROM compatibility? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Oct 27 23:22:46 1999 via SMTP by mailserv.caiw.nl, id smtpdAAAa25069; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 00:18:13 +0200 Message-ID: <000a01bf20c8$cef56540$885a88d4@oemcomputer> From: "Robert van der Veeke" To: References: <001901bf1ffa$73568bc0$a75a88d4@oemcomputer> <38179FA2.363801DE@ukonline.co.uk> Subject: Re: power supplies Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 00:15:40 +0200 Organization: RJV graphics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1066 Lines: 29 From: Martin Wilson To: Sent: Thursday, October 28, 1999 2:58 AM Subject: Re: power supplies > > Well if you are not using a TV but a monitor, than you could go for a PC-PSU > > (wich is is also handy for powering your HD's and CD-rom if your Sam is > > equipped with a Atom). > > Jesus I'm behind the times. When did the Sam get CDROM compatibility? Well if you have a Atom IDE-interface then you can hook up a CD-rom. Martijn wrote a atapi-driver into his Spectrum emulator (wich is great if you have a cd full of Speccie software), and based on that he is working on B-dos 1.6 now, the first version to support CD-rom (playing audio tracks, and copy files from CD-rom). Mind you B-dos 1.6 is not compatible with the Atom-version of Sam Paint (yet). It (Sampaint) crashes when you try to save something. I know this screams for disk-files Robert van der Veeke aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Currently listening to : Sai-so - Kodo "From the grassy knoll, armed with a high-powered longbow..." - Septyn