From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Nov 20 23:57:13 1999 Message-ID: <000901bf33b2$be42b020$0e877ed4@j4m4p3> From: "David L" To: References: <0.918b0093.25672d61@aol.com> <38360AD9.8B63D33E@unbounded.com> <38360C09.7FCD3642@bonbon.net> <000b01bf3304$bf3b8d20$fc877ed4@j4m4p3> <38371EC9.60A6A5BB@bonbon.net> Subject: Re: Money For Nothing...(but the chicks aren't free...) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 23:55:36 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 235 Lines: 7 Sounds familiar ;) ----- Original Message ----- From: Martin Fitzpatrick To: Sent: Saturday, November 20, 1999 10:20 PM Subject: Re: Money For Nothing...(but the chicks aren't free...) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Nov 21 01:30:53 1999 Message-Id: <199911210129.BAA19863@shaggy.lineone.net> From: "The Mad Goose" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 01:33:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Let's get our act together... X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1653 Lines: 38 Right, Lets get our act together and get some of the sam-users ftp site turned into .dsk format stuff. Anybody got a real SAM running who'd be willing to get some of this stuff converted over? And anybody got anything else to add up there - those 128k conversion must be fair game now as most of the stuff is availablce for the Speccy. Colin M - can we stick the FRED issues up there yet? It seems a shame that lots of people will be unable to see some of the earlier stuff now that they're SAM's have crawled under the stairs. Surely the point of WinCoupe will be to maintain everybodys interest in the SAM rather than letting them all toddle off into PC obscurity and leaving the SAM to fade into the distant memory. Oh, and Happy Birthday SAM...I guess you must be ten years old by now. (I know this is a regular gripe of mine - people not letting go of the rights to SAM software - but unless we try and free up some stuff to use on WinCoupe - and stuff that will keep people interested - it's going to be of little value to either the PC or the SAM community. At least we can keep the interest there if we keep gettign fresh stuff put out on the ftp sites for free. Even if those who own the software rights distrubted it and kept tabs on who had copies - making them register to get stuff down for free...at least then they'd get a list of potential SAM software purchases...) Oh, and one very final thing... What's the big release for teh SAM this Christmas...har har...? Peace, Love and Kisses... JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk "It won't get better, but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Nov 21 03:03:19 1999 (SMTPD32-5.05) id AF3D123603EC; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 21:55:57 -0500 Message-ID: <383760B5.8D7F8B80@unbounded.com> Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 03:02:13 +0000 From: Gavin Smith Organization: Castle Publishing X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Let's get our act together... References: <199911210129.BAA19863@shaggy.lineone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 667 Lines: 16 The Mad Goose wrote: > Lets get our act together and get some of the sam-users ftp site > turned into .dsk format stuff. Anybody got a real SAM running > who'd be willing to get some of this stuff converted over? Agreed mate! I asked for this a month or two ago, but we somehow got bogged down into yet another fight about what fu*king compression to use :) Zipped .dsk files sound great to me. I'd do it, only I'm running a Mac which A) Can't run teledisk and B) hasn't got a floppy drive. > What's the big release for teh SAM this Christmas...har har...? People are still working on SAM stuff - I think you might be surprised what is coming next year! :) Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Nov 21 15:17:35 1999 Message-ID: <38380CDF.8F8A7712@sadsnail.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 15:16:47 +0000 From: Unc Organization: Sad Snail Productions X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-22 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Sam Coupe Scrapbook Updates / FAQ / WinCoupe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1551 Lines: 48 All, Just over 5 years ago, I first put my Sam web pages up. I thought I'd try to revamp them in time for their 5th birthday, but in true Sam Style, overran slightly ;-) By the time you read this, I'll have uploaded them to http://www.mono.org/~unc/Coupe/ The main changes are: verified a load of content (so you don't get comments like "19.99 from SamCo"). slightly new look, I never realised how horrible the old colour scheme was. added a few gifs. A lot of the lists are now built from a simple list, so hopefully future plans include things like lists of games based on genre, and if I can ever get CGI access maybe even a searcher. I know there is still probably still a lot missing, if anyone spots anything, let me know and I'll add it, likewise if you want your email/URL on the "People" page. (I deleted a load of invalid emails from this list. I know some of them have just changed, but I may not have put a new one up in this case.) Comments appreciated One of the things I made sure I copied over was Grahams FAQ, as I know there are pointers to it elsewhere. I remember a good few months ago, someone asking about the FAQ who was possibly planning to upadte it. Did this ever happen? Just to say this runs fine on my Cyrix 233Mhz MII. Syncs nicely to 50fps (although turning sync off suggests it doesn't get much faster!). Nice also to have sound, as I seem to recall I never really got the Sound working with the vanilla SimCoupe properly. Cheers, Tim From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Nov 21 15:50:22 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop3.house Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <38380CDF.8F8A7712@sadsnail.freeserve.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 15:41:36 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Sam Coupe Scrapbook Updates / FAQ / WinCoupe X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1078 Lines: 34 >I know there is still probably still a lot missing, if anyone spots >anything, let me know and I'll add it, likewise if you want your >email/URL on the "People" page. (I deleted a >load of invalid emails from this list. I know some of them have just >changed, but I may not have put a new one up in this case.) > >Comments appreciated > On the page http://www.mono.org/~unc/Coupe/Games/ ... Was Amalthea *really* written by Balor Knight?? Also, where you mention Splat - you mistpyed soeccy conversion. And Syncytium is not spelled Syncantium. Tch. BTW Perhaps you could add MNEMOtech to /Coupe/Producer/ ? IF you want a URL, that's http://mnemotech.ucam.org/ And feel free to add my email address to the contacts page (if you could use ascii@post.com - that should last beyond the end of this academic year...) Cheers Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Nov 21 17:15:59 1999 Message-ID: <383828A0.FD4725BB@sadsnail.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 17:15:12 +0000 From: Unc Organization: Sad Snail Productions X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-22 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Sam Coupe Scrapbook Updates / FAQ / WinCoupe References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 969 Lines: 30 Andrew Collier wrote: > > >I know there is still probably still a lot missing, if anyone spots > >anything, let me know and I'll add it, likewise if you want your > >email/URL on the "People" page. (I deleted a > >load of invalid emails from this list. I know some of them have just > Was Amalthea *really* written by Balor Knight?? Also, where you mention > Splat - you mistpyed soeccy conversion. Urm, probably not, C&P error from reptitive copying ;-) - Fixed. > And Syncytium is not spelled Syncantium. Tch. Apologies, dunno why that was wrong given it's spelt right elsewhere. - Fixed. > BTW Perhaps you could add MNEMOtech to /Coupe/Producer/ ? IF you want a > URL, that's http://mnemotech.ucam.org/ Done. I knew there was at least one group forgotten. > And feel free to add my email address to the contacts page (if you could > use ascii@post.com - that should last beyond the end of this academic > year...) Done. Cheers for the feedback, Tim From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Nov 21 19:14:46 1999 Message-ID: <001901bf3454$561cf9e0$7c4b08c3@j4m4p3> From: "David L" To: References: <383828A0.FD4725BB@sadsnail.freeserve.co.uk> Subject: Re: Sam Coupe Scrapbook Updates / FAQ / WinCoupe Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 19:12:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 830 Lines: 22 ----- Original Message ----- From: Unc To: Sent: Sunday, November 21, 1999 5:15 PM Subject: Re: Sam Coupe Scrapbook Updates / FAQ / WinCoupe > Andrew Collier wrote: > > > > >I know there is still probably still a lot missing, if anyone spots > > >anything, let me know and I'll add it, likewise if you want your > > >email/URL on the "People" page. (I deleted a > > >load of invalid emails from this list. I know some of them have just > > Was Amalthea *really* written by Balor Knight?? Also, where you mention > > Splat - you mistpyed soeccy conversion. Amalthea - Jupiter Software & Quazar coding - design Jupiter, Quazar & D Ledbury ;) (Well, sort of - I helped with some ideas on the compression side ;) Copyright? Bit unsure - Persona & Jupiter? Not quite sure! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Nov 21 19:30:41 1999 Message-ID: <002401bf3455$2ac855e0$7c4b08c3@j4m4p3> From: "David L" To: References: <383828A0.FD4725BB@sadsnail.freeserve.co.uk> Subject: Re: Sam Coupe Scrapbook Updates / FAQ / WinCoupe Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 19:15:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 263 Lines: 9 SAM Quartet: Author - David Ledbury SAM Prime: Author - David Ledbury ZAT: Editors - David Ledbury/Darren Blackburn Z2: Shitty 1 issue long Spectrum paper fanzine - lasted 1 issue... doesnt really belong on the SAM list ;) BTW any one got later issues of ZAT? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Nov 21 22:58:48 1999 Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 22:57:31 +0000 (GMT) From: Paul Walker To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: [OFF] Re: Money For Nothing...(but the chicks aren't free...) In-Reply-To: <3836B565.9F7CC071@unbounded.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 333 Lines: 12 On Sat, 20 Nov 1999, Gavin Smith wrote: > You obviously don't use the net as much as me! Before I got the 0800 > number, my phone bills were massive! Now I can download things like It's not permanent 0800 access, though, is it? ie 24/7? If so, then I might consider using AOL. If I can find a way to dial up using Linux. -- Paul From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Nov 21 23:56:51 1999 (SMTPD32-5.05) id A510BDB03F2; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 18:49:36 -0500 Message-ID: <38388684.7537A7FF@unbounded.com> Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 23:55:48 +0000 From: Gavin Smith Organization: Castle Publishing X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: [OFF] Re: Money For Nothing...(but the chicks aren't free...) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 701 Lines: 19 Paul Walker wrote: > > On Sat, 20 Nov 1999, Gavin Smith wrote: > > > You obviously don't use the net as much as me! Before I got the 0800 > > number, my phone bills were massive! Now I can download things like > > It's not permanent 0800 access, though, is it? ie 24/7? > > If so, then I might consider using AOL. If I can find a way to dial up using > Linux. If it wasn't, I certainly wouldn't be using it ;) It is, 24/7, permanent connection - but, as I said, it was a trial they were running, whilst the trial proved unviable for them (i.e. I probably stayed connected day and night pissing them off!), they decided not to introduce it publicly - so only 100 people have got it. Sorry! Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 22 00:04:12 1999 From: davgw@clara.co.uk (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: [OFF] Re: Money For Nothing...(but the chicks aren't free...) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 23:59:20 GMT Message-ID: <3838870c.28138411@relay.clara.net> References: <38388684.7537A7FF@unbounded.com> In-Reply-To: <38388684.7537A7FF@unbounded.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 722 Lines: 22 On Sun, 21 Nov 1999 23:55:48 +0000 Sun, 21 Nov 99 23:57:53 GMT, Gavin Smith wrote: >> >> It's not permanent 0800 access, though, is it? ie 24/7? >> >> If so, then I might consider using AOL. If I can find a way to dial up using >> Linux. > >If it wasn't, I certainly wouldn't be using it ;) It is, 24/7, permanent >connection - but, as I said, it was a trial they were running, whilst >the trial proved unviable for them (i.e. I probably stayed connected day >and night pissing them off!), they decided not to introduce it publicly >- so only 100 people have got it. Sorry! Damnit... my Clara freetime weekend funs out in less that 2 minutes! You lucky git! :-) Dave (make that 1 minute) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 22 08:17:13 1999 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: sskardon@argonet.co.uk (Stewart Skardon) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 08:14:52 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: Sam Coupe Scrapbook Updates / FAQ / WinCoupe Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 711 Lines: 27 Hi Folks, Just a quick note really. Firstly to say that an updated version of my SAM pages should be up and running later today. I'll probably post another message when it is done. Secondly, Tim, can I have a link from the Scrapbook pretty please? I must say, I like the new look. Much better than plain text! Dare I say it, but will this sudden trend to update web sites rub off on everyone? ;o) Cheers, Stewart -- _ (_'tewart email : sskardon@argonet.co.uk ,_)kardon http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/stewart/ ICQ : 18283999 * * * Stewart's SAM Coupe Information Pages. * * * http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 22 09:32:23 1999 Message-ID: <61BC4CA61D7CD311B19400A0C9DBF64E020B3E@NTSERVER> From: Chris Pile To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: RE: Sam Coupe Scrapbook Updates / FAQ / WinCoupe Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 09:32:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 561 Lines: 23 Tim, >> Was Amalthea *really* written by Balor Knight?? I can safely say that it wasn't!! >Done. I knew there was at least one group forgotten. At least one person and game forgotten too, namely me!! I was the 'other half' of Digital Reality with Balor Knight. I was the programmer of ProDOS, and also the recent game Defender. Defender is available here: http://homepages.enterprise.net/pegasus/defender Please feel free to link to it. The e-mail address on this page is invalid, but I can be contacted at: chrisp@crawfish.co.uk Cheers!! Chris. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 22 09:48:36 1999 From: David Ledbury To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Sam Coupe Scrapbook Updates / FAQ / WinCoupe X-Sender: sparticus@clara.co.uk X-Mailer: ClaraNet WWW E-Mail Client Date: Mon, 22 Nov 99 09:47:37 GMT Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 300 Lines: 12 > Dare I say it, but will this sudden trend to update web sites rub off on > everyone? ;o) > > Cheers, > > Stewart Well, I've been updating most of mine pages... but not the SAM ones yet! David PS: If this bounces a couple of times, sorry in advance! Posted via web client which is a bit erratic! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 22 09:56:02 1999 Message-ID: <753866CAB183D211883F0090271F46C20379FDD6@COW> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dan_Door=E9?= To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: Sam Coupe Scrapbook Updates / FAQ / WinCoupe Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 09:53:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 311 Lines: 15 > Comments appreciated Nice one Tim! Can I have a link to the Webring http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/coupe/webring/ in the resources bit? Dan. Work: dan@armature.com Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/ "Deep sea skiver, seabed lurker; Neptune is my social worker." - Punilux From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 22 11:21:20 1999 Message-ID: <38392643.68D3D1@bonbon.net> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 11:17:23 +0000 From: Martin Fitzpatrick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: [OFF] Re: Money For Nothing...(but the chicks aren't free...) References: <38388684.7537A7FF@unbounded.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1057 Lines: 28 Gavin Smith wrote: > > If it wasn't, I certainly wouldn't be using it ;) It is, 24/7, permanent > connection - but, as I said, it was a trial they were running, whilst > the trial proved unviable for them (i.e. I probably stayed connected day > and night pissing them off!), they decided not to introduce it publicly > - so only 100 people have got it. Sorry! But (blag coming, feel free to switch off).. Surely you could give us all your login/password to your account so we can use it to log on any time we like ....Yknow, out of the goodness of your heart & love of the sam community... (blah blah blah)...? :) Its similar to what I've done with my freecall-uk account. I've given my login id & password to loads of people to go on and use the account.... and so run up the credits for me, without me going online :)... So I just sit back and get to use the 0800 time (assuming they start running it) :) As long as I dont stay on too long, its effectively free... :) Fitz... -- Email: poohsticks@bonbon.net ICQ#: 11077801 AOL/CServeIM: Flupert From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 22 11:55:49 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BFCDBC4D@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: Question: MIDI sequencing Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 12:00:59 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1819 Lines: 52 I don't want to get into a legallity argument. But: By the sounds of it, the family wouldn't give a damn if the software was copied or not. Besides, they still have a few quid from me from my Blitz subscription. (It was only a few quid and I can't be bothered to pry it out of their hands - they probably need it more than me, anyway). What James could so is similar to what I saw on telly a while back. There was this guy who wrote to NASA and the Russian space agencies saying that if they had no objections, he would sell "real-estate" plots of land on the Moon and Mars. Of course, they never bothered replying....so he sold certificates for a fair amount of money to the unsuspecting general public... OK. Floppy disks are slightly different to heavenly bodies, but.... you know what I mean... Justin > -----Original Message----- > From: David L [SMTP:daveykins@theoffice.net] > Sent: Saturday, November 20, 1999 2:11 PM > To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Subject: Re: Question: MIDI sequencing > > > From: James Gasson > > > If it's not still being sold, then I would very much like it if you > > could send me a copy. (Do you mean by e-mail?, because I live in New > > Zealand.) > > > > Otherwise, I'm willing to post off a cheque to anyone who will accept > > it. So how much does (did) it cost anyway? (Hmmm, perhaps I should > > rephrase this...) > > Ahem! > > Before you start asking for a "copy" of this program which still legally > belongs to the Mackenzie family - I should check on the "who" list...! > personahq@postmaster.co.uk, and an equivellent freeserve account still > exists!!! > > Perhaps listening to what Gavin said, and sending an SAE to the address I > posted earlier would be a good idea. > > No cheque, just ask if available, and how much. > > David From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Mon Nov 22 12:07:19 1999 Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 12:07:19 +0000 From: Ian Collier To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: Re: Question: MIDI sequencing Message-ID: <19991122120719.A24435@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" References: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BFCDBC4D@mailhost.aculab.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BFCDBC4D@mailhost.aculab.com>; from Justin Skists on Mon, Nov 22, 1999 at 12:00:59PM -0000 Status: RO Content-Length: 342 Lines: 9 On Mon, Nov 22, 1999 at 12:00:59PM -0000, Justin Skists wrote: > There was this guy who wrote to NASA and the Russian space > agencies saying that if they had no objections, he would sell > "real-estate" plots of land on the Moon and Mars. That sounds like asking the UK government whether they mind if I sell off bits of France. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 22 13:32:16 1999 From: Gouranga@aol.com Message-ID: <0.30ed8cd8.256a9f62@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 08:30:10 EST Subject: Re: Let's get our act together... To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2185 Lines: 49 Indeed. Sounds good to me. I still have loose plans that one day I'll resurrect FRED, but I'd need to sort out a few personal things, as well as get enough support drummed up to ensure it lasted! In the meantime though, I don't see any problem with giving permission for say, the first fifty (50) issues of FRED to be available for download from the FTP site. I should add that copyright would still remain with original persons, blah blah blah. C. > Right, > > Lets get our act together and get some of the sam-users ftp site > turned into .dsk format stuff. Anybody got a real SAM running > who'd be willing to get some of this stuff converted over? > > And anybody got anything else to add up there - those 128k > conversion must be fair game now as most of the stuff is > availablce for the Speccy. > > Colin M - can we stick the FRED issues up there yet? It seems a > shame that lots of people will be unable to see some of the earlier > stuff now that they're SAM's have crawled under the stairs. > > Surely the point of WinCoupe will be to maintain everybodys > interest in the SAM rather than letting them all toddle off into PC > obscurity and leaving the SAM to fade into the distant memory. > > Oh, and Happy Birthday SAM...I guess you must be ten years old > by now. > > (I know this is a regular gripe of mine - people not letting go of the > rights to SAM software - but unless we try and free up some stuff > to use on WinCoupe - and stuff that will keep people interested - > it's going to be of little value to either the PC or the SAM community. > At least we can keep the interest there if we keep gettign fresh > stuff put out on the ftp sites for free. Even if those who own the > software rights distrubted it and kept tabs on who had copies - > making them register to get stuff down for free...at least then > they'd get a list of potential SAM software purchases...) > > Oh, and one very final thing... > > What's the big release for teh SAM this Christmas...har har...? > Peace, Love and Kisses... > JohnnaPig Teare > http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk > "It won't get better, but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 22 18:19:04 1999 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: sskardon@argonet.co.uk (Stewart Skardon) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 18:13:12 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Web pages update Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 439 Lines: 20 Right, By the time you have all read this, my updated web pages should be online. Take a look, and let me know what you think. Cheers, Stewart -- _ (_'tewart email : sskardon@argonet.co.uk ,_)kardon http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/stewart/ ICQ : 18283999 * * * Stewart's SAM Coupe Information Pages. * * * http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/sskardon/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 22 18:29:06 1999 From: davgw@clara.co.uk (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Let's get our act together... Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 18:18:00 GMT Message-ID: <383a8828.2767393@relay.clara.net> References: <0.30ed8cd8.256a9f62@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <0.30ed8cd8.256a9f62@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 650 Lines: 15 On Mon, 22 Nov 1999 08:30:10 EST Mon, 22 Nov 99 18:10:01 GMT, Gouranga@aol.com wrote: >Indeed. Sounds good to me. > >I still have loose plans that one day I'll resurrect FRED, but I'd need to sort out a few personal things, as well as get enough support drummed up to ensure it lasted! > >In the meantime though, I don't see any problem with giving permission for say, the first fifty (50) issues of FRED to be available for download from the FTP site. I should add that copyright would still remain with original persons, blah blah blah. You're a star Colin! I'll take back all the nasty and horrible things I ever said about you . Dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 22 19:01:03 1999 From: David Ledbury To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Let's get our act together... X-Sender: sparticus@clara.co.uk X-Mailer: ClaraNet WWW E-Mail Client Date: Mon, 22 Nov 99 18:58:56 GMT Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 211 Lines: 10 > You're a star Colin! I'll take back all the nasty and horrible things > I ever said about you . What? All of them? Including that comment about the squirty cream, the banana and the nun? Crikey! ;) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 22 19:14:19 1999 From: davgw@clara.co.uk (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Let's get our act together... Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 19:01:53 GMT Message-ID: <383d92ae.5461953@relay.clara.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 556 Lines: 19 On Mon, 22 Nov 99 18:58:56 GMT Mon, 22 Nov 99 19:00:23 GMT, David Ledbury wrote: >> You're a star Colin! I'll take back all the nasty and horrible things >> I ever said about you . > >What? All of them? > >Including that comment about the squirty cream, the banana and the nun? > >Crikey! Yep, even those. :-) I'd like to be cheeky though and ask if it's not pushing it for all the Enceladus and SAM Outlet issues to go up as well, so I'd better take back all the treacherous and diabolical things as well. :-) Dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 22 21:40:40 1999 Message-ID: <00ca01bf3531$9b10c3a0$e34e08c3@j4m4p3> From: "David L" To: References: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BFCDBC4D@mailhost.aculab.com> Subject: Re: Question: MIDI sequencing Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 21:36:14 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 750 Lines: 19 ----- Original Message ----- From: Justin Skists To: Sent: Monday, November 22, 1999 12:00 PM Subject: RE: Question: MIDI sequencing > I don't want to get into a legallity argument. But: > > By the sounds of it, the family wouldn't give a damn if the software > was copied or not. Besides, they still have a few quid from me from > my Blitz subscription. (It was only a few quid and I can't be bothered > to pry it out of their hands - they probably need it more than me, > anyway). Well I know Malcolm bought the rights outright, as he brought both it, the rights, and the SAM belonging to Tim Humprhies... in fact - he used that as part of the deal when he took over my titles from Phoenix... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Nov 23 10:37:09 1999 Message-ID: <753866CAB183D211883F0090271F46C20379FDE7@COW> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dan_Door=E9?= To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: Let's get our act together... Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 09:56:43 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 288 Lines: 12 > In the meantime though, I don't see any problem with giving > permission for say, the first fifty (50) issues of FRED to be > available for download from the FTP site. Splendid. I have some time at the weekend so I'll see how many FRED's I can DSK, Zip & upload to NVG. :-) Dan. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Nov 23 19:02:21 1999 From: JohnnaPig@aol.com Message-ID: <0.834b8c97.256c3e47@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 14:00:23 EST Subject: FRED starts the ball rolling... To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 137 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 935 Lines: 25 Well, FRED have started the ball rolling... Who's next to allow their magazine to be put up there? Mr Ledbury? Anything you wish to put forward? Do you have any rights on the newsdisk or anything? Adie - I know you float around here from time to time. Any chance of Chips and Pump going up on nvg? And what about the like of SAM Supp and enceladus? Who owns the rights to these at the moment? If we can't get games and utils up there, at least we can get magazines and pd demos. Why don't we purge the PD libraries and stick everything up there. Does anybody have contact with Derek Morgan? WinCoupe has reignited my interest in the SAM. And if it does so for me, then it will do for others. So lets give them something to do when they finally get their emulators up and running. Well done Colin M for setting the standard. Let's all chip in and get a decent backlog of SAM stuff up on nvg for all SAM users to use... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Nov 23 19:20:12 1999 Message-ID: <001101bf35e6$7778aa10$8e0a14ac@internal.sierra.com> From: "Simon Cooke" To: References: <0.834b8c97.256c3e47@aol.com> Subject: Re: FRED starts the ball rolling... Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 11:10:53 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 449 Lines: 15 > Adie - I know you float around here from time to time. Any chance of Chips > and Pump going up on nvg? Nah... Adie's a big wuss - she doesn't want to appear unprofessional. If all those stories about the whipped cream, thigh-high boots and suspenders came out and got around to the people who read her stuff now... I mean, just think of the frantic fawning that would go on. ... erm... I think I just got sidetracked into a fantasy... :) Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Nov 23 21:55:44 1999 Message-ID: <001001bf35fc$f6158760$564d08c3@j4m4p3> From: "David L" To: References: <0.834b8c97.256c3e47@aol.com> Subject: Re: FRED starts the ball rolling... Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 21:51:54 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 594 Lines: 23 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 7:00 PM Subject: FRED starts the ball rolling... > Well, FRED have started the ball rolling... > > Who's next to allow their magazine to be put up there? > > Mr Ledbury? Anything you wish to put forward? Do you have any rights on the > newsdisk or anything? I own very little.... anymore... if you want to stick the newsdisk up - you have my blessing! As far as I'm concerned, it still belongs to me... at least until Alan Miles pays me for the work on Newsdisk 6 & 7 :) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Nov 23 23:25:19 1999 Message-ID: <00cb01bf3609$a201dd60$564d08c3@j4m4p3> From: "David L" To: Subject: Web pages & shit... Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 23:22:37 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 279 Lines: 11 Well done with the new pages Stewart! Smashing work, even if it seems no-one else seems to give a fuck about the work u've done. Speaking of which... was planning to put up a page with a few SAM downloads, but I honestly can't be arsed. Hmmm.... a lesson to be learnt? David From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Nov 24 06:43:40 1999 From: Frode Tenneboe Message-Id: <199911240642.HAA11051@asmal.edh.ericsson.se> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 07:42:19 +0100 (MET) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: RE[3]: Sam's worst ever game In-Reply-To: <199911040742.IAA13356@asmal.edh.ericsson.se> X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.3.4-990530-sol MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id GAA23465 Status: RO Content-Length: 1056 Lines: 30 Frode Tenneboe wrote: > Dan Dooré wrote: > > > Who was she, anyway? I remember the scrolly saying something > > > like the piccy was taken from the Archemedes.. > > > > She was in 8 greyscales plus there was something dodgy going on with > her > > lips. > > > > It always looked like the cropped top of a porn picture to me :-) > > Her name is Mathilda. I've uploaded her to > ftp://ftp.nvg.ntnu.no/pub/sam-coupe/graphics/pics/mathilda_from_tetris.jpg > > At least I think it's her....:) OK! Correction. I have pretty much (99.99%) decided that I'm wrong. The lady from Tetris is none other than Nastassia Kinski. Original image is here: ftp://ftp.nvg.ntnu.no/pub/sam-coupe/graphics/pics/nastassia_from_tetris.jpg -Frode -- ^ Frode Tennebø | email: ft@edh.ericsson.se ^ | Ericsson Radar AS. | Isebakkeveien 49 | | Phone: +47 69 21 41 47 | N-1788 Halden | | with Standard.Disclaimer; use Standard.Disclaimer; | From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Nov 24 07:09:27 1999 Message-ID: <383B8E8D.C012446@bonbon.net> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 07:06:53 +0000 From: Martin Fitzpatrick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: FRED starts the ball rolling... References: <0.834b8c97.256c3e47@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 652 Lines: 22 JohnnaPig@aol.com wrote: > > Why don't we purge the PD libraries and stick everything up there. Does > anybody have contact with Derek Morgan? Well, I've got his address around here somewhere... This gives me a good excuse to actually get back in touch ..one of those "back from the dead" things... If he's ok with it I'll put all my old SCAD's games... ok... so its not *that* great, but its something to stick in yer drive... Thats assuming the disks still work :) ...actually.... if you take of the sync, theyll run faster in WinCoupe... maybe theyll be playable :) Fitz -- Email: poohsticks@bonbon.net ICQ#: 11077801 AOL/CServeIM: Flupert From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Nov 24 08:40:50 1999 Message-ID: <753866CAB183D211883F0090271F46C20379FDFB@COW> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dan_Door=E9?= To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: RE[3]: Sam's worst ever game Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 08:32:59 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 611 Lines: 22 > OK! Correction. I have pretty much (99.99%) decided that I'm > wrong. The lady from Tetris is none other than Nastassia Kinski. > Original image is here: > ftp://ftp.nvg.ntnu.no/pub/sam-coupe/graphics/pics/nastassia_from_tetris.jpg That's the baby! So *thats* what's going on with her lips - it's a perfume bottle! I was having a bash at Sam Tetris at 1am last night but only got a measly 150-odd lines. Must get more practice :-) Dan. Work: dan@armature.com Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/ "Deep sea skiver, seabed lurker; Neptune is my social worker." - Punilux From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Nov 24 09:36:48 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BFCDBC54@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: FRED starts the ball rolling... Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 09:43:38 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 906 Lines: 31 Hey peeps. I came this close to releasing my first version of MIDI-Bar (the SAM util that read MIDI data from the ports and displayed the note information as graphical bars on screen - I wrote it last year but never got around to polishing it for release). The trouble is, I couldn't be bothered to unpack my keyboard to test the program to make sure the release version still worked... Oh well, at least I finally got around to formatting a few SAM disks. (Now. Where's SAMDSK, the utility to write SAD files to disk, Outwrite and Defenders?) Justin. > -----Original Message----- > From: JohnnaPig@aol.com [SMTP:JohnnaPig@aol.com] > Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 7:00 PM > To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Subject: FRED starts the ball rolling... > > Well, FRED have started the ball rolling... > > > If we can't get games and utils up there, at least we can get magazines > and > pd demos. > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Nov 24 11:32:11 1999 Message-ID: <56EF8AA7FD4BD2119CE00008C7281BCA1A0202@ws01.isi.uk.com> From: shawm To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: FRED starts the ball rolling... Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 11:24:05 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1528 Lines: 49 Speaking of the excellent Wincoupe, where can I download it from, I am not the only one after it......I have it installed on my work PC, but not at home, and some idiot (me!) deleted the zip file...... I did ask last week but got no response...... Yours desperately...... matt.shaw@isi.uk.com 01675 444800 http://www.isi.uk.com > -----Original Message----- > From: JohnnaPig@aol.com [SMTP:JohnnaPig@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 11:21 AM > To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Subject: FRED starts the ball rolling... > > Well, FRED have started the ball rolling... > > Who's next to allow their magazine to be put up there? > > Mr Ledbury? Anything you wish to put forward? Do you have any rights on > the > newsdisk or anything? > > Adie - I know you float around here from time to time. Any chance of > Chips > and Pump going up on nvg? > > And what about the like of SAM Supp and enceladus? Who owns the rights to > these at the moment? > > If we can't get games and utils up there, at least we can get magazines > and > pd demos. > > Why don't we purge the PD libraries and stick everything up there. Does > anybody have contact with Derek Morgan? > > WinCoupe has reignited my interest in the SAM. And if it does so for me, > then > it will do for others. So lets give them something to do when they finally > > get their emulators up and running. > > Well done Colin M for setting the standard. Let's all chip in and get a > decent backlog of SAM stuff up on nvg for all SAM users to use... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Nov 24 11:38:14 1999 Message-ID: <753866CAB183D211883F0090271F46C20379FE03@COW> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dan_Door=E9?= To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: FRED starts the ball rolling... Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 11:35:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 423 Lines: 13 > Speaking of the excellent Wincoupe, where can I download it from, I > am not the only one after it......I have it installed on my > work PC, but not at home, and some idiot (me!) deleted the zip file...... http://www.obobo.demon.co.uk/WinCoupe.zip Dan. Work: dan@armature.com Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/ "Deep sea skiver, seabed lurker; Neptune is my social worker." - Punilux From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Nov 24 12:04:37 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BFCDBC59@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "Sam-Users (E-mail)" Subject: .sad disks? Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:09:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 285 Lines: 12 This is going to make me sound like a complete moronic newbie... Right. I got hold of samdsk. A couple of .dsk files and a .sad file. A .sad file.......hmmmmm........ Haylp!!!!!!!!!!! What on earth do I do with this .sad disk file? Where's a .sad to real disk mover?????? Justin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Nov 24 12:10:42 1999 Message-ID: <753866CAB183D211883F0090271F46C20379FE05@COW> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dan_Door=E9?= To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: .sad disks? Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:08:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 377 Lines: 13 > What on earth do I do with this .sad disk file? Where's a .sad to > real disk mover?????? SAD is Aley's disk format, the tools for conversion are at: http://www.inf.upol.cz/~keprta/sam/soft/welcome.html Dan. Work: dan@armature.com Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/ "Deep sea skiver, seabed lurker; Neptune is my social worker." - Punilux From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Nov 24 12:25:07 1999 X-sendmail-revision: 19-Sep-1999 (24) by ant@tissoft.co.uk Message-ID: <001301bf3676$fabfd520$3701a8c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> From: "Nick Humphries" To: Subject: OT: Java WFC Help!! Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:25:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 549 Lines: 17 Hello there, I'm trying to write a Java applet for a web page and use Microsoft's WFC Graphics class (and related classes in com.ms.wfc.ui.*). Trouble is, I can't get the paint() function to work as it's defined to use java.awt.Graphics. I think I've got my program to draw correctly to the WFC graphics class, but I need to know: 1) How to initialize the WFC Graphics class so it will draw to the java applet window within the web page, and 2) How to get paint() to read from the WFC graphics class when redrawing. Nick Humphries. (Stressed) From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Wed Nov 24 12:27:34 1999 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:27:34 +0000 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: OT: Java WFC Help!! Message-ID: <19991124122734.B288@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no References: <001301bf3676$fabfd520$3701a8c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <001301bf3676$fabfd520$3701a8c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk>; from Nick Humphries on Wed, Nov 24, 1999 at 12:25:22PM -0000 Status: RO Content-Length: 257 Lines: 8 On Wed, Nov 24, 1999 at 12:25:22PM -0000, Nick Humphries wrote: > I'm trying to write a Java applet for a web page and use Microsoft's WFC > Graphics class Which presumably means that it won't work for anyone who doesn't bow to the almighty Gates... imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Nov 24 12:44:02 1999 X-sendmail-revision: 19-Sep-1999 (24) by ant@tissoft.co.uk Message-ID: <001601bf3677$9690bfa0$3701a8c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> From: "Nick Humphries" To: Subject: OT: More Java WFC Help Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:29:44 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 196 Lines: 7 Actually, what I could use is a Java applet program source code that uses WFC so I can make sure I'm initializing and using it correctly. If anyone can help, I'd be their friend for life! Nick From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Nov 24 12:44:05 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BFCDBC5A@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: .sad disks? Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:36:05 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id MAA01546 Status: RO Content-Length: 648 Lines: 23 Thanks. It looks like I've got some sam playing to do, tonight... > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Dooré [SMTP:dan@armature.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 12:09 PM > To: 'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no' > Subject: RE: .sad disks? > > > What on earth do I do with this .sad disk file? Where's a .sad to > > real disk mover?????? > > SAD is Aley's disk format, the tools for conversion are at: > http://www.inf.upol.cz/~keprta/sam/soft/welcome.html > > Dan. > > Work: dan@armature.com > Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk > VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/ > > "Deep sea skiver, seabed lurker; Neptune is my social worker." - Punilux From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Nov 24 13:02:43 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BFCDBC5B@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "Sam-Users (E-mail)" Subject: samdsk Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 13:05:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 241 Lines: 10 OK, gang. SAMDSK - right... What does Error 0x2000 mean? it seems to try writing the first sector a few times, say the error and carry on like nothing has happened. Oh, I'm running it in a dos box in NT4.0 SP-something-or-other. Justin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Nov 24 13:46:27 1999 X-sendmail-revision: 19-Sep-1999 (24) by ant@tissoft.co.uk Message-ID: <003101bf3682$5d972c60$3701a8c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> From: "Nick Humphries" To: Subject: Re: OT: Java WFC Help!! Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 13:46:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 100 Lines: 5 Panic over. Use of WFC was a panic measure - the solution was just to program Java properly. Nick From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Nov 24 15:06:57 1999 (SMTPD32-5.05) id AD1AB440214; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 09:58:34 -0500 Message-ID: <383BFE87.1E795002@unbounded.com> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:04:40 +0000 From: Gavin Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: samdsk References: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BFCDBC5B@mailhost.aculab.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 477 Lines: 18 Justin Skists wrote: > > OK, gang. > > SAMDSK - right... > > What does Error 0x2000 mean? it seems to try writing the first sector > a few times, say the error and carry on like nothing has happened. > > Oh, I'm running it in a dos box in NT4.0 SP-something-or-other. > > Justin. Completely off the top of my head, haven't used it for several weeks - you need to shut down into DOS (i.e. not a DOS prompt) - at least that's what you need to do in Win 95 and 98... Gavin From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Nov 24 16:51:40 1999 From: David Ledbury To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: samdsk X-Sender: sparticus@clara.co.uk X-Mailer: ClaraNet WWW E-Mail Client Date: Wed, 24 Nov 99 16:38:53 GMT Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 466 Lines: 16 > Justin Skists wrote: > > > > OK, gang. > > > > SAMDSK - right... > > > > What does Error 0x2000 mean? it seems to try writing the first sector > > a few times, say the error and carry on like nothing has happened. > > > > Oh, I'm running it in a dos box in NT4.0 SP-something-or-other. > > > > Justin. Sounds like one for Chris P.... I seem to remember u had to run the SAM Format proggy, quit from it and this enabled the Int 13 emulation or summthink.... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Nov 24 17:14:33 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BFCDBC5E@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: samdsk Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 17:01:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 705 Lines: 25 What SAM Format proggy? > -----Original Message----- > From: David Ledbury [SMTP:daveykins@theoffice.net] > Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 4:39 PM > To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Subject: Re: samdsk > > > Justin Skists wrote: > > > > > > OK, gang. > > > > > > SAMDSK - right... > > > > > > What does Error 0x2000 mean? it seems to try writing the first sector > > > a few times, say the error and carry on like nothing has happened. > > > > > > Oh, I'm running it in a dos box in NT4.0 SP-something-or-other. > > > > > > Justin. > > Sounds like one for Chris P.... > > I seem to remember u had to run the SAM Format proggy, quit from it and > this enabled the Int 13 emulation or summthink.... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Nov 24 19:11:24 1999 Message-ID: <383C37AE.C17D5B1E@sadsnail.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 19:08:30 +0000 From: Unc Organization: Sad Snail Productions X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-22 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Sam Coupe Scrapbook Updates / FAQ / WinCoupe References: <383828A0.FD4725BB@sadsnail.freeserve.co.uk> <001901bf3454$561cf9e0$7c4b08c3@j4m4p3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 626 Lines: 29 Various People Wrote: > AM Quartet: Author - David Ledbury > SAM Prime: Author - David Ledbury > ZAT: Editors - David Ledbury/Darren Blackburn > Z2: Shitty 1 issue long Spectrum paper fanzine - lasted 1 issue... doesnt > really belong on the SAM list ;) Done. > Secondly, Tim, can I have a link from the Scrapbook pretty please? Done. > I must say, I like the new look. Much better than plain text! Thanks :-) Amazing what a difference some new colours and a two images does. > At least one person and game forgotten too, namely me!! Done. > Can I have a link to the Webring Done. Cheers all for the feedback. Tim From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Nov 24 19:58:34 1999 Message-ID: <003501bf36b3$191fbee0$8e0a14ac@internal.sierra.com> From: "Simon Cooke" To: References: <003101bf3682$5d972c60$3701a8c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> Subject: Re: OT: Java WFC Help!! Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 11:35:42 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 679 Lines: 21 > Panic over. Use of WFC was a panic measure - the solution was just to program > Java properly. Indeed :) If I'd been able to respond earlier, I could have told you this - while I was at Microsoft, I was working on WFC :) In fact, if you're using the latest Microsoft JVM, its got some of my WFC bugfixes in there :-) WFC is not for Applets... it's for Windows programs. Which it does exceedingly well. The only problem, of course, is that Java is REALLY BAD with Strings. Memory hog. What can I say? So forget writing editors, compilers or parsers in it. Personally, I'm moving over to Win32 just as soon as I finish hacking together my mini-Win32 wrapper library. :) Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Nov 24 19:58:35 1999 Message-ID: <004301bf36b3$72aefde0$8e0a14ac@internal.sierra.com> From: "Simon Cooke" To: References: <001301bf3676$fabfd520$3701a8c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> <19991124122734.B288@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Subject: Re: OT: Java WFC Help!! Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 11:38:12 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 857 Lines: 20 > On Wed, Nov 24, 1999 at 12:25:22PM -0000, Nick Humphries wrote: > > I'm trying to write a Java applet for a web page and use Microsoft's WFC > > Graphics class > > Which presumably means that it won't work for anyone who doesn't bow to the > almighty Gates... Well, actually, it won't work for anyone - you can't use WFC's Graphics classes against AWT. WFC is for programming Windows programs using Java. It's not designed for cross-platform work - its sole purpose is to allow you to program kick-ass Windows apps using the Java language (main benefit: a factor of 20 increase in productivity over using C++ to do the same thing, and it's a much nicer language to program in than Visual Basic). You can't use WFC in any kind of cross-platform manner - even by accident - because WFC depends on information that the JVM can't provide to applets. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Nov 25 00:39:20 1999 Message-ID: <005301bf36db$e947d580$0400240a@BADSector> From: "Dave Hooper" To: References: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BFCDBC5E@mailhost.aculab.com> Subject: Re: samdsk Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 00:27:10 -0000 Organization: @ spc MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1528 Lines: 51 Hi. If anyone's to blame, it's most probably me, since I actually wrote the damn thing! :) Um, are you *sure* it says "Error 0x2000" ? I can't actually find that in my source code ... I've also (ahem) lost the docs for samdsk and also for the C libraries that I use ... If anyone uses DJGPP could they tell me what the error code from the _bios_disk function is ... and what a return value of either (0x20**) or (0x2000**) means ... ! But yep, I'd say that running it from a genuine DOS prompt should be more successful than running it in a DOS shell under Windows. What SAM Format proggy? D a v e @ s p c ----- Original Message ----- From: Justin Skists To: Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 5:01 PM Subject: RE: samdsk > What SAM Format proggy? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David Ledbury [SMTP:daveykins@theoffice.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 4:39 PM > > To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > > Subject: Re: samdsk > > > > > Justin Skists wrote: > > > > > > > > OK, gang. > > > > > > > > SAMDSK - right... > > > > > > > > What does Error 0x2000 mean? it seems to try writing the first sector > > > > a few times, say the error and carry on like nothing has happened. > > > > > > > > Oh, I'm running it in a dos box in NT4.0 SP-something-or-other. > > > > > > > > Justin. > > > > Sounds like one for Chris P.... > > > > I seem to remember u had to run the SAM Format proggy, quit from it and > > this enabled the Int 13 emulation or summthink.... > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Nov 25 09:36:55 1999 X-sendmail-revision: 19-Sep-1999 (24) by ant@tissoft.co.uk Message-ID: <004601bf3728$72edcd70$3701a8c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> From: "Nick Humphries" To: Subject: Re: OT: Java WFC Help!! Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 09:35:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 332 Lines: 17 From: Simon Cooke >> Panic over. Use of WFC was a panic measure - the solution was just to >program >> Java properly. >WFC is not for Applets... it's for Windows programs. I just wish VJ++'s help files documented the stuff which MS replaced in WFC. Things like mouseOver and the like. Nick From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Nov 25 10:20:58 1999 Message-ID: <61BC4CA61D7CD311B19400A0C9DBF64E020D92@NTSERVER> From: Chris Pile To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: RE: Sam Coupe Scrapbook Updates / FAQ / WinCoupe Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 10:21:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 157 Lines: 6 >> At least one person and game forgotten too, namely me!! > >Done. Cheers Tim! I agree with everyone else, the new colourful format is far more pleasing! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Nov 25 11:42:32 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BFCDBC65@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: samdsk Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 11:48:57 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1389 Lines: 36 It definitely said "Error 0x2000" in the top left hand corner. I just checked the ref guide at http://www.delorie.com/djgpp/doc/libc-2.02/ and 0x20 (in AH) means "Controller failure". Hmmm.... If I remember rightly, the program gave 9 boxes and an X for each track. My SAM certainly did not like booting the resulting disks... Failing any attempt at getting this (work's) computer to do anything right, can someone tell me the format of .dsk and how it maps to a real disk using something like WRITE AT statements in BASIC. If I have to, I'll split the .dsk file into 2 400K blocks and get my SAM to write out the damn disk!!!! I'm determined to play with these utilities and games that I downloaded whether it kills me or not!!!! Justin. > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Hooper [SMTP:dave@aziraphale.demon.co.uk] > Sent: Thursday, November 25, 1999 12:27 AM > To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Subject: Re: samdsk > > Hi. If anyone's to blame, it's most probably me, since I actually wrote > the > damn thing! :) > > Um, are you *sure* it says "Error 0x2000" ? I can't actually find that in > my > source code ... I've also (ahem) lost the docs for samdsk and also for the > C > libraries that I use ... > If anyone uses DJGPP could they tell me what the error code from the > _bios_disk function is ... and what a return value of either (0x20**) or > (0x2000**) means ... ! > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Nov 25 12:33:36 1999 From: "Si Owen" To: Subject: RE: samdsk Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 12:32:39 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BFCDBC65@mailhost.aculab.com> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1003 Lines: 23 Justin Skists wrote: > If I remember rightly, the program gave 9 boxes and an X for each > track. My SAM certainly did not like booting the resulting disks... Ah, so it can't read the 10th sector. I think you need the special version of FDREAD to allow access to the 10th sector... > I'm determined to play with these utilities and games that I > downloaded whether it kills me or not!!!! I've been using Aley's 2SAD.EXE with the -s option to convert from .DSK to the normal uncompressed .SAD files, then using his SBK.EXE with the 'r' command to write it back out to a real floppy. All best done from real DOS or Command-prompt only mode outside Win9x (not on NT!). Both those utilities can be found in: ftp://ftp.nvg.unit.no/pub/sam-coupe/emulation/simcoupe/SimCoupe079_DOS.zip It shouldn't be long before you can do it all from within WinCoupe, by selecting the source .DSK image in one drive and the real floppy drive in the other, then just doing a normal SAM disk copy between them... Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Nov 25 13:24:24 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BFCDBC67@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: samdsk Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 13:31:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1031 Lines: 28 >> I'm determined to play with these utilities and games that I >> downloaded whether it kills me or not!!!! > >I've been using Aley's 2SAD.EXE with the -s option to convert from .DSK to >the normal uncompressed .SAD files, then using his SBK.EXE with the 'r' >command to write it back out to a real floppy. All best done from real DOS >or Command-prompt only mode outside Win9x (not on NT!). Both those Si, Thanks for the tips. I have just rebooted back into NT4 from DOS after your advice. New disks have been created and they seem to display the directory with Aley's SMD program. Maybe I should've checked that samdsk worked whilst I was in DOS mode... I want to play with them, now! :) >It shouldn't be long before you can do it all from within WinCoupe, by >selecting the source .DSK image in one drive and the real floppy drive in >the other, then just doing a normal SAM disk copy between them... If I had so much trouble with this from NT4. How is doing it all from WinCoupe going to help it any better? Justin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Nov 25 15:25:32 1999 Message-ID: <003201bf3759$1a3d3860$3a6ff4d1@simcooke3> From: "Simon Cooke" To: References: <004601bf3728$72edcd70$3701a8c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> Subject: Re: OT: Java WFC Help!! Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 07:24:00 -0800 Organization: Entropy Technology MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1058 Lines: 32 From: Nick Humphries > >WFC is not for Applets... it's for Windows programs. > > I just wish VJ++'s help files documented the stuff which MS replaced in WFC. > Things like mouseOver and the like. Er... what like? There aren't any. The only differences are: Addition of a ton of packages that begin with "com.ms.*" (specifically, for WFC, you're interested in: com.ms.dll (J/Direct) com.ms.win32.* (J/Direct win32 wrappers) com.ms.wfc.* (WFC framework api) added: delegate and multicast keywords (which if you've installed Visual Studio SP3, aren't enabled by default - nor are the J/Direct @doc comment hints) Other than that, *NOTHING ELSE* has been changed (and nothing has been replaced). Nothing in java.* has been altered. The MS JVM supports up to and including Java 1.1 (but without some of the extension libs, which were optional). No later versions can be included due to legal disputes with Sun over things like WFC et al. Simon -- Clairvoyeurism - the supernatural ability to predict what someone will look like naked. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Nov 25 15:29:34 1999 Message-ID: <003e01bf3759$55d36e80$3a6ff4d1@simcooke3> From: "Simon Cooke" To: References: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BFCDBC67@mailhost.aculab.com> Subject: Re: samdsk Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 07:25:40 -0800 Organization: Entropy Technology MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 488 Lines: 12 From: Justin Skists > >It shouldn't be long before you can do it all from within WinCoupe, by > >selecting the source .DSK image in one drive and the real floppy drive in > >the other, then just doing a normal SAM disk copy between them... > > If I had so much trouble with this from NT4. How is doing it all > from WinCoupe going to help it any better? Using the Windows NT/ Windows 98 device driver dev kit and writing a filesystem driver for it? :-) Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Nov 25 15:38:20 1999 From: "Si Owen" To: Subject: RE: samdsk Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 15:39:02 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BFCDBC67@mailhost.aculab.com> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 657 Lines: 15 Justin Skists wrote: > If I had so much trouble with this from NT4. How is doing it all > from WinCoupe going to help it any better? Well, just as an abstraction layer to hide the conversion details; you can convert between DSK/SAD/SDF and real floppy just by copying disk to disk in the same way you would do on a real SAM. That said, the initial support is for Win95/98 only, as NT4/2000 will require a separate device driver to provide the functionality that the standard floppy kernel-mode driver lacks. It won't get done straight away, but I'd like to see it done at some point, as the NT based versions of Windows are the future of MS Windows. Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Nov 25 15:42:15 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BFCDBC6B@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: samdsk Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 15:48:21 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 863 Lines: 26 OK ok ok ok... being a dev driver developer, I should've known that :) Obviously, I wasn't thinking when I wrote that email! :) Staring at endless amounts "traceprintf"s from a unix device driver trying to determine where my interrupts are going (if it is interrupts that's causing my problem) tends to fry my brain...(especially if an inordinate amount of coffee has been consumed aswell) Justin. > -----Original Message----- > From: Simon Cooke [SMTP:simoncooke@earthlink.net] > Sent: Thursday, November 25, 1999 3:26 PM > To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Subject: Re: samdsk > > From: Justin Skists > > If I had so much trouble with this from NT4. How is doing it all > > from WinCoupe going to help it any better? > > Using the Windows NT/ Windows 98 device driver dev kit and writing a > filesystem driver for it? :-) > > Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Nov 25 15:53:47 1999 From: "Si Owen" To: Subject: RE: samdsk Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 15:54:38 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <003e01bf3759$55d36e80$3a6ff4d1@simcooke3> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1128 Lines: 22 Simon Cooke wrote: > Using the Windows NT/ Windows 98 device driver dev kit and writing a > filesystem driver for it? :-) I don't think so! Last time I checked the NT file systems driver docs were practically non-existant, and I don't fancy spending a couple of thousand on a course in the US for it! It'd also mean a separate version for Win9x, tho the documentation is better. I made a start on Win9x version a while back but didn't get very far through it before getting bored! It's more likely that an Explorer namespace extension is written to support the disk images in the same way as the MS CAB viewer. It'll only work from Explorer, but should make it very easy to copy files in and out of images. Something similar could probably be done for dealing with real disks, but I've not really thought very far down that track. Something I'll probably do first is an Explorer property-sheet handler for the disk images, which would give an authentic SAM directory list on a property tab. That could even support drag-n-drop as an alternative to the name space extension. So much to do, so little time to do it... Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Nov 25 18:17:13 1999 X-sendmail-revision: 19-Sep-1999 (24) by ant@tissoft.co.uk Message-ID: <001001bf3771$6eee5b10$3701a8c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> From: "Nick Humphries" To: Subject: Re: OT: Java WFC Help!! Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 18:18:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 718 Lines: 24 -----Original Message----- From: Simon Cooke To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: 25 November 1999 15:27 Subject: Re: OT: Java WFC Help!! >From: Nick Humphries >> >WFC is not for Applets... it's for Windows programs. >> >> I just wish VJ++'s help files documented the stuff which MS replaced in >WFC. >> Things like mouseOver and the like. > >Er... what like? There aren't any. Well, there isn't any documentation in MSDN for Java event handling functions like mouseDown(), mouseMove(), etc, etc. Highly annoying. (Yes, I know they've been "deprecated", whatever that means, but if they've been replaced, I would like to know with what...) Nick From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Nov 25 20:22:46 1999 Message-ID: <000701bf3782$b83f5e20$306cf4d1@simcooke3> From: "Simon Cooke" To: References: <001001bf3771$6eee5b10$3701a8c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> Subject: Re: OT: Java WFC Help!! Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 12:21:37 -0800 Organization: Entropy Technology MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 847 Lines: 21 From: Nick Humphries > Well, there isn't any documentation in MSDN for Java event handling functions > like mouseDown(), mouseMove(), etc, etc. Highly annoying. (Yes, I know they've > been "deprecated", whatever that means, but if they've been replaced, I would > like to know with what...) Ah... the changes are documented - but remember, it's *Sun* you're dealing with here, not Microsoft - Microsoft didn't make these changes, Sun did. The AWT event model was changed from the one mentioned above, to an "event listener" model for Java 1.1 (the old one still works and probably will forever more). Basically, you use an EventListener object (sometimes built using an anonymous inner class - UGH!) and bind that object to the event. Do a search for "EventListener" on Sun's site, and on MSDN for more information. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Nov 25 22:39:47 1999 Message-ID: <000d01bf3794$1aae9600$0400240a@BADSector> From: "Dave Hooper" To: , "Aley Keprt" Subject: SAAEmu 0.61 Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 22:26:15 -0000 Organization: @ spc MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1367 Lines: 27 I'm a bit disappointed in Aley's SAAEmu 0.61. 1. Credit on the main screen (as requested!). Preferably immediately below the line that says "Z80 emulator by FMS & Aley Keprt, libraries by (c) FMS 1996". If possible, credit should say "SAA-1099 emulator (c)1999 Dave Hooper latest @ http://www.geocities.com/stripwax". This is eighty characters. 2. Documentation (saaemu.rtf) should include my email address too. I'm afraid my version of MSWord does not correctly render the crazy {HYPERLINK: mailto:no-brain@mindless.com} field codes - it displays "Error! Bookmark not defined". At the very least change mine to read "Dave Hooper, the author of SAAsound: no-brain@mindless.com". Maybe change the others so they are human-readable too? 3. Ideally, your site (http://www.inf.upol.cz/~keprta/sam/saa//welcome.html) should also mention a link to get the latest version of SAASound.dll. Even an email address would do. 4. Are there bugs in saaemu 0.61? Every now-and-then it spews crazy rubbish all over the screen, including messages like "CPU HALTed and stuck at PC=0099h" . Seems to happen especially when doing "SAA32 tunes\enola" and playing and quitting and playing and quitting, a couple of times, and then doing "SAA32 tunes\tetris" I will shortly be releasing the source for saasound.dll (as soon as I'm happy with it and it's in a readable state!) D a v e From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Nov 25 23:21:16 1999 Message-ID: <004b01bf379b$7cf43160$834e08c3@j4m4p3> From: "David L" To: Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 23:19:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 114 Lines: 4 Pleased to see the overwhelming support for Stewarts work on his site. My mail box has never seen so much mail! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Nov 25 23:58:51 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop3.house Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004b01bf379b$7cf43160$834e08c3@j4m4p3> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 23:44:37 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1107 Lines: 27 At 11:34 pm +0000 25/11/99, David L wrote: >Pleased to see the overwhelming support for Stewarts work on his site. > >My mail box has never seen so much mail! Oh lawks - give it a rest, will you David? sam-users would get terribly boring if people sent hundreds of messages saying not much more than "Yes very nice". And why are *you* the one getting up-tight about it? I didn't get bucketloads of messages congratulating me on the new-look of my site when I moved it to mnemotech.ucam.org and completely redesigned it from the ground up. But then I wasn't expecting it - sam-users isn't the place for that. As for Stewart's site, yes it's a very good site - always has been - but I'm not sure I can see a lot about it which has changed much, apart from the frameset. A few nice extra logo graphics too, but really worth all the fanfare? Maybe I'm missing something. Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Nov 26 00:11:42 1999 Message-ID: <008d01bf37a2$91e50c00$834e08c3@j4m4p3> From: "David L" To: References: Subject: Re: Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 00:09:54 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1324 Lines: 38 whatever ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Collier To: Sent: Thursday, November 25, 1999 11:44 PM Subject: Re: > At 11:34 pm +0000 25/11/99, David L wrote: > >Pleased to see the overwhelming support for Stewarts work on his site. > > > >My mail box has never seen so much mail! > > Oh lawks - give it a rest, will you David? sam-users would get terribly > boring if people sent hundreds of messages saying not much more than "Yes > very nice". And why are *you* the one getting up-tight about it? > > I didn't get bucketloads of messages congratulating me on the new-look of > my site when I moved it to mnemotech.ucam.org and completely redesigned it > from the ground up. But then I wasn't expecting it - sam-users isn't the > place for that. > > As for Stewart's site, yes it's a very good site - always has been - but > I'm not sure I can see a lot about it which has changed much, apart from > the frameset. A few nice extra logo graphics too, but really worth all the > fanfare? Maybe I'm missing something. > > Andrew > > -- > -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other > -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a > -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file > -- > > > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Nov 26 00:27:00 1999 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 00:25:12 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: References: <008d01bf37a2$91e50c00$834e08c3@j4m4p3> In-Reply-To: <008d01bf37a2$91e50c00$834e08c3@j4m4p3> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 4.01 <8OHKkEUpoELRXEckwUjJGSM0AF> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 916 Lines: 31 In message <008d01bf37a2$91e50c00$834e08c3@j4m4p3>, David L writes >whatever ^^^^^^^^^ >----- Original Message ----- >From: Andrew Collier >To: >Sent: Thursday, November 25, 1999 11:44 PM >Subject: Re: > > >> At 11:34 pm +0000 25/11/99, David L wrote: >> >Pleased to see the overwhelming support for Stewarts work on his site. >> > >> >My mail box has never seen so much mail! >> >> Oh lawks - give it a rest, will you David? sam-users would get terribly >> boring if people sent hundreds of messages saying not much more than "Yes >> very nice". And why are *you* the one getting up-tight about it? Well Dave seems to like messages of the one-word variety, Andrew. ;) Graham Goring -- /====================================\ | Ber-Limey! There's not even enough | |room to swing a cat in this sodding-| \=========== ICQ: 5333545 ===========/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Nov 26 06:53:06 1999 From: Frode Tenneboe Message-Id: <199911260652.HAA02504@alne.edh.ericsson.se> Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 07:52:15 +0100 (MET) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: RE[2]: samdsk In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.3.4-990530-sol MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id GAA12812 Status: RO Content-Length: 456 Lines: 15 "Si Owen" wrote: > as the NT based versions of > Windows are the future of MS Windows. I didn't know it had any. :) <\FLAMEBAIT> -Frode -- ^ Frode Tennebø | email: ft@edh.ericsson.se ^ | Ericsson Radar AS. | Isebakkeveien 49 | | Phone: +47 69 21 41 47 | N-1788 Halden | | with Standard.Disclaimer; use Standard.Disclaimer; | From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Nov 26 08:01:07 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop3.house Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <008d01bf37a2$91e50c00$834e08c3@j4m4p3> <008d01bf37a2$91e50c00$834e08c3@j4m4p3> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 00:32:48 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 485 Lines: 19 At 12:28 am +0000 26/11/99, Graham Goring wrote: >In message <008d01bf37a2$91e50c00$834e08c3@j4m4p3>, David L > writes >>whatever >Well Dave seems to like messages of the one-word variety, Andrew. ;) Indeed. Andrew PS. -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Nov 26 09:22:27 1999 Message-ID: <61BC4CA61D7CD311B19400A0C9DBF64E020DFE@NTSERVER> From: Chris Pile To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: RE: SAAEmu 0.61 Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 09:23:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 430 Lines: 12 >-----Original Message----- >From: Dave Hooper [mailto:dave@aziraphale.demon.co.uk] > >I'm a bit disappointed in Aley's SAAEmu 0.61. > >1. Credit on the main screen (as requested!). Preferably >immediately below the line that says "Z80 emulator by FMS >& Aley Keprt, libraries by (c) FMS 1996". If possible, credit >should say "SAA-1099 emulator (c)1999 Dave Hooper Agreed 100%. Credit should be given where it's due I say... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Nov 26 09:41:11 1999 From: "Si Owen" To: Subject: Re[2]: samdsk Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 09:41:31 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <199911260652.HAA02504@alne.edh.ericsson.se> Importance: Normal X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 381 Lines: 16 Frode Tenneboe wrote: > "Si Owen" wrote: > > as the NT based versions of > > Windows are the future of MS Windows. > > I didn't know it had any. :) > <\FLAMEBAIT> Go get him Aley! ;-) I was careful not to just say 'the future of windows'! W2K is close to complexity critical mass by the sounds of it, so it'll probably explode before 2001. Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Nov 26 09:54:18 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BFCDBC6D@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: samdsk: thanks. Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 10:01:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 546 Lines: 19 Yay! I finally got my newly created sam disks to work in my real SAM. Excellent stuff... That modplayer someone sent me eons ago is pretty cool. Now I've got to start downloading countless mod-files to play... Outwrite will be good once I work out how to use it... :) Took me a while to work out how to load the manual! (I pressed random keys until something happened!) Oh, And Chris Pile's Defender. Wow! If you haven't played it, play it now! (Or was I the last one to do so?) But did he have to make it so damn difficult???? :) Justin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Nov 26 10:01:15 1999 Message-ID: <61BC4CA61D7CD311B19400A0C9DBF64E020E06@NTSERVER> From: Chris Pile To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: RE: samdsk: thanks. Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 10:01:51 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 448 Lines: 14 >-----Original Message----- >From: Justin Skists [mailto:Justin.Skists@aculab.com] >Sent: 26 November 1999 10:01 >To: 'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no' >Subject: samdsk: thanks. >Oh, And Chris Pile's Defender. Wow! If you haven't played it, play it >now! (Or was I the last one to do so?) But did he have to make it so >damn difficult???? :) Thanks, I'm lad you like it!! Hard? Well I did try to get it as close to the original as I could!! ;-) Chris. From imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk Fri Nov 26 10:19:43 1999 Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 10:19:43 +0000 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Message-ID: <19991126101943.A3173@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no References: <008d01bf37a2$91e50c00$834e08c3@j4m4p3> <008d01bf37a2$91e50c00$834e08c3@j4m4p3> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Andrew Collier on Fri, Nov 26, 1999 at 12:32:48AM +0000 Status: RO Content-Length: 196 Lines: 7 On Fri, Nov 26, 1999 at 12:32:48AM +0000, Andrew Collier wrote: > Indeed. You seem to have forgotten to put a quotation of the entire previous message including sig at the end of your mail. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Nov 26 10:38:47 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BFCDBC6E@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: defender (was: samdsk: thanks.) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 10:45:27 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 595 Lines: 18 I loved playing the Defender clones, when I was a kid, on the speccy. Perhaps it is difficult because I'm out of practice... :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Pile [SMTP:ChrisP@CRAWFISH.co.uk] > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Justin Skists [mailto:Justin.Skists@aculab.com] > > >Oh, And Chris Pile's Defender. Wow! If you haven't played it, play it > >now! (Or was I the last one to do so?) But did he have to make it so > >damn difficult???? :) > > Thanks, I'm lad you like it!! Hard? Well I did try to get it as close > to the original as I could!! ;-) > > Chris. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Nov 26 10:46:07 1999 Message-ID: <61BC4CA61D7CD311B19400A0C9DBF64E020E0F@NTSERVER> From: Chris Pile To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: RE: defender (was: samdsk: thanks.) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 10:46:47 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 637 Lines: 18 >-----Original Message----- >From: Justin Skists [mailto:Justin.Skists@aculab.com] >Sent: 26 November 1999 10:45 >To: 'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no' >Subject: defender (was: samdsk: thanks.) >I loved playing the Defender clones, when I was a kid, on the speccy. >Perhaps it is difficult because I'm out of practice... :) Could be!! But you did have to be a bit of a contortionist in the finger department to play the original!! Especially if you were 'unlucky' enough to find one with buttons for up/down, rather than a joystick!! Imagine trying to mimic the original twin-joystick control of Robotron-2084 on a SAM keyboard!! ;) Chris. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Nov 26 10:52:43 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BFCDBC6F@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: defender (was: samdsk: thanks.) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 10:55:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 813 Lines: 23 How did you manage to get the SAM conversion as close to the original as possible? Do you actually have a Defender arcade machine in your bedroom, or something? :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Pile [SMTP:ChrisP@CRAWFISH.co.uk] > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Justin Skists [mailto:Justin.Skists@aculab.com] > > >I loved playing the Defender clones, when I was a kid, on the speccy. > >Perhaps it is difficult because I'm out of practice... :) > > Could be!! But you did have to be a bit of a contortionist in the finger > department to play the original!! Especially if you were 'unlucky' enough > to find one with buttons for up/down, rather than a joystick!! > > Imagine trying to mimic the original twin-joystick control of > Robotron-2084 > on > a SAM keyboard!! ;) > > Chris. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Nov 26 10:53:44 1999 Message-ID: <753866CAB183D211883F0090271F46C20379FE25@COW> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dan_Door=E9?= To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: defender (was: samdsk: thanks.) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 10:52:37 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 450 Lines: 12 > Could be!! But you did have to be a bit of a contortionist > in the finger > department to play the original!! Especially if you were > 'unlucky' enough > to find one with buttons for up/down, rather than a joystick!! It could be yours for a mere UKP1500 http://www.emuunlim.com/Arcadewarehouse/defender.html with the buttons or http://www.emuunlim.com/Arcadewarehouse/defender-cocktail.html for the table top version with the stick :-) Dan. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Nov 26 10:57:54 1999 Message-ID: <61BC4CA61D7CD311B19400A0C9DBF64E020E15@NTSERVER> From: Chris Pile To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: RE: defender (was: samdsk: thanks.) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 10:56:09 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 423 Lines: 11 >-----Original Message----- >From: Justin Skists [mailto:Justin.Skists@aculab.com] >Sent: 26 November 1999 10:56 >To: 'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no' >Subject: RE: defender (was: samdsk: thanks.) > >How did you manage to get the SAM conversion as close to the original >as possible? Do you actually have a Defender arcade machine in your >bedroom, or something? :) I'll reply off-list, as it's likely to become wildly off-topic!! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Nov 26 10:57:55 1999 Message-ID: <61BC4CA61D7CD311B19400A0C9DBF64E020E16@NTSERVER> From: Chris Pile To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: RE: defender (was: samdsk: thanks.) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 10:58:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id KAA17535 Status: RO Content-Length: 497 Lines: 15 >-----Original Message----- >From: Dan Dooré [mailto:dan@armature.com] >Sent: 26 November 1999 10:53 >To: 'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no' >Subject: RE: defender (was: samdsk: thanks.) >It could be yours for a mere UKP1500 >http://www.emuunlim.com/Arcadewarehouse/defender.html with the >buttons or >http://www.emuunlim.com/Arcadewarehouse/defender-cocktail.html >for the table >top version with the stick :-) Oh, to dream!!! Mmmmmm, I wonder if I could live without rent/food bills this month!! ;-) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Nov 26 18:58:58 1999 Message-ID: <000101bf3840$088109c0$361bac3e@default> From: "Robert Wilkinson" To: "Sam Usergroup" Subject: Wincoupe bug Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 18:55:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 105 Lines: 11 Wincoupe has a wierd effect on my Win 95 desktop. It keeps re-arranging my icons. Bob Wilkinson. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Nov 26 19:43:21 1999 Message-Id: <199911261941.OAA17425@dot.crosswinds.net> From: "James R Curry" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 14:41:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Wincoupe bug In-reply-to: <000101bf3840$088109c0$361bac3e@default> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01d) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 324 Lines: 14 > > Wincoupe has a wierd effect on my Win 95 desktop. > It keeps re-arranging my icons. > > > Bob Wilkinson. Actually, it's slowly replacing Windows 95 with a PC port of Driver. -- James R Curry - James@curry.com "The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!" The OFFICIAL James R Curry Webpage is at http://www.lhutz.demon.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Nov 26 19:43:22 1999 Message-Id: <199911261941.OAA17530@dot.crosswinds.net> From: "James R Curry" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 14:41:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: In-reply-to: <19991126101943.A3173@comlab.ox.ac.uk> References: ; from Andrew Collier on Fri, Nov 26, 1999 at 12:32:48AM +0000 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01d) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 474 Lines: 16 > On Fri, Nov 26, 1999 at 12:32:48AM +0000, Andrew Collier wrote: > > Indeed. > > You seem to have forgotten to put a quotation of the entire previous > message including sig at the end of your mail. > > imc Oh my... I've had a headache this last week and that made me laugh hard enough to cheer me up no end. Thank you, Ian. -- James R Curry - James@curry.com "The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!" The OFFICIAL James R Curry Webpage is at http://www.lhutz.demon.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Nov 26 19:54:38 1999 From: "Dave Laundon" To: Subject: RE: Wincoupe bug Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 19:54:23 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000101bf3840$088109c0$361bac3e@default> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1076 Lines: 28 Robert Wilkinson wrote: > > Wincoupe has a wierd effect on my Win 95 desktop. > It keeps re-arranging my icons. > > > Bob Wilkinson. While we're on the subject, I've got a couple of bugs/ideas I was going to mention too. First, I still can't seem to get the MOD Player to work. Was this supposed to have been fixed? Or is it still being worked on, Dave? Another sound bug, playing tunes which have envelopes enabled for saw waves, etc (eg, a lot of Roger Hartley tunes) the enveloped channels sound out of tune, especially at low frequencies. I think it is the frequency of the channel controlling the envelope frequency being heard as a tone, when it should be silent? I don't know, just a guess. Now an idea for Wincoupe itself: I think it would handy if there was some indication, perhaps on the title bar, of when the disk drives are being accessed, so during some long pauses I can tell that it's not crashed. Hey, maybe you could even mimic the screen dimming as the drives are spun up! ;-) David Laundon. BTW, I think WinCoupe is excellent and I LOVE IT!!!! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Nov 26 20:17:45 1999 From: "Dave Laundon" To: "Sam-Users" Subject: Testing Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 20:17:35 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 126 Lines: 4 Sorry, I've just re-subscribed to Sam-Users with my new email address; just checking it's getting through ok. David Laundon. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Nov 26 22:21:31 1999 Message-ID: <001401bf385c$592f9320$3814ac3e@default> From: "Robert Wilkinson" To: Subject: Re: Wincoupe bug Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 22:19:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 528 Lines: 28 Ho Ho Ho Very clever. Bob W -----Original Message----- From: James R Curry To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: 26 November 1999 19:45 Subject: Re: Wincoupe bug > > Wincoupe has a wierd effect on my Win 95 desktop. > It keeps re-arranging my icons. > > > Bob Wilkinson. Actually, it's slowly replacing Windows 95 with a PC port of Driver. -- James R Curry - James@curry.com "The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!" The OFFICIAL James R Curry Webpage is at http://www.lhutz.demon.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Nov 27 00:08:36 1999 Message-ID: <007501bf3869$5e302bc0$0400240a@BADSector> From: "Dave Hooper" To: References: Subject: Re: Wincoupe bug Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 23:37:52 -0000 Organization: @ spc MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2324 Lines: 60 > > Wincoupe has a wierd effect on my Win 95 desktop. > > It keeps re-arranging my icons. > > > > Bob Wilkinson. For what it's worth, I didn't 'get' the PC Driver joke. (Although presumably the PC version of Driver screws up the windows desktop, right?) Probably your video drivers. Because I don't have the problem, and I expect you have different video drivers to me :) (What video card / version of Win95 do you have Bob?) > First, I still can't seem to get the MOD Player to work. Was this supposed > to have been fixed? Or is it still being worked on, Dave? Ho ho - this one's actually not my fault. It's been fixed in WinCoupe now. > Another sound bug, playing tunes which have envelopes enabled for saw waves, > etc (eg, a lot of Roger Hartley tunes) the enveloped channels sound out of > tune, especially at low frequencies. I think it is the frequency of the > channel controlling the envelope frequency being heard as a tone, when it > should be silent? I don't know, just a guess. Potentially, this could have been caused by an envelope controller bug which has now been fixed. It could also have been caused by externally-clocked envelopes not correctly being clocked by WinCoupe (which has now been fixed in WinCoupe). Latest SAASound.dll is at (and will always be at) http://www.geocities.com/stripwax Currently it's 2.05, give it a go. Oh, it could also be caused by WinCoupe 'trying' to emulate a Sam at 100% speed but not being able to ... what machine have you got (I think Si Owen recommends a Pentium 200 as recommended minimum spec, but it will run on lower spec machines. But I don't know what the sound emulation will be like on lower spec machines...) (Could you send me the tunes in question - and can I play them using Aley's SAAEmu 0.61 ?) > Now an idea for Wincoupe itself: I think it would handy if there was some > indication, perhaps on the title bar, of when the disk drives are being > accessed, so during some long pauses I can tell that it's not crashed. Hey, > maybe you could even mimic the screen dimming as the drives are spun up! ;-) I was actually thinking of emulating the sound interference you get when the disk drive is going :) (Seriously ! Would it be a cool idea, or just stupid?) > BTW, I think WinCoupe is excellent and I LOVE IT!!!! Yay! Result! D a v e From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Nov 27 00:20:32 1999 From: "Si Owen" To: Subject: RE: Wincoupe bug Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 00:19:30 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2200 Lines: 52 Dave Laundon wrote: > First, I still can't seem to get the MOD Player to work. Was > this supposed to have been fixed? Or is it still being worked on, > Dave? This one's been fixed - it was a bug in SimCoupe itself rather than in Dave's DLL. It still had the original code doing an absolute compare for the sound register address, rather than an a mask and compare, which the MOD player seems to make use of. The bug is still in the alpha version on my site, but I'll sort out a 2nd release early next week when I'm back. > Another sound bug, playing tunes which have envelopes enabled for > saw waves, etc (eg, a lot of Roger Hartley tunes) the enveloped > channels sound out of tune, especially at low frequencies. I'm not sure about this one, but Dave has made some changes to the envelope stuff recently that might include it. Try grabbing the latest version from: http://www.geocities.com/stripwax/ to see if it sorts it out. If it's not that it might be another bug in the previous WinCoupe version, which only called through to SAASound.dll when the data register was written to; register selection writes were just cached for the register to use next time data was written. This was wrong as multiple writes to port 511 do seem to affect the sound output (in a way that I don't really understand but Dave proved to me!). > Now an idea for Wincoupe itself: I think it would handy if there was some > indication, perhaps on the title bar, of when the disk drives are being > accessed, so during some long pauses I can tell that it's not > crashed. Yeah, I did think Lemmings had crashed when the music stopped and I couldn't move the mouse, which felt rather like Windows had crashed on me! I've not added motor off support (after 10 revolutions or something) to the floppy controller, but do have some green lights planned for the edge of the screen - something I've seen on an Amiga emulator I think. > maybe you could even mimic the screen dimming as the drives are > spun up! ;-) hehe! And adding a buzzing to the sound output, especially when the drive is stepped (it does that one my real SAM anyway!). > BTW, I think WinCoupe is excellent and I LOVE IT!!!! :-) Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Nov 27 00:26:02 1999 From: "Si Owen" To: Subject: RE: Wincoupe bug Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 00:24:48 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-reply-to: <007501bf3869$5e302bc0$0400240a@BADSector> Importance: Normal X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 283 Lines: 9 Dave Hooper wrote: > I was actually thinking of emulating the sound interference you > get when the disk drive is going :) > (Seriously ! Would it be a cool idea, or just stupid?) Might be nice as an option! ;-) In what way would you change the sound when it's active/stepped? Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Nov 27 00:31:44 1999 From: "Si Owen" To: Subject: RE: Wincoupe bug Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 00:30:38 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-reply-to: <000101bf3840$088109c0$361bac3e@default> Importance: Normal X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 712 Lines: 16 Robert Wilkinson wrote: > Wincoupe has a wierd effect on my Win 95 desktop. > It keeps re-arranging my icons. It it re-arranging them to a 320x240 rectange in the top left of your desktop? (so anything further down or right is pulled into that rectangle). I've only seen that happen when DirectX wasn't exited after full-screen mode has been used - seems ok on mine tho... hmmm. Does it happen if you start WinCoupe, switch to full-screen, then switch back to windowed mode with F9, and quit? The video change detection in that version is a bit too aggressive, as I noticed it won't even let you alt-tab out of the program! It could be related to that, so hopefully the next version should sort it out. Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Nov 27 00:57:36 1999 From: davgw@clara.co.uk (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 00:55:33 GMT Message-ID: <38402bb3.47870884@relay.clara.net> References: <199911261941.OAA17530@dot.crosswinds.net> In-Reply-To: <199911261941.OAA17530@dot.crosswinds.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 535 Lines: 18 On Fri, 26 Nov 1999 14:41:38 -0400 Sat, 27 Nov 99 00:36:01 GMT, "James R Curry" wrote: >> On Fri, Nov 26, 1999 at 12:32:48AM +0000, Andrew Collier wrote: >> > Indeed. >> >> You seem to have forgotten to put a quotation of the entire previous >> message including sig at the end of your mail. >> >> imc > >Oh my... I've had a headache this last week and that made me laugh >hard enough to cheer me up no end. Thank you, Ian. Got to agree there. I nearly covered the monitor and keyboard in beer. :-)))))) Dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Nov 27 08:02:52 1999 Message-ID: <000001bf38ad$9441c860$841fac3e@default> From: "Robert Wilkinson" To: Subject: Re: Wincoupe bug Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 07:59:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 497 Lines: 26 -----Original Message----- From: Robert Wilkinson To: Sam Usergroup Date: 26 November 1999 19:02 Subject: Wincoupe bug > >Wincoupe has a wierd effect on my Win 95 desktop. >It keeps re-arranging my icons. > > >Bob Wilkinson. > > > On second thoughts, it's probably not a bug, just the result of using full screen mode (320X200). The correct mode comes back to me on exit from Wincoupe (800X600) just the Icons have moved about. Bob Wilkinson. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Nov 27 08:53:04 1999 Message-ID: <000801bf38b4$9f2f2900$39448cd4@default> From: "Robert Wilkinson" To: Subject: Re: Wincoupe bug Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 08:22:43 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1167 Lines: 42 -----Original Message----- From: Dave Hooper To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: 27 November 1999 00:12 Subject: Re: Wincoupe bug >> > Wincoupe has a wierd effect on my Win 95 desktop. >> > It keeps re-arranging my icons. >> > >> > Bob Wilkinson. > >For what it's worth, I didn't 'get' the PC Driver joke. (Although presumably >the PC version of Driver screws up the windows desktop, right?) >Probably your video drivers. Because I don't have the problem, and I expect >you have different video drivers to me :) >(What video card / version of Win95 do you have Bob?) > >> I assumed the driver coment, meant that Driver was trying to install itself in a stealth like fashion. I haven't put driver onto Wincoupe. Machine Pentium 166 Video Card = Cirrus Logic 5430/40 PCI Win 95 Ver 4.00,950a I think the icons moving about are to do with changing to fullscreen in Wincoupe. I run 800X600 in win 95. This is a home built machine using whatever I could lay my hands on, so is not fully optimised. Wincoupe runs pretty well on it in fullscreen , Sound sounds reasonable, better than Simcoupe. Bob Wilkinson. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Nov 27 08:53:04 1999 Message-ID: <000901bf38b4$9fef6bc0$39448cd4@default> From: "Robert Wilkinson" To: Subject: Re: Wincoupe bug Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 08:50:27 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1430 Lines: 49 I tried the moves you suggest (below) No problem. Now I can't make it do it. It was only an intermitent problem. I guess it depends on what I've been doing. Ahhh wait a minute, Iv'e an idea.... I minimised this mail. Went into wincoupe, selected fullscreen, then did CNTRL/ALT/ESC This took me to the task bar. Screen was in 640x480, started in 600x800 Brought Wincoupe back up and exited. Screen is still in 640X480. I expect that once I have sent this mail, and re-start windows, my icons will all move. Bob Wilkinson. -----Original Message----- From: Si Owen To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: 27 November 1999 00:34 Subject: RE: Wincoupe bug >Robert Wilkinson wrote: >> Wincoupe has a wierd effect on my Win 95 desktop. >> It keeps re-arranging my icons. > >It it re-arranging them to a 320x240 rectange in the top left of your >desktop? (so anything further down or right is pulled into that rectangle). >I've only seen that happen when DirectX wasn't exited after full-screen mode >has been used - seems ok on mine tho... hmmm. > >Does it happen if you start WinCoupe, switch to full-screen, then switch >back to windowed mode with F9, and quit? The video change detection in that >version is a bit too aggressive, as I noticed it won't even let you alt-tab >out of the program! It could be related to that, so hopefully the next >version should sort it out. > >Si > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Nov 27 09:06:41 1999 Message-ID: <000101bf38b6$7e13e6a0$851dac3e@default> From: "Robert Wilkinson" To: "Sam Usergroup" Subject: Re Wincoupe bug Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 09:04:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 548 Lines: 21 With ref to my last E-mail. I exited Outlook Express. Opened Display and sure enough my setting was on 640x480. I resized to 800x600. All Icons OK. After all this, me-thinks that it might have been my fault all along. Its possible that when I closed Wincoupe and my Icons were off the screen, I might have right clicked and re-set the icons before restoring the 800x600 screen. Well come on.... We all do silly thing sometimes without thinking :-) I'll keep an eye on it in future... Bob Wilkinson. Going back to Quick basic in Dos. Phew! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Nov 27 20:50:57 1999 From: "Dave Laundon" To: Subject: RE: Wincoupe bug Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 20:50:21 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <007501bf3869$5e302bc0$0400240a@BADSector> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1353 Lines: 37 Dave Hooper wrote: > Potentially, this could have been caused by an envelope > controller bug which > has now been fixed. It could also have been caused by externally-clocked > envelopes not correctly being clocked by WinCoupe (which has now > been fixed > in WinCoupe). > Latest SAASound.dll is at (and will always be at) > http://www.geocities.com/stripwax > > Currently it's 2.05, give it a go. Yep, that seemed to fix the out of tune problem, thank's. The menu music from Fred 60 still sounds a bit odd, but I can't find anything else. I can't be sure, since my Sam has been mute for about a year (anyone know where I can get a Philips sound chip from?) > Oh, it could also be caused by WinCoupe 'trying' to emulate a Sam at 100% > speed but not being able to ... what machine have you got (I think Si Owen > recommends a Pentium 200 as recommended minimum spec, but it will run on > lower spec machines. But I don't know what the sound emulation > will be like > on lower spec machines...) I have a AMD K6-2 400 running Win 98 SE, so I don't think it's that! > I was actually thinking of emulating the sound interference you > get when the > disk drive is going :) > (Seriously ! Would it be a cool idea, or just stupid?) Mmmm, should I answer that truthfully? :-) Anyway, the sound probably differs from machine to machine? Dave Laundon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Nov 28 12:24:35 1999 From: "Dave Laundon" To: Subject: RE: Wincoupe bug Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 12:24:22 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1478 Lines: 31 > Dave Hooper wrote: > > > Potentially, this could have been caused by an envelope > > controller bug which > > has now been fixed. It could also have been caused by externally-clocked > > envelopes not correctly being clocked by WinCoupe (which has now > > been fixed > > in WinCoupe). > > Latest SAASound.dll is at (and will always be at) > > http://www.geocities.com/stripwax > > > > Currently it's 2.05, give it a go. > > Yep, that seemed to fix the out of tune problem, thank's. The menu music > from Fred 60 still sounds a bit odd, but I can't find anything else. I > can't be sure, since my Sam has been mute for about a year (anyone know > where I can get a Philips sound chip from?) I've been going through a few Fred disks and most of the time the music sounds perfect, but I come across a tune now and again that seems to have a clicking or juddering sound (perhaps at 50Hz?). The Fred 60 menu music is one, but also the second part of Mnemodemo 2 - when the 'M' is spinning, the music sounds fine but when it stops, the juddering is heard. This gave me an idea. Could it be that when the 'M' is paused there's less work going on => the eTracker code is being called at a different position in the frame. At this state maybe the routine in WinCoupe that passes the sound info to SAASound.dll is being performed part way through the eTracker code; maybe even between an OUT to a sound chip address port and its corresponding OUT to the data port. Dave Laundon. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Nov 28 14:31:00 1999 Message-ID: <000a01bf39ac$e8103e40$ad92bc3e@pavilion> From: "Stewart Skardon" To: "SAM Users list" Subject: A few things. Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 14:28:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 393 Lines: 16 Hello again, First of all, I would like to say that I have finally seen and heard Win Coupe, and boy am I impressed. Well done Simon and co. Secondly, why didn't somebody tell me that the buttons on my site look so bloody awful on IE5? Alterations will be made soon. In the mean time, I'm off to test all my disks on Win Coupe, and to uodate my compatability table. Bye for now, Stewart From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Nov 28 19:38:48 1999 Message-ID: <001d01bf39d7$fde728c0$0400240a@BADSector> From: "Dave Hooper" To: References: Subject: Re: Wincoupe bug Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 19:25:33 -0000 Organization: @ spc MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2020 Lines: 45 > I've been going through a few Fred disks and most of the time the music > sounds perfect, but I come across a tune now and again that seems to have a > clicking or juddering sound (perhaps at 50Hz?). The Fred 60 menu music is > one, but also the second part of Mnemodemo 2 - when the 'M' is spinning, the > music sounds fine but when it stops, the juddering is heard. Si Owen's found and fixed some subtle timing bugs in WinCoupe and will be releasing an updated 'alpha' version of WinCoupe very shortly (tomorrow night maybe, but that's up to him entirely) I've played with his updated version, and come up with the following observations: o The stuttering sound that I described recently that I had encountered whenever SamMines tries to play audio samples appears to have gone. This was at 50Hz. So maybe your problem will have gone too? o The BEEP command timings were out slightly - timing loops that rely on 'inert' instructions like LD B,B will have been slightly out - so this means demo code and audio code especially. Maybe this will have fixed your problem? All I can say is, try it, see if it's fixed. Don't forget: everyone using SAASound.dll (WinCoupe users or SAAEmu users) should upgrade to the current latest version, 2.05 http://www.geocities.com/stripwax > This gave me > an idea. Could it be that when the 'M' is paused there's less work going on > => the eTracker code is being called at a different position in the frame. > At this state maybe the routine in WinCoupe that passes the sound info to > SAASound.dll is being performed part way through the eTracker code; maybe > even between an OUT to a sound chip address port and its corresponding OUT > to the data port. To be honest, this is totally lost on me. Subtle timing effects are very emulator-dependent. If anyone has MnemoDemo 2 or Fred 60 for me to have a play with, could they send me a **ZIPPED** .dsk image? Thanks. (anything else as well would be appreciated, particularly things with suspected audio bugs) Ta. D a v e From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Nov 28 20:05:59 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop3.house Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001d01bf39d7$fde728c0$0400240a@BADSector> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 20:04:25 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Wincoupe bug X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1395 Lines: 33 At 7:40 pm +0000 28/11/99, Dave Hooper wrote: >> Could it be that when the 'M' is paused there's less work going on >> => the eTracker code is being called at a different position in the frame. Yes, that is going to be true. >> At this state maybe the routine in WinCoupe that passes the sound info to >> SAASound.dll is being performed part way through the eTracker code; maybe >> even between an OUT to a sound chip address port and its corresponding OUT >> to the data port. The way I understood it (which is quite possibly wrong) was that the sound support for SimCoupe worked as a continuous stream, rather than quantized 20ms chunks. I don't think exactly that would be the problem, BICBW. >To be honest, this is totally lost on me. Subtle timing effects are very >emulator-dependent. >If anyone has MnemoDemo 2 or Fred 60 for me to have a play with, could they >send me a **ZIPPED** .dsk image? Thanks. (anything else as well would be >appreciated, particularly things with suspected audio bugs) MNEMOdemo2 is at http://mnemotech.ucam.org/downloads/MNEDEMO2.DSK.gz (okay, that's 124k gzipped not zipped, but you can cope with that can't you?) Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Nov 28 21:44:08 1999 X-Sender: asc25@pop3.house Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 21:41:05 +0000 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Atom Utilities X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 403 Lines: 13 Announcement - Martijn Groen's Atom Utilities have been added to the downloads section of my webpages. For more details, see http://mnemotech.ucam.org/download.html Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Nov 28 22:32:42 1999 Message-Id: <199911282131.QAA42407@glitch.crosswinds.net> From: "James R Curry" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 17:31:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Wincoupe bug In-reply-to: <000801bf38b4$9f2f2900$39448cd4@default> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01d) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 577 Lines: 16 > I assumed the driver coment, meant that Driver was trying to install itself > in a stealth like fashion. > I haven't put driver onto Wincoupe. Yeah, it was along those lines. I've felt crappy all week and been in bed with what I presume must be the flu for the last 36 hours, and health care costs MONEY over here... What this has to do with lame jokes about Driver and Wincoupe, I'm not sure, but I need SOME excuse, right? -- James R Curry - James@curry.com "The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!" The OFFICIAL James R Curry Webpage is at http://www.lhutz.demon.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 29 10:51:37 1999 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BFCDBC78@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "Sam-Users (E-mail)" Subject: Outwrite Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:53:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 886 Lines: 21 Greetings, I played Outwrite 2 for the first time over the weekend. Not a bad little program! :) It might actually be of some use to me (rather than using ZDE on Pro-DOS for all my text writing). But, I need help setting up my printer for it. It's a HP DJ 4-something. I've got all the printer codes for it but I can't seem to find a way of sticking them in the program anywhere (assuming the manual on the disk doesn't really correspond to the program much). Oh, and the other problem is that all the text is printed right on the left-hand edge of the paper rather than leaving a few characters for the margin. I'm guessing that it has something to do with printer initialisation. After all, this printer isn't exactly an Epson dot- matrix... Where abouts in the program can I change this? Is there still a 41000 character limit on version 2 of outwrite? Hoping for help, Justin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 29 11:54:18 1999 Message-ID: <000e01bf3a60$0ee62b20$e71eac3e@default> From: "Robert Wilkinson" To: Subject: Re: Outwrite Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:50:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2084 Lines: 58 The Manual on the disk is for version 1 of Outwrite. I don't have the manual for version 2 on floppy. I do have a manual for version 2. If you want one contact me off list. Entering printer codes for Ver 2 is different than Ver 1.. Read on. The printer codes are easy to put in. If you look on the disk you should see 2 printer drivers. These load up as text files. Use either one,Edit it and put your codes in using the program itself. Make sure that insert mode is turned off. Also make sure that there is at least one complete blank line below the end of the printer file. Cursor down and press return. This will put in an end of file marker (invisible) Place the cursor at the begining of the driver, find the Install option from the drop down menu (not sure which one) and select it. If you did all of this ok, then the codes are now installed into the main M/C. You need to save the code from the options menu.... Outwrite Ver 2.0 file length is 45000 bytes. Hope this helps. Bob Wilkinson. -----Original Message----- From: Justin Skists To: Sam-Users (E-mail) Date: 29 November 1999 10:56 Subject: Outwrite >Greetings, > >I played Outwrite 2 for the first time over the weekend. Not a bad little >program! :) It might actually be of some use to me (rather than using >ZDE on Pro-DOS for all my text writing). > >But, I need help setting up my printer for it. It's a HP DJ 4-something. >I've got all the printer codes for it but I can't seem to find a way of >sticking them in the program anywhere (assuming the manual on the disk >doesn't really correspond to the program much). > >Oh, and the other problem is that all the text is printed right on the >left-hand edge of the paper rather than leaving a few characters for >the margin. I'm guessing that it has something to do with printer >initialisation. After all, this printer isn't exactly an Epson dot- >matrix... Where abouts in the program can I change this? > >Is there still a 41000 character limit on version 2 of outwrite? > >Hoping for help, >Justin. > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 29 17:05:52 1999 Message-Id: <014501bf3a8b$a243f110$7652c29e@U40403> From: "Aley Keprt" To: References: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BFCDBC59@mailhost.aculab.com> Subject: Re: .sad disks? Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 18:03:18 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 561 Lines: 16 SAD The more recent utility for Win32 and DOS is called "2sad" and can be found inside SimCoupe 0.79 package. This utility converts dsk <--> sad images and does internal GZ compression, so it is very time-saving utility. (I think.) 2sad is available at NVG (inside SimCoupe 0.79) or at my web site. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Bc. Aley [eili] Keprt - student, programmer (multimedia soft. etc.) e-mail: AleyKeprt@bigfoot.com *** http://get.to/aley ---------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 29 17:14:34 1999 Message-Id: <01a301bf3a8c$84086b80$7652c29e@U40403> From: "Aley Keprt" To: "Sam Users" , "Dave Hooper" References: <000d01bf3794$1aae9600$0400240a@BADSector> Subject: Re: SAAEmu 0.61 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 18:09:37 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1722 Lines: 42 > I'm a bit disappointed in Aley's SAAEmu 0.61. > > > 1. Credit on the main screen (as requested!). Preferably immediately below > the line that says "Z80 emulator by FMS & Aley Keprt, libraries by (c) FMS > 1996". If possible, credit should say "SAA-1099 emulator (c)1999 Dave Hooper > latest @ http://www.geocities.com/stripwax". This is eighty characters. > 2. Documentation (saaemu.rtf) should include my email address too. I'm > afraid my version of MSWord does not correctly render the crazy {HYPERLINK: > mailto:no-brain@mindless.com} field codes - it displays "Error! Bookmark not > defined". At the very least change mine to read "Dave Hooper, the author of > SAAsound: no-brain@mindless.com". Maybe change the others so they are > human-readable too? > 3. Ideally, your site (http://www.inf.upol.cz/~keprta/sam/saa//welcome.html) > should also mention a link to get the latest version of SAASound.dll. Even > an email address would do. > 4. Are there bugs in saaemu 0.61? Every now-and-then it spews crazy rubbish > all over the screen, including messages like "CPU HALTed and stuck at > PC=0099h" . Seems to happen especially when doing "SAA32 tunes\enola" and > playing and quitting and playing and quitting, a couple of times, and then > doing "SAA32 tunes\tetris" > > > I will shortly be releasing the source for saasound.dll (as soon as I'm > happy with it and it's in a readable state!) > D a v e 1. Credits? No problem. I will do the changes to let you sleep better. 2. Get a later Word version. 3. I don't know your web address. 4. Message CPU halt... is by Z80 CPU emulator. I can't say more, since I have never got this one. When you ask: Is there a bug? I must say: Yes, it looks like a bug. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 29 17:22:26 1999 Message-Id: <01c301bf3a8d$57b39590$7652c29e@U40403> From: "Aley Keprt" To: References: <61BC4CA61D7CD311B19400A0C9DBF64E020DFE@NTSERVER> Subject: Re: SAAEmu 0.61 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 18:15:32 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1029 Lines: 25 > >From: Dave Hooper [mailto:dave@aziraphale.demon.co.uk] > > > >I'm a bit disappointed in Aley's SAAEmu 0.61. > > > >1. Credit on the main screen (as requested!). Preferably > >immediately below the line that says "Z80 emulator by FMS > >& Aley Keprt, libraries by (c) FMS 1996". If possible, credit > >should say "SAA-1099 emulator (c)1999 Dave Hooper > > Agreed 100%. Credit should be given where it's due I say... Yes, but the question is why to credit something where it is not used. I mean Dave Hooper's DLL is only one of the existing four audio drivers. I don't credit all drivers on the main screen, but only the driver currently active. If Dave Hooper told me his threads more recently, I did something more for him. I preffer including SAAsound.h, than fighting about the credits messages now, when the appication has been released. I think the best solution is: Please, Dave, send me simple txt file of (almost) any size, and I will include it in the package. This should be clearer than fighting on Sam-users. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 29 17:34:50 1999 Message-Id: <022101bf3a8f$d539c2d0$7652c29e@U40403> From: "Aley Keprt" To: References: Subject: Re: Wincoupe Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 18:33:21 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 3680 Lines: 90 > "To be honest I don't think it'll be worth using anything other than > ave[ Hooper]'s DLL. The synth version isn't as accurate, and lacks the high > resolution changes needed for sound samples, and the Spectrum beeper support > used by the SAM BASIC sound effects." > > My reasoning being: > > Benefits of the synth version: > - Faster than the SAASound.dll > > Drawbacks of the synth version: > - No support for Windows NT or Windows 2000 > - No support for the rapid audio changes required to play sound samples > - No support for the Spectrum beeper used for the BASIC error rasp, the > beep/zap/pow/zoom commands, and Spectrum software > - No support for envelope effects > - Noise generators aren't emulated correctly on OPL2/3 sound drivers, due > to OPL2/3 inability to play white noise. > - Envelope-ctrl is used only to override the channel-mask bit, so some > tunes still play even if you mask out all the channels. > - Doesn't work with all sound cards (includes some Aztech cards) > > It's a perfect case of not getting anything for nothing - yours is fast but > lacks features is inaccurate, Dave's is slower but fully featured and very > accurate. My should know that my technology is generally better. It uses the system of audio drivers, so it allows to do several advantages. Look: 1. WinNT/2000 support can be added, I can use AdLib drivers of MAME (multi arcade machine emulator - sorry if the name is a bit wrong). 2. It can be much better if I add envelopes. 3. It can be enhanced by some good parts of SAAsound to get the better sound. 4. Spectrum beeper can be played individually. 5. It works with Aztech soundcards. I don't know why you tell that it doesn't. You probably misunderstood the documentation. Generally, current SAAemu can hardly match SAAsound's quality, but it can be enhanced. And that's it. You can say: "Enahance it and then I will include it in SimCoupe." But is this right way? > Actually, the only thing in WinCoupe that gets hardware assistance is the > image blitting, and that's only when the card supports it; the audio side > isn't accelerated in any way. The main advantage the Windows version gets > is the hardware /abstraction/ through DirectX. This is clear. I would to know how does it work: Do you create a whole 320x240 or 640x240 image everytime and then use blt to put this stuff to videoram? Or do you put there line by line using separate blt's? Do you emulate on-line video changes? (I mean when the ray is on line 100 and I change something on line 50, it shouldn't be visible.) > If your machine is up to running the Windows version, then I'm sure you'd > want perfect sound emulation with it! It reduced the maximum frame rate on > my work machine down from 113 to 108 (about 4%) when enabling 22kHz 16-bit > stereo sound, which is is peanuts. If a machine isn't up to running > WinCoupe, even with the frame skipping (I can't imagine a P100 is!), then > you're probably better off sticking with the DOS version, which already > includes the faster synth sound emulation. You're right. I obviously agree. 1. Digital sound takes a few percent of CPU time on P2. 2. Windows version is much faster generally since it uses video acceleration. Video acceleration gives more than anything other can take. Right? I will never use DOS version, when I will have a computer where Win32 version runs too. The only reason why to use DOS version is when you are like my friend Lukas, who don't ever had Windows, and uses Linux on his 386-notebook. (This man don't have any mail program for Linux, so he uses DOS emulator and Pegasus Mail for DOS. I really wonder that this combo woks.) > > Si > Aley From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 29 17:54:07 1999 Message-Id: <022901bf3a92$5a4cebd0$7652c29e@U40403> From: "Aley Keprt" To: References: <009f01bf3050$6c5ca0f0$7752c29e@U40404> <001501bf3092$7b6c0b20$0400240a@BADSector> Subject: Re: Wincoupe Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 18:51:24 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 5069 Lines: 137 > > I use Pentium 3/450 and Windows 2000 rc 2. > > Here is the table. It shows some interesting numbers, there are probably > > some > > weird bugs (in SimCoupe). > > Yes, there are definitely some weird bugs in SimCoupe. But I thought we were > talking about WinCoupe? (As far as I remember, you were the last person to > change SimCoupe source :) Of course, I do talk about WinCoupe. I just can understand why the program have been renamed. Is Windows something special, so it must have special program names??? I don't understand why so many Win32 programs are called a) Winsomething b) Windows something c) something32 Any idea? When I see "something for Windows" or "something for Linux", that's ok. So I preffer "SimCoupe for Win32". This is only my opinion. > > The "table" shows how the framerate changes when i set "frameskip" and > > "accurate mode 3". > > mode 3 on --- 175fps with "skip auto" --- 142fps with "skip none" > > mode 3 off --- 50fps with "skip auto" --- 25fps with "skip none" > > Which window mode? (1x1? 2x2? 3x3?) What color depth? etc Any mode. I use ATI Rage 128 which has hw acceleration in all modes. > > 1. I though "skip none" should be the fastest. I can see "skip auto" is > > faster. A bug? > > A bug in your logic, perhaps. When frameskip is set to 'none' it doesn't > skip frames. (Hence 'Frameskip None'). In other words it tries to redraw the > screen every frame. When frameskip is set to 'auto' it will automatically > skip frames. (Hence 'Frameskip Auto'). In other words, it will NOT try to > redraw the screen every frame. In other words, for some frames, it will > ignore redrawing the screen for that frame. This means it does less work > therefore quicker emulation therefore more frames per second. > > However, that really only applies if Sync To 50Hz is disabled. If Sync To > 50Hz is enabled, FrameSkip Auto should never drop below 50Hz! I don't understand why frameskip auto skips frames when the speed is higher than 50Hz. Where is the reason of skipping frames when the speed is over 50? MAME don't do this. (I still talk about MAME since I like it, and I think it is very well-written software.) > And are you using 1x1 mode or 2x2 mode or 3x3 mode? And what is your current > desktop resolution and color depth? And what is the make / model of your > video card? And what version drivers are you using? And you do realise that > the operating system you are running is a Beta version (what with it being > unreleased n'all). Try again with Win95 or Win98 and very recent drivers. Video mode is irrelevant. I just want to compare the other options to each other. I'm not interested in excact fps values. I just wonder why some options gives less fps than others. Also, I use Win2000. That's reality. Somebody must do the "beta" testing. ;-) We have 22 computers on Win2000 and I must say it is not a beta version. If any application don't run on Win2000 rc2, it probably won't work on the final as well. > > 2. Mode 3 off should generate 320x240 picture --> i.e. faster. But it is > > slower. A bug? > > Disabling 'accurate mode 3' will only generate a 320x240 picture if you're > running WinCoupe full screen (But if you're running WinCoupe full screen how > are you measuring the fps??) And why doesn't it generate 320x240 windowed? This is weird. > > Also, these all I've get with "frameskip auto". When "Frameskip none" > > and "mode 3 on" I get 130fps (less than "frameskip auto" > > No you don't. You just already said that with Frameskip none and mode 3 on > you get 142 fps. > Which is it? 142fps or 130fps? (It's an farily large difference, the fps > shouldn't fluctuate that much I don't think) I write what I see. What else can I do? There are too many numbers. I lost inside this all. I can't help..... :( > I haven't seen Si's source code for WinCoupe. However, your comment sounds a > little insulting. I think the point is though that putting dirty update code > back into WinCoupe is essentially more trouble than its worth at this stage. > Especially since memory writes now seem to be quicker without it! Look, I am not an Englishman, so I can hardly know what "looks a little bit insulting". Please understand my words in this scope. > > Mame uses dirty rectangles (the thing you call "dirty lines") and it > > benefits from > > it. You're right, that it can slow the whole emulator. But how much? A > > little bit. > > Question: How can an emulator 'benefit' from using a dirty rectangle update > scheme if it slows the whole emulator down? (Or have I missed the point > again?) I can slow the emulation somethimes. Do you understand? Emulation benefits from dirty rectangles, but in some cases (in the specific games) it is slower. This is obvious. I dodn't say that when using dirty rectangles the emulation is always slower. > saasound.dll development is temporarily on hold whilst I try to get my head > round a new high-quality mode. > Latest version is still 2.01 And what about that new SendCommand method (sorry if it names a bit different). > > D a v e > Aley From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 29 18:10:51 1999 Message-Id: <025101bf3a94$e3feca40$7652c29e@U40403> From: "Aley Keprt" To: References: Subject: Re: Wincoupe Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 19:09:34 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 6979 Lines: 171 > > > mode 3 on --- 175fps with "skip auto" --- 142fps with "skip none" > > > mode 3 off --- 50fps with "skip auto" --- 25fps with "skip none" > > Firstly, I hope it's obvious that it shouldn't run that slowly, so there's a > problem! Does disabling the 'Hardware support' option still give similar > results? I've got these values with sync 50hz off. HW on, since HW off is too slow anytime. I'm not interested in HW off. (I like to not see that option on the final version.) > Are you sure you've got the 'mode 3' state correct there? There is a > problem with having the mode 3 option enabled when using the 1x1 window that > caused can cause big slow-down (already fixed). If your display driver > supports hardware stretching WinCoupe tries to create the DirectDraw back > surface in video memory so it can use it. However if it doesn't support > hardware shrinking then DirectX uses software emulation to provide the > shrinking. Reading from video memory is extremely slow, and the emulated > blit requires many reads from the source image to do the shrinking. I've > can only reproduce this with the TNT NT drivers, as the Win9x drivers DO > support shrinking. Possibly. I don't have much time to spend with any alpha's. Please send a beta, and we will see. > > > 1. I though "skip none" should be the fastest. I can see "skip auto" is > > > faster. A bug? > > 'skip none' means it generates and displays ALL frames, even if it means the > emulation will be running under real SAM speed, as it will on slower PCs. > > With the frame sync enabled, 'skip auto' skips as many frames as is > necessary to keep the emulation running at 50fps. At the end of each frame > it checks to see if the next frame is overdue (because the current one took > too long), and if so it skips the following frame (i.e. doesn't generate the > frame data or blit the image). With a fast enough PC no frames will be > skipped (well, the odd one might be if other Windows apps steal away too > much CPU time). It will still drop below 50fps if the image blitting is > taking an unusually long time, or if the system is too slow to even be able > to run the CPU emulation with the 1fps video generation (the minimum > allowed). > > With the frame sync disabled 'skip auto' will give the same effects, but > only if the PC isn't up to running at 50fps with the 'skip none' option. > With faster machines it doesn't work in the same way, but just happens to > skip some frames, so it'll still be faster than 'skip none'. I still mean that skip auto should do nothing when the total speed is above 50 Hz. > The current Alt functionality is actually exactly how I intended it to be! > Left-Alt is used for the SAM 'Cntrl' key, as it's in about the same position > on the keyboard. The menus can't be accessed directly using combinations > like Alt-F because the combination needed for cntrl-f on the SAM (as used by > TurboMON and more). I purposely left the menu text without any accelerators > to show they can't be used. I put in some special cases for Alt-Tab, > Alt-Esc and Alt-Space (tho this last one seems broken!) so they can be used > for their normal Windows operations. Well, there should be an option for these Alt+F etc. I don't use turbomon and I want Alt+F for emulator menu. Is it a problem to add some options to enable these shortcuts to the menu? > To access the menu you just have to press and then release the Alt key (or > F10, as Windows automatically uses that too), at which point it will be > highlighted (full screen mode too). You can then use the mouse as normal > (even when the SAM mouse is enabled), or press the initial letter of menu > you want to open (space for the system menu), or just navigate using the > cursor keys and press Return on your selection! You probably didn't see SimCoupe later than 0.78. Did you? I changed the F-functionality a bit. e.g. I moved reset to F12, since this is a really strong function and it should be "protected". So I moved to the end of the keyboard :) Also I moved NMI as well. (the same reason) btw. Your fast reset is the thing I everytime wanted. Thank you very much. > To keep everyone happy I've now made the use of Left-Alt as SAM Cntrl > optional. The PC right-Control key is also the SAM Cntrl key, so that can > be used to generate the combinations when Left-Alt is used exclusively for > Windows. Or reversed. (right for menu, left for sam) ? > If you think you can do better then you'd better get to work on enhancing > 0.79 (you obviously wouldn't want any of my crap code). You might then > appreciate how much time and effort I've put into it so far. What? I won't go into this. oooooo I have never played with video emulation, since I think this takes too much programmers time, and gives too little benefits (especially when we have your nice code) :))) > > I can imagine your sources. :-))) > > Well, have fun imagining... ;-P Thanks. I'm good in it. > > > Mame uses dirty rectangles (the thing you call "dirty lines") and it > > > benefits from it. You're right, that it can slow the whole emulator. > > > But how much? A little bit. > > Even the old simple method potentially is quite costly. EVERY memory write > needs to be examined to see if it falls within the display area of the > current screen mode, and if that's true then the something needs to be done > to ensure it's updated next time. The simple case just sets a flag in a > line array, but if you really do mean rectangles then it'll be a LOT more > costly! General solutions are fine for the general cases, but I felt that > more could be gained by examining the specific SAM case. This is right. The question is what you do when a program uses double buffering (i.e. switching VMPR at 50hz interrupt). Do you handle this anyway? > Just one change to border, palette or vmpr within a frame requires that the > full frame be redrawn to reflect the change. Since virtually all SAM games > and demos (even the SAM startup screen!) make changes to at least one of > those every frame, the screen will require complete updating every time. For > those there's absolutely no benefit in tracking what needs updating; in fact > the write address testing only slow things down further. > > The video optimisations in the DOS are present to improve the performance so > the user had a chance of running at normal SAM speed. The frame-skipping in > WinCoupe also gives the user the same benefit, but in a cleaner and simpler > way. Additional optimisations may be added in the future, but I think it's > fine for now. > > So Aley, how would YOU do it? Although you all usually see my mails as "flamewars" etc., I just give some questions and things to think about. I agree with your words, and - of course - I have a really fast computer, so I can hardly benefit from any "better" version of video emulation. (the same for audio) The thing which shlould be really optimised is floppy drive i/o. > Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 29 18:15:39 1999 Message-Id: <027901bf3a95$92da4760$7652c29e@U40403> From: "Aley Keprt" To: References: <007501bf3869$5e302bc0$0400240a@BADSector> Subject: Re: Wincoupe bug Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 19:14:27 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 340 Lines: 15 > > > Wincoupe has a wierd effect on my Win 95 desktop. > > > It keeps re-arranging my icons. > > > > > > Bob Wilkinson. > > For what it's worth, I didn't 'get' the PC Driver joke. (Although presumably > the PC version of Driver screws up the windows desktop, right?) false Driver is fine. (Maybe because I don't run Driver on Win95?) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 29 18:23:38 1999 Message-Id: <028101bf3a95$ca8cb3a0$7652c29e@U40403> From: "Aley Keprt" To: References: Subject: Re: Wincoupe bug Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 19:16:00 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 424 Lines: 17 > Dave Hooper wrote: > > I was actually thinking of emulating the sound interference you > > get when the disk drive is going :) > > (Seriously ! Would it be a cool idea, or just stupid?) > > Might be nice as an option! ;-) In what way would you change the sound when > it's active/stepped? > > Si I have seen a music demo on Amiga what played a tune using disk drive. Really. Does anyone have a demo like this on Sam? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 29 18:23:40 1999 Message-Id: <028701bf3a95$f1a73af0$7652c29e@U40403> From: "Aley Keprt" To: References: Subject: Re: Wincoupe bug Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 19:17:06 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 443 Lines: 15 > Robert Wilkinson wrote: > > Wincoupe has a wierd effect on my Win 95 desktop. > > It keeps re-arranging my icons. > > It it re-arranging them to a 320x240 rectange in the top left of your > desktop? (so anything further down or right is pulled into that rectangle). > I've only seen that happen when DirectX wasn't exited after full-screen mode > has been used - seems ok on mine tho... hmmm. This is right. I have the same experience. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 29 18:23:45 1999 Message-Id: <028f01bf3a96$1ac00340$7652c29e@U40403> From: "Aley Keprt" To: References: <000001bf38ad$9441c860$841fac3e@default> Subject: Re: Wincoupe bug Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 19:18:15 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 463 Lines: 20 > >Wincoupe has a wierd effect on my Win 95 desktop. > >It keeps re-arranging my icons. > > > > > >Bob Wilkinson. > > > > > > > On second thoughts, it's probably not a bug, just the result of using > full screen mode (320X200). > > The correct mode comes back to me on exit from Wincoupe (800X600) just the > Icons > have moved about. > > Bob Wilkinson. If this is true, it IS a bug, since I used many games in 320x240 and no one caused to rearrange the icons. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 29 18:28:00 1999 Message-Id: <02c601bf3a96$eacb9860$7652c29e@U40403> From: "Aley Keprt" To: References: <61BC4CA61D7CD311B19400A0C9DBF64E01631D@NTSERVER> <009901bf2c88$b152ef00$8e0a14ac@internal.sierra.com> <003401bf315c$f7a06720$0400240a@BADSector> <00e601bf315c$e1214730$8e0a14ac@internal.sierra.com> <000b01bf315e$fdc69500$0400240a@BADSector> Subject: Re: New WinCoupe alpha test version (Was: Re: Defender) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 19:24:04 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 544 Lines: 15 > Not necessarily - my SAA emulation doesn't necessarily take into account all > the many ways in which the chip does unexpected things (e.g. the volume > control registers should provide 16 levels of amplitude control ... UNLESS > ENVELOPES ARE ENABLED IN WHICH CASE ONLY 8 UNIQUE LEVELS ARE PROVIDED ! My > dll will still provide 16 levels ==> 4 bit (rather than 3-bit) sound > resolution for samples) > > And other examples like that. > > D a v e I though there is a bit in registers 24 and 25 which select either 8bit or 16bit envelopes. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 29 18:28:00 1999 Message-Id: <02d201bf3a97$2993d490$7652c29e@U40403> From: "Aley Keprt" To: References: <006101bf3228$d13734c0$0400240a@BADSector> Subject: Re: New WinCoupe alpha test version (Was: Re: Defender) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 19:25:49 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1213 Lines: 33 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Hooper" To: Sent: 19. listopadu 1999 1:53 Subject: Re: New WinCoupe alpha test version (Was: Re: Defender) > > > (e.g. the volume > > > control registers should provide 16 levels of amplitude control ... > UNLESS > > > ENVELOPES ARE ENABLED IN WHICH CASE ONLY 8 UNIQUE LEVELS ARE PROVIDED ! > > > > Really?? The docs do imply that you can play envelopes in either a 3-bit > > or 4-bit mode - are they lying? > > Um, er. The *envelopes* can be 3 or 4-bit resolution, like the docs imply. > However, the VOLUME registers (ie, sound registers 0 thru 5) only provide > 3-bit resolution when envelopes are enabled (normally they would provide > 4-bits resolution ... it's as if the SAA has gone thru registers 0 to 5 and > ANDed with 0xee before using them, whenever envelopes are enabled). Weird > biscuits. > > D a v e You must be a 007 agent to explore this. :-) ---------------------------------------------------------------- Bc. Aley [eili] Keprt - student, programmer (multimedia soft. etc.) e-mail: AleyKeprt@bigfoot.com *** http://get.to/aley ---------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 29 18:32:20 1999 Message-Id: <02da01bf3a97$c5387ef0$7652c29e@U40403> From: "Aley Keprt" To: References: <006101bf3228$d13734c0$0400240a@BADSector> <000c01bf3233$ddf40160$8e0a14ac@internal.sierra.com> <002701bf3236$e7e17b00$0400240a@BADSector> Subject: Re: New WinCoupe alpha test version (Was: Re: Defender) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 19:30:11 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2153 Lines: 55 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Hooper" To: Sent: 19. listopadu 1999 3:36 Subject: Re: New WinCoupe alpha test version (Was: Re: Defender) > > > However, the VOLUME registers (ie, sound registers 0 thru 5) only > provide > > > 3-bit resolution when envelopes are enabled (normally they would provide > > > 4-bits resolution ... it's as if the SAA has gone thru registers 0 to 5 > > and > > > ANDed with 0xee before using them, whenever envelopes are enabled). > Weird > > > biscuits. > > > > Er... don't you mean shifted them down 1? > > No, because that would imply that enabling envelopes immediately halves the > volume, which is not the case. The resolution just goes down. And I take it > you meant shifting-down-on-a-per-nibble-basis since each volume register > encodes two amplitudes (stereo ... ) :) > > > BTW: It's because (I think) of the way the envelopes are used; they're > > probably PWM based (as the rest of the chip is), and they're in the > pipeline > > after the volume generator. So, my guess is that what you've got is this: > [...explanation...] > > Or something. Thinking about it, this is probably all totally wrong. :) > > > Ummm ... Errr ... well it's probably something like that. > Or it could just be some crazy kind of feature (after all, the fact that > it's even POSSIBLE to generate 'samples' from the SAA is a kinda > undocumented feature .. I'm sure the designers didn't set out to try and > allow it. If they had they would've made it a damn site less weird ... > Enabling envelopes and mute all channels ??) > D a v e > I think playing samples is normal. Any sound chip like SAA1099 can play samples the same way. This is easy for hw designers, since it doesn't need any changes or addtions to the chip. You probably know how does it work in the real world hw, so I don't go into details. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Bc. Aley [eili] Keprt - student, programmer (multimedia soft. etc.) e-mail: AleyKeprt@bigfoot.com *** http://get.to/aley ---------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 29 20:23:10 1999 Message-Id: <199911291921.OAA15932@glitch.crosswinds.net> From: "James R Curry" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 15:21:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: SAAEmu 0.61 In-reply-to: <01a301bf3a8c$84086b80$7652c29e@U40403> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01d) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 487 Lines: 15 > 2. Get a later Word version. Hmm, in which case why is it a .RTF file? After all, Rich Text Format is meant to be a platform and program independant format, so if your response is to limit the reading of the file to later versions of Microsoft Word, would it not therefore make more sense to simply save it in native Word .DOC format? -- James R Curry - James@curry.com "The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!" The OFFICIAL James R Curry Webpage is at http://www.lhutz.demon.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 29 20:29:48 1999 Message-ID: <004301bf3aa8$09a6b420$dd6ff4d1@simcooke3> From: "Simon Cooke" To: References: <009f01bf3050$6c5ca0f0$7752c29e@U40404> <001501bf3092$7b6c0b20$0400240a@BADSector> <022901bf3a92$5a4cebd0$7652c29e@U40403> Subject: Re: Wincoupe Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:26:36 -0800 Organization: Entropy Technology MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 880 Lines: 24 From: Aley Keprt > Video mode is irrelevant. I just want to compare the other options to each > other. > I'm not interested in excact fps values. I just wonder why some options > gives less > fps than others. > Also, I use Win2000. That's reality. Somebody must do the "beta" testing. > ;-) > We have 22 computers on Win2000 and I must say it is not a beta version. > If any application don't run on Win2000 rc2, it probably won't work on the > final > as well. Actually, you'd be surprised how much things can change between an RC2, an RC3 and a Gold release of the same operating system. Friends of mine are in the Win2K testlabs - and boy could they tell you stories :) Win2K will probably be released with DirectX 7 anyway... or maybe a pre-release of DX8, so there may have beeen bugs which will now have been fixed. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 29 22:06:46 1999 Message-Id: <199911292102.QAA95532@glitch.crosswinds.net> From: "James R Curry" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 17:02:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: OT: Help.. X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01d) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 541 Lines: 16 Okay, an off topic one here.. Does anyone on this list have, or know of a ping and traceroute program that runs under Windows 3.1. Long story, but needed, and I'm having absolutely no luck finding them. (There's definitely a Ping and Traceroute as part of Demon's Turnpike package, but I'm a few thousand miles from my copy of that, and I guess I'd then be dependant on their dialler anyway). -- James R Curry - James@curry.com "The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!" The OFFICIAL James R Curry Webpage is at http://www.lhutz.demon.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Nov 29 22:42:44 1999 Message-ID: <002001bf3ab9$7d915320$f34e08c3@j4m4p3> From: "David L" To: References: <009f01bf3050$6c5ca0f0$7752c29e@U40404> <001501bf3092$7b6c0b20$0400240a@BADSector> <022901bf3a92$5a4cebd0$7652c29e@U40403> <004301bf3aa8$09a6b420$dd6ff4d1@simcooke3> Subject: Re: Wincoupe Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:31:32 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 437 Lines: 18 ----- Original Message ----- From: Simon Cooke To: Sent: Monday, November 29, 1999 8:26 PM Subject: Re: Wincoupe > Win2K will probably be released with DirectX 7 anyway... or maybe a > pre-release of DX8, so there may have beeen bugs which will now have been > fixed. And new ones to discover? ;) Whats this about the OEM version being shipped as "coded" disks? Any idea? David From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Nov 30 03:09:34 1999 Message-ID: <00ba01bf3ade$17f2c4c0$0400240a@BADSector> From: "Dave Hooper" To: References: <006101bf3228$d13734c0$0400240a@BADSector> <02d201bf3a97$2993d490$7652c29e@U40403> Subject: Re: New WinCoupe alpha test version (Was: Re: Defender) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 02:44:26 -0000 Organization: @ spc MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 2438 Lines: 56 > > Um, er. The *envelopes* can be 3 or 4-bit resolution, like the docs imply. > > However, the VOLUME registers (ie, sound registers 0 thru 5) only provide > > 3-bit resolution when envelopes are enabled (normally they would provide > > 4-bits resolution ... it's as if the SAA has gone thru registers 0 to 5 > and > > ANDed with 0xee before using them, whenever envelopes are enabled). Weird > > biscuits. > > > You must be a 007 agent to explore this. :-) If you sit down and do the math, you actually notice the discrepancies : The Philips data sheet states that, with envelopes enabled and the 'maximum amplitude' envelope selected as active, the real maximum total amplitude generated by the SAA is 7/8ths that normally available. Now, let's say that the envelope controllers work by generating a value between 0 (zero envelope amplitude) and 15 (max envelope amplitude) Now, let's also say that the amplitude controllers (registers 0 thru 5 on the SAA-1099) work by generating a value between 0 (zero amplitude) and 15 (max amplitude). Finally, let's say that the total amplitude equals amplitude register*(envelope amplitude/16) With envelopes disabled, the maximum amplitude is therefore 15 What happens when envelopes are enabled? With the envelope controller set to generate a 'maximum amplitude' envelope (waveform 001) the envelope controller generates an output value of '15' With maximum amplitude register, this also generates an output value of '15' This would suggest that the total amplitude equals 15*(15/16) = 14.0625 But we already KNOW that the maximum total amplitude should be 7/8ths of what the max is withOUT envelopes (i.e., it should be 15 * (7/8ths) = 13.125) You know the rest... 14.0625 is NOT equal to 15*(7/8) But 14*(15/16) [WHERE 14 == 15 AND 0xEE] IS equal to 15*(7/8) I even tried this out using a Sam, a PC with a soundcard, and a copy of Cool Edit 96 to act as an oscilloscope. Whaddaya know, amplitude controller resolution is effectively halved whenever envelopes are in effect. So, despite what you may think, or have been told, audio sample generation on the SAA-1099 is limited to just 3-bit audio. Which is why, generally, it sounds kinda crappy. Because of this, SAASound.dll actually implements full 4-bit audio (full! hah!) because it sounds better. I *dont* think I will put in an option to emulate 3-bit audio ... who would want that? (except purists, I suppose) D a v e From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Nov 30 03:09:34 1999 Message-ID: <00bb01bf3ade$18038da0$0400240a@BADSector> From: "Dave Hooper" To: References: <028101bf3a95$ca8cb3a0$7652c29e@U40403> Subject: Re: Wincoupe bug Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 02:46:07 -0000 Organization: @ spc MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 421 Lines: 13 From: Aley Keprt > > I have seen a music demo on Amiga what played a tune using disk drive. > Really. > Does anyone have a demo like this on Sam? I wrote one, then got scared it might trash my drive. So I didn't run it again. Wasn't very sophisticated, but it made a passable imitation of Jingle Bells (just about). Just a bunch of step commands with different stepping times in a loop. D a v e From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Nov 30 03:09:36 1999 Message-ID: <00bc01bf3ade$180b2ec0$0400240a@BADSector> From: "Dave Hooper" To: References: <000d01bf3794$1aae9600$0400240a@BADSector> <01a301bf3a8c$84086b80$7652c29e@U40403> Subject: Re: SAAEmu 0.61 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 02:52:40 -0000 Organization: @ spc MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1357 Lines: 44 > 1. Credits? No problem. I will do the changes to let you sleep better. Ok. Thanks, > 2. Get a later Word version. No. " I am a poor student " (That excuse used to work anyway. Doesn't actually apply now that I am no longer a student nor poor) > 3. I don't know your web address. Well, you should, because it was in the flipping email that you just replied to! Read it again, paying extra-special attention to the words that said http://www.geocities.com/stripwax/ In fact, you could even just link to http://www.geocities.com/stripwax/saasound.zip * B U T * I cannot guarantee that this will always work (I may change the name of the .zip package, for example, when I release my source code) and so I'd rather you just link to the /stripwax/ Latest version is 2.05 but I will be releasing 2.06 in a day or so. (Found some bugs in - guess what - my envelope controller code. Again. In particular, you may have noticed that the 'single decay' envelope was sounding more like a 'single decay and then a very long loud note' envelope .. :) > 4. Message CPU halt... is by Z80 CPU emulator. I can't say more, since I > have > never got this one. When you ask: Is there a bug? I must say: Yes, it > looks like > a bug. Yes. It does. It never happened before though - have you changed your compilation settings? (e.g., optimisation ?) D a v e From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Nov 30 14:50:15 1999 Message-ID: <383BB1E4.FDA34C11@bonbon.net> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 09:37:40 +0000 From: Martin Fitzpatrick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Sam's worst ever game References: <753866CAB183D211883F0090271F46C20379FDFB@COW> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk id OAA26255 Status: RO Content-Length: 600 Lines: 25 Dan Dooré wrote: > > > OK! Correction. I have pretty much (99.99%) decided that I'm > > wrong. The lady from Tetris is none other than Nastassia Kinski. > > Original image is here: > > > ftp://ftp.nvg.ntnu.no/pub/sam-coupe/graphics/pics/nastassia_from_tetris.jpg > > That's the baby! Really?... Hmm.. I didnt think the other one was the right one at first, but attributed that to adolescent mind meanderings, but out of the two, I recognise the first more... So, where is *she* from?... Some other sam demo perhaps? Fitz -- Email: poohsticks@bonbon.net ICQ#: 11077801 AOL/CServeIM: Flupert From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Nov 30 18:02:22 1999 Message-Id: <001f01bf3b4a$840286c0$6552c29e@U40402> From: "Aley Keprt" To: References: <000d01bf3794$1aae9600$0400240a@BADSector> <01a301bf3a8c$84086b80$7652c29e@U40403> <00bc01bf3ade$180b2ec0$0400240a@BADSector> Subject: Re: SAAEmu 0.61 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 16:49:41 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 660 Lines: 25 > > 1. Credits? No problem. I will do the changes to let you sleep better. > > Ok. Thanks, > > > 2. Get a later Word version. > > No. > " I am a poor student " > (That excuse used to work anyway. Doesn't actually apply now that I am no > longer a student nor poor) As I wrote earlier, you can use Win98's Wordpad. I used Wordpad to write original version of that RTF file. > Yes. > It does. > It never happened before though - have you changed your compilation > settings? (e.g., optimisation ?) This is possible. Look to the size of the files (if you have older versions - you can download 0.60 and 0.61 from my web). Debug files are longer. Aley From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Nov 30 18:02:22 1999 Message-Id: <000b01bf3b4d$2c0a0d00$6552c29e@U40402> From: "Aley Keprt" To: "Sam Users" Subject: WinCoupe: frameskip auto Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 17:08:42 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 976 Lines: 27 I still don't understand why frameskip auto shows higher fps values than frameskip none. When frameskip is on (either 1,2,3,... or auto) it could cause frame skipping. In this case the number of rendered frames is lower. But how can it be higher? It could be possible higher when it render more frames. But how can it render more frames, when it does frame skipping? This is nonsense. I'm affraid that number shown in the window's title bar shows number of frames rendered and skipped together. And that IS nonsense. I must again mention MAME where frameskip 1,2,3,... cause lower fps values, no higher. --- btw. WinCoupe's "about" message says: "SimCoupe - a Sam Coupe' emulator" So is it WinCoupe or SimCoupe? ---------------------------------------------------------------- Bc. Aley [eili] Keprt - student, programmer (multimedia soft. etc.) e-mail: AleyKeprt@bigfoot.com *** http://get.to/aley ---------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Nov 30 18:02:24 1999 Message-Id: <000b01bf3b48$f8323fb0$6552c29e@U40402> From: "Aley Keprt" To: References: <199911291921.OAA15932@glitch.crosswinds.net> Subject: Re: SAAEmu 0.61 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 16:38:37 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 1343 Lines: 31 > > 2. Get a later Word version. > > Hmm, in which case why is it a .RTF file? After all, Rich Text > Format is meant to be a platform and program independant format, so > if your response is to limit the reading of the file to later > versions of Microsoft Word, would it not therefore make more sense to > simply save it in native Word .DOC format? You should understand that I'm not an author of RTF format, so I don't know how and why does it work. I just know that Internet links are present in RTF since Microsoft supports Internet in Windows. That mean both DOC and RTF files have these features. You can use Wordpad to read the RTF, if your Word can't do it. I use RTF because its functionality is 100% the same as DOC's one, and RTF files are 5-8 times shorter than DOC ones, since DOC uses unicode. I don't need unicode when writing English texts. When I write anything which contains @, it is passed as e-mail address. That's it. I didn't know that Dave Hooper can't see this in his Word. What can I do? I just use Word. I don't make commercial software, so I can't test my RTF files on each machine and read line by line to see whether it is okay or not. Do you understand it? I am glad that I have Word, and I don't have the older versions. That's still the same - you blame me for something what is not my fault. Aley Keprt From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Nov 30 19:07:58 1999 Message-ID: <002001bf3b65$ba7aaa00$410bf0d4@chris> From: "Chris White" To: References: <199911282131.QAA42407@glitch.crosswinds.net> Subject: Help Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 19:04:10 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 188 Lines: 13 okay's looks like freeserve didn't like me so could some please swap my email from chris_white@thewhitehouse1600.freeserve.co.uk to chris_white@btinternet.com Cheeersssssssssssss C From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Nov 30 20:39:11 1999 Message-ID: <004a01bf3b71$5ed4a280$0400240a@BADSector> From: "Dave Hooper" To: References: <199911291921.OAA15932@glitch.crosswinds.net> <000b01bf3b48$f8323fb0$6552c29e@U40402> Subject: Re: SAAEmu 0.61 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 20:23:03 -0000 Organization: @ spc MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 3042 Lines: 73 > > Hmm, in which case why is it a .RTF file? After all, Rich Text > > Format is meant to be a platform and program independant format, so > > if your response is to limit the reading of the file to later > > versions of Microsoft Word, would it not therefore make more sense to > > simply save it in native Word .DOC format? > > You should understand that I'm not an author of RTF format, so I don't know > how and > why does it work. I just know that Internet links are present in RTF since > Microsoft > supports Internet in Windows. Yes, by adding customised control codes to the .RTF format and thereby making non-standard extensions to a standardised document format! (Have you not learned about Microsoft yet?) > That mean both DOC and RTF files have these features. Technically only for you. > You can use Wordpad to read the RTF, if your Word can't do it. > I use RTF because its functionality is 100% the same as DOC's one, > and RTF files are 5-8 times shorter than DOC ones, since DOC uses unicode. No, you are wrong. RTF functionality is not 100% the same as DOC functionality. No, really, REALLY. Trust me here. Show me an RTF document that supports revision marking, for example. True, RTF files are 5-8 times smaller than DOC ones. This is because the RTF files have 5-8 times less crap in them. Which in turn is because the RTF format supports 5-8 times fewer features than the DOC format. > I don't need unicode when writing English texts. I take it, therefore, that you don't need to use the international less-than-or-equal-to, greater-than-or-equal-to or not-equal symbols? Or any number of a quite large bunch of useful symbols? > When I write anything which contains @, it is passed as e-mail address. I tried this. I couldn't recreate it at all. I tried creating documents in Word, Wordpad and Notepad and loading them into Word, Wordpad and Notepad. And not once did any of the email addresses I put in the document have the stupid { HYPERLINK mailto:GommerD@interpac.be }codes > That's it. I didn't know that Dave Hooper can't see this in his Word. > What can I do? I just use Word. I don't make commercial software, so I can't > test > my RTF files on each machine and read line by line to see whether it is okay > or not. Do you understand it? I am glad that I have Word, and I don't have > the older > versions. That's still the same - you blame me for something what is not my > fault. You just said yourself that you have (and use) Wordpad. Why not use wordpad to create the .RTF file in the first place? In fact, you could even load the .RTF file into Wordpad, select all, CUT, new document, PASTE, and then resave, to remove any strange control codes like { HYPERLINK } In fact, you can just load the RTF into Wordpad and then re-save it again. When distributing documentation, you should always make sure that whoever is receiving your software is able to actually read that documentation! Standard .RTF format is a safe bet. As in : what Wordpad does. Not : what Word says it does. D a v e From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Nov 30 22:12:35 1999 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 22:11:01 +0000 (GMT) From: "D.A. Fulton" To: Sam Mailing List Subject: Hello Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 896 Lines: 25 Hi Anyone remember me - an occasional poster to this list in the past? I've now started a postgrad course, so I have free internet access for another year (including an IP address for my own machine :) ) so I thought I'd re-sub and see if anyone was still around. So, what's been happenning in the last 6-7 months? Who's still around? BTW are Martin / Maria Rookyard still on? I've just been reading through the archives and realised that I never did receive my Hominrom. The cheque was never cashed, so I'm not fussed, but it could still be persuaded to order another at some point! Dave ---------------------------------------------------------------------- |David A Fulton BSc(Hons) Dunelm | |MPhil in Computer Speech & Natural Language Processing | |Hughes Hall, University of Cambridge | ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Nov 30 22:55:48 1999 Message-ID: <000b01bf3b84$eb34a140$8e0a14ac@internal.sierra.com> From: "Simon Cooke" To: References: <199911291921.OAA15932@glitch.crosswinds.net> <000b01bf3b48$f8323fb0$6552c29e@U40402> <004a01bf3b71$5ed4a280$0400240a@BADSector> Subject: Re: SAAEmu 0.61 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 14:47:41 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 415 Lines: 12 From: "Dave Hooper" > Yes, by adding customised control codes to the .RTF format and thereby > making non-standard extensions to a standardised document format! (Have you > not learned about Microsoft yet?) Umm... given that to my knowledge, Microsoft invented and maintains the RTF format, I think they're authorized to extend it in any way they feel fit. IMNSHO, of course. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Dec 1 03:14:51 1999 Message-ID: <004301bf3baa$06febc60$73a6f5d1@simcooke3> From: "Simon Cooke" To: References: <199911291921.OAA15932@glitch.crosswinds.net> <000b01bf3b48$f8323fb0$6552c29e@U40402> <004a01bf3b71$5ed4a280$0400240a@BADSector> <000b01bf3b84$eb34a140$8e0a14ac@internal.sierra.com> <000501bf3b9e$f69b2ee0$0400240a@BADSector> Subject: Re: SAAEmu 0.61 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 19:13:17 -0800 Organization: Entropy Technology MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO Content-Length: 764 Lines: 21 From: "Dave Hooper" > Ok, I stand corrected. > It's a shame, then, that they didn't make Word forwardly compatible with new > extensions to the RTF format ... they could've just made Word ignore unknown > tags (the { HYPERLINK } tag) rather than spew up Error! Bookmark Not > Defined. > I guess the documentation could easily be published as HTML though. Or even, > hey, raw text. I believe that the hyperlink tag was originally used in the Windows Help system, and in RTF files to indicate a local link in a document. Because the older version of word doesn't recognise http:// tags, it tries to bind the HYPERLINK tag to an anchor in the current document - which it can't find, so it gives you an error instead. Cool, huh? :) Si